From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Thu Feb 1 11:19:02 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:19:02 EST Subject: HW: 2 compilation tape projects In-Reply-To: <310EF2EF@volpegate.dot.gov>; from "Rudich, Robert A" at Jan 31, 96 09:31:00 am Message-ID: > > Recent discussions on the list have given me an idea for a 2nd comp. tape > that might be enjoyable for HW buffs (the 1st is reprised below - a gentle > reminder, Mike). It would be a "blooper" tape that could be called > "Hawkwind Hiccups - Don't Let Dave Catch You With This." We've got the > Reading 86 "Choose Your Masks" and various Hawklords power failure tunes. > I'm sure Bernhard and FoFP can come up with others. This would be the > equivalent of stamp misprints to stamp collectors. All the more enjoyable > for their flaws and rarity. This would be a hard core kollektable that > list members could brag about. The 1st project is the rare "live only " > tracks that has been mentioned before. > > Rudy Well as far as mistakes go,there are a few others that I have on tape:- Stonehenge 83 : intro/coded languages Harvey's microphone "drooped" when he starts the begining of coded and actually says "it drooped chaps it drooped I do admit it". Stonehenge 84 : 2nd show Spirit of the age Nik recites something else cant remember what song though. Slough 84 : Space chase They play the song and it doesn't sound too good,Nik replies something about the first time they have played it in a while. Slough 84 (earth Ritual) : lots It was the first gig on the tour and they didn't get it together social alliance and brainstorm sound pretty bad,they gig did have one redeeming aspect though,they did play green finned demon,but then dropped it until 93?.The tape also has Rick Martinez (drums) on it ,he got kicked off the tour and was replaced by Clive Deamer. I'll have to check my tapes ,there are probably a lot more. regards Marty From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Feb 1 17:50:57 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:50:57 -1000 Subject: BOC: CN (was Re: Big Mistakes) Message-ID: >>>I wish they had only made one such mistake! There are many on BOC-L >>>who would argue that 'Club Ninja' is one big mistake, along with much >>>of 'Revolution by Night! Can you share with us the name of the song >>>left off 'Agents?' Also, why didn't they put it on a subsequent >>>album? Anything after 'Spectres' could have used such a shot in the >>>arm [so to speak] >>>theo >>> >> Hi, >> After seeing a few Club Ninja remarks (all bad) I thought I >> would add my ever non-important $0.02 worth. I thought there >> were some very good songs on the album. Dancin' in the Ruins, >> Perfect Water and Spy in the House of the Night to name a few. >> >> Joel >> >> > >I agree with Joel - and madness to the method was pretty good also. > >Shawn For years I didn't buy CN on the strength of one listen and an instant dislike. I lashed out and bought it recently, and yes, some tracks still irritate me, but I have to say that Buck's guitar work is as good or better than I've heard on most other albums. I guess my ears can now filter out the 'ooga chuggas' etc and appreciate the fine soloing. And there are more good tracks than bad. I have no problem in recommending a listen to anyone. In fact, what I hate most is the title and the cover art - they do nothing for me. I'm still working on RbN. It has some good qualities, too, but it remains the one I like least overall. When it came out, I bought it as a birthday present for a friend. I played it first and was glad I was giving it away. I also bought it again recently, but after an initial thrashing, it's been put away. BTW, I had a similar late introduction to Imaginos. The first time I saw it in the shop I held it up and asked a friend what it was like. He said it was shit so I put it back. It wasn't until I joined boc-l many years later and saw an album poll putting Imaginos as the favourite that I went back and listened to it again. Now I've got it on vinyl and on CD, and is close to being my fave too. Pete. ObCD: Radio Birdman: *Radios Appear* ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From RunIago at AOL.COM Thu Feb 1 00:27:55 1996 From: RunIago at AOL.COM (Edward Hoden) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:27:55 -0500 Subject: The FAQ's ma'am Message-ID: Oh hooray! After the umpteenth attempt I have finally managed to get the BOC FAQ. I just LOVE this fantastic AOL Web Browser (snort). Indeed, indeed, it is well worth the space it takes up on my PC. The hard drive pirouettes merrily whenever I require it to access the file. Reading through it (and realizing this has probably been debated a hundred times but I'm going to bring it up anyway) I decided to put my 2 cents in on the WoT lyrics interpretation. Specifically, what is Salamander Drake? To begin with, what is the song about? IMHO it fits in to the Imaginos saga as the Imaginos struggling against the onrush of modern technology, displacing myth and magic (this could be as Del Rio or as Baron Frankenstein). Seen as this, salamander and drake are seen as part of a mystical formula for the aquisition of power. The power that was Undine. Undine are elemental forces associated with water. By that connection, we can assume that Salamander and Drake are also. Salamanders (in Medeival alchemy) were spirits of fire. Drake could refer to two things, both alchemical in nature. Drake as in mandrake, a root used in magic formulae or Drake as in a wingless dragon. Both of these are associated with the elements of the Earth. Thus we have three of the four elements that compose reality (in ALchemy) present. Using these forces, Imaginos claims one of many things. Saturn could represent Time (as Kronos), power (as Kronos was the first king of the gods), the BOC (as Kronos' symbol represents the Cult) or Air (as in the planet representing space) the fourth elemental force. Do I have to much time on my hands? Later Days. Run Iago From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Thu Feb 1 00:55:48 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:55:48 -0500 Subject: BOC : Aid for Kazakhstan! Message-ID: Rudy & All: >>Hearing someone express this kind of interest, with such extremely >>limited access to the Western media we take so much for granted, >>makes me think it would be a nice gesture by the BOC-L members >>to collectively donate the BOC catalog to our distant brother Boris. >Capital idea, Snowman! I couldn't agree more. I'd be willing to >coordinate something if the list members want to do something for Boris. >Kazakhstan has a climate great for growing certain things for trade. Oh, >people, people, I'm talking citrus fruits, hemp goes strictly for those fine >rugs. Wow, look at the way the light reflects off that amber. I swung by ye olde music store today to pick up a copy of Secret Treaties for good ol' Boris, and found a great deal on the new 'boxed' edition of the first three recordings for only $20.00. Absolutely could not pass it up... To take this into the realm of the supernatural, I'll be seeing the Boys here in Seattle tomorrow night (2/1) & Friday, and I'm going to explain the situation to them, and have them autograph each of the three. This is going to make Boris's decade! I'm having all kinds of fun with this. =) So...in summation, I have sent Boris a CD copy of EACH of the FIRST 3 albums, so he still needs folks to step forward and send him 'Agents', etc... All in the name of furthering International relations, of course... Thanks for the direction on this Al, I can't wait to hear Boris's reaction to receiving these. I feel like Santa Claus... The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Thu Feb 1 00:55:18 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:55:18 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: John: >>I'm willing to bet Bolle can blow me away with the number >>of renditions of 'Last Days Of May' he's probably got on file. >Probably, but you can probably find several good live versions of >this song on several live tapes in circulation, not to mention of >course, *On Your Feet . . .*. But, I find that "Last Days of May" >is best listened to as the studio version -- sure, Buck's solo work >on any number of live cuts is fantastic, but to really get into the >mood of the song (especially as you described that night by the lake), >no live rendition can top the studio version. I most heartily concur. The haunting female backing vocals add an eerie tone to the track, and despite the first albums 'muddy' mix, Buck's guitar work is just this side of perfect. This was, incidentally, the version I was listening to in the 'Last Days Of May' posting that I plopped onto the listserver last night. Do you find yourself singing "What Luck..." when listening to other recordings than the first one? I know I do... >BTW, nice of you to donate a BOC album to Boris. It's a good suggestion >to send this guy stuff -- but anyone who is thinking of doing so should >mention this to the list, so Boris doesn't end up with multiple copies >of the same CD. So far it sounds like he's got *Fire of Unknown >Origin*, *Club Ninja*, and will be getting *Secret Treaties*, along >with Brain Surgeons' material. Add the first two discs to this list. I found the 3 disc 'boxed' set for only $20.00 today, and am going to get Eric, Buck, & possibly Allen to autograph them tomorrow night, then send them off on Friday... Boris is going to crack an awfully big smile... =) The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Thu Feb 1 00:55:22 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:55:22 -0500 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Questions? -> Answers! Message-ID: John: >The size of the FAQ, is approximately 200K, and definitely worth making >space on your hard drive for! ;-) I know. Just having a little fun at the editor's expense... =) >Actually, the next rev (2.1, due out in Feb, assuming "Morning Final" >gets released then as well) will take up about 250K . . . so perhaps >one of these days it WILL be 4 Meg . . . Once you start integrating *.wav files & *.gif or *.jpeg images, it should round out nicely around 4 meg... The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Thu Feb 1 02:13:38 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 02:13:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: CN (was Re: Big Mistakes) Message-ID: Pete: >BTW, I had a similar late introduction to Imaginos. The first time I saw it >in the shop I held it up and asked a friend what it was like. He said it was >shit so I put it back. It wasn't until I joined boc-l many years later and >saw an album poll putting Imaginos as the favourite that I went back and >listened to it again. Now I've got it on vinyl and on CD, and is close to >being my fave too. As I have 'Imaginos' raging away on the Grado's as I read your posting, I felt compelled to jump in on this one... Imaginos is, to one degree or another, the culmination of all those yuears of Sandy & Al's writing. Or so it seems to me, the not-quite neophyte re-immersing himself in the lore after years astray... I would buy anything released by either the 3OC of the present, or by Al, sight unseen, if it bore the word Imaginos anywhere in it's title. I suppose it's B.O.C.'s own angle on 'rock opera'... It 'feels' so much 'larger' in relative scale to the other recordings. I would give a variety of essential body parts to hear the original band perform it amongst themselves, without 'guest musicians'. But I suppose this is a topic long since worn out. Just had to plop myself into position... =) "The clock strikes twelve, and moondrops burst..." The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Thu Feb 1 02:13:19 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 02:13:19 -0500 Subject: And Then Came The Last Days Of May... Message-ID: Theo: >My best 'Last Days' experience came at Rich Stadium [home of >perennial NFL chumps Buffalo Bills] at a concert with BOC headlining, >with Ted Nugent and Lynyrd Skynyrd opening. [This was about 1 week >before the plane crash!] Anyway, at this time, BOC's laser light >show was at its peak [as they say] My group was sufficiently primed >for the experience, and during 'Last Days' they did a laser effect >which somehow made the entire stage appear to be engulfed in tongues >of fire. Buck blazed away in a seemingly endless solo which left >everyone slack-jawed. I've seen many BOC laser shows, but that one >topped them all... Most definitely a powerful memory... I only wish I had been a bit older, so that I might have seen it. By the way, I was almost 14 when I saw the Boys in 1980... The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Thu Feb 1 02:13:50 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 02:13:50 -0500 Subject: And The Gods Listened... Message-ID: Theo: >> There are times in one's life when you realize that you are >> in the presence of greatness... >> Not too many months ago, Carlos Santana made an appearance >> @ The Gorge, a spectacular outdoor amphitheater overlooking the >> mighty Columbia River in central Washington State. I went prepared >> for a wonderful evening, and was not disappointed. There was a point >> near the end of the set, during 'Vive La Vida', when the purity of the >> musical energy being generated & the sheer splendor of the surroundings >> began coalescing into one of the more beautiful moments I have ever had >> the honor to witness. It was as if the Gods Of Music were descending, >> to listen, dance, & take part in this transcendent moment in time... >>The Gods, they danced... >Was this the tour with Jeff Beck opening the show? I saw that >concert up here, fifth row. I'm a big fan of Carlos', but on this >particular night, Jeff totally dusted Carlos. It's hard to compare >the two, and I think a lot of those in attendance would disagree with >my appraisal. I'm admittedly a Jeff Beck fan--much more so than >Carlos, but Jeff was awe-inspiring. All the more in that he hadn't >played the US in over 5 years. For me, THIS was a religious >experience. I am also an enormous Jeff Beck fan, but he did not open for Carlos at the Gorge (summer of 1994). THAT would have been one hell of a show! I wouldn't try to compare them, though. Apples & Oranges, if you will. Jeff is a powerful Blues based British rocker, with alot of Jazz/Fusion incorporated in doses. Carlos Santana is, well, awfully damned uplifting, I must say. His music is charged with a positive energy that electrifies everything... >>My first concert experience was of similar caliber, for one simple, elegant >>reason...Blue Oyster Cult. My first concert was the Seattle stop on the >>Black & Blue tour, outdoors, in Memorial Stadium. I was an impressionable >>13 years old, and took in the surroundings with a genuine sense of awe, not >>knowing what would soon happen to me. A band some of you may remember, >>Riot, opened the show, followed by Molly Hatchet. The break between Molly >>Hatchet & Blue Oyster Cult was a long one, and by the time the 'Subhumans' >>took the stage, the crowd was in a frenzy. It was then that I was inducted >>into the realm of Desdinova. The next hour & a half found me witness to the >>spectacle that was B.O.C.. I am not much for religion, but I would swear that >>the ArchAngels themselves sat atop the Marshalls, as the music penetrated >>everything within the visible spectrum... >> The Gods, they listened... >Snowman, >What a way to be initiated into concert going. My first BOC gig was >just before 'Secret Treaties' came out. And that was true >spiritualism I would have been about nine years old. Who knows where I'd be right now, if I'd seen BOC then... =) The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Thu Feb 1 04:35:06 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:35:06 +0000 Subject: Noise Hype Message-ID: > 1. There is a book written by John Gill, entitled 'Hype!', which > I obviously had to read as it had the tag lines 'sex and drugs and > alcohol' 'the making of a band' and 'a bad trip you can call your own'. > Well it is > a dreadful book, unsure of what it wants to be. I have read this atrocious book too...the best thing (possibly) about it is the front cover... so learn from our mistakes and save your money for some new HW CD's. > 'A DJ had set up his decks in a room off the hall, and was currently > playing early Hawkwind records at near deafening volume', after a while > the journalist says > 'Let's go for a walk. Hawkwind records make me nervous.' Why do people always associate HW with deafening or loud music - I was watching 'The Generation Game'... [well it was on and I hadn't gotten round to switching it off, honest]. The competitors were miming to pop tunes and their partners who were wearing headphones to blank out the music the audience could hear had to guess the artist/song. Jim Davidson, the host said "Don't worry folks they can't hear a thing that's happening in the studio 'coz they're listening to Hawkwind at 9,000 decibels" ... cue audience titter.. Well if all these references to HW at high volume isn't Hype then I don't know what is.. HW are one band that |I can listen to irrespective of volume (the neighbours heave a huge sigh of relief) Maxine The night shall be filled with music And the cares that infest the day mxw at dmu.ac.uk Shall fold their tents like the Arabs http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw/ And as silently steal away. Honda CB250 RS H.W. Longfellow From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Thu Feb 1 04:45:15 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:45:15 +0000 Subject: Leicester 1990 Message-ID: > Did Hawkwind play the track "Hi-Tech Cities" at the Leicester gig on > 5 November 1990? Theoretically they should have done since it appears > on the Italian CD but I haven't got that tape so can't check it myself. I would say not... I jotted down the track list when I got home (yep I attended a HW concert and remained lucid!)and no sign of that track.. Maxine From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Thu Feb 1 04:51:43 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:51:43 GMT Subject: Noise Hype Message-ID: Maxine wrote: > Why do people always associate HW with deafening or loud music - I was > watching 'The Generation Game'... [well it was on and I hadn't gotten round > to switching it off, honest]. The competitors were miming to pop tunes > and their partners who were wearing headphones to blank out the music > the audience could hear had to guess the artist/song. Jim Davidson, the > host said "Don't worry folks they can't hear a thing that's happening in > the studio 'coz they're listening to Hawkwind at 9,000 decibels" ... cue > audience titter.. Ah but look on the positive side of this. Firstly Jim Davidson (or more likely his gag writer) has heard OF Hawkwind, who let's face it are pretty obscure for a band that's been around for 25+ years. And maybe, just maybe, some kid browsing in a record store will see the name and make a spontaneous purchase just because they've heard of the band. (Incidentally this is where all those shoddy rip-off compilations are a *problem*. If said kid buys one of those it could be the last Hawkwind they ever buy) Secondly people associate rock and roll, debauchery and the destruction of the neighbourhood with VOLUME. When anyone free- associates Hawkwind and volume they're thinking that HW are the ultimate expression of rock and roll in Britain today (maybe.... :-) And what's worse HW = volume or HW = a bunch of sad old hippie bastards who would benefit from a spell in the army! Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Thu Feb 1 04:54:32 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:54:32 GMT Subject: OFF: Gong Message-ID: I saw an advert in the paper for a Gong gig in Manchester in April. Can't remember the date though. Is this a one-off or are they touring, and who is in the band, and is it really Gong rather than some variation such as Shapeshifter? Chris From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 1 05:47:41 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:47:41 GMT Subject: HW: Fiction becomes Fact In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:13:00 EST Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > I was reading a very interesting book on cosmology this past weekend that > really struck a chord. Naturally, it discussed black holes and naked > singularities (a black hole without the event horizon to prevent interface). > A naked singularity is a place where physical laws no longer apply and > there could be energy and matter exchange with the known universe. As > "proof" of the feasibility and existence of such a structure, the author > pointed out that a naked singularity may be responsible for starting our > universe. The rationale is that no known application of physical laws could > account for formation, so the start had to occur where current laws don't > apply. I'll preface this by admitting I'm not a phycisist, but wouldn't a vacuum fluctuation serve as a starting point? > How in the world does this apply to HW and why am I posting this drivel? > Have any of you considered what it would be like if you could get sucked > into a black hole or naked singularity and live to experience it? A big *if* given that gravity tides would shred you atom from atom, but anyway.... > As you > may know, the acceleration provided by gravity there is at the speed of > light. Relativistic time dilation takes place and time would stop at light > speed. Thus, as you speed up, your experience would be that of slowing > down No. Your experience of time would remain constant. However, time dilation would mean that time passed asymptotically more slowly outside of your frame of reference. > and eventually stopping as you hit full speed, never to hit the black > core. Unknown. As you say, at that point the laws don't apply. > What is so great is that HW described these things well before the state of > science could explain that they could be real. Well, people like Fritjof Capra (sp?) in "The Tao of Physics" and Gary Zukav in "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" (a much more readable book IMHO) have claimed that eastern mysticism anticipated this stuff thousands of years ago. Personally I'm skeptical but your mileage may vary. Some of Hawking's writing isn't bad either, although I didn't find "A Brief History of Time" particularly informative since it was subject to the "Every equation halves the book sales" Law. > Rudy Yours Quarkily FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 1 05:51:42 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:51:42 GMT Subject: Leicester 1990 In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:45:15 +0000 Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > > Did Hawkwind play the track "Hi-Tech Cities" at the Leicester gig on > > 5 November 1990? Theoretically they should have done since it appears > > on the Italian CD but I haven't got that tape so can't check it myself. > > I would say not... I jotted down the track list when I got home (yep I > attended a HW concert and remained lucid!) Is that legal? > Maxine Mike "I was once sober at a Hawkwind gig, honest" Holmes From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 1 04:52:31 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:52:31 GMT Subject: HW: reissues Message-ID: Hi all, Just read in UK's Record Collector EMI are to re-release the first five UA Hawkwind albums....with extra tracks! Aaargh! No lie, I just upraded four of my poor old vinyl copies just week. Lucky I couldn't find the first HW on CD, eh? That article in full: "Hawkwind fans' shelves are probably already buckling under the weight of countless permutations of the group's catalogue, but what could be more essential than their first five United Artist's albums? These- "Hawkwind" " In Search of Space" "Doremi Fasol Latido" "Space Ritual Alive" and "Hall Of The Mountain Grill" are all due in special Digi-pak editions, complete with scaled down versions of the original artwork, and each boasting extra tracks!" For digi-pak read crap cardboard sleeves, that get dog-eared really quickly. -- Jon Browne From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Thu Feb 1 08:08:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 08:08:00 -0500 Subject: Type O Message-ID: That unreleased track called the Subhuman on the Type O boot CD-R is an old Carnivore tune from their demo 1984 that I have. It is a great tune about 10 minutes, but not the BOC song. SOrry!!! Scott ObCassette: Ijahman- Haile I hymn From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 1 08:18:20 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 08:18:20 EST Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: > I assume this means the song showed up on a later BOC album? Several > tBS tunes were originally written for AoF. > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net Jean, Do you know which tBS tunes were written for Agents? theo From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Thu Feb 1 08:13:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 08:13:00 -0500 Subject: CBS news last night Message-ID: Did any of you see the CBS evening news with Dan Rather? They did a story on FAT. This new hormone called Leptin which causes mice to lose weight when they are obese (it works at a brain center to tell them they are not hungry and they decrease their food intake). Anyway, they showed me for a brief second at the lab bench and then showed my hand loading some tubes for a sucrose gradient. We are trying to purify some plasma membranes to look at the receptor for another hormone in the news called GLP-1. Anyway, I thought it was pretty wierd. They were interviewing my boss at the Harvard med School and then came to the lab and filmed a bit of us. they didn't use the interview with him, but the film of me working...... (I was the guy with the dark pony tail in a purple shirt) Not likely anyone remembers anymore anyway.... Scott ObCassette: Hawkwind- Uxbridge 11/24/78 Sorry for the waste of bandwidth..... From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 1 08:24:16 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 08:24:16 EST Subject: BOC: CN (was Re: Big Mistakes) Message-ID: > Pete: > > >BTW, I had a similar late introduction to Imaginos. The first time I saw it > >in the shop I held it up and asked a friend what it was like. He said it was > >shit so I put it back. It wasn't until I joined boc-l many years later and > >saw an album poll putting Imaginos as the favourite that I went back and > >listened to it again. Now I've got it on vinyl and on CD, and is close to > >being my fave too. > > The Snowman. _?_ > I > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! > 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: > Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm > (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! > (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > With friends like that, who needs Anita Bryant? theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 1 08:32:13 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 08:32:13 -0500 Subject: The FAQ's ma'am Message-ID: Ed speculates on the meaning of "Workshop of the Telescopes" . . . Cool interpretations, Ed. Perhaps if Albert has time he can provide some more insight on this. The real person to ask would be Sandy Pearlman of course, since he composed most of the Imaginos lyrics, while Al was the genius behind most of the music - although I think Al has a pretty good handle on the whole concept, so maybe he can add some insight on these wacky lyrics indeed. John From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Feb 1 08:38:55 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 13:38:55 +0000 Subject: Big Mistakes In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:59:07 EST." <41106065EE9@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: > I wish they had only made one such mistake! There are many on BOC-L > who would argue that 'Club Ninja' is one big mistake, along with much > of 'Revolution by Night! Can you share with us the name of the song > left off 'Agents?' Also, why didn't they put it on a subsequent > album? Anything after 'Spectres' could have used such a shot in the > arm [so to speak] > theo This comment sparked quite a bit of discussion about CN which almost allowed the rest of the paragraph to go unchallenged :) _Surely_ you don't think Cultosaurus or FOUO need a 'shot in the arm' !!! :-0 Explain yourself ! Cheers, Tim From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 1 08:48:12 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 08:48:12 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 17 Jan 1996Mike Watt Agian Message-ID: Adrian queries: >Also John or Al or Deb, radio guy I talked to wanted to know where he could get a promo of the Brain Surgeons. I think John published the address for the "write the mags campaign", but I can't seem to find it. That would be: Cellsum, P.O. Box 1070 Fort George Station New York, N.Y. 10040 John PS: Based on some positive responses I've gotten from some on-line publications over the last few days, Deb and Al might see a few requests in their mailbox over the next few weeks . . . From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 1 08:52:31 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 08:52:31 -0500 Subject: Some of Al's old tunes Message-ID: To answer Theo's question, "Hansel & Gretel", and I believe "If You Come Close" are both old tunes Al wrote circa AOF. He's also indicated that the next Brain Surgeons release will contain one or two more from that period. My guess for the "left out" song was one someone else already mentioned, that being "Fire of Unknown Origin". I originally thought it might have been "Hansel & Gretel", but when the person said the released version was "weaker" than the original, I realized that it couldn't be that one. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 1 09:12:57 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:12:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: A few thoughts on Club Ninja Message-ID: Well, it's open season on *Club Ninja* again, I see. What the hell, I'll throw out some spare change on the discussion . . . IMHO, all BOC albums have some merit, are all listenable, and are all part of the band's rich history. And, most of the albums have at least one or 2 songs which alot of people don't like (e.g. "Debbie Denise" on *Spectres*, or perhaps "Teen Archer" on *Tyranny and Mutation*), but a big problem with *Club Ninja* is that there's too many songs on it which fall into this category. But then, it's kind of funny, because alot of us will agree that there's a few good tunes on it -- but based on what I've seen in the recent posts, over half of the album's songs are listed by one person or another as being a good song. The problem seems to be that there are very few (or maybe no) songs on *Club Ninja* that are liked by nearly everybody -- contrast that with some of BOC's other albums (I'll be 99% of all BOC fans think that songs like "Flaming Telepaths", "Cities on Flame", "The Red and the Black", and "Golden Age of Leather", to name a few, are great songs - maybe not their favorite, but great songs). Also, had *Club Ninja* had a few stronger numbers in it (perhaps "Wings of Mercury" would have strengthend it), we wouldn't think as badly of it. Take, for example, the song "Shooting Shark" - would you have liked the song less if it had been on *Club Ninja*, rather than *Revolution By Night*? It seems to me to fit into the overall sound of *Club Ninja* better, but my guess is that it would have been less liked by BOC fans if it had been on that album, because it is a mellow tune and would have probably made that album even more commercial-sounding than it already was. Hey here's a thought - what if something like "Teen Archer" appeared on *Club Ninja*? I think my point is that the problem with the album in most BOC fans minds is that it doesn't work for them as a "whole" - there are some great moments on the album, but as an entity it doesn't feel like what we know and love as BOC. John (who might be one of the few people that thinks "Beat 'em Up" is a decent song) PS: One more thought -- alot of bands, when their popularity begins to wane, "return to their roots", and get back to the sound and style that made them popular to begin with. Perhaps things might have gone a bit differently for the band had they done this rather than trying to be more "commercial" (I think again what might have happened if *Imaginos* could have been done, and done right, after *The Revolution By Night*, or better yet, after *ETL* . . .). From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Feb 1 09:40:09 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:40:09 -0500 Subject: BOC: A few thoughts on Club Ninja Message-ID: >IMHO, all BOC albums have some merit, are all listenable, and are all >part of the band's rich history. And, most of the albums have at least >one or 2 songs which alot of people don't like (e.g. "Debbie Denise" on >*Spectres*, or perhaps "Teen Archer" on *Tyranny and Mutation*), but You know, after that shooting shark thing on the FAQ, you're gonna kill yourself over this one... Or is there some secret version of Spectres I don't know about? From brendah at MBAY.NET Thu Feb 1 09:38:20 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 06:38:20 -0800 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: Douglas A. Mitchell wrote: > I most heartily concur. The haunting female backing vocals add > an eerie tone to the track, and despite the first albums 'muddy' mix, > Buck's guitar work is just this side of perfect. This was, incidentally, > the version I was listening to in the 'Last Days Of May' posting that I > plopped onto the listserver last night. Do you find yourself singing > "What Luck..." when listening to other recordings than the first one? > I know I do... Yeah, and in "E.T.I." I always add "Pssst - come here" and "Wait! There's more!" > Add the first two discs to this list. I found the 3 disc 'boxed' set for > only $20.00 today, and am going to get Eric, Buck, & possibly Allen > to autograph them tomorrow night, then send them off on Friday... They have a boxed set? Brenda --- []]]]]]]] Brenda Holloway brendah at mbay.net [[[[[[[[] [[ ]]]]]] Sony New Technologies, Monterey, CA [[[[[[ ]] [[[ ]]]] http://www.sonysoft.com/brenda/ [[[[ ]]] [[[[ ]]] http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ [[[ ]]]] [[[[[ ] C Coder. C Coder Run. Run, Coder, Run. [ ]]]]] From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Thu Feb 1 09:38:54 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 08:38:54 CST Subject: HW: Fiction becomes Fact In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:43:47 -0500 from Message-ID: >It deals with a process called Scientific Remote Veiwing. According to the Not to be confused with psychic Remote Veiwers, which have been employed by the CIA and CGB for years? >author the Aliens are here, there and everywhere! Mike Moorcock's multiverse >theory is proven correct as are various HW concepts. A must read for all >serious Hawk fans. You will ask yourself, after reading this book, How the >hell did they know? Also in the "how did they know" department DEVO had a song about DNA in 1976, pretty cool for a no-talent punk band. Another thing, a friend here at work told me Hawkwind got a mention in the Vintage Guitar magazine. I've ask him to bring in the atricle. Doug From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Feb 1 10:00:45 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:00:45 +0000 Subject: BOC: A few thoughts on Club Ninja In-Reply-To: <199602011412.JAA22248@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > Well, it's open season on *Club Ninja* again, I see. What the hell, I'll > throw out some spare change on the discussion . . . > > The problem > seems to be that there are very few (or maybe no) songs on *Club Ninja* > that are liked by nearly everybody -- contrast that with some of BOC's Interestingly, the song "Shadow Warrior" on CN actually began it's life as a "Skooldaze" type of song, all about being a rebel at school. Bolle has the version in its entirety. I think someone may have suggested to the band that they were a tad advancing in years to be doing this kind of number.... D From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Thu Feb 1 09:48:17 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:48:17 EST Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: CN's "uga chaka" was bad, but the album, on balance, was'nt. Some songs on CE (Heavy Metal for ex) were just as pea brained. It's, for some reason, fashionable to bash CN and RBN on this list. They have some real good stuff on both albums. I personally drop CE to the bottom of the ocean. NEver, well rarely, listen to it. RR From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Feb 1 10:04:21 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:04:21 -0500 Subject: Noise Hype Message-ID: >Why do people always associate HW with deafening or loud music - I was >watching 'The Generation Game'... [well it was on and I hadn't gotten round >to switching it off, honest]. The competitors were miming to pop tunes >and their partners who were wearing headphones to blank out the music >the audience could hear had to guess the artist/song. Jim Davidson, the >host said "Don't worry folks they can't hear a thing that's happening in What???????!? What happened to Bruce Forsyth and Anthea Redfern? Things have obviously been going downhill since I left Engalnd. Martyn From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Thu Feb 1 10:00:20 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:00:20 EST Subject: Some of Al's old tunes Message-ID: Just a WAG, but I think maybe Moon Crazy. Im not even sure it was Al who wrote it, but I know I've heard the Del Rio background vocals on Moon Crazy before it was released. And the one I heard was mucho better than the released. Probly way off track on this one. RR From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Feb 1 10:08:01 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:08:01 -0500 Subject: HW: reissues Message-ID: Any info on what the extra tracks may be? Martyn From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Thu Feb 1 09:43:42 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:43:42 EST Subject: BS Fans Energized? Message-ID: The legions of BOC fans mostly are radio listeners , no readers of Rolling Stone, VV, Guitar /Bass player mags, etc. etc. I know that once I mentioned tBS to friends of mine who once were/are BOC fans they were instantly interested. Point is, none of them, nor I, ever spent much time reading that type of stuff. We got our music off the radio and thats where we found out 'bout stuff. I think some people on the list here are more like amatuer musicians and might spend more time reading RS than the main stream BOC fan. I'd offer that many more BOC fans, and therefore potential tBS fans, would'nt bother reading those pubs. If it were on radio, and linked to ex BOC, then I think people take notice. Or maybe, an aticle in Popular Mechanics 'bout Al's Albertron.) RR From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Feb 1 10:14:30 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:14:30 -0500 Subject: CBS news last night Message-ID: >showed me for a brief second at the lab bench and then showed my hand >loading some tubes for a sucrose gradient. We are trying to purify >some plasma membranes to look at the receptor for another hormone in Congratulations on your first network TV appearance. Are you using discontinuous or continuous sucrose density gradients? Is your starting material rat fat pad adipocytes? Yours scientifically Martyn ObHawkwindconnection> It is perfectly good etiquette to attend a Hawkwind concert wearing a lab coat. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 1 10:33:32 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:33:32 -0500 Subject: BOC: A few thoughts on Club Ninja Message-ID: >You know, after that shooting shark thing on the FAQ, you're gonna kill yourself over this one... Oops, yeah ya got me. Of course "Debbie Denise" was on Agents, not Spectres. See, this is the REAL reason I had to do the FAQ - so *I'd* have a handy BOC reference to draw on (and then I go and try and do this stuff from memory . . .). I just can't seem to keep facts in my head always - got to have it down on paper somewhere . . . John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 1 10:38:15 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:38:15 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: Brenda asks: >They have a boxed set? No, what Doug is referring to is the Sony "3-Pack" release of the first 3 albums in a single set -- these are the original 3 albums on CD just packaged together. There's no remastering, extra tracks, or special goodies. The only advantage is that you might be able to pick up the 3 discs for a better price by buying the 3-Pack -- NOTE: not always though. I was at a store recently where the 3-Pack sold for about $22, but they were selling the individual albums for $5.99 a piece. John From bedens at INTELLINET.COM Thu Feb 1 09:58:10 1996 From: bedens at INTELLINET.COM (Tony Stark) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:58:10 -0500 Subject: tBS on the Radio (was Re: BS Fans Energized?) Message-ID: >If it were on radio, and linked to ex BOC, then I think people take >notice. Or maybe, an aticle in Popular Mechanics 'bout Al's Albertron.) >RR Speaking of on the radio, I'm gonna pester our local "new music DJ" to see if he'll play stuff from "Trepanation" once it gets out in the stores... He plays a lot of "modern" rock, but there's a good variety... I think several tBS songs will fit in nicely... That said, have Al or Deb ever mentioned what songs they'd like to promote, or is it just "Any song is better than no song"? Thanks... Bert +-------------------------------------------------+ | Bert Edens - bedens at intellinet.com | | http://www.intellinet.com/~bedens/home.html | +-------------------------------------------------+ | "An old man turned ninety-eight / | | He won the lottery and died the next day / | | It's a black fly in your Chardonnay / | | It's a death row pardon two minutes too late / | | Isn't it ironic... Don't you think?" | | Alanis Morissette, "Ironic" | +-------------------------------------------------+ From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 1 11:08:53 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:08:53 -0500 Subject: HW: 2 compilation tape projects Message-ID: dave sang the first 1/2 of "out of the shadows" w/ no power in his mike at the 1990 show at the ambler cabaret in ambler pensylvania. rj From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Feb 1 11:19:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:19:00 EST Subject: BS: tBS Radio cuts Message-ID: Bert, I'm just a fan, but "Gimme Nothing," "Medusa," and "A Kiss is a Promise" are very good and part of the live set. "A Kiss.." is my favorite of these three. "Stones in my Passway" is another really interesting cut that sounds different enough to really stand out from the rest of the radio traffic. On a local FM station around here I've heard "Language of Love" from the 1st album. Rudy From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Feb 2 12:40:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:40:00 PST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 31 Jan 1996 -Digest Mode On Message-ID: Sorry for the multi-topic post, but when in digest mode..... cha-ching cha-ching $.02 on CN. Not the best or up to BOC standards but it does have some decent songs, most notably Perfect Water. Seems the infusion of outside writers pisses off people the most. Q? Wasn t Club Ninja a contractual obligation as opposed to the bands desire to record new material? FAQ Editor? BTW RBN is a damn fine album, there I admitted it. Snowman, nice Last Days experience. In regards to Boris - Perhaps efforts on Boris s behalf should be coordinated. Send donated CD s to a central address, post donations on the list to avoid duplication and send him one package. Shame I already donated my 76 live CD to another list member (then again wouldn t wish it on too many people). Also consider Endre, a list member, has trouble getting his hands on BOC material. Why not start a BOC/HW CD bank for those who don t live near a Best Buy. Al song that should have been on AOF but was later used although a weaker version.....hmmmm? If Type O Negative did a cover of the classic Subhuman, I hope they did the song justice. Not saying they are a bad band but that song is top three BOC for me. Does anyone know of any conceptual albums (other than Imaginos or Queensryche s Operartion:Mindcrime) released in 1988? A question to ponder: Why can t Bolle be BOC s manager? He seems to have the bands best interest at heart. Also if one were to visit the museum, what beer would be appropriate, Anchor Steam? RR, meeting in five minutes at the usual place. The delay appears to be between u & i. Dr. Music can't hear me either while DB seems to hear all. Go figure. Digests are starting to roll in and I'm still awaiting mechanized missive and verfication of receipt of music inventory. Ciao JD- I am da law Five in the Player: Imaginos - BOC Operation Mindcrime - Queensryche The Regulators - THe Regulators Dogman - King's X Live Chronicles - Hawkwind From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 1 11:33:50 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:33:50 GMT Subject: HW: 2 compilation tape projects In-Reply-To: RJPXR5@aol.com's message of Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:08:53 -0500 Message-ID: I can remember an early evening concert at Stonehenge Festival, probably 1982 or 1983 since the gig was definitely in the back (top) field rather than the side field opposite the Stones where it was held in 1984. Anyway, Nik went into one of his long rants (something about Uncle Sam being on heroin?) and Dave seemed to take exception. After that they couldn't agree what to play next and I believe that they both started on different songs. Anyway, there was a tussle between them onstage and I don't know what happened after that. It was the worst Hawkwind gig I've ever been at and the only one I left. I seem to remember there was a whole lot of hassle at the start too because everyone had been sitting down for the bands before Hawkwind and those still sitting at the back started chanting to get the fans at the front to sit down too. The band tried to persuade folks at the start of the gig, but gave up. Maybe someone who has the tapes will recognise this? OTOH, Stonehenge '81 was a really good gig and we had a laugh with the band after it. Does anyone have a tape of that one? FoFP From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Thu Feb 1 11:39:06 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:39:06 -0600 Subject: OFF: Gong In-Reply-To: Chris Bates "OFF: Gong" (Feb 1, 9:54am) Message-ID: Chris Bates wrote: > I saw an advert in the paper for a Gong gig in Manchester > in April. Can't remember the date though. Is this a one-off > or are they touring, and who is in the band, and is it > really Gong rather than some variation such as Shapeshifter? I have an ad in front of me for a Gong show in Chicago on March 10. The ad say "The original 'classic' GONG line-up, reformed for this gig only". The list of musicians is Daevid Allen, Tim Blake, Mike Howlett, Gill Smyth, Pip Pyle, Steffi Sharpstrings, and Didier Malherbe. The show is at a pretty small club (Cubby Bear) across the street from Wrigley Field. I know I should have been paying more attention before, but can someone *please* give me a quick description of their music. Is this list of players really the original line-up and is that a big deal? Many thanks, Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (708) 576-3110 | fax: (708) 576-3240 I don't practice what I preach, because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to. -- Bob Dobbs. From dellison at VRIFFX.COM Thu Feb 1 11:46:48 1996 From: dellison at VRIFFX.COM (Dave Ellison) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:46:48 -0500 Subject: Help! Message-ID: My hard drive crashed and therfore lost the set of instructions for this list that I received when I first subscribed. Could you please send them to me. (egads, i hope this isn't being broadcast listwide) Thanks very much, Dave Ellison From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Feb 1 11:49:47 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 17:49:47 +0100 Subject: HW: tape query Message-ID: Hello Jill >Did Hawkwind play the track "Hi-Tech Cities" at the Leicester gig on >5 November 1990? Theoretically they should have done since it appears >on the Italian CD but I haven't got that tape so can't check it myself. I am very sure that this track was never played live during a HAWKWIND tour. I have got about 16 tapes from the October/November 1990 tour (including the Leicester tape). But there is no sign of the HI TECH CITIES track. I am again very sure that this is a studio version. Maybe a version of this song was played during one of the AOC gigs in 1988/1989. But it does not appear on the 4 AOC tapes I call my own. Bernhard p.s. Jill, do you like the "CD" ?? From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 1 11:40:32 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:40:32 GMT Subject: gig dates Message-ID: attn Bernhard: In the gigs list you sent me you list Glastonbury '81 as occuring the night before Stonehenge '81. You have these in the wrong order. I'm certain of this because we cycled from one gig to the other that year. FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 1 11:41:51 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:41:51 GMT Subject: gig dates Message-ID: attn Bernhard: In the gigs list you sent me you list Glastonbury '81 as occuring the night before Stonehenge '81. You have these in the wrong order. I'm certain of this because we cycled from one gig to the other that year. FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 1 12:08:11 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:08:11 -0500 Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: Ross says: >CN's "uga chaka" was bad, but the album, on balance, was'nt. Some songs on CE (Heavy Metal for ex) were just as pea brained. It's, for some reason, fashionable to bash CN and RBN on this list. They have some real good stuff on both albums. I personally drop CE to the bottom of the ocean. NEver, well rarely, listen to it. Interesting thoughts (although "Heavy Metal" was on FOUO, not CE). CE is Bolle's favorite album, saying it marked BOC's return to the heavier material (which goes to a little bit about what I was saying before about a band "returning to its roots" when times started to get bad - I think CE's direction was a better one for the band to turn to than CN's). CE is one of BOC's albums that I think maybe half the material is stuff that I like to listen to with BOC's other "classics", while the other half is stuff that is less-than-memorable - like many of CN's tracks. John From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Feb 1 12:20:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:20:00 EST Subject: HW: Gig cycle tour Message-ID: >In the gigs list you sent me you list Glastonbury '81 as occuring the >night before Stonehenge '81. You have these in the wrong order. I'm >certain of this because we cycled from one gig to the other that year. >FoFP Anything like Monty Python's bike tour to Cornwall episode? That got pretty strange and involved hallucinations. You're right about the time dilation affecting the outside observer too. Makes the concept less compelling. Rudy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 1 12:30:43 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:30:43 -0500 Subject: BS Fans Energized? Message-ID: > Point is, none of them, nor I, ever spent much time reading that type of stuff. We got our music off the radio and thats where we found out 'bout stuff. My perception is that that was true in the 70's, but not as applicable in the 90's -- radio is no longer the only music media. Although I do think that alot of paper publications like Creem, Circus, Hit Parader did have alot to do with music of that time - but these publications tended to be a reflection of what was happening, not leading the way. On the other hand, look at a band today like White Zombie (note: I actually know very little about this band) - some of their success has been attributed to MTV's "Beavis and Butthead" exposing them to a wider audience. Note - this is just and example - I'm not suggesting that we need to get the Brain Surgeons on Beavis and Butthead! >I think some people on the list here are more like amatuer musicians and might spend more time reading RS than the main stream BOC fan. I'd offer that many more BOC fans, and therefore potential tBS fans, would'nt bother reading those pubs. Well, that may very well be true -- however, I think that a band like the Brain Surgeons would have an appeal not only to amateur musicians and BOC-L readers, but to the more mainstream rock listeners, and my efforts to see the band further promoted is so that these people as well can be exposed to the band. The Brain Surgeons' stuff is, IMHO, just plain *good music*, and I think it can be appreciated by alot of different listeners -- it isn't my goal (and I doubt its the Brain Surgeons' goal) to see that this music is heard by a select few. I don't know how successful any of these efforts will be, but it's something I enjoy doing, and I have received favorable comments from the band, whom I've gotten to know a little bit. And, certainly where the band is pretty much doing everything (recording, booking, promotion, etc.), I'm trying to be of service in a way that I can -- I can't spend time calling up radio stations to play *Trepanation*, but I can send out LOTS of e-mail to various places suggesting they check the band out - not to mention providing them with additional info like album/concert reviews from myself and others, as well as the band's address. Ross - hope this doesn't sound like I'm criticizing your comments. I am just using this opportunity to more fully explain what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. John (a random "Shakespeare in cyberspace") From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 1 12:35:06 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:35:06 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 31 Jan 1996 -Digest Mode On Message-ID: >Q? Wasn t Club Ninja a contractual obligation as opposed to the bands desire to record new material? FAQ Editor? I don't believe so. Never heard that one before - if anyone knows more, please let me know. >A question to ponder: Why can t Bolle be BOC s manager? I think Bolle would rather be the band's drummer . . . John (who wouldn't mind being the bassist, if only he had the chops, and the looks -- but hey, I've got a *bass*!) From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Feb 1 12:42:03 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:42:03 -0500 Subject: BOC: A few thoughts on Club Ninja Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-01 11:28:21 EST, you write: >Also, had *Club Ninja* had a few stronger numbers in it (perhaps "Wings >of Mercury" would have strengthend it), we wouldn't think as badly of it. >Take, for example, the song "Shooting Shark" - would you have liked the >song less if it had been on *Club Ninja*, rather than *Revolution By >Night*? It seems to me to fit into the overall sound of *Club Ninja* >better, but my guess is that it would have been less liked by BOC fans >if it had been on that album, because it is a mellow tune and would >have probably made that album even more commercial-sounding than it >already was. Hey here's a thought - what if something like "Teen Archer" >appeared on *Club Ninja*? I think any or all of those 3 songs would've strengthened Club Ninja...but they wouldn't've sounded like the songs we know, they would've had that Club Ninja sound to 'em....every BOC album has its own sound, and that's why as a whole CN flopped...even a heavier CN tune like Shadow Warrior lost some weight to accomodate the sound of that album... > >I think my point is that the problem with the album in most BOC fans >minds is that it doesn't work for them as a "whole" - there are some >great moments on the album, but as an entity it doesn't feel like what >we know and love as BOC. as an entity the album is a downright flop...BOC was seeking the commercial success of other lightweight bands and for them it didn't work...this is a period in BOCs history I'd like to forget (see the Rick Dees interview and performance to see a "pretty" BOC!)... > >John (who might be one of the few people that thinks "Beat 'em Up" is >a decent song) > >PS: One more thought -- alot of bands, when their popularity begins to >wane, "return to their roots", and get back to the sound and style that >made them popular to begin with. Perhaps things might have gone a bit >differently for the band had they done this rather than trying to be >more "commercial" (I think again what might have happened if *Imaginos* >could have been done, and done right, after *The Revolution By Night*, >or better yet, after *ETL* . . .). > I think Beat 'Em Up is a stoopid song, lyrically...the music isn't so bad... many bands return to their roots, and this is evident with the "new" material BOC has been playing live...this may support my theory of the control of power in the music biz between band and record co...if you sell records, you can do what you want...if you don't sell, you gotta bend for the record co... ROBO > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 1 12:48:42 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:48:42 -0500 Subject: BS: tBS Radio cuts Message-ID: Well, I'm starting to post far to much for one day, but I also have thought about what Brain Surgeons' songs could/should be played ont the radio these days: Let's start with *Trepanation* since it's most current -- "Gimme Nothin'" would translate very well to radio stations playing alot of the current music, but my pick from this album has to be "My Civilization". It's just so heavy. The only potential negative is that this song doesn't showcase Deb's vocal talent -- I don't mean to imply that there's anything wrong with Albert's vocal (because there isn't, and I really like his vocals on this song), but since Deb handles most of the lead vocals in the band, you definitely want radio stations to also play songs which will feature her vocals. "Medusa", "Sally", and "A Kiss is a Promise" would all be good candidates. >From *Eponymous*, "Language of Love" is a good song, but doesn't leave a new listener with a good understanding of the Brain Surgeons' over- all musical style. The Brain Surgeons aren't mellow (for the most part) - they rock! With that in mind, either my all-time favorite "Name Your Monster" or Carl's all-time favorite "Time Will Take Care of You" fit the bill - also "The Most Romantic Place in the World" and "Soul Jive" are excellent (and feature some really cool bass - which seems to be much more a key element in modern rock than in the 70's and 80's -- I'm not particularly into the Red Hot Chilli Peppers, but the stuff that Flea adds to their sound with his bass work is amazing). One more word about "My Civilization" -- it's already been pre-edited for media consumption! ;-) (who gives a flying *duck* . . .) John From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Thu Feb 1 11:19:22 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:19:22 GMT Subject: HW: reissues Message-ID: Jon wrote: > "Hawkwind fans' shelves are probably already buckling under the weight of > countless permutations of the group's catalogue, but what could be more > essential than their first five United Artist's albums? These- "Hawkwind" " In > Search of Space" "Doremi Fasol Latido" "Space Ritual Alive" and "Hall Of The > Mountain Grill" are all due in special Digi-pak editions, complete with > scaled down versions of the original artwork, and each boasting extra tracks!" A number of questions leap to my mind here. Are these going to be remixed - if they're taking the trouble to add tracks then they ought to remix too. Of course this depends upon the existance/quality of the original multi-track masters (as opposed to the two-track mix-down that they'll master from). I think remixing for CD is essential - it made a big difference to the Zeppelin stuff and also to the King Crimson albums (I think Fripp did those himself). > For digi-pak read crap cardboard sleeves, that get dog-eared really quickly. Yeah, and it's not as if we, the paying customers get a cheaper product as a result. I think that if they're doing the job properly they (EMI) should realise that they will get a lot of one-off sales here. Extra tracks = a premium product which will presumably be marketed as such with a commensurate price hike. Therefore it needs *proper* packaging. Oh, also does anyone know of a projected release date? Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Thu Feb 1 12:07:55 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 17:07:55 GMT Subject: OFF: Gong Message-ID: Frank wrote: > I have an ad in front of me for a Gong show in Chicago on March 10. > The ad say "The original 'classic' GONG line-up, reformed for this gig > only". The list of musicians is Daevid Allen, Tim Blake, Mike > Howlett, Gill Smyth, Pip Pyle, Steffi Sharpstrings, and Didier > Malherbe. The show is at a pretty small club (Cubby Bear) across the > street from Wrigley Field. > > I know I should have been paying more attention before, but can > someone *please* give me a quick description of their music. Is this > list of players really the original line-up and is that a big deal? By NO stretch of the imagination is this the classic Gong. That would replace Steffi Sharpstrings with Steve Hillage on guitar and Pip Pyle w ith Pierre Moerlain behind the drums. The version now touring is the line-up which played at the truly wondrous 25th Birthday party in London last year. BTW the live cd of that show is well worth getting (except for Fat Thoms intro). That line is very good except that Steffi doesn't come close to replacing Steve (I bet he's cheap though :-) The music is space-jazz :-) Kind of trippy jazz, easy listening but with a definite rock edge, Gong are/were unique. And before anyone tries to make the comparison Ozric Tentacles do NOT sound like Gong. Anyway go along - what have you got to lose? BTW at the Birthday Party they said that Moerlain was unable to play because of a contractual obligation to perform Evita in Sweden. Anyone know what this years excuse is? Chris From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 1 13:00:06 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 13:00:06 EST Subject: tBS on the Radio (was Re: BS Fans Energized?) Message-ID: > > Speaking of on the radio, I'm gonna pester our local "new music DJ" to see > if he'll play stuff from "Trepanation" once it gets out in the stores... He > plays a lot of "modern" rock, but there's a good variety... I think several > tBS songs will fit in nicely... > > That said, have Al or Deb ever mentioned what songs they'd like to promote, > or is it just "Any song is better than no song"? > > Thanks... > Bert > Right on, Iron man! theo From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 1 13:04:47 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 13:04:47 -0500 Subject: Some of Al's old tunes Message-ID: And the winner is-- Fire of Unknown Origin. I'll leave it to Albert to tell the story-- unless someone else has beat him to it. From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 1 13:04:41 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 13:04:41 -0500 Subject: BS Fans Energized? Message-ID: Well, your sentiments about radio are very nice, but they have little to do with the current reality of the industry. There is nothing in repeated rotation on the radio that has not been paid-- and paid very heavily-- for. Payola is more insidious than it ever was, because it is now disguised as "promotion." It operates on the college level, too. Oh, you may be able to get a spin or two here or there. But in order to get a record on the radio now-- to be played more than once-- which is the only way people will really remember it-- you must pay enormous amounts for it. The same goes for MTV-- where the promotion takes the form of various ads and giveaways. Of course,every record label wants their stuff on, so these stations have their choice of picking what they will go with. A sensational new book by veteran journalist Bruce Haring (now of USA Today, formerly of Daily Variety and Billboard) called "Off the Charts," which takes up where "Hit Men" left off, to be published by Birch Lane Press on March 1, will explain a lot of this to you. It's pretty horrifying. Then again, given the speial interests that now control, via lobbying, and bribes to politicians ("donations"-- the politician's form of "promotional consideration") most aspects of American life, perhaps it's not such a surprise. In any case, John's suggestions came about as the result of conversations with me regarding what Brain Surgeons fans (or the fans of any other music that is not yet recognized in the larger marketplace) might do. And my suggestions are the result of 25 years in the biz, discussions with other industry people who have tremendous experience developing acts on all levels, press, and so forth. This is what can realistically be done on a grass roots level. The mass audience may very well develop their musical taste via radio-- they also probably developed a similar taste for Cheerios via TV ads and product placement in the supermarket (by the way, everything you see displayed prominently in large record stores, like large book chains, is also paid for-- whether via co-op ads or gratuities dispensed to management--as it is in the supermarket and other wonders of modern retailing. But that is not we are trying to or can expect to accomplish at this point. And remember, Albert has also been through this-- and he built his career the hard, old-fashioned way. There's a lot of talk in the industry right now that many of the current one-hit wonders (those you are hearing repeatedly on the radio or seeing on MTV) will not even have the shelf-life of milk. Some of them (like the kid who benefited from the Bee Girl dancing through his video) will not even live long enough to see their royalty checks (which, by the way, arrive months after the fact, when some other blip is on your screen). John's suggestion is a very good one, and from an artist standpoint, it's one way people can do something meaningful and valuable for something they care about-- other than just consuming it. From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 1 13:04:27 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 13:04:27 -0500 Subject: Noise Hype Message-ID: Think it's just the English version of the same gag/copywriter syndrome that had BOC in American Mercedes Benz commercials... (itself merely an update of the old "I dreamed I did such and such in my Maidenform")... you know, "You used to dream of playing bar chords with Blue Oyster Cult-- now you need a Mercedes".... talk about gagging... DF From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 1 13:07:47 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:07:47 GMT Subject: HW: Gig cycle tour In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:20:00 EST Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > Anything like Monty Python's bike tour to Cornwall episode? That got > pretty strange and involved hallucinations. It was quite a pleasant run really. The band passed us in Brock's car somewhere around Frome. The journey out of Glastonbury was a nightmare. It's a huge hill to get out and it was the hottest day that year. Coupled to that, my girlfriend wanted to cycle to Bristol because it was the nearest train station. No amount of argument concerning maps and contour lines would persuade her to go back to Frome which was off the main line back to Scotland and thus necessitated another connection. The result was that we spent most of the day cycling uphill and tempers were very frayed. > You're right about the time dilation affecting the outside observer too. > Makes the concept less compelling. The only real effect of time dilation would be that the folks in the spacecraft would find on returning to Earth that more time had passed there than they'd experienced (The "Buck Rogers" plotline). It can also have interesting effects on other standard SF plotlines as Haldeman showed in the effects on logistics and soldiers in "The Forever War". Note that if you're gonna read this then you should first read Heinlein's "Starship Troopers". Haldeman, who was a soldier in Vietnam and doesn't share Heinlein's visions of military glory, is said to have written TFW as a kind of antidote to that book. And Calvert noted another possible effect on the beleaguered star traveller in his line "Long dead by the time that I return to Earth". By coincidence there was an article in today's Guardian concerning wormholes. Current theory allows a kind of interstellar underground where spacecraft can enter one singularity and come out of another one at some distance. It seems that someone has worked out that "negative matter" would be necessary at the entry and exit points (because something which can powerfully repel is needed to keep the gates open according to the article). They've also worked out what would happen to the light from a star if one of these came between the Earth and a star: there'd be a double dip in its brightness. As it happens there's already a project underway which watches thousands of stars for brightness fluctuations. They're looking for evidence of dark matter through gravitational lensing of some of it getting in the way of a star (gravity bends light like a lens) and have detected 11 instances of this happening. They've now apparently agreed to also look out for double-dips caused by any jumpgates left around by interstellar civilisations. Nobody's holding their breath though I guess. Anyway, that's the end of today's science bulletin. > Rudy FoFP From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Feb 1 13:42:47 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:42:47 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 31 Jan 1996 -Digest Mode On In-Reply-To: <3111064F@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: > A question to ponder: Why can t Bolle be BOC s manager? He seems to have > the bands best interest at heart. Also if one were to visit the museum, > what beer would be appropriate, Anchor Steam? > Wine, rather than beer, would probably be a better idea. Bolle certainly doesn't drink lager, or indeed any carbonated drink; I'm not sure if bitter falls into this class or not. Anyway, Bolle apparently has some reaction to carbonated drinks that affects his drumming....I'll let him explain it in full when you see him. Dave From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Thu Feb 1 13:48:13 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 13:48:13 EST Subject: BS: tBS Radio cuts Message-ID: In reply to John's radio picks, I have an admittedly small college radio show- 210 watts of Rock 'N' Roll, but I've been playing tBS since Eponomous came out. The tunes I play most often are "Medusa", "My Civilization", "666..." and "Language of Love". At one time or another I've played almost every song though. Even though I say something about the band almost every time I play them, I've gotten little response. On the up side, what response I've gotten has been positive. I'm currently bugging my station to sponsor a BS show as part of a "2 Buck Band" night that were starting this Friday. Hopefully, the station management will be bright enough to give them a try. I've already told them I'd handle the promotion myself. I think at this stage the shows get you the most new fans. Once you're known on the tour circuit, the radio stations are bound to pick you up and increase your fan base even more. I think that the Surgeons are right on the boundary now. Any magazine coverage at this point my just put them over the edge and give them the boost they need. Brian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 1 13:52:47 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:52:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: Wall of Sleep (are extremely cool) Message-ID: Apologies to those who have also seen this on IROCK ... Just got my copies of Bevis Frond's _London Stone_ and Wall of Sleep's eponymous CD. _London Stone_ is very cool, as I expected it would be. I was taking a bit of a chance on Wall of Sleep and it paid off! Wicked band! Kind of like Pink Floyd being molested by (or perhaps mutilated almost beyond recognition by) Black Sabbath and the MC5. Very cool! The sound is on the raw side, as you might expect from Woronzow Records, but it's good--lots of heavy-as-sludge guitars, strange effects, etc. The lads are not the world's greatest vocalists, but you don't really mind that. I recommend people into the somewhat heavier side of psych give this one a go--a very worthwhile addition to the current generation of the English psych scene.. Cheers, Carl From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 1 13:57:13 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:57:13 GMT Subject: HW: 2 compilation tape projects In-Reply-To: Stephen Lindsey's message of Wed, 31 Jan 1996 19:49:10 -0500 Message-ID: > > PS thanks for checking the Images stuff, phewww One less CD to worry about. > > PPS Jill didn't we establish the Hi Tech cities to be a studio track > a while back ? I think I remeber this ? > Ah - can you remember where it came from and when? I've checked it against Agents of Chaos and it's quite different (words - intonation - instruments) so where has it come from? I've also checked tracklists for any Brock demos I've got but there's nothing there either. Seems an odd track to add on at the end if it's not related to Leicester I remember we discussed High Rise at some point. Hi-Tech Cities doesn't come immediately to mind. However..... It also runs into the problem of how (or indeed whether) we should attempt to distinguish what may be studio tracks that have been added to otherwise live albums or indeed live versions that may have been put on studio albums (not so usual I admit but I think there are examples). This kind of detail might well lead into hopelessly obscure complexities. We could certainly start a much more detailed Codex where every track is assigned its likely source (volunteers???). Until then we've just got the broad brush approach to rely on which is calling tracks on a "live" album "live". This may indeed be wrong and if anyone has any really obvious candidates perhaps we should tag them. But for now ... have we got definite proof that Hi-Tech Cities is studio and not taken from (say an Italian) live boot tape? I'm sorta curious now! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 1 14:14:28 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 14:14:28 -0500 Subject: BS: I forgot this one Message-ID: I forgot to mention "Sally" as being a Brain Surgeon tune that Al wrote circa *Agents of Fortune* (along with the previously-mentioned "Hansel & Gretel", and possibly "If You Come Close"). Al mentioned to me once that a few BOC folks tried to sing it, but couldn't give it the emotion it needed. John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 1 13:34:34 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:34:34 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 31 Jan 1996 -Digest Mode On In-Reply-To: <3111064F@houmg001.shl.com> from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Feb 2, 96 09:40:00 am Message-ID: > RBN is a damn fine album, there I admitted it. "Take Me Away" at least, is very cool. My contribution to BOC heresy is actually kinda liking 'Beat 'Em Up' on CN--I don't know why! Cheers, Carl From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 1 15:03:07 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:03:07 EST Subject: BS Fans Energized? Message-ID: > > I think some people on the list here are more like amatuer musicians and > might spend more time reading RS than the main stream BOC fan. > I'd offer that many more BOC fans, and therefore potential tBS fans, > would'nt bother reading those pubs. > > If it were on radio, and linked to ex BOC, then I think people take > notice. Or maybe, an aticle in Popular Mechanics 'bout Al's Albertron.) > > RR RR, Who you callin an amateur, son? If you mean amateur, as in the literal translation, from the Latin 'amo', to love, then no problem. I hang out with a lot of working musicians, and I don't think any of them read RS, at least not on any regular basis. If you think that guitar magazines only have article about how to hot wire a Stratocaster to get all three pickups on at once, then you're mistaken. I never listen to the radio [other than N.P.R.--BTW, there's an interesting idea for Surgeons exposure. Deb, contact Terri Gross at N.P.R. I think she might feature you and Al on 'Fresh Air.] and I get all my impressions on new music from record reviews and interviews with musicians that I read in guitar magazines. I think a plug in 'Guitar World' would do wonders for the Surgeons. theo From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Feb 1 15:05:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:05:00 EST Subject: BS; What about Sally Message-ID: The song "Sally" has intrigued me from the 1st time I heard it live about a month ago. The lyrics are great and raise a question in my mind. The BS version is what really intrigues me since it's sung by Deb. Sally is fooling around, that's clear. But is it sung from a male or female perspective and is Sally messing with another man or woman? The ambiguity of Lola is compounded here. I've listened to the euphemisms and they could go either way (some may be more female). There is one line that seems to tip it towards her messing with a guy. Since it was written in BOC days, it would seem to be from a male perspective, but recent trends and Deb's convincing vocals change that for the BS version. Any thoughts? Rudy From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Feb 1 15:14:16 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:14:16 -0500 Subject: Big Mistakes In-Reply-To: <4195D9E59B1@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Jan 31, 96 04:19:35 pm Message-ID: Ted O. Jackson writes: > > > I won't debate the merits of Club Ninja being one big mistake as it ranks > > DEAD LAST on my BOC list. However, I've always said that it's not a bad > > album, it's just a bad BOC album. You see, my standards are so much higher > > for BOC than for other groups... > > > You said that correctly. 'Ninja would be a great album from any > other band. Really? I have racks of albums by other bands that look stellar by comparison. Just because BOC was a great band for most of its history doesn't make their fingernail clippings into high art. Club Ninja has one truly great song on it - "Perfect Water" - which was still spoiled by some really doltish lyrics ("Do you know Jacques Cousteau? Well I heard on the radio..."). More worthy of Weird Al Yankovik than a Pearlman-produced BOC album. Aside from that, you have "Dancing in the Ruins", which I find uncomfortably descriptive of the state of their career, and "White Flags", which is about as BOCish as a cover of "Rock Me Amadeus". All the rest of the songs sound silly and overwrought. Too many sqeaky synths, a real dearth of intelligent lyrics, and a horrible, "tv jingle" quality to the songwriting are the most obvious, but not the only, offenses. I not only don't like "as a BOC album", I just don't like it at all. Steve From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 1 15:35:49 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 15:35:49 -0500 Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: And the winner is... Fire Of Unknown Origin. My thanks to Bryan for not telling and congratulations to Brian for one HELL of a memory. Also, to John for a correct guess. And Deb for confirming the song. The AOF version of FOUO seemed like it fit right in with the overall feel of AOF. Would have made one more KILLER cut on the album. Of course, what would the later FOUO album been called? R. Hey, Al. What's the story with FOUO? Why was it not used on AOF? And why was it revived later? Inquiring minds want to know... From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 1 15:46:59 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:46:59 +0000 Subject: BS Fans Energized? In-Reply-To: <43018053A6A@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Feb 1, 96 03:03:07 pm Message-ID: > I never listen to the radio > and I get all my impressions on new music from record reviews > and interviews with musicians that I read in guitar magazines. I never listen to the radio either, and never have. I've heard about a few things in guitar mags or other non-mainstream (ie. not Rolling Stone ;) magazines, but otherwise I find out about all my music from the net or by word of mouth (similar, but not identical techniques). Cheers, Carl From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Thu Feb 1 16:15:50 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:15:50 -0500 Subject: Brain: More on New Tunes Message-ID: Edward writes: >Do ya think tBS will ever tour outside the NY area? We're talkin' central >states here. We all really enjoy doing live shows, especially outside of the city but economics restrain us to local and semi-local gigs. We are hoping to make it to the west coast before the year is out. As far as mid-west shows..... we'll get there eventually. Every day brings us more good news but I've been around long enough to take all these things with a grain of salt. Information will become available when it is more certain. In the meantime, thank you for your patience. Al From kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu Feb 1 16:26:37 1996 From: kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM (joel wendrow) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 13:26:37 -0800 Subject: BOC Web Site Message-ID: Joel From brendah at MBAY.NET Thu Feb 1 17:02:17 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 14:02:17 -0800 Subject: Big Mistakes In-Reply-To: <9602011448.AA09658@chili> Message-ID: > CN's "uga chaka" was bad, but the album, on balance, was'nt. Some > songs on CE (Heavy Metal for ex) were just as pea brained. "Heavy Metal: Black and Silver" was on FOUO; and I like it. In fact, I played FOUO just today because it was running through my head! Into the whirlpool where matter vanishes... Gotta love it. > It's, for some reason, fashionable to bash CN and RBN on this list. They > have some real good stuff on both albums. I personally drop CE to the > bottom of the ocean. NEver, well rarely, listen to it. It has "Black Blade" and "The Marshall Plan" on it. And "Unknown Tongue". I can't listen to many of the other songs. Brenda From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 1 05:54:48 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:54:48 GMT Subject: Noise Hype Message-ID: In your message dated Thursday 1, February 1996 you wrote : "Don't worry folks they can't hear a thing that's happening in > the studio 'coz they're listening to Hawkwind at 9,000 decibels" ... cue > audience titter.. > > Well if all these references to HW at high volume isn't Hype then I don't > know what is.. HW are one band that |I can listen to irrespective of > volume (the neighbours heave a huge sigh of relief) > Fair enough & I agree, but at the same time, I've been to Hawkwind gigs off differing volumne and I must admit I prefer the ones which are so loud it blows my hair back, wind tunnel-like ;) I think the quiestest set I saw them do was at the Treworgy Festival about 8 years ago, when (I think) a pre-amp blew (or something) and it was so quiet Here & Now drowned them out from the other end of site. I was in the second or third row and couldn't *quite* hear the band because people were talking! Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. See Our Website: http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Thu Feb 1 16:37:53 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:37:53 EST Subject: Boris / Russia Message-ID: Would somebody re-post Boris' address? From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Feb 1 17:43:20 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 17:43:20 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 31 Jan 1996 -Digest Mode On Message-ID: In a message dated 01/02/96 21:48:10, you write: >>Q? Wasn t Club Ninja a >contractual obligation as opposed to the bands desire to record new >material? FAQ Editor? > > >I don't believe so. Never heard that one before - if anyone knows more, >please let me know. DR said something recently on his AOL folder about "not giving Columbia more than they had to" circa _CN_. I quote: > We never gave Columbia more than we wanted out, and didn't finish stuff that wasn't > going on records. I guess relations were becoming strained even then? Mind you, it's better than _The Revolution by Night_ :) I always think of _C. erectus_ as being an album with absolutely no crap, but lacking that "killer" track that would make it classic. - Andy From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 1 18:11:12 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:11:12 -0500 Subject: BS Fans Energized? Message-ID: >On the other hand, look at a band today like White Zombie (note: I >actually know very little about this band) - some of their success has >been attributed to MTV's "Beavis and Butthead" exposing them to a wider >audience. Note - this is just and example - I'm not suggesting that >we need to get the Brain Surgeons on Beavis and Butthead! Geez, why not? Those two could use a little (lot?) Brain Surgery... R. From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Feb 1 18:58:20 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:58:20 -0700 Subject: KISS REUNION TOUR!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <42958980EC4@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: Some of you may care, and some of you may not. Anyways, here goes..... Kiss will reunite with the original line-up of Gene, Paul, Peter, and Ace and put on the make up for a reunion tour!! It would be cool if BOC were invited to do the special guest spot on the tour. One could only wish, since they were rivals back in the 70's. Buck could STILL blow Ace off the stage anyday!!!!! Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Thu Feb 1 20:09:32 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:09:32 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: >Douglas A. Mitchell wrote: >> I most heartily concur. The haunting female backing vocals add >> an eerie tone to the track, and despite the first albums 'muddy' mix, Those females were Joe an me. Al From Chris.C.O'Neill at APVXC1.PHARMACEUTICALS.ZENECA.TMAILUK.SPRINT.COM Thu Feb 1 18:40:55 1996 From: Chris.C.O'Neill at APVXC1.PHARMACEUTICALS.ZENECA.TMAILUK.SPRINT.COM (Chris O'Neill - ZC&TS (Tel 01625 515603)) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:40:55 -0500 Subject: HW: reissues Message-ID: Oh god, not more HW stuff. Will it never end ? Any idea what the extra tracks are going to be ? Chris O'Neill ------------- Remember - Reality is anything you can get away with. From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Thu Feb 1 22:34:21 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:34:21 -0800 Subject: Big Mistakes In-Reply-To: <199601311921.LAA28765@ix6.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: > Hi, > After seeing a few Club Ninja remarks (all bad) I thought I > would add my ever non-important $0.02 worth. I thought there > were some very good songs on the album. Dancin' in the Ruins, > Perfect Water and Spy in the House of the Night to name a few. > > Joel > I'll definitiely go along with Perfect Water! - Passerby in Timnes Square From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Thu Feb 1 22:38:09 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:38:09 -0500 Subject: NIK: Jackal and Nine Message-ID: ObCD: Anubian Lights, _The Jackal and Nine EP_ The cover of this CD looks like it should have been a Spiral Realms cover, it even has the same flying saucer as _Crystal Jungles of Eos_. 55 minutes is good for an EP. There are seven tracks: bizarre and remixed versions of songs from _The Eternal Sky_, and one live track. I think this is mainly a Len Del Rio effort. On first listen the tracks sounded simply like jarring remixes, but after a few more listens, a strange thing happened and this CD has been on my player continuously for the last few days. If you like _The Eternal Sky_ and wouldn't mind some passages from it twisted into new hypnotic forms, then you should get this. Cleopatra Hypnotic CLEO 9666-2. From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Thu Feb 1 22:50:15 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:50:15 -0800 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 31 Jan 1996 -Digest Mode On In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > RBN is a damn fine album, there I admitted it. > > "Take Me Away" at least, is very cool. My contribution to BOC > heresy is actually kinda liking 'Beat 'Em Up' on CN--I don't know why! > > Cheers, > Carl > Shooting Shark lured me into the true faith of BOC. 'Nuff said! - Passerby From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Feb 1 23:21:57 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 23:21:57 -0500 Subject: almost HW stuff Message-ID: On 31-JAN-1996 05:46:52.7 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >>'A DJ had set up his decks in a room off the hall, and was currently >>playing early Hawkwind records at near deafening volume', after a while >>the journalist says >>'Let's go for a walk. Hawkwind records make me nervous.' >I begin to see things clear now... >Right now testing my 80W loudspeakers on the PC at my office - and in >the CD player it's X In Search... I've been meaning to ask this - Why do some people refer to the album "In Search Of Space" as "X In Search Of Space"?? Chuck `[1;36;41mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Thu Feb 1 23:37:06 1996 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:37:06 -0800 Subject: almost HW stuff In-Reply-To: <01I0PT4310OY9D63CQ@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Feb 1, 96 11:21:57 pm Message-ID: > I've been meaning to ask this - Why do some people refer to the album "In > Search Of Space" as "X In Search Of Space"?? > > Chuck In the title there's an X before In Search Of Space. It's not on the spine of the One Way CDs, but in the picture on the cover, where the title goes around the center part, it's there. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome An effective way to deal with predators is to taste terrible. From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Feb 2 00:04:50 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 00:04:50 -0500 Subject: BOC : Aid for Kazakhstan! Message-ID: On 1-FEB-1996 01:13:42.1 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Rudy & All: >>>Hearing someone express this kind of interest, with such extremely >>>limited access to the Western media we take so much for granted, >>>makes me think it would be a nice gesture by the BOC-L members >>>to collectively donate the BOC catalog to our distant brother Boris. >>Capital idea, Snowman! I couldn't agree more. I'd be willing to >>coordinate something if the list members want to do something for >Boris. >Kazakhstan has a climate great for growing certain things for >trade. Oh, >people, people, I'm talking citrus fruits, hemp goes >strictly for those fine >>rugs. Wow, look at the way the light reflects off that amber. >I swung by ye olde music store today to pick up a copy of Secret >Treaties for good ol' Boris, and found a great deal on the new 'boxed' >edition of the first three recordings for only $20.00. Absolutely >could not pass it up... >To take this into the realm of the supernatural, I'll be seeing the Boys >here in Seattle tomorrow night (2/1) & Friday, and I'm going to explain >the situation to them, and have them autograph each of the three. This >is going to make Boris's decade! I'm having all kinds of fun with >this. =) >So...in summation, I have sent Boris a CD copy of EACH of the FIRST 3 >albums, so he still needs folks to step forward and send him 'Agents', >etc... I don't remember the original note exactly - is Boris only interested in CDs? Because I spotted AoF recently on vinyl for one dollar (and maybe Mirrors, too, or some other BOC record). Chuck `[1;33;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Feb 2 00:04:59 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 00:04:59 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: On 1-FEB-1996 10:15:17.5 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Douglas A. Mitchell wrote: >> I most heartily concur. The haunting female backing vocals add >> an eerie tone to the track, and despite the first albums 'muddy' mix, >> Buck's guitar work is just this side of perfect. This was, >incidentally, > the version I was listening to in the 'Last Days Of >May' posting that I > plopped onto the listserver last night. Do you >find yourself singing > "What Luck..." when listening to other >recordings than the first one? > I know I do... >Yeah, and in "E.T.I." I always add "Pssst - come here" and "Wait! >There's mor e!" And probably the most popular: In "Godzilla" - "yeah-eh-eh". Chuck `[1;34;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Feb 2 03:18:38 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 03:18:38 -0500 Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-01 21:08:46 EST, you write: >The AOF version of FOUO seemed like it fit right in with the overall feel of >AOF. Would have made one more KILLER cut on the album. > >Of course, what would the later FOUO album been called? > >R. > > this is one tune I gotta hear sometime... I think FOUO and AOF are pretty much on the same plain...FOUO is a lil bit more heavier in the keyboards, but otherwise you could probly take both albums and make it a double album... my vote would be "Vengeance" ROBO From RunIago at AOL.COM Fri Feb 2 03:23:35 1996 From: RunIago at AOL.COM (Edward Hoden) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 03:23:35 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 17 Jan 1996Mike Watt Agian Message-ID: Edward Hoden Run Iago RunIago at aol.com Blue Oyster Cult From RunIago at AOL.COM Fri Feb 2 03:23:40 1996 From: RunIago at AOL.COM (Edward Hoden) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 03:23:40 -0500 Subject: BS: tBS Radio cuts Message-ID: Unforunately here in the anal retentive midwest NO ONE has gotten in Trepanation. Great sadness on this end for sure. From Eponymous, nobody has mentioned what was IMHO the most Al-like of the songs, The Most Romantic Place in the World. $0.02 is $0.02. Later Days Run Iago From RunIago at AOL.COM Fri Feb 2 03:23:38 1996 From: RunIago at AOL.COM (Edward Hoden) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 03:23:38 -0500 Subject: BOC in Kazakhstan! Message-ID: Somebody asked to have Boris' address reposted. Boris Ignatov K. Marx St 53/26 Kokchetav 475000 Kazakhstamn C.I.S. Run Iago From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Fri Feb 2 05:45:01 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:45:01 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: I remember who said this one... Mike Holmes said: > don't know what happened after that. It was the worst Hawkwind gig I've > ever been at and the only one I left. This is not only illegal but a sure hanging offence. ;) Maxine The night shall be filled with music And the cares that infest the day mxw at dmu.ac.uk Shall fold their tents like the Arabs http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw/ And as silently steal away. Honda CB250 RS H.W. Longfellow From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Fri Feb 2 05:45:29 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:45:29 +0000 Subject: Noise/Hype Message-ID: sorry I cut'n'pasted from digest mode so I don't know who said: > Ah but look on the positive side of this. Firstly Jim Davidson > (or more likely his gag writer) has heard OF Hawkwind, who let's > face it are pretty obscure for a band that's been around for 25+ > years. I used to believe that too, that they were obscure.. but unfortunately this sort of constant reference to HW indicates that it's not obscurity but that they are merely viewed by the public with distaste. > And maybe, just maybe, some kid browsing in a record store > will see the name and make a spontaneous purchase just because > they've heard of the band. ...and if they heard of the band from some middle aged spread lump of lard features they are _bound_ to dash out and get it.. :( Maxine The night shall be filled with music And the cares that infest the day mxw at dmu.ac.uk Shall fold their tents like the Arabs http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw/ And as silently steal away. Honda CB250 RS H.W. Longfellow From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Fri Feb 2 05:53:58 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 05:53:58 -0500 Subject: BOC: CD's for Kazakhstan Message-ID: To All: The first of hopefully many BOC CD's are ready to head for the distant land of Kazakhstan. I just returned from the first of two Seattle shows, and Eric, Buck, & Danny autographed each of the first three recordings for Boris... I have a feeling Boris is going to burst when he gets these! Oh, and by the way, a GREAT set turned in tonight by the Boys. I've got some goods to post on the show, but it's 2:35 a.m., and I'm going to try to get five hours of sleep in before I head for work, then back tomorrow night for another dose of The Music Of The Gods... Eric told the whole place he was playing Last Days for me! What a night! The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Fri Feb 2 06:00:03 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 06:00:03 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: Al: >>I most heartily concur. The haunting female backing vocals add >>an eerie tone to the track, and despite the first albums 'muddy' mix, >Those females were Joe an me. >Al I've always wondered why the 'backup' singers sounded a little 'butch'... =) The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Feb 2 06:20:48 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 06:20:48 -0500 Subject: Noise/Hype Message-ID: >I used to believe that too, that they were obscure.. but unfortunately >this sort of constant reference to HW indicates that it's not obscurity >but that they are merely viewed by the public with distaste. Yeah, but the press (music and general) has *always* taken the piss out of Hawkwind - e.g. in Pete Frame's _Rock Family Trees_ [1979] he quotes: '"If marijuana doesn't cause extensive brain damage, how come so many people listen to Hakwwind?" - a characteristic jibe from the music press, who tended to regard Hawkwind as a novelty item.' Anyway, they're definitely not loud enough these days :) - Andy From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 2 06:20:50 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:20:50 GMT Subject: Noise Hype In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:54:48 GMT Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > I think the quiestest set I saw them do was at the Treworgy Festival about 8 > years ago, when (I think) a pre-amp blew (or something) and it was so quiet Here > & Now drowned them out from the other end of site. I was in the second or third > row and couldn't *quite* hear the band because people were talking! Stonehenge '84 was really bad for lack of volume too. > Jon Browne FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 2 06:19:23 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:19:23 GMT Subject: Metling Euphoria CD's Message-ID: Just heard Jill's copy of this. It's amazing. Track 5 is like an updated "Damnation Alley". Anyway, was someone here the source for these? I'd like to get that and any other CD's they've done. Cheers FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 2 06:26:49 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:26:49 GMT Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:45:01 +0000 Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > I remember who said this one... Mike Holmes said: > > > don't know what happened after that. It was the worst Hawkwind gig I've > > ever been at and the only one I left. > > This is not only illegal but a sure hanging offence. ;) I wasn't quite myself that evening. Prolly something I ate. Also I after the excellent tour in '82, I was disappointed by Nik's behaviour in turning the band into what someone described as a "Space Circus". Seeing them argue and fight on stage about what to play next just didn't seem as interesting as going for a wander down to look at the Stones at that time. I'm pretty sure they came back on later since I could hear them blasting out "Spirit of the Age" just after Sol rose over the Heelstone. They sounded a lot better at that point. > Maxine FoFP From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Fri Feb 2 06:44:05 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:44:05 GMT Subject: Noise/Hype Message-ID: Maxine wrote: > ...and if they heard of the band from some middle aged spread lump of lard > features they are _bound_ to dash out and get it.. :( Nah, I just meant that sometimes a name sticks in your mind and you buy something because of the name without really knowing why or where you heard it. I do this all the time with books and in fact bought PXR5 when it came out because I'd just read that awful Mike Butterworth book (*Time of the Hawklords* is it - can't remember, must've left my brain at home today!). In fact my life's been downhill ever since :-) Chris From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri Feb 2 12:02:06 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:02:06 U Subject: KISS REUNION TOUR!!!!!!!! Message-ID: >Kiss will reunite with the original line-up of Gene, Paul, Peter, and >Ace and put on the make up for a reunion tour!! Yeah, right. There have been rumours of this happening for years, and they've always been strenuously denied by any source anywhere near the band - including the band themselves. Where did this info come from this time? Call me a sceptic if you will..! :-) Cheers, Rich. ** this. is. not. a. fish? ** From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Feb 2 08:00:22 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:00:22 +0000 Subject: Noise/Hype In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 02 Feb 1996 10:45:29 GMT." Message-ID: > > And maybe, just maybe, some kid browsing in a record store > > will see the name and make a spontaneous purchase just because > > they've heard of the band. > > ...and if they heard of the band from some middle aged spread lump of lard > features they are _bound_ to dash out and get it.. :( Maybe if Noel Gallagher wore a Hawkwind shirt for a gig there'd be a better response ??? :-) Tim "I don't care if he died in a pool of his own vomit, listen to him *play* !" Bill Hicks From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 2 08:03:07 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:03:07 EST Subject: vinyl aid Message-ID: > I don't remember the original note exactly - is Boris only interested in > CDs? Because I spotted AoF recently on vinyl for one dollar (and maybe > Mirrors, too, or some other BOC record). > > Chuck > `[1;33;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive I regularly get ahold of BOC vinyl. Got a copy of 'Secret Treaties' last week in mint condition for 2 bucks [no 'painted' sleeve though] one of 'Spectres' and of 'SEE' all for a couple of bucks each, the latter two looked like new. Decadent capitalism... From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 2 08:34:58 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:34:58 +0000 Subject: Big Mistakes In-Reply-To: from "Brenda Holloway" at Feb 1, 96 02:02:17 pm Message-ID: > > CN's "uga chaka" was bad, but the album, on balance, was'nt. Some > > songs on CE (Heavy Metal for ex) were just as pea brained. > > "Heavy Metal: Black and Silver" was on FOUO; and I like it. In fact, > I played FOUO just today because it was running through my head! > Into the whirlpool > where matter vanishes... > Gotta love it. I gotta stick up for 'Heavy Metal' as well. It was the first BOC song I ever heard (that I knew was BOC when I heard it, that is) and I thought it was great. Weird lyrics, huge guitars, wicked. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 2 08:36:23 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:36:23 +0000 Subject: BS Fans Energized? In-Reply-To: <960201181111_211826261@emout10.mail.aol.com> from "Rocker22@AOL.COM" at Feb 1, 96 06:11:12 pm Message-ID: > >On the other hand, look at a band today like White Zombie (note: I > >actually know very little about this band) - some of their success has > >been attributed to MTV's "Beavis and Butthead" exposing them to a wider > >audience. Note - this is just and example - I'm not suggesting that > >we need to get the Brain Surgeons on Beavis and Butthead! > > Geez, why not? Those two could use a little (lot?) Brain Surgery... Ah, but there you're assuming that B&B would have something to operate _on_ .... ;) Cheers, Carl From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 1 13:15:37 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:15:37 GMT Subject: HW: Fiction becomes Fact Message-ID: In your message dated Thursday 1, February 1996 you wrote : Also in the "how did they know" department DEVO had a song about DNA in > 1976, pretty cool for a no-talent punk band. > That must have been a typo, surely you meant to say "brilliant and visionary punk band" ;-) -- Jon Browne From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 2 08:53:52 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:53:52 -0500 Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: Brenda writes: >"Heavy Metal: Black and Silver" was on FOUO; and I like it. In fact, I played FOUO just today because it was running through my head! Into the whirlpool where matter vanishes... Gotta love it. Yeah, one of my favorites from FOUO - interesting way they came up with the lyrics for that song. Quoting from the FAQ: "The lyrics to the song, "Heavy Metal: The Black And Silver" were inspired by the 1977 book, *The Iron Sun: Crossing The Universe Through Black Holes*, by Adrian Berry. Several of the lyrics to the first verse are derived from chapter titles of the book. The chapters to Part One (Through the Black Hole) are titled as follows: (1) Where Matter Vanishes, (2) The Spinning Gateway, (3) Into the Whirlpool, and (4) The Forbidden Circle. Part Two (The Iron Sun) begins with (1) The Arm of Orion." Brenda also adds regarding CE: >It has "Black Blade" and "The Marshall Plan" on it. And "Unknown Tongue". I can't listen to many of the other songs. My favorites are "Black Blade", "Monsters", "Divine Wind", and "Lips in the Hills". John From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Feb 2 08:54:59 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:54:59 -0500 Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: >CN's "uga chaka" was bad, but the album, on balance, was'nt. Some >songs on CE (Heavy Metal for ex) were just as pea brained. > Hmmm? Oh, Heavy Metal, Black & Silver? That was FoUO. When I first heard it, I instantly hated it. I couldn't stand the Raiders at the time, who had a "Silver and Black" video/song they put out near the same time period. Whether there was a connection, never liked it. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 2 08:52:44 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:52:44 +0000 Subject: Noise/Hype In-Reply-To: from "Maxine Wesley" at Feb 2, 96 10:45:29 am Message-ID: > > Ah but look on the positive side of this. Firstly Jim Davidson > > (or more likely his gag writer) has heard OF Hawkwind, who let's > > face it are pretty obscure for a band that's been around for 25+ > > years. > > I used to believe that too, that they were obscure.. but unfortunately > this sort of constant reference to HW indicates that it's not obscurity > but that they are merely viewed by the public with distaste. Luckily, in the States being a Hawkwind fan is an obscure but sure mark of super-hippness. Strange people in the music world will occasionally mention Hawkwind influences, and journalists reviewing new records will occasionally make cryptic references to the band. > > And maybe, just maybe, some kid browsing in a record store > > will see the name and make a spontaneous purchase just because > > they've heard of the band. > > ...and if they heard of the band from some middle aged spread lump of lard > features they are _bound_ to dash out and get it.. :( Well, _I_ heard the name and the description and went wandering straight out to buy a copy of _HotMG_ :) Cheers, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 2 09:03:03 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:03:03 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 31 Jan 1996 -Digest Mode On Message-ID: Andy writes: >DR said something recently on his AOL folder about "not giving Columbia more than they had to" circa _CN_. I quote: This is interesting, and I might want to put this info in a future revision of the FAQ (although I'm going to wait until I'm sure that BOC and Sony have nothing to do with eachother as far as new albums go before that goes into the FAQ - it would be my dumb luck that someone from Sony would read the FAQ and decide to cancel work on a future BOC box set). Andy also says: > I always think of _C. erectus_ as being an album with absolutely no crap, but lacking that "killer" track that would make it classic. Perhaps this goes back to better support from Columbia? In retrospect, it would seem to me that songs like "Black Blade" or "Lips in the Hills" could have made killer singles -- "The Marshall Plan" is an o.k. song, but never seemed to me to be something that would appeal to the masses. How about "Divine Wind"? Hey, with all the anti-Iran sentiment in this country at the time, this could have become the national anthem! Well, maybe not . . . John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 2 09:08:01 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:08:01 -0500 Subject: KISS REUNION TOUR!!!!!!!! Message-ID: I shouldn't jump into this discussion since it's off-topic, but what the hell. I'm seriously considering checking this tour out if it happens -- KISS was the first band I ever got into (there - I said it - hey, I was in Jr. High from '76-'78, when KISS was at its peak, and the first concert I ever saw was the "Love Gun"/"Alive II" tour -- which I hear is the stage set they plan on using for the reunion). It might be some nostalgic fun to re-live those lost days of my youth ("Flaming youth - will set the world on fire . . ."). Manuel adds: >Buck could STILL blow Ace off the stage anyday!!!!! Buck's one of the best, but Ace is no slouch - no matter what you might think of KISS, Ace Frehley is one helluva guitarist (smoke or no smoke). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 2 09:09:50 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:09:50 -0500 Subject: BS: tBS Radio cuts Message-ID: Ed says: >Unforunately here in the anal retentive midwest NO ONE has gotten in Trepanation. Keep the faith Ed! I believe Deb indicated that *Trepanation* will be released this month (February 13th I think). John From kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Feb 2 09:21:04 1996 From: kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM (joel wendrow) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 06:21:04 -0800 Subject: BOC Web Site Message-ID: Hi, I don't know what happened but my message didn't make it through. All that appeared was my name. I was trying to plug a good web site featuring BOC. The url is http://www.clark.net/pub/mileskb/boc. Check it out. Joel P.S. Check out my picture under "prove it" From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Feb 2 09:28:43 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:28:43 GMT Subject: Noise/Hype Message-ID: > > Luckily, in the States being a Hawkwind fan is an obscure but > sure mark of super-hippness. Strange people in the music world will > occasionally mention Hawkwind influences, and journalists reviewing > new records will occasionally make cryptic references to the band. > Sounds just like the UK, except people laugh at you when you say you're into Hawkwind here. Well, at least they do when I say that. Perhaps they're laughing at me.....uh-oh paranoia!!! bye - Rob PS....I'm not going to the Ramones now....they've sold out apparantly. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 2 09:29:15 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:29:15 -0500 Subject: BS Fans Energized? Message-ID: Carl adds: > >audience. Note - this is just and example - I'm not suggesting that > >we need to get the Brain Surgeons on Beavis and Butthead! > > Geez, why not? Those two could use a little (lot?) Brain Surgery... Ah, but there you're assuming that B&B would have something to operate _on_ .... ;) Well, a trepanation is boring a hole in the skull -- the definition doesn't say anything about assuming there's a brain underneath . . . ;) John From cs0jca at ISIS.SUNDERLAND.AC.UK Fri Feb 2 09:32:49 1996 From: cs0jca at ISIS.SUNDERLAND.AC.UK (John.Cartledge) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:32:49 GMT Subject: HW:Audience Question Message-ID: I was sitting at home last night, unwinding to the strains of California Brainstorm, when a sudden question sprang to mind : Does anyone know what the audience are laughing at in the middle of Out Of The Shadows? Several gales of mirth are evident here, followed by an almighty cheer. Maybe this is one for our US Hawkfans, as some of them may well have been fortunate enough to see them on that particular tour. Also, on the subject of this album (and in the light of previous discussion), I am curious to know if there has been much studio tinkering with the recording a la Palace Springs? It's not a matter of life or death, but inquisitive minds need to know. --- John Hawkwind mentioned on The Generation Game eh? What next, Dave Brock on Noel's House Party! ;-) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Feb 2 09:44:19 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:44:19 -0500 Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: >And the winner is... > >Fire Of Unknown Origin. >The AOF version of FOUO seemed like it fit right in with the overall feel of >AOF. Would have made one more KILLER cut on the album. > >Of course, what would the later FOUO album been called? > Uh.... "Debbie Denise"? I must confess to actually liking...well, not liking, but not minding Debbie Denise on AOF. I like it better than say, True Confessions. I like Allen otherwise and all, but don't let him near a mic. From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Feb 2 09:44:21 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:44:21 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 31 Jan 1996 -Digest Mode On Message-ID: >In a message dated 01/02/96 21:48:10, you write: > >Mind you, it's better than _The Revolution by Night_ :) I always think of >_C. erectus_ as being an album with absolutely no crap, but lacking that >"killer" track that would make it classic. Shows how much HO's can differ. I thought of CE as mostly okay (but not spectacular) but with one truly killer track (Black Blade). From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Feb 2 09:44:26 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew Apold) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:44:26 -0500 Subject: WaveHaven Statistics Message-ID: > * = We got rained out last weekend. People decided to show, but since there > was almost no amtgard activity, and the number who attened was so few, > 2/27/96 as stricken from the tally. Gee, I didn't know Nostradamus was in your chapter... And you know, I'll bet you it does rain February 27th... . From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Fri Feb 2 09:45:39 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:45:39 -0600 Subject: vinyl aid In-Reply-To: <441185E6622@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > > I don't remember the original note exactly - is Boris only interested in > > CDs? Because I spotted AoF recently on vinyl for one dollar (and maybe > > Mirrors, too, or some other BOC record). > > > > Chuck > > `[1;33;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive > I regularly get ahold of BOC vinyl. Got a copy of 'Secret Treaties' > last week in mint condition for 2 bucks [no 'painted' sleeve though] > one of 'Spectres' and of 'SEE' all for a couple of bucks each, the > latter two looked like new. Decadent capitalism... > i've been hitting the flea markets - got "on your feet" on vinyl for 3.00 in near mint condition but my best score lately was at the local thrift store where they were cleaning house of all their records - 10 cents a piece- not just shit either - i got mirrors and agents both in good condition along with some jethro tull, robin trower pink floyd and other goodies - 30 albums in all -i would have got more but i was on my bike- -mike psyche From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Fri Feb 2 09:53:18 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:53:18 EST Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: > I like Allen otherwise and all, but don't let him near a mic. Was that Allen? I ddidn't think he'd sung any, ever. RR From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri Feb 2 14:45:45 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:45:45 U Subject: Noise/Hype Message-ID: > PS....I'm not going to the Ramones now....they've sold out apparantly. Oh bugger. Cheers, Rich. ** this. is. not. a. fish? ** From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Feb 2 10:03:02 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:03:02 -0500 Subject: Big Mistakes In-Reply-To: from "Brenda Holloway" at Feb 1, 96 02:02:17 pm Message-ID: Brenda Holloway writes: > > > It's, for some reason, fashionable to bash CN and RBN on this list. They > > have some real good stuff on both albums. I personally drop CE to the > > bottom of the ocean. NEver, well rarely, listen to it. > > It has "Black Blade" and "The Marshall Plan" on it. And "Unknown Tongue". I > can't listen to many of the other songs. Jeez. "Monsters" is one of my favorite BOC tunes. -Steve (and of course, the "Speak to me in many voices/Make them all sound like one" line from Unknown Tongue has been my Internet signature line since 1989). From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 2 10:04:31 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:04:31 EST Subject: vinyl aid Message-ID: > > I regularly get ahold of BOC vinyl. Got a copy of 'Secret Treaties' > > last week in mint condition for 2 bucks [no 'painted' sleeve though] > > one of 'Spectres' and of 'SEE' all for a couple of bucks each, the > > latter two looked like new. Decadent capitalism... > > > i've been hitting the flea markets - got "on your feet" on vinyl for 3.00 > in near mint condition but my best score lately was at the local thrift > store where they were cleaning house of all their records - 10 cents a > piece- not just shit either - i got mirrors and agents both in good > condition along with some jethro tull, robin trower pink floyd and other > goodies - 30 albums in all -i would have got more but i was on my bike- > -mike psyche Mike, I hear ya, man. The craZiest thing is that these old albums are invariably in beautiful condition. I've gotten so snobbish lately that I only get perfect stuff. Last year a used vinyl place went out of business. I work within walking distance, and every lunch hour during his I tooled over and came home with an armful of vinyl, usually about 50 cents each. If they have a neat cover, I'll buy em for the art, whether I'll ever listen to it or not. If it's a band I like, esp. BOC, I automatically buy em. I've got several copies of just about every BOC album, even though I have most on cd. I really dig collecting vinyl ted From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 2 10:05:58 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:05:58 EST Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: > > > Brenda also adds regarding CE: > > >It has "Black Blade" and "The Marshall Plan" on it. And "Unknown Tongue". I > can't listen to many of the other songs. > > > My favorites are "Black Blade", "Monsters", "Divine Wind", and "Lips in > the Hills". > > > John Esp. like 'Lips.' Haven't BOC been doing that one live lately? theo From Mitch.Goldman at TURNER.COM Fri Feb 2 10:07:36 1996 From: Mitch.Goldman at TURNER.COM (Mitch.Goldman at TURNER.COM) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:07:36 -0500 Subject: Motorhead in Atlanta 1/27 Message-ID: Apologies to those on IROCK who've seen this before... _______________________________________________________ Lemmy and the boys played an *amazing* headline show here at the Masquerade on Saturday night. Now back to a trio format, they really cooked. Phil Campbell's guitar playing was great, very much in the vein of Fast Eddie Clark (lots of bluesy licks and rockabilly mixed in with the shredding). Lemmy's playing was great as well...lots of thick bass chords coming out of his Rickenbacher (and running through wah wah pedals!...now I know how he kept up with the Hawkwind guys!) setlist (12:01-1:27): Ace of Spades Sex and Death I'm So Bad (Baby I don't Care) Over Your Shoulder Metropolis On Your Feet or On Your Knees Stay Clean Liar Burner The Chase is Better than the Catch I Ain't No Nice Guy Born to Raise Hell Nothing Up My Sleeve Orgasmatron Sacrifice Going to Brazil Killed by Death Bomber Encores: Iron Fist Overkill highlights were a spooky "Orgasmatron", a feedback laden "Overkill", and "Killed By Death". Whole show was quite good and consistent from start to end. Only 3 tunes from the new album, though. Lemmy really rocks for a 50 year old...his bass playing was quite impressive throughout the set. Really wished they'd played "No Voices in the Sky" and "Motorhead", but ya can't have everything! Mitch From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 2 10:08:36 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:08:36 EST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 31 Jan 1996 -Digest Mode On Message-ID: > How about "Divine Wind"? Hey, with all the anti-Iran sentiment in this > country at the time, this could have become the national anthem! Well, > maybe not . . . > > John I guess that would have been better in the pre-Sony days, eh? Although the song seems to be skewering America more than Japan. theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 2 10:10:56 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:10:56 +0000 Subject: Noise/Hype In-Reply-To: <9602021428.AA07818@etlxd43v> from "Rob Stuckey" at Feb 2, 96 02:28:43 pm Message-ID: > > Luckily, in the States being a Hawkwind fan is an obscure but > > sure mark of super-hippness. Strange people in the music world will > > occasionally mention Hawkwind influences, and journalists reviewing > > new records will occasionally make cryptic references to the band. > > Sounds just like the UK, except people laugh at you when you > say you're into Hawkwind here. Well, at least they do when I say > that. > Perhaps they're laughing at me.....uh-oh paranoia!!! You just got to brazen it out: "I like Hawkwind--wanna make something of it?" ;) Cheers, Carl From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 2 10:10:51 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:10:51 EST Subject: KISS REUNION TOUR!!!!!!!! Message-ID: > > Manuel adds: > > >Buck could STILL blow Ace off the stage anyday!!!!! > > Buck's one of the best, but Ace is no slouch - no matter what you might > think of KISS, Ace Frehley is one helluva guitarist (smoke or no smoke). > > John I knew Buck Dharma, and Ace is no Buck Dharma! Lloyd Bentsen Austin TX [ret.] From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 2 10:11:52 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:11:52 EST Subject: BS Fans Energized? Message-ID: > Ah, but there you're assuming that B&B would have something > to operate _on_ .... ;) > > > Well, a trepanation is boring a hole in the skull -- the definition > doesn't say anything about assuming there's a brain underneath . . . ;) > > John Anything would be an improvement! From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 2 10:15:34 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:15:34 EST Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: > > I like Allen otherwise and all, but don't let him near a mic. > > Was that Allen? I ddidn't think he'd sung any, ever. > > RR Ross, I'm pretty sure it was, although he sounds a bit like Albert [no offense, Al!] I saw BOC jsut after 'Agents' came out, and Allen sang it live. theo From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Feb 2 10:20:10 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:20:10 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 31 Jan 1996 -Digest Mode On Message-ID: John said, re CE: >Perhaps this goes back to better support from Columbia? In retrospect, >it would seem to me that songs like "Black Blade" or "Lips in the Hills" >could have made killer singles -- "The Marshall Plan" is an o.k. song, >but never seemed to me to be something that would appeal to the masses. >How about "Divine Wind"? Hey, with all the anti-Iran sentiment in this >country at the time, this could have become the national anthem! Well, >maybe not . . . "Fallen Angel" was the single, wasn't it, with "Lips" on the flip? Though it was "Lips" that spent several weeks in the _Sounds_ Heavy Metal chart. "Hungry Boys" was always one of my faves, plus "Monsters" of course (any song about mutiny and gang rape in hyperspace is off to a good start already :)... but I liked BOC, at least in part, *because* they were never going to "appeal to the masses"! - Andy From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri Feb 2 15:07:15 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:07:15 U Subject: HW:Audience Question Message-ID: >Hawkwind mentioned on The Generation Game eh? What next, Dave Brock on Noel's >House Party! ;-) Or Venom on Blind Date? Cheers, Rich. ** this. is. not. a. fish? ** From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Feb 2 10:22:49 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:22:49 -0500 Subject: KISS REUNION TOUR!!!!!!!! Message-ID: didn't kiss get back together recently for some sort of convention of kiss freaks (shades of star trek). A couple got married there in full make-up gotta stop watching these tabloid TV shows Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Feb 2 10:25:53 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:25:53 -0500 Subject: Noise/Hype Message-ID: >bye - Rob > > PS....I'm not going to the Ramones now....they've sold out apparantly. The Ramones have sold out? Say it ain't so, man ;-) From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Feb 2 10:30:10 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:30:10 +0100 Subject: HW: 2 compilation tape projects Message-ID: Hi Mike >OTOH, Stonehenge '81 was a really good gig and we had a laugh with the >band after it. Does anyone have a tape of that one? I've got it, but the quality is not good Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Feb 2 10:30:12 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:30:12 +0100 Subject: gig dates Message-ID: Hello Mike >In the gigs list you sent me you list Glastonbury '81 as occuring the >night before Stonehenge '81. You have these in the wrong order. I'm >certain of this because we cycled from one gig to the other that year. Thanks Mike! Are these the right dates?? STONEHENGE 20.06.1981 GLASTONBURY 21.06.1981 Bernhard From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 2 10:25:35 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:25:35 EST Subject: Motorhead in Atlanta 1/27 Message-ID: > > Apologies to those on IROCK who've seen this before... > _______________________________________________________ > > Lemmy and the boys played an *amazing* headline show here at the > Masquerade on Saturday night. Now back to a trio format, they really > cooked. Phil Campbell's guitar playing was great, very much in the > vein of Fast Eddie Clark (lots of bluesy licks and rockabilly mixed in > with the shredding). Lemmy's playing was great as well...lots of thick > bass chords coming out of his Rickenbacher (and running through wah > wah pedals!...now I know how he kept up with the Hawkwind guys!) > > > setlist (12:01-1:27): > > Ace of Spades > Sex and Death > I'm So Bad (Baby I don't Care) > Over Your Shoulder > Metropolis > On Your Feet or On Your Knees > Stay Clean > Liar > Burner > The Chase is Better than the Catch > I Ain't No Nice Guy > Born to Raise Hell > Nothing Up My Sleeve > Orgasmatron > Sacrifice > Going to Brazil > Killed by Death > Bomber > > Encores: > > Iron Fist > Overkill > > highlights were a spooky "Orgasmatron", a feedback laden "Overkill", > and "Killed By Death". Whole show was quite good and consistent from > start to end. Only 3 tunes from the new album, though. Lemmy really > rocks for a 50 year old...his bass playing was quite impressive > throughout the set. > > Really wished they'd played "No Voices in the Sky" and "Motorhead", > but ya can't have everything! > > Mitch Mitch, How big a venue was this? I saw them as part of 'Operation Rock and Roll' with Judas Priest headlining. That would have been around '90- 91 somewhere in there. It was a huge outdoor show, and Motorhead damn near stole the show. theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 2 10:32:02 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:32:02 +0000 Subject: KISS REUNION TOUR!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <199602021408.JAA15447@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Feb 2, 96 09:08:01 am Message-ID: > >Buck could STILL blow Ace off the stage anyday!!!!! > > Buck's one of the best, but Ace is no slouch - no matter what you might > think of KISS, Ace Frehley is one helluva guitarist (smoke or no smoke). Gee, I wonder what Tania will make of this ... Ace and Buck are her two faves! ;) :) Cheers, Carl From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri Feb 2 15:24:55 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:24:55 U Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: > Esp. like 'Lips.' Haven't BOC been doing that one live lately? > theo They did it in London in December... Cheers, Rich. ** this. is. not. a. fish? ** From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Feb 2 10:52:30 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:52:30 -0500 Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: > Esp. like 'Lips.' Haven't BOC been doing that one live lately? > theo Yep. Killer tune live. They did it at Jax, most of FL... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Feb 2 10:54:09 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:54:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gong US tour dates In-Reply-To: <310F4332@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Jan 31, 96 03:13:00 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks: Just thought I'd pass this list along...as with HW, things are likely to change at the last minute, so always confirm if you're travelling.... This should be a fun show I should think...now, I'm not so upset at missing the 25th reunion thing across the pond. Anyway, here are the tentative dates.... Tour Dates: all in March 1996 1, 2 Quebec 3rd Boston - Johnny D's (tentative - call to encourage them!) 4th New Haven - Toad's (tentative, let em know you care!) 5th NYC - Bottom Line 6th (maybe another NYC show) 7th Washington DC - Birchmeer 8th Baltimore MD 8x10 9th Cleveland - Agora 10th Chicago Cubby Bear 11th Milwaukie 13th Kansas City Missouri The Drum Room 15th Denver The Mercury Cafe 16th Seattle Backstage 17th Portland Oregon Burbellies 18th Ashland OR (tentative) 19th San Francisco - Great American Music Hall 20th Los Angeles Luna Park end of tour See ya' there....at least in Cleveland...Keith H. From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Feb 2 11:02:52 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:02:52 -0500 Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: >> I like Allen otherwise and all, but don't let him near a mic. > >Was that Allen? I ddidn't think he'd sung any, ever. > Hope John won't mind a snip from the FAQ... >Lanier (keyboards, vocals, guitar, bass), Patti Smith (vocal on "The >Revenge of Vera Gemini"). According to Albert Bouchard, the lead vocal >on "True Confessions" is Allen Lanier -- his only lead vocal on all of >BOC's albums. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Fri Feb 2 11:10:44 1996 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:10:44 -0600 Subject: KISS REUNION TOUR!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <199602021408.JAA15447@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Feb 2, 96 09:08:01 am Message-ID: > think of KISS, Ace Frehley is one helluva guitarist (smoke or no smoke). Except when he's stinking drunk. Bolle showed me a video of Ace playing with The Red & The Black (aka RonDonJon) at a guitar convention in the Northeast somewhere (late 80's?), and Ace was obviously soused... It was very sad and his playing seemed a bit embarrassing to me... And he was slovenly fat and wearing SPANDEX for god's sake. So it wasn't just the playing that was embarrassing... Hope he's doing better these days; I didn't get much out of the unplugged Kiss thing, but I'd still go see a reunion tour, to laugh at Paul Stanley forget the lyrics to Rock and Roll All Nite (as I saw him do in Atlanta many years ago) if nothing else... And hopefully to hear Parasite and Rocket Ride... -Bryan From eqshw.blauchno at STATE.UT.US Fri Feb 2 11:11:59 1996 From: eqshw.blauchno at STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:11:59 -0700 Subject: OFF:B&B and trepanation... Message-ID: Ah, but there you're assuming that B&B would have something to operate _on_ .... ;) Well, a trepanation is boring a hole in the skull -- the definition doesn't say anything about assuming there's a brain underneath . . . ;) John >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> O.K. John, they had enough trouble with "FIRE, FIRE" lets not get them going on the "Hey Butthead, ummmm, like, lets drill a hole in our skulls or something". Every head injury in the U.S. will get blamed on B&B! :) Brad L. From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Fri Feb 2 10:53:22 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:53:22 EST Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: >I'm pretty sure it was, although he sounds a bit like Albert [no >offense, Al!] I saw BOC jsut after 'Agents' came out, and Allen sang > it live. Yea, I didn't want to say it either. I knew it couldn't be Eric or Buck, N likely not Joe. I really didn't think it was that bad. He (Allen ) should a tried another one. Maybe, he just didn't like that end of it (i.e. singing). RR From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 2 11:12:20 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:12:20 EST Subject: All the Aces Message-ID: An appeal to HW/Lemmy experts out there. I just got 'The Best of Motorhead--All the Aces' a two-disc set. Well, not exactly. One disc is called 'The Muggers Tapes.'Supposedly, it was recorded in '78. The other disc is a compilation of 'Motorhead' tunes spanning from 'Bomber' to 'Orgasmatron.' Is this a re-mastering of old hits, or just an as-is compilation? From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 2 05:24:17 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:24:17 GMT Subject: OFF: Gong Message-ID: In your message dated Thursday 1, February 1996 you wrote : > > I have an ad in front of me for a Gong show in Chicago on March 10. > The ad say "The original 'classic' GONG line-up, reformed for this gig > only". The list of musicians is Daevid Allen, Tim Blake, Mike > Howlett, Gill Smyth, Pip Pyle, Steffi Sharpstrings, and Didier > Malherbe. The show is at a pretty small club (Cubby Bear) across the > street from Wrigley Field. > > I know I should have been paying more attention before, but can > someone *please* give me a quick description of their music. Is this > list of players really the original line-up and is that a big deal? > > Many thanks, > Frank It's close enough. Steffi's Here & Now's guitarist really. The "classic" line-up guitarist is Steve Hillage, but Steve's moved on and does his own thing with System 7 and produces #1 L.P.'s like the new Charlatans offering. Gong aren't a million miles from Hawkwind, but more jazz influences. Also the subject matter is usually something about "pot-head pixies riding round in tea-pot taxis etc." Unmissable, really. Oh and *very* psychedelic. ;-> Jon Browne From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 2 11:37:39 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:37:39 EST Subject: dried ace Message-ID: > > > think of KISS, Ace Frehley is one helluva guitarist (smoke or no smoke). > > Except when he's stinking drunk. Bolle showed me a video of Ace playing > with The Red & The Black (aka RonDonJon) at a guitar convention in the > Northeast somewhere (late 80's?), and Ace was obviously soused... It was very > sad and his playing seemed a bit embarrassing to me... And he was slovenly > fat and wearing SPANDEX for god's sake. So it wasn't just the playing > that was embarrassing... > > Hope he's doing better these days; I didn't get much out of the unplugged > Kiss thing, but I'd still go see a reunion tour, to laugh at Paul Stanley > forget the lyrics to Rock and Roll All Nite (as I saw him do in Atlanta > many years ago) if nothing else... > > And hopefully to hear Parasite and Rocket Ride... > > > -Bryan There was a feature story on Ace in 'Guitar World' a while back, and he claimed to have been dried out for several years. Don't know if he's had a relapse, but I think he's still okay theo From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Feb 2 11:56:09 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:56:09 -0500 Subject: BOC - 1/25/96 in Santa Cruz Message-ID: >>Douglas A. Mitchell wrote: > >>> I most heartily concur. The haunting female backing vocals add >>> an eerie tone to the track, and despite the first albums 'muddy' mix, > > Those females were Joe an me. >Al Well, Doug. Looks like hoof-in-mouth has struck again! ;-) R. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Feb 2 11:56:12 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:56:12 -0500 Subject: Tape Aid Message-ID: If Boris can play cassettes, I could dub a few live shows and send them to him... Please let me know. R. From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Sat Feb 3 13:35:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 10:35:00 PST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 31 Jan 1996 to 1 Feb 1996/Snowman? Message-ID: Snowman writes: >It 'feels' so much 'larger' in relative scale to the other recordings. >I would give a variety of essential body parts to hear the original >band perform it amongst themselves, without 'guest musicians'. >But I suppose this is a topic long since worn out. Just had to >plop myself into position... =) Not sure it would be the same with five guys trying to play so much music. They would have to have a lot of tape in the background. I'd prefer to see it as well as hear it. Like Hawkwinds Chronicles put it on stage. The other part of the equation is that Al would have top be part of the picture to make this work. >Was this the tour with Jeff Beck opening the show? I saw that >concert up here, fifth row. I'm a big fan of Carlos', but on this >particular night, Jeff totally dusted Carlos. July 31, 1995, opposite results. Bigger Beck fan the Carlos (only slightly though) but Carlos dusted Beck down here. >I am also an enormous Jeff Beck fan, but he did not open for Carlos >at the Gorge (summer of 1994). THAT would have been one hell of a >show! Bummer. Best show of the summer. One drawback was that Beck opened and Carlos invited Jeff to join him. Beck wouldn't for some reason. Though at the second (8/1) show local boy Nils Lofgren jammed with Carlos. Always go to the second show. "Spread the Disease" AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Sat Feb 3 13:50:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 10:50:00 PST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 1 Feb 1996 to 2 Feb 1996/More Digest stuff Message-ID: > > Note - this is just and example - I'm not suggesting that >we need to get the Brain Surgeons on Beavis and Butthead! >Geez, why not? Those two could use a little (lot?) Brain Surgery... >R. Trep them both. Would make a great special on MTV. Beavis & Butthead host the world premier of the Brain Surgeons. At the end Al & Deb can appear as cartoons and perform involuntary trepanations on those two clowns. ============================================================== >Some of you may care, and some of you may not. Anyways, here goes..... I care a little. >Kiss will reunite with the original line-up of Gene, Paul, Peter, and >Ace and put on the make up for a reunion tour!! >Might be worth seeing the flame throwers and stuff again. "Strutter.... >It would be cool if BOC were invited to do the special guest spot on the >tour. One could only wish, since they were rivals back in the 70's. Naw they would steal the limelight. They were better than Kiss then and there is no comparison now. Kiss would probably talk about it but after seeing a rehearsal would change their minds and opt for Bad Company. >Buck could STILL blow Ace off the stage anyday!!!!! Yeah but thats true about a lot of guys pretending to play the geetar nowadays. Watching Kiss unplugged Ace isn't as good as the guy who replaced him. Would love to see Pete Criss do his 100,000 year solo though. >Douglas A. Mitchell wrote: >> I most heartily concur. The haunting female backing vocals add >> an eerie tone to the track, and despite the first albums 'muddy' mix, > Those females were Joe an me. >Al The Bouchard brothers can sing like girls? Too much. Always thought your vocals were soulful AL but would never describe them as girlie. Quick question about Joe, does he lift weights or is he just naturally big? How easily he hoist Buck (Wott), Buck is rather small but Joe lifts him like a two year old. "Spreading the Disease" AB From eqshw.blauchno at STATE.UT.US Fri Feb 2 11:32:26 1996 From: eqshw.blauchno at STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:32:26 -0700 Subject: CE, FOUO, AOF Message-ID: I have to confess... I really kinda like Deb, Denise (Ahhh that feels better). I also like EVERYTHING on CE. Just another flavor of BOC. For that matter I like EVERYTHING on FOUO. I even like most of CN. I love RBN with the single exception of "Light Years of Love", this song is the absolute worst of all time. (Didn't John confess to liking this?? Oh well no more copies of the FAQ for me ;) ). I put "Beat em Up" higher than LYOL. Brad L. From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Feb 2 12:40:59 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:40:59 +0100 Subject: HW:Audience Question Message-ID: Hello >Does anyone know what the audience are laughing at in the middle of Out Of The >Shadows? Several gales of mirth are evident here, followed by an almighty >cheer. I am sure that this was not the original audience but the shouting from a tape which Harvey or Dave played at this moment Bernhard From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 2 05:14:07 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:14:07 GMT Subject: CBS news last night Message-ID: In your message dated Thursday 1, February 1996 you wrote : >> Martyn > > ObHawkwindconnection> It is perfectly good etiquette to attend a > Hawkwind concert wearing a lab coat. > postitively de rigeur! -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. See Our Website: http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 2 05:13:12 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:13:12 GMT Subject: HW: reissues Message-ID: In your message dated Thursday 1, February 1996 you wrote : > Any info on what the extra tracks may be? > > Martyn > Not yet, but I've amte at EMI who I'm seeing today. I'll see if he can find out. I'll keep you posted. -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. See Our Website: http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 2 13:39:39 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:39:39 GMT Subject: HW:Audience Question In-Reply-To: John.Cartledge's message of Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:32:49 GMT Message-ID: John Cartledge wrote: > > I was sitting at home last night, unwinding to the strains of California > > Brainstorm, when a sudden question sprang to mind : > > > > Does anyone know what the audience are laughing at in the middle of Out Of The > > Shadows? Several gales of mirth are evident here, followed by an almighty > > cheer. > > > > Maybe this is one for our US Hawkfans, as some of them may well have been > > fortunate enough to see them on that particular tour. Bernard replied: > I am sure that this was not the original audience but the shouting from a > tape which Harvey or Dave played at this moment Yeah - this must be so since I asked the same question once and got a reply from someone who was in the audience that they didn't remember anything like that happening at all during the show! Wierd, really, why they bother to put in audience participation sounds that are not only over-exaggerated but not even true! Reminds me of the story I heard long, long, ago when some rock band bloke was being interviewed on Radio 1 about a live album they had just put out. He went on about what a great album it was and how they had used only the original audience sound and then continued obliquely to say - unlike some other fairly well known band that had recorded a live album and then completely re-recorded it using enhanced audience reaction sounds because they weren't obvious enough. I've never known who he was referring to but still keep wondering since there weren't *that* many bands around at the time he said this. > Hawkwind mentioned on The Generation Game eh? What next, Dave Brock on Noel's > House Party! ;-) > How about: "Dave Brock.......... This Is Your Life!" I wonder what would happen next? Yours quizzically jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 2 13:44:51 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:44:51 +0000 Subject: HW:Audience Question In-Reply-To: <199602021740.SAA27219@exit.ruhr.de> from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Feb 2, 96 06:40:59 pm Message-ID: >>Does anyone know what the audience are laughing at in the middle of Out Of The >>Shadows? Several gales of mirth are evident here, followed by an almighty >>cheer. > I am sure that this was not the original audience but the shouting from a > tape which Harvey or Dave played at this moment I think this questino has gone around before, and that was the answer last time. Scott Heller was at this gig, and can confirm this I believe ... Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 2 13:46:14 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:46:14 +0000 Subject: KISS REUNION TOUR!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <9602021610.AA29084@crux.astr.ua.edu> from "Bryan Irby" at Feb 2, 96 10:10:44 am Message-ID: > > think of KISS, Ace Frehley is one helluva guitarist (smoke or no smoke). > > Except when he's stinking drunk. Bolle showed me a video of Ace playing > with The Red & The Black (aka RonDonJon) at a guitar convention in the > Northeast somewhere (late 80's?), and Ace was obviously soused... > Hope he's doing better these days I read an interview in a guitar mag last year in which he claims to have cleaned up ... Cheers, Carl From RunIago at AOL.COM Fri Feb 2 13:51:24 1996 From: RunIago at AOL.COM (Edward Hoden) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:51:24 -0500 Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: A long way have we spun from the Big Mistakes (if you think they are such). But CE is wired from one end to the other. The only songs you all have left off are all rockin' tunes, Hungry Boys, Deadline, etc. HMMMMM, maybe Bolle is right... Run Iago From RunIago at AOL.COM Fri Feb 2 13:51:30 1996 From: RunIago at AOL.COM (Edward Hoden) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:51:30 -0500 Subject: BS: tBS Radio cuts Message-ID: >Deb indicated Trepanation will be released Feb. 13 HOTS DOGS!! After hearing everyon yammer about these killer tunes I have been ssssalivating profusely at the opportunity of getting Trepanation. On the topic, got off the horn last evening with a friend who has the good fortune to live within striking distance of NY and he promised to act as proxy for me at a BS show and acquire goodies there for me. Keepin' the Faith Run Iago From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 2 10:45:31 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:45:31 GMT Subject: HW reissues latest (LONG) Message-ID: Spilling out of my fax machine even as we speak.... "Hawkwind" Release date March 25th 1996 Cat No. Hawks 1 1) Hurry On Sundown 2) The Reason Is? 3) Be Yourself-- 4) Paranoia Part 1 5) Paranioa Part 2 6) Seeing It As You Really Are 7) Mirror Of Illusion 8) Bring It on Home 9) Hurry On Sundown 10) Kiss Of The Velvet whip 11) Cymbaline "Digitally Remaster at Abby Road Studios by Paul Cobbold - Hawkwind's current engineer" "4 extra tracks of which 3 are unreleased"....erm? "Elaborate fold-out digi-pak package reflecting the original album's artwork" I'm holding a photo of these and I take back what I said. They've really spent some money on these and they look *beautiful*! "In Search Of Space" 1) You Shouldn't Do That 2) You Know You're Only Dreaming 3) Master of The Universe 4) We Took The Wrong Step Years Ago 5) Adjust Me 6) Children Of The Sun 7) Silver Machine 8) Seven By Seven 9) Born To Go "Contains 3 extra tracks including the original Silver Machine coupling and single edit of Born To Go from "Greasy Trucker's Party" "Elaborate packaging includes digi-pack with slipcase containing 24 page "Hawklog". The packaging reflects the original artwork of the album" "Space Ritual" Three extra tracks at end 1) You Shouldn't Do That 2) Master Of The Universe 3) Born To Go "Disc One has been mastered to give continuous play" "Contains three extra tracks including two tracks from Greasy Trucker's Party" "Elaborate packing including fold-out double digipak with fold down 12 page booklet and 24 page booklet. The artwork reflects that of the original album" "Running Time 115 mins approx" (From 86:55 Jon) "Doremi Fasol Latido" extras are 1) Brainbox Pollution 2) Urban Guerilla 3) Lord Of Light 4) Ejection "Includes 4 extra tracks including a German remix edit of "Lord Of Light" and previously unreleased Hawkwind version of Rob Calvert's Ejection" "Elaborate packaging includes fold-out digi-pack which reflects the original artwork of the album" "Hall Of The Mountain Grill" extra tracks are 1) You Better Believe It 2) Psychedelic Warlords 3) Paradox 4) It's So Easy "Contains 4 extra tracks" ~ No indication of the origins on this one although I'd bet money "Warlords" is the single edit. All digitally remastered by Paul Cobbold and all out (at least in the UK) on March 25th 1996 They won't be mid-price though, expect to pay full price for these ones. There you have it. Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. See Our Website: http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Feb 2 14:08:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:08:00 EST Subject: HW: Bogus audience noise Message-ID: If you listen to the real audience sound and the laugh section in question, you'll notice a difference in timbre that made it clear to me that it was a tape. I wondered at 1st hearing myself since it was at such a strange point. The two audiences don't sound alike at all in sound quality. Plus, the laugh seems more like a laugh track library thing. Cue general controlled laugh Rudy This time "It's not live, it's Dave FX". From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Feb 2 14:14:23 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:14:23 -0600 Subject: HW reissues latest (LONG) In-Reply-To: <373@comics.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Jon Browne wrote: [all that cool info about HW deleted] > All digitally remastered by Paul Cobbold and all out (at least in the UK) on > March 25th 1996. OK, then my question is this: will there be a US release at all? (I think I'll take the liberty of e-mailing that guy at Griffin... I'm sure I have his address somewhere.) Damon Capehart | The Society of Physics Students at UTD dcapehar at utdallas.edu | (yes, even though I'm actually a math major) -- Call the Physics Friends Hotline. -- -- Find out about your special density! -- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Feb 2 14:19:36 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:19:36 -0500 Subject: HW reissues latest (LONG) In-Reply-To: <373@comics.demon.co.uk> from "Jon Browne" at Feb 2, 96 03:45:31 pm Message-ID: > > Spilling out of my fax machine even as we speak.... > > "Hawkwind" Release date March 25th 1996 > Cat No. Hawks 1 CHOMP! > 11) Cymbaline > Is this the Pink Floyd tune? This would be _most_ cool! (The PF song is one of my favorites from them from that era...) CHOMP! > > > All digitally remastered by Paul Cobbold and all out (at least in the UK) on > March 25th 1996 > > They won't be mid-price though, expect to pay full price for these ones. > OK, Griffen, lets' shoot for a _simultaneous_ release, please! Who do you want to get my money, the Brits or the Yanks??? To the winners go the spoils, y'know! (Still ticked off that there has been no local sighting of the latest HW, import _or_ domestic...) > > There you have it. > And wonderful it is. A pint of Bass will be hoisted in your honor (honour) for this bit of intel! > > Jon Browne > They Walk Among Us. > See Our Website: http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ > objCassette Deck: Andy Pickford / Dystopia. Next in queue: Shadow Gallery's first. -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 2 13:39:17 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:39:17 GMT Subject: HW gig-leaving Message-ID: In your message dated Friday 2, February 1996 you wrote : > I remember who said this one... Mike Holmes said: > > > don't know what happened after that. It was the worst Hawkwind gig I've > > ever been at and the only one I left. > > This is not only illegal but a sure hanging offence. ;) > > > Maxine > Well, how about Stonehenge '84? Including breaks, they played about 14 hours. I needed something to eat....I'm sorry, alright? Jon Browne From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Feb 2 14:59:56 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:59:56 -0500 Subject: Heavy Metal Message-ID: Speaking of Heavy Metal, according to the magazine Heavy Metal, March '96 cover story of which features old Albert interview re. the soundtrack, the movie Heavy Metal is being re-released in theaters, complete with heretofore unseen footage. -DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Feb 2 15:00:02 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:00:02 -0500 Subject: CBS news last night Message-ID: So, you with the labcoat, how could you blow this big opportunity to blast the Brain Surgeons at Dan Rather? Not to mention what it might do for the mice.... From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 2 06:23:01 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:23:01 GMT Subject: HW: reissues Message-ID: In your message dated Thursday 1, February 1996 you wrote : > Oh god, not more HW stuff. Will it never end ? I truly hope not. > Any idea what the extra tracks are going to be ? I'll post when I find out....That's if I find out first that is. > > > Chris O'Neill > ------------- > > Remember - Reality is anything you can get away with. Hey, Robert Anton Wilson! -- Jon Browne From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Feb 2 15:25:49 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:25:49 -0500 Subject: HW reissues latest (LONG) In-Reply-To: <373@comics.demon.co.uk> from "Jon Browne" at Feb 2, 96 03:45:31 pm Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > > "Digitally Remaster at Abby Road Studios by Paul Cobbold - Hawkwind's current > engineer" > "4 extra tracks of which 3 are unreleased"....erm? > "Elaborate fold-out digi-pak package reflecting the original album's artwork" A remastered _ISoS_ with Born to Go, Silver Machine and Seven by Seven? A remastered _Space Ritual_, with the live You Shouldn't Do That? A remastered Doremi, under any circumstances? I don't think I've felt this giddy since I heard that Live Chronicles was coming out on CD. > They won't be mid-price though, expect to pay full price for these ones. Fuck it, I'm writing the check already. :-) > There you have it. > > Jon Browne Jon Browne, you just made my week. Steve From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 2 06:09:43 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:09:43 GMT Subject: OFF: Gong Message-ID: In your message dated Thursday 1, February 1996 you wrote : > >> By NO stretch of the imagination is this the classic Gong. Come on, it's not *that* far off:) >That would > replace Steffi Sharpstrings with Steve Hillage on guitar True > and Pip Pyle with Pierre Moerlain behind the drums. No, Pip's better than Pierre anyday! And it depends what you call classic, too. I think Camberbert is totally classic but Shamal or Gazueze are pretty inconsequential. He's a fair enough 2nd Stringer to Steve as is Pierre to Pip. He's also a bloody nice bloke. > The music is space-jazz :-) Kind of trippy jazz, easy listening but > with a definite rock edge, Gong are/were unique. And before anyone > tries to make the comparison Ozric Tentacles do NOT sound like Gong. Noy for lack of trying. I must have seen the Ozrics do the OM Riff about 20 times. If ever their was a guitarist influenced by Hillage, it's Ed Ozric *and* he'd the first to admit it. > > Anyway go along - what have you got to lose? hear hear! Jon Browne From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Feb 2 16:12:44 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:12:44 -0500 Subject: Heavy Metal Message-ID: >Speaking of Heavy Metal, according to the magazine Heavy Metal, March '96 >cover story of which features old Albert interview re. the soundtrack, the >movie Heavy Metal is being re-released in theaters, complete with heretofore >unseen footage. >-DF Yeah, saw that. Be intersting to see if anything from the Burning Chrome project ever gets seen. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Fri Feb 2 16:42:28 1996 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:42:28 -0500 Subject: HW: reissues Message-ID: > > Any idea what the extra tracks are going to be ? > > I'll post when I find out....That's if I find out first that is. I was thinking about this last night, I've a feeling we shouldn't get too excited, I'll betcha they're things like: Brainbox Pollution single version of Psychedelic Warlords Hurry On Sundown (alternate mix) live Shouldn't Do That (original mix) etc. ie especially the stuff off of 'Stasis' which used up all of the b-sides and single versions from that era. I mean what else could there be ? If there was anything decent, Dave would have released it eons ago surely ? Of course we can live in hope. Now if they remaster them, that would be good, I've always said Hall Of the Mountain Grill is screaming out to be remastered (unless they really recorded it rhough a can of molasses ??) Cheers, Steve L. From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Sat Feb 3 16:05:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 13:05:00 PST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 2 Feb 1996 - Special issue/Kiss & CE Message-ID: Brenda also adds regarding CE: >It has "Black Blade" and "The Marshall Plan" on it. And "Unknown Tongue". I can't listen to many of the other songs. >My favorites are "Black Blade", "Monsters", "Divine Wind", and "Lips in >the Hills". >John Scarry though for you John, you just named 4 out of 5 of my top choices from CE. Just add Unknown Tongue. >I shouldn't jump into this discussion since it's off-topic, but what >the hell. I'm seriously considering checking this tour out if it >happens -- KISS was the first band I ever got into (there - I said it - >hey, I was in Jr. High from '76-'78, when KISS was at its peak, and the >first concert I ever saw was the "Love Gun"/"Alive II" tour -- which >I hear is the stage set they plan on using for the reunion). It might >be some nostalgic fun to re-live those lost days of my youth ("Flaming >youth - will set the world on fire . . ."). Just Jr. High. Geez I'm really feeling geezerly. Saw Kiss Alive I as a high scholl Sr. or Jr. (alzheimer and all). I'd like to see this too especially if they played all of those classic oldies Destoyer on back. >Manuel adds: >Buck could STILL blow Ace off the stage anyday!!!!! >Buck's one of the best, but Ace is no slouch - no matter what you might >think of KISS, Ace Frehley is one helluva guitarist (smoke or no smoke). >John Well a good guitarist and probably capable of hanging with most of todays good ones, but Ace is not in the class occuppied Buck and some others. Still Ace is a lot better than most people give him credit for (ok ok I really rode on Ace in the past but that was with Kiss, some of his solo work shows some pretty good skill). So can we stop the Buck comparisons people, I mean how many guitarist can you actually put in Buck's class, not many I'll wager. As for hearing Lips in the Hills live I got to hear that one in Oct 95 and it was great, albeit a bit short. Now if only I can convice Eyes to play Subhuman I'll only have about 10 songs left on my live wish list. Monsters, Perfect Water, Vera Gemini (oops BS request sorry), Teen Archer, The Vigil, Veterans.............. From jguizar at EPIX.NET Fri Feb 2 18:06:36 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:06:36 EST Subject: Metling Euphoria CD's Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:19:23 GMT FoFP wrote: >Just heard Jill's copy of this. It's amazing. Track 5 is like an updated >"Damnation Alley". Anyway, was someone here the source for these? I'd >like to get that and any other CD's they've done. I have _Upon The Solar Winds_ here (Cleopatra label). I picked it up from CDNow back in November for $13.14 USD. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 2 13:40:57 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:40:57 GMT Subject: Noise Hype Message-ID: In your message dated Friday 2, February 1996 you wrote : > Stonehenge '84 was really bad for lack of volume too. > > FoFP Yeah, but 14 hours! -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. See Our Website: http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ From brendah at MBAY.NET Fri Feb 2 18:54:35 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:54:35 -0800 Subject: Big Mistakes In-Reply-To: <4432482566C@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > Esp. like 'Lips.' Haven't BOC been doing that one live lately? > theo > They did it live when I saw them last week. It was the first time I'd seen it live, too. Brenda From brendah at MBAY.NET Fri Feb 2 19:06:11 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:06:11 -0800 Subject: Heavy Metal In-Reply-To: <960202145955_134183503@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996 DFrost8547 at AOL.COM wrote: > Speaking of Heavy Metal, according to the magazine Heavy Metal, March '96 > cover story of which features old Albert interview re. the soundtrack, the > movie Heavy Metal is being re-released in theaters, complete with heretofore > unseen footage. I'm there! I'd still like to see "Vengeance: The Pact" played! (Actually, I'd like to see the BOC songs credited in Bad Channels that weren't actually in the movie!) Brenda From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 2 19:31:34 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 00:31:34 +0000 Subject: BOC: AOF In-Reply-To: <199602021444.JAA08729@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Andrew Apold wrote: > Uh.... "Debbie Denise"? I must confess to actually liking...well, not > liking, but > not minding Debbie Denise on AOF. I like it better than say, True > Confessions. I like Allen otherwise and all, but don't let him near a mic. > Said this to Carl the other night when we met up, and I'll say it to the list now. In my opinion, worth about $0.01 less sales tax, AoF is a very strange album. ST has a unique flavour, and you could pick on any song from it and guess that's where it came from if you didn't know. Same for FoUO, particularly, and BOC itself. Also CE, from what's been being posted, although being tape-restricted I haven't managed to get that yet. AoF on the other hand has songs in hugely varied flavours. Maybe you could link `This Ain't the Summer' with `Sinful Love', and there on to `Tattoo Vampire', and DFtR matches `Tenderloin' in a way, and also tRoVG, and I suppose `Debbie Denise' ( which I gather from Carl was not intended by Al to go on the album, correct me if wrong ) matches `True Confessions' ( in that they're both lame cf. BOC's normal standards ). But where does ETI fit? It's almost a `fun' song played like that: not bad, but SEE shows you how it could go.. And none of those groups seem to match up, and DFtR stands away from all of them IMO anyway. Not really going to make anything of this, just interested to know if anyone else reckons that, while much of the music is as good as BOC gets ( DfTR, TV (!!), MF maybe ) it's a strange selection of songs to put together, and possibly not a good album therefore, but just a collection of good songs, certainly compared to ST. But hey, if we compare everything to ST where will we get? There's my cent's worth then: all opinions my own, selections arbitrary and so on. JAZZA In the Walkman as I type: CoE(tMY), `Seven Screamin' Diz-busters': `I know Lucifer so well I can call him by his first name...' /----------------------------------------------------------\ | "So, Penfold, what did you think of Popacatepetl?" | | "Er, not yet chief, but I will as soon as we | | get to the kitchen." | |==========================================================| |Jonathan Jarrett ( History ) | Ext. Tel. 01223 460728 | | ( Pembroke College, | Int. Tel. 39082 | | Cambridge CB2 1RF ) or | E-MAIL: | | 2 Selwyn Gardens (7), | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | Cambridge CB2 1NG. | | \__________________________________________________________/ From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Feb 3 01:05:02 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 01:05:02 -0500 Subject: vinyl aid Message-ID: Yeah, and even those hydrophonic Secret Treaties (which I thought were some sort of collector's items) are going for just a couple bucks... It breaks my heart when I see my favorite bands being sold so cheap...but it also saves me money, so I can't complain. Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Feb 3 01:40:42 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 01:40:42 -0500 Subject: BS Fans Energized? Message-ID: On 1-FEB-1996 16:35:08.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >by listserv.spc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA16781 for >; Thu, 01 Feb 1996 15:48:08 -0500 >Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6] (ident = root) >by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.0 #36) >id m0ti5uL-000C0TC; Thu, 01 Feb 1996 20:47 +0000 (GMT) >Received: by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.29.0 #77) id >m0ti5uG-000DJLC; Thu, >01 Feb 1996 20:47 +0000 (GMT) >Date: Thu, 01 Feb 1996 20:46:59 +0000 >From: "Carl E. Anderson" >Subject: Re: BS Fans Energized? >In-reply-to: <43018053A6A at hawk.syr.edu> >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Message-id: >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] >Content-type: text >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >> I never listen to the radio >> and I get all my impressions on new music from record reviews >> and interviews with musicians that I read in guitar magazines. >I never listen to the radio either, and never have. I've heard When I was younger, I had the typical influences - Radio, MTV, older siblings, friends, etc who exposed me to music. And some experimenting (just buying something that looked good) But ever since my father went into the computer consulting business in '92 (and therefore buying a more high-powered computer with a modem), it's been tape trading. It's amazing, really, whole new worlds of music that have been opened to me by simply having a modem. I wonder what my music collection would consist of (or maybe NOT consist of would be more appropriate) if I'd never hooked up. Radio makes me ill ("Radios, disappear!") now. And I think most BOC fans agree, as we rarely get to hear anything by them except the standard hits. Chuck "Can you dig the locomotion?" Sorry, Al, but no. Not on radio. `[1;36;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Feb 3 01:41:03 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 01:41:03 -0500 Subject: almost HW stuff Message-ID: On 1-FEB-1996 23:49:57.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA16744 for >; Thu, 01 Feb 1996 20:37:07 -0800 >Received: (gnome at localhost) by julie.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) >id UAA05508 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Thu, 01 Feb 1996 20:37:06 -0800 >Date: Thu, 01 Feb 1996 20:37:06 -0800 >From: Kevin Haskel Rubin >Subject: Re: almost HW stuff >In-reply-to: <01I0PT4310OY9D63CQ at delphi.com> from ><"HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM"@Fe b> >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Message-id: <199602020437.UAA05508 at julie.teleport.com> >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] >Content-type: text >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >X-Iguana: Uroboros >> I've been meaning to ask this - Why do some people refer to the >album "In >> Search Of Space" as "X In Search Of Space"?? >> >> Chuck >In the title there's an X before In Search Of Space. It's not on the >spine of the One Way CDs, but in the picture on the cover, where the >title goes around the center part, it's there. >-kevin >-- Looking at my vinyl copy now and you're right - I never noticed the "X" before. But it doesn't have the X on the spine, either, or anywhere else. What the hell would "X In Search Of Space" mean anyway?? Chuck "Vampire photo suckin' the skin" `[1;31;47mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sat Feb 3 02:19:22 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 01:19:22 -0600 Subject: HW: re: new rereleases Message-ID: Well, I tried asking that guy at Griffin via e-mail at PYAT at aol.com, but that address is not active anymore. I guess we'll just have to assume an eventual US release... or am I asking too much? :) Damon Capehart | The Society of Physics Students at UTD dcapehar at utdallas.edu | (yes, even though I'm actually a math major) ObOffTopic: Asking too much apparently also includes expecting the Gong tour to make it further south than K.City MO. :( From Chris.C.O'Neill at APVXC1.PHARMACEUTICALS.ZENECA.TMAILUK.SPRINT.COM Sat Feb 3 03:58:34 1996 From: Chris.C.O'Neill at APVXC1.PHARMACEUTICALS.ZENECA.TMAILUK.SPRINT.COM (Chris O'Neill - ZC&TS (Tel 01625 515603)) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 03:58:34 -0500 Subject: HW: reissues Message-ID: >In your message dated Thursday 1, February 1996 you wrote : >> Oh god, not more HW stuff. Will it never end ? > I truly hope not. Yeah, l suppose l have to agree. Still l'm not sure these latest releases really give us anyhting new - unless the extra tracks are all previously unreleased anywhre, ever. Hmmm..... >> Any idea what the extra tracks are going to be ? >> Chris O'Neill >> ------------- >> >> Remember - Reality is anything you can get away with. > Hey, Robert Anton Wilson! Oh dear , l'm going to reveal my ignorance here ! Who's R.A.W ? I confess l saw the line scrawled on the back of a toilet door at the last gig l went to. I thought it was amusing so l adopted (stole ?) it as a signature line. Chris O'Neill ------------- From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Feb 3 05:24:36 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 05:24:36 -0500 Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: On 2-FEB-1996 10:32:22.1 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> >> >> Brenda also adds regarding CE: >> >> >It has "Black Blade" and "The Marshall Plan" on it. And "Unknown >Tongue". I >> can't listen to many of the other songs. >> >> >> My favorites are "Black Blade", "Monsters", "Divine Wind", and "Lips >in > the Hills". >> >> >> John >Esp. like 'Lips.' Haven't BOC been doing that one live lately? >theo Hmmm. I think CE is a homerun hitter. My favorites being "Black Blade", "Hungry Boys", "Fallen Angel" and "Lips" - the rest aren't too shabby either! Chuck `[1;35;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Feb 3 05:24:52 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 05:24:52 -0500 Subject: All the Aces Message-ID: On 2-FEB-1996 11:45:26.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >An appeal to HW/Lemmy experts out there. I just got 'The Best of >Motorhead--All the Aces' a two-disc set. Well, not exactly. One >disc is called 'The Muggers Tapes.'Supposedly, it was recorded in >'78. Oh, no, not that SAME show again!! Probably is... There are as many releases of that one as there are of HW albums called "Masters Of The Unverse". The other disc is a compilation of 'Motorhead' tunes spanning >from 'Bomber' to 'Orgasmatron.' Is this a re-mastering of old hits, >or just an as-is compilation? Thought I'd just throw this in here - I was e-mailing w/Janiss Garza, who works for RIP magazine here in the States (a pretty trashy mag but she helps give it a little integrity). She's always been a big supporter of Motorhead and told me that she has recently been in contact w/Lemmy - helping him with his autobiography! He gave her all the HW records that he appeared on for reference. (Can I help with the book, too?? I'll need some records first, though...) Anyway, she revleaed something interesting. She said that Lemmy spaketh - "If they hadn't kicked me out, I'd probably still be with them!" Now that doesn't sound like Lemmy, does it? Chuck "Cruel Kandiru your being brings" `[1;37;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Feb 3 05:25:00 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 05:25:00 -0500 Subject: CE, FOUO, AOF Message-ID: On 2-FEB-1996 12:33:24.6 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >I have to confess... I really kinda like Deb, Denise (Ahhh that feels >better). I also like EVERYTHING on CE. Just another flavor of BOC. For >that matter I like EVERYTHING on FOUO. I even like most of CN. I love >RBN with the single exception of "Light Years of Love", this song is the >absolute worst of all time. (Didn't John confess to liking this?? Oh >well no more copies of the FAQ for me ;) ). I put "Beat em Up" higher >than LYOL. >Brad L. I confess to liking this, too, unashamedly. But I think it did win the vote for "Most Uncharacteristic BOC Song" (or something like that) on an old questionaire. One of my faves from the album. Chuck `[1;30;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 3 07:41:02 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:41:02 +0000 Subject: All the Aces In-Reply-To: <01I0RK3CFHQW9D6GM6@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Feb 3, 96 05:24:52 am Message-ID: > Anyway, she revleaed something interesting. She said that Lemmy > spaketh - "If they hadn't kicked me out, I'd probably still be with them!" > Now that doesn't sound like Lemmy, does it? I dunno. I can see it. Lemmy likes getting in and doing his thing and I think he might have cheerfully chugged along in HW for years. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Lemmy hadn't been thrown out. I can see Nik still going, but would would the Calvert era have been like with Lemmy still there and beginning to hit what was his early Motorhead stride? A concept: Assasins of Allah played as if by early Motorhead, sung by Bob, and with violin from Simon House. Frightening :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 3 07:41:37 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:41:37 +0000 Subject: HW: re: new rereleases In-Reply-To: from "Le Monsieur Damon" at Feb 3, 96 01:19:22 am Message-ID: > Well, I tried asking that guy at Griffin via e-mail at PYAT at aol.com, but > that address is not active anymore. I guess we'll just have to assume an > eventual US release... or am I asking too much? :) Phone the bastards up! Hawkfans demand their rights! :) Cheers, Carl From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Feb 3 07:17:17 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:17:17 GMT Subject: OFF : Who's Robert Anton Wilson? Message-ID: In your message dated Saturday 3, February 1996 you wrote : > > Oh dear , l'm going to reveal my ignorance here ! Who's R.A.W ? I confess > l saw the line scrawled on the back of a toilet door at the last gig l went to. > I thought it was amusing so l adopted (stole ?) it as a signature line. > Chris O'Neill > ------------- > Chris, RAW's stuff is worth stealing! He's *the* most psychedelic author I've ever read. Further out than Wolfe, Casteneda, Leary, McKenna or Moorcock. He wrote the Illuminatus trilogy, which defined the occult/head conspiracy form, about 20 years ago. I absolutely guarantee he would be of *major* interest to any long-time Hawkfan and most of his stuff is in print. -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. See Our Website: http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 3 08:04:35 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 13:04:35 +0000 Subject: Heavy Metal In-Reply-To: <960202145955_134183503@emout10.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Feb 2, 96 02:59:56 pm Message-ID: > Speaking of Heavy Metal, according to the magazine Heavy Metal, March '96 > cover story of which features old Albert interview re. the soundtrack, the > movie Heavy Metal is being re-released in theaters, complete with heretofore > unseen footage. God help us all .... ;) Cheers, Carl From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sat Feb 3 09:28:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 09:28:00 -0500 Subject: Calif Brainstorm Message-ID: Hello, I think we can be assured that the audience noise in Out of the Shadows on California Brainstorm is not real. I was at the show, recorded it myself, as well as have a soundboard tape and video of the show and based on these I think it was added (or was a tape used by harvey or dave as was mentioned) SCott ObCassette: Santana- Avalon SF 5/68 (soundboard tape) From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sat Feb 3 09:30:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 09:30:00 -0500 Subject: New Releases Message-ID: I am really glad that these are coming out. I have been listeing to a lot of Cd's and recordings from records in my walkman lately and I am of the opinion that most of the 60's and 70's as well as some of the recent CD's just lack the full frequency range and just don't sound as good unless they have been properly remastered. Listen to any of the first pressings of Led Zeppelin or Black Sabbath Cd's. The remastering if going to make all of these early HW lps come alive again I hope. I don't understand though with Space Ritual why they did not decide to use the tracks that were from Space Ritual 2 to make it the full concert with the complete Brainstorm, etc.... Oh well.. that will be another release later..... I still think that vinyl sounds better than the CD in many cases, at least to my ear......... Scott ObCassette: Count Raven- Storm Warning From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sat Feb 3 09:58:10 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 09:58:10 -0500 Subject: HW: re: Griffin E-mail address In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Feb 3, 96 12:41:37 pm Message-ID: > > > Well, I tried asking that guy at Griffin via e-mail at PYAT at aol.com, but > > that address is not active anymore. I guess we'll just have to assume an > > eventual US release... or am I asking too much? :) > > Phone the bastards up! Hawkfans demand their rights! :) > > Cheers, > Carl > To all, According to my domestic Dave Brock release, the e-mail address for Griffin is: GrifMus at aol.com Let's start the "We want our HW at domestic prices _NOW_" campaign! And let's also find out why, with all of the fanclubs that they list on the pullout, we are missing... Think the name has something to do with it??? -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat Feb 3 10:28:28 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 16:28:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Still looking for stuff Message-ID: Hello folks I am still looking for the following items: - HAWKFAN 12 (record) - MIND JOURNEY (bootleg record) ............. does it really exist? I someone is interested to sell or to swap please e-mail me I have got 540 HAWKWIND tapes and about 30 HAWKWIND videos to swap Bernhard From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sat Feb 3 10:44:43 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 10:44:43 -0500 Subject: Griffin Music Message-ID: Well, I sent my e-mail out, what are _you_ waiting for?!?! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat Feb 3 11:43:06 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 11:43:06 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons Gig Message-ID: Speaking of Brain Surgeons gigs, did I mention Don Hill's, 511 Greenwich St in NYC, Wednesday, Feb 28, 9 PM? -DF From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sat Feb 3 12:31:20 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 17:31:20 GMT Subject: gig dates In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:30:12 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hello Mike > > > >In the gigs list you sent me you list Glastonbury '81 as occuring the > >night before Stonehenge '81. You have these in the wrong order. I'm > >certain of this because we cycled from one gig to the other that year. > > Thanks Mike! > > Are these the right dates?? > > > STONEHENGE 20.06.1981 > GLASTONBURY 21.06.1981 I think it was 21st and 22nd. I'm fairly sure Stonhenge gig was on the Solstice. > > > Bernhard Cheers FoFP From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sat Feb 3 14:04:27 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 19:04:27 GMT Subject: HW: '81 gig dates In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Sat, 3 Feb 1996 17:31:20 GMT Message-ID: Mike and Bernard discuss '81 dates: > > >In the gigs list you sent me you list Glastonbury '81 as occuring the > > >night before Stonehenge '81. You have these in the wrong order. I'm > > >certain of this because we cycled from one gig to the other that year. > > > > Are these the right dates?? > > > > > > STONEHENGE 20.06.1981 > > GLASTONBURY 21.06.1981 > > I think it was 21st and 22nd. I'm fairly sure Stonhenge gig was on the > Solstice. > Curiously I've got a Glastonbury CND Festival tape that's dated 20 June 1981 - is that not the date on the official CND tape as well?? Actually, now I come to look, all the other tapelists I've got have this date too..... 8-? Are you *sure* you didn't cycle from Glastonbury to Stonehenge? The 21st June 1981 was a Sunday, if that helps. Would you not have been heading back to work in time for Monday? Just curious jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Sat Feb 3 17:15:57 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 17:15:57 EST Subject: OFF : Who's Robert Anton Wilson? Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:17:17 GMT Jon wrote: >I absolutely guarantee he would be of *major* interest to any long-time >Hawkfan and most of his stuff is in print. Are you sure it's still in print? I lent mine out about 15 years ago and never got them back. Seems to me there was the original three and then I came across a fourth on the Illuminati around '80. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From delacour at UNM.EDU Sat Feb 3 17:33:09 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 15:33:09 -0700 Subject: KISS REUNION TOUR!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Richard Lockwood wrote: > >Kiss will reunite with the original line-up of Gene, Paul, Peter, and > >Ace and put on the make up for a reunion tour!! > > Yeah, right. There have been rumours of this happening for years, and they've > always been strenuously denied by any source anywhere near the band - > including the band themselves. Where did this info come from this time? > Call me a sceptic if you will..! :-) > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > ** this. is. not. a. fish? ** > Rich, This info was aired on MTV recently and was verified by a friend of mine that IS a hardcore Kiss fan. It is my opnion, that Kiss has NOT even been Kiss since Ace left the band. They were just another hair band in the 80's that didn't have much to say musically. Creatures of the Night was, for me, their last great disc. Let's see what will happen next. Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Sat Feb 3 17:38:47 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 15:38:47 -0700 Subject: KISS REUNION TOUR!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <9602021610.AA29084@crux.astr.ua.edu> Message-ID: Seems Ace will be going thru some cosmetic operation and has hired a trainer to get him in shape. I caught Ace in Albq in Mar' 94. Yeah, he looked like shit, but he could still wail. Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From riordan at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU Sat Feb 3 19:17:35 1996 From: riordan at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Phillip A Jaeger) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 18:17:35 -0600 Subject: OFF : Who's Robert Anton Wilson? Message-ID: >On Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:17:17 GMT Jon wrote: > >>I absolutely guarantee he would be of *major* interest to any long-time >>>Hawkfan and most of his stuff is in print. > > Are you sure it's still in print? I lent mine out about 15 years ago >and never >got them back. Seems to me there was the original three and then I came across >a fourth on the Illuminati around '80. > > > > >Jerry >jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us >jguizar at epix.net They are available in reprint. phillip a jaeger ==> riordan at mail.utexas.edu =================================================================== if your circles could be spirals? and your idols were machines? you could pick up all the signals, and fly from where you've been. -Are You Receiving Me? Golden Earring ('73) From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Sat Feb 3 23:28:15 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 20:28:15 -0800 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 31 Jan 1996 -Digest Mode On In-Reply-To: <960202102009_133993603@mail04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Andy Gilham wrote: > John said, re CE: > > >Perhaps this goes back to better support from Columbia? In retrospect, > >it would seem to me that songs like "Black Blade" or "Lips in the Hills" > >could have made killer singles -- "The Marshall Plan" is an o.k. song, > >but never seemed to me to be something that would appeal to the masses. > >How about "Divine Wind"? Hey, with all the anti-Iran sentiment in this > >country at the time, this could have become the national anthem! Well, > >maybe not . . . > > "Fallen Angel" was the single, wasn't it, with "Lips" on the flip? Though it > was "Lips" that spent several weeks in the _Sounds_ Heavy Metal chart. > "Hungry Boys" was always one of my faves, plus "Monsters" of course (any > song about mutiny and gang rape in hyperspace is off to a good start already > :)... but I liked BOC, at least in part, *because* they were never going to > "appeal to the masses"! > > - Andy > Gang rape? I think I missed something somewhere. It was more like a 'free love' deal I thought. - Passerby in Times Square (whats wrong with us masses?) From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Sat Feb 3 23:32:10 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 20:32:10 -0800 Subject: Heavy Metal In-Reply-To: <960202145955_134183503@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996 DFrost8547 at AOL.COM wrote: > Speaking of Heavy Metal, according to the magazine Heavy Metal, March '96 > cover story of which features old Albert interview re. the soundtrack, the > movie Heavy Metal is being re-released in theaters, complete with heretofore > unseen footage. > -DF > Its about time!!!! There is a whole generation of the uninitiated that languish in the dark! - Passerby in Times Square From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Sun Feb 4 00:09:49 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 21:09:49 -0800 Subject: 2/2 BOC Gig In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey everybody! Here's a slightly incoherent once over of the show. D. Mitch can do a better job, tho. Setlist (Not in order): Dr. Music Joan Crawford Burnin' for You Stairway to the Stars Flaming Telepaths In Thee ! Red & Black Lips In The Hills ! Astronomy D & S Godzilla Before the Kiss See you in black Harvest Moon Holy *Beep*$hit, its Godzilla! 2 hours of the most sublime ecstasy possible this side of Valhalla. The second best show I've ever been to - the best show they played 3 hours (in Cols, OH in 88? 89?), and the encore included Golden Age of Leather (read and weep!). - Passerby in Times Square From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Feb 4 00:25:48 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 00:25:48 -0500 Subject: All the Aces Message-ID: Not sure I agree there, Carl. I think Lemmy would have left soon anyway. It's obvious that the style of music he prefers is plain ol' (Motorhead-style) rock 'n' roll. I think eventually he would have split with the band because they wouldn't go that way. BTW, my friend Janiss reports this time that Lemmy did blaspheme - "Hawkwind really went downhill after my departure." Could Lemmy be so self-centered?? I'm disappointed, I thought Lemmy had more class than that. Sure, this quote doesn't exactly indicate that he meant he was the only/major reason, but I get that feeling. Sure, his absense was a major factor for their change in direction, but there were probably plenty of other reasons... (Turner, record label, other line-up changes, I'm sure Brock wanted to do something different.) Chuck From mordru at MAGG.NET Sun Feb 4 01:36:18 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 01:36:18 -0500 Subject: BOC: AOF Message-ID: >On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Andrew Apold wrote: > > AoF on the other hand has songs in hugely varied flavours. Glazing over the FAQ, I note that they (BOC) got four-track thingamajigs so they could record on their own before AOF, which (this is all speculation) means that they could write stuff more on their own seperately, instead of (presumably) as a group, which they would have been forced to do prior to that. I think I read somewhere that DFtR, for example, was more Don off on his own coming up with it. I might imagine that much of the rest was also done in such a fashion, either alone (or with others from outside, like Patti or Helen). One side ref of this is that when listening on CD I normally shuffle the order of what I listen to. I do this on AOF and afterwards, but not on the first three. Those hafta be listened to in order, it doesn't quite work if they're not. Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Feb 4 04:42:10 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 10:42:10 +0100 Subject: HW: '81 gig dates Message-ID: Hello I have got here a programme from the GLASTONBURY CND festival dated 19th, 20th, 21th June 1981, Worthy Farm, Somerset HAWKWIND's gig is dated on 20.06.1981 (Saturday) between 11.00h and 12.00h (not sure if morning or evening). Mike?? Still confused Bernhard From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Feb 4 06:34:45 1996 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 11:34:45 GMT Subject: HW reissues latest (LONG) In-Reply-To: <373@comics.demon.co.uk> (from Jon Browne ) (at Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:45:31 GMT) Message-ID: Hi Jon, > Spilling out of my fax machine even as we speak.... > ..cut for reasons of brevity Thanks very much for posting this Jon - This looks like as good a job as we could reasonably expact EMI to do, particularly if they remix it from the original masters. Possibly the only thing that looks doubtful is using Paul Cobbold to engineer it, to my ears the old stuff already has a better sound than he managed on the last couple of studio albums. I like that solid wedge of the rythm section on Space Ritual, it was a major factor in getting me into the band in the first place. Still it looks like its time to sell the children to buy this lot. It would be interesting to see what kind of sales EMI think they will get, its not like remastering Led Zeppelin or The Beatles, much as I love these albums I dont think they are exactly going to be subject to in depth discussion in the Sunday supplements - still you never know. Getting excited already David From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Sun Feb 4 09:20:21 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 14:20:21 GMT Subject: All the Aces Message-ID: > > > Anyway, she revleaed something interesting. She said that Lemmy > > spaketh - "If they hadn't kicked me out, I'd probably still be with them!" > > Now that doesn't sound like Lemmy, does it? > > I dunno. I can see it. Lemmy likes getting in and doing his > thing and I think he might have cheerfully chugged along in HW for years. > It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Lemmy > hadn't been thrown out. I can see Nik still going, but would would the > Calvert era have been like with Lemmy still there and beginning to hit > what was his early Motorhead stride? A concept: Assasins of Allah played > as if by early Motorhead, sung by Bob, and with violin from Simon House. > Frightening :) > I've often wondered what 'Ace of Spades' would sound like if it was done by Hawkwind, rather than Motorhead. I do prefer Hawkwind's version of 'Motorhead' and as I think it says in the Acid Daze liner notes "this is how it is supposed to be played". bye - Rob From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Feb 4 13:41:25 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 18:41:25 +0000 Subject: All the Aces In-Reply-To: <9602041420.AA02869@etlxd20c> from "Rob Stuckey" at Feb 4, 96 02:20:21 pm Message-ID: > I've often wondered what 'Ace of Spades' would sound like if it > was done by Hawkwind, rather than Motorhead. I do prefer Hawkwind's > version of 'Motorhead' and as I think it says in the Acid Daze > liner notes "this is how it is supposed to be played". Ah, but that's the Motorhead/Valium 10 version ... the original Hawkwind Motorhead was the Kings of Speed B-side and now resides as the last track of the Warriors CD ... very strange, but cool. Overall, though I like the HW Brock vocal Motorhead best too. On the other hand the On Parole Motorhead as the cool motorbike sounds at the start, and the studio track from the first released Motorhead album has that unspeakble guitar screeching towards the end, which is quite good ... Ah ... so much thunderous music, so few eardrums .... Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Feb 4 13:52:20 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 18:52:20 +0000 Subject: All the Aces In-Reply-To: <01I0SNX3AEYQ984NFO@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Feb 4, 96 00:25:48 am Message-ID: > BTW, my friend Janiss reports this time that Lemmy did > blaspheme - "Hawkwind really went downhill after my departure." > Could Lemmy be so self-centered?? I'm disappointed, I thought > Lemmy had more class than that. Sure, this quote doesn't > exactly indicate that he meant he was the only/major reason, > but I get that feeling. Sure, his absense was a major factor > for their change in direction, but there were probably plenty > of other reasons... (Turner, record label, other line-up > changes, I'm sure Brock wanted to do something different.) Well, it might not be self-centered. I wouldn't link Lemmy's departure directly to a perceived decline, but I would agree with him that HW went downhill after he left. I mean when its a choice between Space Ritual, HotMG, and Warrior or ASAM, QS&C, PXR5 .... I'll take the first, despite there being some excellent and classic tracks on the latter three. I'm one of those who enjoys the CotBS/LC period, so I might count those as the first post-Lemmy albums that begin to do for me what the Lemmy-era albums did. Palace Springs, 14 _years_ after Lemmy left is the first album that I would unequivocably place among the hallowed ranks of the Lemmy-era albums (and three of its tracks are from that era). So I would, personally, concur: Hawkwind _did_ go downhill after Lemmy left. However I wouldn't attribute this simply to Lemmy's departure--the man did and does rock utterly, but he was not the only important ingredient in Hawkwind at the time. A lot of stuff contributed to HW's decline post-Lemmy: tensions in the band, the departure of other key members whose shoes were not filled by performers of the same caliber ... The departure of Lemmy is simply an easy place to point to on the scale, even for the man himself. Cheers, Carl From lansford at VNET.NET Sun Feb 4 17:09:54 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 22:09:54 GMT Subject: Heavy Metal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Brenda Holloway wrote: >I'm there! I'd still like to see "Vengeance: The Pact" played! (Actually, I'd >like to see the BOC songs credited in Bad Channels that weren't actually >in the movie!) What songs were those, Brenda? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- No Team -- No Peace Save Our Browns http://melkor.multiverse.com/sob/ -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sun Feb 4 18:51:19 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:51:19 GMT Subject: OFF : Who's Robert Anton Wilson? In-Reply-To: Jerry Guizar's message of Sat, 3 Feb 1996 17:15:57 EST Message-ID: > On Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:17:17 GMT Jon wrote: > > >I absolutely guarantee he would be of *major* interest to any long-time >Hawkfan and most of his stuff is in print. > > Are you sure it's still in print? I lent mine out about 15 years ago and never > got them back. Tsk! you should have known better 8-) THEY are secretly scouring the world "borrowing" these books and not giving them back in an attempt to take them out of circulation...... Do not let these books out of your sight - trust no-one. There's also the Historical Illuminati series (The Widow's Son) but these were probably written by an imposter in an attempt to discredit Robert Anton Wilson since they are virtually unreadable! However if you can find the "Schrodinger's Cat" trilogy I highly recommend these as being among the most truly wierd and bizarre and humorous books I have ever read. It's not a substitute for the Illuminatus trilogy but there are several familiar characters therein. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon Feb 5 10:50:44 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:50:44 EST Subject: HW: '81 gig dates In-Reply-To: <199602040942.KAA13610@exit.ruhr.de>; from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Feb 4, 96 10:42:10 am Message-ID: > > Hello > > > I have got here a programme from the GLASTONBURY CND festival > dated 19th, 20th, 21th June 1981, Worthy Farm, Somerset > > HAWKWIND's gig is dated on 20.06.1981 (Saturday) between 11.00h and 12.00h > (not sure if morning or evening). Mike?? > They played on the Saturday night it was roughly around that time,I think New Order or the Cure played before them. I also heard that they had played 'henge the night before ,but that was only hearsay. It was quite a good gig apart from huwey's geetar going out of tune,(flame coat on) but didn't it sound like that all the time ? "Huwey , I need a count-Shot down" Martin Griffin -Glastonbury 1981. regards Marty From brian at WEBGENESIS.COM Sun Feb 4 19:10:52 1996 From: brian at WEBGENESIS.COM (Brian Moseley) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 19:10:52 -0500 Subject: OFF : Who's Robert Anton Wilson? Message-ID: >However if you can find the "Schrodinger's Cat" trilogy I highly >recommend these as being among the most truly wierd and bizarre and >humorous books I have ever read. It's not a substitute for the >Illuminatus trilogy but there are several familiar characters therein. also... check out "Masks of the Illuminatus". Einstein and Joyce team up to solve a wacky occult mystery. heh. ----------------------------------------------- Brian Moseley WebGenesis, Inc. brian at webgenesis.com 607.255.2067 "The trouble with life is that, unlike movies, it doesn't have background music. We never know how we're supposed to feel." --- Lewis Gardner From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Sun Feb 4 23:19:42 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:19:42 -0500 Subject: BOC : Aid for Kazakhstan! Message-ID: Chuck wrote: >I don't remember the original note exactly - is Boris only interested in >CDs? Because I spotted AoF recently on vinyl for one dollar (and maybe >Mirrors, too, or some other BOC record). He says: I'm a passionate fan of BOC's music many years and I had all band LP's but recently I did begun (sic) to collect CDs only and now my dreaming is complete collection of all Blue Oyster Cult albums on CD format and of course all related CD albums including both of yours. So I guess it's only CDs he needs now. Kazakhstan seems so far away. I wonder how he got all our albums. I'll bet he doesn't have all of them. I'm looking forward to his reply to me. Al From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Mon Feb 5 02:05:59 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 02:05:59 -0500 Subject: BOC : Aid for Kazakhstan! Message-ID: To Al & All: >He says: I'm a passionate fan of BOC's music many years >and I had all band LP's but recently I did begun (sic) to collect >CDs only and now my dreaming is complete collection of all >Blue Oyster Cult albums on CD format and of course all related >CD albums including both of yours. Well, I can vouch for the first three recordings, and I'm going to be firing off a piece of snail-mail in his direction shortly, to discuss the now-relevant issue of Kazakhstan's laws & regulations regarding materials shipped in from foreign nations. I have picked our Traffic Manager's brain (chuckle) at the office, and he contacted his friend at Expeditor's International, who expressed concern about frequent "inspections" of arriving foreign goods in that part of the world... I also obtained a pricing schedule for shipping goods to that corner of the world, and will post it for everyone's perusal early this week, as I left it at the office on Friday. I think it would be a good idea to coordinate any & all shipments of goodies for our far-flung friend, to minimize the cost. You will see what I mean when you browse the rate scale. The rates also reflect a discounted scale, as Kevin (the traffic manager guy) is quite willing to do this on his personal account with Expeditors, and save us a fair amount of money. Kevin is also a BOC fan... =) By the way, all three CD's bear the autographs of Buck, Eric, & Danny. Boris will be getting something special in his stocking... If anyone else feels like joining Al & I in this humanitarian gesture of Rock & Roll goodwill, feel free to jump in on THIS thread, and we'll see if we can get Boris set-up with the best the west has to offer... The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Mon Feb 5 02:06:24 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 02:06:24 -0500 Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: ROBO: >>The AOF version of FOUO seemed like it fit right in with the overall feel of >>AOF. Would have made one more KILLER cut on the album. >>Of course, what would the later FOUO album been called? >>R. >this is one tune I gotta hear sometime... >I think FOUO and AOF are pretty much on the same plain... >FOUO is a lil bit more heavier in the keyboards, but otherwise >you could probly take both albums and make it a double album... >my vote would be "Vengeance" >ROBO You know, I floated a thought much like this on the alt.m.boc rather recently, and it was, how shall I say, dismissed...read on... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob: >>Just want to throw out a thought I've bounced around for years, >>and that Charlie & I very recently speculated on: >>Is it just me, or does 'After Dark' sound like it could be >>the eleventh track off 'Agents Of Fortune' ??? >>Anyone? >I disagree...I think After Dark sounds more like FoUO, mainly because >Fire is dripping with keyboards, and After Dark is one of those songs... Good point. However, I would propose that the reason 'After Dark' sounds like FoUO is that it is on FoUO. I'm not so much after the technical aspects of production, or the orchestration & arrangement, or even the possible philosophical implications & ramifications. (whew!) Having listened to both many times over, I still think the 'mood', the 'tone', the 'pace' of 'After Dark' sounds remarkably like Agents... Call me crazy... =) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A double album you say... =) The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Mon Feb 5 02:06:28 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 02:06:28 -0500 Subject: 2/2 BOC Gig - Seattle On Flame! Message-ID: Subject: Seattle On Flame! With Rock & Roll... From: dmitchissy at aol.com (DMitchIssy) Date: 3 Feb 1996 06:48:06 -0500 JUST WHEN I THOUGHT it couldn't get any better than last night, The Boys brought it all to the Firehouse on Friday... Thursday's set list was an almost exact match to the setlist RobReich posted for the New Year's Eve show down South in California, with the only difference being the absence of ME 262, and the addition of The Red & The Black as a second encore. I'm sure they would have given the second encore if the power hadn't gone out... Friday found me face to face with Ed & Anita, exactly as they described themselves, with Ed tall & sporting Buck's fine Flat Out T-shirt, and Anita smiling as promised... =) The setlist for Friday night took some excellent turns for the better, or at least I got to hear what I hoped they'd add to what they had already played on Thursday... THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 1st - The Ballard Firehouse. Stairway To The Stars. Dr. Music. O.D.'d On Life Itself. E.T.I. Harvest Moon. <--- Audience confused until 'middle part'... Before The Kiss (a redcap). I'd Like To See You In Black. <--- Great Live Tune! Joan Crawford. Flaming Telepaths. Cities On Flame. Then Came The Last Days Of May.<--- Eric mentioned my request! In Thee. Lips In The Hills. Burnin' For You. Godzilla. <--- Danny & John solo here... Don't Fear The Reaper. -------------------------------- 1st: Dominance & Submission. 2nd: The Red & The Black. The only conspicuous absence from the 12/31/95 setlist is ME 262, but I did see Woody bring out the 'tapes' of effects for certain songs, and ME was among them... FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 2nd - The Ballard Firehouse. Repeat Thursday Setlist up to Cities On Flame... Instead Of 'Last Days', they performed an excellent 'Astronomy'. Then the electric/acoustic version of 'In Thee'. Then, instead of Lips, ME 262! The Big Three (BFY, GZ, DFTR). ---------------------------------------------- 1st: Lips In The Hills. 2nd: Dominance & Submission. <--- I got to sing! 3rd: The Red & The Black. Excellent audience participation tonight. The place was packed, and a few 'overloaded' fans had to take in some cool night air. I just kept moving up... If it's any consolation, I could see Eric's eye's through the whole show (backlighting), and he was looking right down into the audience during the entire show. He's in fine form, but is beginning to look a bit tired... More later, on one really cool event... 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(800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Feb 5 02:57:05 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 07:57:05 GMT Subject: All the Aces Message-ID: > > On the other hand the On Parole Motorhead as the cool motorbike > sounds at the start, and the studio track from the first released Motorhead > album has that unspeakble guitar screeching towards the end, which is > quite good ... > This rings a bell, is this the version which is on Motorhead's 'Motorhead' single I think I've got a very scratched copy of this somewhere. bye - Rob From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Feb 5 03:30:30 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 03:30:30 -0500 Subject: BOC: UndERbeLlY OnlINe Message-ID: hey folks... updates to the Web site this month...and while your checkin' it out give Wallace a ring in his Trans PC column I should hopefully have the latest chat log up this week...Eric is gonna try and get the whole band involved on this one before their Tuesday nite gig...look for it in the Zilla Library then http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html ROBO From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Mon Feb 5 04:44:49 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 09:44:49 GMT Subject: HW reissues latest (LONG) Message-ID: Steve Swann wrote: > A remastered _ISoS_ with Born to Go, Silver Machine and Seven by Seven? > A remastered _Space Ritual_, with the live You Shouldn't Do That? > A remastered Doremi, under any circumstances? > > I don't think I've felt this giddy since I heard that Live Chronicles > was coming out on CD. Gotta agree, well sort of! I think this is excellent news and maybe EMI could give it a marketing push. There are thousands of people who were into HW back then who now own CD players and might be keen to buy these. Could be a real fillip for their career - after all it worked for Zeppelin! > > They won't be mid-price though, expect to pay full price for these ones. > > Fuck it, I'm writing the check already. :-) Me too! However I noticed at the w/e that the *Yes* remasters are mid-price as are the King Crimson ones. I wonder if record companies have a pricing policy here - there are also 15 Sabbath remasters due out this year and my bank manager is quaking already :-) Chris From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Mon Feb 5 04:49:29 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 09:49:29 GMT Subject: All the Aces Message-ID: Carl wrote: > Well, it might not be self-centered. I wouldn't link Lemmy's > departure directly to a perceived decline, but I would agree with him > that HW went downhill after he left. I mean when its a choice between > Space Ritual, HotMG, and Warrior or ASAM, QS&C, PXR5 .... I'll take the > first, despite there being some excellent and classic tracks on the > latter three. No way! I much prefer Quark to Space Ritual, and I think ASAM has some of their best musicianship. Lemmy is a great bass player and I wish he'd been replaced by a sound-a-like, after all they improved a fair bit once Alan Davey replaced Harvey on bass. This because AD just fits into the driving style of the band more. Chris From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Feb 5 07:27:51 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 07:27:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Simon King Message-ID: Whatever happened to Simon King? Last I heard he was supposed to be starting a band called "Turbo", circa 1981, but that never happened (to my knowledge). Anyone got any info? - Andy BTW, the Ramones *were* loud! 1-2-3-4...! From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 5 07:58:03 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 07:58:03 EST Subject: Big Mistakes Message-ID: > On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > > > Esp. like 'Lips.' Haven't BOC been doing that one live lately? > > theo > > > > They did it live when I saw them last week. It was the first time I'd > seen it live, too. > > Brenda The first [and last] time I saw it was during the CE tour! theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 5 08:34:41 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:34:41 +0000 Subject: All the Aces In-Reply-To: <199602050949.JAA02462@neptune.shef.ac.uk> from "Chris Bates" at Feb 5, 96 09:49:29 am Message-ID: > > Well, it might not be self-centered. I wouldn't link Lemmy's > > departure directly to a perceived decline, but I would agree with him > > that HW went downhill after he left. I mean when its a choice between > > Space Ritual, HotMG, and Warrior or ASAM, QS&C, PXR5 .... I'll take the > > first, despite there being some excellent and classic tracks on the > > latter three. > > No way! I much prefer Quark to Space Ritual, and I think ASAM has > some of their best musicianship. Ah, I knew I could rely on boc-l to come up with counter-opinions on Hawkwind! ;) Always does :) > Lemmy is a great bass player and > I wish he'd been replaced by a sound-a-like, after all they improved > a fair bit once Alan Davey replaced Harvey on bass. This because > AD just fits into the driving style of the band more. I'm definately in agreement there. Alan Davey is, after Lemmy, the bass player best suited to Hawkwind that they've had. Ade Shaw was alright, Paul Rudolph was dull, Dave Anderson didn't do much for me, and Harvey was ... best relegated to keyboards! :) ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 5 08:37:36 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:37:36 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: All the Aces In-Reply-To: <9602050757.AA03137@etlxd20c> from "Rob Stuckey" at Feb 5, 96 07:57:05 am Message-ID: > > On the other hand the On Parole Motorhead as the cool motorbike > > sounds at the start, and the studio track from the first released Motorhead > > album has that unspeakble guitar screeching towards the end, which is > > quite good ... > > This rings a bell, is this the version which is on Motorhead's > 'Motorhead' single I think I've got a very scratched copy of this > somewhere. Is which the what where? I'm referring to two different recordings of the song "Motorhead" by the band. I don't think that the song was released as a single by Motorhead until the time of their first album release (this would be the second of the versions I mention above, with Fast Eddie on guitar). The "motorbike sounds" version was recorded earlier but released later. Cheers, Carl From brendah at MBAY.NET Mon Feb 5 09:30:11 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:30:11 -0800 Subject: Heavy Metal Message-ID: Jean Lansford wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Brenda Holloway wrote: > > >I'm there! I'd still like to see "Vengeance: The Pact" played! (Actually, I'd > >like to see the BOC songs credited in Bad Channels that weren't actually > >in the movie!) > > What songs were those, Brenda? They're in the credits; but not played and not on the album; next time I rent themovie I'll write them down... I thought I had the titles memorized, but I guess I didn't. Brenda --- []]]]]]]] Brenda Holloway brendah at mbay.net [[[[[[[[] [[ ]]]]]] Sony New Technologies, Monterey, CA [[[[[[ ]] [[[ ]]]] http://www.sonysoft.com/brenda/ [[[[ ]]] [[[[ ]]] http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ [[[ ]]]] [[[[[ ] C Coder. C Coder Run. Run, Coder, Run. [ ]]]]] From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Feb 7 12:15:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 09:15:00 PST Subject: BOC-L Digest - Digest Comments Message-ID: Digestable comments: What was it 9 shows in 8 cities in 10 days? Small wonder the guys are even awake. This schedule reads like an NBA team on an an extended road trip. Imagine the band will be taking some time off real soon just to catch up on some sleep. Interesting that the bands set last longer in some venues than others. The last two times I have seen them the sets were between 60-80 mins. max. Just wish my favorite venue would stop booking so many openeing acts and let the boys play about two hours. AOF - Don't think this is a strange mix of songs. Was the first album that showed the band was capable of playing a wide variety of music, hard, soft, mellow, jazzy AOF has it all. 1st 3 and remastering - I pray that one day Sony/Legacy (whotever) would have the wisdom to remaster the first three recordings. I ignored 3 pak because I already had ST and none of this stuff was remastered. They didn't do it for WoTT, they didn't do it for 3 pak.....shame. Sound quality on these cd's while better than Live 76 could use an overhaul, imagine how many young fans the band could attract if they could hear these 70's songs with 90's technology. Help from HW finds - Nik Turner Warriors on the Edge of Time. Thumbs Up or Down? RR, Sonic Assasin? Ship? Spreading the Disease (thanks to Torgo) AB From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Mon Feb 5 09:55:17 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:55:17 -0600 Subject: vinyl aid In-Reply-To: <01I0RB0E72BM9BX3MC@delphi.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Feb 1996 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > Yeah, and even those hydrophonic Secret Treaties (which I > thought were some sort of collector's items) are going for just > a couple bucks... It breaks my heart when I see my favorite > bands being sold so cheap...but it also saves me money, so I > can't complain. > > Chuck > hydrohonic? funny mine sounds like shit underwater? judt kidding don't you mean quadraphonic? speaking of quads- check out the quadrajets- local auburn al band on sympathy for the record industry label - pretty cool stuff raw and loud kind of like greaser blues distorted car songs -mike psyche From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Mon Feb 5 10:15:53 1996 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:15:53 GMT Subject: OFF: Re: All the Aces Message-ID: > Is which the what where? I'm referring to two different recordings >of the song "Motorhead" by the band. I don't think that the song was >released as a single by Motorhead until the time of their first album >release (this would be the second of the versions I mention above, with >Fast Eddie on guitar). The "motorbike sounds" version was recorded >earlier but released later. That's correct. The single was released before the album though and (on my equipment) sounds a lot better on the 12-inch single. Alun > >Cheers, >Carl > > From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Feb 5 11:01:38 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:01:38 +0100 Subject: BOC-L Digest - Digest Comments Message-ID: >Help from HW finds - Nik Turner Warriors on the Edge of Time. Thumbs Up or >Down? RR, Sonic Assasin? Ship? ???? Is there a CD out with Uncle Nik entitled "Warrior on the Edge of Time"? If it's the Hawkwind album from 1975 - it's a gem! First two tracks on the Hawkwind album is "Assault & Battery / Golden Void", which was voted as #1 and #2 in the Best Track Poll on BOC-l last year :0) If it's not, please supply more info! >AB \\joe From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 5 11:59:41 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 16:59:41 GMT Subject: HW: reissues In-Reply-To: Tel 01625 515603's message of Sat, 3 Feb 1996 03:58:34 -0500 Message-ID: Tel 01625 515603 writes: > Oh dear , l'm going to reveal my ignorance here ! Who's Robert > Anton Wilson? Ask any Friend of Fernando Poo ;-) FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 5 12:03:56 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:03:56 GMT Subject: HW: '81 gig dates In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Sat, 3 Feb 1996 19:04:27 GMT Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > Mike and Bernard discuss '81 dates: > > > > > >In the gigs list you sent me you list Glastonbury '81 as occuring the > > > >night before Stonehenge '81. You have these in the wrong order. I'm > > > >certain of this because we cycled from one gig to the other that year. > > > > > > > Are these the right dates?? > > > > > > > > > STONEHENGE 20.06.1981 > > > GLASTONBURY 21.06.1981 > > > > > I think it was 21st and 22nd. I'm fairly sure Stonhenge gig was on the > > Solstice. > > > > Curiously I've got a Glastonbury CND Festival tape that's dated > 20 June 1981 - is that not the date on the official CND tape as well?? > > Actually, now I come to look, all the other tapelists I've got have this > date too..... 8-? > > Are you *sure* you didn't cycle from Glastonbury to Stonehenge? The > 21st June 1981 was a Sunday, if that helps. Would you not have been > heading back to work in time for Monday? I hadn't started working yet. I was at Stonehenge while Graduating "In Absentia". But yeah, we were at Glastonbury on the Sunday night. I have a strong memory of that because it's the last time I made love with a certain young lady. So since we cycled from Stonehenge to Glastonbury, I guess that makes it Stonehenge on the 19th and Glastonbury on the 20th. FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 5 12:05:20 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:05:20 GMT Subject: HW: '81 gig dates In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Sun, 4 Feb 1996 10:42:10 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hello > > > I have got here a programme from the GLASTONBURY CND festival > dated 19th, 20th, 21th June 1981, Worthy Farm, Somerset > > HAWKWIND's gig is dated on 20.06.1981 (Saturday) between 11.00h and 12.00h > (not sure if morning or evening). Mike?? Definitely the evening. I accidentally started a riot at that one :-( I even got written up in NME :-) > Bernhard FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 5 12:07:15 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:07:15 GMT Subject: HW: '81 gig dates In-Reply-To: Martyn Lawrence's message of Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:50:44 EST Message-ID: Martyn Lawrence writes: > > > > Hello > > > > > > I have got here a programme from the GLASTONBURY CND festival > > dated 19th, 20th, 21th June 1981, Worthy Farm, Somerset > > > > HAWKWIND's gig is dated on 20.06.1981 (Saturday) between 11.00h and 12.00h > > (not sure if morning or evening). Mike?? > > > They played on the Saturday night it was roughly around that time,I think New > Order or the Cure played before them. Definitely Sunday (it's the last night of the festival and as I said, I have other more personal reasons for remembering that evening). New Order played after Hawkwind and after the 20 minute riot. > I also heard that they had played 'henge the night before ,but that was only > hearsay. They did. I was there. FoFP From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Mon Feb 5 12:29:26 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:29:26 EST Subject: BOC-L Digest - Digest Comments / Set length Message-ID: > Interesting that the bands set last longer in some venues than > others. The last two times I have seen them the sets were between 60-80 > mins. max. Just wish my favorite venue would stop booking so many openeing > acts and let the boys play about two hours. ` Uh, are you saying that the boys would play longer but that it's not in their control?? 60 mins is getting close to Ramone's pace. RR From brian at WEBGENESIS.COM Mon Feb 5 12:40:08 1996 From: brian at WEBGENESIS.COM (Brian Moseley) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:40:08 -0500 Subject: HW: reissues Message-ID: >Tel 01625 515603 writes: > >> Oh dear , l'm going to reveal my ignorance here ! Who's Robert >> Anton Wilson? > >Ask any Friend of Fernando Poo ;-) Signed, Ezra Pound Committee for Fair Play for Bad Ass ----------------------------------------------- Brian Moseley WebGenesis, Inc. brian at webgenesis.com 607.255.2067 "The trouble with life is that, unlike movies, it doesn't have background music. We never know how we're supposed to feel." --- Lewis Gardner From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Feb 5 12:39:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:39:00 EST Subject: HW: A GLASTONBURY riot? Message-ID: OK, I want to hear about the riot. Any other more titillating personal experiences would be nice too, but that's probably pushing it. Rudy From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Feb 5 13:26:39 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:26:39 -0500 Subject: HW: '81 gig dates Message-ID: >Definitely the evening. I accidentally started a riot at that one :-( > >I even got written up in NME :-) > >> Bernhard > >FoFP Come on, Mike, don't leave us hangin'. Tell us more! Martyn From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 5 13:48:19 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:48:19 +0000 Subject: HW: '81 gig dates In-Reply-To: <9602051826.AA08500@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Feb 5, 96 01:26:39 pm Message-ID: > >Definitely the evening. I accidentally started a riot at that one :-( > >I even got written up in NME :-) Now _that's_ a Hawkwind collector's item! Cheers, Carl From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Feb 5 18:17:04 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:17:04 EST Subject: HW: help identifying tape 11/5/80 Message-ID: I received a tape during my usual trading that may be labeled incorrectly, and I would like some of our resident experts to help shed some light. My friend had this tape listed as "St.Albans 11/5/80". The tape is about 80 minutes long, and contains the exact set list that was used at the Treforest Town Hall 11/5/80 show (courtesy of Bernhard, once again!). There is an also identifying tape cut during the drum solo in the middle of "Brainstorm". My question is, is Treforest Town Hall some alternate name for St.Albans? Or were any other shows from the same tour (that have the same set list) in some venue in or near St.Albans? If Treforest has nothing to do with St.Albans, I still need to identify whether this tape is really the Treforest 11/5/80 show, or a different one from the same period/tour. Any and all help is appreciated, of course... ;-) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Feb 5 18:28:46 1996 From: kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM (joel wendrow) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:28:46 -0800 Subject: The Ripper with BOC music Message-ID: comp. cd-game called the Ripper. It features music by our fav. band BOC. I have to tell you that I am drooling to get my hands on the full game. The opening sequence starts with DFtR and it sounds great. There is a great deal of mooddy music in the background as the demo played. I am pretty sure that it is all BOC stuff but I will have to wait for the full ver. to be released to know for sure. I hear it is going to be in the stores Feb 23 1996. I'll let you know more when I know more. Joel P.S. Am I the only one who doesn't like "I like you in black"? Just wondering. From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Feb 6 12:08:05 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:08:05 EST Subject: HW: '81 gig dates In-Reply-To: <9602051707.aa25317@uk.ac.ed.castle>; from "M Holmes" at Feb 5, 96 05:07:15 pm Message-ID: Hi Mike > > Definitely Sunday (it's the last night of the festival and as I said, I > have other more personal reasons for remembering that evening). New > Order played after Hawkwind and after the 20 minute riot. > gotta disagree ,it was definitely saturday night,cos Gong played sunday arvo and I think gordon giltrap followed them,the headliner in the evening was taj mahal ,and on the friday Ginger Baker and Roy Harper had their little tiff. I remember that blake was supposed to be playing,he was listed in sounds for the event,but he didn't make it for some reason.I knew someone who went in 79 or 80 when he played a solo set ,it was awesome apparently. So what this about the riot,I was standing near the mixing desk,for about half of the hawks set,then retired to the tent,since my ex-missus was quite ill, something she must of ate I suppose. regards Marty From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Mon Feb 5 23:13:03 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 23:13:03 -0500 Subject: Tape Aid Message-ID: >If Boris can play cassettes, I could dub a few live shows and send them to >him... I don't know he doesn't say. Al From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Mon Feb 5 23:13:09 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 23:13:09 -0500 Subject: The FAQ's ma'am Message-ID: >Ed speculates >Cool interpretations, Ed. Perhaps if Albert has time he can provide >some more insight on this. The real person to ask would be Sandy >Pearlman of course, since he composed most of the Imaginos lyrics, >while Al was the genius behind most of the music - although I think >Al has a pretty good handle on the whole concept, so maybe he can add >some insight on these wacky lyrics indeed. >John queries: Lately I've read many divergent interpretations of these old songs. I think it's all OK. I'm not the thought police. Maybe it wasn't exactly what we had in mind but it' still cool. Work it! Al From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Feb 6 00:09:05 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 00:09:05 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gong Message-ID: If you wanna catch Blake with Gong it might be wise to catch the East Coast shows, as there is a rumor goin round he won't be on the entire tour. Whos goin to the NYC shows? regards, Bill Stewart From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 6 08:00:51 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:00:51 GMT Subject: HW: '81 gig dates In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:26:39 -0500 Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > >Definitely the evening. I accidentally started a riot at that one :-( > > > >I even got written up in NME :-) > > > >> Bernhard > > > >FoFP > > Come on, Mike, don't leave us hangin'. Tell us more! The basics of it are that we were right down the front leaning against the metal pyramid that was the stage. The Hawks were playing a few feet above where we were standing. Anyway, Brock announced that he had a lasers and fireworks show for the encore. After an hour of their set however, they were told to come off so that New Order could set up and play. There was a limit to how late the last band could play. Not unnaturally some of us were disappointed and started up a "hawkwind, Hawkwind..." chant. In accompanyment, I started banging my cider flagon against the metal pyramid. On realising that this made a good punctuation to the chant, everyone else at the front did the same. God alone knows what it must have sounded like *inside* the pyramid base where the band and others were. Imagine putting a biscuit tin over your head and having Simon King play drums on it. After about 20 minutes, the organisers must have got together several site crew and security who came rushing round the front of the pyramid to encourage us to desist. I beat a hasty retreat at this point and was ultimately lured towards a van from which the strains of "Blake's New Jerusalem" were wafting and people cirled round a fire were passing a strange pipe between them. When New Order came on I ended up lying under an eletricity pylon watching the lasers glint off the metal of the structure before retiring to the tent and a friendly welcome from my then SO. Rather a nice evening all in all. I'm still pretty convinced that it was a Sunday but I do have the official CND tape of the event so I'll check the date on the cover. > Martyn FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 6 08:06:22 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:06:22 GMT Subject: HW: '81 gig dates In-Reply-To: Martyn Lawrence's message of Tue, 6 Feb 1996 12:08:05 EST Message-ID: Martyn Lawrence writes: > Hi Mike > > > > Definitely Sunday (it's the last night of the festival and as I said, I > > have other more personal reasons for remembering that evening). New > > Order played after Hawkwind and after the 20 minute riot. > > > > gotta disagree ,it was definitely saturday night,cos Gong played sunday arvo > and I think gordon giltrap followed them,the headliner in the evening was > taj mahal ,and on the friday Ginger Baker and Roy Harper had their little tiff. > I remember that blake was supposed to be playing,he was listed in sounds for > the event,but he didn't make it for some reason.I knew someone who went in 79 > or 80 when he played a solo set ,it was awesome apparently. Actually, I seem to remember that a lot of the fuss my SO made about which train station we cycled to centred around an interview for a job in France she had to attend. Possibly we had to travel on the Sunday in order to get her back for the Monday. That would explain the fuss about train stations since trains are rare on Sundays and also why I remember Hawkwind playing on the "last" night. As I said, I have the official tape so I can easily confirm. > So what this about the riot See other post. > I was standing near the mixing desk,for about half > of the hawks set,then retired to the tent,since my ex-missus was quite ill, > something she must of ate I suppose. I think there was a lot of it about. We accidentally drank a flagon of scrumpy between us, amongst other things and I kept collapsing to the deck during the Hawkwind set. A nice chap behind us kept assisting me back to my feet. It turned out that he was an NME reporter and he wrote a nice article about the demented Hawkwind fan "standing" in front of him. What's the statute of limitations on riot and affray again? ;-) > regards > > Marty FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 6 08:41:44 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:41:44 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - Digest Comments / Set length In-Reply-To: <9602051729.AA02881@zeal> from "ross.reyes" at Feb 5, 96 12:29:26 pm Message-ID: > > Interesting that the bands set last longer in some venues than > > others. The last two times I have seen them the sets were between 60-80 > > mins. max. Just wish my favorite venue would stop booking so many openeing > > acts and let the boys play about two hours. > > Uh, are you saying that the boys would play longer but that it's not > in their control?? 60 mins is getting close to Ramone's pace. Except than when Andy and Paul and I saw the Ramones last weekend they played nearly 90 minutes. What is the world coming to? The Ramones playing longer gigs than BOC _or_ Hawkwind! Cheers, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 6 10:15:55 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 10:15:55 -0500 Subject: KISS REUNION TOUR!!!!!!!! Message-ID: Well, I agree with Manuel that KISS has been "different" since Ace left. However, while Ace is on the cover of "Creatures of the Night", his input into that album was practically nil - Bruce Kulick did most of the guitar work (one of the reasons the cover on the album was later changed). John From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Feb 6 10:17:37 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 10:17:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gong In-Reply-To: <960206000859_313849222@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "Bill Stewart" at Feb 6, 96 00:09:05 am Message-ID: First, Bill gives us this piece of bad news: > > If you wanna catch Blake with Gong it might be wise to catch the East Coast > shows, as there is a rumor goin round he won't be on the entire tour. Whos > goin to the NYC shows? > regards, > Bill Stewart > But then, it gets worse, as I see this posting elsewhere.... :( ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Here's the actual, *real* (as in Daevid and Gilli bought their >tickets today so there's no turning back now) tour dates as of >today, via a friend involved in booking them. Apologies, I've spread some mis-information in my entusiastic haste to get the word out. First off, I should have mentioned the dates are all subject to change, and a few have already. The tour is definitely happening and I should have posted with a TOUR CONFIRMED header instead implying the dates all were. My biggest goof up was including Tim Blake's name though, as Tim isn't going to make it. He was on the tentative lineup last I heard of plans before posting the tour info and I mistakenly assumed he was in still going to be coming too. I'm sorry if I gave anyone a false impression Tim would be here, I believed and hoped he would be. It'll still be the only "classic:" Gong tour the US has ever seen. And I hear there a possibility that if the turnout is good that may help book some other cities in a future tour. If there ever is another tour. Here's the corrected dates as of now. Note the shuffling of Boston dates, the possible Montreal gig at a club that's hedging and could use some local support, no shows in Ashland or New Haven now and a possible flux in the SF showdates too. >Tour Dates: all in March 1996 > 1, 2 Quebec City - La Salle JP Tardiff 3rd (was Boston - Johnny D's -- was tentative, now gone!) cancelled, possible Montreal show at Club Soda, call them to urge it to happen! see other Boston date below... 4th New Haven - Toad's (was tentative, looks not happening now...) 5th NYC - Bottom Line 6th Boston -- Mama ??? (some club owned by Aerosmith) I guessing Mama Kin here....Keith H. 7th Alexandria, VA -- the BirchMere (near Wash DC) 8th Baltimore MD 8x10 9th Cleveland - Odeon Now at the ODEON not Agora 10th Chicago Cubby Bear, tix on sale now 11th Milwaukie - the Shank Hall 13th Kansas City Missouri - The Drum Room 15th Denver - The Mercury Cafe 16th Seattle - Backstage 17th Portland, Oregon Berbetties cancelled 18th Ashland, OR (CANCELLED!) 18th - 19th San Francisco - Great American Music Hall 20th Los Angeles Luna Park end of tour BTW, there were apparently some tentative explorations of booking shows this tour in Austin, so Texas was considered but apparently there wasn't sufficent interest. Maybe next time. There were a lot of cities they would have liked to fit into this tour but couldn't. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ end forwarded message Do all the cool bands have to have these same problems??? Well, I'll still get to see a nearly complete Gong, although without Blake, it'll be missing something I think. Wonder who will take over on synth... Well, at least I won't be having to drive all the way to NY now... :) Keith H. From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Tue Feb 6 10:59:48 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 16:59:48 +0100 Subject: HW: help identifying tape 11/5/80 Message-ID: Hello > My question is, is Treforest Town Hall some alternate name for > St.Albans? Or were any other shows from the same tour (that have > the same set list) in some venue in or near St.Albans? If > Treforest has nothing to do with St.Albans, I still need to > identify whether this tape is really the Treforest 11/5/80 show, or > a different one from the same period/tour. A very difficult question. I am also looking for the right answer. What I know for sure is: - the tapes from ST.ALBANS and TREFOREST are absolute identical - TREFOREST never appeared on advertisments for the 1980 tour - ST ALBANS appeared on advertisments for the 1980 tour - I have the TREFOREST tape (and venue) from ADRIAN PARR - but his TREFOREST tape was identical to my ST ALBANS tape!! ADRIAN PARR has listed this TREFOREST tape on 07.11.1980. But this can't be right because HAWKWIND do not play DANGEROUS VISION on this tape, but in CHELMSFORD the night before and in DONCASTER 3 days later the played this track. Bernhard From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Feb 8 16:52:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:52:00 PST Subject: BOC-L Digest - Eatables Message-ID: I asked >Help from HW finds - Nik Turner Warriors on the Edge of Time. Thumbs Up or Down? RR, Sonic Assasin? Ship? >???? >Is there a CD out with Uncle Nik entitled "Warrior on the Edge of Time"? >If it's the Hawkwind album from 1975 - it's a gem! >First two tracks on the Hawkwind album is "Assault & Battery / Golden Void", >which was voted as #1 and #2 in the Best Track Poll on BOC-l last year :0) >If it's not, please supply more info! >\\joe Well Joe I'm pretty sure that is the title and it does say Nik Turner not Hawkwind. Saw it in a store called Convergence Records (they advertise the Ozric Tentacles collection as the best in the area). Will double check for sure cause I got some off line responses on this and everyone seems pretty confused on the title. About BOC set lenghts- >Uh, are you saying that the boys would play longer but that it's not >in their control?? 60 mins is getting close to Ramone's pace. >RR Tis true. While Jaxx is my favorite dive for seeing a band, twice now they have scheduled 3 opening acts for BOC. Local jurisdiction requires the club to be cleared by 2:00 am. At the last show a band called Frankie and the Actions were delayed about 20 minutes before starting there set. This 20 minute delay cost BOC fans at least 2 omissions from the set list and an unplanned single encore of BTBW, with Harley on stage (I know this cause I walked off with the written setlist.) Was a good show but the headliner should never get shafted for scheduling mistakes. Frankie and his Band were damn good when they started playing though, hell my buddy even suggested that they waxed BOC. Too many beers for that guy. AB From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Feb 6 17:16:48 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 16:16:48 -0600 Subject: BOC-L Digest - Eatables In-Reply-To: <3117C1DB@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, BREVARD Adrian R. wrote: > >Is there a CD out with Uncle Nik entitled "Warrior on the Edge of Time"? > > Well Joe I'm pretty sure that is the title and it does say Nik Turner not > Hawkwind. Saw it in a store called Convergence Records (they advertise the > Ozric Tentacles collection as the best in the area). Will double check for > sure cause I got some off line responses on this and everyone seems pretty > confused on the title. It could be "Prophets of Time" instead of "Warriors on the Edge of Time". Seems plausible anyway. Damon Capehart | The Society of Physics Students at UTD dcapehar at utdallas.edu | (yes, even though I'm actually a math major) From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Feb 6 17:41:31 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 17:41:31 EST Subject: HW: anyone seen offshoot releases? Message-ID: Looking thru some UK literature recently, I caught references to a couple of HW-offshoots that I have yet to see in the USA. Apparently Harvey Bainbridge's Alman Mulo Band "Orisha" has been issued on CD. I think originally this was a cassette-only issue (correct?) that predated "Afrodiziac". Also, Huwy's album "River Run" has been out for a year(?). I vaguely remember someone on BOC-L mentioning it, but I promptly forgot about it. :-( Anyways, anybody pick up either of these yet? How about anybody in the USA? Any stores that currently have either/both titles in stock? Reviews? Inquiring bank books want to know... :-) :-( Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Feb 6 19:04:34 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 17:04:34 -0700 Subject: KISS REUNION TOUR!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <199602061515.KAA05178@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > Well, I agree with Manuel that KISS has been "different" since Ace left. > However, while Ace is on the cover of "Creatures of the Night", his input > into that album was practically nil - Bruce Kulick did most of the guitar > work (one of the reasons the cover on the album was later changed). > > John > Actually, it was Bob Kulick (Bruce's older brother) and Vinnie Vincent that did most of the guitar work on Creatures of the Night. There's another BOC connection right there; E. Bloom worked with Bob for awhile in the late 80's on some project that never got off the ground. Bye.... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Feb 7 09:34:19 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:34:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: Back from the Cold! Message-ID: Gidday All! I'm back from my trip to the UK ...... I might wait until the jet lag wears off b4 I wade through my 734 mail messages! Thanks Andy & Carl for the Beers and the Ramone's gig. Thanks Stonehenge for just being there. Thanks Tower & HMV for Ozric's _Live Underslunky_, High Tide's _Sea Shanty_ and _High Tide_, House's _Yassassim_, Calvert's _Capt. Lockheed_, Eloy's _The Tides return forever_, and Hawkwind's _Friday Rock Show_, BBC Radio One_ and _California Brainstorm_. Sorry Maxine for forgetting to mail you b4 I left Oz .... I was in Liecester for two days (ooops!) Thanks Australia for being nice and warm when I got home! Later, Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Wed Feb 7 06:05:04 1996 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:05:04 GMT Subject: HW: help identifying tape 11/5/80 Message-ID: > My question is, is Treforest Town Hall some alternate name for > St.Albans? Or were any other shows from the same tour (that have > the same set list) in some venue in or near St.Albans? If > Treforest has nothing to do with St.Albans, I still need to > identify whether this tape is really the Treforest 11/5/80 show, or > a different one from the same period/tour. Treforest is effectively a suburb of Pontypridd, in South Wales, home of the University of Glamorgan and I would have thought a perfectly likely place for HW to play, though I don't know the Town Hall. Alun > > Any and all help is appreciated, of course... ;-) > > Captain Cloud > cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com > > From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 7 08:43:06 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:43:06 GMT Subject: HW: Lemmy interview Message-ID: Here's a message Jeremy Dacomb posted to the list a while back. However he didn't get any replies so he's asked me to resend it just in case anyone can help! thanks all jill ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > Received: from e-mail.com by castle.ed.ac.uk id aa10446; 6 Feb 96 20:42 GMT > Received: from csc-shirley.e-mail.com by E-MAIL.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) > with BSMTP id 4243; Tue, 06 Feb 96 15:41:12 EST > Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 15:41:13 EST > From: dacombj at csc-shirley.e-mail.com > To: J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Subject: HW MH > Message-ID: <9602062042.aa10446 at uk.ac.ed.castle> > Status: RO > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Subject: HW MH interview tape. > > Hi, > Does anyone know of the existance of a tape of a radio interview > with Lemmy in about 1979? > It was a phone-in programme & lasted about an hour. > I remember Lemmy talking about roadieing for Hendrix / being > thrown out of HW / the wearing of Swastikas on stage / about > some fan jumping of a balcony at a gig etc etc. ---- End of forwarded text ---- ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Wed Feb 7 09:29:09 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:29:09 +0000 Subject: OTNOOYK Message-ID: I've forgotten! I'm wearing the Nethawks t-shirt and this guy comes up to me and says "Whatzitallaboutthen".... I can't remember what the reference is to with respect to "On the net or on your knees" - think it's a BOC reference to an Album (whose name I have forgotten also) so can someone e-mail me with the full blown explanation... or any humourous guesses! Maxine The night shall be filled with music And the cares that infest the day mxw at dmu.ac.uk Shall fold their tents like the Arabs http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw/ And as silently steal away. Honda CB250 RS H.W. Longfellow From kenneth.drew.3 at ND.EDU Wed Feb 7 10:54:08 1996 From: kenneth.drew.3 at ND.EDU (Ken Drew) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 09:54:08 -0600 Subject: BOC: Astronomy promo CD available Message-ID: Hey BOC fans: For the completist out there: I have a promo copy of Astronomy from the Imaginos album. This promo CD contains the Steven King introductions. There are 4 versions (2 edits, 2 fulls, one edit and one full has the S. King intro). Interested? Send your bid to me at: kdrew at nd.edu I will sell this by the end of Feb. (earlier if bids cease) Don't want to bid? Here's a deal for you: for $30 (plus s/h $3) you get the Astonomy promo CD and the Cult Classic CD. Let me know. Thanks! KEN (kdrew at nd.edu) ----------------------------------------------------------- *The Beat Farmers : WWW page at: * *http://www.ucsd.edu/sdam/artists/bf/ * *Webb Wilder : check these guys out! * ----------------------------------------------------------- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 7 10:07:18 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:07:18 EST Subject: OTNOOYK Message-ID: > > I've forgotten! > > I'm wearing the Nethawks t-shirt and this guy comes up to me and says > "Whatzitallaboutthen".... I can't remember what the reference is to with > respect to "On the net or on your knees" - think it's a BOC reference to > an Album (whose name I have forgotten also) so can someone e-mail me with > the full blown explanation... or any humourous guesses! > > Maxine > > The night shall be filled with music > And the cares that infest the day mxw at dmu.ac.uk > Shall fold their tents like the Arabs http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw/ > And as silently steal away. Honda CB250 RS > H.W. Longfellow Maxine, The first BOC live album was entitled 'On Your Feet Or On Your Knees,' a line repeated on the album during the introduction to 'Born to be Wild,' attributed in the iner notes to 'Miss Carol Dodd.' theo From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Feb 7 11:35:43 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:35:43 -0500 Subject: Important! BOC Lyric Copyrights and the WWW, FTP Message-ID: hi there...I abhor being the messenger of such news...I recall this happened to a fellow on the list that had a Hawkwind Site w/ lyrics on it...I have 2 messages from El Presidente Bolle Gregmar to share with you: Subj: Lyrics Date: 96-02-06 05:51:55 EST From: TUBULAR 1 To: ROBODUDE Hey Robo, Just got some disturbing news in regards to the Lyrics that you are posting them on the WWW??? This is not an OK issue at all. There are many laws you are breaking by posting them, but the main issue of course is the copyright problems I will face from Warner Bros. seeing how stiff they are on such subjects. If you are in deed posting them. Please remove them with the excuse that you are not allowed to post copyright material without proper licensing (Which runs somewhere around $200 per song I think...) Not sure, it all depends on the individual owner of the written works. Please get back to me on this and let me know the reality of the rumours I heard.... BOLLE_!_? _______________________________________________________________________ ok, now anyone that has visited the Underbelly knows that there aren't any lyrics posted there...I may be violating copyrights of the articles I post there, but hey - isn't it the same concept if I were to rip an article about BOC out of a magazine and show it to my friends? I'm not even making money on the Web site, nor am I selling advertising space... the site that has the lyrics is the BOC-L ftp site...I even asked if the TABLATURE was in violation with copyrights and Bolle said it was... read on: Subj: Re: Lyrics Date: 96-02-07 07:22:57 EST From: TUBULAR 1 To: ROBODUDE The reality here is still very serious so the FTP printing has got to be eliminated from the WWW pages. This is a serious law suit on our behalf as we actually negotiated and payed for our rights to print up 500 copies of the lyrics, but once we get onto TV or Computer world, we're in immediate danger of severe law suits as being the Fan club that distributed these works.... Please help us out on what we can do on this subject. Also, I actually need to talk to you, so please give me a call asap so we can establish a more serious connection between the two of us... BOLLE_!_? ________________________________________________________ I will hopefully get in contact with Bolle this evening...so if anyone has questions or comments I could bring those up... my fear that if even the tablature isn't allowed to be posted to the ftp sites, what about the OLGA at Nevada which has literally thousands of tablature posted? BOC tabs are posted there as well... why are interpretations of BOC lyrics and tablature violations of copyright? I would hate to see any of this removed from the Net, but I would hate more for Bolle to be accountable for it... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Feb 7 11:37:21 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 11:37:21 -0500 Subject: BOC: Astronomy promo CD available Message-ID: how bout $15 for the Astro CD? ROBO From brian at WEBGENESIS.COM Wed Feb 7 12:59:54 1996 From: brian at WEBGENESIS.COM (Brian Moseley) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:59:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Reissues??? Message-ID: Can somebody repost the reissue info that was floating around not too long ago? a) I am trying to get the ordering info for my local record store and b) I just picked up "in search of space" but if it's part of the reissues, i'd rather take this copy back and get the reissue instead... so i want to open it but don't quite dare... :) HELP ME NOW -brian ----------------------------------------------- Brian Moseley WebGenesis, Inc. brian at webgenesis.com 607.255.2067 "Life is but a Marlboro...lit and smoked and then stamped out." -- me. ha. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Feb 7 13:49:39 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:49:39 -0500 Subject: HW: Reissues??? Message-ID: >HELP ME NOW > >-brian The reissues won't happen until March. Watch this space Martyn From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 7 14:04:49 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:04:49 GMT Subject: HW: Cleveland show - UStour 95 Message-ID: Has anyone got a full tracklist for the gig that Hawkwind did at the Agora, Cleveland during their tour? I seem to have a strange silence from Assasins of Allah to the end of the tape and with only the encore on the other side I think something may be missing 8-( thanks jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Wed Feb 7 15:34:48 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:34:48 EST Subject: Calling Deb and Al Message-ID: The Student Activities Board at my school (Alfred U) are considering bands to play next semester and I submitted The Brain Surgeons as a possibility. They were interested and asked if there was a number they could reach you at. I gave them the Cellsum address but I didn't want to give out your e-mail addresses (which I forgot anyway ;) If you could send me a # or your e-mail address that would be great. If not, I'll tell them they should write to Cellsum. In the meantime I'm going to let them borrow Eponymous, Trepanation and COC to get an idea of what you sound like. God, I hope this happens! Brian From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 7 15:36:35 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:36:35 -0500 Subject: Important! BOC Lyric Copyrights and the WWW, FTP Message-ID: ROBO (and any others that care to listen): I have brought this issue up on BOC-L before -- note that I always refer to the lyrics in the BOC-L archives (both in this forum and in the FAQ) as being "unofficial" - and came about by BOC fans trying to figure out what the lyrics were (and I also refer to the fanclub for the "official" lyrics). My belief (and please ask Bolle about this - we had a form of this conversation when I was starting the FAQ) is that as long as the lyric archives are not direct copies of the official lyrics, and that the archives indicate this, then I don't know think that there is a copyright violation. For instance, if I listen to "Godzilla" on the radio and write down what I believe to be the lyrics, is that a copyright violation? Even if my "guess" is 100% correct? Now, I don't claim to fully understand such law - perhaps this IS a violation? By providing a link to the BOC-L archives, I find it difficult to belive that YOU (aka ROBO) are breaking the law - are you responsible for for the content of every site which your page links to? I seriously doubt that *Bolle* could be in any legal trouble due to the BOC-L archive. *He* didn't put the lyrics there, and he didn't authorize anyone else to do so. How does anyone not know that the lyric files were originally typed in by members of the band? I'm not saying they are (and I'm pretty sure they're not) - my point is that some individual (or individuals) created those files completely independent of Bolle's activity with the "official" lyric book, and without his knowledge. I can not believe Bolle has any liability to make sure that no-one in the world types down any BOC lyrics. As far as TABs go, I'm also a little confused -- I know of no published BOC TABs (when I say published, I mean in a book). Any existing files of BOC TABs have to have been completely made up by some one (i.e. not copied from some "official" source). Again, if writing down what I think I hear as lyrics is o.k. (and I'm not 100% sure it is), then how can writing down how I think the chords should be played on a guitar? I will say one thing for sure -- there are hundreds of sites on the internet which either contain lyrics and/or tabs, or links to sites which do for numerous artists. The proliferation of the 'net and the web is making these sites and files more and more accessible to music fans everywhere. My guess is this is going to become a big issue, but I also don't see how anyone can realistically put a stop to it. Especially if my belief that "unofficial" lyrics/tabs are not illegal If they are, then maybe the music/publishing industry will somehow attempt a major sweep of the 'net to remove such stuff, but I seriously doubt it. (NOTE regarding lyrics in the BOC-L archives -- the Brain Surgeons' lyrics ARE in fact direct copies off the CD liner notes - however I received permission from Albert Bouchard and Deborah Frost to reproduce them, and those lyric files specifically state such -- so I know that those files are not illegal) Mind you, I am not trying to make light of this situation, and I certainly don't know all the legalities. But again, the archived lyric files of BOC songs were not supplied or authorized by the BOC fanclub. There are no "official" BOC tabs that could have been copied. I guess my questions that I would like you to bring up with Bolle (and if anyone here knows the answers, I'd love to hear them) are as follows: 1. Is writing down (either on paper or a word processor) what one thinks he/she hears (this goes for lyrics and music) a violation of copyright? 2. Are there any "strings attached" to the answer to question 1? For example, if a lyric file stated that it was not the official lyric, and only some person's (or group's) interpretation of what they believe the lyric to be, does that make a difference? 3. Who is responsible for verifying the content and copyright of any lyrics that are on a computer system accessible to the internet? 4. If a person creates a web page and puts links to other sites, is that person responsible for the content at all these other sites? 5. Are there any documented cases of issues such as these were someone was sued for copyright violation for either having such files or web pages as discussed in the above questions? John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 7 15:41:23 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:41:23 -0500 Subject: Important! BOC Lyric Copyrights and the WWW, FTP Message-ID: One more thing - let me take all of this copyright stuff to some further extremes . . . In many of my e-mails to people, I have a signature file with the lyrics to the first verse of "Cities on Flame". Many people have similar such signature files. Are all of us violating copyrights by doing this? And where does one draw the line? The whole song is out but you can reproduce one verse? You can't reproduce a verse but one sentence is o.k.? You can't reproduce a sentence but 2 words are o.k.? (Bolle often signs his letters, "Fantasy Domains" - is he violating a copyright?) I'm not trying to be flip here or anything. I seriously don't know the answers to these questions that I ask. John From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Feb 7 16:08:18 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:08:18 -0500 Subject: Important! BOC Lyric Copyrights and the WWW, FTP Message-ID: John wondered: >In many of my e-mails to people, I have a signature file with the lyrics >to the first verse of "Cities on Flame". Many people have similar >such signature files. Are all of us violating copyrights by doing >this? And where does one draw the line? There's a concept of "fair use" - I'm not sure *precisely* how it's defined - that allows you to quote passages for review purposes. Quoting for a .sig almost certainly comes under that. Arguably, Rob's magazine reviews that he puts on his web pages come under it too. (Whereas putting a whole issue of _Billboard_ on your page - should anyone want to do such a thing - would definitely be a violation.) I bet it's ok to publish lyrics files if (a) they're your own interpretation and (b) they're *wrong*... :) - Andy But I'm not thinking of that loss But only of the fact of loss And the distance between me And the bed of the ruby sea Thin White Rope, "The Ruby Sea" From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 7 16:10:36 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:10:36 EST Subject: Important! BOC Lyric Copyrights and the WWW, FTP Message-ID: > One more thing - let me take all of this copyright stuff to some > further extremes . . . > > In many of my e-mails to people, I have a signature file with the lyrics > to the first verse of "Cities on Flame". Many people have similar > such signature files. Are all of us violating copyrights by doing > this? And where does one draw the line? The whole song is out but you > can reproduce one verse? You can't reproduce a verse but one sentence > is o.k.? You can't reproduce a sentence but 2 words are o.k.? (Bolle > often signs his letters, "Fantasy Domains" - is he violating a copyright?) > > I'm not trying to be flip here or anything. I seriously don't know > the answers to these questions that I ask. > > John John, Isn't there a clause where one can quote a couple of lines, like for a record or concert review? Also, I know in the academic world, it's common practice to lift a paragraph here and there 'in the interests of academic pursuits.' Hell, I've had profs copy whole chapters from mmany books, have them bound together, and sold at the school bookstore! I think these are done at cost, more or less, but the copying service certainly profits on it--hey, they ain't workin' for free. what is the scoop? theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 7 16:11:59 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:11:59 EST Subject: Calling Deb and Al Message-ID: > > The Student Activities Board at my school (Alfred U) are considering > bands to play next semester and I submitted The Brain Surgeons as a > possibility. They were interested and asked if there was a number they > could reach you at. I gave them the Cellsum address but I didn't want to > give out your e-mail addresses (which I forgot anyway ;) > If you could send me a # or your e-mail address that would be great. > If not, I'll tell them they should write to Cellsum. In the meantime I'm > going to let them borrow Eponymous, Trepanation and COC to get an idea of > what you sound like. God, I hope this happens! > > Brian > God love ya, Brian. [And thanks for the tapes] I'm working on your end up here. theo From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Feb 7 16:56:03 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:56:03 -0500 Subject: RUSSIAN BOOTLEG ALERT Message-ID: Warning-- Ripe&Ready has told us that the guy who wrote to us may not really be such a dedicated fan but looking for stuff to sell- via the Russian mafia, currently involved in some of the most notorious bootlegging anywhere in the world. In fact, there are not many CD players-- one reason CDs aren't selling well. But CDs are easier to bootleg from. They go right to West Germany and stamp them out. So best to wait to see if anyone receives anything, as Boris promised, in return, before sending more stuff that instead of promoting love, peace and humanitarianism is, instead, helping promulugate one big rip-off. Just a word of caution. From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Feb 7 17:32:23 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 17:32:23 EST Subject: OFF: Sundial releases Message-ID: Knowing how the UK group SunDial has been a regular topic on BOC-L, I wanted to offer the following bits: - I have seen at least two 'net sellers listing a reissue of "Return Journey" being available. The only description I've seen said 'Limited pressing w/SAVAGE PENCIL art'. - Apparently there are 3 different CD-singles from SunDial. These are called "Fazer" (4 trax), "Overspill" (4 trax), and "Bad Drug/Fairground" (? trax). I am looking for a good deal on both "Return Journey" and "Other Way Out" on CD, and possibly the CD-singles too if someone wants to recommend them. Any trainspotters see what I'm looking for, please feel free to drop me an 'E. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Feb 7 21:00:28 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:00:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Lemmy interview Message-ID: On 7-FEB-1996 09:33:59.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Here's a message Jeremy Dacomb posted to the list a while back. However >he didn't get any replies so he's asked me to resend it just in case >anyone can help! >thanks all >jill >---- Start of forwarded text ---- >> Received: from e-mail.com by castle.ed.ac.uk id aa10446; 6 Feb 96 >20:42 GMT >> Received: from csc-shirley.e-mail.com by E-MAIL.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) >> with BSMTP id 4243; Tue, 06 Feb 96 15:41:12 EST >> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 15:41:13 EST >> From: dacombj at csc-shirley.e-mail.com >> To: J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> Subject: HW MH >> Message-ID: <9602062042.aa10446 at uk.ac.ed.castle> >> Status: RO >> >> >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> Subject: HW MH interview tape. >> >> Hi, >> Does anyone know of the existance of a tape of a radio interview >> with Lemmy in about 1979? >> It was a phone-in programme & lasted about an hour. >> I remember Lemmy talking about roadieing for Hendrix / being >> thrown out of HW / the wearing of Swastikas on stage / about >> some fan jumping of a balcony at a gig etc etc. >---- End of forwarded text ---- I don't know about that, but I have here an interview (or at least a clip of an interview) w/Lemmy where he mentions HW, but I just noticed that he says it's 16 years after he formed MH, so it obviously couldn't be from '79. I think it's from some box set or CD of rare tracks (such as Godzilla Akimbo, Hump On Your Back, Hootchie Cootchie Man, Dirty Love). I only have a dubbing of this, that's why I'm not sure. But I will type this out here for the interest of HW fans... "I got fired from Hawkwind. You know actually, HW was very similar to Motorhead. If you listen inside HW, there's a 3-piece rock band. You got all this dilelee and toot-toot on the top, but inside there's a rock band, a 3-piece rock 'n' roll band. I just wanted to be the MC5 really, I wanted to have a singer and two guitarists in the beginning. And then of course the singer gave it up and one of the guitarists couldn't get along with the other one; "It's MY solo", "No it's MINE", you know guitar players, so I ended up having to do the singing, ya know...Jesus...so we just ended up being a 3-piece. Everything in life is accidents, ya know what I mean? The whole thing. If you think about it, the only important parts of your life is an accident and everything that you plan is shit..." Always count on an interesting interview from the Lemmer, eh? HW a 3-piece rock 'n' roll band?? Not quite! Chuck `[1;36;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Feb 7 22:29:03 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:29:03 -0600 Subject: HW: Lemmy interview In-Reply-To: <01I0Y1WICSN69EDSU8@delphi.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Feb 1996 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > Always count on an interesting interview from the Lemmer, eh? HW a 3-piece > rock 'n' roll band?? Not quite! Well, for a while, a 3-piece if you don't include the sound guy playing all the sequences and stuff... a musician in his own respect, whoever he (they!) be. Damon Capehart | The Society of Physics Students at UTD dcapehar at utdallas.edu | (yes, even though I'm actually a math major) From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Feb 8 03:16:09 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:16:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Cleveland show - UStour 95 Message-ID: Hi Jill >Has anyone got a full tracklist for the gig that Hawkwind did at the >Agora, Cleveland during their tour? Here it is: 07.04.1995, CLEVELAND, AGORA (80 minutes) intro / master of the universe / you shouldn't do that / white zone / golden void / death trap / wastelands / iron dream / hassan i sahba / space is their / hassan I sahba / wave upon wave / robot / alien i am / vega / urban guerilla / silver machine / welcome / lsd Bernhard From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 7 12:46:55 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 17:46:55 GMT Subject: OTNOOYK Message-ID: (In reply to your message dated Wednesday 7, February 1996) I want a Nethawks T-shirt How long do I have to have been on the list before I've *earnt* one? Love, Jonny come-lately :-> -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ 25 years of social reform, ain't gonna make me change or make me conform. From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Thu Feb 8 04:44:21 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:44:21 GMT Subject: Important! BOC Lyric Copyrights and the WWW, FTP Message-ID: Andy said: > There's a concept of "fair use" - I'm not sure *precisely* how it's defined - > that allows you to quote passages for review purposes. [snip] > I bet it's ok to publish lyrics files if (a) they're your own interpretation > and (b) they're *wrong*... :) The internet, and particularly WWW pages, has rendered all laws on copyright obsolete IMO. For a start no-one has defined publishing in this new world. There are people who believe that by creating a web page or an e-zine they are publishers, well if that is so then copyright laws apply to them. There are others who view ftp sites as places in which information can be shared conveniently. I believe that BOC-L ftp site and OLGA would come under this heading, no income being generated from them. In effect by posting to such sites an individual can teach a song to many others very quickly. What those people do with that song is a different matter. Does anyone know how the Scientologists are doing in their use of the copyright laws to track down and silence *heretics*? Maybe there are lessons to be learned from that, which is effectively a test case. Chris From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Feb 8 04:58:20 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 10:58:20 +0100 Subject: HW: videos Message-ID: Hi folks Here are AFAIK all available official and not official (bootleg) videos from HAWKWIND (compilation videos are not listed !) TOWN HALL DATE TIME ===================================== Dunstable Civic Hall 07.07.72 2 Lodon MBS 14.09.77 3 Baden Baden Studio 14.02.81 10 Southampton Gaumont 25.10.81 95 Amsterdam Paradiso 23.03.82 15 Edinburgh Playh 21.10.82 100 Cricket St.Th Wildlife P 04.06.83 90 Ipswich Gaumont 09.03.84 55 Stonehenge Festival 20.06.84 40 Manchester Intern 10.02.85 70 London TV 16.04.85 10 Norwich Park 31.08.85 10 London H Odeon 03.12.85 55 Bristol Festival 20.06.86 5 Reading Festival 24.08.86 10 Preston Guild H 03.12.86 ? Bochum Zeche 31.05.87 90 Finsbury Park Acid Daze 23.08.87 75 Bridport Beehive 10.03.89 40 Treworgey Festival 29.07.89 85 Somerville East Cab 27.09.89 100 Santa Clara OSB 09.10.89 105 Nottingham TV 25.01.90 55 Bournemouth Academy 02.07.90 100 Washington Club 9:30 02.12.90 90 Cleveland Empire 06.12.90 60 Minneapolis Glam Sl 11.12.90 105 Los Angeles Lingerie 15.12.90 30 San Francisco I - Beam 17.12.90 95 Bochum Zeche 19.03.91 105 Goeteborg Magasin 28.09.91 75 Gimme Shelter Sessions 01.01.92 10 Hemel Pavillon 08.05.92 105 Cambridge Corn Ex 11.05.92 100 Brixton Academy 15.08.92 120 Pentrich Festival 31.07.93 20 Springfield Jaxx 08.04.95 80 Bochum Zeche 26.10.95 90 Is here someone who has got a video which appears n o t on this list ? Bernhard From m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK Thu Feb 8 09:56:55 1996 From: m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK (M.R.VARLEY) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:56:55 GMT+0 Subject: BOC tabs Message-ID: There is a BOC songbook available in the UK (at least there was in 1980) containing some music & guitar tabs to the early songs. The picture on the front is from the Some Enchanted Evening cover. I aslo believe that there used to be a songbook containing music to all songs from AOF & Spectres. From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Feb 8 05:23:28 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:23:28 +0100 Subject: HW: videos Message-ID: hi there, Bernhard >TOWN HALL DATE TIME >===================================== >Goeteborg Magasin 28.09.91 75 correct name of this HALL is "Magasinet" btw, what do you think of the Mantorp Ring info, that Henrik supplied us with :0) >Bernhard \\joe From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Thu Feb 8 05:20:00 1996 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 10:20:00 GMT Subject: Important! BOC Lyric Copyrights and the WWW, FTP Message-ID: Oh dear, copyright again! The thing about copyright is that although the law varies from country to country (and that in itself is interesting in the context of the Internet) basically almost anything you do is strictly speaking not allowed ... Lyrics archives will almost always be in breach of copyright unless the copyright owner's permission has been obtained. But it's not a hanging offence. The worst that is likely to happen to you is that you will have to take the lyrics off. If the copyright owner asked you to do so you would be a bit silly not to. Theoretically (in UK law at least) your equipment could be confiscated but this in practice would be extremely unlikely. You are unlikely to have to pay any damages unless the copyright owner can prove loss, which is improbable. I don't think that the fact that you had transcribed the lyrics yourself, possibly inaccurately, would be a defence. In fact, recent UK copyright legislation introduced the concept of "moral rights" which you might conceivably be in breach of by "tampering" with the author's text ... A more likely source of difficulty than the copyright owner might be the organisation that owns the server carrying the offending material. I have responsibility for my institution's Web server and I would have to require the removal of anything that was in clear breach of copyright, especially if it were drawn to my attention ... "Fair dealing" (in UK law at least) is restricted to the purposes of research or private study. Quotations for the purposes of review are also allowed. .sig files probably don't fall into either of these categories, but who's going to sue you? Copying the text of articles and putting them on a Web server is always going to be a breach of copyright and is probably the most serious breach - after all, you are effectively republishing material that someone else has paid for the rights to publish. As I compose this long-winded message, this arrives: >The internet, and particularly WWW pages, has rendered all laws on >copyright obsolete IMO. For a start no-one has defined publishing >in this new world. There are people who believe that by creating a Oh yes they have. Copyright law still exists and case law is being developed both in the US and UK. Intellectual property rights are a *big issue* in the Internet environment. >web page or an e-zine they are publishers, well if that is so then >copyright laws apply to them. There are others who view ftp sites as >places in which information can be shared conveniently. I believe >that BOC-L ftp site and OLGA would come under this heading, no income >being generated from them. They are publishers in a legal sense. The fact that no income is generated is completely immaterial. (Again in a legal sense.) OK, legal diatribe over. My own views are: - you should consider whether what you're doing is morally OK (whatever your own standards are) - you might like to consider what the copyright owner might think if he/she/ it knew what you were doing, and you might like to think of asking permission - consider, who's going to sue? Alun From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Thu Feb 8 07:57:42 1996 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:57:42 -0100 Subject: BOC tabs Message-ID: At 09.56 1996-02-08 GMT+0, you wrote: >There is a BOC songbook available in the UK (at least there was in >1980) containing some music & guitar tabs to the early songs. The >picture on the front is from the Some Enchanted Evening cover. > >I aslo believe that there used to be a songbook containing music >to all songs from AOF & Spectres. > And there was a third book, from Mirrors... But no one of these three books had tabulature. So to claim that uploading BOC-tabs would be a violation of any copyrights is stupid, at least until we see a BOC Tab-book on the market. Al said something of a future BOC tab-book from Hal Leonard. Anything more on that, Al? I, of course, would by it whatever the price. Shut down OLGA, eh? If the companies continue making all these threats I'm sure that we'll soon see a real, systematic copying and spreading of tabbooks on the Internet. I hope that Joe Satriani's company does not see my signature... Virtually a complete song ;-) * * * * * * * * E7D9G8B5G8D9E7D9G8B5G8D9E0D6G6B4G6D6E2D4G4B2(x3):E4D4G4B2G4D4E0D6G6B4G6D6 E2G4D4B2D4G4E2G4D3B2D3G4 ---DAN LINDFORS __ __ "Det var paa den tiden jag gick omkring och svalt / ` ' / ,, i Kristiania, denna forunderliga stad som |[====|||||||||||[::} ingen lamnar utan att ha fatt marken av den..." \__.-._\ `` Knut Hamsun. "Sult"/"Svalt"("Hunger")1890. E7A9D11G7D11A9E7A9D11G7D11A9E0A2D4G0D4A2E2A4G2D4G2A4(x3):E3A5D7G4D7A5 E0A2D4G0D4A2E2A4D2G4E2A4D2G3D2A4... lindfors at algonet.se * * * * * * * * From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 8 06:12:42 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:12:42 GMT Subject: HW: Lemmy interview In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:43:06 GMT Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > > Hi, > > Does anyone know of the existance of a tape of a radio interview > > with Lemmy in about 1979? > > It was a phone-in programme & lasted about an hour. > > I remember Lemmy talking about roadieing for Hendrix / being > > thrown out of HW / the wearing of Swastikas on stage / about > > some fan jumping of a balcony at a gig etc etc. I remember hearing this on the radio. I'd have figured 1980 but I guess '79 is a possibility. A fan phoned in to ask if Lemmy had noticed someone juming from the balcony and then proudly announced that it was them. FoFP From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Feb 8 06:35:49 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 06:35:49 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: e WWW, FTP Alun sensibly said >- you might like to consider what the copyright owner might think if he/she/ > it knew what you were doing, and you might like to think of asking > permission And the copyright holder on (most) BOC songs appears to be B. O'Cult Songs, Inc... which raises the question, who exactly owns B. O'Cult Songs? - Andy From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Feb 8 07:25:49 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 07:25:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Simon King Message-ID: > BTW, the Ramones *were* loud! 1-2-3-4...! Sorry, what was that? Couldn't quite hear you .... and what is that damn ringing ????? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Feb 8 07:27:42 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 07:27:42 -0500 Subject: almost HW stuff Message-ID: > Looking at my vinyl copy now and you're right - I never noticed the "X" > before. But it doesn't have the X on the spine, either, or anywhere else. > What the hell would "X In Search Of Space" mean anyway?? I've always assumed that it is a reference to "Group X", one of HW's names b4 HW. -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Feb 8 07:30:25 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 07:30:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Videos wanted (fwd) Message-ID: Gidday All, Just found this in my inbox, and I thought that a few of you out there may be able to help (I have told him about Visionary in Lytham St. Annes) Paul ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: 103421.3323 at compuserve.com Date sent: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:04:13 -0500 To: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au Been a Hawkwind fan since 1972. I'm looking Videos from their 80's US tours. I know they're out there, but no one has given me the price (US dollars) and where to send it. I've talked to Brian Tawn, tried contacting Delta Wave (with no luck), even got a letter from Richard (Hawkwind drummer). But still no REAL info on how to get the USA TOUR 1989-1990 video. Help....Help.... -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Thu Feb 8 07:45:36 1996 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:45:36 GMT Subject: BOC: Copyright Message-ID: For those with a high boredom tolerance, have a look at: http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/ifla/II/cpyright.htm ... all you EVER wanted to know about copyright, and then some. Alun From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 8 08:05:34 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:05:34 +0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy interview In-Reply-To: <01I0Y1WICSN69EDSU8@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Feb 7, 96 09:00:28 pm Message-ID: > I don't know about that, but I have here an interview (or at least a clip of > an interview) w/Lemmy where he mentions HW, but I just noticed that he says > it's 16 years after he formed MH, so it obviously couldn't be from '79. This interview is from the '91 European Tour. It appears on the _Everything Louder Than Everything Else_ video. > "I got fired from Hawkwind. You know actually, HW was very similar to > Motorhead. If you listen inside HW, there's a 3-piece rock band. You got all > this dilelee and toot-toot on the top, but inside there's a rock band, a > 3-piece rock 'n' roll band. > > Always count on an interesting interview from the Lemmer, eh? HW a 3-piece > rock 'n' roll band?? Not quite! No, but he's right about there being one inside--bass, drums, and guitar has always formed the core of Hawkwind. (The post-Harvey line up pretty much proves this! ;) Motorhead itself seems to function best as a three-piece: the classic Taylor/Clarke/Kilmister lineup shows this, and recent glowing reports of the Dee/Campbell/Kilmister lineup seem to indicate that the band is moving from strength to strength now that they've they've dropped the second guitarist. I reckon it comes from the standard late-60s British blues-based band lineups: Cream, Zep, Tull, Hendrix, Sabbath etc. In the States you tended to get lineups that more regularly included a rhythm guitarist as part of the band's core: Byrds, Airplane, Dead, CCR, and ... BOC ;) That's an amateur musicologist's view though, so I wouldn't want to have to defend it in court. Cheers, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 8 08:41:31 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 08:41:31 -0500 Subject: BOC tabs Message-ID: M.R. Varley writes: >There is a BOC songbook available in the UK (at least there was in 1980) containing some music & guitar tabs to the early songs. The picture on the front is from the Some Enchanted Evening cover. I believe that is the "Anthology" songbook. I have a copy of this. There is music in there, but no guitar tabs. Did a tab version actually get published? >I aslo believe that there used to be a songbook containing music to all songs from AOF & Spectres. There are 2 other songbooks that I know of. One is for AOF & Spectres as you mentioned. There is also one for Mirrors. Aside from some songs possibly being released as sheet music (i.e. a single song - I have a sheet for "In Thee", and I believe there were sheets for "The Reaper" and "Shooting Shark" -- would love to get a copy if anyone has one BTW), these 3 books are the only published BOC songbooks that I'm aware of. John PS: If anyone has any others, and would be willing to part with them, let me know . . . From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 8 08:52:36 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:52:36 +0000 Subject: BOC tabs In-Reply-To: <199602081341.IAA06128@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Feb 8, 96 08:41:31 am Message-ID: > Aside from some songs > possibly being released as sheet music (i.e. a single song - I have a > sheet for "In Thee", and I believe there were sheets for "The Reaper" and > "Shooting Shark" One of the guitar mags published tab for "Reaper" in the 80s. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 8 08:57:07 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:57:07 +0000 Subject: OFF: Sundial releases In-Reply-To: <9602071732.A13219@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Feb 7, 96 05:32:23 pm Message-ID: > Knowing how the UK group SunDial has been a regular topic on BOC-L, > I wanted to offer the following bits: > > - I have seen at least two 'net sellers listing a reissue of > "Return Journey" being available. The only description I've seen > said 'Limited pressing w/SAVAGE PENCIL art'. If you want it, buy it now. It's currently out of print in all formats. > - Apparently there are 3 different CD-singles from SunDial. These > are called "Fazer" (4 trax), "Overspill" (4 trax), and "Bad > Drug/Fairground" (? trax). I have _Fazer_ and "Bad Drug/Fairground" but have never seen "Overspill" (but now that I've heard of it, I would like a copy). There are also a variety of 7" singles, apparently including one with a cover of the Beatles' "Northern Song". > I am looking for a good deal on both "Return Journey" and "Other > Way Out" on CD, and possibly the CD-singles too if someone wants to > recommend them. Any trainspotters see what I'm looking for, please > feel free to drop me an 'E. Grab _RJ_ and _OWO_ with both hands if you see them--who knows when we may ever see them again. _Fazer_ and "Bad Drug/Fairground" are less vital, but they should be cheap so there's little lose. Cheers, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 8 09:14:53 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:14:53 -0500 Subject: Important! BOC Lyric Copyrights and the WWW, FTP Message-ID: I have a few more comments on this copyright stuff. Of course, it is all IMHO, and should not be construed as gospel, law, or even fact. Standard disclaimer applies, and your mileage may vary. Alun had some good points to make, so I want to comment on them: >Lyrics archives will almost always be in breach of copyright unless the copyright owner's permission has been obtained. But it's not a hanging offence. The worst that is likely to happen to you is that you will have to take the lyrics off. If the copyright owner asked you to do so you would be a bit silly not to. O.K., so as far as I know, no copyright owners have asked that BOC lyrics and/or tabs be removed from any internet sites. Meaning no disrespect to Bolle (who I would consider a friend of mine, even though I've never met him face to face), he does not represent the copyright owners of any of BOC's material. Unless there is some chance that Bolle and the fanclub could somehow be held liable for the independent actions of others, I don't think that people should start trying to delete archived files. But of course that is not my call. As for any files that I may have on my personal computer (which are not accessible to the net), they are staying put, and I will do with them as I (within my own moral code) see fit. >I don't think that the fact that you had transcribed the lyrics yourself, possibly inaccurately, would be a defence. Well, where does one draw the line? If I write down one line of a lyric, is this an offense, or only if I write the lyrics to the whole song down? If I tell someone what the lyric is (either in whole or in part), have I committed an offense? If this person I told then goes and writes down what I told them (the end result now being the same as if I had written it down and copied it for them) now be an offense? Again, this is all IMHO, but it starts to seem very silly indeed to me. >- you might like to consider what the copyright owner might think if he/she/ it knew what you were doing, Well, now this brings up an interesting point. One of my arguments for keeping BOC lyrics, tabs, and whatever available on the net is that this is being done, at least in part, to *promote* the band. I know from doing the FAQ that there are many people who are "rediscovering" BOC based on alot of the net activity associated with the band (I'm not trying to take all the credit BTW, there are many web sites, on-line chats, the archives, this list, etc. that are being discovered by old BOC fans), which in turn in some sense might encourage those people to go out and buy more BOC material -- those of you on this list: how many of you have had a re-kindled interest in BOC since joining BOC-L? Have you bought a BOC tape or CD since then, and would you have bought it had you not been on BOC-L? See, I think all of this "information sharing" is a two-way street. Hey, maybe BOC-L should claim "advertising fees" for sales of *Workshop of the Telescopes*! ;-) Now, the only thing, of course, is that I don't believe the *band* actually owns the rights to their songs (a sad dilemma for many artists that are forced to relinquish control of their artistic output to people who don't have their best interests in mind). So my guess is that Buck or Bloom would never say "Hey, you've got to remove those lyric files, or pay us for having them there." One more thought - does any of this matter if the holder of the copyright does not offer an alternative way to obtain such lyrics (by putting out a lyric or songbook of their own)? I would suppose not, but if the copyright holder isn't looking to make a profit on this stuff, why do they want the copyright in the first place? Just to squeeze some money out of guys like Bolle when the fanclub wants to put out the lyric book, and they have to go begging with dollars in hand to get said permission? Sometimes common sense and the law seem mutually exclusive . . . John PS: What would our world have been like if so many things we take for granted today were somehow "copyrighted"? What if the ability to make fire had been copyrighted? How about something stupid, like the first person who stuck his hand in his armpit and made a fart sound? Bart Simpson should be paying him royalties! From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Feb 8 09:27:04 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:27:04 -0500 Subject: HW: Lemmy interview Message-ID: >On Wed, 7 Feb 1996 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: >> Always count on an interesting interview from the Lemmer, eh? HW a 3-piece >> rock 'n' roll band?? Not quite! > >Well, for a while, a 3-piece if you don't include the sound guy playing >all the sequences and stuff... a musician in his own respect, whoever he >(they!) be. > Maybe he had a vision of the IITBOTFTBD days... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Feb 8 09:36:53 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:36:53 +0100 Subject: HW: videos Message-ID: Hello Johan >correct name of this HALL is "Magasinet" I've got it correct here in my database but had to cut the name in this list. >btw, what do you think of the Mantorp Ring info, >that Henrik supplied us with :0) Looks like this (20.06.1970) was the first gig HAWKWIND played outside the UK! Bernhard From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 8 09:45:03 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:45:03 -0500 Subject: RUSSIAN BOOTLEG ALERT Message-ID: Thanks Deb for the word of caution. I'd like to use this opportunity, while we're discussing some moral and legal issues, to make a few points, none of which are meant to be directed directly at Deb, but I have comments on the term "bootleg", where I would believe perhaps a better choice of word would be "counterfeit". Some might not draw a distinction (and I think that in some cases the laws might not), but let me explain what I mean: The activity which Deb describes, that is someone taking a copyrighted product (like a BOC album) and making illegal copies for re-sale (usually but not always passed off as the actual product) I would consider "counterfeiting", as oppossed to "bootlegging". When I think of "bootlegging", I think of someone making copies (no doubt also illegal, at least in most countries) of material such as live shows or un- released studio tracks for sale. I think that there is a big difference between these two activities -- one might argue that they both should be illegal. To me (and I think practically everyone else, save maybe for the counterfeitters) that "counterfeitting" is (and should be) definitely a illegal and immoral. Which to me is what Deb happens to be warning us about -- hopefully our friend Boris is not really looking to start distributing illegal copies of *Eponymous* and *Trepanation* throughout the world for his personal financial gain (with no compensation to the artist and record label). What I refer to as "bootlegging", however, I'm not so sure about (and it would be interesting to hear Al and Deb's thoughts on this topic, since they are artists who may have been, or may be at some point in the future, "bootlegged"). Personally, I think bootlegs serve a useful function. Mostly, they provide fans (who probably have everything else the band has to offer already) material they don't otherwise have for their collection. True, profits from the sales of bootlegs don't go to the artist or record label, but I do not believe that that implies that bootlegs hurt the sales of legitamite releases -- unless people were to buy bootlegs instead of the legit releases (and I don't believe that this happens much, especially considering bootleg CDs usually cost $20 or more), I don't see how they hurt the sales. And, as I pointed out in my post regarding the lyrics, they may even actually *help* them (suppose I play my copy of *The Thing!* to a friend who's never heard BOC, and he thinks the music's is so cool that he goes out and buys *Workshop of the Telescopes*?). And, I think there have been cases where the existence of bootlegs have actually *helped* an artist or label. Look at the Beatles' *Anthology* - most of the tracks on there have been bootlegged for years when the band and the label were stating that "there's nothing left in the vaults worth releasing". Think any of the bootleggers are receiving royalty checks from Apple/EMI? ;-) Then again, perhaps if bootlegs were legal and readily available, then they might compete with legit releases. Perhaps the fact that they are obscure and in most cases illegal keeps things in the balance. Hmm... Speaking from my personnal experience, if I want to hear a particular artist, and they've got a CD at my local record store, I'm going to buy it there. Unless I've got just about everything I can readily get my hands on on the artist in question, I'm not going to waste my time and money trying to get a bootleg. On the other hand, if I've got everything I can get on the artist and still want more, I'll check out the "import" dealer's lists . . . Again, I'm not trying to argue with Deb just because she used a different choice of words than I would have, and I think we should use caution so as not to exacerbate the problem of counterfeit music products. I'm just putting out some of my thoughts (which may be against some others legal or moral codes) on the subject of what I call "bootlegs". Other thoughts encouraged . . . John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 8 10:08:54 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 10:08:54 EST Subject: Important! BOC Lyric Copyrights and the WWW, FTP Message-ID: > Well, now this brings up an interesting point. One of my arguments for > keeping BOC lyrics, tabs, and whatever available on the net is that this > is being done, at least in part, to *promote* the band. I know from doing > the FAQ that there are many people who are "rediscovering" BOC based on > alot of the net activity associated with the band (I'm not trying to take > all the credit BTW, there are many web sites, on-line chats, the archives, > this list, etc. that are being discovered by old BOC fans), which in turn > in some sense might encourage those people to go out and buy more BOC > material -- those of you on this list: how many of you have had a > re-kindled interest in BOC since joining BOC-L? Have you bought a BOC > tape or CD since then, and would you have bought it had you not been on > BOC-L? See, I think all of this "information sharing" is a two-way > street. Hey, maybe BOC-L should claim "advertising fees" for sales of > *Workshop of the Telescopes*! ;-) > Good point here, JOhn. I imagine the band is wise enough to realize this as well. I've been a BOC diehard fan for over 20 years, but I've bought cd versions of BOC records I already own, on more than one occasion, because of threads running through BOC-l. I've gone back and revisited many songs/albums I'd neglected. Also, one is more likely to hear of out-of-town concerts through the list. I, for one, am always willing to travel reasonable distances to see my heroes. I'd never hear about these concerts if I relied on my local newspaper. theo> From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Feb 8 10:25:37 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 10:25:37 -0500 Subject: No Subject Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-08 06:42:30 EST, you write: >And the copyright holder on (most) BOC songs appears to be B. O'Cult Songs, >Inc... which raises the question, who exactly owns B. O'Cult Songs? > >- Andy > > according to Bolle, Warner Bros does...I thought Sony owned the rights and that Sony and WB were entirely 2 different companies ROBO From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 8 10:32:02 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 10:32:02 -0500 Subject: Calling Deb and Al Message-ID: I hope this happens, too! I would be happy to send a promo package, filled with clips from Rolling Stone, Playboy, the Boston Globe, Billboard and the numerous publications that might confirm that people in the larger universe actually take us seriously.... tell me to whom and where to send... We can be reached via Ripe & Ready, (201)746-6681. That would be great! DF From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Feb 8 11:02:27 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:02:27 -0500 Subject: HW: videos Message-ID: Hi Bernhard, could you tell me how these dates relate to two videos which I have in my collection: "Night of the Hawks" "Hawkwind: Live Legends" Thank you Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Feb 8 11:06:53 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:06:53 -0500 Subject: HW: videos Message-ID: Woops, forgot to ask in my last post: which gig corresponds to to the Live Chronicles video : looks to be @85-86 Ta Martyn From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 8 11:49:43 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:49:43 EST Subject: bootleg/counterfeit Message-ID: > What I refer to as "bootlegging", however, I'm not so sure about (and it > would be interesting to hear Al and Deb's thoughts on this topic, since > they are artists who may have been, or may be at some point in the > future, "bootlegged"). Personally, I think bootlegs serve a useful > function. Mostly, they provide fans (who probably have everything else > the band has to offer already) material they don't otherwise have for > their collection. True, profits from the sales of bootlegs don't go to > the artist or record label, but I do not believe that that implies that > bootlegs hurt the sales of legitamite releases -- unless people were to > buy bootlegs instead of the legit releases (and I don't believe that this > happens much, especially considering bootleg CDs usually cost $20 or more), > I don't see how they hurt the sales. And, as I pointed out in my post > regarding the lyrics, they may even actually *help* them (suppose I play > my copy of *The Thing!* to a friend who's never heard BOC, and he thinks > the music's is so cool that he goes out and buys *Workshop of the > Telescopes*?). And, I think there have been cases where the existence of > bootlegs have actually *helped* an artist or label. Look at the Beatles' > *Anthology* - most of the tracks on there have been bootlegged for years > when the band and the label were stating that "there's nothing left in > the vaults worth releasing". Think any of the bootleggers are receiving > royalty checks from Apple/EMI? ;-) > There is an issue of ownership and control of distribution of a work of art [sorry for my redundance--I posted something like this yesterday] Even if the release of bootlegs doesn't actually cost a band financially, it removes a marketing tool from the hands of those who own a product--to reduce music to its ugliest and most commercial form. Also, Bootlegs/counterfeits aren't always of the highest quality [I know, some bootlegs are better than the legit copies]. A band could legitimately be concerned about the poor quality of something being released as showing the band in an unfavorable light. I'm not a recording artist, but I do play live music regularly. I may not like it if someone circulated a tape of me where I totally blow a guitar solo! > Then again, perhaps if bootlegs were legal and readily available, then > they might compete with legit releases. Perhaps the fact that they are > obscure and in most cases illegal keeps things in the balance. Hmm... > You and I oare of the same mind, but are all fans as rabid as we are? Also, a lot of bootlegs are not even paid for, but given from one fan to another. If a really high quality bootleg existed, might not one be tempted to have a friend make a copy, and then not buy an existing live album? You and I might want to own everything BOC puts out, but maybe a more casual fan would be content with a bootleg, and not go out and buy a band's legitimate release. This is indeed another issue, and I believe it is at the heart of copyright laws. > John theo From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Feb 8 13:08:54 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:08:54 +0100 Subject: HW: videos Message-ID: Hi Martyn >could you tell me how these dates relate to three videos >which I have in my collection: Here it is: Night of the Hawks = Ipswich, 09.March.1984 Live Legends = Nottingham, 25.January.1990 Live Chronicles = London, 03.December.1985 (04.December.1985) Hope that helps Bernhard From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 8 13:20:11 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:20:11 -0500 Subject: B O'Cult Songs Message-ID: B O'Cult Songs is now owned by Sony Music Publishing. -DF From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 8 13:23:54 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:23:54 -0500 Subject: bootleg/counterfeit Message-ID: A few comments on theo's comments: >There is an issue of ownership and control of distribution of a work of art Well, when a bootleg is of unreleased studio material, I can understand that argument (but even then, I think people who buy such bootlegs want to hear that unreleased stuff, and they understand that it may be a "work in progress" - otherwise it probably would have been on a legit release -- but again perhaps this wouldn't happen if bootlegs weren't as obscure as they are). But, when you are talking about a live recording (which most bootlegs are), then I'm not so sure. The artist performed to the public, so they've obviously lost some control right there -- some finite number of people are going to hear that performance (and again, I think people who hear these understand that live performances can be flawed, and they accept that - sometimes it's preferable to hear the raw sound rather than a live album full of overdubs). So, if the artist is concerned about the quality of his/her/their product, then this should carry over to their live performances as well. >Also, Bootlegs/counterfeits aren't always of the highest quality [I know, some bootlegs are better than the legit copies]. A band could legitimately be concerned about the poor quality of something being released as showing the band in an unfavorable light. Again, I think people who buy bootlegs understand this - many bootlegs are recorded in less-than-ideal conditions. Again, perhaps if bootlegs were less obscure though, this might be more of a problem. And as far as a bootleg being of better quality than a legit release, I have little sympathy for the artist/record company in this case. If someone can put out a better quality product than the actual record company, then they deserve to lose money to the bootlegger -- there's no excuse (especially with today's technology) to put out sonically inferior material (look how many people hate "Cult Classic"). >If a really high quality bootleg existed, might not one be tempted to have a friend make a copy, and then not buy an existing live album? Well, this is somewhat a seperate issue, I think. What if the copy you made for your friend was the legit live album? Either way, your friend didn't buy the legit live album, whether he's got a (illegal, BTW) copy of it or of a bootleg. >I may not like it if someone circulated a tape of me where I totally blow a guitar solo! Yeah, and movie stars don't like it when people photograph them in less- than-idea situations either. Life can be messy. I really believe music fans who collect bootlegs understand this -- if they want the "clean" version, they can get it (and no doubt already *do* have it). Also, if an artist consistently gives bad live performances, then word is going to get around and future shows for that artist may suffer. I think most artists (especially ones that haven't "made it big") understand that they've got to go out and give it everything they've got night in and night out. John From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Thu Feb 8 13:23:39 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:23:39 EST Subject: HW. New DarXtar CD :-)) Message-ID: Hi Earthlings ! The new DarXtar CD have just been beamed down from outerspace. So far some strange people in a country called Sweden is telling us that it's a great CD. They say it's excellent spacerock combined with heavy progrock, especially one of those crazy Swedes is right now over the top after he have been listening to it several times. The doctor's at the hospital have never seen a overaged hippie in this state before. Tracklisting is: Obstakel, 7, This alien nation, Eastern wind, It's enough. Over and out Alien Hawkswede (somewhere in heaven) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 8 14:02:56 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 19:02:56 +0000 Subject: HW. New DarXtar CD :-)) In-Reply-To: <960208182338_100522.44_JHB75-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Henrik Hallgren" at Feb 8, 96 01:23:39 pm Message-ID: >The new DarXtar CD have just been beamed down from outerspace. >So far some strange people in a country called Sweden is telling us that it's a >great CD. They say it's excellent spacerock combined with heavy progrock Wicked! Hopefully this means that hawkjoe will have copies soon, and then we around the globe who eagerly await the coming of _Sju_ will have it soon as well :) Cheers, Carl From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Feb 8 14:04:53 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 20:04:53 +0100 Subject: HW. New DarXtar CD :-)) Message-ID: >Hi Earthlings ! > >The new DarXtar CD have just been beamed down from outerspace. >So far some strange people in a country called Sweden is telling us that it's a >great CD. They say it's excellent spacerock combined with heavy progrock, >especially >one of those crazy Swedes is right now over the top after he have been listening >to it several times. make that two crazy Swedes :0) The doctor's at the hospital have never seen a overaged >hippie in this state before. Tracklisting is: Obstakel, 7, This alien nation, >Eastern wind, It's enough. > >Over and out > >Alien Hawkswede (somewhere in heaven) two lost souls with similar behaviour right now - add a hammond to the description above, and you got a vinyl (yeah, also out on CD) who knocked UFO's _Flying (one hour space rock)_ off the turntable... \\joe From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 8 14:04:34 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:04:34 EST Subject: bootleg/counterfeit Message-ID: > > >I > may not like it if someone circulated a tape of me where I totally > blow a guitar solo! > > Yeah, and movie stars don't like it when people photograph them in less- > than-idea situations either. Life can be messy. I really believe music > fans who collect bootlegs understand this -- if they want the "clean" > version, they can get it (and no doubt already *do* have it). Also, if > an artist consistently gives bad live performances, then word is going to > get around and future shows for that artist may suffer. I think most > artists (especially ones that haven't "made it big") understand that > they've got to go out and give it everything they've got night in and > night out. > > John John, I hear ya. But I know that if I play a song perfectly a hundred times in a row, the hundred-first time, when I don't play well, that's the gig where someone has a tape rolling! theo From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Feb 8 14:11:03 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 20:11:03 +0100 Subject: HW. New DarXtar CD :-)) Message-ID: >>The new DarXtar CD have just been beamed down from outerspace. >>So far some strange people in a country called Sweden is telling us that it's a >>great CD. They say it's excellent spacerock combined with heavy progrock > > Wicked! Hopefully this means that hawkjoe will have copies >soon, and then we around the globe who eagerly await the coming of _Sju_ >will have it soon as well :) Carl, I'm having a short break right now, while I'm 1) flip the album over (again) 2) checking BOC-l 3) kissing the kids goodnight in a packing sequence of a few bags - you're included :0) >Cheers, >Carl cheers 'n back to work - \\joe From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 8 14:39:56 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:39:56 -0500 Subject: B. O'Cult Songs Message-ID: >>And the copyright holder on (most) BOC songs appears to be B. O'Cult Songs, >>Inc... which raises the question, who exactly owns B. O'Cult Songs? >> >>- Andy >> >> > >according to Bolle, Warner Bros does...I thought Sony owned the rights and >that Sony and WB were entirely 2 different companies > >ROBO Hmmm... This raises a question in my mind. I have seen Al post (on more than one occasion) that he is still owed money by BOC. My impression was that the monies due him related to songs and publishing. I will profess that I don't know that much about the music biz, but it seems to me that if Al is owed $'s for songs, the $'s should be paid to him by B. O'Cult Songs (which is owned by Sony (according to Deb), not BOC). So, is this right? Does the band not really owe Al money, but Sony does? Or am I confused (again)? Or is there more to this whole issue than just the songs? And just how did Sony get B. O'Cult Songs? Did the band have to sign away their songrights when they signed originally in the early 70's? Al? (Assuming you feel like talking about this ... again) R. From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Thu Feb 8 14:38:23 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:38:23 EST Subject: HW: New DarXtar CD. Message-ID: Greetings fans of space'n'roll ! Just saw on national TV that the Royal Swedish air force on several occasions observed an UFO with their airborne radarstations this evening. There are also reports from people claiming they saw the aliens dropping parcels from the spaceship!?! They guy who is under observation on the province-hospital in Sundsvall has started mumbling something about muminvalley!?! Police is now trying to locate the place, they believe it's somewhere in Finland. Favorite track from the new CD seems to be "This alien nation". A coded message heard ??? New reports will follow shortly. As they say - See you in muminvalley. Henrik Mumindaddy From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 8 14:49:18 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:49:18 -0500 Subject: bootleg/counterfeit Message-ID: Actually, the inference that the artist who performs in public should expect to be taped, that they've lost control over their performance already, doesn't really hold ground.... Many venues have clearly posted signs warning that taping is not permitted. Some places ya can't take photos, either. Of course, people bring their little instamatics, and they bring their walkmen, too. But they usually don't try to reproduce their snapshots... On the other hand, personal tapes are a tradition in rock and roll (where would the Grateful Dead be without 'em?) and some bands sanction their trading more than others... on the other hand, as an artist, I don't dig having my more embarrassing moments circulated... and hey, even the Rolling Stones, with the incredible technology at their disposal, don't have control over the acoustics of the different football stadiums they lug their gear to nightly... but that's the thing about live performance...obviously, if there wasn't something special and unique about it, you'd just beam yourself out via satellite or sit at home saving your money for a video rather than haulin' yourself around in the van.... obviously, when the "bootleg" is just another extension of a dedicated fan's considerable investment-- emotional as well as monetary--they've already got the CD or whatever, they just want as much as they can get and it's for their personal use and for sharing their enthusiasm, turning other people on-- that's very different from the guy who's simply copying the material and selling it for profit. Because that's not about sharing anything, that's just about ripping people off. DF From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Feb 8 15:22:01 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:22:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Nova Drive - different cover Message-ID: sigh, folks sitting down with two Nova Drives - one is mine, one is for export. the dude has made two slightly different covers in a serie of 35 pieces!!! mine (and the others I've seen) has a clearly *white* background, and the one's bouncing back to the U.S. has *light grey* background... how's that for a kompletist's nigthmare? (well, at least the tracklist is the same...) sorry Captain, cannot export this... (just kidding ;0) \\joe ObLPs: darXtar/Sju - UFO/Flying - S.Gopal/Escalator From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Feb 8 15:30:28 1996 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:30:28 -0500 Subject: BOC-L Digest - Eatables Message-ID: >From: "BREVARD Adrian R." >>Is there a CD out with Uncle Nik entitled "Warrior on the Edge of Time"? >Well Joe I'm pretty sure that is the title and it does say Nik Turner not >Hawkwind. Saw it in a store called Convergence Records (they advertise the >Ozric Tentacles collection as the best in the area). Will double check for >sure cause I got some off line responses on this and everyone seems pretty >confused on the title. I'm guessing, but I think the disc in question might be _Nik Turner & Travellers Of Space_. It's a Cleopatra "promo only" CD with cuts from some of Cleopatra's spacier bands such as Nik Turner, Spiral Realms, Melting Euphoria, etc. It's a nice collection, but all the cuts are available on other discs. Repeat: *NO* otherwise unavailable cuts. While I'm here, I'll do some Shameless (and Useless) Self-Promotion. It seems the Odeon Theatre (Lansing's art film house) liked my soundtrack for _The Cabinet Of Dr. Caligari_ last October. They've asked me to do two more films. So March 18 I'll be doing _A Fool There Was_ from 1915 with Theda Bara as a vampire and in October I'll be doing Carl Dreyer's 1919 _Leaves From Satan's Book_. Wish me luck. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 8 16:29:26 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 16:29:26 -0500 Subject: bootleg/counterfeit Message-ID: Just a few comments on Deb's input: > Many venues have clearly posted signs warning that taping is not permitted. In one of my conversations with Bolle , he talked about this, and his claim was that the only reason that venues can prohibit this is that the recorder or camera can be used as "a weapon" (which is a pretty ridiculous argument against allowing such devices) - I don't know if this is true, but this is presumably based on his experience working in music venues. >on the other hand, as an artist, I don't dig having my more embarrassing moments circulated Care to share with us? ;-) I do understand. As a person, I don't particularly dig having my more embarassing moments in life brought up in conversation, never mind seeing or hearing them played back to me. But if a show is taped (in the "tradition of rock and roll" as you mention), whether or not it's actually bootlegged (i.e., copied and distributed to a wider audience) or just traded among fans, it's going to be out there in some form, and it may just be a question of how many copies are in circulation. >obviously, when the "bootleg" is just another extension of a dedicated fan's considerable investment-- emotional as well as monetary--they've already got the CD or whatever, they just want as much as they can get and it's for their personal use and for sharing their enthusiasm, turning other people on-- Agreed, and that's why I'd want 'em. I can't really see much other reasons for wanting them. They are usually sonically inferior, and much harder to come by than the legit stuff. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 8 16:53:07 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 16:53:07 EST Subject: bootleg/counterfeit Message-ID: > >obviously, when the "bootleg" is just > another extension of a dedicated fan's considerable investment-- emotional as > well as monetary--they've already got the CD or whatever, they just want as > much as they can get and it's for their personal use and for sharing their > enthusiasm, turning other people on-- > > Agreed, and that's why I'd want 'em. I can't really see much other reasons > for wanting them. They are usually sonically inferior, and much harder > to come by than the legit stuff. > > John Couldn't agree more. I think the point of contention is that indescriminate taping creates an atmosphere where people begin to think that 'it's okay to tape stuff.' From there, is it much of an extension to tape other stuff, e.g., commercially available stuff, etc.? I think bands are uptight about it 'cause the temptation is always out there for some asshole to try to make a buck off their artwork. Hence the reluctance to sanction taping theo From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Feb 8 17:02:55 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:02:55 -0500 Subject: HW: Lemmy interview Message-ID: On 8-FEB-1996 08:39:11.6 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >08 Feb 1996 13:05 +0000 (GMT) >Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 13:05:34 +0000 >From: "Carl E. Anderson" >Subject: Re: HW: Lemmy interview >In-reply-to: <01I0Y1WICSN69EDSU8 at delphi.com> from ><"HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM"@Fe b> >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Message-id: >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] >Content-type: text >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >> I don't know about that, but I have here an interview (or at least a >clip o f >> an interview) w/Lemmy where he mentions HW, but I just noticed that >he says >> it's 16 years after he formed MH, so it obviously couldn't be from >'79. >This interview is from the '91 European Tour. It appears on the >_Everything Louder Than Everything Else_ video. >> "I got fired from Hawkwind. You know actually, HW was very similar to >> Motorhead. If you listen inside HW, there's a 3-piece rock band. You >got al l >> this dilelee and toot-toot on the top, but inside there's a rock >band, a > 3-piece rock 'n' roll band. >> >> Always count on an interesting interview from the Lemmer, eh? HW a >3-piece > rock 'n' roll band?? Not quite! >No, but he's right about there being one inside--bass, drums, and >guitar has always formed the core of Hawkwind. (The post-Harvey line >up pretty much proves this! ;) Absolutely, but I just feel that referring to HW as nothing more than a rock 'n' roll band is underrating them. Don't we all love 'em because they were never in the least bit ordinary? The "dileelee (sp) and toot-toot" is often what makes a HW song. And then you have pieces that don't even have bass/drums to them... "Mists Of Meridin", "Life Form", "Sonic Attack", "Down Through The Night etc., those are the farthest things from R&R. Many of their songs lack a traditional structure...or any structure at all. Of course, you could take Doremi and remove the extras and you might have pretty much an rock album, and there are other exceptions, but... Chuck `[1;31;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From stayer at PI.NET Fri Feb 9 02:53:55 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:53:55 PST Subject: HW: Richmond 1972 Message-ID: Hi there, I've got this Hawkwind tape, credited only 'Richmond 1972'. >From the Hawkwind gig-list I learned they didn't do any gigs in the US in 1972, so that leaves only London-Richmond I guess. Does anyone know what the correct date is? The titles I was given were merely 'Paranoia' and 'Improvisation'. It's said to have been a 'free festival'. Jerry van Kooten jvkooten at pi.net From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 8 18:47:25 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:47:25 -0500 Subject: OFF: Gong US tour dates Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-02 11:09:39 EST, you write: >8th Baltimore MD 8x10 my source had the middle east club in philadelphia for this date....can someone verify? rj From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Feb 8 18:55:55 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 16:55:55 -0700 Subject: BOC on Request Mag. In-Reply-To: <199602081135.GAA21229@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: This is really coooooollll!!!! TheStudent Union here (UNM) was giving away recent issues of Request, and there's a cool short article on the boys. Cool photo, too. Better late than never Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 8 20:50:23 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 01:50:23 GMT Subject: HW: New DarXtar CD. In-Reply-To: Henrik Hallgren's message of Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:38:23 EST Message-ID: Henrik Hallgren writes: > Greetings fans of space'n'roll ! > > Just saw on national TV that the Royal Swedish air force on several occasions > observed an UFO with their airborne radarstations this evening. > There are also reports from people claiming they saw the aliens dropping > parcels from the spaceship!?! The aliens are busy. They've been spotted over the Pentlands in Edinburgh and also over Arthur's Seat. Damn pesky aliens. FoFP From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Thu Feb 8 19:27:02 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:27:02 CST Subject: HW: videos (more additions) Message-ID: Bernhard, I've included a few more entries in the interest of having a more complete list of "whats out there"... >(compilation videos are not listed !) > >TOWN HALL DATE TIME >==================================================== >Dunstable Civic Hall 07.07.72 2 ? Top of the Pops ? 3 (Silver Machine excerpt) >London Mark Bolan show 14.09.77 3 ? Lieder Und Leute ?.??.80 10 (WGWtW w/Ginger Baker) >Baden Baden Studio 14.02.81 10 >Southampton Gaumont 25.10.81 95 >Amsterdam Paradiso 23.03.82 15 >Edinburgh Playhouse 21.10.82 100 >Cricket St.Th Wildlife P 04.06.83 90 >Ipswich Gaumont 09.03.84 55 >Stonehenge Festival 20.06.84 40 >Manchester International 10.02.85 70 >London TV 16.04.85 10 London? Wembly Stadium? 13.07.85 6 (Live Aid, Brainstorm) >Norwich Park 31.08.85 10 >London H Odeon 03.12.85 55 >Bristol Festival 20.06.86 5 >Reading Festival 24.08.86 10 >Preston Guild Hall 03.12.86 ? >Bochum Zeche 31.05.87 90 >Finsbury Park Acid Daze 23.08.87 75 Chicago Lounge Ax 01.10.89 82 >Bridport Beehive 10.03.89 40 >Treworgey Festival 29.07.89 85 >Somerville Johnny Dee's 27.09.89 100 >Santa Clara One Step Beyond 09.10.89 105 >Nottingham TV 25.01.90 55 >Bournemouth Academy 02.07.90 100 >Washington Club 9:30 02.12.90 90 >Cleveland Empire 06.12.90 60 Chicago Cubby Bears 07.12.90 90 Chicago Thirsty Whale 08.12.90 100 >Minneapolis Glam Slam 11.12.90 105 >Los Angeles Lingerie 15.12.90 30 >San Francisco I - Beam 17.12.90 95 >Bochum Zeche 19.03.91 105 Toronto Spectrum 16.05.91 77 >Goeteborg Magasinet 28.09.91 75 >Gimme Shelter Sessions 01.01.92 10 Brighton The Event 24.04.92 105 \(could be gig below ? ) >Hemel Pavillon 08.05.92 105 / >Cambridge Corn Exchange 11.05.92 100 >Brixton Academy 15.08.92 120 >Pentrich Festival 31.07.93 20 >Springfield Jaxx 08.04.95 80 Madison Berrymore 18.04.95 94 Milwaukee Shank Hall 20.04.95 88 >Bochum Zeche 26.10.95 90 > >Is here someone who has got a video which appears n o t on this list ? I have most of the additional entries, a few are on lists of people I trade with. I've pretty much stop trading videos since I watch them 2 or 3 times and put them away. It seems I'm only interested in audio tapes now... Doug From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Thu Feb 8 21:33:36 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:33:36 -0800 Subject: OTNOOYK In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Feb 1996, Maxine Wesley wrote: > I've forgotten! > > I'm wearing the Nethawks t-shirt and this guy comes up to me and says > "Whatzitallaboutthen".... I can't remember what the reference is to with > respect to "On the net or on your knees" - think it's a BOC reference to > an Album (whose name I have forgotten also) so can someone e-mail me with > the full blown explanation... or any humourous guesses! > > Maxine > > The night shall be filled with music > And the cares that infest the day mxw at dmu.ac.uk > Shall fold their tents like the Arabs http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw/ > And as silently steal away. Honda CB250 RS > H.W. Longfellow > On Your Feet or On Your Knees is a BOC double album. From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Fri Feb 9 19:52:11 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:52:11 -0800 Subject: OFF: Copyright (http://www.clarinet.com/brad/copymyths.html) Message-ID: I just received today a copyright guide produced by QUT (my employer)= .=20 Under the section on Cyberspace it listed this WWW Page as a useful s= ite.=20 You can't see it here, but near the bottom of the page there is a lin= k to=20 a large Copyright FAQ at=20 http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/Copyright-FAQ/top.= html I hesitated before sending this because of its size, but I thought th= at=20 not everyone may have access to WWW and it does refer to "fair use" a= nd=20 not charging money etc which have been mentioned a few times. Pete. > ClariNet * Brad Templeton Home Page * 10 Big Myths about > copyright explained >=20 > 10 Big Myths about copyright explained >=20 > An attempt to answer common myths about copyright seen on the net > and cover issues related to copyright and USENET posting. >=20 > 1) "If it doesn't have a copyright notice, it's not copyrighted." >=20 > This was true in the past, but today almost all major nations follo= w > the Berne copyright convention. For example, in the USA, almost > everything created privately and originally after April 1, 1989 is > copyrighted and protected whether it has a notice or not. The > default you should assume for other people's works is that they are > copyrighted and may not be copied unless you know otherwise. There > are some old works that lost protection without notice, but frankly > you should not risk it unless you know for sure. >=20 > It is true that a notice strengthens the protection, by warning > people, and by allowing one to get more and different damages, but > it is not necessary. If it looks copyrighted, you should assume it > is. This applies to pictures, too. You may not scan pictures from > magazines and post them to the net, and if you come upon something > unknown, you shouldn't post that either. >=20 > The correct form for a notice is: >=20 > "Copyright [dates] by [author/owner]" >=20 > You can use C in a circle =A9 instead of "Copyright" but "(C)" has > never been given legal force. The phrase "All Rights Reserved" used > to be required in some nations but is now not needed. >=20 > 2) "If I don't charge for it, it's not a violation." >=20 > False. Whether you charge can affect the damages awarded in court, > but that's essentially the only difference. It's still a violation > if you give it away -- and there can still be heavy damages if you > hurt the commercial value of the property. >=20 > 3) "If it's posted to Usenet it's in the public domain." >=20 > False. Nothing is in the public domain anymore unless the owner > explicitly puts it in the public domain(*). Explicitly, as in you > have a note from the author/owner saying, "I grant this to the > public domain." Those exact words or words very much like them. >=20 > Some argue that posting to Usenet implicitly grants permission to > everybody to copy the posting within fairly wide bounds, and others > feel that Usenet is an automatic store and forward network where al= l > the thousands of copies made are done at the command (rather than > the consent) of the poster. This is a matter of some debate, but > even if the former is true (and in this writer's opinion we should > all pray it isn't true) it simply would suggest posters are > implicitly granting permissions "for the sort of copying one might > expect when one posts to Usenet" and in no case is this a placement > of material into the public domain. Furthermore it is very difficul= t > for an implicit licence to supersede an explicitly stated licence > that the copier was aware of. >=20 > Note that all this assumes the poster had the right to post the ite= m > in the first place. If the poster didn't, then all the copies are > pirate, and no implied licence or theoretical reduction of the > copyright can take place. >=20 > (*) Copyrights can expire after a long time, putting something into > the public domain, and there are some fine points on this issue > regarding older copyright law versions. However, none of this > applies to an original article posted to USENET. >=20 > Note that granting something to the public domain is a complete > abandonment of all rights. You can't make something "PD for > non-commercial use." If your work is PD, other people can even > modify one byte and put their name on it. >=20 > 4) "My posting was just fair use!" >=20 > See other notes on fair use for a detailed answer, but bear the > following in mind: >=20 > The "fair use" exemption to copyright law was created to allow > things such as commentary, parody, news reporting, research and > education about copyrighted works without the permission of the > author. Intent, and damage to the commercial value of the work are > important considerations. Are you reproducing an article from the > New York Times because you needed to in order to criticise the > quality of the New York Times, or because you couldn't find time to > write your own story, or didn't want your readers to have to pay to > log onto the online services with the story or buy a copy of the > paper? The first is probably fair use, the others probably aren't. >=20 > Fair use is almost always a short excerpt and almost always > attributed. (One should not use more of the work than is necessary > to make the commentary.) It should not harm the commercial value of > the work -- in the sense of people no longer needing to buy it > (which is another reason why reproduction of the entire work is > generally forbidden.) >=20 > Note that most inclusion of text in Usenet followups is for > commentary and reply, and it doesn't damage the commercial value of > the original posting (if it has any) and as such it is fair use. > Fair use isn't an exact doctrine, either. The court decides if the > right to comment overrides the copyright on an indidvidual basis in > each case. There have been cases that go beyond the bounds of what = I > say above, but in general they don't apply to the typical net > misclaim of fair use. It's a risky defence to attempt. >=20 > 5) "If you don't defend your copyright you lose it." >=20 > False. Copyright is effectively never lost these days, unless > explicitly given away. You may be thinking of trade marks, which ca= n > be weakened or lost if not defended. >=20 > 6) "Somebody has that name copyrighted!" >=20 > You can't "copyright a name," or anything short like that. Titles > usually don't qualify, but I doubt you could write a song entitled > "Everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey." > (J.Lennon/P.McCartney) >=20 > You can't copyright words, but you can trademark them, generally by > using them to refer to your brand of a generic type of product or > service. Like an "Apple" computer. Apple Computer "owns" that word > applied to computers, even though it is also an ordinary word. Appl= e > Records owns it when applied to music. Neither owns the word on its > own, only in context, and owning a mark doesn't mean complete > control -- see a more detailed treatise on this law for details. >=20 > You can't use somebody else's trademark in a way that would unfairl= y > hurt the value of the mark, or in a way that might make people > confuse you with the real owner of the mark, or which might allow > you to profit from the mark's good name. For example, if I were > giving advice on music videos, I would be very wary of trying to > label my works with a name like "mtv." :-) >=20 > 7) "They can't get me, defendants in court have powerful rights!" >=20 > Copyright law is mostly civil law. If you violate copyright you > would usually get sued, not charged with a crime. "Innocent until > proven guilty" is a principle of criminal law, as is "proof beyond = a > reasonable doubt." Sorry, but in copyright suits, these don't apply > the same way or at all. It's mostly which side and set of evidence > the judge or jury accepts or believes more, though the rules vary > based on the type of infringement. In civil cases you can even be > made to testify against your own interests. >=20 > 8) "Oh, so copyright violation isn't a crime or anything?" >=20 > Actually, recently in the USA commercial copyright violation > involving more than 10 copies and value over $2500 was made a > felony. So watch out. (At least you get the protections of criminal > law.) On the other hand, don't think you're going to get people > thrown in jail for posting your E-mail. The courts have much better > things to do than that. This is a fairly new, untested statute. >=20 > 9) "It doesn't hurt anybody -- in fact it's free advertising." >=20 > It's up to the owner to decide if they want the free ads or not. If > they want them, they will be sure to contact you. Don't rationalize > whether it hurts the owner or not, ask them. Usually that's not too > hard to do. Time past, ClariNet published the very funny Dave Barry > column to a large and appreciative Usenet audience for a fee, but > some person didn't ask, and forwarded it to a mailing list, got > caught, and the newspaper chain that employs Dave Barry pulled the > column from the net, pissing off everybody who enjoyed it. Even if > you can't think of how the author or owner gets hurt, think about > the fact that piracy on the net hurts everybody who wants a chance > to use this wonderful new technology to do more than read other > people's flamewars. >=20 > 10) "They e-mailed me a copy, so I can post it." >=20 > To have a copy is not to have the copyright. All the E-mail you > write is copyrighted. However, E-mail is not, unless previously > agreed, secret. So you can certainly report on what E-mail you are > sent, and reveal what it says. You can even quote parts of it to > demonstrate. Frankly, somebody who sues over an ordinary message > might well get no damages, because the message has no commercial > value, but if you want to stay strictly in the law, you should ask > first. On the other hand, don't go nuts if somebody posts E-mail yo= u > sent them. If it was an ordinary non-secret personal letter of > minimal commercial value with no copyright notice (like 99.9% of al= l > E-mail), you probably won't get any damages if you sue them. Note a= s > well that the law aside, keeping private correspondence private is = a > courtesy one should usually honour. >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------= - >=20 > In Summary >=20 > * These days, almost all things are copyrighted the moment they > are written, and no copyright notice is required. > * Copyright is still violated whether you charged money or not, > only damages are affected by that. > * Postings to the net are not granted to the public domain, and > don't grant you any permission to do further copying except > perhaps the sort of copying the poster might have expected in > the ordinary flow of the net. > * Fair use is a complex doctrine meant to allow certain valuabl= e > social purposes. Ask yourself why you are republishing what yo= u > are posting and why you couldn't have just rewritten it in you= r > own words. > * Copyright is not lost because you don't defend it; that's a > concept from trademark law. The ownership of names is also fro= m > trademark law, so don't say somebody has a name copyrighted. > * Copyright law is mostly civil law where the special rights of > criminal defendants you hear so much about don't apply. Watch > out, however, as new laws are moving copyright violation into > the criminal realm. > * Don't rationalize that you are helping the copyright holder; > often it's not that hard to ask permission. > * Posting E-mail is technically a violation, but revealing fact= s > from E-mail you got isn't, and for almost all typical E-mail, > nobody could wring any damages from you for posting it. >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------= - >=20 > Permission is granted to freely copy (unmodified) this document in > electronic form, or in print if you're not selling it. On the WWW, > however, you must link here rather than copy it. If you had not see= n > a notice like this on the document, you would have to assume you di= d > not have permission to copy it. This document is still protected by > you-know-what even though it has no copyright notice. > -------------------------------------------------------------------= - >=20 > It should be noted that the author, as publisher of an electronic > newspaper on the net, makes his living by publishing copyrighted > material in electronic form and has the associated biases. However, > DO NOT E-MAIL HIM FOR LEGAL ADVICE; for that use other resources or > consult a lawyer. Also note that while most of these principles are > universal in Berne copyright signatory nations, some are derived > from Canadian and U.S. law. This document is provided to clear up > some common misconceptions about intellectual property law that are > often seen on the net. It is not intended to be a complete treatise > on all the nuances of the subject. A more detailed copyright FAQ, > covering other issues including compilation copyright and more > intricacies of fair use is available in the same places you found > this note. Also consider The LoC Gopher for actual U.S. statutes. > Australians try this. This site has Canadian Copyright Info. Anothe= r > useful document is the EFF's IP law primer. >=20 >=20 > Other net articles on my Home Page >=20 > Up to ClariNet e.News home page From skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM Fri Feb 9 02:49:57 1996 From: skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM (Skip Galvin) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:49:57 -0800 Subject: BOC in NW Message-ID: Saw the boys on Tuesday in Everett, WA (dump de jure) The show was similar to Friday's show in Seattle. They kind of took me by surprise w/the inclusion of Teen Archer. Allen really made the show; his solo on Harvest Moon was a high point. I finally got to hear "I Want to See You in Black" What a great song! Sounds better each night I see them. Maybe they'll play Golden Age on Saturday. Who knows?! Trying to find an audio tape of Friday's show (Feb. 2) to synch to vid. Skip From RobM376 at AOL.COM Fri Feb 9 03:00:03 1996 From: RobM376 at AOL.COM (Robert Miller) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 03:00:03 -0500 Subject: BOC in NW Message-ID: Skip: Do you have any live tapes of the recent NW shows, or do you know of any? Rob From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 9 04:37:50 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:37:50 +0000 Subject: HW: New DarXtar CD. In-Reply-To: <9602090150.aa08239@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "M Holmes" at Feb 9, 96 01:50:23 am Message-ID: > Damn pesky aliens. Aliens again? I thought we'd sprayed for them .... ;) Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 9 04:46:55 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:46:55 +0000 Subject: HW: Lemmy interview In-Reply-To: <01I0Z7WKK9LU96WD9U@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Feb 8, 96 05:02:55 pm Message-ID: >>> Always count on an interesting interview from the Lemmer, eh? HW a >>>3-piece > rock 'n' roll band?? Not quite! >> >>No, but he's right about there being one inside--bass, drums, and >>guitar has always formed the core of Hawkwind. (The post-Harvey line >>up pretty much proves this! ;) > > Absolutely, but I just feel that referring to HW as nothing more than a rock > 'n' roll band is underrating them. Don't we all love 'em because they were > never in the least bit ordinary? The "dileelee (sp) and toot-toot" is often > what makes a HW song. Oh, of course, and that's what's great about HW: it's a basic rock band that has been uniquely warped by adding other stuff. It takes it far beyond the basic. Strip away all the Dr. Who noises and other weirdness and Hawkwind would be basically a very sloppy version of the Ramones, with much longer songs ;) But when it's all put together you get a powerful and unique space-rock engine, which is where the fun starts. As I've mentioned on the list once or twice before, as you peel away members of the classic lineup, you can see them continuing to concentrate on the things they brought to the original lineup. If you look at Nik, you'll see the silly, self-indulgent weirdness still emanating from his current work (which is not to say that it can't be quite good as well), if you look at Simon House, you'll see him doing ambient violin and synth stuff, if you look at Lemmy you'll see him rocking out with unspeakable thunder, etc. Now if someone can get Brock's head out of that sequencer and remind him to play the goddam guitar .... ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 9 05:33:24 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:33:24 +0000 Subject: bootleg/counterfeit In-Reply-To: <960208144917_217305337@emout08.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Feb 8, 96 02:49:18 pm Message-ID: > obviously, when the "bootleg" is just > another extension of a dedicated fan's considerable investment-- emotional as > well as monetary--they've already got the CD or whatever, they just want as > much as they can get and it's for their personal use and for sharing their > enthusiasm, turning other people on-- that's very different from the guy > who's simply copying the material and selling it for profit. Because that's > not about sharing anything, that's just about ripping people off. This is very true, and what's nice about some bands that either sanction taping or sometimes release their own "official" bootlegs. They know the sound or performance quality isn't allways going to be the greatest, but they know that mostly its serious fans who will want to collect recordings of these performances for historic reasons. Plus, serious fans who want to turn on other people to a band, but don't want to just tape a copy of that band's album (which would take away from this band's sales, potentially, which is something serious fans don't want to do to their favorite bands) can use a fairly good quality bootleg to make a copy for a potential fan. That gives the newbie a good idea of what the band is about, without compromising sales--and the serious fan can pick a recording which won't sound like shit, but might induce to the newbie to go buy the album so they can hear all those cool tunes at a higher fidelity. As a person with a degree in folklore, I have this gut feeling that concerts should be documented as often and as much as possible for historical reasons and the "benefit of future generations". Sure, it's great to have the albums, but where would be be without some of the things that only happen live? Sometimes these things appear on live albums from bands, or as extra-tracks on singles, but not always. Is Motorhead going to release recordings of the live performances of "Silver Machine" they did last year? Not bloody likely! Would I pay money to hear a recording of it? Probably ... Do future generations need to hear this? Probably not ;) but I'd hate to deprive them of the option. I don't do much taping, myself, but (especially in Britain) I generally ask permission of the artist first (I haven't been turned down by the two bands I've taped here so far) and assure them that I won't be making bootleg CDs of the material ;) and try to send them a copy of the tape. (I can now see why artists seem more worried by bootleg CDs in the UK, where normal CD prices are higher than in the US, and bootleg prices are _lower_ than bootleg prices in the UK--still, I can't think that that many people are buying bootlegs that don't already have the legit stuff. If bands are worried about it, they should damn well release more material! I think this will be more possible as recording media prices drop, and the possibility of direct marketing over the net becomes more common.) (After all, if tBS said "we've a 70 minute CD of live material here--the sound is kind of dodgy in places, and Al sneezes in the middle of the drum solo and it's, like, pretty audible, but we'll sell it to you for 12 bucks", well John Public might prefer to get Trepanation first, but would John Swartz buy it? You bet! ;) So would I, of course ... ;) Cheers, Carl From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Fri Feb 9 05:44:43 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 05:44:43 EST Subject: HW: new DarXtar CD. Message-ID: Cheers friends (I`m glad to be back on earth) ! I've been abducted for a while, therefore this message. While I was in the spaceship I managed to crack the secret message from the aliens: 7 zones we to cross the 1:st we can remember the 2:nd was a mystery trip darker than December the 3:rd one was a world in grey we lost our captain on our way... so now we're standing on the border to yet another fantasy where maybe space is just a fiction and cosmos is a part of you and me... Wait ! I hear a new message in the silicon chip in my head " the meek shall inherit the earth"??? that's it. And remember that space is a cold and lonely place. Hawkswede From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 9 08:18:41 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:18:41 GMT Subject: Space Ritual - Liverpool & London Message-ID: Just to update a bit. I've done some more fairly close listening to these two tapes from 1972 and they still sound like they are both the same. Very different sound levels but all the instruments and the timings are the same. I therefore strongly suspect that Bernard is right about this and that Liverpool '72 and Edmonton '72 are identical 8-( jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 9 09:10:05 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:10:05 +0000 Subject: The Ripper with BOC music In-Reply-To: <199602052328.PAA05141@ix13.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Feb 1996, joel wendrow wrote: > P.S. Am I the only one who doesn't like "I like you in black"? > Just wondering. Joel - you're not alone. When I heard it in London I couldn't see what all the fuss was about: bad attack of the record-stick syndrome, thought I. But that's the only time I've heard it, and it maybe sounds better a bit more, er, refined.. I know I couldn't tell you the tune, and I only remember one line, can you guess which one? JAZZA From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Feb 9 09:31:29 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:31:29 -0500 Subject: The Ripper with BOC music In-Reply-To: from "Jon Jarrett" at Feb 9, 96 02:10:05 pm Message-ID: Jon Jarrett writes: > > On Mon, 5 Feb 1996, joel wendrow wrote: > > > P.S. Am I the only one who doesn't like "I like you in black"? > > Just wondering. > > Joel - you're not alone. When I heard it in London I couldn't see > what all the fuss was about: bad attack of the record-stick syndrome, > thought I. But that's the only time I've heard it, and it maybe sounds > better a bit more, er, refined.. I know I couldn't tell you the tune, > and I only remember one line, can you guess which one? I'm guessing that you probably haven't heard Demon's Kiss yet. *That* one sounds like a particularly inept Poison cover. It's a Demon's Kiss A Demon's Kiss A Demon's Kiss A Demon's Kiss It's a Demon's Kiss A Demon's Kiss A Demon's Kiss A Demon's Kiss - lyrics you will not be seeing in my signature line Steve From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Feb 9 09:59:14 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:59:14 EST Subject: HW: help identifying tape 11/5/80 Message-ID: I wrote: >> My question is, is Treforest Town Hall some alternate name for >> St.Albans? Or were any other shows from the same tour (that have >> the same set list) in some venue in or near St.Albans? If >> Treforest has nothing to do with St.Albans, I still need to >> identify whether this tape is really the Treforest 11/5/80 show, or >> a different one from the same period/tour. Alun Hughes wrote: >Treforest is effectively a suburb of Pontypridd, in South Wales, home of >the University of Glamorgan and I would have thought a perfectly >likely place for HW to play, though I don't know the Town Hall. Bernhard Pospeich wrote: >What I know for sure is: > >- the tapes from ST.ALBANS and TREFOREST are absolute identical >- TREFOREST never appeared on advertisments for the 1980 tour >- ST ALBANS appeared on advertisments for the 1980 tour >- I have the TREFOREST tape (and venue) from ADRIAN PARR >- but his TREFOREST tape was identical to my ST ALBANS tape!! > >ADRIAN PARR has listed this TREFOREST tape on 07.11.1980. But this can't be >right because HAWKWIND do not play DANGEROUS VISION on this tape, but in >CHELMSFORD the night before and in DONCASTER 3 days later the played this track . Bernhard, your analysis of Adrian Parr's date sounds correct - 5.11.80 makes more sense than 7.11.80 for a show with this setlist. Perhaps on 6.11.80 at Chelmsford was the very first time that "Dangerous Vision" was played live? Question for the UK folks: Is Treforest, South Wales anywhere near St.Albans? Is there a large distance between these two towns, or are they close enough to perhaps allow a not-so-alert hippy tape trader :-) to confuse which town he was actually in? If they are not close enough to actually justify a legitimate mix-up, how about the order that the venues are played during this week? ..cut.. >Norwich University 01-Nov-80 Sat >London Hammersmith 02-Nov-80 Sun >London Hammersmith 03-Nov-80 Mon >Croydon Fairfields Hall 04-Nov-80 Tue >Trefforest Town Hall 05-Nov-80 Wed >Chelmsford Odeon 06-Nov-80 Thu >Cardiff Polytechnic 08-Nov-80 Sat >Hull City Hall 09-Nov-80 Sun >Doncaster Rotters 10-Nov-80 Mon >Grimsby Central Hall 11-Nov-80 Tue ..cut.. Is playing in the towns of London/Croyden/Treforest/Chelmsford, in exactly that order, likely to be a relevent fact? Or are they all close enough in proximity to each other that nightly travel to any of them could be equally likely? I think it unlikely that BOTH Treforest and St.Albans were played at, simply because there is so little slack in the very tight gig schedule. The only days off from the start and end of the tour were 18/10, 23/10, 27/10, 7/11, and 12/11. And on 6/11/80 we know that a song was played that does not appear on the tape we are trying to identify. Perhaps we can still narrow down what date Treforest was most likely played at, assuming that Treforest is where the gig actually happened. Then there is still the issue of whether tapes labelled as Treforest or as St.Albans were *actually* recorded at either of these venues -- when the date is wrong, sometimes the venue is wrong too... :-( Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Feb 9 10:52:08 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:52:08 -0500 Subject: HW: help identifying tape 11/5/80 Message-ID: Chuck asked > Question for the UK folks: >Is Treforest, South Wales anywhere near St.Albans? Treforest, South Wales, is quite close to Cardiff, South Wales, but not really near Chelmsford, Croydon or St Albans. Looking at the itinerary, I'd have to say that the 7th looks a lot more plausible for the Treforest date - otherwise they're travelling from S Wales to the other side of London, then straight back to S Wales. Not impossible, but unlikely even for HW :) - Andy From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Feb 9 10:54:14 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:54:14 EST Subject: HW: videos (more additions) Message-ID: >Is someone who has got a video which appears n o t on this list ? > >Bernhard In issue #3 of Adrian Parr's _Hawkeye_ he attempts to list and describe all of the known Hawkwind videos. He lists all of the Jettisounds, Taste, and Chaos releases, and then he makes a brief stab at listing some bootleg videos. There are two videos he has listed that are *not* on your list: Spectrum, Toronto, Canada 16.5.91 <-- Doug listed this one already Albatross, Genova, Italy 19.10.94 Note also, that the HW "USA Tours 1989, 1990" contains parts of two separate US shows, one of which is from the Phantasy Club, Cleveland, Ohio, 30.9.89. (The other is Los Angeles, 15.12.90). I didn't see this Cleveland show on your list. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Feb 9 11:15:27 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:15:27 -0500 Subject: HW: New DarXtar CD. Message-ID: >Damn pesky aliens. > >FoFP Hey man. I'm an alien and I have a little plastic card to prove it! Martyn From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri Feb 9 16:19:26 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:19:26 U Subject: The Ripper with BOC music Message-ID: >> P.S. Am I the only one who doesn't like "I like you in black"? >> Just wondering. > > Joel - you're not alone. When I heard it in London I couldn't see >what all the fuss was about: bad attack of the record-stick syndrome, >thought I. But that's the only time I've heard it, and it maybe sounds >better a bit more, er, refined.. I know I couldn't tell you the tune, >and I only remember one line, can you guess which one? Sorry, must disagree. Top toon. Have a good w'end! Cheers, Rich. ** Supercalifragalisticborussiamunchengladbach ** From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Feb 9 11:42:45 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 17:42:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Ritual - Liverpool & London Message-ID: Hello Jill >I therefore strongly suspect that Bernard is right about this and >that Liverpool '72 and Edmonton '72 are identical 8-( And what about the EDMONTON one? There exist 3 tapes from the SR 1972 tour: - Liverpool, 22.12.1972 - Edmonton, 29.12.1972 - Brixton (London), 30.12.1972 I believe that there only exist ONE real tape from this tour: Brixton 30.12.1972. It is the copy of the original mixing desk recording. SR I was recorded in Liverpool and Brixton SR II was recorded in Brixton only So maybe there exist somewhere a copy of the Liverpool gig Bernhard From stayer at PI.NET Fri Feb 9 03:44:35 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:44:35 PST Subject: HW lyrics Message-ID: I got the HW lyrics from one of the sites here. There's one line in Steppenwolf (last line), I thought had to be 'ich weiss nicht was ich sagen soll' which is German for 'I don't know what I should say' but the transcribor made some very strange words out of it. Hope I could be of any help. Please note that my Germany (as well as my English) are not perfect, I may have made some mistakes in either language. Jerry van Kooten jvkooten at pi.net From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Fri Feb 9 12:58:11 1996 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:58:11 -0600 Subject: The Ripper with BOC music In-Reply-To: from "Richard Lockwood" at Feb 9, 96 04:19:26 pm Message-ID: >> P.S. Am I the only one who doesn't like "I like you in black"? >> Just wondering. > > Joel - you're not alone. When I heard it in London I couldn't see >what all the fuss was about: bad attack of the record-stick syndrome, >thought I. But that's the only time I've heard it, and it maybe sounds >better a bit more, er, refined.. I know I couldn't tell you the tune, >and I only remember one line, can you guess which one? I'd like it a lot better if they removed (and this may be the line you're remembering) "It makes me think your husband is dead" I hate that worse than "Demon's Kiss" repeated ad infinitum. -bryan From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 9 13:34:11 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:34:11 EST Subject: The Ripper with BOC music Message-ID: > >> P.S. Am I the only one who doesn't like "I like you in black"? > >> Just wondering. > > > > Joel - you're not alone. When I heard it in London I couldn't see > >what all the fuss was about: bad attack of the record-stick syndrome, > >thought I. But that's the only time I've heard it, and it maybe sounds > >better a bit more, er, refined.. I know I couldn't tell you the tune, > >and I only remember one line, can you guess which one? > > I'd like it a lot better if they removed (and this may be the line you're > remembering) > > "It makes me think your husband is dead" > > I hate that worse than "Demon's Kiss" repeated ad infinitum. > > -bryan How about 'yeah' beginning every line of 'wings of mercury.' BTW, has BOC done this song any time the last few years? theo From mseher at ULTRAVOX.EAST.SUN.COM Fri Feb 9 13:41:06 1996 From: mseher at ULTRAVOX.EAST.SUN.COM (Michael Seher) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:41:06 -0500 Subject: I'd Like to See You in Black Message-ID: ...in multiple discussions before... joel> Am I the only one who doesn't like "I like you in black"? joel> Just wondering. ?> ...you're not alone. When I heard it in London I couldn't see ?> what all the fuss was about: bad attack of the record-stick syndrome, ?> thought I. But that's the only time I've heard it, and it maybe sounds ?> better a bit more, er, refined.. I know I couldn't tell you the tune, ?> and I only remember one line, can you guess which one? bryan> I'd like it a lot better if they removed (and this may be the line bryan> you're remembering) bryan> "It makes me think your husband is dead" I don't think that's the line he's referring to. That line is key to the song anyway. I mean, it's meant to be a "positive" song about a friend(or maybe someone closer than that) getting out from under the hand(s) of an abusive relationship. ...and am I the only one who still doesn't like the remake of "Astronomy" on _Imaginos_? *gak* I shut off the CD player during it the first time it was playing. m I came here willingly And I will go down valiantly "The Golden Age of Leather" From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Feb 9 13:42:28 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:42:28 +0100 Subject: HW: help identifying tape 11/5/80 Message-ID: Hello I am absolute confused about the TREFOREST/ST.ALBANS tape. What I will do now is to call it ST.ALBANS and date it on 05.November.1980, like it is listed in the 1980 LEVITATION tourprogramme All TREFOREST tapes I have received here were absolute identical to the ST.ALBANS tape I have since about 13 years! I do not know where ADRIAN PARR has the informations about a gig in TREFOREST Bernhard From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Feb 9 14:16:48 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:16:48 EST Subject: HW: help identifying tape 11/5/80 Message-ID: Andy says: >Treforest, South Wales, is quite close to Cardiff, South Wales, but not >really near Chelmsford, Croydon or St Albans. > >Looking at the itinerary, I'd have to say that the 7th looks a lot more >plausible for the Treforest date - otherwise they're travelling from S >Wales to the other side of London, then straight back to S Wales. >Not impossible, but unlikely even for HW :) > >- Andy Put this together with Adrian Parr's placing the Treforest gig on 11/7/80, and we may be able to narrow our conclusions. It seems to make sense (geographically speaking) that Treforest was NOT on the 5th. This now leaves us with two possible venues, two possible dates, one tape, and (possibly) a second un-taped gig. This leads me to 3 different theories: 1. HW played St.Albans on 11/5/80, Treforest on 11/7/80. The tape which does not have "Dangerous Vision" on it was really recorded at St.Albans on 11/5/80, while another (un-taped?) gig was also played at Treforest on 11/7/80. Possibly "D.V." could still have been played at Treforest. This allows for playing an advertised show at St.Albans, an unadvertised(?) or late-added(?) show at Treforest, and no conflicting geographical sites. 2. HW took 11/5/80 as a night off, played Treforest on 11/7/80, and just didn't play "D.V.". This means that St.Albans was not a venue during this tour. Downside: Bernhard states that St.Albans was an advertised venue for this tour, in the tour programme(?). 3. HW took 11/5/80 as a night off, played St.Albans on 11/7/80, and just didn't play "D.V.". No Treforest this tour. This also allows that the band did not cycle between Wales and London, they just didn't get to Wales until 11/8/80 Cardiff. Downside: "D.V." is played regularly starting 11/6/80; why not play it on 11/7 ? The date 11/7/80 was a Friday night -- an unlikely night to NOT be playing a gig somewhere on such a busy tour. Sounds like we still don't have enough info for a definitive answer to this riddle (yet). Does anyone think that Adrian Parr might be able to shed some additional light on his own source for claiming that Treforest was on 11/7/80? Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 9 14:17:17 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:17:17 EST Subject: I'd Like to See You in Black Message-ID: > > bryan> I'd like it a lot better if they removed (and this may be the line > bryan> you're remembering) > > bryan> "It makes me think your husband is dead" > > I don't think that's the line he's referring to. That line is > key to the song anyway. I mean, it's meant to be a "positive" song > about a friend(or maybe someone closer than that) getting out from under > the hand(s) of an abusive relationship. > > ...and am I the only one who still doesn't like the remake of > "Astronomy" on _Imaginos_? *gak* I shut off the CD player during it > the first time it was playing. > > m > > I came here willingly > And I will go down valiantly > "The Golden Age of Leather" Exactly what do you mean by 'go down,' and how can one tell if it's done valiantly or cowardly?! theo From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 9 06:17:10 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:17:10 GMT Subject: HW: Richmond 1972 Message-ID: In your message dated Thursday 8, February 1996 you wrote : > I've got this Hawkwind tape, credited only 'Richmond 1972'. > >From the Hawkwind gig-list I learned they didn't do any gigs in > the US in 1972, so that leaves only London-Richmond I guess. > Does anyone know what the correct date is? The titles I was > given were merely 'Paranoia' and 'Improvisation'. It's said to > have been a 'free festival'. > > Jerry van Kooten > jvkooten at pi.net Hi Jerry, It was indeed Richmond, (Outer) London. Which is where I'm writing from. Somewhere I've a couple of photos, one of which is a naked Calvert strutting his funky stuff. I'm not sure what the date was, though. It was in the park at the top of the hill, as far as I recall it was just a one-dayer not a festival as such and there's never been any gigs in the park since, which is a shame coz it's a great park (about 30,000 acres) and it's well worth a visit around Autumn when the fungus starts appearing ;-> -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ 25 years of social reform, ain't gonna make me change or make me conform. From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Feb 9 14:43:25 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:43:25 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: <9602091841.AA14777@ultravox.East.Sun.COM> from "Michael Seher" at Feb 9, 96 01:41:06 pm Message-ID: Michael Seher writes: > > I don't think that's the line he's referring to. That line is > key to the song anyway. I mean, it's meant to be a "positive" song > about a friend(or maybe someone closer than that) getting out from under > the hand(s) of an abusive relationship. > > ...and am I the only one who still doesn't like the remake of > "Astronomy" on _Imaginos_? *gak* I shut off the CD player during it > the first time it was playing. Nope. :-) _Imaginos_ is one of my favorite albums, and the _Secret Treaties_ "Astronomy" is one of my favorite songs, but somehow the remake just doesn't do it for me. On the other hand, I love "Blue Oyster Cult", nee "Subhuman", and the remake of "Gil Blanco County", which got left off the album, is to die for - I think it's easily better than "Astronomy" or "Del Rio's Song". I suspect Pearlman probably excluded it because the album was already too long for vinyl, and the others were more central to the storyline, but DAMN, nobody can follow the storyline anyway! ;-) I occasionally harrass Al about "Gil Blanco County", in the hopes that he'll sneak it (maybe along with "The Girl That Love Made Blind", the other outtake that I know of) onto an album someday. :-) It rained so hard Said Injun Joe (he knows everything, you know) That it should wash The face of the of the earth And make us leave again - from Gil Blanco County Steve From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Fri Feb 9 14:25:53 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:25:53 EST Subject: Bad Astronomy on ...Imaginos? Message-ID: > ...and am I the only one who still doesn't like the remake of > "Astronomy" on _Imaginos_? What is it that you don't like about it? RR From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Feb 9 15:21:21 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:21:21 -0500 Subject: Bad Astronomy on ...Imaginos? Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-09 15:08:35 EST, you write: >> ...and am I the only one who still doesn't like the remake of >> "Astronomy" on _Imaginos_? > >What is it that you don't like about it? > >RR > > it sounds corny...poppy...dancy...it sux! ROBO From mseher at ULTRAVOX.EAST.SUN.COM Fri Feb 9 15:24:07 1996 From: mseher at ULTRAVOX.EAST.SUN.COM (Michael Seher) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:24:07 -0500 Subject: I'd Like to See You in Black Message-ID: mike> I came here willingly mike> And I will go down valiantly mike> "The Golden Age of Leather" theo> Exactly what do you mean by 'go down,' and how can one tell if it's theo> done valiantly or cowardly?! ?? Why are you asking me? Ask Buck. Am I being subject to some kind-of newbie initiation or something? m From mseher at ULTRAVOX.EAST.SUN.COM Fri Feb 9 15:43:22 1996 From: mseher at ULTRAVOX.EAST.SUN.COM (Michael Seher) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:43:22 -0500 Subject: Bad Astronomy on ...Imaginos? Message-ID: previously, I wrote... > ...and am I the only one who still doesn't like the remake of > "Astronomy" on _Imaginos_? Stephen Swann added > Nope. :-) _Imaginos_ is one of my favorite albums, and the _Secret > Treaties_ "Astronomy" is one of my favorite songs, but somehow the > remake just doesn't do it for me. "ross.reyes" asks > What is it that you don't like about it? What Stephen said. The original was so good that ANY attempt to top it, even with a live recording, would be most difficult task indeed. A friend and I used the lyrics to Astronomy as our part of an 11th grade Literature project on poetry.(!) This was in 1976. The other songs we were thinking about using the lyrics to were "Then Came the Last Days of May" and "Flaming Telepaths". The _Imaginos_ version just seems like they tried too hard to make it have a bit of a funky sound. Probably because the beat of the song is faster, as are the parts with the "Hey! Hey Hey!"'s. m All I need is a kiss from you, babe, Before it's hang-over time. All I need is some love from you, babe, Before the stampede arrives. "Death Valley Nights" From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Feb 9 16:00:31 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:00:31 -0600 Subject: HW's Latest Re-releases (fwd) Message-ID: Here's what I got as an answer from Griffin. Damon Capehart | The Society of Physics Students at UTD dcapehar at utdallas.edu | (yes, even though I'm actually a math major) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:45:43 -0500 From: GrifMus at aol.com To: dcapehar at utdallas.edu Subject: Re: HW's Latest Re-releases In a message dated 96-02-04 02:20:58 EST, you write: >1) Will you (Griffin) be handling the US release/distribution of these? We're trying... >2) If so, is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL of getting them stateside within - > say - a month of the UK/Europe release? Chances are they would happen between 1-3 months if we are able... >3) (less topical) What's the latest on the US release of ALIEN I AM? Still trying to sort things out with the UK-based company for release over here. ...and the title is now just "Aliens" >4) (more general) Why, as I've been wanting to ask for quite some time, > does it take so freakin' long to get some bands' albums (Hawkwind in > particular) stateside? Quite simply, no one bothered to pick them up until we came along. (their mistake) -Griffin From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 9 16:09:55 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:09:55 EST Subject: I'd Like to See You in Black Message-ID: > > mike> I came here willingly > mike> And I will go down valiantly > mike> "The Golden Age of Leather" > > theo> Exactly what do you mean by 'go down,' and how can one tell if it's > theo> done valiantly or cowardly?! > > ?? > Why are you asking me? Ask Buck. > Am I being subject to some kind-of newbie initiation or > something? > > m Always wondered about that Buck Dharma! Not that there's anything wrong with that sort of activity. No personal attack was meant--just trying to stir things up. Welcome to BOC-l, Mike! theo From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Feb 9 17:51:18 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 17:51:18 -0500 Subject: Turner/Cleopatra disc In-Reply-To: <960208153028.21410e26@pa.msu.edu> from "John McIntyre" at Feb 8, 96 03:30:28 pm Message-ID: John said: > > >From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > >>Is there a CD out with Uncle Nik entitled "Warrior on the Edge of Time"? > > >Well Joe I'm pretty sure that is the title and it does say Nik Turner not > >Hawkwind. Saw it in a store called Convergence Records (they advertise the > >Ozric Tentacles collection as the best in the area). Will double check for > >sure cause I got some off line responses on this and everyone seems pretty > >confused on the title. > > I'm guessing, but I think the disc in question might be _Nik Turner & > Travellers Of Space_. It's a Cleopatra "promo only" CD with cuts from > some of Cleopatra's spacier bands such as Nik Turner, Spiral Realms, > Melting Euphoria, etc. It's a nice collection, but all the cuts are > available on other discs. Repeat: *NO* otherwise unavailable cuts. Yeah, I think you're probably right about all these tracks being available elsewhere, but I was confused for awhile about one Spiral Realms track on there, entitled Voyage to Pluto from an album called Journeys from the Future. Now, I realise that this is actually the same song as Solar Wind (I think) from Crystal Jungles of Eos....presumably Simon changed both the name of that particular song as well as the name of the album between when this promo CD came out and when CJoE was released. Keith H. From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Fri Feb 9 18:47:52 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 18:47:52 -0500 Subject: B. O'Cult Songs Message-ID: OK here goes: >>according to Bolle, Warner Bros does...I thought Sony owned the rights and >>that Sony and WB were entirely 2 different companies All of the songs that I've written are owned by Sony Tunes (a division of Sony Publishing). I'm not sure about any of the song I DIDN'T write (i.e. the Moorcock tunes) so they may be co-owned by Warners or someone else. >This raises a question in my mind. I have seen Al post (on more than one >occasion) that he is still owed money by BOC. My impression was that the >monies due him related to songs and publishing. I will profess that I don't >know that much about the music biz, but it seems to me that if Al is owed $'s >for songs, the $'s should be paid to him by B. O'Cult Songs (which is owned >by Sony (according to Deb), not BOC). > >So, is this right? Does the band not really owe Al money, but Sony does? >Or am I confused (again)? In a word. Yes. I have been getting regular checks from Sony Tunes for over a year now. BOC has not paid a royalty to me since 1985 (and I know that SonyCBS has been sending them checks on my behalf). So the score is: Sony-good, BOC-bad. >songs? And just how did Sony get B. O'Cult Songs? Did the band have to >>sign away their songrights when they signed originally in the early 70's? No, we retained our publishing up until a little over a year ago when we sold the rights to Sony for a lot of money. I don't want to say anymore. Al From sjb20 at CORNELL.EDU Fri Feb 9 18:42:57 1996 From: sjb20 at CORNELL.EDU (Sharon Janet Buczko) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 18:42:57 -0500 Subject: I'd Like to See You in Black In-Reply-To: <3586830CF2@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > > > > > > ...and am I the only one who still doesn't like the remake of > > "Astronomy" on _Imaginos_? *gak* I shut off the CD player during it > > the first time it was playing. I have always called it "The Astronomy dance mix" It's different and I didn't like it at first but it grew on me. > > I came here willingly > > And I will go down valiantly > > "The Golden Age of Leather" > > > Exactly what do you mean by 'go down,' and how can one tell if it's I interpreted it to mean "die". They're dying valienlty because they are all dying an a fight with each other. I thought dying cowardly would mean either passively waiting for death or letting someone kill you without fighting back. ***************************************************************************** Behind closed eyes realize your sight Sharon (sjb20 at cornell.edu, sharon at abs-hq.net) ***************************************************************************** From kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Feb 9 19:47:10 1996 From: kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM (joel wendrow) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:47:10 -0800 Subject: The Ripper with BOC music Message-ID: You wrote: > >On Mon, 5 Feb 1996, joel wendrow wrote: > >> P.S. Am I the only one who doesn't like "I like you in black"? >> Just wondering. > > Joel - you're not alone. When I heard it in London I couldn't see >what all the fuss was about: bad attack of the record-stick syndrome, >thought I. But that's the only time I've heard it, and it maybe sounds >better a bit more, er, refined.. I know I couldn't tell you the tune, >and I only remember one line, can you guess which one? > JAZZA > Hey JAZZA, I couldn't have said it better myself. I have heard them play it five different times and I still don't like it. If they are going to right songs I would like to hear more of Buck's influence. I really liked his solo album and I must say I like his writing too. Joel From kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM Fri Feb 9 19:51:08 1996 From: kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM (joel wendrow) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:51:08 -0800 Subject: I'd Like to See You in Black Message-ID: > > ...and am I the only one who still doesn't like the remake of >"Astronomy" on _Imaginos_? *gak* I shut off the CD player during it >the first time it was playing. > > Sorry to disagree but I love the Imaginos version (too). Joel From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Feb 9 19:52:09 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:52:09 -0500 Subject: I'd Like to See You in Black Message-ID: Sharon said > I interpreted it to mean "die". They're dying valienlty because >they are all dying an a fight with each other. I thought dying cowardly would >mean either passively waiting for death or letting someone kill you >without fighting back. Sharon is dead right! Just 'cos some of you have dirty minds! BTW, the "new" "Astronomy" is equally excellent to the original, just different. Just possibly, the _SEE_ version is the best you can get, though. (No prizes for guessing what I think is the worst, though it's still the best thing on that particular album :) BTW2, Steve - one of these days, you'll hear Roky Erickson's "I Walked with a Zombie". :) - Andy From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Fri Feb 9 20:28:47 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 17:28:47 -0800 Subject: BOC tabs Message-ID: >> Aside from some songs >> possibly being released as sheet music (i.e. a single song - I have a >> sheet for "In Thee", and I believe there were sheets for "The Reaper" and >> "Shooting Shark" > > One of the guitar mags published tab for "Reaper" in the 80s. > >Cheers, >Carl "Guitar For the Practicing Musician" They also did 'Burnin' For You' in the same period. If anybody has either of these, I'd love to have xerox copies! And about copyright violations - Who cares- Pirate It!!! They don't want people sharing the informations unless they make money, yet hell will freeze over the day you see a BOC sheet music book published. From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Fri Feb 9 22:11:47 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 22:11:47 -0500 Subject: I'd Like to See You in Black Message-ID: To All: Having listened to 'I'd Like To See You In Black' frequently over the weeks prior to the band's Seattle shows of 2/1 & 2/2, I would have to give the track an enthusiastic thumbs-up... I don't think it's meant to be anything but a 'balls-out' rocker, as demonstrated by both it's tempo, and Eric's less-than-subtle vocal stylings throughout... 'Harvest Moon' on the other hand --- This track has a definite 'Buck' feel, and rolls very agreeably along through the first verses, until Mr. Dharma unloads in the middle. This one gets better every time I hear it. It harks back to the 'Spectres' era, and tracks like 'Death Valley Nights' and 'Fireworks'. Anyone else have any feelings on this one? I just can't bring myself to dislike ANY of the band's material, no matter how hard folks try to convince me... =) The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Fri Feb 9 22:11:57 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 22:11:57 -0500 Subject: BOC in NW Message-ID: Skip: >Saw the boys on Tuesday in Everett, WA (dump de jure). >The show was similar to Friday's show in Seattle. They kind >of took me by surprise w/the inclusion of Teen Archer. Here's what we could expect to be surprised with, based on a copy of the setlist Chris grabbed for me after the show on Friday, February 2nd: - Stairway - Dr. Music - OD'd - E.T.I. - Before The Kiss / Teen <---- aha! - See You In Black - Take Me Away / Joan <---- played Joan - Telepaths - Cities - Last Days / Astro / Vets <---- Astronomy on Friday! - In Thee - ME 262 / Buck's <---- ME on Friday! - Harvest Moon - Burnin' - Zilla - Reaper 1st - D & S 2nd - Summer / Golden Age 3rd - Red & The Black This is an EXACT replica of the setlist from that show. Those in attendance know that they shuffled it around a bit, putting 'Harvest Moon' in 5th, and using 'Lips In The Hills' as their first encore, entirely omitting either 'Summer' or 'Golden Age'. Thursday night's show had 'Lips' after 'In Thee' and no 'ME 262', and included my 'Christmas Present' from Eric & Buck, a mind-bending rendition of 'Last Days' with a solo in the center you would all have given up your left something-or-another to experience. I thank them again for fulfilling my request, made before the Christmas holiday... >Allen really made the show; his solo on Harvest Moon >was a high point. Allen always adds something, no matter what he's playing... =) >I finally got to hear "I Want to See You in Black". What a >great song! Sounds better each night I see them. Maybe >they'll play Golden Age on Saturday. Who knows?! This track was made to be played live. The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Feb 10 01:18:33 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:18:33 -0500 Subject: The Ripper with BOC music Message-ID: On 9-FEB-1996 14:11:37.2 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> >> P.S. Am I the only one who doesn't like "I like you in black"? >> >> Just wondering. >> > >> > Joel - you're not alone. When I heard it in London I >couldn't see > >what all the fuss was about: bad attack of the >record-stick syndrome, > >thought I. But that's the only time I've >heard it, and it maybe sounds > >better a bit more, er, refined.. I >know I couldn't tell you the tune, > >and I only remember one line, >can you guess which one? > >> I'd like it a lot better if they removed (and this may be the line >you're > remembering) >> >> "It makes me think your husband is dead" >> >> I hate that worse than "Demon's Kiss" repeated ad infinitum. >> >> -bryan >How about 'yeah' beginning every line of 'wings of mercury.' BTW, >has BOC done this song any time the last few years? >theo Hey, "Yeah" is one of Bloom's trademarks! Don't knock it. :) Chuck "Yeah, frontenac chateau, baby..." `[1;36;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Feb 10 01:18:44 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:18:44 -0500 Subject: The Ripper with BOC music Message-ID: On 9-FEB-1996 09:47:47.6 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Jon Jarrett writes: >> >> On Mon, 5 Feb 1996, joel wendrow wrote: >> >> > P.S. Am I the only one who doesn't like "I like you in black"? >> > Just wondering. >> >> Joel - you're not alone. When I heard it in London I >couldn't see > what all the fuss was about: bad attack of the >record-stick syndrome, > thought I. But that's the only time I've >heard it, and it maybe sounds > better a bit more, er, refined.. I >know I couldn't tell you the tune, > and I only remember one line, can >you guess which one? >I'm guessing that you probably haven't heard Demon's Kiss yet. *That* >one sounds like a particularly inept Poison cover. >It's a Demon's Kiss >A Demon's Kiss >A Demon's Kiss >A Demon's Kiss >It's a Demon's Kiss >A Demon's Kiss >A Demon's Kiss >A Demon's Kiss >- lyrics you will not be seeing in my signature line But you left out the best part: "Watch out or you'll get your wish" (See, it doesn't even quite rhyme!) Chu ck "Good minds open and take new might" `[1;34;46mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM Sat Feb 10 01:37:26 1996 From: des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM (E F) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 01:37:26 -0500 Subject: BOC in NJ!! Message-ID: BOC is scheduled to play the Birch Hill Nightclub in Oldbridge, NJ sunday Feb. 18th. They go on about 11pm. Call the club for details. This is a pretty good venue for them, it's a good sized "Rock Bar/Club" and last time I was there had a crowd of at least 200 people to see BOC. Cheers, --Eric From clgow at CRL.COM Sat Feb 10 02:46:27 1996 From: clgow at CRL.COM (Charlie Gow) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 23:46:27 -0800 Subject: I'd Like to See You in Black In-Reply-To: <960209221146_317746395@mail06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Douglas A. Mitchell wrote: > This track has a definite 'Buck' feel, and rolls very agreeably > along through the first verses, until Mr. Dharma unloads in the > middle. This one gets better every time I hear it. It harks back > to the 'Spectres' era, and tracks like 'Death Valley Nights' and > 'Fireworks'. Anyone else have any feelings on this one? Having been a devout Cult Fan for the past 22 years, I find it difficult to totally dislike any piece of BOC music. "I'd Like to See You in Black" may not conjure up the imagery of "Wings Wetted Down" but it is still a rollicking, kickass piece. It is certainly recognizable as a BOC tune. "Harvest Moon", as Doug points out, may start off a bit poppy and offputting to hardcore BOC fans, but Mr. Roeser's fretwork through the bridge absolutely kills. Anyone who's a true BOC fan will recognize Buck's hand in the development of this song. It is, IMNSHO, destined to be a Cult perennial. Charlie Brewmaster/Head Brewer "Brewery of Cult" From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat Feb 10 06:27:56 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:27:56 +0100 Subject: HW lyrics Message-ID: Hello >I got the HW lyrics from one of the sites here. There's one >line in Steppenwolf (last line), I thought had to be > 'ich weiss nicht was ich sagen soll' >which is German for > 'I don't know what I should say' >but the transcribor made some very strange words out of it. >Hope I could be of any help. Please note that my Germany (as >well as my English) are not perfect, I may have made some >mistakes in either language. Your German is absolutely correct Jerry. The translation is exact There is another German word which is used in a HAWKWIND song. During SPIRIT OF THE AGE on the Hawklords tour (see Plymouth, 23.11.78) BOB CALVERT sings: ZEITGEIST, ZEITGEIST The translation for ZEITGEIST is: SPIRIT OF THE AGE Bernhard From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 10 09:15:38 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 14:15:38 +0000 Subject: Cristabel In-Reply-To: <199601271942.OAA10857@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: First time I heard `Imaginos', I assumed this was `Los Cristobal' or something like that: there are lots of similarly named places in Latin America because of the Columbus connection, as someone posted a while back. But, it occurs to me, even with my very limited Spanish I can see that `Los' would be plural and `Cristobal' clearly isn't. So, I guess it isn't as I thought, and what the real interp. is is up for best guess as ever: I like Andrew's `Christabel' connection, but there are as good ones on the FAQ, which doesn't really seem to make it clear whether the place is in Cornwall or Mexico... I have to ask, is it a totally Pearlman thing, or is Al sitting at his comp with his tongue in cheek, while we flood the ether trying to work his words out? Yours mischeviously ( and ill-informedly ) JAZZA /----------------------------------------------------------\ | "So, Penfold, what did you think of Popacatepetl?" | | "Er, not yet chief, but I will as soon as we | | get to the kitchen." | |==========================================================| |Jonathan Jarrett ( History ) | Ext. Tel. 01223 460728 | | ( Pembroke College, | Int. Tel. 39082 | | Cambridge CB2 1RF ) or | E-MAIL: | | 2 Selwyn Gardens (7), | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | Cambridge CB2 1NG. | | \__________________________________________________________/ From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Sat Feb 10 13:03:22 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 13:03:22 -0500 Subject: I'd Like to See You in Black Message-ID: Charlie: >>This track has a definite 'Buck' feel, and rolls very agreeably >>along through the first verses, until Mr. Dharma unloads in the >>middle. This one gets better every time I hear it. It harks back >>to the 'Spectres' era, and tracks like 'Death Valley Nights' and >>'Fireworks'. Anyone else have any feelings on this one? >Having been a devout Cult Fan for the past 22 years, I find it >difficult to totally dislike any piece of BOC music. "I'd Like >to See You in Black" may not conjure up the imagery of "Wings >Wetted Down" but it is still a rollicking, kickass piece. It >is certainly recognizable as a BOC tune. "Harvest Moon", as >Doug points out, may start off a bit poppy and offputting to >hardcore BOC fans, but Mr. Roeser's fretwork through the bridge >absolutely kills. Anyone who's a true BOC fan will recognize >Buck's hand in the development of this song. It is, IMNSHO, >destined to be a Cult perennial. Now if we can only get Buck & Bloom to play 'Born To Rock', THAT would be something... =) >Charlie >Brewmaster/Head Brewer >"Brewery of Cult" To anyone who doesn't know about this yet, there now exist, in the Shadow Of California, true Blue Oyster Cult beers. Yes, excellent flavors of eclectic elixir, genuinely worthy of their rather unique names... - Buck's Blazing Bitter - Eric's Extraterrestrial Elixir - Allen's Alien Ale The Brewmaster of Cult is located in Santa Rosa, and will heretofore be referred to as Sir Charles Of Gow. I had the good fortune to sample the original recipe of the Buck's, and found it palatable (chuckle)... The beers are not yet commercially available, but they should be. Maybe if we all send Sir Charles a big check, he'll retire and take the Blue Oyster Cult name into the mainstream again, on bottles of his finest. Is it just me, or do you get the feeling that the Band is actually 'on the rise' here in the mid-90's? I look forward to attending the First Annual BOC BBQ 1996, at Casa De Gow. Attendance is, of course, voluntary. However, at this time the guest list does include some rather luminous folks on the BOC spectrum. Charlie also has a Red & Black barbeque sauce that I'm dying to try... =) E-mail Charlie directly for details, as he is the Chairman of the BOC BBQ Planning Committee. I'll be flying down from the Seattle area to attend this long weekend of beer, barbeque, and (of course) Blue Oyster Cult. The Boys might even join us in a 'virtual barbeque', if they are still out stomping about the countryside, leaving enormous reptilian footprints across the United States... It should be the beginning of a fine tradition, as I'm sure our growing numbers have the wherewithall to organize one of these every year... "Raise your can of beer on high!" The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 10 13:26:52 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:26:52 +0000 Subject: I'd Like to See You in Black In-Reply-To: from "Sharon Janet Buczko" at Feb 9, 96 06:42:57 pm Message-ID: > > > > I came here willingly > > > And I will go down valiantly > > > "The Golden Age of Leather" > > > > Exactly what do you mean by 'go down,' and how can one tell if it's > > I interpreted it to mean "die". They're dying valienlty because > they are all dying an a fight with each other. I thought dying cowardly would > mean either passively waiting for death or letting someone kill you > without fighting back. That's always been my interp as well. Never occured to me to look at it any other way. Cheers, Carl From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Sat Feb 10 16:13:04 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:13:04 -0500 Subject: bootleg/counterfeit Message-ID: Deb: >...obviously, when the "bootleg" is just another extension of >a dedicated fan's considerable investment-- emotional as well >as monetary--they've already got the CD or whatever, they just >want as much as they can get, and it's for their personal use >and for sharing their enthusiasm, turning other people on-- >that's very different from the guy who's simply copying the >material and selling it for profit. Because that's not about >sharing anything, that's just about ripping people off... Exactly! I've forwarded a letter to Boris's address in Kazakhstan, and I await his response. I'm interested to see whether or not he will respond at all, and in light of your earlier comments about his potential "connections", what his response will be... Thanks much for another perspective on this issue, as I was in a bit of a 'humanitarian fervor', if you will. Kevin, our Traffic Manager @ Microscan (my employer) received a return call from his friend at Expeditors about two days after I asked him about rates to our buddy Boris's corner of the globe. They were calling to mention this very topic, regarding the frequent illicit activities surrounding incoming materials from the U.S. in that part of the world. So, I sent the letter, to get a better feel for the situation... Thanks Deb. The Snowman. _?_ I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Visit the World Snow Virtual Store: Issaquah, Washington 98027 http://www.goski.com/wsnow.htm (206) 557-6654 bus. Call Toll Free to order World Snow goods! (800) 356-2956 ---------(Visa/MC ok!)----------> Dial: 1-800-FLO-BYLO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Feb 10 16:57:09 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:57:09 -0500 Subject: B. O'Cult Songs Message-ID: >Sony-good, BOC-bad. Hey, that sounds like a good song title. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM Sat Feb 10 17:09:03 1996 From: skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM (Skip Galvin) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 14:09:03 -0800 Subject: I'd Like to See You in Black In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Charlie Gow wrote: > > Having been a devout Cult Fan for the past 22 years, I find it > difficult to totally dislike any piece of BOC music. "I'd Like > to See You in Black" may not conjure up the imagery of "Wings > Wetted Down" but it is still a rollicking, kickass piece. It > is certainly recognizable as a BOC tune. "Harvest Moon", as > Doug points out, may start off a bit poppy and offputting to > hardcore BOC fans, but Mr. Roeser's fretwork through the bridge > absolutely kills. Anyone who's a true BOC fan will recognize > Buck's hand in the development of this song. It is, IMNSHO, > destined to be a Cult perennial. > > Charlie > Brewmaster/Head Brewer > "Brewery of Cult" > Harvest Moon is also a chance for Lanier to show off his skills as a lead guitar player. At the bridge, Lanier does some lead work before Dharma takes command. Skip From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Feb 10 18:28:30 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:28:30 -0500 Subject: HW: byron@tellabs.com Message-ID: See the e-mail addy above? Well, a couple of weeks ago a friend here forwarded a public note from Byron about some HW things he had for sale. I contacted Byron by private mail and we set up a deal. I give him 10 dollars, he give me Space Ritual II CD. So far, he has 10 dollars and I have no SRII. Now, I don't wanna jump the gun here, as it's not certain yet, but I would warn anyone who was thinking of ordering from him to wait. Or has someone dealt with him already? If so, what were the results? What worries me the most is that I THINK he said he'd sent it out already, that was about a week ago. He lives in the US. Since it hasn't arrived, I fear he may have just said that to appease me for the moment...now there's naught to do about it. Of course I've had no further e-mails from him. Funny how many times people disappear like that. I'll still give him benefit of the doubt, but if I don't receive it w/in the next week with no explanation...may this guy never fly again! Cor, he may have been selling his ONLY copies of these HW items, in which case he's obviously turning from good... Chuck From stayer at PI.NET Sat Feb 10 00:33:34 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 21:33:34 PST Subject: Bad Astronomy on ...Imaginos? Message-ID: >> ...and am I the only one who still doesn't like the remake of >> "Astronomy" on _Imaginos_? >What is it that you don't like about it? Er... I don't like it either. Well, it's a good song, but it doesn't come near the 74 version. There's a kind of mystical feeling to the first version, a kind of dark atmosphere. Jerry From jguizar at EPIX.NET Sun Feb 11 00:50:45 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 00:50:45 EST Subject: New Hawkwind video Message-ID: Something I came across from EAR/Rational. Supposed to be released the week of Feb 19/26. Any ideas on this? ______________________________________________________ Hawkwind-Chaos VIDEO JE287N $22.50 Previously unseen/unedited concert footage for you pot-addled old fogeys (Stelt!) and a new generation of freaky fans, features classic tracks in a superb show of psychedelic overdrive! 60 minutes of primo flick from the VisionaryArchives. (Visionary) ___________________________________________________________ Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Feb 11 01:51:29 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 07:51:29 +0100 Subject: HW: help identifying tape 11/5/80 Message-ID: Hello I'll try to connect ADRIAN PARR and ask him about the TREFOREST gig Bernhard From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Feb 11 16:14:17 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:14:17 +0000 Subject: New Hawkwind video In-Reply-To: <199602110534.AAA20567@epix.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Feb 1996, Jerry Guizar wrote: > Something I came across from EAR/Rational. Supposed to be released the > week of Feb 19/26. Any ideas on this? > > ______________________________________________________ > > Hawkwind-Chaos VIDEO JE287N $22.50 This was posted on BOC-L a while back (at the price of 12.99 BP), so I ordered a copy which was supposed to be at our office in Liecester when I arrived for my recent business trip. Unfortunately, it hadn't arrived by the time I'd left the UK :-) Unless someone gets a copy b4 me, I'll post a review when it does arrive on our (supposedly) sunny shores. Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Feb 11 08:40:45 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 08:40:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Sundial releases Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-08 09:18:10 EST, you write: >but have never seen >"Overspill" (but now that I've heard of it, I would like a copy). overspill-fireball,only a northern song,never fade,overspill. rj From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Feb 11 08:40:47 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 08:40:47 -0500 Subject: HW: videos Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-08 11:08:52 EST, you write: > Woops, forgot to ask in my last post: which gig >corresponds to to the Live Chronicles video : looks to be @85-86 > > this is london hammersmith odeon 1985. don't know day/mnth. rj From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sun Feb 11 09:05:11 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 06:05:11 -0800 Subject: HW:Richard Strange? Message-ID: Just saw an album entitles "The Phenomenal Rise of Richard strange". The drummer is one Martin Griffin. Could this be the former Hawk? Wylie From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sun Feb 11 09:07:57 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 06:07:57 -0800 Subject: HW:CoH LP Available Message-ID: I've got an extra Church of Hawkwind LP I'm willing to part with. M- cover and absolutely pristine vinyl, with book. Make an offer if you'd like... Wylie From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Feb 11 10:57:09 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 15:57:09 +0000 Subject: OFF: Sundial releases In-Reply-To: <960211084044_419782574@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "RJPXR5@AOL.COM" at Feb 11, 96 08:40:45 am Message-ID: > >but have never seen > >"Overspill" (but now that I've heard of it, I would like a copy). > > overspill-fireball,only a northern song,never fade,overspill. Oh fuck! I had been wondering where "Only a Northern Song" had gotten released. Well, if anyone ever stumbles across the damn thing at any price, let me know .... Cheers, Carl From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Sun Feb 11 12:25:00 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 12:25:00 -0500 Subject: HW:Richard Strange? In-Reply-To: <199602111405.GAA29471@ix9.ix.netcom.com> from "William Stone" at Feb 11, 96 06:05:11 am Message-ID: > > Just saw an album entitles "The Phenomenal Rise of Richard strange". > The drummer is one Martin Griffin. Could this be the former Hawk? > > Wylie > Yes...it is. And if you look at your Friends & Relations II album, you will see one of Richard Strange's songs, which is entitled 'Work' I think, but goes by another name (with different lyrics) on Strange's album(s). There was another Richard Strange album (which I have) called 'The Live Rise of Richard Strange', which appears to be a live concert from NYC, but with significant post-treatment (over-dubbing) in the studio. I think a list member here was the one who sent me a tape of the album you saw, so he could probably tell you more about that one. I think Paul Martinez, who played bass for Robert Plant, played with Strange for awhile, so there's a Led Zeppelin - Hawkwind link for ya'. Keith H. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sun Feb 11 14:56:27 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:56:27 -0500 Subject: HW: videos Message-ID: >> Woops, forgot to ask in my last post: which gig >>corresponds to to the Live Chronicles video : looks to be @85-86 >> >> > >this is london hammersmith odeon 1985. don't know day/mnth. rj Yes. According to Bernhard :- Live Chronicles = London, 03.December.1985 (04.December.1985) Thanks Martyn From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sun Feb 11 15:45:22 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 20:45:22 GMT Subject: New Hawkwind video In-Reply-To: Paul Ward's message of Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:14:17 +0000 Message-ID: > > ______________________________________________________ > > > > Hawkwind-Chaos VIDEO JE287N $22.50 > > This was posted on BOC-L a while back (at the price of 12.99 BP), so I > ordered a copy which was supposed to be at our office in Liecester when I > arrived for my recent business trip. Unfortunately, it hadn't arrived by > the time I'd left the UK :-) > > Unless someone gets a copy b4 me, I'll post a review when it does arrive > on our (supposedly) sunny shores. > hmmm - yep, I've ordered one too and nothing has arrived yet...... Either they're accumulating orders before running off copies or sommat funny is going on. I'll reserve judgement a while yet but it's worth noting. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Feb 11 16:24:54 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:24:54 +1100 Subject: HW: My life may be over .... Message-ID: Life's a bitch, and then you die :-( I can accept that I will probably never own WoteoT with the fold-out shield. I can survive without the fold-out XC as well, but this is way too much. Here I am, thinking that my copy of SR was an original release gatefold .... until I looked in Godwin's book. I never even knew that the there was a 3-way foldout .... A kollectors life is not a happy one! Does anyone know if the SR CD has the fold-out? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Feb 11 16:24:55 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:24:55 +1100 Subject: OFF: MM New World'sFair Message-ID: In my remorse, I nearly forgot ..... when I was in London I saw (after my Mastercard was up to it's limit) a boxed copy of _New World's Fair_ by Michael Moorcock & Deep Fix. If any UK BOC-L'ers are after this, you'll find it in HMV Oxford Street store (or it could have been HMV in the Trocadero center .... whichever one has the radio station in the middle). Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Sun Feb 11 16:59:34 1996 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 16:59:34 -0500 Subject: BS Fans Energized? Message-ID: At 03:03 PM 2/1/96 EST, you wrote: >> >> I think some people on the list here are more like amatuer musicians and >> might spend more time reading RS than the main stream BOC fan. >> I'd offer that many more BOC fans, and therefore potential tBS fans, >> would'nt bother reading those pubs. >> >> If it were on radio, and linked to ex BOC, then I think people take >> notice. Or maybe, an aticle in Popular Mechanics 'bout Al's Albertron.) >> >> RR > >RR, >Who you callin an amateur, son? If you mean amateur, as in the >literal translation, from the Latin 'amo', to love, then no problem. >I hang out with a lot of working musicians, and I don't think any of >them read RS, at least not on any regular basis. If you think that >guitar magazines only have article about how to hot wire a >Stratocaster to get all three pickups on at once, then you're >mistaken. I never listen to the radio [other than N.P.R.--BTW, >there's an interesting idea for Surgeons exposure. Deb, contact >Terri Gross at N.P.R. I think she might feature you and Al on 'Fresh >Air.] and I get all my impressions on new music from record reviews >and interviews with musicians that I read in guitar magazines. > >I think a plug in 'Guitar World' would do wonders for the Surgeons. >theo > > First let apologize for being behind on this thred - been way busy. I think the notion of an interview for N.P.R. is outstanding ! Shawn From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Feb 11 17:15:46 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:15:46 +0100 Subject: HW: My life may be over .... Message-ID: >Life's a bitch, and then you die :-( > >I can accept that I will probably never own WoteoT with the fold-out >shield. I can survive without the fold-out XC as well, but this is >way too much. Here I am, thinking that my copy of SR was an original >release gatefold .... until I looked in Godwin's book. I never even >knew that the there was a 3-way foldout .... A kollectors life is >not a happy one! > >Does anyone know if the SR CD has the fold-out? ok, sonique do you need my original spare copy vinyl right now? or can you stand the eons until EMI release their remasters 28th March? "Elaborate packing including fold-out double digipak with fold down 12 page booklet and 24 page booklet. The artwork reflects that of the original album" (courtesy Jon Browne) \\joe From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Feb 11 23:27:54 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:27:54 -0500 Subject: HW:CoH LP Available Message-ID: On 11-FEB-1996 09:12:24.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >I've got an extra Church of Hawkwind LP I'm willing to part with. M- >cover and absolutely pristine vinyl, with book. Make an offer if you'd >like... >Wylie 5 US dollars? Or maybe a trade? I have an extra copy of HotMG, BOC's On Your Feet, Pavlov's Dog's "At The Sound Of The Bell", Apollo 440's "Don't Fear The Reaper", to name a couple. Chuck `[1;32;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Feb 11 23:28:04 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:28:04 -0500 Subject: HW: My life may be over .... Message-ID: On 11-FEB-1996 17:32:31.9 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >>Life's a bitch, and then you die :-( >> >>I can accept that I will probably never own WoteoT with the fold-out >>shield. I can survive without the fold-out XC as well, but this is >>way too much. Here I am, thinking that my copy of SR was an original >>release gatefold .... until I looked in Godwin's book. I never even >>knew that the there was a 3-way foldout .... A kollectors life is >>not a happy one! >> >>Does anyone know if the SR CD has the fold-out? >ok, sonique >do you need my original spare copy vinyl right now? >or can you stand the eons until EMI release their remasters 28th March? >"Elaborate packing including fold-out double digipak with fold down 12 >page booklet and 24 page booklet. The artwork reflects that of the >original album" >(courtesy Jon Browne) >\\joe Take it, Paul! The CD couldn't possibly compare w/the original vinyl!! Chuck `[1;30;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Feb 11 23:40:56 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:40:56 -0500 Subject: BOC: Reaper cover\misc. Message-ID: Well, I was at a huge record/CD convention today and saw a record by a female artsist who's first and last name I completely forgot; I'm very sorry about this. The record is a cover of "DFTR" (credited to "Blue Oyster Cult" on the vinyl, instead of "D. Roeser"). I asked the vendor what sort of music we were talkin' here and he said techno. Great, we got that and Apollo 440 - maybe when we do the BOC tribute compilation, we can have a tape full of just techno Reapers? Anyway, he said it was rare. No, I didn't buy it,! Someone has it, or knows what I'm talking about, right?? If not, I deserve some serious abuse for not even getting the name down. Maybe it'll be there next Sept. OBother things I bought: TWO copies of OYFOOYK, both in great condition for 50 cents each! I almost cried! (Anyone need one?) A copy of UFO's Strangers In The Night for the same price Gong - Expresso II, for two dollars. Gentle Giant - Live, Playing The Fool (two dollars) Steve Hillage - L (two dollars) Kraftwerk - Autobahn (four dollars) Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells (two dollars) HW - Ca. Brainstorm (CD - 10 dollars) Any comments? Chuck From moriaud at AMLEMAN.EHQMTS.GEO.MTS.DEC.COM Mon Feb 12 03:24:06 1996 From: moriaud at AMLEMAN.EHQMTS.GEO.MTS.DEC.COM (MORIAUD) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:24:06 +0100 Subject: Bad Astronomy on ...Imaginos? Message-ID: > ...and am I the only one who still doesn't like the remake of > "Astronomy" on _Imaginos_? No you are not! I definitely think it's the worst version ever! I particularly don'tlike the "hey", "hey hey" vocals which denatures it all... ________________________________________________________________ Jean-Charles Moriaud Digital Equipment Corporation Tel: +41 22 709 4979 12, av. des Morgines Fax: +41 22 709 4140 1213 Petit-Lancy INet: jean-charles.moriaud at geo.mts.dec.com Geneva X.400: c=ch; a=400net; p=digital; o=digital; ou=geo Switzerland ________________________________________________________________ From a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK Mon Feb 12 05:39:29 1996 From: a.hughes at NEWI.AC.UK (Alun Hughes) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:39:29 GMT Subject: HW: help identifying tape 11/5/80 Message-ID: > Alun Hughes wrote: >>Treforest is effectively a suburb of Pontypridd, in South Wales, home of >>the University of Glamorgan and I would have thought a perfectly >>likely place for HW to play, though I don't know the Town Hall. > [bits cut] >If they are not close enough to actually justify a legitimate mix-up, >how about the order that the venues are played during this week? >..cut.. >>Norwich University 01-Nov-80 Sat >>London Hammersmith 02-Nov-80 Sun >>London Hammersmith 03-Nov-80 Mon >>Croydon Fairfields Hall 04-Nov-80 Tue >>Trefforest Town Hall 05-Nov-80 Wed >>Chelmsford Odeon 06-Nov-80 Thu >>Cardiff Polytechnic 08-Nov-80 Sat >>Hull City Hall 09-Nov-80 Sun >>Doncaster Rotters 10-Nov-80 Mon >>Grimsby Central Hall 11-Nov-80 Tue >..cut.. Just to add to the confusion - there is no Polytechnic in Cardiff and there wasn't one in 1980 - but the University of Glamorgan in Treforest was a Polytechnic then ..... Alun >Is playing in the towns of London/Croyden/Treforest/Chelmsford, in >exactly that order, likely to be a relevent fact? Or are they all >close enough in proximity to each other that nightly travel to any >of them could be equally likely? > >I think it unlikely that BOTH Treforest and St.Albans were played at, >simply because there is so little slack in the very tight gig schedule. >The only days off from the start and end of the tour were 18/10, >23/10, 27/10, 7/11, and 12/11. And on 6/11/80 we know that a song >was played that does not appear on the tape we are trying to identify. > >Perhaps we can still narrow down what date Treforest was most likely >played at, assuming that Treforest is where the gig actually happened. >Then there is still the issue of whether tapes labelled as Treforest >or as St.Albans were *actually* recorded at either of these venues -- >when the date is wrong, sometimes the venue is wrong too... :-( > > >Captain Cloud >cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com > > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 12 07:56:48 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:56:48 +0000 Subject: Bad Astronomy on ...Imaginos? In-Reply-To: <2603230912021996/A37472/SARRAZ> from "MORIAUD" at Feb 12, 96 09:24:06 am Message-ID: Ah, I must disagree. I quite like the Astronomy on _Imaginos_. It's very different of course, but I think fits well within the context of the album, and is a good remake on its own. I think Astronomy is just such a well-crafted song it would be very hard to ruin it unless you tried ... Cheers, Carl From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 12 07:58:46 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:58:46 EST Subject: I'd Like to See You in Black Message-ID: > > I have always called it "The Astronomy dance mix" It's different > and I didn't like it at first but it grew on me. > > > > I came here willingly > > > And I will go down valiantly > > > "The Golden Age of Leather" > > > > > > Exactly what do you mean by 'go down,' and how can one tell if it's > > I interpreted it to mean "die". They're dying valienlty because > they are all dying an a fight with each other. I thought dying cowardly would > mean either passively waiting for death or letting someone kill you > without fighting back. > > ***************************************************************************** > Behind closed eyes realize your sight > Sharon (sjb20 at cornell.edu, sharon at abs-hq.net) > ***************************************************************************** I knew that Buck was using that expression to mean go down in battle. I was trying to give mike a little needle, and be perverted at the same time. theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 12 08:06:12 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:06:12 EST Subject: I'd Like to See You in Black Message-ID: > > Having been a devout Cult Fan for the past 22 years, I find it > difficult to totally dislike any piece of BOC music. "I'd Like > to See You in Black" may not conjure up the imagery of "Wings > Wetted Down" but it is still a rollicking, kickass piece. It > is certainly recognizable as a BOC tune. "Harvest Moon", as > Doug points out, may start off a bit poppy and offputting to > hardcore BOC fans, but Mr. Roeser's fretwork through the bridge > absolutely kills. Anyone who's a true BOC fan will recognize > Buck's hand in the development of this song. It is, IMNSHO, > destined to be a Cult perennial. > > Charlie > Brewmaster/Head Brewer > "Brewery of Cult" Charlie, Right on, man. We can't expect the band to keep recyling the old stuff. I want to hear all the 'new' tunes live. Having been a BOC fan even longer than you, and having heard all the old tunes a million times, I'd get just as much a kick out of hearing new songs. How about shipping a couple cases of your brew to the northeast? theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 12 08:08:32 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:08:32 EST Subject: BOC in NJ!! Message-ID: > BOC is scheduled to play the Birch Hill Nightclub in Oldbridge, NJ > sunday Feb. 18th. They go on about 11pm. Call the club for details. > > This is a pretty good venue for them, it's a good sized "Rock Bar/Club" > and last time I was there had a crowd of at least 200 people to see BOC. > > Cheers, > > --Eric Hey, Torgo! I know this would be a hell of a drive, but are you going? theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 12 08:13:30 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:13:30 EST Subject: Cristabel Message-ID: > First time I heard `Imaginos', I assumed this was `Los Cristobal' > or something like that: there are lots of similarly named places in Latin > America because of the Columbus connection, as someone posted a while > back. But, it occurs to me, even with my very limited Spanish I can see > that `Los' would be plural and `Cristobal' clearly isn't. So, I guess it > isn't as I thought, and what the real interp. is is up for best guess as > ever: I like Andrew's `Christabel' connection, but there are as good ones > on the FAQ, which doesn't really seem to make it clear whether the place > is in Cornwall or Mexico... I have to ask, is it a totally Pearlman > thing, or is Al sitting at his comp with his tongue in cheek, while we > flood the ether trying to work his words out? Yours mischeviously ( and > ill-informedly ) > JAZZA > Don't know about Spanish, but I know in French there are a few idiomatic expressions that violate the traditional agreement between subject and pronoun. theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 12 08:16:40 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:16:40 EST Subject: I'd Like to See You in Black Message-ID: > > > > I came here willingly > > > > And I will go down valiantly > > > > "The Golden Age of Leather" > > > > > > Exactly what do you mean by 'go down,' and how can one tell if it's > > > > I interpreted it to mean "die". They're dying valienlty because > > they are all dying an a fight with each other. I thought dying cowardly would > > mean either passively waiting for death or letting someone kill you > > without fighting back. > > That's always been my interp as well. Never occured to me to > look at it any other way. > > Cheers, > Carl Jeez, I started this trying to be a wise-ass! But anyway, if we want to be scholarly, I guess that maybe the 'wanton child too dead to care' who was passed 'from man to man' may have fulfilled either interpretation of the phrase. theo From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Mon Feb 12 06:17:43 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:17:43 +0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Sonique wrote: > > Hawkwind-Chaos VIDEO JE287N $22.50 > This was posted on BOC-L a while back (at the price of 12.99 BP), so I > ordered a copy which was supposed to be at our office in Liecester when I > arrived for my recent business trip. Unfortunately, it hadn't arrived by > the time I'd left the UK :-) Does this mean I can have it....seeing as how you _didn't_ get in touch while you were in Leicester? I can pick it up...it's only down the road.. honest, no trouble! Maxine The night shall be filled with music And the cares that infest the day mxw at dmu.ac.uk Shall fold their tents like the Arabs http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw/ And as silently steal away. Honda CB250 RS H.W. Longfellow From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 12 08:21:03 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:21:03 EST Subject: BS Fans Energized? Message-ID: > >mistaken. I never listen to the radio [other than N.P.R.--BTW, > >there's an interesting idea for Surgeons exposure. Deb, contact > >Terri Gross at N.P.R. I think she might feature you and Al on 'Fresh > >Air.] and I get all my impressions on new music from record reviews > >and interviews with musicians that I read in guitar magazines. > > > >I think a plug in 'Guitar World' would do wonders for the Surgeons. > >theo > > > > > > First let apologize for being behind on this thred - been way busy. > > I think the notion of an interview for N.P.R. is outstanding ! > > Shawn Shawn, thanks for agreeing. I know most people think of NPR as being stuffy, and quite often they are, but they're also open to new things. I suggested 'Fresh Air' 'cause she's such a good interviewer, and would offer an in-depth look at the band. Also, she usually plays a song or two from the bands being interviewed. But Really, 'Morning Edition' might do a feature on them as well. What do ya think, Deb? theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 12 08:24:16 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:24:16 EST Subject: BOC: Reaper cover\misc. Message-ID: > Well, I was at a huge record/CD convention today and saw a > record by a female artsist who's first and last name I > completely forgot; I'm very sorry about this. The record is a > cover of "DFTR" (credited to "Blue Oyster Cult" on the vinyl, > instead of "D. Roeser"). I asked the vendor what sort of music > we were talkin' here and he said techno. Great, we got that and > Apollo 440 - maybe when we do the BOC tribute compilation, we > can have a tape full of just techno Reapers? Anyway, he said it > was rare. No, I didn't buy it,! Someone has it, or knows what > I'm talking about, right?? If not, I deserve some serious abuse > for not even getting the name down. Maybe it'll be there next > Sept. > > OBother things I bought: > > TWO copies of OYFOOYK, both in great condition for 50 cents > each! I almost cried! (Anyone need one?) > A copy of UFO's Strangers In The Night for the same price > Gong - Expresso II, for two dollars. > Gentle Giant - Live, Playing The Fool (two dollars) > Steve Hillage - L (two dollars) > Kraftwerk - Autobahn (four dollars) > Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells (two dollars) > HW - Ca. Brainstorm (CD - 10 dollars) > > Any comments? > > Chuck Chuck, too many to post here. could you post your private address? theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 12 08:32:41 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:32:41 EST Subject: BOC in NJ!! Message-ID: > > BOC is scheduled to play the Birch Hill Nightclub in Oldbridge, NJ > > sunday Feb. 18th. They go on about 11pm. Call the club for details. > > > > This is a pretty good venue for them, it's a good sized "Rock Bar/Club" > > and last time I was there had a crowd of at least 200 people to see BOC. > > > > Cheers, > > > > --Eric > > Hey, Torgo! > I know this would be a hell of a drive, but are you going? > theo Whoops, Didn't mean to leave you out, ROBO. This is probably a pretty easy trip for you, eh? theo From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Mon Feb 12 08:55:11 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:55:11 -0600 Subject: I'd Like to See You in Black In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 10 Feb 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > > > > > I came here willingly > > > > And I will go down valiantly > > > > "The Golden Age of Leather" > > > > > > Exactly what do you mean by 'go down,' and how can one tell if it's > > > > I interpreted it to mean "die". They're dying valienlty because > > they are all dying an a fight with each other. I thought dying cowardly would > > mean either passively waiting for death or letting someone kill you > > without fighting back. > > That's always been my interp as well. Never occured to me to > look at it any other way. > > Cheers, > Carl > at risk of a computerized stoning -maybe since this is a "biker" oriented song he means he's just trying to earn his red wings. -as cronicled in "hell's Angels" by hunter thompson i believe -mike psyche From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Feb 12 09:12:03 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:12:03 -0500 Subject: I'd Like to See You in Black In-Reply-To: from "Michael P Mccollum" at Feb 12, 96 07:55:11 am Message-ID: > > On Sat, 10 Feb 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > > > > > > > > I came here willingly > > > > > And I will go down valiantly > > > > > "The Golden Age of Leather" > > > > > > > > Exactly what do you mean by 'go down,' and how can one tell if it's > > > > > > I interpreted it to mean "die". They're dying valienlty because > > > they are all dying an a fight with each other. I thought dying cowardly would > > > mean either passively waiting for death or letting someone kill you > > > without fighting back. > > > > That's always been my interp as well. Never occured to me to > > look at it any other way. > > > > Cheers, > > Carl > > > at risk of a computerized stoning > -maybe since this is a "biker" oriented > song he means he's just trying to earn his red wings. > -as cronicled in "hell's Angels" by hunter thompson i believe > -mike psyche > Duuuuh, what does "earnin' red wings mean, George? What does it mean, huh? C'mon George, tell me, huh?" (_I_ know what it means, I just wanna put mike on the spot, heh-heh! >:-) ). I think the reference is that the biker making the statement means that he knows that he ain't leaving there alive, but he is for damn sure gonna give a helluva lot better than he gets! Sounds like he might have been in Uncle Sam's Motorcycle Club at sometime prior... objCDPlayer: Camel / Harbour Of Tears -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From ABrevard at SHL.COM Mon Feb 12 02:13:43 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R. (MSMail)) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:13:43 -0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 9 Feb 1996 to 10 Feb 1996/Comments Message-ID: Hmm don't like "I'd Like To See You In Black"? When I first heard it in '94 was not too impressed couldn't even remember it after the show. In '95 is sounded pretty cool and the audience went beserk. Maybe it is one of those things where we put a lot of stock in it because you can only hear it live. Still I like it well enough and Harvest Moon too. Regarding Astronomy, well you are bound to dislike this version (Imaginos) if you are heavily into the ST version. ST version along with Subhuman & Flaming Telepaths is what makes ST the best alnum by far. Still Imaginos version is pretty good if you don't expect the real Astronomy, its just different. BOC is definitley a better re-write though. AB Five in the player recently Alan Parsons Project - Tales of Mystery & Imagination (Torgo I found it!) Queensryche - Rage for Order Frank Marino & MH - Tales of the Unexepcted " " " - Double Live " " " - LIve From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Mon Feb 12 09:21:12 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:21:12 -0600 Subject: OFF: Sundial releases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 11 Feb 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > >but have never seen > > >"Overspill" (but now that I've heard of it, I would like a copy). > > > > overspill-fireball,only a northern song,never fade,overspill. > > Oh fuck! I had been wondering where "Only a Northern Song" had > gotten released. Well, if anyone ever stumbles across the damn thing > at any price, let me know .... > > Cheers, > Carl > i have a tape someone made me called -other side i think it has about the same track list . i'm thinking overspill is the thing i have - any sundial freak know about this -the first song says something bout - "to the other side" and is real cool - is this the song overspill? kind of lost here ps -speaking of sundial - i was just in the right spot at the right time i went home to huntsville this weekend and my favorite independant record store-"sunburst" was having a ground hogs day sale (yeah, a week late) i picked up sundials "return journey" cd priced $19 for $14 (he didn't know what he had) also got a cd called- sci fi party- our flight through the cosmic music its a cool krautrock sampler that has a little cosmic jokers, ashra,etc.this was only 4 bucks. and got Astounding sounds Amazing music used for $4 needless to say i spent 32 dollars and walked out of there with 4 cool cds that place rocks- i also went to best buy to try and hunt down those u.s. porcupine tree cd's for some reason they say that they won't carry them- those jerks, didn't some of ya'll find PT at your local BB? -mike psyche From kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Feb 12 09:53:23 1996 From: kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM (joel wendrow) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 06:53:23 -0800 Subject: I'd Like to See You in Black Message-ID: >> > >> at risk of a computerized stoning >> -maybe since this is a "biker" oriented >> song he means he's just trying to earn his red wings. >> -as cronicled in "hell's Angels" by hunter thompson i believe >> -mike psyche >> >Duuuuh, what does "earnin' red wings mean, George? What does it mean, huh? >C'mon George, tell me, huh?" > Hi, I hope I don't offend anyone with this answer but to earn your "red wings" you have to go down on a woman during her period. A biker ritual. Joel From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Mon Feb 12 09:47:17 1996 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:47:17 +0000 Subject: Bad Astronomy on ...Imaginos? Message-ID: > Ah, I must disagree. I quite like the Astronomy on _Imaginos_. >It's very different of course, but I think fits well within the context >of the album, and is a good remake on its own. > I think Astronomy is just such a well-crafted song it would be >very hard to ruin it unless you tried ... > >Cheers, >Carl > It seems to me they tried to pretty hard on the disco mix I've got on 12" single (I think it's the Wild Thing/King mix) that's pretty terrible. I I I ---- 0 ---- I - I -- From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Mon Feb 12 10:55:59 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:55:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Chaos video Message-ID: Hi there I've received today the Chaos video. Looks great, like the Dery 1993 video The title BLOOD OF MEN is wrong. The right title is: LOST CHRONICALS Bernhard From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 12 10:58:20 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:58:20 EST Subject: I'd Like to See You in Black Message-ID: > >> > >Duuuuh, what does "earnin' red wings mean, George? What does it mean, > huh? > >C'mon George, tell me, huh?" > > > Hi, > I hope I don't offend anyone with this answer > but to earn your "red wings" you have to go down > on a woman during her period. A biker ritual. > > Joel Hey, maybe that's what Buck means by 'I will go down valiantly!?' theo From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Feb 12 11:10:48 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:10:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree at BB In-Reply-To: from "Michael P Mccollum" at Feb 12, 96 08:21:12 am Message-ID: > CHOMP! > > and got Astounding sounds Amazing music used for $4 > Probably 'cuz someone bought the new version with the extra tracks onnit. Still, a helluva deal! > needless to say i spent 32 dollars and walked out of there with 4 cool cds > that place rocks- > Was in San Jose last week and late Saturday I finally had the chance to do a little CD shopping. Got to swing by Compact Disc Warehouse on El Camino; if you are in the area, check 'em out! They have a progressive section, which is quite small, but the prices are dirt-cheap! I picked up a couple of Italian-prog things for $12.00 each and saw a number of bins with some decent bands listed, but were empty (alright, who got there before me?!?) Lotsa good stuff out in the regular bins, including a number of roios (roio=recordings of illegitimate origin, i.e. bootlegs). The Ozrics were well represented, and _cheap_ (Erpland, $11.99, no way!!! WAY!!!) except for BtO, at $21.99. Tons of HW in the used bins, too... And the local Tower finally produced copies of Anubian Nights (an analog/ vintage synths freaks dream!) releases and the Farflung CD. And Stan Ridgeways' new one. If I only could have found _Alien_4_... > i also went to best buy to try and hunt down those u.s. porcupine tree cd's > for some reason they say that they won't carry them- those jerks, didn't > some of ya'll find PT at your local BB? > -mike psyche > Found _Sky_Moves_Sideways_ at a Tower Records in Tysons' Corner, VA a couple of weeks ago. Did the computer at BB even show a listing for the PT CD? If it did, get the bums to order you one (BB is having financial difficulties so this may explain the hunkering down attitude/selection as of late...) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon Feb 12 13:14:08 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:14:08 -0500 Subject: BS Fans Energized? Message-ID: That is a good idea. Does anyone have an address for NPR? Thanks. DF From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 12 13:32:43 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:32:43 +0000 Subject: OFF: Rymdrock fra*n Sverige! Message-ID: Wow! Just got a massive Darxtar shipment in from Johan Edlundh! A big thanks to Johan, as I am now awash in Scandinavian space :) _Sju_ is really good. It definitely takes the band in new directions without leaving its roots. I think this is a must for proggers and space-rockers alike. Personally, I think it could have been heavier ;) but I think that about a lot of stuff, and I'm certainly not complaining about _Sju_! A great album, and the sound is quite good. Thanks again to Johan for including various Darxtar related booklets and papers! I've also checked out the first self-titled Darxtar album now, which is also very good, if a little disconcerting as all the songs follow directly from one another on a single long track. I've also checked out the extremely rare second CD _Darker_ for the first few tracks, and it promises to be no disappointment either. What a great band. I definitely recommend people attempt to check out _Sju_ when they can! Cheers, Carl From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Feb 12 13:34:21 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:34:21 -0500 Subject: PT TRANSMISSION # 19 (fwd) Message-ID: Hello Ozrics, HW/BOC and TD mailing lists, Forwarded without permission for those of you in the UK. Damn, I'm jealous, the Ozrics, Gong, SSO AND Porcupine Tree, all on the same bill! Can someone get me a T-shirt??? Craig Forwarded message: > From: delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk (Ivor Trueman) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-Iffen you want to get on the mailing list. > Subject: PT TRANSMISSION # 19 > > PORCUPINE TREE - TRANSMISSION # 19 > > Here's the full low down on the Bath gig on 6th April... plus... > PT are also now confirmed as playing support for Gong on 4th April at > Manchester Uni and April 12th at The Forum - no other details of these yet, > but here's the full line-up etc for the Bath bash! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Rainbow Dome Presents... > > The legendary .......... GONG > with very special guests: Ozric Tentacles > and Porcupine Tree > Here & Now > Star Sounds Orchestra (featuring Steve Schroyder > from Tangerine Dream > and Ash Ra Temple) > Global > Dr. Didg > Glo (featuring Gilli Smyth + Steffy Sharpstrings) > Mandragora > Saddar Bazaar > Moonboot Oz (featuring Gary + Kim from Magic > Mushroom Band / Astralasia) > > Saturday 6th April 1996 > The Pavilion, North Parade Rd, Bath > Noon - Midnight > > Bar / Food / Stalls > > Price 15 GBP Advance > > Tickets available with No Booking Fee from: > 5 The Old Stables, Kyre Park, Tenbury Wells, Worcestershire, WR15 8RW > (Cheques / PO's to J.A. Smith - Please enclose a SAE) > > Credit Card Bookings: 01225 447770 > > INFORMATION HOTLINE: 01885 410509 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 12 13:46:54 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:46:54 EST Subject: BS Fans Energized? Message-ID: > Subject: Re: BS Fans Energized? > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 > > That is a good idea. Does anyone have an address for NPR? > Thanks. > DF Deb, Sorry, I can't pick up the channel here at work. There are actually several syndicated shows on NPR that would likely be interested in the Surgeons. Usually sometime during each segment they give an address, phone # or email address. I'll be listening on the way home, and I'll see if I can catch an address. theo From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Feb 12 14:03:24 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:03:24 -0500 Subject: BOC: Ripper Message-ID: This month's _Personal Computer World_ (UK) has a demo on the cover CD - well it's more of a cinema-style trailer really, it's not an interactive demo at all - looks very slick, with (the excellent) Christopher Walken, Burgess "Penguin" Meredith and John "Sliders" Rhys-Davies among the cast. But who knows what the game-play's like? Anyway, "(Don't Fear) the Reaper" (_CC_ version) is playing in the background all through the trailer. No clues as to what other BOC music (if any) is featured in the actual game. Big BOC namecheck though, so I'd hope for more than one song. - Andy From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Feb 12 14:13:45 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:13:45 -0500 Subject: OFF: Rymdrock fra*n Sverige! Message-ID: > I've also checked out the first self-titled Darxtar album now, >which is also very good, if a little disconcerting as all the songs follow >directly from one another on a single long track. I've also checked out >the extremely rare second CD _Darker_ for the first few tracks, and it >promises to be no disappointment either. There's a track on there called "Fireclown" that fits along perfectly alongside BOC's "The Great Sun Jester".... I liked both albums, "Aberrant Station" in particular. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Feb 12 16:34:47 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 21:34:47 GMT Subject: PT TRANSMISSION # 19 (fwd) In-Reply-To: Craig Shipley's message of Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:34:21 -0500 Message-ID: > > Dr. Didg This is the guy who used to play didgeridoo in Outback, for those of you that have heard them. I've no idea what his current music sounds like. Dave. From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Feb 12 16:51:34 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 21:51:34 GMT Subject: PT TRANSMISSION # 19 (fwd) Message-ID: > > > > Dr. Didg > > This is the guy who used to play didgeridoo in Outback, for those of you > that have heard them. I've no idea what his current music sounds like. > > Dave. > He's really cool. On recordings he does ambient techno-ish stuff with his didgeridoo on top. Live he plays with a band and does spacey-ish stuff. I've seen him several times now, but each time has been at some ungodly hour of the morning in the green-fields at Glastonbury so I don't know what he's like under "normal" conditions. The Gong/Ozrics gig sounds amazing, not only was I going to be in the West Country that week, but I was also going to Bath that very day to watch Bristol Rovers (probably the best soccer team in the world) ;-). Wow!!! Good football, nice cider and great music...what more could I ask for (apart from lots of money, lots of sex and Hawkwind added to the bill). bye - a very excited Rob From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Mon Feb 12 17:01:50 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:01:50 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: Well sorry ya'll didn't go ga ga over the remake. It was quite conciously made "commercial" by Pearlman and Columbia Brass. I thought the track was kinda cool myself. We were going for the "On The Edge of 17" -by S. Nicks-feel because I thought it was relevant to the emotional content of the track. The only problem was that the take SP liked was a little fast to sing. I guess the speed made it a little dance -oriented as well. At least it was different. > It rained so hard > Said Injun Joe > (he knows everything, you know) (he knows all there is to know) > That it should wash > The face of the of the earth > And make us leave again > - from Gil Blanco County Make us CLEAN again. Big Difference. Al From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Feb 12 17:45:17 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:45:17 -0500 Subject: The Aliens are coming!!! Message-ID: The Electronic Telegraph Monday 12 February 1996 World News [World News] Signal from aliens likely 'by 2000' By Adrian Berry This report appeared in the last edition of The Sunday Telegraph AMERICAN astronomers, having found four planets beyond our solar system, believe they will soon detect radio signals from alien civilisations. "I believe the odds on there being advanced civilisations in our Milky Way galaxy are a thousand to one on," said Prof Paul Horowitz, of Harvard University. His team operates an 84ft radio telescope near Boston that continually searches the sky for artificial signals. "Every day we pick up radio 'noise' from space that is equal to 22 trillion bytes of data, equivalent in information content to 50 million novels," he told the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. So far there have been many false alarms where likely signals have failed to repeat themselves. Another astronomer, Prof Frank Drake, said: "The real signal, when it is found, will be unmistakable. I strongly believe that we shall find one before the year 2000." Other scientists warn that it could be dangerous to advertise our own presence on Earth by transmitting signals. Prof Robert Rood, of Harvard, said: "The civilisation that blurts out its existence on interstellar beacons at the first opportunity may be like some early hominid descending from the trees and calling 'Here, kitty' to a sabre-toothed tiger." The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence programme is being carried out privately by Prof Horowitz's team and another in Australia. Electronic Telegraph is a Registered Service Mark of The Telegraph plc From jguizar at EPIX.NET Mon Feb 12 17:59:13 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:59:13 EST Subject: OFF: Rymdrock fra*n Sverige! Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:32:43 +0000 you wrote: > Wow! Just got a massive Darxtar shipment in from Johan Edlundh! >A big thanks to Johan, as I am now awash in Scandinavian space :) > > What a great band. I definitely recommend people attempt to >check out _Sju_ when they can! You interested in selling them :). I already got the first and Daybreak from Johan, I'm waiting for Darker and Sju now (along with Spacious Mind). Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon Feb 12 18:14:06 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:14:06 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Feb 12, 96 05:01:50 pm Message-ID: Albert T Bouchard writes: > > Well sorry ya'll didn't go ga ga over the remake. It was quite > conciously made "commercial" by Pearlman and Columbia Brass. I thought the > track was kinda cool myself. Who knows what we might have thought of it, if it wasn't a remake. > We were going for the "On The Edge of 17" -by > S. Nicks-feel because I thought it was relevant to the emotional content of > the track. The only problem was that the take SP liked was a little fast to > sing. I guess the speed made it a little dance -oriented as well. At least > it was different. Well, on the topic of "different"... would you believe that the song I hear named most often as the song wich really 'makes the album' is... "Magna of Illusion" ? It seems to be a great fan favorite (even though I think most people would agree that it's probably not well suited to have been a single). :-) > > It rained so hard > > Said Injun Joe > > (he knows everything, you know) > > (he knows all there is to know) Whoops, that was just my bad memory... > > That it should wash > > The face of the of the earth > > And make us leave again > > - from Gil Blanco County > > Make us CLEAN again. Big Difference. ...but that one I definitely heard wrong. Of course, once you get that song onto an album, so we can all use our CD players and headphones, these little mistakes won't happen anymore. ;-) Steve From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon Feb 12 18:17:48 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:17:48 -0500 Subject: The Aliens are coming!!! In-Reply-To: <9602122245.AA06030@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Feb 12, 96 05:45:17 pm Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > > The Electronic Telegraph Monday 12 February 1996 World News > > [World News] > [...] > > The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence programme is being carried out > privately by Prof Horowitz's team and another in Australia. Jeez, I had no idea that BOC records were so hard to aquire down under. :-) Steve From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Mon Feb 12 19:30:24 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:30:24 -0800 Subject: BS Fans Energized? In-Reply-To: <960212131407_319832985@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Feb 1996 DFrost8547 at AOL.COM wrote: > That is a good idea. Does anyone have an address for NPR? > Thanks. > DF > I think info at npr.org will work. Weekend Show's address is wesun at npr.org, so . . . - Passerby From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Mon Feb 12 23:05:05 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 23:05:05 -0500 Subject: BOC: Reaper cover\misc. Message-ID: On 12-FEB-1996 08:44:12.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> Well, I was at a huge record/CD convention today and saw a >> record by a female artsist who's first and last name I >> completely forgot; I'm very sorry about this. The record is a >> cover of "DFTR" (credited to "Blue Oyster Cult" on the vinyl, >> instead of "D. Roeser"). I asked the vendor what sort of music >> we were talkin' here and he said techno. Great, we got that and >> Apollo 440 - maybe when we do the BOC tribute compilation, we >> can have a tape full of just techno Reapers? Anyway, he said it >> was rare. No, I didn't buy it,! Someone has it, or knows what >> I'm talking about, right?? If not, I deserve some serious abuse >> for not even getting the name down. Maybe it'll be there next >> Sept. >> >> OBother things I bought: >> >> TWO copies of OYFOOYK, both in great condition for 50 cents >> each! I almost cried! (Anyone need one?) >> A copy of UFO's Strangers In The Night for the same price >> Gong - Expresso II, for two dollars. >> Gentle Giant - Live, Playing The Fool (two dollars) >> Steve Hillage - L (two dollars) >> Kraftwerk - Autobahn (four dollars) >> Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells (two dollars) >> HW - Ca. Brainstorm (CD - 10 dollars) >> >> Any comments? >> >> Chuck >Chuck, >too many to post here. could you post your private address? >theo herbert119 at delphi.com `[1;32;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Feb 13 01:02:35 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:02:35 +1100 Subject: (Fwd) Results of FINDCD Hawkwind Message-ID: Here's another CD source that some may be interested in. I have *no* idea if they are reliable or not! 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Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au World Wide Web: http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 12 14:53:15 1996 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:53:15 GMT Subject: HW:Richard Strange? In-Reply-To: <199602111405.GAA29471@ix9.ix.netcom.com> (from William Stone ) (at Sun, 11 Feb 1996 06:05:11 -0800) Message-ID: > Just saw an album entitles "The Phenomenal Rise of Richard strange". > The drummer is one Martin Griffin. Could this be the former Hawk? > I know Griffin is on some of his stuff. I have two Richard Strange and Doctors of Madness Albums which I think I must have bought because of this connection - though neither of these has Griffin on as far as I can tell since noone is listed by their real name. One of them still has the price sticker on and I can see it cost me a pound so maybe that had something to do with buying it. I would hate to describe the style to anybody - maybe mid 70s Art school, Velvet Underground early punk (!!!) sorry that sounds so pretentious. To completely confuse all of you in America Richard Strange sometimes appears in the second series of "Men Behaving Badly" which is currently being rerun on the BBC. He plays Neville who is supposed to be an ex heavy metal roadie who now owns a market stall. There Im sure you were dying to know that. Bye David From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Feb 13 04:50:25 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:50:25 +0000 Subject: Bad Astronomy on ...Imaginos? In-Reply-To: <2603230912021996/A37472/SARRAZ> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, MORIAUD wrote: > > ...and am I the only one who still doesn't like the remake of > > "Astronomy" on _Imaginos_? Well, as this seems to be turning into a vote, let me just give a big thumbs up for the Imaginos version of Astronomy. Dave From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 13 05:43:04 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:43:04 GMT Subject: The Aliens are coming!!! In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:45:17 -0500 Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > Prof Robert Rood, of Harvard, said: "The civilisation that blurts out its > existence on interstellar beacons at the first opportunity may be like some > early hominid descending from the trees and calling 'Here, kitty' to a > sabre-toothed tiger." It's gonna be kinda bad if the Earth gets trashed because the aliens are annoyed about the last episode of Dynasty. FoFP "Never mind your leader earthling, where's the Hawkwind gig?" From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Tue Feb 13 10:36:08 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:36:08 U Subject: Bad Astronomy on ...Imaginos? Message-ID: >> > ...and am I the only one who still doesn't like the remake of > >> "Astronomy" on _Imaginos_? >Well, as this seems to be turning into a vote, let me just give a big >thumbs up for the Imaginos version of Astronomy. And me. Thumbs up. Cheers, Rich. ** The trouble is these days you never see a dog on the pitch ** From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 13 05:46:04 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:46:04 GMT Subject: HW:Richard Strange? In-Reply-To: David Jones's message of Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:53:15 GMT Message-ID: David Jones writes: > To completely confuse all of you in America Richard Strange sometimes > appears in the second series of "Men Behaving Badly" which is currently > being rerun on the BBC. He plays Neville who is supposed to be an ex heavy > metal roadie who now owns a market stall. There Im sure you were dying to > know that. "Men Behaving Badly" now *there's* a genius TV series. Imagine "The Young Ones" done realistically. I sometimes cringe as I realise I've had the conversations or done the actions in Real Life (tm) Plus whatsername's a babe. > David FoFP From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Tue Feb 13 11:45:05 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:45:05 U Subject: HW:Richard Strange? Message-ID: >"Men Behaving Badly" now *there's* a genius TV series. Imagine "The >Young Ones" done realistically. I sometimes cringe as I realise I've had >the conversations or done the actions in Real Life (tm) >Plus whatsername's a babe. Leslie Ash. Cheers, Rich. ** The trouble is these days you never see a dog on the pitch ** From 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM Tue Feb 13 07:13:43 1996 From: 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Alexandre GARCIA) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 07:13:43 EST Subject: Bad Astronomy on ...Imaginos? Message-ID: >> > ...and am I the only one who still doesn't like the remake of > >> "Astronomy" on _Imaginos_? >Well, as this seems to be turning into a vote, let me just give a big >thumbs up for the Imaginos version of Astronomy. Hello everyone. I'm new to this list so I just thought I'd say hi. And while I'm at it, I'll add my vote : I like both versions of "Astronomy". The one on IMAGINOS, I believe, fits perfectly into the concept of the album --- and the "hey, hey hey" part actually doesn't bother me much ; I even like it quite a bit :-) Alex. From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 13 07:38:24 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 12:38:24 GMT Subject: HW:Richard Strange? In-Reply-To: Richard Lockwood's message of Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:45:05 U Message-ID: Richard Lockwood writes: > >"Men Behaving Badly" now *there's* a genius TV series. Imagine "The > >Young Ones" done realistically. I sometimes cringe as I realise I've had > >the conversations or done the actions in Real Life (tm) > > >Plus whatsername's a babe. > > Leslie Ash. Nah, the other one. Paul Merton's wife. > Rich. FoFP From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 13 08:10:50 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:10:50 EST Subject: off:Aliens are coming Message-ID: > Martyn White writes: > > > Prof Robert Rood, of Harvard, said: "The civilisation that blurts out its > > existence on interstellar beacons at the first opportunity may be like some > > early hominid descending from the trees and calling 'Here, kitty' to a > > sabre-toothed tiger." > > It's gonna be kinda bad if the Earth gets trashed because the aliens are > annoyed about the last episode of Dynasty. > > FoFP > > "Never mind your leader earthling, where's the Hawkwind gig?" Hey, have you seen the trailers lately for a flick called 'Independence Day,' where earth gets invaded by a gigantic alien spacechip? Looks really jingoistic, in a Reaganesque sort of way: 'Independence Day: When we fight back!' Gotta spend that 'peace dividend' somehow. theo From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 13 08:51:45 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:51:45 GMT Subject: Calling Dave C, Scott and Henrik Message-ID: I have some packages for you guys now that the latest Postal strike is over. Could you email me your snailmail addresses and I'll get 'em out. Cheers FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 13 09:07:07 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:07:07 +0000 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Feb 12, 96 05:01:50 pm Message-ID: Speaking of remakes and out-takes from Imaginos ... I've been giving the _CoC_ "Baby Ice Dog" careful listening and am utterly convinced that it blows away the original completely and without survivors ;) An excellent vocal performance from Deb. With that in mind, I can't help thinking what a tBS version of "I Am the One" from _Imaginos_ would sound like--I think Deb's vocals would suit this one pretty well also. After all, its a real shame that such a killer song languishes due to being on such a "limbo" album ... Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 13 09:15:09 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:15:09 +0000 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: <199602122314.SAA04129@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Feb 12, 96 06:14:06 pm Message-ID: > > Well sorry ya'll didn't go ga ga over the remake. It was quite > > conciously made "commercial" by Pearlman and Columbia Brass. I thought the > > track was kinda cool myself. > > Who knows what we might have thought of it, if it wasn't a remake. Probably would have liked it. As a youngster in BOC fandom terms I heard the _Imaginos_ version first, and thought it was cool. Then when I heard the original, I thought it was cool as well. It is often so that when people have gotten used to hearing something a certain way, they balk at changes. The "classicness" syndrome strikes again ;) (Obviously this doesn't cover all the cases, though). > would you believe that the song I > hear named most often as the song wich really 'makes the album' is... > "Magna of Illusion" ? It seems to be a great fan favorite (even > though I think most people would agree that it's probably not well > suited to have been a single). :-) Bizarre. It took me a long while to warm to "Magna". It took me nearly as long to warm to "BOC" and I have yet to warm to the chorus of "Imaginos" ;) What I instantly liked on the album, apart from "I Am the One" and the MHA (most holy "Astronomy" ;) was "Siege and Investiture ...". Great piece. (And one I can't really see _anyone_ being able to cover respectively ;) Cheers, Carl From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Feb 13 09:23:34 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:23:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: Reaper cover\misc. In-Reply-To: <01I155Q0EH209FNKAA@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Feb 12, 96 11:05:05 pm Message-ID: > > On 12-FEB-1996 08:44:12.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 > >> Well, I was at a huge record/CD convention today and saw a > >> record by a female artsist who's first and last name I > >> completely forgot; I'm very sorry about this. The record is a > >> cover of "DFTR" (credited to "Blue Oyster Cult" on the vinyl, > >> instead of "D. Roeser"). I asked the vendor what sort of music > >> we were talkin' here and he said techno. Great, we got that and > >> Apollo 440 - maybe when we do the BOC tribute compilation, we > >> can have a tape full of just techno Reapers? Anyway, he said it > >> was rare. No, I didn't buy it,! Someone has it, or knows what > >> I'm talking about, right?? If not, I deserve some serious abuse > >> for not even getting the name down. Maybe it'll be there next > >> Sept. Methinks that this could be the release by Lydia Lunch (famed in the punk- rock era for wearing a bra that seemed to be studded with three-inch roofing nails!) I saw this on a CD here in Atlanta about a year ago; I passed on it. Don't know if it is still available or not... (Yes, somewhere in my vinyl collection, the aforementioned LL LP lurks, pristine in its virgin, unplayed status. Probably one of the last punk LP's I bought before getting back into prog-electronic in a big way...) > >> > >> OBother things I bought: > >> > >> TWO copies of OYFOOYK, both in great condition for 50 cents > >> each! I almost cried! (Anyone need one?) > >> A copy of UFO's Strangers In The Night for the same price At least it was UFO's "SitN". Anyone ever heard Peter Baumann's (ex-TD) LP of the same name. Makes me want to shout at my shoes! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Tue Feb 13 09:41:12 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:41:12 EST Subject: Bad Astronomy on ...Imaginos? Message-ID: >The one on IMAGINOS, I believe, fits perfectly into the concept of >the album --- and the "hey, hey hey" part actually doesn't bother me >much ; I even like it quite a bit Well said. I vote the same. The Astro on SEE is very good though. Dharma solo on that one is excellent. RR From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Feb 13 10:08:53 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:08:53 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: >Albert T Bouchard writes: >> >> Well sorry ya'll didn't go ga ga over the remake. It was quite >> conciously made "commercial" by Pearlman and Columbia Brass. I thought the >> track was kinda cool myself. > >Who knows what we might have thought of it, if it wasn't a remake. I actually heard the Imaginos version first (at the time my BOC knowledge was spotty and only went back to FoUO). I instantly liked it, and along with >Well, on the topic of "different"... would you believe that the song I >hear named most often as the song wich really 'makes the album' is... >"Magna of Illusion" ? It seems to be a great fan favorite (even >though I think most people would agree that it's probably not well >suited to have been a single). :-) along with Magna of Illusion is my favorite sequence. Soon after that I picked up a vinyl of SEE primarily because it had Astronomy on it, and, (heresy!) didn't like it at first, but it grew on me until I pretty much like both versions equally now, (ST and live '76 pretty much included w/ SEE)... Even when I make a tape using the old version, though, I immediately follow it with Magna of Illusion... They fit so perfectly. After chanting "A Star..." it comes around with "It was no star, but a magna of illusion..." That night, the captain's grandaughter, would celebrate her birthday "I've come a long way", said the captain, "from lost Christabel, this night, accompanied by my dog..." "Granddaughter, it's a foreign mirror, taken from the jungle.." +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From gumby at PRIMENET.COM Tue Feb 13 10:10:08 1996 From: gumby at PRIMENET.COM (gumby at PRIMENET.COM) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:10:08 -0700 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 12 Feb 1996 to 13 Feb 1996 Message-ID: > >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:50:25 +0000 >From: Hardman DK >Subject: Re: Bad Astronomy on ...Imaginos? > >On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, MORIAUD wrote: > >> > ...and am I the only one who still doesn't like the remake of > >> "Astronomy" on _Imaginos_? Here's another positive vote for the new version. I love the old version, but the Imaginos take is very smooth!!! Plus, the cool Stephen King intro was awesome the first time I heard it on the radio. Gumby says "two green thumbs up." From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Tue Feb 13 10:53:40 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:53:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Chaos video Message-ID: Hello here are some more informations about the CHAOS video It was recorded in Preston, Guild Hall on 03.December.1986 The tracklist is: - magnu - angels of death - assault & battery - lost chronicals - master of the universe - dreaming city - arrival in utopia - barinstorm - sonic attac - hassan i sahba Bernhard From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Tue Feb 13 10:52:39 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:52:39 EST Subject: HW: Chaos-video. Message-ID: Greetings rockers! Just received the new Hawkwind-video and what a great one it is! My favorite is "Brainstorm", look at the dancers, crazy! Go out and by it, you'll love it. Cheers Henrik From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 13 10:41:56 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:41:56 -0500 Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest Message-ID: 1. I like "I'd Like to See You in Black" 2. I like the Imaginos version of "Astronomy". It's hard to top the beauty and depth of the original version, but the Imaginos version to me sounds cool, and fits the character of the album well -- when the intro plays, I can picture the reflection of the moon on the water as I walk along the beach with Suzy . . . (On a side note, the video that was done for the Imaginos version of Astronomy is very cool -- lots of information in it as it tries to tell a big chunk of the Imaginos story in a short period of time) 3. I like, to some degree, everything that BOC has done. 4. Music is neither good or bad -- you may like it or not like it, but that like or dislike doesn't make it good or bad. I don't particularly like alot of what's being played on the radio these days (although I'm starting to get into some stuff), but that doesn't mean it's bad, just that I don't like it. Maybe I should start a new slogan: "Music doesn't suck - people do." O.K., maybe not . . . ;-) 5. If we're going to have some more meaningful discussion about BOC and their music, let's go a little beyond a statement that says, "I don't like _____" Tell us WHY you don't like it, or why you do - it will make the subsequent discussions more interesting, instead of just turning the discussion into a "vote". O.K., I'll shut-up for awhile now, John From stayer at PI.NET Sun Feb 11 04:21:45 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 01:21:45 PST Subject: HW lyrics Message-ID: >>I got the HW lyrics from one of the sites here. There's one >>line in Steppenwolf (last line), I thought had to be >> 'ich weiss nicht was ich sagen soll' >>which is German for >> 'I don't know what I should say' >Your German is absolutely correct Jerry. The translation is exact >There is another German word which is used in a HAWKWIND song. During SPIRIT >OF THE AGE on the Hawklords tour (see Plymouth, 23.11.78) BOB CALVERT sings: >ZEITGEIST, ZEITGEIST Where did Calvert get the German from? Did he live in Germany for a while, or did he happen to speak German? I know he guested on Nektar's 'Down To Earth' album. Nektar were all living in Germany at that time. In a tape list I learned about the existance of a Nektar /live/ tape, on which Calvert is also guesting. Do you know about this tape - or do you have it????? (I'm a biiiiiig Nektar fan, I can tell you.) >The translation for ZEITGEIST is: SPIRIT OF THE AGE I knew that. I don't speak German too well, but I understand the language quite well, and this one is easy :-) See you. BTW, I'll get back to you about your tape list. I haven't had the time to take a look at it. Will do asap. Jerry van Kooten jvkooten at pi.net From stayer at PI.NET Sun Feb 11 04:49:00 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 01:49:00 PST Subject: BOC tabs Message-ID: >>> possibly being released as sheet music (i.e. a single song >>> sheet for "In Thee", and I believe there were sheets for "The Reaper" and >>> "Shooting Shark" >> One of the guitar mags published tab for "Reaper" in the 80s. >"Guitar For the Practicing Musician" They also did 'Burnin' For You' in the >same period. >If anybody has either of these, I'd love to have xerox copies! I'm quite new here, so I may have missed some of this discussion. I seem to remember that in my local library, there was a book of tabs from SEE. I remember, because that must have been where I got the lyrics from. Don't play any instrument, so I only copied the lyrics. >And about copyright violations - Who cares- Pirate It!!! They don't want >people sharing the informations unless they make money, yet hell will >freeze over the day you see a BOC sheet music book published. And all that in my local library... I'll have a look if they still have it. Jerry van Kooten jvkooten at pi.net From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Feb 13 12:49:28 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 12:49:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Star Trek samples Message-ID: Just watching ST:TNG re-runs on Sky - the sample from "Alien (I Am)" just came up ("What kind of receiver," etc). It's from the episode called "The Mind's Eye", which is indeed the one where Romulans remote-control Geordi through his visor. Well spotted that man! What's more, a moment later, you get the "Scan the shuttle" sample from "LaForge" on _Strange Trips_. - Andy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 13 13:01:36 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:01:36 EST Subject: BOC tabs Message-ID: > > >>> possibly being released as sheet music (i.e. a single song > >>> sheet for "In Thee", and I believe there were sheets for > "The Reaper" and > >>> "Shooting Shark" > >> One of the guitar mags published tab for "Reaper" in > the 80s. > >"Guitar For the Practicing Musician" They also did 'Burnin' > For You' in the > >same period. > >If anybody has either of these, I'd love to have xerox > copies! > > I'm quite new here, so I may have missed some of this > discussion. I seem to remember that in my local library, there > was a book of tabs from SEE. I remember, because that must have > been where I got the lyrics from. Don't play any instrument, so > I only copied the lyrics. > > >And about copyright violations - Who cares- Pirate It!!! They > don't want > >people sharing the informations unless they make money, yet > hell will > >freeze over the day you see a BOC sheet music book published. > And all that in my local library... I'll have a look if they > still have it. > > Jerry van Kooten > jvkooten at pi.net I have every folio of BOC that exists, I do believe. But they are worthless for the guitar solos. All they contain is the chords above the music (many of them are wrong, BTW). I do believe that they have both bass and treble clefs for piano, though. Probably transcribed by some warner brothers house hack who doesn't even play guitar and knows nothing about BOC. If anyone's interested in them, let me know on the private side, and I'll try to dig them up. theo From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Tue Feb 13 13:06:32 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:06:32 EST Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest Message-ID: > 4. Music is neither good or bad -- you may like it or not like it, but > that like or dislike doesn't make it good or bad. I don't particularly > like alot of what's being played on the radio these days (although I'm > starting to get into some stuff), but that doesn't mean it's bad, just > that I don't like it. Maybe I should start a new slogan: "Music > doesn't suck - people do." O.K., maybe not . . . ;-) I disagree. Sometimes fans are ripped off by bands throwing in anything just to make up an album. Fans know when they're getting the real thing and when they're gettin a half baked effort just to extract a few more bucks from the record buying public. In those cases it does suck. I think it happens more than we'd like to believe. RR From 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM Tue Feb 13 12:08:00 1996 From: 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Alexandre GARCIA) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 12:08:00 EST Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: > Probably would have liked it. As a youngster in BOC fandom terms > I heard the _Imaginos_ version first, and thought it was cool. Then > when I heard the original, I thought it was cool as well. > It is often so that when people have gotten used to hearing > something a certain way, they balk at changes. The "classicness" syndrome > strikes again ;) (Obviously this doesn't cover all the cases, though). How very right. Exactly my opinion. I heard the IMAGINOS version first too and maybe that's why I like it so much... But I liked the original one too when I first heard it. So, good point Carl... >> would you believe that the song I >> hear named most often as the song wich really 'makes the album' is... >> "Magna of Illusion" ? It seems to be a great fan favorite (even >> though I think most people would agree that it's probably not well >> suited to have been a single). :-) > > Bizarre. It took me a long while to warm to "Magna". It >took me nearly as long to warm to "BOC" and I have yet to warm to >the chorus of "Imaginos" ;) > What I instantly liked on the album, apart from "I Am the One" >and the MHA (most holy "Astronomy" ;) was "Siege and Investiture ...". While I liked "Magna of Illusion" at the first hearing, the song I liked most - and still do - ALSO is "The siege and investiture..." But then, IMAGINOS probably is my favorite BOC album anyway, so that should figure... Now that I think of it, there is one song which took me some time to get used to (and I still feel divided about it), that's "Del Rio's song"... Alex. From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 13 13:04:25 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:04:25 GMT Subject: HW lyrics In-Reply-To: Jerry's message of Sun, 11 Feb 1996 01:21:45 PST Message-ID: > Where did Calvert get the German from? Did he live in Germany > for a while, or did he happen to speak German? The lyrical concept of the track has been taken straight from Hesse's book "Steppenwolf" which folk on this list recommended me to read and I now recommend in turn to anyone who hasn't done so yet. However the German phrase doesn't seem to occur in the book - or at least it doesn't figure much in the translation (I'm assuming from memory it was a translation!) I read so I'm not at all sure where Calvert got this from or why he made such a feature of it in the lyrics. > I know he guested on Nektar's 'Down To Earth' album. Nektar > were all living in Germany at that time. >From what I remember of the early Hawkwind history years the band (well Brock anyhow) spent quite a lot of time in Holland and Germany playing music over there - the music and especially the prog-rock scene seems to have been a whole lot more advanced and considerably more relaxed than it was in this country. Maybe Bernard can give us some historical insight into this? cheers jill obOrganisationalProblems> EasterCon,Ozrics,PT - all on the same day but 200 miles apart 8-( ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue Feb 13 13:18:55 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:18:55 -0500 Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest In-Reply-To: <199602131541.KAA22919@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Feb 13, 96 10:41:56 am Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > > 4. Music is neither good or bad -- you may like it or not like it, but > that like or dislike doesn't make it good or bad. I don't particularly > like alot of what's being played on the radio these days (although I'm > starting to get into some stuff), but that doesn't mean it's bad, just > that I don't like it. Maybe I should start a new slogan: "Music > doesn't suck - people do." O.K., maybe not . . . ;-) Relativistic hogwash, John. :-) There *is* such a thing as shoddy music, just like there are sour wines, uncomfortable shoes, badly written books, and knives that won't hold an edge. Just because somebody likes those things doesn't make them good, it just means that people have a taste for bad stuff. Note that I'm making a distinction here between 'like' and 'respect': they don't necessarily have to be the same thing. You can have a taste for things that are not 'quality' - it's not a crime. I love a lot of old 70's hardcore punk, knowing full well that it's trashy, 3-notes-played-really-fast stuff. I also intensely dislike Mozart, knowing full well that he's widely respected by people who actually know music. So what? You makes your choices, as they say; otherwise we'd have nothing to discuss, or worse, we'd spend all our time patting each other on the back about what good little TrueFans[tm] we all are. Now, lest anyone think that I'm arguing with you here, ;-) I want to say that I completely agree with the following. > 5. If we're going to have some more meaningful discussion about BOC > and their music, let's go a little beyond a statement that says, "I > don't like _____" Tell us WHY you don't like it, or why you do - it > will make the subsequent discussions more interesting, instead of just > turning the discussion into a "vote". Steve From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 13 13:21:07 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:21:07 +0000 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: <199602131508.KAA26754@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Feb 13, 96 10:08:53 am Message-ID: > That night, the captain's grandaughter, would celebrate her birthday > "I've come a long way", said the captain, "from lost Christabel, > this night, > accompanied by my dog..." Yeah, like, don't forget my dog (fixed and consequent, you know?) ;) Carl From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 13 13:18:12 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:18:12 GMT Subject: OFF: Aliens are coming In-Reply-To: Ted O. Jackson's message of Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:10:50 EST Message-ID: > > Martyn White writes: > > > > > Prof Robert Rood, of Harvard, said: "The civilisation that blurts out its > > > existence on interstellar beacons at the first opportunity may be like some > > > early hominid descending from the trees and calling 'Here, kitty' to a > > > sabre-toothed tiger." > > > > It's gonna be kinda bad if the Earth gets trashed because the aliens are > > annoyed about the last episode of Dynasty. > > > > FoFP > > > > "Never mind your leader earthling, where's the Hawkwind gig?" > > Hey, have you seen the trailers lately for a flick called > 'Independence Day,' where earth gets invaded by a gigantic alien > spacechip? Looks really jingoistic, in a Reaganesque sort of way: > 'Independence Day: When we fight back!' Gotta spend that 'peace > dividend' somehow. > theo Watching tv the other night there was a programme about the Star Wars Defence screen and its research offshoot HAARP (can't remember the expanded version - High Altitude Antenna Radio something?) currently under construction in Alaska which is basically just a load of transmitters beaming short wave radio transmissions up into the atmosphere to generate intense activity in the ionosphere which is then reflected back to Earth. Apparently one of the tests was to play Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries" into the layer and it reflected back perfectly. Now surely here's a chance for a live Hawkwind gig..... They reckon if they get the transmissions right one of the possibilities might even be weather control if they could persuade the ionosphere to deflect the Gulf Stream. The potential here is wonderful! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 13 13:31:07 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:31:07 +0000 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: <960213170759_101612.172_JHP104-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Alexandre GARCIA" at Feb 13, 96 12:08:00 pm Message-ID: > Now that I think of it, there is one song which took me some > time to get used to (and I still feel divided about it), that's "Del Rio's > song"... I've always been a little ambivalent towards this one myself (though, mind you, we're discussing ambivalence towards songs from an album which is definitely [and almost literally] on my "desert island list"). However, my friends and I used to have a running joke about "proper rock intonation" as appears in this song. (Tox, if he still lurks on this list, may recall it). With thunderous riffing behind him, Eric sings: "My boat left New Orleans ..." (he builds to the lyrical climax ...) "... IN 1829!!" Woah! we all think. Rockin'! Then: Wait? "My boat left New Orleans in 1829?" What the _hell_ are we doing head-banging to that? What's going on here? Why should we care? ;) But still, you've got to admit, that even when you sing something completely bizarre like that with the appropriate phrasing and with the appropriate instrumental arrangement it _does_ get the old adrenilin pumping! :) CHeers, Carl From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 13 13:44:25 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:44:25 EST Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest Message-ID: > > > 4. Music is neither good or bad -- you may like it or not like it, but > > that like or dislike doesn't make it good or bad. I don't particularly > > like alot of what's being played on the radio these days (although I'm > > starting to get into some stuff), but that doesn't mean it's bad, just > > that I don't like it. Maybe I should start a new slogan: "Music > > doesn't suck - people do." O.K., maybe not . . . ;-) > > I disagree. Sometimes fans are ripped off by bands throwing in > anything just to make up an album. Fans know when they're getting > the real thing and when they're gettin a half baked effort just > to extract a few more bucks from the record buying public. In > those cases it does suck. I think it happens more than we'd > like to believe. > > RR > Ross, I think you're right. Isn't the substandard work on Club Ninja responsible for a lot of the erosion of BOC's fan base? theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 13 13:50:30 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:50:30 EST Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: > > > That night, the captain's grandaughter, would celebrate her birthday > > "I've come a long way", said the captain, "from lost Christabel, > > this night, > > accompanied by my dog..." Then he mumbles something. Is it the dog's name? theo> From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 13 14:01:22 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:01:22 -0500 Subject: BOC tabs Message-ID: Jerry says: I'm quite new here, so I may have missed some of this discussion. I seem to remember that in my local library, there was a book of tabs from SEE. I believe this is the "Anthology" songbook which I spoke of -- it has the SEE cover artwork on the front and contains music to everything on that album, plus alot of the "classics" which showed up on OYFOOYK. But, this book is not in tab format. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 13 14:08:04 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:08:04 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: Well, while we're on the subject of Imaginos, and favorite tracks . . . "I Am The One You Warned Me Of" and "Frankenstein" are probably my 2 favorite tracks -- they've got great energy and great guitar work. I think the Brain Surgeons should try working up "Frankenstein" - I bet Deb could do a great vocal rendition of that song. I also really like "Les Invisibles", and think Buck's laid-back vocal is the perfect counterpoint to the driving rhythms of that song. I think the rest of the album has strong cuts as well, but those are my faves. John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 13 14:21:09 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:21:09 +0000 Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest In-Reply-To: <199602131818.NAA26606@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Feb 13, 96 01:18:55 pm Message-ID: > > 4. Music is neither good or bad -- you may like it or not like it, but > > that like or dislike doesn't make it good or bad. I don't particularly > > like alot of what's being played on the radio these days (although I'm > > starting to get into some stuff), but that doesn't mean it's bad, just > > that I don't like it. Maybe I should start a new slogan: "Music > > doesn't suck - people do." O.K., maybe not . . . ;-) > > Relativistic hogwash, John. :-) There *is* such a thing as shoddy > music, just like there are sour wines, uncomfortable shoes, badly > written books, and knives that won't hold an edge. Just because > somebody likes those things doesn't make them good, it just means that > people have a taste for bad stuff. Ah, but as a folklorist and student of culture(s) (I knew that education would be good for something!) I can assure that _good_ and _bad_ are entirely relativistic by definition. One cannot exist without the other, ie. things that aren't "good" are "bad", and _vice versa_. Some of the examples you give above demonstrate how we make those definitions in terms of things to perform a specific task. Thus the shoes are uncomfortable (and therefore "bad") because they fail to perform a given task (that is, to be comfortable shoes). Some of the examples fall into a more hazy area of personal (or cultural) taste. You or I may brand the wine "bad" for being sour--I'm on better terms with beer here ... A lot of really classic Belgian beers I find unspeakably sour (and probably best used to sprinkle on your chips ;) but fans of these same beers (including the Beligians, I assume) just can't get enough. Thus we can see that _Imaginos_ is an utterly *crap* country music album. We might also find a fan of Irish jigs rather put off by Mongolian singing ("Sure, and it's a terrible noise they're after making!") So, on purely academic grounds, I have to agree with John. Music can only be defined good or bad in relation to the tastes of the individual (or more generally, that individual's subculture). On a gut level, of course, I agree completely with Steve. Michael Jackson blows syphilitic whale wads over putrified wombat corpses and anyone can see that! :) Cheers, Carl From 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM Tue Feb 13 14:08:14 1996 From: 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:08:14 EST Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: >> That night, the captain's grandaughter, would celebrate her birthday >> "I've come a long way", said the captain, "from lost Christabel, >> this night, >> accompanied by my dog..." > > Yeah, like, don't forget my dog (fixed and consequent, you know?) > > ;) > Carl *ROTFL* Sorry. I know I shouldn't had done this, but that was sooooo funny ! Well done, Carl :-)) Alex. From mseher at ULTRAVOX.EAST.SUN.COM Tue Feb 13 14:29:17 1996 From: mseher at ULTRAVOX.EAST.SUN.COM (Michael Seher) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:29:17 -0500 Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest Message-ID: john> 4. Music is neither good or bad -- you may like it or not like it, but john> that like or dislike doesn't make it good or bad. I don't particularly john> like alot of what's being played on the radio these days (although I'm john> starting to get into some stuff), but that doesn't mean it's bad, just john> that I don't like it. Maybe I should start a new slogan: "Music john> doesn't suck - people do." O.K., maybe not . . . ;-) ross> I disagree. Sometimes fans are ripped off by bands throwing in ross> anything just to make up an album. Fans know when they're getting ross> the real thing and when they're gettin a half baked effort just ross> to extract a few more bucks from the record buying public. In ross> those cases it does suck. I think it happens more than we'd ross> like to believe. theo> I think you're right. Isn't the substandard work on Club Ninja theo> responsible for a lot of the erosion of BOC's fan base? This is a tough one. While we may not appreciate or like something when it first comes out, we might later. I find this true with music, comics, TV shows, cars,... Oftimes, only the dreck of the present can make what you felt was the dreck of the past, bearable. I'm not suggesting that how bad what BOC(and related spin-offs) is(are) doing today makes yesterdays "sub-standard" work better in a relative sense, I mean that I'd rather listen to ANY older BOC than new or old Janet Jackson or Michael Jackson or Alan Jackson or... m History shows again and again How nature points out the folly of men "Godzilla" From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 13 14:32:24 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:32:24 +0000 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: <199602131908.OAA29957@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Feb 13, 96 02:08:04 pm Message-ID: > "I Am The One You Warned Me Of" and "Frankenstein" are probably my > 2 favorite tracks -- they've got great energy and great guitar work. > I think the Brain Surgeons should try working up "Frankenstein" - I > bet Deb could do a great vocal rendition of that song. You think so? I'm not doubting Deb's vocal prowess here, but the feel of the song seems so heavily dependant on the choral voices and "guitar orchestra". Perhaps tBS could work up a version, but I think they'd have to change it a lot to make it work. Well, hmmm, I can kinda hear it ... Al using that gravelly, almost spoken voice on the "Carpe Diem", almost like the original "Dominance" "radios appear" line, and then the guitars crash in ... Mmmm. Could work ... But I re-state my vote for a tBS "I Am The One You Warned Me Of", which I think would suit their line-up better with minimal re-arrangement and that Deb would sing wickedly on. Cheers, Carl From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Feb 13 14:38:42 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:38:42 -0500 Subject: BS Fans Energized? Message-ID: Thank you! DF From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 13 14:39:42 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:39:42 EST Subject: BOC tabs Message-ID: > Jerry says: > > I'm quite new here, so I may have missed some of this > discussion. I seem to remember that in my local library, there > was a book of tabs from SEE. > > > > I believe this is the "Anthology" songbook which I spoke of -- it has > the SEE cover artwork on the front and contains music to everything on > that album, plus alot of the "classics" which showed up on OYFOOYK. > But, this book is not in tab format. > > John I'm virtually positive that none of the available books have any TAB in them. Just chord symbols and, laregely useless, piano music. theo From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Tue Feb 13 15:03:53 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:03:53 +0100 Subject: HW lyrics Message-ID: Hello >Maybe Bernard can give us some historical insight into this? I am very sorry but I have no informations about this theme But I'll ask a friend AFAIK Dave and Nik live in the late 60ies in Holland Bernhard From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 13 15:14:24 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:14:24 EST Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest Message-ID: > On a gut level, of course, I agree completely with Steve. > Michael Jackson blows syphilitic whale wads over putrified wombat > corpses and anyone can see that! :) > > Cheers, > Carl Hmm, I thought his specialty was young boys... theo From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Feb 13 15:23:10 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:23:10 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: Alex writes: Now that I think of it, there is one song which took me some time to get used to (and I still feel divided about it), that's "Del Rio's song"... Well, how do you feel about "Mr. Tambourine Man"? Maybe you can get a little more used to it if you realize its chorus is Mr. Del Rio's verse.... :-) From 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM Tue Feb 13 15:53:51 1996 From: 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:53:51 EST Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: >> Now that I think of it, there is one song which took me some >> time to get used to (and I still feel divided about it), that's "Del Rio's >> song"... > > I've always been a little ambivalent towards this one myself >(though, mind you, we're discussing ambivalence towards songs from an >album which is definitely [and almost literally] on my "desert island >list"). I understand the feeling ; I wouldn't want to forget THIS album if I ever went to that famous island myself... :-) > However, my friends and I used to have a running joke about >"proper rock intonation" as appears in this song. (Tox, if he still lurks >on this list, may recall it). > With thunderous riffing behind him, Eric sings: > "My boat left New Orleans ..." (he builds to the lyrical >climax ...) > "... IN 1829!!" > > Woah! we all think. Rockin'! Oh YEAH ! let's rock... > Then: Wait? "My boat left New Orleans in 1829?" What the _hell_ >are we doing head-banging to that? What's going on here? Why should >we care? ;) Does sound kind of stupid if you take it out of context. You got a point there. > But still, you've got to admit, that even when you sing something >completely bizarre like that with the appropriate phrasing and with the >appropriate instrumental arrangement it _does_ get the old adrenilin >pumping! :) True enough. In fact, that precise excerpt of the song is probably the part of it I like the most :-) Thanks for sharing that one with us. Alex. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 13 16:09:24 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:09:24 -0500 Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest Message-ID: A few write to my comment: > > 4. Music is neither good or bad -- you may like it or not like it, but > > that like or dislike doesn't make it good or bad. I don't particularly > > like alot of what's being played on the radio these days (although I'm > > starting to get into some stuff), but that doesn't mean it's bad, just > > that I don't like it. Maybe I should start a new slogan: "Music > > doesn't suck - people do." O.K., maybe not . . . ;-) > > I disagree. Sometimes fans are ripped off by bands throwing in > anything just to make up an album. Fans know when they're getting > the real thing and when they're gettin a half baked effort just > to extract a few more bucks from the record buying public. In > those cases it does suck. I think it happens more than we'd > like to believe. > > RR > Ross, I think you're right. Isn't the substandard work on Club Ninja responsible for a lot of the erosion of BOC's fan base? theo You (and Steve Swann also commented I believe) are missing my point. And *Club Ninja* may be a good example. A lot of us don't like the music on that album -- that is our subjective opinions of it. However, that doesn't make the music good or bad. It's whether or not it's enjoyable to someone. If you don't like it, then that's fine but it doesn't mean the music sucks. And how complicated the music is does not necessarily make music better or worse. Look it some simple little tune like "Mary Had a Little Lamb" (the nursery rhyme, not the Stevie Ray Vaughn version) -- that tune has a grand total of 4 notes in it. Sure, I don't want to sit around listening to it, but there are millions of little kids out there that think that song "kicks ass" (of course their description of it would be a little different). That song has been passed down for years. But is a simple little ditty with 4 notes in it a "good" song? Most music can probably be enjoyed by someone (hopefully at least the person who wrote it) - by that person's definition then, it is "good". Everyone else in the world might hate it, but that still doesn't mean it's "bad". To say music is "good", "bad", "kicks ass", "sucks", etc. is a matter of opinion. I'm not against opinions, but you need more to make them something to discuss -- WHY do you think something's good or bad? Hey, if I ask for opinions on this list on some music (say, to decide if I want to buy it), I need more than just a few people saying "It's great" or "It sucks" -- those statements don't tell me anything, and 2 different people could each give me opposite responses. I hope this makes what I was trying to say clearer, if not, just disregard what I've said -- I'm ranting on far too much here . . . John From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Feb 13 16:23:44 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:23:44 +1100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: On 12 Feb 96 Maxine Wesley wrote about : > Sonique wrote: > > > > > Hawkwind-Chaos VIDEO JE287N $22.50 > > > This was posted on BOC-L a while back (at the price of 12.99 BP), so I > > ordered a copy which was supposed to be at our office in Liecester when I > > arrived for my recent business trip. Unfortunately, it hadn't arrived by > > the time I'd left the UK :-) > > Does this mean I can have it....seeing as how you _didn't_ get in touch > while you were in Leicester? I can pick it up...it's only down the road.. > honest, no trouble! Now, don't be like that .... I did apologise (sorta). Anyway, I recall that you have a problem asking for a guy named 'spurty' ;^) Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Feb 13 16:23:43 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:23:43 +1100 Subject: HW: Chaos video Message-ID: On 12 Feb 96 Bernhard Pospiech wrote about HW: Chaos video: > I've received today the Chaos video. Cool .... ours can't be too far away then! Paul/Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Feb 13 16:26:43 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:26:43 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: >> That night, the captain's grandaughter, would celebrate her birthday >> "I've come a long way", said the captain, "from lost Christabel, >> this night, >> accompanied by my dog..." > > Yeah, like, don't forget my dog (fixed and consequent, you know?) > You want to try to link the two of them to "Baby Ice Dog?"... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Feb 13 16:26:44 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:26:44 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: >> >> > That night, the captain's grandaughter, would celebrate her birthday >> > "I've come a long way", said the captain, "from lost Christabel, >> > this night, >> > accompanied by my dog..." > >Then he mumbles something. Is it the dog's name? I dunno. Originally I hoped it was "my dog, Sir Rastus Bear", but it seems clear that it is not. Woulda been cool, though. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 13 16:33:59 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:33:59 -0500 Subject: Calling Skip Galvin Message-ID: Is Skip Galvin still on BOC-L? I tried to send him some personal e-mail but it bounced. John Swartz From markus at PYRAMID.COM Tue Feb 13 17:41:14 1996 From: markus at PYRAMID.COM (Mark Parshall) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 14:41:14 -0800 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 12 Feb 1996 to 13 Feb 1996 In-Reply-To: Automatic digest processor "BOC-L Digest - 12 Feb 1996 to 13 Feb 1996" (Feb 13, 5:00am) Message-ID: On Feb 13, 5:00am, Automatic digest processor wrote: > Subject: BOC-L Digest - 12 Feb 1996 to 13 Feb 1996 > > Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:14:08 -0500 > From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM > Subject: Re: BS Fans Energized? > > That is a good idea. Does anyone have an address for NPR? > Thanks. > DF > > ------------------------------ Hope this helps: National Public Radio 635 Massacusetts Ave, NW Washington, DC 20001 202-414-3232 Fresh Air Host: Terry Gross Email: freshair at whyy.org Producer: WHYY, Philadelphia [Maybe this will help getting tBS out to California!] West Coast Live Host: Sedge Thomson E-mail: owner-west_coast_live at netcom.com Snail-mail address: West Coast Live 915 Cole Street, Suite 124 San Francisco, California 94117 Phone: (415) 664-9500 Fax: (415) 664-9596 Additional information is available by sending a mail message to listserv at netcom.com; put the following (only!) in the body of the message: INFO West_Coast_Live Internet: Subscription Information West_Coast_Live-Request at netcom.com Reservations to Live Shows Reservations to Live Shows West_Coast_Live-Approval at netcom.com Audience Adventures West_Coast_Live at netcom.com Moderator (A real person) Owner-West_Coast_Live at netcom.com Anonymous FTP ftp.netcom.com/pub/essmjf/wcl -- -m------- Mark Parshall ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation -----mmmmm--- markus at pyramid.com or {decwrl,hplabs,sun,uunet}!pyramid!markus -------mmmmmmm- VOICE: 408/428-8462 FAX: 408/428-8210 From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Feb 13 18:30:19 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:30:19 -0700 Subject: Calling Skip Galvin In-Reply-To: <199602132133.QAA04993@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > Is Skip Galvin still on BOC-L? I tried to send him some personal > e-mail but it bounced. > > John Swartz > Yes, Skip is still on the list. Infact, I have been going back and forth on e-mail lately since BOC just did a swing thru his neck of the woods. Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Feb 13 18:33:57 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:33:57 -0700 Subject: Astronomy CD Single In-Reply-To: <967D7467E4@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: Did anyone buy the CD Single of Astronomy w/4 versions on it? Someone posted it for sale a week or so ago. Now I have some money, so if anybody knows if it's for sale, then please e-mail me? Thanks Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM Tue Feb 13 18:49:12 1996 From: 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:49:12 EST Subject: Club Ninja Message-ID: theo said : > Isn't the substandard work on Club Ninja > responsible for a lot of the erosion of BOC's fan base? Several of you fans out there have been criticizing Club Ninja, and I really don't understand this. I really like this album. It has always struck me how BOC was completeley different from all other bands in the sense that instead of aging badly it keeps growing younger. That's how I always felt. Now of course, I'm a recent fan (I've discovered the band with IMAGINOS and have bought all the other albums since then), and this may explain that, but still... Now don't get me wrong, I love the old songs, but I do think Club Ninja and IMAGINOS are much better than - say - the first two or three albums of the band (with the exception, maybe, of such songs as "Last days of May", "Wings wetted down", "Flaming telepaths" and a few others which remain among my all-time favorite songs). I mean look at your personal favorite albums, I'm sure most of you will probably say it's Cultosaurus Erectus or Fire of Unknown Origin - which is the point I'm trying to make. Those albums - which are really among the best - came out like almost ten years after the first one, and look how much better they are, how much powerful... To me, BOC just keeps getting better with time and I'm really waiting very eagerly for the next studio album, IMAGINOS having been the "masterpiece" it has been........... I'm glad I had the opportunity of saying this here because it's something I have always felt within and I thought it might be important to share... even though I know some of you will probably yell your lungs out at me !!! But hey, I'm ready to take the blows... :-) Alex. From 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM Tue Feb 13 18:49:14 1996 From: 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:49:14 EST Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: > Alex writes : >> Now that I think of it, there is one song which took me some >>time to get used to (and I still feel divided about it), that's "Del Rio's >>song"... > >Well, how do you feel about "Mr. Tambourine Man"? Maybe you can get a little >more used to it if you realize its chorus is Mr. Del Rio's verse.... :-) Let me get this straight... you ARE talking of that Donovan tune, right ? Well, I can hardly say anything on this account since I'm not too familiar with the song. I have heard it once or twice (who hasn't ?), but I never really had a chance to listen to the lyrics. I will though next time, now that you mention this... But that's an enteresting point, thank you. Alex. From jguizar at EPIX.NET Tue Feb 13 19:44:43 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:44:43 EST Subject: HW: Chaos-video. Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:52:39 EST you wrote: >Greetings rockers! > >Just received the new Hawkwind-video and what a great one it is! >My favorite is "Brainstorm", look at the dancers, crazy! > >Go out and by it, you'll love it. Just ordered it :) Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Tue Feb 13 21:55:05 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:55:05 -0500 Subject: Calling Skip Galvin Message-ID: Sir John: >Is Skip Galvin still on BOC-L? I tried to send him some personal >e-mail but it bounced. Here's his correct address ---> skipg at compumedia.com We've been in contact repeatedly over the last couple weeks, as the Boys rode roughshod over the Pacific Northwest... What a week! I'm just getting caught up on my sleep, and my wife has just started talking to me again... =) The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Tue Feb 13 21:55:26 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:55:26 -0500 Subject: Bad Astronomy on ...Imaginos? Message-ID: Gentlemen: I've never met an 'Astronomy' I didn't like... Each version has it's own unique character, tone, and style. Much like each live performance...hmmm... The version the Boys performed here in Seattle on Feb. 2nd was as good as any I've heard, once again. Maybe I just like these guys a bit too much, eh... "Come Suzy dear, let's talk a walk..." The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Tue Feb 13 21:55:44 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:55:44 -0500 Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest Message-ID: John: >1. I like "I'd Like to See You in Black" Most definitely! A studio version of this track may change the minds of a few of the folk who aren't so sure about it. It brought the house down BOTH nights in Seattle. Especially that crazy Friday show... >2. I like the Imaginos version of "Astronomy". It's hard to top the >beauty and depth of the original version, but the Imaginos version to >me sounds cool, and fits the character of the album well -- when the >intro plays, I can picture the reflection of the moon on the water as >I walk along the beach with Suzy . . . (On a side note, the video that >was done for the Imaginos version of Astronomy is very cool -- lots of >information in it as it tries to tell a big chunk of the Imaginos story >in a short period of time) I never met an 'Astronomy' I didn't like... >3. I like, to some degree, everything that BOC has done. We're in concert here as well. No matter how hard I try to dislike any of their material, it never seems to work. Maybe I'm just not critical enough... >4. Music is neither good or bad -- you may like it or not like it, but >that like or dislike doesn't make it good or bad. I don't particularly >like alot of what's being played on the radio these days (although I'm >starting to get into some stuff), but that doesn't mean it's bad, just >that I don't like it. Maybe I should start a new slogan: "Music >doesn't suck - people do." O.K., maybe not . . . ;-) Much has been said in the responses to this paragraph, and I would add only one word to the mix: perception. Carl Anderson spoke very clearly & eloquently regarding the cultural aspect & relativistic nature of words like "good" & "bad". To be one or the other, you must first have some context to place them in. Then you judge based upon your own set of perceptions, which originate in, and are constantly influenced by, your subculture. I *think* is exactly where John & Carl were headed... >5. If we're going to have some more meaningful discussion about BOC >and their music, let's go a little beyond a statement that says, "I >don't like _____" Tell us WHY you don't like it, or why you do - it >will make the subsequent discussions more interesting, instead of just >turning the discussion into a "vote". Yes again! Even better, lets hear everyone's INTERPRETATIONS of content. This requires a conscious thought process, and in it's most pure form, a synthesis of the learned data into one's original database. (It's called learning, man...) Nothing in life really sucks, if you can put it in the proper perspective. When the restaurant food you're eating isn't four-star, remember all those folks who aren't so lucky. Tastes better already... =) Finally, in basic agreement with Carl, Imaginos is definitely a LOUSY country album... (chuckle)... The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Wed Feb 14 02:15:44 1996 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Brand) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 02:15:44 -0500 Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest In-Reply-To: <199602131541.KAA22919@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > (On a side note, the video that > was done for the Imaginos version of Astronomy is very cool -- lots of > information in it as it tries to tell a big chunk of the Imaginos story > in a short period of time) Where might one find this video? I'd really like to see it (in or out of Black...) Thanks, Brand From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Wed Feb 14 02:26:03 1996 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Brand) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 02:26:03 -0500 Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest In-Reply-To: <199602132109.QAA29453@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > To say music is "good", "bad", "kicks ass", "sucks", etc. is a matter > of opinion. I'm not against opinions, but you need more to make them > something to discuss -- WHY do you think something's good or bad? Hey, > if I ask for opinions on this list on some music (say, to decide if I > want to buy it), I need more than just a few people saying "It's great" > or "It sucks" -- those statements don't tell me anything, and 2 different > people could each give me opposite responses. A look at Usenet groups like alt.music.alternative will point up how useless it is to say that a given song/band/album "sucks" or "kicks ass". There are people there arguing back and forth ENDLESSLY about whether Alanis Morisette "sucks" or "kicks ass". Are they accomplishing anything? Are they convincing anyone? Nope. The point is, whether it's true that there is no "good" or "bad" music, or whether it's all relativistic hogwash, there comes a point at which people must agree to disagree and chalk it up to different tastes. Otherwise, they'll run around and around in circles debating it forever. Brand MHOs: Club Ninja is "not so good" Alanis is overhyped and shrill "Flaming Telepaths" is the perfect BOC song From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Feb 14 02:37:52 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 02:37:52 -0500 Subject: BOC: Reaper cover\misc. Message-ID: On 13-FEB-1996 09:54:45.0 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> >> On 12-FEB-1996 08:44:12.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> >> Well, I was at a huge record/CD convention today and saw a >> >> record by a female artsist who's first and last name I >> >> completely forgot; I'm very sorry about this. The record is a >> >> cover of "DFTR" (credited to "Blue Oyster Cult" on the vinyl, >> >> instead of "D. Roeser"). I asked the vendor what sort of music >> >> we were talkin' here and he said techno. Great, we got that and >> >> Apollo 440 - maybe when we do the BOC tribute compilation, we >> >> can have a tape full of just techno Reapers? Anyway, he said it >> >> was rare. No, I didn't buy it,! Someone has it, or knows what >> >> I'm talking about, right?? If not, I deserve some serious abuse >> >> for not even getting the name down. Maybe it'll be there next >> >> Sept. >Methinks that this could be the release by Lydia Lunch (famed in the >punk- rock era for wearing a bra that seemed to be studded with >three-inch roofing nails!) I saw this on a CD here in Atlanta about a >year ago; I passed on it. Don't know if it is still available or not... >(Yes, somewhere in my vinyl collection, the aforementioned LL LP lurks, >pristine in its virgin, unplayed status. Probably one of the last punk >LP's I bought before getting back into prog-electronic in a big way...) Nope, I would have remembered that name. This was a more normal name. Gee, I thought with the collective knowledge on BOC-L, this would be no problem at all...now I'm starting to worry. Chuck `[1;35;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Feb 14 02:39:21 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 02:39:21 -0500 Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest Message-ID: On 13-FEB-1996 16:40:51.6 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >A few write to my comment: >You (and Steve Swann also commented I believe) are missing my point. >And *Club Ninja* may be a good example. A lot of us don't like the >music on that album -- that is our subjective opinions of it. However, >that doesn't make the music good or bad. It's whether or not it's >enjoyable to someone. If you don't like it, then that's fine but >it doesn't mean the music sucks. And how complicated the music is >does not necessarily make music better or worse. Look it some simple >little tune like "Mary Had a Little Lamb" (the nursery rhyme, not the >Stevie Ray Vaughn version) -- that tune has a grand total of 4 notes in >it. Sure, I don't want to sit around listening to it, but there are >millions of little kids out there that think that song "kicks ass" (of >course their description of it would be a little different). That song >has been passed down for years. But is a simple little ditty with 4 >notes in it a "good" song? Most music can probably be enjoyed by >someone (hopefully at least the person who wrote it) - by that person's >definition then, it is "good". Everyone else in the world might hate >it, but that still doesn't mean it's "bad". I agree. Any product that is released on any kind of record label (even totally independant) must have at LEAST, say, 2 fans, besides the performer . They may think it's the best thing since powdered milk. (I know what it's like to have something I love scorned by absolutely everyone I knew/or read comments from.) Therefore, it has some goodness in it (even if that goodness is totally irrelevent to the dislikers). . If someone plays some music he/she likes, but can not find one other person who likes it, then that person should not (and could not) release it to the public. Chuck >To say music is "good", "bad", "kicks ass", "sucks", etc. is a matter >of opinion. I'm not against opinions, but you need more to make them >something to discuss -- WHY do you think something's good or bad? Hey, >if I ask for opinions on this list on some music (say, to decide if I >want to buy it), I need more than just a few people saying "It's great" >or "It sucks" -- those statements don't tell me anything, and 2 >different people could each give me opposite responses. >I hope this makes what I was trying to say clearer, if not, just >disregard what I've said -- I'm ranting on far too much here . . . >John `[1;37;47mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From lansford at VNET.NET Wed Feb 14 05:45:36 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:45:36 GMT Subject: Club Ninja In-Reply-To: <960213234911_101612.172_JHP105-2@CompuServe.COM> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, "Alex S. Garcia" wrote: > Several of you fans out there have been criticizing Club Ninja, and >I really don't understand this. I really like this album. It has always >struck me how BOC was completeley different from all other >bands in the sense that instead of aging badly it keeps growing >younger. That's how I always felt. Now of course, I'm a recent fan >(I've discovered the band with IMAGINOS and have bought all >the other albums since then), and this may explain that, but still... > > Now don't get me wrong, I love the old songs, but I do think >Club Ninja and IMAGINOS are much better than - say - the first >two or three albums of the band (with the exception, maybe, >of such songs as "Last days of May", "Wings wetted down", >"Flaming telepaths" and a few others which remain among >my all-time favorite songs). I mean look at your >personal favorite albums, I'm sure most of you will probably >say it's Cultosaurus Erectus or Fire of Unknown Origin - which >is the point I'm trying to make. Actually, most of us listed Imaginos or Secret Treaties as the favorite the last time I saw a formal poll.... >Those albums - which are >really among the best - came out like almost ten years after >the first one, and look how much better they are, how much >powerful... To me, BOC just keeps getting better with time >and I'm really waiting very eagerly for the next studio album, >IMAGINOS having been the "masterpiece" it has been........... Imaginos wasn't really a whole-band effort. (Details in the FAQ.) The new music the boys have been playing live is nowhere close to Imaginos, but there are some good tunes waiting for the opportunity to get into our CD players. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Wed Feb 14 05:57:15 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 05:57:15 EST Subject: Sonic A Message-ID: --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 14/02/96 10.56 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET Subject: HW French Hi, All this talk of German lyrics has reminded me a tape I once heard, with Bob singing the first half of Sonic Attack in non-English. As the venue was either Paris of Reims I assume it was French. All for now. From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Wed Feb 14 10:48:25 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:48:25 U Subject: BOC: Reaper cover\misc. Message-ID: > >> > >> >> Well, I was at a huge record/CD convention today and saw a > >> >> record by a female artsist who's first and last name I > >> >> completely forgot; I'm very sorry about this. The record is a > >> >> cover of "DFTR" (credited to "Blue Oyster Cult" on the vinyl, > >> >> instead of "D. Roeser"). I asked the vendor what sort of music > >> >> we were talkin' here and he said techno. Great, we got that and > >> >> Apollo 440 - maybe when we do the BOC tribute compilation, we > >> >> can have a tape full of just techno Reapers? Anyway, he said it > >> >> was rare. No, I didn't buy it,! Someone has it, or knows what > >> >> I'm talking about, right?? If not, I deserve some serious abuse > >> >> for not even getting the name down. Maybe it'll be there next > >> >> Sept. > >Methinks that this could be the release by Lydia Lunch (famed in the > >punk- rock era for wearing a bra that seemed to be studded with > >three-inch roofing nails!) I saw this on a CD here in Atlanta about a > >year ago; I passed on it. Don't know if it is still available or not... > >(Yes, somewhere in my vinyl collection, the aforementioned LL LP lurks, > >pristine in its virgin, unplayed status. Probably one of the last punk > >LP's I bought before getting back into prog-electronic in a big way...) > >Nope, I would have remembered that name. This was a more normal name. >Gee, I thought with the collective knowledge on BOC-L, this would be no >problem at all...now I'm starting to worry. Ah. I used this as a question in a quiz once. The record came out around 1988/9, and was indeed by a female artist. The title was given as "Don't Fear the Reaper", not"(Don't Fear) the Reaper", and was reviewed by NME. Unfortunately I can't remember her name, which makes this post rather pointless. Sorry. :-( Cheers, Rich. ** this. is. not. a. fish? ** From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Feb 14 07:36:39 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 07:36:39 -0500 Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest Message-ID: Doug said >I never met an 'Astronomy' I didn't like... Have you heard Thin White Rope's (unrelated) song with the same title? (On _In the Spanish Cave_, and live on _The One that Got Away_). Meanwhile, on the good/bad debate, may I (approvingly) quote John Peel: "Saying Schubert is better than Blur is like saying Tuesday is better than a piece of string". OTOH, I'm reluctant to follow Carl all the way down the slippery slope of cultural relativism (because it's then but a short step to moral relativism, and then where are we?). BTW, although in general I vastly prefer BOC to Michael Jackson, I would have to maintain that "Billie Jean" is miles better than "Let Go" in just about all respects. :) - Andy ObCD: Amon Duul 2 - Nada Moonshine # (I found a copy at last! :) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 14 07:59:20 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 07:59:20 EST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 12 Feb 1996 to 13 Feb 1996 Message-ID: > > > > That is a good idea. Does anyone have an address for NPR? > > Thanks. > > DF > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Hope this helps: > > > National Public Radio > 635 Massacusetts Ave, NW > Washington, DC 20001 > 202-414-3232 > > > Fresh Air > Host: Terry Gross > Email: freshair at whyy.org > Producer: WHYY, Philadelphia > > > > [Maybe this will help getting tBS out to California!] > > West Coast Live > Host: Sedge Thomson > E-mail: owner-west_coast_live at netcom.com > Snail-mail address: > West Coast Live > 915 Cole Street, Suite 124 > San Francisco, California 94117 > Phone: (415) 664-9500 > Fax: (415) 664-9596 > Additional information is available by sending a mail message to > listserv at netcom.com; put the following (only!) in the > body of the message: > > INFO West_Coast_Live > > Internet: > > Subscription Information > West_Coast_Live-Request at netcom.com > Reservations to Live Shows > Reservations to Live Shows > West_Coast_Live-Approval at netcom.com > Audience Adventures > West_Coast_Live at netcom.com > Moderator (A real person) > Owner-West_Coast_Live at netcom.com > Anonymous FTP > ftp.netcom.com/pub/essmjf/wcl > > > > > -- > -m------- Mark Parshall > ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation > -----mmmmm--- markus at pyramid.com or {decwrl,hplabs,sun,uunet}!pyramid!markus > -------mmmmmmm- VOICE: 408/428-8462 FAX: 408/428-8210 Way to go, Mark! theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 14 08:04:33 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:04:33 +0000 Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest In-Reply-To: <960214073638_321683920@emout08.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Feb 14, 96 07:36:39 am Message-ID: > Meanwhile, on the good/bad debate, may I (approvingly) quote John Peel: > "Saying Schubert is better than Blur is like saying Tuesday is better than a > piece of string". > OTOH, I'm reluctant to follow Carl all the way down the slippery slope of > cultural relativism (because it's then but a short step to moral relativism, > and then where are we?). Exactly where we are ;) However, moral relativity is more broadly based than musical taste. That is, overall, more people agree that it's bad to murder your family and eat them than agree that Michael Jackson recordings should be buried in an unmarked grave at a crossroads with stakes tapped through their centers (as is easily demonstrated by incidence of familial cannibalism vs. sales figures for _Thriller_). Personally, I'm in a quandry over which is worse ;) Carl From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 14 08:03:08 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:03:08 EST Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: > >> That night, the captain's grandaughter, would celebrate her birthday > >> "I've come a long way", said the captain, "from lost Christabel, > >> this night, > >> accompanied by my dog..." > > > > Yeah, like, don't forget my dog (fixed and consequent, you know?) > > > > You want to try to link the two of them to "Baby Ice Dog?"... > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------+ > Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" > Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused I don't know about that. The Big black dog is definitely not 'fixed!' theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 14 08:10:41 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:10:41 +0000 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: <960213152308_143222814@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Feb 13, 96 03:23:10 pm Message-ID: > Well, how do you feel about "Mr. Tambourine Man"? Maybe you can get a little > more used to it if you realize its chorus is Mr. Del Rio's verse.... :-) Oh, how terrifying! I had never noticed that ... (Right, now we can all get down to the serious business of analyzing "Mr. Tambourine Man" for weird Lovecraftian imagery and see how it fits into the story of Imaginos. What was all that about "ships" and "caverns" ...? ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 14 08:15:40 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:15:40 +0000 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: <199602132126.QAA02255@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Feb 13, 96 04:26:43 pm Message-ID: >>> That night, the captain's grandaughter, would celebrate her birthday >>> "I've come a long way", said the captain, "from lost Christabel, >>> this night, >>> accompanied by my dog..." >> >> Yeah, like, don't forget my dog (fixed and consequent, you know?) > > You want to try to link the two of them to "Baby Ice Dog?"... Only if someone knows how to ask. Otherwise, that's the breaks ... ;) Carl From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 14 08:12:37 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:12:37 EST Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest Message-ID: > BTW, although in general I vastly prefer BOC to Michael Jackson, I would have > to maintain that "Billie Jean" is miles better than "Let Go" in just about > all respects. :) > > - Andy > Right, and 'Dirty Diane' is better than 'Beat 'em Up' or 'Make Rock not War.' theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 14 08:32:56 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:32:56 +0000 Subject: Club Ninja In-Reply-To: <960213234911_101612.172_JHP105-2@CompuServe.COM> from "Alex S. Garcia" at Feb 13, 96 06:49:12 pm Message-ID: > Now don't get me wrong, I love the old songs, but I do think > Club Ninja and IMAGINOS are much better than - say - the first > two or three albums of the band (with the exception, maybe, > of such songs as "Last days of May", "Wings wetted down", > "Flaming telepaths" and a few others which remain among > my all-time favorite songs). I mean look at your > personal favorite albums, I'm sure most of you will probably > say it's Cultosaurus Erectus or Fire of Unknown Origin - which > is the point I'm trying to make. Ah, I must disagree in part, at least. I'm one of the many _CN_ bashers, and must say I find it fairly disapointing. OK, I have my heretical and admittedly perverse liking for "Beat 'Em Up" (perhaps a horrified fascination ;) and "Perfect Water" is an OK Buck pop-song ... But where (are the spiders? ack! no! sorry ;) is the eerie thunder, the sneering menace that was the BOC hallmark? Ah, there it is! On _Imaginos_ ... ;) Well, we all know the story on _that_ one ... ;) My second favorite album has got to be _Secret Treaties_, older brother of _Imaginos_, for mostly the same reasons. Sinister weirdness, killer riffs--I can forgive the somewhat dodgy sound. I'd probably follow that with _BOC_ (the 1st) for similar reasons, though the gross sound often make me shy away from it. I tend to like individual songs off most of the other albums more than the albums as wholes. Perhaps half an album or so will blow me away, and the other half I can take or leave (relative to the material I like, anyway--I'll suffer even "Let's Go" over any Michael Jackson song no matter what Andy thinks! ;) > To me, BOC just keeps getting better with time > and I'm really waiting very eagerly for the next studio album, > IMAGINOS having been the "masterpiece" it has been........... Well, as has been said, _Imaginos_ was something of an anomaly, though a fortunate one. However, I'm also one of the wackos who liked the "Bad Channels" songs, silly lyrics and all. The new material they have is really not too bad--not every song can be "Astronomy"! I think _if_ BOC gets its act together (so to speak) and actually records an album of new material _and_ actually gets it released (always a hurdle) ... ... well, I'd be fairly surprised if it wasn't better than _RBN_ and _CN_. People can laugh at "I Want to See You in Black" all you want, but I maintain that there have been a lot worse BOC songs in the past (yes, even in the "classic days") and it _can't_ be sillier sounding than "Let's Go", surely? Cheers, Carl From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Feb 14 09:13:07 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:13:07 -0500 Subject: Sonic A Message-ID: In a message dated 14/02/96 14:07:28, you write: > Hi, > All this talk of German lyrics has reminded me a tape I once > heard, with Bob singing the first half of Sonic Attack in > non-English. > As the venue was either Paris of Reims I assume it was French. > All for now. Sounds curious! "Dans le cas d'un attaque sonique sur votre endroit, suivez ces reglements... Tous les corps doivent etre menes a l'orgasme au meme temps... Ne pas gachez du temps en bloquant votres oreilles.." (ou quelque chose de ce genre :) - Andy From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Feb 14 09:26:26 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:26:26 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: >> >> That night, the captain's grandaughter, would celebrate her birthday >> >> "I've come a long way", said the captain, "from lost Christabel, >> >> this night, >> >> accompanied by my dog..." >> > >> > Yeah, like, don't forget my dog (fixed and consequent, you know?) >> > >> >> You want to try to link the two of them to "Baby Ice Dog?"... >I don't know about that. The Big black dog is definitely not 'fixed!' If that dog has been around since 1892, it could have been fixed and healed by now. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 14 09:59:05 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:59:05 -0500 Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest Message-ID: Brand - you are right, and my comments are to avoid alot of the typical Usenet group arguments that X suck (and then someone says "No it doesn't). BOC-L, for the most part we like to think, prides itself on being a cut above that level of intelligence. I don't mind people's opinions, as long as they can tell me the reasons behind them. But, let's say I want to buy a BOC album and I want some list opinion of which one to] check out (a frequently re-hashed list topic). I'm going to get lots of different "votes" for people's favorites, but if I don't get some kind of info as to what people like about a particular album, then I might as well just pick one at random (with the exception perhaps of Club Ninja ;-) ). When you tell me what is different between the various albums, then I can make a better judgement as to what will appeal to me personally. John From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Feb 14 10:07:34 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:07:34 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Feb 14, 96 01:10:41 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > Well, how do you feel about "Mr. Tambourine Man"? Maybe you can get a little > > more used to it if you realize its chorus is Mr. Del Rio's verse.... :-) > > Oh, how terrifying! I had never noticed that ... > > (Right, now we can all get down to the serious business of > analyzing "Mr. Tambourine Man" for weird Lovecraftian imagery and see how > it fits into the story of Imaginos. What was all that about "ships" and > "caverns" ...? ;) The first time Al told me that, I nearly had a heart attack. I've lived upon the edge of chance / for 20 years or more Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man / play a song for me Of course, that didn't kill me nearly as much as: I - I - I came here willingly... I - I - I love the crazy clothes she wears... So you see, Buck wasn't joking about being influenced by the Beach Boys. :-) Steve From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Feb 14 10:32:33 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:32:33 -0500 Subject: OFF: Del Rio Message-ID: apologies, it's WAY OFF. But still.... "I lived upon the edge of chance for twenty years or more and this is what my friends all mean..." Longtime veteran LB of the Minnesota Vikings Jack Del Rio was released today, not five months after signing a $3.2 million contract extension. He was injured a week later. Just thought it fit those lines of the song... Now if only he ends up in New Orleans. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM Wed Feb 14 10:28:33 1996 From: 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:28:33 EST Subject: Sonic A Message-ID: >> All this talk of German lyrics has reminded me a tape I once >> heard, with Bob singing the first half of Sonic Attack in >> non-English. >> As the venue was either Paris of Reims I assume it was French. >> All for now. > >Sounds curious! "Dans le cas d'un attaque sonique sur votre endroit, suivez >ces reglements... Tous les corps doivent etre menes a l'orgasme au meme >temps... Ne pas gachez du temps en bloquant votres oreilles.." (ou quelque >chose de ce genre :) That's quite definitely French - I should now, I'm French. But not being much acquainted with Hawkwind, I have no idea if there's some kind of joke involved here or if you're actually looking for a translation ?... Well, anyway, if you need a translation, wave a hand... :-) Alex. From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Wed Feb 14 11:11:34 1996 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:11:34 -0600 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: <199602132126.QAA02258@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Feb 13, 96 04:26:44 pm Message-ID: > >> > That night, the captain's grandaughter, would celebrate her > birthday > >> > "I've come a long way", said the captain, "from lost Christabel, > >> > this night, > >> > accompanied by my dog..." > > > >Then he mumbles something. Is it the dog's name? > > I dunno. Originally I hoped it was "my dog, Sir Rastus Bear", but it seems > clear that it is not. Woulda been cool, though. He says, "Accompanied by my dog familiar" With 'familiar' being like a Witch's (Warlock's) familiar, (though usually it's a cat) through which the person in question communicates with spirits / demons / other dimensions etc., or in Imaginos' case, the Invisibles I suppose. -Bryan From ABrevard at SHL.COM Wed Feb 14 04:24:43 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R. (MSMail)) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:24:43 -0000 Subject: Vote on Astronomy/Like v. Dislike Message-ID: Astronomy on Imaginos - two thumbs up! Good v. Bad - Well we each have our own interpretation of what is good music and what is bad music. Greenday Sucks! See? But thats just me. Is BOC's music better than AC/DC's music? I think so. But AC/DC has sold over 80 million records in their career which hasn't been as longs as BOC's. Its all releative and its your opinion anyway so who cares? Like Music or Dislike Music and why - I'm not capable of explaining why. I have heard some HW beyond Chronicles (pretty good sampling across all the HW incarnations) but I have yet to tell the provider why I like this song and don't like this one. I don't really know. Don't really care either. Music is simple to me it feels good or does nothing for me. So go ahead and talk about Buck's great change up during the chorus or how HW blends a synth perfectly with the drums, however be aware some people just don't care to explain their likes and dislikes to the same depths. Disclaimer: The above is not a flame ok, just pointing out that the "say why" reads like a rule. Yep it can promote intelligent conversations about a song or an album but we be free to offer an opinion without explanation if we choose to do so. AB Off Topic: Is it true Bob Seeger is touring for the first time in 8 years? Wasn't he doing the club scene like BOC? From christoj at PLK.AF.MIL Wed Feb 14 11:44:29 1996 From: christoj at PLK.AF.MIL (Julian Christou) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:44:29 -0700 Subject: The Aliens Are Coming In-Reply-To: <199602132352.SAA01511@listserv.spc.edu> from "Automatic digest processor" at Feb 13, 96 06:52:40 pm Message-ID: Well speaking as an alien, at least one here in the US anyway (I'm not foreign I'm British) I've been following the discussion going on here about the radio signals and so on. Well, just remember it's been 50 years since the first regularlyb'cast TV signals were sent out and even longer for radio signals. Now as these travle at the speed of light, then the extra-solar planets already discovered have probably been bathed in EM radiation form our blue-green home. However, actually dtecting them is a lot more of a difficult problem basically because these are not beamed signals - you can imagining them radiating outward isotropically, i.e. in all direrctions so that the signal strebgth has to fall off by the inverse square of the distance. So another civilisation out there woul have to be looking out ofr these signals with extremely high gain systems. Not being a radio astronomer/engineer I'm not sure how high gain but fairly substantail especially as radio signature of our Sun could well cause interference. And then, there's the problem of if they are deteceted would that civilisation have the ability to follow them back to their source? If so, then they couldn't travel faster than light speed (this is science here not Star Trek) so assuming they were 50 ly years distant and left today we wouldn't see them for probably 100 years taking into account acceleration and deceleration time at the earliest. And who know's where we (the human race) will be then!! nd as for Jill's scenario about the short wave reflection of the atmosphere > Now surely here's a chance for a live Hawkwind gig. > That sounds kinda familiar to some Butterworth/Moorcock stories ... :-) Julian -- +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ | Dr. Julian Christou | Phone: 505-846-4712 x330 | | PL/LIG, Phillips Lab | FAX: 505-846-2213 | | 3550 Aberdeen SE +-----------------------------+ | Kirtland AFB, NM 87117-5776 | E-mail: christoj at plk.af.mil | +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ " You don't have to be ashamed of using your own ideas" Brian Eno - Oblique Strategies From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 14 11:45:03 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:45:03 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: Steve writes: I've lived upon the edge of chance / for 20 years or more Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man / play a song for me Of course, that didn't kill me nearly as much as: I - I - I came here willingly... I - I - I love the crazy clothes she wears... So you see, Buck wasn't joking about being influenced by the Beach Boys. :-) On a similar note, check out the "Heard it through the Grapevine" version of "Born to be Wild" that BOC did for the studio version (it's on WOTT). It's not quite the same, but you get the idea . . . John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 14 08:36:46 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:36:46 +0000 Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest In-Reply-To: <960213215537_321406931@mail06.mail.aol.com> from "Douglas A. Mitchell" at Feb 13, 96 09:55:44 pm Message-ID: > (On a side note, the video that > was done for the Imaginos version of Astronomy is very cool -- lots of > information in it as it tries to tell a big chunk of the Imaginos story > in a short period of time) I assume this is something that dwells in the Museum of Cult with Bolle or something? Ah, falling off into a tangent, that's what we need: Brain Surgeon's videos! Maybe my sister at Oberlin can be persuaded to make one cheap ... it's probably in a better cause than making videos for my demo songs, which is what she was last threatening ... ;) Cheers, Carl From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Feb 14 12:03:44 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:03:44 -0500 Subject: Sonic A Message-ID: >That's quite definitely French - I should now, I'm French. But not being much >acquainted with Hawkwind, I have no idea if there's some kind of joke >involved >here or if you're actually looking for a translation ?... Well, anyway, if >you >need >a translation, wave a hand... :-) Actually, I was just translating the familiar English version ("all bodies ahould be brought to orgasm simultaneously", etc) into French - this is the first I've heard of a French version, so I was trying to imagine what would it sound like... (Must have been a decent translation then! :) "Ne pensez qu'a vos-meme..." - Andy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 14 13:04:06 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:04:06 EST Subject: Vote on Astronomy/Like v. Dislike Message-ID: > perfectly with the drums, however be aware some people just don't care to > explain their likes and dislikes to the same depths. > > Disclaimer: The above is not a flame ok, just pointing out that the "say > why" reads like a rule. Yep it can promote intelligent conversations about > a song or an album but we be free to offer an opinion without explanation if > we choose to do so. > > AB > AB, I took John's remarks more as a reminder to us all that this IS a specialized group, devoted to three bands. We all have a responsibility to enrich our collective understanding of BOC, and this can be done by comparing notes of our likes and dislikes. Somebody posted earlier today that his favorite BOC stuff was FOUO and Imaginos, and he, in a mild way, put down the bands early stuff. This, to me, is a totally foreign concept, 'cause I grew up with BOC, and their early stuff to me is the best [make that early stuff+Imaginos]. My point being thaat his perspective is unique to someone like me, but it's still valuable to read. If I read John right, he wants us to offer concrete stuff we can debate on the list. Otherwise, it's like American Bandstand, where all the kids who rated a record said: 'I liked the beat.' I think a band that's as multifaceted as BOC deserves our full intelectual participation. But hey, it's only r'n'r: if it appeals to you on a gut level, that's cool too. So we could just say that. No flame intended, AB theo From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Feb 14 13:20:10 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 19:20:10 +0100 Subject: Sonic A Message-ID: Hi Jeremy > As the venue was either Paris of Reims I assume it was French. I think it was PARIS, April 1977 Bernhard From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Feb 14 13:37:10 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:37:10 -0500 Subject: Vote on Astronomy/Like v. Dislike In-Reply-To: from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Feb 14, 96 09:24:43 am Message-ID: BREVARD Adrian R. writes: > > Good v. Bad - Well we each have our own interpretation of what is good music > and what is bad music. Greenday Sucks! See? But thats just me. Is BOC's > music better than AC/DC's music? I think so. But AC/DC has sold over 80 > million records in their career which hasn't been as longs as BOC's. Its > all releative and its your opinion anyway so who cares? If that's the case, why would we bother to discuss anything, ever? I mean, if it was all just a matter of everybody having their solitary, inviolate opinion preserved in vacuum, there would be no point trying to carry on a conversation at all. We'd all be just little isolated satellites, beeping out messages that none of the others listened to. If we were to take that approach on this list, we'd soon be back to the level of discussion that you see on Usenet news: It rules! No, it sucks! No, it rules! No, it sucks! ...etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum Steve From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Feb 14 13:48:49 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:48:49 -0500 Subject: BOC: New Chat Log Available Message-ID: the Chat Log from last nite, featuring Bolle and Melne, Eric, Buck, Allen, John, Danny and Sandy Roeser, is available for download in the Zilla Library on the Underbelly http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html... the filename is b16.log and is 105K long... next month I will be assembling a BOC/Brain Surgeons Discography using Voyager CDLink...the software app is about 46K download, and the info is at http://www.voyagerco.com/cdlink/getstarted/win.html for those that may be interested...I found the easiest way to get this program to work with your Web Browser is to edit your Browser's ini. file...they currently have a small registry of CDLink presentations online... ROBO or so the Germans would have us believe From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 14 13:54:21 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:54:21 GMT Subject: Sonic A In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:13:07 -0500 Message-ID: > Sounds curious! "Dans le cas d'un attaque sonique sur votre endroit, suivez > ces reglements... Tous les corps doivent etre menes a l'orgasme au meme > temps... Ne pas gachez du temps en bloquant votres oreilles.." (ou quelque > chose de ce genre :) > owwwp - you mean we should start adding translations to the Lyrics file as well 8-( I *knew* there was a reason for having to learn languages at skool - if they'd only explained that I would need it for Hawkwind stuff.... shucks. obLostOpportunity> above IMO I'd rate German as a better language to translate Hawkwind into - it would retain the intensity of the sound better. ObIdleSpeculation> I wonder what The Wizard Blew His Horn would sound like in Japanese (or something of the sort)? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From chip at PCC.COM Wed Feb 14 14:23:49 1996 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:23:49 -0500 Subject: Vote on Astronomy/Like v. Dislike In-Reply-To: <199602141837.NAA04513@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Feb 14, 96 01:37:10 pm Message-ID: > BREVARD Adrian R. writes: > Good v. Bad - Well we each have our own interpretation of what is good music > and what is bad music. Greenday Sucks! See? But thats just me. Is BOC's > music better than AC/DC's music? I think so. But AC/DC has sold over 80 > million records in their career which hasn't been as longs as BOC's. Its > all releative and its your opinion anyway so who cares? Adrian, sometimes you completely BAFFLE me. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but did you really think this statement through before you decided to post it? So as not to be a heathen, I must say that I've really enjoyed some of the BOC remmakes I've heard in the last year. Oh yeah, I guess I should say why, huh? It makes a difference, doesn't it? I am still blown away with Deb's vocals on "Career of Evil." I am fortunate enough to have a tape deck and a CD-player in my car so I can play the original back-to-back with the new BS copy. I don't mean to offend, but it's clear that Bloom is simply not meant to sing some songs. He's quite monotone and has very little range - perfect for "Veteran'" or "After Dark" (that is him, right?). But for something like "CoE" - nope. Deb sings it the way it should be sung! It's like a resurrection. You see, I never liked "CoE" very much...until I heard the remake. The other track that's improved incredibly with time is "Flaming Telepaths." I never thought much of it until I heard the _Cult Classic_ version. WOW, what a difference. Much better production and a great solo from BD. I never realized how truly majestic the song is. Bloom does a much better vocal job on it in the 90's - he sounds more sinister. It's amazing how much more powerful the lyrics sound when sung correctly. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 14 14:24:20 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 19:24:20 GMT Subject: OFF: The Aliens Are Coming In-Reply-To: Julian Christou's message of Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:44:29 -0700 Message-ID: NB - WARNING this really *is* off topic > Well speaking as an alien, at least one here in the US anyway (I'm not "I'm an alien - I'm an illegal alien" - sorry, that's Sting... > about the radio signals and so on. Well, just remember it's been 50 years > since the first regularlyb'cast TV signals were sent out and even longer > for radio signals. Now as these travle at the speed of light, then the > extra-solar planets already discovered have probably been bathed in EM > radiation form our blue-green home. However, actually dtecting them is Could be why we so rarely see our friendly neighbourhood intergalactic aliens of course - other spacefaring races are so fascinated by the radio/tv garbage coming out of this planet that all they ever do is tune in regularly and listen. Since landing here would spoil the effect, they just come down for a curious look every now and then 8-) Reminds me of a tv prog I saw recently where ocean scientists have discovered highly intelligent squid deep under the ocean. So they now regularly send down unmanned mini-submarines equipped with intensely bright searchlights, video/tv cameras and the ability to capture a squid, take it inside the sub to examine it medically and then release it back into its environment.... However if it really is possible to use the ionised ring round the North Pole as a giant antenna would it also be possible to use it as an transmitter and beam some rather more focussed signals out? (quick caveat: given my total lack of knowledge about electricity and its transmission I would guess I'm missing something fairly basic here!) oops, blethering jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Feb 14 14:43:38 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:43:38 -0500 Subject: Mr Tambourine Man Message-ID: No wonder you people get so confused about so many far more obscure things. "Mr Tambourine Man," though, is pretty basic. Although many artists have covered it, most notably the Byrds, it's the work of Bob Dylan (to whom Donovan was once supposed to be England's answer). And, according to the composer, the Del Rio joke was purely intentional... From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 14 14:58:10 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:58:10 EST Subject: OFF: The Aliens Are Coming Message-ID: > > However if it really is possible to use the ionised ring round the > North Pole as a giant antenna would it also be possible to use > it as an transmitter and beam some rather more focussed signals out? > > (quick caveat: given my total lack of knowledge about electricity and > its transmission I would guess I'm missing something fairly basic here!) > > oops, blethering > > jill > Better hurry up with that antenna before all the poltion etc permanently goofs up the ion ring! theo From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Feb 14 15:18:09 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:18:09 -0500 Subject: Sonic A Message-ID: >IMO I'd rate German as a better language to translate Hawkwind into - it >would retain the intensity of the sound better. ObIdleSpeculation> I >wonder what The Wizard Blew His Horn would sound like in Japanese (or >something of the sort)? The tall horse leered, from his rake of tears... :) You know, time was when artists would record foreign-language version of their albums (still happens to some extent on the continent, eg you can get a Spanish version of Laura Pausini's album, and she's Italian). Wouldn't it be neat to have foreign versions of favourite BOC and HW albums? (Of course, Al's made a start on this, with "Ciudades"...) But how about: "N'as pas peur du faucheur", or "L'age doree de cuir", or "Maitre de l'univers", or even "Machine d'argent"? "Le rouge et le noir" just *has* to be in French, too... I'd love to hear these! In my dreams! Some might work better in German: "Babyeishund", "Gehirnsturm", "Wilkommen ins Zukunft"... Oops, getting carried away! Must fly! - Andy From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Feb 14 15:37:41 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:37:41 -0500 Subject: Sonic A Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-14 14:05:33 EST, you write: > I >wonder what The Wizard Blew His Horn would sound like in Japanese (or >something of the sort)? We may find out. i've heard there is a Japanese promoter looking to book Nikwind and various other bands of this ilk for a rave/festival sort of thing in early spring. i spoke to some pressurehed guys a while back and they confirmed it seems like a serious deal. Anyone hear of this? regards, Bill Stewart From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Feb 14 15:45:03 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:45:03 -0500 Subject: OFF: Devil Doll, High Tide, and Tape tree info Message-ID: > Hawkfan Greetings, Andrew/Roger: > > I still haven't gotten your blank tapes for the Angels of Death > Band HW cover tape tree. If you are still interested but are > experiencing "difficulties", feel free to email me if there is any Mailed 'em out yesterday. Hope they get there okay, the envelope was a little suspect. > Sorry, I have not heard Devils Doll before, but I have heard OF > them. They are an American independent-label prog group, right? Pretty much. Lemme quote the guy: "Lots of universal republic horror from the 30's, with a dose of Bernard Hermann with rock thrown in. Theatrical horror, very cinematic...." He said they're not really BLANGA, though (I went over the web page to brush up on the term), but he recommends "High Tide" as a good source of BLANGA... > Zelazny used to be great...I was sorely disappointed with the > second Amber series, tho. Seemed to me that he ran out of steam in > the early eighties. That quote was from "Trumps of Doom", which kicked off the 2nd series. I didn't like it as much at first, but warmed up to it a lot more the second time around. When he avoids dream sequences I like it a lot. I believe the tale was not quite yet finished, and his untimely death pretty much ends hope of that being filled in. He was supposed to be working on "The Salesman's Tale", a series (pieces of which have been published in "Amberzine", a fanzine dedicated to Amber) which parallels the Merlin books but from Luke's point of view. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 14 15:49:11 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:49:11 -0500 Subject: Vote on Astronomy/Like v. Dislike Message-ID: Adrian says: >Like Music or Dislike Music and why - I'm not capable of explaining why. I have heard some HW beyond Chronicles (pretty good sampling across all the HW incarnations) but I have yet to tell the provider why I like this song and don't like this one. I don't really know. Don't really care either. Music is simple to me it feels good or does nothing for me. So go ahead and talk about Buck's great change up during the chorus or how HW blends a synth perfectly with the drums, however be aware some people just don't care to explain their likes and dislikes to the same depths. Think about it - I bet you can explain why - at least on some level. I'm not suggesting we all have to have Ph.D.'s in music, or that we can play instruments. To what *degree* you can explain why you like or dislike something is not as important to me as being able to say *something*. Maybe the song reminds you of something. Maybe it sounds like another band or style of music you like. Maybe the bass is cranked way up and it makes your chest rumble and your balls twitch (not exactly the reason I like particularly like playing bass, but...;) ). Can you snap your fingers to it? Can you bang your head to it? Does it annoy your loved ones? I don't care how simplistic the reasons may be, but if someone tells me they like or dislike something, and they want me to hear them, then I want to know why (at some level). Adrian, you have made many comments about aspects of BOC's songs. For instance, I believe there are several songs that you feel require Albert's vocals rather than Eric's, and you've given some reasons. So, there you go - you've got reasons for your opinions. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 14 15:52:13 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:52:13 -0500 Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest Message-ID: > (On a side note, the video that > was done for the Imaginos version of Astronomy is very cool -- lots of > information in it as it tries to tell a big chunk of the Imaginos story > in a short period of time) I assume this is something that dwells in the Museum of Cult with Bolle or something? Yep, although I did not go to the museum to see it (at least not yet). I believe that this video was either never officially released, or was a UK-only thing (I'll have to see what I said in the FAQ). John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 14 16:19:42 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:19:42 EST Subject: Sonic A Message-ID: > You know, time was when artists would record foreign-language version of > their albums (still happens to some extent on the continent, eg you can get a > Spanish version of Laura Pausini's album, and she's Italian). Wouldn't it be > neat to have foreign versions of favourite BOC and HW albums? (Of course, > Al's made a start on this, with "Ciudades"...) > > But how about: "N'as pas peur du faucheur", or "L'age doree de cuir", or > "Maitre de l'univers", or even "Machine d'argent"? "Le rouge et le noir" > just *has* to be in French, too... I'd love to hear these! In my dreams! > > Some might work better in German: "Babyeishund", "Gehirnsturm", "Wilkommen > ins Zukunft"... > > Oops, getting carried away! Must fly! > > - Andy I belive Eric is fairly proficient in Japanese, at least to the extent that he sings many BOC songs in that language when the band tours Japan. theo From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Wed Feb 14 16:30:49 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:30:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin releases Message-ID: Just got off the phone with Robert Godwin from Griffin, Good News Bad News I guess, The good news, he says that the Griffin Strange Trips & Pipe Dreams is now out (just out I think he means). The bad news on a Griffin release for Alien seems to be that it may be a while, or it may be never.... He blames ...... You have one guess and one guess only....... Doug Smith !!! There that wasn't hard now was it, boys & girls .... Something about Doug looking around for other offers (other than Griffin) and presumably looking, and looking, and.... Rob also mentioned that they hadn't really had any response to yet more queries on Sonic attack and Choose Youre Masques, quelle surprise. Cheers, Steve L. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Feb 14 16:37:14 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:37:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin releases In-Reply-To: <199602142130.QAA06776@dogberry> from "Stephen Lindsey" at Feb 14, 96 04:30:49 pm Message-ID: > > Just got off the phone with Robert Godwin from Griffin, > > Good News Bad News I guess, > > The good news, he says that the Griffin Strange Trips & Pipe Dreams > is now out (just out I think he means). > This is true, I've had my copy for a couple of weeks now... > The bad news on a Griffin release for Alien seems to be that it may be a while, > or it may be never.... He blames ...... > > You have one guess and one guess only....... > > > Doug Smith !!! There that wasn't hard now was it, boys & girls .... > "Hello, RPM, still got that copy in stock?..." > Something about Doug looking around for other offers (other than Griffin) > and presumably looking, and looking, and.... > While my dollars fly over to the coffers of the UK. _Bad_ business move, Doug! (no surprise there, eh?) > Rob also mentioned that they hadn't really had any response to > yet more queries on Sonic attack and Choose Youre Masques, quelle surprise. > > Cheers, > Steve L. > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Feb 14 16:44:11 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:44:11 EST Subject: HW: Griffin releases Message-ID: >Just got off the phone with Robert Godwin from Griffin, > >The good news, he says that the Griffin Strange Trips & Pipe Dreams >is now out (just out I think he means). > >Steve L. Courtesy of Mike Coleman at Delta Wave, I picked up my GRIFFIN copy of "Strange Trips.." back in early December, and I got my GRIFFIN copy of Simon's "Yassassim" in mid-January - at domestic prices! However, I have yet to see another Griffin copy of either one... Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Feb 14 17:30:02 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:30:02 -0500 Subject: Sonic A In-Reply-To: from "Ted O. Jackson" at Feb 14, 96 04:19:42 pm Message-ID: Ted O. Jackson writes: > > I belive Eric is fairly proficient in Japanese, at least to the > extent that he sings many BOC songs in that language when the band > tours Japan. So, then does he shout "Everybody look out! Godzilla is coming!" in English? This, and the mention of the unreleased video (in another thread), reminded me of something... I have a great video that I bought at Arisia last year; it's called the Rock-n-Roll Monster Video Mash or something like that. Basically a fan with a lot of time on his hands - and access to far too many cheesy old monster movies - created home-made videos for about a baker's dozen rock-n-roll tunes. The ones I can remember offhand are Godzilla - using various cheesy japanese Gz movies Steppenwolf - using footage from classic and modern werewolf movies Spirit of the Age - using footage from Metropolis and (I think) an old Buck Rogers movie The Frankenstein Stomp - using the classic film I Want to Bite Your Hand - a parody of I Want to Hold Your Hand, using the classic Bela Lugosi film. The guy who made the vid told me the song was taken from an old LP called "Dracula's Greatest Hits". It's hysterical. "And when I... bite you / I feel happy... inside!" Creature From the Black Lagoon - featuring footage from "Revenge of the Creature", I believe. Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft - heck, the song is so cheesy by itself, it almost doesn't need the various UFO movie footage to back it up. The Monster Mash - featuring footage from some claymation film of all the classic movie monsters having a party. They Won't Stay Dead - with footage from Romero's zombie films Prince of Darkness - footage from one of the old Hammer vampire films. Come to the Sabbath - footage from an old black and white movie of a witch's gathering. The collection is definitely... uh, "eclectic". :-) It contains everything from classic rock tunes to weird little novelty songs, to what could best be described as "garage punk". And the video quality is appropriately trashy on many of the tracks, with much overuse of a Chroma key. :-) I might be able to dig up the address of the place, if anybody is interested in it. Steve From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Feb 14 17:36:01 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:36:01 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin releases Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-14 16:34:18 EST, you write: >Something about Doug looking around for other offers (other than Griffin) >and presumably looking, and looking, and.... Hmmmm..maybe he can sign with Cleopatra. So the next time Nik uses the word Hawkwind he (Doug) could have the pleasure of sueing his own label. As I recall Griffin treated the Hawks pretty well, but I guess we can't have any of that. regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Feb 14 17:42:42 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:42:42 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin releases Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-14 16:50:22 EST, you write: >Courtesy of Mike Coleman at Delta Wave, I picked up my GRIFFIN copy > of "Strange Trips.." back in early December, and I got my GRIFFIN > copy of Simon's "Yassassim" in mid-January - at domestic prices! > > Yea, Coleman is the best this side of the Atlantic! He is in Texas, his phone is 214-991-6621. Hes an honest guy and takes care of Uncle Nik when Nikwind tours Texas. regards, Bill Stewart From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Wed Feb 14 18:02:57 1996 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:02:57 -0600 Subject: BOC: astronomy video In-Reply-To: <199602142052.PAA24373@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Feb 14, 96 03:52:13 pm Message-ID: > > I assume this is something that dwells in the Museum of Cult > with Bolle or something? > > > Yep, although I did not go to the museum to see it (at least not yet). > I believe that this video was either never officially released, or > was a UK-only thing (I'll have to see what I said in the FAQ). > > John I must have deleted the original message where someone said they saw the video, but my 2 cents worth to add to the discussion is that it was in fact only UK released (and mtv would never show it anyway so why bother releasing it here?) and that Bolle did have a copy but S Pearlman came by and took Bolle's only copy with him to use for the mysterious Imaginos multimedia cdrom video game etc thing. I remember this vividly because on my last trip to the museum from San Diego I was hoping to see it, but SP had just absconded with it not long before I went up. Anyone know who made the thing? -Bryan From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Feb 14 18:14:38 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 00:14:38 +0100 Subject: hejsan Message-ID: Hi! I=B4m a new subscriber of this mailing-list, and I just want to know if I=B4= m the only Swede in th Blue Cyber Cult space...or-whatever-you-call-it. Om Bolle l=E4ser det h=E4r s=E5 har jag inte gl=F6mt ditt ursprung! -Daniel Wikdahl Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a 392 36 KALMAR 0480-245 11 From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Wed Feb 14 18:51:03 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:51:03 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: >> >> > That night, the captain's grandaughter, would celebrate her >>birthday >> > "I've come a long way", said the captain, "from lost Christabel, >> > this night, >> > accompanied by my dog..." > >Then he mumbles something. Is it the dog's name? No, the throw away line is "........my dog and familiar, to blast...." Where 'familiar' means manservant. Al From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Wed Feb 14 18:51:09 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:51:09 -0500 Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest Message-ID: > On a gut level, of course, I agree completely with Steve. >Michael Jackson blows syphilitic whale wads over putrified wombat >corpses and anyone can see that! :) On the other hand, I think the 'Dangerous' album ain't so bad, especially the 'earache my eye' routine. And I'll take syphilitic whale wads over putrified wombat corpses anyday Al From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Feb 14 20:01:28 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 20:01:28 -0500 Subject: Vote on Astronomy/Like v. Dislike Message-ID: AB says: however be aware some people just don't care to explain their likes and dislikes to the same depths. However, be aware: many people just care to hit the delete button. C-ya! From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Feb 14 23:48:20 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:48:20 -0500 Subject: Sonic A Message-ID: >So, then does he shout "Everybody look out! Godzilla is coming!" in >English? Sort of. He moves his lips and Allan keys it up of a sampler so it isn't synchronized. >a baker's dozen rock-n-roll tunes. The ones I can remember offhand >are > >Godzilla - using various cheesy japanese Gz movies etc. I suppose you could use Warren Zevon's "Werewolves of London" with that list... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Feb 14 23:48:23 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:48:23 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: >No, the throw away line is "........my dog and familiar, to blast...." >Where 'familiar' means manservant. Thank you, Al. I wasn't happy with the dog being a familiar. Been trying to pin that line down for ages. I can sleep at peace now. No que... ... is it "to blast... with my surprise" or "to blast... with my supplies"? Who speaks the voice of the Captain? =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Thu Feb 15 01:20:31 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:20:31 -0800 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: At 11:48 PM 2/14/96 -0500, you wrote: >>No, the throw away line is "........my dog and familiar, to blast...." >>Where 'familiar' means manservant. > >Thank you, Al. I wasn't happy with the dog being a familiar. Been trying >to pin that line down for ages. I can sleep at peace now. No que... Damn, and I always thought it was "my dog, Vladmir.." Hey, whadya know? I'm back on the list! _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish and Gentlemen, | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| here's my angled dream.." |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Feb 15 01:22:28 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 00:22:28 -0600 Subject: OFF: The Aliens Are Coming In-Reply-To: <9602141924.aa20446@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, J Strobridge wrote: > NB - WARNING this really *is* off topic Still applies... BTW, I never learned what "NB" stands for... > > Well speaking as an alien, at least one here in the US anyway (I'm not > "I'm an alien - I'm an illegal alien" - sorry, that's Sting... I thought it was "I'm an alien - I'm a legal alien"... I had the album. Whatever. Damon From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Feb 15 03:56:01 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:56:01 +0000 Subject: BOC: astronomy video In-Reply-To: <9602142302.AA03807@crux.astr.ua.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, Bryan Irby wrote: > > I must have deleted the original message where someone said they saw the > video, but my 2 cents worth to add to the discussion is that it was in > fact only UK released I have no idea whether this video was officially released for sale in the UK, but it was shown on one occasion at least on British TV. Just after Astronomy was released as a single I caught the video on late night TV. Pretty cool it was too, though naturally it was faded out early. I think a friend of mine may have copied it, though tracking it down is gonna be rather difficult. D From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Thu Feb 15 05:07:19 1996 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:07:19 +0100 Subject: hejsan Message-ID: At 00.14 1996-02-15 +0100, you wrote: >Hi! >I=B4m a new subscriber of this mailing-list, and I just want to know if I= =B4m the >only Swede in th Blue Cyber Cult space...or-whatever-you-call-it. >Om Bolle l=E4ser det h=E4r s=E5 har jag inte gl=F6mt ditt ursprung! > > Well, there are a couple of us here, and a couple of Hawkfans. Myself though feel for the moment that I am somewhere in the twilight zone, since my computer died a few days ago(no resurrection is possible here). So I had to borrow this notebook to check my mail. Anyone has an old 486 to send me? :) "See me in the blue sky bag, and meet me by the sea..." Jag ska f=F6rs=F6ka skicka ett brev privat. Men jag kan inte garantera= n=E5gonting betr=E4ffande min cyberspaceframtid. Dan Lindfors i Stockholm =E4n s=E5 l=E4nge lindfors at algonet.se From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 15 07:54:45 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:54:45 +0000 Subject: HW: Griffin releases In-Reply-To: <960214173600_422699326@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "Bill Stewart" at Feb 14, 96 05:36:01 pm Message-ID: > >Something about Doug looking around for other offers (other than Griffin) > >and presumably looking, and looking, and.... > > Hmmmm..maybe he can sign with Cleopatra. So the next time Nik uses the word > Hawkwind he (Doug) could have the pleasure of sueing his own label. > As I recall Griffin treated the Hawks pretty well, but I guess we can't have > any of that. Doug Smith would probably sue himself, if given the opportunity. Gods forbid that Hawkwind should actually make any money! What say we just kinda rub this guy out? :) _I_ could manage Hawkwind better without even any experience ... Cheers, Carl From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Thu Feb 15 08:18:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:18:00 -0500 Subject: New HW related Message-ID: Hello, I was just informed that the Alan Davey Solo lp (untitled yet) will be released in the UK on July 8th. I think it will be on EBS. EBS will also release a lp/CD on the solistice with four or five bands, one of which is Salt Tank. I beleive the live HW is still due in March/April. Scott ObCassette: Scylding-Demo 95 (remix) From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Feb 15 08:34:58 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:34:58 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin releases Message-ID: > Doug Smith would probably sue himself, if given the opportunity. >Gods forbid that Hawkwind should actually make any money! What say >we just kinda rub this guy out? :) > _I_ could manage Hawkwind better without even any experience ... Shall we set up a donation fund? Send your cheques to Rub Out Doug Smith (R.O.D.S.), c/o Hawkfan Anonymous 1515 etc. If we get enough we could hire Lemmy to do it. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 15 09:02:21 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:02:21 -0500 Subject: Sonic A Message-ID: Theo writes: >I belive Eric is fairly proficient in Japanese, at least to the extent that he sings many BOC songs in that language when the band tours Japan. Well, Eric may know some Japanese, but I hate to bust anyone's bubble, but Eric did NOT sing in Japanese when the band toured Japan (and it's been a few years I believe since they've done that). That stuff written in the liner notes to WOTT (and some tour programs) about Eric singing sets in Japanese is utter bullshit. Someone forwarded a comment made by Bolle on this topic to BOC-L after WOTT came out (I might have it, and if so I'll re-post). Eric does do a brief intro to the song in Japanese, but that is it. I've got a tape from Osaka in 1978 and I can assure you Eric sings in English. This is somewhat of a sore spot for Bolle because he spent big bucks years ago to secure a recording from a BOC show in Japan, and was pretty pissed to find out that he had been misled (and he's none to happy that this lie has been perpetuated in the WOTT liner notes). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 15 09:10:49 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:10:49 -0500 Subject: BOC: Eric singing Japanese - NOT Message-ID: As I mentioned, Bolle had something to say on this topic after WOTT came out. I save a copy of his comments, and here they are. Sorry for those of you that believed (like I did) that Eric Bloom sang in Japanese when BOC toured Japan: Subj: Workshop of The Journalist Date: 95-09-27 04:06:24 EDT From: TUBULAR 1 Although I do agree with some of the liner notes, I still have to make that sad statement again. These Liner notes are old and of poor ficticious writings. I could do better, I am sure, had I ever dropped acid... As it is, I've never done any drugs in my life... Yes Alcohol is fine, but I personally never even touch an aspirin...It simply is too unnatural... So.. Mr. Levy... why recycle these old lying stories from past presskits that any serious collector already has...NO!! And I Repeat! NO! There never was a half set of EB doing Jap versions of their songs.. What incredible hallucogenics made Arthur write this crap? I recall paying some 200 dollars back in 1979 to find out about this being a reality or not... so to Arthur and his Jap Lies...Fuck That Crap!!! My Osaka Live tape once cost me $200 worth in trades, to secure that audience master back in 1979-80 from my Japanese Bootlegger friends...all because of selling ludicrous LIES! LIES! LIES! These days I'm not so naive anymore and I don't really fall for tricky journalism from any standpoint, but that was weak... You should never tell LIES and especially not when they can be found out...even at a cost of $200 of 70's Dollars... I have NO Respect for people who do too much drugs or tell fables to impress the mere ignorant poor sod (i.e. me at the time) The Liner notes did upgrade some from the presskits, but at the same time, they do need a better rewrite. ...and... Yes! This band is not DEAD this is not a Euolgy of some bygone days. This is the resume of Rock's currently hottest band, no problems. So, why lie about cool possible events when the reality is so much cooler anyways... Just Witness this band LIVE in Concert... I wish some more reality was put into this booklet story. P{erhaps this will allbe redeemed on the day we get to write that Goldmine article and story... Or even better.. I may still surprise everyone and finish my Book Of Cult one of these days... Maltese Falcon??? As in Collectible? with 4 different copies in my hand... Hmm... I'll have to think about that one for a while.... BOLLE_!_? John From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 15 08:57:12 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:57:12 GMT Subject: New HW related In-Reply-To: 617's message of Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:18:00 -0500 Message-ID: 617 writes: > Hello, > > I was just informed that the Alan Davey Solo lp (untitled yet) > will be released in the UK on July 8th. I think it will be on EBS. EBS > will also release a lp/CD on the solistice with four or five bands, > one of which is Salt Tank. I hope one of them is Spacehead. I heard that they'd been talking to EBS and that they wanted to tour with Hawkwind (they're the guys who do the Where Are They Now? Hawkwind cover on the covers project.) Then again, I also heard they were talking to Doug Smith.... Say, Doug Smith hasn't muscled in on the covers project by any chance? > Scott FoFP From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 15 09:45:59 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:45:59 EST Subject: Eric's non-nipon Message-ID: > Theo writes: > > >I belive Eric is fairly proficient in Japanese, at least to the > extent that he sings many BOC songs in that language when the band > tours Japan. > > > Well, Eric may know some Japanese, but I hate to bust anyone's bubble, > but Eric did NOT sing in Japanese when the band toured Japan (and it's > been a few years I believe since they've done that). That stuff written > in the liner notes to WOTT (and some tour programs) about Eric singing > sets in Japanese is utter bullshit. Someone forwarded a comment made > by Bolle on this topic to BOC-L after WOTT came out (I might have it, > and if so I'll re-post). Eric does do a brief intro to the song in > Japanese, but that is it. I've got a tape from Osaka in 1978 and I can > assure you Eric sings in English. This is somewhat of a sore spot for > Bolle because he spent big bucks years ago to secure a recording from > a BOC show in Japan, and was pretty pissed to find out that he had been > misled (and he's none to happy that this lie has been perpetuated in the > WOTT liner notes). > > John John, Apparently, that rumor is harder to kill than a cockroach. I posted it 'cause I've read it in so many places. Why didn't someone slam the door shut on that one a long time ago? Maybe 'cause it adds to the air of mystery surrounding the band? I don't blame Bolle for freaking over that one. theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 15 09:55:11 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:55:11 EST Subject: Bolle: don't hold back! Message-ID: > Although I do agree with some of the liner notes, I still have to make that > sad statement again. These Liner notes are old and of poor ficticious > writings. I could do better, I am sure, had I ever dropped acid... > As it is, I've never done any drugs in my life... Yes Alcohol is fine, but I > personally never even touch an aspirin...It simply is too unnatural... So.. > Mr. Levy... why recycle these old lying stories from past presskits that any > serious collector already has...NO!! And I Repeat! NO! There never was a half > set of EB doing Jap versions of their songs.. What incredible hallucogenics > made Arthur write this crap? I recall paying some 200 dollars back in 1979 to > find out about this being a reality or not... so to Arthur and his Jap > Lies...Fuck That Crap!!! My Osaka Live tape once cost me $200 worth in > trades, to secure that audience master back in 1979-80 from my Japanese > Bootlegger friends...all because of selling ludicrous LIES! LIES! LIES! > These days I'm not so naive anymore and I don't really fall for tricky > journalism from any standpoint, but that was weak... You should never tell > LIES and especially not when they can be found out...even at a cost of $200 > of 70's Dollars... I have NO Respect for people who do too much drugs or tell > fables to impress the mere ignorant poor sod (i.e. me at the time) The Liner > notes did upgrade some from the presskits, but at the same time, they do need > a better rewrite. ...and... Yes! This band is not DEAD this is not a Euolgy > of some bygone days. This is the resume of Rock's currently hottest band, no > problems. So, why lie about cool possible events when the reality is so much > cooler anyways... Just Witness this band LIVE in Concert... I wish some more > reality was put into this booklet story. P{erhaps this will allbe redeemed on > the day we get to write that Goldmine article and story... Or even better.. I > may still surprise everyone and finish my Book Of Cult one of these days... > Maltese Falcon??? As in Collectible? with 4 different copies in my hand... > Hmm... I'll have to think about that one for a while.... > BOLLE_!_? > > John Geez, Bolle, don't hang onto pent-up emotions! Maybe if the band and Sony ever get their heads out of their collective asses, they'll assign John or BOlle [preferably both] the task of writing the libretto for the 'real' boxed set if it ever comes out. It makes all the difference when someone truly knowledgeable writes such a project, and a big ticket boxed set deserves no less. Look at the Jeff Beck or The Band box sets. The booklet is damn near better than the music. The reference to EB singing in Japanese is only the tip of the iceberg of Levy's ignorance. At least they included some neat memorabilia in WOtT. theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 15 10:48:24 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:48:24 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: TREPANATION OUT SOON! Message-ID: Just saw this in ICE (CD Newsletter) regarding upcoming album releases: FEBRUARY 27 ... The Brain Surgeons - Trepanation (Ripe & Ready) ... Check your local record stores after that date - and make sure they've got copies! John From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Feb 15 10:54:21 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:54:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Discussing music In-Reply-To: <199602141837.NAA04513@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Feb 14, 96 01:37:10 pm Message-ID: Steve Swann asks: > If that's the case, why would we bother to discuss anything, ever? I > mean, if it was all just a matter of everybody having their solitary, > inviolate opinion preserved in vacuum, there would be no point trying > to carry on a conversation at all. We'd all be just little isolated > satellites, beeping out messages that none of the others listened to. In other words, the world would be just like usenet... ;-) This is a deep ontological problem, and one I won't go into in much depth. I fall firmly into the "relativist" camp, and believe---in the limit---that everyone's opinion is valid. Whether I *believe* what others profess, or *accept* it is a matter for me to decide. I am the arbiter and processor of the information I receive (though not always, but we struggle towards that goal). I can easily accept that someone could *genuinely believe* that, say, Mekong Delta's _The Music of Erich Zann_ is pure, unmusical, crap. For them it *is*. But whether I believe it, or accept it to be valid *for me*, is another matter. I decide. For me, it isn't. We are all happy, despite there now being two "truths" regarding that album (unless the other person also believes that all Mekong Delta fans should be systematically liquidated:). :-) I disagree that we all have our "solitary, inviolate opinion preserved in vacuum." In fact, I believe it is very difficult *not* to be affected (to some degree, however small) by the information onslaught all around us. Our brains form concepts and opinions based upon the information we receive, and words---like sight, sound, and smell---are just another information source. (Cue soundtrack of "Coded Languages.":) So they must invariably affect our opinion (to some degree). This is why I believe that conversation and discourse is important; it allows the spread of information and concepts. The real trick, however, is to be discriminating in processing what you receive. :-) > If we were to take that approach on this list, we'd soon be back to > the level of discussion that you see on Usenet news: > > It rules! > No, it sucks! > No, it rules! > No, it sucks! > ...etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum I agree. And, in a sense, you are arguing the case for "relativism." A statement like "it sucks!" lacks a huge amount of context that is otherwise present when someone supplies supporting argument and says, instead, "it sucks because ..." It is the supporting argument that allows us to place the originator in an appropriate mind space relative to us. And, once placed, we can better evaluate their input in relation to our own beliefs. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Feb 15 11:01:21 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:01:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: The Aliens Are Coming Message-ID: >> > Well speaking as an alien, at least one here in the US anyway (I'm not >> "I'm an alien - I'm an illegal alien" - sorry, that's Sting... >I thought it was "I'm an alien - I'm a legal alien"... I had the album. Thats what I thought also. Fancy someone writing a song for the INS :-) >Whatever. > >Damon Martyn From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Thu Feb 15 11:12:23 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:12:23 -0600 Subject: Doug Smith/Covers Project (was Re: New HW related) In-Reply-To: <9602151357.aa12664@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, M Holmes wrote: > Say, Doug Smith hasn't muscled in on the covers project by any chance? Not yet, though I'm planning on donating all profits to the RODS fund, so I suppose he will be involved, on some level.... Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Thu Feb 15 11:14:46 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:14:46 -0600 Subject: [off] Music of Erich Zahn??? was Re: OFF: Discussing music In-Reply-To: <9602151554.AA07978@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Paul Mather wrote: > I can easily accept that someone could *genuinely believe* that, say, > Mekong Delta's _The Music of Erich Zann_ is pure, unmusical, crap. > For them it *is*. But whether I believe it, or accept it to be valid > *for me*, is another matter. I decide. For me, it isn't. We are all > happy, despite there now being two "truths" regarding that album > (unless the other person also believes that all Mekong Delta fans > should be systematically liquidated:). :-) Being an HPL fan, I'm naturally curious about this Erich Zahn band. Could someone provide some more info on them? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Thu Feb 15 11:22:43 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:22:43 EST Subject: OFF: Discussing music Message-ID: > > I agree. And, in a sense, you are arguing the case for "relativism." > a statement like "it sucks!" lacks a huge amount of context that is >otherwise present when someone supplies supporting argument and says, >nstead, "it sucks because ..." It is the supporting argument that >allows us to place the originator in an appropriate mind space> > >relative to us. And, once placed, we can better evaluate their input > n relation to our own beliefs. voting isn't all bad. it's just a statistical measure of likes and dislikes. Measure the votes first, then ask qustions if something doesn't make sense. We usaually analyze the data after it's been gatherered, not before, or while in the process. ` Just an engineer's perspective. RR From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Feb 15 11:37:48 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:37:48 +0100 Subject: Off: Re: hejsan Message-ID: >Hi! >I=B4m a new subscriber of this mailing-list, and I just want to know if I= =B4m the >only Swede in th Blue Cyber Cult space...or-whatever-you-call-it. >Om Bolle l=E4ser det h=E4r s=E5 har jag inte gl=F6mt ditt ursprung! > > -Daniel Wikdahl Welcome to BOC-l, Daniel (guess you're not supposed to welcome a BOC'er to the Future ;0) Hope you're gonna like the life here. There seems to be a few of us swedes here on this list. Thus far it's Dan and the newbie Daniel of the BOC camp, and in the Hawk Corner we have me and Henrik who's active. Don't counting various semi swedes now... (Hej, Carl!) Just a short question: Is there more of us swedes lurking on BOC-l? Please say 'hi' - if you're shy try direct access to me at=20 hawkjoe at eka.ericsson.se Charlotte was here last spring (BOC'er), but unsubscribed for summer vacation. Are you back? (Or didn't your mail administrator refuse you to resubscribe...) skal & tack - \\joe From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 15 13:45:21 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:45:21 +0000 Subject: HW: Griffin releases In-Reply-To: <199602151334.IAA02451@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Feb 15, 96 08:34:58 am Message-ID: > > Doug Smith would probably sue himself, if given the opportunity. > >Gods forbid that Hawkwind should actually make any money! What say > >we just kinda rub this guy out? :) > > Shall we set up a donation fund? Send your cheques to > Rub Out Doug Smith (R.O.D.S.), > c/o Hawkfan Anonymous > 1515 etc. > If we get enough we could hire Lemmy to do it. I don't think there's any love lost between Lemmy and Doug Smith, so Lemmy might work cheap on this one .... ;) Cheers, Carl From ABrevard at SHL.COM Thu Feb 15 14:07:39 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R. (MSMail)) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:07:39 -0700 Subject: At the end of the day..... Message-ID: >I think a band that's as multifaceted as BOC deserves our full intelectual participation. But hey, it's only r'n'r: if it appeals to you on a gut level, that's cool too. So we could just say that. >No flame intended, AB >theo No flames perceived by me Theo. At the end of the day, no matter how you slice it or dice, it its all just rock & roll. Nuff said, the point is hardly worth discussing anyhow. On with the show. Since there are some new people with varying taste and opinions on BOC's music perhaps Torgo's BOC poll should be conducted again. Could be interesting results with input from new sources. Anybody have a copy of the format? AB - I too, dream in infared and scream in digital. Quick question for Al & Deb - saw that you both trained for the NYC marathon, but did you ever run it? Just curious. From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Feb 15 14:52:42 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:52:42 -0500 Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: well, I was not able to get in contact with Bolle via telly...but I noticed that the ftp Nevada Online Guitar Archive has been shutdown "until legal issues are resolved"... ROBO From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Feb 15 15:12:41 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:12:41 -0500 Subject: Copyright News In-Reply-To: <960215145241_423460574@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "Rob Maerz" at Feb 15, 96 02:52:42 pm Message-ID: Rob Maerz writes: > > well, I was not able to get in contact with Bolle via telly...but I noticed > that the ftp Nevada Online Guitar Archive has been shutdown "until legal > issues are resolved"... There used to be an e-mail lyrics server operating, several years ago. It closed down due to legal problems. I've been kind of anticipating a big legal crackdown ever since the 'net hit the big time. I think the best way to keep the right to maintain archives at all is to do it as a low profile operation. This is a private discussion list; I think the archive should be taken off the web, and its existence should remain unadvertised outside of this forum. If we keep a low profile, and don't broadcast the availability of this stuff all over the net, then nobody will take any notice of our little fans-only lyrics project. That's my suggestion, anyway. Steve From mseher at ULTRAVOX.EAST.SUN.COM Thu Feb 15 15:50:37 1996 From: mseher at ULTRAVOX.EAST.SUN.COM (Michael Seher) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:50:37 -0500 Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes > I've been kind of anticipating a big legal crackdown ever since the > 'net hit the big time. I think the best way to keep the right to > maintain archives at all is to do it as a low profile operation. This > is a private discussion list; I think the archive should be taken off > the web, and its existence should remain unadvertised outside of this > forum. If we keep a low profile, and don't broadcast the availability > of this stuff all over the net, then nobody will take any notice of > our little fans-only lyrics project. > That's my suggestion, anyway. Those are good points, Steve. However, it may be necessary for us to form some "Secret Treaties" in order to accomplish those goals. :) m Christina...mother's home Christina...come to mother "Joan Crawford" From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 15 16:25:26 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:25:26 -0500 Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: Rob Maerz writes: > > well, I was not able to get in contact with Bolle via telly...but I noticed > that the ftp Nevada Online Guitar Archive has been shutdown "until legal > issues are resolved"... Lot of bullshit again, if you ask me. I agree that if someone basically copied tab out of a book or something and put it in OLGA (and there may be some of that going on), but if someone sits down and figures out the chords to a song, or the lead line and figures out how to play it on a guitar and writes it down, it hardly seems like a copyright violation. Certainly if this person verbally tells another person how to play it, no violation is committed. Why should putting it in a file that others can access be a violation? Sheez if I tell you the chords to "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" are Am - G - F (well, actually they're playing Bm - A - G in concert these days I think - Buck using a capo), what's the big deal? Steve adds: >I've been kind of anticipating a big legal crackdown ever since the 'net hit the big time. I think the best way to keep the right to maintain archives at all is to do it as a low profile operation. This is a private discussion list; I think the archive should be taken off the web, and its existence should remain unadvertised outside of this forum. If we keep a low profile, and don't broadcast the availability of this stuff all over the net, then nobody will take any notice of our little fans-only lyrics project. I'm not the moderator, or responsible for the archives, but I would think that this would be somewhat of a shame to do. I'd rather see everyone download what they want from the archive and then keep the archive up and running until someone were to ask us to shut it down. Again, this is certainly not my call. I think the archive is a great asset to BOC fans in general, not just in our group. But, then, perhaps based on recent discussions these files are in fact "illegal" (at least the way the current copyright laws are written) -- have we actually determined that fact? I guess if they are clearly in violation of existing copyright violations, then perhaps Steve is right. However, if it is NOT clear that they are in violation, I believe they should stay open. This fucking sucks (yeah, come and get me Bill Clinton), John From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Thu Feb 15 16:32:29 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:32:29 -0600 Subject: HW: Griffin releases In-Reply-To: cjohnson "Re: HW: Griffin releases" (Feb 14, 4:44pm) Message-ID: cjohnson wrote: > Courtesy of Mike Coleman at Delta Wave, I picked up my GRIFFIN copy > of "Strange Trips.." back in early December, and I got my GRIFFIN > copy of Simon's "Yassassim" in mid-January - at domestic prices! > > However, I have yet to see another Griffin copy of either one... I just picked up a few CDs at Tower Records. I got Hawkwind's "Space Is Deep" (on Receiver Records), "Yassassim" with the gate-fold packaging (on Emergency Broadcast), and Zero Gravity's "Space Does Not Care" (on Hypnotic). All of them where in the $14 to $16 range. I don't know how it is in other places, but the Chicago Tower stores seem to be pretty good about getting the Griffin and Cleopatra releases in. I was also able to pick up the Anubian Lights "Jackal and Nine" EP for $9 at Rolling Stone Records. Overall, it's been a pretty good two weeks for finding music. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (708) 576-3110 | fax: (708) 576-3240 Andre Vandapole has four silver medals in cyclocross, and none of them gold. -- Phil Liggott, Channel 4 TV From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Feb 15 16:48:37 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:48:37 +1100 Subject: Sonic A Message-ID: On 14 Feb 96 Bill Stewart wrote about Re: Sonic A: > >wonder what The Wizard Blew His Horn would sound like in Japanese (or > >something of the sort)? > > We may find out. i've heard there is a Japanese promoter looking to book > Nikwind and various other bands of this ilk for a rave/festival sort of thing > in early spring. i spoke to some pressurehed guys a while back and they > confirmed it seems like a serious deal. > Anyone hear of this? No, but Brian Tawn mentioned in a letter mid '95 that HW where *thinking* of touring Japan 'one day' Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Feb 15 16:48:37 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:48:37 +1100 Subject: HW: Griffin releases Message-ID: On 14 Feb 96 Stephen Lindsey wrote about HW: Griffin releases: > Something about Doug looking around for other offers (other than Griffin) > and presumably looking, and looking, and.... Hmmm ..... perhaps I shouldn't be quite so cencientious persuing Doug's request that I find an Australian distributor .... I may be asking for a lot of stress and dissapointment! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Feb 15 16:48:37 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:48:37 +1100 Subject: OFF: The Aliens Are Coming Message-ID: On 14 Feb 96 J Strobridge wrote about Re: OFF: The Aliens Are Coming: > NB - WARNING this really *is* off topic And this is even more so ..... I was driving behind a Nissan Patrol today, it's number plate and '4wd' badge where side by side ..... A L I E N 4wd ;^) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 15 17:22:29 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:22:29 -0500 Subject: Bad Astronomy on ...Imaginos? Message-ID: Thumbs up. R. BTW, my preferred Astronomy order: 1) SEE 2) ST 3) I All are wonderful. Some are more wonderful than others... From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Feb 15 17:39:09 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:39:09 -0500 Subject: Copyright News In-Reply-To: <199602152125.QAA02904@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Feb 15, 96 04:25:26 pm Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > be some of that going on), but if someone sits down and figures out the > chords to a song, or the lead line and figures out how to play it on > a guitar and writes it down, it hardly seems like a copyright violation. It may not seem like a copyright violation, but it is. Nobody ever said copyright law had to be nice, did they? :-) > Certainly if this person verbally tells another person how to play it, > no violation is committed. Certainly?? I'd think again about that, if I were you (for your own legal sake). > can access be a violation? Sheez if I tell you the chords to "(Don't > Fear) The Reaper" are Am - G - F (well, actually they're playing Bm - A - > G in concert these days I think - Buck using a capo), what's the big > deal? The deal is that the copyright to the composition "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" is owned by someone, and that copyright includes publishing it. If you don't obtain permission from the owner, legally you are in violation of their copyright. By your same analogy, there is no difference between a photocopy of a book and a copy produced by having someone dictate it to you whilst you type it in. I'm not saying I agree with current copyright legislation, but ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law, so I thought I'd point these things out. > asset to BOC fans in general, not just in our group. But, then, perhaps > based on recent discussions these files are in fact "illegal" (at least > the way the current copyright laws are written) -- have we actually > determined that fact? I guess if they are clearly in violation of > existing copyright violations, then perhaps Steve is right. However, > if it is NOT clear that they are in violation, I believe they should > stay open. They are clearly in violation, since express permission to reproduce them was not obtained from the copyright holder. > This fucking sucks (yeah, come and get me Bill Clinton), I agree. It is somewhat troubling from where we stand. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Lonely Bears, _Injustice_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 15 17:37:45 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:37:45 EST Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: > Steve adds: > > >I've been kind of anticipating a big legal crackdown ever since the > 'net hit the big time. I think the best way to keep the right to > maintain archives at all is to do it as a low profile operation. This > is a private discussion list; I think the archive should be taken off > the web, and its existence should remain unadvertised outside of this > forum. If we keep a low profile, and don't broadcast the availability > of this stuff all over the net, then nobody will take any notice of > our little fans-only lyrics project. > > > I'm not the moderator, or responsible for the archives, but I would > think that this would be somewhat of a shame to do. I'd rather see > everyone download what they want from the archive and then keep the > archive up and running until someone were to ask us to shut it down. > Again, this is certainly not my call. I think the archive is a great > asset to BOC fans in general, not just in our group. But, then, perhaps > based on recent discussions these files are in fact "illegal" (at least > the way the current copyright laws are written) -- have we actually > determined that fact? I guess if they are clearly in violation of > existing copyright violations, then perhaps Steve is right. However, > if it is NOT clear that they are in violation, I believe they should > stay open. > > This fucking sucks (yeah, come and get me Bill Clinton), > > John John, What makes all this so fucking frustrating (I'm waitin' for ya, Tipper) is that if the band wants it's stuff protected, or wants income from it, why don't they release some 'official' printed music for us. This is just like live bootlegs: we'd buy the stuff if it were available. It's like we're penalized for trying to learn the band's songs, out of respect and admiration for the band. Like we're going to use TAB to figure out BOC songs, then make records of them ourselves, which the whole world will buy and deprive the artists of their product! There aren't any books 'cause no one would take a chance publishing them. All the worse, as now there's a glut of note- for-note books about bands like Poison or Warrant. When BOC WAS popular, such books just didn't happen--now it's too late... theo From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Feb 15 17:58:50 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:58:50 -0500 Subject: Vote on Astronomy/Like v. Dislike Message-ID: On 14-FEB-1996 20:18:30.0 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >AB says: however be aware some people just don't care to >explain their likes and dislikes to the same depths. >However, be aware: many people just care to hit the delete button. >C-ya! Why be so damn rude?? I don't think that Ben's introduction to this list said: "It is required that you state your opiniuons and your reasons for them." Some people don't post at all. If someone wants to post "good" or "bad" (while I agree that it's more interesting to know why) then leave it be. I know some people who just CAN'T explain why - it's not in their vocabulary or understanding. There will always be a certain faction of people who will be able to elaborate and those who won't... I think there's enough people who can post "why" so that someone can get a good idea of what something sounds like. We need a little more tolerance here. Chuck `[1;31;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Feb 15 17:58:41 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:58:41 -0500 Subject: Club Ninja Message-ID: On 14-FEB-1996 09:02:37.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >14 Feb 1996 13:32 +0000 (GMT) >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 13:32:56 +0000 >From: "Carl E. Anderson" >Subject: Re: Club Ninja >In-reply-to: <960213234911_101612.172_JHP105-2 at CompuServe.COM> >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Message-id: >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] >Content-type: text >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >However, I'm also one of the wackos who liked the "Bad Channels" >songs, silly lyrics and all. The new material they have is really not But damn good lyrics compared to...oh...I dunno..."Old Lady Polka"?? Chuck `[1;35;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Feb 15 18:32:00 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:32:00 -0500 Subject: [off] Music of Erich Zahn??? was Re: OFF: Discussing music Message-ID: On 15-FEB-1996 11:33:12.2 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Paul Mather wrote: >> I can easily accept that someone could *genuinely believe* that, say, >> Mekong Delta's _The Music of Erich Zann_ is pure, unmusical, crap. >> For them it *is*. But whether I believe it, or accept it to be valid >> *for me*, is another matter. I decide. For me, it isn't. We are all >> happy, despite there now being two "truths" regarding that album >> (unless the other person also believes that all Mekong Delta fans >> should be systematically liquidated:). :-) >Being an HPL fan, I'm naturally curious about this Erich Zahn band. >Could someone provide some more info on them? >Allan. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ A technical metal/thrash band from...Sweden, I think. I have only three of their releases: Mekong Delta, The Music of EZ and Live At An Exhibition. They do a good job of covering Mussorgsky and have some really good tunes; they're strange, but metal, so I don't know if that's up your alley. Paul should be able to give you more info on 'em. Chuck `[1;32;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Feb 15 18:55:26 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:55:26 -0500 Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-15 16:37:20 EST, you write: >This fucking sucks (yeah, come and get me Bill Clinton), > >John I agree... I used the ftp Nevada site quite often, and benefitted from having all this tablature online...I got tabs for my friends and I learned alot of songs from having Internet access...now the Internet is going down the tubes and we are gonna have stiffs tellin us what we can put online and what can't be put online...this pisses me off... ROBO From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Feb 15 19:10:35 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:10:35 -0500 Subject: [off] Music of Erich Zahn??? was Re: OFF: Discussing music Message-ID: On 15-FEB-1996 18:51:50.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >On 15-FEB-1996 11:33:12.2 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >>On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Paul Mather wrote: >>> I can easily accept that someone could *genuinely believe* that, say, >>> Mekong Delta's _The Music of Erich Zann_ is pure, unmusical, crap. >>> For them it *is*. But whether I believe it, or accept it to be valid >>> *for me*, is another matter. I decide. For me, it isn't. We are >all >> happy, despite there now being two "truths" regarding that album >>> (unless the other person also believes that all Mekong Delta fans >>> should be systematically liquidated:). :-) >>Being an HPL fan, I'm naturally curious about this Erich Zahn band. >>Could someone provide some more info on them? >>Allan. >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >A technical metal/thrash band from...Sweden, I think. I have only three Perhaps I should have used the term "progressive" instead of technical here... As long as you get the point. >of their releases: Mekong Delta, The Music of EZ and Live At An >Exhibition. They do a good job of covering >Mussorgsky and have some really good tunes; they're >strange, but metal, so I don't know if that's up your alley. Paul >should be able to give you more info on 'em. >Chuck >`[1;32;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive I also should have mentioned that the lyrics (as far as I know) don't have many, if any, Lovecraft references. But for an excellent metal band that does, you might wanna check out Manilla Road. Any one ever heard of them? Chuck `[1;33;47mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Thu Feb 15 19:48:13 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:48:13 -0800 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: >> However, my friends and I used to have a running joke about >>"proper rock intonation" as appears in this song. (Tox, if he still lurks >>on this list, may recall it). >> With thunderous riffing behind him, Eric sings: >> "My boat left New Orleans ..." (he builds to the lyrical >>climax ...) >> "... IN 1829!!" >> >> Woah! we all think. Rockin'! > >Oh YEAH ! let's rock... > >> Then: Wait? "My boat left New Orleans in 1829?" What the _hell_ >>are we doing head-banging to that? What's going on here? Why should >>we care? ;) > >Does sound kind of stupid if you take it out of context. You got a point there. > >> But still, you've got to admit, that even when you sing something >>completely bizarre like that with the appropriate phrasing and with the >>appropriate instrumental arrangement it _does_ get the old adrenilin >>pumping! :) > >True enough. In fact, that precise excerpt of the song is probably >the part of it I like the most :-) > >Thanks for sharing that one with us. What and would you rather BOC's lyrics consisted of the usual "yeah, yeah baby" type? Or perhaps the angry-young-man bit that is so popular these days? Lyrics have always been one of BOC's strong points, IMO.. In Imaginos, a story is being told.. Part of the story is set in the 1800's.. I don't understand your objection to the lyric. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish and Gentlemen, | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| here's my angled dream.." |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Thu Feb 15 19:49:02 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:49:02 -0800 Subject: hejsan Message-ID: At 12:14 AM 2/15/96 +0100, you wrote: >Hi! >I=B4m a new subscriber of this mailing-list, and I just want to know if I= =B4m the >only Swede in th Blue Cyber Cult space...or-whatever-you-call-it. >Om Bolle l=E4ser det h=E4r s=E5 har jag inte gl=F6mt ditt ursprung! > > -Daniel Wikdahl >Daniel Wikdahl >Kaptensgatan 2a >392 36 KALMAR >0480-245 11 Well, you may be the only one posting from Sweden, but you're not the only Swede. I'm pure Swede but was born in the U.S. I have many relatives over there though.. Don't read, write or speak a word of the language though. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish and Gentlemen, | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| here's my angled= dream.." |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Thu Feb 15 20:33:52 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:33:52 -0800 Subject: Bad Astronomy on ...Imaginos? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Richard Lockwood wrote: > >> > ...and am I the only one who still doesn't like the remake of > > >> "Astronomy" on _Imaginos_? > > >Well, as this seems to be turning into a vote, let me just give a big > >thumbs up for the Imaginos version of Astronomy. > > And me. Thumbs up. > > Cheers, > > Rich. > > ** The trouble is these days you never see a dog on the pitch ** > And myself, also! - Passserby From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Thu Feb 15 21:17:31 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:17:31 -0800 Subject: Bad Astronomy on ...Imaginos? Message-ID: At 05:33 PM 2/15/96 -0800, you wrote: >On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Richard Lockwood wrote: > >> >> > ...and am I the only one who still doesn't like the remake of > >> >> "Astronomy" on _Imaginos_? >> >> >Well, as this seems to be turning into a vote, let me just give a big >> >thumbs up for the Imaginos version of Astronomy. >> >> And me. Thumbs up. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Rich. >> >> ** The trouble is these days you never see a dog on the pitch ** >> >And myself, also! The Imaginos version of "Astronomy" left me cold at first.. Till I heard the Imaginos version of "The Subhuman" (or "Blue Oyster Cult"). Then I saw how the new, smoother "Astronomy" sort of fits in with the other remake on the album. I now like both equally well. As far as the song, "Blue Oyster Cult", I think its better than the original in many ways. It is by far my favorite tune on the CD. The fade out at the end, after the "Blue Oyster Cult (We understand, we understand)" chorus is so haunting that it gives me a chill to hear it. I also like the spoken part of the song.. Spooky stuff... I always turn it off after that song to avoid being brought down by the song "Imaginos" which I find to be the only sour note on the album. Btw, anyone know who sang the original "The Subhuman" on ST? I always thought it was Joe (I seem to remember that from live shows when Joe was still around..) but I can't be sure.. Al? _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM Thu Feb 15 22:05:02 1996 From: 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 22:05:02 EST Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: >>> However, my friends and I used to have a running joke about >>>"proper rock intonation" as appears in this song. (Tox, if he still lurks >>>on this list, may recall it). >>> With thunderous riffing behind him, Eric sings: >>> "My boat left New Orleans ..." (he builds to the lyrical >>>climax ...) >>> "... IN 1829!!" >>> >>> Woah! we all think. Rockin'! >> >>Oh YEAH ! let's rock... >> >>> Then: Wait? "My boat left New Orleans in 1829?" What the _hell_ >>>are we doing head-banging to that? What's going on here? Why should >>>we care? ;) >> >>Does sound kind of stupid if you take it out of context. You got a point there. >> >>> But still, you've got to admit, that even when you sing something >>>completely bizarre like that with the appropriate phrasing and with the >>>appropriate instrumental arrangement it _does_ get the old adrenilin >>>pumping! :) >> >>True enough. In fact, that precise excerpt of the song is probably >>the part of it I like the most :-) >> >>Thanks for sharing that one with us. > > >What and would you rather BOC's lyrics consisted of the usual "yeah, yeah >baby" type? Or perhaps the angry-young-man bit that is so popular these >days? Lyrics have always been one of BOC's strong points, IMO.. In Imaginos, >a story is being told.. Part of the story is set in the 1800's.. I don't >understand your objection to the lyric. I agree that BOC's lyrics have always been one of the band's strong points, but what we were discussing here was taking a sentence out of context. Think about it : "My boat left New Orleans in 1829". If you take just that line, without taking notice of what's around, of the rest of the storyline, well... really, who cares that the boat left New Orleans in 1829 ? I think that the "morale" behind this is just that you can give so much power to an apparently meaningless phrase just by using the "proper rock intonation"... So you see, there was no objection intended there, just a try at analyzing what made the strength of the song (talking about giving in-depth explanations ;)... or at least, that's how I understood Carl's words - even if they were in the form of a joke :-) Alex. From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Thu Feb 15 23:49:38 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:49:38 -0800 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: At 10:05 PM 2/15/96 EST, you wrote: >>What and would you rather BOC's lyrics consisted of the usual "yeah, yeah >>baby" type? Or perhaps the angry-young-man bit that is so popular these >>days? Lyrics have always been one of BOC's strong points, IMO.. In Imaginos, >>a story is being told.. Part of the story is set in the 1800's.. I don't >>understand your objection to the lyric. > >I agree that BOC's lyrics have always been one of the band's strong points, >but what we were discussing here was taking a sentence out of context. >Think about it : "My boat left New Orleans in 1829". If you take just that >line, without taking notice of what's around, of the rest of the storyline, >well... Ok.. But I still don't understand why that lyric in particular strikes you that way. I mean, the same could be said for nearly any lyric if taken out of context. >really, who cares that the boat left New Orleans in 1829 ? I think that >the "morale" behind this is just that you can give so much power to >an apparently meaningless phrase just by using the "proper rock >intonation"... I begin to understand.. The phrase, meaningless when taken out of context, still has power because of the tone, inflection.. "proper rock intonation", whatever.. You know, you've got something there.. I guess I've always *known* it but never really thought about it. That must be part of the 'gut reaction' that we speak of.. I know that certain songs (by any band), though the lyrics really have no connection with anything in my own life, can cause a mood or remembrance.. even sadness or longing.. Maybe this is the same as imparting a feeling of excitement in rock music with tone and inflection alone.. Then again.. Maybe I just have way too much free time on my hands.. :> > So you see, there was no objection intended there, just a try at >analyzing what made the strength of the song (talking about giving >in-depth explanations ;)... or at least, that's how I understood Carl's >words - even if they were in the form of a joke :-) Understood.. If you've ever listened to a band called Phish - most of their lyrics make no sense what-so-ever, but still can have a powerful effect.. perhaps because of 'proper rock intonation'? _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 04:40:32 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:40:32 GMT Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: Theo wrote: > What makes all this so fucking frustrating (I'm waitin' for ya, > Tipper) is that if the band wants it's stuff protected, or wants > income from it, why don't they release some 'official' printed music > for us. This is just like live bootlegs: we'd buy the stuff if it > were available. It's like we're penalized for trying to learn the > band's songs, out of respect and admiration for the band. Like we're > going to use TAB to figure out BOC songs, then make records of them > ourselves, which the whole world will buy and deprive the artists of > their product! There aren't any books 'cause no one would take a > chance publishing them. All the worse, as now there's a glut of note- > for-note books about bands like Poison or Warrant. When BOC WAS > popular, such books just didn't happen--now it's too late... I've got to agree 100 per cent here. The whole issue is so confused but what it seems to come down to is big business protecting it's interests, not now but ahead of THEIR commercialisation of *the 'net*. If they allow OLGA and other on-line sources now whilst access to them is relatively restricted they will be setting a precedent. When they finally manage to hook up middle-America (and I don't believe they give a flying fuck about the rest of the planet) they will want to SELL services like tab repositories to Joe and Josephine Six-Pack. Can't do that if we're already giving it away can they. In fact I think this argument is fallacious (prostitution exists despite most people doing it for free :-). Seriously though if I take the time to learn *Hurry on Sundown* then go and play it in a pub without paying royalties I'm clearly breaking the law. If I *publish* the tab the same applies, but what if as a result of either of these activities someone goes out and buys a few HW albums? The band benefits, their record company and publishers benefit. If I'd had to pay for the right to use the copyright I wouldn't have bothered so that person wouldn't then be buying HW albums. As for swearing on the 'net.... despite what U.S. politicians believe, the 'net is bigger than America and if they go on being stupid, insular and backwards looking the rest of us will just have to route around you. Maybe you could elect that idiot Buchannan (sp ?) then as the rest of us go into the 21st Century the U.S. could go backwards into the 13th.... Chris From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 05:26:14 1996 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:26:14 +0000 Subject: Bad Astronomy on ...Imaginos? Message-ID: A vote on Astronomy? Well I gotta give my vote 2 the SEE version, I like the other but... Anyway the guys at my local club seem to like it, I tend to put it on with a load of other obscure/mellow stuff at the beginning B4 anyone turns up. And you know what? People are beginning to come earlier and earlier. I I I ---- 0 ---- I - I -- From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 06:23:33 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:23:33 GMT Subject: Copyright News In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:12:41 -0500 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > Rob Maerz writes: > > > > well, I was not able to get in contact with Bolle via telly...but I noticed > > that the ftp Nevada Online Guitar Archive has been shutdown "until legal > > issues are resolved"... > > There used to be an e-mail lyrics server operating, several years ago. > It closed down due to legal problems. > > I've been kind of anticipating a big legal crackdown ever since the > 'net hit the big time. I think the best way to keep the right to > maintain archives at all is to do it as a low profile operation. This > is a private discussion list; I think the archive should be taken off > the web, and its existence should remain unadvertised outside of this > forum. If we keep a low profile, and don't broadcast the availability > of this stuff all over the net, then nobody will take any notice of > our little fans-only lyrics project. > > That's my suggestion, anyway. I'd go along with Steve on this one. Certainly with the Hawkwind lyrics, the band are aware that we have such an archive and even wrote for a copy. The only problems we've really had are when lyrics were available via the Web. I doubt anyone cares if a few fans argue about lyrics and pass 'em around amongst themselves. At one level it's the sort of enthusiasm that might bring the record companies some profits. At the other level they worry about losing profits because something they have bought rights to has become freely available. > Steve FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 07:27:10 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:27:10 +0000 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: <199602160048.QAA06443@ns.connectnet.com> from "Joseph Brooks" at Feb 15, 96 04:48:13 pm Message-ID: > >> However, my friends and I used to have a running joke about > >>"proper rock intonation" as appears in this song. (Tox, if he still lurks > >>on this list, may recall it). > >> With thunderous riffing behind him, Eric sings: > >> "My boat left New Orleans ..." (he builds to the lyrical > >>climax ...) > >> "... IN 1829!!" > >> > >> Woah! we all think. Rockin'! > > > >> Then: Wait? "My boat left New Orleans in 1829?" What the _hell_ > >>are we doing head-banging to that? What's going on here? Why should > >>we care? ;) > >> But still, you've got to admit, that even when you sing something > >>completely bizarre like that with the appropriate phrasing and with the > >>appropriate instrumental arrangement it _does_ get the old adrenilin > >>pumping! :) > > What and would you rather BOC's lyrics consisted of the usual "yeah, yeah > baby" type? Or perhaps the angry-young-man bit that is so popular these > days? Lyrics have always been one of BOC's strong points, IMO.. In Imaginos, > a story is being told.. Part of the story is set in the 1800's.. I don't > understand your objection to the lyric. That's understandable since, in fact, I _wasn't_ "objecting" to the lyric. I was merely making an observation on the musical presentation. I was actually _highlighting_ the significance of the story here. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 07:42:33 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:42:33 +0000 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: <199602160449.UAA15522@ns.connectnet.com> from "Joseph Brooks" at Feb 15, 96 08:49:38 pm Message-ID: > >really, who cares that the boat left New Orleans in 1829 ? I think that > >the "morale" behind this is just that you can give so much power to > >an apparently meaningless phrase just by using the "proper rock > >intonation"... > > I begin to understand.. The phrase, meaningless when taken out of context, > still has power because of the tone, inflection.. "proper rock intonation", > whatever.. You know, you've got something there.. I guess I've always > *known* it but never really thought about it. > That must be part of the 'gut reaction' that we speak of.. I know that > certain songs (by any band), though the lyrics really have no connection > with anything in my own life, can cause a mood or remembrance.. even sadness > or longing.. Maybe this is the same as imparting a feeling of excitement in > rock music with tone and inflection alone.. Exactly. The tone, the vocal phrasing here turns a wholly mundane phrase ("My boat left new Orleans in 1829") into a match for the instrumental intensity behind it. And it works great until you get a group of cynical (and easily amused ;) rock fans picking apart. Then you'll find us sitting around and parodying it with other equally mundane attempts and lines: "My boat left New Orleans ... IN EIGHTEEN-TWENTY NINE!" "My overstuffed chair ... IS VERY COMFORTABLE!" "At breakfast this morning ... I HAD TOAST AND JAM!" "People there were killed ... BY THEIR VICHY-SOISSE!" (Sorry about that last one ... couldn't resist ;) > Then again.. Maybe I just have way too much free time on my hands.. :> Then maybe if none of us did, we wouldn't be here ;) > Understood.. If you've ever listened to a band called Phish - most of their > lyrics make no sense what-so-ever, but still can have a powerful effect.. > perhaps because of 'proper rock intonation'? "What ever you do ... TAKE CARE OF YOUR SHOES!" Cheers, Carl ObPhish/BOCLink: somewhere amongst my belongings in the States is a tape of Phish doing the vocal jam out of YEM based on the middle section of Godzilla ... From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 07:51:07 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:51:07 +0000 Subject: Vote on Astronomy/Like v. Dislike In-Reply-To: <01I191WFYK2G9FOLBR@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Feb 15, 96 05:58:50 pm Message-ID: > >AB says: however be aware some people just don't care to > >explain their likes and dislikes to the same depths. > >However, be aware: many people just care to hit the delete button. > >C-ya! > > Why be so damn rude?? > I don't think that Ben's introduction to this list > said: "It is required that you state your opiniuons and your reasons for > them." Some people don't post at all. If someone wants to post "good" or > "bad" (while I agree that it's more interesting to know why) then leave it > be. I know some people who just CAN'T explain why - it's not in their > vocabulary or understanding. There will always be a certain faction of > people who will be able to elaborate and those who won't... I think there's > enough people who can post "why" so that someone can get a good idea of what > something sounds like. We need a little more tolerance here. Change down, man ... Find your neutral space ... ;) I don't think rudeness was intended here. For that matter, on some subject threads _I_ just hit the delete button, though on others I dive in with no shortage of posting (the value of which is, admittedly, debatable ;) As Pippi Longstocking says: A:r det inte ett fritt land? (Is it not a free country?) But while, sure, it's nice to have a tally of people all sending a message to say they do or don't like something and little else, well personally I'd rather that kind of voting be done in the traditional BOC-L manner: a list wide poll wherein one person tallys the votes and posts the results to the list. I might read something that does elaborate, since it can expand my own perceptions. But tally-threads will probably hit my delete key as well. No condemnation of non-elaborative threads, or peoples tastes in coffee, or whatever--it's just that I haven't got *that* much free time on my hands ... Cheers, Carl From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 16 08:04:58 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:04:58 EST Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: > > What and would you rather BOC's lyrics consisted of the usual "yeah, yeah > baby" type? Or perhaps the angry-young-man bit that is so popular these > days? Lyrics have always been one of BOC's strong points, IMO.. In Imaginos, > a story is being told.. Part of the story is set in the 1800's.. I don't > understand your objection to the lyric. > _ > | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish and > Gentlemen, > | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| here's my angled dream.." > |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! I remember an ancient interview with EB and they asked about BOC's lyrics. He said, 'hey, it's an alternative to 'I got da blues.' He also said: 'we don't sing no love songs.' That was very early in the band's career, of course. But yeah, JB, BOC is lyrically light years ahead of other bands, always has been. For one thing, they don't rely upon trite rhyme schemes. In fact, on the first 3 albums, none of the lyrics employ end rhyme. It's one of the things that instantly attracted me to the band... theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 16 08:23:41 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:23:41 -0500 Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: Paul comments on my comment: > can access be a violation? Sheez if I tell you the chords to "(Don't > Fear) The Reaper" are Am - G - F (well, actually they're playing Bm - A - > G in concert these days I think - Buck using a capo), what's the big > deal? The deal is that the copyright to the composition "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" is owned by someone, and that copyright includes publishing it. If you don't obtain permission from the owner, legally you are in violation of their copyright. By your same analogy, there is no difference between a photocopy of a book and a copy produced by having someone dictate it to you whilst you type it in. I'm not saying I agree with current copyright legislation, but ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law, so I thought I'd point these things out. Thanks Paul - hope they don't nab me for putting down Reaper's chords here! :-0 It's interesting that writing it down could be a copyright violation, but hey, if you've got a really great memory (some claim to have "photographic memory), well . . . Me, I treat paper (and disk space) like places to hold the extra stuff that won't fit in my brain. Maybe I have a problem with all this because I see these copyright laws more as designed (at least as far as most music goes) rights of the recording industry - certainly not the public, and not (usually anyway) the artist. The recording industry has all the money (that they got from overcharging the public and underpaying the artists) to hire lawyer (oops lawyers) to look out for their best interests as far as these laws are concerned. How about laws that deal with the rights of the artists - remember them? - the one's that *created* this music that's making the industry rich? How about the public? Why, do you realize, for example, that the costs for the recording industry to produce a CD or a cassette these days are just about the same? Yet how much more do you pay for a release on CD as oppossed to a cassette? How about when a record company teases you with "unreleased" tracks so that you buy their double CD which is 95% material that you've already paid for from the record company? Where's laws to protect us against that? Well, I'm starting to rant again, and I promised myself that I wouldn't. I'm going to go have a cup of coffee and calm down now . . . John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 16 08:20:32 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:20:32 EST Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: > In fact I think this argument is fallacious (prostitution exists despite > most people doing it for free :-). Seriously though if I take the time to > learn *Hurry on Sundown* then go and play it in a pub without paying > royalties I'm clearly breaking the law. If I *publish* the tab the same Don't know the setup in the UK, but here, bars pay licensing fees to BMI and ASCAP, the two bodies who govern music publication in the US. I have no idea how they keep track of it, but it basically lets local cover bands off the hook. So when I play live music that I figured out, I'm not breaking any law. Publishing such arrangements is another matter. > As for swearing on the 'net.... despite what U.S. politicians believe, > the 'net is bigger than America and if they go on being stupid, insular > and backwards looking the rest of us will just have to route around you. > Maybe you could elect that idiot Buchannan (sp ?) then as the rest of > us go into the 21st Century the U.S. could go backwards into the 13th.... > > > Chris In some ways, it'd be good if we elected an asshle like Buchanan. Maybe after we realized what a mistake it was, it would help people trun their backs on conservatism theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 16 08:42:18 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:42:18 -0500 Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: Chris writes, with a few comments from me: >prostitution exists despite most people doing it for free :-). Reminds me of a line George Carlin used on one of his albums: "Selling's legal. Fucking's legal. Why isn't selling fucking legal?" >Seriously though if I take the time to learn *Hurry on Sundown* then go and play it in a pub without paying royalties I'm clearly breaking the law. Actually, I'm very ignorant on this. Are bands suppossed to pay royalties when they cover other artist's songs? Just to stretch this a little, what defines "playing in public"? If a band has to pay royalties for playing a song in a pub, do they have to pay royalties if their friends show up and listen to one of their rehearsals? Can someone clue me in on how this works? >If I *publish* the tab the same applies, but what if as a result of either of these activities someone goes out and buys a few HW albums? The band benefits, their record company and publishers benefit. If I'd had to pay for the right to use the copyright I wouldn't have bothered so that person wouldn't then be buying HW albums. I agree 100%. These people are so concerned about "protecting their rights" that they don't realize the benefits that they might get from being able to access this stuff. Someone who sees the lyrics to *Imaginos* might think the story is pretty cool and go out and buy the album. This is a clear case (to me anyway) of free advertising. I'm not saying we should get royalties from the record company for promoting their stuff (but compared to the current copyright laws, maybe it's not so ridiculous), but I think they are very short-sighted in this area. >Maybe you could elect that idiot Buchannan Ooh, I should stay away from political discussions but I'm only going to say that IMHO, none of the major candidates will make a great change in the way our Government operates. I really believe we need a third political party so that everything in our Gov't isn't an US vs. THEM battle. Everything these days is too partisan - and they spend more time bitching at each other while the people they're suppossed to serve suffer. John From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 08:53:26 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:53:26 GMT Subject: OffTopic: US politics In-Reply-To: John A Swartz's message of Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:42:18 -0500 Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > >Maybe you could elect that idiot Buchannan > > Ooh, I should stay away from political discussions but I'm only going to > say that IMHO, none of the major candidates will make a great change in > the way our Government operates. I really believe we need a third > political party so that everything in our Gov't isn't an US vs. THEM > battle. Everything these days is too partisan - and they spend more > time bitching at each other while the people they're suppossed to serve > suffer. I've heard good things about Harry Browne :-) Anyway, my name's Mike and I'm a politics junkie. If I can't get it at home, I'll get it elsewhere. I'd like to follow the minutae of the US Primaries and Presidential elections. Does anyone know of a website that has detail and good commentary whereby I might do this? > John FoFP From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Fri Feb 16 09:03:38 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 06:03:38 -0800 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: At 12:42 PM 2/16/96 +0000, you wrote: >> Understood.. If you've ever listened to a band called Phish - most of their >> lyrics make no sense what-so-ever, but still can have a powerful effect.. >> perhaps because of 'proper rock intonation'? > > "What ever you do ... TAKE CARE OF YOUR SHOES!" > >Cheers, >Carl > >ObPhish/BOCLink: somewhere amongst my belongings in the States is a > tape of Phish doing the vocal jam out of YEM based on the > middle section of Godzilla ... Heh.. I should've known.. Actually, I've said it here on the list before but for some reason I can't really explain, Phish sometimes quite reminds me of BOC.. On some of their more rock oriented tunes anyway. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 16 09:03:24 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:03:24 EST Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: > >Maybe you could elect that idiot Buchannan > > Ooh, I should stay away from political discussions but I'm only going to > say that IMHO, none of the major candidates will make a great change in > the way our Government operates. I really believe we need a third > political party so that everything in our Gov't isn't an US vs. THEM > battle. Everything these days is too partisan - and they spend more > time bitching at each other while the people they're suppossed to serve > suffer. > > John The worst thing about US politics (well, one of many, I guess) is the two-party system. I know in Belgium, which is about the size of New Jersey, they have seven political parties and near 100% voter participation. Here, we have two parties and, what 40%? Tells me something! theo From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Feb 16 09:16:09 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:16:09 -0500 Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: Of course, if Eric's diction were better, we wouldn't feel a need for BOC lyrics files in the first place :) There is a sort-of serious point here, which is that if you've bought an up-front legit copy of a recording of a song, then arguably you've a moral, if not legal, right to know what the words are - to know what you've bought, in effect. E.g., it's not a *secret* that the ship is called "Plutonia", because, hey, you can *hear* it... but I (for one) needed a lyric sheet first. "In the future", says Dr Stupid, "you'll be able to download a copy of the lyrics for free if you insert the CD in your computer." - Andy From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 09:23:30 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:23:30 +0000 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > >really, who cares that the boat left New Orleans in 1829 ? I think that > > >the "morale" behind this is just that you can give so much power to > > >an apparently meaningless phrase just by using the "proper rock > > >intonation"... Well now, referring to the lyric book I notice that there is in fact an exclamation mark after the line in question: "Oh my boat left New Orleans in 1829!" So apparently Sandy and Albert thought this line was pretty significant, and here we are calling it meaningless and mundane!! :) Seriously, it could be argued that actually the line is of significance, in that this marks a particular turning point in the story -- where Imaginos sets out from New Orleans to seek the Magna of Illusion. A similar situation occurs in the song Magna of Illusion, which twice includes the verse "Stories on land, storms at sea/'Tween 1892 and '93/When Grandad sailed for Mexico". The first time this occurs, the line acts as a climactic bridge into a short but fairly dramatic guitar solo. So, ladies, fish and gentlemen of the jury, I honourably submit that S.Pearlman and A.Bouchard did wilfully intend the act of venturing forth to obtain a magic mirror to represent a moment of dramatic intentions in the saga of Imaginos. Dave From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 16 09:27:25 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:27:25 EST Subject: OffTopic: US politics Message-ID: > > I've heard good things about Harry Browne :-) > > Anyway, my name's Mike and I'm a politics junkie. > > If I can't get it at home, I'll get it elsewhere. I'd like to follow the > minutae of the US Primaries and Presidential elections. Does anyone know > of a website that has detail and good commentary whereby I might do this? > Mike, That makes two of us. Fell free to contact me on the private side to talk politics: tojackso at hawk.syr.edu theo From brendah at MBAY.NET Fri Feb 16 09:27:37 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 06:27:37 -0800 Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > Actually, I'm very ignorant on this. Are bands suppossed to pay royalties > when they cover other artist's songs? Just to stretch this a little, > what defines "playing in public"? If a band has to pay royalties for > playing a song in a pub, do they have to pay royalties if their friends > show up and listen to one of their rehearsals? Can someone clue me in > on how this works? No; the venue pays an annual fee to ASCAP and BMI (which in turn pass along royalties to foreign licensing companies on a reciprocal basis) based upon their size and other factors. It makes no difference if the music is live or recorded. If you're not playing in public, you probably have to pay the performance fees yourself for each licensed work. (www.ascap.com). I don't think you have to pay for rehearsals if it's not a public performance. Brenda --- []]]]]]]] Brenda Holloway brendah at mbay.net [[[[[[[[] [[ ]]]]]] Sony New Technologies, Monterey, CA [[[[[[ ]] [[[ ]]]] http://www.sonysoft.com/brenda/ [[[[ ]]] [[[[ ]]] http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ [[[ ]]]] [[[[[ ] C Coder. C Coder Run. Run, Coder, Run. [ ]]]]] From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Feb 16 09:33:37 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:33:37 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin releases Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-15 08:36:37 EST, you write: >If we get enough we could hire Lemmy to do it. Lemmy will do it free:-) regards, Bill Stewart From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Fri Feb 16 09:37:37 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 06:37:37 -0800 Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: At 08:20 AM 2/16/96 EST, you wrote: >Don't know the setup in the UK, but here, bars pay licensing fees to >BMI and ASCAP, the two bodies who govern music publication in the US. > I have no idea how they keep track of it, but it basically lets >local cover bands off the hook. So when I play live music that I >figured out, I'm not breaking any law. Publishing such arrangements >is another matter. I wonder how it works when a band such as BOC plays someone elses music live? Obviously, if they cover a song on an album, they would pay.. But what about live? What about when a band covers a song spontaniously (sp?) as I've seen happen with some big name bands? How much of the royalties go to the orignal performer when a band covers a song and actually makes it their own.. such as Hendrix did with Dillan's "All Along the Watchtower"? You know, I can certainly understand a musician wanting to get paid when someone profits by playing their music.. But its too bad that redtape, lawyers and record company executives have to get in and muck up the works when the fans want to do things like post lyrics on web sites, not for any profit but for the enjoyment of the fans. Things like that only enhance the music.. hopefully causing more interest in the performer which in turn generates more revenue.. If someone were selling song books for instance, then that is a different story. Heck, if I were a 'big rock star'(tm) I'd release all my lyrics for my legions of fans to enjoy my music all the more.. I suppose some lawyer would then come and tell me... "You can't do that!" Uh oh.. I'm babbling again... _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Fri Feb 16 09:49:34 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:49:34 -0600 Subject: Copyright News In-Reply-To: <9602161123.aa08214@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Feb 1996, M Holmes wrote: > Stephen Swann writes: > > > Rob Maerz writes: > > > > > > well, I was not able to get in contact with Bolle via telly...but I noticed > > > that the ftp Nevada Online Guitar Archive has been shutdown "until legal > > > issues are resolved"... > > > > There used to be an e-mail lyrics server operating, several years ago. > > It closed down due to legal problems. > > > > I've been kind of anticipating a big legal crackdown ever since the > > 'net hit the big time. I think the best way to keep the right to > > maintain archives at all is to do it as a low profile operation. This > > is a private discussion list; I think the archive should be taken off > > the web, and its existence should remain unadvertised outside of this > > forum. If we keep a low profile, and don't broadcast the availability > > of this stuff all over the net, then nobody will take any notice of > > our little fans-only lyrics project. > > > > That's my suggestion, anyway. > > I'd go along with Steve on this one. Certainly with the Hawkwind lyrics, > the band are aware that we have such an archive and even wrote for a > copy. The only problems we've really had are when lyrics were available > via the Web. I doubt anyone cares if a few fans argue about lyrics and > pass 'em around amongst themselves. At one level it's the sort of > enthusiasm that might bring the record companies some profits. At the > other level they worry about losing profits because something they have > bought rights to has become freely available. > > > Steve > > FoFP > its probably time to fulfill our destiny... THE BLUE OYSTER CULT/ CHURCH OF HAWKWIND enter the temples though the means of the keepers of the forbidden knowledge (join us and seal your fate) the knowledge has been known to drive men crazy it is free to devoteees perusal but dare not any defiler enter these sacred halls(databank, whatever?) -now where is my monks robe i need to dust it off... -mike psyche alabama synod From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 09:48:33 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:48:33 +0000 Subject: PT TRANSMISSION # 19 (fwd) In-Reply-To: <9602121834.AA19613@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Craig Shipley wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Rainbow Dome Presents... > > > > The legendary .......... GONG > > with very special guests: Ozric Tentacles > > and Porcupine Tree > > Here & Now > > Star Sounds Orchestra (featuring Steve Schroyder > > from Tangerine Dream > > and Ash Ra Temple) > > Global > > Dr. Didg > > Glo (featuring Gilli Smyth + Steffy Sharpstrings) > > Mandragora > > Saddar Bazaar > > Moonboot Oz (featuring Gary + Kim from Magic > > Mushroom Band / Astralasia) > > > > Saturday 6th April 1996 > > The Pavilion, North Parade Rd, Bath > > Noon - Midnight > > > > Bar / Food / Stalls > > > > Price 15 GBP Advance > > > > Tickets available with No Booking Fee from: > > 5 The Old Stables, Kyre Park, Tenbury Wells, Worcestershire, WR15 8RW > > (Cheques / PO's to J.A. Smith - Please enclose a SAE) > > > > Credit Card Bookings: 01225 447770 > > > > INFORMATION HOTLINE: 01885 410509 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Being as I prefer the heavy stuff in the Hawkwind corpus, and don't know any of these bands' material, is this still worth going to? For the price looks incredible: but will I like the music? Anyone advise? Jazza /________________________________________________________\ | () | | Jon Jarrett () "What that boy needs is | | Pembroke College () a damn good haircut | | Cambridge CB2 1RF () and a spell in the | | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk () Army" | \___________________________()___________________________/ From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Feb 16 10:21:35 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:21:35 -0500 Subject: Bolle: don't hold back! Message-ID: >The reference to EB singing in Japanese is only the tip of the >iceberg of Levy's ignorance. At least they included some neat >memorabilia in WOtT. >theo True. But where did all that neat memorabilia come from?? R. Hint: From a truely TUBULAR dude...who SHOULD have been the writer of the liner notes... From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 10:29:50 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:29:50 +0000 Subject: BOC; I'd Like To, and other stuff In-Reply-To: <960209221146_317746395@mail06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Dear all, long time since I posted, so I'm going to have to do an AB style digest reply: probably keep me from running on so much anyway. Topics therefore: 1), I'd Like to See You in Black: well, having only heard it once, I could easily have condemned it too quickly, but it still strikes me as uninspired, especially compared to Harvest Moon, which is a top track and no mistake. Reasons for my opinions ( oh yes, I have heard and taken note ) are that while Harvest Moon is a lyrically and musically adventurous track that has several different moods in it, the way I heard it anyway ( which was live immediately before ILtSYiB ), the latter struck me as no more than a riff and a line over and over: now, okay, some damn good tunes have been written on not much else ( Silver Machine for one, although the lyrics there are kind of cool too ) but until I hear ILtSYiB without all the extra electricity of a live performance I can't say I saw much of a song behind Eric going bananas with the chorus... 2) Astronomy: I heard the SEE version first ( my first BOC tape! happy days, though not as happy as they will be when I get my last, or finally get CD )and I still like this best: I feel the slow falls in the soloes right down in the guts, and compared to it I don't think the ST version goes as far or as hard. It's not normal BOC output really, is it: only one I can think of like it is Last Days of May, although gaps in my knowledge may fail me here. Imaginos version by contrast is not the same song really, the atmosphere is totally changed, and I love it: gives the song a framework that it doesn't need in SEE because that's live and you expect a bit of playing about, but which the ST version doesn't have, and doesn't really fill in the gap with the soloes. So, my order would be SEE, Imaginos, ST. 3) A tBS version of `I am the One you warned me of' would, in my own unworthy opinion, kick so much ass it would leave a permanent stain on its own boot. I would pay lots to see this, although unfortunately not enough to get me to the USA to do so. My favourite Imaginos song, with Frost vocals? Mama buy me that... 4) John Swartz: I'm taking my head in my hands and offering it for you to kick here, but I don't agree with you on this point: music is good and bad, it's just that people don't always like the good stuff. I mean, sure, `good' is relative, i.e. good for what, but you've got to agree that a piece that took effort and skill to compose and play is better, intrinsically, than something jammed together in five minutes by a would-be-but-never-will punk band. You may not like it, but that's not the same. Otherwise there'd be no point in getting CDs: it sounds `better', but that just means you can hear the sound more clearly, yes? I've not met anyone yet who said,"Well I think it sounds better muffled and scratchy _actually_"... but as usual this is just my opinion, crafted after years to trying to defend Steely Dan to some very bored friends, so what do I know? Interested in your comments though. 5) Translated titles ( Andy Gilham's thread ): did you know that 'Le Rouge et le Noir' is the title of a famous book by Stendhal about life during the French Revolution? The name relates to the two political groups whose mobs ruled Paris at the time: like the Sharks and the Jets but bigtime... I've often wondered if this was being referred to in the song, esp. since Canada is 49.1% French anyway ( according to the referendum... ), and also since the line appears also in `Golden Age of Leather'. But if it was, I can't think what it would mean... 6) `proper rock intonation': this sounds a lot like Eliot's idea of the `objective correlative', a set of words which would convey exactly the same image to anyone who heard them. I don't think it's possible, even within one language, but he did and was quite prepared to sacrifice sense to the search for it. Never heard it applied to music before, but agree with the example. A crescendo on the word `eighteen-twenty-nine' has no business being such a gut-tugger: I'm a historian, and I don't find dates *that* exciting... but it works dunnit? Could this be something to do with natural frequencies of vibration, or sequences of major chords, or what? There must be some scientific reasons if all of BOC-L who've commented on this can all agree that the phrase is good, we never manage it on anything else! Anyway, I have been at the comp. for too long and written too much: catch you all some other time, hope this wasn't too much of a strain to read, haven't quite got the hang of digest style yet... Jazza /----------------------------------------------------------\ | "So, Penfold, what did you think of Popacatepetl?" | | "Er, not yet chief, but I will as soon as we | | get to the kitchen." | |==========================================================| |Jonathan Jarrett ( History ) | Ext. Tel. 01223 460728 | | ( Pembroke College, | Int. Tel. 39082 | | Cambridge CB2 1RF ) or | E-MAIL: | | 2 Selwyn Gardens (7), | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | Cambridge CB2 1NG. | | \__________________________________________________________/ From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 10:19:21 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:19:21 +0000 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Feb 1996, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > ahead of other bands, always has been. For one thing, they don't > rely upon trite rhyme schemes. In fact, on the first 3 albums, none > of the lyrics employ end rhyme. It's one of the things that > instantly attracted me to the band... > theo > This isn't correct. Glancing at the lyrics for the first album alone I see: "Screams in the night/Sirens delight/Heat broken glass/Satan's bred trash/Big city madness/Comfort my soul/Give me a home/Where I can grow" ...and so on, through the rest of that song. Some of the rhymes are direct rhymes and some half rhyme (sorry, I don't know what the technical term for this is). There are plenty of other rhyming songs too: "She heard someone say/ The other day" and "Her face changing now/A Guernsey cow" (She's as beautiful as a foot) Actually, some of the half-rhymes are better than the direct rhymes. Check out "ten" and "end" in tR&tB: "Frontenac Chateau, baby/I cross the frontier at ten/Got a whip in my hand, baby/And a girl or a husky/At leather's end" Flaming Telepaths, from ST, is a great example of some excellent direct and half-rhymes all mixed in together: Times/Mind/Pride/Lies & On fire/an iron To do/On you (these sound better when you actually read the entire lines) I could go on (and would, given half a chance) but I'll leave it there.... Dave From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 09:50:12 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:50:12 +0000 Subject: OFF: Rymdrock fra*n Sverige! In-Reply-To: <199602121913.OAA30505@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >the extremely rare second CD _Darker_ for the first few tracks, and it > >promises to be no disappointment either. > > There's a track on there called "Fireclown" that fits along perfectly alongside > BOC's "The Great Sun Jester".... _More_ Moorcock influenced spacerock? Or is the Fireclown ref. just coincidence? Jazza From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 11:04:45 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:04:45 GMT Subject: Copyright News In-Reply-To: Ted O. Jackson's message of Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:20:32 EST Message-ID: Ted O. Jackson writes: > In some ways, it'd be good if we elected an asshle like Buchanan. > Maybe after we realized what a mistake it was, it would help people > trun their backs on conservatism In 1979 some socialists thought that "We won't get proper socialism until capitalism is really buggered up" and also disliked their moderate leader James Callaghan (for much the same reason the same folks dislike their current leader Tony Blair). They therefore helped elect a (very) Conservative Margaret Thatcher. She was still in power ten years later, and her party is still in power today. Electing people just to stir things up can backfire. I dislike all the parties in the UK. You're lucky to have a Libertarian Party in the US. > theo FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 10:59:01 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:59:01 GMT Subject: Copyright News In-Reply-To: Ted O. Jackson's message of Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:03:24 EST Message-ID: Ted O. Jackson writes: > > >Maybe you could elect that idiot Buchannan > > > > Ooh, I should stay away from political discussions but I'm only going to > > say that IMHO, none of the major candidates will make a great change in > > the way our Government operates. I really believe we need a third > > political party so that everything in our Gov't isn't an US vs. THEM > > battle. Everything these days is too partisan - and they spend more > > time bitching at each other while the people they're suppossed to serve > > suffer. > > > > John > The worst thing about US politics (well, one of many, I guess) is the > two-party system. The Libertarians are *very* confident that they will again gain ballot access in all 50 States. I believe they hit 38 a couple of weeks back. > I know in Belgium, which is about the size of New > Jersey, they have seven political parties The reason for this in continental countries is that they operate a system based around proportional representation (i.e you get a number of representatives in proportion to the local or national popular vote) rather than a First Past the Post system as in the US and UK. The advantage is that it lets small parties achieve some representation. The disadvantages are various. Some systems effectively disengage politicians from any local constituency. Some extremist small parties gain representation that they wouldn't otherwise have. Decisions are still made by politicians in backroom deals. More parties mean more backroom deals. OTOH it may take a true majority to get legislation enacted. This can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on whether you believe that everything should have to get 51% of the public behind it to be law (some good ideas might never achieve this but would be OK under FPTP). > and near 100% voter > participation. Here, we have two parties and, what 40%? Tells me > something! You may be right about this. > theo FoFP From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Feb 16 11:13:21 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:13:21 -0500 Subject: BOC; I'd Like To, and other stuff Message-ID: Jazza (no relation to Jaz Mann, I hope :) said: >5) Translated titles ( Andy Gilham's thread ): did you know that 'Le >Rouge et le Noir' is the title of a famous book by Stendhal about life >during the French Revolution? Why do you think I said it had to be in French? :) Royale Canadienne, baby Une gendarmerie qui marche Rouge et noir Ce sont ses couleurs... Well, maybe not... >A crescendo on the word `eighteen-twenty-nine' has no >business being such a gut-tugger: I'm a historian, and I don't find >dates *that* exciting... but it works dunnit? It's what's technically referred to as a "good bit" :) - Andy From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Fri Feb 16 11:19:56 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:19:56 -0800 Subject: OffTopic: US politics Message-ID: >Anyway, my name's Mike and I'm a politics junkie. > >If I can't get it at home, I'll get it elsewhere. I'd like to follow the >minutae of the US Primaries and Presidential elections. Does anyone know >of a website that has detail and good commentary whereby I might do this? Hi, I'm Steve and I'm another politics junkie. There's a website maintained by CNN- the address is not handy at the moment, but a search for CNN should turn up something. That should be a start. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Feb 16 11:19:00 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:19:00 -0500 Subject: PT TRANSMISSION # 19 (fwd) In-Reply-To: from "Jon Jarrett" at Feb 16, 96 02:48:33 pm Message-ID: > > On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Craig Shipley wrote: > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Rainbow Dome Presents... > > > > > > The legendary .......... GONG > > > with very special guests: Ozric Tentacles > > > and Porcupine Tree > > > Here & Now > > > Star Sounds Orchestra (featuring Steve Schroyder > > > from Tangerine Dream > > > and Ash Ra Temple) > > > Global > > > Dr. Didg > > > Glo (featuring Gilli Smyth + Steffy Sharpstrings) > > > Mandragora > > > Saddar Bazaar > > > Moonboot Oz (featuring Gary + Kim from Magic > > > Mushroom Band / Astralasia) > > > > > > Saturday 6th April 1996 > > > The Pavilion, North Parade Rd, Bath > > > Noon - Midnight > > > > > > Bar / Food / Stalls > > > > > > Price 15 GBP Advance > > > > > > Tickets available with No Booking Fee from: > > > 5 The Old Stables, Kyre Park, Tenbury Wells, Worcestershire, WR15 8RW > > > (Cheques / PO's to J.A. Smith - Please enclose a SAE) > > > > > > Credit Card Bookings: 01225 447770 > > > > > > INFORMATION HOTLINE: 01885 410509 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Being as I prefer the heavy stuff in the Hawkwind corpus, and > don't know any of these bands' material, is this still worth going to? > For the price looks incredible: but will I like the music? Anyone advise? > Jazza > > /________________________________________________________\ > | () | > | Jon Jarrett () "What that boy needs is | > | Pembroke College () a damn good haircut | > | Cambridge CB2 1RF () and a spell in the | > | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk () Army" | > \___________________________()___________________________/ > Jon, Not just YES, but HELL YES!! The Ozrics are probably the most incredible instrumental band touring right now; their music is a mixture of Hawkwind, Gong (who is on the bill) and Steve Hillages' more spacey early stuff. Add a touch of mid-70's Tangerine dream and serve with various ethnic beats. Porcupine Tree is a must-see for any fan of early '70's Pink Floyd. Probably my next favorite band, after the Ozrics. Guitar predominates, with long spacey Dave Gilmour-ish solos. Vocals on a number of tracks, but the instrumentals are where the band shines. Star Sound Orchestra is a duo (last time I heard) of a syntthesist and a gong player. Music ranges from up-tempo "rocket-fuel" tunes to floating ambient tunes. Schroyder is probably the second most innovative ex-member of TD (after Chris Franke) currently recording. Didn't know that they toured! Can't comment on the rest of the bands, but Mandragora is reportedly very Ozric-ish. Should be a pretty psychedelic weekend! objCDPlayer: Lambert: Dimensions Of Dreams -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 11:34:44 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:34:44 +0000 Subject: BOC; I'd Like To, and other stuff In-Reply-To: <960216111320_323965950@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Feb 1996, Andy Gilham wrote: > Jazza (no relation to Jaz Mann, I hope :) said: > > >5) Translated titles ( Andy Gilham's thread ): did you know that 'Le > >Rouge et le Noir' is the title of a famous book by Stendhal about life > >during the French Revolution? > > Why do you think I said it had to be in French? :) > > Royale Canadienne, baby > Une gendarmerie qui marche > Rouge et noir > Ce sont ses couleurs... > Did you know that Eric Bloom once sang the entire set in French? Dave "Lying is my middle name" Hardman From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 11:46:50 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:46:50 GMT Subject: OffTopic: US politics In-Reply-To: Steve's message of Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:19:56 -0800 Message-ID: Steve writes: > >Anyway, my name's Mike and I'm a politics junkie. > > > >If I can't get it at home, I'll get it elsewhere. I'd like to follow the > >minutae of the US Primaries and Presidential elections. Does anyone know > >of a website that has detail and good commentary whereby I might do this? > > > Hi, I'm Steve and I'm another politics junkie. HI STEVE :-) Jeese, there are a lot of us here. Maybe we should start our own 12-Step group. So long as it's not Monday nights because that's when I go to my Hawkwind Kollectors 12-step group :-) > There's a website > maintained by CNN- the address is not handy at the moment, but a search for > CNN should turn up something. > That should be a start. I'll give it a shot, though I was thinking more along the lines of the Hunter.S.Thompson style of analysis. Mind you, his "Better Than Sex" seemed pretty poor to me, especially in the light of "Fear And Loathing On The Campaign Trail". His description in the earlier book of the manouvering over procedural votes was political commentary at its best. FoFP From 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM Fri Feb 16 11:52:12 1996 From: 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:52:12 EST Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: > > > >really, who cares that the boat left New Orleans in 1829 ? I think that > > > >the "morale" behind this is just that you can give so much power to > > > >an apparently meaningless phrase just by using the "proper rock > > > >intonation"... > >Well now, referring to the lyric book I notice that there is in fact an >exclamation mark after the line in question: > >"Oh my boat left New Orleans in 1829!" > >So apparently Sandy and Albert thought this line was pretty significant, >and here we are calling it meaningless and mundane!! :) > >Seriously, it could be argued that actually the line is of significance, >in that this marks a particular turning point in the story -- where >Imaginos sets out from New Orleans to seek the Magna of Illusion. > >A similar situation occurs in the song Magna of Illusion, which twice >includes the verse "Stories on land, storms at sea/'Tween 1892 and >'93/When Grandad sailed for Mexico". The first time this occurs, the line >acts as a climactic bridge into a short but fairly dramatic guitar solo. >So, ladies, fish and gentlemen of the jury, I honourably submit that >S.Pearlman and A.Bouchard did wilfully intend the act of venturing forth >to obtain a magic mirror to represent a moment of dramatic intentions in >the saga of Imaginos. > >Dave But Dave, there was never a doubt in my mind on the importance of that line IN CONTEXT... But as we've said before, we were just saying it was mundane if taken OUT of context :-) But nontheless, on a strictly in-depth approach, your comments ARE interesting. Alex. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 16 12:29:49 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:29:49 -0500 Subject: BOC; I'd Like To, and other stuff Message-ID: Jazza asks for a kick: >4) John Swartz: I'm taking my head in my hands and offering it for you to kick here, but I don't agree with you on this point: music is good and bad, it's just that people don't always like the good stuff. I mean, sure, `good' is relative, i.e. good for what, but you've got to agree that a piece that took effort and skill to compose and play is better, intrinsically, than something jammed together in five minutes by a would-be-but-never-will punk band. You may not like it, but that's not the same. Otherwise there'd be no point in getting CDs: it sounds `better', but that just means you can hear the sound more clearly, yes? I've not met anyone yet who said,"Well I think it sounds better muffled and scratchy _actually_"... but as usual this is just my opinion, crafted after years to trying to defend Steely Dan to some very bored friends, so what do I know? Interested in your comments though. I don't usually kick people just for disagreeing with me - actually, I don't think we disagree as much as you might think. I certainly agree that different music has qualities that could be "good" or "bad" (or that might make one "better" than another). Sure, CD's in general tend to sound "better" than an album or cassette version (although this can also be subjecte to opinion, and depends on how well the recording is made - there are great recordings on vinyl and lousy ones on CD) - that's because CD's offer a wider dynamic range than the other media, and digital mastering may be used to remove noise. So, from a sound quality standpoint, a song on a CD might be "better". Also, a piece that took effort and skill to compose and play may be (not always) better than some 3 chord jam thrown together. What we're talking about here is probably musical complexity, and one could say that the more complex piece may be "better" than the jam. These things are concrete aspects of the SOUND, and yes, one could say they can be "good" or "bad". However, when you talk about MUSIC, or at least when I'm talking about it, I'm going beyond the idea of music as just being "sound". Music is grouping of sounds for a purpose - where it becomes art, perhaps conveys or evokes emotion. Someone once define music to me as sounds grouped together in an aesthetically pleasing way - I'm not sure it necessarily has to be "pleasing" - some music may evoke other emotions that may not be pleasing. The point here being that music, and it's "goodness" or "badness" is a perceptual thing - how the sound touches someone. While the sounds of the well-composed piece may be "better" (in terms of being more complex, perhaps more varied, and some other number of parameters than can be used to describe it) than a punk rock jam, if you play it to people who usually listen to punk rock, they may say, "That sucks!" To THEIR perception (way of thinking), that well- composed piece doesn't resonate with them, but the loud, raucous jam that they can band their heads and mosh to makes them feel good. So, to them, the jam is "good" music, while the other is "bad". So, when I say that music is neither "good" nor "bad", I'm trying to point out that anything one can define as "music" will be perceived differently by different people -- some will like it, and some won't. Sure, there are qualities in the sound that could be considered good or bad, but that's just the technical details. Music is about feelings and emotion, not science - sure "science" can improve sound qualities, but that may or not make the "music" anymore pleasing to certain listeners. This is probably why I've been commenting so much lately on people telling the list WHY you like something. Just because YOU like some piece of music doesn't really tell me anything about it -- I mean, just because I say I like "Aeroplane" by the Red Hot Chilli Peppers - if you've never heard the song, does that tell you anything? Why should you care that I like it? And, if you have heard it, maybe you think, "What? That song sucks! What the hell could he possibly like about that song?" But perhaps I can make you think a little about the song if I say "check out that bass line", or even if I say, "It makes me feel like jumping up and stomping my feet." Music is about feeling, and I want to know how a song makes you feel - now I can make a more informed decision on whether or not I want to check it out for myself. John From stayer at PI.NET Fri Feb 16 03:25:00 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:25:00 PST Subject: BOC tabs Message-ID: >I believe this is the "Anthology" songbook which I spoke of -- it has >the SEE cover artwork on the front and contains music to everything on >that album, plus alot of the "classics" which showed up on OYFOOYK. >But, this book is not in tab format. I will have a look. Maybe a friend of mine has got photocopies. It does sound familiar. Maybe I've got a completely wrong interpretation of 'tab format'? Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Fri Feb 16 02:40:13 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:40:13 PST Subject: Sonic A Message-ID: >>wonder what The Wizard Blew His Horn would sound like in Japanese (or >>something of the sort)? I could always translate it into Dutch, and I'm pretty sure it will sound weird enough for most of the readers (= non-Dutch speaking) of BOC-L :-) Jerry From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 16 12:53:43 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:53:43 EST Subject: OffTopic: US politics Message-ID: > > Hi, I'm Steve and I'm another politics junkie. > > HI STEVE :-) > > Jeese, there are a lot of us here. Maybe we should start our own 12-Step > group. So long as it's not Monday nights because that's when I go to my > Hawkwind Kollectors 12-step group :-) > > > There's a website > > maintained by CNN- the address is not handy at the moment, but a search for > > CNN should turn up something. > > That should be a start. > > I'll give it a shot, though I was thinking more along the lines of the > Hunter.S.Thompson style of analysis. > > Mind you, his "Better Than Sex" seemed pretty poor to me, especially in > the light of "Fear And Loathing On The Campaign Trail". His description > in the earlier book of the manouvering over procedural votes was > political commentary at its best. > > FoFP Yeah, Thompson can surprise you. He's very astute about US politics, and a lot more fun to read than most. BUT we should take the politics stuff private lest our BOC-L mates start flaming us big-time! feel free to contact me on private mail theo From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Feb 16 13:03:04 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:03:04 -0500 Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: Bolle wanted this message forwarded... I was discussing this subject with a friend last night who plays in a band...copyright violations are broken all the time...anytime you see a cover band they are breaking copyrights...but, for what it's worth, given the band's pay for one night, it certainly isn't worth pursuing... I think whomever is pursuing the shutdown of OLGA has the wrong perspective...the archive is there for guitarists to retrieve tablature of their choice and learn them to become a better guitar player...it's like having a music teacher on the internet...it's one of the reasons that I stopped paying a music teacher $26 an hour to play songs that I wasn't intrested in... but, this comin Monday I plan on breaking a whole shitload of copyright violations when I go over to my bud's place and show him how to play She's Lost Control by Joy Division...which, btw, is G-A-A#-C-D then G-A-A#-C-A...sounds really kewl if you use a Wah... ROBO Subj: Re: stuff... Date: 96-02-16 02:56:19 EST From: TUBULAR 1 To: ROBODUDE But For Sure, Copyright doesn't allow for silly and naive excuses... If you perform somebodies works without proper autorization it is in violation of copyright laws... I have been given the rights to publish lyrics for 500 Books anything outside this is a violation of copyright laws... You may not quote anything without proper licensing so why should homely interpretations by excused from this law? can you see the legal loop hole this would be with real smart people needing to steal and rob the reality of this business... Once again don't be so naive about this issue of copyright. It is a serious offense to steal somebody elses works, even if it is your interpretations..... As far as I am concerned, I don't want to see my license revoked due to illegal activities, and whenever it comes down to the majority doing the illegal thing as is with Guitar tabs etc. Why should it become legal if a million people do it... If this became a reality then Drugs and Alcohol and Child sex would be a norm of society... Get Real....!!! BOLLE_!_? From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Feb 16 13:03:21 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:03:21 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-16 07:52:42 EST, you write: >> >really, who cares that the boat left New Orleans in 1829 ? I think that >> >the "morale" behind this is just that you can give so much power to >> >an apparently meaningless phrase just by using the "proper rock >> >intonation I think that the line is more important in a timeline aspect of the Imaginos Saga...imagine a study of WWII with no reference to the dates of important events... some lyrics may appear to the naked eye as being meaningless, when they very well may be misunderstood...the best lyric is the one that doesn't spell it out for you and is open for interpretation...although thru interpretation, you may be violating copyrights : ] Workshop of the Telescopes is a good example... or so the Germans would have us believe... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Feb 16 13:03:10 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:03:10 -0500 Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-16 08:50:31 EST, you write: >Actually, I'm very ignorant on this. Are bands suppossed to pay royalties >when they cover other artist's songs? Just to stretch this a little, >what defines "playing in public"? If a band has to pay royalties for >playing a song in a pub, do they have to pay royalties if their friends >show up and listen to one of their rehearsals? Can someone clue me in >on how this works? as I said in another post, whomever goes chasing after cover bands for copyrights basically has no life...for the money that they get paid, it certainly isn't worth the time or effort... if you're talking about a major act like U2 who does a cover of Satellite of Love and Unchained Melody on the Zooropa video, then that would be a more worthwhile cause... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Feb 16 13:03:10 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:03:10 -0500 Subject: OffTopic: US politics Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-16 09:08:28 EST, you write: >Anyway, my name's Mike and I'm a politics junkie. > >If I can't get it at home, I'll get it elsewhere. I'd like to follow the >minutae of the US Primaries and Presidential elections. Does anyone know >of a website that has detail and good commentary whereby I might do this? > >> John > >FoFP I'm sure if you try Yahoo you'll find a Web site...you might even try to see if Rush Limbaugh has one... whatever happened to Ross Perot and his United We Stand party? ROBO From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Feb 16 13:38:23 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:38:23 -0500 Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: >million people do it... If this became a reality then Drugs and Alcohol and >Child sex would be a norm of society... Get Real....!!! >BOLLE_!_? I don't know who BOLLE is but the way everything he says turns into an anal retentive diatribe against people who choose to partake in drugs or alcohol is really starting to annoy me M From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Feb 16 13:49:39 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:49:39 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Feb 16, 96 12:42:33 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > Exactly. The tone, the vocal phrasing here turns a wholly > mundane phrase ("My boat left new Orleans in 1829") into a match for > the instrumental intensity behind it. > And it works great until you get a group of cynical (and easily > amused ;) rock fans picking apart. Then you'll find us sitting around > and parodying it with other equally mundane attempts and lines: > "My boat left New Orleans ... IN EIGHTEEN-TWENTY NINE!" > "My overstuffed chair ... IS VERY COMFORTABLE!" > "At breakfast this morning ... I HAD TOAST AND JAM!" > "People there were killed ... BY THEIR VICHY-SOISSE!" > > (Sorry about that last one ... couldn't resist ;) Carl, have you been listening to Lawnmower Deth? :-) Steve Did you spill my pint? From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Feb 16 14:04:37 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:04:37 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: >Steve >Did you spill my pint? Steve! Have you been reading Biffa Bacon from Viz? :-) Martyn From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 16 14:10:12 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:10:12 EST Subject: BOC tabs Message-ID: > >I believe this is the "Anthology" songbook which I spoke of -- > it has > >the SEE cover artwork on the front and contains music to > everything on > >that album, plus alot of the "classics" which showed up on > OYFOOYK. > >But, this book is not in tab format. > I will have a look. Maybe a friend of mine has got photocopies. > It does sound familiar. Maybe I've got a completely wrong > interpretation of 'tab format'? > > Jerry Jerry. I have this book. It contains no useful guitar notation. It does have piano arrangements and guitar chord symbols. I can't say if the keyboard music is accurate, but the guitar stuff is just adequate, and not all the chords are right. P.S. Library of Congress lists Kees Van Kooten as author of "Zeven Sloten" published in 1988. Also haas listings for Gerald K., Gijsbert, Ton, and Toos Van Kooten! theo From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Feb 16 14:17:20 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:17:20 -0500 Subject: BOC; I'd Like To, and other stuff In-Reply-To: from "Jon Jarrett" at Feb 16, 96 03:29:50 pm Message-ID: Jon Jarrett writes: > > 6) `proper rock intonation': this sounds a lot like Eliot's idea of the > `objective correlative', a set of words which would convey exactly the > same image to anyone who heard them. I don't think it's possible, even > within one language, but he did and was quite prepared to sacrifice sense > to the search for it. Never heard it applied to music before, but agree > with the example. A crescendo on the word `eighteen-twenty-nine' has no > business being such a gut-tugger: I'm a historian, and I don't find > dates *that* exciting... but it works dunnit? Could this be something to > do with natural frequencies of vibration, or sequences of major chords, > or what? There must be some scientific reasons if all of BOC-L who've > commented on this can all agree that the phrase is good, we never manage > it on anything else! If you want an even more extreme example, check out this tune (uh, oh, Steve is about to violate copyright law, someone call the Net Police!) :-) This song is by the Melvins. It's got truly brutal music, with chopping power chords and hammering drums - it's as violent and methodical as pattern bombing. The words are spat out in a vocal tone that's somewhere between a snarl and a shout - they sound terrifying: they'll send a shiver down your spine. When you're trying to figure them out, you hear a barely restrained threat of violence in them. This is what the words actually are: HOOCH Los ticka toe rest. Might like a sender doe ree. Your make a doll a ray day sender bright like a penelty. Exi-tease my ray day member half lost a beat away. Purst in like a one way sender war give a heart like a fay. Cuz I can ford a red eed only street a wide a ree land. Die- mond make a mid-evil bike a sake a like a ree caste. Cuz I can ford a red eed only street a wide a ree land. On a ree land. Find a ree land. You sink a my swan. Rolly a get a worst in. May-be minus way far central poor forty duck a pin. Milk maid dud bean. Master a load head. Pill pop a dope a well run general hash punp a gonna lead. Yeah, I didn't really have to type all that in to make my point, but what the heck, I thought you might find it amusing. ;-) Steve From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 16 14:15:25 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:15:25 EST Subject: OffTopic: US politics Message-ID: > I'm sure if you try Yahoo you'll find a Web site...you might even try to see > if Rush Limbaugh has one... > > whatever happened to Ross Perot and his United We Stand party? > > ROBO Since the economy turned around, and the other two parties have taken such a liking to balancing the budget [or at least pretending to] a lot of little Ross' raison d'etre has disappeared. theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 16 14:18:43 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:18:43 EST Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: > >million people do it... If this became a reality then Drugs and Alcohol and > >Child sex would be a norm of society... Get Real....!!! > >BOLLE_!_? > > I don't know who BOLLE is but the way everything he says turns > into an anal retentive diatribe against people who choose to partake > in drugs or alcohol is really starting to annoy me > > M Right on! I remember a line from Rick Neilsen of Cheap Trick. I forget who he was talking about, but he said: 'now there's one person who SHOULD take drugs.' I suspect that Bolle may be a reformed doper. None more rabid than the reformed! Just my take on him, as I've read references here about his beer-drinking. Maybe it's NA beer? From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 14:24:02 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:24:02 +0000 Subject: OFF: Rymdrock fra*n Sverige! In-Reply-To: from "Jon Jarrett" at Feb 16, 96 02:50:12 pm Message-ID: > > >the extremely rare second CD _Darker_ for the first few tracks, and it > > >promises to be no disappointment either. > > > > There's a track on there called "Fireclown" that fits along perfectly alongside > > BOC's "The Great Sun Jester".... > > _More_ Moorcock influenced spacerock? Or is the Fireclown ref. > just coincidence? Well, DarXtar are big Hawkwind fans, so I suspect the Moorcock influence and Hawkwind influence here come as a set, but otherwise yes, more Moorcock influenced spacerock. Heck, I wrote a Lovecraftian rock song (though I haven't recorded it) as a result of the interminable Imaginos/Lovecraft threads on boc-l. Not like I would have done it if not for BOC, most likely ;) Cheers, Carl From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Feb 16 14:31:23 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:31:23 -0500 Subject: Copyright News In-Reply-To: <960216130304_223793601@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "Rob Maerz" at Feb 16, 96 01:03:04 pm Message-ID: ROBO, I have no business telling you what to do, of course, but as the creator of the original BOC lyrics archives, I'm asking you, as a fellow fan and as a BOC-L member, to take the link to the BOC-L archives off of your web page. And the same goes for anybody else who is currently advertising the availability of these things outside of BOC-L. Please stop, before somebody actually decides to actually *do* something about it. You know that when these things go to court, the people who arrive with search warrants tend to not know anything about computers or data storage, and so they just grab everything in the area that looks electronic. Think about if Sony music decides that we're infringing their copyright, and have the BOC-L archive and mail server seized? Yes, I'm probably being alarmist, but stranger things have happened. The fact is that this isn't the first time Bolle has mentioned his contract to produce 500 copies of the BOC-L lyrics book, and it's making me nervous. What if he decides that we're cutting into his profit margin by effectively giving them away for free? I propose, again, that we stop advertising the existence of these things outside of BOC-L. Steve > From: TUBULAR 1 > To: ROBODUDE > > > But For Sure, Copyright doesn't allow for silly and naive excuses... If you > perform somebodies works without proper autorization it is in violation of > copyright laws... > I have been given the rights to publish lyrics for 500 Books anything outside > this is a violation of copyright laws... You may not quote anything without > proper licensing so why should homely interpretations by excused from this > law? can you see the legal loop hole this would be with real smart people > needing to steal and rob the reality of this business... > Once again don't be so naive about this issue of copyright. It is a serious > offense to steal somebody elses works, even if it is your > interpretations..... > As far as I am concerned, I don't want to see my license revoked due to > illegal activities, and whenever it comes down to the majority doing the > illegal thing as is with Guitar tabs etc. Why should it become legal if a > million people do it... If this became a reality then Drugs and Alcohol and > Child sex would be a norm of society... Get Real....!!! > BOLLE_!_? > From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Feb 16 14:35:50 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:35:50 -0500 Subject: HW: more videos Message-ID: I will have the fortune this weekend to view yet another so-far-unmentioned Hawkwind bootleg video. This one is from the 1990 USA tour, from the Mercury Club, Denver Colorado, 13 Dec 90. Early next week I will post the total length (minutes) of the tape, as well as any especially pertinent details if there are any. Unfortunately, this tape is completely unavailable for trade purposes :-(. Sorry guys! The fellow who filmed this video was quite adamant that no one else receive a copy of it. Oh well, at least we can confirm its existence for the HW vid list that Bernard is building... Have any more vids from the 1995 USA tour surfaced? The only one I've heard of is the Jaxx, Springfield VA show. However, I seem to remember during the sporadic gig reviews that were posted here last April that witnesses reported some shows being videotaped. Anybody seen or heard of any other vids existing? CHUCK/Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 14:35:25 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:35:25 +0000 Subject: BOC; I'd Like To, and other stuff In-Reply-To: from "Jon Jarrett" at Feb 16, 96 03:29:50 pm Message-ID: > You may not like it, but that's not > the same. Otherwise there'd be no point in getting CDs: it sounds > `better', but that just means you can hear the sound more clearly, yes? > I've not met anyone yet who said,"Well I think it sounds better muffled > and scratchy _actually_" Gee, but isn't this why it's so trendy to be into vinyl? How many times have I heard "vinyl is _warmer_"? ;) Er, aren't we actually talking about the sound being _muffled_ from the compression that come with vinyl (and analog tape, for that matter)? And, usually, vinyl is scratcy too ;) Personally, I think this is ridiculous. If the vinyl sounds better than the CD, then it wasn't mastered for CD properly, or the engineer doesn't know how to use digital recording equipment properly. A digital recording _can_ be both as warm as and clearer than analog. Now if people say they're into vinyl 'cause they like the nostalgia, or the cool original artwork, or floppy black discs, or they're favorite band _hasn't_ been mastered properly onto CD (and the vinyl really does sound better on their high-end stereo) ... Well, all right then. ;) Cheers, Carl From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 10:58:36 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:58:36 GMT Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: > Don't know the setup in the UK, but here, bars pay licensing fees to > BMI and ASCAP, the two bodies who govern music publication in the US. Similar over here. There's thing called the Performing Rights Society which collects the performance fees. Each band/musician will not pay to play a song but that fee will have been paid. Hence if you perform in an unlicensed venue with no fee going to the musician you will be breaking copyright law. The legal issue moves from the musician to the promoter but doesn't go away. Chris From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 16 14:54:03 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:54:03 EST Subject: bolle/carlos connection? Message-ID: > > > >million people do it... If this became a reality then Drugs and Alcohol and > > >Child sex would be a norm of society... Get Real....!!! > > >BOLLE_!_? > > > > I don't know who BOLLE is but the way everything he says turns > > into an anal retentive diatribe against people who choose to partake > > in drugs or alcohol is really starting to annoy me > > > > M > > Right on! I remember a line from Rick Neilsen of Cheap Trick. I > forget who he was talking about, but he said: 'now there's one > person who SHOULD take drugs.' I suspect that Bolle may be a > reformed doper. None more rabid than the reformed! Just my take on > him, as I've read references here about his beer-drinking. Maybe > it's NA beer? I just remembered. He was talking about Carlos Santana during his days as a disciple of Sri Chinmoy, when he preferred to be called 'Devadip Carlos Santana.' BTW, that album with John McLaughlin is quite amazing theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 16 15:00:18 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:00:18 -0500 Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: Just a few thoughts on what Bolle posted: >But For Sure, Copyright doesn't allow for silly and naive excuses... Good point there - and I'm certainly guilty of spewing naive excuses. I don't think they're silly, but that's my point of view. >You may not quote anything without proper licensing so why should homely interpretations by excused from this law? Hmm... you know, me quoting Bolle like this could be considered a copy right violation, I assume. But, to his question of why interpretations should be excused, I ask - "why should they be included?" O.K., I suppose Bolle's right that this could create loopholes in people saying "I didn't copy it, I figured it out all by myself" as a defense for actually copying it. But to not be able to right down whatever I hear... don't make sense to me. >As far as I am concerned, I don't want to see my license revoked due to illegal activities Absolutely, and I would not support activity which would adversely impact Bolle - even if I didn't consider him a friend. But - and if I'm being naive, someone PLEASE tell me - why would Bolle's license be revoked for something that someone else did that he had absolutely no control over? If I buy a copy of the lyric book, and then make illegal copies, *I'M* the one that should be targeted - not Bolle. He certainly didn't authorize me to do this, in fact he warned me against it in the form of copyright notices in the lyric. >Why should it become legal if a million people do it... Agreed, but I'm not convinced it should be illegal. All right, I've said enough about this (a few posts ago no doubt). John From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Feb 16 15:01:21 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 21:01:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: Rymdrock fra*n Sverige! Message-ID: >On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >> >the extremely rare second CD _Darker_ for the first few tracks, and it >> >promises to be no disappointment either. >> >> There's a track on there called "Fireclown" that fits along perfectly alongside >> BOC's "The Great Sun Jester".... > > _More_ Moorcock influenced spacerock? Or is the Fireclown ref. >just coincidence? > Jazza No coincidente. The Commander of darXtar is today a Moorcock lookalike, and since 1973 a seriously demented Hawkfan... \\joe From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Fri Feb 16 15:14:06 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:14:06 -0600 Subject: HW: more videos In-Reply-To: <9602161435.A13456@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Feb 1996, cjohnson wrote: Hi Chuck, and all, > Have any more vids from the 1995 USA tour surfaced? The only one > I've heard of is the Jaxx, Springfield VA show. However, I seem to > remember during the sporadic gig reviews that were posted here last > April that witnesses reported some shows being videotaped. Anybody > seen or heard of any other vids existing? I don't know this for a fact, but a friend of mine, Dmitri, had taped Nik when he was here the last two times, and he may have been able to tape either the Chicago or Denver shows last year (I think he ended up going to Denver). I'll see if he's still in town, and all that... Have a great weekend! Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 16 15:15:48 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:15:48 -0500 Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: Martin and Theo say: > I don't know who BOLLE is but the way everything he says turns > into an anal retentive diatribe against people who choose to partake > in drugs or alcohol is really starting to annoy me > > M Right on! I remember a line from Rick Neilsen of Cheap Trick. I forget who he was talking about, but he said: 'now there's one person who SHOULD take drugs.' I suspect that Bolle may be a reformed doper. None more rabid than the reformed! Just my take on him, as I've read references here about his beer-drinking. Maybe it's NA beer? Whoah, wait a minute. I'm gonna jump in here since I probably inadvertently started this by re-posting one of his old comments, and in it he happens to also mention drugs. First of all, Bolle by his own admission has been known to partake of alchohol (in fact, he's told me that if I ever visit him, the two of us are probably going to get majorly wasted while we listen to music). Bolle is certainly not against people to choose to partake in alchohol. Second, Bolle certainly seems to be against taking drugs, at least for himself personally. He stated that he has never taken drugs, and I would take him on his word at that, rather than suggesting that he's a reformed doper. In his first mention of drugs, he was saying so in response to someone whom he believes (and probably knows first hand) was taking drugs - and it may have been said influence which caused that person to write the lies in the liner notes previously discussed. His more recent mentioning of drugs was, at least how I interpreted, to be an example of illegal activity (he also mentioned child sex). Third, he has his opinions on the subject, and I don't think that because he happens to be against something that's illegal (not to mention potentially destructive) and that because he voices those opinions that he should be branded "anal retentive". I've never done any drugs (other than alchohol or various legal medicinal products) myself. I'm not condemning people who do, but I don't believe that Bolle was either. Finally, since he's not on this list, I think it's inappropriate that any of us here should rip into him. Especially since his words put here were probably not put here at his request - ROBO and I were passing along some opinions from him regarding copyright info and liner notes. The fact that alchohol and drugs happened to also be mentioned in the e-mails is coincidental, and mostly not pertinent to the main discussion. John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 16 14:26:07 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:26:07 +0000 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: <199602161849.NAA17485@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Feb 16, 96 01:49:39 pm Message-ID: > > "My boat left New Orleans ... IN EIGHTEEN-TWENTY NINE!" > > "My overstuffed chair ... IS VERY COMFORTABLE!" > > "At breakfast this morning ... I HAD TOAST AND JAM!" > > "People there were killed ... BY THEIR VICHY-SOISSE!" > > > > (Sorry about that last one ... couldn't resist ;) > > Carl, have you been listening to Lawnmower Deth? :-) Well, now that you mention it, no, actually ;) Cheers, Carl From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Feb 16 15:24:25 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 21:24:25 +0100 Subject: OffTopic: US politics Message-ID: Mike sez: >Jeese, there are a lot of us here. Maybe we should start our own 12-Step >group. So long as it's not Monday nights because that's when I go to my >Hawkwind Kollectors 12-step group :-) That's why you're so silent on Mondays. What is the criteria to enter this Stage D Kollektor Forum? (or was it "Stage A+"?) Maybe "Arrival in Utopia/Total Kompleteness"? >FoFP \\joe From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Feb 16 15:42:09 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:42:09 -0500 Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: >First of all, Bolle by his own admission has been known to partake of >alchohol (in fact, he's told me that if I ever visit him, the two of >us are probably going to get majorly wasted while we listen to music). >Bolle is certainly not against people to choose to partake in alchohol. Oh in that case, he's OK ;-) Martyn "Twas a woman who drove me to drink, and I never had the courtesy to thank her for it" WC Fields From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 16 15:54:43 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:54:43 -0500 Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: Steve writes: ROBO, I have no business telling you what to do, of course, but as the creator of the original BOC lyrics archives, I'm asking you, as a fellow fan and as a BOC-L member, to take the link to the BOC-L archives off of your web page. And the same goes for anybody else who is currently advertising the availability of these things outside of BOC-L. Please stop, before somebody actually decides to actually *do* something about it. You know that when these things go to court, the people who arrive with search warrants tend to not know anything about computers or data storage, and so they just grab everything in the area that looks electronic. Think about if Sony music decides that we're infringing their copyright, and have the BOC-L archive and mail server seized? Yes, I'm probably being alarmist, but stranger things have happened. The fact is that this isn't the first time Bolle has mentioned his contract to produce 500 copies of the BOC-L lyrics book, and it's making me nervous. What if he decides that we're cutting into his profit margin by effectively giving them away for free? I propose, again, that we stop advertising the existence of these things outside of BOC-L. Steve Steve - if this is your feeling, I might also add that the archives are also advertised in the BOC FAQ. Now, I'm planning on releasing a new version within a month (just waiting for the next issue of Morning Final, rumored to be mailed by the end of this month), and if it is your wish, I will update the FAQ. Do you wish me to remove the FTP address information altogether, or would it suffice to remove the information in the FAQ that states that lyric files are available at the site. Please let me know what you think on this. I don't agree with all of this, but I do feel as the editor of the FAQ that I have some responsibility in this area beyond my own wishes. I certainly would not want the FAQ to be a cause of future problems for BOC-L, or the archive site. John From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Feb 16 16:44:18 1996 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:44:18 -0500 Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-16 15:23:03 EST, you write: >Finally, since he's not on this list, I think it's inappropriate that >any of us here should rip into him. Especially since his words put >here were probably not put here at his request - ROBO and I were passing >along some opinions from him regarding copyright info and liner notes. >The fact that alchohol and drugs happened to also be mentioned in the >e-mails is coincidental, and mostly not pertinent to the main discussion. > >John > > he did request that the E be forwarded to BOC-L...he only made the reference to drugs to make a point, and drugs are not the subject at hand...if ya have a beef about his drug comments, send him an Email... ROBO From jguizar at EPIX.NET Fri Feb 16 17:02:32 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:02:32 EST Subject: HW: more videos Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:35:50 -0500 Capt. Cloud wrote: > I will have the fortune this weekend to view yet another > so-far-unmentioned Hawkwind bootleg video. This one is from the > 1990 USA tour, from the Mercury Club, Denver Colorado, 13 Dec 90. > > Early next week I will post the total length (minutes) of the tape, > as well as any especially pertinent details if there are any. > > Unfortunately, this tape is completely unavailable for trade > purposes :-(. Sorry guys! The fellow who filmed this video was > quite adamant that no one else receive a copy of it. Oh well, at > least we can confirm its existence for the HW vid list that Bernard > is building... Well, I for one think that you're just making up these reviews. Now, if I got to look at those videos, I think you'd be more believable :{) Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Feb 16 17:31:42 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:31:42 EST Subject: HW: more videos Message-ID: >> I will have the fortune this weekend to view yet another >> so-far-unmentioned Hawkwind bootleg video. This one is from the >> 1990 USA tour, from the Mercury Club, Denver Colorado, 13 Dec 90. >> >> Unfortunately, this tape is completely unavailable for trade >> purposes :-(. Sorry guys! The fellow who filmed this video was >> quite adamant that no one else receive a copy of it. > Well, I for one think that you're just making up these reviews. Now, if > I got to look at those videos, I think you'd be more believable :{) > >Jerry >jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us >jguizar at epix.net Busted! I was making a wish list of vids I'd like to see... 8^) Just kidding. In fact, it took me several months of negotiating before my friend would let me borrow his tape. I had to swear up and down on my Hawk-Codex that I would not let anybody else have a copy of this tape. And (unfortunately?) I try to stick to those kinds of promises...or else I lose credibility the next time I have the chance at a "please don't distribute" bootleg tape. There is at least one other person on BOC-L that made a trade with me under similar conditions. An unusual point about this tape is that the guy is NOT a Hawkwind trader. He has NO live tapes other than this vid, and didn't really want any out of my kollection in return for this vid. In fact, I think I merely wore him down after months of pleading. At least he didn't make me promise never to mention it to anyone. ;-) Hey, it's nice to know that "Hawkwind Mind Journey" exists, even if I'll never actually see one (it?). Kind of gives a Kollector a real reason to keep looking... If you are the kind of person who *has* live stuff like this that you don't want to "get out" into the great wide world, but are willing to make the occasional "hush hush" trade, then YOU CAN T - R - U - S - T ME !!!?!! ...in spite of having _two_ used car salesmen in my family... ;-) Jerry, do you have any one-of-a-kind vids to trade, under the same conditions? Or (preferably) under no conditions at all? Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Feb 16 19:43:09 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:43:09 -0500 Subject: Copyright News In-Reply-To: <199602162054.PAA27399@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Feb 16, 96 03:54:43 pm Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > > I propose, again, that we stop advertising the existence of these > things outside of BOC-L. > > Steve > > > Steve - if this is your feeling, I might also add that the archives > are also advertised in the BOC FAQ. Now, I'm planning on releasing a > new version within a month (just waiting for the next issue of Morning > Final, rumored to be mailed by the end of this month), and if it is > your wish, I will update the FAQ. Do you wish me to remove the FTP > address information altogether, or would it suffice to remove the > information in the FAQ that states that lyric files are available > at the site. Please let me know what you think on this. If you distribute the FAQ outside of BOC-L, then please do remove the references to the lyrics archive. Or, if you will, create an edited version of the FAQ for distribution outside BOC-L, which does not include a mention of the lyrics archive. I am not particularly worried that any music industry legal drone would even know how to check the site, much less bother to do so. I think it's only if you wave the copyright violation in their faces (like, by telling everyone about it) that they will feel compelled to take action. Thanks, John. I think we both want the same thing here - for the archive to continue to be available. Steve From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Feb 16 19:53:53 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:53:53 -0500 Subject: BOC; I'd Like To, and other stuff In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Feb 16, 96 07:35:25 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > You may not like it, but that's not > > the same. Otherwise there'd be no point in getting CDs: it sounds > > `better', but that just means you can hear the sound more clearly, yes? > > I've not met anyone yet who said,"Well I think it sounds better muffled > > and scratchy _actually_" > > Gee, but isn't this why it's so trendy to be into vinyl? > How many times have I heard "vinyl is _warmer_"? ;) Er, > aren't we actually talking about the sound being _muffled_ from > the compression that come with vinyl (and analog tape, for that matter)? > And, usually, vinyl is scratcy too ;) > > Personally, I think this is ridiculous. If the vinyl sounds > better than the CD, then it wasn't mastered for CD properly, or the > engineer doesn't know how to use digital recording equipment properly. > A digital recording _can_ be both as warm as and clearer than analog. > > Now if people say they're into vinyl 'cause they like the > nostalgia, or the cool original artwork, or floppy black discs, or > they're favorite band _hasn't_ been mastered properly onto CD (and the > vinyl really does sound better on their high-end stereo) ... > Well, all right then. ;) Well, just to throw another wrench into the machinery, I remember hearing a theory that the vibration of the needle introduces some kind of higher order harmonics into the sound...? :-) Anyway, I'm not certain that sometimes the compression of sound and scratchiness of the medium aren't part of the "charm" of vinyl. I have a copy of the Mobile Fidelity gold disk of _Thick As A Brick_, and it just doesn't have the same feeling of authenticity as the ancient, scratched up slab of vinyl that I used to listen to. Go figure. :-) Steve From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Fri Feb 16 21:11:58 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 21:11:58 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: Andy Asks: >... is it "to blast... with my surprise" or "to blast... with my supplies"? "to blast your rafters with my surprise" >Who speaks the voice of the Captain? I do. Jack Secret (George Geranious' brother) does the other part. Al From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Fri Feb 16 21:12:04 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 21:12:04 -0500 Subject: At the end of the day..... Message-ID: Hi AB: >Quick question for Al & Deb - saw that you both trained for the NYC >marathon, but did you ever run it? Just curious. Deb ran 2 NYC marathons. One person she outran was David Lee Roth. I ran 10, plus 2 Shri Chinmoys 1 Long Island and 1 Boston. The marathon is an awesome experience. Big city marathons have more spectators than any rock concert ever. But unlike the performer in a concert the marathon is a very humbling experience. Oh you had to ask! Sorry, very off topic. I could really go on and on about running. If there are any fellow marathoners out there we should continue this via private email. Al From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat Feb 17 00:17:47 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:17:47 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons at Maxwell's Message-ID: The Brain Surgeons will be at Maxwell's in Hoboken, NJ, Friday, March 15. Showtime: 10 pm. With Walt Mink and Fig Dish. Hope to see you there! From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Sat Feb 17 00:50:18 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:50:18 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: On the rhyme scheme of typical BOC songs: One reason I liked writing songs to Meltzer lyrics is because they were more straightforward. Not just because he uses end rhymes sometimes (but it's his unusual word choice that make them really interesting) but also because he always has a consistent rhythmic pattern going on. Pearlman's lyrics seldom had a consistent rhythmic pattern and hardly ever any end rhymes. An exception would be 'Cities'. But Pearlman would make many internal rhymes and illiteration and if I thought about it long enough I could glean some sort of useful rhythm. That's one reason why the remake of BOC is better, because I used all of Sp's lyrics and found their rhyme rather than squashing them into a little guitar riff. On Blue Oyster Cult remake: That is my consistent favorite on the Imaginos album. I'm pretty happy with how it came out. I think the extra sections and the rewritten chorus all make it a pretty dramatic song. And Robbie Kreiger plays an excellent solo at the end too. Eric sang Subhuman. On 1829: Yes, DK pretty much hit it on the head. That's what I love about this group. Whenever I see a thread that I think I could answer I have to read all the replies to see if someone beat me to the punch. It is a significant moment where Imaginos sets sail to discover ..... Les Invisibles? Or just another dominant chord? Maybe, but one thing is certain. The world will never be the same. On vinyl vs. CD: I like digital because it's a lot easier to work with. It's a more durable format. LPs and tapes gett worn and messed up after awhile. But I think there's too much error correction going on in all digital formats. In a way, from an audiophile's perspective digital has a ways to go to match the repoduction quality of the finest analog audio equipment. Unfortunately neither I nor most people on this list would invest in such gear. Certainly from a recordist's view it's out of my range. Digital - more bang per buck! See y'all in a few days. Al From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Sat Feb 17 03:04:04 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 03:04:04 -0500 Subject: At the end of the day..... Message-ID: Al: >Deb ran 2 NYC marathons. One person she outran was David Lee Roth. I ran >10, plus 2 Shri Chinmoys 1 Long Island and 1 Boston. The marathon is an >awesome experience. Big city marathons have more spectators than any rock >concert ever. But unlike the performer in a concert the marathon is a very >humbling experience. Oh you had to ask! Sorry, very off topic. I could >really go on and on about running. If there are any fellow marathoners out >there we should continue this via private email. >Al Here's a hypothetical question for you: How long a set would you have to play behind the kit to equal one NYC marathon? I'm not sure what form of measurement would be most valid, so why don't you do the honors... =) The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Sat Feb 17 03:04:00 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 03:04:00 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: A perfect time to... >Andy Asks: >>... is it "to blast... with my surprise" or "to blast... with my supplies"? ...plug the Official Lyric Book available from Bolle... >"to blast your rafters with my surprise" ...and remind everyone that the latest issue of Morning Final isn't far off! And coming soon: BOC BBQ 1996 in Santa Rosa, California! --------- Home of the Brewery Of Cult -------- The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Sat Feb 17 03:04:03 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 03:04:03 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: To All: >On Blue Oyster Cult remake: >That is my consistent favorite on the Imaginos album. I'm pretty >happy with how it came out. I think the extra sections and the rewritten >chorus all make it a pretty dramatic song. And Robbie Kreiger plays an >excellent solo at the end too. Eric sang Subhuman. It's refreshing to hear this, as it makes me feel better about my almost fanatic liking for this reworked version of Subhuman. I very much like the original, but the treatment here, in context, takes the song to a level near what was likely intended when it was originally written... >On 1829: >Yes, DK pretty much hit it on the head. That's what I love about >this group. Whenever I see a thread that I think I could answer I have to >read all the replies to see if someone beat me to the punch. It is a >significant moment where Imaginos sets sail to discover ..... Les >Invisibles? Or just another dominant chord? Maybe, but one thing is >certain. The world will never be the same. Dramatic moments come in shapes & sizes...and sounds... >On vinyl vs. CD: >I like digital because it's a lot easier to work with. It's a more >durable format. LPs and tapes gett worn and messed up after awhile. >But I think there's too much error correction going on in all digital formats. >In a way, from an audiophile's perspective digital has a ways to go to match >the repoduction quality of the finest analog audio equipment. Unfortunately >neither I nor most people on this list would invest in such gear. Certainly >from a recordist's view it's out of my range. Digital - more bang per buck! No pun intended, of course... =) The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Sat Feb 17 03:56:25 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:56:25 -0800 Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: At 03:15 PM 2/16/96 -0500, you wrote: >Finally, since he's not on this list, I think it's inappropriate that >any of us here should rip into him. Especially since his words put >here were probably not put here at his request - ROBO and I were passing >along some opinions from him regarding copyright info and liner notes. >The fact that alchohol and drugs happened to also be mentioned in the >e-mails is coincidental, and mostly not pertinent to the main discussion. I seem to recall a "Bolle asked for this to be posted" at the top of the original post.. Not that I care.. How come he doesn't get on this list anyway? _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Sat Feb 17 04:03:08 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 01:03:08 -0800 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: At 12:50 AM 2/17/96 -0500, you wrote: >On Blue Oyster Cult remake: > That is my consistent favorite on the Imaginos album. I'm pretty >happy with how it came out. I think the extra sections and the rewritten >chorus all make it a pretty dramatic song. And Robbie Kreiger plays an >excellent solo at the end too. Eric sang Subhuman. Eric? Really? I'll have to pull out ST & give it a listen.. Didn't seem his usual style.. Ah well, I've been wrong before. Who's singing the Imaginos version? _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Feb 17 05:33:25 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 05:33:25 -0500 Subject: Vote on Astronomy/Like v. Dislike Message-ID: On 16-FEB-1996 08:22:51.6 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >by listserv.spc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA20511 for >; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 07:55:47 -0500 >Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6] (ident = root) >by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.0 #36) >id m0tnPd1-000C1HC; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:51 +0000 (GMT) >Received: by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.29.0 #77) id >m0tnPcy-000DJLC; Fri, >16 Feb 1996 12:51 +0000 (GMT) >Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:51:07 +0000 >From: "Carl E. Anderson" >Subject: Re: Vote on Astronomy/Like v. Dislike >In-reply-to: <01I191WFYK2G9FOLBR at delphi.com> from ><"HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM"@Fe b> >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Message-id: >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] >Content-type: text >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >> >AB says: however be aware some people just don't care to >> >explain their likes and dislikes to the same depths. >> >However, be aware: many people just care to hit the delete button. >> >C-ya! >> >> Why be so damn rude?? >> I don't think that Ben's introduction to this list >> said: "It is required that you state your opiniuons and your reasons >for > them." Some people don't post at all. If someone wants to post >"good" or > "bad" (while I agree that it's more interesting to know >why) then leave it > be. I know some people who just CAN'T explain why >- it's not in their > vocabulary or understanding. There will always >be a certain faction of > people who will be able to elaborate and >those who won't... I think there's >> enough people who can post "why" so that someone can get a good idea >of wha t >> something sounds like. We need a little more tolerance here. >Change down, man ... Find your neutral space ... ;) >I don't think rudeness was intended here. For that matter, on >some subject threads _I_ just hit the delete button, though on others >I dive in with no shortage of posting (the value of which is, >admittedly, debatable ;) >As Pippi Longstocking says: A:r det inte ett fritt land? >(Is it not a free country?) >But while, sure, it's nice to have a tally of people all >sending a message to say they do or don't like something and little >else, well personally I'd rather that kind of voting be done in the >traditional BOC-L manner: a list wide poll wherein one person tallys the >votes and posts the results to the list. >I might read something that does elaborate, since it can expand >my own perceptions. But tally-threads will probably hit my delete key >as well. No condemnation of non-elaborative threads, or peoples >tastes in coffee, or whatever--it's just that I haven't got *that* >much free time on my hands ... >Cheers, >Carl No, Carl, I wasn't objecting to the delete strategy either. I use it now and then myself. But Deb's note just seemed...biting? I dunno. That's the prob w/this kind of communication, as we've discussed before - it's hard to tell what people mean w/out any "tone inflection". I'm neutral here. Chuck `[1;36;47mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From RHamel4129 at AOL.COM Sat Feb 17 09:39:57 1996 From: RHamel4129 at AOL.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 09:39:57 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: s, One of the things I always find interesting when I get hard copy lyrics is finding out what I have wrong. Sometimes I'm almost disappointed because my prior interpretation may have represented the story differently. For example, until I got Bolle's lyric book, I always thought the end of Magna was: "My Grandaughter proves a surprise, more light........ and more of sin than love", which I interpreted to mean than to his surprise, Imaginos' grandaughter became a willing agent of Les Invisibles as well. I though "cool". Of course, I was completely off, as it's "Mine, Grandaughter proves a surprise, more light ...... and more a snare than lust" Not quite sure what that's supposed to mean. Of course, being from New Hampshire makes Imaginos that much cooler, I want to know what town he was born in! Rich From brendah at MBAY.NET Sat Feb 17 10:48:07 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 07:48:07 -0800 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Rich Hamel wrote: > Of course, being from New Hampshire makes Imaginos that much cooler, I want > to > know what town he was born in! Deerfield. My dad lives there. You just KNOW something weird is happening there! Brenda (lived in Concord and Dover) Holloway --- []]]]]]]] Brenda Holloway brendah at mbay.net [[[[[[[[] [[ ]]]]]] Sony New Technologies, Monterey, CA [[[[[[ ]] [[[ ]]]] http://www.sonysoft.com/brenda/ [[[[ ]]] [[[[ ]]] http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ [[[ ]]]] [[[[[ ] C Coder. C Coder Run. Run, Coder, Run. [ ]]]]] From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sat Feb 17 11:54:11 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 16:54:11 GMT Subject: OffTopic: US politics In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Fri, 16 Feb 1996 21:24:25 +0100 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > Mike sez: > > >Jeese, there are a lot of us here. Maybe we should start our own 12-Step > >group. So long as it's not Monday nights because that's when I go to my > >Hawkwind Kollectors 12-step group :-) > > That's why you're so silent on Mondays. > What is the criteria to enter this Stage D Kollektor Forum? I think they let you in if you have both a black and grey vinyl copy of the PXR5 12" FoFP From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sat Feb 17 13:13:18 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 13:13:18 -0500 Subject: TEST - PLEASE IGNORE Message-ID: TEST From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 17 13:22:55 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:22:55 +0000 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: <960217030359_146500978@mail02.mail.aol.com> from "Douglas A. Mitchell" at Feb 17, 96 03:04:03 am Message-ID: > > Digital - more bang per buck! > > No pun intended, of course... =) Ha! Though on _Cult Classic_, BOC's first digital recording, I think they weren't quite there on using digital recording. Some of the tracks are pretty good, and it's not hard to improve on the sound of the earlier albums, but over all the sound is a bit flat and the recording seems rushed. Little out of practice, studio-wise, eh BOC? ;) More "bang" from "Buck" would be a good thing, especially as he tends to write "OK" pop songs, while trapped in the the body of a great rock guitarist ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 17 13:26:43 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:26:43 +0000 Subject: Vote on Astronomy/Like v. Dislike In-Reply-To: <01I1B4GPAHYQ96YTSY@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Feb 17, 96 05:33:25 am Message-ID: > No, Carl, I wasn't objecting to the delete strategy either. I use it now and > then myself. But Deb's note just seemed...biting? I dunno. That's the prob > w/this kind of communication, as we've discussed before - it's hard to tell > what people mean w/out any "tone inflection". I'm neutral here. Well, Deb is nothing if not unrestrained in speaking her mind. ;) That is for sure ... (It's all the adrenilin from those marathons .... ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 17 13:37:06 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:37:06 +0000 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Feb 17, 96 00:50:18 am Message-ID: > On Blue Oyster Cult remake: > And Robbie Kreiger plays an > excellent solo at the end too. Ah! That's one of the Kreiger guitar bits--I'll have to go back and listen to it. > On vinyl vs. CD: > I like digital because it's a lot easier to work with. It's a more > durable format. LPs and tapes gett worn and messed up after awhile. But I > think there's too much error correction going on in all digital formats. In > a way, from an audiophile's perspective digital has a ways to go to match > the repoduction quality of the finest analog audio equipment. Unfortunately > neither I nor most people on this list would invest in such gear. Certainly > from a recordist's view it's out of my range. Digital - more bang per buck! I would concur that digital has yet to come of age (50 years from now, I'm sure there'll be a cult CD following ("Man, like, CDs just sound _warmer_ than datachips, you know?" ;) And I would also concur that it's damn convienient! (Especially over cassettes--I can't stand them except as temporary storage to listen to things in m walkman, or necessary evils of live tape collecting. They just degrade too damn fast, and get damaged too easy.) ADATs are great for recording, though in end I would like to use something less reliant on a media with internal moving parts. I'm not familiar with hard-disk recording tech, but I would think that eventually something like a re-recordable CD would be pretty cool for recording studios. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 17 13:39:00 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:39:00 +0000 Subject: At the end of the day..... In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Feb 16, 96 09:12:04 pm Message-ID: > Deb ran 2 NYC marathons. One person she outran was David Lee Roth. Gee, and running would even give him a legit excuse to wear all that spandex ... Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 17 14:03:06 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 19:03:06 +0000 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: <960216130321_223793623@emout09.mail.aol.com> from "Rob Maerz" at Feb 16, 96 01:03:21 pm Message-ID: > >> >really, who cares that the boat left New Orleans in 1829 ? I think that > >> >the "morale" behind this is just that you can give so much power to > >> >an apparently meaningless phrase just by using the "proper rock > >> >intonation > > I think that the line is more important in a timeline aspect of the Imaginos > Saga...imagine a study of WWII with no reference to the dates of important > events... > some lyrics may appear to the naked eye as being meaningless, when they very > well may be misunderstood... Oh, I was never suggesting that the lyric was _meaningless_ (except when taken out of context, when, as has been pointed out, nearly all lyrics are meaningless ;) My story was merely intended to illustrate what happened when my old BOC-listening buddies and I _took_ the lyric out of context. It is a line that more or less jumps out of the song, and we had very little idea of what was going on in the story of Imaginos. We were sure it had meaning--it was delivered with such conviction, after all--but what that meaning might of been was not readily transparent. Really, in the end the point was: _Imaginos_ is really a timeless and facinating album. Where else can you here such a bizarre line as "My boat left New Orleans in 1829" (which I don't think, true to usual Pearlman form, rhymed with the other lines--another break in "standard rock" tradition :) belted out with such forceful "rock intonation" and know that somewhere deep within the story it _has_ a reason for being set up the way it was? It's one of the lines that sticks with me from the album for some bizarre reason ... usually the lines that stick with me do so because the engage my imagination and set my mind to try and at least draw aside the veil of mystery and illusion that surrounds the story. >From "I am the One ...": "... his hilly eyes, and too green rings ..." OK, the hilly eyes are weird, true. But it's the "*too* green rings" that gets me. I'm of course, risking deportation to Cygnus by quoting the lyric book like this ;) but when I read the lyrics I saw that the rings were _too_ green, rather than there being _two_ of these green rings. Far out. Rings which are a lot more green than they have a right to be. A great image, to my mind. >From BOC: "We understand, we understand, we understand ..." Something that few fans who've studied the story can say, I think ;) I great a great eerie feeling when I hear the description of this chattering on the tide. _They_understand_. Almost certainly one of those things Man Was Not Meant To Know ... >From Siege: "World Without End!" Ah! Such fabulous baroque Faustian imagery it conjures! No more need be said. >From Magna: "Grand-daughter! It's a foreign mirror taken from the jungle by crime!" Now that is a very weird thing to say. I _know_ the significance of the lyric, but it doesn't make it any less weird. The bizarre phrasing just makes it all the more disturbing. How many people do you know that generally discuss mirrors, foreign or domestic, that are lifted from rain forests by techniques of questionable legality? Totally strange. Immediately you know something, very very strange is going on. And Al's voice hinges on unwilling dementia here. Or incipient madness, anyway. Tremendous. the best lyric is the one that doesn't spell it > out for you and is open for interpretation...although thru interpretation, > you may be violating copyrights : ] As demonstrated above ;) Maybe I can hide-out from the copy-right cops in Kazakstan ... ;) Cheers, Carl From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Fri Feb 16 11:51:00 1996 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:51:00 -0500 Subject: Imaginos songs - Rage for Order Message-ID: I can't believe I've let myself become a lurker here, what with all this awesome discussion of Imaginos swingin' into high gear. So I am forcing myself today to find the time dammit and get in on this..... I liked the imaginos version of Astronomy right from the start when I first got the album. I was having a hard time figuring out some of the lyrics and for me it was a nice little oasis halfway through the album where I could let down my guard and sing along, yet still it was new all new for me. Although Eric is one of my fave vocalists of all time, I was glad to see Buck singing this version. Had Eric sang it there would have been even more comparison to the original version, I think of them as Buck's version and Eric's version. As for the Tune "Imaginos", this was still a hard one for me for a long time. This song just left me flat, it's just no way to end such a great album. But going right along with my theory that songs take on a different flavor depending on what song precedes it and what song follows it on an album: For example, Astronomy (74) sounds GREAT after flaming telepaths but would it have been equally touted had it fallen in between Light years of love and Beat 'em up? No. Same song, yet the placement has alot to do with it. Anyway, getting back to Imaginos. I have a certain order I always program my CD player in whenever I listen to the album. In the liner notes it has Imaginos: The Songs. Written and the songs appear in this order... ------------- Les Invisibles Imaginos Del Rio's Song Blue Oyster Cult I am the one you warned me of The Siege and Investiture of Baron...... In The Presence of another world Astronomy Magna of Illusion ------------- At first I thought that they were merely a random order tossed into the liner notes until I noticed in the Imaginos "story" that it referred to Magna of Illusion as "The Last Song In The Cycle". So I REALLY listened to the whole album in this new order and it really sounded better to me, it had more of a finale to me. This also helped me like the song Imaginos much more, as it had some other songs to use as crutches on either side of it. Trust old Torgo, and give it a try. But be forewarned, I might not know what I'm saying and I could just be nutz.... Torgo has left the building... robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com "While the bird called Buzzardo rattled the bones he picked the flesh from" - S. Pearlman & A. Bouchard From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Sat Feb 17 21:05:25 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:05:25 -0800 Subject: Just to get a few things off my chest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Brand, > > MHOs: > Club Ninja is "not so good" > Alanis is overhyped and shrill > "Flaming Telepaths" is the perfect BOC song > Club Ninja IS "Not so good", but you need to understand that it is a poor showing for BOC because the hard-edged lyrics that positively shriek of their originality aren't there. Musically=good, lyrically=bad. As to Flaming Telepaths . . . we all have our favorite (D&S is mine - because it grows with the group). - Passerby From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Sat Feb 17 23:44:37 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 23:44:37 -0500 Subject: Workshop Of The Telescopes... Message-ID: Here's an interesting anecdote: Received a call at the office early Friday afternoon from a customer having a few technical difficulties with one of our products. Spent the better part of a half hour working through what eventually turned out to be a configuration problem. Often when we spend more than a couple minutes on the phone with someone, we'll end up talking about more than just the hardware, and getting to know the client, as it always seems to help in future situations... Got onto the subject of music, and mentioned that I had just pulled off three BOC shows in about a week, and he mentioned that he used to be a big BOC fan a few years back, and wondered what the band was up to these days. I brought him up to speed on the latest tour, and the rapidly growing Internet/AOL community devoted entirely to the band, and he seemed both amused & interested. Gave him my e-mail address at home, and said the appropriate farewell... This call was from the University Of Hawaii Infrared Telescope Facility, Hilo, Hawaii... The Workshop Of The Telescopes... Hmmmm... The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Sat Feb 17 23:44:37 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 23:44:37 -0500 Subject: Imaginos songs - Rage for Order Message-ID: Robert: Welcome back, then... >Anyway, getting back to Imaginos. I have a certain order >I always program my CD player in whenever I listen to the >album. In the liner notes it has Imaginos: The Songs. >Written and the songs appear in this order... >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Les Invisibles >Imaginos >Del Rio's Song >Blue Oyster Cult >I am the one you warned me of >The Siege and Investiture of Baron...... >In The Presence of another world >Astronomy >Magna of Illusion >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- >At first I thought that they were merely a random order tossed >into the liner notes until I noticed in the Imaginos "story" that it >referred to Magna of Illusion as "The Last Song In The Cycle". >So I REALLY listened to the whole album in this new order and >it really sounded better to me, it had more of a finale to me. >This also helped me like the song Imaginos much more, as it >had some other songs to use as crutches on either side of it. I've been playing it this way for some time, as it made sense to plop the tracks in their 'correct' order. I've been chafing of late to lay all the tracks supposedly encompassing the entire Imaginos saga down on tape in order, as put forth in John's magnificent faq. Anyone done this yet? How many minutes long? Does it come across as well as I expect it would? Please enlighten me...before I lock myself in my office & begin taping... The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Feb 18 06:52:04 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:52:04 +0100 Subject: HW: gig-list Part 1 Message-ID: Hi folks Here is the updated HAWKWIND giglist (17.02.1996) Notting Hill All Saints Hall 29.8.69 Fri = =20 Notting Hill All Saints Hall 26.9.69 Fri = =20 London Blaises Club 10.10.69 Fri = =20 London Pheasantry 18.10.69 Sat = =20 Twickenham Eel Pie Island 24.10.69 Fri = =20 Notting Hill All Saints Hall 30.10.69 Thu = =20 Watford Town Hall 1.11.69 Sat = =20 Notting Hill All Saints Hall 6.11.69 Thu = =20 London Town Hall 9.11.69 Sun = =20 London Marquee 24.11.69 Mon = =20 Haverstock Hill Country Club 4.12.69 Thu = =20 London Revolution Club 16.12.69 Tue = =20 London Conway Hall 18.12.69 Thu = =20 Chelmsford Civic Theatre 21.12.69 Sun = =20 St.Pancras Town Hall 23.12.69 Tue = =20 London Blaises Club 30.12.69 Tue = =20 London Blarney Club 9.1.70 Fri = =20 London Blarney Club 16.1.70 Fri = =20 London Temple 24.1.70 Sat = =20 London Blaises Club 26.1.70 Mon = =20 Notting Hill All Saints Hall 28.1.70 Wed = =20 London Blarney Club 29.1.70 Thu = =20 London Polytechnik 30.1.70 Fri = =20 Marylebone Club 100 5.2.70 Thu = =20 Bracknell Bridge House 9.2.70 Mon = =20 London Roundhouse 15.2.70 Sun = =20 Marylebone Club 100 17.2.70 Tue = =20 London Speakeasy Club 18.2.70 Wed = =20 Aylesbury Friars Club 23.2.70 Mon = =20 London New Arts Lab 27.2.70 Fri = =20 Dagenham Robin Hood 1.3.70 Sun = =20 Nags Head High Wycombe 6.3.70 Fri = =20 Plymouth Van Dike Club 7.3.70 Sat = =20 London Joints Club 11.3.70 Wed = =20 Aylesbury Friars Club 13.3.70 Fri = =20 Bishops Stortfort College 14.3.70 Sat = =20 Chelsea College 15.3.70 Sun = =20 Paris Festival 29.3.70 Sun = =20 London Speakeasy Club 6.4.70 Mon = =20 London Roundhouse 12.4.70 Sun = =20 Hemel Pavillon 15.4.70 Wed = =20 London Pheasantry 18.4.70 Sat = =20 Thaxted barn Club 25.4.70 Sat = =20 London Railway Tavern 26.4.70 Sun = =20 Folkestone Tafts Club 9.5.70 Sat = =20 London School Of Economics 16.5.70 Sat = =20 Blackpool Casino 21.5.70 Thu = =20 Brighton Dome 22.5.70 Fri = =20 Port Talbot Festival 23.5.70 Sat = =20 London Roundhouse 24.5.70 Sun = =20 Kingston Polytechnik 30.5.70 Sat = =20 London Night Angel 16.6.70 Tue = =20 Mantorps Festival 20.6.70 Sat = =20 Bath Festival 26.6.70 Fri = =20 Bath Festival 27.6.70 Sat = =20 Croydon Star Hotel 10.7.70 Fri = =20 London Country Club 19.7.70 Sun = =20 London Church Hall 1.8.70 Sat = =20 London Lyceum 2.8.70 Sun = =20 Durham Winterland Ballroom 8.8.70 Sat = =20 Norwich Earlham Park 14.8.70 Fri = =20 London Maida Vale 18.8.70 Tue = =20 Wormwood Festival 22.8.70 Sun = =20 Isle Of Wight Festival 27.8.70 Thu = =20 Isle Of Wight Festival 28.8.70 Fri = =20 Isle Of Wight Festival 29.8.70 Sat = =20 Isle Of Wight Festival 30.8.70 Sun = =20 Isle Of Wight Festival 31.8.70 Mon = =20 London Lyceum 6.9.70 Sun = =20 Pilton Worthy Farm 19.9.70 Sat = =20 London At Ronnies 5.10.70 Mon = =20 London Fagins Club 7.10.70 Wed = =20 Liverpool University 9.10.70 Fri = =20 Stratford Centre 11.10.70 Sun = =20 Islington Pied Bull 18.10.70 Sun = =20 Uxbridge Acid Palace 22.10.70 Thu = =20 London Polytechnic 23.10.70 Fri = =20 Letchworth Seven The Leys 26.10.70 Mon = =20 Salisbury Barnet College 28.10.70 Wed = =20 Birmingham Downstairs Club 30.10.70 Fri = =20 Southampton Teaching College 31.10.70 Sat = =20 London Paris Cinema 5.11.70 Thu = =20 Epping Wake Arms 7.11.70 Sat = =20 Birmingham Mothers Club 8.11.70 Sun = =20 London Country Club 12.11.70 Thu = =20 Wycombe Town Hall 14.11.70 Sat = =20 Chelmsford Eyes Club 15.11.70 Sun = =20 London Pullinger Centre 27.11.70 Fri = =20 Northampton Blisworth Hotel 29.11.70 Sun = =20 London Temple 11.12.70 Fri = =20 London Roundhouse 13.12.70 Sun = =20 Maidston Technical College 17.12.70 Thu = =20 Letchworth Leys 20.12.70 Sun = =20 Chelmsford Eyes Club 3.1.71 Sun = =20 Slough College 8.1.71 Fri = =20 Hatfield Breaks 10.1.71 Sun = =20 London Marquee 26.1.71 Tue = =20 London Harrow Inn 12.2.71 Fri = =20 Colchester Technical College 19.2.71 Fri = =20 Epping Wake Arms 21.2.71 Sun = =20 Haverstock Hill Country Club 23.2.71 Tue = =20 Canterbury Darwin College 25.2.71 Thu = =20 London Red Lion 26.2.71 Fri = =20 Bromley Technical College 27.2.71 Sat = =20 Lincoln Theatre Royal 1.3.71 Mon = =20 London Porchester Hall 4.3.71 Thu = =20 Nottingham Polytechnic 5.3.71 Fri = =20 Malvern Winter Gardens 9.3.71 Tue = =20 London University 12.3.71 Fri = =20 Bloomsbury College 13.3.71 Sat = =20 Stevenage Powens House 14.3.71 Sun = =20 Liverpool Stadium 20.3.71 Sat = =20 London Marquee 22.3.71 Mon = =20 London Technical College 25.3.71 Thu = =20 Kingston Coronation Hall 2.4.71 Fri = =20 Epping Wake Arms 3.4.71 Sat = =20 London Country Club 7.4.71 Wed = =20 Holborn Cornway Hall 9.4.71 Fri = =20 London Roundhouse 12.4.71 Mon = =20 Redruth Flamingo 15.4.71 Thu = =20 Penzance Winter Gardens 16.4.71 Fri = =20 Watford Kingham Hall 17.4.71 Sat = =20 Romford Youth House 18.4.71 Sun = =20 London Playhouse Theatre 19.4.71 Mon = =20 Wood Green Nightingale 20.4.71 Tue = =20 London Polytechnik 21.4.71 Wed = =20 Hull Brickhouse 22.4.71 Thu = =20 London Conway Hall 23.4.71 Fri = =20 London UPS Benefit 27.4.71 Tue = =20 Penzance St. Michels Mount 28.4.71 Wed = =20 London Roundhouse 2.5.71 Sun = =20 London Sisters Club 14.5.71 Fri = =20 London Elm Park Hotel 17.5.71 Mon = =20 London Maida Vale 19.5.71 Wed = =20 Blackpool Casino 21.5.71 Fri = =20 London Roundhouse 24.5.71 Mon = =20 Cambridge Corn Exchange 25.5.71 Sun = =20 London Sisters Club 26.5.71 Wed = =20 London Sisters Club 27.5.71 Thu = =20 London Town Hall 28.5.71 Fri = =20 London Sisters Club 28.5.71 Fri = =20 Berlin Waldb=FChne 1.6.71 Tue = =20 Darmstadt Otto Bernte Halle 4.6.71 Fri = =20 D=FCsseldorf Philips Halle 6.6.71 Sun = =20 Romford Youth House 17.6.71 Thu = =20 Waltham Forrest Polytechnic 19.6.71 Sat = =20 London Nightingale 22.6.71 Tue = =20 Glastonbury Worthy Farm 23.6.71 Wed = =20 London Marquee 28.6.71 Fri = =20 Southall Northcote Arms 16.7.71 Fri = =20 London Temple 17.7.71 Sat = =20 York Museum Gardens 18.7.71 Sun = =20 London Country Club 24.7.71 Sat = =20 Croydon Greyhound 25.7.71 Sun = =20 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 26.7.71 Mon = =20 London Marquee 27.7.71 Tue = =20 Twickenham Winning Post 28.7.71 Wed = =20 London Under The Arches 31.7.71 Sat = =20 Northampton Park Festival 1.8.71 Sun = =20 Crawley Starlight Club 3.8.71 Tue = =20 Bedford Corn Exchange 4.8.71 Wed = =20 London Under The Arches 7.8.71 Sat = =20 London Red Lion 8.8.71 Sun = =20 High Wycombe Town Hall 14.8.71 Sat = =20 Windsor 1832 Club 17.8.71 Tue = =20 London Town Hall 20.8.71 Fri = =20 Truro Tregye Festival 21.8.71 Sat = =20 London Under The Arches 28.8.71 Sat = =20 London Powis Square 1.9.71 wed = =20 London Imperial College 3.9.71 Fri = =20 Bedford Corn Exchange 4.9.71 Sat = =20 London Country Club 8.9.71 Wed = =20 Slough Community Centre 10.9.71 Fri = =20 Watford Kingham Hall 11.9.71 Sat = =20 Duddleswell Festival 11.9.71 Sat = =20 Bexley Black Prince 19.9.71 Sun = =20 Tottenham Spiders Club 23.9.71 Thu = =20 Wimbledon Hobbits Garden 24.9.71 Fri = =20 Greenford Oldfield Tavern 2.10.71 Sat = =20 Southall Northcote Arms 3.10.71 Sun = =20 Letchworth Seven The Leys 6.10.71 Wed = =20 Slough Community Centre 8.10.71 Fri = =20 St.Pancras Town Hall 10.10.71 Sun = =20 Potters Bar Youth Centre 16.10.71 Sat = =20 London Krypt 20.10.71 Wed = =20 Bradford St.Georges Hall 22.10.71 Fri = =20 Cambridge Dorothy Ballroom 27.10.71 Wed = =20 Tolworth Toby Jack 28.10.71 Thu = =20 London Harrow Inn 29.10.71 Fri = =20 Southampton Teaching College 31.10.71 Sun = =20 London Surrey Rooms 1.11.71 Mon = =20 London University College 6.11.71 Sat = =20 Walthamstow College 13.11.71 Sat = =20 Chatham Central Hall 18.11.71 Thu = =20 Middlesex Technical College 19.11.71 Fri = =20 Luton College 20.11.71 Sat = =20 Swansea University 26.11.71 Fri = =20 Ewell Polytechnic 27.11.71 Sat = =20 London Town Hall 2.12.71 Thu = =20 Birmingham Kinetic Playground 3.12.71 Fri = =20 Boston Starlight Rooms 4.12.71 Sat = =20 Manchester Trade Hall 5.12.71 Sun = =20 Glasgow 7.12.71 Tue = =20 Aberdeen Cowdray Hall 8.12.71 Wed = =20 Leytonstone Chez Club 10.12.71 Fri = =20 Devices Starkers Club 11.12.71 Sat = =20 Bracknell Sports Centre 18.12.71 Sat = =20 Croydon Greyhound 19.12.71 Sun = =20 Paris Olympia 20.12.71 Mon = =20 Canterbury St.Thomas Hall 22.12.71 Wed = =20 London Seymour Hall 23.12.71 Thu = =20 Wallington Public Hall 30.12.71 Thu = =20 Canterbury St.Thomas Hall 8.1.72 Sat = =20 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 10.1.72 Mon = =20 Slough Community Centre 14.1.72 Fri = =20 Barnstaple Queensway Hall 21.1.72 Fri = =20 Bognor Rex Ballroom 26.1.72 Wed = =20 Farnborough Open Road 29.1.72 Sat = =20 Colchester Technical College 1.2.72 Tue = =20 London Bumpers 2.2.72 Wed = =20 New Cross Goldsmith College 11.2.72 Fri = =20 Watford Technical College 12.2.72 Sat = =20 London Roundhouse 13.2.72 Sun = =20 Glastonbury Town Hall 16.2.72 Wed = =20 Edinburgh Eldorado 18.2.72 Fri = =20 Redcar Redcar Jazz Club 20.2.72 Sun = =20 York University 25.2.72 Fri = =20 Croydon Greyhound 27.2.72 Sun = =20 Watford Town Hall 13.3.72 Mon = =20 Manchester Trade Hall 17.3.72 Fri = =20 Ramsgate 23.3.72 Thu = =20 Margate Dreamland Ballroom 24.3.72 Fri = =20 Dagenham Village Roundhouse 25.3.72 Sat = =20 Bristol Boobs Club 29.3.72 Wed = =20 Liverpool Stadium 1.4.72 Sat = =20 Aldermaston Festival 3.4.72 Mon = =20 London Under The Arches 4.4.72 Tue = =20 London Polytechnic 21.4.72 Fri = =20 Aylesbury Friars Club 22.4.72 Sat = =20 Bickershaw Festival 5.5.72 Fri = =20 Newcastle City Hall 10.5.72 Wed = =20 London Roundhouse 11.5.72 Thu = =20 Birmingham Town Hall 12.5.72 Fri = =20 Cambridge Corn Exchange 13.5.72 Sat = =20 Amsterdam Paradiso 19.5.72 Fri = =20 D=FCsseldorf Festival 20.5.72 Sat = =20 Berlin Waldb=FChne 21.5.72 Sun = =20 Rom Festival 23.5.72 Tue = =20 Triest Festival 24.5.72 Wed = =20 Devizes Poperama 2.6.72 Fri = =20 Dagenham Village Roundhouse 3.6.72 Sat = =20 Bath Arts Festival 4.6.72 Sun = =20 Kings Cross Cinema 9.6.72 Fri = =20 Oxford Polytechnic 10.6.72 Sat = =20 Brighton University 11.6.72 Sun = =20 Glastonbury Festival 22.6.72 Thu = =20 Trentishoe Festival 28.6.72 Wed = =20 Sheffield University 29.6.72 Thu = =20 Wellingborough Rock 1.7.72 Sat = =20 Guildford Civic Hall 2.7.72 Sun = =20 Norwich St.Andrews Hall 3.7.72 Mon = =20 Dunstable Civic Hall 7.7.72 Fri = =20 Cheltenham Park Festival 8.7.72 Sat = =20 Kingston Polytechnik 8.7.72 Sat = =20 Kingston Polytechnik 9.7.72 Sun = =20 Bristol Locarno 10.7.72 Mon = =20 Cheltenham Sandford Mills Park 15.7.72 Sat = =20 Boscombe Royal Ballroom 20.7.72 Thu = =20 Southampton Guild Hall 21.7.72 Fri = =20 London Rainbow 23.7.72 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12.12.76 Sun = =20 Bracknell Sports Centre 18.12.76 Sat = =20 London Lewisham Odeon 19.12.76 Sun = =20 From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Feb 18 06:52:35 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:52:35 +0100 Subject: HW: gig-list Part 3 Message-ID: London Roundhouse 27.2.77 Sun = =20 Amsterdam Paradiso 11.3.77 Fri = =20 Hoensbroek Luxor Palace 12.3.77 Sat = =20 Vlaardingen Lijnbaanhallen 13.3.77 Sun = =20 Dortmund Westfalenhalle 14.3.77 Mon = =20 Hamburg Markthalle 15.3.77 Tue = =20 K=F6ln Sartorysaal 16.3.77 Wed = =20 Essen Aula der PH 17.3.77 Thu = =20 Kassel Stadthalle 18.3.77 Fri = =20 Holzminden Stadthalle 19.3.77 Sat = =20 Berlin Kant Kino 20.3.77 Sun = =20 Berlin Kant Kino 21.3.77 Mon = =20 Besancon Palais des Sportes 21.4.77 Thu = =20 Lyon Bourse du Travail 22.4.77 Fri = =20 Paris Salle Pleyel 23.4.77 Sat = =20 Reims Opera 25.4.77 Mon = =20 Rubaix Le Colisee 26.4.77 Tue = =20 Birmingham Town Hall 3.6.77 Fri = =20 Preston Guild Hall 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Festival 20.6.82 Sun = =20 Castle Donnington Monsters Of Rock 21.8.82 Sat = =20 Hitchin Regal 14.10.82 Thu = =20 Hitchin Regal 15.10.82 Fri = =20 Manchester Apollo 16.10.82 Sat = =20 Preston Guild Hall 17.10.82 Sun = =20 Liverpool Empire 18.10.82 Mon = =20 Glasgow Apollo 19.10.82 Tue = =20 Edinburgh Playhouse 21.10.82 Thu = =20 Aberdeen Capitol 22.10.82 Fri = =20 Newcastle City Hall 23.10.82 Sat = =20 Bradford St.Georges Hall 24.10.82 Sun = =20 Sheffield City Hall 25.10.82 Mon = =20 Nottingham Rock City 26.10.82 Tue = =20 Birmingham Odeon 27.10.82 Wed = =20 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 28.10.82 Thu = =20 St.Albans City Hall 30.10.82 Sat = =20 Bristol Colston Hall 31.10.82 Sun = =20 Southampton Gaumont 1.11.82 Mon = =20 Hanley Victoria Hall 3.11.82 Wed = =20 Dunstable Queensway Hall 4.11.82 Thu = =20 Norwich University 5.11.82 Fri = =20 Ipswich Gaumont 6.11.82 Sat = =20 Leicester DeMontfort Hall 7.11.82 Sun = =20 Tunbridge Wells Assembly Hall 9.11.82 Tue = =20 Folkestone Leas Cliff Hall 10.11.82 Wed = =20 Guildford Civic Hall 11.11.82 Thu = =20 London Hammersmith Odeon 12.11.82 Fri = =20 London Hammersmith Odeon 13.11.82 Sat = =20 Oxford Apollo 14.11.82 Sun = =20 Chippenham Goldiggers Club 15.11.82 Mon = =20 From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Feb 18 06:52:49 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:52:49 +0100 Subject: HW: gig-list Part 4 Message-ID: Bradford St.Georges Hall 9.2.83 Wed = =20 Dunstable Queensway Hall 10.2.83 Thu = =20 Leicester University 11.2.83 Fri = =20 Sheffield University 12.2.83 Sat = =20 London Hammersmith Palais 13.2.83 Sun = =20 St.Helens Theatre Royal 15.2.83 Tue = =20 Nottingham Royal Centre 16.2.83 Wed = =20 Cricket St.Thomas Wildlife Park 4.6.83 Sat = =20 Stonehenge Festival 22.6.83 Wed = =20 Milton Keynes Woughton Centre 3.9.83 Sat = =20 Slough Thames Hall 16.2.84 Thu = =20 Birmingham Odeon 17.2.84 Fri = =20 Liverpool Empire 18.2.84 Sat = =20 Manchester Apollo 19.2.84 Sun = =20 Preston Guild Hall 20.2.84 Mon = =20 Sheffield City Hall 21.2.84 Tue = =20 Newcastle City Hall 22.2.84 Wed = =20 Edinburgh Playhouse 23.2.84 Thu = =20 Aberdeen Capitol 24.2.84 Fri = =20 Dundee University 25.2.84 Sat = =20 Glasgow Apollo 26.2.84 Sun = =20 Hull City Hall 27.2.84 Mon = =20 Middlesborough Town Hall 28.2.84 Tue = =20 Halifax City Hall 29.2.84 Wed = =20 Bradford University 1.3.84 Thu = =20 Hanley Victoria Hall 2.3.84 Fri = =20 Nottingham Sherwood Rooms 3.3.84 Sat = =20 Folkestone Leas Cliff Hall 5.3.84 Mon = =20 Crawley Leisure Centre 6.3.84 Tue = =20 Portsmouth Guild Hall 7.3.84 Wed = =20 Dunstable Queensway Hall 8.3.84 Thu = =20 Ipswich Gaumont 9.3.84 Fri = =20 Reading University 10.3.84 Sat = =20 Leicester DeMontfort Hall 11.3.84 Sun = =20 London Hammersmith Odeon 13.3.84 Tue = =20 London Hammersmith Odeon 14.3.84 Wed = =20 Guildford Civic Hall 15.3.84 Thu = =20 Cardiff St.Davids Hall 16.3.84 Fri = =20 Oxford Apollo 17.3.84 Sat = =20 Bristol Colston Hall 18.3.84 Sun = =20 Bath Pavillon 19.3.84 Mon = =20 Southend Cliffs Pavillon 20.3.84 Tue = =20 Southampton Gaumont 21.3.84 Wed = =20 Swansea University 22.3.84 Thu = =20 Plymouth Skating Ring 23.3.84 Fri = =20 Brighton Sea-Con 22.4.84 Sun = =20 Ramsgate Marina Park 28.5.84 Mon = =20 Stonehenge Festival 20.6.84 Wed = =20 Stonehenge Festival 21.6.84 Thu = =20 Stonehenge Festival 22.6.84 Fri = =20 Montgomery Festival 6.7.84 Fri = =20 Amsterdam Melkweg 31.7.84 Tue = =20 Amsterdam Melkweg 1.8.84 Wed = =20 Amsterdam Weylingen 2.8.84 Thu = =20 Warrington Spectrum 16.11.84 Fri = =20 Cardiff University 17.11.84 Sat = =20 Dunstable Queensway Hall 18.11.84 Sun = =20 Derby Assembly Rooms 19.11.84 Mon = =20 Leicester M R Keisas 20.11.84 Tue = =20 Newcastle Mayfair 21.11.84 Wed = =20 Slough Fulcrum Centre 23.11.84 Fri = =20 St.Albans City Hall 24.11.84 Sat = =20 Norwich University 25.11.84 Sun = =20 Ipswich Gaumont 26.11.84 Mon = =20 Sheffield University 27.11.84 Tue = =20 Stoke On Trent Kings Hall 28.11.84 Wed = =20 Worthing 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Wirrina 6.12.86 Sat = =20 Dunstable Queensway Hall 7.12.86 Sun = =20 Reading Majestic Club 8.12.86 Mon = =20 Bournemouth Academy 9.12.86 Tue = =20 Wien Fritz 23.5.87 Sat = =20 N=FCrnberg Zabolinde 24.5.87 Sun = =20 Esslingen Music & Action 25.5.87 Mon = =20 Frankfurt Batschkapp 26.5.87 Tue = =20 K=F6ln Luxor 27.5.87 Wed = =20 Detmold Hunky Dory 28.5.87 Thu = =20 Haltern Old Daddy 29.5.87 Fri = =20 Hamburg Knopf's Music Hall 30.5.87 Sat = =20 Bochum Zeche 31.5.87 Sun = =20 Bristol Studio 3.8.87 Mon = =20 Southampton Top Rank 4.8.87 Tue = =20 Cardiff Rizzy 5.8.87 Wed = =20 Bramdean Festival 8.8.87 Sat = =20 Finsbury Park Acid Daze 23.8.87 Sun = =20 Brighton Festival 28.8.87 Fri = =20 Folkestone Leas Cliff Hall 11.9.87 Fri = =20 Dunstable Queensway Hall 12.9.87 Sat = =20 Nottingham Rock City 19.9.87 Sat = =20 Worchester Pitchcroft 26.9.87 Sat = =20 St.Albans City Hall 9.12.87 Wed = =20 Buckley Tivoli 10.12.87 Thu = =20 Leicester DeMontfort Hall 11.12.87 Fri = =20 Leeds Acid Daze 12.12.87 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Club 30.5.88 Mon = =20 Wick Festival 1.6.88 Wed = =20 Silchester Festival 5.6.88 Sun = =20 Brecon (HD) Festival 23.7.88 Sat = =20 Barnstaple (HD) Rock Festival 30.7.88 Sat = =20 Newquay (HD) Famous Firkin 2.8.88 Tue = =20 Penzance (HD) Festival 6.8.88 Sat = =20 Tewkesbury (HD) Festival 14.8.88 Sun = =20 Bodmin Festival 1.9.88 Thu = =20 Bristol Studio 11.9.88 Sun = =20 Tunbridge Wells Assembly Hall 12.9.88 Mon = =20 Bournemouth Academy 13.9.88 Tue = =20 Plymouth Academy 14.9.88 Wed = =20 Cheltenham Town Hall 17.9.88 Sat = =20 Leeds University 18.9.88 Sun = =20 Clyro Court 1.10.88 Sat = =20 Birmingham (HD) Kaleidoscope 14.11.88 Mon = =20 Camden (HD) Electric Ballroom 16.11.88 Wed = =20 Bournemouth Academy 28.11.88 Mon = =20 Keele University 29.11.88 Tue = =20 St.Albans City Hall 30.11.88 Wed = =20 Buckley Tivoli 1.12.88 Thu = =20 Sheffield Octagone 2.12.88 Fri = =20 Norwich University 3.12.88 Sat = =20 Birmingham Powerhouse 4.12.88 Sun = =20 Liverpool Empire 5.12.88 Mon = =20 Edinburgh Playhouse 6.12.88 Tue = =20 Nottingham Rock City 7.12.88 Wed = =20 Manchester Apollo 8.12.88 Thu = =20 Leeds University 9.12.88 Fri = =20 Leicester University 10.12.88 Sat = =20 Northampton Kamikazi 11.12.88 Sun = =20 Bristol Colston Hall 12.12.88 Mon = =20 Newport Centre 13.12.88 Tue = =20 London Hammersmith Odeon 14.12.88 Wed = =20 London Town & Country Club 15.12.88 Thu = =20 Birmingham (HD) Kaleidoscope 27.2.89 Mon = =20 Brixton Academy 5.3.89 Sun = =20 Bridport Beehive 10.3.89 Fri = =20 Leeds (HD) Phoenix Club 15.3.89 Wed = =20 Bristol (HD) Bierkeller 20.3.89 Mon = =20 Bath (HD) Langarce Hall 20.4.89 Thu = =20 Finsbury Park (HD) George Robey 23.4.89 Sun = =20 Wallsall (HD) Junction 10 23.5.89 Tue = =20 St.Albans City Hall 2.6.89 Fri = =20 Woolwich Coronet 3.6.89 Sat = =20 Salisbury City Hall 4.6.89 Sun = =20 Folkestone Leas Cliff Hall 5.6.89 Mon = =20 Nottingham Rock City 7.6.89 Wed = =20 Worthing Assembly Hall 8.6.89 Thu = =20 Manchester International 9.6.89 Fri = =20 Glastonbury Festival 20.6.89 Tue = =20 Treworgey Tree Fayre Festival 29.7.89 Sat = =20 Newquay (HD) Famous Firkin 5.8.89 Sat = =20 Brixton Academy 3.9.89 Sun = =20 Clyro Court 16.9.89 Sat = =20 Toronto Diamond 24.9.89 Sun = =20 Washington Bayou 26.9.89 Tue = =20 Sommerville Johnny D's 27.9.89 Wed = =20 New York New Ritz 28.9.89 Thu = =20 Ardmore 23 East Cabaret 29.9.89 Fri = =20 Cleveland Phantasy Club 30.9.89 Sat = =20 Chicago Lounge Axe 1.10.89 Sun = =20 Milwaukee Odd Rock Cafe 3.10.89 Tue = =20 Minneapolis First Avenue 4.10.89 Wed = =20 San Francisco Stone 7.10.89 Sat = =20 Santa Clara One Step Beyond 9.10.89 Mon = =20 Los Angeles Palace 10.10.89 Tue = =20 San Diego Bacchanal 12.10.89 Thu = =20 Bournemouth Academy 29.11.89 Wed = =20 Hemel Pavillon 30.11.89 Thu = =20 Norwich University 1.12.89 Fri = =20 Leeds University 2.12.89 Sat = =20 Sheffield University 3.12.89 Sun = =20 Keele University 4.12.89 Mon = =20 Liverpool Royal Court 5.12.89 Tue = =20 Preston Guild Hall 6.12.89 Wed = =20 London Hammersmith Odeon 7.12.89 Thu = =20 London Hammersmith Odeon 8.12.89 Fri = =20 Cardiff St.Davids Hall 10.12.89 Sun = =20 Bristol Colston Hall 11.12.89 Mon = =20 Manchester Apollo 12.12.89 Tue = =20 Edinburgh Usher Hall 13.12.89 Wed = =20 Cambridge Corn Exchange 14.12.89 Thu = =20 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 15.12.89 Fri = =20 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 16.12.89 Sat = =20 Croydon Fairfields Hall 17.12.89 Sun = =20 Plymouth Warehouse 18.12.89 Mon = =20 From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Feb 18 06:53:03 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:53:03 +0100 Subject: HW: gig-list Part 5 Message-ID: Nottingham Lenton Lane Studios 25.1.90 Thu = =20 Bridport Beehive 4.5.90 Fri = =20 London Finsbury Park 19.5.90 Sat = =20 Glastonbury Festival 23.6.90 Sat = =20 Glastonbury Festival 24.6.90 Sun = =20 Bournemouth Academy 2.7.90 Mon = =20 Brighton Festival 19.8.90 Sun = =20 Brixton Academy 1.9.90 Sat = =20 Leeds University 13.10.90 Sat = =20 Hull City Hall 14.10.90 Sun = =20 Nottingham Rock City 16.10.90 Tue = =20 Newcastle Mayfair 18.10.90 Thu = =20 Redcar Coat & Bowl 19.10.90 Fri = =20 Edinburgh Playhouse 20.10.90 Sat = =20 Liverpool Royal Court 21.10.90 Sun = =20 Manchester Apollo 22.10.90 Mon = =20 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 24.10.90 Wed = =20 Preston Guild Hall 25.10.90 Thu = =20 Sheffield Polytechnic 26.10.90 Fri = =20 Croydon Fairfields Hall 27.10.90 Sat = =20 Cambridge Corn Exchange 28.10.90 Sun = =20 Reading University 30.10.90 Tue = =20 Hemel Pavillon 31.10.90 Wed = =20 Newport Leisure Centre 1.11.90 Thu = =20 Hanley Victoria Hall 2.11.90 Fri = =20 Colchester University 3.11.90 Sat = =20 Bristol Colston Hall 4.11.90 Sun = =20 Leicester DeMontfort Hall 5.11.90 Mon = =20 London Hammersmith Odeon 6.11.90 Tue = =20 Brighton The Event 7.11.90 Wed = =20 Exeter St.Georges Hall 8.11.90 Thu = =20 Southampton Mayflower 9.11.90 Fri = =20 Norwich University 10.11.90 Sat = =20 Boston Channel Club 28.11.90 Wed = =20 Philadelphia Ambler 30.11.90 Fri = =20 New York Wetlands 1.12.90 Sat = =20 Washington Club 9:30 2.12.90 Sun = =20 Toronto Diamond 4.12.90 Tue = =20 Cleveland Empire 5.12.90 Wed = =20 Cleveland Empire 6.12.90 Thu = =20 Chicago Cubby Bear 7.12.90 Fri = =20 River Growe Thirsty Whale 8.12.90 Sat = =20 Milwaukee Shank Hall 9.12.90 Sun = =20 Minneapolis Glam Slam 11.12.90 Tue = =20 Denver Mercury Club 13.12.90 Thu = =20 Los Angeles Lingerie 15.12.90 Sat = =20 Oakland Omni 16.12.90 Sun = =20 San Francisco I - Beam 17.12.90 Mon = =20 Portland Day For Night 19.12.90 Wed = =20 Long Beach Bogarts 22.12.90 Sat = =20 Amsterdam Paradiso 12.3.91 Tue = =20 Tilburg Noorderligt 13.3.91 Wed = =20 K=F6ln Live Music Hall 14.3.91 Thu = =20 Berlin Extasy 15.3.91 Fri = =20 Hamburg Markthalle 16.3.91 Sat = =20 Bremen Modernes 17.3.91 Sun = =20 Osnabr=FCck Hyde Park 18.3.91 Mon = =20 Bochum Zeche 19.3.91 Tue = =20 Stuttgart Schinderhannes 20.3.91 Wed = =20 Mainz Kulturzentrum 21.3.91 Thu = =20 Kempten Allg=E4uhalle 22.3.91 Fri = 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Liverpool Royal Court 17.11.93 Wed = =20 Bradford University 18.11.93 Thu = =20 Glasgow Barrowlands 20.11.93 Sat = =20 Manchester Apollo 22.11.93 Mon = =20 London Kentishtown Forum 23.11.93 Tue = =20 Folkestone Leas Cliff Hall 24.11.93 Wed = =20 Worthing Assembly Hall 25.11.93 Thu = =20 Slough College 26.11.93 Fri = =20 Hastings Pier Pavillon 27.11.93 Sat = =20 Colchester Charter Hall 28.11.93 Sun = =20 L=FCttich Culturel Center 1.12.93 Wed = =20 K=F6ln Live Music Hall 2.12.93 Thu = =20 Hamburg Markthalle 3.12.93 Fri = =20 Berlin Huxley Junior 4.12.93 Sat = =20 N=FCrnberg L=F6wensaal 5.12.93 Sun = =20 M=FCnchen Gleis 1 6.12.93 Mon = =20 Stuttgart R=F6hre 7.12.93 Tue = =20 Leiden LVC 8.12.93 Wed = =20 Hengelo Metropool 9.12.93 Thu = =20 Haarlem Patronaat 10.12.93 Fri = =20 Den Bosch Willem 2 11.12.93 Sat = =20 St. Niklaas PRMC 12.12.93 Sun = =20 Dublin Tivoli Theatre 9.4.94 Sat = =20 Belfast Ulster Hall 10.4.94 Sun = =20 Tenby Valence Pavilon 12.4.94 Tue = =20 Manchester Rockworld 13.4.94 Wed = =20 Brixton Fridge 14.4.94 Thu = =20 Oxford Apollo 15.4.94 Fri = =20 Exeter St.Georges Hall 16.4.94 Sat = =20 Truro Town Hall 17.4.94 Sun = =20 Isle Of Man Summerland Complex 4.6.94 Sat = =20 Isle Of Man Promenade 5.6.94 Sun = =20 Bohnstedtfeld Waldheim Festival 15.7.94 Fri = =20 Salzburg Rockhaus 14.10.94 Fri = =20 Wien Rockhaus 15.10.94 Sat = =20 Genua Albatros 19.10.94 Wed = =20 Rom Palladium 20.10.94 Thu = =20 Florenz Auditorium 21.10.94 Fri = =20 Spilimbergo Rototon 22.10.94 Sat = =20 Turin 23.10.94 Sun = =20 Stuttgart Longhorn 25.10.94 Tue = =20 M=FCnchen Charterhalle 26.10.94 Wed = =20 N=FCrnberg L=F6wensaal 27.10.94 Thu = =20 Berlin Huxley's Neue Welt 28.10.94 Fri = =20 Aschaffenburg Klangwerk 30.10.94 Sun = =20 Osnabr=FCck Hyde Park 31.10.94 Mon = =20 Paris Le Plan 1.11.94 Tue = =20 Gent Vooruit 2.11.94 Wed = =20 Uden Nieuwe Pul 3.11.94 Thu = =20 Heino Zaal Struik 4.11.94 Fri = =20 Katwijk Scum 5.11.94 Sat = =20 Rotterdam Nighttown 6.11.94 Sun = =20 Bremen Aladin 8.11.94 Tue = =20 Copenhagen Alexander 9.11.94 Wed = =20 Stockholm Gino 10.11.94 Thu = =20 Hamburg Gro=DFe Freiheit 12.11.94 Sat = =20 K=F6ln Live Music Hall 13.11.94 Sun = =20 Toronto Phoenix 4.4.95 Tue = =20 St. Catherines Hideaway 5.4.95 Wed = =20 Buffalo Nietzsche's 6.4.95 Thu = =20 Cleveland Agora 7.4.95 Fri = =20 Springfield Jaxx 8.4.95 Sat = =20 New York Limelight 9.4.95 Sun = =20 New Haven Toad's Place 11.4.95 Tue = =20 Atlanta Masquerade 14.4.95 Fri = =20 Madison Barrymore Theatre 18.4.95 Tue = =20 Chicago Park West 19.4.95 Wed = =20 Milwaukee Shank Hall 20.4.95 Thu = =20 Boulder Fox Theatre 23.4.95 Sun = =20 San Francisco Slims 25.4.95 Tue = =20 Isle Of Man Festival 7.6.95 Wed = =20 Isle Of Man Festival 8.6.95 Thu = =20 London BBC Studio 27.7.95 Thu = =20 Pentrich Coneygrey Showground29.7.95 Sat = =20 Workington Carnagie Hall 11.10.95 Wed = =20 Glasgow Barrowlands 12.10.95 Thu = =20 Lancaster Sugar House 13.10.95 Fri = =20 Borehamwood Venue 14.10.95 Sat = =20 Liverpool Royal Court 15.10.95 Sun = =20 Manchester Academy 16.10.95 Mon = =20 Cirencester Corn Exchange 17.10.95 Tue = =20 Cardiff St.Davids Hall 18.10.95 Wed = =20 Bristol Colston Hall 19.10.95 Thu = =20 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 20.10.95 Fri = =20 Brixton Academy 21.10.95 Sat = =20 Portsmouth Guild Hall 23.10.95 Mon = =20 Hastings Pier Pavillon 24.10.95 Tue = =20 Bochum Zeche 26.10.95 Thu = =20 Hamburg Markthalle 27.10.95 Fri = =20 Berlin Marquee 28.10.95 Sat = =20 Erlangen E-Werk 29.10.95 Sun = =20 Br=FCssel La Luna 1.11.95 Wed = =20 Amsterdam Melkweg 2.11.95 Thu = =20 Rotterdam Night Town 3.11.95 Fri = =20 London Forum 22.12.95 Fri = =20 From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Feb 18 06:53:17 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:53:17 +0100 Subject: HW: tape-list Part 1 Message-ID: Hi folks Here is a list of all known HAWKWIND live tapes Port Talbot Festival 23.5.70 30 4 London Maida Vale 18.8.70 20 7 Colchester Technical College 19.2.71 55 5 London Playhouse Theatre 19.4.71 30 7 London Maida Vale 19.5.71 30 7 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 26.7.71 75 6 Potters Bar Youth Centre 16.10.71 55 8 Birmingham Kinetic Playground 3.12.71 80 7 Darmstadt Otto Bernte Halle 4.6.71 90 4 Paris Olympia 20.12.71 50 5 London Roundhouse 13.2.72 35 10 =20 Berlin Waldb=FChne 21.5.72 10 = 7 Trentishoe Festival 28.6.72 10 7 Dunstable Civic Hall 7.7.72 2 8 London Maida Vale 2.8.72 5 8 London Rainbow 13.8.72 10 7 Essen Gruga Halle 10.9.72 55 7 London Paris Cinema 28.9.72 55 10 =20 Brixton Sundown 30.12.72 115 7 Glasgow Apollo 9.2.73 90 5 D=FCsseldorf Philips Halle 24.2.73 100 = 6 Dublin National Stadium 10.3.73 100 6 London Stadium 27.5.73 50 8 Southampton Top Rank 25.7.73 100 7 Z=FCrich Volkshaus 12.10.73 100 = 6 New York Academy Of Music 25.11.73 100 7 Detroit Ford Auditorium 28.11.73 110 7 Newcastle City Hall 11.12.73 100 6 Glasgow Apollo 21.12.73 100 5 Oxford New Theatre 6.1.74 45 4 Clackton Town Hall 11.1.74 15 7 Bournemouth Winter Gardens 19.1.74 60 4 Edmonton Sundown 26.1.74 90 4 Dublin National Stadium 4.2.74 95 6 Philadelphia Tower Theatre 5.4.74 90 7 Harlow Park Festival 10.8.74 70 8 Paris Olympia 23.11.74 110 5 Marseille 29.11.74 90 5 Manchester Palace Theatre 14.12.74 60 4 Liverpool Stadium 18.1.75 105 6 London Roundhouse 16.2.75 90 7 Frick Festival 15.6.75 85 6 Touluse Festival 20.6.75 60 8 Glasgow Apollo 10.8.75 95 6 Reading Festival 22.8.75 105 6 Watchfield Festival 23.8.75 85 7 Lund Olympen 4.9.75 90 5 Maastricht Staargebouw 26.9.75 90 5 Stuttgart Gustav Siegle Haus 5.10.75 45 7 London Imperial College 6.3.76 80 6 Preston Guild Hall 14.3.76 105 6 Manchester Palace Theatre 18.9.76 85 6 Ipswich Gaumont 2.10.76 85 7 Leicester DeMontfort Hall 4.10.76 95 6 London Hammersmith Odeon 5.10.76 90 7 Southend Kursal 11.12.76 95 6 London Roundhouse 27.2.77 75 6 Amsterdam Paradiso 11.3.77 75 7 Paris Salle Pleyel 23.4.77 80 8 Bradford St.Georges Hall 7.6.77 90 7 Camden Music Machine 10.6.77 70 8 Camden Music Machine 11.6.77 80 7 Stonehenge Festival 21.6.77 50 9 Reading Festival 28.8.77 80 6 Manchester Palace Theatre 16.9.77 90 7 Newcastle City Hall 20.9.77 85 8 London Hammersmith Odeon 5.10.77 80 8 Reims Opera 1.11.77 80 7 Barnstaple Queensway Hall 23.12.77 45 7 New York Bottom Line 6.3.78 45 9 New York Bottom Line 6.3.78 50 7 Philadelphia Tower Theatre 17.3.78 60 7 Chicago Riverside Theatre 12.3.78 5 10 =20 Belleville Ricos Place 14.3.78 55 8 Los Angeles Starwood Club 24.3.78 60 7 San Francisco Old Waldorf 27.3.78 70 9 Oxford New Theatre 6.10.78 80 8 Liverpool Empire 8.10.78 90 5 London Hammersmith Odeon 13.10.78 80 8 Croydon Fairfields Hall 15.10.78 90 5 Leicester DeMontfort Hall 23.10.78 90 8 Paignton Festival Theatre 28.10.78 90 7 Illford Gants Hill Odeon 4.11.78 100 3 Reading Hexagon 5.11.78 100 7 Glasgow Apollo 15.11.78 90 7 Plymouth Polytechnic 23.11.78 45 10 =20 Uxbridge Brunel University 24.11.78 70 9 Leeds Festival 9.9.79 60 5 Manchester Apollo 15.11.79 80 6 Liverpool Empire 16.11.79 90 6 Edinburgh Odeon 17.11.79 90 7 Newcastle City Hall 19.11.79 85 7 Sheffield City Hall 20.11.79 90 8 London Hammersmith Odeon 2.12.79 90 6 Leicester DeMontfort Hall 3.12.79 90 8 Ipswich Gaumont 4.12.79 85 8 Brighton Centre 5.12.79 80 9 Preston Guild Hall 6.12.79 85 9 Uxbrigde Brunel University 7.12.79 85 7 St.Albans City Hall 8.12.79 85 8 Cardiff Sophia Gardens 9.12.79 60 7 Camden Electric Ballroom 29.12.79 85 7 Folkestone Leas Cliff Hall 12.7.80 80 9 London Lyceum 13.7.80 80 9 London Lyceum 20.7.80 60 7 Manchester Apollo 10.10.80 80 7 Liverpool Empire 11.10.80 55 9 Sheffield City Hall 13.10.80 90 6 Birmingham Odeon 14.10.80 90 6 Ipswich Gaumont 15.10.80 90 7 Oxford Apollo 19.10.80 80 8 Preston Guild Hall 20.10.80 80 8 Glasgow Apollo 21.10.80 80 7 Guildford University 31.10.80 80 8 London Hammersmith Odeon 2.11.80 60 8 London Hammersmith Odeon 3.11.80 90 7 Trefforest Town Hall 5.11.80 80 7 Chelmsford Odeon 6.11.80 60 9 Doncaster Rotters 10.11.80 70 8 Edinburgh Odeon 12.12.80 100 8 London Lewisham Odeon 18.12.80 100 8 From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Feb 18 06:53:24 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:53:24 +0100 Subject: HW: tape-list Part 2 Message-ID: Baden Baden Studio 14.2.81 10 8 Glastonbury Festival 20.6.81 70 9 Stonehenge Festival 19.6.81 70 6 North Devon Snapper Festival 29.8.81 80 8 Manchester Apollo 1.10.81 85 8 Leicester DeMontfort Hall 2.10.81 90 7 Liverpool Empire 4.10.81 80 6 Derby Assembly Rooms 5.10.81 90 7 Birmingham Odeon 6.10.81 95 6 Sheffield City Hall 7.10.81 10 9 Preston Guild Hall 8.10.81 75 7 Hull City Hall 12.10.81 90 6 Bradford St.Georges Hall 13.10.81 5 9 Coventry Theatre 15.10.81 100 4 Ipswich Gaumont 17.10.81 90 5 St.Albans City Hall 19.10.81 90 7 London Hammersmith Odeon 21.10.81 100 7 London Hammersmith Odeon 22.10.81 80 8 Southampton Gaumont 25.10.81 95 8 Bristol Colston Hall 26.10.81 80 7 Oxford New Theatre 27.10.81 95 8 Guildford Civic Hall 29.10.81 90 7 Maidstone Mid Kent Centre 16.12.81 55 8 London Rainbow 18.12.81 120 9 Hitchin Regal 5.3.82 85 9 Hamburg Markthalle 8.3.82 55 8 Bochum Zeche 9.3.82 45 5 Mannheim Rosengarten 13.3.82 45 7 W=FCrzburg Music Hall 14.3.82 55 = 8 Noordwykerhout De Schelft 21.3.82 90 8 Arnheim Stokvishal 22.3.82 85 8 Amsterdam Paradiso 23.3.82 85 8 St.Austell Benefit Festival 30.4.82 85 8 Wolverhampton Monmore Stadium 2.5.82 80 6 Stonehenge Festival 20.6.82 85 7 Castle Donnington Monsters Of Rock 21.8.82 60 7 Hitchin Regal 15.10.82 90 8 Hitchin Regal 14.10.82 45 8 Manchester Apollo 16.10.82 90 8 Preston Guild Hall 17.10.82 110 7 Liverpool Empire 18.10.82 100 7 Glasgow Apollo 19.10.82 45 9 Edinburgh Playhouse 21.10.82 100 8 Newcastle City Hall 23.10.82 100 8 Bradford St.Georges Hall 24.10.82 90 7 Sheffield City Hall 25.10.82 110 9 Birmingham Odeon 27.10.82 90 8 St.Albans City Hall 30.10.82 110 8 Bristol Colston Hall 31.10.82 110 8 Norwich University 5.11.82 100 8 Leicester DeMontfort Hall 7.11.82 45 8 Tunbridge Wells Assembly Hall 9.11.82 110 7 Folkestone Leas Cliff Hall 10.11.82 15 9 Guildford Civic Hall 11.11.82 110 8 London Hammersmith Odeon 12.11.82 120 9 London Hammersmith Odeon 13.11.82 120 7 Oxford Apollo 14.11.82 120 9 Chippenham Goldiggers Club 15.11.82 120 10 =20 Bradford St.Georges Hall 9.2.83 80 9 Dunstable Queensway Hall 10.2.83 90 9 Leicester University 11.2.83 90 8 Sheffield University 12.2.83 100 9 London Hammersmith Palais 13.2.83 90 8 St.Helens Theatre Royal 15.2.83 90 8 Nottingham Royal Centre 16.2.83 100 8 Cricket St.Thomas Wildlife Park 4.6.83 90 8 Stonehenge Festival 22.6.83 115 9 Milton Keynes Woughton Centre 3.9.83 40 7 Slough Thames Hall 16.2.84 80 9 Birmingham Odeon 17.2.84 110 8 Liverpool Empire 18.2.84 90 8 Manchester Apollo 19.2.84 100 8 Preston Guild Hall 20.2.84 110 7 Sheffield City Hall 21.2.84 90 8 Newcastle City Hall 22.2.84 120 7 Edinburgh Playhouse 23.2.84 105 9 Glasgow Apollo 26.2.84 100 8 Hull City Hall 27.2.84 110 7 Halifax City Hall 29.2.84 90 8 Bradford University 1.3.84 110 8 Hanley Victoria Hall 2.3.84 80 8 Nottingham Sherwood Rooms 3.3.84 90 7 Folkestone Leas Cliff Hall 5.3.84 110 8 Crawley Leisure Centre 6.3.84 110 7 Portsmouth Guild Hall 7.3.84 90 8 Dunstable Queensway Hall 8.3.84 110 7 Ipswich Gaumont 9.3.84 100 7 Leicester DeMontfort Hall 11.3.84 110 8 London Hammersmith Odeon 13.3.84 110 8 London Hammersmith Odeon 14.3.84 120 7 Cardiff St.Davids Hall 16.3.84 100 7 Oxford Apollo 17.3.84 120 8 Bristol Colston Hall 18.3.84 110 8 Bath Pavillon 19.3.84 120 6 Southend Cliffs Pavillon 20.3.84 110 8 Plymouth Skating Ring 23.3.84 85 8 Ramsgate Marina Park 28.5.84 105 8 Stonehenge Festival 20.6.84 110 9 Stonehenge Festival 21.6.84 55 9 Stonehenge Festival 22.6.84 70 8 Amsterdam Melkweg 31.7.84 90 6 Amsterdam Melkweg 1.8.84 90 8 Warrington Spectrum 16.11.84 90 8 Cardiff University 17.11.84 110 8 Dunstable Queensway Hall 18.11.84 110 7 Derby Assembly Rooms 19.11.84 110 7 Leicester M R Keisas 20.11.84 110 9 Newcastle Mayfair 21.11.84 115 8 Slough Fulcrum Centre 23.11.84 105 8 St.Albans City Hall 24.11.84 110 8 Norwich University 25.11.84 110 7 Ipswich Gaumont 26.11.84 90 7 Sheffield University 27.11.84 120 7 Worthing Assembly Hall 29.11.84 110 7 Manchester Exhibition Hall 10.2.85 70 9 London Television 26.4.85 10 8 Folkestone Leas Cliff Hall 1.6.85 80 7 Dunstable Queensway Hall 3.6.85 90 6 Nottingham Rock City 4.6.85 100 7 Stonehenge White Horse Hill 21.6.85 130 8 London Maida Vale 19.7.85 20 9 Crystal Palace Park 24.8.85 50 10 =20 Norwich Earlham Park 31.8.85 10 9 Guildford Civic Hall 5.11.85 100 7 Preston Guild Hall 7.11.85 90 9 Hanley Victoria Hall 8.11.85 110 8 Sheffield City Hall 10.11.85 90 6 Birmingham Odeon 13.11.85 110 7 Liverpool Empire 14.11.85 110 8 Newcastle City Hall 16.11.85 115 8 Edinburgh Playhouse 18.11.85 115 9 Aberdeen Capitol 19.11.85 110 8 Ipswich Gaumont 23.11.85 90 8 Walthamstow Assembly Rooms 25.11.85 90 8 Cardiff St.Davids Hall 27.11.85 110 6 Dunstable Queensway Hall 29.11.85 110 8 Oxford Apollo 2.12.85 110 8 London Hammersmith Odeon 3.12.85 115 7 London Hammersmith Odeon 4.12.85 115 8 Worthing Assembly Hall 5.12.85 90 8 Bristol Hippodrome 7.12.85 115 8 Oxford New Age Fayre 5.5.86 85 9 Bristol Custom Bike Show 20.6.86 20 10 =20 Exeter St.Georges Hall 5.7.86 100 8 Bideford Benefit Festival 17.7.86 60 7 Reading Festival 24.8.86 80 8 St.Albans City Hall 7.11.86 110 8 Birmingham Odeon 8.11.86 85 7 Edinburgh Playhouse 13.11.86 90 7 Manchester Apollo 15.11.86 90 7 Liverpool Empire 16.11.86 90 8 Bristol Colston Hall 18.11.86 110 8 Bradford St.Georges Hall 20.11.86 90 7 Leeds University 21.11.86 90 7 Ipswich Gaumont 24.11.86 110 6 Worthing Assembly Hall 25.11.86 100 8 Portsmouth Guild Hall 26.11.86 100 8 London Hammersmith Odeon 27.11.86 90 8 London Hammersmith Odeon 28.11.86 90 8 Malvern Winter Gardens 1.12.86 90 8 Preston Guild Hall 3.12.86 60 9 Dunstable Queensway Hall 7.12.86 90 8 Wien Fritz 23.5.87 70 8 Esslingen Music & Action 25.5.87 90 9 Frankfurt Batschkapp 26.5.87 80 8 K=F6ln Luxor 27.5.87 90 = 8 Detmold Hunky Dory 28.5.87 90 9 Haltern Old Daddy 29.5.87 90 9 Hamburg Knopf's Music Hall 30.5.87 95 9 Bochum Zeche 31.5.87 90 8 Southampton Top Rank 4.8.87 85 7 Cardiff Rizzy 5.8.87 90 7 Folkestone Leas Cliff Hall 11.9.87 100 8 Finsbury Park Acid Daze 23.8.87 85 9 Brighton Festival 28.8.87 110 8 Dunstable Queensway Hall 12.9.87 90 9 Worchester Pitchcroft 26.9.87 55 9 Leeds Acid Daze 12.12.87 80 8 Nottingham Rock City 5.4.88 90 8 Portsmouth Guild Hall 8.4.88 105 8 Bristol Colston Hall 9.4.88 110 8 Edinburgh Playhouse 13.4.88 100 7 Liverpool Empire 17.4.88 105 8 Sheffield City Hall 18.4.88 80 7 Birmingham Powerhouse 19.4.88 90 9 Cambridge Corn Exchange 20.4.88 90 8 London Hammersmith Odeon 21.4.88 80 8 London Hammersmith Odeon 22.4.88 90 8 Leicester DeMontfort Hall 25.4.88 95 9 Cardiff St.Davids Hall 28.4.88 100 8 St.Albans City Hall 30.4.88 100 8 London Town & Country Club 30.5.88 100 8 Penzance (HD) Festival 6.8.88 50 8 Bristol Studio 11.9.88 90 8 Bournemouth Academy 13.9.88 85 6 Cheltenham Town Hall 17.9.88 80 7 Clyro Court 1.10.88 60 8 Birmingham (HD) Kaleidoscope 14.11.88 80 8 Leeds (HD) Phoenix Club 15.3.89 60 7 Camden (HD) Electric Ballroom 16.11.88 80 8 Bournemouth Academy 28.11.88 100 8 St.Albans City Hall 30.11.88 95 7 Buckley Tivoli 1.12.88 90 5 Sheffield Octagone 2.12.88 90 8 Birmingham Powerhouse 4.12.88 90 9 Liverpool Empire 5.12.88 90 8 Nottingham Rock City 7.12.88 90 7 Leeds University 9.12.88 90 8 Leicester University 10.12.88 90 8 Northampton Kamikazi 11.12.88 90 9 Bristol Colston Hall 12.12.88 90 7 London Hammersmith Odeon 14.12.88 90 9 London Town & Country Club 15.12.88 105 8 From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Feb 18 06:54:14 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:54:14 +0100 Subject: HW: video-list Message-ID: Hi folks=20 here is the updated (17.02.1996) list of all available HAWKWIND videos TOWN HALL DATE TIME =20 Dunstable Civic Hall 7.7.72 2 =20 London Marc Bolan Show 14.9.77 2 =20 Baden Baden Studio 14.2.81 10 =20 Southampton Gaumont 25.10.81 100 =20 Amsterdam Paradiso 23.3.82 10 =20 Edinburgh Playhouse 21.10.82 100 =20 Cricket St.Thomas Wildlife Park 4.6.83 95 =20 Ipswich Gaumont 9.3.84 55 =20 Stonehenge Festival 20.6.84 40 =20 Manchester International 10.2.85 70 =20 London Television 16.4.85 10 =20 Norwich Earlham Park 31.8.85 10 =20 London Hammersmith Odeo3.12.85 55 =20 Bristol Festival 20.6.86 5 =20 Reading Festival 24.8.86 10 =20 Preston Guild Hall 3.12.86 60 =20 Bochum Zeche 31.5.87 90 =20 Finsbury Park Acid Daze 23.8.87 75 =20 Bridport Beehive 10.3.89 40 =20 Treworgey Tree Fayre Festi29.7.89 85 =20 Toronto Spectrum 24.9.89 90 =20 Somerville East Cabaret 27.9.89 100 =20 Cleveland Phantasy Club 30.9.89 90 =20 Chicago Lounge Axe 1.10.89 80 =20 Santa Clara One Step Byond 9.10.89 105 =20 Nottingham Lenton Lane Stud25.1.90 55 =20 Bournemouth Academy 2.7.90 100 =20 Boston Channel Club 28.11.90 =20 Washington Club 9:30 2.12.90 90 =20 Cleveland Empire 6.12.90 60 =20 Chicago Cubby Bear 7.12.90 90 =20 Willow Grove Thirsty Whale 8.12.90 100 =20 Minneapolis Glam Slam 11.12.90 105 =20 Denver Mercury Club 13.12.90 =20 Los Angeles Lingerie 15.12.90 30 =20 San Francisco I - Beam 17.12.90 95 =20 Portland Day For Night 19.12.90 100 =20 Bochum Zeche 19.3.91 105 =20 Toronto Phoenix 16.5.91 80 =20 G=F6teborg Magasinet 28.9.91 75 =20 Gimme Shelter Sessions 1.1.92 10 =20 Hemel Pavillon 8.5.92 105 =20 Cambridge Corn Exchange 11.5.92 100 =20 Brixton Academy 15.8.92 120 =20 Pentrich Festival 31.7.93 20 =20 Spilimbergo Rototron 19.10.94 =20 Springfield Jaxx 8.4.95 80 =20 Madison Barrymore Theatr18.4.95 95 =20 Milwaukee Shank Hall 20.4.95 90 =20 Bochum Zeche 26.10.95 90 =20 From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Feb 18 06:54:04 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:54:04 +0100 Subject: HW: tape-list Part 3 Message-ID: Brixton Academy 5.3.89 75 8 Bridport Beehive 10.3.89 65 8 St.Albans City Hall 2.6.89 80 7 Woolwich Coronet 3.6.89 80 8 Nottingham Rock City 7.6.89 85 9 Worthing Assembly Hall 8.6.89 80 7 Manchester International 9.6.89 80 7 Treworgey Tree Fayre Festival 29.7.89 85 9 Brixton Academy 3.9.89 95 9 Clyro Court 16.9.89 90 9 Toronto Diamond 24.9.89 50 9 Washington Bayou 26.9.89 90 9 Sommerville Johnny D's 27.9.89 100 10 =20 New York New Ritz 28.9.89 110 10 =20 Ardmore 23 East Cabaret 29.9.89 90 8 Cleveland Phantasy Club 30.9.89 80 9 Chicago Lounge Axe 1.10.89 80 8 Milwaukee Odd Rock Cafe 3.10.89 85 10 =20 Minneapolis First Avenue 4.10.89 90 10 =20 San Francisco Stone 7.10.89 90 10 =20 Santa Clara One Step Beyond 9.10.89 90 8 Los Angeles Palace 10.10.89 85 7 San Diego Bacchanal 12.10.89 75 9 Leeds University 2.12.89 80 7 Liverpool Royal Court 5.12.89 105 7 London Hammersmith Odeon 7.12.89 105 8 London Hammersmith Odeon 8.12.89 110 8 Cardiff St.Davids Hall 10.12.89 90 8 Bristol Colston Hall 11.12.89 90 7 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 16.12.89 110 7 Plymouth Warehouse 18.12.89 115 7 Nottingham Lenton Lane Studios 25.1.90 95 8 Glastonbury Festival 23.6.90 90 8 Bournemouth Academy 2.7.90 100 9 Brixton Academy 1.9.90 80 8 Leeds University 13.10.90 90 7 Hull City Hall 14.10.90 90 8 Nottingham Rock City 16.10.90 90 8 Newcastle Mayfair 18.10.90 85 8 Liverpool Royal Court 21.10.90 95 7 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 24.10.90 100 7 Preston Guild Hall 25.10.90 90 7 Sheffield Polytechnic 26.10.90 90 8 Croydon Fairfields Hall 27.10.90 90 8 Reading University 30.10.90 30 5 Newport Leisure Centre 1.11.90 90 8 Colchester University 3.11.90 90 8 Bristol Colston Hall 4.11.90 100 8 Leicester DeMontfort Hall 5.11.90 90 7 London Hammersmith Odeon 6.11.90 95 7 Brighton The Event 7.11.90 90 8 Southampton Mayflower 9.11.90 90 8 Boston Channel Club 28.11.90 100 8 Philadelphia Ambler 30.11.90 100 8 New York Wetlands 1.12.90 90 8 Washington Club 9:30 2.12.90 85 9 Toronto Diamond 4.12.90 50 9 Cleveland Empire 5.12.90 100 9 Cleveland Empire 6.12.90 100 8 Chicago Cubby Bear 7.12.90 80 9 River Growe Thirsty Whale 8.12.90 100 9 Milwaukee Shank Hall 9.12.90 100 8 Minneapolis Glam Slam 11.12.90 105 8 Los Angeles Lingerie 15.12.90 95 8 Oakland Omni 16.12.90 100 10 =20 San Francisco I - Beam 17.12.90 95 9 Portland Day For Night 19.12.90 95 8 Long Beach Bogarts 22.12.90 90 9 Amsterdam Paradiso 12.3.91 110 6 Tilburg Noorderligt 13.3.91 95 9 K=F6ln Live Music Hall 14.3.91 110 = 9 Berlin Extasy 15.3.91 110 9 Hamburg Markthalle 16.3.91 110 9 Bremen Modernes 17.3.91 115 9 Osnabr=FCck Hyde Park 18.3.91 110 = 9 Bochum Zeche 19.3.91 105 9 Stuttgart Schinderhannes 20.3.91 105 9 Mainz Kulturzentrum 21.3.91 105 8 Kempten Allg=E4uhalle 22.3.91 90 = 7 N=FCrnberg Komm 23.3.91 105 = 8 M=FCnchen Nachtwerk 25.3.91 120 = 9 Wels Alter Schlachhof 26.3.91 90 8 Athen Rodon Club 31.3.91 140 8 Florenz Tenaz 5.4.91 90 7 Paris Bataclan 9.4.91 90 8 New York Marquee 9.5.91 80 8 Philadelphia Ambler 10.5.91 80 8 Washington Club 9:30 12.5.91 75 9 Montreal LeFoufones 14.5.91 45 9 Toronto Spectrum 16.5.91 80 8 St.Catherines Hideaway 17.5.91 80 9 Detroit Latin Quarter 18.5.91 80 8 Cleveland Empire 19.5.91 80 8 Minneapolis First Avenue 21.5.91 80 10 =20 Milwaukee Shank Hall 22.5.91 70 9 Brixton Academy 6.7.91 115 8 Mildenhall Festival 3.8.91 50 8 Exeter Plaza 31.8.91 80 8 Stockholm Dailys Bar 29.9.91 80 9 Uppsala Barowiac 2.10.91 70 10 =20 G=F6teborg Magasinet 28.9.91 75 = 9 Copenhagen Loppen 4.10.91 75 9 Berlin H & M 5.10.91 85 10 =20 Hamburg Markthalle 6.10.91 80 9 Herford Rock Haeven 7.10.91 75 9 Bochum Zeche 8.10.91 80 9 Frankfurt Batschkapp 9.10.91 80 7 Tilburg Noorderligt 12.10.91 80 9 Amsterdam Paradiso 15.10.91 80 8 Hemel Pavillon 11.12.91 85 7 Bradford University 12.12.91 85 8 York Barbican 13.12.91 85 6 Cardiff University 14.12.91 85 9 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 15.12.91 85 9 Brighton The Event 24.4.92 100 9 Southampton University 25.4.92 100 8 St.Austell Coliseum 26.4.92 90 7 Newcastle Mayfair 29.4.92 100 7 Edinburgh Playhouse 1.5.92 105 7 Liverpool Royal Court 3.5.92 100 8 Bristol Colston Hall 7.5.92 90 8 Hemel Pavillon 8.5.92 105 8 Cambridge Corn Exchange 11.5.92 100 7 Nottingham Rock City 12.5.92 100 7 Birmingham Hummingbird 13.5.92 90 6 Sheffield University 14.5.92 100 8 London Hammersmith Odeon 16.5.92 100 9 Leicester Polytechnik 18.5.92 90 8 Reading University 19.5.92 100 10 =20 Brixton Academy 15.8.92 120 8 Bradford Queens Hall 10.12.92 115 7 Glasgow Barrowlands 11.12.92 115 7 Kilburn National Ballroom 13.12.92 120 9 Warrington Parr Hall 14.12.92 110 7 Manchester Rockworld 7.4.93 115 7 Truro City Hall 11.4.93 110 9 Rotterdam Night Town 24.4.93 110 9 Tilburg Noorderligt 25.4.93 110 8 Utrecht Tivoli 29.4.93 115 9 Pentrich Coneygrey Showground 31.7.93 90 7 Camberly Agincourt 13.8.93 90 8 Brixton Academy 14.8.93 85 8 Milton Keynes Woughton Centre 7.11.93 100 8 Cambridge Junction 11.11.93 90 7 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 12.11.93 90 8 Bristol University 13.11.93 80 9 Nottingham Rock City 16.11.93 100 8 Liverpool Royal Court 17.11.93 90 8 Bradford University 18.11.93 90 7 Glasgow Barrowlands 20.11.93 90 8 Manchester Apollo 22.11.93 100 9 London Kentishtown Forum 23.11.93 100 8 Folkestone Leas Cliff Hall 24.11.93 90 8 Worthing Assembly Hall 25.11.93 100 8 Hastings Pier Pavillon 27.11.93 90 8 Colchester Charter Hall 28.11.93 70 8 K=F6ln Live Music Hall 2.12.93 90 10 =20 Hamburg Markthalle 3.12.93 95 8 Berlin Huxley Junior 4.12.93 100 7 Stuttgart R=F6hre 7.12.93 60 = 9 Hengelo Metropool 9.12.93 90 9 Haarlem Patronaat 10.12.93 80 7 Den Bosch Willem 2 11.12.93 90 9 Manchester Rockworld 13.4.94 90 8 Brixton Fridge 14.4.94 95 7 Oxford Apollo 15.4.94 95 8 Bohnstedtfeld Waldheim Festival 15.7.94 90 7 Genua Albatros 19.10.94 65 8 Berlin Huxley's Neue Welt 28.10.94 90 9 Aschaffenburg Klangwerk 30.10.94 90 8 Osnabr=FCck Hyde Park 31.10.94 90 = 8 Uden Nieuwe Pul 3.11.94 75 9 Heino Zaal Struik 4.11.94 75 9 Bremen Aladin 8.11.94 85 8 Hamburg Gro=DFe Freiheit 12.11.94 85 = 8 K=F6ln Live Music Hall 13.11.94 90 10 =20 Toronto Phoenix 4.4.95 85 7 St. Catherines Hideaway 5.4.95 90 8 Buffalo Nietzsche's 6.4.95 80 9 Cleveland Agora 7.4.95 80 10 =20 New York Limelight 9.4.95 80 10 =20 New Haven Toad's Place 11.4.95 90 9 Madison Barrymore Theatre 18.4.95 95 8 Chicago Park West 19.4.95 90 8 Milwaukee Shank Hall 20.4.95 95 8 Boulder Fox Theatre 23.4.95 90 8 San Francisco Slims 25.4.95 100 9 Springfield Jaxx 8.4.95 80 10 =20 Pentrich Coneygrey Showground 29.7.95 80 7 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 10.1.72 65 7 Birmingham (HD) Kaleidoscope 27.2.89 70 8 Wallsall (HD) Junction 10 23.5.89 60 7 London Marc Bolan Show 14.9.77 3 8 London BBC Studio 27.7.95 20 10 =20 Amsterdam Melkweg 2.11.95 110 9 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 20.10.95 110 8 Bochum Zeche 26.10.95 100 10 =20 Glasgow Barrowlands 12.10.95 110 7 Lancaster Sugar House 13.10.95 110 7 Liverpool Royal Court 15.10.95 110 7 Hamburg Markthalle 27.10.95 95 9 Cardiff St.Davids Hall 18.10.95 110 7 Workington Carnagie Hall 11.10.95 95 7 London Forum 22.12.95 100 8 From richard.cummings at NOR.MKL.COM Sun Feb 18 01:52:00 1996 From: richard.cummings at NOR.MKL.COM (RICHARD CUMMINGS) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 01:52:00 -0500 Subject: Another voice on ASTRONOMY Message-ID: It seems that in all the opinions on our favorite versions of ASTRONOMY the CULT CLASSIC rendition has been forgotten. As good as it is, it is my least favorite version as it lacks the opening piano which gave the ST version it's haunting, almost etherial quality. In the context of IMAGINOS ASTRONOMY is right in sync, but as a "stand-alone" song it's towards the lower end of my list. As for a favorite version, I can't choose between the eeriness of ST or the rush I get as the guitar solo cuts in on SEE. Any chance of ever hearing Al sing a version ? Forgotten but not gone, RPC From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Sun Feb 18 15:19:03 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:19:03 -0500 Subject: Sun Machine in Cleveland In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Feb 12, 96 06:32:43 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks: Well, I had such a nice time up in Cleveland on New Year's Eve, that I decided to go back for the second performance by the band now known as Sun Machine, the Hawkwind tribute band. Apparently, between NYE and now, they've been meeting and working up lots more HW covers, and learning to play together as a unit. They've made great progress in that department IMHO, and the show was outstanding. They played two complete sets of all-HW material, at least 2.5 hours of live music. Without Doug Walker and some other people they had last time, they didn't have quite the 'fullness' of the NYE gig...most notably the absence of a sax/flute player, but they still had about seven people in the group I think. And some of the tracks they played this time were phenonmenal. The set list went something like this (not sure of the order): Psychedelic Warlords Standing at the Edge Down Through the Night Free Fall The Black Corridor Space Is Deep Time We Left (this World Today) We Took the Wrong Step Years Ago Flying Doctor The Fifth Second of Forever Dust of Time D-Rider Choose Your Masques Quark, Strangeness, and Charm Robot Hassan I Sahba Heads You Shouldn't Do That Uncle Sam's on Mars The Watcher Spirit of the Age The Demented Man Silver Machine Sonic Attack Wind of Change I think there were even a couple more...can't recall exactly. I think it's really cool that they play some of the unusual stuff rather than sticking with the well-known standards (MotU, Brainstorm, etc.). Particularly awesome this time 'round were Dust of Time and D-Rider..beautifully done, even though the flute was missing from the latter. And Psychedelic Warlords to start it all off really worked well. I still don't know whether they are going to begin to play regular gigs at this point (and where), but I'd encourage anyone here to take the time to check them out anytime they are nearby. I did notice that one or two of the members were wearing Sun Machine t-shirts, so maybe that does mean they are going to continue...maybe they'll write some original material too?? Again they had the Hawkwind exhibit up (nearly identical to before), and some CD's for sale, including the import version of Brock's ST&PD (How stupid...since it *should* be domesically available now, although I can't find it). And a guy I've met several times before (from New Hampshire) named Chris drove 12 hours again to see the show...it makes the 2.5 hour trip (each way) for me look like nothing. The light show was different than last time (Louise McAuley, who did the last one, lives in Montreal so I didn't expect to see her again). It looks like Jim Lascko may have set this up himself...anyway, it was a bank of six regular old overhead projectors with spinning wheels of various odd images and designs set on top of the "light panel" of each. It worked really well on the backdrop behind the stage, but the projectors put out too much ambient light for my tastes. When the lights developed a power failure for the last few songs of the first set, it was actually kind of nice for a change, as the only lighting on or near the stage was a pair of green floods, and it made Dust of Time even more eerie. And you only saw shadowy figures lurking around on stage....how much more like the real Hawkwind can you get??? Well that's all.... Keith H. From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sun Feb 18 19:37:59 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 16:37:59 -0800 Subject: Sun Machine in Cleveland Message-ID: Indeed a very enjoyable gig. Hey Keith, why didn't you say hello? I was wandering about the whole night w/ my trusty boc-l T... Wylie From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sun Feb 18 19:42:11 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 16:42:11 -0800 Subject: HW:CoH LP Available Message-ID: >On 11-FEB-1996 09:12:24.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 > >I've got an extra Church of Hawkwind LP I'm willing to part with. M- > >cover and absolutely pristine vinyl, with book. Make an offer if you'd > >like... > >Wylie > >>5 US dollars? And some people wonder why we've had some desertions from this list...Sheesh. Wylie From RHamel4129 at AOL.COM Sun Feb 18 20:29:28 1996 From: RHamel4129 at AOL.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:29:28 -0500 Subject: Astronomy Video Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Wanted to follow up on the post about the Astronomy video. actually I have it on tape (twice). It's purely conceptual, but captures the Imaginos feel very well. The band is not in it. In fact, the first tape I have is from MTV England where Buck, Eric, and Johnny are being interviewed. There is a brief reference to the Al-BOC conflict about the album, then someone mentions that this will be the first time the band sees the video, which tells you how much they had to do with it. After it's done, they all look sort of befuddled. Johhny has the best line: "I think we should use that video for all our songs"! Rich From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Feb 19 03:23:18 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:23:18 +0100 Subject: HW: video-list Message-ID: >Hi folks > >Here is the updated HAWKWIND giglist (17.02.1996) > >Notting Hill All Saints Hall 29.8.69 Fri >Notting Hill All Saints Hall 26.9.69 Fri >London Blaises Club 10.10.69 Fri >London Pheasantry 18.10.69 Sat >Twickenham Eel Pie Island 24.10.69 Fri [snip] Thanks for the amazing lists, Bernhard :0) I think it could be usefull if you add country code to the town/hall information - assuming UK is default. \\joe From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Feb 19 06:23:24 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:23:24 -0500 Subject: Sun Machine in Cleveland Message-ID: > > Indeed a very enjoyable gig. Hey Keith, why didn't you say hello? I >was wandering about the whole night w/ my trusty boc-l T... > > >Wylie > > Hello all, I was also fortunate to be there. It was most excellent. The band was very well practiced and did a very good job. I was glad to see them play an extended set. Sorry I missed you Keith and Wylie. I wore my Nethawks shirt, but didn't notice any others. I did see Alan there ( hey buddy! ). As I missed the first NYE show ( looking foward to the tapes, Keith :-) ) I was wondering, did they have the artists at the first show? It was a nice touch. See you all somewhere down the road, Your Hawkfriend, Duane -- " We are the warriors at the edge of time. " From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 19 07:56:37 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:56:37 +0000 Subject: Sun Machine in Cleveland In-Reply-To: <199602191123.AA03664@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Feb 19, 96 06:23:24 am Message-ID: > As I missed the first NYE show ( looking foward to the tapes, Keith :-) ) Speaking of tapes, were there any tapers at this most recent show? Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 19 08:29:11 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:29:11 +0000 Subject: OFF: Sam Gopal _Escalator_ on CD Message-ID: This is a release that got mentioned here once or twice a while back, but I just stumbled across it on CD and am posting the info for the benefit of the Lemmyophiles on the list ... Sam Gopal was, of course, the band Lemmy was in just before Hawkwind, in '68 or so, and he sings and plays guitar on this album. Be stunned by the sound of Lemmy's voice before it was shot to hell! Be amazed has he plays Chuck Berry riffs over bizarre tabla drums!! Anyway: Sam Gopal, _Escalator_ (TTE 004CD), and TTE claims to be a division of TNT Enterprises GMBH of Frankfurt, Germany. A sticker proclaims this a limited resissue. Cheers, Carl From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Feb 19 08:45:56 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:45:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: Sam Gopal _Escalator_ on CD Message-ID: > This is a release that got mentioned here once or twice a while >back, but I just stumbled across it on CD and am posting the info for >the benefit of the Lemmyophiles on the list ... > > Sam Gopal was, of course, the band Lemmy was in just before >Hawkwind, in '68 or so, and he sings and plays guitar on this album. He played in Opal Butterfly between SG & HW. _Escalator_ was recorded 1968. His name on the vinyl was "Ian (Lemmy) Willis" (the pictures say there's no doubt this is 'our' Lemmy). Anyone having an explanation to mr Kilminster's last name? >Be stunned by the sound of Lemmy's voice before it was shot to hell! >Be amazed has he plays Chuck Berry riffs over bizarre tabla drums!! Quite different from Motorhead nowadays, but you can hear that's a lot of Lemmy on it. My vinyl has the following tracks: cold embrace / the dark lord / *the sky is burning / you're alone now / *grass / *it's only love / *escalator / angry faces / midsummer nights dream / season of the witch / *yesterlove (Lemmy only compositions marked "*") Has the CD the same tracks, or have the "Horse" acetate been added? > Anyway: Sam Gopal, _Escalator_ (TTE 004CD), and TTE claims >to be a division of TNT Enterprises GMBH of Frankfurt, Germany. A >sticker proclaims this a limited resissue. Do *strongly* recommend this item to anyone who is a little bit curious to Lemmy Pre Motorhead... >Cheers, >Carl cheers - \\joe From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Feb 19 08:59:14 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:59:14 -0500 Subject: Copyright News Message-ID: Martyn comments on my statement: >Bolle is certainly not against people to choose to partake in alchohol. Oh in that case, he's OK ;-) Well, I was just making the point about him not necessarily being against alchohol because the original complaint was that he turns everything into a diatribe against drugs and alchohol. I was just clarifying that while he may be "anti-drugs", he's not necessarily "anti-alchohol". But I've probably said enough. The lack of responses to some of my recent posts suggests to me that either I'm just a ranting lunatic, or that many BOC-Lers have chosen to hit the "delete" key . . . From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 19 09:07:19 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:07:19 +0000 Subject: Copyright News In-Reply-To: <199602191359.IAA27932@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Feb 19, 96 08:59:14 am Message-ID: > But I've probably said enough. The lack of responses to some of my > recent posts suggests to me that either I'm just a ranting lunatic, or > that many BOC-Lers have chosen to hit the "delete" key . . . Well, I wouldn't presume to imagine about your relative sanity ;) but on the other hand some of your posts have spawned long and convoluted threads. But on yet another hand, for all I care Bolle can be a crack- smoking jack-rabbit as long as he lets people in to hear bizarre BOC recordings :) Cheers, Carl From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Sun Feb 18 22:28:00 1996 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:28:00 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Feb 1996 Carl E. Anderson said: >>From Siege: "World Without End!" This line also appears in the song "Heavy Metal: Black and Silver". The song says: "Direction. Creation. Foundation. Spans a river we call time, World without end." Noting that this song is in fact at least partially Bouchard penned, does this song fit anywhere into the Imaginos saga? I remember back last year sometime when Albert stated for the record all the many songs that could indeed fit somewhere into the whole Imaginos Thang, yet for some reason I don't remember this song being on it. Actually it never really occured to me until I finally caught the "world without end" line. Torgo has left the building........ From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Mon Feb 19 09:15:34 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:15:34 -0600 Subject: OFF: Sam Gopal _Escalator_ on CD In-Reply-To: <9602191345.AA05365@sonor> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, Johan Edlundh wrote: > > This is a release that got mentioned here once or twice a while > >back, but I just stumbled across it on CD and am posting the info for > >the benefit of the Lemmyophiles on the list ... > > > > Sam Gopal was, of course, the band Lemmy was in just before > >Hawkwind, in '68 or so, and he sings and plays guitar on this album. > > He played in Opal Butterfly between SG & HW. > _Escalator_ was recorded 1968. > His name on the vinyl was "Ian (Lemmy) Willis" (the pictures say there's no > doubt this is 'our' Lemmy). Anyone having an explanation to mr Kilminster's > last name? > > > >Be stunned by the sound of Lemmy's voice before it was shot to hell! > >Be amazed has he plays Chuck Berry riffs over bizarre tabla drums!! > > Quite different from Motorhead nowadays, but you can hear that's a lot of > Lemmy on it. My vinyl has the following tracks: > > cold embrace / the dark lord / *the sky is burning / you're alone now / > *grass / *it's only love / *escalator / angry faces / midsummer nights dream > / season of the witch / *yesterlove > > (Lemmy only compositions marked "*") > > Has the CD the same tracks, or have the "Horse" acetate been added? > > > > Anyway: Sam Gopal, _Escalator_ (TTE 004CD), and TTE claims > >to be a division of TNT Enterprises GMBH of Frankfurt, Germany. A > >sticker proclaims this a limited resissue. > > Do *strongly* recommend this item to anyone who is a little bit curious to > Lemmy Pre Motorhead... > > > >Cheers, > >Carl > > cheers - \\joe > all i want to know is is it psychedelic? also who's carrying it -mail orderwise? i like the opal butterfly track on -"electric sugarcubes flashbacks" english psyche comp. -mike psyche From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 19 09:15:32 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:15:32 +0000 Subject: OFF: Sam Gopal _Escalator_ on CD In-Reply-To: <9602191345.AA05365@sonor> from "Johan Edlundh" at Feb 19, 96 02:45:56 pm Message-ID: > > Sam Gopal was, of course, the band Lemmy was in just before > >Hawkwind, in '68 or so, and he sings and plays guitar on this album. > > He played in Opal Butterfly between SG & HW. > _Escalator_ was recorded 1968. Whoops! My mistake, I should have remembered Opal Butterfly. By the way, does anyone know if OB recordings exist/existed? > His name on the vinyl was "Ian (Lemmy) Willis" (the pictures say there's no > doubt this is 'our' Lemmy). Anyone having an explanation to mr Kilminster's > last name? Looks less weird than "Kilmister"? Not a terribly good explanation, I admit. Can anyone think of any 50s rock musicians named Willis that Lemmy might have been idolizing :) ? You can definately pick him out in the pictures, though the hair, lack of mustache, and groovy clothes will entertain :) > >Be stunned by the sound of Lemmy's voice before it was shot to hell! > >Be amazed has he plays Chuck Berry riffs over bizarre tabla drums!! > > Quite different from Motorhead nowadays, but you can hear that's a lot of > Lemmy on it. Oh, definitely! (Lemmy _still_ uses Chuck Berry riffs, after all! ;) My vinyl has the following tracks: > > cold embrace / the dark lord / *the sky is burning / you're alone now / > *grass / *it's only love / *escalator / angry faces / midsummer nights dream > / season of the witch / *yesterlove > (Lemmy only compositions marked "*") > Has the CD the same tracks, or have the "Horse" acetate been added? The CD is identical. No sign of a "Horse". Cheers, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Feb 19 09:31:57 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:31:57 -0500 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: A few comments on Al's statements: > That's one reason why the remake of BOC is better, because I used all of Sp's lyrics and found their rhyme rather than squashing them into a little guitar riff. Ah, but what a riff! :-) Well, I like both versions alot. The original version, especially as played on OYFOOYK sounds really cool - very psychadelic-sounding, and the keyboard and guitar solos in it compliment it well. The Imaginos version has a completely different character, so I can't really make a direct comparision. But, lyrically it is definitely better, and is a clearer as far as the meaning of the song goes. Also, it is more elaborate and "grandiose" (for lack of a better term to pop into my head at the moment) - almost orchestral, and has different parts to it (whereas "The Subhuman" is a single riff over and over again, "Blue Oyster Cult" has different sections with different feels to them). A few other thoughts on this song ("Blue Oyster Cult"): 1. I really like the splitting of the lead vocals between Al and Buck on this one - perhaps it helps emphasize the different sections. And, as in "Les Invisibles", Buck's vocals seem to fit well against a steady driving guitar rhythm. 