From mordru at MAGG.NET Sun Dec 1 03:06:23 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 03:06:23 -0500 Subject: HW: Damnation Alley - film Message-ID: >Well I'm sure a number of have seen the atrocity that is the >film Damnation Alley, does any one know if it's available on >VHS or Laserdisk ? I've seen it at a local video store. They'll usually part with stuff if you offter them enough. >Which sets me off, I would dearly love to see the >film remade following the book more closely. I would go >for Direction by John Carpenter, Staring Kurt Russell, >and James Spader. Music by you know who. To follow the book exactly would mean lousy music. Hell Tanner's vehicle was rigged by the gov't to play happy, cheery music which he hated but listened to anyways to help stay awake. And he was a biker, in days when bikers were still around but nearing an end, something which'd fit BOC's "The Golden Age of Leather" perfectly... From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Sun Dec 1 07:27:15 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 12:27:15 GMT Subject: BOC: Lone DJ fan Message-ID: Listening to the radio last Friday night (Virgin FWIW), when, surprise, surprise, 'Veteran of the Psyhic Wars' came on. The same show played 'Cities on Flame' just a few weeks back. Is this a record for BOC airplay in the UK ? Neil. From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Sun Dec 1 07:53:49 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 13:53:49 +0100 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: Maybe I was too subtle, maybe people are in denial of this - I don't know... I'm surprised nobody really picked up on my 'Biz Quiz' post! So - I'll just fire my guns here with my claims, hoping that somebody proves me wrong!!: Why is Dave Brock taking Bob Calvert songs in particular and slapping his own name on their credits? I'm referring to the aptly named Business Trip album. I presume Calvert's estate sees nothing of these royalties since the song credits have been altered to Brock and sometimes Davey & Chadwick as well. This disturbs me. Sorry, Paul, I don't buy the 'blues tradition' argument here. What Brock (& co.) are doing smacks of greed and capitalism, and I'd go as far as saying grave robbing in Calvert's case! How the FUCK can one justify taking "Welcome to the Future" by Calvert, rename it to "This Future" and credit it to Brock/Davey/Chadwick? This really disturbs me. Several song-credits have been altered to Brock's favor on this album. Now, I do admire Brock both as an artist and for keeping Hawkwind going as long as he has, but this is wrong. Below is my original 'quiz' post - feel free to set me straight with a logical explanation - "The Business Trip" - indeed: -- Allright folks! We all know those wacky old Hawks have a funny habit of reworking old songs, changing their titles and goofing around! When I posted the question to Brock about this on the Official Hawkwind website, he replied that it was 'for copyright reasons'. So... here's a little quiz I worked out for you all! It's simple - just guess who wrote these songs and where they first appeared - The songs are listed first, and the answers appear below - let's go!: 1. The Dream Goes On 2. This Future 3. Green Finned Demon 4. Do That 5. The Right Stuff Hey, pretty easy, eh? (The Dream Goes On) 1. If you guessed "The Business Trip" from 1993 and credit the song Brock, you are apparantly right! However, it's really called "The Iron Dream" and was written by Simon King and appeared on "Quark, Strangeness & Charm" in 1977 - strange huh? Just slap some lyrics about silicon chips in your head onto it, and it's a new song! (This Future) 2. Again, if you guessed "The Business Trip", and credit it to Brock/Davey/Chadwick, you appear to be right. Quite a mind-boggling co-incidence that Bob Calvert actually wrote a piece that bears an uncanny resemblence to this track on "Space Ritual" back in '73! Boy, if only he'd been around to see *this* future! (Green Finned Demon) 3. Okay, this one ain't hard. Of course it first appeared on the "Earth Ritual Preview" EP back in the early 80's, and later on the "Mighty Hawkwind Classics" CD. And, it was written by Brock/Calvert. But, take a look at "The Business Trip" album again, and you'll find that it's only credited to Brock - boy, it must have slipped his mind completely! Hey, lay off the weed, your memory's going! (Do That) 4. Now, isn't it funny, it seems something is going on here that shouldn't be going on - because not only is this song called "You Shouldn't Do That" on "X In Search of Space" back in '71, it's also written by Brock/Turner. Slip sideways thru time to the future again, and you'll find out that apparantly Brock/Davey/Chadwick wrote this song especially for us on "The Business Trip"! (The Right Stuff) 5. Ah, this one's easy! Bob Calvert again, obviously, on his solo album from 1974, "Captain Lockheed & the Starfighters". But, unbeknownst to us until 1993's "The Business Trip", Brock had a hand in its creation along with Calvert as well! It moves me that Hawkwind dedicated "Future Reconstructions" to the late, great, Bob Calvert. Christian From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sun Dec 1 09:02:20 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 14:02:20 UT Subject: Lone DJ fan Message-ID: >Listening to the radio last Friday night (Virgin FWIW), when, surprise, >surprise, 'Veteran of the Psyhic Wars' came on. The same show played >'Cities on Flame' just a few weeks back. Is this a record for BOC airplay in >the UK ? Since the '70s, when one of the Caroline DJ's was really into _Spectres_... probably! - Andy From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sun Dec 1 09:00:59 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 14:00:59 UT Subject: HW: RE: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: The thing is, Chris, that although it undoubtedly sucks the big one, it's really old news. I was most upset with the removal of King Simon's name from "The Iron Dream", which is well out of order. (Although since they Bastard-ized it with the "silicon chip" lyric, maybe that's what he'd want...) Turner is just as bad, on the _Prophets of Time_ album, where he took all Fred and Trev's songs and dropped their names - I gather Fred actually tried to chase him for royalties, but basically the money was disappearing into some bank account in California, and there was no way Fred could afford the legal fees to mount a case, and even if he'd won he'd still have been out of pocket at the end. And who really wrote "Motorway City", eh? :) - Andy From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Sun Dec 1 09:19:34 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 15:19:34 +0100 Subject: HW: RE: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: > >Turner is just as bad, on the _Prophets of Time_ album, where he took all Fred >and Trev's songs and dropped their names - I gather Fred actually tried to >chase him for royalties, but basically the money was disappearing into some >bank account in California, and there was no way Fred could afford the legal >fees to mount a case, and even if he'd won he'd still have been out of pocket >at the end. Not only does that album suck big time, but I believe it's a pun on "Profits of Time"... concious or not. As for Calvert's case in particular, not only is he unable to do anything about it (being dead and all), and I find it extremely hypocritical to dedicate 'Future Reconstructions' to his memory when they are basically ripping off their dead friend at the same time! Christian From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Dec 1 08:58:56 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 00:58:56 +1100 Subject: HW: RE: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > >Turner is just as bad, on the _Prophets of Time_ album, where he took all Fred > >and Trev's songs and dropped their names - I gather Fred actually tried to > >chase him for royalties, but basically the money was disappearing into some > >bank account in California, and there was no way Fred could afford the legal > >fees to mount a case, and even if he'd won he'd still have been out of pocket > >at the end. > > Not only does that album suck big time, but I believe it's a pun on "Profits > of Time"... concious or not. > > As for Calvert's case in particular, not only is he unable to do anything about > it (being dead and all), and I find it extremely hypocritical to dedicate > 'Future Reconstructions' to his memory when they are basically ripping off > their dead friend at the same time! I don't see how they're ripping him off. Do they credit him for the songs he wrote on it? (That is if there are any he wrote on it). Surely doing covers of his songs is a way of showing your appreciation of his music? -Max Wilcox From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Sun Dec 1 10:21:39 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 16:21:39 +0100 Subject: HW: RE: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: >Christian Mumford wrote: >> As for Calvert's case in particular, not only is he unable to do anything about >> it (being dead and all), and I find it extremely hypocritical to dedicate >> 'Future Reconstructions' to his memory when they are basically ripping off >> their dead friend at the same time! > > I don't see how they're ripping him off. Do they credit him for the >songs he wrote on it? (That is if there are any he wrote on it). Surely >doing covers of his songs is a way of showing your appreciation of his >music? > >-Max Wilcox There are a few Calvert songs on there, but no credits to anybody... so I'm not sure what the deal is. But, I was referring to 'The Business Trip' first taking or altering his credits, and then three years later dedicating something else to him, just to show how much they still appreciate his work... I worded my previous post a little unclearly. I just find the whole thing a little shady, that's all. I'm afraid that this business will go on unnoticed over the years until Brock 'owns' everything he performs with HW. Christian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Dec 1 11:56:46 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 16:56:46 GMT Subject: HW: Drugs (Re 1st Album) Message-ID: On l?r 30 nov 1996 10.19 "Jon Browne" wrote: > Check out your local Argos, Carl. You should be able to get one for > about 20 quid. Or I'll get you one, if you *really* want it. These > things are available :) Aw, thanks, but I better hold off. Any 20 quid I come up with needs to be saved for the Live 74 CD, should it ever actually be released .... (they're running out of autumn 96 to release it in!) Cheers, Carl ObCD: Kingston Wall III From delacour at UNM.EDU Sun Dec 1 12:25:25 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 10:25:25 -0700 Subject: Happy B-Day, E. Bloom!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Happy Birthday Eric Bloom!! I believe he is now 52!! Keep rocking and good luck on the new disc!! Manuel & Jean Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Sun Dec 1 12:28:28 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 10:28:28 -0700 Subject: Thanksgiving's past, Theo!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Theo; Thanksgiving has come and gone; and still no sign of my Worcester tape. Afterall, you did say I would have it by Thanksgiving, right? Well, let's see, it has been 5 months since I sent you the Goldmine. Hope to hear from you soon???? Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Dec 1 11:29:27 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 03:29:27 +1100 Subject: HW: Yet Another Dave Brock Message-ID: On the topic a couple of days ago of the HW clones that are about the place, I just saw one Dave Brock in the credits from Tori Amos' "Boys for Pele". It says he's in some travel company. At first I didn't relise that he was credited as being from a company and I thought this was the actual Dave, though I thought this was a bit strange. Anyway, that's everybody's useless bit of information for the day. -Max Wilcox From skarsol at EROLS.COM Sun Dec 1 09:01:33 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 14:01:33 +0000 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: > (The Dream Goes On) > 1. If you guessed "The Business Trip" from 1993 and credit the song > Brock, you are apparantly right! However, it's really called "The > Iron Dream" and was written by Simon King and appeared on "Quark, > Strangeness & Charm" in 1977 - strange huh? Just slap some lyrics > about silicon chips in your head onto it, and it's a new song! perhaps the original iron dream was an interpretation of some lost classical piece?i doubt that simon house wrote the guitar,bass,and drums for this song.he only plays violin as far as i know.and since no violins appear in the re-write,aren't they playing the parts written by the other musicians?i mean if brock wrote the guitar work,which he probably did,and had davey,chadwick and ron write their own parts,i can see them not crediting house,and being legally safe. hw isn't exactly a huge money machine,so i think ya have to give them at least a little lee-way.i mean.i wrote one verse of lyrics for my friends band,and they expanded on it and rewrote it till it was nearly unrecognizable.still they credit me with writing it,which i feel is wrong. > (This Future) i dont know. this is too me a very small deal.its just a few lines of drivel imo,and if i wrote it i would probably not care if someone else took credit for it.i dont think too much of it. > (Green Finned Demon) > 3. Okay, this one ain't hard. Of course it first appeared on the "Earth > Ritual Preview" EP back in the early 80's, and later on the "Mighty Hawkwind > Classics" CD. And, it was written by Brock/Calvert. But, take a look at "The > Business Trip" album again, and you'll find that it's only credited to Brock - > boy, it must have slipped his mind completely! Hey, lay off the weed, your > memory's going! i dont know,but the 'earthed to the ground' album (1984) credits brock alone with writing this tune.and it just doesn't seem like calvert's style,to me.besides, did calvert ever actually write any of the music?i always thot he was a poet and performer,and never thot of him as a musician.????? > (Do That) > 4. Now, isn't it funny, it seems something is going on here that shouldn't be > going on - because not only is this song called "You Shouldn't Do That" on > "X In Search of Space" back in '71, it's also written by Brock/Turner. Slip > sideways thru time to the future again, and you'll find out that apparantly > Brock/Davey/Chadwick wrote this song especially for us on "The Business Trip"! > again,these lyrics sound like brock.i don't know if its so.but if brock was responsible for the words,the tune is his.all that would leave to nik is the sax,which is not present in the re-write.???? > (The Right Stuff) > 5. Ah, this one's easy! Bob Calvert again, obviously, on his solo album from > 1974, "Captain Lockheed & the Starfighters". But, unbeknownst to us until > 1993's "The Business Trip", Brock had a hand in its creation along with > Calvert as well! ya got us here,for sure.if hw played it w/out lyrics and put brock's name on it w/out calvert's,i dont think there would be a problem.i think probably calvert gave the band a poem,and they wrote music for it.im with ya on this one tho',cos these lyrics are unquestionably calvert. maybe im splitting hairs,maybe not.but the fact is,none of US really knows the deal on any of this,and becos of that,we should probably withhold judgement.i have personally seen far too much kindness and generosity from brock to think that he deserves any label such as "greedy".i think what we have here,is a "1500.00 paycheck, and each of five members feeling that they deserve a 500.00 cut". i am no writer,so these thots may not make much sense to most of you.try to think about it and see if ya can understand what im trying to say. sorry for babbling, rj From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sun Dec 1 14:54:42 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 14:54:42 -0500 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! In-Reply-To: <199612011253.NAA20650@kirov.eunet.no> Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Dec 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > Maybe I was too subtle, maybe people are in denial of this - I don't know... > I'm surprised nobody really picked up on my 'Biz Quiz' post! So - I'll just fire > my guns here with my claims, hoping that somebody proves me wrong!!: > > Why is Dave Brock taking Bob Calvert songs in particular and slapping his own > name on their credits? I'm referring to the aptly named Business Trip album. > I presume Calvert's estate sees nothing of these royalties since the song > credits have been altered to Brock and sometimes Davey & Chadwick as well. This > disturbs me. Sorry, Paul, I don't buy the 'blues tradition' argument here. > What Brock (& co.) are doing smacks of greed and capitalism, and I'd go as far Well, the "blues tradition" remark was kind of tongue in cheek in relation to Dave, so I didn't expect you to take it too seriously. (Should've put a smiley or two in there.) You refer to _The Business Trip_ album specifically. Alas, this is one I don't yet have, so I can't comment on how different the versions are from the originals. But, it may be sage to point out that this is a live album and, it's my understanding, copyright functions slightly differently for live recordings. I was told once, in a class that included a little law, that copyright for live performances resides with the first person to "capture it on permanent medium." Basically, with a concert, this would be the person who taped it. That's one reason why concert halls ban tapes and cameras, so I understand. It's also the reason why the USA release of Zappa's _The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life_ came out with a different cover, originally, to the UK one. The UK release sported a stage photo taken by a fan. The fan was never tracked down, and the USA legal folks got cold feet about including it without securing copyright release from the fan, so it never appeared. As I said, I don't know how different the versions are on _TBT_, having not heard it. But if they were improvisational pieces quite different to their originals, there would be some merit in crediting the live peformers. I don't know. Is there some place we could get a definitive answer regarding this copyright/credit issue? Also, do song credits refer to the lyrics or the music, or to both? Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Dec 1 04:48:36 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 20:48:36 +1100 Subject: HW: Drugs (Re 1st Album) Message-ID: On 1 Dec 96 at 16:56, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Aw, thanks, but I better hold off. Any 20 quid I come up with > needs to > be saved for the Live 74 CD, should it ever actually be released > .... (they're running out of autumn 96 to release it in!) The word from Doug is that it has only just been started to be put together, and it is now due for release early next year, (which is of course Autumn 97 Down Here) Paul From mordru at MAGG.NET Sun Dec 1 18:01:48 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 18:01:48 -0500 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: >On Sun, 1 Dec 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: >You refer to _The Business Trip_ album specifically. Alas, this is one I >don't yet have, so I can't comment on how different the versions are from >the originals. Well, in some cases, like 'The Right Stuff', very similar. In others, especially 'Quark, Strangeness, and Charm' it is almost completely different (only the lyrics are the same).... From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Sun Dec 1 19:18:06 1996 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 01:18:06 +0100 Subject: DAVE BROCK ON ROBERT CALVERT Message-ID: hello all, I've just uploaded the latest NEWS on the CALVERT SITE: a text by DAVE BROCK on ROBERT CALVERT - plus a little snippet by Doug Smith on Calvert. go there via the QUOTES link - THE WORLD ACCORDING ON CALVERT chapter. 'share and enjoy' knut gerwers VideoFest Mediopolis Berlin e.V. Potsdamer Str. 96 D - 10785 Berlin Germany tel: *30 - 262 8714 fax: *30 - 262 8713 email: videofest at mediopolis.de http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Sun Dec 1 23:52:53 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 22:52:53 -0600 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: >I don't know. Is there some place we could get a definitive answer >regarding this copyright/credit issue? > >Also, do song credits refer to the lyrics or the music, or to both? I'd like to put across one point of view having been down this road with some of the bands I've played in and written for. Generally, anyone that contributes to a song has a right to a credit, but they usually go to the lyric writers and anyone that comes up with a large part or all of the music. Also unless otherwise stated (i.e. Lyrics by Tim Rice, Music by A.L. Webber), the credit applies to both music and lyrics. If a vocalist comes up with a backing harmony to the lead vocal, they wouldn't get a credit. If a bass played comes up with some words to the chorus or a verse, they would, and rightly so. If however someone came up with the lyrics and rough chords and the band expanded them into the finished article, would the guy that came up with the main idea or the whole band get the credit. My experience is that the band don't claim a credit unless the writer deems it so is cases like that - kind of an unwritten rule. I'd also like to point out that it is rarely the case that a musician can't write for another instrument. In the case of Simon House, you can pretty much take it for granted that the guy has a deep knowledge of music, knows his way around a keyboard (and even if it just to arrange harmonies) and can translate melodies he comes up with on the violin onto the guitar, bass, sax or flute. The same can be said for many other musicians. Also, Bob Calvert did play instruments, and as far as I know did write music for his solo albums, Hawkwind and related projects. I've seen him work a synth like you wouldn't believe!! Star Rats From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Mon Dec 2 03:41:56 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 09:41:56 +0100 Subject: HW: RE: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: >>Christian Mumford wrote: > > >>> As for Calvert's case in particular, not only is he unable to do anything >about >>> it (being dead and all), and I find it extremely hypocritical to dedicate >>> 'Future Reconstructions' to his memory when they are basically ripping off >>> their dead friend at the same time! >> >> I don't see how they're ripping him off. Do they credit him for the >>songs he wrote on it? (That is if there are any he wrote on it). Surely >>doing covers of his songs is a way of showing your appreciation of his >>music? >> >>-Max Wilcox > > >There are a few Calvert songs on there, but no credits to anybody... so I'm not >sure what the deal is. But, I was referring to 'The Business Trip' first taking >or altering his credits, and then three years later dedicating something else to >him, just to show how much they still appreciate his work... I worded my >previous post a little unclearly. I just find the whole thing a little shady, >that's all. I'm afraid that this business will go on unnoticed over the years >until Brock 'owns' everything he performs with HW. > >Christian > > Okay, the credits for Future Reconstructions are correct on the disc. However, it doesen't change the the altered credits on the aptly titled 'Business Trip' (BTW, a great album either way). As for the reworked Quark, Strangeness & Charm on there, the credits are correct no matter how much they reworked it for this album - so why alter the credits for 5 other songs? Granted, Hawkwind are far from rich, but it's no excuse. I doubt Calvert's widow or Simon House for that matter are rolling in money either, and I'm sure they wouldn't mind royalties from these songs, no matter how little it is. It is still wrong. I might have flipped my wig using some strong words here, but I've known artists who have been ripped off or have artwork 'swiped' by others without them seeing any money or getting credit for it. Christian From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Mon Dec 2 03:57:40 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 09:57:40 +0100 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: >> (The Dream Goes On) >> 1. If you guessed "The Business Trip" from 1993 and credit the song >> Brock, you are apparantly right! However, it's really called "The >> Iron Dream" and was written by Simon King and appeared on "Quark, >> Strangeness & Charm" in 1977 - strange huh? Just slap some lyrics >> about silicon chips in your head onto it, and it's a new song! > >perhaps the original iron dream was an interpretation of some lost >classical piece?i doubt that simon house wrote the guitar,bass,and >drums for this song.he only plays violin as far as i know.and since >no violins appear in the re-write,aren't they playing the parts >written by the other musicians?i mean if brock wrote the guitar >work,which he probably did,and had davey,chadwick and ron write >their own parts,i can see them not crediting house,and being legally >safe. hw isn't exactly a huge money machine,so i think ya have to >give them at least a little lee-way.i mean.i wrote one verse of lyrics >for my friends band,and they expanded on it and rewrote it till it was >nearly unrecognizable.still they credit me with writing it,which i feel >is wrong. They just slapped some silly lyrics on top of it. Nothing else has changed apart from the title. Simon King (not House, BTW) wrote the original tune. Is there two ways about it? >> (This Future) > i dont know. this is too me a very small deal.its just a few lines of >drivel >imo,and if i wrote it i would probably not care if someone else took >credit for >it.i dont think too much of it. Well, personally, I consider it a great piece in the unmistakeble Calvert style. How can you say that Calvert probably wouldn't care if they took his lyrics? Have you spoken to him recently (break out the oija board, folks, we need to straighten this out!!) > >> (Green Finned Demon) >> 3. Okay, this one ain't hard. Of course it first appeared on the "Earth >> Ritual Preview" EP back in the early 80's, and later on the "Mighty Hawkwind >> Classics" CD. And, it was written by Brock/Calvert. But, take a look at "The >> Business Trip" album again, and you'll find that it's only credited to Brock - >> boy, it must have slipped his mind completely! Hey, lay off the weed, your >> memory's going! > >i dont know,but the 'earthed to the ground' album (1984) credits brock >alone with writing this tune.and it just doesn't seem like calvert's >style,to me.besides, >did calvert ever actually write any of the music?i always thot he was a >poet >and performer,and never thot of him as a musician.????? Haven't seen that. But didn't ERP EP come out in '82 or '83? On the Mighty Hawkwind Classics comp. from '92, Calvert is credited as well. > >> (Do That) >> 4. Now, isn't it funny, it seems something is going on here that shouldn't be >> going on - because not only is this song called "You Shouldn't Do That" on >> "X In Search of Space" back in '71, it's also written by Brock/Turner. Slip >> sideways thru time to the future again, and you'll find out that apparantly >> Brock/Davey/Chadwick wrote this song especially for us on "The Business Trip"! >> >again,these lyrics sound like brock.i don't know if its so.but if brock >was responsible for the words,the tune is his.all that would leave to >nik is the sax,which is not present in the re-write.???? The lyrics are slightly altered, the music the same. But, this one's not as big a deal as the others. But, if Nik's sax was credited, shouldn't Anderson and the rest of the band be credited too..? No, they were musicians, not song writers in this case, so Nik must have done something other than just strangling his sax.... > >> (The Right Stuff) >> 5. Ah, this one's easy! Bob Calvert again, obviously, on his solo album from >> 1974, "Captain Lockheed & the Starfighters". But, unbeknownst to us until >> 1993's "The Business Trip", Brock had a hand in its creation along with >> Calvert as well! >ya got us here,for sure.if hw played it w/out lyrics and put brock's >name on it w/out calvert's,i dont think there would be a problem.i think >probably calvert gave the >band a poem,and they wrote music for it.im with ya on this one tho',cos >these >lyrics are unquestionably calvert. So's the song. Check the original Calvert album. > >maybe im splitting hairs,maybe not.but the fact is,none of US really >knows the deal on any of this,and becos of that,we should probably >withhold judgement.i have personally seen far too much kindness and >generosity from brock to think that he deserves >any label such as "greedy".i think what we have here,is a "1500.00 >paycheck, >and each of five members feeling that they deserve a 500.00 cut". >i am no writer,so these thots may not make much sense to most of you.try >to think about it and see if ya can understand what im trying to say. >sorry for babbling, rj I still admire Brock in particular for keeping the Hawks going, and respect him as an artist as well. I'm just curious about this matter. And, there's nothing wrong with bringing this up. But nobody seemed to react to it, so I wanted to grab some attention to it. I didn't mean to pass any judgement on good old Dave, I just find this a little disturbing. After all, when I posted the question why he re-titles old songs to him on the HW website, he replied 'for copyright reasons'. Christian From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Mon Dec 2 04:30:33 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 09:30:33 -0000 Subject: HW: 1st Album Message-ID: Max wrote: - - - - - - - - Listening to It is the Business while pursuing, with a friend, our "experiments" with the ol' lysergic dethelymide, an interesting thing occured. First, we discovered that a picture in Alien4 fitted in exactly with a picture in a timothy leary book I was reading at the time etc. . . . . . . . There is obviously a moral to this story, it is possible to enjoy listening to iitbotftbd, but it requires that the listener first ingests a substantial quantity of powerful mind altering drugs. Mike P begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(B()`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &`#0!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```%$`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!"3T,O2&%W:W=I;F0@ M1&ES8W5S``(P`0````4```!33510`````!X``S !````%P```$)/0RU,0$Q)4U13 M15)6+E-00RY%1%4```,`%0P!`````P#^#P8````>``$P`0```!\````G0D]# M+TAA=VMW:6YD($1I`' ``0```!(```!213H at 2%L"@P!0`O()`@!C: K "!W`V 3T#KY"H4M M(!Q?'*$:+1-0&['N8P5 "H4?EDP$`!/0`P#!&1 @=&\@205 ! !!(+!H92!" M=0"0;K,'D 0@=V@#$"%P< AP5'-U(($L&X!I(5 @S&$@`U (D&YD(P`(8>$* MA2)E>' &<0> `C <B2,E*\DC<"A@!& A4#IY)E!E"L R( ;@;VO;(. ;@&$$(!8082J@ M()'W*W$A4C'!90J'&D\*A1' WF,IX#;+"H4*A50A8"P2H00@;V)V:0A@')F=0,@)V CT"-@;(,H M$2""9')U9W,WK6A-:6LA<% *A14Q``%&H ```P`0$ `````#`!$0`````$ ` L!S! @#T),^"[`4 `"#! @#T),^"[`1X`/0`!````!0```%)%.B `````T04` ` end From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Dec 2 05:08:28 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:08:28 GMT Subject: HW: RE: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: On m?n 2 dec 1996 09.41 "Christian Mumford" wrote: > Granted, Hawkwind are far from rich, but it's no excuse. I doubt Calvert's > widow or Simon House for that matter are rolling in money either, and I'm > sure they wouldn't mind royalties from these songs, no matter how little > it is. And of course to add to the mystery, Simon House is an EBS recording artist, having released _Yassasim_ on EBS just recently, with the title track having appeared on the EBS sampler CD. So clearly he's not _too_ cheesed off with HW .... Frankly the whole situation of who has ripped off who in the long and far too complicated saga of Hawkwind passes my understanding. I suspect almost everyone has ripped off nearly everyone else to some degree or another. I'm not sure I can level the hovering finger of blame with any equality with the little I know. I would guess Dave was having a go at Nik with the writing credits in retribution for Nik's pirating the Hawkwind name--whether that's fair or not I suppose depends on one's point of view! Cheers, Carl From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Mon Dec 2 05:20:51 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 11:20:51 +0100 Subject: HW: RE: King, not House (OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!!) Message-ID: >On m?n 2 dec 1996 09.41 "Christian Mumford" > wrote: >> Granted, Hawkwind are far from rich, but it's no excuse. I doubt >Calvert's >> widow or Simon House for that matter are rolling in money either, and I'm > >> sure they wouldn't mind royalties from these songs, no matter how little >> it is. > > And of course to add to the mystery, Simon House is an EBS recording >artist, having released _Yassasim_ on EBS just recently, with the title >track having appeared on the EBS sampler CD. So clearly he's not _too_ >cheesed off with HW .... > > Frankly the whole situation of who has ripped off who in the long and >far too complicated saga of Hawkwind passes my understanding. I suspect >almost everyone has ripped off nearly everyone else to some degree or >another. I'm not sure I can level the hovering finger of blame with any >equality with the little I know. > I would guess Dave was having a go at Nik with the writing credits in >retribution for Nik's pirating the Hawkwind name--whether that's fair or >not I suppose depends on one's point of view! > >Cheers, >Carl Ooops - it's Simon King, not Simon House. Sorry. Anybody know what King is doing these days?? (aside from being bitter that Dave swiped his song...? :o) Christian From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Dec 2 04:37:00 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 09:37:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: Branson and V2 In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's mail of Fri, 29 Nov 96 10:28 +0000 Message-ID: Martin Dench wrote: >I read a press release about Richard Branson's new label a couple of >months ago, and I wouldn't hold out much hope for any interesting >bands/artists being signed. His comment was, as befits such a 'bastion' >of modern society, that they would aim at 'intellectual rock and modern >classical music'. Intellectual here meaning not intelligent, but >pretentious and dull! Anyone who makes more contemporary classical music available gets my vote. If he really does mean "modern", and not just twentieth-century. Dave. ObGig: Jan Garbarek group. Obvirtuoso bassist: Eberhard Weber. Obvirtuoso percussionist: Marilyn Mazur. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Mon Dec 2 05:45:03 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 11:45:03 +0100 Subject: HW: 1st Album Message-ID: >Max wrote: >- - - - - - - - > Listening to It is the Business while pursuing, with a friend, our >"experiments" with the ol' lysergic dethelymide, an interesting thing >occured. First, we discovered that a picture in Alien4 fitted in exactly >with a picture in a timothy leary book I was reading at the time > >etc. . . . . . . . > >There is obviously a moral to this story, it is possible to enjoy listening >to iitbotftbd, but it requires that the listener first ingests a >substantial quantity of powerful mind altering drugs. > >Mike P Either that or powerfully altering the sound of the CD as you break it in half! Christian (no, I wouldn't do that) From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Dec 2 05:49:00 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:49:00 +0000 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's mail of Mon, 2 Dec 96 09:57 +0100 Message-ID: On 02 Dec 08:57, Christian Mumford wrote: > >> (The Dream Goes On) > >> 1. If you guessed "The Business Trip" from 1993 and credit the song > >> Brock, you are apparantly right! However, it's really called "The > >> Iron Dream" and was written by Simon King and appeared on "Quark, > >> Strangeness & Charm" in 1977 - strange huh? Just slap some lyrics > >> about silicon chips in your head onto it, and it's a new song! There are no lyrics on "The Dream Goes On". Are You Losing Your Mind? I knew that Turner wasn't credited for "Do That", and put that down to tit-for-tat (in any case, "Do That" is only the chorus of Turner's song). I hadn't noticed that Calvert had been dropped from the credits, and I'm very surprised, because the Hawks usually credit him for his work. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Mon Dec 2 06:47:56 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 11:47:56 -0000 Subject: HW: RE: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: Dear all, Firstly I have to say that I don't have the album that sparked off this thread so I may be talking out of turn, but I think there are a few points we may be missing here. Is it a fact that no royalties are being paid to the Calvert estate? Just because his name does not appear next to the work in question does not mean this is the case. Secondly, be careful of the use of the word credit here. What the album is (presumably) is a collection of unique recordings, the creation of which is credited to certain individuals. Additionally, have we asked the question "what control did the accused have over the credits that appear on the album" It may be that the guys are a bunch of unprincipled money grabbers but I think we need to make absolutely sure before we state that. I have always considered that the members of the band showed a fairly high level of integrity when one considers the industry in which they are involved. Mike (IMHO) P Okay, the credits for Future Reconstructions are correct on the disc. However, it doesen't change the the altered credits on the aptly titled 'Business Trip' (BTW, a great album either way). As for the reworked Quark, Strangeness & Charm on there, the credits are correct no matter how much they reworked it for this album - so why alter the credits for 5 other songs? Granted, Hawkwind are far from rich, but it's no excuse. I doubt Calvert's widow or Simon House for that matter are rolling in money either, and I'm sure they wouldn't mind royalties from these songs, no matter how little it is. It is still wrong. I might have flipped my wig using some strong words here, but I've known artists who have been ripped off or have artwork 'swiped' by others without them seeing any money or getting credit for it. 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Remember how upset Al was about his name being taken off some songs on _Cult Classic_? And Dead Fred was well pissed off with Turner over the missing credits on _Prophets of Time_, as well as the missing money (and also over them being crap versions, but that's another issue). But it's not black and white. Stiffing someone over a track credit does not (IMO) warrant language like "unprincipled money grabber". Creatively changing song titles, or using pseudonyms ("S. MacManus", "Dr Hasbeen") is a different kettle of fish - it's a bit underhand, but if it's a way of getting out of unfair contracts, then good luck to him. - Andy ObCD: Roky Erickson - _Gremlins Have Pictures_ From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Mon Dec 2 08:41:23 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 23:41:23 +1000 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! In-Reply-To: <199612021049.KAA05087@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: Hey, Doesn't all this *really* mean that the lads in HW are just running out of original ideas? It's been happening for a while, eh? Perhaps this explains the current trend of *heaps* of electronic stuff, too. *And* while we are on the topic, this could have an interesting parallel with BOC, eg. Cult Classic. Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Mon Dec 2 08:53:37 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 23:53:37 +1000 Subject: BOC, first album In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Okay, So we have heard much of the first induction into HW from the fans, so how about BOC? My first buzz with them was way back in the 70's, when Some enchanted evening was a new album. Some buddies of mine got a copy and one day at a party, they put it on. At first I thought it was a little lightweight, but after a few songs came Godzilla. I remember thinking "WOW, What a howling Geetar sound!!". A few listens later, I was hooked. My next LP was OYFOOYK. That was a little heavier, and therefore easier for my metallic stomach to enjoy. I was not truly tested to be a BOC fan until I encountered my first STUDIO album. It was Spectres, which of course is a little on the commercial side. After a couple of spins, it became my fave album, even getting more listening time than Nazareth (!) and the Sabs. So, that is my story, in abridged version, so what is yours? Troy From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Mon Dec 2 08:07:02 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 13:07:02 -0000 Subject: HW: RE: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: But it's not black and white. Stiffing someone over a track credit does not (IMO) warrant language like "unprincipled money grabber". Andy, I presume that the phrase above is one from my previous mail (it is unclear as you have failed to show credits for this phrase!) if this is the case I suggest that you are taking my words out of context. The whole point I am trying to make is that I do NOT believe that the members of the band are "unprincipled money grabbers" Quite the opposite. To use this phrase in isolation is misleading. I note that no reference to the phrase "...members of the band showed a fairly high level of integrity ..." Is included in the mail. 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I don't have any discs myself, but I've seen some discussion on r.m.i that suggests a pretty diverse output - some discs plain unlistenable noise or nothing but cut-up theory (eg _A Sucked Orange_), while others are said to be rather excellent dark ambient soundscapes (_Thunder Perfect Mind_, _A Soliloquy for Lilith_) Cheers, Tim From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Mon Dec 2 09:08:37 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 14:08:37 +0000 Subject: BOC, first album In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can abbreviate mine even better than Troy's and I will, beacuse I reemember posting like this a while back: teh only BOC song I ever heard on teh radio is DFtR, and second time I heard it I nailed down the band and remembered the name; then I got a comp. with an edit on, missing the guitar break. So I went, raging to myuself, "Where's the bit I thought was another song?" and betook myself to a local music stall, where I saw `Some Enchanted Evening' which (a) had Death on the cover like in `Good Omens', (b) had DFtR on it, and (c) had a song called `Godzilla' on it which sounded kind of interesting. Of course, then I could only play tape. Today, as soon as I get some line-out leads, this changes and my budget goes totally out of the window... Ah hahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha! Jazza (quite cheerful for some odd reason...) /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Mon Dec 2 10:17:05 1996 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Jason Scruton) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:17:05 -0500 Subject: BOC, first album revisited Message-ID: > Okay, > > So we have heard much of the first induction into HW from the fans, so >how about BOC? Sure... One halloween i sat watching the boob tube, upon which the motion picture Halloween was playing..it was fairly dull. typical freak drama. :) Then....out of the radio of the heroine's car came the sound of something so evilly hypnotic, so spine chilling I had to watch the film until the credits rolled by. (DF)tR yanked my ears from my head and said "go to the mall young man and buy me." So, I bought the interesting compilation Career of Evil (most noticeable for the absence of the title song). The sheer juggernaut of rock that was encapsulated in the live 7SDb and ME 262 had me ask for the aptly named OYFoOYK for christmas (talk about an odd christmas gift.. the Subhuman and Santa dont quite mix:)). And thats that..from then on it was a feast of lp and cd and tape buying. Soup spilled out, Jason From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Mon Dec 2 09:32:33 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 14:32:33 +0000 Subject: BOC, first album In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My first BOC album was OYFOOYK, which completely knocked me out. I got it when it first came out in 75, and at that time I had been listening to things like Alex Harvey, Stone the Crows and Gary Glitter! It is such a great album - it still remains one of my favourites, and hearing the opening to Subhuman still gets my pulse racing! Needless to say, after this baptism, I got the first 3 albums, which I love almost as much, and the rest is history! I only wish Elektra would do the decent thing and release Soft White Underbelly! Martin On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Troy Harris wrote: > Okay, > > So we have heard much of the first induction into HW from the fans, so > how about BOC? > > My first buzz with them was way back in the 70's, when Some enchanted > evening was a new album. Some buddies of mine got a copy and one day at > a party, they put it on. At first I thought it was a little lightweight, > but after a few songs came Godzilla. I remember thinking "WOW, What a > howling Geetar sound!!". > > A few listens later, I was hooked. My next LP was OYFOOYK. That was a > little heavier, and therefore easier for my metallic stomach to enjoy. I > was not truly tested to be a BOC fan until I encountered my first STUDIO > album. It was Spectres, which of course is a little on the commercial > side. After a couple of spins, it became my fave album, even getting > more listening time than Nazareth (!) and the Sabs. > > So, that is my story, in abridged version, so what is yours? > > Troy > From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 2 10:10:28 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:10:28 -0500 Subject: BOC remastered Message-ID: NONE of BOC's albums have been remastered, and I haven't heard any plans to do so :-( But, you never know . . . The 3 CD set of the 1st 3 albums is just the 3 CD's wrapped together - there's nothing new if you've already got them, but if you don't, this might be your chance to get them at a better price. John From ABrevard at SHL.COM Mon Dec 2 11:11:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R. (MSMail)) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 09:11:00 -0700 Subject: SUBJECT: BOC Missing Albums - No Remastering Message-ID: Oopps forgot who posted but it had to do with 3PAK. You probably know by now that the first three albums were not re-mastered, I think Sony is waiting for the boys to no longer exist on this plane of reality before re-mastering their work. 3PAK may be your last chance to get the original three albums. Every where I look all of the old BOC is gone. I still need to get T&M and thought I had plenty of time to do so. Now I may be forced to buy 3Pak just to get it. Not good. AB OB CD - Gary Hoey's "Bug Alley" ( a crunchy cover of Black Magic Woman, yes Gary actually sings on this one) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Dec 2 10:14:17 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 15:14:17 GMT Subject: BOC: first album Message-ID: Easily done. My friend Ben Cash (once long ago of this list) was a big BOC fan, and lent me some tapes to listen to while I was sitting up writing a paper on the ethnography of role-players for my Folklore & Mythology tutorial (we are not making this up). They included _FoUO_ and _Spectres_. Well, it was only a short time until I had acquired _ETLive_ which was the first BOC album I owned myself. Cheers, Carl From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Dec 2 10:23:00 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 15:23:00 +0000 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! In-Reply-To: Troy Harris' mail of Mon, 2 Dec 96 23:41 +1000 Message-ID: On 02 Dec 13:41, Troy Harris wrote: > Doesn't all this *really* mean that the lads in HW are just running out > of original ideas? I thought most bands played old tracks on live albums? Dave. ObPartyTrack: the Utah Saints remix of "Silver Machine". -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Mon Dec 2 10:33:43 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 15:33:43 GMT Subject: BOC: first album Message-ID: Well, my brother lent me FoUO and the much maligned Live 1976. Ok, the sound is crap on Live.. , but the versions of SttS and Astronomy on there are incredible. I pestered him some more BOC, and he gave me AoF. After much, much, searching, the first album I actually *bought* was ....Imaginos. Yesterday, in fact. As a head flip, this album is the DB's. :-) Cheers, Neil. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 2 10:37:58 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:37:58 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Rodeo review Message-ID: Great review Rudy! >Gun Yeah, I can imagine this would be a great opener. "Name Your Monster" is probably STILL my favorite tBS track (although "My Civilization" and "Time Will Take Care of You" are right up there as well), but the've been using it for at least 2 years, so maybe it's time to try something new. The thing I always liked about "Name Your Monster" as an opener is the way it starts, with a very light guitar and some subdued drums on the intro, and then everyone crashing in on those 3 chords, and then Deb belting out the first verse. Very cool. But, "Gun" is a nice up-tempo song that just MOVES - with some more raw vocals from Deb to boot. >Medusa St. Vitus Dance "Medusa" has, and rightfully so, been a staple in recent sets, and I suspect "St. Vitus Dance" will become one as well. This is kind of a nice spot in the set for St. V - after 2 heavy hitters, this one is a bit more bouncy -- sort of like, "O.K., now that I have your attention, would ya like to dance?" >Date With a Guitar Locked Up Laura's Plastic Swords More into the new material, and 3 fine choices. How does "Locked Up" translate live? With Deb's whispered vocals on the CD, I didn't think this would necessarily translate well in a live show - I would think it would be too subtle. >Gimme Nothing My Civilization Back to the heavy hitters - my 2 personal favorites from *Trepanation*. Both should be staples in the set for some time IMHO. >Tender Was the Night (plenty of wah wah, Carl) Operation Luv (included a tasty drum and bass break) Nice. After the 2 heavy tunes, we lighten up (just a bit) and pick up the pace for a big finish. "Operation Luv" is kinda orgasmic and probably left the crowd a little breathless... >Overture (with guest Jack Rigg) Ooh - now I really wish I was there... I didn't suspect "Overture" was a candidate for the live set, but I hope it stays in there at least long enough so that I get to see it live. Was there any monologue by either Deb or Al before or after this song? (like when they did "Death Valley Nights" in Boston?) >Dominance and Submission (raucous Al laughter) Cool. This might be a good time to mention an idea that I've had for a few months now - whether or not tBS use is it is up to them. But, I was playing D&S on my bass one day and I got to the part before the last verse ("In Time Square now people do the polka...") where it's just bass and drums dominating the song before the vocals, and as I was tapping out the bass part (just going from E to F#), I suddenly got the idea to throw in the riff to "Tattoo Vampire" (which is actually in the key of G, but I just transposed it down a half step so it was also in F#), and suddenly thought "Yeah, let's jump right into 'Tattoo Vampire' here! Cool!". So, then after either doing the song (or part of it - maybe one verse and the chorus), you go back into the "Time Square" part of D&S (I think Carl once suggested doing something similar with "Sisters of the Precious Blood" instead of "Tattoo Vampire") and finish the song. Well, maybe I'm just hoping that tBS do "Tattoo Vampire" someday... >Red & Black Did Billy Hilfiger have to ask the soundman for permission? ;-) Nice - very nice indeed. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 2 10:44:15 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:44:15 -0500 Subject: tBS: Box Of Hammers - A Review Message-ID: Torgo: Very cool review (like the one you did for *Trepanation* - BTW, did you ever do one for *Eponymous*? If so, I'd like to read it) of *BoH*. I agree with your observations of the subtlies and DEPTH of this album, and think that the following quote you make really hits the nail on the head (no pun intended...well, maybe a little): >Unlike TREPANATION, which pulled me in with sheer force and MADE me like it, BOX OF HAMMERS slowly and quietly lured me in to my doom, a subtle note here and a funky lyric there, until I was trapped with no hope of escape. I like it here........... I wrote my initial thoughts on the album after 2 listens, and at the time thought that I prefered *Trepanation* better from a stylistic point of view. I then found myself playing *Box of Hammers* about 5 times in a row that day - no home of escape indeed... John From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Dec 2 06:56:01 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 11:56:01 +0000 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: > >> (This Future) > > i dont know. this is too me a very small deal.its just a few lines of > >drivel > >imo,and if i wrote it i would probably not care if someone else took > >credit for > >it.i dont think too much of it. > > Well, personally, I consider it a great piece in the unmistakeble Calvert style. > How can you say that Calvert probably wouldn't care if they took his lyrics? > Have you spoken to him recently (break out the oija board, folks, we need to > straighten this out!!) keep your sarcasm to your self please.if you will read above,you will see that i NEVER said anything about what bob may or may not feel about this.i stated how >I< would feel about it. and never mind the rest of my post.i can see that i was inaccurate on a few counts.i still say green finned is brock's tho. also i still believe that none of us has a clue to the reality of the situation,and we are not likely to ever understand it.who knows what passed between dave and bob prior to bob's death.what unwritten agreements were made? thing about verbal agreements with dead men, they dont stand in court,but thay can make it easy to sleep at night. i imagine,if calvert's and other's estates were concerned,there would probably be some contest going on about it even now. me,i could care less about the whole thing.im not one to worry about how the dead feel about the living.at least until they start using that hologram idea from red dwarf. rj From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 2 11:00:55 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 00:00:55 +0800 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > > Why is Dave Brock taking Bob Calvert songs in particular and slapping his own > name on their credits? I'm referring to the aptly named Business Trip album. > I presume Calvert's estate sees nothing of these royalties since the song > credits have been altered to Brock and sometimes Davey & Chadwick as well. This > disturbs me. Sorry, Paul, I don't buy the 'blues tradition' argument here. > What Brock (& co.) are doing smacks of greed and capitalism, and I'd go as far > as saying grave robbing in Calvert's case! How the FUCK can one justify > taking "Welcome to the Future" by Calvert, rename it to "This Future" and credit > it to Brock/Davey/Chadwick? This really disturbs me. Several song-credits have > been altered to Brock's favor on this album. Now, I do admire Brock both as an > artist and for keeping Hawkwind going as long as he has, but this is wrong. > Below is my original 'quiz' post - feel free to set me straight with a logical > explanation - "The Business Trip" - indeed: > As an album, I was really impressed with it. However, I do feel the ex-members should have been credited for their songs. I can see that because the current lineup has re-interpreted the songs, they deserve a credit, but surely songs such as "This Future" could have found room for an extra name on the credits. Most of the songs on "Future Reconstructions" bare no similarities to the originals, yet the original writers are credited. Maybe it's because they want it to appear to be all new material. I mean, when you look at it, the only fresh, new recording to come out is Alan's album! William From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Dec 2 06:59:20 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 11:59:20 +0000 Subject: HW: 1st Album Message-ID: Mike Parkington wrote: > > Max wrote: > - - - - - - - - > Listening to It is the Business while pursuing, with a friend, our > "experiments" with the ol' lysergic dethelymide, an interesting thing > occured. First, we discovered that a picture in Alien4 fitted in exactly > with a picture in a timothy leary book I was reading at the time > > etc. . . . . . . . > > There is obviously a moral to this story, it is possible to enjoy listening > to iitbotftbd, but it requires that the listener first ingests a > substantial quantity of powerful mind altering drugs. > i like the album.with or without drugs,but admit that it is not really consistent with what i would expect from a hw album.i was a bit disappointed at first,but now i accept it for what it is,and enjoy it. it made a new hawk-fan of a friend of mine(a dead-head),who had until then resisted my efforts to convert him.;) rj From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 2 11:07:56 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 00:07:56 +0800 Subject: HW: RE: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > > As for Calvert's case in particular, not only is he unable to do anything about > it (being dead and all) Did'nt Bob not make mention of chasing people for royalties, etc., on his live album? > and I find it extremely hypocritical to dedicate > 'Future Reconstructions' to his memory when they are basically ripping off > their dead friend at the same time! I don't regard that album as a proper HW album. In reality, it's just a compilation album by various other artists (of the new-fangled techno variety), using the name Hawkwind to sell the album. William From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Dec 2 07:14:27 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 12:14:27 +0000 Subject: BOC, first album Message-ID: Troy Harris wrote: > > Okay, > > So we have heard much of the first induction into HW from the fans, so > how about BOC? > my first was that i traded a doobie for the eight-track tape ver. of agents of fortune.i then listened to it non-stop for days.it was enuff for me to paint up a boc motiff on a denim jacket.i wore this jacket to a boc concert at the philadelphia spectrum in 82,and met a girl there who asked me to give her the jacket so she could hold it up for the band to see.the band didnt notice,so she threw it up on the stage. eric walked over and picked it up,held it up for the crowd,and hollered: "check it out!" he then folded it up neatly and placed it on one of the amps.i don't know what ever became of it.at that point a biker brawl broke out in our area,so we missed a good portion of the show. a couple of weeks later,i found a picture disc from boc.it was in the shape of the head of the lead cult guy on fire of unknown origin. it had burning for you live on one side,a really long version,and on the back was the most kick-ass version of flaming telepaths i ever heard. from then on,i was hooked. at a philadelphia gig in 93 or thereabouts,i saw boc at the chestnut cabaret.i talked to eric after the gig,and i believe it was his negative attitude that sort of doused my boc flame.he was apparently down on the band,and on philadelphia gigs in general.it was rather unpleasant. :( rj From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 2 11:24:36 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 00:24:36 +0800 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: skarsol wrote: > > > (The Dream Goes On) > > 1. If you guessed "The Business Trip" from 1993 and credit the song > > Brock, you are apparantly right! However, it's really called "The > > Iron Dream" and was written by Simon King and appeared on "Quark, > > Strangeness & Charm" in 1977 - strange huh? Just slap some lyrics > > about silicon chips in your head onto it, and it's a new song! > > perhaps the original iron dream was an interpretation of some lost > classical piece? Some of you may recall my reference to this music being used in a Japanese SF?Puppet show. Maybe they also reused an old classical piece? > > > (Green Finned Demon) > > 3. Okay, this one ain't hard. Of course it first appeared on the "Earth > > Ritual Preview" EP back in the early 80's, and later on the "Mighty Hawkwind > > Classics" CD. And, it was written by Brock/Calvert. But, take a look at "The > > Business Trip" album again, and you'll find that it's only credited to Brock - > > boy, it must have slipped his mind completely! Hey, lay off the weed, your > > memory's going! > > i dont know,but the 'earthed to the ground' album (1984) credits brock > alone with writing this tune.and it just doesn't seem like calvert's > style,to me.besides, > Maybe the original credit for Calvert was a boo-boo, since he wasn't in the band at the time. Album covers have been known to do that sort of thing before. > > (Do That) > > 4. Now, isn't it funny, it seems something is going on here that shouldn't be > > going on - because not only is this song called "You Shouldn't Do That" on > > "X In Search of Space" back in '71, it's also written by Brock/Turner. Slip > > sideways thru time to the future again, and you'll find out that apparantly > > Brock/Davey/Chadwick wrote this song especially for us on "The Business Trip"! > > > again,these lyrics sound like brock.i don't know if its so.but if brock > was responsible for the words,the tune is his.all that would leave to > nik is the sax,which is not present in the re-write.???? > It's not the complete song. Maybe Nik wrote the missing bits?? > > (The Right Stuff) > > 5. Ah, this one's easy! Bob Calvert again, obviously, on his solo album from > > 1974, "Captain Lockheed & the Starfighters". But, unbeknownst to us until > > 1993's "The Business Trip", Brock had a hand in its creation along with > > Calvert as well! > ya got us here,for sure.if hw played it w/out lyrics and put brock's > name on it w/out calvert's,i dont think there would be a problem.i think > probably calvert gave the > band a poem,and they wrote music for it.im with ya on this one tho',cos > these > lyrics are unquestionably calvert. > I seem to remember my copy of "Captain Lockhead..." crediting Brock as well? > maybe im splitting hairs,maybe not.but the fact is,none of US really > knows the deal on any of this,and becos of that,we should probably > withhold judgement.i have personally seen far too much kindness and > generosity from brock to think that he deserves > any label such as "greedy".i think what we have here,is a "1500.00 > paycheck, > and each of five members feeling that they deserve a 500.00 cut". > i am no writer,so these thots may not make much sense to most of you.try > to think about it and see if ya can understand what im trying to say. > sorry for babbling, rj As I said earlier in this piece as well, as these versions are not entirely accurate recreations of the originals (eg "Do That"), the it may be that the parts that the other ex-members were involved in have been removed from the new versions?? William From m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK Mon Dec 2 16:24:25 1996 From: m.r.varley at UCLAN.AC.UK (m.r.varley) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:24:25 GMT+0 Subject: BOC, SWU album Message-ID: > > I only wish Elektra would do the decent thing and release Soft White > Underbelly! > So can the BOC-L list initiate this?! Maybe with some support from one of its more famous members, Al? Martin (a different one) From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 2 11:40:48 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 00:40:48 +0800 Subject: HW: 1st Album Message-ID: Mike Parkington wrote: > > Max wrote: > - - - - - - - - > Listening to It is the Business while pursuing, with a friend, our > "experiments" with the ol' lysergic dethelymide, an interesting thing > occured. First, we discovered that a picture in Alien4 fitted in exactly > with a picture in a timothy leary book I was reading at the time > > etc. . . . . . . . > > There is obviously a moral to this story, it is possible to enjoy listening > to iitbotftbd, but it requires that the listener first ingests a > substantial quantity of powerful mind altering drugs. > One or two of the instrumentals on this album (ie "Tibet is Not China") are really good, although on the whole, it's not their best album (I would call it 'ambient Hawkwind'). I think most of it's problems lie in the fact that it is mostly instrumental, and mostly keyboard orientated. However, I wasn't as annoyed by this album as some others, mostly due to the fact that it was released not too long after "Electric Teepee", and not too long before "The Business Trip". William From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Dec 2 11:51:00 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:51:00 +0000 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! In-Reply-To: William Duffy's mail of Tue, 3 Dec 96 00:00 +0800 Message-ID: On 02 Dec 16:00, William Duffy wrote: > Maybe it's because they want it to appear to be all new material. I > mean, when you look at it, the only fresh, new recording to come out is > Alan's album! In retrospect, I think it was a shame to include "Death Trap", "Wastelands", and "Are You Losing Your Mind?" on Alien 4. Without them, the album would have been all new material, and very consistent. Then the live album would have come out with those three tracks in place, and would have added to the difference between the live and studio albums. But not even our heroic chrononauts can foresee the future. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Dec 2 10:54:45 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 02:54:45 +1100 Subject: HW: RE: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: > > Christian Mumford wrote: > > > > > As for Calvert's case in particular, not only is he unable to do anything about > > it (being dead and all) > > Did'nt Bob not make mention of chasing people for royalties, etc., on > his live album? I think he was going through a few court cases at the time of the Queen Elisabeth Hall album. I think also Steve Pond said something to the effect of him chasing HW for some royalties or credit for songs or something like that. I can't remember the details off hand. I personaly don't think that TOO much fuss should be made over crediting the "true" author of a text (be it s song or otherwise). There are a few reasons for this, one of the biggest reasons being that it is almost impossible to say that a certain person "created" a certain song. Another aspect is that if a song was created by HW, that is, for example, created by Bob while he was in HW, perhaps it should be just credited to HW? BUT, this being so, it is certainly polite to try to credit the artists involved. Even if the HW songs have evolved beyond their origional form it would still be nice if HW said something like "thanks to Bob" or something like that, in the credits. -Max Wilcox From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Mon Dec 2 11:58:25 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:58:25 +0100 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY??? Message-ID: skarsol wrote: >> >> (This Future) >> > i dont know. this is too me a very small deal.its just a few lines of >> >drivel >> >imo,and if i wrote it i would probably not care if someone else took >> >credit for >> >it.i dont think too much of it. >> >> Well, personally, I consider it a great piece in the unmistakeble Calvert style. >> How can you say that Calvert probably wouldn't care if they took his lyrics? >> Have you spoken to him recently (break out the oija board, folks, we need to >> straighten this out!!) > >keep your sarcasm to your self please.if you will read above,you will >see that i NEVER said anything about what bob may or may not feel >about this.i stated how >I< would feel about it. Sorry 'bout that - I misinterpreted that completely. Shoulda put a smiley face on the ouija board comment, it wasn't meant to be sarcasm. >and never mind the rest of my post.i can see that i was inaccurate on >a few counts.i still say green finned is brock's tho. > I agree he probably wrote most of it, but I don't see why Calvert's name should be left off if it was there originally. >also i still believe that none of us has a clue to the reality of the >situation,and we are not likely to ever understand it.who knows >what passed between dave and bob prior to bob's death.what unwritten >agreements were made? thing about verbal agreements with dead men, >they dont stand in court,but thay can make it easy to sleep at night. Okay, what do I know? Not a whole hell of a lot - I'm just a fan of their music, and to me their music represents an... idealism, if you like. I just feel that my illusions are in jeopardy here :). Brock & co. are people with their own motivations, and their motivations may be sound to them. But from my perspective I find it hard to justify this with any other reason than Brock ending up getting a bigger slice of the cake. That bothers me a bit. No, it is not Hawkwind's duty to be my 'moral guides' or whatever, I'm older than that. Oh, excuse me, I'm rambling.... >i imagine,if calvert's and other's estates were concerned,there >would probably be some contest going on about it even now. I'm not so sure Calvert's widow has the ability to do much about it (or even knows) - Calvert didn't pass on leaving a lot of money behind from what I understand. Who knows about Simon King??? And Turner and Brock have been fighting for years, so in their case it just comes off as a part of the regular squabble.... The Business Trip is one of my favorite latter day HW live albums, and when somebody pointed out the crediting inconsistencies, I just had to check, and flipped out a bit - if I came off as the 'Caped Copyright Avenger' or something, sorry. I just felt the issue needed pointing out though- Christian From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 2 12:54:01 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 12:54:01 -0500 Subject: BOC, SWU album Message-ID: > > I only wish Elektra would do the decent thing and release Soft White > Underbelly! > So can the BOC-L list initiate this?! Oh, I wish someone could initiate this. Prior to release of *Workshop of the Telescopes*, Sony had hinted at future releases, and an articl in ICE magazine mentioned that the demos were found in the Elektra vaults. I don't know if that means Sony could get their hands on them if they wanted (I assume if they did they could buy them from Elektra?), but sales of WOTT have probably got them thinking there's no $$ in doing so. On the other hand, I don't know if anyone (past or present) in BOC has any negotiating power as far as Elektra is concerned. Elektra paid SWU and SFG for the demos, so my guess is that Elektra owns all rights to them, and BOC owns none. BOC is probably not in any financial position to "buy back" any of the rights (NOTE: excuse my ignorance in these matters - the more I know about the music business, the more confused I am; and in addition, I really have no idea what the SWU/SFG deals with Elektra consisted of - other than the band was paid $$, they made demos, and were dropped from the label). Unfortunately, I assume that since there's only a few handfuls of BOC fans who would definitely buy this stuff, there probably doesn't appear to the affected parties (BOC, Sony, Elektra, others?) that they will do anything but lose money in doing this, so it may never happen... :-( Then again, maybe if BOC sees a resurgence in popularity, assuming the new album really happens, well who knows . . . But, my guess is that if you want the SWU/SFG stuff on a CD someday, someone who has the material will need to bootleg it (and no, I'm not advocating bootlegging -- I'm just saying I don't think this is going to happen through the legal recording industry channels). John From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Dec 2 09:09:21 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 14:09:21 +0000 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: > > > > i dont know,but the 'earthed to the ground' album (1984) credits brock > > alone with writing this tune.and it just doesn't seem like calvert's > > style,to me.besides, > > > > Maybe the original credit for Calvert was a boo-boo, since he wasn't in > the band at the time. Album covers have been known to do that sort of > thing before. this may be irrelevant. but lennon and mcartney made an agreement that all songs written by either,would bear both names,even tho the other may have contributed nothing to the WRITING of the tune.is it possible that some names included in original credits,were merely included as a way of tossing a friendly bone? i mean,the one song,i forget which one,was credited to moorcock's wife, even tho she had nothing to do with it.it was done that way,because of contractual obligations.but now,would make be wrong to put his own name on it? this is what i mean by saying we don't have a clue.i still think it should be left alone.who the hell do we think we are? ;) i don't think any of the involved parties need our championing them, and cant see how it will help anyway.all it does is breed harsh feelings,which i,for one can do without. rj From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Mon Dec 2 14:42:24 1996 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 20:42:24 +0100 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: hello all, finally a hot debate on BOC...on the MUCH neglected Mr. Calvert... first of all - if you want to know how Brock feels about Calvert and his contributions to HW - I just added the man's own statement on that to the Calvert site. I don't to go into the ongoings about every song from the appropriately entitled BUSINESS trip album - Christian did quite a good job on it - but...refering to one of the replies: it's got nothing to do with "hairsplitting": "This Future" is nothing else than Calvert's original poem "Welcome to the Future" - altered in no way whatsoever - musically / Calvert's performance obviously was better - but that's another point altogether. Whoever messed up the credits - there IS such a thing as a COPYRIGHT, however small / good / old the song might be - however dead the original composer might be. However, I am sure that Brock knows how much Hawkwind owe to Calvert - and vice versa - and I believe he's still appreciating the "heritage" - a lot of all time HW highlights came out of those Calvertian times of the band. Brock and Calvert - well, it was (at the time) the Lennon-McCartney combination - unbeatable as a team - and none of them as good on his own....unfortunately they didn't stick together that long... just imagine the HW story without 'Steppenwolf' / Quark / Hassan I Sahba / Robot etc etc..... - so, let's hope they keep their credits clear in the future...Mr. Calvert deserves it - Mr. Brock too. it's that simple. VideoFest Mediopolis Berlin e.V. Potsdamer Str. 96 D - 10785 Berlin Germany tel: *30 - 262 8714 fax: *30 - 262 8713 email: videofest at mediopolis.de http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Mon Dec 2 15:13:05 1996 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 15:13:05 E Subject: HW: Anthology booklet virtual copy Message-ID: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 It was posted about "The Approved History of HW 1967-82" Was this eventually posted anywhere. The "virtual copy" that is? cheers bryan From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Dec 2 16:33:32 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:33:32 -0500 Subject: BOC, first album Message-ID: In a message dated 96-12-02 10:18:01 EST, you write: << My first BOC album was OYFOOYK, which completely knocked me out. I got it when it first came out in 75, and at that time I had been listening to things like Alex Harvey, Stone the Crows and Gary Glitter! >> Hi Martin. I LOVED Stone The Crows! I'm looking for any live tapes of them. Got any? Maybe we could do a trade... Ric From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Dec 2 16:45:30 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:45:30 -0500 Subject: BOC, first album Message-ID: >Hi Martin. > >I LOVED Stone The Crows! I'm looking for any live tapes of them. Got any? > Maybe we could do a trade... > >Ric I have a dim and distant memory of the guitarist from Stone The Crows being killed after getting electrocuted on stage. Does anyone else remember this or is my memory completely shot (or at least that part of it pertaining to the '70s ;-) ? Martyn (who spells his name the PROPER way :-) :-) From ABrevard at SHL.COM Mon Dec 2 17:55:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R. (MSMail)) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 15:55:00 -0700 Subject: OFF: Some Humor for a bad day! Message-ID: Anyone having the post holiday blues at work/school today may get a quick howl out of this. Straight from the "Knuckleheads in the News Department" - ************************************************************************* ******************************* >From Computerworld - November 4, 1996 Matsushita Electric Industrial Co. and Panasonic Corp. were set to launch the Internet PC earlier this month. It featured a Web browser developed by Panasonic. In the interests of making the system user-friendly, the two firms licensed the cartoon character Woody Woodpecker as its mascot. But at the last minute, executives were forced to cancel the launch and the multimillion-dollar ad campaign, according to The San Jose Mercury News. It seems the Japanese marketers, unfamiliar with American idioms, had chosen the slogan: "Touch Woody, the Internet Pecker." No word yet on a new launch date or a new slogan. ************************************************************************* ********************************** AB @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ "...Here is the night: and here to watch me And lights and lights: and I far away and alone: The harvest is quiet, toward infinity (The spirit is quiet) poems go silently Into the night: into the night: I mean: only Shadow that comes back, that once was divided . . ." -Campana, excerpt from "Images From The Journey And The Mountain" "Every Poet is a Thief." Masqurade - Surface of Pain From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Mon Dec 2 17:26:30 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 23:26:30 +0100 Subject: BOC, first album Message-ID: Okay... I don't recall when exactly I first heard of BOC. I usually hear about a lot of stuff before I actually get a chance to listen to it - like most people, I guess. Anyway, I do remember the first time I heard them. It was on a French radio show called (for those French on the list who may know this) "La Saga du Rock" on the radio station RTL. It's a show I followed several years which featured a different band each week, playing excerpts of theirs songs (and a few full-length) accompanied by a history of the band. Most of the time, they'd feature famous bands such as Genesis, Toto, Bon Jovi, etc... but once in a while you could have some nice surprises with more obscure bands. And one day, they featured BOC. Well, in 88, BOC wasn't really all that famous, especially here in France. And since I had heard about them before, I was curious to hear their music. And that was it. I was hooked. The first album I bought, well... you may have guessed from the year mentioned above, though I didn't actually go for the latest released, but let us simply say that it was the ONLY album I could find in any record shop in those days... IMAGINOS, that is. Of course. Which still remains, to date, my favorite (even though, yes I know, it can't really be considered as a BOC album, but geez ! what an impressive album it is, all the same). The next I bought is hard to point out. It was either Spectres, FoUO or CE. I bought those three more or less at the same time. And after that, well, all the others (more or less) quickly followed. Finding them wasn't always an easy task, and I had to visit many different record shops in different cities (and sometimes countries, since I couldn't find "T&M" anywhere except in the States !)... the fact that I was exclusively buying the albums on tape didn't do much to help my quest, I guess, but it did make it kind of more fun *smile* And I did eventually manage to get all the studio albums (I'm still missing the three live ones, but I'll get them eventually !). Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash and more to come...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Dec 3 10:28:00 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:28:00 EST Subject: BOC, first album In-Reply-To: <9612022145.AA11446@borg.med.ecu.edu>; from "Martyn White" at Dec 3, 96 04:45:30 pm Message-ID: > > > Martyn (who spells his name the PROPER way :-) :-) > I'll Second that Marty(n) Lawrence From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Dec 2 18:50:36 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 18:50:36 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Rodeo review In-Reply-To: <329E49F0@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Nov 29, 96 00:22:00 am Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > > I caught the Brain Surgeons at the Rodeo Club last weekend and thought I'd > attempt a subjective review of the night. > [...] > I was hoping to bump into some other BOC-L members, especially Steve Swann > (I am You and You are I), but missed out. Anyway, here is the night's set > list (about 55 min): While a tBS show in Manhatten is *usually* a sure bet to find me at... I've actually missed something like the last _3_ now. And apparently that's the last scheduled show for some time. I'm sort of peeved at the chain of events that seems to be conspiring against me, here. I don't even know what a lot of the songs in the current set list sound like; I was planning on picking up my copy of _BoH_ at the show! Argh! Steve swann at panix.com From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Dec 2 18:08:45 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:08:45 +1100 Subject: HW: Spiral Realms Message-ID: Hi all, I've been listening to Spiral Realms' Solar Wind album a lot recently, and I was thinking of ordering their other albums - G9 and Eos. What do people think of them? I LOVE the stuff of theirs that I have heard so far - I've heard a couple of their studio songs from various compilations, and am impressed with all of it. Any recomendations? - Max Wilcox From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Dec 2 19:52:25 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 00:52:25 GMT Subject: HW: Spiral Realms Message-ID: On tis 3 dec 1996 10.08 "Max Wilcox" wrote: > I've been listening to Spiral Realms' Solar Wind album a lot recently, > and I was thinking of ordering their other albums - G9 and Eos. What do > people think of them? I have G9 and quite like it. However, I haven't got anything else but Simon House's "Yassasim" track on the EBS sampler, so I can't really compare! Cheers, Carl ObCD: _Alien 4_, Hawkwind From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Dec 2 20:45:53 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 20:45:53 -0500 Subject: BOC, first album Message-ID: In a message dated 96-12-02 16:47:51 EST, you write: << I have a dim and distant memory of the guitarist from Stone The Crows being killed after getting electrocuted on stage. Does anyone else remember this or is my memory completely shot (or at least that part of it pertaining to the '70s ;-) ? >> Les Harvey. And yes, he was electrocuted onstage when his guitar touched an (ungrounded?) mike stand. Sad deal... R. From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Dec 2 20:47:51 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:47:51 +1100 Subject: HW: OzHawks & the "Flying Doctor" Message-ID: Gidday All, OzHawks (The Australian Appreciation Society) is a happening thing ... copies of the December issue of "The Flying Doctor" will be available prior to Christmas by sending an IRC to: "OzHawks", PO Box 884, Mt Waverley, VIC, 3149 Australia The OzHawks WWW site will be up and going by the end of the week - I'll post the URL when it happens. Best, Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Dec 2 21:28:28 1996 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 21:28:28 -0500 Subject: BOC, SWU album Message-ID: >> I only wish Elektra would do the decent thing and release Soft White >> Underbelly! >> >>So can the BOC-L list initiate this?! > >Maybe with some support from one of its more famous members, Al? The main thing is that they've been found. If Columbia doesn't do it than maybe Rhino will. I doubt Elektra has any interest, especially if someone's willing to buy these old tapes. I've been hearing many rumors so I think it's just a matter of time before this stuff shows up. Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Mon Dec 2 21:29:04 1996 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 21:29:04 -0500 Subject: BOC, first album Message-ID: rj wrote: >at a philadelphia gig in 93 or thereabouts,i saw boc at the chestnut >cabaret.i talked to eric after the gig,and i believe it was his >negative attitude that sort of doused my boc flame.he was apparently >down on the band,and on philadelphia gigs in general.it was rather >unpleasant. :( rj Would it help if you knew that in all the music of BOC, past and =present= he's the most minor player? Al From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Dec 2 21:30:39 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 21:30:39 -0500 Subject: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions Message-ID: Didn't the same thing happen to Gary Thain of Uriah Heep and one of them dudes from Slade? I can see why the FM links are real popular... objCDPlayer: Rev. Billy C. Wirtz / Pianist Envy (w/t Deep Fried & Sanctified up next. Say AMEN!) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM[SMTP:Rocker22 at AOL.COM] Sent: Monday, December 02, 1996 8:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC, first album In a message dated 96-12-02 16:47:51 EST, you write: << I have a dim and distant memory of the guitarist from Stone The Crows being killed after getting electrocuted on stage. Does anyone else remember this or is my memory completely shot (or at least that part of it pertaining to the '70s ;-) ? >> Les Harvey. And yes, he was electrocuted onstage when his guitar touched an (ungrounded?) mike stand. Sad deal... R. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Now I've got to scour the rest of the CD, darn it ;) It only took me about 30 listens to find the first bit... Brian ObSong> Donkey Show From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Dec 2 22:57:51 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 19:57:51 -0800 Subject: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions Message-ID: You wrote: > >------ =_NextPart_000_01BBE099.A24D1780 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Didn't the same thing happen to Gary Thain of Uriah Heep Yup. Twice. He died some time later. Had damn bad hair, too. Wylie obcd: Rasputina. 3 girls sitting around playing cellos in Victorian underwear. How can ya top that? From RHamel4129 at AOL.COM Tue Dec 3 00:03:02 1996 From: RHamel4129 at AOL.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 00:03:02 -0500 Subject: Box 'O Hammers Mailing info Message-ID: Ok, I've been in MAJOR lurk mode. Could someone gimme the mail order onfo for Box of Hammers? I never got anything in the mail. So Al, when ya coming back to Mama Kin's? Rich From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Dec 3 00:59:20 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 00:59:20 -0500 Subject: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions In-Reply-To: <199612030357.TAA07245@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com> from "William Stone" at Dec 2, 96 07:57:51 pm Message-ID: > >Didn't the same thing happen to Gary Thain of Uriah Heep > > Yup. Twice. He died some time later. Had damn bad hair, too. I seem to remember it happening to one of the guitarists from Girlschool, too. (Don't ask me why I recall that piece of worthless trivia.) And didn't Keith Relf electrocute himself in a bathtub with an electric guitar, or some strange thing like that? Keith H. (FAA) From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Tue Dec 3 01:59:41 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:59:41 +1000 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! In-Reply-To: <199612021523.PAA05610@abel.ed.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Dave Berry wrote: > On 02 Dec 13:41, Troy Harris wrote: > > Doesn't all this *really* mean that the lads in HW are just running out > > of original ideas? > > I thought most bands played old tracks on live albums? > Yeah, correcto-mundo. But NOT usually on STUDIO albums. Troy From stayer at PI.NET Mon Dec 2 19:16:51 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 16:16:51 PST Subject: BOC, first album Message-ID: > My first buzz with them was way back in the 70's, when Some enchanted >evening was a new album. Being one of the youngest on the list I think, RBN was my first album - it was just released. Some friends of mine recommended it. I liked the heavy sound, with the menacing atmosphere. Right after that I got Mirrors and CE. Since I liked the heavy stuff, Mirrors was not my favourite album (and it still isn't, except for Vigil, Sunjester). CE was and still is my favourite, maybe second to Imaginos now. Jerry From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Tue Dec 3 04:15:04 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:15:04 +0000 Subject: BOC, first album In-Reply-To: <9612022145.AA11446@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: Les Harvey, guitarist with Stone the Crows and brother of the Sensational Alex, was electrocuted live on stage in Swansea, Wales, in 1972 (I think). It is a cruel twist of fate that his successor in STC, Jimmy McCullough (later of Wings) also died an early death. Incidentally, John Wetton actually survived an electric shock on stage in 1976 while playing live with Uriah Heep. Martin is the correct Anglo-Saxon spelling of the name derived from the Roman god of war Mars - Martyn is a more modern Welsh corruption! (If we're going to get personal!!!). Martin On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Martyn White wrote: > >Hi Martin. > > > >I LOVED Stone The Crows! I'm looking for any live tapes of them. Got any? > > Maybe we could do a trade... > > > >Ric > > I have a dim and distant memory of the guitarist from > Stone The Crows being killed after getting electrocuted on stage. > Does anyone else remember this or is my memory completely > shot (or at least that part of it pertaining to the '70s ;-) ? > > Martyn (who spells his name the PROPER way :-) :-) > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 3 05:28:40 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:28:40 GMT Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: On tis 3 dec 1996 16.59 "Troy Harris" wrote: > On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Dave Berry wrote: > > I thought most bands played old tracks on live albums? > > Yeah, correcto-mundo. But NOT usually on STUDIO albums. On the other hand, if we are counting "Mask of Morning" as an "old track" then I really can't complain. That remains one of my favorite neo-Hawkwind tracks as well as one of my favorite Hawkwind tracks, full stop. I don't understand why Dave didn't just whip up some new lyrics and call it an entirely different song ... (who would have noticed?) Cheers, Carl ObTape: _Manic Frustration_, Trouble From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Tue Dec 3 07:05:02 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:05:02 +0100 Subject: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions Message-ID: >> >Didn't the same thing happen to Gary Thain of Uriah Heep >> >> Yup. Twice. He died some time later. Had damn bad hair, too. > >I seem to remember it happening to one of the guitarists from Girlschool, too. >(Don't ask me why I recall that piece of worthless trivia.) > >And didn't Keith Relf electrocute himself in a bathtub with an electric guitar, >or some strange thing like that? > >Keith H. (FAA) > > I think he did it onstage? I do know it was in '76 when he was in Illusion. Christian From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Dec 3 03:34:51 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 08:34:51 +0000 Subject: BOC, first album Message-ID: Albert T Bouchard wrote: > > rj wrote: > > >at a philadelphia gig in 93 or thereabouts,i saw boc at the chestnut > >cabaret.i talked to eric after the gig,and i believe it was his > >negative attitude that sort of doused my boc flame.he was apparently > >down on the band,and on philadelphia gigs in general.it was rather > >unpleasant. :( rj > > Would it help if you knew that in all the music of BOC, past and =present= > he's the most minor player? > > Al heh,well,i realize that,now.at the time,i was not as well informed.i mean it is fairly safe to say im over it.;) i mean,there's no boycott or anything.i have since then bought the few remaining albums on cd,which i already had on lp. btw- you wouldn't happen to remember what ever happened to that jacket would you? ;) that was the tour you did with dokken and zebra.i think you were in hawaii or someplace the gig before,cos eric was drinking hawaiian beer. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Dec 3 03:41:11 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 08:41:11 +0000 Subject: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions Message-ID: Keith A Henderson wrote: > > > >Didn't the same thing happen to Gary Thain of Uriah Heep > > > > Yup. Twice. He died some time later. Had damn bad hair, too. > > I seem to remember it happening to one of the guitarists from Girlschool, too. > (Don't ask me why I recall that piece of worthless trivia.) > > Keith H. (FAA) i know why you remembered.there is a very vague hw connection.i talked to doug smith recently,and the possibility that paul mentioned about hw continuing on eventually to india came up(i have friends there).and he brought up the fact that he managed a trip to india for girlschool(of whom i dont think ive heard).there's another pointless bit of trivia for you. rj From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Dec 3 07:47:15 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 20:47:15 +0800 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: VideoFest Berlin wrote: >> However, I am sure that Brock knows how much Hawkwind owe to Calvert - and > vice versa - and I believe he's still appreciating the "heritage" - a lot of > all time HW highlights came out of those Calvertian times of the band. > Brock and Calvert - well, it was (at the time) the Lennon-McCartney > combination - unbeatable as a team - and none of them as good on his > own....unfortunately they didn't stick together that long... > I feel that HW are currently trying to recreate the Calvert era at present, with Ron stepping into the very difficult role originally performed by Robert. I think this shows how much the band miss that period in their history. William From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Dec 3 03:53:02 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 08:53:02 +0000 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > On tis 3 dec 1996 16.59 "Troy Harris" > wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Dave Berry wrote: > > > I thought most bands played old tracks on live albums? > > > > Yeah, correcto-mundo. But NOT usually on STUDIO albums. > > On the other hand, if we are counting "Mask of Morning" as an "old > track" then I really can't complain. That remains one of my favorite > neo-Hawkwind tracks as well as one of my favorite Hawkwind tracks, full > stop. I don't understand why Dave didn't just whip up some new lyrics and > call it an entirely different song ... (who would have noticed?) mask of morning,imo,counts as a complete re-write,and i like that sort of thing. i love to hear a completely different version of an old favorite.i agree,the new version kicks.it is one of the highlights of ET imo. rj From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Dec 3 07:59:14 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 20:59:14 +0800 Subject: Spiral Realms Message-ID: Craig Shipley wrote: > > ---------- > From: Max Wilcox[SMTP:s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU] > Sent: Monday, December 02, 1996 6:08 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: HW: Spiral Realms > > Hi all, > I've been listening to Spiral Realms' Solar Wind album a lot recently, > and I was thinking of ordering their other albums - G9 and Eos. What do > people think of them? I LOVE the stuff of theirs that I have heard so > far - I've heard a couple of their studio songs from various > compilations, and am impressed with all of it. > Any recomendations? > > - Max Wilcox > > Get the Crystal Jungles Of Eos NOW, if you like the others. I think that CJoE is the best of > all three. More music (right at one hour) and the tunes are downright catchy. Lotsa NASA samples, > too... > I would agree. The first one I got was "Trip to G9", which was ok, but didn't really offer much that I hadn't heard before. "Yassasim" is good but maybe a bit laid back. I was reluctant to buy "Crystal Jungles..." in case it was more of the same, and was plesantly surprized. William From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Tue Dec 3 07:47:29 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:47:29 +0000 Subject: BOC, first album In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I personally am quite soothed by this comment of Al's. As a long-time fan of BOC, I have always found EB to 'a bit of a pain'. This is purely a personal opinion, but I always felt that he was the least creative member of the group. It is interesting that this feeling was right! I love BOC and I wouldn't change anything about them, but I sometimes wish that EB didn't sing so much, especially on the later material. I apologise to all you EB fans out there, just my own opinion. Martin On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Albert T Bouchard wrote: > rj wrote: > > >at a philadelphia gig in 93 or thereabouts,i saw boc at the chestnut > >cabaret.i talked to eric after the gig,and i believe it was his > >negative attitude that sort of doused my boc flame.he was apparently > >down on the band,and on philadelphia gigs in general.it was rather > >unpleasant. :( rj > > Would it help if you knew that in all the music of BOC, past and =present= > he's the most minor player? > > Al > From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Dec 3 08:05:01 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 21:05:01 +0800 Subject: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions Message-ID: Craig Shipley wrote: > > Didn't the same thing happen to Gary Thain of Uriah Heep and one of them dudes from Slade? I can see why the FM links are real popular... > >From what I recall, Gary Thain suffered from a sleeping disorder, the name of which escapes me, where they would suddenly fall asleep at any time. I believe he fell asleep in the bath and drowned. Also, as far as I know, all members of Slade are still living. Didn't Steve Marriott die by electrocuting himself while practicing at home? William From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Tue Dec 3 08:27:49 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:27:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions Message-ID: > >i know why you remembered.there is a very vague hw connection.i talked >to doug smith >recently,and the possibility that paul mentioned about hw continuing on >eventually >to india came up(i have friends there).and he brought up the fact that >he managed >a trip to india for girlschool(of whom i dont think ive heard).there's >another >pointless bit of trivia for you. rj A stronger connection is of course the 'Headgirl' thing with Motorhead... Christian From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Dec 3 07:42:00 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:42:00 +0000 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! In-Reply-To: Troy Harris' mail of Tue, 3 Dec 96 16:59 +1000 Message-ID: On 03 Dec 06:59, Troy Harris wrote: > On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Dave Berry wrote: > > > On 02 Dec 13:41, Troy Harris wrote: > > > Doesn't all this *really* mean that the lads in HW are just running out > > > of original ideas? > > > > I thought most bands played old tracks on live albums? > > > > Yeah, correcto-mundo. But NOT usually on STUDIO albums. I don't see the connection between misattributing writing credits on a live album (The Business Trip) and running out of original ideas. They seem like two separate questions to me. They seem to have plenty of muscial ideas left. Lyrically they've been a bit weak; Calvert was definitely the best lyricist the band ever had. Several of the tracks that they've reworked have been very different musically - e.g. Mask Of Morning and The Camera That Could Lie. They just needed new lyrics to be completely new songs. Death Trap doesn't fit this model though, which is why I think it would have been better left off the studio album. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 3 08:56:23 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:56:23 +0000 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! In-Reply-To: <32A42152.582E@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, William Duffy wrote: > I feel that HW are currently trying to recreate the Calvert era at > present, with Ron stepping into the very difficult role originally > performed by Robert. I think this shows how much the band miss that > period in their history. I reckon that this is quite largely because Davehates being the front-man so much. Now they've got the new guitarist as well, I'll be surprised if he ever steps out from behind the synths. I think you could do worse than Ron Tree as a Calvert clone, although webbing and camouflage fatigues are _no way_ as good as goggles and jodhpurs. Also, Ron will never get the chance to stab Lemmy with a sword on stage... Jazza /_______________________________________________________________________\ | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge | | (01223 327450) jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | ======================================================================| | "Now, back me up on this, but isn't it always the same? You've just | | got on the phone and the bath starts running? Back me up!" Harry Hill | \_______________________________________________________________________/ From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Dec 3 09:04:42 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:04:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions In-Reply-To: <32A3E7A7.561E@erols.com> from "skarsol" at Dec 3, 96 08:41:11 am Message-ID: RJ suggests... > > Keith A Henderson wrote: > > > > > >Didn't the same thing happen to Gary Thain of Uriah Heep > > > > > > Yup. Twice. He died some time later. Had damn bad hair, too. > > > > I seem to remember it happening to one of the guitarists from Girlschool, t oo. > > (Don't ask me why I recall that piece of worthless trivia.) > > > > > Keith H. (FAA) > > i know why you remembered.there is a very vague hw connection.i talked > to doug smith > recently,and the possibility that paul mentioned about hw continuing on > eventually > to india came up(i have friends there).and he brought up the fact that > he managed > a trip to india for girlschool(of whom i dont think ive heard).there's > another > pointless bit of trivia for you. rj > Well, I think it probably has a lot more to do with their relationship with Lemmy & Co...they toured together a time or two, and I think even appeared together on an album or EP...perhaps the St. Valentine Day Massacre thingy?? Of course, that's a HW connection in itself. Keith H. (FAA) From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Tue Dec 3 09:05:46 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:05:46 +0100 Subject: BOC, first album Message-ID: My story is fairly short: Some years ago, my axe-weilding friend Ray, being a huge Godzilla fan, picked up the BOC tape with that track on it - he played it constantly in his car, but only the Godzilla song - we both agreed at the time that it was the only good song on there... So, last year I picked up a cheap 4CD set called 'rock legends' because I needed a quick 70's/80's rock fix - there was, among a couple of great live BOC songs (DFTR and Born to be Wild), stuff by Hawkwind, Motorhead, Black Sabbath (most of which I already had), and stuff by Atomic Rooster, Uriah Heep, Sensational Alex Harvey Band, T. Rex, Magnum (argh!), Girlschool... and others. Anyway, the BOC stuff prompted me to pick up 'Career of Evil', and then some months later I found this list - and eventually picked up the 'Workshop of the Telescopes' compilation. Now I'm eyeballing that used copy of 'Imaginos' at the second hand store across town... I traded off the box set after I got my fix tho'. Why are no 'Imaginos' tracks on either of the BOC comps. BTW? Christian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 3 09:19:52 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:19:52 GMT Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: On tis 3 dec 1996 13.56 "Jon Jarrett" wrote: > Also, Ron will never get the chance to stab Lemmy with a > sword on stage... This is probably just as well for both of them ;) Cheers, Carl ObSong: "Fireball Demon", Cathedral From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 3 09:21:43 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:21:43 GMT Subject: BOC, first album Message-ID: On tis 3 dec 1996 15.05 "Christian Mumford" wrote: > > Why are no 'Imaginos' tracks on either of the BOC comps. BTW? IMO, because _Imaginos_ is way cool and the current BOC incarnation is embarrassed they had virtually nothing to do with it :) Cheers, Carl From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Tue Dec 3 09:22:39 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:22:39 +0100 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: >On 03 Dec 06:59, Troy Harris wrote: >> >> > On 02 Dec 13:41, Troy Harris wrote: >> > > Doesn't all this *really* mean that the lads in HW are just running out >> > > of original ideas? >> > >> > I thought most bands played old tracks on live albums? >> > >> >> Yeah, correcto-mundo. But NOT usually on STUDIO albums. >> On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Dave Berry wrote: >They just needed new lyrics to be completely new songs. >Death Trap doesn't fit this model though, which is why I think it >would have been better left off the studio album. > >Dave. They started a bad trend with the Sonic Attack album in '81 - so it's not like it's a new thing... Now, if only they released _less_ albums, they'd have time to come up with new stuff instead of recycling old stuff :). Christian From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Tue Dec 3 09:24:30 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:24:30 +0000 Subject: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions In-Reply-To: <199612031205.NAA11714@kirov.eunet.no> Message-ID: Keith Relf definitely electrocuted himself playing electric guitar in the bath in either 76 or 77. Martin On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > >> >Didn't the same thing happen to Gary Thain of Uriah Heep > >> > >> Yup. Twice. He died some time later. Had damn bad hair, too. > > > >I seem to remember it happening to one of the guitarists from Girlschool, too. > >(Don't ask me why I recall that piece of worthless trivia.) > > > >And didn't Keith Relf electrocute himself in a bathtub with an electric guitar, > >or some strange thing like that? > > > >Keith H. (FAA) > > > > > > I think he did it onstage? I do know it was in '76 when he was in Illusion. > > Christian > From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Tue Dec 3 09:25:33 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:25:33 +0100 Subject: BOC, first album Message-ID: >On tis 3 dec 1996 15.05 "Christian Mumford" > wrote: >> >> Why are no 'Imaginos' tracks on either of the BOC comps. BTW? > > IMO, because _Imaginos_ is way cool and the current BOC incarnation is >embarrassed they had virtually nothing to do with it :) What do you mean...? It's the current line-up, no? Christian (confused by Carl's comment) From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Tue Dec 3 09:27:21 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:27:21 +0000 Subject: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions In-Reply-To: <199612031404.JAA03174@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Girl School duetted with Motorhead on the Johnny Kidd song 'Please Don't Touch' on the St Valentine's Day Massacre 10-inch single. Martin On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Keith A Henderson wrote: > RJ suggests... > > > > Keith A Henderson wrote: > > > > > > > >Didn't the same thing happen to Gary Thain of Uriah Heep > > > > > > > > Yup. Twice. He died some time later. Had damn bad hair, too. > > > > > > I seem to remember it happening to one of the guitarists from Girlschool, t > oo. > > > (Don't ask me why I recall that piece of worthless trivia.) > > > > > > > > Keith H. (FAA) > > > > i know why you remembered.there is a very vague hw connection.i talked > > to doug smith > > recently,and the possibility that paul mentioned about hw continuing on > > eventually > > to india came up(i have friends there).and he brought up the fact that > > he managed > > a trip to india for girlschool(of whom i dont think ive heard).there's > > another > > pointless bit of trivia for you. rj > > > > Well, I think it probably has a lot more to do with their relationship with > Lemmy & Co...they toured together a time or two, and I think even appeared > together on an album or EP...perhaps the St. Valentine Day Massacre thingy?? > > Of course, that's a HW connection in itself. > > Keith H. (FAA) > From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Tue Dec 3 10:32:43 1996 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Jason Scruton) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:32:43 -0500 Subject: BOC, first album Message-ID: Well Christian, >and others. Anyway, the BOC stuff prompted me to pick up 'Career of Evil', and >then some months later I found this list - and eventually picked up the >'Workshop of the Telescopes' compilation. Now I'm eyeballing that used copy of >'Imaginos' at the second hand store across town... I traded off the box set >after I got my fix tho'. Why are no 'Imaginos' tracks on either of the BOC >comps. BTW? Probably because its debateable(sp?) whether its a full fledged BOC album and it usually the practice for most compilations to stick to the era in which a band had a fair amount of commercial appeal/success. But some of those tunes do truly deserve to go on a "best of" package. (the stop button is pressed when the thought of asking the list what its "Best of BOC" CD/LP/8 track would look like) pacing anxiously in front of the mailbox for Box of Hammers, Jason From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Tue Dec 3 09:46:31 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:46:31 -0000 Subject: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions Message-ID: No, I am sure Steve died in a fire at his house. He lived near me. Mike P ---------- From: William Duffy[SMTP:xl5 at IINET.NET.AU] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 1996 01:05 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions Craig Shipley wrote: > > Didn't the same thing happen to Gary Thain of Uriah Heep and one of them dudes from Slade? I can see why the FM links are real popular... > >>From what I recall, Gary Thain suffered from a sleeping disorder, the name of which escapes me, where they would suddenly fall asleep at any time. I believe he fell asleep in the bath and drowned. 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Cheers, Carl From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Tue Dec 3 09:58:38 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:58:38 +0100 Subject: BOC, first album Message-ID: >On tis 3 dec 1996 15.25 "Christian Mumford" > wrote: >> >> Why are no 'Imaginos' tracks on either of the BOC comps. BTW? >> > >> > IMO, because _Imaginos_ is way cool and the current BOC incarnation >> >is embarrassed they had virtually nothing to do with it :) >> >> What do you mean...? It's the current line-up, no? > > Ah! No! Far from it, in fact! Grab the BOC FAQ and read all about it. > It was originally an Al B. solo project that got "borrowed" and had a few >bits and pieces dubbed on by Eric & Buck & Co. > >Cheers, >Carl Aaaah, yes, I remember - I *did* read the FAQ when I first joined! Bummer man. In fact there's a paralell to Hawkwind here.... nah, I won't bring it up...:) Christian From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Dec 3 10:01:55 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:01:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions Message-ID: In a message dated 96-12-03 08:09:22 EST, you write: << Didn't Steve Marriott die by electrocuting himself while practicing at home? >> I thought Steve died in a fire... R. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Dec 3 10:04:40 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:04:40 -0500 Subject: BOC, first album Message-ID: In a message dated 96-12-03 09:22:13 EST, you write: << On tis 3 dec 1996 15.05 "Christian Mumford" wrote: > > Why are no 'Imaginos' tracks on either of the BOC comps. BTW? IMO, because _Imaginos_ is way cool and the current BOC incarnation is embarrassed they had virtually nothing to do with it :) >> Nice try, but my understanding is that the band had no input on Career Of Evil and little input on Workshop. The tracks were selected by the "Wizards" at CBS/Sony. R. From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Tue Dec 3 10:09:31 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:09:31 +0800 Subject: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions Message-ID: Mike Parkington wrote: > > No, > > I am sure Steve died in a fire at his house. He lived near me. > > Mike P > > ---------- > From: William Duffy[SMTP:xl5 at IINET.NET.AU] > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 1996 01:05 > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: Re: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions > > Craig Shipley wrote: > > > > Didn't the same thing happen to Gary Thain of Uriah Heep and one of them dudes from Slade? I can see why the FM links are real popular... > > > > >From what I recall, Gary Thain suffered from a sleeping disorder, the > name of which escapes me, where they would suddenly fall asleep at any > time. I believe he fell asleep in the bath and drowned. Also, as far as > I know, all members of Slade are still living. > > Didn't Steve Marriott die by electrocuting himself while practicing at > home? > > William > > Name: WINMAIL.DAT > Part 1.2 Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) > Encoding: x-uuencode Now you mention it, I think it was a fire started via an electrical fault. William From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Tue Dec 3 10:17:02 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:17:02 +0000 Subject: BOC, first album In-Reply-To: <199612031425.PAA17866@kirov.eunet.no> Message-ID: Imaginos is certainly not by the current BOC line-up - it's not even a BOC album really. To save clogging up the e-mail lines with a well-covered topic I would suggest you take a look at the large section about Imaginos in the BOC FAQ. Martin On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > >On tis 3 dec 1996 15.05 "Christian Mumford" > > wrote: > >> > >> Why are no 'Imaginos' tracks on either of the BOC comps. BTW? > > > > IMO, because _Imaginos_ is way cool and the current BOC incarnation is > >embarrassed they had virtually nothing to do with it :) > > What do you mean...? It's the current line-up, no? > > Christian (confused by Carl's comment) > From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Dec 3 10:34:02 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:34:02 -0500 Subject: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions Message-ID: William wrote: >>From what I recall, Gary Thain suffered from a sleeping disorder, the >name of which escapes me, where they would suddenly fall asleep at any >time. I believe he fell asleep in the bath and drowned. Also, as far as >I know, all members of Slade are still living. I think the disorder is called sleep apnoea (sp?). BTW I hate to admit that Slade was my favorite band when I was in my early teens. Noddy Holder still comes in the post office where my mom works in Quarry Bank Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Dec 3 10:45:09 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:45:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: Harveys Message-ID: Martin wrote: >Les Harvey, guitarist with Stone the Crows and brother of the Sensational >Alex, was electrocuted live on stage in Swansea, Wales, in 1972 (I think). I wasn't aware of this connection. Didn't some ill fate also befall Alex Harvey. I remember seeing the sensational Alex Harvey band in about '72 with Alex as front man. But a few years later they were calling themselves the SAHB band or some sort and he was missing. >Martin is the correct Anglo-Saxon spelling of the name derived from the >Roman god of war Mars - Martyn is a more modern Welsh corruption! (If >we're going to get personal!!!). > >Martin I knew about the Roman connection but not about the Welsh. Are you sure that is correct? My first wife used to call me "Martian" Cheers Mart From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Tue Dec 3 10:52:50 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:52:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Masters of The Universe Message-ID: Isn't it funny that Mattell used the name for their silly action figure line? Now if we had Hawkwind action figures.... like from the Hawklords books... Hey, I wanna play pretend! Skeletor (the skull guy) - ???? maybe Lemmy? Orko (the little flying wizard guy)- Del Dettmar Stratos (the winged guy) - Nik Turner Zodak (the cosmic chair guy w/the raygun) - Bob Calvert Teela (the only chick on the entire planet!) - Miss Stacia He-Man (the blonde butch guy) - ???? Mer-Man (the fish guy) - ???? Beast-Man (the animal guy) - Lemmy Man-at-arms (the inventor guy) - Dik Mik Man-e-faces (the guy with all the... faces) - Ron Tree Oh, I need to grow up.... any ideas? Hello? Where'd everybody go? Christian (still sitting in the sandbox after dark...) From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Tue Dec 3 11:15:38 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:15:38 +0100 Subject: OFF: Harveys Message-ID: >Martin wrote: >>Les Harvey, guitarist with Stone the Crows and brother of the Sensational >>Alex, was electrocuted live on stage in Swansea, Wales, in 1972 (I think). > > I wasn't aware of this connection. Didn't some ill fate also >befall Alex Harvey. I remember seeing the sensational Alex Harvey band >in about '72 with Alex as front man. But a few years later they were >calling themselves the SAHB band or some sort and he was missing. Didn't Alex Harvey die of a heart attack in 1980 or thereabouts??? Christian From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Dec 3 07:32:59 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:32:59 +0000 Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: Dave Berry wrote: > They seem to have plenty of muscial ideas left. Lyrically they've > been a bit weak; Calvert was definitely the best lyricist the band > ever had. Several of the tracks that they've reworked have been > very different musically - e.g. Mask Of Morning and The Camera That > Could Lie. They just needed new lyrics to be completely new songs. > Death Trap doesn't fit this model though, which is why I think it > would have been better left off the studio album. i think dave was a decent writer,when he wrote.i think maybe (this is a guess), he is still capable of writing the same sort of stuff,but because of his 'growing up' (heh),the same stuff he used to write might sound too silly to himself,for him to want to share it with the world.and since love songs are out (hallelujah!),that only leaves politico,which is no longer even interesting. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Dec 3 07:36:12 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:36:12 +0000 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > They started a bad trend with the Sonic Attack album in '81 - so it's not like > it's a new thing... Now, if only they released _less_ albums, they'd have > time to come up with new stuff instead of recycling old stuff :). > > Christian BITE YOUR TONGUE!!!!!!!!!!!! :) RJ From ABrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 3 13:10:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R. (MSMail)) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 11:10:00 -0700 Subject: BOC first album Message-ID: Troy Said - So we have heard much of the first induction into HW from the fans, so how about BOC? Cake! In 1975 I saw BOC for the first time. The Tour was entitled "On Your Feet or On Your Knees" Never had I experiecened such a concert. Instant fan. Bought OYFOOYK two days later and spun it for a solid two weeks non-stop. The Subhuman is the one track I use to introduce anyone to BOC. Sure there are more familiar radio ready songs for a casual fan, but Subhuman qualifies as one of the greatest single tracks in the bands history. The first three albums followed shortly thereafter. Everything up to Mirrors was purchased the year it came out. Suffered from some technical difficulties in the early 80's (can you say disco and chicks in the same breath?) so only within the last couple of years were the other recordings purchased. John Swartz Said - Elektra paid SWU and SFG for the demos, so my guess is that Elektra owns all rights to them, and BOC owns none. BOC is probably not in any financial position to "buy back" any of the rights (NOTE: excuse my ignorance in these matters - the more I know about the music business, the more confused I am; and in addition, I really have no idea what the SWU/SFG deals with Elektra consisted of - other than the band was paid $$, they made demos, and were dropped from the label). Unfortunately, I assume that since there's only a few handfuls of BOC fans who would definitely buy this stuff, there probably doesn't appear to the affected parties (BOC, Sony, Elektra, others?) that they will do anything but lose money in doing this, so it may never happen... :-( Sad but probably all too true. There is little point in selling this if there is no revenue to be realized by anyone. Elecktra probably wrote of the expense of purchasing the demo's many years ago, anything they get for selling the rights would now count as profit but what is a reasonable price for this property? Demos bound to have little commercial value. There is perhaps another way of doing this though. Instead of buying the demos outright, buy a license to re-record the songs or to distribute them. A little upfront cash and a royalty driven revenue stream may do the trick, again though what would be the point if you only sold a couple hundred copies? Al said - "Would it help if you knew that in all the music of BOC, past and =present= he's the most minor player?" You may want to add future to this also. At Jaxx Eric sang one song and timidly sat behind the keys all night long. Not like him at all. Eric is either in the midst of bad health or the band is moving forward by making Buck the front man. Buck singing Cities on Flame was one of the most unusual things I have heard in a looooong time. AB "Every Poet is a thief" - Masquerade, Surface of Pain From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 3 12:53:33 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:53:33 -0500 Subject: BOC: Bloom Message-ID: >You may want to add future to this also. At Jaxx Eric sang one song and timidly sat behind the keys all night long. Not like him at all. Eric is either in the midst of bad health or the band is moving forward by making Buck the front man. Buck singing Cities on Flame was one of the most unusual things I have heard in a looooong time. Rumor has it that Eric has been resting his voice for the new album and beyond. He presumably strained it pretty good several months ago and never properly rested it as BOC was touring. I'll be interested in seeing what happens at BOC's upcoming show in Indy. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 3 12:57:19 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:57:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: No Imaginos on WOTT Message-ID: Rocker22 sez: > Nice try, but my understanding is that the band had no input on Career Of Evil and little input on Workshop. The tracks were selected by the "Wizards" at CBS/Sony. Probably true, but I have heard that the final list of selections was run by Bloom and Dharma for WOTT -- I don't suspect they mentioned the fact that there were no Imaginos selections on there. In a similar vein, 3OC only did songs from Imaginos in their sets for a very limited time. John From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Tue Dec 3 13:21:30 1996 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 18:21:30 GMT Subject: BOC: Bloom Message-ID: >Buck singing Cities on Flame was one of the >most unusual things I have heard in a looooong time. > > >Rumor has it that Eric has been resting his voice for the new album and >beyond. He presumably strained it pretty good several months ago and >never properly rested it as BOC was touring. I'll be interested in seeing >what happens at BOC's upcoming show in Indy. Lets hope this is the case. I'll be the first to admit that Bucks voice is better than Eric's, but wihout Eric, it wouldn't bee the same. Eric puts the "Blue" in Blue Oyster Cult.... Joe From reyes at ALUX4.MICRO.LUCENT.COM Tue Dec 3 13:26:25 1996 From: reyes at ALUX4.MICRO.LUCENT.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:26:25 EST Subject: BOC: Bloom Message-ID: yea, he probably wasn't as creative as others, but his role, as far as i saw it, was as a front man. which he was pretty good at. he sang ok too, given the right songs. i don't think you can knock his overall contribution to the band's success. he was good at what he did for BOC. rr From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 3 13:03:30 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 18:03:30 +0000 Subject: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions In-Reply-To: <32A4257D.F44@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: In message <32A4257D.F44 at iinet.net.au>, William Duffy writes >Didn't Steve Marriott die by electrocuting himself while practicing at >home? No. Poor Steve was in a house fire and didn't get out in time. He was asleep when it started. -- Jon Browne From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Dec 3 14:47:22 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:47:22 -0600 Subject: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions In-Reply-To: <9612031534.AA12667@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Martyn White wrote: > William wrote: > >From what I recall, Gary Thain suffered from a sleeping disorder, the > >name of which escapes me, where they would suddenly fall asleep at any > >time. I believe he fell asleep in the bath and drowned. Also, as far as > >I know, all members of Slade are still living. > I think the disorder is called sleep apnoea (sp?). No sir. Sleep apnea is when a sleeping person stops breathing for any amount of time. It's related to chronic snoring. Falling asleep at any time is actually narcolepsy (I think). Of course, if you forget the word, you can always do what I do: refer to it as "the opposite of insomnia". :) Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Tue Dec 3 15:23:16 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 14:23:16 -0600 Subject: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions In-Reply-To: from "QUEST" at Dec 3, 96 01:47:22 pm Message-ID: > No sir. Sleep apnea is when a sleeping person stops breathing for any > amount of time. It's related to chronic snoring. Falling asleep at any > time is actually narcolepsy (I think). Of course, if you forget the word, > you can always do what I do: refer to it as "the opposite of insomnia". > :) > > Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but Absolutly correct, including spelling! ;-) -- "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." - Albert Einstein Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6982 From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Tue Dec 3 15:56:27 1996 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:56:27 -0500 Subject: HW: Reworking Old Songs Message-ID: >They started a bad trend with the Sonic Attack album in '81 - so it's not like >it's a new thing... Now, if only they released _less_ albums, they'd have >time to come up with new stuff instead of recycling old stuff :). > >Christian I have to agree. It always aggravated me that HW would do so much recycling of old songs on "new" albums. I would prefer that they just released entirely new material and saved reworkings of old songs exclusively for live shows. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Dec 3 16:07:37 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 22:07:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Masters of The Universe Message-ID: Mumford wrote; >Isn't it funny that Mattell used the name for their silly action figure line? >Now if we had Hawkwind action figures.... like from the Hawklords books... Hey, >I wanna play pretend! > >Skeletor (the skull guy) - ???? maybe Lemmy? No Thomas Quick is better! >Orko (the little flying wizard guy)- Del Dettmar >Stratos (the winged guy) - Nik Turner >Zodak (the cosmic chair guy w/the raygun) - Bob Calvert >Teela (the only chick on the entire planet!) - Miss Stacia >He-Man (the blonde butch guy) - Well, He-Man that's a part for me (big, blond, Viking). >Mer-Man (the fish guy) - Troy could have this part. >Oh, I need to grow up.... Yes you have to... :-) And please stop listen to all those silly rockbands... it can damage your brain seriously. >any ideas? Hello? Where'd everybody go? > >Christian (still sitting in the sandbox after dark...) Call me next time you're feeling alone in the sandbox. -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Dec 3 16:28:38 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:28:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Masters of The Universe Message-ID: >>He-Man (the blonde butch guy) - > >Well, He-Man that's a part for me (big, blond, Viking). >..... > -Daniel Hey!! You're not the guy in the Live Chronicles video, are you??? :-) Martyn From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 3 16:33:28 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson EL84) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:33:28 EDT Subject: BOC: Bloom Message-ID: : >>From Ross: > yea, he probably wasn't as creative as others, but his > role, as far as i saw it, was as a front man. which > he was pretty good at. he sang ok too, given the right > songs. > I agree with Ross. As a composer, he hasn't had the output of BD or AB in shaping BOC's sound, but from the very first time I saw them [which predates the birth of many on BOC-L] he was the quintessential frontman. His onstage personna stayed with me more than BD's amazing guitar playing, even though, as a youthful guitarist, BD was already my hero. I always thought EB [at least in the early days--you can't hold age against anyone] was the essence of on-stage cool. And his voice always had a subcurrent of humor yet also agressiveness that added a key edge to BOC's overall sound... > i don't think you can knock his overall contribution to > the band's success. he was good at what he did for BOC. > > rr Agreed. I think a lot of the source of dissatisfaction with EB has come about 'cause he's seen by many [perhaps correctly] as the person behind AL's ouster from the band and subsequent disgraceful treatment over Imaginos. I think there's plenty of blame to go around on that one... theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 3 17:41:52 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 22:41:52 GMT Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: On tis 3 dec 1996 12.32 skarsol wrote: > i think dave was a decent writer,when he wrote.i think maybe (this is a > guess), > he is still capable of writing the same sort of stuff,but because of his > 'growing up' (heh),the same stuff he used to write might sound too silly > to > himself,for him to want to share it with the world.and since love songs > are out > (hallelujah!),that only leaves politico,which is no longer even > interesting. Heck Dave, so go back to the Monster Space Mystical Freak-outs. He turned out album after album of great stuff in that vein. Maybe he got intimidated by Calvert's lyric writing? He seems to have been much more restrained in the post-Calvert years. But where now are the likes of "7 by 7", "Down Through the Night", "Lord of Light", "Space is Deep", "Time We Left", "Psychedelic Warlords", "You Better Believe It", "Paradox", "Assault & Battery", "Golden Void", etc.? Well, there's Alan Davey writing "LSD", "Sputnik Stan", "Xenomorph" .. Best Brock moments of the decade (IMO) go to "Mask of Morning", "Alien (I Am)", and "Love in Space". I can't imagine the lyrics to "Love in Space" took long, and he already _had_ the lyrics to "Mask of Morning". Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 3 17:44:33 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 22:44:33 GMT Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: Strangely, no one has mentioned the writing credits for "Assassins" on _Love in Space_, which contains a very large quantity of "Space Is Their Palestine", but is still credited to Calvert/Rudolf [sic] alone. So there's a opportunity for "money-grubbing" passed by. Clearly this situation is more complex than meets the eye. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 3 17:48:16 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 22:48:16 GMT Subject: BOC: Bloom Message-ID: On tis 3 dec 1996 13.26 "Ross Reyes" wrote: > i don't think you can knock his overall contribution to > the band's success. he was good at what he did for BOC. Whatever his shortcomings as a musician/singer may be, I have to say I got a real kick out of him as a front man on the Live 1976 video :) He was just fine in concert when I saw BOC in the last few years too. Mind you, he lost points for continually announcing vaporware albums and ignoring me when I attempted to get an autograph, but you can't have everything. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 3 17:52:31 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 22:52:31 GMT Subject: HW: Reworking Old Songs Message-ID: On tis 3 dec 1996 15.56 "John Majka" wrote: > It always aggravated me that HW would do so much recycling > of old songs on "new" albums. I would prefer that they just released > entirely new material and saved reworkings of old songs exclusively for > live shows. Occasional studio recycling I don't mind when it is done sparingly--Tull and Fairport have done some nice jobs on this. I do feel that Hawkwind are perhaps going beyond the strictly reasonable, though. Cheers, Carl From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Dec 3 17:55:13 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:55:13 -0500 Subject: BOC: Bloom Message-ID: In a message dated 96-12-03 17:48:17 EST, theo wrote: << I think a lot of the source of dissatisfaction with EB has come about 'cause he's seen by many [perhaps correctly] as the person behind AL's ouster from the band and subsequent disgraceful treatment over Imaginos. I think there's plenty of blame to go around on that one... >> Did you mean AL's (Allen Lanier) or AB's (Albert's)? If AL's, I'm guessing that got resolved YEARS ago as AL has been back for years. If you mean AB, my understanding is that AB was responsible for his own ouster. It would seem to me that it would have to have been a majority of the band voting to oust Albert. However, Albert would know better than I would. As for the Imaginos treatment, that seems to have come from the entire band, not just EB. However, I agree that it was a pretty shitty thing to do... R. From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Dec 3 14:20:57 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 19:20:57 +0000 Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > Well, there's Alan Davey writing "LSD", "Sputnik Stan", "Xenomorph" > .. no,no,no. xenomorph (the lyrics anyway)belongs entirely to ron tree.he gave me a 20 minute breakdown of the lyrics last year.he is quite proud of the song, and i give him due credit.he was particularly happy with his use of the word 'allotrios',which,he said,was a latin word meaning something like twin,or doppel- ganger (i cant remember exactly,we were having a lot of fun).i have not been able to find this word or any form of it in a dictionary.davey wrote the music. not to discredit alan.i think he's a genius.and ron is actually MUCH more intelligent than he looks. ;) > Best Brock moments of the decade (IMO) go to "Mask of Morning", "Alien > (I Am)", and "Love in Space". I can't imagine the lyrics to "Love in > Space" took long, and he already _had_ the lyrics to "Mask of Morning". and brock's worst moment- the piece on 'stange trips and ~'(cant remember which one),that sounds almost note for note like that sickening whitney houston song. (the piano thingy).i was hoping he did it for a joke.but maybe he heard it in his sleep from the next room in one of his hotel stays. rj From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Tue Dec 3 18:28:26 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:28:26 -0600 Subject: HW: 1st Album In-Reply-To: <329DA445.5769@iinet.net.au> from "William Duffy" at Nov 28, 96 10:40:05 pm Message-ID: > Back in the 70's I heard the Pink Floyd track "Echoes", which was the > kind of music I had never really heard done by a rock band, however, > other tracks by Pink Floyd, good as they are, never stirred the same > emotions. I then searched for other bands, and came across Tangerine > Dream, who almost recreated that feeling. Then, one evening, I was > listening to the radio (YES. THE RADIO), and heard what the announcer > said was a rare piece of music by a band called Hawkwind. The track(s) > they played were "Countdown" and "Born to Go". I then rushed out the > next day and bought their current release, "Roadhawks". It was > brilliant, though the track I really wanted,"Countdown", was missing. I > then bought "Space Ritual", then "Warrior on...", and so on. > William _Echoes_ has always been one of my favorites. In my search for "That Sound" a station up in Mineapolis, Minnesota, KQRS if I remember correctly, played a cut by Steve Tibbitts off his first (self titled) album. I'd "highly" recomend it. ;-) My first HW was "Warrior..." that I found going through the bins at a Target store in '75. At this time in my life I would never by an album because I had heard it on the radio (with few exceptions like Steve Tibbitts). I'd buy because I liked the cover art, of the name of the group, or the names of the songs. In the case of WOTEOT all three reasons hit. Best choice I ever made. Listening to it was also the first time I ever had true to life realistic halucinations. ;-) -- "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." - Albert Einstein Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6982 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 3 18:58:11 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:58:11 GMT Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: On tis 3 dec 1996 19.20 skarsol wrote: > no,no,no. xenomorph (the lyrics anyway)belongs entirely to ron tree.he > gave me > a 20 minute breakdown of the lyrics last year.he is quite proud of the > song, > and i give him due credit.he was particularly happy with his use of the > word > 'allotrios',which,he said,was a latin word meaning something like > twin,or doppel- > ganger (i cant remember exactly,we were having a lot of fun).i have not > been able to > find this word or any form of it in a dictionary. Mysterious, but I can find some traces. Alius is a adjective and pronoun meaning "another" or "different". Alio is an adverbial form usually meaning "to another place", but can also mean "to another person". Best word I could find to fit the sense though is aliusmodi, meaning "of another kind". Any classicists out there? > davey wrote the music. > not to discredit alan.i think he's a genius.and ron is actually MUCH > more intelligent than he looks. ;) Well, I've always been in favour of Ron, after getting over the shock that HW had added another member without creating a designated synth player, and consider _Alien 4_ one of the HW highpoints of the decade so far. I've managed to not be appalled by some of his vocals which have distressed others :) I also give good marks for his lyrics! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Dec 3 19:06:11 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:06:11 -0800 Subject: OFF: Onstage Electrocutions Message-ID: > >Keith Relf definitely electrocuted himself playing electric guitar in the >bath in either 76 or 77. > May 14, to be exact. I wonder if he used a Marshall? Wylie From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Tue Dec 3 20:09:00 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 11:09:00 +1000 Subject: BOC: first album Message-ID: My first BOC was *Agents...* in 1976. I was in my first year of high school and _Reaper_ was getting a fair bit of airplay at the time, and I liked it. Then a friend of mine's big sister bought the album. I taped it and played it to a couple of other friends and we all got hooked. Over the following years we collected everything BOC we could find, and we still get together regularly and discuss things BOCish. Pete. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Gonna buy a fast car, put on my lead boots and take a long, long drive. I may end up spending all my money, but I'll still be alive." - The Who From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Tue Dec 3 20:49:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 20:49:00 -0500 Subject: OFF:motorhead Message-ID: Motorhead- Palladium, Worcester, MA 12/2/96 Tania Ruiz and I drove 50 miles last night to see Motorhead and it was well worth it, despite the permanent ear damage!! Lemmy and the boys were fucking awesome.. Could lemmy be getting better with age? He even joked about the shave, but was disappointed at the lack of tits at the show.. Set was (in order): Iron Fist Stay Clean Over your Shoulder Civil War I'm So Bad Metropolis No Class! Orgasmatron Overnight Senstation Sacrifice Going to Brazil Killed by Death Bomber Encores: Ace of Spades Overkill Great show. We did not stay to see Ronnie James Dio as it would have been so late with the hour drive back to boston. Killer show.. but one of the loudest I have been to in a long time... SCott ObCs- Wooden Baby- Embalment From Mondello1 at AOL.COM Tue Dec 3 21:15:13 1996 From: Mondello1 at AOL.COM (Steven Defoe) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 21:15:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: Rockers deaths Message-ID: In a message dated 96-12-03 05:03:36 EST, you write: << > >Didn't the same thing happen to Gary Thain of Uriah Heep > > Yup. Twice. He died some time later. Had damn bad hair, too. >> I'm sure I read somewhere (years ago) that Gary Thain committed suicide. Also, Les Harvey (Stone the Crows) being Sensational Alex's brother was news to me (a major Alex Harvey fan) - this list does make for interesting reading sometimes.... Steve Defoe From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Dec 3 22:30:28 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 22:30:28 -0500 Subject: Rockers deaths Message-ID: No, Gary Thain did not commit suicide. It was David Byron of UH that accidentally killed himself with a gun (at least I think it was an accident; doesn't someone have one of those books that list the histories of bands and the fate of their members?) Maybe it was Wettons' accident that I am attributing Thains demise to; there is this little brain cell telling me that Thain died from a disease or infection, but what, I don't know...) All I can say is that the Heep was not a band to be in if you wanted to live to be a ripe ol' age (BTW, I loved the Heep, up until about Wonderworld or High And Mighty. And Ken Hensley was (is, maybe, he is still active, but rather low-key (pun alert!)) a great songsmith and multi-instrumentalist... objCDPlayer: Ken Hensley / Proud Words On A Dusty Shelf Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Steven Defoe[SMTP:Mondello1 at AOL.COM] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 1996 9:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: OFF: Rockers deaths In a message dated 96-12-03 05:03:36 EST, you write: << > >Didn't the same thing happen to Gary Thain of Uriah Heep > > Yup. Twice. He died some time later. Had damn bad hair, too. >> I'm sure I read somewhere (years ago) that Gary Thain committed suicide. Also, Les Harvey (Stone the Crows) being Sensational Alex's brother was news to me (a major Alex Harvey fan) - this list does make for interesting reading sometimes.... Steve Defoe -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2362 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Dec 3 23:02:11 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:02:11 -0500 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: >On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Dave Berry wrote: > >> On 02 Dec 13:41, Troy Harris wrote: >> > Doesn't all this *really* mean that the lads in HW are just running out >> > of original ideas? >> >> I thought most bands played old tracks on live albums? >> > > Yeah, correcto-mundo. But NOT usually on STUDIO albums. Geez, we find more things in common between Hawkwind and BOC all the time... From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Dec 3 23:02:16 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:02:16 -0500 Subject: BOC, first album Message-ID: >I personally am quite soothed by this comment of Al's. As a long-time fan >of BOC, I have always found EB to 'a bit of a pain'. This is purely a >personal opinion, but I always felt that he was the least creative member >of the group. It is interesting that this feeling was right! I love BOC >and I wouldn't change anything about them, but I sometimes wish that EB >didn't sing so much, especially on the later material. Well, it seems now would be a good time to see them then, as Eric's been singing less trying to rest his voice for the studio.... From riordan at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU Wed Dec 4 00:39:44 1996 From: riordan at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Riordan) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:39:44 -0600 Subject: CD's Message-ID: Just got an ad from a listserver. http://www.mass-music.com They sell cds and cassettes via the web. They are missing a couple, but do have quite a few. Here's a list of on topic albums they have: BLUE OYSTER CULT AGENTS OF FORTUNE BLUE OYSTER CULT/TYRANNY & MUTATION BLUE OYSTER CULT CAREER OF EVIL-METAL YEARS CULT CLASSIC CULTOSAURUS ERECTUS EXTRATERRESTRIAL LIVE FIRE OF UNKNOWN ORIGIN MIRRORS ON FLAME WITH ROCK & ROLL ON YOUR FEET OR ON YOUR KNEES REVOLUTION BY NIGHT SECRET TREATIES SOME ENCHANTED EVENING SPECTRES TYRANNY & MUTATION WORKSHOP OF TELESCOPES HAWKWIND 25 YEARS ON ACID DAZE-VOL 1 ACID DAZE-VOL 2 ACID DAZE-VOL 3 ALIEN 4 ASTOUNDING SOUNDS AMAZING MUSI LIMITED EDITION , BOX SET BBC RADIO ONE LIVE IN CONCERT BEST OF & THE REST OF BRING ME THE HEAD OF YURI GAGA BUSINESS TRIP LIVE CHOOSE YOUR MASQUES CHRONICLE OF THE BLACK SWORD CHURCH OF HAWKWIND DOREMI FASOL LATIDO EARLY DAZE-BEST OF ELECTRIC TEEPEE FRIENDS & RELATIONS:BEST OF HA HAWKLORDS LIVE HAWKWIND INDEPEDENT DAYS VOL.1 & 2 IT'S THE BUSINESS OF FUTURE TO LEVITATION LIVE 1979 LIVE CHRONICLES LORD OF LIGHT MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE MIGHTY CLASSICS 1980-85 OUT & INTAKE PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS-BEST OF QUARK STRANGENESS & CHARM REMIX INCLUDES 150 PAGE BOOK SONIC ATTACK SPACE IS DEEP SPACE RITUAL VOLUME 2 SPACE RITUAL SPIRIT OF THE AGE STASIS: THE U.A. YEARS 71-75 TEXT OF FESTIVAL THIS IS HAWKWIND DO NOT PANIC UNDISCLOSED FILES-ADDENDUM VOL. 1-25 YEARS ON VOL. 2-SPACE RITUAL WARRIOR ON THE EDGE OF TIME ZONES BRAIN SURGEONS EPONYMOUS TREPANATION From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Wed Dec 4 03:50:53 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 08:50:53 +0000 Subject: BOC: Bloom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I agree that EB has his good points! And it's nice that so many BOC fans are ready to jump to his defence, but the mention of the Live 1976 video/cd does remind me of something that always makes me laugh. EB's long spiel (during D&S, I think - a favourite, it would seem, for a chat!) always convulses me with laughter when he starts talking about speed limits! I know it is a serious point, especially to anyone who has ever had a speeding ticket, but is it really a subject worthy of a rock 'rebel'? It's the sort of rebellious comment I would expect someone like Phil Collins to make! Perhaps he was trying to be funny? It's a minor point, but I wondered if anyone else found it funny. Martin On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > On tis 3 dec 1996 13.26 "Ross Reyes" wrote: > > i don't think you can knock his overall contribution to > > the band's success. he was good at what he did for BOC. > > Whatever his shortcomings as a musician/singer may be, I have to say I > got a real kick out of him as a front man on the Live 1976 video :) He was > just fine in concert when I saw BOC in the last few years too. Mind you, > he lost points for continually announcing vaporware albums and ignoring me > when I attempted to get an autograph, but you can't have everything. > > Cheers, > Carl > From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Wed Dec 4 03:55:39 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 08:55:39 +0000 Subject: OFF: Rockers deaths In-Reply-To: <961203211512_1353620487@emout13.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: I don't know if Thain committed suicide, but he certainly didn't die on stage. I have more trivia about Alex and Les Harvey (I was a mega fan some 20 years ago!). Alex was actually 12 years older than Les. Maggie Bell, lead singer with STC, actually auditioned for Alex, who was a big cheese in Glasgow in the early 70s, but he recommended she go and see his brother.... If anyone is interested, Repertoire records are re-releasing 2 STC albums as we speak (Teenage Licks and Ode to John Law). Hopefully the other 2 will follow later. Martin On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Steven Defoe wrote: > In a message dated 96-12-03 05:03:36 EST, you write: > > << > >Didn't the same thing happen to Gary Thain of Uriah Heep > > > > Yup. Twice. He died some time later. Had damn bad hair, too. > >> > > I'm sure I read somewhere (years ago) that Gary Thain committed suicide. > > Also, Les Harvey (Stone the Crows) being Sensational Alex's brother was news > to me (a major Alex Harvey fan) - this list does make for interesting reading > sometimes.... > > Steve Defoe > From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Wed Dec 4 03:58:48 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 08:58:48 +0000 Subject: Rockers deaths In-Reply-To: <01BBE169.BEA01B00@dynamic-13.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: Did David Byron really kill himself by accident with a gun? That strikes me as quite amazing because exactly the same thing happened to Terry Kath, guitarist with Chicago. He didn't think it was loaded, pointed it at his head and pulled the trigger to amuse his friends.... Thain, I think, was in trouble with drugs and although I can't remember clearly, I am sure his death was drugs related. I remember reading an article in Melody Maker in 1976 about people in the rock world who had died through abuse of drugs - and he was up there with Joplin, Hendrix et al. Martin On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Craig Shipley wrote: > No, Gary Thain did not commit suicide. It was David Byron of UH that accidentally killed himself with a > gun (at least I think it was an accident; doesn't someone have one of those books that list the histories of > bands and the fate of their members?) Maybe it was Wettons' accident that I am attributing Thains demise to; > there is this little brain cell telling me that Thain died from a disease or infection, but what, I don't know...) > All I can say is that the Heep was not a band to be in if you wanted to live to be a ripe ol' age (BTW, I loved the > Heep, up until about Wonderworld or High And Mighty. And Ken Hensley was (is, maybe, he is still active, but > rather low-key (pun alert!)) a great songsmith and multi-instrumentalist... > > objCDPlayer: Ken Hensley / Proud Words On A Dusty Shelf > > Craig Shipley > craigs at pyramid.com > ---------- > From: Steven Defoe[SMTP:Mondello1 at AOL.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 1996 9:15 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > Subject: OFF: Rockers deaths > > In a message dated 96-12-03 05:03:36 EST, you write: > > << > >Didn't the same thing happen to Gary Thain of Uriah Heep > > > > Yup. Twice. He died some time later. Had damn bad hair, too. > >> > > I'm sure I read somewhere (years ago) that Gary Thain committed suicide. > > Also, Les Harvey (Stone the Crows) being Sensational Alex's brother was news > to me (a major Alex Harvey fan) - this list does make for interesting reading > sometimes.... > > Steve Defoe > > > From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Wed Dec 4 04:07:02 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:07:02 +0100 Subject: Rockers deaths Message-ID: But nobody beats the drummer from Toto who actually died in a *bizarre gardening accident* a few years back...! I think he O.D. on pesticide or something... Christian From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Dec 4 05:35:00 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:35:00 +0000 Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's mail of Tue, 3 Dec 96 22:41 +0000 Message-ID: On 03 Dec 22:41, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > But where now are the likes of "7 by 7", "Down Through the Night", > "Lord of Light", "Space is Deep", "Time We Left", "Psychedelic Warlords", > "You Better Believe It", "Paradox", "Assault & Battery", "Golden Void", > etc.? > > Well, there's Alan Davey writing "LSD", "Sputnik Stan", "Xenomorph" The lyrics to LSD aren't much to write home about (good music though). I'm not keen on the lyrics on "Captured Rotation", either. > Best Brock moments of the decade (IMO) go to "Mask of Morning", "Alien > (I Am)", and "Love in Space". I can't imagine the lyrics to "Love in > Space" took long, and he already _had_ the lyrics to "Mask of Morning". I like the lyrics of "Secret Agent"; they're genuinely funny. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Dec 4 05:34:10 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:34:10 +0000 Subject: Rockers deaths In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 04 Dec 1996 10:07:02 +0100." <199612040907.KAA02210@kirov.eunet.no> Message-ID: > But nobody beats the drummer from Toto who actually died in a *bizarre gardening > accident* a few years back...! I think he O.D. on pesticide or something... Jeff Poccaro was killed by a beesting wasn't he ? But yeah, it was in his garden. As for the others - if you 'play about with guns' like Terry Kath then you are a complete dickhead. Tim From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Dec 4 05:44:00 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:44:00 +0000 Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! In-Reply-To: skarsol's mail of Tue, 3 Dec 96 12:32 +0000 Message-ID: On 03 Dec 12:32, skarsol wrote: > > They seem to have plenty of muscial ideas left. Lyrically they've > > been a bit weak; Calvert was definitely the best lyricist the band > > ever had. > > I think dave was a decent writer,when he wrote. When you look at HW's early output, I think you're right. > I think maybe (this is a guess), he is still capable of writing the same > sort of stuff,but because of his 'growing up' (heh), the same stuff he > used to write might sound too silly to himself, for him to want to share > it with the world. I can sympathize with that (if true). A (long) while ago Mike suggested writing some lyrics for HW. I had a go; I wanted a song that used VR to combine fantasy, SF, and eco-protest in the real world. I got a little way, then realised I had produced complete doggerel, and threw it in the bin! Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Dec 4 05:25:30 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:25:30 UT Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: > But where now are the likes of "7 by 7", [etc] I thought "Alien (I Am)" was in that vein? - Andy From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Wed Dec 4 06:03:52 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 11:03:52 +0000 Subject: Rockers deaths In-Reply-To: <199612041034.KAA16353@aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: Although, in Terry's case, deadhead would seem more suitable.... Martin On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, bart wrote: > > But nobody beats the drummer from Toto who actually died in a *bizarre gardening > > accident* a few years back...! I think he O.D. on pesticide or something... > > Jeff Poccaro was killed by a beesting wasn't he ? But yeah, it was in his > garden. > > As for the others - if you 'play about with guns' like Terry Kath then you > are a complete dickhead. > > > Tim > From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Dec 4 06:13:58 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 12:13:58 +0100 Subject: Rockers deaths Message-ID: At 08:58 1996-12-04 +0000, you wrote: >Did David Byron really kill himself by accident with a gun? That strikes >me as quite amazing because exactly the same thing happened to Terry Kath, >guitarist with Chicago. He didn't think it was loaded, pointed it at his >head and pulled the trigger to amuse his friends.... and they was amused..? >Thain, I think, was in trouble with drugs and although I can't remember >clearly, I am sure his death was drugs related. I remember reading an >article in Melody Maker in 1976 about people in the rock world who had >died through abuse of drugs - and he was up there with Joplin, Hendrix et >al. As far as I know Thain was on drugs when he drowned - and his use of it was also the reason why he left/was sacked from Heep half a year (?) earlier. I've never heard of a gun when talking about the death of Byron. He was in a heavy booze sequence, and he was told by a doctor that he should be dead within six months if he didn't quit *now*. Then he put in another gear - found the booze overdrive - and finished it on two months. That's the story which reached Sweden. Another rocker's death is the Felix Pappalardi Incident. The bass player of Mountain was shot to death 1983 by his wife Gail Collins (the Mountain cover artist) during a ordinary "house fuzz". \\joe From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Wed Dec 4 06:19:59 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 11:19:59 -0000 Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: Interesting point that. I have tried to write lyrics and a bit of fiction in the SF/HW type of vein and what starts out as a wonderful idea in the head somehow translates to a total load of old cobblers once it appears on paper. And yes, I think that Calverts lyrics stand up to any amount of scrutiny. Certainly the best. Mike P I can sympathize with that (if true). A (long) while ago Mike suggested writing some lyrics for HW. I had a go; I wanted a song that used VR to combine fantasy, SF, and eco-protest in the real world. I got a little way, then realised I had produced complete doggerel, and threw it in the bin! Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. 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I would guess that 3OC were then brought in and told that they had to promote the product. Certainly, when I saw that tour, they were pretty half-hearted about it - they sang 'In the presence of another world', and also performed that Mickey Mouse version of 'Astronomy' (with the 'Hey, Hey-Hey' backing vocals). The rest of the set was the standard road-tested material - no 'Del Rio's Song', no 'Magna of Illusion', not even 'The Subhuman', which could legitimately have resurfaced under its new name. So my feeling is that the record company was more to blame than 3OC. - Mike Godwin From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Wed Dec 4 06:14:46 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 11:14:46 +0000 Subject: BOC: Bloom In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19961203131846.193f3dca@buffnet.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Joseph M. Lofft wrote: > Lets hope this is the case. I'll be the first to admit that Bucks > voice is better than Eric's, but wihout Eric, it wouldn't bee the same. > Eric puts the "Blue" in Blue Oyster Cult.... That's right about Eric; but I can't agree about Buck's voice. Could anyone stand listening to 'Flat Out' all the way through? He's fine for numbers specially tailored to his vocal sound ('Burning for You' for instance), but there's no real light and shade - he just double tracks the vocals for the catchy bits. - Mike Godwin From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Wed Dec 4 06:22:45 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 12:22:45 +0100 Subject: Rockers deaths Message-ID: >Another rocker's death is the Felix Pappalardi Incident. The bass player of Mountain was shot to death 1983 by his wife Gail Collins (the Mountain cover artist) during a ordinary "house fuzz". > >\\joe Didn't one of the ex-13th Floor Elevators die *excactly* the same way sometime in the early 70's? Christian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 4 06:32:22 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 11:32:22 GMT Subject: HW: Measure of the Man Message-ID: On ons 4 dec 1996 10.35 "Dave Berry" wrote: > On 03 Dec 22:41, Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > But where now are the likes of "7 by 7", "Down Through the Night", > > "Lord of Light", "Space is Deep", "Time We Left", "Psychedelic > > Warlords", "You Better Believe It", "Paradox", "Assault & Battery", > > "Golden Void", etc.? > > > > Well, there's Alan Davey writing "LSD", "Sputnik Stan", "Xenomorph" > > The lyrics to LSD aren't much to write home about (good music though). > I'm not keen on the lyrics on "Captured Rotation", either. Haven't heard the _CR_ lyrics, I must admit. But while there aren't _many_ lyrics on "LSD" they are very "HW sounding" to me. A lot of the early lyrics aren't world class literature either, but they have this sort of "are we stoned or what?" style of mysticism which goes perfectly with Hawkwind music. I thought "LSD" wasn't far off. Considering that it's about 4 chords and a couple of repeated verses, it's a pretty cool sounding track IMO :) > > Best Brock moments of the decade (IMO) go to "Mask of Morning", "Alien > > (I Am)", and "Love in Space". I can't imagine the lyrics to "Love in > > Space" took long, and he already _had_ the lyrics to "Mask of Morning". > > I like the lyrics of "Secret Agent"; they're genuinely funny. Yes, I agree (though as Jazza pointed out to me, they'd probably be even funnier sung by Calvert :) Heck, I liked "Right to Decide" and "Sadness Runs Deep" as well. "Festivals" is a nice track but somehow sounds somewhat foolish to me. I'm willing to give Brock credit for actually composing a some decent ambient/electronic pieces as well ("Vega" springs to mind, and I actually like "White Zone" from _Strange Trips & Pipe Dreams_) but a) they _don't_ count as anything more than linking bits in my book and b) he's up against equally fine Davey compositions like "Blue Shift" and "Elfin". IMO, the most excellent Brock moments hands down since the Lemmy-era are on the live versions of "Out of the Shadows" (*not* the studio version). The versions from _California Brainstorm_ and the _Live Legends_ video are tremendous. *Lots* of up-front Brock guitar riffing and wah-abuse. O Brock, that art a Hawklord, (David be thy name). Thy lyrics come, thy music be done today, as it was in the days of the underground. Give us this day our daily blanga and forgive us our continuous pleading even as we try to forgive your hiding behind the synths. Lead us not into electronic dossing about, but deliver us to space rock, for thine is the riffing, the power, and the glory, forever. Amen, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." Dept. of ASNAC, University of Cambridge -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Dec 4 06:33:00 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 11:33:00 +0000 Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! In-Reply-To: Mike Parkington's mail of Wed, 4 Dec 96 11:19 +0000 Message-ID: On 04 Dec 11:19, Mike Parkington wrote: > Interesting point that. I have tried to write lyrics and a bit of fiction > in the SF/HW type of vein and what starts out as a wonderful idea in the > head somehow translates to a total load of old cobblers once it appears on > paper. There's a oft-quoted put-down, which of course I have forgotten the origin, in which a young novelist approached a grand master of the form: -- I've got a brilliant idea for a novel! -- That's a pity; novels are made from words, not ideas. Dave. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 4 06:49:10 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 11:49:10 GMT Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: > --On ons 4 dec 1996 10.25 "Andrew Gilham" wrote: > > But where now are the likes of "7 by 7", [etc] > > I thought "Alien (I Am)" was in that vein? Yes, but there should be *MORE* of it! Consider _Doremi_. Every song is classic Hawkwind and they even could have done more electronic noodling than the fifty seconds of "One Change" without damaging credibility. Consider _HotMG_. Five out of nine tracks are classic Brock (and the others are also keen, even the proto-ambient pieces). Ubi sunt? Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 4 06:50:55 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 11:50:55 GMT Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: On ons 4 dec 1996 10.44 "Dave Berry" wrote: > A (long) while ago Mike suggested > writing some lyrics for HW. I had a go; I wanted a song that used VR to > combine fantasy, SF, and eco-protest in the real world. I got a little > way, then realised I had produced complete doggerel, and threw it in the > bin! Yeah, but set to a classic Brock three-chord riff it might have been amazing! :) Cheers, Carl From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Dec 4 07:04:17 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 12:04:17 UT Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: RJ says: >he was particularly happy with his use of the >word >'allotrios',which,he said,was a latin word meaning something like >twin,or doppel- >ganger (i cant remember exactly,we were having a lot of fun).i have not >been able to >find this word or any form of it in a dictionary.. >From Chambers dictionary: These (and others) are English words: >allot'ropy noun the property (especially in chemical elements such as >carbon) of existing in more than one form. allotrop'ic adjective. > > allotrop'ic adjective. But they're all from the Greek root: >?Greek "allotrios", alien Personally, I don't think Ron's lyrics are a patch on Bob's - in fact they seem a bit school-magazine standard (which Lemmy used to edit :) - but chacun a son gout, I guess. - Andy From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Wed Dec 4 07:36:24 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 13:36:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Making up lyrics Message-ID: >On ons 4 dec 1996 10.44 "Dave Berry" wrote: >> A (long) while ago Mike suggested >> writing some lyrics for HW. I had a go; I wanted a song that used VR to >> combine fantasy, SF, and eco-protest in the real world. I got a little >> way, then realised I had produced complete doggerel, and threw it in the >> bin! > > Yeah, but set to a classic Brock three-chord riff it might have been >amazing! :) > >Cheers, >Carl Hey, all this talk of people coming up with their own brilliant HW lyrics would be an interesting thread - we'll get to show off our poetic sides... You never know, with Dave running out of ideas/lyrics, he _might_ just use some... Here's my shot at poetic glory (sing to the tune of 'LSD'): We are celestials we are the stars we are the tickets that are to ride inside the brain to the center of the eye Out of the paper and into our minds songs are a' changin' all day and night we must be ready for cosmic flight The cosmos it beckons collapsing on itself ever expanding beyond ourselves chanting our mantras You know that's right we light our incence turn on our black lights look at the posters maybe next friday oh well, we might From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 4 06:39:49 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 07:39:49 EDT Subject: off: people who died Message-ID: >>From Johan; > At 08:58 1996-12-04 +0000, you wrote: > >Did David Byron really kill himself by accident with a gun? That strikes > >me as quite amazing because exactly the same thing happened to Terry Kath, > >guitarist with Chicago. He didn't think it was loaded, pointed it at his > >head and pulled the trigger to amuse his friends.... > > and they was amused..? > Don't know about them, but it made my day... > >Thain, I think, was in trouble with drugs and although I can't remember > >clearly, I am sure his death was drugs related. I remember reading an > >article in Melody Maker in 1976 about people in the rock world who had > >died through abuse of drugs - and he was up there with Joplin, Hendrix et > >al. > Ah yes, Thain, Hendrix, Morisson...All right, kids, what's wrong with this picture? > As far as I know Thain was on drugs when he drowned - and his use of it was also the reason why he left/was sacked from Heep half a year (?) earlier. > > I've never heard of a gun when talking about the death of Byron. He was in a heavy booze sequence, and he was told by a doctor that he should be dead within six months if he didn't quit *now*. Then > e put in another gear - found the booze overdrive - and > Is this the Uriah Heep frontman we're discussing? When did he check out? And is there some curse on UH? And if so, when can we expect Mick Box to cash in? > Another rocker's death is the Felix Pappalardi Incident. The bass player of Mountain was shot to death 1983 by his wife Gail Collins (the Mountain cover artist) during a ordinary "house fuzz". > Well finally we come to a real tragedy. I know this was a sensational case. Anyone have details? theo > From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Dec 4 10:14:24 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 01:14:24 +1000 Subject: BOC: Bloom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Guys! In all fairness to EB, he is the guy who does the most work at the moment for BOC, IMHO. Not necessarily in the studio, or composition, but in promo and the like. I have written to all the dudes in the band (Original lineup), except JB, who would have been next,and EB and AB are the only two who have ever replied. (Thanks Al). Eric is always prompt in his replies as well, and seems to have an interest in the fans at least to some degree these days. EB is also the interview dude, has good presence and manner during an interview as well. (Not at all like Allen L.) :). He is good for the band. He is cool on stage as well. Though, as an Aussie, I have never been blessed with the real buzz, on the vids he is ace. (BTW, the bit on D&S from live '76 is plain old silly these days, but it is good for a quaint look at nostalgia). I wonder how many pairs of sunglasses he has gone through, and if he and Ian Hunter are in some kind of "shades for rockers"mailing list on the net. :) Did He really sing the high bit at the end of "After Dark" though? Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Dec 4 10:21:30 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 01:21:30 +1000 Subject: BOC: Imaginos Guitarists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OK guys, I have a friend who bought Imaginos because he heard that Joe Satriani was on it. He, natch, is somewhat dissapointed, and thinks the album is real mediocre anyway. So, on what parts does the meastro play on? And all the other dudes mentioned for that matter? Does anyone know? Al? AND, while we are on the topic, has "Siege etc." ever been played live by either BOC or BS? Troy From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Dec 4 10:12:41 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 07:12:41 PST Subject: off: people who died In-Reply-To: ; from "Ted Jackson jr. EL84" at Dec 4, 96 7:39 am Message-ID: > > >From Johan; > > > At 08:58 1996-12-04 +0000, you wrote: > > >clearly, I am sure his death was drugs related. I remember reading an > > >article in Melody Maker in 1976 about people in the rock world who had > > >died through abuse of drugs - and he was up there with Joplin, Hendrix et > > >al. > > > Ah yes, Thain, Hendrix, Morisson...All right, kids, what's wrong with > this picture? > Uhhh, if you are a drug-addled fool, don't play rock music??? I am also disgusted by the lack of intelligence of some of the artists who prematurly did themselves in. Playing an ELECTRIC guitar in a bathtub? What a f***ing first-class IDIOT!! (I lost a high-school buddy who was watching TV while taking a bath. The TV fell in the tub and ... ;-( ). Putting a gun to ones' head (or any other part of their anatomy) for fun or to impress someone is the apex of stupidity. Man, it is bad enough that LIFE is out to get you, why would anyone want to do anything dumb enough to hasten that process? > Is this the Uriah Heep frontman we're discussing? When did he check > out? And is there some curse on UH? And if so, when can we expect > Mick Box to cash in? > Yup, the UH frontman (although he had left UH long before his death. He was fronting a band called something like Black Diamond or maybe he was just performing solo. I recollect an LP that had him on the front cover, which I think was a solo LP; I had stopped buying UH and UH-related material by that time, so this one was never heard by me). This incident took place sometime in the late '70's/early '80's. Curse on UH? I know they had the devils' own time in keeping a bassist until Thain came along and that they are now pretty much a mediocre metal band, but no more cursed than anyone else...I think that Box and the drummer are the only two original memebers left. Box has probably seen enough bad shit happen to his old mates to keep him on the straight and narrow. > > > Another rocker's death is the Felix Pappalardi Incident. The bass player of Mountain was shot to death 1983 by his wife Gail Collins (the Mountain cover artist) during a ordinary "house fuzz". > > Was it '83? I though it was a lot more recent than that, like the early '90's. Sorry, no other details... > > Well finally we come to a real tragedy. I know this was a > sensational case. Anyone have details? > theo > > > > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 4 10:15:57 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:15:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: Vocals (EB, BD, AB), Imaginos, et al Message-ID: Well, some of this has been discussed before, especially regarding *Imaginos* and Al and BOC's involvement (or lack thereof) with it. I strongly urge anyone with either questions or opinions on this subject to familiarize themselves with what's in the FAQ on this subject -- it certainly isn't the definitive story (and due to the fact that we are dealing with very personal issues between various people, issues which may be none of our business, it wouldn't be proper for what is essentially a fans publication to print them -- not that I can say I know alot more than what I've printed in the FAQ), but I do think that there is alot of good background information that will give people at least an appreciation for the complexities of this issue. I also think that it is somewhat improper for us fans, who don't (and shouldn't) know all of the details, to "take sides" on this issue. Like many great debates and disputes, there are often no winners. In the case of *Imaginos*, everybody lost - Al had his music taken from him, BOC lost the opportunity to perhaps reconcile differences with him (and possibly at the time even get him back in the band), and we fans got, aside from alot of confusion over the album (which somewhat continues to this day when compilations like WOTT praise *Imaginos* in the liner notes and then don't include any of it's tracks), we got a sort of partial version of what the whole Imaginos project/concept was. Then again, there's no sense dwelling on this stuff from the past. Al has certainly moved on (although we can all appreciate his musical acknowledgement of Imaginos with Overture) and has continued to put out quality music outside of BOC. I think BOC would like to forget that *Imaginos* even exists, and is working toward new music while continuing to play the music that attracted many in the 70's and early 80's. BTW, some have speculated which individuals in the current lineup have been the major factors in Al leaving the band or in what happened with Imaginos. I think that this thinking is somewhat dangerous - Al has made his feelings known to the extent which he sees fit (I think I have a detailed post he made about a year ago to BOC-L -- if it is his wish, I will repost it), and we may be doing him a dis-service to speculate otherwise. What I mean is, if Al has said that he and Bloom didn't get along, it is unfair for us to say for example that Bloom is the reason that Al is no longer in BOC. Things are much more complex than that. Also, Al has said himself (both here and in e-mails to me when I asked him for input for the FAQ) that by reading his comments, you are seeing only one side of the story. Conversely, folks on, say for example, AOL (no, I'm not bringing THAT up again) don't have the advantage of seeing Al's input as we do, so they may come to different conclusions. I think we need to be careful that in hearing only one side, and only as much as that individual cares to share with us, we don't basically re-write history. This should all be about music, and our enjoyment of it - just like we should appreciate athletes for their athletic ability, and not expect that they don't have issues in their personal lives which we may find distateful; in the same light we need to appreciate all the past and present members of BOC/tBS/Hawkwind/etc. for the great music that they have provided (and in many cases continue to provide) us. Regarding Bloom and what his contributions to BOC are: I think it is clear that Bloom had less to do with BOC's sound that the rest of the band through the years, at least instrumentally. You can look no further than the writing credits to see that Eric had less than anyone other than Allen, and while Allen may not be credited for writing as much, his instrumental contributions (Allen that is) speak for themselves. However, Eric provided a strong vocal element (more on that below), and as some have pointed out, was a great frontman for the band (perhaps I shouldn't say "was", but I'm looking back at the glory years of BOC, and things are a bit different in the band today). Eric, IMHO, provided the right mix of "cool" and power, without drawing so much focus to himself that you realized BOC was a BAND, and not "the Eric Bloom show". Contrast that with something like Black Sabbath, where while they were a band, it sometimes came across as "Ozzy Osbourne and Black Sabbath". I don't think Bloom brought that to BOC (which I feel was a plus). And, as Albert has pointed out, Bloom deserves some credit for some elements of BOC's stage show, most notably the "5 Guitars" was Bloom's idea -- and how many BOC fans from the 70's can think of BOC without thinking of that? Each person in BOC had strengths, and one of the things that made BOC great back then was that everyone's strengths appeared to be well utilized. Regarding vocals -- I've felt that Al, Eric, and Buck each provided rather different vocal tones to the band. Yes, I know Joe, and even Allen (on one song, "True Confessions") sang lead, but not as often. Also, I think in some ways, Allen and Joe's vocals to me sounded like sort of a cross between Albert and Eric's vocals (or rather perhaps Al and Eric were at two extremes in tone, and Joe and Allen were somewhere in-between them). And while this is somewhat generalistic, I'd describe their vocals as such: Eric: Power and rawness. Eric's vocals have an edge to them - he doesn't sound pretty (and usually doesn't come across well when he tries to be), but he's got a good thick sound that works well for most of BOC's heavier stuff. Buck: Beauty, coolness, and tranquility. Buck's vocals are smooth, sometimes seemingly lacking emotion. But they have a sweetness to them, that works well with most of the lighter stuff. Also, like Eric's, Buck's vocals seem to match his onstage personality. Albert: "Quirky" is the word that always comes to mind when I think of Albert's vocals, but I don't mean that in a bad way. Albert's voice usually seems to have a slight edge to them, with a sort of undercurrent of humor - I often think that Albert is about to chuckle while singing. He can be both forceful (Cities on Flame) and smooth (Death Valley Nights), but usually he's got this sort of sinister humorous tone to his stuff. Maybe that's somewhat a reflection of his onstage personality as well. Rounding that all up, I think the mix of styles benefitted BOC well in it's heyday. The variety was nice, and may be yet another thing working against BOC these days. Likewise, I think having both Al and Deb handle lead vocals in tBS provides a nice blend, and gives everything more of a BAND effort. And as they say, variety is the spice of life. O.K., I've rambled on way too long as usual. John From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Dec 4 10:15:57 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 07:15:57 PST Subject: BOC: Imaginos Guitarists In-Reply-To: ; from "Troy Harris" at Dec 5, 96 1:21 am Message-ID: > > OK guys, > > I have a friend who bought Imaginos because he heard that Joe Satriani > was on it. He, natch, is somewhat dissapointed, and thinks the album is > real mediocre anyway. So, on what parts does the meastro play on? And > all the other dudes mentioned for that matter? Does anyone know? Al? > I think Al posted way back when that he was part of the "Guitar Army Of Imaginos" which I think was featured on "Siege...". Aldo Nova and the rest were also part of that "army". > AND, while we are on the topic, has "Siege etc." ever been played live > by either BOC or BS? > > Troy > Don't think so, but it would be cool if they could pull it off (that massive sound would take a lot of hands on stage...) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 4 10:18:40 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:18:40 -0500 Subject: BOC: Imaginos Guitarists Message-ID: Hey, despite the album's shortcomings, I don't see how anyone could think that *Imaginos* is mediocre (and all of you out there that do, don't flame me too bad for saying so, o.k.?). As for Mr. Satriani's contributions to *Imaginos*, I believe he plays the guitar solo on "Blue Oyster Cult" John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 4 10:20:39 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:20:39 -0500 Subject: BOC: Bloom Message-ID: Martin sez: >I agree that EB has his good points! And it's nice that so many BOC fans are ready to jump to his defence, but the mention of the Live 1976 video/cd does remind me of something that always makes me laugh. EB's long spiel (during D&S, I think - a favourite, it would seem, for a chat!) always convulses me with laughter when he starts talking about speed limits! I know it is a serious point, especially to anyone who has ever had a speeding ticket, but is it really a subject worthy of a rock 'rebel'? Well, you probably gotta consider the times. I was only in Jr. High at the time, so I can't speak with alot of athority here. John From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Dec 4 10:30:35 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:30:35 -0500 Subject: HW: Measure of the Man In-Reply-To: from "Carl Edlund Anderson" at Dec 4, 96 11:32:22 am Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > O Brock, that art a Hawklord, (David be thy name). Thy lyrics come, > thy music be done today, as it was in the days of the underground. Give us > this day our daily blanga and forgive us our continuous pleading even as we > try to forgive your hiding behind the synths. Lead us not into electronic > dossing about, but deliver us to space rock, for thine is the riffing, the > power, and the glory, forever. > > Amen, > Carl You know Carl, I don't think I ever properly thanked Ben Cash for getting you on this list. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Dec 4 10:48:34 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:48:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: Imaginos Guitarists In-Reply-To: <199612041518.KAA13358@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Dec 4, 96 10:18:40 am Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > > Hey, despite the album's shortcomings, I don't see how anyone could think > that *Imaginos* is mediocre (and all of you out there that do, don't flame > me too bad for saying so, o.k.?). John, man. Stop apologizing for having opinions, or I'm gonna get mad and *really* flame you. ;-) As for somebody thinking that _Imaginos_ is mediocre... try finding *any* album by any band that *somebody* doesn't think is mediocre. Anyway, that's what they get for buying an album just because they heard that their favorite mega-guitarist happens to appear on it. What do you think Eddie Van Halen fans thought of _Thriller_? (And anyone who thinks I'm comparing Imaginos to Thriller can blow me). ;-) > As for Mr. Satriani's contributions to *Imaginos*, I believe he plays the > guitar solo on "Blue Oyster Cult" Mike Fuller heard a radio interview with Satch where he said that he couldn't pick out the parts that he played. Sandy really mixed and matched all those guitar parts; it's almost impossible to pick out the work of any individual guitar player. Frankly I'm really surprised that the sound works as well as it does, considering what a hash of different guitar bits it is. Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Wed Dec 4 11:42:39 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 11:42:39 -0500 Subject: BOC: Vocals (EB, BD, AB), Imaginos, et al In-Reply-To: <199612041515.KAA12759@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Dec 4, 96 10:15:57 am Message-ID: Al, cover your eyes. We're talking about you again. John A Swartz writes: > > I also think that it is somewhat improper for us fans, who don't (and > shouldn't) know all of the details, to "take sides" on this issue. Like > many great debates and disputes, there are often no winners. In the case > of *Imaginos*, everybody lost - Al had his music taken from him, BOC lost > the opportunity to perhaps reconcile differences with him (and possibly > at the time even get him back in the band), and we fans got, aside from > alot of confusion over the album (which somewhat continues to this day > when compilations like WOTT praise *Imaginos* in the liner notes and > then don't include any of it's tracks), we got a sort of partial version > of what the whole Imaginos project/concept was. I think that Sandy Pearlman (in the Goldmain article) had the last word on this issue: if he had been able to convince the band to do Imaginos at the height of their careers in the late 70's/early 80's, it would almost certainly have been the greatest album of their careers. Imagine the early BOC darkness and aggression with 10 more years of songwriting and playing experience... . The fact that they didn't -- because that was precisely when they were trying to get *away* from his influence -- is probably *the* great tragedy in the history of the band. By the way: anybody who hasn't read the Goldmine article... it's a wealth of information, presented in what I consider to be a remarkably unbiased manner. Maybe it doesn't contain the whole story, but probably nothing less than a Michener novel could do that. ;-) If you know anybody who will sell you a copy (or if Goldmain sells back-issues), you really should try to get hold of it. > BTW, some have speculated which individuals in the current lineup have > been the major factors in Al leaving the band or in what happened with > Imaginos. I think that this thinking is somewhat dangerous - Al has > made his feelings known to the extent which he sees fit (I think I have > a detailed post he made about a year ago to BOC-L -- if it is his wish, > I will repost it), and we may be doing him a dis-service to speculate > otherwise. What I mean is, if Al has said that he and Bloom didn't get > along, it is unfair for us to say for example that Bloom is the reason > that Al is no longer in BOC. Things are much more complex than that. Well, Al once told me in person (yes, because I was rude enough to ask) the story behind his leaving BOC. I won't repeat it here, because if he wanted everybody in the world to know his thoughts on the subject, then he would undoubtedly post them. But since this is a topic of frequent speculation, I'll say the following to at least head off the worst excesses of people's imaginations... It's not something simple and stupid like "Eric threw him out", or "he walked out because he'd had enough of Eric". It was a whole chain of events, and frankly it was almost absurd in what a roundabout way it ended up leading to his "departure". It was nothing at all like a big climactic argument leading to his storming out, or Eric secretly turning all the other band member against him, or any of those scenarios that people typically conjecture. It was a bunch of almost unrelated events, combined with personality conflicts between both band members and management, a lack of communication between both band members and management, and all kinds of mostly trivial stuff like that, which finally cascaded to become an irreparable breach, in the same way that a bunch of pebbles start an avalanche. There's no single event that can be described as "the cause" of the Great Breakup. Although I know that's not enough to satisy anybody, I hope it's at least enough to keep people's imaginations from running too far amok, as I've seen on occasion. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Wed Dec 4 11:59:21 1996 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (haiwhachahaiuh!) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 12:59:21 -0400 Subject: BOC: Imaginos Guitarists Message-ID: >Hey, despite the album's shortcomings, I don't see how anyone could think >that *Imaginos* is mediocre (and all of you out there that do, don't flame >me too bad for saying so, o.k.?). > >As for Mr. Satriani's contributions to *Imaginos*, I believe he plays the >guitar solo on "Blue Oyster Cult" Satriani was the "siege" soloist and Bob "the Doors guitar" Krieger was on "BOC"...Al posted who did what in "guitar orchestra" and other instruments a while back. I know this because i asked these questions way beack when he first became one of us on BOC-L. Jason "We understand and so do I" Scruton From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 4 11:59:30 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 11:59:30 -0500 Subject: BOC: Imaginos Guitarists Message-ID: Steve responds to my ramblings: > Hey, despite the album's shortcomings, I don't see how anyone could think > that *Imaginos* is mediocre (and all of you out there that do, don't flame > me too bad for saying so, o.k.?). John, man. Stop apologizing for having opinions, or I'm gonna get mad and *really* flame you. ;-) Yeah, I guess I get too defensive. I wrote the above right after my rather lengthy post which I suspect will spark some comments and thought, "well, who else am I about to piss off?" Thanks for givin' me a little slap on the face there, Steve. >Anyway, that's what they get for buying an album just because they heard that their favorite mega-guitarist happens to appear on it. What do you think Eddie Van Halen fans thought of _Thriller_? Good point. Still, I got a bit defensive there that someone could think that Imaginos is mediocre. But, to each his/her own. John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 4 12:40:21 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:40:21 GMT Subject: HW: Measure of the Man Message-ID: > --On ons 4 dec 1996 10.30 "Stephen Swann" wrote: > Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > O Brock, that art a Hawklord, (David be thy name). Thy lyrics come, > > thy music be done today, as it was in the days of the underground. Give > > us this day our daily blanga and forgive us our continuous pleading even > > as we try to forgive your hiding behind the synths. Lead us not into > > electronic dossing about, but deliver us to space rock, for thine is the > > riffing, the power, and the glory, forever. > > > > Amen, > > Carl > > You know Carl, I don't think I ever properly thanked Ben Cash for getting > you on this list. ;-) Thanks, Steve :) I dunno what came over me there ... the Spirt of the Age was upon me ;) or something ... but I was pleased by the end result :) Now we just need the prayer answered :) Cheers, Carl From ABrevard at SHL.COM Wed Dec 4 14:16:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R. (MSMail)) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 12:16:00 -0700 Subject: BOC: Bloom Message-ID: My visual image of BOC as Rock and Roll monsters in the 70's and 80's - Al's energetic and soulful drumming, Buck's understated brilliance on guitar, Allan's subtle but haunting keys, Joe's booming bass driving the beat....but most of all the coolest lead guy in the rock and roll world at center mike, singing, nararating, posing and genrerally coordinating the show...Eric Bloom. I guess all five guys can be credited with the sucess of Blue Oyster Cult. AB obCD: Shadow Gallery - Carved in Stone From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 4 13:23:44 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 18:23:44 GMT Subject: HW: there should be posters Message-ID: And I still think EMI should arrange to make posters of some of the images they use in the remastered packing material. The band photo from _Doremi_ or the standing band photo from _HotMG_ would be great. Cheers, Carl From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 4 13:22:36 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 18:22:36 GMT Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! In-Reply-To: Carl Edlund Anderson's message of Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:58:11 GMT Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson writes: > > 'allotrios',which,he said,was a latin word meaning something like > > twin,or doppel- > > ganger (i cant remember exactly,we were having a lot of fun).i have not > > been able to > > find this word or any form of it in a dictionary. > > Mysterious, but I can find some traces. Alius is a adjective and > pronoun meaning "another" or "different". Alio is an adverbial form > usually meaning "to another place", but can also mean "to another person". > Best word I could find to fit the sense though is aliusmodi, meaning "of > another kind". probably from Greek originally (the Greek word "allos" is other) and could be related to the word allotropy and other such derivations. I can't find a decent dictionary to check tho' jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From skarsol at EROLS.COM Wed Dec 4 10:07:21 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 15:07:21 +0000 Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: Dave Berry wrote: > The lyrics to LSD aren't much to write home about (good music though). i like them.while quite simple,i think they pretty well define the "master of the universe" feeling you can sometimes get while on a >good< trip.they do flow,and are really much in tune with 'the golden void',although at an opposite end.and this song will always be one of their greatest live numbers.lots of wigglin' going on in the audience,every time i've seen them play it. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Wed Dec 4 10:09:14 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 15:09:14 +0000 Subject: Rockers deaths Message-ID: bart wrote: > As for the others - if you 'play about with guns' like Terry Kath then you > are a complete dickhead. > > Tim agreed.its idiots like him that cost people their rights.as well as lives. rj From AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU Wed Dec 4 14:14:59 1996 From: AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU (AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 13:14:59 -0600 Subject: BOC: Vocals (EB, BD, AB), Imaginos, et al Message-ID: The goldmine interview is on the net so buying the magizine is not the only way to read it. Speaking of AL(anier)'s vocals, does anyone know why he only sang one song? I think his voice sounds great. Alton From skarsol at EROLS.COM Wed Dec 4 10:12:32 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 15:12:32 +0000 Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: Dave Berry wrote: > > I think maybe (this is a guess), he is still capable of writing the same > > sort of stuff,but because of his 'growing up' (heh), the same stuff he > > used to write might sound too silly to himself, for him to want to share > > it with the world. > > I can sympathize with that (if true). A (long) while ago Mike suggested > writing some lyrics for HW. I had a go; I wanted a song that used VR to > combine fantasy, SF, and eco-protest in the real world. I got a little way, > then realised I had produced complete doggerel, and threw it in the bin! did you ask anyone else's oppinion?i for one,would have been interested to read them. if you can remember any of them,maybe you should see if other people like them. often lyrics will sound very cheesy until you get the tune with them to set the mood and feel.also,an artists harshest critic is usually himself. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Wed Dec 4 10:14:13 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 15:14:13 +0000 Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > > > But where now are the likes of "7 by 7", [etc] > > I thought "Alien (I Am)" was in that vein? > > - Andy i dont know if i can compare the two,except that i think both are moving. after the us 95 tour,i could not get 'alien iam' out of my head for weeks. i love it. rj From tully at LINELNT1.LIGHT.GE.COM Wed Dec 4 14:24:43 1996 From: tully at LINELNT1.LIGHT.GE.COM (Tully, Thomas (MSX)) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:24:43 -0500 Subject: Bloom Message-ID: ADRIAN, I NOTICED YOU WERE LISTENING TO THE NEW SHADOW GALLERY CD. HOW IS IT AND WHERE DID YOU PURCHASE IT AT. I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR QUITE A WHILE FOR IT. I LIVE IN CLEVELAND OHIO PLEASE LET ME KNOW . THANKS, TOM TULLY >---------- >From: BREVARD Adrian R. (MSMail)[SMTP:ABrevard at SHL.COM] >Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 1996 2:16 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: BOC: Bloom > >My visual image of BOC as Rock and Roll monsters in the 70's and 80's - >Al's energetic and soulful drumming, Buck's understated brilliance on >guitar, Allan's subtle but haunting keys, Joe's booming bass driving the >beat....but most of all the coolest lead guy in the rock and roll world >at center mike, singing, nararating, posing and genrerally coordinating >the show...Eric Bloom. > >I guess all five guys can be credited with the sucess of Blue Oyster >Cult. > >AB > >obCD: Shadow Gallery - Carved in Stone > From skarsol at EROLS.COM Wed Dec 4 10:27:40 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 15:27:40 +0000 Subject: HW: Making up lyrics Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > Hey, all this talk of people coming up with their own brilliant HW lyrics would > be an interesting thread - we'll get to show off our poetic sides... You never > know, with Dave running out of ideas/lyrics, he _might_ just use some... this is true.i think if you send viable lyrics,they would be used,provided you give artistic liscense,and don't want too much in return.witness 'out of the shadows', which was written by a fan,and i believe there was another,but cant remember the name. and the guy who wrote 'out of the shadows' can find his name on the album as the writer. > Here's my shot at poetic glory (sing to the tune of 'LSD'): > > not too awful...heh. ;) but you see how much i'm writing,don't you? rj From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Dec 4 14:38:54 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 20:38:54 +0100 Subject: off: people who died Message-ID: >> Is this the Uriah Heep frontman we're discussing? When did he check >> out? And is there some curse on UH? And if so, when can we expect >> Mick Box to cash in? >> >Yup, the UH frontman (although he had left UH long before his death. He was >fronting a band called something like Black Diamond or maybe he was just >performing solo. Rough Diamond - 1977 - Not a milestone in Rock History. >I recollect an LP that had him on the front cover, which >I think was a solo LP; I had stopped buying UH and UH-related material by that >time, so this one was never heard by me). Baby Faced Killer - 1978 - Not a milestone in Rock History. or perhaps Byron Band/On the Rocks - 1981 - Not a milestone in Rock History. even the last Byron/Heep album - High and Mighty - was far from being a milestone in Rock History... >This incident took place sometime in >the late '70's/early '80's. Curse on UH? I know they had the devils' own time >in keeping a bassist until Thain came along and that they are now pretty much >a mediocre metal band, but no more cursed than anyone else...I think that Box >and the drummer are the only two original memebers left. it was actually the same with the drummers until Lee Kerslake showed up together with Thain on the Demons and Wizards album - Kerslake wasn't an original member, though he was present in the pre Heep "Gods" band. >Box has probably seen >enough bad shit happen to his old mates to keep him on the straight and narrow. yeah, but still there's nothing else than pure happiness in the Box character, when he playing guitar on stage... >> > Another rocker's death is the Felix Pappalardi Incident. The bass player of Mountain was shot to death 1983 by his wife Gail Collins (the Mountain cover artist) during a ordinary "house fuzz". >> > >Was it '83? I though it was a lot more recent than that, like the early '90's. I may be a year wrong or two, but not more. \\joe From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Dec 4 14:53:42 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:53:42 -0500 Subject: HW: Lyrics for LSD Message-ID: Since the lyrics for the track LSD are being discussed, I checked my HW lyrics file and I do not have them. In my index, there is Lost Johnny followed by Magnu with no LSD in between. I must have an out-of-date version, I think, so I go to the WWW.... no HW lyrics archive to be found. So, did I miss a site or have lyric files been withdrawn from the web because of some copyright reason? Whichever, could someone post/private email me the lyrics for LSD Thanks Martyn "If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space" From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 4 13:28:03 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:28:03 EDT Subject: BOC: Vocals (EB, BD, AB), Imaginos, et al Message-ID: >>From Alton: > The goldmine interview is on the net so buying the magizine is > not the only way to read it. > > Speaking of AL(anier)'s vocals, does anyone know why he only sang > one song? I think his voice sounds great. > > Alton How do you access said article? theo From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Dec 4 15:06:04 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 15:06:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: Shadow Gallery (wuz: Bloom) Message-ID: Tom, I'm not Adrian, nor do I play him on TV. I picked up my copy of Carved In Stone from Tower Records in Vienna VA. It is on the Magna Carta label and should be easy to obtain either thru Tower (if you have one locally, that is) or from one of the many on-line services like Ranjit or Wylie (AKA Bananamoon; try our resident CD-monger first). IMHO, these guys don't hold a candle to the best American prog-rock band in a long time and that be Mastermind! Try Mastermind IV: Until Eternity first and be blown away!! Craig Shipley craigs at pyyramid.com ---------- From: Tully, Thomas (MSX)[SMTP:tully at LINELNT1.LIGHT.GE.COM] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 1996 2:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: OFF: Shadow Gallery (wuz: Bloom) Tom ADRIAN, I NOTICED YOU WERE LISTENING TO THE NEW SHADOW GALLERY CD. HOW IS IT AND WHERE DID YOU PURCHASE IT AT. I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR QUITE A WHILE FOR IT. I LIVE IN CLEVELAND OHIO PLEASE LET ME KNOW . THANKS, TOM TULLY >---------- >From: BREVARD Adrian R. (MSMail)[SMTP:ABrevard at SHL.COM] >Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 1996 2:16 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: BOC: Bloom > >My visual image of BOC as Rock and Roll monsters in the 70's and 80's - >Al's energetic and soulful drumming, Buck's understated brilliance on >guitar, Allan's subtle but haunting keys, Joe's booming bass driving the >beat....but most of all the coolest lead guy in the rock and roll world >at center mike, singing, nararating, posing and genrerally coordinating >the show...Eric Bloom. > >I guess all five guys can be credited with the sucess of Blue Oyster >Cult. > >AB > >obCD: Shadow Gallery - Carved in Stone > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If there is actually a place on the net where the complete (from pre-history all the way to talk of the new album) article is residing, you might want to post an address or URL. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 4 15:25:33 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 15:25:33 -0500 Subject: BOC: Vocals (EB, BD, AB), Imaginos, et al Message-ID: >I think that Sandy Pearlman (in the Goldmain article) had the last word on this issue: if he had been able to convince the band to do Imaginos at the height of their careers in the late 70's/early 80's, it would almost certainly have been the greatest album of their careers. Imagine the early BOC darkness and aggression with 10 more years of songwriting and playing experience... . Yes, can you imagine how history might have changed had *Imaginos* been released as a double or triple album after *Some Enchanted Evening*, instead of *Mirrors*? But I repeat myself, and whine along with Steve... >It's not something simple and stupid like "Eric threw him out", or "he walked out because he'd had enough of Eric". It was a whole chain of events, and frankly it was almost absurd in what a roundabout way it ended up leading to his "departure". Yes. Most events which appear explosive on the service have numerous things which build up over time that are generally not as well-known. Despite our basic tendencies to simplify things so we can feel that we understand them, most things are much too complex for that. John ObBoxofHammersComment: I heard "Beavis" on "I'm on Fire", as someone else posted! I think there's a second voice on there that's different, but I'm not sure - so is that little Macintosh computer in the studio shots the source of these sounds? Did Al feel like mixing in a cryptic stuff? And what is Beavis saying? It don't sound like "Cappucino" ;-) From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Dec 4 15:44:54 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 15:44:54 -0500 Subject: BOC, first album Message-ID: On 2-DEC-1996 09:13:49.0 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >I can abbreviate mine even better than Troy's and I will, beacuse >I reemember posting like this a while back: teh only BOC song I ever >heard on teh radio is DFtR, and second time I heard it I nailed down >the band and remembered the name; then I got a comp. with an edit on, >missing the guitar break. So I went, raging to myuself, "Where's the >bit I thought was another song?" and betook myself to a local music >stall, where I saw `Some Enchanted Evening' which (a) had Death on the >cover like in `Good Omens', (b) had DFtR on it, and (c) had a song >called `Godzilla' on it which sounded kind of interesting. >Of course, then I could only play tape. Today, as soon as I get >some line-out leads, this changes and my budget goes totally out of the >window... >Ah hahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha! Jazza (quite cheerful for some >odd reason...) This talk of DFtR reminds me of something (sorry for not posting a seperate note on it): I was browsing the bargain bins yesterday and came across a CD (can't remember the label) called something like Classic Live Recordings. It had Lynard Skynard, some other bands I forgot and BOC DFtR (Live). I couldn't listen to it so I don't know if this is some different version, but I guess it's not likely. Still, thought you should know. It's about 6:05 long... >/___ Chuck____________________________________________________________________ `[1;36;46mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU Wed Dec 4 15:40:43 1996 From: AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU (AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:40:43 -0600 Subject: BOC: Vocals (EB, BD, AB), Imaginos, et al Message-ID: OK, I just read it, it isn't the full article, but it is 49 pages long and has some stuff in it that isn't in the Goldmine article (the part about BD falling off a ladder isn't in the magizine). The URL is www.krause.com/goldmine Look under Back Issues. Alton From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Wed Dec 4 15:50:55 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:50:55 -0600 Subject: Rockers deaths In-Reply-To: <199612041122.MAA08393@kirov.eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Dec 4, 96 12:22:45 pm Message-ID: > >Another rocker's death is the Felix Pappalardi Incident. The bass player of > Mountain was shot to death 1983 by his wife Gail Collins (the Mountain cover > artist) during a ordinary "house fuzz". > > > >\\joe > > Didn't one of the ex-13th Floor Elevators die *excactly* the same way sometime > in the early 70's? > > Christian You mean he was shot by HIS wife Gail Collins who was also a Mountain cover artist?!? Wow! What a coincident! ;-) -- "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." - Albert Einstein Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6982 From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Wed Dec 4 16:07:32 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN T. HALLIGAN) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 16:07:32 EST Subject: Listservs as a fan resource Message-ID: I'm researching a paper for my internet journalism class about music fandom online. Since I've been on BOC-L for the past 3 years, I decided to focus on fans of Blue Oyster Cult. If anyone out there, newbies included, would like to share their thoughts about how BOC-L has expanded their knowledge and or appreciation of BOC or the music business please write me privately. If Hawkwind fans would like to reply also, that would be fine. Please reply by Monday if at all possible. Thanks for your help. Sorry to take up bandwidth with this... Brian Halligan P.S. Al, if you'd like to write about how the internet has increased knowlege and interest in the Brain Surgeons, that would be helpful too. From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Dec 4 17:37:36 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:37:36 +1100 Subject: OzHawks WWW Page Message-ID: Hi Everyone, The WWW Page for "OzHawks" - The Australian HAwkwind Appreciation Society is now on-line at: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/OzHawks Paul/Sonique From stayer at PI.NET Wed Dec 4 21:10:01 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 18:10:01 PST Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: Martin said: >Thain, I think, was in trouble with drugs and although I can't remember >clearly, I am sure his death was drugs related. I remember reading an >article in Melody Maker in 1976 about people in the rock world who had >died through abuse of drugs - and he was up there with Joplin, Hendrix et >al. Joplin died of alcohol - a legal drug... Hendrix died of sleeping pills - a legal drug... Hm... There's a new type of discussion here in Holland about drugs - marihuana as medicine. To everyone's surprise, some sort of health council declared marihuana not applicable as medicine. Not only patients who use marihuana, but also doctors were really surprised. Now we only have to hope the Dutch government doesn't follow the advise, or else marihuana will not be covered by social insurance... Jerry From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 4 17:15:22 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 18:15:22 EDT Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: >>From Jerry: > Martin said: > > >Thain, I think, was in trouble with drugs and although I can't remember > >clearly, I am sure his death was drugs related. I remember reading an > >article in Melody Maker in 1976 about people in the rock world who had > >died through abuse of drugs - and he was up there with Joplin, Hendrix et > >al. > > Joplin died of alcohol - a legal drug... > Hendrix died of sleeping pills - a legal drug... > Hm... > You sure about that? I'm almost certain Joplin OD'd. It's Morisson who drank himself to death, but he supposedly died of a heart attack. Bonham was the one who drank himself to death... > There's a new type of discussion here in Holland about drugs - marihuana as > medicine. To everyone's surprise, some sort of health council declared > marihuana not applicable as medicine. Not only patients who use marihuana, > but also doctors were really surprised. Now we only have to hope the Dutch > government doesn't follow the advise, or else marihuana will not be covered > by social insurance... > > Jerry Hey, there was a referendum in Cal. this year on medicinal weed. Anyone know if it passed or not? And what do you lucky souls in the Netherlands care if it's medicine or not? Just go to the bar and score a lid! BTW, Jerry, not that you'd know personally, but maybe you could ask somebody...what's the price range for good weed in your neck of the world? theo From ABrevard at SHL.COM Wed Dec 4 19:11:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R. (MSMail)) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:11:00 -0700 Subject: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: Regarding Imaginos: Steve Swan I believed paraphrased it but here is what Pearlman actually said (not that you weren+t right SS, I just typed most of this before seeing your qoute. 8^) "Too bad actually," Pearlman added. "there+s a summary of the entire [BOC] career with Imaginos. If they made Imaginos in the late +70s, yeah, I think they probably would+ve gone very, very far [on the strength of it]. A record like Imaginos, given that AOR radio was still really big, [then], and concept records really ruled AOR radio, it was an incredible mistake not to do it---just to get out from under me." Granted this is Mr. Pearlman+s version/recollections on the subject, but maybe he had a point. A full length Imaginos done by the original lineup in say 1976-77 timeframe as a follow up to OYFOOYK, may have catapulted the band to the top of heavy metal market.I don+t want to initiate the dreaded -Why weren+t they bigger thread- but if you look at what and when BOC released (album wise) there is very little flow to the catalog. Is Imaginos a mediocre album, yes and no. Yes, given that what was released was an abridged hodge podge of various artist doing individual pieces, with very little incentive and if you can visualize what Imaginos may have been in its full form with the complete commitment of the original band. No, because the album is really quite good despite the way it was made and the lack of commitment by the artist, producers and CBS. I can see how someone not familiar with BOC may not care for it, for the most part the music goes way over their heads. Imaginos is just not commercially digestible. One final point John I enjoyed your description of the various vocal talents of the main three guys, and for the most part I agree. I would however add the word -soulful- in describing Al+s vox, especially on songs like Vera Gemini. Don+t know if this one has ever been in a tBS set, but I think it would be a natural. AB obCD: Altura - Mercy From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 4 17:58:20 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 18:58:20 EDT Subject: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: >>From AB: > Steve Swan I believed paraphrased it but here is what Pearlman actually > said (not that you weren+t right SS, I just typed most of this before > seeing your qoute. 8^) > > "Too bad actually," Pearlman added. "there+s a summary of the entire > [BOC] career with Imaginos. If they made Imaginos in the late +70s, > yeah, I think they probably would+ve gone very, very far [on the > strength of it]. A record like Imaginos, given that AOR radio was still > really big, [then], and concept records really ruled AOR radio, it was > an incredible mistake not to do it---just to get out from under me." > > Granted this is Mr. Pearlman+s version/recollections on the subject, but > maybe he had a point. A full length Imaginos done by the original > lineup in say 1976-77 timeframe as a follow up to OYFOOYK, may have > catapulted the band to the top of heavy metal market.I don+t want to > initiate the dreaded -Why weren+t they bigger thread- but if you look at > what and when BOC released (album wise) there is very little flow to the > catalog. > I agree totally that Imaginos would have been a blockbuster for BOC. Personally, though, I think the timing would have been best [blest with hindsight, mind you] if it had appeared after Agents or Spectres, simply 'cause BOC was still riding high on the success of Reaper and Godzilla. Given the popularity at the time [and the accompanying laser light show] I think the fans would have embraced such a project. And their stage presentation at that time wouild have been able to do the project justice, something that would not have happened earlier on... theo > From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Wed Dec 4 19:00:53 1996 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:00:53 -0700 Subject: BOC: Vocals (EB, BD, AB),Beavis, et al -Reply Message-ID: >It's not something simple and stupid like "Eric threw him out", or "he walked out because he'd had enough of Eric". It was a whole chain of events, and frankly it was almost absurd in what a roundabout way it ended up leading to his "departure". Yes. Most events which appear explosive on the service have numerous things which build up over time that are generally not as well-known. Despite our basic tendencies to simplify things so we can feel that we understand them, most things are much too complex for that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I distinctly remember Al saying that Eric was not the reason he left and that if there was anyone he was disgruntled with (at the time) it was Buck. I remember Al saying that Eric was more of a dispassionate mediator. I think Al used a Mr. Spock type analogy; that Al's decision to leave was "not logical" > And what is Beavis saying? It don't sound like "Cappucino" ;-) Well if it's Beavis that quote would be "Crappuccino" - one of my favorite episodes. Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From skarsol at EROLS.COM Wed Dec 4 15:23:41 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 20:23:41 +0000 Subject: HW: Lyrics for LSD Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > > Since the lyrics for the track LSD are being discussed, I > checked my HW lyrics file and I do not have them. In my index, there by mere existence we are elite without a body we are complete there is no master we are alone there is an answer where we have flown thats it. rj From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Wed Dec 4 20:52:11 1996 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (haiwhachahaiuh!) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 20:52:11 -0500 Subject: BOC:Imaginos:the great v. mediocre debates-(like Lincoln and Douglas... heehee) Message-ID: As we groove on down the line scribbling on our skulls, >> .. but maybe he had a point. A full length Imaginos done by the original >> lineup in say 1976-77 timeframe as a follow up to OYFOOYK, may have >> catapulted the band to the top of heavy metal market... >I agree totally that Imaginos would have been a blockbuster for BOC. >Personally, though, I think the timing would have been best [blest >with hindsight, mind you] if it had appeared after Agents or >Spectres, simply 'cause BOC was still riding high on the success of >Reaper and Godzilla. Don't forget too that (i think in the Cosmic Debris interview from the tBS page) AoF and onwards was the start of the band getting out of the "BOC's inferno" that the 1st 3 LPs created along with their band imagery on tour in those days and to focus on not heavy "in the bad sense" music production. Given the Pearlman-ness of the Imaginos project (since he is still trying to get it to fly multimedia-wise here and there), cooling their jets and being creative for themselves (which I remember the interview also saying that in that time frame of the live release) won out. Pardon me Al if I paraphrased you wrong :) Heard it through the modemline, Jason From skarsol at EROLS.COM Wed Dec 4 15:41:46 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 20:41:46 +0000 Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > > Hey, there was a referendum in Cal. this year on medicinal weed. > Anyone know if it passed or not? And what do you lucky souls in the > Netherlands care if it's medicine or not? Just go to the bar and > score a lid! BTW, Jerry, not that you'd know personally, but maybe > you could ask somebody...what's the price range for good weed in your > neck of the world? > theo i answered this in another post,but am seeing red at the moment,so... yes,the idea passed by a landslide.the feds are still busting them tho. im not as well versed as jerry obviously,but was recently in amsterdam. its dirt cheap! i got three grams of northern lights for 10 guilders which is about 6.59 u.s. dollars.you can only buy up to like an ounce at a time. i think you can only carry like five grams. the funny thing is,as common as grass was,the locals dint seem to be all that into it.they might stop in for a puff or two on the way home for work, like some americans would stop in for a beer. rj From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Wed Dec 4 20:47:24 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:47:24 -0800 Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: At 08:41 PM 12/4/96 +0000, you wrote: >Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > >> >> Hey, there was a referendum in Cal. this year on medicinal weed. >> Anyone know if it passed or not? And what do you lucky souls in the >> Netherlands care if it's medicine or not? Just go to the bar and >> score a lid! BTW, Jerry, not that you'd know personally, but maybe >> you could ask somebody...what's the price range for good weed in your >> neck of the world? >> theo > >i answered this in another post,but am seeing red at the moment,so... >yes,the idea passed by a landslide.the feds are still busting them tho. > > >im not as well versed as jerry obviously,but was recently in amsterdam. >its dirt cheap! i got three grams of northern lights for 10 guilders >which >is about 6.59 u.s. dollars.you can only buy up to like an ounce at a >time. >i think you can only carry like five grams. >the funny thing is,as common as grass was,the locals dint seem to be >all that into it.they might stop in for a puff or two on the way home >for work, >like some americans would stop in for a beer. rj Too bad the feds don't get a clue from Amsterdam and end the WOD, at least for pot if for nothing else.. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "What ever you do, | | < *http://www2.connectnet.com/~jbrooks | take care of your |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | shoes" -- Phish From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Dec 4 23:37:49 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:37:49 +1000 Subject: BOC: Imaginos Guitarists In-Reply-To: <199612041659.LAA05491@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > Steve responds to my ramblings: > > > Hey, despite the album's shortcomings, I don't see how anyone could think > > that *Imaginos* is mediocre (and all of you out there that do, don't flame > > me too bad for saying so, o.k.?). > > John, man. Stop apologizing for having opinions, or I'm gonna get > mad and *really* flame you. ;-) > > > >Anyway, that's what they get for buying an album just because they > heard that their favorite mega-guitarist happens to appear on it. > What do you think Eddie Van Halen fans thought of _Thriller_? > > Good point. Still, I got a bit defensive there that someone could think > that Imaginos is mediocre. But, to each his/her own. > JEEZ, Man! You haven't even MET the dude! Don't get defensive over something you have no control over. I love Imaginos, you love Imaginos, dudes on this list love Imaginos--- That is good enough for me!!! :) (This same dude shreds me when I tell him that I find Satriani boring!). Care factor zero, and falling, ;) Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Dec 4 23:51:54 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:51:54 +1000 Subject: BOC: Vocals (EB, BD, AB), Imaginos, et al In-Reply-To: <01ICM3BD9G3C8WXPFY@jazz.ucc.uno.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Dec 1996 AJBEE at JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU wrote: > The goldmine interview is on the net so buying the magizine is > not the only way to read it. > > Speaking of AL(anier)'s vocals, does anyone know why he only sang > one song? I think his voice sounds great. > > Alton > Great Question! I remember reading an album review many moons ago, for Mirrors, where they said that Allen was the "true genius of the band" , mainly because of the "hits", "lonely teardrops" and "In thee". I like his work, and until I saw a live vid, I didn't realise he played some of the cool guitar work. I always thought it was EB who played those bits. Now I realise that the guitar of Eric is almost purely ornamental. :) The only other equally as whacky album review about BOC that I read was for CE, in the mag "Record Review",(?) back in the Stone age. It said that the album was fine up until the vocals of (and I quote) "Eric "Buffoon" Bloom", and that "the band should get rid of him, and explore their Yes-meets-Black Sabbath sound". What a jerk! No wonder they ain't popular any more. (The mag I mean). Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Dec 4 23:54:42 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:54:42 +1000 Subject: BOC: Imaginos Guitarists In-Reply-To: <199612042011.PAA18697@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > >Satriani was the "siege" soloist and Bob "the Doors guitar" Krieger was on > "BOC"... > > Oops, got Satriani and Krieger mixed up. Thanks Jason > > John > Funny, it SOUNDS right the first way. Troy From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Dec 5 00:44:18 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 00:44:18 -0500 Subject: BOC: Vocals (EB, BD, AB), Imaginos, et al Message-ID: >The goldmine interview is on the net so buying the magizine is >not the only way to read it. > >Speaking of AL(anier)'s vocals, does anyone know why he only sang >one song? I think his voice sounds great. Kept hitting the mic with his cigarette? From stayer at PI.NET Thu Dec 5 03:21:25 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 00:21:25 PST Subject: Bloom Message-ID: Tom Tully yelled: >ADRIAN, I NOTICED YOU WERE LISTENING TO THE NEW SHADOW GALLERY CD. HOW >IS IT AND WHERE DID YOU PURCHASE IT AT. I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR QUITE A >WHILE FOR IT. I LIVE IN CLEVELAND OHIO Hm, apparently some differences in musical taste here. I got 'Carved In Stone' because of the positive reviews - I hate it! It's so pretentious, many simple pieces (not unlike AOR) stuck together with a tape of progrock - it holds no emotions for me. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu Dec 5 03:24:20 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 00:24:20 PST Subject: OFF: progrock Message-ID: Craig said about Shadow Gallery: >IMHO, these guys don't hold a candle to the best American prog-rock band >in a long time and that be Mastermind! Try Mastermind IV: Until Eternity >first and be blown away!! Great choice! :-) What about Enchant? Not as heavy, but still great. Didn't they release their second album recently? Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu Dec 5 03:25:50 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 00:25:50 PST Subject: OFF: Shadow Gallery (wuz: Bloom) Message-ID: Bill, I'm subscribed to BOC-L, a discussion list about Hawkwind and Blue Oyster Cult. Here's a message from BOC-L that you might like... Jerry ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tom, > >I'm not Adrian, nor do I play him on TV. I picked up my copy of Carved In Stone from Tower >Records in Vienna VA. It is on the Magna Carta label and should be easy to obtain either thru >Tower (if you have one locally, that is) or from one of the many on-line services like Ranjit or >Wylie (AKA Bananamoon; try our resident CD-monger first). > >IMHO, these guys don't hold a candle to the best American prog-rock band in a long time >and that be Mastermind! Try Mastermind IV: Until Eternity first and be blown away!! > >Craig Shipley >craigs at pyyramid.com >---------- >From: Tully, Thomas (MSX)[SMTP:tully at LINELNT1.LIGHT.GE.COM] >Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 1996 2:24 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: OFF: Shadow Gallery (wuz: Bloom) > >Tom >ADRIAN, I NOTICED YOU WERE LISTENING TO THE NEW SHADOW GALLERY CD. HOW >IS IT AND WHERE DID YOU PURCHASE IT AT. I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR QUITE A >WHILE FOR IT. I LIVE IN CLEVELAND OHIO >PLEASE LET ME KNOW . >THANKS, >TOM TULLY ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Dec 5 00:35:15 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:35:15 +1100 Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > > >From Jerry: > > > Martin said: > > > > >Thain, I think, was in trouble with drugs and although I can't remember > > >clearly, I am sure his death was drugs related. I remember reading an > > >article in Melody Maker in 1976 about people in the rock world who had > > >died through abuse of drugs - and he was up there with Joplin, Hendrix et > > >al. > > > > Joplin died of alcohol - a legal drug... > > Hendrix died of sleeping pills - a legal drug... > > Hm... > > > > You sure about that? I'm almost certain Joplin OD'd. It's Morisson > who drank himself to death, but he supposedly died of a heart attack. > Bonham was the one who drank himself to death... And, Jack Kerouac died from too much alcohol, as well as William Burroughs the 3rd (Bill Burroughs' son), whereas Bill Burroughs is still with us, and Timothy Leary only passed away a few months ago of cancer. - Max Wilcox From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Dec 5 01:42:39 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 17:42:39 +1100 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: On 3 Dec 96 at 15:22, Christian Mumford wrote: > They started a bad trend with the Sonic Attack album in '81 - so > it's not like it's a new thing... Now, if only they released _less_ > albums, they'd have time to come up with new stuff instead of > recycling old stuff :). Did I hear right? *LESS* HW albums? That's sacrilege maaan! Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Dec 5 01:49:43 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 17:49:43 +1100 Subject: OFF: Alien (4?) Art Message-ID: I hate sending junk mail to the list, but this is worth looking at: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~acb/raytraces/assembly.gif Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Dec 5 02:46:28 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 17:46:28 +1000 Subject: BOC: Vocals (EB, BD, AB), Imaginos, et al Message-ID: At 02:51 PM 5/12/96 +1000, you wrote: > Great Question! > I remember reading an album review many moons ago, for Mirrors, where they >said that Allen was the "true genius of the band" , mainly because of the >"hits", "lonely teardrops" and "In thee". > I like his work, and until I saw a live vid, I didn't realise he played >some of the cool guitar work. I always thought it was EB who played >those bits. Now I realise that the guitar of Eric is almost purely >ornamental. :) > > The only other equally as whacky album review about BOC that I read was >for CE, in the mag "Record Review",(?) back in the Stone age. It said that >the album was fine up until the vocals of (and I quote) "Eric >"Buffoon" Bloom", and that "the band should get rid of him, and explore >their Yes-meets-Black Sabbath sound". What a jerk! > No wonder they ain't popular any more. (The mag I mean). > > Troy There's a band history at http://www.roughguides.com/RG_WWW/rock/final_rock_entries/BLUE_OYSTER_CULT.html that puzzled me when I read the bit about BOC refuting "allegations of neo-nazism" around the time of *Secret Treaties*. Have I missed something? Pete. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Gonna buy a fast car, put on my lead boots and take a long, long drive. I may end up spending all my money, but I'll still be alive." - The Who From dahl at AROS.NET Thu Dec 5 03:14:09 1996 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 01:14:09 -0700 Subject: BOC: Bloom Message-ID: >>>My visual image of BOC as Rock and Roll monsters in the 70's and 80's - Al's energetic and soulful drumming, Buck's understated brilliance on guitar, Allan's subtle but haunting keys, Joe's booming bass driving the beat....but most of all the coolest lead guy in the rock and roll world at center mike, singing, nararating, posing and genrerally coordinating the show...Eric Bloom. I guess all five guys can be credited with the sucess of Blue Oyster Cult.<<< I have to agree with Adrian. The greatist thing about the band was the band. It was never the same after Al left, and probably never will be the same. The original magic of the 5 original guys is a rarity in the world of music. I'm just glad I was able to experience a few of the shows while the band was together. I caught every tour starting with the On Your Feer or On Your Knees tour (missing only the Cultasaurus Erectus tour because I was in the hospital attempting to bleed to death) up to the departure of Al. I've seen 3OC now 3 times and have enjoyed every show, but it isn't the same. There's no way that replacing or eliminating any of the 5 original guys would improve the band. I still can't wait for the new album though. Brad Dahl (not to be confused with the other Brad in Utah, who seems like a damn decent guy) From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Dec 5 03:33:11 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 03:33:11 -0500 Subject: Rockers deaths Message-ID: On 3-DEC-1996 22:36:20.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >------ =_NextPart_000_01BBE169.BEC1ACC0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >No, Gary Thain did not commit suicide. It was David Byron of UH that >accident ally killed himself with a >gun (at least I think it was an accident; doesn't someone have one of >those b ooks that list the histories of >bands and the fate of their members?) Maybe it was Wettons' accident >that I a m attributing Thains demise to; >there is this little brain cell telling me that Thain died from a >disease or infection, but what, I don't know...) >All I can say is that the Heep was not a band to be in if you wanted >to live to be a ripe ol' age (BTW, I loved the >Heep, up until about Wonderworld or High And Mighty. And Ken Hensley >was (is, maybe, he is still active, but >rather low-key (pun alert!)) a great songsmith and >multi-instrumentalist... >objCDPlayer: Ken Hensley / Proud Words On A Dusty Shelf >Craig Shipley Funny, I thought I read that Byron drank himself to death (whether it was suicide or not, I don't know, I'm sure any way it could have been considered some form of suicide) and that Thain's demise was due to something similar, like drugs... Chuck `[1;33;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Thu Dec 5 03:50:25 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:50:25 -0000 Subject: Alien (4?) Art Message-ID: Yeah, Interesting. Where dos this originate from? ---------- From: Paul G Ward[SMTP:paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 1996 06:49 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: OFF: Alien (4?) Art I hate sending junk mail to the list, but this is worth looking at: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~acb/raytraces/assembly.gif Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... 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I think he may have a point.... Martin On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, Craig Shipley wrote: > > > > >From Johan; > > > > > At 08:58 1996-12-04 +0000, you wrote: > > > >clearly, I am sure his death was drugs related. I remember reading an > > > >article in Melody Maker in 1976 about people in the rock world who had > > > >died through abuse of drugs - and he was up there with Joplin, Hendrix et > > > >al. > > > > > Ah yes, Thain, Hendrix, Morisson...All right, kids, what's wrong with > > this picture? > > > Uhhh, if you are a drug-addled fool, don't play rock music??? > > I am also disgusted by the lack of intelligence of some of the artists > who prematurly did themselves in. Playing an ELECTRIC guitar in a bathtub? > What a f***ing first-class IDIOT!! (I lost a high-school buddy who was > watching TV while taking a bath. The TV fell in the tub and ... ;-( ). > Putting a gun to ones' head (or any other part of their anatomy) for fun > or to impress someone is the apex of stupidity. Man, it is bad enough that > LIFE is out to get you, why would anyone want to do anything dumb enough to > hasten that process? > > > Is this the Uriah Heep frontman we're discussing? When did he check > > out? And is there some curse on UH? And if so, when can we expect > > Mick Box to cash in? > > > Yup, the UH frontman (although he had left UH long before his death. He was > fronting a band called something like Black Diamond or maybe he was just > performing solo. I recollect an LP that had him on the front cover, which > I think was a solo LP; I had stopped buying UH and UH-related material by that > time, so this one was never heard by me). This incident took place sometime in > the late '70's/early '80's. Curse on UH? I know they had the devils' own time > in keeping a bassist until Thain came along and that they are now pretty much > a mediocre metal band, but no more cursed than anyone else...I think that Box > and the drummer are the only two original memebers left. Box has probably seen > enough bad shit happen to his old mates to keep him on the straight and narrow. > > > > > Another rocker's death is the Felix Pappalardi Incident. The bass player of Mountain was shot to death 1983 by his wife Gail Collins (the Mountain cover artist) during a ordinary "house fuzz". > > > > Was it '83? I though it was a lot more recent than that, like the early '90's. > Sorry, no other details... > > > > Well finally we come to a real tragedy. I know this was a > > sensational case. Anyone have details? > > theo > > > > > > > > > > -- > -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com > ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. > -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 > -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 > From skarsol at EROLS.COM Wed Dec 4 15:34:47 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 20:34:47 +0000 Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: Jerry wrote: > > Martin said: > > >Thain, I think, was in trouble with drugs and although I can't remember > >clearly, I am sure his death was drugs related. I remember reading an > >article in Melody Maker in 1976 about people in the rock world who had > >died through abuse of drugs - and he was up there with Joplin, Hendrix et > >al. > > Joplin died of alcohol - a legal drug... > Hendrix died of sleeping pills - a legal drug... > Hm... > > There's a new type of discussion here in Holland about drugs - marihuana as > medicine. To everyone's surprise, some sort of health council declared > marihuana not applicable as medicine. Not only patients who use marihuana, > but also doctors were really surprised. Now we only have to hope the Dutch > government doesn't follow the advise, or else marihuana will not be covered > by social insurance... > > Jerry the same crap is going on here in the us. california has decided that dr's may prescribe thc for various ailments.our discusting,heavy handed federal gov't, has decided that the people can not decide anything for themselves,and are seeking to prosecute any dr/patient who avails themselves of their new right. in another case of our god-wannabe gov't overstepping their bounds,they are trying to force local authorities to enforce their mandates on other subjects,like gun control(the responsibility for background checks being forced upon local sherriffs and such.) obviously,our gov't feels that if it is legalised for medicine,then the people wont so easily swallow their downright lies about it.oh,and did you know that marijuana is 22 times as strong today,now that it must be grown in out of the way places where the conditions are less than good,than it was in the sixties,when it was grown whereever conditions were best? wishing there was someplace decent to bail out to,before all of our rights are gone, rj From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Thu Dec 5 05:49:15 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 10:49:15 -0000 Subject: OFF:Zappa Message-ID: Hi Hopefully there are some Zappa aficionados in the group who can help me with a problem. Years ago I used to listen to quite a lot of Zappa but mostly at friends' houses so where I got to know and to like a lot of Zappa material, I never really knew the album or track names. I was listening to the radio much more recently and the station (I forget which) played one of my favorite tracks but they never said what the title/album was. I really want to buy this and add it to my collection. The track may well be called Dungeon of Dispair or similar, from what I remember the lyrics go: Flies all green and buzzin in the dungeon of dispair Prisoners grumble and piss their clothes and scratch their matted hair A tiny light from a window hole a 100 yards away Is all they ever get to see of the regular light of the day And it stinks so bad their bones been chokin....... I can't remember much more except for a line about "a sinister midget with a bucket and a mop where the blood goes down the drain" PLEASE, somebody tell me what album this is from & what is the track title. Thanks Mike P From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Thu Dec 5 05:56:23 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 10:56:23 GMT Subject: OFF:Zappa Message-ID: Mike P asks 'bout Zappa Mike - the album you are after is the excellent 'Thing Fish' double cd. Its a concept album, (right on topic with Imaginos :-) ). Also features Steve Vai. A must buy. Cheers, Neil. ObThingfishtrack 'He's so Gay' From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Thu Dec 5 08:20:00 1996 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (haiwhachahaiuh!) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:20:00 -0000 Subject: BOC: Vocals (EB, BD, AB), Imaginos, et al Message-ID: Pete wrote: >There's a band history at >http://www.roughguides.com/RG_WWW/rock/final_rock_entries/BLUE_OYSTER_CULT.html >that puzzled me when I read the bit about BOC refuting "allegations of >neo-nazism" around the time of *Secret Treaties*. Have I missed something? >From what i remember from either past BOC-L discussion or in other sources there was a show in which a BOC fan showed up in full Nazi uniform. I think the Neo-Nazism might also have been due to "ME 262" since it was a German fighter in WWII. Black Heart of Soul, Jason From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Dec 5 08:22:59 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:22:59 -0500 Subject: OFF:Zappa In-Reply-To: <9612051056.AA22633@helena.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Dec 1996 shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM wrote: > Mike P asks 'bout Zappa > > Mike - the album you are after is the excellent 'Thing Fish' double cd. > Its a concept album, (right on topic with Imaginos :-) ). Also features > Steve Vai. > > A must buy. The track is called "The Torture Never Stops." It appears in lots of versions across the Zappa catalogue. Actually, it's more likely that the radio station played the version from the _Zoot Allures_ album, which is usually credited on Zappa albums as being its place of first release. The double CD _Thing-Fish_ includes a re-working of the track ("The Torchum' Never Stops"), and that album often gets mixed reviews (on account of it being a mock-broadway-show-kind-of-thing). I like _Thing-Fish_, but if you're after that track specifically, you could save money by buying _Zoot Allures_ (single CD) instead. You'd also be getting the essential "Black Napkins" if you did, along with lots of other rollicking singalong tracks like "Wind Up Workin' In A Gas Station," "Wonderful Wino," "Disco Boy," etc. etc. Cheers, Paul. ob3CD: Frank Zappa, _L\"ather_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. "It probably wasn't real piss, only theatre piss..." --- "Harry & Rhonda," _Thing-Fish_ by Frank Zappa From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Dec 5 08:49:35 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:49:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: Alien (4?) Art In-Reply-To: <199612050313.OAA07732@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Paul G Ward wrote: > I hate sending junk mail to the list, but this is worth looking at: > > http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~acb/raytraces/assembly.gif That piece looks more inspired by Schwa than _Alien 4_. For more zany Schwa stuff, have a look at http://www.theschwacorporation.com/ The individual words making up the Schwa definition take you to all manner of weirdness and, importantly, to Schwa artwork... Do *YOU* have your alien detector handy? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Brain Surgeons, _Box of Hammers_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Thu Dec 5 09:07:02 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:07:02 -0000 Subject: OFF:Zappa Message-ID: ---------- From: Paul Mather[SMTP:paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 1996 01:22 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF:Zappa Yes, This is the album I remember. Wind up working in a gas station, Disco boy. Disco boeeey, run to the toilet & comb your haiiirr..... Mike P The track is called "The Torture Never Stops." It appears in lots of versions across the Zappa catalogue. Actually, it's more likely that the radio station played the version from the _Zoot Allures_ album, which is usually credited on Zappa albums as being its place of first release. The double CD _Thing-Fish_ includes a re-working of the track ("The Torchum' Never Stops"), and that album often gets mixed reviews (on account of it being a mock-broadway-show-kind-of-thing). 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Yes I would agree. Stuff requiring a real show of "emotion" often seem to fit Al's style better than either Buck or Eric. Buck (laid-back) and Eric (hard-edged) seem to me a bit more one-dimensional as singers, although their vocal tone is excellent for their particular styles, and they carry them off extremely well. Having had the benefit of hearing demo tracks of Imaginos with Albert's vocals throughout, I believe that some of the tracks worked better with Albert's original vocals, while I preferred Buck and Eric's on some: I Am the One You Warned Me Of -- both Al and Eric do this one well. Les Invisibles - Buck's vocals seem to fit the mood of the song better. In the Presence of Another World - I like Eric's vocal, although Al's is good. Del Rio's Song - Al's vocal beats Eric here. Frankenstein - Well, Albert's vocal is pretty good, but Joey Cerisano blows everyone else away. Astronomy - I like Buck's vocals on this one. Magna of Illusion - Buck and Al treat this one very differently. I like them both, but Albert's inflection make it easier to follow the story here. B.O.C - Well, Al sings on both versions, which works well, although I do like the parts that Buck sings (although it wouldn't have been as good had Buck sang the whole song, I suspect) Imaginos - Al is definitely better than Jon Rogers, although there's a few spots in the song that Jon embellishes a bit on what he no doubt heard Al doing on the demo - the embellishments work for me, but overall Al is better. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 5 09:16:22 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:16:22 -0500 Subject: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: theo writes: >I agree totally that Imaginos would have been a blockbuster for BOC. Personally, though, I think the timing would have been best [blest with hindsight, mind you] if it had appeared after Agents or Spectres, simply 'cause BOC was still riding high on the success of Reaper and Godzilla. Given the popularity at the time [and the accompanying laser light show] I think the fans would have embraced such a project. And this riding high was reflected in *Some Enchanted Evening*, which I believe is something that band wanted to do as there was some dis- satisfaction with OYFOOYK. In the Goldmine interview, Albert mentioned that BOC as a live act musically was probably at it's peak around 77 or 78 (I think he said they were running like a well-oiled machine at that point, or something to that effect). Of course, I would think that doing a live album after a tour would be much easier than a new studio album, so the release of SEE could give the band a little extra time to flesh out the Imaginos material (remember, we're talking over 90 minutes of music that was planned originally). And, if you consider how the fans *didn't* embrace Mirrors, I think my hindsight of having Imaginos done after SEE would have been a better choice. Then again, I didn't become a BOC fan until after that, so I'm not in a good position to judge the mood of BOC fans in the mid-70's. John From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 5 08:43:43 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:43:43 GMT Subject: HW: Lyrics for LSD In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:53:42 -0500 Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > no HW lyrics archive to be found. > > So, did I miss a site or have lyric files been withdrawn from the web > because of some copyright reason? lyrics had to be withdrawn 'cos they were apparently infringing copyright. There is a file around somewhere tho'. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Dec 5 10:27:46 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 23:27:46 +0800 Subject: HW: Lyrics for LSD Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > > Martyn White writes: > > > no HW lyrics archive to be found. > > > > So, did I miss a site or have lyric files been withdrawn from the web > > because of some copyright reason? > > lyrics had to be withdrawn 'cos they were apparently infringing > copyright. There is a file around somewhere tho'. > > jill The lyrics to LSD is in the 25 Years On box set. Also, regarding the lyrics files, I downloaded them some time back and have been updating them (some of the lyrics were completely wrong. eg Dying Seas). William From ABrevard at SHL.COM Thu Dec 5 11:32:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R. (MSMail)) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:32:00 -0700 Subject: BOC: Imaginos slotting & Magna carta Records Message-ID: Theo Said - "I agree totally that Imaginos would have been a blockbuster for BOC. Personally, though, I think the timing would have been best [blest with hindsight, mind you] if it had appeared after Agents or Spectres, simply 'cause BOC was still riding high on the success of Reaper and Godzilla." Ah we disagree here. BTW Theo get Hoey's Bug Alley if you haven't already, real crunchy cover of Black Magic Woman, with Gary doing vox. Then Jason Said - "Don't forget too that (i think in the Cosmic Debris interview from the tBS page) AoF and onwards was the start of the band getting out of the "BOC's inferno" that the 1st 3 LPs created along with their band imagery on tour in those days and to focus on not heavy "in the bad sense" music production." I agree more with this. Stylistically I put Imaginos in the same category with the big three. Releasing it after OYFOOYK flows better for me, but hey I+m not CBS records (and damn proud of it. 8^). Now this may only make sense to me but this off topic stuff (that I inadvertaently started) leads me to an idea. "Tom Tully yelled: >ADRIAN, I NOTICED YOU WERE LISTENING TO THE NEW SHADOW GALLERY CD. HOW >IS IT AND WHERE DID YOU PURCHASE IT AT. I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR QUITE A >WHILE FOR IT. I LIVE IN CLEVELAND OHIO Carved in Stone has been out for a while. Like most Magna Carta albums you won+t find it at a Best Buy or Circuit City. You need a real record store like Towers or HMV, anyone that sells stuff you won+t hear on a radio. Count me as opposite to Jerry and Craig, I think its pretty good, not earth shattering but not bad either. Jerry Says - "Hm, apparently some differences in musical taste here. I got 'Carved In Stone' because of the positive reviews - I hate it! It's so pretentious, many simple pieces (not unlike AOR) stuck together with a tape of progrock - it holds no emotions for me." Guess you probably don+t like Dream Theater either. I+m not knocking your taste Jerry but my experience has been that this new brand of prog metal is either adored or hated, very little in between. Then Craig Shipley said - >Tom, >I'm not Adrian, nor do I play him on TV. I picked up my copy of Carved In Stone from Tower Records in Vienna VA. It is on the Magna Carta label and should be easy to obtain either thru Tower (if you have one locally, that is) or from one of the many on-line services like Ranjit or >Wylie (AKA Bananamoon; try our resident CD-monger first). >IMHO, these guys don't hold a candle to the best American prog-rock band in a long time and that be Mastermind! Try Mastermind IV: Until Eternity first and be blown away!! > >Craig Shipley >craigs at pyyramid.com Hannging out in my hood agian Shipley? A friend was recommending some Mastermind, hmmm see if I can find it in a listening post. Craig said "the best American prog-rock band in a long time and that be Mastermind!" Well depends on your definition of Progressive. Dream Theater, Threshold and SG I put into the progressive metal movement. For sheer progressive rock no one beats King's X my friend. 8^). Then Jerry chimed in again> "Great choice! :-) What about Enchant? Not as heavy, but still great. Didn't they release their second album recently?" I like the Enchant also, though I haven+t been able to secure a copy of their latest. I loved their work on the Yes Tribute (Magna Carta). Enchant and Steve Morse are the best on the tribute. Whew ok mail out of the way, the long road leads me to this idea. Magna Carta records is a label producing/distributing some young prog and prog metal bands, Shadow Gallery, Enchant, Magellan, Lemur Voice, Altura. In the last year or two they have brought together various artist and bands to produce Tribute albums for groups such as Rush, Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull and Pink Floyd. Some are note for note renditions while others are dramatically changed. If there was any label with the balls and convictions to do something with Imaginos, ie., re-do it in its original unabridged form or a recording of what was actually packaged, they might be the right choice. On the tributes they+ve done they have used people like Steve Howe, Steve Morse, Stu Hamm, members of Dream Theater, Shadow Gallery, Fates Warning, etc. They can certainly line up the talent and they aren+t afraid of producing music that dosen+t have the "radio ready" feel to it. Now this leads me to some questions for Al. Given that Imaginos was started as a solo project how did CBS end up with the rights to the songs? Were you personally still obligated to CBS or did you choose them because of past business dealings? AB obCD: Sea Level - The Best Of From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Dec 5 10:33:54 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 23:33:54 +0800 Subject: OFF: Harveys Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > > Martin wrote: > >Les Harvey, guitarist with Stone the Crows and brother of the Sensational > >Alex, was electrocuted live on stage in Swansea, Wales, in 1972 (I think). > > I wasn't aware of this connection. Didn't some ill fate also > befall Alex Harvey. I remember seeing the sensational Alex Harvey band > in about '72 with Alex as front man. But a few years later they were > calling themselves the SAHB band or some sort and he was missing. > Alex Harvey died of a heart attack. I think it was on a ship, returning from a European tour. SAHB (Without Alex) was the name of the band when Alex went off and made a documentary album about the Loch Ness Monster. William From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Thu Dec 5 10:37:56 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 07:37:56 -0800 Subject: BOC: Vocals (EB, BD, AB), Imaginos, et al Message-ID: At 05:46 PM 12/5/96 +1000, you wrote: >There's a band history at >http://www.roughguides.com/RG_WWW/rock/final_rock_entries/BLUE_OYSTER_CULT.html >that puzzled me when I read the bit about BOC refuting "allegations of >neo-nazism" around the time of *Secret Treaties*. Have I missed something? I think that is mostly due to the album cover and the song M.E. 262 - "Hitler's on the phone from Berlin, says I'm gonna make you a star.." Some people pick up on any little bit and decide that because of it, the band must be nazis or satan worshipers or whatever... They probably never paid any heed to the rest of the lyrics. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "What ever you do, | | < *http://www2.connectnet.com/~jbrooks | take care of your |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | shoes" -- Phish From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Dec 5 10:44:44 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 23:44:44 +0800 Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > > davey wrote the music. > > not to discredit alan.i think he's a genius.and ron is actually MUCH > > more intelligent than he looks. ;) > > Well, I've always been in favour of Ron, after getting over the shock > that HW had added another member without creating a designated synth > player, and consider _Alien 4_ one of the HW highpoints of the decade so > far. I've managed to not be appalled by some of his vocals which have > distressed others :) I also give good marks for his lyrics! > > Cheers, > Carl > I also have high regard for Ron's work so far. I do feel though that many fans are making too many comparisons with Robert Calvert which is unfair. William From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Thu Dec 5 10:49:18 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 07:49:18 -0800 Subject: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: At 09:09 AM 12/5/96 -0500, you wrote: >Frankenstein - Well, Albert's vocal is pretty good, but Joey Cerisano blows >everyone else away. Am I the only one who originally thought that it was EB on this one? I remember thinking that it was definately Eric's best ever vocal performance.. Then I found out it was this Joey guy.. Oh... _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "What ever you do, | | < *http://www2.connectnet.com/~jbrooks | take care of your |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | shoes" -- Phish From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Thu Dec 5 10:56:22 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 23:56:22 +0800 Subject: Rockers deaths Message-ID: Johan Edlundh wrote: > > At 08:58 1996-12-04 +0000, you wrote: > >Did David Byron really kill himself by accident with a gun? That strikes > >me as quite amazing because exactly the same thing happened to Terry Kath, > >guitarist with Chicago. He didn't think it was loaded, pointed it at his > >head and pulled the trigger to amuse his friends.... > > and they was amused..? > > >Thain, I think, was in trouble with drugs and although I can't remember > >clearly, I am sure his death was drugs related. I remember reading an > >article in Melody Maker in 1976 about people in the rock world who had > >died through abuse of drugs - and he was up there with Joplin, Hendrix et > >al. > > As far as I know Thain was on drugs when he drowned - and his use of it was also the reason why he left/was sacked from Heep half a year (?) earlier. > > I've never heard of a gun when talking about the death of Byron. He was in a heavy booze sequence, and he was told by a doctor that he should be dead within six months if he didn't quit *now*. Then he put in another gear - found the booze overdrive - and finished it on two months. That's the story which reached Sweden. > > \\joe I believe you are right on those Heep deaths there (oops! I sound like an F Troop reject). I think Thain's death was linked to the combination of drugs and his medical condition. I seem to remember that Byron was also on the verge of bankrupcy at the time. I also seem to remember references to his death, and the cover of one of his solo albums, "Baby Face Killer", which shows him lying dead on a bed. William From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Thu Dec 5 11:00:51 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:00:51 +0000 Subject: BOC: Vocals (EB, BD, AB), Imaginos, et al In-Reply-To: <199612050544.AAA24994@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: I think the varying responses in reply to the initial comment on EB shows just what a great group BOC really were/are. We all like them for our own reasons, and, as a result, being only human, we all have our favourites. What a boring BOC world it would be if we all liked the same people, the same songs, the same albums, etc. What makes BOC so great is that there are so many different facets to them. They are not the only band this is true of, but they are the only one called Blue Oyster Cult. Even what we think may be indifferent BOC is far superior to the best of Phil Collins. Long live BOC! Martin PS: It would be interesting to know why AL didn't sing on more than one song - and what, then, is the significance of that song? His voice is pretty good to my ears. On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >The goldmine interview is on the net so buying the magizine is > >not the only way to read it. > > > >Speaking of AL(anier)'s vocals, does anyone know why he only sang > >one song? I think his voice sounds great. > > Kept hitting the mic with his cigarette? > From dahl at AROS.NET Thu Dec 5 11:19:31 1996 From: dahl at AROS.NET (dahl) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:19:31 -0700 Subject: OFF: Zappa Message-ID: Mike, It's not Thing Fish. Do not buy that CD! I'm a huge Zappa fan and that's his only release I bought and wish I hadn't. The song in question is "The Torture Never Stops" . It's on several albums. Get "The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life". The version there is fabulous. Brad From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Dec 5 07:20:53 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:20:53 +0000 Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: > > I also have high regard for Ron's work so far. I do feel though that > many fans are making too many comparisons with Robert Calvert which is > unfair. > > William i really don't think its unfair.it may be so,to an extent,but ron was greatly influenced by calvert,and on the 95 us tour,he was linked to calvert's style by the promoters in the press releases.ron is probably flattered that people are making the comparison. now to judge him harshly because he isnt exactly calvert would be unfair.which is what you mean,i suspect.ron does try hard to keep his own style,which he was really just developing as he joined hw.not to say he dint have his own before hw,but that he had to come up with a new one that suited the job. btw-i rcently saw the euro vh-1 thingy with hw.i noticed how ron toned down his vocals for it,and was a bit amused to see him propped up before the mike on the 'love in space' part.like they were trying to make it appear as if ron were singing. hee hee i also noticed there was a pound or two of make-up on him.he looked like that genie from that old kids show by sid and marty croft about the hat-world.;) but it was a cool thing.i esp liked the interviews. thanks to jon browne (i think), for getting it over to us soil.