From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Mon Aug 26 07:16:04 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Assassin_Soniqu=E9?=) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:16:04 +1100 Subject: HW: Me too (was Re: HW: Covers: I got mine!) Message-ID: On 24 Jun 96 Johan Edlundh wrote about Re: HW: Covers: I got mine!: Yup - they've arrived Down Under ;^) :0) :) etc. Many thanks to all involved! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Thu Aug 1 14:49:05 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:49:05 EST Subject: OFF: Eloy-news In-Reply-To: <199608010405.OAA30250@burwood.pcmicro.com.au>; from "Assassin Sonique" at Aug 2, 96 12:52:57 pm Message-ID: > > On 31 Jul 96 at 9:21, Christian Mumford wrote: > > > Hmm.. I've always been curios about this band, but have never had the > > opportunity to actually hear them. From what I understand their late > > 70's period is considered "space-rock".... which album would be a good > > place to start for a rabid Hawkwind fan?? > > My tips - "Ocean" and "Colours". > I'll 2nd those with a bit of Planets thrown in as well. The earlier stuff always reminds me or tangerine dream ,maybe its the "deep" organ sound? Did anyone see them play at the Marquee around 84/85 ? or tape it? I've tried to get hold of this but to no avail. regards Marty From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Aug 1 00:13:23 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 00:13:23 -0400 Subject: OFF: Born to be wii-i-i-ild In-Reply-To: <199608010241.MAA05725@pigeon.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Peter Sondergeld wrote: > A quick Web search on BtbW reveals that, among others, covers have been done > live (didn't mention recorded) by Kansas, and recorded by The Cult (that's > Cult, not Blue Oyster...). My favourite is probably the version done by the Finnish band The Leningrad Cowboys, in that film they star in. Cheers, Paul. obCD: John Mayall, _Thru The Years_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Aug 1 01:07:49 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 00:07:49 -0500 Subject: HW: The Brain (Cleopatra) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So, has anybody purchased or had a chance to listen to The Brain's CD, "Access and Amplify"? I was thinking about ordering it at some point, but I'd like to know what to expect first. (Not the surgeons, you gather, but Paul Fox and Tommy Grenas of Pressurehed.) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Aug 1 04:01:28 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:01:28 +0200 Subject: Kings of Speed/Hawkwind Zoo?? Message-ID: Duane Hoyt wrote: >(snip) > > and I like the > instrumental Kings of Speed on the Hawkwind Zoo much better. >(snip) Whoa, what's that??? Where can I find this version?? Christian From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Aug 1 04:20:39 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:20:39 +0100 Subject: BOC & Olympics In-Reply-To: <9607312251.AA09619@crux.astr.ua.edu> from "Bryan Irby" at Jul 31, 96 05:51:46 pm Message-ID: > Of course, despite all that, I still can't explain how Jesse Helms has > managed to stay in office for so damn long without admitting there's > obviously some large, unpleasant portion of the NC population who want > him there. But I think that's changing. My parents both grew up in NC and I've got a lot of family down there. And I'd like to take this opportunity to say that JH has been the butt of family jokes the whole time he's been in office :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Thu Aug 1 09:23:03 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:23:03 U Subject: Born to be wii-i-i-ild Message-ID: >> Nooo! It's been my ambition for a number of years now to put together a = >> tape of cover versions of BtbW by different bands - >Have you got the one by the Ukelele Orchestra of Great Britain? It's >totally excellent! I've not got it, but coincidentally, I do have a link to the Uke Orchestra's home page on mine. Can't remember the URL, but I'm at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6717 Cheers, Rich. ** Sign on, you crazy diamond ** From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 1 09:51:39 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:51:39 BST Subject: Kings of Speed/Hawkwind Zoo?? In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's message of Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:01:28 +0200 Message-ID: Christian Mumford writes: > Duane Hoyt wrote: > >(snip) > > > and I like the > > instrumental Kings of Speed on the Hawkwind Zoo much better. > Whoa, what's that??? Where can I find this version?? >From the Codex: Kings Of Speed 1 Hawkwind Zoo 12" EP 1 Independent Days, Vol. II 1 Victoria double album 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 1 Independent Days Volumes 1&2 CD 2 Warrior On The Edge Of Time LP [United Artists] 2 Warrior On The Edge Of Time CD [Dojo] 2 a Kings of Speed/ Motorhead 7" 2 a Kings of Speed/Kings of Speed US 7" 2 a Warrior On The Edge Of Time LP [Atco] 2 a Warrior On The Edge Of Time CD [Griffin] * 2a is an edit of 2 * The US single is stereo on one side and mono on the other It's version 1 we're talking about here. FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Aug 1 04:59:10 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:59:10 +0100 Subject: Kings of Speed/Hawkwind Zoo?? In-Reply-To: <9608010951.aa09928@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Aug 1, 96 09:51:39 am Message-ID: > 2 Warrior On The Edge Of Time CD [Dojo] > 2 a Warrior On The Edge Of Time CD [Griffin] Ah, I knew I did right to hang onto both of these! :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Aug 1 05:42:52 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:42:52 +0100 Subject: Born to be wii-i-i-ild In-Reply-To: <199608010241.MAA05725@pigeon.qut.edu.au> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Peter Sondergeld wrote: > > A quick Web search on BtbW reveals that, among others, covers have been done > live (didn't mention recorded) by Kansas, and recorded by The Cult (that's > Cult, not Blue Oyster...). Some guy called Stephen Wolf did one too. > Hmm, some people, I dunno :-I I don't know if it's on record, but Slade played BtbW on stage. In fact, they played it at Donnington in 1981 before BOC went on and bombed. Dave From D.M.Bottomley at LBORO.AC.UK Thu Aug 1 10:48:53 1996 From: D.M.Bottomley at LBORO.AC.UK (David Bottomley) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:48:53 BST Subject: OFF: Eloy/WotEoT Message-ID: At 15:27 31/07/96 BST, you wrote: >There was a mid-period compilation but I've forgotten what it was >called. >FoFP This was 'Wings of Vision' and I reckon it dates from 80/1. It made occasional appearances for a year or so then disappeared never to be seen again. I'm sure it's not been re-issued on CD. I never bought a copy, so can't remember the exact track listing but I seem to recall that the title track was the only one that didn't appear on other LPs. I think most of the others were from 'Colours', 'Ocean' and 'SCaME'. Given that WoV itself is on the comp of early years material, I guess there's no need for this to be re-issued. I also recall that the cover was an exact duplication of 'Ocean' for some strange reason. BTW, I'd recommend bits of 'Inside' and 'Floating', all of 'Ocean' and avoid 'Power and the Passion' like the plague - it contains possibly the most embarassing moments in recorded rock history IMHO! Cheers Dave B From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu Aug 1 06:33:16 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 06:33:16 -0400 Subject: Kings of Speed/Hawkwind Zoo?? Message-ID: >>(snip) >> > and I like the >> instrumental Kings of Speed on the Hawkwind Zoo much better. > >>(snip) > >Whoa, what's that??? Where can I find this version?? > >Christian > > Good luck finding it. I got a tape of it in a trade. Duane From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Aug 1 06:45:57 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:45:57 +0200 Subject: Kings of Speed/Hawkwind Zoo?? Message-ID: Duane Hoyt wrote: > > > Good luck finding it. I got a tape of it in a trade. > Anybody want to make me a copy? (along with maybe other non rarities like the 1980(?) Urban Guerilla or even the Samantha Fox Gimme Shelter etc..?) Hopefully I have something worth trading back! Christian From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Aug 1 06:50:34 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:50:34 +0200 Subject: Kings of Speed/Hawkwind Zoo?? Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > > Duane Hoyt wrote: > > > > > > Good luck finding it. I got a tape of it in a trade. > > > > Anybody want to make me a copy? > (along with maybe other (oops) rarities like the 1980(?) Urban Guerilla or > even the Samantha Fox Gimme Shelter etc..?) Hopefully I have something > worth trading back! > > Christian From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Thu Aug 1 11:53:30 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:53:30 +-100 Subject: Huw Lloyd-Langton Message-ID: What is he doing now? From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Thu Aug 1 07:50:55 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:50:55 +0000 Subject: Born to be wii-i-i-ild Message-ID: Hardman DK wrote: > I don't know if it's on record, but Slade played BtbW on stage. In fact, > they played it at Donnington in 1981 before BOC went on and bombed. > > Dave There is a live recording of it by slade from the early 70's. Dont have a name or anyother details, it was on a complataion tape I had years ago. Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Aug 1 06:56:42 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:56:42 +0200 Subject: Huw Lloyd-Langton Message-ID: Mike Parkington wrote: > > What is he doing now? I read a few years ago in Freak Beat that he joined a band called Dr. Brown (?). Christian From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Aug 1 07:45:49 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 04:45:49 PDT Subject: OFF: Eloy/WotEoT In-Reply-To: <9608010948.AA14386@hpc.lboro.ac.uk>; from "David Bottomley" at Aug 1, 96 10:48 am Message-ID: > > At 15:27 31/07/96 BST, you wrote: > > >There was a mid-period compilation but I've forgotten what it was > >called. > > >FoFP > > This was 'Wings of Vision' and I reckon it dates from 80/1. It made > occasional appearances for a year or so then disappeared never to be seen > again. I'm sure it's not been re-issued on CD. I never bought a copy, so > can't remember the exact track listing but I seem to recall that the title > track was the only one that didn't appear on other LPs. I think most of the > others were from 'Colours', 'Ocean' and 'SCaME'. Given that WoV itself is on > the comp of early years material, I guess there's no need for this to be > re-issued. I also recall that the cover was an exact duplication of 'Ocean' > for some strange reason. > Uhhh, I think that this is a mis-identified sighting of "Rareities", as "WoV" is on that puppy twice. The cover is that of the earth as seen from space. It most definitly is on CD (I have it) and it was issued around 1992 or so. I don't know of any mid-period compiliation, however. If anyone wants it, I think I have a discography floating around somewhere... > BTW, I'd recommend bits of 'Inside' and 'Floating', all of 'Ocean' and avoid > 'Power and the Passion' like the plague - it contains possibly the most > embarassing moments in recorded rock history IMHO! > What, you don't like songs about time-altering drugs and disco dancing? ;-) (I'm with you on this, BTW) > Cheers > > Dave B > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Thu Aug 1 12:43:45 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:43:45 U Subject: OFF: BtbW - the story so far Message-ID: >Hardman DK wrote: >> I don't know if it's on record, but Slade played BtbW on stage. In fact, >> they played it at Donnington in 1981 before BOC went on and bombed. >> >> Dave >There is a live recording of it by slade from the early >70's. Dont have a name or anyother details, it was on >a complataion tape I had years ago. The list currently runs to... Steppenwolf BOC The Cult Kansas Spider (UK, not US) Raven Feat. Udo Dirkschneider Slade Leslie West Ozzy Osborne & Miss Piggy (Yes, really) Lizzy Borden Leatherwolf The Leningrad Cowboys The Ukelele Orchestra of Great Britain Bruce Springsteen and also... Elven Zombies on Dog Pyldriver Supreme Court Decision University of Rochester Varsity Pop Band Anyone else know of / see any versions? Cheers, Rich. ** Sign on, you crazy diamond ** From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Aug 1 08:20:33 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 08:20:33 -0400 Subject: OFF: BtbW - the story so far Message-ID: >Anyone else know of / see any versions? I can't remember when exactly, but in my mind the official death of this song occurred when it was used in an ad for some kind of family van or station wagon (I keep thinking it was an Isuzu, but could be wrong) that featured a typical "commercial" family singing this song as they boarded this completely conservtive family vehicle... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Aug 1 10:12:23 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:12:23 EST Subject: FZ r.i.p. Message-ID: > As for Jesse Helms, well, my old roommates in Chapel Hill and I came very close > to mailing him, COD, an old toilet that was removed from our house, perhaps > filled with something unpleasant to show him our support of the "preverted > arts"... It's what Frank Zappa would have wanted us to do, isn't it...? > > -Bryan Le bon Dieu a son ame... From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Aug 1 10:19:18 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 09:19:18 -0500 Subject: OFF: BtbW - the story so far Message-ID: > I can't remember when exactly, but in my mind the official death of this > song occurred when it was used in an ad for some kind of family van > or station wagon (I keep thinking it was an Isuzu, but could be wrong) > that featured a typical "commercial" family singing this song as they > boarded this completely conservtive family vehicle... > +-------------------------------------------------------+ > Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Good God! Is nothing sacred? From brendah at MBAY.NET Thu Aug 1 03:10:28 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (Brenda Holloway) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 07:10:28 +0000 Subject: BOC: Covers and The Big 3 Message-ID: > From: "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" > > I personally find myself headed to the bar...gettin' me a cold one and scopin > > out the babes...preferrably the ones that have more than 3 teeth... > > > Robo, > Might be a long and fruitless search at a BOC gig. Any women at all > are rare, and those with acceptable dentition/fewer than 4 tattoos, > etc... Ahem... brenda --- Brenda Holloway * Sony New Business Development brendah at mbay.net * http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Aug 1 10:15:37 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 00:15:37 +1000 Subject: cut the crap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Hardman DK wrote: > On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Ted Jackson jr. EL 84 wrote: > > > > Hm, I'd like to see a gig where they'd replaced Reaper, Godzilla and Cities > > > with three others. I;ve heard enough versions of those by now... > > > > > > Jerry > > > > Toss in Born to be Wild while you're at it! > > theo > > > They'd better come up with some good stuff for the next album too, cos > Harvest Moon and See You In Black are already starting to seem like old > numbers! > > Dave > One day you guys are gonna get the hint. All this complaining about the BOC setlist drives those of us who are sorry enough to live in countries where BOC have never and will never tour absolutely nuts. We have had the same bloody setlist ever since ETL. To us Eric Bloom is a God who lives in another universe. Buck may not even exist. Allen may be a computer generated hologram. It could all be a media trick, run by the Illuminati, or the Gnomes of Zurich. Please BOC, come to Australia! We have good beer! Honest! We need to hear another setlist besides OYFOOYK, SEE, ETL etc. Brain Surgeons, too, heed the call !!! Ramblin' on, Troy (On his poor Aussie bleedin' heart routine again) :) From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Aug 1 10:37:50 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:37:50 -0400 Subject: Kings of Speed/Hawkwind Zoo?? In-Reply-To: <199608011033.AA08950@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Aug 1, 96 06:33:16 am Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: > > >>(snip) > >> > and I like the > >> instrumental Kings of Speed on the Hawkwind Zoo much better. > > > >>(snip) > > > >Whoa, what's that??? Where can I find this version?? > > Good luck finding it. I got a tape of it in a trade. Mighty Hawkwind Classics isn't THAT hard to find, and it has lots of other great stuff on it as well (I love the version of Motorhead on there, and there's a great alternate take on Song of the Swords as well). And its also probably the easiest way to get Valium 10. Steve From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Aug 1 10:43:15 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:43:15 -0400 Subject: OFF: BtbW - the story so far In-Reply-To: <331758669C4@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" at Aug 1, 96 09:19:18 am Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL 84 writes: > > > I can't remember when exactly, but in my mind the official death of this > > song occurred when it was used in an ad for some kind of family van > > or station wagon (I keep thinking it was an Isuzu, but could be wrong) > > that featured a typical "commercial" family singing this song as they > > boarded this completely conservtive family vehicle... > > +-------------------------------------------------------+ > > Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" > > Good God! Is nothing sacred? As far as I'm concerned, ever since Nike used "Revolution" to sell sneakers, all bets are off. They might as well use "Holiday in Cambodia" to sell package tours, now. Steve swann at panix.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Aug 1 10:47:55 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:47:55 -0400 Subject: BOC sets Message-ID: Ken asks: >My question: During the Mirrors tour, BOC played a cover of Deep Purple's "Highway Star" which rocked. I have yet to see this ever mentioned or even show up on tapes. Anyone out there also recall hearing this in concert? I haven't seen it on tape - perhaps Bolle has. If Albert's out there, perhaps he could elaborate on how often BOC did Highway Star? John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Aug 1 10:58:27 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:58:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: cut the crap Message-ID: Just a few comments on Theo and Steve's BOC comments... I wish BOC would go ahead and try some new stuff as well - of course, some of Buck's stuff was tried a few years ago in "The Red and the Black", and perhaps the lack of success with that project has made him re-think such things? As far as letting the fans decide, and going out in a blaze rather than dying a slow death... first of all, the band is gonna do what they are gonna do - hopefully they enjoy it, and whatever they do the fans will ultimately decide by buying into or not buying into the product. I don't know which way is really "better" to go out (although hopefully it isn't coming to that anytime too soon), and I think we've got to leave that to the band to decide. But, this thread has been re-hashed too many times for me to contribute to it rationally anymore. I'm just gonna enjoy BOC for all its worth for as long as I can, and when I die, maybe they can slip the headphones over my ears, put in the first album in my portable CD player, and play "Stairway to the Stars" on repeat mode until the batteries wear out . . . Finally, there probably isn't a BOC fan out there who doesn't have some desire to see the original line-up re-united again. But, that is a "fantassy distillation of reality" - ain't gonna happen. John From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Thu Aug 1 10:55:01 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:55:01 +0100 Subject: OFF: BtbW - the story so far Message-ID: Andrea A Apold wrote: > I can't remember when exactly, but in my mind the official death of this > song occurred when it was used in an ad for some kind of family van > or station wagon (I keep thinking it was an Isuzu, but could be wrong) > that featured a typical "commercial" family singing this song as they > boarded this completely conservtive family vehicle... Surely this was an example of post-modern irony? Or maybe you misheard and they were singing Born to be Mild..... Chris From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Aug 1 10:59:10 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:59:10 -0400 Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: ROBO asks: >speaking of which, does the FAQ credit the woman that HOWLS on Feet/Knees introducing BOC b4 Born 2B wild?? I don't believe it is, but it should be -- Patti Smith, right? John From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Aug 1 10:57:37 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:57:37 +0100 Subject: OFF: BtbW - the story so far In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 01 Aug 1996 10:43:15 EDT." <199608011443.KAA28552@phantom.mindvox.com> Message-ID: > > Good God! Is nothing sacred? > > As far as I'm concerned, ever since Nike used "Revolution" to sell > sneakers, all bets are off. Must admit I rather choked a bit when I heard the "Search & Destroy" Nike ad for the Olympics. As a sidenote, don't suppose anybody knows who did the music for either the latest Volvo or Landrover Discovery ads in the UK ? > They might as well use "Holiday > in Cambodia" to sell package tours, now. :-) Unrelated, but dancing to that on monday night gave me mild whiplash :-/ Or maybe it was the excellent thrash section that segued March of the Pigs/ Just One Fix/ Roots Bloody Roots/ Low Self Esteem. Tim ObCD: Paradise Lost _Draconian Times_ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Aug 1 11:00:21 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:00:21 -0400 Subject: BOC: Covers and The Big 3 Message-ID: >and lastley, with BOC's vast catalogue, why cling to the same mold over and over again? break out Redeemed or the Subhuman or Tenderloin... My guess is laziness may be part of the problem... From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Aug 1 11:03:47 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 17:03:47 +0200 Subject: Kings of Speed/Hawkwind Zoo?? Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > And its also probably the easiest way to get Valium 10. > I just go to my psychiatrist...... (I've had this strange compulsion to drill a hole in my head since yesterday..)8-) Christian From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Aug 1 11:29:05 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 16:29:05 +0100 Subject: BOC: Covers and The Big 3 In-Reply-To: <199608011408.HAA31809@otter.mbay.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Brenda Holloway wrote: > > From: "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" > > > I personally find myself headed to the bar...gettin' me a cold one and scopin > > > out the babes...preferrably the ones that have more than 3 teeth... > > > > > Robo, > > Might be a long and fruitless search at a BOC gig. Any women at all > > are rare, and those with acceptable dentition/fewer than 4 tattoos, > > etc... > > Ahem... > > brenda > --- So presumably, a woman with 4 teeth and one tattoo that covers her entire body counts as a babe? Dave From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Aug 1 11:34:55 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 16:34:55 +0100 Subject: BOC: Short Sets In-Reply-To: <199608011459.KAA00601@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, John A Swartz wrote: > ROBO asks: > > >speaking of which, does the FAQ credit the woman that HOWLS on Feet/Knees > introducing BOC b4 Born 2B wild?? > > I don't believe it is, but it should be -- Patti Smith, right? Don't know why, but despite the high-pitched voice I'd always taken this for a man....Geddy Lee maybe? Dave From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Aug 1 12:55:34 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:55:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: > ROBO asks: > > >speaking of which, does the FAQ credit the woman that HOWLS on Feet/Knees > introducing BOC b4 Born 2B wild?? > > I don't believe it is, but it should be -- Patti Smith, right? > > John I thought it was 'Miss Carol Dodd." theo From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Aug 1 12:03:49 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:03:49 -0400 Subject: ADMIN: Is BOC-L ftp working? Message-ID: Sorry, I don't remember Ben's e-mail address, but I thought he might like to look into this. I tried to anonymous ftp to the BOC-L files but it bombed out complaining about an expired licence. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- csgrad% ftp ftp.spc.edu Connected to spcvxa.spc.edu. 220 spcvxa.spc.edu MultiNet FTP Server Process V4.0(15) at Thu 1-Aug-96 11:55AMT Name (ftp.spc.edu:paul): anonymous 331 anonymous user ok. Send real ident as password. Password: 530-%LICENSE-E-NOAUTH, TGV MULTINET use is not authorized on this node 530--LICENSE-F-NOLICENSE, no license is active for this software product 530 -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system manager Login failed. ftp> bye 221 QUIT command received. Goodbye. csgrad% ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- Snip ----- From uicpc at UICIECHI.IT Thu Aug 1 12:16:39 1996 From: uicpc at UICIECHI.IT (Unione Italiana Ciechi Sezione di PIACENZA) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:16:39 +0200 Subject: Simon King Message-ID: I think he's been the best drummer in Hawkwind 'family'! What is he doing now? Andrea. From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 1 12:18:55 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:18:55 -0400 Subject: Born to be wii-i-i-ild Message-ID: >> Nooo! It's been my ambition for a number of years now to put together a = >> tape of cover versions of BtbW by different bands - >Have you got the one by the Ukelele Orchestra of Great Britain? It's >totally excellent! If someone is actually doing this, I'd love a copy. Plus the Ukelele Orchestra, of course! DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 1 12:21:54 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:21:54 -0400 Subject: BOC: cut the crap Message-ID: The reality was that the visionary manager/booking agent Steve Shenck could make more money right off the top with BOC (which of course contained the same hired hands, not to mention much of the same material, as the Red&the Black). But while some artists are driven, some are simply lazy. This is nothing new. By the way, the immediate lack of success was hardly an impediment to the original BOC. There is no such thing as "overnight" success in real life, even in show biz, only in fairytales. But the people who were driven, by either creative ambition or professional pride (including Sandy Pearlman, who originally saw in Donald the potential for fulfilling his own desires to be a "starmaker") are no longer involved. The real problem is that the most talented of 30C is probably a little too comfortable to make any real change or decision. It's easier to make excuses. From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Thu Aug 1 12:38:22 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 17:38:22 +0100 Subject: BOC: short repetitive sets In-Reply-To: <960801122153_250538358@emout19.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: When was the last time they went out as Soft White Underbelly? I understand that at one time they used to do special fans' shows which even included Stalk Forrest material. I get the impression from recent postings that some shows along those lines would be just what Dr Music ordered... - Mike Godwin PS And when did they last play 'Workshop'? I've never seen them do it, but it's on that EP, so they certainly played it live in the old days. I thought they would be bound to include it when plugging the CD. From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 1 12:53:10 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:53:10 -0400 Subject: OFF: For Operator Assistance Message-ID: For Service, Call Someone Who Cares Hello, and thanks for calling. Your call is very important to us and, we're sure, to all of mankind. If you would like to challenge my sincerity, press 1. We are currently experiencing a high volume of calls and frankly, you are not helping the situation. 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From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Thu Aug 1 12:55:22 1996 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Karl Hiller) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:55:22 -0500 Subject: *sigh* tape trading In-Reply-To: <960731143928_589262320@emout18.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Somebody wrote: > If anyone's interested in a dub, send me your tradelist. I just wanted to confirm an impression that I've gotten. Namely, that there is a sort of Catch-22 situation surrounding tape trading. A while back on Usenet, I was looking for tapes of Pixies concerts, and every single person who I corresponded with was only interested in trading for other concert tapes. I understand that part of the reason for this is to avoid getting in trouble for selling tapes (although I'm not sure that trading is any more legal...) However, it seems that the only way to get tapes is to already have them. I'd love to have some BOC/HW concert tapes, but since I don't have anything to offer in trade, I'm pretty well screwed. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get a foot in the door, so to speak? Thanks, Karl From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Aug 1 13:58:02 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:58:02 -0500 Subject: BD the sofa spud? Message-ID: Deb sez: > The reality was that the visionary manager/booking agent Steve Shenck could > make more money right off the top with BOC (which of course contained the > same hired hands, not to mention much of the same material, as the Red&the > Black). But while some artists are driven, some are simply lazy. This is > nothing new. Right, and spare himself the headache of having to put an enlarged show on the road. Pretty decent profit to him for doing almost nothing--the band runs itself, esp. w/the same old same old list. A revamped BOC, while an ambitious effort would be speculative and risky. Better biz for SS to sit back with the status quo... > By the way, the immediate lack of success was hardly an impediment to > the original BOC. There is no such thing as "overnight" success in real life, > even in show biz, only in fairytales. But the people who were driven, by > either creative ambition or professional pride (including Sandy Pearlman, who Say what ya want about SP, the band was better off with him than without, at least as far as creativity goes. Personally, well... > originally saw in Donald the potential for fulfilling his own desires to be a > "starmaker") are no longer involved. > The real problem is that the most talented of 30C is probably a little > too comfortable to make any real change or decision. It's easier to make > excuses. Too bad indeed, 'cause he is a truly talented musician, whatever one's opinion of the way he's treated people over the years.. theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Aug 1 14:01:09 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:01:09 EST Subject: *sigh* tape trading Message-ID: > Somebody wrote: > > > If anyone's interested in a dub, send me your tradelist. > > I just wanted to confirm an impression that I've gotten. Namely, that > there is a sort of Catch-22 situation surrounding tape trading. > > A while back on Usenet, I was looking for tapes of Pixies concerts, and > every single person who I corresponded with was only interested in > trading for other concert tapes. I understand that part of the reason > for this is to avoid getting in trouble for selling tapes (although I'm > not sure that trading is any more legal...) However, it seems that the > only way to get tapes is to already have them. > > I'd love to have some BOC/HW concert tapes, but since I don't have > anything to offer in trade, I'm pretty well screwed. Does anyone have > any suggestions on how to get a foot in the door, so to speak? > > Thanks, > > Karl Karl, A lot of folks will trade you for blank tapes, or dub stuff onto blanks you send them. Try that approach.. theo From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Thu Aug 1 13:15:11 1996 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Karl Hiller) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 12:15:11 -0500 Subject: BOC/HW ratio In-Reply-To: <31FE24A2.7DF@eunet.no> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > What's the ratio of Hawkwind fans, Blue Oyster Cult fans, and fans of > both on this list?? Well, I'm both. If I had to pick one as a primary band, I'd say BOC, because I'm more familiar with them. In my mind, BOC is a fairly tidy package -- I know about all the band members and personnel changes; I have all their albums and can have an intelligent conversation about what I like/dislike about each song, and what the lyrics might mean; etc. I could sit down write a paper about them right now if I had to. If BOC is a fishbowl, then Hawkwind is a flooded basement. I gave up trying to keep track of which songs were on which albums a long time ago, thanks to the plethora of compilations, recompilations, and re-recompilations. BOC has songs that I don't particularly like, on albums that are otherwise decent; Hawkwind has whole albums that I can't stand, either because of the sound quality (Yuri Gagarin, anyone?) or because I just plain don't like the music (PXR5, Astounding Sounds). Also, being in the US, it's been *much* harder to find old Hawkwind (I've only ever seen CYM and Somic Attack once, and if I hadn't met the guy who taped them for me at Ohio State, I would never have heard two of my favorite HW albums!) and much harder to keep up with new releases (I found Palace Springs, Electric Tepee, and IITBOTFTBD before I knew that they existed, and at first thought that they were more re-re-recompilations!). And, I've seen BOC twice, and HW never. > Now another question would be: how many BOC fans have picked up Hawkwind > albums or seen them live because of this list, and how many Hawkwind > fans have done vice versa? I was into both before I found this list. Probably BOC first. I did get introduced to the Brain Surgeons here. Karl From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Aug 1 13:34:38 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 19:34:38 +0200 Subject: *sigh* tape trading Message-ID: Karl Hiller wrote: > > Somebody wrote: > > > If anyone's interested in a dub, send me your tradelist. > > I just wanted to confirm an impression that I've gotten. Namely, that > there is a sort of Catch-22 situation surrounding tape trading. > > A while back on Usenet, I was looking for tapes of Pixies concerts, and > every single person who I corresponded with was only interested in > trading for other concert tapes. Been there! If you still are looking for Pixies live tapes I got a couple of good ones... and I don't mind getting copies of "non-bootlegs" in return! Christian From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Aug 1 13:34:28 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:34:28 -0400 Subject: BOC: Re: BD the sofa spud? Message-ID: One of the things that came through the Goldmine hagiography was how they've always felt constrained to "sound like BOC" - as if they were always acting a part, not being themselves. Perhaps because that's how SP created their image, and when SP had other ideas, he did them with other bands? But when they did feel stifled by SP's direction, when they did try to take control, change the sound, whatever, we ended up with failures like _Mirrors_. Plus, the two times that BD tried something outside of BOC (_Flat Out_, and The Red & The Black), they were both greeted with mass apathy from fans and critics alike. So I can understand why, now, they'd rather not try anything new. It's still a shame. And it still doesn't forgive _Cult Classic_. >From a purely street-credibility aspect, of course, the best thing they could have done is break up right after _Feet or Knees_... :) - Andy ObCD: Wayne Kramer - _Dangerous Madness_ From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Thu Aug 1 13:44:32 1996 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 10:44:32 -0700 Subject: OFF:Trepanation?? In-Reply-To: <9607311607.AA03863@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: Is this true, or is someone just pulling the wool over everyone's eyes? I've seen this on the 'thirdeye' web site (http://zikzak.zikzak.net/~thirdeye/), but I'm a bit skeptical as to the authenticity of some of it; some of the events seem a bit too convenient, or perhaps too surreal. (Though there have been procedures like that in the history of medicine.) Oh well, I can't say it's not interesting. But I need a third eye like I need... uh, never mind. :) -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu Phone: (206) 547-6164 [snip] > > THE PEOPLE WITH HOLES IN THEIR HEADS > etc, see previous post for full tale. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Aug 1 13:59:34 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 13:59:34 -0400 Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: ROBO asks: > > >speaking of which, does the FAQ credit the woman that HOWLS on Feet/Knees > introducing BOC b4 Born 2B wild?? > > I don't believe it is, but it should be -- Patti Smith, right? Don't know why, but despite the high-pitched voice I'd always taken this for a man....Geddy Lee maybe? I used to think it was Geddy Lee too -- but I'm pretty sure I've heard or read that it was Patti Smith. John From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 1 14:07:53 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:07:53 -0400 Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: In a message dated 96-07-31 17:25:40 EDT, you write: << did they have problems getting Allen to howl at the end of the song????? >> Well, as I said, they had problems with the ending. Allen's howl got lost in the confusion... :-( R. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Aug 1 14:07:10 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:07:10 -0400 Subject: BOC: short repetitive sets Message-ID: >When was the last time they went out as Soft White Underbelly? I understand that at one time they used to do special fans' shows which even included Stalk Forrest material. I get the impression from recent postings that some shows along those lines would be just what Dr Music ordered... Last time I hear of a "Soft White Underbelly" BOC gig was in Boston in 1985. They didn't do any old SWU/SFG material though. Actually, I think that even most of the gigs they did as SWU in the 80's didn't have much SWU/SFG material - of course the Old Waldorf show in 1980 has a great rendition of "Arthur Comics". BOC doing "Soft White Underbelly" shows is probably no longer a viable alternative - I mean billing themselves as SWU (I think it would be very cool if they tried to revive a few of the old SWU/SFG tunes). BOC has a hard enough time filling clubs -- how many people other than die-hard BOC fans (and their numbers have dwindled greatly since the early 80's) would go see a band billed as "Soft White Underbelly"? John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Aug 1 15:09:16 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:09:16 EST Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: > > >speaking of which, does the FAQ credit the woman that HOWLS on Feet/Knees > > introducing BOC b4 Born 2B wild?? > > > > I don't believe it is, but it should be -- Patti Smith, right? > > Don't know why, but despite the high-pitched voice I'd always taken this > for a man....Geddy Lee maybe? > > > I used to think it was Geddy Lee too -- but I'm pretty sure I've heard or read > that it was Patti Smith. > > John The liner notes credit to 'Miss Carol Dodd.' A nom de guerre of Patti's? theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Aug 1 14:17:31 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:17:31 -0400 Subject: BOC: Re: BD the sofa spud? Message-ID: I found it interesting that Sandy Pearlman admitted (this was in the Goldmine article) that he thought (using 20-20 hindsight) that the band should've done *Imaginos* in the late 70's -- one can only speculate how history would've changed if *Imaginos* was released as a full-blown production (double album) in 1979 instead of *Mirrors*, with BOC riding on the wave of the success of *Some Enchanted Evening* (when, by Albert's admission in the Goldmine article, was probably when the band was perhaps playing as a unit better than any other period), and then supporting *Imaginos* with a big tour continuing the use of the lasers . . . o.k., back to reality. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Aug 1 15:23:57 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:23:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: Re: BD the sofa spud? Message-ID: > I found it interesting that Sandy Pearlman admitted (this was in the Goldmine > article) that he thought (using 20-20 hindsight) that the band should've done > *Imaginos* in the late 70's -- one can only speculate how history would've > changed if *Imaginos* was released as a full-blown production (double album) > in 1979 instead of *Mirrors*, with BOC riding on the wave of the success of > *Some Enchanted Evening* (when, by Albert's admission in the Goldmine article, > was probably when the band was perhaps playing as a unit better than any other > period), and then supporting *Imaginos* with a big tour continuing the use of > the lasers . . . o.k., back to reality. > > John But how to deal with 'Imaginos' live? If performed in its entirety, they'd have to forsake all the favorites [sound familiar]. But then, at the height of their popularity, maybe the fans would've accepted it, like the Who's fans taking to a whole night of Tommy? theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Aug 1 14:48:01 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:48:01 -0400 Subject: OFF: My trip to the circus Message-ID: As previously mentioned, I went to last night's KISS show in Boston. I've written a review, and am posting it here for anyone who might be interested in reading it. While Buck Dharma might be able to blow Ace Frehley out of the water, and while no-one would mistake songs as "Last Days of May", "Astronomy", or "Flaming Telepaths" as being KISS songs (although "Beat 'em Up" might have been something KISS could've wrote ;-) ), there is no denying KISS' position as one of the greatest live acts in rock and roll (o.k., one can deny it, but there are plenty of people who will disagree with you). Anyways, if nothing else, KISS is eye and ear-candy, and I'm on quite a sugar high right now. John KISS at the Fleet Center, Boston MA -- 7/31/96 (second of 2 sold-out shows) There have been plenty of reviews posted on-line at the KISS Asylum web-site (http://web-hou.iapc.net/~deuce/KISS/), and if anyone wants detailed info on the shows, or other reviews by rabid KISS fans, then check them out. Last night's show at the Fleet Center was unbelievable, and took me back to my early teenage days when KISS was at the peak of their popularity. The 90's version of rock and roll's greatest show on earth lived up to all of the hype and reviews I've read on the internet and in the music publications. Anyone who never saw KISS in the 70's should do themselves a favor and find out what all the fuss is about. And for those who thought that this tour might be some pathetic attempt by an old burnt-out band to try and just make some extra cash ... well, you gotta see it for yourself, but this band came out and delivered the goods with an energy that would put alot of bands out there today to shame. While all the members of KISS are between the ages of 40 and 50, they moved around the stage and tore through a 2-hour set with the same energy, musicianship, and showmanship as they did 20 years ago. And while many would argue the merits of KISS' music, I've listened to it enough over the years to believe otherwise -- and based on how much the crowd was singing along with ALL of the songs, over 10,0000 fans in Boston would believe otherwise as well. As has been reported in other reviews, the band was ON - they all looked great and were really into it. Paul Stanley jumped around and worked the crowd as he always does. Gene Simmons stalked the stage, flicked his tongue, and wiggled his crotch at all the women (at least I would assume they were all women), Peter Criss pounded the drums and also sang "Beth" (which he apparently couldn't do a few nights previous in New York due to reported voice problems), and Ace Frehley was the spaceman we all know and love (anyone out there who's heard rumors of Ace being sick and on the verge of being replaced -- don't believe it!! The man was dead on all night, and really into the show). The stage, as had been reported, is pretty bare by 70's standards - no flashing staircases, no smoke-breathing dragon. But this did not detract from the show at all as the band moved all over the stage with all their signature moves (and additional microphones allowed them to sing from various points on the stage). The best thing included in the stage was the large video screens, which enabled me, sitting about as far away from the stage as I could get, to see the band up close (which was really great, especially for things like Ace's solos, and Gene's blood-spitting). Lots of lights, smoke, fire, and bombs going off throughout the show put it all over the top. Here's the setlist, in roughly the order performed: Deuce King of the Nighttime World Do You Love Me Calling Dr. Love Cold Gin (1st verse - Gene, 2nd verse - Ace) Let Me Go Rock and Roll Shock Me (featuring Ace's extended solo - including a portion of "Beethoven's 5th" -complete with smoking guitar, which later flew off into the rafters, and Ace playing another guitar which shot rockets) Shout it Out Loud Watchin' You Firehouse (featuring Gene's firebreathing) Strutter Rock Bottom God of Thunder (featuring Gene's bass solo - not really a "solo" per se, but alot of monstrous sounds to lead up to his famous - blood spitting, Gene flying up to the top of the lighting truss to sing the song; and Peter's drum solo in the middle of the song) New York Groove (Ace playing his flashing guitar) Love Gun 100,000 Years Black Diamond (featuring a guitar solo by Paul prior to the intro, and Peter's levitating drum kit at the end, while Gene, Paul, and Peter road out over the crowd on levitating platforms) encores: Detroit Rock City Beth Rock and Roll All Night (featuring fireworks, confetti, and Paul smashing his guitar) And a good time was had by all . . . From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 1 14:53:56 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 14:53:56 -0400 Subject: *sigh* tape trading Message-ID: > I'd love to have some BOC/HW concert tapes, but since I don't have > anything to offer in trade, I'm pretty well screwed. Does anyone have > any suggestions on how to get a foot in the door, so to speak? > > Thanks, > > Karl SOP for a "newbie" (someone who doesn't have anything to trade) is to send a blank and return postage to the dubber. Some traders require 2 blanks (one to dub onto, the other to compensate for time and trouble). Some require 3. Some sell tapes for $'s. Depends upon who you're dealing with. I don't like to do trades for blanks and I seldom do them. My goal is to increase my tape collection, not to increase someone elses. However, I do trades for blanks only when I'm in a good mood! :-) Ric From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Aug 1 15:16:59 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:16:59 -0400 Subject: Kings of Speed/Hawkwind Zoo?? In-Reply-To: <3200C753.311E@eunet.no> from "Christian Mumford" at Aug 1, 96 05:03:47 pm Message-ID: Christian Mumford writes: > > Stephen Swann wrote: > > And its also probably the easiest way to get Valium 10. > > > > I just go to my psychiatrist...... (I've had this strange compulsion to > drill a hole in my head since yesterday..)8-) You know, the very moment after I hit the Send button, I had a premonition that someone was going to read it that way... (Could it be the company I keep?) ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Aug 1 15:24:52 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:24:52 -0400 Subject: *sigh* tape trading In-Reply-To: from "Karl Hiller" at Aug 1, 96 11:55:22 am Message-ID: Karl Hiller writes: > > I just wanted to confirm an impression that I've gotten. Namely, that > there is a sort of Catch-22 situation surrounding tape trading. > > A while back on Usenet, I was looking for tapes of Pixies concerts, and > every single person who I corresponded with was only interested in > trading for other concert tapes. I understand that part of the reason > for this is to avoid getting in trouble for selling tapes (although I'm > not sure that trading is any more legal...) However, it seems that the > only way to get tapes is to already have them. Some more sympathetic traders will help a newbie "break in" by trading concerts for (sometimes double the number of) blanks. Identify yourself as a beginner, and almost certainly someone will help you out. Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Aug 1 15:30:39 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:30:39 -0400 Subject: BOC/HW ratio In-Reply-To: from "Karl Hiller" at Aug 1, 96 12:15:11 pm Message-ID: Karl Hiller writes: > > If BOC is a fishbowl, then Hawkwind is a flooded basement. God, I love that line. Karl, may I have your permission to use it as a signature line from time to time? Steve swann at panix.com From stayer at PI.NET Fri Aug 2 00:49:56 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 21:49:56 PDT Subject: BOCbase count Message-ID: I made a small program that scanned BOCbase for song titles. This list contains the results. There's about 50 set lists on BOCbase. I haven't tested the prog very well, so there could be a couple of mistakes here, but I guess this list gives a fair view. Godzilla 38 Cities On Flame 37 E.T.I. 37 (Don't Fear) The Reaper 37 Burnin' For You 29 Dominance And Submission 27 Buck's Boogie 22 The Red And The Black 21 ME-262 21 Joan Crawford 20 Take Me Away 20 Dr. Music 19 Stairway To The Stars 17 Flaming Telepaths 17 Born To Be Wild 15 Astronomy 15 Hot Rails To Hell 15 Before The Kiss, A Redcap 14 Then Came The Last Days Of May 13 O.D.'d On Life Itself 12 R.U. Ready 2 Rock 12 Lips In The Hills 11 5 Guitars 10 (This Ain't) The Summer Of Love 10 Harvest Moon 10 Roadhouse Blues 9 Bouchard Drum Solo 8 Harvester Of Eyes 8 Bouchard Bass Solo 8 Golden Age Of Leather 8 I'd Like To See You In Black 8 In Thee 7 Unknown Tongue 5 Veteran Of The Psychic Wars 5 I Am The One You Warned Me Of 5 In The Presence Of Another World 5 Workshop Of The Telescopes 4 Maserati GT (I Ain't Got You) 4 The Vigil 4 The Marshall Plan 4 Divine Wind 4 Dancin' In The Ruins 4 Shadow Warrior 4 Still Burning 4 The Came The Last Days Of May 4 It's Not Easy 3 Mirrors 3 The Great Sun Jester 3 Black Blade 3 Born To Rock 3 Let Go 3 White Flags 3 Teen Archer 3 Transmaniacon MC 2 Screams 2 Seven Screaming Diz-Busters 2 Career Of Evil 2 Kick Out The Jams 2 Downey Drum Solo 2 Rock Not War 2 Wings Of Mercury 2 Riddle Drum Solo 2 Drum Solo 2 :-) I should check this! Burgi Drum Solo 2 Wings Wetted Down 1 Misstress Of The Salmon Salt (Quicklime 1 Morning Final 1 We Gotta Get Out Of This Place 1 The Golden Age Of Leather 1 Hungry Boys 1 Arthur Comics 1 Heavy Metal (Black And Silver) 1 Feel The Thunder 1 Shooting Shark 1 Doors Medley 1 Beat 'Em Up 1 Zvoncheck Piano Solo 1 Just an extended Joan intro Wilcox Drum Solo 1 Harverster Of Eyes 1 The Horsemen Arrive 1 Demon's Kiss 1 I Love The Night 1 Rogers Bass Solo 1 Slow Down 1 The list could then be filled with too many zeros... Why don't BOC just pick four different titles of those zeros every ten gigs, eh? Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu Aug 1 21:54:44 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:54:44 PDT Subject: BOC: Covers and The Big 3 Message-ID: >> From: "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" >> > I personally find myself headed to the bar...gettin' me a cold one and scopin >> > out the babes...preferrably the ones that have more than 3 teeth... >> > >> Robo, >> Might be a long and fruitless search at a BOC gig. Any women at all >> are rare, and those with acceptable dentition/fewer than 4 tattoos, >> etc... >Ahem... >brenda 'Rare', not 'extinct'! :-) Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu Aug 1 21:30:37 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:30:37 PDT Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: >I've got a tape where they open the show with BID. Interesting version. > They kinda get lost when they're ending the song, then it suddenly comes >together and ends. The show's only 60 min. >I sent a dub to Bolle. He was DROOLING when he found out I had it. He's >been looking for a dub of a show with BID for YEARS!! Apparently, they only >did it a few times and dropped because of difficulties with the ending. ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Waaaah!!!!! >If anyone's interested in a dub, send me your tradelist. I will I will I will! What's the date of the show? >As far as the big 3 go, I'd love to see all of them replaced with other >songs. Alas, I fear it won't happen. The fans at the shows expect to hear >those 3... 'The fans at the shows'? Most of them are on BOC-L I guess, and no one has claimed he liked those three better than any other song. I saw Page and Plant in 1993, and I was almost glad they didn't play Stairway. Jerry From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Aug 1 17:13:34 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 16:13:34 EST Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: > > >As far as the big 3 go, I'd love to see all of them replaced with other > >songs. Alas, I fear it won't happen. The fans at the shows expect to hear > >those 3... > > 'The fans at the shows'? Most of them are on BOC-L I guess, and no one has > claimed he liked those three better than any other song. I saw Page and Plant > in 1993, and I was almost glad they didn't play Stairway. > > Jerry Almost? From ROBOdewd at AOL.COM Thu Aug 1 16:22:17 1996 From: ROBOdewd at AOL.COM (ROBOdewd at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 16:22:17 -0400 Subject: BOC: Covers and The Big 3 Message-ID: In a message dated 96-07-31 17:46:03 EDT, you write: << Hey, robo, you ever figure out how to play that one? theo >> yup... lemme know if ya want the tab posted to the group...if Digger Dan is still subscribed, he can put his 2 cents in as well From ROBOdewd at AOL.COM Thu Aug 1 17:15:27 1996 From: ROBOdewd at AOL.COM (ROBOdewd at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 17:15:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: Covers & Godzilla's Penis Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-01 10:09:27 EDT, you write: << > Robo, > Might be a long and fruitless search at a BOC gig. Any women at all > are rare, and those with acceptable dentition/fewer than 4 tattoos, > etc... Ahem... brenda --- Brenda Holloway * Sony New Business Development brendah at mbay.net * http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ >> just curious if the above means that you work for THE Sony Entertainment Co...in that case I have an idea for a new Sony line of adult toys geared at adults and juvenile delinquents...Sony could incorporate the music side of their biz into the new line when they introduce the Godzilla Life-Size Vibrator that plays BOC's Zilla riff throughout the vibrating process... just how big is "life-size" anywho? ROBO From ROBOdewd at AOL.COM Thu Aug 1 17:12:05 1996 From: ROBOdewd at AOL.COM (ROBOdewd at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 17:12:05 -0400 Subject: how do you exclude HW posts? Message-ID: what is the command so I can only retrieve BOC and Other topics? From ROBOdewd at AOL.COM Thu Aug 1 17:15:41 1996 From: ROBOdewd at AOL.COM (ROBOdewd at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 17:15:41 -0400 Subject: *sigh* tape trading Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-01 12:56:56 EDT, you write: << I'd love to have some BOC/HW concert tapes, but since I don't have anything to offer in trade, I'm pretty well screwed. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get a foot in the door, so to speak? Thanks, Karl >> I always thought it was fair to trade 2 blanks for a live tape... From ROBOdewd at AOL.COM Thu Aug 1 17:12:37 1996 From: ROBOdewd at AOL.COM (ROBOdewd at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 17:12:37 -0400 Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-01 11:00:48 EDT, you write: << I don't believe it is, but it should be -- Patti Smith, right? John >> I dunno...just figured it was some dame at the venue at the time.....I always thought the intro was pretty kewl........ ROBO From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Thu Aug 1 18:09:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 17:09:00 -0500 Subject: Huw Lloyd Langton Message-ID: The last I had heard was he was playing as a three piece. I know he did some shows in England playing acoustic blues earlier this year, I thought. Didn't Maxine see him?? As for Dr. Brown, he was in the band for a short while and does sing on one of the tracks on the Dreamscape Ep. Dr. Brown is alive and well as I recently got some e-mail from kev. There web page is: http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/9004/ Scott ObCs- Motorhead- overkill (a classic!) From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Aug 1 17:29:36 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 17:29:36 -0400 Subject: HW: The Brain (Cleopatra) Message-ID: The Brain will be at The Knitting Factory in NYC on 8/4 at 9:30. They are openning for Cluster. The usual suspects will be there. Who else is going from the list? regards, Bill Stewart From lansford at VNET.NET Thu Aug 1 17:43:44 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 21:43:44 GMT Subject: BOC & Olympics In-Reply-To: <9607312251.AA09619@crux.astr.ua.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Bryan Irby wrote: >I still can't explain how Jesse Helms has >managed to stay in office for so damn long without admitting there's >obviously some large, unpleasant portion of the NC population who want >him there. Because he hasn't had any real opposition the last couple of elections. A lot of people refused to vote at all the last time (Helms vs Hunt). -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Political campaigns have about them the same excitement as a prizefight. Campaigns, however, are not nearly as orderly as professional boxing matches. - Ansolabehere and Iyengar -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From lansford at VNET.NET Thu Aug 1 17:49:10 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 21:49:10 GMT Subject: BOC & Olympics In-Reply-To: <960730192815_588608707@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Andy Gilham wrote: >She was the only other person there who knew what "shag" meant in English :) Apropos for this thread to end up on the topic of Cousin Jesse. BTW, in this area, "shag" is a dance. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Political campaigns have about them the same excitement as a prizefight. Campaigns, however, are not nearly as orderly as professional boxing matches. - Ansolabehere and Iyengar -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu Aug 1 18:20:46 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:20:46 -0400 Subject: cut the crap Message-ID: Troy states; > One day you guys are gonna get the hint. All this complaining about >the BOC setlist drives those of us who are sorry enough to live in >countries where BOC have never and will never tour absolutely nuts. We >have had the same bloody setlist ever since ETL. To us Eric Bloom is a >God who lives in another universe. Buck may not even exist. Allen may >be a computer generated hologram. It could all be a media trick, run by >the Illuminati, or the Gnomes of Zurich. > > Please BOC, come to Australia! We have good beer! Honest! We need to >hear another setlist besides OYFOOYK, SEE, ETL etc. > Your not kidding about the beer. Long ago (76) I had the good fortune of visiting Sydney while in the US Navy. We were invited out by a kind gent who put us up in his house for the weekend (there were 3 of us ) and he and his family showed us a great time. We absolutely could not spend any of our own money if we tried. He took us to a RSL club in Ingleburn(?) and drank Toohey's on tap. Much better than Fosters I think. The local champagne was quite excellent also. After 3 bottles, I was told I was carried back onboard the ship. Still no memory of this incident, so it must be true ;-) Duane From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Aug 1 19:18:43 1996 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:18:43 EST Subject: Huw Lloyd Langton Message-ID: >As for Dr. Brown, he was in the band >for a short while and does sing on one of the tracks on the Dreamscape >Ep. I have the EP. Three songs, with the primary tune ("Unrelenting Sky") featuring some true vintage HLL soloing, *CONTINUOUSLY*, throughout the entire song. This is the same sound he used in HW. >Dr. Brown is alive and well as I recently got some e-mail from kev. I thought I'd heard Dr.Brown had broken up? Seems to me that Delerium was saying that in their latest catalog... >Scott Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com ( <--slightly different addr ) From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Aug 1 20:16:12 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 20:16:12 -0400 Subject: HW: The Brain (Cleopatra) In-Reply-To: <960801172930_250757849@emout15.mail.aol.com> from "Bill Stewart" at Aug 1, 96 05:29:36 pm Message-ID: Bill queries.... > > The Brain will be at The Knitting Factory in NYC on 8/4 at 9:30. They are > openning for Cluster. The usual suspects will be there. Who else is going > from the list? Well, I won't be....I just got back late last night from my quick jaunt to Pittsburgh for this gig. Here's my review for those primed and ready in the east... Cluster/The Brain (w/ Bond Bergland)/Phrase (local Pgh) @ Synod Hall - Oakland (Pittsburgh), PA 7/31/96 Phrase (8:25 - 9:05) This was a three-piece ambient (what else?) outfit, that looked for all the world like a couple of ham radio operators. They had various synths/audio generator-types layed out on a large folding table, which they duly twiddled and fiddled with. They did 6-7 minute coherent electronic works, some with flute accompaniment. One or two had an underlying sequenced bass rhythm, verging on the danceable, but this performance was mostly experimental in nature. Appropriate start for what was to follow. Bond Bergland (9:20-9:45) Bond plays solo guitar with many more effects pedals than he has feet, plus an accompanying synth/sequencer as his 'backing band'. I very much enjoyed his soloing style, and kept thinking that this would have been what I would have seen had I gone to the one-off Steve Hillage solo performance in NYC a year or so ago. The highlight of his performance (the entire gig IMHO) was the 10-min. piece he did to close out his solo performance - it started out by entering in a simple 4-bar motif on guitar into his 'playback' unit, and then subsequently adding in other complementing bits on top. At first, it came out sounding like a 'round' (you know, Row, row, row, your boat), but then after 10 or so additional voices, it took on a 'wall of sound' characteristic. Once all this groundwork was laid, Bergland then powered up some of his other pedals/effects, and went to work soloing atop all this. Fun stuff. The Brain with Bond Bergland (9:45 - 10:10) With Bergland still on stage, the two members of The Brain strolled out and powered up their gear. They play a more intense, unsettling style of 'ambient' that was a nice change of pace from what went before and after. I would have liked them to play much longer than the 25 minutes (perhaps half and hour) they did. At times, the music swelled to a pretty significant volume, such that Bergland soloing was nearly drowned out. Their performance was non-stop, so it was uncertain whether it was supposed to be a single extended piece, but there were 3 or 4 different 'phases' to it anyway. Cluster (10:25 - 11:20) Dieter and Hans-Joachim strolled out in a very similar non-chalant (let's start playing before the audience notices) manner as everyone else. Each had a rig of several keyboards, and they began the seemingly improv hour-long work with what appeared to be a semi-organized testing of buttons/keys/knobs....sort of like, "Hmmmm.....wonder what this one does?" Not surprisingly, the performance was not too much unlike the recent 'One hour' disc. It became a bit 'minimalist' at times for my taste, and the slight buzz of the PA would be a minor annoyance. But it was interesting seeing these senior citizens of the space world up there seeming to communicate with each other telepathically, since they rarely ever looked up from their respective gear. I just hope they don't decide to wait another 25 years before venturing this way again, or they'll have to be wheeled out on stage.... :) The venue was for all practical purposes, a church...or at least a chapel - it was not like the Limelight (which *was* a church)...this still is. The lower part of the 'auditorium' (as they call it) had modern-style rows of seats, but the balcony still had much older wooden chairs. Beautiful stained glass windows lined the upper levels, and still built into the rear of the stage were the organ pipes. An unusual site for any concert, I suppose, but it was real nice. The attendance was a bit short of 100 I'd guess, but I think people enjoyed their time. The turnover between artists was maybe even a bit too short, as people were out and about looking at the table of goodies in the 'lobby'. CD's & tapes of each artist were available, as well as some other related bands (e.g., Pressurehed/Nik Turner, and other Rodelius/Moebius projects). The new Cleopatra 3CD Space Box item was being sold, as well as the Space Daze book (which I picked up). Two different Cluster tour shirts were being sold @ $20 apiece. I didn't stick around, but I've heard that the musicians have been accomodating as far as autographs/chatting is concerned. All and all, a fun time. I was also able to spend 45 minutes or so at a nearby used CD store called 'Dave's' I think (it seemed to be very recently 'Jerry's'). I went by that location as years ago (at least 12 or 13), I used to frequent a place called 'Garbage Records' in the exact same spot, where I'm sure that I bought some of my old second-hand Hawkwind albums. I wondered if it would still be there (at least in some form), and to my surprise, it still is a record (well, make that CD now) store. And it's still cool! I walked into the store hearing Pendragon (I didn't see if it had a Hawkwind label), and found 7 discs for a mere $37! Here's my pickings.... Hawkwind - Tales from Atomhenge (UK) Porcupine Tree - The Sky Moves Sideways (US edition, complements my UK one) Nick Riff - Freak Element (Delerium, UK) Saxon - Dogs of War (UK) (OK, I like some things other than Space Rock) Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts (UK) Harvey Bainbridge - Interstellar Chaos (UK) (I already have this, but it was too cheap to pass up...who wants it??? It'll come cheap) Levitation - Coterie (US) (same deal on this one....I like this alot...reminds me of SunDial's Reflector, or vice versa) What a great shopping day! Keith H. (FAA) From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Thu Aug 1 21:08:07 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 21:08:07 -0400 Subject: HW: The Brain (Cleopatra) Message-ID: > So, has anybody purchased or had a chance to listen to The Brain's CD, > "Access and Amplify"? The back says "midi-free analog synthesis", and it runs over 75 minutes. Take the sound and the hardware from Phaedra/Rybycon-era TangerineDream and combine them with more of a harder repetitive pulsating attitude. I really like it. (For those coming in late, The Brain is Paul Fox and Tommy Grenas, 2/3 of Pressurehed and tangentially related to boc-l due to their work with Nik Turner's various projects. _Access and Amplify_ is Hypnotic clp 9767-2.) From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Aug 1 17:07:13 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 21:07:13 +0000 Subject: Kings of Speed/Hawkwind Zoo?? Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > Mighty Hawkwind Classics isn't THAT hard to find, and it has lots of > other great stuff on it as well (I love the version of Motorhead on > there, and there's a great alternate take on Song of the Swords as > well). And its also probably the easiest way to get Valium 10. > > Steve actually i got this on cd no too long ago.it came to my friends shop by mistake. he has no touble special ordering it,so others shouldn't either. rj From ddean at DCEZ.COM Thu Aug 1 22:32:34 1996 From: ddean at DCEZ.COM (Dan Dean) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 22:32:34 -0400 Subject: BOC & Olympics Message-ID: At 04:13 PM 7/31/96 -0600, you wrote: >On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Dan Dean wrote: > >> Was watching kayaking last weekend during the Olympics and overheard >> >Greg Gumble mention that they were (the boating events) taking place at >> >"beautiful Lake Lanier, just outside of Atlanta". >> > >> > Went back to the Goldmine article and realized that Allen Lanier is in- >> >fact related to the person that the lake was named after. >> > >> > Allen is from Georgia, which I did not know until I read the Goldmine >> >article earlier this summer. >> > >> > Just thought you might want to know. >> > >> >God bless... >> > >> >Manuel & >> > >> >Jean Delacour >> >University of New Mexico >> > >> >> While watching some of the Olympic swimming action, I had the headphones on >> listening to, what else, "Perfect Water." It seemed to fit the moment >> 'perfectly!' >> >> Dan Dean >> Silver Spring, Maryland, USA >> > >Sounds perfect to me as well. > >Will you be attending the Merriweather Pavillion show? > >Manuel & > > >Jean Delacour >University of New Mexico >Parish Library >Alb, NM 87131-1496 >delacour at unm.edu > Show at Merriweather? I hadn't heard anything about BOC there. What have you heard? From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Aug 2 01:45:56 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 00:45:56 -0500 Subject: HW: Do That (Take Smack?) Message-ID: Was listening to Biz Trip on the 'phones and it seemed to me that between chants of "Do That!", Brock says once "Take Smack". So I went and shot up and it's Dave's fault... :) Chuck From stayer at PI.NET Fri Aug 2 01:03:46 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 22:03:46 PDT Subject: *sigh* tape trading Message-ID: Karl, >I understand that part of the reason >for this is to avoid getting in trouble for selling tapes (although I'm >not sure that trading is any more legal...) I wouldn't feel good to me if I'd sell tapes. I haven't done anything to produce the tapes, I just attend a concert and tape it, or trade it. No effort whatsoever. Why should I make money on it? To me there /is/ a difference between trading and selling: making money out of someone's efforts while doing nothing in return or not. I trade tapes, I don't sell nor buy. >However, it seems that the >only way to get tapes is to already have them. Anyone trading tapes had to start somewhere! :-) >I'd love to have some BOC/HW concert tapes, but since I don't have >anything to offer in trade, I'm pretty well screwed. Does anyone have >any suggestions on how to get a foot in the door, so to speak? Suggestions: Find someone friendly enough to give you some tapes for nothing. Or, find someone friendly enough to trade live tapes for blank tapes. Both cases apply to my starting with tape trading. I won't offer to trade any tapes for blanks here on boc-l, or I can imagine me copying tapes for boc-l the next six months. I don't have the time, so I quit tape trading almost completely. But it is a way to start. Good luck, Jerry From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Aug 2 04:47:54 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:47:54 +0100 Subject: HW: (Cleopatra) drifting OFF In-Reply-To: <199608020016.UAA02480@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In message <199608020016.UAA02480 at bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, Keith A Henderson writes > >Here's my pickings.... > >Hawkwind - Tales from Atomhenge (UK) >Porcupine Tree - The Sky Moves Sideways (US edition, complements my UK one) >Nick Riff - Freak Element (Delerium, UK) >Saxon - Dogs of War (UK) (OK, I like some things other than Space Rock) >Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts (UK) >Harvey Bainbridge - Interstellar Chaos (UK) (I already have this, but it was > too cheap to pass up...who wants it??? It'll come cheap) >Levitation - Coterie (US) (same deal on this one....I like this alot...reminds > me of SunDial's Reflector, or vice versa) > >What a great shopping day! > >Keith H. (FAA) $37 !! You did brilliantly!! BTW After my (long since defunct) band split up, Bob the Bass switched to keyboards and Chris AKA Bic the guitarist roped in Terry Bickers, and became Levitation! BTW Where do you think the name came from?!?! (say it three times loud!) I still think our band was miles better than the Levvy's :) Incidentally, Levitation have broken up. Bob's now doing jingles for Bird's Eye and Bic's in MICE with Juliette Regan from ALL ABOUT EVE. I haven't heard them but I gather they are not a goth band :) -- Jon Browne From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Fri Aug 2 06:19:37 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:19:37 +0100 Subject: OFF Huw Lloyd Langton In-Reply-To: <199608020904.KAA08385@listserv.rl.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > From: "Scott Heller (617) 724-7762" > > The last I had heard was he was playing as a three piece. I know he > did some shows in England playing acoustic blues earlier this year, I thought. Didn't Maxine see him?? As for Dr. Brown, he was in the band > for a short while and does sing on one of the tracks on the Dreamscape > Ep. Dr. Brown is alive and well as I recently got some e-mail from > kev. There web page is: Yep it's true! He was bloody good, he didn't seem to play much new material but played alot of stuff from his solo albums very well - lots of groovy riffs and he intermingled his work with some Hawkwind classics (Moonglum, Magnu? The memory fades, old age!) As for Dr Brown I also heard rumours of a split and believe (although don't quote me on this) that a local Leicester Band, Heliotrope, have poached a former member... think he does vocals..I'll check this out when I catch up with the bassist at the local pub :) Maxine OBFunction this weekend: Derby Rock'n'Blues (featuring Sweet and the Glitter Band!) From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Fri Aug 2 06:50:08 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:50:08 +0100 Subject: BOC: Re: BD the sofa spud? In-Reply-To: <33689A23D0E@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Ted Jackson jr. EL 84 wrote: > But how to deal with 'Imaginos' live? If performed in its entirety, > they'd have to forsake all the favorites [sound familiar]. But then, > at the height of their popularity, maybe the fans would've accepted > it, like the Who's fans taking to a whole night of Tommy? Even at the height of Tommy mania in 1969, when I saw the Who they were doing basically the 'Live in Leeds' set but with an extended 'Tommy' section in the middle. I doubt that they did many shows without 'Young Man Blues' 'Can't Explain' and 'Summertime Blues' even when Tommy was a hit. I think BOC would have kept some familiar stuff in for encores even if they had developed a full Imaginos show. - Mike Godwin From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 2 12:16:01 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:16:01 BST Subject: *sigh* tape trading In-Reply-To: Karl Hiller's message of Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:55:22 -0500 Message-ID: Karl Hiller writes: > Somebody wrote: > > > If anyone's interested in a dub, send me your tradelist. > > I just wanted to confirm an impression that I've gotten. Namely, that > there is a sort of Catch-22 situation surrounding tape trading. > > A while back on Usenet, I was looking for tapes of Pixies concerts, and > every single person who I corresponded with was only interested in > trading for other concert tapes. I understand that part of the reason > for this is to avoid getting in trouble for selling tapes (although I'm > not sure that trading is any more legal...) However, it seems that the > only way to get tapes is to already have them. > > I'd love to have some BOC/HW concert tapes, but since I don't have > anything to offer in trade, I'm pretty well screwed. Does anyone have > any suggestions on how to get a foot in the door, so to speak? The usual way for fans to get around that one is to trade two blanks for one concert tape with a fan who's amenable. It's technically not selling and since tape traders need tapes, it benefits both parties. > Karl Hope this helps. FoFP From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Fri Aug 2 12:38:36 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:38:36 +-100 Subject: OFF Huw Lloyd Langton Message-ID: So where was the venue and how were the gigs promoted/announced? Since moving house a few years ago I no longer get anything through the grapevine and only get to hear of things "after the event" You're saying he was bloody good, was that in reference to the acoustic blues, Dr Brown or Dreamscape EP? Only time I ever saw HLL without Hawkwind was at the Royal Standard about 6-7 years ago. Then he was "bloody good" too. Mike P Yep it's true! He was bloody good, he didn't seem to play much new material but played alot of stuff from his solo albums very well - lots of groovy riffs and he intermingled his work with some Hawkwind classics (Moonglum, Magnu? The memory fades, old age!) As for Dr Brown I also heard rumours of a split and believe (although don't quote me on this) that a local Leicester Band, Heliotrope, have poached a former member... think he does vocals..I'll check this out when I catch up with the bassist at the local pub :) Maxine OBFunction this weekend: Derby Rock'n'Blues (featuring Sweet and the Glitter Band!) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At 08:20 AM 1/8/96 -0400, you wrote: >>Anyone else know of / see any versions? > >I can't remember when exactly, but in my mind the official death of this >song occurred when it was used in an ad for some kind of family van >or station wagon (I keep thinking it was an Isuzu, but could be wrong) >that featured a typical "commercial" family singing this song as they >boarded this completely conservtive family vehicle... >+-------------------------------------------------------+ >Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "One new slave, the same old rock." - Roy Harper From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Aug 2 10:04:52 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:04:52 EST Subject: BOC: Covers and The Big 3 Message-ID: > > In a message dated 96-07-31 17:46:03 EDT, you write: > > << Hey, robo, you ever figure out how to play that one? > theo >> > yup... > > lemme know if ya want the tab posted to the group...if Digger Dan is still > subscribed, he can put his 2 cents in as well Robo, Please do! BTW, you ever hear from Torgo anymore? There's a concert this weekend I think he might be going to, and I'd like to run into him if possible... theo From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Fri Aug 2 10:14:35 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:14:35 -0400 Subject: HW: Douglas IN The Jungle Message-ID: OK boys & girls, I was listening to Douglas IN The Jungle this morning (well not on purpose I was listening to Wierd tape whichever), something I hadnt done in quite a while. Now I'd always assumed this was the result of an experiment in trying to record while under the influence, its just that bad (and from the track poll I think others agreed). Listening I was thinking: 1) They actually put some effort into this because there is quite a lot of layered sound effects 2) Theres stuff being said thats on the limit of being able to make it out (I got something about a "preparing a feasability study)" 3) On finishing the tape & looking at the case, I was reminded that this is subtitled (Ode to a Manager !), which of course reminded me of recent discussions about Doug Smith, who obviously the song is addressed to. So the question is really, does anyone actually understand what the song is trying to say ? I mean if they've dedicated it to Doug it must have some significance. Remind me, was Doug on the way out or just on the way back in at this point ??? (I'm thinking its 79-80 ?) ObRidiculousLyric: "They're on their knees, those chimpanzees !" Cheers, Steve L. From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Aug 2 10:50:20 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:50:20 -0400 Subject: Unknown Deutschland Message-ID: Just picked up this compilation, by some Cologne bands in the 72-74 timeframe. Very obscure - I thought I knew a bit about this scene, but I hadn't heard of any of them! Golem, Temple, Astral Army, Galactic Explorers, etc... Anyway, definitely proper kosmische Musik - some nice long improv pieces, bit of ur-punk, all that's best from Krautrock, really. And at only nine ninety-nine, I know there's some heads on boc-l that ought to check it out! :) - Andy From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Aug 2 10:57:56 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:57:56 +0200 Subject: HW Weird tapes Message-ID: Where can I get these? Christian From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Aug 2 11:04:34 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:04:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Love in Space, Chaos, Space Ritual 1994 Live Message-ID: I am finally getting around to reviewing my latest Hawkwind additions. I recently acquired the Love in Space CD, the Chaos video, and Nik Turner's Space Ritual 1994 Live video. Overall, I am quite pleased with the lot. Love in Space is actually better than I was expecting. The fold-out packaging, while aesthetically pleasing, make it (*&(@# difficult to get the CDs out without ripping the cover or getting fingerprints on the CD. This is a minor fault, though. I wasn't originally expecting too much from the CD because of the more laid-back, ambient-leaning, synth-noodling attitude that the band seems to have taken recently in concert. Much to my pleasant surprise, however, LiS seems to have a undercurrent of high energy permeating the whole performance. I found the music to be compelling from start to finish. Even the slower bits don't seem to distract from the overall flow. I recommend this CD, but don't expect another Live Chronicles because it's just not quite up to that standard (for those of you keeping score at home, I like LC better than Space Ritual). The Chaos video was recorded at Guild Hall, Preston, on December 3, 1986. I have mixed feelings about this video. On the plus side, the five-piece version of Hawkwind has an incredibly full sound. The songs are great, and focus on the fire breathers is kept to a minimum. On the negative side, the sound quality is not up to par. I'm not sure it is even in stereo, but if it is, the separation is horrible. The sound has a clipped feeling, as though it were recorded on cheap equipment. Also, the full concert is not recorded. There are several cuts in the tape which seem unnecessary. If they whole concert was filmed (and I don't know that it was), then there is no reason not to put it out on a longer tape. Finally, the dancer that they did have there are laughably bad. If you think the occasional dancer in a tutu is not the height of beaux arts, then be prepared for the guy on stage whose whole concept of "dancing" is to make clawing motions with his arms. If you can get by these annoyances, then the video is quite nice as a record of that era. I would still recommend it, but then I tend to the more completist category anyway. Turner's SR '94 video is quite good. The sound quality is excellent, the camera work is good, the picture is clear, and the only lunatic dancing on stage is Nik. :-) The band is tight and the overall sound reminds me of the older, fuller, Hawkwind sound. My only complaints about this video are the spoken part by Genesis P-Orridge (completely pointless) and the over-reliance on cheap video special effects (distracting). For those not entrenched in the anti-Nik camp, this video is a nice rendering of their tour. As always, YMMV. Frank ObCD: Primus - Frizzle Fry -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat from the CPU. They can tell which jobs are running from the rate of popping. From stayer at PI.NET Fri Aug 2 10:36:39 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:36:39 PDT Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: >> >As far as the big 3 go, I'd love to see all of them replaced with other >> >songs. Alas, I fear it won't happen. The fans at the shows expect to >> >those 3... >> 'The fans at the shows'? Most of them are on BOC-L I guess, and no one has >> claimed he liked those three better than any other song. I saw Page and >> Plant in 1993, and I was almost glad they didn't play Stairway. >> Jerry >Almost? >Theo Well, alright. I was very pleased they didn't do it. They ended with Kashmir - 15 mins orgamisc power. Love it. I hate Stairway btw - I probably have heard it too many times! (So /that's/ it!) Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Fri Aug 2 10:38:20 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:38:20 PDT Subject: Huw Lloyd Langton Message-ID: >Subject: Huw Lloyd Langton > The last I had heard was he was playing as a three piece. Huw himself was playing as a three-piece? Great! Makes you wonder what a couple of years with HW is doing to your phisique! :-) Jerry From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 2 16:38:02 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:38:02 BST Subject: HW: Douglas IN The Jungle In-Reply-To: Stephen Lindsey's message of Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:14:35 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Lindsey writes: > OK boys & girls, > > I was listening to Douglas IN The Jungle this morning (well not on purpose > > So the question is really, does anyone actually understand what the song > is trying to say ? I mean if they've dedicated it to Doug it must > have some significance. I assumed it was aimed at the music industry and the jungle of animals and nonsense that good old Doug had to deal with. > Steve L. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 2 16:39:45 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:39:45 BST Subject: HW Weird tapes In-Reply-To: Christian Mumford's message of Fri, 2 Aug 1996 16:57:56 +0200 Message-ID: Christian Mumford writes: > Where can I get these? Wolden Studios I believe. Does anyone have the address? > Christian FoFP From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Fri Aug 2 08:40:00 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:40:00 -0400 Subject: HW: Ozric Question Message-ID: Hi Folks, About a year ago I made it across the pond and to a great little record shop in Bath where I picked up Ozric's Muck Kicker album (also HW's the Golden Void boot in some sort of Stonehenge 82 record sleeve but that's another question for another time). The album's made its way back to my turn table and I'm enjoying it quite a bit but I was wondering if this was a legit album (I never see it in any catalogs) and if anyone knew when it was recorded. The liner notes have a (c) date 0f 92. Many thanks Chris From gumby at PRIMENET.COM Fri Aug 2 11:46:33 1996 From: gumby at PRIMENET.COM (Thomas Nelson) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 08:46:33 -0700 Subject: OFF:BornTBW cover Message-ID: I know of another version of Born To Be Wild: Zodiac Mindwarp and the Love Reaction (a rather good version, I might add) Thomas Nelson*****The Gumby Man*****gumby at telis.com I'm screaming in the wind, screaming in the rain Screaming in the face of the storm Howling out in the roaring surf... Crying out in fury to the gods of fate Come on, get me if you can. New Model Army From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Aug 2 12:40:47 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:40:47 EST Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: > >> claimed he liked those three better than any other song. I saw Page and > >> Plant in 1993, and I was almost glad they didn't play Stairway. > >> Jerry > > >Almost? > >Theo > > Well, alright. I was very pleased they didn't do it. They ended with Kashmir > - 15 mins orgamisc power. Love it. I hate Stairway btw - I probably have > heard it too many times! (So /that's/ it!) > > Jerry Consider yourself lucky to live in Europe for, among other obvious reasons, your insulation from 'Classic Rock' radio stations, or you'd hate it a lot more, along with 'Freebird' and a whole bunch of other songs that started out great but wound up being destroyed by overplaying. Hmm...sounds like a BOC-L thread? theo From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Aug 2 11:47:53 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:47:53 -0500 Subject: HW Weird tapes In-Reply-To: M Holmes "Re: HW Weird tapes" (Aug 2, 4:39pm) Message-ID: > > Where can I get these? > > Wolden Studios I believe. Does anyone have the address? The address I have is: Wolden Studios Mid Lodge Landcross Near Bideford EX39 5JB Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 There are two ways to write bug-free code; only the third way works. From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Aug 2 12:04:07 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 17:04:07 +0100 Subject: radio Re: BOC: Short Sets In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 02 Aug 1996 11:40:47 EST." <34BD23E419D@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: > Consider yourself lucky to live in Europe for, among other obvious > reasons, your insulation from 'Classic Rock' radio stations, or you'd > hate it a lot more, along with 'Freebird' and a whole bunch of other > songs that started out great but wound up being destroyed by > overplaying. Well....ish. I mean having the choice of being able to listen to Classic Rock *at all* would be nice over here. Instead whats overplayed is Mark Morrison, Gina G, Fugees and the like - a bargain :-) (Of course there are exceptions - John Peel, Mark Radcliffe etc, but their total airtime/week isn't huge) cheers, Tim From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Fri Aug 2 17:21:53 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 17:21:53 +-100 Subject: radio Re: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: Freebird lasts what; five maybe seven minutes. Chris Evans lasts two and a half hours. Need I say more? Mike P > Consider yourself lucky to live in Europe for, among other obvious > reasons, your insulation from 'Classic Rock' radio stations, or you'd > hate it a lot more, along with 'Freebird' and a whole bunch of other > songs that started out great but wound up being destroyed by > overplaying. Well....ish. I mean having the choice of being able to listen to Classic Rock *at all* would be nice over here. Instead whats overplayed is Mark Morrison, Gina G, Fugees and the like - a bargain :-) (Of course there are exceptions - John Peel, Mark Radcliffe etc, but their total airtime/week isn't huge) cheers, Tim -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1741 bytes Desc: not available URL: From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 2 12:32:23 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:32:23 -0400 Subject: BOC: Carol Dodds Message-ID: Carol Dodds with an S was the lighting director until she got tired of the local spot operators who wouldn't follow her directions. During her tenure, she also did the band's nightly introduction, which for some reason was tacked on to the live version of BtBW. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Aug 2 12:56:20 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:56:20 -0400 Subject: BOC: Purple Oyster Cult Message-ID: I asked Bolle about BOC doing "Highway Star" -- he says he's never heard of them doing that song. John From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Aug 2 14:07:46 1996 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:07:46 EST Subject: HW: Ozric Question Message-ID: My understanding about the Ozrics "Muck Kicker" LP is that this is the most common true Ozrics bootleg to be found. This LP is apparently taken (so I've heard) from the official Ozrics video "Live at the Fridge" (available in NTSC format also). As is the case with so many HW titles (including the "Golden Void" and "Stonehenge 82" boots you mentioned), the band gets no money whatsoever from the bootleg, as the bootleg is actually only a pirate copy of an official release. At least that explains the excellent quality the LP probably has... For anyone interested in acquiring more rare Ozrics live tapes *with the permission of the band*, try contacting Jim Collins of 'Tentacles of Erpland' fame (the US-based Ozrics fanzine). He publishes quarterly, and each issue includes an invitation to participate in an (approved) tape tree. You essentially get a copy of a good quality live Ozrics tape for the price of a blank and postage both ways. E-me for contact information, if interested. Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Aug 2 14:45:18 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:45:18 -0500 Subject: Kings of Speed/Hawkwind Zoo?? Message-ID: On 1-AUG-1996 21:10:47.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Stephen Swann wrote: >> Mighty Hawkwind Classics isn't THAT hard to find, and it has lots of >> other great stuff on it as well (I love the version of Motorhead on >> there, and there's a great alternate take on Song of the Swords as >> well). And its also probably the easiest way to get Valium 10. >> >> Steve Mine doesn't have "Song Of The Swords". This is '80-'85. Is there another release covering another era (though you'd think SotS would fit '80-'85)? Chuck `[1;33;45mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Aug 2 14:01:08 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 14:01:08 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawklords Live In-Reply-To: <199608020108.VAA13210@quip.eecs.umich.edu> from "Ken Alexander" at Aug 1, 96 09:08:07 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks.... I distinctly remember someone saying here that they were having a major difficulty tracking down a CD copy of 'Hawklords Live'. I was making my usual rounds here, and came across a used copy of said CD, so I went ahead and snatched it up. So, whoever it was who was looking for this, send me an email and we can work out a trade or something. If you've since found this on your own, please get back to me anyway so I know, and then I can offer it to anyone else on the list looking for this item. (Please be honest...I know you all will.) :) It's the Griffin one BTW, and seems to be in good condition...it's playing as I type. Keith H. (FAA) khenders at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu P.S. The Bainbridge CD has been claimed, although the Levitation (the band) CD is still available to the first taker. Probably will trade for a cassette of something interesting, or another cheapy CD. From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Aug 2 14:10:34 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 14:10:34 -0400 Subject: BOC: Short Sets In-Reply-To: <34BD23E419D@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" at Aug 2, 96 11:40:47 am Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL 84 writes: > > Consider yourself lucky to live in Europe for, among other obvious > reasons, your insulation from 'Classic Rock' radio stations, or you'd > hate it a lot more, along with 'Freebird' and a whole bunch of other > songs that started out great but wound up being destroyed by > overplaying. Hmm...sounds like a BOC-L thread? Argh! I used to really *like* "A Whiter Shade of Pale". Steve swann at panix.com From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Aug 2 14:20:33 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 14:20:33 -0400 Subject: Kings of Speed/Hawkwind Zoo?? In-Reply-To: <01I7SWBGZBVS8ZE21Z@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Aug 2, 96 01:45:18 pm Message-ID: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes: > > On 1-AUG-1996 21:10:47.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 > >Stephen Swann wrote: > >> Mighty Hawkwind Classics isn't THAT hard to find, and it has lots of > >> other great stuff on it as well (I love the version of Motorhead on > >> there, and there's a great alternate take on Song of the Swords as > >> well). And its also probably the easiest way to get Valium 10. > >> > >> Steve > > Mine doesn't have "Song Of The Swords". This is '80-'85. Is there another > release covering another era (though you'd think SotS would fit '80-'85)? Oops. I meant "Dragon and Fables" of course. I really have to stop posting these quickies from work - I'm too distracted to remember song/album names while watching my debugger utterly fail to cope with a trashed stack. :) My home computer will be back online soon, but until then I can only hit the net from here. Steve swann at panix.com From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Fri Aug 2 17:13:23 1996 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 14:13:23 -0700 Subject: BOC: Re: BD the sofa spud? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It would be easy to mix in a lot of their standards with the Imaginos stuff anyhow, because of the odd subject matter. They'd just have to arrange the material for more musicians. -Pete -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu Phone: (206) 547-6164 On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, M R Godwin wrote: > On Thu, 1 Aug 1996, Ted Jackson jr. EL 84 wrote: > > > But how to deal with 'Imaginos' live? If performed in its entirety, > > they'd have to forsake all the favorites [sound familiar]. But then, > > at the height of their popularity, maybe the fans would've accepted > > it, like the Who's fans taking to a whole night of Tommy? > > Even at the height of Tommy mania in 1969, when I saw the Who they were > doing basically the 'Live in Leeds' set but with an extended 'Tommy' > section in the middle. I doubt that they did many shows without 'Young Man > Blues' 'Can't Explain' and 'Summertime Blues' even when Tommy was a hit. I > think BOC would have kept some familiar stuff in for encores even if they > had developed a full Imaginos show. > > - Mike Godwin > From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Aug 2 19:12:05 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 19:12:05 -0400 Subject: OFF: VDGG Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-02 05:11:38 EDT, you write: >Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts (UK) Hey Keith a good one there you got:-) Just picked up Hammil's_ X my heart_ alot of sentimental stuff but a couple of real good ones. I found that even when PH is singing about something upbeat it can still make me wanna draw a hot bath and sharpen up the ole razor. Some of this stuff is so depressing it actually puts me in a good mood;-). regards, Bill "my fingers feel like seaweed" Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Aug 2 19:29:31 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 19:29:31 -0400 Subject: HW: Love in Space, Chaos, Space Ritual 1994 Live Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-02 11:07:59 EDT, you write: > I recommend this CD, but don't expect another >Live Chronicles because it's just not quite up to that standard (for >those of you keeping score at home, I like LC better than Space >Ritual). Oh Lord!! Say a few Hail Mary's, make a good Act of Contrition and change your pharmacist, you need a new perscription:-). Right this way doctor! regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Aug 2 19:39:28 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 19:39:28 -0400 Subject: HW: Love in Space, Chaos, Space Ritual 1994 Live Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-02 11:07:59 EDT, you write: >Finally, the dancer that they did have >there are laughably bad. DB said that these 'dancers' approached the band right before the gig and asked if they could do their routine . I don't think the band ever saw them before the night of the gig. The Chaos show was interesting in the fact that HW seemed to use alot of the same slides and projections that were used in the Space Ritual. The fire projections behind the band and the dancing dragon come to mind. And yes, I agree the dancers sucked. Not at all like the 2 dancers they had on their recent tour, who were superb. Hmmmmmmmmm...... the dancers. Bill 'no Bev in sight' Stewart From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Aug 2 21:01:35 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 03:01:35 +0200 Subject: HW: divided spiral galaxy Message-ID: hi, among other things I've recently received a Warrior on the Edge of Time in 8-Track Cartridge format. I've only seen this type of recorder once in my life, think it was 1975 or so. The 8-Track format was a completely non success in Sweden, and I don't know anything about the benefits of the Cartridge. Was there any? However it seems to have 4 sides, with this tracklist: 1 - total time 11:12 Assault & Battery Part I Golden Void Part II Spiral Galaxy 28948 (Part 1) 2 - total time 11:15 Spiral Galaxy 28948 (Part 2) Warriors Dying Seas Kings of Speed 3 - total time 11:03 The Wizard Blew His Horn Opa-Loka The Demented Man 4 - total time 11:02 Magnu Standing At The Edge this is an ATCO release with catalouge number ATC TP 36-115 0797 is anyone here old enough to someone explain the 4 sides? the name "eight track" indicates 2 stereo tracks x 4 sides, but how did you flip the sides, I mean flipping a compact cassette between both two sides feels intuitive, but this... has anyone heard the divided version of Spiral Galaxy? where did they make the cut? was it abrupt or smoothly running? just curious - \\joe yes - the plastic is pink! why chasing a blue Levitation when you can find a pink Warrior..! From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Fri Aug 2 20:21:24 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 20:21:24 -0400 Subject: HW: divided spiral galaxy In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960803030402.0b2fd3ae@eka.ericsson.se> from "Johan Edlundh" at Aug 3, 96 03:01:35 am Message-ID: Jonah says-- > among other things I've recently received a Warrior on the Edge of Time in > 8-Track Cartridge format. > > I've only seen this type of recorder once in my life, think it was 1975 or > so. The 8-Track format was a completely non success in Sweden, and I don't > know anything about the benefits of the Cartridge. Was there any? No. :-) Actually, I suppose the fact that you just pushed it into the player to listen to it, and that it would play over and over again ad infinitum were "advantages". > However it seems to have 4 sides, with this tracklist: > > is anyone here old enough to someone explain the 4 sides? Yeah, just let me pop the dentures in my mouth before I explain . . . :-) All eight tracks had "four sides", which occupied the same stretch of tape (i.e., four parallel stereo tracks). The player would automatically switch to the next track when it encountered the bit of aluminum tape which closed the tape loop. > has anyone heard the divided version of Spiral Galaxy? No, but divided tunes were common on eight tracks (they were divided by the aforementioned bit of aluminum tape). Typically, the song would fade out, the player would click to the next "lane" of tape, and the song would fade in to full volume. 'Twas most annoying . . . I had a tape of Boston's _Don't Look Back_ which had three divided tunes. :-P Eight tracks had added pluses . . . the tape was prone to stretching, tangling, and breaking. :-) Keep it for it's novelty value, or maybe FoFP would be willing to buy it from you (assuming he hasn't already got one :-) ). Guido obCDplayer--Touch Wood by Gitbox -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From skarsol at EROLS.COM Fri Aug 2 17:58:03 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 21:58:03 +0000 Subject: HW: Love in Space, Chaos, Space Ritual 1994 Live Message-ID: Bill Stewart wrote: > > In a message dated 96-08-02 11:07:59 EDT, you write: > > > I recommend this CD, but don't expect another > >Live Chronicles because it's just not quite up to that standard (for > >those of you keeping score at home, I like LC better than Space > >Ritual). > > Oh Lord!! Say a few Hail Mary's, make a good Act of Contrition and change > your pharmacist, you need a new perscription:-). Right this way doctor! > > regards, > Bill Stewart my preference twixt these albums changes with my mood.i listen to space ritual when im feeling nasty,lc when im in a brooding mood. i know that sounds strange,but... rj From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Aug 2 22:09:49 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 22:09:49 -0400 Subject: HW: Love in Space, Chaos, Space Ritual 1994 Live In-Reply-To: <960802192931_448204620@emout12.mail.aol.com> from "Bill Stewart" at Aug 2, 96 07:29:31 pm Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > > In a message dated 96-08-02 11:07:59 EDT, you write: > > > I recommend this CD, but don't expect another > >Live Chronicles because it's just not quite up to that standard (for > >those of you keeping score at home, I like LC better than Space > >Ritual). > > Oh Lord!! Say a few Hail Mary's, make a good Act of Contrition and change > your pharmacist, you need a new perscription:-). Right this way doctor! Uh, I guess I better get some of that, too. Since _Live Chronicles_ to me is up there in contention with _Imaginos_ for the best album ever created by the hand of man. :-) "Better make it a double, doc! (And bring back my headphones!)" Steve swann at panix.com From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sat Aug 3 01:55:55 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:55:55 -0500 Subject: HW: Remasters Message-ID: Has anyone heard anything more on the HW remasters hitting the US as domestic releases??? I've held off from buying the imports from Mike Coleman because I'd rather a) get them cheaper, and b) let HW know there's a US market. But I'm getting antsy.... Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Vice President Communications iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Event Horizon Productions, Inc. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Aug 3 02:00:39 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 23:00:39 -0700 Subject: HW: divided spiral galaxy Message-ID: You wrote: > >hi, > >among other things I've recently received a Warrior on the Edge of Time in >8-Track Cartridge format. > > >has anyone heard the divided version of Spiral Galaxy? >where did they make the cut? >was it abrupt or smoothly running? O ye Young One. In the long ago dim and distant, many albums were heard to have a fadeout at mid-tune, followed by the dreaded *ka-chunk*. I remember but one cool 8 track, Pink Floyd's Animals. There's a guitar solo connecting the 2 Pigs on the Wing. I don't think you can find it anywhere else... Wylie the Gray and Withered From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sat Aug 3 02:59:43 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 01:59:43 -0500 Subject: OFF: 8-tracks (was HW: divided spiral galaxy) In-Reply-To: <199608030600.XAA04568@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, William Stone wrote: > I remember but one cool 8 track, Pink Floyd's Animals. There's a > guitar solo connecting the 2 Pigs on the Wing. I don't think you can > find it anywhere else... I'm young (almost 23), but I have a fond memory of 8-tracks - more precisely, I have a fond memory of a particular 8-track album. It seems that at some point within 1980-1982, my mother had an 8-track player. The two 8-track tapes that I remember her having (possibly the only ones) were Sgt.Pepper and PF's The Wall. Now, being 6, 7, or 8 years old, I didn't care too much for the Beatles, so I couldn't tell you anything about where the divisions on Sgt.Pepper were because I never listened to that one. But I clearly remember having absolutely no problem with 8-tracks for two reasons: 1) The only 8-track album I ever listened to was The Wall, which already had 4 sides. 2) The only cool application for 8-tracks, besides hacking up songs to force them to fit, was a particular toy I had... it was a robot-looking thing which had an 8-track "socket" in the front. I think its name was "PXR5" or something. :) Seriously though, it was four letters/numbers, though I don't remember exactly which ones. Anyway, each 8-track came with a quiz of some sort, and of course all of the questions were multiple choice, each with 4 answers to choose from. And of course you would choose your answer by pressing A,B,C,or D, which would switch "sides", or more accurately change tracks. It was quite amusing for a 7-yr-old. :) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Aug 3 04:18:31 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 09:18:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawklords Live In-Reply-To: <199608021801.OAA07566@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: In message <199608021801.OAA07566 at beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, Keith A Henderson writes >Hi Folks.... > >I distinctly remember someone saying here that they were having a major >difficulty tracking down a CD copy of 'Hawklords Live'. I was making my usual >rounds here, and came across a used copy of said CD, so I went ahead and >snatched it up. > > >P.S. The Bainbridge CD has been claimed, although the Levitation (the band) CD >is still available to the first taker. Probably will trade for a cassette of >something interesting, or another cheapy CD. Well, Kieth That was me as well :) At the moment, I'm trading with Allen for this. Thanks for remembering though. I didn't twig you were offering the discs up yesterday, I'd have shouted for the Bainbridge too! The Levitation disc, I've got a couple of copies of. -- Jon Browne From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Sat Aug 3 09:38:49 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 09:38:49 BST Subject: OFF: UK radio Message-ID: Tim complains (quite rightly) "Well....ish. I mean having the choice of being able to listen to Classic Rock *at all* would be nice over here. Instead whats overplayed is Mark Morrison, Gina G, Fugees and the like - a bargain :-)" Tim, the best place to hear classic rock (& not just the old overplayed radio standards) is Alan 'Fluff' Freeman on Virgin Radio, friday nights 10-12. (Ob link to BOC/HW - he may be old, but he still rocks like a good 'un :-) ) Cheers, Neil ObCD Mike Scott 'Bring em all in' From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Aug 3 07:58:34 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:58:34 +0200 Subject: HW: Kollektor Kuestion Message-ID: a few short questions for the kollektors: 1) what was the original charisma cover for Astounding Sounds Amazing Music? I've seen both the "Woman with the Radio" and the "Concret Hawk" used as the front cover on the charisma vinyl. 2) got a list where an "unique compilation with old group photo cover" entitled "Silver Machine" on the Legend WZ label. This ain't the same as the German Karusell compilation. Anyone knows anything about this? (might be the lost (never confirmed) Silver Machine Live boot?) 3) same list claims the Doremi album came with a "Space Ritual Folder" in the very first pressings. is this really true? 4) same for the Hawklords/25 Years On album; "a nice A5 size booklet in the very first UK pressings". True? \\joe From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sat Aug 3 08:45:50 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 08:45:50 -0400 Subject: HW: Kollektor Kuestion Message-ID: Johan asks >1) >what was the original charisma cover for Astounding Sounds Amazing Music? >I've seen both the "Woman with the Radio" and the "Concret Hawk" used as the >front cover on the charisma vinyl. I *think* it was the "concrete hawk". (Which always looked a bit Nazi to me...) >3) >same list claims the Doremi album came with a "Space Ritual Folder" in the >very first pressings. is this really true? Early copies had the "Star Rats" poster, of course - maybe that's what's meant? >4) >same for the Hawklords/25 Years On album; "a nice A5 size booklet in the >very first UK pressings". True? I got mine on day of issue, and it didn't have one! Maybe I got a dud! But I did get a "nice A5 size booklet" on that tour (along with a nice shirt that I can't wear any more, and some nice button badges - my favourite was the "psi-power" one!). - Andy ObCD: v/a - _Unknown Deutschland_ From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Aug 3 08:47:47 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 14:47:47 +0200 Subject: HW: Kollektor Kuestion Message-ID: >>3) >>same list claims the Doremi album came with a "Space Ritual Folder" in the >>very first pressings. is this really true? > >Early copies had the "Star Rats" poster, of course - maybe that's what's >meant? nope, this is a booklet wasn't there a small booklet distributed freely on the Space Ritual Tour? >>4) >>same for the Hawklords/25 Years On album; "a nice A5 size booklet in the >>very first UK pressings". True? > >I got mine on day of issue, and it didn't have one! Maybe I got a dud! > >But I did get a "nice A5 size booklet" on that tour (along with a nice shirt >that I can't wear any more, and some nice button badges - my favourite was >the "psi-power" one!). This might be the item. Do you think it's worth the price of L12.50? >- Andy \\joe From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sat Aug 3 09:45:28 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig A. Shipley) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 09:45:28 -0400 Subject: HW: divided spiral galaxy Message-ID: ---------- From: William Stone[SMTP:stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM] Sent: Saturday, August 03, 1996 02:00 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: divided spiral galaxy You wrote: > >hi, > >among other things I've recently received a Warrior on the Edge of Time in >8-Track Cartridge format. > > >has anyone heard the divided version of Spiral Galaxy? >where did they make the cut? >was it abrupt or smoothly running? O ye Young One. In the long ago dim and distant, many albums were heard to have a fadeout at mid-tune, followed by the dreaded *ka-chunk*. I remember but one cool 8 track, Pink Floyd's Animals. There's a guitar solo connecting the 2 Pigs on the Wing. I don't think you can find it anywhere else... Wylie the Gray and Withered Greetings, O Gray and Withered from the Bald and Corpulent! That version of "PotW" can be found on a four CD Italian bootleg titled something like "Final Eclipse" (saw it once, but didn't have the $80 plus to get it). Got any copies of the remastered "XiSoS" left?? Craig (who is getting this telecommuting connection up and running at last!) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2101 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Aug 3 12:38:03 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 09:38:03 -0700 Subject: HW: divided spiral galaxy Message-ID: >Greetings, O Gray and Withered from the Bald and Corpulent! > Aye, Mother Time is a cruel mistress... >That version of "PotW" can be found on a four CD Italian bootleg titled >something like "Final Eclipse" (saw it once, but didn't have the $80 plus >to get it). > $80 for about 45 seconds of Gilmour. I'd pass on that one, methinks. >Got any copies of the remastered "XiSoS" left?? > O yes. Shall I fetch you one? Wylie From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Sat Aug 3 14:23:56 1996 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:23:56 EST Subject: HW: Cleopatra 'Space Box' 3CD set Message-ID: I visited my local Cleopatra store and consulted their new stock ordering literature, and discovered some more data about the contents of the forthcoming 3CD box set 'Space Box'. It will contain Hawkwind "Valium 10 (12")", Hawklords "Time Of..", Porcupine Tree "Burning Sky", and Darxtar "The Alien Nation", along with numerous other spacerock-related artists. The list price is $27.98 (RPM must have the wrong price on their web page), and the release date is (if I remember correctly) August 20, 1996. Needless to say, my advance order was placed on the spot for this item, as well as the new Melting Euphoria and the forthcoming Astralasia (US domestic!) CDs. These also come out in late August and early September. No news in his booklets about the announced Spiral Realms CD yet. I expect that this will be the rumoured live recording, possibly featuring Simon House, Del Dettmar, and/or Len Del Rio. Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObFinallyOnCD?: Grobschnitt "Jumbo" From cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Sat Aug 3 14:38:16 1996 From: cjohnson at HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:38:16 EST Subject: OFF: Pigs on the Wing (was HW: divided spiral galaxy) Message-ID: >>That version of "PotW" can be found on a four CD Italian bootleg titled >>something like "Final Eclipse" (saw it once, but didn't have the $80 plus >>to get it). > $80 for about 45 seconds of Gilmour. I'd pass on that one, methinks. Just to clarify an off-topic detail, the 4CD set was called "Total Eclipse", and contains approx. 300 minutes of excerpts from the best and rarest PF recordings. At $80, and with top-shelf packaging, this particular boot is one of my show pieces. :-) And also, it was Snowy White who did that bridge between the two parts of "Pigs on the Wing" on the 8-track. Not Dave G. at all. Captain Cloud cjohnson at hpsc.hisd.harris.com From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Sat Aug 3 16:33:24 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 16:33:24 -0400 Subject: HW: Cleopatra 'Space Box' 3CD set In-Reply-To: <9608031323.A19447@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Aug 3, 96 01:23:56 pm Message-ID: Cap'n sayz... > > I visited my local Cleopatra store and consulted their new stock > ordering literature, and discovered some more data about the > contents of the forthcoming 3CD box set 'Space Box'. > > It will contain Hawkwind "Valium 10 (12")", Hawklords "Time Of..", > Porcupine Tree "Burning Sky", and Darxtar "The Alien Nation", along > with numerous other spacerock-related artists. The list price is > $27.98 (RPM must have the wrong price on their web page), and the > release date is (if I remember correctly) August 20, 1996. > That's interesting, since as I've mentioned already, they were selling this item at the Cluster/The Brain show this past week. Of course, this was a Cleopatra operation itself, the Brain being on that label, but wonder why they're holding on to the official release if they're already made to sell three weeks in advance?? I'm sorry I didn't even ask on the price as there wasn't enough 'new' material for me to warrant interest. Keith H. (FAA) From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Sat Aug 3 16:42:32 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 16:42:32 -0400 Subject: OFF: UK radio In-Reply-To: <9608030838.AA16467@icarus.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> from "shillada@GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM" at Aug 3, 96 09:38:49 am Message-ID: Neil sayz... > > Tim complains (quite rightly) > >"Well....ish. I mean having the choice of being able to listen to Classic Rock > *at all* would be nice over here. Instead whats overplayed is Mark Morrison, > Gina G, Fugees and the like - a bargain :-)" > > Tim, the best place to hear classic rock (& not just the old overplayed radio > standards) is Alan 'Fluff' Freeman on Virgin Radio, friday nights 10-12. (Ob > link to BOC/HW - he may be old, but he still rocks like a good 'un :-) ) Well, I must've missed the first part of this thread, because I have no idea what this is all about, but I noticed the name Alan Freeman, and wonder if it is the same guy as the keyboardist from Nektar. Assuming it is, then you must be making a joke about his nickname....'Fluff' as opposed to 'Taff'. (?) So, he's a DJ now??? Hmmmm....what are any of the other Nektar members doing these days...I've heard of two other bands Roye Albrighton was in (can't remember the names right now), but I've seen only ho-hum reviews of these groups. Keith H. (FAA) PS. Sure wish Journey to the Centre of the Eye would be remastered...along with the rest of the Nektar catalogue. ObCD...Agitation Free - Second From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Sat Aug 3 16:53:51 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 16:53:51 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawklords Live In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Aug 3, 96 09:18:31 am Message-ID: Jon answers me publicly... > >I distinctly remember someone saying here that they were having a major > >difficulty tracking down a CD copy of 'Hawklords Live'. > > Well, Keith > > That was me as well :) > > At the moment, I'm trading with Allen for this. Thanks for remembering > though. OK, then I will open up the offer to anyone here on the list who's looking for this item....I paid $7 for it, so I'll let it go at cost, or work out a simple trade if you've got some spare CD's (send me a list) or a couple cassettes of something interesting. > I didn't twig you were offering the discs up yesterday, I'd have ^^^^ > shouted for the Bainbridge too! The Levitation disc, I've got a couple > of copies of. Hmmmmm....this must be another one of those British slang terms that hasn't crossed the Atlantic yet. At least he didn't use 'shag' instead... :) although I've long known what 'shagging' is all about (pun intended). Keith H. (FAA) PS...I remember a Saturday Night Live fake commercial that used the expression 'shagging my secretary', and wondered how many people even understood what that meant. It was a very funny bit, BTW....making fun of financial companies' ads. From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sat Aug 3 18:13:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 17:13:00 -0500 Subject: Cluster/Brain Show Message-ID: Hello, Saw the Cluster/The Brain show last night here in Boston. A very small crowd of about 30 people for the Brain who also only played for 30 minutes or so, which was disappointing as they were just starting to get into it. About 50 or so people for Cluster. They played some really cool mellow spacey stuff but the volume was so low that the sound of the kitchen in the next room was louder than they were. You could hear the spanish dishwasher and the clanning of the dishes with this spacey music going on in the background instead of the foreground. Anyway, David Kuznick and I spoke at length with Tony Greneas of Pressurehead (the Brain/ Far Flung). He said that the new pRessurehed Cd was finished and would be out in December. IT is going to be more trancy and spacey and less heavy. When I asked about a tour he said no, but that Far Flung have a new one and were going to tour for sure. They were selling the 3CD space rock set for $30 at the show. Lots of cool stuff on it.. He also spoke alot about HW and Nik Turner. He said that Nik was trying to set up a US tour with his swing jazz band and was also working on a deal for some more space rock on Alternative Tentacles and not Cleppatra. HE also said that Dave Brock has a 2-3 hour proshot video of Hawklord era Calvert material they he saw part of at some point that was incredible with all these costume changes etc.. He said the Knut who put together the Clavert web page has tried to get it for his project was basically told to jump in a lake.. Tony really likes Ron Tree and is glad that he is in the band. His main complaint with new HW is not the music but that the lyrics are all just the same thing and Dave is not very inspired these days, lyrically.. He said Nik does have adesire to play with Dave again and relive the old days when it was a comunnity band and not the dave brock controled band. Overall, he is a really nice Irish guy... who loves to talk about space rock (he didn't like Darxtar at all, but he had not heard the new one). He did mention he just got a Roxy Music tape from 1972 and that it was massivly HW influenced stuff!! Scott ObCs- Anglagaard- Prog Fest, LA 5/29/93 From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sat Aug 3 20:14:10 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 20:14:10 -0400 Subject: HW: Kollektor Kuestion Message-ID: Johan >wasn't there a small booklet distributed freely on the Space Ritual Tour? Now that's before my time! I might have had a copy of "Silver Machine" at age 12, but... >>>4) >>>same for the Hawklords/25 Years On album; "a nice A5 size booklet in the >>>very first UK pressings". True? >> >>But I did get a "nice A5 size booklet" on that tour >This might be the item. >Do you think it's worth the price of L12.50? Probably is the same... I'd say 12.50 is good for the LP and booklet, but I'm not sure it's worth it just for the sake of the booklet. Although the "car doors = angels' wings" stuff is pretty funky, and it is a desirable item! - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sat Aug 3 20:14:12 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 20:14:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: UK radio Message-ID: Keith said: >I noticed the name Alan Freeman, and wonder if it >is the same guy as the keyboardist from Nektar. Not unless he says things like "greetings, pop-pickers!" :) No, this Alan Freeman (always known as "Fluff") is a veteran radio presenter, now about 70 I guess, who did the BBC top 30 show ("Pick of the Pops") for donkeys' years. Not 'arf!! - Andy From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sun Aug 4 01:17:11 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 00:17:11 -0500 Subject: Cluster/Brain Show In-Reply-To: <01I7UIJTCBT23FMYNL@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Scott Heller (617) 724-7762 wrote: > Anyway, David Kuznick and I spoke at length with Tony Greneas ... Not to be too nitpicky or anything, but it's Tommy Grenas, with a ~ over the N, I *think*. Could be wrong about the ~, though, esp. since he's Irish. :) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers P.S.: That's great news both about Pressurehed and Farflung, though. I think I've finally figured out all the different bands, now. See, when HW changed band members, it kept the name, even though ex-members would come and go (Nik, House, Calvert, etc.). The space-rockers over at Cleo, on the other hand, having foreseen such a revolving door type of membership, not to mention the subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) differences between the various member-combinations, decided to have a different name for each combination. So Pressurehed = spacey/psychedelic/industrial-almost-techno, i.e. more emphasis on synths, plus a sequenced drum machine on most tracks. Farflung = spacey/psychedelic/industrial *rock*, i.e. Pressurehed w/less synth and a real drummer. The Brain = the members common to both of the above. Zero Grav = Len Del Rio keeping himself busy when the rest of Pressurehed is busy Flinging their collective Brain about. Spiral Realms = Len Del Rio keeping himself busy with House when the rest of Pressurehed is busy Flinging their collective Brain about. Nikwind = everybody plus Nik, Del, Powell, and sometimes House on a VERY crowded stage. Anubian Lights = Pressurehed with a synth fetish (take a look at the credits, anyway), plus DATs from the rest of Nikwind. [oh yeah, and a cute story focusing on the ex-Hawks' adventures in the afterlife. :) ] From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sun Aug 4 01:19:45 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 00:19:45 -0500 Subject: HW: Cleopatra 'Space Box' 3CD set In-Reply-To: <199608032033.QAA12174@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Aug 1996, Keith A Henderson wrote: > That's interesting, since as I've mentioned already, they were selling this > item at the Cluster/The Brain show this past week. Of course, this was a > Cleopatra operation itself, the Brain being on that label, but wonder why > they're holding on to the official release if they're already made to sell > three weeks in advance?? Dunno, but they were doing the same thing with Anubian Lights during Space Ritual '95. I think it's a relatively common practice, actually. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Aug 4 07:53:17 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 13:53:17 +0200 Subject: HW: Hawklords Live Message-ID: >OK, then I will open up the offer to anyone here on the list who's looking for >this item....I paid $7 for it, so I'll let it go at cost, or work out a simple >trade if you've got some spare CD's (send me a list) or a couple cassettes of >something interesting. ok, Kjell, I'm trying another time to trade with you... is it the Griffin one with pic disk and pink typos on front cover? \\joe From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Aug 4 08:15:32 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:15:32 +0200 Subject: HW: Hawklords Live Message-ID: At 13:53 1996-08-04 +0200, you wrote: >>OK, then I will open up the offer to anyone here on the list who's looking for >>this item....I paid $7 for it, so I'll let it go at cost, or work out a simple >>trade if you've got some spare CD's (send me a list) or a couple cassettes of >>something interesting. > >ok, Kjell, I'm trying another time to trade with you... >is it the Griffin one with pic disk and pink typos on front cover? > >\\joe sorry Keith and world, this was not meant to be public \\joe From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Sun Aug 4 08:53:31 1996 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:53:31 GMT Subject: HW: Kollecting Questions Message-ID: I was looking round the market on Friday and one of the record stalls had a big box full of Hawkwind records on it (about 50 or 60) that he had bought as a job lot of someone. Mainly 1980's onwards though he did have Doremi with the poster. Typically we were in a hurry so I just got a quick look through them and all I bought was an autographed copy of Hawklords for UKP10. (please dont tell me this is too much money) Anyway a couple of questions Anyone know what the signatures should look like ? its signed by Brock, Calvert, Bainbridge, Swindells and (I think) Griffin which makes it the right people for the Hawklords tour Brocks signature is an easy to read Dave followed by a big squiggle. He had another couple of autographed albums and Brocks signature looked the same on them all. Also there were two sleeves Ive not seen before one was I think a foreign version of Roadhawks (?) blue cover with a little picture of the original sleeve surrounded by an American road scene. (sorry for the description) Other one that caught my eye was one he wanted UKP30 for a double album Spanish I think, red sleeve maybe a flicknife compilation again crap description but whats this ? THis led me to think that we should really do a brief discography with price guide - or have record collector already done one. IF anyone wasnts anything desparately I will hopefully be in town again this Friday so if you let me know I will have alook for you. And before you all ask he didnt have any italian 7" singles. Bye From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sun Aug 4 10:41:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 09:41:00 -0500 Subject: Bevis Frond in US Message-ID: Incredible night last night! I still can't believe it! Nick Salomen (aka Bevis Frond) played in Boston last night with a local street musican named mary lou Lord. They are going to LA today to record a 7" of songs that Nik wrote for her on Kill Rock Stars label. She arranged for him to play here. He also did a 56m set live in the studio which will be broadcast on WMBR 881. next friday from 9-10 am. Anyway, Nick was incredibly cool. He loved the Bevis Shirt that Carl had brought me from England. He played like 4 songs with Mary Lou and then 5-6 songs on his own. He did play Stone Train Driver electric with two pick up musicians that had backed Mary Lou on her first 7". The news is what people will be interested in. Outskirts of Infinity who had broken up are back together. Nick said that bari is very untogether though and when a new lp will be out is not known. He said the Bevis/Dr. Brown studio jam recorded when he produced the Another Realms Cd for Dr. Brown will not be released because the drummer did not think he had a good night. Nick commented that he thought it was a great jam session, much better than the Nick and Nick and the psychotic Drivers lp. We talked about Huw LLoyd Langton as well. He said he was a super nice chap, but that his drinking problems were just too bad.... The new Bevis lp is done and will be out in October or so... The Succour compilation has been a great sucess and really helped out the Ptolamaic Terrascope magazine. Nick said that he had been talking with a label called Infinity Zero or something like that about rereleasing his back catalog here in the US and new releases. We will see. Touring is just too expensive at this point, so be patient. What a great time....... SCott ObCs- The Muggers (lemmy, fast eddie, philthy, and another guitarist and vocalist doing all covers like Cinniman Girl, Summertime Blues, Something Else, etc... live in 1978!) "I used to see a professor that I thought was brilliant; I had tremendous respect for him. At lunch, he was drinking only milk because he could not afford anything else. And I thought, if I studied 10 more years, I would be at that level". Sandor Zeidlas, a third year student in Chemistry, who quit to go into business. Quote from Science magazine article on European Universities (Hungary). From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sun Aug 4 09:42:30 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 09:42:30 -0400 Subject: HW: Kollecting Questions Message-ID: In a message dated 04/08/96 13:00:24, you write: >Other one that caught my eye was one he wanted UKP30 for a double album >Spanish I think, red sleeve maybe a flicknife compilation again crap >description but whats this ? That's the Victoria album. All early '80s Flicknife stuff you've probably got on Independent Days or F&R, even if you didn't get the original singles. It's a nice pressing, but 30 quid seems pretty steep to me. I got mine in Sydney, of all places (nice little heavy metal shop off Martin Plaza). - Andy From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Aug 4 08:46:05 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 23:46:05 +1100 Subject: HW: (Fwd) Hawkwind Vinyl Collection Message-ID: Anyone out there need some HW vinyl? Sonique ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Amanda Date: Sat, 03 Aug 96 20:41:48 -700 To: sonique at hyme.pcmicro.com.au Subject: Hawkwind Vinyl Collection Hi! my name's Amanda & I can be contacted at; donovan at ozemail.com.au Here is a list of my collection should anybody be interested in purchasing? What news of an Australian tour????? PS - Great page!! Gong Camembert Electrique LP Pye CHARLY CRM 2003 Hawklord 25 Years On LP Polygram 9124 032 Hawkwind Astounding Sounds Amazing Music LP Charisma CHC14 Hawkwind Doremi Fasol Latido LP United Artists UAL 34730 Hawkwind Friends And Relations LP Flicknife SHARP 101 Hawkwind Hall Of The Mountain Grill LP Liberty 8102 GL Hawkwind Hawkwind LP Liberty LBS 83348 Hawkwind In Search Of Space LP FestivalSUAL934417 Hawkwind Levitation LP Festival L37498 Hawkwind Live Sample LP Bronze/Festival L37425 Hawkwind Masters Of The Universe LP Liberty FA 3008 Hawkwind Quark Strangeness And Charm LP Charisma CDS 4008 Hawkwind Repeat Performance LP Charisma BG 2 Hawkwind Roadhawks LP EMI FA 41 3096 1 Hawkwind Rock File LP United Artists LBR1012 Hawkwind Silver Machine EP Samurai HW12001 Hawkwind Sonic Attack LP RCA RCALP6004 Hawkwind Stonehenge - Do Not Panic LP & EP Single Flicknife Sharp 022 Hawkwind The Chronicle Of The Black Sword LP Flicknife SHARP 33-A Hawkwind The Text Of Festival Live 1970-2 Double LP United Artists JAMS 29 Hawkwind Warrior On The Edge Of Time Australian LP United Artists L35539 Hawkwind Zones LP Flicknife SHARP 014 -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Aug 4 08:51:28 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 23:51:28 +1100 Subject: OFF: Slang Message-ID: On 3 Aug 96 at 16:53, Keith A Henderson wrote: > > I didn't twig you were offering the discs up yesterday, I'd have > ^^^^ > Hmmmmm....this must be another one of those British slang terms that hasn't > crossed the Atlantic yet. At least he didn't use 'shag' instead... :) > although I've long known what 'shagging' is all about (pun intended). Damn! I always thought that was "strine" ..... I just hate it when you find out that a word you always use just to prove to the world that you are a proud Aussie turns out showing that you are, after all, just a convict :( Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From stayer at PI.NET Fri Aug 2 21:13:56 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 18:13:56 PDT Subject: Unknown Deutschland Message-ID: Andy, >Just picked up this compilation, by some Cologne bands in the 72-74 >timeframe. Very obscure - I thought I knew a bit about this scene, but I >hadn't heard of any of them! Golem, Temple, Astral Army, Galactic >Explorers, etc... >Anyway, definitely proper kosmische Musik - some nice long improv pieces, >of ur-punk, all that's best from Krautrock, really. And at only nine >ninety-nine, I know there's some heads on boc-l that ought to check it out! Please give me the title and record comp cat#! Thanks, Jerry From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Aug 4 09:11:19 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 00:11:19 +1100 Subject: HW: Kollecting Questions Message-ID: On 4 Aug 96 at 9:42, Andy Gilham wrote: > That's the Victoria album. All early '80s Flicknife stuff you've probably > got on Independent Days or F&R, even if you didn't get the original singles. > > It's a nice pressing, but 30 quid seems pretty steep to me. I got mine in > Sydney, of all places (nice little heavy metal shop off Martin Plaza). I'd say a few of these must have found their way to Oz - when I got mine (from a HM shop in Melbourne), they had about a dozen on the shelf ...... and one copy of the CYM tour guid (Yay!) Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Aug 4 11:28:04 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 17:28:04 +0200 Subject: HW: Kollecting Questions Message-ID: >Also there were two sleeves Ive not seen before one was I think a foreign >version of Roadhawks (?) blue cover with a little picture of the original >sleeve surrounded by an American road scene. (sorry for the description) this is the German Roadhawks in the Masterpiece series. I gave 15 pounds for mine. >Other one that caught my eye was one he wanted UKP30 for a double album >Spanish I think, red sleeve maybe a flicknife compilation again crap >description but whats this ? This is the spanish colletion on the "poor man's label" Victoria. Quite rare, but I think 30 pounds is too much. >THis led me to think that we should really do a brief discography with >price guide - or have record collector already done one. > >IF anyone wasnts anything desparately I will hopefully be in town again >this Friday so if you let me know I will have alook for you. And before >you all ask he didnt have any italian 7" singles. >Bye \\joe From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sun Aug 4 11:54:08 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:54:08 -0400 Subject: BOC: Whiter shade of Pale (was short sets) Message-ID: Bet you never noticed, Steve, while loving Whiter Shade of Pale, that what's so lovable is that borrows quite liberally (and intentionally) from when "When A Man Loves A Woman"! DF From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sun Aug 4 12:51:44 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:51:44 -0400 Subject: Unknown Deutschland Message-ID: Jerry >Please give me the title and record comp cat#! Full Title: Unknown Deutschland - The Krautrock Archive Vol 1 Virgin CDOVD 468 / 7243 8 41949 2 5 My favourite track is probably The Astral Army's "Interstellar Shortwave"! - Andy From skarsol at EROLS.COM Sun Aug 4 10:20:58 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:20:58 +0000 Subject: Bevis Frond in US Message-ID: Scott Heller (617) 724-7762 wrote: i am hoping you didnt know about this.... add several thousand expletives of yer choice.i would have been there on a rumor. i am a pissed off and very sad boy rite now. rj From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sun Aug 4 14:23:36 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:23:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: VDGG Message-ID: >>Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts (UK) > >Hey Keith a good one there you got:-) Just picked up Hammil's_ X my heart_ >alot of sentimental stuff but a couple of real good ones. I found that even >when PH is singing about something upbeat it can still make me wanna draw a >hot bath and sharpen up the ole razor. Wow, how do you feel after listening to "Over" ;-) Martyn From stayer at PI.NET Sun Aug 4 22:27:42 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 19:27:42 PDT Subject: OFF: UK radio Message-ID: Keith, Haven't you heard my cries for Nektar fans?! :-) >Well, I must've missed the first part of this thread, because I have no idea >what this is all about, but I noticed the name Alan Freeman, and wonder if >is the same guy as the keyboardist from Nektar. Assuming it is, then you >be making a joke about his nickname....'Fluff' as opposed to 'Taff'. (?) I just replied with this same question. I don't believe he is - this Freeman also wrote some books, including one on the Beatles. I guess he was more of a music journalist. I really hope it is him. I sure got a lot of questions about Nektar! :-) >So, he's a DJ now??? Hmmmm....what are any of the other Nektar members >these days...I've heard of two other bands Roye Albrighton was in (can't >remember the names right now), but I've seen only ho-hum reviews of these >groups. Snowball and Quantum Jump or something. I've heard one album by one of those, but didn't like it too much. I've tried to locate the other members (I called Peter Hauke and I've tried to search on the Internet for their names - I still have to call Dieter Dierks one time), but that did not work. >PS. Sure wish Journey to the Centre of the Eye would be remastered...along >the rest of the Nektar catalogue. I spoke to Bellaphon a couple of times, and they're not too interested in it. Also, Man In The Moon (Ariola) will never be re-released, let alone re-mastered... Have you got any Nektar live tapes??? Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sun Aug 4 22:15:46 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 19:15:46 PDT Subject: HW: Kollektor Kuestion Message-ID: >Johan asks >>1) >>what was the original charisma cover for Astounding Sounds Amazing Music? >>I've seen both the "Woman with the Radio" and the "Concret Hawk" used as the >>front cover on the charisma vinyl. >I *think* it was the "concrete hawk". (Which always looked a bit Nazi to >me...) I have a charisma release with the woman with a radio on the front (with Charisma logo in the top right corner and space ship in the top left corner), concrete hawk on the back. I have never seen it the other way around. My LP: Charisma 9124-002. I am quite sure this is a re-issue - the vinyl is way too thin to be from 1976, although I could be wrong. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sun Aug 4 22:13:02 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 19:13:02 PDT Subject: OFF: UK radio Message-ID: Tim complains (quite rightly) >>"Well....ish. I mean having the choice of being able to listen to Classic >>Rock >>*at all* would be nice here. Instead whats overplayed is Mark Morrison, >>Gina G, Fugees and the like - a bargain :-)" Neil comforts: >Tim, the best place to hear classic rock (& not just the old overplayed >radio standards) is Alan 'Fluff' Freeman on Virgin Radio, friday nights >10-12. >(Ob link to BOC/HW - he may be old, but he still rocks like a good 'un :-) ) Is that Alan Freeman who played in Nektar? Hm, I guess not... He (from Nektar) used to be called Alan 'Taff' Freeman, btw. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sun Aug 4 21:51:45 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 18:51:45 PDT Subject: BOC: Carol Dodds Message-ID: >Carol Dodds with an S was the lighting director until she got tired of the >local spot operators who wouldn't follow her directions. During her tenure, >she also did the band's nightly introduction, which for some reason was >tacked on to the live version of BtBW. I hope someone is copying this quote directly into the FAQ - where it belongs? :-) Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sun Aug 4 21:37:38 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 18:37:38 PDT Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: Jerry stated: >> >> saw Page & Plant in 93, I was almost glad they didn't play Stairway. Theo asked: >> >Almost? Jerry answered: >> Well, alright. I was very pleased they didn't do it. I hate Stairway - I >> probably have heard it too many times! (So /that's/ it!) Theo replied: >Consider yourself lucky to live in Europe for, among other obvious >reasons, your insulation from 'Classic Rock' radio stations, or you'd >hate it a lot more, along with 'Freebird' and a whole bunch of other >songs that started out great but wound up being destroyed by >overplaying. Hmm...sounds like a BOC-L thread? "Other obvious reasons" - I guess we've discussed those before? :-) I don't even own a radio - it's not interesting enough. All those same old hits I don't like anymore, dislike or hate, music I detest anyway (most of today's hits). Nah, not for me. The BOC-L thread - it's been a typical BOC-L thread from the moment we started discussing the big three... I wonder if EB or DR will read about this thread. I hope it makes them think about setting up a completely different set-list. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sun Aug 4 21:44:01 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 18:44:01 PDT Subject: Twenty-Three Ways To Break An Engagement Message-ID: ========================================================== Twenty-Three Ways To Break An Engagement 1. At a really passionate moment, call her "Mommy". 2. Tell her you owe $100,000, but you know that by both of you working and putting in all the overtime you can get, it should be paid off in 25 or 30 years. 3. Say you'd love to marry her as soon as you've captured all of those Venusian invaders. 4. Call her at 4:15 AM on Sunday morning and ask if she can think of a 12-letter word meaning "Before the blood" beginning with the letter "A". 5. Ask if she'd mind changing clothes with you. 6. Scratch constantly. Explain that a doctor told you it wasn't catching unless the little flakes of skin actually touch someone. 7. Give her a 550 lb. set of barbells for an engagement present. 8. Tell her your pet skunk does not stink unless upset. 9. Keep a "How to Avoid Wetting Your Bed" book on your couch. 10. Insist that she walk five paces behind you. 11. Say that your mother, an interior decorator, must live with you. 12. Sing "Melancholy Baby" constantly. 13. Spend hours and hours showing her your voluminous XXX-rated magazine collection. 14. Tell her that your favorite author is Marquis de Sade. 15. Shower her with gifts of mouthwash. 16. Say that even though your mother and father are also sister and brother, you turned out perfectly formed. 17. Tell her your first wife was one of the "Gay Sisters", and ask her if she would mind spending a few weekends with her. 18. Make a pass at her mother and father. 19. Say that you're 99% sure your mother will allow you to marry her. 20. Tell her you always take out large insurance policies on all of your wives. 21. Rent a Rolls Royce, take her for a ride, and ask her if she gets a kick out of doing the town in a stolen car. 22. Tell her you have your wig paid off but your teeth are still in hock. 23. Confess just a few of your hangups! ========================================================== Jerry From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sun Aug 4 15:08:42 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 15:08:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Kollektor Kuestion Message-ID: >I have a charisma release with the woman with a radio on the front (with >Charisma logo in the top right corner and space ship in the top left >corner), concrete hawk on the back. I have never seen it the other way >around. > >My LP: Charisma 9124-002. I am quite sure this is a re-issue - the vinyl is >way too thin to be from 1976, although I could be wrong. I know both exist - because my copy (CDS 4004) has hawk on the front - that is, with the hawk towards you, the opening is on the right. It's clearly a cock-up, becasue the album title really ought to be on the front and the track list on the back! I know this album is a kollektor's nightmare, both for this reason, and that (I'm told) the Kadu Flyer credits vary (mine has Mandelkau/House/Calvert). (And before we start *that* thread again, yes it should have a credit to Turner, but for legal reasons - cf Calvert/MacManus on SM/7x7 - he used Jamie Mandelkau's name instead.) But the thing is, I'm not sure if mine is an original or not - I must have got it in 77 or 78, it has the inner sleeve, but... - Andy From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sun Aug 4 16:58:39 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:58:39 -0400 Subject: OFF:Project Tracking Message-ID: TO: ALL PERSONNEL >FROM: ACCOUNTING > >It has come to our attention recently that many of you have been turning in >timesheets that specify large amounts of "Miscellaneous Unproductive Time" >(Code 5309). To our department, unproductive time isn't a problem. What is >a problem, however, is not knowing exactly what you are doing during your >unproductive time. > >Attached below is a sheet specifying a tentative extended job code list based >on our observations of employee activities. The list will allow you to >specify with a fair amount of precision what you are doing during your >unproductive time. Please begin using this job code list immediately and let >us know about any difficulties you encounter. > >Thank you. >Administration > >Attached: Extended Job Code List >________________________________ >Code Number Explanation >---------- ----------- >5316 Meeting >5317 Obstructing Communications at Meeting >5318 Trying to Sound Knowledgeable While in Meeting >5319 Waiting for Break >5320 Waiting for Lunch >5321 Waiting for End of Day >5322 Vicious Verbal Attacks Directed at Coworker >5323 Vicious Verbal Attacks Directed at Coworker Who is Not Present >5393 Covering for Incompetence of Coworker Friend >5400 Trying to Explain Concept to Coworker Who is Not Interested in > Learning >5401 Trying to Explain Concept to Coworker Who is Stupid >5402 Trying to Explain Concept to Coworker Who Hates You >5481 Buying Snack >5482 Eating Snack >5500 Filling Out Timesheet >5501 Inventing Timesheet Entries >5502 Waiting for Something to Happen >5503 Scratching Yourself >5504 Sleeping >5510 Feeling Bored >5600 Bitching About Lousy Job >5601 Bitching About Low Pay >5602 Bitching About Long Hours >5603 Bitching About Coworker (See Codes #5322 & #5323) >5604 Bitching About Boss >5605 Bitching About Personal Problems >5640 Miscellaneous Unproductive Bitching >5701 Not Actually Present At Job >5702 Suffering From Eight-Hour Flu >6102 Ordering Out >6103 Waiting for Food Delivery to Arrive >6104 Taking It Easy While Digesting Food >6200 Using Company Resources for Personal Profit >6201 Stealing Company Goods >6202 Making Excuses After Accidentally Destroying Company Goods >6203 Using Company Phone to Make Long-Distance Personal Calls >6204 Using Company Phone to Make Long-Distance Personal Calls in > Order to Sell Stolen Company Goods >6206 Gossip (misc.) >6207 Planning a Social Event (e.g. vacation, wedding, etc.) >6210 Feeling Sorry For Yourself >6221 Pretending to Work While Boss Is Watching >6222 Pretending to Enjoy Your Job >6223 Pretending to Like Coworker >6224 Pretending to Like Important People Who in Reality Are Jerks >6238 Miscellaneous Unproductive Fantasizing >6350 Playing Pranks on the New Guy/Gal >6601 Running your own Business on Company Time (See Code #6603) >6602 Complaining >6603 Writing a Book on Company Time >6611 Staring Into Space >6612 Staring At Computer Screen >6615 Transcendental Meditation >7281 Extended Visit to the Bathroom (at least 10 minutes) >7400 Talking With Divorce Lawyer on Phone >7401 Talking With Plumber on Phone >7402 Talking With Dentist on Phone >7403 Talking With Doctor on Phone >7404 Talking With Masseuse on Phone >7405 Talking With House Painter on Phone >7406 Talking With Personal Therapist on Phone > >7419 Talking With Miscellaneous Paid Professional on Phone >7931 Asking Coworker to Aid You in an Illicit Activity >8000 Reading and Sending Personal E-mail From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sun Aug 4 16:55:46 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:55:46 -0400 Subject: OFF: Everyone's A Critic Message-ID: Thought you might enjoy the first literary efforts of my friend Carla DeSantis' 8 year old, just published in shorter form in Seattle's Rocket...it's more informed and intelligent than just about anything I've read in the rock press or music sections elsewhere by an "adult" lately.... My Review By David DeSantis I went to see my first rock concert, Lollapalooza, with my mom. I really like The Ramones, so I wanted to see them, especially since they were going to break up. My mom talks to Joey Ramone on the phone sometimes and he has helped her out with her magazine, so he gave us V.I.P. passes. When we got there, we had to wait a long time to get to our parking spot and tickets. They checked to see if we had any weapons or anything. Unfortunately, we didnit. Then we went to the Main Stage. The Shaolin Monks were playing. I didnit really see them because we went backstage where they had couches under a tent and it wasnit so hot. That was where the dressing rooms were for The Ramones and Rancid. Somebody said they saw Joey talking to Eddie Vedder outside the tent. I started running down there and my mom followed me. He had long hair and we couldnit see his face so we thought it was Joey. I said to my mom, iYou say hi first.i She said, iHi, Eddie. Hi, Joey. When he turned around we saw it wasnit Joey -- it was Johnny. My mom said, iIim a friend of Joeyis.i Then Johnny said, iHeis your friend and you donit even know what he looks like?i And my mom said, iWell, I never met him before.i My mom was really embarrassed so we went back to where the dressing room was. The Ramonesi tour manager came by. His name was Monty. I asked him if we could go into The Ramonesi dressing room and meet Joey. Then he said, iokay, come on.i We saw Joey talking to these two other people. I gave him some candy and two pictures that I drew. He had to go and get ready for the show so we went to the press area to see if my friend, Charley, the editor of The Rocket was there. He wasnit, so we went out to the audience and waited for The Ramones to start playing. They were a very good band and I liked them a lot. I thought it was loud. I noticed the songs were a lot faster than on the tapes. When they were done we went back over to the tent. Joey came out of the dressing room and asked us if we wanted to go eat with him. I asked my mom and she said yes so we ate at the tent where only people like rock stars and their friends could get something. We didnit have a ticket so Joey asked his friend if she had one for me, and she did. After we ate, Joey took us backstage and Soundgarden started to play. We went up to the side. I liked all the songs, especially iBlack Hole Sun.i Chris Cornell played it alone. He said iThis is the very first concert I ever played with my car keys in my pocket.i Andy, the guitar tuner from Metallica, let all the kids get closer to the band, where he was getting the guitars ready. I said to him, iI like your guitar,i so he gave me a Metallica guitar pick. Then he put part of the guitar over me, and I played it with the pick. After Soundgarden was done we left. I threw a fit because I didnit get to see Metallica. Mom said it was too late. From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sun Aug 4 19:35:34 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:35:34 -0700 Subject: HW: Kollecting Questions Message-ID: >Anyway a couple of questions > >Anyone know what the signatures should look like ? >its signed by Brock, Calvert, Bainbridge, Swindells and (I think) Griffin >which makes it the right people for the Hawklords tour >Brocks signature is an easy to read Dave followed by a big >squiggle. > >He had another couple of autographed albums and Brocks signature looked the >same on them all. I have an autograped Valium 10 single I _think_ is legit. Dave's sig is quite legible first and last except for the k. First name is printed, not script. Harvey's is script, with a large B, and spaced thusly: Bain brid ge. Odd, I've never trie to describe handwriting before. The other odd thing is that it says "Happy Birthday Mike"... Wylie From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 5 01:10:40 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 01:10:40 BST Subject: Lost diary Message-ID: Hi folks Just to say quickly that someone nicked my diary while I was on holiday last week and there were several email addresses and phone numbers I'd listed at the back. So if anyone gets any wierd messages could you let me know - and maybe I can try and track down the sender. I hope this won't happen but apologies and warnings in advance in case it does. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Sun Aug 4 21:35:18 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:35:18 -0400 Subject: OFF: Motorhead remasters... In-Reply-To: from "Jerry" at Aug 4, 96 07:13:02 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks... Have just discovered that all of the early MH albums have now been re-released on CD in a remastered format, apparently with generous serving of bonus tracks. Anybody got any of these yet??? Where/by whom were they released?? I'm not really sure that Motorhead music really requires the 'white-glove' treatment on the sound quality, as quantity has always been the main objective. :) But I *would* be interested in getting the remastered 'No Sleep till Hammersmith' disc...as this is such a classic live album....and my first taste of MH music. As a 16-year old, I didn't quite grasp it at first, but over the years I've grown to love this album and it's sheer 'sonic attack'...Lem-style. Keith H. (FAA) 'Born to lose' From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon Aug 5 12:40:26 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:40:26 EST Subject: OFF: Delerium Records In-Reply-To: ; from "Richard Lockwood" at Aug 2, 96 12:43:45 pm Message-ID: Hello Pop Pickers Just received a mail from Ivor at DElerium Records to say that their web page is up and running.Had a quick peek and it looks pretty good.There is a History of uk and us bands ,the uk one lists Hawkwind with a brief history and discography up to '76,didn't check to see if was correct though. http://www.delerium.co.uk or http://www.delerium.com sorry just had a brainfade. regards Marty From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Aug 4 21:54:19 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:54:19 +1100 Subject: OFF: Delerium Records Message-ID: On 5 Aug 96 at 11:40, Martyn Lawrence wrote: > Hello Pop Pickers Pop Pickers? > Just received a mail from Ivor at DElerium Records to say > that their web page is up and running.Had a quick peek and it looks > pretty good.There is a History of uk and us bands ,the uk one lists > Hawkwind with a brief history and discography up to '76,didn't check > to see if was correct though. I got the same mail (the darXtar link is to my page ) .... I never found HW though (except for heaps of references) .... I'll have to have a nother geek! Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Mon Aug 5 01:00:42 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 00:00:42 -0500 Subject: HW: divided spiral galaxy Message-ID: > I remember but one cool 8 track, Pink Floyd's Animals. There's a >guitar solo connecting the 2 Pigs on the Wing. I don't think you can >find it anywhere else... it). This is available on the EMI compilation of Snowy White unreleased songs. It was in fact him, and not David Gilmour, that performed that solo (and quite good it is too). It was only released last year and I'm sure you can still get hold of it. Yours Star_Rats From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Mon Aug 5 01:05:38 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 00:05:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Kollecting Questions Message-ID: >Anyway a couple of questions > >Anyone know what the signatures should look like ? >its signed by Brock, Calvert, Bainbridge, Swindells and (I think) Griffin >which makes it the right people for the Hawklords tour >Brocks signature is an easy to read Dave followed by a big >squiggle. Hi, I would check this carefully as Dave's signiture is clear and pretty easy to read. You should be able to make out the word 'Brock' with no problem. If it is a fake and the same signiture appears on the other records, it's not much to think that the same person could have signed the same forged signiture on each record. Just make sure if you can. Yours, Star-Rats From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Mon Aug 5 01:08:49 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 00:08:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Kollektor Kuestion Message-ID: >I have a charisma release with the woman with a radio on the front (with >Charisma logo in the top right corner and space ship in the top left >corner), concrete hawk on the back. I have never seen it the other way >around. The sleeve has the opening for the record on the other side; maybe he got confused by this? Star-Rats From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Aug 5 03:57:32 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 07:57:32 +0000 Subject: HW: Kollektor Kuestion Message-ID: Hawkwind wrote: > > >I have a charisma release with the woman with a radio on the front (with > >Charisma logo in the top right corner and space ship in the top left > >corner), concrete hawk on the back. I have never seen it the other way > >around. > > The sleeve has the opening for the record on the other side; maybe he got > confused by this? > > Star-Rats i have both.and the side it opens on determines which is the front. rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Mon Aug 5 03:59:39 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 07:59:39 +0000 Subject: HW: Kollecting Questions Message-ID: Hawkwind wrote: > > >Anyway a couple of questions > > > >Anyone know what the signatures should look like ? > >its signed by Brock, Calvert, Bainbridge, Swindells and (I think) Griffin > >which makes it the right people for the Hawklords tour > >Brocks signature is an easy to read Dave followed by a big > >squiggle. > > Hi, > I would check this carefully as Dave's signiture is clear and pretty > easy to read. You should be able to make out the word 'Brock' with no > problem. If it is a fake and the same signiture appears on the other > records, it's not much to think that the same person could have signed the > same forged signiture on each record. > > Just make sure if you can. > > Yours, > Star-Rats i hate to be contrary, but i have many autos from dave which i watched him sign,and more often than not "{brock" looks like an ekg readout,and nothing like brock.i think it depends on his mood. rj From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Aug 5 08:11:02 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 13:11:02 +0100 Subject: Bevis Frond in US In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 04 Aug 1996 09:41:00 CDT." <01I7VGETW51I3FN0MC@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> Message-ID: > > Nick said that he had been talking with a label called Infinity > Zero or something like that about rereleasing his back catalog here in > the US and new releases. We will see. Touring is just too expensive at > this point, so be patient. Isn't Infinity Zero the label created by Rick Rubin & Henry Rollins to cater for not quite Def Am type bands ? Tim From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Aug 5 08:17:06 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 13:17:06 +0100 Subject: Cluster/Brain Show In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 04 Aug 1996 00:17:11 CDT." Message-ID: > So Pressurehed = spacey/psychedelic/industrial-almost-techno, i.e. more > emphasis on synths, plus a sequenced drum machine on most tracks. > > Farflung = spacey/psychedelic/industrial *rock*, i.e. Pressurehed w/less > synth and a real drummer. > Though Pressurehed doesn't have a real drummer, I'd put it at being rockier than Farflung. There's a heck of a lot of guitar on _Infadrone_, while FF _25000 ft/s_ is more floaty in places. "Boost it!" Tim VeryOddIndeed: Terence Mckenna & Zuvuya : _Dream Matrix Telemetry_ From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Aug 5 09:27:01 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:27:01 -0400 Subject: BOC: Whiter shade of Pale (was short sets) In-Reply-To: <960804115407_171448199@emout08.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Aug 4, 96 11:54:08 am Message-ID: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM writes: > > Bet you never noticed, Steve, while loving Whiter Shade of Pale, that what's > so lovable is that borrows quite liberally (and intentionally) from when > "When A Man Loves A Woman"! Well, I didn't notice "Good Vibrations" in my favorite passage of "Golden Age of Leather" either. And since it doesn't get much more obvious than that, I guess you could say that I'm rather oblivious to these things. :-) Steve swann at panix.com From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 5 09:55:27 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:55:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: Short Sets Message-ID: Well, I always thought it was Patti also. However, I asked Bolle. He said it was: "none the less than Lighting Crew woman Miss Caroll Dodd" Question answered! R. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 5 09:56:06 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:56:06 -0400 Subject: BOC Sets Message-ID: Bolle's unaware of any DP Highway Star cover by BOC. Ken, when/where did you hear this? Sure it wasn' t the opening act? R. From hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK Mon Aug 5 09:57:44 1996 From: hssmrg at BATH.AC.UK (M R Godwin) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 14:57:44 +0100 Subject: BOC: Whiter shade of Pale (was short sets) In-Reply-To: <960804115407_171448199@emout08.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Aug 1996 DFrost8547 at aol.com wrote: > Bet you never noticed, Steve, while loving Whiter Shade of Pale, that what's > so lovable is that borrows quite liberally (and intentionally) from when > "When A Man Loves A Woman"! Before I found out who recorded 'Whiter Shade of Pale', I assumed that it was Percy Sledge's follow up to 'When a Man Loves a Woman'. - Mike Godwin From stayer at PI.NET Sun Aug 4 23:35:02 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 20:35:02 PDT Subject: FW: Chickens Message-ID: ====================================== >"In a recent issue of Meat & Poultry magazine, editors quoted from >Feathers, the publication of the California Poultry Industry Federation, >telling the following story. > >It seems the US Federal Aviation Administration has a unique device for >testing the strength of windshields on airplanes. The device is a gun >that launches a dead chicken at a plane's windshield at approximately >the speed the plane flies. >The theory is that if the windshield doesn't crack from the carcass >impact, it'll survive a real collision with a bird during flight. > >The British were very interested in this and wanted to test a windshield >on a brand new, speedy locomotive they're developing. They borrowed FAA's >chicken launcher, loaded the chicken and fired. > >The ballistic chicken shattered the windshield, broke the engineer's >chair and embedded itself in the back wall of the engine cab. The >British were stunned and asked the FAA to recheck the test to see if >everything was done correctly. > >The FAA reviewed the test thoroughly and had one recommendation: >"Use a thawed chicken." ======================================== Jerry From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Mon Aug 5 12:53:16 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 16:53:16 +0000 Subject: FW: Chickens Message-ID: Jerry wrote: > > ====================================== > >"In a recent issue of Meat & Poultry magazine, editors quoted from > >Feathers, the publication of the California Poultry Industry Federation, > >The FAA reviewed the test thoroughly and had one recommendation: > >"Use a thawed chicken." > ======================================== > > Jerry No No please god no help me. Please not the chicken gun story ! Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 5 17:16:38 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:16:38 BST Subject: HW: Devon Message-ID: I had to turn boc-l off for a while. Did anyone review the Devon gig? If so could I have a copy? jill PS - Jeremy Dacomb (?correct surname). Could you email me personal-like? I've lost your address and have a request to make. J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk Ta jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 5 17:20:19 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:20:19 BST Subject: HW: Kollektor Kuestion In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Sat, 3 Aug 1996 13:58:34 +0200 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > a few short questions for the kollektors: > > > 1) > what was the original charisma cover for Astounding Sounds Amazing Music? > I've seen both the "Woman with the Radio" and the "Concret Hawk" used as the > front cover on the charisma vinyl. I've never heard of the concrete Hawk being used. Interesting. > 2) > got a list where an "unique compilation with old group photo cover" entitled > "Silver Machine" on the Legend WZ label. This ain't the same as the German > Karusell compilation. Anyone knows anything about this? > (might be the lost (never confirmed) Silver Machine Live boot?) If you can order copies then I'd very much like one. > 3) > same list claims the Doremi album came with a "Space Ritual Folder" in the > very first pressings. is this really true? Hadn't heard of this. > 4) > same for the Hawklords/25 Years On album; "a nice A5 size booklet in the > very first UK pressings". True? Yep. It was a B&w booklet. > > \\joe FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 5 17:25:00 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:25:00 BST Subject: HW: Kollecting Questions In-Reply-To: David Jones's message of Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:53:31 GMT Message-ID: David Jones writes: > I was looking round the market on Friday and one of the record stalls had a > big box full of Hawkwind records on it (about 50 or 60) that he had bought > as a job lot of someone. Mainly 1980's onwards though he did have Doremi > with the poster. > > Also there were two sleeves Ive not seen before one was I think a foreign > version of Roadhawks (?) blue cover with a little picture of the original > sleeve surrounded by an American road scene. (sorry for the description) I don't suppose you got his number or address? I'm still looking for this one... > Other one that caught my eye was one he wanted UKP30 for a double album > Spanish I think, red sleeve maybe a flicknife compilation again crap > description but whats this ? The Victoria album. It is a Flicknife compilation. > > IF anyone wasnts anything desparately I will hopefully be in town again > this Friday so if you let me know I will have alook for you. If you can get the Roadhawks LP for me then hopefully we can set up a trade... > Bye Cheers FoFP From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Mon Aug 5 14:30:40 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 20:30:40 +0200 Subject: Reading 1986 programme Message-ID: Hi folks I am looking for the READING FESTIVAL 1986 programme!! If there is someone who wants to swap it or maybe sell, get in contact please cheers Bernhard From stayer at PI.NET Mon Aug 5 22:15:07 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:15:07 PDT Subject: Astounding Sounds Amazing Music Message-ID: Andy, >But the thing is, I'm not sure if mine is an original or not - I must have >got it in 77 or 78, it has the inner sleeve, but... Inner sleeve? Including lyrics? I got a file of lyrics, but Kadu Flyer (or another song, I don't remember) isn't in it. Jerry From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Aug 5 15:40:34 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 15:40:34 -0400 Subject: HW: Re: Astounding Sounds Amazing Music Message-ID: Jerry >Inner sleeve? Including lyrics? No, it's made up of small advertisements, like you used to get in the pulp magazines, with some of them doctored to give the band credits. My favourite is, inevitably, PAUL RUDOLPH MANLY STRAP-ON (closely followed by DOCTOR BROCK'S ATOMIC PILE PREPARATION). Most of the ASAM lyrics are pretty straightforward, aren't they? (Except I only recently found out it's "Canna-cannabis, cannabinol" in "Reefer Madness".) - Andy From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Aug 5 15:40:57 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 14:40:57 -0500 Subject: HW: Astounding cover Message-ID: The original pressing, from what I've seen, has the headphone girl and the plants, etc. The Griffin CD release, however, uses the red stone logo as the front cover. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 5 17:24:24 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:24:24 -0400 Subject: BOC Sets Message-ID: Rocker 22 writes:Sure it wasn' t the opening act? It was an occasional soundcheck. DF From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Mon Aug 5 20:40:56 1996 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Karl Hiller) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:40:56 -0500 Subject: *sigh* tape trading In-Reply-To: <9608021216.aa15451@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone who responded... I think I have this all figured out now! Karl From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Mon Aug 5 22:49:01 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 21:49:01 -0500 Subject: BOC: Need Aid Message-ID: I need someone to fire off the songs that are on the comp On Flame With Rock 'N' Roll. I'm making a tape for someone in an attempt to convert him to Cultism. He already has this CD, and I don't wanna duplicate anything. Chuck From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Aug 5 23:36:22 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 23:36:22 -0400 Subject: Cluster/Brain Show Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-05 08:21:17 EDT, you write: >Though Pressurehed doesn't have a real drummer, I'd put it at being rockier >than Farflung. Talked to Tommy Grenas the other night and he said Pressurehed is looking for a drummer to tour with. The Brain and Cluster were both great! Although as Scott H. mentioned in an earlier critique of the Boston show, Cluster was very very very LOW volume. I would imagine this is by design since the PA was just fine for The Brain. regards, Bill Stewart From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Tue Aug 6 08:30:21 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 08:30:21 +-100 Subject: Kollektor Kuestion Message-ID: I have the version with woman & radio & the inner sleeve has a lot of spoof Victorian style newspaper advertisements printed on it. Baron Brocks pile ointment etc. Is this originally from this album?? Mike P 1) what was the original charisma cover for Astounding Sounds Amazing Music? I've seen both the "Woman with the Radio" and the "Concret Hawk" used as the front cover on the charisma vinyl -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1422 bytes Desc: not available URL: From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Aug 6 05:03:01 1996 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:03:01 GMT Subject: HW: Kollecting Questions In-Reply-To: <9608051725.aa19239@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> (from M Holmes ) (at Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:25:00 BST) Message-ID: > David Jones writes: > > > I was looking round the market on Friday and one of the record stalls had a > > big box full of Hawkwind records on it... lots of stuff cut thank you for your help with identifying from my terrible descriptions. I will go along on Friday and see if he is there again and has much left. If he still has European copy of Roadhawks in OK condition and not hugely expensive then I will buy it cos a couple of you have said you are interested. I will try and get a list of what he has got with prices and a contact number as well. As far as the autographs go I err on the side of believing them to be OK because I cant imagine anyone bothering to fake Steve Swindells (sorry steve). David From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Tue Aug 6 08:54:40 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:54:40 -0100 Subject: Kris Tait's book Message-ID: When I was at a Hawkwind gig some years ago, I think it was Chronicle of the Black Sword, I bought a book by Kris Tait "This is Hawkwind do not Panic" I think it was in part designed to raise funds for Bob Calvert's family. There is some reference in the book to it being the first of two volumes. Was the second ever published? If so, is it available anywhere. Mike P From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 6 12:43:25 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:43:25 BST Subject: HW: Hawkwind in Record Collector Message-ID: There's some good Hawkwind offers in Record Collector this month - tho' it's probably too late for the bargains which will have been snapped up long ago! However: just in case - Pandora Music, 508 Wickham Road, Brockley, London, SE4 1NZ Tel: 0181 691 8567 (evenings best) has (prices in pounds sterling) 7" Assassins of Allah (Italian vinile + book)** UNP 14.00 7" Lord of Light/Born To Go (German pic sl) VG/EX 8.00 7" Silver Machine/Urban Guerilla (Dutch) M/M 8.00 7" Urban Guerilla/Brainbox Pollution (German pic.sl) EX/M 8.00 7" You'd Better Believe It/Paradox (German pic.sl) G/EX 8.00 LP Church of Hawkwind + book EX/M 15.00 LP Choose Your Masques EX/M 15.00 LP Hawkfan 12 (complete) M/M 90.00 !! 2LP Space Ritual (foldout + inners) EX/M/M 15.00 **NOT the rare Hassan I Sahba! But worth getting for its own sake because of the article that came with it (all in Italian so it needs translation) All good value I'd say (even the Hawkfan 12 - tho' the price tag does not surprise me) except perhaps the grading of G for the cover of You'd Better Believe It. If the Space Ritual album is really in good condition that would be unusual since the inners tend to split easily and the album was invariably played to destruction at parties 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Aug 6 08:13:06 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 08:13:06 -0400 Subject: BOC: Need Aid Message-ID: >I need someone to fire off the songs that are on the comp On >Flame With Rock 'N' Roll. I'm making a tape for someone in an >attempt to convert him to Cultism. He already has this CD, and >I don't wanna duplicate anything. >From the faq: *On Flame With Rock And Roll* (compilation) (Don't Fear) The Reaper [from Agents Of Fortune] Transmaniacon MC [from Blue Oyster Cult] Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll [from Blue Oyster Cult] Kick Out The Jams [from Some Enchanted Evening] R. U. Ready 2 Rock [from Spectres] Career Of Evil [from Secret Treaties] Godzilla [from Spectres] Burnin' For You [from Fire Of Unknown Origin] Dominance And Submission [from Secret Treaties] Death Valley Nights [from Spectres] Notes: Released in 1990. The version of "Career Of Evil" used on this recording was the single, not the album version (Apparently the line, "Do it to your daughter on a dirt road" was considered too controversial -- the vocals were either re-recorded or re-mixed so the line says "Do it like ya oughtta on a dirt road"). Also, this version omits the second verse of the song. Two of the tracks ("Dominance And Submission", "Death Valley Nights") do not appear on the cassette version of this album. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Tue Aug 6 07:04:50 1996 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (CHRISTOPHER ROWAN SHORTALL) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:04:50 +0100 Subject: HELP. Message-ID: COULD SOMEONE REMIND ME OF THE ADDRESS TO SEND AN UNSUBSCRIPTION REQUEST PLEASE I I I ---- 0 ---- I - I -- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Aug 6 08:49:01 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 08:49:01 -0400 Subject: BOC: Need Aid Message-ID: Once again the FAQ proves to be a valuable BOC reference! :-) Out of all the BOC compilations, I think the *On Flame With Rock And Roll* is a rather interesting one, and is a decent thing for the non-BOC fan that wants a cheap CD that will give them a flavor of BOC. Sure, us BOC fans with all the CDs have little use for this disc (unless you want to have a version of "Career of Evil" without the "do it to your daughter" line). But, this CD can now be had in most cut-out bins for about $5, and has the infamous "Big 3" BOC hits, along with "Cities on Flame" and "Dominance and Submission" - 2 of BOC's stronger heavy songs. Not to mention an inclusion of "Death Valley Nights", a great song which shows off some of BOC's softer, yet still heavy side - and an interesting choice in that it was never played live by BOC. I'd recommend *Workshop of the Telescopes* to anyone not minding dropping $20 on BOC if they wanted a more proper intro to BOC, but if *On Flame w/Rock and Roll* can be found, it's a bargain for the uninitiated. John From EPA3WANEP at NTU.AC.UK Tue Aug 6 12:07:53 1996 From: EPA3WANEP at NTU.AC.UK (Phil Wane) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:07:53 +0100 Subject: Kris Tait's book Message-ID: Greetings! I've got a copy of that book - very funny and informative it was too. I seem to remember that Kris was very nice, I met her a few times, and that, yes, there was supposed to be a sequel but I've never seen or heard of one. I think I heard (possibly through Hawkfan in the UK) that one problem was the sheer number of line-up changes, legal problems and general stories, of the period the next book would have covered.... Phil Wane (currently Nottingham, England) From mumford at EUNET.NO Tue Aug 6 12:27:40 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:27:40 +0200 Subject: This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic? Message-ID: Mike Parkington wrote: > > When I was at a Hawkwind gig some years ago, I think it was Chronicle of the Black Sword, I bought a book by Kris Tait "This is Hawkwind do not Panic" I think > Is the first book availible anywhere or is it long out of print and an expensive kollektor's item? Christian From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 6 18:33:38 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:33:38 BST Subject: HW: home and away (Fit the first) Message-ID: Subtitle: Sublime and ridiculous It all started when.... well I guess it didn't start, it's always been going but the announcement read 30,000 see Hawkwind at Festival in Germany. Jeez, and I missed it 8-( - so what can the Great British Festival scene do I wondered. Read on gentle reader. Taxi, taxi - I cried. How much from here to Langtree? He looked at me, looked at the bag, quoted a price more or less in line with what I'd expected but in the tone of someone who hopes it's going to be refused out of hand. I agreed it and his face took on a faintly doomed expression as I heaved the bag into the back and sat down. "Langtree?" he asked faintly. "Yep - well Stibbs Cross I suppose - it's about a mile south of Langtree". "Ah Stibbs Cross" he said with the air of One Who Knows. I was sortof impressed he'd heard of the place it being a smallish dot in the midst of not very much else in the acreage that comprises Devon and sat back. The countryside rolled past. Village signs appeared and vanished with dramatic leaps as the car swerved round impossible bends Fairy Cross, Priory Cross, Parson's Cross, Another Cross, but no Stibbs Cross and by now I Was Getting Cross. Fairy Cross appeared again "this is the one you want?" muttered the driver - I noticed a sheen of sweat appearing on his brow. "No, Stibbs Cross". I worried a bit and dragged out my trusty OS with a grid down to the last 1000th of a meter and stared hard at it around the Langtree area. Not one single village we had just passed through could I find - I searched further afield. Nothing. I panicked - where in heck were we??? Timewarp, other universe, the world outside looked real but who could tell??? "I can't find them" I admitted finally. The driver peered at me as if this was no surprise. "Ah, but I have a map" he announced. A huge, vast expanse of "The Whole of the British Isles on One Page" presented itself before me. I despaired. I surrendered. I admitted defeat. "And where are we?" I asked plaintively. He stuck a finger out and pointed at a place somewhere deep down the western side of Devon. "There" he said triumphantly. I looked for Langtree - surprisingly it showed it - not surprisingly it was not where his finger was. "But I need to go there" I said. There was a long silence. "Ah well" he said "then all we have to do is go this way" tracing a long diagonal through several improbably small roads "and we'll get straight there". Devon is one long tunnel of tall hedgerows punctuated by farm gates at the top of impressively steep hills. The scenery, when you see it, is stunning but I still have no idea how we arrived. Stibbs Cross appeared and took us both by surprise - not least because there was nothing there. "Now where?" he asked (to his eternal credit he had turned off the meter about an hour ago or the price would have been in hundreds of pounds by now). Hell, how did I know? "Right" I hazarded but even as we turned I caught a flicker of colour. "Stop, Stop" I cried. He screeched to a halt - with the expression of someone who wished he hadn't bothered start today at all. "I saw something" insisting he turn the car round and go back. A small fluorescent poster gleamed from a signpost. "Summer Daze" it announced. The grey skies which had threatened rain throughout the whole journey loomed darker and lower. "This is what you're looking for?" he twitched his hands nervously on the wheel and stared towards the safety of the road home. I was horribly afraid he was going to take it any minute now. "Yes, yes, down here". I was in charge, we *would* get to the festival.... would we? To be contd.... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Aug 6 16:13:26 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:13:26 -0400 Subject: HW: home and away (Fit the first) Message-ID: This sounds like an interesting story. I love Devon. Ah to be in England in the Summertime ....... Martyn (looking forward to the next installment) From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Tue Aug 6 19:02:48 1996 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:02:48 -0500 Subject: Life On Mars..? (I'm not making this up, honestly...) (off topic) Message-ID: Sorry for the off-topic subject folks, but thought everyone might find this interesting. BEGIN INCLUDED MESSAGE: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Donald Savage Headquarters, Washington, DC August 6, 1996 James Hartsfield Johnson Space Center, Houston, TX David F. Salisbury Stanford University, CA NOTE TO EDITORS: N96-53 NASA BRIEFING WEDNESDAY ON DISCOVERY OF POSSIBLE EARLY MARTIAN LIFE A team of NASA and Stanford scientists will discuss its findings showing strong circumstantial evidence of possible early Martian life, including microfossil remains found in a Martian meteorite, at a news conference scheduled for 1:00 p.m. EDT, August 7, at NASA Headquarters, 300 E. St. SW, Washington, DC. The team's findings will be published in the August 16 issue of Science magazine. Panelists will be: - Dr. Wesley Huntress, Jr., NASA Assoc. Administrator for Space Science, Washington, DC - Dr. David McKay, principal author, NASA Johnson Space Center (JSC), Houston, TX - Dr. Everett Gibson, NASA JSC, Houston, TX - Dr. Richard N. Zare, Professor of Chemistry, Stanford University, CA - Kathy Thomas-Keprta, Lockheed-Martin, JSC, Houston, TX - Dr. William Schopf, Professor, Department of Earth and Space Sciences, Univ. of California, Los Angeles The briefing will be carried live on NASA TV with two- way question-and-answer capability for reporters covering the event from participating NASA centers. Audio of the broadcast will be available on voice circuit at the Kennedy Space Center by calling 407/867-1260. NASA Television is broadcast on Spacenet 2, transponder 5, channel 9, C-Band, located at 69 degrees West longitude, with horizontal polarization. Frequency will be on 3880.0 megahertz, with audio on 6.8 megahertz. - end - STATEMENT FROM DANIEL S. GOLDIN, NASA ADMINISTRATOR "NASA has made a startling discovery that points to the possibility that a primitive form of microscopic life may have existed on Mars more than three billion years ago. The research is based on a sophisticated examination of an ancient Martian meteorite that landed on Earth some 13,000 years ago. The evidence is exciting, even compelling, but not conclusive. It is a discovery that demands further scientific investigation. NASA is ready to assist the process of rigorous scientific investigation and lively scientific debate that will follow this discovery. I want everyone to understand that we are not talking about 'little green men.' These are extremely small, single- cell structures that somewhat resemble bacteria on Earth. There is no evidence or suggestion that any higher life form ever existed on Mars. The NASA scientists and researchers who made this discovery will be available at a news conference tomorrow to discuss their findings. They will outline the step-by-step "detective story" that explains how the meteorite arrived here from Mars, and how they set about looking for evidence of long-ago life in this ancient rock. They will also release some fascinating images documenting their research. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 7 00:23:22 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 00:23:22 BST Subject: HW: home and away (Final Fit) Message-ID: Subtitle: The Hunting of the Site "Stop, stop" I had cried, forcing the driver to venture down a road so narrow and twisting that the car nearly had to bend double to take the corners. Further down and further in we crept, the sky growing darker the hedges higher, the hills steeper, the last glimmer of the yellow poster fading into the dusk behind us. "Are you sure?" the driver hunched himself over the driving wheel and we both peered nervously into the gloom - at any minute I expected to see the Four Motorbike Riders of the Apocalypse appear in front of us around the bend just ahead ('Good Omens', Pratchett and Gaiman) but didn't mention this - I got the impression he wouldn't have Understood. A road turned off to the left. "Down here" I said, "there's a map on the back of the ticket - see - it's quite clear, we go this way". His eyes flicked anxiously at the blood red ticket I held towards him. Clearly so far as he was concerned he was heading for eternal entrapment - lost forever in a maze of unmarked Devon roads and doomed to become the eternal wandering taxi driver with the meter turned off, hag-ridden by a manic Hawkwind fan who drove him ever onwards, deeper and deeper into the countryside with a cry of "there must be a Hawkwind gig down here somewhere". This was his darkest hour for at that moment we both saw the flicker of another yellow glow. He screeched to a halt and we read "Private. No Entry". "This is it!" he announced. I looked at him in horror "No - it says No Entry" I cried, "it has to be further on - please...." It was a Good Thing that we had by now gone round so many bends that we were heading back the way we'd come - the scent of home was in his head, his mind was filled with visions of escape, even if it meant taking me back with him. We continued down until we found "Car Park". "Here?" he asked hopefully. "No, no. This is the Car Park" - onwards to "Entrance". My bag was out of the car within milliseconds and I found myself standing beside it equally as fast paying him the fare and emptying the contents of my purse into his hands by way of compensation - he had done everything he could possibly do under the circumstances I guess - but I have never seen a taxi leave the scene quite so fast! Paradise Regained: No problems about camping - the field was almost empty. No problems about food either - there was none. But I'd anticipated that and after a solid sandwich or two set off to see if the PH on my ever-so- dependable-OS-accurate-to-the-last-1000th-of-a-meter map meant what I thought it meant. It did. The Green Dragon at Langtree sits at the top of a hill and is a fine pub - once you get up there. Pool table, jukebox, bar full of local folk. Every head turned to watch me come in - you could almost touch the curiosity "I Spy Strangers" but Devon folk are nice people - if you talk they'll chat and if you want to sit quiet you can do that too so I got a half pint of the local brew and sat in a quiet corner to enjoy the atmosphere. Strange thing about Devon beer tho' no matter what kind it is, it always goes flat as soon as it touches the glass. Good taste though. The occasional drift of conversation came my way: FIRST MAN AT THE BAR (to his friend): Y' goin to Zummer Daze tomorrow? SECOND MAN AT THE BAR: Dunno, I moit. Depends what I'm doin. 'Awkwind playing innit? What koind of music do they do? FIRST MAN: Not zhure now - Zilver Machine, you remember that? Long time ago that one. SECOND MAN: Oh yeah - bet they won't be playing that one. A terrible desire rushed over me to stand up and cry evangelically "You should go, you should go, don't miss this - it'll be terrific". I stood up...... but didn't of course. I got another pint of flat Devon fine-tasting ale and sat down again. Cowardice I guess. I rescued a couple of lost car drivers on the way back so it wasn't entirely a wasted journey. It rained overnight but the sun shone Saturday. Two bands didn't turn up - the blues player got an extra half hour on stage and most people enjoyed the rave stages in the next field. Jeremy and Mike Wright appeared and a friend from Edinburgh and we stood by the backstage gate for a while. Dave Brock emerged - which was nice and he chatted to some folk - obviously friends. Captain Rizz played - rather more rock and less reggae than I'd expected and finally Hawkwind, as the sun set and the sky turned from pale grey into nightfall. Welcome to Utopia: It was excellent. It was a huge stage and the sound system was astonishingly clear for the vocals. The lightshow was perfect for the open air setting and transformed the place. It was, I regret to say, only a small crowd, I dunno - maybe 500? But Hawkwind won a lot of friends - probably new friends that evening. From all around I heard "Hey, this is good, I can see what you were talking about - this is excellent". I only hope the band don't feel disillusioned about playing to 30,000 abroad and a mere 500 in a field where the cows had been moved out only a day or so before (you could tell) back home. They really impressed everyone around me anyhow and I don't think anyone regretted their journey. I certainly didn't. The track list was probably the same as Germany - I didn't take a careful note unfortunately - it slowed down a bit around Vega/Love In Space/Kapal section (I think!) but Aerospaceage Inferno and Silver Machine are a great way to finish up. There was a long encore and they finished with just ten minutes to spare before the Council imposed their curfew. Definitely worth it. The journey out is another story for another time in another place on another day...... but if you are ever in North Devon and you see a taxi driver race away from you when you speak the name of "Langtree" - you'll know why! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Aug 6 20:02:44 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 19:02:44 -0500 Subject: Life On Mars..? (I'm not making this up, honestly...) (off topic) In-Reply-To: <9608062302.AA22164@crux.astr.ua.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Bryan Irby quoted: > "NASA has made a startling discovery that points to the > possibility that a primitive form of microscopic life may > have existed on Mars more than three billion years ago. The > research is based on a sophisticated examination of an ancient > Martian meteorite that landed on Earth some 13,000 years ago. Um, scuse me for asking, but how does a piece of Mars remove itself from the planet and hurl itself into space toward Earth? Of course, I could just be overlooking an obvious explanation. My brain seems to be working in short bursts today. :) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Aug 6 20:39:23 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:39:23 -0400 Subject: Life On Mars..? (I'm not making this up, honestly...) (off topic) Message-ID: Damon asks >Um, scuse me for asking, but how does a piece of Mars remove itself from >the planet and hurl itself into space toward Earth? Sodding great meteorite hits Mars, bits fly everywhere, end up all over the oche. Simple as that! ObHW: "Looking for life to stamp out" - Andy From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Aug 6 23:00:07 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 22:00:07 -0500 Subject: Life On Mars..? (I'm not making this up, honestly...) (off topic) In-Reply-To: <960806203923_254320124@emout18.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Andy Gilham wrote: > Damon asks > >Um, scuse me for asking, but how does a piece of Mars remove itself from > >the planet and hurl itself into space toward Earth? > Sodding great meteorite hits Mars, bits fly everywhere, end up all over the > oche. Simple as that! That's what I figured. Now, I have a few more questions, then. Yes, I'm being very skeptical, but then again I'm not an astrogeologist. 1) Someone finds a meteorite. I'll accept a scientist's ability to tell a meteorite from some other rock. "Look, a big hole in the ground! And a rock right in the middle of it! [scratches chin]" But then another scientist must've looked at it and said, "Oh, it must come from Mars. *Everything* comes from Mars." Seriously, though, of all the places this rock could've come from, how in the world does a person figure it out exactly? 2) Possible answer: chemical makeup. OK. The rocks on Mars are (I could be wrong on this) about 95% iron oxide and 5% other stuff, right? Well, most asteroids are made of the same stuff, except it's iron instead of iron oxide. Well, when a big chunk of iron sits in the great outdoors (or indoors, for that matter) for 100,000 years (is that the figure?), it tends to, um, oxidize. And meanwhile, couldn't bacteria have grown on the rock sometime between now and then? Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Aug 6 23:43:32 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:43:32 -0400 Subject: Life On Mars..? In-Reply-To: from "Le Monsieur" at Aug 6, 96 10:00:07 pm Message-ID: Damon ponders.... > > 1) Someone finds a meteorite. I'll accept a scientist's ability to tell > a meteorite from some other rock. "Look, a big hole in the ground! And > a rock right in the middle of it! [scratches chin]" But then another > scientist must've looked at it and said, "Oh, it must come from Mars. > *Everything* comes from Mars." Seriously, though, of all the places this > rock could've come from, how in the world does a person figure it out > exactly? > > 2) Possible answer: chemical makeup. OK. The rocks on Mars are (I > could be wrong on this) about 95% iron oxide and 5% other stuff, right? > Well, most asteroids are made of the same stuff, except it's iron instead > of iron oxide. Well, when a big chunk of iron sits in the great outdoors > (or indoors, for that matter) for 100,000 years (is that the figure?), it > tends to, um, oxidize. And meanwhile, couldn't bacteria have grown on > the rock sometime between now and then? Chemical makeup is right on. I just attended this past spring a lecture given by astronaut/geologist Harrison Schmitt (the last person to walk on the moon, or I should say the 'most recent'). Anyway, his talk was more about asteroids and meteorites and what we can learn about the solar system from them. BTW, metallic meteorites and 'stony' meteorites are both common. And each planet has a very, very, very characteristic fingerprint of the composition of 'trace' elements (unusual things like Rhenium, Thallium, Osmium, Iridium most likely).....so characteristic that it is absolutely impossible to get it wrong. I can't remember exactly how they knew what that planetary signature was beforehand (it was something pretty ingenious), but once they were able to pin down what Mars' signature is, identifying meteorites on Earth as originating from Mars is cake now. And these days, 90% (or probably more) of meteorites are found in Antarctica. Obviously, it's really easy to spot one sitting in a zillion square miles of ice (well it's easy to spot just about anything, and sometimes even things that aren't there :) ), and there are regions of Antarctica (called 'blue ice' zones) where heavy ablation concentrates foreign matter. Some of my colleagues (and one of my committee members) make it a general practice to go hunting for meteorites on 'bad weather days' when it's impossible to do any other work. There are like 7 or 8 thousand Antarctic meteorites now catalogued, and less than 10 thousand total discovered I believe. They now have enough to have a statistically viable sample (not biased according to ease of finding on land (dirt)), such that we don't really need any more in order to learn about the bulk composition of the proto-solar system, etc. But there are some very rare types (can't remember exactly what they were called) that are odd and difficult to explain. Plus the 6 or 7 (?) that have been identified as "martian". I don't know about the bacteria issue...there is certainly some bacteria/life in Antarctica, although buried in the ice there's probably very little. But I wouldn't count this out as a contamination problem. But I assume (or would hope) that these researchers have some clue that these organic molecules come from deep enough within the crystalline structure as to be authentic. We'll have to wait and see. Interesting news....hope it's not another cold fusion. :) Keith H. (FAA) From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Aug 7 01:37:18 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 00:37:18 -0500 Subject: BOC: Need Aid Message-ID: On 6-AUG-1996 08:53:45.0 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Once again the FAQ proves to be a valuable BOC reference! :-) I know, John, and I knew you'd be annoyed by my request. (G) I swore I'd printed out the FAQ long ago (I know I did 'cause I helped edit it) but couldn't find it anywhere and didn't know how to find it on the Web or wherever it is... >Out of all the BOC compilations, I think the *On Flame With Rock And >Roll* is a rather interesting one, and is a decent thing for the >non-BOC fan that wants a cheap CD that will give them a flavor of >BOC. Sure, us BOC fans with all the CDs have little use for this >disc (unless you want to have a version of "Career of Evil" without >the "do it to your daughter" line). Once again, I'll remind that the whole vocal track is different -- same lyrics besides daughter/oughtta, but different performance... >John Thanks. Chuck `[1;36;47mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Aug 7 02:52:19 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:52:19 -0500 Subject: Life On Mars..? (I'm not making this up, (fwd) Message-ID: I think Kevin meant this to be sent to the entire list, so here goes: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:46:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin Haskel Rubin To: dcapehar at utdallas.edu Subject: Re: Life On Mars..? (I'm not making this up, (fwd) I think they identify it by teh fingerprints left by the little green men on Mars who threw it at another little green man who hit it with a big stick so hard it flew to the Earth. -kevin, okay, so I'm not an astronomer or biologist... -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I gnome at teleport.com "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." http://www.teleport.com/~gnome -P.K. Dick From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Aug 7 03:10:32 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 02:10:32 -0500 Subject: Life On Mars..? In-Reply-To: <199608070343.XAA09806@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Keith A Henderson wrote: > And each planet has a very, very, very characteristic fingerprint of the > composition of 'trace' elements (unusual things like Rhenium, Thallium, Osmium, > Iridium most likely).....so characteristic that it is absolutely impossible to > get it wrong. I can't remember exactly how they knew what that planetary > signature was beforehand (it was something pretty ingenious), but once they > were able to pin down what Mars' signature is, identifying meteorites on Earth > as originating from Mars is cake now. I would guess they figured it out from a combination of data from the Viking(s?) and from radiospectroscopy info from a) the orbital sections of the Vikings (did they have any instruments besides a big-arse transmitter?) and/or b) from Earth satellites such as Hubble. > Obviously, it's really easy to spot one sitting in a zillion square > miles of ice (well it's easy to spot just about anything, and sometimes > even things that aren't there :) ), Anybody remember "The Thing"? :) > I don't know about the bacteria issue...there is certainly some > bacteria/life in Antarctica, although buried in the ice there's > probably very little. But I wouldn't count this out as a contamination > problem. Then again, Antarctica was most likely not frozen a few million years ago, as 1) the world was a bit warmer and 2) Antarctica was not, um, antarctic. Of course, one could also assume that these meteorites buried in the ice must have actually landed in pre-existing ice. Otherwise they'd be buried under the ice and the land underneath that, in which case the scientists probably wouldn't have found them in the first place. :) Anyway, Keith, thank you for alleviating much of my skepticism. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Wed Aug 7 08:29:57 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:29:57 +-100 Subject: This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic? Message-ID: Christian I have no idea if it is still available anywhere. If it is I suggest that you get a copy as it is not only interesting but very funny. There is one particular section of the book where one of the band members (I forget who) describes the time that they discovered Lemmy out cold and totally rigid on a bed, they thought he was dead. They were then told that this was not at all unusual and that he was perfectly OK it was just the effect of the combination of various drugs he had ingested. in fact, most of the sections about Lemmy are amusing in one way or another. Well worth a read, perhaps somebody else can help? ---------- From: Christian Mumford[SMTP:mumford at EUNET.NO] Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 1996 05:27 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic? Mike Parkington wrote: > > When I was at a Hawkwind gig some years ago, I think it was Chronicle of the Black Sword, I bought a book by Kris Tait "This is Hawkwind do not Panic" I think > Is the first book availible anywhere or is it long out of print and an expensive kollektor's item? Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Great live cosmic freak-out apparantly inspired by a bottle of 7UP spiked with acid, it is divided into two very long tracks; "Space" and "Time"..... Christian From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Wed Aug 7 04:15:33 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:15:33 +0100 Subject: Life On Mars..? Message-ID: Keith A Henderson wrote: > Chemical makeup is right on. I just attended this past spring a lecture given > by astronaut/geologist Harrison Schmitt (the last person to walk on the moon, > or I should say the 'most recent'). Anyway, his talk was more about asteroids > and meteorites and what we can learn about the solar system from them. < interesting space stuff snipped > > I don't know about the bacteria issue...there is certainly some bacteria/life > in Antarctica, although buried in the ice there's probably very little. But I > wouldn't count this out as a contamination problem. But I assume (or would > hope) that these researchers have some clue that these organic molecules come > from deep enough within the crystalline structure as to be authentic. We'll > have to wait and see. Well from my semi-awake listening to the radio this a.m. I think it works like this... The meteorite hits Antarctica N years ago. The fossils of the primitive lifeforms are greater than N years old so they must've been in the meteorite when it landed. It probably didn't stop off on the way so the lifeforms come from Mars. Easy - anyone can do this astro-geology lark:-) Of course if Fred Hoyle is right in his thories of the creation of life as we know it, then the lifeforms could've come from elsewhere, landed on Mars in a meteorite incident but were bounced from the Martian surface to Earth by yet another meteorite. A sort of cosmic pool game! Chris From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Wed Aug 7 09:19:12 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:19:12 U Subject: OFF:BornTBW cover Message-ID: >I know of another version of Born To Be Wild: >Zodiac Mindwarp and the Love Reaction (a rather good version, I might add) Splendid! What's it on? Cheers, Rich. ** From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 7 10:01:47 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:01:47 BST Subject: Life On Mars..? In-Reply-To: Chris Bates's message of Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:15:33 +0100 Message-ID: Chris Bates writes: > Well from my semi-awake listening to the radio this a.m. I think it > works like this... > > The meteorite hits Antarctica N years ago. The fossils of the primitive > lifeforms are greater than N years old so they must've been in the > meteorite when it landed. It probably didn't stop off on the way so the > lifeforms come from Mars. > > Easy - anyone can do this astro-geology lark:-) > Curious, though, how this whole subject suddenly arose so soon after there's been a conference to discuss the whole issue of when and how to get a manned or unmanned craft to Mars and back and (probably) where the funding would come from. I understand that the current odds of a manned Mars expedition before the end of this millenium were (a few weeks ago) standing at 50:1. Quick flutter anyone? Yrs with a certain touch of cynicism.... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 7 11:25:20 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:25:20 BST Subject: Life On Mars..? In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:01:47 BST Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > Chris Bates writes: > > > Well from my semi-awake listening to the radio this a.m. I think it > > works like this... > > > > The meteorite hits Antarctica N years ago. The fossils of the primitive > > lifeforms are greater than N years old so they must've been in the > > meteorite when it landed. It probably didn't stop off on the way so the > > lifeforms come from Mars. > > > > Easy - anyone can do this astro-geology lark:-) > > > > Curious, though, how this whole subject suddenly arose so soon after > there's been a conference to discuss the whole issue of when and how to > get a manned or unmanned craft to Mars and back and (probably) where the > funding would come from. I understand that the current odds of a > manned Mars expedition before the end of this millenium were (a few weeks > ago) standing at 50:1. Quick flutter anyone? Those are pretty ungenerous odds. Nobody is even close to building a system capable of a Mars flight at the moment. I doubt that even with shitloads of money and all the political will in the world that anyone could put together a launch in this millenium. FoFP From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Wed Aug 7 07:31:40 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:31:40 +0000 Subject: Life On Mars..? Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > > J Strobridge writes: > > ago) standing at 50:1. Quick flutter anyone? > > Those are pretty ungenerous odds. Nobody is even close to building a > system capable of a Mars flight at the moment. I doubt that even with > shitloads of money and all the political will in the world that anyone > could put together a launch in this millenium. > Oh you of little faith. Timber wind any-one ? Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Aug 7 05:57:49 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:57:49 +0100 Subject: Life On Mars..? (I'm not making this up, honestly...) (off topic) In-Reply-To: <9608062302.AA22164@crux.astr.ua.edu> Message-ID: > The evidence is exciting, even compelling, but not > conclusive. It is a discovery that demands further > scientific investigation. NASA is ready to assist the > process of rigorous scientific investigation and lively > scientific debate that will follow this discovery. Translation: "Give us more money!" Cynically, Dave From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Aug 7 07:39:36 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:39:36 +0100 Subject: OFF: Motorhead remasters... In-Reply-To: <199608050135.VAA21707@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith A Henderson" at Aug 4, 96 09:35:18 pm Message-ID: >Have just discovered that all of the early MH albums have now been re-released >on CD in a remastered format, apparently with generous serving of bonus tracks. >Anybody got any of these yet??? Where/by whom were they released?? Haven't heard about this! But I was holding off on buying most of the old albums in case it happened! ;) Haven't seen them in the UK, though I'll take a look while I'm down in London. Speaking of which, I'm nomailing for a bit as Tania and I head out to Oxfordshire for the Cropredy Folk Fest (by way of London to plague Andy a bit and re-inflict the Leonard Nimoy "Bilbo" song on him ;) so I'll be back on my regularly scheduled boc-l sometime next week! > Keith H. (FAA) > 'Born to lose' Carl 'Live to Win' ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Aug 7 08:34:26 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:34:26 -0400 Subject: BOC: Need Aid Message-ID: >I know, John, and I knew you'd be annoyed by my request. (G) Not annoyed at all - besides, somebody else dug the info out of the FAQ for ya... Regarding "On Flame With Rock and Roll" >Once again, I'll remind that the whole vocal track is different -- same lyrics besides daughter/oughtta, but different performance... Yeah, I'll give you that, but probably (IMHO) not needed for one's collection (unless your somewhat of a fanatic like me) -- the "Secret Treaties" version is better anyway, with the proper lyrics, and the "On Flame" version also omits the second verse ("Pay me - I'll be your surgeon - I'd like to pick your brain..."). But it is a different version than the original, and therefore of interest to some. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Aug 7 08:37:41 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:37:41 -0400 Subject: Life On Mars..? Message-ID: So, all this talk of Mars and Antarctica ... when do we tie in this with Imaginos ("Beneath the Polar Mountain") and (of course!) HP Lovecraft (At the Mountains of Madness) . . . So, Imaginos came from Mars on a meteor that crashed in Antarctica? ;-) John From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Aug 7 08:47:07 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 13:47:07 +0100 Subject: Life On Mars..? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 07 Aug 1996 08:37:41 EDT." <199608071237.IAA02716@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > So, all this talk of Mars and Antarctica ... when do we tie in this with > Imaginos ("Beneath the Polar Mountain") and (of course!) HP Lovecraft (At > the Mountains of Madness) . . . So, Imaginos came from Mars on a meteor > that crashed in Antarctica? ;-) Nah. Although _The Blob_ was on TV a couple of nights ago - I just hope that in all this analysis thats been done, they didn't let the rock thaw out... Tim From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Wed Aug 7 09:09:30 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:09:30 +0100 Subject: Life On Mars..? Message-ID: FoFP wrote: > J Strobridge writes: > > funding would come from. I understand that the current odds of a > > manned Mars expedition before the end of this millenium were (a few weeks > > ago) standing at 50:1. Quick flutter anyone? > > Those are pretty ungenerous odds. Nobody is even close to building a > system capable of a Mars flight at the moment. I doubt that even with > shitloads of money and all the political will in the world that anyone > could put together a launch in this millenium. I thought that the Americans were channelling their resources into the space station. If you want to go to Mars then you'll have a massive payload which would be far easier to launch from space. Simply take it up in a series of smaller loads. So we won't (IMHO) see a Mars-mission until after the space-station has been properly established. >From NASAs point of view it's well worth reminding the politicians that space isn't all *Independance Day* though. Especially in an election year! Chris From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Aug 7 10:50:00 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:50:00 -0500 Subject: Life On Mars..? In-Reply-To: <199608070815.JAA17529@neptune.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Chris Bates wrote: > The meteorite hits Antarctica N years ago. The fossils of the primitive > lifeforms are greater than N years old so they must've been in the > meteorite when it landed. It probably didn't stop off on the way so the > lifeforms come from Mars. Well, that's assuming they were using dating techniques that work. [Hmmm, maybe *I* should start using dating techniques that work... :) ] Seriously, though, C-14 dating is only accurate to something in 5 digits. (20 or 30,000, is it?) And even if they did try and isotopically date it with something more accurate, they are making a HUGE-ass umption: that the isotopic ratio in Mars' atmosphere is comparable to Earth's. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Aug 7 10:50:05 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:50:05 -0400 Subject: Life On Mars..? In-Reply-To: from "Le Monsieur" at Aug 7, 96 02:10:32 am Message-ID: Damon suggests.... > > > I don't know about the bacteria issue...there is certainly some > > bacteria/life in Antarctica, although buried in the ice there's > > probably very little. But I wouldn't count this out as a contamination > > problem. > > Then again, Antarctica was most likely not frozen a few million years > ago, as 1) the world was a bit warmer and 2) Antarctica was not, um, > antarctic. Exactly *how* many million years?? Current belief here (Byrd Polar) is that the ice sheet has been roughly nearly constant in size/thickness for perhaps 2.5 million years, and began to form somewhere around 30 million years ago. In between, there were perhaps numerous partial deglaciations of a significant degree, but no evidence to suggest Antarctica became completely ice free. Other research groups (namely URI and Maine) argue that Antarctica is very stable, and has existed in near its present form since the Miocene. Interestingly though, land ice is a very rare occurrence when you look at the entire history of the Earth....all 4.5 billion years of it. I don't know exactly what the percentage of time is that experienced ice sheet development, but it has to be less than, say, 5% of the time. So, the issue of anthropogenic global warming seems pretty odd when you look at the really big picture. Coal swamps in Antarctica in the Cretaceous period is a little hard to imagine (and Antarctica was only a *little* bit farther north then). So this is *still* an ice age in reality, just not in Ohio anymore... :) > Of course, one could also assume that these meteorites buried > in the ice must have actually landed in pre-existing ice. Otherwise > they'd be buried under the ice and the land underneath that, in which > case the scientists probably wouldn't have found them in the first place. > :) Not sure exactly what point you're making here...but if it was believed to have landed 100,000 years ago (I saw that date here, dunno if it's true), it certainly landed on ice. And if it became entrained in the ice cap, it would not likely ever make it's way into the subglacial till, unless the ice cap melted, or the meteorite had already travelled all the way to the margin...(ice caps flow downhill just like any other 'fluid' medium). And as I mentioned before, there are those places, mainly in the region of the Trans-Antarctic Mountains, where nunataks and ice-buried mountains create an 'ice-upwelling' zone, where a shear surface is created and old, deep Antarctic ice is brought to the surface, along with a whole bunch of debris, some from the underlying bed, along with more than a few meteorites. Pictures of these from the air are interesting....these areas are sometimes 'dirty' enough that they're called supraglacial moraines. So anyway, it would actually be possible (I think) for a meteorite that landed on the land surface of Antarctica, to then be overridden by ice, and then brought to the surface in this manner....it just wouldn't likely have happened in the last 3 million years. And the lifetime of ice in Antarctica is (in a practical sense) probably only a few hundred thousand years, with the exception of a few rare remnants pasted against the sides of mountains here and there. Keith H. (FAA) P.S. And no, if all the world's land ice melted, sea level would not rise so much as to flood most of the land...it would rise approximately 80 meters. So Kevin Costner would not need to grow gills... From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 7 17:15:08 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:15:08 BST Subject: HW: Re: Life On Mars..? In-Reply-To: Keith A Henderson's message of Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:50:05 -0400 Message-ID: > I don't know about the bacteria issue...there is certainly some > bacteria/life in Antarctica, although buried in the ice there's > probably very little. But I wouldn't count this out as a contamination > problem. Heh! I can suddenly bring this on topic - dubiously.... I've just remembered Nik Turner's 'Martian Disco Stomp' "You shovel it in at the front. You sh*t it out at the rear. Is there any life on Mars?". Clearly a secret code to warn us about Martian bacteria that the Govt. scientists were obviously keeping quiet about at the time 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 7 17:42:38 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:42:38 BST Subject: Life On Mars..? In-Reply-To: Le Monsieur's message of Wed, 7 Aug 1996 09:50:00 -0500 Message-ID: Le Monsieur writes: > On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Chris Bates wrote: > > The meteorite hits Antarctica N years ago. The fossils of the primitive > > lifeforms are greater than N years old so they must've been in the > > meteorite when it landed. It probably didn't stop off on the way so the > > lifeforms come from Mars. > > Well, that's assuming they were using dating techniques that work. > [Hmmm, maybe *I* should start using dating techniques that work... :) ] > > Seriously, though, C-14 dating is only accurate to something in 5 > digits. (20 or 30,000, is it?) And even if they did try and > isotopically date it with something more accurate, they are making a > HUGE-ass umption: that the isotopic ratio in Mars' atmosphere is > comparable to Earth's. Couldn't they have dated it by the layer of the pack ice they found it in? FoFP From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 7 17:48:08 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:48:08 BST Subject: OFF: Re: Life On Mars..? In-Reply-To: Keith A Henderson's message of Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:50:05 -0400 Message-ID: Keith A Henderson writes: > Interestingly though, land ice is a very rare occurrence when you look at the > entire history of the Earth....all 4.5 billion years of it. I don't know > exactly what the percentage of time is that experienced ice sheet development, > but it has to be less than, say, 5% of the time. So, the issue of yeah - I've heard something similar (as below) > anthropogenic global warming seems pretty odd when you look at the really big > picture. Coal swamps in Antarctica in the Cretaceous period is a little hard > to imagine (and Antarctica was only a *little* bit farther north then). So > this is *still* an ice age in reality, just not in Ohio anymore... :) > mmmm - As I recall, one of the current theories is that most of the really cold periods were not necessarily represented by ice advance. An increase in the expanse of glaciers could (I'm not sure that 'would' is the correct word here) be caused by a considerable increase in precipitation (read: snow) but during the periods of massively low global temperatures large areas of continental landmass may have simply been very, cold waterless tundra deserts, although where the water was actually locked up I've no idea. I think the theories go along the lines that glacial advance occupied only a small part of a true "Ice Age". In fact, if I remember correctly, the global maximum temperature of this most recent period (whatever its name happens to be - hanged if I can remember) occurred around 10,000 years ago (c.8,000BC) right at the end of a glacial advance while the last icesheets were still barely retreating from the Scottish Highlands and temperatures have, apparently, been falling ever since. > P.S. And no, if all the world's land ice melted, sea level would not rise so > much as to flood most of the land...it would rise approximately 80 meters. So > Kevin Costner would not need to grow gills... But the politicians would still have to move out of the Houses of Parliament 8-) Actually the New Scientist has good news here - apparently the people that measure the rate of the rise of sea level have been getting their figures wrong. It's done by satellite and they made a compensation for satellite drift the wrong way which doubled their figures. So instead of sea level currently rising at 4mm a year it's probably only 1-3mm Doesn't that make you feel safer! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Aug 7 05:25:13 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:25:13 +0100 Subject: Life On Mars..? (I'm not making this up, honestly...) (off topic) In-Reply-To: <960806203923_254320124@emout18.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In message <960806203923_254320124 at emout18.mail.aol.com>, Andy Gilham writes >ObHW: "Looking for life to stamp out" > >- Andy Yes, I had to play Uncle Sam's On Mars to my wife, straight after the news yesterday. "Of course, The Hawks predicted all this years ago..." "Oh really, Jon" "Yes" says I " I'll just play this song (very loud) shall I?" -- Jon Browne From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Aug 7 13:05:55 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 13:05:55 -0400 Subject: HW: Re: Life On Mars..? Message-ID: >Heh! I can suddenly bring this on topic - dubiously.... I've just >remembered Nik Turner's 'Martian Disco Stomp' "You shovel it in at the >front. You sh*t it out at the rear. Is there any life on Mars?". Sorry to be really pedantic but I thought the last line was "Is there any life out there?". Then again the only version that I have seen is the one on the video (the name of which escapes me). Are there any other versions? Martian White ;-) From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Aug 7 13:18:19 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 13:18:19 -0400 Subject: Jeepster Message-ID: While rummaging through someone elses CD collection, I came across a greatest hits compilation for T.rex. Nostalgia trip. Anyone remember "Metal Guru", or "Ride a White Swan". I've always wanted to know what a Jeepster is? ;-) To bring this on topic, I vaguely remember there being a connection between Marc Bolan and HW. Anyone? Martyn From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 7 18:21:13 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:21:13 BST Subject: HW: Re: Life On Mars..? In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Wed, 7 Aug 1996 13:05:55 -0400 Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > >Heh! I can suddenly bring this on topic - dubiously.... I've just > >remembered Nik Turner's 'Martian Disco Stomp' "You shovel it in at the > >front. You sh*t it out at the rear. Is there any life on Mars?". > > Sorry to be really pedantic but I thought the last line > was "Is there any life out there?". ah - you may, on reflection, be correct! I admit it's not a lyric I've ever paid much attention to. > Then again the only version that I have seen is the one > on the video (the name of which escapes me). Are there any other > versions? not official. I think there are a few tapes which feature it but not many, which is just as well. IMO - rating: curiosity value only. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Aug 7 14:00:01 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:00:01 -0400 Subject: Life On Mars..? In-Reply-To: <9608071742.aa01184@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, M Holmes wrote: > Le Monsieur writes: > > > On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Chris Bates wrote: > > > The meteorite hits Antarctica N years ago. The fossils of the primitive > > > lifeforms are greater than N years old so they must've been in the > > > meteorite when it landed. It probably didn't stop off on the way so the > > > lifeforms come from Mars. > > > > Well, that's assuming they were using dating techniques that work. > > [Hmmm, maybe *I* should start using dating techniques that work... :) ] > > > > Seriously, though, C-14 dating is only accurate to something in 5 > > digits. (20 or 30,000, is it?) And even if they did try and > > isotopically date it with something more accurate, they are making a > > HUGE-ass umption: that the isotopic ratio in Mars' atmosphere is > > comparable to Earth's. > > Couldn't they have dated it by the layer of the pack ice they found it in? Don't they use isochron dating nowadays, which, I believe, is more accurate than C-14 dating and, more importantly, is inherently self-checking? You can find out more than you'd ever want to know about this topic in the talk.origins FAQ on the subject. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Spinal Tap, _Break Like the Wind_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Wed Aug 7 14:47:11 1996 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 13:47:11 -0500 Subject: Life On Mars..? In-Reply-To: from "Hardman DK" at Aug 7, 96 10:57:49 am Message-ID: > > > The evidence is exciting, even compelling, but not > > conclusive. It is a discovery that demands further > > scientific investigation. NASA is ready to assist the > > process of rigorous scientific investigation and lively > > scientific debate that will follow this discovery. > > Translation: "Give us more money!" > > Cynically, Exactly what my brother said. He thinks it's just a little too close to the bad sci fi movie hype and the xfiles and so forth... I tried to convince him that if it is in fact a hoax, those responsible will in fact be found out and spanked... You just can't get away with that sort of thing in the scientific community; not once the data is made public anyway. -Bryan From stayer at PI.NET Tue Aug 6 21:04:24 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:04:24 PDT Subject: BOC Sets Message-ID: Rocker 22 writes: >Sure it wasn' t the opening act? DF answers: >It was an occasional soundcheck. I guess this was about a Deep Purple cover, Highway Star, wasn't it? Wow. With those five words, Deb has succeeded in bringing up a storm of BOC-L people searching for sound check tapes, which are rare anyway. Strange why we didn't know about this before. Even Bolle hadn't heard of it. And so, we learn every day. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Aug 6 20:50:53 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:50:53 PDT Subject: FW: Consumer Reports - Girlfriends Message-ID: ============================================================= A Consumer Reports special: Girlfriends Well it's been over 20 years since Consumer Reports reviewed girlfriends (CR, Aug 1972). Since then, styles have changed, new features have been introduced, and the market for girlfriends has changed substantially. So we here at CU decided another report was needed. As in a car or a computer, you should ask yourself what you need a girlfriend for before obtaining one. This will, in large part, dictate the final product which you should consider. Do you want an intellectual companion? A baby factory? A hiking partner? Or just lots of good, old-fashioned sex? Identifying your needs is the first, and most important, step in selecting a girlfriend. The second question which needs to be addressed is, of course, how much you are able to spend. This is largely determined by your physical and personal characteristics - if you are good looking, have a commanding personality and a good sense of humor, you will have the resources to obtain a fancy, high-end model. On the other hand, if you are ugly, smell bad, use computers and wear polyester clothes, your choices are more limited. Keep your purchasing power in mind when considering your selection. Although the salesman will tell you that the make and model you want can be financed, CU does not reccommend this practice; due to inflating expectations, the required monetary outlay will actually *increase* with time. Used vs. New? A question many girlfriend seekers have to address is whether to get a new or a used one. The answer to this question will, roughly speaking, be determined by your age, as shown in the following table: Your age Used or New -------- ----------- 1-12 years (see note A) 13-16 years New 17-21 years Used, but not used up 22-35 years Used heavily 35-60 years New (see note B) 60+ (see note A) Notes: A: Seek psychiatric help B: Only "new" if income $100,000/year. Otherwise, "divorced". New girlfriends have the advantage that they have no previous bad experiences to project on you, but the disadvantage that they will rarely be old enough to open their own checking account. Used products, on the other hand, may be steady,reliable performers, with the initial problems worked out, but CU advises that you avoid models which have much more than average mileage (2.1 SO's/yr). Much greater than the average may be an indication that the girlfriend was a professional. Accessories Often the potential girlfriends you see on the lot or in a tavern will be loaded with accessories, as the dealer gets a high markup on such items as large bosom, blonde hair, long legs, green eyes, etc. Other accessories will only appeal to fringe markets, such as models which come pre-equipped with children, or the ability run 10 miles while chanting sanskrit. In such cases you should make a list of accessories desired, tolerated, and disliked. Note that some accessories (such as children) can be added later, while others (such as a large bosom) must be factory installed. The Test Ride When evaluating the goods, a test ride is essential. The test ride ritual begins with the so-called "pickup line", which can range from the simple if dull ("Can I buy you a drink?") to the aggressively hip ("dance with me or I'll kill you") to the arcane ("You're my Camus comrade, and I want to leap you, Faith!"). CU rates as Not Acceptable "Smile, you'll look better." Once on the test bed, evaluate handling, stability, and acceleration. The two questions you want to answer are:how fast, and how far? Examine the detailing. Does the bosom sag? Does the heater warm adaquately, or does she remain cool? Ordering vs. On-The-Lot Finding the perfect product can be a frustrating experience, and many potential customers find it hard to get the exact model and accessories wanted. In such cases ordering from the factory is an option. Delivery time, however, is from 14 to 16 years (depending on the state you live in), and CU questions the usefulness of such a practice: if you have access to the baby factory, you should reconsider your need for another one anyway. Methodology Test samples were evaluated by a dedicated group of 10 test engineers, selected to typify the average seeking population. All tests were performed at CU's specially constructed test facility, which included a bedroom, kitchen, and living room, and at a number of bars and taverns surrounding the facility. A series of seven tests were run, evaluatingeach product according to the following criteria: intelligence, wit, humor, empathy, initiative, looks, and performance. Results Girlfriends are grouped together in catagories by similarity. Within each catagory, variation is not statistically significant. Category Comments Goddess This is the woman of your dreams. She comes equipped with all the options you want and none of the ones you don't. She can argue subtle points of philosophy, give you a stiff game of raquetball, understand what you mean even if you don't say it, and break a bed. No mental or physical hangups. The drawback is that this model is not actually available. Goddess-in-law This model is similar to the goddess, but comes with contractual retainers, such as a psychotic ex-husband, a spiteful mother, an alchololic father, and a bratty kid. This model tends to generate grey hairs. Ms. Right The best all-around choice for most girlfriend situations. Has most of the characteristics of the Goddess except possibly in the wrong size or hair color. Other than that, an excellent long-term investment. Availability is extremely limited but can occasionally be found with luck. Babe This is the flashy, fully-loaded variety with all the options.Unfortunately this model lacks cognitive powers and empathy. Showy, and suitable for a parade or for impressing your friends, but not for your long-term girlfriend needs. Friend The model with the most empathy. Caring and kind but you wouldn't be caught dead in it. Availibility is poor to fair, depending on quality. Yeah, Her The Ford Escort of girlfriends. Widely available, butuseful as a girlfriend only in a pinch, if no others are available.Tends to be spiteful or unreliable, or have a dull finish. Last Orders You only ever find these of a morning; your friends all saw it the night before and won't let you forget. Until you find her, we at CU wish you Happy Hunting! =============================================================== Jerry From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 7 22:18:36 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:18:36 BST Subject: HW: Kris Tait's book Message-ID: This is almost impossible to find - except as a Collector's Item. Hopefully it'll be one of the things that's re-issued along with some of the early stuff...... hint hint? I've heard that there is indeed an official follow-up to it planned but I'm not sure how far this has got or who is doing it. Maybe Star Rats can help here? David Watson's "Born To Go - Hawkwind in the Seventies" book is still available I think, so if you want an alternative version of early Hawkwind history I can recommend this one. (ok - I know him, he's a nice bloke, it's a good book and Dave Brock has read it and approved it, I'm told!) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Aug 8 02:28:00 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon Hundley) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 02:28:00 BST-1 Subject: OFF: Can/Ash Ra Tempel Message-ID: You could try: Christian - perhaps this will help if nothing's forthcoming: SPOON Records, Hildegard Schmidt, Postbox 350209, D-5 Koln 30, Germany. This address seems to have been pretty constant for twenty years, so you should get through. Sadly, I don't know of too many mail-order dealers of this type: I wonder if Lotus Records are still about... I was lucky enough to complete my vinyl Can collection via Spoon re-releases and second-hand shops. And the CDs seem to be everywhere - don't know who's distributing them here - Beggars Banquet perhaps? This may or may not be duff information - I'll try and dig something more constructive out over the next few days (I'll also ask my local record dealer, who orders me all sorts of strange things, if he'll do mail order) - I've just moved flat, which was chaotic as usual. Drop me an email. Gordon. From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Aug 8 02:28:00 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon Hundley) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 02:28:00 BST-1 Subject: Life On Mars..? Message-ID: There seems to be quite a lot of skepticism on this list, which is very healthy, and which is needed when dealing with such extraordinary news. However, there's a few misconceptions about... First, the meteorite apparently fell to earth 13,000 years ago, having been smashed off Mars 1.5 million years ago. The age of the rock is close to the oldest crust of Mars - 4.5 billion years, and the carbonites are some 3.5 billion years old. The dating is not disputed. The "bacteria fossils" are very tiny - smaller than any "fossil" biologically identified as the result of life yet. However, based on quite meticulous research, and examples where nanobacteria have been non-biologically identified from Earth samples (of similar age), it seems extremely likely that the NASA scientists are presenting the first extra-terrestrial fossils. It isn't concievable that this is the result of life on Earth (from the dating) - if it isn't life from Mars, then it's something else entirely, but nobody's thought up a very likely proposal. Certainly, there is sufficient evidence that it should be brought forward to the general community, so that scientists and thinkers of other disciplines can examine that evidence. I dont think that "appropriate timing" is something planned here. The chances of a manned mission to Mars before the end of the millenium are indeed slim. The next worthwhile launch window for any of the sort of technology we could deploy would be in 1999. The trip would take longer than what was left of the millenium. If, however, you mean the odds of such a programme being announced before the end of the millenium... then just maybe... Gordon. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Aug 7 22:54:39 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 22:54:39 -0400 Subject: HW: Kris Tait's book In-Reply-To: <9608072218.aa02654@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Jill writes: > This is almost impossible to find - except as a Collector's Item. > Hopefully it'll be one of the things that's re-issued along with some of > the early stuff...... hint hint? I bought my copy in the early 90's from the official merchandising address. I think it cost about a fiver. I also got the address for ordering the Weird Tapes from them, too. They may have been slow, but they were very helpful, and got there in the end. The book is an amusing and interesting read, IMHO. There are a lot of contemporary newspaper articles and reviews reproduced (sometimes none too legibly), too. > I've heard that there is indeed an official follow-up to it planned > but I'm not sure how far this has got or who is doing it. When I enquired about a followup whilst ordering the first "installment" the reply (from Kris) was along the lines of "yes... when I get the time." > David Watson's "Born To Go - Hawkwind in the Seventies" book is still > available I think, so if you want an alternative version of early > Hawkwind history I can recommend this one. (ok - I know him, he's a > nice bloke, it's a good book and Dave Brock has read it and approved > it, I'm told!) It's a great book, IMHO. I give it a thumbs up. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _Any Gas Faster_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Thu Aug 8 01:21:11 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 00:21:11 -0500 Subject: HW: Kris Tait's book Message-ID: At 10:18 PM 8/7/96 BST, you wrote: >This is almost impossible to find - except as a Collector's Item. >Hopefully it'll be one of the things that's re-issued along with some of >the early stuff...... hint hint? > >I've heard that there is indeed an official follow-up to it planned >but I'm not sure how far this has got or who is doing it. Maybe >Star Rats can help here? I'll have a word with those in the know and see what I can find out. I bought my copy on the '84 tour when it first came out and I've been wondering about Volume 2 myself since then--and that goes for the lyric book too :) Star-Rats From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Aug 8 03:35:47 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:35:47 +0200 Subject: Jeepster Message-ID: Martyn White wrote: > > While rummaging through someone elses CD collection, I > came across a greatest hits compilation for T.rex. Nostalgia trip. > Anyone remember "Metal Guru", or "Ride a White Swan". > I've always wanted to know what a Jeepster is? ;-) > To bring this on topic, I vaguely remember there being a connection > between Marc Bolan and HW. Anyone? > > Martyn Maybe Peter Took, who played with Bolan in Tyrannosaurus Rex up until ca. 1969 or so, and later was (I think) in the Pink Fairies..? Metal Guru is probably my all time favorite T. Rex song! Christian From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Thu Aug 8 08:56:37 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 08:56:37 +-100 Subject: Jeepster Message-ID: Not cheapster? ---------- From: Martyn White[SMTP:white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 1996 06:18 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Jeepster While rummaging through someone elses CD collection, I came across a greatest hits compilation for T.rex. Nostalgia trip. Anyone remember "Metal Guru", or "Ride a White Swan". I've always wanted to know what a Jeepster is? ;-) To bring this on topic, I vaguely remember there being a connection between Marc Bolan and HW. Anyone? Martyn -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Thu Aug 8 05:04:01 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:04:01 +0000 Subject: HW: Kris Tait's book Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > David Watson's "Born To Go - Hawkwind in the Seventies" book is still > available I think, so if you want an alternative version of early > Hawkwind history I can recommend this one. (ok - I know him, he's a > nice bloke, it's a good book and Dave Brock has read it and approved > it, I'm told!) ----------------------- Any ideas where this book may be available in Scotland ? Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 8 09:55:53 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:55:53 BST Subject: HW: Kris Tait's book In-Reply-To: Andy Cobley's message of Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:04:01 +0000 Message-ID: Andy Cobley writes: > J Strobridge wrote: > > David Watson's "Born To Go - Hawkwind in the Seventies" book is still > > available I think, so if you want an alternative version of early > > Hawkwind history I can recommend this one. (ok - I know him, he's a > > nice bloke, it's a good book and Dave Brock has read it and approved > > it, I'm told!) > ----------------------- > > > Any ideas where this book may be available in Scotland ? > yep - if you write to Gavin Wilson, 3 Quarry Street, Larkhall, Lanarkshire, ML9 2NJ (he's arranging the printing and distribution) he'll get a copy off to you. Price is 5.00 sterling plus 50p post and packing for the UK. (5.00 pounds plus 1.00 pound for those across the pond). cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu Aug 8 11:14:48 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 11:14:48 BST Subject: OFF: Re: Life On Mars..? Message-ID: > P.S. And no, if all the world's land ice melted, sea level would not rise so > much as to flood most of the land...it would rise approximately 80 meters. So > Kevin Costner would not need to grow gills... Hmmmmm, so living in a basement flat near Brighton sea front, it means I'd better start evolving now. bye - Rob From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Aug 8 06:49:34 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:49:34 +0200 Subject: HW in Eurovision Song Contest! Message-ID: I just had this idea... seeing as easy listening has become such a fad... Imagine - a clean-shaven, short-haired, cocktail suited group called "David Brock and the Hawkwinds" lovingly performing the romantic "Spirit of The Age" in mid-tempo in the style of Burt Bacharach at the Eurovision Song Contest '97... I'm sure they'd win! Mr. Brock and his musical group would win the hearts of young ladies all over Europe, perhaps even the world! Lemmy could lose some weight, cut his hair, and re-join the group and play the organ, and do some crooning of his own.... perhaps do a wonderful rendition of "The Watcher" or "Silver Machine". Hmm... wonder what Calvert would have said? I'm snapping my fingers already! Christian From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Thu Aug 8 12:06:38 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:06:38 +-100 Subject: HW: Kris Tait's book Message-ID: Who is the cheque payable to? Mike P ---------- From: J Strobridge[SMTP:eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 1996 10:55 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Kris Tait's book Andy Cobley writes: > J Strobridge wrote: > > David Watson's "Born To Go - Hawkwind in the Seventies" book is still > > available I think, so if you want an alternative version of early > > Hawkwind history I can recommend this one. (ok - I know him, he's a > > nice bloke, it's a good book and Dave Brock has read it and approved > > it, I'm told!) > ----------------------- > > > Any ideas where this book may be available in Scotland ? > yep - if you write to Gavin Wilson, 3 Quarry Street, Larkhall, Lanarkshire, ML9 2NJ (he's arranging the printing and distribution) he'll get a copy off to you. Price is 5.00 sterling plus 50p post and packing for the UK. (5.00 pounds plus 1.00 pound for those across the pond). cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheques payable to: Gavin Wilson Thanks jill > oHA+cDSg/zSwYWFI4U6iHeAFEFExGzH8NS4fgEZBBJAfQGahC1DLLkBroDBgUHBvLlFS4f8KhQqw > U6BmkgIQBcAbYikgd06ja7NtIHU+UAQgbJMx/2+XboVtMFxhBQBtMBtDbabxAiBkKS4czBuhSnEc > zPZqRngczD13D3gfeS96P7N6pAqFSi4o0CboQAmA8i4A0C51RgB9n34VJ+X3AZACQDsQLn0WCoWA > 74H/AYLsRUxJSlNBQLBzcnYwfTAAIHN//v8KhVffh2+If4mPIjw7TzxfFz1sCoUVMQCPMAMAEBAA > AAAAAwAREAAAAABAAAcwIJoojxmFuwFAAAgwIJoojxmFuwEeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABSRTogAAAAALPH PS: what's all this - if I may be so curious?? > > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB8522.0F4E69C0-- ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Aug 8 07:22:10 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:22:10 +0200 Subject: HW: Dave Watson's book Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > > Mike Parkington writes: > > oHA+cDSg/zSwYWFI4U6iHeAFEFExGzH8NS4fgEZBBJAfQGahC1DLLkBroDBgUHBvLlFS4f8KhQqw > > U6BmkgIQBcAbYikgd06ja7NtIHU+UAQgbJMx/2+XboVtMFxhBQBtMBtDbabxAiBkKS4czBuhSnEc > > zPZqRngczD13D3gfeS96P7N6pAqFSi4o0CboQAmA8i4A0C51RgB9n34VJ+X3AZACQDsQLn0WCoWA > > 74H/AYLsRUxJSlNBQLBzcnYwfTAAIHN//v8KhVffh2+If4mPIjw7TzxfFz1sCoUVMQCPMAMAEBAA > > AAAAAwAREAAAAABAAAcwIJoojxmFuwFAAAgwIJoojxmFuwEeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABSRTogAAAAALPH > > PS: what's all this - if I may be so curious?? > Obviously the mad scribbles of a Hawkwind fan? Christian From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Thu Aug 8 12:38:02 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:38:02 +-100 Subject: HW: Dave Watson's book Message-ID: > oHA+cDSg/zSwYWFI4U6iHeAFEFExGzH8NS4fgEZBBJAfQGahC1DLLkBroDBgUHBvLlFS4f8KhQqw > U6BmkgIQBcAbYikgd06ja7NtIHU+UAQgbJMx/2+XboVtMFxhBQBtMBtDbabxAiBkKS4czBuhSnEc > zPZqRngczD13D3gfeS96P7N6pAqFSi4o0CboQAmA8i4A0C51RgB9n34VJ+X3AZACQDsQLn0WCoWA > 74H/AYLsRUxJSlNBQLBzcnYwfTAAIHN//v8KhVffh2+If4mPIjw7TzxfFz1sCoUVMQCPMAMAEBAA > AAAAAwAREAAAAABAAAcwIJoojxmFuwFAAAgwIJoojxmFuwEeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABSRTogAAAAALPH PS: what's all this - if I may be so curious?? Did I really do that?? If so I have absolutely no idea where it came from, perhaps it's Martian speak? There's a lot of it about apparently. Mike P. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Christian -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1954 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mumford at EUNET.NO Thu Aug 8 07:43:48 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:43:48 +0200 Subject: HW: Dave Watson's book Message-ID: Mike Parkington wrote: > > > Attachment 2 Type: application/ms-tnef > Encoding: base64 I've noticed this attachment on all your posts - does this have anything to do with it? I opened it once out of curiosity and got a lot of garbled lingo. Christian From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Aug 8 07:42:47 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:42:47 -0400 Subject: Jeepster In-Reply-To: <320998D3.3D78@eunet.no> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > Martyn White wrote: > > To bring this on topic, I vaguely remember there being a connection > > between Marc Bolan and HW. Anyone? > > > > Martyn > > Maybe Peter Took, who played with Bolan in Tyrannosaurus Rex up until > ca. 1969 or so, and later was (I think) in the Pink Fairies..? Metal > Guru is probably my all time favorite T. Rex song! Then, of course, there's the obvious connection: Hawkwind appeared on the Marc Bolan TV show (sans Brock, who was "unable" to make the show and therefore couldn't mime the performance as required). Cheers, Paul. obCD: Raging Slab, _Dynamite Monster Boogie Concert_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Aug 6 18:11:17 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:11:17 -0400 Subject: This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic? Message-ID: > >Mike Parkington wrote: >> >> When I was at a Hawkwind gig some years ago, I think it was Chronicle of the Black Sword, I bought a book by Kris Tait "This is Hawkwind do >not Panic" I think >> > > >Is the first book availible anywhere or is it long out of print and an >expensive kollektor's item? > >Christian > > It is long out of print, but if you search real hard, a copy might pop up here or there. I recently spotted a copy in Lakewood, Ohio, that a used vinyl store owner had, and he had to go to the UK to get it. It was $21, and no, it is no longer there. Sorry Duane From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Aug 8 12:14:14 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:14:14 -0400 Subject: HW: Kris Tait's book Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-08 01:43:40 EDT, you write: > >I'll have a word with those in the know and see what I can find out. I >bought my copy on the '84 tour when it first came out and I've been >wondering about Volume 2 myself since then--and that goes for the lyric book >too :) I talked to Kris on the last tour and Vol 2 is in the works. Don't know when. regards, Bill Stewart From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 8 17:52:19 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:52:19 BST Subject: HW: Alan Davey's album Message-ID: Just checked with C&D and they report that: Alan Davey's album is due out in two weeks or so. Spacehead album you'd better think in terms of xmas presents.. jill ObObservation (from a newsboard): the Mars rock containing possible life molecules is considerably older than the first appearance of such compounds in rocks here on Earth. Ergo - *we* are Martians...?! I love it. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Thu Aug 8 13:06:31 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:06:31 -0400 Subject: HW: Alan Davey's album Message-ID: Jill sez: > > > ObObservation (from a newsboard): the Mars rock containing possible > life molecules is considerably older than the first appearance of such > compounds in rocks here on Earth. Ergo - *we* are Martians...?! > I love it. > Yep, Uncle Sam's From Mars ;-0 >> Alan Davey's album is due out in two weeks or so. >> Wasn't there a Richarhd Chadwick solo album in the works at one point (mentioned on THe White ZOne) anybody hear anymore about that ? Cheers, Steve L. From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu Aug 8 13:10:10 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Mike Wright) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:10:10 +0100 Subject: HW: some very poor photos WWW Message-ID: Dear bocklers I have just spent the afternoon trying to get some decent scans from my photo collection onto the Web, but have given up due to disappointiong results, and hints from my boss that they do not pay me to spend ages scanning in HW photos, especially if I then use university resources to display them. The upshot of this long sentance is that if you get yourselves to http://www.reading.ac.uk/~keswrims/hwkpix.htm you will see 6 photos, totalling 0.57 MB and to http://www.reading.ac.uk/~keswrims/calv.htm there are 6 photos, totalling 0.95 MB. You will notice I have made no effort to make the pages beautiful or even interesting, as I suspect I will be asked to remove them once the appropriate person comes back from holiday. Cheers Mike w From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Aug 8 13:24:05 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:24:05 -0400 Subject: HW: Alan Davey's album In-Reply-To: <9608081752.aa25751@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Jill writes: > ObObservation (from a newsboard): the Mars rock containing possible > life molecules is considerably older than the first appearance of such > compounds in rocks here on Earth. Ergo - *we* are Martians...?! > I love it. I can't quite see it myself. How can life on Earth have evolved from *fossils* from Mars??? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Neil Young, _Sleeps With Angels_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Aug 8 12:54:02 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:54:02 +0000 Subject: HW: Alan Davey's album Message-ID: Stephen Lindsey wrote: > > Jill sez: > > > > > > ObObservation (from a newsboard): the Mars rock containing possible > > life molecules is considerably older than the first appearance of such > > compounds in rocks here on Earth. Ergo - *we* are Martians...?! > > I love it. > > > > Yep, Uncle Sam's From Mars ;-0 > > >> > Alan Davey's album is due out in two weeks or so. > >> > > Wasn't there a Richarhd Chadwick solo album in the works at one point > (mentioned on THe White ZOne) anybody hear anymore about that ? > > Cheers, > Steve L. i asked richard about this on the recent tour.he just looked at me like i was some strange bug from neath the carpet,and giggled-"yeah right." he then said "i just play the drums,and who wants to listen to a whole album of just that?" i said,"me,for one,have you ever heard any of mickey hart's solo stuff?" to which he said "oh you like that crap?" i dont know if he was kidding or what,but i wouldnt spend too much energy looking for any solo stuff from him. rj From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Thu Aug 8 18:14:29 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:14:29 -0500 Subject: Cancelled French Date Message-ID: To all, Hawkwind will NOT be appearing at the Free Wheels Festival in Cunlhat, France due to technical problems with the rigging of the lights. Apologies go out to all fans that had planned to go. Yours, Star-Rats From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 8 23:41:51 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:41:51 -0400 Subject: OFF: Calling Alex Garcia Message-ID: Alex, deleted your e-mail by mistake. Get in touch re. sending your order to your address in France if necessary. From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Aug 9 00:54:48 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 00:54:48 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeon spinoff bands Message-ID: Awhile back someone posted a long list of possible names for spinoff bands from Hawkwind (Pinkwind, Twinkwind, etc.). I was wondering what it would be like if this were true for the Brain Surgeons: Pinky & The Brain Surgeons - narf! Refrain Surgeons - coverband that only remember the chorus Train Surgeons - band composed of BOC-L people who thought Albert's line "Ant Track Tools" on Imaginos was really "Amtrak Trains" Grain Surgeons - An excuse to re-use the cult classic picture of the reaper in a wheatfield Drain Surgeons - Current line-up fronted by Amanda Plumber Crane Surgeons - Strain Surgeons - Rain Surgeons - Brain Sturgeons - Russian tribute band from Caspian Sea fishing villiage. .... this appears to be going nowhere. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 9 08:48:02 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:48:02 BST Subject: HW: Kris Tait's book In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:14:14 -0400 Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > In a message dated 96-08-08 01:43:40 EDT, you write: > > > > >I'll have a word with those in the know and see what I can find out. I > >bought my copy on the '84 tour when it first came out and I've been > >wondering about Volume 2 myself since then--and that goes for the lyric book > >too :) > > I talked to Kris on the last tour and Vol 2 is in the works. Don't know > when. I believe she's been saying that since the last one was out but this may be unwaranted skepticism. > Bill Stewart FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Aug 9 08:40:03 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:40:03 -0400 Subject: BOC: Random stuff Message-ID: Boy, it's pretty quiet in BOC-L land -- then again, I hear AOL was down for over a day the other day so that might be part of it. Just got an e-mail from Luke - the guy who does the French BOC fanzine, "Blue Pearl". He gave me some info regarding the CD releases of *Club Ninja* -- some of you may recall that I've been searching for a CD copy of the "UK Mix" of CN - as has Bolle. According to Luke, this mix does NOT exist on CD, only on vinyl (on the Vinyl LP of CN pressed first in Europe, and also on some 12" versions of "White Flags", the non-fadeout version is used). Well, I guess that's one less CD I have to look for! Luke also asked if he could translate my review of the 6/22 Brain Surgeons gig in Boston for use in "Blue Pearl", so it may show up in a future issue. John A few CD's recently in the player: KISS - "You Wanted the Best, You Got the Best" (feeling 13 all over again) Infectious Grooves - "The Plague That Makes Your Booty Move" (kind of a funkier version of the Red Hot Chilli Peppers - features Robert Trujillo, one bad-assed bass player) The Fools - "Wake Up, It's Alive (Again)" (The Fools were one of THE best club acts and college party bands in Boston in the 80's -- they also briefly toured with Van Halen early in their career) Various - "Also Available in Green" (a CD released recently by Trace Eliot, makers of fine amplification equipment, for the occassion of their 15th anniversary -- features tracks by lots of well-known bass players - mostly jazz, but also some funk, and a live track by Steve Harris and Iron Maiden) From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Aug 9 10:12:36 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:12:36 -0400 Subject: TEST Message-ID: Network probs, please ignore sorry Martyn From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Aug 9 10:16:00 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:16:00 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeon spinoff bands In-Reply-To: <199608090454.AAA05511@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > Awhile back someone posted a long list of possible names for spinoff bands > from Hawkwind (Pinkwind, Twinkwind, etc.). > > I was wondering what it would be like if this were true for the Brain Surgeons: [[various suggestions deleted.]] Well, these can join them... Cane Surgeons - S&M coverband for those that like their Surgeons material with a little sting to it. :-) Deign Surgeons - They only turn up and play when they feel like it, and if they think you deserve it. Gain Surgeons - Richard Simmons outcasts on a mission! Insane Surgeons - Best not get too close to this lot... Kane Surgeons - They read far too much Karl Edward Wagner for their own good. Lane Surgeons - Erstwhile highway workers. Tend to cover "Born to be Wild" a bit too often. Mane Surgeons - Ticket price to gig includes free haircut and shave. Pain Surgeons - Give great neckrubs! Stain Surgeons - Fronted by Heloise. Tend to cover "Silver (Washing) Machine" a bit too often (BOC-L crossover). Sane Surgeons - The Insane Surgeons on their better days. Tame Surgeons - Play only soft, gentle, New Age ambient cover versions. Vain Surgeons - Never did put out an album because they spent all their budget at Glamour Shots. . . . I agree, this appears to be going nowhere. :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: John Mayall, _Blues From Laurel Canyon_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Aug 9 10:48:05 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:48:05 -0400 Subject: Patti Smith at the Empire Message-ID: All 13-year-olds with a guitar - like Johnny in "The Marshall Plan" - play "Smoke on the Water". Not all 13-year-olds, on the other hand, get to play "Smoke on the Water" to a packed theatre, with Lenny Kaye and Tom Verlaine, and with Patti Smith on backup vocals. Jackson Smith did on Wednesday. It must be the coolest thing in the world to be Patti Smith's son! If you didn't know much about Patti Smith, you might expect her be be somewhat haughty and aloof. Nothing could be further from the truth. What really impressed was her warmth, humour, humanity, and humility. That, and her amazing voice, and commanding stage presence; from the moment she walked on stage, beamed a smile from ear to ear, and launched into "Piss Factory", you knew this was a night to remember! She didn't disappoint in terms of playing old favourites - "Dancing Barefoot", "Because the Night", "Gloria" - and represented all the albums from her career, but also startled with an astonishing cover of Prince's "When Doves Cry", and a gorgeous acoustic "Crystal Ship" (the Doors). And what a great backup band! I didn't realise what a guitar god Tom Verlaine is! And John Cale (John Cale!!!) showed up for the encore! All in all, one hell of a show. Diffcult to mention highlights, because it was *all* a highlight. Patti might be older now, but she showed amazing enthusiasm, and except for some grey in the hair, and the glasses she needed for poetry reading, you'd never know it. When she repeatedly fluffed a chord in the final song ("Farewell Reel"), the audience, by now in the palm of her hand, shouted encouragement and clapped along to provide an accompaniment. The good news for those who weren't there is, the show was recorded, so (unless it was for radio, but I didn't get that impression) you can expect a live album! (Although, as she joked, "Farewell Reel" will probably remain "our private moment"). And if she plays anywhere near you, run, don't walk, and get a ticket. - Andy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Aug 9 12:09:47 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:09:47 EST Subject: Patti Smith at the Empire Message-ID: > All 13-year-olds with a guitar - like Johnny in "The Marshall Plan" - play > "Smoke on the Water". Not all 13-year-olds, on the other hand, get to play > "Smoke on the Water" to a packed theatre, with Lenny Kaye and Tom Verlaine, > and with Patti Smith on backup vocals. Jackson Smith did on Wednesday. It > must be the coolest thing in the world to be Patti Smith's son! > > - Andy I've seen the Allmans a few times where Dickey had his son Duane come up and jam. And his kid can really play. Is Jackson Smith [love that name!] a legit gtr plyr? Must be pretty cool to go back to high school and write that 'what I did on my summer vacation' paper, eh, when you can nonchalantly point out: Oh yeah, and I jammed with the Allman Brothers... theo From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Fri Aug 9 16:37:54 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:37:54 +-100 Subject: OFF: Things to come Message-ID: ------- Forwarded Message Nov 28, 1995: Moved in to my new digitally-maxed out Hermosa Beach house at last. Finally, we live in the smartest house in the neighborhood. Everything's networked. The cable TV is connected to our phone, which is connected to my personal computer, which is connected to the power lines, all the appliances and the security system. Everything runs off a universal remote with the friendliest interface I've ever used. Programming is a snap. I'm like, totally wired. Nov 30: Hot Stuff! Programmed my VCR from the office, turned up the thermostat and switched on the lights with the car phone, remotely tweaked the oven a few degrees for my pizza. Everything nice & cozy when I arrived. Maybe I should get the universal remote surgically attached. Dec 1: Had to call the SmartHouse people today about bandwidth problems. The TV drops to about 2 frames/second when I'm talking on the phone. They insist it's a problem with the cable company's compression algorithms. How do they expect me to order things from the Home Shopping Channel? Dec 8: Got my first SmartHouse invoice today and was unpleasantly surprised. I suspect the cleaning woman of reading Usenet from the washing machine interface when I'm not here. She must be downloading one hell of a lot of GIFs from the binary groups, because packet charges were through the roof on the invoice. Dec 3: Yesterday, the kitchen CRASHED. Freak event. As I opened the refrigerator door, the light bulb blew. Immediately, everything else electrical shut down -- lights, microwave, coffee maker -- everything. Carefully unplugged and replugged all the appliances. Nothing. Call the cable company (but not from the kitchen phone). They refer me to the utility. The utility insists that the problem is in the software. So the software company runs some remote telediagnostics via my house processor. Their expert system claims it has to be the utility's fault. I don't care, I just want my kitchen back. More phone calls; more remote diag's. Turns out the problem was "unanticipated failure mode": The network had never seen a refrigerator bulb failure while the door was open. So the fuzzy logic interpreted the burnout as a power surge and shut down the entire kitchen. But because sensor memory confirmed that there hadn't actually been a power surge, the kitchen logic sequence was confused and it couldn't do a standard restart. The utility guy swears this was the first time this has ever happened. Rebooting the kitchen took over an hour. Dec 7: The police are not happy. Our house keeps calling them for help. We discover that whenever we play the TV or stereo above 25 decibels, it creates patterns of micro-vibrations that get amplified when they hit the window. When these vibrations mix with a gust of wind, the security sensors are actuated, and the police computer concludes that someone is trying to break in. Go figure. Another glitch: Whenever the basement is in self-diagnostic mode, the universal remote won't let me change the channels on my TV. That means I actually have to get up off the couch and change the channels by hand. The software and the utility people say this flaw will be fixed in the next upgrade -- SmartHouse 2.1. But it's not ready yet. Finally, I'm starting to suspect that the microwave is secretly tuning into the cable system to watch Bay Watch. The unit is completely inoperable during that same hour. I guess I can live with that. At least the blender is not tuning in to old I Love Lucy episodes. Dec 9: I just bought the new Microsoft Home. Took 93 gigabytes of storage, but it will be worth it, I think. The house should be much easier to use and should really do everything. I had to sign a second mortgage over to Microsoft, but I don't mind: I don't really own my house now--it's really the bank. Let them deal with Microsoft. Dec 10: I'm beginning to have doubts about Microsoft House. I keep getting an hour glass symbol showing up when I want to run the dishwasher. Dec 12: This is a nightmare. There's a virus in the house. My personal computer caught it while browsing on the public access network. I come home and the living room is a sauna, the bedroom windows are covered with ice, the refrigerator has defrosted, the washing machine has flooded the basement, the garage door is cycling up and down and the TV is stuck on the home shopping channel. Through-out the house, lights flicker like stroboscopes until they explode from the strain. Broken glass is everywhere. Of course, the security sensors detect nothing. I look at a message slowly throbing on my personal computer screen: WELCOME TO HomeWrecker!!! NOW THE FUN BEGINS ... (Be it ever so humble, there's no virus like the HomeWrecker...). Dec 18: They think they've digitally disinfected the house, but the place is a shambles. Pipes have burst and we're not completely sure we've got the part of the virus that attacks toilets. Nevertheless, the Exorcists (as the anti-virus SWAT team members like to call themselves) are confident the worst is over. "HomeWrecker is pretty bad" one he tells me, "but consider yourself lucky you didn't get PolterGeist. That one is really evil." Dec 19: Apparently, our house isn't insured for viruses. "Fires and mudslides, yes," says the claims adjuster. "Viruses, no." My agreement with the SmartHouse people explicitly states that all claims and warranties are null and void if any appliance or computer in my house networks in any way, shape or form with a non-certified on-line service. Everybody's very, very, sorry, but they can't be expected to anticipate every virus that might be created. We call our lawyer. He laughs. He's excited! Dec 21: I get a call from a SmartHouse sales rep. As a special holiday offer, we get the free opportunity to become a beta site for the company's new SmartHouse 2.1 upgrade. He says I'll be able to meet the programmers personally. "Sure," I tell him. From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Aug 9 12:03:13 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:03:13 -0400 Subject: Patti Smith at the Empire Message-ID: Theo asked >I've seen the Allmans a few times where Dickey had his son Duane come >up and jam. And his kid can really play. Is Jackson Smith [love >that name!] a legit gtr plyr? Well, from where I was standing, it was hard to tell exactly how much he was doing, but he seemed sound enough. He sure looked the part! Patti might have been indulging him, but I don't think she'd let him play if he wasn't ready for it. And if guitar-playing's genetic at all, he should be a natural! BTW, "The Jackson Song" off _Dream of Life_ was for him, I guess. - Andy From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Fri Aug 9 13:00:02 1996 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:00:02 -0700 Subject: Brain Surgeon spinoff bands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Paul Mather wrote: > On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > > Awhile back someone posted a long list of possible names for spinoff bands > > from Hawkwind (Pinkwind, Twinkwind, etc.). > > > > I was wondering what it would be like if this were true for the Brain Surgeons: > > [[various suggestions deleted.]] > > Well, these can join them... > > [[various suggestions deleted.]] And from Seattle, the Reign Surgeons, featuring Shawn Kemp on vocals :) > . . . I agree, this appears to be going nowhere. :-) > -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu Phone: (206) 547-6164 From stayer at PI.NET Fri Aug 9 21:01:59 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 18:01:59 PDT Subject: Brain Surgeon spinoff bands Message-ID: >Strain Surgeons - BS after blowing up the PA during an important showcase? Plane Surgeons - TWA bomb squad Jerry From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Aug 9 15:04:42 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 21:04:42 +0200 Subject: HW: Record Collector/UK Coin Question Message-ID: At 12:43 1996-08-06 BST, you wrote: >There's some good Hawkwind offers in Record Collector this month - tho' >it's probably too late for the bargains which will have been snapped up >long ago! However: just in case - > >Pandora Music, 508 Wickham Road, Brockley, London, SE4 1NZ >Tel: 0181 691 8567 (evenings best) has (prices in pounds sterling) > >7" Assassins of Allah (Italian vinile + book)** UNP 14.00 >7" Lord of Light/Born To Go (German pic sl) VG/EX 8.00 >7" Silver Machine/Urban Guerilla (Dutch) M/M 8.00 >7" Urban Guerilla/Brainbox Pollution (German pic.sl) EX/M 8.00 >7" You'd Better Believe It/Paradox (German pic.sl) G/EX 8.00 >LP Church of Hawkwind + book EX/M 15.00 >LP Choose Your Masques EX/M 15.00 >LP Hawkfan 12 (complete) M/M 90.00 !! >2LP Space Ritual (foldout + inners) EX/M/M 15.00 the hawkfan 12 was gone when I called him (of course!), but there was a few other thing's in stock. I've now ordered stuff for 26 pounds, and I'm going to send this in cach to him. There is not possible for me to change currency into smaller pieces than L5-bills - and I think... a) 4 pounds is too much to send extra, and b) there is not polite to send only L25 so - question today is: I was in UK '88 and have a few coins from that hot summer, ie a One Pound golden (just the color, I presume) coin - Elizabeth II on head side/a crown with green herbs (?!?) on flip side, dated 1984. Can I use this coin as a Current Pound Sterling? Or has the UK done like all the other countries I use to visit - change their currency while I'm away for a decade or two? >jill \\joe From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Aug 9 15:42:59 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:42:59 -0400 Subject: Life On Mars..? In-Reply-To: <960808035440_173907942@emout09.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Aug 8, 96 03:54:41 am Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: > > In a message dated 07/08/96 07:11:35, you write: > > >Anybody remember "The Thing"? :) > > I know I'm getting badly off topic here, but did you ever notice how in this > 1981 film, one of the characters who gets offed about half way through is > called "Windows", and the hero is called "Mac"? > > Guess Carpenter got *that* one wrong! :) We can dream, can't we? Steve swann at panix.com (of course, the real hero should have been a dog named Amiga). :-) From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Aug 9 15:47:33 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:47:33 -0400 Subject: HW: Alan Davey's album In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Aug 8, 96 01:24:05 pm Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > Jill writes: > > > ObObservation (from a newsboard): the Mars rock containing possible > > life molecules is considerably older than the first appearance of such > > compounds in rocks here on Earth. Ergo - *we* are Martians...?! > > I love it. > > I can't quite see it myself. How can life on Earth have evolved from > *fossils* from Mars??? I'm certain that I've met some of the people who did. :-) Steve swann at panix.com From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 9 16:17:54 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:17:54 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeon spinoff bands Message-ID: I love them all! Sheer brilliance. And they should all be on the Evil Banquet in Darkness Qaudruple set... or maybe you can make up albums for each... And songs... Carl? :-) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Aug 9 16:19:16 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:19:16 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeon spinoff bands Message-ID: >>Strain Surgeons - >BS after blowing up the PA during an important showcase? > >Plane Surgeons - TWA bomb squad Inhumane Surgeons - repeat the above joke at the start of every show Braille Surgeons - Blind masters of scalpel Terrain Surgeons - work part time as landscapers Thane Surgeons - Albert plays the bagpipes Slain Surgeons - band plays benefit to dead abortion doctors (please, no comments) Domain Surgeons - masters of internet site names based on their songs Wane Surgeons - songs about the interest level in this thread... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Aug 9 16:19:18 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:19:18 -0400 Subject: Life On Mars..? Message-ID: >Steve >swann at panix.com > >(of course, the real hero should have been a dog named Amiga). :-) Geez, didn't know there were others on this list. I was an Amiga programmer for a number of years various companies (mainly Micro-Systems Software and later RGB ("Amilink") Computer & Video) up until they went under, they let us all go within a month of the official demise.... Back at RGB, doing PAL to NTSC or SECAM or whatever back and forth was a snap, I had all the junk on my desk.... anyways, that time is past, I guess. Don't do any video editing anymore, haven't pulled the old machine out of the garage in awhile now. Right at the end we were doing an editor for Opalvision (Australian co.) which would be part of a suite, still have some of the stuff that came to naught lying around... I can't think of a good way to tie this into BOC or Hawkwind, though... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From torgo at NORWICH.NET Fri Aug 9 16:48:38 1996 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Robert Sedler) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:48:38 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeon spinoff bands Message-ID: LURKER MODE OFF: >Awhile back someone posted a long list of possible names for spinoff bands >from Hawkwind (Pinkwind, Twinkwind, etc.). >Strain Surgeons - - Yeah, and instead of TREPANATION, call the album CONSTIPATION. LURKER MODE ON: Torgo has left the building............... From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Aug 9 17:47:37 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 17:47:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: Amon Duul II news Message-ID: Latest news from AD2 (this is direct from their manager!): New album, _Live in Tokyo_, to be released soon - first in UK on Mystic Records, then in Japan. The artwork's ready, final mix is done, and they were hoping to get it in the shops in time for the Sept 21st gig in London (but it doesn't look like it'll make it). That's the only date for a while, but they're planning a ten-day stint in Japan in December. - Andy From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Aug 9 19:18:01 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:18:01 -0400 Subject: HW: home and away (Final Fit) Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-06 19:26:33 EDT, you write: >The journey out is another story for another time in another place on >another day.... More Jill...please........ regards, Bill and Bev Stewart From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Aug 10 07:27:22 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 21:27:22 +1000 Subject: turner album In-Reply-To: <960809161751_175237866@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Okay guys, Can anyone "in the know" tell me a little about the photos on the NT "Past or Future", you know, the ones in the spheres on the inside. Who are the dudes in the pics? Troy PS- just recently bought it- bloody good. obCD- as above From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat Aug 10 22:46:20 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 22:46:20 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: Brain Surgeon spinoff bands Message-ID: --------------------- Forwarded message: From: symboline at juno.com (Sally h. cragin) To: DFrost8547 at aol.com Date: 96-08-10 17:45:23 EDT brain sergeants -- the drum and bugle corps cover band From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sun Aug 11 02:30:08 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 02:30:08 -0400 Subject: Life On Mars..? (I'm not making this up, honestly...) (off topic) Message-ID: According to reports from former CIA Remote Veiwers there is still intelligent life on Mars, just under the surface. Also the Martians have a colony in the USA under Baldy Mountain in New Mexico, as well as colonies in the jungles of Central America. And whataya think of that? regards, Bill Stewart From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sun Aug 11 14:11:02 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 20:11:02 +0200 Subject: Patti Smith at the Empire Message-ID: Oh Patti... this woman is still pure sex... I saw her show at the Roskilde festival ( Denmark) at the end of June ( the first one in Europe since '79 (...or was it 77???)), and just like you claims the Empire show to have been -this was an extraordinary experience. I thought you had to know this -Daniel . . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Aug 11 21:00:37 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 21:00:37 BST Subject: Martian Independence ..? In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Sun, 11 Aug 1996 02:30:08 -0400 Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > According to reports from former CIA Remote Veiwers there is still > intelligent life on Mars, just under the surface. Also the Martians have a > colony in the USA under Baldy Mountain in New Mexico, as well as colonies in > the jungles of Central America. And whataya think of that? > someone's been watching too many re-runs of Independence Day ?? 8-)))) Well I guess Roswell will never be the same again after this film. It does seem that Hawkwind managed to time their Alien album well - did they know this film was being made? I was almost expecting there to be a stall outside the cinema entrance selling posters to promote it! cheers jill Obwierdcinema> A US president quoting Dylan Thomas in a Shakespearean context against Aliens from outer space...... I dunno. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sun Aug 11 18:52:01 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 18:52:01 -0400 Subject: Life On Mars..? (I'm not making this up, (fwd) Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-07 02:53:18 EDT, you write: > >I think they identify it by teh fingerprints left by the little green men on >Mars who threw it at another little green man who hit it with a big stick so >hard it flew to the Earth. > > And all this time I thought the Game originated in Cooperstown. regards, Bill Stewart From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Mon Aug 12 08:45:13 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:45:13 +-100 Subject: Amon Duul II news Message-ID: Before I subscribed to this list I had only heard the name Amon Duul once or twice and I have never listened to any of their stuff. Seeing as they will be playing nearby in about a month what can you suggest I give a listen to that is a good example of their current material & what (if different) could be considered their Magnum opus (shit-hottest album of all time) Mike P. ---------- From: Andy Gilham[SMTP:AndyGilham at AOL.COM] Sent: Friday, August 09, 1996 10:47 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: OFF: Amon Duul II news Latest news from AD2 (this is direct from their manager!): New album, _Live in Tokyo_, to be released soon - first in UK on Mystic Records, then in Japan. The artwork's ready, final mix is done, and they were hoping to get it in the shops in time for the Sept 21st gig in London (but it doesn't look like it'll make it). 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Wait and get this one because there's a couple of bonus tracks. Best of all time? Either _Yeti_ or _Wolf City_. Further reading: try Julian Cope's _Krautrockampler_ (in all good bokkstores), or my Amon Duul II page, http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham/ad2.htm - Andy From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Aug 12 04:43:25 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:43:25 +0200 Subject: Amon Duul II news Message-ID: At 08:45 1996-08-12 +-100, you wrote: >Before I subscribed to this list I had only heard the name Amon Duul once >or twice and I have never listened to any of their stuff. Seeing as they >will be playing nearby in about a month what can you suggest I give a >listen to that is a good example of their current material & what (if >different) could be considered their Magnum opus (shit-hottest album of all >time) my vote for their Magnum Opus is: Yeti you have here - speaking vinyl now, don't know what the CD's looks like - not only a double album with one LP containing heavy krautrock, and one containing long improvisations - you have also the Hawk connection Dave Anderson, and the more weaker BOC connection of a cover art that *might* help you remember the "Don't Fear the Reaper" track. The "Soap Shop Rock" is an Amon D??l all time winner. >Mike P. \\joe From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 12 12:30:55 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:30:55 BST Subject: Ceta Oreanis - new HW boot? Message-ID: I've just heard from a contact that there's a Hawkwind CD called something like the above. He can get a few at some record fair. I duno how easy it'll be to turn up a copy otherwise so I'm gonna go for it. If anyone else wants one then please get in touch. Someone mentioned seeing another "Silver Machine" CD on someone's list. Would they please get in touch with me? I'm keen to get hold of this if possible. Cheers FoFP From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Aug 12 08:23:47 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:23:47 -0400 Subject: Life On Mars..? (I'm not making this up, In-Reply-To: <960811023008_453651285@emout16.mail.aol.com> from "Bill Stewart" at Aug 11, 96 02:30:08 am Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > > According to reports from former CIA Remote Veiwers there is still > intelligent life on Mars, just under the surface. Also the Martians have a > colony in the USA under Baldy Mountain in New Mexico, as well as colonies in > the jungles of Central America. And whataya think of that? What do I think? I think it's cool that the CIA has obviously relaxed their attitudes regarding the use of controlled substances. :-) Steve From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Aug 12 14:15:25 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:15:25 BST Subject: Life On Mars..? (I'm not making this up, In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Mon, 12 Aug 1996 08:23:47 -0400 Message-ID: I got my copy of the Quark single a couple of weeks ago, and I think EBS should re-release the Martain Conquest Mix of Uncle Sam's On Mars as a single while Mars is hot. It's a damn fine track, IMO. (Alternatively, make the Utah Saints' remix of Silver Machine the main track, if that would grab more attention, and include USoM as an extra track). Dave. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Aug 12 15:57:27 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:57:27 EST Subject: tBS spin-offs Message-ID: I think I might be repeating a couple of band names, but with [I hope] different definitions: Cane Surgeons: Al and Deb caught grafitti-ing in Singapore [or is it Malaysia?] From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Aug 12 15:38:56 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:38:56 -0400 Subject: off: Singapore Message-ID: >I think I might be repeating a couple of band names, but with [I >hope] different definitions: > >Cane Surgeons: Al and Deb caught grafitti-ing in Singapore [or is it > Malaysia?] I think that mistakenly saying Singapore was part of Malaysia is cause for caning in Singapore. Singapore is an independant city/state nation off the southern tip of the Malaysian peninsula, residing on one major island and several smaller ones. Originally, when the region obtained its independence, Singapore was thrown in with Malaysia, if I remember right they were effectively rejected by Malaysia who feared it would dominate the political and economic climate. Culturally and ethnically, Singapore is as much Chinese as Malaysian... Malaysia does not, I believe have caning laws, but it does have mandatory death penalties for any drug offenses whatsoever, no matter how minor, so it is unlikely that Hawkwind will ever play there. I doubt they will ever play in Singapore either, as most their hairstyles would probably be against the law as well. +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Mon Aug 12 15:45:00 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:45:00 EDT Subject: tBS spin-offs Message-ID: Brain Sturgeons. ? From stayer at PI.NET Mon Aug 12 21:29:09 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:29:09 PDT Subject: Amon Duul II news Message-ID: Andy, >Further reading: try Julian Cope's _Krautrockampler_ (in all good >bokkstores), or my Amon Duul II page, Shit, this is good! I love Cope's musical / lyrical work, but now it appears he has written a book? Hm, should get that soon! Can you give me the ISBN please? Thanks, Jerry From swann at MINDVOX.COM Mon Aug 12 17:05:35 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:05:35 -0400 Subject: tBS spin-offs In-Reply-To: <9608121945.AA10746@zeal> from "ross.reyes" at Aug 12, 96 03:45:00 pm Message-ID: ross.reyes writes: > > Brain Sturgeons. ? > I was waiting for someone to say that, but I was also determined not to add any fuel to this thread. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Aug 12 17:47:09 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:47:09 -0400 Subject: Amon Duul II news Message-ID: Jerry: >>Further reading: try Julian Cope's _Krautrockampler_ (in all good >>bookstores), or my Amon Duul II page, > >Shit, this is good! I love Cope's musical / lyrical work, but now it appears >he has written a book? Hm, should get that soon! Can you give me the ISBN >please? You might have found this on my AD2 site by now: --- ...it's published by: Head Heritage KAK Ltd. PO Box 3823 London N8 8TQ England The ISBN is 0-9526719-1-3, the price is #7.99. --- You'll also enjoy his memoirs of The Teardrop Explodes!, _Head-On_ (same publisher, #5.99, ISBN 0-9526719-0-5). ObHWQuote (on finding the rest of the band smoking dope): --- Oh great. So now we're the fucking Grateful Dead or some shit. We might as well forget the whole thing. I was so anti-drugs. I thought the Clash had sold out when they'd got on their spliff and reggae trip. Now I was the bass player in bloody Hawkwind. --- Of course, Copey changed his mind later... :) - Andy From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Mon Aug 12 17:59:06 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:59:06 -0500 Subject: Free Wheels Festival Now On!! Message-ID: Hi all, The Free Wheels Festival in France is (once again) now on. Hawkwind WILL be playing after working with the organisers and coming up with a plan to overcome the problems with the lighting rigs. Yours, Star-Rats at hawkwind.com From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Aug 12 18:50:03 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:50:03 -0600 Subject: Free Wheels Festival Now On!! In-Reply-To: <199608122159.QAA14117@deliverator.io.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Aug 1996, Hawkwind wrote: > Hi all, > > The Free Wheels Festival in France is (once again) now on. Hawkwind WILL be > playing after working with the organisers and coming up with a plan to > overcome the problems with the lighting rigs. > > Yours, > Star-Rats at hawkwind.com > Who else is on the bill for this festival? God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 12 19:51:11 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:51:11 -0400 Subject: tBS spin-offs Message-ID: << Brain Sturgeons. ? >> Sounds fishy to me... R. From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Aug 13 04:33:02 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:33:02 +0100 Subject: BS/OFF: NYC gigs Message-ID: Does anybody from the New York City area know if either The Brains Surgeons or BOC are playing around there either on september 1st or the 13th/14th sept. I might possibly be in the region on those dates and would be peeved to find I missed them. In fact the same goes for any of the Pressurehed incarnations, The Tragically Hip, Blues Traveller, etc etc ad. nauseum. I couldn't find a WWW as yet which lists gigs by area, not band, so a URL does just that would be equally useful Thanks, Tim From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Aug 12 13:04:18 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:04:18 +0100 Subject: HW : single In-Reply-To: <15895.9608121315@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <15895.9608121315 at abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes > >(Alternatively, make the Utah Saints' remix of Silver Machine the main >track, if that would grab more attention, and include USoM as an extra >track). > >Dave. I was talking to my friend at EMI today, and apparently the Utah Saint's SM is indeed being considered for single release. After I bent his ear with my potted theory how this would definatly see chart action (at least in the UK), I'm hoping this might be even more likely. -- Jon Browne From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Tue Aug 13 06:23:23 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:23:23 +1000 Subject: OFF: Re: Jeepster Message-ID: Has anyone answered Martyn's questions yet? Apologies if I've missed something... Anyway, it's a quiet evening at work so I thought I'd investigate. Beats working. Turns out that a Jeepster is a kind of Jeep (see below). Rather guessable really, especially given MB's car fixation ;-) And a MB/HW link? It seems that MB had a TV show that HW appeared on in 1977. I found this at http://www.thing.de/projekte/future/calcoll.htm " What you see above is a shot of Calvert and Adrian Shaw appearing with Hawkwind in the Marc Bolan Show, 1977, playing "Quark, Strangeness and Charm" - quite a rare TV performance of the band. " Pete. ObLP-I-Should've-Bought-When-I-Had-The-Chance: "Elysian Encounter" Baker Gurvitz Army To quote from the American Jeepster Club Web pages (http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/jeepster/jeephist.htm) : "What is a Jeepster? This is the most often heard question when the conversation turns to Jeeps and our little niche. Our Jeeps are unique and some say ugly (better looking than a Scrambler!), which is why we have provided a brief history and pictures of the Jeepster models." "First released on April 3, 1948, the Willys "VJ" Jeepster was hoped to add spice to their lineup. Unfortunately, it was not publicized adequately and sold very lightly. Having only 72 horsepower and two-wheel drive did not help sales either. Only 19,132 Jeepsters were produced over a period of less than three years. " "The Jeepster represented an effort to broaden the Willys product line, tapping into a market that was more youth-oriented than that of the Station Wagon, more urbane than that of Jeep Universal". " At 01:18 PM 7/8/96 -0400, you wrote: > While rummaging through someone elses CD collection, I >came across a greatest hits compilation for T.rex. Nostalgia trip. >Anyone remember "Metal Guru", or "Ride a White Swan". > I've always wanted to know what a Jeepster is? ;-) >To bring this on topic, I vaguely remember there being a connection >between Marc Bolan and HW. Anyone? > >Martyn > > ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "One new slave, the same old rock." - Roy Harper From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Aug 13 11:34:43 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:34:43 BST Subject: HW : single In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:04:18 +0100 Message-ID: > I was talking to my friend at EMI today, and apparently the Utah Saint's > SM is indeed being considered for single release. Presumably the will be released by EMI because the Utah Saints are signed to them? I guess this reduces the chance of including USoM, which I assume is an EBS track. Unless Astralasia are also signed to EMI. I'm glad I'm not in the music business - computers are complicated enough! Dave. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Aug 13 08:54:12 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 08:54:12 -0400 Subject: tBS spin-offs Message-ID: << Brain Sturgeons. ? >> Sounds fishy to me... couple of tBS lyrics which fit: "you smoke like a fish" (My Civilization) "now you're dead as a doornail, dead as a fish" (Most Romantic Place in the World) "the sea is fine, and so's the fish, the ocean is exciting" (Mad Dude) Hope I didn't butcher any of the lyrics too bad -- so, does Richard Meltzer have a "fish fetish"? John From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Aug 13 09:25:01 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:25:01 -0400 Subject: tBS spin-offs Message-ID: ><< Brain Sturgeons. ? >> > >Sounds fishy to me... > > >couple of tBS lyrics which fit: > >"you smoke like a fish" (My Civilization) > >"now you're dead as a doornail, dead as a fish" (Most Romantic Place >in the World) > >"the sea is fine, and so's the fish, the ocean is exciting" (Mad Dude) > >Hope I didn't butcher any of the lyrics too bad -- so, does Richard >Meltzer have a "fish fetish"? well, going back to subhuman/BOC.... "Ladies fish and gentlemen here's my Angler dream" ------ "A fish is a promise...." +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Aug 13 09:18:02 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 14:18:02 +0100 Subject: OFF : Cope In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Jerry writes >Andy, > >>Further reading: try Julian Cope's _Krautrockampler_ (in all good >>bokkstores), or my Amon Duul II page, > >Shit, this is good! I love Cope's musical / lyrical work, but now it appears >he has written a book? Hm, should get that soon! Can you give me the ISBN >please? > The Wholly Cosmic Julian H.Cope, Arch-Drude of Wessex has written a couple of books. The first volume of his autobiography "Head On" is the finest piece of rock writing ever ever ever. Better than Lester Bangs, Joe Bob, or Griel Marcus. Better than Wonderland Avenue. etc. He's nearly completed his Magnus Opus "The Modern Antiquarian" which is a complete study of stone circles, sacred sites, hill forts etc. Cope over the last few years has visited every single one of them, taken photos, grooved the vibes etc. If it's written in the same freaked out hipspeak as Head On, it'll be as entertaining as its useful. His latest single "I Come From Another Planet, Baby" is wonderful. The b-side is him ranting about Houdini and "Glambiance". The new album promises to be "A Cosmic Kundalini up the Psychic-Jaxxee" And this guy doesn't oversell himself. If he says it'll be freaked out and cosmic then it usually is. Although he's only done 15 or so albums, for me Cope is the only person whose personal mythology is as complete and compelling as the Hawks. You can order the books from K.A.K. Ltd PO Box 3823 London N8 8TQ You can also just send your name and address to KAK to receive strange postcards of Stone Circles and Julian's kids, covered in ramblings and rantings absolutely free! And with worrying regularity too! my office is covered in Cope's postcards. For those who've never heard the guy, I guess he's a bit like a post- punk Syd Barrett who never quite went over the edge. No, scratch that, he did and he's sending postcards back. A lot of his stuff is an acoustic guitar and the truth. There is a lot of full band stuff there too, but it's really Julian himself who's far-out and psychedelic rather than the Moog's he uses. Which he does. Album's to check out are "Peggy Suicide" or "Jehovahkill" a great comp is "Floored Genius". My passion for Julian Cope is only matched by my love of Hawkwind. And although they don't sound too similar, they both come from the same planet, and it ain't this one! -- Jon Browne - We talked for hours, except for the fainting - Cope From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue Aug 13 10:42:20 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 09:42:20 -0500 Subject: BS/OFF: NYC gigs In-Reply-To: bart "BS/OFF: NYC gigs" (Aug 13, 9:33am) Message-ID: bart wrote: > Does anybody from the New York City area know if either The Brains Surgeons > or BOC are playing around there either on september 1st or the 13th/14th sept. > I might possibly be in the region on those dates and would be peeved to find > I missed them. > > In fact the same goes for any of the Pressurehed incarnations, The Tragically > Hip, Blues Traveller, etc etc ad. nauseum. I couldn't find a WWW as yet > which lists gigs by area, not band, so a URL does just that would be equally > useful http://concerts.calendar.com/ Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Percentage of Americans who think oatmeal is made of wheat: 48% -- Harper's Index From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Aug 13 11:48:18 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:48:18 EST Subject: tBS spin-offs Message-ID: > >Hope I didn't butcher any of the lyrics too bad -- so, does Richard > >Meltzer have a "fish fetish"? > > Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" > Roger Shrubstaff - Random Well, I'd say he certainly has a thing for tuna... From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Aug 13 12:14:10 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:14:10 -0400 Subject: OFF: Sex and Drugs and Rock and Roll Message-ID: >From the electronic telegraph: Sex and drugs? It's only rock 'n' roll By Roger Highfield, Science Editor THERE is little or no association between sex and drugs and rock 'n' roll, according to a study unveiled yesterday to the annual meeting of the American Psychological Association in Toronto. Prof Michael Newcomb, a psychologist at the University of Southern California, gathered data on 552 people's sexual behaviour, their legal and illegal drug use and their taste in music. He also took measures of their social conformity and sensation-seeking. While low social conformity was related to more sexual behaviour and drug use, it was unrelated to rock-and-roll. On the other hand, sensation seeking was related to more drug use and rock-and-roll music, but was unrelated to sexual behaviour. After accounting for the influences of both social conformity and sensation-seeking, associations between sex, drugs and rock-and-roll all but disappeared. "The association between sex and drugs is not a direct relationship, but is explained by holding socially deviant attitudes," he said. And the supposed relationship between drugs and rock-and-roll was not a direct one either, "but rather a spurious relationship due to the need for sensation-seeking". The rising rate of adolescent suicide and the growing popularity of heavy metal music among teenagers had triggered concerns that there might be a connection. A study by Dr Karen Scheel, of the University of Iowa, found that heavy metal fans had lower scores on a questionnaire on the "Reasons for Living", indicating greater risk of suicide. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Aug 13 12:16:02 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:16:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Jeepster Message-ID: Thanks for the very complete answers! I had never thought that a jeepster was anything other than something that Marc Bolan had made up Martyn From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Aug 13 09:48:06 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 14:48:06 +0100 Subject: OFF : Cope In-Reply-To: <6850.9608131034@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: Hey Andy, Did you go to the Cope gig at the Empire last autumn? I've looked for a Cope list and not found one, any pointers? Sorry for going public here but I don't have your address! Anyway, everyone should know about Copey! -- Jon Browne From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Aug 13 13:29:12 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 13:29:12 -0400 Subject: OFF: Sex and Drugs and Rock and Roll Message-ID: "If I had more sex and drugs, I think I could do without the rock and roll." (paraphrased - Spinal Tap's drummer Mick Shrimpton in "This is Spinal Tap") From swann at MINDVOX.COM Tue Aug 13 15:34:02 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 15:34:02 -0400 Subject: BS/OFF: NYC gigs In-Reply-To: <199608130833.JAA02405@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Aug 13, 96 09:33:02 am Message-ID: bart writes: > > Does anybody from the New York City area know if either The Brains Surgeons > or BOC are playing around there either on september 1st or the 13th/14th sept. > I might possibly be in the region on those dates and would be peeved to find > I missed them. > > In fact the same goes for any of the Pressurehed incarnations, The Tragically > Hip, Blues Traveller, etc etc ad. nauseum. I couldn't find a WWW as yet > which lists gigs by area, not band, so a URL does just that would be equally > useful As much as I HATE HATE HATE HATE to say this, check the ticketmaster sight. The URL is pretty self-evident (no, not www.ticketbastard.com). Steve swann at panix.com From spacy at TELEPORT.COM Tue Aug 13 20:42:08 1996 From: spacy at TELEPORT.COM (Baron Bloom) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:42:08 -0800 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Finally I got onto Nethawks!------ Greetings! If you want to see some spacy art, you might want to take a look at my page?: http://www.teleport.com/~spacy/ ,BB http://www.teleport.com/~spacy/ ------------------------------- spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) -------------------------------- From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Wed Aug 14 09:08:41 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:08:41 -0400 Subject: HW: Vid Message-ID: Hello all, A while back I posted about identifying a vid, and with some help, I have it narrowed down to a couple possibilities. I have since gotten the tape back and I am posting the songs in order in hopes of getting a definite date and place of this show. If anyone can identify this tape I would appreciate knowing the exact date and place of the show. It starts out inside a room, what appears to be a rehersal, with Nik, Dave, Harvey, and Huw being identifiable. They are doing a practice run of MotU. It then cuts outdoors, and the contest of best chest of about 11 female contestents. Here is the songlist: Dust of Time/Waiting for Tomorrow/Ghost Dance/Psychedelic Warlords/Welcome to Utopia/Angels of Death/Shade Gate/Motorway City/Silver Machine/Brainstorm/ at this point there is some sort of drawing for some kind of prize/Ejection/ Shot Down in the Night/Master of the Universe/another drawing/Sonic Attack/ then there is some talking in which someone says " I hope your protest is successful"/Death Trap. Thanks in advance for any help identifying this. Also I recieved a vid of a Pink Floyd show, which is date stamped April 14, 1994. Does anyone have a giglist of the 94 PF tour that could tell me where this show took place? It is a very good quality vid, shot by someone rather close to the stage. Duane From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 07:26:33 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:26:33 +0100 Subject: HW : single In-Reply-To: <6850.9608131034@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <6850.9608131034 at abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes >> Jon Browne writes >> I was talking to my friend at EMI today, and apparently the Utah Saint's >> SM is indeed being considered for single release. > >Presumably the will be released by EMI because the Utah Saints are signed >to them? I guess this reduces the chance of including USoM, which I assume >is an EBS track. Unless Astralasia are also signed to EMI. I'm glad I'm >not in the music business - computers are complicated enough! > >Dave. Erm I didn't quite get the info right. I forwarded the question of EMI's involvement and recieved... >JON >if you listened to what i said you'd know that EMI were trying to see >if the single would be released by EBS not trying to release it >themselves. Sounds like he got out of bed the wrong side this morning! :) -- Jon Browne From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Wed Aug 14 16:26:09 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 16:26:09 +-100 Subject: Vid Message-ID: You say you have narrowed it down to a short list already so maybe this is no help but, from my experience I would say this sounds like any of the bike rallies I have been to with the exception that Hawkwind don't usually turn up. Shame! Mike P ---------- From: Duane Hoyt[SMTP:aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 1996 02:08 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: HW: Vid Hello all, A while back I posted about identifying a vid, and with some help, I have it narrowed down to a couple possibilities. I have since gotten the tape back and I am posting the songs in order in hopes of getting a definite date and place of this show. If anyone can identify this tape I would appreciate knowing the exact date and place of the show. It starts out inside a room, what appears to be a rehersal, with Nik, Dave, Harvey, and Huw being identifiable. They are doing a practice run of MotU. It then cuts outdoors, and the contest of best chest of about 11 female contestents. Here is the songlist: Dust of Time/Waiting for Tomorrow/Ghost Dance/Psychedelic Warlords/Welcome to Utopia/Angels of Death/Shade Gate/Motorway City/Silver Machine/Brainstorm/ at this point there is some sort of drawing for some kind of prize/Ejection/ Shot Down in the Night/Master of the Universe/another drawing/Sonic Attack/ then there is some talking in which someone says " I hope your protest is successful"/Death Trap. Thanks in advance for any help identifying this. Also I recieved a vid of a Pink Floyd show, which is date stamped April 14, 1994. Does anyone have a giglist of the 94 PF tour that could tell me where this show took place? It is a very good quality vid, shot by someone rather close to the stage. 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M04[1!)#G&U!4\ 1P('$H<7X!3N3['6$%0&(>F)NP% ``@PP.*9\>F)NP$>`#T``0````4```!213H@`````#1Z ` end From stayer at PI.NET Wed Aug 14 02:51:24 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:51:24 PDT Subject: tBS spin-offs Message-ID: Andrew said: >"Ladies fish and gentlemen >here's my Angler dream" I hope this is a joke I don't understand with my level of English, or it will be the beginning of an endless thread. I thought it was 'angled dream'... Jerry From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Aug 14 11:45:27 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 11:45:27 -0400 Subject: HW: R. Calvert...8 years on... In-Reply-To: <199608141308.AA15179@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Aug 14, 96 09:08:41 am Message-ID: Hi Folks.... Well, today is the Eighth Anniversary of the untimely demise of one Captain Lockheed, so everyone should pull out their 'Tales from Atomhenge' CD's or Quark at least and give it a spin in remembrance. It's commonly asked, 'Do you remember where you were when JFK was shot'?? or other similar scale events. I'd have to ask my mom on this one, as I was yet to be born (although I was a fetus then). But I remember where/how I first learned of the Challenger explosion. And I certainly *do* remember where I was when I learned of Bob Calvert's death. It was in Chris' Warped Records in Lakewood, OH (the only time I was ever in there I believe), flipping through the music magazines, when I saw it in a small news caption in one of them. I'd say this was probably at least a month afterwards. I guess nowadays I'd have learned of it within 24 hours, due to this newsgroup. Anybody else remember where they were?? Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Boy, it's been pretty quiet here the past week...everybody must be going on holiday again. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 14 11:58:09 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 11:58:09 -0400 Subject: tBS spin-offs Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-14 11:50:52 EDT, you write: << Andrew said: >"Ladies fish and gentlemen >here's my Angler dream" I hope this is a joke I don't understand with my level of English, or it will be the beginning of an endless thread. I thought it was 'angled dream'... >> I believe it is "Angled Dream"... R. From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Aug 14 12:32:42 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 18:32:42 +0200 Subject: HW: Vid Message-ID: Hi Duane The video you're talking about is: CRICKETT ST. THOMAS, WILDLIFE PARK, 04.JUNE.1983 Here is the right track list: 04.06.83, CRICKET ST. THOMAS, WILDLIFE PARK, 90 intro / coded languages / magnu / dust of time / waiting for tomorrow / ghost dance / psychedelic warlords / utopia / angels of death / motorway city / silver machine / brainstorm / ejection / shot down in the night / master of the universe / jam / master of the universe / death trap / sonic attack Hope that helps Bernhard From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Aug 14 12:43:12 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:43:12 PDT Subject: HW: R. Calvert...8 years on... In-Reply-To: <199608141545.LAA16361@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>; from "Keith A Henderson" at Aug 14, 96 11:45 am Message-ID: > > Hi Folks.... > > Well, today is the Eighth Anniversary of the untimely demise of one Captain > Lockheed, so everyone should pull out their 'Tales from Atomhenge' CD's or > Quark at least and give it a spin in remembrance. > > It's commonly asked, 'Do you remember where you were when JFK was shot'?? or > other similar scale events. I'd have to ask my mom on this one, as I was yet > to be born (although I was a fetus then). But I remember where/how I first > learned of the Challenger explosion. And I certainly *do* remember where I was > when I learned of Bob Calvert's death. It was in Chris' Warped Records in > Lakewood, OH (the only time I was ever in there I believe), flipping through > the music magazines, when I saw it in a small news caption in one of them. I'd > say this was probably at least a month afterwards. I guess nowadays I'd have > learned of it within 24 hours, due to this newsgroup. > > Anybody else remember where they were?? > > Keith H. (FAA) > > P.S. Boy, it's been pretty quiet here the past week...everybody must be going > on holiday again. > Well. I probably didn't know of his demise until many months, if not _years_ afterwards. (Remember, this was before I was Net-savvy and HW info in the US was damn-near non-existant.) I was at a family gathering and a freind of the family's wife brought over a book that had important dates for various rock bands in it (can't remember the title). Flipping to the HW entry, I was shocked and dismayed to find that Capt. Lockheed had taken his final flight. Bummed me right out... I noticed the lack of traffic, too. Thought something was broken... objCDPlayer: one of five German synth CD (I think its' Kistenmacher & Grosskopfs' CHARECTERS...). It is _so_ nice to be permanently telecommuting...:-) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Aug 14 12:59:21 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:59:21 -0400 Subject: HW: R. Calvert...8 years on... Message-ID: I hope that people don't think me morbidly curious but what was the cause of calverts death? Martyn From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Aug 14 13:55:33 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:55:33 EST Subject: tBS spin-offs Message-ID: > << Andrew said: > > >"Ladies fish and gentlemen > >here's my Angler dream" > > I hope this is a joke I don't understand with my level of English, or it > will > be the beginning of an endless thread. > I thought it was 'angled dream'... > >> > > I believe it is "Angled Dream"... > > R. It's obvious you dudes don't tune in to the boob-tube on saturday mornings, or you'd know that an angler is a fisherman! Vain Surgeons: tBS 10 years ago, in a poodle-hair band Grain Surgeons: tBS headlining Farm Aid Seine Surgeons: tBS on the Left Bank, or as ANGLERS From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Aug 14 13:46:55 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:46:55 -0400 Subject: OFF: Making Trepanation look tame! Message-ID: UK News Wednesday August 14 1996 Issue 450 Festival to see first show of art and grafts By Nigel Reynolds, Arts Correspondent THE Edinburgh Festival, the launch pad of many acts, may claim another first of questionable taste next week when three "surgically altered" actors stage unannounced street performances. The actors have been having secret cosmetic surgery in America for the past year. Two have had pieces of coral grafted on to their bones to give them devil's horns, a tail and porcupine quills. A third has had a spiked metal plate implanted in his head, giving him, effectively, a metallic Mohican Indian haircut. Jim Rose, the American circus freak show producer, who commissioned the operations, said yesterday it was the first time that coral grafts, used in conventional surgery to strengthen bone, had been carried out in the name of art. Bone grows slowly around the coral implants. Mr Rose said that the actors' "tails", "devil's horns" and "quills" were now growing at the rate of an-inch-and-a-half a year. "I think it's for others, not me, to do the worrying about the ethics of it," said Mr Rose. "They are volunteers who all come from families with money and they don't need to look for normal kinds of employment. Any kind of new art should always be shown first in Edinburgh." From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Aug 14 14:58:18 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:58:18 -0500 Subject: OFF : Cope Message-ID: On 13-AUG-1996 09:45:30.1 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >For those who've never heard the guy, I guess he's a bit like a post- >punk Syd Barrett who never quite went over the edge. No, scratch that, >he did and he's sending postcards back. A lot of his stuff is an >acoustic guitar and the truth. There is a lot of full band stuff there >too, but it's really Julian himself who's far-out and psychedelic rather >than the Moog's he uses. Which he does. >Album's to check out are "Peggy Suicide" or "Jehovahkill" >a great comp is "Floored Genius". >My passion for Julian Cope is only matched by my love of Hawkwind. >And although they don't sound too similar, they both come from the same >planet, and it ain't this one! >-- >Jon Browne >- We talked for hours, except for the fainting - Cope All I've ever heard by Cope is "I Have Always Been Here Before", a Roky Erikson song on the Erikson tribute album, and it's fantastic. Is this anything like his own stuff? Chuck `[1;36;43mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Aug 14 14:05:55 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 14:05:55 -0400 Subject: HW: R. Calvert...8 years on... In-Reply-To: <9608141659.AA14368@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Martyn White wonders: > I hope that people don't think me morbidly curious > but what was the cause of calverts death? I may be wrong, but I think it was a fatal heart attack. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _YCDTOSA 2_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Aug 14 14:46:49 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 20:46:49 +0200 Subject: HW: heep and the hawk Message-ID: just want to say that I found a hawkwind reference in the uriah heep world: this gig (taken from Bernhard's list) Colchester Technical Col 19-Feb-71 Fri BR/OL/TU/DI/CB have I also found at this page: http://www.tulsa.com/~jesse/heepgigs.txt with this line: 1971/02/19 Tech College, Colchester (w/ Hawkwind) so I suggest Bernhard to add the line "w/ Uriah Heep"... this pagemaker (~jesse) has done a similar job like Bernhard's, and if you have a slightest interest of Byron, Box and Hensly - visit his work. \\joe From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Aug 14 14:54:24 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 18:54:24 UT Subject: OFF : Cope Message-ID: Chuck asked: All I've ever heard by Cope is "I Have Always Been Here Before", a Roky Erikson song on the Erikson tribute album, and it's fantastic. Is this anything like his own stuff? Sort of! Try _Jehovahkill_ (unless you're going to be offended by lyrics like "That'll be the deicide", that is :). ObHW: Cope on Krautrock: "A sort of very fit Hawkwind without the Doomsday Science-Fiction... it was transcendental Cosmic Fuck-rock played by Superfit amphetamine Visionary Poet-Druids and always had an attitude-to-the-Moooon!" - Andy From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Aug 14 15:15:50 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:15:50 PDT Subject: HW: R. Calvert...8 years on... In-Reply-To: ; from "Paul Mather" at Aug 14, 96 2:05 pm Message-ID: > > On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Martyn White wonders: > > > I hope that people don't think me morbidly curious > > but what was the cause of calverts death? > > I may be wrong, but I think it was a fatal heart attack. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > > obCD: Frank Zappa, _YCDTOSA 2_ > > e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. > Paul is correct. He died at home. obCD: Steve Roach: NOW/TRAVELLER -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Aug 14 21:34:34 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 18:34:34 -0700 Subject: HW: R. Calvert...8 years on... Message-ID: >Anybody else remember where they were?? > Phantasy Theatre HW gig in '89. From the lips of Baron Brock himself... Wylie From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Aug 15 01:01:00 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 01:01:00 -0400 Subject: HW: R. Calvert...8 years on... Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-14 12:45:09 EDT, you write: > Anybody else remember where they were?? >> I was in a stall in the ladies room at the Ritz in NYC (old Studio 54) with my wife and a girl who was touring with HW from the UK -The Zenon Codex Tour- when I was told. Pretty shocking stuff as was the news that Simon House and Huwey were not with the band. regards, Bill Stewart PS hey rj , how is it you can go to England at the drop of a hat but gettin you to come to NY is like pullin teeth. Do I have to have HW play in my living room? ;-)) From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Thu Aug 15 08:36:52 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 08:36:52 +-100 Subject: HW: Vid Message-ID: Well, I guess that the answer to "where can I get a copy?" is going to be a stony silence. But since I was ever the optimist, where can I get a copy?? PS Thanks for the details on the book Jill, I now have a print and am working through it. It only took a couple of days to arrive! Mike P. ---------- From: Bernhard Pospiech[SMTP:b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 1996 05:32 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW: Vid Hi Duane The video you're talking about is: CRICKETT ST. THOMAS, WILDLIFE PARK, 04.JUNE.1983 Here is the right track list: 04.06.83, CRICKET ST. 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UK News Wednesday August 14 1996 Issue 450 Festival to see first show of art and grafts By Nigel Reynolds, Arts Correspondent THE Edinburgh Festival, the launch pad of many acts, may claim another first of questionable taste next week when three "surgically altered" actors stage unannounced street performances. The actors have been having secret cosmetic surgery in America for the past year. Two have had pieces of coral grafted on to their bones to give them devil's horns, a tail and porcupine quills. A third has had a spiked metal plate implanted in his head, giving him, effectively, a metallic Mohican Indian haircut. Jim Rose, the American circus freak show producer, who commissioned the operations, said yesterday it was the first time that coral grafts, used in conventional surgery to strengthen bone, had been carried out in the name of art. Bone grows slowly around the coral implants. 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"$'(#@5U0DUP4$8!V'K!B M?PGA81(<8A&P!0!>806@<_L'@#A at 8QWP4J$$D$: "X#]1.A!!X @`AUQ!< @ MTUB!J"!Y90K +AR0=TN at _V$C$8 ;\#D!7R$=P at 6A!T#_1.A-8PF '< @L4N@ M(-%,$/\?83)A2X):\&%!(-%6< VP>6'@;"=A`06P`( >8&&/6;D+<"!$4"!R M8W4Y`/1`Q!L7T 4L"#!3!#_&_ 1@&$"&_!DT!_ (G%=>?]BT2 Q"U%8 MH0=P"U$",&C1[R"A+ !A`6709!Y@:E$<8ODL`&TL1. at -P2:!:F%;0,]KP7!4 M) !C$$UO+ `@('T#H$D=H D?<_PT]! M'@!I&_!EP!/!"R#_1G$L$!TS(-%$Z$P$.& '@/\@P3_ 9X1-51Y@,Q!QE 6@ M_FYA0 (P5_)GV6,V2Y)>,?\9$"#1`Z!IPAY at 9K)A")= MB7W"@), at TEP$YB<><&R286K[6^'[':!$YR)MQ%O@'P%8L4R!?XG2'&*- MU7TAA^)$Z !P+5L+@!%P+2!AE* M$8!LTTS!9;4B26Y2;D!0+!#_:T%D\E:S M3T%6H6_*4W%+H/YD:4,=,$_1'B(>P ;@'+'?(-(1P'6!.5,L$"Q;X'VS?XQ0 M1.AX(I7!'I&*@AZP=O\&\%/P$]"7,7L"6V$#('OA_TOA`V$X7\#(!Q13S!$Z!PA M$^ +4&__!L P(6XA5-&C There was a short obituary in the Guardian newspaper - I don't read the Guardian, myself, but a friend who does rang me up straightaway. He sent me the clipping: --- Robert Calvert, 43: songwriter, performer and playwright who in the course of a brilliant though erratic career published two volumes of poetry (Centigrade 232 and The Earth Ritual). He made five record albums, and there were also five plays and performances. To his fans, the lean whirlwind figure onstage, singing with a band or performing in his own plays or cabaret, gave the impression of ferocious talent or energy. But people who knew him will remember his humour, his tolerance, his gift for friendship and nonsense, and an almost Pooter-like attachment to quiet domesticity. - H.B. --- My guess (but it's only that) is that "H.B." is Hilary Bailey. The most obvious thing about this notice is the absence of the word "Hawkwind", which maybe suggests some bad blood right up to the end. Which would be sad. - Andy From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 15 10:29:59 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:29:59 BST Subject: HW: Calvert obit In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Thu, 15 Aug 1996 07:50:32 UT Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > There was a short obituary in the Guardian newspaper - I don't read the > Guardian, myself, but a friend who does rang me up straightaway. > My guess (but it's only that) is that "H.B." is Hilary Bailey. The most > obvious thing about this notice is the absence of the word "Hawkwind", which > maybe suggests some bad blood right up to the end. Which would be sad. > Not necessarily, I'd guess - I always thought he'd been planning a link-up between Capt. Lockheed and the StarFighters and Hawkwind just before he died. I'd be more inclined to suspect that the Grauniad being (as it is) a middle-class guardian of moral taste and values, it was considered impolitic to mention that Calvert had a close connection with a space rock band of dubious reputation. perhaps? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu Aug 15 08:44:10 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 08:44:10 -0400 Subject: HW: Vid Message-ID: In the event anyone is interested, the HW vid is the poor copy, the Pink Floyd vid is very good. I have since found out the PF vid is from San Diego. Duane From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 15 16:10:48 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:10:48 BST Subject: HW: R. Calvert...8 years on... In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:59:21 -0400 Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > I hope that people don't think me morbidly curious > but what was the cause of calverts death? Heart attack. And of course it's worse in that he was discussing rejoining the band. > Martyn FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 15 16:13:24 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:13:24 BST Subject: HW: R. Calvert...8 years on... In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Thu, 15 Aug 1996 01:01:00 -0400 Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > PS hey rj , how is it you can go to England at the drop of a hat but gettin > you to come to NY is like pullin teeth. Do I have to have HW play in my > living room? ;-)) Get Hawkwind to do a gig in your living room and I'll come to visit :-) FoFP From stayer at PI.NET Thu Aug 15 03:26:47 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:26:47 PDT Subject: Angle(d/r) Dream Message-ID: >>Andrew said: >> >"Ladies fish and gentlemen >> >here's my Angler dream" >> >>Jerry replied: >> I hope this is a joke I don't understand with my level of English, or it >> will >> be the beginning of an endless thread. >> I thought it was 'angled dream'... >> >>Ric confirmed: >> I believe it is "Angled Dream"... But Theo stated: >It's obvious you dudes don't tune in to the boob-tube on saturday >mornings, or you'd know that an angler is a fisherman! I seem to remember the "official" lyrics book states 'angled'... Jerry From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Aug 15 12:43:58 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:43:58 -0400 Subject: Angle(d/r) Dream Message-ID: >>>Andrew said: >>> >"Ladies fish and gentlemen >>> >here's my Angler dream" >>> >>>Jerry replied: >>> I hope this is a joke I don't understand with my level of English, or it >>> will >>> be the beginning of an endless thread. >>> I thought it was 'angled dream'... >>> >>>Ric confirmed: >>> I believe it is "Angled Dream"... > >But Theo stated: >>It's obvious you dudes don't tune in to the boob-tube on saturday >>mornings, or you'd know that an angler is a fisherman! > >I seem to remember the "official" lyrics book states 'angled'... sheez. I stated the original misquote. It was a JOKE!! Brain Sturegeons? Angler??? I know it's Angled.... Here's my Mangled Scream: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Aug 15 04:49:45 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:49:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Bill's Living Room! In-Reply-To: <960815010059_501769448@emout15.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In message <960815010059_501769448 at emout15.mail.aol.com>, Bill Stewart writes >PS hey rj , how is it you can go to England at the drop of a hat but gettin >you to come to NY is like pullin teeth. Do I have to have HW play in my >living room? ;-)) Hey Bill, Get that one together, *I'll* come to NYC! -- Jon Browne From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Thu Aug 15 15:38:35 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:38:35 -0400 Subject: Angle(d/r) Dream Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-15 12:47:07 EDT, you write: << sheez. I stated the original misquote. It was a JOKE!! Brain Sturegeons? Angler??? I know it's Angled.... Here's my Mangled Scream: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> HEY!! We take our Brains SERIOUSLY around here... ;-) R. From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Aug 15 15:23:18 1996 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:23:18 +0100 Subject: HW: Discography Message-ID: I got a note from Adrian Parr last weekend, here it is almost verbatim; -------- Hawkwind : Solo and Related Discography Over 600 Entries Comprehensive chronological Worldwide Discography of Hawlwind - Solo & Related releases on vinyl & CD, with details of tracks, cat No's, line ups, recording studios and the dates, sleeve variations, bonus tracks and a selection of ads. Prices UK (UKP) 4.00 by cheque or postal order Europe (UKP) 4.50 by IMO or $8 in USA dollar bills ELsewhere (UKP) 5.00 by IMO or $9 in USA dollar bills Make payment out to A. Parr and if cash please conceal well Hawkeye 6 due August 1996 Also Available Hawkwind and Related Fanzine "HAWKEYE" No 3, 4, 5 (UKP) 2.50 each Hawkwind gig book "Roadhawks Live 1969 - 1995" (UKP) 5.50 Also Hawkwind Book Preparation for a hawkwind collectors and information book is underway. If you have worked or played with hawkwind or related spin off bands, have recollections, rare releases, written material, press cuttings, other items or details, please reply or write for more information. Address for both these is Adrian Parr 6 Conifers Close Teddington Middlesex TW11 9JG UK ------ I hope nobody minds the advertising David From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Aug 15 15:23:40 1996 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:23:40 +0100 Subject: HW : Liquid Len Message-ID: This months Q (the one dated September) has a little bit on Liquid Len in it ( - page 88 - ) including a picture here is the text; In the days when a row of 15 150 watt domestic light bulbs served as a light show for Traffic. Jonathon Smeeton was the man with his finger on the jury-rigged , gaffa-taped button. Smeeton festooned the 1970 Bath Festival with three mniles of Christmas tree lights, and it was Smeeton who made the cup of tea that soothed Frank Zappa's pain when he was pulled off the stage of the Rainbow by an irate fan. "People got to know about me partly because I operated under a very memorable name, Liquid Len and the Lensmen, " he demurs, "but it's also true that whatever the state of the art of stage lighting is at any given time, I'm in the thick of it" Peter Gabriel's set on the So tour with it' slong-reach cranes and replica Giant's Causeway was realised by Smeeton, as was the memorable hydraulic carousel set used by Phil Collins on the Serious tour. Long esconsed in Laurel Canyon and working mostly in America, Smeeton is the soul of discretion when it comes to the misdemeanours of his employers, from the Stone Roses through Def Leppard, George Michael and Bryan Ferry, but he is prepared to admit that it all hasn't been a bed of roses. Who was difficult ? "Nobody really." he says, but he can hardly have been chuffed to bits with Van Morrison during the Hard Nose Highway tour when, after setting up a particularly complex lighting rig to Morrison's exacting specifications in Birmingham City Hall, the Belfast Nightingale elected to warble the entire concert from the stalls. And something about Jon "I want it blue and I want it now" Anderson clearly got to him when he worked with Yes. Even now, he seems to reserve his special affections for the group he became most closely identified with in the 70's, Hawkwind. "I built their first lighting rig in the projection room of the Electric Cinema in Portobello Road, where I worked at the time. Once in Liverpool they played in a wrestling ring and the dry ice machines went wonky. We lost them. I can still remember the drummer, Simon King, waving goodbye as they disappeared into the fog for 10 minutes." --- From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Aug 15 17:05:00 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:05:00 +0000 Subject: Angle(d/r) Dream Message-ID: Jerry wrote: > But Theo stated: > >It's obvious you dudes don't tune in to the boob-tube on saturday > >mornings, or you'd know that an angler is a fisherman! > > I seem to remember the "official" lyrics book states 'angled'... > > Jerry well,i always thought it was "idle dream". guess i need to listen more closely.. rj From wiandrew at COPPER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Fri Aug 16 02:04:01 1996 From: wiandrew at COPPER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Wian Chao Drew) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 01:04:01 -0500 Subject: Angle(d/r) Dream In-Reply-To: <321390FC.4CD9@erols.com> from "SKARSOL" at Aug 15, 96 09:05:00 pm Message-ID: > > Jerry wrote: > > > But Theo stated: > > >It's obvious you dudes don't tune in to the boob-tube on saturday > > >mornings, or you'd know that an angler is a fisherman! > > > > I seem to remember the "official" lyrics book states 'angled'... > > > > Jerry > > well,i always thought it was "idle dream". guess i need to listen more > closely.. rj > I could be on another planet, but in the fishing sense, "angled" sometimes refers to things drug up from the ocean floor. Maybe. From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Aug 16 09:32:28 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:32:28 BST Subject: HW: Lemmy in Loaded Message-ID: There's a three-page interview with Lemmy in this month's Loaded magazine. There's not much about Hawkwind there, but they've compiled a "10 things you didn't know about Lemmy" the first of which says that he wasn't a permanent member of Hawkwind when he was sacked. Is this true? I'd have typed the others in, but I left the mag at home. bye - Rob From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 16 11:43:32 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:43:32 BST Subject: HW: Lemmy in Loaded In-Reply-To: Rob's message of Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:32:28 BST Message-ID: Rob writes: > There's a three-page interview with Lemmy in this month's Loaded > magazine. There's not much about Hawkwind there, but they've compiled > a "10 things you didn't know about Lemmy" the first of which says that > he wasn't a permanent member of Hawkwind when he was sacked. > Is this true? I'd have typed the others in, but I left the mag at > home. > I'm not entirely sure how many of the band could have been considered "permanent" members in the early 70s! - at least according to the various histories I've read - even Dave Brock had to call off sick on a couple of occasions so it's possible that some folk were more often not there than there on many gigs. Unreliable, I think is the phrase usually employed. But, yeah, I had always thought of Lemmy as being one of the full-time band members up until his departure. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From makila at CSC.FI Fri Aug 16 07:00:00 1996 From: makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:00:00 +0300 Subject: HW: Lemmy in Loaded In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:43:32 -0000." <9608161143.aa25926@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Jill's message dated: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:43:32 -0000 > > I'm not entirely sure how many of the band could have been considered > "permanent" members in the early 70s! - at least according to the various > histories I've read - even Dave Brock had to call off sick on a couple of > occasions so it's possible that some folk were more often not there than > there on many gigs. Unreliable, I think is the phrase usually employed. >From the histories I've read the impression is that for the usual definition of ``there'', they just simply weren't. You know, e.g., Dik Mik commenting ``My head was everywhere except on this planet'' etc. //niko From wildcat at PRYSM.NET Fri Aug 16 04:24:18 1996 From: wildcat at PRYSM.NET (Jonathan M Thompson) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:24:18 +0000 Subject: off: Singapore Message-ID: > Hawkwind will ever play there. I doubt they will ever play > in Singapore either, as most their hairstyles would probably > be against the law as well. I was there and had my hair to the middle of my back. Singapore has death for "Drug Dealers" you are shot on site no if, ands or buts. As far as everything else HW will probably not play there because of the mind set of the Government of Singapore not for any other reason. That was my $0.02. Jonathan M. Thompson, SCA: Jonathan MacAlpine wildcat at prysm.net Keeper of the Battletech Mailing List - email btech at prysm.net to subsribe "I am Albion, Herne's son is my master. I will not harm him" - [ROS] (To the best of my memory) From stayer at PI.NET Fri Aug 16 02:35:30 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:35:30 PDT Subject: Angle(d/r) Dream Message-ID: >>>>Andrew said: >>>> >"Ladies fish and gentlemen >>>> >here's my Angler dream" >>>> >>>>Jerry replied: >>>> I hope this is a joke I don't understand with my level of English, or >>>> it will >>>> be the beginning of an endless thread. >>>> I thought it was 'angled dream'... >>>> >>>>Ric confirmed: >>>> I believe it is "Angled Dream"... >> >>But Theo stated: >>>It's obvious you dudes don't tune in to the boob-tube on saturday >>>mornings, or you'd know that an angler is a fisherman! >> >>I seem to remember the "official" lyrics book states 'angled'... And the Andrew confessed: >sheez. I stated the original misquote. It was a JOKE!! >Brain Sturegeons? Angler??? I know it's Angled.... This is what I was afraid of all the time. You should have said so. My English is not like yours, it's not my first language. I warned you all for an endless thread! :-) Well, this is the end of the endless thread, then... Jerry From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Aug 16 04:48:29 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 09:48:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Discography In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , David Jones writes >I hope nobody minds the advertising > >David Not at all. I sent for my discog a week or so ago, oddly enough. Did the note come in the post or did you see Ade at a gig or something? I'm looking forward to seeing how desparately incomplete my Kollection is! -- Jon Browne From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Aug 16 14:32:09 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:32:09 -0400 Subject: Angle(d/r) Dream In-Reply-To: from "Jerry" at Aug 15, 96 11:35:30 pm Message-ID: Jerry writes: > > This is what I was afraid of all the time. You should have said so. My > English is not like yours, it's not my first language. Yes, it's rather too good, it clearly marks you as a foreigner. :-) Steve swann at panix.com From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Aug 16 14:55:51 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 14:55:51 -0400 Subject: Live '76 video stuff Message-ID: I picked up this video a few months back and, despite occasional feedback/sound problems, highly enjoy it, recommend it, etc. I got it for about $20 at Best Buy, they had a few in stock (all gone now..) A few notes/observations (coming from someone who never saw them until last year...) Albert wore a nifty hat that fell off a couple of times (especially during the 5-guitar version of TAtSoL)... I liked his drum solo a lot, it wasn't a speed drum solo like many you see nowadays, it had a very paced rhythmic feel to it, and produced at times almost a puckering sound... very unique. None of the live CDs had a drum solo on them... Joe does a nice effective mic sound effect during the chorus of ME-262, it sounds really effective and I can't recall hearing it on any other versions of the song (including OYFOOYK)... anyone know if this is something they just did around that time? (well, clearly Danny didn't when I saw them last year....) Nice laser show... oh, yeah, great Astronomy, at times it so perfectly subtle yet clear, for one stretch there was no sound at all except Buck's individual strings... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Aug 16 15:20:54 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:20:54 -0400 Subject: Angle(d/r) Dream Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-16 14:33:29 EDT, you write: << Jerry writes: > > This is what I was afraid of all the time. You should have said so. My > English is not like yours, it's not my first language. >> Jerry, your english is better than my (insert name of ANY non-english language here)!! R. From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Aug 16 15:50:48 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:50:48 -0400 Subject: Angle(d/r) Dream Message-ID: >In a message dated 96-08-16 14:33:29 EDT, you write: > ><< Jerry writes: > > > > This is what I was afraid of all the time. You should have said so. My > > English is not like yours, it's not my first language. > >> > >Jerry, your english is better than my (insert name of ANY non-english >language here)!! On the language subject, anyone have the lyrics for Ciudades y Navidades? from the COC tape (which I joined the list just too late to get in on... grrrrr), Spanish was my first tongue (though by no means primary any more) and I've been dying to hear this... many of my friends who speak english as a second language can understand spoken english just fine but have a horrible time hearing sung lyrics, and I would like to have them take a listen to this some time.... +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From ROBOdewd at AOL.COM Fri Aug 16 17:06:11 1996 From: ROBOdewd at AOL.COM (ROBOdewd at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:06:11 -0400 Subject: tBS spin-offs Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-12 15:11:40 EDT, you write: << I think I might be repeating a couple of band names, but with [I hope] different definitions: Cane Surgeons: Al and Deb caught grafitti-ing in Singapore [or is it Malaysia?] >> neither...it's Los Angeles, California! how about the "Cobain Surgeons" - Al and Deb on a euthanasia expedition ROBO From ROBOdewd at AOL.COM Fri Aug 16 17:06:20 1996 From: ROBOdewd at AOL.COM (ROBOdewd at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:06:20 -0400 Subject: BS/OFF: NYC gigs Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-13 04:37:19 EDT, you write: << In fact the same goes for any of the Pressurehed incarnations, The Tragically Hip, Blues Traveller, etc etc ad. nauseum. I couldn't find a WWW as yet which lists gigs by area, not band, so a URL does just that would be equally useful Thanks, Tim >> how about Musi-Cal Concert Search on the Web? ROBO From stayer at PI.NET Sat Aug 17 02:54:56 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:54:56 PDT Subject: Angle(d/r) Dream Message-ID: ><< Jerry writes: > > > > This is what I was afraid of all the time. You should have said so. My > > English is not like yours, it's not my first language. > >> Rocker22 comforts: >Jerry, your english is better than my (insert name of ANY non-english >language here)!! Thanks, although it's still not good enough, or should I say not updated enough, to understand a number of jokes. Too bad, but I'm still learning. You people teach me something new every day! :-) No matter how bad my English is, it always feels good to hear a person whose first language /is/ English, say that it's still better than his or her (insert name of ANY non-English language here)... :-))) Jerry From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Fri Aug 16 20:57:54 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (simon) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 01:57:54 +0100 Subject: HW: Lemmy in Loaded In-Reply-To: <9608161143.aa25926@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Reply to J Strobridge about Re: HW: Lemmy in Loaded >Rob writes: >> There's a three-page interview with Lemmy in this month's Loaded >> magazine. There's not much about Hawkwind there, but they've compiled >> a "10 things you didn't know about Lemmy" the first of which says that >> he wasn't a permanent member of Hawkwind when he was sacked. >> Is this true? I'd have typed the others in, but I left the mag at >> home. >> >I'm not entirely sure how many of the band could have been considered >"permanent" members in the early 70s! - at least according to the various >histories I've read - even Dave Brock had to call off sick on a couple of >occasions so it's possible that some folk were more often not there than >there on many gigs. Unreliable, I think is the phrase usually employed. >But, yeah, I had always thought of Lemmy as being one of the full-time >band members up until his departure. >jill I read in several places that Lemmy joined on six months probation and ended up staying years. He was never officially asked to join as such. This might be what they are refering to. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Fri Aug 16 22:30:33 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 21:30:33 -0500 Subject: OFF:Steve Tibbits Message-ID: I've been looking for some CD's (or vinyl) of early (first 3) albums by a guy from Minneapolis Minnesota named Steve Tibbits (spelling?) I know that his 2nd and 3rd album made it to CD (I used to have them, but that's another lllooonnnggg story ;-} I've never seen any of his stuff here in Chicago stores. His first album is self titled but he spelled his last name differently on that disk that on his later ones (varied number of B's and T's in his last name) Anyone that can pass on some info to me will receive high praise and many thanks. (I'll think about naming a first born after you ;-) -- "Illiteracy is the ultimate form of censorship. You do not need to burn a book or ban a book if someone cannot read it." Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6134 From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Aug 17 09:32:21 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 23:32:21 +1000 Subject: Live '76 video stuff In-Reply-To: <199608161855.OAA04870@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > I picked up this video a few months back and, despite occasional > feedback/sound problems, highly enjoy it, recommend it, etc. I got it for > about $20 at Best Buy, they had a few in stock (all gone now..) > None of the live CDs had a drum solo on them... THANK GOD! Troy From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Sat Aug 17 11:40:29 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:40:29 -0400 Subject: Angle(d/r) Dream Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-16 19:40:20 EDT, you write: << ><< Jerry writes: > > > > This is what I was afraid of all the time. You should have said so. My > > English is not like yours, it's not my first language. > >> Rocker22 comforts: >Jerry, your english is better than my (insert name of ANY non-english >language here)!! Thanks, although it's still not good enough, or should I say not updated enough, to understand a number of jokes. Too bad, but I'm still learning. You people teach me something new every day! :-) No matter how bad my English is, it always feels good to hear a person whose first language /is/ English, say that it's still better than his or her (insert name of ANY non-English language here)... :-))) >> Jerry, if we were trying to communicate using my knowledge of your language, we would be limited to hand signs. Try THAT over the internet!! It's only through your "bad" english that we are able to understand each other. I have no complaints about your english... R. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Aug 17 13:18:23 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:18:23 +0100 Subject: Angle(d/r) Dream In-Reply-To: <960817114027_261905591@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In message <960817114027_261905591 at emout16.mail.aol.com>, Rocker22 at AOL.COM writes > No matter how bad my English is, it always feels good to hear a person whose > first language /is/ English, say that it's still better than his or her > (insert name of ANY non-English language here)... :-))) > >> I know several people for whom English is a second language who are more articulate than many people for whom English is their *only* language! -- Jon Browne From stayer at PI.NET Sat Aug 17 15:25:31 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:25:31 PDT Subject: OFF:Steve Tibbits Message-ID: Hi Edward, >His first album is self titled but he spelled his last name differently >on that disk that on his later ones (varied number of B's and T's in his >last name) Because of my work with Background Magazine (devoted to progressive rock), I know of Steve Tibbets. We did a review of his self-titled album from 1977. I don't know whether this is his first album or not. It's only 34 minutes long, re-released on CD in 1995 by Cuneiform Records (cat# 55009). Cuneiform Records P.O. Box 8427 Silver Spring MD 20907-8427 USA Maybe some info from the review will tell you whether it's his first album or not. 1977, Tim Weinhold on percussion, music is a mix of nice acoustic guitar, some keyboards and a lot of tape effects, nine songs, song title: 'Jungle Rhythm', song title: 'How Do You Like My Buddah'. >Anyone that can pass on some info to me will receive high praise and many >thanks. (I'll think about naming a first born after you ;-) The review wasn't that good, but that's a matter of taste. However, "of average amateur hometaping level" doesn't sound veyr promising. Hope I could be of any help. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sun Aug 18 01:31:38 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 22:31:38 PDT Subject: OFF: English Message-ID: Jerry says to Rocker22: >>No matter how bad my English is, it always feels good to hear a person >>first language /is/ English, say that it's still better than his or her >>(insert name of ANY non-English language here)... :-))) Jon Browse states: >I know several people for whom English is a second language who are more >articulate than many people for whom English is their *only* language! I think this is because when English is being taught as a second language, the way of teaching is different. I know Dutch people who know the rules to English grammar, but keep making the same mistakes in Dutch, their first language, over and over again. Ah well, we learn to communicate - that's what we do. As long as anyone understands what I say, it should be okay. But actually - I'd like to learn more. Jerry Latest pick-up line that worked: "I was about to say something highly romantic, but the deafening impact of your stunning beauty made me forget everyhting that was not remotely connected to any part of your divine physique..." From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sat Aug 17 19:19:37 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 19:19:37 -0400 Subject: HW: Happiness is... a package of remasters! Message-ID: I'm beginning to think that maybe someone up there likes me after all! Amidst the stark, desolate, incessant misery of studying for next week's qualifying exam there came today a shining beacon of joy. Why, waiting on my doorstep today, I discovered a discreet package containing none other than the complete set of five EMI remastered Hawkwind CDs I'd ordered! Talk about "couldn't have come at a better time!..." The burning question now, however, is just what is the best way for a kid to proceed, having been given the key to the entire sweet shop? ;-) Oh well, I guess I'll nibble awhile before launching into some real heavy duty scranning... :-) Cheers, Paul "happy as a pig in shite" Mather. obCDs: The Hawkwind EMI remasters, naturally... PS: FYI, I managed to get all five for around $100, including airmail postage, from my old stalwarts, Cob Records, in Wales (UK). Although I paid in sterling, they do take VISA, and you'll be charged the appropriate exchange rate at the time your VISA account is credited (as with all international VISA orders). The cost of all 5 CDs + postage, for USA customers, is L67.49. At the current exchange rate of approximately $1.50 to the pound, that comes to just over $101. They accept orders by FAX, too. I'm not affiliated with Cob Records, nor is this meant even to be a plug for them. It's just that given I've seen the Hawkwind remasters advertised in the USA ranging from $23--$35(!) for just the *single* CDs (and usually that's *excluding* postage), I thought I'd let those financially challenged amongst us know of a cheaper possible alternative. I've always found Cob Records to be reliable all the times I've used them over the years. (USA folks who traded with me when I lived in North Wales may recognise the Cob Records name. They were the company I used for my "Hawklifts.":) From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Sat Aug 17 19:30:18 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:30:18 -0500 Subject: OFF:Steve Tibbits In-Reply-To: from "Jerry" at Aug 17, 96 12:25:31 pm Message-ID: > > Hi Edward, > > Because of my work with Background Magazine (devoted to progressive rock), I > know of Steve Tibbets. We did a review of his self-titled album from 1977. I > don't know whether this is his first album or not. > The review wasn't that good, but that's a matter of taste. However, "of > average amateur hometaping level" doesn't sound veyr promising. That was his first. Here's some background about it that I found interesting: He was a music student at Macalister (sp) College in Mpls/St.Paul. That album was sort of a graduation project from what I understand. What I found was cool, was that he did everything on the album except percussion on one song. He even did the cover art work, mixing and formed his own record company. The feel of what I called "One man's music" really came through for me. Some of the tracks, especially the 12 string acoustic, were very "transitional". Started me in one place and took me somewere else without my realizing how I got there. (If ya know what I mean) Later on he had a show on one of the radio stations up there, where he hilighted alot of excelent music that wasn't getting play on the "Album Rock" stations of the time. > > Hope I could be of any help. > Jerry > WONDERFUL!!!! Thanks. -- "Illiteracy is the ultimate form of censorship. You do not need to burn a book or ban a book if someone cannot read it." Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6134 From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Aug 18 14:38:51 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 20:38:51 +0200 Subject: HW: Kollekting Kontinued/Astounding... Message-ID: hi, we recently discussed some hawkwind kollekting - here's an addendum: astounding sounds, amazing music Got now both 'original' covers, "concrete hawk" and "woman with radio", both with the fake ads inner sleeve. The first cover (concrete) has both sides in a more red tuning, while the second (woman) is brown - a bit like the Griffin CD. There's no problem seeing the difference while the items is lying beside each other. andy gilham said: >I know both exist - because my copy (CDS 4004) has hawk on the front - that >is, with the hawk towards you, the opening is on the right. It's clearly a >cock-up, becasue the album title really ought to be on the front and the >track list on the back! I'm pretty sure this ain't a 'cock-up', (though it should be!) because if you look (I think rj said he had both copies) at both items back side at bottom left you have the Phonogram logo, and this little story: "Marketed by Charisma Records Ltd., 70 Old Compton St/Manufactured and Distributed by Phonogram Ltd..." This should indicate you have two different covers, and not one cover that has been cut open in two different ways. Me thinks. From chip at PCC.COM Sun Aug 18 22:53:52 1996 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 22:53:52 -0400 Subject: OFF:Steve Tibbits In-Reply-To: <9608170230.AA14349@info1.harper.cc.il.us> from "Ed Gallagher" at Aug 16, 96 09:30:33 pm Message-ID: > I've been looking for some CD's (or vinyl) of early (first 3) albums by a > guy from Minneapolis Minnesota named Steve Tibbits (spelling?) Steve Tibbets. He's still around - he's been on a number of albums and even released one in the last year or two. > I know that his 2nd and 3rd album made it to CD ... I think ALL of this stuff has made it. All my copies are at work, but I know most of his music is on ECM records and is easy to find (cdnow.com). Personally, I enjoy _Yr_ and _Fall of Us All_ the most. For anyone who doesn't know - "prog" (barely) guitar driven rock with some incredible percussion (most of his albums feature a friend of his, Marc Anderson?). The two albums above are INCREDIBLE. Oh, and there's this: http://www.ecmrecords.com/ecm/artists/56.html -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Mon Aug 19 00:18:58 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 23:18:58 -0500 Subject: HW: Guitar Player Message-ID: For some reason, the American mainstream press has recognized "Space Rock" in the latest issue of Guitar Player, which you might wanna pick up. There are bits on Porc Tree, Helios Creed, Sabalon Glitz, and names like Hawkwind, Can, Chrome and ADII pop up here and there. Chuck From spacy at TELEPORT.COM Mon Aug 19 04:01:36 1996 From: spacy at TELEPORT.COM (Baron Bloom) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 00:01:36 -0800 Subject: SR cover Message-ID: This may interest some collectors? When I was at the 94 Nik Turner show in my home town Portland, OR, u.s. I bought a few items. With the Items I bought I recieved an insert for the up and commming new Space Ritual 94 (cleopatra). I have recently purchased the cd and I found out that the graphics are kind of different, on the cover and on one of the fold out pannels "D-Rider". The newer pannel that represents D-Rider I would say is not an improvement, i'm not sure about the cover? ,BB http://www.teleport.com/~spacy/ ------------------------------- spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) -------------------------------- From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Mon Aug 19 12:03:12 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:03:12 -0500 Subject: OFF:Steve Tibbits In-Reply-To: from "Chip Hart" at Aug 18, 96 10:53:52 pm Message-ID: Thanks Chip. I found the site of his current label. They indeed have all his albums on CD except the first. That is avail as in the preceding message. Peace and Love ;-) -- "Illiteracy is the ultimate form of censorship. You do not need to burn a book or ban a book if someone cannot read it." Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6134 From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Aug 19 17:14:36 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:14:36 -0400 Subject: BOC: Bolle/Club Ninja Message-ID: don't see him often outside the confines of AOL (no idea what his frequency is there), but he posted this in response to someone's query on alt.music.blueoystercult about 'perfect water', and since I know there are some on here who can't get on alt.music.blueoystercult I thought I'd post it here as there is some interesting info (and opinions, as always!) >From: tubular1 at aol.com (TUBULAR 1) >Perfect Water is OK, it's not on my list of favourite songs, it doesn't >hold anything exciting to it.... say White Flags which is incredible and >When The War Comes which originally was called Half Life Time simply blows >me away although I'm not too keen on the vocals being that split >Buck/Eric/Joe Voice... three opposites that don't work in this theme... >Joe Bouchard should have sung this alone... with a double track and a >slight phase shift on his voice... (Ahhh Dreams....:-) >I like this album a lot and listen to it more often than most of the >others these days... (there are always personal fads we go through... ) I >really got into the music when I first started the works on the lyrics >book and that's when I made my serious deep analysys of this very odd BOC >disc. >This was the first BOC record to be made directly onto CD format and that >is also the reason for it being deleted from the catalogue... where all >the others were remastered for CD, Ninja was the normal release, and with >poor sales was considered a loser from Columbia and so they took it out of >production. The problem with Deletions these days is that the record >stores are allowed to return their runs with all deleted records, hence >those emtpy shelves immediately in all the stores.... In Europe they don't >have the same deals so the deletions are in the stores until they actually >sell them....N-E-Way... My favorite Ninja Tracks are in this order; When >The War Comes, White Flags, Dancin' in The Ruins, Make Rock Not War, The >Shadow Warrior... the rest of the album is a wee bit flat for me... Live I >think Spy made a nice tune, but somehow it's just an OK song here as goes >for Madness & Water... There's really nothing progressive about these >songs... Of course the Beat Em Up song is a stupid song, and doesn't fit >the BOC aura... it was aimed at Lee Aron from Canada who actually recorded >it 2 years before BOC... So why doing a cover??? I bet you they never knew >at the time that LeeA had done her version years before them....!!! >Catch Y'all L8R >BOLLE_!_? +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Guildmaster of Reeves Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From npuchot at PASTEUR.FR Tue Aug 20 07:41:27 1996 From: npuchot at PASTEUR.FR (nico) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:41:27 +0000 Subject: HAWKWIND 7TH SEPTEMBER GIG Message-ID: hello I'm searching for informations about the Tilburg 'sweet smoke festival' in holland (7th september)?Hawkwind will be there!VENUE?TICKETS?TELEPHONE NUMBER...? thank you! From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue Aug 20 10:41:16 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:41:16 BST Subject: HW: problems? Message-ID: I seem to have had just one mail in the last 5 days, is something wrong or is it just quiet lately? bye - Rob From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 20 10:45:16 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:45:16 BST Subject: HW: zzzzzz - huh? problems? uh - zzzzzz In-Reply-To: Rob's message of Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:41:16 BST Message-ID: Rob writes: > I seem to have had just one mail in the last 5 days, is something > wrong or is it just quiet lately? > > bye - Rob nope - just quietly asleep I think. AOL crashed in the States through overuse a while back - which may have caused some disruption but it's surely back up again by now! yawnnnnnnn jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mumford at EUNET.NO Tue Aug 20 06:47:46 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:47:46 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind on Conan O'Brien!!! Message-ID: nah... just kidding. Would be cool though! Christian From mumford at EUNET.NO Tue Aug 20 06:49:05 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:49:05 +0200 Subject: OFF: Gong sites? Message-ID: Any good Gong sites out there? Christian From mumford at EUNET.NO Tue Aug 20 06:58:30 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:58:30 +0200 Subject: OFF:Syd Barrett (very sad news) Message-ID: I found this scanning the Pink Floyd newsgroup, and being an admirer of the great talent, I was saddened to hear this: (Forwarded message) Just got this magazine as someone on the group mentioned it recently. The only new news really is contained in the first paragraph. "In a private ward in Adenbrooke Hospital in Cambridge, where a Barrett Room is named in honour of his late father, the respected pathologist, Syd Barrett lise resting. He is now almost totally blind, following complications arising from diabetes. The prognosis is not good if he does not routinely take the prescribed insulin, and Barrett seems either incapable or unwilling to do so himself. Since the death of his mother Winifred in 1991, Syd has often lapsed into dibetic coma, apparently unconcerned about his health. However, he is watched over by a tight network of understanding relatives and neighbours. When he is healthy Syd lives a peaceful, comfortable life in a secluded row of semi-detached houses on the outskirts of Cambridge. His earnings from his recordings are substantial and he wants for very little, though he choosesa modest existence. Nevertheless, he is still in an emotionally precariuos state, talk of his illustrious past can lead to bouts of depression, sometimes stretching to weeks. For this reason, none of his former colleagues in Pink Floyd have direct contact with him anymore. Barrett's mental illness has provided the rock world with some of its most enduring anocdotes. What should be remembered, though, is that behind these acts of inspired eccentricity lay a creative but profoundly confused mind and an unhappy individual. Though Syd's moment was only briefly bright, his wild worldview continues to delight listeners and his life still influences the work of Pink Floyd. The word genius is often attached to his memory as fans wax fondly about his child-like, trippy songs that came to define British psychedelia. Former friends have been known to refer to him as "almost too talented". But was he a visionary or simply a regular middle-class kid with a fixation on his idyllic chilhood who blew his mind for eternity on too much high grade acid." This is the first paragraph. The rest of the article is pretty standard Barrett/Eraly Floyd stuff. There are some new pictures though. Bye Steve. (Forwarded message ends) Christian From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Aug 20 09:07:05 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:07:05 -0400 Subject: BOC: Bolle/Club Ninja Message-ID: Interesting observations from Bolle as always. Seeing that he seems to have a current fondness for CN, it's rather odd that the head of BOC's fanclub likes CN, whereas most BOC fans hate it (all Club Ninja lovers -- please, I'm generalizing here -- no need to once again jump to the album's defense telling me how X, Y, and Z are actually good tracks on the album - hey, I listen to it too on ocassion). On a related note, Jean-Luc Carrier, the guy who runs the French BOC fanclub, recently informed me that there is no CD release of Club Ninja with the first (i.e. "UK") mix -- that mix does appear on the vinyl release of the 1st mix, as well as some UK singles off that album. John "These go to eleven..." Nigel Tufnel, Spinal Tap From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Aug 20 10:52:19 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:52:19 EST Subject: BOC: Bolle/Club Ninja Message-ID: > Interesting observations from Bolle as always. Seeing that he seems to > have a current fondness for CN, it's rather odd that the head of BOC's > fanclub likes CN, whereas most BOC fans hate it (all Club Ninja lovers -- > please, I'm generalizing here -- no need to once again jump to the album's > defense telling me how X, Y, and Z are actually good tracks on the > album - hey, I listen to it too on ocassion). > And BG admitted that his was somewhat of a minority opinion. I suspect that a guy like him has listened to the 'good' stuff so many times that he occasionally visits CN just for variety. theo > From web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG Tue Aug 20 10:30:23 1996 From: web2831 at CHARWEB.ORG (Jeremy R. Horne) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:30:23 -0400 Subject: HW: zzzzzz - huh? problems? uh - zzzzzz In-Reply-To: <9608201045.aa21155@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, J Strobridge wrote: > Rob writes: > > > I seem to have had just one mail in the last 5 days, is something > > wrong or is it just quiet lately? > > > > bye - Rob > > > > nope - just quietly asleep I think. AOL crashed in the States through > overuse a while back - which may have caused some disruption but it's > surely back up again by now! > > yawnnnnnnn > > > jill I think a 2 day hiatus is refreshing now and then. From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Aug 20 10:38:45 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:38:45 +0200 Subject: BOC: Bolle/Club Ninja Message-ID: At 09:52 1996-08-20 EST, you wrote: >> Interesting observations from Bolle as always. Seeing that he seems to >> have a current fondness for CN, it's rather odd that the head of BOC's >> fanclub likes CN, whereas most BOC fans hate it (all Club Ninja lovers -- >> please, I'm generalizing here -- no need to once again jump to the album's >> defense telling me how X, Y, and Z are actually good tracks on the >> album - hey, I listen to it too on ocassion). >> > >And BG admitted that his was somewhat of a minority opinion. I >suspect that a guy like him has listened to the 'good' stuff so many >times that he occasionally visits CN just for variety. >theo like some hawksters give Yuri Gagarin a spin now and then - and actually likes it... \\joe ;0) From mumford at EUNET.NO Tue Aug 20 10:52:34 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:52:34 +0200 Subject: BOC: Bolle/Club Ninja Message-ID: Johan Edlundh wrote: > > like some hawksters give Yuri Gagarin a spin now and then - and actually likes it... > > \\joe ;0) Hey, so I'm not the only one??? Wow! I actually _like_ "Gaga" and "In The Egg" and some of the other bizarre shit on there! Thumbs up for Yuri! Christian From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Aug 20 10:51:48 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:51:48 -0400 Subject: BOC: Bolle/Club Ninja In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Ted Jackson jr. EL 84 wrote: > And BG admitted that his was somewhat of a minority opinion. I > suspect that a guy like him has listened to the 'good' stuff so many > times that he occasionally visits CN just for variety. True, but when he starts proclaiming "White Flags" as an "incredible" song, I can't help thinking to myself, "yeah, but on which planet?" >;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Hawkwind, _Hall of the Mountain Grill_ (remastered) e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. "Knowledge is not wisdom" --- Frank Zappa From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Aug 20 11:22:20 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:22:20 -0400 Subject: HW: zzzzzz - huh? problems? uh - zzzzzz Message-ID: >I think a 2 day hiatus is refreshing now and then. Exactly right. We can get charged up for when the new semester starts and there are 200+ messages per day. Martyn From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 20 18:05:40 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:05:40 BST Subject: HW: Web wandering Message-ID: I see Alan Davey's album was due out yesterday. Wonder if it'll be at home waiting for me..... I also notice that the Summer Daze web site is still around which reminds me: there were t-shirts on sale at the venue - large green alien head on the front with Hawkwind name prominently on the back together with a listing of the other bands taking part. I'd guess they probably still have a few spare to sell (and maybe some programmes left too? - these were nicely done) so if anyone can work out an email address from the web pages it might be worthwhile trying to contact them if you'd like one. jill obdescription: The Outside Context Problem (cf Iain M. Banks "Excession") ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Tue Aug 20 10:57:00 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:57:00 -0400 Subject: HW: CDs available Message-ID: On my luch hour, I popped over to the local record shop across the street from my office and noted the following CDs in the Hawkwind section. If anyone is interested in any of them, drop me a private e-mail and I can grab them for you. Now, they're not anything special but they may help fill holes in someone's collection... Alien 4 (EBS - Jewel Boxed version) $15.99 Psychedelic Warlords (Cleopatra) $15.99 Hall Of The Mountain Grill (One Way) $9.99 Chronicle Of The Black Sword (Griffin 1994 not the live one) $15.99 Hawkwind (One Way) $10.49 BBC 1 Live In Concert $24.99 California Brainstorm $12.99 Robert Calvert Lucky Leif (BGO) $18.99 Chris From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Aug 20 14:43:46 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:43:46 -0400 Subject: Who is the Cyber Hippy? Message-ID: Just came across his homepage while surfing the net, at http://web.ukonline.co.uk/Members/m.painter/INDEX.HTM Several Hawkwind pages. Martyn From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Aug 20 16:12:19 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:12:19 EST Subject: Who is the Cyber Hippy? Message-ID: > Subject: Who is the Cyber Hippy? > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 > > Just came across his homepage while surfing the net, > > at http://web.ukonline.co.uk/Members/m.painter/INDEX.HTM > > Several Hawkwind pages. > > Martyn I thought it was 'Hippie.' Is this a UK/US differentiation? theo--an original hipp** From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Aug 20 15:43:49 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:43:49 -0400 Subject: Who is the Cyber Hippy? Message-ID: >I thought it was 'Hippie.' Is this a UK/US differentiation? >theo--an original hipp** Hippy is listed in my UK dictionary as a variant of Hippie. I don't know if this spelling is accepted in the US or not. How old do you have you have to be to qualify as an _original_ hipp** ? ;-) Martyn From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Aug 20 16:52:23 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:52:23 EST Subject: Who is the Cyber Hippy? Message-ID: > >I thought it was 'Hippie.' Is this a UK/US differentiation? > >theo--an original hipp** > > Hippy is listed in my UK dictionary as a variant of Hippie. > I don't know if this spelling is accepted in the US or not. > > How old do you have you have to be to qualify as an > _original_ hipp** ? ;-) > > Martyn Well, pretty much ancient, I'd say. Age varies, but I think anyone who attended rock concerts, protests, love-ins, etc. pre-1970 would qualify, regardless of age. And you'd have to have been a longhair as well. Hair requirement waived for women, of course. theo From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Aug 20 16:20:43 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:20:43 -0400 Subject: BOC: Bolle/Club Ninja Message-ID: And BG admitted that his was somewhat of a minority opinion. I > suspect that a guy like him has listened to the 'good' stuff so many > times that he occasionally visits CN just for variety. No, he just doesn't want to join any crowd From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Aug 20 17:29:33 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:29:33 EST Subject: BOC: Bolle/Club Ninja Message-ID: > And BG admitted that his was somewhat of a minority opinion. I > > suspect that a guy like him has listened to the 'good' stuff so many > > times that he occasionally visits CN just for variety. > > No, he just doesn't want to join any crowd 'It looks like we've got a vigilante, on our hands, honeybunny...' -Pumpkin From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Aug 20 17:15:57 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:15:57 -0500 Subject: HW: zzzzzz - huh? problems? uh - zzzzzz In-Reply-To: <9608201045.aa21155@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, J Strobridge wrote: > nope - just quietly asleep I think. AOL crashed in the States through > overuse a while back - which may have caused some disruption but it's > surely back up again by now! Darn. And just to think, we finally had a couple of non-September days. Now it's back to the perpetual September again. Oh well. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From kfrazier at NCSA.UIUC.EDU Tue Aug 20 18:37:30 1996 From: kfrazier at NCSA.UIUC.EDU (Keith Frazier) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:37:30 -0500 Subject: Who is the Cyber Hippy? Message-ID: >> >I thought it was 'Hippie.' Is this a UK/US differentiation? >> >theo--an original hipp** >> >> Hippy is listed in my UK dictionary as a variant of Hippie. >> I don't know if this spelling is accepted in the US or not. >> >> How old do you have you have to be to qualify as an >> _original_ hipp** ? ;-) >> >> Martyn > >Well, pretty much ancient, I'd say. Age varies, but I think anyone >who attended rock concerts, protests, love-ins, etc. pre-1970 would >qualify, regardless of age. And you'd have to have been a longhair >as well. Hair requirement waived for women, of course. >theo Don't you mean still a long hair instead of been a long hair? Anyone that's been and now isn't has conformed to a certain extent IMHO. They're no longer yippies...they're yuppies! Well except for the ones who lost their hair due to baldness, etc. Keith Keith Frazier Desktop Support Group 4127 Beckman Institute 244-5701 kfrazier at ncsa.uiuc.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Aug 20 18:41:07 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:41:07 -0600 Subject: HW: CDs available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Stier, Christopher wrote: > On my luch hour, I popped over to the local record shop across the > street from my office and noted the following CDs in the Hawkwind > section. If anyone is interested in any of them, drop me a private > e-mail and I can grab them for you. Now, they're not anything special > but they may help fill holes in someone's collection... > > Alien 4 (EBS - Jewel Boxed version) $15.99 > Psychedelic Warlords (Cleopatra) $15.99 > Hall Of The Mountain Grill (One Way) $9.99 > Chronicle Of The Black Sword (Griffin 1994 not the live one) $15.99 > Hawkwind (One Way) $10.49 > BBC 1 Live In Concert $24.99 > California Brainstorm $12.99 > Robert Calvert Lucky Leif (BGO) $18.99 > > Chris > What about BOC CD's from over there?? Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Aug 21 00:42:35 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 06:42:35 +0200 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? Message-ID: good morning, list this is free thoughts directly stolen from the sabbath mailing list: ----------------------------------------------- > I just purchased the EI [eternal idol] remaster. I still consider > it an amazing album. The title track and the shinning are simply great This one and "Tyr" are my favourite Tony Martin era albums. Granted, EI seemed to appear at a time when Iommi was just struggling to keep the band's head above water, but Tony Martin did a pretty good job IMHO of filling in in a pinch. Still, I think that all told, the album sounds better with Ray Gillen. > Sabbath yet ... (sounds familiar anyone)) I want to know how you evaluate > the album, each song and in relation with Ray Gillen version (which is also > quite good) Here we go...I'm going from memory on this one, as I haven't heard the Gillen version in some time. I'll simply put the name of the vocalist that I prefer, and why. That doesn't necessarily mean that I throw out the other guy's performance, but rather "This is the one I really like out of the two." :) [snip a track] Ancient Warrior -- Is this song about Michael Moorcock's Eternal Champion, or what? Check out Moorcock's "The Eternal Champion," especially when Erekose is being called by humanity. "Beating war drums in his ears." I'll take Tony Martin on this one...Gillen sounded a little too much like "80s hair band heavy metal vocalist" for my liking. Great track, regardless. I noticed that the percussion arrangement is a bit different on the Gillen version (just some overdubs, I think). ---------------------------------------------------------- what do you say, here's some 'copyright violation' on the track: ---------------------------------------------------------- Ancient Warrior (Iommi) There's no end - There's no beginning - To the old mans story Does he still remember me - >From lives gone by Oh I see his spirit rising Upon the back of time I've got nowhere to hide Will he keep a place for me He is a king of all kings The keeper of light He holds eternity's wings In his eyes an ocean's burning Swollen seat of tears Troubled mind the beating War drums in his ears No one ever hears his warning Am I the one he calls When they tell me they're afraid Same say I'll be put away He is a king of all kings The keeper of the light He owns eternity's wings My blood will spill my blood My blood will spill my blood In the wisdom of the prophet's Never ending tale Open up the eyes Within your mind, he says Crowned in his ancient glory There's a king within us all Some will say it's all in vain That he doesn't have a name He is a king of all kings The keeper of light He holds eternity's wings ---------------------------------------------------- I'm no Eternal Champion expert, so I'd be glad if the Moorcock enthusiasts here (Allan?) would sort this out for me... \\joe From southend at SERV.NET Wed Aug 21 02:12:01 1996 From: southend at SERV.NET (Steve Burton) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:12:01 -0700 Subject: Who is the Cyber Hippy? Message-ID: At 05:37 PM 8/20/96 -0500, you wrote: >>> >I thought it was 'Hippie.' Is this a UK/US differentiation? >>> >theo--an original hipp** >>> >>> Hippy is listed in my UK dictionary as a variant of Hippie. >>> I don't know if this spelling is accepted in the US or not. >>> >>> How old do you have you have to be to qualify as an >>> _original_ hipp** ? ;-) >>> >>> Martyn >> >>Well, pretty much ancient, I'd say. Age varies, but I think anyone >>who attended rock concerts, protests, love-ins, etc. pre-1970 would >>qualify, regardless of age. And you'd have to have been a longhair >>as well. Hair requirement waived for women, of course. >>theo > >Don't you mean still a long hair instead of been a long hair? Anyone that's >been and now isn't has conformed to a certain extent IMHO. They're no >longer yippies...they're yuppies! Well except for the ones who lost their >hair due to baldness, etc. > >Keith Well, yes and no. I guess you can't exactly call me "old" by the provided description, but I was going to concerts in 72. I have REAL long hair, and mostly always have since the early seventies. BUT - I enjoy things like woodwork and mechanics, and making giant campfires, and swimming and things, and that hair can really get in the way sometimes!! I often think of cutting it - but never have. I once had an entire pan of tranmission fluid dump on my head. It didn't come out of my hair for 3-4 weeks. So, if I got it all cut off tomorrow - I'd still be the same psychedelic person. And I wouldn't have to pull hairs out of my vindaloo! Steve From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Aug 21 08:49:37 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:49:37 EST Subject: Who is the Cyber Hippy? Message-ID: > >> How old do you have you have to be to qualify as an > >> _original_ hipp** ? ;-) > >> > >> Martyn > > > >Well, pretty much ancient, I'd say. Age varies, but I think anyone > >who attended rock concerts, protests, love-ins, etc. pre-1970 would > >qualify, regardless of age. And you'd have to have been a longhair > >as well. Hair requirement waived for women, of course. > >theo > > Don't you mean still a long hair instead of been a long hair? Anyone that's > been and now isn't has conformed to a certain extent IMHO. They're no > longer yippies...they're yuppies! Well except for the ones who lost their > hair due to baldness, etc. > > Keith > Correct! But I still qualify, though I could use a few extra follicles... theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Aug 21 08:57:12 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:57:12 EST Subject: Who is the Cyber Hippy? Message-ID: > >>> How old do you have you have to be to qualify as an > >>> _original_ hipp** ? ;-) > >>> > >>> Martyn > >> > >>Well, pretty much ancient, I'd say. Age varies, but I think anyone > >>who attended rock concerts, protests, love-ins, etc. pre-1970 would > >>qualify, regardless of age. And you'd have to have been a longhair > >>as well. Hair requirement waived for women, of course. > >>theo > > > >Don't you mean still a long hair instead of been a long hair? Anyone that's > >been and now isn't has conformed to a certain extent IMHO. They're no > >longer yippies...they're yuppies! Well except for the ones who lost their > >hair due to baldness, etc. > > > >Keith > > Well, yes and no. > > I guess you can't exactly call me "old" by the provided description, but I > was going to concerts in 72. > > I have REAL long hair, and mostly always have since the early seventies. > > BUT - I enjoy things like woodwork and mechanics, and making giant > campfires, and swimming and things, and that hair can really get in the way > sometimes!! > > I often think of cutting it - but never have. > > I once had an entire pan of tranmission fluid dump on my head. It didn't > come out of my hair for 3-4 weeks. > > So, if I got it all cut off tomorrow - I'd still be the same psychedelic person. > > And I wouldn't have to pull hairs out of my vindaloo! > > Steve Steve, Quick, take two hits of orange barrell and slap on some HW, BOC, Airplane, Allmans etc. I think your resolve is crumbling and you need reinforcement. I think that even though you may be chronologically challenged, you still qualify for inclusion... theo From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Aug 21 10:02:00 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:02:00 +1000 Subject: NT's LP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Folks, I have just recently bought NT's "past or future" CD, and I have a query for anyone who is "in the know". Who are in the photos in the inner sleeve? You know, the one's in the "spheres". I posted this question before, but it seems to have bounced, so forgive me if you have already seen it or something weird like that. Troy H ObCD:- XT- Extended Empire From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Aug 21 11:25:33 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:25:33 UT Subject: NT's LP Message-ID: I guess the one in the helmet and codpiece is Nik :) - Andy ObCD: Amon Duul 2 - _Eternal Flashback_ From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Wed Aug 21 10:36:36 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:36:36 -0400 Subject: Who is the Cyber Hippy? In-Reply-To: <199608210612.XAA15476@mx.serv.net> from "Steve Burton" at Aug 20, 96 11:12:01 pm Message-ID: Steve Burton says-- > > I once had an entire pan of tranmission fluid dump on my head. It didn't > come out of my hair for 3-4 weeks. > > So, if I got it all cut off tomorrow - I'd still be the same psychedelic person. Ditto. > > And I wouldn't have to pull hairs out of my vindaloo! My favorite is getting toothpaste/saliva in it, as a result of spitting in the sink after brushing my teeth. :-P :-) Just can't remember to keep it tied until that task is done. obCDplayer--Discipline by King Crimson Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Aug 21 12:17:35 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:17:35 -0400 Subject: OFF:Syd Barrett (very sad news) Message-ID: For anyone interested in the Syd Barrett story, there is a very good page at http://www.reed.edu/~mhamilto/syd/quotes.html Martyn From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Aug 21 13:46:11 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:46:11 -0500 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960821064528.27df3eb8@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Johan Edlundh wrote: > good morning, list > this is free thoughts directly stolen from the sabbath mailing list: > > ----------------------------------------------- > Ancient Warrior -- Is this song about Michael Moorcock's Eternal > Champion, or what? Check out Moorcock's "The Eternal Champion," > especially when Erekose is being called by humanity. "Beating war drums > in his ears." [snip] > Ancient Warrior (Iommi) [lyrics snipped] > I'm no Eternal Champion expert, so I'd be glad if the Moorcock enthusiasts > here (Allan?) would sort this out for me... Doesn't really seem to be very MM-oriented; I checked the lyrics against both _The Eternal Champion_ (where Rigenos summons Erekose) and _Phoenix in Obsidian_ (where Urlik Skarsol takes up the Black Sword once more) and found nothing that was similar to the lyrics. Perhaps the original poster had the book mixed up with another MM one (though none come to mind, again). Sorry: wish I could be more help. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Aug 21 13:55:00 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:55:00 -0500 Subject: Michael Moorcock 's Singing Enagagement NYC (8/19)[radio] (fwd) Message-ID: A plea for HW/MM fans in the NY area, originally from Dave Cohen, seconded by me :-) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: dave cohen Subject: Re: Michael's Singing Enagagement NYC (8/19)[radio] here's the news from Jim Freund who taped the reading for WBAI--it will be broadcast, along with an interview on saturday 8/24 on WBAI 99.5 FM (new york city) 5-7am. the show's name is "hour of the wolf" i will be trying to get a copy from a friend in nyc but if there's anyone on the list over there who can definitely tape it please email me! dave ---- Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From skarsol at EROLS.COM Wed Aug 21 11:04:00 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:04:00 +0000 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? Message-ID: joe, im sorry but i fail to see much similarity tween this and any of moorcocks work.i think that any likeness is probably added by the mind of a wishful listener.the lyrics are vague,and if you ask me, almost meaningless without some further input. i dont mean this as a cut on sabbath, i love them,always have,and always will. ask me and we got another case like deep purples stormbringer vs. mm's. stormbringer. apart from the name,there is no similarity, and the word stormbringer is not, like, a rare combination of images or anything.sounds like an amerindian concept to me. rj From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Aug 21 16:18:42 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:18:42 EST Subject: sabbath/moorcock? Message-ID: > > joe, im sorry but i fail to see much similarity tween this and any of > moorcocks work.i think that any likeness is probably added by the > mind of a wishful listener.the lyrics are vague,and if you ask me, > almost meaningless without some further input. > i dont mean this as a cut on sabbath, i love them,always have,and always > will. > ask me and we got another case like deep purples stormbringer vs. > mm's. stormbringer. apart from the name,there is no similarity, > and the word stormbringer is not, like, a rare combination of images > or anything.sounds like an amerindian concept to me. rj Really! Purple and MM in the same breath doesn't seem to make much sense. I could see some link tween Tony Martin-era Sab. and MM, esp. some of the stuff on TYR, but I agree that it's an existential leap of epic breadth. theo From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Aug 21 16:06:45 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:06:45 UT Subject: sabbath/moorcock? Message-ID: Whereas Diamond Head's "Living on Borrowed Time" goes (from memory): An invincible slave to this black blade... I have loved, I have lost I have killed those who loved me... Which seems a bit more like it! - Andy ObHW: Had a look for the Alan Davey record yesterday. Wasn't there. It's on EBS, isn't it? So it's bound to be 2 weeks late... :) From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Aug 21 16:25:14 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 22:25:14 +0200 Subject: diamond head/moorcock? Message-ID: At 20:06 1996-08-21 UT, you wrote: >Whereas Diamond Head's "Living on Borrowed Time" goes (from memory): > > An invincible slave to this black blade... > > I have loved, I have lost > I have killed those who loved me... > >Which seems a bit more like it! > >- Andy bingo! and you have actually Elric with the Black Blade on the Rodney Matthews cover! \\joe From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Aug 21 16:30:35 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 21:30:35 +0100 Subject: OFF:Syd Barrett (very sad news) In-Reply-To: <32199A56.7DF8@eunet.no> Message-ID: In message <32199A56.7DF8 at eunet.no>, Christian Mumford writes >I found this scanning the Pink Floyd newsgroup, and being an admirer of >the great talent, I was saddened to hear this: > > >(Forwarded message) > >Just got this magazine as someone on the group mentioned it recently. >The only new news really is contained in the first paragraph. > >"In a private ward in Adenbrooke Hospital in Cambridge, where a >Barrett Room is named in honour of his late father, the respected >pathologist, Syd Barrett lise resting. He is now almost totally blind, >following complications arising from diabetes. The prognosis > is not good if he does not routinely take the prescribed insulin, Total Bummer. I'm diabetic and on insulin too, by the way. I do look after myself though. Except at HAWKWIND gigs :) -- Jon Browne From stayer at PI.NET Wed Aug 21 02:57:23 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:57:23 PDT Subject: 125 Things Message-ID: ==================================== 125 THINGS NEVER TO SAY DURING SEX 1)is it in? 2)that's it? 3)you've got to be kidding me. 4)(phone rings) hello? oh nothing and you? 5)do i have to pay for this? 6)do i have to call you tomorrow? 7)oh momma, momma! 8)oh dadda, dadda! 9)you look better in the dark. 10)this is much better than my last girl/boyfriend. 11)i thought that goes in the other hole.... 12)don't tell my husband/wife. 13)you have the same bra my mom does (worse if the girl says it). 14)this sucks. 15)can you finish now? i have a meeting... 16)i hope you don't expect a raise for this... 17)i think you might get the job for this. 18)damn! is that all you know what to do. 19)did i tell you, i have herpes? 20)now we must get married. 21) hurry up, the games about to start. 22)i'm hungry. 23)i'm thirsty. 24)zzzzzzzzzzzz. 25)are you trying to be funny? 26)can i have a ride home after this? 27)are those real? 28)by the way, i want to break up. 29)is that smell coming from you? 30)haven't you ever done this before? 31)wow!! i've never seen those before (then grope wildly). 32)do you know what some female spiders do after sex? 33)you're so much like your sister.... 34)your mom's cute. 35)what's your name again? 36)do i have to be here in the morning? 37)a second time? i barely stayed awake the first time! 38)but you just started!! 39)you're about as good as a 9 year old, and i should know!! 40)don't touch that!! 41)can we order a pizza? 42)i think my dad is listening at the door. 43)smile for the camera, honey!!! 44)take off that damn monkey glove!! 45)get your hand out of there!! 46)i think the condom broke 10 minutes ago. 47)i knew you wore a padded bra!! 48)cover me boys, i'm going in!!! 49)DIVE! DIVE! DIVE! 50)Fire one! 51)God, that is small!! 52)hold on, let me change the channel... 53)who smells like fish? 54)is it o.k. if my mom (and/or dad) joins in? 55)your best-friend does it much better. 56)hope you don't mind i left my boots on. 57)hurry up, the motor's runnin'. 58)you're fogging up the wind-sheild. 59)can i borrow 5 bucks? 60)what the hell noise was that?! 61)stop moaning, you sound so stupid. 62)shut up, bitch! (worse if the girl says it) 63)you know, you're not really attractive. 64)i'm sorry, i was not listening. 65)what, oh yea, i love you too, now let me concentrate!! 66)stop interrupting me!! 67)i have to take a shit. 68)did i leave the iron on? 69)your breath is funky. 70)(start singing Green Day). 71)is it o.k. if i call someone, its o.k. though, keep going.... 72)its ok honey, i can imagine that its bigger. 73)god i wish you were a real woman. 74)why can't you ever shave your legs? 75)by the way, when i drove over here, i ran over your dog.... 76)oh susan, susan... i mean donna.... shit. 77)your breast milk is like my mom's.... 78)you're hairy!! 79)your "happy trail" led me to a dead end. 80)is it o.k. if i never see you again? 81)did i forget to tell you i got worms from my cat? 82)don't make that face at me! 83)all of a sudden i have a headache. 84)you're boring. 85)i like your tits. 86)suck my dick, bitch. 87)how much do i owe you? 88)How come we each have a penis? 89)of course you can't be on top, you're too fat, you'll kill me! 90)your ass is hairy (the guy says this). 91)just use your finger, its bigger. 92)does your family have to watch? 93)we'll try again later when you can satisfy me too. 94)get off me, i'll do it myself!!!! 95)can you hold this sandwhich for me? 96)you're as soft as a sheep, inside and out. 97)the only reason i'm doing this is because i'm drunk. 98)my mom taught me this..... 99)how cute... peach fuzz! 100)Damn girl! my tits are bigger than your's! 101)should i ask why you're bleeding? 102)this is my pet rat, larry.... 103)if you can't do it, i'll find someone else who can! 104)i haven't had this much sex since i was a hooker! 105)i was once a woman... 106)wanna see me take out my glass eye? 107)no i don't love your mind, i can't grab that!! 108)is it o.k. if i tell my friends about this? 109)i'm sobering up and you're getting ugly! 110)you wanted me to use a condom? 111)you're no better than my brother!! 112)mooooo!! 113)Fire in the hole!!! 114)i wanna see how many quaters i can fit in there. 115)hurry up, i'm late for a date. 116)o.k. start...oh! that feels so... YOU'RE DONE??!! 117)you ever see basic instinct? 118)i'm out of condoms, can i use a sock? 119)don't squirm, you'll spill my beer. 120)Did i tell you where my cold sore came from? 121)you got boogies showing. 122)(start reciting the 10 commandments). 123)i think i just shit on your bed. 124)of course i don't love you. 125)let me spell it out for you, b-r-e-a-t-h m-i-n-t. ====================================================== Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Wed Aug 21 02:54:03 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:54:03 PDT Subject: The World's Easiest Quiz Message-ID: =========================================== THE WORLD'S EASIEST QUIZ? 1) How long did the Hundred Years War last? 2) Which country makes Panama hats? 3) From which animal do we get catgut? 4) In which month do Russians celebrate the October Revolution? 5) What is a camel's hair brush made of? 6) The Canary Islands in the Pacific are named after what animal? 7) What was King George VI's first name? 8) What color is a purple finch? 9) Where are Chinese gooseberries from? 10) How long did the Thirty Years War last? ANSWERS TO THE QUIZ 1) 116 years, from 1337 to 1453. 2) Ecuador. 3) From sheep and horses. 4) November. The Russian calendar was 13 days behind ours. 5) Squirrel fir. 6) The Latin name was Insularia Canaria - Island of the Dogs. 7) Albert. When he came to the throne in 1936 he respected the wish of Queen Victoria that no future king should ever be called Albert. 8) Distinctively crimson. 9) New Zealand. 10) Thirty years, of course. From 1618 to 1648. ============================================================ Jerry From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Aug 22 02:26:00 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon Hundley) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 02:26:00 BST-1 Subject: Ceta Oreanis - new HW Message-ID: It's probably called 'Zeta Orionis', since that's a star in he constellation of Orion, of particular interest if you'd read Bauval/Hancock/Gilbert/West's theories about the positioning of the pyramids of Giza/Dashour. This star (Almtak to the Persians) in Orion's belt, corresponds to the great pyramid of Giza, which contains shafts that points to Orion's belt, Sirius and the celestial pole, and marks out a precessional date of 10240BC. It's definately trying to tell us something, and many of the theories are pretty spooky... it's got something to do with my decision to holiday in Egypt next year. :) If the price is reasonable ( <30 squids ), I'd be interested in a new HW booty... Gordon. From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Aug 21 21:46:30 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 21:46:30 -0400 Subject: The World's Easiest Quiz Message-ID: >=========================================== >2) Which country makes Panama hats? >2) Ecuador. But they are exported en masse to Panama, where no self-respecting gentleman is without one... >7) What was King George VI's first name? >7) Albert. When he came to the throne in 1936 he respected the wish To bring this on topic, this is what Albert gets for having the same birthday as Queen Victoria... (24th of May...) =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Wed Aug 21 22:32:58 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 22:32:58 -0400 Subject: 125 Things Message-ID: Jerry, I believe that stupid-infantile-humor-that-has-been-around-the-net- 1000-times-already-even-though-it-was-really-insipid-the-first-time-L is an entirely separate mailing list, one that we are all perfectly able to subscribe to if we were looking for something other than ON-TOPIC discussions of Hawkwind and BOC. Grumpy asshole mode off. From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Aug 21 22:05:58 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:05:58 +1100 Subject: Barney Bubbles and Black Fella's Message-ID: Gidday All, Just a brief excursion from lurker mode ..... Does anyone know anything about Barney Bubble's supposed "period of exile" living in Australia with a tribe of Aborigines? Paul -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... 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In-Reply-To: Ted Jackson jr. EL 84's message of Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:18:42 EST Message-ID: This thread has convinced me that whatever reasons I have for liking Hawkwind, it isn't just that they have sci-fi/fantasy lyrics. They may be a part of it, but there are many other bands out there that use fantasy lyrics, and are, um, not to my taste. Dave. ObWish: That HW recorded and will release SteppenWolf from the last tour. From npuchot at PASTEUR.FR Thu Aug 22 07:20:20 1996 From: npuchot at PASTEUR.FR (nico) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:20:20 +0000 Subject: hawkwind 7th september gig in holland Message-ID: I'm still waiting for informations about the 'sweet smoke festival' in Hollande the 7th september featuring hawkwind (and others???) tel number?venue?price?... thank you!!! nicolas (from Pasteur Institut, PARIS FRANCE) From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Aug 22 05:51:29 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:51:29 +0200 Subject: . Message-ID: At 08:47 1996-08-22 +-100, you wrote: >What? > >---------- >From: Baron Bloom[SMTP:spacy at TELEPORT.COM] >Sent: Thursday, August 22, 1996 07:00 >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: . > > trippy night. > >http://www.teleport.com/~spacy/ >------------------------------- >spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) >-------------------------------- this: - \\joe >Attachment Converted: H:\DOC\HW-BOC\FILER\WINMAIL.DAT >M5$5,`$503U)4+D-/_$U='^\@_09@`C B+R,[!%1H"'!S9&%Y+!$4L'5G=1/ >M(#(R`2K@,3DY-B P-\XZ', F3R#]5&\HCR,[$$UU;'0%(&QE(#T6$&,%( B0 >M`C $(&]F!B <@"M!0D]#+4SC+%\G7G5B:A\!+G\C.^8N&T\<4S,V'<<:11[& >MBSF_.?%T!1%P>2 #`!AG:'0VO3N@=' Z:"\O=ST at +A/0,+!P116Q+ at 6@;2]^ >M)1,O/PJ%'T at _KQ^I)10]:B H_20)*3ZO1'\?FC;/-]\X[ L*A14Q`$H````# >M`! 0``````,`$1 `````0 `',(!R;A?^C[L!0 `(,(!R;A?^C[L!'@`]``$` >0```%````4D4Z( ````"4R0`' >` >end > > From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Thu Aug 22 06:41:00 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (simon) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:41:00 +0100 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? In-Reply-To: <2.2.16.19960821064528.27df3eb8@eka.ericsson.se> Message-ID: Reply to Johan Edlundh about sabbath/moorcock? >I'm no Eternal Champion expert, so I'd be glad if the Moorcock enthusiasts >here (Allan?) would sort this out for me... >\\joe All sounds a bit vague to me. I've never heard any other mention of this relating to MM. By the way, This may be a good time to mention (shameless plug or what?) my new web site which has some MM interviews on it (more to be added). If anybody has any interesting MM articles or interviews I would be very interested in seeing them. E-mail me. Anyway the address is village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/simain.html Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Thu Aug 22 06:41:14 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (simon) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:41:14 +0100 Subject: Michael Moorcock 's Singing Enagagement NYC (8/19)[radio](fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reply to Allan T Grohe Jr about Re: Michael Moorcock 's Singing Enagagement NYC (8/19)[radio](fwd) > here's the news from Jim Freund who taped the reading for > WBAI--it will be broadcast, along with an interview on > saturday 8/24 on WBAI 99.5 FM (new york city) 5-7am. > the show's name is "hour of the wolf" i will be trying to > get a copy from a friend in nyc but if there's anyone on the > list over there who can definitely tape it please email me! >dave >---- >Allan. I'd love a copy of this if it happens. If anybody knows a way of getting a copy to the UK then I love to hear from them. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Thu Aug 22 06:41:18 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (simon) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:41:18 +0100 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reply to Andrew Gilham about Re: sabbath/moorcock? >ObHW: Had a look for the Alan Davey record yesterday. Wasn't there. It's on >EBS, isn't it? So it's bound to be 2 weeks late... :) It's out in the UK. I saw it on Monday but didn't have the money (as normal). It's one of those card covers like the other recent stuff. Nice cover. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Thu Aug 22 12:21:03 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:21:03 +-100 Subject: . Message-ID: No, I still don't understand. ---------- From: Johan Edlundh[SMTP:hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 1996 10:51 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: . At 08:47 1996-08-22 +-100, you wrote: >What? > >---------- >From: Baron Bloom[SMTP:spacy at TELEPORT.COM] >Sent: Thursday, August 22, 1996 07:00 >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: . > > trippy night. > >http://www.teleport.com/~spacy/ >------------------------------- >spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) >-------------------------------- this: - \\joe >Attachment Converted: H:\DOC\HW-BOC\FILER\WINMAIL.DAT >M5$5,`$503U)4+D-/_$U='^\@_09@`C B+R,[!%1H"'!S9&%Y+!$4L'5G=1/ >M(#(R`2K@,3DY-B P-\XZ', F3R#]5&\HCR,[$$UU;'0%(&QE(#T6$&,%( B0 >M`C $(&]F!B <@"M!0D]#+4SC+%\G7G5B:A\!+G\C.^8N&T\<4S,V'<<:11[& >MBSF_.?%T!1%P>2 #`!AG:'0VO3N@=' Z:"\O=ST at +A/0,+!P116Q+ at 6@;2]^ >M)1,O/PJ%'T at _KQ^I)10]:B H_20)*3ZO1'\?FC;/-]\X[ L*A14Q`$H````# >M`! 0``````,`$1 `````0 `',(!R;A?^C[L!0 `(,(!R;A?^C[L!'@`]``$` >0```%````4D4Z( ````"4R0`' >` >end > > begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(@0+`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &`#0!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```%$`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!"3T,O2&%W:W=I;F0@ M1&ES8W5S``(P`0````4```!33510`````!X``S !````%P```$)/0RU,0$Q)4U13 M15)6+E-00RY%1%4```,`%0P!`````P#^#P8````>``$P`0```!\````G0D]# M+TAA=VMW:6YD($1I`' ``0````8` M``!213H at +@````(!<0`!````%@````&[D!P`TOH'K.+[]1'/LKL`(*_'=' ` M`!X`'@P!````!0```%--5% `````'@`?# $````2````;61P0'1A9'!O;&4N M8V\N=6L````#``80K[;&[P,`!Q#^`@``'@`($ $```!E````3D\L25-424Q, M1$].5%5.1$524U1!3D0M+2TM+2TM+2TM1E)/33I*3TA!3D5$3%5.1$A33510 M.DA!5TM*3T5 14M!15))0U-33TY315-%3E0Z5$A54E-$05DL055'55-4,C(L M,0`````"`0D0`0```%$$``!-! ``70<``$Q:1G7V!-O9_P`*`0\"%0*H!>L" M at P!0`O()`@!C: K #$T M- WP#- >HPM9,:XV"J #8!/08P5 +2#'KPJ''WL,,"!&1 at -A.B'.8R!&#((@ M2F\1@ . at 109D"D <(&A;4TU4!% Z$8!W:VIO90! 14M!+D5220!#4U-/3BY3 M17Y=(6\B?09@`C CKR2[5$)H"'!S9&%Y&Q!!B'5G=1/ (#(R&Q 0,3DY-BV0 M,#HU9C$H/R)]5&\J?R2[34QU;!M@"U!E(!808X\%( B0`C $(&]F(!X`P2TQ M0D]#+4PN3RE..'5B:B"!,&\DNU)EYS; '+\=Q#,V'T<:12!&@D$%0# X.C0W M+9/*+3P at +2U@("L>D!Y I1L0>0A@('<@4CH*A>0^5Q& =#\^1CY&(,_V/B-D M08!""L "(#/P%: +`W F5',*L&-Y0%0`14Q%4$]25"[H0T]-*"8^*C1!@"Q? 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Cheers Mike P ---------- From: simon[SMTP:sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 1996 11:41 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Michael Moorcock 's Singing Enagagement NYC (8/19)[radio](fwd) Reply to Allan T Grohe Jr about Re: Michael Moorcock 's Singing Enagagement NYC (8/19)[radio](fwd) > here's the news from Jim Freund who taped the reading for > WBAI--it will be broadcast, along with an interview on > saturday 8/24 on WBAI 99.5 FM (new york city) 5-7am. > the show's name is "hour of the wolf" i will be trying to > get a copy from a friend in nyc but if there's anyone on the > list over there who can definitely tape it please email me! >dave >---- >Allan. I'd love a copy of this if it happens. If anybody knows a way of getting a copy to the UK then I love to hear from them. 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MH A at 0T(\;SU_/H4*A3\/>4 :/B!*91]@%A!&L73[1*$>`'<$( -21, '<">! MR&5U;AV =VA#T &0?G )@$M#%A!)03X1`A!RH4GN5T)!223P:05 TP/P*J @ M8AW08 at -@24#\8V$3P!U !T "(#X@`_"?2U 2D at -2UP M-V%M+AM<2E=+4G-]3/!W1K$^4 > 4@`$("(O3/ (<#<22U)W!O!F(N-2`$_W M=')Y/@(>,$GN_QRH2]06-00$4Q!I!+0DL#`' _'& > M`52Q2U%)[C=3;W;_!)!?=$S34- #H VQ"X!/T/]%\$.A33%2``5 -C%0X!W0 MWQ/@"W #( > 'FT^,$!B,/])YB592>9#\U<-'6-B(5U&WUH368%?44_1$8!P M34 `@"XN'")@`0;@9$.@:V[_6.!?X4S05#$W(1RA-A ^$?YA"H5=. #`! 0``````,`$1 `````0 `',*! simon writes: > Reply to Andrew Gilham about Re: sabbath/moorcock? > > >ObHW: Had a look for the Alan Davey record yesterday. Wasn't there. It's on > >EBS, isn't it? So it's bound to be 2 weeks late... :) > > It's out in the UK. I saw it on Monday but didn't have the money (as normal). > It's one of those card covers like the other recent stuff. Nice cover. > It's out. Unexpected first track with Ron Tree that's fast and loud and sounds, at first hearing, exactly like Death Trap only with different lyrics. After that it goes mostly rather quiet and melodic which, for those folk who like action in their music, may be a bit disappointing but I found it extremely peaceful and rather beautiful. There are a couple of faster-paced, more bass driven tracks to break the flow but it's definitely an introspective kind of album with the highlight (on first hearing) being track 3 'Higher Than Before'. I've only listened through it once - and was interrupted by something half way through so this is by no means a definitive review! But I got the impression that the 2nd half of the album isn't quite as musically complex as the first half. However I like what I've heard so far and think I'm going to enjoy this playing this album regularly. IMOly jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 22 13:04:43 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:04:43 BST Subject: Alan Davey's album Message-ID: Postscript - the above is the Header I should have put on the previous message! sigh jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 22 13:18:00 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:18:00 BST Subject: OFF: Re: Pyramids In-Reply-To: Gordon Hundley's message of Thu, 22 Aug 1996 02:26:00 BST-1 Message-ID: Gordon Hundley writes: > It's probably called 'Zeta Orionis', since that's a star in he > constellation of Orion, of particular interest if you'd read > Bauval/Hancock/Gilbert/West's theories about the positioning of the > pyramids of Giza/Dashour. This star (Almtak to the Persians) in Orion's is that the one with 3 pyramids of different heights in a (not quite) straight line representing different star magnitudes and at least two (not quite sure if all four exist) small pyramids built in appropriate positions and distances around them so it seems like they were trying to map out Orion on the ground as well? I think that's the theory anyhow - it may still be a long way from provability.... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Aug 22 10:52:07 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:52:07 EST Subject: sabbath/moorcock? Message-ID: > good morning, list > this is free thoughts directly stolen from the sabbath mailing list: > > ----------------------------------------------- > > I just purchased the EI [eternal idol] remaster. I still consider > > it an amazing album. The title track and the shinning are simply great > > This one and "Tyr" are my favourite Tony Martin era albums. Granted, EI > seemed to appear at a time when Iommi was just struggling to keep the > band's head above water, but Tony Martin did a pretty good job IMHO of > filling in in a pinch. Still, I think that all told, the album sounds > better with Ray Gillen. > I've always thought that Tony Martin had the best voice of any of the Sab singers. Not that I think this is their best material. Even though Ozzy's not really much of a singer, he suited the mood of their early stuff quite well. And was very compatible, in some strange way, to Geezer's lyrics. The band changed dramatically when Dio got aboard, due chiefly to his taking over the lyric writing. He was also a great showman. I haven't see Sab with Tony, so I can't comment on his live role, but his lyrics created another stylistic departure for the band, leaning now toward mythology [Tyr] and then to the political stuff... theo From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Aug 22 11:05:26 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:05:26 -0400 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? Message-ID: >> >I've always thought that Tony Martin had the best voice of any of >the Sab singers. Not that I think this is their best material. Even >though Ozzy's not really much of a singer, he suited the mood of What? You can't be serious. I think Ozzy has one of the all-time greatest voices in rocknroll >theo Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Aug 22 11:08:25 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:08:25 -0400 Subject: spong Message-ID: #### ##### #### # # #### # # # # # ## # # # #### # # # # # # # # # ##### # # # # # # ### # # # # # # ## # # #### # #### # # #### From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Aug 22 11:11:25 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:11:25 -0400 Subject: 125 Things Message-ID: Well, not being grumpy today, and also being able to type de at my mail prompt if I was grumpy, I hope that Jerry will keep me on his mailing list Martyn From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Aug 22 12:33:22 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:33:22 EST Subject: sabbath/moorcock? Message-ID: Martyn explodes over mine: > >> > >I've always thought that Tony Martin had the best voice of any of > >the Sab singers. Not that I think this is their best material. Even > >though Ozzy's not really much of a singer, he suited the mood of > What? You can't be serious. I think Ozzy has one > of the all-time greatest voices in rocknroll > > >theo > > Martyn > I'm not saying Ozzy isn't an effective singer. Hell, millions of fans can't be wrong. I'm talking more in terms of musicality, and richness of tone. In those terms, I'd say Tony has a more traditional voice. But certainly Ozzy's voice works well for his material, and it did fit in well with the mood of the original Sab. theo From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu Aug 22 11:52:47 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:52:47 -0400 Subject: HW: Calling Chris Message-ID: Sorry for using the list for this, Could Chris Stier please contact me? I can't find your home email address and I don't know if you are back at work yet. Thanks, Duane From stayer at PI.NET Thu Aug 22 03:57:32 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:57:32 PDT Subject: HW Sep 7 Message-ID: Nico (and others I guess), >I'm searching for informations about the Tilburg 'sweet smoke festival' >in holland (7th september)?Hawkwind will be there!VENUE?TICKETS?TELEPHONE >NUMBER...? I haven't heard about it yet, but I will try and find out. I'll let you all know Jerry From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Aug 22 12:30:15 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 02:30:15 +1000 Subject: spong In-Reply-To: <9608221508.AA08804@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Martyn White wrote: > #### ##### #### # # #### > # # # # # ## # # # > #### # # # # # # # # > # ##### # # # # # # ### > # # # # # # ## # # > #### # #### # # #### > What? Troy From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Aug 22 12:49:05 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 09:49:05 PDT Subject: spong In-Reply-To: <9608221508.AA08804@borg.med.ecu.edu>; from "Martyn White" at Aug 22, 96 11:08 am Message-ID: Very impressive, Martin, you found the "banner" command! Wot's it mean, then?? > > #### ##### #### # # #### > # # # # # ## # # # > #### # # # # # # # # > # ##### # # # # # # ### > # # # # # # ## # # > #### # #### # # #### > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Aug 22 13:04:12 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:04:12 -0400 Subject: spong Message-ID: The "trippy night" "." thread reminded me of an underground comic I read in the early '80s. A guy is alone in his apartment and decides to experiment with a hallucinogenic cocktail. The next picture finds him sitting and thinking "hmmm, nothing much happening yet". Then over the page, he has a very startled look, you can see his skull through his head which is drawn against a star field. Above his head in large letters is the caption "SPONG". Among the friends I was with, SPONG became the word to say on certain occassions. In any event, the name of the publication "Brainstorm Comics" So now you see that I would never post anything without a Hawkwind connection Martyn From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Thu Aug 22 13:20:06 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 18:20:06 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Pyramids Message-ID: >Gordon Hundley writes: > >> It's probably called 'Zeta Orionis', since that's a star in he >> constellation of Orion, of particular interest if you'd read >> Bauval/Hancock/Gilbert/West's theories about the positioning of the >> pyramids of Giza/Dashour. This star (Almtak to the Persians) in Orion's > > >is that the one with 3 pyramids of different heights in a (not quite) >straight line representing different star magnitudes and at least two >(not quite sure if all four exist) small pyramids built in appropriate >positions and distances around them so it seems like they were trying >to map out Orion on the ground as well? I think that's the theory >anyhow - it may still be a long way from provability.... > > >jill Try checking out sci.archaeology if you're interested in this sorta stuff. You'll see how far away from provability we are! It just seems to be constant bickering! Personally I think there's a pretty good case for what Buval etc. have to say, but it really relies on taking peoples' word on things. Unless you do the studies/tests/whatever yourself, how can you rely on the data? There's "evidence" that backs up both sides of the argument...so which is right?!! And what's gonna be behind the "door" discovered in the Great Pyramid? Well, in a sad attempt at combining "humour" and making this thread somehow end up on HW, I hereby predict it's gonna be a Sonic Attack promo w/cloth bag. Maybe. From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Aug 22 13:50:30 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:50:30 +0200 Subject: HawKwinD: the psychaedelic warlords Message-ID: I signori della guerra psichedelica, ? il titolo di una canzone degli Hawkwind sul mitico "The hall of the mountain grill" del 1974. Ma in realt?questi signori erano gi? il to dell`Heavy-psichedelic sin dai primi passi mossi sul finire dei sixties prima come Group X, poi Hawkwind Zoo ed infine Hawkwind... er, someone into the Italian language, who wanna help with the translation of the Vinile Magazine article? \\joe From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Aug 22 15:31:04 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:31:04 -0400 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? In-Reply-To: <9608221505.AA08795@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Aug 22, 96 11:05:26 am Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > > >> > >I've always thought that Tony Martin had the best voice of any of > >the Sab singers. Not that I think this is their best material. Even > >though Ozzy's not really much of a singer, he suited the mood of > What? You can't be serious. I think Ozzy has one > of the all-time greatest voices in rocknroll And I think you're both nuts! :-) Dio was the best they ever had, even if he was an asshole (he and Iommi clearly deserve each other). Tony Martin's voice is no better than "acceptable". It has a lot of the same tonalities as Dio's, but he doesn't have as much control, nor the expressive emotional range that Dio does. Ozzy is a great bandleader, but that's more in spite of his voice than because of it. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Aug 22 17:07:22 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:07:22 EST Subject: sabbath/moorcock? Message-ID: > Martyn White writes: > > > > >> > > >I've always thought that Tony Martin had the best voice of any of > > >the Sab singers. Not that I think this is their best material. Even > > >though Ozzy's not really much of a singer, he suited the mood of > > What? You can't be serious. I think Ozzy has one > > of the all-time greatest voices in rocknroll > > And I think you're both nuts! :-) Dio was the best they ever had, > even if he was an asshole (he and Iommi clearly deserve each other). > Tony Martin's voice is no better than "acceptable". It has a lot of > the same tonalities as Dio's, but he doesn't have as much control, > nor the expressive emotional range that Dio does. > > Ozzy is a great bandleader, but that's more in spite of his voice > than because of it. ;-) > > Steve > swann at panix.com I'd argue that 'Dehumanizer' is Sab's best album. theo From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Thu Aug 22 15:25:01 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:25:01 -0400 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? In-Reply-To: <19960822193104.6456.qmail@mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Aug 22, 96 03:31:04 pm Message-ID: Steve "ears of clay :-) " Swann says-- > Martyn White writes: > > > > >I've always thought that Tony Martin had the best voice of any of > > >the Sab singers. Not that I think this is their best material. Even > > >though Ozzy's not really much of a singer, he suited the mood of > > What? You can't be serious. I think Ozzy has one > > of the all-time greatest voices in rocknroll > > And I think you're both nuts! :-) Dio was the best they ever had, > even if he was an asshole (he and Iommi clearly deserve each other). > Tony Martin's voice is no better than "acceptable". It has a lot of > the same tonalities as Dio's, but he doesn't have as much control, > nor the expressive emotional range that Dio does. Martyn is correct--Ozzy was the best Black Sabbath vocalist. Dio has a reasonably good voice, in a very conventional sense, but he's a bit too wrapped up in his own sense of rock 'n roll grandiosity to take seriously. Listening to Dio, I'm more prone to think "Is this guy for real?" than "What a great vocalist!". > Ozzy is a great bandleader, but that's more in spite of his voice > than because of it. ;-) Listen to Sabotage, Volume Four, and Never Say Die, and I MAY absolve you of your sins. :-) Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Aug 22 18:05:20 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 17:05:20 EST Subject: sabbath/moorcock? Message-ID: > > Martyn is correct--Ozzy was the best Black Sabbath vocalist. Dio has a > reasonably good voice, in a very conventional sense, but he's a bit too > wrapped up in his own sense of rock 'n roll grandiosity to take seriously. > Listening to Dio, I'm more prone to think "Is this guy for real?" than > "What a great vocalist!". > > > Ozzy is a great bandleader, but that's more in spite of his voice > > than because of it. ;-) > > Listen to Sabotage, Volume Four, and Never Say Die, and I MAY absolve you > of your sins. :-) > > Guido > Well, for sure, Vol. 4 is an all-time, desert isle classic, though again, not nec. because of Ozzy! Who needs absolution? theo From BLAUCHNO at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Thu Aug 22 17:33:07 1996 From: BLAUCHNO at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:33:07 -0600 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? -Reply Message-ID: >>> "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" 08/22/96 03:07pm >>> I'd argue that 'Dehumanizer' is Sab's best album. theo >>> Interesting that everyone seems to have their favorite Sabbath vocalist. I prefer Dio but just didn't enjoy 'Dehumanizer' as much as 'Mob Rules' and I still think 'Heaven and Hell' is Dio's best Sabbath work. Nearly rivaling Rainbow 'Rising'. Some of his solo work is also excellent. Ozzy's voice can be quite enjoyable to me. It can also grate on me. I didn't really care for Tony Martin. Based on previous mail some will think I'm nuts and some will agree completely.... Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us "I know, for I told me so. And I'm sure each of you quite agree" The Majest of Rock - Spinal Tap From dahl at MAIL.AROS.NET Thu Aug 22 18:41:39 1996 From: dahl at MAIL.AROS.NET (Brad Dahl) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:41:39 -0600 Subject: Videos Message-ID: Hey BOC fans, Is there anybody out there with concert videos they'd be interested in trading? Let me know, Brad http://www.moosenet.com/poison.html From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Aug 22 20:06:33 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:06:33 -0400 Subject: New Topic In-Reply-To: <9608221508.AA08804@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Aug 22, 96 11:08:25 am Message-ID: Hey Folks... I know it's been a bit thin, with apparently a lot of people taking time off from work and school, but the list seems to be in a rut at the moment. We need something new and preferably controversial to start getting interested in. I mean, when the 'What Black Sabbath singer was the best?' thread starts to take over *this* list (as opposed to the 'metal' newsgroup where it belongs), then you know it's really a slow news day. That's not to say that I'm not interested in Sabbath...I've got albums with all five singers...but maybe there's something we could talk about a *little* closer to topic. Like, I saw a couple of the 'new' Motorhead releases on CD the other day...I think they're on 'Restless' or was it 'Roadracer'?? I dunno..one of those 'R' labels. I had heard that they were re-mastered, but there wasn't any indication of that on the disc itself...although there were definitely bonus tracks. I think I saw Bomber and Ace of Spades, and maybe Iron Fist...I dunno, my memory's going. But I didn't see 'No Sleep 'till Hammersmith'...it'd be nice if they found the rest of that show to add on to that one...fill it out to 60-70 minutes or so. That was a great gig. Or maybe we could talk about people's favourite 'Hawkwind' logos & fonts. What do you think was their most classic emblem?? Was it the two-headed hawk? The Doremi shield? The Roadhawks train? The inverted triangle? The Warrior on the Edge? I know there's plenty more.... How 'bout 'fonts' then...for lack of a better word. They must've used more different styles than any other band. Only a few 'classics' have continued to appear over the years, including the 'Gothic' HotMG/Warrior style, the tilted Doremi style, and the angular 'Sonic Attack' lettering....a couple others I suppose. If I were to vote, I suppose I'd choose the Warrior image as my favourite Hawkwind icon (and my favourite album cover of all time), and the Sonic Attack lettering. When I lived in Philadelphia, I had painted an exact (well, close) replica of the Warrior cover (only the LP front) on my apartment wall...it was 5 feet square. Too bad I ended up moving and had to paint over it....except it meant I no longer lived in Philadelphia... :) Keith H. (FAA) BTW, Ian Gillan is my favourite vocalist that was in Black Sabbath...not *with* Black Sabbath, though. From jguizar at EPIX.NET Thu Aug 22 20:28:23 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:28:23 -0400 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 08/22/96 at 05:05 PM, "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" said: >> Listen to Sabotage, Volume Four, and Never Say Die, and I MAY absolve yo >> of your sins. :-) >> >Well, for sure, Vol. 4 is an all-time, desert isle classic, though again, >not nec. because of Ozzy! >Who needs absolution? What? You mean there's somebody besides me who likes Vol. 4? It's a toss-up between the S/T and _Heaven and Hell_ as my favorite. Jerry ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From swann at MINDVOX.COM Thu Aug 22 20:35:39 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:35:39 -0400 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? -Reply In-Reply-To: from "Brad M. Lauchnor" at Aug 22, 96 03:33:07 pm Message-ID: Brad M. Lauchnor writes: > [...] > prefer Dio but just didn't enjoy 'Dehumanizer' as much as 'Mob > Rules' and I still think 'Heaven and Hell' is Dio's best Sabbath work. Nearly > rivaling Rainbow 'Rising'. Some of his solo work is also excellent. Ozzy's > voice can be quite enjoyable to me. It can also grate on me. I didn't really > care for Tony Martin. Based on previous mail some will think I'm nuts and > some will agree completely.... Well, I don't often *completely* agree with anybody, because I'm a nit picky bastard. :-) But this post pretty much agrees in total with my perception Dio's career: _Heaven and Hell_ and Rainbow's _Rising_ are definitely the high points. I've been looking for the remastered _Heaven and Hell_, but the damn things sells out as fast the local record stores can stock it. _Rising_... well, I just keep praying. :-) Also, a friend of mine keeps insisting that I should listen to _Long Live Rock 'n Roll_. The title appalls me, but this particular friend has almost never been wrong on the subject of music.... As for Guido's assertion that Dio's grandiosity is a point against him... what can I say? I love Wagner's Ring cycle, too... :-) Steve swann at panix.com From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Thu Aug 22 21:19:30 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (simon) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 02:19:30 +0100 Subject: Michael Moorcock 's Singing Enagagement NYC (8/19)[radio](fwd) In-Reply-To: <01BB9024.8363D180@dhcp-3.tadpole.co.uk> Message-ID: Reply to Mike Parkington about Re: Michael Moorcock 's Singing Enagagement NYC (8/19)[radio](fwd) >Simon, >If you get a copy, I'd like one too! >Cheers >Mike P No problem. IF I get a copy. No replies yet :( Remind me in a couple of weeks, I have a bad habit of deleting mail I mean to keep. I know I do it but can't seem to shake the habit! Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From skarsol at EROLS.COM Thu Aug 22 18:24:45 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:24:45 +0000 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? Message-ID: Stephen Swann wrote: > And I think you're both nuts! :-) Dio was the best they ever had, > even if he was an asshole (he and Iommi clearly deserve each other). > Tony Martin's voice is no better than "acceptable". It has a lot of > the same tonalities as Dio's, but he doesn't have as much control, > nor the expressive emotional range that Dio does. > nah-its ian giilan for me.then dio,and i hate ozzy,but not sab-ozzy. rj From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Aug 22 22:46:08 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:46:08 -0400 Subject: spong In-Reply-To: <9608221649.AA24967@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com> Message-ID: Craig writes: > Very impressive, Martin, you found the "banner" command! Yeah, but he only found the Sys V "banner" command. Wait until he finds the BSD version! ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _Guitar_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Aug 22 23:00:46 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:00:46 -0400 Subject: spong Message-ID: > Very impressive, Martin, you found the "banner" command! > >Yeah, but he only found the Sys V "banner" command. Wait until he finds >the BSD version! ;-) > .Cheers, > >Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _Guitar_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Thu Aug 22 22:13:26 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:13:26 +1100 Subject: NT's LP Message-ID: On 22 Aug 96 at 0:02, Troy Harris wrote: > I have just recently bought NT's "past or future" CD, and I have a query > for anyone who is "in the know". Who are in the photos in the inner > sleeve? You know, the one's in the "spheres". I've only got a photocopy of it (thanks Chuck .... it arrived this morning!), but from what I can tell ....... Sphere 1: Copy nopt clear enough .... Nik's on the right end of the couch though Sphere 2: Nik in Space suit (same one used for darXtar gig last year) Sphere 3: Nik & ???? Sphere 4: Hard to tell ... could be Len Del Rio Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Aug 23 00:03:00 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 00:03:00 -0400 Subject: spong In-Reply-To: <9608230300.AA10338@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Aug 22, 96 11:00:46 pm Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > [ nothing ] Personally, I think Martyn's just been into the gin again. ;-) Steve swann at panix.com > > Very impressive, Martin, you found the "banner" command! > > > >Yeah, but he only found the Sys V "banner" command. Wait until he finds > >the BSD version! ;-) > > > .Cheers, > > > >Paul. > > obCD: Frank Zappa, _Guitar_ > > e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. > From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Aug 23 00:10:44 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 06:10:44 +0200 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? -Reply Message-ID: >But this post pretty much agrees in total with my perception Dio's >career: _Heaven and Hell_ and Rainbow's _Rising_ are definitely the >high points. I've been looking for the remastered _Heaven and Hell_, >but the damn things sells out as fast the local record stores can >stock it. _Rising_... well, I just keep praying. :-) > >Also, a friend of mine keeps insisting that I should listen to _Long >Live Rock 'n Roll_. The title appalls me, but this particular friend >has almost never been wrong on the subject of music.... I always used to claim _Heaven and Hell_ was Rainbows best, along with _Rising_... ;0) >Steve >swann at panix.com \\joe From spacy at TELEPORT.COM Fri Aug 23 03:18:41 1996 From: spacy at TELEPORT.COM (Baron Bloom) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:18:41 -0800 Subject: etc. Message-ID: Sorry for that trippy night message. Sometimes when I come home after a few beers I blaze the computer and do funny things. That night was pretty spacy because the sky was compleatly clear and I believe I was slightly affected by the gravational forces of the bright moon, etc. Nik and Helios sure rip hard togather on the hyperventilation track of Busting Through The Van Allan Belt (Helios Creed)!!! Yes the Doremi shield is pretty dam good. I have a few of those stickers in the Nik Turner version stuck onto my Mountain Bike. I love the font that spells out Nik Turner. I think Cleopatra is lacking in originality when they design Hawkwinds cd's, by using standard fonts, etc.! I have used some unique fonts that I made for the American Hawk Tales and for the and comming Hawk u.s. ,BB http://www.teleport.com/~spacy/ ------------------------------- spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) -------------------------------- From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Fri Aug 23 08:43:53 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:43:53 +-100 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? Message-ID: And Neil Young has the voice of a nightingale ---------- From: Stephen Swann[SMTP:swann at MINDVOX.COM] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 1996 08:31 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: sabbath/moorcock? Martyn White writes: > > >> > >I've always thought that Tony Martin had the best voice of any of > >the Sab singers. Not that I think this is their best material. Even > >though Ozzy's not really much of a singer, he suited the mood of > What? You can't be serious. I think Ozzy has one > of the all-time greatest voices in rocknroll And I think you're both nuts! :-) Dio was the best they ever had, even if he was an asshole (he and Iommi clearly deserve each other). Tony Martin's voice is no better than "acceptable". It has a lot of the same tonalities as Dio's, but he doesn't have as much control, nor the expressive emotional range that Dio does. 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This sounds fascinating. What is this door? where can I read up on this. Do you really think there will be a Sonic Attack promo behind it. Is it not possible that with all the concentrated cosmic rays that the disc could have mysteriously transmogrified into something more sinister eg a previously undiscovered album by Captain Beefheart. Or, even more unnatural, one of those pork McRib things. They have only recently been seen! Try checking out sci.archaeology if you're interested in this sorta stuff. You'll see how far away from provability we are! It just seems to be constant bickering! Personally I think there's a pretty good case for what Buval etc. have to say, but it really relies on taking peoples' word on things. Unless you do the studies/tests/whatever yourself, how can you rely on the data? There's "evidence" that backs up both sides of the argument...so which is right?!! And what's gonna be behind the "door" discovered in the Great Pyramid? 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You know, the one's in the "spheres". > > I've only got a photocopy of it (thanks Chuck .... it arrived this > morning!), but from what I can tell ....... > > Sphere 1: Copy not clear enough .... Nik's on the right end of the > couch though It's (l-r) House, Powell, Grenas, Turner. > Sphere 2: Nik in Space suit (same one used for darXtar gig last year) ...don't think I'll argue with that one... :) > Sphere 3: Nik & ???? I've no idea either. > Sphere 4: Hard to tell ... could be Len Del Rio Nope... Len looks like the Fonz. This guy has plenty of gray hair. It's probably Nik. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Fri Aug 23 09:15:16 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:15:16 +-100 Subject: New Topic Message-ID: OK, New subject. Lets try the "how many people have got out of their heads with Lemmy" thread This must have huge potential. I went to see Motorhead at the Cambridge Corn Exchange must have been 1979 or '80. they were being supported by Saxon. Me and a group of other Guys ended up (after a considerable quantity of various types of booze) stumbling into a bar in the market square where Lemmy was "preparing" for the gig. We then spent about an hour or so drinking with the great man. I seem to remember that in exchange for the Southern Comfort that I bought Lemmy he bought me a pie? How odd! After the excessive volume of the gig they had to carry out repairs to the roof. It must have been a great gig, I felt ill for days afterwards. Mike P. ---------- From: Keith A Henderson[SMTP:khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU] Sent: Friday, August 23, 1996 01:06 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: New Topic Hey Folks... I know it's been a bit thin, with apparently a lot of people taking time off from work and school, but the list seems to be in a rut at the moment. We need something new and preferably controversial to start getting interested in. I mean, when the 'What Black Sabbath singer was the best?' thread starts to take over *this* list (as opposed to the 'metal' newsgroup where it belongs), then you know it's really a slow news day. That's not to say that I'm not interested in Sabbath...I've got albums with all five singers...but maybe there's something we could talk about a *little* closer to topic. Like, I saw a couple of the 'new' Motorhead releases on CD the other day...I think they're on 'Restless' or was it 'Roadracer'?? I dunno..one of those 'R' labels. I had heard that they were re-mastered, but there wasn't any indication of that on the disc itself...although there were definitely bonus tracks. I think I saw Bomber and Ace of Spades, and maybe Iron Fist...I dunno, my memory's going. But I didn't see 'No Sleep 'till Hammersmith'...it'd be nice if they found the rest of that show to add on to that one...fill it out to 60-70 minutes or so. That was a great gig. Or maybe we could talk about people's favourite 'Hawkwind' logos & fonts. What do you think was their most classic emblem?? Was it the two-headed hawk? The Doremi shield? The Roadhawks train? The inverted triangle? The Warrior on the Edge? I know there's plenty more.... How 'bout 'fonts' then...for lack of a better word. They must've used more different styles than any other band. Only a few 'classics' have continued to appear over the years, including the 'Gothic' HotMG/Warrior style, the tilted Doremi style, and the angular 'Sonic Attack' lettering....a couple others I suppose. If I were to vote, I suppose I'd choose the Warrior image as my favourite Hawkwind icon (and my favourite album cover of all time), and the Sonic Attack lettering. 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I've heard it is very trippy, too bad I cant use it because I'm on a macintosh, shit. http://www.afn.org/~cthugha/ ,BB http://www.teleport.com/~spacy/ ------------------------------- spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) -------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Aug 23 04:54:37 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:54:37 +0100 Subject: New Topic In-Reply-To: <01BB90D3.9A122440@dhcp-3.tadpole.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <01BB90D3.9A122440 at dhcp-3.tadpole.co.uk>, Mike Parkington writes >OK, New subject. Lets try the "how many people have got out of their heads >with Lemmy" thread > >This must have huge potential. Ther was a time when it was impossible to go out in London and *not* meet Lemmy. He was everywhere at once. Every pub before any gig, at the gig and and at the bloody nightclub after. Ended up drinking with him several times, but I would imagine so has everybody else in London! I gather Tad Doyle is the same in Seattle, in the words of P. Bagge "How can you go out and not meet Tad?" -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Aug 23 04:39:45 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:39:45 +0100 Subject: spong or frap? In-Reply-To: <9608221704.AA09039@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: In message <9608221704.AA09039 at borg.med.ecu.edu>, Martyn White writes > The "trippy night" "." thread reminded me of an >underground comic I read in the early '80s. A guy is alone in his >apartment and decides to experiment with a hallucinogenic cocktail. >The next picture finds him sitting and thinking "hmmm, nothing >much happening yet". Then over the page, he has a very >startled look, you can see his skull through his >head which is drawn against a star field. Above his head in >large letters is the caption "SPONG". Among the friends I >was with, SPONG became the word to say on certain occassions. > In any event, the name of the publication > > "Brainstorm Comics" > >So now you see that I would never post anything without a Hawkwind connection > >Martyn Well, Hilariously enough issue 6 of Brainstorm Comix (by the great Bryan Talbot) was subtitled Amazing Rock'n'Roll Stories featured a band of Aliens taking the world over with their brand of mind-controlling psychedelia and LP covers with a contact hallucinagenic etc. Anyway when the alien band does their first gig they have a stack of synths which would " make Hawkwind jealous". In fact on 2 or 3 occasions in the story the only way to convey how far out this band are is to describe them as "further out than Hawkwind" ! So Mart, I'm afraid you did post a Hawk-related message after all. Wasn't it "FRAP" though, not "SPONG"? I clearly remember the line "my head went FRAP and then I came down" :) The character was Chester B. Hackenbush , The Psychedelic Alchemist BTW! -- Jon Browne From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Fri Aug 23 11:10:39 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:10:39 +-100 Subject: New Topic Message-ID: Precisely! So, what tales? ---------- From: Jon Browne[SMTP:jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK] Sent: Friday, August 23, 1996 09:54 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: New Topic In message <01BB90D3.9A122440 at dhcp-3.tadpole.co.uk>, Mike Parkington writes >OK, New subject. Lets try the "how many people have got out of their heads >with Lemmy" thread > >This must have huge potential. Ther was a time when it was impossible to go out in London and *not* meet Lemmy. He was everywhere at once. Every pub before any gig, at the gig and and at the bloody nightclub after. Ended up drinking with him several times, but I would imagine so has everybody else in London! I gather Tad Doyle is the same in Seattle, in the words of P. 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ObCs- The HEADS- Relaxing with the HEads From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Aug 23 09:09:09 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:09:09 -0400 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? -Reply Message-ID: \\joe states > >I always used to claim _Heaven and Hell_ was Rainbows best, along with >_Rising_... >;0) > I always felt that when Dio sang with BS and Rainbow, it no longer sounded like either band, it just sounded like Dio. This is not a complaint mind you, Rainbow Rising is one of my faves, it just seems he took over the sound of each band he contributed to. Duane From chip at PCC.COM Fri Aug 23 09:07:02 1996 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:07:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: Rainbow/Dio In-Reply-To: <19960823003539.10946.qmail@mindvox.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Aug 22, 96 08:35:39 pm Message-ID: Stephen Swann spoke thusly: > But this post pretty much agrees in total with my perception Dio's > career: _Heaven and Hell_ and Rainbow's _Rising_ are definitely the > high points... > Also, a friend of mine keeps insisting that I should listen to _Long > Live Rock 'n Roll_. The title appalls me, but this particular friend > has almost never been wrong on the subject of music.... _LLRnR_ is an *ok* album (I mean, how great can an album be with THAT title track - save by Manowar?). I think Dio's best work, **by far**, is on the Rainbow _Live!_ album. Besides being BLACKMORE'S best work, Dio is nuts on "Mistreated" and "Catch The Rainbow." -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8214 From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Aug 23 10:10:46 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:10:46 EST Subject: sabbath/moorcock? -Reply Message-ID: Duane observes: > \\joe states > > > >I always used to claim _Heaven and Hell_ was Rainbows best, along with > >_Rising_... > >;0) > > > > I always felt that when Dio sang with BS and Rainbow, it no longer sounded > like either band, it just sounded like Dio. This is not a complaint mind you, > Rainbow Rising is one of my faves, it just seems he took over the sound of > each band he contributed to. > > Duane That's saying something considering the egos of the guitarists in those bands. I'd be curious to see Ritchie's opinion on your observation! theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Aug 23 09:45:00 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:45:00 -0400 Subject: OFF: Sabbath vocalists Message-ID: All right, if Sabbath is gonna dominate the BOC-L discussions today, then so be it. Some of what I say here has already been said before, but hey, re-hashing is one of our forte's! ;-) Ozzy was the original, so one can always argue that he was the best. Definitely not the best vocally, but he fit in well with the band's style - and besides, who sez rock and roll always has to sound "pretty"? And, in his own wacky way, he is a great performer live (endangering the lives of bats notwithstanding). Dio definitely brought a whole new direction to the band, which as someone else pointed out, made the band sound like, well Dio. Definitely some great work (especially the *Heaven and Hell* album, which has a sound alot like Dio's first few solo albums after leaving Sabbath -- I thought at the time that *Holy Diver* was incredible, with *The Last in Line* being even stronger). As for singing the Ozzy tunes, some of it worked (Dio did a pretty good rendition of "Iron Man" and "Children of the Grave"), but some of it sounded kinda silly (like "Paranoid" and "NIB"). Ian Gillan, IMHO, was a fantastic vocalist for Sabbath. Some of the tracks on *Born Again* (like "Disturbing the Priest", and "Hotline") are fantastic. Live, Gillan was great with some of the older Sabbath stuff as well, coming closer to Ozzy in some songs (like "Paranoid" and "War Pigs") than Dio ever did, and some of his hellish screams on songs like "Black Sabbath" blew both Ozzy's and Dio's renditions away. Alas, I can comment no further as I didn't pay attention to post-Gillen Sabbath. John From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Aug 23 09:57:13 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:57:13 -0400 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? -Reply In-Reply-To: <106FBC37E27@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" at Aug 23, 96 09:10:46 am Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL 84 writes: > > Duane observes: > > \\joe states > > > > > >I always used to claim _Heaven and Hell_ was Rainbows best, along with > > >_Rising_... > > >;0) > > > > > > > I always felt that when Dio sang with BS and Rainbow, it no longer sounded > > like either band, it just sounded like Dio. This is not a complaint mind you, > > Rainbow Rising is one of my faves, it just seems he took over the sound of > > each band he contributed to. > > > > Duane > > That's saying something considering the egos of the guitarists in > those bands. I'd be curious to see Ritchie's opinion on your > observation! Yeah, I can see what Duane means, though. Black Sabbath adopted a style during the Dio years that was radically different than that they'd done with Ozzy. In fact, it *does* seem more similar to Rainbow than it does to earlier Sabbath material. And then, even when he went solo, his albums still sounded distinctly like his Rainbow and Black Sabbath albums (though not as good - I don't think he ever put together a backup band that was a match for Rainbow or Sabbath). I can't say, though, that Rainbow sounded much like Elf, despite having many of the same musicians. ;-) Anyway, though - as somebody mentioned - this conversation doesn't really belong on this list. Steve swann at panix.com From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Aug 23 10:00:56 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 07:00:56 PDT Subject: NT's LP In-Reply-To: ; from "Le Monsieur" at Aug 23, 96 3:06 am Message-ID: > > On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Assassin Sonique wrote: > > On 22 Aug 96 at 0:02, Troy Harris wrote: > > > > > I have just recently bought NT's "past or future" CD, and I have a query > > > for anyone who is "in the know". Who are in the photos in the inner > > > sleeve? You know, the one's in the "spheres". > > > > I've only got a photocopy of it (thanks Chuck .... it arrived this > > morning!), but from what I can tell ....... > > > > Sphere 1: Copy not clear enough .... Nik's on the right end of the > > couch though > It's (l-r) House, Powell, Grenas, Turner. > Yeah, but who's the girl?!? > > Sphere 2: Nik in Space suit (same one used for darXtar gig last year) > ...don't think I'll argue with that one... :) > > > Sphere 3: Nik & ???? > I've no idea either. > > > Sphere 4: Hard to tell ... could be Len Del Rio > Nope... Len looks like the Fonz. This guy has plenty of gray hair. It's > probably Nik. > I think its Del. Those are some VSC-3's that he's twiddling...Nik isn't credited for synths (not that that means anything, in regards to a photo). > Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the > aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore > dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 23 14:59:38 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 14:59:38 BST Subject: HawKwinD: the psychaedelic warlords In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Thu, 22 Aug 1996 19:50:30 +0200 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > I signori della guerra psichedelica, =E8 il titolo di una canzone degli > Hawkwind sul mitico "The hall of the mountain grill" del 1974. Ma in > realt=E0questi signori erano gi=E0 il to dell`Heavy-psichedelic sin dai p= > rimi > passi mossi sul finire dei sixties prima come Group X, poi Hawkwind Zoo e= > d > infine Hawkwind... > > er, someone into the Italian language, who wanna help with the translatio= > n > of the Vinile Magazine article? > > \\joe If you type the whole text in I can email it to an italian guy I know who'll translate it... FoFP From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Aug 23 12:28:10 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:28:10 -0500 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? -Reply Message-ID: Steve sez: > Yeah, I can see what Duane means, though. Black Sabbath adopted a > style during the Dio years that was radically different than that > they'd done with Ozzy. In fact, it *does* seem more similar to > Rainbow than it does to earlier Sabbath material. And then, even when > he went solo, his albums still sounded distinctly like his Rainbow and > Black Sabbath albums (though not as good - I don't think he ever put > together a backup band that was a match for Rainbow or Sabbath). > Ya gotta remember that when Dio joined Sab he started writing most of the lyrics. That explains, to a large extent, the shift in focus within the band. Prior to that, Geezer [not Ozzy] wrote most of Sab's lyrics, at least on the first few albums. Geezer's style is more, for want of a better word, socio-political than RJD's, which, at least in his early Sab days, tended more toward mythology and [anti-] religious ranting... theo From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Fri Aug 23 10:00:57 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:00:57 -0500 Subject: music/melting gfx In-Reply-To: from "Baron Bloom" at Aug 23, 96 01:15:44 am Message-ID: > > At this site you can download a program that lets you watch your > music melt. I've heard it is very trippy, too bad I cant use it because I'm > on a macintosh, shit. > > http://www.afn.org/~cthug> Just checked out the page... As of 8/20 ther is a Power Mac version there too! Thanks. -- "If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6134 From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Fri Aug 23 09:04:00 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:04:00 -0400 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? Message-ID: >nah-its ian giilan for me.then dio,and i hate ozzy,but not sab-ozzy. rj Alright! I thought I was the only one who liked the Born Again album! Chris From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Aug 23 12:37:19 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 12:37:19 -0400 Subject: sabbath/moorcock?/Neil Young Message-ID: >And Neil Young has the voice of a nightingale Now there I agree with you. BTW has anyone listened to "Broken Arrow". I think I like it but it is taking me a while to get into it for some reason Martyn ObHWcontent> Neil Young comes 2nd to HW for representation in my CD collection From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Aug 23 13:50:58 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:50:58 -0400 Subject: spong or frap? Message-ID: >Well, Hilariously enough issue 6 of Brainstorm Comix (by the great Bryan >Talbot) was subtitled Amazing Rock'n'Roll Stories featured a band of >Aliens taking the world over with their brand of mind-controlling >psychedelia and LP covers with a contact hallucinagenic etc. > >Anyway when the alien band does their first gig they have a stack of >synths which would " make Hawkwind jealous". In fact on 2 or 3 occasions >in the story the only way to convey how far out this band are is to >describe them as "further out than Hawkwind" ! > >So Mart, I'm afraid you did post a Hawk-related message after all. Great to hear from somebody who has also read Brainstorm Comix. I didn't realise that they had got as far as issue 6. The one that I was discussing must be issue 1, right? >Wasn't it "FRAP" though, not "SPONG"? I clearly remember the line "my >head went FRAP and then I came down" :) The character was Chester B. >Hackenbush , The Psychedelic Alchemist BTW! The first picture when his trip comes on is definetely SPONG. I made a bunch of photocopies of this full page picture at work and gave them to friends as really cool wall posters :-). On subsequent pages, various things happen to Chester's head and one of them is a set of solid black and white zig zag electric lines going through it and this is the one with FRAP. Thats if my memory serves me correctly (which may not always be the case) If anyone has a copy of this issue and can scan these two pages in, I will buy them a bottle of "Tanqueray". Martyn BTW the content-free post of last night was caused by someone coming into the office to drag me out and my hitting ^D instead of ^C and I had been drinking "BUD ICE" and not (as has beeen alleged by another former resident of the great state of North Carolina who will remain nameless even though he knows exactly who he is and its always his fault under any circumstances ;-) gin and tonic. -- Jon Browne From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Fri Aug 23 15:04:16 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:04:16 -0400 Subject: Spiral Realms Live Message-ID: > Anyone heard the new Spiral Realms live CD? What do you think of > the version of Forge of Vulcain? I haven't heard it yet.. There's a few brief sound samples from it (but not from FoV) on the Hypnotic web site at: http://www.hallucinet.com/cyberden/cleopatra/Spiral_Realms/Solar_Wind/Solar_Wind.html Is it really live? It doesn't say "live" on it, and I actually thought it was a compilation when I first saw it. The realaudio samples are crummy enough that it is hard for me to tell. From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Aug 23 23:07:00 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon Hundley) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:07:00 BST-1 Subject: spong or frap? Message-ID: Bottle of good gin huh? I might just be able to arrange something (I don't have a scanner, but I do have much of Talbot's early published work, including all of the Hackenbush saga). Watch this space/time. Gordon. From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Aug 23 23:07:00 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon Hundley) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:07:00 BST-1 Subject: OFF: Re: Pyramids Message-ID: Yes, the basic insight that Bauval made while looking at Orion's belt was that it was the same as the ground plan of the three pyramids at Giza. Since then, he's done a lot of research and involved people from several disciplines in order to show that not only is this the case, but that the other major pyramids (4th through 6th dynasties) are also laid out as other stars in the sky, and that the Nile valley fits as the Milky Way. That's strange enough, but the degree of accuracy, and the knowledge of advanced astronomy, physics and mathematics that it suggests completely goes against all previously accepted views of ancient civilisations. The evidence is complelling, and while he necessarily draws some conclusions that seem hard to prove, its much harder to suggest other rational explanations that are more probable. Gilbert did a lot of the later work with Bauval, and is the most 'wired' of the bunch - you'll often finding him kicking about in sci.archeology. Thier book is called 'The Orion Mystery'. Hancock wrote another, heftier book called 'Fingerprints of the Gods' which explores the similarities in a number of ancient myth cultures in search of ancient civilisation. West's 'Serpent in the Sky' is nearly a decade earlier, exploring the possibility of a civilisation that antedates Pharonic Egypt, but contains less scientific observation. Bauval and Hancock co-authored 'Keeper of Genesis', a bbok about the Sphynx, which was recently published. What with Gantenbrink's discoveries in the southern shaft of the Queen's chamber, and the seismic surveys confirming the prediction of the chamber below the Sphinx, there are a number of contemporary archeologists, anthropologists and others who's theories may be disproven, hence the controversy. That's before we even go into stuff like the Chinese pyramids in Xian province, or the martian pyramids and face of 'Cydonia', etc, etc. We live in very very interesting times indeed. Book me a ticket on the Last Train to Lhasa please, I'd like to participate in the dawn of the 6th age of man. :) If you're facinated by this sort of thing, then Amateur Astronomy and Earth Sciences (AA&ES) is well worth subscribing to. The sci.archeology newsgroup has occasional gems and breaking news, but, as ever with UseNet, the signal:noise ratio is bad. Gordon. From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Aug 23 18:17:58 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:17:58 -0600 Subject: NEW DIO CD In-Reply-To: <106FBC37E27@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: Hi folks, Recently got this msg from the Black Sabbath list; Dio's new CD, called "Angry Machine" will be out on Sept 28th. It will be along the same lines as "Strange Highways" and also includes the same line-up of Dio, Tracy G on guitar, Jeff Pilson on bass, and Vinne Appice (a-pee-chee?) or (ap-y- cee?) on drums. Since we're on the subject of BS/Dio, thought I'd pass along this info. God bless... Manuel & Jean P.S. Ted O. Jackson; WHERE'S MY WORCESTER' 82 TAPE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Aug 23 18:19:15 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:19:15 -0600 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: yOn Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Stier, Christopher wrote: > >nah-its ian giilan for me.then dio,and i hate ozzy,but not sab-ozzy. rj > > Alright! I thought I was the only one who liked the Born Again album! > > Chris > Born Again ROCKS!!!! Seventh Star was EXCELLENT as well!!! Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Aug 23 18:28:23 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 18:28:23 -0400 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? -Reply Message-ID: > >Ted Jackson jr. EL 84 writes: >> >> Duane observes: >> > \\joe states >> > > >> > >I always used to claim _Heaven and Hell_ was Rainbows best, along with >> > >_Rising_... >> > >;0) >> > > >> > >> > I always felt that when Dio sang with BS and Rainbow, it no longer sounded >> > like either band, it just sounded like Dio. This is not a complaint mind you, >> > Rainbow Rising is one of my faves, it just seems he took over the sound of >> > each band he contributed to. >> > >> > Duane >> >> That's saying something considering the egos of the guitarists in >> those bands. I'd be curious to see Ritchie's opinion on your >> observation! > Well, egos aside, I did notice that the first album with Blackmore was called Blackmore's Rainbow, the second one somehow dropped the name Blackmore and was called Rainbow Rising. Maybe there was a clash of egos involving the band's name. >Yeah, I can see what Duane means, though. Black Sabbath adopted a >style during the Dio years that was radically different than that >they'd done with Ozzy. In fact, it *does* seem more similar to >Rainbow than it does to earlier Sabbath material. And then, even when >he went solo, his albums still sounded distinctly like his Rainbow and >Black Sabbath albums (though not as good - I don't think he ever put >together a backup band that was a match for Rainbow or Sabbath). > Since Ozzy had a hand in the songs with Sabbath, then he left and Dio had to add his signature style, I think that Dio didn't want to be Ozzy's replacement so much as a new energy to the band, which would mean a departure from the old. Duane No more will I add to this offtopic thread. Although when I first subscribed, I remember getting some sort of introduction that specifically mentioned Black Sabbath as one of the "other" sci-fi bands open to discussion along with HW and BOC. From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Aug 23 18:29:55 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 16:29:55 -0600 Subject: No BOC dates?! In-Reply-To: <106FBC37E27@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: Has anyone wondered why this is the last weekend that BOC have any shows scheduled. The play Massillion, OH tonight and De Kalb, ILL on Sat, but I believe that this is the 1st time in a long time that BOC have nothing scheduled to play. 1) Are they going into the studio finally? 2) Or is E. BLoom "resting" his voice? 3) Does anybody have any info on why no shows have been booked? God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu P.S. Ted O. Jackson; WHERE'S MY WORCESTER '82 TAPE????????????????????? From swann at MINDVOX.COM Fri Aug 23 19:35:30 1996 From: swann at MINDVOX.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 19:35:30 -0400 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? In-Reply-To: from "Stier, Christopher" at Aug 23, 96 09:04:00 am Message-ID: Stier, Christopher writes: > > >nah-its ian giilan for me.then dio,and i hate ozzy,but not sab-ozzy. rj > > Alright! I thought I was the only one who liked the Born Again album! Not by a long shot. I paid close to $30 for an import copy of the _Born Again_ CD before it got re-issued as one of the new remasters. A lot of my friends liked the Gillan Sabbath better than any of the others since Ozzy, too... Steve swann at panix.com From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Fri Aug 23 22:31:06 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 22:31:06 -0400 Subject: Spiral Realms Live Message-ID: ObCD: Spiral Realms, _Solar Wind_ Cleopatra Hypnotic CLP 9764-2 Inside it says "All tracks recorded live on the Space Ritual 1995 tour" ! In other words, to get the rock tracks from SR95, you need to get Nik Turner's _Past or Future_, while to get the synth tracks from SR95 you need to get Spiral Realms _Solar Wind_. Due to what is listed under the same cat# in the included Cleopatra catalog, I think this CD was originally entitled _Live Transmissions from G9_. Maybe during this title change the "live" got dropped from the cover. Tracks: Cysyrgy Lunar Sea 1000 Years Under Solar Sails Tritium Solar Wind Del Dettmar Improvisation The Forge Of Vulcan Interstellar Overdrive So there's some from the two Spiral Realms albums, and some tracks whose original versions were on Nik Turner, Hawkwind, and Pink Floyd albums. The Spiral Realms tracks sound somewhat like the originals, though House uses more violin here. "Forge of Vulcan" however, isn't nearly as good as the original. The whole CD doesn't have good sound quality, and sometimes sounds like a bootleg. From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Aug 24 00:35:51 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 00:35:51 -0400 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-22 22:30:35 EDT, you write: >nah-its ian giilan for me.then dio,and i hate ozzy,but not sab-ozzy. rj > > Sab ozzy is my favorite-and you would be hard pressed to name a band that had a better 1st 5 albumns. HI RJ- I DID YOUR SHARE, From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Aug 24 01:52:39 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 07:52:39 +0200 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? Message-ID: >>nah-its ian giilan for me.then dio,and i hate ozzy,but not sab-ozzy. rj > >Sab ozzy is my favorite-and you would be hard pressed to name a band that had >a better 1st 5 albumns. HI RJ- I DID YOUR SHARE, hawkwind? why not 6 albums, what's wrong with _Sabotage_? make it better 1st 120 albums, and hw is alone on the throne. though that Yuri you don't like. so now we're back on topic - where we was when the thread started... \\joe From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Aug 24 08:08:05 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 13:08:05 +0100 Subject: HW : SHOCK RUMOR In-Reply-To: <9608231750.AA11740@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: I've just been told that Alan Davey is to quit, apparently over a finacial dispute. This is an unsubstanciated rumour but it's from a pretty good source, who's been right in the past, sadly. What a fucking bummer of a week. My house got burgled AGAIN, four days later my car got ripped off with my HW COVERS tapes in it. And now this. :( :( :( :( -- Jon Browne From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Sat Aug 24 07:25:49 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 07:25:49 -0400 Subject: sabbath/moorcock?/Neil Young In-Reply-To: <9608231637.AA11198@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Aug 23, 96 12:37:19 pm Message-ID: Martyn says-- > >And Neil Young has the voice of a nightingale > Now there I agree with you. BTW has anyone listened to > "Broken Arrow". I think I like it but it is taking me a while to > get into it for some reason I really like Broken Arrow. The compositions are extremely good, Crazy Horse is in fine form, and Neil seems to have realized that he sounds a lot better when he's singing quietly. :-) The "slide the CD in the sleeve and scratch the hell out of it" packaging is, however, BS. > ObHWcontent > Neil Young comes 2nd to HW for representation in my CD collection HW comes in a fairly distant 2nd to Frank Zappa in my CD collection. :-) Guido -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Sat Aug 24 10:49:47 1996 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 07:49:47 -0700 Subject: HW: Neil Young/Hawkwind LIS In-Reply-To: <9608241125.AA18390@beaver.mbb.wesleyan.edu> from "Guido Vacano" at Aug 24, 96 07:25:49 am Message-ID: > I really like Broken Arrow. The compositions are extremely good, Crazy > Horse is in fine form, and Neil seems to have realized that he sounds a > lot better when he's singing quietly. :-) The "slide the CD in the sleeve > and scratch the hell out of it" packaging is, however, BS. I had trouble even finding the CD and getting it out once (it never went back in) with my _Broken Arrow_. Then again, I got _Love in Space_ last night, and couldn't get teh CDs out. They kept sliding over one another an dit took about all my coordination to hold one in while taking the other out. Then the booklet was stuck to the inside by a small strip of glue, and the tearing sound it made when I yanked to get it out was horrifying (but fortunately it didn't really tear). I guess this way they get two sales, one for the CD and one for blank jewel boxes (well worth the price with this nasty packaging). So, anyway, what's that pyramid like thing the alien is handing to the pregnant woman on the LIS cover? At first I thought it was a pile of gold coins, but now that I look at it with more light, I'm not sure. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I gnome at teleport.com "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." http://www.teleport.com/~gnome -P.K. Dick From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sat Aug 24 15:51:43 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 14:51:43 -0500 Subject: HW : SHOCK RUMOR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Jon Browne wrote: > I've just been told that Alan Davey is to quit, apparently over a > finacial dispute. > This is an unsubstanciated rumour but it's from a pretty good source, > who's been right in the past, sadly. That sucks; but then Alan is the drummer--hasn't HW gone through more drummers than any other musician? It was, perhaps, bound to happen sometime... :-( > What a fucking bummer of a week. My house got burgled AGAIN, four days > later my car got ripped off with my HW COVERS tapes in it. Can't do anything about the former (and you have my condolences), but I'm sure we can get you another set of Covers. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ From jguizar at EPIX.NET Sat Aug 24 16:13:49 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 16:13:49 -0400 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? -Reply In-Reply-To: <199608232228.AA14386@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> Message-ID: In <199608232228.AA14386 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu>, on 08/23/96 at 06:28 PM, Duane Hoyt said: >>> > I always felt that when Dio sang with BS and Rainbow, it no longer so >>> > like either band, it just sounded like Dio. This is not a complaint >>> > Rainbow Rising is one of my faves, it just seems he took over the sou >>> > each band he contributed to. >>> >>> That's saying something considering the egos of the guitarists in >>> those bands. I'd be curious to see Ritchie's opinion on your >>> observation! >> >Well, egos aside, I did notice that the first album with Blackmore was >called Blackmore's Rainbow, the second one somehow dropped the name >Blackmore and was called Rainbow Rising. Maybe there was a clash of egos >involving the band's name. I don't have my albums here, but I have it on my list as just Rainbow (I could,ve been wasted when I wrote it down). With all this talk I'm going to have to listen to them again. I don't remember what they sound like now (Down To Earth, Long Live Rock N Roll, On Stage, and Rising). Jerry ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Sun Aug 25 00:46:00 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon Hundley) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 00:46:00 BST-1 Subject: HW : SHOCK RUMOR Message-ID: Alan Davey is (was) the bass player of HW, who participated in songwriting and singing in his time. He's been in HW for about a decade. Gordon. From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat Aug 24 20:13:34 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:13:34 -0400 Subject: ALL: PLEASE USE SUBJECT HEADERS! Message-ID: Renders the filtering system absolutely USELESS if people persist in posting without the proper headers--i.e., HW, BOC, OFF, etc. The reason I didn't use one here is cuz this is not OFF topic but more ON than mosta the stuff that's tying up my phone line lately. Frinstance, out of the 15 posts I just received from BOC-L, only 3 had subject/filter thing right... Fine to discuss Sabbath and announce Dio and share the latest penis jokes, but please mark 'em according to instructions...'cause it makes downloading the daily tonnage a source of dread rather than joy and/or fun... Moderator PLEASE take note- THANX grump mode etc... DF From mumford at EUNET.NO Sat Aug 24 22:08:26 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 04:08:26 +0200 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? Message-ID: Ted Jackson jr. EL 84 wrote: > > > > > Martyn is correct--Ozzy was the best Black Sabbath vocalist. Dio has a > > reasonably good voice, in a very conventional sense, but he's a bit too > > wrapped up in his own sense of rock 'n roll grandiosity to take seriously. > > Listening to Dio, I'm more prone to think "Is this guy for real?" than > > "What a great vocalist!". > > > > > Ozzy is a great bandleader, but that's more in spite of his voice > > > than because of it. ;-) > > > > Listen to Sabotage, Volume Four, and Never Say Die, and I MAY absolve you > > of your sins. :-) > > > > Guido > > > Well, for sure, Vol. 4 is an all-time, desert isle classic, though > again, not nec. because of Ozzy! > Who needs absolution? > theo I wholeheartedly agree. A brilliant album. Their best... IMHO... as for Ozzy, well he always sounded drunk and fucked up and complimented the grunginess of their early (pre-SBS) stuff well - and well beyond... He was the one guy in Heavy Metal at the time except a few chosen ones (say, Brock or Bloom...) who didn't sound as if he'd taken fucking singing-lessons at Madame fucking Bachmeyerbeethoven's or somebody and had his balls ripped off in some kind of horrible zipper or bear-trap accident afterwards. Draw a straight line from Ozzy to Rotten to Hell. Shit, I'm fucked up.....%)~~ 'scuze me christian From mumford at EUNET.NO Sat Aug 24 22:15:41 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 04:15:41 +0200 Subject: New Topic Message-ID: Keith A Henderson wrote: > > Hey Folks... > > I know it's been a bit thin, with apparently a lot of people taking time off > from work and school, but the list seems to be in a rut at the moment. We need > something new and preferably controversial to start getting interested in. > > How 'bout 'fonts' then...for lack of a better word. They must've used more > different styles than any other band. Only a few 'classics' have continued to > appear over the years, including the 'Gothic' HotMG/Warrior style, the tilted > Doremi style, and the angular 'Sonic Attack' lettering....a couple others I > suppose. > > If I were to vote, I suppose I'd choose the Warrior image as my favourite > Hawkwind icon (and my favourite album cover of all time), and the Sonic Attack > lettering. Wow, you just picked like the IMHDrunkenO opinion the most cliche'd pair of Spinal Tappy sleez-logos.... I'd say the classic one is the 'ol double headed hawk pioneered on HotMG onward thru IitBotFtbD etc and beyond (infinite variations here).......if not the nazi/commie-like iconic ASAM one for saying "klunk" when ya look at it........ifyaknowhwatimean. christian From mumford at EUNET.NO Sat Aug 24 22:32:18 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 04:32:18 +0200 Subject: etc. Message-ID: Baron Bloom wrote: > > I think Cleopatra is lacking in originality when they design Hawkwinds > cd's, by using standard fonts, etc.! Ya, I totally agree - never liked their cheapo design-department... HW or otherwise....! :) It all looks the same. IMHO Cleopatra's design-people have a pretty tacky "obviously-computer-generated-and-little-regard-to-band-identity-cuz-those-suckers'll-pick-'em-up-anyway-cuz-they're-kollektors-andweknowit" thing goin' attitude or sumethin'.... They all look like they came from some guy's Macintosh & Photoshop monstermachine his stack of Gustav Dore biblical fetish-kollection and sleezy gothicky-font-plugin thang if ya ask me... Sorry if I'm negative, but I find their Motorhead "Iron Fist & The Hordes from Hell" and Nik Turner "Prophets of Time" gruesomly garish and painful too look at....... and they're the only Cleopatra-records I own...! But... where would we ( & space-rock) be without 'em? christian From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sat Aug 24 23:57:48 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:57:48 +1000 Subject: sabbath/moorcock? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Stier, Christopher wrote: > >nah-its ian giilan for me.then dio,and i hate ozzy,but not sab-ozzy. rj > > Alright! I thought I was the only one who liked the Born Again album! > > Chris > I like BA too, but for me it's T Martin, with CP being the best BS LP in years. At least he can sing. Troy From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Sun Aug 25 00:07:01 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 14:07:01 +1000 Subject: No BOC dates?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, jean l delacour wrote: > Has anyone wondered why this is the last weekend that BOC have any shows > scheduled. The play Massillion, OH tonight and De Kalb, ILL on Sat, but > I believe that this is the 1st time in a long time that BOC have nothing > scheduled to play. > > 1) Are they going into the studio finally? According to our patron saint, Bolle, they are indeed going into the studio. He is adamant about this. (not Adam Ant, adamant) > > 2) Or is E. BLoom "resting" his voice? Good thing anybody sounds great in the studio. > > 3) Does anybody have any info on why no shows have been booked? No, I just listen to ETL over and over for my gigs. (griping poor ol' Aussies again :) !) > > God bless... You too, > > Manuel & Troy > From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sun Aug 25 02:21:38 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 01:21:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Cleopatra cover art (was: etc.) In-Reply-To: <321FBB32.7D37@eunet.no> Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Christian Mumford wrote: > Sorry if I'm negative, but I find their Motorhead "Iron Fist & > The Hordes from Hell" and Nik Turner "Prophets of Time" gruesomly garish > and painful too look at....... and they're the only Cleopatra-records I > own...! But... where would we ( & space-rock) be without 'em? The funny thing about "Prophets of Time" is that I have a friend who has a t-shirt with the *exact* picture... (y'know, the skeletons everywhere and that angel guy standing over them). As it turns out, he bought the shirt at a Christian book store. The picture is actually an artist's rendition of a passage in Ezekiel where the skeletons come to life and grow their flesh back. Kinda cool, actually. Hence the inspiration for the non-Hawkwind song "Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones." Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sun Aug 25 07:50:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 06:50:00 -0500 Subject: HW- Davey Message-ID: Jut got ot hear half of the Alan Davey solo Cd yeterday (thanks Chris Raymond). The vocal tracks with Ron Tree are all really good and heavy also. I felt that most of the synth track we heard were ok, but nothing that great... The tunes that were real songs with bass, drums, guitar, etc were all great. Sound like Alan has picked up quite a bit of Dave Brock in his guitar style.. Some of his lead work is more fiery though... I hope the rumor does not turn out to be true, but I would not be all that suprised.. I remember when Carl said that he spoke to Alan and he didn't want to put his record out on EBS. Now it is out on EBS and maybe he is realizing that all the money will go into someone elses pocket perhaps...... I seem to think that EBS was formed by Brock, Davey, Chadwick, and ... Smith.?? Maybe not.. Maybe just Smith and Brock.......leave 'em to rot.... Did'nt Ron Tree play bass in DS2000??? SCott ObCD- Spiral Realms- Solar WInds (good at 6:30 am!) From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sun Aug 25 10:29:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 09:29:00 -0500 Subject: Stop Davey HW Rumor Message-ID: Hello, I have just been told by Chris Bruce that is not true! Alan and the band are on great terms. The rumor started because Alan wa not able to play at the french festival and Jerry filled in for him. Davey is ot out of the band.. bad rumor......... Would be interesting to hear what HW sounds like with out Allan at that french show! Sorry for the typos... Scott ObCs- Darxtar- Elslandet Autumn 1994 From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Sun Aug 25 08:55:09 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 23:55:09 +1100 Subject: Stop Davey HW Rumor Message-ID: On at , Bad Message wrote: > I have just been told by Chris Bruce that is not true! Alan and > the band are on great terms. The rumor started because Alan wa not > able to play at the french festival and Jerry filled in for him. Davey > is ot out of the band.. bad rumor......... Phew! (I think everyone would agree with that sentiment!) > ObCs- Darxtar- Elslandet Autumn 1994 Tell us more? Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sun Aug 25 10:27:44 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 10:27:44 -0400 Subject: HW New Topic Message-ID: (lots o' snippage) >> If I were to vote, I suppose I'd choose the Warrior image as my favourite >> Hawkwind icon (and my favourite album cover of all time), and the Sonic Attack >> lettering. > >Wow, you just picked like the IMHDrunkenO opinion the most cliche'd pair >of Spinal Tappy sleez-logos.... I'd say the classic one is the 'ol >double headed hawk pioneered on HotMG onward thru IitBotFtbD etc and >beyond (infinite variations here).......if not the nazi/commie-like >iconic ASAM one for saying "klunk" when ya look at >it........ifyaknowhwatimean. > >christian > > I would, without a doubt, consider The Dream of Isis cover on Space Ritual to be there best. I have even considerd having that cover put on a t-shirt or having it embroidered on the back of a jean jacket. Some of my friends, who do not particularly care for HW, have even admitted that HW has the absolute best artwork on their covers that they have ever seen. Duane From cando at INDIRECT.COM Sun Aug 25 11:59:00 1996 From: cando at INDIRECT.COM (James Coburn) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 08:59:00 -0700 Subject: ALL: PLEASE USE SUBJECT HEADERS! Message-ID: Right on! Motion seconded. Thanks, Deb. James Coburn / Albuquerque From skarsol at EROLS.COM Sun Aug 25 12:57:47 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 16:57:47 +0000 Subject: etc. Message-ID: Christian Mumford wrote: > > Baron Bloom wrote: > > > > > I think Cleopatra is lacking in originality when they design Hawkwinds > > cd's, by using standard fonts, etc.! > > Ya, I totally agree - never liked their cheapo design-department... HW > or otherwise....! :) It all looks the same. IMHO Cleopatra's > design-people have a pretty tacky > "obviously-computer-generated-and-little-regard-to-band-identity-cuz-those-suckers'll-pick-'em-up-anyway-cuz-they're-kollektors-andweknowit" > thing goin' attitude or sumethin'.... They all look like they came from > some guy's Macintosh & Photoshop monstermachine his stack of Gustav Dore > biblical fetish-kollection and sleezy gothicky-font-plugin thang if ya > ask me... Sorry if I'm negative, but I find their Motorhead "Iron Fist & > The Hordes from Hell" and Nik Turner "Prophets of Time" gruesomly garish > and painful too look at....... and they're the only Cleopatra-records I > own...! But... where would we ( & space-rock) be without 'em? > > christian YOU SHOULD HAVE A LOOK AT the new chrome box set. nice! rj From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 26 00:10:39 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 00:10:39 BST Subject: OFF: Re: Pyramids In-Reply-To: Gordon Hundley's message of Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:07:00 BST-1 Message-ID: WARNING ** this has no HW or BOC refernce at all - unless you count NT playing flute in the Great Pyramid as something remotely relevant to this. I really wish I'd heard that for real ** Gordon Hundley writes: > Yes, the basic insight that Bauval made while looking at Orion's belt was > that it was the same as the ground plan of the three pyramids at Giza. > Since then, he's done a lot of research and involved people from several > disciplines in order to show that not only is this the case, but that the > other major pyramids (4th through 6th dynasties) are also laid out as > other stars in the sky, and that the Nile valley fits as the Milky Way. Yep - while I agree absolutely with everything GinGoblin wrote on this - the TV prog I saw had enough visual overlay evidence to make the suggestion of at least the three pyramids a fairly compelling one. However I remember being less convinced by the other pyramids (there were significant gaps as I recall and, as always in these cases, sufficient stars in the sky to assign any pyramid to something, whether obvious or not). > That's strange enough, but the degree of accuracy, and the knowledge of > advanced astronomy, physics and mathematics that it suggests completely > goes against all previously accepted views of ancient civilisations. However I must protest this! I don't think anyone, particularly not any scholars of 'ancient civilisations' ever, ever, underestimates the intellectual capability of the scholars of that civilisation or culture. There is absolutely no question that folk of 7,000 years ago were perfectly capable of the sort of empirical observation that leads to theories about the physical world, the space around it and the capacity to engineer constructions that might reflect it. It is fully accepted that the only things 'ancient civilisations' may have lacked are 20thC resources but they had plenty of their own and so ancient civilisations are only that - ancient. Not dumb. > > That's before we even go into stuff like the Chinese pyramids in Xian > province, no problem here - if you are creating a tall stone structure that is to hold a building on its top and you don't want it to fall down then a pyramid is the inevitable shape it'll take! > If you're facinated by this sort of thing, then Amateur Astronomy and > Earth Sciences (AA&ES) is well worth subscribing to. The sci.archeology > newsgroup has occasional gems and breaking news, but, as ever with > UseNet, the signal:noise ratio is bad. > The trouble is that a lot of wild speculation gets put forward as absolute statements of truth without the theories ever being tested or satisfactorily proved. Sadly this happens a lot in archaeology and any scholar in this discipline who puts forward a theory must expect it to be argued against and doubted for a very, very long time until sufficient proofs are amassed for general acceptance. And sometimes this never happens. But there are still an awful lot of folk who publish their speculation as the *only* correct theory despite argument to the contrary which makes fringe or speculative archaeology very deep water to trawl around in. jill (still waiting to hear the definitive explanation about crop circles) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Aug 26 04:33:48 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 09:33:48 +0100 Subject: HW : Davey Rumor Stopped : Hooray! In-Reply-To: <01I8OS99NDDY3FPWHH@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> Message-ID: In message <01I8OS99NDDY3FPWHH at MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU>, "Scott Heller (617) 724-7762" writes > Hello, > > I have just been told by Chris Bruce that is not true! Alan and > the band are on great terms. The rumor started because Alan was not > able to play at the french festival and Jerry filled in for him. Davey > is not out of the band.. bad rumor......... Thanks for squashing that one, Scott, I've cheered up considerably! You can understand why I posted the rumour though, I hope. For a start, this guy's not been wrong before on Hawk-news! I'm glad he was, though. Alan would be *very* hard to replace now. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Aug 26 05:02:21 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:02:21 +0100 Subject: OFF: Covers gone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Allan T Grohe Jr writes >Can't do anything about the former (and you have my condolences), but I'm >sure we can get you another set of Covers. > >Allan. > After a check it seems only two were in the car. But they were in the wrong boxes, do'h! Oh Helevetin! ('scuse my language!) -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Aug 26 04:59:37 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 09:59:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Re: Crop Circles at gig In-Reply-To: <9608260010.aa28996@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9608260010.aa28996 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >jill (still waiting to hear the definitive explanation about crop >circles) > >=========================================================================== >J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > No explanation, Jill, but the first crop circles I ever saw were at the Westbury festival/rout of the Convoy/Hawkwind show in '85. It was the morning after and in the field at the bottom of the hill, there were these two circles. They weren't enormous, but it was weird, after all, there was about 1,000 people on the hilltop and no-one had seen anything. (Except Hawkwind!) There was a dozen or so people sitting on the hillside looking at them when I walked past. "How do you think they got there?" someone asked me. I sat down for 10 minutes or so, thought about it, couldn't come up with an idea, wandered off. It made very little impact on me, to be honest. It wasn't until the media announced a couple of years later, that *they* didn't have a clue either, that I started paying a bit more attention. I also got wee'd on by a Skinhead at the same gig BTW, which wasn't quite so cosmic ;) -- Jon Browne From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Aug 26 08:59:42 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 07:59:42 EST Subject: NEW DIO CD Message-ID: > Hi folks, > > Recently got this msg from the Black Sabbath list; Dio's new CD, called > "Angry Machine" will be out on Sept 28th. It will be along the same lines > as "Strange Highways" and also includes the same line-up of Dio, Tracy G > on guitar, Jeff Pilson on bass, and Vinne Appice (a-pee-chee?) or (ap-y- > cee?) on drums. > I've always been told it was (Ap-Piss-See) at least that's how they pronounced Carmines (his older brother) name on the Vanilla Fudge live album... > Since we're on the subject of BS/Dio, thought I'd pass along this info. > > God bless... > > Manuel & Jean > > > P.S. Ted O. Jackson; WHERE'S MY WORCESTER' 82 TAPE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? > > Jean Delacour > University of New Mexico > Parish Library > Alb, NM 87131-1496 > delacour at unm.edu Manuel, I finally found that sucker! I'll have it off to ya this week, I swear. theo From BLAUCHNO at DEQ.STATE.UT.US Mon Aug 26 10:44:38 1996 From: BLAUCHNO at DEQ.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 08:44:38 -0600 Subject: OFF: sabbath/moorcock? -Reply Message-ID: >>> Stephen Swann 08/22/96 06:35pm >>> But this post pretty much agrees in total with my perception Dio's career: _Heaven and Hell_ and Rainbow's _Rising_ are definitely the high points. I've been looking for the remastered _Heaven and Hell_, but the damn things sells out as fast the local record stores can stock it. _Rising_... well, I just keep praying. :-) I have rising on disk. I think I got it at a used CD store. That anyone would buy this on CD then trade it... blasphemy. Also, a friend of mine keeps insisting that I should listen to _Long Live Rock 'n Roll_. The title appalls me, but this particular friend has almost never been wrong on the subject of music.... Well if you like _Rising_ get _Long Live Rock and Roll_ and get Ritchie Blackmoors _Rainbow_ . These are the Rainbow big 3 IMHO. Brad L. blauchno at deq.state.ut.us From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Aug 26 10:55:07 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:55:07 -0400 Subject: No BOC dates?! Message-ID: Hey Manuel. Eric posted in the BOC folder that they were going to take a month off and get some work done on the new album. They're supposed to be back on the road in October. R. From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Aug 26 16:57:00 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon Hundley) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:57:00 BST-1 Subject: OFF: Re: Pyramids Message-ID: WARNING ** this has no HW or BOC reference at all - except that HW would be writing songs about Atlantean civilistaions building pyramids if they weren't already writing songs about aliens ** :) Jill writes: > However I remember being less convinced by the other pyramids (there were > significant gaps as I recall and, as always in these cases, sufficient > stars in the sky to assign any pyramid to something, whether obvious or > not). Yes, sure, but that's not the case here. These megalithic monuments tie up very closely indeed with the positions of several very bright celestial objects, particularly if you take into account the precession of the equinoxes and reference a date of 10240BC. Bauval isn't fool enough to take on the wrath of every egyptologist by suggesting that the pyramids are of that age (though other scholars have) but instead says that the ground plan must have been fixed at that time. Incedentally, our dating of the pyramids and sphinx to 2686-2181BC is based entirely on later texts that ascribe these pryamids to the pharoahs of that time, and numerous 'holes' have been filled in for convenience and consistancy. This is depite other texts of similar age and later that suggest that they are older than the pharoahs that claimed them. > > That's strange enough, but the degree of accuracy, and the knowledge of > > advanced astronomy, physics and mathematics that it suggests completely > > goes against all previously accepted views of ancient civilisations. > > However I must protest this! I don't think anyone, particularly > not any scholars of 'ancient civilisations' ever, ever, underestimates > the intellectual capability of the scholars of that civilisation or > culture. Oh, I think you're wrong. There are plenty of people still desperately clinging onto older 'evidence' that the age of man is some 6000 years, and that the alignment of the pyramids is happen-chance because ancient man did not possess accurate enough timekeeping to correctly make longitudinal calculations. > There is absolutely no question that folk of 7,000 years ago were > perfectly capable of the sort of empirical observation that leads to > theories about the physical world, the space around it and the capacity > to engineer constructions that might reflect it. It is fully accepted > that the only things 'ancient civilisations' may have lacked are 20thC > resources but they had plenty of their own and so ancient civilisations > are only that - ancient. Not dumb. However, it seems that the folk of 7000 (?) years ago possessed exceedingly high knowledge. Indeed, the earliest scholarly texts that we have (primarily Greek) support this view. Much of this knowledge seems to have been lost, leaving a few tantalising clues that it once existed. Some of the knowledge, such as the timekeeping require to make maps as accurate as some very early ones based on source maps from Constantinople has not been rediscovered until very recently indeed. > no problem here - if you are creating a tall stone structure that is to > hold a building on its top and you don't want it to fall down then a > pyramid is the inevitable shape it'll take! Yes, but why would you build such a huge burial mound and pack it full of pointers to a high knowledge that you are unable to keep from being lost otherwise? It seems to me that we're supposed to 'wonder' at these megaliths, and we're supposed to learn from them. In our modern arrogance, we assume that our scientific knowledge outshines the ancient world. However, it is only recently that we've acquired the knowledge that has allowed these modern interpretations to be correlated. It seems likely to me that these structures - the sphinx in particular, are time capsules of high knowledge, lost after some political or religious upheaval. > The trouble is that a lot of wild speculation gets put forward as > absolute statements of truth without the theories ever being tested or > satisfactorily proved. Sadly this happens a lot in archaeology and any > scholar in this discipline who puts forward a theory must expect it to > be argued against and doubted for a very, very long time until > sufficient proofs are amassed for general acceptance. And sometimes > this never happens. But there are still an awful lot of folk who > publish their speculation as the *only* correct theory despite > argument to the contrary which makes fringe or speculative archaeology > very deep water to trawl around in. Let the wild speculation continue - it generates more potential ideas which can susequently be rejected or worked on by those in possession of the skills to interpret the sources. It is, after all, likely that any high knowledge that has been lost is based on a quite different perspective of life than our modern scientific knowledge. It seems reasonnably safe to assume that ancient man may therefore have been more advanced than current knowledge about some things, but ignorant of other things that our classical sciences have not been so good at explaining. > jill (still waiting to hear the definitive explanation about crop > circles) I'm sorry, I can't provide you with that - I doubt anybody can. However, I'd venture to support Arthur C. Clarkes view that there is indeed some unknown natural effect that forms these circles under very rare circumstances, but that the bulk of recent circles are no more than man-made 'hoaxes'. And very pretty hoaxes too. Gordon. From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Aug 26 19:07:11 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 19:07:11 BST Subject: OFF: Re: Pyramids In-Reply-To: Gordon Hundley's message of Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:57:00 BST-1 Message-ID: Gordon Hundley writes: > WARNING ** this has no HW or BOC reference at all - except that HW would > be writing songs about Atlantean civilistaions building pyramids if they > weren't already writing songs about aliens ** :) > Actually it's a pity we can't involve Ron Tree in this! Listening to his TV interview on that recent programme I think he'd have a considerable input of opinion to offer us...... > Yes, sure, but that's not the case here. These megalithic monuments tie > up very closely indeed with the positions of several very bright > celestial objects, particularly if you take into account the precession yes - but the sheer number of "bright celestial objects" in the night sky and the huge time-scale he is operating with leaves me still uncertain on this. > Oh, I think you're wrong. There are plenty of people still desperately > clinging onto older 'evidence' that the age of man is some 6000 years, > and that the alignment of the pyramids is happen-chance because ancient > man did not possess accurate enough timekeeping to correctly make > longitudinal calculations. Do you need timekeeping? Wouldn't ground measurement and local observation be sufficient? Yeah I guess we differ here - I'll stick with the Occam's Razor type belief that there's no need for a higher knowledge if something can be constructed by normal everyday folk with normal everyday intelligence. And if we don't know *why* the stuff was built then it's no more strange than folk 7000 years from now wondering why there are so many different types of churches or what the strange pyramid shape at Glastonbury with all its flashing lights was for 8-) > Some of the knowledge, such as the timekeeping require to make maps as > accurate as some very early ones based on source maps from Constantinople > has not been rediscovered until very recently indeed. > Interesting - which maps are these? > Let the wild speculation continue - it generates more potential ideas agreed! No argument here. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mjf at GRAHAM.COM Mon Aug 26 14:56:31 1996 From: mjf at GRAHAM.COM (Mike Fuller) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 11:56:31 -0700 Subject: OFF: Re: Pyramids In-Reply-To: Message-ID: WARNING ** this has no HW or BOC reference at all - except that HW would be writing songs about Atlantean civilistaions building pyramids if they weren't already writing songs about aliens ** :) >>>>> On Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:57:00 BST-1, Gordon Hundley >>>>> said: Gordon> Yes, sure, but that's not the case here. These megalithic Gordon> monuments tie up very closely indeed with the positions of Gordon> several very bright celestial objects, particularly if you take Gordon> into account the precession of the equinoxes and reference a Gordon> date of 10240BC. Bauval isn't fool enough to take on the wrath Gordon> of every egyptologist by suggesting that the pyramids are of Gordon> that age (though other scholars have) but instead says that the Gordon> ground plan must have been fixed at that time. Incedentally, our Gordon> dating of the pyramids and sphinx to 2686-2181BC is based Gordon> entirely on later texts that ascribe these pryamids to the Gordon> pharoahs of that time, and numerous 'holes' have been filled in Gordon> for convenience and consistancy. This is depite other texts of Gordon> similar age and later that suggest that they are older than the Gordon> pharoahs that claimed them. I saw something on The Learning Channel last month about the Sphinx. Apparently much of the erosion on the Sphinx's body is water erosion, not sand erosion, and the last time it rained regularly there was around 10,000 BC, at the end of the last ice age. They theorized that the Sphinx was originally just a lion carved out of a solid rock by the ancient people there, and that the Egyptians modified the head at a later date to fit their mythology. -- Mike From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Aug 26 16:09:36 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 16:09:36 -0400 Subject: OFF: Re: Pyramids In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Aug 1996, Gordon Hundley wrote: > WARNING ** this has no HW or BOC reference at all - except that HW would > be writing songs about Atlantean civilistaions building pyramids if they > weren't already writing songs about aliens ** :) > > Jill writes: > > > However I remember being less convinced by the other pyramids (there > were > > significant gaps as I recall and, as always in these cases, sufficient > > stars in the sky to assign any pyramid to something, whether obvious or > > not). > > Yes, sure, but that's not the case here. These megalithic monuments tie > up very closely indeed with the positions of several very bright > celestial objects, particularly if you take into account the precession > of the equinoxes and reference a date of 10240BC. So, are you saying that these pyramids "tie up very closely indeed" with various stars iff you assume they were constructed (or planned) in 10240BC? In other words, if, say, they were constructed in 3000BC, they might not actually tie up "very closely indeed" at all because the stars might not be in the right positions? What led to the date of 10240BC being chosen? I wonder how many stars/date combinations there are to pick from? Does it depend upon how "very close" you want the alignment to be? > Bauval isn't fool > enough to take on the wrath of every egyptologist by suggesting that the > pyramids are of that age (though other scholars have) but instead says > that the ground plan must have been fixed at that time. Is that "must have been fixed at that time" in order for the entire theory to work out nicely? Or is there some other factor underpinning the qualifier "must?" > However, it seems that the folk of 7000 (?) years ago possessed > exceedingly high knowledge. It is quite a shame that this "exceedingly high knowledge" did not run to include written language. Such a lot of this mystery and head-scratching would have been avoided, and we would not have to "learn today what they knew Way Back Then," with all the attendant wasted effort. > Let the wild speculation continue - it generates more potential ideas It certainly generates something... :-) Cheers, Paul. obSong: Frank Zappa, "Inca Roads" PS: Everyone knows that J.R. "Bob" Dobbs handled the contract to build the pyramids (and cleared quite a tidy profit, I might add). I have irrefutable PROOF! ;-) e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK Mon Aug 26 16:58:26 1996 From: gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK (gingoblin at EASYNET.CO.UK) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 21:58:26 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: Pyramids Message-ID: >WARNING ** this has no HW or BOC reference at all - except that HW would >be writing songs about Atlantean civilistaions building pyramids if they >weren't already writing songs about aliens ** :) 10500 BC seems to be a date that keeps cropping up in relation to all this. One of the theories is that the pyramids were *planned* then, which is why many allignments match up to the stars position *then* and not when they were built. It all makes a pretty convincing argument I think. I mean, there seems to be so many "coincidences" that to me at least, it seems unlikely that they are merely coincidences. Some of the TV programmes do seem to be a bit guilty of ignoring conflicting evidence though, just as the established Egyptologists often seem to do. I really recommend that anyone interested in all this check out sci.archaelogy...there's a *lot* of petty bickering, but some interesting points to be found too. Unfortunately, it seems like every "fact" has it totally opposing "fact", and it gets a bit frustrating after a while. What facts do I believe?! The ones I like best?! The last I heard, the "door" in the pyramid is being opened later this year, although even that doesn't seem to be certain. There appears to be a lot of secrecy surrounding it, the same goes for the chamber under the Sphinx (which, by the way, I have been told definitely *does* exist (and the specific study was quoted) and also definitely *doesn't* exist (again a study was quoted!)). Maybe I should go and check it out for myself (you know you're only dreaming!). As a good starter to all this kinda "ancient civilisation being far more advanced than we give 'em credit for" sorta stuff, I'd recommend "From Atlantis To The Sphinx" by Colin Wilson. It's good for an overview of the whole thing, then you can track down the books covering the specifics. I hope this ain't boring all you people to death, but since there seems to be some interest in all this, I thought I'd add to it! If you're not interested...erm, why are you reading this?!! Delete godamnit, delete! > >I saw something on The Learning Channel last month about the Sphinx. >Apparently much of the erosion on the Sphinx's body is water erosion, >not sand erosion, and the last time it rained regularly there was around >10,000 BC, at the end of the last ice age. They theorized that the >Sphinx was originally just a lion carved out of a solid rock by the >ancient people there, and that the Egyptians modified the head at a >later date to fit their mythology. > >-- > Mike > > From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Aug 26 19:08:39 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:08:39 -0600 Subject: NEW DIO CD In-Reply-To: <14DCE9F1EFC@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: Theo; So where was it (the Worcester tape). Just curious.... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Aug 26 19:18:07 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:18:07 -0600 Subject: No BOC dates?! In-Reply-To: <960826105506_394165006@emout18.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Aug 1996 Rocker22 at AOL.COM wrote: > Hey Manuel. > > Eric posted in the BOC folder that they were going to take a month off and > get some work done on the new album. They're supposed to be back on the road > in October. > > R. > R22; Thanks for that info. So then, it is REALLY TRUE: BOC WILL BE IN THE STUDIO IN SEPT!!!!!! COOOOOOOOOOLLLLLL...... Hope to see you at a few shows this year. Ride On.... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Aug 26 19:32:58 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 17:32:58 -0600 Subject: Correction on Dio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Latest news on The new Dio CD is that it will be out in Europe on the SPV label on Sept 26th and then in the US on Oct 14th. Isn't SPV the label BOC signed on to, or is it SVP ?? God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Aug 27 01:49:00 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon Hundley) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:49:00 BST-1 Subject: OFF: Re: Pyramids Message-ID: Gingoblin said: > It all makes a pretty convincing argument I think. I mean, there seems to be > so many "coincidences" that to me at least, it seems unlikely that they are > merely coincidences. Agreed. However, I've only really discussed this with one other person who hsa read all the various books, and he's also knowledgable in astronomy, but not so knowledgable in Egyptology. I'd like to speak to others who've got other knowledge, particularly people with good Egyptology background but opposing views, but sci.archaeology hardly makes for a productive forum. > Some of the TV programmes do seem to be a bit guilty of ignoring > conflicting evidence though, just as the established Egyptologists often > seem to do. I really recommend that anyone interested in all this check out > sci.archaelogy...there's a *lot* of petty bickering, but some interesting > points to be found too. Unfortunately, it seems like every "fact" has it > totally opposing "fact", and it gets a bit frustrating after a while. What > facts do I believe?! The ones I like best?! This is why you have to do so much reading of texts and personal research to make any sense of it all at the moment. I'm hoping that I can get a ticket to go to the AMORC symposium in October so that I can quiz Bauval and Hancock, and get some name of opposed theorists that I can also contact. > The last I heard, the "door" in the pyramid is being opened later this > year, although even that doesn't seem to be certain. There appears to be a > lot of secrecy surrounding it, the same goes for the chamber under the > Sphinx (which, by the way, I have been told definitely *does* exist (and the > specific study was quoted) and also definitely *doesn't* exist (again a > study was quoted!)). Maybe I should go and check it out for myself (you know > you're only dreaming!). The Egyptian government has refused to allow the door to be opened. However, in October, a robot will put a miniture camera under the gap in the door (being iron, it has rusted some) , hence the 'uncertainty' of some reports. Also, while there have been two chambers detected under the Sphinx, only one is going to be examined at all, and not entirely excavated. > As a good starter to all this kinda "ancient civilisation being far more > advanced than we give 'em credit for" sorta stuff, I'd recommend "From > Atlantis To The Sphinx" by Colin Wilson. It's good for an overview of the > whole thing, then you can track down the books covering the specifics. Yes, I'm reading that at present, though I started with 'The Orion Mystery' and then proceeded to 'Fingerprints of the Gods' before embarking on a trail of background research of Budge and Faulkner translations. :) > I hope this ain't boring all you people to death, but since there seems to > be some interest in all this, I thought I'd add to it! If you're not > interested...erm, why are you reading this?!! Delete godamnit, delete! Not I. :) Gordon. From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Aug 27 01:49:00 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon Hundley) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:49:00 BST-1 Subject: OFF: Re: Pyramids Message-ID: Paul Mather said: > So, are you saying that these pyramids "tie up very closely indeed" with > various stars iff you assume they were constructed (or planned) in > 10240BC? In other words, if, say, they were constructed in 3000BC, they > might not actually tie up "very closely indeed" at all because the stars > might not be in the right positions? What led to the date of 10240BC > being chosen? At around 10500BC, Orion was at the nadir of its precessional cycle. The Egyptians called this time Zep Tepi, the first time. Leo would have have risen due east on the horizon, the direction in which the Sphinx faces. Turning to face due south, you would see Orion, with its stars as the pyramids of Giza are laid out. It is as if the pyramid builders are signalling when Sphinx and pyramids were constructed - with the southern shaft pointing to Orion's belt. If the pyramids were built 8000 years after the Sphinx, or at least accredited to that age, this would be the time that Osiris (Orion) reached the land of Sokar in the sky, the vernal point between the Milky Way and Taurus. > I wonder how many stars/date combinations there are to pick from? Does > it depend upon how "very close" you want the alignment to be? No, it doesn't seem that any great leaps of faith are being taken. I have to admit that I'm probably not the best person to convince anybody, since I'm still making my way through a first reading of many of the background texts, and my knowledge of Egyptology is poor. There is plenty of supporting evidence in many of the heiroglyphic texts that have been discovered, and it lends some real structure as to why some of the events portrayed in the Osirian mythos. > Is that "must have been fixed at that time" in order for the entire > theory to work out nicely? Or is there some other factor underpinning > the qualifier "must?" No, must have been fixed in time for this to be a correct interpretation of a very large number of corresponding clues that have only been very poorly interpreted before. > It is quite a shame that this "exceedingly high knowledge" did not run to > include written language. Such a lot of this mystery and head-scratching > would have been avoided, and we would not have to "learn today what they > knew Way Back Then," with all the attendant wasted effort. It did, however, language survives only in context of that which translates over many ages. Also many ideas that are contradictory to other beliefs are destroyed so that 'order' may be maintained. Much of the knowledge of that area was destroyed in numerous crusades, and before in acts like the burning of Alexandria (the seat of high knowledge in Egypt). I can only argue the case poorly, I'm afraid. If you want to know more, I really recommend getting hold of as much of the source material as you can. It's going to take me quite a few readings through everything, a lot of background research plus learning to read and interpret heiroglyphs before I am entirely convinced. There are an awful lot of unusual correspondances that only seem to make sense if many of Bauval's theories are applied though. Gordon. From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Aug 27 01:49:00 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon Hundley) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:49:00 BST-1 Subject: OFF: Re: Pyramids Message-ID: Mike Fuller wrote: > I saw something on The Learning Channel last month about the Sphinx. > Apparently much of the erosion on the Sphinx's body is water erosion, > not sand erosion, and the last time it rained regularly there was around > 10,000 BC, at the end of the last ice age. They theorized that the > Sphinx was originally just a lion carved out of a solid rock by the > ancient people there, and that the Egyptians modified the head at a > later date to fit their mythology. It was John Anthony West who first hypothesised the water weathering in 1978. It took a long time for him to find an open-minded geologist who would examine the Sphinx, but in 1985, he managed to convince Robert Schoch of Boston University to travel to Giza with him to do so. Schoch agreed with his hypothesis and brough in a geophysicist and some seismographic equipment. The subsequent papers, inclusions in other books and TV and radio programmes are part of the result. Gordon. From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Aug 27 01:49:00 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon Hundley) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:49:00 BST-1 Subject: OFF: Re: Pyramids Message-ID: Jill Strobridge replied: > Actually it's a pity we can't involve Ron Tree in this! Listening to > his TV interview on that recent programme I think he'd have a > considerable input of opinion to offer us...... I'm afraid I haven't seen the interview. Thinking back to Ron Bastard down at the Royal Park pub in Leeds though, I think that this might be the case. :) > yes - but the sheer number of "bright celestial objects" in the night > sky and the huge time-scale he is operating with leaves me still > uncertain on this. Sure, if you were to try and use astronomical evidence alone, you'd find that the conditions would be the same at 36500BC (due to precession). This would clearly be even more unacceptable to conventional wisdom. However, the real point is that it isn't just astronomical evidence that has been presented, but also reasonable interpretations of a number of otherwise puzzling heiroglyphic texts. > Do you need timekeeping? Wouldn't ground measurement and local > observation be sufficient? Over the distances involved, probably not, through they would of course need significantly advanced astronomical knowledge capable of understanding precession, and highly advanced mathematics. It goes without saying that their engineering was also unbeleivably advanced. We still have very little idea how pyramids were made and all modern attempts at building using such large stones have failed. > Yeah I guess we differ here - I'll stick with the Occam's Razor type > belief that there's no need for a higher knowledge if something can be > constructed by normal everyday folk with normal everyday intelligence. > And if we don't know *why* the stuff was built then it's no more > strange than folk 7000 years from now wondering why there are so many > different types of churches or what the strange pyramid shape at > Glastonbury with all its flashing lights was for 8-) I'm a very firm beleiver in using the Occam's Razor type of approach. The situation is that the mysteries of the pyramids provide a huge number of unanswered questions. Most of the ideas that pre-date Bauval are unsatisfactory because they require leaps of faith or literal interpretation of select texts. There are better corelations of too many texts and archaeological evidence when these recent theories are applied. Others have even come by similar theories and times without doing the astronomical research. In many ways Bauval is just adding weight to already posited theories. > Interesting - which maps are these? >From Hancock's book 'Fingerprints of the Gods'. These are the Piri Reis maps, drawn by an Ottoman explorer in 1513, in which he cites older maps from the library at Constantinople. These were examinded in 1960 by the USAF recon (SAC) who concluded, as Prof. Hopwood, who had submitted them had, that Antartica as shown represented the land mass of Queen Maud's Land *before it was buried under 2 miles of ice*. The most recent this could have been mapped would have been in 6000BC according to our knowledge of the ice cap. Other, similarly aged maps also show similar longitudinal understanding that wasn't rediscovered until John Harrison won the Board of Longitude's ?20,000 prize by delivering a working chronometer in 1761. Gordon. From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Aug 27 02:48:39 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:48:39 -0500 Subject: NT's LP Message-ID: On 23-AUG-1996 04:11:36.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Assassin Sonique wrote: >> On 22 Aug 96 at 0:02, Troy Harris wrote: >> >> > I have just recently bought NT's "past or future" CD, and I have >a query >> > for anyone who is "in the know". Who are in the photos in the inner >> > sleeve? You know, the one's in the "spheres". >> >> I've only got a photocopy of it (thanks Chuck .... it arrived this >> morning!), but from what I can tell ....... Hey, Paul. How about a review?? :) >> >> Sphere 1: Copy not clear enough .... Nik's on the right end of the >> couch though >It's (l-r) House, Powell, Grenas, Turner. >> Sphere 2: Nik in Space suit (same one used for darXtar gig last year) >...don't think I'll argue with that one... :) >> Sphere 3: Nik & ???? >I've no idea either. >> Sphere 4: Hard to tell ... could be Len Del Rio >Nope... Len looks like the Fonz. This guy has plenty of gray hair. >It's probably Nik. Definitely Nik. That is the schnozz that helped give HW their name... >Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the >aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore >dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers Chuck `[1;34;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Aug 27 02:48:53 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:48:53 -0500 Subject: NT's LP Message-ID: On 23-AUG-1996 13:59:12.8 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> >> On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Assassin Sonique wrote: >> > On 22 Aug 96 at 0:02, Troy Harris wrote: >> > >> > > I have just recently bought NT's "past or future" CD, and I >have a que ry >> > > for anyone who is "in the know". Who are in the photos in the >inner > > > sleeve? You know, the one's in the "spheres". >> > >> > I've only got a photocopy of it (thanks Chuck .... it arrived this >> > morning!), but from what I can tell ....... >> > >> > Sphere 1: Copy not clear enough .... Nik's on the right end of the >> > couch though >> It's (l-r) House, Powell, Grenas, Turner. >> >Yeah, but who's the girl?!? >> > Sphere 2: Nik in Space suit (same one used for darXtar gig last >year) > ...don't think I'll argue with that one... :) >> >> > Sphere 3: Nik & ???? >> I've no idea either. >> >> > Sphere 4: Hard to tell ... could be Len Del Rio >> Nope... Len looks like the Fonz. This guy has plenty of gray hair. >It's > probably Nik. >> >I think its Del. Those are some VSC-3's that he's twiddling...Nik isn't >credited for synths (not that that means anything, in regards to a >photo). mmm...I dunno...doesn't seem to have Del's build. Probably Nik fucking off... Chuck >> Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from >the > aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them >anymore > dcapehar at utdallas.edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's >anonymous coworkers > >-- >-m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyramid.com >---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, a Siemens Nixdorf Co. >-----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Rd. Suite 400 >-------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 `[1;37;46mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Tue Aug 27 08:55:28 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 08:55:28 +-100 Subject: Neil Young/Hawkwind LIS Message-ID: So, anyway, what's that pyramid like thing the alien is handing to the pregnant woman on the LIS cover? At first I thought it was a pile of gold coins, but now that I look at it with more light, I'm not sure. -kevin Well, It's difficult to say without first having seen the cover but, from your description I think there is a strong possibility that the object in question is in fact the revered Celestial Toblerone. The all powerful tricorn wand of the gods, bane of humanity aka "the brown staff of fear" begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(AX'`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &`#0!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```%$`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!"3T,O2&%W:W=I;F0@ M1&ES8W5S``(P`0````4```!33510`````!X``S !````%P```$)/0RU,0$Q)4U13 M15)6+E-00RY%1%4```,`%0P!`````P#^#P8````>``$P`0```!\````G0D]# M+TAA=VMW:6YD($1I`)WO_P`*`0\"%0*H!>L"@P!0 M`O()`@!C: K 7=A>:4=H'<1@'0G!"!T'E$`('!YH0N 9QZA7Q^P!T (D .@! `@$8!N^F0?\V\@(AK_' \=%1-0 MV&5G;@!P!4!W`W,"(%D@(TQ)!? %H'8$D#]F(!2P!4!F:1&@!4!)4QZA"&!G M: 5 :23A81T$(&$>\ ,0'[!O9B"Z9P;P9 J%!: +@',=H.1B=05 ;F\'X!ZS M)R Y%:!O:QVP)Z0GP&@@'P1@%A ?<2>!':!))VW+*B$%0',(<&4N"H4*A?HM M'Z!V"X M?!E_&H0<]_!796QL+($>(=H -2('D(8?0!0-I)6$G(@N *Q!_(#$L M`2#1*# 3P -@( %P\F\$$&EB`Q GP#,P'K/-(#)O## O_R!J.E\P^/,=0 at N M('$*4!/ -P(@T7T]@68`T#G4%A F,0F (,Y#,: ]T@= (%0Z,"APOSB1+5! M0"!#`R XX'<$D/YF,J >H 40!:$#H!WP(2"W*)(@,BC09!, at .Z\@*=$S`' H M at VAU`X$Y8F%KU2 at P(B R8 at -@=P.@$\"F80W0*))F90K (B,/%QTD+R45,0!) MX ````,`$! ``````P`1$ ````! ``R3NP% ``@P0(8T6>R3NP$> 5`#T``0````4```!213H@`````),1 ` end From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Aug 27 04:22:28 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 09:22:28 +0100 Subject: HW : Name In-Reply-To: <01I8R4KH3H6A8YASTS@delphi.com> Message-ID: In message <01I8R4KH3H6A8YASTS at delphi.com>, HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes >Definitely Nik. That is the schnozz that helped give HW their name... I find it hard to beieve that Hawkwind got their name from Nik's nose and the fact that he farted a lot. For a start weren't they called Hawkwind before Nik joined? I've always thought it was a referece to the Aeon of Horus, the Hawk- headed God as postulated by Crowley among others. (Ya know, the "Wind Of Change" etc.) I thought Nik's original Sphynx work bore this out to a degree. I was going to ask Dave in the Cyber-Interview but was too busy "holding the centre" at the time! Any thoughts? -- Jon Browne From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Tue Aug 27 06:25:19 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:25:19 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: Pyramids Message-ID: Ladies and Gentlemen Since this disscussion has started I thought you guys might be intrested in the forteana mailing list which is just the place that subjects such as pyramids, UFO's, Hollow earths or any generaly weird shit is welcome. mail to majordome at lists.primenet.com with subscribe forteana (Your name) to join. See you there. Andy C (Be warned theres a bit of a scrap going on at the moment but once its cleared up normal service will be resumed.) -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 27 11:34:34 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:34:34 BST Subject: Ceta Oreanis - new HW In-Reply-To: Gordon Hundley's message of Thu, 22 Aug 1996 02:26:00 BST-1 Message-ID: Gordon Hundley writes: > If the price is reasonable ( <30 squids ), I'd be interested in a new HW > booty... Ordered. It'll be 12 Pounds plus postage. > > Gordon. Cheers Mike From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Aug 27 08:23:44 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 07:23:44 EST Subject: NEW DIO CD Message-ID: > > Theo; > > So where was it (the Worcester tape). > > Just curious.... > > Manuel > Manuel, I thought this was a family show! theo From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 27 15:04:03 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:04:03 BST Subject: HW : Name In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Tue, 27 Aug 1996 09:22:28 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > In message <01I8R4KH3H6A8YASTS at delphi.com>, HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes > >Definitely Nik. That is the schnozz that helped give HW their name... > > I find it hard to beieve that Hawkwind got their name from Nik's nose > and the fact that he farted a lot. For a start weren't they called > Hawkwind before Nik joined? > I think they were called Group X when Nik joined and Hawkwind Zoo subsequently ('cos apparently they all looked like something out of a zoo....) and then the zoo bit got dropped. All the official histories have the naming after Nik Turner and/or Terry Ollis (in appearance) and even, I think, Nik Turner tells this story. The comment afterwards is usually along the lines of "so this is the rather prosaic reasoning behind the Hawkwind name - not very esoteric or exciting is it!" > I've always thought it was a referece to the Aeon of Horus, the Hawk- > headed God as postulated by Crowley among others. (Ya know, the "Wind Of > Change" etc.) I thought Nik's original Sphynx work bore this out to a > degree. I was going to ask Dave in the Cyber-Interview but was too busy > "holding the centre" at the time! > > Any thoughts? Maybe this came later - once they got into the space-rock style? yrs jill (wet blanket) strobridge ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Tue Aug 27 10:34:50 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:34:50 -0400 Subject: OFF: Life on Mars Message-ID: This might be of interest to some of you. One of the Scientists who analyzed the rock from Mars will be on the net today (Wired Arena). check out www.hotwired.com (click on Club Wired for more info). It'll be today at 4 PM PDT. Jerry -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Tue Aug 27 16:51:48 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:51:48 +-100 Subject: HW : Name Message-ID: As far as I understand it, Hawk after his habit of spitting, wind from his habit of farting. Prosaic, but plausible. Mike P ---------- From: J Strobridge[SMTP:eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 1996 04:04 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: HW : Name Jon Browne writes: > In message <01I8R4KH3H6A8YASTS at delphi.com>, HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes > >Definitely Nik. That is the schnozz that helped give HW their name... > > I find it hard to beieve that Hawkwind got their name from Nik's nose > and the fact that he farted a lot. For a start weren't they called > Hawkwind before Nik joined? > I think they were called Group X when Nik joined and Hawkwind Zoo subsequently ('cos apparently they all looked like something out of a zoo....) and then the zoo bit got dropped. All the official histories have the naming after Nik Turner and/or Terry Ollis (in appearance) and even, I think, Nik Turner tells this story. The comment afterwards is usually along the lines of "so this is the rather prosaic reasoning behind the Hawkwind name - not very esoteric or exciting is it!" > I've always thought it was a referece to the Aeon of Horus, the Hawk- > headed God as postulated by Crowley among others. (Ya know, the "Wind Of > Change" etc.) I thought Nik's original Sphynx work bore this out to a > degree. I was going to ask Dave in the Cyber-Interview but was too busy > "holding the centre" at the time! > > Any thoughts? Maybe this came later - once they got into the space-rock style? yrs jill (wet blanket) strobridge ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(C(/`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0` M`@````(``@`!!) &`#0!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/ M`0```%$`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!"3T,O2&%W:W=I;F0@ M1&ES8W5S``(P`0````4```!33510`````!X``S !````%P```$)/0RU,0$Q)4U13 M15)6+E-00RY%1%4```,`%0P!`````P#^#P8````>``$P`0```!\````G0D]# M+TAA=VMW:6YD($1I`!X,`0````4```!33510`````!X`'PP!```` M$@```&UD<$!T861P;VQE+F-O+G5K`````P`&$*C(W3X#``<0H 4``!X`"! ! 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6YX_QZP M!; 5"P( #0M&4M`V!C'- 3P'DB`&V6C7D1H"(\:@,0`R H MWU=@!4 "8 !P(S!T9> 3P/LL=B(\/: ?H2^B/Z-/H[39"H5*+BY +%A 9^$` MT/PN=1S0IJ^G)2U5`9 "0']E@:8F"H6I_ZL/J_Q(D$F at 2E-!0'.0L#"F0/\` M((:@J1T*A2=XL ^Q'[(O?[,`#T``0````4```!213H@ &`````#9E ` end From NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM Tue Aug 27 12:47:05 1996 From: NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM (NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 12:47:05 -0400 Subject: New arrival Message-ID: Just wanted to say hi to everyone. I just subscribed and, although I have nothing to say on the pyramid debate, I just wanted to let you know that I'm out here. Now back to the regularly scheduled UFO talk... Mike. };^)' From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Aug 27 17:51:57 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:51:57 BST Subject: OFF: Re: Pyramids In-Reply-To: Gordon Hundley's message of Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:49:00 BST-1 Message-ID: WARNING * very long but I won't write again on it * Gordon Hundley writes: > Sure, if you were to try and use astronomical evidence alone, you'd find > that the conditions would be the same at 36500BC (due to precession). > This would clearly be even more unacceptable to conventional wisdom. Still, my recollection is that the both the stars and the timescales are being moved around until they fit with a theory. One day I too shall sit down, select a group of monuments, connect them in some way and relate them to a chunk of night sky at some period of remote history and I'm sure I'll end up with some very interesting results! Maybe it could even be done with rock-festival sites across the UK or Hawkwind venues over the last 25 years. Maybe. I'm actually quite happy with the idea of a society reproducing the shape of a fixed constellation on the ground by building appropriately sized pyramids. Nice idea - well noticed. But to extend it by pulling in star positions from thousands of years earlier seems unnecessary in the extreme. > However, the real point is that it isn't just astronomical evidence that > has been presented, but also reasonable interpretations of a number of > otherwise puzzling heiroglyphic texts. I understand that interpreting heiroglyphic texts is prone to uncertainty even today (although I admit the only definite example I know of is that originally "nefer" was thought to be a female name like Judith or Catherine and on the strength of this some lady had been called "Nefer-nefer-nefer" in translation. It was only much later that someone realised it was being used more like an adjective "nefer = this is a female person" so whatever the poor lady's name turned out to be it certainly wasn't that). But with such confusion over just a name I would guess that trying to identify the meaning behind puzzling heiroglyph texts must be a bit like interpreting the prophecies of Nostradamus. One *might* have the correct interpretation but then again.... > understanding precession, and highly advanced mathematics. It goes > without saying that their engineering was also unbeleivably advanced. We > still have very little idea how pyramids were made and all modern > attempts at building using such large stones have failed. Not entirely true - recent attempts at building a small pyramid definitely struggled with a small workforce, a restricted timetable and academic, not to mention, social and cultural conflicts! As I recall the more complex methods failed completely but the simpler the process was made the easier it became to accomplish and significant progress was made on construction. It took a heck of a long time tho'. I think we sometimes fail to appreciate just how much sophisticated work can be achieved by using very simple techniques, practice, a good workforce and some intelligence applied to the problem. After all it's only 150 years ago that the first accurate Ordnance Survey maps were produced using nothing more complicated than a linked metal chain to measure distances right across the whole country. Everything's been resurveyed now using EDM's and other electronic devices but all it's done is to confirm the astonishing accuracy of the originals. > From Hancock's book 'Fingerprints of the Gods'. These are the Piri Reis > maps, drawn by an Ottoman explorer in 1513, in which he cites older maps > from the library at Constantinople. These were examinded in 1960 by the > USAF recon (SAC) who concluded, as Prof. Hopwood, who had submitted them > had, that Antartica as shown represented the land mass of Queen Maud's > Land *before it was buried under 2 miles of ice*. The most recent this > could have been mapped would have been in 6000BC according to our > knowledge of the ice cap. Other, similarly aged maps also show similar I think you'll find that people have been sailing around in boats since at least this date and possibly long before that (although the evidence isn't conclusive yet in terms of settlement sites - but I'm hopeful) Admittedly not many will have made it down to the Antarctic regions and survived but I can't believe that in the whole of maritime history enough folk didn't get blown off course and manage back with tales of lands to the south. They've only recently discovered a bronze age boat (c.2,000BC), of simple construction but larger than anyone ever gave credit for since none other had survived that long. Boats of that period and far earlier were already capable of conveying live animals as well as humans from one country to another. It's also perhaps worth bearing in mind that Magellan's circumnavigation of the world was as early as 1519. I don't know the maps of Peri Reis, but the world according to Schoner in 1523 shows many large chunks of land in the far south (at the bottom of the map, in other words) one of which does resemble in outline a part of Queen Maud land. However the Schoner map is notable for *not* showing Australia anywhere! Do you know if the Peri Reis map does? Has Antarctica been recently mapped without its ice cover? I've certainly never seen this anywhere and would be interested to see it. I honestly don't think human kind needs prompting by any higher authority - I think we are more than capable of doing these strange things all by ourselves! Still, y'never know. I think I'd better abandon this now Enough! cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Aug 27 14:24:16 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:24:16 EST Subject: New arrival Message-ID: > out here. Now back to the regularly scheduled UFO talk... > > Mike. > > };^)' Personally, I stopped listening to them after MS left... From NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM Tue Aug 27 13:36:22 1996 From: NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM (NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:36:22 -0400 Subject: New arrival Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-27 13:35:29 EDT, you write: << Personally, I stopped listening to them after MS left... >> Who's MS? Mike. };^)' From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Aug 27 14:52:32 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:52:32 EST Subject: New arrival Message-ID: > In a message dated 96-08-27 13:35:29 EDT, you write: > > << Personally, I stopped listening to them after MS left... >> > > Who's MS? > > Mike. > > };^)' Michael Schenker! theo From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Aug 27 13:59:43 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:59:43 UT Subject: BOC: Patti Smith/Allen Lanier Message-ID: Interesting item in the _Independent on Sunday_, an interview with John Cale and Patti Smith. Here, Cale is talking about producing _Horses_ (Smith's first album): --- I didn't get on with Allen Lanier (a guitarist on _Horses_), her boyfriend at the time. He was a member of the band the Blue Oyster Cult and came in for the project as this great guitarist. He obviously felt that he was due a certain kind of treatment, and didn't feel that I was granting him the space. It escalated and escalated until it got a little frightening. Confrontation with her was indirect, but with Allen it was sheer testosterone. --- How strange it seems now that a guitarist from the Blue Oyster Cult (a band with sadly little credibility left) might feel superior to John Cale! - Andy From NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM Tue Aug 27 14:04:36 1996 From: NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM (NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:04:36 -0400 Subject: New arrival Message-ID: I guess that shows you how new I am here. :) Mike. };^)' From NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM Tue Aug 27 14:08:54 1996 From: NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM (NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:08:54 -0400 Subject: BOC: Patti Smith/Allen Lanier Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-27 14:05:20 EDT, you write: << How strange it seems now that a guitarist from the Blue Oyster Cult (a band with sadly little credibility left) might feel superior to John Cale! >> Well, being that he is a keyboard player and guitar is a second instrument, I think he has a little more credibility than you may think. Mike. };^)' From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Aug 27 14:16:32 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:16:32 -0400 Subject: was...new arrival...now OFF: UFO In-Reply-To: <16B380440D4@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted Jackson jr. EL 84" at Aug 27, 96 01:24:16 pm Message-ID: > > out here. Now back to the regularly scheduled UFO talk... > > > > Mike. > > Personally, I stopped listening to them after MS left... Which time? The first time, or just this past year, when he left mid-US tour? I was lucky enough to see them before this unfortunate event. Pretty good show...it was just like seeing the 'Strangers in the Night' tour. A bit nostalgic I suppose, but I wasn't old enough to have seen them in the late 70's, so it was like travelling in time. :) I haven't heard the reunion album though (Walk on Water)...I think there's some problem getting it now, as the future of the band is uncertain again (I suppose). Keith H. (FAA) From kfrazier at NCSA.UIUC.EDU Tue Aug 27 14:20:24 1996 From: kfrazier at NCSA.UIUC.EDU (Keith Frazier) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:20:24 -0500 Subject: HW : Name Message-ID: Please do not send the win.dat file as an attachment unless it is in a format everyone can decode. I've had to trash this file too many times now. Thanks in Advance! Keith >As far as I understand it, Hawk after his habit of spitting, wind from his >habit of farting. Prosaic, but plausible. > >Mike P > >---------- >From: J Strobridge[SMTP:eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK] >Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 1996 04:04 >To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Subject: Re: HW : Name > >Jon Browne writes: > >> In message <01I8R4KH3H6A8YASTS at delphi.com>, HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes >> >Definitely Nik. That is the schnozz that helped give HW their name... >> >> I find it hard to beieve that Hawkwind got their name from Nik's nose >> and the fact that he farted a lot. For a start weren't they called >> Hawkwind before Nik joined? >> > >I think they were called Group X when Nik joined and Hawkwind Zoo >subsequently ('cos apparently they all looked like something out of a >zoo....) and then the zoo bit got dropped. > >All the official histories have the naming after Nik Turner and/or Terry >Ollis (in appearance) and even, I think, Nik Turner tells this story. The >comment afterwards is usually along the lines of "so this is the rather >prosaic reasoning behind the Hawkwind name - not very esoteric or >exciting is it!" > > >> I've always thought it was a referece to the Aeon of Horus, the Hawk- >> headed God as postulated by Crowley among others. (Ya know, the "Wind Of >> Change" etc.) I thought Nik's original Sphynx work bore this out to a >> degree. I was going to ask Dave in the Cyber-Interview but was too busy >> "holding the centre" at the time! >> >> Any thoughts? > >Maybe this came later - once they got into the space-rock style? > >yrs > >jill (wet blanket) strobridge > >=========================================================================== >J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >M,3DY-B P-,XZ-' NSRDM5&\Q#RMK>$UU;!Y@"U C0!808W\%( B0`C $(!WQ >M)+ SL4(P3T,M3#3/+]YU8DYJ)S$V[RMK4F4]0$CD5R ]0$YA!X C?R2#W#,V >M)?<:12;V2@(@.G!I`V!W;B- =P40$]!S^CHB/#X;@ .@!X$@\"S0`" \,#%) >M.%(T`$M(,T at V03A9($%35%- #;!L<"4=4"X%H&T^'(%%4A)"1^!4,30 at 0$1% >M`$Q02$DN0T]-0>P(R @H%01@ 5 '6$,=&@C0 3P >M:&YO>CYZ2Z%+44O 1R )@"!G7&EV(T _84NQ:07 ;OT_P2Y.4$2&1(@;$![2 >M'<&S$8$<0'1O(4!-T&5-4?=,MLAL@[R=!3'4@(TT!83H@)Q @H/Y&!;%6,!P!`" >L 20"?"V)U(C2L!C!T B >M`&1$AQ]1=U"P`A 6$$K2(&IO^PN "8 _3HT*A1N02[ +@$\M`V!U^' @6!ZP2\ #H%HH5&/147=:;V\*A7,\X!&PSG$*4 (P2K$H)P6@!"!\ >M87 *L6$D5^-8059!;^\C,!Q )+ C,7,#M42XI5&8#H$NR97$A0'L=P5("9 - at 8? )@"(M0?]B\4NR'? 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Several people here have said that Brock et al. must've known something ahead of time about the recent surge in interest on Alien life-forms (due to Roswell, Independence Day, Martian bacteria, Fox TV, etc.), so I was thinking that maybe they should try to hit on a new concept that will grow big in the next year or so. Any ideas?? All I could think of was 'Space Macarena'. You know, Ron Tree could program his mad robot to do the Macarena dance on stage, and Brock & Davey could program their synthesizers to do the song with some added space effects. And then the part of the 'Macarena' girl could be portrayed by the android woman that 'moans another's name' in Spirit of the Age. Whaddya think?? Keith H. (FAA) P.S. Gawd...I hope nobody thought I was serious on this idea.... :) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Aug 27 15:31:20 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:31:20 EST Subject: BOC: Patti Smith/Allen Lanier Message-ID: > Interesting item in the _Independent on Sunday_, an interview with John Cale > and Patti Smith. Here, Cale is talking about producing _Horses_ (Smith's > first album): > > --- > I didn't get on with Allen Lanier (a guitarist on _Horses_), her boyfriend at > the time. He was a member of the band the Blue Oyster Cult and came in for > the project as this great guitarist. He obviously felt that he was due a > certain kind of treatment, and didn't feel that I was granting him the space. > It escalated and escalated until it got a little frightening. Confrontation > with her was indirect, but with Allen it was sheer testosterone. > --- > > How strange it seems now that a guitarist from the Blue Oyster Cult (a band > with sadly little credibility left) might feel superior to John Cale! > > - Andy I wouldn't presume to defend Allen [though I'd like to hear his side of it] but we need to keep in mind that this incident occurred at the height [!] of BOC's popularity. Wouldn't this have been around the laser/football stadium phase of BOC's career? In that light [ouch] we might understand how AL might have expceted a bit of deference as being a member of one of the top acts of that time. Again, no excuse for rude behavior [esp. gven his rather mediocre abilities as a gtrist-no questioning his keyboard talent] but perhaps a bit easier to understand... theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Aug 27 15:35:34 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:35:34 EST Subject: was...new arrival...now OFF: UFO Message-ID: > > > out here. Now back to the regularly scheduled UFO talk... > > > > > > Mike. > > > > Personally, I stopped listening to them after MS left... > > Which time? The first time, or just this past year, when he left mid-US tour? > I was lucky enough to see them before this unfortunate event. Pretty good > show...it was just like seeing the 'Strangers in the Night' tour. A bit > nostalgic I suppose, but I wasn't old enough to have seen them in the late > 70's, so it was like travelling in time. :) > > I haven't heard the reunion album though (Walk on Water)...I think there's some > problem getting it now, as the future of the band is uncertain again (I > suppose). > > Keith H. (FAA) Dang! I didn't even know they'd reformed. Actually, didn't MS leave the band more than once during their heyday? Was he on Obsession? I think he was temporarily replaced at some time, but maybe that was just for a tour. Was he on all the early studio albums? Once out, did he ever return. or were all the post-'Strangers' albums with other cats on gtr? theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Aug 27 15:45:51 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:45:51 EST Subject: BOC: Patti Smith/Allen Lanier Message-ID: > > > > --- > > I didn't get on with Allen Lanier (a guitarist on _Horses_), her boyfriend at > > the time. He was a member of the band the Blue Oyster Cult and came in for > > the project as this great guitarist. He obviously felt that he was due a > > certain kind of treatment, and didn't feel that I was granting him the space. > > It escalated and escalated until it got a little frightening. Confrontation > > with her was indirect, but with Allen it was sheer testosterone. > > --- > > > > > > - Andy > The thought of Allen [all 120 lbs soaking-wet of him] getting ballsy with someone is funny enough. But who must this dude be if Allen scared him? I think my mother could probably piss-pound Allen! theo From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Aug 27 14:59:05 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:59:05 -0400 Subject: BOC: Patti Smith/Allen Lanier Message-ID: >In a message dated 96-08-27 14:05:20 EDT, you write: > ><< How strange it seems now that a guitarist from the Blue Oyster Cult (a >band > with sadly little credibility left) might feel superior to John Cale! >> > >Well, being that he is a keyboard player and guitar is a second instrument, I >think he has a little more credibility than you may think. He always has said he felt more at home on guitar than keyboards, and implied just kind of ended up in that role. He said in an interview that Buck does better keyboards.... I also heard some stuff somewhere about Allen doing lead guitar for much of the new album...., +-------------------------------------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random Baron Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm From NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM Tue Aug 27 14:58:44 1996 From: NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM (NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 14:58:44 -0400 Subject: BOC: Patti Smith/Allen Lanier Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-27 14:56:34 EDT, you write: << The thought of Allen [all 120 lbs soaking-wet of him] getting ballsy with someone is funny enough. But who must this dude be if Allen scared him? I think my mother could probably piss-pound Allen! >> LOL!!!! Mike. };^)' From NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM Tue Aug 27 15:01:47 1996 From: NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM (NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:01:47 -0400 Subject: BOC: Patti Smith/Allen Lanier Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-27 15:00:26 EDT, you write: << He always has said he felt more at home on guitar than keyboards, and implied just kind of ended up in that role. >> Now that you mention that...you're right. I read that in the Goldmine interview. Mike. };^)' From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Aug 27 15:06:13 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:06:13 -0400 Subject: New arrival Message-ID: Mike sez: >I guess that shows you how new I am here. :) Well, the following questions would be a clearer indication of a newbie round here: 1. So what's the latest BOC album? 2. How come the Bouchard's aren't in BOC anymore, and when are they going to rejoin the band? 3. When did Buck Dharma shave off his moustache? 4. Does the BOC drummer still play with a Godzilla mask? 5. Are there any BOC compilations available on CD? 6. Do they still use lasers? ;-) BTW, some of these questions are answered in the BOC FAQ, although I don't think there's any info on Buck's missing facial hair. John "We may be gods, or just big marionettes - and the sun never sweats." -- Spinal Tap From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Aug 27 15:25:02 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:25:02 -0400 Subject: HW: Next concept In-Reply-To: <199608271825.OAA15207@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Keith A Henderson wondered: > I was just wondering what the next HW concept could/should be. Several people > here have said that Brock et al. must've known something ahead of time about > the recent surge in interest on Alien life-forms (due to Roswell, Independence > Day, Martian bacteria, Fox TV, etc.), so I was thinking that maybe they should > try to hit on a new concept that will grow big in the next year or so. > > Any ideas?? > > All I could think of was 'Space Macarena'. You know, Ron Tree could program > his mad robot to do the Macarena dance on stage, and Brock & Davey could > program their synthesizers to do the song with some added space effects. And > then the part of the 'Macarena' girl could be portrayed by the android woman > that 'moans another's name' in Spirit of the Age. Actually, instead of a mad robot, I was thinking that they could team up again with Sam Fox and she could be the "Macarena Girl." Surely a move destined to pull in the punters... (She could even do the Space Macarena in a cage suspended above the stage.;) > P.S. Gawd...I hope nobody thought I was serious on this idea.... :) D'oh! ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _London Stone_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Aug 27 16:34:21 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:34:21 -0400 Subject: New arrival Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-27 15:07:31 EDT, you write: << Well, the following questions would be a clearer indication of a newbie round here: 1. So what's the latest BOC album? 2. How come the Bouchard's aren't in BOC anymore, and when are they going to rejoin the band? 3. When did Buck Dharma shave off his moustache? 4. Does the BOC drummer still play with a Godzilla mask? 5. Are there any BOC compilations available on CD? 6. Do they still use lasers? >> Uhhh... So... what are the answers?? ;-) R. From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Tue Aug 27 17:05:38 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 21:05:38 UT Subject: BOC: Patti Smith/Allen Lanier Message-ID: > I wouldn't presume to defend Allen [though I'd like to hear his side > of it] but we need to keep in mind that this incident occurred at the > height [!] of BOC's popularity. Wouldn't this have been around the > laser/football stadium phase of BOC's career? In that light [ouch] > we might understand how AL might have expceted a bit of deference as > being a member of one of the top acts of that time. Maybe I didn't express myself very well! What I meant was it seemed a strange concept in 1996, when BOC are all but forgotten, and Cale's stature has grown. Quite a contrast with 1975, when, yes, BOC were a top stadium act. In Patti Smith's part of the interview, she says "I don't really remember conflict between him [Cale] and my boyfriend at the time, but I know there was some jealousy." The whole interview is very interesting, actually! The Indy has a presence on AOL, so if my account were still working there I'd see if I could snag a copy... or maybe any AOLers here might take a look? (Keyword INDEPENDENT.) - Andy ObCD: Alan Davey - _Captured Rotation_ From NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM Tue Aug 27 17:48:55 1996 From: NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM (NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:48:55 -0400 Subject: BOC: Patti Smith/Allen Lanier Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-27 17:10:36 EDT, you write: << The Indy has a presence on AOL, so if my account were still working there I'd see if I could snag a copy... or maybe any AOLers here might take a look? (Keyword INDEPENDENT.) >> Thanks...I will take a look. Do they have any pictures of Allen flexing his mighty biceps? Mike. };^)' From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Aug 27 20:29:41 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:29:41 -0400 Subject: New arrival Message-ID: >BTW, some of these questions are answered in the BOC FAQ, although I don't >think there's any info on Buck's missing facial hair. Well, I remember being shocked at the trim job Eric had done on his beard comin' through Florida in end of last year, has anyone established between what dates he had it done? (this was Nov 30, 1995....) =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From spacy at TELEPORT.COM Tue Aug 27 20:57:23 1996 From: spacy at TELEPORT.COM (Baron Bloom) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 16:57:23 -0800 Subject: Found_lyrics Message-ID: I'm not sure if every one knows this or if everyone doesent; I was watching Star Treck (the next generation) the other night, it was the the episode where Jordi La Forge gets programmed by the romulans to kill some klingon without being aware of it. I was not totally sure if it was the same voices (Data and the Computer) until I heard the cd (Alien 4)! Data: What kind of computer would be cappable of processsing these signals? Computer: A system designed to modify the electromagnetic spectrum and carry those messages directly to the human brain. ,BB http://www.teleport.com/~spacy/ ------------------------------- spacy at teleport.com (Baron Bloom) -------------------------------- From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Aug 27 21:49:06 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:49:06 +1100 Subject: NT's LP Message-ID: On 27 Aug 96 at 1:48, HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > >> > I have just recently bought NT's "past or future" CD, and I have > >a query > >> > for anyone who is "in the know". Who are in the photos in the inner > >> > sleeve? You know, the one's in the "spheres". > >> > >> I've only got a photocopy of it (thanks Chuck .... it arrived this > >> morning!), but from what I can tell ....... > > Hey, Paul. How about a review?? :) A review of photocopied liner notes? Neat concept ;^) Seriously folks, if any of you have missed my infamous reviews .... I promise to start catching up again one day soon ..... -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Aug 27 18:12:26 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:12:26 +1100 Subject: HW: Next Tour? Message-ID: >From a reasonably reliable source who recently stayed at a certain farm in Devon I quote: " Brock did talk about a tour with a Circus big-top, lightshows and dancers, jugglers, fireeaters (did you know Kris is one?) and who knows what....it might turn into a world tour......." Sound interesting .... anyone willing to take odds on the "World" bit not happening? Paul -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Phone/Fax: +61 3 9888-9333/+61 3 9888-9001 Business Mail: mailto:paul at pcmicro.com.au ................................................................... Private Mail: mailto:sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Wed Aug 28 00:10:13 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:10:13 +1000 Subject: OFF: win.dat (was Re: HW : Name) Message-ID: Can any technically minded person explain what this is and why this happens? There's someone on another list I'm on who has a win.dat attached to EVERY post, and they've apologised profusely and frequently, saying that their computing people are unable to stop it happening. Their best guess, as I remember, is something to do with a problem between their mail software and Windows95. Any ideas? I think they, and everyone else, would appreciate the help. Pete. ObLP:Buffalo "Dead Forever" At 01:20 PM 27/8/96 -0500, you wrote: >Please do not send the win.dat file as an attachment unless it is in a >format everyone can decode. I've had to trash this file too many times now. > > >Thanks in Advance! >Keith > ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "One new slave, the same old rock." - Roy Harper From sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Aug 28 01:55:11 1996 From: sonique at HYME.PCMICRO.COM.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:55:11 +1100 Subject: OFF: win.dat (was Re: HW : Name) Message-ID: On 28 Aug 96 at 14:10, Peter Sondergeld wrote: > Can any technically minded person explain what this is and why this happens? > There's someone on another list I'm on who has a win.dat attached to EVERY > post, and they've apologised profusely and frequently, saying that their > computing people are unable to stop it happening They are pretty much telling the truth there ....there are a few mail readers around which do neet things like allow embedded objects (such as graphics etc.) included in the file ..... this is NON standard, so to get it all to work the data which describes the add ons (such as font information etc.) is sent as an attachment which THAT particular mail reader detects and decodes automatically. The only solution is to use another mail agent .... which may or may not be possible depending on their mail server. Does that make sense? Paul/Sonique -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at www.pcmicro.com.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From npuchot at PASTEUR.FR Wed Aug 28 06:16:58 1996 From: npuchot at PASTEUR.FR (nico) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:16:58 +0000 Subject: HW : 7th september gig Message-ID: Is there a hawk-fan who could give me informations about the Sweet Smoke festival at Tilburg in Holland the 7th september? I would like to know the venue and the phone number for booking tickets thanks!!!!! nicolas From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Aug 27 12:53:29 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:53:29 +0100 Subject: HW : Name In-Reply-To: <9608271504.aa19816@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9608271504.aa19816 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, J Strobridge writes >All the official histories have the naming after Nik Turner and/or Terry >Ollis (in appearance) and even, I think, Nik Turner tells this story. The >comment afterwards is usually along the lines of "so this is the rather >prosaic reasoning behind the Hawkwind name - not very esoteric or >exciting is it!" Hmm, well, you can't argue with "official histories" can you? :) I have to say, I'm not entirely convinced, esp. as Nik has on several occasions revealed a knowledge of Crowley, e.g. he performed the Lesser Pentagramic Ritual onstage at Stonehenge '84. I bloody well bet there's a bit more significance to it than Nose-fart, I don't think these guys choose the name quite so lightly esp. at a time (the '60's) when *everything* had *meaning*. (Man!) Oh well, anyway, if they're not telling, it's clearly a private matter. -- Jon Browne From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Wed Aug 28 06:02:35 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:02:35 +0000 Subject: HW : Name Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > Hmm, well, you can't argue with "official histories" can you? :) > I have to say, I'm not entirely convinced, esp. as Nik has on several > occasions revealed a knowledge of Crowley, e.g. he performed the Lesser > Pentagramic Ritual onstage at Stonehenge '84. He did ! Can you tell me about this ritual ? I was there and don't remember seeing anything of significance. Then again I think I may have been on planet 10 at the time, or being stripped searched at the local police station ! Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Aug 28 05:17:44 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:17:44 UT Subject: HW : Name Message-ID: > Hmm, well, you can't argue with "official histories" can you? :) Have to say I agree with you, Jon - and I never bought the "special offer on seafood" story the other side of the list put about, either... :) - Andy From npuchot at PASTEUR.FR Wed Aug 28 10:18:53 1996 From: npuchot at PASTEUR.FR (nico) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:18:53 +0000 Subject: hawkwind 7th september gig Message-ID: I have found the informations I was looking for!: the sweet smoke festival (7th september): it is in Bosvreugd, Reeshofdijk 12, Tilburg (Holland). 31.13.4633531 Hawkwind is playing there, some sort of lo-fi set, unplugged. + green lizard, Loose and more. tickets are 27,50 (dutch guilders) in pre-sale (only in Tilburg) and 32,50 at the door. I need confirmation about the fact Hawkwind will play unplugged (it's hard to believe!) Nicolas From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Aug 28 08:53:14 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:53:14 -0400 Subject: BOC: Hair Message-ID: Andrew asks: >Well, I remember being shocked at the trim job Eric had done on his beard comin' through Florida in end of last year, has anyone established between what dates he had it done? (this was Nov 30, 1995....) I think Eric got his new hairstyle sometime in '94 -- I saw him with his "Jim 'The Anvil' Neidhart" look at a show in the summer of 1994. I've seen a video of BOC from 1992 and he had his "classic" hairstyle at that time. Also, Morning Final #11 mentions the hairstyles of the band at a Nov. '94 show implying that they were somewhat new, so my guess is that spring or summer of '94 is likely. Speakin' of which, I've decided that maybe (kind of as a joke question) I'll put "When did Buck shave his moustache?" into the FAQ. The short answer will be "Where HAVE you been for the last 10 years?" (I know, some would ask the same question of BOC). As for the real answer, I know it was sometime back in the mid-80's - certainly by the time *Club Ninja* was out (1986), but it could have been as early as 1983 or 1984 (although I seem to recall him having one in the "Shooting Shark" video). If anyone can pin the timeframe down a bit closer for me, I'd appreciate it. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Aug 28 09:58:24 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:58:24 -0500 Subject: BOC: Hair Message-ID: > Speakin' of which, I've decided that maybe (kind of as a joke question) > I'll put "When did Buck shave his moustache?" into the FAQ. The short > answer will be "Where HAVE you been for the last 10 years?" (I know, > some would ask the same question of BOC). As for the real answer, I know > it was sometime back in the mid-80's - certainly by the time *Club Ninja* > was out (1986), but it could have been as early as 1983 or 1984 (although > I seem to recall him having one in the "Shooting Shark" video). If anyone > can pin the timeframe down a bit closer for me, I'd appreciate it. > > John I'm pretty sure it was pre-CN. I saw them on the RBN tour, and I'm fairly sure he was clean-shaven. BTW, this was a huge outdoor show, and I got to set up and do security for the show. Total gas. Got friendly with BD's gtr tech. [can't remember his name] who let me play BD's gtrs! When did BOC stop playing large shows and become a club act? I remember them playing a few club shows here in between arena shows [I assume they were tune-up gigs]. I assume by CN they were relegated to second-rate gigs, or were they still playing stadiums at that time? theo From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Aug 28 09:35:09 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:35:09 UT Subject: HW: Captured Rotation Message-ID: Picked this up yesterday - pardon my cynicism about the punctuality of EBS releases... :) Anyway, it's quite a decent album - nothing on it "rocks as hard" as "Sputnik Stan", if that's what you're looking for, but it's clear from the first bars that it's a bass player's album. It's never less than pleasant, and occasionally quite driving and lively. All instruments by AD, including the lead guitar! And Ron's presence on three tracks is welcome, too - not just to give the album some more variety (I think it would have got a little samey without), but because he's getting a lot better. He's much more restrained than he was on _Alien 4_, and he's actually _singing_ instead of just making vocal noises. A big improvement! - Andy From RHamel4129 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 09:37:49 1996 From: RHamel4129 at AOL.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:37:49 -0400 Subject: BOC: Hair + Going from stadiums to clubs Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-28 09:14:25 EDT, you write: > > Speakin' of which, I've decided that maybe (kind of as a joke question) > > I'll put "When did Buck shave his moustache?" into the FAQ. The short > > answer will be "Where HAVE you been for the last 10 years?" (I know, > > some would ask the same question of BOC). As for the real answer, I know > > it was sometime back in the mid-80's - certainly by the time *Club Ninja* > > was out (1986), but it could have been as early as 1983 or 1984 (although > > I seem to recall him having one in the "Shooting Shark" video). If anyone > > can pin the timeframe down a bit closer for me, I'd appreciate it. > > > > John From RHamel4129 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 09:51:27 1996 From: RHamel4129 at AOL.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:51:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: Hair + going form stadium band to club band Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-28 09:14:25 EDT, you write: > > Speakin' of which, I've decided that maybe (kind of as a joke question) > > I'll put "When did Buck shave his moustache?" into the FAQ. The short > > answer will be "Where HAVE you been for the last 10 years?" (I know, > > some would ask the same question of BOC). As for the real answer, I know > > it was sometime back in the mid-80's - certainly by the time *Club Ninja* > > was out (1986), but it could have been as early as 1983 or 1984 (although > > I seem to recall him having one in the "Shooting Shark" video). If anyone > > can pin the timeframe down a bit closer for me, I'd appreciate it. > > > > John Sorry about that last mailer folks, I screwed up and hit send too soon. OK, I think we can establish that Buck shaved somewhere between RBN and CN. He has the 'stach on both of the RBN videos, but doesn't have it on the Dancin' in the Ruins video. This might help, though I don't know the date of it: Buck was clean shaven during Ronnie Dio's Stars project. As far as becoming a club band, BOC never did a stadium tour in New England for Ninja. I remember seeing them at the Kingston, NH fairgrounds twice between when I saw them at the Worcester Centrum for RBN, and post Ninja. To give you an idea, I saw them at the Centrum for ETL, and the place was jammed. For RBN it was maybe 2/3 full. They headlined at both of the Kingston shows, though no other big bands were there really. Rich From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Aug 28 09:52:35 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:52:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: Hair Message-ID: >play BD's gtrs! When did BOC stop playing large shows and become a >club act? I remember them playing a few club shows here in between >arena shows [I assume they were tune-up gigs]. I assume by CN they >were relegated to second-rate gigs, or were they still playing >stadiums at that time? >theo Well, I remember sitting in an airplane in Houston, as we taxied about picking up a local radio station on my walkman, and hearing the radio announcer say that BOC has decided to cut back their tours and become a club act, and they would be appearing at some Houston club that night, a chance, he said, to see them up close. This was when I was first going to college, in the fall of 1986. It stuck in my mind at the time. I didn't catch any more discussion as I was forced to stop using the radio .by a stewardess at that point.... (I was on my way to San Antonio...) =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Baron of Silverwater Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands http://www.magg.net/~mordru/silver.htm (Andrew A. Apold) From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Wed Aug 28 15:02:29 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 15:02:29 +-100 Subject: OFF: Attachment-FAO Keith Message-ID: The last possibility I can think of is that for some reason going through the list as opposed to direct causes the attachment to be made. I will post a mail now to the list to see what happens, please let me know on either count. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Aug 28 11:07:00 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:07:00 EST Subject: BOC: Hair + going form stadium band to club band Message-ID: > > As far as becoming a club band, BOC never did a stadium tour in > New England for Ninja. I remember seeing them at the Kingston, NH > fairgrounds twice between when I saw them at the Worcester Centrum > for RBN, and post Ninja. To give you an idea, I saw them at the Centrum > for ETL, and the place was jammed. For RBN it was maybe 2/3 full. > They headlined at both of the Kingston shows, though no other big bands > were there really. > > Rich Manuel, Can ya dig it! The very same elusive show! Hope ya like it! theo From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Aug 28 11:17:02 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:17:02 -0400 Subject: Found_lyrics Message-ID: Yep, you are right about where the lyrics came from. This was discussed on the list a while back Martyn From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Wed Aug 28 11:37:16 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:37:16 -0500 Subject: OFF: win.dat In-Reply-To: <199608280805.SAA02489@burwood.pcmicro.com.au> from "Assassin Sonique" at Aug 28, 96 04:55:11 pm Message-ID: > > On 28 Aug 96 at 14:10, Peter Sondergeld wrote: > > > Can any technically minded person explain what this is and why this happens? > > There's someone on another list I'm on who has a win.dat attached to EVERY > > post, and they've apologised profusely and frequently, saying that their > > computing people are unable to stop it happening > > They are pretty much telling the truth there ....there are a few mail > readers around which do neet things like allow embedded objects (such > as graphics etc.) included in the file ..... this is NON standard, so > to get it all to work the data which describes the add ons (such as > font information etc.) is sent as an attachment which THAT particular > mail reader detects and decodes automatically. > > Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long Right on the nose! >From what I can gather, it is the formatting information produced by the Microsoft Exchange (comes with Win 95 and NT) email client. This process allows those with similar mail systems to view the mail as a sort of Rich Text Format (RTF) file with font and graphic info included. Since that info is treated as an attachment, it also allows those with dissimilar (straight text, etc.) mail systems to still read the text content of the message. I know that this is not helping your particular situation, but I hope it helps explain it. -- "If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6134 From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Aug 28 11:50:14 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:50:14 +0200 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Hello ! >From 01. September.1996 I'll have a new account with a new e-mail address The new e-mail address is: ===================================== bernhard.pospiech at gelsenkirchen.netsurf.de ===================================== Send your e-mails to me only to this address please !! Thank you Bernhard From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Aug 28 11:51:23 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:51:23 -0400 Subject: BOC: Clubs vs. Arenas Message-ID: > As far as becoming a club band, BOC never did a stadium tour in > New England for Ninja. I remember seeing them at the Kingston, NH > fairgrounds twice between when I saw them at the Worcester Centrum > for RBN, and post Ninja. To give you an idea, I saw them at the Centrum > for ETL, and the place was jammed. For RBN it was maybe 2/3 full. > They headlined at both of the Kingston shows, though no other big bands > were there really. I also was at the '82 Worcester Centrum show (my first BOC show - I got a tape of that one too - the radio broadcast, BTW, left off 3 or 4 songs from the show, although there is a lower quality tape, and audience recording, floating around with the complete show), and yeah, the place was jammed. I missed the RBN tour though. However, I caught them on a "pre-"CN show when they played the now-defunct Channel in Boston in the fall of '85 (October, I think). The Channel was a large club which probably held around 800-1000 people. The gig was originally billed as "The Soft White Underbelly". As the gig date got closer, they started letting out more "clues" for the unitiated (ads in the paper said - "You know who they really are" with the letters B O C printed under a group photo. The week of the gig they were being advertised as Blue Oyster Cult. The next time BOC came to Boston was, I believe, January 1st, 1988, and they were billed as Blue Oyster Cult from the start. I believe that BOC did still do some larger venues on the CN tour, some of them probably being in Europe (just prior to Joe B.'s departure from the band). After that though, it was mostly clubs (with the occassional festival thrown in). John "Late afternoon in the open air - a human sea made outta mud and hair. Yeah, ain't nothing like a festival crowd. There's too many people so we play too loud." -- Spinal Tap (Stinkin' Up the Great Outdoors) From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Wed Aug 28 09:02:00 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:02:00 -0400 Subject: New arrival Message-ID: << Well, the following questions would be a clearer indication of a newbie round here: > 1. So what's the latest BOC album? That all depends...Do you mean the last studio album or the last album released? >3. When did Buck Dharma shave off his moustache? So, why did he shave his 'stache? >Uhhh... >So... what are the answers?? >;-) >R. Chris From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Aug 28 04:47:43 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:47:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Bad Rumor In-Reply-To: <199608280022.KAA00328@burwood.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: In reference to the rumour about Alan leaving, I'm been given more info which unfortunately I've promised not to impart until things have settled down, but I'm afraid there is more to Alan's non-appearence in France than "just couldn't make it". The reason I've been told this and the reason I'm passing it on, is because at this stage there is still time for Alan to change his mind. i.e. we need to let him know that WE want him to stay. I'm sorry if I seem like I'm rumour-mongering but I've not given any duff info in the past, trust me on this one. I'd really like to let Alan know that I for one think he's a totally crucial part of the band now and it would just gut the sound if he left. If you have any contact with the band or any friends-of-friends, just let them know how you feel about Alan leaving and hopefully this will remain a bad rumour. PS Something else I've been asked not to mention, which I can now is Silver Machine is to have a 25th Anniversary Re-issue, most probably with the Utah Saints version (among others) as the b-Side. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Aug 28 11:37:14 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:37:14 +0100 Subject: HW : Name In-Reply-To: <32240B2B.1E2E@mic.dundee.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <32240B2B.1E2E at mic.dundee.ac.uk>, Andy Cobley writes > >He did ! > >Can you tell me about this ritual ? I was there and don't remember >seeing anything of significance. Well, it isn't massively important, I just took it as indicative of "other" interests. (From memory so forgive and correct errors) Quite near the beginning, do you remember him "drawing" pentagrams in the air with his "sword". A ceremonial sword is usually used, I think Nik had one of those plastic Lightsabers you used to be able to get at the end of the '70's. You do this to the four ststions, N,E,S,W and invoke the corresponding angels etc. To someone studying this path, it's a daily thing and has about as much significance in itself as say, a good Tai- Chi session. Its often a precursor, though, to some sustained work. Say a 14 hour gig for instance :) But then, you've all got the video and I'm recalling something from 12 years ago when I was a lot more into that stuff. If anyone cares to watch the vid and he's not doing anything of the sort, please roast my ass! I must get around to getting the vid. That was the best HW show I ever saw. (of around 50) > >Then again I think I may have been on planet 10 at the time, or >being stripped searched at the local police station ! ah! happy days! > >Andy C -- Jon Browne From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Wed Aug 28 12:05:16 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:05:16 EDT Subject: BOC: Clubs vs. Arenas Message-ID: I don't recall BOC ever being a major act for stadiums or arenas. Their mainstay was always small to mid size theaters and clubs. When they did arena tours they were generally lumped into a larger billing. Like the black n blue tour, for example. RR From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Wed Aug 28 17:14:50 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:14:50 +-100 Subject: OFF: Attachments Message-ID: Recently there have been problems with attachments tagging along with mails, creating merry hell for recipients who don't want them. I believe that originally all my mails had these, I think I have fixed the problem now. My profoundest apologies if this is not the case, please let me know. For those who are using Microsoft Exchange I have found the following website "http://www.halcyon.com/goetter/widgets.htm" This has downloadable software which prevents "rich text" messages being sent by accident, here is a cut from the text: "Exchange makes it very easy to send a rich text message to a recipient running a client other than Exchange. That recipient will see a huge, unreadable chunk of encoded binary data. If that recipient happens to be an Internet mailing list, five thousand users will each receive that chunk. Rich Text Sentry helps guard against such embarrassing accidents." Ring any bells? I hope that this is of some use. Mike P From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 28 17:23:19 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:23:19 BST Subject: HW: Bad Rumor - attn: Star Rats In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:47:43 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > If you have any contact with the band or any friends-of-friends, just > let them know how you feel about Alan leaving and hopefully this will > remain a bad rumour. Would Star Rats be able to accept email, print it, and pass it on to Alan et al? Seems like that would be a useful way for us to express our appreciation for what Alan has done for the band and if it were to help persuade him to stay that would be good. FoFP From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Wed Aug 28 12:02:04 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 11:02:04 -0500 Subject: hawkwind 7th september gig Message-ID: Hawkwind will not be playing unplugged at the Sweet Smoke Festival. Star_Rats From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Aug 28 17:33:07 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:33:07 BST Subject: HW: Bad Rumor In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:47:43 +0100 Message-ID: If anyone here can get a message to the band, then I hope he or she will tell them that everyone on this list would be really pissed off if Alan left. Dave. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Aug 28 11:22:53 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:22:53 +0100 Subject: HW : Name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Andrew Gilham writes >and I never bought the "special offer on >seafood" story the other side of the list put about, either... :) > >- Andy What?! I must have missed that one! -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Aug 28 05:08:03 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 10:08:03 +0100 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. Message-ID: Do you have any comment to make on this scurilous and hopefully unfounded rumour about Alan, which horribly keeps persisting? -- Jon Browne From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Aug 28 13:59:00 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:59:00 EST Subject: BOC: Clubs vs. Arenas Message-ID: > > I don't recall BOC ever being a major act for stadiums or arenas. Their > mainstay was always small to mid size theaters and clubs. > > When they did arena tours they were generally lumped into a larger billing. > Like the black n blue tour, for example. > > RR Not so! Thtoughout the late 70s-early 80s BOC played football stadia, Hockey rinks, everything. In the late 70s they were on a level with the very biggest bands in rock, maybe just a notch below the Stones, Who etc. And their laser shows were the epitome of high tech. Geez, you crazy kids! theo From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Aug 28 18:17:32 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:17:32 BST Subject: HW: Bad Rumor In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Wed, 28 Aug 1996 09:47:43 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > If you have any contact with the band or any friends-of-friends, just > let them know how you feel about Alan leaving and hopefully this will > remain a bad rumour. > gods - yes! It would be a disaster if Alan left. I really hope it doesn't happen and any encouragement to him to stay that would make any difference at all I gladly offer here and now. somebody tell me this is just a bad dream..... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Wed Aug 28 13:38:23 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:38:23 EDT Subject: BOC: Clubs vs. Arenas Message-ID: Yea, I saw BOC play the arenas and stadiums back then too. But, for every show they did like that, they did many little ones in between. They never had major headline status, so much so that they could fill anything over 15K seats just on their billing alone. >, maybe just a notch below the Stones, Who etc. I think your skating on thin ice with this assertion. RR From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Aug 28 14:11:27 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:11:27 UT Subject: HW : Name Message-ID: Jon replied to me: >>and I never bought the "special offer on >>seafood" story the other side of the list put about, either... :) >> >>- Andy >What?! I must have missed that one! That's the story where Pearlman and Meltzer saw a restaurant selling Blue Point oysters at a discount, hence the name... I dunno, like the "fartnose" story, it seems too much like an after-the-fact consumer-friendly explanation to me. (I still think it shares a common origin with the name of the gay bar ("The Blue Oyster") in _Police Academy_, but I'd like that to be true mostly because it would piss off so many redneck BOC fans. :-) There is a book called "Rock Band Names" or something like that, that trots out both these stories as gospel - they interview Lemmy for the HW name (as well as Motorhead), and the best part is where Lemmy says (I quote from memory), "before that they were called Hawkwind Zoo, which is before I joined, but the Zoo part certainly fucking fit". - Andy From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Aug 28 14:24:23 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig A. Shipley) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:24:23 -0400 Subject: hawkwind 7th september gig Message-ID: Howzabout "plugged", then??? (I kinda think that HW wouldn't do a real good "unplugged"set, just like Tangerine Dream wouldn't. An unplugged synth don't make no sound at all (unless ya knock it over or use it as a plastic percussion device...). Not to mention all the sequencers, computers, efx, etc... ;-) Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: Hawkwind[SMTP:Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 1996 12:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: hawkwind 7th september gig Hawkwind will not be playing unplugged at the Sweet Smoke Festival. Star_Rats -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1702 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Aug 28 14:30:18 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:30:18 -0400 Subject: BOC: Clubs vs. Arenas Message-ID: Well, my recollection is that from around '75 to '82, BOC headlined at most of the major venues, or at least places that (in my estimation) seated around 10-15 thousand. Rankin' up there with some of the other major acts of the day (The Who, The Stones, etc.) might be a bit of a stretch - although my guess is BOC played in alot of the same venues, but for one show as oppossed to 2 or 3. Perhaps Albert could give us a better idea of what size halls/crowds BOC played to on a regular basis during their heyday (haven't heard much from him these days - busy mixing?). John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Aug 28 15:23:29 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted Jackson jr. EL 84) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 14:23:29 EST Subject: BOC: Clubs vs. Arenas Message-ID: > Yea, I saw BOC play the arenas and stadiums back then too. But, for > every show they did like that, they did many little ones in between. > > They never had major headline status, so much so that they could fill > anything over 15K seats just on their billing alone. > > >, maybe just a notch below the Stones, Who etc. > > I think your skating on thin ice with this assertion. > > RR I'll appeal to a higher authority! John, straighten this young whelp out on the issue... theo From pookadad at DELTANET.COM Wed Aug 28 15:19:53 1996 From: pookadad at DELTANET.COM (Michael G Karschner) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:19:53 -0700 Subject: BOC: Clubs vs. Arenas Message-ID: ross.reyes wrote: > > I don't recall BOC ever being a major act for stadiums or arenas. Their > mainstay was always small to mid size theaters and clubs. > > When they did arena tours they were generally lumped into a larger billing. > Like the black n blue tour, for example. > > RR The one and only show I saw, they were at the Broome County Arena, Binhamton NY, in 1981, on the Fire of Unknown Origin tour. They were the headliner, with Riggs opening for them. The arena held about 15,000 (again, I think. The IHL Whalers play there). Memory's hazy--I know they had the giant Godzilla, pretty sure they had lasers, and I think they had Full Frontal Guitars on Hot Rails to Hell. During one song (memory's completely shot now), a spotlight light up Eric and Buck, who then flipped their guitars over (but continued playing) and used mirrors on the back to reflect the light over the crowd. With a disco mirror-ball reflecting way up in the rafters, and smoke around the stage, one of my friends just stood staring awestruck at the band, repeating "This is the greatest night of my life" over and over! And it was! :D -- Mike From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Wed Aug 28 15:16:49 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:16:49 UT Subject: hawkwind 7th september gig Message-ID: Craig said > (I kinda think that HW wouldn't do a real good "unplugged"set, just like > Tangerine Dream wouldn't. An unplugged synth don't make no sound > at all (unless ya knock it over or use it as a plastic percussion device...). > Not to mention all the sequencers, computers, efx, etc... Brit list members will probably remember those Baddiel & Newman skits like "Utah Saints Unplugged", which consisted of a pair of wallies standing there looking sheepish... - Andy From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 15:48:34 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 15:48:34 -0400 Subject: IMPORTANT dogethipnow!