2. When I first heard this song, I sort of felt very nostalgic and thought that this was the end of BOC, and they were in some way revealing themselves to the world for what they were - "we understand, we understand - Blue Oyster Cult - we understand, we understand . . ." Sort of like a twisted version the reprise to the Beatle's "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" - you know, "we hope you have enjoyed the show . . ." Oh man, and I thought I didn't damage any brain cells in college . . . >On vinyl vs. CD: I like digital because it's a lot easier to work with. It's a more durable format. LPs and tapes gett worn and messed up after awhile. I agree, and hopefully all those stories of "CD Rot" won't come true since I've invested so much time and effort into getting alot of music I like (like the entire BOC catalog) on CD. However, since tapes don't last forever, hopefully this will be cheaper than having to keep replacing tapes -- case in point is that I bought every BOC album on tape at least twice becuase after about a dozen or so plays the sound quality got pretty bad - Columbia as a company seemed especially notorious for turning out low-quality cassettes. The thing about digital as oppossed to analog is that with digital, you can get a pretty good sound quickly, and these days relatively cheaply, but to really get good quality that faithfully reproduces all the nuances of good analog (including those statements about it being "warmer" than digital) - that can be difficult. It's sort of like getting 90% there is easy, and then it's twice as hard (and expensive) to get to 95%, and 10 times as hard to get to like 96% or 97%, and we're really not yet sure how to get to 98% or 99%. BUT - the use of digital, depending on how well you use it, can produce either very good or not so good results. Check out the Brain Surgeons' stuff for examples of how good stuff can sound with digital. But, many have complained about the sound that digital gave *Cult Classic* (sure, the performance of the band may have had something to do with that, but I'm just referring to the "thin" sound in spots). John From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Feb 19 09:47:28 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:47:28 +0100 Subject: OFF: Sam Gopal _Escalator_ on CD Message-ID: >all i want to know is is it psychedelic? >also who's carrying it -mail orderwise? >i like the opal butterfly track on -"electric sugarcubes flashbacks" >english psyche comp. >-mike psyche not a chord like "Algarnas Tradgard" ;0) _Escalator_ was recorded 1968, and it was heavy the same way Zeppelin s/t was. Strange kind of heaviness though, because there was no drum kit used at all - just the tabla drumming by Sam Gopal himself. Remains me in some way of Gun's first, that one with "Race with the Devil". Cool heavy blues'n roll, yes! psycedelic, no. \\joe From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Mon Feb 19 10:16:42 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:16:42 +0100 Subject: HW: NY Bottom Line Message-ID: Hi again I have a question: How many DIFFERENT versions exist from the gig in NEW YORK Botto Line on 06.March.1978 / 07.March 1978? I have here 2 versions. One from the bootleg and the other from a radio gig AFAIK HAWKWIND played Bottom Line on 6.March 2 times and next day again 2 times. Who knows which version(s) was when recorded? Thanks Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Mon Feb 19 10:16:39 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:16:39 +0100 Subject: HW: Where Are They Now Message-ID: Hi there Is here someone who knows where and when this track WHERE ARE THEY NOW from the WEIRD tape 7 was recorded? Is it a live or a studio recording? Who is the songwriter? Who played this track? Thanks for your help Bernhard From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Mon Feb 19 09:17:01 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:17:01 -0600 Subject: seeking HW trade Message-ID: Hi folks, I have three CD-r boots for trade, The Timeless Paeans... Like Nova Drive there were only forty made. The sound quality is very good as is the artwork. It clocks in at about 72 minutes. I do not want to sell them but want to trade for items to complete my collection. If your interested send email to ists018 at uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu, here is what I'm after for each CD: 1st) Text of Festival LP 2nd) Stonehenge This is HW do no Panic CD Hawklords 25 Years On CD 3rd) Space Rock from London CD Hawklords Live CD Doug From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Mon Feb 19 10:09:21 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:09:21 -0600 Subject: another CD-r on the way Message-ID: Expect to see another CD-r out by Spring called Corridors of Flame. It will include several rare tracks like Beast of Chaos, Waiting for my Man and Time for Sale. Space Sex was removed since an official Live CD is immanent. Doug From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Feb 19 10:57:03 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:57:03 -0700 Subject: 1st BOC BBQ In-Reply-To: <960217234437_224869273@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Hey; Read a little about this 1st Annual BOC BBQ this past week and was wondering if it was for real or just a joke. If it's real, count us in!!! Anybody have any details, ect, would be appreciated if posted. Someone said it will be held on The Last Days Of May? What a cool idea. Only hope it is held on Memorial Day Weekend so we can take time off from work. Will the band be there to perform?? Safe Sex, Coffee, Classic Rock!!!! Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Mon Feb 19 12:26:38 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:26:38 +0100 Subject: HW: video-list Message-ID: Hello >Thanks for the amazing lists, Bernhard :0) I am happy that it is useful for you >I think it could be usefull if you add country code to the town/hall >information - assuming UK is default. I have to check how much work this is Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 19 13:39:39 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:39:39 +0000 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: <199602191431.JAA03976@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Feb 19, 96 09:31:57 am Message-ID: Re: the song "BOC" > 2. When I first heard this song, I sort of felt very nostalgic and thought > that this was the end of BOC _Close_ though. I wouldn't want to stake my life on _Imaginos_ not being the last full-length album of original material to bear the artist name "Blue Oyster Cult". It's not like BOC as an entity had a lot to do with the album, and it's not like BOC have exactly shown much speed it getting a new album out. Bet's on whether they can do it before Imaginos has its 10th anniversary? :/ > BUT - the use of digital, depending on how well you use it, can produce > either very good or not so good results. Check out the Brain Surgeons' > stuff for examples of how good stuff can sound with digital. But, many > have complained about the sound that digital gave *Cult Classic* (sure, > the performance of the band may have had something to do with that, but > I'm just referring to the "thin" sound in spots). I think it's a lot easier to get a thick, warm sound off analogue tape. If you get a thinner sounding recording off of digital than you did with analogue, it's not, of course, because you were doing anything clever using analogue but because of the response characteristics of analogue media. Digital just doesn't _do_ that and will cheerfully reproduce the sounds you put into it (as effected by your microphone or other analogue input device). Once, that sound you put in got thicker and warmer since that's who analogue tape responds. Now the same input sound will appear thinner on play-back since digital doesn't do that. This is what I suspect happened on _Cult Classic_. We've all come to expect certain kinds of sounds after decades of analogue recording, and we haven't learned how to produce the sounds we'd like with the new technology yet. If BOC had taken more care with the mixing and recording, _Cult Classic_ would have sounded fine. I think the skill of the recording and mixing is far more important than the medium of the recording. I've got fully digital recordings that sound great, and fully analogue recordings that sound crap--the reverse is also true. I can't speak for the engineer on _CC_, but I bet the band rushed the recording and mixing process, and weren't familiar with digital recording to boot. I heard a while back that Buck was building a studio in his basement, and maybe he, at least, will learn how it works down there. Now that would be great! A 24-track ADAT studio in my basement (if I had one) with a drum kit, and amps, and a few isolation booths ... Ahhhh! Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 19 13:44:41 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:44:41 +0000 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: <8BB0544.0001000A38.uuout@nor.mkl.com> from "ROBERT SEDLER" at Feb 18, 96 10:28:00 pm Message-ID: > >From Siege: "World Without End!" > > This line also appears in the song "Heavy Metal: Black and Silver". > The song says: > "Direction. Creation. Foundation. > Spans a river we call time, World without end." > Noting that this song is in fact at least partially Bouchard penned, does > this song fit anywhere into the Imaginos saga? I remember back last year > sometime when Albert stated for the record all the many songs that could > indeed fit somewhere into the whole Imaginos Thang, yet for some reason I > don't remember this song being on it. Actually it never really occured to > me until I finally caught the "world without end" line. Actually, I've always casually thought of HM:B&S as part of the Imaginos Cycle for the same reason. Couldn't begin to think of where, but I usually shy away from in-depth analysis of the Imaginos material because, well, it's too much like what I do anyway! ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "Hefi ek ok aldri sva reitt vapn ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. at manni at eigi hafi vid kommit." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk - Skarphedinn Njalsson ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 19 13:52:01 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:52:01 +0000 Subject: OFF: Sam Gopal _Escalator_ on CD In-Reply-To: <9602191447.AA07588@sonor> from "Johan Edlundh" at Feb 19, 96 03:47:28 pm Message-ID: > >all i want to know is is it psychedelic? > >also who's carrying it -mail orderwise? > >i like the opal butterfly track on -"electric sugarcubes flashbacks" > >english psyche comp. > > _Escalator_ was recorded 1968, and it was heavy the same way Zeppelin s/t was. > Strange kind of heaviness though, because there was no drum kit used at all > - just the tabla drumming by Sam Gopal himself. > Remains me in some way of Gun's first, that one with "Race with the Devil". > Cool heavy blues'n roll, yes! > psycedelic, no. I dunno. It wobbles in and out of weird reverby wobbly 1968 kind of psychedelia. It's not _really_ even that heavy. Lemmy's own songs are pretty light even, though "Escalator" itself will sound immediately familar as a classic Lemmy-type rave up. There _is_ even a drum kit used on a few songs, presumably played by Mr. Gopal himself, who does all the tabla drumming too. It is definitely an unusual document, but pretty worthwhile. Is the comp with the Opal Butterfly track still available? Are there other Opal Butterfly recordings? Cheers, Carl From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Mon Feb 19 14:14:57 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:14:57 EST Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: >> >From Siege: "World Without End!" >> >> This line also appears in the song "Heavy Metal: Black and Silver". >> The song says: >> "Direction. Creation. Foundation. >> Spans a river we call time, World without end." >> Noting that this song is in fact at least partially Bouchard penned, does >> this song fit anywhere into the Imaginos saga? I remember back last year >> sometime when Albert stated for the record all the many songs that could >> indeed fit somewhere into the whole Imaginos Thang, yet for some reason I >> don't remember this song being on it. Actually it never really occured to >> me until I finally caught the "world without end" line. > Actually, I've always casually thought of HM:B&S as part of the >Imaginos Cycle for the same reason. Couldn't begin to think of where, >but I usually shy away from in-depth analysis of the Imaginos material >because, well, it's too much like what I do anyway! ;) >Cheers, >Carl I think this song was just BOC saying "We are BOC and our guitars bleed lead! Let's ROCK!" There's not really a story here, just lyrics picked for their "When guitars ruled the world" imagery. The fact that the orginal title for this was "Ear Damage", also leads me to this conclusion. I'd put it in the Imaginos cycle though, just because it fun to headbang to ;) It fits right in with Frankenstein... Brian From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Feb 19 14:14:26 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:14:26 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: >>>From Siege: "World Without End!" > >This line also appears in the song "Heavy Metal: Black and Silver". >Noting that this song is in fact at least partially Bouchard penned, does >this song fit anywhere into the Imaginos saga? I remember back last year >sometime when Albert stated for the record all the many songs that could >indeed fit somewhere into the whole Imaginos Thang, yet for some reason I >don't remember this song being on it. Actually it never really occured to >me until I finally caught the "world without end" line. Hmmmm methinks not. The recent issue of Heavy Metal talked about the influence of the movie: HM>"When we got the script, it was like a dream come true", says BOC drummer HM>Albert Bouchard....(snip) ... it served to inspire the musical ideas for their HM>upcoming (FoUO) album. "We didn't really have any ideas of what we were HM>going to do and figured we'd wait till we got into the studio. Then, once we HM>looked at the script, the music flowed, and we did five songs in a few days.:" While I'm not sure I can nail down exactly which five songs, it seems clear that both "The Pact" and "Heavy Metal: The Black and the Silver" would be two of them. Two songs by other artists contained the words "Heavy Metal" in the title (Hagar's "Heavy Metal" and Felder's "Heavy Metal (takin' a ride)"). Oddly, I would guess the one song they did use, "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" was not influenced by the movie, since it was a Moorcock tunes grounded firmly with references to earlier works of his... Off/Rel: The issue, which is okay by recent standards pretty much, is worth getting for their article on the making of the movie alone. It's the March 1996 issue, with a Richard Corben cover with Den on the front of it... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 19 14:51:21 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:51:21 EST Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes Message-ID: > I think the skill of the recording and mixing is far more important > than the medium of the recording. I've got fully digital recordings that > sound great, and fully analogue recordings that sound crap--the reverse > is also true. I can't speak for the engineer on _CC_, but I bet the > band rushed the recording and mixing process, and weren't familiar with > digital recording to boot. I heard a while back that Buck was building > a studio in his basement, and maybe he, at least, will learn how it > works down there. > > Now that would be great! A 24-track ADAT studio in my basement > (if I had one) with a drum kit, and amps, and a few isolation booths ... > Ahhhh! > > Cheers, > Carl This is all pretty strange, as Buck is very much a techno-head. Maybe the engineers had a hand in it. Personally, I like CC, which I guess just adds to your argument. Steve Stevens' 'Atomic Playboys' was recorded direct to digital. And I saw an interview with him where he said how much he hated it, and would never record that way. And, of course, I happen to think it's one of the greatest-sounding albums I've ever heard! go figure.... theo From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Feb 19 15:22:08 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:22:08 +0100 Subject: OFF: Sam Gopal _Escalator_ on CD Message-ID: >> _Escalator_ was recorded 1968, and it was heavy the same way Zeppelin s/t was. >> Strange kind of heaviness though, because there was no drum kit used at all >> - just the tabla drumming by Sam Gopal himself. >> Remains me in some way of Gun's first, that one with "Race with the Devil". >> Cool heavy blues'n roll, yes! >> psycedelic, no. > > I dunno. It wobbles in and out of weird reverby wobbly 1968 >kind of psychedelia. It's not _really_ even that heavy. Lemmy's own >songs are pretty light even, though "Escalator" itself will sound >immediately familar as a classic Lemmy-type rave up. It's heavy for being recorded back in 1968. And I guess we could say it touch the Psychedelia Border, but it has a long way to go to be in the Psychedelia Mainland. Or..? > There _is_ even a drum kit used on a few songs, presumably >played by Mr. Gopal himself, who does all the tabla drumming too. >It is definitely an unusual document, but pretty worthwhile. Just remember the tablas - but you're might be right about a few drum sequences too. > Is the comp with the Opal Butterfly track still available? Are >there other Opal Butterfly recordings? You got the Groupie/Gigging Song 7" from 1970 - with Simon King, but without Lemmy. Listen to the single before you pay GBP75 for it (or whatever it costs)... You might be dissapointed :0) >Cheers, >Carl cheers - \\joe From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Feb 19 16:19:53 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:19:53 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-19 09:12:18 EST, Torgo writes: >This line also appears in the song "Heavy Metal: Black and Silver". >The song says: > >"Direction. Creation. Foundation. > Spans a river we call time, World without end." > >Noting that this song is in fact at least partially Bouchard penned, does >this song fit anywhere into the Imaginos saga? I remember back last year >sometime when Albert stated for the record all the many songs that could >indeed fit somewhere into the whole Imaginos Thang, yet for some reason I >don't remember this song being on it. Actually it never really occured to >me until I finally caught the "world without end" line. Well, back in May of last year, Al posted his thoughts on Imaginos. Al said: > my interpretation of the real order is: >> >> Les Invisibles >> Imaginos >> Del Rio's Song >> Blue Oyster Cult >> Astronomy >> I Am the One You Warned Me Of } these two could flip flop In >> the Presence of Another World } >> The Siege and Investiture of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle at Weisseria >> Magna of Illusion > > >and I more or less agree with that order. I was always more concerned with >this type of thing than Pearlman. Being a drummer, order is important to me. and later in the posting, Al said: >OK You all have fantisized about this. Now it's my turn. >Act One: The Imaginos album we're familiar with. >Act Two: Bombs over Germany > Workshop of the Telescopes > Girl Love Made Blind (left off Imaginos) > ME 262 > The Red and the Black > Cities on Flame ("Motor Cities Burnin" version) > Shadow of California > Half Life Time (very few have heard this one) > Veterans of the Pychic Wars * > Career of Evil * >Act Three: The Mutant Reformation > Take Me Away * > The Vigil * > ETI > R U Ready to Rock > Heavy Metal > Flaming Telepaths > Gil Blanco County (left off Imaginos) > Redeemed >* non-Pearlman songs because I never plan to write another with him and these >tunes kind of fit into the story > >That's my idea of the Imaginos trilogy. Hopefully you can see how some of >these old songs were supposed to fit into it and maybe from all these songs >you can get an idea of the whole story. >Cheers, >Al > R. Uhhh... I hope I didn't violate any copyright laws by posting this... ;-) From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Feb 19 17:24:36 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:24:36 -0500 Subject: Sun Machine in Cleveland Message-ID: > >> As I missed the first NYE show ( looking foward to the tapes, Keith :-) ) > > Speaking of tapes, were there any tapers at this most recent show? > >Cheers, >Carl > > I did not see any recorders, but I think there was someone making a soundboard tape. I did see a video camera. Duane -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." From kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Feb 19 17:29:09 1996 From: kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM (joel wendrow) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:29:09 -0800 Subject: Astronomy Video Message-ID: You wrote: > >Hi Everyone, > >Wanted to follow up on the post about the Astronomy video. >actually I have it on tape (twice). It's purely conceptual, but >captures the Imaginos feel very well. The band is not in it. > >In fact, the first tape I have is from MTV England where >Buck, Eric, and Johnny are being interviewed. There is >a brief reference to the Al-BOC conflict about the album, >then someone mentions that this will be the first time the >band sees the video, which tells you how much they had to >do with it. After it's done, they all look sort of befuddled. >Johhny has the best line: "I think we should use that video >for all our songs"! > >Rich > hi, please tell me how to get a copy. Thankx in advance. Joel From RHamel4129 at AOL.COM Mon Feb 19 18:07:00 1996 From: RHamel4129 at AOL.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:07:00 -0500 Subject: Astronomy Video Message-ID: Hi Joel, Robert Riech is the keeper of the audio and video stuff. Here's his address: RobertReic at aol.com Rich From RHamel4129 at AOL.COM Mon Feb 19 18:14:53 1996 From: RHamel4129 at AOL.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:14:53 -0500 Subject: Astronomy Video Message-ID: Arghh! I didn't mean to post this to the general list!!! Sorry Rob!!!! Rich From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Tue Feb 20 01:19:39 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 01:19:39 -0500 Subject: 1st BOC BBQ Message-ID: Manuel: >Read a little about this 1st Annual BOC BBQ this past week >and was wondering if it was for real or just a joke. It's definitely NOT a joke. The Brewmaster Of Cult, Sir Charles Gow, will be hosting the event on an as yet undetermined date very near the 'Last Days Of May'. His credentials as the 'official' Brewmaster were granted by the band at the 1/26 & 1/27 shows in Konocti & Fairfield. The BOC beers are a reality, but only available to the fortunate few who have met up with Mr. Gow. I sampled the early version of the 'Buck's Blazing Bitter' over the Christmas holiday, and was suitably impressed. Also tasted the original recipe of the Allen's Alien Ale, before it gained the fine moniker. There are now four 'flavors'... Buck's Blazing Bitter Eric's Extraterrestrial Elixir <--- pure inspiration! Allen's Alien Ale Danny's Delirious/Dizbuster/Desdinova Dark >If it's real, count us in!!! Anybody have any details, etc, would be >appreciated if posted. It's so real you can almost taste it! There is also a Red & Black barbeque sauce I haven't sampled yet... >Someone said it will be held on The Last Days Of May? What a cool >idea. Only hope it is held on Memorial Day Weekend so we can take >time off from work. Who is this someone? Are they planning on attending? I'll be flying down from the greater Seattle area for this event, and several of the LA contingent off AOL & alt.m.boc will be in attendance. >Will the band be there to perform?? We can only hope. They are aware of the event, and may be joining us via a 'virtual picnic' from the road. If they can't perform live, we will most definitely work our way through their catalog, and other interesting little recordings... If you have any direct questions, feel free to contact me directly... The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Feb 20 07:56:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:56:00 EST Subject: HW: Kollektor Kure Message-ID: >> That's why you're so silent on Mondays. >> What is the criteria to enter this Stage D Kollektor Forum? >I think they let you in if you have both a black and grey vinyl copy of >the PXR5 12" To kick this Jones you must free yourself of its trappings and avoid temptation. I suffer too, but have yet to hit bottom, so I don't yet seek a cure. Why not help us both out and send all your stuff to me. You will be free and I can OD in short order. Rudy Class B and dropping From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 20 08:02:09 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:02:09 EST Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: > In a message dated 96-02-19 09:12:18 EST, Torgo writes: > > >This line also appears in the song "Heavy Metal: Black and Silver". > >The song says: > > > >"Direction. Creation. Foundation. > > Spans a river we call time, World without end." > > > >Noting that this song is in fact at least partially Bouchard penned, does > >this song fit anywhere into the Imaginos saga? I remember back last year > >sometime when Albert stated for the record all the many songs that could > >indeed fit somewhere into the whole Imaginos Thang, yet for some reason I > >don't remember this song being on it. Actually it never really occured to > >me until I finally caught the "world without end" line. > > Well, back in May of last year, Al posted his thoughts on Imaginos. Al said: > > > > > my interpretation of the real order is: > >> > >> Les Invisibles > >> Imaginos > >> Del Rio's Song > >> Blue Oyster Cult > >> Astronomy > >> I Am the One You Warned Me Of } these two could flip flop In > >> the Presence of Another World } > >> The Siege and Investiture of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle at Weisseria > >> Magna of Illusion > > Glad to see that Al agrees with me that 'Magna' should wrap up 'Imaginos.' Although I didn't come to this conclusion through an analysis of the lyrics, but more from the view that, musically, 'Magna' seemed a fitting crescendo. But looking at the lyrics, it does provide a lot of information, and kind of re-caps a lot of 'Imaginos'' information. > > > >and I more or less agree with that order. I was always more concerned with > >this type of thing than Pearlman. Being a drummer, order is important to me. > > and later in the posting, Al said: > > >OK You all have fantisized about this. Now it's my turn. > >Act One: The Imaginos album we're familiar with. > >Act Two: Bombs over Germany > > Workshop of the Telescopes > > Girl Love Made Blind (left off Imaginos) > > ME 262 > > The Red and the Black > > Cities on Flame ("Motor Cities Burnin" version) > > Shadow of California > > Half Life Time (very few have heard this one) > > Veterans of the Pychic Wars * > > Career of Evil * > >Act Three: The Mutant Reformation > > Take Me Away * > > The Vigil * > > ETI > > R U Ready to Rock > > Heavy Metal > > Flaming Telepaths > > Gil Blanco County (left off Imaginos) > > Redeemed > >* non-Pearlman songs because I never plan to write another with him and > these > >tunes kind of fit into the story Wow! What a killer set that would be, or more appropriately, what a filmed presentation. (piching up AB's thread from a few months ago. All this speculation is both tempting, yet bittersweet. If only this band could have held together and seen through such a project. 'Imaginos' is, for me, a tough album to listen to, in that it shows us, once and for all, the genius that BOC was capable of, esp. appearing after a couple of lackluster albums. And then, after having teased us so, the band sank into semi-obscurity. That coupled with Albert's continued creativity on his own with the Surgeons, just leaves such an impression of vacuum regarding BOC. What if?? If the band could have treated Albert fairly? If Al could ever forgive them, and somehow work with BOC again? (Not that I blame him at all if he chose not to--he's got ample reassons.) 'Imaginos' shines so brightly as an album, evoking the same feelings I have for earlier BOC material, that, while I enjoy it righteously, it still makes me sad every time I listen to it... theo > > > >That's my idea of the Imaginos trilogy. Hopefully you can see how some of > >these old songs were supposed to fit into it and maybe from all these songs > >you can get an idea of the whole story. > >Cheers, > >Al > > > > R. > > Uhhh... I hope I didn't violate any copyright laws by posting this... > > ;-) > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 20 08:46:47 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:46:47 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: Theo writes: >Wow! What a killer set that would be, or more appropriately, what a filmed presentation. (piching up AB's thread from a few months ago. All this speculation is both tempting, yet bittersweet. If only this band could have held together and seen through such a project. 'Imaginos' is, for me, a tough album to listen to, in that it shows us, once and for all, the genius that BOC was capable of, esp. appearing after a couple of lackluster albums. And then, after having teased us so, the band sank into semi-obscurity. That coupled with Albert's continued creativity on his own with the Surgeons, just leaves such an impression of vacuum regarding BOC. What if?? If the band could have treated Albert fairly? If Al could ever forgive them, and somehow work with BOC again? (Not that I blame him at all if he chose not to--he's got ample reassons.) 'Imaginos' shines so brightly as an album, evoking the same feelings I have for earlier BOC material, that, while I enjoy it righteously, it still makes me sad every time I listen to it... theo Well Theo, you've been reading my mind again ;-) Actually, alot of what you said I recently commented on to Wallace McBride's "Transmaniacon PC" column (on ROBODUDE's "Underbelly Online") - he should be posting that response along with others soon. Basically, I feel that while *Imaginos* may be one of the best albums with the BOC name on it, when I think of what "could have", or "should have" been, it's a bit sad to me as well. Without going into everything I said before, I'll just quickly mention the 3 things that "should have" happened, IMHO: 1. Production - should have been at least a double-CD package with the *complete* Imaginos saga, including the unreleased songs, and perhaps a few more. This whole thing was big, a long time coming, and should have been presented in all its glory. 2. Participation - This album should have been recorded primarily by the entire original line-up. Other people maybe could have had major contributions, but the original 5 members of BOC should have done the lion's share of the recording. 3. Albert Bouchard - Were it not for him, Imaginos would be a collection of Pearlman poems, with no music (with the exception of maybe 2 songs). Albert is the musical force behind this album, and to not have had his input at the end, and to not give him full credit for his efforts was just plain WRONG. O.K., now I'm not saying that given the various circumstances at the time that the above things could have come about properly. But when I think about what it should have been . . . As I believe Chip Hart told me recently, it would have been BOC's equivalent of The Who's "Tommy" or Pink Floyd's "The Wall". (hope I'm not misquoting) John From chip at PCC.COM Tue Feb 20 09:05:48 1996 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:05:48 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: <199602201346.IAA05682@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Feb 20, 96 08:46:47 am Message-ID: > 2. Participation - This album should have been recorded primarily by > the entire original line-up. Other people maybe could have had major > contributions, but the original 5 members of BOC should have done the > lion's share of the recording. To nitpick, I think this is true, *only if the original BOC members were in it for the story*. That is, I have no need to know that it's the original BOC if they're in there just for the name's sake or to be hired guns. In fact, some songs - Seige and Invest' - would be about 1/2 as good performed by original BOC members (who woulda' sung that? Eric? I think not...). However, I think the Buck-Al vocal tradeoff would be sorely missed in "Blue Oyster Cult," so what do I know? > As I believe Chip Hart told me recently, it would have been BOC's > equivalent of The Who's "Tommy" or Pink Floyd's "The Wall". (hope I'm > not misquoting) Nope, right on. _The Wall_ is clearly the "high" point of rock opera, or theme albums (being fantastically brilliant, narcissistic, and overblown at the same time - great r'n'r!). The _Imaginos_ saga is equally as interesting and rich with imagery. Of course, I may think all this because Gilmour and Dharma are right there at the top for me. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 20 09:22:00 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:22:00 EST Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: > > > Well Theo, you've been reading my mind again ;-) Actually, alot of > what you said I recently commented on to Wallace McBride's "Transmaniacon > PC" column (on ROBODUDE's "Underbelly Online") - he should be posting > that response along with others soon. Basically, I feel that while > *Imaginos* may be one of the best albums with the BOC name on it, when > I think of what "could have", or "should have" been, it's a bit sad > to me as well. Without going into everything I said before, I'll just > quickly mention the 3 things that "should have" happened, IMHO: > > 1. Production - should have been at least a double-CD package with the > *complete* Imaginos saga, including the unreleased songs, and perhaps > a few more. This whole thing was big, a long time coming, and should > have been presented in all its glory. > Agree wholeheartedly. Esp. given that the band probably knew at the time that it was unlikely they would ever work together again. [or am I mistaken--just my gut, I haven't read the FAQ all that closely] If they knew it would be their last collaboration, then they should have gone out with a huge explosion, a watershed outpouring from BOC's collective well of talent. Given the fans a fitting send-off. Maybe then it wouldn't seem like such a teaser. But then again, maybe it would be just as torturing. > 2. Participation - This album should have been recorded primarily by > the entire original line-up. Other people maybe could have had major > contributions, but the original 5 members of BOC should have done the > lion's share of the recording. > Again total agreement. Again, I plead ignorance, so please excuse my observations if they're way off. But so many of the instruments sound like other musicians, that while it's a brilliant studio effort, I miss the BOC members. For instance, does Al do much drumming on the album? I see Tommy price listed in the credits, and the drumming on 'Imaginos' sounds a lot to me like that on CN, which also featured Tommy. No knock on Tommy, I think he's a fantastic drummer--but he's not Albert. And who the fuck has any right to play guitar on a BOC recording but BD? There's plenty of 'additional guitarwork, sadly, on 'Imaginos.' And Joe relegated to keyboards and vocals? Come on...Again, no dig on Kenny--he's one of the best, but he doesn't bring the same sound to the project. Even the keyboards sound different. How much did Allen contribute? Did he do the amazing piano work on 'Magna,' or was it someone else? > 3. Albert Bouchard - Were it not for him, Imaginos would be a collection > of Pearlman poems, with no music (with the exception of maybe 2 songs). > Albert is the musical force behind this album, and to not have had his > input at the end, and to not give him full credit for his efforts was > just plain WRONG. > Albert's always been at the heart and soul of BOC. It was so apparent, esp. in the early days, seeing them live. Al always drove the entire band. And his songwriting presence should be obvious to all who've observed the bands creative doldrums since he left, esp. when compared to his creative outpourings with the Surgeons. Again makes me winsome considering what he could still be bringing to BOC. What could they be thinking for shafting Al on the final album, and how could they live with themselves trying to appropriate his creativity for themselves? Did they think we wouldn't know? Esp. since Al's presence on 'Imaginos' is so obvious? Like it or not, guys, 'Imaginos' is Al's album. Better to just admit to his talent and live with it. The aftermath of 'Imaginos' greatly shook my admiration for Buck and Eric, two of my all-time heroes. > O.K., now I'm not saying that given the various circumstances at the time > that the above things could have come about properly. But when I think > about what it should have been . . . > > As I believe Chip Hart told me recently, it would have been BOC's > equivalent of The Who's "Tommy" or Pink Floyd's "The Wall". (hope I'm > not misquoting) > > John IMVHO, I think a properly produced 'Imaginos' either as a double album, or perhaps larger, incorporating Albert's trilogy concept (perhaps reworking some existing songs to make them more relevant to the trilogy) and utilizing BOC's instrumentation primarily, would, at least for me, render those two albums as insignificant. [Hey, this IS BOC-L!] theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 20 08:43:35 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 13:43:35 +0000 Subject: Imaginos remakes and outtakes In-Reply-To: <1261EE81D4A@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Feb 19, 96 02:51:21 pm Message-ID: > This is all pretty strange, as Buck is very much a techno-head. > Maybe the engineers had a hand in it. Personally, I like CC, which I > guess just adds to your argument. Steve Stevens' 'Atomic Playboys' > was recorded direct to digital. And I saw an interview with him > where he said how much he hated it, and would never record that way. > And, of course, I happen to think it's one of the greatest-sounding > albums I've ever heard! go figure.... Yeah, I know Buck is a techno-head so I would have expected more polish on _CC_. I myself like it well enough for what it is, but I still think the sound it not where it should have been. Some of the effects are a little ragged, for example--the delay on the opening chords of ETI could be smoother. After all, if I remember the original reports on this project it was really intended to be an album. First it was rerecording the stuff for _The Stand_, then a promo-disc to support the stand, then they decided to just release an album length CD. My take is that they went in, knocked off a few takes, and let it go at that. It just doesn't have the kind of production one would expect from a serious release. Even the Bad Channels songs sound better produced to me. I would think if BOC actually _does_ put out a new album that they would want to polish it up a bit more ... Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 20 08:44:34 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 13:44:34 +0000 Subject: OFF: Sam Gopal _Escalator_ on CD In-Reply-To: <9602192022.AA12381@sonor> from "Johan Edlundh" at Feb 19, 96 09:22:08 pm Message-ID: > > Is the comp with the Opal Butterfly track still available? Are > >there other Opal Butterfly recordings? > > You got the Groupie/Gigging Song 7" from 1970 - with Simon King, but without > Lemmy. > Listen to the single before you pay GBP75 for it (or whatever it costs)... > You might be dissapointed :0) No way am I shelling out 75 quid for a OB 7"! ;) Cheers, Carl From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Feb 20 09:51:49 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:51:49 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: In a message dated 20/02/96 14:29:10, you write: >Even the keyboards >sound different. How much did Allen contribute? Did he do the >amazing piano work on 'Magna,' or was it someone else? Mostly Mandel, wasn't it? On the one hand, of course, I don't give a monkey's who played what on _Imaginos_, because it's a great recording; but on the other, when I first got it, I took the credits at face value, and thought, "Wow, the real BOC have got together, spent a couple of years in the studio, hired top-class session artists as and when needed, and come up with their best album since _Secret Treaties_ - if not better!" (Or was it since _Tyranny & Mutation_? Anwyay.) And I didn't really find out what was up until after I'd seen the Bouchard-free BOC touring _Imaginos_ and only playing three songs from it :( > The aftermath of 'Imaginos' greatly shook my > admiration for Buck and Eric, two of my all-time heroes. Me too. Even worse than when Ian Wright joined Arsenal! :-\ BTW, just listening to Wayne Karmer's _The Hard Stuff_ while sorting some variables according to chi-squareds (yaaaaawn), and this lyric from "Edge of the Switchblade" seemed apposite: On the cutting edge, you might get cut That's a chance you have to take - Andy BTW2, I really can't stand _The Wall_. Just thought I'd pop that in! :) From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Feb 20 09:51:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:51:00 EST Subject: BS: Marathoners Message-ID: Hey Deb & Al, any thoughts of running the 100th Boston this April? They are expecting Woodstock type crowds. I have a friend on the planning committee and there are going to be 37,000 official runners alone. Maybe you could set up a drum kit at the finish line in Copley Square and do a special rendition of "I Plays and Runs". That would get national coverage. I can see Peter Jennings ... "on a final note from the Boston Marathon we have a runner that does more than pound the pavement every day." Rudy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 20 09:59:14 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:59:14 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: Chip comments on mine: > 2. Participation - This album should have been recorded primarily by > the entire original line-up. Other people maybe could have had major > contributions, but the original 5 members of BOC should have done the > lion's share of the recording. To nitpick, I think this is true, *only if the original BOC members were in it for the story*. That is, I have no need to know that it's the original BOC if they're in there just for the name's sake or to be hired guns. In fact, some songs - Seige and Invest' - would be about 1/2 as good performed by original BOC members (who woulda' sung that? Eric? I think not...). Oh, I definitely feel some of the work by outsiders was great - esp. Cerisano's vocal on "Frankenstein", not to mention guitar work by Robbie Krieger et al. I would still have wanted that on the final *Imaginos*. But, as the album stands, it's credited to the 5 original members, but other than Eric/Buck lead vocals and of course all of Albert's input, the participation of the original 5 is somewhat of a misnomer. As I understand it, Joe and Allen provided keyboard work for a few songs, and Buck provided some guitar work for a few. For this to have been the BOC epic that I think it should have been, there needed to be much more participation in the final product. Of course Albert, while not in the band at the time needed to be a major player due to his input. Allen had re-joined the band prior to the release of *Imaginos*, so he should also have been more involved. The odd man out, may have been Joe Bouchard (which, as I understand it, he was the most reluctant to get back involved -- perhaps being the last to leave prior to Imaginos had something to do with this -- maybe Albert could offer some insight here). But he is credited in the writing of 2 of the songs on Imaginos, and to me that justifies hime having more participation as well. Since Jon Rogers was the BOC bassist at the time, I don't think he should have been left out, but perhaps he could have done most of the bass work (Joe didn't, and in fact Kenny Aaronson - a fantastic bassist BTW - did most of the bass work on Imaginos). John From brendah at MBAY.NET Tue Feb 20 10:02:24 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:02:24 -0800 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > don't remember this song being on it. Actually it never really occured to > > me until I finally caught the "world without end" line. > > Actually, I've always casually thought of HM:B&S as part of the > Imaginos Cycle for the same reason. Couldn't begin to think of where, > but I usually shy away from in-depth analysis of the Imaginos material > because, well, it's too much like what I do anyway! ;) There's also the "light that never warms" line somewhere in there... Brenda --- []]]]]]]] Brenda Holloway brendah at mbay.net [[[[[[[[] [[ ]]]]]] Sony New Technologies, Monterey, CA [[[[[[ ]] [[[ ]]]] http://www.sonysoft.com/brenda/ [[[[ ]]] [[[[ ]]] http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ [[[ ]]]] [[[[[ ] C Coder. C Coder Run. Run, Coder, Run. [ ]]]]] From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Feb 20 10:12:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:12:00 EST Subject: OFF: Alien Stinger Message-ID: >> > Well speaking as an alien, at least one here in the US anyway (I'm not >> "I'm an alien - I'm an illegal alien" - sorry, that's Sting... >I thought it was "I'm an alien - I'm a legal alien"... I had the album. People, we're helping Deb make her point. I don't know what album you have, but this is a Phil Collins song and the topic is illegal aliens. There is an amusing video he made for it that takes place in a parodied Latin American setting in which Phil and the boys get popped for dealing in fake documents. If you stop and consider it for a minute, there isn't much to sing about being a legal alien. Sort of like telling tales of safe driving instead of Damnation Alley. Cruising down the highway at a safe speed. The sky is clear and the roads are dry. Rudy From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Feb 20 10:39:08 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:39:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: Alien Stinger In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:12:00 EST." <31295C6B@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: > >> > Well speaking as an alien, at least one here in the US anyway (I'm not > >> "I'm an alien - I'm an illegal alien" - sorry, that's Sting... > >I thought it was "I'm an alien - I'm a legal alien"... I had the album. > > People, we're helping Deb make her point. I don't know what album you have, > but this is a Phil Collins song and the topic is illegal aliens. There is Phil Collins (!) Genesis, please. :-) The Sting quote is correct though. But that's that one about err, that Quentin bloke. "Englishman in New York" Tim From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 20 10:49:23 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:49:23 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: Andy says: (responding to theo) >Even the keyboards >sound different. How much did Allen contribute? Did he do the >amazing piano work on 'Magna,' or was it someone else? Mostly Mandel, wasn't it? Yes, although apparently Tommy Zvonchek overdubbed most of Mandel's work. Allen did provide keys on one or 2 tracks, I believe. >BTW2, I really can't stand _The Wall_. Just thought I'd pop that in! :) Well, o.k., but you get the idea - *Imaginos* should've been as big. John From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue Feb 20 11:12:53 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:12:53 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: <960220095148_327528751@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Feb 20, 96 09:51:49 am Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > On the one hand, of course, I don't give a monkey's who played what on > _Imaginos_, because it's a great recording; but on the other, when I first > got it, I took the credits at face value, and thought, "Wow, the real BOC > have got together, spent a couple of years in the studio, hired top-class > session artists as and when needed, and come up with their best album since > _Secret Treaties_ - if not better!" (Or was it since _Tyranny & Mutation_? > Anwyay.) And I didn't really find out what was up until after I'd seen the > Bouchard-free BOC touring _Imaginos_ and only playing three songs from it :( Heh. When I saw them, on the so-called _Imaginos_ tour, they played nothing at all from it. This was especially ditressing, since I had used the strength of _Imaginos_ to drag along several of my friends who had long since given up any interest in the current state of BOC. Hell, the band didn't even play "Astronomy" (you'll have to excuse me for sounding grouchy about that one - I've seen them 7 or 8 times over the last dozen years, and never seen my favorite song performed). But I know what you mean about the feeling of surprise at the "resurrection" of BOC. I was completely bowled over by the "update" of their classic sound. All the whacked-out imagery, powerhouse songwriting, and just plain BOC-ishness that had been missing all through the 80's was back, in spades. I mistakenly thought (due to the crediting of all original members in the liner notes) that there had a brief, fiery re-union, in the heat of which they had forged the definitive album of their careers - but that they hadn't been able to keep it together, because of the inevitable clash of personalities. I also remembered thinking that it didn't even matter if they didn't put out another album, because they had already brilliantly culminated the career of the Blue Oyster Cult, and anything after this was liable to be a letdown. And then, I started to hear bits and pieces of the real story behind it. Sigh. > > The aftermath of 'Imaginos' greatly shook my > > admiration for Buck and Eric, two of my all-time heroes. Well, I learned a long time ago not to confuse respect for a person's work with personal admiration. I haven't met Eric or Buck, so I don't make any judgement about their character. But I have met Al and Joe, and I'm glad to say - they're just the kind of people that you hope all your idols are like. Steve From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Feb 20 11:26:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:26:00 EST Subject: OFF: Stung Me too Message-ID: >> People, we're helping Deb make her point. I don't know what album you have, >> but this is a Phil Collins song and the topic is illegal aliens. There is >Phil Collins (!) Genesis, please. :-) Arrgh! I just have a copy of the video, not the album and I don't pay a lot of attention to the difference between Phil and Genesis. Lately Phil is Genesis. I just happen to like this song and its video. I don't follow Sting (except the wrestler) so his quote is new to me. The *GENESIS* song certainly got more air play so it's the primary reference for me. Come to think of it, it is on my "G" video compilation tape. Rudy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 20 11:43:41 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:43:41 EST Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: > > > > The aftermath of 'Imaginos' greatly shook my > > > admiration for Buck and Eric, two of my all-time heroes. > > Well, I learned a long time ago not to confuse respect for a person's > work with personal admiration. I haven't met Eric or Buck, so I don't > make any judgement about their character. But I have met Al and Joe, > and I'm glad to say - they're just the kind of people that you hope > all your idols are like. > > Steve Right. Just 'cause someone is talented, doesn't mean they still can't be an asshole. So they're talented assholes, as a friend is fond of saying. I have met them both, and they were more than decent in person, really going beyond the typical graciousness you might expect from a band to its fans. Too bad they couldn't treat one of their own as well... theo From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Feb 20 11:47:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:47:00 EST Subject: HW: In the Zones Message-ID: I'm proud to announce that I got my CDs of _Zones_ and _Mighty Classics_ now. I want to have another go at the "Social Alliance" discussion of a few weeks ago. Jill and the Codex don't consider this version live. I gave it several listens as I frittered away the time awaiting the Swede Ds. (Henrik, next time you've got the ion drive fired up, ask the aliens why the Vikings could cross the Atlantic faster than their FTL ships.) I contend it is live for the following reasons. 1) follows unbroken from Utopia 84, 2) it is in the midst of a live section of the album, 3) the vocals and the Nik sax part certainly have a live ambiance that matches some of the other live songs, 4) the cheering starts in the background as the final notes fade and there is a perceptible hitch in the crowd noise before "Sonic Attack," 5) it was released in the time that it was being done live, 6) Godwin lists it as live in his book. While none of these arguments are ultra compelling, it seems the easiest answer. The sound parts could have been done live in the studio with Dr. Technical adding effects. Why go to the trouble of creating an illusion of live (if it isn't really live) when the real thing is available? I know, who can fathom their thinking. If it isn't live, somebody put some effort into making it seem that way, at least somewhat. It is a great song whatever its origin. But if it is studio, a really poor recording job. ______________ Motorway City - it ain't the same. The _Zones_ album has gotten some lukewarm comments and I can see why. The studio songs have their moments, but nothing too great. However, it is worth getting for the "Motorway City" version alone. Of the 4 official versions I have on CD, it is far and away the best. The crystalline atmospherics are noticeably absent, but they are replaced by an acidic warble that hangs at the edge and really stings after a while. Huw's guitar really gleams through (full synesthetic flashbacks after the 3rd straight play). The jam at the end could have gone on for hours as far as I'm concerned. It churns along with a relentless bottom beat (Harvey just changes loudness instead of notes) that overwhelms me as I listen. Then the guitars start to fire up at the end as it fades. A lot like a shuttle launch when the main engines fire about 3 to 5 seconds before launch. They show what power is to come, but you don't know when or the full effect. Unfortunately, this one is like the abort just before the solid boosters lit that happened once. The mothers edited that liftoff out. Now I have to make up what should have been there and it becomes an interactive song. Rudy What does "Sju" mean? From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Feb 20 12:16:22 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:16:22 +0100 Subject: Sju (Was: HW: In the Zones) Message-ID: >Rudy >What does "Sju" mean? guess you're talking darXtar here? "sju" is the same as "seven" ain't it an odd name on their fourth album..? \\joe From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Feb 20 12:19:40 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 12:19:40 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: Steve sez >Hell, the band didn't even play "Astronomy" (you'll have to excuse me >for sounding grouchy about that one - I've seen them 7 or 8 times over >the last dozen years, and never seen my favorite song performed). Just to make you even more grouchy - they played a terrific version first time I saw them (Hammy Odeon, '78), with the lasers bouncing off the mirror-ball... :) - Andy From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 20 13:25:00 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:25:00 GMT Subject: HW: Nektar and Calvert Message-ID: I've got a spare copy of the Nektar "Down To Earth" album that has Bob Calvert as guest in case anyone is interested in expanding their vinyl collection. Price is 10 pounds + postage (or nearest - reasonable! - offer) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 20 14:06:53 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:06:53 +0000 Subject: Sju (Was: HW: In the Zones) In-Reply-To: <9602201716.AA04707@sonor> from "Johan Edlundh" at Feb 20, 96 06:16:22 pm Message-ID: > >What does "Sju" mean? > > guess you're talking darXtar here? > "sju" is the same as "seven" > ain't it an odd name on their fourth album..? I tried working it out and failed :) Even counting cassettes, there aren't seven releases (that I know of), there aren't seven members, there aren't seven songs. Perhaps they called it _Sju_ because there were _no_ sevens associated with the band! ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 20 14:23:29 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:23:29 +0000 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: <138A2A01B4E@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Feb 20, 96 09:22:00 am Message-ID: > > 2. Participation - This album should have been recorded primarily > by > > the entire original line-up. Other people maybe could have had major > > contributions, but the original 5 members of BOC should have done the > > lion's share of the recording. > > > Again total agreement. Again, I plead ignorance, so please excuse my > observations if they're way off. But so many of the instruments > sound like other musicians, that while it's a brilliant studio > effort, I miss the BOC members. For instance, does Al do much > drumming on the album? I see Tommy price listed in the credits, and > the drumming on 'Imaginos' sounds a lot to me like that on CN, which > also featured Tommy. I should certainly think Al did _most_ of the drumming on _Imaginos_. He oversaw the bulk of the work on it, after all, *years* before BOC became involved with it. > And who the fuck has any right to play > guitar on a BOC recording but BD? There's plenty of 'additional > guitarwork, sadly, on 'Imaginos.' Well, let's recall that _Imaginos_ began life as a non-BOC project. Someone had to play guitar on it! And some of those guitarists are no slouches (Krieger, Satriani, etc.). > And Joe relegated to keyboards and > vocals? Come on...Again, no dig on Kenny--he's one of the best, but > he doesn't bring the same sound to the project. Al has the answers here, but I suspect that Joe just didn't want to become that involved. I suspect he helped Al at some phase of the project when the bass parts from KA were already in place. > Even the keyboards > sound different. How much did Allen contribute? Very little, I imagine. > > As I believe Chip Hart told me recently, it would have been BOC's > > equivalent of The Who's "Tommy" or Pink Floyd's "The Wall". (hope I'm > > not misquoting) > > IMVHO, I think a properly produced 'Imaginos' either as a double > album, or perhaps larger, incorporating Albert's trilogy concept > (perhaps reworking some existing songs to make them more relevant to > the trilogy) and utilizing BOC's instrumentation primarily, would, at > least for me, render those two albums as insignificant. [Hey, this IS > BOC-L!] Amen! I think at some hazy point in the future _Imaginos_ could be taken further, but I wouldn't really want to rely on BOC-band input. I think the stunning success (from an artistic standpoint, if not commercial ;) of _Imaginos_ as a primarily non-BOC project obviates the need for a "reunion" line-up. It's not a realistic projection anyway, so I won't waste overmuch energy wishing for it. _Imaginos_ seems to have grown out of the idea of Al calling in various friends and acquaintances and hired guns to breathe life into this twisted vision of Pearlman's. I can't really see it becoming a tBS thing, even though I'd love to tBS do takes on some of the Imaginos material. No, really I see Imaginos as something beyond a one-band project--it's just to big, and the sound is not really a "band" sound, as I see it. It's more a sonic sculpture, a recombination of plot, and poetry, and music. Had BOC actually created _Imaginos_, it would have been their ultimate creation, but that they didn't takes nothing away from the album. The real loss as that it wasn't continued ... ... but, hey! It's random access myth, after all .... :) Cheers, Carl From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Feb 20 14:52:54 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:52:54 +0000 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wonder how Sandy Pearlman is going to market the multimedia Imaginos game? Is this going to have the BOC name splashed all over it? Or is Al going to get his due credit for the music? Dave From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 20 15:36:06 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:36:06 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: Dave asks: >I wonder how Sandy Pearlman is going to market the multimedia Imaginos game? Well, for what it's worth, Bolle has serious doubts about this ever becoming a reality. Bolle feels Pearlman will need some corporate backing to do this, and at the moment (as far as anyone knows) such backing is not exactly forthcoming. Don't anybody hold their breath . . . John From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Feb 20 15:35:05 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:35:05 +0100 Subject: Sju (Was: HW: In the Zones) Message-ID: >> >What does "Sju" mean? >> >> guess you're talking darXtar here? >> "sju" is the same as "seven" >> ain't it an odd name on their fourth album..? > > I tried working it out and failed :) Even counting cassettes, >there aren't seven releases (that I know of), there aren't seven members, >there aren't seven songs. close to the edge, Carl :0) > Perhaps they called it _Sju_ because there were _no_ sevens >associated with the band! ;) Hint: each of the three first album has seven tracks, but not the fourth... >Cheers, >Carl \\joe From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Tue Feb 20 16:01:26 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:01:26 -0600 Subject: OFF: Sam Gopal _Escalator_ on CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > >all i want to know is is it psychedelic? > > >also who's carrying it -mail orderwise? > > >i like the opal butterfly track on -"electric sugarcubes flashbacks" > > >english psyche comp. > > > > _Escalator_ was recorded 1968, and it was heavy the same way Zeppelin s/t was. > > Strange kind of heaviness though, because there was no drum kit used at all > > - just the tabla drumming by Sam Gopal himself. > > Remains me in some way of Gun's first, that one with "Race with the Devil". > > Cool heavy blues'n roll, yes! > > psycedelic, no. > > I dunno. It wobbles in and out of weird reverby wobbly 1968 > kind of psychedelia. It's not _really_ even that heavy. Lemmy's own > songs are pretty light even, though "Escalator" itself will sound > immediately familar as a classic Lemmy-type rave up. > There _is_ even a drum kit used on a few songs, presumably > played by Mr. Gopal himself, who does all the tabla drumming too. > It is definitely an unusual document, but pretty worthwhile. > > Is the comp with the Opal Butterfly track still available? Are > there other Opal Butterfly recordings? > > Cheers, > Carl > yes it is available - i got mine through bomp - only $10 they also have some u.s. psychedelic comps - i just got 30 seconds over the calico wall $10- it is pretty darn cool also have beyond the calico wall $10- this one is essential for any 60's psyche fiends - find out what happens when garage bands drop acid and get let into recording studios btw - the sound quality on all these comps is great for what they are that is ultra rare 45's recorded onto cd - there are a few tracks taken from the masters but not many - nothing as poor as bring me the head of yuri though. -mike psyche From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 20 16:32:15 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:32:15 EST Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: > > And who the fuck has any right to play > > guitar on a BOC recording but BD? There's plenty of 'additional > > guitarwork, sadly, on 'Imaginos.' > > Well, let's recall that _Imaginos_ began life as a non-BOC > project. Someone had to play guitar on it! And some of those guitarists > are no slouches (Krieger, Satriani, etc.). > They may be no slouches, but they ain't Buck either. I mean to slag these other guys in no way. All the additional musicians on the project are excellent musicians, but none of them have ever been involved in a band quite like BOC. I don't give a shit how many notes per second Satriani can play or how many modes he can name. His playing can never send the goosebumps up my spine the way Buck's can. Now, how much of that has to do with the context in which Buck is playing? Good question. I've always maintained that BOC was way more than the sum of its parts, and that's why I take exception with the presence of outsiders. There just seems to exist within that band a chemistry that's never been matched[for me anyway]by any other band. theo > > > As I believe Chip Hart told me recently, it would have been BOC's > > > equivalent of The Who's "Tommy" or Pink Floyd's "The Wall". (hope I'm > > > not misquoting) > > > > IMVHO, I think a properly produced 'Imaginos' either as a double > > album, or perhaps larger, incorporating Albert's trilogy concept > > (perhaps reworking some existing songs to make them more relevant to > > the trilogy) and utilizing BOC's instrumentation primarily, would, at > > least for me, render those two albums as insignificant. [Hey, this IS > > BOC-L!] > > Amen! I think at some hazy point in the future _Imaginos_ could > be taken further, but I wouldn't really want to rely on BOC-band input. > I think the stunning success (from an artistic standpoint, if not > commercial ;) of _Imaginos_ as a primarily non-BOC project obviates the > need for a "reunion" line-up. It's not a realistic projection anyway, > so I won't waste overmuch energy wishing for it. Don't mistake my desire for the original lineup as some exercise in nostalgia. And I know there's plenty of ill-will to go around. But I still believe that the entity known as BOC had some collective magic in working with this kind of material. I just don't see any other combination of msicians as being able to do justice to this kind of music. MVHO, take it or leave it. I bleed BOC blue! theo > From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue Feb 20 17:15:54 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:15:54 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Feb 20, 96 07:23:29 pm Message-ID: Somebody, in what I assume was a demented fit, wrote: > > And who the fuck has any right to play > guitar on a BOC recording but BD? There's plenty of 'additional > guitarwork, sadly, on 'Imaginos.' Look, Buck is probably my favorite guitar player. However... Who the fuck has the "the right" to call Al's album a BOC album? He wrote all the songs (except the ones written by Joe, also *not* a BOC member). He and the "Imaginos Band" performed them. BOC (meaning the members of the band in the late 80's) overdubbed the vocals onto those existing tracks. Numerous hired guns added guitar/synths/FX/etc. But it's not a BOC album. No way. No how. I've heard Al's Imaginos band tracks, and that stuff *is* the album. All the rest is just a coat of gloss. So you can stop getting high-handed about who has the "right" to play guitar on a "BOC" album, because Imaginos ain't their album. Which is too bad, because Imaginos is a better than anything that BOC has done for 15 years. Steve From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 20 17:46:09 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:46:09 EST Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: > Somebody, in what I assume was a demented fit, wrote: > > > > And who the fuck has any right to play > > guitar on a BOC recording but BD? There's plenty of 'additional > > guitarwork, sadly, on 'Imaginos.' I resemble that remark theo > > Look, Buck is probably my favorite guitar player. However... > > Who the fuck has the "the right" to call Al's album a BOC album? He > wrote all the songs (except the ones written by Joe, also *not* a BOC > member). He and the "Imaginos Band" performed them. BOC (meaning the > members of the band in the late 80's) overdubbed the vocals onto those > existing tracks. Numerous hired guns added guitar/synths/FX/etc. > But it's not a BOC album. No way. No how. I've heard Al's Imaginos > band tracks, and that stuff *is* the album. All the rest is just a > coat of gloss. > > So you can stop getting high-handed about who has the "right" to > play guitar on a "BOC" album, because Imaginos ain't their album. > > Which is too bad, because Imaginos is a better than anything that > BOC has done for 15 years. > > Steve Steve, Of course you're right. But I think a lot of my fervor arises from frustration over the fact that 'Imaginos' is such a great album, and I wish it had been a BOC record and a signal that the band could re- approach the greatness of old. And, BTW, I totally agree with you that 'Imaginos' is better than anything BOC's done in a long while. As for the BOC's 'rights,' I recon they've lost any claim to them by virtue of the way they've treated Al [which I believe i've said over and over inother posts]. Still, I do love to speculate about what might have happened if BOC could have been in on the project from the get-go. And I'll stick by my statements that a full-blown 'Imaginos' trilogy as envisioned by Al would be the ultimate album for me, and I still believe the original lineup would be the proper vehicle for such a project. theo From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Tue Feb 20 18:02:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:02:00 -0500 Subject: US tour logbook Message-ID: Hello, Jim Collins has just sent me his latest Tentacles of Erpland newsletter and he has put together a log book of photos, concert ads, reviews etc from the Hawkwind US tour 1995. It is in two parts. The first part is done now and is 41 pages long. He has also almost finished with the Nik Turner Space Ritual Logbook 95', with similar material. Jim saw nearly all of the HW US 95' shows and 6 or 8 of the Nik turner shows. Each book costs $5. Jim Collins P.O.Box 307 Crete, ILL 60417 (708) 755- 5421 Scott "I used to see a professor that I thought was brilliant; I had tremendous respect for him. At lunch, he was drinking only milk because he could not afford anything else. And I thought, if I studied 10 more years, I would be at that level". Sandor Zeidlas, a third year student in Chemistry, who quit to go into business. Quote from Science magazine article on European Universities (Hungary). From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Feb 20 18:19:56 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:19:56 -0700 Subject: 1st BOC BBQ In-Reply-To: <960220011937_426869681@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Sounds great!!!! We will plan on attending (Jean & I). I don't drink, but man do I love BBQ!!! Thank you for you information. We shall try to be there. God bless... BOC, BBQ, & Coffee-Life is great!!!! Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From RHamel4129 at AOL.COM Tue Feb 20 18:59:36 1996 From: RHamel4129 at AOL.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:59:36 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: Hi, I too was first happily stunned by Imaginos, and then, only recently last year when I got hold of the FAQ did I find out the real story. I had seen the band in Kingston NH on the Ninja tour and thought "that's it, their done". It was probably the only concert I ever came away from sad. A couple of years later, assuming they were long gone, my best friend who is also a huge fan heard the new Astronomy. We camped out in front of the radio waiting to hear it again! We were estatic. I also thought it would be the last BOC album and that they had finished it perfectly: a great album, with the original members listed as in the band. I was also glad Johnny was credited since he was in the band almost as long as Joe and he fit too. He deserved it. I saw them live and they did "I am the one you warned me of", "Astronomy", "Del Rio's Song", and I think they did "In the presence". Sadly, then I saw the FAQ. i almost wished I had never seen it. Rich From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 20 19:25:25 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:25:25 EST Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: > Hi, > > I too was first happily stunned by Imaginos, and then, only recently last > year when I > got hold of the FAQ did I find out the real story. > > I had seen the band in Kingston NH on the Ninja tour and thought "that's > it, their done". It was probably the only concert I ever came away from > sad. Yeah, I too saw the 2 oyster cult tour, with the same reaction. A real kich in the guts. > > A couple of years later, assuming they were long gone, my best friend > who is also a huge fan heard the new Astronomy. We camped out in > front of the radio waiting to hear it again! We were estatic. I also > thought it would be the last BOC album and that they had > finished it perfectly: a great album, with the original members > listed as in the band. I was also glad Johnny was credited since > he was in the band almost as long as Joe and he fit too. He > deserved it. > > I saw them live and they did "I am the one you warned me of", > "Astronomy", "Del Rio's Song", and I think they did "In the > presence". Sadly, then I saw the FAQ. i almost wished I had > never seen it. > > Rich Yeah, again. I knew long before I saw the FAQ that something was up with 'Imaginos.' Just from seeing them so much, and being familiar with some of the 'additional musicians'I knew that a big chunk of BOC was missing from the album. At the same time, I was happy for AL, 'cause I could tell from the first listen that it was pretty much his solo album. But I thought the BOC was more involved with the record. Then, hearing how they tried to grab Al's project right out from under him, and them ripped him off as well...the FAQ was...well, I'm glad to have read it, really. If anything, it tells everyone, finally, what a brillian musician AL is. And, it looks like the Surgeons are going to be a great band, if they get any breaks at all. Look at it this way: without the FAQ, Al wouldn't get the credit he deserves from all us BOC fans. As far as the dirt the band's done him, well, human nature will do strange things with people's hearts, and I suspect there was a lot of ego-tripping, greed, and drug abuse involved to help the process along the way, not that that gives anyone any excuses. I still dig seeing what's left of BOC, just for Buck's incredible guitar work. All the foregoing shit hasn't done anything to his talent... theo From RHamel4129 at AOL.COM Tue Feb 20 22:19:18 1996 From: RHamel4129 at AOL.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:19:18 -0500 Subject: Imaginos and Astronomy Message-ID: Hi Again, Re: the show in Kingston NH I saw before the Imaginso album came out wasn't 2 OC, it was 3 OC. A year earlier in I believe June '86 I saw 2OC with Tommy Zvoncheck and I THINK Jimmy Wilcox on drums. The '87 (or maybe even '88) had Allen back in the band and Ron Riddle on drums. Riddle may have been the drummer when I saw them in '86, I forget (whoever it was they didn't know the tunes at the time). Back to the Astronomy video for a sec though. A question for Al: Did you have anything to do with the creation of it, or was it SP's gig? Rich From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Tue Feb 20 23:12:59 1996 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:12:59 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: Forgive my candor, but.. There are few things more despicable to me than artists' being denied credit and/or money for their contributions. From what I've read on this list and the FAQ, the original BOC guys (Eric, Buck, et al) sound like total shysters! If this is the case, then why are people on this list so hell-bent on supporting their sorry asses? Just curious.... Chris From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Wed Feb 21 02:42:21 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:42:21 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: Gentlemen... >From almost every angle, the whole situation surrounding BOC & Imaginos reads like a Shakespearian tragedy, with little hope of reconciliation between Capulet & Montague... I would like nothing more than for bygones to be bygones, and the full story be told. But alas, poor yorick, it is not to be... Join me... Put on your headphones, and descend into the illusion... The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Wed Feb 21 02:42:33 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:42:33 -0500 Subject: 1st BOC BBQ Message-ID: Manuel: >Sounds great!!!! >We will plan on attending (Jean & I). >I don't drink, but man do I love BBQ!!! >Thank you for you information. We shall try to be there. It will be happening over Memorial Day weekend in Santa Rosa! Accomodation information to be posted as soon as available. If you can't sample the BOC beers, you can still taste the Red & Black barbeque sauce... =) >Jean Delacour >University of New Mexico That's a long drive, Manuel! Keep in touch with your plans... The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Wed Feb 21 05:20:07 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:20:07 +0000 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 20 Feb 1996 to 21 Feb 1996 In-Reply-To: <199602211000.KAA25424@listserv.rl.ac.uk> Message-ID: Deep Purple are playing on Sunday night in Leicester, UK. I just don't know wether I ought to fork out the 16UKP for the ticket - seems a bit steep to me! Has anyone seen them lately - if so what's the line-up and are they worth seeing now? (I wouold have killed to see them in '85) You can e-mail me direct on the address below Regards Maxine The night shall be filled with music And the cares that infest the day mxw at dmu.ac.uk Shall fold their tents like the Arabs http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw/ And as silently steal away. Honda CB250 RS H.W. Longfellow From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 21 05:25:05 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:25:05 GMT Subject: OFF: Alien Stinger In-Reply-To: bart's message of Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:39:08 +0000 Message-ID: > > >> > Well speaking as an alien, at least one here in the US anyway (I'm not > > >> "I'm an alien - I'm an illegal alien" - sorry, that's Sting... > > >I thought it was "I'm an alien - I'm a legal alien"... I had the album. > > > > People, we're helping Deb make her point. I don't know what album you have, > > but this is a Phil Collins song and the topic is illegal aliens. There is > > Phil Collins (!) Genesis, please. :-) > > The Sting quote is correct though. But that's that one about err, that > Quentin bloke. "Englishman in New York" > > Och well - seeing as I started this thread 8-) "The Englishman in New York" alien lyric I'm sure is done by Sting although whether he wrote it or whether or not it appears on an album I have no idea. I heard the lyric through watching a car advert (for ?Rover cars?) where this guy is sitting in his British (English) car listening to a cricket match on the radio as if he's back in England although still in New York. It's a sad life.... However I probably *did* mishear the lyric and is should correctly be "I'm a legal alien - I'm an Englishman in New York" cheers jill > Tim ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Wed Feb 21 05:44:54 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:44:54 GMT Subject: OFF: Alien Stinger Message-ID: Jill said: >I heard the > lyric through watching a car advert (for ?Rover cars?) where this guy is > sitting in his British (English) car listening to a cricket match on the Of course Rover cars are actually German now > It's a sad life.... I don't know really... a New York apartment big enough to park a car, a beautiful woman playing a grand piano and the cricket to watch... seems pretty fine to me :-) (Hmmm sorry to the non-Brits who're finding this totally meaningless!) > However I probably *did* mishear the lyric and is should correctly be > "I'm a legal alien - I'm an Englishman in New York" I've also been mis-hearing this I think there's another line later which is *I like my toast done on one side*. Is this supposed to be the English way? No wonder we lost our bloody empire :-) Chris From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Wed Feb 21 06:06:26 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:06:26 +0000 Subject: Of topic followup Message-ID: Thankyou to Chris Bates who mailed me with the answer to my question about Deep Purple. For those who are also interested this is what he said: QUOTE "Haven't seen this line-up of Purple (or bought the album yet...) but from all reports they're very much the dogs bollocks. The line-up is Gillan, Glover, Paice, Lord and Steve Morse. Morse has replaced Joe Satriani who took over in the middle of a tour last year when Blackmore threw a moody. Satch was unable to join the band due to contractual reasons. Morse is a well-known metal/jazz/country instrumentalist and used to play with the Dixie Dregs, he's a sort of heavier Eric Johnson if that name means anything to you. The new album is apparently a return to the sound of the early '70s (Fireball, In Rock etc) and they're doing a lot of improvising live. There's no drum solo and, whilst he can't do Child In Time anymore, Gillan is said to be on top form. 16 quid has got to be good value for money. And yes, they were bloody good at Knebworth in '85 :-)" Cheerio MAxine From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 21 06:06:59 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:06:59 GMT Subject: OffTopic: US politics In-Reply-To: Ted O. Jackson's message of Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:15:25 EST Message-ID: I just saw the New Hampshire result. I presume that the Republicans will now need to mount a "stop Buchanan" campaign in order to prevent a disaster in November? The question is will the establishment stick with what looks to be a fading Dole who has the campaign machinery but probably can't beat Clinton or go with Alexander who's had a couple of good results, has no funding or electoral organisation and might just be able to beat Clinton in the charisma stakes? Cheers FoFP From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Wed Feb 21 06:53:42 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:53:42 -0500 Subject: OffTopic: US politics Message-ID: > >I just saw the New Hampshire result. I presume that the Republicans will >now need to mount a "stop Buchanan" campaign in order to prevent a >disaster in November? The question is will the establishment stick with >what looks to be a fading Dole who has the campaign machinery but >probably can't beat Clinton or go with Alexander who's had a couple of >good results, has no funding or electoral organisation and might just be >able to beat Clinton in the charisma stakes? > >Cheers > >FoFP > > As with most US politicians, the only answer they could concieve is run the guy with the most money, and hope to use the media to discredit the other guys. This is business as usual, and I don't think a leopard can change his spots. I don't have a problem with any person having strong ideals and moral convictions, I respect a person who does, but I don't believe that the US should have a president that would force the country to live by the moral convictions of a small segment of society. If the Republicans can do no better than Buchannon, then it seems we are to have Clinton for another 4 years. Duane -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 21 08:06:44 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:06:44 EST Subject: OffTopic: US politics Message-ID: > >I just saw the New Hampshire result. I presume that the Republicans will > >now need to mount a "stop Buchanan" campaign in order to prevent a Well, it looks like it. Buchanan is the worst thing the old-guard GOP can envision [unless they think he could actually win] They're trying to look more centrist, but Buchanan is anything but. > >disaster in November? The question is will the establishment stick with > >what looks to be a fading Dole who has the campaign machinery but > >probably can't beat Clinton or go with Alexander who's had a couple of > >good results, has no funding or electoral organisation and might just be > >able to beat Clinton in the charisma stakes? > > > >Cheers > > > >FoFP Tough call. They may not be able to avert a disaster, unless things in Bosnia go radically wrong. Americans always vote with their wallets, and the economy is doing pretty well--a lot better than when Clinton took office. And, he can claim this success despite gridlock and the continued opposition from both houses. Plus, I think general voter apathy may return a healthy portion of the GOP freshman class back to the streets. If the GOP pins its hopes on Dole, they may be in for a long haul--hell, he's getting piss-pounded by Buchanan. Looks to me like he's getting a pretty lukewarm response. Alexander is the dark horse. He's done okay so far, but the Buchanan win in NH will provide plenty of fuel for Pat to stick around, and too much internicine fighting may leave Alexander too bloody to beat Clinton. > > > As with most US politicians, the only answer they could concieve is run the > guy with the most money, and hope to use the media to discredit the other > guys. This is business as usual, and I don't think a leopard can change his > spots. I don't have a problem with any person having strong ideals and > moral convictions, I respect a person who does, but I don't believe that > the US should have a president that would force the country to live by the > moral convictions of a small segment of society. If the Republicans can do > no better than Buchannon, then it seems we are to have Clinton for another > 4 years. > > Duane > Well, the 'small segment issue is the crux of US politics. Only about 40% of the eligible electorate votes, so no matter who wins, only about 25% of the voters wind up making the decisions for the whole country. Not too fair even if you like the guy who wins! theo " Back to the earth I screamed, > and no one listened to me. > Back to the earth I lived, > and they all followed..." > From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 21 08:17:42 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:17:42 GMT Subject: OffTopic: US politics In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:53:42 -0500 Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: > > > >I just saw the New Hampshire result. I presume that the Republicans will > >now need to mount a "stop Buchanan" campaign in order to prevent a > >disaster in November? The question is will the establishment stick with > >what looks to be a fading Dole who has the campaign machinery but > >probably can't beat Clinton or go with Alexander who's had a couple of > >good results, has no funding or electoral organisation and might just be > >able to beat Clinton in the charisma stakes? > > > >Cheers > > > >FoFP > > > > > As with most US politicians, the only answer they could concieve is run the > guy with the most money, and hope to use the media to discredit the other > guys. This is business as usual, and I don't think a leopard can change his > spots. I wondered if they do negative campaigning because they're naturally mean guys or if it's due to it having proven out that this is the most effective way of campaigning. If the latter then it's really the electorate who are to blame. > I don't have a problem with any person having strong ideals and > moral convictions, I respect a person who does, Indeed. > but I don't believe that > the US should have a president that would force the country to live by the > moral convictions of a small segment of society. That's basically why I'm a libertarian. > If the Republicans can do > no better than Buchannon, then it seems we are to have Clinton for another > 4 years. Like us, it looks like you don't really get the option of electing anyone a reasonable person would want to have any control over their lives. Anyway. Since this is so off topic and since there are politics junkies and folks who like to debate here, maybe I could fly a kite for setting up a separate mailing list to cover the US campaign in particular and politics in general? I can probably get access to software here to do that. It's in my interest since I'd probably get news I wouldn't otherwise get. I'm not sure what I could contribute though. Maybe an outside perspective? Anyway, let me know if interested and if there are enough, I'll set something up. I'd figure on folks from BOC-L plus any invited guests from elsewhere that they figure would make a contribution. Duane Cheers FoFP From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 21 08:21:20 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:21:20 EST Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: > > Forgive my candor, but.. > > There are few things more despicable to me than artists' being denied credit > and/or > money for their contributions. From what I've read on this list and the FAQ, > the original > BOC guys (Eric, Buck, et al) sound like total shysters! > If this is the case, then why are people on this list so hell-bent on > supporting their > sorry asses? > > Just curious.... > > Chris Chris, A few possible explanations: Nostalgia. A lot of us [and I must confess to this offense at times] just can't let go of the idea of the original BOC producing such great music. While Albert has always been at the core of BOC, a lot of us also liked the music the other members of the band generated as well. Hey, these guys have been our heroes for years. It's hard to dump them after so long. We likely are trying to hold to a slim hope that they may someday do the right thing, acknowledge their sins, and one day go on to create great music again, hopefully with Albert. I love Al's work with the Surgeons, but I prefer his work with BOC. Pragmatism. The rest of BOC probably acted somewhat out of desperation in shafting AL. BOC was on the skids seriously circa 'Imaginos,' and I suspect that they may have decided to try to grab credit for 'Imaginos' in hopes of re-inflating their careers [of evil!]. For a bunch of guys who were used to playing in arenas, and then found themselves back in bars, the temptation to grab for the big one must have been overwhelming. Not to be condoned, of course, and in some ways, I'm glad it didn't work. It's just too bad that the aftermath was so awful, with everyone destroyed in the bloodbath. Though it looks like Al is recovering nicely with tBS. Possibility of another angle. It's likely that the rest of BOC was familiar with a lot of 'Imaginos'before the recording project got under way. Weren't a lot of those tunes old themes that Al had been working on for years? Isn't it possible that BOC had jammed on these tunes, and helped Al polish them over the years? I don't know, and could be way off. Please correct me here. But if this had been the case, then the rest may have considered themselves more involved in the project than Al would be willing to give them credit for. None of these scenarios offer any really palpable paliative, but they do at least offer some explanation, at least as I see it. theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 21 08:53:34 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:53:34 +0000 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: <960221024218_328495918@mail02.mail.aol.com> from "Douglas A. Mitchell" at Feb 21, 96 02:42:21 am Message-ID: > >From almost every angle, the whole situation surrounding BOC > & Imaginos reads like a Shakespearian tragedy, with little hope > of reconciliation between Capulet & Montague... > > I would like nothing more than for bygones to be bygones, and > the full story be told. But alas, poor yorick, it is not to be... For God's sake, let us sit upon the floor and tell bedtime stories to the children of the damned .... ;) Cheers, Carl From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 21 08:51:38 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:51:38 EST Subject: OffTopic: US politics Message-ID: > > > > > As with most US politicians, the only answer they could concieve is run the > > guy with the most money, and hope to use the media to discredit the other > > guys. This is business as usual, and I don't think a leopard can change his > > spots. > > I wondered if they do negative campaigning because they're naturally > mean guys or if it's due to it having proven out that this is the most > effective way of campaigning. If the latter then it's really the > electorate who are to blame. > Probably a little of both. It takes a certain kind of heavy competitiveness to get into politics in the first place. But really, I think negative campaigning is effective for a couple of reasons. First, when people are disaffected, they're more likely to attack, so, in hopes of finding blame, they leap to the chance to say something negative about anything! Also, name calling and negative press removes the need to show your own plans or attributes. By focusing on how bad the other guy is, you don't have to say how you would make things different. It also panders to the basic American political apathy of late. It's a lot easier for voters to dump on someone's personal life than than become truly informed on substantive issues. This is the TV, nintendo, spectator-vs- participator nature of the US. To become informed of the issues would require thought, creativity and study--all things that would take Americans away from their blessed TV comedies and childish fascination with sports. Heaven forbid any American would be caught dead watching a political program on TV when there's a basketball game to be watched. We always go for the junk food even when there's gourmet cooking available that might actually challenge the mental palate[sp?] > > > I don't have a problem with any person having strong ideals and > > moral convictions, I respect a person who does, > > Indeed. > > > but I don't believe that > > the US should have a president that would force the country to live by the > > moral convictions of a small segment of society. > > That's basically why I'm a libertarian. > > > If the Republicans can do > > no better than Buchannon, then it seems we are to have Clinton for another > > 4 years. > > Like us, it looks like you don't really get the option of electing > anyone a reasonable person would want to have any control over their > lives. But what's so frustrating is that the US could make sweeping changes. The very groups of people who are getting shafted have removed themselves from the political process. The sad fact is that all the rich assholes vote, so they keep consolidating their power. The poor have given up. They don't vote, so they are now contributing to their own enslavement. The power to change it exists, if only the people would use it. But again, that requires a great deal of intellectual participation and self-education. Sadly, most Americans simply chose to give up. > Anyway. Since this is so off topic and since there are politics junkies > and folks who like to debate here, maybe I could fly a kite for setting > up a separate mailing list to cover the US campaign in particular and > politics in general? I can probably get access to software here to do > that. It's in my interest since I'd probably get news I wouldn't > otherwise get. I'm not sure what I could contribute though. Maybe an > outside perspective? > This is an excellent idea, and I, for one relish the chance of participating. We really do have to take this politics talks off- Line, before we start getting flamed or even kicked off BOC-L. Really! You'll have to set it up, 'cause I'm too computer illiterate to handle the job. Let me know how it works! theo > Anyway, let me know if interested and if there are enough, I'll set > something up. I'd figure on folks from BOC-L plus any invited guests > from elsewhere that they figure would make a contribution. > > Duane > > Cheers > > FoFP > From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Wed Feb 21 08:59:55 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:59:55 EST Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: It's amazing how such a non-BOC effort sounds so BOC in the final analysis. They didnt move much off the original BOC formula if what you all are saying is true. RR From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 21 09:08:13 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:08:13 +0000 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: <9602210306.AA3222@worldcom-45.worldcom.com> from "Chris Baxley" at Feb 20, 96 11:12:59 pm Message-ID: > There are few things more despicable to me than artists' being denied credit > and/or > money for their contributions. From what I've read on this list and the FAQ, > the original > BOC guys (Eric, Buck, et al) sound like total shysters! > If this is the case, then why are people on this list so hell-bent on > supporting their > sorry asses? Fair question. For one, I'm not so familiar with the situation that I feel like making moral judgements. Furthermore, I don't really want to have to associate music with the drawing of moral battlelines-- if BOC (whoever that may be) are going to make good music I'll listen. Yeah, they may be lazy asses incapable of doing anything new, but the shows are cool as long as you keep enough time apart between them to forget how similar they all are ;) Besides, it's all water under the bridge and spilt milk. Yeah, maybe if there had been a reconciliation after Imaginos, and they had all got down to it, and Columbia had given the album a big push, and this, and that ... then _maybe_ BOC would have made a big comeback at the end of the 80s. As long as they didn't crap out like Aerosmith, that would have been fine by me. But there are a lot of factors there. As it is, are BOC drenched in money and fame? Hardly. Is it their fault. Most likely. Would things have been different if they had reconciled with Al, not stiffed him, and reformed the old lineup? Or would Al just be banging his head against the wall while the boys drifted around playing pizza parlors with their heads firmly wedged in their rectums? I mean, do Buck and Eric and the others really _want_ to do anything new or interesting? Firebrands, they are not. Unless the shape up, BOC are a nostalgia band, like it or not. Alternatively, a glimpse of a blast from the past we never saw for younglings like me who just learning to read when AoF came out. Let's face it, since the band even started playing that handful of "new" songs, other bands have come out with multiple albums (do we know any bands from this list like that ;) But they can still be a good show. I'm taking no bets on their future one way or another. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 21 09:11:57 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:11:57 +0000 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: <9602211359.AA01185@chili> from "ross.reyes" at Feb 21, 96 08:59:55 am Message-ID: > It's amazing how such a non-BOC effort sounds so BOC in the > final analysis. They didnt move much off the original BOC > formula if what you all are saying is true. Well, we're discussing a project overseen by Sandy Pearlman and Al Bouchard here. I would be surprised if an album of "Mary Had a Little Lamb" covers didn't sound pretty BOC after that. (I now, of course, await the definitive tBS cover of "Mary Had a Little Lamb" seguing into "TR&TB" of course .... :) Cheers, Carl From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Tue Feb 20 20:30:00 1996 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:30:00 -0500 Subject: Guitar's bleed lead? Message-ID: BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN said: > I think this song was just BOC saying "We are BOC and our guitars >bleed lead! Let's ROCK!" There's not really a story here, just lyrics >picked for their "When guitars ruled the world" imagery. The fact that >the orginal title for this was "Ear Damage", also leads me to this >conclusion. I'd put it in the Imaginos cycle though, just because it fun >to headbang to ;) >It fits right in with Frankenstein... Hey now, that would be a great concert opening. Why not have Eric, Buck and Allen come out in long robes kinda like Spinal Tap's "Stonehenge" and tell the story of "when Guitars walked the earth as Gods". Make it full of doom and gloom about how Disco nearly wiped out every last acolyte of Rock and Roll and how the new and improved, Industrial strength Gods of Vengeance are back to mop up the floor with us all and cause excessive ear bleeding for letting the lords of Disco walk amongst us. Erics voice could THUNDER: "WE ARE B! O! C! and our Guitars bleed LEAD!!!!! A one-a and a two-a..." Ba WOMP! WOMP! Weee deeeeee, wee dee deee DEEEEEEEEEEE! Actually I'm just farting around. I really like "black & Silver" But all kidding aside, I think the title "Ear Damage" is too good a Rock & Roll Title to throw away. Hell, it's generic enough to be used on just about any heavy tune. Anyone else out there got any nifty titles that ALMOST made it as BOC song titles? And why is Teen Archer called teen Archer anyway? Torgo has left the building........ From chip at PCC.COM Wed Feb 21 09:14:33 1996 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:14:33 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: <9602211359.AA01185@chili> from "ross.reyes" at Feb 21, 96 08:59:55 am Message-ID: RR: > It's amazing how such a non-BOC effort sounds so BOC in the > final analysis. They didnt move much off the original BOC > formula if what you all are saying is true. You've got it backwards. What's amazing is how much of BOC's sound came from Albert. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 21 09:25:49 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:25:49 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: Steve says: >So you can stop getting high-handed about who has the "right" to play guitar on a "BOC" album, because Imaginos ain't their album. Which is too bad, because Imaginos is a better than anything that BOC has done for 15 years. Well, this kinda gets back to my thoughts of what the album "should have" been - and that the original lineup should have all been involved more. Now, no doubt that most of the music was written by Al, so one might argue that even if the original lineup did most of the tracks it still wouldn't really be a BOC album. BUT - how far of a stretch would that have been from some of BOC's albums? Look at how much Al contributed on all BOC's previous albums - now look at how much Al and Joe together contributed. I just looked at the number of times a Bouchard was credited to a song vs. no Bouchard being credited -- if I counted right, 44 out of 72 songs had a Bouchard song-writing credit from the first album to FOUO (61%). That percentage is higher if you only take into account the first 3 albums - after that there was much more individual contributions (starting with AOF) as each bandmember had his own multi- track recorder and would bring his demos to the sessions. Now, based on what I've seen in Morning Final - typically Al and Joe would bring the most material to these sessions. So, not only did most of the material used on BOC's albums come from Al and Joe, but most of the stuff that *didn't* end up on the albums was also from Al and Joe. O.K., what's my point? Well, there is *some* credit to other BOC members on some of the *Imaginos* songs -- Buck has some credit for "Magna of Illusion" and "I Am The One...", and Eric has some credit for "Blue Oyster Cult". The rest, other than Pearlman, is credited to either Al (mostly) or Joe. But, what if the band as a whole had worked on these songs in the studio together, instead of just re-doing what Al started. Well, then perhaps there would be more credit to other members. Now, take some of the songs that fit in with *Imaginos* that were left off the album - "Gil Blanco County", the original Stalk-Forrest Group version, was credited to Allen Lanier, so he probably would have gotten at least a partial writing credit for this (assuming the original SFG credits were correct). Also, "Flaming Telepaths", according to Morning Final, was a song from the Imaginos story - Bloom and Buck also had writing credits in the original version, and probably would have if this song was included in the "complete" Imaginos. So, my point is that if this project went like I felt it "should have", the level of participation from the non-Bouchards in the band would not have been that much less than on BOC's other albums. Oh, it would definitley have been the most "Bouchard-heavy" BOC album, but I don't think it would have been that outrageously so, especially when compared to the first 3 albums. And, I wouldn't have had a problem considering it a "BOC" album, whereas the actual *Imaginos* we got can hardly be considered such, as Steve and others have pointed out. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 21 09:21:55 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:21:55 EST Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: > > It's amazing how such a non-BOC effort sounds so BOC in the > final analysis. They didnt move much off the original BOC > formula if what you all are saying is true. > > RR Ross, Just goes to show you how important Al's input always was for BOC. I think he helped set the tone from the very beginning, and I perceive 'Imaginos' as being very much in the old-style BOC vein. theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 21 09:38:33 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:38:33 -0500 Subject: OffTopic: US politics Message-ID: >The question is will the establishment stick with what looks to be a fading Dole who has the campaign machinery but probably can't beat Clinton or go with Alexander who's had a couple of good results, has no funding or electoral organisation and might just be able to beat Clinton in the charisma stakes? Nah, not to worry -- Ross Perot will enter the race and win the day ;-) John From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Wed Feb 21 09:46:20 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:46:20 EST Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: Well the vocals were certainly not all Albert's. And the vocal tracks really were an excellent part of the overall project. It's difficult to overlook Buck & Eric's contribu- tion to that end of it. Also, that guitar solo on BOC sure as heck was taken outa Bucks playbook if he didn't do it personally. RR From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Wed Feb 21 09:52:13 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:52:13 EST Subject: writing credits Message-ID: > I just looked at the number of times a Bouchard was >credited to a song vs. no Bouchard being credited -- if I counted right, >44 out of 72 songs had a Bouchard song-writing credit from the first >album to FOUO (61%). Someone please answer: I thought that a writing credit was given for the lyrical content of the song, not necessarily for the music. Is there a distinction? I had thought that the writer brings in the lyrical stuff, maybe some loose ideas on the music, and the rest of the band chimes in to flesh out a complete tune. Is that way off? RR From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 21 09:53:35 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:53:35 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: Theo writes: >Nostalgia. A lot of us [and I must confess to this offense at times] just can't let go of the idea of the original BOC producing such great music. Wait a minute - let's everybody get one thing clear, and I apologize if my talk of what Imaginos "should have been" suggested this: THE ORIGINAL LINEUP WILL *NEVER* ALL GET TOGETHER AGAIN -- DON'T BOTHER WISHING FOR IT. (o.k., I know, never say never but the probability is pretty low). Don't anyone delude yourself in thinking that someday things might change. What I had wished would have happened with Imaginos is something in the PAST - it is not something I have any hopes of seeing in the FUTURE. All of the parties concerned have moved on in their lives and careers. If you still want to listen to BOC, as I do, listen to them for what they ARE, with their current line-up -- I'm not saying you shouldn't enjoy the old material, I'm just saying that don't think that someday Al and Joe will be playing it with the 3 O C in the future. And while you're enjoying BOC's nostalgia trip, hoping that someday they do put out new music (and I think it WILL happen, but with the current lineup, not the original), check out the great stuff that Albert has produced since leaving BOC -- the Brain Surgeons are a happening band that have a great modern heavy sound to them, and they're producing LOTS of new material (while still giving us a nice taste of some of Albert's best stuff from his BOC days). I didn't mean to start such a big trip down memory lane when this thread first started, but I just want to be clear that these memories do NOT represent the future, or even my hopes for it. So, even though I reminisce and think about what "should have been", when I come back to reality and look to the future, these "should have beens" are not what I expect will ever "be". John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 21 09:59:00 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:59:00 EST Subject: OffTopic: US politics Message-ID: > >The question is will the establishment stick with > what looks to be a fading Dole who has the campaign machinery but > probably can't beat Clinton or go with Alexander who's had a couple of > good results, has no funding or electoral organisation and might just be > able to beat Clinton in the charisma stakes? > > Nah, not to worry -- Ross Perot will enter the race and win the day ;-) > > John I think l'il Ross is all done. His only real issue was the balanced budget. And seeing as the two main parties are ruminating somewhat on that issue, they've stolen his thunder. Also, I think Ross' ego took a tremendous hit when the voters didn't clasp him to their bosom in '92. I think he'll sit this one out, unless the GOP panicks and tries to draft him. But he's take tons of shit if he went along, 'cause he attacked the GOP pretty heavily in '92... theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 21 10:10:04 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:10:04 EST Subject: writing credits Message-ID: > > I just looked at the number of times a Bouchard was > >credited to a song vs. no Bouchard being credited -- if I counted right, > >44 out of 72 songs had a Bouchard song-writing credit from the first > >album to FOUO (61%). > > Someone please answer: > > I thought that a writing credit was given for the lyrical content > of the song, not necessarily for the music. Is there a distinction? > > I had thought that the writer brings in the lyrical stuff, maybe > some loose ideas on the music, and the rest of the band chimes > in to flesh out a complete tune. Is that way off? > > RR Ross, This varies from band to band. Take the Doors. All their early material was credited as being written by the whole band, while obviously Morrison was the key talent there. Also Black Sabbath. But in their case, I think a lot of folks think Ozzy wrote a lot of stuff, but according to Tony, he wrote most of the music and Geezer most of the lyrics in the old days. Some bands credited the whole group out of a desire for solidarity. But in most cases, lyrics are only a part of it. If someone writes the melody line, then they have as much stake in the credit as he who wrote the lyrics. theo From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Feb 21 10:16:04 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:16:04 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: <9602211359.AA01185@chili> from "ross.reyes" at Feb 21, 96 08:59:55 am Message-ID: ross.reyes writes: > [ re: my comment that Imaginos isn't a BOC album ] > It's amazing how such a non-BOC effort sounds so BOC in the > final analysis. They didnt move much off the original BOC > formula if what you all are saying is true. What you are noting here is that Al sounds like Al, with BOC or without them. Steve From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 21 10:17:46 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:17:46 -0500 Subject: writing credits Message-ID: Ross asks: Someone please answer: I thought that a writing credit was given for the lyrical content of the song, not necessarily for the music. Is there a distinction? Ross, I don't know the answer -- I was only pointing out where someone was listed on the album credits. These credits might be for words, music, or both -- and obviously it doesn't tell how much of a song someone actually wrote. When I referred to "writing credit", I personally was not making a distinction between the lyrics and the music, as I do not know how that breaks out on BOC's songs. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 21 10:20:58 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:20:58 EST Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: > Theo writes: > > >Nostalgia. > A lot of us [and I must confess to this offense at times] just can't > let go of the idea of the original BOC producing such great music. > > > Wait a minute - let's everybody get one thing clear, and I apologize if > my talk of what Imaginos "should have been" suggested this: > > THE ORIGINAL LINEUP WILL *NEVER* ALL GET TOGETHER AGAIN -- DON'T BOTHER > WISHING FOR IT. (o.k., I know, never say never but the probability is > pretty low). Don't anyone delude yourself in thinking that someday Agreed. My use of the term nostalgia was meant to be strictly past- tense. It's completely unlikely that a re-united BOC will ever happen. I was only indulging in speculation over what a complete 'Imaginos' trilogy with the original lineup might have been like. Face it, it ain't ever gonna happen! theo > things might change. What I had wished would have happened with > Imaginos is something in the PAST - it is not something I have any > hopes of seeing in the FUTURE. All of the parties concerned have moved > on in their lives and careers. If you still want to listen to BOC, as > I do, listen to them for what they ARE, with their current line-up -- > I'm not saying you shouldn't enjoy the old material, I'm just saying > that don't think that someday Al and Joe will be playing it with the Right again. It's unfair to judge 3OC against the past accomplishments of the original lineup. That's gone, and it's time to move on. Go to 3OC concerts 'cause you like Erics stage personna or appreciate Buck's and Allen's playing, and be content with that. > 3 O C in the future. And while you're enjoying BOC's nostalgia trip, > hoping that someday they do put out new music (and I think it WILL > happen, but with the current lineup, not the original), check out the > great stuff that Albert has produced since leaving BOC -- the Brain > Surgeons are a happening band that have a great modern heavy sound to > them, and they're producing LOTS of new material (while still giving > us a nice taste of some of Albert's best stuff from his BOC days). > I'm certainly willing to give a serious listen to a new 3 OC album. Barring a repeat of CN, it should be pretty good. I like the 'new' songs, even if they're a little lightweight compared to the old times. Any record with Buck's guitar on it can't be too bad. As for tBS, I think their music stands on its own merit easily, and given any kind of breaks, they should be a big force in music--IF they aren't percieved as being dinosaurs. Could be Al's connection to an ancient heavy band like BOC could actually work to his disadvantage! > I didn't mean to start such a big trip down memory lane when this > thread first started, but I just want to be clear that these memories > do NOT represent the future, or even my hopes for it. So, even though > I reminisce and think about what "should have been", when I come back > to reality and look to the future, these "should have beens" are not > what I expect will ever "be". > > John Amen, theo From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Wed Feb 21 10:39:15 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:39:15 EST Subject: writing credits/Imaginos Message-ID: > These credits might be for words, > music, or both -- and obviously it doesn't tell how much of a song I guess my observation is that it's a package deal. If Al did all the music, SP most of the lyrics, Dharma some vocal, some guitar, Bloom something else. Then, the deal is a package. If the thing wasn't meant as a package then they should have been kept from involvement. Or did they just muscle in on the deal? If they did, I dno't know if it wasn't for the best. The end product was perfect. It looked to me that it was probably some middle ground and that the marketing people thought it would sell best if BOC marketed the thing as a group. Hence, Eric/Buck/Allen/JOe had to put a hand in it somewhere to make Imaginos a BOC effort en total. RR From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Feb 21 10:47:15 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:47:15 -0500 Subject: writing credits In-Reply-To: <9602211452.AA01201@chili> from "ross.reyes" at Feb 21, 96 09:52:13 am Message-ID: ross.reyes writes: > > > I just looked at the number of times a Bouchard was > >credited to a song vs. no Bouchard being credited -- if I counted right, > >44 out of 72 songs had a Bouchard song-writing credit from the first > >album to FOUO (61%). > > Someone please answer: > > I thought that a writing credit was given for the lyrical content > of the song, not necessarily for the music. Is there a distinction? > > I had thought that the writer brings in the lyrical stuff, maybe > some loose ideas on the music, and the rest of the band chimes > in to flesh out a complete tune. Is that way off? The writer doesn't bring in the lyrical stuff, except in the sense that the song demo *will* have lyrics, as well as music. But the lyrics aren't written by the band, anyway, except for maybe a couple of oddball exceptions. Pearlman wrote by far the largest part of the lyrics (at least in the early days), and the band wrote the music. So when you see songwriting credits like S. Pearlman, D. Roeser, A. Bouchard, you can bet that Al and Buck wrote the tune, and Sandy wrote the lyrics. Hey John, isn't this stuff in the FAQ? As for the part about how demos work... I've heard a few of the band's demos (Al's and some others, like Buck's demo of "The Vigil"), and they were all pretty much finished, as far as songwriting goes. I'm sure there's a chance for some last-minute creative input from the other band members, but those demos weren't "loose ideas" by any stretch - they were fully written songs. Steve From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Feb 21 10:59:44 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:59:44 -0500 Subject: writing credits/Imaginos In-Reply-To: <9602211539.AA01215@chili> from "ross.reyes" at Feb 21, 96 10:39:15 am Message-ID: ross.reyes writes: > > It looked to me that it was probably some middle ground and that > the marketing people thought it would sell best if BOC marketed > the thing as a group. Hence, Eric/Buck/Allen/JOe had to put > a hand in it somewhere to make Imaginos a BOC effort en total. I believe that's probably about the long and the short of it. I think Pearlman felt that there wouldn't be any market (or even a record deal) for such a weird thing, if it didn't have the name Blue Oyster Cult on it. As it turns out, they got it released, but then the record company and the band dropped the album in the mud and left it to sink. Sigh. What was it that Eric said on AOL? "If you want to hear Imaginos tunes, go to a Brain Surgeons concert." Steve From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 21 10:58:04 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:58:04 EST Subject: writing credits/Imaginos Message-ID: > I guess my observation is that it's a package deal. If Al did > all the music, SP most of the lyrics, Dharma some vocal, some > guitar, Bloom something else. Then, the deal is a package. If > the thing wasn't meant as a package then they should have been > kept from involvement. Or did they just muscle in on the deal? Not just for playing on a song, though. If you write a song, both music and lyrics, then go out and hire studio musicians to play them, the song still belongs to you. Unless, you're so impressed with the studio performance that you feel their contirbutions were essential to the final outcome. THEN, you might give tham credit for songwriting. But you'd be one big-hearted dude given the music biz... > > If they did, I dno't know if it wasn't for the best. The end > product was perfect. > Right! > It looked to me that it was probably some middle ground and that > the marketing people thought it would sell best if BOC marketed > the thing as a group. Hence, Eric/Buck/Allen/JOe had to put > a hand in it somewhere to make Imaginos a BOC effort en total. > > RR Ross, You've hit it right on the head. I'm not the guy to comment [John would know] but I imagine [ouch] that Columbia wouldn't have had the guts to fly with an Al solo project, but were very agreeable to try to wring a little more blood out of the BOC name. Pretend it's a BOC album, and maybe all the radio-heads who liked 'Reaper' and 'Burnin' [two BD songs, no less!] will run out and buy it. Yeah, and the check's in the mail, and I love you, and I promise not to come in your mouth! theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 21 11:23:45 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:23:45 EST Subject: writing credits/Imaginos Message-ID: > ross.reyes writes: > > > > It looked to me that it was probably some middle ground and that > > the marketing people thought it would sell best if BOC marketed > > the thing as a group. Hence, Eric/Buck/Allen/JOe had to put > > a hand in it somewhere to make Imaginos a BOC effort en total. > > I believe that's probably about the long and the short of it. I think > Pearlman felt that there wouldn't be any market (or even a record > deal) for such a weird thing, if it didn't have the name Blue Oyster > Cult on it. As it turns out, they got it released, but then the > record company and the band dropped the album in the mud and left it > to sink. Sigh. > > What was it that Eric said on AOL? "If you want to hear Imaginos > tunes, go to a Brain Surgeons concert." > > Steve Methinks EB would do well to take his own advice, and see what he's been missing! From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Wed Feb 21 12:01:03 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:01:03 EST Subject: BOC: Why Colombia insisted on Imaginos being a BOC album Message-ID: RR says, >I guess my observation is that it's a package deal. If Al did >all the music, SP most of the lyrics, Dharma some vocal, some >guitar, Bloom something else. Then, the deal is a package. If >the thing wasn't meant as a package then they should have been >kept from involvement. Or did they just muscle in on the deal? > >If they did, I dno't know if it wasn't for the best. The end >product was perfect. > >It looked to me that it was probably some middle ground and that >the marketing people thought it would sell best if BOC marketed >the thing as a group. Hence, Eric/Buck/Allen/JOe had to put >a hand in it somewhere to make Imaginos a BOC effort en total. Here's my theory: When a member of a band does a solo project the record company uses record sales from the bands previous albums as insurance. For instance, David Lee Roth is still allowed to make solo albums, because WB is able to cover the cost with Van Halen's profits. They obviously believe that Roth still has a hit or two left in him. Al, on the other hand, was not a "Big Name" talent like Roth. This was compounded by the mediocre (I'm being nice here) sales of BOC's last 2 albums. This makes an Al Bouchard solo album an extremely large financial risk. By making Imaginos a BOC project, they can hasten the end of BOC's contract while selling more copys than an "Al" album through track record/name recognition. Colombia didn't promote Imaginos hard, because they never expected it would be top 40 anyway. There's not even a decent teeny-bopper single on the album for God's sake! In the end BOC has a new album, which isn't a total black hole sales- wise, which pretty much concludes BOC's contract obligations, which makes room for Warrant, Winger and all the other cheezy hard rock bands that actually made a lot of money. This, I believe, is why Imaginos could have never been an Al Bouchard solo album. Brian From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Feb 21 11:33:36 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:33:36 +0000 Subject: writing credits/Imaginos In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:59:44 EST." <199602211559.KAA14179@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: > What was it that Eric said on AOL? "If you want to hear Imaginos > tunes, go to a Brain Surgeons concert." > > Steve I must admit I never really grokked this comment. To my ears, Imaginos & the Brain Surgeons material seem like chalk & cheese (excepting Al's vocals). Whatever. Tim From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Wed Feb 21 12:32:42 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:32:42 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-20 23:14:34 EST, Chris wrote: >There are few things more despicable to me than artists' being denied credit >and/or money for their contributions. From what I've read on this list and >the FAQ, the original BOC guys (Eric, Buck, et al) sound like total shysters! >If this is the case, then why are people on this list so hell-bent on >supporting their sorry asses? > >Just curious.... > >Chris One thing to keep in mind. We have all heard Al's side of what happened. We have not heard Eric, Buck, et al's version of what happened. Perhaps, in their minds, their actions are justified. Perhaps not. If you want to try and convict them without hearing their side, that's your choice. Me, I'm gonna sit down and enjoy the music... R. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Wed Feb 21 12:33:10 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:33:10 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-21 08:28:55 EST, theo writes: >Pragmatism. >The rest of BOC probably acted somewhat out of desperation in >shafting AL. BOC was on the skids seriously circa 'Imaginos,' and I >suspect that they may have decided to try to grab credit for >'Imaginos' in hopes of re-inflating their careers [of evil!]. For a >bunch of guys who were used to playing in arenas, and then found >themselves back in bars, the temptation to grab for the big one must >have been overwhelming. Not to be condoned, of course, and in some >ways, I'm glad it didn't work. It's just too bad that the aftermath >was so awful, with everyone destroyed in the bloodbath. Though it >looks like Al is recovering nicely with tBS. > I always thought that CBS didn't like Imaginos and would only release Imaginos if it was a BOC album. And BOC was cooperating with CBS under the terms of their contract. So how did they shaft Albert when they ultimately helped get his solo album released? By grabbing credit for the album being a BOC album? It seems to me that one must remember that Imaginos came out because of BOC. No BOC, no Imaginos. It seems to me that alot of the blame for all of this belongs with CBS. Had they done what they should have, Imaginos would have been a VERY different creature. I've heard Albert's version of Imaginos (at the Museum) and it is significantly different in both feel and texture. It the original version better? Hard to say. I've listened to the BOC Imaginos a zillion times, Alberts version once. It's different. Better? In some ways, sure. In others, no. Would Alberts version have been more successful and allowed for Imaginos 2? Who knows? I, for one, would LOVE to hear Imaginos 2 (and 3!!). Makes for great speculation... R. From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Feb 21 12:46:02 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:46:02 -0500 Subject: writing credits/Imaginos In-Reply-To: <25857.9602211633@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Feb 21, 96 04:33:36 pm Message-ID: bart writes: > > > What was it that Eric said on AOL? "If you want to hear Imaginos > > tunes, go to a Brain Surgeons concert." > > I must admit I never really grokked this comment. To my ears, Imaginos & the > Brain Surgeons material seem like chalk & cheese (excepting Al's vocals). > Whatever. I don't think that's what he meant by the comment. I think he meant it in the sense of: "...because you won't be hearing them played by BOC." Steve From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 21 13:02:53 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:02:53 EST Subject: BOC: Why Colombia insisted on Imaginos being a BOC albu Message-ID: > > > >It looked to me that it was probably some middle ground and that > >the marketing people thought it would sell best if BOC marketed > >the thing as a group. Hence, Eric/Buck/Allen/JOe had to put > >a hand in it somewhere to make Imaginos a BOC effort en total. > > Here's my theory: > When a member of a band does a solo project the record company uses > record sales from the bands previous albums as insurance. For instance, David > Lee Roth is still allowed to make solo albums, because WB is able to cover the > cost with Van Halen's profits. They obviously believe that Roth still has a > hit or two left in him. Well, that may be flawed judgement on their part! But Diamond Dave's been out of VH for a long time--it isn't a choice of his being allowed to make, but rather HAVING to make solo albums. Somebody at Warners must have a sadistic streak for subjecting the listening public to more of Dave's pathetic mewlings! > Al, on the other hand, was not a "Big Name" talent like Roth. This > was compounded by the mediocre (I'm being nice here) sales of BOC's last 2 Al is for sure a big talent, if not a big name! You're being more than nice, considering CN! > albums. This makes an Al Bouchard solo album an extremely large financial > risk. By making Imaginos a BOC project, they can hasten the end of BOC's > contract while selling more copys than an "Al" album through track record/name > recognition. Colombia didn't promote Imaginos hard, because they never > expected it would be top 40 anyway. There's not even a decent teeny-bopper > single on the album for God's sake! But why, then, make the record at all? You make the album appear as a BOC project, based on some past strong sales, then pull the rug out from under it because it isn't commercial? I know record execs are full of shit, but this isn't even good business practice! > In the end BOC has a new album, which isn't a total black hole sales- > wise, which pretty much concludes BOC's contract obligations, which makes > room for Warrant, Winger and all the other cheezy hard rock bands that actually > made a lot of money. This, I believe, is why Imaginos could have never been > an Al Bouchard solo album. > > Brian Well, who would've wanted to deprive the music world of Winger and Warrant? I think Columbia just wanted to use the BOC name, then once the record was made, and they found out how esoteric it was, they underwent a serious shortage of balls. Figured it was too 'out there' to sell, and then gutlessly left it to twist in the breeze. theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 21 13:08:05 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:08:05 EST Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: > > > > I always thought that CBS didn't like Imaginos and would only release > Imaginos if it was a BOC album. And BOC was cooperating with CBS under the > terms of their contract. So how did they shaft Albert when they ultimately > helped get his solo album released? By grabbing credit for the album being a > BOC album? It seems to me that one must remember that Imaginos came out > because of BOC. No BOC, no Imaginos. > I think CBS would only back a new project if it was under the BOC aegis. Then, when they heard how wild the record was, they gave up on it as non-commercial. MHO! But--No Al, no 'Imaginos' either. It certainly was his project. Even if he needed the BOC name to make the album, it's unfair for the band to try to consider it theirs. > It seems to me that alot of the blame for all of this belongs with CBS. Had > they done what they should have, Imaginos would have been a VERY different > creature. I've heard Albert's version of Imaginos (at the Museum) and it is > significantly different in both feel and texture. It the original version > better? Hard to say. I've listened to the BOC Imaginos a zillion times, > Alberts version once. It's different. Better? In some ways, sure. In > others, no. Would Alberts version have been more successful and allowed for > Imaginos 2? Who knows? I, for one, would LOVE to hear Imaginos 2 (and 3!!). > > > Makes for great speculation... > > R. Right on there. CBS cowardice blew it. If they had backed the project properly--maybe even pressured the band to re-group with a promise of heavy backing and front money. Maybe things would have turned out better. Tough call... theo From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Feb 21 13:15:42 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:15:42 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: <960221123309_428085951@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "Rocker22@AOL.COM" at Feb 21, 96 12:33:10 pm Message-ID: Rocker22 at AOL.COM writes: > > I always thought that CBS didn't like Imaginos and would only release > Imaginos if it was a BOC album. And BOC was cooperating with CBS under the > terms of their contract. So how did they shaft Albert when they ultimately > helped get his solo album released? By not paying him his share of the money, until he finally had to take them to court to get it...? Forgive me for sounding exasperated, but I thought that part was pretty easy to understand. As for why they didn't, and who was actually responsible, and whether it was a deliberate effort to screw him, or just gross oversight, and if so ...whose?... nobody but the principles really know that. But the fact of the non-payment is not really one of those vague matters of people's "perceptions" of who was right. I mean, no money is no money, regardless of spin doctoring. As for who is to blame for it... well, whatever reasons the band and management may have had for disliking Al, or whatever disagreements they may have with him, cutting him out of his share of his work probably isn't the way to express it. And in the interests of repeating the obvious until we all understand it, of course there are two sides to the story. But even if you you were to assume the worst - that Al was an asshole, and everybody else were angels bathed in grace, that still doesn't release anybody from their obligation to pay him for his work. Steve From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 21 13:22:52 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:22:52 -0500 Subject: writing credits Message-ID: Steve writes: > Pearlman wrote by far the largest part of the lyrics (at least in the early days), and the band wrote the music. So when you see songwriting credits like S. Pearlman, D. Roeser, A. Bouchard, you can bet that Al and Buck wrote the tune, and Sandy wrote the lyrics. Hey John, isn't this stuff in the FAQ? Well, no it isn't -- all I did was list the credits as they appeared on the albums, which don't indicate who did what. Is it standard convention that the lyric-writer is listed first, followed by the writer of the music? As far as I know, just about all contributions by Pearlman, and probably also Meltzer were lyrics only. But beyond that . . . John From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Wed Feb 21 09:13:17 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:13:17 GMT Subject: OffTopic: US politics Message-ID: Going WAY off topic FoFP wrote: > I wondered if they do negative campaigning because they're naturally > mean guys or if it's due to it having proven out that this is the most > effective way of campaigning. If the latter then it's really the > electorate who are to blame. Politics has to be the art of compromise, issues or never black and white, but most (if not all) politically active people are very committed to one particular belief. Usually this belief will be in an area such as economics or social justice, occassionally it will simply be rank prejudice or hatred. Their world view will be coloured by this basic belief from an early age (look how many of 'em become politically active as children), and they surround themselves with like-minded individuals who reinforce these views and beliefs. By the time that they run for office many otherwise good people are convinced that their opponents are the spawn of Beelzebub. They think that *the other lot* are lying scum who're out to presonally discredit them so they try to get their retaliation in first. This is perpetuated by the media, where journalists know far less than they pretend and are driven by relentless short-termism. The whole cycle ratchets up over time and you end up with the ludicrous situation where opposition politicians here can't see the Scott report before publication in case they leak it! In addition the politicians now use *focus groups* which are where the lowest-common denominator thrives. A 10 second attack-ad will get a better response than 30 minutes of considered analysis (people are too ill-informed/ill-educated to follow the analysis). Not a new phenomenon - Dickens writes about similar happenings in18th/early 19th century politics in *Pickwick Papers*. > Like us, it looks like you don't really get the option of electing > anyone a reasonable person would want to have any control over their > lives. The only person who can control my life is me. Politicians crave power, our only hope is to ensure that all they are allowed to do is set a framework within which we can live. > Anyway. Since this is so off topic and since there are politics junkies > and folks who like to debate here, maybe I could fly a kite for setting > up a separate mailing list to cover the US campaign in particular and > politics in general? Excellent idea, provided it doesn't descend to the level of the usenet politics groups! Chris From chip at PCC.COM Wed Feb 21 14:10:16 1996 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:10:16 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: <960221123309_428085951@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "Rocker22@AOL.COM" at Feb 21, 96 12:33:10 pm Message-ID: Rocker22 at AOL.COM: > It seems to me that one must remember that Imaginos came out > because of BOC. No BOC, no Imaginos. Get something straight: Albert had already written everything. He had a band. He'd already recorded demos that would have passed for an album pretty nicely. You are aware, aren't you, that Al has put out two albums of his own since then, right? Perhaps what you meant to say was, "No BOC, no _Imaginos_ on CBS Records." Not a big deal, especially in retrospect. > I've heard Albert's version of Imaginos (at the Museum) and it is > significantly different in both feel and texture. ????? I've heard Albert's Imaginos demos very recently (like, in the last 24 hours) and it's incredible how much was copied directly to the final product -- even down to the feedback, vocal cues, and effects. Sure, there are some differences - especially with the non-BOC singers - but not many. John, care to agree ot disagree with me? But, yer quite right, parts 2 & 3 of Imaginos would be incredible. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Feb 21 14:13:05 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:13:05 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: <154678277F6@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Feb 21, 96 01:08:05 pm Message-ID: Ted O. Jackson writes: > > Right on there. CBS cowardice blew it. If they had backed the > project properly--maybe even pressured the band to re-group with a > promise of heavy backing and front money. Maybe things would have > turned out better. Tough call... Heh. That reminds me of a story that I heard about the Clash reunion. The story goes that Joe Strummer told the record industry reps that the Clash would only reform at the cost of $1M. So some record company coughed up the million, and the Clash got back together. ;-) Somehow I don't see anybody doing that for BOC. I have this notion that record execs aren't the sort who recognise the importance of songwriting. I bet they buy into the idea of bands having "image" and big-name presences as their main draws. They probably view the BOC name as a commodity, one whose selling value is almost, but not quite entirely used up. In all likelihood, they couldn't give a shit who was in the band, although the ones who still experience occasional outbreaks of neural activity might recall that BOC once had a "name" guitarist, back in the 70s when people had still heard of them. Furthermore, I bet that these market-driven lumps of flesh probably view BOC as a nostalgia act, suitable for grabbing a slice of the yuppie baby-boomer i-used-to-be-a-rocker pie. That yuppie car commercial "You used to dream of playing power chords with Blue Oyster Cult" probably summarizes the point of view of a lot more than just the auto industry towards the band. They didn't back Imaginos because it was a weird album from an old band, and even the band didn't understand or want to have anything to do with it. Imaginos was an orphan. This fantasizing about how things might have been if the band had stayed together, and if Pearlman had kept working with them, etc... yes, I agree with most of what has been said. A 3-album Imaginos saga, all by the original BOC lineup, with Pearlman's lyrics and production... it would have been astounding. Something that I sometimes forget, in all this wrangling about the Imaginos project, and the discussions about the current state of BOC, is that the original lineup was my favorite band, and I think that (to cop a phrase from Carl) they ruled, with crown and sceptre. Steve From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 21 14:15:08 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:15:08 +0000 Subject: writing credits In-Reply-To: <1516FE705D4@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Feb 21, 96 10:10:04 am Message-ID: > This varies from band to band. Take the Doors. All their early > material was credited as being written by the whole band, while > obviously Morrison was the key talent there. Not necessarily true. "Light My Fire" was Krieger, words and music, except the keyboard intro which was written by, uh, the keyboard player, whatever his name was (M-something). Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 21 14:18:44 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:18:44 +0000 Subject: writing credits In-Reply-To: <9602211452.AA01201@chili> from "ross.reyes" at Feb 21, 96 09:52:13 am Message-ID: > I thought that a writing credit was given for the lyrical content > of the song, not necessarily for the music. Is there a distinction? > I had thought that the writer brings in the lyrical stuff, maybe > some loose ideas on the music, and the rest of the band chimes > in to flesh out a complete tune. Is that way off? Well, it is not possible to tell from a writing credit who wrote the lyrics and who wrote the music. The writing credits are for the song or piece--a combination of words, music, and whatever. Who gets mentioned on the writing credits depends on band policy. As was mentioned, the Doors shared all writing credits. In Tull, Ian Anderson gets the writing credits almost exclusively, even though the other band members will often contribute to the music. Cheers, Carl From chip at PCC.COM Wed Feb 21 14:30:34 1996 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:30:34 -0500 Subject: writing credits In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Feb 21, 96 07:18:44 pm Message-ID: Carl: > Well, it is not possible to tell from a writing credit who wrote > the lyrics and who wrote the music. The writing credits are for the > song or piece--a combination of words, music, and whatever. In the BOC songbook, the credits for music/lyrics are broken out. If people are interested I (or Dan Lindfors!) can do a quick run-through of many of the albums. I am not convinced, one way or the other, that these credits are accurate in terms of how much someone contributed to a song. Clearly, Buck wrote most of the solos he played...but without that riff in "Cities on Flame" to build on... :-) -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 21 14:51:25 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:51:25 +0000 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: <199602211913.OAA20011@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Feb 21, 96 02:13:05 pm Message-ID: > Somehow I don't see anybody doing that for BOC. I have this notion > that record execs aren't the sort who recognise the importance of > songwriting. I bet they buy into the idea of bands having "image" and > big-name presences as their main draws. No, no, Steve! Say it isn't so! Don't shatter my image of the music industry as a place of sweetness and light where all the record company execs sweat it out every day in a never-ending and heroic struggle to bring the highest possible quality music to the widest audience regardless of its perceived commericial value! (Don't get de-railed by the irony, anyone, to cop a phrase from a latter day BOC song held in _universally_ high reknown ;) Cheers, Carl From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 21 14:55:10 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:55:10 EST Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: > > Heh. That reminds me of a story that I heard about the Clash > reunion. The story goes that Joe Strummer told the record industry > reps that the Clash would only reform at the cost of $1M. So > some record company coughed up the million, and the Clash got > back together. ;-) > > Somehow I don't see anybody doing that for BOC. I have this notion > that record execs aren't the sort who recognise the importance of > songwriting. I bet they buy into the idea of bands having "image" and > big-name presences as their main draws. They probably view the BOC And, don't forget the infernal MTV. I recon that plays more importance to record execs than anything else: how the band comes across on MTV. Which is even more the shame 'cause, ironically, I think BOC is the ultimate MTV band due to their whacked-out song concepts. I mean if MTV can shurn out these magnum-opus videos for the likes of Pearl Jam etc. with their moron lyrics, imagine [ouch again] what video could do with stuff like 'imaginos' or 'Dominance and Submission!' > name as a commodity, one whose selling value is almost, but not quite > entirely used up. In all likelihood, they couldn't give a shit who > was in the band, although the ones who still experience occasional > outbreaks of neural activity might recall that BOC once had a "name" > guitarist, back in the 70s when people had still heard of them. > Right. I think if all the Stones but Mick somehow quit, they'd still try to market his records under the name Rolling Stones. > Furthermore, I bet that these market-driven lumps of flesh probably > view BOC as a nostalgia act, suitable for grabbing a slice of the > yuppie baby-boomer i-used-to-be-a-rocker pie. That yuppie car > commercial "You used to dream of playing power chords with Blue Oyster > Cult" probably summarizes the point of view of a lot more than just > the auto industry towards the band. They didn't back Imaginos because Don't get my blood boiling. That commercial is so offensive it could induce me to murder. As though BOC were as disposable as the 1910 fruitgum company! Sad thing is there're probably more than a few of those ugly yuppie types turning up at BOC concerts nowadays? Whatta ya think? > it was a weird album from an old band, and even the band didn't > understand or want to have anything to do with it. Imaginos was an > orphan. > Right on, I'm afraid. I've always maintained that CBS was afraid of the project, and figure it was too weird to sell, that's why they dropped it like a hot iron. But the rest of BOC should have known better. Hell, it was the whacked-out shit that drew us all to them in the first place. Maybe just too jealous of Al to admit his stuff was what put them on the map? Maybe their collective mind blown after too much drivel like CN and RBN. Or maybe they somehow thought their fortunes lay with lighter stuff like 'Reaper' and Burnin? But the radio lightweights are fickle, while us die-hards would have stuck with them. They never gave us enough credit for appreciating their weirdness! > This fantasizing about how things might have been if the band had > stayed together, and if Pearlman had kept working with them, etc... > yes, I agree with most of what has been said. A 3-album Imaginos > saga, all by the original BOC lineup, with Pearlman's lyrics and > production... it would have been astounding. Something that I > sometimes forget, in all this wrangling about the Imaginos project, > and the discussions about the current state of BOC, is that the > original lineup was my favorite band, and I think that (to cop a > phrase from Carl) they ruled, with crown and sceptre. > > Steve That, my friend , is the genesis of my own nostalgia. It will always nag at me how great they were, how nobody really is close to the original BOC. I just can'tt resist speculating... theo From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Feb 21 15:08:44 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:08:44 -0500 Subject: writing credits In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Feb 21, 96 07:15:08 pm Message-ID: > > > This varies from band to band. Take the Doors. All their early > > material was credited as being written by the whole band, while > > obviously Morrison was the key talent there. > > Not necessarily true. "Light My Fire" was Krieger, words and music, > except the keyboard intro which was written by, uh, the keyboard player, > whatever his name was (M-something). > > Cheers, > Carl > Ray Manzerak (sp, I'm sure...). It was his solo on that song that got me hooked on keyboard-based rock. -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Feb 21 14:56:39 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:56:39 EST Subject: writing credits Message-ID: > > This varies from band to band. Take the Doors. All their early > > material was credited as being written by the whole band, while > > obviously Morrison was the key talent there. > > Not necessarily true. "Light My Fire" was Krieger, words and music, > except the keyboard intro which was written by, uh, the keyboard player, > whatever his name was (M-something). > > Cheers, > Carl I gladly take my beating on that one. Robbie is brilliant, as really, all the Doors. I was focusing on Jimbo as the lyric-man. theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 21 15:28:45 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:28:45 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: Well, since you asked Chip . . . (Chip commenting on Rocker22) Rocker22 at AOL.COM: > It seems to me that one must remember that Imaginos came out > because of BOC. No BOC, no Imaginos. Perhaps what you meant to say was, "No BOC, no _Imaginos_ on CBS Records." Not a big deal, especially in retrospect. Interesting thoughts here -- I assume Rocker22 means that yes, CBS would not have released *Imaginos* without BOC, but he could have also meant that had BOC never formed as a group, Albert may not have ever come up with that particular music, and certainly might not have been inspired to do so had he not come across the writings of one Sandy Pearlman. But, suppose BOC never decided to release *Imaginos* after Albert left. Would Albert ever have been able to get some label to release it? Would it have been the first Brain Surgeon's album? Would it have been shelved indefinitely? Perhaps it is better that some form of *Imaginos* was released, than no *Imaginos* at all . . . Yeah, in retrospect it certainly didn't mean much in anyone's career, but there's a bunch of us here who sure like the tunes on it. Rocker22 at AOL.COM: > I've heard Albert's version of Imaginos (at the Museum) and it is > significantly different in both feel and texture. ????? I've heard Albert's Imaginos demos very recently (like, in the last 24 hours) and it's incredible how much was copied directly to the final product -- even down to the feedback, vocal cues, and effects. Sure, there are some differences - especially with the non-BOC singers - but not many. Well, I agree with Chip here that the version of demos that he and I have heard sound alot like the finished version, with the exception of some of the lead vocals. However, Rocker22 may have heard some different versions of the demos as Albert did work on this project for many years. If I recall from Morning Final, some of the first demos he showed the band were around the AOF/Spectres time period (of course, there were a few Imaginos tunes on Secret Treaties) - and I understand some of those earlier demos were quite different than the final versions (I believe that Morning Final mentioned "In the Presence of Another World" being pretty radically different; and I think Albert mentioned once that "Frankenstein" used to be a much longer piece with different sections to it). However, the versions I heard (no doubt later versions) were pretty close - and I did get the impression that alot was copied from Albert's demo, with new vocals and some overdubs added. John From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Feb 21 15:29:05 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:29:05 -0500 Subject: writing credits In-Reply-To: <199602211822.NAA20925@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Feb 21, 96 01:22:52 pm Message-ID: > > Pearlman wrote by far the largest part of the > lyrics (at least in the early days), and the band wrote the music. So > when you see songwriting credits like S. Pearlman, D. Roeser, > A. Bouchard, you can bet that Al and Buck wrote the tune, and Sandy > wrote the lyrics. Hey John, isn't this stuff in the FAQ? > > Well, no it isn't -- all I did was list the credits as they appeared > on the albums, which don't indicate who did what. Is it standard > convention that the lyric-writer is listed first, followed by the > writer of the music? Now, that I wouldn't know. I was just referring to what I thought was a pretty well known fact around here on BOC-L, namely that Sandy did the lyrics, and the other guys did the music. I guess maybe I shouldn't take it so much for granted, since I didn't know it myself 2 years ago. But I was pretty sure that this has been hashed out repeatedly on BOC-L, and I thought that everyone would have caught it by now. > As far as I know, just about all contributions by Pearlman, and probably > also Meltzer were lyrics only. But beyond that . . . Yes, on both counts. And that's all I was pointing out. To get the detailed story, you have to talk to the guys who were there. Steve From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 21 15:38:07 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:38:07 -0500 Subject: BOC: Mercedez/Yuppies Message-ID: Theo responds to Steve: > Furthermore, I bet that these market-driven lumps of flesh probably > view BOC as a nostalgia act, suitable for grabbing a slice of the > yuppie baby-boomer i-used-to-be-a-rocker pie. That yuppie car > commercial "You used to dream of playing power chords with Blue Oyster > Cult" probably summarizes the point of view of a lot more than just > the auto industry towards the band. They didn't back Imaginos because Don't get my blood boiling. That commercial is so offensive it could induce me to murder. As though BOC were as disposable as the 1910 fruitgum company! Sad thing is there're probably more than a few of those ugly yuppie types turning up at BOC concerts nowadays? Whatta ya think? Easy does it Theo. First of all, most people who have heard of BOC these days don't even know the band is still (in some form) together. So from alot of people's standpoint, yes, BOC may be "disposable" - sad, but true (not to us, of course). Second, don't knock anyone who turns up at a BOC concert these days -- they need all the fans they can get! Third, some of us here could be considered by others as "yuppies" - I don't consider myself one, but some people I know might label me as one (although I gotta admit I can't afford a Mercedes, but I do own a "foreign" car). Finally, I hear Eric got a good deal on a new car for using BOC's name in that commercial . . . John In the player right now: The Brain Surgeons *Eponymous* - smashing me with "bolts of ungodly vision" From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Feb 21 15:53:50 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 21:53:50 +0100 Subject: writing credits Message-ID: >Carl: >> Well, it is not possible to tell from a writing credit who wrote >> the lyrics and who wrote the music. The writing credits are for the >> song or piece--a combination of words, music, and whatever. > > In the BOC songbook, the credits for music/lyrics are broken > out. If people are interested I (or Dan Lindfors!) can do a > quick run-through of many of the albums. Dan seems to be down & out due to technical problems, and do read BOC-l very sporadic at the moment. Do not count on him for a *quick* run-through. says Hawkjoe, who's got _Imaginos_ on the turntable, just to understand the current flood... :0) - if you're cut the stories behind it's just a masterpiece \\joe\now talking on the wrong side of BOC-l >Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com >People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip >15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 >Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 > > From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Feb 21 16:01:19 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:01:19 -0500 Subject: HW: gigs and gigs and gigs Message-ID: Wowza. I just ran Bernhard's Hawkwind gig list through a bit of processing: to concatenate the list, remove the MIME encoding and the mail headers, etc... Then I ran wc on it... 1433 lines. Minus the two extraneous ones. Equals... Twenty-seven years. One thousand, four hundred and thirty one gigs. Wowza. Steve From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Feb 21 17:55:25 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:55:25 -0500 Subject: Guitar's bleed lead? Message-ID: In a message dated 21/02/96 14:15:18, you write: > And why is Teen Archer called teen >Archer anyway? Because that's its name? :) - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Feb 21 17:55:44 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:55:44 -0500 Subject: writing credits Message-ID: In a message dated 21/02/96 15:49:43, you write: >As for the part about how demos work... I've heard a few of the band's >demos (Al's and some others, like Buck's demo of "The Vigil"), and >they were all pretty much finished, as far as songwriting goes. I'm >sure there's a chance for some last-minute creative input from the >other band members, but those demos weren't "loose ideas" by any >stretch - they were fully written songs. In the case of "The Vigil", (as I understand it) Buck wrote the tune to a Patti Smith lyric ("Devil's Hangnail"), but several in the band (plus Sandy Roeser) didn't like that lyric, so Sandy R wrote a new one. Hence SR gets a credit and Patti doesn't. I also guess that these deals vary from band to band - eg all the old Motorhead stuff is credited to Kilmister/Clarke/Taylor, but I'll bet it was mostly Lemmy. - Andy From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Wed Feb 21 15:05:35 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:05:35 EST Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: >Furthermore, I bet that these market-driven lumps of flesh probably >view BOC as a nostalgia act, suitable for grabbing a slice of the >yuppie baby-boomer i-used-to-be-a-rocker pie. Well, they might be at the right time in their career for a stint in Vegas. RR From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Feb 21 18:15:35 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:15:35 -0700 Subject: 1st BOC BBQ In-Reply-To: <960221024230_328496018@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: We normally drive quite a distance each year just to see a few BOC shows, so traveling for the sole purpose of BOC is nothing new to us. Some people have (or had) the Greatful Dead. Jean & I have BOC!!! thanks.... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Feb 21 18:22:44 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:22:44 -0700 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 20 Feb 1996 to 21 Feb 1996 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Maxine Wesley wrote: > Deep Purple are playing on Sunday night in Leicester, UK. I just don't > know wether I ought to fork out the 16UKP for the ticket - seems a bit > steep to me! Has anyone seen them lately - if so what's the line-up and > are they worth seeing now? (I wouold have killed to see them in '85) > > > You can e-mail me direct on the address below > > Regards > > Maxine > > > The night shall be filled with music > And the cares that infest the day mxw at dmu.ac.uk > Shall fold their tents like the Arabs http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw/ > And as silently steal away. Honda CB250 RS > H.W. Longfellow > Maxine; How are you? The new Purple (Mach VII?) consists of Ian Gillen(vocals), Roger Glover(bass), Ian Paice(drums), Jon Lord(keys), and get this, Steve Morse on guitar. Morse played w/Dixie Dregs, Kansas, and does alot of solo/clinic workshops. I don't know much about the sound of this lineup. The new disc has not as of yet been released here in the States. Blackmore is fronting Rainbow again (the new disc is great). Chuck Burgi & Greg Smith (BOC) are touring with that lineup. Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From eqshw.blauchno at STATE.UT.US Wed Feb 21 18:55:30 1996 From: eqshw.blauchno at STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:55:30 -0700 Subject: OFF:Rainbow question Message-ID: Manuel or Jean wrote: Blackmore is fronting Rainbow again (the new disc is great). Chuck Burgi & Greg Smith (BOC) are touring with that lineup. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who is the vocalist for the new Rainbow line-up and who else is in the band (keyboards???). What is the title of the new disk? Sorry about the off-topic content. Brad L. blauchno at state.ut.us From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Wed Feb 21 19:09:44 1996 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:09:44 +0100 Subject: writing credits Message-ID: At 21.53 1996-02-21 +0100, you wrote: >>Carl: >>> Well, it is not possible to tell from a writing credit who wrote >>> the lyrics and who wrote the music. The writing credits are for the >>> song or piece--a combination of words, music, and whatever. >> >> In the BOC songbook, the credits for music/lyrics are broken >> out. If people are interested I (or Dan Lindfors!) can do a >> quick run-through of many of the albums. > > >Dan seems to be down & out due to technical problems, and do read BOC-l very >sporadic at the moment. Do not count on him for a *quick* run-through. > He's up on 9! For the moment risen from the grave. Technical problems? Well, my old computer decided to give in last week, so for the time being I have to handle my e-mail through a notebookcomputer of a friend... (Almost by accident a happened to stumble upon my name in my mailflood tonight) Looking through my old songbooks (quick enough?:)I came up with these writing credits (down below, that's right). Although evidently (?) not fully accurate I think these examples give a picture of the balance between credits for the music and for the lyrics. R.U Ready 2 Rock. Music: A Bouchard, Words: S Pearlman This ain't the summer of love. M: A Bouchard, W: M Krugman, D Waller E.T.I: M: D Roeser, W: Pearlman Astronomy: M: J Bouchard, A Bouchard; W: Pearlman The last days of May: M: All band members!!!-not Buck only, W: D Roeser Before the kiss: M: Roeser, Lanier, Bloom, Bouchard, A and J Bouchard, Krugman; W: Pearlman Cities on Flame: M: Roeser, Lanier, Bloom, A Bouchard, J Bouchard (!), W: Pearlman Subhuman: M: Bloom, W: Pearlman Harvester of Eyes. M: Roeser, Bloom, W: Meltzer The red and the black. M: A Bouchard, Bloom; W: Pearlman 7 Screaming Dizbusters. M: A Bouchard, J Bouchard, Roeser; W: Pearlman Me 262. M: Bloom, Roeser; W: Pearlman Sinful love: M: A Bouchard; W: H Robbins Tattoo Vampire: M: A Bouchard; W: H Robbins Golden age of leather: M: Roeser; W: B Abbott Death Valley Nights. M: A Bouchard; W: Meltzer Nosferatu: M: J Bouchard; W: H Wheels The Great Sun Jester: M: Bloom, A Trivers; W: Moorcock So it seems that the credits on the albums (except the first one) usually begin with the makers of the music, and give the writer of the lyrics last, naturally, I would say. Goodnight! Dan (lindfors at algonet.se) From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Feb 21 19:51:16 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:51:16 -0500 Subject: OFF:Rainbow question In-Reply-To: from "Brad M. Lauchnor" at Feb 21, 96 04:55:30 pm Message-ID: > > Manuel or Jean wrote: > > Blackmore is fronting Rainbow again (the new disc is great). Chuck > Burgi & Greg Smith (BOC) are touring with that lineup. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Who is the vocalist for the new Rainbow line-up and who else is in the > band (keyboards???). What is the title of the new disk? > Sorry about the off-topic content. > > Brad L. blauchno at state.ut.us > I believe the singer is Douglas White, although I think he goes by "Doogie"... I am not sure where he came from, or when he'll depart :) The disc I think is entitled "Stranger in us All" and I believe it is already out in Europe. Deep Purple's CD (Purpendicular Waltz, I think??) is supposed to be out next Tuesday here in the US...don't quote me on that. See ya' Keith H. ObCD Utopia - self-titled (members of Amon Duul II) From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Feb 21 20:13:48 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 20:13:48 -0500 Subject: Sun Machine in Cleveland In-Reply-To: <199602191123.AA03664@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Feb 19, 96 06:23:24 am Message-ID: > > Indeed a very enjoyable gig. Hey Keith, why didn't you say hello? I > >was wandering about the whole night w/ my trusty boc-l T... > > > >Wylie > > > Hello all, > > I was also fortunate to be there. It was most excellent. The band was very > well practiced and did a very good job. I was glad to see them play an > extended set. > Sorry I missed you Keith and Wylie. I wore my Nethawks shirt, but didn't > notice any others. I did see Alan there ( hey buddy! ). > As I missed the first NYE show ( looking foward to the tapes, Keith :-) ) > I was wondering, did they have the artists at the first show? No...but they had the 'fire' guy...Wizard Stew, who did his thing at the Toronto and St. Catharines shows this past April. A nice touch, but once you've seen it once or twice, the only suspense is whether his magic powder will actually light up or will just fizzle out harmlessly. Except for the one time in Toronto when he almost set the audience aflame....I felt the heat on that one, lemme tell you....I think Steve L. might have also, eh? Yeah....the artist was pretty cool, wish he would've done a few more. I did see one person (briefly) wearing a Nethawk shirt, but I was with some friends at that particular moment....wasn't sure which one of you it was. I'll see you all at the Gong show at the Odeon, ok??? BTW, are tickets on sale yet, and are they available through Ticketbastard?? Keith H. PS Duane, your tapes are ready, and should be in the mail shortly. PPS All you NE Ohioans....please post any future Sun Machine dates you see. Cleveland is always a good place to go for a weekend. I miss living there. One thing I could do with out, though, is that ridiculous R&R HoF -- has anyone actually paid to see this thing?? Is it really as stupid as it seems?? I really have a problem with awards and honors of recognition (that really are nothing more than a popularity contest) for an art form that is (in a theoretical sense) supposed to be a personal expression that may or may not be appealing to any particular segment of the population. Sorry for the editorial. From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Wed Feb 21 20:55:56 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:55:56 -0800 Subject: writing credits Message-ID: At 07:15 PM 2/21/96 +0000, you wrote: >> This varies from band to band. Take the Doors. All their early >> material was credited as being written by the whole band, while >> obviously Morrison was the key talent there. > > Not necessarily true. "Light My Fire" was Krieger, words and music, >except the keyboard intro which was written by, uh, the keyboard player, >whatever his name was (M-something). Morrison, interesting lyricist that he was, didn't write a lick of music for the doors, that was all (or almost all) Manzaric (sp?). _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Wed Feb 21 20:57:00 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 20:57:00 -0500 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? Message-ID: ObCD: Nik Turner, _Past or Future?_ I don't remember seeing this discussed here, but I've been deleting boc-l mail in such big chunks that I probably missed it. The front plastic of the CD case has fine horizontal grooves in it that allow the picture on the booklet to change as you tilt it. It's live stuff from NikWind. Some of the tracks are unusual picks, but some of the others add a twentieth version. The sound doesn't seem as heavy as on _Space Ritual 1994_; maybe it's the lack of Helios Creed. - Dream Worker - Kadu Flyer - Lord of the Hornets - Warriors on the Edge of Time - Spiral Galaxy 28948 - Dying Seas - Soul Herder - Opa-Loka 2000 - 10 Seconds of Forever - Ejection - Audio Energy - High Rise - Silver Machine - Shouldn't Do That Cleopatra CLP 9685-2. (76 min) From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 21 11:01:33 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:01:33 GMT Subject: OFF: Alien Stinger Message-ID: In your message dated Wednesday 21, February 1996 you wrote : > I've also been mis-hearing this I think there's another line later > which is *I like my toast done on one side*. Is this supposed to be > the English way? No wonder we lost our bloody empire :-) > > > Chris > I've never met or even heard of anyone *liking their toast done on one side* and I've lived in England all my life. Does Lemmy like his toast done on one side? How about Nik Turner? I *do* like fried egg sandwiches, though. Especially when served in the middle of a field. At 4.00 a.m. -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ 25 years of social reform, ain't gonna make me change or make me conform. From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Feb 21 23:18:34 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 23:18:34 -0500 Subject: Bolle: don't hold back! Message-ID: Arthur Levy's response: What amazes me most, and what no one seems to be aware of -- is that Eric and Buck and Steve Shenk and Sandy (and Murray too, if you want to go back that far) all approved (and edited, on many occasions) everything I ever wrote about the band, going back to my first "official" bio on them back in ' 78, and including every subsequent update and every liner note, too. There was nothing that ever got printed or published without going through mega approvals. But so it goes -- you can't please all the people all the time, or some damn thing. I wonder how many people spent $200 for that same Japanese bootleg just to find out if it was true? I sure as hell didn't! But I still have 2 copies of the white-label EP, so if Bolle has 4, that's not bad at all. After all, nobody knows whatever happened to all the extra castings that Warner Brothers made of the Maltese Falcon, do they? Guess I'll just have to try harder next time. What year y'figure that'll be? -- A.L From chip at PCC.COM Wed Feb 21 23:25:01 1996 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 23:25:01 -0500 Subject: writing credits In-Reply-To: <199602220009.BAA29978@plato.algonet.se> from "Dan Lindfors" at Feb 22, 96 01:09:44 am Message-ID: > Looking through my old songbooks (quick enough?:)I came up with these > writing credits (down below, that's right). Although evidently (?) not fully > accurate I think these examples give a picture of the balance between > credits for the music and for the lyrics. It figures that I spend 20 minutes typing this in and then DAN goes and does it himself! Cripes! Here's MY version of the same list, some items missing, many added. Essentially, I am missing the first three (crucial) albums... Song Lyrics Music -------------------------------------------------------------------- Death Valley Nights Meltzer AB Golden Age of Leather Abbott DR Searchin' For Celine AL AL Fireworks AB AB R.U. Ready 2 Rock SP AB Celestial the Queen Wheels JB Goin' Through the Motions EB/Hunter EB/Hunter I Love the Night DR DR Nosferatu Wheels JB This Ain't The Summer of Love Krugman/Waller AB True Confessions AL AL Revenge of Vera Gemini Smith AB Tattoo Vampire Robbins AB Tenderloin AL AL Morning Final JB JB Debbie Denise Smith AB Don't Fear the Reaper DR DR In Thee AL AL Dr. Music Meltzer JB/DR Great Sun Jester Moorcock EB/Trivers The Vigil DR/Roeser DR/Roeser Mirrors Abbott DR Moon Crazy JB JB You're Not the One Bouchard AB Lonely Teardrops AL AL I Am the Storm Binder JB ETI Pearlman DR ME 262 Pearlman DR/EB What's interesting is that SO MANY of the songs have lyrics from someone else (more than half!). Meanwhile, the music credits work something like this: Al Bouchard - 8 Buck - 8 Joe Bouchard - 6 Lanier - 5 Bloom - 3 -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 21 11:21:14 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:21:14 GMT Subject: OffTopic: US politics Message-ID: (In reply to your message dated Wednesday 21, February 1996) It's not that I'm entirely naive when it comes to politics, it's just that I don't believe any of those guys have a clue how real people live. Otherwise they wouldn't have sent soldiers in unumbered police uniforms to destroy people's homes in '85 at Stonehenge or the million and one other crimes these self-motivated assholes have pulled down the millenia, both here and in the US. It's very easy to get sucked into their intellectualising but it's all a front. They do nothing for you. and they care even less. THEY DO THIS FOR THEMSELVES. FUCK THEM. You seem like a decent guy, why do you need some shit-heel telling you how to live? There is no aspect of my life which wouldn't be improved if the govt. didn't mess with it. this is too off-topic to rant on but I'll chat privately for a bit. But not too long....I'm not *really* interesting in what passes for political *thought* ;> Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ 25 years of social reform, ain't gonna make me change or make me conform. From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Thu Feb 22 01:09:13 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:09:13 -0500 Subject: Imaginos - The dream... Message-ID: Sir John: >Wait a minute - let's everybody get one thing clear, and I apologize if >my talk of what Imaginos "should have been" suggested this: >THE ORIGINAL LINEUP WILL *NEVER* ALL GET TOGETHER AGAIN >DON'T BOTHER WISHING FOR IT. Ok. I'll try not to imagine the fabulous five slashing through a trilogy the likes of which would shake the very foundations of rock & roll history... I will still maintain one goal, however. I am still on a quest to try and record (for my own personal listening pleasure, of course) the entire set as listed by Mr. Al himself sometime ago. I have most of it, as I'm quite sure almost everyone here does. Gil Blanco County will take a bit longer, but I'm working on it... =) Though it will never come to pass it is rather nice, once in awhile, right in the middle of Imaginos, to imagine it continuing on in its originally intended form... Buck's guitar soaring through the night skies...on wings of steel... The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Thu Feb 22 01:09:53 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:09:53 -0500 Subject: Imaginos - The Bedtime Story... Message-ID: Carl: >>>From almost every angle, the whole situation surrounding BOC >>& Imaginos reads like a Shakespearian tragedy, with little hope >>of reconciliation between Capulet & Montague... >>I would like nothing more than for bygones to be bygones, and >>the full story be told. But alas, poor yorick, it is not to be... >For God's sake, let us sit upon the floor and tell bedtime >stories to the children of the damned .... ;) >Cheers, >Carl I am neither child or damned kind sir, but I do like a good bedtime story now & then... =) "Is it any wonder that my minds on fire..." The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Thu Feb 22 01:09:24 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:09:24 -0500 Subject: 1st Annual BOC BBQ... Message-ID: Manuel & Jean: >We normally drive quite a distance each year just to see a few BOC >shows, so traveling for the sole purpose of BOC is nothing new to us. The band would be proud. Sir Charles Of Gow will be hosting the event. RSVP to Charlie Gow at if you plan on attending. He'll be posting a 'brochure' around March 1st, with details on local accomodations and the like. I'll be sure to post it here on the BOC-AL... >Some people have (or had) the Greatful Dead. Jean & I have BOC!!! A fine choice... =) >thanks.... Don't thank me, thank our gracious host at the Casa de Gow... The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From RobM376 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 22 01:29:32 1996 From: RobM376 at AOL.COM (Robert Miller) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:29:32 -0500 Subject: Bolle: don't hold back! Message-ID: Pomegranite Press would be a good publisher for a BOC book From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 22 01:31:17 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:31:17 -0500 Subject: writing credits Message-ID: Yes, you are pretty off-- largely because you're confusing "songwriter" with "lyricist" and yoy have little idea about what roles people in any given band actually play (sounds as if you have never played in one). Then again, when I was a kid (albeit a pretty little one, like in kindergarten) I thought Mount Rushmore was a natural phenomenon! And I couldn't figure out why more mountains didn't have presidents on 'em... From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 22 01:31:31 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:31:31 -0500 Subject: BOC: Why Columbia insisted on Imaginos being a BOC album Message-ID: The reality is that Albert was given a contract by Columbia to do the solo album, the company was well aware of what he was doing, and financed it. As a solo effort, not a BOC one. But regimes at companies-- whether they're selling insurance or records-- change. And albums get shelved all the time. They don't usually get pulled out, and have someone else's name slapped on it, though! And there's another element here-- Pearlman. Who at that time was Albert's manager, and dealt with the record company, and may have very well told Albert one thing and the company another. And he may very well have thought he was making a Pearlman album! And once the music was finished--something he could not have done on his own-- he took the ball and ran with it. Interesting, too, at the time, that many tried to take credit-- they're all equally quick to point the blame for the album's failure. That it was the company's fault... not really. People here are enthusiastic about the album (as were musicians-- both Axl Rose and James Hetfield placed it among their top tens in the year's Rolling Stone). Certainly it was very different than most stuff of the moment and it seemed like a return to the sound and spirit of old. But there was also something not quite convincing about it... and for good reason. You can't fool the public all the time, etc... and there was no way that this was going to be a huge success, without a real commitment. C'mon, even when the unconsitituted Pink Floyd ring the division bell, they pulled out the flying pigs, made an event of it...and of course, they had some kind of vision about what they were doing, other than using it as a means to make a very quick buck... The only interesting thing about Eric's comments about Imaginos, which Steve noted, is that he seems have forgotten that he originally denied that Albert had anything to do with it. From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 22 01:31:45 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:31:45 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: What you could have heard were Albert's unmixed work tapes. They are hardly "significantly" different in the basic feel or texture, because those are indeed the feels and textures that exist on the final album. Certain parts have been raised or lowered, numerous effects added, and of course, some of the lead vocals have been changed, and in some cases, a guitar lead changed (but not too many).The "differences" in feel or texture between any final product and what you heard is like the difference between tasting a cake before it's risen completely and the cooled item on the rack, complete with trim and frosting. Or it's like seeing a movie, before the final cut, with all of the added effects. Or-- just another example for you non-musicians, who seem to have little experience dealing with the nuts and bolts from riff to wrap-- seeing a house under construction before the final paint and details are put on. The basis of the final album is exactly what Albert and the musicians under his direction-- Thommy Price, Kenny Aaronson, and several different guitarists, laid down. And in only a couple of instances were the overdubbed lead vocals not following his original ones fairly closely. This is not to say that in some cases the overdubbed vocals are not an improvement (in some cases, they're not) or that some of what you may also perceive as "texture" is not only the result of varying levels of the unmixed tape, but, on the final product, the result of the master having eroded due to overuse-- and certain things may also be out of phase on the final album due to poor engineering and mix technique. From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 21 11:07:59 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:07:59 GMT Subject: OffTopic: US politics Message-ID: In your message dated Wednesday 21, February 1996 you wrote : > I just saw the New Hampshire result. I presume that the Republicans will > now need to mount a "stop Buchanan" campaign in order to prevent a > disaster in November? The question is will the establishment stick with > what looks to be a fading Dole who has the campaign machinery but > probably can't beat Clinton or go with Alexander who's had a couple of > good results, has no funding or electoral organisation and might just be > able to beat Clinton in the charisma stakes? > > Cheers > > FoFP H'mm, tricky.... I think Space Bandits isn't so bad these days, but I didn't really like it very much at the time. I'd probably vote for Electric Tepee from the last five years. But you have elections every four years, don't you? -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ 25 years of social reform, ain't gonna make me change or make me conform. From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 22 04:37:06 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:37:06 GMT Subject: writing credits Message-ID: In your message dated Wednesday 21, February 1996 you wrote : > Morrison, interesting lyricist that he was, didn't write a lick of music for > the doors, that was all (or almost all) Manzaric (sp?). > _ > | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish > | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's > |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." Beg to differ. OK Morrison didn't actually *play* an instrument, but several songs e.g. Moonlight Drive were presented in rehersal to the rest of the band as songs. Not poems or lyrics but with the melody already present. The rest of the band would then play the right chords etc. to the tunes that Jim had already composed. -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ 25 years of social reform, ain't gonna make me change or make me conform. From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Thu Feb 22 06:57:49 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:57:49 +0000 Subject: Off Topic - Who isn't? Message-ID: Since there were two references to Lemmy in the last Digest I feel I can mention this one... I was watching "Sounds of the Eighties" on BBC2 last week (and what a show it was...). The first clip was Motorhead playing "Ace of Spades" - in the credits at the end of the show they said "Motorhead were named after a song by Hawkwind, a band from which Lemmy was thrown out of before forming his own group" (nothing we didn't know here but a reference all the same). The second clip was ZZ-Top "Cheap Sunglasses" after which they showed a clip from some comedy programme (possibly " A kick up the eighties") with a panel of 'pop' critics - Pop quiz host "Well what do you think of them?" Long-haired hippy "Uh dunno man.." Pop quiz host "I'll give you a clue, you're their lead singer!" Life's a riot! Maxine The night shall be filled with music And the cares that infest the day mxw at dmu.ac.uk Shall fold their tents like the Arabs http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw/ And as silently steal away. Honda CB250 RS H.W. Longfellow UKMC #9 From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Feb 22 07:24:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:24:00 EST Subject: HW: tapes and gigs and tapes Message-ID: >I just ran Bernhard's Hawkwind gig list through a bit of processing: >to concatenate the list, remove the MIME encoding and the mail >headers, etc... An awesome job on both your and Bernhard's parts! >Then I ran wc on it... > Twenty-seven years. > One thousand, four hundred and thirty one gigs. Hey Bernhard, you've got less than 1/2 man. I thought you were a kollektor. How many do you think Dave remembers doing? Rudy In a valiant effort to put a stake in the never ending saga of the Imaginos screwing of Al. I Just got the album a week ago to see what the fuss is about. It is good, but it's a closed book. Al got the shaft. The fans got rooked out of follow ups. That's the Cliff notes version. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 22 07:58:27 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:58:27 EST Subject: BOC: Mercedez/Yuppies Message-ID: > > > Easy does it Theo. First of all, most people who have heard of BOC these > days don't even know the band is still (in some form) together. So > from alot of people's standpoint, yes, BOC may be "disposable" - sad, > but true (not to us, of course). Second, don't knock anyone who turns > up at a BOC concert these days -- they need all the fans they can get! Agreed. Anything to induce Sony [or anyone for that matter] to get behind the 3OC for an album. > Third, some of us here could be considered by others as "yuppies" - I > don't consider myself one, but some people I know might label me as > one (although I gotta admit I can't afford a Mercedes, but I do own a > "foreign" car). Finally, I hear Eric got a good deal on a new car for > using BOC's name in that commercial . . . > > John Well, you may look like a yuppie, but I'd argue that anyone who likes BOC as much as you do, couldn't, by definition, be a yuppie. They'd probably toss you out of the yuppie club for such a thing, unless they wanted to keep someone around as a reminder of their irreverent youth! Me, I drive Detroit iron [well, actually Tenn.--a Saturn] and am too old and poor to be reasonably considered for such status. theo > In the player right now: The Brain Surgeons *Eponymous* - smashing me > with "bolts of ungodly vision" > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 22 08:07:43 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:07:43 +0000 Subject: Imaginos - The Bedtime Story... In-Reply-To: <960222010950_329511973@emout09.mail.aol.com> from "Douglas A. Mitchell" at Feb 22, 96 01:09:53 am Message-ID: > >>From almost every angle, the whole situation surrounding BOC > >>& Imaginos reads like a Shakespearian tragedy, with little hope > >>of reconciliation between Capulet & Montague... > >>I would like nothing more than for bygones to be bygones, and > >>the full story be told. But alas, poor yorick, it is not to be... > >For God's sake, let us sit upon the floor and tell bedtime > >stories to the children of the damned .... Just for the record, the "bedtime stories for the children of the damned" is a ref to the Stephen King intro to the Imaginos "Astronomy" single ... Cheers, Carl From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Thu Feb 22 08:11:07 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:11:07 EST Subject: Subject/Title Message-ID: --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 22/02/96 08.57 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET Dear All Apologies for basically moaning, but my attempts at filtering out messages that I'm not interested in are becoming a farce due to SUBJECT titles of BOC/HW/BRAIN/NIK/OTHER/ALL not being adhered to. I believe everybody received instructions on the above when they first subscribed. Yours optimistically. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 22 08:15:12 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:15:12 EST Subject: writing credits Message-ID: > In your message dated Wednesday 21, February 1996 you wrote : > > Morrison, interesting lyricist that he was, didn't write a lick of music for > > the doors, that was all (or almost all) Manzaric (sp?). > > _ > > | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish > > | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's > > |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." > > Beg to differ. OK Morrison didn't actually *play* an instrument, but several > songs e.g. Moonlight Drive were presented in rehersal to the rest of the band as > songs. Not poems or lyrics but with the melody already present. The rest of the > band would then play the right chords etc. to the tunes that Jim had already > composed. > -- > Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. > http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ > 25 years of social reform, > ain't gonna make me change or make me conform. There was a good interview with Robbie in Guitar World a little while back, and he said that Morrison [probably contrary to a lot of preconceptions] always insisted that songwriting credits be attributed to the whole band. Although this did change for, I think, Soft parade. Jim liked the notion of band solidarity. Robbie also said a lot of nice things about Morrison. How he got along really well with him, Jim's respect for his ability etc. Coolest thing was, they asked Robbie if he anticipated Jim's early death. Robbie said: 'no way, I always thought Jim'd live forever, that he was one of those guys who could drink all they want, do anything, and not get a scratch'[paraphrased of course] Well, it would've been great if Jim had lived. I've always seen BOC as inheritors of at least part of the Doors' mantle... theo From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Feb 22 08:51:46 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:51:46 +0100 Subject: HW: tapes and gigs and tapes Message-ID: Hi there >An awesome job on both your and Bernhard's parts! But unfortunately a lot of gigs are missing, especially from US gigs in 1974-1975 !!! If someone could help me to complete the list I'd be very greatfull! !!!!!!!!!!!!Any hint is very welcome!!!!!!!!!!!!! >How many do you think Dave remembers doing? I spoke to Dave backstage before the gig in HENGELO (Holland) on 09.December.1993, giving him the (at this time) current giglist. The list was binded like a book with a nice hawk-picture on the front side. Dave took a long look inside and was absolutely astonished. "Did we really make more than 1200 gigs ?!?" he asked me. "I'm not sure" I said. "but here in the list are all gigs me and some helpful friends could find from advertisments, tourposters and magazine-articles. I am very sure that about 200 are missing". "Indeed" he said. "The early 70ies were chaotic years" He asked me why and when I did the list. I answered that I'm doing the list in my free time and with a PC this work is not to difficult. I spoke for about 20 minutes with Dave and 15 minutes with Richard and had a very good time Remeber this evening very good because during the gig a German Shepherd came on stage and walked for about 5 minutes during YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT across the stage. He seemed to enjoy the music.(maybe HAWKWIND tunes are pleasant for dog-ears??) I was standing very close to the stage and could see very good the perplexed faces from DAVE, RICHARD, ALAN and the DANCER But after the dog went off from the stage they all laughed (the audience too!) and continued a very good gig but unfortunately without encore (like on the other Holland gigs) Someone interested in the tape ?? Bernhard From m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK Thu Feb 22 15:13:17 1996 From: m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK (M.R.VARLEY) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:13:17 GMT+0 Subject: Subject/Title Message-ID: Jeremy Dacombe writes > > Dear All > Apologies for basically moaning, but my attempts at filtering > out messages that I'm not interested in are becoming a farce > due to SUBJECT titles of BOC/HW/BRAIN/NIK/OTHER/ALL not being > adhered to. > I believe everybody received instructions on the above when > they first subscribed. > Yours optimistically. > I joined the list quite recently (5 or 6 weeks ago or so) and don't recall receiving these instructions. I've only posted a couple of times, but, like Jeremy, have received many irrelevant mails. My approach is to note the people who consistently mail rubbish (mentioning no names here!!) and use their name to filter them out. I guess I may miss 1 or 2 interesting points this way but there you go! Not all of us are too bothered what colour socks Dave Brock wore at Hammersmith in 1976!! Cheers! Martin From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Feb 22 10:29:07 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:29:07 -0500 Subject: 1st BOC BBQ Message-ID: >Some people have (or had) the Greatful Dead. Jean & I have BOC!!! > thanks.... Manuel So what are dead-heads doing now that JG is gone? Martyn From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 22 10:34:16 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:34:16 GMT Subject: OffTopic: US politics In-Reply-To: Chris Bates's message of Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:13:17 GMT Message-ID: Chris Bates writes: > Going WAY off topic FoFP wrote: > > > I wondered if they do negative campaigning because they're naturally > > mean guys or if it's due to it having proven out that this is the most > > effective way of campaigning. If the latter then it's really the > > electorate who are to blame. > > Politics has to be the art of compromise, issues or never black and white, > but most (if not all) politically active people are very committed to one > particular belief. Usually this belief will be in an area such as economics > or social justice, occassionally it will simply be rank prejudice or hatred. > Their world view will be coloured by this basic belief from an early age > (look how many of 'em become politically active as children), and they > surround themselves with like-minded individuals who reinforce these > views and beliefs. By the time that they run for office many otherwise > good people are convinced that their opponents are the spawn of Beelzebub. > > They think that *the other lot* are lying scum who're out to presonally > discredit them so they try to get their retaliation in first. This is > perpetuated by the media, where journalists know far less than they pretend > and are driven by relentless short-termism. The whole cycle ratchets up > over time and you end up with the ludicrous situation where opposition > politicians here can't see the Scott report before publication in case > they leak it! > > In addition the politicians now use *focus groups* which are where the > lowest-common denominator thrives. A 10 second attack-ad will get a > better response than 30 minutes of considered analysis (people are too > ill-informed/ill-educated to follow the analysis). Not a new phenomenon > - Dickens writes about similar happenings in18th/early 19th century > politics in *Pickwick Papers*. > > > Like us, it looks like you don't really get the option of electing > > anyone a reasonable person would want to have any control over their > > lives. > > The only person who can control my life is me. Politicians crave power, > our only hope is to ensure that all they are allowed to do is set a > framework within which we can live. > > > Anyway. Since this is so off topic and since there are politics junkies > > and folks who like to debate here, maybe I could fly a kite for setting > > up a separate mailing list to cover the US campaign in particular and > > politics in general? > > Excellent idea, provided it doesn't descend to the level of the usenet > politics groups! Well I'd make it a moderated private mailing list. So that we could keep irrelevant topics like Rock Music off 'em :-) Not that I haven't had fun in the Usenet politics groups ;-) Anyway, the others will be pleased to hear that things are in hand and I hope to have the USPOL mailing list set up on Monday. Those who want to be in at the start should email me privately. Feel free to invite epals if you figure they can contribute. > Chris Cheers FoFP From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Thu Feb 22 10:47:28 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:47:28 -0500 Subject: BOC: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Feb 1996 Torgo asked: >>>From Siege: "World Without End!" > Spans a river we call time, World without end." >Noting that this song is in fact at least partially Bouchard penned, does >this song fit anywhere into the Imaginos saga? I remember back last year >sometime when Albert stated for the record all the many songs that could >indeed fit somewhere into the whole Imaginos Thang, yet for some reason I >don't remember this song being on it. Actually it never really occured to >me until I finally caught the "world without end" line. The song HM:B&S was really a cut and paste job. The track was already recorded and I didn't feel that the Ear Damage lyric was 'mystical' enough for a BOC album. I asked Pearlman to make a lyric for it (seeing as how he really had no financial reward from the album, not having produced it or any other songwriting credits whatsoever) and he was only too happy to oblige. 'Seige' was already written so he just borrowed that line to finish the phrase. Eric, Sandy and I went in a room with the tape of the track and worked on it until we had a finished lyric and melody line. Then Eric went into the studio and sang it, all in one night. We really rushed to get FOUO finished before Martin Birch had to go off to produce Mob Rules for Black Sabbath. OTOH it could be argued that any one of SP's lyrics could be part of the Imaginos saga. Al From 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM Thu Feb 22 10:45:56 1996 From: 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:45:56 EST Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: >As for >tBS, I think their music stands on its own merit easily, and given >any kind of breaks, they should be a big force in music--IF they >aren't percieved as being dinosaurs. Could be Al's connection to an >ancient heavy band like BOC could actually work to his disadvantage! (Ted O. Jackson) I wouldn't think so. I mean, it's not as if BOC is remembered by so many people out there - else us fans. Well, I'm not sure about the States, but here in France the band has unfortunately completely fallen into "Memory Oblivion", if you see what I mean... :( And it seems it's pretty much the same thing elsewhere, judging from what Stephen Swann says : >BOC once had a "name" >guitarist, back in the 70s when people had still heard of them Alex. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Feb 22 10:53:00 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:53:00 -0500 Subject: OFF: You may be subject to fits of ....... Message-ID: Darts team thrown off target by LSD cakes A DARTS match was abandoned as one team collapsed into laughter and hysteria after its pre-match buffet was spiked with hallucinogenic drugs. Most of the team from the Fortynine Club, Caerphilly, Mid Glamorgan, aged between 21 and 62, were taken to hospital after they were either reduced to tears or uncontrollable fits of giggling during an away match in nearby Llanharry. Three men were detained overnight because their heart rate was affected by the drug, believed to be LSD or "magic mushrooms", which was added to their Welsh cakes. Despite the ill-effects, the Fortynine club was winning 3-1 at the Fox and Hounds on Tuesday night when the match had to be called off. Dennis Morgan, 45, the Caerphilly captain, said: "My team started going down like ninepins. One minute we were winning 3-1, the next it all started to go wrong. It was just as if all of my team were dead drunk. They started laughing and giggling and some burst into tears. They were falling down, sitting on the floor and acting stupid." Emma Cannon, 23, barmaid at the Fox and Hounds, said yesterday: "All the younger men were helpless with laughter but the older guys burst out crying. Nobody knew what was going on. At first it was quite funny but some of the players became really ill so we called an ambulance. In the end it took four ambulances to get them all to hospital. There were only four of the away team left at the end. Apparently they didn't eat the cakes because they were dieting." South Wales Constabulary said a 39-year-old man and a 19-year-old woman were being interviewed at Caerphilly police station. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 22 10:55:55 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:55:55 -0500 Subject: Paging Ed Hoden Message-ID: Sorry to post this to the list, but I tried to send some e-mail to Ed Hoden (Runlago), and it bouced. Ed - if you're out there, please send a message to me: jswartz at mitre.org Thanks, John From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Feb 22 11:13:43 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:13:43 +0000 Subject: Paging Allan Grohe Message-ID: Hi Allan, Have you received any mail from me recently? I suspect a Communication Breakdown. Dave. From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Thu Feb 22 11:44:48 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:44:48 EST Subject: Subject/Title Message-ID: --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 22/02/96 11.54 --- Received from LES.DACOMBJ 4709 22/02/96 08.57 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET Dear All Apologies for basically moaning, but my attempts at filtering out messages that I'm not interested in are becoming a farce due to SUBJECT titles of BOC/HW/BRAIN/NIK/OTHER/ALL not being adhered to. I believe everybody received instructions on the above when they first subscribed. Yours optimistically. From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Feb 22 12:58:40 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:58:40 +0000 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:13:05 EST." <199602211913.OAA20011@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: > Furthermore, I bet that these market-driven lumps of flesh probably > view BOC as a nostalgia act, suitable for grabbing a slice of the > yuppie baby-boomer i-used-to-be-a-rocker pie. That yuppie car > commercial "You used to dream of playing power chords with Blue Oyster > Cult" probably summarizes the point of view of a lot more than just > the auto industry towards the band. I can't see that the demise is all due to the scumsucking bastards, err, the music biz. What continues to utterly nonplus me is the apparent complicity of the 3 remaining members to cruise around in creative neutral for years on end. Al may have departed with the lion's share of inspiration, but there's still the odd spark here and there (Harvest Moon springs to mind. No comment about the other 'new' songs ;-) I obviously can't share the POV of the guys left in the band, but on a basic intellectual level, surely they must be bored out of existence by now. Anybody would be, let alone personalities who at least in the past must have been fuelled by some artistic expression or ambition. From what's come & gone on this forum, perhaps Eric is content with his lot, but I kinda hoped for more from Buck & Allen. Next time one of 'em logs on to AOL or whatever, perhaps someone should cut through the fawning idolatry and asinine questions and maybe just bluntly ask them quite what the fuck they think their masterplan is these days. This 'bad management and no corporate backing' crutch only supports so much. Tim 'is it too late to understand the writing that's on the walls while we watch time slip through our hands we're deaf to our own demands when the eleventh hour calls' Fates Warning From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 22 11:49:22 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:49:22 +0000 Subject: OFF: Satriani In-Reply-To: Message-ID: See Satriani's name come up in connection with Imaginos, obviously, but didn't know he had anything to do with Deep Purple. I know almost nothing of the band, so I'll just ask, was he playing in `Smoke on the Water'? Or was this before/after his time? As for the man, well, I'm with Theo: good, but he ain't Buck. One guitarist friend of mine thinks he's the best thing ever, but I just hear a lot of notes that don't make music. Lots and lots of very skilful notes, sure, but it kind of misses the point of the guitar... doesn't the OED definition of music have the word `rhthym' in it somewhere? Mind you, the only song I ever heard of his on the radio sounded all right. Can't remember the title though. Anyway, my opinion. Jazza /----------------------------------------------------------\ | "So, Penfold, what did you think of Popacatepetl?" | | "Er, not yet chief, but I will as soon as we | | get to the kitchen." | |==========================================================| |Jonathan Jarrett ( History ) | Ext. Tel. 01223 460728 | | ( Pembroke College, | Int. Tel. 39082 | | Cambridge CB2 1RF ) or | E-MAIL: | | 2 Selwyn Gardens (7), | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | Cambridge CB2 1NG. | | \__________________________________________________________/ From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Feb 22 13:03:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:03:00 EST Subject: HW: the Oakland laugh explained Message-ID: [from Bernhard] >Remeber this evening very good because during the gig a German Shepherd came >on stage and walked for about 5 minutes during YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT >across the stage. He seemed to enjoy the music.(maybe HAWKWIND tunes are >pleasant for dog-ears??) >I was standing very close to the stage and could see very good the perplexed >faces from DAVE, RICHARD, ALAN and the DANCER >But after the dog went off from the stage they all laughed (the audience >too!) and continued a very good gig but unfortunately without encore (like >on the other Holland gigs) This must be where the phantom laugh in California Brainstorm came from. That way they didn't have to pay anybody for the rights. >Someone interested in the tape ?? Need you ask? Good story though. Rudy From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 22 11:51:30 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:51:30 +0000 Subject: Imaginos - The dream... In-Reply-To: <960222010911_329511881@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Douglas A. Mitchell wrote: > Buck's guitar soaring through the night skies...on wings of steel... Wasn't that Batfink? Yours irrev., Jazza From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 22 11:53:40 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:53:40 +0000 Subject: Imaginos - The Bedtime Story... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > >For God's sake, let us sit upon the floor and tell bedtime > > >stories to the children of the damned .... > > Just for the record, the "bedtime stories for the children of > the damned" is a ref to the Stephen King intro to the Imaginos "Astronomy" > single ... > > Cheers, > Carl > And correct me if I'm wrong, but the Stephen King bit sounds a hell of a lot like Shakespeare's Richard II to me.. BOC dragging in four hundred years of material here! Jazza From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 22 13:20:16 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:20:16 GMT Subject: OFF:=OTHER: (was Re: Subject/Title) In-Reply-To: Jeremy Dacombe's message of Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:44:48 EST Message-ID: oops - I haven't been paying attention here! I honestly thought the filter was OFF: sorry! jill > Dear All > Apologies for basically moaning, but my attempts at filtering > out messages that I'm not interested in are becoming a farce > due to SUBJECT titles of BOC/HW/BRAIN/NIK/OTHER/ALL not being > adhered to. > I believe everybody received instructions on the above when > they first subscribed. > Yours optimistically. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mfuller at CISCO.COM Thu Feb 22 13:29:07 1996 From: mfuller at CISCO.COM (Mike Fuller) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:29:07 -0800 Subject: HW: gigs and gigs and gigs In-Reply-To: <199602212101.QAA23926@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: >>>>> On Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:01:19 -0500, Stephen Swann >>>>> said: Steve> I just ran Bernhard's Hawkwind gig list through a bit of Steve> processing: to concatenate the list, remove the MIME encoding and Steve> the mail headers, etc... ... Steve> Twenty-seven years. Steve> One thousand, four hundred and thirty one gigs. That's only 53 gigs a year, or about one gig a week! What are these guys doing the other 6 days? :-) BTW, I seem to remember something about BOC playing 260 gigs a year at one point. Anybody want to do a BOC gig list? :-) -- Mike From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Feb 22 13:29:29 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:29:29 +0000 Subject: OFF: Satriani In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:49:22 GMT." Message-ID: > See Satriani's name come up in connection with Imaginos, > obviously, but didn't know he had anything to do with Deep Purple. I know > almost nothing of the band, so I'll just ask, was he playing in `Smoke on > the Water'? Or was this before/after his time? No, no, Joe just filled in for Ritchie, on the last US tour was it ? Besides, Jason, one of the resident boc-l DP heads would know more. Oi, Jason where are you lurking ? > As for the man, well, I'm with Theo: good, but he ain't Buck. One > guitarist friend of mine thinks he's the best thing ever, but I just hear > a lot of notes that don't make music. Lots and lots of very skilful > notes, sure, but it kind of misses the point of the guitar... What ?? :-0 You can hardly lump Joe in with the truckload of widdly widdly merchants like Malmsteen, Tafolla, Chastain etc who mainly have sunk without trace. I reckon Satriani's work is considerably broader than most of theirs, and displays a degree more thought/emotion/depth than a guitarist with his eye on the speedo :) > doesn't the > OED definition of music have the word `rhthym' in it somewhere? Mind you, > the only song I ever heard of his on the radio sounded all right. Can't > remember the title though. 'Always with Me, Always with You' Go take a listen, and see if your opinion doesn't change. It is IMHO, one of _the_ definitive guitar instrumentals ever put down on record. > Anyway, my opinion. Yeah, noted. :) Tim ObConfession: Uh, actually, I own an undue number of neoclassical fusion LPs From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 22 13:35:43 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:35:43 +0000 Subject: HW: it never rains but it pours Message-ID: Gee, does anyone remember the days when BOC-only fans were complaining they were going to leave the list because there wasn't enough BOC discussion? ;) :) Well, it's good to see there's plenty of _that_ going around these days. Still, anyone know what HW are up to? Last news we heard was about the remastering of the UA stuff and Doug Smith trying to stiff Griffin. Anyone know if these guys are recording, planning a tour, quietly smoking themselves in oblivion, or what? Cheers, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 22 13:37:57 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:37:57 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: A couple comments for Tim: >What continues to utterly nonplus me is the apparent complicity of the 3 remaining members to cruise around in creative neutral for years on end Some say that you can't teach an old dog new tricks . . . >perhaps Eric is content with his lot, but I kinda hoped for more from Buck & Allen Why? Because Buck/Allen may have more musical talent than Eric? Don't confuse musical talent with intelligence/decency/integrity/personality/etc. >Next time one of 'em logs on to AOL or whatever, perhaps someone should cut through the fawning idolatry and asinine questions and maybe just bluntly ask them quite what the fuck they think their masterplan is these days. Good idea, but probably futile. Have you every been part of those "chats"? If not, check out ROBODUDE's web site and look at a few logs. It should become quickly apparent that: 1. "Most" of the people there wouldn't be critical or blunt to the band if their lives depended on it -- o.k., maybe I'm stretching it here, but it's definitely a love-fest 2. Anything inflamatory that does come up is usually just ignored -- hell, most of the questions in those chats are ignored because there's like 10 of them at a time coming at the band, and they just answer the one's that they either want to or have time to. And, half the time it seems like the guys in the band are spending half their time at their terminals, and half of their time doing something else (like watching a basketball game). 3. Finally, if you look at old logs at what the band says that they're gonna do, then see the results, I think it may be obvious that they have no masterplan, and nothing seems to get done when they say it will be. Case in point - they've been saying for probably the last 6 months that "The Vigil" is being added to the set -- up until probably a few weeks ago (and for all I know, maybe not yet), that song hadn't yet been played live. I think that they're just plodding along, perhaps trying to get a new disc out, but without any real masterplan. John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 22 14:29:13 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:29:13 +0000 Subject: Imaginos - The Bedtime Story... In-Reply-To: from "Jon Jarrett" at Feb 22, 96 04:53:40 pm Message-ID: > > > >For God's sake, let us sit upon the floor and tell bedtime > > > >stories to the children of the damned .... > > > > Just for the record, the "bedtime stories for the children of > > the damned" is a ref to the Stephen King intro to the Imaginos "Astronomy" > > single ... > > And correct me if I'm wrong, but the Stephen King bit sounds a > hell of a lot like Shakespeare's Richard II to me.. BOC dragging in four > hundred years of material here! Oh, well the "For God's sake, let us sit upon the floor and tell" bit is my own borrowing from, ah, _Richard II_ I think? Probably wrong. Cheers, Carl From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 22 14:44:25 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:44:25 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-21 13:15:43 EST, you write: >> I always thought that CBS didn't like Imaginos and would only release >> Imaginos if it was a BOC album. And BOC was cooperating with CBS under the >> terms of their contract. So how did they shaft Albert when they ultimately >> helped get his solo album released? By grabbing credit for the album being a >> BOC album? It seems to me that one must remember that Imaginos came out >> because of BOC. No BOC, no Imaginos. >> >I think CBS would only back a new project if it was under the BOC >aegis. Then, when they heard how wild the record was, they gave up >on it as non-commercial. MHO! But--No Al, no 'Imaginos' either. >It certainly was his project. Even if he needed the BOC name to make >the album, it's unfair for the band to try to consider it theirs. Imaginos started off as an Albert solo album. BOC was brought in when CBS declined to issue the album as an Albert solo album. I'm not sure BOC considers it theirs. They do not play any songs off Imaginos. Eric's comment ("If you want to hear Imaginos, go to a Brain Surgeons gig") indicates they have no interest in the Imaginos songs. They promoted it when it initially came out, presumably because they needed to do so under their contract. No doubt they benefited financially from it. However, since that initial promotion at the end of the 80's, they have pretty much ignored Imaginos. So I'm not sure that (today) BOC considers it "theirs". R. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 22 14:44:05 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:44:05 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-21 14:14:19 EST, Chip writes: >Rocker22 at AOL.COM: >> It seems to me that one must remember that Imaginos came out >> because of BOC. No BOC, no Imaginos. > > Get something straight: > > Albert had already written everything. He had a band. He'd > already recorded demos that would have passed for an album > pretty nicely. My understanding was that Albert had turned the finished album in to CBS. Those weren't demos, they were finished tracks. > You are aware, aren't you, that Al has put out two albums of his > own since then, right? Of course. I've got them both... > Perhaps what you meant to say was, "No BOC, no _Imaginos_ on CBS > Records." Not a big deal, especially in retrospect. No, I meant "No BOC, no Imaginos". It's very possible that, had CBS not put out Imaginos, it might have died and NEVER been issued. After all, it had been in progress for several YEARS! And CBS (I believe) had already paid for the album, so (presumable) it was theirs (only) to issue. As Deb pointed out, albums get shelved all the time and NEVER see the light of day. Also, things were different in the music industry 7-8 years ago. The Imaginos project could have died without BOC. In reality, Albert is probably the only one who can properly answer this question. So, Albert, what do you think would have happened to Imaginos if BOC hadn't gotten involved? >> I've heard Albert's version of Imaginos (at the Museum) and it is >> significantly different in both feel and texture. > > ????? > > I've heard Albert's Imaginos demos very recently (like, in the > last 24 hours) and it's incredible how much was copied directly > to the final product -- even down to the feedback, vocal cues, > and effects. Sure, there are some differences - especially > with the non-BOC singers - but not many. John, care to agree > ot disagree with me? I won't disagree about the fact that that the BOC version was VERY close to Alberts version. My understanding is that the budget for Imaginos had been used up. CBS granted a few extra $'s for BOC to come in and "finish" the album. There wasn't the budget to do significant changes, just some overdubs and minor changes. However, TO ME, Alberts version is significantly different in both feel and texture. Not good different, not bad different, just...different. > But, yer quite right, parts 2 & 3 of Imaginos would be > incredible. I think just about everyone here would agree with that statement... R. From mseher at ULTRAVOX.EAST.SUN.COM Thu Feb 22 14:44:50 1996 From: mseher at ULTRAVOX.EAST.SUN.COM (Michael Seher) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:44:50 -0500 Subject: BOC: Guitar's bleed lead? Message-ID: recently ROBERT SEDLER But all kidding aside, I think the title "Ear Damage" is too good a Rock & > Roll Title to throw away. Hell, it's generic enough to be used on just > about any heavy tune. Anyone else out there got any nifty titles that > ALMOST made it as BOC song titles? Well, this story is at least a tangent of the "nifty tiles" thread. After ST and before OYFoOYN, I had a dream that the next BOC album was going to be called "140 Ways to 39". The album cover was overloaded with numerology pertaining to and math calculations arriving at the number 39...addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, squares, binaries, imaginary numbers, summations, factorials, square roots, limits...obviously I was taking too many advanced math courses in high school... m Between the horror of space And the terror of time "Death Valley Nights" From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 22 15:06:10 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:06:10 EST Subject: Power in the hands of fools Message-ID: > > about any heavy tune. Anyone else out there got any nifty titles that > > ALMOST made it as BOC song titles? > > Well, this story is at least a tangent of the "nifty tiles" > thread. After ST and before OYFoOYN, I had a dream that the next BOC > album was going to be called "140 Ways to 39". The album cover was > overloaded with numerology pertaining to and math calculations arriving > at the number 39...addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, > squares, binaries, imaginary numbers, summations, factorials, square > roots, limits...obviously I was taking too many advanced math courses > in high school... > > m > > Between the horror of space > And the terror of time > "Death Valley Nights" I believe that the working title for Secret Treaties was 'Power in the hands of fools,' or 'The Big Hurt.' Anyone familiar with these legends? theo From chip at PCC.COM Thu Feb 22 15:37:16 1996 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:37:16 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: <960222144404_150815149@mail06.mail.aol.com> from "Rocker22@AOL.COM" at Feb 22, 96 02:44:05 pm Message-ID: > No, I meant "No BOC, no Imaginos". It's very possible that, had CBS not put > out Imaginos, it might have died and NEVER been issued. After all, it had > been in progress for several YEARS! And CBS (I believe) had already paid for > the album, so (presumable) it was theirs (only) to issue. Ah. You are referring to the RIGHTS to the album, which I was not. Yes, if your presumption is correct (Al?), and CBS owned the rights, _Imaginos_ may have been shelved. I was addressing whether or not Albert needed their help to actually RELEASE an album. I am curious - can a label own an album that doesn't exist? Or would they just own "Albert's next album?" > However, TO ME, Alberts version is significantly > different in both feel and texture. Not good different, not bad different, > just...different. Wow. I was struck with how similar the two are. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Thu Feb 22 15:51:30 1996 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:51:30 -0500 Subject: HW new collectable Message-ID: forwarded without permission from the Ozric Tentacles list as I thought a few of you might be interested in the described collector's item (-8 ************************************************************ since there seems to be some interest in Hawkwind on this group I though I'd pass along a warning/information tidbit. I picked up a Pendragon (neo-prog in the vein of marillion - but hey - it was a good price!) CD titled _The World_ today from Best Buys. When I got the CD case open I was surprised to see a CD imprinted with the Hawkwind _Warrior on the Edge of Time_ image. Well, actually I thought this might be cool - I could get a free preview of the hawkwind disc prior to returning it for my money back. I was (somewhat) disappointed when the music actually turned out to be Pendragon. Not that it is a bad CD, but I though I might get a sneak peek (I would have returned it had it actually been hawkwind, because all the liner notes are for the Pendragon disc - i would have had no idea what even the songe titles were suposed to be!) and maybe even trade for the Hawkind if it turned out good! as it stands i'll likely keep the Pendragon rather than return it. anyways - watch out for the Griffin Records Label since they seem to have a quality control problem...some of you Hawks might be disappointed the other way if you got the Pendragon instead... End of returned message From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Thu Feb 22 17:04:00 1996 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:04:00 -0500 Subject: Original Imaginos & the other parts too Message-ID: Chip Hart sez: > I've heard Albert's Imaginos demos very recently (like, in the > last 24 hours) and it's incredible how much was copied directly > to the final product -- even down to the feedback, vocal cues, > and effects. Sure, there are some differences - especially > with the non-BOC singers - but not many. John, care to agree > ot disagree with me? > > But, yer quite right, parts 2 & 3 of Imaginos would be > incredible. So who sang what on what song? Did Albert, Joey Cerisano and Jon Rogers do all the vocals? And I STILL say it sounds to me like Deb on the "weird" part of "In the presence of another world", although nobody has ever successfully been able to answer that for me. As for Parts II and III of Imaginos, It WOULD sound great provided the older songs were ree-recorded to give all of them the same overall tone as Imaginos. If they were just plopped next to each other it would sound like a greatest hits compilation, and NOT something that is meant to be taken as a whole. Although for the life of me, I JUST CANNOT hear R.U. Ready 2 Rock as part of the Imaginos saga. Well MAYBE the "I only live to be born again" part, but not the rest of it. Torgo has left the building... robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Feb 22 16:20:10 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:20:10 +0100 Subject: HW new collectable Message-ID: > since there seems to be some interest in Hawkwind on this group I > though I'd pass along a warning/information tidbit. I picked up a > Pendragon (neo-prog in the vein of marillion - but hey - it was > a good price!) CD titled _The World_ today from Best Buys. When > I got the CD case open I was surprised to see a CD imprinted with > the Hawkwind _Warrior on the Edge of Time_ image. Well, actually I > thought this might be cool - I could get a free preview of the > hawkwind disc prior to returning it for my money back. I was (somewhat) > disappointed when the music actually turned out to be Pendragon. > Not that it is a bad CD, but I though I might get a sneak peek (I > would have returned it had it actually been hawkwind, because all the > liner notes are for the Pendragon disc - i would have had no idea > what even the songe titles were suposed to be!) and maybe even trade > for the Hawkind if it turned out good! as it stands i'll likely keep > the Pendragon rather than return it. > > anyways - watch out for the Griffin Records Label since they seem > to have a quality control problem...some of you Hawks might be > disappointed the other way if you got the Pendragon instead... do remember me a bit about the Pendragon CD covered in the Warrior case... \\joe From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Feb 22 16:20:35 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:20:35 -0500 Subject: HW new collectable In-Reply-To: <960222155130.2141ae34@pa.msu.edu> from "John McIntyre" at Feb 22, 96 03:51:30 pm Message-ID: John McIntyre writes: > > forwarded without permission from the Ozric Tentacles list as I thought > a few of you might be interested in the described collector's item (-8 > ************************************************************ [ about the Pendragon CD printed with WotEoT image ] > anyways - watch out for the Griffin Records Label since they seem > to have a quality control problem...some of you Hawks might be > disappointed the other way if you got the Pendragon instead... I remember hearing about this slip-up, though I didn't realise that those misprints were still running around. You, and any other BOC-Lers over on the Ozrics list, might want to speak up on Griffin's behalf, though - aside from that one slip, I haven't ever seen anything that Griffin could be faulted for, and the quality of their CDs (including packaging, as well as more obvious stuff like sound quality) is excellent. And maybe more importantly, depending on how you judge such things, they seem to have treated the Hawks well at a business level. Steve From chip at PCC.COM Thu Feb 22 16:21:51 1996 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:21:51 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: Power in the hands of fools... In-Reply-To: <16E60866F28@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Feb 22, 96 03:06:10 pm Message-ID: > I believe that the working title for Secret Treaties was 'Power in > the hands of fools,' or 'The Big Hurt.' Anyone familiar with these > legends? Yeah, the latter plays first base for the Chicago White Sox and is the best *hitter* since, perhaps, Ted Williams. The former? I think he just won the NH primary. :-) -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Feb 22 16:40:18 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:40:18 -0500 Subject: Original Imaginos & the other parts too In-Reply-To: <8BB4400.0001000B5F.uuout@nor.mkl.com> from "ROBERT SEDLER" at Feb 22, 96 05:04:00 pm Message-ID: ROBERT SEDLER writes: > > So who sang what on what song? Did Albert, Joey Cerisano and Jon Rogers do > all the vocals? Al sang all the leads. Funny you should mention Jon Rogers - he was a BOC member, not an Imaginos Band member. And his track on the finished Imaginos album is the one vocal that I can definitively state is a big step down in quality from Al's. Now Joey Cerisano... *there's* a guy who really took a track and made it his own. Eric and Buck mostly sang the vocals with the same intonation and pacing that Al used. Joey Cerisano did it his way, in spades. :-) > Although for the life of me, I JUST CANNOT hear R.U. Ready 2 Rock as part > of the Imaginos saga. Well MAYBE the "I only live to be born again" part, > but not the rest of it. I was wondering about that same thing. Al? Why that one? Frankly, that one always stuck me as being the most pseudo rock-anthemic (anemic?) of all your songs. Of course, most of the blame for this lies with the lyrics... Steve From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Thu Feb 22 16:56:49 1996 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:56:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: Satriani Message-ID: At 18.29 1996-02-22 +0000, you wrote: > >What ?? :-0 You can hardly lump Joe in with the truckload of widdly widdly >merchants like Malmsteen, Tafolla, Chastain etc who mainly have sunk without >trace. I reckon Satriani's work is considerably broader than most of theirs, >and displays a degree more thought/emotion/depth than a guitarist with his >eye on the speedo :) > >'Always with Me, Always with You' Go take a listen, and see if your >opinion doesn't change. It is IMHO, one of _the_ definitive guitar >instrumentals ever put down on record. > >Tim Fully agree!! Great guitarist and Musician. (But I still feel that no one makes more beatiful solos than Mr Roeser) Check out my obscure signature! :) E7D9G8B5G8D9E7D9G8B5G8D9E0D6G6B4G6D6E2D4G4B2(x3):E4D4G4B2G4D4E0D6G6B4G6D6 E2G4D4B2D4G4E2G4D3B2D3G4 ---DAN LINDFORS E7A9D11G7D11A9E7A9D11G7D11A9E0A2D4G0D4A2E2A4G2D4G2A4(x3):E3A5D7G4D7A5 E0A2D4G0D4A2E2A4D2G4E2A4D2G3D2A4... lindfors at algonet.se From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 22 04:38:31 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:38:31 GMT Subject: writing credits Message-ID: In your message dated Wednesday 21, February 1996 you wrote : > > This varies from band to band. Take the Doors. All their early > > material was credited as being written by the whole band, while > > obviously Morrison was the key talent there. > > Not necessarily true. "Light My Fire" was Krieger, words and music, > except the keyboard intro which was written by, uh, the keyboard player, > whatever his name was (M-something). > > Cheers, > Carl Nevertheless, It wasn't *quite* the same song sung by anyone else, was it? How about Shirley Bassey's version? - Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ 25 years of social reform, ain't gonna make me change or make me conform. From lansford at VNET.NET Thu Feb 22 17:49:06 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:49:06 GMT Subject: writing credits In-Reply-To: <199602212029.PAA22865@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Stephen Swann wrote: >Now, that I wouldn't know. I was just referring to what I thought was >a pretty well known fact around here on BOC-L, namely that Sandy did >the lyrics, and the other guys did the music. Based on Deb's and Al's past comments, Meltzer's lyrics were much more "finished" than Pearlman's, and it wasn't uncommon for Albert to clean up SP's words while putting them to music. Didn't Deb say something about still having the original of Astronomy with Albert's comments scribbled in the margins? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Political campaigns have about them the same excitement as a prizefight. Campaigns, however, are not nearly as orderly as professional boxing matches. - Ansolabehere and Iyengar -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Feb 22 17:45:57 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:45:57 EST Subject: BOC: Re: Power in the hands of fools... Message-ID: > Yeah, the latter plays first base for the Chicago White Sox and > is the best *hitter* since, perhaps, Ted Williams. The former? > I think he just won the NH primary. > > :-) > > -- > Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com > People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip > 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 > Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 Thomas isn't fit to rub pine tar on Ted's bat, and you know it! From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Fri Feb 23 10:32:00 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:32:00 EST Subject: Subject/Title In-Reply-To: ; from "M.R.VARLEY" at Feb 22, 96 03:13:17 pm Message-ID: > > I joined the list quite recently (5 or 6 weeks ago or so) and don't > recall receiving these instructions. I've only posted a couple of > times, but, like Jeremy, have received many irrelevant mails. My > approach is to note the people who consistently mail rubbish > (mentioning no names here!!) and use their name to filter them out. I > guess I may miss 1 or 2 interesting points this way but there you go! > I think we all should start to use the subject titles more,I had 70 messages waiting for me yesterday and only 4 were relevant,so I will endeavor to use the subject line when I mail. > Not all of us are too bothered what colour socks Dave Brock wore at > Hammersmith in 1976!! > Wot,he didn't wear any that year did he ? ;-) > Cheers! > > Martin > regards Marty From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Fri Feb 23 10:46:22 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:46:22 EST Subject: HW: Silver Machine In-Reply-To: <312cf0bd.324331026@email2.vnet.net>; from "Jean Lansford" at Feb 22, 96 10:49:06 pm Message-ID: I remember that when Alien was due to be released ,there was also supposed to be a Utah Saints remix of Silver Machine. Does anyone know what happened to this ? Did they record it but "good" old Douglas threw a spanner in the works ? regards Marty ob cd:Dreadzone - "2nd Chapter" From 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM Thu Feb 22 19:09:47 1996 From: 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:09:47 EST Subject: writing credits Message-ID: >In your message dated Wednesday 21, February 1996 you wrote : >> > This varies from band to band. Take the Doors. All their early >> > material was credited as being written by the whole band, while >> > obviously Morrison was the key talent there. >> >> Not necessarily true. "Light My Fire" was Krieger, words and music, >> except the keyboard intro which was written by, uh, the keyboard player, >> whatever his name was (M-something). >> >> Cheers, >> Carl > >Nevertheless, It wasn't *quite* the same song sung by anyone else, was it? >How about Shirley Bassey's version? You're right, of course, but you seem to forget that what we are discussing here, in this thread, is "writing credits"... not charisma or voice, or anything else for that matter ! :-) And while I'm here, I'll give my insights on the subject. I quite agree with those of you who say that it depends on the bands. However, technically, I have noticed that "songwriting credits" usually come into two formats. First, there's the xxxxx / xxxxxx / xxxxx version, where you have no idea who did what exactly - the format used by BOC. Then you have the xxxxxx & xxxxxx / xxxxxxx or xxxxxxxxx / xxxxxxxx & xxxxxxxxx format, where the slash now actually separates the lyrics writer(s) from the musci writer(s). Now which side of the slash wrote what is anyone's guess ! Interesting thread, anyway... Alex. From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Feb 22 19:16:36 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:16:36 EST Subject: OFF:=OTHER Message-ID: >I honestly thought the filter was OFF: > >sorry! > >jill You know, I thought the filter was "OFF:" also. Why don't we make it be "OFF:" ? It is shorter than "OTHER:", and seems to already be a de facto standard on this list. Whaddaya think, Ben? Is this an easy (and reasonable) thang to do? Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Feb 22 19:25:02 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:25:02 EST Subject: OFF: Satriani Message-ID: I am a huge "Satch" fan. If anybody wants to discuss him/his works off-line, feel free to E-me. Any tape traders also contact me. Satriani is a world-famous master, and a *teacher* of world-famous masters of the guitar. Not everybody's cup of hemlock, but he floats my boat for his skill at representing emotions within the framework of a 5 minute guitar-based instrumental. My favs from his list: "The Extremist" - great rocking, great emotions "Surfing With the Alien" - this one made Satch famous "Flying in a Blue Dream" - uneven, but high points are incredible Bummers: "Joe Satriani" - his latest is a poor representation of Joe IMHO (Sorry, I'll take this back off-line again. I just couldn't stand hearing Joe get knocked, and I didn't speak up the last time Joe came up in discussion .) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Feb 22 19:27:05 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:27:05 EST Subject: NIK: Past or Future? Message-ID: >Nik Turner: Past or Future? Has this release showed up in the regular channels yet? I'm curious where you picked this up at. None of the mail order places I usually deal with have got it yet, and local stores won't have it for months (if ever). Perhaps I'll call Delta Wave tonight... Captain Cloud From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Thu Feb 22 19:47:55 1996 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:47:55 -0800 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? In-Reply-To: <9602221927.A13631@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Feb 22, 96 07:27:05 pm Message-ID: > >Nik Turner: Past or Future? > Has this release showed up in the regular channels yet? I'm > curious where you picked this up at. None of the mail order places > I usually deal with have got it yet, and local stores won't have it > for months (if ever). I just picked it up at Tower in Beaverton today at lunch time, and they had several in stock. Don't know how it is, since I'll keep it seal wrapped till I get it home dry (five mile walk in rain does wonders to CD booklets). The cover is kinda neat, cheesy sci-fi trippy thing, like a few other current Cleopatra ones that have the two pictures in one. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome "Experience is something you don't get until after you need it." -Olivier From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Fri Feb 23 12:06:57 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:06:57 EST Subject: OTHER: re:- writing credits In-Reply-To: <960223000946_101612.172_JHP31-1@CompuServe.COM>; from "Alex S. Garcia" at Feb 22, 96 07:09:47 pm Message-ID: > > And while I'm here, I'll give my insights on the subject. I quite agree with > those of you who say that it depends on the bands. However, technically, > I have noticed that "songwriting credits" usually come into two formats. > First, there's the xxxxx / xxxxxx / xxxxx version, where you have no idea who > did what exactly - the format used by BOC. Then you have the > xxxxxx & xxxxxx / xxxxxxx or xxxxxxxxx / xxxxxxxx & xxxxxxxxx format, where > the slash now actually separates the lyrics writer(s) from the musci > writer(s). Now which side of the slash wrote what is anyone's guess ! > > Interesting thread, anyway... > > Alex. > I've often wondered about some of the HW writing credits,with Brock/Calvert especially on QS&C.But there again Mr Brock does tend to mess about with them re: The Buisiness Trip. regards Marty From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Fri Feb 23 13:52:58 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:52:58 EST Subject: OTHER: Monster Magnet In-Reply-To: <9602230106.AA14976@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au>; from "Martyn Lawrence" at Feb 23, 96 12:06:57 pm Message-ID: Hi Monster Magnet are playing here in Melbourne Australia,they are also due to play instore at a local record shop. Visiting there today I noticed the Single cd "Dead Christmas" and believe that this is supposed to rare , but is it. If anyone wants me to get a copy of this let me know directly, I think it was $AUS 10. regards Marty From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu Feb 22 22:30:09 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:30:09 -0800 Subject: Sun Machine in Cleveland Message-ID: >see you all at the Gong show at the Odeon, ok??? BTW, are tickets on sale yet, >and are they available through Ticketbastard?? > >Keith H. I haven't seen any ads on it at all. Scary. Wylie From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Fri Feb 23 00:35:37 1996 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Brand) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:35:37 -0500 Subject: BOC: Anyone going to Dayton/Columbus? In-Reply-To: <9602221916.A13629@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: Hello all... Is there anyone in the Indianapolis/Bloomington/Cincinnati area who's going to the BOC show in Dayton March 2nd (or is it the 3rd?) or Columbus and might be interested in carpooling? RSVP, Brand ------------------------------- The Universe is a cellular automata system. visit The Courts of Chaos: | Its cell size is 10^33 cells per metre http://nickel.ucs.indiana.edu/ | Its frame rate is 10^43 FPS. ~khiller/home.html | And we're stuck inside it. -Jeff Lewis From RobM376 at AOL.COM Fri Feb 23 02:22:50 1996 From: RobM376 at AOL.COM (Robert Miller) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 02:22:50 -0500 Subject: BOC: Anyone going to Dayt... Message-ID: I want to see BOC in pensacola,fla From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Fri Feb 23 02:44:29 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 02:44:29 -0500 Subject: Imaginos - The Bedtime Story... Message-ID: Carl: >>For God's sake, let us sit upon the floor and tell bedtime >>stories to the children of the damned .... >Just for the record, the "bedtime stories for the children of >the damned" is a ref to the Stephen King intro to the Imaginos "Astronomy" >single ... >Cheers, >Carl And shame on me for not recognizing it... I've just returned to the Blue Oyster, after many years away, and I've only just begun to remember. Go easy on me fellows, there's "warpage in the figures..." The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Feb 23 03:18:39 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 03:18:39 -0500 Subject: HW: it never rains but it pours Message-ID: On 22-FEB-1996 13:50:58.8 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >by listserv.spc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA03076 for >; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:36:25 -0500 >Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6] (ident = root) >by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.0 #36) >id m0tpfrn-000C0UC; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:35 +0000 (GMT) >Received: by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.29.0 #77) id >m0tpfrk-000DJLC; Thu, >22 Feb 1996 18:35 +0000 (GMT) >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:35:43 +0000 >From: "Carl E. Anderson" >Subject: HW: it never rains but it pours >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Message-id: >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] >Content-type: text >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >Gee, does anyone remember the days when BOC-only fans were >complaining they were going to leave the list because there wasn't >enough BOC discussion? ;) :) >Well, it's good to see there's plenty of _that_ going around >these days. Still, anyone know what HW are up to? Last news we heard >was about the remastering of the UA stuff and Doug Smith trying to >stiff Griffin. >Anyone know if these guys are recording, planning a tour, >quietly smoking themselves in oblivion, or what? >Cheers, >Carl Yeah, good time to bring some HW stuff to the table. I'm a BOC fan, but I don't even like Imaginos too much! (Though w/all the talk, I figure I'll give it another spin sometime soon.) I recently got Space Ritual Vol. 2 from a guy on the Net (Byron Towle - he is honest, he just didn't assume the same of me - waited till the money arrived before he sent the CD). All these performances are completely different from SRI. I'd swear that I was told that SRII had the complete versions of "Time We Left" and "Brainstorm" from SRI and also some encores such as "Silver Machine" and "Do That". Not that I'm disappointed, though - this version of Time is unreal! Sweet blanga, take me away!! I think this version of "Orgone" is a little better than SRI, too. But I was disappointed that this version of "Space" is not DEEP, but rather Electronic #1 (or #2??). What's with that? Also, I thought Dave Anderson never again had anything to do w/HW after he left in '71 or so, but he's listed in the credits as one of the compilers. Any comments? Chuck `[1;31;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Feb 23 14:36:23 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:36:23 +0000 Subject: HW: A good Kollector's week! Message-ID: Hi All! It's been a great week for me with 'new' stuff: HW _Chaos_ video HW _MOTU_ (original) *mint* copy Angels of Death Band Tapes Monster Magnet _SuperJudge_ (and only a week to the gig ;^) HW _SR_ foldout on the way ;^) Anubian Lights, Turner _Sphynx_, & Spiral Realms CD's on the way Yay for me (and thanks to all who help participate with this weeks Kollecting!) Sonique' ObDamnPC's: If anyone has tried mailing to my business address lately ... the HD on our internet server crashed on Tuesday, but it went back on line today .... I'll reply to any mail on Monday -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Fri Feb 23 04:35:53 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:35:53 GMT Subject: OFF: Satriani Message-ID: Hi all, > See Satriani's name come up in connection with Imaginos, > obviously, but didn't know he had anything to do with Deep Purple. I know > almost nothing of the band, so I'll just ask, was he playing in `Smoke on > the Water'? Or was this before/after his time? He filled in half way through a tour last year. I think it was Japan but am always willing to be wrong. He learnt the set from a mixing desk tape, although many of the old numbers he'd known since he was a kid. The band then began to introduce more of their older material apparently. > As for the man, well, I'm with Theo: good, but he ain't Buck. I'm not personally a big fan of BOC. I've got a few albums but if my house burnt down they would not be ones I'd replace, so you might want to take this with a pinch of salt ... Buck sounds to me pretty typical of mainstream American heavy rock guitarists of the 70's. Technically competent, blues influenced and excellent in context. However at that time the rock guitar field was starting to expand with a range of influences (jazz, country, classical) and from Britain a more aggressive approach (the early NWOBHM bands). When I got into rock in the late 70's we would argue about whether Blackmore or Schenker was better and the only Americans we would listen to were Van Halen and Nugent. Now I see things, slightly, differently. I'm a guitarist, I love Vai and Satriani for their emotional, technical and compositional skills, but I can appreciate how someone like Buck fits into his band. Unfortunately that might just be BOCs problem, they've entered the comfort zone. They're comfortable with their lifestyles, the music, the show. Maybe what they need is a couple of hungry younger band members who'll bring new ideas, new songs and new influences to them. Certainly an approach that has worked for the Allman Brothers Band, and of course for Hawkwind. and Captain Cloud said: > Bummers: > "Joe Satriani" - his latest is a poor representation of Joe IMHO or his best work yet IMO :-) Very bluesy, strong melodies, great compositions and some ultra ultra fast moments. Towering. Chris From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Feb 23 05:05:23 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:05:23 +0100 Subject: HW: SR II (Was: it never rains but it pours) Message-ID: >I recently got Space Ritual Vol. 2 from a guy on the Net (Byron Towle - he >is honest, he just didn't assume the same of me - waited till the money >arrived before he sent the CD). > >All these performances are completely different from SRI. I'd swear that I >was told that SRII had the complete versions of "Time We Left" and >"Brainstorm" from SRI and also some encores such as "Silver Machine" and "Do I guess you've mixed the SRII info with someone's recent wishes that EMI would/should do a "complete" Space Ritual Remaster with the extended SR II versions of "TWL" and "Brainstorm" and the _Roadhawks_ encore from the same gig. I'm not sure the Hawks played "Silver Machine" at all those both gigs? - December 22 and 30 -72 - there's no recorded (CD or vinyl) version existing anyway. >That". Not that I'm disappointed, though - this version of Time is unreal! >Sweet blanga, take me away!! I think this version of "Orgone" is a little >better than SRI, too. But I was disappointed that this version of "Space" is >not DEEP, but rather Electronic #1 (or #2??). What's with that? Lemmy is incredible on "TWL" - BLANGA is an understatement ;0) "Orgone..." is the same recording, but better mixed. ...and why does the Hawks change their track titles all the time??? (but agree the Codex wouldn't been the same if all tracks had kept their titles through the years...) >Also, I thought Dave Anderson never again had anything to do w/HW after he >left in '71 or so, but he's listed in the credits as one of the compilers. >Any comments? :0) Mr Anderson is somewhat involved in the rich flora of hw compilations and semi boots, ie. _SRII_ and the _Early Daze_: "This Collection of tracks represents some of the best songs from the embryonic first two years of Hawkwind's life. The quality is sometimes raw but the excitement of those early days can still be heard. PLAY IT LOUD!!" Dave Anderson - november 1987 (copywright violation??) >Chuck \\joe From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Feb 23 05:27:13 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:27:13 +0000 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: <960222144404_150815149@mail06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: > and minor changes. However, TO ME, Alberts version is significantly > different in both feel and texture. Not good different, not bad different, > just...different. Well, IMO I do think that the vocals that Buck and Eric contributed did improve the album. In fact, some of the vocals they contributed really are excellent which I find surprising if this was an album that they had no real commitment to. I presume only Sandy pearlman could have coaxed such performances out of them which makes me wonder just how he sold the project to them. As I've said before, though, apart from Albert's vocals on the album he also produced really great performances on the tracks that didn't make the album (The Girl that Love Made Blind & Gil Blanco County). I agree with those who say that they feel some sadness when listening to Imaginos. However, I don't know if Imaginos would have been any better as a full BOC album, it might actually not have been as good. After all, it is such a great album it's hard to see how it could be better. Maybe the contribution of a variety of artists overseen by Albert and Sandy's vision was the only way to do full justice to Imaginos: If this had been a band project then it's easy to imagine that the whole thing would have been diluted because Albert & Sandy would have inevitably had to relinquish some control as other band members attempted to impose their own ideas. Dave From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Feb 23 06:04:38 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:04:38 +0000 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:37:57 EST." <199602221837.NAA26850@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > >perhaps Eric is content with his lot, but I > kinda hoped for more from Buck & Allen > > Why? Because Buck/Allen may have more musical talent than Eric? Don't > confuse musical talent with intelligence/decency/integrity/personality/etc. No, I'm not. But I stand by my original comment. It appears Buck & Allen had more of a creative and inspirational drive than Eric. Which is why the thought of them squandering away any artistic pursuit whilst retreading the same old songs seems all the more tragic. Moreso if the inspiration has evaporated completely. > asinine questions and maybe just bluntly ask them quite what the fuck they > think their masterplan is these days. > > Good idea, but probably futile. Have you every been part of those "chats"? > If not, check out ROBODUDE's web site and look at a few logs. It should > become quickly apparent that: I know. I skimmed quickly through the last log, hence my comments about stupid questions etc. > 3. Finally, if you look at old logs at what the band says that they're > gonna do, then see the results, I think it may be obvious that they have > no masterplan, and nothing seems to get done when they say it will be. ... > > played live. I think that they're just plodding along, perhaps trying > to get a new disc out, but without any real masterplan. Yes, actually I was being a tad sarcastic about the 'masterplan'. Its clear there isn't one. If that's the case then maybe they should just pack it in completely. I'm just saying this apparent whoring of the band to the nostalgia circuit should be unpalatable to any member of the band who still considers they have artistic worth. Tim From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Feb 23 06:55:52 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 06:55:52 -0500 Subject: HW Cd's Message-ID: Hello all Hawkfriends, I have a question that maybe someone here can answer about a couple HW cd's I ran across the other day. I need to know if these cd's are "rare" and if the prices are reasonable. 1. Ridicule $18.00 ( new ) 2. Lords of Light $13.99 ( new ) Thanks in advance for any info. Your Hawkfriend, Duane -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Fri Feb 23 08:28:40 1996 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:28:40 GMT Subject: HAWKZONE N0 9 Message-ID: HAWKZONE Number 9 is just out: 22 pages with member news;a Tim Blake interview (from last summer); HW disco; HW saga (HW decoded); HW galaxy (records) etc... Alas...only available in french Price is: 2 US dollars to send to: HAWKZONE c/o JohnMac Elhone - 50 avenue Edouard Vaillant - 93500 - Pantin - France. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 23 08:05:15 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:05:15 EST Subject: $$$$$ Message-ID: > no real commitment to. I presume only Sandy pearlman could have coaxed > such performances out of them which makes me wonder just how he sold the > project to them. As I've said before, though, apart from Albert's vocals Well, I expect after two bombers like RBN and CN [their bright moments notwithstanding] it probably didn't take much arm twisting to get the rest involved. Even if Buck and Eric were addicted to commerciality, they have enough musician's acumen to recognize a great album. Hell, they must've liked it, seeing how they tried to steal it from AL! And, considering the commercial failure of those two, they likely were desperate to try something that might generate some income. 'Imaginos' came as the band had slid into mediocrity and had ceased playing stadiums in favor of clubs. Who knows what kind of culture shock was operating within BOC, but it couldn't have been pretty. theo > From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Feb 23 08:17:20 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:17:20 -0500 Subject: Original Imaginos & the other parts too Message-ID: >> Although for the life of me, I JUST CANNOT hear R.U. Ready 2 Rock as part >> of the Imaginos saga. Well MAYBE the "I only live to be born again" part, >> but not the rest of it. > >I was wondering about that same thing. Al? Why that one? Frankly, >that one always stuck me as being the most pseudo rock-anthemic >(anemic?) of all your songs. Of course, most of the blame for >this lies with the lyrics... Perhaps the Imaginos character went through a phase as a musician writing "pseudo rock-anthems"? +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 23 08:11:53 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:11:53 EST Subject: mining the same metal vein Message-ID: > > Why? Because Buck/Allen may have more musical talent than Eric? Don't > > confuse musical talent with intelligence/decency/integrity/personality/etc. > > No, I'm not. But I stand by my original comment. It appears Buck & Allen had > more of a creative and inspirational drive than Eric. Which is why the thought > of them squandering away any artistic pursuit whilst retreading the same old > songs seems all the more tragic. Moreso if the inspiration has evaporated > completely. > I've thought that maybe Buck et al are just convinced that their fortunes lay in more conventional material, the stuff that brought them a modicum of commercial success, c.f. 'Burnin' and 'Reaper.' They may believe that the few radio listeners who supported them briefly are going to keep them afloat. But isn't it clear [at least as viewed by the members of BOC-L] that BOC's best material is the macabre stuff, and that's what attracted the true die-hard fans who've stayed the course? And of course, that's the Albert material, and he's gone. Although I like the 'new' stuff okay, it pales in comparison to 'Imaginos.' theo > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 23 08:43:49 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:43:49 -0500 Subject: Original Imaginos & the other parts too Message-ID: Torgo says: >As for Parts II and III of Imaginos, It WOULD sound great provided the older songs were ree-recorded to give all of them the same overall tone as Imaginos. If they were just plopped next to each other it would sound like a greatest hits compilation, and NOT something that is meant to be taken as a whole. Absolutely. Maybe tie the songs together with various sound bits, like they did on Tyranny and Secret Treaties (bring back that little music box!). >Although for the life of me, I JUST CANNOT hear R.U. Ready 2 Rock as part of the Imaginos saga. Well MAYBE the "I only live to be born again" part, but not the rest of it I don't know. Lines like "C'mon C'mon, everybody is praying" and "the stations of night" and "there's a new day breaking" could fit it -- to me it seems like it would be at a point in time where Les Invisibles have basically brainwashed mankind into following them, or their agent Imaginos. I mean, I don't know how the whole story was supposed to play out, by I sort of always had the picture that by the time the story was over (or almost over), the people of this world had basically become slaves to Les Invisibles, fallen under their spell. RU Ready 2 Rock sort of seems like a call from either Les Invisibles or people who have already been won over by them to the rest of the people of earth - maybe even using rock and roll music as a tool to entice people - to follow/serve them. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 23 09:00:54 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:00:54 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: Tim says: >If that's the case then maybe they should just pack it in completely. I'm just saying this apparent whoring of the band to the nostalgia circuit should be unpalatable to any member of the band who still considers they have artistic worth. Well, I disagree here. If they're happy doing what they're doing, and they've got a few fans that want to show up and listen to the nostalgia bit (and I'll admit I'm one of them), then let them go for as long as they can. Just don't expect anything from them. If a new album happens, great, but if not, enjoy them for what they are, or don't listen. We have the choice to listen or not, but if they want to keep doing what they're doing, then that's cool. I mean, how many people go to see the Beach Boys to hear new music? John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 23 09:04:43 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:04:43 -0500 Subject: $$$$$ Message-ID: > no real commitment to. I presume only Sandy pearlman could have coaxed > such performances out of them which makes me wonder just how he sold the > project to them. As I've said before, though, apart from Albert's vocals Well, I expect after two bombers like RBN and CN [their bright moments notwithstanding] it probably didn't take much arm twisting to get the rest involved. Oh, one other tidbit for you to consider -- according to an interview with Albert in Kerrang after Imaginos came out, Albert mentioned that around '85 or '86 I believe, Sandy called HIM and told him that BOC wanted to do Imaginos. In other words, yeah the band realized that perhaps their creative well was drying up, and they needed to get some of what they had when Albert was in the band back. John From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Feb 23 09:06:39 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:06:39 -0500 Subject: writing credits In-Reply-To: <312cf0bd.324331026@email2.vnet.net> from "Jean Lansford" at Feb 22, 96 10:49:06 pm Message-ID: Jean Lansford writes: > > On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Stephen Swann wrote: > > >Now, that I wouldn't know. I was just referring to what I thought was > >a pretty well known fact around here on BOC-L, namely that Sandy did > >the lyrics, and the other guys did the music. > > Based on Deb's and Al's past comments, Meltzer's lyrics were much more > "finished" than Pearlman's, and it wasn't uncommon for Albert to clean > up SP's words while putting them to music. Yes, that's true, but the point to be made here was that Pearlman/ Meltzer et al received lyrics credits, not music credits. Steve From chip at PCC.COM Fri Feb 23 09:06:50 1996 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:06:50 -0500 Subject: Original Imaginos & the other parts too In-Reply-To: <8BB4400.0001000B5F.uuout@nor.mkl.com> from "ROBERT SEDLER" at Feb 22, 96 05:04:00 pm Message-ID: > So who sang what on what song [on the Imaginos "demos"]? Did Albert, > Joey Cerisano and Jon Rogers do > all the vocals? All Albert. Some songs were clearly improved with the additional vocals (the Buck/Al duet on "Blue Oyster Cult" is perhaps my favorite part of the album), but it's clear where 95% of the direction came from. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 23 09:09:32 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:09:32 -0500 Subject: BOC: Joey Cerisano Message-ID: O.K., I'll try and start using headers as well, and break off from the "reply to the Imaginos credit thread". Steve writes: >Now Joey Cerisano... *there's* a guy who really took a track and made it his own. Eric and Buck mostly sang the vocals with the same intonation and pacing that Al used. Joey Cerisano did it his way, in spades. :-) Oh yeah. When I first heard Imaginos, and hadn't seen the credits, I was scratching my head trying to figure out who sang the "Frankenstein" vocals - I thought it must have been either Al or Joe (Bouchard that is, not Cerisano). So, who *is* Joey Cerisano? Has he done work with other bands? He certainly seems to have a great "heavy metal" voice, but I'm not familiar with any of his other work (if there is any). Or maybe I'm just clueless here. John From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Feb 23 09:02:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:02:00 EST Subject: HW: CD Questions Message-ID: >I have a question that maybe someone here can answer about a couple HW >cd's I ran across the other day. >I need to know if these cd's are "rare" and if the prices are reasonable. >1. Ridicule $18.00 ( new ) >2. Lords of Light $13.99 ( new ) Hi Duane, Ridicule is a clipped version of Space Rituals 2, so on that basis, why get it at any price, much less the high one you quote. Lords is a compilation disk from other sources, including a song from Ridicule. Depending on your views, you're probably better off with the original albums and get more material. You might want to check the Codex and Discography for more details. Mike and Jill put a lot of effort into these items and they are very useful for us lower level collectors groping in the HW murk. Rudy Did you get Reading Live'86 yet? You won't regret that buy. From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Fri Feb 23 09:15:13 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:15:13 -0600 Subject: 1st BOC BBQ In-Reply-To: <9602221529.AA19856@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Martyn White wrote: > >Some people have (or had) the Greatful Dead. Jean & I have BOC!!! > > thanks.... Manuel > > So what are dead-heads doing now that JG is gone? > > Martyn > my friends at home are in sorry shape- went home to see them two weeks ago somehow the grateful dead ended up in every conversation it was real sad because they are all so focused on that that they can't see that there is a lot of cool stuff going on around them i had just been shopping so i tried to turn them on to some stuff. i put in sundials -return journey; somehow everone left the room except one other person - oh well... there are plans for this deadapalooza deal where some of members solo bands will play and also feature other less known head bands on other stages -if it comes close i'll probably check it out - i like mickey harts solo stuff and he has a new band. -Mike psyche From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 23 09:35:08 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:35:08 +0000 Subject: mining the same metal vein In-Reply-To: <17F78E86FCA@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Feb 23, 96 08:11:53 am Message-ID: > I've thought that maybe Buck et al are just convinced that their > fortunes lay in more conventional material, the stuff that brought > them a modicum of commercial success, c.f. 'Burnin' and 'Reaper.' > They may believe that the few radio listeners who supported them > briefly are going to keep them afloat. They've opened up this musical vein too many times, and it seems like the poison may well be in their hearts and in their minds ... They were after rebellion, but they'll settle for retread ... > But isn't it clear [at least > as viewed by the members of BOC-L] that BOC's best material is the > macabre stuff, and that's what attracted the true die-hard fans > who've stayed the course? And of course, that's the Albert material, > and he's gone. Although I like the 'new' stuff okay, it pales in > comparison to 'Imaginos.' Very true, though I think a lot of the internet BOC fans that live off this list are more of the "BOC can do no ill" variety. Still, who wants to go to a lot of trouble hunting down a small, evasive band to hear cheezy pop songs (which Buck leans _dangerously_ close to on certain occasions). Remember all those rumors which drifted through a year or so back about Buck saying he was having trouble coming up with songs that were sufficiently "BOC-like"? No mistake, Buck has come up with some great BOC songs. But maybe he needs to study the back catalogue some. Even if you didn't like the Bad Channels lyrics, the music wasn't too bad at all--love those mind-pummelling power chords on "Horsemen"! :) Damn, if they can't come up with any better lyrics, just pick some nice images out of Lovecraft, string 'em together, and you've got a fair impression of a Pearlman lyric ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 23 09:05:33 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:05:33 +0000 Subject: HW: Silver Machine In-Reply-To: <9602222346.AA14785@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> from "Martyn Lawrence" at Feb 23, 96 10:46:22 am Message-ID: > I remember that when Alien was due to be released ,there was also > supposed to be a Utah Saints remix of Silver Machine. > Does anyone know what happened to this ? Did they record it but > "good" old Douglas threw a spanner in the works ? Wouldn't surprise me--he canned the Orb's "Silver Machine", after all. When DS bites it (can this happen soon enough?) maybe a lot of cool stuff will get released ... Cheers, Carl From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Fri Feb 23 09:48:12 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:48:12 EST Subject: BOC: Imaginos Message-ID: ----- Begin Included Message ----- If they're happy doing what they're doing, and they've got a few fans that want to show up and listen to the nostalgia bit (and I'll admit I'm one of them), then let them go for as long as they can. Just don't expect anything from them. If a new album happens, great, but if not, enjoy them for what they are, or don't listen. We ----- End Included Message ----- I agree with that. I also think it's no picnic to do what they're doing. The underlying motive of which must be to sell more records. It can't be for the gratification of playing to small audiences on the dumpy bar circuit. They seem to be doing the hard part in promoting B(5OC), Imanignos too however in- directly, by touring. Maybe they (30C) deserve some (more) credit for that. They seem to be taking it on the chin, the side of promoting the band and album sales may deserve as much credit as actually making a record. RR From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 23 08:52:40 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:52:40 +0000 Subject: Imaginos - The Bedtime Story... In-Reply-To: <960223024428_151404010@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "Douglas A. Mitchell" at Feb 23, 96 02:44:29 am Message-ID: > >>For God's sake, let us sit upon the floor and tell bedtime > >>stories to the children of the damned .... > >Just for the record, the "bedtime stories for the children of > >the damned" is a ref to the Stephen King intro to the Imaginos "Astronomy" > >single ... > > And shame on me for not recognizing it... Well, it's not exactly the most _frequently_ heard segment of a BOC recording ... Cheers, Carl From RHamel4129 at AOL.COM Fri Feb 23 10:06:22 1996 From: RHamel4129 at AOL.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:06:22 -0500 Subject: BOC: Joey Cerisano Message-ID: Hello, When I first heard the tune, I thought that the vocal was a guest appearance by Ronny James Dio!!!! Rich From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Feb 23 10:11:56 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:11:56 +0100 Subject: HW: SR II ramblings Message-ID: Hi Chuck You must know that SRII was recorded in Brixton, 30.12.1972 SRI was recorded in LIVERPOOL 22.12.1972 a n d BRIXTON I am sorry that you were informed by someone who doesn't know both records (and HAWKWIND) very well They are not complete different but partly different Good examples are TIME WE LEFT and ORGONE ACCUMULATOR On the SRI is the LiVERPOOL recording On the SRII is the BRIXTON recording (a bit longer (TWL)) >this version of Time is unreal! Why? I can't see too much differences (It is one of my least favorite songs) >(SPACE) What's with that? Shit with that. Printed by people without knowing HAWKWIND (see also the READING 1986 CD) >Also, I thought Dave Anderson never again >had anything to do w/HW after he left in '71 or so, but he's listed in the >credits as one of the compilers. See above.....and......he and Nik Turner were the main persons behing the shit releases like YURI GAGARIN, ACID DAZE, REDICULE, IN THE BEGINNING and many more dirt btw: Dave Anderson played with HAWKWIND a couple of gigs 3 or 4) during the EARTH RITUAL tour spring 1984 and HAWKON, Manchester 10.02.1985 Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 23 09:14:54 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:14:54 +0000 Subject: Original Imaginos & the other parts too In-Reply-To: <199602222140.QAA04410@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Feb 22, 96 04:40:18 pm Message-ID: > > So who sang what on what song? Did Albert, Joey Cerisano and Jon Rogers do > > all the vocals? > > Al sang all the leads. Funny you should mention Jon Rogers - he was a > BOC member, not an Imaginos Band member. And his track on the finished > Imaginos album is the one vocal that I can definitively state is a big > step down in quality from Al's. Jon's vocal is _dire_, but that aside I still have difficulty dealing with the chorus "Ooo, Imaginos! Ooo, Imaginos! Ooo ooo ooooo!" which woul put a stumbler on any vocals ;) I had some vague recollection that Al once said he thought Jon's vocals were _better_ than his, but that could well be Al being self-effacing. I've never heard the originals. Maybe Deb could have handled those "Oooo's" ... turned them into gruesome shrieks or something. That might have ben better. Cheers, Carl From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Fri Feb 23 10:39:35 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:39:35 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: Rocker22 asks:: >So, Albert, what do you think would have happened to Imaginos if BOC hadn't >gotten involved? Pearlman told me in 1985 that Columbia would put out the Imaginos album but he didn't think they would promote it at all. They were complaining that they didn't know how to market it. Also Pearlman said that several people were complaining about my vocals, especially former collegues, and people in the management office as well as some at Columbia. >I won't disagree about the fact that that the BOC version was VERY close to >Alberts version. My understanding is that the budget for Imaginos had been >used up. CBS granted a few extra $'s for BOC to come in and "finish" the >album. There wasn't the budget to do significant changes, just some overdubs I'm told that CBS gave BOC $500,000 to 'finish' Imaginos. That was almost three times what I spent on it. >and minor changes. However, TO ME, Alberts version is significantly >different in both feel and texture. Not good different, not bad different, >just...different. I don't know what version you have heard. I could understand a difference in texture, every mix is different, but feel? As in rhythmic feel? There is not one iota of difference in the rhythm tracks of Imaginos between their version and mine and if you don't believe me ask EB or DR. Al From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Fri Feb 23 10:39:49 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:39:49 -0500 Subject: RUReady? Message-ID: Steve: >I was wondering about that same thing. Al? Why that one? Frankly, >that one always stuck me as being the most pseudo rock-anthemic >(anemic?) of all your songs. Of course, most of the blame for >this lies with the lyrics... Well it would have to be rearranged. I reall hate the feel on that song now. It seems heavy and plodding. I think an Imaginos version would actually be lighter. When I went out with BOC in 1985 I was lobbying for them to change the arrangement. The lyrics are what would make it possible. They relate to Half Life Time, especially the part about "the ruler's son". Have you ever heard that track? Al From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Feb 23 10:38:59 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:38:59 -0500 Subject: HW: it never rains but it pours Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-22 13:38:58 EST, you write: > Anyone know if these guys are recording, planning a tour, >quietly smoking themselves in oblivion, or what? > > The rumor mill is running over time down here. It seems a friend received a post card from Allan Davey which closed with 'see ya in May'. A reference to a US TOUR??? or the Hawkwind Convention? Also there has been some talk regarding Doug Smith hiring a charter flight out of JFK for the Convention. We all know what song will be piped into the cabin while the plane is preparing to depart. What will the pilots opening announcement be?:)) regards, Bill Stewart From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Feb 23 10:44:30 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:44:30 +0000 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:39:35 EST." Message-ID: Al says - > I'm told that CBS gave BOC $500,000 to 'finish' Imaginos. That was almost > three times what I spent on it. Gak! Half a million dollars !!! For the comparative changes made, the boys must have got through a lot of beer & pizza. For that much money I'd want the triple album and no excuses :-) Tim From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 23 10:45:41 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:45:41 EST Subject: Buck hangin' ten Message-ID: > Tim says: > > >If that's the case then maybe they should just pack it in > completely. I'm just saying this apparent whoring of the band to the > nostalgia circuit should be unpalatable to any member of the band who still > considers they have artistic worth. > > Well, I disagree here. If they're happy doing what they're doing, and > they've got a few fans that want to show up and listen to the nostalgia > bit (and I'll admit I'm one of them), then let them go for as long as > they can. Just don't expect anything from them. If a new album happens, > great, but if not, enjoy them for what they are, or don't listen. We > have the choice to listen or not, but if they want to keep doing what > they're doing, then that's cool. > > I mean, how many people go to see the Beach Boys to hear new music? > > John Yeah, but the thought of BOC reduced to that level is pretty chilling. Even more chilling, the Beach Boys play to sold out football stadiums while BOC schleps around gin mills. It's so sad to think that they can't [apparently] come up with enough new material for an album. Sad too, that the 'new' songs have an awfully similar sound to CN material. Or maybe they just refuse to swallow their pride and work independetly on an album, without front money from a major label. Thing is, to do so, you have to take time off the road, and they're 'on tour forever.' Maybe they're unwilling [or unable to afford] to take time away from money-making to work on their own?Yeah, a real step down, but at least if you go the independent route you control the whole deal. Hey, Al does pretty much what the hell he wants. Wonder who's happier? theo From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Feb 23 10:51:32 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:51:32 -0500 Subject: OFF:GONG Message-ID: Some folks here are still of the opinion that Tim Blake will do the NYC shows at the Bottom Line. His name is still appearing in all the adverts. Whats Cookin??? regards, Bill Stewart From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 23 09:43:17 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:43:17 +0000 Subject: writing credits In-Reply-To: <312cf0bd.324331026@email2.vnet.net> from "Jean Lansford" at Feb 22, 96 10:49:06 pm Message-ID: > Based on Deb's and Al's past comments, Meltzer's lyrics were much more > "finished" than Pearlman's, and it wasn't uncommon for Albert to clean > up SP's words while putting them to music. > Didn't Deb say something about still having the original of Astronomy > with Albert's comments scribbled in the margins? Possibly, though I certainly did. Al very kindly included a photocopy of this when he sent Tania (and me) photocopys of the published sheet music for "Astronomy" which the band we were in was going to cover (and alas! this never happened). There were several extra lines which didn't make the final cut, and a few things that got slighly altered (ie. original: "Just call me Mr. Desdinova"). There were some handwritten comments which I take to be Al's, that generally ran along the lines of "what the hell is _this_ about?!" ;) My copy is on the wrong side of the Atlantic for me to check up on, I'm afraid ... Cheers, Carl ps--now whether tBS beat me to it or not, I've got to do a cover of of "I Am the One ..." with Tania on vocals and my sister doing strange synths and samples. That would be just too much fun ... From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Feb 23 10:55:31 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:55:31 EST Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree available Message-ID: Don't know how easy it is for most folks to find this stuff, but I thought I'd mention that the local store has 2 copies of the USA version of "The Sky Moves Sideways" ($12.99 each), and one copy of the CD-single "Stars Die" ($5.99). A good and cheaper introduction to the great music of Porcupine Tree. Any interested parties, I'd be happy to pick it up for you. E-me. CHUCK/Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com obJamTune: Farflung "Landing on Cydonia" From chip at PCC.COM Fri Feb 23 11:09:58 1996 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:09:58 -0500 Subject: BOC: 3-C Set In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Feb 23, 96 10:39:49 am Message-ID: Perhaps I just missed it, but does anyone know what this item is: 3) BLUE OYSTER CULT/TYRANN (unavail) -- -- 3 CD SET ROCK It's been listed in cdnow.com for quite a while. Is it the first three albums? -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From stenger at MATH.UAKRON.EDU Fri Feb 23 11:10:24 1996 From: stenger at MATH.UAKRON.EDU (Ed Stenger) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:10:24 -0500 Subject: OTHER: Jackie Chan - Rumble in the Bronx Message-ID: For all you Jackie Chan fans out there. I got a chance to see an advanced screening of "Rumble in the Bronx" on Tuesday. IT WAS GREAT! Non-stop action with incredible fight scenes and amazing stunts. It also was absolutely HILARIOUS. If you're familiar at all with Jackie Chan movies, none of this should be surprising- I'd put this one in his top five- I liked it just as much as Police Story and Drunken Master II, possibly more. If you're a Jackie Chan virgin and like action movies "Rumble in the Bronx" is a must see. After being exposed to the wonders of Jackie, those Stallone, Van Damme, Steve Seagal, etc. movies will never be enough again. To fully understand, you must see this movie. It comes out today- GO SEE IT! You will not be disappointed. BOC content- I am going to the BOC show at Tangiers in Akron next Friday. I'll be sitting down front for the second show in a table for two. I'll be wearing my Nethawks shirt. Come say hi! If you're trying to decide whether to go to this gig or not- I saw the boys there last year and Tangiers is a great venue for shows. Reserved seating, not a bad seat in the house, waiters and waitresses to get drinks for you (I know a guy that works there too, and last time I got several rounds of free drinks!), and the acoustics are good. Well worth the $17.50 for tickets. GO BOC!!! GO JACKIE CHAN!!!! ----------- Ed Stenger stenger at math.uakron.edu From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 23 11:37:19 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:37:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: 3-C Set Message-ID: Chip asks: 3) BLUE OYSTER CULT/TYRANN (unavail) -- -- 3 CD SET ROCK It's been listed in cdnow.com for quite a while. Is it the first three albums? Yep -- the 1st 3 albums packaged together. Other than possibly getting a better deal financially than purchasing the 3 discs seperately, there is really no reason to pick this up. The packaging is nothing of note - basically a black box with small re-prints of the covers of the first 3 albums reproduced on the side. AND - the discs are the same as buying them seperately (i.e. no remastering). John From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Feb 23 11:38:49 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:38:49 -0500 Subject: Buck hangin' ten In-Reply-To: <182099C461E@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Feb 23, 96 10:45:41 am Message-ID: Tim wrote: > > >If that's the case then maybe they should just pack it in > > completely. I'm just saying this apparent whoring of the band to the > > nostalgia circuit should be unpalatable to any member of the band who still > > considers they have artistic worth. [...] > the road, and they're 'on tour forever.' Maybe they're unwilling [or > unable to afford] to take time away from money-making to work on > their own?Yeah, a real step down, but at least if you go > the independent route you control the whole deal. Hey, Al does > pretty much what the hell he wants. Wonder who's happier? > theo > Well, I've heard that Buck has wanted to fold up the BOC banner for a long time now; apparently he wants to write more pop material, and doesn't have the inspiration to write "BOC-ish" songs anymore. Apparently, Eric is the one who drives the band these days, and whenever Buck talks about hanging it up, Eric talks him out of it. This is all rumor, and should be treated as such, but it would certainly answer a lot of questions about why the band is doing what they're doing these days. Steve From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Feb 23 11:08:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:08:00 EST Subject: HW: Cabin tunes Message-ID: Bill & others, you'll have to pardon my ignorance and other faults here. >We all know what song will be piped into the cabin while the plane is >preparing to depart. What will the pilots opening announcement be?:)) I'm from the "not quite clear on the concept" school here. Ejection? Right Stuff? Psi Power for the announcement? Rudy This is the author speaking, my brain is dead. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 23 11:42:51 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:42:51 -0500 Subject: BOC: vocals on Imaginos Message-ID: Carl (and others have as well) comments on Jon Rogers' vocals: > Jon's vocal is _dire_, but that aside I still have difficulty dealing with the chorus "Ooo, Imaginos! Ooo, Imaginos! Ooo ooo ooooo!" which woul put a stumbler on any vocals ;) Yeah, that line is probably tough for most to make it sound good. I like Carl's idea about having Deb put some gruesome shrieks in it instead. Kind of like -- "YEOOOW, Imaginos! ..." ;-) I don't think Jon's vocals are particularly bad, although I do agree that Al's vocal rendition of Imaginos was better. The only part that of that song that I think Jon might have done better was the way he sang, "was Imaginos is disguise" - Jon sang it with a real quirky and eerie feel to it that I liked. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 23 11:53:22 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:53:22 -0500 Subject: BOC: RU Ready 2 Rock? Message-ID: A few comments on Al's: >I reall hate the feel on that song now. It seems heavy and plodding. I think an Imaginos version would actually be lighter. When I went out with BOC in 1985 I was lobbying for them to change the arrangement. What you dislike about the song is actually what I like about it -- I love those driving guitars backed by the heavy drums. I saw BOC in late '85 and they opened with it, and I thought it was a better set opener than "Stairway to the Stars" (which is good, but it needs a rest, like most of BOC's current set I suppose). The only thing I disliked about it in later years was that Bloom stopped singing the line "Yes I am" and just started saying the words -- it definitely didn't fit as well (where the vocal rhythm went along with the guitars before), and it kind of gave the impression that Bloom was sort of "mailing in" the performance, or that he couldn't hit the notes like he used to. I'd be interested to hear what a "lighter" version would sound like, but that heavy version did something for me. >They relate to Half Life Time, especially the part about "the ruler's son". 2 questions for you on this song: 1. Could you post the lyrics sometime? 2. You once said that "Shadow of California" was a re-worked version of this song. After hearing it, I didn't make the connection. Could you elaborate on this? The only thing I did pick out was the line, "all hail the revolution", which was used in the "Howard Stern intro" to *Club Ninja*'s "When the War Comes". John From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 23 11:32:28 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:32:28 GMT Subject: OFF:GONG In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:51:32 -0500 Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > Some folks here are still of the opinion that Tim Blake will do the NYC shows > at the Bottom Line. His name is still appearing in all the adverts. Whats > Cookin??? > regards, If he does appear (and I'm skeptical) then I hope someone tapes it, especially if he gets a solo spot. I'm after any Blake tapes I can get if anyone wants to trade. P.S. For all those expecting parcels from me, I finally got to the Post Office today. > Bill Stewart Cheers FoFP From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Feb 23 11:58:02 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:58:02 -0500 Subject: HW: Cabin tunes Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-23 11:42:41 EST, you write: >Ejection? Right Stuff? Psi Power for the announcement? Your very warm!!! >Rudy >This is the author speaking, my brain is dead. Your very very warm!! > From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Feb 23 12:01:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:01:00 EST Subject: other: Political Joke Message-ID: Don't know if polnet is set yet or my subscribe was rejected. How many Republicans does it take to screw in a light bulb? Four hundred and sixty-two: Twelve to investigate Clinton's involvement in the failure of the old bulb, twenty-three to deregulate the light bulb industry, sixteen to cut funding for alternative lighting R&D, thirty-four to cut the tax rate on light bulbs, fifty-three to design a block grant so the states can change the bulb, forty-one to talk with defense contractors about night-vision gear instead, and two hundred and eighty-three to pass a law making it illegal to discuss naked bulbs (or screwing anything), on the Internet. Rudy From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Fri Feb 23 12:36:51 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:36:51 -0500 Subject: Imaginos: Black & Silver... Message-ID: Gents: >Tim says: >>If that's the case then maybe they should just pack it in >>completely. I'm just saying this apparent whoring of the band >>to the nostalgia circuit should be unpalatable to any member >>of the band who still considers they have artistic worth. >Well, I disagree here. If they're happy doing what they're doing, and >they've got a few fans that want to show up and listen to the nostalgia >bit (and I'll admit I'm one of them), then let them go for as long as they >can. Just don't expect anything from them. If a new album happens, >great, but if not, enjoy them for what they are, or don't listen. We have >the choice to listen or not, but if they want to keep doing what they're >doing, then that's cool. >I mean, how many people go to see the Beach Boys to hear new music? >John I'm afraid I'm going to have to fall in line with Sir John here... Having just attended four BOC shows in ten nights very recently, I'm still glowing from the energy imparted through the amplification. Eric & Buck were friendly & gracious, albeit a bit tired after dealing with the cold & the flooding up here in the Great Wet North. They dusted off 'Teen Archer' at the last two shows, and played as good a set as I've ever seen them play at the Ballard Firehouse on February 2nd. The place was packed, and the band very obviously fed off that energy. Anita & I talked to both Buck & Eric before the show, and they both seemed a tad road-weary. By the fifth tune, they were shifting into third gear, and picking up speed fast... "Marshall will buoy, but Fender control..." As far as the AOL boards and such, yes, there is alot of *love* for the band there. Is this such a bad thing? I still like the music, after many years away from it, and despite over-analysis, still can't find it in myself to dislike ANY of it. I do believe it is possible to just plain enjoy certain band's styles. This is the source of my *love* for their music... I guess I'm just one of those lemmings... =) Granted, Al was a dominant & driving creative force within the band during their incredible run. And as I haven't the slightest what the underlying causes of their eventual separation might actually be, keeping the whole "Imaginos money issue" aside, I choose not to take up arms against either camp. I now find myself enjoying BOC in it's present form, as well as Al's latest efforts with Deb on the Brain Surgeons albums. I am allowed to appreciate all of it, aren't I? No matter how you paint it, bashing is bashing is bashing... Is this the BOC-AL? So, I will weigh in favoring both Al & BOC, and suffer the consequences... =) The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 23 12:46:40 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:46:40 GMT Subject: HW: Cd's In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Fri, 23 Feb 1996 06:55:52 -0500 Message-ID: > Hello all Hawkfriends, > > I have a question that maybe someone here can answer about a couple HW > cd's I ran across the other day. > I need to know if these cd's are "rare" and if the prices are reasonable. > > 1. Ridicule $18.00 ( new ) no and definitely no! this one is a munchie - it eats your money and gives nothing in return. Here's the discog entry if it helps. 1985 Ridicule (Obsession) (also Live 1973) (Reissue of Side 2 of Space Ritual II. Re-released 1990) comments: excellent quality recording of live, no print dates. printer : Obsession Benelux 85 (another marking says OBLP 1) UK distribution : Jungle/Cartel 10 Seconds Of Forever (Calvert) Brainstorm (Turner) Seven By Seven (ADBrock) Master Of The Universe (Brock/Turner) Welcome To The Future (Calvert) > 2. Lords of Light $13.99 ( new ) > A more interesting one. Worth getting if you are interested in hearing the Calvert and Turner tracks and haven't already got them anywhere else. The price is reasonable too. This is from the discog: 1993 Lord of Light CD Lord of Light Seven by Seven Paradox You'd Better Believe It The Right Stuff (Calvert) Ejection (Calvert) The Weighing of the Heart and Negative Confession (Turner) > Thanks in advance for any info. > Hope this is useful! cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Feb 23 12:57:03 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:57:03 -0500 Subject: HW: SR II ramblings In-Reply-To: <199602231511.QAA10816@exit.ruhr.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > >this version of Time is unreal! > > Why? I can't see too much differences (It is one of my least favorite songs) For me, _Time We Left This World Today_ is the defining moment of _Space Ritual, Vol. 2_, and the reason I bought it. In a lot of cases, time extension does not add much to the track, but in this case I feel it adds a lot. It allows it to evolve and mutate much more, and to let it build to a crescendo. Missing, too, from the original _Space Ritual_ version are little niceties like the cursory descent into "Paranoia" which takes place in the _SRII_ version. One of the great things about "Time..." is the superb interplay between the rhythm elements, and the extended version allows us to hear that and its evolution much better. And, of course, that says nothing about Lemmy's stellar work on the bass. Still, I guess any song can leave someone cold. So it goes... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Shakti, _Natural Elements_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Fri Feb 23 09:58:30 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:58:30 GMT Subject: HW: Silver Machine Message-ID: Carl wrote: > Wouldn't surprise me--he canned the Orb's "Silver Machine", after > all. When DS bites it (can this happen soon enough?) maybe a lot of > cool stuff will get released ... Ok I'm looking for some information here. Who is this Doug Smith character? What is his relationship with HW and why doesn't he want their music released (or at least that's the impression BOC-L folks give ... )? Chris From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Feb 23 13:18:09 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:18:09 -0500 Subject: HW: Cabin tunes In-Reply-To: <312D61F0@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Feb 23, 96 11:08:00 am Message-ID: Hey... > > Bill & others, you'll have to pardon my ignorance and other faults here. > > >We all know what song will be piped into the cabin while the plane is > >preparing to depart. What will the pilots opening announcement be?:)) > > I'm from the "not quite clear on the concept" school here. > > Ejection? Right Stuff? Psi Power for the announcement? > I thought it certainly must be: "Standing on the runway, waiting to take off......" and then for the pilot's announcement... "Time for last minute cockpit check...." "Largactil...10 milligrams...check" or whatever it is...etc...etc... Keith H. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 23 13:36:22 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:36:22 +0000 Subject: HW: Cabin tunes In-Reply-To: <960223115802_330832689@emout05.mail.aol.com> from "Bill Stewart" at Feb 23, 96 11:58:02 am Message-ID: Well, if I got onto an airplane and found out my captain was dead it would really bring me down, you know? ;) Carl From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Feb 23 13:44:50 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:44:50 -0500 Subject: HW: Silver Machine In-Reply-To: <199602231458.OAA13799@neptune.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Chris Bates asked: > Ok I'm looking for some information here. Who is this Doug Smith character? > What is his relationship with HW and why doesn't he want their music > released (or at least that's the impression BOC-L folks give ... )? He is their current manager. The band have had many run-ins with him throughout their career. Lord knows why they hooked up with him again... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _Burnt Weeny Sandwich_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 23 13:47:23 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:47:23 +0000 Subject: Buck hangin' ten In-Reply-To: <199602231638.LAA01455@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Feb 23, 96 11:38:49 am Message-ID: > Well, I've heard that Buck has wanted to fold up the BOC banner for a > long time now; apparently he wants to write more pop material And perhaps this would entertain him in his dotage, but _who_ besides die-hard Buck-fans would _buy_ this? People who are fans based on the "hit" tunes like "Reaper" or "BFU" simply won't care enough to hunt down a obscure pop release by their author. Fans of the heavy, twisted BOC might like Buck just fine, but will probably vote with their wallets elsewhere. Which will leave a handfull of Buck-fans saying "Really, it's not so bad! Some of it I really like--listen to this really tasteful guitar break! Really!" ;) BOC is primarily attracting nostaligia fans and people who like weird heavy rock. And if Buck does a post-/non-BOC project it will need to buy into that. I mean, _Flat Out_. Case in point. I think it's reputation would suffer more if it hadn't been so obscure for so long. "Yeah," people say, "It was OK, really. That one about the heart--pretty freaky, huh?" But is it as good as _ST_? _CE_ or _FoUO_? _Imaginos?_ _Trepanation_? Well, far be it from me to keep someone from doing what they want with their time ... Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 23 13:52:49 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:52:49 +0000 Subject: HW: Silver Machine In-Reply-To: <199602231458.OAA13799@neptune.shef.ac.uk> from "Chris Bates" at Feb 23, 96 02:58:30 pm Message-ID: > Ok I'm looking for some information here. Who is this Doug Smith character? > What is his relationship with HW and why doesn't he want their music > released (or at least that's the impression BOC-L folks give ... )? Doug Smith is ..... their *manager*. Not to mention either incompetant, or a bastard, and very likely both. I mean, judging from the way the band is managed it's an inescapable conclusion. He used to manage Motorhead as well, but to Lemmy's great satisfaction they shook free of him. There are financial irregularities concerning Doug Smith's doings that seem to at least rival the _Imaginos_ payment debacle. Cheers, Carl From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 23 13:53:43 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:53:43 GMT Subject: HW: Silver Machine In-Reply-To: Chris Bates's message of Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:58:30 GMT Message-ID: > > Wouldn't surprise me--he canned the Orb's "Silver Machine", after > > all. When DS bites it (can this happen soon enough?) maybe a lot of > > cool stuff will get released ... > > Ok I'm looking for some information here. Who is this Doug Smith character? > What is his relationship with HW and why doesn't he want their music > released (or at least that's the impression BOC-L folks give ... )? > I'll try and stick to facts here as I know 'em and let others add any colour they might be aware of! Doug Smith was manager for Hawkwind when they first started way back in 1970... sommat or another. Then he stopped being their manager but took up the role again - at Dave Brock's invitation (so I understand) after the break up in 1977. He was therefore there during the Hawklords period but I don't know for how long thereafter. At any rate he took over management again fairly recently, and is behind a fair amount of the marketing side of things (I phoned once and found myself talking to "Doug Smith Enterprises"). He seems to be many things and since I've had little contact with the guy I'll steer clear of any serious comments but, purely in my imagination, I've always envisaged him as the sort of "Arthur Daley" type with serious undertones. jill obcaveat> I could be wrong - I have been before! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Feb 23 14:06:40 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:06:40 -0500 Subject: HW: Cabin tunes Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-23 13:24:14 EST, you write: >"Standing on the runway, waiting to take off......" BINGO >and then for the pilot's announcement... > >"Time for last minute cockpit check...." >"Largactil...10 milligrams...check" or whatever it is...etc...etc... Close.......No Cigar. regards, Bill Stewartl > From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Feb 23 14:08:51 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:08:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Cabin tunes Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-23 13:44:44 EST, you write: > Well, if I got onto an airplane and found out my captain was >dead it would really bring me down, you know? You got it:)) Great minds think alike;-) regards, Bill Stewart From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Feb 23 14:04:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:04:00 EST Subject: HW: Cabin Content Checklist Message-ID: > Well, if I got onto an airplane and found out my captain was >dead it would really bring me down, you know? Well, Carl, I'd prefer that to one going over his extensive drug list. The former is just an inconvenience. I did forget about Starflight though. Rudy Damn, dead pilot, got to rebook! Wait if he's talking how can he be dead? From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Feb 23 14:19:25 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:19:25 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-23 10:37:37 EST, Al writes: >>However, TO ME, Alberts version is significantly >>different in both feel and texture. Not good different, not bad different, >>just...different. > >I don't know what version you have heard. I could understand a difference >in texture, every mix is different, but feel? As in rhythmic feel? There is >not one iota of difference in the rhythm tracks of Imaginos between their >version and mine and if you don't believe me ask EB or DR. >Al Well, it's been awhile since I heard Alberts version (6 months), but as I recall, I walked away with a new perspective on Imaginos. My "feel" comment relates to the revised vocals and additional overdubs (maybe "feel" isn't the proper term...). The "missing" BOC revisions imparted a different perspective to Alberts Imaginos. Rhythmically, the two versions seemed the same. I liked Alberts vocals on his version. Alberts comments on the budget and marketing makes everything even more interesting. In light of CBS's comments and actions, this makes me wonder if CBS had (has?) ANY brains whatsoever. My vote is that they don't... R. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 23 14:17:57 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:17:57 EST Subject: Buck hangin' ten Message-ID: > > Well, I've heard that Buck has wanted to fold up the BOC banner for a > > long time now; apparently he wants to write more pop material > > And perhaps this would entertain him in his dotage, but _who_ > besides die-hard Buck-fans would _buy_ this? People who are fans based on Right. Or collectors who must simply have anything under any aspect of the BOC aegis. > the "hit" tunes like "Reaper" or "BFU" simply won't care enough to hunt > down a obscure pop release by their author. Fans of the heavy, twisted Right, and good ridance to them! > BOC might like Buck just fine, but will probably vote with their wallets > elsewhere. Which will leave a handfull of Buck-fans saying "Really, it's > not so bad! Some of it I really like--listen to this really tasteful > guitar break! Really!" ;) > Well said! Again, the die-hards will buy it, and desperately try to convince themselves they like it! > BOC is primarily attracting nostaligia fans and people who like > weird heavy rock. And if Buck does a post-/non-BOC project it will need > to buy into that. I've said it again and again. Al's more in touch with BOC's fans than they are. That's why he puts out challenging stuff while BOC keeps mining the same arid tracts desperatly hoping the raio crowd will find them. Good luck with that one, they've all 'grown up' and moved on to, who, Cheryl Crow? > I mean, _Flat Out_. Case in point. I think it's reputation would > suffer more if it hadn't been so obscure for so long. "Yeah," people say, > "It was OK, really. That one about the heart--pretty freaky, huh?" > Again, a good record, at least in points. Hell, it's better than CN. But an embarassment alongside ST. > But is it as good as _ST_? _CE_ or _FoUO_? _Imaginos?_ > _Trepanation_? > > Well, far be it from me to keep someone from doing what they > want with their time ... > > Cheers, > Carl True enough, but it sounds like a career [of evil] killer to me! theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Feb 23 13:48:50 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:48:50 +0000 Subject: OTHER: Jackie Chan - Rumble in the Bronx In-Reply-To: <9602231610.AA09220@zippysun.math.uakron.edu> from "Ed Stenger" at Feb 23, 96 11:10:24 am Message-ID: > For all you Jackie Chan fans out there. I got a chance to see an advanced > screening of "Rumble in the Bronx" on Tuesday. IT WAS GREAT! Non-stop > action with incredible fight scenes and amazing stunts. It also was absolutely > HILARIOUS. Wow, did this see a mainstream theater release or something? Did I, like, leave the States at the wrong moment? Cheers, Carl From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Feb 23 14:33:03 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:33:03 -0500 Subject: HW: the Oakland laugh explained In-Reply-To: <312C25D7@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Rudich, Robert A wrote: > This must be where the phantom laugh in California Brainstorm came from. > That way they didn't have to pay anybody for the rights. Phantom Schmantom. :-) My addled brain says the "mysterious laugh" on _California Brainstorm_ is exactly the same as the "laugh interlude" in the original studio version of "Out Of The Shadows" on _Space Bandits_. Maybe some consciencious soul can listen to the two to make absolutely sure? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Catfish Keith, _Pepper in my Shoe_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Feb 23 14:34:33 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:34:33 -0500 Subject: OTHER: Jackie Chan - Rumble in the Bronx In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Feb 23, 96 06:48:50 pm Message-ID: > > > For all you Jackie Chan fans out there. I got a chance to see an advanced > > screening of "Rumble in the Bronx" on Tuesday. IT WAS GREAT! Non-stop > > action with incredible fight scenes and amazing stunts. It also was absolutely > > HILARIOUS. > > Wow, did this see a mainstream theater release or something? Did > I, like, leave the States at the wrong moment? > > Cheers, > Carl > Methinks that it is getting general release today... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 23 14:33:45 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:33:45 EST Subject: Hot Rails to Hoboken Message-ID: > >> However, my friends and I used to have a running joke about > >>"proper rock intonation" as appears in this song. (Tox, if he still lurks > >>on this list, may recall it). > >> With thunderous riffing behind him, Eric sings: > >> "My boat left New Orleans ..." (he builds to the lyrical > >>climax ...) > >> "... IN 1829!!" > >> > >> Woah! we all think. Rockin'! > > > >Oh YEAH ! let's rock... > > > >> Then: Wait? "My boat left New Orleans in 1829?" What the _hell_ > >>are we doing head-banging to that? What's going on here? Why should > >>we care? ;) Right. But my own favorite moment comes a bit later in the song. When Al speaks of 'a place where you can see relics of jewels...AND AMTRAK TRAINS!' Well my jaw about hit the ground on that one. And I've been a BOC/Al fan forever, but he's still able to freak me out, seemingly at will. Al realizes that the appeal to us whackos is this freaked-out, tripped-out stuff a lot more than 'Burnin' theo > >Does sound kind of stupid if you take it out of context. You got a point there. > > > >> But still, you've got to admit, that even when you sing something > >>completely bizarre like that with the appropriate phrasing and with the > >>appropriate instrumental arrangement it _does_ get the old adrenilin > >>pumping! :) > > > >True enough. In fact, that precise excerpt of the song is probably > >the part of it I like the most :-) > > > >Thanks for sharing that one with us. > > What and would you rather BOC's lyrics consisted of the usual "yeah, yeah > baby" type? Or perhaps the angry-young-man bit that is so popular these > days? Lyrics have always been one of BOC's strong points, IMO.. In Imaginos, > a story is being told.. Part of the story is set in the 1800's.. I don't > understand your objection to the lyric. > _ > | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish and > Gentlemen, > | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| here's my angled dream.." > |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! > From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Feb 23 14:45:23 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:45:23 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: Buck hangin' ten In-Reply-To: <185935E5FC9@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Ted O. Jackson wrote: [BOC career appraisal deleted.] > True enough, but it sounds like a career [of evil] killer to me! Or maybe it's a career of evil filler? :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar_ box set e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Feb 23 14:13:36 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr Big Mike Light) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:13:36 +0000 Subject: HW: Cabin tunes In-Reply-To: <199602231818.NAA09345@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Keith A Henderson wrote: > > I thought it certainly must be: > > "Standing on the runway, waiting to take off......" > > and then for the pilot's announcement... > > "Time for last minute cockpit check...." > "Largactil...10 milligrams...check" or whatever it is...etc...etc... Well, I had a certain hankering for "This is your captain speaking, your captain is dead.." Mike w From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Fri Feb 23 14:53:42 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:53:42 -0800 Subject: 1st BOC BBQ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, jean l delacour wrote: > Hey; > > Read a little about this 1st Annual BOC BBQ this past week and was > wondering if it was for real or just a joke. > > If it's real, count us in!!! Anybody have any details, ect, would be > appreciated if posted. > > Someone said it will be held on The Last Days Of May? What a cool > idea. Only hope it is held on Memorial Day Weekend so we can take > time off from work. > > Will the band be there to perform?? > > Safe Sex, Coffee, Classic Rock!!!! > > Manuel > > Jean Delacour > University of New Mexico > Parish Library > Alb, NM 87131-1496 > delacour at unm.edu > COUNT me IN! From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Feb 23 14:55:24 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:55:24 -0500 Subject: Buck hangin' ten In-Reply-To: <185935E5FC9@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Feb 23, 96 02:17:57 pm Message-ID: > [ BOC ] keeps mining the same arid tracts desperatly hoping the raio crowd > will find them. Good luck with that one, they've all 'grown up' and > moved on to, who, Cheryl Crow? Ermmm... Ever considered giving Hawkwind a listen...? ;-) > > I mean, _Flat Out_. Case in point. I think it's reputation would > > suffer more if it hadn't been so obscure for so long. "Yeah," people say, > > "It was OK, really. That one about the heart--pretty freaky, huh?" Well, I would agree with you, but describing it as an OK record might give someone the mistaken impression that I could stand to listen to it. ;-) Steve From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Fri Feb 23 14:57:59 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:57:59 -0800 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver In-Reply-To: <199602191914.OAA19148@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >>From Siege: "World Without End!" > > > >This line also appears in the song "Heavy Metal: Black and Silver". > > Hmmmm methinks not. The recent issue of Heavy Metal talked about the > influence of the movie: > Then, once we HM>looked at the script, the music flowed, and we did five > songs in a few days.:" > > While I'm not sure I can nail down exactly which five songs, it seems clear > that both "The Pact" and "Heavy Metal: The Black and the Silver" would be > two of them. Two songs by other artists contained the words "Heavy Metal" > in the title (Hagar's "Heavy Metal" and Felder's "Heavy Metal (takin' a > ride)"). > > Oddly, I would guess the one song they did use, "Veteran of the Psychic > Wars" was not influenced by the movie, since it was a Moorcock tunes > grounded firmly with references to earlier works of his... The movie may not have been influenced by the song, nor the song by the movie - but they both fit - and the correspondence s visible to all. They both work together. - passerby From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Feb 23 15:02:25 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:02:25 -0500 Subject: OTHER: Jackie Chan - Rumble in the Bronx In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Carl E. Anderson wondered: > Wow, did this see a mainstream theater release or something? Did > I, like, leave the States at the wrong moment? Looks like it. :-) _Rumble in the Bronx_ is getting major advertising at the moment, and I think it goes on general release today. Jackie even appeared on the Tonight Show recently. I agree with the original poster: if you want to see action films, go with Jackie Chan. Amazing action stunts, and a wry sense of humour that make the likes of Arnie and Sly seem positively dour and stupid by comparison make his action films irresistable in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Ozric Tentacles, _Tantric Obstacles_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Fri Feb 23 15:27:15 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:27:15 -0800 Subject: Buck hangin' ten In-Reply-To: <185935E5FC9@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: hello > > But is it as good as _ST_? _CE_ or _FoUO_? _Imaginos?