(if it was someone else,who sent it to bob lennon, apologies,and thank YOU.) rj From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Dec 5 11:27:10 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 11:27:10 -0500 Subject: OFF:Zappa Message-ID: >The track is called "The Torture Never Stops." It appears in >lots of versions across the Zappa catalogue. Actually, it's more likely >that the radio station played the version from the _Zoot Allures_ album, >which is usually credited on Zappa albums as being its place of first >release. > >The double CD _Thing-Fish_ includes a re-working of the track ("The >Torchum' Never Stops"), and that album often gets mixed reviews (on >account of it being a mock-broadway-show-kind-of-thing). I like >_Thing-Fish_, but if you're after that track specifically, you could save >money by buying _Zoot Allures_ (single CD) instead. You'd also be getting >the essential "Black Napkins" if you did, along with lots of other >rollicking singalong tracks like "Wind Up Workin' In A Gas Station," >"Wonderful Wino," "Disco Boy," etc. etc. > >Cheers, > >Paul. I must agree with Paul. Zoot Allures is my favorite Zappa album Martyn From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Dec 5 11:41:55 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:41:55 PST Subject: BOC: Nazi references... In-Reply-To: <199612051537.HAA00626@smtp.connectnet.com>; from "Joseph Brooks" at Dec 5, 96 7:37 am Message-ID: > > At 05:46 PM 12/5/96 +1000, you wrote: > > >There's a band history at > >http://www.roughguides.com/RG_WWW/rock/final_rock_entries/BLUE_OYSTER_CULT.html > >that puzzled me when I read the bit about BOC refuting "allegations of > >neo-nazism" around the time of *Secret Treaties*. Have I missed something? > > I think that is mostly due to the album cover and the song M.E. 262 - > "Hitler's on the phone from Berlin, says I'm gonna make you a star.." Some > people pick up on any little bit and decide that because of it, the band > must be nazis or satan worshipers or whatever... They probably never paid > any heed to the rest of the lyrics. > _ > | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "What ever you do, > | | < *http://www2.connectnet.com/~jbrooks | take care of your > |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | shoes" -- Phish > Ahhh, yes, the old "BOC Nazi" reference! I remember reading an interview in one of the local DC rags that started off with the "Are you guys Nazis?". This was about the time of _ST_ and was probably due to the _ST_ cover. I think that the article then made the point that most of the band is Jewish. I also remember a song title (tongue-in-cheek?) refered to as "Concentration Camp For Dogs", which wouldn't do much to help dispel the Aryan Race references. The ad campaign for _ST_ was much more in the Allied camp, with the band dressed in WWII-era USAAF flight gear at a pre-mission briefing with the accompanying verbage "Aggression Unchecked is Aggression Unleashed". Militiaristic, yes; Nazis, NO (even ME-262's flew in Allied colors and the famous ME-109 flew for the Israieli AF in their war of liberation, so the choice of aircraft for the cover-art can't be blamed too much. -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Thu Dec 5 11:44:57 1996 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:44:57 -0700 Subject: BRAIN: Utah Brads and BoH Message-ID: >Brad Dahl (not to be confused with the other Brad in Utah, who seems >like a damn decent guy) Wow. That's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me on the net. Wonder what I did to deserve it? :) I also wanted to do my quick review of BoH too. But I loaned the disc to a friend and he won't give it back! Guess that's a good sign. I do, however, want to say that I love this album. Trepanantion was great and probably still has my favorite song -My Civilization- but BoH is better. How? Well I don't know. I just know that I was working in my basement last weekend trying to frame up a room and I listened to that damned CD (BoH) about 20 times. I just put it in the CD player and hit repeat. This is how I really have to listen to an album to get a chance for my subconscious mind to pick out the stuff I really like. -Gun- is a great song. It just is. -St.Vitus- is also fantastic. Others that stand out are -laura's plastic swords- and -Donkey show-. The sound of Donkey show is great and the lyrics are a real hoot! And of course -Tender was the Night- has all of the elements that John S. described about Al's voice haunting yet humerous. This song is just perfect. It sounds like a fun little song but those sinister lyrics! Another great album. THANKS AL!!! Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us P.S. Oh yeah, -Overture- is also great. Every damn time I hear "Cappuccino" I get a good belly laugh. P.P.S Oh yeah #2, can't forget to thank Deb for this album too. THANKS DEB!!! From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Dec 5 10:49:01 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 10:49:01 -0500 Subject: OFF:Zappa In-Reply-To: <01BBE299.F5785BC0@dhcp-14.dhcp.tadpole.co.uk> from "Mike Parkington" at Dec 5, 96 10:49:15 am Message-ID: Hey Mike-- The tune is "The Torture Never Stops", and the original version of the track is on the album Zoot Allures. It's a good album--it contains another must have entitled "Wind Up Workin' in a Gas Station". There are also some live versions of TTNS, and it's neatly incorporated into the story line of Thing Fish. Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 5 12:07:35 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:07:35 -0500 Subject: BOC: Vocals (EB, BD, AB), Imaginos, et al Message-ID: Martin queries: >PS: It would be interesting to know why AL didn't sing on more than one song - and what, then, is the significance of that song? His voice is pretty good to my ears. I seem to remember either in the Goldmine article or some interview with Lanier back in the 70's that he said something to the effect that he doesn't particularly like singing lead, and found doing "True Confessions" very difficult. Nonetheless, I think it came out pretty good. Oh, I guess to avoid confusion, I should refer to Albert Bouchard as "Albert" and not "Al" since people might think "Al" refers to Allen Lanier's initials. John From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Dec 5 12:12:45 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:12:45 -0500 Subject: BOC: Vocals (EB, BD, AB), Imaginos, et al In-Reply-To: <199612050544.AAA24994@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Dec 5, 96 00:44:18 am Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > > >The goldmine interview is on the net so buying the magizine is > >not the only way to read it. > > > >Speaking of AL(anier)'s vocals, does anyone know why he only sang > >one song? I think his voice sounds great. > > Kept hitting the mic with his cigarette? ROFL! Steve swann at panix.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 5 12:10:45 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:10:45 -0500 Subject: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: Joe writes: >Am I the only one who originally thought that it was EB on this one? I remember thinking that it was definately Eric's best ever vocal performance.. Then I found out it was this Joey guy.. Oh... Well, had that performance of "Frankenstein" been Bloom, it definitely would have been his finest - although I don't think he could've done the song like that. Albert's version was good, but he didn't add some of those high notes that Joey hits. Actually, when I first heard this track, I thought it sounded a little like Joe Bouchard at least in tone - I don't think Joe could've hit some of those high notes the way Joey (Cerisano) did. John From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Dec 5 12:23:55 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:23:55 -0500 Subject: OFF:Zappa Message-ID: Guido writes: >another must have entitled "Wind Up Workin' in a Gas Station". There are Yes and this is a song that is very close to the heart of anyone who is trying to pursue a career in science at the moment!!! Martyn From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Dec 5 12:24:51 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:24:51 PST Subject: BOC: Imaginos slotting & Magna carta Records In-Reply-To: ; from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Dec 5, 96 9:32 am Message-ID: AB scrawled across me screen... > > "Tom Tully yelled: > > >ADRIAN, I NOTICED YOU WERE LISTENING TO THE NEW SHADOW GALLERY CD. HOW > >IS IT AND WHERE DID YOU PURCHASE IT AT. I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR QUITE A > >WHILE FOR IT. I LIVE IN CLEVELAND OHIO > > Carved in Stone has been out for a while. Like most Magna Carta albums > you won+t find it at a Best Buy or Circuit City. You need a real record > store like Towers or HMV, anyone that sells stuff you won+t hear on a > radio. Count me as opposite to Jerry and Craig, I think its pretty > good, not earth shattering but not bad either. > > Then Craig Shipley said - > > >Tom, > > >I'm not Adrian, nor do I play him on TV. I picked up my copy of Carved In > Stone from Tower Records in Vienna VA. It is on the Magna Carta label > and should be easy to > obtain either thru Tower (if you have one locally, that is) or from one > of the many on-line > services like Ranjit or >Wylie (AKA Bananamoon; try our resident > CD-monger first). > >IMHO, these guys don't hold a candle to the best American prog-rock band in > a long time and that be Mastermind! Try Mastermind IV: Until Eternity > first and be > blown away!! > > > >Craig Shipley > >craigs at pyyramid.com > > Hannging out in my hood agian Shipley? A friend was recommending some > Mastermind, hmmm see if I can find it in a listening post. Good luck in finding it, except maybe at the aforementioned Tower (which, BTW I got the CD at about six months ago. Was in your 'hood last week, but no Tower run... :-( ). I got my copies from the 'Net. Try hitting the Mastermind WWW page, complete with sound clips and MIDI files, for what the band sounds like. Great links, too! > > Craig said "the best American prog-rock band in a long time and that be > Mastermind!" > > Well depends on your definition of Progressive. Dream Theater, > Threshold and SG I put into the progressive metal movement. For sheer > progressive rock no one beats King's X my friend. 8^). > Prog-metal is Masterminds' territory. I hear some of the best Buck Dharma guitar-solos in there, a heavy Keith Emerson influence on the guitar-synths and overall sound and intelligent vocals ala BOC & HW. Never heard any King's X to speak of...and I do kinda like DT, BTW... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 5 12:09:00 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:09:00 EDT Subject: BOC: Nazi references... Message-ID: >>From Craig: > > I think that is mostly due to the album cover and the song M.E. 262 - > > "Hitler's on the phone from Berlin, says I'm gonna make you a star.." Some > > people pick up on any little bit and decide that because of it, the band > > must be nazis or satan worshipers or whatever... They probably never paid > > any heed to the rest of the lyrics. > > _ > > | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "What ever you do, > > | | < *http://www2.connectnet.com/~jbrooks | take care of your > > |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | shoes" -- Phish > > > Ahhh, yes, the old "BOC Nazi" reference! I remember reading an interview in > one of the local DC rags that started off with the "Are you guys Nazis?". This > was about the time of _ST_ and was probably due to the _ST_ cover. I think that > the article then made the point that most of the band is Jewish. I also > remember a song title (tongue-in-cheek?) refered to as "Concentration Camp For > Dogs", which wouldn't do much to help dispel the Aryan Race references. The I read a similar accusation made in an interview, and BD [I think it was] said in response to the Question: 'Are you guys Jewish Nazis? "Actually only Eric is Jewish." Funny thing is, ME262 is written about the final days of WWII when Naziism's defeat was certain. And the sound effects depict, among other things, a bombing raid certainly being carried out AGAINST Germany... theo From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Dec 5 13:58:32 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:58:32 -0500 Subject: BOC: Nazi references... In-Reply-To: from "Ted Jackson jr. EL84" at Dec 5, 96 01:09:00 pm Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL84 writes: > > I read a similar accusation made in an interview, and BD [I think it > was] said in response to the Question: 'Are you guys Jewish Nazis? > "Actually only Eric is Jewish." > > Funny thing is, ME262 is written about the final days of WWII when > Naziism's defeat was certain. And the sound effects depict, among > other things, a bombing raid certainly being carried out AGAINST > Germany... And of course, the whole thing is being taken out of context by the public anyway. This was part of Pearlman's mythology, the stuff that evolved into the Imaginos story. The fact that part of it takes place in Nazi Germany is just part of the story. ME262: Captain Von Ondine WotT: "by the power that was Undine" "undine" is an elemental creature of water. It's all tied in, but your average rock journalist isn't going to be aware of these things, or know anything about the Pearlman mythos, and just hears what sounds like an anthem for Nazi sympathizers. I don't doubt that Pearlman knew this, anticipated the public reaction, and reveled in the controversey and the great cheap publicity it gave to himself and the band. Steve swann at panix.com From stayer at PI.NET Thu Dec 5 10:33:23 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 07:33:23 PST Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: Jerry said: >> Joplin died of alcohol - a legal drug... >> Hendrix died of sleeping pills - a legal drug... >> Hm... Ted wondered: >You sure about that? I'm almost certain Joplin OD'd. It's Morisson >who drank himself to death, but he supposedly died of a heart attack. > Bonham was the one who drank himself to death... Not completely sure about Joplin. Morrison - they don't know whether it was alcohol or Pamela Courson's heroin that killed him. >Hey, there was a referendum in Cal. this year on medicinal weed. >Anyone know if it passed or not? And what do you lucky souls in the >Netherlands care if it's medicine or not? Just go to the bar and >score a lid! Well, some patients don't like the idea of entering a coffee shop only to get medicine. >BTW, Jerry, not that you'd know personally, but maybe >you could ask somebody...what's the price range for good weed in your >neck of the world? Your "neck of the world"? Typical American expression? Why wouldn't I know personally? Ten guilders (about $ 6.50) for a small bag (couple of grams), more than enough to build two joints (depends on how much you put in of course). Good weed... the only one we've got. :-) Thinking of crossing the pond? Jerry From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Thu Dec 5 14:18:54 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Clore) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 11:18:54 -0800 Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: Jerry wrote: > >BTW, Jerry, not that you'd know personally, but maybe > >you could ask somebody...what's the price range for good weed in your > >neck of the world? > > Your "neck of the world"? Typical American expression? I think the more typical American expression is "your neck of the woods"--as you might guess, a predominantly rural phrase. -- Dan Clore http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879 Visit the Waughters . . . From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 5 13:18:43 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:18:43 EDT Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: > From: Jerry > Jerry said: > >> Joplin died of alcohol - a legal drug... > >> Hendrix died of sleeping pills - a legal drug... > >> Hm... I doubr they were prescription drugs...At least not prescribed to JH... > > Ted wondered: > >You sure about that? I'm almost certain Joplin OD'd. It's Morisson > >who drank himself to death, but he supposedly died of a heart attack. > > Bonham was the one who drank himself to death... > > Not completely sure about Joplin. Morrison - they don't know whether it was > alcohol or Pamela Courson's heroin that killed him. > > >Hey, there was a referendum in Cal. this year on medicinal weed. > >Anyone know if it passed or not? And what do you lucky souls in the > >Netherlands care if it's medicine or not? Just go to the bar and > >score a lid! > > Well, some patients don't like the idea of entering a coffee shop only to > get medicine. > And, as you pointed out, it wouldn't be covered by insurance... > >BTW, Jerry, not that you'd know personally, but maybe > >you could ask somebody...what's the price range for good weed in your > >neck of the world? > > Your "neck of the world"? Typical American expression? It's really 'your neck of the woods.' I corrupted it on purpose given that your 'woods' are on another continent... > Why wouldn't I know personally? Making a joke...suggesting just the opposite, of course! > Ten guilders (about $ 6.50) for a small bag (couple of grams), more than > enough to build two joints (depends on how much you put in of course). > > Good weed... the only one we've got. :-) > > Thinking of crossing the pond? > > Jerry If I could, I'd be on the first flight! theo From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Dec 5 14:26:31 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:26:31 -0500 Subject: HW: Moonglum Question Message-ID: I always seem to be asking questions when I post, nowadays but what the hey. Who is the guy singing vocals on "Moonglum" on the Live Chronicles vid? Ta, in advance Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Dec 5 14:31:05 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:31:05 -0500 Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: >> Jerry said: >> >> Joplin died of alcohol - a legal drug... >> >> Hendrix died of sleeping pills - a legal drug... >> >> Hm... > >I doubr they were prescription drugs...At least not prescribed to >JH... I heard that Jimi was partying with some friends on barbs and booze. When he passed out, they neglected to turn him over and left him lying on his back. Subsequently he choked on his own vomit. Martyn From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Dec 5 14:48:06 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 20:48:06 +0100 Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: >And, if you consider how the fans >*didn't* embrace Mirrors, I think my hindsight of having Imaginos done >after SEE would have been a better choice. That's rather unfair, John, because this comes down to comparing Imaginos to Mirrors, which is heresy to me ! *grin* I mean, in my own private universe, Imaginos is the *best* and Mirrors the *worst* BOC ever. Which is kind of interesting. I mean, I think the fans didn't embrace Mirrors for good reasons. It's not so much a question of when the album was released as of the quality of the material within. I do believe Imaginos would have made a huge impressions on the fans had it come out in that period. One reason for this, IMHO, is that we're talking of a period in time when disco music was at its highest peak. Much of Mirrors seems to me very disco-esque. But, as we all know, BOC fans are not really your regular disco fan (though I'm sure many of us don't mind disco, I certainly don't, but let's say the fan wasn't expecting disco from BOC !), whereas an album such as Imaginos would have been like a slap in the face in a time when rock fans highly needed stuff like that. Yes, I also think 79 would have been the perfect year for releasing Imaginos. Okay, now I'll run off in that corner and whine some more on things undone... :-( Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash and more to come...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Dec 5 10:49:56 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:49:56 +0000 Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > > >> Jerry said: > >> >> Joplin died of alcohol - a legal drug... > >> >> Hendrix died of sleeping pills - a legal drug... > >> >> Hm... > > > >I doubr they were prescription drugs...At least not prescribed to > >JH... > > I heard that Jimi was partying with some friends on barbs and > booze. When he passed out, they neglected to turn him over and left > him lying on his back. Subsequently he choked on his own vomit. > > Martyn exactly true. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Dec 5 10:49:20 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:49:20 +0000 Subject: HW: Moonglum Question Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > > I always seem to be asking questions when I post, nowadays but > what the hey. > > Who is the guy singing vocals on "Moonglum" on the Live Chronicles vid? > > Ta, in advance > > Martyn that's huw lloyd,and i miss him! rj From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Dec 5 13:59:19 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 05:59:19 +1100 Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! Message-ID: My own opinion of the Ron Tree/Bob Calvert comparison. I've never seen any similarity between the two people's deilvery of their material. Only recently (ish) did I start to hear people making the comparison. I realy don't have any particular liking for Ron's singing. I do like some of his material, and he seems to be getting better from the looks of Davey's solo album. Calvert, on the other hand, has always impressed be beyond belief. The lyrics of the recent HW stuff has been ok, but nothing compared to Calvert's era. I'd say that Alien4's real strength (in my eyes, at any rate) lies in the atmosphere that the lyrics conjour up for me. Oh, and jolly good music, too. I'd say that the comparison of Tree/Calvert, for me, finaly comes down to their singing styles - Tree's high pitched, acid-influenced images, as opposed to Calvert's new-technology, intelectual, humourous delivery. Well, they're my thoughts, anyway.... -Max Wilcox From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Thu Dec 5 14:01:26 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 06:01:26 +1100 Subject: HW: Moonglum Question Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > > I always seem to be asking questions when I post, nowadays but > what the hey. > > Who is the guy singing vocals on "Moonglum" on the Live Chronicles vid? > > Ta, in advance > > Martyn Isn't it Huw Lloyd Langton? I'm fairly sure it is... -Max Wilcox From reyes at ALUX4.MICRO.LUCENT.COM Thu Dec 5 15:07:43 1996 From: reyes at ALUX4.MICRO.LUCENT.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:07:43 EST Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: > From owner-boc-l at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Thu Dec 5 14:53:49 1996 > X-Sender: artefact at mail2.imaginet.fr > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 > > Yes, I also think 79 would have been the perfect year for releasing Imaginos. > I think you have to consider how long it actually does take to make a magnificent album. I think Mirrors was a throw together quickie just to keep BOC on the one a year plan. Imaginos, i don't think would have been nearly as well done under the the 1979 conditions. RR From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Dec 5 10:47:08 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:47:08 +0000 Subject: BOC: Nazi references... Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > > And of course, the whole thing is being taken out of context by the > public anyway. This was part of Pearlman's mythology, the stuff that > evolved into the Imaginos story. The fact that part of it takes > place in Nazi Germany is just part of the story. > > ME262: Captain Von Ondine > WotT: "by the power that was Undine" > > "undine" is an elemental creature of water. > > It's all tied in, but your average rock journalist isn't going to be > aware of these things, or know anything about the Pearlman mythos, and > just hears what sounds like an anthem for Nazi sympathizers. I don't > doubt that Pearlman knew this, anticipated the public reaction, and > reveled in the controversey and the great cheap publicity it gave to > himself and the band. if he really thinks we're the devil,then lets send him to hell! rj From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Thu Dec 5 15:57:43 1996 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 21:57:43 +0100 Subject: darXtar on ROBERT CALVERT & a EURO-HAWKON Message-ID: hello all, a new entry on the Calvert site has just been uploaded: an extensive text by darXtar's mastermind K. Soren Bengtsson on Calvert's and Hawkwind's influence on the band's music - and more... to be found -as always- on the QUOTES pages / THE WORLD ACCORDING ON CALVERT you'll also find a link there to darXtar's own / new / official homepage - incl. an announcement for a planned EURO-HAWKON - a big appreciation feast planned for the 16th of August 97, near Stockholm - incl. a darXtar gig and much more - keep your eyes open for updates!! best to all of you.... transMedia VideoFest Berlin Mediopolis Berlin e.V. Potsdamer Str. 96 D - 10785 Berlin Germany tel: *30 - 262 8714 fax: *30 - 262 8713 email: videofest at mediopolis.de http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Dec 5 16:58:06 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 08:58:06 +1100 Subject: Alien (4?) Art Message-ID: On 5 Dec 96 at 8:50, Mike Parkington wrote: > Interesting. Where dos this originate from? I found it here: http://zikzak.net/~acb Paul From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Dec 5 17:19:40 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:19:40 -0600 Subject: OFF:Zappa In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Paul Mather wrote: > The double CD _Thing-Fish_ includes a re-working of the track ("The > Torchum' Never Stops"), and that album often gets mixed reviews (on > account of it being a mock-broadway-show-kind-of-thing). I like > _Thing-Fish_, but if you're after that track specifically, you could save > money by buying _Zoot Allures_ (single CD) instead. But the thing is, he *doesn't* have to buy a single CD to save money. Ryko remastered all (most?) of Zappa's albums and put the double LP sets onto one disc each. Therefore, all of those double albums are both placed on one CD and priced accordingly. Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Dec 5 16:26:52 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 16:26:52 -0500 Subject: OFF:Zappa In-Reply-To: from "QUEST" at Dec 5, 96 04:19:40 pm Message-ID: Damon sez-- > > On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Paul Mather wrote: > > The double CD _Thing-Fish_ includes a re-working of the track ("The > > Torchum' Never Stops"), and that album often gets mixed reviews (on > > account of it being a mock-broadway-show-kind-of-thing). I like > > _Thing-Fish_, but if you're after that track specifically, you could save > > money by buying _Zoot Allures_ (single CD) instead. > > But the thing is, he *doesn't* have to buy a single CD to save money. > Ryko remastered all (most?) of Zappa's albums and put the double > LP sets onto one disc each. Therefore, all of those double albums are > both placed on one CD and priced accordingly. Except . . . Thing Fish was THREE LPs, not two. And it is, indeed, on two CDs, not one. Plus, many of the newest Ryko releases are two CDs, in a thin two CD case. Ever pedantic, Guido :-) -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Dec 5 19:32:16 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 01:32:16 +0100 Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: >I think you have to consider how long it actually does take to >make a magnificent album. I think Mirrors was a throw together >quickie just to keep BOC on the one a year plan. Imaginos, >i don't think would have been nearly as well done under the >the 1979 conditions. Quite possibly, yes, but then imagine what it would have been if Imaginos had been released even earlier, after OYFoOYK, as some suggested... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash and more to come...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Thu Dec 5 20:22:30 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (simon) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 01:22:30 GMT Subject: OFF: Harveys In-Reply-To: <32A6EB61.1B8A@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: Reply to William Duffy about Re: OFF: Harveys >Martyn White wrote: >> >> Martin wrote: >> >Les Harvey, guitarist with Stone the Crows and brother of the Sensational >> >Alex, was electrocuted live on stage in Swansea, Wales, in 1972 (I think). >> >> I wasn't aware of this connection. Didn't some ill fate also >> befall Alex Harvey. I remember seeing the sensational Alex Harvey band >> in about '72 with Alex as front man. But a few years later they were >> calling themselves the SAHB band or some sort and he was missing. >> >Alex Harvey died of a heart attack. I think it was on a ship, returning >from a European tour. >SAHB (Without Alex) was the name of the band when Alex went off and made >a documentary album about the Loch Ness Monster. >William In case anybody is interested... The Sensational Alex Harvey Band (That's what they are Still calling themselves!) Are still doing gigs occasionally and have released a live CD. It's basically the Mckenners, Zal and Chris Glenn with a new singer (who's excellent) but doing all the old AH songs. I saw them a while back in Camden, London and they were really good, opening with faithhealer and running through a 90 minute set concluding with (surprise surprise) Delalah. If you get the chance see them. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Dec 5 20:57:15 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 19:57:15 -0600 Subject: OFF:Zappa In-Reply-To: <9612052126.AA16793@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Guido Vacano wrote: > Damon sez-- > > But the thing is, he *doesn't* have to buy a single CD to save money. > > Ryko remastered all (most?) of Zappa's albums and put the double > > LP sets onto one disc each. Therefore, all of those double albums are > > both placed on one CD and priced accordingly. > Except . . . Thing Fish was THREE LPs, not two. And it is, indeed, on two > CDs, not one. Plus, many of the newest Ryko releases are two CDs, in a > thin two CD case. Ah... nevermind. :-) Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Dec 6 00:32:12 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 00:32:12 -0500 Subject: BOC: Vocals (EB, BD, AB), Imaginos, et al Message-ID: >Martin queries: > >Oh, I guess to avoid confusion, I should refer to Albert Bouchard as >"Albert" and not "Al" since people might think "Al" refers to Allen >Lanier's initials. Fine, as long as we don't refer to him as AB. Everyone will think we mean Adrian. From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri Dec 6 02:01:32 1996 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 00:01:32 -0700 Subject: OFF: Alien (4?) Art Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Paul G Ward wrote: > > > I hate sending junk mail to the list, but this is worth looking at: > > > > http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~acb/raytraces/assembly.gif > > That piece looks more inspired by Schwa than _Alien 4_. For more zany > Schwa stuff, have a look at http://www.theschwacorporation.com/ > The individual words making up the Schwa definition take you to all manner > of weirdness and, importantly, to Schwa artwork... I looked-cool stuff! And most definately weird!! > > Do *YOU* have your alien detector handy? Hmm. well it's somewhere around here:) -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Hi! Hope this didn't go twice-I hit something wrong. anyhow- This is cool to look at!!: Paul Mather wrote: > > http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~acb/raytraces/assembly.gif > > That piece looks more inspired by Schwa than _Alien 4_. For more zany > Schwa stuff, have a look at http://www.theschwacorporation.com/ > The individual words making up the Schwa definition take you to all manner > of weirdness and, importantly, to Schwa artwork... Weird-but pretty cool! > > Do *YOU* have your alien detector handy? Haven't found it yet!!:) Well, now to the dumb question: Where, oh where can I FIND LYRICS????? I have these cool HW albums (CD's, Tapes, I'm dating myself again:) ) and am going nuts decifering the lyrics just by listening!! HELP!!! Pleez! I did order "Sonic Blast the other day! Thanx for the help with that folx!! My friend was greatly pleased to see that info!! Thanx again! Keep rockin' Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: Hi Mike Just in case no-one else has answered yet, the Zappa song in question is entitled 'The Torture Never Stops'. It appears in its original form on his album Zoot Allures (1976). It also turns up on the cd release of Zappa in New York (1977). It is a fun track! Martin On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Mike Parkington wrote: > Hi > > Hopefully there are some Zappa aficionados in the group who can help me > with a problem. > > Years ago I used to listen to quite a lot of Zappa but mostly at friends' > houses so where I got to know and to like a lot of Zappa material, I never > really knew the album or track names. > > I was listening to the radio much more recently and the station (I forget > which) played one of my favorite tracks but they never said what the > title/album was. I really want to buy this and add it to my collection. > > The track may well be called Dungeon of Dispair or similar, from what I > remember the lyrics go: > > Flies all green and buzzin in the dungeon of dispair > Prisoners grumble and piss their clothes and scratch their matted hair > A tiny light from a window hole a 100 yards away > Is all they ever get to see of the regular light of the day > And it stinks so bad their bones been chokin....... > > I can't remember much more except for a line about "a sinister midget with > a bucket and a mop where the blood goes down the drain" > > PLEASE, somebody tell me what album this is from & what is the track title. > > Thanks > > Mike P > From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Fri Dec 6 04:01:54 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 09:01:54 -0000 Subject: HW: Moonglum Question Message-ID: Ditto Mike P ---------- From: skarsol[SMTP:skarsol at EROLS.COM] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 1996 03:49 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Moonglum Question Martyn White wrote: > > I always seem to be asking questions when I post, nowadays but > what the hey. > > Who is the guy singing vocals on "Moonglum" on the Live Chronicles vid? > > Ta, in advance > > Martyn that's huw lloyd,and i miss him! rj begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(C<)`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &`#0!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```%$`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!"3T,O2&%W:W=I;F0@ M1&ES8W5S``(P`0````4```!33510`````!X``S !````%P```$)/0RU,0$Q)4U13 M15)6+E-00RY%1%4```,`%0P!`````P#^#P8````>``$P`0```!\````G0D]# M+TAA=VMW:6YD($1I`!X, M`0````4```!33510`````!X`'PP!````$@```&UD<$!T861P;VQE+F-O+G5K M`````P`&$" 7W5H#``<02P$``!X`"! !````90```$1)5%1/34E+15 M+2TM M+2TM+2TM1E)/33I32T%24T],4TU44#I32T%24T],0$523TQ30T]-4T5.5#I4 M2%524T1!62Q$14-%34)%4C U+#$Y.38P,SHT.51/.DU53%1)4$Q%4D4````` M`@$)$ $```!B`@``7@(``'$$``!,6D9U>DX%D?\`"@$/`A4"J 7K`H,`4 +R M"0(`8V@*P'-E=#(W!@`&PP*#,@/%`@!P)S=&5M`H,S=P+D!Q,"@'T* M@ C/"=D[\18/,C4U`H *@0VQ"V#D;FU*2937 at 2% Message-ID: Sorry to have to differ about this, but Thing Fish is definitely NOT the album required. Zoot Allures is the one that features 'The Torture Never Stops' in its full and original glory! Martin On Thu, 5 Dec 1996 shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM wrote: > Mike P asks 'bout Zappa > > Mike - the album you are after is the excellent 'Thing Fish' double cd. Its a concept album, (right on topic with Imaginos :-) ). Also features Steve Vai. > > A must buy. > > Cheers, > Neil. > > ObThingfishtrack 'He's so Gay' > From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Fri Dec 6 04:08:05 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 09:08:05 +0000 Subject: BOC: Vocals (EB, BD, AB), Imaginos, et al In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think the problem is that as soon as a band start using symbols and writing 'mystical' and enigmatic lyrics, then the media latch on to them as Nazis. I can remember reading a review of BOC in the late 80s when they used to play gigs as SWU and the reviewer clearly had not idea who they really were. He made quite a point of slating their 'Neo-Nazi stance'. However, the only evidence he had for this was the BOC symbol. No doubt there are those who are unable to discern that titles such as 'Dominance and Submission', 'The Subhuman', 'Career of Evil', 'Tyranny and Mutation', etc., might be more than just statements of intent. I suppose for a world reared on Phil Collins and Sting this sort of thinking could be quite difficult! Martin On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, haiwhachahaiuh! wrote: > Pete wrote: > > >There's a band history at > >http://www.roughguides.com/RG_WWW/rock/final_rock_entries/BLUE_OYSTER_CULT.html > >that puzzled me when I read the bit about BOC refuting "allegations of > >neo-nazism" around the time of *Secret Treaties*. Have I missed something? > > >From what i remember from either past BOC-L discussion or in other sources > there was a show in which a BOC fan showed up in full Nazi uniform. I > think the Neo-Nazism might also have been due to "ME 262" since it was a > German fighter in > WWII. > > Black Heart of Soul, > Jason > From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Dec 6 04:16:17 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 04:16:17 -0500 Subject: BOC: Bloom Message-ID: On 4-DEC-1996 03:53:17.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >I agree that EB has his good points! And it's nice that so many BOC >fans are ready to jump to his defence, but the mention of the Live 1976 >video/cd does remind me of something that always makes me laugh. EB's >long spiel (during D&S, I think - a favourite, it would seem, for a >chat!) always convulses me with laughter when he starts talking about >speed limits! I know it is a serious point, especially to anyone who >has ever had a speeding ticket, but is it really a subject worthy of a >rock 'rebel'? It's the sort of rebellious comment I would expect >someone like Phil Collins to make! Perhaps he was trying to be funny? >It's a minor point, but I wondered if anyone else found it funny. >Martin I found it hysterical...but I'll admit that I do tend to cheer...especially if I happen to burnin' up the road at the time... Chuck `[1;33;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 6 04:34:30 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 09:34:30 +0000 Subject: OFF slightly : X-Mas plans In-Reply-To: <199611260435.FAA03553@NS.Contrib.Com> Message-ID: Just wondering, what gigs etc. are you lot looking foward to over the festive season, in the absence of any Solstice Hawkwind shows? I'll be at the Orbital New Year's Eve All-Nighter at the Alexandra Palace (8 p.m.- 8 a.m.) and The Jolt X-Mas party at the Twickenham Albany Dec 27th. That's about all the time I slip away for. Don't worry, I'll make the best of it :) On my greedy X-mas list is the Choose Your Masques and Sonic Attack CD's. "Flower Punk"- the 3 x CD complete Seeds box set, the 4 x CD's Pretty Things remastered box set inc. S.F. Sorrow (Traditionally "better than Pepper, man!") and a pick-up for my acoustic guitar. Hopeful , aren't I ? It'll be socks and bath foam again, really. :) and a cure for diabetes, too! (Maybe next year!) -- Jon Browne From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Dec 6 05:30:39 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 05:30:39 -0500 Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: On 5-DEC-1996 15:02:30.0 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >>And, if you consider how the fans >>*didn't* embrace Mirrors, I think my hindsight of having Imaginos done >>after SEE would have been a better choice. >That's rather unfair, John, because this comes down to comparing >Imaginos to Mirrors, which is heresy to me ! *grin* I mean, in my own >private universe, Imaginos is the *best* and Mirrors the *worst* BOC >ever. Which is kind of interesting. I mean, I think the fans didn't >embrace Mirrors for good reasons. It's not so much a question of when >the album was released as of the quality of the material within. I do >believe Imaginos would have made a huge impressions on the fans had it >come out in that period. One reason for this, IMHO, is that we're >talking of a period in time when disco music was at its highest peak. >Much of Mirrors seems to me very disco-esque. Strange, since on a '79 boot, Al sings "3000 guitars they seem to cry my ears will melt disco won't survive" Anyone else catch that one? Chuck `[1;37;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Dec 6 06:10:00 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 11:10:00 UT Subject: BOC: Nazi references... Message-ID: Steve said >It's all tied in, but your average rock journalist isn't going to be >aware of these things, or know anything about the Pearlman mythos, and >just hears what sounds like an anthem for Nazi sympathizers. I don't >doubt that Pearlman knew this, anticipated the public reaction, and >reveled in the controversey and the great cheap publicity it gave to >himself and the band. Dead right - you can't make one of Hitler's secret weapons your tour logo, slap "hooked cross" symbols on the side of it, and then get upset if people jump to conclusions! Don't come the raw prawn! But would the song have been half as cool if it had been called "P-51 Mustang"? BTW, Radio Birdman got the same sort of treatment, and all they did was go around in smart shirts wearing armbands with an emblem on them! - Andy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Dec 6 03:03:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 03:03:00 EST Subject: BRAIN: Rodeo Reprise Message-ID: John mused: >The thing I always liked about "Name Your Monster" as an opener is the way it >starts, with a very light guitar and some subdued drums on the intro, and >then everyone crashing in on those 3 chords, and then Deb belting out the >first verse. Very cool. But, "Gun" is a nice up-tempo song that just >MOVES - with some more raw vocals from Deb to boot. Blame my love for motorcycling, it's not just how fast you go, it's how fast you get to full tilt. Imagine the relative quiet of an announcer going "Welcome the Brain Surgeons" with the band at rest rapidly shifting to loud ripping guitars and pounding drums - just shoves you back in the seat. My first thought was that if this is how it starts, this is going to be a hell of a ride. "Name Your Monster" was the roller coaster climbing the hill before going down, "Gun" starts right at the top with the people screaming. Sort of the inverse of the Trepanation is to BoH relationship for that "era's" live sound to what was at the Rodeo. I saw Zep when they opened with "Immigrant Song." Dark stage, then the guitar kicked in along with the scream before the lights came up. This struck me the same way. Ya gotta love it. > How does "Locked Up" translate live? With Deb's whispered vocals on the CD, I didn't think >this would necessarily translate well in a live show - I would think it would be too subtle. It translated very well. I mentioned that studio is studied and polished while live is pedal to the metal. This is one of the songs I was thinking of for that comment. The vocals were stronger than the recorded version with a great ominous tone during the verses (even a well timed scream in the chorus). The back up harmonies were really fine. Keep in mind too that the band was at full bore this whole time. >>Gimme Nothing >>My Civilization >>Tender Was the Night (plenty of wah wah, Carl) >>Operation Luv (included a tasty drum and bass break) >Nice. After the 2 heavy tunes, we lighten up (just a bit) and pick up >the pace for a big finish. "Operation Luv" is kinda orgasmic and probably >left the crowd a little breathless... You picked one of the great transitions. "My Civilization" ends with a climactic cymbal crash that Al grabs to kill, and as soon as he does that, the wah wah starts for "Tender." >Ooh - now I really wish I was there... I didn't suspect "Overture" >was a candidate for the live set, but I hope it stays in there at least >long enough so that I get to see it live. Was there any monologue by >either Deb or Al before or after this song? (like when they did "Death >Valley Nights" in Boston?) This night was graced by 2 Deb monologues like that, before "Overture" and "Laura's Plastic Swords." Guess who was the butt of the jokes. Actually there was something after "Overture" too, but Deb's sister was the subject of that one. >>Red & Black >Did Billy Hilfiger have to ask the soundman for permission? ;-) This was New York City, they don't need no stinkin' permission. However, Peter B. had to ask what key after Al and Billy started. The Universal Steve groused: >I'm sort of peeved at the chain of events that seems to be conspiring against me, here. I >don't even know what a lot of the songs in the current set list sound >like; I was planning on picking up my copy of _BoH_ at the show! Well, you just have to blame Steve Swann for luck like that, no other force can screw things so completely. Rudy From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Dec 6 07:51:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 07:51:00 -0500 Subject: EURO-HAWKON Message-ID: WOW...... I will actually be living in Copenhagen at this time! This will be great! If I come up for the gig, any chance of someone putting me up for the night near by? Chris Bruce just told me some really wild HW news, but I need to check with him to see if I can devulge it... SCott ObCs- Gov't Mule- Burlington, VT 11/14/96 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 6 05:28:23 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 10:28:23 +0000 Subject: HW: old hat. was:OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! In-Reply-To: <32A6BE25.5967@erols.com> Message-ID: In message <32A6BE25.5967 at erols.com>, skarsol writes >thanks to jon browne >(i think), >for getting it over to us soil.(if it was someone else,who sent it to >bob lennon, >apologies,and thank YOU.) I can't claim credit for that one, rj. Actually, I don't have a copy myself.....guys? BTW the credits to Right Stuff on the original Capt. Lockheed LP are "All words by Calvert. All music by Calvert apart from Widow Maker (Brock) and The Song Of The Gremlin (Adrian Wagner, Arthur Brown). Make of that what you will. -- Jon Browne From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Fri Dec 6 09:19:55 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 14:19:55 +0000 Subject: BOC: Vocals (EB, BD, AB), Imaginos, et al In-Reply-To: <01ICM6BSC78Y8WXPFY@jazz.ucc.uno.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Dec 1996 AJBEE at jazz.ucc.uno.edu wrote: > OK, I just read it, it isn't the full article, but it > is 49 pages long and has some stuff in it that isn't > in the Goldmine article ... > The URL is www.krause.com/goldmine > Look under Back Issues. I was disappointed not to see the 'Godzilla head' photo, as I only have a photocopy of the article (thanks to Manuel). If anyone has a .gif of this, please could they e-mail me a copy? Cheers - Mike Godwin (M.R.Godwin at bath.ac.uk) From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 6 10:29:08 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 15:29:08 GMT Subject: HW: Lyrics for LSD In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:53:42 -0500 Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > Since the lyrics for the track LSD are being discussed, I > checked my HW lyrics file and I do not have them. In my index, there is > Lost Johnny followed by Magnu with no LSD in between. I must have an > out-of-date version, I think, so I go to the WWW.... > no HW lyrics archive to be found. > > So, did I miss a site or have lyric files been withdrawn from the web > because of some copyright reason? > > Whichever, could someone post/private email me the lyrics for LSD > > Thanks > > Martyn > > "If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space" Last Revision 22/6/96 ===================== 5/4 25 Years Abducted A Day In The Office Adjust Me The Aerospaceage Inferno Alien (I Am) Angels of Death Angel Voices Are You Losing Your Mind? Arrival in Utopia Assault and Battery Astronauts The Awakening Back in the Box Back On The Streets Beam Me Up The Beast of Chaos Be Yourself Black Corridor Black Elk Speaks Blue Skin Born to Go Brainbox Pollution Brainstorm Bring It On Home Came Home The Changing Children of the Sun Choose Your Masks [2 versions] Chronicle of The Black Sword Coded Languages Coleridge On The Enterprise Confrontation Cymbaline Damage of Life Damnation Alley Damned By The Curse of Man Dangerous Visions The Dark Lords Days of the Underground Dead God's Homecoming Dealin' with the Devil Death of War Death Trap The Demented Man The Demise Disintegration Down through the Night Dragons and Fables Dragon Song Dreaming City Dream Worker D-Rider Dust of Time Dying Deas Earthed to the Ground The Earth Ritual Ejection Elric the Enchanter Elric the Enchanter Part II Experiment with Destiny [see Virgin of the World] Fable of a Failed Race Fahrenheit 451 Fall of Earth City Festivals Fifth Second of Forever The Final Fight First Landing on Medusa Flying Doctor Free Fall Gaga Gimme Shelter The Golden Void Good Evening Green Finned Demon Hades Deep Hassan I Sabha Hawkwind Heads High Rise Hi Tech Cities Horn of Destiny (Fate) Hurry On Sundown I'm Waiting For The Man Images Infinity In the Egg In the Office Into the Realms It's So Easy Jack of Shadows Joker at the Gate The Joker of the Universe Kadu Flyer Kapal Kerb Crawler Kings of Speed Land of Inspirations Levitation Lighthouse Living on a Knife Edge Looking in the Future Lord of Light Lords of Chaos Lost Chances Lost Johnny Love In Space L.S.D. Magnu Make What You Can Mark of Cain Mask of Morning Master of the Universe Messengers of Morpheus Micro Man Mirror of Illusion Moonglum Motherless Children Motorhead Motorway City Mutation Zone My Armour's Killing Me Narration I Narration II [Elric the Enchanter Pt1] Needle Gun Neon Skyline New Jerusalem Night of the Hawk Note From a Cold Planet Now is the Winter of Our Discontent Nuclear Drive Nuclear Toy Ode To A Crystal Set Ode to a Timeflower On the Case The Only Ones (Only) the Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid Orgone Accumulator Oscillations Out of the Shadows Over the Top Paradox The Phenomenon of Luminosity Processed Psi Power Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke) Psychosis PsychoSonia PXR5 Quark, Strangeness and Charm Rambo In Space Reefer Madness The Right Stuff Right To Decide Robot Rocky Paths Running Through the Backbrain Sadness Runs Deep The Sea King Secret Agent Seven By Seven Shot Down in the Night Silver Machine Sleep of a Thousand Tears Social Alliance Solitary Mind Games Song of the Swords Sonic Attack Space is Deep Space Travellers Spirit of the Age Sputnik Stan Standing at the Edge Star Cannibal Starflight Steppenwolf Streets of Fear Sweet Mistress of Pain Sweet Obsession Sword of the East Technicians of Spaceship Earth Ten Seconds of Forever The Timeship Will Not sail Again They've Got Your Number Time For Sale Time We Left (This World today) Transdimensional Man Treadmill TV Suicide Uncle Sam's on Mars Urban Guerilla Utopia '84 Valium Ten Virgin of the World [2 versions] Void City Waiting for Nati Waiting for Tomorrow The War I Survived Warrior on the Edge of Time Warriors Wastelands of Sleep The Watcher Watching the Grass Grow We Took the Wrong Step Web Weaver Welcome to the Future The Welcoming Hands of Space Where Are They Now? When the Going Gets Tough Who's Gonna Win the War Wings The Wizard Blew His Horn Words of a Song Xenomorph You Know You're Only Dreaming You Shouldn't Do That You'd Better Believe It Your Secret's Safe With Me Zarozinia (Unknown Track) { } indicates original lyrics not included when used on the Live Chronicles albums _________________________________________________________________________ 5/4 === I can feel it My mind is going I can feel it I can feel it My mind is going I can feel it There's no question about it My mind is going I can feel it Oh no, my mind is going..... ________________________________________________________________________ 25 YEARS ( - Brock - ) I went to school and I studied and I got my G.C.E. My City and Guilds and my Sky Diary But it didn't do me no good They didn't like my looks I burnt my books Spent 25 years doesn't matter anymore Stand around the streets And lie around the floor Looking at the sky I watch the world go by I started out one day and I worked in a factory My mind went blank I needed a battery Didn't do no good I got the sack, my work was slack They said there's life up there in the galaxy The world in collision There's people with an allergy 25 years of, 25 years of, 25 years of social research Spent 25 years doesn't matter anymore Stand around the streets And lie around the floor Looking at the sky I watch the world go by 25 years, 25 years ____________________________________________________________________________ Abducted ======== On board the craft I noticed a lot of electrical ceiling lights Like the lines in the human brain. There are windows or screen areas all around the ship They're like a two-way mirror - a kind of projection place It is as if these windows creens are made of a combination of metal crystal or mirror glass I see a cloudscape or landscape on suspended plastic sheets. I noticed slanted surfaces on the tops of machines with instruments or panels. Small creatures are busily moving around. They are seated at the controls at the base of the slanted walls. Robot-like creatures with large black eyes that appear to have reptilian or insectile facial qualities. I don't have any problem facing the little ones. they are so blissful The the ugly ones scare and repulse me. It's like the lava inside the leather face skin of a hard dark scary machine. The reptile faced insect bodied robots They are being brought forth to perform specific functions... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Day In The Office =================== I pay my stamps and I pay my tax I daren't stop working and that's a fact And all I see on the TV screens Are starving kids and war machines Is this what I've been taught in school? Is education the golden rule? ___________________________________________________________________________ Adjust Me ========= City black, encase the time World full of men, who all are blind Who walk and talk and say as one: "Androids are we", heir to no son Adjust me Adjust me Adjust me..... ___________________________________________________________________________ The Aerospaceage Inferno ======================== A flight of steel eagles tearing by The ripped silk screaming of the rended sky Flame on through sound and make time fly What a good way to go.... What a good way to go In the aerospaceage.......inferno Fly through the ground like a circus hound Through the burning hoop in just one bound So not even your ashes will be found What a good way to go.... What a good way to go In the aerospaceage.......inferno Set the controls for the heart of the Earth The silver machine's worth more than you're worth But the phoenix soul is bound for rebirth What a good way to go.... What a good way to go In the aerospaceage.......inferno ___________________________________________________________________________ Alien (I Am) ============ "What kind of receiver would be capable of processing these signals?" "A system designed to modify the electromagnetic spectrum and carry those messages directly to the human brain" Squatting in your bodies Microscopic breeding I sleep in you And eat from within I am The Alien We are here to help you Make the mend In the chemical bend We are The Aliens I lack emotion, have no love that I can find I want some devotion to ease a worried mind The heart is softened the soul is scorched The mind erodes away some sentimental thoughts The window cracked is closed The door slams shut The lights put out, say no more speak no less For you I become the alien I am For you I become the alien I am The cry primal is muffled The mouth seals tight The eye looks within Say no more speak no less I the alien reject your human touch This is Alien Control calling spaceship Earth Alien Control calling Earth. Are you receiving Earth? Are you receiving... We are the Aliens. We have warned you about the DANGER -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ANGELS OF DEATH ( - Brock - ) We're angels of life, we're angels of death We were born to blaze a nuclear way through space A way out of the waste that held the human race We're angels of life, we're angels of death We are the dead who are never led We are the warriors at the edge of time We lurk inside your brain, we hide inside your mind We're angels of life, we're angels of death We stalk the city streets to kill all we meet Nostrils flare awhile, it makes you want to smile We're born to erase, all of your days _________________________________________________________________________ Angel Voices ============ Final adjustment to timing sequences for the master control system Main engine check Proton drive unit: PDU meter reads level Linear acceleration module: LAM meter reads level Crystal absorption unit: CAU meter reads level Vector thrust module: VTM meter reads level Vector Activity: Vector activity reading is on scope at minus oh two one point seven Readjustment recommended Vector activity reading level Flight deck computer check complete Passenger module computer check: Dream Sequencing - functions activated. ____________________________________________________________________________ Are You Losing Your Mind? ========================= Watching TV. Walking down the street I realised I had a problem A big problem in my mind I had to get the problem out of my mind I realised I had a - Silicon chip In my head I had a Silicon chip In my head Ah. I'm losing my mind control I'm losing my mind Are you losing your mind? Mind control Mind control -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arrival In Utopia ================= We dreamed of golden shining towers Of lazy days and thrilling hours Fields of wonder, streets so fair Of amber ships which sailed, through the air Dreamed of steel and glass and wire Of days of wine and nights of fire Dreamt of dogs that talked like boys Of girls who flew, of unnamed joys And now our dreams are true We don't know what to do For we don't like it here There's nothing for us to fear Bored mindless in Utopia ________________________________________________________________________ ASSAULT AND BATTERY ( - Brock - ) Lives of great men all remind us We may make our lives sublime And departing leave behind us Footprints in the sands of time Of hewn stones the sacred circle Where the wizened sages sat Let us try to remember All the times where they were at. So your thoughts they were expecting Assault and battery of the human anatomy Assault and battery of the human anatomy {Man} _________________________________________________________________________ Astronauts ========== The Astronauts are here on Earth Their spaceship is an armoured car In a landscape increasingly lunar I've seen them on the Northern Sands With geiger counters in their hands Their movements slowed by gravity And bureaucratic necessity How the minds within the helmets Must be filled with sad regrets For the days of weightlessness A heady time before ballistics And falsification of field statistics Imagination leads us on It's one small step for the likes of me And yet in fickle reality The first space age has come and gone We reached a psychic barrier A hand Maybe a mirror Which told us "go no further" Besides, considerations fiscal So swiftly severed our umbilical We turned our backs on galaxies We changed NASA priorities To fit in with the military's Launching Star Wars technology Co-existent with satellite TV We follow the lead of Hollywood Tail firmly wagging the dog You and I are parasites We have the anti-Midas touch Turning everything to dust We are the poisons and disease There is no magic cure for these Boxed deposits in sea and soil Outlast Humankind itself Like cats we bury our detritus We've brought the craters back home with us And the astronauts are here on Earth --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Awakening ============= I would rather the fire storms of atmospheres Than this cruel descent from a thousand years of dreams, into the starkness of the capsule. Where two of our crew still lay suspended cool in their tombs of sleep. Those nagging choirs of memory the tubes and wires worming from their flesh to machinery I would have to cut Such midwifery is but one function of the leader here Floating in a sac of fluid dark A clear century of space Away from Earth While one man stirs from the trauma of his birth Attending to the hypno-tapes Assuring him that this was reality however grim Our journey's end Landing itself was nothing We touched upon a shelf of rock selected by the automind And left a galaxy of dreams behind..... ______________________________________________________________________ Back in the Box =============== Back in the box, shut in the dark Falling apart Digging the dirt Hiding the hurt Locked in a dream What does it mean? Shut in the box Too many locks Back in the box, back in the box Back in the box, back in the box Counting down Twisting round See behind your back Counting down Twisting round See behind your back ....behind your back [ x 7 ] Locked in dreams What does it mean? Shut in a box There's too many locks Shut in a box There's too many locks Round and round Round and round and round I see you Hanging there Switch on the TV, look at the screen Money for a Rolls or a washing machine You pay your money and you pay your rent Every day it's always spent Maybe it starts to be the same You look out your window and it starts to rain Someone is saying it's time to die Send us some money and I'll tell you why I pay my stamps and I pay my tax I daren't stop working and that's a fact But all I see on the TV screen Is starving kids and war machines Is this what i've been taught in school? Is education the golden rule? the golden rule the golden rule....... Back in the box Back in the box Back in the box Back in the box -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Back on the Streets =================== I took a ride in an elevator, I was heading for the 99th floor In less than just a split-second later, I was standing right outside of her door She looked kinda mean on her video screen And she said "Come in and please take a seat" That's when I was Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Again Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Again A businessman had said sign his contract to make you a supernova exploding star The galaxies will shake with your impact You'll make everything on Earth a bazaar Just sign on this line And drink up your wine The Universe is in for a treat That's when I'm Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Again Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Back on the Streets Again Feel the concrete under my feet I'm freer than a cheetah, man Back on the Streets Again ________________________________________________________________________ Beam Me Up ========== Supernatural. Biological. Transluscent glaze. Night Spirit. The Folding Eye. Free my soul Supernatural. Extra Terrestrial. Supernatural. Extra Terrestrial Beam Me Up. I'm being beamed up. Now. "The fusion bomb was invented in 1934 but we didn't see it until 1945" Hiroshima. Nagasaki. The fusion bomb, the future bomb. Is always wrong. The neutron bomb. Monitored by the alien control satellites. We have holographic images showing the destruction of the World. I thought it was a dream but then I wasn't in bed A fractured dream Through the broken screen Projected. Injected Into my head Under the skin Inside my mind Through the golden stream of time Into my mind Through the golden stream of time I'm being beamed. Up. Now. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Beast of Chaos ================== The Beast of Chaos has no shape of its own The Beast of Chaos has no identity It's form is ever changing It can be a rising tower with a thousand eyes Whose gaze can turn the world to stone It can fart a battery of sound Like cannons aimed at Heaven Belching fumes of industrious flak It swallows them at morning And spews them out at evening Wasted and pale It feeds on their time The Beast of Chaos has no soul of its own The Beast of Chaos has no conscience Its change is ever forming It can pass like a flight of steel eagles With claws of fire Or trample the Earth to dust With monstrous millions of iron feet It can dehydrate the oceans with its breath It can crumple the sky with its palms It can blot out the Sun It can black out the stars The Beast of Chaos comes from nowhere And leaves nothing behind The Beast of Chaos has no soul of its own The Beast of Chaos has no conscience Its form is ever changing ______________________________________________________________________ BE YOURSELF ( - Brock - ) Be yourself, see yourself I can see others like me Be yourself, see yourself Try and find peace of mind Be yourself, see yourself Be yourself, see yourself I can't find peace of mind Be yourself, see yourself I can see others like me _________________________________________________________________________ BLACK CORRIDOR ( - Moorcock - ) Space is infinite, it is dark Space is neutral, it is cold Stars occupy minute areas of space They are clustered a few billion here And a few billion there As if seeking consolation in numbers Space does not care, space does not threaten Space does not comfort It does not sleep, it does not wake It does not dream It does not hope, it does not fear It does not love, it does not hate It does not encourage any of these qualities Space cannot be measured, it cannot be angered, it cannot be placated It cannot be summed up, space is there Space is not large and it is not small It does not live and it does not die It does not offer truth and neither does it lie Space is a remorseless, senseless, impersonal fact Space is the absence of time and of matter ____________________________________________________________________________ BLACK ELK SPEAKS ================ ( - Brock/Black Elk - ) Grandfather, Great Mysterious One, you have been always, and before you nothing has been. There is nothing to pray to but you. The star nations all over the universe are yours. And yours are the grasses of the earth. Day in Day out, you are the light of things. You are older than all weeds. Older than all things on Earth. Grandfather, all over the world the faces of living ones are alike. In tenderness they have come above the ground. Look upon your children with children in their arms, that they may face the winds and walk the good road to the day of quiet. Teach me to walk the soft earth, a relative to all that lives! Sweeten my heart and fill me with light. Give me the strength to understand, and the eyes to see. Help me for without you I am nothing. Hetchetu aloh! In your throat is a living song A living spirit song His name is long life maker Yes, I'm here to heal With the healing ways Of the magic of the ground And the magic of the earth So go on my friend And sing with the healing spirit With the magic of the ground With the magic of the earth You look back over your life Through the power of the words Through the magic of the ground Through the magic of the earth ________________________________________________________________________ Blue Skin ========= No ballpoint pen No type set in The ultrasonic tapping machine Take control. Takes control Issues its command Clicking and clattering into the black Indian ink of night. Heiroglyphic ancient scrawl Dot to dot I'm bleeding for you Bleeding for you My blood is blue Penetration stainless steel Surgically screened The needle machine Slice the flesh like the Teko-Teko's stare Cut statistics on my face, on my face Name, Age, Place of Birth, Race Village and tribe, Carve deeply Erase doubt as to who I am As to who I am Who I am Who I am Prick, prick, ow Transfer inscribed Images of sweet roses red Blood drips Blood drips The emporium The tattoo hole in my skin Drains the blood Pain -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BORN TO GO ( - Brock - Calvert - ) We were born to go, we're never turning back We were born to go, and leave a burning track We were born to go, and leave no star unturned We were born to grow, we were born to learn We're breaking out of the shell, we're breaking free We're hatching our dreams into reality We were born to blaze a new clear way through space A way out of the maze, that held the human race We were born to go, as far as we can find We were born to go, to blow the human mind _______________________________________________________________________ BRAINBOX POLLUTION ( - Brock - ) Well my body's burning up And I'm feeling so bad And I think it must be something that I've just had Screaming sounds are buzzing through my brain Am I mad or am I sane? I can't control my body anymore It's reaching down into the very core I've gotta find a way of solving the solution Is this what they call brainbox pollution? Take my hand, I'll lead you on To learn so far, my dreams your own Is this world that we all find It's leaving us so far behind ________________________________________________________________________ BRAINSTORM ( - Turner - ) Standing on the runway waiting for takeoff, I wanna fly, wanna watch me flake off, I can't move 'cause the man has a rake off, you gotta help me, help me to shake off, This body of mine, I wanna get out of this void, This body of mine, and I don't wanna be destroyed, this body of mine, I don't wanna turn android, This body of mine, you gotta help me avoid that, Brainstorm, here I go, Brainstorm, flying low Brianstorm, I wanna miss it, Brianstorm, you'd bet I'd kiss it, this body goodbye. I can't get no peace until I get into motion, Sign my release from this planet's erosion, Paranoia police have sussed out my potion, You gotta help me or there'll be an explosion in this body of mine, I wanna get out of this void, this body of mine, and I don't wanna be destroyed, this body of mine, I don't wanna turn android, this body of mine, you gotta help me avoid that, Brainstorm, here I go, Brainstorm, flying low Brianstorm, I wanna miss it, Brianstorm, you'd bet I'd kiss it, this body goodbye. ______________________________________________________________________ Bring It On Home ================ Well, I bought my ticket And I got my load And the conductor yelled Now all aboard Well, I take my seat And I sit right back And I watch That train go down the tracks Said Baby I said Baby Gonna Bring It on Home Now Gonna Bring It on Home Now Gonna Bring It on Home Now _________________________________________________________________________ Came Home ========= Well I came home the other night I thought I had a bride Had a big fat momma layin' on the floor Sayin' look here daddy dun' treat me right The situation was, as I recall Lookin' pretty bad Look here Momma, you know, I say Your the bestest woman that I ever had She lay on the bed, and turned on her head I didn't know if I was 'live or dead Cause I said Momma, try some o' this stuff Well she opened her mouth and popped one in She said Oh Daddy you know what I mean I can't help nothin' but see what's on my mind __________________________________________________________________________ The Changing ============ I will adjust this thing in here.. We're gonna change you Rearrange you We're gonna change you Rearrange you We're gonna change you Rearrange you............. Now you must be me Our system's fine, we'll soon see You'll have no cause to worry now Just play your part in the show _________________________________________________________________________ CHILDREN OF THE SUN ( - Turner - Anderson - ) The golden age of the future comes That which was dreamed of in the past Where freedom reigns on minds of peace Minds rich in wisdom to the last We are the children of the sun and this is our inheritance No longer chaos and confusion But love and laughter Song and dance _________________________________________________________________________ Choose Your Masks ================= They're handing out the weapons And your armour's ready too But the most important item Has been left up to you You must make a firm decision And once it's made you'll find That the form that you have chosen Can entirely fill your mind For the mask you have selected Stands for Chaos or for Law And you cannot take it off now 'til you're no longer in the War And the Masks of War are grinning And from under them you howl Out the slogans of the part you play for the Battle's starting now Choose your Masks The ranks are forming Choose your Masks The day is dawning Choose your Masks And choose the side that you'll be on And learn the words of your new song For the Battle will be long.....so long........ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Choose Your Masks [incl Fight Sequence from Live Chronicles] ================= They're handing out the weapons And your armour's ready too But the most important item Has been lift up to you You must make a firm decision And once it's made you'll find That the role that you have chosen Will entirely fill your mind So choose your Masks Choose the side that you'll be on Learn the words of your new song For the journey will be long Over poisoned crystal deserts Where the ruined towers shout In our mirrored flashing armour In our secret, hideous helms Death to life and Death to earth Death to fire, Death to death Death to death Death to death Death to death Death to life and death to anger Death to sadness On dead horses our dead warriors Seek the last retreats of life The last retreats of life Seek the last retreats of life _________________________________________________________________________ Chronicle of The Black Sword (Moorcock) ======================================= Now begins the tale of Elric proud prince of ruins who bore The Black Sword... Here is the Chronicle of that albino lord Who came to be called The White Wolf Who was called The Kinslayer Who was called Womanslayer Who was doomed to be torn between Chaos and Law Who was born to be the pawn of the Cosmic Balance Who was at once, more his own master than any who had lived before And was at the same time slave to bloodshed, cruelty, and war Listen, listen now.... Listen to the tale of how the White Wolf came by his Weird Listen to how Elric earned The Bane of The Black Sword Elric of Melnibone The Sailor on the Seas of Fate Elric Who battled to bring about the End Of Time Elric Who bore the sentient sword Stormbringer And who killed the only two mortal women he ever loved This is his sad, his terrible Aye, and his heroic Saga The Saga men call The Chronicle of The Black Sword..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Coded Languages (Bainbridge, Moorcock) --------------- Investigate the meaning of your sentence What is it telling you ? Where does it begin and where does it end ? Question the nature of your orders Question the nature of your orders Question the nature of your orders What do they want from you ? A rendezvous upon the sound The cars rev up the word goes round Their words are weapons of their will Their words can hurt Their words can kill A burning phrase can burn a town A syllable can bring you down Their languages are coded Your image is eroded Listen to the sound you heard Learn to fight against their word Vocabularies of death Destruction in their breath They use the lie They use the myth Seek only to confuse And liberty abuse The lies they tell are pretty And blow up another city They steal away your freedom And your love Their sentimental calling signs Are calculatingly designed To rob you of your mind and time And still you listen to The lulling drone of reassuring voices Tunes to take away your choices Make you slaves to fancy words and phrases Until you're pushing up the daisies They steal away your freedom and your love _________________________________________________________________________ Coleridge On The Enterprise =========================== One day the Vulcan dropped some speed And from his post on the battered bridge Proclaimed "My dear Captain Coleridge It seems to me that what we need Is less astrophysics And more metaphysics I've heard the music of the spheres And now my captain it appears The true space is between my ears." Such sentiments overturned the common notion That he was pure science without emotion And when our destiny loomed on the screen - Lush Xanadu the final goal - Our Vulcan had become a human being, Had switched off the computer in his soul, And somewhat softened his heart of granite To be so thrilled by landfall on the planet And I am the captain of this ship And I am very happy. This Captain's Log reminds me of how once we were Moral adventurers in a decadent universe Crusading for freedom By stamping out content Boldly going Boldly doing On our warped way we went. Enterprising sentinels Crashing through the asteroid belts Offering help and death knells To settlers, aliens, and infidels But now our starry fighter is disarmed, The Sun is warm The herbs have our heads encharmed. Life is an ion storm And I a spacefaring mariner becalmed Endlessly circling the jolly green planet Bereft of all logistical logic And I am the captain of the ship And I am very happy There's no right in might or imposing force And freedom is the albatross. Now sensual bliss Is our greatest wish No matter how we attain it In this swiftly decaying orbit. So we're beaming down to the jolly green giant And I am the captain of this ship And I am very happy The grass it grows between my toes The roots twirl round my feet The galaxies are opium seeds As rhyme and reason leaks through my cerebral sieve I start to question all I once believed Like the glorious Fundamentals of Apha Three And the valiant Constitution of the U.S.A. In fact I've lost all interest in fair play I'd rather sit and smoke and toke all day. So I offer a V-sign to the Federation 'cause I'm not shooting up to the Constellation But to complete sensory satiation, Beaming down to the jolly green planet, Pressing the pause button on this transcript... And I am the captain of the ship And I am very happy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Confrontation ============= I AM NOT INTERESTED IN ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY During 1985 the activities of alternative groups such as the "Peace Convoy" posed a number of serious public order problems for the Police. In particular a violent confrontation took place at Hardcastle, Wiltshire on Sunday 1st June when a convoy of 170 vehicles was being driven towards Stonehenge at the time of the summer solstice celebrations, in clear defiance of injunctions which were in force. When the hippies were stopped, by a roadblock, from proceeding further, they entered a nearby village where a violent confrontation with the Police took place and 420 persons were arrested. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY "It is clear to me that the problem is not going to go away. Nor do I believe it is going to be solved by the approach of `Shoot them, gas them, and send them back to the cities where they came from.'" ANYTHING YOU SAY WILL BE TAKEN DOWN AND USED IN EVIDENCE AGAINST YOU _____________________________________________________________________________ Cymbaline ========= The path you tread is narrow and the drop is sheer and very high Ravens are all watching from a vantage point nearby Apprehension creeping like a tubetrain up your spine Will the tightrope reach the end? Will the final couplet rhyme? And it's high time, Cymbaline. High time Cymbaline Please wake me. Butterfly with broken wings has fallen by your side Ravens all are closing in, there's nowhere you can hide Your manager and agent are both busy on the phone Selling coloured photographs to magazines back home And it's high time, Cymbaline. High time, Cymbaline. Please wake me. Lines converging waves and they must have moved the picture frame Leaves are heavy round your feet, you hear the thunder of the train Suddenly it strikes you that they're moving into range And Dr. Strange is always changing sides And it's high time, Cymbaline. High time, Cymbaline Please wake me. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Damage of Life ============== I wander around the streets so lonely and empty Lost in a crowd, but I can't hide Is there a place where I can escape to? A desert island where I can die The Damage of Life is never ending There's no escape and we can't hide Maybe our time is up, but we don't want to Face up to facts, but live this lie Can't you see the pain tattooed on faces Cracks appearing on a broken plate Mirror, Oh Mirror is there any answer? But the mirror drops smashing our fate __________________________________________________________________________ DAMNATION ALLEY ( - Brock - Calvert - House - ) I've got the serum and I'm going to take it All the way to Boston, oh I've got to get through The going won't be easy, but I'm going to make it It's the only thing that I'm cut out to do Ride the post-atomic radioactive trash The sky's on fire from that nuclear flash Diving through the burning hoop of doom in an eight wheeled anti-radiation tomb Thank you Dr. Strangelove for going do-lally and leaving me the heritage of Damnation Alley, Damnation Alleyway No more Arizona, now Phoenix is fried up Oklahoma City what a pity it's gone Louisiana delta where the Mississip's dried up No more Chatanooga, Cherokee, Lexington Radiation wasteland, radiation wasteland Ashes coming at me now, craters coming at me now Radiation wasteland, I've got my anti-radiation machine Thank you Dr. Strangelove, I said thank you Dr. Strangelove For giving me the ashes and post-atomic dust The sky is raining fishes it's a mutation zoo Going down Damnation Alley, well good luck to you Good luck to you now Armor plated angel, motor-pony express Armor plated angel, motor-pony express Going down Damnation Alley it's one hell of a mess ___________________________________________________________________________ Damned By The Curse of Man ========================== We have despoiled our land and our women are dishonoured With our weapons we have melted every gateway to salvation We thought ourselves safe in our armour and our masks And so we saved ourselves, it's true, for our damnation We're damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man We refused to hear the outrage of reason's daughters The anger of unwarlike sons which crossed our waters The pleadings of the innocents, the moral arguments To moderation, generosity, kindness and consent We're damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man We raised a genocidal flag, imperial and boastful flag Raised a standard of contempt, and mounted on a boney nag, Became the herald of apocalypse, the enemies of women; The vicious harvesters of souls; Death's chuckling children We're damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man damned by the Curse of Man........ In our warlike swaggering and our childish rage We robbed ourselves of liberty, and built the cage In which we're hemmed, condemned, forever damned For violence is the curse of man And now we're damned by the curse of man Forever damned by the curse of man The curse of man...... _________________________________________________________________________ Dangerous Visions ================= Night sky on city Keeps us in Life signs of pity weep with sin Games of reality are hard to win The child of the Third World looks so thin Dangerous visions, taunt me Ancient memories, haunt me Future decisions, confuse me The story so far just eludes me The man on the pavement catches your eye You look in amazement, he's decided to die The crowd have engagements, they're just passing by The child of the Third World, is wondering why ________________________________________________________________________ The Dark Lords ============== I have turned Zarozinia into a giant slug, Elric You will no longer mate with woman like her We will have the Sword from you Elric One way or the other, it makes no difference Look at him scurry backwards and forwards The poor little wretch does not know which way to turn Ah we've really got him this time. Zarozinia has been turned into a worm, ha, a slithering worm Your spells are no good now You will give us Stormbringer Go on Elric, look in your Law books, You will find that we are right You will find that you have to give it to us _____________________________________________________________________________ DAYS OF THE UNDERGROUND ( - Brock - Calvert - Shaw - ) In visions of acid we saw through delusion and brainbox pollution, we knew we were right. The streets were our oyster, we smoked urban poison and we turned all this noise on, we knew how to fight. We dropped out and tuned in, spoke secret jargon and we would not bargain for what we had found in the days of the underground. We believed in Guevera, we saw that head held up and our anger welled up, but we kept it cool. No need for machine guns 'cause the system was crumbling, our leaders were fumbling, while we broke every rule. We saw them on T.V. they'd blown their cover and we tried to smother their voices with sound, in the days of the underground. Whatever happened to those chromium heroes, are there none of them still left around, since the days of the underground? Now we can look back at the heroes we were then, we made quite a stir with our sonic attack, street-fighting dancers, the assassins of silence, with make-believe violence, on a hundred watt stack. They offered us contracts, we said "we don't need 'em", we'll just take our freedom and will not be bound in the days of the underground. And some of us made it but not smiling Michael, his black motorcycle got eaten by rust. And John the Bog dreamt that he slept at the wheel, but when he woke it was real, too late to have sussed. And Jeff was a poet who wrote with a spray can on walls, saying "Hey man, I believe that we've drowned" in the days of the underground. __________________________________________________________________________ Dead God's Homecoming (Moorcock) ================================ You raise your eyes to the howling sky Raise your sword to the haunted Moon You raise your voice in a battle cry And you raise your shield You raise your shield Against unholy doom For they shan't possess your will's control Shall not enslave your mortal soul And won't divert you from your goal Though dark war rules from pole to pole You are the Lord of Ruins Albino Prince of Ruins And your sins shall save the world Beyond the ocean brews a battle Beyond the battle blood shall fall If Elric's kinsman ventures with him (Bearing a twin of that which he bears) To a place where man-forsaken Dwells the one who should not live There's a bargain to be entered.... Elric's wife shall be restored Elric's wife shall be restored -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dealing with the Devil ====================== Now, my baby got excited about a little ring But our marriage didn't mean a thing I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil My baby, she doesn't love me no more I got the meanest woman man has ever seen She sleeps with a knife in her hand Lord, she fights all in her dreams I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil My baby, she doesn't want me no more Now I ain't going down ain't by myself If I can't take you girl, I'll take someone else I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil I've been dealing with the devil My baby, she doesn't want me no more --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Death of War ============ Ebbing eyesight in chlorine clouds stealing away barbed wire shrouds mowed down in mud by machine gun fire trapped and strangled in barbed wire silent nights smashed as big guns fill bodies full of shrapnel in their crusade to kill Far away, politicians, glasses of port meet in a toast to a war they've not fought Holy fire directed and idly discussed manufacturing hatred, engineering distrust trading clarity for confusion, the ruthless powerlust. Only one thing in common do leaders share with those on the battlefield fallen down everywhere and that is their wine, has good body and it is red draining away forever like the blood of those dead. ________________________________________________________________________ DEATH TRAP ( - Brock - Calvert - ) In the back of my neck I can feel a strange sensation Feels like I'm heading for the crisis of all creation Only those with death wish understand my situation Feels like Jesus Christ heading for the stations of the cross, in my death trap, death trap Running in my death trap, death trap Chicken running in my death trap, death trap Cruising for the crossroads of fiery crucifixion Lighting up the night sky with bitterness distinction While I hold the wheel of fate, smell of burning friction I feel like a hero heading for extinction It's the shell of steel or plastic Monkey on elastic, going up and down Crank shaft cracking up Oil pressure going down Brake drums blowing out Tyres on fire now Differential seize up, unbalanced cam shaft Worn out pistons rings, brake fade, brake fade hydraulic leak out, radiator overheat Monkey on elastic, going up and down Shell of steel or plastic, turning round Shell of steel or plastic Monkey on elastic, going up and down __________________________________________________________________________ THE DEMENTED MAN ( - Brock - ) The questions asked but never known, The feeling, god knows which way you'll go Endless circles on my mind spiralling a downward climb Which way I'll go. The thoughts are there for you to find, but you never know which way you'll go Those flashing lights are warning me But ever bidding voices see You're caught in a web of emptiness The tales told the path you tread Does it lead into your head? Or back to a world of emptiness? Smiling faces watching me Helping hands just wait and see Which way I'll go White walls stretching in the sun Was it here that I began? Which way I'll go Faintly voices plead with me, ever asking ever see which way I'll go. _____________________________________________________________________________ THE DEMISE (see Lords of Chaos) Arioch I summon thee Lord of the Seven Darks Arioch I summon thee Put fire in my heart Arioch I summon thee Can you hear my plea Arioch I summon thee In my hour of need - I am here. What dost thou wishest? _________________________________________________________________________ Disintegration (Brock) -------------- Is this the time gone before Is this the way ? No I'm not sure Can I stop is it too late Is this the place where I disintegrate _________________________________________________________________________ DOWN THROUGH THE NIGHT ( - Brock - ) Down down and down, down down and down As we spin through the night With ever increasing might Down down and down, down down and down Returning volumes of sound Into the blackness we drown Round round and round, round round and round As we lay in our sleep The appointment we keep Down down and down, down down and down Only the rushing is heard Onward flies the bird Deep, deep, and deep, must we sink in our sleep Down down and down, down down and down Returning volumes of sound _________________________________________________________________________ Dragons and Fables ================== I am the child of wars never won Take heed prisoner, I am the One Your battle is over before it's began For a child on the run, I am free Many tournaments fought in this land Flying banners now dashed in the sand The colours you wear will not keep me For a child on the run, I am free The courts and knights of the table Bold stories of dragons and fables Your sword is red-stained I can see For a child on the run, I am free Silks, satins, riches in plenty Acres of land, four and twenty I am not you, I am me For a child on the run, I am free ______________________________________________________________________ Dragon Song (Moorcock) ====================== In a time before this time Those ancient gods of mine and thine Proclaimed our twin fates intertwined And named our day of destiny Calling all to come and feast To witness blood of man and beast Intermingled West to East North to South and sea to sea Mortal shall have dragon kin Share blood in virtue and in sin 'gainst common enemies shall win And ever bound in twain shall be! Now dragons wake to dragon's flight Drahon beauty, dragon bright Rise in vengeance, soar to fight Dragons roar fills up the night Firedrake's form blots out the Moon Dragons rise from sleeping grave When brothers sing the dragons tune Echoing through the dragon's cave Dragon singer, dragon cry Dragon rider mounts the sky Dragon brother, legends fame Hear me call the dragon names: Flamefang! Hornblow! Rainbow Wing! 'Tis time we heard the dragons sing Spiketail! Sharpclaw! Snout-On-Fire! Create our enemies' funeral pyre Steelcrest! Blackscale! Golden Bone! Rise to defend the Dragon Throne {Dragon steed bears dragon kin Towards the howling battle din Dragon rider's cry is wild Dragon mother, dragon child Dragons' wings unfolded wide Aloft now spreads the dragon tide Dragons dive and dragons sear Bring the death which all men fear For Death is now the dragon's bride Upward now the dragons spear Higher where the air is clear Above the clouds, close to the Sun Dragon brothers, we are one! Dragons kill and dragons slay Dragons fly towards the fray Pay the price all dragons pay For victory brings our funeral day!} --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dreaming City ============= Gleaming towers that touch the sky Ancient turrets catch the eye You stand so proud Coloured walls that shine so bright A monument to truth and light You carry on Yet fate is working fast to bring you down Peopled by a master race But living lives so cruel, so base Unconquered souls Their master knows not how to rule Dark forces use him as their tool He carries on And fate is working fast to bring him down Dreaming City your light is fading Amidst the chaos that now is reigning Uncaring beings come soon to raze Your tall, fair towers to set ablaze So fate is working fast to bring you down _____________________________________________________________________ Dream Worker ============ I have come. But I do not choose now, to do what I came to do. Navigation Computer report: Orbital status now maintained. Target zone vectors logged in. The Tube is now ready. Please swallow your blue Dreamer and place the helmet on your head. Can you hear the lights approaching? There's a sudden rush of sound You laugh but no-one's joking The Dreamer's turned you round And now there's no distraction You've slipped the noose of fate Your dreams are now in colour You've reached your future state You've reached your future state You've reached your future state...... ________________________________________________________________________ D-RIDER ======= We're children playing in the sun A sense of freedom on the run We never knew what time it was We just knew how sublime it was Our course determined by our stars My momma knows just where we are The Earth was forming from below A dragon showed which way to go Spacing out, we're spacing in Phasing out, we're phasing in Turning up by burning out Lifting off and gazing in Our luck, it changes with the tide Our constellations changing side Macro mirror-image fades Our over-conscience colour shades We're astral-planing, floating free On our continuum frequency A ring was formed out of the stone Metamorphose, tetraform Spacing out, we're spacing in Phasing out, by phasing in Turning up by burning out Lifting off and gazing in ________________________________________________________________________ DUST OF TIME ( - Brock - Bainbridge - Lloyd-Langton - ) Waiting in the valley of all creation Calling out a song for the state of the nation I am son born of father never related Frozen in a bank of ice essence liberated Looking from the future into the past Footprints of awareness approaching so fast Queues of sterile mothers waiting for inspection Populace diminished everywhere there is rejection Dust of time caught in your eye A fleeting glimpse gone in a sigh __________________________________________________________________________ Dying Seas ========== We've flotsam been, and the jetsam In highness being, gonna get some On the water walking, it's easy to be Centralised we to infinity For oursel'n only have we to thank If fool enow are we to walk the plank Eternity to spend in mime Drowning in the dying seas of time With galleon astral sailes set And with the tide we'll sail ayet By light propelled, Karma our guide The shores spatial pass we beside Past rotting hulks of culture drifting Lost souls ghostly trawlnets lifting Themselves against which have made crime Drowning in the dying seas of time ________________________________________________________________________ Earthed to the Ground ===================== Delicate, slimline, sturdy wood Got my hi-fi, as I should Video cassette is what I need Record my favourite programs on TV Separate slider, tone control Extra speaker with bass and roll Audio spectrum, sonic swirl Computer next with buttons to twirl Super giant TV screen Then a camera to take pictures of me I get my girlfriend to come round To freak her out with raucus sounds My automatic camera then will spy As on the bed now we would lie Educational programmes flash on the screen Where moments before, we had been I'm wired up for sound I'm earthed to the ground I'm wired up for sound I'm earthed to the ground.... I have good news A Prince has been born and some say he will be King. I told them it was a boy instead of telling them the truth that it was a girl. Only a few people know Let me propose a toast to Silverland and its new King (laughter). ___________________________________________________________________________ The Earth Ritual (Moorcock) =========================== We bring you the ritual of the ravaged Earth For we are all the Children of the Mother Sea We bring the rites of the reign of fire We are the Lords of Hunger The Ladies of Pain The weeping victims of our ruined brains And we're tired So tired of making love It is cold on the Edge of Time We are the oracle of the nuclear night Heralds and explorers of eternal ice We are the acolytes of your hidden flame Guardians of the dead; no longer sane We are the ghosts of that lifeless, nuclear night And we're tired So tired of making love It is cold on the Edge of Time We are the Lost The Last We are the half-blind We are the Warriors at the End Of Time Ravenous and white in perpetual freezing night We are the Daughters of the Moon Sons of the Ice And we're standing on the very Edge of Time And we're tired So tired of making love It is cold on the Edge of Time It is cold and hopeless at the End of Time You grow hard of heart and lose your sign To your Rites of Earth, and soul, and mind Too weak to protest at their martial crimes To cry out for your rights, to hold the line... It is cold on the Edge of Time And we're tired of making love Demand your rights to air, and earth, and fire Demand your rights so all shall share Or stand forever lonely on the Edge of Time Freeze forever at the Edge of Time For it is cold, so cold, at the Edge of Time It is cold on the Edge of Time And we're tired of making love --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ejection ======== There's only one course of action Left for me to take I've tried every switch selection That might control this state I think for my protection I better make it straight Into Ejection Better tell Base Ejection That I think it's a case For Ejection Explode into Space Ejection Protect my Face Ejection The radar screen's projection Tells me I'm too late To make a course correction I'm about to meet my fate No time for reflection I'd better make it straight Into Ejection Bust through the sky Ejection The air rushing by Ejection It's a case of goodbye Ejection I'm too fast to die Ejection When a ship meets with destruction The Captain stays to drown But no tin contraption Is going to drag me down My reference intersection Tells me that I'm bound For Ejection Eight times my weight Ejection I've got to escape Ejection Only one move to make Ejection Abandon this crate Ejection __________________________________________________________________________ ELRIC THE ENCHANTER The song he sang was surfaces Nothing deeper than a child knows He could sing sand into pearls So the saying goes Some said he was a sorcerer Or a warrior chief But he was the stealer of souls The lord of Chaos reaps And he's frozen in a time trap Slowly losing power And he's frightened if he makes a move The dream will soon turn sour Sprawling in a Ruby Throne Head cupped in his hands The lord of dragons, Elric's thoughts Were of quests to far off lands A black sword was at his side Murmuring in its scabbard cold Waiting for the moment to arrive To drink the very essence of soul He did not know that the sword he'd hold Would turn his priceless empire into fool's gold The truth, the shadow of the sword will hide Til it's too late, a traitor at his side And as he gazes from his ruby throne He's growing restless of the life he's sown To get away, embark on a quest And put his powers of sorcery to the test The drugs he takes to keep himself awake Lose their effect, he can no longer wait To find the sword and gain more power And make his move before the dream turns sour _________________________________________________________________________ Elric the Enchanter Part II [from Live Chronicles] =================================================== He did not know that the sword he'd hold Would turn his priceless empire into fool's gold The truth, the shadow of the sword will hide Til it's too late, a traitor at his side And as he gazes from his ruby throne He's growing restless of the life he's sown To get away, embark on a quest And put his powers of sorcery to the test The drugs he takes to keep himself awake Lose their effect, he can no longer wait To find the sword and gain more power And make his move before the dream turns sour __________________________________________________________________________ FABLE OF A FAILED RACE ( - Brock - Calvert - ) Our legends tell we came from a seed That travelled at a whirlwind speed 'Til it came to rest upon this land That once was green and is now all sand That buried us up to our eyes And made us watchers of the skies 'Til the shadow wings came for our sight And left us to conspire with night. __________________________________________________________________________ Fahrenheit 451 ============== In Lexington they're going to burn The Library of Congress for charity Round it's funeral pyre the flames will churn As night and winter's darkness spurn And threaten with their clarity See the flames they're burning up Burning so bright, Fahrenheit Fahrenheit 451 Fahrenheit 451 The fun has just begun, Fahrenheit 451 Oh see the pages all catching fire See the building shimmering now It was like this when witches reared Against the stake, we stood and peered At such Aladin's caves of air Oh I wish you could have seen us there Spreading all around that funeral pyre Watching the flames burn higher and higher Fahrenheit 451, Fahrenheit 451 The fun has just begun, Fahrenheit 451 Fahrenheit 451, Fahrenheit 451 The burning has just begun It's like a mushroom cloud on a sun Fahrenheit 451 The fire's fierce theatre draws herds of folk All willing to be hypnotised Anemones of flames and smoke Enchant us so we gladly choke Fahrenheit 451, Fahrenheit 451 The fun has just begun, Fahrenheit 451 ________________________________________________________________________ Fall of Earth City ================== News had drifted on the wind of many minds that this was to be an occasion of great importance. For it was said by some that Earth City had somehow uncovered a single time sleeper from the time before. Although the cryptic writings upon his tomb were now faded beyond decipherable reading, it was said, by the disembodied members of the ruling kind, that the entombed was from the time on Earth before the city stretched its metal web from pole to pole leaving green things only in the wells of immortal minds. Upon the third revolution after its arrival, the tomb that slept without life was removed for inspection. The day was programmed for a clear dome above, with a mild breeze wafting from the central weather post. Below, throngs of class three occupants were gathering from various sectors to observe the opening. As per standard procedure, their data input stations were fed appropriate propaganda so that their reports would coincide with what the rulers had predetermined. And so it was upon that day of opening, his spirit did appear and confuse once again. It was evident to all that what lay within was not of mortal composure. Thoughts emanating from deep within its dimensionless cave conveyed this belief to all within the medi-dome. What is this apparition now amongst our kind? Quickly thereafter, all pressure was released from within the stillness. Earth City, unknowingly at that time, was about to enter a new phase of its existence. Violent quaking began to shake the towers of sector 63. Manifestations of melting spead its wings over the structure until once again, ancient soil kissed the sky. And the beginning of the end swept all that was into its eternal grasp. __________________________________________________________________________ Festivals ========= The spirit once lived In all of our hearts, A spirit of freedom, Dance, music and Arts. We gave what we could, But they wanted more. We came in peace, But left in war. A society infiltrated from the inside, Government instigators? Nowhere to hide. We have allowed it to happen, It is so very sad, Everyone is guilty, Though not everyone is bad. Those carefree days of summers past At the time seemed too good to last. But I thought that it would be destroyed, >From the outside... not from within, By the closed minded fascists, Not by our own "Kith and Kin". -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIFTH SECOND OF FOREVER ( - Brock - ) There's a circle on a paper High a planet in the sky >From the dust which will not settle Hours is the time you lie Trace your finger in the cluster, you've found the cause which is called must Remember always you are nothing, though others say that you must suss, you must trust the new messiah ________________________________________________________________________ The Final Fight (Moorcock) =============== Ships of Chaos upwards churning >From the nightmare realms below Dragons downwards, venom burning Now attack the malformed foe Lords of Hell, all pity spurning Cry "Revenge" and lust for death Their servant Elric's mind is turning To sweet Law's promises of rest Monstrous men and manlike monsters Battle for the end of time Meanwhile heavy metal songsters Cut themselves another line... Speed now! Speed to war and horror Speed to battle - Speed to die Hasten, for there's no tomorrow The future's merely another lie Dragons sigh and dragons soaring Marshall for their Final Fight Chaos creatures in torment roaring Seek the rule of Earth's old night. Dragon brothers onward fly Chaos summons all her might Dragon Lord is coming nigh Come to fight the Final Fight Come to fight the Final Fight ------------------------------------------------------------------------ First Landing on Medusa ======================= Full Waking took us days to realise Adjusting to the newness of our eyes We stayed inside, performing simple tasks Hardly speaking, faces set like masks Until the time came round for us to set The first feet on this world, to get our samples, and erect the instruments A barren planet, but to all intents Another Eden opening its gates For this chosen few who'd outslept their fates Anonymous, identical in our suits We entered the airlock. My weighted boots would be the first to touch this unknown stone I led some distance, then, I felt alone So I turned and saw, that the others were standing still, I radio'd to make them stir but got no answer. So I waved my arm But they still stood as though a stoning charm had taken hold. I made my slow way back And found each man had frozen in his track I hammered my gloved fist on visor-plate And pulled at pressure-padded arms. A state of utter trance had overtaken all my men My mouth felt dry, my fingers stiff, and then..... _________________________________________________________________________ FLYING DOCTOR ( - Calvert - Brock - ) He sneaks through the door of the surgery He's got the drug cabinet key, he did something funny and tied up his arm It's just the flying doctor, no cause for alarm He sprinkled out a powder, and spread out a line He sniffed it up his nostrils, and he's feeling so fine Feeling so fine, it feels like he's flying Feeling so fine, it feels like he's flying His receptionist saw him, it certainly shocked her She said "Look out, you'd better duck, here comes the Flying Doctor" Out in the outback there's been an outbreak And the Flying Doctor's got nothing to take He went to the cabinet and the cabinet was bare His eyes dilated and you can see by his stare Called up his base on the radio, he said "My supplies are running low" They're running low you can see where they go. They're running low I see where they go Out in the outback with my merciful claptrap Look out you'd better duck, here comes the Flying Doctor He's got the cabinet key, the cabinet key, the cabinet key "This is the Flying Doctor calling Wallaralla base. Wallaralla base come in please. I want to talk to you about my drugs situation.. My drug supply is getting rather tight.. About as tight as a kangaroo's khyber, I'd say. Cabinet key Wake up one, two, three, four A Sheila in the bush by a Coolibah tree needing an urgent appendectomy The Flying Doctor like a true Australian, performed the operation with a soldering can, he made a rough incision and tried to chew it out, he had no anaesthetic So she started to shout, she started to shout. When he was chewing it out. She started to shout and tried to chew him right out, balled up his fist and scientifically socked her Look out you'd better duck. Here comes the Flying Doctor. Cabinet key, cabinet key, cabinet key... ________________________________________________________________________ FREE FALL ( - Calvert - Bainbridge - ) Before you jump you wear the frown of someone who is stalling There's no up there's only down The other fear of falling All you need to do is take One step into the sky Give yourself to gravity Give death another try In free fall, free fall The wind'll take your frightened face And force your mouth to smile While destiny is on your case The gods look up your file The clouds are coming at you Like a host of angels wings For thirty seconds of freedom squared You've cut the puppet strings In free fall, free fall __________________________________________________________________________ Gaga ==== This is a time for shutters Dark space beckons And there is no day or night There is no where or when There is no now or then Though this may be the beginning Or this could be the end The Watcher only knows This is the mental liftoff This is the Countdown that is called This is Hawkwind --------------------------------------------------------------------------- GIMME SHELTER [Hawkwind & Samantha Fox charity CD] ============= Oh, a storm is threat'ning My very life today. If I don't get some shelter Yeah, I'm gonna fade away. War, children, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away. War, children, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away. See the fire is sweeping Our very street today. Burns like a red coal carpet Mad bull lost its way. Rape and murder, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away Rape, rape and murder, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away Hmmmm, the flood is threatening My very life today Gimme, gimme shelter Or I'm gonna fade awau War, children, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away. War, children, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away. War, children, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away War, children, it's just a shot away It's just a shot away I tell you love sister, it's just a kiss away It's just a kiss away Love, love sister, it's just a kiss away It's just a kiss away Love, love brother, it's just a kiss away It's just a kiss away Love sister, it's just a kiss away It's just a kiss away Kiss away, kiss away It's just a kiss away Kiss away, kiss away It's just a kiss away -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE GOLDEN VOID ( - Brock - ) The golden void speaks to me denying my reality I lose my body, lose my mind, I blow like wind, flow like wine Down a corridor of flame, will I fly so high again Is there something wrong with me, I cannot hear, I cannot see Down a corridor of flame So you think the time is past, the life you lead will always last Chaotic fusions of your soul, down below that rocky knowle Through the clouds an open sky, the wind flows through your watering eyes The sounds are pitched to draw you on your never ending journey on The edge of time, the edge of time, the edge of time _________________________________________________________________________ GOOD EVENING Good Evening Mommy Daddy said to me "Get A Job" Mommy Daddy said to me "Get A Job" Mommy Daddy said to me "Get A Job" (eight times) Just cause it has been ?easy? __________________________________________________________________________ Green Finned Demon: =================== He Draws the moon towards him With a wand of whales' bone The submarine magician is returning to his home His slow hair floats around him And his cloak spreads like a flower The submariner has the oceans in his power Green finned demon take me down Green finned demon take me down He speaks the bubbing language Of everything that swims He knows the eightfold secret Of the Octopus's limbs His skin is silver scales And his hair is green as weed His eyes are phosphorescent A sea-horse for his steed Green finned demon take me down Green finned demon take me down Captain Nemo knew him In his underwater deep He understands the meaning Of the dolphins' joyful leap Green finned demon take me down ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hades Deep ========== Quick! Somebody help me! This man is dying! Beware you slithering slime of earth You shall return to the time of birth We shall destroy your civil globe Slice apart your left ear lobe We'll tie your tongue of deceit into a knot Melt you down to liquid snot Hair will burn from the Acid Rain While we'll now surgivally remove your brain We'll feast upon your kind at will And your babies we shall kill You mother will die a hideous death Your father will burn from our fire breath We are the dark lords of hades deep It's here your filthy soul will keep You'll burn forever in the pit of hate For to suffer in Hades' your fate ___________________________________________________________________________ Hassan I Sabha ============== Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashish-hashin Hashishin Black-September Black-September Black-September Black-September Black-September Black-September Black-September Death unto all infidels, in oil Guide us o thou genie of the smoke Lead us to a thousand and one nights In the perfumed gardens of delight Petro-dollar Petro-dollar Petrol-D'allah Petrol-D'allah Petro-dollar Petro-dollar Petro-dollar It is written In the soul of the desert It is written In the signs in the stars It is written In the sands of the hour-glass It is written It is written In the eye of the falcon It is written In the shade of the scorpion It is written In the wealth of the sun It is written It is written That man's truth is a mirage It is written That death's an oasis It is written For all unbelievers It is written _________________________________________________________________________ Hawkwind (Dumpy's Rusty Nuts with Dave Brock) ============================================= And in the fullness of time, The Prophecy must be fullfilled. The Hawklords return to smite the land and the Dark Forces shall be scourged. Peace shall come to everyone, for is it not written that the sword is the key to Heaven and Hell. It's eighteen years since they were formed >From the land of thought where they were spawned The realm of the Hawk is soon to show Silver wings for you to go Hawkwind, Hawkwind, here's the verse Masters of the Universe Take me back to the Ritual time Peace and love forever mine To save you for the Sonic Attack The Angels of Light take you back To Utopia where thinking's a crime So you can be in paradise Hawkwind, Hawkwind, here's the verse Masters of the Universe Take me back to the Ritual time Peace and love forever mine Adjust me, adjust me, adjust me, adjust me In search of space the sundown came The runways laid in your brain Storm into the dark of light 451 Fahrenheit Hawkwind, Hawkwind, here's the verse Masters of the Universe Take me back to the Ritual time Peace and love forever mine _________________________________________________________________________ HEADS ===== Limits of the infinite Have never been defined A spirit lies in atrophy In a state to late to unwind Trophies on the back shelves Procreating all our race Ideals of our fantasies On which all things are based Collecting every prospect Running through your tests With manikin expressions They end up like the rest In glass booths they're wired With needles in their flesh They're pickled for posterity And eternally refreshed So link yourself to others Talk yourself to sleep It's all so superficial No use for you to weep (seven times) So place your trust in science For it has come so far Well, Necromancy lives forever Preserved within a jar (repeat six more times) ___________________________________________________________________________ High Rise ========= Flat block Of two dimensions Neon tote board to the sky Keeping scores of people stacked up so high Above the ground But all they can hear is the sound Of the wind in the antennae It's a human zoo A suicide machine Childhood Of concrete cube shaped A flypaper stuck with human life Caged up rage Swarming all the time Tear out the telephones Rip up the pages of directories And wreck all these High speed lifts and elevators Be a sabotage rebel without applause High rise Living in a high rise High rise Living in a high rise High rise Living in a high rise High rise All stacked up in a high rise block High rise Living in a high rise High rise Living in a high rise High rise Living in a high rise High rise All stacked up in a high rise block Starfish Of human blood shape Tentacles of human gore Spread out on the pavement from the 99th floor Well somebody said that he jumped But we know he was pushed He was just like you might have been On the 99th floor of a suicide machine High rise Living in a high rise High rise Living in a high rise High rise Living in a high rise High rise All stacked up in a high rise block ____________________________________________________________________________ Hi Tech Cities ============== Country people always exist Where there's no telly And no place to get pissed The crops they have sown Have had a bad year Their children will starve And live in fear Ordered patterns Never random Cubicle dwellers Live in cellars Hi Tech Cities Such a pity Life is sterile Never gritty Originality Is there no goal? Be the same Is their logo Minds on a circuit With Big Brother All thoughts are common There is no other No air to breathe The masses seethe In occupations, manipulations All your movements are on the file This we say "don't chance to smile" _______________________________________________________________________ HORN OF FATE (DESTINY) Yet year on year the greedy tide Swelled from the west unsatisfied And ever with impatient fret Gnawed at the human banquet And many with madness in their eyes Stared gibbering at the white hot skies Where foul birds circled overhead Shadowing the living and the dead Southward to where the blood red sun Sickens at noon in vapours dun He stumbles with the fear-tamed herds Of savage beasts While homeless birds fly overhead Southward, southward, southward _________________________________________________________________________ HURRY ON SUNDOWN ( - Brock - ) Well hurry on sundown See what tomorrow brings Hurry on sundown See what tomorrow brings Well it may bring war Any old thing Well look into your mind's eye See what you can see There's hundreds of people like you and me. _________________________________________________________________________ I'm Waiting For The Man ======================= (Lou Reed) I'm waiting for my man Twenty-six dollars in my hand Up to Lexington, 125 Feel sick and dirty, more dead than alive I'm waiting for my man Hey, white boy, what you doin' uptown? Hey, white boy, you chasin' our women around? Oh pardon me sir, it's the furthest from my mind I'm just lookin' for a dear, dear friend of mine I'm waiting for my man Here he comes, he's all dressed in black Beat up shoes and a big straw hat He's never early, he's always late First thing you learn is you always gotta wait I'm waiting for my man Up to a Brownstone, up three flights of stairs Everybody's pinned you, but nobody cares He's got the works, gives you sweet taste Ah then you gotta split because you got no time to waste I'm waiting for my man Baby don't you holler, darlin' don't you bawl and shout I'm feeling good, you know I'm gonna work it on out I'm feeling good, I'm feeling oh so fine Until tomorrow, but that's just some other time I'm waiting for my man -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IMAGES ====== ( - Brock/Davey/Wishart - ) Memories surround him Walking through the door Smells of dust and summer heat Embroidering his thoughts The seeing hand The face of fate The shifting scenes I can't explain The crazy fool who screams his pain As he tries to cheat life's final game Whispering from the balcony Lingers in the hall The well worn path of mortality Appearing here once more It's gone now It's gone now Twist the soul Turn Flesh to stone The fear and the anger Of the lost and alone Endless dreams of wasted days Slowly fade away Laughter echoes glittering There's no need to stay __________________________________________________________________________ INFINITY ( - Calvert - Brock - ) I used to be of human kind, I had a life to lead But now I'm frozen in a dream My life is lost it seems She turned the key Of endlessness and locked me In a dream, Infinity Infinity so beautiful Has turned my soul to ice And crystallized eternity For all my future time She turned the key Of endlessness and locked me In a dream, Infinity I met her in a forest glade Where starbeams grew like trees I did not take her for a witch She wasn't what she seemed She turned the key Of endlessness and locked me In a dream, Infinity She led me to a palace gate With constellation towers She is the keeper of my fate I sleep locked in her powers She turned the key Of endlessness and locked me In a dream, Infinity _______________________________________________________________________ In the Egg ========== We live in the Egg We live in the Egg We have covered the inside wall of the shell with dirty drawings and the christian names of our enemies We are being hatched Whoever is hatching us is hatching our pencils as well Set free from the Egg one day, at once we shall draw a picture of whoever is hatching us We assume that we're being hatched We imagine some good natured fowl and write school essays about the colour and creed of the hen that is hatching us When shall we break the shell? Our prophets inside the Egg, for a middling salary, argue about the period of incubation The posit a day called "X" Out of boredom and genuine need, we have invented incubators We are much concerned about our offspring inside the Egg We should be glad to recommend our patent to whom looks after us But we have a room full of hardheads, senile chimps, polyglot embryos chatter all day and even discuss their dreams But what if we're not being hatched? What if the shell will never break, if the horizon is only that of our scribbles, and always will be? We hope that we're being hatched Even if we only talk of hatching there remains the fear that someone outside the shell will feel hungry and crack us into the frying pan with a pinch of salt What then my brethren inside the Egg? _________________________________________________________________________ In the Office ============= I am so distant And so cold I've lived too long And I'm so old I've tried so many distant ways I've watched each one of them delayed I can't expound for the ages While we are leafing through the pages The office blocks from which we march Mirrored shades of the Patriarch Lounge lizards in penthouse flats May soon find out where it's at They gnaw away our hard earned pay We walk the treadmill every day Caught by streams of constant motion Most of the workers have no notion Sitting glued to the computer screens Fingers raised - "must finish the scene" Techno Tropic Zone exists Within these walls we can't resist _____________________________________________________________________ Into the Realms =============== Long ago these un-neutered skies Told our race a tortured lie The winds had borne them across the land Their existence still dust in our hands Our voices cackled in their ears Could not abate all of their fears The seas had frothed and flashed to steam Their flesh was scalded for one human's dream A human's dream A human's dream ________________________________________________________________________ IT'S SO EASY ( - Brock - ) Try to understand it, though it's very hard to see The reason that we are living, no longer seems to be Revolution's coming the chaos will soon end We've reached the age of learning You'll see it in the end. It's so easy, it's so easy, it's so easy, it's so easy To say what you say, do what you want It happened today no matter what They say this world's so mixed up everywhere you go Everywhere you go, everywhere you go, everywhere you go _________________________________________________________________________ Jack of Shadows =============== Jack of Shadows, nocturnal outlaw Daemon of darkness, brother to the night Jack of Shadows, what's he hanging out for? King of the dimensions, the other side of light And when he passes He casts shades of mystery black Flowing like molasses It's only Jack of Shadows on his way back To the kindom of thieves Before the skies crack Jack of Shadows, cloak of constellations Draped around his body, blanking out his face Jack of Shadows, don't believe in God, he steals from the future, fades without a trace And when the flames flare Flickering forms of velvet dark He plays his games there It's only Jack of Shadows, he's lit up by a spark To run into the umbra , as fast as a shark Jack of Shadows, ultravoilet eyesight Giving him the vision that cats-eye infrared Jack of Shadows, watch him as he flies right Through all of the umbras, quicker than the dead And when he passes He casts shades of mystery black Flowing like molasses It's only Jack of Shadows on his way back To the kindom of thieves Before the skies crack Jack of Shadows, Jack of Shadows Jack of Shadows, Jack of Shadows Jack of Shadows, Jack of Shadows....... ________________________________________________________________________ The Joker at the Gate ===================== People function, dreaming their dreams. People function, scheming their schemes People function, trusting to fate Looking for the Joker, but it's too late Is there still a moment somewhere That will surprise us with its tricks? I am the holder of seven dreams Faceless possessor of all life's schemes Through me you can laugh in the face of fate I am the Joker at your gate __________________________________________________________________________ The Joker of the Universe (Moorcock) ==================================== They have killed the great Sun Jester Who danced between the stars They have stripped him of his manhood Signs of Venus and of Mars The cynics left him weeping And the jackals left him torn But the jester reaches out blind hands he can touch the stars no more And he danced for us And he laughed for us And he gave us all he had He was Jesus, he was Jonas He was good and he was bad And he took the stars in his hands And as he scattered them he'd shout "I'm The Joker of The Universe I'm what it's all about!" Now he's dying in his dream And the hard men drag him down They have killed the wild-eyed jester They have killed the Fireclown Now his blind eyes seek the starlight And his fingers seek controls To take him into space again Where he was both young and old The dancers legs are stiffened with pain And they've made him kneel too long And the madness they have driven out They've left him cold and sane He'll never sing his songs again He'll never dance between the stars again He'll never laugh again He'll never dream your songs again He'll never sing his songs again He'll never sing his songs again --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kadu Flyer ========== I want to try, I want to be me I want to get high, I want to see I want to fly, I want to be free I take the trail from Katmandu With a different kind of trip in view Everest is behind the town Mountain High-bound to get higher My glider, I'm the Kadu Flyer Cygnus of the skies, the prize And I will rise to win it Never fly through a cloud if there's a mountain in it My route is by the steep ascent Do battle with the elements Reefs of peril, fierce freezing winds Downdraft dangers want to drag me down My straining ailerons the only sound I'm carried by the keening wind, with the dandelions glide Everest, I'll never rest I'll see you a mogul when I'm high Crawl the thermal up a mountain Like the Pteradacyl's wings Waves of lift and wing vibrations Help me to invoke the sun True me up in soaring fun Rising like the phoenix In full flight from the fire A dragon wing of string and sticks Gliding higher and higher and higher _______________________________________________________________________ Kapal ===== To be, or not to be - that is the question; Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing end them Married with my uncle, My father's brother: but no more like my father Than I to Hercules. Within a month... ... She married. O, most wicked speed, to post With such dexterity to incestuous sheets! It is not, nor it cannot come to good. But break, my heart, for I must hold my tongue "To be or not to be That is the question" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KERB CRAWLER ============ Syncromesh Gearbox Overhead Cam Mohair motorised wolf L-L-L-L-Looking for lambs Power-Assisted Steering 8-Track Stereo Leopard Skin Upholstery FM Radio Kerb Crawler White side walls with grooves Kerb Crawler So fast he hardly moves Kerb Crawler He really approves of Your high heels clicking Like a pair of cloven hooves Excuse Me Lady Are you looking for a lift? I ain't going nowhere special I'm just out on the drift I'll take you anywhere you want Drop you outside your door I might burn us down the Autobahn With my foot right to the floor Adagio insect in the skyscraper shade He's a night-city mantis In the neon parade Come on, come on ________________________________________________________________________ KINGS OF SPEED ( - Brock - Moorcock - ) Kings of speed, kings of speed, we're gonna make you, kings of speed, kings of speed Between you and me Mr. C, I think we have what these boys need Step this way lads, it ain't no lie, Try your luck and be the human fly Kings of speed, kings of speed, we're gonna make you, kings of speed, kings of speed We're gonna take a tasty trip on Frank and Beasley's rocket ship The biggest attraction, the brightest star, boys you're going fast and far Kings of speed, kings of speed, we're gonna make you, kings of speed, kings of speed We guarantee you the sweetest ride You'll go so far you'll think you've died Step this way lads it ain't no lie Try your luck and reach the sky _________________________________________________________________________ Land of Inspirations ==================== The shores of our imaginations Running on a far horizon We have no operation We are free to look around Infinite possibilities, no choice Scarce is the same story In this land of aspirations No conception goes to waste Lightning strikes Blazing revelations scorch this air There is no true refuge No Nirvana in which to hide Earthbound poets Guiding us through dark places Out into the light No laws to contain us Our will prevails. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LEVITATION ( - Brock - ) In the darkness I will shine, cast not shadows, not define I walk on water, float on air, there's no other to compare I have this fascination, no cause for deviation It's called levitation There's no cause to start and scream, nor rub your eyes, this is no dream Although I sit upon this chair, I rise and float up in the air I have this fascination, no cause for deviation It's called levitation Magnetic force, repel-attract, once it starts, there's no turning back I offer you this chance to learn, take it now there's no return _________________________________________________________________________ Lighthouse ========== Far Away in outer space A Lighthouse guiding star It's there to help you, human race and tell you where you are So take a fix on Lighthouse And home into its beam And light the lasers in your heart For all the world to see Cosmic sound and laser light Tools Lighthouse uses well It signals out across galaxies Where crystal people dwell And take a fix on Lighthouse And home into its beam And light the lasers in your heart For all the world to see ____________________________________________________________________________ LIVING ON A KNIFE EDGE ( - Brock - ) Everytime I go out, I think I'm being checked out, Faceless people watching on a TV screen Do you begin to sense it, just beneath the surface Reflections of a window whilst walking down the street Computers are abused, school records are fed Police are checking on what you said The number of your car's fed into a box Your journey's being checked, it's a paradox Duplicate forms, and ID cards are next in line to disregard Future generations are relying on us It's a world we've made - Incubus We're living on a knife edge, looking for the ground ____________________________________________________________________________ LOOKING IN THE FUTURE ( - ? - ) Lives of great men all remind us we may make our lives sublime And so departing leave behind us Footprints in the sands of time And with the writing I will show you Looking in the days beyond recall As I lecture with the spirits of the other side I'm living in the future I'm looking in the future I'm living in the future Not a sound was heard No call came from the bird Only the carpet of green >From towering trees was seen Where have they all gone? Why was there no song? I'm living in the future Looking at the past ________________________________________________________________________ LORD OF LIGHT ( - Brock - ) The elements that gather here upon this hill shall cast no fear Of lines that match across the world for travel which no man has ever heard The moon that shines its beam so bright of stones that measure the silvery light of energy that travels here it happens on the seventh year. A day shall come, we shall be as one Perhaps the Dying has begun >From the realms beyond the sun here our lifetime has begun ________________________________________________________________________ Lords of Chaos ============== Arioch aid me in my time of need, From inside my soul doth bleed, with your help I'll find the embrasure. The Dukes of Hell, they come, Arioch help me or my life is done. I am here, what dost thou wishest? _________________________________________________________________________ LOST CHANCES ( - Brock - ) Crystal evenings, long ago, twisted winds and weeping snow We missed a turning in the past, is there anything that can last The race is run, the time is right, get out your gun it's time to fight And all our dreams just turn to dust, look to the future forget the past Mistakes you've made can't be redeemed, they are made because you dreamed a dream Honest sunsets turn to paint, the lie you tell becomes a taint The house you built reverts to dust, the sword you held it turns to rust The lies you tell destroy your will, the price you paid you're paying still And the rocks in the river grow higher and higher As the water gets lower and lower There are ghosts in our lives that will not fade There are ghosts in our lives that will not fade, until we've paid ______________________________________________________________________ Lost Johnny =========== You only get a single chance The rules are very plain The truth is well concealed inside The details of the game You can see it coming You can hear it from afar It's pale and it flickers Like a faded movie star And up there in the castle They're trying to make us scream By sticking thumb tacks in her flesh And cancelling the dream Can you find the valium? Can you bring it soon? Lost Johnny's out there Baying at the Moon The time has come for you to choose You'd better get it right Berlin girls with sharp white teeth Are waiting in the night But you oughta really get some It surely can't be hard There's always trouble waiting When you leave your own back yard And underneath the city The alligators sing About how the puppets cannot dance Since someone cut the strings Run and get the morphine For God's sake make it brief Lost Johnny's out there Looking for relief Now Simon looks so evil And you know he really tries But every time he makes a play That vital number dies And Sally buys her underwear >From a store where no-one goes She makes it big in photographs On the strength of what she shows And here inside the waiting room The radio still screams And we're all taking Tuenol To murder our young dreams Run and fetch your credit card Try to make it quick Lost Johnny's out there Trying to turn a trick ___________________________________________________________________________ Love In Space ============= Love in space I dream of you Love in space I scream to you Love in space I cry for you Love in space I fly to you Drifting in our capsules of icy mist The ship of dreams sails on Love in space I dream of you Love in space I plead for you Love in space I sigh for you Love in space I die for you -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- L.S.D. ====== By mere existence, we are elite Without a body, we are complete There is no Master, we are alone There is an answer, where we have flown hello hello..........goodbye. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- MAGNU ( - Brock - ) Magnu, horse with golden mane I want your help yet once again Walk not the earth but fly through space As lightning flash and thunders race Swift as the arrow from the bow Come to me so that no one can know. Sunbeams are my shafts to kill All men who dare imagine ill {Deceit that fears the light of day Fly from the glory of my ray} Good minds open and take new might Until diminished by the reign of night {A burning brand was seen to fall It lit the darkness of the hall The flying hoofbeats circling in Come to me and let us spin.} [Live Chronicles has The Conjuration of Magnu - a narration of the first four lines + "Magnu, Magnu, Magnu. Come to me"] _________________________________________________________________________ Make What You Can ================= make what you can when you say Take what you can when you may I see it all through my eyes I see it all through these lies Make what you can when you take Take what you can when you make Make what you can when you're takin' Take what you can when you're makin' Make what you can when you take Take what you can when you make I see it all in your eyes I see it all through my eyes Make what you can when you take take what you can when you make Take what you can when you make it Make what you can when you take it Take what you can when you make it Make what you can when you take it _________________________________________________________________________ Mark of Cain ============ >From war to war, hang up your swords And rest to heal their wounds But time has taught, without a thought Their guns will call the tune They say it is tha mark of Cain It's imprinted on our hearts The shame it is that I should go Seems we've grown apart Mostly blind, can't see the signs They stumble in the dark My eyes confused, our lives abused Just trying to make a mark They say it is the mark of Cain It's imprinted on our hearts The shame it is that I should go Seems we've grown apart ____________________________________________________________________________ Mask of Morning =============== In the cold grey-mask of morning I cry out, But you don't hear the sound that I shout, And you don't see me through the tears you've shed, all you hear are the voices in your head. In the dream-world that you've found will one day drag you down, The mirror of illusion reflects the smile. The world from your back door seems so wide, The house, so tiny it is from inside, A box that you're still living in, I cannot see for why You think you've found perception's doors, but they open to a lie. As the rain will come downward now is prepared I will have a smoke, become the slayer of alien power, but now am I? And in my dreams that mirror the workings of the mind dreams that reflect all the desires of the body, dreams that bridge the void between this world and beyond. _____________________________________________________________________________ MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE ( - Brock - Turner - ) I am the centre of this universe The wind of time is blowing through me And it's all moving relative to me, It's all a figment of my mind In a world that I've designed I'm charged with cosmic energy Has the world gone mad or is it me? I am the creator of this universe And all that it was meant to be So that we might learn to see This foolishness that lives in us And stupidity that we must suss How to banish from our minds If you call this living I must be blind. [1st verse only used in Live Chronicles and slightly amended: "I am the master of the universe"] __________________________________________________________________________ Messengers of Morpheus ====================== He who finds to himself a joy And does not winged life destroy But he who kisses the joy as it flies Lives in an eternal sunrise Morpheus, Morpheus, Morpheus __________________________________________________________________________ MICRO MAN ( - Calvert - Brock - ) It's the age of the Micro Man, who sees the detail but never the plan It's the time of the tiny creep, who pulls the levers while he falls asleep Twenty five years of social research It's the age of the insect man who pushes buttons and takes back the can It's the age of the Micro Man who sees the detail but never the plan Twenty five years of social research Twenty five years of social research _________________________________________________________________________ MIRROR OF ILLUSION ( - Brock - ) In the cold grey-mask of morning I cry out, But no-one feels the sound that I shout, And you don't hear me through the tears you've shed, and the dream-world that you've found will one day drag you down, The mirror of illusion reflects the smile, The world from your back door seems so wide, The house, so tiny it is from inside, A box that you're still living in, I cannot see for why You think you've found perception's doors, they open to a lie. ________________________________________________________________________ Moonglum ======== Moonglum, friend without a reason Moonglum, friend without a cause Embarrassed by a show of love But would stand by the man of the feeble blood This bond meant much more to him Than a kingdom offered by a queen No words for his silent trust As the Sword goes on to sate its lust Moonglum and Elric hunting Theleb K'aarna Myshella now replacing Queen Yishana See them travel through open skies See the amazing steel bird fly Armies stand, so soon to fall Sorcery is the tune they call Pitting wit against flesh and gall Timeless searching in timeless halls Walking out to meet his death To find this was no release Searching for some sort of ease Denying feelings that made him weak Moonglum and Elric hunting Theleb K'aarna Myshella now replacing Queen Yishana See them travel through the open sky See the amazing steel bird fly ________________________________________________________________________ Motherless Children =================== Motherless children have a very hard time when their mother is gone Motherless children have a very hard time when their mother is gone Motherless children have a very hard time, all that weeping and all that crying Motherless children have a very hard time when their mother is gone Some people say that a sister will do when their mother is gone Some people say that a sister will do when their mother is gone Some people say that a sister will do, soon as she's happy turn her back on you Motherless children have a hard time when their mother is gone Father will do the best he can when their mother is gone Father will do the best he can when their mother is gone Father will do the best he can, so many things that father don't understand Motherless children have a hard time when their mother is gone _____________________________________________________________________________ MOTORHEAD ( - Kilminster - ) Sunrise wrong side of another day Sky-high and six thousand miles away Don't know how long I've been awake Wound up in an amazing state Can't get enough and you know it's the righteous stuff Goes up like prices at Christmas, Motorhead You can call me Motorhead alright Brained out total amnesia Got some mental anaesthesia Don't move, I'll shut the door and kill the lights If I can be wrong, I must be right All good clean fun, have another stick of gum Man you're looking better already, Motorhead Remember me now, Motorhead, alright Fourth day, five day marathon We're moving like a parallelogram Don't move, the morning's not a pretty sight I guess I'll see you on the ice outside I should be tired, and all I am is wired I Ain't felt this good for an hour Motorhead, remember me now Motorhead __________________________________________________________________________ MOTORWAY CITY ( - Brock - ) Turning star projections, voices from the deep Throbbing of the engines, you exit from the heat Paper on the pavement, cars crawling in the road Emotions of the city, you ease your heavy load A Motorway City, well it ain't the same Lighting up the night sky, with an orange flame A Motorway City, well you exit on the right Cruising on the highway, when you're driving through the night A Motorway City, well it ain't the same Lighting up the night sky, with an orange flame __________________________________________________________________________ Mutation Zone ============= Welcome to the Mutation Zone It's all change In this activated city You can't call Your body your own There's no real protection >From this potion of molecules Down here In the Mutation Zone Mutation Zone Is my home Beneath the rubble It's here I struggle Where silent lakes of dead water Left scorched mountains for an altar It's here the one armed anglers bait Their hooks for creatures of a similar trait For gaping holes fill the ground Craters are spewing out constant sound Living in a quicksand pit Of chemicals and useless shit Can't you see what we've done Blown this Earth to kindom come A swirling mist of nuclear haze Where once before we walked and gazed There is no price to save your soul So disappear up an old black hole Activated city Mutation Zone Activated city Mutation Zone Activated city Mutation Zone Activated city Mutation Zone It's all so pretty For this mutant terror There's no escape >From the chemical error Your card's been punched Your cover's blown Down here in the Mutation Zone __________________________________________________________________________ My Armour's Killing Me ====================== If you try to take it off it will destroy you And it's almost impossible to remove Wear it carefully, wear it carefully It will protect you against all enemies including yourself. The armour should be given in perfect condition. Any weaknesses should be reported immediately. Your armour will protect you from all conceivable dangers. Especially from within Especially from within It will enable you to resist All temptations and all changes Your armour shines and gleams so well Enabling you to walk through Hell And keep your enemies at bay Through darkest night and brightest day If you keep it carefully You'll burn in it and die in it And never know you didn't have to wear it You'll never know you didn't have to wear it My armour's killing me My armour's killing me My armour's killing me My armour holds me tight My armour blocks the light My armour's all I want 'cos I'm too scared to shed it Yes I'm too scared to shed it My armour's killing me (repeat) _____________________________________________________________________ Narration I [from Live Chronicles] =========== Elric's cousin Yrkoon has usurped his throne and has taken Elric, the weak one, prisoner. He places him on board a ship and has him ... attempts to have him done away with. He has him thrown overboard, but Elric calls upon the Sea-King to help him. _________________________________________________________________________ Narration II {Elric the Enchanter Pt1} [from Live Chronicles] see Elric the Enchanter ============ Some say he was a sorcerer Or a warrior chief But he was the stealer of souls The Lord of Chaos reaps And he's frozen in a time trap Slowly losing power And he's frightened if he makes a move The Dream will soon turn sour Seeking Stormbringer, the Stealer of Souls ------------------------------------------------------------------------- NEEDLE GUN So you're alive, I thought you was done I'm gonna bring you down with my needle gun Feel my pin prick tattoo your spine Give it a minute, your life's entwined With mine It's gonna make you run Needle, needle gun Hear my laughter In your head It's a pity it's a shame Nothing's been said It's a vaccination joy With the ultimate death toy It's gonna make you run Needle, needle gun Evil needle gun ______________________________________________________________________ Neon Skyline ============ Before my eyes, a neon skyline Colours drip, dimensions entwine Twisting matter, time and space Got to leave reality's waste Colours blind us Lights and liquids Darkness hides us >From the conscience I changed my course, I had no choice I always listen to my inner voice Projecting auras used to create Escape into the next stargate Colours blind us Lights and liquids Darkness hides us >From the conscience Before my eyes, a neon skyline Another trip, beyond the mind Senses swirling in my head As darkness falls upon the ledge Colours blind us Lights and liquids Darkness hides us >From the conscience ___________________________________________________________________________ New Jerusalem ============= "Nor shall my sword rest in my hand 'til we have founded Jerusalem Here in Englands green and Pleasant Land" William Blake (1778) And here's this crystal city That is mapped out like the stars She's been waiting there for ages For us to give her force Some call her Ynnis Glytrr Crystal Isle to you or me So full of glowing emanations That you don't need eyes to see So here inside these valleys That are so full of energy We'll build a New Jerusalem With Love from You to Me Pyramids and Stonehenge Are Ley lines to this place City of Revelations That governs inner space So now tune in your auras Let Solstice music sound And build New Age vibrations And feed them to the ground So here inside these valleys That are so full of energy We'll build a New Jerusalem With Love from You to Me Light that shines through darkness For us, it's plain to see Our Cosmic generation Has power enough to be So find this inner vision And grasp it at the start And build a New Jerusalem Inside your loving heart And here inside these valleys That are so full of energy We'll build a New Jerusalem With Love from You to Me Tim Blake (1978) ____________________________________________________________________________ Night of The Hawk ================= In all official circles Across this big wide world Between the radio stations A coded message heard No one knew the meaning All our efforts seem to fail But if they catch you listening Then they'll lock you up in jail So we found ourselves a place we did not know Tension in the air and a strange earthly glow Then amidst the noise of a thousand people's talk There came a cry "It's The Night of The Hawk!" The wind was raging, and the stars were black We all knew there was no turning back The gates of Hell stared in our face Nowhere to hide in this wasted space The curious folk who chanced to stray across this downland way Heard the music blast apart The games that politicians start On English land the people dance Like moths caught in a lamp Where tribes of wanton peacocks strut All waiting to encamp So we found ourselves a place we did not know Tension in the air and a strange earthly glow Then amidst the noise of a thousand people's talk There came a cry "It's The Night of The Hawk! ________________________________________________________________________ Note From a Cold Planet ======================= There is ice everywhere now, from pole to pole And we live in a kind of miserable twilight Mining what we can of the food we left behind Mining for Campbell's Soup and Birds-Eye peas For Heinz baked Beans and sliced Kraft cheese Yes all the food is frozen now all the food is frozen now Last year we struck a forest two hundred feet below It was perfectly preserved. It was as though Some cryogenic process petrified it in time It seemed a shame to drag it up and burn it But we've no choice if we wish to stay alive Yes, all the trees are frozen now all the trees are frozen now There are fourteen of us left in our group today Three of these are women: warriors from Mandalay The others are from Africa, America, Japan The English cannibal is, of course, a man He claims it is the price he has to pay Yes, all our hearts are frozen now all our hearts are frozen now I know for certain there is earth below the snow The land we lost only a few short years ago When in our euphoric ferocity we loosed the fires No water could extinguish. A hundred billion funeral pyres Their fumes became our shroud. There's nowhere left to go Yes, all our hopes are frozen now all our hopes are frozen now We denied ourselves the right to walk upon the Earth To walk upon the surface of our Earth We denied our rites, the lore of ancient wisdom We can no longer walk upon the surface of our Earth Denied the facts of death and the facts of birth Yes, all our Future's frozen now all our Future's frozen now ___________________________________________________________________________ Now is the Winter of Our Discontent =================================== Now is the winter of our discontent Made glorious summer by this sun of York And all the clouds that lower'd upon our house In the deep bosom of the ocean buried Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths Our bruised arms hung up for monuments Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings Our dreadful marches to delightful measures Grim-visag'd war hath smoothed his wrinkled front And now, instead of mounting barbed steeds To fright the souls of fearful adversaries He capers nimbly in a lady's chamber To the lascivious pleasing of a lute But I, that am not shap'd for sportive tricks Nor made to court an amourous looking-glass I, that am rudely stamp'd, and want love's majesty To strut before a wanton, ambling nymph I, that am curtailed of this fair proportion Cheated of feature by dissembling nature Deform'd, unfinished, sent before my time Into this breathing world, scarce half made up And that so lamely and unfashionable That dogs bark at me as I halt by them Why I in this weak piping time of peace Have no delight to pass away the time Unless to see my shadow in the sun And descant on mine own deformity And therefore since I cannot prove a lover To entertain these fair well-spoken days I am determined to prove a villain And hate the idle pleasures of these days Plots have I laid, inductions dangerous By drunken prophecies, libels and dreams [opening speech in Richard III] Can I do this, and cannot get a crown? Tut! were it further off, I'll pluck it down [Gloster (later Richard III) in Henry VI Part III act iii scene 2] ___________________________________________________________________________ Nuclear Drive ============= Before I had time to think about it And right before my eyes The machine had landed and the door was open wide I stepped inside the spaceship, a voice said "Take a seat man, do you want to cruise the Universe go where no one else has ever been?" With your nuclear drive With your nuclear drive With your nuclear drive With your nuclear drive But before I could answer The ship began to rise I looked out of the porthole And felt most peculiar inside Take me up the skyways Show me what you've seen I want to cruise the universe in your superspace machine With your nuclear drive With your nuclear drive With your nuclear drive With your nuclear drive _________________________________________________________________________ NUCLEAR TOY ( - Brock - ) Nuclear facts are hard to take Harrisburg, Windscale, it's no use to fake Potassium iodide radiation drug Won't save yourself from being a mug A generator pumping out active gas Polluting the atmosphere and killing en-masse Strontium-90 cancer in the blood Who's gonna pay for the radiation flood? It's a nuclear toy M4 missile cruising in the sky Setting off catastrophe in a flickering of an eye Radiation fallout it's a setting sun Looking down the barrel and firing the gun Nuclear death is sweeping the Earth Babies being born deformed from birth Mutations are working in the factories The landscape's full of artificial trees It's a nuclear toy _______________________________________________________________________ Ode To A Crystal Set (Calvert) ============================== There wasn't much to you at all. A pair Of headphones, and a knob to twiddle But you beat the sixgun and the saddle You were futuristic as Colonel Dare And so was I, in your bakelite 'phones Tuned-in, to the insect language of Morse Always at war with the alien force Of crackling static's interference zones And at night I listened to voices drone With your dark conches pressed against my ears And dreamt there were voices among the stars The privilege of hearing was mine alone With your earthed antenna divining air You traced the future of your trans-sisters Oracular wire, you were the cat's whiskers 'Til I heard the superheterodyne's blare --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ODE TO A TIME FLOWER (Calvert) Your calyx hides a nectary of time That with my fingers I could pluck as easily As sounding strings to recite their chime, And your most exquisite petals melt icily In my palm. To hold the flow of moments past As carefully as I would my last Few seconds left on Earth. Would that be crime? Or if I picked you just to see you turn To crystalled pearl in my eyes and learn How man is Angel on his way from slime. Did heedless Eve think twice before she broke The enjewelled fruit from its brittle stem. Or the first man to reach out and stroke The marijuana leaf, condemn Himself for greed when harvesting And burning such a golden thing. As this dreaming poet who just then spoke Of your sacredness, and is now prepared To do exactly as he first declared And make of his museful words a joke. But not quite as easy after all I find, as my fingers reach to grasp, Your gleaming head to wrench from its tall Transparent stalk, they refuse to clasp. As did Pandora's eager hands hold still At the thought of the box containing ill. Or the stoned explorers of Medusa stall For time not entered in their log Before they dared the petrific fog That holds them still in its timeless thrall. .......................... a nectary of time That with my fingers I could pluck as easily As sounding strings to recite their chime, And your most exquisite petals melt icily In my palm. To hold the flow of moments past As carefully as I would my last Few seconds left on Earth. Would that be crime? Or if I picked you just to see you turn To crystalled pearl in my eyes and learn How man is Angel on his way from slime .... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On the Case =========== On the case I'm not tired I'll be wired A bit strung out Never sleep Gotta keep her Hung out Check a lead Check a read.. Check a.. Check a.... Check a readout Find a clue And follow through Then eat out And now I'm clearing some confusion It's disappearing without a trace I'm on the case I'm on the case What's your name? What's your game? The details like a cop Can't stop Empty trails I suspect And detect A windup Making sense Evidence Is lined up Rainy night Neon light Reflection In a store window Saw a connection In the dark Shadow stark Don't crack up Work alone On your own No backup Ovaltine Nicotine Stained fingers Follow up Collar up Hat pulled down On the beat In an empty street Let's cool down Truth and Justice Voice of freedom All that must Disguise it's face When I'm on the case I'm on the case........ ___________________________________________________________________________ THE ONLY ONES ( - Calvert - Brock - ) Icarus flew too near the sun Into the blue his red wax did run He fell to the earth and sealed the scroll The daredevil angels our luck would unfold They are the only ones The chosen only ones They are the only ones who are free Half-human half-bird acsending so high No whisper is heard from deep in the sky On wings they climb, they beat and they soar Through space and time toward heaven's door In chariots of fury and flame We head for above to stake out our claim With radioscopes, electronic eyes We scan for our hopes in different skies ________________________________________________________________________ (ONLY) THE DEAD DREAMS OF THE COLD WAR KID ( - Calvert - ) If he blows his cover he might blow the lid So he stays in the shadows like he always did Deep in his trenchcoat secret papers are hid It's only the dead dreams of the cold war kid In a tower by the wall the machine gunners wait To type out the orders that seal his fate Deep in the shadows where he always hid It's only the dead dreams of the cold war kid Only the dead dreams of the cold war kid Secret career in counter espionage Covering his fear with clever camouflage Only the dead dreams of the cold war kid Only the dead dreams of the cold war kid Railway hotel with gun oil on the sheets The man at the harbour waited in the streets It's only the dead dreams of the cold war kid Only the dead dreams of the cold war kid __________________________________________________________________________ ORGONE ACCUMULATOR ( - Brock - Calvert - ) I've got an orgone accumulator It makes me feel greater I'll see you sometime later When I'm through with my accumulator It's no social integrator It's a one man isolator It's a back brain stimulator It's a cerebral vibrator Those energy stimulators Just turn your eyeballs into craters But an orgone accumulator Is a superman creator It's no social integrator It's a one man isolator It's a back brain stimulator It's a cerebral vibrator I've got an orgone accumulator And it makes me feel grater I'll see you sometime later When I'm through with my accumulator. __________________________________________________________________________ Oscillations ============ Sound vibrations in the air Can cause panic everywhere Reduce tall buildings into dust TV pictures to adjust Oscillations in my head All I hear is constant sound Makes my brain go round and round Makes my brain go round and round ____________________________________________________________________________ OUT OF THE SHADOWS ================== ( - Brock/Davey/Buckley - ) Out of the shadows And into the light Out of the background And into the fight Out of the jungles And back on the streets Out of the blizzard And into the heat Out of the rat race Into the lagoon Out of the stone age And onto the moon Out of the nameless Onto the front page Out of the basement Onto the Stage Out of the rainbow Into the black Out of the fox hole And into the flak Out of the shelters Under the Bomb bomb bomb..... ________________________________________________________________________ OVER THE TOP (LIVE) =================== [[Intro, stage banter]] This is a very heavy microphone stand. Aha, no queen could banish this I tell you that. This is a real man's microphone stand 'ere Dave. 'Ere, where d'you get these stands from? They're really heavy. So are you. Well we're gonna do something really heavy in a minute. Like, err.., fall off the stage on top of you, With about two hundredweight of iron in my hand. You're a very tiny person, aren't you? Eh? You're all very tiny down there. You know, when I'm up here, I feel so big and mighty, I feel like I'm the Master Of the Universe. You made me feel like that, And now, It's almost true. Just wait and see, What we do. Alright, cut the gypsy music. A band of gypsies... [[Begin song proper(?)]] All in a day's work, all in, all in. All in a day's work, all in, all in. All in a day's work, all in all. I would rather the firestorms of atmospheres Than this cruel descent from a thousand years of dream. Into the starkness of this capsule, That two of our crew still lie suspended, Cool in their tombs of sleep. The nagging choirs of memory, The tubes and wires worming from their flesh to machinery I would have to cut. Such midwifery is but one function Of the leader here. He's floating in a sac of fluid dark, a clear Century of space away from earth. One man stares from the trauma of his birth. Attending to the hypno-tapes, assuring him, This was reality, however grim. Oh our journey's end The landing itself was nothing; We touched upon a shelf of rock selected by the automind. And left the galaxy of dreams behind. And it's all a fable for fountains now. It's all a fable for fountains now. It's all a fable for fountains now. All your childhood dreams, all are a fable, For fountains now, For fountains now, Now now, Now now now, Fountains, fountains, All going up in fountains, fountains. All a fable for fountains now And just a minute now. When you look into my eyes, You're looking at your own reflection. And all you see is your disguise You wear for your own protection. So don't go telling me that you know just when to stop, When to stop. You know you go over the top. Over the top. It's over the top. Over the top. Hey he's going, over the top. Over the top, oh. Over the top, alright here it goes... In 1916, They dug the trenches. We don't need them; We have our own defences. We don't need no officers to blow no whistle and scream "Come on you guys wake up out of your dream And follow me Cos I'm going, Over the top. Over the top. Follow me over the top. Here goes now, Your country needs you." (Hey Kitchener, don't you know that moustaches went out with the Beatles?) Give me white feather! Give me white feather! Give me white feather! Hung upon the wire. Give me white feather! Give me white feather! Give me white feather! Hung upon the wire. Hung upon the wire. Strung on barbed wire. Huh, strung on barbed wire. Goodbye genocide..... ________________________________________________________________________ PARADOX ( - Brock - ) The story that I'm telling you Something that you can do Ask yourself and try to find the answer See the signs they're always there But you know you never care You're always looking for another reason Try to reach it's not too far See it as you really are Ask yourself to try and find the answer Always, always it's the same thing Try it, try it, you just can't win Circles, circles spinning round People, people always bring you down and down Round and round you go __________________________________________________________________________ The Phenomenon of Luminosity ============================ Friendship Seven: I'll try to describe what I'm in here. I'm in a big mass of some very small particles that are brilliantly lit up, like they're luminescent. I never saw anything like it. They're coming by the capsule, and they look like little stars. A whole shower of them coming by. ________________________________________________________________________ Processed ========= Every time I go out, I think I'm being checked out Faceless people watching on a TV screen Do you begin to sense it, just beneath the surface Reflections off a window whilst walking down the street Spying, lying, there's no denying You can't escape, just be discreet Computers are abused, school records are fed Police are checking on what you've said The number of your car's fed into a box Your journey's being checked, it's a paradox Duplicate forms and ID cards, are next in line to disregard Future generations are relying on us It's a world we've made - incubus We're processed, we're processed, we're processed ____________________________________________________________________________ Psi Power ========= When I was a kid in school They showed me symbols on a card Then they sent them from a locked and bolted room I had to fake that it was hard Circle, square, triangle, waves I got them crystal clear by the hour And all I said was "may I please take a rest?" I didn't want them to know I was possessed with Psi Power Psi Power Psi Power I can read your mind like a magazine I see where you're at I know what you mean I get all the secrets that you'd rather keep When I was a teenage kid and I hung around the streets I could see inside the mind of any girl that I wanted to meet Wave, triangle, circle, square They opened to me like a flower Would you like to have your mind carressed? Can't you feel that I'm possessed with Psi Power Psi Power Psi Power I can read your mind like a magazine I see where you're at I know what you mean I get all the secrets that you'd rather keep Psi Power Psi Power Psi Power I can read your mind like a magazine I see where you're at I know what you mean I get all the secrets that you'd rather keep It's like a radio you can't switch off There's no way to get peace of mind I'd like to live inside a lead-lined room And leave all this Psi Power behind Circle, square, triangle, waves It's a gift that soon turns sour Why don't they let me get some rest? It's too much to understand and to digest Psi Power Psi Power Psi Power I can read your mind like a magazine I see where you're at I know what you mean I get all the secrets that you'd rather keep _______________________________________________________________________ PSYCHEDELIC WARLORDS (Disappear In Smoke) ( - Brock - ) We're sick of politicians harassment and laws All we do is get screwed up by other people's flaws World turned upside down now there's nothing else to do But live in concrete jungles that just block up the view And that ain't no joke, you can disappear in smoke And that ain't no joke, you can disappear in smoke I'm telling you, that ain't no lie You think you know the answers but we don't tell no lies We can take you anyway thro' seven different highs World turned upside down now, there's nothing else to do, but live in concrete jungles, but they block up the views ________________________________________________________________________ Psychosis ========= We have malfunction on screens Switching to computer override now __________________________________________________________________________ Psychosonia (Moorcock, Bainbridge, Lloyd-Langton, Brock, Griffin) ----------- Abu-Wabu Abu-Wabu Mabu-Dabu Mabu-Dabu Aka-Taba Aka-Taba Kata-Bata Kata-Bata Da-Da-Da-Da-Da-Da-Da Da-Da-Da-Da-Da-Da-Da Tee aitch ee why Aey are and ee Tee are why i En and a jee Tee and an o Are o bee You and an ess Oh eff oh you are Are i jee aitch tee Tee and an o See oem em You en i see Aey tee and ee Silence is a virtue and speaking is crime If you're dumb you're happy And if you're dumb you're mine I've got you where I want you I'll hold you till I'm through Just listen to these words I'm giving you _________________________________________________________________________ PXR5 ( - Brock - ) Two years ago our nova-drive failed and we drifted in space But now repaired our motors run to continue the race Three of our crew who were with us then did not survive Their life supports could not take the strain and so they died And so we search until we find the answers that we left behind, and we go from star to star to find the dream And we will pursue the race that made us journey into space and led us to become a seed of life, PXR5, PXR5 Robots call, but we don't answer to their wail Computers hum and bright lights flash to no avail The course has been set for us to go in light years past Outlaws of time, visions of an ancient cast And so we search until we find the answers that we left behind, and we go from star to star to find the dream And we will pursue the race that made us outlaws of this space and led us to become a seed of life, PXR5, PXR5 _________________________________________________________________________ QUARK, STRANGENESS AND CHARM ( - Brock - Calvert - ) Einstein was not a handsome fellow Nobody ever called him Al He had a long moustache to pull on It was yellow I don't believe he ever had a girl One thing he missed out in his theory of time, space and relativity Is something that makes it very clear He was never gonna score like you'n'me He didn't know about Quark, Strangeness and Charm I had a dangerous liason To have been found out would've been a disgrace We had to rendezvous some days on The corner of an undiscovered place We got sick of chat chat chatter and the look upon everybody's face But all that does not anti-matter now We've found ourselves a black hole in space And we're talking about Quark, Strangeness and Charm Copernicus had those Renaissance ladies Crazy about his telescope And Galileo had a name that made his reputation higher than his hopes Did none of those astronomers discover While they were staring out into the dark That what a lady looks for in her lover is Charm, Strangeness and Quark. ________________________________________________________________________ Rambo In Space ============== I wear a helmet But I've got a bare chest I do some talking But my phaser does the rest Don't like your tentacles Don't like your face Don't like your planet I'll just lay it to waste Because I'm Rambo in space I'm Rambo in space. I go for first strike Nuclear Attack put me in retro But I'm bouncing right back I've got a spaceship Loaded with guns Substitute penis And here it comes Because I'm Rambo in space I'm Rambo in space. The hand of freinship's No hand of mine Too many fingers Some gook design I ain't got time for diplomacy I murder aliens So men can be free Because I'm Rambo in space I'm Rambo in space. They tried to test me Those Sigmund Freuds But I just hid among The asteroids Space vigilante's What they call me The greatest threat to peace In the whole galaxy Because I'm Rambo in space I'm Rambo in space. The Universe is mirrored in my head Great empty spaces Brain cells all dead The Moon caught fire My parents died Eternal vengeance Has messed me up inside And so I'm Rambo in space I'm Rambo in space. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- REEFER MADNESS ( - Brock - Calvert - ) Open your eyes, you'll get a surprise, evil is sweeping the nation, It's killing your sons and what merely stuns is Your daughters are out for sensation When they turn on their morals are gone They don't really know what they're doing It's a teenage malaise, a dangerous craze Leading their bodies to ruin Reefer madness has stolen all their souls Reefer madness is right out of control Evil reefer madness is a mind eating troll Marijuana monster is stalking the streets You know what he's after and you know what he eats He gobbles your body and spits out your mind If you don't believe it then you must be blind Reefer madness has stolen all their souls Reefer madness is right out of control Evil reefer madness is a mind eating troll Marijuana's real enough Marijuana's real enough Marijuana's real enough One night I was smoking dope, when I looked at my hand, and I saw that I had eleven fingers, one of these fingers fell from my hand, onto the carpet, crawled across the floor, Up on my shelf, inside my piggy bank and stole my stash, stole my stash. Reefer madness has stolen their souls Reefer madness is right out of control Evil reefer madness is a mind eating troll. ______________________________________________________________________ The Right Stuff =============== I don't feel fear or panic And nothing brings me down I'm an aerospaceage warrior I can fly sideways through sound My reflexes and reactions Are as fast as a machine I'm the right stuff baby The right stuff I'm the right stuff baby The right stuff Just watch my trail When the dial needle flickers Around mach one or two And something happens suddenly I know exactly what to do My hands move without thinking And my feet like lightning too I'm the right stuff baby The right stuff The right stuff baby The right stuff I never fail My nerves are made of steel And my eyes are eagle sharp And what would freak the average man Does not affect my heart Not even if this jinxy jet Should shake itself apart 'cause I'm the right stuff baby The right stuff The right stuff baby The right stuff As hard as nails I never fail Just watch my trail ___________________________________________________________________________ Right to Decide =============== I'm a digital citizen safe in my room I've got my video to relieve the gloom My mind's on a circuit with the news on a screen Life's a no-go area it's so obscene 'cause you can't do this, you can't do that. You can't go forward and you can't go back. I'm a plugged in person, I'm a TV fan but there's so many things that I don't understand Why do you want to steal? When on TV it's not real It's a viewing game 'cause you can't do this, you can't do that. You can't go forward and you can't go back. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ROBOT ( - Calvert - Brock - ) Nine to five or ten to six, up to the city and back to the sticks You've got to unwind your mind, you've got to unwind your mind Sit back, switch on, your face has got a twitch on Your fuses are blown out in a double bind Air-conditioned, psycho-analysed, you're very nearly human, you're so well disguised Robot, Robot, you're a Robot, Robot You're warm when it's cold, you're cool when it's hot Your life is recorded on a micro-dot, Robot, Robot You'd hold the whole world in your metal claws if it wasn't for the three laws of robotics Automated homunculus, you queue for the paper You queue for the bus, you're a "good morning" machine You're a "how are you?" device Sit back, light up, never put a fight up Sit there fuming until your face goes green Air conditioned, and desensitised, you're very nearly human You're so well disguised Robot, Robot I am a robot I am your slave I can not harm you I can only obey The Three Laws _______________________________________________________________________ ROCKY PATHS ( - Huw & Marion Lloyd-Langton - ) Rocky paths winding round, the inspiration is to be found Following us now with sound coming from earthy ground Keeping up an open mind In everyone you will find a path to help you climb the walls built up by time Never close yourself to more, learn we can, that's for sure And it isn't hard to ignore a heart that has an open door _______________________________________________________________________ Running Through the Backbrain ============================= Running through my backbrain in the morning I think that what I'm getting is a warning Messages are scrambled but they're urgent Something in the cortex 'bout detergent I think it's coming clearer I can see it in the mirror Heading for a relapse Clogging up the synapse Or is it just Cassandra yawning? Killers in the streets are wearing striped pants They are interfering with my larynx My brother and my sister joined the army They promise that they do not mean to harm me Messages messages Persecution Persecution messages messages..... Now it's growing dimmer I can see the mirror shimmer Sounds are getting stranger warning me of danger Or can it be that I am merely tired? There's a roaring in my ears that will not die And signals in the sky I can't identify My eyes are melting and my lips are moving And the words that I am hearing are not soothing Breathing's getting harder There's nothing in the larder The building's falling over Or the Sun is going nova Or is it my old-fashioned paranoia? I think that it's important information giving me my future destination Fragments of mysterious conversation Lend the game a frightening complication I know they're trying to tell me What can they want to sell me? The floor is undulating My bones are soft and aching Or have I temporarily lost my bearing? Every little sound is charged with meaning Percentage bandits riding out of Ealing Stuttering, shouting, crying, and declaiming Sentences are waxing, now they're waning A myriad of letters >From my elders and my betters The Killer's moving faster He tells me that he's my master Or was he just asking me "the time please?" ____________________________________________________________________________ Sadness Runs Deep ================= I have the dream in the palm of my hand but if I fell off that tightrope on which side would I land? Insecurity and freedom, it's a narrow path don't know what she wants now ('cos I've ) forgotten how to laugh. Frightening thoughts spin, around my head betrayal and misery, things that were said deep-down inside me the sadness runs deep the only release from the torture comes when I'm asleep all of these feelings are trapped deep-down inside for you it's a joke now I've got nowhere to hide. Send someone to help me, I'm lonely and I'm scared I was gonna pile up, my emotions they were bared my weak points they were noted, put away for future use she says that she loves me, as she tightens up the noose. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- THE SEA KING Sinking deeper beneath the waves Mind now resigned, accepts his fate Ancient alliance creeps into his thoughts Unbid to him comes a rune once taught Sea King comes to him - Sea King, to save him Unsure whether he's dreaming or dead Seeing the face that his youth has bred {Slowly} realizing that to him has come His ancestors' ally, friend only to some {Sea King comes to him - Sea King, to save him} He sees that his life is safe His foe Yrkoon has failed The deed that was to finish him Has come to no avail Sea King comes to him - Sea King, to save him To his kingdom he is now bound The sea around him is his shroud Age old wisdom has set him free So to realize his destiny Sea King has come to him - Sea King, to save him __________________________________________________________________________ The Secret Agent ================ I was trained in Arizona, in a secret desert camp where we did night manoeuvres without a lighted lamp. I've got an old worn Trilby hat that doesn't keep me dry when the rain falls on my mac plays havoc with the dye I wear my dark shades every day of the year when I see my reflection it strikes a note of fear. I've got a dozen gadgets concealed in my clothes I've got some suicide pills that taste like herb of cloves I've not got a single friend just my armpit gun and when I go to bed at night it certainly helps me son I'm always getting in tight spots I manage to escape by either jumping off a train or swimming in a lake soon I'm in a right state I'm a secret agent there's nowhere you can hide I'm a secret agent taking you for a ride what's your name what's your game details never stop work alone on your own collar up, hat pulled down on the beach, with a peach sometimes good, sometimes bad drinking coffee, feeling sad. There's one thing that I want to be involved with That's Truth and Justice and I sincerely mean that. And if everybody was involved in Truth and Justice There would be no need for secret agents. That's what happens when you get in tight spots. He's in a tight spot I've yet to crack-up Ain't got no backup what's your name what's your game A bit strung out Ain't got no backup I'm beginning to crack-up Think I'll go bankrupt It's all confusion disappearing without a trace I'm a secret agent He's in a tight spot Attention, Attention REPEAT VERSE 1 and everybody rushes away to hide certainly take you for a ride baby! baby! (listen) REPEAT VERSE 2 That's because I'm in a tight spot He's in a tight spot I like tight spots He's in a tight spot What's your name, what's your game Details never stop. Working alone on your own There's no backup beginning to crack-up no backup beginning to crack-up It's a rainy night, neon light rainy night, neon light rainy night, neon light Beginning to crack-up Ain't got no backup -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SEVEN BY SEVEN ( - Brock - ) Lost am I in this world of timelessness and woe Can I find the doorways through which I must go Is the key to this plane too much for me to try to gain Is the passport to this world my astral soul 7 signs rode on 7 stars, 7 ways to find the long lost bards 7 days became 7 years, while Pocus laughed and called foul jeers 7 times he cursed the 7 tears, each one became their 7 fears What is lost is never gained again, I've cast the spell that eternity chained No more to cry o' mortal soul, the astral path is now your fortuitous role. __________________________________________________________________________ Shot down in the Night ====================== Numbers called as they're waiting in a line Camouflaged like a jungle snake Acting tough, just enough 'til they start to break Then they're off with a rush of adrenalin Holding on to a world unseen the only sound is the pumping of the great machine [chorus:] The secret's only for a few Superpower looks down on you Someone's watching every move You can break the lock and turn on the light ? You know your danger feelings are right Try to run or put up a fight You'll be shot down in the night Shot down like an animal See them run like rats from the factory Push them out to the twilight zone Let them feed on their needs 'til they're overthrown Take them up to a place in the gallery Show them God with an angel face Curtain call for the fall Of the Human race Play it straight and it seems like a mystery Tell the truth and it sounds like lies Looking down at the ground With your angry eyes Play the game and you'll see there's a difference Join the ranks and you'll get your kicks See the world, and the girls, and the dirty tricks ________________________________________________________________________ SILVER MACHINE ( - Brock - Calvert - ) I just took a ride in a silver machine and I'm still feeling mean I got a silver machine Do you want to ride see yourself going by other side of the sky Well I got a silver machine It flies sideways through time It's an electric line To your Zodiac sign It flies out of a dream It's antiseptically clean You're gonna know where I've been In my silver machine _______________________________________________________________________ SLEEP OF A THOUSAND TEARS zWith your white arms wrapped around me And locked in embraces so cold We slept a 1000 years or more To awake in a land of gold Where, the king of the world was a creature Both man and woman and beast And the landscape boiled with a million strange flowers And the sun set in the east And we were heroes you and I By virtue of age and skill And we rode to a land At the edge of the sky To an emerald tower on a hill _______________________________________________________________________ Social Alliance =============== A social alliance, are you in distress? Just contact me and I'll do my best She said "I'm a person, so don't abuse me" You know I am a doctor of the third degree We're part of a structure That needs no consent You think you're the same Now we're all different Jeanie lives for fashion And I live to fight Before life was easy Now we're creatures of the night We're creatures of the night We're creatures of the night We're creatures of the night Creatures of the night Don't miss the sensation It's never too late If you think you're ready There's no need to wait Can your mind take it? Do you really care? _____________________________________________________________________________ Solitary Mind Games =================== Unbelieving Non-receiving Mind is in a Void Unforgiven Bodydriven Striving to avoid Anger growing Can't help knowing Hiding from the pain Everlasting Grains of Truth are Gnawing at his brain Now he wonders Fears but wonders Where it all will end Never certain Far from certain Can the future mend? Conscience torn out Doesn't know how He will ever find Peace of mind in Warlike visions Tormenting all his kind _________________________________________________________________________ SONG OF THE SWORDS A clash of steel A blinding light Is this the start of Chaos' fight? We were born to be free Not live in terror under tyrrany [My eyes were blind I could not see What was this kind of sorcery? I heard a murmuring in the night Black swords hanging cold as ice Will they lead me to Paradise?] Take up the sword And take up me The Chaos lord's answer is to be "Your path is chosen, you have no choice Come join us now", thus spoke the voice Paradise, is this my Paradise? The cool brain tortured by neurotic fears The man of ice melts in shameless tears The journey onward, it never ends When you're alone with so few friends... __________________________________________________________________________ Sonic Attack ============ In case of Sonic Attack on your district, follow these rules..... If you are making love it is imperative to bring all bodies to orgasm simultaneously Do not waste time blocking your ears. Do not waste time seeking a soundproof shelter. Try to get as far away from the sonic source as possible, but do not panic..... Use your wheels. It is what they are for. Small babies may be placed inside the special cocoons, which should be left if possible, in a shelter. Do not attempt to use your own limbs. If no wheels are available, metal, not organic, limbs should be employed whenever practical..... Remember, in the case of Sonic Attack, Survival does mean every man for himself. Statistically more people survive if they think only of themselves. Do not attempt to rescue friends, relatives, or loved ones. You have only a few seconds to escape. Use those seconds sensibly or you will inevitably die. Do not panic. Think only of yourselves.... These are the first signs of Sonic Attack: You will notice small objects, such as ornaments, oscillating. You will notice a vibration in your vertebrae. You will hear a distant hissing in your ears. You will feel dizzy. You will feel the need to vomit. There will be bleeding from orifices. There will be an ache in the pelvic region. You may be subject to fits of hysterical shouting, or even laughter. These are all signs of imminent Sonic destruction. Your only real protection is flight. If you are less than ten years old, then remain in your shelter and use your cocoon. But remember: You can help no-one else, No-one else, No-one else...... ________________________________________________________________________ SPACE IS DEEP ( - Brock - ) Space is dark, it is so endless, when you're lost it's so relentless It is so big, it is so small, why does man try to act so tall, Is this the reason deep in our minds. It does not feel, it does not die, space is neither truth nor lie Into the void we have to travel, to find the clue which will unravel Is this the reason deep in our minds The secret lies with our tomorrow, in each of us is a hidden sorrow The path goes onward through the night beyond the realms of ancient light. Is this the reason deep in our minds ___________________________________________________________________________ Space Travellers ================ Turning star projections A voice across the screen Surreal landscapes that flash at intervals Where life has always been Star travellers in their coma Faces deathly white Unaware of the galaxy That drifts past them in the night Signals Signals Lightbulb Lightbulb Signals Signals Lightbulb Lightbulb Signals Signals Lightbulb Lightbulb......... ____________________________________________________________________ SPIRIT OF THE AGE ( - Brock - Calvert - ) I would've liked you to have been deep frozen too And waiting still as fresh in your flesh for my return to earth But your father refused to sign the forms to freeze you Let's see you'd be about 60 now, and long dead by the time I return to earth My time held dreams were full of you as you were when I left, still underage Your android replica is playing up again it's no joke When she comes she moans another's name But that's the spirit of the age, that's the spirit of tha age I am a clone, I am not alone Every fibre of my flesh and bone is identical to the others Everything I say is in the same tone as my test tube brother's voice And there's no choice between us, if you had ever seen us you'd rejoice in your uniqueness And consider every weakness something special of your own Being a clone I have no flaws to identify Even this doggerel that flows from my pen Has just been written by another twenty telepathic men Word for word it says "Oh, for the wings of any bird other than a battery hen". __________________________________________________________________________ Sputnik Stan ============ They call me Sputnik Stan I view the Earth from a garbage can I'm in Earth's orbit It's a junkyard, man It's just a job, I'm a satellite junkman They call me Sputnik Stan Spaceways maintenance man I see a satellite about to fade Got to collect Weigh it in and get paid My name's Stan I've been commissioned By the Alien Federation To collect all this junk Floating around in space So don't you go nicking it 'Cause it's all mine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STANDING AT THE EDGE ( - Moorcock - House - King - Powell - ) We're standing on the edge The edge of time And it is dark, so dark on the edge of time And we're tired of making love We are the lost, we are the ravaged We are the unkind We are the soldiers at the edge of time And we're tired of making love Where are our children Where are our fathers Where is our desire And it's cold, so cold on the edge of time Where is our joy Where is our hope Where is our fire And it's cold, so cold on the edge of time We are the lost, we are the forgotten We are the undying We are the soldiers at the edge of time The veterans of a thousand psychic wars We are ths soldiers at the edge of time The victims of the savage truth We are the soldiers at the edge of time And we're tired of making love _______________________________________________________________________ Star Cannibal ============= Jaws of blue open wide the sky Silence split with thunder men who fly Descend the jaws of cosmic brood For their appetite we the fleshly food Rising souls and carcassed bone Fleshless remains in every home Onwards crunching munching men Star Cannibal has come again Flesh fondue - main course stew Of his unearthly human crew He partakes of us at will Enigmatic one we cannot kill Flesh fondue - main course stew Of his unearthly human crew _______________________________________________________________________ Starflight ========== READY? Ready. R for Ruminant LARGACTIL: FIVE MILLIGRAMMES Check VALIUM: TEN MILLIGRAMMES Check HALIPERIDOL: FIVE MILLIGRAMMES Which? THE LITTLE WHITE ONES. W FOR WHITE OK Check PHENOBARBITONE: FIVE MILLIGRAMMES Check DISIPEL: FIVE MILLIGRAMMES Check GLASS OF WATER Check Our Father Which art in Heaven Mea Culpa Mea Culpa Mea Maxi Ma Culpa......... _______________________________________________________________________ STEPPENWOLF ( - Brock - Calvert - ) You can see my eyes are lupine The liquid golden fires glare My loping walk, my slinking spine Are signs that there is something there The way my nostrils flare for odours The way my ears prick up for sound My hair's electrically aware Tells me things for miles around I am a man-wolf, I am a wolf man I have half a canine mind I have half the mind of man I am neither of one kind Maybe it was only an hallucination I'm no stranger to such things I made a thorough investigation The image had a power that clings To my jaded imagination My brain has found the bells it rings Like a wolf my wilful loafing My languishing alone in my lair Where you will never hear me laughing I'm half in love with dark and despair The Moon's a howling, mouth of mercury Quicksilver quivering in the sky It echoes like a cave of chromium That'll vacuum up my soul when I die I am a wolf man, I am a man-wolf A freak, a fiend, a figment of mind A species of the steppes and city I am neither of one kind Dissolving in the slendour of this desolation The forest has been filled by a fog Exactly a description of my isolation I made a note of it in my log To the secret of all creation I follow my own trail like a dog I am a wolf man who walks alone in the gas lamp Shadows of the streets at night I am a man-wolf upright on two feet in the city dressed somberly as a man I am a wolf man under skies heavy with snow My eyes are convex lenses of ebony embedded in amber I am a man-wolf The fat bourgeois and his dopple ganger are buried in their solid glare Twin specimens of insect set for display I am a wolf-man, the man in me would kill the wolf I am a man-wolf, the wolf in me would eat the man I am a wolf man, who despises the striving of common men Who sees them at work, at their daily tasks at factories and office desks Who watches them at evening, elbows lift at tavern tables, heads lolling in song Ich weiss nicht was ich sagen soll I saw a neon sign reflected in a pool of liquid sky It was not what I expected I was only walking by The sign said "to the magic theatre" It is not for everyone It is but for madmen only, the first performance has begun I looked up to see that notice where the lights were shining from Nothing but blank wall was there and their reflection too was gone Maybe it was only an hallucination I'm no stranger to such things I made a thorough investigation The image had a power that clings To my jaded imagination My brain has found the bell it rings __________________________________________________________________________ Streets of fear (Brock) --------------- What is this that I see here You're walking through the streets of fear What is this did I consent Armed guard of punishment What is life and what is death You may laugh or gasp for breath I ride the streets now filled with hate Carve pathways through the lines of fate With my energising ray Power is the game I play I can murder steal or rape Panic is the rule I make Panic is the rule I make Panic is the rule I make _________________________________________________________________________ SWEET MISTRESS OF PAIN ( - Brock - ) Feel the pain burning, reaching up your spine How your body shudders higher as you climb You're reaching for the sky as the lash descends Tingling stars of fire, burning in your head Lightning in you opening eyes, bursting thoughts of power Feel the velvet whip turning sweet thoughts to sour Down and down you slowly slide Your burning body under mine Together a world with legs entwined Silky skin with hardened lines The scent of leather in the air The colours change not really there You taste the sweetness of the pain Will you ever climb so high again ___________________________________________________________________________ Sweet Obsession =============== I'm standing at the station waiting just to see your face I'm looking in shop windows whilst trying to retrace I received your letter, though the information's clear I want to keep the feeling going, not let it disappear All the time we've spent together, memories of the past The future holds the key forever, let's make the future last Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession My sweet obsession I received your letter, though the information's clear I want to keep the feeling going, not let it disappear All the time we've spent together, memories of the past The future holds the key forever, let's make the future last I received your letter, though the information's clear I want to keep the feeling going, not let it disappear Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession My sweet obsession Your confession......... ________________________________________________________________________ Sword of the East ================= A starless night Colder than death The sand dunes of life Hold their breath My eyes are closed Dreaming for you The holy wars Time will subdue Hot desert winds Never cease Forgive their sins Sword of the East Your swords of steel Have turned to guns Your desert steed Has been outrun And now you hide Under the night To wait for dawn To continue the fight Hot desert winds Never cease Forgive their sins Sword of the East Gather up the fallen! The children you bear Are born into war Their eyes of despair Your generals ignore So now you dream Of mysterious lands Warm blood of the past Still flows in the sand Hot desert winds Never cease Forgive their sins Sword of the East _________________________________________________________________________ Technicians of Spaceship Earth ============================== We are all co-pilots of Spaceship Earth We are out of control We have lost control Our airlocks are threatened by cosmic rays Invasions from the wounded galaxies By the ectoplasmic leeches of pure enthusiasm And the souls of erection joy Our portholes daubed with mind-eating acids That corrode the perspex shields of vision Our computers have gone crazy And are in need of electrotherapy Our fuel tanks dream of explosion Taste and scent phones send messages Of peace from long lost Earth We are all co-pilots of spaceship Earth Soul brothers in a coma We have lost control Technicians of Spaceship Earth Your captain is dead Your captain is speaking Your captain is dead This is your captain speaking Your captain is dead --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TEN SECONDS OF FOREVER ( - Calvert - ) In the tenth second of forever, I thought of the sea and a white yacht drifting... In the ninth second of forever, I thought of a leaf, a stone, the plastic fragment of the child's toy... In the eighth second of forver, I remembered a warm room where voices played... In the seventh second of forever, I thought of the life I would not lead... In the sixth second of forever, I saw your mouth whispering something I could not hear... In the fifth second of forever, I thought of the vermillion deserts of Mars, the jewelled forests of Venus... In the fourth second of forever, I could remember nothing that I did not love... In the third second of forever, I thought of rain against a window and I thought of the wind... In the second second of forever, I thought of the pair of broken shades lying on the tarmac... In the first and final second of forever, I thought of the long past that had led to now and never... never... never... never... __________________________________________________________________________ The Timeship Will Not Sail Again ================================ The ghosts of unborn children play with toys The memories of the future are a wild confusing noise And we cannot stick to flashes of the future we have seen And we can't act for terror Of what will be and what we've been And we're frozen in a time trap And we're slowly losing power And we're frightened if we makes a move That the dream will still go sour There are memories all around us And images of the past And the crying of the children keeps us tied round the mast But the timeship will not sail again Until we find our nerves And the timeship cannot fight again "til we know who it is we serve And the memories of the future Are a weapon in their hands And we'll always be defenseless Until we make a stand The timeship cannot sail again Until we make a stand The timeship cannot fight again 'til we give up all we've gained The timeship cannot ride again 'til we give up all we've gained And smash the memories of the future Forever we're aftaid The timeship cannot sail again The timeship cannot sail again The timeship cannot sail again ________________________________________________________________________ They've Got Your Number ======================= They got your number, they got your name You are the one they will blame Accused of being the leader of the pack You are the one who wouldn't turn his back They try everything, but it's all turned out the same "They lied" you said, but you know that you will still be framed They got your number, they got your name They got your number, they got your name Do you not now see what their problem is They can't accept your solution Though we all see that you pay the price The rest of your days will be spent in seclusion They try everything, but it's all turned out the same "They lied" you said, but you know that you will still be framed They got your number, they got your name They got your number, they got your name __________________________________________________________________________ Time For Sale ============= Roll up everybody, here's an offer you can't refuse. If you're wasted price'll show ya' more surprise if you've got the blues Wouldn't you like to tell that card from way back before you fail? Why don't you take a look at my stock, I've got time for sale. Works out quite expensive but you've a lot of time to pay So don't be apprehensive come on, buy up the time today Wouldn't you like to tell that card from way back before you fail? Oh Why don't you take a look at my stock, I've got time for sale. time for sale. time for sale. time for sale. Got what you need - it's all guarenteed You can have a time of a whale If the boss don't suit ya - you can try on the ledger You don't have to pay on the nail - I've got time for sale. 'ere.....D'you wanna buy some time? Want to buy some time? Coz' I've got second-hand time for sale. second hand time second hand time for sale. Take a look in his pouch You see what I see there? That's Helen Of Troy there! - He got Helen Of Troy there! You can have her if you pay for time second-hand time first hand time I've got first hand time, once upon a time a second a second a second a second I sicken for this time second hand time time time first hand time time time I can sell to you an hour or a complete eternity I can sell to you the power to have complete immortality Wouldn't you like to be the boy who could make the old mantra quale Lying in the arms of Helen Of Troy I've got time for sale -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TIME WE LEFT (THIS WORLD TODAY) ( - Brock - ) Time we left this world today Time we left this world today Time we left this world today So many people seem to say "Time we left this world today" They watch you as you seem to say "Time we left this world today" They watch you as you walk the street Cast sly glances at who you meet Brain police are not far behind Trying to make you lose your minds Time we left this world today Watch you as you walk the streets Make you sit in your house and say "Time we left this world today" So many people seem to say "Time we left this world today" ___________________________________________________________________________ TRANSDIMENSIONAL MAN ( - Brock - ) Where the speed of light breaks thro' Changing shapes distort the view Red rimmed stars, tear-drops of light I can vanish into the night Chorus: With laser eyes I will awake Panic is the rule I make Trace my background identikit A source of light which shall emit I see what no one fortells I can travel down to hell I know what is often said Written in the book of the dead I can travel anyway With my energising ray And I'll visit in your room Appearing from within the gloom Watch me take you in your dreams Cascading iridescent light beams Fingers curling in the sun Reaching for what has begun Suddenly I hear all your lies See all the secrets of 1000 eyes But you may laugh or gasp for breath What is life and what is death _________________________________________________________________________ Treadmill ========= I'm so distant and so cold I've lived too long and I'm so old I've tried so many different ways I've watched each one of them decay Mechanics battle for the ages While we are leafing through the pages The office blocks from which we march The mirrored shades of the patriarch Caught by streams of constant motion Most of the workers have no notion Sitting glued to computer screens Fingers raised - " must finish the scene" Lounge lizards in penthouse flats May soon find out where it's at They gnaw away our hard earned pay We walk the treadmill every day I'm so distant and so cold I've lived too long and I'm so old I've tried so many different ways I've watched each one of them decay I can't expound before the ages While we are leafing through the pages The office block from which we march The mirrored shades of the Patriarch ________________________________________________________________________ TV Suicide ========== ( - Bainbridge - ) All our life Is squarely pictured An eye on the world It's no mystery Grazing with the handset Is a nightly feature Everything I need is on my TV Soft soap, Hard Sell Infrared Remote Control Your finger is on the button But whose got your soul? Soft Soap, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell Can you tell the difference? Soft Soap, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell Ha Ha You can't get better Soft Soap, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell Hit pain where it hurts Soft Soap, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell Don't hold back Soft Soap, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell Have I ever let you down? Soft Soap, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell Trust Me, Trust Me Soft Soap, Hard Sell, Come on down the price is hell _______________________________________________________________________ UNCLE SAM'S ON MARS ( - House - Brock - Calvert - King - ) Shoals of dead fish float on the lakes, but Uncle Sam's on Mars And science is making the same mistakes, but Uncle Sam's on Mars No one down here knows how to work the brakes, but Uncle Sam's on Mars Uncle Sam's on Mars, Uncle Sam's on Mars, Uncle Sam's on Mars, he's on Mars Layers of smoke in the atmosphere have made the earth too hot to bear The Earth might be a desert soon, America has left the Moon Uncle Sam's on Mars, Uncle Sam's on Mars, Uncle Sam's on Mars, he's on Mars He's digging for dreams in the red sand He's got his bucket and spade in his left hand He's digging for dreams He's looking for life What's he doing out there? He's looking for life Looking for life There may be life out there (Nixon to Armstrong - July 21st 1969:) I'm talking to you by telephone from the Oval Room in the White House. And this certainly must be the most exciting telephone call ever made here on Earth. I just can't tell you how proud we all are. For every American this has to be the proudest day of their lives. And for people all over the world, I'm sure they too join with us in recognising what a tremendous achievement this is. For one priceless moment in the whole history of Man...... MacDonalds Hamburger Construction works And he's looking for life Looking for life to wipe out He's looking for life to stamp out He's looking for life to grind out He's looking for life, so mind out I hope you brought your credit card with you, and I hope you know how to drive on these long, lonely freeways and intersections we've got up here. We've got two cars in the garage, two cars in the garage, and drum-majorettes in white ankle socks and baton twirling on Sundays. We've got stripes and the stars and Uncle Sam's on, Uncle Sam's on, Uncle Sam's on, Mars.... ________________________________________________________________________ URBAN GUERILLA ( - Brock - ) I'm an urban guerilla I make bombs in my cellar I'm a derelict dweller I'm a potential killer I'm a street fighting dancer I'm a revolutionary romancer My rising sign is Cancer I'm a two-tone panther So let's not talk of love and flowers And things that don't explode We've used up all of our magic powers Trying to do it in the road I'm a political bandit And you don't understand it You took my dream and canned it It is not the way I planned it I'm society's destructor I'm a petrol bomb constructor I'm a cosmic light conductor I'm the people's debt collector So watch out Mr. Business Man Your empire's about to blow I think you'd better listen, man In case you did not know _________________________________________________________________________ Utopia '84 ========== Utopia, Utopia, Utopia Welcome to Utopia Planet of your wildest dreams Where everbody drives a Cadillac car And the streets are paved with hamburgers And the rivers run with Watney's draught Red Barrel Utopia, where all your needs are catered for Anticipated, calculated All your wants are monitored, programmed, computer formulated We know you will be very happy here Nobody has complained Yet...... ___________________________________________________________________________ Valium Ten ---------- When you start to think of it She began to moan and shout Riding in my car at night She began to scream and fight She began to moan and shout When I got my valium out When you start to think of it She began to moan and shout Moan and shout Moan and shout..... _________________________________________________________________________ VIRGIN OF THE WORLD (Experiment with Destiny) [Church of Hawkwind version] In the mirrors of myth The secrets of these timeless layers unfold Their echoes in the future Traces of times past untold Is there anything left to me In this experiment with destiny [lyrics printed in Church of Hawkwind booklet but not used] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- VIRGIN OF THE WORLD [Sonic Attack version] ( - Bainbridge - ) The fire's burned, the ashes spread The lifted light hears all that's said We are undead _________________________________________________________________________ Void City ========= There is nothing wrong with your television set Do not attempt to adjust the picture We are controlling the transmission If we wish to make it louder We will bring up the volume If we wish to make it softer We will tune it to a whisper We will control the horizontal We will control the vertical We can roll the image, make it flutter We can change the focus to a soft blur Or sharpen it to crystal clarity For the next hour, sit quietly And we will control all that you see and hear We repeat: there is nothing wrong with your television set You are about to participate in a great adventure You are about to experience the awe and mystery Which reaches from the inner mind To The Outer Limits Void City here we come... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Waiting for Nati ================ ????????????? It was bursting out in Spring An energy to drown everything You and I ????? ????? love On the first day I did declare to you Not before I never felt the way I do You and I We fell in love Now it's Spring again Yes a whole year has passed And that old cosmic magic has worked at last It's your birthday ??????????? It's there for all to see Yes it's growing and feeling ????? Nati, Nati You made me feel a man at last And she's waiting and breathing And loving and feeling And you to me Nati ???? child of love Oh little child of freedom Shine like a god You made me feel a man at last And we're living and breathing And feeling and loving And you for me -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Waiting for Tomorrow ==================== Moon streaming through the trees I wonder what this means Clouds forming into swords Shining like I've never seen Waiting for tomorrow Hiding from tomorrow Waiting for tomorrow Hide from all our sorrows Words written in the sky Tell me, could this be a dream? Silently, pilots are circling Waiting for the unforseen Red alert goes through the world The heavens are opening Run to the shelter nearest you Our planet's running out of steam Waiting for tomorrow Hiding from tomorrow Waiting for tomorrow Hide from all our sorrows Moon turning red, the trees are dead I wonder what this means Clouds have changed to sheets of mist Like I've never seen Waiting for tomorrow Hiding from tomorrow Waiting for tomorrow Hide from all our sorrows Stars are fading from the sky Tell me, could this be a dream? Silently, pilots land Waiting for the unforseen Waiting for the unforseen Waiting for the unforseen...... ________________________________________________________________________ The War I Survived ================== Death comes like a glacier from the peaks of all wars Reason and logic, the generals cry "more" Bodies in gullies, contortionist poses Fogged by the scent of mustard gas and roses Take me back to the war I survived I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five Take me back to the war I survived I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five As buildings belch bombs to the haloed Moon Entrust this landscape to the barren gloom A bulletproof Bible can protect your heart Who'll cover your eyes when you're falling apart Take me back to the war I survived I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five Take me back to the war I survived I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five Mischief rides high upon the martyr's back Giving further credence for unprovoked attack Yet in their use can these shadows have form Armies create circles, sparks for the dawn Take me back to the war I survived I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five Take me back to the war I survived I can't live no more, this is slaughterhouse five There's only bombs, nobody's left alive Take me back to the war I survived These were people like you and I Take me back to the war I survived ________________________________________________________________________ WARRIOR ON THE EDGE OF TIME ( - ? - ) We are standing on the edge On the edge of time We are standing on the edge On the edge of time We are standing on the edge And we're tired of making love We are the warriors at the edge of time We walk hand in hand with horror We ride side by side with death We are the warriors at the end of time Over poisoned crystal deserts Where the ruined towers shout We march towards our dying scarlet sun. Death Death to life! Death! Death to time! We bring sweet destruction now to everything. In our mirrored flashing armour By our secret, hideous helms We are the Angels of our ruin And we climb obsidian mountains On our final, dreadful quest Crossing lakes which cry with pain as we pass by Death to all things living! Holy death will cleanse the world! Death, our standard! Death, our only joy We are the Warriors at the edge of time Death to earth and fire and water Death to light and air and sound Death to anger, love and sadness Death to death... and time... and space. On dead horses our dead riders Seek the last retreats of life Life betrayed us now we slay it Corpses locked in battle Dancing at the Edge of Time It's cold at the edge of time So cold on the edge of time ________________________________________________________________________ Warriors ======== We are the warriors at the edge of time We are Humanity's scythe to sweep this way and that And cut the Enemy down as weeds We are Humanity's spade to dig up the roots wherever they have grown We are Humanity's fire to burn the waste to the finest ash We are the wind which will blow the ash away As if it had never existed We will destroy those Enemies But we must first know the Enemies And the Enemies are the devils that hide in our minds And make us less than happy They make us less than happy We are the warriors at the edge of time We are the veterans of a savage truth We are the lost We are the last We are the betrayed We are the betrayed We are the betrayed................ ________________________________________________________________________ Wastelands of Sleep =================== Drifting through the wastelands of sleep Rivers formed by those who weep All missed by the wakeful mind Memories are left far behind But you can always return tomorrow Escape in sleep from all of your sorrows And then I can reach out for your touch Am I asking for too much? ____________________________________________________________________________ THE WATCHER ( - Kilminster - ) We are looking in on you now What do you think you can do now You're very small from way out here The last thing you will feel is fear I gave you the chance to do the right thing I gave you the chance to do the bright thing Now our sense is all disgusted Re-affirm you can't be trusted A world imprisoned screams with pain There are no leaders you can blame Your avarice has destroyed your sphere And there's no room for you out here This is the end now. ________________________________________________________________________ Watching the Grass Grow ======================= We are the Survivors The eternal survivors Androgynous energies Travelling through time Particle Accelerators Morality Degenerators Dadata Disseminators Cyclotron attenuators Hyperspatial Conflagrators MEST Integrators Well your neutron bomb neutralised your history Wiped cancer from the Earth, and mystery Now we're pushing over concrete Blowing up the rockery Watching the garden Letting the grass grow Letting the grass grow We all know where the flowers went today Media explosion blew them all away After the thunder Always comes the rain We're coming up again Letting the grass grow Letting the grass grow Post future reality, it's a better real world Post future reality, it's a real better world Post future super-reality, it's a real super world Post holocaust hilarity, it's a super real world Post future surreality, it's sure a surreal world Post future surreality, it's a real surreal world Tell me Doc Spock have you got all your answers Ephemeral vision recalling the dancers Picking up the pieces In a progress picture Taking samples to his curator Letting the grass grow Watching the grass grow Pieces of the omniversal zoo But will we survive? we always do We're coming up again We're coming up again We're coming up again Watching the grass grow Watching the grass grow Watching the grass grow __________________________________________________________________________ WE TOOK THE WRONG STEP ( - Brock - ) Think about the things that we should have done before The way things are going the end is about to fall. We took the wrong step years ago We took the wrong step years ago We took the wrong step years ago Take a look around and see the warnings close at hand Already weeds are writing their scriptures in the sand We took the wrong step years ago We took the wrong step years ago The morning sun is rising, casting rays across the land, Already nature's calling, take heed of the warning, We took the wrong step years ago We took the wrong step years ago We took the wrong step years ago __________________________________________________________________________ WEB WEAVER ( - Brock - ) Larynx cries no longer heard A chord was struck that chilled the nerve It froze the time that we all lived The roles reversed to downward spin Is life finished or hung within The voices pleading went unheard And shattered membranes of our lives Hung suspended from the hives Where the harmony the sad voices waned _________________________________________________________________________ WELCOME TO THE FUTURE ( - Calvert - ) Welcome to the oceans in a labeled can, Welcome to the dehydrated lands, Welcome to the self-policed parade, Welcome to the neo-golden age, Welcome to the days you've made You are welcome You are welcome Welcome Welcome You are welcome You are welcome. __________________________________________________________________________ The Welcoming Hands of Space ============================ The stars are sprinkled in handfuls tonight They are something we can't crush or deface Rough cut diamonds in a juggler's palms The welcoming hands of Space The welcoming hands of Space Orbital junk and failed re-entries Unclear warheads and nuclear waste A fragile girdle, jet-propelled Into the welcoming hands of Space Into the welcoming hands of Space Fate decides, your gods provide They show us but one face We call it "All the Universe" The welcoming hands of Space The welcoming hands of Space Blind alleys, divine ironies Launch us out to the cold embrace To seek enclosure and completion In the welcoming hands of Space In the welcoming hands of Space Once we looked to the skies with bright-eyed vision But now we view them with suspicion We must be bold angels Seeking new realities We must be bold angels Seeking new trajectories Carry us from this dead horizon To the welcoming hands of Space To the welcoming hands of Space --------------------------------------------------------------------------- When the Going Gets Tough ========================= Way out in the jungle things aren't bright Looks like the natives are preparing to fight Sharpen their spears and rapping their shields It's time for the white man to take to the fields You know the saying folks But just a minute what's caused all the fuss? Police have blown in and made a big bust All that coca chewing and all that weed They've scooped the lot, a dastardly deed When the going gets tough, the tough get going When the going gets tough, the tough get going When the going gets tough, the tough get going........ So what's the score? Now it's lost An empty plane, who'll cover the cost? Fake a deal with the FBI Flying guns, they'll turn a blind eye You know the saying folks: When the going gets tough, the tough get going When the going gets tough, the tough get going When the going gets tough, the tough get going........ Who's gonna pay for all this? No more coca chewing No more smoking that weed What are we gonna do? We're all gonna turn into seeds Blown off into space And what can we do? No one will save the Human Race When the going gets tough, the tough get going When the going gets tough, the tough get going When the going gets tough, the tough get going........ __________________________________________________________________________ Where are They Now? =================== Where are you now? Where are you now? I look down from my lonely mountaintop Crumbling cities of a race that would not stop Only bloodshapes hover in my empty dream Where are you now? What do you do when you're going to faint? I tried so hard Do they explain? I cast my light The clouds remain The circle turns So we remain ___________________________________________________________________________ WHO'S GONNA WIN THE WAR ( - Brock - ) Lonely figures waiting, shadows on the hill Looking into valleys where everything is still Only death is lurking, the creeping sickness waits So who's gonna win the war, now Who's gonna win the war, now Who's gonna win the, who's gonna win the Who's gonna win the war Radiation wastelands in the setting sun Dust clouds they are gathering to obliterate the guns Already weeds are writing their scriptures in the sand So who's gonna win the war, now Who's gonna win the war, now Who's gonna win the, who's gonna win the Who's gonna win the war __________________________________________________________________________ WINGS ===== ( - Davey -) I could see their dying note In the sky that is so old I remember where they once flew Where they sang to the morning dew Now their wings are soaked in oil Caged wings that can't unfurl No longer do we hear them sing No longer do we hear the fluttering Of wings Underneath the iron bird Their song cannot be heard Above the human sound Above the poisoned ground ___________________________________________________________________________ THE WIZARD BLEW HIS HORN ======================== The Great Hound Barked And the world turned white The Great Hound Sighed And the forest died The Wizard Blew His Horn The Wizard Blew His Horn The snow snake hissed And the world turned round The snow snake grinned In his fine cold sin When The Wizard Blew His Horn The Wizard Blew His Horn The horse wept blood And the Earth did groan The tall horse reared >From a lake of tears To seek a Champion To seek a Champion The world was bleak And the Earth did fear The Wizard's Horn The magic Horn So it screamed for a champion It screamed for a champion The eagle laughed And the world grew black It stretched giant claws And it snatched the Law And the Champion stirred in his sleep The Champion stirred in his sleep ________________________________________________________________________ Words of a Song =============== Switch on the TV, look at the screen There's money for a Rolls or a washing machine I pay my money and I pay my rent But everyday it's always spent Maybe it starts to be the same Look out the window and it starts to rain Someone is saying "it's time to die" Send us some money and I'll tell you why I'll tell you why Broken cars in the street Do you really want to eat? Do you need all these things that you see on the screen? I drive my car when I go home It's hidden somewhere in the words of a song I pay my stamps and I pay my tax But it's not working and that's a fact ________________________________________________________________________ Xenomorph ========= Mine life be with thine zenomorphic cries You can't escape me once you are chosen The forces within me to take you over Chemical machine, assailants of mankind Skeletal life forms are born to be my toys Allotrious Mind Invaders Xenomorphic Liquidators Life will escape Now you've been chosen The force is within me Your life is over Inside I'm machine Counterfeit android I solely exist Simply to destroy Antibodies feel me You can't even see me Synthetically productive Xenomorphic blood test My blood type has raped tyou I'll have to sedate you You'll have to escape through The tunnel of light -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YOU KNOW YOU'RE ONLY DREAMING ( - Brock - ) One more touch and then you'll see a world of hidden mystery, Visions of you know you're only dreaming Colours change, I stand upright Screaming souls in the night Visions of you know you're only dreaming Chaos all within my mind Try to reach and I wanna be with my own kind Visions of you know you're only dreaming. _________________________________________________________________________ YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT ( - Brock - Turner - ) You shouldn't do that, should do that You try so hard to get somewhere, They put you down, and cut your hair, They're saying you're no good, they just don't care, You're trying to fly, you get nowhere, You get no air, you're getting aware. You shouldn't do that, should do that. You want so hard to get somewhere, With trees and flowers growing there, If you can't make it you're going spare, You're trying to fly, you get nowhere, You get no air, you're getting aware. __________________________________________________________________________ YOU'D BETTER BELIEVE IT ( - Brock - ) I wandered far in lands unknown until I came to my earthly home Far away I found life's dream drifting on a silver beam, You'd better believe it, It's so easy to say. Travelling at twice the speed of light, Orion's stars are high tonight The gentle madness has touched my hand, now I'm just a cosmic man. __________________________________________________________________________ Your Secret's Safe With Me [Wishart song from '89 tour] ========================== Official prying, Mandy's crying Fever's up but still surviving Your secret's safe with me Your secret's safe with me Crossfire themes and electric beams Whitewashed walls and madman's dreams Your secret's safe with me Your secret's safe with me -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ZAROZINIA Fire of destiny Fire of reality Zarozinia The burning of flesh Flames loving caress Zarozinia Water from a thousand tears Feeling of a thousand years Flows over me But the dream it is too real Cold reality of steel Zarozinia Hurt and wounded you return But deep down feel the anger burn Zarozinia ________________________________________________________________________ From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 6 10:38:11 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 15:38:11 GMT Subject: Off: The Space and Freedom Party In-Reply-To: skarsol's message of Wed, 4 Dec 1996 20:34:47 +0000 Message-ID: skarsol writes: > > the same crap is going on here in the us. california has decided that > dr's may > prescribe thc for various ailments.our discusting,heavy handed federal > gov't, > has decided that the people can not decide anything for themselves,and > are seeking to prosecute any dr/patient who avails themselves of their > new right. > in another case of our god-wannabe gov't overstepping their bounds,they > are trying > to force local authorities to enforce their mandates on other > subjects,like gun > control(the responsibility for background checks being forced upon local > sherriffs > and such.) > obviously,our gov't feels that if it is legalised for medicine,then the > people wont so easily swallow their downright lies about it.oh,and did > you know that marijuana is > 22 times as strong today,now that it must be grown in out of the way > places where the conditions are less than good,than it was in the > sixties,when it was grown whereever > conditions were best? > wishing there was someplace decent to bail out to,before all of our > rights are gone, Time to join the Party. In Anarchy no one will fear your dreams. > rj FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 6 10:46:11 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 15:46:11 GMT Subject: woops Message-ID: Just got back from being ill and I forgot about the way replies work on this list. Apologies to those who're on by modem. I guess information that wants to be free can be expensive in bulk :-) FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Dec 6 10:52:04 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 10:52:04 -0500 Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: Quite possibly, yes, but then imagine what it would have been if Imaginos had been released even earlier, after OYFoOYK, as some suggested... One other thing should be mentioned. While Sandy's poems on Imaginos may have all been written by the mid-70's (I'm assuming anyway), the music certainly wasn't. The Subhman, Astronomy, and Flaming Telepaths (which according to a recent Morning Final was also part of the cycle) were done, *Secret Treaties*, but a good chunk of the music was either unwritten, or in a vastly different format. I think around the *Spectres* sessions Albert had put together more of the songs, and an earlier version of *In the Presence of Another World* (which, if memory serves, was at least in part written by Joe). I think Albert did alot more work sometime prior to *Cultosaurus Erectus*, and then of course spent time after he left the band in '81. And while many of us (myself definitely included) speculate on an *Imaginos* release in the 70's, musically the album may have been very different - most likely a fantastic album none-the-less, but the songs would not be as what we've heard on the *Imaginos* album (or some of Albert's demos). I guess in one sense while *Imaginos* suffered from many factors, one thing that it had going for it was alot of time put in by Albert over the span of at least 10 years, and probably more. Cappucino, John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Dec 6 10:56:21 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 10:56:21 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: BoH Lyrics Message-ID: For anyone who's interested, Tania has updated the Brain Surgeons web site -- the lyrics for *Box Of Hammers* can now be found there. The URL is -- http://www.NovPapyrus.com/bs/ Waitress please another beer, John From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Dec 6 10:57:12 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 10:57:12 -0500 Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: In a message dated 96-12-06 10:54:30 EST, John wrote: << One other thing should be mentioned. While Sandy's poems on Imaginos may have all been written by the mid-70's (I'm assuming anyway), >> I thought I read somewhere that Sandy wrote all this stuff in the mid 60's... R. From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Fri Dec 6 11:44:52 1996 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 16:44:52 GMT Subject: BOC: Cult Classic Message-ID: On a whim I went and bought "Cult Classic" yesterday. I have to admit that I like the remixes of "E.T.I.", "Flaming Telepaths" and "Astronomy". (Especially the guitar solo at the end of "Astronomy".) I think "Cities On Flame" could have been really good too if they would have done a beter job with the drum production. They just sound tiny and hidden in the mix. Other than this the album probably should not have been released. Joe From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Dec 6 11:46:33 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 11:46:33 -0500 Subject: HW: Lyrics for LSD Message-ID: Many Thanks!! Martyn From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Dec 6 12:42:28 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 12:42:28 -0500 Subject: BOC: Cult Classic Message-ID: IMHO, what makes this album worth anything is the studio version of Buck's Boogie. I like O.D.'d on Life Itself on this one as well. The rest I can take or leave. The version of Cities on Flame in particular sounds like BOC trying to recreate the original studio recording, rather than the way they play it live today. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Dec 6 12:43:37 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 12:43:37 -0500 Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: << One other thing should be mentioned. While Sandy's poems on Imaginos may have all been written by the mid-70's (I'm assuming anyway), >> >I thought I read somewhere that Sandy wrote all this stuff in the mid 60's... Yes, I think around '67 -- but I don't know when he more or less "finished" the stuff. He may have added to it over many years, I don't know. John From stayer at PI.NET Fri Dec 6 10:11:51 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 07:11:51 PST Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: >>> Jerry said: >>> >> Hendrix died of sleeping pills - a legal drug... >>I doubr they were prescription drugs...At least not prescribed to >>JH... > I heard that Jimi was partying with some friends on barbs and >booze. When he passed out, they neglected to turn him over and left >him lying on his back. Subsequently he choked on his own vomit. Oh yes, that's it. Well, he was lying in bed with Monica, his girlfriend at the time. Talking about Deaths... Jimi's first girlfriend after he moved to England, Kathy Etchingam, and his last girlfriend, Monica Danemann, were always fighting about who was supposed to be Jimi's best friend. One time Kathy sued Monica, and since then Monica was not allowed to say anything anymore about Monica being Jimi's best friend, because there was no proof. Last year, Monica (accidentally?) said something again, and Kathy again said she'd sue Monica. Monica then killed herself by sitting in the car, in a locked garage. Monica was a great painter, btw, and wife of Ulli Roth, who has been doing Jimi Hendrix tributes the last couple of years. Jerry From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 6 12:07:14 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:07:14 EDT Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: >>From John: > << One other thing should be mentioned. While Sandy's poems on Imaginos > may have all been written by the mid-70's (I'm assuming anyway), >> > > >I thought I read somewhere that Sandy wrote all this stuff in the mid 60's... > > Yes, I think around '67 -- but I don't know when he more or less "finished" > the stuff. He may have added to it over many years, I don't know. > > John I seem to recall Albert saying something to that effect a while back. Like many of the ideas were there early on, but, espescially the music, evolved over time, or that new songs were written to go with the original material. So, Imaginos really was an evolving work... theo From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 6 12:10:50 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:10:50 EDT Subject: BOC: Cult Classic Message-ID: >> From: John A Swartz > IMHO, what makes this album worth anything is the studio version of > Buck's Boogie. I like O.D.'d on Life Itself on this one as well. > The rest I can take or leave. The version of Cities on Flame in particular > sounds like BOC trying to recreate the original studio recording, rather > than the way they play it live today. > > John This is why I've always defended CC: it represents [in most cases] the way that the songs have evolved over the years, often to make them work better live. Many of the endings of the songs have been reworked so that they come off better in concert. So, rather than another live album, they've given us a taste of how many of the classic tunes come across in concert. And I agree that Buck's Boogie is the best version officially available and well worth the price of the cd. theo From skarsol at EROLS.COM Fri Dec 6 09:32:29 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 14:32:29 +0000 Subject: Off: The Space and Freedom Party Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > Time to join the Party. In Anarchy no one will fear your dreams. > > > FoFP which party is that?can't say im in for total anarchy.anarchy to me sounds like survival of the fittest,and i know some really good people who aren't all that fit.anarchy does sort of seem like a logical end-point to the way things are going however. i thought you were a libertarian,mike? well so am i,a registered,voting,libertarian. unfortunately,the party links itself with several ideas that even i find scary. so few people here are willing to even listen to the good points it has to offer. rj From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Dec 6 13:49:37 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:49:37 -0500 Subject: BOC: Cult Classic In-Reply-To: <199612061742.MAA22858@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Dec 6, 96 12:42:28 pm Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > > IMHO, what makes this album worth anything is the studio version of > Buck's Boogie. I like O.D.'d on Life Itself on this one as well. > The rest I can take or leave. The version of Cities on Flame in particular > sounds like BOC trying to recreate the original studio recording, rather > than the way they play it live today. > Oddly enough, I think my favorite item on the disc is the sans-vocal Reaper. You get to hear all kinds of subtleties in the guitar work that you don't hear in the production mixes (what with it being obscured under layers of vocal tracks), and it sounds quite eerie. Steve swann at panix.com From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Dec 6 13:54:24 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 19:54:24 +0100 Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: >>Hey, there was a referendum in Cal. this year on medicinal weed. >>Anyone know if it passed or not? And what do you lucky souls in the >>Netherlands care if it's medicine or not? Just go to the bar and >>score a lid! > >Well, some patients don't like the idea of entering a coffee shop only to >get medicine. > When do you use pot as medicine?!?! -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Dec 6 13:59:04 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:59:04 -0500 Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: > When do you use pot as medicine?!?! > > -Daniel When you are suffering from realititus M From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Dec 6 14:27:41 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 13:27:41 -0600 Subject: HW: OVER CALVERT's DEAD BODY!!!!! In-Reply-To: <199612050306.OAA07709@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Paul G Ward wrote: > On 3 Dec 96 at 15:22, Christian Mumford wrote: > > They started a bad trend with the Sonic Attack album in '81 - so > > it's not like it's a new thing... Now, if only they released _less_ > > albums, they'd have time to come up with new stuff instead of > > recycling old stuff :). > Did I hear right? *LESS* HW albums? That's sacrilege maaan! Yeah... it's also bad grammar, but I suppose I'm just being my typical picky self. :-) Damon "Not liking the idea of *fewer* HW albums either" Capehart From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Fri Dec 6 12:50:26 1996 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 10:50:26 -0700 Subject: OFF slightly : X-Mas plans Message-ID: Jon writes: > On my greedy X-mas list is the Choose Your Masques and Sonic Attack > CD's. "Flower Punk"- the 3 x CD complete Seeds box set, the 4 x CD's > Pretty Things remastered box set inc. S.F. Sorrow (Traditionally "better > than Pepper, man!") and a pick-up for my acoustic guitar. Hopeful , > aren't I ? It'll be socks and bath foam again, really. :) Ah, another Seeds fan. At last year's Nikwind show here in Eugene, during a wild jam at the end of Brainstorm, a scuzzy freak hopped up on stage and started singing a bunch of inspired gibberish. He looked familiar, and then I realized it was Sky Saxon. I knew it was him because he had just played a few months earlier with his recent band, which featured the old guitarist from Blue Cheer (that was a rippin' show as well.) The combination of Sky's screaming and Nik's sax craziness made for quite a racket, which sounded just fine to me. What's a good pickup for acoustic guitar? (I need one too...) "You're pushin' too hard, pushin' too hard on me." Chris From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Dec 6 14:55:51 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 20:55:51 +0100 Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: >> When do you use pot as medicine?!?! >> >> -Daniel > > When you are suffering from realititus > >Martyn White Of course I ment apart from THAT one. :-) -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Dec 6 17:24:44 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:24:44 +0100 Subject: woops Message-ID: At 15:46 1996-12-06 GMT, you wrote: >Just got back from being ill and I forgot about the way replies work on >this list. Apologies to those who're on by modem. I guess information >that wants to be free can be expensive in bulk :-) > >FoFP ...and this means the BOC-l web site is back on Copyright Violation Course. see http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9612a&L=boc-l&O=T&P=21097 for further details \\joe ObCoverShock: Reunion of local heroes Tryckv?g covering Sabbath's "Hole in the Sky/Supernaut" - live yesterday night/no tape recorder :0( From skarsol at EROLS.COM Fri Dec 6 13:46:36 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 18:46:36 +0000 Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl wrote: > > > When do you use pot as medicine?!?! > > -Daniel glaucoma patients and cancer patients mainly.it also helps some people deal with pain. as a preventive medicine,it keeps me from climbing a tower with a highpowered rifle. (thats a joke). but it does curb some violent feelings i get sometimes when i watch the news. do i think its necessary as a medicine? hell,no. there are many other substances that do the same thing,and you dont have to smoke them.but people have the right to use whatever works for them,and anyone who says they cant is a tyrranical bastard. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Fri Dec 6 13:52:15 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 18:52:15 +0000 Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > > > When do you use pot as medicine?!?! > > > > -Daniel > > When you are suffering from realititus > > M this is a good joke,and im hoping that it is one.pot isnt and has never been an escape from reality.alcohol,the same. although,alcohol,when it doesnt blow your problems way out of proportion,can make you forget them for a while,when there are enuff distractions about.an escape from reality is something that would blot out your conscious mind, and pot simply cant do that (unless ya go to sleep). most of the disorientation from pot (IMO) stems from the paranoia caused by its ilegality.i was smoking a much better grade of pot in amsterdam,yet my wits were sharper than when using domestic stuff at home. but again,your statement is amusing. ;) rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Fri Dec 6 13:55:46 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 18:55:46 +0000 Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: i have spoken too much on this subject here,and i apologise. i will not reply to anymore posts on this subject.if anyone wants to talk about it with me,its one of my favorite subjects,and i will be happy to do so privately.to the rest of this list,thank you for being patient. rj From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Dec 6 20:35:50 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 20:35:50 -0500 Subject: BOC: Cult Classic Message-ID: >IMHO, what makes this album worth anything is the studio version of >Buck's Boogie. I like O.D.'d on Life Itself on this one as well. >The rest I can take or leave. The version of Cities on Flame in particular >sounds like BOC trying to recreate the original studio recording, rather >than the way they play it live today. Well, the cover and cd artwork is cool. So make sure you get the CC version and not the... what was it, champions of rock? whatever with just a pic of the band on the cover. From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Dec 7 02:06:10 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 23:06:10 -0800 Subject: OFF: progrock Message-ID: > >Craig said about Shadow Gallery: > >>IMHO, these guys don't hold a candle to the best American prog-rock band >>in a long time and that be Mastermind! Try Mastermind IV: Until Eternity >>first and be blown away!! > Is this significantly better than their third? It was so incredibly awful I hadn't even considered stocking the new one... Wylie From stayer at PI.NET Sat Dec 7 04:59:10 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 01:59:10 PST Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: Daniel wondered: >When do you use pot as medicine?!?! People who, for example are in pain as a result of chometherapy against cancer, or an aids-infected system - they use pot to ease the pain. So physical pain, it is. Jerry From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri Dec 6 12:41:22 1996 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 10:41:22 -0700 Subject: HW: Lyrics for LSD Message-ID: M Holmes wrote in all those lyrics-I'd really like to say thanx to them for this!! I'd spent severall hours looking at a whole bunch of really cool pages trying to find them!! Now, wheres the FAQ so I don't hafta ask the dumb questions? Thanx! Keep rockin' Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace On 6 Dec 96 at 9:34, Jon Browne wrote: > Just wondering, what gigs etc. are you lot looking foward to over > the festive season, in the absence of any Solstice Hawkwind shows? > Except for Radio Birdman on New Years, it's just the usual bands playing down here sadly. Good news is that Patti Smith will be at the Melbourne "Big Day Out" on Australia day weekend ... might even go to it now! Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Dec 7 09:01:01 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl Edlund Anderson) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 14:01:01 GMT Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond, London, Tonight! Message-ID: Anyone else in the Londonish area headed off to the Royal Standard in Walthamstow (just across from the Blackhorse Road tube station) to see Bevis Frond on their home turf? Tonight, Saturday, 7 December 1996 (a date which may or may not live in infamy). Cheers, Carl From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Dec 7 07:39:15 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 12:39:15 +0000 Subject: NIK and... In-Reply-To: <882563F8@?.00> Message-ID: In message <882563F8@?.00>, Chris Baxley writes > > Ah, another Seeds fan. At last year's Nikwind show here in Eugene, > during a wild jam at the end > of Brainstorm, a scuzzy freak hopped up on stage and started singing a > bunch of inspired gibberish. > He looked familiar, and then I realized it was Sky Saxon. I knew it was > him because he had just played > a few months earlier with his recent band, which featured the old > guitarist from Blue Cheer (that was a > rippin' show as well.) The combination of Sky's screaming and Nik's sax > craziness made for quite > a racket, which sounded just fine to me. Fuckin' WOW!! Sky & Nik together? You lucky dog! God, I wish I'd seen that! Isn't he Sky Sunlight these days tho'? On a similar but infinatly crapper note, I picked up Sting and The Radioactors - Nuclear Waste EP. Yesterday. This is Sting, NIK, Steve Hillage, Mike Howlett and Harry Williamson. It was only a fiver, worth it just for the version of ICU's Nuclear Waste sung by Sting.(sux really but you have to hear it once!) I've known about this record for years but never seen a copy. One for the HardKore Kollectors. > > What's a good pickup for acoustic guitar? (I need one too...) um, I'll get back to you on that. Wouldn't want to give bum advice.. > > "You're pushin' too hard, pushin' too hard on me." "Mr Farmer, let me water your crops..." > > Chris -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Dec 7 11:40:00 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 16:40:00 +0000 Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Jerry writes >Daniel wondered: >>When do you use pot as medicine?!?! > >People who, for example are in pain as a result of chometherapy against >cancer, or an aids-infected system - they use pot to ease the pain. >So physical pain, it is. > >Jerry Or as an anti-nausea agent after chemo in cancer patients. Or to reduce the "tri-color" halo that surrounds objects in the vision of those suffering from glaucoma. (What a clumsy sentence. I must learn to write more better one of these days.) -- Jon Browne From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Sat Dec 7 13:17:50 1996 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (ENTER-YOUR-FAITHLESS-VISIONS-HERE) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 18:17:50 -0000 Subject: BOC: Now this is a rather odd thing to find... Message-ID: In the Gibraltar Encyclopedia of Prgressive Rock, I search for BOC on a whim and it came up with one refernce: Argent [USA] Together Now (72), Circus (75), others I've only heard so much from Argent, but I have a couple albums. Argent, led by and named after keyboard player Rod Argent basically played art rock. Now many, if not most, may be familiar with the song "Hold Your Head Up," of which many covers have been done, by BLUE OYSTER CULT, etc. [emphasis added] To this, all I can say is: "say what?" I think the writer of this entry was either off his rocker or something awfully close.. "Hold your head up" is to lethargic for BOC, dont you think? It goes to show you never can tell, Jason "Tender was the Date with Laura's Plastic 'Lil Egypt" Reeling minds in hiding Laden with a buzzard dingo is everybody happy? Unknown to thee, Like James Brown's machine, you will die again From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Sat Dec 7 13:34:10 1996 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (haiwhachahaiuh!) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 18:34:10 -0000 Subject: BOC: this is ODD... Message-ID: The on-line Gibraltar Encyclyopedia of Prog.Rock has only this for BOC: Argent [USA] Together Now (72), Circus (75), others I've only heard so much from Argent, but I have a couple albums. Argent, led by and named after keyboard player Rod Argent basically played art rock. Now many, if not most, may be familiar with the song "Hold Your Head Up," of which many covers have been done, by BLUE OYSTER CULT, etc. [emphasis added] To this I can only boggle. BOC and "hold your head up" don't seem to jive if you ask me... well done, Jason "Tender was the Date with Laura's Plastic 'Lil Egypt" Reeling minds in hiding Laden with a buzzard dingo is everybody happy? Unknown to thee, Like James Brown's machine, you will die again From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Sat Dec 7 13:38:21 1996 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (haiwhachahaiuh!) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 18:38:21 -0000 Subject: Sorry... Message-ID: Had email problems that didn't exist, hence the double posting. a thousand apologies, Jason "Tender was the Date with Laura's Plastic 'Lil Egypt" Reeling minds in hiding Laden with a buzzard dingo is everybody happy? Unknown to thee, Like James Brown's machine, you will die again From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sat Dec 7 14:36:21 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 14:36:21 -0500 Subject: woops Message-ID: >...and this means the BOC-l web site is back on Copyright Violation Cours= >e. > >see http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=3Dind9612a&L=3Dboc-l&O=3DT&P=3D= >21097 >for further details > >\\joe Surely you mean: http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9612a&L=boc-l&O=T&P=21097 I really hope that this issue doesn't blow up again on the list. In copyright law, there is a fair use provision that would cover fans sharing lyrics "for the purposes of study". From reading the threads, I gather that Mike meant to mail the lyrics file to me in response to my question about LSD and it went to the list by mistake. For one I am overjoyed to have a complete updated set of HW lyrics and I am sure that many other people on the list are glad to have it. But yeah, I spose that you're right and it shouldn't be on a web page. So download the above mentioned URL right now, kiddies, before the POLICE come and spoil our fun :-) Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sat Dec 7 14:44:10 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 14:44:10 -0500 Subject: OFF: deaths and drugs Message-ID: >Martyn White wrote: >> >> > When do you use pot as medicine?!?! >> > >> > -Daniel >> >> When you are suffering from realititus >> >> M > >this is a good joke,and im hoping that it is one.pot isnt and has never >been an escape >from reality realititus does not need to be treated by escape just alteration :-) >but again,your statement is amusing. ;) rj Thanks, Man! Martyn From skarsol at EROLS.COM Sat Dec 7 12:27:21 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 17:27:21 +0000 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond, London, Tonight! Message-ID: Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: > > Anyone else in the Londonish area headed off to the Royal Standard in > Walthamstow (just across from the Blackhorse Road tube station) to see > Bevis Frond on their home turf? > Tonight, Saturday, 7 December 1996 (a date which may or may not live > in infamy). > > Cheers, > Carl you lucky,LUCKY,bastard! =) have fun,man! (you'd goddam better!) rj From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Dec 7 18:33:24 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 00:33:24 +0100 Subject: woops Message-ID: At 14:36 1996-12-07 -0500, you wrote: >>...and this means the BOC-l web site is back on Copyright Violation Cours= >>e. >> >>see http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=3Dind9612a&L=3Dboc-l&O=3DT&P=3D= >>21097 >>for further details >> >>\\joe > >Surely you mean: >http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9612a&L=boc-l&O=T&P=21097 > > I really hope that this issue doesn't blow up again on >the list. In copyright law, there is a fair use provision that >would cover fans sharing lyrics "for the purposes of study". > From reading the threads, I gather that Mike meant to >mail the lyrics file to me in response to my question about LSD >and it went to the list by mistake. For one I am overjoyed to >have a complete updated set of HW lyrics and I am sure that >many other people on the list are glad to have it. > But yeah, I spose that you're right and it shouldn't >be on a web page. So download the above mentioned URL right >now, kiddies, before the POLICE come and spoil our fun :-) > >Martyn I mean no matter what you're doing there's always a law somewhere that you're breaking against. There's wrong to have the lyrics on a web site (no money to the hawks (or no money to those who's compiled the works :0) - but there's also wrong to remove - to censor - what's said on this list (even if it's a mistake). No matter which way you're turning, your ass is still in the back. (Old Swedish saying) No matter what you're doing, you're always wrong. (Old Murphy Law) \\joe From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Dec 7 23:14:15 1996 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:14:15 -0500 Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: Ross wrote: >make a magnificent album. I think Mirrors was a throw together >quickie just to keep BOC on the one a year plan. Imaginos, >i don't think would have been nearly as well done under the >the 1979 conditions. Not true about mirrors. We made more demos, auditioned more producers, and worked harder on every facet of that album than any other to that point. We also had a feeling we didn't have the goods. Many of the Imaginos songs were written by then but they were not that similar to what ended up on the Imaginos album ( Astronomy, Warned, Presence and Imaginos were written and similar but the others were radically different). I think it does take time to make a great album but we were not ready to make Imaginos then. I think Sandy Pearlman is in his own little world now. So many of the "facts" he gave in Goldmine were wrong. I even checked with Joe and he agrees with me that Sandy's memory is not so great these days. Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Dec 7 23:16:50 1996 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:16:50 -0500 Subject: BOC: Imaginos slotting & Magna carta Records Message-ID: AB asks: >Now this leads me to some questions for Al. Given that Imaginos was >started as a solo project how did CBS end up with the rights to the >songs? Were you personally still obligated to CBS or did you choose >them because of past business dealings? They financed the project and yes to both. Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Dec 7 23:19:26 1996 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:19:26 -0500 Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: ????????? > >Much of Mirrors seems to me very disco-esque. > >Strange, since on a '79 boot, Al sings > >"3000 guitars >they seem to cry >my ears will melt >disco won't survive" > >Anyone else catch that one? I did sing it and felt it too. If Mirrors came out like disco then it must have been Werman's fault 'cause we weren't ino it. Al From mordru at MAGG.NET Sun Dec 8 10:45:29 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 10:45:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: >????????? >> >Much of Mirrors seems to me very disco-esque. >> >>Strange, since on a '79 boot, Al sings >> >>"3000 guitars >>they seem to cry >>my ears will melt >>disco won't survive" >> >>Anyone else catch that one? > >I did sing it and felt it too. If Mirrors came out like disco then it must >have been Werman's fault 'cause we weren't ino it. >Al Lonely Teardrops is the tune that I react to as if it were disco-esque. I get the opinion that Werman wasn't too well thought of... From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Sun Dec 8 14:27:39 1996 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 14:27:39 E Subject: OFF slightly : X-Mas plans Message-ID: as to the pickup for the guitar... Bartolini makes afew models 3a and 3av or if you dont want a soundhole p/u use a Martin Thinline or Thinline Gold.... peace, bryan From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sun Dec 8 15:32:57 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 15:32:57 -0500 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: I spent Saturday night watching Live Chronicles for the umpteenth time and noticed something that I missed before. I am almost sure that at one point, Moorcock calls him "Elric the womanslayer"" and then he says Elric ... "killed the only two mortal women he ever loved". This seems to be very dubious behaviour for the hero of a chronicle??? Martyn PS I just checked the lyric file and confirmed this From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Sun Dec 8 16:33:06 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 22:33:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond, London, Tonight! Message-ID: >Carl Edlund Anderson wrote: >> >> Anyone else in the Londonish area headed off to the Royal Standard in >> Walthamstow (just across from the Blackhorse Road tube station) to see >> Bevis Frond on their home turf? >> Tonight, Saturday, 7 December 1996 (a date which may or may not live >> in infamy). >> >> Cheers, >> Carl > >you lucky,LUCKY,bastard! =) have fun,man! (you'd goddam better!) rj Hey, I just saw them here in Oslo at the start of their tour about a month ago. Good show! Picked up Adrian Shaw's solo album, which is great. I particularly like the Beatlesesque 'Falling'! Christian From skarsol at EROLS.COM Sun Dec 8 12:55:16 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 17:55:16 +0000 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > > I spent Saturday night watching Live Chronicles for the umpteenth > time and noticed something that I missed before. I am almost sure > that at one point, Moorcock calls him "Elric the womanslayer"" and > then he says Elric ... "killed the only two mortal women he ever > loved". This seems to be very dubious behaviour for the hero of > a chronicle??? > > Martyn > > PS I just checked the lyric file and confirmed this martyn,you simply must read the books.it really wasnt his fault. cymorril>sp<,his first love was turned into a worm by yyrkoon,and elric slew her for pity. zarozinia,i think,was killed by stormbringer,not elric.(although,unfortunately elric was holding stormbringer at the time) also,elric is what is called an anti-hero.he actually had more heart than any of his kinsmen,but was still from a cruel and tyrannical race, and further,his actions were largely governed by stormbringer,the most evil force ever.elric was haunted by guilt all his days,to the point of being suicidal. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Sun Dec 8 13:04:08 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 18:04:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: skarsol wrote: > martyn,you simply must read the books.it really wasnt his fault. > cymorril>sp<,his first love was turned into a worm by yyrkoon,and elric > slew her for pity. zarozinia,i think,was killed by stormbringer,not > elric.(although,unfortunately elric was holding stormbringer at the > time) > also,elric is what is called an anti-hero.he actually had more heart > than any of his kinsmen,but was still from a cruel and tyrannical race, > and further,his actions were largely governed by stormbringer,the > most evil force ever.elric was haunted by guilt all his days,to the > point of being suicidal. rj i think i was wrong about zarozinia.i think she picked up stormbringer,to coerce elric to use it,and it killed her by its lonesome. rj From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Sun Dec 8 17:55:44 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 23:55:44 +0100 Subject: BOC: Imaginos Guitarists Message-ID: Troy Harris shot the curl and said: > > JEEZ, Man! You haven't even MET the dude! Don't get defensive over >something you have no control over. I love Imaginos, you love Imaginos, >dudes on this list love Imaginos--- That is good enough for me!!! :) > > (This same dude shreds me when I tell him that I find Satriani boring!). > > Care factor zero, and falling, ;) > Troy Dude, I just picked this up. I'm not sure what to make of it yet, dude, but some of it really shreds. I agree that Satriani is boring, but the fact that the dude used The Silver Surfer on one one of his album covers really... uh... shreds? Sorry, we don't surf much up here :). Christian From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Dec 8 17:33:01 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 09:33:01 +1100 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > > I spent Saturday night watching Live Chronicles for the umpteenth > time and noticed something that I missed before. I am almost sure > that at one point, Moorcock calls him "Elric the womanslayer"" and > then he says Elric ... "killed the only two mortal women he ever > loved". This seems to be very dubious behaviour for the hero of > a chronicle??? > > Martyn > > PS I just checked the lyric file and confirmed this Well, if you check the books you'll find that he kills the whole world. Well, it was stormbringer that did this, but who's going to notice the difference? I guess at least, there can't be a big media-fest trial after destroying the whole world, can there? - Max Wilcox From ASLanz at AOL.COM Sun Dec 8 21:32:37 1996 From: ASLanz at AOL.COM (Alan Lanz) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 21:32:37 -0500 Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: I don't really understand the argument over Imaginos here. It can be seen to be just as unique as any BOC album, musically. The story is more complete, more viewable than the fragments given over the years. From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Mon Dec 9 03:43:30 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:43:30 -0000 Subject: OFF slightly : X-Mas plans Message-ID: What's a good pickup for acoustic guitar? (I need one too...) Schaller make the best acoustic pickup I have ever used. They used to make one that clipped neatly in the sound hole (no modifications to that cherished Martin) At one time they made a model that had a micro volume control incorporated in the main body plus had three positions; single coil, out of phase and humbucking. They also don't suffer as badly from feedback as some of the other makes. Mike P. "You're pushin' too hard, pushin' too hard on me." 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M(!]U4ZD1<6QL!) @`,!K'N'Z:![@8@>0!4 =)QQU'E#U$8!V'N!E)( %P!U0 M"8#H+B!4(L!Y)/,>\2)4DQ[#&Z$@8QG0<' >D;L>X"AN)A'O!' &D!R &[!I`B $("8!MR;$(L %$',BP!Q030K ^1UP M;BD4L 5 'L,'<2*B_R60`, -L!OQ!&(#(";#$8!/'% M01R `V @=@;P=7\L M<06@`C #8 ,@"X %H7!_!; ;L!Z1* 4`P"@!!N!D?R60"U =4"X#(K )T1Q@ M;]L`D"GC.RA@"X!G*/$%H-4#$"P>L'4K\68<8!& SQ&P&_ HHB\`8G4 Message-ID: In message <009AC89C.6DDB8F40.19 at marywood1.marywood.edu>, Bryan Pitkin writes >as to the pickup for the guitar... >Bartolini makes afew models 3a and 3av >or if you dont want a soundhole p/u use a Martin Thinline >or Thinline Gold.... > >peace, >bryan Hey, thanks for the tip! -- Jon Browne From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon Dec 9 04:46:33 1996 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 02:46:33 -0700 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Hi! Just thought I'd coment on these-I just ordered the books (all the Elric) and I can't wait! anyhow, I have a smattering of the story and what i've seen here is correct! Hooray for fellow bookworms!!!!Moorcock has written some very awesome books!! I love them! Keep rockin' Pam p.s. : I have sonic blast on order!! Hope it makes it by Saturday-My B-day present to me!!! P -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: While I was sitting at home over the weekend listening to BOC a couple of things struck me, which I thought I should share with everyone. Sorry if it's nothing new. The first thing is that vexatious question about the relative abilities of the guitarists within BOC. When I first got into the band, some 20 years ago, I thought that Buck was the lead guitarist, with Eric doing some nifty playing and Allen only playing rhythm guitar. However, once I had seen them live I realised this wasn't necessarily the case. If anyone wants to hear the relative playing abilities of Dharma, Bloom and Lanier, I would recommend listening to The Red And Black on Extraterrestrial Live. Buck is in the centre, Allen is in the left channel and Eric is on the right. There is nothing surprising about what Buck does, and Eric's licks are modest, but much better than those of many rhythm guitarists, but the great thing for me is the lead work by Allen, particularly at the end of the song. His guitar playing is brilliant - I wonder if he plays more lead guitar on BOC material than we may realise? I note from the Goldmine article that he was 'pushed' into playing keyboards, and was initially a guitarist. He is clearly a great guitarist, and I for one would like to hear more of his playing! My second thought was about Spectres. I can clearly remember its release in the UK in 1977. I note that it is now regarded by many as 'commercial' and a bit of a disappointment (not my view), but it was a different story at the time. The album was critically acclaimed and Melody Maker actually took the unprecedented step of reviewing each song! And all this at a time when punk had knocked rock off its pedestal. BOC were so acclaimed, I believe, partly because of their connection with Patti Smith, who was much loved by the media at this time. AOF had, of course, featured a significant input from Patti, so maybe this made BOC seem cooler to the music press than many of their contemporaries (I'm not saying they aren't cool, but I think we all know about the music press!). My final thought is about the song Searching For Celine. I notice that the FAQ indicates that the song is actually about, or inspired by the French author Celine. I find this hard to accept, if only because the song refers to Celine as a woman. It would be pleasing to accept that the song is about one of the more haunted French writers of this century, but I don't believe it can be. Any thoughts? That's all - sorry to have gone on at such length, but I'll be interested to hear people's responses, and apologies if they're not new thoughts! Martin From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Dec 9 06:03:20 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:03:20 UT Subject: BOC: Guitarists and Spectres Message-ID: > My final thought is about the song Searching For Celine. I'd hazard that it's more of a case of that's why they picked the name "Celine", rather than the song being *about* L-F Celine. (And not, as Tim noted when examining my record collection, "Oh yeah! Searchin' for Celine Dion!" :) - Andy ObCD: Gillian Welch - _Revival_ From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 9 06:16:14 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:16:14 GMT Subject: anyone been in touch with Gordon Hundley? Message-ID: I have a CD for him but can't seem to make contact. If anyone has been in touch with him recently, could they let me have the address they're using? Cheers FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 9 06:25:03 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:25:03 GMT Subject: Off: The Space and Freedom Party In-Reply-To: skarsol's message of Fri, 6 Dec 1996 14:32:29 +0000 Message-ID: skarsol writes: > M Holmes wrote: > > > > > Time to join the Party. In Anarchy no one will fear your dreams. > > > > > > > FoFP > > which party is that? ObAdvertise: it was sort of a jest in a way. However, I'd recommend that you check out some SF by a friend of mine, Ken MacLeod. His books "The Star Fraction" and "The Stone Canal" outline a future history of The Space and Freedom Party, which as you'll have gathered, is pretty libertarian, as well as pro=technology and space exploration. I guess one way to describe the books would be smart guns, smart women, and smart drugs versus the politics of a postmillenial and then posthuman society. > can't say im in for total anarchy.anarchy to me > sounds like > survival of the fittest, Strangely, it's the very opposite of that. Anarchy is about how to run things without the guys with the biggest stick (especially if they call themselves "The State") saying who does what. > i thought you were a libertarian,mike? I am. > well so am i,a > registered,voting,libertarian. We don't yet have a libertarian party here. Maybe once Scotland gets its own parliament, it'd be a good place to start. > unfortunately,the party links itself with several ideas that even i find > scary. Really? Want to let me know what they are by email? > rj FoFP From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 9 06:42:29 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 07:42:29 EDT Subject: OFF slightly : X-Mas plans Message-ID: > From: Mike Parkington > What's a good pickup for acoustic guitar? (I need one too...) > Seymour Duncan makes a couple of different models, both humbucking, that are excellent. The 'acoustic Tube' model has a volume control on it, and it's narrow enough that you can easily angle it for proper string balance. A friend uses a Dean Markley, and he loves it [and sounds excellent too]. theo From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Mon Dec 9 04:31:58 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 04:31:58 -0500 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: On 8-DEC-1996 15:34:00.8 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >I spent Saturday night watching Live Chronicles for the umpteenth >time and noticed something that I missed before. I am almost sure >that at one point, Moorcock calls him "Elric the womanslayer"" and >then he says Elric ... "killed the only two mortal women he ever >loved". This seems to be very dubious behaviour for the hero of >a chronicle??? >Martyn >PS I just checked the lyric file and confirmed this It's not EL'S fault! Blame it on Stormbringer ("It's forcin' me to kill my friends..." - BOC). That's one of the reasons he was always such a miserable wretch...grief-stricken. Chuck Type your tagline here. `[1;36;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 9 08:54:21 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:54:21 GMT Subject: Lemmy in Big Issue Message-ID: The Big Issue, the UK magazine sold by the homeless has a short article on Lemmy this week. In another weird Hawkwind crossover, Lemmy apparently considered the name "Bastard" for his new band formed after being kicked out of Hawkwind. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 9 08:57:01 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:57:01 GMT Subject: woops In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Sun, 8 Dec 1996 00:33:24 +0100 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > I mean no matter what you're doing there's always a law somewhere that > you're breaking against. There's wrong to have the lyrics on a web site (no > money to the hawks (or no money to those who's compiled the works :0) - but > there's also wrong to remove - to censor - what's said on this list (even if > it's a mistake). > > No matter which way you're turning, your ass is still in the back. (Old > Swedish saying) "You can't do this, you can't do that You can't go forward and you can't go back" FoFP From web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG Mon Dec 9 09:11:46 1996 From: web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG (Jeremy R. Horne) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 09:11:46 -0500 Subject: HW: Moonglum Question In-Reply-To: <9612051926.AA20143@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Martyn White wrote: > I always seem to be asking questions when I post, nowadays but > what the hey. > > Who is the guy singing vocals on "Moonglum" on the Live Chronicles vid? > > Ta, in advance > > > Martyn > wasn't it Huw Lloyd-Langton? From web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG Mon Dec 9 09:19:24 1996 From: web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG (Jeremy R. Horne) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 09:19:24 -0500 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ In-Reply-To: <9612082032.AA26525@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Martyn White wrote: > I spent Saturday night watching Live Chronicles for the umpteenth > time and noticed something that I missed before. I am almost sure > that at one point, Moorcock calls him "Elric the womanslayer"" and > then he says Elric ... "killed the only two mortal women he ever > loved". This seems to be very dubious behaviour for the hero of > a chronicle??? > > Martyn > > PS I just checked the lyric file and confirmed this > Well, Stormbringer coerced Elric to slay a number of people close to him. It literally moved Elric's arm for him. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 9 09:51:40 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 09:51:40 -0500 Subject: BOC: Cult Classic Message-ID: >Well, the cover and cd artwork is cool. So make sure you get the CC version and not the... what was it, champions of rock? whatever with just a pic of the band on the cover. Absolute cool cover for CC -- done by the (in)famous Melne, co-founder of the BOC fanclub, and also responsible for layout (but not cover art) of the Brain Surgeons' CDs. As far as the "Champions of Rock" cover goes, it was just a picture of the band, and an old one too -- both Bouchards are in the picture. Why this was done is beyond any logic that I have as the Bouchards had no input into the album (well, other than having written some of the songs originally, but they certainly didn't play on "Cult Classic"!). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 9 09:53:53 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 09:53:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: Now this is a rather odd thing to find... Message-ID: "Tender was the Date with Laura's Plastic 'Lil Egypt" Reeling minds in hiding Laden with a buzzard dingo is everybody happy? Unknown to thee, Like James Brown's machine, you will die again Apparently the date was an "operation" (luv that is) as well . . . From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 9 09:58:23 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 09:58:23 -0500 Subject: BOC: Imaginos great v. mediocre, no bad timing Message-ID: >I did sing it and felt it too. If Mirrors came out like disco then it must have been Werman's fault 'cause we weren't ino it. Al Well, in the words of Spinal Tap, "If it had been mixed right . . ." ;-) I think there were some good songs on *Mirrors*. But, as an _album_, it seems weak -- the material is too light overall (if some of the best of *Mirrors* had been put on an album with say half the tunes from *Cultosaurus Erectus*, it might have been a strong album), and the mix doesn't have enough edge to it. John From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Dec 9 09:54:32 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:54:32 UT Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Geez, all you guys saying "Elric was innocent"! Surely it's a bit more complex than that (and I don't mean Melnibonean DNA :) - how much of his actions were Stormbringer's, and how much his own subconscious desires? And you have to bear in mind that the early Elric stories are full of blatant (some would say crass) symbolism - e.g., impaling a woman on a sword is about as unsubtle a metaphor for the sex act as can be. - Andy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 9 10:01:26 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:01:26 -0500 Subject: BOC: Guitarists and Spectres Message-ID: I don't think *Spectres* was regarded a "disappointment" for the most part, but perhaps couldn't live up to the standard set by "Agents of Fortune" (who's success probably also prompted people to give Spectres a more critical listen, as BOC was now more in the public eye). As far as "Searchin' for Celine" goes, as someone pointed out, I don't think the song is supposed to be about the French author, but that's who's name they used for the subject - the song appears to be about a woman. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 9 10:02:34 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:02:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: AOL Chat time??? Message-ID: Does anyone know what time tommorrow night's BOC AOL chat is? Is it 10 pm? I'm signing up for a (trial) membership to AOL at home today, and want to try and get on the chat. John From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Dec 9 10:16:29 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:16:29 UT Subject: BOC: Cult Classic Message-ID: >As far as the "Champions of Rock" cover goes, it was just a picture of >the band, and an old one too -- both Bouchards are in the picture. Why >this was done is beyond any logic that I have as the Bouchards had no >input into the album (well, other than having written some of the songs >originally, but they certainly didn't play on "Cult Classic"!). The logic of laziness, I'd hazard, not to mention the logic of not giving a flying one about the product... - Andy From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 9 10:30:47 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:30:47 +0800 Subject: HW: Lyrics for LSD Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > > Many Thanks!! > > Martyn Ditto William PS I have a scanner. If there are any lyrics on albums you don't have, let me know! From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 9 10:49:53 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:49:53 +0800 Subject: OFF slightly : X-Mas plans Message-ID: Paul G Ward wrote: > > On 6 Dec 96 at 9:34, Jon Browne wrote: > > > Just wondering, what gigs etc. are you lot looking foward to over > > the festive season, in the absence of any Solstice Hawkwind shows? > > > > Except for Radio Birdman on New Years, it's just the usual bands > playing down here sadly. Good news is that Patti Smith will be at the > Melbourne "Big Day Out" on Australia day weekend ... might even go to > it now! > > Paul > If she comes here, I'll probably go as well. There is very little to do in West Australia at any time of the year, so my Xmas will be at home as usual (which I don't mind). My list to Santa includes any CD's by ICU (which are impossible to get here anyway, so it won't come as a surprise if I don't get any). I usually have to order most things I am interested in. The only items I have seen that I want, are Deep Purple's remastered "Fireball" as well as "Space Daze". By the way, are the tracks by HW on that album the FULL versions??? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 9 10:53:41 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:53:41 +0800 Subject: woops Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > > >...and this means the BOC-l web site is back on Copyright Violation Cours= > >e. > > > >see http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=3Dind9612a&L=3Dboc-l&O=3DT&P=3D= > >21097 > >for further details > > > >\\joe > > Surely you mean: > http://listserv.spc.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9612a&L=boc-l&O=T&P=21097 > > I really hope that this issue doesn't blow up again on > the list. In copyright law, there is a fair use provision that > would cover fans sharing lyrics "for the purposes of study". > From reading the threads, I gather that Mike meant to > mail the lyrics file to me in response to my question about LSD > and it went to the list by mistake. For one I am overjoyed to > have a complete updated set of HW lyrics and I am sure that > many other people on the list are glad to have it. > But yeah, I spose that you're right and it shouldn't > be on a web page. So download the above mentioned URL right > now, kiddies, before the POLICE come and spoil our fun :-) > > Martyn Maybe the Hawks should consider bringing out a lyric book to avoid any future problems? William From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Dec 9 11:14:00 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:14:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Rough Guide and Fodor's Guide Message-ID: While xmas shopping, I browsed the entries for Hawkwind in two new books: The Rough Guide To Rock Music, and Fodor's Guide to 20th-Century Popular Music (or something like that). The Rough Guide was surprisingly good. It was positive overall, accurate, and up-to-date. On recent albums, it described IITBOTFTBD as electronic meandering, said that "The Business Trip" was a fine live album, and mentioned "Alien 4" positively. Fodor's Guide was not so good. It was written in a neutral style, which is fair enough, but it was inaccurate. For examples of 80's albums, it listed "Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Gagarin" and "Space Ritual 2". It also wasn't as up-to-date as the Rough Guide. Dave. ObCD: Electric Tepee. -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Dec 9 11:22:50 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:22:50 -0500 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Dec 9, 96 02:54:32 pm Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > > And you have to bear in mind that the early Elric stories are full of blatant > (some would say crass) symbolism - e.g., impaling a woman on a sword is about > as unsubtle a metaphor for the sex act as can be. I've had a hard time reading Moorcock ever since I read his essay on the subject of the Elric series, in _Elric at the End of Time_. I just read _City in the Autumn Stars_, which starts out as a truly wonderful historical adventure, with a very subtle and understated alchemical / mystical subtext. Then all of a sudden, it turned into another WarHammer-style grotestque and overwrought dark fantasy. I was hideously disappointed. Steve swann at panix.com From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Dec 9 11:13:15 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:13:15 +0000 Subject: BOC: Guitarists and Spectres In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 09 Dec 1996 10:01:26 EST." <199612091501.KAA05015@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > I don't think *Spectres* was regarded a "disappointment" for the most > part, but perhaps couldn't live up to the standard set by "Agents of > Fortune" (who's success probably also prompted people to give Spectres > a more critical listen, as BOC was now more in the public eye). Surely you mean AoF setting a standard in the commercial sense alone. Sure it contains DFtR, the most viable mental link most people have to the band, but beyond that (& maybe ETI) I reckon its a bit lacking in songs that really grab you by the whatevers. Spectres OTOH, contains what I'd regard as four quintessential post-ST BOC songs (GAoL, DVN, ILtN, Nosferatu) - all of which shine, even through the slight tarnish of being on an album with Godzilla & Goin' Thru' the Motions. > As far as "Searchin' for Celine" goes, as someone pointed out, I don't > think the song is supposed to be about the French author, but that's who's > name they used for the subject - the song appears to be about a woman. Indeed. Unless they use "she" just to obscure the true meaning :-) Tim From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Mon Dec 9 11:46:14 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:46:14 -0000 Subject: OFF: Elric and OJ Message-ID: What's this then? Sounds interesting I've had a hard time reading Moorcock ever since I read his essay on the subject of the Elric series, in _Elric at the End of Time_. Have you ever read "Gloriana, the Unfulfilled Queen"? from recollection this is one of the best (and different) Moorcock works that I have read, reminiscent of Gormenghast. I suggest that you give it a go as I don't remember it being Warhammeresque. Which reminds me. Have you ever read any of the comic strip Thrud the Barbarian? There is a hugely amusing sent up of Elric. Eric of BoneMalone with his feared sword Stoatbringer. If you can get a copy buy it. It sends up the whole fantasy thing in a really creative way. I did have a copy once but it long since disappeared into the ether. Anyone know if this is still available?? Mike P. I just read _City in the Autumn Stars_, which starts out as a truly wonderful historical adventure, with a very subtle and understated alchemical / mystical subtext. Then all of a sudden, it turned into another WarHammer-style grotestque and overwrought dark fantasy. I was hideously disappointed. 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If Mirrors came out like disco then it must >have been Werman's fault 'cause we weren't ino it. >Al Hmmm I was big into Disco at one time (yes I+m ashamed to admit but have learned to live with it) I would not classify Mirrors as anything "disco-esque", there isn+t that consistent rythm found in pure disco. Mirrors was more like "pop music" Now BOC has done some things that are funky (ETI), some R&B flavor (Vera Gemini) and even jazzy (Monsters), but never anything approaching disco. . Craig: At one time you used the Tysons Corner Towers. I like that store better than the one in Fair Lakes area. They have a greater supply of imports and for some reason they are cheaper than their FL counterparts. Recently the FL store listed a single copy of Threshold+s - Livedelicatessan EP. Wonderful but nobody in the farkin store can find it.. Will give the website a try. Recommend you take a quick listen to either Grethcen Goes to Nebraska or self titled King+s X disc. Marevelous group. Dream Theater is fine with me, weak lyrically but an impressive cast of musicians. This new Prog stuff can be pretty weird, you have the Dream Theater camp , the more metal than prog camp and mostly prog stuff. I think some of these guys should bow and salute in the direction of Brand X,; a lot of what they are doing was done by BX in the late 70+s. to avoid confusion with the big guy I+m switching to ======> ab ObCD - Galactic Cowboys - Galactic Cowboys "One day will live amongst the stars, maybe own a ranch on Mars." From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 9 12:08:45 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 01:08:45 +0800 Subject: ICU CD's Message-ID: Can someone give me info on the following ICU CD's: MOONLIT FLIT & NOW AND HERE I found mention of them on a cataloque on the WWW William From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Dec 9 12:14:19 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:14:19 UT Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Steve >I just read _City in the Autumn Stars_, which starts out as a truly >wonderful historical adventure, with a very subtle and understated >alchemical / mystical subtext. Then all of a sudden, it turned into >another WarHammer-style grotestque and overwrought dark fantasy. I >was hideously disappointed. The big problem with _City..._ is it was butchered fairly mercilessly by the publishers, which renders it incoherent. Though maybe the Millennium/White Wolf _Von Bek_ omnibus restores the cuts? (Allan?) FWIW, my favourite MM fantasy is the preceding Von Bek, _The War Hound and the World's Pain_, which is (IMO) mature but not decadent (which, I fear, is the case with _Blood_ et seq.) - Andy From hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM Mon Dec 9 12:26:40 1996 From: hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 09:26:40 -0800 Subject: BOC: AOL Chat time??? Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > > Does anyone know what time tommorrow night's BOC AOL chat is? Is it > 10 pm? I'm signing up for a (trial) membership to AOL at home today, > and want to try and get on the chat. > > John 7 pm Pacific, 10 pm eastern From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Dec 9 12:42:08 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:42:08 -0500 Subject: woops In-Reply-To: <32AC3605.3FC6@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, William Duffy wrote: > Maybe the Hawks should consider bringing out a lyric book to avoid any > future problems? They do, or at least they did. In fact, the first draft of the electronic version of the HW lyrics file was produced by laboriously typing up the entire contents of the official lyric book, bought at a gig. It has since been greatly expanded and many errors expunged by its present maintainers. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Brain Surgeons, _Box of Hammers_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Dec 9 08:37:51 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:37:51 +0000 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > Pam > p.s. : I have sonic blast on order!! Hope it makes it by Saturday-My > B-day present to me!!! > P do you mean sonic attack?or is this something new ive not heard about? a friend was talking last nite about something new,but couldn't remember what. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Dec 9 08:38:25 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:38:25 +0000 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > p.s. : I have sonic blast on order!! Hope it makes it by Saturday-My > B-day present to me!!! > P doh! happy birthday! rj From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Mon Dec 9 12:54:03 1996 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Jason Scruton) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:54:03 -0400 Subject: BOC: Champions of Cult Rock Classic Message-ID: >As far as the "Champions of Rock" cover goes, it was just a picture of >the band, and an old one too -- both Bouchards are in the picture. Why >this was done is beyond any logic that I have as the Bouchards had no >input into the album >The logic of laziness, I'd hazard, not to mention the logic of not >giving a flying one about the product... Another more greedy answer: If you were a newborn convert to BOC and knew the original lineup had split by seeing them live or something like that, would you rather by a "best of" compilation that had the original lineup supposedly on it (which the cover seemed to indicate), or a cd that had just the three guys from the original band with two stand ins? I'd say the former. his two cents are not worth as much a two pennies, Jason From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Dec 9 08:44:59 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:44:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: was:Re: Lemmy in Big.. this is silly... Message-ID: sorry to bug you with this: i had a dream last nite (i often dream about hw),and in it,lemmy rejoined hw.the best part was thumbing my nose at the motorhead fans who don't like hw.(i met several of these at a boc concert in philly). sorry again. rj From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Mon Dec 9 12:48:45 1996 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:48:45 E Subject: Julian Cope and HW Message-ID: Just a little tidbit... I was reading in a recent issue of SELECT possibly the most recent issue. And inside was a interview w/ Julian Cope. Besides conversing about his record collection (including a whole row of shelves dedicated to krautrock and HW... he said one of his most proudest moments was when he sold LSD to Hawkwind at some studio in 1980. just one of those neat facts that entertains.... On another subject; When is Dave Brock's B-day? I know Lemmy is 51 this Christmas so I'm guessing Dave is up there. What about Richard, Alan, and Ron?? Do they have families? Just wondering if anyone knew? peace, bryan "Hawkwind, this is not an obsession; it's a way of life!" -me From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Dec 9 08:51:15 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:51:15 +0000 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > > Geez, all you guys saying "Elric was innocent"! its only because he's white.....REALLY white... ;) but i dint say he was innocent,i said he dint murder his wives. and i said he was the least evil of his folk.which is true. > Surely it's a bit more complex than that (and I don't mean Melnibonean DNA :) > - how much of his actions were Stormbringer's, and how much his own > subconscious desires? > And you have to bear in mind that the early Elric stories are full of blatant > (some would say crass) symbolism - e.g., impaling a woman on a sword is about > as unsubtle a metaphor for the sex act as can be. moorcock himself has stated that people try to read too much symbolism into his novels. you must remember that elric impaled on his sword thousands of men and beasts as well. and elric had plenty enuff real love making to bother with hidden innuendos. i think the deaths of his loves were simply high drama.i mean th over all feel of the novels was hopeless despair. this is only my interpretation,and is not meant to bash yours andy,cos only mike really knows.... rj From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Mon Dec 9 12:51:06 1996 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:51:06 E Subject: HW: Lyrics for LSD Message-ID: In looking over the "illegal" lyric list I came across "Rambo In Space"; I checked the codex but I couldn't find any reference to it...Where is it from ??????????????? bryan From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Dec 9 08:54:10 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:54:10 +0000 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > I've had a hard time reading Moorcock ever since I read his essay on > the subject of the Elric series, in _Elric at the End of Time_. this piece of trash should be smitten from existence.its like the cartoon version of the real thing.and i think that it is a real bubble- burster. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Dec 9 08:56:17 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:56:17 +0000 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > FWIW, my favourite MM fantasy is the preceding Von Bek, _The War Hound and the > World's Pain_, which is (IMO) mature but not decadent (which, I fear, is the > case with _Blood_ et seq.) > > - Andy yes this is a great book! i have read it a few times,and recently! rj From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 9 13:08:56 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 02:08:56 +0800 Subject: HW: Lyrics for LSD Message-ID: Bryan Pitkin wrote: > > In looking over the "illegal" lyric list > I came across "Rambo In Space"; I checked the codex but I couldn't find any > reference to it...Where is it from > ??????????????? > I seem to remember seeing this one in a fanzine. Isn't it a Calvert poem??? William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 9 13:11:53 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 02:11:53 +0800 Subject: woops Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, William Duffy wrote: > > > Maybe the Hawks should consider bringing out a lyric book to avoid any > > future problems? > > They do, or at least they did. In fact, the first draft of the electronic > version of the HW lyrics file was produced by laboriously > typing up the entire contents of the official lyric book, bought at a gig. > It has since been greatly expanded and many errors expunged by its present > maintainers. > I recall reading of this before. Where can it be obtained??? William From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon Dec 9 13:28:10 1996 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:28:10 -0700 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > > > The big problem with _City..._ is it was butchered fairly mercilessly by the > publishers, which renders it incoherent. Though maybe the Millennium/White > Wolf _Von Bek_ omnibus restores the cuts? (Allan?) I have that one-and it seems to be the whole story, but not having read the other version, I can't help much. Awesome book, Tho!! > > FWIW, my favourite MM fantasy is the preceding Von Bek, _The War Hound and the > World's Pain_, which is (IMO) mature but not decadent (which, I fear, is the > case with _Blood_ et seq.) These are great! Keep rockin' Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace skarsol wrote: > > Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > > > Pam > > p.s. : I have sonic blast on order!! Hope it makes it by Saturday-My > > B-day present to me!!! > > P > > do you mean sonic attack?or is this something new ive not heard about? > a friend was talking last nite about something new,but couldn't remember > what. rj Yes I do-I goofed. That's what happens when it's after work (at 2 am) and I'm not seeing straight!!! Thanx!! Keep rockin' Pamskarsol wrote: > > Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > > > Pam > > p.s. : I have sonic blast on order!! Hope it makes it by Saturday-My > > B-day present to me!!! > > P > > do you mean sonic attack?or is this something new ive not heard about? > a friend was talking last nite about something new,but couldn't remember > what. rj -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace skarsol wrote: > > Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > > > p.s. : I have sonic blast on order!! Hope it makes it by Saturday-My > > B-day present to me!!! > > P > > doh! happy birthday! rj Thanx!!!! -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace from "skarsol" at Dec 9, 96 01:51:15 pm Message-ID: skarsol writes: > > > (some would say crass) symbolism - e.g., impaling a woman on a sword is about > > as unsubtle a metaphor for the sex act as can be. > > moorcock himself has stated that people try to read too much symbolism > into his novels. > you must remember that elric impaled on his sword thousands of men and > beasts > as well. Well, the Melniboneans *are* a decadent race, after all. ;-) Anyway, Morrcock stated outright in his essay (forget the name, but it's in the "Elric at the End of Time" compilation), that he added lots of sexual imagery to the books in a blatant attempt to make them more popular. > and elric had plenty enuff real love making to bother with hidden > innuendos. But in contrast to this point, notice that that the only genuinely empowering act for him was killing with Stormbringer (which as someone already mentioned, is often written as a grotesque parody of the sex act). Notice also, that Stormbringer behaves like a jealous mistress. Moorcock gives examples of this in the essay, such as it "screaming like a woman" when he tries to cast it away from him. > i think the deaths of his loves were simply high drama.i mean th over > all feel of the novels was hopeless despair. this is only my > interpretation,and is not meant to > bash yours andy,cos only mike really knows.... But since he wrote an essay on the subject, now we know. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Dec 9 14:24:55 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:24:55 -0500 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ In-Reply-To: <32AC1A02.77A@erols.com> from "skarsol" at Dec 9, 96 01:54:10 pm Message-ID: skarsol writes: > > Stephen Swann wrote: > > > I've had a hard time reading Moorcock ever since I read his essay on > > the subject of the Elric series, in _Elric at the End of Time_. > > this piece of trash should be smitten from existence.its like the > cartoon version of the real thing.and i think that it is a real bubble- > burster. rj Ah, I see you *have* read it. ;-) But are you refering to the title short story or the whole compilation? I found the essay more destructive to my appreciation for the Elric series than any bad short story (or even the self-parody "The Stone Thing") could ever be. Like I said, I've had a hard time reading Moorcock ever since. The fact that he seems to still lack a certain judicious restraint when writing fantasy, even at this late stage in his career, doesn't help any. If you're wondering what I mean, any random excerpt from last third of _City in the Autumns Stars_ should suffice for an example. By the way, in response to Andy's comment about _The War Hound and the World's Pain_, I agree - that was the highlight of Moorcock's fantasy career for me. Thus I expected great things from _CitAS_. Sigh. Steve swann at panix.com From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Dec 9 14:57:03 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:57:03 -0500 Subject: BOC: AOL Chat time??? Message-ID: John, the AOL chats are usually scheduled for 10pm EST. They're in the Nightclub. Email me your screen name after you sign up. R. From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Dec 9 14:15:32 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 06:15:32 +1100 Subject: OFF slightly : X-Mas plans Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: > If she comes here, I'll probably go as well. > > There is very little to do in West Australia at any time of the year, so > my Xmas will be at home as usual (which I don't mind). My list to Santa > includes any CD's by ICU (which are impossible to get here anyway, so it > won't come as a surprise if I don't get any). > I usually have to order most things I am interested in. The only items I > have seen that I want, are Deep Purple's remastered "Fireball" as well > as "Space Daze". By the way, are the tracks by HW on that album the FULL > versions??? > > William It's only got "adjust me", and it's the version from XISOS. The Nik Turner song from the album, God Rock, is the one from Space Ritual 94. Almost all of the other songs are at least good, with some great ones in there, too. I quite like the album, mainly because I haven't heard many of the other bands on it and have been looking for them for some time. -Max Wilcox From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Dec 9 14:18:17 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 06:18:17 +1100 Subject: ICU CD's Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: > > Can someone give me info on the following ICU CD's: > > MOONLIT FLIT & NOW AND HERE > > I found mention of them on a cataloque on the WWW > > William I don't know about these albums, but I've got the address of where to order one of the other albums, can't remember which one, off hand, but if you're interested, I'll dig it out. -Max Wilcox From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Mon Dec 9 14:26:04 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 06:26:04 +1100 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > > Steve > > >I just read _City in the Autumn Stars_, which starts out as a truly > >wonderful historical adventure, with a very subtle and understated > >alchemical / mystical subtext. Then all of a sudden, it turned into > >another WarHammer-style grotestque and overwrought dark fantasy. I > >was hideously disappointed. > > The big problem with _City..._ is it was butchered fairly mercilessly by the > publishers, which renders it incoherent. Though maybe the Millennium/White > Wolf _Von Bek_ omnibus restores the cuts? (Allan?) > > FWIW, my favourite MM fantasy is the preceding Von Bek, _The War Hound and the > World's Pain_, which is (IMO) mature but not decadent (which, I fear, is the > case with _Blood_ et seq.) > > - Andy From memory, City in the Autumn Stars, was about twice the size, with a completely different plot, and much more similar to "Brothel in Rossenstrasse" than his fantasy novels, untill Moorcock was told by the publishers that it was meant to be aimed at the fantasy-reading public. He had to hack away at it quite a lot. For the record, my favorite Moorcocks would have to be a tie between Brothel in Rossenstrasse, The Pyat series, and the Blood series. Oh, yes, and Jerry Cornelius. Can't forget Jerry.... -Max Wilcox From StevenTice at AOL.COM Mon Dec 9 15:54:57 1996 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:54:57 -0500 Subject: BOC, tBS: (Imaginos) Overture, sevens... Message-ID: Here are some interesting observations on Box of Hammers: I wonder how closely Overture resembles the original Imaginos Overture, but it certainly touches on most of the significant rhythms and melodies from the project. Here's my breakdown: 0:00 Imaginos 0:45 I Am The One You Warned Me Of 1:31 Del Rio's Song 1:49 In The Presence of Another World 2:22 ? 2:36 Magna of Illusion 2:56 Les Invisibles 3:15 Blue Oyster Cult 3:44 Frankenstein 4:03 Astronomy 4:46 The Girl That Love Made Blind 5:17 Imaginos I haven't identified the rhythm at 2:22 yet. Can anybody help? The wind sounds at the beginning and end of Overture echo the wind effect at the end of the Secret Treaties version of Astronomy, of course. Also note the inclusion of the rare "Girl" track that was finished but omitted from Imaginos. Seven seven seven...it seems that Albert was taken with sevens on Box of Hammers, as 'Lil Egypt is based on a fast 7/8 pattern followed by a slower 7/4 pattern (more easily followed as a measure of 3/4 followed by a measure of 4/4). The only other song with an odd meter is Laura's Plastic Swords, which also features a brief 7/8 pattern three measures long, repeated three times in the course of the song (right after Albert's verses and at the end). What I'm wondering is, why didn't Albert use any interesting time signatures like this on Imaginos, especially given that patterns of sevens would have brilliantly echoed the story? At any rate, Box of Hammers is another great album. I have to catch this band live sometime! SET I got a date with my guitar And a raisin with my keyboard From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Dec 9 16:01:56 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:01:56 -0500 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: >I spent Saturday night watching Live Chronicles for the umpteenth >time and noticed something that I missed before. I am almost sure >that at one point, Moorcock calls him "Elric the womanslayer"" and >then he says Elric ... "killed the only two mortal women he ever >loved". This seems to be very dubious behaviour for the hero of >a chronicle??? > >Martyn > >PS I just checked the lyric file and confirmed this Elric was called this in the books, too, though usually not to his face. With Cymoril, Ykkroon threw her at him and Stormbringer twisted in his hand and took her soul. It loved taking those he cared for the most. As for Zarozinia, she had been horribly warped by the forces of chaos at the time. Elric is probably better described as an anti-hero. He was specifically designed as an anti-Conan. Conan was huge, muscular, distrusted and feared sorcery, and fought all his life to win a kingdom. Elric was thin, weak, a superb sorcerer, and started with a powerful empire that he basically threw away, then returned to burn to the ground. From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Dec 9 16:02:02 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:02:02 -0500 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: >skarsol wrote: > >i think i was wrong about zarozinia.i think she picked up >stormbringer,to coerce >elric to use it,and it killed her by its lonesome. rj And again this is mixed up, that was Moonglum. The second-to-last person Stormbringer ever killed. From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Dec 9 16:02:10 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:02:10 -0500 Subject: woops Message-ID: >Johan Edlundh writes: > >"You can't do this, you can't do that > You can't go forward and you can't go back" "You can't tape this, you can't tape that You can't put lyrics on a world-web site" Although I'd pretty much agree they have a right to have that position if they so wish. From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Dec 9 16:02:00 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:02:00 -0500 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: >> PS I just checked the lyric file and confirmed this > >martyn,you simply must read the books.it really wasnt his fault. >cymorril>sp<,his first love was turned into a worm by yyrkoon,and elric >slew her for pity. zarozinia,i think,was killed by stormbringer,not >elric.(although,unfortunately elric was holding stormbringer at the >time) >also,elric is what is called an anti-hero.he actually had more heart >than any of his kinsmen,but was still from a cruel and tyrannical race, >and further,his actions were largely governed by stormbringer,the >most evil force ever.elric was haunted by guilt all his days,to the >point of being suicidal. rj You have them backwards. Zaronia was turned into a worm (cf. "Wizards of Pan Tang") though by that time Ykkroon was long gone... Cymoril (his cousing, BTW) was the one killed by Stormbringer... From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Dec 9 16:02:15 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:02:15 -0500 Subject: OFF: Elric and OJ Message-ID: >remember it being Warhammeresque. Which reminds me. Have you ever read any >of the comic strip Thrud the Barbarian? There is a hugely amusing sent up >of Elric. Eric of BoneMalone with his feared sword Stoatbringer. If you can >get a copy buy it. It sends up the whole fantasy thing in a really creative >way. I did have a copy once but it long since disappeared into the ether. >Anyone know if this is still available?? Thrud the Barbarian is excellent material, I highly recommend it. I picked up a graphic novel (collection of appearances in White Dwarf (ironic, considering the attempt of this thread to avoid 'Warhammeresque')) recently, people always keep borrowing it... From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Dec 9 16:02:13 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:02:13 -0500 Subject: BOC: Heavy Metal captions Message-ID: Having recently picked up a tv with captions, I discovered by accident that my tape of Heavy Metal has captions. In the section where Veteran of the Psychic Wars plays, they take a stab at it. I know sometimes people have had trouble picking out some of the lyrics (e.g., "Tacklemaggot", "Taco Bandits" for :"Tides of Madness"), but I don't think these captioners even tried. Here is what they have: (music symbol) I've seen you there like a dream Like a thousand psychic wars I've been living on the edge so long [continues, indistinct] And I'm young enough to look at yet far too old to see It's time we had a break from it [continues, indistinct]. From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Mon Dec 9 16:17:58 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 22:17:58 +0100 Subject: BOC: AOL Chat time??? Message-ID: >Does anyone know what time tommorrow night's BOC AOL chat is? Is it >10 pm? I'm signing up for a (trial) membership to AOL at home today, >and want to try and get on the chat. I should also have an AOL account within a few days (in addition to this one), so I'll probably join in some of the next BOC chats. Not tomorrow, though, I won't have the account yet... Tough. Alex S. Garcia --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash and more to come...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Mon Dec 9 16:18:01 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 22:18:01 +0100 Subject: BOC: Disco or Funk? Message-ID: >Hmmm I was big into Disco at one time (yes I+m ashamed to admit but have >learned to live with it) I would not classify Mirrors as anything >"disco-esque", there isn+t that consistent rythm found in pure disco. >Mirrors was more like "pop music" Now BOC has done some things that are >funky (ETI), some R&B flavor (Vera Gemini) and even jazzy (Monsters), >but never anything approaching disco. . I'm sorry to differ, but songs like "Moon crazy", "Lonely teardrops" or the title track sound very disco-esque to me. What about those handclaps, especially on "You're not the one (I was looking for)" ? Too much synths, too, IMO. Which doesn't mean the whole album is bad, I do like a few songs, like "The great sun jester" and "The Vigil" (which has great lyrics and a nice progressive touch). And "I am the storm" is an okay song. Well, of course, you're right, "Mirrors" does sound a lot like "pop music" too, and yes it has more rythm then disco does, but that's because BOC is a rock band before anything else. But I'm pretty sure Werman must have aimed at getting a disco feeling to top it off - and make it sound more "modern" or "commercial" (by 1979 standards)... whatever... My two cents. Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash and more to come...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 9 16:20:33 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:20:33 -0500 Subject: BOC: Guitarists and Spectres Message-ID: >Surely you mean AoF setting a standard in the commercial sense alone. Sure it contains DFtR, the most viable mental link most people have to the band, but beyond that (& maybe ETI) I reckon its a bit lacking in songs that really grab you by the whatevers. Spectres OTOH, contains what I'd regard as four quintessential post-ST BOC songs (GAoL, DVN, ILtN, Nosferatu) - all of which shine, even through the slight tarnish of being on an album with Godzilla & Goin' Thru' the Motions. Well, as far as folks in the music industry judgin *Spectres*, yes I meant the "commercial" standard AoF set -- then again, I don't think AoF was as "lacking" as you say. Aside from DFtR and E.T.I., I really like "Tattoo Vampire", and "The Revenge of Vera Gemini". "Sinful Love" is also pretty cool, along with "True Confessions" (although a little bit off stylistically for what might be "classic" BOC). But, I do agree with the songs from *Spectres* you list - I just think that AoF had it's share of great songs as well. But certainly, AoF was a commercial success almost singlehandedly on the strength of DFtR. And of course, Spectres has one major knock on it - the much-criticized-on- BOC-L-song, "Debbie Denise" John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 9 16:26:14 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:26:14 -0500 Subject: BOC: Champions of Cult Rock Classic Message-ID: >The logic of laziness, I'd hazard, not to mention the logic of not >giving a fl ying one about the product... Which, considering the fact that this band needs as much fan support as it can get these days, is without logic in and of itself . . . >Another more greedy answer: If you were a newborn convert to BOC and knew the original lineup had split by seeing them live or something like that, would you rather by a "best of" compilation that had the original lineup supposedly on it (which the cover seemed to indicate), or a cd that had just the three guys from the original band with two stand ins? I'd say the former. Maybe - but, I suspect that a BOC fan who would recognize the Bouchard brothers from a photograph would also know that they aren't in the band. I could be wrong about that, but ... Also, if someone did think that the Bouchards played on the album, yet they knew that they weren't in the band, then the person would probably assume that this was just a compilation of previously recorded material and not buy it (Note that what CC has going for it as a compilation is that the versions have been re-recorded. Unfortunately, that is also at times what it has going against it). John From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Dec 9 12:39:50 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:39:50 +0000 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > And again this is mixed up, that was Moonglum. The > second-to-last person Stormbringer ever killed. well,ya know,all this tells me,is that i get to read it yet again! ;) (this will make the sixth time) rj From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Dec 9 16:56:57 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:56:57 +1100 Subject: HW: Rambo in space (was HW: Lyrics for LSD) Message-ID: On 9 Dec 96 at 12:51, Bryan Pitkin wrote: > In looking over the "illegal" lyric list > I came across "Rambo In Space"; I checked the codex but I couldn't > find any reference to it...Where is it from ??????????????? It's a track they did live in the 80's (can't remember which gig tape I have it on). I'm amazed that they (Jill/FoFP) managed to extract the lyrics from it .... I can't make 'em out. From memory, it's just Blue Dreamer with some lyrix on top ... Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Dec 9 13:00:18 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 18:00:18 +0000 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > Ah, I see you *have* read it. ;-) But are you refering to the title > short story or the whole compilation? I found the essay more > destructive to my appreciation for the Elric series than any bad short > story (or even the self-parody "The Stone Thing") could ever be. > well,i cant actually say that ive read the whole thing.i remember reading the essay,but not the content.i made an effort at reading this,got about three quarters thru it, and tossed it in disgust. that is probably why i cant remember the essay,that it got labeled and canned. > Like I said, I've had a hard time reading Moorcock ever since. The > fact that he seems to still lack a certain judicious restraint when > writing fantasy, even at this late stage in his career, doesn't help > any. If you're wondering what I mean, any random excerpt from last > third of _City in the Autumns Stars_ should suffice for an example. most "good" fantasy at least has a smidgeon of credibility.moorcock tends to suggest things and seems to assume that his readers are stoned enough to fill in the gaps,or to simply accept that 'a twist of the stone in my magical ring will change forever reality,until i decide to twist it again.' to me,the moorcock masterpices are: (in no order) warhound and worlds pain, the first 5 elrics, the first three corums, hawkmoon (the originals,not count brass), and behold the man- beware of this if any of you christians are offended by fiction that is entirely blasphemous! > By the way, in response to Andy's comment about _The War Hound and the > World's Pain_, I agree - that was the highlight of Moorcock's fantasy > career for me. Thus I expected great things from _CitAS_. Sigh. hav'nt had the chance,only recently discovered that this was von bek.yer saying i shouldn't bother? rj > Steve > swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Dec 9 17:08:50 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:08:50 -0500 Subject: BOC: Guitarists and Spectres In-Reply-To: <199612092120.QAA29892@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Dec 9, 96 04:20:33 pm Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > [...] > And of course, Spectres has one major knock on it - the much-criticized-on- > BOC-L-song, "Debbie Denise" You know, for a FAQ maintainer, you're not very detail oriented. ;-) Debbie Denise is a strike against _AoF_, not _Spectres_. You do take time out from adding new novelettes to the FAQ to listen your BOC albums, don't you, John? ;-) That said, I'd take DD over Lonely Teardrops, True Confessions, or Mirrors any day. And some days, I'd take it over Dr. Music. It depends how down on bouncy-sounding electric drums I'm feeling. Steve swann at panix.com From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Dec 9 13:03:42 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 18:03:42 +0000 Subject: BOC: Guitarists and Spectres Message-ID: my oppinion of spectres: best- golden age medley. worst- ru ready to rock,followed by godzilla,tho godzilla was among my favorites when i was a teen. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Dec 9 13:08:49 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 18:08:49 +0000 Subject: BOC: 777 was: Re: BOC, tBS: (Imaginos) Overture, sevens... Message-ID: seven,seven,sevensevensev.... twice on seperate occasions,two different people, i heard someone chant this.once at work,and once at a party. i asked if they were into the cult,but was told no,both times. i asked where,then, did they come up with it.neither could answer, saying something like oh,i dunno,musta heard it somewhere.... just thot it was kinda weird.... rj From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Dec 9 18:02:14 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:02:14 UT Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: >You have them backwards. Zaronia was turned into a worm (cf. "Wizards >of Pan Tang") though by that time Ykkroon was long gone... Cymoril >(his cousing, BTW) was the one killed by Stormbringer... That's "Yyrkoon" :) Pronounced "YER-coon" by MM on the "Elric at the BBC" tape. Easy to remember, because it's another variant on Jerry Cornelius - "Jer-Corn"... BTW, "Cymoril" is pronounced "sim-OR-il". - Andy From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Dec 9 18:25:41 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:25:41 UT Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: >Ah, I see you *have* read it. ;-) But are you refering to the title >short story or the whole compilation? I found the essay more >destructive to my appreciation for the Elric series than any bad short >story If it's the essay I think it is (it's also in _Sojan_), then it's from 1964 itself. I just took it as a cocky young writer wanting to show off how clever and worldly wise he is, when he really just shows up how young and naive he is. >(or even the self-parody "The Stone Thing") could ever be. But that's brilliant! The wizard To'me'ko'op'r, etc... And the throwaway gag about "The History of the Purple Poignard" actually says everything you ever need to know about Elric. Curiously, I felt MM's later heroes - Hawkmoon and Corum - were much more interesting, with their adventures generally better written, than Elric, whom I never really cared for. Of all MM's hack-work, _Count Brass_ stands out as being genuinely affecting, and the Swords trilogy as being audacious and rather spectacular. - Andy From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Dec 10 10:47:25 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:47:25 EST Subject: HW: Rambo in space (was HW: Lyrics for LSD) In-Reply-To: <199612091820.FAA01528@hyme.pcmicro.com.au>; from "Paul G Ward" at Dec 11, 96 08:56:57 am Message-ID: > > On 9 Dec 96 at 12:51, Bryan Pitkin wrote: > > > In looking over the "illegal" lyric list > > I came across "Rambo In Space"; I checked the codex but I couldn't > > find any reference to it...Where is it from ??????????????? > > It's a track they did live in the 80's (can't remember which gig tape > I have it on). I'm amazed that they (Jill/FoFP) managed to extract > the lyrics from it .... I can't make 'em out. From memory, it's just > Blue Dreamer with some lyrix on top ... > Well they only played it once I think at Hammersmith 1989,the lyrics are from a poem by allan ashley,and they are in one of trev hughes books. I like it especially with Harvey rambling on,and it was my last gig before emigrating out here 3 days later. Marty(harvey's rambling appreciation society) From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Mon Dec 9 20:19:21 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:19:21 +1000 Subject: BOC: 777 was: Re: BOC, tBS: (Imaginos) Overture, sevens... Message-ID: Unless you sing to yourself unknowingly and they heard it from you, I could only guess that since _7_ is a significant mystical or magical number, the odds of it being chanted elsewhere might be fairly high. It turns up in a lot of lyrics, and in a lot of places. Pete. ObLyric: _I roll seven (seven), seven on the floor of the sea..._ - Perfect Water, which has been stuck on my brain for weeks. ObBloodyRidiculousMovie: *Hell Bound* - Chuck Norris Vs the Devil's agent. That's 666, not 777. I laughed for a few minutes, then turned it off..... At 06:08 PM 9/12/96 +0000, rj wrote: >seven,seven,sevensevensev.... > >twice on seperate occasions,two different people, i heard someone >chant this.once at work,and once at a party. >i asked if they were into the cult,but was told no,both times. >i asked where,then, did they come up with it.neither could answer, >saying something like oh,i dunno,musta heard it somewhere.... > >just thot it was kinda weird.... rj > > ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Gonna buy a fast car, put on my lead boots and take a long, long drive. I may end up spending all my money, but I'll still be alive." - The Who From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Dec 9 22:01:58 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 03:01:58 +0000 Subject: BOC: 777 was: Re: BOC, tBS: (Imaginos) Overture, sevens... Message-ID: Peter Sondergeld wrote: > > Unless you sing to yourself unknowingly and they heard it from you, I could > only guess that since _7_ is a significant mystical or magical number, the > odds of it being chanted elsewhere might be fairly high. It turns up in a > lot of lyrics, and in a lot of places. > Pete. youre probably right,one way or the other,but did ya ever have a number,word or phrase that just kept popping up?it seems to happen alot. im not into mysticism,i am not convinced of anything supernatural or paranormal,but sometimes coincidence can be downright unnerving! :) rj > ObBloodyRidiculousMovie: *Hell Bound* - Chuck Norris Vs the Devil's agent. > That's 666, not 777. I laughed for a few minutes, then turned it off..... > i liked it.to an extent.but i like a lot of poor movies. From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Dec 9 22:05:31 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 03:05:31 +0000 Subject: OFF: guided by voices Message-ID: someone on this list a while back requested any 'guided by voices' video. this person should definitely contact me.i have a piece that can only be called TREASURE. this is the best video footage of them in existence. (barring anything you might have seen on mtv or whatever) RJ From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Dec 10 02:59:50 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:59:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Lyrics for LSD Message-ID: At 12:51 09.12.96 E, you wrote: >In looking over the "illegal" lyric list >I came across "Rambo In Space"; I checked the codex but I couldn't find any >reference to it...Where is it from ??????????????? It is from London, Hammersmith Odeon, 07.Dec.1989 Bernhard From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Tue Dec 10 03:41:20 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:41:20 -0000 Subject: OFF: Elric and OJ Message-ID: ---------- From: Andrew A. Apold[SMTP:mordru at MAGG.NET] Sent: Monday, December 09, 1996 09:02 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: Elric and OJ Thrud the Barbarian is excellent material, I highly recommend it. I picked up a graphic novel (collection of appearances in White Dwarf (ironic, considering the attempt of this thread to avoid 'Warhammeresque')) recently, people always keep borrowing it... This could well be the one I had. Does it feature the mad evil sorcerer Tomi Kupah , and one section where Thrud is disguised as an old Woman? 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For those who are only familiar with the Sword and sorcery ones (which are a good read IMO) I would strongly recommend that you also read: The Blood Red Game (first MM book I ever read and brilliant) Warlord of the air trilogy Gloriana Behold the Man (as AA says though, Christians may find this highly offensive) Mike P. From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Dec 10 04:22:58 1996 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 02:22:58 -0700 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > >I spent Saturday night watching Live Chronicles for the umpteenth > >time: Hi! any possibility of info on obtaining this?? Just really curious!! Keep rockin' Pam . -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: His royal Swann-ness writes: >That said, I'd take DD over Lonely Teardrops, True Confessions, or >Mirrors any day. And some days, I'd take it over Dr. Music. EVERY day over Dr. Music. (The "Call the Doctor" backup singers make we want to barf.) "True Confessions", though, no way. TC is just too good a transition from "This Ain't The Summer Of Love" to DFtR, due to strangeness. It's one of the freaks in the show, telling you this isn't your father's Rock-n-roll album: this album's gonna be weird. Debbie Denise is AOF's comic relief. It's the crypt-keeper giving his bad pun ending to the story in the horror comic. It backs the listener away from The Edge (maybe a bit too far) before the album ends. It's a "Yeah, well, we were just kidding, anyway..." song. (Maybe this ruins the album for some folks, I dunno.) Nevertheless, I find it a bit unsettling because it *is* there, and *is* so out of place--just another freak in the show. Actually, as an album closer, it reminds me of "Redeemed" from their first album. Both albums have serious songs ("Cities On Flame" and "Tenderloin") followed by a complete stylistic change in the folk/country "Redeemed" and ummm...just what is "Debbie Denise"? Thing is, where "Redeemed" is sincere, DD is silly. m@ +-mbraun at urbana.mcd.mot.com-+- Yes I know the secrets of the iron and mind ---+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Their trinity acts a mineral fire. | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Yes I know the secrets of the circuitry mind | +---Special Projects Team---+--- It's a flaming wonder telepath... ----[BOC]+ From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Dec 10 05:40:26 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:40:26 UT Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: >WHOOOOaaaah, hang on a minute. BBC tape, BBC tape??? what BBC tape >is that then. Where can I get it from, what's on it etc etc. This is some readings by MM of some Elric stories, which were originally on Radio 1 (?) - BBC, anyway. 16 five-minute readings, each book-ended by one of the synth bits from _CotBS_ - "Shade Gate", I think. I got mine through a friend who's in the Nomads (MM fan club). They might still have copies. Only three quid. - Andy From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Tue Dec 10 06:35:57 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:35:57 -0000 Subject: OFF: Elric and OJ Message-ID: ---------- From: Andrew Gilham[SMTP:Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 1996 10:40 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Elric and OJ This is some readings by MM of some Elric stories, which were originally on Radio 1 (?) - BBC, anyway. 16 five-minute readings, each book-ended by one of the synth bits from _CotBS_ - "Shade Gate", I think. I got mine through a friend who's in the Nomads (MM fan club). They might still have copies. Only three quid. Do they have an email address? 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They've got a US address too, but don't ask me! :) - Andy From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Dec 10 08:12:34 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:12:34 +0000 Subject: BOC: Guitarists and Spectres In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 10 Dec 1996 04:27:47 CST." <199612101027.EAA09055@raygun.urbana.mcd.mot.com> Message-ID: > His royal Swann-ness writes: > >That said, I'd take DD over Lonely Teardrops, True Confessions, or > >Mirrors any day. And some days, I'd take it over Dr. Music. Mirrors yup, Let Go definitely. I'd agree with m@ about TC though. M@ follows - > Debbie Denise is AOF's comic relief. It's the crypt-keeper giving his bad > pun ending to the story in the horror comic. It backs the listener away > from The Edge (maybe a bit too far) before the album ends. It's a "Yeah, > well, we were just kidding, anyway..." song. Whereas Spectres has none of that, and remains better off IMHO. Apart from the tongue-in-cheek humour of Godzilla & the lite-rock ditty GTtM, its a contains a bunch of songs epic in scope and supremely eldritch in tone. There's no smiley at the end of the statement it makes - guess that appeals to me more. cheers, Tim From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Tue Dec 10 08:20:18 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Dan Clore) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 05:20:18 -0800 Subject: BOC: AoF & Spectres Message-ID: Okay, here's my song-by-song of Agents of Fortune and Spectres. Overall for both: a little thin, not quite as heavy as I'd like. _Agents of Fortune_: "This Ain't the Summer of Love" Very good. Might be better if the heaviness of the opening was maintained more throughout the song. "True Confessions" Well, ick. "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" Obviously, one of the best. The quieter, "pretty" sound works very well here with the sinister undertones. "E.T.I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence)" A personal favorite. Great lyrics. The weird sound in the chorus is a master-stroke. "The Revenge of Vera Gemini" Once again, ick. "Sinful Love" This is kind of catchy, though it leans a bit to the "ick" side. "Tattoo Vampire" A personal favorite. Good mix of the heavy and sinister. "Morning Final" Perhaps surprisingly, I like this one, even though it's really not the sort of thing I usually like. "Tenderloin" Another good one. Great use of Decadent aesthetics. Once again, good counterpoint of "pretty" music with somewhat sinister undertones. "Debbie Denise" Well, how many times can I type "ick"? _Spectres_ "Godzilla" Corny, but still cool. Possibly I'm influenced by nostalgia over the old Monster Matinee every Sunday afternoon. "Golden Age of Leather" Good, but I think this would have been a lot better if it was much heavier. "Death Valley Nights" Good, moody piece. A little thin-souding, perhaps. "Searchin' for Celine" Yet again, ick. "Fireworks" Nothing much here, not even an "ick". "R.U. Ready 2 Rock" Way too corny and obvious. "Celestial the Queen" Double-ick. "Goin' through the Motions" Ick again. "I Love the Night" Like "Reaper", one of the best. Could have been a little better, perhaps, if slightly heavier. "Nosferatu" A personal favorite. Dark and sinister. All in all, I'd say that on these two albums the good songs are very good--among their very best--but the bad songs just stink. Little middle ground here. -- Dan Clore The Website of Lord We?rdgliffe: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/ Welcome to the Waughters . . . From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Dec 10 08:24:37 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:24:37 +0000 Subject: OFF: Travellers & Thrud was Re: OFF: Elric and OJ In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:41:20 GMT." <01BBE675.EB6D6DC0@dhcp-14.dhcp.tadpole.co.uk> Message-ID: > Thrud the Barbarian is excellent material, I highly recommend it. I picked > up > a graphic novel (collection of appearances in White Dwarf (ironic, > considering > the attempt of this thread to avoid 'Warhammeresque')) recently, people > always > keep borrowing it... > > This could well be the one I had. Does it feature the mad evil sorcerer > Tomi Kupah , and one section where Thrud is disguised as an old Woman? That was an excellent story. Back in the days when White Dwarf was a decent gaming mag covering all the main RPGs, before it turned into the hideous 'only all things Games Workshop, Warhammer - yawn, Warhammer 40k - yawn' rag. I generally prefered the other WD strip of the time 'Travellers' - similar in vein, but a piss take of Star Wars, Alien etc mixed in with the Traveller RPG Did that ever make it into a graphic novels too ? Tim From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Dec 10 08:51:01 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:51:01 UT Subject: BOC: AoF & Spectres Message-ID: >"Tattoo Vampire" >A personal favorite. Good mix of the heavy and sinister. This was a huge Emma Bar jukebox favourite, way back in the seventies when atomic test- I mean, when I was a student - as the b-side of "Reaper". I think it got played more than "Reaper", in fact... Just like "7 by 7" may have got more plays than "Silver Machine" - hey, there's a 7-7-7 for you collectors of such things... anyway, where were we? >"Fireworks" >Nothing much here, not even an "ick". Come off it! Best thing on the album! >"I Love the Night" >Like "Reaper", one of the best. Could have been a little better, >perhaps, if slightly heavier. I used to like this, and "Nosferatu", a whole lot, but maybe it's just that what with Anne Rice and all her clones, vampires are now about as cool and interesting as dragons or unicorns. Actually, I'm not sure that either of these two albums have stood the test of time as well as _Tyranny and Mutation_, the album I now regard as BOC's best. - Andy From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 10 07:28:03 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:28:03 +0000 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ In-Reply-To: <19961209162250.9676.qmail@mindvox.com> Message-ID: In message <19961209162250.9676.qmail at mindvox.com>, Stephen Swann writes >Andrew Gilham writes: >> >> And you have to bear in mind that the early Elric stories are full of blatant >> (some would say crass) symbolism - e.g., impaling a woman on a sword is about >> as unsubtle a metaphor for the sex act as can be. > >I've had a hard time reading Moorcock ever since I read his essay on >the subject of the Elric series, in _Elric at the End of Time_. > >I just read _City in the Autumn Stars_, which starts out as a truly >wonderful historical adventure, with a very subtle and understated >alchemical / mystical subtext. Then all of a sudden, it turned into >another WarHammer-style grotestque and overwrought dark fantasy. I >was hideously disappointed. > >Steve >swann at panix.com You mean you didn't like the siege and crucifixtion/alchemical marriage at the end? Crumbs! No, I admit the ending is somewhat apocalypticly overblown, but the books still very recommendable. Why is there more talk about Moorcock and his work here than on the Moorcock list and alt. group I wonder? -- Jon Browne From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Tue Dec 10 09:24:46 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Dan Clore) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 06:24:46 -0800 Subject: BOC: AoF & Spectres Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > > >"Fireworks" > >Nothing much here, not even an "ick". > > Come off it! Best thing on the album! Does nothing for me either way . . . > >"I Love the Night" > >Like "Reaper", one of the best. Could have been a little better, > >perhaps, if slightly heavier. > > I used to like this, and "Nosferatu", a whole lot, but maybe it's just that > what with Anne Rice and all her clones, vampires are now about as cool and > interesting as dragons or unicorns. Actually, I'm not sure that either of > these two albums have stood the test of time as well as _Tyranny and > Mutation_, the album I now regard as BOC's best. Can't argue about vampires and Anne Rice, even without having read a single word about her. My "(Un)Dead Genres" defined "vampire fiction" as "beaten to a bloodless pulp." Still, I can overlook what's been done to the concept to appreciate something a little older, like Tieck's "The Bride of the Grave" (1790s, I think). I agree about _Tyranny and Mutation_ standing up better; that and _Secret Treaties_, or the first disc of _Workshop of the Telescopes_, or _Imaginos_, are what I put in the CD player for background when I'm at the computer. AoF or Spectres, just to hear specific songs. -- Dan Clore The Website of Lord We?rdgliffe: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/ Welcome to the Waughters . . . From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 10 08:43:50 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:43:50 +0000 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >That's "Yyrkoon" :) Pronounced "YER-coon" by MM on the "Elric at the BBC" >tape. Easy to remember, because it's another variant on Jerry Cornelius - >"Jer-Corn"... Never realised that, but then I always pronounced it EAR-coon! Did you note that Corum Jhaelen Irsei is an anagram of Jeremiah Cornelius? I was going to call my second son Cornelius. As it turned out I called her Caitlin. -- Jon Browne From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 10 09:44:24 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:44:24 -0500 Subject: BOC: Guitarists and Spectres Message-ID: >> And of course, Spectres has one major knock on it - the much-criticized-on- > BOC-L-song, "Debbie Denise" >You know, for a FAQ maintainer, you're not very detail oriented. ;-) Debbie Denise is a strike against _AoF_, not _Spectres_. You do take time out from adding new novelettes to the FAQ to listen your BOC albums, don't you, John? ;-) Ah shit - ya caught me, Steve. Got my wires crossed there. That's what I get for postin' so many damn opinions of mine here on BOC-L. But, I won't apologize for fear someone'll flame me for bein' apologetic! ;-) <-- but I'm still not adverse to usin' smiley's ;-) >That said, I'd take DD over Lonely Teardrops, True Confessions, or Mirrors any day. Maybe over Mirrors or Lonely Teardrips, but I'll take True Confessions over Debbie Denise -- and I'll try and remember that their on the same album! John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 10 10:01:48 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:01:48 -0500 Subject: BOC: AoF & Spectres Message-ID: >"The Revenge of Vera Gemini" Once again, ick. Ack! You're serious, aren't you? Well, this one has always been one of my faves from AoF -even before I knew Al was on this list ;-) >"Godzilla" Corny, but still cool. Possibly I'm influenced by nostalgia over the old Monster Matinee every Sunday afternoon. Yeah, Godzilla movies is what initially brought me to BOC, so, corny as it is, this song will always mean something to me -- without it, I probably never would've heard of BOC, never met all you folks here (sniff), no FAQ, etc... Besides, try and go to a BOC show and not sing along when they play it - corny as it may be. >"Searchin' for Celine" Yet again, ick. Yeah - waste of a cool bassline... >"R.U. Ready 2 Rock" Way too corny and obvious. Well, I always liked this one - I wish BOC would go back to use it as an opener (as they did around '85 - '88) and give "Stairway to the Stars" a rest. John ObCD: The Brain Surgeons, *Box of Hammers* From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Dec 10 10:02:10 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:02:10 UT Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: >Never realised that, but then I always pronounced it EAR-coon! So did Harvey! >Did you note that Corum Jhaelen Irsei is an anagram of Jeremiah >Cornelius? Yes, but only a year or two ago. My fave MM anagram is from _Dragon in the Sword_ - Pharl Asclett, prince of Skrenaw, also known as Pharl of the Heavy Palm. Don't know what Charles Platt made of that :) > I was going to call my second son Cornelius. As it turned out >I called her Caitlin. I'd say she got lucky! :))) - Andy From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Dec 10 10:17:35 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:17:35 -0500 Subject: OFF: Elric and OJ Message-ID: >Thrud the Barbarian is excellent material, I highly recommend it. I picked >up >a graphic novel (collection of appearances in White Dwarf (ironic, >considering >the attempt of this thread to avoid 'Warhammeresque')) recently, people >always >keep borrowing it... > >This could well be the one I had. Does it feature the mad evil sorcerer >Tomi Kupah , and one section where Thrud is disguised as an old Woman? Yeah... the one where Thrud has to go off and kill a beast that "cannot be slain by hand of mortal man". Because of the wording, this girl follows him, only to discover that Thrud circumvents the prophecy a different way... he kicks the monster to death. . . girl: "Careful, barbarian! That's snake's poisonous!" Thrud: (spitting) "I thought it tasted funny." =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Dec 10 10:21:07 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:21:07 -0500 Subject: BOC: AoF & Spectres Message-ID: >>"The Revenge of Vera Gemini" >Once again, ick. > > >Ack! You're serious, aren't you? >Well, this one has always been one of my faves from AoF -even before >I knew Al was on this list ;-) I'm with ya on this one... it's not time for another poll, is it? =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Tue Dec 10 10:30:27 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Dan Clore) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 07:30:27 -0800 Subject: BOC: AoF & Spectres Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > > >"The Revenge of Vera Gemini" > Once again, ick. > > Ack! You're serious, aren't you? I'm afraid so. I just don't like that song. > >"R.U. Ready 2 Rock" > Way too corny and obvious. > > Well, I always liked this one - I wish BOC would go back to use it as > an opener (as they did around '85 - '88) and give "Stairway to the > Stars" a rest. Too much like one of those stupid "party" type songs for my taste. My taste in that direction begins and ends with the Butthole Surfers' "Booze, Tobacco, Dope, Pussy, Cars". (The lyrics are a simple repetition of the title words over and over . . .) Other than the lyrics, though, I do kind of like R.U.R. -- Dan Clore The Website of Lord We?rdgliffe: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/ Welcome to the Waughters . . . From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 10 08:46:17 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:46:17 +0000 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ In-Reply-To: <01BBE676.7541DA40@dhcp-14.dhcp.tadpole.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <01BBE676.7541DA40 at dhcp-14.dhcp.tadpole.co.uk>, Mike Parkington writes >WHOOOOaaaah, hang on a minute. BBC tape, BBC tape??? what BBC tape is that then. >Where can I get it from, what's on it etc etc. > >Mike P. Join the Nomads Of The Time Streams for a start. The International Moorcock Appreciation Society, who also now have a list going BTW -- Jon Browne Nomad of The Time Stream #1147 From ABrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 10 11:44:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R. (MSMail)) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:44:00 -0700 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? Message-ID: Alex>-I'm sorry to differ, but songs like "Moon crazy", "Lonely teardrops" or the title track sound very disco-esque to me. What about those handclaps, especially on "You're not the one (I was looking for)" ? Too much synths, too, IMO.- OK I see your point but I surmise that none of this stuff is danceable when compared to... I dunno...Queen+s Hot Space album (we did a lot of dancing to this one). Differences of opinion really but disco has one sound, funk another, and if BOC ever showed any dancing inclinations it is definitely on the funky side. Also if you think about it most of that funky rythm came courtesy of Mr. A. Bouchard. tBS+ "Soul Jive" is a good example of that groovy funky sound that Al has going. As for AOF vs. Specters I think both albums are quite good, cut from the same vein but I actually prefer Specters a bit more than AOF. Simple reason GAoL. lil+ ab "And the sounds of truth ring hollow in this pretense world of show and the footlights burn their pathways as the profits come and go and the seeming some - day singer lives the Carney Barker+s dream saying all by saying nothing in the language of a scream" From Moriaud at MAIL.DEC.COM Tue Dec 10 10:57:34 1996 From: Moriaud at MAIL.DEC.COM (Jean-Charles Moriaud) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:57:34 -0000 Subject: BOC: AoF & Spectres Message-ID: >>"The Revenge of Vera Gemini" >Once again, ick. > > >Ack! You're serious, aren't you? >Well, this one has always been one of my faves from AoF -even before >I knew Al was on this list ;-) Ah, one of my favorites either. I particularly appreciate the bass line. This song was never mentioned in the polls. I'm glad I'm not alone to prefer this one to the whole Imaginos type of noise.... Jean-Charles Moriaud From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Dec 10 11:03:30 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:03:30 -0500 Subject: BOC: AoF & Spectres Message-ID: >John A Swartz wrote: >Other than the lyrics, though, I do kind of like R.U.R. I always thought this song was way misunderstood, especially as part of the Imaginos saga. I picture it being set at a party being held in the final days before some coming apocalypse, and the conflicting emotions which take place there. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Dec 10 07:03:21 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:03:21 +0000 Subject: Nomads (was Elric and OJ) Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > > Don't know if they have e-mail or not - the UK postal address is > > The Nomads of the Time Streams > 18 Laurel Bank > Truss Hill Road > South Ascot > Berks SL5 9AL > > at least that's the address on the tape. They've got a US address too, but > don't ask me! :) > > - Andy alan t grohe. if someone knows his email address,please post it here.he runs some us faction of the nomads,and im sure he can help.he was involved in the hw covers tapes,so im sure one of you must have it. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Dec 10 07:10:24 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:10:24 +0000 Subject: OFF: vampyr,was:Re: BOC: AoF & Spectres Message-ID: Dan Clore wrote: > Can't argue about vampires and Anne Rice, even without having read a > single word about her. My "(Un)Dead Genres" defined "vampire fiction" > as "beaten to a bloodless pulp." Still, I can overlook what's been done > to the concept to appreciate something a little older, like Tieck's "The > Bride of the Grave" (1790s, I think). > sorry for lack of content,but for anyone looking for something new and interesting in vampyres,i recommend brian lumley's necroscope series. his are the most original vampyres ive seen.if these were made to movies,they would be the best horror flicks ever made. the only way to work content into this,is to say that lumley calls devon england home,and so does our baron brock. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Dec 10 07:15:42 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:15:42 +0000 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > > >Never realised that, but then I always pronounced it EAR-coon! > > So did Harvey! > to me,it always sounded like harvey pronounced it like i do- year(roll the r)coon. langton pronounses it waarkoon,but hes got some weird inflections(one of the things i loved about him). > >Did you note that Corum Jhaelen Irsei is an anagram of Jeremiah > >Cornelius? > hmmm very interesting.... > > I was going to call my second son Cornelius. As it turned out > >I called her Caitlin. i always wanted to call my first son elric.my mother always called me a cruel bastard. rj From blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Tue Dec 10 11:32:58 1996 From: blauchno at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:32:58 -0700 Subject: BOC: AoF & Spectres -Reply Message-ID: "The Revenge of Vera Gemini" Once again, ick. >>>>>>>> My god! I love this song. This is, without question, one of my all time favorites "Debbie Denise" Well, how many times can I type "ick"? >>>>>>>>>> Despite the slamming this song gets, I like it. Not a lot, but I do like it. "Golden Age of Leather" Good, but I think this would have been a lot better if it was much heavier. >>>>>>>>>> This song is perfect as-is. "Searchin' for Celine" Yet again, ick. >>>>>>>>> E-gads man. This is pretty good stuff. "Goin' through the Motions" Ick again. >>>>>>>>> This I agree with whole-heartedly. Too much late 70's pop to be a BOC song. It's the kind of song your sister would like - ACK! -. All that clapping makes me ill. Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From ABrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 10 12:51:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R. (MSMail)) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:51:00 -0700 Subject: BOC: AOL Chat Message-ID: Can someone who is participating in the chat inquire about the rest of the song listing for EW? Will the excerpts be posted anywhere? Thanks lil ab ob CD - Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush - Dragonfly sig line correction before I'm flamed "And the sounds of truth ring hollow in this pretense world of show and the footlights burn their pathways as the profits come and go and the seeming some - day singer lives the Carney Barker+s dream >selling< all by saying nothing in the language of a scream" From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Tue Dec 10 12:43:16 1996 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (haiwhachahaiuh!) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:43:16 -0400 Subject: BOC: AoF & Spectres: two of a perfect pair (?) Message-ID: I have always felt that CBS's decision to put them on the 2 for 1 cassette perfectly mirrors the 2 LPs in their content. For me, they represnt BOC's version of the Rubber Soul/Revolver pairing of the Beatles (which in the video documentary has surviving beatles say they are volumes 1 and 2 of that period of Beatle growth). Spectres all in all seems to me to be refinement of the work done in AoF-more multi-segment songs (GAoL,Nosferatu and RUR2R(because of the hep vocal things goin' down) off the top of my head) and in some instacnes (like GTtM) experimentation with what we might call "pop" forms. The attitutde of Spectre seemed to be a shade more positive than the starkness (or maybe it's just a subtler starkness) of AoF's "Reaper" driven atmosphere. After all, they did decide to close the lp with Nosferatu instead of another "Debbie Denise" song. In conclusion (doing his best "Hi-I'm-Mr.-Rock-Critic" impersonation) AoF/S (or "sofa" heehee) seem to be the A and B side of BOC's mid70's efforts, but in this case, both are a fine testament to each other and to the band's total sound picture. Stagnancy kills a good water supply after all; AoF/S manage to keep BOC unique and good to "drink." (hows that for parallels?:)) Eating too many wheaties, Jason From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Tue Dec 10 14:16:42 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 20:16:42 +0100 Subject: BOC: AOL Chat time??? Message-ID: Well, well, well... what do you know ? I finally got my AOL account started, much much sooner then I expected ! So I might be able to join in the chat tonight. Now, if I could just figure out what time GMT is 10 EST... can anyone help ? I'll never get this timezone stuff figured out *sighs and shakes head* Alex S. Garcia. P. S. My AOL login is Desdenova... cool, eh ? *grin* --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash and more to come...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Dec 10 14:36:49 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:36:49 -0500 Subject: BOC: AOL Chat time??? Message-ID: Alex asks: >tonight. Now, if I could just figure out what time GMT is 10 EST... can >anyone help ? I'll never get this timezone stuff figured out *sighs and >shakes head* At 10pm EST tonight (Dec 10), it will be 3am GMT (Dec 11) Martyn From mjf at GRAHAM.COM Tue Dec 10 14:54:12 1996 From: mjf at GRAHAM.COM (Mike Fuller) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:54:12 -0800 Subject: HW: Griffin WotEoT wierdness Message-ID: A couple of months ago, I got the Griffin _Warrior on the Edge of Time_ CD for Kollector's sake, but already having the Dojo version, I didn't bother to listen to it until last night. I don't know what the heck is on it, but it sure ain't Hawkwind! Has this happened to anyone else? Also, I got it by mail-order, and it's probably too late and too much trouble to try to explain what happened and return it. Does anyone know if Griffin will exchange it? ObBOC: Last night, I had a dream that I was filling-in at a BOC concert for Eric, who had lost his voice. I was also playing "stun guitar" when something came loose on my guitar and 4 strings popped off. It was really obvious that something was wrong, but no one could hear it because the guitar wasn't plugged-in! I was hopelessly embarrassed, and then I woke up. Seriously, this is exactly what I dreamed! ObCD: Helios Creed, _Cosmic Assault_ -- Mike From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Dec 10 15:10:30 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:10:30 -0500 Subject: HW: Griffin WotEoT wierdness In-Reply-To: <199612101954.LAA11956@whorfin.graham.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Mike Fuller wrote: > A couple of months ago, I got the Griffin _Warrior on the Edge of Time_ > CD for Kollector's sake, but already having the Dojo version, I didn't > bother to listen to it until last night. I don't know what the heck is > on it, but it sure ain't Hawkwind! Has this happened to anyone else? It sounds like the well-known Griffin _WotEoT_ mispressing disaster has struck you! As I recall, the contents are actually Pendragon(?). > Also, I got it by mail-order, and it's probably too late and too much > trouble to try to explain what happened and return it. Does anyone know > if Griffin will exchange it? Yes, they will exchange it. I also have a dim recollection that Jill Strobridge was looking for one of these mispressings for her Kollection. I'm sure she'd gladly take it off your hands if that is still the case... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Screaming Trees, _Sweet Oblivion_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Dec 10 15:17:18 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 21:17:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Griffin WotEoT wierdness Message-ID: >A couple of months ago, I got the Griffin _Warrior on the Edge of Time_ >CD for Kollector's sake, but already having the Dojo version, I didn't >bother to listen to it until last night. I don't know what the heck is >on it, but it sure ain't Hawkwind! Has this happened to anyone else? > >Also, I got it by mail-order, and it's probably too late and too much >trouble to try to explain what happened and return it. Does anyone know >if Griffin will exchange it? > >-- > Mike You seem to have a copy of the Pendragon's "The World" A bulk of the Griffin WotEoT were improperly mixed with the Pendragon CD. The "Warrior" jewel case had a Pendragon CD in it, and reverse. As far as I understand this CD was printed with a WotEoT image - you may confirm this? I would gladly trade this misprint against another CD - contact me privately if you want to get rid of it :0) \\joe From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Dec 10 12:09:31 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:09:31 +0000 Subject: HW: alan davey news Message-ID: hi, just got a cmas card from sheik al davi (that's how he signed it. ;), and anne, and in it he tells a little about his new band called BEDOUIN. this is basically the band he was working on touring with, consisting of himself,danny thompson(ex-hawkdrums),and ex cpt.rizz guitarist sean massett.the band is working up a very original sound, and he says he will send me an ep-taste in march. he also plans to bring this show to the U.S. extremely flattered,at being remembered, ron and karyn. )rj( From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Dec 10 12:13:17 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:13:17 +0000 Subject: HW: Griffin WotEoT wierdness Message-ID: Mike Fuller wrote: > > A couple of months ago, I got the Griffin _Warrior on the Edge of Time_ > CD for Kollector's sake, but already having the Dojo version, I didn't > bother to listen to it until last night. I don't know what the heck is > on it, but it sure ain't Hawkwind! Has this happened to anyone else? > > Also, I got it by mail-order, and it's probably too late and too much > trouble to try to explain what happened and return it. Does anyone know > if Griffin will exchange it? i seem to remember someone had this problem before.it was something like starcastle on there.some progstuff anyway. contact griffin on the web. im sure they will help. tell them you got it as a gift.i am sure they know of the problem. btw-the griffin ver. has much better sound than the dojo,which was recorded off vinyl,i think. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Tue Dec 10 12:14:32 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:14:32 +0000 Subject: HW: Griffin WotEoT wierdness Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > It sounds like the well-known Griffin _WotEoT_ mispressing disaster has > struck you! As I recall, the contents are actually Pendragon(?). ahhh,that's right. btw- was it a mispressing,or just the wrong disc in there? From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Dec 10 15:26:33 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 07:26:33 +1100 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > In message , Andrew Gilham > writes > >That's "Yyrkoon" :) Pronounced "YER-coon" by MM on the "Elric at the BBC" > >tape. Easy to remember, because it's another variant on Jerry Cornelius - > >"Jer-Corn"... > > Never realised that, but then I always pronounced it EAR-coon! > Did you note that Corum Jhaelen Irsei is an anagram of Jeremiah > Cornelius? And there's JC - Jesus Christ/Jerry Cornelius link, too.... -Max Wilcox From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Dec 10 16:50:58 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:50:58 +1100 Subject: OFF: vampyr,was:Re: BOC: AoF & Spectres Message-ID: On 10 Dec 96 at 12:10, skarsol wrote: > sorry for lack of content,but for anyone looking for something new > and interesting in vampyres,i recommend brian lumley's necroscope > series. his are the most original vampyres ive seen.if these were > made to movies,they would be the best horror flicks ever made. the > only way to work content into this,is to say that lumley calls devon > england home,and so does our baron brock. rj I second this suggestion .... would have to be the best series in this genre I've read in quite a while (and the movie would be awesome!) Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From mjf at GRAHAM.COM Tue Dec 10 18:04:50 1996 From: mjf at GRAHAM.COM (Mike Fuller) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:04:50 -0800 Subject: HW: Griffin WotEoT wierdness In-Reply-To: <32AD9A78.2266@erols.com> Message-ID: >>>>> On Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:14:32 +0000, skarsol >>>>> said: >> It sounds like the well-known Griffin _WotEoT_ mispressing disaster >> has struck you! As I recall, the contents are actually Pendragon(?). skarsol> ahhh,that's right. skarsol> btw- was it a mispressing,or just the wrong disc in there? Mispressing -- the disk is really labeled _WotEoT_. -- Mike From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Tue Dec 10 18:45:08 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 00:45:08 +0100 Subject: BOC: AOL Chat time??? Message-ID: >Alex asks: >>tonight. Now, if I could just figure out what time GMT is 10 EST... can >>anyone help ? I'll never get this timezone stuff figured out *sighs and >>shakes head* > >At 10pm EST tonight (Dec 10), it will be 3am GMT (Dec 11) > >Martyn > Muchas gracias, Martyn... *says he in an attempt to sound as if he could speak mexicano ;-)* I should be there... might be much of a zombie, though... what was that "I love the night" bit again ? *grin* Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash and more to come...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Dec 10 21:38:08 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 21:38:08 -0500 Subject: BOC: AoF & Spectres In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Dec 10, 96 01:51:01 pm Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > > >"Tattoo Vampire" > >A personal favorite. Good mix of the heavy and sinister. > > This was a huge Emma Bar jukebox favourite, way back in the seventies when > atomic test- I mean, when I was a student - as the b-side of "Reaper". I > think it got played more than "Reaper", in fact... Just like "7 by 7" may Same here. Probably because "Reaper" was old hat to me by the time I bought the album. But Tattoo Vampire is amazing - I love Buck's guitar stomping all over everything interlude; this is simply one of the greatest guitar-jamming tunes of all time. Cool fucked up lyrics too. ;-) > >"Fireworks" > >Nothing much here, not even an "ick". > > Come off it! Best thing on the album! You're both boneheads! Death Valley Nights *makes* this album. ;-) > >"I Love the Night" > >Like "Reaper", one of the best. Could have been a little better, > >perhaps, if slightly heavier. > > I used to like this, and "Nosferatu", a whole lot, but maybe it's just that > what with Anne Rice and all her clones, vampires are now about as cool and > interesting as dragons or unicorns. Actually, I'm not sure that either of I always felt like something of a heretic for not thinking that "I Love the Night" is absolutely precious. "Nosferatu", on the other hand, is a masterpiece; there are few things like it in thew whole of rock music (and about half of them are on Imaginos). > these two albums have stood the test of time as well as _Tyranny and > Mutation_, the album I now regard as BOC's best. Well, I probably regard it as BOC's best, if we don't count Imaginos as a BOC album. Which is really funny, if you consider that I sold my first copy of it to a used record shop. (Only to buy another copy 6 months later, because the desire to hear "Wings Wetted Down" again had really started to eat at me. My fanaticism for "7 Screaming Diz-Busters" and "Quicklime Girl" came later). Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Dec 10 21:45:24 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 21:45:24 -0500 Subject: BOC: AoF & Spectres In-Reply-To: <32AD6392.EFC@columbia-center.org> from "Dan Clore" at Dec 10, 96 05:20:18 am Message-ID: Dan Clore writes: > > "Godzilla" > Corny, but still cool. Possibly I'm influenced by nostalgia over the > old Monster Matinee every Sunday afternoon. There's a live 7" promo single of it out there which I always used to hear in the days of AOR. It's absolutely storming, and makes the studio version sound pale and anemic. When you hear that version, you don't have to make excuses for liking it. ;-) Alas, the only time I've ever laid eyes on an actual copy of this was in Al's own record collection. Steve swann at panix.com From debony at CYBERCOM.NET Tue Dec 10 22:25:15 1996 From: debony at CYBERCOM.NET (Antony & Debbie) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 22:25:15 -0500 Subject: hey!! :) Message-ID: hello! i've just re-subbed to this list after a few years! :) i go by walrus (if any of you remember me?) or peacenik, i used to be in melbourne australia, but now i'm in boston, usa! so if there are any other hawkfans in the vicinity of new england maybe we can hook up sometime! :) peace-lovin mung beans wal ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peacenik & Dreamflower `For every flower given, another grows inside.' PeacePie Paradise: http://www.cybercom.net/~debony "To wonder at something is to be aware of a wonder." -- M.C. Escher ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Wed Dec 11 03:19:21 1996 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Karl Hiller) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 03:19:21 -0500 Subject: HW: Francis Bacon? In-Reply-To: <199612041236.NAA11788@kirov.eunet.no> Message-ID: So I was reading "New Atlantis" by Sir Francis Bacon for a class, and I noticed this passage. The speaker is one of the ruling class of a utopian island: "You shall understand that there is not under the heavens so chaste a nation as this of Bensalem, nor so free from all pollution or foulness. It is the virgin of the world..." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ There's nothing else to connect this to the Hawkwind song of the same name (no undead or anything), but it is a pretty distinctive phrase. I wonder if Hawkwind may have borrowed the phrase from someone who got it from Bacon? ("New Atlantis" was published in 1627). Is this a useful bit of trivia for the Codex? Karl From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 03:54:27 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:54:27 -0000 Subject: Griffin WotEoT wierdness Message-ID: Come on then Mike, Give us a clue as to what the strange music was that's there in its place. How about offering a prize to the person who correctly identifies the source. A sort of Christmas competition. Mike P ---------- From: Mike Fuller[SMTP:mjf at GRAHAM.COM] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 1996 07:54 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW: Griffin WotEoT wierdness A couple of months ago, I got the Griffin _Warrior on the Edge of Time_ CD for Kollector's sake, but already having the Dojo version, I didn't bother to listen to it until last night. I don't know what the heck is on it, but it sure ain't Hawkwind! 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Where else could the expression have come from? -- Jon Browne From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Dec 11 07:02:04 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 23:02:04 +1100 Subject: OFF: darXtar Lyric Book Message-ID: Gidday All! The official "darXtar Lyric Book" is finally online!!!! Browse through pages of space art and darXtar lyrics from all their albums at http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/darXtar/LyricBook Yours in Space, Paul/Sonique -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 05:27:21 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 10:27:21 +0000 Subject: Griffin WotEoT wierdness In-Reply-To: <01BBE740.EAE94560@dhcp-14.dhcp.tadpole.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <01BBE740.EAE94560 at dhcp-14.dhcp.tadpole.co.uk>, Mike Parkington writes >Give us a clue as to what the strange music was that's there in its place. >How about offering a prize to the person who correctly identifies the >source. A sort of Christmas competition. > >Mike P It's Pendragon, Mike. Now about that prize, can you drink it? :))) -- Jon Browne From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Dec 11 07:50:25 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 23:50:25 +1100 Subject: hey!! :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Antony & Debbie wrote: > hello! > > i've just re-subbed to this list after a few years! :) Welcome again! > i go by walrus (if any of you remember me?) or peacenik, i used to be in > melbourne australia, but now i'm in boston, usa! so if there are any other > hawkfans in the vicinity of new england maybe we can hook up sometime! :) > We can hook up if you come back to Melbourne, (Hey, don't ya miss the Footy?). Troy > peace-lovin mung beans > wal Groovy. From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Dec 11 08:51:52 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 00:51:52 +1100 Subject: BOC: AoF & Spectres: two of a perfect pair (?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: BOC nuts, I have never heard a bad BOC song, and therefore never heard a bad album. Spectres and AoF rule, in full! Maybe I just like good music put out by good musos. you can call them, "Dr. Music- (Call the doctor)". Troy ObLP- Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush, What's Next. From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 09:04:56 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:04:56 -0000 Subject: Griffin WotEoT wierdness Message-ID: Hmmmm, I have an old scratched Hawks single at home, maybe I could offer this as a prize, I can't even remember what it is. I think that Golden Void is on one side. Mike P ---------- From: Jon Browne[SMTP:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 1996 10:27 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Griffin WotEoT wierdness In message <01BBE740.EAE94560 at dhcp-14.dhcp.tadpole.co.uk>, Mike Parkington writes >Give us a clue as to what the strange music was that's there in its place. >How about offering a prize to the person who correctly identifies the >source. A sort of Christmas competition. > >Mike P It's Pendragon, Mike. Now about that prize, can you drink it? :))) -- Jon Browne begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(CD.`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &`#0!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```%$`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!"3T,O2&%W:W=I;F0@ M1&ES8W5S``(P`0````4```!33510`````!X``S !````%P```$)/0RU,0$Q)4U13 M15)6+E-00RY%1%4```,`%0P!`````P#^#P8````>``$P`0```!\````G0D]# M+TAA=VMW:6YD($1I[`1X`< `!````'0```%)%.B!'``@0`0```&4```!(34U-32Q) M2$%614%.3TQ$4T-2051#2$5$2$%72U-324Y'3$5!5$A/344L34%90D5)0T]5 M3$1/1D9%4E1(25-!4T%04DE:12Q)0T%.5$5614Y214U%34)%4E=(051)5$E3 M251(``````(!"1 !````7@,``%H#``"J!0``3%I&=1(W213_``H!#P(5`J@% MZP*#`% "\@D"`&-H"L!S970R-P8`!L,"@S(#Q0(`<')"<1'BA[A'W$`<"?]!4!E'' #H!80!X &T" AEG<1@ 5 :2+Q M at 4<\$0%D")D,4(Q'O Q.3DV-\ P MF#HR-S)_+/U4;S2_=2\[31^P= 4@'E$6$&//!2 (D (P)2%F("B $\!A,#!/ M0RU,.+\SCG6<8FHK`3K?+SM294$P+D<&@2CP`Z!7*N!%;VY4(K (D3:R(70E03P";4J@ M0%1!1%!/]$Q%, at 0^(K %$!/01,:H/D=I''%U(+)C"D'?()),H"*T(% ED70= M,!D0Y1R ;4]0:6,BL$_R(M'^)U'B!) <@$.A(Q $( M12,`)($\X"CP!Y%0 MH4Z&?U9P"'!3<12P'0`5L3WB0[YH!1 3P # !" %H&U60/\\X#S@`B!3ETZ& M)N\<`E(RZE )\&0=,&<"($MD(V">3E0W) ,@]2&!('D(8 X at 7C CPB,0/R Z M*?]AH J%*\`#T``0````4```!213H@`````'=A ` end From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Wed Dec 11 09:39:33 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 22:39:33 +0800 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > > That's "Yyrkoon" :) Pronounced "YER-coon" by MM on the "Elric at the BBC" > tape. Easy to remember, because it's another variant on Jerry Cornelius - > "Jer-Corn"... > Just how many variants are there? Apart from all the obvious ones such as Elric, Erekose, etc., etc.. William PS Like Doctor Who, Robin Hood and James Bond, it appears The Eternal Champion is a Time Lord with regenerative powers! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 11 09:55:08 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 09:55:08 -0500 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Last night's AOL Chat Message-ID: Well, with my 50 hour trial of AOL, I managed to check out one of the infamous BOC "chat" sessions. Lots of fun (although a bit hectic), and the folks over there made me feel quite at home. Eric came on for a bit and reported the following on the new album: Recording is basically done (!!), still on schedule for March '97 release. Cover work is being done by ... aw shit I forget the guy's name (although many on the chat were screaming for Gawlick ;-) ), but the cover is not yet done. Eric left the chat and Albert was on (he seemed to leave a bit abruptly - so you can draw your own conclusions...) and it was cool to see that he seems to still have alot of fan support over there (contrary to some what I had thought - being that Eric/Buck are in AOL land and Albert is here on BOC-L - but enough of that). I think tBS have now been asked to play just about everywhere in the country, so Al, I hope you're gonna start lining up some gigs! A few folks hadn't heard of tBS and hopefully will be checking them out (I mentioned to them that the mailing address is in the FAQ). A few also inquired about BOC-L (no-one flamed us - even Bolle, who showed up later ;-) ), and I expect one or two new people signing up on BOC-L in the next few days. You have been warned! ;-) Also, while browsing the band folders in the "Music Mesage Center" on AOL, I was surprised to find not only a folder for BOC, but also Soft White Underbelly, The Red and The Black, and Oaxaca -- and they say I've got too much time on my hands ... ;-) Also - Bolle reports that MF 14 should be shipped prior to Christmas. This means that I should be ready with revision 2.2 of the FAQ by the first of the year. Good seeing Jack, Steve, and Albert (and I probably missed someone else - sorry 'bout that) and Ric on the chat. John From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Wed Dec 11 10:10:04 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 16:10:04 +0100 Subject: Jerry Richards Message-ID: Hi folks Here is a list of gigs, HAWKWIND played with Jerry Richards Hope it is useful for you TOWN: HALL: DATE: DAY: LINE-UP: ================================================== Isle Of Man Festival 07.06.95 Wed BR/DA/CH/BS/RI Isle Of Man Festival 08.06.95 Thu BR/DA/CH/BS/RI London BBC Studio 27.07.95 Thu BR/DA/CH/BS/RI Pentrich Festival 29.07.95 Sat BR/DA/CH/BS/RI Cunlhat Festival 18.08.96 Sun BR/CH/BS/RI Tilburg Festival 07.09.96 Sat BR/DA/CH/BS/RI Rotterdam Nighttown 08.09.96 Sun BR/DA/CH/BS/RI Thesaloniki Milos 08.11.96 Fri BR/DA/CH/BS/RI Athen Rodon Club 09.11.96 Sat BR/DA/CH/BS/RI Bernhard From mpower at FCMC.COM Wed Dec 11 10:08:00 1996 From: mpower at FCMC.COM (Marc Power) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 10:08:00 -0500 Subject: Griffin WotEoT wierdness Message-ID: I got the Griffin WotEoT and guess what? It was Hawkwind! ;) Cheers! Marc. P.S. Anyone remember Lady June's Linguistic Leprosy? What was that codpiece-like synth that the guy was playing? From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 10:33:22 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 15:33:22 -0000 Subject: FW: Griffin WotEoT wierdness Message-ID: Hmmmm, I have an old scratched Hawks single at home, maybe I could offer this as a prize, I can't even remember what it is. I think that Golden Void is on one side. Mike P ---------- From: Jon Browne[SMTP:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 1996 10:27 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Griffin WotEoT wierdness In message <01BBE740.EAE94560 at dhcp-14.dhcp.tadpole.co.uk>, Mike Parkington writes >Give us a clue as to what the strange music was that's there in its place. >How about offering a prize to the person who correctly identifies the >source. A sort of Christmas competition. > >Mike P It's Pendragon, Mike. Now about that prize, can you drink it? :))) -- Jon Browne From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Dec 11 09:32:21 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 01:32:21 +1100 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: William Duffy wrote: > > Andrew Gilham wrote: > > > > That's "Yyrkoon" :) Pronounced "YER-coon" by MM on the "Elric at the BBC" > > tape. Easy to remember, because it's another variant on Jerry Cornelius - > > "Jer-Corn"... > > > > Just how many variants are there? Apart from all the obvious ones such > as Elric, Erekose, etc., etc.. > > William > > PS Like Doctor Who, Robin Hood and James Bond, it appears The Eternal > Champion is a Time Lord with regenerative powers! Jeeze, god knows... In an infinite number of alternate universes, I guess there would be an infinite number of champions. Moorcock certainly gives the impression that there are quite a few. He mentions many that he hasn't written about. I guess that every society has a champion, though the champion is not necessaraly the central character of all of his books. I seem to remember there being some kind of confusion between wether Una Persson or Jerry were the champion. -Max Wilcox From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 11:04:47 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 16:04:47 -0000 Subject: OFF: Lardbringer Message-ID: I have it on fairly good authority that the current incarnation of the Eternal Champion is Vic Reeves and Stormbringer has been reincarnated as the oversized frying pan that you sometimes see him with. I believe that it goes by the sinister name of Lardbringer. Scary eh? Mike P. ---------- From: Max Wilcox[SMTP:s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 1996 02:32 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Elric and OJ William Duffy wrote: > > Andrew Gilham wrote: > > > > That's "Yyrkoon" :) Pronounced "YER-coon" by MM on the "Elric at the BBC" > > tape. Easy to remember, because it's another variant on Jerry Cornelius - > > "Jer-Corn"... > > > > Just how many variants are there? Apart from all the obvious ones such > as Elric, Erekose, etc., etc.. > > William > > PS Like Doctor Who, Robin Hood and James Bond, it appears The Eternal > Champion is a Time Lord with regenerative powers! Jeeze, god knows... In an infinite number of alternate universes, I guess there would be an infinite number of champions. Moorcock certainly gives the impression that there are quite a few. He mentions many that he hasn't written about. 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Thus I expected great things from _CitAS_. Sigh. > > hav'nt had the chance,only recently discovered that this was von bek.yer > saying > i shouldn't bother? rj Well, I'm not necessarily saying that. The first part the book is excellent, mature fantasy/adventure writing. Some of his best, actually. But around the last third, it degenerates into a hideous parody, exhibiting every one of Moorcock's worst excesses. Bleah. Funny, I had a similar experience recently, reading _The Difference Engine_. It started out as one of the best "alternate history" fantasy novels I have ever read, and then degenerated (by about 1/3 of the way through the book) into a hopeless, muddied mess. Steve swann at panix.com From ABrevard at SHL.COM Wed Dec 11 12:22:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R. (MSMail)) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 10:22:00 -0700 Subject: BOC: Fabulous Vera Gemini Message-ID: You learn something new everyday, someone who dosen't like Vera Gemini. Well enough abuse of this poor person, to each their own. The only thing better then Vera Gemini is if tBS did a remake and expanded Patti Smiths lines. Bet you'd love it then. How much heavier could GAoL be anyway? This one is in my top five. Best BOC album (yawn) gotta be ST. Can somebody fill us in on the chat last night? lil' ab "And the sounds of truth ring hollow in this pretense world of show and the footlights burn their pathways as the profits come and go and the seeming some - day singer lives the Carney Barker+s dream selling all by saying nothing in the language of a scream" From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Wed Dec 11 13:11:14 1996 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (haiwhachahaiuh!) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:11:14 -0500 Subject: BOC: Fabulous Vera Gemini Message-ID: one of many abs wrote, > The only >thing better then Vera Gemini is if tBS did a remake and expanded Patti >Smiths lines. Bet you'd love it then. I remember reading most likely on here that tBS did in fact do Vera Gemini as an encore or set closer a while back. And I am certain it, like all they do, rocked will a high degree of roll. I'm not the one I was looking for, Jason From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Dec 11 13:23:17 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:23:17 -0500 Subject: BOC: AoF & Spectres -Reply Message-ID: >"Goin' through the Motions" >Ick again. >>>>>>>>>> >This I agree with whole-heartedly. Too much late 70's pop to be a BOC >song. It's the kind of song your sister would like - ACK! -. All that clapping >makes me ill. While I also somewhat agree, I can't but help but like the irony in that it seems to fit its own theme perfectly. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Dec 11 13:23:20 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:23:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: >Jon Browne wrote: >> > And there's JC - Jesus Christ/Jerry Cornelius link, too.... Julius Caesar? =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Dec 11 13:43:38 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:43:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: >Well, I'm not necessarily saying that. The first part the book is >excellent, mature fantasy/adventure writing. Some of his best, >actually. But around the last third, it degenerates into a hideous >parody, exhibiting every one of Moorcock's worst excesses. Bleah. > >Funny, I had a similar experience recently, reading _The Difference >Engine_. It started out as one of the best "alternate history" >fantasy novels I have ever read, and then degenerated (by about 1/3 of >the way through the book) into a hopeless, muddied mess. I too, thought for awhile it lost its way, but then that seemed to be the whole point of the book, too. I ended up enjoying in spite of (or because of) this. I felt it well worth the trouble of wading through. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Wed Dec 11 12:45:53 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (TRANSMANIACON MC) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:45:53 EDT Subject: BOC: AoF & Spectres -Reply Message-ID: >>"Goin' through the Motions" >>Ick again. >>>>>>>>>> >>This I agree with whole-heartedly. Too much late 70's pop to be a BOC >>song. It's the kind of song your sister would like - ACK! -. All that clapping >>makes me ill. >While I also somewhat agree, I can't but help but like the irony in that it >seems >to fit its own theme perfectly. If so many of us are against the hand clapping, how do you feel about the "heys" in Astronomy, especially the Imaginos version? I've learned to tune them out somewhat, but when I first heard the song (Imaginos version) it bothered me to no end! I didn't hear the ST, SEE, and CC versions until later, and I think that their use of "heys" are more tollerable, but it can really cause an adverse reaction at times. Brian >=================================== >Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random > >Baron of Silverwater >Barony of Silverwater >Kingdom of the Burning Lands >http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm >(Andrew A. Apold) From JenWaldorf at AOL.COM Wed Dec 11 13:51:01 1996 From: JenWaldorf at AOL.COM (Jennifer Waldorf) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:51:01 -0500 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Last night's AOL Chat Message-ID: In a message dated 96-12-11 10:00:12 EST, you write: << Eric left the chat and Albert was on (he seemed to leave a bit abruptly - so you can draw your own conclusions...) and it was cool to see that he seems to still have alot of fan support over there (contrary to some >> If you are insinuating that he left because Albert was there, he didnt. Albert came in around the same time as Eric, but he didnt announce who he was, and noone but Eric (and I because I asked him in an IM) knew who he was. Eric may have left abruptly, which to me is rather characteristic for him, but I dont think it had anything to do with Albert. Jen From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 11 14:34:25 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:34:25 -0500 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Last night's AOL Chat Message-ID: >If you are insinuating that he left because Albert was there, he didnt. I'm saying it seemed curious to me - I don't know Eric's reason for leaving, but I know he left quickly, and basically said something to the effect of "Albert will answer questions" (not a direct quote). >Albert came in around the same time as Eric, but he didnt announce who he was, and noone but Eric (and I because I asked him in an IM) knew who he was. I didn't notice when Albert came in, but you and Eric weren't the only one's who knew, because someone sent me a flash message soon after with Albert's screen name and asked me "recognize the name?", and then told me that he had IM'd when he came on as well. I hope I have not "stirred the pot" in some people's minds. I do not "take sides" in any dispute (past, present, or future) between members. I am a fan of BOC with and without Albert, as well as Albert with and without BOC -- as Deb once said, I'm an "equal opportunity boot-licker" ;-) BTW, I happened to read a post on the AOL BOC folder from someone who claims that there are a few of us hear on BOC-L who "kiss Deb's and Al's butts" -- I think that person is misinformed. Being a big fan of tBS and wanting to spread the word of their music has nothing to do being a butt-kisser. As for me personally (the "equal opportunity boot-licker, or perhaps equal-opportunity butt-kisser in this case), I've done as much as I can to promote BOTH bands. The difference between Al and BOC as far as some BOC-L members opinion of them boils down to this: In recent history, Albert has released 3 albums; BOC? But, I think that there are alot of people here on BOC-L very excited by the prospects of a new BOC album - some of it may be cautious optimism because BOC has had a bad habit in the 90's of announcing albums that never materialized. And, while everything looks good so far, "Ezekiel's Wheel" is not available - yet. So, BOC-L discussion is more likely to turn to "Box of Hammers". And that ain't butt-kissing... John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 11 14:17:21 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 15:17:21 EDT Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Last night's AOL Chat Message-ID: >> From: John A Swartz > Subject: Re: BOC, BRAIN: Last night's AOL Chat > > > BTW, I happened to read a post on the AOL BOC folder from someone who > claims that there are a few of us hear on BOC-L who "kiss Deb's and Al's > butts" -- I think that person is misinformed. Being a big fan of tBS I've been on this list for awhile now, and I don't see much evidence of that. The only thing close is that BOC-L tends to needle BOC and not tBS. And, as you say below, that's 'cause tBS are active, putting out quality albums and playing gigs [though not enoug to suit me] {BTW, does anyone know why tBS don't play more gigs} And, too, since BOC haven't been active, it gives us more time to pore over their past works. And if we find fault... Also, I think a lot of us are just plain enthusuastic for tBS, and are happy to see Al kicking ass. Nothing wrong with exuberance... > and wanting to spread the word of their music has nothing to do being > a butt-kisser. As for me personally (the "equal opportunity boot-licker, > or perhaps equal-opportunity butt-kisser in this case), I've done as > much as I can to promote BOTH bands. The difference between Al and BOC > as far as some BOC-L members opinion of them boils down to this: In > recent history, Albert has released 3 albums; BOC? But, I think that > there are alot of people here on BOC-L very excited by the prospects of > a new BOC album - some of it may be cautious optimism because BOC has > had a bad habit in the 90's of announcing albums that never materialized. John, they were doing that in the 70s! EB was always off by as much as a year when announcing new albums, even at the peak of BOC's career. Guess he just likes to bust our chops! theo From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Dec 11 16:00:22 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 21:00:22 UT Subject: Francis Bacon? Message-ID: >Is this a useful bit of trivia for the Codex? Not the Codex, but I've added it to the trivia file :) Thanks! Andy From torgo at NORWICH.NET Wed Dec 11 16:30:02 1996 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 16:30:02 -0500 Subject: BOC: Poll? Message-ID: Out from unda da rock: > >>>"The Revenge of Vera Gemini" >>Once again, ick. >> >> >>Ack! You're serious, aren't you? >>Well, this one has always been one of my faves from AoF -even before >>I knew Al was on this list ;-) Vera Gemini thang woke me up. Not flaming, but wow it sure stings and leaves a nasty old welt when my fave BOC song gets a good old fashioned kick to the crotch like that. Damn, I even think it left a scar that time. :^) >> >>I'm with ya on this one... it's not time for another poll, is it? Poll? Did someone say poll? It seems like I just did the last one. Or maybe its just the pain from it all still echoing through my brain like backfire. :^D Back Under da rock. Torgo has left the building...... torgo at norwich.net ************************************************************************ .... Torgo hated Christmas, the whole Christmas season, oh please don't ask why, no one quite knows the reason, it could be perhaps that his shoes were too tight, it could be his head wasn't screwed on quite right, but I think that the most likely reason of all, is that Torgo's small heart was two sizes too small..... ************************************************************************ From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Wed Dec 11 15:59:22 1996 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:59:22 -0700 Subject: HW: Griffin WotEoT wierdness Message-ID: Joe wrote: >>A couple of months ago, I got the Griffin _Warrior on the Edge of Time_ >CD for Kollector's sake, but already having the Dojo version, I didn't >bother to listen to it until last night. I don't know what the heck is >on it, but it sure ain't Hawkwind! Has this happened to anyone else? >> >>Also, I got it by mail-order, and it's probably too late and too much >trouble to try to explain what happened and return it. Does anyone know >if Griffin will exchange it? >> >>-- >> Mike >You seem to have a copy of the Pendragon's "The World" It cracks me up when this happens, as one of my jobs is to write software to prevent these sort of mixups from occurring (I am an engineer in a CD factory). There is usually a Production Control Number on the inner hub of a disc, which is supposed to be unique for a given recording. It might be interesting to compare these numbers between correct and incorrect discs. I have often thought how easy it would be to insert cool Flicknife-style messages on the inner hubs of discs, but it would likely get me in trouble! My favorite inner-hub message on vinyl is from a copy of Lubricated Goat's _Paddock of Love_ (on the Australian Black Eye label). It reads: "This is a REAL satanic message: the reader of this shall perish!" Cheers, Chris From debony at CYBERCOM.NET Wed Dec 11 18:23:49 1996 From: debony at CYBERCOM.NET (Antony & Debbie) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 18:23:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ In-Reply-To: <32AEC7A4.1C46@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: I recently got the warhound trilogy in one volume, and this is my second time reading it. I think this is MM's best in the Elric saga. I read a few of the other Elric's (with Yyrkoon and all them) but they were no mqatch for these! Hey, isn't there one based on The Black Corridor? And if so, has anyone read it? peas ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peacenik & Dreamflower `For every flower given, another grows inside.' PeacePie Paradise: http://www.cybercom.net/~debony "To wonder at something is to be aware of a wonder." -- M.C. Escher ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Wed Dec 11 19:36:54 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 01:36:54 +0100 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Last night's AOL Chat Message-ID: >Good seeing Jack, Steve, and Albert (and I probably missed someone else - >sorry 'bout that) and Ric on the chat. Hey, I was there too ! :-( You're forgiven, though... Alex S. "Call me Desdenova" Garcia --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash and more to come...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Wed Dec 11 19:36:56 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 01:36:56 +0100 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? Message-ID: >Alex>-I'm sorry to differ, but songs like "Moon crazy", "Lonely >teardrops" or the >title track sound very disco-esque to me. What about those handclaps, >especially on "You're not the one (I was looking for)" ? Too much >synths, >too, IMO.- > >OK I see your point but I surmise that none of this stuff is danceable >when compared to... I dunno...Queen+s Hot Space album (we did a lot of >dancing to this one). Differences of opinion really but disco has one >sound, funk another, and if BOC ever showed any dancing inclinations it >is definitely on the funky side. Yeah, I guess the stuff on Mirrors isn't danceable, but that's because it's still BOC and it's still rock. It's not as if they had tried to make it real disco. My feeling is that they (or rather "he", since we're probably talking about Werman here) just wanted to make it sound a little like what was on the market at the time, in hope, maybe, that it would help sales. As for it sounding funky, I dunno, never thought of that actually. I'll have to give the album another listen and check that out... hmm... Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash and more to come...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Dec 11 19:19:17 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 11:19:17 +1100 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Antony & Debbie wrote: > > I recently got the warhound trilogy in one volume, and this is my second > time reading it. I think this is MM's best in the Elric saga. I read a few > of the other Elric's (with Yyrkoon and all them) but they were no mqatch > for these! Hey, isn't there one based on The Black Corridor? And if so, > has anyone read it? > > peas Based on the Black Cooridor? Oh, you mean the song? The song's just the first few lines of the book, actually, so it's actually the song taken from the book. I realy liked the book when I read it. It's one of Moorcock's more psychedelic books, and gets quite strange in parts. On a slightly different topic, does anyone know the background to "Armor for Everyday"? I know it's a Moorcock composition, but has he ever performed it? The only time I've ever heard it is with Genesis P-Orrage doing it. -Max Wilcox From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Dec 11 20:44:20 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 20:44:20 -0500 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? Message-ID: >Yeah, I guess the stuff on Mirrors isn't danceable, but that's because it's >still BOC and it's still rock. It's not as if they had tried to make it real >disco. My feeling is that they (or rather "he", since we're probably talking >about Werman here) just wanted to make it sound a little like what was on >the market at the time, in hope, maybe, that it would help sales. Well, didn't Mirrors sell better than CE? =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Wed Dec 11 20:45:52 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 02:45:52 +0100 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Last night's AOL Chat Message-ID: >A few also inquired about BOC-L (no-one flamed us - even Bolle, who >showed up later ;-) ), And why would they have flamed ? Is there a rule of some sort according to which a mailing-list for BOC fans shouldn't be mentionned on a chat meant for BOC fans ? *somewhat puzzled* >and I expect one or two new people signing >up on BOC-L in the next few days. You have been warned! ;-) I know there's at least one new member on the list right now ! Hi Steve, and welcome ! :-) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash and more to come...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Dec 11 19:49:49 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 11:49:49 +1100 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > >Jon Browne wrote: > >> > > > And there's JC - Jesus Christ/Jerry Cornelius link, too.... > > Julius Caesar? I'd say that all of the incarnations of the champion are primaraly martyr figures, and Caesar isn't realy one of these. But, I guess that doesn't realy matter that much. There's also Jimi Hendrix. He's certainly one. You could also include (though I'm a bit dubious on this one) Curt Cobain to the martyr list. Another dead (martyr) singer. I guess he'd fit - many of the characters have a J and a C or both, in their initials. Now if only I could find some kind of significance in these two letters? Er...I think I may be reading a bit too much into it now. But I guess that it's almost impossible to tell what's being "read into" a text and what's not... - Max Wilcox (Jax Cilcox) From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Wed Dec 11 21:23:26 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 12:23:26 +1000 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Last night's AOL Chat Message-ID: Maybe you've missed the fun, but there have been times when AOL and BOC-L haven't been kind to each other. Some here have said things to the effect of "AOL has a pathetic pandering attitude" and AOLers have said things to the effect of "BOC-L is hostile to BOC (including current band members) and AOL". It's flared a few times (and I suspect simmers in the background) as maybe some sort of sibling rivalry perhaps. I don't know why, but it always makes me think of the "People's Front of Judea" and the "Judean People's Front" ;) There was also a recent post from Bolle that was "critical" of BOC-L and stirred things up for a while. Any clearer? What are you doing up at 2.45am anyway? Pete. At 02:45 AM 12/12/96 +0100, Alex wrote: >>A few also inquired about BOC-L (no-one flamed us - even Bolle, who >>showed up later ;-) ), > >And why would they have flamed ? Is there a rule of some sort according to >which a mailing-list for BOC fans shouldn't be mentionned on a chat meant >for BOC fans ? *somewhat puzzled* > >>and I expect one or two new people signing >>up on BOC-L in the next few days. You have been warned! ;-) > >I know there's at least one new member on the list right now ! Hi Steve, and >welcome ! :-) > > > >Alex S. Garcia. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... > http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ > (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, > Slash and more to come...) >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Gonna buy a fast car, put on my lead boots and take a long, long drive. I may end up spending all my money, but I'll still be alive." - The Who From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Dec 12 03:37:46 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:37:46 +0100 Subject: BOC: AOL Chat Message-ID: >Maybe you've missed the fun, but there have been times when AOL and BOC-L >haven't been kind to each other. Some here have said things to the effect of >"AOL has a pathetic pandering attitude" and AOLers have said things to the >effect of "BOC-L is hostile to BOC (including current band members) and >AOL". It's flared a few times (and I suspect simmers in the background) as >maybe some sort of sibling rivalry perhaps. I don't know why, but it always >makes me think of the "People's Front of Judea" and the "Judean People's >Front" ;) There was also a recent post from Bolle that was "critical" of >BOC-L and stirred things up for a while. Any clearer? Yeah. But still doesn't make any sense, if you ask me ! :-o I'd already heard all this stuff you mentioned, but it just seems so... uh... childish ? I dunno. We're all grown up adults here, aren't we ?... AREN'T WE ? Gee, at least one or two of you folks could have agreed ;-) Anyway, what I mean is that all this stuff just sounds futile to me. I'm a BOC fan and as long as I have an AOL access I will be joining that chat, no matter what whoever may think. I like BOC and I want to chat about BOC. Don't care much about the rest. If the guys on AOL think I'm a pro-Al (whatever that's supposed to mean !) because I'm on BOC-L, well, let them think so if it can make them feel better - and maybe let them make their own mind while I'm there. It's just plain ridiculous, that's what I say. Whatever. >What are you doing up at 2.45am anyway? Ah, well, haven't you heard ? Some say I'm a vampire... that's right, yeah, call me Nosferatu ;-) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash and more to come...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Dec 11 12:38:17 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 17:38:17 +0000 Subject: Griffin WotEoT wierdness In-Reply-To: <01BBE76C.4AADA9C0@dhcp-14.dhcp.tadpole.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <01BBE76C.4AADA9C0 at dhcp-14.dhcp.tadpole.co.uk>, Mike Parkington writes >Hmmmm, > >I have an old scratched Hawks single at home, maybe I could offer this as a >prize, I can't even remember what it is. I think that Golden Void is on one >side. > >Mike P I was jokin', Mike. This has been mentioned a couple of times before, and the answer had been posted before you offered the prize. Still, if you're giving old singles away, I don't have that one!!:)) -- Jon Browne From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu Dec 12 07:35:42 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Mikey pops) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 12:35:42 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind in Print Message-ID: I caught a glimpse of a book entitled Kaleidoscope Eyes, subtitled something along the lines of 'a look a psychedelic music'. It has 2 or 3 pages about Hawkwind, including up to date stuff about Nikwind, as well as a chapter on Pink Floyd and a good selection of other bands. I don't know anything else about it, but could find out by walking to a bookshop. Mike w From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Dec 12 07:44:49 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 07:44:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: >Andrew A. Apold wrote: >> >> >Jon Browne wrote: >> >> >> >> > And there's JC - Jesus Christ/Jerry Cornelius link, too.... >> >> Julius Caesar? >Another dead (martyr) singer. I guess he'd fit - many of the characters >have a J and a C or both, in their initials. Now if only I could find >- Max Wilcox (Jax Cilcox) John Cougar? Joe Cool? Jim Crow? From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 12 09:03:28 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:03:28 -0500 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Last night's AOL Chat Message-ID: Sorry Alex - told ya I'd miss somebody... It takes a bit to equate screen names with proper names for me. So, how many spellings for Desdenova and Imaginos are there? I've seen all the following in print: Desdinova, Desdenova, Desdanova, Imaginos, Immaginos, Imaginnos --> strike up another one for "random access" ;-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 12 09:09:04 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:09:04 -0500 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Last night's AOL Chat Message-ID: >And why would they have flamed ? Is there a rule of some sort according to which a mailing-list for BOC fans shouldn't be mentionned on a chat meant for BOC fans ? *somewhat puzzled* I'm referring to past discussions both here about AOL folks and on AOL about BOC-L folks. Granted, most of this was made more of a big deal than it actually was, however Bolle only a few months ago raised th the ire of some BOC-L folks with his statement (on alt.music.blueoystercult) that "BOC-L sucks". I won't rehash the details. My point in mentioning this fact was to just share with BOC-L folks that the AOL folks did not speak badly about BOC-L on the chat -- to those of you on AOL this may not be surprising. To some on BOC-L who have heard various stories in the past this may be somewhat telling. >I know there's at least one new member on the list right now ! Hi Steve, and welcome ! :-) I knew he was one of the one's who asked (I sent him subscription info from the FAQ) -- welcome aboard Steve! John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 12 09:16:29 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:16:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? Message-ID: >Well, didn't Mirrors sell better than CE? I think it did - at least back then (probably still to this day - but I don't have sales figures). The Goldmine article mentioned this - which kind of left BOC scratching their heads as the overall problem with Mirrors appears to be it's lightness, so BOC makes the heaviest album they had in several years, and it sold even worse... Maybe CE suffered simply from Mirrors' lack of popularity (i.e. fans "gave up" on BOC), or Columbia failed to promote the album, or other factors. But yes, I believe Mirrors sold better. Perhaps if there was one good single from CE (I think "Divine Wind" could have been a hit here in the U.S.), it would've sold better? I mean, "The Marshall Plan" is sort of a neat song in some ways, but never seemed to me like a hit single. "Monsters" is probably my favorite track on the album, but I don't think it would have been well-received by the general population as well. Same for "Black Blade" and "Lips in the Hills". Maybe "Unknown Tongue", although that was probably too controversial for 1980 radio. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 12 09:26:41 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:26:41 -0500 Subject: BOC: AOL Chat Message-ID: Alex: You are probably overblowing this whole BOC-L/AOL thing. While some here *may* have negative opinions about AOL or some of it's members (and that is pure speculation on my part), I don't believe anyone here has a problem with the fact that you are on AOL and participate in BOC activity there. Likewise, I thought it pertinent to point out to the BOC-L folks that the same appears to hold true on AOL as far as us BOC-L folks are concerned. My comments about and AOL person saying some of us on BOC-L kiss Al and Deb's butts was made by one individual - and I thought the statement was incorrect. That statement, and my reaction hear on BOC-L to it, should NOT be taken to mean that there still is major bad blood between the two groups. Most of it was more perception than reality in the first place. Of course there were isolated incidents (Bolle's recent comment, and around 2 years ago Eric described us as being "negative"), but for the most part I think there is no problem - which again was the point I was trying to get across here by saying no-one flamed any BOC-L discussion on the AOL chat. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 12 08:33:53 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:33:53 EDT Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? Message-ID: >> From: John A Swartz > >Well, didn't Mirrors sell better than CE? > > I think it did - at least back then (probably still to this day - but I > don't have sales figures). The Goldmine article mentioned this - > which kind of left BOC scratching their heads as the overall problem > with Mirrors appears to be it's lightness, so BOC makes the heaviest > album they had in several years, and it sold even worse... Maybe CE > suffered simply from Mirrors' lack of popularity (i.e. fans "gave up" > on BOC), or Columbia failed to promote the album, or other factors. But I think that Mirrors probably did alienate some fans. No idea how well Columbia got behind CE. Al? But if that logic should hold, how can we explain FoUO's success? > yes, I believe Mirrors sold better. Perhaps if there was one good single Could be that Mirrors was an impulse purchase by fans who bought it before hearing it? theo From ABrevard at SHL.COM Thu Dec 12 10:36:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R. (MSMail)) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 08:36:00 -0700 Subject: BOC: An Experiement Message-ID: Just finished an unusual experiment. You may want to try this. I forced my 16 year old niece to listen to a few BOC songs and provide an opinion. Well 16 year olds are hard to keep still (especially when a phone rings) but she did listen to the following songs; Vera Gemini -"Hey that+s got a nice little beat to it. That guy is pretty kewl!" Dominance and Submission - "Duh I don+t get it? What+s he talking about?" DFtR - "Never heard that one before-" Morning Final - "Hmmm not bad I like that one." Let me put this into perspective. My niece thinks the musical world revolves around the late Tupac Shakur and DJ Kool Rock and Roll to her is music for dweebs. She never understood my fascination with BOC or why I described some of their music as "smooth"- Overall she thinks they're not too bad. Alex>"It's just plain ridiculous, that's what I say. Whatever-" And to that Alex I add a hearty AMEN! Alex>" As for it sounding funky, I dunno, never thought of that actually. I'll have to give the album another listen and check that out... hmm..." Ooops my bad. Wasn+t insinuating Mirrors was funky or even all BOC music. Certain songs have elements of funk and jazz, maybe its just me but its what I pick up. Some of the songs you+ll find this funky/jazzy mix in (my opinion at least) are Vera, D&S and Monsters, to name a few. Monsters really has a lot of good swings in it, especially when the Sax comes in. Not to say that if you put that dreaded track drumming and blasted it at some dance club BOC music would make everybody sweat mind you. Now I am also of the opinion that funky manifestations that occasionally appear in BOC songs is the fault of one man, Al Bouchard. Yep I blame big Al for this 8^). Need proof, check out tBS+ Soul Jive. That one would work in a dance club with a couple of minor modifications. Don+t get me wrong either I LOVE this sound in BOC+s and tBS+ music. If anything it provides additional emotional content, something that is lacking in the modern prog metal scene for sure (i.e., Shadow Gallery Dream Theater et. al no flames I like them too.) Torgo>" Poll? Did someone say poll? It seems like I just did the last one. Or maybe its just the pain from it all still echoing through my brain like backfire. :^D" About 18 mos. to two years ago ya did this thing with some interesting results. Wonder what they would look like now in comparison. Do you still have the results? Ooops I forgot, I spilled coffee all over them didn+t I. 8^). AOL Chat - Glad the participants enjoyed themselves and happier still that the album is done, basically. I am curious though by what they mean March 97. Does that mean it will be available in the US 3/97 or available in Europe only? I would think that to get it into the US they have to have a distributor and it could be up to a year from then before you see it in places like Best Buy or Towers without the import label/price tag. Theo - The KX list has been "reactivated" I+ll send you the subscribe info if your interested. L8er +lil ab OBCD - Strange Universe - Mahogany Rush (Love this one Troy) "And the sounds of truth ring hollow in this pretense world of show and the footlights burn their pathways as the profits come and go and the seeming some - day singer lives the Carney Barker+s dream selling all by saying nothing in the language of a scream" Kinda sums up the whole silly BOC-L v. AOL debate. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 12 10:19:43 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 10:19:43 -0500 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? Message-ID: But if that logic should hold, how can we explain FoUO's success? "Burnin' For You" (and to some extent "Joan Crawford" and perhaps the "Heavy Metal" movie) John From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Dec 12 10:47:30 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 10:47:30 -0500 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? In-Reply-To: <18EC81019E6@library.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. EL84" at Dec 12, 96 09:33:53 am Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL84 writes: > > >> From: John A Swartz > > > >Well, didn't Mirrors sell better than CE? > > > > I think it did - at least back then (probably still to this day - but I > > don't have sales figures). The Goldmine article mentioned this - > > which kind of left BOC scratching their heads as the overall problem > > with Mirrors appears to be it's lightness, so BOC makes the heaviest > > album they had in several years, and it sold even worse... Maybe CE > > suffered simply from Mirrors' lack of popularity (i.e. fans "gave up" > > on BOC), or Columbia failed to promote the album, or other factors. But > > I think that Mirrors probably did alienate some fans. No idea how > well Columbia got behind CE. Al? But if that logic should hold, how > can we explain FoUO's success? Burnin' For You. ;-) ...and among s/f and heavy metal fans, the tie-ins with the Heavy Metal movie, and the overall heaviness of _FoUO_. In the days of AOR, I heard no less than 5 songs from the album on the radio: BfY, VotPW, JC, V:tP, and the title track. Steve swann at panix.com From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Dec 12 10:59:55 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 10:59:55 -0500 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? Message-ID: Steve swann at panix.com said (in part) >BfY, VotPW, JC, V:tP, and the title track. Hold on there, old boy, us Hawkwind chappies can't understand your banter :-) Martyn From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Dec 12 11:29:00 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 11:29:00 -0500 Subject: HW: Sonic Assassins EP In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Dec 11, 96 05:38:17 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks... I ran across a copy of the Sonic Assassins vinyl EP yesterday for $4. Is anybody in need of one of these? I didn't look at it *too* closely, but it seemed to be in reasonable condition. Give me a personal e-mail, if you want said item at cost (i.e., around $5), or if you've got something to trade. Keith H. (FAA) khenders at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Dec 12 12:44:01 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 18:44:01 +0100 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? Message-ID: >Perhaps if there was one good single >from CE (I think "Divine Wind" could have been a hit here in the U.S.), >it would've sold better? I mean, "The Marshall Plan" is sort of a neat >song in some ways, but never seemed to me like a hit single. "The Marshall Plan" was released as a single ? I don't really know much about which songs were released as singles (is there a list somewhere ? I don't remember seeing it on the FAQ, though it's been a while since I last checked it...). This song, though, does have some nice qualities to it, and it, uh, SOUNDS like a potential hit single (I guess mostly because of the lyrics), but indeed it does not really qualify, IMHO. It's too complex, musically speaking, and maybe too long ? I dunno. Just doesn't seem right. >"Monsters" >is probably my favorite track on the album, but I don't think it would >have been well-received by the general population as well. Same for >"Black Blade" and "Lips in the Hills". Maybe "Unknown Tongue", although >that was probably too controversial for 1980 radio. I agree on all the above, except maybe "Lips in the hills". "Unknown tongue" is one of my favorites on this album and, I think, it would have been great as a single. But, as you say, the lyrics... a pity, cause they're fabulous ! Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash and more to come...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Dec 12 12:43:57 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 18:43:57 +0100 Subject: BOC: AOL Chat Message-ID: >You are probably overblowing this whole BOC-L/AOL thing. While some >here *may* have negative opinions about AOL or some of it's members >(and that is pure speculation on my part), I don't believe anyone >here has a problem with the fact that you are on AOL and participate >in BOC activity there. Likewise, I thought it pertinent to point out >to the BOC-L folks that the same appears to hold true on AOL as far >as us BOC-L folks are concerned. Okay. Well, that's good news. I guess you're right. Sorry if I over-reacted, but the whole thing just sounded so stupid :-( >but for the most >part I think there is no problem - which again was the point I was >trying to get across here by saying no-one flamed any BOC-L discussion >on the AOL chat. Yeah, I understand. And I hope it stays that way *smile* Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash and more to come...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Dec 12 12:44:03 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 18:44:03 +0100 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Last night's AOL Chat Message-ID: >So, how many spellings for Desdenova and Imaginos are there? I've seen >all the following in print: Desdinova, Desdenova, Desdanova, Imaginos, >Immaginos, Imaginnos --> strike up another one for "random access" ;-) Mea culpa. I picked that spelling because I thought it was the right one. Didn't take the time to check, cause I had been like fighting with AOL for 15 minutes to find a login name it would accept ! @!&?@$# Anyway, after checking on the inlay card of Imaginos, I noticed the real spelling was Desdinova. Oh well. I still like Desdenova anyway *grin* But I guess it doesn't really matter. As you say, it's all just a question of "random access" ! *LOL* Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash and more to come...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Dec 12 12:43:59 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 18:43:59 +0100 Subject: BOC: An Experiement Message-ID: >Dominance and Submission - "Duh I don+t get it? What+s he talking >about?" *LOL* Aren't you ashamed of having your niece listen to stuff like that ? ;-) Aren't BOC albums rated R or something ? *grin* >Alex>" As for it sounding funky, I dunno, never thought of that >actually. >I'll have to give the album another listen and check that out... hmm..." > >Ooops my bad. Wasn+t insinuating Mirrors was funky or even all BOC >music. Certain songs have elements of funk and jazz, maybe its just me >but its what I pick up. Some of the songs you+ll find this funky/jazzy >mix in (my opinion at least) are Vera, D&S and Monsters, to name a few. >Monsters really has a lot of good swings in it, especially when the Sax >comes in. Ah yes, I totally agree about "Monsters" - though I'd say it sounds a little more jazzy then funky to me (especially the sax part). Don't know about Vera and D&S, though, I'll have to check them again. >Now I am also of the opinion that funky manifestations that >occasionally appear in BOC songs is the fault of one man, Al Bouchard. >Yep I blame big Al for this 8^). Need proof, check out tBS+ Soul Jive. Yeah, I did also notice funky influences on some tBS material. You're probably right about Al. We got you unmasked Al, haven't we ? ;-) >I am curious though by what they >mean March 97. Does that mean it will be available in the US 3/97 or >available in Europe only? That's a question I'd also been asking myself. Though if it came out in Europe first, I wouldn't complain. And that would be a nice change for once ! Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash and more to come...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Dec 12 12:44:05 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 18:44:05 +0100 Subject: BOC: Influences in literature Message-ID: Hey folks, I've just started reading Bruce Sterling's "Involution ocean" (his first novel), and on the second page I picked up the name of a couple : UNDINE ! I was wondering how much that could be a coincidence ? Especially if you consider the book was written in 1977 (well, published would be more accurate - there's no way of knowing when the book was actually written). This made me wonder if some of you had noticed any BOC influence in other books... might make for an intersting thread, no ? Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash and more to come...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 12 13:04:32 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 18:04:32 GMT Subject: HW: Sonic Assassins EP In-Reply-To: Keith A Henderson's message of Thu, 12 Dec 1996 11:29:00 -0500 Message-ID: Wow - no hawklist mail for 4 days and the first message that appears is this one! Keith A Henderson writes: > Hi Folks... > > I ran across a copy of the Sonic Assassins vinyl EP yesterday for $4. Is > anybody in need of one of these? I didn't look at it *too* closely, but it > seemed to be in reasonable condition. Give me a personal e-mail, if you want > said item at cost (i.e., around $5), or if you've got something to trade. > If no-one else wants it and its condition is ok then I'll certainly go for this! I can pay in $$ if that helps! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From StevenTice at AOL.COM Thu Dec 12 13:11:31 1996 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:11:31 -0500 Subject: BOC: Influences in literature/Undine Message-ID: Heck, right here in my hometown of Bellefonte, PA, we have the Undine Fire Company (though it's pronounced UN-dine rather than Un-DEEN). But, speaking of Pearlman and literary references, the 1960 John Barth novel The Sot-Weed Factor, which was quite popular on colleges in the sixties, tells the story of a man who adopts the guises of various important historical personages throughout his life in an effort to chart the course of human history (particularly American history); he also possesses the uncanny ability to alter his physical appearance at will. Sound familiar? SET From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Thu Dec 12 13:24:49 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Dan Clore) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 10:24:49 -0800 Subject: BOC: Undine Message-ID: Btw, _Undine_ by the Baron de la Motte Fouqu? was a favorite of Edgar Allan Poe, who pushed it in some of his critical essays. The only English version I've found is geared to children, as a fairy-tale (which it is, like much German Romanticism). Still, I found it quite a good piece of work, very effective in the creation of atmosphere. -- Dan Clore The Website of Lord We?rdgliffe: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/ Welcome to the Waughters . . . From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 12 13:47:52 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:47:52 -0500 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? Message-ID: >"The Marshall Plan" was released as a single ? Yep - better know as a single as "Here's Johnny" (Actually, I think "Divine Wind" might've been the b-side -- shoulda reversed those two if so ...) >I don't really know much about which songs were released as singles (is there a list somewhere ? I don't remember seeing it on the FAQ, though it's been a while since I last checked it...). Wait another 2 or 3 weeks when Rev. 2.2 of the FAQ comes out -- there's a pretty complete singles discography in there (actually, I think it may be in the current version - I forget - but there are additions and correction in the upcoming version). John From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Dec 12 14:18:14 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:18:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Sonic Assassins EP Message-ID: >Wow - no hawklist mail for 4 days and the first message that appears >is this one! >jill > >=========================================================================== >J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk Hi jill, you might want to check to see if there is something amiss at your end. The list has been pretty busy of late and I am surprised that you haven't received loads of email Cheers Martyn From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Dec 12 14:53:51 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:53:51 -0500 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? In-Reply-To: <9612121559.AA09383@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Dec 12, 96 10:59:55 am Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > > Steve > swann at panix.com said (in part) > > >BfY, VotPW, JC, V:tP, and the title track. > > Hold on there, old boy, us Hawkwind chappies can't understand > your banter :-) I SAY, OLD CHAP, I MEANT: B.F.Y., V.O.T.P.W., J.C., V.:T.P., AND THE TITLE TRACK. (...on the theory that anyone can understand BOC-ish if you speak it slowly and LOUDLY enough). Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Dec 12 14:56:56 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:56:56 -0500 Subject: BOC: Influences in literature In-Reply-To: <199612121744.SAA19363@imaginet.fr> from "Alex S. Garcia" at Dec 12, 96 06:44:05 pm Message-ID: Alex S. Garcia writes: > > Hey folks, I've just started reading Bruce Sterling's "Involution ocean" > (his first novel), and on the second page I picked up the name of a couple : > UNDINE ! I was wondering how much that could be a coincidence ? Especially > if you consider the book was written in 1977 (well, published would be more > accurate - there's no way of knowing when the book was actually written). > > This made me wonder if some of you had noticed any BOC influence in other > books... might make for an intersting thread, no ? This is unlikely to the influence of BOC, except in that they're both showing the influence of Paracelsus. :-) Steve swann at panix.com From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Dec 12 11:59:03 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 16:59:03 +0000 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > > Martyn White writes: > > > > Steve > > swann at panix.com said (in part) > > > > >BfY, VotPW, JC, V:tP, and the title track. > > > > Hold on there, old boy, us Hawkwind chappies can't understand > > your banter :-) > > I SAY, OLD CHAP, I MEANT: > > B.F.Y., V.O.T.P.W., J.C., V.:T.P., AND THE TITLE TRACK. bfy-burning for you. votpw-veteran ot psychic wars jc- joan crawford vtp- vengeance,the pact title trk- fire of unknown origin sorry for butting in,and a big oops if no one needed this info. rj From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Thu Dec 12 16:35:07 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 16:35:07 -0500 Subject: BOC: AOL Chat Message-ID: In a message dated 96-12-12 03:39:28 EST, you write: << Anyway, what I mean is that all this stuff just sounds futile to me. I'm a BOC fan and as long as I have an AOL access I will be joining that chat, no matter what whoever may think. I like BOC and I want to chat about BOC. Don't care much about the rest. If the guys on AOL think I'm a pro-Al (whatever that's supposed to mean !) because I'm on BOC-L, well, let them think so if it can make them feel better - and maybe let them make their own mind while I'm there. >> Alex, I wouldn't lose alot of sleep over this one. I've been on AOL for over 2 years and BOC-L for almost 2 years. I've had several aol'ers say that they tried BOC-L but got tired of all the non-BOC mail and dropped off. They didn't want to wade through the HW stuff for the BOC info. However, no one said BOC-L sucks or I was an idiot for being on BOC-L. R. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Dec 12 16:47:52 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 16:47:52 -0500 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? Message-ID: rj writes: >Stephen Swann wrote: >> >> Martyn White writes: >> > >> > Steve >> > swann at panix.com said (in part) >> > >> > >BfY, VotPW, JC, V:tP, and the title track. >> > >> > Hold on there, old boy, us Hawkwind chappies can't understand >> > your banter :-) >> >> I SAY, OLD CHAP, I MEANT: >> >> B.F.Y., V.O.T.P.W., J.C., V.:T.P., AND THE TITLE TRACK. > >bfy-burning for you. >votpw-veteran ot psychic wars >jc- joan crawford >vtp- vengeance,the pact >title trk- fire of unknown origin > >sorry for butting in,and a big oops if no one needed this info. Not at all. As is obvious from following the >s above, this is competely the fault of Steve Swann (as usual :-) :-) Martyn PS I knew all of them except V.:T.P. maybe its time to run a BOC-L jargon trivia quiz. From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Dec 12 16:47:26 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 16:47:26 -0500 Subject: HW: Francis Bacon? Message-ID: On 11-DEC-1996 03:22:13.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >by listserv.spc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/SPC-1) with ESMTP id DAA13527 for >; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 03:19:25 -0500 (EST) >Received: from nickel.ucs.indiana.edu >(khiller at nickel.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.10.5]) by belize.ucs.indiana.edu >(8.7.3/8.7.3/1.12IUPO) with ESMTP id DAA16979 for >; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 03:19:23 -0500 (EST) >Received: (from khiller at localhost) by nickel.ucs.indiana.edu >(8.7.6/8.7.Beta.13/1.1clump) id DAA12938; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 03:19:22 >-0500 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 03:19:21 -0500 >From: Karl Hiller >Subject: HW: Francis Bacon? >In-reply-to: <199612041236.NAA11788 at kirov.eunet.no> >Sender: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Reply-to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List >Message-id: > >MIME-version: 1.0 >Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >So I was reading "New Atlantis" by Sir Francis Bacon for a class, and I >noticed this passage. The speaker is one of the ruling class of a >utopian island: >"You shall understand that there is not under the heavens so chaste a >nation as this of Bensalem, nor so free from all pollution or foulness. >It is the virgin of the world..." >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >There's nothing else to connect this to the Hawkwind song of the same >name (no undead or anything), but it is a pretty distinctive phrase. I >wonder if Hawkwind may have borrowed the phrase from someone who got it >from Bacon? ("New Atlantis" was published in 1627). >Is this a useful bit of trivia for the Codex? >Karl I dunno about that one. Could be a stretch. Distinctive, but maybe it is an established phrase... That reminds me, I was reading Burroughs' "Nova Express" the other day, and in the beginning it mentioned (along w/the orgones/Reich, as already mentioned) Hassan I Sabha. So there's another HW/Burrough's connection...I don't think anyone mentioned that one yet. Calvert may have picked all this stuff up from reading Burroughs... Chuck `[1;34;41mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 12 17:01:19 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:01:19 GMT Subject: HW: Sonic Assassins EP In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:18:14 -0500 Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > Hi jill, you might want to check to see if there is something amiss at > your end. The list has been pretty busy of late and I am surprised > that you haven't received loads of email yeah - I'm pretty sure there is something wrong at this end - I'll just have to hope someone gets around to locating it soon. Probably a huge flood of messages will arrive in reverse order of importance so if anyone has heard about any Hawkwind pre-winter solstice gigs and posted them in the last day or so please let me know now!! (Can but hope!) ta jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 12 17:08:05 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:08:05 GMT Subject: HW: Griffin WotEoT wierdness In-Reply-To: Chris Baxley's message of Wed, 11 Dec 1996 13:59:22 -0700 Message-ID: Chris Baxley writes: > Joe wrote: > >>A couple of months ago, I got the Griffin _Warrior on the Edge of Time_ > >CD for Kollector's sake, but already having the Dojo version, I didn't > >bother to listen to it until last night. I don't know what the heck is > >on it, but it sure ain't Hawkwind! Has this happened to anyone else? > >> > >>Also, I got it by mail-order, and it's probably too late and too much > >trouble to try to explain what happened and return it. Does anyone know > >if Griffin will exchange it? > >> > >>-- > >> Mike > > >You seem to have a copy of the Pendragon's "The World" arrgh! Is this another one I've missed? I'd be delighted to take it off your hands for the same price as the original or for the price of a replacement if you want to get one. I collect Hawkwind-ish mispressings too. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Dec 12 14:46:06 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 19:46:06 +0000 Subject: HW: Sonic Assassins EP Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > yeah - I'm pretty sure there is something wrong at this end - I'll just > have to hope someone gets around to locating it soon. Probably a huge > flood of messages will arrive in reverse order of importance so if > anyone has heard about any Hawkwind pre-winter solstice gigs and posted > them in the last day or so please let me know now!! (Can but hope!) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- maybe not.most of the mail has been off:, or boc:. very little has started hw:. is that all you are set to recieve? rj From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Dec 12 19:16:08 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 17:16:08 -0700 Subject: BOC: An Experiement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A similar "experiment"; I teach special ed emotionally disturbed kids, and normally I play a classical or new age station in very low volume in the background as they work. Well, it was on a Friday, and they asked me what I like, so I played them Godzilla. Cities On Flame. Astronomy (Imaginos Version. They LOVED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~! God bless... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Dec 12 20:01:23 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:01:23 +1000 Subject: BOC: AOL Chat Message-ID: Alex, I hope I didn't make it sound like a big deal, because I don't think it is big at all, just something that has reared its ugly head on occasions. It IS silly and pointless and futile and childish etc, and not worth dwelling on. Pete.(Popular Front of Judea) ObCD: *#1 Record/Radio City* - Big Star At 09:37 AM 12/12/96 +0100, you wrote: >>Maybe you've missed the fun, but there have been times when AOL and BOC-L >>haven't been kind to each other. Some here have said things to the effect of >>"AOL has a pathetic pandering attitude" and AOLers have said things to the >>effect of "BOC-L is hostile to BOC (including current band members) and >>AOL". It's flared a few times (and I suspect simmers in the background) as >>maybe some sort of sibling rivalry perhaps. I don't know why, but it always >>makes me think of the "People's Front of Judea" and the "Judean People's >>Front" ;) There was also a recent post from Bolle that was "critical" of >>BOC-L and stirred things up for a while. Any clearer? > >Yeah. But still doesn't make any sense, if you ask me ! :-o > I'd already heard all this stuff you mentioned, but it just seems >so... uh... childish ? I dunno. We're all grown up adults here, aren't we >?... AREN'T WE ? Gee, at least one or two of you folks could have agreed ;-) > Anyway, what I mean is that all this stuff just sounds futile to me. >I'm a BOC fan and as long as I have an AOL access I will be joining that >chat, no matter what whoever may think. I like BOC and I want to chat about >BOC. Don't care much about the rest. If the guys on AOL think I'm a pro-Al >(whatever that's supposed to mean !) because I'm on BOC-L, well, let them >think so if it can make them feel better - and maybe let them make their own >mind while I'm there. > It's just plain ridiculous, that's what I say. > Whatever. > >>What are you doing up at 2.45am anyway? > >Ah, well, haven't you heard ? Some say I'm a vampire... that's right, yeah, >call me Nosferatu ;-) > > > >Alex S. Garcia. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... > http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ > (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, > Slash and more to come...) >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Is this nightmare black, or are the windows painted?" - EJ From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Dec 12 23:40:55 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 23:40:55 -0500 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? Message-ID: >Martyn White writes: >> >> Steve >> swann at panix.com said (in part) >> >> >BfY, VotPW, JC, V:tP, and the title track. >> >> Hold on there, old boy, us Hawkwind chappies can't understand >> your banter :-) > >I SAY, OLD CHAP, I MEANT: > >B.F.Y., V.O.T.P.W., J.C., V.:T.P., AND THE TITLE TRACK. > >(...on the theory that anyone can understand BOC-ish if you speak it >slowly and LOUDLY enough). Cool. I wonder if this works for Coded Languages...... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Fri Dec 13 03:42:12 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 08:42:12 +0000 Subject: BOC: 777 was: Re: BOC, tBS: (Imaginos) Overture, sevens... In-Reply-To: <199612100119.LAA08855@pigeon.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: The number 777 was regarded by the ancient Greeks as being the most perfect number, 666 being the most imperfect number. They used letters as numbers in those days, so people's names could be significant! The number 666 in the Book of Revelations, by the way, does not refer to the Devil, but to the name of a Roman governor who particularly persecuted Christians during the reign of Nero in the Middle East. Obviously all those researchers for films like Omen did not do their homework properly!!! Martin On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Peter Sondergeld wrote: > Unless you sing to yourself unknowingly and they heard it from you, I could > only guess that since _7_ is a significant mystical or magical number, the > odds of it being chanted elsewhere might be fairly high. It turns up in a > lot of lyrics, and in a lot of places. > Pete. > > ObLyric: _I roll seven (seven), seven on the floor of the sea..._ > - Perfect Water, which has been stuck on my brain for weeks. > ObBloodyRidiculousMovie: *Hell Bound* - Chuck Norris Vs the Devil's agent. > That's 666, not 777. I laughed for a few minutes, then turned it off..... > > At 06:08 PM 9/12/96 +0000, rj wrote: > >seven,seven,sevensevensev.... > > > >twice on seperate occasions,two different people, i heard someone > >chant this.once at work,and once at a party. > >i asked if they were into the cult,but was told no,both times. > >i asked where,then, did they come up with it.neither could answer, > >saying something like oh,i dunno,musta heard it somewhere.... > > > >just thot it was kinda weird.... rj > > > > > > > ************************** > Peter Sondergeld > p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au > > "Gonna buy a fast car, put on my lead boots and take a long, long drive. > I may end up spending all my money, but I'll still be alive." - The Who > From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Fri Dec 13 04:07:40 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Dan Clore) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 01:07:40 -0800 Subject: BOC: 777 was: Re: BOC, tBS: (Imaginos) Overture, sevens... Message-ID: dench wrote: > > The number 777 was regarded by the ancient Greeks as being the most > perfect number, 666 being the most imperfect number. They used letters as > numbers in those days, so people's names could be significant! The number > 666 in the Book of Revelations, by the way, does not refer to the Devil, > but to the name of a Roman governor who particularly persecuted Christians > during the reign of Nero in the Middle East. Obviously all those > researchers for films like Omen did not do their homework properly!!! > > Martin The name Jesus, in Greek, adds up to 888. The fact is, the number 777 also has a very significant meaning in occultism. Aleister Crowley (The Great Beast in Greek = 666) compiled a dictionary of numbers and their meanings (mostly Hebrew, a little Greek) and titled it _777_. Why? Two phrases add up to 777; this is supposed to prove that they mean or refer to the same thing. They are: "The Spirit of the Elohim of Lives" and "The World of Shells". The first is a name for God; the second refers to the Qlippoth, the shells or excrements of which this (illusory) world is composed. In other words, it's a joke that God is shit, *and* (this is how Crowley thought) a supreme mystic truth. -- Dan Clore The Website of Lord We?rdgliffe: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/ Welcome to the Waughters . . . From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Dec 12 12:46:01 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 17:46:01 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind in Print In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Mikey pops writes >I caught a glimpse of a book entitled Kaleidoscope Eyes, subtitled >something along the lines of 'a look a psychedelic music'. It has 2 or 3 >pages about Hawkwind, including up to date stuff about Nikwind, as well >as a chapter on Pink Floyd and a good selection of other bands. > >I don't know anything else about it, but could find out by walking to a >bookshop. > >Mike w I'm getting it for X-mas. I *know* my wife's already bought it but I thought the HW section was 15-20 pages, no? I didn't really look cos when I picked it up in the shop it fell open at a great NIKpic. Naturally, I ran out of the shop immediately and called my wife, instructing her on certain gifts. Thing is, 2nd to HW, my favorite band is everyotherpsychebandinthehistoryofmusicespeciallythe60spunkonesliketh eMC5andtheseeds who also have a good section in this book :) -- Jon Browne From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Dec 13 04:45:01 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:45:01 +0000 Subject: BOC: 777 was: Re: BOC, tBS: (Imaginos) Overture, sevens... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 13 Dec 1996 01:07:40 PST." <32B11CDC.4167@columbia-center.org> Message-ID: > > The name Jesus, in Greek, adds up to 888. The fact is, the number 777 > also has a very significant meaning in occultism. Aleister Crowley (The > Great Beast in Greek = 666) compiled a dictionary of numbers and their > meanings (mostly Hebrew, a little Greek) and titled it _777_. Why? Two > phrases add up to 777; this is supposed to prove that they mean or refer > to the same thing. They are: "The Spirit of the Elohim of Lives" and > "The World of Shells". The first is a name for God; the second refers > to the Qlippoth, the shells or excrements of which this (illusory) world > is composed. In other words, it's a joke that God is shit, *and* (this > is how Crowley thought) a supreme mystic truth. > -- > Dan Clore I never knew Scrabble scoring was *that* significant :-) Tim From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Fri Dec 13 05:43:10 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:43:10 -0000 Subject: OFF:MC5 Message-ID: Jon, I am curious that you refer to The MC5 as a psychedelic band. Have I missed something here? I had always thought their music extremely unHawkish (which is not to say that the Hawks are the definitive psychedelic band) more like Stray or a non-poppy Sweet (some of the Sweet's B sides were really quite heavy) The only album I can recall hearing was Kick out the Jams. Am I missing something here, something that I should rush out and recklessly purchase?? More vinyl to feed the habit. Actually, I don't suppose that CDs are made of vinyl. More likely polytetraflurovinylacetateamine or something? Mike P. I'm getting it for X-mas. I *know* my wife's already bought it but I thought the HW section was 15-20 pages, no? I didn't really look cos when I picked it up in the shop it fell open at a great NIKpic. Naturally, I ran out of the shop immediately and called my wife, instructing her on certain gifts. 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Mike w On Thu, 12 Dec 1996, Martyn White wrote: > >Wow - no hawklist mail for 4 days and the first message that appears > >is this one! > >jill > > > >=========================================================================== > >J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > > Hi jill, you might want to check to see if there is something amiss at > your end. The list has been pretty busy of late and I am surprised > that you haven't received loads of email From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Fri Dec 13 06:53:39 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:53:39 +0000 Subject: OFF: BOC-L Sick? In-Reply-To: <32B060FE.60A3@erols.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Dec 1996, skarsol wrote: > J Strobridge wrote: > > > yeah - I'm pretty sure there is something wrong at this end - I'll just > > have to hope someone gets around to locating it soon. Probably a huge > > flood of messages will arrive in reverse order of importance so if > > anyone has heard about any Hawkwind pre-winter solstice gigs and posted > > them in the last day or so please let me know now!! (Can but hope!) > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > maybe not.most of the mail has been off:, or boc:. > very little has started hw:. is that all you are set to recieve? rj > That's not comforting. I've had only twenty or so messages over the last three days, including a whole bunch clearly referring to others I haven't had. Is this Cambridge as well as Edinburgh, or could the Listserv's famous anomalies be becoming yet more pronounced? Yours, Jazza /---------------------------------------------------\ | Spooky peanut terror bringing pain and death! | |===================================================| | Jon Jarrett, Pembroke College, Cambridge CB2 1RF | | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | +___________________________________________________+ From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Fri Dec 13 06:54:22 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:54:22 +0000 Subject: BOC: AoF & Spectres -Reply In-Reply-To: <009ACAF2.171E5040.250@bigvax.alfred.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Dec 1996, TRANSMANIACON MC wrote: > >>"Goin' through the Motions" > >>This I agree with whole-heartedly. Too much late 70's pop to be a BOC > >>song. It's the kind of song your sister would like - ACK! -. All that clapping > >>makes me ill. Too true! It's not even good 70s pop - if they had managed to come up with something as good as "More than a feeling" or "Bette Davis' Eyes" it would have sold. > If so many of us are against the hand clapping, how do you feel about > the "heys" in Astronomy, especially the Imaginos version? I've learned to > tune them out somewhat, but when I first heard the song (Imaginos version) it > bothered me to no end! Yes, they are dreadful. I had assumed that I didn't like them because they were so different from Secret Treaties, but in view of the fact that: > I didn't hear the ST, SEE, and CC versions until later, they obviously stand out as a mistake even if you haven't heard a decent version first! - Mike Godwin From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Dec 13 08:02:28 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 00:02:28 +1100 Subject: BOC:666 was: 777 was: Re: BOC, tBS: (Imaginos) Overture, sevens... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, dench wrote: > The number 777 was regarded by the ancient Greeks as being the most > perfect number, 666 being the most imperfect number. They used letters as > numbers in those days, so people's names could be significant! The number > 666 in the Book of Revelations, by the way, does not refer to the Devil, > but to the name of a Roman governor who particularly persecuted Christians > during the reign of Nero in the Middle East. Obviously all those > researchers for films like Omen did not do their homework properly!!! > > Martin > The quote from Revelation 13:18 (The number of the beast) has had a great variety of interpretations over the centuries. People have tended to see their own times in understanding this. Martin is right that the number does not refer to Satan, no orthodox christians have ever held that. It does refer to the Beast, however. Some see this as a future person or system, others see it as a past person, eg. Martin in this case, (no, no,, NOT *MARTIN* is the beast!!! He just puts forward this veiw) :) ,and others see it as symbolic over the ages. Some famous beasts have been: Nero, Napoleon, Hitler, The Papacy, Henry Kissinger, (Sp?), The guy that owns Microsoft, and of course, the new world order. Some are waitng for the Beast to come as some kind of political/religious leader in the near future. The symbolic types would say: All of the above. The 777 thing has always been seen in Classical Christian orthodoxy as Christ. I don't know Buck Dharma's veiw. Troy H. From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 13 08:21:13 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:21:13 GMT Subject: OFF:Moorcock In-Reply-To: Mike Parkington's message of Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:50:44 -0000 Message-ID: Mike Parkington writes: > There have been a lot of references regarding Moorcock's books recently. > > For those who are only familiar with the Sword and sorcery ones (which are a good read IMO) I would strongly recommend that you also read: > > The Blood Red Game (first MM book I ever read and brilliant) > Warlord of the air trilogy > Gloriana > Behold the Man (as AA says though, Christians may find this highly offensive) also The Ice Schooner - which contains one of his best heroes. Much more of a positive character than many of Moorcock's other heroes - his decisions, however flawed, are made by him and not enforced by some mysterious higher fate. The Ice Schooner hero is actually one of the few Moorcock characters (oops - do I talk sacrilige here?) that I've ever felt genuine sympathy for. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Fri Dec 13 08:53:57 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:53:57 GMT Subject: OFF:MC5 Message-ID: Mike, If you listen to all of 'Kick out the Jams', thelast song is called 'Starship', and is a collaboration with Sun-Ra (I think). This song is _very_ psychedelic. Both 'High Time' and 'Back in the USA' have a much cleaner sound, but al 3 albums, ar IMHO, excellent, and thoroughly recommended. Especially to tBS fans :) Neil. From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Dec 13 09:30:02 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:30:02 +0100 Subject: OFF: Huka er gubbar Message-ID: >From: mpj95aht at mcfs1.mc.hik.se >X-Sender: mpj95aht at mailbox.mc.hik.se >Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:26:38 +0100 >To: mpj95wid at mc.hik.se >Subject: DUCKA!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > >> >> >> whosh >> >> SPLAT:) >> >> **** * * *** * * >> * * ** * * * * * >> * * * * * * * * >> * * * * * * * * >> * * * * * * * * * >> * * * * * * * * * * >> * * * * * * * * * * >> * * * * * * * * * * * >> **** * ** *** * * >> >> *** * * * >> * * * * * * >> * * * * * * >> * * * * * * >> ***** ******* * * >> * * * * * * >> * * * * * * >> * * * * * * >> ***** * * ****** ****** >> >> Consider yourself hit by a snowball. I win! >> >>*************************************************************************= >> >> >> send this message to as many people as possible, in the first >> >> *OSWEGO E-MAIL SNOWBALL FIGHT!* >> >> send it back or to people already listed above. send it to your >> parents, siblings, politicians, teachers, bullies or anyone else you've= >> >> wanted to hit with a snowball. have fun. but don't blame me if you're >> hit. >> remember: e-mail snowballs don't hurt, don't get you soaked and >> don't melt away. throw one today! >> >> > > "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU Fri Dec 13 10:37:02 1996 From: scruto19 at POTSDAM.EDU (Bolts of Ungodly Vision) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:37:02 -0500 Subject: OFF:MC5 Message-ID: Speaking of the 5, John sinclair has been mulling about the records studio recently and has been releasing a slew of other MC-5 recordings for Big CHief productions: Among some of the ones I've seen are _Teen Age Lust: Live on New Years Day_ (its sound quality varies (Rob Tyner's voice is sometimes just a whisper beneath the band), but the guitars stick out very, very well...the cd's highlight is their version of James Brown's "It's a Man's, Man's, Man's World."), _Looking at You_, _Midnight Express_ (could be wrong about that latter's name) but both seem to be live discs), _Power Trip_ (I think its a various studio recordings, not too sure though), _Babes In Arms_ (a best of w/alternate tracks on it) and I think there are 1 or 2 mores that my eye hasn't picked out yet. Where you gotta get down, Jason From M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK Fri Dec 13 09:29:22 1996 From: M.G.Dench at BTON.AC.UK (dench) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:29:22 +0000 Subject: BOC: 777 was: Re: BOC, tBS: (Imaginos) Overture, sevens... In-Reply-To: <32B11CDC.4167@columbia-center.org> Message-ID: But have you personally tested what Crowley wrote? Is he a 'supreme mystic' because of his real achievements or because of the attractively mystical stuff he wrote? Martin On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Dan Clore wrote: > dench wrote: > > > > The number 777 was regarded by the ancient Greeks as being the most > > perfect number, 666 being the most imperfect number. They used letters as > > numbers in those days, so people's names could be significant! The number > > 666 in the Book of Revelations, by the way, does not refer to the Devil, > > but to the name of a Roman governor who particularly persecuted Christians > > during the reign of Nero in the Middle East. Obviously all those > > researchers for films like Omen did not do their homework properly!!! > > > > Martin > > The name Jesus, in Greek, adds up to 888. The fact is, the number 777 > also has a very significant meaning in occultism. Aleister Crowley (The > Great Beast in Greek = 666) compiled a dictionary of numbers and their > meanings (mostly Hebrew, a little Greek) and titled it _777_. Why? Two > phrases add up to 777; this is supposed to prove that they mean or refer > to the same thing. They are: "The Spirit of the Elohim of Lives" and > "The World of Shells". The first is a name for God; the second refers > to the Qlippoth, the shells or excrements of which this (illusory) world > is composed. In other words, it's a joke that God is shit, *and* (this > is how Crowley thought) a supreme mystic truth. > -- > Dan Clore > > The Website of Lord We rdgliffe: > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/ > Welcome to the Waughters . . . > From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Dec 13 09:47:03 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:47:03 -0500 Subject: BOC: 777 was: Re: BOC, tBS: (Imaginos) Overture, sevens... Message-ID: Dan writes: >The name Jesus, in Greek, adds up to 888. The fact is, the number 777 >also has a very significant meaning in occultism. Aleister Crowley (The And in the UK, 999 is the number for 911, Martyn From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Dec 13 09:47:17 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:47:17 +0100 Subject: OFF:[Fwd: Radio 101] Message-ID: This is not a BOC-l subject, I know, but I have fwd this message anyway :-) Please sign. -Daniel Wikdahl >> >>> >Dear Friends: >>> > >>> >Please help save Radio 101 in Zagreb, Croatia from being cancelled!!! >>> >Just add your name to the list and send the message to everyone you >>know. >>> >This message is brought to you by the letter "H" (for HELP) and the >>number >>> >"1,000,000" (for the number of names we want to sign). >>> > THANK YOU. >>> >Save RADIO 101 from being cancelled!!!!!! >>> >This is a petition to save Radio 101 in Zagreb, Croatia. 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Ulrika Westerberg, Garland, USA >>> >51. Jeanette Hagberg, Sweden >>> >52. Claes Leo Lindwall, Sweden >>> >53. Bjorn C Hardstedt, Stockholm, Sweden >>> >54. Bjorn Falk. Lund, Sweden >>> >55. Claes Magnusson, Lund, Sweden >>> >56. David Ulfstrand, Stockholm, Sweden >>> >57. Henrik Samuelsson, Stockholm, Sweden >>> >58. Michael Forsman, Stockholm, Sweden >>> >59. Johan Fornas, Stockholm, Sweden >>> >60 Stefan Sjostrom, Umea, Sweden >>> >61. Katarina Wreth?n, Ume?, Sweden >>> >62. Jan Eklof, Umea, Sweden >>> >63. Glenn Svensson, Lund, Sweden >>> >64. Orjan Hallnaes, Lund, Sweden >>> >65. Martin Thorvaldsson, Lund, Sweden >>> >66. Goerel Robsarve, Gotland, Sweden >> 67. Susanne Sternlo, Kalmar, Sweden >>> 68. Daniel Wikdahl, Kalmar, Sweden >>> > "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Dec 13 10:12:01 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:12:01 UT Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Last night's AOL Chat Message-ID: >Didn't take the time to check, cause I had been like fighting with AOL for >15 minutes to find a login name it would accept ! @!&?@$# >From my stint on AOL, I seem to recall that Desdinova at aol was taken. But hey, DR found that someone had beaten him to BuckDharma at aol... I remember trying to say "BOC-L are OK, really" on AOL, and someone said BOC-L were "pseudo-intellectual shits". So I didn't feel like sticking around to be insulted further. Or to discuss firearms. Or the NFL. Or BOC mouse mats. - Andy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Dec 13 11:45:48 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:45:48 -0500 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Last night's AOL Chat Message-ID: >I remember trying to say "BOC-L are OK, really" on AOL, and someone said BOC-L were "pseudo-intellectual shits". Hey, I'm not "pseudo" anything. I'm just a plain old intellectual shit. ;-) ;-) ;-) John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 13 10:51:00 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:51:00 EDT Subject: (Fwd) (FWD) Help Children's Hospitals Receive Books..... Message-ID: If anyone is in the holiday spirit, you may want to consider responding to the following appeal. This isn't a scam. It came through official channels here at work... theo ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- The Houghton-Mifflin Publishing Co. is giving books to children's hospitals; how many books they give depends on how many emails they receive from people around the world. for every 25 emails they receive, they give one book. All you have to do is email share at hmco.com.... Hope you can spare the seconds...and let your friends know. ****so far they only have 400 messages...last year they reached 23,000. From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri Dec 13 12:40:42 1996 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:40:42 -0700 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack!!! Message-ID: Hi all! Just thought I'd brag a little!! I have now in my greedy paws a copy of Sonic Attack!! Very nice!! I think I might have just blown the earphones!!! I'm recording this over to tape so I can listen to it at work tonite in the cab!! YES!!! I also (finally) got my omnibus copy of Hawkmoon. I'm hoping the Elric set I ordered comes very soon-like tomorrow!! Cool B-day present to myself, huh?? I can't wait, being the bookworm I am!! I think I got the letters/words in Psycosonia-Is it : They're trying to communicate?? I might be wrong!! anyhow, everyone have a great day!!! Keep rockin' Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: In message <01ICXH4KCJ1E8Y4Y5F at delphi.com>, HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes > Calvert may have >picked all this stuff >up from reading Burroughs... Maybe, but the legend of that murderous, treacherous scumbag Hassan I Sahbah has been around for hundreds of years, although I believe it's only recently that he's been mythologised into this "Old Man Of The Mountains" with the beatific catchphrase "Nothing is True, Everything Is Permissable", like this guy was some Ghandi-like Great Man Of Peace and pot-advocate. Well, he was a ruthless killer, responsible for the deaths of thousands. He was definately a terrifying figure. I must dig out my 1930's biog of the bloke, see if I can write a breif resume, if anyone's interested. It's still a great song though!! -- Jon Browne From pink at UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Fri Dec 13 12:26:59 1996 From: pink at UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (Brian "_pink" Davis) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:26:59 -0400 Subject: HW Recording List(s) Message-ID: Greetings, My name is Brian. I just joined this list and wanted to introduce myself. Most everyone I know calls me "pink" because of my love for Pink Floyd. So if you see a posting from "_pink" it's me. ;^) I have been listening to HW for about 12 years and have accumulated a fair sized collection. I am however curious as to "unauthorized" or "rare" recordings by HW and related. Are there any lists compiled that would give me an idea about what is available? Are their any of you interested in PF related recordings? If so and you would like to possibly do some trading you can visit my site (URL in sig file) and check out my list. I look forward to gaining more info on HW and keeping in touch with the current state of things... later, _______________________________________________________________________ . | __ ( ) | |\| |< | Visit me: http://pink.rserv.uga.edu/ _______________________________________________________________________ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 13 04:54:23 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:54:23 +0000 Subject: HW: Sonic Assassins EP In-Reply-To: <9612121804.aa10062@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9612121804.aa10062 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >If no-one else wants it and its condition is ok then I'll certainly go >for this! I can pay in $$ if that helps! > >jill Didn't you get one for me about six months ago, Jill? You *must* have a copy already! -- Jon Browne From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Dec 13 14:01:05 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:01:05 -0500 Subject: HW Recording List(s) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Brian "_pink" Davis wrote: > I have been listening to HW for about 12 years and have accumulated > a fair sized collection. I am however curious as to "unauthorized" or > "rare" recordings by HW and related. Are there any lists compiled that > would give me an idea about what is available? If it helps any, there is a very good Hawkwind discography available via anonymous ftp from csgrad.cs.vt.edu in the directory /pub/boc-l. Its file name is hw_discography, and it is a plain ascii text file. (You'll also find there an excellent "codex" which cross-references every known Hawkwind song with the albums and recordings they've appeared on. It is in the same directory as the discography, and its file name is hw_codex.) Welcome to the list! Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _New River Head_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Dec 13 14:08:50 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:08:50 -0500 Subject: HW Recording List(s) Message-ID: >Greetings, > My name is Brian. I just joined this list and wanted to introduce >myself. Most everyone I know calls me "pink" because of my love for Pink >Floyd. So if you see a posting from "_pink" it's me. ;^) > I have been listening to HW for about 12 years and have accumulated >a fair sized collection. I am however curious as to "unauthorized" or >"rare" recordings by HW and related. Are there any lists compiled that Hello and Welcome: there are several good sites on the web with this info and much more e.g. http://hyme.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/Hawkwind/ have fun Martyn From pink at UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Fri Dec 13 13:21:07 1996 From: pink at UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (Brian "_pink" Davis) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:21:07 -0400 Subject: HW Recording List(s) Message-ID: >Welcome to the list! Thanks for the welcome and for the info... look forward to contributing when/where I can... _______________________________________________________________________ . | __ ( ) | |\| |< | Visit me: http://pink.rserv.uga.edu/ _______________________________________________________________________ From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Fri Dec 13 14:26:36 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Dan Clore) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:26:36 -0800 Subject: BOC: 777 was: Re: BOC, tBS: (Imaginos) Overture, sevens... Message-ID: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law: dench wrote: > > But have you personally tested what Crowley wrote? No, I have never practiced ceremonial magick, if that's what you mean. I also don't belong to any Crowley cults. Whether any of that stuff works is a matter to be tested empirically (but then, that's what *he* said anyway), and I haven't seen any evidence of anyone -- his followers included -- having done so or doing so now. > Is he a 'supreme > mystic' because of his real achievements or because of the attractively > mystical stuff he wrote? He's a "supreme mystic" because of his achievements. We only know it because of his writings. Something I *have* done is read fairly comprehensively in the field, and can tell you that Crowley gives the best description and classification of mystic states of consciousness that I've seen (in an essay titled, stupidly enough, "The Psychology of Hashish" -- where the drug experience is really just an analogue for those who haven't taken the time to do long yoga exercises; a poor analogue). There you have it. PS: notice the tarot cards on the cover of AoF come from the Crowley deck. Love is the law, love under will. > > > dench wrote: > > > > > > The number 777 was regarded by the ancient Greeks as being the most > > > perfect number, 666 being the most imperfect number. They used letters as > > > numbers in those days, so people's names could be significant! The number > > > 666 in the Book of Revelations, by the way, does not refer to the Devil, > > > but to the name of a Roman governor who particularly persecuted Christians > > > during the reign of Nero in the Middle East. Obviously all those > > > researchers for films like Omen did not do their homework properly!!! > > > > > > Martin > > > > The name Jesus, in Greek, adds up to 888. The fact is, the number 777 > > also has a very significant meaning in occultism. Aleister Crowley (The > > Great Beast in Greek = 666) compiled a dictionary of numbers and their > > meanings (mostly Hebrew, a little Greek) and titled it _777_. Why? Two > > phrases add up to 777; this is supposed to prove that they mean or refer > > to the same thing. They are: "The Spirit of the Elohim of Lives" and > > "The World of Shells". The first is a name for God; the second refers > > to the Qlippoth, the shells or excrements of which this (illusory) world > > is composed. In other words, it's a joke that God is shit, *and* (this > > is how Crowley thought) a supreme mystic truth. -- Dan Clore The Website of Lord We?rdgliffe: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/ Welcome to the Waughters . . . From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Dec 13 14:46:18 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:46:18 -0600 Subject: OFF: 777, 666 Message-ID: A friend of mine had these things to say about the whole business of Revelational numerology: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:05:42 EST From: geoff l stevens To: [[[bunches of people]]] Subject: Re: 777, 666 Martin wrote: >The number 777 was regarded by the ancient Greeks as being the most >perfect number, 666 being the most imperfect number. They used letters >as numbers in those days, so people's names could be significant! The >number 666 in the Book of Revelations, by the way, does not refer to the >Devil, but to the name of a Roman governor who particularly persecuted >Christians during the reign of Nero in the Middle East. Obviously all >those researchers for films like Omen did not do their homework >properly!!! > >Martin Well, i would just like to comment and say this. If one takes the book of Revelation in a straightforward manner and interprets it with the full body of the Scripture, and is consistent with interpretation-- then there is no other person to whom this could be refering other than the Antichrist who is possesed by Satan himself. (Let me say that there are some assumptions built into this, i.e. that one takes a dispensational view of Scripture. In my opinion the one that takes the 'whole counsel of God' and makes sense out of it.) If it was Nero why didn't the author just use his name it was history when the book was written? It was clearly written in futuristic language. As to the number 666, many people's names (the letters in Greek) add up to the sum of 666. If this guy was refering to Nero, i am not sure whether his name adds up to 666 or not, but clearly if one reads the book of the Revelation those events have not happened on the earth. For example, the Greek r=100, o=70, b=2, e=5, r=100, t=300 so this all equals up to 577. Hence Robert=577. Another example was Lyndon B Johnson when transliterated into greek adds up to be 666. He was not the Antichrist [though some might think otherwise :) ]. The book of Revelation was written about A.D.90's, which was well after the time of Nero. When you read the book you can easily see that, though the persecution during that time was bad, it does not even come close to the catastrophic scale of this book. i have no idea if this has made any sense but I hope it helps. geoff ---------- End forwarded message ---------- Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle From skarsol at EROLS.COM Fri Dec 13 11:00:46 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:00:46 +0000 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack!!! Message-ID: Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > I think I got the letters/words in Psycosonia-Is it : They're trying to > communicate?? I might be wrong!! > anyhow, everyone have a great day!!! > close,pam,but its: they are trying to rob us of our right to communicate. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Fri Dec 13 11:04:33 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:04:33 +0000 Subject: HW: Hassan i Sahbah not nice bloke shock! Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > In message <01ICXH4KCJ1E8Y4Y5F at delphi.com>, HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes > > Calvert may have > >picked all this stuff > >up from reading Burroughs... > > Maybe, but the legend of that murderous, treacherous scumbag Hassan I > Sahbah has been around for hundreds of years, although I believe it's > only recently that he's been mythologised into this "Old Man Of The > Mountains" with the beatific catchphrase "Nothing is True, Everything Is > Permissable", like this guy was some Ghandi-like Great Man Of Peace and > pot-advocate. Well, he was a ruthless killer, responsible for the deaths > of thousands. He was definately a terrifying figure. this is true,but a great number of those thousands sorely needed killing. mainly the crusaders and would-be land theives and the missionaries.too bad they didn't kill more of THEM. i know he was still a monster,but hey- he wasn't all bad. > I must dig out my 1930's biog of the bloke, see if I can write a breif > resume, if anyone's interested. i'd like to check it out. > It's still a great song though!! that it is... rj > Jon Browne From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Dec 13 15:48:38 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:48:38 +0100 Subject: HW Recording List(s) Message-ID: >Greetings, > My name is Brian. I just joined this list and wanted to introduce >myself. Most everyone I know calls me "pink" because of my love for Pink >Floyd. So if you see a posting from "_pink" it's me. ;^) > I have been listening to HW for about 12 years and have accumulated >a fair sized collection. I am however curious as to "unauthorized" or >"rare" recordings by HW and related. Are there any lists compiled that >would give me an idea about what is available? Are their any of you >interested in PF related recordings? If so and you would like to possibly >do some trading you can visit my site (URL in sig file) and check out my >list. > I look forward to gaining more info on HW and keeping in touch with >the current state of things... > >later, > >_______________________________________________________________________ > . | >__ ( ) | |\| |< > | Visit me: http://pink.rserv.uga.edu/ >_______________________________________________________________________ > though I haven't got this mail yet - in this week of randomize silence on BOC-l - here's a bootleg list: (check out the BOC-l web archive at http://listserv.spc.edu/archives/boc-l.html if you got problem with receiving mails, but still wanna be updated [and kept sane]) *** THE LP's *** Mind Journey 1977 LP (Nebula - UK?) Plain white sleeve, plain white label. Only one acetate owned by Brian Tawn is known to mankind. Part of a live performance in Glasgow - Apollo - 1975.08.10. Live at the Watchfield and Stonehenge Festivals, 1976 1981/12 LP (Festival HAWK1 - UK) Original has "Hawkwind Roadies Erecting Scenery" cover. Label says band is "The Hawks", credit goes to "Bob and the Hawks" Rereleased in various covers and with various titles, "Live and Buzzing", "Alive and Kicking" and "Live at Stonehenge". Bootleg of Weird no. 103 tape. Recorded live in StonehengeFree Festival - 1977.06.22, and in Watchfield Free Festival - 1975.08.23. Live at the Bottom Line, New York, 1978 1981/12 LP (Festival FEST 101 - UK) Black and silver 'Valium Ten' cover. Label says band is "The Lords", credit goes also this way. Also released in plain white sleeve with orange sheet pasted onto it. Recorded live in New York - Bottom Line - 1978.03.06. The Golden Void 1991 LP (blank label, HWD-1 in runout - UK) Sleeve says 500, but 1000 copies was made. Taken from a radio show, recorded live at Glasgow - Apollo - 1982.10.19. Back cover space photo stolen and reversed from King Crimson / Red. Live at Stonehenge Free Festival 1992 LP (RTV 12024, blank label - Yug) Pressed in two runs of 500 copies each, which makes a total of 1000. Also known as "Solstice at Stonehenge". Recorded live in Stonehenge Free Festival - 1983.06.22. Assassins of Allah 1994/2 LP (blank label, HWD3 in runout groove - UK) Poor man 'inlay' cover with a 3" wraparound. Limited edition of 300 copies, numbered. Contains rare Hawkwind vinyl tracks. Cover art is a sacred Islam painting. The Cyberspace Conspiracy 1994/3 LP (no label, BET-1 L42675 in runout - US) Sleeve says ltd edition of 250. Numbered. Plain white sleeve, with pieces of paper stuck upon. Tracks taken from the "Live Legends" Video. Recorded live at Nottingham - Lenton Lane Studios - 1990.01.25 in spite of the cover info. *** THE CD's *** Space Rock from London 1991/9 CD (Genschman GENSCH 1002 CD - Lux) 4pg inlay. CD says Luxemburg, but Germany is more likely as origin country. Live in London - Paris Theatre - 1972.09.28, in spite of the cover info. This is the same recording that was on the legendary "BBC Transcription Disc" - but this is remixed. Orgasmatron 1992 CD (Cargo CARGOCD22 - UK) 2pg inlay - flipside is blank. Sleeve notes. Limited edition of 500 copies. Tracks are taken from various venues and dates from 1971 to 1992. First album appearance of New Jerusalem and Starfarers Despatch. Live - St.Albans 1979 1993 CD (Waklyn Music WAKCD79 - UK) 2pg inlay - flipside is blank. Limited edition of 500 copies. Recorded live in S:t Albans - City Hall - 1979.12.08, the same gig as "Live '79" but a poorer mix, and with a different track selection. Kings of Speed, Lords of Light 1993 CD (GEMA - Ger) Black pic disc, or Blue and White pic disc. 2pg inlay - flipside is blank. Sleeve notes says Recorded 1992.05.18, Latin Quarter, Detroit but recorded live at Bochum, Germany - Zeche - 1991.10.08. Dawn of Hawkwind 1994/2 CD (? WSCD2075 - UK) 2pg inlay - flipside is blank. Limited edition of 500 copies. Roger Dean cover. Tracks are taken from various venues and dates from 1972 to 1990. First album appearance of 'Dawn/Sunrise' and 'Frisco Jam'. Same cover as the "Third Ear Band" soundtrack to the 'Macbeth' film by R. Polanski Rock City 1994/4 CD (Newton WAHCD613 - Lux) 4pg inlay - where foldout is blank. Limited edition of 500 copies. Cover art is stolen from HotMG Tour Programme. Recorded live at Nottingham - Rock City - 1993.11.16. First album appearance of Sputnik Stan. Space London 1972 1994/11 CD (Live Storm 1626 - Ita) Bootleg of a bootleg. Live in London - Paris Theatre - 1972.09.28. The same CD as the "Space Rock from London" bootleg, but different name and cover. Theta Orionis 1996/7 CD (? 199096 - UK?) 4pg inlay with pics of Calvert in psychedelia pattern. Pic disc. Contains various live tracks, BBC session and rare vinyl tracks. *** THE CD-Recordables *** Nova Drive 1995/9 CD-R (Discontent DISC20470 - US) 4pg inlay with blank foldout. Cover with white background. Very few was released with a slightly different cover - light grey background. Only CD-R that's made of short live green dye. Tracks is recorded from various venues and dates, mainly from late 80:ies or later. The very small run of a total of 35 pcs depended on the appearance of "Terra Mystica", which made Doug Smith roar a bit. Damnation Alley 1995/12 CD-R (Mystic Wankers Record - Ger) 4pg inlay with foldout blank. Just 7 copies made. Recorded at Minneapolis - First Avenue - 1989.10.04 Timeless Paeans from the Ongoing Rituals of Space 1996/1 CD-R (Nova Drive - US) Numbered on shelf side. Standard CD-Recordable disc. Tracks is recorded from various venues and dates, mainly from late 80:ies or later. Some in the early run was defect with a lot of sparcle, cracks and dropouts. Secret Tepee 1996/4 CD-R (? - Ger) 4pg inlay with foldout blank. Superb quality, but only 11 copies were made. Recorded at Reading - University - 1992.05.19 Corridors of Flame 1996/5 CD-R (Nova Drive - US) 4pg inlay with 'Golden Void' lyrics. Both disc and front cover is numbered. Two different tracklist versions exist - with or without "Time for Sale" Tracks is recorded from various venues and dates, over the whole career of Hawkwind. First appearance of Beast of Chaos and Waiting for My Man. The A Files 1996/7 CD-R (Nova Drive - US) Rumours talks of "only 7 copies made". Part of a show from Boulder - Fox Theatre - 1995.04.23. those semi boots is left out: The Friday Rock Show Sessions - Live at Reading '86 (92/3) California Brainstorm (92/7) Undisclosed Files (white cover/LP - 93) don't know if one shall count CD-recordables if they didn't have any commercial success at all - as a collector I would like to at least have the chance to buy a copy... I know 4 other CD-R boots, entitled: Madman on the edge of stage in the hall of the Hawkwind gig wandering about astounding music & amazing sounds Minneapolis, 1st Ave, MN, USA 4.10.1989 (yes, Damnation Alley!) Stoned Hemp Stored Odds all made in 4 copies... - happy kollekting! \\joe From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Dec 13 15:48:42 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:48:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Sad Lovers and Giants - the Conclusion Message-ID: got the Hawkwind: _Sad Lovers and Giants_ from Holland today. when tearing the parcel to pieces, some poor soul on the the front cover looked at me while screaming in agony - odd hw cover! looked at the shelf side - yes the label was familiar: Anagram CDMGRAM 104... flipped it over, and no - the live pic on the back cover... something was wrong, terrible wrong... front cover again/title: e-mail from eternity - the best of sad lovers and giants beware! - \\joe the music? - don't know, got an immediate allergic reaction and had to cure me with an Anagram CDMGRAM 105 (yet again familiar...) Cosmic Travellers Vol 6. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 13 14:50:23 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:50:23 EDT Subject: BOC in Utica! Message-ID: A local paper is now reporting a BOC gig in Utica, NY on 28 Dec. Miniature picture at least shows the current lineup. First I heard of the gig. Sounds like a one-off surprise show. Now get this--it's been at least 5 years since I've seen them, and I'm going to be out of town! Don't think I can make it back for the show. This is the ultimate in holiday-time depression. Anyone know of any other gigs planned for BOC? about to puke on my boots, theo From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Dec 13 18:08:59 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:08:59 -0700 Subject: BOC in Utica! In-Reply-To: <1AD0F2F72E4@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Theo; Yes, there is one more gig for BOC that I know has been confirmed; Indianapolis, IND at the Union Station, along with Kansas on the bill. This is the NEw Years Eve show!!! BTW, thanks for the tapes!!! I GOT THEO'S TAPES!!! I GOT THEO'S TAPES!!! And I got the BS CD, Too!!!! X-Mas is early for me... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From skarsol at EROLS.COM Fri Dec 13 17:16:57 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 22:16:57 +0000 Subject: HW: Sad Lovers and Giants - the Conclusion Message-ID: Johan Edlundh wrote: > > got the Hawkwind: _Sad Lovers and Giants_ from Holland today. > WHAT IS THIS,PLEASE? rj From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Sat Dec 14 00:37:40 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:37:40 -0800 Subject: BOC: An Experiement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My seven year old daughter's second favorite song is "Then Came the Last Days of May". She calls it the "Sand song". The first is a techno thing called "A Million Colors" -Passerby On Thu, 12 Dec 1996, jean l delacour wrote: > A similar "experiment"; I teach special ed emotionally disturbed kids, > and normally I play a classical or new age station in very low volume in > the background as they work. Well, it was on a Friday, and they asked me > what I like, so I played them Godzilla. > Cities On Flame. > Astronomy (Imaginos Version. > > They LOVED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~! > > > God bless... > > > Manuel > > Jean Delacour > University of New Mexico > Parish Library > Alb, NM 87131-1496 > delacour at unm.edu > From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Dec 14 01:37:30 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 07:37:30 +0100 Subject: HW: Sad Lovers and Giants - the Conclusion Message-ID: At 22:16 1996-12-13 +0000, you wrote: >Johan Edlundh wrote: >> >> got the Hawkwind: _Sad Lovers and Giants_ from Holland today. >> > >WHAT IS THIS,PLEASE? rj a false alarm - it is listed as Hawkwind: Sad Lovers and Giants in a record store's database, but is something completely different. was discussed here three weeks ago. do not panic - \\joe From skarsol at EROLS.COM Fri Dec 13 21:58:08 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 02:58:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Sad Lovers and Giants - the Conclusion Message-ID: Johan Edlundh wrote: > > At 22:16 1996-12-13 +0000, you wrote: > >Johan Edlundh wrote: > >> > >> got the Hawkwind: _Sad Lovers and Giants_ from Holland today. > >> > > > >WHAT IS THIS,PLEASE? rj > > a false alarm - it is listed as Hawkwind: Sad Lovers and Giants in a record > store's database, but is something completely different. > > was discussed here three weeks ago. > > do not panic - \\joe heh heh heh,thanks :) rj From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Sat Dec 14 04:32:53 1996 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 02:32:53 -0700 Subject: HW: Sonic Attack!!! Message-ID: skarsol wrote: > > Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > > > I think I got the letters/words in Psycosonia-Is it : They're trying to > > communicate?? I might be wrong!! > > anyhow, everyone have a great day!!! > > > > close,pam,but its: > they are trying to rob us of our right to communicate. > rj Thankyou!! I appreciate the help!! I was close, tho!!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: In message <199612131645.LAA18496 at mbunix.mitre.org>, John A Swartz writes >>I remember trying to say "BOC-L are OK, really" on AOL, and someone said BOC-L >were "pseudo-intellectual shits". > >Hey, I'm not "pseudo" anything. I'm just a plain old intellectual shit. > >;-) ;-) ;-) > >John Damn, you beat me to it! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 13 13:18:55 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 18:18:55 +0000 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Last night's AOL Chat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >>Didn't take the time to check, cause I had been like fighting with AOL for >>15 minutes to find a login name it would accept ! @!&?@$# > >>From my stint on AOL, I seem to recall that Desdinova at aol was taken. But hey, >DR found that someone had beaten him to BuckDharma at aol... > >I remember trying to say "BOC-L are OK, really" on AOL, and someone said BOC-L >were "pseudo-intellectual shits". So I didn't feel like sticking around to be >insulted further. Or to discuss firearms. Or the NFL. Or BOC mouse mats. > >- Andy You should have pointed out that, in fact, we are real intellectual shits. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 13 13:14:35 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 18:14:35 +0000 Subject: HW: Sonic Assassins EP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Mikey pops writes >As an enquiry did something about a book entitled Kaleidoscope eyes from >me make it to the list? > >Mike w > Yes and I responded and that's why the MC5 posts -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 13 13:10:30 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 18:10:30 +0000 Subject: OFF:MC5 In-Reply-To: <01BBE8E2.70043F00@dhcp-14.dhcp.tadpole.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <01BBE8E2.70043F00 at dhcp-14.dhcp.tadpole.co.uk>, Mike Parkington writes >Jon, > >I am curious that you refer to The MC5 as a psychedelic band. Have I missed >something here? I had always thought their music extremely unHawkish (which >is not to say that the Hawks are the definitive psychedelic band) more >like Stray or a non-poppy Sweet (some of the Sweet's B sides were really >quite heavy) The only album I can recall hearing was Kick out the Jams. Well, you're not wrong but labels are tricky sometimes. I think of them as psychedelic punk, myself. They are often refered to as a psyche band, (I think there's a subtle difference beteween psyche and psychedelic) But, yes, as good as Kick Out The Jams was, their studios albums esp. High Times and Back In The USA are bloody great! I haven't heard Wayne's new CD though yet, bit skint at the moment ;( -- Jon Browne From torgo at NORWICH.NET Sat Dec 14 09:11:30 1996 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 09:11:30 -0500 Subject: BOC: BOC in Utica? Message-ID: Out from under my rock........ >A local paper is now reporting a BOC gig in Utica, NY on 28 Dec. >Miniature picture at least shows the current lineup. First I heard >of the gig. Sounds like a one-off surprise show. Hey Theo, where's the gig? What are the details? >Now get this--it's been at least 5 years since I've seen them, and >I'm going to be out of town! Don't think I can make it back for the >show. This is the ultimate in holiday-time depression. I also have plans for that evening my friend, so don't feel alone. However, if I knew the details and location of da show it might start to boil and fester in my cranium until I cannot live with it anymore, thus blowing off what I have to do that night and pissing off some people, yet giving myself a nice gift for this non-specific, all-inclusive, socio-economic season we have been thrust headlong into once again. Hmmmmmmmm, maybe I'll start trying to get out my Dec 28 plans now........ Back under the rock.......... Torgo has left the building...... torgo at norwich.net From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Sat Dec 14 09:50:25 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (TRANSMANIACON MC) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 10:50:25 EDT Subject: BOC: BOC in Utica? Message-ID: C'mon Torgo! Jason "Bolts of Godly Vision" Scruton and I will be there. It'll be a regular BOC-L party! Theo, what holliday plans could be more important than getting the chance to hear Harvest Moon in concert? ;) Brian From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Dec 14 06:44:20 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 11:44:20 +0000 Subject: BOC: 777 was: Re: BOC, tBS: (Imaginos) Overture, sevens... In-Reply-To: <32B1ADEC.153C@columbia-center.org> Message-ID: In message <32B1ADEC.153C at columbia-center.org>, Dan Clore writes >No, I have never practiced ceremonial magick, if that's what you mean. >I also don't belong to any Crowley cults. Whether any of that stuff >works is a matter to be tested empirically (but then, that's what *he* >said anyway), and I haven't seen any evidence of anyone -- his followers >included -- having done so or doing so now. What evidence would one require? I don't quite follow the grammer of the last sentence. Are you saying no-one practises what Crowley espoused? Or that no-one has achieved anything through his teachings? There are hundreds upon hundreds of people who practise Crowleyan thought and ritual on a daily basis and who find it highly effective and beneficial. -- Jon Browne From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Sat Dec 14 14:25:22 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 14:25:22 -0500 Subject: BOC: BOC in Utica? Message-ID: Posted by Eric on AOL. Subj: Re:Shows confirmed Date: 96-12-09 13:54:38 EST From: OYSTRBOY 27th Farmingdale , Long Island.....Tommyknockers 28th Utica, N.Y...........................Rain Forest Preserve 31st Indianapolis, IN ...................Union Station (New Year's Eve) R. From JenWaldorf at AOL.COM Sat Dec 14 15:33:47 1996 From: JenWaldorf at AOL.COM (Jennifer Waldorf) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 15:33:47 -0500 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Last night's AOL Chat Message-ID: Hey, I'm from AOL and I like you guys. (Tho you do quote just a bit too much ;-) Jen From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Sat Dec 14 16:13:17 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 22:13:17 +0100 Subject: OFF:MC5 Message-ID: >Mike, >If you listen to all of 'Kick out the Jams', thelast song is called 'Starship', and is a collaboration with Sun-Ra (I think). This song is _very_ psychedelic. Even Spacemen 3 did a cover of it..... Christian From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Sat Dec 14 17:25:28 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 23:25:28 +0100 Subject: Imaginos - anybody???? Message-ID: I have a copy of BOC's Imaginos on CD and would like to trade it off (euro CBS version). Anybody interested e-mail me and we can work out a trade.... at christmu at login.eunet.no. I'm still looking for a few Hawkwind items to quench my cosmic thirst. Christian From hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM Sat Dec 14 17:38:34 1996 From: hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 14:38:34 -0800 Subject: BOC in Utica! Message-ID: Here are the dates scheduled as reported by EB. 27th Dec. York, PA 28th Dec. Utica, NY At 16:08 12/13/96 -0700, you wrote: >Theo; > >Yes, there is one more gig for BOC that I know has been confirmed; > >Indianapolis, IND at the Union Station, along with Kansas on the bill. >This is the NEw Years Eve show!!! > > >BTW, thanks for the tapes!!! I GOT THEO'S TAPES!!! I GOT THEO'S TAPES!!! > >And I got the BS CD, Too!!!! X-Mas is early for me... > >Manuel & > >Jean Delacour >University of New Mexico >Parish Library >Alb, NM 87131-1496 >delacour at unm.edu > > From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Sat Dec 14 17:34:00 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 23:34:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: >>Andrew A. Apold wrote: >>> >>> >Jon Browne wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> > And there's JC - Jesus Christ/Jerry Cornelius link, too.... >>> >>> Julius Caesar? > >>Another dead (martyr) singer. I guess he'd fit - many of the characters >>have a J and a C or both, in their initials. Now if only I could find >>- Max Wilcox (Jax Cilcox) > >John Cougar? >Joe Cool? >Jim Crow? > > Try "John Constantine" Christian From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Sat Dec 14 17:44:03 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 23:44:03 +0100 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Last night's AOL Chat Message-ID: >Hey, I'm from AOL and I like you guys. (Tho you do quote just a bit too much >;-) > >Jen We quote alot cuz we are such litererariy intelecktuell types! Christian From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Sat Dec 14 18:40:09 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Dan Clore) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 15:40:09 -0800 Subject: BOC: 777 was: Re: BOC, tBS: (Imaginos) Overture, sevens... Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > In message <32B1ADEC.153C at columbia-center.org>, Dan Clore > writes > >No, I have never practiced ceremonial magick, if that's what you mean. > >I also don't belong to any Crowley cults. Whether any of that stuff > >works is a matter to be tested empirically (but then, that's what *he* > >said anyway), and I haven't seen any evidence of anyone -- his followers > >included -- having done so or doing so now. > > What evidence would one require? I don't quite follow the grammar of the > last sentence. Are you saying no-one practises what Crowley espoused? Or > that no-one has achieved anything through his teachings? There are > hundreds upon hundreds of people who practise Crowleyan thought and > ritual on a daily basis and who find it highly effective and beneficial. > -- > Jon Browne I just mean trying to perform the magick as experiments based on scientific method, attempting to make controls for different factors, and suchlike. Of course many people practise magick. (I'd guess the number in the tens of thousands just for those directly influenced by Crowley.) What they don't seem to do (or at least don't publish) is keep what Crowley called a "magick record" -- "I did such-and-such under such-and-such conditions, and such-and-such resulted. Then I tried such-and-so under the same conditions, with this difference in the results." If a large number of those who practise magick kept these and published them, comparison should easily show what works -- or if it was all just chance that someone got good results doing something one way rather than another. Like sports figures who develop little rituals because they happen to have had a good game after they did some particular thing. -- Dan Clore The Website of Lord We?rdgliffe: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/ Welcome to the Waughters . . . From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Sat Dec 14 18:48:59 1996 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 18:48:59 -0500 Subject: OFF:Moorcock In-Reply-To: <9612131321.aa16270@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Dec 13, 96 01:21:13 pm Message-ID: in addition to those titles alreaady mentioned there is the "second ether" trilogy: --Blood --Fabulous Harbours --The War Amongst The Angels only Blood is in print in the US alas. this trilogy, which deals with more Von Beks, and Beggs and somber albinos ties together a great many of the threads Moorcock has been exploring over the years and are most dfinitely worth a read. probably my favorite Fantasy from him. (tho Mother London is still first over all i think...) BTW no one has a tape of Moorcock and the Deep Fix from Nik Turners Bohemian Love-In, 1976?? oh well, doesn't hurt to try! and didn't someone mention that Turner was going to release a record with 3-4 Moorcock inspired songs? --dave > > Mike Parkington writes: > > > There have been a lot of references regarding Moorcock's books recently. > > > > For those who are only familiar with the Sword and sorcery ones (which are a good read IMO) I would strongly recommend that you also read: > > > > The Blood Red Game (first MM book I ever read and brilliant) > > Warlord of the air trilogy > > Gloriana > > Behold the Man (as AA says though, Christians may find this highly offensive) > > also The Ice Schooner - which contains one of his best heroes. Much > more of a positive character than many of Moorcock's other heroes - his > decisions, however flawed, are made by him and not enforced by some > mysterious higher fate. The Ice Schooner hero is actually one of the > few Moorcock characters (oops - do I talk sacrilige here?) that I've > ever felt genuine sympathy for. > > jill > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- "sigs'll give you lung cancer" From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Sat Dec 14 19:42:09 1996 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 17:42:09 -0700 Subject: HW Message-ID: Hi! a question-is there an HW chat room on the irc? If so, where to go please? Thanx in advance! Pam From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Dec 14 20:11:55 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 20:11:55 -0500 Subject: OFF:MC5 Message-ID: That's right, Christian, Spacemen 3 did cover "Starship". It's on the Live In Europe CD, which I have an extra copy of, if anyone needs one...I bought it for one dollar, so that's all I'm charging (with postage). Chuck From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Dec 14 21:31:01 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 21:31:01 -0500 Subject: HW: Elric and OJ Message-ID: >>>Andrew A. Apold wrote: >Try "John Constantine" Now that'd be a good subject for a concept album. Unfortunately, according to an appearance in Sandman, his favorite song is "Heard it on the Grapevine..." =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Dec 14 23:37:08 1996 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 23:37:08 -0500 Subject: BOC, tBS: (Imaginos) Overture, sevens... Message-ID: >I wonder how closely Overture resembles the original Imaginos Overture, but >it certainly touches on most of the significant rhythms and melodies from the >project. Here's my breakdown: > >0:00 Imaginos >0:45 I Am The One You Warned Me Of >1:31 Del Rio's Song >1:49 In The Presence of Another World >2:22 ? for the record that is also Magna of Illusion >2:36 Magna of Illusion >2:56 Les Invisibles >3:15 Blue Oyster Cult >3:44 Frankenstein >4:03 Astronomy >4:46 The Girl That Love Made Blind >5:17 Imaginos >The only other song with an odd meter is Laura's Plastic Swords, which also >features a brief 7/8 pattern three measures long, repeated three times in the >course of the song (right after Albert's verses and at the end). What I'm >wondering is, why didn't Albert use any interesting time signatures like this >on Imaginos, especially given that patterns of sevens would have brilliantly >echoed the story? Laura's was written right around the time that I was working on Imaginos. There is only one odd bar in the "offical-CBS" Imaginos. That's a bar of seven right before one of the choruses in BOC. Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Dec 14 23:44:14 1996 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 23:44:14 -0500 Subject: BOC:666 was: 777 was: Re: BOC, tBS: (Imaginos) Overture, sevens... Message-ID: I think it's possible that this whole numerology thing was more meaningful in days of yore. For instance I just found this out that the names for numbers also stood for animals in Hebrew. There are just not that many words in Hebrew so many words do double or multiple duty and can only be interpreted in context. I imagine it was like that for many ancient languages. Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sat Dec 14 23:48:19 1996 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 23:48:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: Guitarists and Spectres Message-ID: >French author Celine. I find this hard to accept, if only because the >song refers to Celine as a woman. It would be pleasing to accept that the >song is about one of the more haunted French writers of this century, but >I don't believe it can be. Any thoughts? The original lyric was "...... for his company. I know why he's hiding etc." Somebody wanted to change it but it wasn't me. Al From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Sun Dec 15 00:02:55 1996 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 00:02:55 -0500 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? Message-ID: >I think that Mirrors probably did alienate some fans. No idea how >well Columbia got behind CE. Al? But if that logic should hold, how >can we explain FoUO's success? Columbia acted like a concerned parent of a teenager, at that time. I knew what we were doing even if some in the band didn't. Forgive me if you've read this before but: Mirrors was taking the commercial idea as far as we possibly could. We wanted to get on that same level as Fleetwood Mac, respected but big sellers. When that didn't happen I took a look at who we really were. We really couldn't do that obvious thing. What we excelled at was quirky and mysterious. The first thing we had to do was reestablish our credibility. I decided we needed to make a record that was non-commercial and as heavy as we could make, that might not sell but it would cement in peoples minds who we still were. That record was CE. Some people (even some group members) were disappointed that it didn't sell even as much as Mirrors but the reviews were great, the fans at the shows raved about it. I knew it was a sccess. When we did FoUO we simply unleashed those commercial urges that we'd bottled up for CE and it worked. I said "Told Ya So" to said band members and got m'self sacked. Al From skarsol at EROLS.COM Sat Dec 14 20:15:22 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 01:15:22 +0000 Subject: HW Message-ID: Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > > Hi! > > a question-is there an HW chat room on the irc? If so, where to go > please? > Thanx in advance! > Pam i dont know of one,but when i was on aol,i made one once. it had maybe 5 members within 20 minutes.most of whom remembered hw from days gone by, and were amazed to hear they were still around. i think two of the people only knew hw as "lemmy's old band." the thing is,hw tour so infrequently,now and in the past,and the promotion has been so pathetic,that hw are really only known by two or three types of fans.the ones who were 'inducted',and the ones who discovered them thru literary connections. i made a hawkwind chatroom on a pub irc once,and the only bites i got were people wondering what the heck a hawkwind was.... rj From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Dec 15 05:04:26 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 10:04:26 +0000 Subject: OFF:Moorcock In-Reply-To: <199612142349.SAA11183@pobox.upenn.edu> Message-ID: In message <199612142349.SAA11183 at pobox.upenn.edu>, dave cohen writes > in addition to those titles alreaady mentioned there is the > "second ether" trilogy: > --Blood > --Fabulous Harbours > --The War Amongst The Angels > > only Blood is in print in the US alas. but Fabulous Harbours should be out in a week or two Stateside. Golly, they're so talkative on the Moorcock list maybe we should formally invite them over here, eh, Dave? :) -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Dec 15 05:01:58 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 10:01:58 +0000 Subject: BOC: 777 was: Re: BOC, tBS: (Imaginos) Overture, sevens... In-Reply-To: <32B33AD9.29C7@columbia-center.org> Message-ID: In message <32B33AD9.29C7 at columbia-center.org>, Dan Clore writes >I just mean trying to perform the magick as experiments based on >scientific method, attempting to make controls for different factors, >and suchlike. Of course many people practise magick. (I'd guess the >number in the tens of thousands just for those directly influenced by >Crowley.) What they don't seem to do (or at least don't publish) is >keep what Crowley called a "magick record" -- "I did such-and-such under >such-and-such conditions, and such-and-such resulted. Then I tried >such-and-so under the same conditions, with this difference in the >results." If a large number of those who practise magick kept these and >published them, comparison should easily show what works -- or if it was >all just chance that someone got good results doing something one way >rather than another. Like sports figures who develop little rituals >because they happen to have had a good game after they did some >particular thing. >-- >Dan Clore > >The Website of Lord We?rdgliffe: >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/ >Welcome to the Waughters . . . I see what you mean. Hmm, well, a few people spring to mind. Isreal Regardie, Hyatt and Guest for example. Robert Anton Wilson has published one or two simple enough "how-to's" as well. It would have never occured to me to publish something like that principally because the results would be not just personal but infinatly subjective too. Having said that, there are published accounts such as these and people chose to disregard them for the same reason they disregarded Uncle Alistair in the first place. But I would have thought with a little research, you'd find hundreds of such accounts. But really, at the end of the day, for it to have any meaning, you have to walk the walk. You can't do it from an armchair, and I've often been told intellectualising on the subject only makes it harder. It doesn't _work_ like that! BTW I've got a *.wav of Crowley doing a spot of Enochian prayer if you'd like to hear HMV! -- Jon Browne From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sun Dec 15 07:33:57 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 23:33:57 +1100 Subject: BOC in Utica! In-Reply-To: <1AD0F2F72E4@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > A local paper is now reporting a BOC gig in Utica, NY on 28 Dec. > Miniature picture at least shows the current lineup. First I heard > of the gig. Sounds like a one-off surprise show. > > Now get this--it's been at least 5 years since I've seen them, and > I'm going to be out of town! Don't think I can make it back for the > show. This is the ultimate in holiday-time depression. If it's any consolation, I won't be at the gig either. > > Anyone know of any other gigs planned for BOC? I wish. > > about to puke on my boots, theo > Always pukin on mine. Troy :) From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sun Dec 15 07:35:45 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 23:35:45 +1100 Subject: BOC in Utica! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Manuel, Congratulations on getting Theo's tapes. Troy. From mordru at MAGG.NET Sun Dec 15 11:30:22 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 11:30:22 -0500 Subject: BOC:666 was: 777 was: Re: BOC, tBS: (Imaginos) Overture, sevens... Message-ID: >I think it's possible that this whole numerology thing was more meaningful >in days of yore. For instance I just found this out that the names for >numbers also stood for animals in Hebrew. There are just not that many >words in Hebrew so many words do double or multiple duty and can only be >interpreted in context. I imagine it was like that for many ancient >languages. The 666 thing wasn't anything special, it was a way for people to refer to Nero without saying his name (and thus risking beign thrown to the lions when speaking ill of him). Asimov had an excellent article on the whole subject awhile back. It's what came from using the same characters for numbers as well as letters, and one of the principle advantages of the arabic numerals is that they are wholly unfamiliar in any concept except the representation of numbers. It is truly a waste of time. Martin Luther's name added up to 666, but so did that of several popes. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Sun Dec 15 13:05:14 1996 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 11:05:14 -0700 Subject: HW Message-ID: skarsol wrote: > > Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > > a question-is there an HW chat room on the irc? If so, where to go > > please? > > Thanx in advance! > > Pam > > i dont know of one,but when i was on aol,i made one once. it had maybe 5 > members within 20 minutes.most of whom remembered hw from days gone by, > and were amazed to hear they were still around. > i think two of the people only knew hw as "lemmy's old band." > the thing is,hw tour so infrequently,now and in the past,and the > promotion has been so pathetic,that hw are really only known by two or > three types of fans.the ones who were 'inducted',and the ones who > discovered them thru literary connections. > i made a hawkwind chatroom on a pub irc once,and the only bites i got > were people wondering what the heck a hawkwind was.... > rj Good point-I guess I was inducted. Hafta admit-I really would havemissed out had my friend not loaned me the music!! Thank you tho! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > > skarsol wrote: > > > > Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > a question-is there an HW chat room on the irc? If so, where to go > > > please? > > > Thanx in advance! > > > Pam one suggestion: if you really wanted to,i suppose ya could arrange a meeting with some of the people in here.i mean,it might be cool.on this list,you have to be careful of what,and how much you post.i mean its not brutal like a newsgroup would be,but there are guidelines which must be followed,and post-and-reply is not always satisfying as thoughts and ideas get lost in the exchange. so if you are really interested,find out who else is interested,decide on an irc server (or whatever its called),and agree on a time and day. it could be cool. [i don't really know much about irc,as i have only done it a few times. it is usually very boring,with 70% of it being made up of horny teens asking "any females in here?",and the rest of them asking "how do i ....can anyone help a newbie?" =)] rj From uriah at HERMITAGE.RU Sun Dec 15 19:07:18 1996 From: uriah at HERMITAGE.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 03:07:18 +0300 Subject: HW/OFF: Solstice in Stonehenge Message-ID: Hi folks, I have a nice video tape with HW in Stonehenge in 1984 (that's the HW connection ;), but what I'd like to know is about the festival itself and the story how it was banned. Maybe someone here remembers these events, or maybe someone knows some place in the web where I can read about it? Yuri From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Sun Dec 15 23:07:55 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Dan Clore) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 20:07:55 -0800 Subject: BOC: 777 was: Re: BOC, tBS: (Imaginos) Overture, sevens... Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > In message <32B33AD9.29C7 at columbia-center.org>, Dan Clore > writes > >I just mean trying to perform the magick as experiments based on > >scientific method, attempting to make controls for different factors, > >and suchlike. Of course many people practise magick. (I'd guess the > >number in the tens of thousands just for those directly influenced by > >Crowley.) What they don't seem to do (or at least don't publish) is > >keep what Crowley called a "magick record" -- "I did such-and-such under > >such-and-such conditions, and such-and-such resulted. Then I tried > >such-and-so under the same conditions, with this difference in the > >results." If a large number of those who practise magick kept these and > >published them, comparison should easily show what works -- or if it was > >all just chance that someone got good results doing something one way > >rather than another. Like sports figures who develop little rituals > >because they happen to have had a good game after they did some > >particular thing. > > I see what you mean. Hmm, well, a few people spring to mind. Isreal > Regardie, Hyatt and Guest for example. Robert Anton Wilson has published > one or two simple enough "how-to's" as well. It would have never occured > to me to publish something like that principally because the results > would be not just personal but infinatly subjective too. Having said > that, there are published accounts such as these and people chose to > disregard them for the same reason they disregarded Uncle Alistair in > the first place. But I would have thought with a little research, you'd > find hundreds of such accounts. But really, at the end of the day, for > it to have any meaning, you have to walk the walk. You can't do it from > an armchair, and I've often been told intellectualising on the subject > only makes it harder. It doesn't _work_ like that! The really good works of Regardie, Hyatt, and RAW (the best of the lot) concern more in the way of psychological exercises. As far as the value of their work, I can concede that much. When I talk about magick, though, I mean influencing the world outside your nervous system. It ought to be incredibly obvious that practicing meditation and such will change your consciousness. (Often a very good thing to know how to do.) And when asking for the support of empirical experiments, I mean more than the million "how-to" guides on the market. I want the evidence that the method works. As for finding plenty of accounts, sure, you can find a ton of *completely uncontrolled, unscientific* stories. Many good examples of what I don't consider good evidence. Your statement about that being too subjective I don't understand; to establish it would mean making it objective. And btw, you might remember that RAW attributes his own practice of ceremonial magick to "the madness of the sixties". He seems rather embarrassed by it all. It is true that people usually just ignore such accounts when they are published. The usual viewpoint in these writers, I think, is to work yourself up into belief *while actually performing an experiment*, but then to look at the results afterwards with total skepticism. As far as intellectualising making it harder, well, sounds too much like a straight-line to me ("Well, that explains a lot about those who claim success in magick! Only the stupid can perform spells successfully!" etc.) > BTW I've got a *.wav of Crowley doing a spot of Enochian prayer if you'd > like to hear HMV! This is actually a recording of Crowley himself? Send it on over. And tell me how to listen to the thing. -- Dan Clore The Website of Lord We?rdgliffe: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/ Welcome to the Waughters . . . From pookadad at DELTANET.COM Mon Dec 16 01:36:38 1996 From: pookadad at DELTANET.COM (Michael G Karschner) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 22:36:38 -0800 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? Message-ID: Albert T Bouchard wrote: > > >I think that Mirrors probably did alienate some fans. No idea how > >well Columbia got behind CE. Al? But if that logic should hold, how > >can we explain FoUO's success? > > Columbia acted like a concerned parent of a teenager, at that time. I knew > what we were doing even if some in the band didn't. Forgive me if you've > read this before but: > Mirrors was taking the commercial idea as far as we possibly could. We > wanted to get on that same level as Fleetwood Mac, respected but big > sellers. > > When that didn't happen I took a look at who we really were. We really > couldn't do that obvious thing. What we excelled at was quirky and > mysterious. The first thing we had to do was reestablish our credibility. I > decided we needed to make a record that was non-commercial and as heavy as > we could make, that might not sell but it would cement in peoples minds who > we still were. That record was CE. Some people (even some group members) > were disappointed that it didn't sell even as much as Mirrors but the > reviews were great, the fans at the shows raved about it. I knew it was a > sccess. > > When we did FoUO we simply unleashed those commercial urges that we'd > bottled up for CE and it worked. I said "Told Ya So" to said band members > and got m'self sacked. > Al Al, would you mind if I posted this to the AOL BOC board? -- Mike From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Dec 16 02:10:30 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 01:10:30 -0600 Subject: BOC:666 was: 777 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Dec 1996, Albert T Bouchard wrote: > I think it's possible that this whole numerology thing was more meaningful > in days of yore. For instance I just found this out that the names for > numbers also stood for animals in Hebrew. Along the same lines, I once had a book called _Prophecy_In_the_Psalms_. The premise was that each of the first 100 Psalms was supposed to represent the corresponding year in the 20th century. [It was a bit far- fetched... according to the book, the Rapture was supposed to happen in 1987. :) ] Anyway, My point is, all of the numbers were represented by letters (as stated before). But most of the numbers, then, spelled out a word ("most" because it's a lot easier to do when you don't have to worry about vowels). If I could find the darn book (it's buried in a closet somewhere), I would type in some of those word-numbers. Damon C Capehart | "Talent instantly recognizes genius, but aka Le Monsieur Damon | mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Arthur Conan Doyle From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Mon Dec 16 03:53:02 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 08:53:02 -0000 Subject: Hassan i Sahbah not nice bloke shock! Message-ID: Yes, I for one would be interested. Mike P. Ghandi-like Great Man Of Peace and pot-advocate. Well, he was a ruthless killer, responsible for the deaths of thousands. He was definately a terrifying figure. I must dig out my 1930's biog of the bloke, see if I can write a breif resume, if anyone's interested. It's still a great song though!! -- Jon Browne begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(@,(`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &`#0!