(was RE: PLEASE USE SUBJECT HEADERS! ) Message-ID: James Coburn writes: Right on! Motion seconded. Thanks You're welcome. And the fact that so many people have remembered this little courtesy has sher made my mailreading go a little easier in the last couple of days... for those who haven't, and newbies who haven't figured out the system, it's VERY easy-- and will keep a lot of people from either being annoyed at you and/or not paying any attention and deleting your messages automatically even if you have something worthwhile to say...which is why you then have to keep repeating your posts and wondering why no one replies... What you do is, on the Subject Line, before writing about one of the previously communally agreed upon topics (Hawkwind, BOC, the Brain Surgeons et al-- there should be a list that you received from the moderator upon signing on), simply put HW or BOC or BS... or OFF, which is what you use when posting news about off-topic subjects like Dio, life on mars, sex on earth, etc... THANK YOU later- DF now just one tune away from a complete mix... From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Aug 28 15:50:04 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 15:50:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: Clubs vs. Arenas Message-ID: Mike writes: >Memory's hazy--I know they had the giant Godzilla, pretty sure they had lasers, and I think they had Full Frontal Guitars on Hot Rails to Hell. Lasers would've been gone by '81. They did have other cool lighting effects though - perhaps you may be mistaking some other lighting effects (strobes, mirror balls, other?) for lasers. What do you mean by "full frontal guitars"? Are you referring to the "5 guitar" bit? If Albert was still in the band, then that is likely - if Downey was in the band, then no. >During one song (memory's completely shot now), a spotlight light up Eric and Buck, who then flipped their guitars over (but continued playing) and used mirrors on the back to reflect the light over the crowd. Sounds like "Born to be Wild" - Buck/Eric used to do this prior to the guitar-raking bit. >one of my friends just stood staring awestruck at the band, repeating "This is the greatest night of my life" over and over! And it was! :D Amen. John D From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 16:06:47 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:06:47 -0400 Subject: BOC: Clubs vs. Arenas Message-ID: RR writes: I don't recall BOC ever being a major act for stadiums or arenas Unfortunately, your recollections and industry reality are not the same thing. From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Aug 28 18:04:40 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:04:40 -0600 Subject: NEW DIO CD In-Reply-To: <16535E23A52@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: Yes, it is a family show. If I said something to offend you, please accept my apologies. God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed Aug 28 18:12:52 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:12:52 -0400 Subject: OFF: win.dat (was Re: HW : Name) In-Reply-To: <199608280805.SAA02489@burwood.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: In <199608280805.SAA02489 at burwood.pcmicro.com.au>, on 08/28/96 at 04:55 PM, Assassin Sonique said: >On 28 Aug 96 at 14:10, Peter Sondergeld wrote: >> Can any technically minded person explain what this is and why this happ >> There's someone on another list I'm on who has a win.dat attached to EVE >> post, and they've apologised profusely and frequently, saying that their >> computing people are unable to stop it happening >They are pretty much telling the truth there ....there are a few mail >readers around which do neet things like allow embedded objects (such as >graphics etc.) included in the file ..... this is NON standard, so to get >it all to work the data which describes the add ons (such as font >information etc.) is sent as an attachment which THAT particular mail >reader detects and decodes automatically. >The only solution is to use another mail agent .... which may or may not >be possible depending on their mail server. Does that make sense? Tell them to use MIME. I haven't been checking the headers, but I don't think they're MIME messages - looks more like something from Windows. These people aren't using something like Word to write their messages are they? Jerry ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Wed Aug 28 17:52:05 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:52:05 -0500 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. Message-ID: At 10:08 AM 8/28/96 +0100, you wrote: >Do you have any comment to make on this scurilous and hopefully >unfounded rumour about Alan, which horribly keeps persisting? I can't comment too much on this but I would just say that there were problems concerned with the recent gig in France which had more to do with the lighting rigging. This seems to have brought some other things into the open and the band are dealing with it. As to speculation that Alan is leaving, has been asked to leave or has fallen out with the band, only time will tell. Yours, Star_Rats From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Aug 28 18:28:55 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:28:55 -0600 Subject: OFF; UFO & MS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A few points of interest to ad to the UFO (the band) off discussion; First of all, Micheal Schenker left UFO (again) in late Oct of '95. We were lucky enough to see them a few weeks before he split, this time it was due to "creative and business differences" and not for personal reasons,ect. The replacement was/is John Norum of Europe/Don Dokken fame. All has been pretty quiet with UFO lately. I wonder if they have an e-mail address? In the meantime, Schenker has put together another version of MSG and is releasing a new CD very soon. As far as I know, the new MSG CD will only be available in the US as an import, so save your pennies!! God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Aug 28 18:39:25 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:39:25 -0600 Subject: BOC: Haircuts. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Eric & Buck did infact get those really short haircuts in the Spring of 1994. I have photos, courtesy of Che, from Buffalo which were dated Nov 18th, 1993. Then they played in Albuquerque in early June of 1994, so yes, the haircuts did happen during this time period. As far as Buck's cookieduster is concerned, it was in late 1984 or early 1985 when he decided to shave it off. I saw them in Europe in January of 1984 on the RBN Tour and I clearly recall Buck still having his mustache. Then, if you look at a promo photo from 1985 (the one with Zvoncheck & Wil- cox and Buck, Eric, & Joe in front of the Brooklyn Bridge), Buck was clean shaven. This promo photo came out in early 1985 to promote the new line-up and the club tour. Hope this was of help. If it wasn't, well it was fun!!!!!! God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Aug 28 19:12:11 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 17:12:11 -0600 Subject: BOC; Clubs Gradually In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Regarding the subject of WHEN BOC began playing clubs again, it was act- ually a gradual decline, if you will, to that level. HEYDAY; First of all, let us remember that BOC, even at the height of their pop- ularity, would play a few club shows here and there. These shows served several purposes. For example, new material would be tried out at these club shows and they would also serve (as someone else stated) as a fine- tuning for an upcoming tour or special festival-type appearance (see Bolle's tape list re; Donnington "81 to see what I mean). Furthermore, BOC would play club shows because they were fun to do and broke up the monotony of the big arena gigs. Listen to the SWU show of SF '80 to see what I mean. SWU shows gave the band the opportunity to do rare and early stuff as well as to get away from the "hits" a little bit. DECLINING; BOC really began touring as a club band in 1985 to break in Tommy Zvoncheck and Jimmy Wilcox. Furthermore, they had not had a new record out in 2 years (a 1st in BOC history), so there wasn't any new product to promote. A LITTLE MORE SUCESS? In 1986 (85 in Europe) BOC released the critically acclaimed " Club Ninja " (just joking!!!) and did a "disasterous" tour of Europe. By the time the band began their tour of the US (March '86) Joe had left the band and sales were brisk but not outstanding. Here, in the Spring of 1986, BOC were forced to be the opening band for Ozzy, Kiss, and Rush. They did some shows on their own in clubs and festivals, but then decided to call it quits in September of 1986. 1987 TO PRESENT: In 1987, BOC reformed with Allen and went on tour in Europe. After that tour they pretty much have been playing clubs, package tours (Total Recall Tour 1993 with Nazareth, Uriah Heep & Wishbone Ash), and many festivals throughout the years as headliners, special guests or openers. CLOSING: In closing, it is my opinion from conversations with the band and those close to them that BOC pretty much seem content with their status at the present. They basically tour when THEY want to and as long as mgmt keeps them happy with the financial aspect of it all. They could have done a full ampitheater tour this summer with Kansas/Styx, but it was their choice to just do a few of those. They love playing clubs because they pack 'em in and they get paid what they want, ect. The thorne on the side of BOC is, of course, getting a new CD of new material out to the masses. Hope this was of help to everyone. If not, thank you for letting me in- dulge in a bit of your time. As always, it was fun. God bless... Manuel & Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM Wed Aug 28 19:55:00 1996 From: NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM (NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:55:00 -0400 Subject: BOC; Clubs Gradually Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-28 19:14:11 EDT, you write: << In 1986 (85 in Europe) BOC released the critically acclaimed " Club Ninja " >> LOL!!!!!!!!! Mike. };^)' From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Aug 28 21:38:57 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig A. Shipley) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 21:38:57 -0400 Subject: BOC: Clubs vs. Arenas Message-ID: Well, when I saw 'em back up there in Maryland in the mid-70's, they were packing 'em in at the (USAir) Capitol Center. Dunno the seating capacity, but this was the venue that most of the major bands performed at (this was before the days when JFK Stadium became _the_ place for major acts (i.e. the Dead, Who, Broooce!, Floyd, etc.) to perform. May have had something to do with a more impressive sold-out performance figure...). Besides BOC, saw the Stones, Black Sabbath, ELP, Yes, Zappa, Traffic, Floyd and a number of others there (yeah, I was at the '76 BOC show that the recording was made from! I'm about 6 rows back from the front of the stage, directly in front of the stage right speaker bank! My ears didn't settle down for about two weeks). Seating capacity could vary, depending on who was performing. Yes did their "concert in the round" there, so there were no "bad seats" (i.e. directly behind the stage). This, of course, would vary the number of total seats available for a performance. Anyone know the average seating capacity for the Cap Center? Craig Shipley craigs at pyramid.com ---------- From: John A Swartz[SMTP:jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 1996 2:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: BOC: Clubs vs. Arenas Well, my recollection is that from around '75 to '82, BOC headlined at most of the major venues, or at least places that (in my estimation) seated around 10-15 thousand. Rankin' up there with some of the other major acts of the day (The Who, The Stones, etc.) might be a bit of a stretch - although my guess is BOC played in alot of the same venues, but for one show as oppossed to 2 or 3. Perhaps Albert could give us a better idea of what size halls/crowds BOC played to on a regular basis during their heyday (haven't heard much from him these days - busy mixing?). John -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I do occasionally use my old ELM system, and when I view the messages that I've sent from the PC on the UNIX box, I see all the "garbage" that Exchange converts to pretty colors and fonts 'n such. So, for those of you that use an older, less sophisticated e-mail package, this is where most of your problems are coming from, us bums with sophisticated toys! So, if you see my e-mail with my old ASCII signature, that's me on the UNIX platform; otherwise, it's one of these dern PC's... 'Nuff of this, time to toast some demons! (Final Doom, Plutonia Experiment is LETHAL!) ---------- From: Jerry Guizar[SMTP:jguizar at EPIX.NET] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 1996 6:12 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: OFF: win.dat (was Re: HW : Name) In <199608280805.SAA02489 at burwood.pcmicro.com.au>, on 08/28/96 at 04:55 PM, Assassin Sonique said: >On 28 Aug 96 at 14:10, Peter Sondergeld wrote: >> Can any technically minded person explain what this is and why this happ >> There's someone on another list I'm on who has a win.dat attached to EVE >> post, and they've apologised profusely and frequently, saying that their >> computing people are unable to stop it happening >They are pretty much telling the truth there ....there are a few mail >readers around which do neet things like allow embedded objects (such as >graphics etc.) included in the file ..... this is NON standard, so to get >it all to work the data which describes the add ons (such as font >information etc.) is sent as an attachment which THAT particular mail >reader detects and decodes automatically. >The only solution is to use another mail agent .... which may or may not >be possible depending on their mail server. Does that make sense? Tell them to use MIME. I haven't been checking the headers, but I don't think they're MIME messages - looks more like something from Windows. These people aren't using something like Word to write their messages are they? Jerry ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3128 bytes Desc: not available URL: From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Aug 28 22:19:45 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:19:45 -0400 Subject: OFF: win.dat (was Re: HW : Name) In-Reply-To: <01BB952B.57144860@dynamic-13.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Craig A. Shipley wrote: > decreased. I do occasionally use my old ELM system, and when I view the = > messages that I've sent from the PC on the UNIX box, I see all the = > "garbage" > that Exchange converts to pretty colors and fonts 'n such. So, for those = > of you that use an older, less sophisticated e-mail package, this is = > where most of your problems are coming from, us bums with sophisticated = > toys! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ I prefer to think of this as "us bums with mailers that operate in brain-dead, arrogant ways." (Elm, Pine, et al handle Internet mail just fine and dandy, but they are not arrogant enough to assume that everyone will be using the same mail reader as themselves and append an application-specific attachment of the message on the off-chance. Maybe Micro$oft think their programs deserve to waste bandwidth with impunity?) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_ (remastered) e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Wed Aug 28 22:48:08 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:48:08 +1000 Subject: was...new arrival...now OFF: UFO In-Reply-To: <199608271816.OAA14224@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Keith A Henderson wrote: > > > out here. Now back to the regularly scheduled UFO talk... > > > > > > Mike. > > > > Personally, I stopped listening to them after MS left... > > Which time? The first time, or just this past year, when he left mid-US tour? > I was lucky enough to see them before this unfortunate event. Pretty good > show...it was just like seeing the 'Strangers in the Night' tour. A bit > nostalgic I suppose, but I wasn't old enough to have seen them in the late > 70's, so it was like travelling in time. :) > > I haven't heard the reunion album though (Walk on Water)...I think there's some > problem getting it now, as the future of the band is uncertain again (I > suppose). > > Keith H. (FAA) > I have got it, and I love it. A couple of songs are classic UFO, and a couple would be called mediocre, but listenable. I don't think the album is available anywhere now. I like all the UFO albums and guitarists, and Phil's voice is most refreshing, esp. in the current vocal scene of "growl" or "screech". Troy From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Wed Aug 28 22:54:02 1996 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:54:02 +1000 Subject: OFF: win.dat Message-ID: Thanks Paul, Mike & Ed et al. Most helpful. BTW, has anyone asked Buck what happened to his Mo after he was finished with it? Museum o' Cult? Kollektor? Hall of Fame? ;-) Pete. ObCassette:"Sladest" - Slade Aahhh, takes me back ('ome)! ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au "One new slave, the same old rock." - Roy Harper From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Aug 28 22:55:53 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:55:53 -0600 Subject: BOC; Clubs Gradually In-Reply-To: <960828195459_467515448@emout17.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Aug 1996 NJDevilXXX at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 96-08-28 19:14:11 EDT, you write: > > << In 1986 (85 in Europe) BOC released the critically acclaimed " Club > Ninja " >> > > LOL!!!!!!!!! > > Mike. > > };^)' > As I said,(just joking!!!) ...Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Aug 29 05:20:54 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:20:54 +0100 Subject: HW : Name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry if this is a re-post, Demon's mail server seem to have eaten some of my mail: In message <32240B2B.1E2E at mic.dundee.ac.uk>, Andy Cobley writes > >He did ! > >Can you tell me about this ritual ? I was there and don't remember >seeing anything of significance. Well, it isn't massively important, I just took it as indicative of "other" interests. (From memory so forgive and correct errors) Quite near the beginning, do you remember him "drawing" pentagrams in the air with his "sword". A ceremonial sword is usually used, I think Nik had one of those plastic Lightsabers you used to be able to get at the end of the '70's. You do this to the four ststions, N,E,S,W and invoke the corresponding angels etc. To someone studying this path, it's a daily thing and has about as much significance in itself as say, a good Tai- Chi session. Its often a precursor, though, to some sustained work. Say a 14 hour gig for instance :) But then, you've all got the video and I'm recalling something from 12 years ago when I was a lot more into that stuff. If anyone cares to watch the vid and he's not doing anything of the sort, please roast my ass! I must get around to getting the vid. That was the best HW show I ever saw. (of around 50) > >Then again I think I may have been on planet 10 at the time, or >being stripped searched at the local police station ! ah! happy days! > >Andy C -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Aug 29 05:14:33 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:14:33 +0100 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. In-Reply-To: <199608282152.QAA00201@deliverator.io.com> Message-ID: In message <199608282152.QAA00201 at deliverator.io.com>, Hawkwind writes >At 10:08 AM 8/28/96 +0100, you wrote: >>Do you have any comment to make on this scurilous and hopefully >>unfounded rumour about Alan, which horribly keeps persisting? > >I can't comment too much on this but I would just say that there were >problems concerned with the recent gig in France which had more to do with >the lighting rigging. This seems to have brought some other things into the >open and the band are dealing with it. As to speculation that Alan is >leaving, has been asked to leave or has fallen out with the band, only time >will tell. > >Yours, > Star_Rats Who said anything about being asked to leave? Oh dear, what a giveaway. Erm, Dave, The band needs Alan. If Alan left now, it would rank as one of the band's great losses. I'm sure the band would survive, after all they've survived the loss of Lemmy, Nik, Bob and Huw, I'm sure Dave will carry on as Hawkwind as he always has, and I'll continue to follow, but I think Alan has contributed enormously to the Hawks current incarnation. It took years to find someone who had that blanga sound, plus he's written some of my ALL-TIME favorite HW tunes, good voice, looks the part and positively radiates affability. For pete's sake, patch it up. We're all very fond of Alan, this'll be devastating to the band and the fans. Sort it out, huh, please? -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Aug 29 07:31:10 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:31:10 +0100 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Aug 29, 96 10:14:33 am Message-ID: > If Alan left now, it would rank as one of the band's great losses. It would unquestionably be the dumbest thing since sacking Lemmy. I can understand a lot of the line-up changes, for example sacking Nik (who was, after all, later sacked by his own band in ICU!). Who the hell could replace Alan effectively? Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From makila at CSC.FI Thu Aug 29 07:56:28 1996 From: makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:56:28 +0300 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:31:10 BST." Message-ID: Carl's message dated: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:31:10 BST > > Who the hell could replace Alan effectively? Lemmy? //niko From strat at ISOFT.CO.ZA Thu Aug 29 16:57:20 1996 From: strat at ISOFT.CO.ZA (Alan Nicholson) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:57:20 -0700 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > > If Alan left now, it would rank as one of the band's great losses. > > It would unquestionably be the dumbest thing since sacking > Lemmy. I can understand a lot of the line-up changes, for example > sacking Nik (who was, after all, later sacked by his own band in ICU!). > Who the hell could replace Alan effectively? > > Cheers, > Carl I could be outa line here but is nobody interested in the potential prospects offered by new blood ? Maybe just maybe alan is becoming a pain in the rear to the band and could well be draging them down ( now dont shoot me down in flames fellas ) From egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US Thu Aug 29 07:52:22 1996 From: egallagh at HARPER.CC.IL.US (Ed Gallagher) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 06:52:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: win.dat (was Re: HW : Name) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Aug 28, 96 10:19:45 pm Message-ID: > > I view the = > > messages that I've sent from the PC on the UNIX box, I see all the = > > "garbage" > > that Exchange converts to pretty colors and fonts 'n such. So, for those = > > of you that use an older, less sophisticated e-mail package, this is = > > where most of your problems are coming from, us bums with sophisticated = > > toys! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ^^^^ > (Elm, Pine, et al handle Internet mail just fine and dandy, but they are > not arrogant enough to assume that everyone will be using the same mail > reader as themselves and append an application-specific attachment of the > message on the off-chance. Maybe Micro$oft think their programs deserve > to waste bandwidth with impunity?) > Although I'm still using elm myself (not much longer I hope), I think the formating features are important, just like modern web sites use graphical extensions over and above the old text sites to convey more information (is a picture really worth 1000 words?) Eventually the tools should allow us to access this augmentation on a more "universal" level. At least the data these packages send is appended and not imbedded within the text (like most word processors) so that the message is readable. Remember: The greatest thing about standards in this industry is that there are so many to choose from! -- "If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" - Albert Einstein Edward Gallagher Internet egallagh at harper.cc.il.us Advanced Technology Specialist William Rainey Harper College Information Systems/User Service Pager (708) 962-4886 1200 W. Algonquin Rd. FAX (847) 925-6036 Palatine, IL 60067 Old Fashion Way (847) 925-6134 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Aug 29 08:10:51 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:10:51 +0100 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. In-Reply-To: <199608291156.OAA11450@voxopm.minedu.fi> from "Niko Makila" at Aug 29, 96 02:56:28 pm Message-ID: > > Who the hell could replace Alan effectively? > > Lemmy? Yesssssss .... OK, let me rephrase: _realistically_ who could replace Alan? ;) Lemmy would be a great thing for Hawkwind, but he'd never do it in a million years ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Thu Aug 29 08:32:24 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:32:24 +0100 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. Message-ID: Jon wrote: > writes > >I can't comment too much on this but I would just say that there were > >problems concerned with the recent gig in France which had more to do with > >the lighting rigging. This seems to have brought some other things into the > >open and the band are dealing with it. As to speculation that Alan is > >leaving, has been asked to leave or has fallen out with the band, only time > >will tell. > Who said anything about being asked to leave? Oh dear, what a giveaway. Steady on Jon. I think (hope!) that *Star_Rats* is merely delineating some possibilities. But then I remember that you are privy to info (well rumours) that the rest of us don't know. So who has asked Alan to leave then? Come on Jon tell us, was it the management or Brock? > always has, and I'll continue to follow, but I think Alan has > contributed enormously to the Hawks current incarnation. It took years > to find someone who had that blanga sound, Yeap, they're on there best form since the early '80's (IMHO of course). In no small part due to Alan, he was a fan before he joined and seems to understand what it is that we like about HW. The band needs MORE Alan not less!!! As an aside, I've been wondering what Alan would do without HW. I mean how do you make a living after 10 years in HW, actually how do you make a living for 10 years IN HW! It'd be a pity to see him go the HLL route and end up playing in pubs to 10 people who only want to hear HW stuff! Maybe he could join Uncle Niks band? Chris From strat at ISOFT.CO.ZA Thu Aug 29 17:29:29 1996 From: strat at ISOFT.CO.ZA (Alan Nicholson) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:29:29 -0700 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. Message-ID: Niko Makila wrote: > > Carl's message dated: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:31:10 BST > > > > Who the hell could replace Alan effectively? > > Lemmy? > > //niko Bugger the ancient history why in whoever's name would lemmy even enter the mind ???? what about some arb but briliant young blood ?? Look at the influence new baby members of famous bands have had on them ( ie Steve Via with Frank Zappa ) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Aug 29 08:55:54 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 08:55:54 -0400 Subject: BOC; Clubs Gradually Message-ID: > << In 1986 (85 in Europe) BOC released the critically acclaimed " Club > Ninja " >> > > LOL!!!!!!!!! > Well, I don't know about "acclaimed", but many of us on BOC-L have certainly been "critical" of it. :-) John From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Thu Aug 29 12:53:21 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:53:21 -0300 Subject: HW:Al's replacement Message-ID: Well....Ron Tree used to play bass in the punk band 'Bastard'. P'haps Mr Tree could fill in for Al. Mind you, this would probably mean that Ron would then retreat behind a bank of synths, never to be seen again :-) On a more serious note, I would add my voice to the "keep Al in HW" campaign. The guy was the only visible life form on stage before Ron joined. Neil. From tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Thu Aug 29 09:34:29 1996 From: tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Tox) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 09:34:29 -0400 Subject: Who after Alan (was Re: HW : Hey Star-rats.) In-Reply-To: <32260BB9.7B29@isoft.co.za> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Alan Nicholson wrote: > > > Who the hell could replace Alan effectively? > > > > Lemmy? > > > > //niko > > Bugger the ancient history why in whoever's name would lemmy even > enter the mind ???? what about some arb but briliant young blood ?? > > Look at the influence new baby members of famous bands have had on > them ( ie Steve Via with Frank Zappa ) > This is why I am perceiving this event as Carl's big chance. -Tox From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Thu Aug 29 10:05:18 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 00:05:18 +1000 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. In-Reply-To: <199608291156.OAA11450@voxopm.minedu.fi> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Niko Makila wrote: > Carl's message dated: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:31:10 BST > > > > Who the hell could replace Alan effectively? > > Lemmy? > > //niko > Joe Bouchard? Troy From mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK Thu Aug 29 15:19:00 1996 From: mdp at TADPOLE.CO.UK (Mike Parkington) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:19:00 +-100 Subject: HW: ten-in-a-pub-HLL Message-ID: Tell me where it is and I'll happily make it 11 >As an aside, I've been wondering what Alan would do without HW. I mean >how do you make a living after 10 years in HW, actually how do you make >a living for 10 years IN HW! It'd be a pity to see him go the HLL route >and end up playing in pubs to 10 people who only want to hear HW stuff! >Maybe he could join Uncle Niks band? From jguizar at EPIX.NET Thu Aug 29 10:43:21 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:43:21 -0400 Subject: OFF: win.dat (was Re: HW : Name) In-Reply-To: <01BB952B.57144860@dynamic-13.async.pyramid.com> Message-ID: In <01BB952B.57144860 at dynamic-13.async.pyramid.com>, on 08/28/96 at 09:52 PM, "Craig A. Shipley" said: >Well, up until about two months ago, I sent all of my mail via my UNIX >system, using ELM as my mailer. Then, after a corporate decision to send >all of us home (YES!) to telecommute, we were also supposed to use a mail >package on our PC's to send and receive our mail, 'cuz the new regiem >dictated that they will send out org charts and such in various Windows >formats (i.e. Word, Excel). So, along came Z-Mail and Exchange (shhh, I >canned Z-Mail and use Exchange exclusively; it does the same thing as >Z-mail and it is a free package with Win 95!) and my number of UNIX/ELM >mail messages has decreased. I do occasionally use my old ELM system, and >when I view the messages that I've sent from the PC on the UNIX box, I >see all the "garbage" that Exchange converts to pretty colors and fonts >'n such. So, for those of you that use an older, less sophisticated >e-mail package, this is where most of your problems are coming from, us >bums with sophisticated toys! So, if you see my e-mail with my old ASCII >signature, that's me on the UNIX platform; otherwise, it's one of these >dern PC's... Don't get me wrong - I'm not bitching (too much). I don't see the attachments here. I'd rather see people using sophisticated toys that support a standard like MIME that is pretty much platform independent than one that requires the user to use Windows (or OS/2, UNIX, or a specific mail program). >'Nuff of this, time to toast some demons! (Final Doom, Plutonia >Experiment is LETHAL!) This isn't meant to be personal and I apologize if it seems that way. I'm just getting some frustrations off my chest - I prefer the RFC way of defining standards rather than have a company trying to make its' own de facto standard thru its market presence. Jerry ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Thu Aug 29 13:03:41 1996 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:03:41 GMT Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. Message-ID: In message ID on 29/08/96, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion L wrote: ~~~ ~~~> If Alan left now, it would rank as one of the band's great losses. ~~~ ~~~ It would unquestionably be the dumbest thing since sacking ~~~Lemmy. I can understand a lot of the line-up changes, for example ~~~sacking Nik (who was, after all, later sacked by his own band in ICU!). ~~~ Who the hell could replace Alan effectively? all sacking is a loss, but I think Harvey Bainbridge could add to his bass, vocals, synth and texts...or let hire Lemmy again...! Olivier Via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Thu Aug 29 13:03:53 1996 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:03:53 GMT Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. Message-ID: In message ID <199608291232.NAA03487 at neptune.shef.ac.uk> on 29/08/96, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion L wrote: ~~~As an aside, I've been wondering what Alan would do without HW. I mean ~~~how do you make a living after 10 years in HW, actually how do you make ~~~a living for 10 years IN HW! It'd be a pity to see him go the HLL route ~~~and end up playing in pubs to 10 people who only want to hear HW stuff! ~~~Maybe he could join Uncle Niks band? I doubt of this last proposal...last time I asked Alan about Nik being back with HW, he grinned and said " never !!!..."; but I propose that Alan takes Lemmy's place in Motorhead when this one retires!!!! Olivier Via HOLY GALACTIC IMPERIUM ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Thu Aug 29 11:13:17 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:13:17 -0500 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. Message-ID: For God's sake, it was a just a phrase!! As far as I know he hasn't been asked to leave, do a handstand or dress up in a pantomine horse costume. Don't read into what isn't there. Star Rats From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 29 16:27:39 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:27:39 BST Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. In-Reply-To: Olivier Boigey's message of Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:03:41 GMT Message-ID: Olivier Boigey writes: > In message ID on 29/08/96, > BOC/Hawkwind Discussion L wrote: > > ~~~ > ~~~> If Alan left now, it would rank as one of the band's great losses. > ~~~ > ~~~ It would unquestionably be the dumbest thing since sacking > ~~~Lemmy. I can understand a lot of the line-up changes, for example > ~~~sacking Nik (who was, after all, later sacked by his own band in ICU!). > ~~~ Who the hell could replace Alan effectively? > > all sacking is a loss, but I think Harvey Bainbridge could add to his bass, > vocals, synth and texts...or let hire Lemmy again...! If Alan goes, I reckon Dave should call Adrian Shaw. FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 29 16:28:46 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:28:46 BST Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. In-Reply-To: Hawkwind's message of Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:13:17 -0500 Message-ID: Hawkwind writes: > For God's sake, it was a just a phrase!! As far as I know he hasn't been > asked to leave, do a handstand or dress up in a pantomine horse costume. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yay! Nik's rejoining! > Don't read into what isn't there. Woops. Sorry :-) > Star Rats FoFP From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Thu Aug 29 11:35:07 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:35:07 +0100 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. Message-ID: Star_rats wrote: > For God's sake, it was a just a phrase!! As far as I know he hasn't been > asked to leave, do a handstand or dress up in a pantomine horse costume. So as what HAS Alan been asked to dress? Handstands in a pantomime horse costume? whilst playing bass? No wonder he's leaving ;-) > Don't read into what isn't there. But unsubstantiated rumours are such fun. Is it true that Ron Tree has quit to join Oasis? And what about Liam (or is it Noel) Gallagher - the one who looks like Paul McCartney circa 1969 and gets to wake up next to Patsy Kensit anyway - replacing him? Oh, yeah :-) right? Chris From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Aug 29 12:32:11 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:32:11 -0400 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. In-Reply-To: <9608291627.aa25571@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: FoFP proposes: > If Alan goes, I reckon Dave should call Adrian Shaw. Wot, and break up The Bevis Frond's touring band!?!?! Them's fightin' words!! :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _Any Gas Faster_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Aug 29 12:48:16 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:48:16 -0400 Subject: So is Dave a miserable bastard? Message-ID: It seems that lots of people leave Hawkwind after falling out with Dave (NOT to prejudge the latest deal with Alan if indeed anything is going to happen). So does Dave get "funny" with people or what ? Enquiringly Martyn From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Aug 29 18:06:36 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 18:06:36 BST Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:28:46 BST Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > Hawkwind writes: > > > For God's sake, it was a just a phrase!! As far as I know he hasn't been > > asked to leave, do a handstand or dress up in a pantomine horse costume. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Yay! Nik's rejoining! Either that or the band is planning a name change from Hawkwind to Twin Peaks. cheers jill > > Don't read into what isn't there. > > Woops. Sorry :-) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Aug 29 14:17:27 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:17:27 +0100 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. In-Reply-To: <32260430.385A@isoft.co.za> from "Alan Nicholson" at Aug 29, 96 01:57:20 pm Message-ID: > I could be outa line here but is nobody interested in the > potential prospects offered by new blood ? Maybe just maybe > alan is becoming a pain in the rear to the band and could well > be draging them down ( now dont shoot me down in flames fellas ) Well, I would find it difficult to believe--obviously a fan can't see inside, but from the outside he's been writing great material, his playing is excellent, he actually is visible on stage ;) and he's fairly friendly. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk look out wenchlings, here http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Aug 29 14:21:34 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:21:34 +0100 Subject: Who after Alan (was Re: HW : Hey Star-rats.) In-Reply-To: from "Tox" at Aug 29, 96 09:34:29 am Message-ID: > > > > Who the hell could replace Alan effectively? > > > > > > Lemmy? > > > > Bugger the ancient history why in whoever's name would lemmy even > > enter the mind ???? what about some arb but briliant young blood ?? > > > This is why I am perceiving this event as Carl's big chance. One more reason for everyone to keep Alan in ;) On the other hand, if I joined Hawkwind I'd already have a bass (unlike Lemmy) which I can actually play (unlike Harvey ;) And I couldn't loose any money touring since I don't have any anyway ;) No, no no ...... ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Aug 29 13:13:27 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 18:13:27 +0100 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. In-Reply-To: <199608291232.NAA03487@neptune.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <199608291232.NAA03487 at neptune.shef.ac.uk>, Chris Bates writes >Steady on Jon. I think (hope!) that *Star_Rats* is merely delineating >some possibilities. OK and fair enough. Apology for jumping the gun, it's the whole tone of Dale's post is that something *is* in the wind (or out of the 'wind). Star Rats> >I can't comment too much on this This implies to me that there's something going down. >but I would just say that there were >problems concerned with the recent gig in France which had more to do >with the lighting rigging. This seems to have brought some other things >into the open and the band are dealing with it. As to speculation that >Alan is leaving, has been asked to leave or has fallen out with the >band, only time will tell. > That kinda confirmed it for me. Sorry if I'm breaking protocol or acting out of line. Plaese write me off as a sad fan-boy who just wants to see his favorite bass-player stay in his favorite band. I don't mean to stir the shit, I just want to let the band know how I/we feel. Sorry, if I've trodden on any toes. And PUH-LEEASE tell me I've got it all wrong! >But then I remember that you are privy to info >(well rumours) that the rest of us don't know. They are rumours. I've never said it was fact. > >Yeap, they're on there best form since the early '80's (IMHO of course). >In no small part due to Alan, he was a fan before he joined and seems >to understand what it is that we like about HW. Exactly. >The band needs MORE >Alan not less!!! Too right, mate! -- Jon Browne From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Aug 29 15:14:48 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:14:48 -0400 Subject: HW: Bad Rumor In-Reply-To: <9608281817.aa21796@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Aug 28, 96 06:17:32 pm Message-ID: OK folks... Ya'll should check out the recently updated Hawkwind web site (the 'official' one). Not only is Part one of the Brock Q&A on-line, but there's an announcement to start posting your questions for Alan Davey! So, should the first one be... "Alan, are you still *in* the band??" Just wondering.....Keith H. (FAA) PS. BTW, I haven't yet finished reading all of Brock's responses (most are rather brief...a man of few words I guess). But he did have a rather interesting response to the question of HW Unplugged!! Guess it confirms the rumours of such a thing happening are completely untrue. From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Thu Aug 29 16:49:54 1996 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:49:54 -0800 Subject: HW: Captured Rotation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Andrew Gilham wrote: > And Ron's presence on three tracks is welcome, too - not just to give the > album some more variety (I think it would have got a little samey without), > but because he's getting a lot better. He's much more restrained than he was > on _Alien 4_, and he's actually _singing_ instead of just making vocal noises. I hesitate to go over this ground again, but I must say that Ron's vocals on Alien 4 were truly awful. The first time I played "Beam Me Up" for my friends, they all burst out laughing. Juvenile in the extreme: It's a vision of every 13-year-old Trekkie's wet dream: to be beamed up to the Enterprise or some such starship. It is really the low point of the album. Great music, though. -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From stayer at PI.NET Wed Aug 28 21:05:57 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:05:57 PDT Subject: OFF: UFO / Grand Prix Message-ID: All this talk about UFO reminds me of another band with circular connections. I am talking about Grand Prix. Does anyone know them? Grand Prix's (second) singer, McAuley, joined the Michael Schenker Group, so MSG became McAuley Schenker Group. Grand Prix's keyboard player, Phil Lanzon, joined UFO. This last thing I was told, I am not sure. Coincidence? Jerry From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu Aug 29 17:33:53 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:33:53 -0400 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. Message-ID: > >Carl's message dated: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:31:10 BST >> >> Who the hell could replace Alan effectively? > >Lemmy? > > //niko > > Wishful thinking, but I doubt if he would have anything to do with the whole thing at this point anyway. The two bands are way too different in styles anymore. Is the supposed departure of Alan possibly due to the fact he wants input into the band's music, and Brock wants to be strctly Brock's music with interchangable musicians filling in, playing what Brock wants them to play? I hope not. Duane From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu Aug 29 17:41:42 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 17:41:42 -0400 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. Message-ID: Chris states: > >As an aside, I've been wondering what Alan would do without HW. I mean >how do you make a living after 10 years in HW, actually how do you make >a living for 10 years IN HW! It'd be a pity to see him go the HLL route >and end up playing in pubs to 10 people who only want to hear HW stuff! >Maybe he could join Uncle Niks band? > > Hmmmm, now lets see.... Dave Brock Nik Turner Richard Chadwick Del Detmar Ron Tree Simon House (unknown bassist) Alan Davey Now who gets to say they are Hawkwind? Duane From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 30 02:11:25 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 02:11:25 BST Subject: HW: Rumours of wars In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:10:51 +0100 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > Who the hell could replace Alan effectively? > > > > Lemmy? > > Yesssssss .... > OK, let me rephrase: _realistically_ who could replace Alan? ;) Yeah - I have to agree with this. If Alan left I have a sad feeling that this would be the end of Hawkwind the band. From what I've heard, both Alan and Richard have been an essential influence and driving force behind the band's continuing to do tour gigs. Alan has been totally committed to Hawkwind for longer even than he has been playing with the band and his departure would leave a void, not just of his bass playing, but of his total commitment towards a lifestyle (which is what playing full-time with a band must be) that would be impossible to fill. He seems to be a really nice, decent, calm, honest sort of guy. I can't imagine what has gone wrong but I fervently hope that whatever it is can be sorted out. jill obfireworks: Edinburgh Festival! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk "Ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars" St. Matt 24.6 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Aug 30 08:47:15 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Matthew Wilcox) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 23:47:15 +1100 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. Message-ID: Chris Bates wrote: > > Star_rats wrote: > > > For God's sake, it was a just a phrase!! As far as I know he hasn't been > > asked to leave, do a handstand or dress up in a pantomine horse costume. > > So as what HAS Alan been asked to dress? Handstands in a pantomime > horse costume? whilst playing bass? No wonder he's leaving ;-) > > > Don't read into what isn't there. > > But unsubstantiated rumours are such fun. Is it true that Ron Tree > has quit to join Oasis? And what about Liam (or is it Noel) Gallagher > - the one who looks like Paul McCartney circa 1969 and gets to wake up > next to Patsy Kensit anyway - replacing him? > > Oh, yeah :-) right? > > Chris Actualy, I heard on the grapevine that not only Elvis, but Bob Calvert are going to re-join the band! Imagine Silver Machine in a silver jumpsuit?... From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Aug 30 00:45:59 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 23:45:59 -0500 Subject: HW : Name Message-ID: On 27-AUG-1996 04:41:51.7 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >In message <01I8R4KH3H6A8YASTS at delphi.com>, HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes >>Definitely Nik. That is the schnozz that helped give HW their name... >I find it hard to beieve that Hawkwind got their name from Nik's nose >and the fact that he farted a lot. For a start weren't they called >Hawkwind before Nik joined? I thought he was with "The Famous Cure" since '67?? >I've always thought it was a referece to the Aeon of Horus, the Hawk- >headed God as postulated by Crowley among others. (Ya know, the "Wind Of >Change" etc.) I thought Nik's original Sphynx work bore this out to a >degree. I was going to ask Dave in the Cyber-Interview but was too busy >"holding the centre" at the time! >Any thoughts? >-- >Jon Browne I read two different scenarios: #1: Nik's nose and flatulance and... #2: Moorcock's "Hawkmoon" (Eternal Champion) character and Nik's flatulance Chuck `[1;30;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Aug 30 00:00:36 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 06:00:36 +0200 Subject: OFF: UFO / Grand Prix Message-ID: >All this talk about UFO reminds me of another band with circular connections. >I am talking about Grand Prix. Does anyone know them? > >Grand Prix's (second) singer, McAuley, joined the Michael Schenker Group, so >MSG became McAuley Schenker Group. >Grand Prix's keyboard player, Phil Lanzon, joined UFO. This last thing I was >told, I am not sure. Coincidence? no, uriah heep - Lanzon has been in heep since _live in Moscow_ 1988 - wasn't bernie shaw (also heep) from Grand Prix too? >Jerry \\joe From southend at SERV.NET Fri Aug 30 02:26:34 1996 From: southend at SERV.NET (Steve Burton) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 23:26:34 -0700 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. Message-ID: At 12:32 PM 8/29/96 -0400, you wrote: >FoFP proposes: > >> If Alan goes, I reckon Dave should call Adrian Shaw. > >Wot, and break up The Bevis Frond's touring band!?!?! Them's fightin' >words!! :-) Dave said it, I beleive it, that settles it! From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Aug 30 04:00:43 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:00:43 +0200 Subject: HW : was Hey Star-rats.now:pissing Lemmy off Message-ID: Olivier Boigey wrote: > I doubt of this last proposal...last time I asked Alan about Nik being back > with HW, he grinned and said " never !!!..."; but I propose that Alan takes > Lemmy's place in Motorhead when this one retires!!!! > Heh, when I foolhardy asked Lemmy, while he was playing pinball at a show in NJ a couple of years ago, if he ever thought about playing with Hawkwind again, he just grunted and turned away and resumed the game, obviously pissed off... (not that our brief conversation was much....: (At this point I'm in awe of just standing near the guy, and I'm wearing a HW shirt, being at a total loss of what to say) Me: "Uh...(wow).. hey, Motorhead are the coolest rock 'n' roll band ever!" Lemmy: "We may not be the coolest, but we _are_ the bloody _greatest_ rock'n'roll band ever!" Me: "Yeah! Uh... So, you ever hang out with or thought of playing with Hawkwind again?" Lemmy: "Grrrnblrrunt..." So, I retreated before I could say anything else stupid! I can imagine him just thinking "Stupid fucking arsehole..." So I later had my girlfriend at the time go over to get an autograph from him.... (she later _smooched_ (!) with Sebastian Bach of Skid Row (ugh), her teenage idol, at the bar briefly (he was a surprise guest on stage)... blew my mind and kinda bothered me...) A rather strange night that was. Christian From acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK Fri Aug 30 06:27:30 1996 From: acobley at MIC.DUNDEE.AC.UK (Andy Cobley) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 10:27:30 +0000 Subject: Off: Contacting Moorcock Message-ID: Anyone have any idea how to get a note to Mike Moorcock ? Snail mail will do, any ideas of the chance of a reply to anything sent to him ? Andy C -- Javap-uk, a uk mailbase for Java programmers To join javap-uk send the command: Join javap-uk firstname(s) lastname mailbase at mailbase.ac.uk From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 30 11:07:40 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:07:40 BST Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Thu, 29 Aug 1996 18:06:36 BST Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > M Holmes writes: > > > Hawkwind writes: > > > > > For God's sake, it was a just a phrase!! As far as I know he hasn't been > > > asked to leave, do a handstand or dress up in a pantomine horse costume. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > Yay! Nik's rejoining! > > > Either that or the band is planning a name change from Hawkwind to Twin > Peaks. That's Samantha Fox you're thinking of isn't it? ;-) FoFP From tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU Fri Aug 30 07:38:48 1996 From: tlh at RUBENS.ITS.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Troy Harris) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 21:38:48 +1000 Subject: Off: Contacting Moorcock In-Reply-To: <3226B402.263B@mic.dundee.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Andy Cobley wrote: > Anyone have any idea how to get a note to Mike Moorcock ? > Snail mail will do, any ideas of the chance of a reply > to anything sent to him ? > > > Andy C I asked Eric Bloom, and he said that you should write to his publishers. There is a Moorcock nut online who might know, but I can't find his address right now. Troy ObCD- Jethro Tull, Stormwatch. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Aug 30 08:05:35 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:05:35 +0100 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. In-Reply-To: <3226E2D3.5E0C@student.uq.edu.au> from "Matthew Wilcox" at Aug 30, 96 11:47:15 pm Message-ID: > Actualy, I heard on the grapevine that not only Elvis, but Bob Calvert > are going to re-join the band! Leading experts believe Elvis _is_ Bob Calvert! And vice versa! And versa vice! Consider early tapes like "You Ain't Nothing But A Steppenwolf", "Heart Break High Rise", and "Don't Step on My Pair of Broken Shades Lying on the Tarmac"! Can there be a question!? Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From mumford at EUNET.NO Fri Aug 30 08:39:23 1996 From: mumford at EUNET.NO (Christian Mumford) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:39:23 +0200 Subject: HW : Name Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > > I bloody well bet there's a bit more significance to it than Nose-fart, Well, a friend of mine who had never heard of Hawkwind before he met me, jokingly stated once that my favorite band was "'Break Wind of Hawk' or something", a statement which I now find to be somewhat insightful and profound in light of recent discussion.... Christian From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Fri Aug 30 09:03:42 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 14:03:42 +0100 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. Message-ID: Carl wrote: > Leading experts believe Elvis _is_ Bob Calvert! And vice versa! > And versa vice! Consider early tapes like "You Ain't Nothing But > A Steppenwolf", "Heart Break High Rise", and "Don't Step on My > Pair of Broken Shades Lying on the Tarmac"! > > Can there be a question!? Yes. What are you on Carl? Oh, and can I have some please!!!! Chris From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Fri Aug 30 16:45:56 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 22:45:56 +0200 Subject: OFF: Japanese Media Message-ID: Hi! Me and a couple of classmates are taking a course in international media politics and right now are we studying Japanese Media... I could use some help finding websites etc about 1 Their taste in programming (very very informative information and silly game shows...) 2 Hypergraphics 3 Comic books (incl. Manga) 4 Japanese Music (they are trying to conquer Asia... how...) 5 The Kodak vs Fuji fight. Section 301. 6 Public Relations in Japan. Please send comments, suggestions etc to my personal e-mail address: mpj95wid at mc.hik.se (...and why am I using the BOC-L for this? Well, it could have something to do with Godzilla... ;-) tjaba -Daniel . "Jag har en papegoja -s? jag best?mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Fri Aug 30 08:28:00 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 08:28:00 -0400 Subject: HW: well, really High Tide Message-ID: I was wondering if anyone knew what either Tony Hill or Pete Pavli are up to these days. I know Tony recorded another album back in 1990 but was wondering if he had any plans to do anything soon. Thanks Chris From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Fri Aug 30 22:34:38 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Matthew Wilcox) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 13:34:38 +1100 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > > Actualy, I heard on the grapevine that not only Elvis, but Bob Calvert > > are going to re-join the band! > > Leading experts believe Elvis _is_ Bob Calvert! And vice versa! > And versa vice! Consider early tapes like "You Ain't Nothing But > A Steppenwolf", "Heart Break High Rise", and "Don't Step on My > Pair of Broken Shades Lying on the Tarmac"! > > Can there be a question!? > > Cheers, > Carl > > ************************************************************************ > Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett > cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" > http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * > Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump > ************************************************************************ So I guess Nik must be in on the whole conspiracy with "Bones of Elvis", hmmmm, the plot thickens.... From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Aug 30 17:31:27 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:31:27 BST Subject: HW : Name In-Reply-To: HERBERT119@delphi.com's message of Thu, 29 Aug 1996 23:45:59 -0500 Message-ID: HERBERT119 at delphi.com writes: > On 27-AUG-1996 04:41:51.7 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 > >In message <01I8R4KH3H6A8YASTS at delphi.com>, HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes > >>Definitely Nik. That is the schnozz that helped give HW their name... > >I find it hard to beieve that Hawkwind got their name from Nik's nose > >and the fact that he farted a lot. For a start weren't they called > >Hawkwind before Nik joined? > > I thought he was with "The Famous Cure" since '67?? I'll need to check this but I think there was Dharma Blues and then 'Famous Cure' and then Nik joined from 'Mobile Freakout'. At some point there was also 'Tent 67' which happened in Holland, I think, when everyone was in the same place at around the same time in a large tent. The details are a bit hazy now! After that there was Group X and then Hawkwind Zoo. It's no more than a suspicion but I think that back in '67 Dave and the others were a deal more interested in playing music and having a good time than investigating esoteric writings - but I could be way wrong on this and certainly Nik's early Sphynx is from that period. I've always thought of Bob Calvert as being the first person interested in that kind of thing - but then didn't he and Nik grow up in the same town? > I read two different scenarios: > > #1: Nik's nose and flatulance and... > #2: Moorcock's "Hawkmoon" (Eternal Champion) character I'm sure I remember Moorcock himself denying this. Although he dedicates one of his Hawkmoon books to Dave Brock (or was it Hawkwind?) he said it was a later edition/printing and long after the band was established. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU Sat Aug 31 00:07:58 1996 From: s333271 at STUDENT.UQ.EDU.AU (Matthew Wilcox) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 15:07:58 +1100 Subject: HW : Underground Zero Message-ID: Does anyone out there in that wide wide world (of sports) know how one would go about getting hold of any "Underground Zero" recordings, if there is any? That is aside from the stuff on the "Friends and Relations" albums. I'd be ever so happy if anyone could help me out of this (deep) fix that I'm in... Thanks. - SparrowBreeze Fan #853489 From Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM Fri Aug 30 13:22:33 1996 From: Andy_Gilham at MSN.COM (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:22:33 UT Subject: HW : Name Message-ID: Jill says >I've always >thought of Bob Calvert as being the first person interested in that kind >of thing - but then didn't he and Nik grow up in the same town? Margate, wasn't it? _Jewel in the Skull_, the first Hawkmoon, was published in '67 so that's logistically possible, but like you I recall a MM denial. That back-to-nature camp thingy in America was named after Hawkwind, wasn't it, rather than sharing a common origin or anything? - Andy ObCD: Amon Duul II - _Kobe (Reconstructions)_ From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Aug 30 13:35:10 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:35:10 +0200 Subject: HW : Underground Zero Message-ID: At 15:07 1996-08-31 +1100, you wrote: >Does anyone out there in that wide wide world (of sports) know how one >would go about getting hold of any "Underground Zero" recordings, if >there is any? That is aside from the stuff on the "Friends and >Relations" albums. > I'd be ever so happy if anyone could help me out of this (deep) fix >that I'm in... > Thanks. this very summer I was walking alone in the hot & sunny city of Stockholm. then came the dreadful thunder & rainstorm by, and almost drowned the city at once. there was only one thing to do; get into the nearest store. the good thing: it happened to be a store for used vinyl (drool, drool...) the bad thing: it was a punk and hard core store. well, the rain continued heavily, and the only thing to do was to dive into the bins. it was boring. i didn't recognize any artists, any names - but a very few... the rain continued, and now it was only the junk bins left - and there, for the equivalent of a single pound I found it: Through the Looking Glass / Underground Zero / on the wellknown label Flicknife BLUNT (!?) 038 (recorded live at Alice in Wonderland) tracklist: atomchild / genocide / robot (sorry, no cover) / between worlds / the elite this vinyl rests now in my Friends & Relation bin, together with the newly added Living on Borrowed Time / Diamond Head... ...and the rain had passed by... - \\joe From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Aug 30 13:43:26 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:43:26 +0100 Subject: HW : Underground Zero In-Reply-To: <3227BA9E.725B@student.uq.edu.au> from "Matthew Wilcox" at Aug 31, 96 03:07:58 pm Message-ID: > Does anyone out there in that wide wide world (of sports) know how one > would go about getting hold of any "Underground Zero" recordings, if > there is any? That is aside from the stuff on the "Friends and > Relations" albums. I think there was an LP--Brian Tawn was into the band, which is largely why the made and appearance on F&R, I think. I really liked that "Vera Gemini" track (or whatever it was called!) but have never run into any more from them than the F&R tracks. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************ Carl Edlund Anderson * "Lever vi inte i ett cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk * fritt land kanske?" http://wjh-www.harvard.edu/~canders/hem.html * Dept. of ASNAC Studies, Cambridge U. * -- Pippi Langstrump ************************************************************************ From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Fri Aug 30 14:29:37 1996 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Mike Wright) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:29:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Original SR release Message-ID: I recently managed to find a mint condition Space Ritual poster sleeve in a charity shop for the very princely sum of ten pounds, the records seem never to been played and the cover is in awfully good nick. But enough of the bragging at my good luck, I now get to the point of this message, despite everything else appearing pukkah the inner sleeves are plain paper rather than the orance/yellow patterned ones. What I wish to know form those more knowledgeable than me is was SR released with a poster sleeve and ordinary paper inners, or has someone (for strange and arcane reasons) swapped them? thanks Mike w From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Aug 30 13:24:08 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:24:08 +0100 Subject: Off: Contacting Moorcock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Troy Harris writes > > I asked Eric Bloom, and he said that you should write to his >publishers. There is a Moorcock nut online who might know, but I can't >find his address right now. > > Troy Post to Rick Klaw from MoJo Press. I don't know his e-mail but if you ask at alt.books.moorcock you should get a reply pretty quickly. -- Jon Browne From Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM Fri Aug 30 18:23:09 1996 From: Star_rats at HAWKWIND.COM (Hawkwind) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:23:09 -0500 Subject: HW: Original SR release Message-ID: At 07:29 PM 8/30/96 +0100, you wrote: >I recently managed to find a mint condition Space Ritual poster sleeve in >a charity shop for the very princely sum of ten pounds, the records seem >never to been played and the cover is in awfully good nick. But enough of >the bragging at my good luck, I now get to the point of this message, >despite everything else appearing pukkah the inner sleeves are plain paper >rather than the orance/yellow patterned ones. What I wish to know form >those more knowledgeable than me is was SR released with a poster sleeve >and ordinary paper inners, or has someone (for strange and arcane >reasons) swapped them? Someone has probably swapped them, which is a real shame. Star_Rats From skarsol at EROLS.COM Fri Aug 30 15:26:56 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:26:56 +0000 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. Message-ID: Duane Hoyt wrote: > > > > >Carl's message dated: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 12:31:10 BST > >> > >> Who the hell could replace Alan effectively? > > > >Lemmy? > > > > //niko > > > > > Wishful thinking, but I doubt if he would have anything to do with the > whole thing at this point anyway. The two bands are way too different > in styles anymore. Is the supposed departure of Alan possibly due to the > fact he wants input into the band's music, and Brock wants to be > strctly Brock's music with interchangable musicians filling in, playing > what Brock wants them to play? I hope not. > > Duane i think alans input has been tremendous,and from conversations with him he seems well satisfied as well. i think it was only a careless rumor(not on yer part jon),and should be ignored until a name is attached to it. i cant tell u how many times ive heard the phrase 'very reliable source' attached to utter nonsense. it seems to me that plenty of time has passed,and that if there was a shred of truth to it,it would have been confirmed by now. so perhaps the best thing would be to let this thread die until some- thing substantial appears.... rj From skarsol at EROLS.COM Fri Aug 30 15:43:44 1996 From: skarsol at EROLS.COM (SKARSOL) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:43:44 +0000 Subject: HW: Rumours of wars Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: If Alan left I have a sad feeling > that this would be the end of Hawkwind the band. From what I've heard, > both Alan and Richard have been an essential influence and driving force > behind the band's continuing to do tour gigs. Alan has been totally > committed to Hawkwind for longer even than he has been playing with > the band and his departure would leave a void, not just of his bass > playing, but of his total commitment towards a lifestyle (which is > what playing full-time with a band must be) that would be impossible > to fill. > > He seems to be a really nice, decent, calm, honest sort of guy. I can't > imagine what has gone wrong but I fervently hope that whatever it is can > be sorted out. > > jill hi jill!:) firstly,i think its a load of crap about alan's leaving. were it true,ron tree would most likely be the bassist. but its not.(fingers crossed) as for alan's dedication to the band: alan practically learned to play bass for hawkwind,and certainly because of hawkwind. this i heard directly from him on tour. alan bought doremi,and gave it a spin.he was dazzled by the bass lines in one of the tunes(cant remember which).at this time he didnt know what the insrument was called. he rushed down to his local music store(instruments),with a recording of the song, and to the proprietor excitedly asked "what's that instrument there?" the guy told him it was called a bass guitar,and that was when alan decided to play bass.alan was going to school to learn woodcarving,in which he did earn a degree, but gave it up to play bass.his father was fit to be tied,but had a change of heart on seeing his success with hw. BTW- i met his family in ipswitch.all very nice people,and obviously excited to see alan play. i was in a sort of altered state (use yer imagination,thanks trevor),and this short stocky blond guy walks up to me and blew what was left of my mind by asking me if i really came all the way from usa to see hw.my wife karyn came to the rescue and told me that this was duffy,alan's younger brother,who she'd already met. ahh well,i'll sign off b4 i get even more boring. obcd/gongs 25th birthday live discs. outstanding! From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Fri Aug 30 19:49:21 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (simon) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:49:21 +0100 Subject: HW : Name In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reply to Andrew Gilham about Re: HW : Name >_Jewel in the Skull_, the first Hawkmoon, was published in '67 so that's >logistically possible, but like you I recall a MM denial. It's interesting that people recall MM denying this as I believe one of the interviews on my web pages has Mike saying that it did come from Hawkmoon which when I read it I thought odd as I had always heard the Nik/flatulance version. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk village.vossnet.co.uk/s/sihalley/simain.html From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Fri Aug 30 19:49:17 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (simon) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:49:17 +0100 Subject: HW : Underground Zero In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reply to Carl E. Anderson about Re: HW : Underground Zero >> Does anyone out there in that wide wide world (of sports) know how one >> would go about getting hold of any "Underground Zero" recordings, if >> there is any? That is aside from the stuff on the "Friends and >> Relations" albums. > I think there was an LP--Brian Tawn was into the band, which >is largely why the made and appearance on F&R, I think. I really liked >that "Vera Gemini" track (or whatever it was called!) but have never >run into any more from them than the F&R tracks. >Cheers, >Carl They released a live cassette album featuring Nik, an album and a mini album that I know of and have. I don't know of anything else. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From stayer at PI.NET Fri Aug 30 20:55:42 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:55:42 PDT Subject: OFF: UFO / Grand Prix Message-ID: >no, uriah heep - Lanzon has been in heep since _live in Moscow_ 1988 - >wasn't bernie shaw (also heep) from Grand Prix too? Oh yeah, sorry. Uriah Heep of course. Yes, Bernie Shaw was the singer on the first Grand Prix album. Are the GP albums available on CD? Jerry From gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU Fri Aug 30 20:46:13 1996 From: gvacano at BEAVER.MBB.WESLEYAN.EDU (Guido Vacano) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 20:46:13 -0400 Subject: OFF: win.dat (was Re: HW : Name) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Aug 28, 96 10:19:45 pm Message-ID: Paul says-- > > that Exchange converts to pretty colors and fonts 'n such. So, for those = > > of you that use an older, less sophisticated e-mail package, this is = > > where most of your problems are coming from, us bums with sophisticated = > > toys! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ^^^^ > I prefer to think of this as "us bums with mailers that operate in > brain-dead, arrogant ways." Amen! Life is screwy enough without having to deal with "win.dats" and "ms/tnef" nonsense. And the lines on Craig's "sophisticated" (no offense, Craig!) email (see the low tech > > above) wouldn't wrap properly on my screen. I couldn't read half of it. > (Elm, Pine, et al handle Internet mail just fine and dandy, but they are > not arrogant enough to assume that everyone will be using the same mail > reader as themselves and append an application-specific attachment of the > message on the off-chance. Maybe Micro$oft think their programs deserve > to waste bandwidth with impunity?) Would that surprise you? :-P :-) Guido (who, despite his heathen ways, believes in the antichrist. His name is Bill Gates! :-) ). -- If nothing is done, then all will be well. -- Lao Tse From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Fri Aug 30 22:24:43 1996 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:24:43 -0700 Subject: HW : Name In-Reply-To: <9608301731.aa27481@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Aug 30, 96 05:31:27 pm Message-ID: Jill writes: > I'm sure I remember Moorcock himself denying this. Although he > dedicates one of his Hawkmoon books to Dave Brock (or was it Hawkwind?) > he said it was a later edition/printing and long after the band was > established. In the inside front cover of the box from the Griffin 25 Years On box set there's some stuff written by Michael Moorcock. In reference to when he first met Nik and Dave: One of them told me how the band's name was derived from the first part of my Hawkmoon books and Nik's infamous flatulance. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I gnome at teleport.com "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." http://www.teleport.com/~gnome -P.K. Dick From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Aug 31 00:49:08 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 06:49:08 +0200 Subject: HW: Original SR release/8-Track Message-ID: >>I recently managed to find a mint condition Space Ritual poster sleeve in >>a charity shop for the very princely sum of ten pounds, the records seem >>never to been played and the cover is in awfully good nick. But enough of >>the bragging at my good luck, I now get to the point of this message, >>despite everything else appearing pukkah the inner sleeves are plain paper >>rather than the orance/yellow patterned ones. What I wish to know form >>those more knowledgeable than me is was SR released with a poster sleeve >>and ordinary paper inners, or has someone (for strange and arcane >>reasons) swapped them? > > >Someone has probably swapped them, which is a real shame. > >Star_Rats don't think so - I've owned three copies of the poster sleeve Space Ritual thru the years - but only one had the psychedelic red/yellow inner sleeve. The other two has a plain white inner sleeve (one of these now is happy in a Melbourne suburb kollektion) It's more likely the first bulk/bulks came with the red/yellow inner sleeve - but this is of course my own United Artists Theory. back cover says it was "also released as a 8-Track Cartridge" :0) anyone seen this? anyone have this for sale/trade? anyone remembering which tracks that was 'ka-chunk remixed'? anyone knows other 8-track releases beside this and _Warriors..._ \\joe\back to basic From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Aug 31 05:05:09 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:05:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Original SR release In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Mike Wright writes > What I wish to know form >those more knowledgeable than me is was SR released with a poster sleeve >and ordinary paper inners, or has someone (for strange and arcane >reasons) swapped them? I've only seen it with the orange inners, myself. -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Aug 31 07:39:40 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 12:39:40 +0100 Subject: the bass ritual In-Reply-To: <32274470.642@erols.com> from "SKARSOL" at Aug 30, 96 07:43:44 pm Message-ID: > this i heard directly from him on tour. > alan bought doremi,and gave it a spin.he was dazzled by the bass lines in one of the > tunes(cant remember which).at this time he didnt know what the insrument was called. > he rushed down to his local music store(instruments),with a recording of the song, > and to the proprietor excitedly asked "what's that instrument there?" > the guy told him it was called a bass guitar,and that was when alan decided to play > bass. My guess for the track in question is probably "Time We Left". The bass on that is amazing--it certainly inspires me! That alone catapults the Doremi version of the song well beyond the Space Ritual version and IMO its worth having the remastered version for that track _alone_ (the others are great too, but even if it was just that .... :) Cheers, Carl From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Aug 31 10:02:05 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 07:02:05 -0700 Subject: HW: Original SR release/8-Track Message-ID: Yo >back cover says it was "also released as a 8-Track Cartridge" :0) >anyone seen this? The last time I saw this was 1974; my next door neighbor handed it to me and said "Shake it". It made a strange sound. "What's this?" "100 hits of 4 way Windopane". Twas a magical listening experience to be sure... Wylie From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sat Aug 31 14:18:50 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 14:18:50 -0400 Subject: HW: Original SR release Message-ID: I think mine had regular plain paper inner sleeves. I don't remember orange/yellow patterned ones. I do remember that if you take the poster sleeve and hold it in front of a lamp, you can superimpose the images of the inside and the outside. The "foetus in space" is particularly good Martyn From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Sat Aug 31 20:21:00 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon Hundley) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 20:21:00 BST-1 Subject: HW : Underground Zero Message-ID: > that "Vera Gemini" track (or whatever it was called!) Uh-oh. I bet there are a few responses telling you that this was BOC! :) The name that you're after is "Canes Venatici". Close. :) Gordon. From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Sat Aug 31 20:21:00 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon Hundley) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 20:21:00 BST-1 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. Message-ID: > If Alan goes, I reckon Dave should call Adrian Shaw. Why, is Adrian a psychiatrist these days? Gordon. From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Aug 31 16:03:51 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 22:03:51 +0200 Subject: HW: Silver Machine/the other comp. Message-ID: there's another hw compilation out entitled _Silver Machine_ ------------------------------------------------- this said a friend about this item: It has an old bandphoto on the cover (all of them sitting on benches with their feet on a table in the middle). It's on the Legend Label No. WZ 90144. 10 Tracks on it: Hurry on sundown, Dreaming, Master of the Universe, In the egg, Orgone Accumulator, Sonic Attack, Silver Machine. (yes, I can also count to seven - \j) ------------------------------------------------- this is Adrian Parr's words from Hawkeye 4: Legacy 12/1994 - CD only Perhaps the only reason to even bother listing this is so that people won't waste their money on yet another, previously available music on this worhless compilation release, the material taken from _In the Beginning_ album and countless other compilation that has the same material. ------------------------------------------------- anyone having it? anyone who want to sell or trade this piece of "worthless compilation release"? \\joe From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sat Aug 31 16:45:46 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:45:46 -0400 Subject: HW: Original SR release/8-Track Message-ID: > >Yo >>back cover says it was "also released as a 8-Track Cartridge" :0) >>anyone seen this? > > The last time I saw this was 1974; my next door neighbor handed it to >me and said "Shake it". It made a strange sound. > >"What's this?" > >"100 hits of 4 way Windopane". > > Twas a magical listening experience to be sure... > > >Wylie > > Hey Wylie, was this guys name Randy? I knew a guy back then with the 8-track, and he was of the nature to say something along them lines. I remember getting one of those for a b'day present for my 17th b'day. ( not the 8-track ) Duane From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Aug 31 22:25:48 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 22:25:48 -0400 Subject: HW: Rumours of wars Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-29 21:17:18 EDT, you write: >He seems to be a really nice, decent, calm, honest sort of guy. I can't >imagine what has gone wrong but I fervently hope that whatever it is can >be sorted out. > > Yep, I agree, aside from being an intregal part of the HW sound, Allan is a gentleman. As far as speculating on what went wrong, who can tell what goes on behind closed doors between friends and business partners, when your friend happens to be in business with you (and I'm sure Alan and Dave are real close) all sorts of crazy things can happen because there is personal aspect to the business relationship that tends to make small things seem bigger then they are. Sure hope this can be resolved with Alan remaining in the band. It all seems quite sad, but this is in fact Hawkwind. regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Aug 31 22:30:16 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 22:30:16 -0400 Subject: HW : Hey Star-rats. Message-ID: In a message dated 96-08-30 19:32:58 EDT, you write: >t seems to me that plenty of time has passed,and that if there was a >shred of truth to it,it would have been confirmed by now. >so perhaps the best thing would be to let this thread die until some- >thing substantial appears.... rj > > here here bill From bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM Tue Aug 27 09:58:00 1996 From: bishop.garden at FALKOPING.MAIL.TELIA.COM (Kenneth Magnusson) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 13:58:00 +0000 Subject: HW/NIK: Sting etc Message-ID: Hi, Concerning Nuclear waste, Nik, Sting, check this page: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/evolving/nuclear.htm Kenneth -- Bishop Garden Records Box 747 521 22 Falkoping SWEDEN Tel +46 (0)515 823 08 bishop.garden at falkoping.mail.telia.com The Moor http://www3.tripnet.se/~hmm/moor/ This message was transmitted from a MicroSoft-free device.