_ > > _Trepanation_? > > > > Well, far be it from me to keep someone from doing what they > > want with their time ... > > > > Cheers, > > Carl > True enough, but it sounds like a career [of evil] killer to me! > theo > SpSpeaking from the perspective of the DIE-HARD (no coincidence there) fan, I have to say three things: 1) I worship the BAND that was, the MUSIC that is, and the POTENTIAL that shall be. I live in ignorance of the BS, but am willing to hear. In the immortal words of the ancient French prophets, "What the _____ heck?" - Passerby From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Feb 23 15:38:20 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:38:20 -0500 Subject: Hot Rails to Hoboken Message-ID: theo writes: Right. But my own favorite moment comes a bit later in the song. When Al speaks of 'a place where you can see relics of jewels...AND AMTRAK TRAINS!' Well my jaw about hit the ground on that one. Well, snap it back up - the line is "entrapped tombs" I also misheard this line when I first heard Imaginos - but I thought is was "8 track tapes"!! John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 23 15:50:15 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:50:15 EST Subject: chop socky Message-ID: > Looks like it. :-) _Rumble in the Bronx_ is getting major advertising at > the moment, and I think it goes on general release today. Jackie even > appeared on the Tonight Show recently. > > I agree with the original poster: if you want to see action films, go with > Jackie Chan. Amazing action stunts, and a wry sense of humour that make > the likes of Arnie and Sly seem positively dour and stupid by comparison > make his action films irresistable in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > I saw a preview of it on one of the morning news shows, and it looks amazing. How can this guy still be alive after some of the stunts he does? He's a real macho animal as opposed to the phony hollywood type theo From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Feb 23 16:02:28 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:02:28 -0500 Subject: From my Bob Calver archive Message-ID: [Originally posted by Seb Welton, BOC-L, 1993] This was originally printed in Sounds in 1974 and was reprinted in Hawkfrendz no.18. Seeing as this is just a limited edition of only 1000 copies and they seemed to (kind of) ignored the copyright and whatever, I thought it would be a decent thing to pass it on to others. Enjoy. Cattle At Twilight Robert Calvert 28-12-1974 ...they're so weary of it all. "Nostalgia seems the latest thing," says Noel Coward. He wishes he'd known that was all there was to it when he was Down There. Jimi Hendrix is puzzled: "You mean a hankering after the past?" There's even nostalgia for the future. A fantasy. Noel Coward, dressed in a gold lame evening suit, is seated in a great wing chair of swan and ostrich feathers. He is looking downwards through the legendary heavy-lidded eyes, smoking a leopard skin cigarette in an ivory holder. The wings of the chair are raised, and the whole thing appears to be floating against the glaring white background of eternity. Enter Jimi Hendrix, dressed in a coat of many and moving colours. As the colours change the light around him is left stained by the glow of their radiance. He wears a battered, black felt hat in which six metal feathers are fixed that jingle, like spurs when he moves. His skin is silver. Hendrix: You still sitting there? Coward: I am. And I think I shall continue sitting here until I'm tired of sitting here. And when that moment arrives, I shall wait. Until I'm tired of being tired of sitting here. And so I shall continue to sit. Hendrix: That sounds logical. Coward: It isn't. Hendrix (peering over Coward's shoulder): You still watching them down there? What's going on? Coward: Nostalgia seems to be the latest thing. Hendrix: Nostalgia? Sounds like a disease. Coward: More of a symptom really. Hendrix: It means like trying to hang on to things that you ain't got any more, right? Hankering after the past. Coward: It's more like handkerchiefing after it... Hendrix: So what's all this nostalgia for? Coward (rapidly): The Twenties. The Thirties. Occasionally the Forties. More often the Fifties. And I don't like the way they're looking at the Sixties. Hendrix: So? Let 'em get on with it. Coward: I don't care what they do with the Fifties. Dreadful greasy decade. But the Twenties was my invention. Hendrix: You mean all those chicks with short skirts and flower-pots on their heads. Waving beads around? Coward: Certainly. Hendrix: Yeah? OOH Wack a Doo...baggy pants and short, shiny hair? Coward: Well it was only a prototype really. The Thirties was by way of being an improvement. But I'm afraid it all went a bit wrong towards the end. Very depressing. Hendrix takes what appears to be an intricately jewelled six-gun out of his coat pocket. He aims into the air and pulls the trigger. Instead of going bang, it emits a brilliant rainbow chord of sounds. He spins the pistol round his finger like a gunslinger and slides it back into his pocket. Coward: What on Earth was that? Hendrix: It was just a dream I once had. It was nothing on Earth at all. Coward: That's one of the advantages of being up here, I suppose. Hendrix: Yeah, I guess there are a few. Do you ever get any of those nostalgia feelings? Coward: I suppose I do. But only in my weaker moments. Mostly for silly, isolated fragments of childhood. Tiny fractions of time in which nothing spectacular actually happened. But for some reason, whenever I recall them, they have that exquisite aura of ever inviting sadness shimmering through them. I don't dress it up in period costume trying to evoke them though. I would certainly look very silly in short trousers and a school-cap. No...it's not for any of the great, grease painted, applause-swollen moments that I feel nostalgia...it's more...let me see...I had it somewhere in a song of mine... "I'm so weary of it all...Other voices call...the cattle at twilight...the birds in the sky light...of dawn." Hendrix: Before I was born I wanted to be an Eagle. I guess I wasn't assertive enough. Maybe the reason I joined a parachute mob was just so I could get my share of the sky. I told them I wanted to be a soldier. They gave me a gun. And a parachute. And then they said jump. And I jumped into twenty thousand feet of air. And in those few seconds of falling free I didn't feel like I was falling at all. I was climbing. I was rocketing away from the plane. Upwards. Into the blue. Then suddenly this great white membrane burst out of my shoulders. It grew. Like a speeded up botanical film. Coward: You mean it was like a pair of wings? Hendrix: No, it was worse than wings. Sure, wings hold you back. But this was more like a drag. A huge dome of silken resistance like the shell of a giant aerobatic snail. It held me back. It was dragging me down. Coward: I know the feeling well, dear boy. Hendrix: I looked down into this organic canopy...I mean I was looking down into it...not looking up. Coward: You were upside down, looking down. Hendrix: No, it's entered in the books up here that I jumped from a plane. And my parachute never opened. I wrote it myself. Coward: I don't suppose there was much room left in the book after I'd written my own account. I did my best to live as many lives as I could. All at once. They were all quite, quite imaginary. Hendrix: What are they doing now? Coward: Down there? They're doing a play about the Beatles. Hendrix: They're not dead are they? Coward: Not enough to bury. Hendrix: Who's that cat with the orange hair? Coward: That's David Bowie. He's somehow managed to create a feeling of nostalgia for the future. Hendrix: They'll be doing a play about him next. Coward: If they do I'm sure it'll be based on purely circumstantial evidence. Hendrix: What's that other guy doing over there with that guitar? Coward: He's impersonating you. Hendrix: Did I really sound like that? Coward: No, but you looked as if you did. Hendrix: I guess you get a lot of impersonations, huh? Coward: My dear boy. I'm constantly being impersonated out of my wits. Look at them all. In nightclubs everywhere. On television. At private parties. All they have to do to induce floods of laughter is to stand there, talk through clenched teeth and wave a cigarette-holder about. I only wish I'd know that that was the secret. Hendrix: Who's that cat in the leopard skin suit? Coward: That one over there? In the white jacket and bow-tie? Hendrix: Yeah, the one in the blue jeans and tee-shirt. Coward: That must be the Scarlet Pimpernel. Hendrix: Hey, I've just seen a guy write a song lyric with his eyes closed. Coward: Yes. He's the ringleader of a band of rebellious cocknies. He was probably just signing autographs. Hendrix: I though he might have been writing a note for the milkman. Coward: I don't think he discriminates The sound of Celestial engines is heard. They both look up and see a fair-haired girl approaching on a golden motor-cycle. The white mists of Eternity spiralling around her wheels. Hendrix: Here comes Janis. We're going starbathing together. Wanna come? Bring Cole Porter and Ivor Novello. We'll make it a party. Take a crate of Nectar along. Coward: Cole is still giving Ivor his versification lessons. I'm sure they wouldn't thank us for interrupting them. Poor Ivor, he won't give up 'til he's learned everything Cole Porter knows. I suppose eternity should be long enough. Hendrix: What about you? Coward: Thanks for the offer. But as for me...I think I shall continue sitting here until I'm tired of sitting here. And when that moment arrives, I shall wait. Until I'm tired of being tired of sitting here. And so I shall continue to sit. The volume of the Celestial Engine reaches such a pitch as the bike arrives that speech is no longer feasible. Hendrix climbs aboard pulls blue and sparkling goggles over his eyes, and the bike takes off. The surging colours of his psychechromic coat merge into a solid blue that grows more and more electric-looking as it recedes into the distance. Copyright (C) it's original publication. No breaches of copyright intended or implied. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Feb 23 16:30:56 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:30:56 -0500 Subject: chop socky In-Reply-To: <1871CC26287@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > I saw a preview of it on one of the morning news shows, and it looks > amazing. How can this guy still be alive after some of the stunts he > does? He's a real macho animal as opposed to the phony hollywood type I remember seeing a documentary about him and his films as part of Johnathan Ross' _The Incredibly Strange Film Show_ series. One thing I remember is an anecdote about how he almost died as a result of a stunt when filming an "Indiana Jones" type film overseas. He fell quite some distance after a jump went wrong (I think a tree branch snapped, or something). I recall him complaining about not having a Hong Kong film crew working for him at the time, quipping something like "a Hong Kong cameraman would have caught me instead of moving out the way and letting me hit the ground like the location cameraman did. :-)" I am amazed he can still keep up such hectic stunts after so long in the business. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Catfish Keith, _Jitterbug Swing_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Feb 23 16:36:44 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:36:44 -0500 Subject: BOC: 3-C Set Message-ID: > > Perhaps I just missed it, but does anyone know what this item > is: > > 3) BLUE OYSTER CULT/TYRANN (unavail) -- -- > 3 CD SET ROCK > > It's been listed in cdnow.com for quite a while. Is it the > first three albums? Sounds like 3-Pak to me. If it is, then you're right. Not much else it could be, since it would've been on here by now.. Probably just had the title truncated... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Feb 23 16:36:43 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:36:43 -0500 Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: >Al says - > >> I'm told that CBS gave BOC $500,000 to 'finish' Imaginos. That was almost >> three times what I spent on it. > >Gak! Half a million dollars !!! For the comparative changes made, the boys >must have got through a lot of beer & pizza. For that much money I'd want the >triple album and no excuses :-) At least you think they might have spent some of that figuring out how to promote it... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Feb 23 16:36:48 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:36:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Message-ID: >> Ok I'm looking for some information here. Who is this Doug Smith character? >> What is his relationship with HW and why doesn't he want their music >> released (or at least that's the impression BOC-L folks give ... )? > > Doug Smith is ..... their *manager*. Not to mention either >incompetant, or a bastard, and very likely both. I mean, judging from >the way the band is managed it's an inescapable conclusion. > > He used to manage Motorhead as well, but to Lemmy's great >satisfaction they shook free of him. There are financial irregularities >concerning Doug Smith's doings that seem to at least rival the >_Imaginos_ payment debacle. Was he the "Actonium Doug" character in the "Queens of Lemuria" book? +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Feb 23 17:22:12 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:22:12 -0600 Subject: HW: Banco de Gaia Message-ID: This may be old news, but I'm pretty sure it's not. I was just on the Banco de Gaia Web site (http://www.obsolete.com/banco/) and found the following: "Not a great deal going on at the moment but watch out for the 'Kincajou' EP out in Britain and Europe on Feb. 5th (yes, it's been put back). It includes mixes by SpeedyJ, Oliver Lieb and Banco. Also coming is a Banco remix of 'Yalla Chant' by Natasha Atlas (of Transglobal Underground), out on Mantra Records in January. Still in the pipeline is the Banco Hawkwind remix (!) Stay tuned..." Sounds cool... then again, how many HW remixes have actually materialized? Solstice and Astralasia, but that's about it. Damon Capehart | The Society of Physics Students at UTD dcapehar at utdallas.edu | (yes, even though I'm actually a math major) -- Call the Physics Friends Hotline. -- -- Find out about your special density! -- From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Feb 23 17:35:38 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:35:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Silver Machine Message-ID: >Was he the "Actonium Doug" character in the "Queens of Lemuria" book? Uh - that's "Deliria"... (been at those Lin Carter books again, have we? :) Yes, I think he probably was. - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Feb 23 17:35:55 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:35:55 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: Hot Rails to Hoboken Message-ID: >Well, snap it back up - the line is "entrapped tombs" Ain't it "ant-track tools"? Didn't Al once confirm that? (Bizarre though it seems?) - Andy From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Feb 23 17:41:47 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:41:47 -0500 Subject: HW: Silver Machine In-Reply-To: <199602232136.QAA19263@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Andrew A. Apold queried: > Was he the "Actonium Doug" character in the "Queens of Lemuria" book? The very same, except it was actually "Queens of Deleria." Cheers, Paul. obCD: Steve Vai, _Alien Love Secrets_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Fri Feb 23 18:08:55 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:08:55 -0800 Subject: Hot Rails to Hoboken Message-ID: At 03:38 PM 2/23/96 -0500, you wrote: >theo writes: > >Right. But my own favorite moment comes a bit later in the song. >When Al speaks of 'a place where you can see relics of jewels...AND >AMTRAK TRAINS!' Well my jaw about hit the ground on that one. > > >Well, snap it back up - the line is "entrapped tombs" > >I also misheard this line when I first heard Imaginos - but I thought >is was "8 track tapes"!! I thought I read in the lyrics I got off the boc-l ftp that it was: "ant track tools" or something similar... _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Feb 23 18:24:59 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:24:59 -0500 Subject: HW: CD Questions Message-ID: > >>I have a question that maybe someone here can answer about a couple HW >>cd's I ran across the other day. >>I need to know if these cd's are "rare" and if the prices are reasonable. > >>1. Ridicule $18.00 ( new ) >>2. Lords of Light $13.99 ( new ) > >Hi Duane, Ridicule is a clipped version of Space Rituals 2, so on that >basis, why get it at any price, much less the high one you quote. Lords is >a compilation disk from other sources, including a song from Ridicule. > Depending on your views, you're probably better off with the original >albums and get more material. You might want to check the Codex and >Discography for more details. Mike and Jill put a lot of effort into these >items and they are very useful for us lower level collectors groping in the >HW murk. > >Rudy >Did you get Reading Live'86 yet? You won't regret that buy. > > Yes, I have had Reading Live for awhile. It is quite good, and considering I found it used for $8.00, I guess I can't complain! Thanks, Duane -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Feb 23 18:32:06 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:32:06 -0500 Subject: HW: Cd's Message-ID: > >> Hello all Hawkfriends, >> >> I have a question that maybe someone here can answer about a couple HW >> cd's I ran across the other day. >> I need to know if these cd's are "rare" and if the prices are reasonable. >> >> 1. Ridicule $18.00 ( new ) > >no and definitely no! this one is a munchie - it eats your money and >gives nothing in return. Here's the discog entry if it helps. > >1985 Ridicule (Obsession) (also Live 1973) > (Reissue of Side 2 of Space Ritual II. Re-released 1990) > comments: excellent quality recording of live, no print dates. > printer : Obsession Benelux 85 (another marking says OBLP 1) > UK distribution : Jungle/Cartel > 10 Seconds Of Forever (Calvert) > Brainstorm (Turner) > Seven By Seven (ADBrock) > Master Of The Universe (Brock/Turner) > Welcome To The Future (Calvert) > > > >> 2. Lords of Light $13.99 ( new ) >> > >A more interesting one. Worth getting if you are interested in hearing >the Calvert and Turner tracks and haven't already got them anywhere >else. The price is reasonable too. > >This is from the discog: > >1993 Lord of Light CD > Lord of Light > Seven by Seven > Paradox > You'd Better Believe It > The Right Stuff (Calvert) > Ejection (Calvert) > The Weighing of the Heart and Negative Confession (Turner) > > >> Thanks in advance for any info. >> > >Hope this is useful! > >cheers > >jill > Yes, this is a big help. It seems by popular consensus that Ridicule is not worth the big bucks. I think I will get Lords of Light. But one question, Is the versions of The Right Stuff and Ejection the same as on Captain Lockheed? Thanks, Duane -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Feb 23 19:32:07 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 00:32:07 GMT Subject: HW: Cd's In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:32:06 -0500 Message-ID: > worth the big bucks. I think I will get Lords of Light. > But one question, Is the versions of The Right Stuff and Ejection the same > as on Captain Lockheed? > oh I love these questions! I dive into the collection only to discover I haven't got the full info I thought I had and that it's a great deal more confusing than I realised 8-( "Ejection" is listed in the LoL sleeve notes as the single mix and it certainly was released as a single backed with "Catch a Falling Starfighter". However single mix may mean nothing more than hacking a chunk off the end to make it fit on a 7" so I'll play it through first and can let you know if it comes straight from Capt Lockheed. However: "The Right Stuff" is also (on the info sheet) said to be a "single mix". This is interesting because to the best of my knowledge Calvert never released this track as a single. At least I've no indication of it! Can anyone confirm? If there is no single version this may again turn out to be the same as the LP - but again, I'll check. On the whole, though, if you already have Capt. Lockheed I might now hesitate to recommend you buy Lord of Light as well. The other tracks on it are all single mixes of existing album tracks. The 7" vinyl versions are fairly rare and difficult to get hold of now but they won't differ all that much from the album and, as someone said previously, if you already have the albums then I really wouldn't bother with this CD since the only "different" track is Nik Turner's. I'll confirm the rest later. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Feb 23 21:03:35 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:03:35 -0500 Subject: BOC: Joey Cerisano Message-ID: John: How did this info escape yer notice and FAQ? I know I've answered the Joey Cerisano question before. And Albert has, too. Joey Cerisano is not aping Albert, although he was directed and produced by Albert. But then again, he's a tremendous singer who was brought in by Albert, after Pearlman told him that Columbia was shelving the project because "they" (whoever "they" were was never made specific-so draw yer own conclusions) didn't like the vocals. So Albert said, OK, he'd get a really great singer, a longtime veteran of the New Jersey scene (as was Tommy Morongiello, who introduced him to Albert) who, at that point, having just seen his rock dreams fail to fly with Silver Condor, a band he had with Earl Silver, jumped at the opportunity. Pearlman, that great ear for talent, immediately nixed him, saying he couldn't sing (Joey has an even higher opinion of Pearlman's expertise as a producer). Albert subsequently produced and paid for the sessions himself. And odd, isn't it, that despite Cerisano not "being able to sing," no one brought in to overdub could do much better... Cerisano's abilities and professionalism pretty much speak for themselves: shortly after working with Albert, his professional fortunes took a remarkable turn for the better. He subsequently became literally THE most successful jingle singer in America. You've all heard him daily. He's been the voice of Budweiser, KFC, and Lord knows how many car companies... From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Feb 23 21:03:42 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:03:42 -0500 Subject: Power in the hands of fools Message-ID: Speaking of titles that almost were...an album by a band called Shoveljerk just arrived in my mail, and Albert looked at the cover and said, "We were gonna use that photo--it's a stock shot" (although I think it may have been re-shot for these purposes--unless the designer is taking credit for what was originally a photo of kids in the Soviet Union getting some kinda sunlamp treatment beneath the beneficent gaze of the dictator) and Columbia wouldn't allow it-- said it was 'kiddie porn' !" My, how times have changed....! BTW, speaking of both kiddie porn and stock shots...Nirvana's famous cover fit both those categories.,but Geffen's graphicdesigners dubbed in the dollar bill dangling in front of the kid... DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Feb 23 21:45:33 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:45:33 -0500 Subject: 1st BOC BBQ Message-ID: Well, the Brain Surgeons would come and play... but you might have to serve somethin' besides coffee... DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Feb 23 21:45:44 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:45:44 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Real Life Hot Rails & Hoboken Message-ID: Speaking of Hoboken, the Brain Surgeons will be playing there, at the landmark Maxwell's, Friday, March 15. 10 pm. With Walt Mink (on Atlantic Records) and Fig Dish (A&M). And this just in: The Brain Surgeons will be returning to McGovern's in NYC, Saturday, March 2. Showtime: 12 pm From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 23 05:40:19 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:40:19 GMT Subject: HW: Silver Machine Message-ID: In your message dated Friday 23, February 1996 you wrote : > I remember that when Alien was due to be released ,there was also > supposed to be a Utah Saints remix of Silver Machine. > Does anyone know what happened to this ? Did they record it but > "good" old Douglas threw a spanner in the works ? > Was this the same aborted project as The Orb's Silver Machine re-mix? Or are these techno whipper-snapper's queueing up to "do homage" but then not quite get ting it together, man? -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ 25 years of social reform, ain't gonna make me change or make me conform. From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Sat Feb 24 02:03:29 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 02:03:29 -0500 Subject: 1st BOC BBQ Message-ID: Deb: >Well, the Brain Surgeons would come and play... >but you might have to serve somethin' besides coffee... >DF There will definitely be more than coffee served! This will be the public debut of the highly regarded BOC beers... Buck's Blazing Bitter Eric's Extraterrestrial Elixir Allen's Alien Ale Danny's Death Valley Dark There will also be plenty of fine food & other local microbrews donated by the owners of the area brewpubs. There will also be more than a little sparkling conversation, and as far as attendance goes, we know of about a dozen folks already planning on going. However, it's hard to say how much steam it will pick-up after Sir Charles posts his 'reservation packet' to the alt.m.boc, and here to the BOC-L. There will be a number of the AOL folk in attendance, and likely the honorable Bolle, Melne, & Che... If you folks were willing to play, somehow I think that would increase the size of the gathering, as well as the 'prestige factor', if you will. You ought to contact our graciuos host, Charlie Gow, regarding the details. He will be able to discuss any arrangements, and give you all of the facts. He can be reached at . He may post about the BBQ from his ISP address, but I will leave the posting of that address up to him... Personally, I'd be thrilled to see the Brain Surgeons perform live, as I am a left coaster all the way, and have very little occasion to travel to the Northeast, where you live, work & play. Please contact Charlie if you are at all serious about your offer... Best Regards... The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Sat Feb 24 02:29:22 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:29:22 -0800 Subject: BRAIN: Real Life Hot Rails & Hoboken Message-ID: At 09:45 PM 2/23/96 -0500, you wrote: >Speaking of Hoboken, the Brain Surgeons will be playing there, at the >landmark Maxwell's, Friday, March 15. 10 pm. With Walt Mink (on Atlantic >Records) and Fig Dish (A&M). > >And this just in: >The Brain Surgeons will be returning to McGovern's in NYC, Saturday, March 2. >Showtime: 12 pm Any sign of a West Coast tour some day? _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From stayer at PI.NET Sat Feb 24 03:06:49 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 00:06:49 PST Subject: OFF: Politics Message-ID: Too many OFFs? I'll send personal e-mail next time... >> >I really believe we need a third >> > political party so that everything in our Gov't isn't an >> > US vs. THEM It's only twice as good as the one-party system of Russian socialism :-) >> The worst thing about US politics (well, one of many, I guess) is the >> two-party system. So many Americans complaining about the policitcal constitution... >> I know in Belgium, which is about the size of New >> Jersey, they have seven political parties >The reason for this in continental countries is that they operate a >system based around proportional representation (i.e you get a number of >representatives in proportion to the local or national popular vote) >rather than a First Past the Post system as in the US and UK. Is it because of 'continentality' or non-English speaking? Coincidence. >advantage is that it lets small parties achieve some representation. The >disadvantages are various. Some systems effectively disengage >politicians from any local constituency. Some extremist small parties >gain representation that they wouldn't otherwise have. The big idea behind it, is to let government be a representation of the public opinion. You mentioned it before, it doesn't evoke a us vs. them feeling. Also, when discussing issues with people with different ideas, one might even start to think differently. I think it is less a sign of failure or weakness to change one's views here, than it is in a two-party system. Decisions are >still made by politicians in backroom deals. More parties mean more >backroom deals. True. Sometimes there's just too much talking. But it also means showing more interest or care. >> and near 100% voter >> participation. Here, we have two parties and, what 40%? >> Tells me something! >You may be right about this. A vote for a smaller party doesn't mean it's useless to vote at all. Every vote counts; not to hope your favourite party will be the winner, but to let government be a representation of the public's voice. Jerry From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Feb 23 13:38:41 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:38:41 GMT Subject: HAWKZONE N0 9 Message-ID: In your message dated Friday 23, February 1996 you wrote : > HAWKZONE Number 9 is just out: 22 pages > with member news;a Tim Blake interview > (from last summer); HW disco; > HW saga (HW decoded); HW galaxy (records) etc... > Alas...only available in french > > Price is: 2 US dollars to send to: > > HAWKZONE c/o JohnMac Elhone > - 50 avenue Edouard Vaillant - 93500 - Pantin - France. > How much in UKP? -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ 25 years of social reform, ain't gonna make me change or make me conform. From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Feb 24 04:56:49 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 04:56:49 -0500 Subject: HW: SR II (Was: it never rains but it pours) Message-ID: On 23-FEB-1996 05:11:03.7 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >"Orgone..." is the same recording, but better mixed. No, not the same as the one on SRI?? Can't be!! Different "Electronic", too (I THINK). Chuck `[1;32;43mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Feb 24 04:57:07 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 04:57:07 -0500 Subject: HW: SR II ramblings Message-ID: On 23-FEB-1996 10:29:28.2 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >>this version of Time is unreal! >Why? I can't see too much differences (It is one of my least favorite >songs) MUCH longer, weird sounds out of Nik's sax to major Lemmy Blanga, the audio generator subtlely building meanwhile, the "she-tah" (or whatever the hell they're saying) chant, the "Paranoia" coming in... >>(SPACE) What's with that? >Shit with that. Printed by people without knowing HAWKWIND (see also the >READING 1986 CD) >>Also, I thought Dave Anderson never again >>had anything to do w/HW after he left in '71 or so, but he's listed >in the >credits as one of the compilers. >See above.....and......he and Nik Turner were the main persons behing >the shit releases like YURI GAGARIN, ACID DAZE, REDICULE, IN THE >BEGINNING and many more dirt >btw: Dave Anderson played with HAWKWIND a couple of gigs 3 or 4) >during the EARTH RITUAL tour spring 1984 and HAWKON, Manchester >10.02.1985 >Bernhard `[1;35;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM Sat Feb 24 05:22:49 1996 From: 101612.172 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 05:22:49 EST Subject: BOC: Imaginos Message-ID: John A. Swartz wrote : >If they're happy doing what they're doing, and >they've got a few fans that want to show up and listen to the nostalgia >bit (...) Hmmm... Yes, but, from all I've read on the list up to now (especially this thing about the AOL logs and the band not having a "masterplan"), I'm starting to wonder if they actually DO enjoy what they're doing... On the other hand, it'd be hard believing they're doing it for the money, since BOC isn't really what you could call a comercially successful band... Could it be they're just doing it because they have become so used to it that they can't even *imagine* going on without touring ? I wonder... As for the fans showing up at the concerts, there's certainly no harm there, *they* at least will most probably have a good time, even if the band doesn't... :-) Alex. From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat Feb 24 05:44:01 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:44:01 +0100 Subject: HW: SR II ramblings Message-ID: Hello >For me, _Time We Left This World Today_ is the defining moment of >Space Ritual, Vol. 2 (...) You should listen to the TIME WE LEFT version (15 minutes long) on the NEW YORK, 25.11.1973 tape. I LOVE IT. Dave and Lemmy are playing their guitars like young gods. I have NEVER heard a better version!!!!! Bernhard From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 24 08:15:42 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:15:42 +0000 Subject: Imaginos: Black & Silver... In-Reply-To: <960223123651_330864241@emout07.mail.aol.com> from "Douglas A. Mitchell" at Feb 23, 96 12:36:51 pm Message-ID: > As far as the AOL boards and such, yes, there is alot of *love* for the > band there. Is this such a bad thing? I still like the music, after many > years away from it, and despite over-analysis, still can't find it in myself > to dislike ANY of it. I do believe it is possible to just plain enjoy > certain > band's styles. This is the source of my *love* for their music... > I guess I'm just one of those lemmings... =) > Granted, Al was a dominant & driving creative force within the band > during their incredible run. And as I haven't the slightest what the > underlying causes of their eventual separation might actually be, > keeping the whole "Imaginos money issue" aside, I choose not to > take up arms against either camp. I now find myself enjoying BOC > in it's present form, as well as Al's latest efforts with Deb on the > Brain Surgeons albums. I am allowed to appreciate all of it, aren't I? > No matter how you paint it, bashing is bashing is bashing... > Is this the BOC-AL? > So, I will weigh in favoring both Al & BOC, > and suffer the consequences... =) Oh, I can't really disagree on most of these points. Like the HW fans would say when Nikwind happened, "You can never have too many Hawkwind's!". So I'll take tBS and 3OC both, thanks! Yeah, we look at the statistics and we see that Al was a vital force in old BOC. But I pretty much like the new BOC material, and think it's better than anything on _RbN_ or _CN_ except perhaps "Take Me Away" which I think is really a good song. What _frustrates_ me about the current incarnation of BOC is that they've still got a lot of potential and they're just frittering it all away on the endless rehash tour. Hey, the shows are great, they play really well. But for one thing they've got a back catalog of incredible songs which they're only scratching the surface of--I mean, let's hear them open up with "Transmaniacon MC" or something :) Plus they just haven't come up with an albums worth of material, a fact I simply don't understand. I mean, the guys in there still have a lot of talent--that much is obvious. They still have the resources to do something interesting and cool, to go where BOC has never gone before. But they _don't_! I mean, what I wouldn't give to have the opportunities they have! Please, BOC, snap out of it. It'd be a shame to see them end with a whimper. Cheers, Carl From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Sat Feb 24 08:20:07 1996 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:20:07 +0000 Subject: HW: SR II ramblings -Reply Message-ID: although i appreciate the heartfelt sentiments, i' ve gotta admit that i think the world would be a poorer place without bring me the head..., for one, for the title; but mostly for in the egg and particularly for the "are also hatching our pencils" line ; sublime. So the sound quality's well ropey? so it goes: i was raised on cramps bootlegs, a place in which you develop eqs in y ears and do the filtering y'sen. andrew / (proudly) yuri >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See above.....and......he and Nik Turner were the main persons behing the shit releases like YURI GAGARIN, ACID DAZE, REDICULE, IN THE BEGINNING and many more dirt Bernhard <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 24 08:27:54 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:27:54 +0000 Subject: BOC: Re: Hot Rails to Hoboken In-Reply-To: <960223173553_331127250@mail06.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Feb 23, 96 05:35:55 pm Message-ID: > >Well, snap it back up - the line is "entrapped tombs" > > Ain't it "ant-track tools"? Didn't Al once confirm that? (Bizarre though it > seems?) I though I recalled "ant-track tools" as well ... Cheers, Carl From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Sat Feb 24 10:32:59 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 07:32:59 -0800 Subject: BOC: Re: Hot Rails to Hoboken Message-ID: At 01:27 PM 2/24/96 +0000, you wrote: >> >Well, snap it back up - the line is "entrapped tombs" >> >> Ain't it "ant-track tools"? Didn't Al once confirm that? (Bizarre though it >> seems?) > > I though I recalled "ant-track tools" as well ... And while we're at it.. In "Blue Oyster Cult", is it "When the skies become a scroll" or "...become a strobe"? Me, I always heard it as "strobe" which conjures up an interesting and hellish vision for me.. But I'm guessing its "scroll". Al? Either way, I'll continue to use "strobe" as I sing along on the freeway... _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Sat Feb 24 11:43:25 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:43:25 -0500 Subject: Hot Rails to Hoboken Message-ID: theo writes: >Right. But my own favorite moment comes a bit later in the song. >When Al speaks of 'a place where you can see relics of jewels...AND >AMTRAK TRAINS!' Well my jaw about hit the ground on that one. And >I've been a BOC/Al fan forever, but he's still able to freak me out, >seemingly at will. Al realizes that the appeal to us whackos is this >freaked-out, tripped-out stuff a lot more than 'Burnin' Wow and I really tried hard to articulate that one correctly, it's 'ant track tools' as in archeology. Al From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Sat Feb 24 12:19:06 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:19:06 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: Hot Rails to Hoboken Message-ID: >>>Well, snap it back up - the line is "entrapped tombs" >>Ain't it "ant-track tools"? Didn't Al once confirm that? >>(Bizarre though it seems?) >I though I recalled "ant-track tools" as well ... >Cheers, >Carl Maybe "half-baked fools?" or "hat-rack stools?" possibly "big fat drools?" If Al is confident that it's "entrapped tombs", I'm going to have to defer to his slightly higher authority on this question. I would think he would know... =) "I've lived upon the edge of chance, for twenty years or more..." The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Sat Feb 24 12:18:46 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:18:46 -0500 Subject: BOC: Imaginos: Black & Silver... Message-ID: Carl: >>As far as the AOL boards and such, yes, there is alot of *love* for the >>band there. Is this such a bad thing? I still like the music, after many >>years away from it, and despite over-analysis, still can't find it in myself >>to dislike ANY of it. I do believe it is possible to just plain enjoy certain >>band's styles. This is the source of my *love* for their music... >>I guess I'm just one of those lemmings... =) >>Granted, Al was a dominant & driving creative force within the band >>during their incredible run. And as I haven't the slightest what the >>underlying causes of their eventual separation might actually be, >>keeping the whole "Imaginos money issue" aside, I choose not to >>take up arms against either camp. I now find myself enjoying BOC >>in it's present form, as well as Al's latest efforts with Deb on the >>Brain Surgeons albums. I am allowed to appreciate all of it, aren't I? >>No matter how you paint it, bashing is bashing is bashing... >>Is this the BOC-AL? >>So, I will weigh in favoring both Al & BOC, >>and suffer the consequences... =) >Oh, I can't really disagree on most of these points. Like the HW >fans would say when Nikwind happened, "You can never have too >many Hawkwind's!". So I'll take tBS and 3OC both, thanks! >Yeah, we look at the statistics and we see that Al was a vital force >in old BOC. But I pretty much like the new BOC material, and think >it's better than anything on _RbN_ or _CN_ except perhaps "Take Me >Away" which I think is really a good song. Looks like we see pretty "eye to eye" here... >What _frustrates_ me about the current incarnation of BOC is that >they've still got a lot of potential and they're just frittering it all away >on the endless rehash tour. Hey, the shows are great, they play >really well. But for one thing they've got a back catalog of incredible >songs which they're only scratching the surface of--I mean, let's hear >them open up with "Transmaniacon MC" or something :) This is the one area that a few of us on AOL, that I would describe as the 'core group' of knowledgeable fans, work on constantly. You might call it a "love-in", but I would be more inclined to call it "moral support." We all want the very same thing you mention here. I'm guessing that they will add in 'The Vigil' before it's all said and done, as the latest line-up (new drummer John) get a better handle on more and more of the material. As evidence, I present a piece of an article I posted to the Buck Dharma folder on AOL: -On the subject of soundchecks, I've been procrastinating about sitting -down and recounting this... - -I headed down to the Ballard Firehouse for the 2/1 show pretty early, -arriving about 6:00 p.m., and setting up shop right next to the sound- -board. As I sat on my keister, watching Chris & company setting up -shop, I noticed a distinguished looking fellow wander into the building, -pickup a certain black guitar, and begin noodling around... - -For the next hour, I was treated to Buck messing around with his set- -up, ripping off little riffs, picking around a scale or two, and one blazing -section of about ten minutes where no one else in the building did any- -thing but listen. Listening intently, I picked up small but recognizable -pieces of specific songs. I distinctly heard: Reaper, Take Me Away, -Sweet Home Alabama (does Buck like Skynyrd?), and most definitely -what we on the alt.m.boc refer to as "Rosie's Guitar Thing", or the guitar -bridge in the middle of the Vigil. I just soaked it all in, realizing that I -was getting my $20 bucks (no pun intended) worth right there, -regardless of how the show went... - -As Chris & Woody attempted to isolate an enormous hum in the -house wiring, and Chris made cracks about how cold it was outside, -Buck finished his 'warm-up' with the first few measures from 'Hawaii -Five-O'. No kidding! Chris said "It's too cold for that,' and laughed... - -Just a little tidbit from your Seattle road reporter... =) At least Buck is ready to play it... =) >Plus they just haven't come up with an albums worth of material, >a fact I simply don't understand. I mean, the guys in there still have >a lot of talent--that much is obvious. They still have the resources to >do something interesting and cool, to go where BOC has never gone >before. But they _don't_! I mean, what I wouldn't give to have the >opportunities they have! Please, BOC, snap out of it. It'd be a >shame to see them end with a whimper. I'm willing to bet that they've got enough material floating around to pull together an album. As mere observers of the obvious, our speculation is based only upon what we've seen & heard at the most recent shows. There's more than likely a tune or two bouncing around in Buck's head. I'm also willing to bet that what they do produce will be "interesting and cool", at least to some of us... =) But yes, I must admit that I too have entertained thoughts of the band's fading into the sunset. I would like to think, based upon the energy that I've seen them give, night in and night out, to both the old & new material, that they've got it in them. it would be a damn shame to see them flame out like an English plane going boom... Here's to the new album, and the patience to wait for it... The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Sat Feb 24 12:26:17 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:26:17 -0500 Subject: BOC: Hot Rails to Hoboken Message-ID: Oops... >If Al is confident that it's "entrapped tombs", <--------------typo! >I'm going to have to defer to his slightly higher >authority on this question. I would think he would know... =) Sorry to misquote Al, I'm typing in a hurry, as the truck warms up and I head out for the mountains. Just another splendid day in the high country... The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Feb 24 13:46:37 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 18:46:37 +0000 Subject: Hot Rails to Hoboken In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Feb 24, 96 11:43:25 am Message-ID: > Wow and I really tried hard to articulate that one correctly, it's 'ant > track tools' as in archeology. I think the origin of the confusion lies not in the quality of the articulation, but in that both the correct phrase and the various suggestions are all so _weird_ that even if you hear "ant track tools" correctly, the mind refuses to process the aural information as is and spits out various alternatives ;) Cheers, Carl From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Feb 24 14:28:22 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:28:22 -0500 Subject: HW: SR II ramblings Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-24 05:45:38 EST, you write: >You should listen to the TIME WE LEFT version (15 minutes long) on the NEW >YORK, 25.11.1973 tape. I LOVE IT. Dave and Lemmy are playing their guitars >like young gods. > >I have NEVER heard a better version!!!!! > I agree, and I was THERE (second row center). regards, Bill Stewart From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Sat Feb 24 14:53:00 1996 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:53:00 -0500 Subject: BOC: Joey Cerisano Message-ID: Rich Hamel sez: >When I first heard the tune, I thought that the >vocal was a guest appearance by Ronny >James Dio!!!! You took the words right out of Torgo's mouth. The night I "discovered" that there was such an animal as Imaginos I was in a music store with a friend who is also a BOC fanatic (and on this list). We went in the store to look for a new BOC album because my friend had a dream that they had some new tunes out. We found two (2) cassettes of Imaginos and we each got one, leaving the store fresh out of Imaginos. I remember how we held onto them with death grips as we dashed to the register. Ahhhhhh, it was truly a magical moment. I remember us jamming to side one on the way home that night and commenting on how much we liked the album. I really fell in love with this album when the beginning of "Frankenstein" began pounding my cranium. Those god- pounding heavy drums mixed with the eerie, tinkling "weedly deedly" piano part blew me away. The vocals REALLY threw me for a loop though. I remember first thinking that it sounded like Al, simply because I knew it just *HAD* to be one of the BOC boys on vocals, but by the time the long, held "Fran-ken-steeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiin" parts came in I was convinced it was either Dio or Dio's little brother. I'm still not crazy about Roger's vocals. I say if Joey is available, teach him to play "Stun Guitar" and put him on the payroll. He's amazing. Torgo has left the building... From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat Feb 24 17:07:05 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 17:07:05 -0500 Subject: BOC: Joey Cerisano Message-ID: Torgo writes: "I say if Joey is available, teach him to play "Stun Guitar" and put him on the payroll. He's amazing." Guess you didn't read or quite understand the Joey post: At this point in time, Joey Cerisano doesn't need to be on ANYBODY's payroll. He's made more money as a singer than anyone in BOC ever has or ever will. From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sat Feb 24 18:32:40 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 23:32:40 GMT Subject: seeking HW trade In-Reply-To: Doug's message of Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:17:01 -0600 Message-ID: Hi Doug I can probably get you this one without too much trouble: > Hawklords Live CD > Did you want the DOJO or the Griffin version? Griffin has the pic disc - DOJO is the Euro (UK) issue. I know this is only your last 3rd choice but I've searched every vinyl shop in Edinburgh that I know of and have even gone through the C&D catalogue (recently received) and March's 'Record Collector' but there's no sign of either Text of Festival or the Space Rock from London CD. ToF will almost certainly appear somewhere eventually but there's no knowing when I'm afraid. Will you settle for Hawklords live? cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sat Feb 24 18:44:10 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 23:44:10 GMT Subject: HW: Italian CD + book Message-ID: I'm sure someone was trying to get hold of the Never Ending Story book + Italian CD. I've just seen it advertised for sale in the March edition of Record Collector (it's out early this time!) so if there is still an interest then let me know and I'll try and chase it up for you. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From chip at PCC.COM Sat Feb 24 19:49:24 1996 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 19:49:24 -0500 Subject: Power in the hands of fools In-Reply-To: <960223210341_331319326@emout07.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Feb 23, 96 09:03:42 pm Message-ID: > BTW, speaking of both kiddie porn and stock shots... Yes, speaking of! The other night, on national TV, I saw the shot of Albert and Ace used in the Child Abuse campaign. For those who don't know and may have seen it: there's a rather distributed picture of a child (Ace) being held by and adult (Al) and "swung" a little. You can only see Al's hands. The caption has something to do with "these hands" and child abuse. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From tori at PANIX.COM Sat Feb 24 20:42:04 1996 From: tori at PANIX.COM (Lurking Girl) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 20:42:04 -0500 Subject: Power in the hands of fools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Feb 1996, Chip Hart wrote: > The other night, on national TV, I saw the shot of Albert and > Ace used in the Child Abuse campaign. > > The caption has something to do with "these hands" and child abuse. I get to see this one all the time on the PATH trains...if anyone cares :) the whole sentence is "He's got his mother's eyes...and his father's fists." Tori (hapless commuter) From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat Feb 24 21:27:48 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 21:27:48 -0500 Subject: Power in the hands of fools Message-ID: Yeah, I was worried about that... I might just have to kill my brother (the photographer). And then we can be the poster people for Frater Abuse... DF From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Sun Feb 25 08:03:44 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 08:03:44 EST Subject: HW: SR 2 ramblings Message-ID: Greeting Hawksters! Bernhard wrote about the best version of "Time we left...". I agree with him concerning the NYC tape from 25.11.73, it's the ultimate version IMHO. Next time you trade tapes, choose that particular tape, you won't be dissapointed. Cheers Henrik From lansford at VNET.NET Sun Feb 25 15:04:44 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 20:04:44 GMT Subject: OTHER: Jackie Chan - Rumble in the Bronx In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, "Carl E. Anderson" wrote: >> For all you Jackie Chan fans out there. I got a chance to see an advanced >> screening of "Rumble in the Bronx" on Tuesday. IT WAS GREAT! Non-stop >> action with incredible fight scenes and amazing stunts. It also was absolutely >> HILARIOUS. > > Wow, did this see a mainstream theater release or something? Did >I, like, leave the States at the wrong moment? 'Fraid so, Carl. Saw it at a matinee today, and at one point I thought I was watching the recent HW tour. At least, the woman-in-cage-dancing-to-heavy- music-part.... Is it usual for Chan movies to show stunt outtakes at the end? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Political campaigns have about them the same excitement as a prizefight. Campaigns, however, are not nearly as orderly as professional boxing matches. - Ansolabehere and Iyengar -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From lansford at VNET.NET Sun Feb 25 15:09:10 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 20:09:10 GMT Subject: $$$$$ In-Reply-To: <199602231404.JAA29483@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, John A Swartz wrote: >Oh, one other tidbit for you to consider -- according to an interview >with Albert in Kerrang after Imaginos came out, Albert mentioned that >around '85 or '86 I believe, Sandy called HIM and told him that BOC >wanted to do Imaginos. In other words, yeah the band realized that >perhaps their creative well was drying up, and they needed to get some >of what they had when Albert was in the band back. Except that in an interview a couple of years later, EB said that he and Buck had gone along with doing Imaginos as a favor to Pearlman. Apparently, Columbia wasn't going to release it at all until they redid some of the vocals and offered it as part of BOC's contractual obligation. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Political campaigns have about them the same excitement as a prizefight. Campaigns, however, are not nearly as orderly as professional boxing matches. - Ansolabehere and Iyengar -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From RHamel4129 at AOL.COM Sun Feb 25 15:10:07 1996 From: RHamel4129 at AOL.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 15:10:07 -0500 Subject: BOC: An Interesting Find Message-ID: Hi Folks, I was at a wargaming convention this weekend and picked up an interesting find for $3 in the dealers room: a 750 piece puzzle of by Games Workshop called "Alien". It is the cover of the Cultosaurus Erectus album, the full picture (both the large head and the other 3 Cultosaurus' are part of the same picture). Anyone else seen this before? Rich From lansford at VNET.NET Sun Feb 25 15:14:45 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 20:14:45 GMT Subject: writing credits In-Reply-To: <199602231406.JAA28031@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Stephen Swann wrote: >Jean Lansford writes: > >> Based on Deb's and Al's past comments, Meltzer's lyrics were much more >> "finished" than Pearlman's, and it wasn't uncommon for Albert to clean >> up SP's words while putting them to music. > >Yes, that's true, but the point to be made here was that Pearlman/ >Meltzer et al received lyrics credits, not music credits. And my point was that SP and RM wouldn't have been alone in the lyric credit listing, and to divide them up would look more like "A. Bouchard/S. Pearlman & A. Bouchard". (Mere semantics, red.) -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Political campaigns have about them the same excitement as a prizefight. Campaigns, however, are not nearly as orderly as professional boxing matches. - Ansolabehere and Iyengar -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sun Feb 25 15:25:10 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 14:25:10 -0600 Subject: OTHER: Re: Jackie Chan - Rumble in the Bronx In-Reply-To: <3130bfaf.44287290@email2.vnet.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Feb 1996, Jean Lansford wrote: > Is it usual for Chan movies to show stunt outtakes at the end? Yes. Damon From irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU Sun Feb 25 18:30:32 1996 From: irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 17:30:32 -0600 Subject: BOC: An Interesting Find In-Reply-To: <960225151006_431268880@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "Rich Hamel" at Feb 25, 96 03:10:07 pm Message-ID: > I was at a wargaming convention this weekend and picked > up an interesting find for $3 in the dealers room: a 750 > piece puzzle of by Games Workshop called "Alien". > It is the cover of the Cultosaurus Erectus album, the > full picture (both the large head and the other 3 > Cultosaurus' are part of the same picture). > > Anyone else seen this before? Yes, I saw it in a toy store in a mall roughly 15 years ago. At the time, I had no idea of the relation, though it came back to me later when I bought CE. Always wished I had bought it.. -Bryan From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sun Feb 25 16:15:56 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 21:15:56 GMT Subject: HW: Capt Lockheed and the edits Message-ID: Just to confirm that the tracks on the Lord of Light compilation CD match precisely with their vinyl equivalents. Ejection only misses the "7 miligrams" (later known as "Starflight") countdown and this sorta counts as a separate track anyway I guess. jill obofftopic> and the skiing in Scotland is excellent just now 8-) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From stayer at PI.NET Sun Feb 25 15:31:30 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 12:31:30 PST Subject: HW: Nektar and Calvert Message-ID: >I've got a spare copy of the Nektar "Down To Earth" album that has Bob >Calvert as guest in case anyone is interested in expanding their vinyl >collection. But who has a /tape/ of Calvert playing with Nektar???? I know a 30 mins recording exists, but haven't been able to find it (yet?). Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sun Feb 25 16:42:33 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 13:42:33 PST Subject: writing credits Message-ID: > Who gets mentioned on the writing credits depends on band policy. >As was mentioned, the Doors shared all writing credits. In Tull, Ian >Anderson gets the writing credits almost exclusively, even though the >other band members will often contribute to the music. Band's policy, that's right. Beatles: Lennon / McCartney. Supertramp: Hodgson / Davies. In both cases, many of the songs were /not/ co-written by both composers. Some bands can make it very hard for others to determine who wrote what, until you know who writes how and in what style. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sun Feb 25 16:27:46 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 13:27:46 PST Subject: writing credits Message-ID: >> Take the Doors. All their early >> material was credited as being written by the >> whole band, while obviously Morrison was the >> key talent there. > Not necessarily true. "Light My Fire" was Krieger, > words and music, > except the keyboard intro which was written by, > uh, the keyboard player, > whatever his name was (M-something). Ray Manzarek. You've seen the movie, didn't you? :-) I think The Doors are a difficult example in the case of writing credits. Morrison could not play any instrument (he had a go on the harp, but that didn't work out too well; and he smashes a couple of piano keys once or twice). He did write the vocal melodies, so actually he provided the initial ideas for many songs. The rest of the band had to create the music around it. I don't know if Morrison had anything to say in this. Sometimes it was the other way around. Morrison appears to have written a couple of words from the second verse of 'Light My Fire'. 'Peace Frog' was an instrumental for quite a while, before Manzarek, Densmore and Krieger took one of Morrison's notebooks, and took out two poems that fit the music. So, it's hard to say Morrison was the key talent. Personally, I don't care too much. I listen to the music, love it. I read the lyrics, love it. (Not all, of course.) Now Al, obviously, was a greater talent, instrumentally. (Songwriting-wise, it's a matter of taste, I think.) He has knows to tell how the music sounds like, by playing it. In Al's case, writing credits are easier to determine. Jerry From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Feb 25 20:39:18 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 20:39:18 -0500 Subject: HW: Cd's Message-ID: On 23-FEB-1996 18:37:45.7 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> >>> 2. Lords of Light $13.99 ( new ) >>> >> >>A more interesting one. Worth getting if you are interested in >hearing >the Calvert and Turner tracks and haven't already got them >anywhere >else. The price is reasonable too. >> >>This is from the discog: >> >>1993 Lord of Light CD >> Lord of Light >> Seven by Seven >> Paradox >> You'd Better Believe It >> The Right Stuff (Calvert) >> Ejection (Calvert) >> The Weighing of the Heart and Negative Confession (Turner) >> >> >>> Thanks in advance for any info. >>> >> >>Hope this is useful! >> >>cheers >> >>jill >> Isn't this release actually LORD of Light, not to be confused with a seperate release LORDS of Light (which is...what again, a bootleg?)? Chuck `[1;32;41mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Sun Feb 25 20:37:00 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:37:00 CST Subject: seeking HW trade In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 24 Feb 1996 23:32:40 GMT from Message-ID: Hellow, >ToF will almost certainly appear somewhere eventually but there's no >knowing when I'm afraid. Will you settle for Hawklords live? I don't think so, although its something not in my collection it can be found here at domestic prices. Its just never been a priority purchase. I don't want to come off greedy, but this boot is very rare and not so cheap. Also its good sound and artwork is now considered my second best HW purchase in three years (CYM LP being first). So I really want to trade for something comparable. Besides SRfL and ToF, I would trade: HW Chaos video (NTSC) or BBC Radio One CD AND Hawklords Live CD. If you choose the latter buy the cheapest HLL. Or, since if have two extras for trade you can continue to look for the items I want. I would let you know if they we're no longer available. hope to hear from you soon. Doug From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Sun Feb 25 22:53:54 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:53:54 -0800 Subject: OTHER: Jackie Chan - Rumble in the Bronx Message-ID: Isn't there a Jackie Chan e-mail list? I'm a great J.Chan fan, but this is clogging up my downspout with stuff that has nothing to do with BOC, HW, or even music. SP From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Sun Feb 25 21:28:09 1996 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 20:28:09 -0600 Subject: HW gigs Message-ID: I visited a friend this weekend and he pulled out a box of Hawkstuff I don't think I'd been through before. I plan on posting a few articles from the 70's as soon as I find the time. Most are from Melody Maker, I did a similar thing about four years ago. Did someone save them? Anyway, I compared all his ticket stubs with the Warrior book and found one not mentioned. It may appear in Berhard's current list I hadn't checked. Rivoli Theater, Indianapolis, ID, 5/22/75. The only other show he didn't have a ticket stub (is was lost) was from 1974 at the Hammond Civic Center. He did get a nice poster of the Hall of the Moutain Grill cover and cool promo kit from UA. It contained a black and white 8 by 10 picture and a 3 page promo bio. He was unable to remember the exact date, but his guess was the end of November a few days from Thanksgiving holiday. Doug PS Sorry Bernhard, there's two more tapes you don't have. Please subtract 0.1275 from your kollector rating... From klaatu at NANDO.NET Mon Feb 26 00:18:18 1996 From: klaatu at NANDO.NET (klaatu) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 00:18:18 EST Subject: BOC: An Interesting Find Message-ID: >> I was at a wargaming convention this weekend and picked >> up an interesting find for $3 in the dealers room: a 750 >> piece puzzle of by Games Workshop called "Alien". >> It is the cover of the Cultosaurus Erectus album, the >> full picture (both the large head and the other 3 >> Cultosaurus' are part of the same picture). I think I saw this once as a poster, should of bought it . Did you ever look closely at the big picture & notice the little silver rocketship zooming horizontally across landscape near the bodies of the sauri? It really gives you a good perspective on just how large these aliens are suppose to be. From des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM Mon Feb 26 00:52:59 1996 From: des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM (E F) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 00:52:59 -0500 Subject: BOC: An Interesting Find In-Reply-To: <960225151006_431268880@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "Rich Hamel" at Feb 25, 96 03:10:07 pm Message-ID: > > Hi Folks, > > I was at a wargaming convention this weekend and picked > up an interesting find for $3 in the dealers room: a 750 > piece puzzle of by Games Workshop called "Alien". > It is the cover of the Cultosaurus Erectus album, the > full picture (both the large head and the other 3 > Cultosaurus' are part of the same picture). > > Anyone else seen this before? > > Rich I have a computer game called ORK that has the CE cover as it's cover only the image is mirrored. I t has the little spaceship flying past, but with no BOC symbol :-( Basically I bought the game for the box and was not surprised that there was nothing else BOC about the box, game or music. --Eric From stayer at PI.NET Mon Feb 26 10:27:52 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 07:27:52 PST Subject: OFF: Satriani / other guitarists Message-ID: >See Satriani's name come up in connection with Imaginos, >obviously, but didn't know he had anything to do with Deep Purple. I know >almost nothing of the band, so I'll just ask, was he playing in `Smoke on >the Water'? Or was this before/after his time? Satriani only finished the tour with DP after Blackmore left for the n-th time. >As for the man, well, I'm with Theo: good, but he ain't Buck. One >guitarist friend of mine thinks he's the best thing ever, but I just hear >a lot of notes that don't make music. Lots and lots of very skilful >notes, sure, but it kind of misses the point of the guitar... Count me in. Great technical skill, but a lack of emotion, as is with Vai, Tamas, Malmsteen. Er, /my/ opinion. >the only song I ever heard of his on the radio sounded all right. Can't >remember the title though. Anyway, my opinion. I have heard a few good songs as well. Can't remember them, so they weren't /that/ great. Anyone heard of Dutch band Bagheera? Lots of guitar (only one guitarist, but a lot of him), but with emotion. Could be described as progressive metal - a bit too heavy to be called progressive (symphonic) rock, to progressive to be plain metal. (Although "metal" sounds too heavy here.) Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Mon Feb 26 10:18:37 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 07:18:37 PST Subject: Imaginos :Black & Silver Message-ID: .. >>tBS, I think their music stands on its own merit easily, and .. >>ancient heavy band like BOC could actually work to his disadvantage! >I wouldn't think so. I mean, it's not as if BOC is remembered by so many >people out there - else us fans. Well, I'm not sure about the States, >but here in France the band has unfortunately completely fallen >into "Memory Oblivion", if you see what I mean... :( >And it seems it's pretty much the same thing elsewhere, judging >from what Stephen Swann says : >>BOC once had a "name" >>guitarist, back in the 70s when people had still heard of them Unfortunately, that's also the case in Holland. (I hear all you Americans go "Where?!?" - nah, not all.) It's that tiny little country where BOC only played a couple op times, and only up to 1978. It has to do something with record sales, I think. It's tough to see them play Germany a couple of times, and completely miss Holland - it's always a 5-hr drive at least. I'd do it, but it's still a long way. There are not many fans (not that I know of), but they are all fanatic. And that's fortunate. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Mon Feb 26 10:16:43 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 07:16:43 PST Subject: 1st BOC BBQ Message-ID: >>Some people have (or had) the Greatful Dead. Jean & I have BOC!!! >So what are dead-heads doing now that JG is gone? Brain Surgery? Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Mon Feb 26 10:14:43 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 07:14:43 PST Subject: Imaginos - The Bedtime Story... Message-ID: >> >For God's sake, let us sit upon the floor and tell bedtime >> >stories to the children of the damned .... >Just for the record, the "bedtime stories for the children of >the damned" is a ref to the Stephen King intro to the Imaginos >"Astronomy" single ... The LP version has a little extra on its cover, compared to the CD: a couple of lines, entitled 'A Bedtime Story For the Children of the Damned'. So, it's not only a SK intro. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Mon Feb 26 03:22:44 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 00:22:44 PST Subject: writing credits Message-ID: [Doors / Krieger / songwriting] >There was a good interview with Robbie in Guitar World a little while >back, and he said that Morrison [probably contrary to a lot of >preconceptions] always insisted that songwriting credits be >attributed to the whole band. Although this did change for, I think, >Soft parade. It had individual songwriting credits for two albums: The Soft Parade, and Morrison Hotel. Strange thing on the latter: Roadhouse Blues and Maggie M'Gill: Morrison / The Doors. Probably jams - I read in Densmore's book the lyrics were partly improvised during a live jam. There are (I know of) two versions, why the songwriting credits changed from collective to individual. First one (most popular) is that JM said he didn't want people think he wrote 'Tell All the People' (definitely not the best Doors song) - kind of negative. The other story is almost the same, but has a more positive feel about it - JM said he hated the fact that people always thought he was the one to write all the songs. >Jim liked the notion of band solidarity. I believe it worked like that. >I've always seen BOC as inheritors of at least part of >the Doors' mantle... Which Doors songs have BOC done live? Of course, Roadhouse Blues with verses of Soul Kitchen and Love Me Two Times. Joe Bouchard did a couple of lines from The Wasp: Texas Radio And The Big Beat during his bass solos sometimes. In a Morning Final I read BOC started some song with the LA Woman riff, but I've never heard it (yet). Any more? Jerry From RobM376 at AOL.COM Mon Feb 26 04:00:30 1996 From: RobM376 at AOL.COM (Robert Miller) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 04:00:30 -0500 Subject: BOC: An Interesting Find Message-ID: I want to see about getting one of those for myself From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Feb 26 07:00:04 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 07:00:04 -0500 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? Message-ID: i would call this disc a must-have.it nearly brought a tear to my eye. rj From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Mon Feb 26 08:58:52 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 05:58:52 -0800 Subject: 1st BOC BBQ Message-ID: At 07:16 AM 2/26/96 PST, you wrote: >>>Some people have (or had) the Greatful Dead. Jean & I have >BOC!!! >>So what are dead-heads doing now that JG is gone? >Brain Surgery? Phishing! _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon Feb 26 09:06:12 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:06:12 -0500 Subject: BOC: An Interesting Find In-Reply-To: from "klaatu" at Feb 26, 96 00:18:18 am Message-ID: klaatu writes: > > >> I was at a wargaming convention this weekend and picked > >> up an interesting find for $3 in the dealers room: a 750 > >> piece puzzle of by Games Workshop called "Alien". > >> It is the cover of the Cultosaurus Erectus album, the > >> full picture (both the large head and the other 3 > >> Cultosaurus' are part of the same picture). > > I think I saw this once as a poster, should of bought it . > Did you ever look closely at the big picture & notice the little silver > rocketship zooming horizontally across landscape near the bodies of the > sauri? It really gives you a good perspective on just how large these > aliens are suppose to be. If you go to an SF Con, it shouldn't be too hard to find a copy of this print. It's a pretty famous science fiction painting, and has been used for lots of things besides the cover of CE. Steve From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Feb 26 10:24:21 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:24:21 -0500 Subject: Hot Rails to Hoboken Message-ID: Wow and I really tried hard to articulate that one correctly, it's 'ant track tools' as in archeology. Al Well, see what happens when I try and rely on my memory? :-) Thanks Al for setting me straight on that. And thanks Deb for reposting the info on Joey Cerisano -- I'd forgotten about it, and probably passed it by when originally posted because I may have read it when I was supposed to be doin' other things. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Feb 26 10:36:14 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:36:14 -0500 Subject: writing credits Message-ID: Jerry says: >In a Morning Final I read BOC started some song with the LA Woman riff, but I've never heard it (yet) I assume that would be "Maserati GT" - check out OYFOOYK. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Feb 26 10:37:50 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:37:50 -0500 Subject: BOC: Joey Cerisano Message-ID: Torgo and Deb write: "I say if Joey is available, teach him to play "Stun Guitar" and put him on the payroll. He's amazing." At this point in time, Joey Cerisano doesn't need to be on ANYBODY's payroll. He's made more money as a singer than anyone in BOC ever has or ever will. Once again, as is the case with Al, I think it was more a question of BOC needing Joey Cerisano rather than the other way around. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Feb 26 10:40:33 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:40:33 -0500 Subject: 1st BOC BBQ Message-ID: Well, that would be interesting. BOC is rumoured to be planning an "on-line" appearance at the barbeque -- it would be a little ironic if The Brain Surgeons showed up to actually perform. Hey, if this trend continues, maybe BOC can open for the Brain Surgeons in a year or two. ;) John From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Feb 26 11:57:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:57:00 EST Subject: HW: Chaos Tape Address Message-ID: Could someone kindly post the address for ordering the Chaos tape and the cost, etc. again. I deleted it when I thought it was only coming out in PAL format. Now that somebody mentioned it was available in Never Twice the Same Color format and the reviews are encouraging, my interest has increased. Rudy From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Feb 26 12:08:11 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:08:11 +0000 Subject: For Allan Message-ID: Hi Allan, I've no idea why my mail isn't getting through. I guess I'll have to abuse the list until this is done. Anyway, here's the message that I sent on Jan 27th. Dave. ---- Start of forwarded text ---- > From daveb Sat Jan 27 14:44:49 1996 > > Hi Allan, > > Scott's tape arrived, thanks. I time the first three tracks at ~16 minutes, > and the MuloWind stuff at ~20 minutes. I guess the easiest thing to do > is to put the Alien Sex Fiend and the first three tracks of this tape onto > one side of a C60, and use the MuloWind as a filler for the other side. > Does that sound OK? Alternatively we could move one of the pieces from > Tape 3 onto this tape so that tape 3 will definitely fit on a C90 instead > of a C100. That would leave tape 1 as the only C100. > > Dave. > ---- End of forwarded text ---- From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Feb 26 12:15:12 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:15:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Cd's Message-ID: >>> 2. Lords of Light $13.99 ( new ) >>> > >>1993 Lord of Light CD >> Lord of Light >> Seven by Seven >> Paradox >> You'd Better Believe It >> The Right Stuff (Calvert) >> Ejection (Calvert) >> The Weighing of the Heart and Negative Confession (Turner) >> >But one question, Is the versions of The Right Stuff and Ejection the same >as on Captain Lockheed? Basically. I think they all note "single mix version" on the notes, but not sure if this signifies anything. The two Calvert ones are credited to Lockheed et al. The whole thing is quite worthwhile, though I usually skip Turner's TWotHaNC... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Feb 26 12:15:14 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:15:14 -0500 Subject: Hot Rails to Hoboken Message-ID: >theo writes: > >>Right. But my own favorite moment comes a bit later in the song. >>When Al speaks of 'a place where you can see relics of jewels...AND >>AMTRAK TRAINS!' Well my jaw about hit the ground on that one. And >>I've been a BOC/Al fan forever, but he's still able to freak me out, >>seemingly at will. Al realizes that the appeal to us whackos is this >>freaked-out, tripped-out stuff a lot more than 'Burnin' > >Wow and I really tried hard to articulate that one correctly, it's 'ant >track tools' as in archeology. >Al I thought it was an intentional thing to make it ambiguous. Comparing Amtrak trains to ant trails, as it were.... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Feb 26 12:59:45 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:59:45 EST Subject: writing credits Message-ID: > >I've always seen BOC as inheritors of at least part of > >the Doors' mantle... > Which Doors songs have BOC done live? Of course, Roadhouse Blues > with verses of Soul Kitchen and Love Me Two Times. Joe Bouchard > did a couple of lines from The Wasp: Texas Radio And The Big Beat > during his bass solos sometimes. > In a Morning Final I read BOC started some song with the LA Woman > riff, but I've never heard it (yet). > Any more? > > Jerry those are the only ones I've heard live. I haven't seen them in a couple of years. Not sure about the LA woman-esque song. I'll have to think on it. John would know, and he'd have an idea if BOC did other Doors tunes live. I based my remarks about similarity more on the overall feel of the two bands, less than on musical similarity. Obviously, BOC is much heavier. But, especially in the first 3 albums, there's a really dark feeling, intellectually challenging lyrics, along with a good dose of humor. The Doors poked fun at themselves and music in general quite often, and certainly so does BOC. And, though a lot of people [probably guitarists like me] think of BOC as a guitar band, don't forget the heavy emphasis on keyboards, certainly a connection to the Doors. Guitar-wise, Robbie and Buck are at opposite ends, seemingly, though 'Roadhouse' on ETL shows how well the two work together. I can't tell who is who. Anyone care to speculate if Buck is right or left channel on that one? theo From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 26 13:32:17 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:32:17 GMT Subject: seeking HW trade In-Reply-To: Doug's message of Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:37:00 CST Message-ID: > Hellow, > Hi I'd better admit to an error at this point - I'd forgotten completely that in my desperate Kollector's angst-driven intensity to put in a bid for anything worthwhile that's on offer that Johan had also offered to get hold of a Timeless Paens. However since I've offered you a trade I'll stay with it rather than leave you with extra stock on hand and I'll certainly keep looking round for stuff since an extra TP would be no problem for me to have! If you get a better offer you want to take up though - please go ahead and take it. > HW purchase in three years (CYM LP being first). So I really want to > trade for something comparable. Besides SRfL and ToF, I would trade: > HW Chaos video (NTSC) or BBC Radio One CD AND Hawklords Live CD. If you > choose the latter buy the cheapest HLL. > the BBC is certainly around but not, curiously!, the cheap Hawklords Live which for a while over Xmas was being flogged off at ridiculously cheap sale prices and has now disappeared! Typical. However I can order the Chaos video or keep checking round to see if ToF comes to light. It's one of the more likely ones to appear so I'll maybe wait a while to see. Let me know when you're tired of waiting and I'll rush out to gather the more accessible stuff. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Feb 26 13:35:26 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:35:26 GMT Subject: sorry! - ignore message to Doug please! Message-ID: Drat. The mail monster bit me after years of avoiding it. Doug's message wasn't supposed to come to the main list. apologies jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Feb 26 14:09:33 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:09:33 +0000 Subject: OFF: OTHER: Wall of Sleep/any boc-lers near Coventry? Message-ID: Got a reply to my letter I sent to the band Wall of Sleep today. They said their next gig was at Coventry University, March 9. Anyone on the list from around Coventry (ie. wants to go _and_ provide me crash space since if I went there'd probably be no way back to Cambridge until at least the next day :) Cool band, as I mentioned before. They recently replaced their original drummer with an ex-Cathedral drummer and have a new demo cassette available for 2 quid including postage (in the UK) for folks who want to check them out without risking the price of a CD. Cheers, Carl From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Feb 26 18:08:04 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:08:04 EST Subject: OFF: Bill of Rights sent to Whitehouse Message-ID: WARNING: V*E*R*Y off topic subject! Some of you may be aware that recent legislation has been enacted in the USA to enforce censorship on the Internet. Fewer of you may be aware that a group of US citizens are planning to SPAM the White House on February 29th with copies of the Bill of Rights, as a simultaneous protest and show of solidarity(?). The gist is, all volunteer participants send a single Email containing a brief introduction, followed by the Bill of Rights. Only one msg, very simple contents. It is unclear if anything other than crashing Bill Clinton's Mail server will come from this. However, this is a possibly painless way of showing civil disobedience. I do not encourage SPAM activities in any way. But if this bit of sophistry helps, then think of it as *you* are only sending a *single* Email to your elected leader, stating your opinion in very simple terms that *should* have some relevence to the matter at hand. Conveniently overlook the huge volume of Email that Bill will receive on the same day that you send your Email. (more and more apologies for the interruption!) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Feb 26 20:11:49 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:11:49 -0600 Subject: test Message-ID: Sorry 'bout this... haven't gotten mail all day, and I *know* I should have at least 30 in here from boc-l alone. Damon From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Tue Feb 27 06:13:21 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 06:13:21 EST Subject: HW: Records for sale. Message-ID: Hi Folks! I have some Hawkwind-records for sale but haven't checked what might be resonable prices for them. Where the condition is stated, records comes first and then sleeve. * Hawkwind - Hawkwind - lp - Sunset sls 50374 - mint/mint * Hawkwind - In search of space - lp - UA uag 29202 - ex+/good (no booklet) * Hawkwind - Doremi fasol latido - lp - UA uag 29364 - ex/mint * Hawkwind - Hall of the mountain grill - lp - UA uag 29672 - mint/mint * Hawkwind - Hawkwind - cd - One way s21 57658 - mint/mint * Hawkwind - In search of space - cd - One way cdll 57474 - mint/mint * Hawkwind - Doremi fasol latido - cd - One way cdll 57475 - mint/mint * Hawkwind - Hall of the mountain grill - cd - One way s21 57660 - mint/mint * Hawkwind - Space ritual alive - 2cd - One way s22 57659 - mint/mint Hope you find anything of interest and no trades, only cash please! All the best Henrik 100522.44 at compuserve.com From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Feb 27 06:43:31 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 06:43:31 -0500 Subject: TEST Message-ID: -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Feb 26 05:51:04 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:51:04 GMT Subject: HW: New York '73 Message-ID: In your message dated Saturday 24, February 1996 you wrote : > >NEW YORK, 25.11.1973 > > > I agree, and I was THERE (second row center). > regards, > Bill Stewart > Oh aged and venerable one! I didn't see my first Hawkwind gig until '78. It was the third gig I ever went to. I'd have been 13 at the time. Strangely enough , I remember being not so impressed at the time, especially compared to my first and second gigs, The Members and Buzzcocks. My first Stonehenge was still four years away.... -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ 25 years of social reform, ain't gonna make me change or make me conform. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Feb 27 07:59:14 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 07:59:14 EST Subject: What up? Message-ID: Yo! Did I finally get kicked off the list? Received no mail yesterday, not even stuff I posted to list. Anyone else have problems with BOC-L? theo From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Tue Feb 27 09:36:46 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 09:36:46 -0500 Subject: No Mail From BOC-L In Last 48 Hours? Message-ID: Is the server down? Have I been removed from the list for editorial purposes? Please inform... The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Feb 27 10:16:09 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:16:09 -0500 Subject: $$$$$ Message-ID: And here's a tidbit for =you=: what EB says frequently has little, if any, relation to the truth. From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Tue Feb 27 10:42:54 1996 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 07:42:54 -0800 Subject: OFF: Amon Duul with Robert Calvert Message-ID: I just picked up Amon Duul's _Die Losung_ with special guest Robert Calvert. Does anyone know if he did any more than just sing on Urban Indian? That's the onlypart that I can identify his voice. Did he do any other work with Amon Duul? -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome "Experience is something you don't get until after you need it." -Olivier From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Feb 27 11:17:55 1996 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:17:55 -0500 Subject: ADMIN: Test message Message-ID: This is a test message to confirm that listserv processing is taking place. Please ignore this message. YnSSHM, Ben From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Feb 27 12:05:42 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 17:05:42 GMT Subject: OFF: Bill of Rights sent to Whitehouse In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:08:04 EST Message-ID: cjohnson writes: > WARNING: V*E*R*Y off topic subject! > > Some of you may be aware that recent legislation has been enacted > in the USA to enforce censorship on the Internet. Fewer of you may > be aware that a group of US citizens are planning to SPAM the White > House on February 29th with copies of the Bill of Rights, as a > simultaneous protest and show of solidarity(?). Wouldn't it be more effective to wait until the Election and all vote Libertarian? They've made it quite clear that they're utterly opposed to any censorship at all, on the Net or off it. > Captain Cloud FoFP From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Feb 27 12:22:38 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:22:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: Amon Duul with Robert Calvert In-Reply-To: <199602271542.HAA03169@linda.teleport.com> from "Kevin Haskel Rubin" at Feb 27, 96 07:42:54 am Message-ID: > > I just picked up Amon Duul's _Die Losung_ with special guest Robert Calvert. > Does anyone know if he did any more than just sing on Urban Indian? That's > the onlypart that I can identify his voice. > > Did he do any other work with Amon Duul? > > -kevin > > -- > Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager > gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative > http://www.teleport.com/~gnome > "Experience is something you don't get until after you need it." -Olivier > Not sure, I think he sang on several tracks. But, some of that spacey guitar and synth work are courtesy of Ed and Joie of the Ozrics (hint, they are billed as "Ed and Joie Ozric", get it? Get it??). -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Tue Feb 27 12:38:34 1996 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 09:38:34 -0800 Subject: OFF: Amon Duul with Robert Calvert In-Reply-To: <9602271722.AA16141@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> from "Craig Shipley" at Feb 27, 96 12:22:38 pm Message-ID: > > I just picked up Amon Duul's _Die Losung_ with special guest Robert Calvert. > > Does anyone know if he did any more than just sing on Urban Indian? That's > > the onlypart that I can identify his voice. > > Did he do any other work with Amon Duul? > Not sure, I think he sang on several tracks. But, some of that spacey guitar > and synth work are courtesy of Ed and Joie of the Ozrics (hint, they are > billed as "Ed and Joie Ozric", get it? Get it??). Yeah, I saw the Ozrics listed, and thought about the Ozrics, but none of my Ozrics CDs have last names, so I didn't know it was the same people. I didn't realize there were people in Ozric Tentacles named "Ozric". My Amon Duul one, though, lists Joey, not Joie. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome "Experience is something you don't get until after you need it." -Olivier From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Feb 27 12:57:55 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:57:55 -0500 Subject: $$$$$ Message-ID: >And here's a tidbit for =you=: what EB says frequently has little, if any, relation to the truth. Perhaps, but my point was not about what EB said - my point was about what Albert said in a magazine interview -- that either the band or Pearlman contacted HIM in '85 or '86 because the band wanted to do Imaginos as a BOC album. I was trying to point out another example to the fact that the BOC only became interested in the project after the commercial failures of RBN and (probably, depending when Albert was approached) CN. John From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Feb 27 13:33:26 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:33:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: Amon Duul with Robert Calvert In-Reply-To: <199602271738.JAA10686@linda.teleport.com> from "Kevin Haskel Rubin" at Feb 27, 96 09:38:34 am Message-ID: > > > > I just picked up Amon Duul's _Die Losung_ with special guest Robert Calvert. > > > Does anyone know if he did any more than just sing on Urban Indian? That's > > > the onlypart that I can identify his voice. > > > Did he do any other work with Amon Duul? > > > Not sure, I think he sang on several tracks. But, some of that spacey guitar > > and synth work are courtesy of Ed and Joie of the Ozrics (hint, they are > > billed as "Ed and Joie Ozric", get it? Get it??). > > Yeah, I saw the Ozrics listed, and thought about the Ozrics, but none of my > Ozrics CDs have last names, so I didn't know it was the same people. I > didn't realize there were people in Ozric Tentacles named "Ozric". My Amon > Duul one, though, lists Joey, not Joie. > > -kevin > > -- > Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager > gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative > http://www.teleport.com/~gnome > "Experience is something you don't get until after you need it." -Olivier > They aren't named Ozric. Ed is Ed Wynne and Joie (Joey?) is Joie Hinton. But the playing is most definitly Ozric-ish. One track (can't remember the name) sounds so much like an OT-outake, it's scary. -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Feb 27 13:36:39 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:36:39 +0100 Subject: Original Imaginos & the other parts too Message-ID: >I don't know. Lines like "C'mon C'mon, everybody is praying" and "the >stations of night" and "there's a new day breaking" could fit it -- to >me it seems like it would be at a point in time where Les Invisibles >have basically brainwashed mankind... ...blah blah blah.=20 John -do you really think this is true yourself? Isn=B4t it just a lot of quasi-semi-mumbo-jumbo-something? I don=B4t even think you have one single interesting point in your= argumentation -it=B4s just stupid. ;-) -Daniel Wikdahl=20 Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a 392 36 KALMAR 0480-245 11 From stayer at PI.NET Tue Feb 27 22:13:43 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:13:43 PST Subject: BOC: Ripper demo Message-ID: While (re-re-re-)configuring a friend's computer, and testing his CD-ROM, I ran into a demo of The Ripper. I saw someone mentioning it on BOC-L before, but now really had a chance to see it. The demo showed some flashes of pictures on the music of '(Don't Fear) The Reaper'. Credits: 'music from the Blue Oyster Cult', O without umlaut. I wonder what other songs they will be using. I think it's going to be an interesting game. I'm very interested in the complete game, of course. Does anyone know something about the release date? Jerry From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Feb 27 16:51:48 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 21:51:48 +0000 Subject: $$$$$ In-Reply-To: <960227101609_432756809@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Feb 27, 96 10:16:09 am Message-ID: > And here's a tidbit for =you=: what EB says frequently has little, if any, > relation to the truth. After rebellion, but .... ;) Well, I should say that EB has of course never lied to me, since he hasn't spoken to me :) (Wait, no! He said in '92 that there's be an album of new material out in Spring of '93! Damn! There goes that theory ...) Cheers, Carl From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Feb 27 22:13:52 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 22:13:52 -0500 Subject: OFF: GONG Message-ID: Usually reliable sources are now reporting that Tim Blake will do the Bottom Line shows in NYC 3/8. They seem pretty sure of this:-). Anyone hear anything? regards, Bill Stewart From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Feb 28 00:22:43 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 00:22:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: GONG In-Reply-To: <960227221351_155200387@emout08.mail.aol.com> from "Bill Stewart" at Feb 27, 96 10:13:52 pm Message-ID: > > Usually reliable sources are now reporting that Tim Blake will do the Bottom > Line shows in NYC 3/8. They seem pretty sure of this:-). Anyone hear > anything? > regards, > Bill Stewart > All I know is that the Odeon (Cleveland) concert line is saying the lineup includes Tim Blake, but I was thinking that was probably out-of-date information. Maybe not....let's hope Hi T is actually on the tour!! Keith H. From richard.cummings at NOR.MKL.COM Wed Feb 28 01:37:00 1996 From: richard.cummings at NOR.MKL.COM (RICHARD CUMMINGS) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 01:37:00 -0500 Subject: seeing how the other half lives Message-ID: I originally joined this for BOC and was introduced to tBS shortly there after (thank's Torgo). So when I stumbled across a HW cd I couldn't resist my curiosity. It's a 4-song cd titled *Quark, Strangeness & Charm*. I really like the title track but the rest seems a bit on the "techno" side for me. Is this cd a good example of HW or did I waste my money? If it's not, can anyone out there throw me a bisquit and name some cd's that might be found in the heart of up-state NY. OFF: For the last 2 days I've been running around singing "Poodle bites, Poodle chews it". Thanks bunches, Torgo! RPC From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Feb 28 09:35:40 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 14:35:40 +0000 Subject: seeing how the other half lives In-Reply-To: <8BBA061.0001000C8C.uuout@nor.mkl.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, RICHARD CUMMINGS wrote: > I originally joined this for BOC and was introduced to tBS shortly > there after (thank's Torgo). So when I stumbled across a HW cd > I couldn't resist my curiosity. > > It's a 4-song cd titled *Quark, Strangeness & Charm*. > I really like the title track but the rest seems a bit on the > "techno" side for me. Is this cd a good example of HW or did I > waste my money? If it's not, can anyone out there throw me a bisquit > and name some cd's that might be found in the heart of up-state NY. > I'm also on the list mainly for BOC. I don't know the 4-song CD you mention, but Hawkwind released an album called Quark, Strangeness and Charm back in the seventies. I'd describe it as quirky sci-fi rock with some of the best lyrics you'll ever hear. Hawkwind have made some great records and some terrible records, but the original Q,S & C is one of the best. Dave From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Feb 28 09:52:21 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:52:21 -0500 Subject: seeing how the other half lives Message-ID: > >It's a 4-song cd titled *Quark, Strangeness & Charm*. >I really like the title track but the rest seems a bit on the >"techno" side for me. The "Uncle Sam" remixes are not at all typical - but if you like that version of "Quark", try checking out _The Business Trip_ CD from which it's taken. The original "Uncle Sam", which is a hard-driving rock number, is on the _PXR5_ album from 1979. There's an awful lot of HW back catalogue, some very good, some very bad - but not everyone agrees on which is which... :) - Andy From Niko.Makila at CSC.FI Wed Feb 28 09:59:42 1996 From: Niko.Makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:59:42 +0200 Subject: seeing how the other half lives Message-ID: RPC's message dated: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 01:37:00 EST > > It's a 4-song cd titled *Quark, Strangeness & Charm*. > I really like the title track but the rest seems a bit on the > "techno" side for me. Is this cd a good example of HW or did I > waste my money? If it's not, can anyone out there throw me a bisquit > and name some cd's that might be found in the heart of up-state NY. The title track is the most HW'ish one there and straight off of "Business Trip", which you should get too. And then all the other albums... I have to admit that I quite like the techno version of Uncle Sam's on Mars, although I usually dislike that kind of music. > OFF: For the last 2 days I've been running around singing > "Poodle bites, Poodle chews it". Snap it! //niko ObCD: M. A. Numminen Goes Tech-No From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Wed Feb 28 10:55:14 1996 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 07:55:14 -0800 Subject: seeing how the other half lives In-Reply-To: <8BBA061.0001000C8C.uuout@nor.mkl.com> from "RICHARD CUMMINGS" at Feb 28, 96 01:37:00 am Message-ID: > It's a 4-song cd titled *Quark, Strangeness & Charm*. > I really like the title track but the rest seems a bit on the > "techno" side for me. Is this cd a good example of HW or did I > waste my money? If it's not, can anyone out there throw me a bisquit > and name some cd's that might be found in the heart of up-state NY. The title track is straight Hawkwind, but the techno stuff isn't at all typical. That's remixed by someone else (Astralasia?). Some good examples would start with _Space Ritual_ or _Chronicle of the Black Sword_ but others would likely suggest something else. There's a full CD called _Quark Strangeness and Charm_ which is mostly like the first song, and shouldn't be confused with the 4-song one of the same name. It's good, too. There's a huge variety in Hawkwind music over the years, but the one you got isn't real typical of most of their other stuff. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome "Experience is something you don't get until after you need it." -Olivier From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Feb 28 11:25:09 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:25:09 -0500 Subject: seeing how the other half lives Message-ID: >> It's a 4-song cd titled *Quark, Strangeness & Charm*. >> I really like the title track but the rest seems a bit on the >The title track is straight Hawkwind I have to disagree with the opinions so far. QSC sucks the big one IMO. The lyrics are so stupid as to make you cringe and the music borders on disco. When they released this song, I gave up on Hawkwind for nearly eight years. >There's a huge variety in Hawkwind music over the years Damn right :-). To new hawkwindies, I would recommend Space Ritual, Live Chronicles and Palace Springs 2c Martyn From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Feb 28 11:26:02 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:26:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bill of Rights sent to Whitehouse In-Reply-To: <9602261808.A13711@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Feb 26, 96 06:08:04 pm Message-ID: Captain Cloud writes: > Some of you may be aware that recent legislation has been enacted > in the USA to enforce censorship on the Internet. Fewer of you may > be aware that a group of US citizens are planning to SPAM the White > House on February 29th with copies of the Bill of Rights, as a > simultaneous protest and show of solidarity(?). > > The gist is, all volunteer participants send a single Email > containing a brief introduction, followed by the Bill of Rights. > Only one msg, very simple contents. It is unclear if anything > other than crashing Bill Clinton's Mail server will come from this. > However, this is a possibly painless way of showing civil > disobedience. Technically this is not a SPAM. It's a (variant of) mailbombing. It would be a SPAM each person sent his or her mailing to dozens of different people. I can only presume the likely outcome of this "protest" will be for the White House to remove themselves from e-mail contact with the general public; maybe permanently. It's a pity, actually. It'll result in less communication between government and the people instead of more. But I guess it would demonstrate that Internet users can be knee-jerk morons just like everyone else, though (except more high-tech). IMHO, I think it's better for the large corporations and civil liberties groups that've decided to fight this through the courts to vigorously do so. (Use their own system against them.) Either that or determine if your elected representative voted for this bill, and if so, show your disapproval through the ballot box (not that I can do that in my case, of course). Gee, what smart idea will they have next---all of us burning our modems in protest? I think the idea of voicing concern is a good one, but I think mailbombing is a particularly lame method to choose as an implementation. (It's not debate; it's the e-mail way of shouting someone down.) Followups to various appropriate newsgroups and forums... Cheers, Paul (erstwhile TA for a computer ethics class, who had to wade through numerous undergraduate term papers on Internet censorship, etc.) obCD: Frank Zappa, _You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Vol. 2_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Wed Feb 28 11:30:40 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:30:40 EST Subject: HW: seeing how the other half lives Message-ID: >I originally joined this for BOC and was introduced to tBS shortly >there after (thank's Torgo). So when I stumbled across a HW cd >I couldn't resist my curiosity. >It's a 4-song cd titled *Quark, Strangeness & Charm*. >I really like the title track but the rest seems a bit on the >"techno" side for me. Is this cd a good example of HW or did I >waste my money? If it's not, can anyone out there throw me a bisquit >and name some cd's that might be found in the heart of up-state NY. >OFF: For the last 2 days I've been running around singing >"Poodle bites, Poodle chews it". Thanks bunches, Torgo! >RPC Lechmere (at least in Syracuse) has In Search of Space and It Is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous. Borders has had the Quark Strangeness and Charm *ALBUM* not EP at various times. Media Play has the Acid Daze CDs in their import section. Brian "Good morning your highness. I've brought you your snowshoes." -Zappa From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Feb 28 11:37:15 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:37:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bill of Rights sent to Whitehouse In-Reply-To: <9602271705.aa13593@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "M Holmes" at Feb 27, 96 05:05:42 pm Message-ID: Mike Holmes writes: > Wouldn't it be more effective to wait until the Election and all vote > Libertarian? They've made it quite clear that they're utterly opposed to > any censorship at all, on the Net or off it. I have a recollection that in the preface to his book, _Natural Law_, Robert Anton Wilson claimed that there were lots of libertarians crying out for the book to be banned or removed from print. I also understand he has been the target of libertarian censorship and angst over the years. Feel free to ignore this. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _Superseeder_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Feb 28 12:11:45 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:11:45 -0500 Subject: seeing how the other half lives In-Reply-To: <9602281625.AA00904@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Feb 28, 96 11:25:09 am Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > > >> It's a 4-song cd titled *Quark, Strangeness & Charm*. > >> I really like the title track but the rest seems a bit on the > > >The title track is straight Hawkwind > > I have to disagree with the opinions so far. QSC sucks the big > one IMO. The lyrics are so stupid as to make you cringe and the music > borders on disco. When they released this song, I gave up on Hawkwind > for nearly eight years. Martyn - I feel the same way as you about the title track from "QS&C". But the version on _The Business Trip_ (which, from what people have been saying, is the same as the version on the 4 song CD that the original poster was asking about) is actually quite good! It sounds *radically* different than the studio version. > >There's a huge variety in Hawkwind music over the years > > Damn right :-). To new hawkwindies, I would recommend > Space Ritual, Live Chronicles and Palace Springs I agree, especially the first 2. ;-) Steve From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Feb 28 12:27:06 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 18:27:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD Message-ID: Hi everybody!=20 My mailprogram hasn=B4t worked correctly for a couple of days so I don=B4t= know=20 if you allready have seen this chainletter -my appologies if you have... -Daniel Wikdahl >>>>>> > Please read and forward to as many people and as quickly as= possible. >>>>>> > >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------= > >>>>Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 12:44:59 +0000 >>>>>> > Subject: The Plan - Do This on February 29 *IMPORTANT* >>>>>> > Priority: urgent >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > To whomever may read this, >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > This is not a typical chain letter, in that by passing it on to as >>>>>> > many people as you can, you are taking part in what may yet become= the >>>>>> > world's biggest practical joke. The U.S. Government has recently >>>>>> > passed an act which enforces censorship on the internet. A group= of >>>>>> > internet users has now come together to kick back at this= oppression, >>>>>> > and have a bit of fun at the same time. The aim of this exercise= is >>>>>> > to re-establish the United States as "The land of the Free", not a >>>>>> > fascist state where freedom of speech and thought are curtailed. >>>>>> > Communist Russia fell as a result of such limits being placed upon >>>>>> > the minds of the general populus. On receiving this letter, please >>>>>> > pass it on to as many friends or E-mail lists as you can. We= predict >>>>>> > that if everybody copies the letter to 5 other addresses, by= February >>>>>> > 29th 1996, this letter should have reached in excess of 2 million >>>>>> > people. That's when the fun begins........ On February 29th,= please >>>>send the >>>>>> > following message which includes a copy of the Bill of rights. By= =20 >>sending >>>>>> > the letter on the above date, you will contribute to either one= huge >>>>>> > petition for freedom, or else lead to a crash of the whitehouse server. >>>>>> > Send all letters to: President at Whitehouse.gov >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > Remember that solidarity is the key to success !!!!! >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > Dear Mr. President, >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > Do you remember this: >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > THE BILL OF RIGHTS >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > Amendment I >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of= religion, or >>>>>> > prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of >>>>>> > speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to >>>>>> > assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of= grievances. >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > Amendment II >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a= free >>>>>> > state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be >>>>>> > infringed. >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > Amendment III >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house,= without >>>>>> > the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to= be >>>>>> > prescribed by law. >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > Amendment IV >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, >>>>>> > papers, and >>>>>> > effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be >>>>>> > violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, >>>>>> > supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the >>>>>> > place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > Amendment V >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise >>>>>> > infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand= jury, >>>>>> > except >>>>>> > in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia,= when >>>>>> > in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any >>>>>> > person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy= of >>>>>> > life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a >>>>>> > witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or >>>>>> > property, without due process of law; nor shall private property= be >>>>>> > taken for public use, without just compensation. >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > Amendment VI >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to= a >>>>>> > speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and >>>>>> > district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which= district >>>>>> > shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed= of >>>>>> > the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the >>>>>> > witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining >>>>>> > witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for= his >>>>>> > defense. >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > Amendment VII >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall= exceed >>>>>> > twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and= no >>>>>> > fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court= of >>>>>> > the United States, than according to the rules of the common law. >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > Amendment VIII >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed,= nor >>>>>> > cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > Amendment IX >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not= be >>>>>> > construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. >>>>>> > =20 >>>>>> > Amendment X >>>>>> >=20 >>>>>> > The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,= nor >>>>>> > prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states >>>>>> > respectively, or to the people. > > > Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a 392 36 KALMAR 0480-245 11 From stayer at PI.NET Tue Feb 27 23:50:42 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 20:50:42 PST Subject: BOC: beers Message-ID: >There will definitely be more than coffee served! >This will be the public debut of the highly regarded BOC beers... >Buck's Blazing Bitter >Eric's Extraterrestrial Elixir >Allen's Alien Ale >Danny's Death Valley Dark Would there be any chance to import those into Holland? That'd be interesting! >Personally, I'd be thrilled to see the Brain Surgeons perform live, as >I am a left coaster all the way, and have very little occasion to travel >to the Northeast, where you live, work & play. Please contact Charlie >if you are at all serious about your offer... I'd be thrilled to see tBS play Europe! (And BOC too, for that matter.) I'm a left-coaster as well, regarding the European continent. :-( I mean, Europe is :-), but being a European and waiting to see American bands play live is :-(. > "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." I know the feeling :-) Jerry From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Feb 28 12:36:09 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:36:09 +0000 Subject: Address for Charles the Grinning Boy In-Reply-To: <9602281637.AA00315@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Message-ID: Does anyone (Jason, Tim?) have the address for Charlie Grant? I've lost it and need to get in touch. Dave Hardman PS. How come the mail volume has suddenly gone from gigantic to near-zero? From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 28 12:47:46 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:47:46 GMT Subject: OFF: Bill of Rights sent to Whitehouse In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:37:15 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > Mike Holmes writes: > > > Wouldn't it be more effective to wait until the Election and all vote > > Libertarian? They've made it quite clear that they're utterly opposed to > > any censorship at all, on the Net or off it. > > I have a recollection that in the preface to his book, _Natural Law_, > Robert Anton Wilson claimed that there were lots of libertarians > crying out for the book to be banned or removed from print. I also > understand he has been the target of libertarian censorship and angst > over the years. I'm somewhat gobsmacked even by the *concept* of a libertarian demanding any sort of censorship. You definately mean "libertarian" and not "liberal". I'm an RAW fan of sorts, though I haven't read that book and understand that it's different from his other writing. What's in it that's so bad even a libertarian would cry out the dogs of censorship? It must be something pretty amazing. > > Feel free to ignore this. Inquiring minds want to know. FoFP From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Feb 28 13:15:51 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:15:51 -0500 Subject: Address for Charles the Grinning Boy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Hardman DK wrote: > Does anyone (Jason, Tim?) have the address for Charlie Grant? I've lost > it and need to get in touch. I recall that Charlie lost his e-mail access a short while ago. > PS. How come the mail volume has suddenly gone from gigantic to near-zero? So it goes... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Feb 28 13:43:15 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 18:43:15 +0000 Subject: seeing how the other half lives In-Reply-To: <8BBA061.0001000C8C.uuout@nor.mkl.com> from "RICHARD CUMMINGS" at Feb 28, 96 01:37:00 am Message-ID: > I originally joined this for BOC and was introduced to tBS shortly > there after (thank's Torgo). So when I stumbled across a HW cd > I couldn't resist my curiosity. > It's a 4-song cd titled *Quark, Strangeness & Charm*. > I really like the title track but the rest seems a bit on the > "techno" side for me. Is this cd a good example of HW or did I > waste my money? In a word: no :) About it being a good example, anyway. Whether you wasted your money or not is a more complex question. As I recall the CD EP, "QS&C" (the song) is quite good and representative, but the rest is _not_. > If it's not, can anyone out there throw me a bisquit > and name some cd's that might be found in the heart of up-state NY. Who can say what lurks in up-state NY (especially from the other side of the pond) but I generally recommend _Space Ritual_ (2CD), _Hall of the Mountain Grill_, and _Palace Springs_ as good starting points for a new Hawkwindnaut. I'd add that a good summary of early Hawkwind that can usually be found in the States is _Psychedelic Warlords (Best of)_ on the Cleopatra label. It's also worth repeating the usual transition albums recommended for BOC fans: _Levitation_, _Chronicle of the Black Sword_, and _Live Chronicles_. I'd also recommend looking at an on-line mail-order service, which would avoid the idiosyncrasies of local selection and might well be cheaper. Cheers, Carl From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Feb 28 13:46:36 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:46:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: Bill of Rights sent to Whitehouse In-Reply-To: <9602281747.aa03707@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, M Holmes wrote: > I'm somewhat gobsmacked even by the *concept* of a libertarian demanding > any sort of censorship. You definately mean "libertarian" and not > "liberal". Yes, I definitely mean libertarian and not liberal. I remember it because it struck me as being so ironic. > I'm an RAW fan of sorts, though I haven't read that book and understand > that it's different from his other writing. What's in it that's so bad > even a libertarian would cry out the dogs of censorship? It must be > something pretty amazing. Please forgive me for not being able to remember harsh specifics, as it was a long time ago that I read that book, and my copy is overseas in the UK, so I can't check. Anyway, from what I remember, the book evolved out of a debate on the concept of "Natural Law" in some journal. The publishers and readership were incensed by Wilson's thesis that there's no such thing as "natural law" and we all form our own world-views (realities) which we then (unwittingly) press on others through mechanisms as simple as language, conversation, etc. Through various examples, Wilson put forward the idea that there is no real difference between the ultra left and the ultra right (this is where the libertarians come in), in that each has their own agenda they try and force on everyone else. They may deny this in various ways, but the fact remains that they earnestly wish people thought like them (fit into their reality tunnel) and, like all people, work towards enforcing their reality tunnel on their environment; they are as bad as those they decry, in essence. I think this got the libertarians very steamed up and angry; they felt that "one of their own" (though RAW always denies being a libertarian) should not be saying things like this. Actually, "Natural Law" is fairly typical of RAW's writing, dealing, as it does, with his recurrent ontological themes of reality and reality construction. It is perhaps more political than, say, "Cosmic Trigger" et al. Sorry this is so off-topic. I hope the "OFF" keyword has been implemented. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Feb 28 13:55:36 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:55:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD In-Reply-To: <199602281727.SAA20153@mcfs1.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Daniel Wikdahl forwarded: > >>>>>> > This is not a typical chain letter, in that by passing it on to as > >>>>>> > many people as you can, you are taking part in what may yet become the > >>>>>> > world's biggest practical joke. The U.S. Government has recently > >>>>>> > passed an act which enforces censorship on the internet. A group of > >>>>>> > internet users has now come together to kick back at this oppression, > >>>>>> > and have a bit of fun at the same time. The aim of this exercise is > >>>>>> > to re-establish the United States as "The land of the Free", not a > >>>>>> > fascist state where freedom of speech and thought are curtailed. > >>>>>> > Communist Russia fell as a result of such limits being placed upon > >>>>>> > the minds of the general populus. On receiving this letter, please > >>>>>> > pass it on to as many friends or E-mail lists as you can. We predict > >>>>>> > that if everybody copies the letter to 5 other addresses, by February > >>>>>> > 29th 1996, this letter should have reached in excess of 2 million > >>>>>> > people. That's when the fun begins........ On February 29th, please > >>>>send the > >>>>>> > following message which includes a copy of the Bill of rights. By > >>sending > >>>>>> > the letter on the above date, you will contribute to either one huge > >>>>>> > petition for freedom, or else lead to a crash of the whitehouse > server. This is the biggest load of illogical nonsense I've read in a long while! I can only wonder at what they hope to achieve by this. The Communications Decency Act is a serious issue, and not one that should be addressed via a "practical joke." It may turn out that the joke's on them (heheh.. subliminal BOC-L content:)... Hey, why don't we all protest against police and fire service underfunding by calling in as many 911 false alarms as we can? :-\ Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Feb 28 14:52:57 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 14:52:57 -0500 Subject: OFF : Who's Robert Anton Wilson? In-Reply-To: <378@comics.demon.co.uk> from "Jon Browne" at Feb 3, 96 12:17:17 pm Message-ID: Whilst clearing out his mailbox, Paul discovers Jon Browne wrote: > RAW's stuff is worth stealing! He's *the* most psychedelic author I've ever > read. Further out than Wolfe, Casteneda, Leary, McKenna or Moorcock. He wrote > the Illuminatus trilogy, which defined the occult/head conspiracy form, about 20 > years ago. Just for the record, he *co-wrote* _The Illuminatus Trilogy_ with Robert Shea. His non-fiction work is where he really starts to get interesting, IMHO. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Feb 28 16:11:28 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:11:28 -0500 Subject: Address for Charles the Grinning Boy Message-ID: Dave PS's: >PS. How come the mail volume has suddenly gone from gigantic to near-zero? I've decided to stop posting for awhile. ;-) John Note the above comment was not to imply that no-one else is contributing anything to BOC-L. But as for me, I've been way over my quota lately . . . From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Feb 28 17:46:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:46:00 EST Subject: OTHER: GONG, politicos, new $100 Message-ID: >Usually reliable sources are now reporting that Tim Blake will do the Bottom >Line shows in NYC 3/8. They seem pretty sure of this:-). Anyone hear >anything? They are supposed to play Boston the day before this and I'll be taping, so I hope it's true. Maybe I'll even try yelling for "New Jerusalem." >Wouldn't it be more effective to wait until the Election and all vote >Libertarian? They've made it quite clear that they're utterly opposed to >any censorship at all, on the Net or off it. There is a guy on the Vermont and Wisc. ballots for the presidential election by the name Rev. Bud Green (AFAIK) (check it out, BP). He wants to get herb legalized. Might be as worthwhile a vote as Libertarian. Both will have the same impact in our hard core 2 party system. Got an advance look at the new US $100 bill today. Quite interesting design. In the lower right of the face is the denomination in Optical Verification Ink. Looks a light kelly green viewed from above and a deep blue at an oblique angle. Doug Smith must be handling it because it will 1st be seen in Europe later this month. The US won't get it for a little while. OVI ink won't copy on a color copier properly and costs $33K+ per 55 gal. barrel. Rudy Had BOC-L server problems too. From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Feb 28 18:29:34 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:29:34 GMT Subject: HW: Chaos Tape Address In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:57:00 EST Message-ID: > Could someone kindly post the address for ordering the Chaos tape and the > cost, etc. again. I deleted it when I thought it was only coming out in PAL Visionary Communications Ltd., PO Box 30, Lytham St. Annes, FY8 1RL, England, UK Normal price: 12.99 pounds Special Offer: 10.99 pounds plus postage in both cases (2.50 pounds for airmail) Tel: 01253 712543 jill PS : the guy seems to have got hold of another copy of the book so my cheque is in the mail to him tonight! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Feb 28 18:36:22 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:36:22 -0700 Subject: OFF:Rainbow question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Brad M. Lauchnor wrote: > Manuel or Jean wrote: > > Blackmore is fronting Rainbow again (the new disc is great). Chuck > Burgi & Greg Smith (BOC) are touring with that lineup. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Who is the vocalist for the new Rainbow line-up and who else is in the > band (keyboards???). What is the title of the new disk? > Sorry about the off-topic content. > > Brad L. blauchno at state.ut.us > Brad; It can't be off topic since it involves Chuck. The line up for the incarnation of Rainbow is; Blackmore on guitars Doogie White (from Scotland) is on vocals Greg Smith on bass Chuck Burgi on drums Keyboards is ???? I forgot!! The new disc is called Stranger In Us All and it rocks!!! If you like anything at all by Rainbow, you will enjoy this disc. However, it is only available as an import from the UK and Japan. Later, Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Feb 28 18:43:36 1996 From: kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM (joel wendrow) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 15:43:36 -0800 Subject: BOC: Ripper demo Message-ID: You wrote: > >While (re-re-re-)configuring a friend's computer, and testing his >CD-ROM, I ran into a demo of The Ripper. I saw someone mentioning it on >BOC-L before, but now really had a chance to see it. > >The demo showed some flashes of pictures on the music of '(Don't Fear) >The Reaper'. Credits: 'music from the Blue Oyster Cult', O without >umlaut. I wonder what other songs they will be using. > >I think it's going to be an interesting game. I'm very interested in >the complete game, of course. Does anyone know something about the >release date? > >Jerry > Hi Jerry, I have heard that the release date is March 5. That is for the northeast. I live in Connecticut and I am on the waiting list for the game. My girlfriend bought it for me for my birthday. I'll post a review when I get it. Joel From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Wed Feb 28 19:38:26 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:38:26 -0800 Subject: BOC: Ripper demo Message-ID: At 03:43 PM 2/28/96 -0800, you wrote: >You wrote: >> >>While (re-re-re-)configuring a friend's computer, and testing his >>CD-ROM, I ran into a demo of The Ripper. I saw someone mentioning it >on >>BOC-L before, but now really had a chance to see it. >> >>The demo showed some flashes of pictures on the music of '(Don't Fear) >>The Reaper'. Credits: 'music from the Blue Oyster Cult', O without >>umlaut. I wonder what other songs they will be using. >> >>I think it's going to be an interesting game. I'm very interested in >>the complete game, of course. Does anyone know something about the >>release date? Does anyone know where one might FTP the demo? _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Feb 28 20:08:19 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:08:19 +1100 Subject: seeing how the other half lives Message-ID: On 28 Feb 96 RICHARD CUMMINGS wrote about seeing how the other half lives: > It's a 4-song cd titled *Quark, Strangeness & Charm*. > I really like the title track but the rest seems a bit on the > "techno" side for me. Is this cd a good example of HW or did I > waste my money? If it's not, can anyone out there throw me a bisquit > and name some cd's that might be found in the heart of up-state NY. That EP is *not* a good example of HW music .... Half of it is /hw samples mixed into techno stuff by someone else! Try any of the other official releases ... except maybe _It's the business of.._ .... check my WWW pages for discographies and reviews All the best, Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Wed Feb 28 22:51:12 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 22:51:12 -0500 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? Message-ID: > >i would call this disc a must-have.it nearly brought a tear to my eye. >rj > > I must heartedly agree. It brought back the memories of the show last year. It is very good sound, and good songs too! I just found it at the store, had to get it. Duane -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Feb 28 23:02:21 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:02:21 -0500 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? In-Reply-To: <199602290351.AA16785@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Feb 28, 96 10:51:12 pm Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: > I must heartedly agree. It brought back the memories of the show last year. > It is very good sound, and good songs too! > I just found it at the store, had to get it. Is this on Cleopatra? Is it a single or a double CD? Anyone have a catalogue number for it? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Anubian Lights, _The Eternal Sky_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Thu Feb 29 00:31:52 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 00:31:52 -0500 Subject: Address for Charles the Grinning Boy Message-ID: Charles The Grinning Boy is none other than Charlie Gow, the fine host of the 1st Annual BOC BBQ '96, and Brewmaster of The Brewery Of Cult. I hope you locate Charlie Grant, but he will not officially be grinning until he tries the BOC beers... =) Sir Charles Of Gow can be reached at several addresses, but all BOC BBQ questions should be forwarded to his AOL address, ... The event will be taking place in Santa Rosa, California, over the Memorial Day weekend (May 25/26), and is open to all serious BOC fans across the world. Of course, we don't expect all of them to attend. That wouldn't leave enough beer for us... =) Get out the yard glass! The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Thu Feb 29 00:31:57 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 00:31:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: Beers & such... Message-ID: Jerry: >>There will definitely be more than coffee served! >>This will be the public debut of the highly regarded BOC beers... >>Buck's Blazing Bitter >>Eric's Extraterrestrial Elixir >>Allen's Alien Ale >>Danny's Death Valley Dark >Would there be any chance to import those into Holland? >That'd be interesting! Sorry to disappoint you Jerry, but the BOC beers I speak of are not commercially available. Brewmaster Charlie Gow is a high-caliber brewing expert, and produces batches specifically for special events (like BOC shows). The band 'officially' approved the beers, and their public debut will be at the BOC BBQ over Memorial Day weekend at Casa de Gow, in Santa Rosa. If you can find your way to the USA in late May, you are welcome to swing by & partake of the finest in Blue Oyster Cult liquid refreshment... >>Personally, I'd be thrilled to see the Brain Surgeons perform live, >>as I am a left coaster all the way, and have very little occasion to >>travel to the Northeast, where you live, work & play. Please contact >>Charlie if you are at all serious about your offer... >I'd be thrilled to see tBS play Europe! (And BOC too, for that matter.) >I'm a left-coaster as well, regarding the European continent. :-( I mean, >Europe is :-), but being a European and waiting to see American >bands play live is :-(. I think alot of folks would be happy to see Al & Deb live... >>"If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." >I know the feeling :-) You do! Excellent... Nothing like a full day in the backcountry, followed by a nice soak in warm water with BOC & a pint of the weekly... The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Feb 29 01:06:27 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 01:06:27 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: Hot Rails to Hoboken Message-ID: On 24-FEB-1996 10:39:11.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >At 01:27 PM 2/24/96 +0000, you wrote: >>> >Well, snap it back up - the line is "entrapped tombs" >>> >>> Ain't it "ant-track tools"? Didn't Al once confirm that? (Bizarre >though it >>> seems?) >> >> I though I recalled "ant-track tools" as well ... >And while we're at it.. In "Blue Oyster Cult", is it "When the skies >become a scroll" or "...become a strobe"? Me, I always heard it as >"strobe" which conjures up an interesting and hellish vision for me.. >But I'm guessing its "scroll". Al? It is "scroll". Chuck `[1;33;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Feb 29 01:49:09 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 01:49:09 -0500 Subject: Address for Charles the Grinning Boy Message-ID: On 29-FEB-1996 00:43:37.7 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >The event will be taking place in Santa Rosa, California, over the >Memorial Day weekend (May 25/26), and is open to all serious BOC >fans across the world. Of course, we don't expect all of them to >attend. That wouldn't leave enough beer for us... =) >Get out the yard glass! Where exactly is Santa Rosa? I live in Redlands, which is by San Bernardino. If Santa Rosa is up near mid-Cal, then this would be too far for me, but if we're talking So-Cal, I may be able to come. Chuck `[1;35;41mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Feb 29 04:26:42 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 04:26:42 -0500 Subject: OTHER: Man Message-ID: "Welsh guitar wizards" (it says here) Man are at the Bottom Line, Shepherd's Bush, London, Fri 8th March. - Andy ObCD: Wayne Kramer - _Dangerous Madness_ From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Thu Feb 29 05:32:03 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:32:03 +0000 Subject: OFF In-Reply-To: <199602291000.KAA04050@listserv.rl.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, Automatic digest processor wrote: > From: RICHARD CUMMINGS > Subject: seeing how the other half lives > > OFF: For the last 2 days I've been running around singing > "Poodle bites, Poodle chews it". Thanks bunches, Torgo! I must have missed the original thread to this interesting snippet... care to enlighten.. is it another misheard lyrics example? OFF: Again Part 2 ================= I did get to seee Deep Purple on Sunday night.. amazingly enough (and in keeping with my usual good luck) we got *the* last two tickets. I was most impressed - the line up was the original with a new lead guitarist (no name sorry) who was 100%. Gillan can still get the high notes but seemed to struggle on occasion to keep them for as long - but hey he *can* still get there. Jon Lord looked like a presenter from '70's TV series "HOW!" (not Fred Dinage, t'other) but played like a wizard. Great Night - recommended Maxine OBTrackOfTheNight: Perfect Strangers. From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 29 05:40:10 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:40:10 GMT Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:55:36 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: [The Communications Decency Act and an e-spam of the White House...] > This is the biggest load of illogical nonsense I've read in a long > while! I can only wonder at what they hope to achieve by this. Aincha ever heard of the motto "Overthrowing Government By Farce"? > Hey, why don't we all protest against police and fire service > underfunding by calling in as many 911 false alarms as we can? :-\ Good plan. Maybe we should all do a bit of self-trepanation to overload the hospitals as well.... Mike "Don't Try This At Home" Holmes From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 29 05:48:55 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:48:55 GMT Subject: OTHER: GONG, politicos, new $100 In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:46:00 EST Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > They are supposed to play Boston the day before this and I'll be taping, so > I hope it's true. Maybe I'll even try yelling for "New Jerusalem." If you get a live tape of NJ then I'm definately up for trading. I'm still trying to get a tape of Blake's solo spot at the London reunion gig. > There is a guy on the Vermont and Wisc. ballots for the presidential > election by the name Rev. Bud Green (AFAIK) (check it out, BP). He wants to > get herb legalized. Might be as worthwhile a vote as Libertarian. Both > will have the same impact in our hard core 2 party system. The point of having the Libs is less to win than to get enough votes to persuade the other parties that there might be votes to be had in adopting some Lib policies. IMHO the Libs cannot win in the US without a fundamental realignment in politics there. OTOH this is about due. The way it could happen is that the Economic Conservatives finally split from the Religious Reich in the Republican Party and align with the Libs who share their belief in Fiscal prudence and at least have some alignment on the personal civil liberties side of things. That in turn might drag in some of the left who strongly support the Lib stand on personal civil liberties and would go along with more fiscal prudence. Interestingly the recent large studies of British youth show them to be economically conservative and very insistent on personal civil liberties. Our middle party, the Liberal Democrats, are basically watered down socialists and so we seem to have a small "l" libertarian generation who are politically disenfranchised. That's certainly reflected in the voting record of the under 35's. > Got an advance look at the new US $100 bill today. Quite interesting > design. ObIlluminati: Does it have the Eye-In-The-Pyramid? > Rudy -- A Friend of Fernando Poo From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Feb 29 07:11:16 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:11:16 GMT Subject: OFF: Bill of Rights sent to Whitehouse In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:46:36 -0500 Message-ID: > They may > deny this in various ways, but the fact remains that they earnestly wish > people thought like them (fit into their reality tunnel) and, like all > people, work towards enforcing their reality tunnel on their environment; > they are as bad as those they decry, in essence. In Libertaria, you can believe what you like. As long as it's liberatarianism :-) Actually, what annoys me about the American Liberatarian movement is that they wrap up nutty right-wing laissez-faire economics with perfectly good libertarian ideas. Even worse, this interpretation of the word is gaining ground in the UK. Dave. From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 29 07:32:25 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 07:32:25 -0500 Subject: seeing how the other half lives Message-ID: richard,i think you should avoid remixes as well as compilations,as a starting point. they are really for the rabid fans and to appeal to a new audience(the techno-crowd). for you, i would recommend space bandits,levitation,chronicle of the black sword,or hall of the mountain grill. PLEASE don't form any oppinions based on that ep you bought! rjpxr5 From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 29 07:39:05 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 07:39:05 -0500 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-28 23:04:30 EST, paul writes: >Is this on Cleopatra? Is it a single or a double CD? Anyone have >a catalogue number for it? yes, cleopatra. single cd,but fairly long. cat.#- clp 9685-2 rj From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 29 08:18:06 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:18:06 -0500 Subject: Paging Ed Hoden Message-ID: I'm trying to send Ed Hoden (Run lago) some e-mail. Ed, if you're out there, send me an e-mail: jswartz at mitre.org John From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Feb 29 08:37:35 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 13:37:35 GMT Subject: OFF: Bill of Rights sent to Whitehouse In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:11:16 GMT Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > > They may > > deny this in various ways, but the fact remains that they earnestly wish > > people thought like them (fit into their reality tunnel) and, like all > > people, work towards enforcing their reality tunnel on their environment; > > they are as bad as those they decry, in essence. > > In Libertaria, you can believe what you like. As long as it's > liberatarianism :-) > > Actually, what annoys me about the American Liberatarian movement is that > they wrap up nutty right-wing laissez-faire economics with perfectly good > libertarian ideas. Even worse, this interpretation of the word is > gaining ground in the UK. Hardly surprising since laissez-faire economics *is* libertarian. If the market isn't free then there's coercion in there somewhere. Coercion is anti-libertarian by definition. > Dave. FoFP From DMitchIssy at AOL.COM Thu Feb 29 09:32:34 1996 From: DMitchIssy at AOL.COM (Douglas A. Mitchell) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:32:34 -0500 Subject: Address for Charles the Grinning Boy Message-ID: Chuck: >>The event will be taking place in Santa Rosa, California, over the >>Memorial Day weekend (May 25/26), and is open to all serious BOC >>fans across the world. Of course, we don't expect all of them to >>attend. That wouldn't leave enough beer for us... =) >>Get out the yard glass! >Where exactly is Santa Rosa? I live in Redlands, which is by >San Bernardino. If Santa Rosa is up near mid-Cal, then this >would be too far for me, but if we're talking So-Cal, I may be >able to come. Santa Rosa is in the heart of Sonoma wine country. It's definitely mid-Cal. It might be worth considering, however. The folk attending will be tilting the scales heavily when it comes to BOC knowledge & history. Bolle & Che will be in attendance... I'll be flying down from Seattle-way for the gathering of like minds, and others will be up from L.A., Arizona, New Mexico, and so on... There will also be an abundance of fine beers... =) (and don't forget the 'Red & Black' barbeque sauce) The Snowman. _?_ I "If it isn't skiing or Blue Oyster Cult, I'm not interested..." The First Annual BOC BBQ - Santa Rosa, California - Spring 1996! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas A. Mitchell World Snow T-shirts always available! 290 S.E. Bush Street Contact me via E-mail or snail mail for Issaquah, Washington 98027 information regarding the 'coolest' (206) 391-7683 T-shirt designs this side of the South Pole! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Feb 29 09:51:19 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:51:19 -0500 Subject: OFF : GONG Message-ID: Although I previously stated that Tim Blake will play the NYC shows at the Bottom Line,I do not think this is reason for optimism that he will play any other dates with the band. Anyone goin to NYC shows? regards, Bill Stewart From eqshw.blauchno at STATE.UT.US Thu Feb 29 09:52:38 1996 From: eqshw.blauchno at STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 07:52:38 -0700 Subject: OTHER: Rainbow Message-ID: Manuel Wrote: Brad; It can't be off topic since it involves Chuck. The line up for the incarnation of Rainbow is; Blackmore on guitars Doogie White (from Scotland) is on vocals Greg Smith on bass Chuck Burgi on drums Keyboards is ???? I forgot!! The new disc is called Stranger In Us All and it rocks!!! If you like anything at all by Rainbow, you will enjoy this disc. However, it is only available as an import from the UK and Japan. Later, Manuel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So does Doogie White sound more like JL Turner, RJ Dio or... the other guy I can't remember right now? Or is he unique. My favorite Rainbow is the Dio era Rainbow (Particularly _Rainbow Rising_). Give me some more clues! (Is Roger Glover still with DP?) Brad L. blauchno at state.ut.us From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Feb 29 09:55:55 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 14:55:55 +0000 Subject: OFF: Bill of Rights sent to Whitehouse In-Reply-To: <9602291337.aa07335@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Feb 1996, M Holmes wrote: > > > > Actually, what annoys me about the American Liberatarian movement is that > > they wrap up nutty right-wing laissez-faire economics with perfectly good > > libertarian ideas. Even worse, this interpretation of the word is > > gaining ground in the UK. > > Hardly surprising since laissez-faire economics *is* libertarian. If the > market isn't free then there's coercion in there somewhere. Coercion is > anti-libertarian by definition. > Annoyed as I am by having to trawl through all this non-BOC/HW material, I can't help making some comments myself. I'm always struck by the similarities and differences between what American libertarians espouse and what (mainly) European anarchists espouse. Both hate government and the coercion that ensues from having government. However, the libertarian solution embraces the traditional American values of rugged individualism: everybody is a free agent who should be able to say what s/he wants in the free market of ideas and to trade what s/he wants in the free economic market. Of course, in the libertarian world everyone has to take more risks in order to accrue more benefit for each individual self, with the downside that many people will fall by the wayside. Hence, the freedom that libertarianism brings also means that we all have to survive in a tougher economic environment. But - hey! - we're free and government is off our backs. Anarchism, on the other hand, tends to emphasise the freedom of the social group over the individual (though there are more individualist versions). Yes, government should be abolished, but the basis of society should be determined according to a true democracy of the people. This means planning, rather than relying on the invisible hand of the market. The people must decide what the needs of their social groupings are and how to go about meeting those needs. With regard to laws, this may involve decisions about what is and isn't acceptable. E.g., for some anarchists drug dealers are antithetical to the interests of the social group, and it is up to the group to enforce sanctions against drug dealers. IMO, both libertarianism and anarchism are woolly-headed ideals, although elements of libertarianism can be found running through much of mainstream American politics and in some of the more right-wing British Tories. In practical terms, there is no such thing as a free-market, because markets are socially-determined arrangements that can never operate equally in everybody's interests. Furthermore, experience of increasingly laissez-faire economics under Thatcher in Britain has proved to be little short of disastrous and has certainly caused many people a great deal of suffering. Lack of planning continues to bedevil our economic progress. Personally, I am much more sympathetic to anarchist ideas as they seem more concerned with *humanity*, but fear that they are little more than a pipe dream in today's highly-populated industrialised technological world. Imperfect, messy, solutions to our problems are all we realistically have. Sadly, the pursuit of idealistic politics so often seems to result in an extremism that is more concerned with satisfying the needs of the idealogue than with the real concerns of the people. Incidentally, I'm sure many of the Moorcock enthusiasts on the list will be aware of that author's anarchist politics. I can greatly recommend one of the books he mentions in "The Opium General": "Nestor Makhno in the Russian Civil War", by Michael Malet --- an account of the life of one of the great anarchist figures in history, who fought for an independent anarchist Ukraine during the Russian civil war, alternately fighting and making unholy alliances with a number of other forces and ultimately being betrayed by Trotsky. Sorry this has got so long: I'm not going to post anymore on the topic...promise! Dave From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Thu Feb 29 10:15:32 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 15:15:32 GMT Subject: OTHER: Rainbow Message-ID: Brad asks about new Rainbow: Doogie White sounds a lot like Joe Lynn Turner tho' not as good. (the 'other guy' you couldn't remember was of course Graeme Bonnet). The disc 'Stranger in us All' is definitly more like later Rainbow, though they do make a bad remake of 'Still I'm Sad'. As for D White, I though he was the only bad thing about the band when I saw them last November. Blackmore is still a guitarist of awesome skill and charisma. I'm interested to hear more about how DP sound without him. Roger Glover is still with Purple. Neil. From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Feb 29 10:22:32 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:22:32 -0500 Subject: OFF : GONG In-Reply-To: <960229095118_336633460@mail06.mail.aol.com> from "Bill Stewart" at Feb 29, 96 09:51:19 am Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > > Although I previously stated that Tim Blake will play the NYC shows at the > Bottom Line,I do not think this is reason for optimism that he will play any > other dates with the band. Anyone goin to NYC shows? > regards, I'm afraid I haven't been paying much attention to the Gong thread... when is the NYC show? Steve From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 29 10:57:41 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:57:41 -0500 Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD Message-ID: I agree with Paul. This kind of junk mailing is really annoying. It trivializes the issue, rather than having the opposite effect. It doesn't necessarily reflect the real thoughts or emotions of any given citizen, only the pushing of a button. Like the other kinds of mass produced junk mail I get from other sectors, this is what's going to destroy the internet as you know it, not preserve it. Really, who's are you kidding? DF From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Feb 29 12:00:46 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 12:00:46 -0500 Subject: BOC: New (Bootleg?) Album? Message-ID: Just going through my latest issue of GOLDMINE here and see an ad for a dealer which shows the following line: "Blue Oyster Cult - Champions of Rock" Anyone know anything about this title? I assume it's some sort of bootleg, although the dealer's ad seems to list alot of legit stuff, as well as some European releases. I'll send a copy of this note off to Bolle, and will probably call the place tonight. Note: This is not likely to be the anticipated BOC album, so before you all race down to your record store . . . John From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 29 13:08:14 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 13:08:14 -0500 Subject: Address for Charles the Grinning Boy Message-ID: DMitchissy writes: Charles The Grinning Boy is none other than Charlie Gow This is not the Charles the Grinning Boy people are looking for, they want Charlie Grant, who lives in England. BTW, Has the person looking for his address found it yet? From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 29 14:17:38 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 14:17:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: READ THIS AND SEND FWD Message-ID: Oops...hit the wrong button... meant to say, who's kidding who? Anyway, ya get the idea... DF From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Feb 29 14:32:23 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 19:32:23 +0000 Subject: HW: Dumpy's Rusty Nuts play Cambridge, UK! Message-ID: Behold! Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 16:22:34 +0000 (GMT) > From: David Tyler > > Dumpy's Rusty Nuts are playing the Boat Race on 22nd March. See you there. Dunno, what dates they have planned any other gigs but this looks like a show to catch! (The Boat Race is a pub/venue in Cambridge. Bevis Frond played there last autumn.) Cheers, Carl From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Feb 29 14:42:56 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 14:42:56 -0500 Subject: Address for Charles the Grinning Boy Message-ID: >DMitchissy writes: >Charles The Grinning Boy is none other than Charlie Gow > >This is not the Charles the Grinning Boy people are looking for Hey, wasn't that a song? You're not the Charles the Grinning Boy (I was looking for) I am the Charles the Grinning Boy you warned me of +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Thu Feb 29 14:53:05 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 14:53:05 -0500 Subject: HW: Dumpy's Rusty Nuts play Cambridge, UK! Message-ID: Carl, do not under any circumstances miss this. A truly fine and outstanding example of English culture. - Shakespeare, Wordsworth, Dumpys a wonderful lineage. > > > > Dumpy's Rusty Nuts are playing the Boat Race on 22nd March. See you there. > > > Dunno, what dates they have planned any other gigs but this looks > like a show to catch! > (The Boat Race is a pub/venue in Cambridge. Bevis Frond played > there last autumn.) > > Cheers, > Carl PS You'll probably enjoy it even more if you get really, really pissed first. From stayer at PI.NET Thu Feb 29 01:13:43 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 22:13:43 PST Subject: HW: seeing how the other half lives Message-ID: >I'm also on the list mainly for BOC. I don't know the 4-song CD you >mention, but Hawkwind released an album called Quark, Strangeness and >Charm back in the seventies. I believe it's a new recording of the song QS&C, played the way HW have been playing it live since the last couple of years. You'll probably get a much more detailed secription of this disc from someone else, if not Bernhard. When I read the review, I chose not to buy it. I can;t remember what it said, though. You'll undoubtedly get lots of other HW recommendations to buy. These are my favourites: In Search of Space, Space Ritual, Quark Strangeness and Charm, Levitation, Warrior On the Edge of Time, Astounding Sounds Amazing Music. All records are from before 1980, I believe. More recently the BBC have released recordings from 1972 (a couple of months before Space Ritual was recorded). I like that one very much, but all songs are also on Space Ritual (which is a double CD, so it might be more interesting to get a impression of HW). >Hawkwind have made some great >records and some terrible records, but the original Q,S & C >is one of the best. I agree on all aspects. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu Feb 29 00:52:07 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 21:52:07 PST Subject: BOC: BOC / Doors connection Message-ID: [Theo on BOC / Doors similarities] >I based my remarks about similarity more on >the overall feel of the two bands, less than on musical similarity. >Obviously, BOC is much heavier. But, especially in the first 3 >albums, there's a really dark feeling, intellectually challenging >lyrics, along with a good dose of humor. The Doors poked fun at >themselves and music in general quite often, and certainly so does >BOC. I understand what you mean, and agree. >And, though a lot of people [probably guitarists like me] think >of BOC as a guitar band, don't forget the heavy emphasis on >keyboards, certainly a connection to the Doors. BOC's keyboard-dominated songs are generally the ones I like best. Any other interest in progressive rock, Theo? >Guitar-wise, Robbie >and Buck are at opposite ends, seemingly, though 'Roadhouse' on ETL >shows how well the two work together. I can't tell who is who. >Anyone care to speculate if Buck is right or left channel on that one? In a book on The Doors (entitled Dance On Fire - how original!) the writer said "even Robby's mother wouldn't be able to tell who is who". He wrote it in a rather negative context, but then he was a Doors fan, and probably found BOC's music /too/ heavy. Do you know which parts Krieger did on Imaginos? Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu Feb 29 00:49:41 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 21:49:41 PST Subject: 1st BOC BBQ Message-ID: >Well, that would be interesting. BOC is rumoured to be planning an >"on-line" appearance at the barbeque -- it would be a little ironic if >The Brain Surgeons showed up to actually perform. Hey, if this trend >continues, maybe BOC can open for the Brain Surgeons in a year or two. You mean, for the Brain Surgeons BBQ! :-) Jerry From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Feb 29 20:18:15 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 12:18:15 +1100 Subject: HW: In the Egg Message-ID: Hey All! Have a quick peek at http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind (Someone has a new rendering package) Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: Sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Thu Feb 29 20:43:40 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 17:43:40 -0800 Subject: BOC: An Interesting Find In-Reply-To: <960226040029_333232884@emout08.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Robert Miller wrote: > I want to see about getting one of those for myself > Wasn't it part of a sci-fi species guide to the universe? - Passerby From matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Feb 29 22:00:45 1996 From: matt at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Matthew Curtis) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 14:00:45 +1100 Subject: seeing how the other half lives Message-ID: (this is very OFF:) Kevin Haskel Rubin wrote (on the QS&C single): > The title track is straight Hawkwind, but the techno stuff isn't at all > typical. That's remixed by someone else (Astralasia?). I dunno about Astralasia, but the other name credited for the remix was Swordfish. They're a techno band from Sydney, Australia, usually on the Volition label (who do Severed Heads, Itch-e+Scratch-e, etc.; mostly Sydney techno bands.) They're kinda pulp techno, but (as techno goes) they're usually better than this.. The "Uncle Sam" remixes were pretty bad IMHO. > There's a full > CD called _Quark Strangeness and Charm_ which is mostly like the first song, > and shouldn't be confused with the 4-song one of the same name. It's good, > too. As a HW newbie, my opinion is expressed very _very_ humbly, but I'd like to say the album QS&C has many _excellent_ tracks which are more "sensible" than the song QS&C (e.g. "Spirit of the Age"). -matt (delicately placing foot in mouth) -- Matthew Curtis (matt at pcmicro.com.au) #612340583175 (R) IMPENDING DOOM HAS ARRIVED page 1 of 1 pages From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Thu Feb 29 21:58:46 1996 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 21:58:46 -0500 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? In-Reply-To: <960226070002_231373824@mail06.mail.aol.com> from "RJPXR5@AOL.COM" at Feb 26, 96 07:00:04 am Message-ID: > > i would call this disc a must-have.it nearly brought a tear to my eye. > rj > definitely a great disc, i was only sorry that they did not include any tracks from the phila. show (that i was out!! :-) would have been nice, but i can't complain really... anybody else from the list make it to that show? hot as hell during the day (til well past 2am actually!) and the yard's cask conditioned ale on the...shall we say...warm side...anybody know who was tapin the show that eve..i was going to talk to em after the show but missed em on the way out. moorcock and jello biafra on one cd...i'd love to hear them do "sonic attack" together... --dave From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Feb 29 22:52:27 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 22:52:27 -0500 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? Message-ID: In a message dated 96-02-29 22:01:40 EST, dave wrote: >definitely a great disc, i was only sorry that they did not > include any tracks from the phila. show (that i was out!! :-) > would have been nice, but i can't complain really... > > anybody else from the list make it to that show? > hot as hell during the day (til well past 2am actually!) and > the yard's cask conditioned ale on the...shall we say...warm > side...anybody know who was tapin the show that eve..i was > going to talk to em after the show but missed em on the way out. > > hi dave, i was there (philly). niks place suks! i think i met you. were you with a girl wearing a dead patch covered vest? did we step outside with nik,to uh, get tuned up? bob lennon recorded that show,but if you remember,thanks to the house,the sound wasn't all that great. also bill stewart was there.weren't you bill? rj (ron jennings) From Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Feb 29 08:55:53 1996 From: Jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 13:55:53 GMT Subject: HW :seeing how the other half lives Message-ID: (In reply to your message dated Wednesday 28, February 1996) Although Space Ritual is great, it's not the first album I'd play to new listeners. I'm not sure even Palace Springs would grab the uninitiated but it seems to be BOC-L's fave Hawk LP so..... My 2 cents worth is/are Electric Tepee (fairly recent studio effort) Warrior On The Edge Of Time (Vintage Studio, last "classic" line-up) Live Chronicles (Live, good all-rounder, has "Rocky Paths on it, so it must be a winner) Xenon Codex (another recent studio, seems to be overlooked round here, excellent album) Alien 4 (if you ever get a US release, this years release is a superb return to form after the unfocused Business of the Future, and is up there with the best they've ever done.) Does anyone really think a 20 minute Brainstorm or Born To Go would appeal to a '90's listener as their first introduction to the band? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -- Jon Browne They Walk Among Us. http://www.demon.co.uk/comicshop/ 25 years of social reform, ain't gonna make me change or make me conform.