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```%$`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!"3T,O2&%W:W=I;F0@ M1&ES8W5S``(P`0````4```!33510`````!X``S !````%P```$)/0RU,0$Q)4U13 M15)6+E-00RY%1%4```,`%0P!`````P#^#P8````>``$P`0```!\````G0D]# M+TAA=VMW:6YD($1I`' ``0```"H```!213H at 2&%S ML"@P!0`O()`@!C: K 0+"!)($<"$ 7 `B!E('<(8&SX M9"!B&I +@!/0%A 3P8QD+ at J%"H5-:6L:D+Y0&^T8W J@`V 3T&,%0,)'$8!N M9&DM&( <\2I'%A!A!4!-`Y%/9KL=$"!P8QJ0'[$*A7 ?,$ M861V;V,@@&5 M+B!796QL&?!H!1J1800 at 82!R=71L:&P'D 0@:P,0)#!R_QGP&X$B( "!`F : MD!HR)!"G&I -L"" :',*A6\A`*LD$ A@ &? 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Note From A Cold Planet Moorcock The Welcoming Hands Of Space Ashley? They've Got Your Number Langton Mark Of Cain Langton Ode To A Crystal Set Calvert Time Of Brock? My Armour's Killing Me Moorcock Raping Robots In The Street Brock FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 16 07:20:53 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:20:53 GMT Subject: HW/OFF: Solstice in Stonehenge In-Reply-To: Yuri Elik's message of Mon, 16 Dec 1996 03:07:18 +0300 Message-ID: Yuri Elik writes: > Hi folks, > > I have a nice video tape with HW in Stonehenge in 1984 (that's the HW > connection ;), but what I'd like to know is about the festival itself > and the story how it was banned. Maybe someone here remembers these > events, or maybe someone knows some place in the web where I can read > about it? Basically if something happens twelve years running in England it becomes legally a "tradition". In 1985, to prevent this the Conservative government had riot Police escort and then ambush the "Peace Convoy" of various trucks, buses, and other vehicles of people heading towards the Stonehenge festival site. Pictures were subsequently available of Riot Police gone mad and breaking windows and clubbing people from the vans. In one notorious piece of film a policeman is clearly seen clubbing a pregnant woman to the ground. Various long-running Court cases were spawned by this event. Each solstice now, various people attempt to reach Stonehenge and are arrested under some dubious laws which were first used during the Miners Strike in 1984 to prevent miners travelling to picket lines. > Yuri FoFP From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Dec 16 07:23:19 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:23:19 +0100 Subject: HW: Lyrics for LSD Message-ID: >The various other Hawkwind tracks which aren't on CD are: > >Star Song (title unknown from 1990) Wishart >The Blackening Rabbit (1981 tour) Brock? >The Joker Of The Universe Moorcock >The Timeship Will Not Sail Again Moorcock >Your Secret's Safe With Me Wishart >Time For Sale Calvert? Corridor of Flame CD-R boot >Astronauts Ashley? >Note From A Cold Planet Moorcock >The Welcoming Hands Of Space Ashley? >They've Got Your Number Langton >Mark Of Cain Langton Corridor of Flame CD-R boot >Ode To A Crystal Set Calvert >Time Of Brock? Cosmic Travellers F&R >My Armour's Killing Me Moorcock >Raping Robots In The Street Brock > >FoFP \\joe From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Mon Dec 16 07:32:24 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy C) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:32:24 -0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Solstice in Stonehenge Message-ID: ---------- From: M Holmes Sent: 16 December 1996 12:20 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW/OFF: Solstice in Stonehenge Basically if something happens twelve years running in England it becomes legally a "tradition". In 1985, to prevent this the Conservative government had riot Police escort and then ambush the "Peace Convoy" of various trucks, buses, and other vehicles of people heading towards the Stonehenge festival site. I had no idea it was because of this 12 year rule. How many years had it been running when the clampdown occurred ? 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( J%"HML:0 at Q.# "T6DM,32> M- WP#- >8PM9,38*H.T#8'0%D 5 +2"'"HU("93/ 2%0!:$%0!<^XD,Q`Z!A!M!U00A#_/N(@(!/ 26$W8#:P+Z P8WT\ MT&\ODA/ 00$\<3<'0#OP/R!E+C?/.-X;U*\< M[!MO09!%0VY"0&D-L+M L#\@($U@!" _L6%*D?\PA MM" _3_Q!/O [L$-/_ 46P0!>< `#`! 0``````,`$1 `````0 `',. _- at E- MZ[L!0 `(,. _- at E-Z[L!'@`]``$````%````4D4Z( `````#``TT_3<```U% ` end From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Dec 16 07:40:51 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:40:51 GMT Subject: HW/OFF: Solstice in Stonehenge Message-ID: > > Hi folks, > > I have a nice video tape with HW in Stonehenge in 1984 (that's the HW > connection ;), but what I'd like to know is about the festival itself > and the story how it was banned. Maybe someone here remembers these > events, or maybe someone knows some place in the web where I can read > about it? > > Yuri > The National Trust (a semi-government body who owns much of Britain's ancient buildings) declared one day ('85 I think) that Stonehenge was being damaged by the annual convergeance of hippies on the site and so they banned the festival. When the organisers tried to run the festival anyway the police attacked convoys of travellers making their way there. This led to the infamous 'Battle of the Beanfield' in which trucks and coaches (the traveller's homes) were smashed up by police and travellers were arrested and/or beaten up. From the next year onwards there has been a 3-mile exclusion zone around the site during the solstice in which anyone who looks like they might be trying to get to a festival can be turned back or arrested if they are persistant. If you wear a big white sheet and a pointy hat they might let in as a druid, but don't expect any bands!! bye - Rob From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 16 06:43:09 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 07:43:09 EDT Subject: BOC: BOC in Utica? Message-ID: >> From: Torgo >> > >A local paper is now reporting a BOC gig in Utica, NY on 28 Dec. > >Miniature picture at least shows the current lineup. First I heard > >of the gig. Sounds like a one-off surprise show. > > Hey Theo, where's the gig? What are the details? > Hey Torgo, welcome back from lurkdom! It's at the Rainforest Preserve. Never been there. Youu ever heard of the place/know where it is? >Now get this--it's been at least 5 years since I've seen them, and > >I'm going to be out of town! Don't think I can make it back for the > >show. This is the ultimate in holiday-time depression. > > I also have plans for that evening my friend, so don't feel alone. However, > if I knew the details and location of da show it might start to boil and > fester in my cranium until I cannot live with it anymore, thus blowing off > what I have to do that night and pissing off some people, yet giving myself > a nice gift for this non-specific, all-inclusive, socio-economic season we > have been thrust headlong into once again. Hmmmmmmmm, maybe I'll start > trying to get out my Dec 28 plans now........ > I ckecked over my schedule, and I'm pretty sure I'll be able to make it. But I'm driving back from Cincinnati that day, then on to Utica. But hey, this IS BOC! So right now, it looks like I'm going unless the driving's too hairy. Hear we're getting snow... theo >> From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Dec 16 07:52:51 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 23:52:51 +1100 Subject: HW: Lyrics for LSD Message-ID: On 16 Dec 96 at 13:23, Johan Edlundh wrote: > >The various other Hawkwind tracks which aren't on CD are: > > > > Time Of Brock? > Cosmic Travellers F&R And also the Cleopatra "Space Box" 3CD set Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Mon Dec 16 08:02:40 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:02:40 +0000 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I remember what a relief it was to hear Cultosaurus - particularly Lips in the Hills. I just couldn't see the point of Mirrors at all: it was as if BOC wanted to turn into Cheap Trick. - Mike Godwin From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 16 08:39:15 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:39:15 GMT Subject: HW/OFF: Solstice in Stonehenge In-Reply-To: Andy C's message of Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:32:24 -0000 Message-ID: Andy C writes: > I had no idea it was because of this 12 year rule. How many years had it been running when > the clampdown occurred ? 11 years. FoFP From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 16 08:41:21 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:41:21 GMT Subject: HW: Sonic Assassins EP In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:54:23 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In message <9612121804.aa10062 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge > writes > >If no-one else wants it and its condition is ok then I'll certainly go > >for this! I can pay in $$ if that helps! > > > >jill > > Didn't you get one for me about six months ago, Jill? You *must* have a > copy already! ummm - yes..... so? 8-)) actually I understand that someone else is also chasing this so I'll gladly withdraw my request. Enjoy! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 16 09:46:48 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:46:48 -0500 Subject: OFF:MC5 Message-ID: I picked up the MC5's "Kick out the Jams" about a year ago and was really blown away. You talk about Zepplin, Sabbath, and Deep Purple bein' the start of "heavy metal" - the MC5 beat them all to it! John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 16 09:55:53 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:55:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: Touring next year Message-ID: Eric also recently posted that there are plans in the work for some sort of tour with 2 or 3 other bands this coming year - mostly outdoor venues, I believe. Nothing is confirmed, but he did mention a few of the possible bands. I remember he mentioned Foghat, but the others escape me at the moment. John From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 16 09:03:33 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:03:33 -0400 Subject: BOC: Touring next year Message-ID: > > From: John A Swartz > > Eric also recently posted that there are plans in the work for some > sort of tour with 2 or 3 other bands this coming year - mostly outdoor > venues, I believe. Nothing is confirmed, but he did mention a few > of the possible bands. I remember he mentioned Foghat, but the others > escape me at the moment. > > John Hell, I don't care if it's the Bay City Rollers, long as I get to see BOC this year! theo From ABrevard at SHL.COM Mon Dec 16 11:04:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:04:00 -0600 Subject: BOC: Utica Show Message-ID: The lamentations of those that cannot attend the Utica show is understood; I cannot begin to count the number of great shows I have missed because of family commitments, work and circumstances. Still to entice you to make the effort to this gig here are a couple of reasons to try and make it: 1. Spend an evening with Buck Dharma on vox. At Jaxx Buck sang evrything as Eric was still resting his voice. Makes for some strange versions to classic BOC songs. 2. Unlike the list brethren in Atlanta I got three songs from the new album, well 2.25 as they have been playing Harvest Moon forever. Still they also played Live 4 You and X-ray eyes. With this limited number of shows maybe they play a few more of the newbies to work out the kinks between studio and live versions. 3. So close to New Years you might hear D&S. Anyway, wish you guys luck with your logistics. Love Al+s explanation on CBS and Mirrors. In a perfect world a record company would ask that bands remain -true to themselves and their fans with their music- as ooppossed to go out there and make us rich.- Final AOL Chat question, did the band mention any plans for touring Europe to promote the album, i.e., is the German record company also promoting the effort. Easy to just let someone record in your studio, promotion is another phase. Merry X-mas Manuel and Jean, the tape at last and BoH, now all you need is six inches of snow. Good things come to good people who wait. Thanks for the patience. lil+ ab "And the sounds of truth ring hollow in this pretense world of show and the footlights burn their pathways as the profits come and go and the seeming some - day singer lives the Carney Barker+s dream selling all by saying nothing in the language of a scream" From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 16 10:44:24 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 23:44:24 +0800 Subject: HW: Francis Bacon? Message-ID: > I dunno about that one. Could be a stretch. Distinctive, but maybe it is an > established phrase... > That reminds me, I was reading Burroughs' "Nova Express" the other day, and > in the beginning it mentioned (along w/the orgones/Reich, as already > mentioned) Hassan I Sabha. So there's another HW/Burrough's connection...I > don't think anyone mentioned that one yet. Calvert may have > picked all this stuff > up from reading Burroughs... > > Chuck > I heard an interview with Calvert on an Australian radio station many, many years ago (for all you Australians, it was called DoubleJ at the time). In the interview he spoke of the meaning of the title Hassan I Sabha. I don't remember the exact details, but he said something about it being old slang for assassin. Although it is possible he found it in Burroughs, it is also an established phrase in some parts of the world. William PS I wonder if copies of that interview exist in the vaults of TripleJ. From debony at CYBERCOM.NET Mon Dec 16 11:34:39 1996 From: debony at CYBERCOM.NET (Antony & Debbie) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 11:34:39 -0500 Subject: HW In-Reply-To: <32B43DDA.50@micron.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 15 Dec 1996, Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > skarsol wrote: > > > > Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > a question-is there an HW chat room on the irc? If so, where to go > > > please? > > > Thanx in advance! > > > Pam > > > > i dont know of one,but when i was on aol,i made one once. it had maybe 5 > > members within 20 minutes.most of whom remembered hw from days gone by, > > and were amazed to hear they were still around. > > i think two of the people only knew hw as "lemmy's old band." > > the thing is,hw tour so infrequently,now and in the past,and the > > promotion has been so pathetic,that hw are really only known by two or > > three types of fans.the ones who were 'inducted',and the ones who > > discovered them thru literary connections. > > i made a hawkwind chatroom on a pub irc once,and the only bites i got > > were people wondering what the heck a hawkwind was.... > > rj > Good point-I guess I was inducted. Hafta admit-I really would havemissed > out had my friend not loaned me the music!! > Thank you tho! > Pam > -- > Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton > _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > 0 0 E-mail: > cwheaton at micron.net > URL:http://netnow.micron.net/~cwheaton > ************************************************************************************ > for some reason i thought i'd reply to this one and tell yas all how i discovered hw: it was a dark stormy night i remember, and i'd been previously examining my brothers record collection. i had discovered woteot there (it turned out it wasn't even his). that night i popped it on my turntable and settled back to bed with the lights out.. well to say the least the album spooked me the first time i heard it! all those clashing cymbals in 'the wizard blew his horn' and all.. it took me a few more listens to get into it, and a few months later i discovered the collection on cd at a cd library i later joined.. from then on it was hw hw hw! collecting :P wal ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peacenik & Dreamflower `For every flower given, another grows inside.' PeacePie Paradise: http://www.cybercom.net/~debony "To wonder at something is to be aware of a wonder." -- M.C. Escher ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 16 10:43:44 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 11:43:44 EDT Subject: OFF:MC5 Message-ID: From: John A Swartz > I picked up the MC5's "Kick out the Jams" about a year ago and was really > blown away. You talk about Zepplin, Sabbath, and Deep Purple bein' the > start of "heavy metal" - the MC5 beat them all to it! > > John Don't forget Jeff Beck's 'Truth' either. And the MC5 beat the Airplane [and went far beyond] as far as rock and politics goes. theo From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon Dec 16 12:20:57 1996 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:20:57 -0700 Subject: HW Message-ID: > > one suggestion: if you really wanted to,i suppose ya could arrange a > meeting with some of the people in here.i mean,it might be cool.on this > list,you have to be careful of what,and how much you post.i mean its not > brutal like a newsgroup would be,but there are guidelines which must be > followed,and post-and-reply is not always satisfying as thoughts and > ideas get lost in the exchange. this is true! > > so if you are really interested,find out who else is interested,decide > on an irc server (or whatever its called),and agree on a time and day. > it could be cool. Yes it could-the problem is that I work some very weird hours and I never know exactly when I get home, or when i go to work!! I'm self employed. > [i don't really know much about irc,as i have only done it a few times. > it is usually very boring,with 70% of it being made up of horny teens > asking "any females in here?",and the rest of them asking "how do i > ....can anyone help a newbie?" =)] rj Boy isn't that the truth!! Is anyone interested?? Keep rockin' Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: In message <32B492B5.5BD at hermitage.ru>, Yuri Elik writes >Hi folks, > >I have a nice video tape with HW in Stonehenge in 1984 (that's the HW >connection ;), but what I'd like to know is about the festival itself >and the story how it was banned. Maybe someone here remembers these >events, or maybe someone knows some place in the web where I can read >about it? > >Yuri It's a very long story. That night was apart from the birth of my kids, the greatest night of my life, so far. Being in retail, though, I've little spare time at the moment, maybe over the holidays. There is a separate video, called Operation Solstice, available fromn Hawkfrendz all about the festival and the illegal destruction of the Convoy, and the civil action case, the longest in British legal history, that it gave rise to. BTW I donated a hundred quid to the making of this film. I think that probably the largest charitable donation *I* ever made. -- Jon Browne From pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU Mon Dec 16 12:42:30 1996 From: pitkin at MARYWOOD1.MARYWOOD.EDU (Bryan Pitkin) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:42:30 E Subject: a couple o' Q Message-ID: A question in two parts: a) the live version of "Shouldn't do that" on "The best of the Psychedelic Warriors" Cleopatra and the "Silver Machine" comp. What is the date on that anyone? Bernhard? b) I asked before when is Dave Brocks birthday anyway...I know Lemmy will be 51 this christmas. What about the other guys Ron, Richard, Alan? peace, bryan pitkin at ac.marywood.edu From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 16 13:14:48 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 18:14:48 GMT Subject: HW: Francis Bacon? In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Mon, 16 Dec 1996 23:44:24 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > > mentioned) Hassan I Sabha. So there's another HW/Burrough's connection...I > > don't think anyone mentioned that one yet. Calvert may have > > picked all this stuff > > up from reading Burroughs... > > > > Chuck > > > I heard an interview with Calvert on an Australian radio station many, > many years ago (for all you Australians, it was called DoubleJ at the > time). In the interview he spoke of the meaning of the title Hassan I > Sabha. I don't remember the exact details, but he said something about > it being old slang for assassin. > Although it is possible he found it in Burroughs, it is also an > established phrase in some parts of the world. just in case this hasn't been posted yet: from an archive file: * Hassan I Sahba - leader of mediaeval Moslem sect known as the Hashishim, or * "assassins", who used hashish to induce an ecstatic state; An Ismaili Shiite grouping founded in the late 11th Century. Their headquarters was in the virtually impregnable castle of Alamut in the Elburz Mountains in Iran they also spread to Syria in the Ansariyya Mountains where they caused big problems for both the crusaders and Saladin. There is a story of them trying to impress someone (French Crusaders I believe) by lining up the faithfull on the walls of the castle and ordering them to jump. The sect was dissolved inthe mid 13th C by the Mongols. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Dec 16 09:13:01 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (skarsol) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:13:01 +0000 Subject: HW Message-ID: Cliff & Pam Wheaton wrote: > > [i don't really know much about irc,as i have only done it a few times. > > it is usually very boring,with 70% of it being made up of horny teens > > asking "any females in here?",and the rest of them asking "how do i > > ....can anyone help a newbie?" =)] rj > Boy isn't that the truth!! > Is anyone interested?? > Keep rockin' > Pam ********************************************************************************** im game,so long as someone else takes care of details. ;) let me know how it turns out, rj From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 16 13:25:41 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 18:25:41 GMT Subject: a couple o' Q In-Reply-To: Bryan Pitkin's message of Mon, 16 Dec 1996 12:42:30 E Message-ID: Bryan Pitkin writes: > A question in two parts: > a) the live version of "Shouldn't do that" on "The best of the Psychedelic > Warriors" Cleopatra and the "Silver Machine" comp. > What is the date on that anyone? Bernhard? from the Codex: (it looks like this version is an edited part of the encore that was originally done after the Space Ritual Alive gigs. Date circa 1973 but maybe someone else remembers the exact venue? London? Liverpool?) ********************* You Shouldn't Do That 1 X In Search Of Space 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 L 2 a In The Beginning L 2 a The Text Of Festival L 3 * The Text of Festival LP {Sound Shouldn't Improvise} L 3 * The Text of Festival CD {Improvise, Comprise, Reprise} L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II CD L 4 Acid Daze Vol. III L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP L 4 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 4 Night Riding L 4 The Hawkwind Collection LP L 4 Space Is Deep L 4 a Roadhawks L 4 a Stasis L 4 a (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords L 4 a Silver Machine CD L 4 a Space Ritual Alive [remastered CD only] L 4 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 5 * The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II {Watchfield Festival} L 5 * Acid Daze Vol. II {Watchfield Festival} L 6 Rock City L 7 The Business Trip {Do That} L 8 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] * Two versions of this on Text Of Festival The CD track is misnamed for another track on the album. * 2a is a cut of 2 * On 4-4b You Shouldn't Do That formed the 1st half of a segue with Seeing It As You Really Are as the encore to Space Ritual Alive * 4 is the complete version plus intro * 4a is version 4 with a cut intro * 4b is version 4 with no intro * The Watchfield festival track is a jam based on You Shouldn't Do That > b) I asked before when is Dave Brocks birthday anyway...I know Lemmy will be 51 > this christmas. What about the other guys Ron, Richard, Alan? Brian Tawn has mentioned the year somewhere, I could check this. But the exact date I don't know. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM Mon Dec 16 14:48:50 1996 From: hdboc at 3-CITIES.COM (Jack W. Heffling) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 11:48:50 -0800 Subject: BOC: Touring next year Message-ID: The other bands mentioned were Pat Travers and Steppenwolf. Jack http://j-and-a.com/boc.html At 09:55 12/16/96 -0500, you wrote: >Eric also recently posted that there are plans in the work for some >sort of tour with 2 or 3 other bands this coming year - mostly outdoor >venues, I believe. Nothing is confirmed, but he did mention a few >of the possible bands. I remember he mentioned Foghat, but the others >escape me at the moment. > >John > > From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Mon Dec 16 14:57:08 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:57:08 GMT Subject: HW/OFF: Solstice in Stonehenge Message-ID: > There is a >separate video, called Operation Solstice, available fromn Hawkfrendz >all about the festival and the illegal destruction of the Convoy, and >the civil action case, the longest in British legal history, that it >gave rise to. >BTW I donated a hundred quid to the making of this film. I think that >probably the largest charitable donation *I* ever made. >-- >Jon Browne Well Jon, you've got a round of applause from me (even if you can't hear it!) for such a worthy act!! Operation Solstice is a great video... essential viewing for the naive "police are our friends and protectors" types. Anyone wanting a copy of the video, just e-mail me and we can work something out. It even features a couple of HW tracks! Dave From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 16 13:55:17 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:55:17 EDT Subject: BOC: Touring next year Message-ID: >> From: "Jack W. Heffling" > Subject: Re: BOC: Touring next year > The other bands mentioned were Pat Travers and Steppenwolf. > > Jack > http://j-and-a.com/boc.html > Jeezus, as if sharing a stage with Kansas wasn't bad enough, it IS possible for BOC to sink still lower. Well, maybe they can have a free for all on BTBW? theo {FWIW, Stepenwolf was the first band I ever saw live, back in '67} From stayer at PI.NET Mon Dec 16 10:16:44 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 07:16:44 PST Subject: HW/OFF: Solstice in Stonehenge Message-ID: Yuri said: >I have a nice video tape with HW in Stonehenge in 1984 (that's the HW >connection ;), HW in Stonehenge - why do you need an "OFF" label? "Solstice In Stonehenge" - Summer Solstice or the English band? Jerry From uriah at HERMITAGE.RU Mon Dec 16 15:37:50 1996 From: uriah at HERMITAGE.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 23:37:50 +0300 Subject: HW/OFF: Solstice in Stonehenge Message-ID: Jerry wrote: > HW in Stonehenge - why do you need an "OFF" label? 'Cause I was asking about Solistice festival, not Hawkwind > "Solstice In Stonehenge" - Summer Solstice or the English band? First. I haven't heard that here is a band with this name. What kind of music are they playing? Yuri From debony at CYBERCOM.NET Mon Dec 16 15:41:47 1996 From: debony at CYBERCOM.NET (Antony & Debbie) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:41:47 -0500 Subject: irc server if anyone's interested Message-ID: hi got hold of a private irc server for a hawkwind channel if anyone is interested.. the server has 2 other channels: the lycaeum channel #visionary and the leri channel #leri.. the server is: irc.lycaeum.org, channel: #hawkwind see you there! wal ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peacenik & Dreamflower `For every flower given, another grows inside.' PeacePie Paradise: http://www.cybercom.net/~debony "To wonder at something is to be aware of a wonder." -- M.C. Escher ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Dec 16 15:27:37 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:27:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Lyrics for LSD Message-ID: > >The various other Hawkwind tracks which aren't on CD are: > >Star Song (title unknown from 1990) Wishart >The Blackening Rabbit (1981 tour) Brock? >The Joker Of The Universe Moorcock Has this one a connection to BOC's "The Great Sun Jester"??? -Daniel Wikdahl . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 16 16:15:06 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 16:15:06 -0500 Subject: BOC: Touring next year Message-ID: > The other bands mentioned were Pat Travers and Steppenwolf. > Hopefully, BOC would be the "headliner", but who knows ... Guess BOC won't be re-vamping "Born to be Wild" for the set... Will Buck get invited to jam w/Pat Travers again? I heard something about him trading licks w/Pat (and essentially putting him to shame) on a rendition of "Boom Boom - Out Go The Lights"... John From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Dec 16 17:04:14 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 09:04:14 +1100 Subject: HW: Francis Bacon? Message-ID: On 16 Dec 96 at 23:44, William Duffy wrote: > I heard an interview with Calvert on an Australian radio station > many, many years ago (for all you Australians, it was called DoubleJ > at the time). Interesting ... it was 2JJ in the days it was operating in Pirate mode where I first heard "Robot" on a balmy summer's night ..... Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Dec 16 15:30:43 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:30:43 +0100 Subject: OFF: I'm on the lamb... but I ain't got a sheep... Message-ID: This is the only christmas gift you'll get from me... a cute little sheep. -Daniel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: sheep1.exe Type: application/octet-stream Size: 317088 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From sprawl at COMCAT.COM Mon Dec 16 13:50:39 1996 From: sprawl at COMCAT.COM (RJ) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 18:50:39 +0000 Subject: OFF: this is only a test,do not panic,or even read.:) Message-ID: test test test test pest pest pest rest rest rest.... hi sorry if you read this,it was only a test. yup,my email has changed again.i was rj at skarsol at erols.com. now i am rj at sprawl at comcat.com. rj is a collective lifeform comprised of myself ron jennings,and my wife karyn. see ya round! rj From torgo at NORWICH.NET Mon Dec 16 19:00:53 1996 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Torgo) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:00:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: BOC in Utica? Message-ID: Out from under the rock....... THEO SEZ: >Hey Torgo, welcome back from lurkdom! It's at the Rainforest >Preserve. Never been there. Youu ever heard of the place/know where >it is? Have heard the name and I am sure I have driven by it more times then Allen Lanier has lit up a butt. Damn, I am drawing a blank on today though. Gonna do some digging and asking questions, or I might just take a day trip to Utica-land and see if I can stumble across the damn thing in an act of brilliance. Once I discover the location, I will be sure and post for ya. If I do end up going, it will probably be a last minute thing I am sure. If you see a guy in a RUSH "Counterparts" jersey with a big dopey grin, that might just be me. BTW, what's so bad about Pat Travers? I'm an old Travers fan from way back. A dark and sinister version of Pat's "I'd rather see you Dead", complete with eerie undertones and a spooky beat would make a great BOC cover BTW. Moo Hoo Ha ha ha ha ha.......... Back under the rock...... Torgo has left the building...... torgo at norwich.net ******************************************************************* Plus ca change, Plus c'est la meme chose ******************************************************************* From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Dec 16 18:48:42 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 23:48:42 UT Subject: HW: Lyrics for LSD Message-ID: Daniel asks >>The Joker Of The Universe Moorcock > >Has this one a connection to BOC's "The Great Sun Jester"??? Yes - the BOC song is basically MM's poem put to music. Like "Black Blade". (See the BOC FAQ. :) - Andy From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Dec 16 19:35:19 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:35:19 -0500 Subject: BOC in Utica! In-Reply-To: from "Troy Harris" at Dec 15, 96 11:35:45 pm Message-ID: Troy Harris writes: > > Manuel, > > > Congratulations on getting Theo's tapes. Thus ends another great BOC-L saga - I'm going to miss getting the weekly updates on it. Could you post something about it from time to time, just for the sake of nostalgia? ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From imaginos at FURBALL.SLIME.ORG Mon Dec 16 19:37:38 1996 From: imaginos at FURBALL.SLIME.ORG (Imaginos) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 19:37:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: Daniel's Gift Message-ID: >Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:30:43 +0100 >From: Daniel Wikdahl >Subject: OFF: I'm on the lamb... but I ain't got a sheep... >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="Boundary (ID >fWy4OwC4KOnYzFPdTzFqTQ)" > >--Boundary (ID fWy4OwC4KOnYzFPdTzFqTQ) >Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >This is the only christmas gift you'll get from me... a cute little sheep. > > -Daniel Daniel, Please don't sent a complete executable PC file to the entire mailing list! What a waste of space. Would you like to tell me how to run it on my Mac? My UNIX box? -Grant imaginos at furball.slime.org From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Dec 16 19:44:56 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 17:44:56 -0700 Subject: BOC: Touring next year In-Reply-To: <1EF48D675A7@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > > > From: John A Swartz > > > > Eric also recently posted that there are plans in the work for some > > sort of tour with 2 or 3 other bands this coming year - mostly outdoor > > venues, I believe. Nothing is confirmed, but he did mention a few > > of the possible bands. I remember he mentioned Foghat, but the others > > escape me at the moment. > > > > John > > Hell, I don't care if it's the Bay City Rollers, long as I get to see > BOC this year! > theo > Gentlemen; I was recently on Foghat's home page and here's what is planned for 1997. Four bands on the bill; B.O.C., Foghat, Steppenwolf, and Pat travers!!! I don't know who will headline or if that slot will rotate from show to show. BOC will have the new disc out in March, and Foghat will be relea- sing Foghat Live II in the Spring as well. The tour is scheduled to begin in March or April. Hope this helps... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Dec 16 19:44:56 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 11:44:56 +1100 Subject: OFF: Daniel's Gift Message-ID: On 16 Dec 96 at 19:37, Imaginos wrote: > >This is the only christmas gift you'll get from me... a cute little > >sheep. > > > > -Daniel > > Daniel, > > Please don't sent a complete executable PC file to the entire > mailing list! What a waste of space. Would you like to tell me how > to run it on my Mac? My UNIX box? Anyway ... the UFO hardly ever abducts the poor thing anyway ;^) Seriously, Grant is right ... some people don't appreciate this sort of thing on a mailing list - much better to post about it and get people to email you privately if they want a copy! Paul (PS: I liked it!) -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Dec 16 19:52:33 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 17:52:33 -0700 Subject: BOC in Utica! In-Reply-To: <19961217003519.12177.qmail@mindvox.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Stephen Swann wrote: > Troy Harris writes: > > > > Manuel, > > > > > > Congratulations on getting Theo's tapes. > > Thus ends another great BOC-L saga - I'm going to miss getting the > weekly updates on it. Could you post something about it from time to > time, just for the sake of nostalgia? ;-) > > Steve > swann at panix.com > Steve; Sure!! Just do some trading with me and watch me become inpatient after a week or two after I send a package off!! I'm not reallt a high strung person, but man, do I love getting my live tapes, ect. in the mail!! I remember when I first ordered the 1st Brain Surgeon CD and it took 3 months to get it. Hell, Albert EVEN called my house to apopolgize for the delay. I was at work, but my wife (now ex-wife) spoke to him for 15-20 minutes. I guess that worked out fine , as for i would have just studdered for 15 minutes anyways. What were we talking about?? Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Dec 16 23:39:36 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 23:39:36 -0500 Subject: OFF: Daniel's "Gift" In-Reply-To: <1361357407-16349005@furball.slime.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Imaginos wrote: > Please don't sent a complete executable PC file to the entire mailing > list! What a waste of space. Would you like to tell me how to run it on > my Mac? My UNIX box? You mean someone is actually going to be daft enough to run a completely unknown e-mailed .EXE file on their PC anyway?!?!? (Can anyone say "virus-laden trojan horse?";) I agree, Grant. Sending an off-topic 400K+ attachment to a mailing list is a pretty brain-dead idea. I guess Christmas does funny things to people... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Daevid Allen and Kramer, _Who's Afraid?_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From sprawl at COMCAT.COM Mon Dec 16 20:07:59 1996 From: sprawl at COMCAT.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 01:07:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: Daniel's "Gift" Message-ID: Paul Mather wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Imaginos wrote: > > > Please don't sent a complete executable PC file to the entire mailing > > list! What a waste of space. Would you like to tell me how to run it on > > my Mac? My UNIX box? > > You mean someone is actually going to be daft enough to run a completely > unknown e-mailed .EXE file on their PC anyway?!?!? (Can anyone say > "virus-laden trojan horse?";) > > I agree, Grant. Sending an off-topic 400K+ attachment to a mailing list > is a pretty brain-dead idea. I guess Christmas does funny things to > people... > > Cheers, > > Paul. gee,i guess this all ocurred during the 1 hour interval where i was between providers.well at least some good came out of the change.;) chances are i'll have another new provider in a couple of days. if anyone is going to mail anything like this,e-mail me first,and if no response,fire away! ;) rj From stayer at PI.NET Mon Dec 16 23:08:28 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 20:08:28 PST Subject: BOC: Touring next year Message-ID: John said: >Eric also recently posted that there are plans in the work for some >sort of tour with 2 or 3 other bands this coming year - mostly outdoor >venues, I believe. Nothing is confirmed, but he did mention a few >of the possible bands. I remember he mentioned Foghat, but the others >escape me at the moment. Can someone ask him about possible plans to play in Europe?! Jerry From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Dec 17 02:11:16 1996 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 00:11:16 -0700 Subject: irc server if anyone's interested Message-ID: Antony & Debbie wrote: > > hi > got hold of a private irc server for a hawkwind channel if anyone is > interested.. the server has 2 other channels: the lycaeum channel > #visionary and the leri channel #leri.. > the server is: irc.lycaeum.org, channel: #hawkwind > > see you there! > wal Hi! I hope theres some latenix on-I'll be there too!! Probably pretty late-I get done with work about midnite or so!! Pam > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace On 16-DEC-1996 12:32:16.8 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 ><32B3512A.779D at erols.com> <32B43DDA.50 at micron.net> ><32B40A61.5029 at erols.com> >> >> one suggestion: if you really wanted to,i suppose ya could arrange a >> meeting with some of the people in here.i mean,it might be cool.on >this > list,you have to be careful of what,and how much you post.i >mean its not > brutal like a newsgroup would be,but there are >guidelines which must be > followed,and post-and-reply is not always >satisfying as thoughts and > ideas get lost in the exchange. >this is true! >> >> so if you are really interested,find out who else is interested,decide >> on an irc server (or whatever its called),and agree on a time and day. >> it could be cool. >Yes it could-the problem is that I work some very weird hours and I >never know exactly when I get home, or when i go to work!! I'm self >employed. >> [i don't really know much about irc,as i have only done it a few >times. > it is usually very boring,with 70% of it being made up of >horny teens > asking "any females in here?",and the rest of them >asking "how do i > ....can anyone help a newbie?" =)] rj >Boy isn't that the truth!! >Is anyone interested?? >Keep rockin' >Pam I certainly am, if we can agree on a planned time. 'Twould be a blast, I think... Best time for me would be late, say 10 pm and on...Pacific time. Chuck `[1;36;44mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Dec 17 02:56:45 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 02:56:45 -0500 Subject: a couple o' Q Message-ID: On 16-DEC-1996 13:33:37.6 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Bryan Pitkin writes: >> A question in two parts: >> a) the live version of "Shouldn't do that" on "The best of the >Psychedelic > Warriors" Cleopatra and the "Silver Machine" comp. >> What is the date on that anyone? Bernhard? >from the Codex: >(it looks like this version is an edited part of the encore that was >originally done after the Space Ritual Alive gigs. Date circa 1973 but >maybe someone else remembers the exact venue? London? Liverpool?) >********************* >You Shouldn't Do That >1 X In Search Of Space >1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] >L 2 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 >L 2 a In The Beginning >L 2 a The Text Of Festival >L 3 * The Text of Festival LP {Sound Shouldn't Improvise} >L 3 * The Text of Festival CD {Improvise, Comprise, Reprise} >L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II CD >L 4 Acid Daze Vol. III >L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP >L 4 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind >L 4 Night Riding >L 4 The Hawkwind Collection LP >L 4 Space Is Deep >L 4 a Roadhawks >L 4 a Stasis >L 4 a (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords >L 4 a Silver Machine CD >L 4 a Space Ritual Alive [remastered CD only] >L 4 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] >L 5 * The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II {Watchfield Festival} >L 5 * Acid Daze Vol. II {Watchfield Festival} >L 6 Rock City >L 7 The Business Trip {Do That} >L 8 Timeless Paens From The Ongoing Rituals of Space [bootleg CD] >* Two versions of this on Text Of Festival >The CD track is misnamed for another track on the album. >* 2a is a cut of 2 >* On 4-4b You Shouldn't Do That formed the 1st half of a segue >with Seeing It As You Really Are as the encore to Space Ritual Aliv >e >* 4 is the complete version plus intro >* 4a is version 4 with a cut intro >* 4b is version 4 with no intro >* The Watchfield festival track is a jam based on You Shouldn't >Do That >> b) I asked before when is Dave Brocks birthday anyway...I know Lemmy >will b e 51 >> this christmas. What about the other guys Ron, Richard, Alan? >Brian Tawn has mentioned the year somewhere, I could check this. But >the exact date I don't know. >cheers >jill >======================================================================== >J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk >ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk >------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wait, wait, wait. I was SO sure that the version on Silver Machine was a different performance (though it is quite similar) than Roadhawks, et al. . Are we absolutely positive it's the same date?? Chuck `[1;30;47mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Dec 17 03:49:39 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 09:49:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: Daniel's "Gift" Message-ID: >> Please don't sent a complete executable PC file to the entire mailing >> list! What a waste of space. Would you like to tell me how to run it on >> my Mac? My UNIX box? > Paul writes; >You mean someone is actually going to be daft enough to run a completely >unknown e-mailed .EXE file on their PC anyway?!?!? (Can anyone say >"virus-laden trojan horse?";) > >I agree, Grant. Sending an off-topic 400K+ attachment to a mailing list >is a pretty brain-dead idea. I guess Christmas does funny things to >people... > Sorry... I agree it was a pretty stupid thing to do... I'm sorry... me and my classmates was doing some late work here at the university and we all had about five-six sheeps running around on the screens... it looked so funny that I felt I had to share this outstanding experience (!) with somebodyelse... BOC-l was not a good idea, I agree... I know a lot of you are connected to the net via modem and don't want to have lots of crap-mail in your box, but I did't think of that when mailing... But I hope :-) the sheep isn't a virus 'cause if that's the case then the whole university is infected by now... it's sheeps everywhere (not my fault :-)... Again... my apologies... your humble shepard -Daniel Wikdahl ps ...and somebody wondered why they call us Swedes... ;-) ds "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Dec 16 13:21:27 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 18:21:27 +0000 Subject: HW: Francis Bacon? In-Reply-To: <32B56E58.48B9@iinet.net.au> Message-ID: In message <32B56E58.48B9 at iinet.net.au>, William Duffy writes >> >I heard an interview with Calvert on an Australian radio station many, >many years ago (for all you Australians, it was called DoubleJ at the >time). In the interview he spoke of the meaning of the title Hassan I >Sabha. I don't remember the exact details, but he said something about >it being old slang for assassin. >Although it is possible he found it in Burroughs, it is also an >established phrase in some parts of the world. > >William > >PS I wonder if copies of that interview exist in the vaults of TripleJ. VERY breifly (I *will* do a biog. at some stage soon.) Hassan I Sahba was the leader of the Hashishim from where we get the words both "assassin" and "hashish". A cult of assassins who ol' Hass used to load the recruits up on dope so they passed out. They'd wake up in his gardens with all manner of delights on hand including beautiful handmaidens to cater for their every whim. 3 days later, they'd be brought back and wake up back in the regular castle. Hass would tell them he had shown them heaven/the afterlife. Incredibly loyal, they were, after that, and had no fear of death. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Dec 16 13:11:44 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 18:11:44 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Solstice in Stonehenge In-Reply-To: <9612161220.aa17852@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9612161220.aa17852 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >Pictures were subsequently available of Riot Police gone mad and >breaking windows and clubbing people from the vans. In one notorious >piece of film a policeman is clearly seen clubbing a pregnant woman to >the ground. Various long-running Court cases were spawned by this event. > Before clubbing her to the ground, he smashed the windscreen of her vehicle and pulled her through it by her hair. He stood up in court and said he'd do it again. He's been promoted to inspector now. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Dec 16 13:13:10 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 18:13:10 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Solstice in Stonehenge In-Reply-To: <01BBEB4D.32CAC7E0@snowflake.mcs.dundee.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <01BBEB4D.32CAC7E0 at snowflake.mcs.dundee.ac.uk>, Andy C writes >I had no idea it was because of this 12 year rule. How many years had it been >running when >the clampdown occurred ? > Have a guess. This would have been the tweleth, protecting the festival under "law". -- Jon Browne From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Dec 17 04:45:00 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 09:45:00 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Solstice in Stonehenge In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's mail of Mon, 16 Dec 96 18:13 +0000 Message-ID: I have heard that this 12 year law does not in fact exist. Of course, this could be deliberate misinformation on the part of the authorities. (Also, I think that the first time I heard this story I was told 13 years, not 12). Dave. On 16 Dec 18:13, Jon Browne wrote: > In message <01BBEB4D.32CAC7E0 at snowflake.mcs.dundee.ac.uk>, Andy C > writes > >I had no idea it was because of this 12 year rule. How many years had it been > >running when > >the clampdown occurred ? > > > Have a guess. This would have been the tweleth, protecting the festival > under "law". > -- > Jon Browne -- Harlequin Ltd., Technology Transfer Centre, King's Buildings, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3JL, UK. Tel: +44 131 668 1564 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Dec 17 04:51:30 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 10:51:30 +0100 Subject: BOC: Touring next year Message-ID: >John said: >>Eric also recently posted that there are plans in the work for some >>sort of tour with 2 or 3 other bands this coming year - mostly outdoor >>venues, I believe. Nothing is confirmed, but he did mention a few >>of the possible bands. I remember he mentioned Foghat, but the others >>escape me at the moment. > Jerry writes; >Can someone ask him about possible plans to play in Europe?! > >Jerry > This leads to another Q... what happened to last year's Europe tour? I recall there was some rumours going on that they were going to play some Scandinavian dates!?! Did they play Europe at all? I don't now why but Greece comes to my mind... -Daniel Wikdahl . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Dec 17 05:04:33 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 11:04:33 +0100 Subject: OFF: Daniel's Gift Message-ID: Paul G ward wrote; > >Anyway ... the UFO hardly ever abducts the poor thing anyway ;^) > Hey... it just did that on my screen... I have never seen that before... gosh, did that make me happy or what!?!? :-) He can also become a flaming comet which flies across the screen and dives into a bath-tub... it's even funnier than the UFO... :-) -Daniel ps Does anybody know other versions of this kind of "Screenmates" please mail me private ds "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Dec 17 05:21:07 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 11:21:07 +0100 Subject: BOC: Touring next year Message-ID: >Jerry writes; >>Can someone ask him about possible plans to play in Europe?! >> >>Jerry >> > Then I wrote; > This leads to another Q... what happened to last year's Europe tour? >I recall there was some rumours going on that they were going to play some >Scandinavian dates!?! Did they play Europe at all? I don't now why but >Greece comes to my mind... > Gah, how stupid can one be... sorry Jerry I didn't think of your BOC-base... I've checked it out right now... but I still wondered why the Scandinavian rumours never become something more than just rumours. -Daniel (with sheeps all over my screen) . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 17 05:24:41 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 10:24:41 GMT Subject: HW: Lyrics for LSD In-Reply-To: Daniel Wikdahl's message of Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:27:37 +0100 Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl writes: > > > >The various other Hawkwind tracks which aren't on CD are: > > > >Star Song (title unknown from 1990) Wishart > >The Blackening Rabbit (1981 tour) Brock? > >The Joker Of The Universe Moorcock > > Has this one a connection to BOC's "The Great Sun Jester"??? I think so, here are the lyrics: The Joker of the Universe (Moorcock) ==================================== They have killed the great Sun Jester Who danced between the stars They have stripped him of his manhood Signs of Venus and of Mars The cynics left him weeping And the jackals left him torn But the jester reaches out blind hands he can touch the stars no more And he danced for us And he laughed for us And he gave us all he had He was Jesus, he was Jonas He was good and he was bad And he took the stars in his hands And as he scattered them he'd shout "I'm The Joker of The Universe I'm what it's all about!" Now he's dying in his dream And the hard men drag him down They have killed the wild-eyed jester They have killed the Fireclown Now his blind eyes seek the starlight And his fingers seek controls To take him into space again Where he was both young and old The dancers legs are stiffened with pain And they've made him kneel too long And the madness they have driven out They've left him cold and sane He'll never sing his songs again He'll never dance between the stars again He'll never laugh again He'll never dream your songs again He'll never sing his songs again He'll never sing his songs again From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Dec 17 06:02:32 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 12:02:32 +0100 Subject: BOTH: "tGSJ" and "tJotU" Message-ID: I wrote; >> >The Joker Of The Universe Moorcock >> >> Has this one a connection to BOC's "The Great Sun Jester"??? > M Holmes writes; >I think so, here are the lyrics: > > Thanx... looks like the same to me, at least there is no big difference. But if I understands things correctly did HW use this as a poem and not as a song(?). -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 17 06:10:46 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 07:10:46 EDT Subject: HW/OFF: Solstice in Stonehenge Message-ID: >> From: Jon Browne > In message <9612161220.aa17852 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes > writes > >Pictures were subsequently available of Riot Police gone mad and > >breaking windows and clubbing people from the vans. In one notorious > >piece of film a policeman is clearly seen clubbing a pregnant woman to > >the ground. Various long-running Court cases were spawned by this event. > > > Before clubbing her to the ground, he smashed the windscreen of her > vehicle and pulled her through it by her hair. > He stood up in court and said he'd do it again. He's been promoted to > inspector now. > -- > Jon Browne ...And transferred to L.A., I believe... theo From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 17 07:21:21 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 12:21:21 GMT Subject: BOTH: "tGSJ" and "tJotU" In-Reply-To: Daniel Wikdahl's message of Tue, 17 Dec 1996 12:02:32 +0100 Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl writes: > Thanx... looks like the same to me, at least there is no big difference. > But if I understands things correctly did HW use this as a poem and not as a > song(?). Yes, it was a poem at one of the late 80's Hammersmith gigs. FoFP From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 17 04:37:39 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 09:37:39 +0000 Subject: OFF: I'm on the lamb... but I ain't got a sheep... In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961216203043.0094a500@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: In message <1.5.4.32.19961216203043.0094a500 at mailbox.mc.hik.se>, Daniel Wikdahl writes >This is the only christmas gift you'll get from me... a cute little sheep. > > -Daniel > > >[ A MIME application / octet-stream part was included here. ] > > You nutcase! Thanks for the laugh. -- Jon Browne From sprawl at COMCAT.COM Tue Dec 17 03:53:34 1996 From: sprawl at COMCAT.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 08:53:34 +0000 Subject: HW (irc?) Message-ID: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > > I certainly am, if we can agree on a planned time. 'Twould be a blast, I > think... Best time for me would be late, say 10 pm and on...Pacific time. anytime is usually good for me,i dont bother with sleep much these days. however,due to some provider problems im experiencing,im out of it for the next few days at least. let me know what turns up,anyway.... thanks rj From sprawl at COMCAT.COM Tue Dec 17 03:58:40 1996 From: sprawl at COMCAT.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 08:58:40 +0000 Subject: HW/OFF: Solstice in Stonehenge Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > In message <01BBEB4D.32CAC7E0 at snowflake.mcs.dundee.ac.uk>, Andy C > writes > >I had no idea it was because of this 12 year rule. How many years had it been > >running when > >the clampdown occurred ? > > > Have a guess. This would have been the tweleth, protecting the festival > under "law". > -- > Jon Browne this whole thing is starting to reak of U.S. politics. i guess things are the same all over.... rj From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 17 08:10:12 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:10:12 GMT Subject: a couple o' Q In-Reply-To: HERBERT119@delphi.com's message of Tue, 17 Dec 1996 02:56:45 -0500 Message-ID: HERBERT119 at delphi.com writes: > >L 4 a Silver Machine CD > >L 4 a Space Ritual Alive [remastered CD only] > >L 4 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] > Wait, wait, wait. I was SO sure that the version on Silver Machine was a > different performance (though it is quite similar) than Roadhawks, et al. > . Are we absolutely > positive it's the same date?? > ok - I meant to check this last night but forgot - I'll have a look later. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Tue Dec 17 08:21:15 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:21:15 +1100 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, M R Godwin wrote: > I remember what a relief it was to hear Cultosaurus - particularly Lips in > the Hills. I just couldn't see the point of Mirrors at all: it was as if > BOC wanted to turn into Cheap Trick. > > - Mike Godwin > One reveiwer I read called them the "blue Oyster Cars" and the "Who Oyster Cult" upon hearing Mirrors. Troy From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Tue Dec 17 08:34:35 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 05:34:35 -0800 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? Message-ID: At 12:21 AM 12/18/96 +1100, you wrote: >On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, M R Godwin wrote: > >> I remember what a relief it was to hear Cultosaurus - particularly Lips in >> the Hills. I just couldn't see the point of Mirrors at all: it was as if >> BOC wanted to turn into Cheap Trick. >> >> - Mike Godwin >> > One reveiwer I read called them the "blue Oyster Cars" and the "Who >Oyster Cult" upon hearing Mirrors. Mirrors had two saving graces.. "The Great Sun Jester" and "The Vigil", two of my all time favorites. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "What ever you do, | | < *http://www2.connectnet.com/~jbrooks | take care of your |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | shoes" -- Phish From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 17 08:36:38 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 08:36:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: Touring next year Message-ID: This leads to another Q... what happened to last year's Europe tour? I recall there was some rumours going on that they were going to play some Scandinavian dates!?! Did they play Europe at all? I don't now why but Greece comes to my mind... I forget if it was '95 or '96, but yes, BOC did "tour Europe" - I believe they did 3 or 4 gigs - I *think* London and Paris. Check MilesKB's "On Tour Forever" website -- in the concert section, you can see what their '96 tour schedule was - perhaps the info is there. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 17 08:38:17 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 08:38:17 -0500 Subject: BOC: From the fanclub Message-ID: Just got a message from Miss Melne of the BOC Fan Club - some of it is already known, but I thought I'd post it all in case some of it is of use to you: >> This reply may be to an email you send up to a month-and-a-half ago. Sorry it's taken me so long to return your mail, but I moved from Minneapolis to San Francisco, and had to acquire a new computer. I'm now close to settled and ready to start the next morning final! (at last I hear you all sigh) Along with the next Morning Final will come the offer of the "Back Issue Book" a compilation of the MF issues #1-10 in one big book. So it's gonna be a busy end-of-year! Here's a general overview of news in the Oyster world. The new album--The band has finished recording, and the record will be mixed and released in the early part of 1997. Last I heard it was gonna be perhaps called "Ezikial's Wheel" or something like that. There's a few dates happening around the end of the year, hope you can plan for them if you live near: TOUR DATES: Here is a list of the latest dates. Always call to confirm, as some are only tentative: DECEMBER 27th the Paradox York, PA 28th Utica, N.Y. JANUARY New Year's Eve Union Station Indianapolis IN with Kansas AND: Attention citizens of the midwest and northwest....we are headed your way..some places like Fargo, etc...then Klamath Falls; Longview, WA.; Tacoma. ****************** Happy Holidays! melne John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 17 09:18:04 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 09:18:04 -0500 Subject: BOC: Touring next year Message-ID: Checked the site myself - here was BOC's 1995 European Tour: December 13, 1995 - London, The Forum December 14, 1995 - Paris, Elyss Monmartre December 15, 1995 - Athens, The Rodon Club Decmeber 16, 1995 - Athens, The Rodon Club John From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Tue Dec 17 09:42:48 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 14:42:48 +0000 Subject: BOC: Mirrors - Can You Dance to It? In-Reply-To: <199612171334.FAA09424@smtp.connectnet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Dec 1996, Joseph Brooks wrote: > Mirrors had two saving graces.. "The Great Sun Jester" and "The Vigil", two > of my all time favorites. 'The Sun Jester' is good because it has a Michael Moorcock lyric (based on his 'Fireclown' character, I think). But my favourite Moorcock lyric is 'Veteran of the Psychic Wars' from FoUO and the Heavy Metal soundtrack. 'Black Blade' is pretty sharp, too. - Mike Godwin PS I was at that London date at the Forum. Did anyone on BOC-L get to the Athens gigs? From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Dec 17 10:00:52 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 10:00:52 -0500 Subject: BOTH: OFF: USofA ONLY:Media Play heads up! Message-ID: (did I put enuff filtering keywords up there?) :-) I read in today's paper where Media Play is shutting down about 90 stores across the US (two here in Atlanta) and the liquidation sales start today. I find that there is little in the way of HW/BOC material that I'm looking for, but there are boatloads of other stuff that might be of interest; books, video, s/w, etc. If you have one or two in your area, you might just want to check this out. (At least you might be able to get that Mantovani's Greatest Hits CD for Mom for Christmas at a good price!! -Santa Craig!) Supposedly, next on the block is Incredible Universe (which just opened here last spring!), which also has a large CD section. IU is a division of Radio Shack, which has already put plans in motion to close their McDuff's (I think that's the name) electronic stores down; don't know if they stock CD's or not. Bargain hunters, take note! Craig Shipley (now a proud employee of Siemens-Pyramid Information Systems Services, or SPISS. Obviously, nobody bothered checking the acronym out before making this decision :-\ ). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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RJ: >gee,i guess this all ocurred during the 1 hour interval where i was >between providers.well at least some good came out of the change.;) >chances are i'll have another new provider in a couple of days. >if anyone is going to mail anything like this,e-mail me first,and if no >response,fire away! ;) Hm, I enjoyed it. Well, 400K+ is a bit too much, I agree. But what the hell, I download a hundred messages a day, and I can't be bothered by those 400K+. I can imagine however, that some of you don't agree on this. And, can anyone say "virus shield"? Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Dec 17 10:20:28 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 07:20:28 PST Subject: OFFL: Solstice, a band Message-ID: Jerry asked: >> "Solstice In Stonehenge" - Summer Solstice or the English band? Yuri: >First. I haven't heard that here is a band with this name. What kind of >music are they playing? Progressive rock, but with some Indian influences (one song is called 'Cheyenne'), a fiddle that's used often. Jerry From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Dec 17 11:42:55 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 11:42:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: Combined Age Message-ID: Today I read that the Rolling Stones are going to tour yet again around the US with perhaps a European leg. Their combined age (Jagger + Richards + Watts+ Wood) = 211 How does this compare to the combined age of HW or BOC? Martyn From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 17 11:00:16 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 12:00:16 EDT Subject: OFF: Combined Age Message-ID: From: Martyn White > > Today I read that the Rolling Stones are going to tour > yet again around the US with perhaps a European leg. Their > combined age (Jagger + Richards + Watts+ Wood) = 211 > How does this compare to the combined age of HW or BOC? > > Martyn Guess the bass player doesn't count, eh? Good thing Wyman's gone or the combined age would be edging close to 300. He was by far the oldest member of the band, although the youngest looking. And Woody's young for that group, dragging the total down. I bet if Brian was still alive, and Wyman was added in, they'd be close to 300. BOC doesn't really count under the current lineup, as the rhythm section skews the average age... HW? Not qualified to venture a guess...But which members would you choose? theo From sprawl at COMCAT.COM Tue Dec 17 08:28:14 1996 From: sprawl at COMCAT.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:28:14 +0000 Subject: OFF: Combined Age Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > > Today I read that the Rolling Stones are going to tour > yet again around the US with perhaps a European leg. Their > combined age (Jagger + Richards + Watts+ Wood) = 211 > How does this compare to the combined age of HW or BOC? > > Martyn i guesstimate hw at around 155,im figuring dave at mid 50's richard at late 30's,alan at ealry to mid 30's,and ron at about thirty. and since i have zero idea how many members are currently in boc,and who they are,i cant venture a guess. rj From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Dec 17 13:44:57 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 18:44:57 UT Subject: OFF: Combined Age Message-ID: Well, the combined age of Hawkwind must be about 3,000 (if you include all past members:) (And about 4,000 if you include Turner :)) - Andy From ABrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 17 16:39:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 15:39:00 -0600 Subject: BOC: Covers & Opening Bands Message-ID: Hmmm BOC going to do more geezer festivals this year huh. > Hell, I don't care if it's the Bay City Rollers, long as I get to see > BOC this year! > theo > Hey I think I'd pay money to see this, but only if BCR was the opening act. Call it the "Wrong Way and the Right Way to Rock Tour" Hey save those rocks I was only kidding. Manuel> >Gentlemen; >I was recently on Foghat's home page and here's what is planned for 1997. >Four bands on the bill; B.O.C., Foghat, Steppenwolf, and Pat travers!!! Not a bad lineup for a festival. >I don't know who will headline or if that slot will rotate from show to >show. BOC will have the new disc out in March, and Foghat will be relea- >sing Foghat Live II in the Spring as well. The tour is scheduled to begin >in March or April. Hopefully each will receive equal treatment on the lenght of the set. What's the point of playing five songs with no encore which if I'm not mistaken happened to them last summer. A live Album from Foghat? That should be interesting. The first one was quite good. >BTW, what's so bad about Pat Travers? I'm an old Travers fan from way back. >A dark and sinister version of Pat's "I'd rather see you Dead", complete >with eerie undertones and a spooky beat would make a great BOC cover BTW. >Moo Hoo Ha ha ha ha ha.......... Would sound pretty good. Heck do any cover as long as you begin with a good song. I wonder if Kiss gave any thought to BOC opening for them on their nostalgia tour. Supposedly the other men in black considered newer bands like Stone Temple Pilots and King's X (Paul Stanley is a major fan, though no KX fan could imagine this combo). That would have been fairly cool. Ace F. probably nixed this idea, if it ever came up. Can't have Buck outplaying him yet agian. 8^). If the oysters ever made it mega big again what current band would fit as an opener? lil ab "Someday we'll live amongst the stars and maybe on a ranch on Mars." ob CD - Galactic Cowboys Feel The Rage EP - Mindblowing cover of Kiss' I want You, second only to Pink Cream 69's version of Detroit Rock City. From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Tue Dec 17 12:48:21 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 17:48:21 -0000 Subject: OFF:another provider; another test.new email adr. Message-ID: again,apologies. not only do i have a new provider and address,but new software as well. thanks for your patience. p.s. mutton anyone? ;) rj From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 17 16:11:05 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 17:11:05 EDT Subject: BOC: Covers & Opening Bands Message-ID: >> From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > Hmmm BOC going to do more geezer festivals this year huh. > > > Hell, I don't care if it's the Bay City Rollers, long as I get to see > > BOC this year! > > theo > > > Hey I think I'd pay money to see this, but only if BCR was the opening > act. Call it the "Wrong Way and the Right Way to Rock Tour" Hey save > those rocks I was only kidding. Yeah, and then force BCR to sit in the wings and go to school! > > > >I was recently on Foghat's home page and here's what is planned for 1997. > >Four bands on the bill; B.O.C., Foghat, Steppenwolf, and Pat travers!!! > > Not a bad lineup for a festival. > Not at all, though it really looks like a step down from last year's festival shows with, I think, Styx and Kansas? No commentary here on the quality of music, just the relative market power of the bands, and BOC's perceived relation to various artists. > >I don't know who will headline or if that slot will rotate from show to > >show. BOC will have the new disc out in March, and Foghat will be relea- > >sing Foghat Live II in the Spring as well. The tour is scheduled to begin > >in March or April. > Pat Travers has released albums the last couple years, but on a small label. So I guess he ought to get a shot too? > Hopefully each will receive equal treatment on the lenght of the set. > What's the point of playing five songs with no encore which if I'm not Yeah, as long as it's fair, I wouldn't mind. I saw a concert of Rebel Rock Dinos a couple years back, and they all got a pretty good shot at stage time, though Marshall Tucker headlined over .38 Special, which made no sense at least in terms of past sales... > mistaken happened to them last summer. A live Album from Foghat? That > should be interesting. The first one was quite good. > Manuel, is it the original Foghat lineup? I'd like to hear that one... > I wonder if Kiss gave any thought to BOC opening for them on their > nostalgia tour. Supposedly the other men in black considered newer > bands like Stone Temple Pilots and King's X (Paul Stanley is a major S.T.P. wanted like hell to do the shows, but Scott's drying out got in the way... > fan, though no KX fan could imagine this combo). That would have been > fairly cool. Ace F. probably nixed this idea, if it ever came up. > Can't have Buck outplaying him yet agian. 8^). If the oysters ever made > it mega big again what current band would fit as an opener? > > lil ab > Hard to say, 'cause we'd have to look down the line a couple years. Even in EW sells like wild [dreaming for that!] it would take a year or so [and probably another big record or single] to catapult them back to the top... theo ps Torgo, any news on the Utica gig? From stayer at PI.NET Tue Dec 17 23:52:51 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 20:52:51 PST Subject: BOC: From the fanclub Message-ID: Melne said: >The new album--The band has finished recording, and the record will be >mixed and released in the early part of 1997. Last I heard it was gonna >be perhaps called "Ezikial's Wheel" or something like that. Yes! They're finished recording!!! Ah, this feels good... It's obvious Melne is not subscribed to BOC-L or she would have known the correct spelling of the title. :-) Assuming "Ezekiel" is correct, of course... Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Dec 17 23:47:00 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 20:47:00 PST Subject: BOC: Touring next year Message-ID: Jerry writes; >>>Can someone ask him about possible plans to play in Europe?! Then Daniel wrote: >>This leads to another Q... what happened to last year's Europe tour? >>I recall there was some rumours going on that they were going to play some >>Scandinavian dates!?! Did they play Europe at all? I don't now why but >>Greece comes to my mind... And then Daniel called himself a fool: >Gah, how stupid can one be... sorry Jerry I didn't think of your >BOC-base... I've checked it out right now... but I still wondered why the >Scandinavian rumours never become something more than just rumours. Hey, I'm hoping with you! If BOC are going to play in Scandinavia, they will not skip some German dates, I guess... >"Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) What's the English translation for this, btw. Something about a parrot and a destination? Wild guess! Jerry From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Dec 17 18:47:44 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 16:47:44 -0700 Subject: BOC: Touring next year In-Reply-To: <199612171336.IAA01491@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Dec 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > This leads to another Q... what happened to last year's Europe tour? > I recall there was some rumours going on that they were going to play some > Scandinavian dates!?! Did they play Europe at all? I don't now why but > Greece comes to my mind... > > > I forget if it was '95 or '96, but yes, BOC did "tour Europe" - I believe > they did 3 or 4 gigs - I *think* London and Paris. Check MilesKB's > "On Tour Forever" website -- in the concert section, you can see what > their '96 tour schedule was - perhaps the info is there. > > John > 96 " TOUR " DATES WERE; 12/13 London 12/14 Paris 12/15 & 16 Athens Hope this helps... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Dec 17 18:53:37 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 16:53:37 -0700 Subject: Correction; In-Reply-To: <20E6A1759BD@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Gentlemen; Correction; tour dates for Europe are for 1995, not 1996. Sorry.... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Dec 17 19:05:28 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 17:05:28 -0700 Subject: Off; Pat Travers In-Reply-To: <20E6A1759BD@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Gentlemen (and ladies); Some of you were discussing the line-up for next year's tour with BOC, Foghat, Steppenwolf, and Pat Travers. Well, in case anyone is intrested, Pat Travers is alive and well in the music business. He has released 5 CDs in the past 5 years, all new material or blues covers. All the discs have been released on Blues Bureau (M. Varney's label) and all are EXCELLENT and worth getting!! He tours regularly, doing the club thing on the weekends and enjoying life with his wife and 2 kids in Florida. He is in very good health and no longer drinks. If he comes to your town, I strongly recommend that you check it out. PT Discography 1992 Blues Tracks 1993 Just A Touch 1994 Blues Magnet 1995 Halfway to Somewhere 1996 Lookin' Up Manuel... Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 18 08:09:26 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 13:09:26 GMT Subject: HW: You Shouldn't Do variations In-Reply-To: HERBERT119@delphi.com's message of Tue, 17 Dec 1996 02:56:45 -0500 Message-ID: HERBERT119 at delphi.com writes: > >L 4 a Roadhawks > >L 4 a Stasis > >L 4 a (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords > >L 4 a Silver Machine CD > >L 4 a Space Ritual Alive [remastered CD only] > >L 4 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] > Wait, wait, wait. I was SO sure that the version on Silver Machine was a > different performance (though it is quite similar) than Roadhawks, et al. > . Are we absolutely > positive it's the same date?? I *know* everyone is waiting with bated breath for the outcome of this.... 8-) Sadly the Xmas spirits (several) are getting in the way but I had time for a quick run-through and comparison last night. It would appear you are indeed half-right 8-). From what I can tell, the Silver Machine track appears to be a composite made up from two separate tapes. The first 3 minutes or so (up to the end of the vocals) is identical (intro, feedback howl etc) to the other versions but immediately the vocals end then the Silver Machine one diverges into some quite different version ending up with applause rather than the burbles audible on Roadhawks etc. {well, that's what it sounds like!} I wonder...... As I write this - Silver Machine the CD is a semi-legit isn't it? Or is it? I can't remember exactly - but what if the version of You Shouldn't Do That on the Silver Machine CD is the *full* original version and the one on *Roadhawks* etc. is an edited version from two different shows? The Roadhawks version certainly sounds better and it would make sense for Brock to put the best bits of different recordings together. And I think all the other versions have been lifted from Roadhawks (to judge by the burbles) - or at least the master tapes. Just a thought. I'll explore further - but it could take a while. Any other suggestions? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 18 09:00:40 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 09:00:40 -0500 Subject: BOC: Utica show, can someone help? Message-ID: This guy's looking for info on the Utica show. I think one or 2 listmembers mentioned that they were going. Could one of you e-mail this guy and give him the relevant info? Thanks, John His message follows: From: CharlesDelaware Tate Subject: BOC in Utica To: John Swartz , "therm at connectnet.com therm at connectnet.com" , Sheba Storm Message-ID: <199612172038_MC1-D3C-4FEA at compuserve.com> Status: R John: Hey whats up?, I will be in Fort Lee,N.J for Xmas and new years and I pl an to go see BOC in Utica on the 28th. All I want for XMAS this year is to see BOC perform "Harvest Moon" in Utica. Can you help to make my Xmas wish come tru e please?, I will be grateful if you could send me any info about the Utica show From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Dec 18 21:10:09 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 21:10:09 -0500 Subject: HW: You Shouldn't Do variations Message-ID: On 18-DEC-1996 08:13:14.8 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >HERBERT119 at delphi.com writes: >> >L 4 a Roadhawks >> >L 4 a Stasis >> >L 4 a (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords >> >L 4 a Silver Machine CD >> >L 4 a Space Ritual Alive [remastered CD only] >> >L 4 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle >Communications] >> Wait, wait, wait. I was SO sure that the version on Silver Machine >was a > different performance (though it is quite similar) than >Roadhawks, et al. > . Are we absolutely >> positive it's the same date?? >I *know* everyone is waiting with bated breath for the outcome of >this.... 8-) _I_ was! Sadly the Xmas spirits (several) are getting in the >way but I had time for a quick run-through and comparison last night. >It would appear you are indeed half-right 8-). From what I can tell, the >Silver Machine track appears to be a composite made up from two separate >tapes. The first 3 minutes or so (up to the end of the vocals) is >identical (intro, feedback howl etc) to the other versions I noticed that, but I figured they just had that rehearsed and managed to do an almost identical take, and assuming they were just a couple nights apart... I figured it was a different take because of some different sounding synth/generator, but it seems like everytime this version shows up, it's a slightly different mix... but >immediately the vocals end then the Silver Machine one diverges into >some quite different version ending up with applause rather than the >burbles audible on Roadhawks etc. {well, that's what it sounds like!} >I wonder...... >As I write this - Silver Machine the CD is a semi-legit isn't it? Or >is it? I can't remember exactly - but what if the version of You >Shouldn't Do That on the Silver Machine CD is the *full* original >version and the one on *Roadhawks* etc. is an edited version from two >different shows? The Roadhawks version certainly sounds better and >it would make sense for Brock to put the best bits of different >recordings together. And I think all the other versions have been >lifted from Roadhawks (to judge by the burbles) - or at least the >master tapes. >Just a thought. >I'll explore further - but it could take a while. Any other >suggestions? >jill Maybe you have something there, though I'd like to think they use a song completely. Segueing tracks is one thing...but different takes? Hmmm.... Well, Jill, now I'm just more confused than ever, but thanks anyway... :) Chuck `[1;36;46mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM Wed Dec 18 22:21:30 1996 From: ir004728 at MINDSPRING.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 22:21:30 -0500 Subject: BOC in Utica! Message-ID: Manuel wrote: >I remember when I first ordered the 1st Brain Surgeon CD and it took 3 >months to get it. Hell, Albert EVEN called my house to apopolgize for >the delay. I was at work, but my wife (now ex-wife) spoke to him for >15-20 minutes. I guess that worked out fine , as for i would have just >studdered for 15 minutes anyways. What were we talking about?? Every time I heard that "where's my tape" rant I was ROTFL. I guess you can tell we've (cellsum)gotten out mail order thing more together nowadays. We don't advertise ANYTHING until we're ready to deliver! -FYI Al From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Dec 19 04:25:46 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:25:46 +0000 Subject: HW: You Shouldn't Do variations In-Reply-To: <9612181309.aa12192@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9612181309.aa12192 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >I'll explore further - but it could take a while. Interesting. I wonder why it's taken so long for anyone to notice! -- Jon Browne From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Thu Dec 19 05:14:18 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 10:14:18 -0000 Subject: BOC-L farewell(?) Message-ID: Well, The end of the year approaches (tomorrow is my last day) and I start a new job in the New Year. Unfortunately, as I will be working for an Internet provider it may no longer be possible for me subscribe to mailing lists. In the event that this is the case (hopefully it will not be!) many thanks for the information and entertaining discussions over the last few months. Merry Christmas, Happy New year. Mike P From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Dec 19 05:49:14 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 21:49:14 +1100 Subject: BOC-L farewell(?) In-Reply-To: <01BBED95.662177C0@dhcp-14.dhcp.tadpole.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Dec 1996, Mike Parkington wrote: > Well, > > The end of the year approaches (tomorrow is my last day) and I start a new > job in the New Year. Unfortunately, as I will be working for an Internet > provider it may no longer be possible for me subscribe to mailing lists. > > In the event that this is the case (hopefully it will not be!) many thanks > for the information and entertaining discussions over the last few months. > > Merry Christmas, Happy New year. > > Mike P > Hey Mike, I hope you can stay on. You would be sorely missed. Anyway, if you can't, keep in touch, and I may be able to keep you informed on any important issues, like when Theo gets tapes out. :) Merry Xmas, and long live HHL. Troy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 19 09:59:13 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:59:13 -0500 Subject: BOC, BRAIN: Album similarities. Message-ID: I was recently looking over the BOC Goldmine article (for more chestnuts for the FAQ), and some of the descriptions of the first BOC albums made me think about the tBS albums. There seems to me to be an interesting parallel between the first 3 BOC and first 3 tBS albums. For those of you that have all 6 albums, consider the following: Blue Oyster Cult (1st album) -- A somewhat eclectic blend of musical styles, ranging from hard rock (Transmaniacon MC, Stairway to the Stars) to psychadelic/jazz (Last Days of May) to country (Redeemed), to heavy metal (Cities on Flame) to the weird (She's as Beautiful as a Foot). Eponymous -- A somewhat eclectic blend of musical styles, ranging from heavy rock (Name Your Monster, Time Will Take Care of You), to soul/funk (Soul Jive), to folksy (Language of Love) to techno (Brain From Terra Incognita) to the weird (Devil Got Your Mother, Mad Dude). Tyranny and Mutation -- Often thought of on this list (and elsewhere) as the genesis of speed metal. One of the hard-hitting albums from the 70's with some of BOC's most kick-ass stuff. Trepanation -- The Brain Surgeons' "heaviest" of the 3. Very true to their live sound, and lots of heavy guitars and drums. Secret Treaties -- A bit more eclectic than Tyranny, but not as much as BOC. More emotion and content than the previous 2, but still overall. Some of BOC's most popular tunes even to this day are on this album. Box of Hammers -- More eclectic than Trepanation, possibly not quite as much as Eponymous. More emotion and content than the previous 2, but still heavy overall (which is what I *meant* to say above about Secret Treaties). Remains to be seen if tBS's most popular tunes in the future will be from BoH, but I think it's a good bet... Comments? John From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Thu Dec 19 11:10:18 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 10:10:18 -0600 Subject: BOC-L farewell(?) In-Reply-To: <01BBED95.662177C0@dhcp-14.dhcp.tadpole.co.uk> from "Mike Parkington" at Dec 19, 96 10:14:18 am Message-ID: > Well, > The end of the year approaches (tomorrow is my last day) and I start a new > job in the New Year. Unfortunately, as I will be working for an Internet > provider it may no longer be possible for me subscribe to mailing lists. > > In the event that this is the case (hopefully it will not be!) many thanks > for the information and entertaining discussions over the last few months. > > Merry Christmas, Happy New year. > > Mike P Happy holidays to you too! Stay safe. Don't let this happen to you! Twas the night before Christmas And all through the place, The cops busted in With big cans of mace. The stockings were hung All stuffed with our stash, The one on the left Was packed tight with hash. My old lady in here nightie And me in the buff We'd just started kissing And touching and stuff. When what to our bloodshot Eyes did appear? A Big Old Fat Shit! With flying reindeer! ... I sure wish I could remember the rest of this, but, ahh, umm, what were we talking about? ;-} Peace and Love to all! -- "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." - Albert Einstein Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6982 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Dec 19 13:29:02 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 19:29:02 +0100 Subject: BOC: Covers & Opening Bands Message-ID: Adrian writes; >... though no KX fan could imagine this combo). That would have been >fairly cool. Ace F. probably nixed this idea, if it ever came up. >Can't have Buck outplaying him yet agian. 8^). If the oysters ever made >it mega big again what current band would fit as an opener? Ha, that was an easy one to answer. Hawkwind is the band of course! ;-) -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From artefact at IMAGINET.FR Thu Dec 19 13:50:34 1996 From: artefact at IMAGINET.FR (Alex S. Garcia) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 19:50:34 +0100 Subject: OFF: Season's Greetings Message-ID: Well folks, I'm leaving for two weeks - gonna spend the holidays with my family in Denver. Too bad tBS won't be playing there... maybe a BOC show ? no ? Probably not. Anyway, since I'm leaving tomorrow, I just wanted to wish you all a Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year. I'll be back on January 6. See you next year ! ;-) Alex S. Garcia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Become a Patternwalker ! Visit Corwin's Pattern... http://members.tripod.com/~Mandor/ (with links to the Icarus Encyclopedia, Artefact, Rock In Progress, Slash and more to come...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Dec 19 14:16:38 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:16:38 -0500 Subject: OFF: Season's Greetings Message-ID: Its been very quiet around here for the last couple of days, so I suppose many people have migrated for their holidays already. For those of you left, I would also like to extend seasonal gretings: Merry Solstice and a Happy 1997!!! Cheers Martyn From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Dec 19 14:41:35 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 20:41:35 +0100 Subject: OFF: Season's Greetings Message-ID: > Its been very quiet around here for the last couple >of days, so I suppose many people have migrated for their >holidays already. For those of you left, I would also like >to extend seasonal gretings: Merry Solstice and a Happy 1997!!! > >Cheers > >Martyn > > Yes me too... "God Jul och Gott nytt A^r -sa?tt inte gro?ten i fel strupe nu bara" Translated into English it'll be something like "Merry Christmas and don't pour porridge at your CD-player when you're headbanging to "Santa Machine" -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From debony at CYBERCOM.NET Thu Dec 19 15:18:55 1996 From: debony at CYBERCOM.NET (Antony & Debbie) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 15:18:55 -0500 Subject: OFF: Season's Greetings In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19961219194135.00917004@mailbox.mc.hik.se> Message-ID: well well well! seems santa's come early for me and left some employment in my stocking! new job starts monday so you might see me even less on the list than you have been! but just wanna say to all the folksies have a grand ole chrissie and new years, and if anyone's heading upto boston gimme a buzz! peas-lovin xmas beanies rev. peacenik ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peacenik & Dreamflower `For every flower given, another grows inside.' PeacePie Paradise: http://www.cybercom.net/~debony "To wonder at something is to be aware of a wonder." -- M.C. Escher ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Dec 19 12:09:34 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:09:34 -0000 Subject: BOC: Covers & Opening Bands Message-ID: >Can't have Buck outplaying him yet agian. 8^). If the oysters ever made >it mega big again what current band would fit as an opener? Ha, that was an easy one to answer. Hawkwind is the band of course! ;-) -Daniel careful,there.i'd love to see two of my faves sharing some thunder,but lets not start any arguments about who opens for who... ;) rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Dec 19 12:14:55 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:14:55 -0000 Subject: OFF: Season's Greetings Message-ID: and i,too, wish every one the best of spirits for the holidays. may all the bad ones forget where ya live.... rj (i thought maybe my email was messed up.ive been getting maybe two a day....) > Its been very quiet around here for the last couple > of days, so I suppose many people have migrated for their > holidays already. For those of you left, I would also like > to extend seasonal gretings: Merry Solstice and a Happy 1997!!! > > Cheers > > Martyn From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Dec 19 17:19:42 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:19:42 -0500 Subject: BOC: Covers & Opening Bands In-Reply-To: <199612192115.QAA14535@listserv.spc.edu> from "RJ" at Dec 19, 96 05:09:34 pm Message-ID: RJ writes: > >> >Can't have Buck outplaying him yet agian. 8^). If the oysters ever made >> >it mega big again what current band would fit as an opener? >> >> Ha, that was an easy one to answer. Hawkwind is the band of course! ;-) >> >> -Daniel > > careful,there.i'd love to see two of my faves sharing some thunder,but lets > not start any > arguments about who opens for who... ;) > rj Simple - Hawkwind opens in the States, BOC in Europe. How many people here now remember our "Hawk'n'Blue in 92" campaign? ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From ABrevard at SHL.COM Thu Dec 19 18:02:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:02:00 -0600 Subject: OFF: New Virus Warning Message-ID: Public Service time ladies and gents. Be Warned. Subject: Virus Alert Importance: High If anyone receives mail entitled: PENPAL GREETINGS! please delete it WITHOUT reading it. Below is a little explanation of the message, and what itwould do to your PC if you were to read the message. If you have any questions or concerns please contact SAF-IA Info Office on 697-5059. This is a warning for all internet users - there is a dangerous virus propagating across the internet through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!". DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS!" This message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are interested in a penpal, but by the time you read this letter, it is too late. The"trojan horse" virus will have already infected the boot sector of your hard drive, destroying all of the data present. It is a self-replicating virus, and once the message is read, it will AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's e-mail address is present in YOUR mailbox! This virus will DESTROY your hard drive, and holds the potential to DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your inbox, and who's mail isin their inbox, and so on. If this virus remains unchecked, it has the potential to do a great deal of DAMAGE to computer networks worldwide!!!! Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" as soon as you see it! And pass this message along to all of your friends and relatives, and the other readers of the newsgroups and mailing lists which you are on, so that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus!!!! a fellow KX fan From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Dec 19 17:41:07 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:41:07 -0500 Subject: PENPAL GREETINGS! Message-ID: just kidding :-) :-) :-) From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Dec 19 17:06:52 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 09:06:52 +1100 Subject: (Fwd) ... consider The Philm Freax Digital Archive unleashed! Message-ID: This is "off topic", but if you haven't seen this site yet, it's well worth the visit. (My apologies to anyone who gets this more than once ) Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all! Paul ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 21:00:03 +0100 To: "Recipients of Philm Freax's Phun Autoresponder! List" From: "Philm Freax's Phun Autoresponder!" Subject: ... consider The Philm Freax Digital Archive unleashed! ***THIS IS AN AUTOMATED RESPONSE MESSAGE*** Hey now, We thought that after 6 months or so of round the clock tweakery, email ping-pong and extensive rethinks and refits, that the run-up to Xmas and the New Year was a good time to take down the "preview" note on the front door, leave the key under the mat, and take this opportunity to to thank you for your support and interest. While there's still no time for us to rest on our laurels (or even sleep!), we're open now, and ready to party. The new hi-tech, digitally randomized, rotating Freax-o-rama front door is in place, so please use that to enter for your next visit - We aim to reduce stress on your visit/s to the Philm Freax Archive so just sit back and relax while our new random-reload features Italy and Miscellenia do the donkey work - minimize your risk of aquiring Carpal Tunnel Syndrome! Still in the process of conversion into electrons are features on Andy Warhol, Dave Brock, Elton John, Gong, Vivian Stanshall, and more, plus pages on Edgar Broughton, John Lennon, and whatever else we find lurking in these old boxes that we think you'll like. We'll be adding constantly to the Phil Franks Gallery, the Philm Freax Archive, and the Friends section, which has only really just begun to take shape, we hope it will soon grow into a unique web resource, that's it then ... consider The Philm Freax Digital Archive unleashed, snacks and beverages are on the house!!! ~The Philm Freax Digital Archive ~ "It appears the future will consist of the digitally remastered past" http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/ *If you would like to be removed from the "Philm Freax's Phun Autoresponder! -Highly Confidential-Even-We-Don't-Know-Who's-On-It-And-We-Wouldn't-Dream-Of-G iving-Your -Email-Out-To-Anybody-Mailing List"... then please reply to this message substituting the subject for: "!doG si setaG lliB - !doG si setaG lliB" (twice, without the quotes.) **If you have received this message more than once please reply substituting the subject for "Twice" (once, with the quotes.) and we'll hose your double from the database! ***A DIGITAL POSTCARD IS WAITING FOR YOU AT THE VIRTUAL POST OFFICE!*** philm freax wrote you a digital postcard, some recipientes have already been notified, we aplogise to you. Point your graphical web browser to http://www.volition.com/ and follow the instructions. To view the postcard, you need to enter claim check number 51223669 ------------------------ (c) The Digital Postcard Provided as a free service by The Volition to Get Free Stuff!! http://www.volition.com ***THIS WAS AN AUTOMATED RESPONSE MESSAGE*** ***END OF AUTOMATED RESPONSE MESSAGE *** ~ WE WISH YOU A VERY WACKY XMAS AND A FREAKY NEW YEAR!!! ~ - Philm Freax's Phun Autoresponder!: freax at as-if.com - philm freax: philm at hehe.com -- "Where the heck am I ?" - mailto:lost at thevortex.com From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Dec 19 18:22:36 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 18:22:36 -0500 Subject: Hollow Hippodays! Message-ID: ....errr, Hippie Hollow-days (anyone know what that refers to, hmmmm?), uhhh, Happy Holidays, yeah, that's it!!! As I will be leaving the frigid climate of Atlanta (it is colder here than in Washington DC!!) for the (hopefully) warmer Florida shores in two days, I just wanted to wish all of you a safe and happy holiday season. I hope that you all find that special piece of music under the tree and, if you have been especially good little boys and girls, mebbe ol' Santy will leave a Box Of Hammers under there, too! I hoist a Bass to all of your health... Seeya! Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1613 bytes Desc: not available URL: From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Dec 19 18:26:04 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 10:26:04 +1100 Subject: New Virus Warning Message-ID: Hi Ade, > > Subject: Virus Alert > > Importance: High Your gunna get a heap of flames from BOC-L mate .... but this is a spam! It is impossible for a mail message to behave in the manner the post suggests. The *only* way for it to happen in the manner suggested if if the mail reader itself is the "virus", and the message just triggers it ... a mail message is text - nothing else, and a mail reader does NOT execute it! You can, and should, ignore all such messages. You can get a virus from email, but ONLY if you receive a message with an attached program (ie something.exe), which you extract and run without first checking it with a virus scanner! Anyway, MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Dec 19 18:26:40 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 18:26:40 -0500 Subject: PENPAL GREETINGS! Message-ID: Martyn, bad boy!! No do-nut! Craig (who also remembers "Hawk 'n' Blue in '92!") ---------- From: Martyn White[SMTP:white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 1996 5:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: PENPAL GREETINGS! just kidding :-) :-) :-) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1421 bytes Desc: not available URL: From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Dec 19 18:44:22 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 18:44:22 -0500 Subject: New Virus Warning Message-ID: Hi Paul, I probably will get flamed but I couldn't resist it. These "warnings" crop up all the time and I know that they are hoaxes. I figured people would either know this and get my "joke" or not know and delete the message I love a nice cool bottle of Bass meself MERRY XMAS Martyn From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Dec 19 15:20:01 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 20:20:01 -0000 Subject: Hollow Hippodays! Message-ID: good luck in fla. mobile ala. is under the worst snow they have ever seen. ;( good choice! (bass ale). have a happy, rj ---------- From: Craig Shipley To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Hollow Hippodays! Date: Thursday, December 19, 1996 11:22 PM ....errr, Hippie Hollow-days (anyone know what that refers to, hmmmm?), uhhh, Happy Holidays, yeah, that's it!!! As I will be leaving the frigid climate of Atlanta (it is colder here than in Washington DC!!) for the (hopefully) warmer Florida shores in two days, I just wanted to wish all of you a safe and happy holiday season. I hope that you all find that special piece of music under the tree and, if you have been especially good little boys and girls, mebbe ol' Santy will leave a Box Of Hammers under there, too! I hoist a Bass to all of your health... Seeya! Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Dec 19 15:24:55 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 20:24:55 -0000 Subject: PENPAL GREETINGS! Message-ID: > > Martyn, bad boy!! No do-nut! > > Craig > (who also remembers "Hawk 'n' Blue in '92!") > im not much concerned with donuts = {) , but how about hawksurgeons 97? or brainwind? b-b-b-b-b--brainstorm?!?!? the business tripanation???? oh god,help me.... rj From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Thu Dec 19 20:50:17 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:50:17 -0800 Subject: OFF: New Virus Warning Message-ID: At 05:02 PM 12/19/96 -0600, you wrote: >Public Service time ladies and gents. Be Warned. > >Subject: Virus Alert >Importance: High > >If anyone receives mail entitled: PENPAL GREETINGS! please delete it >WITHOUT reading it. Below is a little explanation of the message, and >what >itwould do to your PC if you were to read the message. If you have any >questions or concerns please contact SAF-IA Info Office on 697-5059. > >This is a warning for all internet users - there is a dangerous virus >propagating across the internet through an e-mail message entitled >"PENPAL GREETINGS!". DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL Is this for real? The very next message in my mailbox is titled "PINPAL GREETINGS!" I guess I'll delete it just in case but I wonder if there's a safe way to look at it? Surely looking at it in a text editor wouldn't set the bugger off, would it? _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "What ever you do, | | < *http://www2.connectnet.com/~jbrooks | take care of your |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | shoes" -- Phish From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Dec 19 22:42:18 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 13:42:18 +1000 Subject: (Fwd) ... consider The Philm Freax Digital Archive unleashed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I forgot to mention that the Philm Freax Archive has an Exclusive Nik Turner Interview! http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/ Paul -- "Where the heck am I ?" - mailto:lost at thevortex.com From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Dec 19 20:39:08 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 20:39:08 -0500 Subject: New Virus Warning In-Reply-To: <9612192344.AA28629@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Dec 19, 96 06:44:22 pm Message-ID: Happy Holidays to everyone! Martyn sez-- > I probably will get flamed but I couldn't resist it. > These "warnings" crop up all the time and I know that they are hoaxes. > I figured people would either know this and get my "joke" > or not know and delete the message > > I love a nice cool bottle of Bass meself Bass on tap is better. While we're on the subject, I'm also rather fond of Sierra Nevada's Pale Ale. :-) Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Dec 19 22:37:35 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 22:37:35 -0500 Subject: Kiss my Bass (Ale) Message-ID: ---------- From: Guido Vacano[SMTP:gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 1996 8:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: New Virus Warning Happy Holidays to everyone! Martyn sez-- > I probably will get flamed but I couldn't resist it. > These "warnings" crop up all the time and I know that they are hoaxes. > I figured people would either know this and get my "joke" > or not know and delete the message > > I love a nice cool bottle of Bass meself Bass on tap is better. While we're on the subject, I'm also rather fond of Sierra Nevada's Pale Ale. :-) Guido AMEN to that, Doctor!!! Seems that the li'l bar, uhhh, off-site meeting facility, that will be hosting the company Christmas party tomorrow, has the aforementioned Bass on tap (and my sales manager is footing the tab!!! Ahhh, if only I didn't have all that driving ahead of me and the wife in town to manage the rugrats... And they do have the SNPA there, too... To Hell with all of these phony virus alerts, how do I get rid of this damn sheep? The UFO doesn't do a very permanent job of eradicating the little blighter!!! :-) objCDPlayer: Mark Shreeve Live / Collide "Synth with an attitude..." Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2270 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Dec 19 22:48:04 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 22:48:04 -0500 Subject: BOC: Covers & Opening Bands Message-ID: >Simple - Hawkwind opens in the States, BOC in Europe. How many people >here now remember our "Hawk'n'Blue in 92" campaign? ;-) Hey, how about "Hawk'n'Brains"? Sorta sounds like a cyberpunk chop-shop blue-light special... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Dec 19 22:48:06 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 22:48:06 -0500 Subject: Hollow Hippodays! Message-ID: >....errr, Hippie Hollow-days (anyone know what that refers to, hmmmm?), uhhh, Happy Holidays, yeah, that's it!!! > >As I will be leaving the frigid climate of Atlanta (it is colder here than in Washington DC!!) for the (hopefully) warmer Florida shores in two days, I just wanted to wish all of you a safe and happy holiday season. I hope that you all find that special piece of music under the tree and, if you have been especially good little boys and girls, mebbe ol' Santy will leave a Box Of Hammers under there, too! RIght now it's in the 40's here in southern Florida, for the second time in two weeks.... Went to see Rush at the excellent outdoor Coral Sky Arena in West Palm Beach (excellent venue), but it was very cold (for here), and Geddy kept taunting everyone about how this wasn't really cold weather.... bloody canadians.... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Dec 19 22:48:09 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 22:48:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: New Virus Warning Message-ID: >>Public Service time ladies and gents. Be Warned. >> >>Subject: Virus Alert >>Importance: High hardly >Is this for real? The very next message in my mailbox is titled "PINPAL >GREETINGS!" I guess I'll delete it just in case but I wonder if there's a these things are never for real. Unless you run an attatchment it is impossible to get a virus from e-mail. If you get an attatchment, (like the recent sheep item on BOC-L) either scan it or delete it. There is no way possible for a virus to be run by reading e-mail. This is the same hoax as the "good times" warning that went around awhile back. In a certain sense, the warning itself is a virus, as it causes gullible people to create copies of the message and send them to other gullible people, who replicate it in this fashion. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Dec 19 21:05:38 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 02:05:38 -0000 Subject: OFF: beer. was virus something or other Message-ID: > > I love a nice cool bottle of Bass meself > > Bass on tap is better. While we're on the subject, I'm also rather fond > of Sierra Nevada's Pale Ale. :-) > EVERYTHING ON TAP IS BETTER! and i am extremely fond of Psorr weiss. with the yeasty floaties and all...yummmmm....hash high in a bottle.....and my friend makes a killer winter spice ale,,,, rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Thu Dec 19 21:10:04 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 02:10:04 -0000 Subject: Kiss my Bass (Ale) Message-ID: > > AMEN to that, Doctor!!! Seems that the li'l bar, uhhh, off-site meeting facility, that will be hosting the > company Christmas party tomorrow, has the aforementioned Bass on tap (and my sales manager is footing > the tab!!! Ahhh, if only I didn't have all that driving ahead of me and the wife in town to manage the rugrats... > And they do have the SNPA there, too... > > To Hell with all of these phony virus alerts, how do I get rid of this damn sheep? The UFO doesn't do a > very permanent job of eradicating the little blighter!!! :-) SISK,BOOM,BAH.............................................the sound of exploding sheep. johnny carson. since you mentioned it. please,PLEASE,everyone be careful this holiday season.watch out for the drunk, and slightly buzzed drivers. and please dont be one. i would relly hate to notice a gap on the list. but still,have fun, happy happy, rj From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri Dec 20 02:33:28 1996 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 00:33:28 -0700 Subject: Kiss my Bass (Ale) Message-ID: RJ wrote: > > > > > AMEN to that, Doctor!!! Seems that the li'l bar, uhhh, off-site meeting > facility, that will be hosting the > > company Christmas party tomorrow, has the aforementioned Bass on tap (and > my sales manager is footing > > the tab!!! Ahhh, if only I didn't have all that driving ahead of me and > the wife in town to manage the rugrats... > > And they do have the SNPA there, too... > > > > To Hell with all of these phony virus alerts, how do I get rid of this > damn sheep? The UFO doesn't do a > > very permanent job of eradicating the little blighter!!! :-) > > SISK,BOOM,BAH.............................................the sound of > exploding sheep. johnny carson. > since you mentioned it. please,PLEASE,everyone be careful this holiday > season.watch out for the drunk, > and slightly buzzed drivers. and please dont be one. i would relly hate to > notice a gap on the list. > > but still,have fun, happy happy, rj Hi all! had to comment here-Have as much fun as you want-but remember that taxis are much cheaper that DUIs!! I rewally hafta watch out for them-then I call them in to the cops if they're overly dangerous!! Folx, be careful out there! Listen to large aounts of weird rock for the holidays!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace BREVARD Adrian R. writes: > Public Service time ladies and gents. Be Warned. > > Subject: Virus Alert > Importance: High > > If anyone receives mail entitled: PENPAL GREETINGS! please delete it > WITHOUT reading it. Below is a little explanation of the message, and > what > itwould do to your PC if you were to read the message. If you have any > questions or concerns please contact SAF-IA Info Office on 697-5059. This is almost certainly a repeat of the "Hoax" Good TImes virus. There is no 'puter eating virus. Except if you unpack and run a binary or have Word or another package configured to run any macro in a message, there's no way to insert a virus into a text email message. With good times, the "virus" was the hoax that there was a virus, and it spread pretty well. Please don't propagate this one any further. FoFP From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Dec 20 06:40:49 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 12:40:49 +0100 Subject: OFF: Old Virus Warning Message-ID: please be careful out there, rumours say this killer virus from '88 is on the loose again. (please don't panic in Europe, we're safe as we're using 50Hz AC) \\joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11-31-88 (24:60) Number: 32769 To: ALL Refer#: NONE From: ROBERT MORRIS III Read: (N/A) Subj: VIRUS ALERT Status: PUBLIC MESSAGE Warning: There's a new virus on the loose that's worse than anything I've seen before! It gets in through the power line, riding on the powerline 60 Hz subcarrier. It works by changing the serial port pinouts, and by reversing the direction one's disks spin. Over 300,000 systems have been hit by it here in Murphy, West Dakota alone! And that's just in the last 12 minutes. It attacks DOS, Unix, TOPS-20, Apple-II, VMS, MVS, Multics, Mac, RSX-11, ITS, TRS-80, and VHS systems. To prevent the spresd of the worm: 1) Don't use the powerline. 2) Don't use batteries either, since there are rumors that this virus has invaded most major battery plants and is infecting the positive poles of the batteries. (You might try hooking up just the negative pole.) 3) Don't upload or download files. 4) Don't store files on floppy disks or hard disks. 5) Don't read messages. Not even this one! 6) Don't use serial ports, modems, or phone lines. 7) Don't use keyboards, screens, or printers. 8) Don't use switches, CPUs, memories, microprocessors, or mainframes. 9) Don't use electric lights, electric or gas heat or airconditioning, running water, writing, fire, clothing or the wheel. I'm sure if we are all careful to follow these 9 easy steps, this virus can be eradicated, and the precious electronic flui9ds of our computers can be kept pure. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Dec 20 06:47:44 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 06:47:44 -0500 Subject: Kiss my Bass (Ale) Message-ID: Pam and rj, Thanks for the heads-up, and believe me, I have no intention of tying one on today! I got two kids (with one under development; roll out date, late April) and a wife that I don't want wasting my insurance money, just yet, anyways...anywho, who would Steve and Guido have to pick on if I was to cash in me chips? I echo the sentiment, be careful out there! (Too bad Pam doesn't live in Atlanta; I could contract her for the holiday season! Nothing like a good blast of HW when you least expect it, like in a cab!!!) objCDPlayer: Michael Garrison / Sold Out Live (autographed). Looks like I'm in a heavy electronic mood as of late. Must have something to do with turning my old Moog over to my oldest son... Craig craigs at pyramid.com > since you mentioned it. please,PLEASE,everyone be careful this holiday > season.watch out for the drunk, > and slightly buzzed drivers. and please dont be one. i would relly hate to > notice a gap on the list. > > but still,have fun, happy happy, rj Hi all! had to comment here-Have as much fun as you want-but remember that taxis are much cheaper that DUIs!! I rewally hafta watch out for them-then I call them in to the cops if they're overly dangerous!! Folx, be careful out there! Listen to large aounts of weird rock for the holidays!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 20 08:45:24 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 13:45:24 GMT Subject: OFF: New Virus Warning In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Fri, 20 Dec 1996 11:13:15 GMT Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > BREVARD Adrian R. writes: > > > Public Service time ladies and gents. Be Warned. > > > > Subject: Virus Alert > > Importance: High > > > This is almost certainly a repeat of the "Hoax" Good TImes virus. There > is no 'puter eating virus. Except if you unpack and run a binary or have > Word or another package configured to run any macro in a message, > there's no way to insert a virus into a text email message. With good mind you I was hearing from a friend who uses a departmental system configured for the use of the not particularly computer literate and he was offered one of these viruses in a message once. A tiny window appeared on his screen with an incomprehensible Alert message and offering two buttons to push - the OK one was highlighted and the other simply said Cancel. Clearly it was offering him the opportunity to accept a package but he very sensibly pressed the Cancel button. Apparently others did not 8-( Well - that's the story he told me anyhow! jill > times, the "virus" was the hoax that there was a virus, and it spread > pretty well. and this is certainly true! > > Please don't propagate this one any further. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ABrevard at SHL.COM Fri Dec 20 10:16:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 09:16:00 -0600 Subject: OFF: Virus Warning Message-ID: Thanks Paul, good thing we have people who know these things. Sigh, without the p[roper background I'm forced to take all of these warnings seriously. Sorry for the spam stains people. Happy Holidays Lil ab Shipley - BTW mighty cold in this area today, don't know about Hotlanta. From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 20 08:57:51 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 09:57:51 EDT Subject: OFF: tundra trashing Message-ID: > From: "BREVARD Adrian R." >> > Happy Holidays > Lil ab > > Shipley - BTW mighty cold in this area today, don't know about Hotlanta. Well, whilst walking the bitches this morning, the wind chill was in single digits. Not too much snow, at least. theo From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Fri Dec 20 10:56:55 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 01:56:55 +1000 Subject: HW: Tour Details from "HawkNews" Message-ID: Hi All, I got my latest "HawkNews" from Doug Smith the other day, and this is a summary of the 97 tour info: May: US/Canada - Toronto, Buffalo, Cleveland, Toledo, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee + few more June: Australia and New Zealand :-)))) July/Aug: European Festivals September: Milton Keynes + 3 weeks of gigs, then Europe Merry Christmas All!!! Paul (happy OzHawk) PS: According to the stage plan Doug sent, Gerry Richards must be a permenant member now (and the costings Doug sent me for the Oz leg were for 5 band members)! -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Dec 20 10:15:28 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 10:15:28 -0500 Subject: OFF: Happy Holidays Message-ID: Well, I'll be out of the office for the next week, so I'll add my Holiday greeting to you all now. Best wishes for a happy, merry, joyous, and blessed Christmas, New Year's, Hannukah, Kwanza, or whatever holiday suits your fancy. Looking forward to exciting things from BOC and tBS in 1997. Revision 2.2 of the FAQ will be out in January. Need a last minute gift? BOC CD's make great stocking stuffers! tBS do as well, although you might be hard pressed to come by them in time unless there's one at your local record store - but hey, buy a few from Deb/Al and send them as belated gifts! May you have a Box of Hammers under your tree - or at least a box for your hammer already - take that any way you want (OUCH) ;-) ;-) ;-) and "Good Health to You", John Swartz From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Dec 20 10:35:25 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 10:35:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Details from "HawkNews" Message-ID: >Paul (happy OzHawk) > >PS: According to the stage plan Doug sent, Gerry Richards must be a >permenant member now (and the costings Doug sent me for the Oz leg >were for 5 band members)! I must have missed something. Who is Gerry Richards? Martyn From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 20 10:44:10 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 15:44:10 +0000 Subject: OFF: Season's Greetings In-Reply-To: <199612191850.TAA00679@imaginet.fr> Message-ID: In message <199612191850.TAA00679 at imaginet.fr>, "Alex S. Garcia" writes > Anyway, since I'm leaving tomorrow, I just wanted to wish >you all a Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year. I'll be back on January 6. > >See you next year ! ;-) > Damn, I hate these quiet spots in the year :0) Half the list gone away, darn it!! Have a great holiday everyone, and in the words of Dave Allen, (the comedian, not the Gong frontman), May your God go with you. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 20 10:47:40 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 15:47:40 +0000 Subject: BOC-L farewell(?) In-Reply-To: <01BBED95.662177C0@dhcp-14.dhcp.tadpole.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <01BBED95.662177C0 at dhcp-14.dhcp.tadpole.co.uk>, Mike Parkington writes >Well, > >The end of the year approaches (tomorrow is my last day) and I start a new >job in the New Year. Unfortunately, as I will be working for an Internet >provider it may no longer be possible for me subscribe to mailing lists. > >In the event that this is the case (hopefully it will not be!) many thanks >for the information and entertaining discussions over the last few months. > >Merry Christmas, Happy New year. > >Mike P Well, Mike, It was nice jawin' with you. Look out for NetHawks T-Shirts the next time you see HW, we'll meet agin. Odd that your last post is the only one without a great 2K Binary Windat attachment. :) BTW Howcum you won't access mailing lists if working for an ISP? -- Jon Browne From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri Dec 20 11:12:10 1996 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 09:12:10 -0700 Subject: Kiss my Bass (Ale) Message-ID: Craig Shipley wrote: > > Pam and rj, > > Thanks for the heads-up, and believe me, I have no intention of tying one on today! > I got two kids (with one under development; roll out date, late April) and a wife that > I don't want wasting my insurance money, just yet, anyways...anywho, who would Steve > and Guido have to pick on if I was to cash in me chips? > > I echo the sentiment, be careful out there! (Too bad Pam doesn't live in Atlanta; I could > contract her for the holiday season! Nothing like a good blast of HW when you least > expect it, like in a cab!!!) Sounds like fun to me!! Do ya know Paul Cashman?? He lives there and is a HW famn as well!! > heehee!! I love to play great tunes in the cab!! I'm gonna save up after the holidaze and get me a cd player for the car. even better!!! > Listen to large aounts of weird rock for the holidays!! Keep rockin' Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Ted Jackson jr. EL84 wrote: > > > From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > >> > > Happy Holidays > > Lil ab > > > > Shipley - BTW mighty cold in this area today, don't know about Hotlanta. > > Well, whilst walking the bitches this morning, the wind chill was in > single digits. Not too much snow, at least. > theo Well, it warmed up here-I've just woken up to about an inch of snow, and more coming down, Driving will sure be fun tonite!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Message-ID: In message <32BA4148.205E at micron.net>, Cliff & Pam Wheaton writes >Listen to large aounts of weird rock for the holidays!! >Pam >- okey-doke, will do!! Ob Drink : Absolut Vodka, straight up! YOWZAH!!!! -- Jon Browne From stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM Fri Dec 20 11:11:08 1996 From: stephen at SPATIALWARE.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 11:11:08 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Details from "HawkNews" Message-ID: Wheeeee !!! Merry Christmas Indeed !! Once again looks like the HW world tour starts in Toronto this Spring, Life Is Wonderful ! Of course anybody who can make it is invited to come help celebrate !! (And now we can really crow about it as we don't have to worry about Paul and the Poor Aussies feeling envious !) Happy Christmas Everyone, Steve L. > > I got my latest "HawkNews" from Doug Smith the other day, and this is > a summary of the 97 tour info: > > May: US/Canada - Toronto, Buffalo, Cleveland, Toledo, Detroit, > Chicago, Milwaukee + few more From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Fri Dec 20 11:13:36 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 17:13:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Tour Details from "HawkNews" Message-ID: > I must have missed something. Who is Gerry Richards? Here is a list of gigs, HAWKWIND played with Jerry Richards Hope it is useful for you TOWN: HALL: DATE: DAY: LINE-UP: ================================================== Isle Of Man Festival 07.06.95 Wed BR/DA/CH/BS/RI Isle Of Man Festival 08.06.95 Thu BR/DA/CH/BS/RI London BBC Studio 27.07.95 Thu BR/DA/CH/BS/RI Pentrich Festival 29.07.95 Sat BR/DA/CH/BS/RI Cunlhat Festival 18.08.96 Sun BR/CH/BS/RI Tilburg Festival 07.09.96 Sat BR/DA/CH/BS/RI Rotterdam Nighttown 08.09.96 Sun BR/DA/CH/BS/RI Thesaloniki Milos 08.11.96 Fri BR/DA/CH/BS/RI Athen Rodon Club 09.11.96 Sat BR/DA/CH/BS/RI Bernhard From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 20 10:40:10 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 15:40:10 +0000 Subject: HW: Tour Details from "HawkNews" In-Reply-To: <199612201120.WAA23466@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: In message <199612201120.WAA23466 at hyme.pcmicro.com.au>, Paul G Ward writes >September: Milton Keynes + 3 weeks of gigs, then Europe Ex-squeeze me?!! NO UK DATES TILL SEPTEMBER????? and even then it's Milton Keynes?! (AKA Weirdsville) Nooooooo!!!!!! -- Jon Browne From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Fri Dec 20 11:32:19 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 16:32:19 -0000 Subject: BOC-L farewell(?) Message-ID: Jon, The reason that there was no Windat file is that for a change I was not replying to a mail (that already had the attachment) but that it was a first generation copy. My machine/SW will propagate the Windat file if it is already there but is set not to create it in the first instance. ISPs have ethical codes for employees that in a lot of instances restrict the type of use that an employee may make of the Internet & WWW. As HW is almost certainly subversive and decadent and much worse than pornography, the chances are that it will be taboo. Here's hoping I am wrong. Cheers Mike P. ---------- From: Jon Browne[SMTP:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] Sent: Friday, December 20, 1996 03:47 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC-L farewell(?) In message <01BBED95.662177C0 at dhcp-14.dhcp.tadpole.co.uk>, Mike Parkington writes >Well, > >The end of the year approaches (tomorrow is my last day) and I start a new >job in the New Year. Unfortunately, as I will be working for an Internet >provider it may no longer be possible for me subscribe to mailing lists. > >In the event that this is the case (hopefully it will not be!) many thanks >for the information and entertaining discussions over the last few months. > >Merry Christmas, Happy New year. > >Mike P Well, Mike, It was nice jawin' with you. Look out for NetHawks T-Shirts the next time you see HW, we'll meet agin. 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Time for a campaign to get the Hawks a Special Invite to Glastonbury.... FoFP From videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE Fri Dec 20 15:30:47 1996 From: videofest at MEDIOPOLIS.DE (VideoFest Berlin) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 21:30:47 +0100 Subject: Hendrix and N. Coward in Heaven (envisioned by Mr. Calvert) Message-ID: a new / updated entry on the Calvert site has just been uploaded: Robert Calvert's imaginary dialogue of Jimi Hendrix and Noel Coward - watching our vain ongoings from heaven.... a magnificent piece of prose - humorous & 100% Calvertesque. you're in for some strange Cattle-Spotting at: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/cattle.htm Knut Gerwers the CALVERT SITE: http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/ transMedia VideoFest Berlin Mediopolis Berlin e.V. Potsdamer Str. 96 D - 10785 Berlin Germany tel: *30 - 262 8714 fax: *30 - 262 8713 email: videofest at mediopolis.de http://www.mediopolis.de/videofest/ From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Dec 20 15:47:49 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (QUEST) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 14:47:49 -0600 Subject: HW: Tour Details from "HawkNews" In-Reply-To: <199612201120.WAA23466@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Dec 1996, Paul G Ward wrote: > I got my latest "HawkNews" from Doug Smith the other day, and this is > a summary of the 97 tour info: > May: US/Canada - Toronto, Buffalo, Cleveland, Toledo, Detroit, > Chicago, Milwaukee + few more Looks like I'll have to get on the ball and talk to Lascko about bringing them down south... Damon From pink at UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Fri Dec 20 15:16:52 1996 From: pink at UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (Brian "_pink" Davis) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 16:16:52 -0400 Subject: HW: Tour Details from "HawkNews" Message-ID: >On Sat, 21 Dec 1996, Paul G Ward wrote: >> I got my latest "HawkNews" from Doug Smith the other day, and this is >> a summary of the 97 tour info: >> May: US/Canada - Toronto, Buffalo, Cleveland, Toledo, Detroit, >> Chicago, Milwaukee + few more > >Looks like I'll have to get on the ball and talk to Lascko about bringing >them down south... Yeah, Atlanta would be nice!... _______________________________________________________________________ . | __ ( ) | |\| |< | Visit me: http://pink.rserv.uga.edu/ _______________________________________________________________________ From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Dec 20 17:20:33 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 17:20:33 -0500 Subject: Virus Warning Message-ID: Hotlanta, it ain't (I think the thermometer on the van finally broke 32F!) but the forecast is for 60F by next week. By then, I should be in West Palm Beach, soakin' up de rays... For those of you who were concerned about my consumption of the fine products of the Bass brewery, fear not! I'm home, no carnage left in my wake and all is well... Merry Christmas all, as this will probably be my last post until much later (I am taking the laptop, but the in-laws don't have a dedicated phone line like Shipley Central...) objCDPlayer: Mannheim Steamroller: Christmas In The Aire (well, its got lots of synths...) Craig ---------- From: BREVARD Adrian R.[SMTP:ABrevard at SHL.COM] Sent: Friday, December 20, 1996 10:16 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: OFF: Virus Warning Thanks Paul, good thing we have people who know these things. Sigh, without the p[roper background I'm forced to take all of these warnings seriously. Sorry for the spam stains people. Happy Holidays Lil ab Shipley - BTW mighty cold in this area today, don't know about Hotlanta. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2077 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Dec 20 23:15:40 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 23:15:40 -0500 Subject: OFF: beer. was virus something or other Message-ID: >> > I love a nice cool bottle of Bass meself >> >> Bass on tap is better. While we're on the subject, I'm also rather fond >> of Sierra Nevada's Pale Ale. :-) >> > >EVERYTHING ON TAP IS BETTER! and i am extremely fond of Psorr weiss. Well, not your spine..... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Dec 21 00:55:48 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 00:55:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Alman Mulo-Orisha Message-ID: Well, since many of our members have stepped out for a while, we'll need something to keep the rest of us busy. I figured I'd give it a start with a new CD I just picked up at the Virgin Megastore, the Alman Mulo Band's "Orisha". Any comments? I think it's quite good, plenty of synths and tribal percussion... Some typical pretty/synthy Harve-HW type stuff. Also, I saw two copies of Dead Flowers' "Altered State Circus"...here's hopin' one is still there when I'm ready to buy it. Chuck PS: And in case any BOC fans are reading, copy of Live '76 for 10 bucks. From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Dec 21 01:14:42 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 01:14:42 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Details from "HawkNews" Message-ID: On 20-DEC-1996 11:37:39.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >In message <199612201120.WAA23466 at hyme.pcmicro.com.au>, Paul G Ward > writes >>September: Milton Keynes + 3 weeks of gigs, then Europe >Ex-squeeze me?!! NO UK DATES TILL SEPTEMBER????? >and even then it's Milton Keynes?! (AKA Weirdsville) >Nooooooo!!!!!! >-- >Jon Browne But meanwhile they continue to ignore Southern California almost completely. What's the story here? This is Los Angeles we're talking about...don't forget the Palace... Chuck `[1;31;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sat Dec 21 05:12:36 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 11:12:36 +0100 Subject: a couple o' Q Message-ID: At 18:25 16.12.96 GMT, you wrote: >> A question in two parts: >> a) the live version of "Shouldn't do that" on "The best of the Psychedelic >> Warriors" Cleopatra >> What is the date on that anyone? Bernhard? > >from the Codex: > >(it looks like this version is an edited part of the encore that was >originally done after the Space Ritual Alive gigs. Date circa 1973 but >maybe someone else remembers the exact venue? London? Liverpool?) It is from Brixton 30.12.1972 Bernhard From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Dec 20 22:44:42 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 14:44:42 +1100 Subject: (Fwd) ... consider The Philm Freax Digital Archive unleashed In-Reply-To: <199612192305.KAA19603@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Dec 1996, Paul G Ward wrote: > I forgot to mention that the Philm Freax Archive has an Exclusive Nik > Turner Interview! > > http://sunsite.unc.edu/mal/MO/philm/ > > Paul > AHHH- P.A.U.L.- How could you forget to mention the only other interesting thing apart from Brocky!!!!! :) Merry new year and Glad jul! Hej da^, Troy > -- > "Where the heck am I ?" > - mailto:lost at thevortex.com > From web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG Sat Dec 21 09:03:54 1996 From: web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG (Jeremy R. Horne) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 09:03:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Details from "HawkNews" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Dec 1996, QUEST wrote: > On Sat, 21 Dec 1996, Paul G Ward wrote: > > I got my latest "HawkNews" from Doug Smith the other day, and this is > > a summary of the 97 tour info: > > May: US/Canada - Toronto, Buffalo, Cleveland, Toledo, Detroit, > > Chicago, Milwaukee + few more > > Looks like I'll have to get on the ball and talk to Lascko about bringing > them down south... > > Damon > I know they could pack 'em in in Charlotte, NC and Atlanta. Jeremy R Horne From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Sat Dec 21 12:22:21 1996 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 10:22:21 -0700 Subject: hw Message-ID: >Look out for NetHawks T-Shirts Are these available?? Is there any way to purchase one of these?? Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Brian "_pink" Davis wrote: > > >On Sat, 21 Dec 1996, Paul G Ward wrote: > >> I got my latest "HawkNews" from Doug Smith the other day, and this is > >> a summary of the 97 tour info: > >> May: US/Canada - Toronto, Buffalo, Cleveland, Toledo, Detroit, > >> Chicago, Milwaukee + few more > > > >Looks like I'll have to get on the ball and talk to Lascko about bringing > >them down south... > > Yeah, Atlanta would be nice!... > Boise too!!!.... Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > I know they could pack 'em in in Charlotte, NC and Atlanta. > > Jeremy R Horne but, i don't think they are using any professional promoters and all this tour. as far as i know they are choosing towns based on whether they have a fan or group of fans there who are willing to arrange the gig,and secure a deposit. this might not be entirely true,but it is the way i understand it. rj From uriah at HERMITAGE.RU Sat Dec 21 18:10:05 1996 From: uriah at HERMITAGE.RU (Yuri Elik) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 02:10:05 +0300 Subject: HW in great rock discographies Message-ID: Hi fellow hawkfans! Someone here wrote already about an excellent 'Great Rock Discography' book (it has a good enough article about Hawkwind). On the last page there was something about their web cite with an address http://www.4th-edge.co.uk/require.htm that led essentially nowhere (there was one link where password was asked), so I tried it once without success and forgot about it. Today I looked at this page again and suddenly noticed that in the picture of web page in Netscape window there is _another_ address - http://www.4th-edge.co.uk/require/search.htm I tried it and - oh wonder! - it worked! So there is a new Hawkwind link with a little bit of band history and discography: http://www.4th-edge.co.uk/cgi-shl/dbml.dll?Action=Query&Template=/require/bandprof.dbm&bandid=1449 Enjoy! Yuri From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Dec 22 07:32:47 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 22:32:47 +1000 Subject: Merry Christmas Message-ID: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/xmas.html ... and a Hawky New Year! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 23 08:42:40 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 21:42:40 +0800 Subject: OFF: Season's Greetings Message-ID: And here is a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year from me as well. Thought I'd better get it in now, as I may not get the chance later on. William PS We OzHawk fans in particular are looking forward to a Happy New Year!! From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 23 09:16:10 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 22:16:10 +0800 Subject: HW: Tour Details from "HawkNews" Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > > >Paul (happy OzHawk) > > > >PS: According to the stage plan Doug sent, Gerry Richards must be a > >permenant member now (and the costings Doug sent me for the Oz leg > >were for 5 band members)! > > I must have missed something. Who is Gerry Richards? > He plays guitar on the Alien 4 version of Death Trap, as well as on various live appearances. William From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Mon Dec 23 09:36:36 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 22:36:36 +0800 Subject: HW:Live recordings Message-ID: I have a few questions which maybe Bernhard is probably the best qualified to answer. 1) Some of the live recordings that have been officially released do not list where or when exactly they come from. I speak particularly of tracks such as Kings of Speed (Hawkwind Zoo) and many others too numerous to mention, such as the PXR5 tracks. Is it possible to compile a list of these recordings??? 2) Is the bootleg St. Albans CD of similar quality to the audio tapes??? This next part is not really a question (maybe more of a suggestion for Mike Holmes' Codex) 3) How much of a difference is there between various 'cut' (as well as remixed!) tracks. Are the lengths of various tracks and the original versions much different. How about adding lengths of each track to the Codex! By the way, the version of Robot on the first two Friends and Relations CD's are the same length. The version on the album appears to be the most complete version. The Codex says this version is a cut of the Weird Tapes version, I assume it's only about one second. William From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Dec 23 11:41:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 11:41:00 EST Subject: HW: US 97 tour Message-ID: A pretty limited coverage for sure. I can only hope the "few more" include NYC or something in the Northeast. Fortunately, I grew up in Buffalo and visited Toronto often. Steve L., I may see you for the kick off date! And relatives in Buffalo probably can expect a summer visit. Even spent a year near Cleveland going to school, so all the old stomping grounds may get the nostalgia tour. I bought some good stealth mikes to test out on HW and I've got to get a good sample. It hardly seems there are enough dates to amortize the travel expenses and they won't have a new album out to plug unless the Live 74 is out in the next few. Hope it isn't the business of the future to hemorrhage at the wallet again. They should touch base with GONG's tour people who arranged 2 tours of the states this year that reportedly were quite successful. Pam, what area does your cab rock in? Rudy (Wal, another Boston area HW fan) From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Mon Dec 23 13:41:48 1996 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 11:41:48 -0700 Subject: HW: US 97 tour Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A wrote: > > A pretty limited coverage for sure. I can only hope the "few more" include > NYC or something in the Northeast. Fortunately, I grew up in Buffalo and > visited Toronto often. Steve L., I may see you for the kick off date! And > relatives in Buffalo probably can expect a summer visit. Even spent a year > near Cleveland going to school, so all the old stomping grounds may get the > nostalgia tour. I bought some good stealth mikes to test out on HW and I've > got to get a good sample. It hardly seems there are enough dates to > amortize the travel expenses and they won't have a new album out to plug > unless the Live 74 is out in the next few. Hope it isn't the business of > the future to hemorrhage at the wallet again. They should touch base with > GONG's tour people who arranged 2 tours of the states this year that > reportedly were quite successful. > > Pam, what area does your cab rock in? Boise, Idaho!!! come see me!!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Thanks William, may I wish you Happy Holidays In return. Glad to be on board with you folks, finally! Matt From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 23 14:06:39 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 19:06:39 GMT Subject: HW: Codex queries In-Reply-To: William Duffy's message of Mon, 23 Dec 1996 22:36:36 +0800 Message-ID: William Duffy writes: > 2) Is the bootleg St. Albans CD of similar quality to the audio tapes??? yep - some of the tapes are probably better too. Don't bother with this CD - it's a waste of time, money and silver paper. > This next part is not really a question (maybe more of a suggestion for > Mike Holmes' Codex) > 3) How much of a difference is there between various 'cut' (as well as > remixed!) tracks. Are the lengths of various tracks and the original > versions much different. How about adding lengths of each track to the > Codex! I'll sneak a comment in here since I'm sorta part-involved with the creating of it! A 'cut' means that a chunk has been taken out of the version concerned. We've usually tried to specify where but sometimes it's just too complicated when bits are snipped off beginning, middle and end. A re-mix is a bit more difficult. Generally the quality of the recording depends much more on the *quality* of the equipment available for the re-recording than on any remixing. My guess is that during any re-recording of the tapes for a new CD production re-mixing is usually just a question of pulling a few sounds into the foreground that were in the background. Or it could simply be that the re-recording equipment is more sensitive to (say) vocals than the original tape. It's very, very difficult to decide when you are just listening to endless variations. Because of such uncertainties then *MY* (and I stress it's mine!) my definition of re-mix is usually when some *extra* sound has been added like a wibble, or a warble, or a background bell, or a guitar riff. Anything else is just a difference in sound quality. But, yes, and this is a constant appeal to anyone who wants to get involved, please - if someone would like to add coments to each track section about quality this would be much appreciated. In fact this is a discussion it might be well worth pursuing in the New Year once everyone is back! > By the way, the version of Robot on the first two Friends and Relations > CD's are the same length. The version on the album appears to be the > most complete version. The Codex says this version is a cut of the Weird > Tapes version, I assume it's only about one second. ok - could do you me a favour and email me the 'Robot' entry as *you* understand it according to the style we use in the codex? I'll be off the boc-list for a week-ish but if you could email me direct: J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk then I'll check it out (if possible). The problem is that the very first Flicknife F&R is one of the CDs I don't have so I might have to wait until Mike Holmes gets back to check his copy. But send me your amended version of the 'Robot' entry and I can look into it. And a very happy Yuletide to one and all! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 23 14:11:55 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 19:11:55 GMT Subject: HW: touring Message-ID: Nothing 'til September..... 8-(( At least it looks as if Alan Davey will be touring in April. He's apparently collecting a band together (including Danny Thompson) with further info and dates due in January. Edinburgh please! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Mon Dec 23 14:26:02 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 19:26:02 -0000 Subject: touring Message-ID: jill,did you get my post about bedouin? bedouin is the name of alan's new band. it is himself,danny thomas,and sean massett(ex guitar,capt rizz) he says he will have some sort of ep finished in march 97.i dont know anything about the tour tho,except that he plans to bring it stateside. happy holidays,rj > Nothing 'til September..... 8-(( > > At least it looks as if Alan Davey will be touring in April. He's > apparently collecting a band together (including Danny Thompson) with > further info and dates due in January. Edinburgh please! > From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Dec 23 19:48:08 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 17:48:08 -0700 Subject: Off; Foghat's Line up. In-Reply-To: <20E6A1759BD@library.syr.edu> Message-ID: Guys & ladies; Regarding Foghat's line up, yes, it is the original line up of Lonesome Dave on guitar and vocals, Rod Price on slide and lead guitar, Roger Earl on drums (or as they call them, "shakers"), and Tony Stevens on bass. This is (was) their 25th Anniversary tour, and their latest is called "The Return Of The Boogie Men", which is pretty damn good and true to Foghat form. In addition, Lonesome Dave is a regular on AOL, and travels with his laptop when touring, just like Eric Bloom!! Except Eric & Buck have taken care of themselves physically. The years have not been to kind on Foghat, but they can still rock!!!! Merry X-Mas & God bless to all... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Mon Dec 23 23:29:35 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 14:29:35 +1000 Subject: BOC: Badge Message-ID: Santa came a little early round here - a colleague and fellow BOC appreciator gave me a nice little BOC badge for Christmas, an oval piece that's black with gold lettering and symbol. Anybody else getting BOC (or HW) gifts that they know of? BTW, I'll be away for a few weeks after today and since I only have email at work, I'll be completely offline. Season's Greetings to everyone and see you next year. Pete. ObLP: *Vertigo Trip* - Various ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "Money isn't everything; it usually isn't even enough." - Anon. From des at ONYX.INTERACTIVE.NET Tue Dec 24 00:14:32 1996 From: des at ONYX.INTERACTIVE.NET (E F) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 00:14:32 -0500 Subject: TEST Do Not Read Message-ID: This is only a test. Sorry if you find this dull, but after all you were warned. From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Tue Dec 24 02:02:09 1996 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 02:02:09 -0500 Subject: TEST(Do Not Read)Its your loss if you don't read Message-ID: At 12:14 AM 12/24/96 -0500, you wrote: >This is only a test. > >Sorry if you find this dull, but after all you were warned. > I found your test to be very inspirational and I am looking forward to seeing more of your work. If you have any private work you'd wish to display please do. I am an afficionado of your work. From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Dec 24 02:28:44 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 02:28:44 -0500 Subject: TEST(Do Not Read)Its your loss if you don't read Message-ID: >At 12:14 AM 12/24/96 -0500, you wrote: >>This is only a test. >> >>Sorry if you find this dull, but after all you were warned. >> >I found your test to be very inspirational and I am looking forward to >seeing more of your work. If you have any private work you'd wish to display >please do. >I am an afficionado of your work. I received some e-mail from Doug Smith, he says Dave has read the message and is very keen on using it as lyrics on a song on the hawks will be performing in the U.S. and Australia this tour. If you agree, let Star Rats know and you can expect to collect royalties (until, of course, it is recredited to Ron or Dave in a future live album). =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From wiandrew at COPPER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Tue Dec 24 03:54:23 1996 From: wiandrew at COPPER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Wian Chao Drew) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 03:54:23 -0500 Subject: BOC: Badge In-Reply-To: <199612240429.OAA12734@pigeon.qut.edu.au> from "Peter Sondergeld" at Dec 24, 96 02:29:35 pm Message-ID: > > Santa came a little early round here - a colleague and fellow BOC > appreciator gave me a nice little BOC badge for Christmas, an oval piece > that's black with gold lettering and symbol. Anybody else getting BOC (or > HW) gifts that they know of? Got myself one. After not being in a guitar shop for an undetermined amount of time, I finally wandered in for new strings.. and found the sheet music to Cult Classic. (Frumious bandersnacthing here.) Little blessings mean a lot. From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Tue Dec 24 04:05:41 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 10:05:41 +0100 Subject: HW:Live recordings Message-ID: At 22:36 23.12.96 +0800, you wrote: >I have a few questions which maybe Bernhard is probably the best >qualified to answer. > >1) Some of the live recordings that have been officially released do not >list where or when exactly they come from. I speak particularly of >tracks such as Kings of Speed (Hawkwind Zoo) and many others too >numerous to mention, such as the PXR5 tracks. Is it possible to compile >a list of these recordings??? I suppose that the KOS version from HZ isn't a live one!!! The only live appereance of this song was Nov/Dec 1989 Now to the live versions from PXR5: AFAIK they are NOT from LONDON 77 and LEICESTER 77 (or they are extremely remixed) because I have both audience live tapes and couldn't find a correspondence The ROBOT version from F&R seems to be different version to the Stonehenge 1977 (Weird tape) and PXR5 but I am not 100% sure >2) Is the bootleg St. Albans CD of similar quality to the audio tapes??? There exist much better qualities on live tapes. I had 2 live tapes from 2 different sources and I must say that both tapes have better quality than the boot CD. The tape I have now is a mixing desk tape but lost some quality during the times It must have been a mad brain who made this CD :-((( Bernhard From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Dec 24 06:08:53 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 22:08:53 +1100 Subject: TEST(Do Not Read)Its your loss if you don't read Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > >At 12:14 AM 12/24/96 -0500, you wrote: > >>This is only a test. > >> > >>Sorry if you find this dull, but after all you were warned. > >> > >I found your test to be very inspirational and I am looking forward to > >seeing more of your work. If you have any private work you'd wish to display > >please do. > >I am an afficionado of your work. > > I received some e-mail from Doug Smith, he says Dave has read the message > and is very keen on using it as lyrics on a song on the hawks will be performing > in the U.S. and Australia this tour. If you agree, let Star Rats know and > you can > expect to collect royalties (until, of course, it is recredited to Ron or > Dave in a > future live album). I just spoke to Nik about doing a "heavy" version of the song with all the ex-Hawk members. No copyright problems, you understand. They're planning to to a sonic attack-like version. "This is only a test this is only a test Do not panic You will find this dull Do not panic You have been warned" Expect to see it on Nik's new album "The Ten Seconds of the Past or This Future?" It should be a cracker.... - Max Wilcox "Emisary of Christopher Van Globule" From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Dec 24 06:17:26 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 22:17:26 +1100 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: This is a little question that has come to me in a little bit of a drunken stupor on this fine XMass eve. Who do people think are the REAL Hawkwind band at the moment? It is my instinctual reaction to go for Nik Turner, as his "Past or Future" album contained (what I believe are) the primary HW members, excepting Brock. The sound is much more what I think HW should be, and they seem to have more of the HW philosophy than do those Alien4 chappies. By philosophy I mean doing lots of gigs, with lots of groovy things, lots of lights, drugs, and that sort of thing (Notice I've got the lingo down...) This is not to say that I think that the "official" Hawks are bad, but rather that the "true" spirit (of the age?) is embodied in Nik's troupe. In fact, I quite like HW at the moment, but it's a bit like the situation with Pink Floyd at the moment (ie. Are they the "real" Floyd?) This sort of discussion can become quite self-defeating, but I feel it is my duty, as protectorate master of the fifth infinite, to get it out in the open. What do other people think, regarding this? -Max Wilcox (PS. I had to get this sillyness off my chest - I've been waiting all year to get that out...) From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Dec 24 08:04:04 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 13:04:04 UT Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: Well, I grew up regarding the "primary" Hawkwind members as Dave, Bob, Nik, Lemmy, and Simon K, and (at the time) felt that the post-'Lords line-up wasn't *really* Hawkwind. Then again, I support Crystal Palace FC (for my sins), and since Nigel Martyn went off to Leeds, we don't have a single member left of our 1990 Cup Final team. Is it still Palace? :) This is getting dangerously close to the realms of what marketing people call "branding"... Didn't Simon House once try and assert rights to the name "Hawkwind"? And didn't Baker try and steal the brand and tour as "Ginger Baker's Hawkwind" (or was that just a nasty rumour)? And recall how BOC's lawyers jumped on Joe when his promoters billed him as "Joe Bouchard's Blue Oyster Cult" (or something like that)? Course, this can lead to ludicrous situations like "Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe", which sounds more like an advertising agency than a band. Whatever! Happy holidays, - Andy ObCDof theyear: Wayne Kramer - _Dangerous Madness_ Obrunnerup: Moby - _Animal Rights_ From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Tue Dec 24 07:57:32 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 23:57:32 +1100 Subject: A Merry Hawkmass Message-ID: Well, five minutes till midnight, so I thought I'd wish everyone a very merry Hawkmass and a very spacey new year (particularly for us OzHawks here in Aust...) -Max Wilcox From clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG Tue Dec 24 12:13:40 1996 From: clore at COLUMBIA-CENTER.ORG (Dan Clore) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 09:13:40 -0800 Subject: OFF: Balthazar Message-ID: When Balthazar, least thoughtful of the three Wisemen, gave his myrrh to the baby Jesus, he said: "Now, this is your birthday *and* Christmas present. . . ." -- Dan Clore The Website of Lord We?rdgliffe: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/ Welcome to the Waughters . . . From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Tue Dec 24 08:09:59 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 13:09:59 -0000 Subject: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: i do not actually enjoy talking about this subject,but i think nik should retire,or at least go to only writing. i saw last years tour,and i thought it was pretty damned good.except for nik's voice. the band was not really a classic line up.nik,len,and del.len and del appeared because they had nothing else to do.simon house was pretty near irrelevant.a bunch of nice guys,but who needs a nostalgia band? the new material is not worthy of the hawkwind name. brockwind,while it has its problems,is a logical progression of style.they still touch on the old stuff,but at least they are putting out new material.i dont know if you are aware,but nik really had very little to do with the last annubislights disc.the material was all finished and they sent it to him for him to add his vocal tracks...least thats the way i heard it. the 'official' hw is the one for me,no question.i prefer high energy at shows. i think i'll shut up now. merry,merry... rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Tue Dec 24 08:15:25 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 13:15:25 -0000 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: > Didn't Simon House once try and assert rights to the name "Hawkwind"? And > didn't Baker try and steal the brand and tour as "Ginger Baker's Hawkwind" (or > was that just a nasty rumour)? And recall how BOC's lawyers jumped on Joe > when his promoters billed him as "Joe Bouchard's Blue Oyster Cult" (or > something like that)? simon house having a claim to the name is a joke. ginger baker wanted to take brock,himself,jack bruce,and i think one other member of hw,and form a "supergroup" that's why they gave him the boot. > Course, this can lead to ludicrous situations like "Anderson Bruford Wakeman > Howe", which sounds more like an advertising agency than a band. i believe with all my heart that the whole abw&h/yes thing was a carefully planned marketing strategy. the big fight,then the joint tour.i saw em all.twice.and of course abw&h left out the best part of their setup, tony levin. > Whatever! echoed and endorsed. > Happy holidays, ditto > Obrunnerup: Moby - _Animal Rights_ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Dec 24 12:26:45 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 17:26:45 +0000 Subject: hw In-Reply-To: <32BC1CCD.2FC9@micron.net> Message-ID: In message <32BC1CCD.2FC9 at micron.net>, Cliff & Pam Wheaton writes >>Look out for NetHawks T-Shirts >Are these available?? Is there any way to purchase one of these?? >Pam There were some made a couple of years ago. I've been on the list over a year now and I *still* don't have one :( Every now and then someone asks and it's talked about running off a few more for us newcomers, but as we are beholden upon the charity of Them- Who-Came-Before, we wait patiently for the day when we too might wear the T of Truth! Until then, I will continue to wear my Primal Scream T- Shirt at gigs where I expect to meet Netheads as it's the loudest T I own. -- Jon Browne From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Tue Dec 24 14:33:09 1996 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 12:33:09 -0700 Subject: OFF: Balthazar Message-ID: Dan Clore wrote: > > When Balthazar, least thoughtful of the three Wisemen, gave his myrrh to > the baby Jesus, he said: "Now, this is your birthday *and* Christmas > present. . . ." Gee...that happens to me all the time..... Pam Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace Jon Browne wrote: > > In message <32BC1CCD.2FC9 at micron.net>, Cliff & Pam Wheaton > writes > >>Look out for NetHawks T-Shirts > >Are these available?? Is there any way to purchase one of these?? > >Pam > > There were some made a couple of years ago. I've been on the list over a > year now and I *still* don't have one :( > > Every now and then someone asks and it's talked about running off a few > more for us newcomers, but as we are beholden upon the charity of Them- > Who-Came-Before, we wait patiently for the day when we too might wear > the T of Truth! Until then, I will continue to wear my Primal Scream T- > Shirt at gigs where I expect to meet Netheads as it's the loudest T I > own. > -- > Jon Browne Hi! Bummer. I am starting a (small) collection of these style of shirts. It'd be cool to have the only ones in Boise!!! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > > When Balthazar, least thoughtful of the three Wisemen, gave his myrrh to > the baby Jesus, he said: "Now, this is your birthday *and* Christmas > present. . . ." Gee...that happens to me all the time..... Pam yes,my wife gets the same deal.but i always get her a slew of presents,and she gets to open whichever she wants on dec. 22,her birthday,and save the others for the 24th. rj ---------- From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Dec 25 07:59:02 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 23:59:02 +1100 Subject: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: RJ wrote: > > i do not actually enjoy talking about this subject,but i think nik should > retire,or at least go to only writing. > i saw last years tour,and i thought it was pretty damned good.except for > nik's voice. > the band was not really a classic line up.nik,len,and del.len and del > appeared because they had nothing else to do.simon house was pretty near > irrelevant.a bunch of nice guys,but who needs a nostalgia band? > the new material is not worthy of the hawkwind name. Simon House irrelevant?!?!?! Blasphemy!!! I haven't -seen- them live, but I've got almost everything they've released on CD from the recent concerts - and the Spiral Realms end of things I think is bloody brilliant. Pressurehead, I don't like solo, but they seem to do alright when they're with Nik. OK, well there's one exception to this, which is Profits of Time (purposeful mis-spelling). This was crap, but I'm not sure, but I don't think that Simon or Del were involved with this. I may be wrong on this account. > brockwind,while it has its problems,is a logical progression of style.they > still touch on the old stuff,but > at least they are putting out new material. Listening to Space Ritual, and then throwing on Alien4, for me doesn't imply a -very logical- progression. It's certainly a progression, but a logical one? I'm not saying (as I said before) that I don't like the new stuff, but I think it's quite a bit removed from what HW used to be. Yes, bands have to change, progress, etc, but it's a question of which direction they progress in. > i dont know if you are aware,but > nik really had very little to do with the last annubislights disc.the > material was all finished and they sent it to him for him to add > his vocal tracks...least thats the way i heard it. Unless I'm grossly mistaken, I believe you are talking about the Sphynx CD that was a re-done version of the old one, which has nothing to do with Anubian Lights. Anubian Lights is an official, new, with Nik, recording. Admittedly, Nik doesn't write on all of the songs, but then... I guess it's a question of wether you like all of that electronic, ambienty sort of stuff. I hated it untill I heard the Amubian Lights stuff. It's a different genre than the space rock stuff, so I guess that it's not surprising that some won't like it as much. > the 'official' hw is the one for me,no question.i prefer high energy at > shows. Well, I won't be able to argue with this until (hopefully) the middle of next year when they're coming to Australia. But, jusdgin from the live recordings Love in Space and Past or Future, I'd be more likely to go with Nik. High energy at the shows? Wop on the Silver Machine from Past or Future, for some high energy..... Merry Crass-mass, and all that sort of thing... -Max Wilcox From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Dec 25 00:33:20 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 00:33:20 -0500 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: YOUR dunk duriunk you silly old fool until you cannott see the Hawkewind band was here for you on Christmas Wendneday As I walked homr from the treminal I thought of Davee zBrockk but he was never as fucked up as Nik-man ever was I love everybody Merry Xmas burp Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Dec 25 00:43:03 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 00:43:03 -0500 Subject: MERRY XMAS Message-ID: I,m coming in from a renote compuserverve link, man. This is quite a trip for a unix geek. Niks great and Dave is too. Ltes hope they get it toigether in '97. They mboth might be warriors on the edge of time but we need somr good music now BLANGA BLANGA BLAGA HAPPY NEW YEAR MARTYN From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Dec 25 13:06:58 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 05:06:58 +1100 Subject: MERRY XMAS Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > > I,m coming in from a renote > compuserverve link, man. This is quite a trip for > a unix geek. Niks great and Dave is too. Ltes hope > they get it toigether in '97. They mboth might be warriors > on > the edge of time but we need somr good music now > > BLANGA BLANGA BLAGA > HAPPY NEW YEAR This is what I like to see! Alcohol and the net, no better combination - if only one could hit the keys with greater ease. Perhaps they should make a drunkards keyboard - by Alcohsoft. My personal belief is that Nik and Dave should get sloshed together and make up, right in time for the new year:------- "your my besht frend, daavvee...." "sho are you, nik..." "yeh...lesh get togefer an make an album about a drunk egyptian shpace traveller who..." "who goesh into shpace???" "YEH!!" Err. I think the alcohol motif has run it's course so I'll shut up now... -Max "Welcome to the squalor show!!!Watch out for that shit on the floor!!!!" Wilcox From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Dec 25 13:17:19 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 05:17:19 +1100 Subject: Merry Calvmass Message-ID: YOu can call me a drunken swine because I like drinking wine but I'm not realy drunk all the time I was sober when I made up this rhyme. There's moonshine in the mountains and it's goin so cheap so grab yourself a bucket a still's waters run deep There's an injun who married a squaw whose feet they were size twenty-four I'll tell you what he marridged her for if you help me get up from this floor. There's moonshine in the mountains and it's goin so cheap so grab yourself a bucket a still's water runs deep. Well the reason this redsking got wed to his freak footed bride like I said has completely gone out of my head won't you please pass that bottle instead There's moonshine in the mountains and it's goin so cheap so grab yourself a bucket a still's water runs deep. I remember it much better now it had somethin to do with a cow she could milk it with one foot an plough with the other ... no that aint right somehow There's moonshine in the mountains and it's goin so cheap so grab yourself a bucket a still's water runs deep. I recall that they both came to town she was wearing a buffalo gown and her old man when he saw my frown said she's great when she treads them grapes down There's moonshine in the mountains and it's goin so cheap so grab yourself a bucket a still's water runs deep. Merry, for the last time, Calvmass. -Max From des at ONYX.INTERACTIVE.NET Wed Dec 25 03:19:32 1996 From: des at ONYX.INTERACTIVE.NET (E F) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 03:19:32 -0500 Subject: TEST(Do Not Read)Its your loss if you don't read In-Reply-To: <32BFB9C5.7C6F@student.uq.edu.au> from "Max Wilcox" at Dec 24, 96 10:08:53 pm Message-ID: > > Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > > > >At 12:14 AM 12/24/96 -0500, you wrote: > > >>This is only a test. > > >> > > >>Sorry if you find this dull, but after all you were warned. > > >> > > >I found your test to be very inspirational and I am looking forward to > > >seeing more of your work. If you have any private work you'd wish to display > > >please do. > > >I am an afficionado of your work. You are obviously a wise and enlightened individual. Sadly I do not have any more text to share at this time but I am working on some art work entitled "Test: Do Not View" when it is complete perhaps you can find time to look at it. > > > > I received some e-mail from Doug Smith, he says Dave has read the message > > and is very keen on using it as lyrics on a song on the hawks will be performing > > in the U.S. and Australia this tour. If you agree, let Star Rats know and > > you can > > expect to collect royalties (until, of course, it is recredited to Ron or > > Dave in a > > future live album). Really I'd be happy just to get the liner credits, Ron and Dave could probably use the money more than me any way. > I just spoke to Nik about doing a "heavy" version of the song with all > the ex-Hawk members. No copyright problems, you understand. They're > planning to to a sonic attack-like version. > > "This is only a test > this is only a test > Do not panic > You will find this dull > Do not panic > You have been warned" > > Expect to see it on Nik's new album "The Ten Seconds of the Past or > This Future?" It should be a cracker.... > > - Max Wilcox "Emisary of Christopher Van Globule" > Ummm, will there be an accent on the beat on 'warned'?? if so then OK. :-) Best, --Eric From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Dec 25 09:11:51 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 01:11:51 +1100 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks In-Reply-To: <32BFBBC6.7C06@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Dec 1996, Max Wilcox wrote: > This is a little question that has come to me in a little bit of a > drunken stupor on this fine XMass eve. > Who do people think are the REAL Hawkwind band at the moment? It is my > instinctual reaction to go for Nik Turner, as his "Past or Future" album > contained (what I believe are) the primary HW members, excepting Brock. > The sound is much more what I think HW should be, and they seem to have > more of the HW philosophy than do those Alien4 chappies. By philosophy I > mean doing lots of gigs, with lots of groovy things, lots of lights, > drugs, and that sort of thing (Notice I've got the lingo down...) > This is not to say that I think that the "official" Hawks are bad, but > rather that the "true" spirit (of the age?) is embodied in Nik's troupe. > In fact, I quite like HW at the moment, but it's a bit like the > situation with Pink Floyd at the moment (ie. Are they the "real" Floyd?) > This sort of discussion can become quite self-defeating, but I feel it > is my duty, as protectorate master of the fifth infinite, to get it out > in the open. > What do other people think, regarding this? I agree Max baby. Troy ObCD- Anubian Lights; Eternal Sky From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Dec 25 09:47:11 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 09:47:11 -0500 Subject: Apologies Message-ID: Postings from someone with a bottle of rum and no backspace key are probably not very interesting. Oh well merry xmas Martyn From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Dec 25 08:11:26 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 13:11:26 -0000 Subject: HW:Re: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: Maxine: remember,you started this. ;) i try to avoid bringing up topics like this ,as there are so many strong oppinions out there,its almost like politics or religion...;) > Simon House irrelevant?!?!?! Blasphemy!!! I haven't -seen- them live, > but I've got almost everything they've released on CD from the recent > concerts - and the Spiral Realms end of things I think is bloody > brilliant. Pressurehead, I don't like solo, but they seem to do alright > when they're with Nik. simon is fine on the studio stuff.by irrelevant,i mean that when they can FIND him to get him on the stage,you can hardly hear him.i tried to speak with him before the philly gig last year,and he was unable to form complete sentences.im sure simon is very intelligent,but at the time he was only so much toast. not saying i've never been there,but i have never been there when people were out of there way to see me. he was only on the stage for a couple of tunes,and like i said he mayas well not have been. as for the members of pressurehead,i cant stand them as a band,but loved them with nik. > OK, well there's one exception to this, which is Profits of Time > (purposeful mis-spelling). This was crap, but I'm not sure, but I don't > think that Simon or Del were involved with this. I may be wrong on this > account. profits of time- nik,helios,simon,del rio,grenas,fox,genisis,shelley,labelle,and welsh. people must think im strange,but i love this album! its not hawkwind,but it is very cool IMO.(except for that silliness about the alien-abducted indian guy.) > > brockwind,while it has its problems,is a logical progression of style.they > > still touch on the old stuff,but > > at least they are putting out new material. > > Listening to Space Ritual, and then throwing on Alien4, for me doesn't > imply a -very logical- progression. It's certainly a progression, but a > logical one? yes, but it didnt go from spaceritual to alien four. there are entire worlds between. and the two people who initiated the most drastic changes are calvert and turner. im not slandering anyone, but look at astounding sounds and hawklords for calvert changes. no resemblance to spaceritual type whatsoever. and nik got so silly in the early 80's that several members said "its him or me". and nik just doesn't want to be hawkwind.he (from talking to him) prefers to keep that as a project sort of thing,and much prefers to work with his several other bands. (punk and jazz) > I'm not saying (as I said before) that I don't like the new stuff, but > I think it's quite a bit removed from what HW used to be. Yes, bands > have to change, progress, etc, but it's a question of which direction > they progress in. dont mean to be insulting by this,but do you like hw because you love what they play,or because they play what you love? to me, hw is a ride,a starship of which i am definitely not the captain. i just fasten my seatbelt and let them take me where they will. i am not >completely< satisfied with the way things are going,but what the hell. > Unless I'm grossly mistaken, I believe you are talking about the Sphynx > CD that was a re-done version of the old one, which has nothing to do > with Anubian Lights. Anubian Lights is an official, new, with Nik, > recording. Admittedly, Nik doesn't write on all of the songs, but > then... no, i am talking about anubian lights,eternal sky. according to cleopatra,the music tracks were recorded in the studio,and sent to nik for him to add his bits on. > I guess it's a question of wether you like all of that electronic, > ambienty sort of stuff. I hated it untill I heard the Amubian Lights > stuff. It's a different genre than the space rock stuff, so I guess that > it's not surprising that some won't like it as much. i never said i dint like it. i bought it after hearing it twice.i love it. but it doesnt remotely compare to HW. > > the 'official' hw is the one for me,no question.i prefer high energy at > > shows. > > Well, I won't be able to argue with this until (hopefully) the middle > of next year when they're coming to Australia. But, jusdgin from the > live recordings Love in Space and Past or Future, I'd be more likely to > go with Nik. both are pretty much as you would see them live.so its just a matter of what ya like. but love in space is packed with new surprises, and the only new surprises on past or future,are songs by or from the non hw members. > High energy at the shows? Wop on the Silver Machine from Past or > Future, for some high energy..... aaargh! i cringe every time i hear that song done by anybody! and i think nik does it worst of all. it (IMO,of course) was a cancerous growth on an otherwise beautiful show in niks past or present tour. i think the only two people who ever did it justice were brock and lemmy. brock has the good sense these days not to try,and lemmy is gone... nik just can't handle the vocals. hurts my ears just thinking about it. > Merry Crass-mass, and all that sort of thing... happy-happy.... rj > -Max Wilcox From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Dec 25 08:14:05 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 13:14:05 -0000 Subject: MERRY XMAS Message-ID: this would be cool,i think. i think.... who knows? now that they are both in the same tree...... rj , December 25, 1996 5:43 AM > > I,m coming in from a renote > compuserverve link, man. This is quite a trip for > a unix geek. Niks great and Dave is too. Ltes hope > they get it toigether in '97. They mboth might be warriors > on > the edge of time but we need somr good music now > > BLANGA BLANGA BLAGA > HAPPY NEW YEAR > > > > MARTYN From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Wed Dec 25 08:19:08 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 13:19:08 -0000 Subject: HW:Re: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: > > High energy at the shows? Wop on the Silver Machine from Past or > > Future, for some high energy..... > duh- i wanted to say in the other reply that my idea of high energy is sputnik stan and lsd, aero-spaceage inferno,and secret agent..... rj From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Wed Dec 25 19:17:44 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 11:17:44 +1100 Subject: HW:Re: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: RJ wrote: > Maxine: remember,you started this. ;) First thing I feel I should point out, my name's Max, as in the male name - I believe there is (or was) a Maxine on the list, but that is not I. Just felt I should point out. Feel free to call me Maxine, though, just as long as you don't think you're addressing another person of a similar name (and dissimilar sex). > i try to avoid bringing up topics like this ,as there are so many strong > oppinions out there,its > almost like politics or religion...;) I'd agree there. It realy comes down to a game of saying "I like this", "well I don't", etc. It's realy just opinions, but I still find it interesting as long as there are interesting points made instead of just saying "well I don't like that" etc. SNIP>>> > simon is fine on the studio stuff.by irrelevant,i mean that when they can > FIND him to get him on the stage,you can hardly hear him.i tried to speak > with him before the philly gig last year,and he was unable > to form complete sentences.im sure simon is very intelligent,but at the > time he was only so much toast. > not saying i've never been there,but i have never been there when people > were out of there way to see me. > he was only on the stage for a couple of tunes,and like i said he mayas > well not have been. > as for the members of pressurehead,i cant stand them as a band,but > loved them with nik. Well, I can't commenet on them live, as I have said, but you can hear Simon in the live albums. As to playing not much - well, it must change with each concert. I don't know the exact details of it, but a lot of the material from "Past or Future?" and Spiral Realms' "Solar Wind" are drawn from the same concerts: The Great American Music Hall, The Fox Theater. I don't know wether they play separately, as a support band kind of thing or just in between the Nik numbers, but there still seems to be a bit of music there. As for not hearing him - perhaps it was a bad night? Bad PA? Who knows, but, again, the live albums don't show this up. Totaly agree on the Pressurehead front, by the way. SNIPETY>>>> > yes, but it didnt go from spaceritual to alien four. there are entire > worlds between. and the two people > who initiated the most drastic changes are calvert and turner. im not > slandering anyone, but look at astounding sounds and hawklords for calvert > changes. no resemblance to spaceritual type whatsoever. > and nik got so silly in the early 80's that several members said "its him > or me". Well, the Calvert changes are not only obvious, but also bloody briliant ones, but I'd say that the changes that Nik instigated are less easily seen. I'd agree that Nik got a bit silly in the 80s, perhaps from too much ICU? Nut that was a good thing, I think. Looking at the Solstice video, seeing Nik with his shark (or whatever it is) hairstyle, was great. A great frontman, but still second best to Calvert, of course. Dave can beat out a tune, but he's not an overly good performer. But then again, I guess he's not trying to be... > and nik just doesn't want to be hawkwind.he (from talking to him) prefers > to keep that as a project > sort of thing,and much prefers to work with his several other bands. (punk > and jazz) Which sounds like a very good idea. That's another thing I like very much about Nik's work - he works in many different genres of music - ICU was fantastic, Anubian etc... > dont mean to be insulting by this,but do you like hw because you love what > they play,or because they play what you love? to me, hw is a ride,a > starship of which i am definitely not the captain. i just fasten > my seatbelt and let them take me where they will. > i am not >completely< satisfied with the way things are going,but what the > hell. It's definately a combination of both - I wouldn't like it if I didn't like what they play (realy???), which in turn creates a notion of what I love. I'd agree with the "fasten my seatbelt", but only up to a point. I mean, if they started to sing Maddona songs, mixed in the a Pet Shop Boys sort of sound, I think I'd have to use my ejector seat. > > Unless I'm grossly mistaken, I believe you are talking about the > Sphynx > > CD that was a re-done version of the old one, which has nothing to do > > with Anubian Lights. Anubian Lights is an official, new, with Nik, > > recording. Admittedly, Nik doesn't write on all of the songs, but > > then... > > no, i am talking about anubian lights,eternal sky. according to > cleopatra,the music tracks were > recorded in the studio,and sent to nik for him to add his bits on. Well, Nik plays the fluets and the sax, as well, which would be difficult (but not impossible) to overdub on some of the tracks. Does this go for Del and Simon, too. I'd find that a bit dificult to believe. Not that it would lose out that much to do it this way, though. Electronic music isn't cut in exactly the same way as other music is. > i never said i dint like it. i bought it after hearing it twice.i love it. > but it doesnt remotely compare to HW. Ah, I see, sorry about misinterpreting your words, then... SNIPERLY SNIP>>>> > > High energy at the shows? Wop on the Silver Machine from Past or > > Future, for some high energy..... > > aaargh! i cringe every time i hear that song done by anybody! and i think > nik does it worst of all. > it (IMO,of course) was a cancerous growth on an otherwise beautiful show in > niks past or present tour. > i think the only two people who ever did it justice were brock and lemmy. > brock has the good sense these days not to try,and lemmy is gone... nik > just can't handle the vocals. hurts my ears just thinking about it. Well, I bet (well, I won't bet, but it's not that likely, then) you haven't heard Calvert's "Silver Machine Blues": "A big hit in the blues clubs in the thirties". Now, that's a REAL version of the song. Anyway, your right - it all comes down to the individual's taste. -Max Wilcox From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 26 14:04:41 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 19:04:41 GMT Subject: hw In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Tue, 24 Dec 1996 17:26:45 +0000 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > Every now and then someone asks and it's talked about running off a few > more for us newcomers, but as we are beholden upon the charity of Them- > Who-Came-Before, we wait patiently for the day when we too might wear > the T of Truth! Until then, I will continue to wear my Primal Scream T- > Shirt at gigs where I expect to meet Netheads as it's the loudest T I > own. > -- I can get a run of a dozen printed. How much interest is there? FoFP From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Dec 26 15:05:33 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 15:05:33 -0500 Subject: hw Message-ID: FoFP writes: > Jon Browne writes: > > > Every now and then someone asks and it's talked about running off a few > > more for us newcomers, but as we are beholden upon the charity of Them- > > Who-Came-Before, we wait patiently for the day when we too might wear > > the T of Truth! Until then, I will continue to wear my Primal Scream T- > > Shirt at gigs where I expect to meet Netheads as it's the loudest T I > > own. > > -- > > I can get a run of a dozen printed. How much interest is there? Speaking as one of Them-Who-Came-Before, let me point out that there are actually *two* designs of NetHawks t-shirt: a full-colour HW/BOC-rich content one, and another B&W mostly-HW content one. Probably Mike is talking about the latter, as that is the one whose production he supervised in the past (and for which he owns the screens). In fact, I still have the WWW page I made up for the last print run, to let folks see what the t-shirt looks like. Those interested should point their browsers at this URL: http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/paul/t-shirt.html Btw, the WWW page refers to the *previous* print run. There is not, I repeat not, a current print run, though I do advise those interested to contact Mike to apprise him of your interest. Cheers, Paul. From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Thu Dec 26 16:43:28 1996 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 14:43:28 -0700 Subject: hw Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > Jon Browne writes: > > > Every now and then someone asks and it's talked about running off a few > > more for us newcomers, but as we are beholden upon the charity of Them- > > Who-Came-Before, we wait patiently for the day when we too might wear > > the T of Truth! Until then, I will continue to wear my Primal Scream T- > > Shirt at gigs where I expect to meet Netheads as it's the loudest T I > > own. > > -- > > I can get a run of a dozen printed. How much interest is there? I'm interested-how much for one?? Pam > > FoFP -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace > First thing I feel I should point out, my name's Max, as in the male > name - I believe there is (or was) a Maxine on the list, but that is not > I. Just felt I should point out. Feel free to call me Maxine, though, > just as long as you don't think you're addressing another person of a > similar name (and dissimilar sex). och! i am very sorry about this,i got you confused with maxine wesley,whose website i visited recently! > Well, I can't commenet on them live, as I have said, but you can hear > Simon in the live albums. As to playing not much - well, it must change > with each concert. I don't know the exact details of it, but a lot of > the material from "Past or Future?" and Spiral Realms' "Solar Wind" are > drawn from the same concerts: The Great American Music Hall, The Fox > Theater. I don't know wether they play separately, as a support band > kind of thing or just in between the Nik numbers, but there still seems > to be a bit of music there. i know absolutely nothing about spiral realms. i skipped that part of the shows. spiral realms is simons band,they play,and then simon was supposed to join nik onstage for spiral galaxy and a couple other numbers. but he took the stage too late at one of the gigs (the limelite i believe,) then ya couldnt hear him.i was only pointing out - ya brought up something to the effect of nik having more early members,and i just dont think you can include simon in that,because he was really only a guest. > As for not hearing him - perhaps it was a bad night? Bad PA? Who knows, > but, again, the live albums don't show this up. > Totaly agree on the Pressurehead front, by the way. could be. butagian,i wasn't trying to criticize the quality of his input,just the quantity of his input. > Well, the Calvert changes are not only obvious, but also bloody > briliant ones, but I'd say that the changes that Nik instigated are less > easily seen. I'd agree that Nik got a bit silly in the 80s, perhaps from > too much ICU? Nut that was a good thing, I think. Looking at the > Solstice video, seeing Nik with his shark (or whatever it is) hairstyle, > was great. A great frontman, but still second best to Calvert, of > course. Dave can beat out a tune, but he's not an overly good performer. > But then again, I guess he's not trying to be... i like the calvert changes. i was just pointing out that they are drastic ones.nothing at all like the space ritual. as for nik's, i hated them,and they were painfully obvious to me.but more importantly, the band didnt like them.huw believed that nik was spoiling his leads with that sax from hell. and the others just didnt like the direction they were going. i like a good front man. but nik doest fit that description imo. its just silliness to me. codpieces and hairdos,and weird robot moves. > > and nik just doesn't want to be hawkwind.he (from talking to him) prefers > > to keep that as a project > > sort of thing,and much prefers to work with his several other bands. (punk > > and jazz) > > Which sounds like a very good idea. That's another thing I like very > much about Nik's work - he works in many different genres of music - ICU > was fantastic, Anubian etc... no prob there,but yer question was which was the real hw,and since nik's hw is not a real band,but a part-time project..... > It's definately a combination of both - I wouldn't like it if I didn't > like what they play (realy???), which in turn creates a notion of what I > love. I'd agree with the "fasten my seatbelt", but only up to a point. I > mean, if they started to sing Maddona songs, mixed in the a Pet Shop > Boys sort of sound, I think I'd have to use my ejector seat. of course you are right,but since that hasnt happened ( i havent heard them break into material girl yet) i'll stay. i mean,they are not playing exactly what i want to hear,but it is still great. > Well, Nik plays the fluets and the sax, as well, which would be > difficult (but not impossible) to overdub on some of the tracks. Does > this go for Del and Simon, too. I'd find that a bit dificult to believe. > Not that it would lose out that much to do it this way, though. > Electronic music isn't cut in exactly the same way as other music is. i dont see why it would be difficult,its just dubbing. but i was only talking about nik,as thats all i heard. and i was only indicating that they dont spend hours in the basement studio together jamming. > Well, I bet (well, I won't bet, but it's not that likely, then) you > haven't heard Calvert's "Silver Machine Blues": "A big hit in the blues > clubs in the thirties". Now, that's a REAL version of the song. > Anyway, your right - it all comes down to the individual's taste. shoulda placed that bet,you'd have won.but i dont think im likely to see bob do it live (ALIVE). but-the thing is,no one doing it NOW does it well (as always,IMO). i would love to hear bob's version sometime,but other than that i dont care to hear the tune ever again. sorry about all the misunderstandings, hoping i havent created new ones. ;) rj From chrisr at TIAC.NET Thu Dec 26 20:03:32 1996 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (CHRIS RAYMOND) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 17:03:32 -0800 Subject: Nethawk T Message-ID: Hello, I would certainly interested in owning a Nethawk T-shirt of my very own. And I would take real good care of it too. Thanks, Chris From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Dec 26 23:46:43 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 23:46:43 -0500 Subject: hw Message-ID: >Jon Browne writes: > >> Every now and then someone asks and it's talked about running off a few >> more for us newcomers, but as we are beholden upon the charity of Them- >> Who-Came-Before, we wait patiently for the day when we too might wear >> the T of Truth! Until then, I will continue to wear my Primal Scream T- >> Shirt at gigs where I expect to meet Netheads as it's the loudest T I >> own. >> -- > >I can get a run of a dozen printed. How much interest is there? Count me in for at least one. . =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater, Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Amtgard) http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From ToneDef2 at AOL.COM Fri Dec 27 02:10:39 1996 From: ToneDef2 at AOL.COM (ToneDef2 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 02:10:39 -0500 Subject: Nethawk T Message-ID: Yup, I want one too. Matt From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Dec 27 03:40:41 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 03:40:41 -0500 Subject: Nethawk T Message-ID: And very good Ts they are. The word went out and so did the shirts, a few millenia ago. I got several and am very happy with them. Also I got a few from a different consortium that had a big airplane flying over stonehenge. But as I remember they did not get universal acceptance upon the list. Anyway since its up for discussion, a BOC-L shirt should and must be appropriate apparrel for any BOC or HW concert into which one has wondered whilst not wearing a LAB COAT. In Charllottesville (VA) where I find myself right now, they have a store that sells lab coats that have been tie-died. Advertized as "Dr. Garcia", they sell for $70.00 Has the world gone mad or is it me ? Martyn From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 27 07:58:25 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 12:58:25 +0000 Subject: hw In-Reply-To: <9612261904.aa07089@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9612261904.aa07089 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >Jon Browne writes: > >> Every now and then someone asks and it's talked about running off a few >> more for us newcomers, but as we are beholden upon the charity of Them- >> Who-Came-Before, we wait patiently for the day when we too might wear >> the T of Truth! Until then, I will continue to wear my Primal Scream T- >> Shirt at gigs where I expect to meet Netheads as it's the loudest T I >> own. >> -- > >I can get a run of a dozen printed. How much interest is there? > >FoFP Well,*I* want one!!!!!! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Dec 27 08:13:59 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 13:13:59 +0000 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Troy Harris writes > I agree Max baby. > > Troy I'm not going to get drawn on this because I've seen the carnage it creates (but RJ's right actually) :)) -- Jon Browne From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Fri Dec 27 08:04:29 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 13:04:29 -0000 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: Jon Browne said,with a bit of stealth: > I'm not going to get drawn on this because I've seen the carnage it > creates (but RJ's right actually) :)) of course i am! ;-D no one can be wrong in a discussion based on what its participants like and dislike! we're all right. we're alright. we're all,right? still everyone likes to be agreed with now and then. =) rj > Jon Browne From cwheaton at MICRON.NET Fri Dec 27 12:20:12 1996 From: cwheaton at MICRON.NET (Cliff & Pam Wheaton) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 10:20:12 -0700 Subject: Nethawk T Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > > And very good Ts they are. The word went out and so did > the shirts, a few millenia ago. I got several and am very happy > with them. Also I got a few from a different consortium that > had a big airplane flying over stonehenge. But as I remember > they did not get universal acceptance upon the list. Anyway > since its up for discussion, a BOC-L shirt should and must be > appropriate apparrel for any BOC or HW concert into which one > has wondered whilst not wearing a LAB COAT. I agree! It should also be appropriate cab driving apperal! > > In Charllottesville (VA) where I find myself right now, > they have a store that sells lab coats that have been tie-died. > Advertized as "Dr. Garcia", they sell for $70.00 Strange! > > Has the world gone mad or is it me ? I think the world has gone mad-we are the sane ones! heehe! Pam -- Pam Wheaton Cliff Wheaton _____/----^---\____ The greatest tool for world peace >Well, > >The end of the year approaches (tomorrow is my last day) and I start a new >job in the New Year. Unfortunately, as I will be working for an Internet >provider it may no longer be possible for me subscribe to mailing lists. > >In the event that this is the case (hopefully it will not be!) many thanks >for the information and entertaining discussions over the last few months. > >Merry Christmas, Happy New year. > >Mike P *snif* it looks dreary as I approach the new year weary, jobless and wasted from all the poison I've tasted... er, my little poem for '96. It looks as if I won't be around on BOC-L either - unless I find another job with internet access like Mike P.... So, I might disappear from BOC-L altogether now! Oh well, Santa didn't give me a PC this year - so - unless I return soon - I'll be back.... someday!! So far, I gotta say, it's been fun - thanks! Happy holidays, y'all! (for all I know I'll pop back up in february...) Christian From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Fri Dec 27 18:01:19 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 00:01:19 +0100 Subject: Nethawk T Message-ID: Me too please!!!! Christian (christmu at login.eunet.no) From christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO Fri Dec 27 18:08:01 1996 From: christian.mumford at LOGIN.EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 00:08:01 +0100 Subject: HW: on Alice Cooper's infomercial! Message-ID: Yes, finally I get to hear Hawkwind on TV! There's this ludicrous infomercial with Alice Cooper selling an 18 (!) CD set of 'rock classics' - and the usual live version of Silver Machine is there amongst the driftwood of hard rock. Funny hearing Cooper saying 'Hawkwind!'.... he keeps putting in wise-ass or just stupid comments on every band, except them... Christian From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Dec 28 01:30:37 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 01:30:37 -0500 Subject: Nethawk T Message-ID: On 27-DEC-1996 03:46:26.0 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Has the world gone mad or is it me ? >Martyn Not sure. Maybe both. BTW, how much are these T-shirts? Chuck `[1;32;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sat Dec 28 02:24:22 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 02:24:22 -0500 Subject: Nethawk T Message-ID: >Status: R > >On 27-DEC-1996 03:46:26.0 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 > >Has the world gone mad or is it me ? > >Martyn > >Not sure. Maybe both. BTW, how much are these T-shirts? >Chuc Hey!!! mebbee I heard that question in a song somewhere :-) In any case, I would not presume to speak for the T-dealers on the list but in the last cut, the price to quality ratio was very very low. Mr. T-dealer may well find that his offer of a run of a dozen may be a vast underestimate. In fact, offering such an offer might well be a more indicative sign of intoxication than my ramblings on Xmas day :-) but then again, I hear thars sum good drugs in EdnBra :-) ;-) Martyn (Climbing the walls and dredging the bogs until TRAINSPOTTING comes out - I read the book but aint seen the movie. If the US video release has Renton talking in an American accent, I am going to start xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx .. Sorry too demanding I am!) From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Dec 28 02:24:46 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 18:24:46 +1100 Subject: Nethawk T In-Reply-To: <32C32063.4815@tiac.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Dec 1996, CHRIS RAYMOND wrote: > Hello, I would certainly interested in owning a Nethawk T-shirt of my > very own. And I would take real good care of it too. Thanks, > Chris > ME 2!!! TRoy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Dec 28 02:31:49 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 18:31:49 +1100 Subject: BOC-L farewell(?) In-Reply-To: <199612272231.XAA07611@kirov.eunet.no> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Dec 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > >Mike P > > *snif* it looks dreary as I approach the new year weary, jobless and wasted from > all the poison I've tasted... er, my little poem for '96. It looks as if I > won't be around on BOC-L either - unless I find another job with internet > access like Mike P.... So, I > might disappear from BOC-L altogether now! Oh well, Santa didn't give me a > PC this year - so - unless I return soon - I'll be back.... someday!! So far, > I gotta say, it's been fun - thanks! Happy holidays, y'all! (for all I know > I'll pop back up in february...) > > Christian > Hey guy! Keep in touch! Please come back, it is cool to have you aboard! Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Dec 28 02:49:22 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 18:49:22 +1100 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Dec 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > In message melb.edu.au>, Troy Harris writes > > I agree Max baby. > > > > Troy > > I'm not going to get drawn on this because I've seen the carnage it > creates (but RJ's right actually) :)) ACTUALLY......:) Of course there is only ONE HW. It is the one one that DB runs. Nik just has a good grasp (at the moment) of the earlier HW sound, that is all. He has more early HW members, too. Great stuff. The issue really, for me, revolves around what kind of mood I am in the morning. If I feel like Alien4, synth and bass stuff, then Brocky's boys do the job. If I feel like a fuller classic sound, then Nik is cool. It is kinda funny in a way, that past mebers seem to create solo projects that encapsulate eras of the HW sound. Alan Davey's solo project is typical (IMO) comtemporary HW, and Nik is classic HW. As for Calvert, well he speaks of an era as well. HLL stuff is like listening to the stuff he did while with HW. I haven't heard much from any other past members but it would sure take my interest. I love both Nik and HW. (and of course HLL). I am currently a lot more crazy about "Past or Future" than any other related stuuf, and I just bought Anubian lights and I can't figure out if I like it or not. I like Alien4, but I am in no hurry to get LiS, but I would get the vid. (Hey, but I might just get LiS tomorrow too!). Troy ObCD- Jerusalem, Volym Tre. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Dec 28 10:20:28 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 15:20:28 +0000 Subject: BOC-L farewell(?) In-Reply-To: <199612272231.XAA07611@kirov.eunet.no> Message-ID: In message <199612272231.XAA07611 at kirov.eunet.no>, Christian Mumford writes >*snif* it looks dreary as I approach the new year weary, jobless and wasted from >all the poison I've tasted... er, my little poem for '96. It looks as if I >won't be around on BOC-L either - unless I find another job with internet >access like Mike P.... So, I >might disappear from BOC-L altogether now! Oh well, Santa didn't give me a >PC this year - so - unless I return soon - I'll be back.... someday!! So far, >I gotta say, it's been fun - thanks! Happy holidays, y'all! (for all I know >I'll pop back up in february...) > >Christian Before you go, then, send me a blank and I'll put Syd's Magnesium Proverbs on it. You'll want this, man! -- Jon Browne From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Sat Dec 28 07:37:56 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 12:37:56 -0000 Subject: OFF: trainspotting, was: Re: Nethawk T Message-ID: > (Climbing the walls and dredging the bogs until TRAINSPOTTING > comes out - I read the book but aint seen the movie. If the > US video release has Renton talking in an American accent, I am > going to start xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx .. Sorry too demanding I am!) don worry. while someone pointed out that some of the dialogue was dubbed,whatever remains is definitely not american english.it may not be real scottish either,i dont know. some of the characters spoke with such a thick accent that it was difficult to understand,(for me), and some were not so thick. i wonder if the parts that were dubbed were only slang phrases which may not have any meaning to us in US. anyway- the movie was far too intense for me to worry about accents. rj (waiting nearly as anxiously to see it again.) From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Sat Dec 28 07:41:34 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 12:41:34 -0000 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: > Alien4, but I am in no hurry to get LiS, but I would get the vid. (Hey, > but I might just get LiS tomorrow too!). do it.....DO IT!!!! man, i wasn't sure i should buy this.... until i did. its killer,man. rj From stretch at GOT.NET Sat Dec 28 11:42:30 1996 From: stretch at GOT.NET (Jeff Riedle) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 08:42:30 -0800 Subject: Nethawk T Message-ID: Regarding the next batch of shirts printed, put me down for an extra large! From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Dec 28 09:14:06 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 01:14:06 +1100 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: Troy Harris wrote: SNIP>>>> > I love both Nik and HW. (and of course HLL). I am currently a lot more > crazy about "Past or Future" than any other related stuuf, and I just > bought Anubian lights and I can't figure out if I like it or not. I like > Alien4, but I am in no hurry to get LiS, but I would get the vid. (Hey, > but I might just get LiS tomorrow too!). This seems to encapsulate everything I was (trying to) say. I guess it's just that when you get into the kind of discusion that is purely based on personal values you can go on ad infinitum. I guess, to condense my whole side of the discussion down into a sentence - "At the moment I feel that Nik's "Past or Future" contains, what is for me a musical essence that is closest to what I believe to be Hawkwind's "classic" soind". It took a while to get there, but I did it finaly.... -Max Wilcox From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Sat Dec 28 22:15:14 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 03:15:14 -0000 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: > This seems to encapsulate everything I was (trying to) say. I guess > it's just that when you get into the kind of discusion that is purely > based on personal values you can go on ad infinitum. I guess, to > condense my whole side of the discussion down into a sentence - "At the > moment I feel that Nik's "Past or Future" contains, what is for me a > musical essence that is closest to what I believe to be Hawkwind's > "classic" soind". > It took a while to get there, but I did it finaly.... well damn! ; ) i might have given the same answer had the question been phrased as such..... like- which "version" of hawkwind has recently released the most true to form piece of material. i might have said nik's to that. i am sorry that i misunderstood your point. it was my impression that basically,if ya had to choose one and only one,which would it be. and for two reasons,i would choose brockwind in that circumstance. 1. choosing nik would be to choose the fruit tree past its prime. little production to be expected. 2. i am extremely attached to the present members of hw,as a group. i would welcome any previous members back into the fold,but would be loathe to see anyone leave. so,as it turns out, max, we basically agree on something after all! ;) i could not agree with your sum-it-all-up sentence more. rj From chrisr at TIAC.NET Sun Dec 29 06:22:53 1996 From: chrisr at TIAC.NET (Chris Raymond) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 03:22:53 -0800 Subject: HW - The REAL Hawks Message-ID: Hello, having seen Nik Turner only once, but seeing Hawkwind 15 times, I am probably not being objective, but it seemed like Nik was in a Hawkwind cover band and not the real thing. I really liked him live a lot, but something was missing(Dave Brock). I have also had the opportunity to catch a band from Cleveland that was doing Hawkwind covers, they were called Sun Machine. In my opinion, this was much more satisfying for me. As far as Nik Turner goes, I would rather not hear him doing his interpetations of Hawkwind songs as much as he has the right to I guess. Patiently we wait for Live '74 Chris From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Dec 29 04:55:31 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 19:55:31 +1000 Subject: HW: LiS (was Re: HW: The REAL Hawks) In-Reply-To: <199612281646.LAA01607@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On 28 Dec 96 at 12:41, RJ wrote: > > Alien4, but I am in no hurry to get LiS, but I would get the vid. > > (Hey, but I might just get LiS tomorrow too!). > > do it.....DO IT!!!! man, i wasn't sure i should buy this.... until > i did. > its killer,man. I picked this up yesterday, and I agree 1000% (at least) ..... that gift voucher was without a doubt the best Chrissy present I got! I must add that after watching the video: 1) I have much more respect for Ron Tree (not that I really lacked any) 2) I can actually bear the LiS version of Robot (which made me cringe on the CD) 3) My wife is still convinced I'm a lunatic ;^) 4) The June tour is *way* too far away Paul -- "If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sun Dec 29 05:25:53 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 21:25:53 +1100 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks In-Reply-To: <199612281646.LAA01607@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Dec 1996, RJ wrote: > > Alien4, but I am in no hurry to get LiS, but I would get the vid. (Hey, > > but I might just get LiS tomorrow too!). > > do it.....DO IT!!!! man, i wasn't sure i should buy this.... until i did. > its killer,man. > rj > OK! OK! I WILL!!!!! Your enthusiasm is noted. Next pay for sure. Troy From xl5 at IINET.NET.AU Sun Dec 29 10:52:51 1996 From: xl5 at IINET.NET.AU (William Duffy) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 23:52:51 +0800 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: Hi there everybody Just thought I'd jump in with my 2 quids worth! As someone else said re: the variations of the Hawks, it depends on your mood at the time. I, however, would stick with Brock and Co.. I do agree though, that some of the NikWind stuff is excellent (until he sings, that is). I also feel the Anubian Lights "Eternal Sky" album is the best of the current 'spin-offs'. I like most of Nik's 'egyptian' recordings (if you know what I mean), but I found "Prophets in Time" to be a very messy recording. The only tracks on that album that I like are the instrumental and spoken word tracks. I think it's about time Nik did something new instead of redoing old HW and ICU songs. William From debony at CYBERCOM.NET Sun Dec 29 13:42:59 1996 From: debony at CYBERCOM.NET (Antony & Debbie) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 13:42:59 -0500 Subject: Nethawk T In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19961228084711.40cf9404@mail.got.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Dec 1996, Jeff Riedle wrote: > Regarding the next batch of shirts printed, put me down for an extra large! > me too! :) wal ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peacenik & Dreamflower `For every flower given, another grows inside.' PeacePie Paradise: http://www.cybercom.net/~debony "To wonder at something is to be aware of a wonder." -- M.C. Escher ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE Sun Dec 29 13:58:38 1996 From: bernhard.pospiech at GELSENKIRCHEN.NETSURF.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 19:58:38 +0100 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: Hi there Just a few notes from me here - Every HW line up has highpoints - There isn't a linup which is the BEST or the WORST (except '82-'84) - Dave Brock was, is and will be the centre of HAWKWIND - Dave Brock ist the MAIN FORCE behind HAWKWIND In the last couple of years I have collected about 570 HAWKWIND live tapes. I have all their official and inofficial stuff. And from my point (after listening to all the 570 tapes) I must say: - HAWKWIND have gone through several interesting changes - The years between 1982 and 1984 were HAWKWINDs dark years - Hardcore fans know that this was the time when punker NT played with HAWKWIND - During this time HW was absolute unproductive. No new ideas, no spirit in their music (just listen to the tapes and you'll know what I am talking about) - During 1970-1976 NT fitted much better to the band. But this time can't be compared with the years 1982-1984 HAWKWIND is a SPACEROCK band and not a PUNK band. We all want to hear good spacerock music and not punk music I hope that NT won't appear in the future with our favorite band on one stage at the same time. If this should ever happen it would be again the beginning of a unproductive and boring PUNK era!! Bernhard From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sun Dec 29 17:50:51 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 17:50:51 -0500 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: Here we go again. Get your $0.02 cents ready! OK, how can Nik be called a punk?? His style precedes and is distinct from punk. IMO the contributions of Turner and Brock to the band HAWKWIND are similar to the contributions of Lennon and McCartney to the band the BEATLES. (no direct comparison intended, just the indispensibility). Martyn From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Sun Dec 29 17:46:39 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 22:46:39 UT Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: >- The years between 1982 and 1984 were HAWKWINDs dark years >- Hardcore fans know that this was the time when punker NT played with > HAWKWIND >- During this time HW was absolute unproductive. No new ideas, no spirit > in their music (just listen to the tapes and you'll know what I am talking > about) Well... I agree that the early '80s were Hawkwind's darkest hour, but I'm not sure it's right to put the blame on Turner. I think it was a time when Brock himself seemed to lose interest in the band - he wasn't writing much, he hid behind his synths as much as possible, and he just didn't look as if he was enjoying himself. As you say, Hawkwind had no new ideas or spirit - and I don't have to listen to any tapes, I was there! The curious thing is that in roughly '80-'82, Nik had been in the utterly godlike Inner City Unit, who were a much more credible and creative outfit than HW at the time - but things that had worked with ICU (who were so much more than "Turner's backing band") fell flat with HW. And then when ICU re-started in '85, they were great again. And even Lemmy's half-hearted semi-return - at a time when Motorhead, like ICU, were in suspended animation - didn't really work. I tend to think the moment that crystallized HW's decline was that sleeve note in _Sonic Attack_, that goes something like "we didn't get a keyboard player, because me and Harvey could do it"... and even at the time, when I still tried to believe Hawkwind could do no wrong, I always skipped side one, track one when playing that album... _SA_, from the title down, was a real signal that they'd run out of ideas, in fact. The _Black Sword_ thing was the real act of desperation, though - a ten-years-on attempt to recapture the glory of _Warrior_ - and it wasn't until _Xenon Codex_ that they stopped the rot. (IMO!) >HAWKWIND is a SPACEROCK band and not a PUNK band. >We all want to hear good spacerock music and not punk music Hey, I like a lot of punk music! (But actually, I dislike genre labels.) - Andy From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Sun Dec 29 17:18:10 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 22:18:10 -0000 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: > Here we go again. Get your $0.02 cents ready! > OK, how can Nik be called a punk?? His style precedes and is > distinct from punk. IMO the contributions of Turner and Brock > to the band HAWKWIND are similar to the contributions of > Lennon and McCartney to the band the BEATLES. (no direct > comparison intended, just the indispensibility). > Martyn i agree with you that brock/turner worked fantastically well together.but,i do believe nik tried to merge his icu punk style in with hw in the early 80's. nik turner is definitely unquestionably a punker. but he is also a jazzman,and a spacerocker,and god knows what else. if you dont believe hes a punker, ask him. i think the problems with nik's style as far as hw was concerned,came mostly from the times he was given free control,the stuff he produced dint fit with the stuff they were doing AT THE TIME. i am not against seeing nik with brock at all,so long as he is not out front. if he can work harmoniously with the other members,im for it. i love icu as icu,but hw should remain hw. thats my .02$. (minus taxes) rj From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Sun Dec 29 17:34:00 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 22:34:00 -0000 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: > Well... I agree that the early '80s were Hawkwind's darkest hour, but I'm not > sure it's right to put the blame on Turner. I think it was a time when Brock > himself seemed to lose interest in the band - he wasn't writing much, he hid > behind his synths as much as possible, and he just didn't look as if he was > enjoying himself. As you say, Hawkwind had no new ideas or spirit - and I > don't have to listen to any tapes, I was there! anything sounds great when you are there.i have been to about 35 dead shows,and had tapes of almost everyone i went to. very few shows were 'bad' while they were going on,but listening to the tapes was always an eyeopener. and the same goes for hw. i have seen hw shows that blew me away. then listened to the tapes; i could hear every mistake,every break in voice..etc. i have turned many people on to hw. i failed to do so in almost every instance where i showed them the stonehenge bit with nt. they all wanted to know who the fruit was,and would they have to sit thru that if they went to see them. > I tend to think the moment that crystallized HW's decline was that sleeve note > in _Sonic Attack_, that goes something like "we didn't get a keyboard player, > because me and Harvey could do it"... and even at the time, when I still > tried to believe Hawkwind could do no wrong, I always skipped side one, track > one when playing that album... _SA_, from the title down, was a real signal > that they'd run out of ideas, in fact. The _Black Sword_ thing was the real > act of desperation, though - a ten-years-on attempt to recapture the glory of > _Warrior_ - and it wasn't until _Xenon Codex_ that they stopped the rot. > (IMO!) well,i hope so,as COTB is one of the best albums i own! (IMO) and the live records of it were bested only by spaceritual. but i dont want to go sit thru a three or four hour spaceritual these days.in the days when i was dropping cid and mushrooms,yes,but now i need the music to be more upbeat to keep me awake. > Hey, I like a lot of punk music! (But actually, I dislike genre labels.) a lot of people feel that way. i hate seeing it applied in a restrictive way, but one must have some sort of label to put on things so that they can discuss them. i usually make up my own.i really hate the 'timely" labels that get applied- like "alternative" and the dreaded "new age". one thing i have noticed is that a lot of people that bitch about labels,often wear uniforms. be it nose rings and colored hair, or bandanas and leather,or flanel and torn jeans...whatever. it all came to me at a deadshow,that while claiming nonconformity,they were all dressed almost exactly alike.eating the same foods,and buying the same silly baubles. some drunk idiot girl walked up to me and said- your socks dont match your tiedye. rj > - Andy From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Dec 29 11:40:18 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 03:40:18 +1100 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: There's so much to keep up with in this discussion now, that I'll just try to pop a few of my own opinions in from memory, rather than answering any specific questions that have been raised. One of the better ways that I have for judging the creative input of an individual member of a band is to look at their solo albums. Brock's one, for example, just spals new names of two old songs, and, aside from that doesn't (for me, ofcourse) have that much to recommend it (with perhaps the exception of "Bosnia" and "It's never too Late"). Alan's solo album seems much "fresher" on the other hand, having quite a few very nice tracks on it. In the absence of a Nik solo album, we can look at each of his side projects, Anubian Lights, ICU, Past or Future?, etc. But then again, as has been said, we don't realy know how much creative input Nik has on these projects, and there are many other people involved in them, too. The upshot of this, I suppose is that, in the words of (I think) Nick Mason, you need all the members of the band to be working together to iron out all the shit that each individual can put out. Oh, and while I remember, I quite liked Nik's performance on the Stonehenge concert. Steve Pond has said to me something like "Nik's a middle of the road saxophonist, an ok singer (but not the best) but a great performer". Which I would agree with. I don't realy mind his singing - exccept when it gets -realy- bad, but it's his overall presence and his er....insainity(?) on stage that I find the most impresses me. I think it's interesting that the topic of Calvert hasn't come up that much in this discussion - I guess it's probably because everyone assumes that he's too good to make any similar comments about perhaps? Well, that's my opinion. He's certainly contributed my favorite HW era, even though his singing can get get a bit wobbly at times, too. All in all, I like almost every era of HW - though I can see why one wouldn't like Black Sword - it seems to me to be a very "teen" kind of era, though I don't think that Xenon Codex is any kind of improvement (I got that CD for Crissie, and haven't listened to it a great deal, so my opinoins may change, though...). I think the most recent recovery for HW has come with Alien4. On a slightly different topic - do people think HW'll still be touring with Love in Space next year? They've got a bit of time to get something new together between now and the tour, but I guess it's not realy long enough. I seem to remember hearing something about new material, but I can't remember that clearly... Anyway, well, aw...I like everything anyone in the band's done - be it a lot, or just a little - it's all ok to me. -Max Wilcox From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Dec 30 02:19:27 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 02:19:27 -0500 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: >Status: R > >There's so much to keep up with in this discussion now, that I'll just >try to pop a few of my own opinions in from memory, rather than >answering any specific questions that have been raised. My point was that, somewhere back in the hazy days of the late '60s, early '70s, the 2 artists came up with the idea of the band and decided to call it HAWKWIND. So the subsequent arguments bore me to crap. I yell "Who the fuck were Pinkee wivout Syd?? Answer: they did alot, but they went to ""get famous mode" AFTER UMMA gUMMA, then "Dark Side of the Moon". MM a From flossbac at WCIC.ORG Mon Dec 30 03:13:47 1996 From: flossbac at WCIC.ORG (John Majka) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 03:13:47 -0500 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: Bernhard said: >- HAWKWIND have gone through several interesting changes >- The years between 1982 and 1984 were HAWKWINDs dark years >- Hardcore fans know that this was the time when punker NT played with > HAWKWIND >- During this time HW was absolute unproductive. No new ideas, no spirit > in their music (just listen to the tapes and you'll know what I am talking > about) >- During 1970-1976 NT fitted much better to the band. But this time can't > be compared with the years 1982-1984 > >HAWKWIND is a SPACEROCK band and not a PUNK band. >We all want to hear good spacerock music and not punk music > >I hope that NT won't appear in the future with our favorite band on one >stage at the same time. > >If this should ever happen it would be again the beginning of a >unproductive and boring PUNK era!! Hawkwind have certainly had their ups and downs, but the most amazing thing about the band is that they constantly remake themselves and somehow manage to rise from the verge of their imminent dissolution to renewed greatness time and time again. Consider the first moulting: when Calvert took over vocals and the Charisma/Virgin years were underway. It would seem that the Hawks wouldn't be able to continue, but they simply mutated into a fascinating variant. Then when Huwy rejoined with Levitation, they sounded sort of prog. I think that the biggest indication of a lack of ideas/inspiration in the band showed up on Sonic Attack with the title track. This began the much-dreaded trend of re-recording old tracks, a trend which has continued to plague us to the present day. Chronicle of the Black Sword showed us a Hawkwind which is much more heavy metal than I can normally tolerate. Basically, I have a strong aversion to heavy metal, and am only willing to forgive the hawks because they are the hawks, and, well, they can get away with damn near anything and turn it at least half-way respectable. I don't think 82-84 were necessarily awful years for the band, although I do agree that Uncle Nik detracted strongly from the band. His vocals are generally awful and his stage act makes better entertainment in a circus tent. Good riddance, though I do still have a soft spot in my heart for him. I was again amazed when HW adopted a more ambient/synthy instrumental sound (probably first emerging on Electric Tepee). People have expressed disgust for It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous, but I must admit that I was enthralled by the album. I don't want my Hawkwind to be a static, unchanging entity forever locked into playing Chuck Berry/classic rock rip offs a la Silver Machine (not that I dislike the song; I like it quite well). I like the fact that they are first and foremost an experimental, avant garde psychedelic band with a rock and roll basis. I love their try-everything approach to music. regarding punk rock... I like good punk rock, and the Hawks certainly have some punk in them (just listen to California Brainstorm if you don't believe me). Nik's current HW band just sounds like a mediocre HW cover band live. My band has done more interesting and energetic versions of HW than Nik, and we contain no members of HW! sad but true, but I think HW has become increasingly unproductive over the years. More remakes of old tracks, more "songs" which are really just two chord A/B progressions that barely qualify as being new, "new" songs which incorporate old lyrics etc. etc. You know what I'm talking about I'm sure. Hawkwind have cannibalized their back catalog to a very great extent in recent years. Well, I've probably strained everyone's attention so I'll just leave you all alone now. John Majka flossbac at wcic.org From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Dec 29 19:40:37 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 11:40:37 +1100 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > My point was that, somewhere back in the hazy days of the > late '60s, early '70s, the 2 artists came up with the idea of the > band and decided to call it HAWKWIND. So the subsequent arguments > bore me to crap. I yell "Who the fuck were Pinkee wivout Syd?? > Answer: they did alot, but they went to ""get famous mode" AFTER > UMMA gUMMA, then "Dark Side of the Moon". > MM a This is uterly off topic, but I feel that I have to chime in here. Do you realy think Floyd would have gone much further if Syd had stayed with them as the front man (front thing?)?. I believe that the line-up changes in Floyd have given it a little bit of spice (though with Roger dropping out, they've lost it, though). They couldn't have gone on playing Arnold Layne all their lives. The same goes for HW, too, of course. Although I'm not bored to crap by the discussion, I can understand how it could be, at least if everyone was saying "NO! -THIS- is the real HW" etc. But, I think a big part of the discusion is about that which constitutes a HW sound, etc. I'd totaly agree with John Majka's comment about how they constantly re-make themselves. This is one of the best points about HW for me, too. The one and only problem with this is that it raises the possibility that they could re-make themselves badly. But, I guess that's just one of the drawbacks of a non-static band. I'd prefer that, than having a static, always the same sound.... - Max Wilcox From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 30 07:53:24 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 08:53:24 EDT Subject: Oysters in Utica. Message-ID: Well, A merry Christmas it was, at least it's aftermath, as I got to see 3OC for the first time in many years. The venue, funkilly named 'Cap't Trip's Rainforest Preserve' has a smallish pit area and an elevated Main floor that extends the rest of the length of the building. It's a smallish bar [at least considering that it books 'name' acts] but it was quite well packed with spirited BOC fans that night. Not shoulder to shoulder by any means, but crowded enough to do the band justice. I think they probably did alright by the place. The joint has its own sound system [at least it looked like the band was using the house system--sound was certainly good enough by my standards] so maybe that's why BOC played there? Chance to cut a bit of overhead? Anyway, some local wanker opened up for them on acoustic gtr! And it was shitty material at that, more appropriate for a holiday Inn bar. And he sucked at that! But the crowd, apparently too soporific to care, somehow allowed this shit-bag to live, and only got rude toward the end of his hour-long set. I was somewhat pissed, as I didn't want to lose my edge listening to this turd, but things got better... BOC hit the stage at about 1130. [BTW, John, I know you're going to tell me to look at the FAQ, but what is the name of the song that plays while the band is taking the stage and getting their instruments ready? Kinda techno-sounding, very string based. It's cooler than shit. Is it available anywhere?] Anyway, they tore into a very good Stairway, and didn't look back for 4 songs. They follwed with OD'd, and then Before the Kiss. Memory's a bit hazy on the actual order of tunes from this point, but songs included ETI, a new one, which they didn't identify, but I'm thinking that it might have been Harvest, simply because of some nighttime imagery in the words. I couldn't hear the vocals very well. Torgo, Jason, Brian, any help on this one? Whatever it was, it was excellent, as good or better than anything they've done, a most pleasant surprise. Other highlights included an inspired TCtLDoM, including an introduction by BD, outlining the story that the song's based upon. A hellfire rendition of Buck's Boogie. Live for Me was the only other new one performed, but I loved it. Eerie, haunting vocals, and gtr playing. In a word, excellent, and again, worthy of a place with BOC's best. Then, toward the end, things got formulaic: BFY, Godzilla, Reaper. Encore: TAtSoL and TRatB. Show over. Played a little more than an hour and a half. Surprise song: In Thee, which I could have done without. It was introduced by a pretty bad acoustic blues thing by Allen. Totally out of character for the band, and not very professionally rendered. Oops, almost forgot the obligatory COFWRaR. Fine, fine job on that one, BD soloing his head off... Overall impressions: I loved hearing OD'd again. It's been awhile on that one. Disappointed that Lips, and Teen Archer didn't happen. I understand they've been doing them lately. The crowd was quite receptive of the new songs. I do wish they'd done more of them. Crowd started to leave after Reaper. I'm kind of surprised they did an encore, as many people had left already. Gear: BD played Steinbergers, the ones with a Strat body. Worked very well for him. EB used an ESP, and Allen had what I believe was a Lone Star Strat. Crate amps all around, the Blue Voodoo models, and they sounded great. BD was hooked up to a big rack, that he shared with the bassist. Too bad that the rhythm section appears to be strictly hired help, as they are quite good. The drummer was somebady filling in. They said his name but I don't remember, but they said he's from Meatloaf's band. He was great, and obviously has listened to Albert quite a bit. He really did a fine job for somebody working on short notice. Biggest disappointment: EB is definitely in some kind of trouble. He was almost reciting the words to the songs, and any parts that needed power were backed up by BD and the bassist. At least he sang all the songs he was supposed to rather than BD. But he was so quiet and toned down as to be very disheartening. And he didn't look very good either. Too thin, and very gaunt. I hate to say it, but I think Allen looked more robust! Even his raps between songs lacked his usual humor. Maybe I'm reading in too much, and I sure hope I am, but I was seriously worried about the guy, and before the flame throwers heat up, remember that the guy's one of my biggest musical heroes. I'm genuinely concerned about him. Final word: It was great to see them in fine form. I really needed them to kick ass for me, considering some of the stuff posted lately, I was afraid they may not have it any more. Aside from very real worries about EB, the band was excellent, and they played like it was a football stadium and not a bar. BD, if this is possible, has gotten even better on gtr. The new stuff is boffo, though it appears that BOC is definitely becoming BD's band. He did much more rapping to the crowd tha he's ever done in the past, and he acts a lot more like a frontman, at least at this show. I was duly impressed. I'd rate it a perfect 10 apart from EB's problems. As such, I can't really rate the show, as EB is so important to the band. I fear that they're headed onto a new incarnation of the group. Unless EB gets back his fire, I don't see him being in the band much longer. Could BOC exist without him? Should they evolve into something else? Only the band and its fans can really answer this one. I loved what I saw and heard, but the loss of EB's presence kind of cast a pall over my enthusiasm. Torgo, Brian, Jason--what was your impression? theo From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Mon Dec 30 09:01:17 1996 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 14:01:17 GMT Subject: hw Message-ID: In message ID <9612261904.aa07089 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo> on 26/12/96, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion L wrote: BDL> I can get a run of a dozen printed. How much interest is there? BDL> BDL> FoFP Keep one for me please ! Olivier - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Mon Dec 30 09:33:54 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 14:33:54 UT Subject: BOC: Oysters in Utica. Message-ID: >[BTW, John, I know you're going to >tell me to look at the FAQ, but what is the name of the song that >plays while the band is taking the stage and getting their >instruments ready? Kinda techno-sounding, very string based. It's >cooler than shit. Is it available anywhere?] Ah, they're still using the end titles from Vangelis' _Blade Runner_ soundtrack, are they? - Andy From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 30 08:45:39 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 09:45:39 EDT Subject: BOC: Oysters in Utica. Message-ID: >> From: Andrew Gilham > >[BTW, John, I know you're going to > >tell me to look at the FAQ, but what is the name of the song that > >plays while the band is taking the stage and getting their > >instruments ready? Kinda techno-sounding, very string based. It's > >cooler than shit. Is it available anywhere?] > > Ah, they're still using the end titles from Vangelis' _Blade Runner_ > soundtrack, are they? > > - Andy Don't know if it's Vangelis, but I remember them using this one a long time ago. They've also used other intro music, including a great orchestral piece. Again, John, is any of this info available regarding thier intro music? theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 30 10:28:51 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 10:28:51 -0500 Subject: BOC: Oysters in Utica. Message-ID: >[BTW, John, I know you're going to >tell me to look at the FAQ, but what is the name of the song that >plays while the band is taking the stage and getting their >instruments ready? Kinda techno-sounding, very string based. It's >cooler than shit. Is it available anywhere?] Ah, they're still using the end titles from Vangelis' _Blade Runner_ soundtrack, are they? Yeah, and believe it or not, this ain't in the FAQ - time for another last-minute addition!! Still waiting for MF 14 . . . John From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Dec 30 10:50:30 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 10:50:30 -0500 Subject: HW:Re: The REAL Hawks In-Reply-To: <199612251716.MAA17949@listserv.spc.edu> from "RJ" at Dec 25, 96 01:11:26 pm Message-ID: RJ writes: > > > Simon House irrelevant?!?!?! Blasphemy!!! I haven't -seen- them > live, > > but I've got almost everything they've released on CD from the recent > > concerts - and the Spiral Realms end of things I think is bloody > > brilliant. Pressurehead, I don't like solo, but they seem to do alright > > when they're with Nik. > > simon is fine on the studio stuff.by irrelevant,i mean that when they can > FIND him to get him on the stage,you can hardly hear him. That irks me, too. When I saw Nikwind (more than a year ago, I guess), Simon and Spiral Realms opened up. They sounded *great*, and I could hear the violin very clearly. Unfortunately, when he joined Nikwind on stage for a couple of songs, he was completely drowned out. > as for the members of pressurehead,i cant stand them as a band,but > loved them with nik. Funny, I rather like my Pressurehed albums, but when they back Nik up, the whole thing just doesn't sound Hawkish enough for me. There's something fundamantally different in the guitar sound of Dave vs. the guy from Pressurehed, and Nik/Pressurewind just doesn't sound quite right to me. I never heard Nikwind with Helios on guitar, so I can't comment on that tour. > dont mean to be insulting by this,but do you like hw because you love what > they play,or because they play what you love? to me, hw is a ride,a > starship of which i am definitely not the captain. i just fasten > my seatbelt and let them take me where they will. > i am not >completely< satisfied with the way things are going,but what the > hell. Same here. I haven't been totally satisfied with what Hawkwind has done for the last several years, but they're at least forging ahead, which means that there's always hope for the future. And if they keep putting out albums like The Business Trip, then even the present isn't really so bad... Steve swann at panix.com From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 30 10:07:44 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 11:07:44 EDT Subject: BOC: Oysters in Utica. Message-ID: > From: John A Swartz > >[BTW, John, I know you're going to > >tell me to look at the FAQ, but what is the name of the song that > >plays while the band is taking the stage and getting their > >instruments ready? Kinda techno-sounding, very string based. It's > >cooler than shit. Is it available anywhere?] > > Ah, they're still using the end titles from Vangelis' _Blade Runner_ > soundtrack, are they? > > > Yeah, and believe it or not, this ain't in the FAQ - time for another > last-minute addition!! I don't know how you will be able to do this, but it would be cool to have a list of all the opening music they've used over the span of various tours. Maybe Albert can help us with this one? I know that the infamous Worcester concert [why in the fuck am I bringing this up? I must be nuts!] has a snip from the intro just before the guy announces them. And I'm pretty sure it isn't the current tune. For a while they had this really annoying automated thing that seemed to generate random tones off and on, and it drove the crowd nuts. And then some kinda Wagnerian orchestra thing with a 'Ride of the Wulkeries' feel to it. The current one has been used in the past... theo > Still waiting for MF 14 . . . > > > John > From halligan at EARTHLINK.NET Mon Dec 30 12:29:10 1996 From: halligan at EARTHLINK.NET (John Halligan) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:29:10 -0500 Subject: BOC: Oysters in Utica. Message-ID: Theo, I think you hit the nail on the head with EB. I wrote up a review of this show for the Imaginos site, but didn't mention much about this. Eric's performance was similar when I saw the band in Buffalo last summer. I was just glad that he sang at all. Did you hear someone towards the end of the show yell, "Let Eric sing!"? The first new song was Harvest Moon, like you thought. I definately think it could be a hit on Classic Rock radio if they give it a chance. I was hoping that they would play See You In Black, but with Eric's voice the way it is, I'm afraid that would have been too much to ask. Thanks to Chuck (Hi Chuck!), who I traded tapes with, I have heard HM, Power Underneath Despair, and Cold Grey Light of Dawn, all of which are impressive. Live For Me, the other new one they played in Utica, reminded me of Buck's material with his Red & The Black band. It's a power-pop song. I liked it for what it was. Brian ________________________________________________________ Brian T. Halligan "Halligbt at bigvax.alfred.edu" Alfred University Communication Studies- '97 "Free is when you don't have to pay for nothing or do nothing. We want to be free, free as the wind." -Frank Zappa ________________________________________________________ From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 30 10:33:51 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 11:33:51 EDT Subject: BOC: Oysters in Utica. Message-ID: > From: John Halligan > Theo, I think you hit the nail on the head with EB. I wrote up a > review of this show for the Imaginos site, but didn't mention much about Could you post your review here? I'd like to read it... theo > From sprawl at STARLINX.COM Mon Dec 30 07:39:08 1996 From: sprawl at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:39:08 +0000 Subject: HW:Re: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: stephen sez: > > simon is fine on the studio stuff.by irrelevant,i mean that when they can > > FIND him to get him on the stage,you can hardly hear him. > > That irks me, too. When I saw Nikwind (more than a year ago, I guess), > Simon and Spiral Realms opened up. They sounded *great*, and I could > hear the violin very clearly. Unfortunately, when he joined Nikwind on > stage for a couple of songs, he was completely drowned out. i missed the spiral realms show,was outside or in a corner somewhere being naughty. > > as for the members of pressurehead,i cant stand them as a band,but > > loved them with nik. > > Funny, I rather like my Pressurehed albums, but when they back Nik up, > the whole thing just doesn't sound Hawkish enough for me. There's > something fundamantally different in the guitar sound of Dave vs. the > guy from Pressurehed, and Nik/Pressurewind just doesn't sound quite > right to me. the main reason i dont like pressurehead,is that i cant stand the drum machines. the music is ok, but it sounds a bit mechanical to me. > I never heard Nikwind with Helios on guitar, so I can't comment > on that tour. helios is a unique guitarist. mega-effects. don't ever compliment him on his playing, he'll blame it on his "black box". ;) > Same here. I haven't been totally satisfied with what Hawkwind has > done for the last several years, but they're at least forging ahead, > which means that there's always hope for the future. And if they > keep putting out albums like The Business Trip, then even the > present isn't really so bad... i feel the same way. as long as >some< new ground is being broken...... rj > Steve > swann at panix.com From sabocat at EARTHLINK.NET Mon Dec 30 12:07:45 1996 From: sabocat at EARTHLINK.NET (John Furnish) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 12:07:45 -0500 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: Max Wilcox wrote: > > Martyn White wrote: > > My point was that, somewhere back in the hazy days of the > > late '60s, early '70s, the 2 artists came up with the idea of the > > band and decided to call it HAWKWIND. So the subsequent arguments > > bore me to crap. I yell "Who the fuck were Pinkee wivout Syd?? > > Answer: they did alot, but they went to ""get famous mode" AFTER > > UMMA gUMMA, then "Dark Side of the Moon". > > MM a > > This is uterly off topic, but I feel that I have to chime in here. Do > you realy think Floyd would have gone much further if Syd had stayed > with them as the front man (front thing?)?. I believe that the line-up > changes in Floyd have given it a little bit of spice (though with Roger > dropping out, they've lost it, though). They couldn't have gone on > playing Arnold Layne all their lives. The same goes for HW, too, of > course. > Although I'm not bored to crap by the discussion, I can understand how > it could be, at least if everyone was saying "NO! -THIS- is the real HW" > etc. But, I think a big part of the discusion is about that which > constitutes a HW sound, etc. I'd totaly agree with John Majka's comment > about how they constantly re-make themselves. This is one of the best > points about HW for me, too. The one and only problem with this is that > it raises the possibility that they could re-make themselves badly. But, > I guess that's just one of the drawbacks of a non-static band. I'd > prefer that, than having a static, always the same sound.... > > - Max Wilcox This sort of discussion has been going on on the Black Sabbath mailing list, as well. (The one now run by Joe Seigler, that is.) However, it's been a more obnoxious discussion than apparently this has been. The only people who don't expect a band to change over time and try to remake itself, to innovate and grow, are people who don't know anything about music. For example, I love Sabbath's stuff since Ozzy left rather moreso than the older stuff, even though I grew up with Sabbath since they came out with their first album in 1970. The same is true of Blue Oyster Cult (perhaps just to keep things on-topic here! ;) ). They have always kept a certain consistent content , songwriting style, charm... 'Last Days of May' could've been, possibly, not on the first album but as late as 'Spectres', but not on 'Fire of Unkown Origin'. If BOC hadn't grown past their first few albums, we would never have had 'Veteran of the Psychic Wars' nor 'Burnin' for You' nor 'Take Me Away'... or even possibly 'Don't Fear the Reaper' (which would've been tragic, if we could've known of the loss). Bands always have fans who like a certain era best, and who may hate others. The only bands I feel changed far too much for me to continue to accept are Bad Company and Kansas. Anyhow, 'nuff said. JH 'Sabocat' Furnish From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Dec 30 11:58:46 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 16:58:46 +0000 Subject: OFF: The REAL Floyd In-Reply-To: <32C70F85.6A6B@student.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: In message <32C70F85.6A6B at student.uq.edu.au>, Max Wilcox writes > > This is uterly off topic, but I feel that I have to chime in here. Do >you realy think Floyd would have gone much further if Syd had stayed >with them as the front man (front thing?)?. Do you mean having a loopy Syd or (in another world) a functioning Syd? Obvoiusly they couldn't and didn't continue with Syd because of his condition but if he'd been OK then why on Earth shouldn't he have stayed? It *was* his band, man! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Dec 30 05:32:41 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 10:32:41 +0000 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks In-Reply-To: <9612292250.AA08074@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: In message <9612292250.AA08074 at borg.med.ecu.edu>, Martyn White writes >OK, how can Nik be called a punk?? Because when punk happened Nik cut his hair and formed a punk band. One of the albums was called "Punkadelic", which describes ICU perfectly. As has been said he's also a hippie, spacerocker and ambiant houser. I agree, who needs labels? But having said that Nik's more punk than 80% of the so-called punks.:) -- Jon Browne From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sun Dec 29 23:29:47 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Max Wilcox) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 15:29:47 +1100 Subject: OFF: The REAL Floyd Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > In message <32C70F85.6A6B at student.uq.edu.au>, Max Wilcox > writes > > > > This is uterly off topic, but I feel that I have to chime in here. Do > >you realy think Floyd would have gone much further if Syd had stayed > >with them as the front man (front thing?)?. > > Do you mean having a loopy Syd or (in another world) a functioning Syd? > Obvoiusly they couldn't and didn't continue with Syd because of his > condition but if he'd been OK then why on Earth shouldn't he have > stayed? It *was* his band, man! Well, this is true. But, I realy don't believe they would have progressed even if Syd had stayed on the planet. I mean, if you look at all of his solo stuff, while being darn fantastic, it realy doesn't hint at bigger and better things. But, ofcourse, this could be because he was already gone when he did them... -Max Wilcox From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Dec 31 03:33:40 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 03:33:40 -0500 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: >It is kinda funny in a way, that past mebers seem to create solo >projects that encapsulate eras of the HW sound. Alan Davey's solo >project is typical (IMO) comtemporary HW, and Nik is classic HW. As >for Calvert, well he speaks of an era as well. HLL stuff is like >listening to the stuff he did while with HW. I haven't heard much >from any other past members but it would sure take my interest. Well, I just found Steve Swindells' "Fresh Blood" on cassette for a dollar. If you're considering checking this out, it doesn't really encapsulate any era of HW. It's basically poppy rock w/slight tinges of punk. Some songs are decent, some just medicocre. "Shot Down In The Night" is okay, but doesn't come close to equalling the energy of HW's version on Live '79...and no blanga. Chuck `[1;30;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From stayer at PI.NET Tue Dec 31 01:48:05 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 22:48:05 PST Subject: OFF: The REAL Floyd Message-ID: >>Do you realy think Floyd would have gone much further if Syd had stayed >>with them as the front man (front thing?)?. Jon said: >Do you mean having a loopy Syd or (in another world) a functioning Syd? >Obvoiusly they couldn't and didn't continue with Syd because of his >condition but if he'd been OK then why on Earth shouldn't he have >stayed? It *was* his band, man! To me, Floyd's best are still the first singles and first album. So, I agree, and also on the 'condition' part. Jerry From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Tue Dec 31 10:51:35 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 10:51:35 -0500 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks In-Reply-To: <01IDN8Y8B3UA8WYVO3@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Dec 31, 96 03:33:40 am Message-ID: Chuck sez-- > > >It is kinda funny in a way, that past mebers seem to create solo > >projects that encapsulate eras of the HW sound. Alan Davey's solo > >project is typical (IMO) comtemporary HW, and Nik is classic HW. As > >for Calvert, well he speaks of an era as well. HLL stuff is like > >listening to the stuff he did while with HW. I haven't heard much > >from any other past members but it would sure take my interest. > > Well, I just found Steve Swindells' "Fresh Blood" on cassette for a dollar. > If you're considering checking this out, it doesn't really encapsulate any > era of HW. It's basically poppy rock w/slight tinges of punk. Some songs are > decent, some just medicocre. "Shot Down In The Night" is okay, but doesn't > come close to equalling the energy of HW's version on Live '79...and no > blanga. This album reminds me a lot of Bruce Springsteen's work (no, I'm not a fan). The album is uniformally listenable, there's nothing that makes you cringe, but nothing that is really stellar either. IMHO, it would be a good solid album iff Huw Lloyd-Langton's guitar had been mixed in with a bit more signal. You can faintly hear some nice riffs fighting the smothering effect of Swindell's keyboards. Anyway, it's worth at least a dollar! :-) Of the solo stuff I've aquired over the years, I think I'm most fond of Nik Turner's _Xitintoday_. I never really liked Nik's sax noodling, but he's a decent flutist, and there's a lot of flute on this album. Steve Hillage adds some nice guitar work, and Miquette Giraudy nicely complements Nik's innate spacy-ness. :-) The Egyptian motif is kind of fun, too. Happy New Year!!!!! :-D Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM Tue Dec 31 10:30:19 1996 From: SPRAWL at STARLINX.COM (RJ) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 15:30:19 -0000 Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: > > Well, I just found Steve Swindells' "Fresh Blood" on cassette for a dollar. > > This album reminds me a lot of Bruce Springsteen's work (no, I'm not a fan). The > album is uniformally listenable, there's nothing that makes you cringe, but > nothing that is really stellar either. IMHO, it would be a good solid album iff > Huw Lloyd-Langton's guitar had been mixed in with a bit more signal. You can > faintly hear some nice riffs fighting the smothering effect of Swindell's keyboards. funny. i have never heard this album,but this is the second time i've heard it compared to springsteen. my friend has labeled it "failed pop." > Anyway, it's worth at least a dollar! :-) > Of the solo stuff I've aquired over the years, I think I'm most fond of Nik > Turner's _Xitintoday_. I never really liked Nik's sax noodling, but he's a decent > flutist, and there's a lot of flute on this album. Steve Hillage adds some nice > guitar work, and Miquette Giraudy nicely complements Nik's innate spacy-ness. :-) > The Egyptian motif is kind of fun, too. this sounds like a good deal.it is part of a set with sphynx,isnt it? i,like you, enjoy nik's fluting much more than his sax. imagine if he had a real flute! his flute is an intermediate grade instrument more suited for a student. he played my wife's flute at last years philly gig. we had to wrestle him to get it back! my wife's is a pro,solid silver yamaha 581h,with open holes. nik wanted to pull the plugs out, but he was not aware of how difficult it is to play open holed. but i tell ya, his skill with a flute is much better than it seems. the shortcoming is in the instrument, not in nik. my wife says it is extremely difficult to switch between sax and flute.something about "ambiture" its going from the vibrating reed in the sax to the completely different method used in fluting. > Happy New Year!!!!! :-D likewise,to you and to all. don't drink and drive,folks,please. dont mean to preach,but its only one sentence. ignore it if you must. rj > Guido From tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 31 13:54:40 1996 From: tojackso at LIBRARY.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL84) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 14:54:40 EDT Subject: HW: The REAL Hawks Message-ID: > Subject: Re: HW: The REAL Hawks > > > Happy New Year!!!!! :-D > > likewise,to you and to all. > don't drink and drive,folks,please. > dont mean to preach,but its only one sentence. ignore it if you must. > rj > > Guido Happy New Year: Drink a lot, Drive Fast, Take chances, and smoke in bed! theo From ABrevard at SHL.COM Tue Dec 31 16:22:00 1996 From: ABrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 15:22:00 -0600 Subject: BOC-L Digest - 30 Dec 1996 to 31 Dec 1996 Message-ID: From: "Ted Jackson jr. > Live for Me was the only other new one performed, but I loved it. Eerie, haunting vocals, and >gtr playing. In a word, excellent, and again, worthy of a place with >BOC's best. Am I the only list member who's heard them do X-ray Eyes Live? Its pretty cool song but it appears they have played it once (Jaxx Oct 96) and then put it in the closet. Wonder why. >The drummer was somebady filling in. They said his name but I don't remember, but >they said he's from Meatloaf's band. A new drummer? Hold that thought. >Biggest disappointment: EB is definitely in some kind of trouble. >He was almost reciting the words to the songs, and any parts that >needed power were backed up by BD and the bassist. At least he sang >all the songs he was supposed to rather than BD. But he was so quiet >and toned down as to be very disheartening. And he didn't look very >good either. Too thin, and very gaunt. I hate to say it, but I >think Allen looked more robust! This is really disheartening. When I saw them Eric just sat at the keys all night, barely said a word and only sang on Stairways. Buck did all the vox that night. Duriong the "zilla drum solo he introduced the drummer by one name and then called him Chuck Burgi then something else after it was completed, nobody in the palce was quite sure who was drumming. Lots of headscrathicng that night. Hey I love Eric too but something appears to be very wrong with him. Eric a couple of years ago looked amazing for a guy in his 50's, enough to make younger men jealous. He's always been lively and out there so this is really troublesome. Hope he's ok but if he has some physical problems or illness I 'd rather see the band tour without him temporarily than permanently. >Final word: It was great to see them in fine form. I really needed >them to kick ass for me, considering some of the stuff posted lately, >I was afraid they may not have it any more. Aside from very real >worries about EB, the band was excellent, and they played like it was >a football stadium and not a bar. BD, if this is possible, has >gotten even better on gtr. The new stuff is boffo, though it appears >that BOC is definitely becoming BD's band. He did much more rapping >to the crowd tha he's ever done in the past, and he acts a lot more >like a frontman, at least at this show. I was duly impressed. I'd >rate it a perfect 10 apart from EB's problems. As such, I can't >really rate the show, as EB is so important to the band. I fear that >they're headed onto a new incarnation of the group. Unless EB gets >back his fire, I don't see him being in the band much longer. Could >BOC exist without him? Should they evolve into something else? Only >the band and its fans can really answer this one. I loved what I saw >and heard, but the loss of EB's presence kind of cast a pall over my >enthusiasm. Torgo, Brian, Jason--what was your impression? >theo Maybe it is becoming BD's band which isn't all that bad. Buck is like a great wine, he seems to get better every year and could certainly carry the load. They don't have the same image without Eric, his shades and leather prancing around the stage and of course the sinister vocals are all out the window (most of it was gone when Al left anyway) but BD could carry this or any other band. Whatever's bothering Eric, hopefully is only temporary. Here's wishing good health to him and his. lil' ab "Pay to get in, Pray to get out." From debony at CYBERCOM.NET Tue Dec 31 17:02:55 1996 From: debony at CYBERCOM.NET (Antony & Debbie) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 17:02:55 -0500 Subject: HW: technicians of spaceship earth Message-ID: 2 things: i) what album(s) is the live version of "urban guerilla" from the hw collection (the castlerock one i think) from? ii) where is the codex hiding and has anyone hypertexed it? wal ps. hawkwind drives our kittens bonkers (ie hyper) whereas they can sleep thru hendrix's rippling guitar -- isn't that strange! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peacenik & Dreamflower `For every flower given, another grows inside.' PeacePie Paradise: http://www.cybercom.net/~debony "To wonder at something is to be aware of a wonder." -- M.C. Escher ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From debony at CYBERCOM.NET Tue Dec 31 17:29:31 1996 From: debony at CYBERCOM.NET (Antony & Debbie) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 17:29:31 -0500 Subject: happy new year! Message-ID: goodbye 96, hello 97! 97, year of our technicians of spaceship earth, 25 years on! happy new year everyone, hope its as hawkwindy as ever! peas ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peacenik & Dreamflower `For every flower given, another grows inside.' PeacePie Paradise: http://www.cybercom.net/~debony "To wonder at something is to be aware of a wonder." -- M.C. Escher ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Dec 31 18:58:59 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 18:58:59 -0500 Subject: Happy New Year, buds! Message-ID: I guess that it is already 1997 for you Youkayans what aren't over here, so I just wanted to wish all of you a happy and safe New Year (81F here in Palm Beach Gardens, why can't I get a job down here?!?!? Oh yeah, the gas prices are $0.40 more a gallon than Hotlanta....) objCDPlayer: Alan Parsons / On Air (damn sight better than the last one...plus, it has a bonus CD-ROM for the ol' laptop...) All the best! Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1513 bytes Desc: not available URL: