From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon Apr 1 15:49:11 1996 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:49:11 EST Subject: HW: Assembled trivia In-Reply-To: <960331120327_502246585@mail04>; from "Andy Gilham" at Apr 1, 96 12:03:28 pm Message-ID: > > *It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous* > > Title first appeared in the sleeve notes to *Space Ritual*. Believed to be a > quotation from CP Snow. Or maybe: "Every new technology all but destroys the > society into which it is introduced - it is the business of the future to be > dangerous" - David Jones says: "I thought it was Alfred North Whitehead, the > mathematician, but I will have to search." The Unix o/s fortune program used to have :- Hawkwind - It is the Business of the future to be dangerous. regards Marty From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Apr 1 01:12:35 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 01:12:35 -0500 Subject: HW: PXR5 movie Message-ID: >In a message dated 96-03-28 20:32:39 EST, you write: > >i recall that this world was a stationary planet in which one side was in >perpetual darkness,and one was in constant sunlight.shadowjack was a hybrid >of the two races >that lived there,thus having powers and abilities beyond those possessed by >either. Well.... Shadowjack was of the dark side, that ruled by magic. The light side was ruled by technology, and there was a twilight region with some overlap. What was unique about him, apart from his abilities, was his utilization of technological means to achieve certain ends (he had been searching for a lost artifact, and assumed a "light side" identity to pose as a university professor, and used a computer to perform a study of available data on locating this artifact. >i just read that roger zelazny passed away last year. rj Yeah. There is a Roger Zelazny page, where you can get more info, at http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~npt4g/zelazny/zelazny.html I heard a rumor that his son may continue the Amber series... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Apr 1 01:12:44 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 01:12:44 -0500 Subject: HW: Assembled trivia Message-ID: >Oh yeah - maybe someone who's into Elric can fill in the "?"s in the Black >Sword section. "the vermilion deserts of Mars, the jewelled forests >of Venus" are popular views of those planets in pulp science fiction until >the 1970's. Well, I suppose I could leave this to ATG, since he's the nomad of the time stream, but I feel I can take a stab at a song-by-song rundown.... (mainly from Live)... TCotBS - basically an intro telling stuff about Elric, some of his titles, and paradoxes about him... SotS - this songs speaks in general terms primarily. DaF - I find nothing specifically about Elric in this song. It's relevance seems to be merely that it describes a fantasy/medeival setting. Nar/TSK - In the first book, Elric gains intelligence of an assault on Melnibone (this is while he is still emperor). He goes onto one of the golden battle barges to lead the assault that crushes them. His cousin Yyrkoon has him thrown overboard, but Elric, aided by the Ring of Kings, calls upon his elemental ally the Sea King, who saves him. Elementals are viewed throughout the book as worthy allies, deserving of trust, but become weaker and weaker compared to Chaos... DGH - In one of the later books, Elric bargains with the Dead God for the return of his wife. By this time Yyrkoon has been defeated, and for a time Elric's friend and kinsman Dyvvim Slorm (sp?) bears Mourneblade, a twin of Stormbriner (Elric's sword). Elric delivers it, but is able to command the sword to fight without being held, and they defeat the dead god... SG, Rocky Paths - nothing specific... Elric the Enchanter (I) - basically what it says, describes some of Elric's dilemmas, desires, etc... Dragon Song - Melnibone, the Dragon Isle (where Elric ruled) was protected by many things, but most feared were it's legendary dragons. The dragons spent most their time in Hibernation, and could only be roused once in a great while (years or even decades) to aid in its defense. (they didn't always use all the dragons...). The song describes what might be the words of the guy in charge of the dragons (can't remember offhand but I think it was Dyvvim Slorm), rousing the dragons to defend Melnibone. Probably when Elric was attacking the Dragon Isle (after Yyrkoon usurped the throne, Elric lead a fleet of reevers, sea pirates, and mercenaries to sack the city. He gave them the secrets they needed to approach through the maze outside the harbor, so they approached and were successful in attacking. As they fled, they were pursued by the golden battle barges, but Elric summoned a wind to keep his fleet ahead. Then the dragons were awakened, and as they were about to overtake the reever fleet, Elric transferred all the winds to his ship alone, saving himself but dooming the rest of the fleet, includnig many of his friends on othe rships...) SoaTT - Kind of hazy, I think it may describe Elric and Cymoril, perhaps in a hallucination? Zarozinia - long after the death of Cymoril, Elric found love again in a young girl he rescued in the forest of troos. Her name was Zarozinia. He settled down and married her in (Kharlak?) by the weeping waste, and hung up his sword for a time and knew peace. But it was not to last, as he had to take up the sword again, first to save it from a barbarian army, later to confront the growing threat of Chaos... LoC/Demise - This describes Elric summoning Arioch, his patron deity, a lord of chaos, and duke of hell. Elric serves Arioch through most of the early books, and would often cry in battle "Blood and Souls for my lord Arioch!", etc. In time he came to oppose him, however... TDL - In time the threat of Chaos became greater and greater, and they corrupted the land and creatures that lived upon it, man and beast alike. In particular they tormented Elric by transforming Zarozinia... WoPT - Foremost among the new servants of Chaos (now that Melnibone was fallen and Elric turned his back on Chaos) were the rulers of an upstart island named Pan Tang, who modeled themselves, after a fashion, after Melnibone. Both were evil, but Melnibone's was of an older, cleaner evil than Pan Tang's... EtE 2 - Somewhat disjointed, he has the sword and he doesn't, it costs him the empire, then he must go in search of it before it's too late. This song doesn't make much sense to me. Yes, Elric did go in quest of Stormbringer, and he got it but soon left of his own will after that to go adventure and explore; and he lost his empire from his mercy to Yyrkoon, not the sword (though it did cost him Cymoril, who he valued more than his empire....) NG - Elric is an aspect of the eternal champion, who lives a thousand lives on a thousand different worlds. Most have a sword or some artifact similar to it. One of these was Jerry Cornelius (very unlike Elric, (most aspects of the Eternal Champion are not aware of its multiple existance), he can be found in books of the JC series: "The Final Programme" (which was made into an 'artsy' film), "A cure for cancer", "The English Assassin", "The Condition of Muzak", "The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius", "The Entropy Tango: a Comic Romance", "The Adventures of Una Persson and Catherine Cornelius in the 20th Century", et al. Anyways, Jerry uses a Needle Gun. A crossover of sorts between the two series (though not both characters) is "Elric at the End of Time"... TFF - basically just that, the mutating hordes of Chaos versus the remaining dragons and Elric. The Dragons do their best but eventually are slain. Elric, empowered by Stormbringer, kills thousands, he summons the lords of Law to his plane to oppose those of Chaos, and when all is said and done about all that's left are Elric, Moonglum (his friend and companion), the king of Pan Tang, and Stormbringer. To see how it ends, check out ATG's sig... The Horn of Fate/Destiny. Elric had to blow this horn (which he took from a version of Roland on another plane) three times, one of the time broght the gods of Law to the final fight. After everyone else was dead, he had to blow it one last time, but he lacked the energy to do so..... at any rate, when he blew it a final time, it signaled the end of that time, and the beginning of another world dominated by Law, (but with one minor source of Chaos left), which we are to understand is out world... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Mon Apr 1 04:08:07 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:08:07 GMT Subject: HW: remasters - WOW! Message-ID: Hi, There hasn't been a lot of discussion about the remasters but let me throw my hat into the ring. A few weeks ago I wrote here that they'd either have to be mid-price or damn good. Well you could knock me down with a feather but I really think EMI have come up trumps on these. I've only bought Doremi, HoTMG and SR but quite frankly they are all bloody excellent! Doremi - how heavy? There seems to be less synth and much more bass and drums with some of the gnarliest guitar sounds ever commited to tape. I really can't praise this enough. HoTMG - less bass but plenty of drums. The sound has been cleaned up a hell of a lot and there's masses of stuff going on that I'd never noticed before. I think that this is quite a laid-back, trippy kind of album, it's always been a fave of mine and the remastering has done it no harm. Lovely. SR - how to turn a perfectly sane man into a gibbering wreck! Very, very, very good :-) Definitely less murky. Some general points, I've always liked Lemmy but his playing seems even better when you can hear him properly - he is NOT a typical rock bass player! And the songs are often more rhythmically complex than I thought. I noticed several times when they switched from a straight four four into a shuffle. Maybe I was concentrating more, I don't know! The only downer is the cardboard packaging. Will these last or will they become disgusting and tatty? I think a box as EMI used for the Floyds *Pulse* would have been a good idea. Chris From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Apr 1 06:46:55 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:46:55 +0100 Subject: HW: remasters - WOW! In-Reply-To: <199604010908.JAA03020@neptune.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <199604010908.JAA03020 at neptune.shef.ac.uk>, Chris Bates writes >The only downer is the cardboard packaging. Will these last >or will they become disgusting and tatty? I think a box as EMI >used for the Floyds *Pulse* would have been a good idea. > > >Chris Whilst they are attractive, I've already managed to tear my SRA cover, so I've put the discs in fresh jewel cases to travel about, keeping the digi-paks safe at home. -- Jon Browne From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 1 07:10:50 1996 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:10:50 +0100 Subject: HW: remasters - WOW! Message-ID: >HoTMG - less bass but plenty of drums. The sound has been >cleaned up a hell of a lot and there's masses of stuff >going on that I'd never noticed before. I think that this >is quite a laid-back, trippy kind of album, it's always >been a fave of mine and the remastering has done it no harm. >Lovely. This is like a completly new album fantastic, the "swirl" in D-rider is great, as is the cleaned up start to You'd Better Believe It, the guitar sound in Lost Johnny and Paradox is so strong. Give the Album 12/10. >SR - how to turn a perfectly sane man into a gibbering wreck! >Very, very, very good :-) Definitely less murky. Yep the best just got better, the nice thing is that the fade out for Orgone has been removed so the tracks just flow from Elec No 1 straight into Orgone. The only two gripes so far is as alot of people have poited out 1, The cost esp Space Ritual 2, Digipak packaging Derrick... --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk 'Sunrise Wrongside of Another Day' "Kilminster" --------------------------------------------- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 1 08:09:24 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:09:24 EST Subject: BOC: I'm back and they're not Message-ID: > Someone mentioned getting a mailer from the Surgeons. I myself got the same > one. Now, most of these shows I get flyers for are in New York city, and I'm > just a snowbound local who lives Upstate, so the chances of me actually > getting to one of these gigs is very slim. Yet the surgeons keep sending > them and that's cool, because with the warmer weather coming, who knows right? > > So my point is (yes I have one), why don't the BOC boys do something > similar? You trying to tell me they can't afford to slap a 32 cent'er on a > stack of printouts to let people know about where they are gonna be? It > stinks when you find out BOC has played 2 hours away from you AFTER the gig > is over! As much as I love BOC's music, it seems to me that they just don't > care about the fans the way tBS do. > > Torgo has left the building...... > torgo at norwich.net Torgo, Welcome back! You're quite right about the lack of a decent BOC mailing list. Maybe the oysters don't want to admit that they're such a minor entity these days that they need to rely upon a mailing list to inform fans. Such a list is usually associated with 'cult' bands. Well dudes, you might have been 'The Cult' [forget that other very talented group for a minute] for many years, but nowadays you are again a cult item, and a direct mail system would help you out, and perhaps help convince your fans you haven't turned your back on them. John, what's your opinion of a BOC direct mail thing? Has anyone ever asked the big Bolle about it, or Ben? Seems like a great idea. I agree with Torgo, that even if you can't make it to a gig, it's great to know the Surgeons are thinking of their fans, and keeping in touch. Way to go Albert! theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 1 08:11:34 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:11:34 EST Subject: BOC: bad masters Message-ID: > I haven't read anything about it in the FAQ (the version I've got, not the > newest), so it might be new here. A friend of mine bought the CD of ST, > and saw two versions; one with 'BOC' in red, the other in green. And now > somewhere during (not sure) Cagey Cretins something went wrong with the > tapes. Known problem here? > > Same thing happened with CC, during (not sure again) Burnin' For You. He > had to buy a CD single for a correct version. Now I've heard CC has been > re-issued by a different label in Europe. Does anyone if that one contains > the correct recording? > > Jerry Jerry, I do know that there must be multiple issues of CC here stateside, 'cause my copy doesn't have any musician credits on it, while others on BOC-L say their copy does have this info? Wonder how many incarnations of CC exist. Any idea out there? theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 1 08:36:43 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:36:43 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: I'm not sure what Jerry means about bad masters with "Cagey Cretins" and "Burnin' For You" - someone please elaborate (suffice to say, there's nothing about this in the FAQ). As far as the red/green covers of "Secret Treaties" goes, this isn't in the FAQ, but I believe Bolle told me that the European release of ST has red lettering, vs the green that the U.S. releases have. I believe that the audio is the same though (Bolle said the same masters were used for the European CDs as the U.S. - with the exception of "Club Ninja"). As far as Cult Classic being reissued, as was pointed out here a few weeks ago, it's under the title "Champions of Rock" It's a European release - might even be done by Sony. I may try and pick up a copy just for collection purposes. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 1 08:53:04 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:53:04 -0500 Subject: BOC: I'm back and they're not Message-ID: Theo asks: John, what's your opinion of a BOC direct mail thing? Well, I personally like being on the Surgeons' mailing list - like Torgo though, I can't get to too many NY gigs (luckily for me, they've made it out to Boston a few times). Only they can tell you if it's cost-effective for them though, but they tend to be more into doing stuff for their fans than some bands. Should BOC do this? I don't know. My initial thought is BOC is pretty set in their ways, and probably would see no value in doing this. And, how many would be on their mailing list? Would it be cost-effective for them? My guess is that it wouldn't be -- hey, if I get a postcard saying that BOC will be playing in Seattle, I'm not about to hop aboard a plane to see them (yeah, I know, I did see them in Florida last year, but I was on a business trip). BOC probably figures that it's easier (and cheaper) to let the local venue promote the shows (which aren't being booked very far in advance these days ) and they can use their on-line fans to spread the word somewhat. My system is going down in a minute -- gotta go. John From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 1 14:47:15 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:47:15 BST Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: David Jones's message of Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:08:38 GMT Message-ID: David Jones writes: > Now to stop my personal sleepless nights where does the sample "I have come > but I do not choose now to do what I came to do " come from ? I think it's Ian Holm as Frodo in the radio show of Lord of The rings. The speech is from when he's about to throw the Ring into the Crack of Doom. Dunno if there's an easy way to check that though? > David FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 1 14:52:12 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:52:12 BST Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: HERBERT119@delphi.com's message of Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:28:53 -0500 Message-ID: HERBERT119 at delphi.com writes: > On 30-MAR-1996 10:03:56.2 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 > >On 30 Mar 96 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote about Re: HW: everything > >there is to know: > >> "Over The Top" - I know I'm missing something here - "Hey, Kitchener > >- don' t > >> you know that mustaches went out with the Beatles"? It's obvious > >that the > song basically refers to war, but... "gimme white feather", > >etc, etc..., I > don't know. > >I think you'll find it's "Gimme white powder" .... > > White powder? "Strung on barbed wire", Paul?? Never, never... :) That's one for the references file: in the UK during WWI it was a tradition to hand a white feather to a young man who hadn't "volunteered" to sign up and fight in the war. The white feather was supposed to denote cowardice. > Chuck > `[1;30;41mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 1 15:06:05 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:06:05 BST Subject: HW: PXR5 movie In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Mon, 1 Apr 1996 01:12:35 -0500 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > >i just read that roger zelazny passed away last year. rj > > I heard a rumor that his son may continue the Amber series... The first Amber series or the crap one? FoFP From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Apr 1 10:12:48 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 02:12:48 +1100 Subject: HW: Assembled trivia Message-ID: On 1 Apr 96 Martyn Lawrence wrote about Re: HW: Assembled trivia: > The Unix o/s fortune program used to have :- > > Hawkwind - It is the Business of the future to be dangerous. And then one DS tried to sue 'em, so they took it out? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Mon Apr 1 11:01:34 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 18:01:34 +0200 Subject: HW: videolist (update) Message-ID: Hi=20 Here is again an update of all known HAWKWIND videos TOWN HALL DATE T V = A=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Dunstable Civic Hall 7.7.72 2 9 8 =20 Newcastle City Hall 19.9.76 10 7 London Marc Bolan Show 14.9.77 3 8 9 Newcastle City Hall 20.9.77 10 7= =20 Baden Baden Studio 14.2.81 10 8 8 Southampton Gaumont 25.10.81 95 8 5 Amsterdam Paradiso 23.3.82 15 8 8 Edinburgh Playhouse 21.10.82 100 8 7 Cricket St.Thomas Wildlife Park 4.6.83 90 8 6 Ipswich Gaumont 9.3.84 55 8 10 =20 Stonehenge Festival 20.6.84 40 9 10 Manchester International 10.2.85 70 8 7 London Television 26.4.85 10 9 9 Norwich Earlham Park 31.8.85 10 9 9 London Hammersmith Od 3.12.85 55 9 10 Bristol Festival 20.6.86 5 8 6 =20 Reading Festival 24.8.86 10 8 8 =20 Preston Guild Hall 3.12.86 60 9 9 =20 Bochum Zeche 31.5.87 90 8 3 Finsbury Park Acid Daze 23.8.87 75 9 4 Bridport Beehive 10.3.89 40 8 9 =20 Treworgey Tree Fayre Fest 29.7.89 85 9 8 Toronto Spectrum 24.9.89 Somerville East Cabaret 27.9.89 100 7 4 Cleveland Phantasy Club 30.9.89 Chicago Lounge Axe 1.10.89 Santa Clara One Step Byond 9.10.89 105 7 6 Nottingham Lenton Lane St 25.1.90 55 10 10 Bournemouth Academy 2.7.90 100 9 9 Boston Channel Club 28.11.90 Washington Club 9:30 2.12.90 90 Cleveland Empire 6.12.90 60 8 8 Chicago Cubby Bear 7.12.90 Willow Grove Thirsty Whale 8.12.90 Minneapolis Glam Slam 11.12.90 105 Denver Mercury Club 13.12.90 Los Angeles Lingerie 15.12.90 30 8 7 San Francisco I - Beam 17.12.90 95 9 8 Portland Day For Night 19.12.90 Bochum Zeche 19.3.91 105 8 8 Toronto Phoenix 16.5.91 G=F6teborg Magasinet 28.9.91 75 6 7 Gimme Shelter Sessions ?.?.92 10 10 10 Hemel Pavillon 8.5.92 105 9 8 =20 Cambridge Corn Exchange 11.5.92 100 7 7 Brixton Academy 15.8.92 120 8 8 Pentrich Festival 31.7.93 20 8 9 =20 Genua Albatros 19.10.94 65 6 7 Springfield Jaxx 8.4.95 80 7 8 =20 Madison Barrymore Theat 18.4.95 Milwaukee Shank Hall 20.4.95 Bochum Zeche 26.10.95 90 9 9 Bernhard From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Apr 1 11:32:54 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:32:54 -0500 Subject: Off: Zelazny Message-ID: >Andrew A. Apold writes: > >> >i just read that roger zelazny passed away last year. rj >> >> I heard a rumor that his son may continue the Amber series... > >The first Amber series or the crap one? Speak for yourself, at first I didn't like the Merlin series as much, though I still enjoyed it. With successive readings, though, I have come to appreciate it more, evenso, than much of the first series. There is much more subtle forces at work. Yeah, it bogs down a bit in metaphysical dream matters somewhat at times (especially Knight of Shadows), but hey, I thought the last one of the first five, 'Courts of Chaos', was by far the worst of all ten books. I've read them all at least a dozen times now. If anyone is interested in a good source of info and/or background stuff on Amber, I suggest Phage Press's two books, 'Amber DRPG' and "Shadow Knight', though sourcebooks for a game they contain excellent info and speculation (one section tries to convince us that Bill Roth was really Eric (shapeshifting, to boot) all along, as a way to keep tabs on Corwyn, and now using it to hold an influential position beyond suspicion... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 1 11:54:37 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 17:54:37 +0100 Subject: HW: remasters - WOW! In-Reply-To: <9604011210.AA13278@sun1.bham.ac.uk> from "Derrick Chilton" at Apr 1, 96 01:10:50 pm Message-ID: Re: HotMG > This is like a completly new album fantastic, the "swirl" in D-rider is > great, as is the cleaned up start to You'd Better Believe It, the guitar > sound in Lost Johnny and Paradox is so strong. > Give the Album 12/10. This is one of my favorite HW albums, though I haven't picked up the remaster yet. If I discover I have any money left though I will! > >SR - how to turn a perfectly sane man into a gibbering wreck! > >Very, very, very good :-) Definitely less murky. > > Yep the best just got better _SR_ is *awesome*. I could no longer resist the terrible drive to pick this up, and snagged it along with _Doremi_. They did a good job on _SR_, and no mistake. Plus the packaging (fragile digipak aside) is incredible. Where did they dig up all the weird prose? It wasn't in the original as far as I know, though there are passages from the original liner notes that _aren't_ here. I think most of the old graphics made it in, though original LPs are in the States and I can't compare them. The addition of the lyrics was a nice touch, though the inclusion of what I assume are the lyrics for "Infinity" is strange, as is the inclusion of embryonic/different lyrics for "Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke)". Is this stuff from the tour program or something? The many excellent photos are nice too--the young Lemmy is quite scary looking :) and Stacia ... err ... must be seen to be believed ... The extra tracks are nice, and pretty clean. The "You Shouldn't Do That" sounds good--much better than the _Roadhawks_/_Psychedelic Warlords (Best Of)_ version, though I think it would have been interesting if they had kept some of the dialog from the _Acid Daze_/_Anthology_ version. The other two (Greasy Truckers?) are pretty clean vs. the bootleg recording I have of them, that's for sure! I immediately tuned the Rick down half-a-step and started jamming away :) _Doremi_ is quite good too. I didn't use to listen to the One Way version that much since it was kinda noisy, but that problem is a thing of the past. It's back in the regular rotation now! Oh, my poor, poor shrinking bank account! :P Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 1 18:18:52 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 18:18:52 BST Subject: Off: Zelazny In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:32:54 -0500 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > >Andrew A. Apold writes: > >> >i just read that roger zelazny passed away last year. rj > >> I heard a rumor that his son may continue the Amber series... > >The first Amber series or the crap one? > Speak for yourself, at first I didn't like the Merlin series as much, > though I still enjoyed it. With successive readings, though, I have > come to appreciate it more, evenso, than much of the first series. > There is much more subtle forces at work. Yeah, it bogs down a bit in > metaphysical dream matters somewhat at times (especially Knight of > Shadows), but hey, I thought the last one of the first five, 'Courts > of Chaos', was by far the > worst of all ten books. I've read them all at least a dozen times now. I was a strong fan of the first series. I'm not usually terribly interested in swords and sorcery fantasy. The attraction of the Amber series was that the "magic" technology was reasonably strongly defined and limited. For me it's kinda like the difference between Superman and Batman. Superman has insuperable strength, can go back in time and all sorts of other powers. This makes a realistic and dramatic plot untenable unless some way can be found to switch off his powers, which is pretty much why they had to invent krtptonite into the story. To me the whole thing is unsatisfactory dramatically since we know that if superman gets beat he could just go back in time later and fix things so that he didn't. That puts a huge plothole in things from the get-go. Batman OTOH is merely human with a few limited technological tricks and so the story doesn't suffer from an inherently poor premise. The first Amber books kept the magic technologies linked to a vaguely definded ability to walk through parallel worlds and this was limited to the Amber world being more "real" than the others. The cards were also a neat device to keep the political plotting going while providing little extra power than teleportation. I agree that the last book in the series was of poorer quality than the rest of the series. The second series IMHO suffered from a proliferation of magic technologies. Eventually there were so many that we were pretty much back into the superman scenario. Added to this was a tendency to wander into low-rent metaphysics with dream sequences, visions and acid-trips used as a somewhat flimsy cover to do so. The political plotting was also less tight than in the first series. > If anyone is interested in a good source of info and/or background > stuff on Amber, I suggest Phage Press's two books, 'Amber DRPG' and > "Shadow Knight', though sourcebooks for a game they contain excellent > info and speculation (one section tries to convince us that Bill Roth > was really Eric (shapeshifting, to boot) all along, as a way to keep > tabs on Corwyn, and now using it to hold an influential position > beyond suspicion... hehe :-) I'm not a great fan of roleplaying. I always thought that Amber would make a great board game if someone put in some good design effort. I also think they could have made a lot of cash by selling an Amber deck of cards with some kind of rules for a card game. There must be SF artists out there who could do some incredibly tasty designs for this. What we really want though is a "Live Chronicles" type Hawkwind album based on the Amber books. Maybe if we write some lyrics and send 'em to Brock... From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 1 13:08:21 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 19:08:21 +0100 Subject: BOC: I'm back and they're not In-Reply-To: <199603301359.IAA25821@ns.norwich.net> from "Robert Sedler" at Mar 30, 96 08:59:27 am Message-ID: > Someone mentioned getting a mailer from the Surgeons. I myself got the same > one. Now, most of these shows I get flyers for are in New York city, and I'm > just a snowbound local who lives Upstate, so the chances of me actually > getting to one of these gigs is very slim. Yet the surgeons keep sending > them and that's cool, because with the warmer weather coming, who knows right? > So my point is (yes I have one), why don't the BOC boys do something > similar? You trying to tell me they can't afford to slap a 32 cent'er on a > stack of printouts to let people know about where they are gonna be? It > stinks when you find out BOC has played 2 hours away from you AFTER the gig > is over! As much as I love BOC's music, it seems to me that they just don't > care about the fans the way tBS do. BOC is in space. People _respond_ to contact, and respond with their wallets. tBS is good on outreach and I bet they get a decent return on their stamps ;) It would take so little, one would think, to get BOC's collective head out of its arse ... If they actually were on the ball enough to book their gigs ahead of time, then they could send out a postcard with the whole list of dates to the their whole fan club/mailing list. But no ... What are these guys doing with their time? Sitting around playing Nintendo? (Probably!) They sure aren't recording a new album or writing new tunes ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 1 13:09:53 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 19:09:53 +0100 Subject: HW: Assembled trivia In-Reply-To: <199604011307.XAA08449@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> from "Assassin Sonique" at Apr 2, 96 02:12:48 am Message-ID: > > The Unix o/s fortune program used to have :- > > > > Hawkwind - It is the Business of the future to be dangerous. > > And then one DS tried to sue 'em, so they took it out? Probably ;) I think Dougy's next move is going to be suing the owners of the rights to _The Sound of Music_ (for obvious reasons) ;) :P Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Apr 1 14:43:42 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:43:42 -0500 Subject: Off: Zelazny Message-ID: >Andrew A. Apold writes: > >The first Amber books kept the magic technologies linked to a vaguely >definded ability to walk through parallel worlds and this was limited to >the Amber world being more "real" than the others. The cards were also a >neat device to keep the political plotting going while providing little >extra power than teleportation. Oh, but they do follow the same framework. About the only development I really disliked was the sentience of the pattern and logrus. Kinda took= some of the... innocence (i know, odd for Amber) of the universe off the scheme of things, even the idyllic wanderings through bright shadows and stuff like that has a kind of underlying sinister tone to it in that light... As for stuff like Ghostwheel, the font of power, Merlin's sorcery, stuff= like that, it holds pretty consistantly... >hehe :-) > >I'm not a great fan of roleplaying. I always thought that Amber would >make a great board game if someone put in some good design effort. How can you make a board for an infinity of possible shadows? It is perfect for an RPG, and it was a pioneer in "DRPG", diceless rpg's... >I also think they could have made a lot of cash by selling an Amber deck >of cards with some kind of rules for a card game. There must be SF >artists out there who could do some incredibly tasty designs for this. There is a deck of Amberites as Tarots available in France, there is a link from the Zelazny page (do a net search, it pops up...). Anyways, most= people who play the DRPG make up trump decks of their own, and many of these people like to put them on the net. A good set can be found at http://www.phlab.missouri.edu/~c642985/amber/trumps/trumps.html >What we really want though is a "Live Chronicles" type Hawkwind album >based on the Amber books. Maybe if we write some lyrics and send 'em to >Brock... Ah, don't tempt me... but such a matter would have to be with permission from the Amber corporation, which holds his copyrights. I have no idea what whoever controls it now would feel about such a matter... I often tried to set up the elder amberites (the 9 princes and the 4 women) as being part of an enseble band of sorts, and trying to figure out what type of instrument each would play.... this is a list our group came up= with: Random - Drums (of course) Corwyn - Lead guitar Eric - Lead guitar (yes, they fight over it) G=E9rard - Bass Julian - Horns Benedict - Violin Brand - Keyboard, (mellotron?) Bleys - Sax Caine - Concertina (yeah, he needs something darker...) Florimel - lead vocal (and a tambourine on occasion) Fiona - Flute Diedre - Acoustic guitar Llewella - usually resuses to play, when forced to uses a triangle. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had= power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being= accused Chancellor of being corrupted= since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Apr 1 15:52:37 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:52:37 -0500 Subject: HW: Remasters. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > Less than they would be if they weren't priced so outrageously high! > If they were as cheap as the Castle remasters I'd have them all by now ... Can you define "outrageously high" for me, please? I'm at the point where I want to get the remasters from the UK, but have no idea what the going rate for them is. I'd like some idea, so I know what damage to expect. Last figure I heard was L12 (L9 ex-VAT, postage) for the single CDs, which doesn't sound "outrageously high" to me for a new CD release in the UK. Are people paying more than this, on average? A poor Kollector's wallet would like to know. :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Kyuss, _Welcome to Sky Valley_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Apr 1 15:57:03 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:57:03 -0500 Subject: HW: everything there is to know In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > No, it's _definately_ "white feather". During WWI in Britain, > young ladies in Blighty used to give white feathers to young men seen > not in uniform. The idea was to indicate that they were 'chicken' and would > have to join up if they were to impress the ladies. > Calvert's "give me white feather" line is intended to portray the > thoughts of a soldier who would far rather be branded a coward than go back > "over the top". Just to add to this, the white feather "cowardice" icon is a major plot element of the classic film "The Four Feathers" (can't remember who wrote the book). The story has been filmed several times. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Apr 1 16:05:20 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:05:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Over the Top; Kitchener. In-Reply-To: <01I2XR6IWNSE989RAQ@delphi.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Mar 1996 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > "Over The Top" - I know I'm missing something here - "Hey, Kitchener - don't > you know that mustaches went out with the Beatles"? Lord Kitchener is the guy on that famous (and much imitated) recruiting poster; the one in which he points his finger directly at the viewer and the slogan reads "Your Country Needs YOU" (also a line in the song). Kitchener is strongly identified with the wars in the Sudan (19th c.), but I think he also "took part" in WWI. I guess I could try and look him up in Comptons Interactive Encyclopaedia, or something. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From eqshw.blauchno at STATE.UT.US Mon Apr 1 15:20:46 1996 From: eqshw.blauchno at STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:20:46 -0700 Subject: BOC: I'm back and they're not -Reply Message-ID: Thoe sayz: John, what's your opinion of a BOC direct mail thing? Has anyone ever asked the big Bolle about it, or Ben? Seems like a great idea. I agree with Torgo, that even if you can't make it to a gig, it's great to know the Surgeons are thinking of their fans, and keeping in touch. Way to go Albert! theo Well, I'm excited to send my money off for the new Surgeons CD. Having Albert around is like a breath of fresh air from the list. BOC? when will we see a new album? Ever? I'm beginning to wonder if any significant new material will ever show up. That's depressing. (by significant I mean an ENTIRE CD of NEW material, previously unreleased and not another compilation). Grouchy and happy... Brad L. blauchno at state.ut.us From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Apr 1 16:21:07 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:21:07 -0500 Subject: OFF: THX-1138/Laibach trivia In-Reply-To: <199603291621.LAA13574@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > > I think PXR5 was the title of a sci-fi movie that George Lucas made in > >film school. A lot stranger than his Star Wars movies, if I remember > >correctly. > > No, that was THX-1138. He later refilmed the same movie for commercial > release, and is mainly useful as part of the trivia question 'what are the > only three movies George Lucas ever directed?'. Also, the "THX" is part of > the name of a sound system he later developed. Some samples from THX-1138 (e.g., the video confession booth sequence) appear on the Laibach album _Kapital_. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. "Could you be more... specific?" From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 1 22:21:24 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 22:21:24 BST Subject: HW: Remasters. In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:52:37 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > > Less than they would be if they weren't priced so outrageously high! > > If they were as cheap as the Castle remasters I'd have them all by now ... > > Can you define "outrageously high" for me, please? I'm at the point where > I want to get the remasters from the UK, but have no idea what the going > rate for them is. I'd like some idea, so I know what damage to expect. > > Last figure I heard was L12 (L9 ex-VAT, postage) for the single CDs, which > doesn't sound "outrageously high" to me for a new CD release in the UK. > Are people paying more than this, on average? A poor Kollector's wallet > would like to know. :-) > Dear Poor Kollector..... First my sympathies! Now the prices: C&D (i.e. Andy Garibaldi who is likely not to be overcharging I'd guess) are listing them at each CD single 13.99 pounds (not including p&p or VAT) double CD (Space Ritual) 20.99 pounds and from what I've seen in the shops so far this is about standard. However Key Mail Order are advertising the single CDs at 12.99 pounds (not including postage). They are also advertising the 2CD Space Ritual at this price but I'm doubtful - it's probably a misprint! Tel: 0181 770 0900 Fax: 0181 770 0300 enjoy! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 1 22:27:05 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 22:27:05 BST Subject: HW: EJECTION from the DoReMi remast. In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Sun, 31 Mar 1996 11:27:40 +0200 Message-ID: oops! Bernhard Pospiech (with customary astuteness) writes: > Hi folks > > It is not true that the EJECTION version from the new DoReMi CD > is unreleased. > > You can find exactely this version on the Captain Lockhead EJECTION single > errm - so you can! This is quite correct - I thought I'd checked this one but must have been asleep when I did so 8-( This means that it's been twice released (not including the album) - as a 7" single by Bob Calvert himself and also on the Lord of Light compilation CD issued by Cleopatra recently. I guess you can quibble and say that neither of these was a "Hawkwind label" release as such - still........ jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Apr 1 16:26:51 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:26:51 -0500 Subject: HW: everything including Mountain Grill In-Reply-To: <9603291809.aa03719@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, J Strobridge wrote: > re. Mountain Grill > > I think this is/was a clothes shop now - maybe even demolished. > Leastways it is, as they say, "no more". Wasn't the Mountain Grill, circa early Hawkwind, a greasy spoon cafe frequented by the band? _Hall of the Mountain Grill_ is obviously a melding of HW folklore with Grieg's "Hall of the Mountain King." Cheers, Paul. obCD: Ozric Tentacles, _Tantric Obstacles_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jguizar at EPIX.NET Mon Apr 1 16:29:26 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:29:26 -0500 Subject: SpMdX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Joe, got the floppies today. Still waiting for the CD's. I have 2 questions - is that a picture of you? and does that woman who's wrapped around you have a sister (preferably twin)? ;{) ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 1 22:38:19 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 22:38:19 BST Subject: HW: Cymbaline lyrics Message-ID: Here are some Cymbaline lyrics. Has anyone got a note of the Pink Floyd official version to compare them with? Cymbaline The path you tread is narrow and the drop is sheer and very high Ravens are all watching from a vantage point nearby Apprehension creeping like a tubetrain up your spine Will the (?)tightrope reach the end? Will the final couplet rhyme? And it's high time, Cymbaline. High time Cymbaline Please wake me. Butterfly with broken wings has fallen by your side Ravens all are closing in, there's nowhere you can hide Your manager and agent are both busy on the phone Selling coloured photographs to magazines back home And it's high time, Cymbaline. High time, Cymbaline. Please wake me. (?)Lines converging waves and they must have moved the picture frame Leaves are heavy round your feet, you hear the thunder of the train Suddenly it strikes you that they're moving into range And Dr. Strange is always changing sides And it's high time, Cymbaline. High time, Cymbaline Please wake me. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 1 23:02:15 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 23:02:15 BST Subject: HW: official Hawk news Message-ID: well - no news actually 8-( I've just had a release from Hawknews-Hawkdisc, PO Box 2096 London, W12 9XZA (which I'm guessing is Doug Smith by any other name). Excepts follow: "With '95 drawing to a close, the band took the road for both a number of UK and European dates which all proved to be a great success. The tour was recorded and filmed for release in May.... as Emergency Broadcast System's new release "Love In Space". Released in full on two CDs packed inside a beautiful double CD digipak and featuring paintings by Alan 'The Ghost' Arthurs [there's a small black and white pic attached and it does look beautiful with a ghost-like guitar-playing Alien inside the Arrowhead Hawkwind symbol against a magnificent galactic starscape. The title (mercifully) being relegated to a small section at the bottom so it doesn't get in the way of the picture!] The digipak is a foldout with a slipcase and a 16 page booklet which features the story of the show, the lyrics and lots of photos from the tour. Released on May 7th. An EP/single version of the track Love in Space will be released soon after. Tracklist: Abducted/Death Trap/Wastelands/Are You Losing Your Mind?/ Photo Encounter/Blue Skin/Sputnic [sic] Stan/Robot/Alien/Xenomorph/ Vega/Love In Space/Kapal/Elfin/Silver Machine/Welcome (FUTURE) Live plans are still to be formulated, however there's very little on the horizon for shows in the UK. But it looks like a bumper year for Europe with a number of festivals in discussion with the band and two confirmed - one in Germany and the other in Belgium. HAWKON: has had to be put on the back burner. Plans were in hand for it to take place at Langollen Eistedford facility but the council rejected the licence because of sound levels above 60Db. There's a samples release from the Emergency Broadcast System which will consist of the best EBS tracks to date + forthcoming ones. Tracklist: The Camera That Could Lie/GreenFinned Demon/Rizz's Radio Song (inst)/ Frenzzy/Coded Languages/Angels of Death/Yassassim/White Zone/Journey/ Xenomorph/Morbius-Brain Machine/Higher Than Before/Sonic Destruction (Advent re-mix). The price will be that of a single/EP. No date mentioned for release. Other new releases due: debut CD from Spacehead and the Alan Davey solo project. No further info. Think that's all! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Mon Apr 1 21:48:44 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 21:48:44 -0500 Subject: BOC: new album Message-ID: Today I finally received the promised early release of the new BOC album. _Still Burnin'_ features 11 tracks: Still Burnin' Queen of Ice Payback Night The Power Beneath Despair Succubus Razor See You in Black Fatwah (the Death Edict) Immortal Lust Arthur Comics [!] The Will of Mars Harvest Moon Despite the title, this isn't some sort of attempt to rehash old ideas; musically it is a fresh new album throughout. The guitars are heavier than most BOC albums, but it sounds quite different from _Imaginos_. I'm still on my first listen, however. Overall, the lyrics are rather bland by BOC standards. They really seem simplistic and uninspired. Maybe there are no more good lyric writers among the remaining members. The cover has a picture of the band in a rather, umm, bizarre setting. I don't think they've been on the front cover like this since _Spectres_ (or the back of _Mirrors_). The members (the few that I still recognize) have changed their appearance a bit over time; Buck especially looks very strange because he has no mustache! There still seems to be more than the average amount of leather though. From brendah at MBAY.NET Mon Apr 1 22:10:10 1996 From: brendah at MBAY.NET (brenda holloway) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 19:10:10 -0800 Subject: BOC: new album Message-ID: Ken Alexander wrote: > > Today I finally received the promised early release of the new BOC album. NEW ALBUM??!?? Oh yeah... April 1. I hate you. I really do. Sigh. -- Brenda Holloway (brendah at mbay.net) when man determined to destroy Sony New Technologies, Monterey CA himself he picked the was http://www.sonysoft.com/brenda/ of shall and finding only why http://www.mbay.net/~brendah/ smashed it into because From dzeiger at NETCOM.COM Mon Apr 1 22:25:46 1996 From: dzeiger at NETCOM.COM (David Zeiger) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 19:25:46 -0800 Subject: BOC: new album In-Reply-To: <199604020248.VAA23945@quip.eecs.umich.edu> from "Ken Alexander" at Apr 1, 96 09:48:44 pm Message-ID: > > Today I finally received the promised early release of the new BOC album. > _Still Burnin'_ features 11 tracks: Ummm, do me a favor and repost this tomorrow, when it's not April Fools Day. :-) (I'm *hoping*, but I've seen 3 fake posts on various newsgroups/lists today already...) -- David Zeiger dzeiger at netcom.com Windows 95: The Dracula of Operating Systems--it sucks up all your memory, bleeds your hard drive dry, and only works an average of 12 hours out of every 24. From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Apr 1 22:55:43 1996 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 05:55:43 +0200 Subject: SpMdX Message-ID: At 16:29 1996-04-01 -0500, you wrote: > Hi Joe, got the floppies today. Still waiting for the CD's. I have 2 >questions - is that a picture of you? and does that woman who's wrapped >around you have a sister (preferably twin)? > >;{) ???? \\joe From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Mon Apr 1 07:53:44 1996 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:53:44 +0000 Subject: HW: Assembled trivia -Reply Message-ID: just a coupla stuff: hurry on sundown is a novel by John Wain, (late 50s, mid 60s?) a very british attempt at a beat novel: young lad goes down t' London, gets a job involving art, meets a beatnik chick, is overawed by her freedom &c., has sex with her in the barn she lives in (this is very vague memory stuff now), and generally the mood of the book is "hurry on sundown, see what tomorrow brings ... there's hundreds of people like you and me" etc. line from SM, other side of the sky is a short story by Arthur C Clarke (typical of him, nice title, shite all the rest of the way) the spinrad novel agent of chaos contains an organisation call the brotherhood of assassins, not unlike the hashashin (i'm pretty sure its spelt with an 'n' and not an 'm'), who also keep cropping up in Burroughs novels (william not edgar). Burroughs also had an orgone accumulator (according to i can't remember which Kerouac novel). Agent of Chaos also contains a passage which compares the Ordered world of the Guardians (hegemonic controllers, those the brotherhood of a's are fighting against), cocooned by the (false) knowledge of there being no other lifeforms, to an egg, which begins to read a little like in the egg. Oh, and its definitely a muezzin on Church: maintaining hw's occasional islamic flavour the spoken bit at the beginning of who's gonna... on independent days, "this is a very heavy microphone stand ... no queen could burnish (? memory fails) this" seems to be a piss-take of one frederick mercury and his mike thrusting antics (ahem). oh, and whoever said they prefer their sf to be full of alien-zapping, well, the Transplanetary Association Of InterSpecial Hybridities is looking in on you now... yuri or andrew or whatever today OBvinylbargains, Other Way Out - Sundial 5 squid Greasy Truckers (i kid you not) 2 quid OBLps: Bwyd Time - gorky's zygotic mynci colours and sounds- the moonflowers From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 2 02:58:25 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 08:58:25 +0100 Subject: BOC: new album In-Reply-To: <199604020248.VAA23945@quip.eecs.umich.edu> from "Ken Alexander" at Apr 1, 96 09:48:44 pm Message-ID: > [_Still Burnin'_ review deleted] Now send this off to Eric and Buck and maybe they'll get the hint. ;) Good song titles though ... ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Apr 2 02:58:36 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 08:58:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Remasters. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 01 Apr 1996 22:21:24 -0000." <9604012221.aa23057@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: > Paul Mather writes: > > > Can you define "outrageously high" for me, please? I'm at the point where > > I want to get the remasters from the UK, but have no idea what the going > > rate for them is. I'd like some idea, so I know what damage to expect. > > > > Last figure I heard was L12 (L9 ex-VAT, postage) for the single CDs, which > > doesn't sound "outrageously high" to me for a new CD release in the UK. > > Are people paying more than this, on average? A poor Kollector's wallet > > would like to know. :-) The shops round here are selling them for 12.99 - 13.99, and SR @ 18.99 There is a shop that's usually cheaper than the rest, but it's not yet carrying the new format CDs. After the reports s far, I figure I may have to be done with it and get them at this price, since I don't own any of the classic early hw albums on CD :-0 Tim From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 2 03:07:36 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 09:07:36 +0100 Subject: HW: official Hawk news In-Reply-To: <9604012302.aa25456@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Apr 1, 96 11:02:15 pm Message-ID: > I've just had a release from Hawknews-Hawkdisc, PO Box 2096 London, W12 > 9XZA (which I'm guessing is Doug Smith by any other name). Get your letter bombs in the mail now ... > Tracklist: Abducted/Death Trap/Wastelands/Are You Losing Your Mind?/ > Photo Encounter/Blue Skin/Sputnic [sic] Stan/Robot/Alien/Xenomorph/ > Vega/Love In Space/Kapal/Elfin/Silver Machine/Welcome Is this mostly _Alien 4_ rehashed live or what? Still, I suppose it might be worthwhile to have a decent live version Sputnik and I expect the "Robot" will be cool. Also, perhaps at long last a version of "Silver Machine" that does justice to the original? The non-inclusion of "Lord of Light" is a _grievious_ error, especially when you consider it would tie in so well with the _Doremi_ and _Space Ritual_ re-release. > (FUTURE) Live plans are still to be formulated, however there's very > little on the horizon for shows in the UK. Bummer. I want to see Hawkwind! On the other hand, I might be willing to wait until they've got some new material ... > There's a samples release from the Emergency Broadcast System which will > consist of the best EBS tracks to date + forthcoming ones. > The price will be that of a single/EP. No date > mentioned for release. If it's really that cheap I might even buy it. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 2 03:15:42 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 09:15:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Remasters. In-Reply-To: <9604012221.aa23057@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Apr 1, 96 10:21:24 pm Message-ID: >>> Less than they would be if they weren't priced so outrageously high! >>> If they were as cheap as the Castle remasters I'd have them all by now ... >> >> Can you define "outrageously high" for me, please? I'm at the point where >> I want to get the remasters from the UK, but have no idea what the going >> rate for them is. I'd like some idea, so I know what damage to expect. >> >> Last figure I heard was L12 (L9 ex-VAT, postage) for the single CDs, which >> doesn't sound "outrageously high" to me for a new CD release in the UK. >> Are people paying more than this, on average? A poor Kollector's wallet >> would like to know. :-) > > First my sympathies! Now the prices: C&D (i.e. Andy Garibaldi who > is likely not to be overcharging I'd guess) are listing them at each CD > single 13.99 pounds (not including p&p or VAT) double CD (Space Ritual) > 20.99 pounds and from what I've seen in the shops so far this is about > standard. > However Key Mail Order are advertising the single CDs at 12.99 pounds > (not including postage). They are also advertising the 2CD Space > Ritual at this price but I'm doubtful - it's probably a misprint! In Cambridge, the best price I've seen in #12.99 for the single discs at Parrot Records. HMV was charging about 15 quid for the singles and 22.49 for _SR_. Andy's Records, which usually has good prices, was charging even more that HMV! 23.99 for _SR_ as I recall. Considering that HW are not exactly a chart-topping band and I doubt the remasters are getting much press, I don't think it was a good idea to price the CDs this high. I think they'd do better by knocking a few quid off and selling more. Who except a die-hard fan is gonna buy these? They did a great job on the re-mastering and packaging and it'd be a shame to see that go to nought because they were priced beyond the means of all but the die-hard fans who'll buy them anyway .... :P Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Tue Apr 2 03:20:14 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 08:20:14 GMT Subject: HW: what do they think they look like Message-ID: Carl wrote: > The many excellent photos are nice too--the young Lemmy is quite > scary looking :) and Stacia ... err ... must be seen to be believed ... :-) Looking at all the CDs I have to say that HW is the band you wouldn't want to have move in next door. These are some seriously dangerous looking individuals, and even by the standards of the '70s they had some of the WORST clothes that have been made since the middle ages! Lemmy famously said that if Motorhead moved in next door to you, your lawn would die, well if early HW moved in next door your wallpaper would fall off :-) Chris (fashion guru for the day) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 2 04:45:45 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:45:45 +0100 Subject: HW: what do they think they look like In-Reply-To: <199604020820.IAA03554@neptune.shef.ac.uk> from "Chris Bates" at Apr 2, 96 08:20:14 am Message-ID: > :-) Looking at all the CDs I have to say that HW is the band you > wouldn't want to have move in next door. These are some seriously > dangerous looking individuals, and even by the standards of the > '70s they had some of the WORST clothes that have been made since > the middle ages! > Lemmy famously said that if Motorhead moved in next door to you, your > lawn would die, well if early HW moved in next door your wallpaper > would fall off :-) Well, I thought Lemmy's be-patched denim jacket was not too bad, but things go down-hill from their. Of course, none of them are dressed quite horribly enough to match the cast of Blake's 7 ;) but that's no bad thing ... Cheers, Carl From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Apr 2 11:13:01 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:13:01 BST Subject: HW: remasters - WOW! Message-ID: I've only bought ISOS. This is the best packaged single CD I've ever seen. The "digipak" itself comes in a cardboard sleeve which holds it all together. The reason for this is that the digipak opens in the middle, like the original vinyl sleeve. The outer sleeve protects the two "doors" - this is a good idea, and would be worth adopting for ordinary digipaks as well. Inside there is a miniature version of the original Hawkwind log, and several fold out photos. It is all beautifully done. To describe the sound, I'm going to digress. For the last couple of years I've effectively been living away from home in order to work (that's a complicated story that I won't go into). This works pays quite well (better than being a postgrad, anyway), and last year I decided to spend some of my ill-gotten gains on a new stereo. After listening to lots of gear, I spent 2 grand on a CD player, pre- and power amp, and speakers; bottom of the range high-end audio. I took it all home, set it up, and sat down to play with my new toy, only to find that I couldn't. There was nothing in the system itself to listen to. It just played the music with more clarity, more dynamic range, more attack, etc., than before. I love this set-up, and my only regret is that I didn't buy it earlier (not that I had the money, but still...). Listening to the remastered ISOS is like that. There isn't anything new; it's the same music. It's just clearer than before, with better separation of the instruments, and so forth. The remastering makes a noticeable difference, and I recommend it. Finally, there are three bonus tracks. These are worth having, but not exceptional. The single of "7 by 7" isn't a patch on the live version, but is interesting. I suppose it's worth having a CD version of "Silver Machine", although this track was done to death years ago. (The remastering is nice though). The "Born to go" single mix is pretty good, in fact. Altogether, this is a very good package. I'm usually wary of buying old albums afresh, because often I find that my fond memories don't translate into actually playing them much. (E.g. I play 90's Hawkwind much more than the old stuff). But I think I will play this one. Dave. From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Tue Apr 2 06:01:17 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:01:17 GMT Subject: HW: remasters - WOW! Message-ID: Dave wrote: > Altogether, this is a very good package. I'm usually wary of buying > old albums afresh, because often I find that my fond memories don't > translate into actually playing them much. (E.g. I play 90's Hawkwind > much more than the old stuff). But I think I will play this one. I agree about this. The remasters aren't *new* just better. But they're so much better (esp than my knackered vinyl) that I think they will become regulars in the CD machine. Someone (Carl?) asked who'd buy these remasters apart from die-hard fans. Well presumably they're not limited edtions so they will become the regular version that any passing punter will get. Maybe the packaging will be simplified but I would expect EMI to have spent the money because the remasters will go on selling, steadily if not spectacularly, for many years. Chris From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 2 03:56:34 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 09:56:34 +0100 Subject: HW: what do they think they look like In-Reply-To: <199604020820.IAA03554@neptune.shef.ac.uk> Message-ID: In message <199604020820.IAA03554 at neptune.shef.ac.uk>, Chris Bates writes >:-) Looking at all the CDs I have to say that HW is the band you >wouldn't want to have move in next door. These are some seriously >dangerous looking individuals, and even by the standards of the >'70s they had some of the WORST clothes that have been made since >the middle ages! While I don't disagree, but they still made them look *beautiful*. > >Lemmy famously said that if Motorhead moved in next door to you, your >lawn would die, well if early HW moved in next door your wallpaper >would fall off :-) > My old band did this all-dayer a few years ago with Culture Shock and The Ozrics. I spent most of the day in a space-suit with a ballet dress over the top. Perfectly normal attire for that sort of occasion I would have thought. ;-) I was a little surprised by some people's reactions like "'kin ell, mate! What planet do you come from? " etc. from our usual audience. (dreadlocked, combat-trousered, clummpy-booted festie-goers.) Go figure! -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 2 06:24:05 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:24:05 +0100 Subject: HW: remasters - WOW! In-Reply-To: <199604021101.LAA03743@neptune.shef.ac.uk> from "Chris Bates" at Apr 2, 96 11:01:17 am Message-ID: > Someone (Carl?) asked who'd buy these remasters apart from die-hard > fans. Well presumably they're not limited edtions so they will become > the regular version that any passing punter will get. Maybe the packaging > will be simplified but I would expect EMI to have spent the money > because the remasters will go on selling, steadily if not spectacularly, > for many years. Here's hoping! However, my faith in the general availibilty of Hawkwind CDs not titled _Masters of the Universe_ is not strong (though I'd like to proved wrong!) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 2 13:16:41 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:16:41 BST Subject: HW: Remasters. In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Tue, 2 Apr 1996 09:15:42 +0100 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > Considering that HW are not exactly a chart-topping band and I > doubt the remasters are getting much press, I don't think it was a good > idea to price the CDs this high. I think they'd do better by knocking a > few quid off and selling more. Who except a die-hard fan is gonna buy > these? They did a great job on the re-mastering and packaging and it'd > be a shame to see that go to nought because they were priced beyond the > means of all but the die-hard fans who'll buy them anyway .... :P > I'm intrigued by the fact that there's obviously also a big push on to flog as many Pink Floyd CDs as can possibly be arranged - also at similarly inflated prices - except in PFs case they've got a separate stand and if you buy in sufficient quantities you get a free poster! I feel that the sound quality of the Hawk CDs along with the superb packaging does actually make paying these prices worthwhile - one of the few occasions when I'd be in favour of it. My regret is that there is no way, simply from the way the CDs are put into the CD racks in the shops, that either the remastered quality or the elegance of the packaging can possibly be displayed to full advantage and since the front covers haven't changed at all (or very little) there is virtually no way anyone unaware of the new packages can tell the difference between an old CD version of ISoS or Mountain Grill from the re-mastered one - except by the excessively high price of the latter - and that's hardly going to be a recommendation! A higher advertising profile might have been more helpful (a few cardboard cutouts on record shop counters across the country perhaps? or several thousand bright yellow stickers screaming "DIGITALLY REMASTERED - SUPERB SOUND QUALITY" on the front of each?) but that I'd guess is EMI's decision not Hawkwind's. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Tue Apr 2 07:22:58 1996 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:22:58 +0000 Subject: HW: Assembled trivia -Reply -Reply Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurry on sundown is a novel by John Wain, (late 50s, mid 60s?) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< my meme-orrery has had a few escapees lately; it was actually called hurry on down, but close enough eh? From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 2 14:50:12 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 14:50:12 BST Subject: Off: Zelazny In-Reply-To: Andrew A. Apold's message of Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:43:42 -0500 Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > >Andrew A. Apold writes: > > > >The first Amber books kept the magic technologies linked to a vaguely > >definded ability to walk through parallel worlds and this was limited to > >the Amber world being more "real" than the others. The cards were also a > >neat device to keep the political plotting going while providing little > >extra power than teleportation. > > Oh, but they do follow the same framework. About the only development I > really disliked was the sentience of the pattern and logrus. Kinda took= > some of > the... innocence (i know, odd for Amber) of the universe off the scheme > of things, even the idyllic wanderings through bright shadows and stuff > like that has a kind of underlying sinister tone to it in that light... > > As for stuff like Ghostwheel, the font of power, Merlin's sorcery, stuff= > like > that, it holds pretty consistantly... In some ways maybe. The powers of the Courts and its denizens seemed fairly unlimited and the powers at the Four Keeps (?) were pretty out of step with the Amber stuff. > > > >hehe :-) > > > >I'm not a great fan of roleplaying. I always thought that Amber would > >make a great board game if someone put in some good design effort. > > How can you make a board for an infinity of possible shadows? Limit the game to various routes of assault on Amber circa the end of the first book. Maybe have seperate boards for specific shadows like Earth and Avalon for troop raising and stuff like that. > >I also think they could have made a lot of cash by selling an Amber deck > >of cards with some kind of rules for a card game. There must be SF > >artists out there who could do some incredibly tasty designs for this. > > There is a deck of Amberites as Tarots available in France, there is a link > from the Zelazny page (do a net search, it pops up...). Anyways, most= > people > who play the DRPG make up trump decks of their own, and many of these > people like to put them on the net. A good set can be found at > > http://www.phlab.missouri.edu/~c642985/amber/trumps/trumps.html Thanks. I'll have a look at these. > >What we really want though is a "Live Chronicles" type Hawkwind album > >based on the Amber books. Maybe if we write some lyrics and send 'em to > >Brock... > > Ah, don't tempt me... but such a matter would have to be with permission > from the Amber corporation, which holds his copyrights. I have no idea > what whoever controls it now would feel about such a matter... Right :-( FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 2 14:59:42 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 14:59:42 BST Subject: HW: Assembled trivia -Reply In-Reply-To: Yuri Gagarin's message of Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:53:44 +0000 Message-ID: Yuri Gagarin writes: > the spinrad novel agent of chaos contains an organisation call the > brotherhood of assassins, not unlike the hashashin (i'm pretty sure its spelt > with an 'n' and not an 'm'), who also keep cropping up in Burroughs novels > (william not edgar). Burroughs also had an orgone accumulator (according > to i can't remember which Kerouac novel). Agent of Chaos also contains a > passage which compares the Ordered world of the Guardians (hegemonic > controllers, those the brotherhood of a's are fighting against), cocooned by > the (false) knowledge of there being no other lifeforms, to an egg, which > begins to read a little like in the egg. Someone here posted the original source of "In The Egg". I think they said their wife had been reading some poetry... Anyone want to own up? > the spoken bit at the beginning of who's gonna... on independent days, > "this is a very heavy microphone stand ... no queen could burnish (? > memory fails) this" seems to be a piss-take of one frederick mercury and his > mike thrusting antics (ahem). "No Queen could banish this..." I think it's just a brit thing. Calvery is pretty obviously out of his gourd during this piece and it's the random-connection kinda link that appears all over the place in his poetry - IMHO this is what makes it so fascinating. FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 2 15:01:22 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 15:01:22 BST Subject: HW: what do they think they look like In-Reply-To: Chris Bates's message of Tue, 2 Apr 1996 08:20:14 GMT Message-ID: Chris Bates writes: > Carl wrote: > lawn would die, well if early HW moved in next door your wallpaper > would fall off :-) And your microwave would get messages from Fomalhaut III > Chris (fashion guru for the day) FoFP From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Tue Apr 2 09:55:01 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 16:55:01 +0200 Subject: HW: EJECTION from the DoReMi remast. Message-ID: Hi there >> It is not true that the EJECTION version from the new DoReMi CD >> is unreleased. >> >> You can find exactely this version on the Captain Lockhead EJECTION single >> > > >errm - so you can! This is quite correct - I thought I'd checked this >one but must have been asleep when I did so 8-( This means that >it's been twice released (not including the album) - as a 7" single by >Bob Calvert himself and also on the Lord of Light compilation CD issued >by Cleopatra recently. I guess you can quibble and say that neither >of these was a "Hawkwind label" release as such - still........ > AFAIK the album version is little different to the single one Bernhard From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Apr 2 15:55:33 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 15:55:33 BST Subject: HW: Assembled trivia -Reply In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Tue, 2 Apr 1996 14:59:42 BST Message-ID: > > "this is a very heavy microphone stand ... no queen could burnish (? > > memory fails) this" > > "No Queen could banish this..." I thought he was being homophobic: "this is a very heavy microphone stand ... no queen could manage this..." i.e. only a "real" man would be strong enough to lift it... I think there's an anecdote in Kris Tait's book that recounts how Calvert insulted a French music biz personage (I think), persistently suggesting he was gay, etc. Calvert seemed to be a pretty weird bloke. Dave. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 2 10:21:48 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:21:48 EST Subject: BOC: new album Message-ID: Ken, Fine bit of work for 1 april! You've done some great BOC homework here. > Today I finally received the promised early release of the new BOC album. > _Still Burnin'_ features 11 tracks: > > Still Burnin' > Queen of Ice [Baby Ice Dog redux?] > Payback Night [More like a title for Albert?] > The Power Beneath Despair > Succubus Razor [Black Blades encore?] > See You in Black Fatwah (the Death Edict) [Can't have a BOC album without a parenthetical title] > Immortal Lust [Nosferatu?] > Arthur Comics [!] > The Will of Mars [Wings of Mercury?] > Harvest Moon > > Despite the title, this isn't some sort of attempt to rehash old ideas; > musically it is a fresh new album throughout. The guitars are heavier > Yet your titles suggest nothing but recycled ideas! Hey, ZZ Top has already done this! than most BOC albums, but it sounds quite different from _Imaginos_. > I'm still on my first listen, however. > I bet Albert's relieved to hear that! > Overall, the lyrics are rather bland by BOC standards. They really seem > simplistic and uninspired. Maybe there are no more good lyric writers > among the remaining members. No doubt about that one. "Still Searchin'" would be more like it, e.g. still searching for another FM radio number. I think the Oysters have hitched their collective wagon to a fading star if they think that pandering to radio schlock will recapture the glory days. They became great on the strength of being true to their original core of fans. Albert understands this, and has stuck to his guns. Surgeons fans understand this and appreciate wat he's doing. BOC chooses to ignore its fans and the great material from the early days that earned their respect. > The cover has a picture of the band in a rather, umm, bizarre setting. > I don't think they've been on the front cover like this since _Spectres_ > (or the back of _Mirrors_). The members (the few that I still recognize) > have changed their appearance a bit over time; Buck especially looks very > strange because he has no mustache! There still seems to be more than > the average amount of leather though. Right! They [almost] look like Republicans nowadays. Why doesn't E.B. completely scuttle the past, and a la Kiss, take off the shades. As long as you're ignoring the fans, why not completely insult them and see how many more diehards you can alienate? The leather's probably naugahyde! Again, great job, Ken, and thanks for a giant hoot! theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 2 10:27:35 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:27:35 EST Subject: BOC: I'm back and they're not Message-ID: > > stinks when you find out BOC has played 2 hours away from you AFTER the gig > > is over! As much as I love BOC's music, it seems to me that they just don't > > care about the fans the way tBS do. > > BOC is in space. People _respond_ to contact, and respond with their > wallets. tBS is good on outreach and I bet they get a decent return on their > stamps ;) It would take so little, one would think, to get BOC's collective > head out of its arse ... If not a short term return, certainly down the road. Albert realizes that BOC [and now the Surgeons] are, at heart, a CULT, a commune with their fans. BOC has lost sight of the communal aspects of music. By keeping in touch with the fans, the Surgeons are showing a two way commitment, and they will be rewarded by continuing fan loyalty. I don't see the same kind of sliding away of fans that occurred for BOC. Of course, that could change if Albert vapor locks and starts turning out shit like Club Ninja. Somehow I just don't see that happening... > If they actually were on the ball enough to book their gigs ahead > of time, then they could send out a postcard with the whole list of > dates to the their whole fan club/mailing list. But no ... What are these Right! Even if you can't book ALL your gigs ahead, and try to squeeze a few extra in here and there, you would certainly have a lot of them booked well in advance, and these could be included in a mailing... theo > ************************************************************************* > Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out > ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." > cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) > ************************************************************************* > From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 2 10:31:10 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:31:10 EST Subject: BOC vs Surgeons re. respect for fans Message-ID: > I agree with Torgo, that even if you can't make it to a gig, it's great to > know the Surgeons are thinking of their fans, and keeping in touch. > Way to go Albert! theo > > Well, I'm excited to send my money off for the new Surgeons CD. > Having Albert around is like a breath of fresh air from the list. BOC? Yeah, he helps restore one's faith, for sure. > when will we see a new album? Ever? I'm beginning to wonder if any > significant new material will ever show up. That's depressing. (by > significant I mean an ENTIRE CD of NEW material, previously unreleased > and not another compilation). > Careful what you ask for, you might get it. Another lukewarm rehash of watered-down junk that some idiot hopes will miraculously get unto the radio and resurrect the BOC. Can you say Club Ninja? theo > From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Apr 2 11:28:54 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:28:54 -0500 Subject: BOC: new album Message-ID: >Fatwah (the Death Edict) [Can't have a BOC album without a > parenthetical title] Well, not that many, is there... hmm, lessee... whoops, guess so. Well, in that case is there any chance of them putting out another compilation album entitled simply "Parenthesis"? Before the Kiss (a Redcap) Mistress of the Salmon Salt (Quicklime Girl) E.T.I. (Extraterrestial Intelligence) (Don't Fear) The Reaper Godzilla (TV Mix) You're Not the One (I was Looking For) Vengence (The Pact) (666) Devil Got Your Mother Expressway To Your Heart (cover tune) The cover could have a giant (c) or (r). Alternately, the album could be titled: Parenthesis (not the new album you were waiting for). +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Apr 2 11:36:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:36:00 EST Subject: HW: Assembled trivia -Reply Message-ID: > > "this is a very heavy microphone stand ... no queen could burnish (? > > memory fails) this" > > "No Queen could banish this..." I thought he was being homophobic: "this is a very heavy microphone stand ... no queen could manage this..." i.e. only a "real" man would be strong enough to lift it... __________________ I haven't heard this, but within this context and the initial word guesses, It sounds like "burnish or banish" should be "brandish." Rudy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 2 12:32:31 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:32:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Remasters. In-Reply-To: <9604021316.aa28064@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Apr 2, 96 01:16:41 pm Message-ID: > A higher advertising profile might have been more helpful (a few > cardboard cutouts on record shop counters across the country perhaps? or > several thousand bright yellow stickers screaming "DIGITALLY REMASTERED > - SUPERB SOUND QUALITY" on the front of each?) but that I'd guess is > EMI's decision not Hawkwind's. And if the decision _had_ been Hawkwind's Doug Smith would have probably blocked it ;) CHeers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 2 13:00:08 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:00:08 -0500 Subject: BOC: new album Message-ID: >Expressway To Your Heart (cover tune) I suppose this is misleading info in the FAQ. I believe the title is merely "Expressway to your Heart" - the text in parenthesis was meant to indicate that it is a cover tune, not that it is part of the title. Well, I guess I needed an excuse to start workin' on rev. 2.2 . . . John From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Apr 2 13:40:21 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:40:21 -0500 Subject: HW: Assembled trivia -Reply Message-ID: On 2-APR-1996 12:19:12.0 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> > "this is a very heavy microphone stand ... no queen could burnish (? >> > memory fails) this" >> >> "No Queen could banish this..." >I thought he was being homophobic: >"this is a very heavy microphone stand ... >no queen could manage this..." >i.e. only a "real" man would be strong enough to lift it... >__________________ >I haven't heard this, but within this context and the initial word >guesses, It sounds like "burnish or banish" should be "brandish." >Rudy I was sure it's "banish". I think that's what's in the unofficial lyric booklet that I got from FOFP. I figured he was referring to a fantasy-based character, like a queen with magic...but there's obviously many possibilities. Chuck `[1;32;47mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From Christopher.Stier at SMTPGATE.LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Tue Apr 2 13:41:40 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at SMTPGATE.LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:41:40 -0500 Subject: HW: KOS,LOL Message-ID: Hi folks, Sorry to be behind the times on this but I just received a copy of the Kings of Speed, Lords of Light CD in the mail today (yeah, I'm still waiting on my remasters.) and haven't had a chance to listen to it yet. I was wondering what the overall opinion of it was on the board. It does have a great picture on the back cover though. Chris the curious From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 2 14:13:41 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 20:13:41 +0100 Subject: HW: KOS,LOL In-Reply-To: <1996Apr02.133924.1429.649568@smtpgate.lexis-nexis.com> from "Stier, Christopher" at Apr 2, 96 01:41:40 pm Message-ID: > Sorry to be behind the times on this but I just received a copy of the Kings > of Speed, Lords of Light CD in the mail today (yeah, I'm still waiting on my > remasters.) and haven't had a chance to listen to it yet. I was wondering > what the overall opinion of it was on the board. It does have a great > picture on the back cover though. As I recall, the sound is not the greatest but it does have some good performances on it (the sound still beats Yuri Gargarin ;) I also recall the main debate about the boot being where and when it was actually recorded. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Apr 2 14:17:01 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 14:17:01 -0500 Subject: BOC: new album Message-ID: >>Expressway To Your Heart (cover tune) > >I suppose this is misleading info in the FAQ. I believe the title is >merely "Expressway to your Heart" - the text in parenthesis was meant to >indicate that it is a cover tune, not that it is part of the title. > >Well, I guess I needed an excuse to start workin' on rev. 2.2 . . . I knew that, I was just kinda desperately digging for a few more parenthetical titles.... Incidentally, "Redcap" is listed without parentheses on my CD (i.e., "Before the Kiss, a Redcap", but was listed with 'em in the FAQ (and that's good enough for me...). WOTT didn't use them either, but then again WOTT didn't use them for Reaper either. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From brentmcd at DEM.EHNR.STATE.NC.US Tue Apr 2 14:51:03 1996 From: brentmcd at DEM.EHNR.STATE.NC.US (Brent C. McDonald) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 14:51:03 EST Subject: BOC: new album Message-ID: >Fatwah (the Death Edict) [Can't have a BOC album without a > parenthetical title] > >Well, not that many, is there... hmm, lessee... whoops, guess >so. Well, in that case is there any chance of them putting > out another compilation album entitled simply "Parenthesis"? > >The cover could have a giant (c) or (r). > >Alternately, the album could be titled: > >Parenthesis (not the new album you were waiting for). ---------------------------------- How about: "(This Ain't) The New Album you were waiting for" From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 2 15:18:59 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:18:59 +0100 Subject: BOC: new album In-Reply-To: <963C9C5903@mordor.ehnr.state.nc.us> from "Brent C. McDonald" at Apr 2, 96 02:51:03 pm Message-ID: > >Alternately, the album could be titled: > >Parenthesis (not the new album you were waiting for). > > How about: > "(This Ain't) The New Album you were waiting for" Or _Still Treadin' (Water)_ ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From hje at ORA.DE Tue Apr 2 16:05:43 1996 From: hje at ORA.DE (Hans-Joerg Ehren) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 23:05:43 +0200 Subject: BOC: "Champions of Rock" - label is "Disky" Message-ID: >Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:36:43 -0500 >From: John A Swartz >Subject: >As far as Cult Classic being reissued, as was pointed out here a few >weeks ago, it's under the title "Champions of Rock" >It's a European release - might even be done by Sony. I may try and pick >up a copy just for collection purposes. John, it's a Dutch label, called "Disky", which only do low budget re-issues. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 2 16:07:19 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 16:07:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: new album Message-ID: >Incidentally, "Redcap" is listed without parentheses on my CD (i.e., "Before the Kiss, a Redcap", but was listed with 'em in the FAQ (and that's good enough for me...). WOTT didn't use them either, but then again WOTT didn't use them for Reaper either Depends on which album you look at. The original BOC album (or, should I say the eponymously-titled album) listed the song as "Before the Kiss, a Redcap". *On Your Feet Or On Your Knees* listed the song as "Before the Kiss (A Redcap)". WOTT uses the comma, and the *Nail You Down* recording uses parenthesis. Hmm...if I throw out *Nail You Down* (since it's not an "official" release), I suppose that perhaps the comma wins by a vote of 2 to 1 . . . Can you tell there ain't much to talk about regarding BOC these days? ;-) John From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Tue Apr 2 17:05:55 1996 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 17:05:55 -0500 Subject: BOC Doom is great ! Message-ID: Anyone download and play the BOC Doom WAD listed in the latest issue of Morning Final ? I down-loaded it a couple of days ago and it is excellent. The developer did a fantastic job. The version contains segments of BOC songs for sound effects, cover art all over the walls of the maze (the maze, by the way, is in the shape of the BOC symbol), and even some live concert footage. For those BOC and Doom fans, this is a must. By the way, you must have DOOM II for this run. I tried it using the orginal DOOM and it locked up my computer. Shawn From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Apr 2 17:48:33 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 17:48:33 EST Subject: BOC Doom is great ! Message-ID: Could somebody please post where to locate the BOC Doom II wad? I happen to be an addict to muscle-twitch death-dispensing... Captain "Killer" Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com P.S. I hope to have the final version of the Tape 4 insert ready tomorrow. I will send it to Paul and Dave immediately. From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Apr 2 18:18:03 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:18:03 EST Subject: OFF: Electric Orange question Message-ID: I have heard some positive comments about the group Electric Orange who have one(?) title available from Germany. I have just seen a listing for an apparently domestic (USA) release by Electric Orange called "Orange Commutation". It is listing for US$12.99. Does anybody else have any info on this one? I would like to know if this is the same group from Germany, and if this is the same release that has been available as an import, and anything else of interest. Respond private or public. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Tue Apr 2 18:37:49 1996 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:37:49 -0500 Subject: Location of the BOC Doom WAD File Message-ID: The location of the BOC WAD file is: http://www.europa.com/~doomer or ftp://ftp.europa.com/outgoing/doomer/bocdoom2.zip By the way, it took me about 11 minutes to download at ~26k. Enjoy, Shawn From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Apr 2 19:04:20 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 19:04:20 -0500 Subject: Location of the BOC Doom WAD File In-Reply-To: <199604022337.SAA18711@digital.net> from "Shawn Quinn" at Apr 2, 96 06:37:49 pm Message-ID: THANKS! >From another Doom fanatic... objHappy Happy : Back in San Jose for two days, class over early, get to go to the local CD establishment before the plane trip! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Wed Apr 3 07:02:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 07:02:00 -0500 Subject: In the Egg Message-ID: In the Egg was written by the german author, Gunter Grass. My wife was the one reading his book. I have been looking around for the book but I can't seem to find it??? Off to blast the world with a bit of psychedelic music in the morning from 10-12... I wish you all could listen in... sCott ObCassette: ozric Tentacles- Become the Other (this is really growing on me!) From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 3 14:29:34 1996 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 14:29:34 BST Subject: HW: Assembled trivia -Reply In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Tue, 2 Apr 1996 15:55:33 BST Message-ID: Dave Berry writes: > I think there's an anecdote in Kris Tait's book that recounts how Calvert > insulted a French music biz personage (I think), persistently suggesting > he was gay, etc. Calvert seemed to be a pretty weird bloke. One of my pals once phoned him to ask him something and ended up with a two hour phone conversation about the First World War. He was pretty high on my list of "Interesting people to spend a night in the pub with". > Dave. FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 3 08:58:05 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 08:58:05 -0500 Subject: BOC Doom is great ! Message-ID: I probably won't be able to check this out myself, but it probably deserves a mention in a future edition of the FAQ. If anyone can provided me a detailed description of the various BOC references, along with some general info about the program, I would greatly appreciate it -- plus your name, if not already there, will be immortalized in print in the credits of a future BOC FAQ (something to put on your resume ;-) ). John From kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Apr 3 10:31:36 1996 From: kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM (joel wendrow) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 07:31:36 -0800 Subject: BOC Live in Hartford Ct. Message-ID: recovering from surgery I heard a radio add for BOC coming to Hartford on April 6th at a new venue. I can't wait to see the boys again. This will be about my 10th time seeing them. I will be posting a complete review of the show next week so keeps your ears and eyes peeled. Joel From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Apr 3 11:01:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:01:00 EST Subject: HW: CD Sale Message-ID: For all you US HW fans looking to fill holes in your HW CD collection, I see that CD Now (http://cdnow.com) has all the domestic discs on sale and the 1st five are real cheap (wonder why?). BTW: Just listening to Scott's radio show and heard the upgraded version of a Shillding (phonetic, not real spelling) tune. This is Carl (Wah Wah) Anderson's band with the space sounds added by his sister. Sounded really good! Rudy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 3 11:45:41 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 17:45:41 +0100 Subject: HW: Assembled trivia -Reply In-Reply-To: <9604031429.aa11083@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "M Holmes" at Apr 3, 96 02:29:34 pm Message-ID: >> Calvert seemed to be a pretty weird bloke. > > One of my pals once phoned him to ask him something and ended up with a > two hour phone conversation about the First World War. Didn't something like this happen the night before the "Over the Top" gig when one of the band when over to Calverts to try to convince him to rejoin and ended up in a bewildering conversation about WW1? I recall reading they had no clue what Calvert was on about, but the chance to ramble about WW1 pleased Calvert so much that he did to the gig and the bizarre "Over the Top" resulted ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Apr 3 12:20:06 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:20:06 -0600 Subject: HW Cover Project: US postage, costs, etc. Message-ID: Hi all, Postage for US Cover sets will be $3 for first class, $2.95 for parcel post, so I expect to ship first class. $1 for mailer. However, we've hit a snag on costs: I'm looking at 35 sets of 4 tapes, before the 10 free sets for contributors, and, as the local market won't be able to get me chrome tapes in sufficient quantity, I will order metal tapes at the cost of chrome ones from J&R Music World. So, I'll go ahead an place an order for the tapes, but this will delay the sets for probably another 2-3 weeks while J&R Music World ships them out. Costs for the tapes are: Sony SR 90s (metal) 1.80 each x2 = $3.60 Sony SR 100s (metal) 2.20 each x1 = $2.20 TDK MA-X60s (metal) 2.30 each x1 = $2.30 ----- $8.10 Mailer + postage 4.00 Thus costs look like $12.10. However, if there's no strenuous objections, I'd like to increase that to $15/set to help defray costs on the free sets to contributors: 35 sets x $2.90 extra = $101.50, actual costs will be $121 less some tapes sent that were not by any means all metal tapes. I don't want to penalize contributors who sent tapes that weren't metal if everyone else is getting them too... Reactions? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Apr 3 12:30:13 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 19:30:13 +0200 Subject: HW: TP venues (2nd update) Message-ID: Hi folks Here they are. Most of the venues from the TP boot. More later - Brainstorm: Detroit 18.05.1991 - Paranoia: Tilburg, 12.10.1991 - Down Through The Night: San Francisco 07.10.1989 - You Shouldn't Do That: Boulder 23.04.1995 - Urban Guerilla: Boulder 23.04.1995 -Only Dreamning Cologne 13.11.1994 - Born To Go Sheffield 21.02.1984 - 10 Sec. Of Foreever Sheffield 21.02.1984 - 7 By 7 Brighton 24.04.1992 - Time We Left Brighton 24.04.1992 - Master Of The Universe St.Catherines 17.05.1991 - Be Yourself Tilburg 25.04.1994 - Sonic Attac London 22.04.1988 - Silver Machine Bradford 13.10.1981 - Welcome Boulder 23.04.1995 Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Apr 3 12:30:10 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 19:30:10 +0200 Subject: HW: KOS,LOL Message-ID: Hi The CD was recorded in BOCHUM (Germany) on 08.October.1991 My friend did the original recording but I do not know who made the CD. I stood very close to my friend. You can hear me some times whiste It was not one of HAWKWINDS best gigs I think. A very bad version of NEEDLE GUN but a good SNAKE DANCE version. Bernhard From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 3 18:38:37 1996 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 18:38:37 BST Subject: HW: Assembled trivia -Reply In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Wed, 3 Apr 1996 17:45:41 +0100 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > >> Calvert seemed to be a pretty weird bloke. > > > > One of my pals once phoned him to ask him something and ended up with a > > two hour phone conversation about the First World War. > > Didn't something like this happen the night before the "Over the Top" > gig when one of the band when over to Calverts to try to convince him to > rejoin and ended up in a bewildering conversation about WW1? I recall > reading they had no clue what Calvert was on about, but the chance to > ramble about WW1 pleased Calvert so much that he did to the gig and the > bizarre "Over the Top" resulted ... > and when he turned up at the gig nobody was expecting him and they'd changed the set list so the intro he was expecting to turn into Master of the Universe didn't and things got sorta confused after that! jill peeve> lunar eclipse tonight and another day of solid ten-tenths cloud cover. Where is there a "cloudbuster" when you need it - come back Reich, I've forgiven you at least. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Christopher.Stier at SMTPGATE.LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Wed Apr 3 13:26:21 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at SMTPGATE.LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 13:26:21 -0500 Subject: HW: KOS,LOL Message-ID: >The CD was recorded in BOCHUM (Germany) on 08.October.1991 > >My friend did the original recording but I do not know who made the CD. > >I stood very close to my friend. You can hear me some times whiste > >It was not one of HAWKWINDS best gigs I think. A very bad version of NEEDLE >GUN but a good SNAKE DANCE version. > >Bernhard > Thanks for the info. I'll listen for you next time I listen to it. I do like the version of LSD on it. Slightly different bass line than the later versions. Was this the first time they played it? Chris From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Apr 3 15:20:55 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 15:20:55 -0500 Subject: HW: TP venues (2nd update) In-Reply-To: <199604031730.TAA12626@exit.ruhr.de> from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Apr 3, 96 07:30:13 pm Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > > Hi folks > > Here they are. Most of the venues from the TP boot. More later > > - Brainstorm: Detroit 18.05.1991 > - Paranoia: Tilburg, 12.10.1991 > - Down Through The Night: San Francisco 07.10.1989 > - You Shouldn't Do That: Boulder 23.04.1995 > - Urban Guerilla: Boulder 23.04.1995 > -Only Dreamning Cologne 13.11.1994 > - Born To Go Sheffield 21.02.1984 > - 10 Sec. Of Foreever Sheffield 21.02.1984 > - 7 By 7 Brighton 24.04.1992 > - Time We Left Brighton 24.04.1992 > - Master Of The Universe St.Catherines 17.05.1991 > - Be Yourself Tilburg 25.04.1994 > - Sonic Attac London 22.04.1988 > - Silver Machine Bradford 13.10.1981 > - Welcome Boulder 23.04.1995 Wow, this looks like a pretty good selection... How's the recording quality on this thing? Steve From brentmcd at DEM.EHNR.STATE.NC.US Wed Apr 3 16:22:48 1996 From: brentmcd at DEM.EHNR.STATE.NC.US (Brent C. McDonald) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:22:48 EST Subject: BOC: Forwarded: RE: Sex Pistols Message-ID: > >8. Were the sex pistols right when they said 'no future'? > > No, because they are getting back together. No. There's 'no future' in the reunion, just a reprise of the already-falsified past, (nec)romantic 'punk'. And maybe it's better to see the Pistols do it than to get it from Rancid... The Swindle Continues > > Is this true? Aargh! Do they need the $$ that badly? "when the money dwindles it's time for another swindle" > > Four _(er, ten and counting...)_ relevant comments: > 1. R.I.P. Sid > 2. Rotten = Lydon > 3. the Beatles > 4. the Eagles >5. "Flogging A Dead Horse" >6. "Some Product/Carri on" >7. "ahaha...ever get the feeling you've been cheated? goodnight." > (Johnny Rotten, The Winterland, San Francisco, Jan 14, 1978) 8. Led Zeppelin (Robert Plant!) 9. "milking a dead cow" 10. Pink Floyd (but not Roger Waters!) ------------------------------------------------ 11. BOC ?!?? From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed Apr 3 18:11:26 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 18:11:26 -0500 Subject: HW Cover Project: US postage, costs, etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 04/03/96 at 11:20 AM, Allan T Grohe Jr said: >However, if there's no strenuous objections, I'd like to increase that to >$15/set to help defray costs on the free sets to contributors: 35 sets x >$2.90 extra = $101.50, actual costs will be $121 less some tapes sent >that were not by any means all metal tapes. I don't want to penalize >contributors who sent tapes that weren't metal if everyone else is >getting them too... >Reactions? I have no objections to the $15/set, if it wasn't for the contributors, we wouldn't have them. Do you want the money sent now or aren't you set up to handle that yet? ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed Apr 3 18:16:10 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 18:16:10 -0500 Subject: HW: CD Sale In-Reply-To: <3162179C@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: In <3162179C at volpegate.dot.gov>, on 04/03/96 at 11:01 AM, "Rudich, Robert A" said: >For all you US HW fans looking to fill holes in your HW CD collection, I >see that CD Now (http://cdnow.com) has all the domestic discs on sale and >the 1st five are real cheap (wonder why?). What did you see? I looked yesterday and saw the singles at $27 and the SR for $39. I usually pay around $20-$22 for imports so it didn't seem real cheap to me (about $5 more than I wanted to pay, but I'll probably end up spending it anyway if I can't find them cheaper)....just thought about something, they had the regular versions pretty cheap, but the ones on the HAWKS label aren't. Maybe you were looking at the wrong ones? ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed Apr 3 18:17:44 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 18:17:44 -0500 Subject: HW: CD Sale In-Reply-To: <3162179C@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: In <3162179C at volpegate.dot.gov>, on 04/03/96 at 11:01 AM, "Rudich, Robert A" said: >For all you US HW fans looking to fill holes in your HW CD collection, I >see that CD Now (http://cdnow.com) has all the domestic discs on sale and >the 1st five are real cheap (wonder why?). Oops, I didn't realize you were talking about the domestic ones being cheap in my last message. Sorry bout that. ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Wed Apr 3 19:13:27 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 11:13:27 +1100 Subject: OFF: Calling Chuck and Keith Henderson Message-ID: Hey guys ..... I'm having real problems mailing to you two .... what's up? Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Wed Apr 3 20:15:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:15:00 -0500 Subject: Radio Show Message-ID: Well, the radio show was a great success!! I had a number of calls, especially about Vagtazo. It was great to be able to play music that never gets any airplay at all. I went into the stations vaults before the show and looked around and they did not have anything by most of the bands that I played. Anyway, here is the set list for those interested and if anyone wants a tape of the show, it was about 110 minutes long: Vagtazo Halottkemek- Battle of the Huns from Hammering at the Gates of Nothingness (Hungury 1991) Sundial- North Eastern from Return Journey (UK 1993) Outskirts of Infinity- Gemini Machine from Stoned Crazy (1989) Scylding- Last Battle from Demo 1995 (US-Carl's band) Widows- It's his job (Demo 1996) Architectural Metaphor- Holographic Caves from Boston 3/22/95 Dead Flowers- Altered State Circus from Altered State Circus (UK 1994) Darxtar- Obstakel from Sju (Sweden 1996) Kingston Wall- Could it be So? from Kingston Wall II (Finland 1993) Magic Mushroom Band- Hubbly Bubbly from the Ptolamaic Terrascope MagaZine 7" (1991) Ozric Tentacles- Ohm Riff from Live Ethereal Cereal (UK 1985) White Heaven- Silver Current from the Ptolamaic Terrascope MagaZine 7" (1991) Hawkwind- Electric Tepee, Right to Decide and 7 by 7 from Reading 92' Scylding- Ossian's Way from Demo 1995 Brain Surgeons- Career of Evil from Career of Christmas cassette (1995) Monster Magnet- Nod Scene live from Twin Earth CD single (1993) Count Raven- Children's Holocaust from High on Infinity (sweden 1994) I think that the show may fit on a 90m tape if one leaves out the last set of music, as it is not really in the psychedelic/space rock vein, except for MM. Scott hellers at a1.mgh.harvard.edu Sorry to all who might not find any interest in this... From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Apr 3 21:15:16 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 13:15:16 +1100 Subject: OFF: Calling Keith H Message-ID: Keith, I got your message ... did you get my reply? If not - yes, I got the tapes yesterday .... thanks! I'm doing the HawXtar tapes this weekend, and also the Ozrics and Eloy tape .... but I need to know what Eloy LP's you allready have! Best regards Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Wed Apr 3 22:46:55 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 19:46:55 -0800 Subject: BOC: bad masters In-Reply-To: <50F7A1277C9@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > > I haven't read anything about it in the FAQ (the version I've got, not the > > newest), so it might be new here. A friend of mine bought the CD of ST, > > and saw two versions; one with 'BOC' in red, the other in green. And now > > somewhere during (not sure) Cagey Cretins something went wrong with the > > tapes. Known problem here? > > > > Same thing happened with CC, during (not sure again) Burnin' For You. He > > had to buy a CD single for a correct version. Now I've heard CC has been > > re-issued by a different label in Europe. Does anyone if that one contains > > the correct recording? > > > > Jerry > > Jerry, > I do know that there must be multiple issues of CC here stateside, > 'cause my copy doesn't have any musician credits on it, while others > on BOC-L say their copy does have this info? Wonder how many > incarnations of CC exist. Any idea out there? > theo > I cannot get the faq due to limitations on my free (but stunted) e-mail account through our public library, but does the faq contain a list of releases and their variants? - Passerby in TS From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Wed Apr 3 22:52:20 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 19:52:20 -0800 Subject: Off: Zelazny In-Reply-To: <199604011632.LAA21830@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: > >> > >> I heard a rumor that his son may continue the Amber series... > > > >The first Amber series or the crap one? > > Speak for yourself, at first I didn't like the Merlin series as much, though > I still enjoyed it. With successive readings, though, I have come to > appreciate it more, evenso, than much of the first series. There is much > more subtle forces at work. Yeah, it bogs down a bit in metaphysical > dream matters somewhat at times (especially Knight of Shadows), but > hey, I thought the last one of the first five, 'Courts of Chaos', was by far the > worst of all ten books. I've read them all at least a dozen times now. > > If anyone is interested in a good source of info and/or background stuff > on Amber, I suggest Phage Press's two books, 'Amber DRPG' and > "Shadow Knight', though sourcebooks for a game they contain excellent > info and speculation (one section tries to convince us that Bill Roth was > really Eric (shapeshifting, to boot) all along, as a way to keep tabs on > Corwyn, and now using it to hold an influential position beyond suspicion... It's not like he hasn't used the ruse in the series before (Ganelon), but I think that the odds are he's not. How about an Amber/BOC cross-over type of short story? The series may benefit from "shared-world" treatment. Consider the Man-Kzin Wars. - Passerby PS. Random and Corwin were both Shadow Earth musicians at one time or another . . . From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Wed Apr 3 22:54:26 1996 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 22:54:26 -0500 Subject: Allentown PA Message-ID: I went to Allentown Pa this past weekend (from Buffalo) to see the show at Starz. It was good overall, although the sound wasn't the greatest. The opening band actually had a better mix. Bucks guitar hand no bottom end. I like both Harvest Moon and I'd Like To See You In Black. I was a little dissapointed at the song selection. I would have liked to hear Telepaths, Astronomy, and Perfect Water. I probably will get flammed for this but I could also do without Buck's Boogie. It does nothing for me. The song I was most pleased with has to be Before The Kiss, A Redcap. It sounded so much better this night than on recording. Actually, I only have it on Workshop Of The Telescopes....Is there a better recording of it? From lotbass at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Apr 3 23:08:16 1996 From: lotbass at IX.NETCOM.COM (Mark Mitchum) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:08:16 -0800 Subject: BOC: New album - Eric's comment at Houston show Message-ID: The last 4 times I saw the boys live, Eric mentioned a "new album coming out" "this summer"/"later this year"/"early next year", etc. Well, at the Houston show last month, Eric (while holding back laughter) said they would have a new album coming out sometime "in the future". (sigh) Mark Mitchum lotbass at ix.netcom.com "Someone is the something someone warned someone of" From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Apr 4 00:48:05 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 00:48:05 -0500 Subject: Allentown PA Message-ID: On 3-APR-1996 23:03:33.1 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >I went to Allentown Pa this past weekend (from Buffalo) to see the >show at Starz. It was good overall, although the sound wasn't the >greatest. The opening band actually had a better mix. Bucks guitar >hand no bottom end. I like both Harvest Moon and I'd Like To See You >In Black. I was a little dissapointed at the song selection. I would >have liked to hear Telepaths, Astronomy, and Perfect Water. I >probably will get flammed for this but I could also do without Buck's >Boogie. It does nothing for me. The song I was most pleased with has >to be Before The Kiss, A Redcap. It sounded so much better this night >than on recording. Actually, I only have it on Workshop Of The >Telescopes....Is there a better recording of it? What recording is on Workshop? The one from "BOC"? Well, I love that version, but if it doesn't do much for you, give the one from OYF a shot -- excellent, with nice cymbal work from Al. I also like the one from "Nail You Down". Chuck `[1;30;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 4 08:18:18 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:18:18 -0500 Subject: Allentown PA Message-ID: The song I >was most pleased with has to be Before The Kiss, A Redcap. It sounded so >much better this night than on recording. Actually, I only have it on >Workshop Of The Telescopes....Is there a better recording of it? Well, I like the one from BOC (and WOTT) just fine, but if you liked it live you should definitely check out the OYFOOYK version. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 4 08:26:29 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:26:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: New album - Eric's comment at Houston show Message-ID: Mark observes: >Well, at the Houston show last month, Eric (while holding back laughter) said they would have a new album coming out sometime "in the future". (sigh) Yeah, kinda sad. I'm guessing that the band has now had an album's worth of new material for at least the past 2 years, but presumably are still searching for that elusive record deal. You'd think at this point they'd just release it themselves - do they really expect to make any money off of it by having someone else release it for them, if by the time it's released no-one knows who BOC is? John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 4 08:37:28 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:37:28 -0500 Subject: Allentown PA Message-ID: Joseph Lofft comments on a recent BOC show . . . >Bucks guitar hand no bottom end. The last few times I've seen them, that's been the case (very trebly) - I'd assume that it's the way Buck wants it, as oppossed to being mixed badly. >I would have liked to hear Telepaths, They still do it regularly - you must've caught them on a night that they decided to do something in it's place. >Astronomy, Also still done, although they seem to be doing "Last Days of May" instead more these days -- they do one or the other (or sometimes "Veteran of the Psychic Wars") as they feature an extended Buck solo during the song. >and Perfect Water. Keep dreaming - I don't think BOC has ever done this live, and if so, probably only a few times between '85 and ''86 >I probably will get flammed for this but I could also do without Buck's Boogie. Well, to each his own. This one's been fairly regular in the setlist over the years - sometimes it goes away for awhile, but they always bring it back. I like it, especially when the band is really "on", but as with most of the songs in the setlist, I'd prefer to hear either or new song, or something they haven't done live before (or at least for a long time). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 4 08:41:56 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 08:41:56 -0500 Subject: BOC: bad masters Message-ID: > I cannot get the faq due to limitations on my free (but stunted) e-mail account through our public library, but does the faq contain a list of releases and their variants? Send me private e-mail (jswartz at mitre.org) if you'd like me to e-mail you a copy (if size is the problem, I could send you an older version of the faq which I have split into 7 pieces). As far as a "list of releases and their variants", not exactly. I have listed in the discography all BOC releases, and in the notes I have noted where some variations occur (i.e. "Club Ninja" was released with 3 different mixes, the CD of "Some Enchanted Evening" has a different version of We Gotta Get Out of This Place). John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 4 08:42:52 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 14:42:52 +0100 Subject: HW: April Fool comes late when it's for Hawkwind! Message-ID: Well, he're my April Fool Hawkwind offering--late, but I suppose that's only appropriate for Hawkwind ;) [sorry, couldn't resist the Scylding reference! ;) ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ROCK IMPRESSARIO DIES IN SLASHER SHOCKER Hawkwind to Release Landmark New Album Tour and Movie Deals Follow? London - Last night passersby in London were treated to a gory spectacle as rock impressario Doug Smith was brutally murdered before their amazed eyes. Mr. Smith, best known for his role as long time manager of rock group Hawkwind, was leaving his offices when suddenly beset by a unknown assailant, described only as pale, with long white hair, furry silver boots and an enormous sword. With cries of "You were a thousand times more evil than I" the alleged killer fell upon Mr. Smith and hewed him to pieces before escaping with many a joyful cry. When asked for comment on the abrupt demise of his long-time associate, Dave Brock, leader of the band Hawkwind, seemed strangely refreshed and optimistic. "Yeah, you know Doug was a complete bastard," Mr. Brock was quoted as saying. According to Mr. Brock, the understandable shake-ups within the band cause by the death of their long-time manager have caused them to rethink their musical strategy and as a result they plan to record a new studio album this summer reflecting their radical new outlook. "Yeah," said Mr. Brock, "I think we're going to return to our roots a bit--a more organic sound. I think we've taken the sequencing and techno-derived sound about as far as it can go. We've got to go back to the source and rediscover new directions. By recapturing the cosmic and univeral forces we harnessed on our early material I hope we can define a new Hawkwind sound that will carry us into the 25th century. Er, it is the 25th century we're entering, isn't it?' Mr. Brock had a great deal more to say on this topic, most of it incoherent. According to Alan Davey, bass guitar player for Hawkwind, the demise of Mr. Smith has had many unexpected joyful consequences. "We've patched up our relations with a lot of our old member," says Mr. Davey, "most of whom would have payed good money to thread rusty crowbars through Dougy's major bodily orifaces. On our new album we'll be having guest appearances from Lemmy [Kilmister] and Nik [Turner], though they won't be joining on a permanent basis. Simon [House] will be joining as though, as will Del [Detmar]. Del didn't want to relocate from Canada, but we found a lot of cash Doug [Smith] had stashed in his sock drawer and told Del we'd pay him his back royalties. He's en route to Devon as we speak! We want to get Mike Moorcock to do some guest poetry reading as well." We contacted Mr. Kilmister (aka "Lemmy") at his Los Angeles flat, and he seemed enthusiastic about the project. When asked for comment on Mr. Smith's alleged and as yet unidentified murderer, Mr. Kilmister told us, "[Expletive]! I'll [expletive] have the little [expletive]'s [expletive] baby! [Expletive]!" Mr. Turner could not be reached for comment, but his ansaphone graced us with the sound of a duck being noisily strangled. We were given further information from Mr. Brock on the approach being taken on the new studio project. "Yeah, we're going for the stripped down approach for a really raw and energetic sound, though we'll be recording on state-of-the-art equipment for really high quality sound. We'll do the basic tracks pretty much live in the studio, and then add some overdubs and the guest appearances. Serious blanga! But I'm ridding my guitar rig of the various modern signal processors. It'll be just me and my guitar and my amp. And my fuzzbox. And my wah pedal. And my echo unit. And my phaser. "But we'll be relying totally on Del and Simon for the synths and audio generators. No more sequencers! It was expensive buying software updates for them anyway. Alan and his Rick, Richard and his drums. Plus I'll see if I can find my acoustic guitar--I think the kids' gerbils were nesting in it." According to Mr. Brock the new studio project will be attempting to pick up where the band's legendary _Space Ritual_ extravanganza left off. "We'd like to do a big tour eventually, 'Earth Ritual', which we've planned for a long time. With proper dancers like the old days--not these crappy fire-eaters we've been using! The new studio album will be called _Matter of Terra_ and we'll be using a lot of material inspired by ley lines and stone circles and other cosmic, universal earth magic stuff. "We're hoping we can do the Earth Ritual tour with a bunch of other bands, sort of like that Lollapalooza thing in the States. Yeah. Now that Dougy's kicked it--I mean, sadly departed--we can go tour with the Ozrics, Monster Magnet, Darxtar, Arch Met, Scylding, Sons of Selina... all these great new bands. Of course, we'll put out a double, maybe a triple CD and LP from the tour." Hawkwind's new found energy appears to be drawing them even beyond these ambitious plans. Mr. Brock reveals that Steven Spielberg has approached them to do the title theme and soundtrack for his new Dr. Who movie. "Well, Stevie [Spielberg] is a big fan of course," says Mr. Brock. "And that Doctor guy is really trippy, so, yeah ..." From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Thu Apr 4 11:41:36 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 11:41:36 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: New Brain Sugreon Gigs Message-ID: To All Eastcoasters: tBS have a couple more new gigs to announce. On Monday April 15 we will be playing at the Mercury Loung on Houston Street in NYC at around 9PM. On Saturday April 20 we will be playing at Pearl Street in Northhampton MA. We're supposed to go on at 11PM. The Mercury Lounge show should be interesting because Billy will not be able to play with us that night. We may have a special guest or play some different songs but whatever the case it will be different for us. Also there will be poetry readings (including Douglas Cooper, the Canadian novelist, whose novel, Delerium, is the first to be serialized on the net) in between the bands and there will be a master quilter doing his thing, quilting in a corner of the room for the entire night. Al From eqshw.blauchno at STATE.UT.US Thu Apr 4 10:12:44 1996 From: eqshw.blauchno at STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 09:12:44 -0600 Subject: BOC: New album - Eric's comment at Houston show -Reply Message-ID: >>> Mark Mitchum 04/03/96 10:08pm >>> The last 4 times I saw the boys live, Eric mentioned a "new album coming out" "this summer"/"later this year"/"early next year", etc. Well, at the Houston show last month, Eric (while holding back laughter) said they would have a new album coming out sometime "in the future". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "...and the jokes on you..." Brad L blauchno at state.ut.us From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Apr 4 12:05:21 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 12:05:21 EST Subject: HW: latest HWFB just in Message-ID: Just got in the latest Hawkwind Feedback "Spring 96" from Brian Tawn. Just like it has been the last couple of years, the news gets better and better. Brian says that both Hawkfan 24 and Hawkfan 25 are just about ready, expect them in April. He mentions the EBS Sampler coming out on April 1st (already out?). He says that on April 28th, a HW ep should hit the stands. It contains a studio "Love in Space", plus "Silver Machine", "Alien" (a different version), and possibly "The Demented Man". :-) He mentions the live double-album 'Love In Space' due out on May 7th. He lists the tracks, and says that the vinyl will have the same songs as the CD. NEW: this will also be released on a video! Brian gushes over the new EMI remasters (just ordered mine from Texas, along with the Chaos video). Brian briefly mentions the new "Solstice Remixes" due in June, Alan Davey's solo in July, and another "HW Friends & Relations: Cosmic Travellers" due anytime now (from Anagram). He also plugs a few more items that have already been mentioned here on BOC-L, including the Chaos video, the Chronicles video CD, Nik's "Past or Future" CD, Darxtar's "Sju", and the Butterworth books being sold individually now (sans HW CDs). Finally, Brian says that Mark Exley, 31 Middle Greeve, Wootton, Northampton NN4 6BB will be doing another HW poll similar to the one in Hawkfan a few years ago. Mark is tabulating the results, while Brian will post it in a future Hawkfan. The categories: - 5 favorite albums - least favorite album - fav compilation - 5 fav songs - 3 fav album covers/presentations - 3 fav tours - 3 fav videos - 3 songs from the past you'd like to hear live again Sounds interesting (and familiar...) :-) That's the news from B.T. Send in some dough for those Hawkfan issues! Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObLiveHW: Reading 5/19/92. Thanks Rudy! From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Apr 4 12:27:07 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:27:07 +0200 Subject: HW: KOS,LOL Message-ID: Hello >>It was not one of HAWKWINDS best gigs I think. A very bad version of NEEDLE >>GUN but a good SNAKE DANCE version. >Thanks for the info. I'll listen for you next time I listen to it. I do >like the version of LSD on it. Slightly different bass line than the later >versions. Was this the first time they played it? I agree the LSD version was good but a few days later they played a much better version in Tilburg on 12.10.1991 LSD was for the 1st time played on 05.10.1991 in BERLIN Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Apr 4 12:27:09 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:27:09 +0200 Subject: HW: TP venues (2nd update) Message-ID: Hi there >> >> - Brainstorm: Detroit 18.05.1991 >> - Paranoia: Tilburg, 12.10.1991 >> - Down Through The Night: San Francisco 07.10.1989 >> - You Shouldn't Do That: Boulder 23.04.1995 >> - Urban Guerilla: Boulder 23.04.1995 >> -Only Dreamning Cologne 13.11.1994 >> - Born To Go Sheffield 21.02.1984 >> - 10 Sec. Of Foreever Sheffield 21.02.1984 >> - 7 By 7 Brighton 24.04.1992 >> - Time We Left Brighton 24.04.1992 >> - Master Of The Universe St.Catherines 17.05.1991 >> - Be Yourself Tilburg 25.04.1994 >> - Sonic Attac London 22.04.1988 >> - Silver Machine Bradford 13.10.1981 >> - Welcome Boulder 23.04.1995 > >Wow, this looks like a pretty good selection... How's the recording >quality on this thing? Very different. The Boulder tracks are very good, also the London and Cologne tracks. The other tracks are OK. Only the Sheffield tracks have not a good quality but listenable Bernhard From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Thu Apr 4 13:00:05 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 12:00:05 -0600 Subject: OFF: new spacey offerings from groovy/dub In-Reply-To: <9603282010.AA29180@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> Message-ID: recently i picked up two real cool albums from the radio station the first is: GROOVY -the rebith of retro cool this is really groovy to say the least is it a mix of space rock/ 70's funk and some disco but comes across as smooth as dark side of the moon i've listened to this a few times and it really takes you places. the dance influences make you wanna bounce around a bit. they are from austrailia and the main guy -dan burke is involved in a band called illusion of safety and another member thymme jones is in a progressive band called Cheer Accident? anyone ever heard of these they are on complacency label. if interested check their web site of the U.S. distributer extreme. http://www.xtr.com/extreme/ the other album is a two cd dub compilation called Planet Dub it features familiar bands like astralasia and eat static but also a ton more that i've never heard of like full moon scientist( i like these guys a lot) this album is not traditional roots reggae but more of the reggae style electronic stuff that ozric tentacles and hawkwind pull off. it looks like all the bands are coming out of the english scene. this music is very high resonse with the bass beats sounding like they'll never hit bottom and then swirrly sounds echoing all around. it really got me spaced when i put it on last night. for mor info contact: woof distribution P.O. box 1580 london N1 2JA England or e-mail us distributer: pdog at mammoth.com or info at mammoth.com -=mike psyche From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Apr 4 15:42:05 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 15:42:05 -0500 Subject: Now Playing Message-ID: I just got my new Dell computer set up. Now playing Palace Springs. Just noticed tracks 3 and 4 are listed in the wrong order Martyn From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 4 15:58:25 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 15:58:25 EST Subject: Why is this man laughing? Message-ID: > Mark observes: > > >Well, at the Houston show last month, Eric (while holding back > laughter) said they would have a new album coming out sometime "in the > future". > > (sigh) > > > Yeah, kinda sad. I'm guessing that the band has now had an album's > worth of new material for at least the past 2 years, but presumably > are still searching for that elusive record deal. You'd think at this > point they'd just release it themselves - do they really expect to make > any money off of it by having someone else release it for them, if by > the time it's released no-one knows who BOC is? > > John I guess there are two ways of looking at it. Maybe it's good that Eric can at least keep up the pretense of humor over no new BOC album. Better that than dwelling in melancholy. On the other hand, one can also see it as a sardonic joke, that he's laughing at us for keeping our hopes up for so long. Not a very pleasant prospect. Maybe they don't release the material they've saved up [which looks to amount to a slim album unless they plan on filling it out with some jamming or possibly throwing in an old castoff like 'Wings of Mercury'] because they fear [quite legitimately, I'm afraid] that it may meet with the same reception as 'Club Ninja' [for the same reasons, I'm also afraid]. I've said it again and again: they need to forget the possibility of radio airplay. The few BOC songs that made it as popular hits, did so in spite of themselves. Rather than lukewarm tunes that pander to radio-land, the BOC would be better off in releasing some real bone-crushing heavy stuff. Roll the dice and take their chances on fan loyalty from the old guard. There's still enough of us out there, and they might even rope in a few young metalheads. Forget my usual pessimism--BOC is still a formidable force to be reckoned with. The playing skills and the art of presentation still exist. BOC needs some truly dynamic songwriting. If they can't do it themselves anymore without Albert's input [I always seem to evoke Coleridge's imagery here] then find it elsewhere. There are probably a few songwriters out there who would GIVE them a song or two [probably the only way EB would take a song anyway!] just to see them back on their feet. The ironic thing is, if todays young headbangers could be transported bgack to the 70s to a BOC concert, they'd be instant lifelong converts. Dudes, be true to your heritage. Give US what we want, forsake the radio/MTV wasteland. Play it, and they will come... theo From jguizar at EPIX.NET Thu Apr 4 16:08:27 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 16:08:27 -0500 Subject: OFF: new spacey offerings from groovy/dub In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 04/04/96 at 12:00 PM, Michael P Mccollum said: >recently i picked up two real cool albums from the radio station the >first is: > GROOVY -the rebith of retro cool >this is really groovy to say the least is it a mix of space rock/ 70's >funk and some disco but comes across as smooth as dark side of the moon >i've listened to this a few times and it really takes you places. the >dance influences make you wanna bounce around a bit. >they are from austrailia and the main guy -dan burke is involved in a >band called illusion of safety and another member thymme jones is in a >progressive band called Cheer Accident? anyone ever heard of these they >are on complacency label. if interested check their web site of the U.S. >distributer extreme. >http://www.xtr.com/extreme/ I haven't heard of either of them, just got a Robert Rich CD today that was put out on the extreme label. He's more ambient than anything else though. Guess I'll have to see what else they have on the web page. ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From Christopher.Stier at SMTPGATE.LEXIS-NEXIS.COM Thu Apr 4 16:29:16 1996 From: Christopher.Stier at SMTPGATE.LEXIS-NEXIS.COM (Stier, Christopher) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 16:29:16 -0500 Subject: Remasters Message-ID: Well, once again behind the times for me but I finally got my remasters, haven't listened to them yet but got them in my grubby little hands. Beautiful packaging is sure an understatement! Man, I do love the smell of brand new digi-pak! Chris From stayer at PI.NET Mon Apr 1 01:18:49 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 22:18:49 PST Subject: OFF: Porcupine Tree in Baltimore Message-ID: Hi Folks >Day I Day II >Fourth Estate (USA) Boud Deun (USA) >Iluvatar (USA) Braindance (USA) >Miriodor (Canada) Roine Stolt (Sweden) >Porcupine Tree (UK) Mystery Band? Iluvatar are an American progressive rock band (well, it seems to me all bands are progressive rock bands). Most songs are in 'neo-prog' style (the genre Twelfth Night and the likes started, and Marillion made popular). Same accounts for Roine Stolt - he made a solo album called 'The Flower King', and his new band is called 'The Flower King'. I assume the new band will be playing. Don't expect PTree to fit this category. And, except for PTree, I haven't heard of the other bands. >at one point Pendragon was contacted I thought so too, but I don't know for sure. I won't be there, so I didn't pay too much attention. Sorry. Jerry From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Apr 4 17:26:05 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 15:26:05 -0700 Subject: Farmington Review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > > > BLUE OYSTER CULT > > Survivor > > Georgia Satellites > > > > McGee Park Coliseum > > Farmington, NM > > 96-03-23 > > > > > > Stairway To The Stars > > Dr. Music > > ETI > > Before The Kiss, A Redcap > > Buck's Boogie > > Cities On Flame > > Last Days Of May > > Burnin' For You > > Godzilla > > Don't Fear The Reaper > > > > The Red & THe Black > > > > > > > > Although I love the intimacy of small clubs, It was great to see BOC in a > > large venue again. The McGee Park Coliseum holds about 5,000, but approx- > > imately 2,500 were in attendance. It is also interesting to point out that > > there were ALOT of teenagers at this show. But what else is there to do in > > Farmington on a Saturday night, right? > > > > We arrived at the venue quite early (5:30PM), which Jean always seems to > > find somewhat annoying. She understands that BOC is and has always been > > my favorite band, so she puts up with alot of my "nerdiness" because she > > loves me. There were no floor seats in the venue. Instead, the arena > > floor was covered with dirt and a double chain-link fence stretched right > > down the middle which separated the alcohol section form the non-alcohol > > sections. A pretty cool idea if you stop to think about it; the party- > > goers can go nuts and the under 21 crowd can go nuts. Alot of older > > fans brought their sons and daughters to the show and sat at the non-al- > > coholic section, which I thought was cool. "Now kids, let your Ma & I > > show you what a REAL rock band sounds like!!!". > > > > > > The set was rather short, but the energy level was high and they look- > as though they were having a great time. John O'Rielly seems to be gett- > ing into the groove more these days, and Danny Miranda just keeps getting > better and better. I hope that Danny stays with the band for a long time. > > > > After the show, we were able to get backstage and hung out with Buck, > Eric, and some fanclub members that came all the way from CA and AZ to > > see the show. Allen was wandering around the stage looking spaced out > as always after the show. Perhaps he dropped or lost something? > > > > I never tire of seeing BOC live. We may get into heated arguments > over why no new CD has been out yet, or how "terrible" they have been > to former members. However, BOC can still rock better than just about > > any band out there. And besides, it's only rock and roll, and I like > it..... > > Manuel > > Jean Delacour > > University of New Mexico > > Parish Library > > Alb, NM 87131-1496 > > delacour at unm.edu From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Thu Apr 4 19:47:37 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 16:47:37 -0800 Subject: BRAIN: New Brain Sugreon Gigs Message-ID: At 11:41 AM 4/4/96 -0500, you wrote: >To All Eastcoasters: > >tBS have a couple more new gigs to announce. On Monday April 15 we will be >playing at the Mercury Loung on Houston Street in NYC at around 9PM. On >Saturday April 20 we will be playing at Pearl Street in Northhampton MA. >We're supposed to go on at 11PM. Hey, what about us Westcoasters? I asked this a few days ago but I'll ask again.. Is there likely to be a west coast tour any time in the future? I can guarantee at least I and about 20 of my pals would attend any show in L.A or points south. Haven't caught you live since the BOC arena glory days... _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Thu Apr 4 19:54:16 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 16:54:16 -0800 Subject: BOC: Lyric credits Message-ID: Hiya.. I have a question, possibly for Al if he's listening.. In the quote that I use in my sig (see below), if I were to attribute the quote, what would be most correct; BOC? A. Bouchard? S. Perleman? (sp?) I quote the line because I think its the best, most haunting line in any BOC tune that I know of.. and it makes non-fans wonder about my sanity.. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Apr 4 20:04:31 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 20:04:31 -0500 Subject: Off: Zelazny Message-ID: In a message dated 96-04-01 11:49:41 EST, you write: >Speak for yourself, at first I didn't like the Merlin series as much, though >I still enjoyed it. With successive readings, though, I have come to >appreciate it more, evenso, than much of the first series. There is much >more subtle forces at work. Yeah, it bogs down a bit in metaphysical >dream matters somewhat at times (especially Knight of Shadows), but >hey, I thought the last one of the first five, 'Courts of Chaos', was by far >the > worst of all ten books. I've read them all at least a dozen times now. i couldn't agree with you more. rj From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Apr 4 20:04:34 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 20:04:34 -0500 Subject: Off: Zelazny Message-ID: In a message dated 96-04-01 12:34:44 EST, you write: >What we really want though is a "Live Chronicles" type Hawkwind album >based on the Amber books. Maybe if we write some lyrics and send 'em to >Brock... that would most likely be a go. last i heard,dave was fairly desperate for lyrics.... rj From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Thu Apr 4 20:15:43 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 17:15:43 -0800 Subject: Why is this man laughing? Message-ID: At 03:58 PM 4/4/96 EST, someone wrote: >I guess there are two ways of looking at it. Maybe it's good that >Eric can at least keep up the pretense of humor over no new BOC >album. Better that than dwelling in melancholy. On the other hand, >one can also see it as a sardonic joke, that he's laughing at us for >keeping our hopes up for so long. Not a very pleasant prospect. I may' ve mentioned this before but at the New Years show in San Juan Capistrano, Ca., I spoke (in the dark!) to the guitar tech and he told me that a new album had actually been recorded and was 'ready to go' but had not been released yet due to (he didn't say.. label search? Your guess is as good as mine..) I don't know how close the guy was to the band, I assumed he was their regular guitar guy but who knows.. Maybe he was either feeding me a line or was just plain full of sh*t.. You decide. >reasons, I'm also afraid]. I've said it again and again: they need >to forget the possibility of radio airplay. The few BOC songs that >made it as popular hits, did so in spite of themselves. Rather than >lukewarm tunes that pander to radio-land, the BOC would be better off >in releasing some real bone-crushing heavy stuff. Roll the dice and >take their chances on fan loyalty from the old guard. There's still Amen brother.. and if the new stuff was up to snuff, it would eventually take off given half a chance. I believe the talent is still there.. The creativity may be another story. >enough of us out there, and they might even rope in a few young >metalheads. Forget my usual pessimism--BOC is still a formidable >force to be reckoned with. The playing skills and the art of >presentation still exist. BOC needs some truly dynamic songwriting. >If they can't do it themselves anymore without Albert's input [I >always seem to evoke Coleridge's imagery here] then find it >elsewhere. There are probably a few songwriters out there who would >GIVE them a song or two [probably the only way EB would take a song >anyway!] just to see them back on their feet. The ironic thing is, >if todays young headbangers could be transported bgack to the 70s to >a BOC concert, they'd be instant lifelong converts. Dudes, be true >to your heritage. Give US what we want, forsake the radio/MTV >wasteland. Play it, and they will come... I don't think they should try to pander to the young metal crowd either. I mean, their main audience has got to be over thirty.. Besides, I find the though of 40+ year olds playing to a bunch of screaming teenagers rather pathetic (witness one Ozzy Osbourn). I think the best bet would be for them to make music that THEY like and that they enjoy playing (not forgetting their roots of course). Any craft, be it music, fiction, stand up comedy.. is always best when its created by the artist FOR the artist and not with dollar signs in mind. If they did this and it turned out good, it would most likely be succesful, if it wasn't good then maybe they've had it after all... _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Apr 4 20:22:51 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 19:22:51 -0600 Subject: HW: Coleman has questions Message-ID: Mike Coleman has been busy as heck this week, what with the remasters and plenty of other stuff. However, he has questions about 2 things: 1) This is the first time Mike has heard of this, apparently from a guy in Finland, but supposedly there is a 10" called "Shot Down In the DARK". does anybody here have *any* idea what this is? 2) "Cosmic Jokers" (NOT the band of the same name!) - Rumors about this U.S. boot have been circulating for quite some time. Apparently it has songs from a number of different bands, one of which is Hawkwind; but nobody who has heard of it seems to have a clue what the track listing is and how to get the LP. Anything specific would be appreciated both by myself and of course by Mike Coleman. Thanks, Damon Capehart | "Snot is running down his nose." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | - Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Apr 5 00:48:44 1996 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 00:48:44 -0500 Subject: BOC: Lyric credits Message-ID: Sandy Pearlman wrote the lyrics to Subhuman, which were taken (in whole or in part) from an unfinished novel he'd written in the 1960s (like most of Pearlman's early lyrics). At least, that's what Bolle Gregmar's told me... SET From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Apr 5 04:26:09 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 20:26:09 +1100 Subject: NIK: Japan? Message-ID: I heard a rumour this week that Nik is currently doing a tour of Japan! Of all places ..... Does anyone know how true this is? So near .... and yet so far - I can almost smell him! ;^) Paul/Soniqu=E9 -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Apr 5 04:26:08 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 20:26:08 +1100 Subject: HW: Remasters. Message-ID: On 2 Apr 96 Carl E. Anderson wrote about Re: HW: Remasters.: > > A higher advertising profile might have been more helpful (a few > > cardboard cutouts on record shop counters across the country perhaps? = or > > several thousand bright yellow stickers screaming "DIGITALLY REMASTERE= D > > - SUPERB SOUND QUALITY" on the front of each?) but that I'd guess is > > EMI's decision not Hawkwind's. > > And if the decision _had_ been Hawkwind's Doug Smith would > have probably blocked it ;) ;^) Well, by some strange co-incidence or other, I received a fax from DS this week which states (including poor grammar): "With regard to the re-mastering and the re-packaging of the EMI product please be aware both the band and myself have been the very involved in the the project, that's just for record. EMI track record on Hawkwind stuff has been to say the least appalling." ? And Jill: Hawkdisc *is* Doug Smith Enterprises .... Paul/Soniqu=E9 -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 5 06:37:23 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:37:23 +0100 Subject: BOC: Lyric credits In-Reply-To: <199604050054.QAA11122@ns.connectnet.com> from "Joseph Brooks" at Apr 4, 96 04:54:16 pm Message-ID: > Hiya.. I have a question, possibly for Al if he's listening.. > In the quote that I use in my sig (see below), if I were to attribute the > quote, what would be most correct; BOC? A. Bouchard? S. Perleman? (sp?) I > quote the line because I think its the best, most haunting line in any BOC > tune that I know of.. and it makes non-fans wonder about my sanity.. Just non-fans? ;) _ > | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish > | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's > |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." My educated guess is S. Pearlman. I think he wrote most of the lyrics at the time, or at least was primarily responsible for the lyrics on songs with a credit to him. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 5 06:41:17 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:41:17 +0100 Subject: NIK: Japan? In-Reply-To: <199604050721.RAA00654@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> from "Assassin Sonique" at Apr 5, 96 08:26:09 pm Message-ID: > I heard a rumour this week that Nik is currently doing a tour of > Japan! Of all places ..... Does anyone know how true this is? > > So near .... and yet so far - I can almost smell him! > ;^) Actually, I can't really recommend that ... ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 5 06:43:24 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:43:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Remasters. In-Reply-To: <199604050721.RAA00652@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> from "Assassin Sonique" at Apr 5, 96 08:26:08 pm Message-ID: > Well, by some strange co-incidence or other, I received a fax from DS > this week which states (including poor grammar): > "With regard to the re-mastering and the re-packaging of the EMI > product please be aware both the band and myself have been the very > involved in the the project, that's just for record. EMI track record > on Hawkwind stuff has been to say the least appalling." Well, heck, if Brock and Co. have actually been listening to the tapes etc. maybe the will remember how to make a proper sounding HW album after all ..... naaaaaah :P CHeers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 5 07:24:20 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 13:24:20 +0100 Subject: HW: latest HWFB just in In-Reply-To: <9604041205.A14849@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Apr 4, 96 12:05:21 pm Message-ID: > Sounds interesting (and familiar...) :-) That's the news from B.T. > Send in some dough for those Hawkfan issues! Does anyone one have info on how to subscribe to Brian Tawn's stuff? Cheers, Carl From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Apr 5 07:46:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 07:46:00 EST Subject: BRAIN: Upcoming gig songs Message-ID: Looking forward to catching at least one of the upcoming April gigs. Are the Surgeons planning to debut any of the new material live yet? You should be able to recapture the magic of the recent recording sessions. Of course, this is from a guy still looking forward to hearing "I Play the Drums" live (and maybe the addition of "Stones in my Passway"). How long a set is planned for Pearl St in Northampton? The distinctive demographics in the area may make "Sally" a big hit because of its ambiguity. Rudy From kenneth.drew.3 at ND.EDU Fri Apr 5 08:22:09 1996 From: kenneth.drew.3 at ND.EDU (Ken Drew) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 08:22:09 -0500 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock CD Message-ID: Has anyone got the track listing for the "new" BOC (compilation) CD entitled Champions of Rock (from Holland)? I bought the J. Giels one and it is very good since it has One LAst Kiss and Sanctuary on it as well as Concealed Weapons. Just curious if the BOC title has some goodies on it...... KEN (kdrew at nd.edu) ----------------------------------------------------------- *The Beat Farmers : WWW page at: * *http://www.ucsd.edu/sdam/artists/bf/ * *Webb Wilder : check these guys out! * ----------------------------------------------------------- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Apr 5 10:48:32 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:48:32 EST Subject: Why is this man laughing? Message-ID: > > I may' ve mentioned this before but at the New Years show in San Juan > Capistrano, Ca., I spoke (in the dark!) to the guitar tech and he told me > that a new album had actually been recorded and was 'ready to go' but had > not been released yet due to (he didn't say.. label search? Your guess is as > good as mine..) I don't know how close the guy was to the band, I assumed he > was their regular guitar guy but who knows.. Maybe he was either feeding me > a line or was just plain full of sh*t.. You decide. > He may have been full of shit, but even so, the band's been playing several 'new' songs live for quite some time now. Even if they're not completely CD-ready, they doubtless exist in an advanced demo form and need only be polished. Even if not, they've been playing these songs for so long, it wouldn't be much of a project to get them ready for release. They could even throw in the stuff from 'Bad Channels,' which is already completed. > > >reasons, I'm also afraid]. I've said it again and again: they need > >to forget the possibility of radio airplay. The few BOC songs that > >made it as popular hits, did so in spite of themselves. Rather than > >lukewarm tunes that pander to radio-land, the BOC would be better off > >in releasing some real bone-crushing heavy stuff. Roll the dice and > >take their chances on fan loyalty from the old guard. There's still > > Amen brother.. and if the new stuff was up to snuff, it would eventually > take off given half a chance. I believe the talent is still there.. The > creativity may be another story. > > > >anyway!] just to see them back on their feet. The ironic thing is, > >if todays young headbangers could be transported bgack to the 70s to > >a BOC concert, they'd be instant lifelong converts. Dudes, be true > >to your heritage. Give US what we want, forsake the radio/MTV > >wasteland. Play it, and they will come... > > I don't think they should try to pander to the young metal crowd either. I > mean, their main audience has got to be over thirty.. Besides, I find the > though of 40+ year olds playing to a bunch of screaming teenagers rather > pathetic (witness one Ozzy Osbourn). I think the best bet would be for them Right. That's not what I meant. I Think that the youngsters would like old-style BOC stuff. [Hey I (we) was (were) young when I first heard BOC and was blown away by them]. First and foremost, they should play the stuff that endeared them to their original fans. I believe, with a really strong record, they would acquire many new converts. 'Course, the problem is that much of that dynamite old material resulted from Albert's creativity. They desperately need some transfusion of new creative blood. I think there's a problem of 1) Denial of Albert's contribution. It's a lot easier to rip someone off if you deny his talents/contributions to the band. Minimize his role in BOC and it's more palatable to abuse the guy. 2) Maybe they think they can do it on their own, that they posess enough creativity to mount such a production. Good luck there! The musicianship certainly isn't lacking. There isn't a guitarist out there who can evoke the emotion of a Buck Dharma. But he needs good material to accompany his amazing playing. Playing/singing ability aside, the band needs SONGS to play. > to make music that THEY like and that they enjoy playing (not forgetting > their roots of course). Any craft, be it music, fiction, stand up comedy.. > is always best when its created by the artist FOR the artist and not with > dollar signs in mind. > Right on there! Once you start 'going through the motions' it's all over. A feeling one gets after listening to 'Club Ninja.' Hey, maybe they're just burned out, and creatively dry. These dudes have been doing this for 25 years. Anyone's entitled to loose their edge after all these years of constatnt touring. Maybe Jeff Beck's got the right idea: make a record every once in a while, tour every five years whether you want to or not, keep the fans' sense of anticipation up, and don't burn yourself up. 'Course you'll drive a lot of people nuts in the procsess... > If they did this and it turned out good, it would most likely be succesful, > if it wasn't good then maybe they've had it after all... > _ Quite right indeed! theo > | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish > | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's > |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." > From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Apr 5 10:52:38 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:52:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: Lyric credits In-Reply-To: <199604050054.QAA11122@ns.connectnet.com> from "Joseph Brooks" at Apr 4, 96 04:54:16 pm Message-ID: Joseph Brooks writes: > > Hiya.. I have a question, possibly for Al if he's listening.. > > In the quote that I use in my sig (see below), if I were to attribute the > quote, what would be most correct; BOC? A. Bouchard? S. Perleman? (sp?) I > quote the line because I think its the best, most haunting line in any BOC > tune that I know of.. and it makes non-fans wonder about my sanity.. > _ > | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish > | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's > |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." That line (and the one immediately following) always sent chills down my spine, too. It's Pearlman's lyric, though Al may have dinked with it to make it fit the music better... Shortcomings and all, Pearlman certainly had his moments of brilliance. Other lyricists should have half so many. Steve From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Apr 5 10:58:31 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:58:31 EST Subject: Farmington Review Message-ID: > > > > > > Although I love the intimacy of small clubs, It was great to see BOC in a > > > large venue again. The McGee Park Coliseum holds about 5,000, but approx- > > > imately 2,500 were in attendance. It is also interesting to point out that > > > there were ALOT of teenagers at this show. But what else is there to do in > > > Farmington on a Saturday night, right? > > > I'd give anything to see BOC in a stadium again. It's where they belong, all right. I go to a few Allmans shows every year, and there are always a lot of kids in attendance. I think the youngsters will go see just about anyone, just to go to a concert. But kids are also pretty open-minded. It's surprising that they don't simply dismiss older rockers as dinosaurs. Good for them! BTW, how did the kids respond to BOC? > > > > > > The set was rather short, but the energy level was high and they look- > > as though they were having a great time. John O'Rielly seems to be gett- > > ing into the groove more these days, and Danny Miranda just keeps getting > > better and better. I hope that Danny stays with the band for a long time. > > > > Too bad for the short set. I hate to see that, esp. since they had a chance to really wail in front of a good-sized crowd. Seems like a dumb strategy to me... > > > After the show, we were able to get backstage and hung out with Buck, > > Eric, and some fanclub members that came all the way from CA and AZ to > > > see the show. Allen was wandering around the stage looking spaced out > > as always after the show. Perhaps he dropped or lost something? > > > What kind of spirits were the guys into, er..., in? Did they seem pleased to be doing a large gig again? > > > I never tire of seeing BOC live. We may get into heated arguments > > over why no new CD has been out yet, or how "terrible" they have been > > to former members. However, BOC can still rock better than just about > > > any band out there. And besides, it's only rock and roll, and I like > > it..... > > > > Manuel > > No argument over that at all. My constant griping is largely based in sadness over BOC's decline as a top touring act, and the lack of new records. No mistake, they are one righteous rock band. Eric's still got the look, the attitude, the voice and the showmanship. Buck can still lay waste to entire arenas with his incredible playing (and singing). Allen is a master of spooky keyboard tones, and he fits BOC perfectly. I'm not too familiar with the rhythm dudes, but I'm sure they can more than handle the job. There's no rock band I'd rather see, still after almost 30 shows... theo From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Apr 5 11:21:27 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:21:27 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Upcoming gig songs In-Reply-To: <31648CE6@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Apr 5, 96 07:46:00 am Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > > Looking forward to catching at least one of the upcoming April gigs. Are > the Surgeons planning to debut any of the new material live yet? They already have! They've played "Date With My Guitar" a couple of times, and although I missed the Maxwell's show a couple weeks back, Pete Bohevsky told me that they played "St. Vitus' Dance" there. If you missed my rundown of the new songs, "St. Vitus' Dance" (not a comver of the Sabbath tune!) is a great heavy rocker that really *moves*. "Date With My Guitar" is power pop of the "Medusa" variety, although it exchanges the drama of that tune for more forward momentum and hard- biting, catchy guitar riffs. It's a terrific song, clearly destined to be a concert favorite. > should be able to recapture the magic of the recent recording sessions. Of > course, this is from a guy still looking forward to hearing "I Play the > Drums" live (and maybe the addition of "Stones in my Passway"). How long a > set is planned for Pearl St in Northampton? The distinctive demographics in > the area may make "Sally" a big hit because of its ambiguity. "I Play the Drums" always comes across well, because even in a venue with poor sound, the rythmical nature of the song causes it to always come through loud and clear. That makes it easy for the audience to catch the groove... and the band really gets into it, too. Great concert tune. Steve From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 5 12:10:44 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:10:44 -0500 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock CD Message-ID: Informed sources say that BOC's "Champions of Rock" is nothing more than a re-packaged "Cult Classic". I'm picking up the disk any, collector that I am -- if there's anything different on it (I should have the disk in another week or 2), I'll let the list know. John From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Apr 5 14:11:22 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:11:22 -0500 Subject: Farmington Review Message-ID: In a message dated 96-04-05 11:08:03 EST, Ted O. Jackson writes: >> The set was rather short, but the energy level was high and they look- >> as though they were having a great time. John O'Rielly seems to be getting >> into the groove more these days, and Danny Miranda just keeps getting >> better and better. I hope that Danny stays with the band for a long time. > >Too bad for the short set. I hate to see that, esp. since they had a >chance to really wail in front of a good-sized crowd. Seems like a >dumb strategy to me... As I understand, they were scheduled for a regular (close to 2 hours) show. However, one of the other bands ran long and cut into BOC's set. R. From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Apr 5 14:25:03 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:25:03 -0500 Subject: Timeless Paeans bootleg In-Reply-To: <199604041727.TAA22501@exit.ruhr.de> from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Apr 4, 96 07:27:09 pm Message-ID: Ok, so Bernhard gives the recording quality mixed reviews. That means that I don't have a clear fix on whether to get this or not. So I have some further questions. The '84 Born To Go. Is that a Huw Llyoyd Langton speed metal [tm] rendition? :-) The '81 Silver Machine. Is that done in the same general style as the (sadly foreshortened) "Silver Machine (Requiem)" from Live '79? Is Time We Left the hard-driven guitar version, or the sing-song version, like from Palace Springs? Thanks for the info. -Steve Bernhard Pospiech writes: > > Hi there > > >> > >> - Brainstorm: Detroit 18.05.1991 > >> - Paranoia: Tilburg, 12.10.1991 > >> - Down Through The Night: San Francisco 07.10.1989 > >> - You Shouldn't Do That: Boulder 23.04.1995 > >> - Urban Guerilla: Boulder 23.04.1995 > >> -Only Dreamning Cologne 13.11.1994 > >> - Born To Go Sheffield 21.02.1984 > >> - 10 Sec. Of Foreever Sheffield 21.02.1984 > >> - 7 By 7 Brighton 24.04.1992 > >> - Time We Left Brighton 24.04.1992 > >> - Master Of The Universe St.Catherines 17.05.1991 > >> - Be Yourself Tilburg 25.04.1994 > >> - Sonic Attac London 22.04.1988 > >> - Silver Machine Bradford 13.10.1981 > >> - Welcome Boulder 23.04.1995 > > > >Wow, this looks like a pretty good selection... How's the recording > >quality on this thing? > > Very different. The Boulder tracks are very good, also the London and > Cologne tracks. The other tracks are OK. Only the Sheffield tracks have not > a good quality but listenable > > > Bernhard > From torgo at NORWICH.NET Fri Apr 5 15:08:11 1996 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Robert Sedler) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 15:08:11 -0500 Subject: BOC: Doing without it. Message-ID: A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, someone said THIS and lived to tell about it............. >I probably will get flammed for this but I could also do without Buck's Boogie. BLASPHEMY!! For shame!! Just HOW can you......... ....actually I feel the same way. Bucks Boogie, for me, has always been kind of "just there". I've never been a big instrumental fan for the most part anyways. But the problem with Bucks Boogie is that it's....well.... it's a boogie! The few insrumentals I do really dig need more of a batman style "BIF! POW!" delivery, and Boogie just sorta boogies along at it's own pace. Plus the title sorta bugs me. I mean, yeah buck IS just a boogie'ing right along, but a name like "Gamera is Missing" is just cooler. I know BB is a fave, and it IS a good song, just not worth doing wind sprints over. "Thong, the fish is ready!" - Ator the fighting eagle Torgo has left the building...... torgo at norwich.net From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Apr 5 17:46:49 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 17:46:49 -0500 Subject: NIK: Japan? Message-ID: In a message dated 96-04-05 06:48:27 EST, you write: > I heard a rumour this week that Nik is currently doing a tour of >> Japan! Of all places ..... Does anyone know how true this is? >> I am pretty sure this is correct. Some promoters offered Nik big bucks for this tour or festival (not sure what the arrangement is). He is suppose to be touring with the Annubian Lights line-up. regards, Bill Stewart From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Apr 5 18:23:21 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 16:23:21 -0700 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ken; Champions of Rock is simply Cult Classic rereleased in Europe. The cover is a group photo from around 76-77, and it is on the Discky Label. As a collector of all BOC CDs, I had to get it. But if you already have CC, then save your money. There are no suprizes on this one. God bless Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Apr 5 18:32:07 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 16:32:07 -0700 Subject: Farmington Review In-Reply-To: <572451F6E55@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: Theo; The guys were, according to Ed Tierney, "pumped" for the show. The kids were really getting into it, especially during Godzilla. I think that perhaps I Like To See You In Black would have gone down well that evening, and we could have seen a mosh pit from the kids. After the show Eric & Buck were in a fine mood. We spoke about guitars, UFOs, and BBQs for awhile, but they were obviously tired from the long trip to Farmington, NM. Danny was enjoying himself and very talkative while John seemed to be kkeping to himself while chain-smoking. And as for Allen, well that guy must have lost something because he kept looking all over the stage after the show. Later.... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Apr 5 18:34:36 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 16:34:36 -0700 Subject: Farmington Review In-Reply-To: <960405141120_463179564@mail04> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Apr 1996 Rocker22 at AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 96-04-05 11:08:03 EST, Ted O. Jackson writes: > > >> The set was rather short, but the energy level was high and they look- > >> as though they were having a great time. John O'Rielly seems to be > getting > >> into the groove more these days, and Danny Miranda just keeps getting > >> better and better. I hope that Danny stays with the band for a long > time. > > > >Too bad for the short set. I hate to see that, esp. since they had a > >chance to really wail in front of a good-sized crowd. Seems like a > >dumb strategy to me... > > As I understand, they were scheduled for a regular (close to 2 hours) show. > However, one of the other bands ran long and cut into BOC's set. > > R. > Yes. Unfortunately, Survivor was on stage TOO long and they did cut into BOC's stage time. Also, Farmington has a strict curfew for teenagers, so the boys had to get off by midnight. Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Fri Apr 5 20:45:55 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 17:45:55 -0800 Subject: Why is this man laughing? Message-ID: At 10:48 AM 4/5/96 EST, you wrote: >He may have been full of shit, but even so, the band's been playing >several 'new' songs live for quite some time now. Even if they're >not completely CD-ready, they doubtless exist in an advanced demo >form and need only be polished. Even if not, they've been playing >these songs for so long, it wouldn't be much of a project to get them >ready for release. They could even throw in the stuff from 'Bad >Channels,' which is already completed. No way for me to know. EB wouldn't talk to me and there were too many people around Buck.. I shoulda asked Allen.. I was sitting within 6 feet of him.. >> I don't think they should try to pander to the young metal crowd either. I >> mean, their main audience has got to be over thirty.. Besides, I find the >> though of 40+ year olds playing to a bunch of screaming teenagers rather >> pathetic (witness one Ozzy Osbourn). I think the best bet would be for them > >Right. That's not what I meant. I Think that the youngsters would >like old-style BOC stuff. [Hey I (we) was (were) young when I first >heard BOC and was blown away by them]. First and foremost, they >should play the stuff that endeared them to their original fans. I >believe, with a really strong record, they would acquire many new >converts. No, I understood what you meant.. I just don't think they should try to be what they were in the 70's. Instead, they should build on those roots and do something perhaps a little more mature.. (not that I consider the good old stuff immature, in fact, I find it very sophisticated for its time.) They've been around the block, age has hopefully brought wisdom.. If I were them, I'd build on the heavy, odd-ball BOC tradition with something that perhaps had a little more thought behind it. If they do another "Club Ninja", I give up. > 'Course, the problem is that much of that dynamite old >material resulted from Albert's creativity. They desperately need >some transfusion of new creative blood. I think there's a problem of >1) Denial of Albert's contribution. It's a lot easier to rip someone >off if you deny his talents/contributions to the band. Minimize his >role in BOC and it's more palatable to abuse the guy. 2) Maybe they >think they can do it on their own, that they posess enough creativity >to mount such a production. Good luck there! The musicianship >certainly isn't lacking. There isn't a guitarist out there who can >evoke the emotion of a Buck Dharma. But he needs good material to >accompany his amazing playing. Playing/singing ability aside, the >band needs SONGS to play. I agree.. Its too bad but it seems that without the Pearlman/Bouchard equation, BOC is just doesn't have that wonderful, sinister feel. As far as the apparent anomosity between AB and the rest of the band I will say only this: Thanks a shit-load BOC-L! I think I liked it better when I didn't know about any of these band politics, when I just figured that the missing BOC'ers had just grown tired of touring or got married or took up some wierd eastern religion or something. Learning some of the truth for me was akin to looking behind the wizard of Oz's curtain. It killed my the last vestige of my vision of BOC as Guitar gods, mysterious bringers of alien music.. I've been a fan for over 20 years, was 14 when I first saw 'em in '74.. I prefer to put on OYFOOYK, look at the inside cover (where they're all playing guitar and looking so.. evil?). Damn, growing up sucks sometimes... And boy am I rambling... >Right on there! Once you start 'going through the motions' it's all >over. A feeling one gets after listening to 'Club Ninja.' Hey, >maybe they're just burned out, and creatively dry. These dudes have >been doing this for 25 years. Anyone's entitled to loose their edge I'm starting to fear that this is indeed the case.. Too bad they don't stick their heads in here once in a while. (and hey, Eric, dood, if you're out there.. Whats with the haircut? You look like Charles Manson fer cryin' out loud..) _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Fri Apr 5 20:58:19 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 17:58:19 -0800 Subject: BOC: Doing without it. Message-ID: At 03:08 PM 4/5/96 -0500, you wrote: >A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, someone said THIS and lived to >tell about it............. > >>I probably will get flammed for this but I could also do without Buck's Boogie. > >BLASPHEMY!! For shame!! Just HOW can you......... If he's talking about the studio version, I agree. It sounds very..., homogenized. However, the live version (on OYFOOYK) is one of my favorites. I can remember seeing them do it live like it was yesterday. Question for all you BOC historians: Was Buck's Boogie one of the songs that they did the 5 guitar bit on? I seem to recall that they did but my wife says they only did that on COF. Did they do it only on a particular song or did they do it on several different tunes? It was a long time ago and memory gets hazy but I think they did it on a number of songs like ME262, COF, Buck's Boogie, Born to be Wild (by the way, I can't stand the studio BTBW either..) > >....actually I feel the same way. Bucks Boogie, for me, has always been kind >of "just there". I've never been a big instrumental fan for the most part >anyways. But the problem with Bucks Boogie is that it's....well.... it's a >boogie! The few insrumentals I do really dig need more of a batman style >"BIF! POW!" delivery, and Boogie just sorta boogies along at it's own pace. >Plus the title sorta bugs me. I mean, yeah buck IS just a boogie'ing right >along, but a name like "Gamera is Missing" is just cooler. Boy, you guys got it all wrong [grin]. Next to the lyrics and Buck's guitar work, the long drawn out jams were one of the things that I always loved (and miss in the 90's) most about the band. Of course, I also like the Grateful Dead, Phish and Blues Traveler and other long jamming bands.. I have a tape of Phish with a 55 minute "Tweezer". _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Fri Apr 5 22:33:21 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 22:33:21 -0500 Subject: BOC: Doing without it. Message-ID: At 03:08 PM 4/5/96 -0500, was written: >Question for all you BOC historians: Was Buck's Boogie one of the songs that >they did the 5 guitar bit on? I seem to recall that they did but my wife No, never. >says they only did that on COF. Did they do it only on a particular song or Wrong band, 5 guitars has only been in Cities with the Brain Surgeons. >did they do it on several different tunes? It was a long time ago and memory >gets hazy but I think they did it on a number of songs like ME262, COF, >Buck's Boogie, Born to be Wild (by the way, I can't stand the studio BTBW We did it in between MaserattiGT and BTBW, ME262 and BTBW, and in GAOL and ILTN. "So Ladies, Fish and Gentlemen, here's my angled dream..." Credit where credit's due, Pearlman's Lyrics for "Blue Oyster Cult" are unmodified in any way. In "Subhuman" they were edited by Bloom but he added nothing, just took out good stuff IMHO. Albie From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Fri Apr 5 22:33:29 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 22:33:29 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: New Brain Sugreon Gigs Message-ID: Hey Joe: >Hey, what about us Westcoasters? I asked this a few days ago but I'll ask >again.. Is there likely to be a west coast tour any time in the future? I >can guarantee at least I and about 20 of my pals would attend any show in >L.A or points south. Patience my friend, we will come to the West Coast when we're ready. You have to understand that this band has been together for less than two years and we're just now geting our thing together. We're at the point where we're starting to figure out what we have to do to be good every night. I may have all the experience in the world but the rest of us are still pretty green. David Hirschberg has never been in a band before. This is only Pete's third or fourth band. Deborah's only been in a few bands and never for more than six months. We're now at the point where we've played more shows than most of the people in our band have ever done before, myself withstanding. We'll get there and in the meantime we're gonna try to give everybody something new to listen to while we get our show together. Al From wildcat at PRYSM.NET Fri Apr 5 23:49:13 1996 From: wildcat at PRYSM.NET (Jonathan M Thompson) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 22:49:13 CST Subject: Hawkwind: Lyrics Please! Message-ID: I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get lyrics for Hawkwind's Warrior on the Edge of Time and Cronicle of the Black Sword (Griffin Release) Thanks in advance., Jonathan Thompson SCA: Jonathan MacAilpein wildcat at prysm.net Resident member of the SCA, SCV, and Starfleet. Keeper of the Battletech Mailing List email btech at prysm.net to subscribe Babylon 5 the last, best hope for Science Fiction television From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat Apr 6 01:51:48 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 08:51:48 +0200 Subject: Timeless Paeans bootleg Message-ID: Hi >The '84 Born To Go. Is that a Huw Llyoyd Langton speed metal =D5tm=FE >rendition? :-) It's just the normal version (very fast) they played during the tour >The '81 Silver Machine. Is that done in the same general style as the >(sadly foreshortened) "Silver Machine (Requiem)" from Live '79? The bootleg version is much better. FASTER and LONGER. You'll like it!! >Is Time We Left the hard-driven guitar version, or the sing-song version, >like from Palace Springs? The boot version is different to the PS version. You can find here a longer intro and better guitar-riffs Bernhard From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Sat Apr 6 02:21:01 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 23:21:01 -0800 Subject: BOC: Lyric credits Message-ID: At 12:48 AM 4/5/96 -0500, you wrote: >Sandy Pearlman wrote the lyrics to Subhuman, which were taken (in whole or in >part) from an unfinished novel he'd written in the 1960s (like most of >Pearlman's early lyrics). At least, that's what Bolle Gregmar's told me... Actually, it was really a no-brainer on my part.. Later in the afternoon after posting it, I realized that all I had to do was look at the damn CD! And yes, it says... Wait a minute! It says: -S. Pearlman - E. Bloom !? Hmmm Mysteriouser and mysteriouser... That was on the Imaginos CD.. Lemme go get ST... It says -E. Bloom - S. Pearlman- Go figure.. I thought fer sher that it was an A. Bouchard tune.. He's singing on the Imaginos version, right? (and Eric sings the ST version). I'd be very curious to know what EB did on the song... If Pearlman wrote the lyrics, who wrote the music? If it was Al, you'd think he'd at least get a writing credit on the ST version. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Sat Apr 6 02:21:03 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 23:21:03 -0800 Subject: BOC: Lyric credits Message-ID: At 12:37 PM 4/5/96 +0100, you wrote: >> Hiya.. I have a question, possibly for Al if he's listening.. >> In the quote that I use in my sig (see below), if I were to attribute the >> quote, what would be most correct; BOC? A. Bouchard? S. Perleman? (sp?) I >> quote the line because I think its the best, most haunting line in any BOC >> tune that I know of.. and it makes non-fans wonder about my sanity.. > > Just non-fans? ;) Well, you got me there. Anyway, except for in here, 99% of people haven't the slightest idea where the quote came from. I actually had the following conversation: Co-Worker: "Whats that you're singing?" Me: "Its Blue Oyster Cult" Co-Worker: "Isn't that that Japanese band that did that Godzilla song?" > My educated guess is S. Pearlman. I think he wrote most of the >lyrics at the time, or at least was primarily responsible for the lyrics on >songs with a credit to him. As I wrote in another message.. Yup.. It says so right on the CD.. Coulda saved myself some typing there.. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Sat Apr 6 02:31:17 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 23:31:17 -0800 Subject: BRAIN: New Brain Sugreon Gigs Message-ID: At 10:33 PM 4/5/96 -0500, you wrote: >Hey Joe: (Where are you going with that gun in your hand..) >Patience my friend, we will come to the West Coast when we're ready. You >have to understand that this band has been together for less than two years >and we're just now geting our thing together. We're at the point where >we're starting to figure out what we have to do to be good every night. I >may have all the experience in the world but the rest of us are still >pretty green. David Hirschberg has never been in a band before. This is >only Pete's third or fourth band. Deborah's only been in a few bands and >never for more than six months. We're now at the point where we've played >more shows than most of the people in our band have ever done before, >myself withstanding. We'll get there and in the meantime we're gonna try to >give everybody something new to listen to while we get our show together. Thanks for the info. If you replied the first time I asked, I missed it. Having been in several garage and 1 local club band, I know how hard it is to get things going even on that scale. Trying to put up an actual tour must be nightmarish at best. I wasn't aware of the experience level of the other band members.. Well, I wish you success and figure that if I hang around here long enough, I'll hear about a tour if/when one happens.. I'm very curious about the Surgeons. I've yet to find either CD around here. I'm going to have to break down & mail order I guess. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Sat Apr 6 02:46:21 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 23:46:21 -0800 Subject: BOC: Doing without it. Message-ID: At 10:33 PM 4/5/96 -0500, you wrote: >At 03:08 PM 4/5/96 -0500, was written: > >>Question for all you BOC historians: Was Buck's Boogie one of the songs that >>they did the 5 guitar bit on? I seem to recall that they did but my wife > >No, never. Ack! Memory Error: (A)bort (R)etry (D)o funny stuff > >>says they only did that on COF. Did they do it only on a particular song or > >Wrong band, 5 guitars has only been in Cities with the Brain Surgeons. So I was wrong.. at least she was too. :> >>did they do it on several different tunes? It was a long time ago and memory >>gets hazy but I think they did it on a number of songs like ME262, COF, >>Buck's Boogie, Born to be Wild (by the way, I can't stand the studio BTBW > >We did it in between MaserattiGT and BTBW, ME262 and BTBW, and in GAOL and ILTN. At least I was in the ballpark here (as I hopelessly wrack my brain trying to figure out what GAOL and ILTN are, all the while knowing that when I figure it out I'll feel like a doofus..). Sheesh, I saw you guys enough times, you'd think I'd remember. > > "So Ladies, Fish and Gentlemen, here's my angled dream..." > >Credit where credit's due, Pearlman's Lyrics for "Blue Oyster Cult" are >unmodified in any way. In "Subhuman" they were edited by Bloom but he added >nothing, just took out good stuff IMHO. Artistic liscence? I used to piss off the guitarist in one of my bands regularly because I'd change or leave out parts of his lyrics because, for me, it was easier to sing. I never actually wrote down my changes, just sang 'em that way. "No, Joe, it goes like THIS..." I've been at this machine WAY too long today. I'm going to bed.. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 5 12:12:45 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 18:12:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Remasters. In-Reply-To: <199604050721.RAA00652@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: In message <199604050721.RAA00652 at hyme.pcmicro.com.au>, Assassin Sonique=20 writes >Well, by some strange co-incidence or other, I received a fax from DS >this week which states (including poor grammar): > >"With regard to the re-mastering and the re-packaging of the EMI >product please be aware both the band and myself have been the very >involved in the the project, that's just for record. EMI track record >on Hawkwind stuff has been to say the least appalling." > > >Paul/Soniqu=E9 > Well, could you ask him why there's no WotEoT! --=20 Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Apr 6 07:10:11 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 13:10:11 +0100 Subject: BOC: Doing without it. In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Apr 5, 96 10:33:21 pm Message-ID: > Credit where credit's due, Pearlman's Lyrics for "Blue Oyster Cult" are > unmodified in any way. In "Subhuman" they were edited by Bloom but he added > nothing, just took out good stuff IMHO. Gee, you should have put the good stuff back in on _Imaginos_! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Apr 6 10:24:32 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 10:24:32 -0500 Subject: BOC: Doing without it. Message-ID: > "So Ladies, Fish and Gentlemen, here's my angled dream..." > >Credit where credit's due, Pearlman's Lyrics for "Blue Oyster Cult" are >unmodified in any way. In "Subhuman" they were edited by Bloom but he added >nothing, just took out good stuff IMHO. Cool. The Imaginos version works better anyways. The song was titled BOC first and later done as Subhuman, right? Which name came first, the song's name or the band's name? Just wondering, do you think that PEARLman's name had anything to do with using an OYSTER name? =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Apr 6 10:24:34 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 10:24:34 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind: Lyrics Please! Message-ID: >I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get lyrics for Hawkwind's >Warrior on the Edge of Time and Cronicle of the Black Sword (Griffin Release) Well, my Chronicle of the Black Sword (Griffin) has most of the lyrics printed in it mixed in with some nicely stylish artwork. It doesn't have everything, but "Live Chronicles" has every tune on there, and all the lyrics (except 'Elric the Enchanter' part I, which is reduced to a spoken couple lines. But that song has it's full lyrics printed in the Griffin CotBS. That was one of my favorite songs, so on my tapes I alternate between Live and CoTBS... >Resident member of the SCA, SCV, and Starfleet. well, vivat the dream >Babylon 5 the last, best hope for Science Fiction television Yep, it is getting quite good. Sometime in the future people will look back to now and realize en masse what they had here. You could do a dozen good SF songs based on the show, easily. I'd already want to see one done on "Shadows".... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Apr 6 10:24:29 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 10:24:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: Doing without it. Message-ID: >Question for all you BOC historians: Was Buck's Boogie one of the songs that >they did the 5 guitar bit on? I seem to recall that they did but my wife >says they only did that on COF. Did they do it only on a particular song or >did they do it on several different tunes? It was a long time ago and memory >gets hazy but I think they did it on a number of songs like ME262, COF, >Buck's Boogie, Born to be Wild (by the way, I can't stand the studio BTBW >either..) I have a tape (Live '1976) in which they do it on "This ain't the summer of love"... I know ME-262 had it done as well. The FAQ goes into more detail on this... =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Apr 6 10:35:33 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 10:35:33 -0500 Subject: BOC: Doing without it. Message-ID: >>We did it in between MaserattiGT and BTBW, ME262 and BTBW, and in GAOL and >ILTN. > >At least I was in the ballpark here (as I hopelessly wrack my brain trying >to figure out what GAOL and ILTN are, all the while knowing that when I >figure it out I'll feel like a doofus..). Sheesh, I saw you guys enough >times, you'd think I'd remember. "Golden Age of Leather" from Spectres "I Love the Night", also from Spectres In penance listen to the album five times through. Some of my favorite "other"tunes are on there, especially "Fireworks", "Celestial the Queen", and "Nosferatu". Incidentally, if you like "Nosferatu", the name was used in White Wolf's Vampire: The Masquerade game as one of the Vampire clans (the name predates the song, of course. It also predates the 1920's vampire film of the same name). Anyways, the game's source material is being used in Fox's "Kindred: The Embraced". This show, which isn't entirely true to the source material (vampires move about too much in the sunlight, for starters), does have the clan structure present (though the Gangrel act like Brujah, and the Brujah act like mobsters). There is one particularly nasty Nosferatu. Nosferatu are typically disfigured, but specialize in not being seen. =================================== Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Sat Apr 6 12:00:32 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 09:00:32 -0800 Subject: BOC: Doing without it. Message-ID: At 10:35 AM 4/6/96 -0500, you wrote: >>>We did it in between MaserattiGT and BTBW, ME262 and BTBW, and in GAOL and >>ILTN. >> >>At least I was in the ballpark here (as I hopelessly wrack my brain trying >>to figure out what GAOL and ILTN are, all the while knowing that when I >>figure it out I'll feel like a doofus..). Sheesh, I saw you guys enough >>times, you'd think I'd remember. > > Ouch! > >"Golden Age of Leather" from Spectres >"I Love the Night", also from Spectres That explains it. Spectres was never one of my favorite BOC albums. Its probably the one I listen to least along with FOUO, RBN & CN. > >In penance listen to the album five times through. Some of my favorite >"other"tunes are on there, especially "Fireworks", "Celestial the Queen", >and "Nosferatu". Ok, I will, I will. >Incidentally, if you like "Nosferatu", the name was used in White Wolf's >Vampire: The Masquerade game as one of the Vampire clans (the name predates >the song, of course. It also predates the 1920's vampire film of the same >name). Anyways, the game's source material is being used in Fox's "Kindred: >The Embraced". This show, which isn't entirely true to the source material >(vampires move about too much in the sunlight, for starters), does have the >clan structure present (though the Gangrel act like Brujah, and the Brujah >act like mobsters). There is one particularly nasty Nosferatu. Nosferatu >are typically disfigured, but specialize in not being seen. Thanks for the back ground. I always thought Nosferatu was the german word for vampire. Personally, I like Brian Lumely's Wamphyri! vampires best. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From StevenTice at AOL.COM Sat Apr 6 16:10:00 1996 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:10:00 -0500 Subject: BOC: Lyric credits Message-ID: Concerning Subhuman, though Eric Bloom is given sole credit for the music, Bolle Gregmar has told me that Albert Bouchard actually contributed quite a bit to the song, but that credits for songs in the early days were often only partially correct. Of course, AB can hopefully confirm this. I personally love Albert's voice on the Imaginos version of that song, which makes me wish I could have heard his versions of the rest of the material on that album. When I first heard Blue Oyster Cult, I thought, "My God! It's Subhuman, but with the rest of the sentences there!" It seems as if Eric took whatever sentence fragments tickled his fancy when arranging the original, so I was shocked by how much sense the song actually made when I got Imaginos! SET From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sat Apr 6 17:49:39 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 17:49:39 -0500 Subject: NIK: Japan? Message-ID: > >In a message dated 96-04-05 06:48:27 EST, you write: > >> I heard a rumour this week that Nik is currently doing a tour of >>> Japan! Of all places ..... Does anyone know how true this is? >>> > > I am pretty sure this is correct. Some promoters offered Nik big bucks for >this tour or festival (not sure what the arrangement is). He is suppose to be >touring with the Annubian Lights line-up. >regards, >Bill Stewart > > Ok, so who's gonna volunteer to go over there and get a tape of the show? Duane -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." Rusted Root From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sat Apr 6 17:58:34 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 17:58:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Encyclopedia of Rock Message-ID: Hello all Hawkfriends, I ran across a book in the library called The Encyclopedia of Rock, written by a couple of idiots by the name of Phil Hardy and Dave Laing. I was mildly surprised to see Hawkwind listed in this book, but I was very disappointed in the write-up they recieved. These guys are obviously not very knowledgeable about HW, and I must say, quite biased and opinionated in there writings. Here is a reprint of the article. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HAWKWIND Originally called Group X, Hawkwind emerged in 1970 from London's Ladbroke Grove, the nearest thing in Britain to a hippie ghetto. X became Hawkwind Zoo, then plain Hawkwind when their manager Doug Smith signed them to United Artists. Formed by Dave Brock (guitar, vocals) the original lineup included Huw Lloyd Langton (guitar), Terry Ollis (drums), Nick (later Nik) Turner (saxaphone), Dave Anderson (bass), and Dikmik (electronics). The band became known as regulars on the free festival circuit and the first album (Hawkwind, 1970) was unimpressive. But the following year, poet and writer Bob Calvert joined the ensemble and inspired Hawkwind's space-rock persona on In Search of Space (1971), and their surprise hit single 'Silver Machine' (1972). Various personnel changes occured as Hawkwind consolidated a large, youthful following on both sides of the Atlantic. Langton, Ollis, and Anderson left, with Lemmy Kilminster (bass), Simon King (drums), and Del Detmar (electronics) joining. The statuesque Stacia eventually became a permanent fixture as a dancer, while in 1974 Dikmik and Calvert departed, the latter to follow a solo career. The next year Lemmy was fired: he then formed Motorhead, a hard rock band whose lack of prowess was reminiscent of the early Hawkwind. Further tours and albums (e.g. Hall of the Mountain Grill, 1974) saw Hawkwind continuing in their time-warp, their anachronistic image and pulp scifi material appealing to teenage audiences unfamiliar with flower- power and all its trappings. Warriors on the Edge of Time featured the voice of science-fiction writer Michael Moorcock and Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music (1976) - their first after leaving United Artists for Charisma - was their last before a major reshaping of personnel that left the band's line-up reading: Brock, Calvert, (who had returned on a temporary basis), King, Adrian Shaw (bass), and Simon House (keyboards). The album Quark, Strangness, and Charm (1977) followed before Brock disbanded Hawkwind and formed a new outfit, Hawklords, with Calvert. 25 Years On (1978) was released before friction forced Calvert out for good. A new Hawkwind emerged in Sept. 1979, consisting of Brock, King, Harvey Bainbridge (bass), Huw Lloyd Langton, and Tim Blake (keyboards). In many ways a hippie hangover, the band maintained a sizeable following into the Eighties with releases like Choose Your Masques (1982) and Independents Day (1984). They have at least to some extent adjusted to the modern world in their lyrics and presentation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ There you have it, hope it does't piss too many of you off. I find that there are many unecessary negative comments in this, as it should be factual if the book it is in calls itself an encyclopedia, and there should not be bias written into this article. I seriously doubt that the author of this has ever taken his head out of his ass long enough to listen to much, if any of the music we all agree is the best around. Duane OBCD: Lords of Acid - Voodoo U -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." Rusted Root From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Apr 6 20:00:47 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 12:00:47 +1100 Subject: HW: Remasters. Message-ID: On 5 Apr 96 Jon Browne wrote about Re: HW: Remasters.: > >Well, by some strange co-incidence or other, I received a fax from DS > >this week which states (including poor grammar): > > > >"With regard to the re-mastering and the re-packaging of the EMI > >product please be aware both the band and myself have been the very > >involved in the the project, that's just for record. EMI track record > >on Hawkwind stuff has been to say the least appalling." > > > Well, could you ask him why there's no WotEoT! Yeah .. OK -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET Sun Apr 7 01:09:01 1996 From: jmlofft at BUFFNET.NET (Joseph M. Lofft) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 01:09:01 -0500 Subject: BOC: Top 10 favorite tunes Message-ID: Just thought I'd get a bit of a poll going. Here are my top 10, in no particular order.... 1. Perfect Water (this is my absolute favorite) 2. Astronomy (original version, the production on Imaginos is much beter but musically I like the original he best) 3. Flaming Telepaths 4. I Am The One You Warned Me Of 5. In The Presence Of Another World 6. The Siege And Investiture Of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle At Weisseria 7. E.T.I. 8. Veteran Of The Psychic Wars 9. Take Me Away 10. Cities On Flame Any Comments????? From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Apr 7 07:24:22 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 12:24:22 +0100 Subject: NIK: Japan? In-Reply-To: <199604062249.AA08983@freenet> from "Duane Hoyt" at Apr 6, 96 05:49:39 pm Message-ID: > >> I heard a rumour this week that Nik is currently doing a tour of > >>> Japan! Of all places ..... Does anyone know how true this is? > > > > I am pretty sure this is correct. Some promoters offered Nik big bucks for > >this tour or festival (not sure what the arrangement is). He is suppose to be > >touring with the Annubian Lights line-up. > > Ok, so who's gonna volunteer to go over there and get a tape of the show? There used to be a Japanese Hawkfan on the list a few years back-- anyone know where he went? Hope he catches the show, wherever he and it may be ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Apr 7 07:33:48 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 12:33:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Encyclopedia of Rock In-Reply-To: <199604062258.AA09212@freenet> from "Duane Hoyt" at Apr 6, 96 05:58:34 pm Message-ID: >From the 'Encyclopedia of Rock' > The next year Lemmy was fired: he then formed > Motorhead, a hard rock band whose lack of prowess was reminiscent of the > early Hawkwind. Gee, I can tell these guys are really up on their rock history ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From torgo at NORWICH.NET Sun Apr 7 08:17:28 1996 From: torgo at NORWICH.NET (Robert Sedler) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 08:17:28 -0400 Subject: BOC: Top 10..... again Message-ID: "Joseph M. Lofft" SAID: >Just thought I'd get a bit of a poll going. Here are my top 10, in no >particular order.... OK, here are mine. I know last year I said I couldn't narrow it down to ten, but the way my head feels this morning I just don't care..... :^) Torgo's top ten (in no particular order after the first two).. The Revenge Of Vera Gemini The Vigil Divine Wind Before the Kiss, A RedCap Astronomy (74 version) Golden Age of Leather Heavy Metal: Black & Silver Shooting Shark In The presence of another world Then came the last days of May Remember, this could all change tomorrow... and probably will. Torgo has left the building...... torgo at norwich.net From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Sun Apr 7 10:39:35 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 10:39:35 EDT Subject: HW: Roadhawks remaster? Message-ID: God kvall ( good afternoon for non Swedes)! Next in line from EMI Premier should be a remastered "Roadhawks" with 4-5 bonus-tracks (previously unrelesed of course), what do you think about this idea? Perhaps we should contact EMI and tell them what we want (the customer is always right)? This one is for Duane - concerning at trip to Japan, me and Joe would love to but we've alredy seen Nik ( and taped the gig), so if someone else could do it this time OK! :-))))) . "We were born to go / As far as we can fly / Turn electric dreams / Into reality..." Cheers HawkSwede From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Sun Apr 7 11:35:32 1996 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 11:35:32 -0400 Subject: BOC and AOL ? Message-ID: I signed up for an AOL trial membership - and I heard there was some BOC related material and activities. Could someone be so kind to briefly descibe what those services are and how to get to them. Many thanks, Shawn From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Sun Apr 7 12:19:05 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 12:19:05 -0400 Subject: BOC: Top 10..... again Message-ID: At 08:17 AM 4/7/96 -0400, you wrote: >"Joseph M. Lofft" SAID: > >>Just thought I'd get a bit of a poll going. Here are my top 10, in no >>particular order.... Ok, I'll play.. These are in semi order.. Blue Oyster Cult Harvester of Eyes The Vigil The Great Sun Jester Black Blade Mistress of the Salmon Salt Flaming Telepaths Dominance & Submission ETI Transmaniacon M.C. And while we're at it.. How 'bout your top 5 albums? Here's mine: Secret Treaties Tyranny & Mutation Mirrors Cultosaurus Erectus Imaginos (would be first except for the fact that we've discovered that its not really a true BOC album) _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From wildcat at PRYSM.NET Sun Apr 7 13:30:49 1996 From: wildcat at PRYSM.NET (Jonathan M Thompson) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 12:30:49 CDT Subject: BOC: Top 10 favorite tunes Message-ID: >Just thought I'd get a bit of a poll going. Here are my top 10, in no >particular order.... > >1. Perfect Water (this is my absolute favorite) >2. Astronomy (original version, the production on Imaginos is much beter > but musically I like the original he best) >3. Flaming Telepaths >4. I Am The One You Warned Me Of >5. In The Presence Of Another World >6. The Siege And Investiture Of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle At Weisseria >7. E.T.I. >8. Veteran Of The Psychic Wars >9. Take Me Away >10. Cities On Flame > >Any Comments????? > For me it would have to be 1. Workshop of the Telescopes 2. Astronomy (Imaginios Version) 3. ETI 4. Me 262 5. Veteran of the Psychic Wars 6. Heavy Metal: Black and Silver 7. Sole Survivor 8. I am the one you warned me of 9. Magna of Illusion 10. In the Presence of another world Since I am using one per number a couple that I would have out on the list that rank up there too Flaming Telepaths The Siege and Investure... Black Blade My least Favorite is The Marshall Plan. Jonathan Thompson SCA: Jonathan MacAilpein wildcat at prysm.net Resident member of the SCA, SCV, and Starfleet. Keeper of the Battletech Mailing List email btech at prysm.net to subscribe Babylon 5 the last, best hope for Science Fiction television From wildcat at PRYSM.NET Sun Apr 7 13:32:33 1996 From: wildcat at PRYSM.NET (Jonathan M Thompson) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 12:32:33 CDT Subject: BOC: Top 10..... again Message-ID: >Imaginos (would be first except for the fact that we've discovered that its >not really a true BOC album) Of course being new to the group I have a dumb question. How is it not a true BOC Album? Jonathan Thompson SCA: Jonathan MacAilpein wildcat at prysm.net Resident member of the SCA, SCV, and Starfleet. Keeper of the Battletech Mailing List email btech at prysm.net to subscribe Babylon 5 the last, best hope for Science Fiction television From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Apr 7 14:06:58 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:06:58 +0100 Subject: HW: Roadhawks remaster? In-Reply-To: <960407143934_100522.44_JHB64-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Henrik Hallgren" at Apr 7, 96 10:39:35 am Message-ID: > Next in line from EMI Premier should be a remastered "Roadhawks" with 4-5 > bonus-tracks (previously unrelesed of course), what do you think about this > idea? > Perhaps we should contact EMI and tell them what we want (the customer is always > right)? What are they thinking, remastering _Roadhawks_? It's primarily a compilation anyway! If they really have some extra tracks just put them on some nice new compilation--release the Weird Tapes with extra material on CD! Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Apr 7 14:20:41 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:20:41 +0100 Subject: BOC: Top 10..... again In-Reply-To: <9604071732.AA18851@pti.prysm.net> from "Jonathan M Thompson" at Apr 7, 96 12:32:33 pm Message-ID: > >Imaginos (would be first except for the fact that we've discovered that its > >not really a true BOC album) > > Of course being new to the group I have a dumb question. > How is it not a true BOC Album? At the risk of bringing this thread back again, I'll say briefly that it was mostly Al's solo project which then got "polished up" to release as a BOC album. Even more briefly, get the FAQ (wherever it is!) and read the whole story on the making of _Imaginos_ there ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Apr 7 14:24:22 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 19:24:22 +0100 Subject: BOC: Siren Disc ordering? Message-ID: Has anyone else been able to get in contact with Siren Disc, which John S. posted about their having the Mike Watt CDS with "Dominance & Submission"? (please excuse the appalling grammar there ...) I sent them email asking for confirmation that they'd sell me this a few weeks back but haven't heard from them since ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From HWillman at AOL.COM Sun Apr 7 18:25:20 1996 From: HWillman at AOL.COM (HWillman at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 18:25:20 -0400 Subject: BOC: Top 10..... again Message-ID: In a message dated 96-04-07 14:24:06 EDT, you write: > At the risk of bringing this thread back again, I'll say briefly >that it was mostly Al's solo project which then got "polished up" to >release as a BOC album. Even more briefly, get the FAQ (wherever it is!) >and read the whole story on the making of _Imaginos_ there ... The "whole story" very subjective in this context! There's a lot not (and perhaps shouldn't be) printed in the FAQ that's part of the story, some of which has been explained on this list. I'm still dismayed. Regardless of who did it (or didn't do it), it's a fine album. -- Howard From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Sun Apr 7 23:09:23 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 1996 23:09:23 -0400 Subject: BOC: Top 10..... again Message-ID: At 12:32 PM 4/7/96 CDT, you wrote: >>Imaginos (would be first except for the fact that we've discovered that its >>not really a true BOC album) > >Of course being new to the group I have a dumb question. > >How is it not a true BOC Album? Rather than beat a dead horse here.. I will point you towards John's BOC FAQ which should answer most of your questions. You can get the latest revision at the BOC-L FTP site I believe.. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Apr 8 06:57:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 06:57:00 EDT Subject: HW: Timeless Paeans Comments Message-ID: Steve, a couple comments on this boot. The sound changes so much from cut to cut that I may make a tape of it and try to equalize things a bit more. My biggest comment is that the maker (same as Nova Drive) may have tried to jam too many songs on it. He has 15 and "Welcome to the Future" could have been cut without losing any real substance. The reason for this is some of the very abrupt ends to songs, almost in mid note sometimes. "Silver Machine" ends at a really poor spot (guitars churning) and it is a really good version. With the extra time he could have extended a few songs and done some fading. He uses a 74 minute recordable CD as the medium and 73:30 or so are used. The minute and 1/2 saving with 14 songs could have made things much better if used right. Some of \\joe's left channel pops in one song too. They are digitally clean sounding. The editing skill level would be my biggest fault. It does have some good stuff on it though and as a taper myself, gives me a sampler of the results other people achieve. As far as a buy recommendation, if you don't have these tapes, why not. Or, if you'd like to trade a tape of something for it ..... Rudy Hoping to tape HW myself someday From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Mon Apr 8 09:06:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:06:00 -0500 Subject: Nik and Japan Message-ID: I asked my pepal in japan who is involved in the music business there and this is what she had to say: Scott> I have heard that Nik Turner from the band Hawkwind will be Scott> playing in japan. DO you know anything about this?? I heard he or HAWKWIND has played few gigs in Tokyo area after the show was finished. This tour was very low-key one and I had not seen any advetisement for it. I don't know why. Maybe Japan is not the good market for them??? That is all that I know??? Scott ObCD- The Moor- Every Pixies tells a Story (sweden) From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Apr 8 08:10:24 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:10:24 -0400 Subject: HW: Encyclopedia of Rock Message-ID: >Hello all Hawkfriends, > > I ran across a book in the library called The Encyclopedia of >Rock, written by a couple of idiots by the name of Phil Hardy and Dave Laing. Just for completeness sake, could you list the "BOC" entry also? +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Apr 8 08:10:26 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:10:26 -0400 Subject: BOC: Top 10..... again Message-ID: 'salright, in sort of order: 1. Flaming Telepaths (none of these are the CC versions) 2. Before the Kiss, a Redcap (BOC version) 3. Astronomy (SEE version) 4. The Great Sun Jester 5. Veteran of the Psychic Wars (ETL version) 6. Magna of Illusion 7. Redeemed 8. The Revenge of Vera Gemini 9. Death Valley Nights 10. Take Me Away there's at least a half dozen more that I want to squeeze in here... albums? okay... Blue =D6yster Cult Spectres Secret Treaties Imaginos Mirrors +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had= power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being= accused Chancellor of being corrupted= since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Mon Apr 8 08:30:28 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:30:28 EDT Subject: OFF: GONG Message-ID: --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 08/04/96 13.21 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET Hi all, Minimimalist Gong info:- Venue: Birmingham Town Hall Date: 5.4.96 Members present: Divided Alien Steffi Sharpstring Bloomdido Malherbe Pip Pyle Mike Howlett Shakti Yoni Trax :- Search me .... sort of most of Flying Teapot Angels Egg You Camenbert Electrique Plus a song called Mercury. Comments:- Superb Bye bye. From gumby at PRIMENET.COM Mon Apr 8 10:13:57 1996 From: gumby at PRIMENET.COM (Thomas Nelson) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 07:13:57 -0700 Subject: BOC Godzilla Cover Art? Message-ID: Hi everyone, The Gumby Man is back from hiding. A fellow on the "Monsters Mailing List" asked the following question. If you have a moment, could you email him personally, since he is not on BOC-L. Yours in gratitude, The Gumby Man > >Greetings all-- > >Quick question that just occured to me. > >I'm assuming that the Blue Oyster Cult song about our favorite reptile >was released as a 45rpm single at one point. (remember those? ) > >Does anyone know if it was ever released with a picture sleeve, and did >said sleeve have any worthwhile artwork on it? (Preferrably a picture of >our favorite reptile, not the band. ) > >Thanks >-Kev. >nekobasu at infinet.com Thomas Nelson*****The Gumby Man*****gumby at primenet.com "In this day and age, ignorance is not only inexcusable, it is criminal and perhaps fatal." The Anarchist Cookbook From bedens at INTELLINET.COM Mon Apr 8 09:15:27 1996 From: bedens at INTELLINET.COM (John Blaze) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:15:27 -0400 Subject: BOC: Top 10..... again Message-ID: Gosh, actually put 'em in order? Hmmm... Well, it depends on my mood, but: 1. Last Days of May 2. (Don't Fear) The Reaper (Overplayed, yes, but I love the changes in tempo as well as the lyrics) 3. Nosferatu/I Love The Night (played back-to-back) 4. Take Me Away 5. Buck's Boogie (OYFOOYK version) 6. Cities On Flame 7. Godzilla (see #2 comments... I was a Godzilla fan before I was a BOC fan) 8. Veteran of the Psychic Wars (The song that got me more than casually interested in BOC) 9. Astronomy (Original) 10. Flaming Telepaths And because those aren't in any order except for the top 2, I have to include some other candidates: Workshop of the Telescopes (non-live), Career of Evil (uncensored), Fireworks, Unknown Tongue, and (puts on asbestos underwear) Debbie Denise... Fave albums? About impossible, but if I had to list some in no particular order: Secret Treaties, BOC, Spectres, AOF, and OYFOOYK... Later... Bert +---------------------------------------------+ | Bert Edens - bedens at intellinet.com | | http://www.intellinet.com/~bedens/home.html | +---------------------------------------------+ | "'Remember everything,' she says, | | 'When only memories remain...'" | | - Counting Crows, "Ghost Train" | +---------------------------------------------+ From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 8 11:28:40 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:28:40 EST Subject: BOC: Doing without it. Message-ID: > Question for all you BOC historians: Was Buck's Boogie one of the songs that > they did the 5 guitar bit on? I seem to recall that they did but my wife > says they only did that on COF. Did they do it only on a particular song or > did they do it on several different tunes? It was a long time ago and memory > gets hazy but I think they did it on a number of songs like ME262, COF, > Buck's Boogie, Born to be Wild (by the way, I can't stand the studio BTBW > either..) > I know for sure that they've done 5 gtrs on ME262 and 'Summer of Love' not too sure about others theo > > > From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 8 11:44:37 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:44:37 EST Subject: BOC: Top 10..... again Message-ID: > 1. Flaming Telepaths (none of these are the CC versions) > 2. Before the Kiss, a Redcap (BOC version) > 3. Astronomy (SEE version) > 4. The Great Sun Jester > 5. Veteran of the Psychic Wars (ETL version) > 6. Magna of Illusion > 7. Redeemed > 8. The Revenge of Vera Gemini > 9. Death Valley Nights > 10. Take Me Away > > there's at least a half dozen more that I want to squeeze in here... > > albums? okay... > > Blue =D6yster Cult > Spectres > Secret Treaties > Imaginos > Mirrors > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------+ > Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had= > power!" > \ all right, here's my first pass at it (to be revised the second I transmit it, of course! In order of appearance only: Transmaniacon Stairway Cities Red and Black Hot Rails Teen Archer/Baby Ice..pick any one from side two Dominance [how come nobody's picked this one yet?] Flaming Astronomy Reaper/Golden Age [hard to pick from the later stuff] theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 8 11:47:27 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:47:27 EST Subject: Censored 'Career?' Message-ID: > And because those aren't in any order except for the top 2, I have to > include some other candidates: Workshop of the Telescopes (non-live), Career > of Evil (uncensored), Fireworks, Unknown Tongue, and (puts on asbestos > underwear) Debbie Denise... > > > Later... > Bert > I wasn't aware of a censored version of 'Career.' I take it the line about doing it to someone's daughter was snipped? Where is this version available? theo From bedens at INTELLINET.COM Mon Apr 8 10:12:07 1996 From: bedens at INTELLINET.COM (John Blaze) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 10:12:07 -0400 Subject: Censored 'Career?' Message-ID: >> of Evil (uncensored), Fireworks, Unknown Tongue, and (puts on asbestos >> underwear) Debbie Denise... >> Bert >I wasn't aware of a censored version of 'Career.' I take it the line >about doing it to someone's daughter was snipped? Where is this >version available? >theo Yeah, that's what I meant... The "do it to your daughter" line being change to "do it like you oughtta"... Later... Bert +---------------------------------------------+ | Bert Edens - bedens at intellinet.com | | http://www.intellinet.com/~bedens/home.html | +---------------------------------------------+ | "'Remember everything,' she says, | | 'When only memories remain...'" | | - Counting Crows, "Ghost Train" | +---------------------------------------------+ From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Apr 8 12:27:36 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:27:36 -0400 Subject: Nik and Japan In-Reply-To: <01I3AIUJ32N4297VY1@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Apr 1996, Scott Heller (617) 724-7762 wrote: > I heard he or HAWKWIND has played few gigs in Tokyo area after the > show was > finished. This tour was very low-key one and I had not seen any > advetisement for it. I don't know why. Maybe Japan is not the good > market > for them??? Or maybe BOC's management organised the tour? ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Gary Moore, _Blues for Greeny_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 8 12:26:31 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:26:31 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Loud Festival Update? Message-ID: The Loud Festival website (http://www.baitfish.com) has updated their listing of shows. The Brain Surgeons are listed as performing at "The Baystate" (21 Strong St., Northampton MA) on Saturday, April 20th. According to the schedule, they are the last band there that night, and are scheduled to go on at 12:10 (so that's actually very early Sunday morning). Last week the Brain Surgeons indicated that they were playing at Pearl Street (also in Northampton) at 11:00 pm. I assume the Loud Festival organizers may have changed the schedule. Check both here and on the webpage for future updates. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 8 14:03:42 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 13:03:42 EST Subject: Nik and Japan/Geranios connection? Message-ID: > > I heard he or HAWKWIND has played few gigs in Tokyo area after the > > show was > > finished. This tour was very low-key one and I had not seen any > > advetisement for it. I don't know why. Maybe Japan is not the good > > market > > for them??? > > Or maybe BOC's management organised the tour? ;-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > Touche!!!!!!!!!!!!! From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Apr 8 12:08:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:08:00 EDT Subject: BRAIN: Loud Festival Site(s) Message-ID: >The Loud Festival website (http://www.baitfish.com) has updated their >listing of shows. The Brain Surgeons are listed as performing at "The >Baystate" (21 Strong St., Northampton MA) on Saturday, April 20th. >Last week the Brain Surgeons indicated that they were playing at Pearl >Street (also in Northampton) at 11:00 pm. I assume the Loud Festival >organizers may have changed the schedule. If forced to choose, I'd have to stick with the band on this one. What time do bars close in Northampton? Going on at 12:10 could really crimp things. I just heard that Northampton was giving Lalapolooza license trouble this year. I don't want to travel out there and have things end in mid set. (This time I'm yelling out for "I Play the Drums" if we get to vote for the last song.) Rudy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 8 14:33:47 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 14:33:47 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Loud Festival Site(s) Message-ID: Rudy sez: >If forced to choose, I'd have to stick with the band on this one. I'm not doubting info the band has given us. But they might not have control over when and where they play at the festival. Assuming we get no further update (which I'm sure the Brain Surgeons will give us more info closer to the date if things have changed), I would plan on being in town early enough to hit Pearl Street before 11pm, and be prepared to get over to "The Baystate". Although I grew up in the town next to Northampton (Hadley, for any of you who might've heard of it), I never went to any clubs in Northampton. But, it's small enough that you should be able to get from one club to another in less than 30 minutes (probably in less than 10). If I get a chance, I'll check my map of the area against the addresses, and provide directions for anyone who might want them. >What time do bars close in Northampton? Going on at 12:10 could really crimp things. I think they close at 1:00. However, based on the schedule for other bands, it looks like they're giving bands about a 30-40 minute set each. Perhaps if The Brain Surgeons are on last they'll have more time? Hope- fully the flipside won't occur where they'll have to be done by 1:00, and if some other band eats into their time . . . > I just heard that Northampton was giving Lalapolooza license trouble this year. Ha ha - yeah I heard the city really screwed up on that one. My under- standing is that the city council, upon hearing that some "big" bands would be involved, assumed they meant "big bands" (you know, Duke Ellington, swing, jazz, etc.). Someone actually thought that Lalapalooza was a polka festival! But I'll tell ya -- the site where they planned on having it (the grounds of the Northampton airport) is NOT IN ANY WAY suitable for a something like Lollapalooza. The access would be absolutely horrendus, it's practically on the bank of the Connecticut river, there are no facilities, it's probably not big enough, etc. I mean, it would be a major disaster waiting to happen. >(This time I'm yelling out for "I Play the Drums" if we get to vote for the last song.) Yeah, their live rendition, complete w/Al's drum solo, is fantastic. Of course it wasn't suppossed to have come down to a vote last time in Boston (and awful tough to have chosen which of the 4 we should've chosen to end the show - they're all great songs, and done well live by the band). John PS: Don't know yet if I'm going to be able to make the show (family matters may conflict), but I'm pretty sure my brother and sister will be attending with their significant others. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Apr 8 15:10:19 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:10:19 -0400 Subject: BOC and AOL ? Message-ID: In a message dated 96-04-07 11:40:26 EDT, Shawn Quinn writes: >I signed up for an AOL trial membership - and I heard there was some BOC >related material and activities. Could someone be so kind to briefly >descibe what those services are and how to get to them. > >Many thanks, > >Shawn AOL has 3 BOC and related folders. For all three, Go To - Keyword - Rocklink. Double click on Pop/Rock. The BOC folder is in the top catagory (Rock Artists A-F (n/s)). The Buck Dharma and Soft White Underbelly folders are in the Classic Rock section. Eric posts tour dates and announcements in the BOC folder. Buck and his wife Sandy post in the Buck Dharma folder and Les Bronstein (the SWU singer) posts in the SWU folder. There is a chat with Eric and guests (Buck has been at the last 2 or 3 chats and the entire band was there a month or two ago) in the Nightclub the second Tuesday of every month (TOMORROW NIGHT!!). Check the BOC folder for instructions on how to get there, but I think you Go To - Keyword - Nightclub. Click on The Nightclub. Enjoy! R. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Apr 8 18:09:02 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 18:09:02 -0400 Subject: BOC and AOL ? Message-ID: Oh, yeah... Tomorrow night's chat is at 10pm Eastern time... R. From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Apr 8 18:36:03 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 18:36:03 -0400 Subject: HW: Encyclopedia of Rock Message-ID: > >>Hello all Hawkfriends, >> >> I ran across a book in the library called The Encyclopedia of >>Rock, written by a couple of idiots by the name of Phil Hardy and Dave Laing. > >Just for completeness sake, could you list the "BOC" entry also? >+--------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK, I won't be back to the library for a couple days though. I will post it then. Duane -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." Rusted Root From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Mon Apr 8 19:47:39 1996 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 19:47:39 -0400 Subject: BOC and AOL ? Message-ID: Thanks Rocker22 ! From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Mon Apr 8 21:36:25 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 21:36:25 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Loud Festival Site(s) Message-ID: Thanks John: >info closer to the date if things have changed), I would plan on being >in town early enough to hit Pearl Street before 11pm, and be prepared >to get over to "The Baystate". When I saw this we got on the horn to the Loud people and it is true. They've moved us to The Bayside and we're going on at 12:10. They insist this is a real time and we won't be pushed back. The big upside of the move is that we'll be headlining and we will be able to play a longer set if we want. There's nobody following us. >I think they close at 1:00. However, based on the schedule for other >bands, it looks like they're giving bands about a 30-40 minute set each. >Perhaps if The Brain Surgeons are on last they'll have more time? Hope- As we al know anything can happen but we've been told we'll have more time. >PS: Don't know yet if I'm going to be able to make the show (family >matters may conflict), but I'm pretty sure my brother and sister will >be attending with their significant others. Cool! I look forward to meeting them. Al From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Apr 9 03:18:00 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 02:18:00 -0500 Subject: Censored 'Career?' Message-ID: On 8-APR-1996 11:03:24.2 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> And because those aren't in any order except for the top 2, I have to >> include some other candidates: Workshop of the Telescopes >(non-live), Caree r >> of Evil (uncensored), Fireworks, Unknown Tongue, and (puts on asbestos >> underwear) Debbie Denise... >> >> >> Later... >> Bert >> >I wasn't aware of a censored version of 'Career.' I take it the line >about doing it to someone's daughter was snipped? Where is this >version available? >theo It's on the "Don't Fear (The Reaper)" cassette-only release. Not just censored, but a completely re-done vocal performance from Bloom. Chuck "Vampire photo suckin' the skin" `[1;34;46mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Apr 9 03:46:34 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 03:46:34 -0400 Subject: BOC and AOL ? Message-ID: See you there, Shawn? R. From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue Apr 9 10:31:59 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:31:59 BST Subject: Gong & the Ozrics Message-ID: On the whole I was very dissapointed with the Gong/Ozrics gig in Bath on Saturday. The headlining bands and Porcupine Tree were great as always, but I found the rest of the line-up to be very dull after promising so much. Saddar Bazarre, Moonboot Oz and Gilli Smith/Steefi Sharpstrings were quite boring (IMHO). Here and Now were very middle of the road, I found it very difficult to find anything psychedelic in their music let alone proggy or spacey. I didn't even try to find out the names of the other bands. Porcupine Tree are gods and probably justified the ticket price by themselves. The Ozrics played a similar set to the usual, with the addition of a couple of tracks from "Become the Other" and a rather long jam at some point in the proceedings. I only saw 45 minutes of Gong, as I had to catch a train, but what I did see was excellent. A lot of people compare Gong to the Ozrics but played back to back I see little comparison. Gong are still very jazz based and both more subtle and ambient whilst the Ozrics are much louder and heavier. bye - Rob ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rob Stuckey | "The real lost souls don't wear their hair Brighton | long and play guitars. They have crew cuts, England | trained minds, sign on for research into | biological warfare and don't give their etlrbsy at etlxdmx.ericsson.se | parents a moment's worry." - J.B.Priestly ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If anything I've said is my company's policy, I'd be very surprised!!! From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Apr 9 06:48:49 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 06:48:49 -0400 Subject: HW Remasters appear in US Message-ID: Hello all Hawkfriends, I made my usual pilgramage to the local alternative record store and what did I find in the imports section? YES, YES, YES!!! THE FABLED REMASTERS!!!! They had 4 of the 5, ISOS not there (I assume it was sold) So, even though I am one step above being broke, I HAD to get Space Ritual. It was $39.95, and I have to say, worth every penny. I really like the booklets included, and I must say, was very impressed overall with this. I must say also, that the photos of Stacia were, well, impressive. Hopefully, I will win the lotto or something so I can go back and get the others very soon. Next to buy: Hall of the Mountain Grill. See ya, Duane OBCD: HW - Space Ritual -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." Rusted Root From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Apr 9 06:56:29 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:56:29 +0100 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock CD In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 05 Apr 1996 12:10:44 CDT." <199604051710.MAA27614@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG said: > Informed sources say that BOC's "Champions of Rock" is nothing more > than a re-packaged "Cult Classic". I'm picking up the disk any, > collector that I am -- if there's anything different on it (I should > have the disk in another week or 2), I'll let the list know. I've seen this CD in most of the shops arround here. You're right, its basically cult classic, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's something a bit fishy about its origin. It's selling a fraction of the cost of CC - average price of CoR is 4-5 quid. I never saw CC going for less than 11. Mind you, I've started seeing WotT slimline double CDs going for about 13 pounds. Tim ObCD: Killing Joke - "Democracy" remixes From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 9 08:44:55 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:44:55 +0100 Subject: Nik and Japan/Geranios connection? In-Reply-To: <5BB54AE5C99@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Apr 8, 96 01:03:42 pm Message-ID: > > > I heard he or HAWKWIND has played few gigs in Tokyo area after the > > > show was > > > finished. This tour was very low-key one and I had not seen any > > > advetisement for it. I don't know why. Maybe Japan is not the good > > > market > > > for them??? > > > > Or maybe BOC's management organised the tour? ;-) > > Touche!!!!!!!!!!!!! Frighteningly enough, I believe the real Hawkwind (brock'n'co.) had their US tour booked by Steve Schenk (who does BOC!). Bizarrely, Schenk books Motorhead as well! Cheers, Carl From kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Apr 9 09:34:46 1996 From: kronos7 at IX.NETCOM.COM (joel wendrow) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 06:34:46 -0700 Subject: BOC in Hartford REVIEW Message-ID: feeling very well lately. Anyway the show was at the Webster Theater. A newly refurbished movie house. The sound was good the further back you got from the stage. There was a delay in starting the show due to some tech. problem with Al's guitar. After about a five or ten minute hold up the band started the set with "STAIRWAY TO THE STARS". It was excellent, very clean and crisp. From there they rolled into a funky version of DR. MUSIC, it had a real good sound to it which included a blistering solo by Buck. Up next was ODed "ON LIFE ITSELF" (one of my personal favs). Al was wailing on guitar as was Buck. At the end of the song there was a three way jam with Al, Buck and Eric. Nicely done. After a little chatter from Eric (mentioning online fans) they started up "E.T.I." played well with Eric on keyboards, Al on guitar and Buck rocking the house down. After which Eric told the crowd that they are going to play something off thier upcoming new album (hardy fucking haha), "HARVEST MOON" this is really Bucks show pieceall the way, it seemed to be written Bucks vocals and guitar in mind. Although Al has one hell of a guitar solo near the end. From there it was on to "BEFORE THE KISS...A RED CAP" then "I LIKE TO SEE YOU IN BLACK". After some minor tuning it was time for "BUCK'S BOGIE" a true jam as it should be, totally wailing. Next up is another personal fav of mine "TEEN ARCHER" (if you haven't guessed yet I am a bit partial to Buck) Buck's vioce was right on for this song as well. The next song "CITIES ON FLAME" just peeled the paint right off the walls. The whole band really played thier hearts out for this song. It was unfucking believeable. Then they played "LAST DAYS OF MAY, IN THEE, LIPS IN THE HILLS". All pretty standard stuff at this point but I never tire of it. At the start of the next song "BURNIN FOR YOU" they blew the intro and had to start over, pretty funny. Next was "GODZILLA" to this day I still understand how this song became a hit. I really don't care for it unless I hear it live. I think it was made to be heard live seeing as it has the drum and bass solos. Of course the next song has to be "DON'T FEAR THE REAPER", it started with Buck doing a spacey solo. The end..... There was one oncore in which they played "DOMINANCE AND SUBMISSION, and THE RED AND THE BLACK". All in all a very good show. I would have liked to have been more descriptive but I am really not feeling well. I am recovering from surgery in an attempt to save my right leg. If it wasn't the BOC I wouldn't have even been out. But as long as I can still breath I will be at thier shows. Any question or comments let me know. Joel From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Tue Apr 9 10:36:32 1996 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 07:36:32 -0700 Subject: HW: BBC Radio-1 In-Reply-To: <01I32GL6HY889C0JVD@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Apr 2, 96 01:40:21 pm Message-ID: I recall some people were looking for the BBC Radio-1 CD a while ago. The Tower near my office has a couple in stock right now for $21 that I can pick up. If anyone wants them, email me at the address below. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome "Experience is something you don't get until after you need it." -Olivier From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Tue Apr 9 10:39:58 1996 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:39:58 -0500 Subject: Censored 'Career?' In-Reply-To: <01I3BKSG1G7696W1VF@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Apr 9, 96 02:18:00 am Message-ID: > >I wasn't aware of a censored version of 'Career.' I take it the line > >about doing it to someone's daughter was snipped? Where is this > >version available? > >theo > > It's on the "Don't Fear (The Reaper)" cassette-only release. Not just > censored, but a completely re-done vocal performance from Bloom. It's also on the CBS CD "On Flame with Rock and Roll", which you can find really cheap... Buck's solo is also different in that version. -bryan From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 9 11:58:17 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:58:17 EST Subject: Censored 'Career?' Message-ID: > > >I wasn't aware of a censored version of 'Career.' I take it the line > > >about doing it to someone's daughter was snipped? Where is this > > >version available? > > >theo > > > > It's on the "Don't Fear (The Reaper)" cassette-only release. Not just > > censored, but a completely re-done vocal performance from Bloom. > > > It's also on the CBS CD "On Flame with Rock and Roll", which you can find > really cheap... > > Buck's solo is also different in that version. > > -bryan Jeezis, I have that particularly pathetic disc! Must be I never listened to it, at least not that cut. theo From eqshw.blauchno at STATE.UT.US Tue Apr 9 11:20:18 1996 From: eqshw.blauchno at STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:20:18 -0600 Subject: I had a dream....crazy dream.. Message-ID: So the other night I have this dream... I'm at this mellow party just sitting around bullsh*ting and guess who is there in the room? Al and Deb. No, I've never met them but they were there. They were discussing some of the songs that they were thinking of covering for their live shows. They wanted something a bit off beat but fun and of course I suggested...are you ready?.... I suggested "Power Tools" by the Tubes and "Big Bottom" by Spinal Tap. So they just look at me and then we discuss the merits of each song and *poof* the dream is over. This is probably one of the weirdest *real* dreams I've ever had. So, Al and Deb, are you thinking of covering either of these tunes? ;) (don't worry I'm not some deranged psychopath...well, I'm a bit deranged, but.... :) ) Brad L. blauchno at state.ut.us From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 9 12:02:51 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 12:02:51 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Loud Festival Site(s) Message-ID: >PS: Don't know yet if I'm going to be able to make the show (family >matters may conflict), but I'm pretty sure my brother and sister will >be attending with their significant others. Cool! I look forward to meeting them. Al I do hope my brother can go -- he's a drummer himself (not professionally). John From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 9 12:50:49 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:50:49 +0100 Subject: OFF Gong & the Ozrics In-Reply-To: <9604090931.AA02032@etlxd20c> Message-ID: In message <9604090931.AA02032 at etlxd20c>, Rob Stuckey writes >and a rather long > jam at some point in the proceedings. Isn't that what the Ozrics have always been about? > I only saw 45 minutes of Gong, as I had to catch a train, but what > I did see was excellent. A lot of people compare Gong to the Ozrics > but played back to back I see little comparison. Maybe they've changed but when i used to see the Ozrics you could hardly have described them in any other way but "like Gong". I must have seen them play Hillage's Om Riff 100 times. Year in year out. >Gong are still very > jazz based and both more subtle and ambient whilst the Ozrics are > much louder and heavier. And Gong are the original. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 9 12:52:29 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:52:29 +0100 Subject: HW Remasters appear in US In-Reply-To: <199604091048.AA05107@freenet> Message-ID: In message <199604091048.AA05107 at freenet>, Duane Hoyt writes >Next to buy: Hall of the Mountain Grill. > >See ya, > >Duane No, no get DOREMI NEXT!!! -- Jon Browne From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Apr 9 13:54:13 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 12:54:13 EST Subject: HW: latest HWFB just in Message-ID: > Does anyone one have info on how to subscribe to Brian Tawn's stuff? > >Cheers, >Carl Don't know if anyone responded to Carl about this, but I finally got around to posting these details for anyone else who's interested. The address for Hawkfan and Hawkwind Feedback is: Brian Tawn 27 Burdett Road Wisbech, Cambs. PE13 2PR UK Hawkfan issues are: L1.50 in the UK, L2.00 in Europe, and L2.50 outside of Europe. (The "L" is a "pound"). Brian says that 24 and 25 are just about ready right now; he may also have back issues in stock if you ask. A Hawkfan issue is typically about 25 pages long. Usually there are 1-2 Hawkfans per year. Issues of Hawkwind Feedback (HWFB) are single-page double-sided sheets, used by Brian to send quick updates, new release announcements, tour dates, etc.etc. to the Hawk-fandom. They typically come out 1-3 times a year. I don't know what he charges for HWFB. Hope this helps... ALSO: Just got in a notice that Adrian Parr has his next issue of HawkEye ready to go (#5 is it?). I was impressed with the last two Hawkeye issues; if Adrian can keep coming up with new little tidbits that I haven't heard elsewhere, then he is one to watch. One last Hawk-related ? item: I was looking thru the insert for The Spacious Mind's new release "Sailing the Seagoat", and noticed the text: Contact: Spacehead c/o Unosson Grubbedalsvagen 11 930 10 Lovanger Sweden I wonder if there is any connection between the Spacehead signed to E.B.S., and the Spacehead listed here on the TSM insert? Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue Apr 9 14:08:27 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:08:27 -0500 Subject: HW Remasters appear in US In-Reply-To: Jon Browne "Re: HW Remasters appear in US" (Apr 9, 5:52pm) Message-ID: Jon Browne wrote: > In message <199604091048.AA05107 at freenet>, Duane Hoyt RAIN.OBERLIN.EDU> writes > >Next to buy: Hall of the Mountain Grill. > > > >See ya, > > > >Duane > > > No, no get DOREMI NEXT!!! > -- > Jon Browne No, no get HALL OF THE MOUNTAIN GRILL NEXT!!! :-) Seriously, all of the remasters sound great. I'm listening to SR right now and so far they have done an excellent job. The one to get next depends on what album you like best. For me, HotMG is my favorite Hawkwind album, so hearing the remastered version was pure heaven. The clarity of the sound, the punchiness of the bass, and the power of the synth pieces (like Wind of Change) makes it an almost religious experience. YMMV. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 When you go in for a job interview, I think a good thing to ask is if they ever press charges. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Apr 9 19:17:52 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:17:52 BST Subject: OFF Gong & the Ozrics In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:50:49 +0100 Message-ID: > Maybe they've changed but when i used to see the Ozrics you could hardly > have described them in any other way but "like Gong". Well, I hope that Gong are better, because I'm going to see them on Friday, and I thought the Ozrics were rather dull when I saw them live. Gong have lyrics, which usually helps provide some focus. The only Gong I know is Camembert Electrique, Flying Teapot, Angel's Egg, and Floating Anarchy. (The other Gong albums I've heard were dull). Some Ozrics tunes sound like these four, but most of the Ozrics music is different. On disk, I find these Gong albums more interesting to listen to, while the Ozrics make nice background music. At least Friday's gig will only have one support band (Porcupine Tree). I can see the bands that I'm interested in, then piss off home. Dave. From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Apr 9 14:54:45 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:54:45 -0500 Subject: HW: Coleman has questions (fwd) Message-ID: Jill wanted me to forward this: Damon Capehart | "Snot is running down his nose." dcapehar at utdallas.edu | - Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 9 Apr 96 17:54:14 BST From: J Strobridge To: dcapehar at utdallas.edu Subject: Re: HW: Coleman has questions Hi Damon Please excuse this personal message but the Management here have been renaming all the mainframes and transferring files so Listserv has cut off my access to the boc-l list for the moment 8-( Le Monsieur Damon writes: > Mike Coleman has been busy as heck this week, what with the remasters and > plenty of other stuff. However, he has questions about 2 things: > > 1) This is the first time Mike has heard of this, apparently from a guy > in Finland, but supposedly there is a 10" called "Shot Down In the DARK". > does anybody here have *any* idea what this is? Don't know anything about the above but.... > 2) "Cosmic Jokers" (NOT the band of the same name!) - Rumors about this > U.S. boot have been circulating for quite some time. Apparently it has > songs from a number of different bands, one of which is Hawkwind; but > nobody who has heard of it seems to have a clue what the track listing > is and how to get the LP. Anything specific would be appreciated both by > myself and of course by Mike Coleman. I think this might be Cosmic Travellers which is an official release from the Cherry Red Anagram Label (CDM GRAM 105). I'd heard about it but only just found a copy today so there should be more around soon. It's another Friends and Relations compilation: Tracklist is: Pressurehed "The Right Stuff", Underground Zero "Between worlds", Hawkwind "We Do It", Anubian Lights "Grid Coordinate - Vorp One", Hawklords "Time Of", Melting Euphoria "Venusian Skyline", Helios Creed "The Master", Spiral Realms "A Trip to G9", Dark Matter "Seeing Strange Lights", The Brain "Pre-Cambrian Shuffle", Zero Gravity "Space Does Not Care". Hope this is helpful. But even if it's not what Mike Coleman is looking for could you mail a copy to the boc-l list for me to keep them up to date on new releases! Many thanks! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Apr 9 16:07:38 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:07:38 EST Subject: HW: Hawk Fairies Message-ID: Saw a reference to a new HW-relation title. The artist is listed as "Hawk Fairies", the title "Purple Haze Live". This is apparently another Twink/Pink Fairies thing. I do not know who is the "Hawk" part of the name -- Nik again? It was listed at import price of $25. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Tue Apr 9 16:41:41 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:41:41 +0100 Subject: HW: latest HWFB just in In-Reply-To: <9604091254.A15000@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: >I don't know how much he charges for feedback. In the UK it's free(I'm not sure about overseas but an amount to cover the postage should do the trick). just send him some SAE's and he mails them out when they are printed. I've been getting them for many years and have always found Brian very helpful and pleasent if you ask for info and stuff. sihalley at vossnet.co.uk " A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window" From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Apr 9 18:28:29 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:28:29 -0400 Subject: HW Remasters appear in US Message-ID: > >In message <199604091048.AA05107 at freenet>, Duane Hoyt RAIN.OBERLIN.EDU> writes >>Next to buy: Hall of the Mountain Grill. >> >>See ya, >> >>Duane > > >No, no get DOREMI NEXT!!! >-- >Jon Browne > > Maybe I'll get both;-) Duane (probably they will be sold out by the time I get the funds to buy them) -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." Rusted Root From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Apr 9 18:37:16 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:37:16 +1100 Subject: I had a dream....crazy dream.. Message-ID: On 9 Apr 96 Brad M. Lauchnor wrote about I had a dream....crazy dream..: > So the other night I have this dream... > I'm at this mellow party just sitting around bullsh*ting and guess who is > there in the room? Al and Deb. No, I've never met them but they were > there. Wow! I had a dream last night ..... Dave Wyndorf from Monster Magnet just decided to drop in where I work to say hello .... and asked me to manage all their fan mail and stuff .... crazy! I must be equally deranged ..... -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Apr 9 18:43:33 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:43:33 +1100 Subject: HW: latest HWFB just in Message-ID: On 9 Apr 96 UNREGISTERED VERSION wrote about Re: Re[2]: HW: latest HWFB just in: > >I don't know how much he charges for feedback. > > In the UK it's free(I'm not sure about overseas but an amount to cover the > postage should do the trick). just send him some SAE's and he mails them out > when they are printed. I've been getting them for many years and have always > found Brian very helpful and pleasent if you ask for info and stuff. Just send an IRC (International Reply Coupon) and Brian redeems that for a stamp at the post office ..... -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Apr 9 18:57:31 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:57:31 -0600 Subject: BOC in Hartford REVIEW In-Reply-To: <199604091334.GAA09100@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: Joel; Great review!!! I guess you're a little partial to Buck, right? Anyways, it may be of interest to you that I am pretty sure that Joe Bouchard lives up in Hartford, CT. You didn't spot him around by any chance, did you? I am also glad to hear that you are feeling better. And we too (Jean & I) hope that you live a long and happy life with many more BOC/BS shows to catch. God bless.... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Apr 9 18:59:04 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:59:04 -0600 Subject: HW: latest HWFB just in In-Reply-To: <199604092039.GAA08798@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: Who's Hawkwind??? Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Apr 9 22:19:49 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:19:49 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Loud Festival Site(s) Message-ID: The site was changed since they originally spoke to us. Now, we are confirmed as the headliners at the Baystate 4/20. I believe it's a new, supposedly nice, venue in what used to be a hotel. Whatever, we're goin' to rock! Albert and I are also scheduled to appear on panels during the day as part of the event. It's one of these deals where you can get a pass to a bunch of events-- special rate for those with student IDs. It's a real independent festival-- as opposed to a corporate masquerade-- like SxSW, CMJ, or the late-- and unmourned-- New Music Seminar. This is only the fourth year, and they really try to get people they think will have some wider impact in the near future-- and some of the birds you coulda seen within one stone's throw there include Everclear, Tracy Bonham, Helium. Anyway, we're really looking forward to it-- also an excuse to the local holy shrine-- the Words and Pictures Comic Book Museum, founded by the creator of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Hope to see ya-- (when we're not bowing down to the fabbest four-- Leonardo, Michaelangelo, Raphael, and Donatello, of course!). DF From nakayama at SDL.HITACHI.CO.JP Wed Apr 10 12:12:24 1996 From: nakayama at SDL.HITACHI.CO.JP (Yoshiyuki Nakayama) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:12:24 JST Subject: NIK: Japan? Message-ID: > > >> I heard a rumour this week that Nik is currently doing a tour of > > >>> Japan! Of all places ..... Does anyone know how true this is? > > > > > > I am pretty sure this is correct. Some promoters offered Nik big bucks for > > >this tour or festival (not sure what the arrangement is). He is suppose to be > > >touring with the Annubian Lights line-up. > > > > Ok, so who's gonna volunteer to go over there and get a tape of the show? > > There used to be a Japanese Hawkfan on the list a few years back-- > anyone know where he went? Hope he catches the show, wherever he and it > may be ... Nik's Hawkwind played two gigs in Japan last month. I didn't go to see them. It seems any review of the tour hasn't appeared yet. Nik Turner's Hawkwind Nik Turner - vocal, sax, flute DEl Dattmer - synth Simon House - vln Alan Powell - percussions Mar.16, Sat. Club Quatro, Shinsaibashi, Osaka Mar.17, Sun. On Air West, Shibuya, Tokyo At both spots, open 18:00, start 19:00. Fee - 6,000yen/6,500yen. ----yoshi From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Apr 10 01:18:34 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 01:18:34 -0400 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock CD Message-ID: What's on the cover of the album you've seen? DF From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed Apr 10 10:10:19 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:10:19 BST Subject: HW: Why no UK gigs? (was Re: NIK: Japan?) Message-ID: > > Nik Turner's Hawkwind > > Nik Turner - vocal, sax, flute > DEl Dattmer - synth > Simon House - vln > Alan Powell - percussions > Nikwind seems to be playing everywhere in the world except the UK, would anyone care to speculate as to why? Could it be for legal reasons? You'd have thought the UK was possibly their most lucrative market (not that they play for money of course :-) ). bye - Rob From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Wed Apr 10 06:45:37 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 06:45:37 -0400 Subject: HW: Why no UK gigs? (was Re: NIK: Japan?) Message-ID: > >> >> Nik Turner's Hawkwind >> >> Nik Turner - vocal, sax, flute >> DEl Dattmer - synth >> Simon House - vln >> Alan Powell - percussions >> > > Nikwind seems to be playing everywhere in the world except > the UK, would anyone care to speculate as to why? Could it > be for legal reasons? > You'd have thought the UK was possibly their most lucrative > market (not that they play for money of course :-) ). > > bye - Rob > > Maybe the UK is not a large enough place for both Nik and Dave to be in at the same time? Maybe he will play there after HW begins a US tour. Duane -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." Rusted Root From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Apr 10 08:02:49 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:02:49 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Loud Festival Site(s) Message-ID: >Pictures Comic Book Museum, founded by the creator of the Teenage Mutant >Ninja Turtles! Hope to see ya-- Kevin Eastman or Peter Laird? They are both the creators of the original comic. I believe Eastman now is the editor of "Heavy Metal", and has been doing art for various other sources from time to time... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed Apr 10 13:26:59 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:26:59 BST Subject: HW: mention in Melody Maker Message-ID: Hawkwind get a mention in Melody Maker today. In their "Info Freako" section someone asks which band got into trouble with a picture of a wrongly wired plug. The reply tells of the PXR5 story, and surprisingly mentions that "Robert Calvert quitting the band and selling his guitar". Even more surprisingly, the writer says that Calvert formed the Hawklords then left at which point the remaining members reformed Hawkwind and recorded PXR5, but doesn't explain how he ends up singing on PXR5 if he'd already left the band. Aparrantly it was a guy called Mick Birch of Bromley who decided to wire a plug the same way as the PXR5 cover and ended up blowing himself accross his living room. bye - Rob From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 10 08:46:41 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:46:41 +0100 Subject: HW: mention in Melody Maker In-Reply-To: <9604101226.AA02203@etlxd20c> from "Rob Stuckey" at Apr 10, 96 01:26:59 pm Message-ID: > Hawkwind get a mention in Melody Maker today. In their "Info Freako" > section someone asks which band got into trouble with a picture of a > wrongly wired plug. > The reply tells of the PXR5 story, and surprisingly mentions that > "Robert Calvert quitting the band and selling his guitar". > Even more surprisingly, the writer says that Calvert formed the > Hawklords then left at which point the remaining members reformed > Hawkwind and recorded PXR5, but doesn't explain how he ends up singing > on PXR5 if he'd already left the band. A clear opporunity to demonstrate supreme music geekdom and send them letters setting them straight :) > Aparrantly it was a guy called Mick Birch of Bromley who decided to > wire a plug the same way as the PXR5 cover and ended up blowing himself > across his living room. That's pretty cool--but people that dumb probably deserve what they get! Natural selection at work. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 10 08:48:36 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:48:36 +0100 Subject: NIK: Japan? In-Reply-To: <9604100312.AA11752@hsdlgw92.sdl.hitachi.co.jp> from "Yoshiyuki Nakayama" at Apr 10, 96 12:12:24 pm Message-ID: > > There used to be a Japanese Hawkfan on the list a few years back-- > > anyone know where he went? Hope he catches the show, wherever he and it > > may be ... > > Nik's Hawkwind played two gigs in Japan last month. I didn't go to see them. > It seems any review of the tour hasn't appeared yet. Yoshi! Glad to see the Japanese contingent is still with us! :) > Nik Turner's Hawkwind > Nik Turner - vocal, sax, flute > DEl Dattmer - synth > Simon House - vln > Alan Powell - percussions That's a pretty stripped down Hawkwind, unless it is listing only they original members! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 10 08:49:28 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:49:28 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: Loud Festival Site(s) In-Reply-To: <960409221556_372453691@emout06.mail.aol.com> from <"DFrost8547@AOL.COM"@Apr> Message-ID: > Whatever, we're goin' to rock! Now this is what I call a proper attitude :) Cheers, Carl From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Apr 10 10:25:19 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:25:19 -0400 Subject: HW: latest HWFB just in In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Who's Hawkwind??? > > Manuel This is surely proof positive to all the naysayers that the list topic filtering mechanism is working admirably. How else could Manuel have been subscribed to BOC-L for ages and remained oblivious to Hawkwind all this time? ;-) Cheers, Paul. ob$1promo: Kyuss, _Sky Valley Part III_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 10 12:07:54 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:07:54 EST Subject: HW: latest HWFB just in Message-ID: > > Who's Hawkwind??? > > > > Manuel > > This is surely proof positive to all the naysayers that the list > topic filtering mechanism is working admirably. How else could Manuel > have been subscribed to BOC-L for ages and remained oblivious to Hawkwind > all this time? ;-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. > I Think he may have been pulling the collective joint of the HW side of BOC-L. theo From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Apr 10 16:36:28 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:36:28 BST Subject: HW: mention in Melody Maker In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:46:41 +0100 Message-ID: > That's pretty cool--but people that dumb probably deserve what they > get! Natural selection at work. No, not really. (On both counts). Dave. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Apr 10 10:38:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:38:00 EDT Subject: Off: GONG Message-ID: >Maybe they've changed but when i used to see the Ozrics you could hardly >have described them in any other way but "like Gong". I must have seen >them play Hillage's Om Riff 100 times. Year in year out. For those who might want to check out The Brain Surgeons in Northampton on April 20th, here's some directions (provided by the Loud Festival folks): The Baystate, exit 18 off Rt 91 left off the ramp, continue past the Depot on your right then take your next right on Pearl St. Its on the left next to Pearl St Night Club. Phone number: (413) 584 8513 FYI: "The Depot" is a restaurant approximately a half a mile from the exit (when you take a left off the exit, you'll be on rt 5 -- shortly after you're on it a street forks off to the left --> stay to your right to remain on rt 5). Also, if you get into the center of town (intersection of Main St. and rt 5 - a.k.a. Pleasant St.), then you went too far. John From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Apr 10 12:04:00 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:04:00 -0400 Subject: BOC in Hartford REVIEW Message-ID: If you want to do more than just see Joe Bouchard-- and take away something that might have some actual relevance as regards the understanding of music-- he'll be in residence at the National Guitar camp this summer (reachable via NGSW @ aol.com). From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Apr 10 11:32:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:32:00 EDT Subject: BOC: Interview Message-ID: Of interest: An interview with Eyes, Buck & the boys from the Pacific Northwest, forwarded from a coffee swilling lurker. Eyes makes some interesting points about record deals and albums. Up until a few days ago, I thought BOC was a figment of the imagination myself (curse you Torgo) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> April 8, 1996 AN INTERVIEW WITH BLUE OYSTER CULT: February 2, 1996, Many people know of Blue Oyster Cult's music by their radio hits Don't Fear The Reaper, Godzilla, and Burning for you. Dubbed early on as "intellectual heavy metal", the band had been making music and playing it live well before their self titled release in 1972. Well crafted lyrics, guitar heavy sound and searing live performances became their trademarks. When Blue Oyster Cult came through Seattle in the beginning of February, I had the opportunity to sit down and speak with a relaxed but hungry Eric Bloom. We were later joined by Buck Dharma. We spoke about the bands current tour, latest release, on goings of the Cult and its members. The core of the band are original members Eric Bloom on vocals and guitar, Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser on lead guitar and vocals and Allen Lanier on keyboards and backup vocals. And it's been that way for some time now. "I met them around Thanksgiving of 1968 and became the vocalist in April of 1969. And if you told us in 1969, that in 1996 we'd still be doing this stuff, we'd thought you were crazy" says Eric Bloom. The quintet is rounded out by new arrivals Danny Maranda, form Long Island N.Y. on bass and John O'reilly, formerly of Blackmores Rainbow on drums. The band was on the first week of a three week northwest tour that included several stops in Oregon, Washington, British Columbia and Montana. I asked how the shows were going and the types of places they were playing. Eric Bloom responded that "most shows we're selling out. We are playing medium kinds of venues, 500, 800, 1000 people, small theaters. Of course in the summer time we play much larger shows and festivals." Their current tour is in support of their most recent release "Workshop of the Telescopes". A double disc retrospective package out on Legacy/Columbia. It features some of their best material from 1972 through 1986 including previously unissued and promotional only issued songs. Pleased about the final product and happy with its release, the band has been highlighting many of the songs in its live performances. Along with Workshop of the Telescopes, Blue Oyster Cult has in recent years released three other CDs that included material from previous albums. What are often called "Greatest Hits". They include Career of Evil, On Flame With Rock and Roll and Cult Classics. I was curious as to why another "Greatest Hits" CD. As it turns out, unlike Workshop of the Telescopes, where the band had input on the project and helped craft its package, Career of Evil and On Flame With Rock and Roll had none of that. As Eric Bloom bluntly stated "We had nothing to do with them." "They"(the record company) "owned the songs and could do whatever they want." And what about the Cult Classics CD that contains re recordings of previously released material? It turns out that BOC had been approached by a fan, Stephen King, who wanted to use some of their songs for a TV series. They realized that in order to be properly compensated for their music, they would need to rerecord and release the songs. Thus bypassing their old label, Columbia, for a one time deal with Herald Records. As a business move it was the right thing to do and the band was happy with its final outcome. With new material being played at the live performances, will we be seeing a new CD any time soon? "No" was the short answer. Eric Bloom went on to explain that "we've been trying to get a record deal for the last four years. Two years ago we signed and sealed a deal with Elecktra Records. But there was some misunderstanding between our management and Atlantic and they reneged on the contract. This set us back on our heals quite a bit because we had passed on other deals to go with Atlantic. And it was a major album, major deal and we thought we were back in business with a real record company. And when they reneged on us. For what ever reason they did, it was very difficult. I think the word got out or something. We have no idea what happened but other major labels lost interest as well. We're a little bit dumbfounded we can't get a deal. It's frustrating." So what about the band going independent and starting it's own label? A reticent Eric Bloom replies: "We could do that but that's such a difficult thing to do. Because if we did our own album, which we could do, and put it out on a no name label,we have so many good songs. We're afraid that no one will ever hear or buy them. So we're of holding out. Maybe eventually we might have to do something like that and resort to some sort of secondary way of getting this product out. I think we're up against that right now and know it. We actually do have an offer from a European label, but no distribution for it in the U.S." So it doesn"t look good for any new BOC release in the future. As Eric Bloom puts it, "It's not like we haven't tried with every major their is. The writing on the wall is that unless you're alternative, rap or pop, there's really no place for rock and roll to happen anymore. That's my philosophy and perspective after looking at all the trades and slogging through all the major's after the last couple of years. Where's the rock? There just isn't any." What does Eric Bloom think about the state of rock and roll today? Is it dead? Has it stopped evolving? "It's all just a state of terminology. Is alternative music rock and roll? I don't know? Was Nirvana rock? Alternative now being a misnomer because it is mainstream. It's interesting to trace the roots of it. It goes back to Aerosmith, KISS, Blue Oyster Cult, and Black Sabbath. Then it evolved through young kids of that era picking up on that stuff. You had new wave, punk, and all kinds of things synthesized through it. Alternative is evolutionary. I got it from the Rolling Stones, the Doors, and the Beatles. How far back do you want to go? It's probably just a question of style." When looking at this part of the country he adds "the Seattle movement certainly took it a few giant steps forward. What grunge was, is now called alternative. My favorite is Stone Temple Pilots of that genre. It's really all there is as far as rock goes, aside from an occasional White Zombie, as not being alternative." Where does this leave Blue Oyster Cult in todays musical melting pot? Eric Bloom speaks pragmatically, "as far as commercial music, the bottom line is, if you're a rock musician there's art and there's making a living. You try to mix them together and obviously at this time in our lives we have to make a living. Because we can't go back to all living in one house and eating Spanish rice." And when it comes to playing the shows, and they still do enjoy playing them, they have a set criteria on price, space and accommodations. And what about off stage? What are the members of the Cult up to? Well for starts, both Eric Bloom and Buck Dharma are on America Online. Buck has a folder under the Classic Rock site and Eric handles the BOC folder posting tour dates and chatting with the bands net fans. He's so happy with the on line fan support that the band had special t-shirts made up for "the net fans". BOC On Tour-On Line. He communicates with fans from all over the globe. "There are probably a couple hundred people I interact with on a regular basis. They actually help change the set list." And outside of the BOC site? "I got involved in a role playing game on America On Line and am totally addicted to it." Along with all being into film they stay educated by reading a lot. More so on tour than off and exchanging books when they come upon a hot topic. Currently Buck Dharma is into a book on P.G.P., "a free NSA inscription program for the masses" he tells us, book in hand, as he stops by the table we are sitting at. "It's about keeping the government from eavesdropping on people." Eric is currently pulling much of his info from America On Line. And Allen Lanier is deep into a book on comparative religions and Egyptian history. "He's a total fund of interesting and unusual knowledge," Eric Bloom states. So what does the future hold for Blue Oyster Cult? Eric Bloom replies, "we're doing some major changes in the show. Within two or three months we're getting all new band equipment. So the whole band look will be quite different." And as for the continued touring? Buck Dharma says "we're comfortable touring about four months a year and having it spread out over a full year. We wouldn't do it if it wasn't still rewarding to do, but it's what we do. It's how we make a living." From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 10 18:02:22 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:02:22 BST Subject: HW: latest HWFB just in In-Reply-To: jean l delacour's message of Tue, 9 Apr 1996 16:59:04 -0600 Message-ID: jean l delacour writes: > Who's Hawkwind??? > BOC's alter ego 8-) come and join us - you are Welcome..... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From stayer at PI.NET Tue Apr 9 01:30:35 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:30:35 PDT Subject: BOC: bad masters Message-ID: Theo, >I do know that there must be multiple issues of CC here stateside, >'cause my copy doesn't have any musician credits on it, while others >on BOC-L say their copy does have this info? Wonder how many >incarnations of CC exist. Any idea out there? My copy does have the musician credits inside (well what is to call 'inside' when it's only a single card folded once). My copy is done by Fragile Records CDFRL 003, but a friend of mine read a magazine and saw another record company has released it. I have no idea how many separate issues have been released. I'll have another close listen and find out at what time the strange click is, exactly. I'll get back to you on this. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Apr 9 01:35:47 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:35:47 PDT Subject: BOC: bad master on Burning For You Message-ID: >I'm not sure what Jerry means about bad masters with "Cagey Cretins" >and "Burnin' For You" - someone please elaborate (suffice to say, there's >nothing about this in the FAQ). OK, here we go. 'Cult Classic', Fragile Records CDFRL 003, "manufactured in the EEC". Listen to 'Burning For You' (although the original release was credited _Burnin'_) at 02:37. It's very clear, Buck is starting to sing the second chorus, and he sings 'and I-I'm burning I'm burning I'm burning for you'. First I thought there was something wrong with the disc, but two friends of mine had the same problem on 02:37. Only one of them has found the Burning For You CD single, so he has the correct version on disc. >As far as the red/green covers of "Secret Treaties" goes, this isn't in the >FAQ, but I believe Bolle told me that the European release of ST has >red lettering, vs the green that the U.S. releases have. I believe that >the audio is the same though (Bolle said the same masters were used for >the European CDs as the U.S. - with the exception of "Club Ninja"). I'll find out what's wrong exactly with 'Secret Treaties'. I haven't got the "incorrect" version. >As far as Cult Classic being reissued, as was pointed out here a few >weeks ago, it's under the title "Champions of Rock" >It's a European release - might even be done by Sony. I may try and pick >up a copy just for collection purposes. Please let us know when you have found out! :-) Jerry From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 10 12:03:28 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:03:28 +0100 Subject: OFF Gong & the Ozrics In-Reply-To: <13404.9604091817@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In message <13404.9604091817 at abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry writes > >Well, I hope that Gong are better, because I'm going to see them on >Friday, and I thought the Ozrics were rather dull when I saw them live. >Gong have lyrics, which usually helps provide some focus You shouldn't be disappointed. > >The only Gong I know is Camembert Electrique, Flying Teapot, Angel's Egg, >and Floating Anarchy. That'll do! That's pretty much the best of it. >(The other Gong albums I've heard were dull). Like Gazuse! or Shamal. Poo! I smell duff old jazz with no lyrics and no David "Insert one of two dozen silly names here" Allen! His solo albums, little more than dribbling into a cassette recorder, are outstanding works of psychedelia. Banana Moon or Now Is The Happiest Time Of Your Life for instance, a little like Syd Barrett in their mind- sprung simplicity. >Some Ozrics tunes sound like these four, but most of the Ozrics music is >different. On disk, I find these Gong albums more interesting to listen >to, while the Ozrics make nice background music. > As far as I can see, the comparison arose because, a few years ago at least, the Ozrics would base their jams on Gongs riffs. It wasn't in any way a swipe or calculated at all, it's just that's the music they liked playing. and Ed sound's more like Hillage than Hillage does :-) >At least Friday's gig will only have one support band (Porcupine Tree). Where do I start with PT? Sky Moves Sideways? I keep reading how good they are. >I can see the bands that I'm interested in, then piss off home. > >Dave. -- Jon Browne From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Wed Apr 10 18:24:07 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:24:07 BST Subject: NIK: Japan? In-Reply-To: Yoshiyuki Nakayama's message of Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:12:24 JST Message-ID: Hi Yoshi Delighted to see you're still around! Yoshiyuki Nakayama writes: > Nik's Hawkwind played two gigs in Japan last month. I didn't go to see them. > It seems any review of the tour hasn't appeared yet. It would be most interesting to see a review when and if one comes out. cheers jill PS: I think Mike Holmes is still looking for the Japanese vinyl of Doremi with the extra Silver Machine track. If you ever manage to hear of this or know of a record shop that would do a search I think he'd be glad to hear of it! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 10 10:28:30 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:28:30 +0100 Subject: HW: latest HWFB just in In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , jean l delacour writes >Who's Hawkwind??? > >Manuel > >Jean Delacour >University of New Mexico >Parish Library >Alb, NM 87131-1496 >delacour at unm.edu we's Hawkwind. Who's you? -- Jon Browne From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Apr 10 14:12:57 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:12:57 +0200 Subject: Calling Rickard and other swedes Message-ID: Hi this is for swedes only... ;-)=20 Vart har du tagit vaegen Rickard fran Huddinge? Har du sjabblat bort min adress? Det vore kul om du mailade mig din adress -det var ngt jag hade taenkt att= =20 fraga dig om som jag helt har gloemt bort nu av ngn dunkel anledning, men=20 det var vael antagligen inget viktigt... Detta gaeller alla svenskar: Jag laeser medieproduktion pa hoegskolan, och= =20 jag har tillgang till videoutrustningar som tar sa gott som alla=20 (amatoer/professionella/europeiska/amerikanska) system ni kan taenkas kaenna= =20 till (utom moejligtvis Video 2000 da... ). Jag kopierar gladeligen videoboots och dylikt foer er (gratis) salaenge det= =20 sker i en liten skala. MVH -Daniel - "Jag har en papegoja -s=E5 jag best=E4mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a 392 36 KALMAR 0480-245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 10 14:32:52 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:32:52 +0100 Subject: BOC: Interview In-Reply-To: <316B48DA@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Apr 10, 96 11:32:00 am Message-ID: > So what about the band going independent and starting it's own label? A > reticent Eric Bloom replies: "We could do that but that's such a difficult > thing to do. Because if we did our own album, which we could do, and put > it out on a no name label,we have so many good songs. We're afraid that > no one will ever hear or buy them. So we're sort of holding out. Maybe > eventually we might have to do something like that and resort to some sort > of secondary way of getting this product out. I think we're up against > that right now and know it. We actually do have an offer from a > European label, but no distribution for it in the U.S." Well, what do you know--evidence they've actually thought about putting albums out. But as for no one hearing the songs or buying the albums--who's debuted more new songs and sold more new albums recently BOC or the Brain Surgeons? ;) > So it doesn't look good for any new BOC release in the future. As Eric > Bloom puts it, "It's not like we haven't tried with every major there > is. The writing on the wall is that unless you're alternative, rap or > pop, there's really no place for rock and roll to happen anymore. > That's my philosophy and perspective after looking at all the trades and > slogging through all the major's after the last couple of years. > Where's the rock? There just isn't any." Where does he think all the cool rock is? Begosh and begorrah, looky thar! It's on the independants and small labels! ;) It seems to me that BOC is still labouring under the illusion that having been a stadium filler once, they deserve a major label. Bzzzt! If you want to get something accomplished you gotta do what it takes, not wait for the world to hand it to you on a silver platter! Where are all these "so many good songs"? They should be out there debuting them and building support for them (how long has it been since the latest of the "new" songs was debuted? Years anyway.). They should put out a new record on a small label or on their own label and sling it to the fans. You start showing you can hold an audience base which will buy your records and _then_ the majors start paying attention. Hell, they'll buy up your old records and reissue them if you show there's a profit in it. Get with the program BOC! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 10 14:40:29 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:40:29 +0100 Subject: Calling Rickard and other swedes In-Reply-To: <199604101812.UAA22387@mcfs1.mc.hik.se> from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Apr 10, 96 08:12:57 pm Message-ID: > Detta gaeller alla svenskar: Jag laeser medieproduktion pa hoegskolan, och= > =20 > jag har > tillgang till videoutrustningar som tar sa gott som alla=20 > (amatoer/professionella/europeiska/amerikanska) system ni kan taenkas kaenna= > =20 > till (utom moejligtvis Video 2000 da... ). > Jag kopierar gladeligen videoboots och dylikt foer er (gratis) salaenge det= > =20 > sker i en liten skala. Ah, tyvarr att jag har ingen VCR! Men jag bor inte i Sverige i alla fall. ... which is probably very bad Swedish, so I'll stop trying to write in languages which aren't comprehensible to most people on the list and probably aren't comprehensible to the Swedes! :} Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Apr 10 14:41:55 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:41:55 -0400 Subject: BOC - Hypothetical Question Message-ID: Okay, it seems clear that a new album would still be at best hypothetical matter, but we can still speculate as to what the name would be. I have assembled a number of=20 potential names from stuff on here, and was wondering if there'd be interest in a poll on this admittedly hypothetical subject... In the past, 2=BC albums used "title" tracks for album names, so that's a possibility, I guess... "Still Burnin'" "(This Ain't) The album you were waiting for" (I'd like to see a record= company "Bad Masters" that'd back this title)... any others? "What do you think, sirs?" +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had= power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being= accused Chancellor of being corrupted= since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Apr 10 15:49:04 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:49:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: Interview Message-ID: Dunno what Eric's been smoking lately. The only record deal the band in any of its mutations had with Elektra Records was 27 years ago. And if he really thinks that the deal they blew two years ago (which, by the way, was never for an album scheduled for release on the major label Atlantic-- but Forward, a subsidiary of Rhino) is due to anything other than the band's failure to deliver the record (and the band's current manager's failure to return the label's phone calls to even discuss it) he's more out of touch with both his own business and reality than anyone might have suspected. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Apr 10 15:55:16 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:55:16 -0400 Subject: BOC: Interview In-Reply-To: <316B48DA@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: > April 8, 1996 > AN INTERVIEW WITH BLUE OYSTER CULT: February 2, 1996, [...] > new CD any > time soon? "No" was the short answer. Eric Bloom went on to explain that > "we've been trying > to get a record deal for the last four years. Two years ago we signed and > sealed a deal with > Elecktra Records. But there was some misunderstanding between our > management and Atlantic and they reneged on the contract. This set us back > on our heals quite a bit because we had passed on other deals to go with > Atlantic. And it was a major album, major deal and we thought we were back > in business with a real record company. And when they reneged on us. For > what ever reason they did, it was very difficult. I think the word got out > or something. We have no idea what happened but other major labels lost > interest as well. We're a little bit dumbfounded we can't get a deal. It's > frustrating." Talk about "not being able to manage your way out of a paper bag." And here's me thinking it was BOC [management] that dropped the ball, when all the time it was (allegedly) evil Atlantic that did the dirty. Mind you, this version of events is from a man who repeatedly states to fans from the stage that there'll be a new album coming out "soon." ;-) In a fit of illogic, the madness continues: :-) > So what about the band going independent and starting it's own label? A > reticent Eric Bloom > replies: "We could do that but that's such a difficult thing to do. Because (Tell it to the Brain Surgeons...:) > if we did our own > album, which we could do, and put it out on a no name label,we have so many > good songs. We're afraid that no one will ever hear or buy them. Um... if you don't release it, period, then nobody will hear any of these good songs anyway. At least on an independent release *some* people will get to hear it. > Along with all being into film they stay educated by reading a lot. More so > on tour than > off and exchanging books when they come upon a hot topic. Currently Buck > Dharma is into a book on P.G.P., "a free NSA inscription program for the > masses" he tells us, book in hand, as he > stops by the table we are sitting at. Um... I think you mean "RSA encryption program," Buck... :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Robert Johnson, _The Complete Recordings_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Wed Apr 10 16:02:55 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:02:55 EDT Subject: BOC: Interview Message-ID: >From EB int: > As Eric Bloom puts it, "It's not like we haven't tried with every major there > is. The writing on the wall is that unless you're alternative, rap or > pop, there's really no place for rock and roll to happen anymore. If I read between the lines here; he's saying that they pissed the majors off and they are no longer interested in dealing with BOC for new music. Seems they've built a sterling reputation in the industry. RR From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Wed Apr 10 18:13:38 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:13:38 -0400 Subject: NIK: Japan? Message-ID: > >> > There used to be a Japanese Hawkfan on the list a few years back-- >> > anyone know where he went? Hope he catches the show, wherever he and it >> > may be ... >> >> Nik's Hawkwind played two gigs in Japan last month. I didn't go to see them. >> It seems any review of the tour hasn't appeared yet. > >Yoshi! Glad to see the Japanese contingent is still with us! :) > >> Nik Turner's Hawkwind >> Nik Turner - vocal, sax, flute >> DEl Dattmer - synth >> Simon House - vln >> Alan Powell - percussions > > That's a pretty stripped down Hawkwind, unless it is listing only >they original members! > >Cheers, >Carl > Just a point of clarification, I thought Nikwind was in Japan, not Hawkwind. Or is Nik calling himself HW there thinking the real HW won't find out? Duane -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." Rusted Root From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Apr 10 18:16:53 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:16:53 -0500 Subject: HW: Cover Project: US tapes: The End is Near (at last) Message-ID: Hi all, Well, I've given up on some of the tape people ever getting back to me, so I've got only a quote from J&R Music world: Sony SR 90s (metal) 1.80 each x2 = $3.60 Sony SR 100s (metal) 2.20 each x1 = $2.20 TDK MA-X60s (metal) 2.30 each x1 = $2.30 ----- $8.10 and from Terrapin Tapes: Maxell XL2S 60 (chrome) 1.70 each x1 = $1.70 Maxell XL2S 90 1.90 each x2 = $3.80 Maxell XL2S 100 2.20 each x1 = $2.20 ----- $7.70 -or- Maxell XL2 60 (chrome) 1.35 each x1 = $1.35 Maxell XL2 90 1.45 each x2 = $2.90 Maxell XL2 100 1.85 each x1 = $1.85 ----- $6.10 I talked with the guy at Terrapin a bit and he recommended the XL2Ss over the metal tapes, since apparently minimum level metal tapes don't get as nice a sound response as the XL2S (of which I was previosly unaware). They'll also cover shipping for free, with 4 day UPS delivery. If it sounds good to you all, I'll go with the XL2S's, for a total cost of: tapes $6.10 postage/packing $4.00 (that me, by USPS 1st class) covering contributors $1.50 (cost is for 7 sets: I forgot that Dave would be doing some of these) ----- $11.60 Reactions? (Beyond the "let's get this show on the road" variety ;-) Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Apr 10 18:41:13 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:41:13 -0600 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock CD In-Reply-To: <960410011833_466334538@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 1996 DFrost8547 at AOL.COM wrote: > What's on the cover of the album you've seen? > DF > Deb; The cover and the inside sleeve are the same color photo of around 1975-76. Al is smiling, and you can barely see Joe. I'm suprized that you haven't gotten a copy of it. Doesn't Al get some kind of royalty or something for these rereleases? How have you been? Al still teaching? I am. God bless... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Apr 10 18:46:17 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:46:17 -0600 Subject: BOC in Hartford REVIEW In-Reply-To: <960410120358_466561507@mail04> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 1996 DFrost8547 at AOL.COM wrote: > If you want to do more than just see Joe Bouchard-- and take away something > that might have some actual relevance as regards the understanding of music-- > he'll be in residence at the National Guitar camp this summer (reachable via > NGSW @ aol.com). > No, it's alright. That sounds too heavy and intellectual for me. It's only rock and roll, and I like it, but I don't delve too much on "deep meamings". Life is filled enough with complications. I just enjoy the music. Later... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Wed Apr 10 19:08:43 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:08:43 -0400 Subject: HW Hawks on scifi? Message-ID: Hello Hawkfreinds, I just recieved this reply to my letter to the scifi channel. I hope they follow through with this, and are not just blowing smoke. > Duane, > > Thanks for writing. And thanks for all the cool info. We won't have > a chance to talk to the boys in Hawkwind this season but maybe next. > > Keep watching, > > The Producers ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Comics/rock bands Author: aa5287 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu at ccgate Date: 3/19/96 6:39 AM (edit the rest) I think it would be good to keep on these people about it. In the tv and radio business for every letter from a viewer/listener, it equates to a certain number of viewers. I don't know what is is, but if a bunch of us take the time to write and bug them, maybe they will listen. I mailed this to : antigravity at ytv.ca But another kind listmember also supplied the http link. ( sorry, don't remember who, too much short term memory loss ;-) See ya in the mutation zone! Duane -- " Back to the earth I screamed, and no one listened to me. Back to the earth I lived, and they all followed..." Rusted Root From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Wed Apr 10 20:05:53 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:05:53 EDT Subject: BRAIN: Angry Salad rulz!!! Message-ID: _Small school politics have put a hold on a possible Brain Surgeons show at Alfred University_ or _I should have joined the SAB_. enjoy... >From: AUVAX::SAB 10-APR-1996 17:34:14.62 >To: AUVAX::HALLIGBT >CC: >Subj: RE: Surgeons Update? >Brian, > They did not win in our voting but i did speak with Deborah [...] > So, if one of our "winning" bands does not work out, we will keep them in mind >. thanks for your interest and effort, we really appreciate it, and don't let >this stop you, if we don't bring then next semester keep trying and keep >coming to our events!!(aNGRY SALAD FRIDAY) Oh, well if I had known that Angry Salad might play, then I wouldn't have even tried to get tBS to play here :P It's a guarantee that at least 3 of the bands are pet projects of the top members of the Student Activities Board. This isn't a gripe against the board, I'm just wishing I joined SAB before it was too late... Of course if anything changes I'll let everyone know so that those of us too far Upstate to see them in NYC will have the opportunity. Peace, Brian From JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM Wed Apr 10 23:55:18 1996 From: JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM (JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:55:18 -0400 Subject: HW: Cover Project: US tapes: The End is Near (at last) Message-ID: Allan, I've used Maxwell blank tape for about 25 years now and I swear by it. XL2-S is my favorite variety. All for home use, nothing commercial. Go for it! Also, if you'd like to make it easy how about rounding up to at least $12.00. I know your time is worth alot more than (40 cents), not to mention the wear and tear on your dupe machine; besides, I and hopefully all of those who are interested am extremely grateful for all of your efforts in getting this project into our hands!!! Jeff From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Apr 11 01:06:40 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:06:40 -0400 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock CD Message-ID: Manuel writes: The cover and the inside sleeve are the same color photo of around 1975-76. Al is smiling, and you can barely see Joe. I'm suprized that you haven't gotten a copy of it. Doesn't Al get some kind of royalty or something for these rereleases? Ha ha ha! That's probably the funniest joke I've heard all day. From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Apr 10 10:25:50 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:25:50 +1100 Subject: HW: Remasters Message-ID: Just had a phone call from a local DJ .... The remasters have just arrived in one store at least in Melbourne (imported ... not local release). The bad news? The guy who told me allready bought the only copies in that store. The worse news? He paid $A40 each .... that was a discount 'coz he's a regular .. shoulda been $A45 (that's about 22.50 UK money or $31.500 USD) They didn't have SR .... maybe it was too expensive for the store? Paul (sadly dissillusioned) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Apr 10 10:32:35 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:32:35 +1100 Subject: HW: Steve Swindells new CD Message-ID: Just heard from SS, and he has this to say .... Look out for 'Hypnotised' by XXXXX (name not yet decided) which I have co-written and produced with Loretta Hayward, formerly of Bomb The Bass. Hmmm .... -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Apr 10 10:49:03 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:49:03 +1100 Subject: OFF: Calling Keith H Message-ID: Hey Keith .... Still can't mail you :( Just letting you know that the tapes went in the mail an hour ago! Paul/Soniqu=E9 -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Apr 11 06:46:10 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 06:46:10 -0400 Subject: HW: Assembled trivia -Reply Message-ID: Jill peeved: >peeve> lunar eclipse tonight and another day of solid ten-tenths cloud >cover. Where is there a "cloudbuster" when you need it - come back >Reich, I've forgiven you at least. Ha! It was really excellent in Senegal... :) - Andy (with serious suntan) From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Apr 11 06:46:14 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 06:46:14 -0400 Subject: BOC: Decouvertes a Paris Message-ID: I was poncing down the Champs Elysees the other day (as you do) and I popped into the Virgin Megastore, and after being bowled over by the prices (ca. 150 ff for a regular CD, which is about 20 quid these days, what with the _franc fort_ an' all), I spotted a couple of interesting items. One was a two-pack of _T&M_ and _ST_ in a slip-case, with a kinda psychedelic drawing of the band on the front. I think this was a CBS-Disques France thing, because I also saw a two-pack of _Trust_ and _Repression_ by Trust (who were pretty much the NWOFHM on their lonesomes) with a band drawing by the same artist. The other was in the German indie section, an album entitled _Breathe_, by a band called Revolution by Night. Which could be a coincidence, but I dunno. - Andy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 11 07:42:25 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:42:25 +0100 Subject: BOC in Hartford REVIEW In-Reply-To: from "jean l delacour" at Apr 10, 96 04:46:17 pm Message-ID: >> If you want to do more than just see Joe Bouchard-- and take away something >> that might have some actual relevance as regards the understanding of music-- >> he'll be in residence at the National Guitar camp this summer (reachable via >> NGSW @ aol.com). >> > No, it's alright. That sounds too heavy and intellectual for me. > It's only rock and roll, and I like it, but I don't delve too much on > "deep meamings". Life is filled enough with complications. > I just enjoy the music. Deep intellectual revelations you might not get at National Guitar camp, but Joe might teach you how to play bass :) I've always enjoyed music in various forms, but _playing_ brings a whole new realm of delight. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 11 08:18:00 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:18:00 +0100 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock CD In-Reply-To: <960411010638_188900939@emout07.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Apr 11, 96 01:06:40 am Message-ID: > Manuel writes: >> The cover and the inside sleeve are the same color photo of around 1975-76. >> I'm suprized that you haven't gotten a copy of it. Doesn't Al get >> some kind of royalty or something for these rereleases? > > Ha ha ha! That's probably the funniest joke I've heard all day. I think we can safely say that by this Deb means "No." ;) Truly the ways of the music industry are swamped with iniquity, to a degree that I don't think most fans have an awareness of (and judging my the usual comment of new members "Damn! I didn't want to know that, but I guess I've learned something" they're probably happier if less wise that way ;) this sort of thing, which is not exactly confined to Al & BOC. Happy are the innocent (but damned are they if they wander into the music industry--damned is most of the music industry anyway ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Apr 11 09:20:50 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:20:50 -0400 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock CD In-Reply-To: <960411010638_188900939@emout07.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Apr 11, 96 01:06:40 am Message-ID: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM writes: > > Manuel writes: >> The cover and the inside sleeve are the same color photo of >> around >> 1975-76. >> >> Al is smiling, and you can barely see Joe. >> >> I'm suprized that you haven't gotten a copy of it. Doesn't Al get >> some kind of royalty or something for these rereleases? > > Ha ha ha! That's probably the funniest joke I've heard all day. Putting my usual cynicism aside, I actually thought that he *did* receieve royalties on these things. Isn't that ASCAP's job - to make sure that he does? At what point does that system break down? Steve From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 11 09:24:15 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:24:15 -0400 Subject: BOC: Interview Message-ID: Paul comments on the interview w/BOC: > So what about the band going independent and starting it's own label? A > reticent Eric Bloom > replies: "We could do that but that's such a difficult thing to do. Because (Tell it to the Brain Surgeons...:) Yeah, I'm starting to wonder if BOC is reluctant to do it because the Brain Surgeons did it. What I mean, perhaps they think that by doing so, they'd have to admit that maybe Albert knows what they should be doing better than they do. If so, well the Bible says "Pride goeth before a fall". > if we did our own > album, which we could do, and put it out on a no name label,we have so many > good songs. We're afraid that no one will ever hear or buy them. Um... if you don't release it, period, then nobody will hear any of these good songs anyway. At least on an independent release *some* people will get to hear it. Agreed. Do these guys think that some major label is suddenly going to come forward and offer them a deal? I mean, if 2 years ago all the major labels turned BOC down, what's suppossed to attract them to BOC now? Hey guys, Miranda and O'Reilly may be good musicians, and "I'd Like to See You in Black" is one good tune, but if you think that those things will make the difference between getting a major deal or not (oh, and I forgot - they also have another "greatest hits" package released by Sony since 2 years ago), then like Deb said, I don't know what you're smokin' these days. John From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Apr 11 09:22:20 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:22:20 +0100 Subject: Off: eclipse was Re: HW: Assembled trivia -Reply In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 11 Apr 1996 06:46:10 EDT." <960411064610_188982307@mail06> Message-ID: > Jill peeved: > > >peeve> lunar eclipse tonight and another day of solid ten-tenths cloud > >cover. Where is there a "cloudbuster" when you need it - come back > >Reich, I've forgiven you at least. > > Ha! It was really excellent in Senegal... :) Weren't bad in Ipswich either. Some of the pics I took of comet Hyakutake turned out pretty awesome too. > - Andy (with serious suntan) Tim (naturally swarthy 8^) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 11 09:29:09 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:29:09 -0400 Subject: BOC: Decouvertes a Paris Message-ID: Andy sez: One was a two-pack of _T&M_ and _ST_ in a slip-case, with a kinda psychedelic drawing of the band on the front. I think this was a CBS-Disques France I asked Bolle once about some such 2-pack. He told me it was a European package, but that the discs were the same as the ones we all know and love. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 11 09:32:10 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:32:10 -0400 Subject: BOC in Hartford REVIEW Message-ID: Carl writes: > Deep intellectual revelations you might not get at National Guitar camp, but Joe might teach you how to play bass :) Yeah, Joe's suppossed to come out with some sort of book or manual that would be published through these workshops. Anyone know how he's coming on this (he promised to get a copy to me whenever it gets done)? > I've always enjoyed music in various forms, but _playing_ brings a whole new realm of delight. Definitely - or, in my case *attempting* to play . . . ;-) John "These go to eleven..." - Nigel Tufnel, Spinal Tap From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 11 10:58:43 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:58:43 EST Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock CD Message-ID: > >> I'm suprized that you haven't gotten a copy of it. Doesn't Al get > >> some kind of royalty or something for these rereleases? > > > > Ha ha ha! That's probably the funniest joke I've heard all day. > > Putting my usual cynicism aside, I actually thought that he *did* > receieve royalties on these things. Isn't that ASCAP's job - to > make sure that he does? At what point does that system break down? > > Steve I'm just guessing here, but if anything, Al would only get royalties for the songs he wrote, as this is a new recording and Al didn't play on it. Still, some kind of chicanery is happening if Al doesn't get a nickel for the tunes he wrote... theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 11 11:08:14 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:08:14 EST Subject: smokin o.p.'s? Message-ID: > Paul comments on the interview w/BOC: > > > So what about the band going independent and starting it's own label? A > > reticent Eric Bloom > > replies: "We could do that but that's such a difficult thing to do. Because > > (Tell it to the Brain Surgeons...:) > > > Yeah, I'm starting to wonder if BOC is reluctant to do it because the > Brain Surgeons did it. What I mean, perhaps they think that by doing so, > they'd have to admit that maybe Albert knows what they should be doing > better than they do. If so, well the Bible says "Pride goeth before a > fall". > Two dynamics in operation: One, they might have to admit Al has been right all along. 'Course if they hadn't shafted Al and forced him out of the band, they'd likely still be on a major label and still be rich. "The wages of sin indeed." Two, they are likely afraid that the material they have is in no way close to either the Surgeons' stuff or BOC stuff that Al participated in! > > > if we did our own > > album, which we could do, and put it out on a no name label,we have so many > > good songs. We're afraid that no one will ever hear or buy them. > > Um... if you don't release it, period, then nobody will hear any of these > good songs anyway. At least on an independent release *some* people will > get to hear it. > > > > Agreed. Do these guys think that some major label is suddenly going to > come forward and offer them a deal? I mean, if 2 years ago all the major > labels turned BOC down, what's suppossed to attract them to BOC now? > Hey guys, Miranda and O'Reilly may be good musicians, and "I'd Like to > See You in Black" is one good tune, but if you think that those things > will make the difference between getting a major deal or not (oh, and I > forgot - they also have another "greatest hits" package released by Sony > since 2 years ago), then like Deb said, I don't know what you're smokin' > these days. > > John Right! What does he think has changed that would miraculously induce the majors to jump all over them! Better to self-produce, take your lumps, swallow your prode, and leave it up to the fans to decide. If the material is, as E.B. would like to have us believe, really good, then it would stand on its own merit, people would buy it, and the majors would have to reckon with BOC again. It appears to me that what the BOC really wants, is front money. That's the only thing they'd get from a major (aside from 'prestige'). I say put the album oout, 'cause it's going nowhere on its own right now... theo From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Apr 11 10:47:26 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:47:26 -0400 Subject: HW: Question about XC In-Reply-To: from "Allan T Grohe Jr" at Apr 10, 96 05:16:53 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks: Somebody on rec.music.progressive wants to know: >So what does E.M.C. stand for? I couldn't give him an answer....anyone???? This could be something to go into the 'trivia'/FAQ thing we were working on a week or two ago, also. Keith H. From jguizar at EPIX.NET Thu Apr 11 10:52:12 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:52:12 -0500 Subject: OFF Gong & the Ozrics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 04/10/96 at 05:03 PM, Jon Browne said: >In message <13404.9604091817 at abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk>, Dave Berry > writes >>At least Friday's gig will only have one support band (Porcupine Tree). >Where do I start with PT? Sky Moves Sideways? I keep reading how good >they are. That's the only CD I have so far (2 more are on the way). I really like this CD. I've played it for a few people and told them it was new Pink Floyd and they thought it was (it sounds more like older PF to me). -- ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Apr 11 11:09:50 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:09:50 -0400 Subject: HW: Cover Project: US tapes: The End is Near (at last) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: > I talked with the guy at Terrapin a bit and he recommended the XL2Ss over > the metal tapes, since apparently minimum level metal tapes don't get as > nice a sound response as the XL2S (of which I was previosly unaware). > They'll also cover shipping for free, with 4 day UPS delivery. > > If it sounds good to you all, I'll go with the XL2S's, for a total cost I second the recommendation for Maxell XLII-S. They are *GREAT* tapes! I've used them a lot in the past, with superb results (especially when you can fine adjust the bias setting on your tape deck, to "tune" it to the tapes). "Superchrome" tapes, such as the XLII-S, also usually have much lower noise than metal tapes. I say go with the the Maxell XLII-S instead of the metal tapes. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Gary Moore, _Blues for Greeny_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jguizar at EPIX.NET Thu Apr 11 11:24:42 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:24:42 -0500 Subject: HW: Cover Project: US tapes: The End is Near (at last) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In , on 04/10/96 at 05:16 PM, Allan T Grohe Jr said: >If it sounds good to you all, I'll go with the XL2S's, for a total cost >of: > tapes $6.10 > postage/packing $4.00 (that me, by USPS 1st class) > covering contributors $1.50 (cost is for 7 sets: I forgot that > Dave would be doing some of >these) > ----- > $11.60 >Reactions? (Beyond the "let's get this show on the road" variety ;-) That sounds good to me. I haven't really compared any of the metal type tapes not having a good system with that option for a while. I sent one of the Sony SR 90's to either Joe or Mike. Don't know if they've used it yet. Anyway, since most of my experience is with Type II (CrO2) tapes, I'll accept the opinion of those who use the Type IV's. ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Thu Apr 11 11:26:00 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:26:00 -0500 Subject: HW Hawks on scifi? In-Reply-To: <199604102308.AA05674@freenet> Message-ID: In <199604102308.AA05674 at freenet>, on 04/10/96 at 07:08 PM, Duane Hoyt said: >I mailed this to : >antigravity at ytv.ca >But another kind listmember also supplied the http link. ( sorry, don't >remember who, too much short term memory loss ;-) Let's see if I can remember: http://www.antigrav.com - Antigravity Room http://www.scifi.com - The Dominion (SciFi channel) ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Apr 11 11:52:21 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:52:21 -0400 Subject: NIK: Japan? Message-ID: > >>> Nik Turner's Hawkwind >>> Nik Turner - vocal, sax, flute >>> DEl Dattmer - synth >>> Simon House - vln >>> Alan Powell - percussions >> >> That's a pretty stripped down Hawkwind, unless it is listing only >>they original members! >> >>Cheers, >>Carl >> >Just a point of clarification, I thought Nikwind was in Japan, not Hawkwind. >Or is Nik calling himself HW there thinking the real HW won't find out? Here we go again. I don't want to start this thread of Nik vs Dave again. But if you look at the lineup and listen to (Nik)(Hawk)Wind play: they ARE the real Hawkwind in any sense of the word (except legally) Martyn From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Apr 11 12:28:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:28:00 EDT Subject: HW: Oh no, it's Nik versus Dave! Message-ID: >But if you look at the lineup and listen to (Nik)(Hawk)Wind >play: they ARE the real Hawkwind in any sense of the word (except legally) >Martyn Only in the way that Pete Best is part of the real Beatles line up. I'm a fan of 79 and 85-90 era HW the most, and Nik and the rest of these guys didn't play that much of a role. For me, Huw, Dave, Harvey, Alan, and Richard are HW. The rest were good tries at the right line up. I'm still shocked to have found out HW toured in 91 without Dave. That's when FoFP should have started a riot. Nikwind is a whole different critter, but I haven't heard the sets from this tour. Rudy From brentmcd at DEM.EHNR.STATE.NC.US Thu Apr 11 13:33:39 1996 From: brentmcd at DEM.EHNR.STATE.NC.US (Brent C. McDonald) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:33:39 EST Subject: BOC: Interview Message-ID: comments on the interview w/BOC: > So what about the band going independent and starting it's own label? > A reticent Eric Bloom replies: "We could do that but that's such a > difficult thing to do. (Tell it to the Brain Surgeons...:) Yeah... (SNIP) ... "Pride goeth before a fall". Methinks you just hit the nail on the head. Stuff your pride, BOC; stop living in the past. Just put out the music. Isn't that what it's all about?!? From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 11 17:38:41 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:38:41 BST Subject: Off: eclipse was Re: HW: Assembled trivia -Reply In-Reply-To: bart's message of Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:22:20 +0100 Message-ID: bart writes: > > Jill peeved: > > > > >peeve> lunar eclipse tonight and another day of solid ten-tenths cloud > > >cover. Where is there a "cloudbuster" when you need it - come back > > >Reich, I've forgiven you at least. > > > > Ha! It was really excellent in Senegal... :) > > Weren't bad in Ipswich either. Some of the pics I took of comet Hyakutake > turned out pretty awesome too. > hmmmm - would you be willing to do a biggish glossy coloured print for me of one of them? I'll pay! I'd like very much to add it to the other astronomical pics I've got scattered around the office. I gave up on the eclipse, went to bed at midnight and understand the clouds cleared beautifully by 1.00am giving an excellent view. Sigh. It's been that sort of a month 8-( > > - Andy (with serious suntan) > and I know someone who's been skiing in France all week where the weather also looks to have been magnificent jealously jill HW ontopic bright spot> Secret Teepee coming! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 11 17:48:42 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:48:42 BST Subject: NIK: Japan? In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:13:38 -0400 Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: > >> Nik Turner's Hawkwind > >> Nik Turner - vocal, sax, flute > >> DEl Dattmer - synth > >> Simon House - vln > >> Alan Powell - percussions > > > > That's a pretty stripped down Hawkwind, unless it is listing only > >they original members! > > > >Cheers, > >Carl > > > Just a point of clarification, I thought Nikwind was in Japan, not Hawkwind. > Or is Nik calling himself HW there thinking the real HW won't find out? > This is "Nik Turner's 'Hawkwind'" which is the name Nik originally went on tour to the States with. Unfortunately the publicity people consistently forgot to add the "Nik Turner's" bit and announced it as "Hawkwind" with Nik Turner (I think!). Maybe the same sort of thing happened in Japan although it is most interesting to see that none of Pressurehed - or indeed anyone else - gets a mention. This makes it the closest to a genuinely re-constituted Hawkwind that has been created so far. Probably Japan is the only place he'd have got away with it - and given that the genuine Hawkwind will almost certainly never tour there it's the closest to live Hawkwind that most Japanese fans will probably ever get. Which was probably his raison d'etre (or whatever) for doing it I'd guess. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Apr 11 13:12:40 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:12:40 -0400 Subject: Off: eclipse was Re: HW: Assembled trivia -Reply Message-ID: >I gave up on the eclipse, went to bed at midnight and understand the >clouds cleared beautifully by 1.00am giving an excellent view. Sigh. This was a very interesting eclipse in the US. The moon started rising about 6.30 in its nearly fully eclipsed state. As it rose in the sky, it gradually got bigger from the bottom up >jill Martyn From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 11 16:08:56 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:08:56 EST Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock CD Message-ID: > I think we can safely say that by this Deb means "No." ;) > Truly the ways of the music industry are swamped with iniquity, > to a degree that I don't think most fans have an awareness of (and judging > my the usual comment of new members "Damn! I didn't want to know that, but > I guess I've learned something" they're probably happier if less wise that > way ;) this sort of thing, which is not exactly confined to Al & BOC. > Happy are the innocent (but damned are they if they wander into the > music industry--damned is most of the music industry anyway ;) > > Cheers, > Carl > Ignorance is bliss, but don't figure on it providing any immunity from grief, tragedy, etc. It's been tough coming to the realization that my heroes have behaved like assholes, but it hasn't really altered my opinion of them as musicians. Just because people are tremendously talented doesn't excuse them from the usual human frailties, nor does it make their past recorded work any less brilliant. The way I see it, they're paying a Coleridgian price for their treatment of Al, both in their careers, and in the esteem of their fans... theo From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Apr 11 15:43:05 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:43:05 -0400 Subject: HW: Cover Project: US tapes: The End is Near (at last) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Apr 11, 96 11:09:50 am Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: > > > I talked with the guy at Terrapin a bit and he recommended the XL2Ss over > > the metal tapes, since apparently minimum level metal tapes don't get as > > nice a sound response as the XL2S (of which I was previosly unaware). > > They'll also cover shipping for free, with 4 day UPS delivery. > > > > If it sounds good to you all, I'll go with the XL2S's, for a total cost > > I second the recommendation for Maxell XLII-S. They are *GREAT* tapes! > I've used them a lot in the past, with superb results (especially when > you can fine adjust the bias setting on your tape deck, to "tune" it to > the tapes). "Superchrome" tapes, such as the XLII-S, also usually have > much lower noise than metal tapes. > > I say go with the the Maxell XLII-S instead of the metal tapes. The only tapes I ever used that were better than Maxell XL-IIS are Sony UX-PRO, and those are a LOT more expensive, for a small gain (and that mostly in durability, rather than sound quality - the Maxells might even have a slight edge in sound quality). I know metal tapes have the best spec sheets, but I've never had any luck with them. I suspect that you need really high quality equipment to take advantage of them, while top of the line Type II's sound good on anything. I say go with XL-IIS. Steve From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Apr 11 15:59:57 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 15:59:57 -0400 Subject: HW: Oh no, it's Nik versus Dave! In-Reply-To: <316CA728@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Apr 11, 96 12:28:00 pm Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > > >But if you look at the lineup and listen to (Nik)(Hawk)Wind > >play: they ARE the real Hawkwind in any sense of the word (except legally) > > >Martyn > > Only in the way that Pete Best is part of the real Beatles line up. I'm a > fan of 79 and 85-90 era HW the most, and Nik and the rest of these guys > didn't play that much of a role. For me, Huw, Dave, Harvey, Alan, and > Richard are HW. The rest were good tries at the right line up. I'm still > shocked to have found out HW toured in 91 without Dave. That's when FoFP > should have started a riot. Nikwind is a whole different critter, but I > haven't heard the sets from this tour. Well, people have strong feelings about this, both ways. So, keeping in mind that these are just my highly subjective observations... To me, Nikwind just doesn't sound like Hawkwind. They sound like Pressurehed. I never saw them with Helios Creed on guitar, maybe that would have made the difference. But their guitar sound is lacking something, and to me, the guitar is the core of the Hawkwind sound (the spine of god?). ;-) The fact that a lot of ex-Hawkwind members are now in Nikwind lends credibility to the idea that there are "two" legitimate contenders to the title of Hawkwind - but the fact is that one sounds like Hawkwind, while the other sounds like Pressurehed with guest musicians. Steve From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Apr 11 17:07:34 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:07:34 -0400 Subject: HW: Oh no, it's Nik versus Dave! In-Reply-To: <199604111959.PAA00920@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: Steve writes: > To me, Nikwind just doesn't sound like Hawkwind. They sound like > Pressurehed. I never saw them with Helios Creed on guitar, maybe that > would have made the difference. But their guitar sound is lacking > something, and to me, the guitar is the core of the Hawkwind sound (the > spine of god?). ;-) The fact that a lot of ex-Hawkwind members are now in > Nikwind lends credibility to the idea that there are "two" legitimate > contenders to the title of Hawkwind - but the fact is that one sounds like > Hawkwind, while the other sounds like Pressurehed with guest musicians. I think Rudy hit the nail on the head when he said, effectively, that everybody's idea of the "true" Hawkwind will differ according to their favourite lineup/time period. I am reminded of that scene in the film _Spartactus_. Imagine it: "Will the real Hawkwind come forward?" Dave Brock shuffles around, amidst a tumult of emotions. Then, from his right, up jumps Huw Lloyd-Langton and the heavy metal Hawkwind of the 80s, proudly claiming, "I'm Hawkwind!" Then, to his left stands up Nik, declaring, "I'm Hawkwind!" Up lumbers Lemmy, and the early 70s incarnation, shouting, "I'm Hawkwind!" Soon there are a chorus of voices: Space Ritual era, Bob Calvert era, 80s Nik era, 90s Nikwind, 3Wind, etc. etc. all bellowing, "I'm Hawkwind!" Which one is Hawkwind? You decide. But I suspect that decision is based more upon whether you like their output more than whether they have "legitimate" claim to the title. It could be argued (especially by the Swedish Hawkfans on this list) that Nik Turner is playing more in the "Hawkwind style" of old than Hawkwind are today. By all accounts, the NiXtar show was a blinder... To me, _Space Ritual '94_ Nikwind sounds a bit like the 80s heavy metal Hawkwind. It doesn't sound much like Pressurehed. I'm waiting to hear _Past or Future_ (when my local eventually manages to order it for me!). Cheers, Paul. obCD: Gary Moore, _Blues for Greeny_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Apr 11 17:11:49 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:11:49 -0400 Subject: HW: Oh no, it's Nik versus Dave! Message-ID: >Well, people have strong feelings about this, both ways. So, keeping >in mind that these are just my highly subjective observations... > >To me, Nikwind just doesn't sound like Hawkwind. They sound like >Pressurehed. I never saw them with Helios Creed on guitar, maybe that >would have made the difference. Lest we forget, Steve, you turned down my invitation to come and see them in Chapel Hill and you was only as far away as Raleigh... something about a girlfriend I seem to remember (when will you get your priorities right? ;-) Ah well at least you came to Greenville to see that other band .. what are they called ... something to do with seafood I think >Steve Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Apr 11 17:44:03 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:44:03 -0400 Subject: HW: Oh no, it's Nik versus Dave! Message-ID: >I think Rudy hit the nail on the head when he said, effectively, that >everybody's idea of the "true" Hawkwind will differ according to their >favourite lineup/time period. I am reminded of that scene in the film >_Spartactus_. Imagine it: "Will the real Hawkwind come forward?" Dave >Brock shuffles around, amidst a tumult of emotions. Then, from his >right, up jumps Huw Lloyd-Langton and the heavy metal Hawkwind of the >80s, proudly claiming, "I'm Hawkwind!" Then, to his left stands up Nik, >declaring, "I'm Hawkwind!" Up lumbers Lemmy, and the early 70s >incarnation, shouting, "I'm Hawkwind!" Soon there are a chorus of >voices: Space Ritual era, Bob Calvert era, 80s Nik era, 90s Nikwind, >3Wind, etc. etc. all bellowing, "I'm Hawkwind!" But I would argue that, regardless of one's personal opinions of the merits of various HW incarnations, Nick was there under the flyover in London having a smoke when Hawkwind was conceived in the 60s. He was there outside the Isle of Wight festival. Indeed it was his rhinological peculiarity and his extraordinary flatulence that gave birth to the name "HAWK-WIND". Therefore I am sympathetic to him using the name Nik Turner's Hawkwind when he tours Martyn From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Apr 11 18:45:25 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 16:45:25 -0600 Subject: BOC Tour Dates In-Reply-To: <199604091334.GAA09100@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: BOL-L People; Here's the latest tour dates as posted on Netscape; "ON Tour Forever!!!" 4-13 Deerfield, Ill 4-14 Grand Rapids, MI 5-01 St. Joe, MN 5-02 Hamel, MN 5-03 Fargo, ND 5-13 Louisville, ND (I think it's actually KY) 5-14 Cincinnati, OH 5-19 Joplin, MO 6-04 Dallas, TX (With Styx & Kansas) "Hasbeen Fest'96" 6-05 Hoffman Estates, ILL 6-06 Oakwood, IN Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu Apr 11 18:55:22 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:55:22 -0400 Subject: NIK: Japan? Message-ID: > >> >>>> Nik Turner's Hawkwind >>>> Nik Turner - vocal, sax, flute >>>> DEl Dattmer - synth >>>> Simon House - vln >>>> Alan Powell - percussions >>> >>> That's a pretty stripped down Hawkwind, unless it is listing only >>>they original members! >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Carl >>> >>Just a point of clarification, I thought Nikwind was in Japan, not Hawkwind. >>Or is Nik calling himself HW there thinking the real HW won't find out? > > Here we go again. I don't want to start this thread of Nik vs >Dave again. But if you look at the lineup and listen to (Nik)(Hawk)Wind >play: they ARE the real Hawkwind in any sense of the word (except legally) > >Martyn > > I did not in any way want to start that thread, sorry. It is a dead issue as far as I am concerned. You are correct though, there is more HW in the above lineup than in the lineup calling itself HW right now. I guess in order to be called HW, you must have Doug as a manger! Duane -- "Running round in circles, nowhere left to go. Too many uniforms, trying to run the show." Yngwie Malmsteen From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Apr 11 18:55:53 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:55:53 -0400 Subject: BOC: Decouvertes a Paris Message-ID: Speaking of Paris-- Is anyone familiar with the magazine put out by the French Cult fan club, Blue Pearl? There's a great new issue. DF From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Apr 11 19:12:00 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:12:00 -0400 Subject: HW: NiXtar - Nikwind In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Apr 11, 96 05:07:34 pm Message-ID: Paul sayz... > Which one is Hawkwind? You decide. But I suspect that decision is based > more upon whether you like their output more than whether they have > "legitimate" claim to the title. It could be argued (especially by the > Swedish Hawkfans on this list) that Nik Turner is playing more in the > "Hawkwind style" of old than Hawkwind are today. By all accounts, the > NiXtar show was a blinder... Yeah, after listening to quite a bit of DarXtar lately (thanks, Chuck), I'd say that stylistically-speaking, DarXtar + Nik is closer to Hawkwind than the Pressurehed-Nikwind I saw two years ago....I haven't yet gotten PoF, so can't say 'bout that show (looked a lot better, from the tracklist alone). But I say this about NiXtar mainly because of the 'Xtar' part...so maybe we should have called that gig Darkwind or something, leaving Nik out of it entirely. :) Despite being a founding member, and a songwriter for a half-dozen or so classic HW tracks, I don't see Nik's musical contribution as being much more than an 'effect', ie., a single extra layer of sound over top of the basic rhythms below...in that context, his sax/flute plays no more role in the sound as Simon House's violin or Blake's/Harvey's synth lines or Moorcock's/Calvert's 'over the top' ranting (vocals other than standard verses, that is). (Could there then, also be a legitimate 'Housewind' or 'Blakewind' -I don't think so.) Meanwhile, the "core" of Brock/Lemmy or Davey/King or Chadwick is really playing the song underneath. Of course, both elements are important to the overall HW sound, it's just that I only see the latter as being something that you can build a band on, and call it Hawkwind. And none of these guys are playing with Nik....he's only got the 'top' parts of classic HW, ie. the synth, violin, sax, flute, and (God forbid)....his singing. Then Pressurehed plays the role of the bottom part...not really Hawkwind IMHO. So, in this context, the 'style' argument from Paul is no longer applicable. Just because he played old HW standards for a length of time similar to that which HW played them years ago doesn't mean squat to me. The bottom line is, Nikwind couldn't pull them off IMHO....they were just rather dull and boring as opposed to brilliant and lively (with Brock, Lem, etc. the reason...see SR for details). > To me, _Space Ritual '94_ Nikwind sounds a bit like the 80s heavy metal > Hawkwind. Not to me....the early 80's HW played standard verse/chorus/verse/chorus/guitar solo/verse/chorus/end songs more than any other version of Hawkwind - with the exception of Church of Hawkwind, which doesn't really fit in with the others of the same time (could really be more of a Brock solo work I think). I don't hear this in the Nikwind material. And Huwy's solos and Helios' work aren't really very similar either I don't think. But it was pretty heavy & driving though...maybe that's what you were referring to.... Well, that's all I'm going to say about this thread....one of these days, it'll become a dead horse, and we'll all get on with it...but not yet. :) Keith H. From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Thu Apr 11 20:18:59 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:18:59 +0100 Subject: HW: NiXtar - Nikwind In-Reply-To: <199604112312.TAA15517@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Reply to Keith A Henderson about Re: HW: NiXtar - Nikwind >Despite being a founding member, and a songwriter for a half-dozen or so >classic HW tracks, I don't see Nik's musical contribution as being much more >than an 'effect', ie., a single extra layer of sound over top of the basic >rhythms below...in that context, his sax/flute plays no more role in the soun >as Simon House's violin or Blake's/Harvey's synth lines or Moorcock's/Calvert >'over the top' ranting (vocals other than standard verses, that is). (Could >there then, also be a legitimate 'Housewind' or 'Blakewind' -I don't think so >Meanwhile, the "core" of Brock/Lemmy or Davey/King or Chadwick is really >playing the song underneath. Of course, both elements are important to the >overall HW sound, it's just that I only see the latter as being something tha >you can build a band on, and call it Hawkwind. And none of these guys are >playing with Nik....he's only got the 'top' parts of classic HW, ie. the synt >violin, sax, flute, and (God forbid)....his singing. Then Pressurehed plays >the role of the bottom part...not really Hawkwind IMHO. IMHO this is hugely underestimating Nik's role in Hawkwind. I am not a big Nik fan but I feel he should get credit for a bit more then a few songs and sound effects. Saying his role was simular to House or Blake is very unfair. He had a major input into the bands sound(IMHO). >'Church Of Hawkwind could really be more of a Brock solo work I think). I always understood(from information in HawkFan at the time) that it was a Brock album with Huw and Harvey helping out. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk "A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window" From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Apr 11 21:16:31 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 21:16:31 -0400 Subject: HW: NiXtar - Nikwind In-Reply-To: <199604112312.TAA15517@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Apr 1996, Keith A Henderson wrote: > Despite being a founding member, and a songwriter for a half-dozen or so > classic HW tracks, I don't see Nik's musical contribution as being much more > than an 'effect', ie., a single extra layer of sound over top of the basic > rhythms below...in that context, his sax/flute plays no more role in the sound > as Simon House's violin or Blake's/Harvey's synth lines or Moorcock's/Calvert's > 'over the top' ranting (vocals other than standard verses, that is). (Could > there then, also be a legitimate 'Housewind' or 'Blakewind' -I don't think so.) Do not underestimate the input of individual members. Where would _Warrior..._ be without the input of Simon House? The best incarnations of bands are synergies; no member is redundant (see The Beatles for details; none of the four were particularly great individually, but combined they produced marvelous music, IMHO). > Meanwhile, the "core" of Brock/Lemmy or Davey/King or Chadwick is really > playing the song underneath. Of course, both elements are important to the > overall HW sound, it's just that I only see the latter as being something that > you can build a band on, and call it Hawkwind. And none of these guys are > playing with Nik....he's only got the 'top' parts of classic HW, ie. the synth, > violin, sax, flute, and (God forbid)....his singing. Then Pressurehed plays > the role of the bottom part...not really Hawkwind IMHO. So, in effect, you are saying that it is the rhythm section that defines a band? Although I lean towards being more of a fan of rhythm than melody, I'd have to disagree with you. An obvious counterexample: Stevie Ray Vaughn and Double Trouble. IMHO, you could slip anyone in behind SRV and you'd not notice much difference. The reverse isn't true, though. To some people, Calvert-era Hawkwind is *the* Hawkwind. None of the rhythm section you mention were present then; it was the "front men" who "defined" the sound. As for 80s-era heavy metal Hawkwind (which some have publicly declared to be the "real" Hawkwind), you have Harvey Bainbridge playing bass (for some of the time, at least), and Danny Thompson on drums providing the "bottom end." Both are normally lambasted. In that era, Huwy and Dave "defined" the sound. So it seems there are two "favourite" incarnations of Hawkwind that had, essentially, "faceless" rhythm sections. > So, in this context, the 'style' argument from Paul is no longer applicable. > Just because he played old HW standards for a length of time similar to that > which HW played them years ago doesn't mean squat to me. The bottom line is, > Nikwind couldn't pull them off IMHO....they were just rather dull and boring as > opposed to brilliant and lively (with Brock, Lem, etc. the reason...see SR for > details). And, again, it comes down to a matter of taste in the end. You didn't like Nikwind playing SR-era standards because they didn't sound like the SR-era band. It may be pertinent to point out that neither does the contemporary band. Why? Because the same chemistry does not exist because the same members are not present. So does that mean the "real" Hawkwind no longer exists? In some people's mind, yes. In some others, it never existed until the 80s. For some others it died with Calvert. All are right, for them. It's ridiculous to say "Nik doesn't sound like Hawkwind," because then you have to define what Hawkwind are "meant" to sound like. And if you can do that, you're a better man than I... ;-) > > To me, _Space Ritual '94_ Nikwind sounds a bit like the 80s heavy metal > > Hawkwind. > > really very similar either I don't think. But it was pretty heavy & driving > though...maybe that's what you were referring to.... Yes, the relentless, even paced, music is what I was referring to (as opposed to the looser, more fluid music of the earlier Hawkwind). > Well, that's all I'm going to say about this thread....one of these days, it'll > become a dead horse, and we'll all get on with it...but not yet. :) Well, IMHO, it is a non-thread. Some people seem to get riled up when they see any mention of Nik Turner using the name Hawkwind (especially when he goes under the monniker "Nik Turner's Hawkwind"). IMHO, he has as much right to it as any, especially when he has so many ex-members playing with him. I don't know why people get so het up about it. All I was trying to say in my post was not that I am pro-Nik, but that "Hawkwind is in the eye of the beholder." :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Jeff Healey Band, _Cover to Cover_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Thu Apr 11 21:48:44 1996 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 20:48:44 -0500 Subject: NIK: Japan? Message-ID: Martyn writes: > Here we go again. I don't want to start this thread of Nik vs > Dave again. But if you look at the lineup and listen to (Nik)(Hawk)Wind > play: they ARE the real Hawkwind in any sense of the word (except legally) I agree completely. When people ask me about the current status of Hawkwind, I usually explain that there are currently two versions floating around. One version holds legal rights to the name and is led by a megalomaniac who has alienated and/or fired all the people who helped create the HW phenomenon back in the '70s. The other version, which actually includes original members, as well as twisted/psyche pioneer Helios Creed (though not recently), is led by a colorful freak who has at least tried to maintain what is, for me, the band's defining attributes: quasi-cosmic space conciousness, anarchy, and a surreal sense of humor. I still think "Watching the grass grow" is a better song than anything Brock or his boys have come up with in the past 15 years! These are just opinions - pls don't slam me... Chris From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Apr 11 22:16:52 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:16:52 -0400 Subject: HW: Oh no, it's Nik versus Dave! In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Apr 11, 96 05:07:34 pm Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > I think Rudy hit the nail on the head when he said, effectively, that > everybody's idea of the "true" Hawkwind will differ according to their > favourite lineup/time period. I am reminded of that scene in the film > > Which one is Hawkwind? You decide. But I suspect that decision is based > more upon whether you like their output more than whether they have > "legitimate" claim to the title. Well, I think that's pretty much what I said. Both bands have a clear lineage. I was indulging in some idle observations as to which one "sounds" more like one expects Hawkwind to sound. > It could be argued (especially by the > Swedish Hawkfans on this list) that Nik Turner is playing more in the > "Hawkwind style" of old than Hawkwind are today. By all accounts, the > NiXtar show was a blinder... > > To me, _Space Ritual '94_ Nikwind sounds a bit like the 80s heavy metal > Hawkwind. It doesn't sound much like Pressurehed. I'm waiting to hear > _Past or Future_ (when my local eventually manages to order it for me!). Wasn't _Space Ritual '94_ recorded with Helios Creed on guitar? That's why I specifically qualified my statements with the fact that I have never heard Nikwind+Helios. From the accounts that I have heard, that show sounded distinctly more Hawkwind-ish than this past year's tour, with just the Pressurehed guys on bass and guitar. When I saw them in NYC, they sounded like Pressurehed, with Nik on vocals. I couldn't hear Del in the mix at all, and the only reason I could pick out Simon's contribution was because I was standing right in front of him, and could *see* what he was playing, and thus strain my ears to catch it. On the other hand, when I saw Hawkwind, they bloody well sounded like Hawkwind. They played far too much ambient stuff for my taste (including breaking up Hassan I Sabha by inserting some ambient piece right into the middle of it), but it was still distinctly Hawkwind, and when they powered up their instruments (Dave's guitar saw all too little action), they damn near rocked the walls down. The truth of the matter is, that I *wish* Nik sounded more like Hawkwind, because he played a much superior selection of old favorites and interesting new stuff than did Brockwind. He also seemed much more interested in the fans, deigning to *speak* to them, even. He's a real gentleman and a great performer. His backup band are a fine bunch. I Pressurehed a lot, in fact I play _Infadrone_ all the time. But that still didn't make them sound like *any* recognisable or imaginable Hawkwind era, and I found that somewhat unsatisfying. Steve From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Apr 11 22:22:22 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:22:22 -0400 Subject: HW: Oh no, it's Nik versus Dave! In-Reply-To: <9604112111.AA10597@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Apr 11, 96 05:11:49 pm Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > > >Pressurehed. I never saw them with Helios Creed on guitar, maybe that > >would have made the difference. > > Lest we forget, Steve, you turned down my invitation to > come and see them in Chapel Hill and you was only as far away as > Raleigh... something about a girlfriend I seem to remember (when > will you get your priorities right? ;-) Shhhhh. She's listening. If she finds out I didn't take her to see Nikwind, she'll pour boiling water over my head. > Ah well at least you came to Greenville to see that other > band .. what are they called ... something to do with seafood I think Some golden oldie band. Say, isn't it like the 10th anniversary of their last album? Should we have a party? Steve From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Apr 12 01:52:37 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:52:37 -0400 Subject: HW: NiXtar - Nikwind In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Apr 11, 96 09:16:31 pm Message-ID: Well, I promised I was finished with this, but alas....... Paul replies... >>(Could there then, also be a legitimate 'Housewind' or 'Blakewind' -I don't >>think so.) > Do not underestimate the input of individual members. Where would > _Warrior..._ be without the input of Simon House? The best incarnations > of bands are synergies; no member is redundant I'm not underestimating these individuals at all...in fact, there are numerous examples of Hawkwind songs that couldn't exist without certain single members. For example, HW played 'Wind of Change' on the first recent NA tour and without the House solo, it was severely lacking....and you could come up with a whole bunch of 'Huw', 'Blake', 'Harvey', 'Bridget' tracks that couldn't be done at the moment. But that doesn't mean that any of these people could front their own band called 'Hawkwind' and be justified in doing so (except for maybe Ginger Baker). :) Tim Blake live played a couple of pieces from his HW-time....New Jerusalem, Lighthouse, Space Chase I think, and *he* didn't call himself "Tim Blake's Hawkwind". (I admit that this would be significantly more outlandish than what Nik is doing, BTW). >> Meanwhile, the "core" of Brock/Lemmy or Davey/King or Chadwick is really >> playing the song underneath. Of course, both elements are important to the >> overall HW sound, it's just that I only see the latter as being something >> that you can build a band on, and call it Hawkwind. And none of these guys >> are playing with Nik....he's only got the 'top' parts of classic HW, ie. the >> synth, violin, sax, flute, and (God forbid)....his singing. Then >> Pressurehed plays the role of the bottom part...not really Hawkwind IMHO. > So, in effect, you are saying that it is the rhythm section that defines > a band? No, that's not what I said....to repeat, "both elements are important to the overall HW sound, it's just that I only see the latter as being something that you can build a band on, and call it Hawkwind" and that last part is very important....AND CALL IT HAWKWIND. Nik forming a band of musicians to act as his rhythm section for himself and the other ex-Hawks is fine, it's just that I don't see that it can be nearly as legit from either a musical or legal perspective as the real thing. And music is often taught to people in terms of a 'pyramid', fat on the bottom (laying the foundation, so to speak), and then adding the texture above. I think Hawkwind may be the epitome of this, so I guess it's exaggerated in this case. > Although I lean towards being more of a fan of rhythm than > melody, I'd have to disagree with you. An obvious counterexample: Stevie > Ray Vaughn and Double Trouble. IMHO, you could slip anyone in behind SRV > and you'd not notice much difference. The reverse isn't true, though. > Well, I see SRV as a soloist *and* rhythm player (sometimes at the same time, it seemed), so he almost single-handedly 'defined' his entire band ('top' and 'bottom') himself....amazing talent. But you're right, there are exceptions to every rule...but again, early 70's (and 90's again, it seems) Hawkwind was more about rhythm and (I guess Blanga is the going term, now) than any other band, 'cept maybe Can. > To some people, Calvert-era Hawkwind is *the* Hawkwind. None of the > rhythm section you mention were present then; it was the "front men" who > "defined" the sound. As for 80s-era heavy metal Hawkwind (which some > have publicly declared to be the "real" Hawkwind), you have Harvey > Bainbridge playing bass (for some of the time, at least), and Danny > Thompson on drums providing the "bottom end." Both are normally > lambasted. In that era, Huwy and Dave "defined" the sound. So it seems > there are two "favourite" incarnations of Hawkwind that had, essentially, > "faceless" rhythm sections. Yeah, sure, but how many of these songs is Turner playing?? This wasn't his time either (but for the brief 80's stint)...other people have said that his band is more true to the *original* idea than Brock's....so I'm not choosing the grounds by which he's being judged. Not that I'm even judging the quality of the music as being a criterion for using the name (or allowing the name to be used at times, whatever is the case). >> So, in this context, the 'style' argument from Paul is no longer applicable. >> Just because he played old HW standards for a length of time similar to that >> which HW played them years ago doesn't mean squat to me. The bottom line >> is, Nikwind couldn't pull them off IMHO....they were just rather dull and >> boring as opposed to brilliant and lively (with Brock, Lem, etc. the >> reason...see SR for details). > > And, again, it comes down to a matter of taste in the end. You didn't > like Nikwind playing SR-era standards because they didn't sound like the > SR-era band. No, I didn't like (some of) them because they were too long and boring. I don't think HW today could play them like SR now either, and you know what?? They don't....which is great, because a couple of the early songs I never liked, eg. Shouldn't do that, and Time we Left are fantastically improved by the 90's lineup IMHO...and not *just* because of shortening...they just got a lot more "dynamic" on Palace Springs and the most recent tour. Maybe the real reason was the poor quality of the original masters actually... :) (I haven't heard the remastered discs yet) :( So, I'm not looking for something to be recreated *only* in it's original form. To the contrary, I think pieces like 'Mask of Morning' are brilliant, a brand new song, I'd say. More power to anyone remaking something in a new classic form. > It's ridiculous to say "Nik doesn't sound like Hawkwind," because then > you have to define what Hawkwind are "meant" to sound like. And if you > can do that, you're a better man than I... ;-) Hey, I'm not Keith Relf.... :) ^^^^ > Well, IMHO, it is a non-thread. Some people seem to get riled up when > they see any mention of Nik Turner using the name Hawkwind (especially > when he goes under the monniker "Nik Turner's Hawkwind"). IMHO, he has > as much right to it as any, especially when he has so many ex-members > playing with him. I don't know why people get so het up about it. All I > was trying to say in my post was not that I am pro-Nik, but that > "Hawkwind is in the eye of the beholder." :-) More of my apparent slagging of Nik (which isn't how my posts really should be construed, I don't think) is about the name...and not really his use of it for publicity -- because I can't judge him on that, as I don't truly know who's responsible. But I can't even begin to think of his band having an equal right to the name - but you're right, that's just the way I see it. So, having a Nik Turner outfit out there recording, touring, etc. -- Hey, that's great. In fact, I've got everything he's done in recent years (4 or 5 discs)...I just picked up PoF today, so I could compare. After only a single listen (Silver Machine is still playing in fact), I'd say it's pretty decent....and I'm sorry that I was out of the country when this tour happened last year...esp. since I missed seeing Simon as well. But anything other than 'Do Not Panic: This bands contains ex-Hawkwind members' on the cover seems highly inappropriate. I hope that's enough of this ridiculous debate....I see others have decided it's no longer worth it.....we're into some serious semantics here, and I've got a thesis to write. Keith H. From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Apr 12 01:56:11 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:56:11 -0400 Subject: NIK: Japan? In-Reply-To: <9604120043.AA1114@worldcom-45.worldcom.com> from "Chris Baxley" at Apr 11, 96 08:48:44 pm Message-ID: Chris said... > The other version, which actually includes original members, as well as > twisted/psyche pioneer Helios Creed (though not recently), is led by a > colorful freak who has at least tried to maintain what is, for me, the band's > defining attributes: quasi-cosmic space conciousness, anarchy, and a surreal > sense of humor. > I still think "Watching the grass grow" is a better song than anything Brock > or his boys have come up with in the past 15 years! Is it then also a better song than anything Turner or his boys have come up with in the past 15 years, seeing as it was first recorded in 1980, 16 years ago??? Just wondering, not intending to slam you... :) > > These are just opinions - pls don't slam me... > Keith H. P.S. To be honest, I think it's a cool song........ From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Apr 12 02:15:25 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 02:15:25 -0400 Subject: HW: NiXtar - Nikwind In-Reply-To: <1681.6676T75T2318@vossnet.co.uk> from "UNREGISTERED VERSION" at Apr 12, 96 01:18:59 am Message-ID: Si replies... > > >Despite being a founding member, and a songwriter for a half-dozen or so > >classic HW tracks, I don't see Nik's musical contribution as being much more > >than an 'effect', ie., a single extra layer of sound over top of the basic > >rhythms below...in that context, his sax/flute plays no more role in the > >sound as Simon House's violin or Blake's/Harvey's synth lines or > >Moorcock's/Calvert > >'over the top' ranting (vocals other than standard verses, that is). (Could > >there then, also be a legitimate 'Housewind' or 'Blakewind' -I don't think s >IMHO this is hugely underestimating Nik's role in Hawkwind. I am not a big Nik > fan but I feel he should get credit for a bit more then a few songs and sound > effects. Saying his role was simular to House or Blake is very unfair. He had > a major input into the bands sound(IMHO). Yeah, I'd agree with this, I think, because as I clearly stated, I was only referring to his 'musical contribution'....and he certainly had significant 'behind the scenes' - type influence into the direction/evolution of the early sound. So, yeah, he warrants more 'consideration' than some others due to that fact, but my argument is solely about what it takes to represent Hawkwind music either on stage or record. And then, about the legalities of using the name, it gets into another territory as well. And whether you think it was fair for him to be booted out unceremoniously or not (I'll not get into this at all), the bottom line is...he hasn't been in the band (full-time) for 20 years now. And it isn't like HW/HL has ever really been put to sleep for any significant length of time during that stint, such that there could be any debate who they were...... Keith H. P.S. Now, I'm really done...I mean it this time.... :) From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Apr 12 09:22:49 1996 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob Stuckey) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:22:49 BST Subject: HW: Oh no, it's Nik versus Dave! Message-ID: If we write down all the songs that Dave has credit for in one column then all the songs that Nik has credit for in the other then delete all the crap songs (like Turner Point), then I think we can come to the conclusion that Dave Brock is a god and Mr Turner is merely a pretender to the Hawkwind throne. ;-) bye - Rob From nakayama at SDL.HITACHI.CO.JP Fri Apr 12 18:24:06 1996 From: nakayama at SDL.HITACHI.CO.JP (nakayama at SDL.HITACHI.CO.JP) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:24:06 JST Subject: NIK: Japan? Message-ID: Hi. I'm alive... > It would be most interesting to see a review when and if one comes out. If I find such stuff, I'm going to tell y'all here about how Nik's Hawkwind impressed Japanese Hawkfans. Actually, Amon Duul II, which toured Japan a little later, caused by far more surprise and praise, resulting in being covered ahead by several magazines, though. > PS: I think Mike Holmes is still looking for the Japanese vinyl of > Doremi with the extra Silver Machine track. If you ever manage to > hear of this or know of a record shop that would do a search I think > he'd be glad to hear of it! Although I don't know how good Mike's memory is, ha-ha, I remember the promise I made about the Japanese version of Doremi vinyl. It's true there's always some quantity of many used Hawkwind albums in market, but most of them happen to be import ones as far as I know. Anyway, I've been paying attention, lest he request my copy... ----yoshi From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Apr 12 05:37:54 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 05:37:54 -0400 Subject: BOC: Decouvertes a Paris Message-ID: Deb asked: >Is anyone familiar with the magazine put out by the French Cult fan club, >Blue Pearl? There's a great new issue. >DF No, but I'd be keen to see it! Do you have an address or anything? - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Apr 12 05:37:54 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 05:37:54 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: ng the grass grow" is a better song than anything Brock >or his boys have come up with in the past 15 years! Yeah, but Trev Thoms wrote that! Hawkwind really stopped sounding like Hawkwind when Simon King was fired and Brock became a part-time guitarist, imo that is, anyway... - Andy From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Apr 12 06:54:57 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 06:54:57 -0400 Subject: HW: SR remastered Message-ID: Hello Hawkfreinds, I was sitting here watching the grass grow, and decided it's time to move to greener pastures. I have a question to pose to all SR era fans of HW. Many believe this was the defining sound of the band, and consider this to be the ultimate live album. If someone were to have asked me how to make these songs better (not the recording technology, the songs themselves) before the remasters came out, I would have said "There is nothing you could add to the band or music to improve it." But after listening to the remasters, something occurs to me. With all that full synth, hard driving bass, screaming "wah-wah" guitar, I find the drums lacking the full sound of the rest of the band. It is too simple of a sound for the rest of the busy music going on around it. I believe SR could have been better if HW would have used 2 drummers playing at the same time, much like the Allman Bros. do. SO this I ask, agree, or disagree? What if anything would you do to improve SR era HW if you could go back in time and make a change.(Besides firing Doug permanently) Have a good one, Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Apr 12 07:06:13 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:06:13 -0400 Subject: HW: SR question Message-ID: Hello again, Question regarding a reference in the lyrics to 7 by 7. One verse says" While Pocus laughed and called foul jeers." Who is Pocus? Is this a scifi story reference? Also, I seem to recall credit for this song going to Brock/Macmanus but in looking back over the vinyl credits and the remasters credits, this name does not appear. Was this name ever mentioned, or did I imagine it while in a alternative state of mind? Duane (who is now slightly confused, more so than usual) -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Apr 12 07:36:56 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:36:56 -0400 Subject: HW: SR question In-Reply-To: <199604121106.AA08377@freenet> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Duane Hoyt wrote: > Question regarding a reference in the lyrics to 7 by 7. [...] > Also, I seem to recall credit for this song going to Brock/Macmanus > but in looking back over the vinyl credits and the remasters credits, this > name does not appear. Was this name ever mentioned, or did I imagine it > while in a alternative state of mind? Macmanus is a Brock pseudonym, used to obtain money from an otherwise unforthcoming Doug Smith et al. It is explained in the Hawkwind bio _Do Not Panic_. (Was it the name of Brock's girlfriend?) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Jeff Healey Band, _Cover to Cover_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Apr 12 07:54:57 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:54:57 -0400 Subject: HW: NiXtar - Nikwind In-Reply-To: <199604120552.BAA06298@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Keith A Henderson wrote: > No, that's not what I said....to repeat, "both elements are important to the > overall HW sound, it's just that I only see the latter as being something > that you can build a band on, and call it Hawkwind" > > and that last part is very important....AND CALL IT HAWKWIND. Nik forming a > band of musicians to act as his rhythm section for himself and the other > ex-Hawks is fine, it's just that I don't see that it can be nearly as legit > from either a musical or legal perspective as the real thing. And music is > often taught to people in terms of a 'pyramid', fat on the bottom (laying the > foundation, so to speak), and then adding the texture above. I think Hawkwind > may be the epitome of this, so I guess it's exaggerated in this case. I think this is a matter of opinion. Quark-era Calvertwind is a perfect counterexample to your claim; a version of Hawkwind built upon an essentially faceless rhythm section that could be called Hawkwind (for some, the "real" Hawkwind). In that version it is the "top" that defined the band. Will the real Hawkwind please stand up. > No, I didn't like (some of) them because they were too long and boring. I > don't think HW today could play them like SR now either, and you know what?? > They don't....which is great, because a couple of the early songs I never > liked, eg. Shouldn't do that, and Time we Left are fantastically improved by > the 90's lineup IMHO...and not *just* because of shortening...they just got a > lot more "dynamic" on Palace Springs and the most recent tour. Maybe the real > reason was the poor quality of the original masters actually... :) (I haven't > heard the remastered discs yet) :( > > So, I'm not looking for something to be recreated *only* in it's original form. > To the contrary, I think pieces like 'Mask of Morning' are brilliant, a brand > new song, I'd say. More power to anyone remaking something in a new classic > form. This is the great thing about Hawkwind fandom, IMHO. Personally, I think the remakes you mention are hideous abominations---especially the pompous bubblegum version of "Time We Left" on _Palace Springs_. I guess Hawkwind really are all things to all people. :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Fats Domino, _The Fat Man_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Apr 12 08:21:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 08:21:00 EDT Subject: HW: They did what!?! Message-ID: >On the other hand, when I saw Hawkwind, they bloody well sounded like >Hawkwind. They played far too much ambient stuff for my taste (including >breaking up Hassan I Sabha by inserting some ambient piece right into >the middle of it), but it was still distinctly Hawkwind, and when they >powered up their instruments (Dave's guitar saw all too little action), >they damn near rocked the walls down. >Steve I take back everything I said, no self respecting Hawkwind would tamper with "Hassan I Sabha" by inserting some ambient piece right into the middle of it. Dave has strayed from the path and should be debrocked and maybe excomputicated. Dave, you've got to play guitar. The church of Hawkwind could be in crisis. Rudy From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Apr 12 09:11:37 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:11:37 -0400 Subject: HW: NiXtar - Nikwind In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Apr 12, 96 07:54:57 am Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > > This is the great thing about Hawkwind fandom, IMHO. Personally, I think > the remakes you mention are hideous abominations---especially the pompous > bubblegum version of "Time We Left" on _Palace Springs_. Yes! Argh, that one has driven me crazy ever since I bought the album. Although I think Hawkwind's periodic redefinition of its sound is in many ways one of the most attractive things about the band, sometimes they try just a little too hard. (The ambient synth-washed sound was wonderful for "The Golden Void", but not for "Time We Left"). > I guess > Hawkwind really are all things to all people. :-) You know, I was thinking about *why* it is that Brockwind still sounds like Hawkwind to me, even when their current incarnation doesn't really play in a style that I like all that much. (Mostly ambient, not often enough instersperced with tight, hard-driven rockers). And I think it boils doen to this: Dave's guitar. Seriously. I think the one thing that has remained relatively constant across all the incarnations of Hawkwind, is that rock-solid rythm guitar upon which the rest of the music is built. When I saw them in 91(?) as a 3 piece, it went against everything that I had expected to hear from Hawkwind - no layers of synths/violin/sax/flute/lead guitar/etc. But you go to hear the music underneath, and I realised then that most Hawkwind songs, however much complex adornment they are given, are at their roots basic guitar driven rock-n-roll songs. And Dave's (not even Huw's - his falls into the "adornment" category) is the guitar that drives them. Steve From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Apr 12 09:20:45 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:20:45 -0400 Subject: HW: The EBS Samples Message-ID: Did anyone post about this while I was on holiday? (I admit I skimmed my mail a bit.) Anyway, just in case, not much on here that'll be new to any of us lot, but hey, it's only 3.99, and the booklet is a nice little catalogue of EBS releases, with cover art and track lists (including the live and remix albums). - Andy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 12 09:21:47 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:21:47 -0400 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock CD Message-ID: Theo writes: >Ignorance is bliss, but don't figure on it providing any immunity from grief, tragedy, etc. It's been tough coming to the realization that my heroes have behaved like assholes, but it hasn't really altered my opinion of them as musicians. Well, sometimes we have to learn the hard way that people we look up to for a certain ability, whether it's playing a guitar, dunking a basketball, or make us laugh 'til our sides ache ... are NOT necessarily people we should somehow expect to somehow be great PEOPLE. Appreciate the people for what they do, but don't expect that who they are is someone you should try to be. You think someone like Buck Dharma wants people to emulate his lifestyle, habits, personal beliefs, etc. just 'cuz they like the way he can play a guitar? He's famous for being a great guitarist, not a model citizen or a great humanitarian. BTW, I'm not trying to imply that ANYONE in BOC is an asshole - maybe they are, and maybe they aren't, I'm just using Buck as an example. And I agree with Theo that I my opinions of them as musicians, and my ability to appreciate their music is seperate from my opinions of them as people. How many of us try and "get to know" an artist on some personal level before we are willing to listen to and buy their music? Hey, if I like the music, I'm gonna listen to it, and I sure as hell don't have time or the resources to find out if the artist in question has similar beliefs, morals, personal habits, etc. as myself. >The way I see it, they're paying a Coleridgian price for their treatment of Al, both in their careers, and in the esteem of their fans... Well, I think that is a bit too simple of an answer, and we should also realize that we may be somewhat biased on our end. First of all, I definitely believe that Al is a big part of BOC's success, and that the music suffered greatly after he left. But, it may be a stretch to assume that BOC never would've went anywhere had Al never been in the band -- it might have been much different, and possibly less successful, but non-existent? I don't know about that. However, I also believe that BOC's problems go way beyond what happened between individuals. This band has been without Al (2 weeks in '85, and the Imaginos saga not withstanding) as a contributor for almost 15 years. Has the band made no other mistakes since then other than the handling of Imaginos? Can you say Club Ninja? Can you say Cult Classic? Can you say Workshop of the Telescopes? (which, btw I think the band should have overseen more and demanded a more quality product, especially in terms of the packaging) Can you say "we've got a new album coming out 'soon'"? Can you say "we don't want to release our material independently"? This band is certainly paying, but losing Al (and Joe) Bouchard is only part of the reason that this band is where they are at today (a big part, I do believe, but certainly there have been many more mistakes which followed). As far as us being biased, well, we have to keep in mind that we get alot of our insight on some of this stuff from Al and Deb. And, as Albert told me himself when I would ask for his input on some of this stuff for the FAQ, it is only part of the story, or only the story from his point of view. I have no reason to doubt anything that Al and Deb have told us, and in fact one of the reasons I have great respect for them is because of this statement Al made to me -- he realizes that there are 2 sides to a story, and he can not speak for other members of BOC. We have to all understand that what happened between the members in question is not necessarily simple, and that all of the details may not be pleasant, and that (most importantly) they are none of our business. And, meanwhile, the Brain Surgeons continue to crank out some unbelievable new material . . . so since we've all got some time to kill before the next BOC release (and even if we didn't), how 'bout spinning up that copy of *Eponymous* or *Trepanation* (and hey, while you're at it, buy another copy for a friend!). John From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Apr 12 09:29:29 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:29:29 -0400 Subject: HW: Question about XC Message-ID: Keith asked >>So what does E.M.C. stand for? I had a look in a dictionary of abbreviations... the most likely candidates seemed to be "Electromagnetic Control" and "Environmental Monitoring and Compliance". But it could be anything, I mean, does Eric Cantona have a middle name? :) - Andy From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Fri Apr 12 09:46:38 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:46:38 -0400 Subject: HW: Question about XC Message-ID: > > Keith asked > > >>So what does E.M.C. stand for? > > I had a look in a dictionary of abbreviations... the most likely candidates > seemed to be "Electromagnetic Control" and "Environmental Monitoring and > Compliance". > > But it could be anything, I mean, does Eric Cantona have a middle name? :) > > - Andy > Eric 'Meathead' Cantona , by jove I think you've got it ! Cheers, Steve L. From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Apr 12 09:54:55 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 08:54:55 EST Subject: HW: Question about XC Message-ID: "EMC" is a common abbreviation in the US for "Emergency Medical Center". You frequently see EMC on the front of ambulances, rescue vehicles, etc. I don't remember the context of EMC in the _song_ at the moment, so I don't know whether this definition is appropriate or not. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Apr 12 10:03:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:03:00 EDT Subject: HW: That HW Sound Message-ID: >You know, I was thinking about *why* it is that Brockwind still sounds >like Hawkwind to me, even when their current incarnation doesn't >really play in a style that I like all that much. (Mostly ambient, >not often enough instersperced with tight, hard-driven rockers). And >I think it boils doen to this: Dave's guitar. >Steve Steve, no doubt that Dave's guitar is a very big part, along with his distinctive vocals. I was listening to the Cleveland New Year's HW Cover Concert (thanks, Scott!) and these guys were trying to imitate HW as best they could and did HW covers. For the most part they did well, but the synths and other space noises were "wrong." That was the real shocker, that the HW space sound is hard to get right. For me there is something about the way HW gets their ambience and atmosphere that is distinctive. Even if you don't like the ambient stuff, it is different enough that you can recognize the source as HW. So I'm going to add that Dave has some concept of the atmospherics that is just as distinctive. Rudy Rudy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Apr 12 10:38:01 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:38:01 -0400 Subject: HW: Oh no, it's Nik versus Dave! Message-ID: In a message dated 11/04/96 21:17:14, you write: >To me, _Space Ritual '94_ Nikwind sounds a bit like the 80s heavy metal >Hawkwind. It doesn't sound much like Pressurehed. I'm waiting to hear >_Past or Future_ (when my local eventually manages to order it for me!). I really didn't think much of _SR94_, so I bought _PoF_ (today) mostly for the cover... But you know, it's not half bad! I think one thing that makes it better is that Nik & Co have grown in confidence, and aren't just trying to sound like Hawkwind any more, but are discovering their own sound. Also that Turner's voice doesn't give out half-way through! Be interesting to compare it with _Love in Space_ - the track on the EBS sampler ("Xenomorph") is just as I anticipated, ie it's really great except when Ron opens his trap. Oh well. - Andy From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Apr 12 10:48:49 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:48:49 EST Subject: HW: Brock and Davey are it (was: That HW Sound) Message-ID: Folks, I worship Dave Brock's ability to keep finding distinctive repetitive rhythm-variations banged out on a guitar which are not boring or even obviously derivative. I don't recall where I heard it, but he has been called "the heaviest rhythm guitar player on the planet" (in space too?). This man has been single-handedly responsible for the entire sound of the band Hawkwind [tm] ever since Bob Calvert left. I would argue that before the Hawklords, the band HW had numerous major contributors in the band, each changing the total sound with a type of synergy. However, the Calvert-era HW (Hawklords, Sonic Assassins, etc) striped away the whole synergy-thing, and replaced it with a more traditional punk pop band -- with a helluva Space poet as the front man. Calvert clearly defined the "feel" of this band every bit as much as Brock did. Most songs from this period are a vocal extravaganza (Calvert), with a superb backing score (Brock). IMO, after Calvert left Dave Brock became the final arbiter of all things Hawkwind. He brought in some hot players that he already knew from previous festivals/etc (Huw, Harvey, Alan, ...) and fleshed out a newer, more relevent to the times "speed metal" version of the band. However, no matter how many quite-decent fantasy pop speed metal tunes that Huw wrote (and there were quite a few), the band sound was still Brock's sound. His fast, heavy guitar could almost replace the percussion instrument at times. Whew! Now that I got that over with :-), my real subject is Alan Davey. This guy has been in the band since 1983, which is about as long as Nik was in HW (total), and about 3x as long as Lemmy was. Alan was heavily influenced as a bass player by Lemmy-in-Hawkwind, and still today is the most-Lemmy-like bass player that I know of. And we all know how much Lemmy contributed to the sound of the early Hawkwind. Listen to Alan's playing on 'Electric Teepee' and see who it reminds you of? LEMMY! Alan's bass playing has definitely evolved into a more significant influence on the HW sound than either Harvey or Dave Anderson or Adrian Shaw or any other former HW-bass except Lemmy himslf. And with Brock's simi-withdrawal from full-on rhythm guitar in favor of synths in recent years, Alan's contribution to the "rock" part of the HW sound has increased even further. Alan is the man. Brock is the god. Richard is the friendly one. :-) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 12 10:54:11 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:54:11 +0100 Subject: your mail In-Reply-To: <199604120937.FAA22553@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Apr 12, 96 05:37:54 am Message-ID: > Hawkwind really stopped sounding like Hawkwind when Simon King was fired and > Brock became a part-time guitarist, imo that is, anyway... As a confirmed "Primal Thunderist" Hawkfan, the last HWHWHWHWHW HW album was _HotMG_. "What about _Warrior_!!!?" I hear you cry ... Well, Warrior was pretty cool, though I have to get into serious schlock-SF mode to groove on the Moorcock poetry. And after that Lemmy was a grievious loss, though I still enjoy a lot of the Calvert material, some of the early 80s material (I don't care how bad people hate Ron Tree, HW is still doing better now than the early 80s), and the 80s speed metal Hawkwind (I inlude Levitation and Live '79 in this, but not most of the the stuff up to Chronicle was more mixed.) _Space Bandits_ was mostly crap, but Palace Springs and California Brainstorm---ah! this is more like what I expect. Not Primal Thunder, but does contain bits of the old blanga. The songs on _ET_ and _A4_ sound like HW. _IITBOTF_ sounds less like Hawkwind than _anything_ else in the catalog, IMHO. Cheers, Carl From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Apr 12 10:59:16 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:59:16 EST Subject: HW: for sale: Afrodiziac, PorcTree Message-ID: Just made the rounds of my local stores, and I found a copy of Alman Mulo Band "Afrodiziac" CD going for $14. If interested, Email me and I'll be glad to pick it up for you. I just received my Alman Mulo Band "Orisha" (courtesy of Delerium Records, UK) and was surprised to find that I liked it better than any other AMB or HB-solo release! Seems to me that "Orisha" holds together more as electronic songs, instead of plain-old synth washes and third-world rhythms. Definite thumbs up. Porcupine Tree: a stroke of luck! I found two copies of "The Sky Moves Sideways" (US-version) going for $10 each. They are both brand new, even though they have been opened -- this store opens every CD and stores the platter separate from the case. I also found yet another copy of "Stars Die" CD-EP for $6. I have both of these titles already, so if anybody needs to pick up either one at an excellent price, give me a buzz. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 12 11:05:42 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:05:42 +0100 Subject: HW: They did what!?! In-Reply-To: <316DBF19@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Apr 12, 96 08:21:00 am Message-ID: > I take back everything I said, no self respecting Hawkwind would tamper with > "Hassan I Sabha" by inserting some ambient piece right into the middle of > it. Dave has strayed from the path and should be debrocked and maybe > excomputicated. Dave, you've got to play guitar. The church of Hawkwind > could be in crisis. The Church of Hawkwind _is_ in crisis. The only things it has seriously over BOC is a band which still releases albums (!) of new material and a recently remastered and surprisingly good sounding set of early releases. I was grieviously distressed by _IITBOTFTBD_, and my fears have been somewhat allayed by _Alien 4_ on which *actual* rock music was seen to appear. I'm still not completely satisfied. Until Hawkwind puts out an album that can compete musically with _HotMG_ I won't be. And this is pretty unlikely looking ;) However, I think if one culled all the best of the new HW tracks of the decade so far you _would_ have an album that could stand up with the best of them. Dave & Co. *can* still do it, but they do it without much consistancy. First and foremost, Dave needs to crank that guitar up and chug ... I think he feels embarrassed cause he's not a fabulous technical guitar player, but frankly I wouldn't want anyone else in there but Dave chugging away or doing the solos. _That's_ what HW is _supposed_ to sound like! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Apr 12 11:06:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:06:00 EDT Subject: HW: Question about EMC Message-ID: Keith asked >>So what does E.M.C. stand for? In the electronics world the primary use is for ElectroMagnetic Compatibility. The other side of E.M.I. (Interference). Rudy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 12 11:18:01 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:18:01 +0100 Subject: HW: The EBS Samples In-Reply-To: <960412092043_270160169@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Apr 12, 96 09:20:45 am Message-ID: > Anyway, just in case, not much on here that'll be new to any of us lot, but > hey, it's only 3.99, and the booklet is a nice little catalogue of EBS > releases, with cover art and track lists (including the live and remix > albums). Ah! Its out and for cheap! Where was it filed in the CD shop? Under "Hawkwind" or "Various" or what? Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 12 11:25:29 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:25:29 +0100 Subject: HW: NiXtar - Nikwind In-Reply-To: <199604121311.JAA01754@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Apr 12, 96 09:11:37 am Message-ID: > > This is the great thing about Hawkwind fandom, IMHO. Personally, I think > > the remakes you mention are hideous abominations---especially the pompous > > bubblegum version of "Time We Left" on _Palace Springs_. > > Yes! Argh, that one has driven me crazy ever since I bought the > album. Although I think Hawkwind's periodic redefinition of its sound > is in many ways one of the most attractive things about the band, > sometimes they try just a little too hard. (The ambient synth-washed > sound was wonderful for "The Golden Void", but not for "Time We > Left"). Aw ... I like the "Time We Left" on _Palace Springs_! It segues so nicely into "Heads" or whatever. My only complaint is they didn't keep the segue from "Treadmill". That would have been excellent. Mind you, I like the SR and Doremi "Time" better! But really I like _everything_ on Palace Springs (even "Back in the Box"! ack!) *except* "Acid Daze" which is mind-bogglingly dull and banal. > When I saw them in 91(?) as a 3 > piece, it went against everything that I had expected to hear from > Hawkwind - no layers of synths/violin/sax/flute/lead guitar/etc. But > you go to hear the music underneath, and I realised then that most > Hawkwind songs, however much complex adornment they are given, are at > their roots basic guitar driven rock-n-roll songs. Thus the vindication of Lemmy's statement that Hawkwind _are_ basically a 3-piece rock'n'roll band with a lot of toodle-lee toodle-la on top! ;) And I'd agree--take away the 3-piece rock'n'roll band and you've got nothing left but ambient noises. Which are fine, but in themselves are *not* Hawkwind. Which is why Dave needs to stop rocking around and (in the words of the immortal Beavis and Butthead, music critics _extrordinaire_) concentrate on rocking more! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 12 11:30:51 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:30:51 +0100 Subject: HW: SR remastered In-Reply-To: <199604121054.AA07945@freenet> from "Duane Hoyt" at Apr 12, 96 06:54:57 am Message-ID: > I believe SR could have been better if HW would have used 2 drummers playing > at the same time, much like the Allman Bros. do. > SO this I ask, agree, or disagree? That's a possibility. Didn't Hawkwind briefly have Terry Ollis _and_ Simon King together (though not on Space Ritual)? > What if anything would you do to improve SR era HW if you could go back > in time and make a change.(Besides firing Doug permanently) Well, hmmmmmm. Apart from dragging state of the art recording gear back there, boosting the drum sound or maybe adding an extra drummer, not much! I can't think of a way to improve on most of it! Cheers, Carl From bchina at CROWN.NET Fri Apr 12 13:41:41 1996 From: bchina at CROWN.NET (John Majka) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:41:41 -0700 Subject: HW EMC Message-ID: Regarding the Hawkwind title EMC from Xenon Codex... I always assumed that the letters referred to Energy, Mass, and the Speed of Light (as in Einstein's equation E=MC squared). This would also be in keeping with Hawkwind's sci-fi/sci-fact tendencies. John Majka bchina at crown.net From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Apr 12 11:56:40 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:56:40 -0400 Subject: HW: The EBS Samples Message-ID: In a message dated 12/04/96 15:28:41, you write: > Ah! Its out and for cheap! Where was it filed in the CD shop? >Under "Hawkwind" or "Various" or what? Under "Hawkwind" - in Virgin (Oxford Street this time :), anyway. Get it! The Alan Davey track (from _Captured Rotation_) is way cool! The _Love in Space_ track ("Xenomorph") rocks real hard (and I find I can deal with Tree better than on the studio version!). Even the Capt Rizz track ain't bad! Can't deal with "Coded Languages" at all, though, and I'm not yet sure about the techno track with samples from "Sonic Attack"... - Andy From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Apr 12 17:05:35 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:05:35 BST Subject: HW: They did what!?! In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:05:42 +0100 Message-ID: > The Church of Hawkwind _is_ in crisis. Mainly from fans who are stuck in the 1970's :-) Dave. From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Apr 12 12:06:01 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:06:01 +0100 Subject: HW EMC In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:41:41 PDT." Message-ID: > Regarding the Hawkwind title EMC from Xenon Codex... > > I always assumed that the letters referred to Energy, Mass, and the Speed of Light (as > in Einstein's equation E=MC squared). This would also be in keeping with Hawkwind's > sci-fi/sci-fact tendencies. Hmm, Hawkwind covering Landscape's "Einstein a go go" - Awesome idea ! :-) cheers, Tim ObCD: Thin White Rope "In the Spanish Cave" From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Apr 12 17:09:21 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:09:21 BST Subject: HW: Hall of the Mountain Grill In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:54:11 +0100 Message-ID: > As a confirmed "Primal Thunderist" Hawkfan, the last HWHWHWHWHW > HW album was _HotMG_. You realise that if they release HotMG today, people would complain about the wishy-washy ambience of "Wind Of Change", the silly/experimental pieces on side 2 that are totally out of place, and the track that's just an ego-trip by the bass-player which sounds nothing like the others. :-) Dave. From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Apr 12 12:11:35 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:11:35 -0400 Subject: HW: Brock and Davey are it In-Reply-To: <9604120948.A15103@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Apr 12, 96 09:48:49 am Message-ID: Most of Chuck's comments deleted because I agree with almost all of them.... except.... > I don't recall where I heard it, but he (Brock) has been called "the > heaviest rhythm guitar player on the planet" (in space too?). I believe that this award should go to Roger Taylor of Queen actually, which is ironic since he's actually known as a drummer....and maybe that's the reason - because he plays the guitar with a drummer's m.o. And like Brock, his work in recent years is quite sporadic in nature and quality, but I still go out of my way to pick up all new releases because I know that here and there you will still find brilliance in either's work....HW moreso, I think. Anyone who's heard the final 5 seconds or so of The Cross' (Roger's Taylor's other band) 'Rough Justice' knows what real heavy rhythm guitar sounds like. This has got to be the heaviest clip of music in all of rock history I believe. Keith H. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Apr 12 17:13:47 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:13:47 BST Subject: HW: Nik in Japan Message-ID: > Hawkwind really stopped sounding like Hawkwind when Simon King was fired and > Brock became a part-time guitarist, imo that is, anyway... That's nothing! *I* think HW really stopped sounding like HW when Lemmy joined, and turned them from a hippy band into just another metal band. Honest. Dave. From tori at PANIX.COM Fri Apr 12 13:04:18 1996 From: tori at PANIX.COM (Lurking Girl) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:04:18 -0400 Subject: HW: Oh no, it's Nik versus Dave! In-Reply-To: <199604120222.WAA19888@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: Someone who's in a lot of trouble wrote: > Martyn White writes: > > > > Lest we forget, Steve, you turned down my invitation to > > come and see them in Chapel Hill and you was only as far away as > > Raleigh... something about a girlfriend I seem to remember (when > > will you get your priorities right? ;-) !!!! *froth* > Shhhhh. She's listening. If she finds out I didn't take her to see > Nikwind, she'll pour boiling water over my head. Don't you even think of coming home tonight, mister. Unless you've got a suitable peace offering in your grubby little mitts...like, say, the HW remasters. All of 'em. > > Ah well at least you came to Greenville to see that other > > band .. what are they called ... something to do with seafood I think > > Some golden oldie band. Say, isn't it like the 10th anniversary of > their last album? Should we have a party? I think a wake would be more appropriate, no? ObTopicality: *I* thought Nikwind sounded more like HW than Brock et al (with the exception of Hassan i Sabha). Certainly they did the first time they came to the Slimelight...when I knew too few of the songs to properly appreciate what I was hearing. :( Lots more from HotMG though. :) Victoria C. Fike * tori at panix.com * http://www.panix.com/~tori Lurking Girl of the LNH * Imperatrix Ludorum * vf at panix.com, too "Commit a little mortal sin, it's good for the soul." -J. Buffett ObCivilDisobedience: Fuck the CDA and the shitheads that passed it! From tori at PANIX.COM Fri Apr 12 13:12:04 1996 From: tori at PANIX.COM (Lurking Girl) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:12:04 -0400 Subject: HW: NiXtar - Nikwind In-Reply-To: <199604121311.JAA01754@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: Steve wrote: > You know, I was thinking about *why* it is that Brockwind still sounds > like Hawkwind to me, even when their current incarnation doesn't > really play in a style that I like all that much. (Mostly ambient, > not often enough instersperced with tight, hard-driven rockers). And > I think it boils doen to this: Dave's guitar. Seriously. I gently point out that, when we went to see HW this past summer, Dave did not TOUCH his guitar. (Maybe for one song?) And this is why I think Nikwind sounded much more HWesque. QED. I've never quite reconciled why it is that my favorite (fine, tied for first with Live Chronicles; put the 2x4 down, Steve!) HW album is HotMG, but I really don't care for this new ambient schtuff. Yes, of course there's much more rock going on, but it's much closer in sound to the new stuff than it is to, say, Live Chronicles. Must be 'cause of Simon House :) Victoria C. Fike * tori at panix.com * http://www.panix.com/~tori Lurking Girl of the LNH * Imperatrix Ludorum * vf at panix.com, too "Commit a little mortal sin, it's good for the soul." -J. Buffett ObCivilDisobedience: Fuck the CDA and the shitheads that passed it! From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Apr 12 13:25:27 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:25:27 -0400 Subject: OFF: Upcoming Amon Duul II gig In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Apr 12, 96 04:25:29 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks: I was just wondering if there's any info about next Friday's gig at the Astoria in London....like, is it still on?? And if so, is there a coherent tour in the works?? I see they just played some gigs in Japan?? I hope this means they'll be coming our way (No. America, that is) soon!! HW, ADII, and Gong sort of make a space trio for me....near-equal ambassadors of spacey goodwill from the UK, Germany, and France (although Gong is a sort of U.N. within itself), respectively. And to see all three within an 18-month period would be a sort of a GUT (Grand Unifying Theory) to me..... :) So, please, let's hear some more about this upcoming gig!! I think it's appropriate enough for this list..... And is anyone planning on recording the show...if so, I'd like to reserve a copy now... :) Keith H. (FAA) From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Apr 12 13:48:45 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:48:45 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: re. Blue Pearl, the French Cult fanzine-- < I'd be keen to see it! Do you have an address or anything?> It is: Jean-Luc Carrier 134 Rue de Periole Toulouse FRANCE 31500 And if your French is better n' mine, you can explain the finer points to me! DF From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 12 14:28:01 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:28:01 +0100 Subject: HW: They did what!?! In-Reply-To: <13021.9604121605@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Apr 12, 96 05:05:35 pm Message-ID: > > The Church of Hawkwind _is_ in crisis. > > Mainly from fans who are stuck in the 1970's :-) Pffft! If I was stuck in the 70s, I'd be to young to reach the keyboard! ;) When Hawkwind was recording "Silver Machine" I was still waiting for my neck to get strong enough to hold my head up ;) But seriously, I have no problem with floaty ambient stuff. I mean, I quite like some of it, though I've mostly heard stuff from Ozricky and Hawkwindy friends, relations, and off-shoots. Techno, mind you, leaves me cold for the most part--I heard the new Gong thing the other night (good show, BTW), "Mercury" or whatever, and the heavy sequenced techno beat on it simply made the whole piece mind-boggleingly dull. Hey, I like dynamics, all right? ;) But I simply don't think floaty ambient stuff is what HW is best at. I quite like the combo of spacey synths and blangoid space-rock that Hawkwind is _capable_ of producing these days. Some of the recent tracks are among my favorites--I dragged _ET_ all the way across the Atlantic primarily so I could hear "Mask of Morning" :) But I demand chugging guitars and mind-pummeling bass. I demand squalling Brock wah solos. I demand a band made primarily of live people and not sequencers. From Hawkwind anyway. If that's stuck in the 70s, well then I don't plan on hitching a lift out! ;) Put me back in my crib! ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 12 13:27:20 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:27:20 +0100 Subject: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , "Carl E. Anderson" writes > As a confirmed "Primal Thunderist" Hawkfan, the last HWHWHWHWHW >HW album was _HotMG_. THAT would explain why EMI deceided not to remaster Warrior! :) -- Jon Browne From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Apr 12 14:52:12 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 14:52:12 -0400 Subject: HW: Brock and Davey are it In-Reply-To: <199604121611.MAA29928@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith A Henderson" at Apr 12, 96 12:11:35 pm Message-ID: Keith A Henderson writes: > > > Anyone who's heard the final 5 seconds or so of The Cross' (Roger's Taylor's > other band) 'Rough Justice' knows what real heavy rhythm guitar sounds like. > This has got to be the heaviest clip of music in all of rock history I believe. Ever heard "Joan of Arc", by the Melvins? :-) These are guys who clearly grew up on Black Sabbath, and thought that "Iron Man" was a little too light and airy. Steve From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 12 14:59:55 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:59:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock and Davey are it (was: That HW Sound) In-Reply-To: <9604120948.A15103@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Apr 12, 96 09:48:49 am Message-ID: > Alan's bass playing has definitely evolved into a more significant > influence on the HW sound than either Harvey or Dave Anderson or > Adrian Shaw or any other former HW-bass except Lemmy himslf. And > with Brock's simi-withdrawal from full-on rhythm guitar in favor > of synths in recent years, Alan's contribution to the "rock" part > of the HW sound has increased even further. Well, let's also recall that what is the most Hawkwind-like song on _Alien 4_ (despite the silly vocals from Ron)? "Sputnik Stan". Composed by? Alan Davey. Yes he's definately the man for HW on bass without Lemmy there. Anyone who can suss out the essence of Hawkwind sufficiently to turn out a great track like _Sputnik_ deserves major kudos. Now I await an eventual Brock/Davey rock-out extraveganza! (Yeah, right! But here's hoping ...) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Fri Apr 12 15:17:41 1996 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:17:41 -0400 Subject: BOC April 14 gig Message-ID: By sheer accident I stumbled into my local (East Lansing MI) Ticketmaster outlet and spotted on their upcoming shows board: Blue Oyster Cult April 14 Howling Moon Saloon. Of course, the sales dweeb had no idea where the heck the Howling Moon Saloon is. The best she could suggest is that I call Ticketmaster. "We're just an outlet," she explained. Well, all afternoon either the line has been busy or I get an automated message saying "All circuits are busy. Please try your call later." So, does anyone know where the Howling Moon Saloon is? John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 12 15:19:24 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:19:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Nik in Japan In-Reply-To: <13069.9604121613@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Apr 12, 96 05:13:47 pm Message-ID: > > > Hawkwind really stopped sounding like Hawkwind when Simon King was fired and > > Brock became a part-time guitarist, imo that is, anyway... > > That's nothing! *I* think HW really stopped sounding like HW when Lemmy > joined, and turned them from a hippy band into just another metal band. > Honest. > > Dave. > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 12 15:21:16 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:21:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Nik in Japan In-Reply-To: <13069.9604121613@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Apr 12, 96 05:13:47 pm Message-ID: > That's nothing! *I* think HW really stopped sounding like HW when Lemmy > joined, and turned them from a hippy band into just another metal band. > Honest. Ah, well that makes you stuck in 1969 or 70 ;) I'm practically futurist by liking the Lemmy-era in comparison! ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Apr 12 15:24:39 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:24:39 -0400 Subject: HW: NiXtar - Nikwind In-Reply-To: from "Lurking Girl" at Apr 12, 96 01:12:04 pm Message-ID: Lurking Girl writes: > > Steve wrote: > > > You know, I was thinking about *why* it is that Brockwind still sounds > > like Hawkwind to me, even when their current incarnation doesn't > > really play in a style that I like all that much. (Mostly ambient, > > not often enough instersperced with tight, hard-driven rockers). And > > I think it boils doen to this: Dave's guitar. Seriously. > > I gently point out that, when we went to see HW this past summer, Dave > did not TOUCH his guitar. (Maybe for one song?) And this is why I > think Nikwind sounded much more HWesque. QED. Well, I can think of two right off: Hassan I Sabha, and Master of the Universe. And I'm sure he picked it up a few more times, as well. But I agree, it was still not nearly enough. And I've said it already, but I liked Nik's selection of material better than Dave's, too. But when the guitars *do* come out, Dave is still the beating heart of the band, and nobody can match his sound. > I've never quite reconciled why it is that my favorite (fine, tied for > first with Live Chronicles; put the 2x4 down, Steve!) HW album is HotMG, > but I really don't care for this new ambient schtuff. Yes, of course > there's much more rock going on, but it's much closer in sound to the new > stuff than it is to, say, Live Chronicles. > > Must be 'cause of Simon House :) "Wind of Change" may be gentle on the ears, but it doesn't have the errr... sparcity of modern Hawkwind. I wouldn't even really call it ambient - it has much too focussed a melody. Not to mention that violins are just *cooler* than synths. ;-) Steve From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Apr 12 15:25:48 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:25:48 -0400 Subject: HW: Oh no, it's Nik versus Dave! Message-ID: Indignantly quoth she: > >Someone who's in a lot of trouble wrote: > >> Martyn White writes: >> > >> > Lest we forget, Steve, you turned down my invitation to >> > come and see them in Chapel Hill and you was only as far away as >> > Raleigh... something about a girlfriend I seem to remember (when >> > will you get your priorities right? ;-) > >!!!! *froth* Whoooopsee. I think I put my foot in my terminal :-) Have a good weekend people Martyn From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 12 15:35:50 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:35:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Hall of the Mountain Grill In-Reply-To: <13039.9604121609@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Apr 12, 96 05:09:21 pm Message-ID: > > As a confirmed "Primal Thunderist" Hawkfan, the last HWHWHWHWHW > > HW album was _HotMG_. > > You realise that if they release HotMG today, people would complain > about the wishy-washy ambience of "Wind Of Change", the silly/experimental > pieces on side 2 that are totally out of place, and the track that's just > an ego-trip by the bass-player which sounds nothing like the others. :-) Fiddle-dee-dee! OK, I agree that "Lost Johnny" is a bit out of place on that album (though I enjoy the song on its own). But I think the level of wishy-washy ambience and silly experimental pieces on _HotMG_ is just fine. They are the exception rather than the rule. I like Hawkwind's ambienty *side* but I don't think it's good to dominate with it. "Wind of Change" is very cool, and segues out of a great Hawkwind rocker (one of my favorite Hawkwind rockers). "HotMG" and "Goat Willow" are both very short--they serve to accent, to spice, yea! to season the album. And the very rock tracks have a certain ambient ambience to them, even as they chug along. My complaint with contemporary Hawkwind is that the ambience has seized to much control. I mean "Vega" from _A4_ is a really nice piece. I think it compares well with "Wind of Change". And the intro to "Alien (I Am)" I think works really well. "Alien (I Am)" is not bad for a slow rocker, but "Festivals" and "Xenomorph" fall into the sort of OK level. Only "Sputnik Stan" *really* shines, IMHO. Well, I quite like the "Death Trap/Wastelands/Are You Losing Your Mind?" bit actually, but Death Trap doesn't count since its too much like the original (good though it is--nice Brock wah flailing :) But I really expect a couple of more pieces of high caliber--even retreads which are sufficiently interesting like "Mask of Morning" (which rules, IMHO) or "Treadmill" would be fine. Drag out some of the old chestnuts from the "Weird Tapes" and retread 'em if they've got "riffer's block" or something :) No, I'd definately be very happy with the level of ambience and silly experimental pieces that _HotMG_ has. I'd even accept a bizzare outing from the bass player these days! ;) You wouldn't find me complaining about the ambio-acoustic pieces as seen on _Doremi_ either ... :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Fri Apr 12 10:27:05 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:27:05 EDT Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock CD Message-ID: More kind words of praise please, o king of the boot lickers. Suck up a little more why don't you? From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Apr 12 15:59:59 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:59:59 -0400 Subject: OFF: Upcoming Amon Duul II gig Message-ID: Keith Well, I checked today to see if it was still on, and it seemed to be "yes"... I'm definitely going (I got into a lot of hot water for calling off a long-standing date, but baby, that's the breaks). I'm not planning on recording it though, because, well, I just don't! But if I see a boot turn up at Camden market or whatever (stranger things have happened) I'll snag one for you! Next Friday (19th), London Astoria, 10 pounds from box office, for anyone who might be interested. - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Apr 12 16:00:09 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:00:09 -0400 Subject: No Subject Message-ID: Thanks, Deborah! My French ought to be up to it, and though I did pick up a lot of French on holiday last week, it's mostly of the sort I can't use in polite company! (Including the rude French version of "YMCA" that goes "moi, j'aime chier"... 8-) (Et, ouais, Alexandre, j'sais bien que toi, tu comprends!) - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Apr 12 16:07:09 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:07:09 -0400 Subject: HW: Hall of the Mountain Grill Message-ID: In a message dated 12/04/96 19:55:45, you write: >> >> You realise that if they release HotMG today, people would complain >> about the wishy-washy ambience of "Wind Of Change", the silly/experimental >> pieces on side 2 that are totally out of place, and the track that's just >> an ego-trip by the bass-player which sounds nothing like the others. :-) I actually have hazy memories of these very complaints when _Grill_ did come out! - Andy ObCD - In Search of Space remastered! "7 by 7" yeah!! From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 12 17:58:05 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 22:58:05 +0100 Subject: HW: Brock and Davey are it (was: That HW Sound) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , "Carl E. Anderson" writes >Alan Davey. > Yes he's definately the man for HW on bass without Lemmy there. >Anyone who can suss out the essence of Hawkwind sufficiently to turn >out a great track like _Sputnik_ deserves major kudos. > Or what about *_Sword Of The East_*, which is among my handful of best- ever favorites. -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 12 18:00:03 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 23:00:03 +0100 Subject: HW: Nik in Japan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >> That's nothing! *I* think HW really stopped sounding like HW when Lemmy >> joined, and turned them from a hippy band into just another metal band. >> Honest. Seriously?! You're saying it was pretty much downhill after the first album??! ;-) -- Jon Browne From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Apr 13 12:47:26 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 16:47:26 +0000 Subject: HW EMC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, John Majka wrote: > Regarding the Hawkwind title EMC from Xenon Codex... > > I always assumed that the letters referred to Energy, Mass, and the Speed of Light (as > in Einstein's equation E=MC squared). This would also be in keeping with Hawkwind's > sci-fi/sci-fact tendencies. It's either that, or something to do with Electromagnetic Radiation (Can't remember what the 'C' in E.M.C. stands for, but that's what it's abbreviated to) Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Apr 13 13:06:51 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 17:06:51 +0000 Subject: HW: Oh no, it's Nik versus Dave! In-Reply-To: <9604120822.AA02957@etlxd20c> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Rob Stuckey wrote: > If we write down all the songs that Dave has credit for in one > column then all the songs that Nik has credit for in the other > then delete all the crap songs (like Turner Point), then I think > we can come to the conclusion that Dave Brock is a god and > Mr Turner is merely a pretender to the Hawkwind throne. ;-) Umm, but how do we delete the ones which Dave gets credits for, but didn't write ...... Paul (silently inserting spanner) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Apr 12 16:24:40 1996 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:24:40 GMT Subject: HW: Nik in Japan In-Reply-To: <13069.9604121613@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> (from Dave Berry ) (at Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:13:47 BST) Message-ID: Dave Berry Wrote > > Hawkwind really stopped sounding like Hawkwind when Simon King was fired and > > Brock became a part-time guitarist, imo that is, anyway... > > That's nothing! *I* think HW really stopped sounding like HW when Lemmy > joined, and turned them from a hippy band into just another metal band. > Honest. > > Dave. > I am not worthy ! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Apr 13 13:04:31 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:04:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Hall of the Mountain Grill In-Reply-To: <960412160708_270426039@emout10.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Apr 12, 96 04:07:09 pm Message-ID: > >> You realise that if they release HotMG today, people would complain > >> about the wishy-washy ambience of "Wind Of Change", the silly/experimental > >> pieces on side 2 that are totally out of place, and the track that's just > >> an ego-trip by the bass-player which sounds nothing like the others. :-) > > I actually have hazy memories of these very complaints when _Grill_ did come > out! It's a point I'm really of two minds on. On one hand I appreciate the blending of cool ambienty spacey things and crunching rock as seen on _HotMG_. Intellectually, I'm really into it. However on the gut level the unspeakable raw power in _Space Ritual_ bowls me over. And basically there's lots of ambienty spacey things in contemp HW, but they could do with a dose of unspeakable raw power! > ObCD - In Search of Space remastered! "7 by 7" yeah!! Today it was nice and sunny so I opened my windows and played Space Ritual and Doremi all afternoon :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Apr 13 13:11:44 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:11:44 +0100 Subject: HW: NiXtar - Nikwind In-Reply-To: <199604121924.PAA10776@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Apr 12, 96 03:24:39 pm Message-ID: > > I gently point out that, when we went to see HW this past summer, Dave > > did not TOUCH his guitar. (Maybe for one song?) And this is why I > > think Nikwind sounded much more HWesque. QED. > > Well, I can think of two right off: Hassan I Sabha, and Master of the > Universe. And I'm sure he picked it up a few more times, as well. > But I agree, it was still not nearly enough. I was just listening to some of the _CA Brainstorm_ material today, and it was _amazing_ the amount of Dave's guitar that was in there compared to recent stuff. At that was only in '90 .... > And I've said it already, but I liked Nik's selection of material > better than Dave's, too. But when the guitars *do* come out, Dave > is still the beating heart of the band, and nobody can match his > sound. I concur, especially as the guitar tones from Pressurehed are pretty lame IMHO. Very dry and flat. The bass playing on the first tour was lame-o in comparison to Lemmy's space ritualising. Frankly, I would have done a better job :P It was a bit better on the second tour, but the bass player was still much too restrained. > Not to mention that violins are just *cooler* than synths. ;-) And violinists are cooler than sequencers. BTW, I was just listening to the "Yassassassassassassim" track (or whatever ;) from Simon House on the EBS sampler and it was really quite good. However, it would have been _phenomenal_ with the Brock/Davey/ Chadwick team thundering behind it. Tsk, tsk. Other opportunity lost. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Apr 13 13:57:07 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:57:07 +0100 Subject: HW: The EBS Samples In-Reply-To: <960412115640_270258311@emout09.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Apr 12, 96 11:56:40 am Message-ID: > Get it! The Alan Davey track (from _Captured Rotation_) is way cool! The > _Love in Space_ track ("Xenomorph") rocks real hard (and I find I can deal > with Tree better than on the studio version!). Even the Capt Rizz track > ain't bad! The Captain Rizz track, surprisingly, isn't bad--don't think I'll spring for the album though! ;) "Xenomorph" is OK and I think it gets the boost that most HW tracks get from being done live. "Frenzzy" from the _White Zone_ was pretty dull. "White Zone" from Brock's album, OTOH, is not bad (though it'd be infinitely better done by a real band with real instruments, of course!). "Morbius/Brain Machine" from Spacehead was interesting but didn't quite grab me. The singer does soud sort of like a Brock/Calvert morph though ;) Alan Davey's "Higher Than Before" was indeed way cool, though pretty mellow--hope a rocker or two will lurk on the album (the advert does describe him as "space metal bassist" after all!). > Can't deal with "Coded Languages" at all, though, and I'm not yet sure about > the techno track with samples from "Sonic Attack"... "Coded Languages" was silly but what can you expect from Harvey? ;) "Angels of Death" is OK but there are better versions. As I said "Yassasim" was great (though it too, should rock more!). The "Sonic Destruction (Adventure Remix)" was crap, IMHO. I saw very little evidence anything interesting or indicitive of talent in it, excepting Bob Calvert's voice and Michael Moorcock's words which are available in a much cooler format on _Space Ritual_ :) But hey, while Hawkwind may be flagging on the music, their album art is great! The Brock solo, the remix album, Love in Space all have really cool covers! THe Spacehead album has a cool cover as well, and the _Alien 4_ cover ain't bad. The Alan Davey cover is little more than a live photo, but even so looks cool. Even the _White Zone_ has a cool cover. They should be making this stuff into posters :) I could go for an exclusive Alan Davey "Captured Rotation" poster. Or a Dave Brock "Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams" poster. Or a "Love in Space" poster. That would be cool. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Apr 13 10:47:45 1996 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:47:45 GMT Subject: HW:More Assembled Trivia Message-ID: Sorry for the length of this post. These are a few additions to the assembled trivia that was posted about a week ago. --------- *Hawkwind* >Mirror of Illusion - "perception's doors" references Aldous Huxley's *The >Doors of Perception* [1954]. Which is itself stolen from William Blake - "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear as it is, infinite" --------- Silver Machine >>From Robert Calvert : The Action Man Explains - Cheescake No 5 "I read this essay by Alfred Jarry called How to Construct a Time Machine" and I noticed something ... what he was describing was his bicycle. Jarry got into this thing called Petaphysics which is a sort of French joke science. I thought it was a great idea for a song. At that time there were lots of songs about space travel and it was the time when NASA was actually doing it. I though it was about time to come up with a song that sent all this up which was Silver Machine. Silver Machine was just to say Ive got a silver bicycle and nobody got it. I didnt think they would I thought that they would think we were singing about some sort of cosmic space travel machine." Alfred Jarry (1873-1907) French writer who invented a logic of the absurd which he called pataphysique and his work is considered a precursor of the theatre of the absurd. See http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~ngzF92/jarrypub/commence.html A very intersting page on Jarry particularly for the description of him which bears a remarkable similarity to the photograph of Calvert with his bicycle from the Cellar Tapes CD. --------- *Space Ritual* >Orgone Accumulator - refers to the scientific theories of Dr Wilhelm Reich. b 1897 d 1957 > In his theory, "orgone" was a vital force, permeating the universe, which >could be collected in "orgone boxes", and used to cure certain diseases. > This theory failed to gain widespread acceptance. An orgone box is a sort of upright coffin made of alternate layers of metal and an insulator sitting inside is suposed to charge up a person and cure a few common ailments from the cold to cancer. Reich died in prison in the US prosecuted for promoting a fraudulent treatment. He was very clearly mentally ill near the end of his life and his persecution by the US Food and Drugs Authority which resulted in his imprisonment is a really shocking story. --------- *Hall of the Mountain Grill* Goat Willow The tree Salix Caprea, widespread in Europe, same tree as the pussy willow I think. A natural History of Europe on my shelf lists this plant as a source of foodstuff or medecines, but I cant find out what exactly - is it aspirin ? --------- *Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music* The Aubergine that ate Rangoon Rangoon is the capital of Burma ---------- *Quark, Strangeness and Charm* >Hassan I Sahba - leader of mediaeval Moslem sect known as the Hashishim, or >"assassins", who used hashish to induce an ecstatic state; Ismaili Shiite grouping founded in the late 11th Century. Their headquarters was in the virtually impregnable castle of Alamut in the Elburz Mountains in Iran they also spread to Syria in the Ansariyya Mountains where they caused big problems for both the crusaders and Saladin. There is a story of them trying to impress someone (French Crusaders I believe) by lining up the faithfull on the walls of the castle and ordering them to jump. The sect was dissolved inthe mid 13th C by the Mongols. >Black September Black September refers to September 1970 when Fedayeen and the PLO resisted an attempt by the Jordanian governement to establish control over their guerillas who were operating against Isreal. A civil war resulted - I assume the terrorist organisation is named after this event. Forge of Vulcan Vulcan is the Roman god of Fire and hence Blacksmiths ----------- *Space Bandits* Black Elk Speaks see http://www.unl.edu/UP/e-bes.htm ----------- *Alien 4* Area S4 is a US airforce base in Nevada, 125 miles north of Las Vegas I think it is the same as Area 51 or Dreamland and the location of the Blue Room that the Orb single takes its title from. This place is where the remains of the Rosewell UFO crash are supposed to have been taken. Stealth technology is supposed to have been developed from this wreckage, or from a pact with the surviving aliens depending on whom you believe (!) There is a lot of stuff on the internet about area 51. The abduction imagery is passim in the X-Files and also Whitley Streibers book Communion and the Book/film Fire in the Sky which tells of the abduction of Travis Walton again lots of stuff on the internet. Xenomorph is a term in geology that I dont understand sufficiently well to explain, literally I suppose it means "strange form". --------- OThers Mists of Meridin Meriden (slightly different spelling) is the town that is traditionally supposed to be the geographical centre of England. Dream of Isis Isis was the Egyptian Queen of the Gods Sonic Attack Could we have some mention on sonic weapons there was some discussion of this on the list a few weeks ago. The Right Stuff Book by Tom Wolfe turned into a film about test pilots and astronauts most of the lyrical content of the song is taken from the book. This leads us to Calverts solo work which is a rich source of references... It is the business.. I have gone through a great number of books of quotations. I can find the following which is Alfred North Whitehead "THe major advances in civilisation are processes that all but wreck the society in which they occur" but not the other bit - It needs checking in a bigger library than I have access to. All for now David ~===========================================================================~ David Jones david at mastmoor.demon.co.uk (Home) On English land the people dance like moths caught in a lamp ~===========================================================================~ From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sat Apr 13 22:47:11 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 22:47:11 -0400 Subject: HW: Are these reasonable? Message-ID: Hello Hawkfriends, I was in contact with a guy who owns a record store that deals in used vinyl. He recently returned from a trip from the UK, and has the following for sale. If anyone could help me by letting me know if these prices are reasonable, I would be much obliged. PXR5 - Charisma: $17.99 Hawkwind Zoo - Flicknife: $12.99 Levitation - EMI: $16.99 Roadhawks - EMI: $19.99 Space Ritual - UA: $16.99 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm - Charisma: $22.99 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music - Charisma: $29.99 This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic - Flicknife: $24.99 Friends and Relations - Flicknife: $4.99 (as is) I suspect this is in bad shape The Rock File - UA: $16.99 Zones - Flicknife: $12.99 Sonic Assassins - Flicknife: $12.99 Silver Machine - EMI: $12.99 In Search of Space - EMI: $24.99 Hawklords - Charisma: $17.99 He also has the book by Kris Tait for $20, a purple lyrics book with a pyramid on the front, I think for $20 also He has Hawkfan no.'s 7 and 8, but I didn't get the price, cause I then saw a Silver Machine picture disc in the shape of a motorcycle. This is $35.00 and I had him hold it for me till I get the cash in about a week. I know these items are going to be pricey, but I don't want to be burnt by paying way too much. I appreciate any feedback, and feel free to write me privately as not to take up space on the list about these items. Thanks for any help in advance, Duane aa5287 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sun Apr 14 02:45:36 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 01:45:36 -0500 Subject: HW: They did what!?! In-Reply-To: <316DBF19@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Rudich, Robert A wrote: > Dave, you've got to play guitar. The church of Hawkwind could be in > crisis. Then again, I recall very *little* guitar on _Church_of_Hawkwind_. In fact, I just sold CoH today for 2 reasons: 1) IMO it is one of the worst HW albums I've heard yet; 2) I need the cash. :) FYI I also sold Zones, my One Way _Doremi_, Phil Collins' _Both_Sides_, _FFWD_, and the Cars' _Heartbeat_City_. Damon Capehart | "Snot is running down his nose!" dcapehar at utdallas.edu | - Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Apr 14 07:31:05 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 22:31:05 +1100 Subject: HW:More Assembled Trivia Message-ID: On 13 Apr 96 David Jones wrote about HW:More Assembled Trivia: > --------- > *Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music* > > The Aubergine that ate Rangoon > > Rangoon is the capital of Burma And an Aubergine is an 'Eggplant' a purple vegetable in the marrow family ..... 'Attack of the Killer Tomatoes', eat your heart out! Paul/Soniqu=E9 Ob2CD: _Dark Eyed and Starry They Were_ (Australian Darkwave Compilation) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Apr 14 10:23:17 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 16:23:17 +0200 Subject: HW: Are these reasonable? Message-ID: Hello Duane Here are some hints >PXR5 - Charisma: $17.99 Price is OK, maybe a bit to expensive >Hawkwind Zoo - Flicknife: $12.99 BUY IT!!! >Levitation - EMI: $16.99 If it is the blue vinyl: BUY IT >Roadhawks - EMI: $19.99 Price is OK. (with poster ??) >Space Ritual - UA: $16.99 Very cheap!! BUY IT >Quark, Strangeness, and Charm - Charisma: $22.99 If there are no slides, it is to expensive >Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music - Charisma: $29.99 Only if it is with inner sleeve, buy it! >This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic - Flicknife: $24.99 To expensive if no foldout cover and poster >Friends and Relations - Flicknife: $4.99 (as is) I suspect this is in bad shape Very cheap >Zones - Flicknife: $12.99 price is OK >Sonic Assassins - Flicknife: $12.99 price is OK >In Search of Space - EMI: $24.99 Buy it if it has fold out cover and log >Hawklords - Charisma: $17.99 price is OK >He also has the book by Kris Tait for $20, a purple lyrics book with a >pyramid on the front, I think for $20 also BUY IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!! >Silver Machine picture disc in the shape of a motorcycle. This is $35.00 >and I had him hold it for me till I get the cash in about a week. The price is OK Bernhard From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Sun Apr 14 13:03:28 1996 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 13:03:28 -0400 Subject: BOC Album sales ? Message-ID: Anyone have a listing detailing how many of each of BOC albums were sold ? Thanks, Shawn From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sun Apr 14 13:43:06 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 13:43:06 -0400 Subject: NIk VS DAVE Message-ID: Don't be surprised to see all songs co- written by Brock to be expurgated from the New Nik Live Video-- due out soon. Who's Gonna Win The War;-( regards, Bill Stewart From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Apr 14 21:33:12 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 21:33:12 BST Subject: HW: Are these reasonable? In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Sun, 14 Apr 1996 16:23:17 +0200 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hello Duane > > Here are some hints > > >PXR5 - Charisma: $17.99 > Price is OK, maybe a bit to expensive > Also check whether the plug is on the back cover. There are three types of cover 1) wrongly wired plug 2) plug covered by a red sticker saying "do not remove" (this version is fairly rare now) 3) no plug at all - this was the re-issue of the cover after all the controversy and *should* therefore be the most common of the three versions. The original issue also had the option of picking up the first Pete Frame Hawkwind family tree as a poster but any originals of these have long, long vanished I fear since I've never seen one. You can buy the book of family trees tho' now - which is thoroughly entertaining. > >Hawkwind Zoo - Flicknife: $12.99 > BUY IT!!! > > >Levitation - EMI: $16.99 > If it is the blue vinyl: BUY IT > > > >Roadhawks - EMI: $19.99 > Price is OK. (with poster ??) > hmmm - around 14.00 pounds? I'd say you needed the poster along with this to make it worthwhile at that price. Still, it is the only early album not to be on CD (and never to be if I remember Brock's comments from somewhere or another about this possibility). > > >Space Ritual - UA: $16.99 > Very cheap!! BUY IT > Is this the original version with the fold out cover and psychedelic orange and yellow inner sleeves? > > >Quark, Strangeness, and Charm - Charisma: $22.99 > If there are no slides, it is too expensive > Yeah - definitely agree! > > >Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music - Charisma: $29.99 > Only if it is with inner sleeve, buy it! > > > >This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic - Flicknife: $24.99 > To expensive if no foldout cover and poster > I think this also came out in two colours - purple and gold (for the gatefold) and purple and red with the poster - but I can't be sure 'cos I haven't got the poster 8-( > > > >He also has the book by Kris Tait for $20, a purple lyrics book with a > >pyramid on the front, I think for $20 also > BUY IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Definitely! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Apr 14 21:36:30 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 21:36:30 BST Subject: HW: Are these reasonable? In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Sat, 13 Apr 1996 22:47:11 -0400 Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: > Hello Hawkfriends, > > I was in contact with a guy who owns a record store that deals in used vinyl. > He recently returned from a trip from the UK, and has the following for sale. > If anyone could help me by letting me know if these prices are reasonable, I > would be much obliged. > > The Rock File - UA: $16.99 This will be the first Hawkwind album which was reissued in a cheap cover. Only buy this if you are a serious Kollector! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Apr 14 21:46:53 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 21:46:53 BST Subject: HW: They did what!?! In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Fri, 12 Apr 1996 08:21:00 EDT Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > > I take back everything I said, no self respecting Hawkwind would tamper with > "Hassan I Sabha" by inserting some ambient piece right into the middle of > it. Dave has strayed from the path and should be debrocked and maybe Actually I think this is one of the very best segues they've ever done - in a good live performance they can make Hassan I Sahba sound really menacing, introduce the quieter Arabic sounds of Space is their Palestine (which complements it in both content and style) together with some dreamy synth sounds and then swing back to the aggression of Hassan I Sahba. The contrast usually works extremely well. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Sun Apr 14 21:59:02 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 21:59:02 BST Subject: HW: The EBS Samples In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:20:45 -0400 Message-ID: Andy Gilham writes: The EBS Sampler > hey, it's only 3.99, and the booklet is a nice little catalogue of EBS > releases, with cover art and track lists (including the live and remix > albums). > There's a great track on it from Alan Davey - nicely melodic and gentle. I like it! Not sure about the rest of it - the Hawkwind tracks are a strange choice and the final one "Sonic Destruction (Advent Remix)" is a complete waste of disc space. Worryingly the "Ritual of the Solstice Compilation" has a catalogue number lower than that of Alien 4. Stunning cover but have I missed its release?? Also just to confirm that "Cosmic Travellers Vol 6" is a Friends and Relations release on the Frenchy ex-Flicknife Anagram (Cherry Red Records) label. Quite an interesting selection of bands. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sun Apr 14 17:47:23 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 17:47:23 -0400 Subject: HW: The EBS Samples Message-ID: Jill says >There's a great track on it from Alan Davey - nicely melodic and gentle. >I like it! No doubt about it, the Davey is the highlight of the "new" tracks! He's come a long way since "Elric the Enchanter part 2"! :) >Worryingly the "Ritual of the Solstice Compilation" has a catalogue >number lower than that of Alien 4. Stunning cover but have I >missed its release?? You mean you expect them to release them in order? :) No, I don't *think* you've missed it, but it'll be worth a look on the racks tomorrow, I'd have thought... Did anyone post the track list for _Love in Space_? If not, here it is: Abducted - Death Trap - Wastelands - Are You Losing Your Mind? - Photo Encounter - Blue Skin - Sputnic Stan - Robot - Alien - Xenomorph - Vega - Love in Space - Kapal - Elfin - Silver Machine - Welcome. And it says here, "two CD, 16 page booklet digipak & double vinyl LP". And for the remix album: "A collection of Hawkwind remixed tracks. Put together by David Gates and partner Malcom Stanners of Salt Tank and features Salt Tank along with Astralasia, Utah Saints, Senser, Optic Eye, Banco de Gaia... CD and LP." Forge of Vulcan - Master of the Universe - You Shouldn't Do That - Sonic Destruction - Sonic Attack - Assassin - Needle Gun - Silver Machine. *Needle Gun*?!?!? 8O >Also just to confirm that "Cosmic Travellers Vol 6" is a Friends and >Relations release on the Frenchy ex-Flicknife Anagram (Cherry Red >Records) label. Quite an interesting selection of bands. Do tell! - Andy ObCD: MC5 - _High Time_ From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Mon Apr 15 01:08:22 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 00:08:22 -0500 Subject: OFF: Neu! 2 Message-ID: Hail, Krautrockers! I know I can always get an answer here. No, it's not the usual "Should I buy?" question this time -- I already bought it (Neu! 2). I've bought a lot of records, but this is a first. The first side plays just fine, no troubles. Side 2 is another story. Now this is a regular 33 1/3 record. And yet there is "Neuschnee 78", "Super 16" and "Super 78". The "78"s play at hyper-speed and my phonograph does not have a 78 setting. "Super 16" is extremely slow. This is all on the regular 33 speed. From what I can gather from the German liner notes (though it's a British release), these are single versions of these songs. But why put them on a 33 record?? I'm totally confused. And then there's "Cassetto" and "Hallo Excentrico" that also play at wrong speeds, but are not labelled such. I'm really disappointed, as this sounds like a good album otherwise. Anyone know about this strange release? Thanks, Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Mon Apr 15 01:09:57 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 00:09:57 -0500 Subject: HW: They did what!?! Message-ID: On 14-APR-1996 02:52:20.3 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Rudich, Robert A wrote: >> Dave, you've got to play guitar. The church of Hawkwind could be in >> crisis. >Then again, I recall very *little* guitar on _Church_of_Hawkwind_. In >fact, I just sold CoH today for 2 reasons: 1) IMO it is one of the >worst HW albums I've heard yet; WOW. I absolutely love this album, that is the CD w/the three bonus tracks. It's the best '80s HW album (or Brock album, whatever...sounds HW enough to me) I've heard yet (except maybe LC). Am I alone? Chuck `[1;36;47mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Apr 15 04:21:44 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 09:21:44 +0100 Subject: HW: The EBS Samples In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 14 Apr 1996 17:47:23 EDT." <960414174722_375384635@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: > >Also just to confirm that "Cosmic Travellers Vol 6" is a Friends and > >Relations release on the Frenchy ex-Flicknife Anagram (Cherry Red > >Records) label. Quite an interesting selection of bands. > > Do tell! > > - Andy Not sight nor sound ofthe EBS samples thingy in Ipswich, but I saw a copy of CT vol6 going cheapish. As I recall the bands were something like Hawkwind, Hawklords, Annubian Lights, Melting Euphoria, Underground Zero, Spiral Realms, Farflung & Zero Gravity, maybe a couple of others.. Tim From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Apr 15 04:31:45 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 04:31:45 -0400 Subject: OFF: Neu! 2 Message-ID: Basically, they screwed up on the budget and didn't get it finished on time. So they filled it up with any old stuff. "Hallo Excentrico!" is "Fur Immer" recorded with Klaus Dinger putting his fingers on the tape spool while Michael Rother and Conny Plank have a conversation. Think of them as bonus tracks :) - Andy From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Apr 15 09:53:26 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 09:53:26 BST Subject: HW: The EBS Samples In-Reply-To: Andy Gilham's message of Sun, 14 Apr 1996 17:47:23 -0400 Message-ID: > And for the remix album: "A collection of Hawkwind remixed tracks. Put > together by David Gates and partner Malcom Stanners of Salt Tank and features > Salt Tank along with Astralasia, Utah Saints, Senser, Optic Eye, Banco de > Gaia... CD and LP." Sounds interesting. Who was responsible for the crap track on the sampler? It's a shame the sampler didn't put "The Curse Of Man" from Undisclosed Files - it would have been a much better choice than "Coded Languages". Dave. From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Apr 15 05:27:09 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 05:27:09 -0400 Subject: HW: The EBS Samples Message-ID: Dave asked > Who was responsible for the crap track on the sampler? Advent (whoever he/she/they is/are!) - Andy From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Mon Apr 15 10:39:15 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 10:39:15 BST Subject: HW:Remasters - A happy tale Message-ID: Well, I held off for as long as I could.....but Saturday I just had to buy 'Doremi..' The reason was simple- a while back ALL 100 + of my CD's were stolen (no insurance - damn!), & I needed cheering up. To my delight, my local record store had ALL the remasters in. What a dilema ! (By the way, is 30mins the record for dithering, picking up '..Grill' muttering & replacing it in the rack, only to pick it up 2 mins later ?) Still, by the time I got home, & listened to 30secs of Brainstorm I was one very happy chappy. :-) I cannot praise this CD highly enough. ObGig Terrorvision @ the Forum. From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Apr 15 08:54:15 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 07:54:15 EST Subject: OFF: insurance for CDs and/or tapes ? Message-ID: A recent comment re: remasters reminded me of one of my least favorite nightmares. Being the obsessed and hounded Kollector that I am, I would pass completely beyond sanity if I were ever to lose access to much of my Kollection... >%^( My question is, does anyone here (particularly USA) have any experience with insuring music collections? I am interested in the facts on insuring a large CD collection, and also insuring a library of live tapes. If anybody out in BOC-L land can give me any stories about insuring such things (and I don't mean the "I really wish I'd been insured.." kind), I'd love to take it offline. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 15 09:37:15 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 09:37:15 -0400 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock CD Message-ID: >>More kind words of praise please, o king of the boot lickers. Suck up a little more why don't you? Exactly WHO are you speaking to here? If you are referring to my me, I don't appreciate this, and think it is unwarranted. My words regarding my respect for the integrity people like Al and Deb were not meant as "bootlicking" -- I merely didn't want to give an impression that I had reason to doubt their statements regarding BOC, even though I was trying to point out that it is from their point of view. As far as what I said about buying *Eponymous* or *Trepanation*, I am simply recommending some music which I like to listen to to the rest of this list. I am not "sucking up" to Al and Deb by doing so. If I speak well of people who consider me a friend (and vice versa), well excuse me. If the above comment was meant as tongue-in-cheek, well I'm sorry if the joke was lost on me . . . John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 15 10:08:27 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 15:08:27 +0100 Subject: HW: They did what!?! In-Reply-To: <9604142146.aa11801@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Apr 14, 96 09:46:53 pm Message-ID: > > I take back everything I said, no self respecting Hawkwind would tamper with > > "Hassan I Sabha" by inserting some ambient piece right into the middle of > > it. Dave has strayed from the path and should be debrocked and maybe > > Actually I think this is one of the very best segues they've ever done - > in a good live performance they can make Hassan I Sahba sound really > menacing, introduce the quieter Arabic sounds of Space is their > Palestine (which complements it in both content and style) together with > some dreamy synth sounds and then swing back to the aggression of > Hassan I Sahba. The contrast usually works extremely well. It failed grossly at the NYC show last spring, but at the next show in New Haven it worked just fine. "Hassan I Sabha" swirled down into a brooding "Space Is Their Palestine" and the came boiling and snarling back up. I didn't think it would work, having seen it fail in NYC, but it did. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Apr 15 10:16:54 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 10:16:54 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: ing there happens to be a Japanese promoter who puts on 2 Space Rock Shows a month. He offers the bands top pay to do these shows. Nik played in Japan with the same line-up as the US Tour---Simon House and the Pressurehed guys were there. I do not know how the show was billed but I am assuming it was nik turner's HAWKWIND. From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Mon Apr 15 11:11:14 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:11:14 -0400 Subject: HW:More Assembled Trivia In-Reply-To: <22637f6d.u7t157e.499d5-david@mastmoor.demon.co.uk> from "David Jones" at Apr 13, 96 02:47:45 pm Message-ID: David writes... > > These are a few additions to the assembled trivia that was posted about a > week ago. > --------- > *Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music* > > The Aubergine that ate Rangoon > > Rangoon is the capital of Burma First off...Burma is now Myanmar, I think. Secondly, I seem to have a vague remembrance of this being a take-off of a campy sci-fi thing (movie perhaps??) entitled 'The Eggplant that ate Calcutta'. And then that the word 'aubergine' is French for eggplant. I'm sorry, this may be completely inaccurate - does this ring a bell with anyone??? Keith H. (FAA) From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Apr 15 11:25:11 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:25:11 -0700 Subject: OFF: insurance for CDs and/or tapes ? Message-ID: > My question is, does anyone here (particularly USA) have any > experience with insuring music collections? I am interested in > the facts on insuring a large CD collection, and also insuring a > library of live tapes. > In short, it's a large pain in the ass. Your live tapes would be particularly difficult, as there is no set value. (Their legality would also come into question.) Vinyl is a similar pain. Cds are obviously a lot easier, as you can use catalogs as reference to value. Any extensive collection will probably require an additional rider on your homeowners/rental policy. Shop around. Different agents have different attitudes about the subject. The documentation is the real toughie. Having a list of the entire Kollection with verifiable values attached could represent a bit of work, I'd imagine. Good luck! Wylie, considering building a moat around the record room. From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Apr 15 11:24:23 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:24:23 -0700 Subject: OFF: Neu! 2 Message-ID: You wrote: > >Hail, Krautrockers! I know I can always get an answer here. No, >it's not the usual "Should I buy?" question this time -- I >already bought it (Neu! 2). I've bought a lot of records, but >this is a first. The first side plays just fine, no troubles. >Side 2 is another story. Now this is a regular 33 1/3 record. >And yet there is "Neuschnee 78", "Super 16" and "Super 78". The >"78"s play at hyper-speed and my phonograph does not have a 78 >setting. "Super 16" is extremely slow. This is all on the >regular 33 speed. From what I can gather from the German liner >notes (though it's a British release), these are single >versions of these songs. But why put them on a 33 record?? I'm >totally confused. And then there's "Cassetto" and "Hallo >Excentrico" that also play at wrong speeds, but are not >labelled such. I'm really disappointed, as this sounds like a >good album otherwise. > Ha! They gotcha there. Those pesky Germans are screwing with your mind. Nothing wrong with that vinyl, lad, except that IMO it ain't too good. The first was vastly superior. Wylie From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Apr 15 11:35:22 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 02:35:22 +1100 Subject: HW:More Assembled Trivia Message-ID: On 15 Apr 96 Keith A Henderson wrote about Re: HW:More Assembled Trivia: > > The Aubergine that ate Rangoon > > > > Rangoon is the capital of Burma > > First off...Burma is now Myanmar, I think. Secondly, I seem to have a vague > remembrance of this being a take-off of a campy sci-fi thing (movie perhaps??) > entitled 'The Eggplant that ate Calcutta'. Yeah .. that rings a bell! > And then that the word 'aubergine' > is French for eggplant. As per my previous post .... Hey Keith ... still can't mail you man! -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Apr 15 11:34:01 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:34:01 -0400 Subject: HW:More Assembled Trivia Message-ID: Keith noted >First off...Burma is now Myanmar, I think. Secondly, I seem to have a vague >remembrance of this being a take-off of a campy sci-fi thing (movie >perhaps??) >entitled 'The Eggplant that ate Calcutta'. And then that the word >'aubergine' >is French for eggplant. I'm sorry, this may be completely inaccurate - does >this ring a bell with anyone??? There certainly was something like that, which I was trying to research for the assembled list - but the nearest match I could find was Peter Weir's "The Cars that Ate Paris", and I'm sure that title is itself a take-off of something. And I'm sure the Killer Tomatoes were derivative of it too! BTW, re "Flight to Maputo" - it occurred to me that this might be a reference to the death of President Samora Machel of Mozambique in a plane crash in 1986. Still looking for explanations of Pocus (7 by 7), Honky Dorky (Hunky-Dory [Bowie album?] + Honky + Dork??? Like, is it a pisstake of DB?), PXR5 (I'm sure it's a metaphor for recent HW history, but "PXR5"?), just what sort of drug is tuinol ("Lost Johnny"), Techno-Tropic Zone (que?), Social Alliance (it's not *really* about the SDP, is it? :), Kadu (abbreviated form of "Kathmandu" or something more profound?), "from the film", and probably loads more besdies! - Andy ObTrack - "High Rise" off Turner's _Past or Future?_. Simon House yeah! From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Mon Apr 15 11:53:10 1996 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:53:10 -0400 Subject: OFF: Neu! 2 Message-ID: >From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM >already bought it (Neu! 2). I've bought a lot of records, but >this is a first. The first side plays just fine, no troubles. >Side 2 is another story. Now this is a regular 33 1/3 record. >And yet there is "Neuschnee 78", "Super 16" and "Super 78". The >"78"s play at hyper-speed and my phonograph does not have a 78 >setting. "Super 16" is extremely slow. This is all on the >regular 33 speed. From what I can gather from the German liner >notes (though it's a British release), these are single >versions of these songs. But why put them on a 33 record?? I'm >totally confused. And then there's "Cassetto" and "Hallo >Excentrico" that also play at wrong speeds, but are not >labelled such. I'm really disappointed, as this sounds like a >good album otherwise. It is my understanding that Neu ran out of either time or budget after completing the first side of the album. So they filled out the second side by playing songs from the first side back at different speeds; i.e.; "Neuschnee 78" does not mean it is meant to be played at 78 rpm, rather it is "Neuschnee" (from the first side) played back at 78 rpm. If you did play it at 78 rpm it might well sound like the song on the first side. (I haven't tried it and there may well be some other factors involved.) Fortunately, they only resorted to this gimmick on _Neu 2_. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From brentmcd at DEM.EHNR.STATE.NC.US Mon Apr 15 13:36:46 1996 From: brentmcd at DEM.EHNR.STATE.NC.US (Brent C. McDonald) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:36:46 EST Subject: BOC: Where Imaginos? Message-ID: Pardon if this has been discussed before, but after reading the FAQ and lurking around, I'm jonesing to buy Imaginos. Unfortunately, I can't find it anywhere (locally or mail-order). Any suggestions? TIA. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Apr 15 17:46:47 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 17:46:47 BST Subject: HW:More Assembled Trivia In-Reply-To: Keith A Henderson's message of Mon, 15 Apr 1996 11:11:14 -0400 Message-ID: > And then that the word 'aubergine' is French for eggplant. The word 'aubergine' is *English* for eggplant! :-) (Though we may well have nicked it from the French). Dave. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Apr 15 17:52:53 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 17:52:53 BST Subject: HW: GONG In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:38:00 EDT Message-ID: Gong were excellent. Thanks to everyone who encouraged me to go. The second set in particular was superb. Time to eat some of my words: * One of the two best tracks was also the most Ozrics-like - a rolling bass with jazz sax solo and rock guitar solo. Steffi was *really* into it. And Mike Howlett was superb on bass. * Virtually all the material was from the early 70s. Perhaps it's not such a bad place to be stuck. * I would like to see Hawkwind with most of the music live - get another keyboard player or two for the tours, Dave, and someone to share solo work! Dave. From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon Apr 15 12:58:25 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:58:25 -0400 Subject: OFF: insurance for CDs and/or tapes ? Message-ID: Your best bet is to insure it under a homeowners' policy. Take photos, catalogue collection, etc, keep receipts. But insurance co's aren't going to treat your art as if it's a priceless Picasso... some things may be personally irreplaceable, but so are out-of-print books...as well as your favorite baby toy or departed uncle's kindergarten art project..just figure out what the real monetary worth is... and see what's reasonable in terms of homeowners' insurance...paying premiums for $500,000 worth of cassettes may just not be worth it...also make sure you have the right kind of insurance... for floods, if you're in a flood area, etc... From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Mon Apr 15 13:03:28 1996 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:03:28 -0400 Subject: HW:More Assembled Trivia Message-ID: >From: Keith A Henderson > --------- >> *Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music* > >> The Aubergine that ate Rangoon > >First off...Burma is now Myanmar, I think. Secondly, I seem to have a vague >remembrance of this being a take-off of a campy sci-fi thing (movie perhaps??) >entitled 'The Eggplant that ate Calcutta'. And then that the word 'aubergine' >is French for eggplant. I'm sorry, this may be completely inaccurate - does >this ring a bell with anyone??? There was a novelty song in the late sixties or early seventies entitled "The Eggplant That Ate Chicago". Don't know if that was the origin or merely another follow-up. Not sure on the name of the band: Paper Lace? Or were they the ones responsible for "The Night Chicago Died"? I think I remember the song as being similar in style to the New Vaudville Band's "Winchester Cathedral". John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Apr 15 13:08:02 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:08:02 -0400 Subject: HW:More Assembled Trivia In-Reply-To: <199604151328.XAA01191@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Apr 1996, Assassin Sonique wrote: > On 15 Apr 96 Keith A Henderson wrote about Re: HW:More Assembled > Trivia: > > > > The Aubergine that ate Rangoon > > > > > > Rangoon is the capital of Burma > > > > First off...Burma is now Myanmar, I think. Secondly, I seem to have a vague > > remembrance of this being a take-off of a campy sci-fi thing (movie perhaps??) > > entitled 'The Eggplant that ate Calcutta'. > > Yeah .. that rings a bell! Close, but no cigar. You're thinking of the cheesy song, "The Eggplant that Ate Chicago." (I don't know who did it, but you could probably find out by looking at the track list of any of those Dr. Demento collections.) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Elmore James, _King of the Slide Guitar: Disc 1_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 15 14:07:31 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:07:31 EST Subject: BOC: Where Imaginos? Message-ID: > > Pardon if this has been discussed before, but after reading the FAQ and > lurking around, I'm jonesing to buy Imaginos. Unfortunately, I can't > find it anywhere (locally or mail-order). Any suggestions? TIA. 'Imaginos' isn't the least bit rare. Any good-sized record shop will likely have a copy, or can order it for you. It'll be 'filed in there someplace with Black Sabbath, or the Blues Brothers...somewhere in there' [E.B. in concert once!] But it is definitely a must-have album, whether you're a BOC fan or BOC hater. Even though it's hardly a BOC album, the lyrics resonate very well with a lot of the other BOC stuff, and the BOC singing on it throughout make it almost compatible with other BOC stuff. It's light years ahead of 'Club Ninja' or 'Rev. By Night.' In fact it compares very favorably with the best of the 'old' stuff. theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 15 14:15:27 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:15:27 EST Subject: Better to suck boots than what he sucks! Message-ID: > >>More kind words of praise please, o king of the boot > lickers. Suck up a little more why don't you? > > > Exactly WHO are you speaking to here? If you are referring to my me, I > don't appreciate this, and think it is unwarranted. My words regarding Maybe he was referring to me? Personally, I don't give a shit. Both your remarks and mine were plenty clear and even handed both in praising Al and questioning the motives of 3OC. Most likely just trying to cause trouble, like the unfortunate 'smiley face' warfare that happened a while back. > my respect for the integrity people like Al and Deb were not meant as > "bootlicking" -- I merely didn't want to give an impression that I had > reason to doubt their statements regarding BOC, even though I was trying > to point out that it is from their point of view. As far as what I said Hey, Al and the Surgeons have been a lot more responsive [and responsible] toward their fans than BOC, and they deserve a little shot in the arm from time to time. > about buying *Eponymous* or *Trepanation*, I am simply recommending some > music which I like to listen to to the rest of this list. I am not > "sucking up" to Al and Deb by doing so. If I speak well of people who > consider me a friend (and vice versa), well excuse me. > Right! The whole point of this list is to provide a forum for fans to comment on what they consider quality music, as well as to share opinions/knowledge about BOC, HW and tBS. He may as well call everyone on this list an ass-kisser! > If the above comment was meant as tongue-in-cheek, well I'm sorry if the > joke was lost on me . . . > > John I wouldn't lose one seconds sleep over the feeble attempts of this would-be flame-warrior. theo From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Mon Apr 15 13:17:14 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 10:17:14 -0700 Subject: BOC: Where Imaginos? In-Reply-To: <1CAEA2408F6@mordor.ehnr.state.nc.us> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Apr 1996, Brent C. McDonald wrote: > Pardon if this has been discussed before, but after reading the FAQ and > lurking around, I'm jonesing to buy Imaginos. Unfortunately, I can't > find it anywhere (locally or mail-order). Any suggestions? TIA. > Must respectable record/CD shops can order it for you (about 2 week waiting period). If you have a Coconuts or Mediaplay in your neck of the woods, they actually carry it at times. . . -Passerby in Times Square From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Apr 15 14:28:34 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:28:34 EST Subject: BOC Bogie connection? Message-ID: John sez: > Well, sometimes we have to learn the hard way that people we look up to > for a certain ability, whether it's playing a guitar, dunking a basketball, > or make us laugh 'til our sides ache ... are NOT necessarily people we > should somehow expect to somehow be great PEOPLE. Appreciate the people > for what they do, but don't expect that who they are is someone you should > try to be. You think someone like Buck Dharma wants people to emulate > his lifestyle, habits, personal beliefs, etc. just 'cuz they like the way > he can play a guitar? He's famous for being a great guitarist, not a > model citizen or a great humanitarian. BTW, I'm not trying to imply that HUmphrey Bogart once said: the only thing I owe to my fans is my best performance' meaning that he didn't feel a need to sign autographs, make public appearances etc. For him it was a privacy thing, but I can see parallels to BOC as well. It simply makes our admiration more palatable if we think that someone we admire is also a good person. It makes us uncomfortable to think that we like someone who hasn't behaved honorably--sort of a reflection upon ourselves, I guess. > ANYONE in BOC is an asshole - maybe they are, and maybe they aren't, I'm > just using Buck as an example. And I agree with Theo that I my opinions > of them as musicians, and my ability to appreciate their music is > seperate from my opinions of them as people. How many of us try and "get > to know" an artist on some personal level before we are willing to listen > to and buy their music? Hey, if I like the music, I'm gonna listen to > it, and I sure as hell don't have time or the resources to find out if > the artist in question has similar beliefs, morals, personal habits, etc. > as myself. > > >The way I see it, they're paying a Coleridgian price for > their treatment of Al, both in their careers, and in the esteem of > their fans... > > Well, I think that is a bit too simple of an answer, and we should also > realize that we may be somewhat biased on our end. First of all, I > definitely believe that Al is a big part of BOC's success, and that the > music suffered greatly after he left. But, it may be a stretch to assume > that BOC never would've went anywhere had Al never been in the band -- it > might have been much different, and possibly less successful, but > non-existent? I don't know about that. However, I also believe that > BOC's problems go way beyond what happened between individuals. This > band has been without Al (2 weeks in '85, and the Imaginos saga not > withstanding) as a contributor for almost 15 years. Has the band made > no other mistakes since then other than the handling of Imaginos? Can > you say Club Ninja? Can you say Cult Classic? Can you say Workshop of > the Telescopes? (which, btw I think the band should have overseen more > and demanded a more quality product, especially in terms of the packaging) > Can you say "we've got a new album coming out 'soon'"? Can you say > "we don't want to release our material independently"? This band is > certainly paying, but losing Al (and Joe) Bouchard is only part of the > reason that this band is where they are at today (a big part, I do believe, > but certainly there have been many more mistakes which followed). > Agreed, though it is easy to see that their major toubles started after they shafted Al. Maybe a little more than coincidence? > As far as us being biased, well, we have to keep in mind that we get alot > of our insight on some of this stuff from Al and Deb. And, as Albert > told me himself when I would ask for his input on some of this stuff > for the FAQ, it is only part of the story, or only the story from his > point of view. I have no reason to doubt anything that Al and Deb have Yes! The maddening thing is that the rest of BOC never participate in this forum and try to tell their side of the story. Really, Al could whine an awful lot more if he wanted to, and ascend the soapbox whenever he felt like it--we're a captive audience. But he usually only offers stuff about the 'Imaginos' saga when someone poses a specific question, and then is surprisingly free from personal attacks. This contributes to his credibility, I believe. I wish the rest of them would get on BOC-L and tell us their side, then we could decide for ourselves. > told us, and in fact one of the reasons I have great respect for them > is because of this statement Al made to me -- he realizes that there are > 2 sides to a story, and he can not speak for other members of BOC. We > have to all understand that what happened between the members in question > is not necessarily simple, and that all of the details may not be > pleasant, and that (most importantly) they are none of our business. > Sure enough. While I admire Al a lot [more sycophantic ass-kissing!] it's likely he's done some bad shit to the rest of BOC over the years as well. I just think he's a little more--make that a lot more--up front about it. I've never heard of him trying to duck his responsibility for the way things turned out. theo> From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Apr 15 13:37:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:37:00 EDT Subject: Other: GONG strikes well Message-ID: >Gong were excellent. Thanks to everyone who encouraged me to go. The >second set in particular was superb. Glad you liked it, Dave. How was PT??? Worth traveling to Balt. to catch the 1 gig? >Time to eat some of my words: >* One of the two best tracks was also the most Ozrics-like - a rolling bass > with jazz sax solo and rock guitar solo. Steffi was *really* into it. > And Mike Howlett was superb on bass. This sounds like "Cycles." It also could have been "Techno Mercury." I liked it a lot, but Carl hated the drum machine. At Boston the 2 segued and it is hard to tell exactly where one stops and the other begins. Depends on how much drum there was. >* Virtually all the material was from the early 70s. Perhaps it's not > such a bad place to be stuck. Not for them. I've read reviews of different versions of GONG doing different era's songs, and everybody seems to like the 70s the best. >* I would like to see Hawkwind with most of the music live - get another > keyboard player or two for the tours, Dave, and someone to share solo > work! Like Harvey and Huw? What a reunion tour they could do. Forget the Eagles and their Hell Freezes Over tour. >Dave. Rudy From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Mon Apr 15 13:46:31 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 18:46:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkfan Needs Help In-Reply-To: <960415052709_191345614@emout09.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Sorry to post OFF Topic but I'm hoping someone here can help me. I need to contact Brian Tawn urgently about a private matter but normal post will take too long. Can anyone out there in Hawkland get a message to him or maybe give me his phone number. I wouldn't ask but it will possibly save us both hassle and money. If you can help please Email me privatly. Thanks. Si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Apr 15 14:30:46 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:30:46 -0400 Subject: HW:More Assembled Trivia Message-ID: >> Rangoon is the capital of Burma > >First off...Burma is now Myanmar, I think That is the official name used by the dictatorship that runs Burma. It is little-used (even with the country) except where rigidly enforced... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Apr 15 14:30:48 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:30:48 -0400 Subject: BOC: Where Imaginos? Message-ID: >Pardon if this has been discussed before, but after reading the FAQ and >lurking around, I'm jonesing to buy Imaginos. Unfortunately, I can't >find it anywhere (locally or mail-order). Any suggestions? TIA. I can always find tapes, most local stores have dozens for around $3-$4 each. I've never seen a CD of Imaginos.... A friend of mine sent me a post card with the same house on the cover of Imaginos depicted on it. There was no caption, and I don't know where he is nowadays. Anyone know anything more about the picture (or it it a painting?) +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon Apr 15 15:50:35 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 15:50:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: Boot licking Message-ID: Am not sure what this bootlicking business is about, so maybe the poster should clarify the point-- as well as the subject and object. If it was indeed directed at John Swartz, anyone who's really participated for any length of time in the discussion here-- as opposed to, say, tossing off the occasional thoughtless quip,unsubstantiated statement or random flame-- knows by now that he extends the same kind of courtesy to EVERYONE, tinker, lurker, pundit and/or idiot alike. Most of us are not nearly as generous or as tolerant-- whether it comes down to the arcana of collecting or coffee wars. But those are our failings. John's attempts to consider everyone's feelings and to qualify his opinions in order not to step on anyone else's-- casual list member or informed band member alike, person who's just shootin' the breeze on the boss's internet account or someone whose life, work, sweat, and blood have been devoted or sacrificed to some of the topics under discussion-- sometimes verge on the obsequious (nothing I haven't told him to his face) but hey, if he's a bootlicker, he's an equal opportunity bootlicker. From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Apr 15 16:18:05 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 22:18:05 +0200 Subject: OFF:Re: BOC: Boot licking (ignore if you want to...) Message-ID: >A. John's attempts to consider everyone's feelings >and to qualify his opinions in order not to step on anyone else's-- casual >list member or informed band member alike, person who's just shootin' the >breeze on the boss's internet account or someone whose life, work, sweat,= and >blood have been devoted or sacrificed to some of the topics under >discussion-- sometimes verge on the obsequious (nothing I haven't told him= to >his face) but hey, if he's a bootlicker, he's an equal opportunity >bootlicker. > This is a veeeeryyyyy loooooong sentence, over 80 words (I=B4ll guess I=B4m= an=20 idiot but I=B4ve count the words -I=B4ve got nothing better to do). Sorry. I just thought you should know this. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)= =20 :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s=E5 jag best=E4mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a 392 36 KALMAR 0480-245 11 From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon Apr 15 17:27:57 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 17:27:57 -0400 Subject: BOC: Where Imaginos? In-Reply-To: <199604151830.OAA10302@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Apr 15, 96 02:30:48 pm Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > > A friend of mine sent me a post card with the same house on the cover of > Imaginos depicted on it. There was no caption, and I don't know where he is > nowadays. Anyone know anything more about the picture (or it it a painting?) It's called Cliff House, and I believe it's somewhere in or near San Francisco. A pretty famous landmark. Steve From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon Apr 15 17:37:24 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 17:37:24 -0400 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock CD In-Reply-To: <9604121427.AA12840@zeal> from "ross.reyes" at Apr 12, 96 10:27:05 am Message-ID: ross.reyes writes: > > More kind words of praise please, o king of the boot > lickers. Suck up a little more why don't you? Mr. Reyes: I hope you'll have the decency to unsubscribe yourself after this. Steve From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Apr 15 17:52:54 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 17:52:54 -0400 Subject: HW: Thanks for the help Message-ID: I would like to thank all who replied publicaly and privately about my price inquiry. It is a big help. I can't afford much of this stuff at one time so your input will help alot. MESSAGE TO CARL: I tried to send you a post privately, but it has bounced back three times now. I'm sorry to say the item you inquired about is no longer available. Write me if you want to talk trade on some tapes though. Thanks again Hawkfriends, Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Mon Apr 15 18:37:39 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 00:37:39 +0200 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock CD Message-ID: >ross.reyes writes: >> >> More kind words of praise please, o king of the boot >> lickers. Suck up a little more why don't you? > >Mr. Reyes: I hope you'll have the decency to unsubscribe yourself >after this. > >Steve > Well, John Swartz is free to say anything he wants to and so is Reyes too. But some comments may be more stupid and inmature than others. I have no doubt that the kind of reaction Steve expresses here is what=20 the-not-so-mature reyes was hoping to achieve. The best way to deal with personalities like that has allways been and will= =20 allways be, to ignore them. So by writing this mail am I actually reacting in the way reyes wanted. It is quite contradictory isn=B4t it? -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s=E5 jag best=E4mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a 392 36 KALMAR 0480-245 11 From stayer at PI.NET Tue Apr 16 02:23:14 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 23:23:14 PDT Subject: BOC: Decouvertes a Paris Message-ID: >Is anyone familiar with the magazine put out by the French Cult fan club, >Blue Pearl? There's a great new issue. Do they have an e-mail address? Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Apr 16 02:19:37 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 23:19:37 PDT Subject: BOC Tour Dates Message-ID: >"ON Tour Forever!!!" >6-04 Dallas, TX (With Styx & Kansas) "Hasbeen Fest'96" Now /that's/ a show I'd like to see. 'Hasbeen' :-) Still whining in Holland, Jerry From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 16 04:48:29 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 09:48:29 +0100 Subject: HW:More Assembled Trivia In-Reply-To: <960415113400_272268112@emout08.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: In message <960415113400_272268112 at emout08.mail.aol.com>, Andy Gilham writes >just what sort of >drug is tuinol ("Lost Johnny"), A horrible, horrible barbituarate. A downer in more was than one, withdrawing should not be attempted with out mediacal supervision as its frequently fatal. -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 16 07:44:34 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:44:34 +0100 Subject: HW:More Assembled Trivia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > >just what sort of > >drug is tuinol ("Lost Johnny"), > > A horrible, horrible barbituarate. A downer in more was than one, > withdrawing should not be attempted with out mediacal supervision as its > frequently fatal. And if I recall, it does actually interfere with ones capacity for dreaming (thus the "to murder our young dreams" or whatever line). Cheers, Carl From gumby at PRIMENET.COM Tue Apr 16 10:16:43 1996 From: gumby at PRIMENET.COM (Thomas Nelson) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 07:16:43 -0700 Subject: BOC Cliff House Message-ID: >> >> A friend of mine sent me a post card with the same house on the cover of >> Imaginos depicted on it. There was no caption, and I don't know where he is >> nowadays. Anyone know anything more about the picture (or it it a painting?) > >It's called Cliff House, and I believe it's somewhere in or near San >Francisco. A pretty famous landmark. Yes, it's in San Francisco on Highway One (right on the coast). It's a restaurant. My friends and I use to have late night bonfires on the beach beside us. We loved it because the mere sight of it gave us the willies. I think they have the postcards mentioned above; I've also seen posters. The Gumby Man Thomas Nelson*****The Gumby Man*****gumby at primenet.com "In this day and age, ignorance is not only inexcusable, it is criminal and perhaps fatal." The Anarchist Cookbook From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Apr 16 10:48:00 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 10:48:00 -0400 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? Message-ID: As you know, I've been quite harsh about most of Turner's recent output, but I really quite like this one! It's a lot more "together" than _SR94_, it seems a lot more comfortable with itself, and Simon House's presence adds such *class* (especially on "High Rise"). It's a more interesting selection of material, too, with stuff like "Lord of the Hornets" (instead of the 99th version of "Master of the Universe"). And it doesn't try to be what it's not. Also, Turner hands over the vocals on a couple of tracks so his voice doesn't wear out, and being a single CD it doesn't overstay its welcome. About the only black mark is for the Moorcock vocal, which is a bit cringe-making (but still miles better than Genesis P-Orridge on _SR94_). And to think I only bought it for the cover... :) - Andy From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Apr 16 12:11:12 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:11:12 -0400 Subject: HW: Various incarnations In-Reply-To: <3171FD9D@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Apr 15, 96 01:37:00 pm Message-ID: Hi Folks: I was sitting around thinking that we should get together and come up with a standardized nomenclature for all of the current and likely future incarnations of Hawkwind - Friends & Relations, so to speak. So, I've made a short list - feel free to add any other suggestions. Then we can have a vote once all the nominations have been made. OK, here goes..... Hawkwind The current lineup of Brock/Tree/Davey/Chadwick Brockwind Dave Brock's side projects, such as The Agents of Chaos Nikwind Nik Turner's band with House, Dettmar, Powell, Moorcock, etc. Darkwind The Nik Turner/DarXtar collaborations Pinkwind Nik joined by ex-Pink Fairies members Mulowind Harvey Bainbridge's projects in the HW vein Elfwind Alan Davey's projects in the HW vein Metalwind Huw Lloyd-Langton's projects in the HW vein Headwind Lemmy forms a side project to revive SR-blanga style Foxwind Samantha Fox fronts this band that charts the surprise dance hit, 'Turn to page 3, please' NikDikMikwind Nik Turner tracks down the 'audio generator' in Kathmandu for the sole purpose of outnumbering Brock's band in terms of legitimate HW members Creamwind Ginger Baker decides to go back on the road with his own band Slagwind Ex-Hippie Slag Bridgett Wishart decides that HW has lost touch with its feminine side Hailwind This heavily synth-dominated band features Keith Hayle and Paul Hayles Blakewind Tim Blake's answer to the synth-based HW style...aka 'Breakwind' in the Orient Spiralwind Simon House deciding he can do it without Nik's help Pressurewind Nik's supporting musicians get the same idea, and sack Nik from his own band Funkwind Alan Powell and Paul Rudolph decide to make Dave Brock's worst fears become reality Boobwind Stacia 'fronts' this band, and nobody notices who else is in it Welshwind Dave Anderson produces this band of people noone has ever heard of, and records them in his studio in the middle of Powys, Wales Ozwind Dave Brock, fearing the effects of a counterclockwise Coriolis force, is replaced by Ed Wynne, as the band makes its first trip Down Under Treewind Long lost brothers Ron and Porcupine get together for an interesting experience Mickwind Mick Slattery invites some of his Irish friends to form a return to the true 'original' Hawkwind style Wraithwind Robert Clavert returns to Earth to continue some of his on-stage banter, that he didn't feel he was given a proper chance to complete the first time 'round Bocwind Members of this list get together to form a band in tribute to Dave Brock, and perform at Dave's 100th birthday party in Bideford Bastardwind No, not Ron Tree, but Doug Smith forms this band - no music, but they still take your money at the door Well, that's a good start....hope I didn't offend anyone - if so, I apologize profusely. Oh, by the way, this is a joke......hope you realized that... :) Keith H. (FAA) From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue Apr 16 11:34:30 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 10:34:30 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind video questions Message-ID: I am starting to go through my Hawkwind video collection to organize it better. I have questions about some of the tapes that I'm sure some knowledgeable Hawk person can answer. One of the tapes I have is labeled simply "Live '79-'89". The video contains: Brainstorm (abrupt start into middle of song) (cut) Silver Machine Master of the Universe (cut) Intro to "Outer Limits" Choose Your Masques (cut) Solitary Mind Games (cut) Waiting for Tomorrow Dust of Time (abrupt start into middle of song) Ghost Dance Psychedelic Warlords Utopia Angels of Death Motorway City Silver machine Brainstorm (Nik draws a raffle ticket) Ejection Shot Down in the Night Master of the Universe (more raffle drawings with Nik) Where are these different bits from? The blank lines between the songs above indicate a venue change. There could be others, though, since it is sometimes hard to tell. I would guess that the last group is from Cricket St. Thomas on 4.6.83, but the video doesn't contain all the songs played at that gig. The first set is either from more than one gig, or Brainstorm was edited to be before Silver Machine. These might be from Ipswitch on 9.3.84. The middle set I don't even have a guess for, but maybe it is from '82 or '83. Can anyone give me more concrete information? Many thanks! Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those people I had to kill because they pissed me off. From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Apr 16 13:43:42 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:43:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Various incarnations Message-ID: >Hi Folks: hi >OK, here goes..... > >Hawkwind The current lineup of Brock/Tree/Davey/Chadwick snip >Bastardwind No, not Ron Tree, but Doug Smith forms this band - no music, Well. Impressive compilation. (what about - Upwind - Stacia replaced by "Up with people"....) As for boclwind, I suppose it might. So we take this one tape, see, and everyone mixes one track over it, and we do that repeatedly for everyone on the list, which each person mailing it on to the next. generation decay? never heard of it. We need something of a crossover tune between the two sides of the list, tho (Great Sun Jester?). \ +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Apr 16 14:43:34 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 13:43:34 EST Subject: HW: Hawkeye #5 report Message-ID: Many thanks to Jill for helping me get ahold of the new Hawkeye #5, and also Adrian's latest giglist book. Just looking over Hawkeye #5, and Adrian Parr has some new Hawk-rumors that I just had to spread: :-) - the Pentrich Custom Bike Show 1995 was videotaped, and includes about 10min of Hawkwind playing 'Assassins of Allah/Space is their Pal", with a short interview. - HW is to play a festival in Germany in July. - Two live HW shows from 1974 (possibly Chicago and Detroit ?) were recorded, as was the Edmonton Sundown, London Jan/74 show. Also recorded was an 'Astounding Sounds..' show from the Summer 1976 tour. Apparently this _is_ news, because Adrian is hinting that some of these may actually be released on the EBS label. - Nik is still touring with the Fantastic All-Stars jazz band. - The 'Hawk Fairies: Purple Haze Live' CD just out is from another Nik/Twink live show. It was recorded at the Purple Haze Club, Peterborough on 4/15/95. Supposedly this CD is better than the 'Festival of the Sun' Pinkwind CD, which many here have knocked for it's poor sound quality. - A new CD by Harvey Bainbridge is due out this June. (Will this be the 'Eyebrow Razor' promised last year?) - I.C.U. will have another release out in April. Possibly called 'Now You Know the Score'? - Moorcock is discussing an 'Elric' film with Hollywood. - HuwyLL toured Sweden last Feb 1995 (Hawk-swedes, where are you?). He is supposed to return to Sweden this September. Huw has also just signed a 3-record deal, with the first one (another "LLG") due out this summer. - Huw has also been working with the bands 'Sastun' and 'Overnight Angels', who will both be releasing the recordings at some point. - Adrian has been getting together with Trevor Hughes of Hawkfrendz fame. They are discussing some joint project (my freudian slip?). Apparently Trevor is trying to get back into producing HW-fanzines, similar to the massive selection that he put out right after Bob Calvert died. - The central section of the new Hawkeye #5 is a variation of our old friend the Hawkwind Codex. Apparently Adrian has sat down and listed the first appearance of every version of each HW song, organized chronologically. He includes LPs, singles, boots, and Wierd tapes, but not videos. This is just the small stuff that was news to me. Of course, there is always more in a fanzine than I describe -- there has to be a reason to buy these things, ya know! For those interested parties (and since I left out Brian Tawn's address from the last fanzine post I made): Adrian Parr 6 Conifers Close Teddington Middlesex, TW11 9JG England, UK Perhaps it is because we are in America, and so much further away from the central HW source, but the UK fanzines have consistently carried more specific news on HW than the USA fanzines that I have seen so far. I continue to feel justified for the trouble you have to go thru to get copies of UK paper items on Hawkwind. This does not in any way mean that I am knocking the USA fanzines (I'm still singing from the drubbing I got about my comments on Bob Lennon's _last_ fanzine), it's just an expression of of my opinion. OTOH, the US fanzines are still good places to get information, particularly if you don't have a source as valuable as BOC-L. Usually we hear it here first anyway. Support those fanzines! (USA, UK, and everybody else!) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObLaugh: "Treewind", "Boobwind", "Ozwind" <--corriolis effect :-) Thanks Keith! ObProperOrderOfTheUniverse: advert for Aerosmith opening for Hawkwind in 1974 (pg 4 of Hawkeye #5). From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 16 18:50:44 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 18:50:44 BST Subject: HW: Various incarnations In-Reply-To: Keith A Henderson's message of Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:11:12 -0400 Message-ID: Keith A Henderson writes: > Hi Folks: > > I was sitting around thinking that we should get together and come up with a > standardized nomenclature for all of the current and likely future incarnations > of Hawkwind - Friends & Relations, so to speak. So, I've made a short list - > feel free to add any other suggestions. Then we can have a vote once all the > nominations have been made. > > OK, here goes..... > ..... list now archived in my FAQs folder as Keithwind 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Apr 16 14:01:56 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 14:01:56 -0400 Subject: BOC: Decouvertes a Paris Message-ID: I don't think they have one yet. And I think that may be because the editor has been devoted to a dissertation or something, and hasn't had time to take the net plunge... But if you can bring yourself to pull out a pencil, write to them. It's really well done- not quite as elaborate or as graphic-filled as Morning Final (then again, there is only one Melne!) but close... it's worth checking out. From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Apr 16 14:02:10 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 14:02:10 -0400 Subject: OFF:Re: BOC: Boot licking (ignore if you want to...) Message-ID: Hey, you should be the king of word counters! :-) The Queen of Anti-Punctuation From christoj at PLK.AF.MIL Tue Apr 16 14:22:59 1996 From: christoj at PLK.AF.MIL (Julian Christou) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:22:59 -0600 Subject: Amon Duul II In Concert In-Reply-To: <199604131000.GAA12800@listserv.spc.edu> from "Automatic digest processor" at Apr 13, 96 05:00:00 am Message-ID: I was lucky enough to see them when I was in Munich last October. A great show - they can still belt it out real well. Definitely not one to be missed. Managed to have a chat to Renate and she said they were going to be touring the UK - and it looks lik it's happening and also the US (eventually) but she had no idea of dates except "next year" - i.e. this year but we'll have to wait and see ... Julian -- +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ | Dr. Julian Christou | Phone: 505-846-4712 x330 | | PL/LIG, Phillips Lab | FAX: 505-846-2213 | | 3550 Aberdeen SE +-----------------------------+ | Kirtland AFB, NM 87117-5776 | E-mail: christoj at plk.af.mil | +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ " You don't have to be ashamed of using your own ideas" Brian Eno - Oblique Strategies From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 16 15:19:50 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 15:19:50 -0400 Subject: BOC: Decouvertes a Paris Message-ID: > But if you can bring yourself to pull out a pencil, write to them. It's really well done- not quite as elaborate or as graphic-filled as Morning Final (then again, there is only one Melne!) but close... it's worth checking out Is it all in French? John From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Tue Apr 16 16:52:54 1996 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 15:52:54 -0500 Subject: OFF: insurance for CDs and/or tapes ? In-Reply-To: <9604150754.A15152@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: hey chuck i don't know about insurance but i have seen these huge gun safes at a local store- the super one that is fireproof runs about 1500 bucks and then ther are cheaper ones. they are about 6ft tall and 2&1/2 feet wide and deep. probably hold a ton of cds & lps. i don't know about you but i have my collection in a heavy plywood box that locks that i built. filled it is way too heavy to carry and you would really have to want want my cd's to get them. - i think a theif would nab the tv and vcr first. of course this doesn't cover any accidental damage or loss. but you might wanna look around you might be able to get a used vault or buy something on credit. - mike From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Apr 16 17:36:30 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 17:36:30 -0400 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? Message-ID: > >As you know, I've been quite harsh about most of Turner's recent output, but >I really quite like this one! It's a lot more "together" than _SR94_, it >seems a lot more comfortable with itself, and Simon House's presence adds >such *class* (especially on "High Rise"). It's a more interesting selection >of material, too, with stuff like "Lord of the Hornets" (instead of the 99th >version of "Master of the Universe"). And it doesn't try to be what it's >not. > >Also, Turner hands over the vocals on a couple of tracks so his voice doesn't >wear out, and being a single CD it doesn't overstay its welcome. About the >only black mark is for the Moorcock vocal, which is a bit cringe-making (but >still miles better than Genesis P-Orridge on _SR94_). > >And to think I only bought it for the cover... :) > I agree in the context of it being just the right length. I like the harder edge sound on most of SR94, but I think I would have edited this down to a single cd and thereby improve it. The Sonic Attack on SR94 is absolutely BORING. It is way too lomg and slow. And the Armour for Everyday bit is like listening to fingernails on a chalk board. Duane OBCD: Yngwie Malmsteen - Seventh Sign ( you gotta hear Pyramid of Cheops, it sounds like Metallica ) -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Apr 16 18:09:42 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 18:09:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Various incarnations Message-ID: Keith said >Pressurewind Nik's supporting musicians get the same idea, and sack Nik >from > his own band Wouldn't be the first time! :) - Andy From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 16 23:19:01 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 23:19:01 BST Subject: OFF: insurance for CDs and/or tapes ? In-Reply-To: Michael P Mccollum's message of Tue, 16 Apr 1996 15:52:54 -0500 Message-ID: AS one possible safeguard you could put them somewhere obviously in your house and photograph them all in situ and then use the photos as evidence for insurance purposes if (the gods forfend!) they even got nicked. Not quite sure how much weight that would carry but it might help. The only real concern would be who you got to develop the photos. This may be an Urban Legend by now but I did hear of someone who took photos of his more valuable possessions - took them to a big photo chain for processing - and a few weeks later had every single item stolen...... But believe me - if someone nicked my Hawkwind collection I'd make damn sure every 2nd hand record dealer within at least 100 miles of Edinburgh knew about it and I'd be sending leaflets to each and every record sale that was coming up in the next six months. I might never get them back but I'd make quite sure that he wouldn't be able to sell them in a hurry. Conceivably, of course, he'd then have to start playing them on his own equipment - if only to make some use of them - so it might be some small consolation if another Hawkfan convert was made 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Apr 16 18:51:54 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 16:51:54 -0600 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock CD In-Reply-To: <199604152137.RAA20179@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Apr 1996, Stephen Swann wrote: > ross.reyes writes: > > > > More kind words of praise please, o king of the boot > > lickers. Suck up a little more why don't you? > > Mr. Reyes: I hope you'll have the decency to unsubscribe yourself > after this. > > Steve > " Can't we all just get along? " Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Apr 16 18:53:53 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 16:53:53 -0600 Subject: BOC Tour Dates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Apr 1996, Jerry wrote: > >"ON Tour Forever!!!" > >6-04 Dallas, TX (With Styx & Kansas) "Hasbeen Fest'96" > > Now /that's/ a show I'd like to see. > 'Hasbeen' :-) > > Still whining in Holland, > Jerry > >From what E. Bloom says, there will be some more festival type shows with other classic rock bands from the 70's/early 8o's this summer. Stay tuned.... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Apr 16 20:27:30 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 11:27:30 +1100 Subject: HW: (from the film) Message-ID: Just got a letter from Brian Tawn with the latest HWFB. He asked Dave, and the '(from the film)' comment on _Levitation_ was made up ... but Dave can't remember why now ..... Paul/Soniqu=E9 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Apr 16 20:25:27 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 11:25:27 +1100 Subject: OFF: Radio Birdman Message-ID: A local radio station is going to be airing a special presentation of Radio Birdman sometime next month. It was recorded in a studio specially for the station, and includes many classics plus some new tracks. It may end up being a live CD by the end of the year, but in the meantime I intend to tape the program for any interested parties. If you want a copy ... mail me directly (except 'bart' and Andy G. .... I know you both want it!) Paul/Soniqu=E9 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU Tue Apr 16 20:30:09 1996 From: paul at PCMICRO.COM.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 11:30:09 +1100 Subject: HW: Next Hawkfan & WWW pages Message-ID: Brian Tawn has expressed an interest to include a section about 'Hawkwind on the Net' in the next Hawkfan (I assume he means HF26, as HF24 & HF25 are allready being printed) So, If you have a WWW site & want it included, send Brian a snail mail and tell him about it. He does not have Internet access, so be very careful to write the URL down neatly (he couldn't make out my handwriting ... but that's nothing new!) Paul/Soniqu=E9 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Ward, R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd ................................................................... Business Mail: paul at pcmicro.com.au Private Mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au World Wide Web: http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Apr 16 22:20:23 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 22:20:23 -0400 Subject: HW: (from the film) In-Reply-To: <199604162326.JAA04048@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Paul G Ward wrote: > Just got a letter from Brian Tawn with the latest HWFB. He asked > Dave, and the '(from the film)' comment on _Levitation_ was made up > ... but Dave can't remember why now ..... I think it's probably filed away as "seemed like a good idea at the time..." :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Nik Turner, _Past or Future?_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Apr 16 22:23:30 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 22:23:30 -0400 Subject: HW: Next Hawkfan & WWW pages In-Reply-To: <199604162329.JAA04056@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Paul G Ward wrote: > Brian Tawn has expressed an interest to include a section about > 'Hawkwind on the Net' in the next Hawkfan (I assume he means HF26, as > HF24 & HF25 are allready being printed) > > So, If you have a WWW site & want it included, send Brian a snail > mail and tell him about it. He does not have Internet access, so be > very careful to write the URL down neatly ...All the better for Doug Smith to track down all those naughty copyright violators... >:-) Cheers, Paul. obTrack: Hawkwind, "Paranoia" ;-) e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Apr 16 22:46:37 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 22:46:37 -0400 Subject: OFF: insurance for CDs and/or tapes ? In-Reply-To: <9604162319.aa22939@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Apr 16, 96 11:19:01 pm Message-ID: > > AS one possible safeguard you could put them somewhere obviously in your > house and photograph them all in situ and then use the photos as > evidence for insurance purposes if (the gods forfend!) they even got > nicked. Not quite sure how much weight that would carry but it might > help. The only real concern would be who you got to develop the photos. > Officer Friendly here to be of service!!! Video-tape 'em. My family and in-laws do this every year or so. You can give a verbal description along with the videoing of the article(s). As a point of reference, video either that days' newspaper or something on the telly that positively establishes the date. Store this video in a very safe place (we exchange tapes with my in-laws, so that there is no chance of the tape getting ripped off. Don't forget to write protect the tape, BTW!) Also, check with your insurance agent to see what is proof positive for them to compensate you for your loss. Whats' good at Allstate may be different at State Farm. > This may be an Urban Legend by now but I did hear of someone who took > photos of his more valuable possessions - took them to a big photo chain > for processing - and a few weeks later had every single item > stolen...... > Could be a scam, too... > But believe me - if someone nicked my Hawkwind collection I'd make damn > sure every 2nd hand record dealer within at least 100 miles of Edinburgh > knew about it and I'd be sending leaflets to each and every record sale > that was coming up in the next six months. I might never get them > back but I'd make quite sure that he wouldn't be able to sell them in > a hurry. Conceivably, of course, he'd then have to start playing them > on his own equipment - if only to make some use of them - so it might be > some small consolation if another Hawkfan convert was made 8-) > Let the b******d get 'em legally! Do we want another Hawkfan if the bum entered the ranks this way? I sure dont! ;-) This is good advice, however. There was a device offered for sale about ten years ago that either thru heat and/or pressure impressed a unique serial number into the area next to the spindle hole. The company also offered a registry to help in the recovery of stolen disks. I don't think that this company ever really offered the unit as I only saw a couple of ads and then no more. I was contemplating buying one. Other little hints at keeping your collection safe: Store your more valuable disks in a different location than the bulk of your music. if you get burgled, the odds are that thee more common material will get nicked, not your Nik-disc! (Sorry!) Use an alternative storage system. I filed a number of my CD's in a sleeve arrangement, which only hold the CD and the booklet. The back-card is stored elsewhere. As it stands, the package is not a "whole" CD and should be less palatable to thieves. This should also be less appealing to a buyer of a used CD. Mark the inside of the backcard with your name, an identifying mark, a note that unless the person selling the disc can prove positive that it is you that the CD is most likely stolen, whatever. If you want to keep the backcard pristine, make a little note (about the size of a fortune cookie message) with any of the above messages and place it between the tray and the j-card (aka the backcard; I just remembered the name!), tape it to the back of the tray, whichever you choose. Hard to do with the clear trays and Digi-Paks, however... (Drop your business card down the window on the driver' side of your car. If it is ever stolen, this can help identify it as yours. This also works on stereo and computer gear; however, _tape_ it to a hard-to-see-at- first-glance location inside the cabinet. Don't want to screw the mechanicals up!) Enter each and every CD into a database that you keep updated. Store the hard- copy and the backup copy (you _will_ make a backup, understand?!?) in a safe (preferrable off-site) location. Do this along with your video of the CD collection. > jill > > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Officer Fiendly, err, Friendly, signing off! (aka) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Apr 16 21:52:45 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:52:45 +1100 Subject: HW: Next Hawkfan & WWW pages Message-ID: On 16 Apr 96 Paul Mather wrote about Re: HW: Next Hawkfan & WWW pages: > > So, If you have a WWW site & want it included, send Brian a snail > > mail and tell him about it. He does not have Internet access, so be > > very careful to write the URL down neatly > > ...All the better for Doug Smith to track down all those naughty > copyright violators... >:-) The thought crossed my mind .... but you are assuming that DS reads Hawkfan ... which would possibly imply that he *cares* about the fans! ObIForgot: Apparently (according to Brian Tawn) the band decided not to include _LoL_ on the new live CD because they didn't like the quality of the recording! -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From stayer at PI.NET Wed Apr 17 02:57:42 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 23:57:42 PDT Subject: OFF: London 1st week of May Message-ID: To all Londoners (and close-to's) on the list, I'm off to London from May 1st to May 8th. Any gigs around that time I should know of and could not but attend? I have tickets for John Wetton (Astoria, Friday), but to see some other gigs would be great. Thanks, Jerry From Niko.Makila at CSC.FI Wed Apr 17 02:57:26 1996 From: Niko.Makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 09:57:26 +0300 Subject: OFF: insurance for CDs and/or tapes ? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 16 Apr 1996 22:46:37 EDT." <9604170246.AA22674@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> Message-ID: Craig's message dated: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 22:46:37 EDT > > Enter each and every CD into a database that you keep updated. Anyone here done this? What system do people use? The all-manual-way would of course be easiest, but it's not very convenient for other purposes: different searches, hooks for Codex, etc. So the choice should be computer-based. I personally would like an application which could be used on many different platforms. For example these days I use only Unix-systems both at home and work, but might use something completely different in a few years). The ideal solution (for me at least) would be to use Perl (maybe with some database) and have some nice ASCII output formats, including HTML. Err, sorry for that technical comment; I *am* a computer nerd. //niko From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Apr 17 07:22:50 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 07:22:50 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkeye #5 report Message-ID: The Captain reported: > - I.C.U. will have another release out in April. Possibly called > 'Now You Know the Score'? I asked Steve Pond about this to see if he could shed any light - this is what he told me: ---- That ICU release is (probably) the album Trevor (ex. ICU guitarist) made in Italy at Armano (aka Dino Ferrari)'s house.. no idea if it's any good, does it say what label it will come out on? ---- - Andy From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Apr 17 12:24:20 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:24:20 BST Subject: HW: They did what!?! In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:28:01 +0100 Message-ID: > But seriously, I have no problem with floaty ambient stuff. > But I simply don't think floaty ambient stuff is what HW is best > at. I quite like the combo of spacey synths and blangoid space-rock that > Hawkwind is _capable_ of producing these days. > But I demand chugging guitars and mind-pummeling bass. I demand > squalling Brock wah solos. I demand a band made primarily of live people > and not sequencers. From Hawkwind anyway. Live, I want both. There has to be a driving rhythm, from whatever instruments. It has to have variety (California Brainstorm and Space Ritual are both excellent at gradually changing riffs). There also has to be keyboard work or violin or sax or flute. If either of these is missing, HW bog down. The keyboard-only stuff lacks drive, and the guitar-only stuff is dull and uninspired (especially if they're playing Coded Languages and Ejection again and again and...). On disk, I like some of the keyboard-only stuff. (It's The Biz is good. But White Zone lacks variety, for me). The guitar-only stuff I don't like. So if cries of "Rock, Brock!" produce another California Brainstorm or Palace Springs, then I'm all for it. But if it produces another Undisclosed Files or Chronicles Of The Black Sword, then I'll be disappointed. On top of that, I like the way that HW adapt to musical innovation elsewhere. Having seen Gong play their seventies stuff so well, I would love to see a one-off Space Ritual reunion tour. But I would think it if HW were stuck doing the same old thing over and over (as they seemed to be in the 80s). Dave. From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Apr 17 11:00:47 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 10:00:47 EST Subject: HW: Hawkeye #5 report Message-ID: >> - I.C.U. will have another release out in April. Possibly called >> 'Now You Know the Score'? > >That ICU release is (probably) the album Trevor (ex. ICU guitarist) made >in Italy at Armano (aka Dino Ferrari)'s house.. no idea if it's any >good, does it say what label it will come out on? >- Andy The Hawkeye info does say that it is Trevor's album, but does not give any info. Later on in the issue in an unrelated section, it lists several new releases, and at that point actually gives the title 'Now You Know the Score'. This is why I was not clear about the title. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Wed Apr 17 06:46:55 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 06:46:55 EDT Subject: HW: Cheap Message-ID: --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 17/04/96 11.46 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET Hi all, Just returned from a trip to Birmingham to get the 5 re-issues. Got all 5 for 60 quid. Asked the shop owner if he'd like me to shout about this special deal he did me. He would! I didn't enquire about P&P. If you want address & phone number give me the nod. Jez Dacombe From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Wed Apr 17 10:07:07 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 10:07:07 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkeye #5 report Message-ID: > The Captain reported: > > > - I.C.U. will have another release out in April. Possibly called > > 'Now You Know the Score'? > > I asked Steve Pond about this to see if he could shed any light - this is > what he told me: > > ---- > That ICU release is (probably) the album Trevor (ex. ICU guitarist) made in > Italy at Armano (aka Dino Ferrari)'s house.. no idea if it's any good, does > it say what label it will come out on? > ---- > > - Andy > INteresting, knowing Dino Ferrari as the later guitarist for Here & Now, where does the name Armano come from ? and does Dino ahve any other ICU/HW links ? Cheers, Steve L. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 17 11:06:50 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 10:06:50 EST Subject: Dino-tours Message-ID: Manuel Says > From what E. Bloom says, there will be some more festival type shows > with other classic rock bands from the 70's/early 8o's this summer. > > Stay tuned.... > > Manuel > Maybe this is the way for the Oysters to go. A couple years ago I went to an outdoor show called 'Southern Spirit,' which featured rebel rock bands in relative decline: Outlaws, .38 Special, Marshall Tucker and a couple of others. They all absolutely kicked ass. It's unexplainable to me why all these great bands are now residing in Spinal Tap's "where are they now file" along with BOC, but for whatever reason, there they are. Anyway, this impresses me as an ideal forum for a band like BOC. There were lots of youong people at this show, but really, the fans spanned the entire spectrum of the rock audience. Also, it's a relatively high-profile show which should be great for the band's (I assume) slumping self esteem as well. Best of all, the show I saw was at a big outdoor grandstand, and I'd estimate at least 5000 showed up. A summer of shows like this, at which the BOC would likely slaughter all the other bands, esp. any dumb enough to want to play after them, might catch the eye of some label goomers. [I hope this sycophantic diatribe doesn't offend the redoubtable mr reyes too much!] theo From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Wed Apr 17 10:13:03 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:13:03 +0200 Subject: Hawkwind video questions Message-ID: Hello Frank Are you really sure that this is the anniversary video 1979-1989?? I have a video with the same name but with different racks OK, I'll try it. Here it goes: > Brainstorm (abrupt start into middle of song) somewhere in autumn 1981 > Silver Machine > Master of the Universe Both: Amsterdam 23.03.1982 > Intro to "Outer Limits" > Choose Your Masques > Solitary Mind Games > Waiting for Tomorrow All: Somewhere on Choose Your Masks tour Autumn 1982 > Dust of Time (abrupt start into middle of song) > Ghost Dance > Psychedelic Warlords > Utopia > Angels of Death > Motorway City > Silver machine > Brainstorm > (Nik draws a raffle ticket) > Ejection > Shot Down in the Night > Master of the Universe > (more raffle drawings with Nik) All: No idea Sorry but it seems that you've a different video Bernhard From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Apr 17 11:41:47 1996 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 11:41:47 -0400 Subject: HW: everything there is to know Message-ID: Strangeness and Charm, as in Quark Strangeness and Charm, were names given to sub atomic particles by the scientists who discovered them. regards, Bill Stewart From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Apr 17 11:52:51 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 11:52:51 -0400 Subject: Stoned Age Message-ID: I had the misfortune last night of watching this movie. I hated it. However there was a fair bit of BOC content including some live footage Martyn From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Apr 17 12:06:34 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:06:34 -0400 Subject: BOC: Dino-tours Message-ID: >should be great for the band's (I assume) slumping self esteem as >well. Best of all, the show I saw was at a big outdoor grandstand, >and I'd estimate at least 5000 showed up. A summer of shows like >this, at which the BOC would likely slaughter all the other bands, >esp. any dumb enough to want to play after them, now, now, gotta make sure the other bands stick around also... >might catch the eye >of some label goomers. Maybe as a group thing... trouble is, most interest from stuff like this would be for old stuff, something BOC has had no trouble getting out, as opposed to interest in new material... I actually thought that the film work they did on Bad Channels was the way to go, but for whatever reason there hasn't been any follow up projects like that. (hey, didn't Floyd revive a questionable status while doing film work?) As far as other group tour kinda things, the main thing that BOC has in common with other "hasbeens" from the 70's is that they're from the 70's. A few of the others potential groups had stuff marginally in the same s-f vein like Styx (though not as sinister), though I'd wish they could hook up with some of the other s-f bands like all the other "windcarnations" we see on the other half of the list. They'd fit in there better, I think. [I hope this sycophantic diatribe doesn't >offend the redoubtable mr reyes too much!] wasn't his name "ross eyes", which abreviated to "reyes"? or was that a hallucination? +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From stayer at PI.NET Wed Apr 17 10:28:20 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 07:28:20 PDT Subject: OFF: Neu! 2 Message-ID: Hail, Krautrocker! >Neu! 2 >And yet there is "Neuschnee 78", "Super 16" and "Super 78". The >"78"s play at hyper-speed and my phonograph does not have a 78 >setting. "Super 16" is extremely slow. This is all on the >regular 33 speed. On regular speed, a track to be played at 78 RPM, would sound very slow. On normal speed, a track to be played at 16 RPM, would sound very fast. >>From what I can gather from the German liner >notes (though it's a British release), these are single >versions of these songs. If you're having troubles translating, let us see the credits. >And then there's "Cassetto" and "Hallo >Excentrico" that also play at wrong speeds, but are not >labelled such. I'm really disappointed, as this sounds like a >good album otherwise. Sick humour? Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Wed Apr 17 10:36:16 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 07:36:16 PDT Subject: OFF: insurance for CDs and/or tapes ? Message-ID: > My question is, does anyone here (particularly USA) have any > experience with insuring music collections? Strange stories... It's just one of the things you do. I got a house of my own, the first thing I did was insuring the lot I stuffed into it, including records, CDs and (live) tapes. Same insurance as for furniture. If part of it gets stolen or burnt or blown away by a hurricane (extremely rare here in Holland) (part of the furniture of all of my CDs - all the same), insurance pays. I know there are special insurances for special collections, but that's not necessary (for me). Don't know anyone who has that. Well, this is the case for Holland. Dunno about other countries. > Captain Cloud Jerry From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Apr 17 12:51:04 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:51:04 -0400 Subject: OFF: insurance for CDs and/or tapes ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Jerry wrote: > > My question is, does anyone here (particularly USA) have any > > experience with insuring music collections? > > Strange stories... It's just one of the things you do. I got a house of my > own, the first thing I did was insuring the lot I stuffed into it, including > records, CDs and (live) tapes. Same insurance as for furniture. If part of it > gets stolen or burnt or blown away by a hurricane (extremely rare here in > Holland) (part of the furniture of all of my CDs - all the same), insurance > pays. > I know there are special insurances for special collections, but that's not > necessary (for me). Don't know anyone who has that. > Well, this is the case for Holland. Dunno about other countries. In Britain, and I suspect the same is true for the USA (and most everywhere), it pays to check your policy carefully to see what is and what is not covered. The home contents policy I had in Britain specifically did *not* cover music collections (and I never saw a policy that did as standard). The big problem I had in thinking about insuring my collection was the fact that the stuff I was really interested in protecting was rare and, usually, out of print. So if it was damaged/stolen, the chances of my replacing it were virtually nil anyway. I'm sure the money would have provided some solace, but not much. Who can put a price on an obscure release that took you ages to track down by happy circumstance and no longer exists? I think the wiser approach is that advocated by Craig Shipley et al who suggest making the stuff harder to steal in the first place (e.g. buying a couple of Milli Vanilli cut-outs to put on top to throw them off the trail, and peg you as a hopeless no-taste record owner that nobody would touch with a barge pole;). Cheers, Paul. obCD: Albert King, _Live_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 17 14:04:02 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:04:02 EST Subject: Stoned Age Message-ID: > I had the misfortune last night of watching this movie. > I hated it. However there was a fair bit of BOC content including > some live footage > > Martyn I'm not familiar with it. Some kind of paen to 60s/70s rock? 'Commentary' piece memoaning the burning-out of today's youth? What's the format? Which BOC numbers did they perform? Any interviews with BOC? theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 17 14:09:48 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:09:48 EST Subject: BOC: Dino-tours Message-ID: Andrew commenting on my post: > >might catch the eye > >of some label goomers. > > Maybe as a group thing... trouble is, most interest from stuff like this > would be for old stuff, something BOC has had no trouble getting out, > as opposed to interest in new material... > All too true. What's the world record for recycling old tunes? > I actually thought that the film work they did on Bad Channels was the > way to go, but for whatever reason there hasn't been any follow up > projects like that. (hey, didn't Floyd revive a questionable status > while doing film work?) > BOC does seem ideally suited, both lyrically and instrumentally for such projects. 'Course with Al (and I assume Pearlman?) gone, the source for good s/f lyrics is running on empty. > As far as other group tour kinda things, the main thing that BOC has in > common with other "hasbeens" from the 70's is that they're from the > 70's. A few of the others potential groups had stuff marginally in the same > s-f vein like Styx (though not as sinister), though I'd wish they could hook up > with some of the other s-f bands like all the other "windcarnations" we see > on the other half of the list. They'd fit in there better, I think. > Yeah, the only other bands compatible with BOC are an even worse draw than BOC! And in even worse shape... > [I hope this sycophantic diatribe doesn't > >offend the redoubtable mr reyes too much!] > > wasn't his name "ross eyes", which abreviated to "reyes"? > or was that a hallucination? > I dunno, I was ripped when I read it! >theo > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 17 14:14:33 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:14:33 EST Subject: OFF: insurance for CDs and/or tapes ? Message-ID: > In Britain, and I suspect the same is true for the USA (and most > everywhere), it pays to check your policy carefully to see what is and > what is not covered. The home contents policy I had in Britain > specifically did *not* cover music collections (and I never saw a policy > that did as standard). > Correct. You need a specific rider on the policy, which will bump up the cost of the premiums, I'm afraid. > The big problem I had in thinking about insuring my collection was the > fact that the stuff I was really interested in protecting was rare and, > usually, out of print. So if it was damaged/stolen, the chances of my > replacing it were virtually nil anyway. I'm sure the money would have > provided some solace, but not much. Who can put a price on an obscure > release that took you ages to track down by happy circumstance and no All the more reason to have it appraised by an 'expert.' At least you'll get what the stuff's really worth, and should you ever be able to locate it, you'll have the funds to move on it. > longer exists? I think the wiser approach is that advocated by Craig > Shipley et al who suggest making the stuff harder to steal in the first > place (e.g. buying a couple of Milli Vanilli cut-outs to put on top to > throw them off the trail, and peg you as a hopeless no-taste record owner > that nobody would touch with a barge pole;). > > Cheers, > > Paul. True, but that can't help you against fire, flood, revolution (in which case the insurance wouldn't be much help anyway)! > obCD: Albert King, _Live_ > > e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. Paul, Which Albert king is this? I'm a big fan of his and got quite a bit of stuff. Feel free to contact me off line about this great artist: tojackso at hawk.syr.edu theo From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Apr 17 13:38:37 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:38:37 -0500 Subject: OFF: insurance for CDs and/or tapes ? In-Reply-To: "Ted O. Jackson" "Re: OFF: insurance for CDs and/or tapes ?" (Apr 17, 1:14pm) Message-ID: > > In Britain, and I suspect the same is true for the USA (and most > > everywhere), it pays to check your policy carefully to see what is and > > what is not covered. The home contents policy I had in Britain > > specifically did *not* cover music collections (and I never saw a policy > > that did as standard). > > > Correct. You need a specific rider on the policy, which will bump up > the cost of the premiums, I'm afraid. My policy with State Farm specifically covers my music collection as part of my normal homeowner policy. I have a replacement-cost policy, so they will pay me for what the collection is currently worth, not what I paid for it. When I got my policy, my insurance agent went over with me how much I had in records, CDs, etc., and my estimate of their current value. I keep a list of all these things on my computer at home, with a backup copy at work. This, of course, doesn't mean we'll see eye to eye on the replacement cost if something should happen, but I explained the rarity of part of my collection to my agent when I got the policy. I don't remember the exact numbers, but we estimated the replacement cost of the albums at about US$10 each, and the CDs at about US$15 each. As an average over my whole collection, these are probably pretty accurate. YMMV. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Monage a trois - I am three years old. From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Apr 17 13:42:15 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:42:15 -0400 Subject: Stoned Age Message-ID: >> I had the misfortune last night of watching this movie. >> I hated it. However there was a fair bit of BOC content including >> some live footage >> >> Martyn > >I'm not familiar with it. Some kind of paen to 60s/70s rock? >'Commentary' piece memoaning the burning-out of today's youth? >What's the format? Which BOC numbers did they perform? Any >interviews with BOC? I thought you would've been familiar with it. There's a write-up on it in the FAQ. The only songs in the movie are DFTR (repeatedly, including live footage of them playing it), and Burnin' For You (briefly). Of somewhat more interest are the numerous BOC stuff (the car, jacket, 8-track AOF, T- Shirts, etc.) and Buck and Eric at the end of the movie... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 17 13:43:09 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:43:09 -0400 Subject: Stoned Age Message-ID: Martyn sez: > I had the misfortune last night of watching this movie. > I hated it. However there was a fair bit of BOC content including > some live footage It's a pretty stupid movie, but even stupid movies can be amusing. Had it not been for all the BOC references, I probably would've hated it as well. But, I'll bet it ain't too bad after a few beers . . . ;-) Theo queries: >I'm not familiar with it. Some kind of paen to 60s/70s rock? 'Commentary' piece memoaning the burning-out of today's youth? What's the format? Which BOC numbers did they perform? Any interviews with BOC? Check the FAQ for a fairly detailed account, and a listing of most of the BOC references. "Ah, fuckin' Tack, man!" (a common quote in the movie) John From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Apr 17 13:46:36 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:46:36 -0400 Subject: BOC: Dino-tours Message-ID: >BOC does seem ideally suited, both lyrically and instrumentally for >such projects. 'Course with Al (and I assume Pearlman?) gone, the >source for good s/f lyrics is running on empty. Well, I'm glad to see that Richard Meltzer did some lyrics for tBS, anyways. To read his coloumns in ATF it sounds like he's totally burned out on rock in general, and spends most of his time listening to classical and opera... John Shirley did the Bad Channels lyrics, didn't he? Eric worked will with Moorcock in the past, perhaps they could try to get hooked up with some other authors... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Apr 17 13:47:32 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 12:47:32 -0500 Subject: OFF: insurance for CDs and/or tapes ? In-Reply-To: Niko Makila "Re: OFF: insurance for CDs and/or tapes ?" (Apr 17, 9:57am) Message-ID: > > Enter each and every CD into a database that you keep updated. > > Anyone here done this? What system do people use? > > The all-manual-way would of course be easiest, but it's not very > convenient for other purposes: different searches, hooks for Codex, > etc. > > So the choice should be computer-based. I personally would like an > application which could be used on many different platforms. For > example these days I use only Unix-systems both at home and work, > but might use something completely different in a few years). The > ideal solution (for me at least) would be to use Perl (maybe with > some database) and have some nice ASCII output formats, including > HTML. Err, sorry for that technical comment; I *am* a computer > nerd. That is exactly how I keep track of my collections. I use flat files in the style of bibtex (keywords at the beginning of lines, blank lines separate records). I then munge these files with Perl scripts to print reports in whatever format I want. The advantages are that it is portable to both Unix and PC systems, I don't need any special or proprietary database formats, and standard text-processing tools such as "wc" and "grep" can be used to answer certain simple queries. On the negative side, tools such as "grep" can't be used to answer more complex queries such as "What album contains the song 'We Care a Lot'?". It isn't hard to write tiny Perl scripts to do these types of things, though. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Basil: I'm afraid most of the people we get in here wouldn't know a Bordeaux from a claret. Guest: A Bordeaux IS a claret. From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 17 13:05:06 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 18:05:06 +0100 Subject: HW: Hawkeye #5 report In-Reply-To: <199604171407.KAA13788@dogberry> Message-ID: In message <199604171407.KAA13788 at dogberry>, Stephen Lindsey writes >INteresting, knowing Dino Ferrari as the later guitarist for Here & Now, >where does the name Armano come from ? and does Dino ahve any other >ICU/HW links ? > >Cheers, >Steve L. That's a different Dino Ferrari. Here & Now's Dino is now in a band called NERVOUS with Cardiacs' Bill Drake. -- Jon Browne From stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM Wed Apr 17 14:03:33 1996 From: stephen at SPATIAL.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 14:03:33 -0400 Subject: HW: Dino Ferrari Message-ID: > > That's a different Dino Ferrari. Here & Now's Dino is now in a band > called NERVOUS with Cardiacs' Bill Drake. > -- > Jon Browne > Oh didn't know that (NERVOUS). Are they any good ? Sound Here & Now'ish at all ? Cheers, Steve L. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Apr 17 14:15:08 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 14:15:08 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Review of *Trepanation* Message-ID: The April issue of "The Nebula" (a NY-area music 'zine, now also covering news in the Boston and NJ areas; I picked up a free copy at my local Newbury Comics) has a review of *Trepanation* in it. For those who might be interested, I'll re-print it here: artist: THE BRAIN SURGEONS label: Cellsum Records songs: Gimme Nothin', Stones in my Passway, Medusa, A Kiss is a Promise, Sally, My Civilization, Happy New Year, Sisters of the Precious Blood, Ramblin' Rose, Hansel & Gretel, Everything is Blue, If U Come Close, Bad Habit, Night of the 1,000 Guitars personnel: Albert Bouchard, Deborah Frost, Peter Bohovesky, Billy Hilfinger (JS note: that should be "Hilfiger"), David Hirschberg If some of the names on the personnel list seem familiar, it probably isn't your imagination. Albert Bouchard is the former drummer of Blue Oyster Cult, and music journalist Deborah Frost has penned work for Rolling Stone and The Village Voice, among other publications. Now married, Bouchard and Frost form the foundation of this heavy-rock quintet and "Trepanation" is the follow-up to their debut disc, "Eponymous" (Cellsum). With their credits, you would expect - if nothing else - a professional-sounding release, which for the most part, this is. At its best, "Trepanation" effectively mixes old and new. The power and mystique of '70s metal and acid rock is enhanced through modern production techniques that give much of the material a certain goth-rock and alternative edge. Instrumentally, there are glimpses of some '70s giants - a little Zepplin here, a little Aerosmith there - but at other times I was reminded of Siouxsie and the Banshees, Concrete Blonde, and Killing Joke. Most of the latter examples are due to Frost's truly unique voice and unbelievable range. She moves from metal goddess to no-nonsense blues/rocker to flat-out punk wailer. her vocals propel otherwise average tunes to new heights. The gothic vocal undertones of "Medusa" and "Gimme Nothin'" are strong examples of her vocal abilities. She knows when to lay back and do the Johnette Napolitano thing, and when to let loose with a sound like the evil vocal spawn of Patti Smith and Geddy Lee. What I don't quite under- stand Bouchard singing lead vocals on several tunes when the band already has such a strong lead vocalist. His voice is adequate, buit it just doesn't measure up to Frost's, and the intensity of the disc dropped a notch for me on those tunes. On the other hand, Bouchard's no-nonsense, old-school style of rock drumming is a treat. He doesn't try to fill in every hole of sound with a fancy inflection, but relies on the tried and true driving eighth note drum style many of us grew up with. However, I was confused by the drumming on the droning, "Everything is Blue", which seemed tentative and almost sloppy, completely inconsistent with the rest of the disc. Oh well, no matter. There is enough strong material and interesting variation on the hard rock theme to overlook a few mishaps, and as long as Frost is singing, I'm listening. CONTACT - Cellsum Records, PO Box 1070, Fort George Station, New York, NY 10040-9998 (Rich Lupescu) My reaction: Well, the guy was apparently quite impressed with Deb, but not Albert. My guess is that the guy likes a certain type of vocal style and doesn't appreciate Albert's vocals the way many BOC fans do. I think its hard to compare the two since Albert and Deb have rather different styles, but I think that Albert's vocals work well for the songs he does - in particular "My Civilization". By the way, who is John Napolitano? The other comment that I didn't quite understand is the reviewers impression that Albert's drumming was "tentative and almost sloppy" -- I didn't get that impression at all, and wondered if the reviewer confused the off-beat snaredrum hits in the song with tentativeness --> those off-beats are intentional, but it seems to me that the reviewer was just confused by them. But then again, "Everything is Blue" isn't one of my favorite tracks - I mean I think it's good, but I just prefer the heavier stuff. John Swartz From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Apr 17 14:22:06 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:22:06 -0500 Subject: HW: US Covers: update Message-ID: Hi all, I ordered $385 worth of XL2S tapes (for 50 sets, figuring some people would want them who didn't ask; any leftovers I'll just keep and use [and pay for myself ;-)]). They should arrive on Friday or Monday at the latest. I'll go into production then. Hence, if you want to start sending $ now, that'd be great. The cost was $11.60 for the sets (which includes $1.50 to cover contributors), and if you want to send a little more that's fine but please don't send more than $15 or I might make a profit ;-(. I'll probably do the sets in batches, based on who's addresses I have first. So, if you haven't sent it to me yet, do so (list in next message). Later, Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Apr 17 14:24:25 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:24:25 -0500 Subject: HW: Covers: US sets request list: addresses needed still Message-ID: Here's the list of those who do and don't have addresses to me. If your address appears, please check it (but only let me know if its wrong). Allan. ------------ > >Just how many list members want a set? From: William Stone From: "C.E. Anderson" From: cjohnson From: Vanderpump & Welbelove From: Paul Ward From: HERBERT119 at delphi.com (Chuck) From: donnell at epx.cis.umn.edu (brian) From: Hawkwind00 at aol.com (ray) From: Doug Bates Doug Bates 1624 Lakewood Dr. Birmingham, AL 35216 From: Paul Mather From: Martyn White From: Richard Crump From: RJPXR5 at aol.com From: P Mitchell From: Rudich, Robert A From: Martyn Lawrence From: Michael P Mccollum From: ALANSEIBERT at delphi.com From: The Great Quail 315 2nd st. W. Fairview PA 17025 From: Stephen Swann From: John Majka From: Stephen Lindsey From: John McCartney J. McCartney 1000 Kiely Blvd. #112 Santa Clara CA 95051-4826 From: Chris Baxley Chris Baxley 4785 Fox Hollow Rd. Eugene OR 97405 From: Christopher.Stier at smtpgate.lexis-nexis.com Chris Stier c/o LEXIS-NEXIS 353 Sacramento Street #800 San Francisco, CA 94111 p.s. in case you can't get ahold of me at this e-mail address, I'm also over at chstier at aol.com. (People here have been having trouble getting mail through) Thanks. From: Randy Randy Abeck 1N256 Richard AVE. Wheaton IL. 60188 From: Brand Karl Hiller 400 W. Second St. #1 Bloomington, IN 47403 From: JEFFRIEDLE at aol.com Jeff Riedle P.O.BOX 2726 Santa Cruz, CA 95063-2726 From: Jerry Guizar Jerry Guizar, Jr. P.O. Box 204 Montrose , PA 18801 jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From: "David B. Kuznick" David Kuznick 38 Lyme St. Apt. 308 Malden, MA 02148 From: Frank Weil Frank Weil 501 W. George St. Arlington Heights, IL 60005-1706 USA From: Keith A Henderson Keith Henderson Byrd Polar Research Center 108 Scott Hall 1090 Carmack Rd. Columbus, OH 43210 From: Gary Wingert Gary Wingert 50 Karl Avenue San Anselmo, CA 94960-1716 From: MCINTYRE at pa.msu.edu John McIntyre 309 N Fairview Ave Lansing MI 48912-3109 From: Duane Hoyt Duane Hoyt 324 Thelma Dr. Sheffield Lake, Ohio, 44054 From: Jon Browne ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Apr 17 15:32:14 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 14:32:14 EST Subject: BRAIN: Review of *Trepanation* Message-ID: Johnette Napolitano (sp?) is the singer for Concrete Blonde. You may remember them from their radio song "Ghost of a Texas Ladies Man" (or something like that). Captain Cloud From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Apr 17 14:40:40 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:40:40 -0500 Subject: HW: US Covers: update In-Reply-To: Allan T Grohe Jr "HW: US Covers: update" (Apr 17, 1:22pm) Message-ID: Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: > Hence, if you want to start sending $ now, that'd be great. The cost was > $11.60 for the sets (which includes $1.50 to cover contributors), and if you > want to send a little more that's fine but please don't send more than > $15 or I might make a profit ;-(. And where, pray tell, should we send the checks? I'm guessing the post office won't like iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu as the address. :-) Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 I used to work in a fire hydrant factory. You couldn't park anywhere near the place. -- Steven Wright From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Apr 17 15:15:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 15:15:00 EDT Subject: Other: DarXtar and the Winds Message-ID: Got a newsletter, the last, from these guys yesterday (even had a real stamp, \\joe). Henceforth, 2 list stalwarts, Paul Ward and Henrick Hallgren will be their official outlets via their respective web sites. Of list interest is that they plan to release a 55 minute video of the NikXtar gig. Also "Sju" is being rereleased with better packaging (their words). Keith, the list of the winds was a riot. There has to be a way to use Upwind and Downwind for some drug addled incarnation. Or Honkwind for an all sax band of Nik style players. Rudy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Apr 17 15:27:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 15:27:00 EDT Subject: BRAIN: Review of *Trepanation* Message-ID: > Most of the latter examples are due to Frost's truly unique voice and unbelievable >range. She moves from metal goddess to no-nonsense blues/rocker to flat-out >punk wailer. her vocals propel otherwise average tunes to new heights. I alluded to much the same after seeing them last December. Comparing the CD to the gig, I'd say that live is where Deb can really strut her stuff. Plus there is an interplay with Al that is far less noticeable on record, but really great live. Nobody growls like Al. Not even Deb's friend Robert (with the prompters). >as long as Frost is singing, I'm listening. If you get the chance, LIVE is the way to listen to them at their best. Rudy From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Apr 17 15:52:02 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 14:52:02 -0500 Subject: HW: US Covers: update In-Reply-To: <9604171340.ZM23583@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Frank Weil wrote: > Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: > > Hence, if you want to start sending $ now, that'd be great. The cost was > > $11.60 for the sets (which includes $1.50 to cover contributors), and if you > > want to send a little more that's fine but please don't send more than > > $15 or I might make a profit ;-(. > > And where, pray tell, should we send the checks? I'm guessing the > post office won't like iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu as the address. :-) Ooops ;-) I'm at: Allan Grohe 2327 Murphy Dr. #10 Lawrence KS 66046-3959 USA Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Apr 17 15:56:06 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 14:56:06 -0500 Subject: HW: US Covers: addendum again Message-ID: It seems that I also forgot, in addition to my address, the increased costs of mail to Canada (thanks Stephen). So, if you're in Canada, and have ordered a set, please send $15 to cover increased costs of postage to the Great White North. Thanks, Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Apr 17 16:09:59 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 15:09:59 -0500 Subject: HW: The ***winds In-Reply-To: <3174B7CE@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: I would have said "Hedwind" for Pressurehed post-Nik, but people would have gotten confused between that and Lemmy's "Headwind". Oh well. Damon Capehart | "Snot is running down his nose!" dcapehar at utdallas.edu | - Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Apr 17 16:24:08 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:24:08 -0400 Subject: HW: album count Message-ID: I just picked up Psychadelic Warlords (Best of), and in the liner notes, Brian Tawn notes that the number of Hawkwind albums out at the time of his writing (including compilations, etc.) is about 80. (I presume he was not sure because he couldn't be sure if some would come out between his writing and it seeing print). What I want to know is, what are we up to? Has it passed 100, and if so, which album was it? If not, I think we should have some kind of award for whatever publisher puts out the 100th Hawkwind album.... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Apr 17 16:30:41 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:30:41 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Review of *Trepanation* In-Reply-To: <3174BA66@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Apr 17, 96 03:27:00 pm Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > > > Most of the latter examples are due to Frost's truly unique voice and > unbelievable >range. She moves from metal goddess to no-nonsense > blues/rocker to flat-out >punk wailer. her vocals propel otherwise average > tunes to new heights. > > I alluded to much the same after seeing them last December. Comparing the > CD to the gig, I'd say that live is where Deb can really strut her stuff. > Plus there is an interplay with Al that is far less noticeable on record, > but really great live. Repeat that louder for the people in the balcony seats, please. My only complaint re: both albums is that Deb's vocal performances on record get re-worked until they're perfect. Perfectly overdone, that is. In concert, where she only gets one chance, she always does it right the first time. Her natural singing voice (which she uses in concert, where she only gets one chance to do it) sounds much better than any crooning affectations you hear when she tries for that "perfect take". Fortunately, the albums seem to be heading in the direction of sounding more "live". > >as long as Frost is singing, I'm listening. > > If you get the chance, LIVE is the way to listen to them at their best. Hear hear! I dunno how Al and Deb judge these things, but I'd say that 3 studio albums is about the right number before a live one, eh? ;-) I mean, they already have enough good concert material that every show has to leave a lot of great tunes out for lack of time... And to top it off, I personally think that it's about high time to drop the BOC tunes that they finish every show with. They're pushing out Brain Surgeons tunes that I'd rather hear than *another* "Red and the Black". Steve veteran of 1000 tBS concerts (ok, so it's more like 6) :-) From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Apr 17 16:34:56 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:34:56 -0400 Subject: HW: US Covers: update In-Reply-To: from "Allan T Grohe Jr" at Apr 17, 96 02:52:02 pm Message-ID: Allan T Grohe Jr writes: > > > Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: > > > Hence, if you want to start sending $ now, that'd be great. The cost was > > > $11.60 for the sets (which includes $1.50 to cover contributors), and if you > > > want to send a little more that's fine but please don't send more than > > > $15 or I might make a profit ;-(. > > > > And where, pray tell, should we send the checks? I'm guessing the > > post office won't like iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu as the address. :-) > > Ooops ;-) > > I'm at: > > Allan Grohe > 2327 Murphy Dr. #10 > Lawrence KS 66046-3959 > USA I'm not sure if you expected people to "reserve" copies in advance (I got the impression that you just planned for "lots" of late requests) :-) I'd like a set, too. Steve From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Apr 17 16:58:34 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:58:34 -0400 Subject: HW: US Covers: update In-Reply-To: from "Allan T Grohe Jr" at Apr 17, 96 02:52:02 pm Message-ID: Oops! Looks like I get this months ZERO CONTENT prize for sending personal mail to the list. I mean, I hate to take an award that traditionally goes to Stu or Chip, but what can I say? ;-) Steve From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Apr 17 17:24:37 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:24:37 -0500 Subject: HW: US Covers: update In-Reply-To: <199604172034.QAA21611@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Stephen Swann wrote: > > > And where, pray tell, should we send the checks? I'm guessing the > > > post office won't like iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu as the address. :-) > > > > Allan Grohe > > 2327 Murphy Dr. #10 > > Lawrence KS 66046-3959 > > USA > > I'm not sure if you expected people to "reserve" copies in advance (I > got the impression that you just planned for "lots" of late requests) > :-) I'd like a set, too. I had 46 standing orders for sets, including a few late orders, me, and contributors. I ordered enough tapes for 50 sets, figuring on some additional late comers. (Steve, you had already asked for a set). That's the print run: I'm sure someone among those getting sets could mercifully copy their set for anyone who doesn't get one. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Apr 17 17:42:37 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:42:37 -0500 Subject: HW: US Covers: Grrr. Another Mistake spotted. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Allan T Grohe Jr wrote: Geez. I'm just full of errors this week... I said tape costs were: > and from Terrapin Tapes: > > Maxell XL2S (chrome) $7.70 > Maxell XL2 60 $6.10 Then made the mistake of substituting the XL2 cost for the XL2S cost in the final figures: > tapes $6.10 > postage/packing $4.00 (that me, by USPS 1st class) > covering contributors $1.50 (cost is for 7 sets: I forgot that > Dave would be doing some of these) > ----- > $11.60 So the total should be: tapes $7.70 postage/pack $4.00 cover contribs. $1.50 ----- $13.20 Sorry for any mixups. If you already put the check in the mail for $11.60, then please drop another check for the difference. My address, again, is: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. 232y Murphy Dr. #10 Lawrence KS 66046-3959 USA Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 17 18:54:16 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 23:54:16 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: Review of *Trepanation* In-Reply-To: <199604172030.QAA21521@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Apr 17, 96 04:30:41 pm Message-ID: > And to top it off, I personally think that it's about high time to > drop the BOC tunes that they finish every show with. They're pushing > out Brain Surgeons tunes that I'd rather hear than *another* "Red and > the Black". I've obviously missed the beginning of this thread--it will undoubtedly show up in my mailbox in a month (as seems to happen randomly with boc-l posts on occasion). I'd concur, though I expect the BOC material is still a good hook for people going to the shows who are less familiar with tBS than the fans on this list perforce are. I too, could live without "TR&TB" as often, though there are some BOC songs that are still definately worth tBS outing too--I'd love to hear some versions of the Imaginos material, which are very strong songs that are getting foolishly ignored by BOC. And frankly tBS can trot out their rendition of "Baby Ice Dog" as heard on _Carreer of Christmas_ whenever they like. That was great, and utterly knocks the original down. But "TR&TB", fine song though it is, won't touch my well-known favorite ;) "Time Is Gonna Take Care of You" (or whatever the official title is). Plus, 3OC plays it a lot and I'd be much happier hearing tBS cover "lost" BOC material (like "Death Valley Nights" etc., as well as unreleased tracks). I await the new album for a riff-pounder that will displace "Time" as my gut-level favorite :) Complete with patented Frost Howls O' Chaos: ("Tiiiiiiiiiiiiiimmmmme is gona take care of Yooooooooouuuuuuuuuu! [snarl snarl] :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Apr 17 18:58:19 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:58:19 -0600 Subject: Dino-tours In-Reply-To: <69068263720@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: Theo; Yes, it's great to see BOC playing those big festival-type shows. It's my opinion, for whatever it's worth, that bands we grew up with are still the best to see live. Many of those bands are still on the touring circut today, in one form or another. For example, BOC, Kansas, Pat Travers, Nazareth, Uriah Heep, Rainbow, Sabbath, The Outlaws, Molly Hatchet, 38 Special, Foghat, Bad Company, Frank Marino, and Cheap Trick, Foreigner, Jethro Tull, Robin Trower, April Wine, Styx and UFO/Schenker are just to name a few that can still rock. And how often do we hear this remark, " Oh, BOC ?!?! Are they STILL together?? " Many fans from the forementioned bands have " grown up " and listen to Kenny G instead. Such a shame! These bands need our support, especially now since we are well into our various careers in life. Yet we never forget rock and roll!!!!! Anyways, I got way off, didn't I? Yes, BOC is great to see in a fest- ival type setting. But I really think that the intimate setting of a club is the best place to see BOC or anybody for that matter. God bless.... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Apr 17 19:00:35 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 17:00:35 -0600 Subject: Stoned Age In-Reply-To: <9604171552.AA26557@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, Martyn White wrote: > I had the misfortune last night of watching this movie. > I hated it. However there was a fair bit of BOC content including > some live footage > > Martyn > Did you catech the cameo by Eric & Buck at the end? Pretty cool!! Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Wed Apr 17 14:36:01 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 14:36:01 EDT Subject: BRAIN: Review of *Trepanation* Message-ID: > who is John Napolitano? Johnette is/was the singer for Concrete Blonde. If you like BOC stuff I think you might like CB too. The material is at least interesting along the lines of the old BOC stuff. JN has an incredible voice. RR From mmeese at HOME.STLNET.COM Wed Apr 17 19:26:25 1996 From: mmeese at HOME.STLNET.COM (Mike Miesner) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 18:26:25 -0500 Subject: Dino-tours Message-ID: At 04:58 PM 4/17/96 -0600, you wrote: >Theo; > > Yes, it's great to see BOC playing those big festival-type shows. >It's my opinion, for whatever it's worth, that bands we grew up with >are still the best to see live. Many of those bands are still on the >touring circut today, in one form or another. For example, BOC, Kansas, >Pat Travers, Nazareth, Uriah Heep, Rainbow, Sabbath, The Outlaws, Molly >Hatchet, 38 Special, Foghat, Bad Company, Frank Marino, and Cheap Trick, >Foreigner, Jethro Tull, Robin Trower, April Wine, Styx and UFO/Schenker >are just to name a few that can still rock. And how often do we hear >this remark, " Oh, BOC ?!?! Are they STILL together?? " Many fans from >the forementioned bands have " grown up " and listen to Kenny G instead. >Such a shame! These bands need our support, especially now since we are >well into our various careers in life. Yet we never forget rock and >roll!!!!! > > Anyways, I got way off, didn't I? Yes, BOC is great to see in a fest- >ival type setting. But I really think that the intimate setting of a >club is the best place to see BOC or anybody for that matter. > >God bless.... > >Manuel > > I understand that UFO broke up (again) a couple of months ago meese > > From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Apr 17 20:28:50 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 19:28:50 EST Subject: HW: I Talk to Planets, baby Message-ID: Just a small mention, but in the May 1996 issue of 'Multimedia World' magazine there is a brief review of Monster Magnet's "I Talk to Planets" CD-ROM. The first sentence is: "Monster Magnet's I TALK TO PLANETS plays with space themes (must be the __Hawkwind__ influence), offering videos, interviews, and a cute Asteroids-esque game." Pretty good opener, huh? There are one or two more sentences, as well as a slightly longer review of Soundgarden's SUPERUNKNOWN CD-ROM, but I think the reviewer has already pegged the most descriptive phrase. :-) (I saw a copy of ITTP at Best Buy for $16.99 it was, I think.) Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Wed Apr 17 19:54:08 1996 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 16:54:08 -0700 Subject: HW: I Talk to Planets, baby In-Reply-To: <9604171928.A15288@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Apr 17, 96 07:28:50 pm Message-ID: > Just a small mention, but in the May 1996 issue of 'Multimedia > World' magazine there is a brief review of Monster Magnet's "I Talk > to Planets" CD-ROM. The first sentence is: > "Monster Magnet's I TALK TO PLANETS plays with space themes (must > be the __Hawkwind__ influence), offering videos, interviews, and a > cute Asteroids-esque game." > > (I saw a copy of ITTP at Best Buy for $16.99 it was, I think.) I picked it up a few months ago. It's okay. I haven't actually had a chance to use it with sound, since my MDI 4x drives (Toshiba OEM) at home (nor at work for that matter) will recognize it. I've played some with it on my Sony 4x drive at work, where I don't have a sound card and it's really spacey and trippy. If you have older CD-ROM drives, definitely don't get it, since they won't recognize the CD Plus format. Most newer ones should work okay. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome "Experience is something you don't get until after you need it." -Olivier From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Apr 17 22:06:09 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 21:06:09 -0500 Subject: OFF: Neu! 2 Message-ID: On 15-APR-1996 12:13:15.8 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >>From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM >>already bought it (Neu! 2). I've bought a lot of records, but >>this is a first. The first side plays just fine, no troubles. >>Side 2 is another story. Now this is a regular 33 1/3 record. >>And yet there is "Neuschnee 78", "Super 16" and "Super 78". The >>"78"s play at hyper-speed and my phonograph does not have a 78 >>setting. "Super 16" is extremely slow. This is all on the >>regular 33 speed. From what I can gather from the German liner >>notes (though it's a British release), these are single >>versions of these songs. But why put them on a 33 record?? I'm >>totally confused. And then there's "Cassetto" and "Hallo >>Excentrico" that also play at wrong speeds, but are not >>labelled such. I'm really disappointed, as this sounds like a >>good album otherwise. >It is my understanding that Neu ran out of either time or budget after >completing the first side of the album. So they filled out the second >side by playing songs from the first side back at different speeds; >i.e.; "Neuschnee 78" does not mean it is meant to be played at 78 rpm, >rather it is "Neuschnee" (from the first side) played back at 78 rpm. >If you did play it at 78 rpm it might well sound like the song on the >first side. (I haven't tried it and there may well be some other >factors involved.) >Fortunately, they only resorted to this gimmick on _Neu 2_. >John McIntyre I see. Okay, I feel much less confused now; thanks to you, Andy and Wylie. Except that the songs played at reg. speeds are on side two, also, with the sped up/slowed down versions. I think maybe they should have just released an EP/mini-album. Weird. Chuck `[1;33;42mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From epresley at IU.NET Wed Apr 17 21:50:35 1996 From: epresley at IU.NET (Eddie W. Presley Jr.) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 21:50:35 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Review of *Trepanation* Message-ID: John Schwartz writes: >By the way, who is John Napolitano? I believe that would be Johnette Napolitano (ex) of Concrete Blonde. Truly a fabulous performer. Of the new wave of female vocalists/writers, I'd have to say that Johnette with Amiee Man not to far behind are the real unnoticed great new female vocalists. Is this new Brain Surgeons lp available to the masses or only through mail order? I can't find any one who knows anything about their lps let alone who they are. And while I'm here, thanks to Capt. Cloud for indoctrinating this newbie into the world that is Hawkwind. eddie From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Apr 17 23:53:25 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:53:25 -0500 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? Message-ID: On 16-APR-1996 10:56:09.9 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >As you know, I've been quite harsh about most of Turner's recent >output, but I really quite like this one! It's a lot more "together" >than _SR94_, it seems a lot more comfortable with itself, and Simon >House's presence adds such *class* (especially on "High Rise"). It's >a more interesting selection of material, too, with stuff like "Lord >of the Hornets" (instead of the 99th version of "Master of the >Universe"). And it doesn't try to be what it's not. >Also, Turner hands over the vocals on a couple of tracks so his voice >doesn't >wear out, and being a single CD it doesn't overstay its welcome. >About the only black mark is for the Moorcock vocal, which is a bit >cringe-making (but still miles better than Genesis P-Orridge on _SR94_). >And to think I only bought it for the cover... :) >- Andy I love this, though it took a long time to sink in... I still don't have SR'94, but I do have Prohpets Of Time, which I like a great deal, but this I think is much better. Even the bits I was unsure of at first (such as "Warrior", "High Rise" and "Silver M") sound much better now. Though I don't think the vocals of (Grenas?) the singer for High and Audio are much better than Niks'. Favorites: Dream Worker, Opa-Loka 2000, Soul Herder, 10 Seconds, Ejection, Do That, Hornets. Chuck `[1;33;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Apr 17 23:53:35 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:53:35 -0500 Subject: HW: Covers: US sets request list: addresses needed still Message-ID: On 17-APR-1996 14:35:29.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Here's the list of those who do and don't have addresses to me. If your >address appears, please check it (but only let me know if its wrong). >Allan. >------------ >> >Just how many list members want a set? >From: William Stone >From: "C.E. Anderson" >From: cjohnson >From: Vanderpump & Welbelove >From: Paul Ward >From: HERBERT119 at delphi.com (Chuck) I'm sure I already gave you my addy twice, Allan, but here it is again... :) 119 Nanette St. Redlands, Ca. 92373 Thanks, Chuck `[1;31;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Apr 18 05:12:41 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 05:12:41 -0400 Subject: BOC: French fan club Message-ID: Just got a list of info from Jean-Luc at the "Church of the Cult" in Toulouse... he's offering lots of stuff, including all 9 back issues of *Blue Pearl* for 150ff, and subscription to 5 more for 100ff (approx 7.50ff=1 pound UK, 5ff=$1US), plus a selection of videos, live tapes, and the "biblioboc", which is a collection of over 100 press clippings (in various languages). Looks like I'll have to fork out for another IMO (roll on the single currency)... Oh, and he did appreciate me writing in French (but I expect he reads English too). The June 1996 issue (#10) will be a Brain Surgeons special ("interview exclusive d'Alby et Deborah"). I'm also looking forward to the item in issue #6 entitled "Cataclassiclysme"... Address once again: CARRIER Jean-Luc 134, Rue de Periole 31500 TOULOUSE France [first "e" in "Periole" has an acute accent, you know, the one that slopes up] - Andy From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 18 04:58:45 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 09:58:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Covers: US sets request list: addresses needed still In-Reply-To: <01I3NYA8ZMFI9AP4PH@delphi.com> Message-ID: In message <01I3NYA8ZMFI9AP4PH at delphi.com>, HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes >On 17-APR-1996 14:35:29.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 > >Here's the list of those who do and don't have addresses to me. If your > >address appears, please check it (but only let me know if its wrong). > >Allan. > >------------ > >> >Just how many list members want a set? Is it *too* late to request a set? ......please?? ;) -- Jon Browne From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 18 05:28:17 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:28:17 +0100 Subject: HW: US Covers: Grrr. Another Mistake spotted. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In message , Allan T Grohe Jr writes > >My address, again, is: > >Allan T. Grohe, Jr. >232y Murphy Dr. #10 >Lawrence KS 66046-3959 >USA > >Allan. How much extra will you need to post to the UK? -- Jon Browne From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Apr 18 12:03:34 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:03:34 BST Subject: HW: US Covers: Grrr. Another Mistake spotted. In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:28:17 +0100 Message-ID: > How much extra will you need to post to the UK? I'm doing copies for the UK. E-mail me your address and send me a cheque for seven pounds. My address is: 48 Lodgefield, Welwyn Garden City, Herts, AL7 1SD Dave. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Apr 18 07:59:33 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 07:59:33 -0400 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? In-Reply-To: <01I3NYA0RUA09AP4PH@delphi.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 1996 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > I love this, though it took a long time to sink in... I still don't have > SR'94, but I do have Prohpets Of Time, which I like a great deal, but this I > think is much better. Even the bits I was unsure of at first (such as > "Warrior", "High Rise" and "Silver M") sound much better now. Though I don't > think the vocals of (Grenas?) the singer for High and Audio are much better > than Niks'. I got this CD recently and it became an instant fave---much more so than _SR '94_ (which I also liked). It's great to see a setlist consisting of less "standard" yet obviously classic material (the sequence of _Warrior..._ tracks, for example). The Anubian Lights material is not out of place, either. It fits in rather nicely. > Favorites: Dream Worker, Opa-Loka 2000, Soul Herder, 10 Seconds, Ejection, > Do That, Hornets. For me, the Soul Herder->Opa-Loka 2000 segued tracks are the high point of the album (but then "Soul Herder" is probably my favourite track from _The Eternal Sky_:). "Highrise" is right up there, too, but the vocal delivery lacks the attack of Calvert's. Simon House's violin makes up for that, though. This one is a keeper, folks. Trivia: Another neato thing about this release is the front cover of the CD case/cover. The cover illustration flips between two images depending upon which angle you look at it. It's the first time I'd ever seen this done. I can see what Andy Gilham meant, now, when he said he bought it because of the cover. :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Nik Turner, _Past or Future?_ obWarning: Mike Moorcock's hystrionics on "Warriors on the Edge of Time" :-) e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 18 08:21:07 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 13:21:07 +0100 Subject: Eric on Imaginos Message-ID: This just off an interview (by Ram Samudrala, ram at mbisgi.umd.edu posted on a.m.boc: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Interviewer: A related question: will there ever a reworking of Imaginos (which is one of my favourite BOC albums, BTW) with the complete package being released? EB: That could only happen with Pearlman's input, as he would be the godfather of such an idea. The public didn't buy Imaginos, which is a shame, and I'm afraid the record company didn't really promote it's existence too well. It's an interesting album that deserved more listening than it got. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gods! Eric Bloom saying something complementary about _Imaginos_? Surely this is one of the Signs of the Apocalypse? ;) Of course in the same interview he more or less dismisses the relevance of either Al or Joe, as one might expect. ;) Keep promoting this new band Eric! No one else is! ;) Maybe you'll get a record contract ... Eric also says complementary things about Crate guitar amps? I recall these sucking horribly--have they changed or is he in space? He says they are using Crate's Blue Voodoo amps ... Eric also says something vague about recording soon, "summer into fall". I suppose anything is possible! (Here's hoping!). Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 18 11:07:48 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:07:48 EST Subject: Eric on Imaginos Message-ID: > Eric also says complementary things about Crate guitar amps? I > recall these sucking horribly--have they changed or is he in space? > He says they are using Crate's Blue Voodoo amps ... > Eric also says something vague about recording soon, "summer into > fall". I suppose anything is possible! (Here's hoping!). > > Cheers, > Carl > Carl, The recent Crate amps are pretty cool, esp. the tube models, which includes the Blue Voodoo models. Marty Friedman of Megadeth is endorsing them right now. Actually, if you can stomach a transistor amp [I can't] their recent tranny amps are as good as that format can be. I've contemplated getting a Blue Voodoo myself, but I'm amp-rich at the moment and don't really need one for anything. It's a 3- channel setup, supposedly with tons of gain, and they're a good, make that excellent, value. I suspect you're thinking of the old ones that looked like they were made from scrap two by fours? They were pieces of shit--I know 'cause I jam with a dude who's got one. theo From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Apr 18 10:39:50 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:39:50 -0400 Subject: Stoned Age Message-ID: >Did you catech the cameo by Eric & Buck at the end? Pretty cool!! > >Manuel No. I caught the cameo by Franky Avalon. Did the Buck and Eric Cameo come after this? Martyn From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 18 10:37:50 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 15:37:50 +0100 Subject: Eric on Imaginos In-Reply-To: <6A86CCF1247@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Apr 18, 96 10:07:48 am Message-ID: > > Eric also says complementary things about Crate guitar amps? I > > recall these sucking horribly--have they changed or is he in space? > > He says they are using Crate's Blue Voodoo amps ... > > The recent Crate amps are pretty cool, esp. the tube models, which > includes the Blue Voodoo models. Marty Friedman of Megadeth is > endorsing them right now. Actually, if you can stomach a transistor > amp [I can't] their recent tranny amps are as good as that format can > be. I've contemplated getting a Blue Voodoo myself, but I'm amp-rich > at the moment and don't really need one for anything. It's a 3- > channel setup, supposedly with tons of gain, and they're a good, make > that excellent, value. I suspect you're thinking of the old ones > that looked like they were made from scrap two by fours? They were > pieces of shit--I know 'cause I jam with a dude who's got one. Yes, I guess that must be it. I was never rich enough to afford better than a Marshall 8080--one of those evil valve/transistor hybrids ;) but I certainly appreciate the value of a three channel set-up. I found two channels a bit limiting ... But I'll stop before I drift any farther off topic ... :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Apr 18 10:59:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 10:59:00 EDT Subject: BRAIN: Live Release Time Message-ID: >I dunno how Al and Deb judge these things, but I'd say that 3 studio >albums is about the right number before a live one, eh? ;-) I mean, >they already have enough good concert material that every show has >to leave a lot of great tunes out for lack of time... Steve, I couldn't agree with you more. I caught them live before I really gave the CDs a good listen (did play CoC tape several times before the show). There were some aspects lost listening to the discs, but I couldn't fully define them. You may have helped point out a good one. Considering the hue and cry for them to get out to different areas that they don't now reach, this could be a good way to partially satisfy that desire (and leave them wanting more at the same time). Even a couple live songs on tape like CoC as a special might be a kewl offer. >And to top it off, I personally think that it's about high time to >drop the BOC tunes that they finish every show with. They're pushing >out Brain Surgeons tunes that I'd rather hear than *another* "Red and >the Black". I have to agree with this too, as far as the standard BOC tunes (not the never performed ones). Things like "Stones in my Passway" would be a great swap with TR&TB. I'd also like to see Billy And Peter cut loose a little more. However, the BS version of "Career of Evil" beats the original hands down. So every rule has its exceptions. Is the contemplated late Spring tour just being delayed until the Summer now? Rudy Only 1 surgical notch in my brain, but I want MORE. From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 18 11:12:32 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 11:12:32 -0400 Subject: Stoned Age Message-ID: >>Did you catech the cameo by Eric & Buck at the end? Pretty cool!! >> >>Manuel > > No. I caught the cameo by Franky Avalon. Did the Buck >and Eric Cameo come after this? yep. after the closing credits. the bootleg t-shirt salesmen. "four bucks" +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Apr 18 11:41:43 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 11:41:43 -0400 Subject: Stoned Age Message-ID: >> No. I caught the cameo by Franky Avalon. Did the Buck >>and Eric Cameo come after this? > >yep. after the closing credits. the bootleg t-shirt salesmen. >"four bucks" Darn, I flipped channels when the credits started to roll oh well Martyn From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Apr 18 11:48:49 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 11:48:49 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Review of *Trepanation* In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Apr 17, 96 11:54:16 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > And to top it off, I personally think that it's about high time to > > drop the BOC tunes that they finish every show with. They're pushing > > out Brain Surgeons tunes that I'd rather hear than *another* "Red and > > the Black". > > I've obviously missed the beginning of this thread--it will > undoubtedly show up in my mailbox in a month (as seems to happen randomly > with boc-l posts on occasion). Oh, I dunno. I ranged pretty far afield in that post, it really didn't have any lead-in. :-) > I'd concur, though I expect the BOC material is still a good hook > for people going to the shows who are less familiar with tBS than the fans > on this list perforce are. Well, if you haven't hooked them by the final song of the set, you're not going to get them by playing a tune that maybe they heard on the radio once, ten years ago. This is a young crowd - they don't know Blue Oyster Cult from a hole in the ground. They *might*, if they haven't had too much to drink by then, recognise "Cities On Flame". Frankly, I think tBS would be better off closing with "Date With My Guitar". I'd suggest "Time Will" but I think Deb's vocal chords might be a little too shredded by the end of the set for that kind of finish. "Monster" makes far too good an opener to move it from that spot, and "Medusa" makes too good a dramatic high point in the middle of the show to steal it from there. > I too, could live without "TR&TB" as often, though there are some > BOC songs that are still definately worth tBS outing too--I'd love to hear > some versions of the Imaginos material, which are very strong songs that > are getting foolishly ignored by BOC. [...] I'm not sure what you mean by it being foolishly ignored by BOC. Isn't that like saying that Hawkwind are foolishly ignoring the material on _Bomber_ and _Ace of Spades_? > But "TR&TB", fine song though it is, won't touch my well-known > favorite ;) "Time Is Gonna Take Care of You" (or whatever the official > title is). Plus, 3OC plays it a lot and I'd be much happier hearing > tBS cover "lost" BOC material (like "Death Valley Nights" etc., as well > as unreleased tracks). I have to say, I've heard the re-worked "Death Valley Nights", and I'm afraid that it's in the same category as the reworked "Astronomy". Personally I don't think either of those songs was really crying out to be "rocked up". However, there are tons of old BOC songs that I would love to hear. I think a tBS "Dominance and Submission" would be a riot. I'd love to hear them do "Celestial the Queen". "Fireworks". "Wings Wetted Down". "7 Screaming Diz-Busters". "Quicklime Girl". The most holy (i.e. original) "Astronomy". :-) You know what? I just realised what tBS need. A piano/keys player. > I await the new album for a riff-pounder that will displace > "Time" as my gut-level favorite :) Complete with patented Frost > Howls O' Chaos: ("Tiiiiiiiiiiiiiimmmmme is gona take care of > Yooooooooouuuuuuuuuu! [snarl snarl] :) Heard that one live yet? The clubs lose money every time tBS play it, because it loosens the floorboards, and peels the paint off the walls. Steve From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Apr 18 12:00:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:00:00 EDT Subject: BOC: Eric on WotT and other things (long) Message-ID: Here is some real grist for the mills. The interview follows the short review. It has some very interesting questions, many of which have been brought up here.. ___________________________ Blue Oyster Cult - Workshop of the Telescopes While Deep Purple and Black Sabbath were reigning as the frontrunners of the British proto-metal scene, there was one American band that was merging the melodic intensity of Purple and the heavy riffs of Sabbath across the Atlantic. That band is Blue Oyster Cult. When Deep Purple and Black Sabbath were disintegrating both as a group (due to lineup changes) and status wise (due to the rise of punk), the same band's beautifully terrifying Don't Fear the Reaper was becoming a cult classic and the Oyster boys were at their peak. It's 1996, and Blue Oyster Cult are still swimming in the seas of Rock and Metal. They have been a profound influence on many bands today and there's a new compilation out, containing some of their best recordings. Workshop of the Telescopes contains 32 digitally remastered tracks that enables Blue Oyster Cult to lay claim to being one of the pioneering proto-metal bands. Radio favourites such as (Don't Fear) The Reaper, Godzilla, and Burnin' Up are all here, along with some all time greats like Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll, The Red and the Black, and the title track. This is an interesting collection in that when you listen to it, it becomes more clear who Blue Oyster were influenced by and who they influenced. This is evident not only from their aggressive cover of Steppenwolf's Born to be Wild, but also from the doomy Sabbath-type riffs in Cities on Flame and the punkish feel present in Kick out the Jams and Dominance and Submission. Conversely, This Ain't the Summer of Love brings to mind Midnight Oil, Veteran of the Psychic Wars reminds me of a cross between Styx and Queen (not just for the drum beat), and Mike Watt (formerly of fIREHOSE) has made it clear on record that Blue Oyster Cult have had an impact on his music. Veteran of the Psychic Wars was also featured in the cult (no pun intended) movie Heavy Metal, which, incidentally at time of writing, has been released in a "louder and nastier" version. It looks like the same thing has been happening with Blye Oyster Cult, and I can't wait for their next studio release! The album contains three previously unreleased tracks, and is definitely worth getting if you want to have a complete Blue Oyster Cult collection of music, or as a starter if you want to hear more of their music. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Interview with Eric Bloom of Blue Oyster Cult I asked Eric Bloom a bunch of questions about Blue Oyster Cult, their current label situation, the current state of music, and future plans. Here they are, along with his responses. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I just got hold of Worskshop of the Telescopes, and my first question is: why another compilation album? Because Sony (CBS) wanted to put it out. We are no longer signed there. I imagine they did it for economic reasons, cause they own the stuff, including the artwork. It is selling well, and I think it's a decent representation of the material. Why not release a studio or live album? Easier said than done. This has become a bit of a soap-opera for us, I'm afraid. We were signed to Atlantic a couple of years ago. One of the factors for signing us was the Reaper being in Stephen King's "The Stand" on TV. They were promised a new (acoustic) version of the Reaper that would appear in the movie that they could use in our new album. Stephen King agreed, but the Director said no. So, Atlantic reneged on our already signed contract, finding a clause somewhere to invoke. We are involved right now in negotiations with a European label, and hope to have some new material for sale before the summer of '97. What was the track selection process? We didn't have much to do with it, but thought the selection was fair. Some people might think certain songs should have been on it and others think something else, but I think the most obvious tunes are there. An interactive CD-ROM or live video in support of Workshop would be really cool. Are there any plans for that? No current plans to do interactive CD-ROMS. Although there is a game out now, RIPPER, with The Reaper used in the soundtrack. Given your experiences with Sony, what do you feel about the whole art vs. business issues in music? There's not enough space [here] to discuss artist vs. company. There have been several books written about it and most major artists find huge [amounts of] dollars hidden by the companies when they have an audit. It's the nature of the business. In general, CBS was straight with us, when we had fans working inside the company. We were there so long, 3-4 different Presidents of the company came and went... The PR stuff I got didn't mention the current lineup. What is the current lineup (I know you, Buck Dharma, and Alan Lanier form the core group)? Currently, the band lineup is Buck, me, Allen, Danny Miranda on bass, and John O'Reilly on drums. We are very happy with the current band. I think it's the best the band has ever been. For more info on other opinions, you ought to check out the BOC BB at AOL. I can provide you with some fans' email addresses who come to a lot of shows. The fan club has never been more active, with more people joining. Is there a chance that you'll ever reunite with the Bouchards? Unlikely there will ever be a reunion. There's no reason for it. A related question: will there ever a reworking of Imaginos (which is one of my favourite BOC albums, BTW) with the complete package being released? That could only happen with Pearlman's input, as he would be the godfather of such an idea. The public didn't buy Imaginos, which is a shame, and I'm afraid the record company didn't really promote it's existence too well. It's an interesting album that deserved more listening than it got. I saw you play with Chuck Burgi and I thought he fit in very well. Why didn't that work out? Chuck got an offer he couldn't refuse from Blackmore. Don't know what he's up to right now. There will be a sequel to Heavy Metal, the movie. Do you plan to do any of the music for it? If they ask us, we would love to do some more music for it. Listen to the soundtrack of "Bad Channels". I've heard statements that the album Fire of Unknown Origins was recorded in order to be used as the Soundtrack, and that didn't work out later (for some reason). Is this true? What you heard about Fire of Unknown Origin is not true. In the middle of recording it, we were asked to write a song for Heavy Metal. I think Albert got the movie script and wrote tunes especially for Heavy Metal. When the movie people didn't buy them, and chose Veteran instead, we used the song he wrote for Heavy Metal on our album. What was the music scene like when you guys started out? Were bands like Black Sabbath and Deep Purple looked upon as competitors, or were they influences, or both? I would say, vis-a-vis, our influences... Black Sabbath was certainly the prototype for all Metal that came later, as is Deep Purple. Gotta include Ted Nugent and MC5, too. We sorta took a different path, especially lyric-wise. What music do you currently listen to? I personally listen to all kinds of stuff. Biohazard, Prong, Machinehead, Deftones, love the White Zombie album of last year, Rage Against the Machine, Pantera, etc. I like very little of what is called Alternative, except maybe Stone Temple Pilots. I guess that bands like Deep Purple and Black Sabbath are also struggling in this "alternative" world; do you think heavy metal music will ever rise in popularity? I don't know. I know that the Rainbow album Blackmore put out for Europe and Japan did well there, but [he's] having trouble getting it out over here. There's a strong underground metal scene, which focuses on death/thrash metal. Do you like any of that at all? I like some of the "Underground" metal bands; the music , that is. The current trend of harmonized unintelligible vocals is a mystery to me though. I like Life of Agony cause you can hear what he's saying---good band. What gear are you using these days? Does Buck still play the Steinberger? Buck still plays Steinberger, yes. I play ESPs. Great guitars. They have custom-made me a terrific ESP Custom with the artwork from 'Cult Classic' on it. We (BOC) recently began using Ampeg (bass) and Crate (for guitars and keyboards). Ampeg just sounds great, and the Crate amps we are using crank! They have really done their homework and we are very happy with the Crate Blue Voodoo amps and cabinets. John uses TAMA drums. Stephen King has said that he likes your music a lot. Do you like his writing? If so, what's your favourite book by him? Buck reads all his stuff. I am more into fantasy and sci-fi, than horror. I also like techno-thrillers. Looking for a good read? Try 'Hyperion' or the William Gibson books. In general, what's a day being in BOC like? Typical day on the road, is travel. A lot of it. Flying, driving, hotels, motels. I take a laptop with me and spend time online in the rooms. Playing a long show and next day doing much the same. We play a lot. That's why we have the saying OTF---On Tour Forever. I designed a T-shirt that Onliners can get: BOC OnTour/Online, and we can be reached through the fanclub at bocfanclub at aol.com. I post all tour dates and band news at the BOC BB in the music message center there [AOL]. I know of a couple of BOC websites that friends of the band have created, which can be found using a browser, and at least one newsgroup, alt.music.blueoystercult. And what do you do outside of BOC? Online a lot at AOL. Too much, probably. :) I am very involved in Gemstone III, a text-based role-playing game at AOL. I do monthly BOC online live chats at AOL the 2nd Tuesday of every month, in the 'Nightclub' at 10pm Eastern. What can we expect in the future from BOC? We are very up about recording soon, and we should be in the studio this summer into the Fall, playing a few shows on weekends. We have a lot of good new material, some of which we play live now. Most of our shows are selling out and we all have a good time. That's what it's all about. :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Amen! I definitely recommend seeing them if they come to a town near you---they put on a tremendous live show, and it's one of the few opportunities where you can listen to new material by them. From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 18 12:06:02 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:06:02 -0400 Subject: crossover alert! Message-ID: On the "Psychadelic Warlords (the Best of)" CD I just picked up, on the inside cover of the booklet, Dave Brock is pictured clearly wearing a Blue Oyster Cult T-shirt. (was this common?).. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Apr 18 13:07:31 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 13:07:31 -0400 Subject: BOC: Eric on WotT and other things (long) In-Reply-To: <3175DB9A@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Apr 18, 96 12:00:00 pm Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > > Here is some real grist for the mills. The interview follows the short > review. It has some very interesting questions, many of which have been > brought up here.. Wow, who conducted that interview? He sure knows how to step on people's toes (in an utterly naive, guileless way), doesn't he? ;-) Think we could get him to interview Doug Smith? Steve From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Thu Apr 18 13:19:28 1996 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 12:19:28 -0500 Subject: Eric on Imaginos Message-ID: > Eric also says complementary things about Crate guitar amps? I > recall these sucking horribly--have they changed or is he in space? > He says they are using Crate's Blue Voodoo amps ... When I saw BOC a few months ago, it looked like Buck was using a Hafler solid-state power amp (?!). I've only seen these used to power montitors in recording studios. This might have accounted for his rather brittle guitar tone... Someone get that boy a Marshall (or a Hiwatt, or even a Matchless, if he can afford one...) tubularly yours, Chris From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 18 13:49:42 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 13:49:42 -0400 Subject: BOC: Eric on WotT and other things (long) Message-ID: > (Don't Fear) The Reaper, Godzilla, and Burnin' Up are all here, along Apparently BFY wasn't too memorable, eh? > album. Stephen King agreed, but the Director said no. So, Atlantic Yeah, like who was calling the shots? > No current plans to do interactive CD-ROMS. Although there is a game > out now, RIPPER, with The Reaper used in the soundtrack. Well, I guess we can stop searching the game for signs of some other song. If you want to get this game for BOC, don't bother. Get the free demo CD, it has both the prologue (which includes the entirety of the game's BOC content) and the trailer, which has more of the song than the game (on 6 CD's) does. > Is there a chance that you'll ever reunite with the Bouchards? > > Unlikely there will ever be a reunion. There's no reason for it. WELL.... we need to get this interviewer on BOC-L... > What music do you currently listen to? > > I personally listen to all kinds of stuff. Biohazard, Prong, > Machinehead, Deftones, love the White Zombie album of last year, Rage > Against the Machine, Pantera, etc. I like very little of what is > called Alternative, except maybe Stone Temple Pilots. I can't fault him here.... sounds like the stuff his son listens to... > Buck reads all his stuff. I am more into fantasy and sci-fi, than > horror. I also like techno-thrillers. Looking for a good read? Try > 'Hyperion' or the William Gibson books. My opinion of him goes up somewhat. 'Hyperion' is on my short list as one of the greatest s-f books of all time. (on some 'net polling site I came across that maintains weekly vote tracks of ratings of books, it placed like #5 or #6.... Minor note to the other half-- Zelazny's "Lord of Light" (also on my list) was #10... Now... if only he could do a song about Hyperion, ("Worldweb", "The Shrike", "The Ousters", "The Time Tombs", "The Dying Earth"... any of these could be great song titles....), maybe we'd have somnething. > We are very up about recording soon, and we should be in the studio > this summer into the Fall, playing a few shows on weekends. We have a > lot of good new material, some of which we play live now. Most of our > shows are selling out and we all have a good time. That's what it's > all about. :) Good show. Don't know whether I belive the contract stuff, but otherwise I get a good feeling from this interview... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 18 14:50:49 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 13:50:49 EST Subject: Eric on Imaginos Message-ID: > > Eric also says complementary things about Crate guitar amps? I > > recall these sucking horribly--have they changed or is he in space? > > He says they are using Crate's Blue Voodoo amps ... > > When I saw BOC a few months ago, it looked like Buck was using a Hafler > solid-state power amp (?!). I've only seen these used to power montitors > in recording studios. This might have accounted for his rather brittle > guitar tone... Someone get that boy a Marshall (or a Hiwatt, or even a > Matchless, > if he can afford one...) > > tubularly yours, > Chris I've seen Buck use Marshalls while Eric went through Hiwatts (way back in the early days) while more recently, I saw buck going through ENGLs and Mesas. Death to trannys theo From bedens at INTELLINET.COM Thu Apr 18 14:01:22 1996 From: bedens at INTELLINET.COM (Jif) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:01:22 -0400 Subject: Greg Smith (was Re: BOC: Eric on...) Message-ID: > I saw you play with Chuck Burgi and I thought he fit in very well. Why > didn't that work out? > Chuck got an offer he couldn't refuse from Blackmore. Don't know what > he's up to right now. Speaking of Chuck Burgi, I thought I'd mention that Greg Smith is currently planning to tour with Alice Cooper when he (Alice) and the Scorpions hit the road for a double headlining tour... Watch for it in a city near you... :) Best of luck to Chuck and Greg... Later... Bert +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bert Edens - bedens at intellinet.com | | http://www.intellinet.com/~bedens/home.html | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | "You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice. | | If you choose not to decide, you still haven't made a choice. | | You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill; | | I will choose a path that's clear - I will choose Free Will." | | - Rush, "Free Will" | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Thu Apr 18 15:11:53 1996 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:11:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: Dino-tours Message-ID: > Well, I'm glad to see that Richard Meltzer did some lyrics for tBS, anyways. Speaking of Meltzer, he was in a band in the late '70s w/ (I think) Metal Mike and Greg Turner of the Angry Samoans called VOM (short for Very Old Men). They had a 7" E.P. of lo-fi demented punk rock w/ hilarious ultra-lewd lyrics. If anyone knows where to find a copy of this, I would pay a lot for one (well, it's worth a try :) "I'm in love for the first time I'm in love with your Mom" Chris From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 18 16:38:54 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:38:54 -0400 Subject: Greg Smith (was Re: BOC: Eric on...) Message-ID: >| "You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice. | >| If you choose not to decide, you still haven't made a choice. | Uh, that's "you still have made a choice". It makes much more sense that way. >| You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill; | >| I will choose a path that's clear - I will choose Free Will." | >| - Rush, "Free Will" | Good song, tho... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Thu Apr 18 18:08:55 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:08:55 -0400 Subject: Reaper Lyrics Message-ID: Buck posted this to an AOL folder today. R. Guess I gotta jump in here, 'Reaper' is specifically about two concepts: 1) A powerful enough romantic LOVE can transcend physical death and endure in the hereafter. 2) Death is inevitable whenever it happens to us, and we should know that and face it without fearing it, having some confidence in the universality of the human spirit, but having no proof until we actually die. I wrote this tune at a time in my life when I was thinking about dying early (in my twenties.) So I'm thinkin', (First Verse) 'I'm dead', now what? So I sing this song to my Love (kiss for Sandy here) sayin' 'looks like it's all over for us, but I'm on the other side now, and that's not the only way it can be'. Turns out that if the love is strong enough, spiritual things are possible that wouldn't make it to CNN or the Congressional Record. There _is_ a way to be reunited on another plane of consciousness. (We can be like they are) could be my fave line in the tune. Implies that there are entities that are doin' stuff WAY different than you and me here on earth, Rusty. (Second Verse) the one that's caused all the trouble all these years: Valentine as metaphor for mortal love/stuff, done now. Romeo and Juliet I used as an _example_ of a couple who had the faith to take their love elsewhere when (in their case) they weren't permitted the freedom to love here and now. What I meant was, THEY'RE in eternity, 'cause they had the Faith to believe in the possibility. It frankly never occured to me that the suicide aspect of their story would be plugged in (like images in a rock video?) to people's take on 'Reaper' making it an advert for suicide. The forty thousand number was pulled from the air as a guess about how many people died every day world wide, not how many people committed suicide. (Third Verse) The idea here is that a critical mass of emotional and mental intensity is necessary to create this event. What if the remaining partner just can't stand being alone? What if by dint of sheer will lovers can reunite again after death? In my vision, the 'permission' of the event has to come from the 'other' side, the afterlife. The event transpires when there is enought faith and belief to make it happen. Not really so different than any other afterlife belief system. It never bothered me that 'Reaper' was embraced as a horror icon ('Halloween' and 'The Stand') or allegedly enjoyed by Gary Gilmor ('Executioner's Song'). It WOULD bother me to know 'Reaper' gave someone an excuse to commit suicide. I never have come anywhere close to REALLY wanting to commit suicide. I'm gonna live until I die. On the other hand when I go, I don't want 'Amazing Grace' as the musical centerpiece at my funeral. I want 'Don't Fear The Reaper'. Buck Dharma From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Apr 18 18:30:51 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:30:51 -0600 Subject: Dino-tours In-Reply-To: <199604172326.SAA19527@home.stlnet.com> Message-ID: Yes, UFO broke up again. It is now rumored that John Norum will join Phil Moog for yet another run at the name of UFO. Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Apr 18 18:34:21 1996 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:34:21 -0600 Subject: Stoned Age In-Reply-To: <9604181439.AA29989@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Apr 1996, Martyn White wrote: > >Did you catech the cameo by Eric & Buck at the end? Pretty cool!! > > > >Manuel > > No. I caught the cameo by Franky Avalon. Did the Buck > and Eric Cameo come after this? > > Martyn > Yes, the cameo by Buck & Eric is at the very end of the video. I almost didn't get that far, since the movie was really ca-ca (shit). Instead of enduring this film, fast-forward to the very end of the tape. Really funny stuff. God bless.... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From RHamel4129 at AOL.COM Thu Apr 18 20:47:08 1996 From: RHamel4129 at AOL.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 20:47:08 -0400 Subject: Eric on Imaginos Message-ID: Any chance of reproducing that interview here? Rich From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Apr 18 21:43:35 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 21:43:35 -0400 Subject: HW: US Covers: Grrr. Another Mistake spotted. In-Reply-To: from "Allan T Grohe Jr" at Apr 17, 96 04:42:37 pm Message-ID: Allan T Grohe Jr writes: > > Geez. I'm just full of errors this week... Yes, you are. :-) Is that 232 Murphy, or is the "y" a missed 6 or 7 key? > My address, again, is: > > Allan T. Grohe, Jr. > 232y Murphy Dr. #10 > Lawrence KS 66046-3959 > USA Steve From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Apr 18 13:01:55 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:01:55 +0100 Subject: crossover alert! In-Reply-To: <199604181606.MAA29181@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: In message <199604181606.MAA29181 at grumpy.magg.net>, "Andrew A. Apold" writes >On the "Psychadelic Warlords (the Best of)" CD I just picked up, on >the inside cover of the booklet, Dave Brock is pictured clearly >wearing a Blue Oyster Cult T-shirt. (was this common?).. I distinctly remember Dave wearing a BOC t-shirt onstage at the Hammersmith Odeon in '79 or '80. I remember because I was only 14 or 15 and I thought at the time it was quite intriging and no small endorsement that he should wear another band's T while *onstage*. It must have been '79 actually coz I was down-the-front for that one. Next year I was upstairs ;-( -- Jon Browne From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Apr 19 07:04:03 1996 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 07:04:03 -0400 Subject: crossover alert! Message-ID: In a message dated 96-04-18 12:36:21 EDT, you write: >On the "Psychadelic Warlords (the Best of)" CD I just picked up, on >the inside cover of the booklet, Dave Brock is pictured clearly >wearing a Blue Oyster Cult T-shirt. (was this common?).. i heard he was wearing it on the angels of death album-one i don't have. rj From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Fri Apr 19 07:33:36 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 07:33:36 EDT Subject: HW: Cheap Message-ID: --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 19/04/96 12.33 --- Received from LES.DACOMBJ 4709 17/04/96 11.46 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET (not sure if this got through first time so here it is again) Hi all, Just returned from a trip to Birmingham to get the 5 re-issues. Got all 5 for 60 quid. Asked the shop owner if he'd like me to shout about this special deal he did me. He would! I didn't enquire about P&P. If you want address & phone number just let me know. Jez Dacombe From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 19 08:00:58 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 13:00:58 +0100 Subject: Eric on Imaginos In-Reply-To: <960418204707_275458020@emout15.mail.aol.com> from "Rich Hamel" at Apr 18, 96 08:47:08 pm Message-ID: > Any chance of reproducing that interview here? Well, I didn't keep the copy of the interview, but someone else can check the newsgroups or email the guy who did it--I put his email address in my post, but I didn't keep it. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Apr 19 08:17:30 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 13:17:30 +0100 Subject: Reaper Lyrics In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:08:55 EDT." <960418180855_275329257@emout10.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: > Guess I gotta jump in here, > > 'Reaper' is specifically about two concepts: > > 1) A powerful enough romantic LOVE can transcend physical death and endure in > the hereafter. > 2) Death is inevitable whenever it happens to us, and we should know that and > face it without fearing it, having some confidence in the universality of the > human spirit, but having no proof until we actually die. < interesting comments snipped > > (Third Verse) The idea here is that a critical mass of emotional and mental > intensity is necessary to create this event. What if the remaining partner > just can't stand being alone? What if by dint of sheer will lovers can > reunite again after death? In my vision, the 'permission' of the event has to > come from the 'other' side, the afterlife. The event transpires when there is > enought faith and belief to make it happen. Not really so different than any > other afterlife belief system. Gee, all you need is a potter's wheel, and you seem to have "Ghost" :-) > Buck Dharma What I'd like to know is what transpired in the intervening period between writing this and (partially) writing _Shooting Shark_, which to my mind conveys in part the antithesis of this idea, i.e. a kind of pervasive yet insidious burden of an unending relationship. Or maybe I just read the lyrics in the wrong light. Just what the hell is a shooting shark anyway ? Tim ObCD: _'Heat' Original Soundtrack_ mainly for the superb "God Moving Over the Face of the Waters" by Moby From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 19 08:55:33 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 13:55:33 +0100 Subject: Reaper Lyrics In-Reply-To: <199604191217.NAA01723@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Apr 19, 96 01:17:30 pm Message-ID: > > Guess I gotta jump in here, > > [post deleted] > > Buck Dharma BOC-L's habit of sending me random fragments of threads and delivering the rest later is driving me insane. Have we just had direct commentary on Reaper from Buck Himself, or what? This is getting complex ... :) Cheers, Carl From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Apr 19 09:17:53 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:17:53 -0400 Subject: Reaper Lyrics Message-ID: >> > Guess I gotta jump in here, >> > [post deleted] >> > Buck Dharma > > BOC-L's habit of sending me random fragments of threads and >delivering the rest later is driving me insane. > Have we just had direct commentary on Reaper from Buck Himself, >or what? This is getting complex ... :) Sort of, I think. On the newsgroup alt.music.blueoystercult somebody posted something asking about reaper lyrics and asking if it was about suicide. Some discussion ensued, and I think Buck got wind of it and placed the message you saw in a folder on AOL. Somebody on all three then posted it to the newsgroup and here. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 19 09:45:46 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:45:46 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Review of *Trepanation* Message-ID: A few comments to Steve's: >Repeat that louder for the people in the balcony seats, please. My only complaint re: both albums is that Deb's vocal performances on record get re-worked until they're perfect. Perfectly overdone, that is. In concert, where she only gets one chance, she always does it right the first time. Her natural singing voice (which she uses in concert, where she only gets one chance to do it) sounds much better than any crooning affectations you hear when she tries for that "perfect take". I'd be willing to bet that she doesn't need to many takes in the studio if you think that she nails it so well live. As far as "live" vs "studio" sound, I'm not sure I agree w/Steve and Rudy that the Brain Surgeons are necessarily "better" live. Perhaps for the songs on *Eponymous*, but I think that *Trepanation* is very representative of their live sound, and doesn't come across as somehow over-produced. For me, the "sound" of the band is better on the CDs -- I go to see them live for the energy that they give out and for the overall concert-going experience -> I agree that you can't reproduce that by listening to a CD (the sights, the sounds, the smells just ain't the same - not to mention I usually don't have 2 or 3 beers before spinning a CD ;-) ), but I don't think the actual "sound" is better live. I've heard tapes of the Brain Surgeons live, and they don't sound better than the CDs. But again, I think the live experience is totally different, and equally satisfying (if not more so, since I also get a chance to talk with the band, and a few BOC-L members). >And to top it off, I personally think that it's about high time to drop the BOC tunes that they finish every show with. They're pushing out Brain Surgeons tunes that I'd rather hear than *another* "Red and the Black". I have mixed feelings about this one, because of course the BOC tunes that they do play represent some of the best that Albert wrote with them. Perhaps if they mixed it up a bit more - say, no more than 2 BOC tunes for any set (unless they get the opportunity to do an extended set). Also, Bolle once told me (and I agree) that he thinks they should do some more obscure BOC tunes that Albert wrote that BOC doesn't do - such as "Monsters" or "Vengeance". Here's my reaction to some of the BOC tunes the Brain Surgeons do: Career of Evil: Nice to hear once in awhile - Deb's vocals on this make it a real treat. But, I don't know if it should be a staple in the set. Baby Ice Dog: Again, I don't like this as a staple to the set, but again Deb does a great vocal on it, and it also falls into the category of the more obscure BOC tunes which makes it a treat to hear (at least on occassion). Death Valley Nights: I never paid much attention to this song until I heard the Surgeons do it live - now, I LOVE this song. It also works well live with Albert coming out front on guitar and Deb taking over the drums, showing off their versatility. And, BOC never did it live. Cities on Flame: I have real mixed feelings about this one. I never got to see BOC do this one with Albert and I nearly lost it completely when I got to see the Surgeons do it. It's been done live by BOC since the dawn of time, but I still love it every time - still, for this reason maybe it shouldn't be a staple in the Surgeons' set. On the other hand, they do it better than BOC (as I've said before, Albert's ba bum ba BUM on the bass drum is what always made this song for me), and the Spanish rendition and the "1,000 Guitars" bit make it something unique to the Brain Surgeons. Maybe this song should be an encore - I don't know. I don't think it should replace a great Brain Surgeons' tune, but I just like the way they do this one so much that I'd have a hard time not voting for it. The Red & the Black: This one should probably go, IMHO. It's a great up-tempo song for closing a set (not to mention the cool little bass solo at the end which I practice every time I pick up my bass guitar), but it's a much-played BOC song (I know, so is "Cities"), and also BOC often closes their sets these days with it as well. A good tune, but I think there are some good Brain Surgeons tunes which could replace it. Now, here's some BOC tunes that I'd like to hear the Surgeons play, although I realize the goal of this was to *reduce* the BOC content: The Revenge of Vera Gemini - would make a cool duet between Deb & Al Tattoo Vampire - not as a staple, but would be cool to see once or twice Monsters - again, would be cool to see once or twice Dominance & Submission - with Mike Watt guesting on bass . . . I Am the One You Warned Me Of - MF #13 mentioned something about this... Frankenstein - I'll bet Deb could do a good rendition, and if Mr. Cerisano happens to be in town . . . John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 19 09:51:58 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:51:58 -0400 Subject: Dino-tours Message-ID: Manuel sez: >n do we hear this remark, " Oh, BOC ?!?! Are they STILL together?? " Many fans from the forementioned bands have " grown up " and listen to Kenny G instead. At the risk of exposing myself, I've got to admit that I on occassion listen to Kenny G (o.k., it's my wife's fault), but I'd much rather spin my BOC CDs. I don't consider that this means that my tastes have mellowed as much as they've expanded. Then again, I can't say that I've ever been intimate with my wife while BOC was playing on the CD player . . . ;-) John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 19 09:55:47 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 09:55:47 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Review of *Trepanation* Message-ID: >Is this new Brain Surgeons lp available to the masses or only through mail order? I can't find any one who knows anything about their lps let alone who they are. I haven't seen it in my local record stores, although Ripe and Ready was suppossed to have released it by the end of February. I did check the on-line record-finders at both Tower and Newbury Comics, and *Trepanation* is listed there (along with track listing and notes), so I gotta believe it should be around. Also, I did see that CD Connection, an on-line CD ordering service (whom I've ordered several CDs from) lists it in their database. But, if you can't find it, I assume you can still get it direct from the band? John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 19 10:00:30 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:00:30 -0400 Subject: Eric on Imaginos Message-ID: Carl, could you e-mail me the whole interview? Also, I'm not expert on Crate, but from what I've heard, they've greatly improved their stuff from years back. Gotta admit though, I kinda liked the design of their old (early 80's) amps - they literally were crates! John From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Apr 19 10:19:55 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:19:55 -0400 Subject: Dino-tours Message-ID: >Then again, I can't say that I've ever been intimate with my wife while >BOC was playing on the CD player . . . ;-) Not even "Fireworks"? . Oh, well, there's always the Brain Surgeons.... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Apr 19 11:48:03 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 10:48:03 EST Subject: BOC make-out music? Message-ID: > >Then again, I can't say that I've ever been intimate with my wife while > >BOC was playing on the CD player . . . ;-) > How about your girlfriend? From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Apr 19 11:21:20 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:21:20 -0400 Subject: Reaper Lyrics Message-ID: >Valentine as metaphor for mortal love/stuff, done now. Romeo and Juliet I >used as an _example_ of a couple who had the faith to take their love >elsewhere when (in their case) they weren't permitted the freedom to love >here and now. What I meant was, THEY'RE in eternity, 'cause they had the >Faith to believe in the possibility. It frankly never occured to me that the >suicide aspect of their story would be plugged in (like images in a rock >video?) to people's take on 'Reaper' making it an advert for suicide. The >forty thousand number was pulled from the air as a guess about how many >people died every day world wide, not how many people committed suicide. I always thought that the reason that people thought it was about suicide was not because of these lines. I thought it was because of the lines: "Came the last night of sadness, it was clear that she couldn't go on" >Buck Dharma Martyn From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Apr 19 11:30:47 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:30:47 -0400 Subject: BOC romantic music Message-ID: I put together this tape, and haven't had much luck with it as romantic music. I used almost all BOC tunes exclusively, perhaps someone can see what I did wrong? 1. Baby Ice Dog 2. Fire of Unknown Origin 3. Monsters 4. Mistress of the Salmon Salt (Quicklime Girl) 5. The Red & The Black 6. Beat 'em Up 7. (666) Devil Got Your Mother 8. Career of Evil. The only clue I have is a friend who commented, "I don't care if you have Barry White cover all them tunes, it wouldn't work...." (hmmmm I'd pay to hear Barry White singing "I'd like to do it to your daughter...") +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Fri Apr 19 11:33:13 1996 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 11:33:13 EDT Subject: BOC Make-out music Message-ID: >> >Then again, I can't say that I've ever been intimate with my wife while >> >BOC was playing on the CD player . . . ;-) >> >How about your girlfriend? Ha! I don't know about John ;) but my girlfriend is a big fan of _I Love the Night_. For some reason, nothing happens when I play _transmaniacon MC_ for her... Maybe I should play _You're Not the One_? Oops ;) Brian From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Fri Apr 19 11:50:40 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:50:40 -0700 Subject: Art Bell radio show/BOC Message-ID: The Art Bell radio show "Coast to Coast", which features a lot of discussion about UFO's and other Forteana used "Don't Fear the Reaper" recently as a music bed. Art Bell is a fascinating bundle of contradictions- on one hand a libertarian conservative fulminating about illegal immigrants and how America needs the discipline of a Pat Buchanan to preserve the freedom of corporations-and on the other hand discussing UFOs, Roswell, Out of Body Experiences, &c... SP "Freedom is always against the law." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 19 13:11:38 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 13:11:38 -0400 Subject: Dino-tours Message-ID: >Then again, I can't say that I've ever been intimate with my wife while >BOC was playing on the CD player . . . ;-) Not even "Fireworks"? . Oh, well, there's always the Brain Surgeons.... Hmm... "Medusa don't turn me to stone" - the antithesis of AC/DC's "Hard as a Rock"??? ;-) Then again, perhaps something like "Language of Love" would be appropriate. And, it could give new meaning to the words "Rise and Reverberate" . . . Alright, I'll stop now. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 19 13:12:18 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 13:12:18 -0400 Subject: BOC make-out music? Message-ID: > >Then again, I can't say that I've ever been intimate with my wife while > >BOC was playing on the CD player . . . ;-) > How about your girlfriend? My wife won't let me be intimate with my girlfriend . . . From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Apr 19 14:36:29 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 13:36:29 EST Subject: BOC make-out music? Message-ID: > > My wife won't let me be intimate with my girlfriend . . . The nerve of some people! New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Apr 19 14:35:40 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:35:40 -0400 Subject: Reaper Lyrics Message-ID: Aw c'mon people. Doesn't anyone want to spend the weekend arguing about this one again? ;-) M From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Fri Apr 19 15:09:00 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:09:00 -0500 Subject: HW: US Covers mailing address for checks Message-ID: Hi all, Just in case my last post with the correct address didn't go through, here it is again: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. 2327 Murphy Dr. #10 Lawrence KS 66046-3959 USA Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Apr 19 15:09:31 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 14:09:31 -0500 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Apr 1996 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > Though I don't think the vocals of (Grenas?) the singer for High and > Audio are much better than Niks'. Grenas sings High Rise, while the bass player (forgot his name, sorry) sings Audio Energy... at least that's how they did it in Dallas. Damon Capehart | "Snot is running down his nose!" dcapehar at utdallas.edu | - Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Apr 19 15:17:41 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:17:41 -0400 Subject: Reaper Lyrics Message-ID: > Aw c'mon people. Doesn't anyone want to spend the weekend >arguing about this one again? ;-) I'd rather argue about the lyrics of "Redeemed".... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Apr 19 15:34:06 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:34:06 -0400 Subject: HW: US Covers mailing address for checks Message-ID: >Allan T. Grohe, Jr. >2327 Murphy Dr. #10 >Lawrence KS 66046-3959 >USA If you still have one of those four left, I'd like one. I'll send the check as soon as I get the word... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From StevenTice at AOL.COM Fri Apr 19 15:37:37 1996 From: StevenTice at AOL.COM (Steven Tice) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:37:37 -0400 Subject: Reaper Lyrics Message-ID: Can you tell me how to get to the AOL BOC folder? I'm on AOL, but haven't figured out how to find the darned thing. This thing's like a maze (of infinity? Hmmm...) Thanks! SET From hje at ORA.DE Fri Apr 19 15:40:55 1996 From: hje at ORA.DE (Hans-Joerg Ehren) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 21:40:55 +0200 Subject: BOC: Dino-tours Message-ID: Theo said [festival type shows with other classic rock bands from the 70's/early 80', the way for the Oysters to go, an ideal forum for a band like BOC...] Yeah. It was exactly on a show like this when I spotted BOC last time here in Germany: On a tour called "The Golden Age Of Rock 'n' Roll", where the Oysters played with bands like "Molly Hatchet", "Wishbone Ash", "Uriah Heep". Unfortunately BOC was never a real blockbuster here in Krautrockland (can you guess how warmly the people appreciate hymns given to them like M.E. 262?) - but together with some other dinos they happened to play in front of a lot of 2000-3000 people on this evening. Anyway. Being based in Germany you can always be happy to see BOC, even on gig with only a fistful of people around you (which also happened to me on a other BOC gig years ago). From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 19 16:08:10 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:08:10 -0400 Subject: Reaper Lyrics Message-ID: I can't tell you how off the top of my head, but it's just another little tidbit that you can find in the FAQ. I think you use the keyword "mmc" (or music message center). Joh n (oops) From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Fri Apr 19 16:13:41 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 15:13:41 -0500 Subject: HW: US Covers mailing address for checks In-Reply-To: <199604191934.PAA01139@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > If you still have one of those four left, I'd like one. I'll send > the check as soon as I get the word... Yes, there's room for about nine, actually, due to my list containing some UK people. So, if you're in for a set, do let me know and send me your address. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Apr 19 16:29:55 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:29:55 -0400 Subject: Reaper Lyrics Message-ID: I went looking for the FAQ at ftp.spc.edu. When I tried to cd [BOC-L.DIR], it told me that I didn't have permission. Can someone point me right, Ta Martyn From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Fri Apr 19 20:47:01 1996 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 20:47:01 -0400 Subject: Reaper Lyrics In-Reply-To: <9604192029.AA07142@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Apr 19, 96 04:29:55 pm Message-ID: > I went looking for the FAQ at ftp.spc.edu. When I tried to >cd [BOC-L.DIR], it told me that I didn't have permission. > Can someone point me right, Ta The easiest thing to do is just pretend it's a UNIX system and 'cd boc-l'. YnSSHM, Ben From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Fri Apr 19 22:15:37 1996 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:15:37 -0400 Subject: AOL ? Again Message-ID: sorry to ask for this info again - how do you get to the BOC folders on AOL. thanx, shawn From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Apr 20 02:48:13 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 01:48:13 -0500 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? Message-ID: On 19-APR-1996 15:25:46.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >On Wed, 17 Apr 1996 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: >> Though I don't think the vocals of (Grenas?) the singer for High and >> Audio are much better than Niks'. >Grenas sings High Rise, while the bass player (forgot his name, sorry) >sings Audio Energy... at least that's how they did it in Dallas. Nope, it's Grenas on both. Sounds like the same guy...and he's the only one other than Nik credited w/lead vocals (not that credits can't be wrong, of course, but...). >Damon Capehart | "Snot is running down his nose!" >dcapehar at utdallas.edu | - Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull Went to Best Buy today and almost bought a Pressurehed CD. Can't recall the title now, but I'm sure I've seen it mentioned here. Release about '93 or '94. What is this band's stuff like? I was very tempted to buy it...I like their sound on Nik's stuff...but I think I read somewhere that they are more industrial...and I usually don't go that way. Chuck OBCD: Bought Man "The Early Years" instead. `[1;37;46mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat Apr 20 06:42:47 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 12:42:47 +0200 Subject: HW: Need HW stuff? Get it!! Message-ID: Hi there Here is an address from a very kind and helpful HAWKWIND fan who is breaking up his huge HAWKWIND collection. He has got all the stuff the most collectors are dreaming of (T-shirts, posters, programmes, singles, LP's, CD's, tapes, videos...........) If you are interested just drop him a line His address is: ===================== DEAN WESTON 314 HUMBERSTONE LANE LEICESTER LE4 9JP ENGLAND ===================== Bernhard From HWillman at AOL.COM Sat Apr 20 07:19:09 1996 From: HWillman at AOL.COM (HWillman at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 07:19:09 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Review of *Trepanation* Message-ID: It sure must be nice to be able to say something like "I'd like to see the Brain Surgeons do this song once, or that song once, maybe not so much of that song, etc." Heck, I'd like to be able to see them do ANY song!!!! Even once!! IMHO, I think some of our (ever fortunate) East Coast members have become a little "spoiled." I only wish I were so spoiled!! (I like John Swartz's suggestions, though.) -- Howard From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Sat Apr 20 10:33:19 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 15:33:19 +0100 Subject: HW: A Question Of Sport! In-Reply-To: <199604120615.CAA06657@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: Anyone in the UK happen to see yesterday's "A Question Of Sport"? No, It's not the sort of show I usually watch, it was just on after "Tomorrow's World". Anyway, they played Silver Machine (well, what else?) during their "guess the sporting celeb" spot. And what's more, I think it was the recent re-master! -- Jon Browne From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sat Apr 20 15:27:02 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 15:27:02 -0400 Subject: OFF: Amon Duul 2 London Message-ID: Well, it was a slightly thin crowd, albeit with lots of Hawkwind t-shirts in evidence (and Trev Hughes had a stand), but (especially given that they'd just got in from Tokyo) Amon Duul put on a damn good show last night! Some old stuff, some new stuff - which blended in very well - with Renate still giving it all she's got, and Chris Karrer giving some jolly fine guitar licks and violin too; and Lothar Meid very cool and very heavy on bass. The remainder of the band was some younger guys, who did their jobs efficiently without getting in the way of the stars (evidently Peter Leopold didn't want to tour). High spots included "Deutsch Nepal" (simply awesome!), "Lilac Lilies" off the new album (some really dirty guitar from Chris, who was looking pretty cool in his Japanese gear), and the closer, "Archangel's Thunderbird"!!! It was also neat they way they prefaced the show with a projection of the "All the Years Round" video! Conclusion: definitely worth the twenty-year wait! - Andy From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sat Apr 20 15:53:22 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 15:53:22 -0400 Subject: Found on the WWW Message-ID: IN THE BEGINNING (CDCD 1131) 1. MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE Brock, Turner 6.03 2. DREAMING Brock 4.05 3. SHOULDN'T DO THAT Brock 6.00 4. HURRY ON A SUNDOWN Brock 6.20 5. PARANOIA Brock 2.59 6. SEE IT AS YOU REALLY ARE Brock 9.27 7. I DO IT Brock 6.36 8. CAME HOME Brock 7.20 The Notting Hill/ Ladbroke Grove area of wet London was a focus for the "alternative culture" growing out of art collegehippydom in the late 1960s. It had record shops and clothes stalls, clubs and pubs, magazines (Time Out started there as a one-sheet gig guide, and it was home to Oz and It) and of course it had the bands. Hawkwind, half noise and half mysticism, were one of them, and another was r&b outfit the Pretty Things, whose guitarist Dick Taylor was to produce Hawkwind's first album. Science fiction was Hawkwind's chosen metaphor for escape (the sci-fi writer Michael Moorcock was involved with the band) and illicit chemicals fuelled their rocket. They began as Group X, became Hawkwind Zoo, and then dropped the Zoo. A nucleus developed around founder members Dave Brock (guitar) and Nik Turner (saxophone). Other notables in the ranks included bass player Lemmy, soon to become Motorhead's greasy mainman, dancer Stacia, never averse to shaking her stuff around, drummer Simon King and South African-born writer Robert Calvert, later to go solo. Eventually, in 1972, they broke the rules and found huge commercial success with 'Silver Machine'. They were also to break another rule for 60s hippy bands - they survived into the 90s. But this live record takes us back to Brock and Turner's early days in Hawkwind, when there was always a community benefit or college freak-out going on, and inevitably Hawkwind were on the bill. From: http://www.cdj.com.br/cdj/labels/charly/cd1131.htm (Also worth seeing for the cover photograph) Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sat Apr 20 16:04:07 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 16:04:07 -0400 Subject: Found on the Web 2 Message-ID: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ eye WEEKLY March 30 1995 Toronto's arts newspaper .....free every Thursday ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LIVE EYE LIVE EYE HAWKWIND with Change Of Heart. Tuesday, April 4. The Phoenix Concert Theatre, 410 Sherbourne St. $10 from Ticketmaster, 870-8000. $12 at the door. SPIRIT OF THE AGE-LESS by CHRIS TWOMEY A quarter century on from Hawkwind's 1969 origins, their "space-rock" institution has survived the death of the hippie and the centre-parted '70s. Next Tuesday (April 4), "hawk fans" will be celebrating the band's anniversary during their "Spirit Of The Age Tour" show at the Phoenix. Most of Hawkwind's '70s contemporaries radiated their brand of synthesized trance-rock and faded away. Now a new generation of bands like Ozric Tentacles and Astralasia have linked the outlaw free festival scene of Hawkwind's day with modern rave culture. Dave Brock, the group's 50-something founder, likes the new bands and has even released trance-techno remixes of Hawkwind classics by Astralasia and Salt Tank on the band's new Emergency Broadcast System label. "It's hard to say what's new anymore," he says from rehearsals in England. "The funny thing was that my daughter's boyfriend was looking at my records and saying how modern groups like Can and Neu sound. He even found the Kraftwerk album I wrote some sleeve notes for, which I had forgotten about!" What Hawkwind shared with their fellow Europeans was the drone pulse of chant and the trance-inducing energy of repetitive rhythms. This non-Western approach was the real psychedelic revolution to come out of the verse/chorus pop forms of rock 'n' roll. "I do like repetitious things myself," says Brock. "I find when I'm practicing my guitar and playing with sequencers it's quite pleasurable going off in tangents." Hawkwind's version of trance-rock was dubbed "space rock" after their 1971 album In Search Of Space and 1973's Space Ritual Alive. The group's science- fiction-inspired stage shows may have been hated by snobs like Chris Cutler (who favored the French band Magma) but found a loyal audience who continue to buy up the many (approved and unapproved) group and solo releases. Record Collector magazine ranks Hawkwind as No. 32 in the international collectors market. Unfortunately, the group only profits from their current releases on EBS and Griffin in the U.S. "Our history is a terrible story of piracy really. You know what the business is like, full of sharks!" Out now from EBS/Griffin/Cargo is a live album, Undisclosed Files Addendum, an ambient project called White Zone (as the Psychedelic Warriors) and an album from reggae artist Capt. Rizz. Soon will be the release of a Dave Brock solo album, more dance remixes, the legendary Weird tapes and a project from former Hawkwind violinist Simon House. Hawkwind's 25th anniversary will climax in August with a special event near a British castle with former membersd's Lemmy and writer Michael Moorcock. From: http://www.interlog.com/eye/Arts/Music/Reviews/Live/1995/lv0330b.htm - includes a picture of "The eternally stylish Dave Brock" Martyn From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sat Apr 20 16:52:56 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 15:52:56 -0500 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? In-Reply-To: <01I3QWYDXL9K9BYGOG@delphi.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Apr 1996 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > On 19-APR-1996 15:25:46.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 > >Grenas sings High Rise, while the bass player (forgot his name, sorry) > >sings Audio Energy... at least that's how they did it in Dallas. > Nope, it's Grenas on both. Sounds like the same guy...and he's the only one > other than Nik credited w/lead vocals (not that credits can't be wrong, of > course, but...). Like I said, in Dallas it was one each, but it may have changed later on in the tour. > Went to Best Buy today and almost bought a Pressurehed CD. Can't recall the > title now, but I'm sure I've seen it mentioned here. Release about '93 or > '94. _Sudden_Vertigo_. > What is this band's stuff like? I was very tempted to buy it...I like > their sound on Nik's stuff...but I think I read somewhere that they are more > industrial...and I usually don't go that way. They are more intustrial, but the guys at Cleopatra like to call them "the first crossover between industrial and psychedelic", whatever that means. Apparently it's one way of saying that I like it. If the word "industrial" conjures up bands like Ministry, NIN, etc., that's the wrong impression and not much of a comparison. While Pressurehed do have industrial elements (plenny o' synths and electronic drumming... their first album doesn't have a real "drummer", purr-say), the music simply isn't as much torture for the ears as, say, most of the songs on _Broken_ by NIN. BTW, in case you didn't know before, I *HATE* industrial bands such as Ministry and NIN (at least the NIN songs that lend themselves to that categorization). This is an incomplete view of the music of Pressurehed, though, so opinions other than mine ought to be posted as well. Damon Capehart | "Snot is running down his nose!" dcapehar at utdallas.edu | - Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull From sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK Sat Apr 20 21:04:03 1996 From: sihalley at VOSSNET.CO.UK (UNREGISTERED VERSION) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 02:04:03 +0100 Subject: HW: A Question Of Sport! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Reply to Jon Browne about HW: A Question Of Sport! >Anyone in the UK happen to see yesterday's "A Question Of Sport"? >No, It's not the sort of show I usually watch, it was just on after >"Tomorrow's World". Anyway, they played Silver Machine (well, what >else?) during their "guess the sporting celeb" spot. >And what's more, I think it was the recent re-master! >-- >Jon Browne Really, i missed it. But.... Was anybody watching VH-1 around midnight on Thursday. They had a show called 'The Bridge' which featured the Hawks live in the studio! I only caught the last two song, Love In Space and Silver Machine. Don't know anymore then that. It was pure luck I caught it as I was just channel surfing. Does anyone know if the show is repeated. Did they play any other songs or maybe an interview? si sihalley at vossnet.co.uk " A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window" From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Apr 21 02:08:40 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 01:08:40 -0500 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? Message-ID: On 20-APR-1996 16:57:12.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >On Sat, 20 Apr 1996 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: >> On 19-APR-1996 15:25:46.4 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >> >Grenas sings High Rise, while the bass player (forgot his name, >sorry) > >sings Audio Energy... at least that's how they did it in >Dallas. > Nope, it's Grenas on both. Sounds like the same guy...and >he's the only one >> other than Nik credited w/lead vocals (not that credits can't be >wrong, of > course, but...). >Like I said, in Dallas it was one each, but it may have changed later on >in the tour. >> Went to Best Buy today and almost bought a Pressurehed CD. Can't >recall the >> title now, but I'm sure I've seen it mentioned here. Release about >'93 or > '94. >_Sudden_Vertigo_. >> What is this band's stuff like? I was very tempted to buy it...I like >> their sound on Nik's stuff...but I think I read somewhere that they >are mor e >> industrial...and I usually don't go that way. >They are more intustrial, but the guys at Cleopatra like to call them >"the first crossover between industrial and psychedelic", whatever that >means. Apparently it's one way of saying that I like it. >If the word "industrial" conjures up bands like Ministry, NIN, etc., >that's the wrong impression and not much of a comparison. While >Pressurehed do have industrial elements (plenny o' synths and electronic >drumming... their first album doesn't have a real "drummer", purr-say), >the music simply isn't as much torture for the ears as, say, most of the >songs on _Broken_ by NIN. BTW, in case you didn't know before, I *HATE* >industrial bands such as Ministry and NIN (at least the NIN songs that >lend themselves to that categorization). >This is an incomplete view of the music of Pressurehed, though, so >opinions other than mine ought to be posted as well. Well, it just happens that I went music shopping again today (better be careful, there's bills to pay...) at a different shop and this time found both Infadrone and SV both on cassette, Inf for $1.99, SV for 4.99. Yes, I went cheap as usual and got 'Drone. Not much to say yet...there is potential here. I definitely prefer a drummer over machine, but I can stand this... Their style is very wall-of-sound-ish, consistent w/HW... >Damon Capehart | "Snot is running down his nose!" >dcapehar at utdallas.edu | - Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull Chuck `[1;31;47mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From stayer at PI.NET Sun Apr 21 04:58:03 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 01:58:03 PDT Subject: Reaper Lyrics Message-ID: >Buck posted this to an AOL folder today. >Guess I gotta jump in here, >'Reaper' is specifically about two concepts: >1) A powerful enough romantic LOVE can transcend physical >death and endure in the hereafter. Very E.A.Poe like! Love it. >I never have come anywhere close to REALLY wanting to commit suicide. I'm >gonna live until I die. I always say; I'm gonna learn until I die. The day I stop learning is the day that I die. >On the other hand when I go, I don't want 'Amazing >Grace' as the musical centerpiece at my funeral. I want 'Don't Fear The >Reaper'. Good choice! Jerry From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sun Apr 21 09:32:37 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 09:32:37 -0400 Subject: HW: A Question Of Sport! Message-ID: > >Anyone in the UK happen to see yesterday's "A Question Of Sport"? >No, It's not the sort of show I usually watch, it was just on after >"Tomorrow's World". Anyway, they played Silver Machine (well, what >else?) during their "guess the sporting celeb" spot. > >And what's more, I think it was the recent re-master! >-- >Jon Browne > > Cool, but who was the celeb? Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Sun Apr 21 14:38:44 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 14:38:44 BST Subject: HW: A Question Of Sport! Message-ID: Neil Fairbrother was the Silver Machine celeb if memory serves ! (apologies if our American freinds haven't a clue about who this Lancashire cricketer is: he doesn't have long hair BTW :-) ) From stayer at PI.NET Sun Apr 21 13:17:31 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 10:17:31 PDT Subject: BOC: Dino-tours Message-ID: Hans-Joerg wrote: >Unfortunately BOC was never a real blockbuster here in Krautrockland (can >you guess how warmly the people appreciate hymns given to them like M.E. >262?) - but together with some other dinos they happened to play in front of >a lot of 2000-3000 people on this evening. >Anyway. Being based in Germany you can always be happy to see BOC, even on >gig with only a fistful of people around you (which also happened to me on a >other BOC gig years ago). You should be much happier than I am - living in Holland. The one time I had the chance to see BOC I had to go to Koeln. There's always about 20 places in Germany they play on tour. Where do you live? Could be useful if BOC is playing... Please keep me informed about BOC gigs in Germany. They don't play here, but the information on where they do play, is also non-existent. Thanks, Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sun Apr 21 13:10:14 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 10:10:14 PDT Subject: BOC Make-out music Message-ID: >>> >Then again, I can't say that I've ever been intimate with my wife while >>> >BOC was playing on the CD player . . . ;-) >>> >>How about your girlfriend? > Ha! I don't know about John ;) but my girlfriend is a big fan of >_I Love the Night_. For some reason, nothing happens when I play >_transmaniacon MC_ for her... 'I Love The Night' - not unlike 'Reaper'. Another lyric on love beyond death. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sun Apr 21 13:05:02 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 10:05:02 PDT Subject: Dino-tours Message-ID: >>Then again, I can't say that I've ever been intimate with my wife while >>BOC was playing on the CD player . . . ;-) > >Not even "Fireworks"? . Oh, well, there's always the Brain Surgeons.... Not even 'I Love The Night'? Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Sun Apr 21 12:54:43 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 09:54:43 PDT Subject: Reaper Lyrics Message-ID: Carl wrote: >> > Guess I gotta jump in here, >> > [post deleted] >> > Buck Dharma > BOC-L's habit of sending me random fragments of threads and >delivering the rest later is driving me insane. > Have we just had direct commentary on Reaper from Buck Himself, >or what? This is getting complex ... :) I have the same problem sometimes. Well, actually, very often. But in this case, the first message I read that actually started this thread, was the interview. The receive mode was 'random off' for once. It's not only boc-l messages here. Sometimes I think it's the way I order the messages in my mail program, that way the program will get the messages from the server. Jerry 'making up weird theories' van Kooten From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sun Apr 21 12:18:39 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 18:18:39 +0200 Subject: BOC: Dino-tours Message-ID: >Hans-Joerg wrote: >>Anyway. Being based in Germany you can always be happy to see BOC, even on >>gig with only a fistful of people around you (which also happened to me on= a >>other BOC gig years ago). > >You should be much happier than I am - living in Holland. The one time I= had >the chance to see BOC I had to go to Koeln. There's always about 20 places= in >Germany they play on tour. >Where do you live? Could be useful if BOC is playing... Please keep me >informed about BOC gigs in Germany. They don't play here, but the= information >on where they do play, is also non-existent. > >Thanks, >Jerry > Hmmm, I have NEVER seen BOC live (and not tBS either -I wonder why...=20 doesn=B4t Al like Sweden or what? ;-) ) But also... I have been listening to BOC for so long now so I may have too= =20 big expectations and I am a little bit afraid to become dissapointed... I=B4m interrested in both Jerry=B4s and Hans-Joerg=B4s adresses if BOC= someday is=20 around the corner (Europe isn=B4t THAT big...), mine is below. MVH -Daniel - "Jag har en papegoja -s=E5 jag best=E4mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a 392 36 KALMAR 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Sun Apr 21 12:27:38 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 18:27:38 +0200 Subject: BOC: Dino-tours Message-ID: My English is really embarrassing to read -I know. But I hope you understand= =20 my mails anyway... But my Swedish is good, better than Carl=B4s... :-) 'tjo: pa^ er -Daniel - "Jag har en papegoja -s=E5 jag best=E4mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a 392 36 KALMAR 0480-245 11 From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Sun Apr 21 15:27:16 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 14:27:16 -0500 Subject: NIK: Past or Future? In-Reply-To: <01I3S9UODK5K99H9CY@delphi.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Apr 1996 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > Well, it just happens that I went music shopping again today (better be > careful, there's bills to pay...) at a different shop and this time found > both Infadrone and SV both on cassette, Inf for $1.99, SV for 4.99. Yes, I > went cheap as usual and got 'Drone. Not much to say yet...there is potential > here. I definitely prefer a drummer over machine, but I can stand this... > Their style is very wall-of-sound-ish, consistent w/HW... IMO, Sudden Vertigo is better. A few more real drums and a cover of "Right Stuff". Highlights are "Man in Static" and "Majestic 12". BTW, they apparently >forgot< to credit "Right Stuff" to Calvert, so apparently Grenas and Fox wrote it when they were kids in hte '70s and somehow Calvert got hold of it. :) Damon Capehart | "Snot is running down his nose!" dcapehar at utdallas.edu | - Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Apr 21 15:49:35 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 20:49:35 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: Review of *Trepanation* In-Reply-To: <199604191345.JAA02327@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Apr 19, 96 09:45:46 am Message-ID: > Dominance & Submission - with Mike Watt guesting on bass . . . > I Am the One You Warned Me Of - MF #13 mentioned something about this... > Frankenstein - I'll bet Deb could do a good rendition, and if Mr. Cerisano > happens to be in town . . . Concurrence on these! Though why wait until Watt is in town? Actually, I think it's be interesting to hear a Deb version of this, with Al backing vocals as counterpoint (as in so many Surgeon's tunes, and it works well). I can just hear Deb shrieking "Dominance!" and a low sinister sounding "Sub-mission" from Al .... :) In fact, I think it'd make a good lead-in to "Sisters of the Precious Blood" I can hear wild guitar jamming from "D&S" simmering down seemlessly into "Sisters" (I have *no* recollection whether these are in the same key or not, but I'm sure a strategic selection of chord changes in the segue could fix it :), then Sisters, and then boiling back up into a reprise of "D&S" for the final call and response. Another possibility would be doing D&S up to just before the "Times Square now ..." verse, then segue to "Sisters", then reprise into "D&S" from "Times Square now ...". That would be great. Wind up the crowd with D&S, rip into Sisters, then blow 'em away with the D&S reprise. BOC still plays D&S sometimes, but not often enough, IMNSHO! :) Great song, great live, especially I think in a small venue. You could really get great energy between the band and crowd ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sun Apr 21 16:39:08 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 16:39:08 -0400 Subject: BOC Make-out music Message-ID: In a message dated 21/04/96 16:05:47, you write: >'I Love The Night' - not unlike 'Reaper'. Another lyric on love beyond death. As indeed is "Your Loving Heart". - Andy ObLP: The Deviants - _Human Garbage_ From bchina at CROWN.NET Sun Apr 21 18:59:52 1996 From: bchina at CROWN.NET (John Majka) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 15:59:52 -0700 Subject: OFF: Thin White Rope bootlegs Message-ID: Hello Everyone: I'm wondering if anyone out there might have bootlegs of Thin White Rope that they'd be willing to trade? I have about 2 1/2 tapes' worth of TWR, but I've also got a lot of other stuff, such as Hawkwind, Cocteau Twins, Pale Saints, R.E.M, Can etc. E-mail me privately if interested. John Majka bchina at crown.net From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sun Apr 21 20:45:34 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 1996 20:45:34 -0400 Subject: Reaper Lyrics Message-ID: Someone wonders about the diff. btw the tone set and relationship described in "Reaper" and that of "Shooting Shark," several years later-- Donald did not write the lyrics of "Shooting Shark," Patti Smith did, and it was hardly an example of her best work. From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 22 10:34:10 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:34:10 BST Subject: Help - double messages Message-ID: Since my change of address for the list I'm getting two copies of everything. Is it just me? FoFP From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Mon Apr 22 11:18:01 1996 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 11:18:01 BST Subject: OFF-Timothy Leary Message-ID: As Hawkwind used to play benefits for Tim Leary, I thought this may be of interest .... ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:09:56 -0600 To: Ye Olde Severed Heads List From: volt16 at primenet.com (Mike) Subject: Timothy Leary article from "The Oregonian" (part 1) >>>What did the Oregonian quote as a source? Did they interview Tim? > >The following article was published in The Oregonian, April 17, 1996, >and is reproduced here without permission. > >Make of it what you will. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >LEARY PLANS LIVE INTERNET DEMISE >by Tom Bates and Kristi Turnquist (of the Oregonian staff) > >Timonthy Leary is about to kill himself--live on the Internet--and >his friend Ken Kesey, for one, is planning to watch. > >"It will be stimulating," says Kesey, a Pleasant Hill author. "It >will be about something. So much of this Internet stuff is kids >playing with paper cups and strings." > >A former Harvard professor who advised '60s students to "turn on, >tune in, and drop out" with the help of LSD, Leary is about to die of >prostate cancer. But he plans to go out in typically controversial >style, committing suicide on camera for the benefit of a global >audience of computer nerds. > >Kesey, whose association with Leary goes back 30 years to his days as >leader of the footloose Merry Pranksters, attended Leary's 75th >birthday party recently in Los Angeles and played host to a recent >visit from the psychedelic relic at Kesey's farm near Eugene. > >The Internet stunt is "all he talks about," Kesey says. "I told him, >'Tim, this is your best act so far.' He said, 'Yeah, but what do I do >for an encore?'" > >A repeat spectacle by anyone isn't what assisted-suicide activists >are looking for. > >Oregonians led the world in 1994 by passing an initiative, now mired >in appeals courts, making doctor-assisted suicide legal. News of >Leary's plans drew reactions from suicide watchers ranging from >amusement to disgust. > >Whether he goes through with it, Leary's desire to cybercast his >demise has the Internet e-mail all abuzz. > >Steve Silberman, editor at large of HotWired >(http://www.hotwired.com) and author of "Skeleton Key: A Dictionary >for Deadheads," says he heard about Leary's plan earlier. But he >still was surprised to see the proliferation of e-mail messages about >it Tuesday. > >Silberman thinks this all makes sense. Part of the '60s dream, he >says, was about cutting through govermental party lines in search of >a "global transformation of consciousness." > >Leary himself has called it the first "visible, interactive suicide." > >His live personal computer audience will not be large. Fewer than 10 >million Americans are using the Internet. Many of them are getting to >the Web through on-line services that do not have the tools for live >video. > >Silberman describes the current technology as "like a series of video >snapshots. It wouldn't look like TV. It would be more like watching >a security camera." > >(to be continued) ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:10:37 -0600 To: Ye Olde Severed Heads List From: volt16 at primenet.com (Mike) Subject: Timothy Leary article from "The Oregonian" (part two) >Meanwhile, Leary is promoting "hi-tech designer dying" via his home >page on the Web (http://www.leary.com), which is readily available to >those with Web access. > >"Mademoiselle Cancer has moved in to share 'my' body," states his >most recent health summary, dated April 9. "So far she is taking >Room and Board in 'my' prostate and 'my' back bones. I feel minimal >pain." > >Even if Leary receives assistance in the form of lethal drugs, two >recent appellate court rulings favoring assisted suicide make >prosecution unlikely. > >As Leary makes his plans, Dr. Jack Kevorkian is on trial again in >Michigan on charges that he aided in the death of two people. > >"What the 9th Circuit said is he has the right to determine the time >and manner of his death," says Barbara Coombs Lee, a chief petitioner >for Oregon's Measure 16 assisted-suicide law. > >But Lee and other assisted-suicide supporters say Leary's sensational >scheme bears no resemblance to "death with dignity" as they see it >being practiced. > >"Public activity is not what we anticipate," Lee says. "Our >expectation is that not more than 1 or 2 percent will take advantage >of the option, and those we expect will exercise the choice in the >privacy of their homes, surrounded by loved ones." > >Derek Humphry, an Eugene activist who founded and later left the >Hemlock Society, says what Leary is doing "is in pretty poor taste, >but then you would expect that from a flamboyant character like >Timothy Leary...He's not doing anything for our cause." > >"This troubles me, to think that people will grandstand death in this >way," says Jim Hoefler of Dickinson College in Pennsylvania and author >of the book "Deathright: Culture, Medicine, Politics and the Right to >Die." > >"This is not really any different from standing on the Golden Gate >Bridge and calling people out to watch you jump," he says. "It kind >of a desperate act of somebody who wants to go out in a blaze of >glory." > >Kesey says he doesn't see what Leary proposes as suicide. > >"As (Neal) Cassady (who drove "Further" in Merry Prankster days) used >to say, 'Don't get caught on the horns of a false dilemma.' These >people want to stop hurtin'. They will die on their own if you give >them enough opiates. If it takes so much painkillers, and you die in >the course of that, it's different from suicide." > >But Herb Gold, a San Franciso novelist, suspects that Leary's scheme >reflects not just the desire for a painless death but an unsatisfied >longing. "He is already mythic, and he wants to be even more." > ----- End Included Message ----- From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Apr 22 07:34:10 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:34:10 +0100 Subject: HW : Sonic Attack LP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Finally replaced my copy of SONIC ATTACK, which vanished a few years ago, at a record fair this weekend. Got home only to find it has Side 1 twice and no Side 2. Any idea how many of these are floating about? Actually it's a little annoying as it's taken me long enough to find a copy. (And I still have no "Living On A Knife-edge") I also held a Chaos Shield edition of WotEoT. It was only fifteen pounds. I didn't buy it as I've four copies of this album already and I'm going to have to buy a fifth when it's eventually remastered. I didn't want six and there was plenty of stuff I didn't have to think about grabbing. But now I'm home I'm starting to wish I hadn't let it go. It's the only copy I've seen in years..... -- Jon Browne From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 22 13:32:01 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:32:01 BST Subject: Help - double messages In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:34:10 BST Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > Since my change of address for the list I'm getting two copies of > everything. Is it just me? > Yes Yes I'm only getting mono here so you must be on listerv twice somehow cheers cheers jill jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 22 13:38:10 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:38:10 BST Subject: HW : Sonic Attack LP In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:34:10 +0100 Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > Finally replaced my copy of SONIC ATTACK, which vanished a few years > ago, at a record fair this weekend. Got home only to find it has Side 1 > twice and no Side 2. > > Any idea how many of these are floating about? Actually it's a little > annoying as it's taken me long enough to find a copy. (And I still have > no "Living On A Knife-edge") > You've found one! It's a recognised rarity this one - Brian Tawn lists it. Pricewise it's difficult to estimate but I traded for one recently with something of significant rarity since my own priority is rare vinyl. I'm surprised to hear of another one so there may be more around than I imagined but I doubt there'll be many of them. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hje at ORA.DE Mon Apr 22 08:58:12 1996 From: hje at ORA.DE (Hans-Joerg Ehren) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 14:58:12 +0200 Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) Message-ID: [Jerry & Daniel, 2 fellow BOCler's from the Netherlands and Sweden, being interested in information on gigs in Germany] I'll keep you informed about BOC gigs in Germany. As being based in Bonn, I should come to know, when they play Cologne again - like that memorable gig on the "An Enchanted Evening In '92" tour (do you remember, Jerry???). But, who could tell us, if BOC ever hit M.E.262land again. There is some doubt considering the state BOC are in at the moment: not getting out a CD with new material, no promotion in mass media, merely relying on us *die-hard* fans... Let's wait and see, what's behind EB's stories about these negotiations with an European label - an issue that hopefully will result in an European tour. From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Apr 22 08:57:12 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:57:12 +0100 Subject: Help - double messages In-Reply-To: <9604221034.aa24946@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: Must have had a few thousand messages while I was too busy to read the list these last few months, but I'm back now, and haven't noticed any recent double-sends... Hello, how the devil are you? Gordon. From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Apr 22 09:17:27 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 14:17:27 +0100 Subject: HW : Sonic Attack LP In-Reply-To: <9604221338.aa18502@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: > I'm surprised to hear of another one Be prepared for a shock - I had one briefly... :) It happened like this - SA was one of my first bits of vinyl, since I didn't start buying heavily until I got my first stereo. I was at boarding school, and it just so happened that there was a cool geography teacher with odd (Krautrock & prog) music tastes and a great hifi who was new enough to volunteer to be a master in the boarding house for cheap rent. I discovered HW through his record collection, as it happens. So, having bought SA over the hols, I was taking it to boarding school, so that I could deposit it in his room, where I'd get a chance to listen to it occasionally (and where it would find its way into his tape collection). I had it in a bag, along with an early Scorpions release, and a live Grobschnitt album, propped up next to my rucksack. My mother came into my room in the morning, and as it was cold, turned on my fan heater... pointing right at the albums in the bag... So, no use playing SA - it acted as a decent enough heat shield for the other albums though, but it did have some impressive ripples. My mother went out, and found SA in a record shop and bought it as a replacement... only it had two Side 1's (though there were A&B side labels). Well, I wasn't a collector in those days - I had little money, and needed my tunes. I took it to HMV in Glasgow and persuaded them to swap it the following week... oops. :) Gordon. From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Apr 22 09:42:29 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 09:42:29 -0400 Subject: HW: Hawkletter vol 8 no 2 Message-ID: I just found this in my jacket pocket - must have picked it up at Amon Duul on Friday! Some bits of news: Alan Davey's _Captured Rotation_ is due out July 8th; and it'll feature three tracks with vocals by Ron! _Love in Space_ due out May 7th. _Ritual of the Solstice_: I quote "When I listened to this with Dave and Alan, we couldn't work out which track was which!" Visionary will "soon" be releasing a video from the Alien tour. No track list available. The new ICU (basically Judge Trev) album is indeed entitled _Now You Know the Score_, and is supposed to be released in April (so I'll be looking for it this evening) on the Judgement label. Tracks include ICU faves "Skinheads in Leningrad" and "Wake Up (Raj Neesh)", and new tracks "Hitler's Favourite Tune" and "Rituals and Sodomy". Hawkletter is available from Trev Hughes for an SAE - Zephyr, PO Box 6, Liscard, Wallasey, Merseyside L45 4SJ. - Andy From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Apr 22 10:46:25 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:46:25 -0400 Subject: Reaper Lyrics Message-ID: >Donald did not write the lyrics of "Shooting Shark," Patti Smith did, and it >was hardly an example of her best work. The point about contrasting not contrasting the two is good, but as a piece on its own I thougth shooting shark was alright. Perhaps not a good example of a "Patti Smith" piece in the sense that there is a certain things you'd expect based on her other ("best") work, perhaps. Might she have been influenced by the fact she knew she was writing it for him, and written accordingly? It is certainly way different than the earlier stuff she did for BOC (BID, COE, etc.), or stuff like R-n-RN, (stuff that just radiates controversy, and might make you expect it from her). At any rate, it would seem odd to see such a theme used with the light mood of the tone in the music of SS, but then again, I'd think the same thing about DFTR if I were to have heard it sans lyrics before hearing the full version.... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From mordru at MAGG.NET Mon Apr 22 10:46:31 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:46:31 -0400 Subject: Help - double messages Message-ID: >Since my change of address for the list I'm getting two copies of >everything. Is it just me? yes, though I was real tempted to respond twice with identical messages just to see if you'd think you were going crazy. I occasionally get double messages back from people on the list, usually if they accidentally send it once to me, and once to the list. For awhile, I accidentally made someone's nickname on the list wrong, and everything I sent to the list went to him twice.... +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Mon Apr 22 10:20:50 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 10:20:50 EDT Subject: BOC: Dino-tours Message-ID: Orig-From: Hans-Joerg Ehren > Unfortunately BOC was never a real blockbuster here in Krautrockland (can > you guess how warmly the people appreciate hymns given to them like M.E. > 262?) - Does/Did BOC do ME-262 live there? Or did they skip this on those occasions? RR From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Apr 22 07:38:29 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 12:38:29 +0100 Subject: Help - double messages In-Reply-To: <9604221034.aa24946@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In message <9604221034.aa24946 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, M Holmes writes >Since my change of address for the list I'm getting two copies of >everything. Is it just me? > >FoFP Yup! -- Jon Browne From drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Apr 22 16:52:39 1996 From: drgoon at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Gordon) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:52:39 +0100 Subject: HW : Sonic Attack LP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Now I'll drive everybody crazy! That double post was as a result of my mail reader - sorry. :) Gordon. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Apr 22 17:12:50 1996 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:12:50 -0400 Subject: HW : Sonic Attack LP Message-ID: >Now I'll drive everybody crazy! That double post was as a >result of my mail reader - sorry. :) > >Gordon. Well, I have got hardly any mail all day, let alone any double posts. I wonder what's the deal. Martyn From jguizar at EPIX.NET Mon Apr 22 17:17:58 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 16:17:58 -0500 Subject: Help - double messages In-Reply-To: <9604221034.aa24946@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In <9604221034.aa24946 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, on 04/22/96 at 10:34 AM, M Holmes said: >Since my change of address for the list I'm getting two copies of >everything. Is it just me? No problem here. Did you or are you having your mail forwarded from your old address? I'm set up for BOC-L from two addresses - this one is set to NOMAIL so I can send replies from this address. The other one is set up to send and receive (I spend most of my time at this one, but the mail server gets flaky occassionally. when that happens, I just go to the other site, rename .forward, and get everything there. It's also long distance to the other one :( ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us ----------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Mon Apr 22 17:22:45 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 16:22:45 -0500 Subject: Help - double messages In-Reply-To: <199604221446.KAA12453@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: In <199604221446.KAA12453 at grumpy.magg.net>, on 04/22/96 at 10:46 AM, "Andrew A. Apold" said: >>Since my change of address for the list I'm getting two copies of >>everything. Is it just me? >yes, though I was real tempted to respond twice with identical messages >just to see if you'd think you were going crazy. You're supposed to wait a little longer before saying that. Some of us may have had the same thoughts :) ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon Apr 22 17:25:09 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:25:09 -0400 Subject: Found on the Web 2 In-Reply-To: <9604202004.AA01537@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Apr 20, 96 04:04:07 pm Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > > > Out now from EBS/Griffin/Cargo is a live album, Undisclosed Files > Addendum, an ambient project called White Zone (as the Psychedelic Warriors) > and an album from reggae artist Capt. Rizz. Soon will be the release of a Dave > Brock solo album, more dance remixes, the legendary Weird tapes About fucking time! I see the holder of the Weird Tapes (who *does* own those, anyway?), finally broke down on their absurd contention that the tapes weren't good enough to be worth putting on CD. I had already contacted an acquaintance of mine who specializes in audio restoration and tranfer, and had priced the transfer of my copy of Weird Tape #5 (? I always get the number wrong) to CD. It's *expensive*. Something on the order of $2/minute for restoration of the slightly worn tape (well, slightly worn over most of the tape - the rendition of Hassan I Sabha is about shot), :-) and about another $70 for tranfer to CD. I have seen people advertizing on newsgroups who will transfer tapes for less, but I bet they just hook their Walkman up to the audio input of their computer at work, with the SoundBlaster16 and writeable CD drive. ;-) > Hawkwind's 25th anniversary will climax in August with a special event near a > British castle with former membersd's Lemmy and writer > Michael Moorcock. Let's see... if I take a second job ummm.... ok, and I don't go to any movies . Hmmmm. And don't eat ... and... and... and... don't buy any more...err... only buy ... ummm... buy fewer CDs... ... ... buy a LOT FEWER CDs ... then, _MAYBE_ I can make it to this... Sigh. Steve From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Apr 22 18:18:30 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (ronald l jennings) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 15:18:30 -0700 Subject: other: hello,again Message-ID: hi all. i am sorry to post this here,but i just re-subbed with my other account. i was rjpxr5(rj),but am now skarsol(rj). would someone be so kind as to reply directly to me so that i know whether this got thru? thanx, rj From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Apr 22 18:29:19 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:29:19 -0400 Subject: Found on the Web 2 Message-ID: > >Martyn White writes: >> >> >> Out now from EBS/Griffin/Cargo is a live album, Undisclosed Files >> Addendum, an ambient project called White Zone (as the Psychedelic Warriors) >> and an album from reggae artist Capt. Rizz. Soon will be the release of a Dave >> Brock solo album, more dance remixes, the legendary Weird tapes > (snip) > >> Hawkwind's 25th anniversary will climax in August with a special event near a >> British castle with former membersd's Lemmy and writer >> Michael Moorcock. > >Let's see... if I take a second job ummm.... ok, >and I don't go to any movies . Hmmmm. And don't >eat ... and... and... and... don't buy any >more...err... only buy ... ummm... buy fewer CDs... scribble>... ... buy a LOT FEWER CDs >... then, _MAYBE_ I can make it to this... > Ok, now I am really confused. I am under the impression that this is "old news" but recently found on the internet. So, did I time warp Friday night while in an "alternate" state of mind, or did I not see Hawkwind perform their 25th aniversary tour called " The Spirit of the Age Tour" in Cleveland last April? Isn't the solo album refered to above "Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams"? ( I think I'm having one of these right now) Arggggghhhh, I'm sooooo confused!! Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From stayer at PI.NET Tue Apr 23 03:24:28 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:24:28 PDT Subject: BOC: Dino-tours Message-ID: Daniel wrote: >My English is really embarrassing to read -I know. But I hope you understand= >my mails anyway... >But my Swedish is good, better than Carl=B4s... :-) Hey, don't worry. My English is far from flawless (only Theo will say otherwise, sometimes... :-) ), and I can understand what you're saying. So it shouldn't be too hard for the ones with English as their first language. Then again, it's only a couple of hundred of million people talking English. A bigger part of the world population is not :-). Jerry 'trying to do better on English as a second language' From stayer at PI.NET Tue Apr 23 03:20:49 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:20:49 PDT Subject: BOC: Dino-tours Message-ID: Hi Daniel, >Hmmm, I have NEVER seen BOC live I've known that feeling for a long time! >I=B4m interrested in both Jerry=B4s and Hans-Joerg=B4s adresses if BOC= > someday is=20 >around the corner (Europe isn=B4t THAT big...), mine is below. You're right. I'll be off to London next week, and I will go to Stockholm last week of July to see a three-day progrock festival. I hope to move house soon (too much $ for such a small " "), so we'll mail when BOC are thinking about coming over to Europe. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Apr 23 03:13:43 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 00:13:43 PDT Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) Message-ID: Hi Hans, >[Jerry & Daniel, 2 fellow BOCler's from the Netherlands and Sweden, being >interested in information on gigs in Germany] No more Dutchmen on the list? >I'll keep you informed about BOC gigs in Germany. As being based in Bonn, I >should come to know, when they play Cologne again - like that memorable gig >on the "An Enchanted Evening In '92" tour (do you remember, Jerry???). Yes!!!!! I remember!!!!! Fuck, it was great! Silly opening act, too heavy for my taste. Live tapes, OK. But this was real! We hadn't heard Bad Channels at that time, and they didn't even sell it at the stand. They played both songs from the CD, though. Missed the train, and we had to wait at the station from 1AM to 7AM. Two years ago I met a tape trader who was at the same show (and taped it), and went by car... >Let's wait and see, what's behind EB's stories about these negotiations with >an European label - an issue that hopefully will result in an European tour. Fingers crossed! TTYL, Jerry From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Apr 22 20:30:27 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (ronald l jennings) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:30:27 -0700 Subject: hawkwind:cotbs video cd Message-ID: has anyone bought the visionary release on cd of the video chron ot blck sword?and has any one gotten it to work? it states on the cover that it can be played on cdi,or on mpeg compatible players.i have mpeg,but the disc has no .exe files! rj From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Tue Apr 23 04:21:13 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 04:21:13 EDT Subject: HW: first time Message-ID: --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 23/04/96 09.19 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET Hi all, Being relatively new to this list I may have missed out this before, but has anyone ever considered listing the first known date & venue that the HAWKS played every song live? Jez. From SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET Tue Apr 23 13:01:07 1996 From: SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET (Sebastian Welton) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 12:01:07 EST Subject: Regarding: BOC-L Digest - 22 Apr 1996 to 23 Apr 1996 Message-ID: >?Jerry & Daniel, 2 fellow BOCler's from the Netherlands and Sweden, being >interested in information on gigs in Germany? > >I'll keep you informed about BOC gigs in Germany. As being based in Bonn, I >should come to know, when they play Cologne again - like that memorable gig A good guide I find is the In Concert magazine, especially about this time of year as it has all the open air festivals in it (I recall BOC did a gig a couple of years ago here at a bike show.) Talking of open air festivals, I still haven't seen the Hawkwind one advertised for Bad Hersfeld (which is not too far from me) but I will be attending. On a sadder note (for me, anyway) is that after a few years on this list I now have to say goodbye. I'm leaving the European Space Operations Centre for commercial climes in Frankfurt as a Software Consultant. This means it looks like I won't have any Internet access (if I do it'll only be for business.) So until I get around to buying a PC for home (with all those modem bits) I shall be saying tschuess to the wonderful world of the Internet and, of course, BOC-L this coming Friday. (And I will unsubscribe properly, Ben.) Cheers Seb S.J.Welton MVS & VM Operations and Automation Analyst ECNOD/CS/MGCS European Space Operations Centre (ESA), 64293 Darmstadt, Deutschland SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET | DE27PSNP at IBMMAIL | Telephone ++49 6151 902570 C=DE;A=DBP;O=ESOC;S=WELTON;G=SEBASTIAN site=ESOC username=SWELTON From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Apr 23 06:45:09 1996 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:45:09 +0100 Subject: BOC Cliff House In-Reply-To: <199604161416.HAA29627@usr6.primenet.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Apr 1996, Thomas Nelson wrote: > >> > >> A friend of mine sent me a post card with the same house on the cover of > >> Imaginos depicted on it. There was no caption, and I don't know where he is > >> nowadays. Anyone know anything more about the picture (or it it a painting?) > > > >It's called Cliff House, and I believe it's somewhere in or near San > >Francisco. A pretty famous landmark. > > Yes, it's in San Francisco on Highway One (right on the coast). It's a > restaurant. My friends and I use to have late night bonfires on the beach > beside us. We loved it because the mere sight of it gave us the willies. > I think they have the postcards mentioned above; I've also seen posters. The house on the inside sleeve is a different house, though. As I mentioned some time back, I saw the same picture in a book of photographs and it was labelled as being in Scotland. Unfortunately, I didn't buy the book at the time and I can't remember the name of the photographer. Dave From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Apr 23 06:55:45 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:55:45 +0100 Subject: BOC Cliff House In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:45:09 BST." Message-ID: Dave sez - > On Tue, 16 Apr 1996, Thomas Nelson wrote: > > The house on the inside sleeve is a different house, though. As I > mentioned some time back, I saw the same picture in a book of photographs > and it was labelled as being in Scotland. Unfortunately, I didn't buy the > book at the time and I can't remember the name of the photographer. Simon Marsden. Great atmospheric photographer. He did a book based around poems by E A Poe. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the inner sleeve pic came from said book. I've always wondered where that house was, but figured it was indeed in Cornwall. Tim From hje at ORA.DE Tue Apr 23 08:37:29 1996 From: hje at ORA.DE (Hans-Joerg Ehren) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:37:29 +0200 Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) Message-ID: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM wrote: >Subject: Re: BOC: Dino-tours > >Orig-From: Hans-Joerg Ehren > >> Unfortunately BOC was never a real blockbuster here in Krautrockland (can >> you guess how warmly the people appreciate hymns given to them like M.E. >> 262?) - > >Does/Did BOC do ME-262 live there? Or did they skip this on those >occasions? > >RR I've never seen them doing M.E. 262. Though I have to admit I've seen them only 3 times live, as I, originally coming from classical music, discovered BOC relatively lately. I can only guess, BOC thus tried to avoid being associated with German NeoNazi movement, who possibly could be attracted by lines like "Hitler's on the phone from Freiburg"... Anyway, apart from this, M.E. 262 is next to "Stairways to the stars" one my all-time BOC favourites - OK only if you have a look on these type of hardrocking, rhythm dominated stuff. ;-) From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 23 13:31:10 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:31:10 BST Subject: hawkwind:cotbs video cd In-Reply-To: ronald l jennings's message of Mon, 22 Apr 1996 17:30:27 -0700 Message-ID: ronald l jennings writes: > has anyone bought the visionary release on cd of the video chron ot blck > sword?and has any one gotten it to work? > it states on the cover that it can be played on cdi,or on mpeg compatible > players.i have mpeg,but the disc has no .exe files! > rj I got a pal to transfer it to PAL VHS tape for me. Cheers FoFP From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Apr 23 09:13:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:13:00 EDT Subject: HW: cotbs video cd is entertainment from hell Message-ID: >has anyone bought the visionary release on cd of the video chron ot blck >sword?and has any one gotten it to work? >it states on the cover that it can be played on cdi,or on mpeg compatible >players.i have mpeg,but the disc has no .exe files! >rj rj (ex rjPXR5), you have touched on something that makes me want to scream. I borrowed a copy (thanks, FoFP) to turn into VHS, I had at least 3 different approaches before I got it and I was feeling confident. I even have access to a Pentium 90 with a composite video and stereo audio output board. Nothing I've tried has gotten it to play properly. You need an external VMPEG viewer software, nothing but *.dat files in the MPEG directory (and that file format is an odd one for MPEG). The best I've been able to do so far is to get halting play with very blocky video and music samples at full screen. The equipment I'm using is not quite cutting edge, but within spitting distance. A friend and I got it to play last night, but only as a small window with an occasional frame loss. Stretching the window brought video to a crashing halt, although the music played on. The mention on the disc of "White Book" standard may be the issue. My VMEG viewer says it is "Green Book" and it is fairly recent vintage. Nobody uses CD-I it seems and the Video CD files in the *.vcd format have yet to be recognized by any software. I've tried laser players that are supposed to play CD Videos (I think now that the word order is significant too) and the time display ticks along happy as can be to a dead blue screen and mute speakers. But this was before I knew of the disc file structure, so maybe now I can finagle something. I also tried an e-mail to the Visionary people for advice, but they must be in a trance, because no reply. I'm not the world's greatest technomage, but I'd say I'm at least at the mean. I can't believe that somebody would release something for home use that I can't even figure out a clue as how to work. I usually give advice to others. I've called in some real experts on this, but they haven't gotten back to me yet. If I can crack the coded language, I'll let you know how. This is becoming a point of honor now. Rudy From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Apr 23 09:24:23 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:24:23 +0100 Subject: OFF industrial was Re: NIK: Past or Future? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 20 Apr 1996 15:52:56 CDT." Message-ID: OK, this is none of my business, but I'll jump in here- > > What is this band's stuff like? I was very tempted to buy it...I like > > their sound on Nik's stuff...but I think I read somewhere that they are more > > industrial...and I usually don't go that way. > > They are more intustrial, but the guys at Cleopatra like to call them > "the first crossover between industrial and psychedelic", whatever that > means. Apparently it's one way of saying that I like it. Since these days industrial is such a broad catchall for styles generally employing electronics/samples/foundsound + conventional instruments, Pressurehed fits in pretty well. The mechanical nature of some songs on Infadrone due to the drum machine along with the guitar riffing is typical of a buncha industrial type groups (eg. some Skinny Puppy fer starters). The industrial tag has also been stapled predominantly to 'heavy' bands of late, (Skrew, Misery Loves Co., Godflesh) yet more pop rock industrial groups (Course of empire, Filter, Sister Machine Gun, Machines of Loving Grace) exhibit similar trends in different ways. Then there's the industrial-dance crowd (too numerous to mention, but say, like FLA). Pressurehed seems to land somewhere in the midst of all, yet with more than a nod and a wink to space rock ontop. Then again, others say industrial is purely an attitude, like cyberpunk (yeah, whatever mate). Under those auspices, whether Pressurehed fits in is anybodys guess. > If the word "industrial" conjures up bands like Ministry, NIN, etc., > that's the wrong impression and not much of a comparison. While > Pressurehed do have industrial elements (plenny o' synths and electronic > drumming... their first album doesn't have a real "drummer", purr-say), > the music simply isn't as much torture for the ears as, say, most of the > songs on _Broken_ by NIN. _Broken_ stands as a pinnacle of guitar-driven industrial/metal crossover. I'll agree to disagree here :-) Where Trent really does start to lose it are his remix efforts, particularly _Fixed_ (remixing Broken) and _Further Down the Spiral_. Both contain some serious challenges to listenability, even for a pretty devout NINnie like me. And listening to them in anything but a positive balanced state of mind *not* recommended ;-) > BTW, in case you didn't know before, I *HATE* > industrial bands such as Ministry and NIN (at least the NIN songs that > lend themselves to that categorization). If you do ever decide to give 'industrial' music another chance, run don't walk to the store and get something by the Young Gods ( _TV Sky_ or _Only Heaven_ if you want english vocals). Excellent use of sequencers and guitar loops in a much lighter vein than say, Ministry. > This is an incomplete view of the music of Pressurehed, though, so > opinions other than mine ought to be posted as well. Tim ObCD: Stevie Ray Vaughan: _Couldn't Stand the Weather_ From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 23 10:59:36 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 09:59:36 EST Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) Message-ID: > >> Unfortunately BOC was never a real blockbuster here in Krautrockland (can > >> you guess how warmly the people appreciate hymns given to them like M.E. > >> 262?) - > > > >Does/Did BOC do ME-262 live there? Or did they skip this on those > >occasions? > > I don't see what the problem would be in playing ME 262. It shows the german pilots as heroic, outnumbered soldiers simply doing their duty. It mentions nothing of politics other than the mention of Hitler and Goering[sp?] who were, in addition to 'party' leaders, also leaders of state and war policy. That is, other than the veiled political references to Desdinova, Plutonia etc. The only way it would give offense would be to those who would like to deny that WWII even existed, etc. Or perhaps the way the song revels in warfare imagery without showing any consideration for the negative? The almost matter-of-fact references to burning planes, bombing cities, etc., but that kind of nonchalance could hardly be ascribed only to Germans. Then again, I don't think we Americans can really grasp the sensitivity Germans might have in being perceived as warlike, etc., esp. given the [seemingly] looming spectre of neo-nazi revival. Are the skinheads that much a factor? Do Germans feel uncomfortable that there could be a legit. nazi resurgence? Or uncomfortable that deep down they might agree with the nazis? Simply grist for debate, but I'd be interested in the views of Euro-rockers on this stuf theo > New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Apr 23 10:36:46 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:36:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) Message-ID: Theo Of course you're right, because you know the whole song and its context. But if you're a neo-Nazi with limited English and an even more limited sense of irony - or a tabloid journalist, ditto - you might easily think the song glorifies Nazism. I've no idea whether BOC did or did not play "Me 262" in Germany, but they might well have been keen to avoid anything that might associate them (however misguidedly) with Nazism. After all, they were already sailing pretty close to the wind with the hooked cross emblem. - Andy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 23 12:21:59 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 11:21:59 EST Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) Message-ID: Andy replies to mine: > Theo > > Of course you're right, because you know the whole song and its context. But > if you're a neo-Nazi with limited English and an even more limited sense of > irony - or a tabloid journalist, ditto - you might easily think the song > glorifies Nazism. I've no idea whether BOC did or did not play "Me 262" in > Germany, but they might well have been keen to avoid anything that might > associate them (however misguidedly) with Nazism. After all, they were > already sailing pretty close to the wind with the hooked cross emblem. > > - Andy I know that a 'BOC is pro Nazi' idea has circulated. All the more crazy because I thought I read somewhere that Eric is Jewish. And, of course, the Kronos symbol [as well as variants on the swastika] predate this millenium, if people bothered to look into it. BTW, classical scholars out there, is it Cronos or Kronos? theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Tue Apr 23 11:35:01 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:35:01 +0200 Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) Message-ID: >I know that a 'BOC is pro Nazi' idea has circulated. All the more >crazy because I thought I read somewhere that Eric is Jewish.=20 Are you sure you don't meen Gene Simmons? :-) >of course, the Kronos symbol [as well as variants on the swastika] >predate this millenium, if people bothered to look into it. BTW, >classical scholars out there, is it Cronos or Kronos? >theo > Oh, I thought it was Chronos... :-) -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s=E5 jag best=E4mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue Apr 23 11:38:45 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:38:45 -0500 Subject: HW: first time In-Reply-To: Jeremy Dacombe "HW: first time" (Apr 23, 4:21am) Message-ID: Jeremy Dacombe wrote: > Being relatively new to this list I may have missed out this > before, but has anyone ever considered listing the first > known date & venue that the HAWKS played every song live? This list is from my rearranging of Bernhard's excellent list of known tapes. I haven't scrubbed my list yet, so I am sure that there are still some mistakes here and there. Frank ------------- 25 years [1978.10.06, OXFORD, NEW THEATRE] 5th second of forever [1980.10.10, MANCHESTER, APOLLO] alien [1995.04.04, TORONTO, PHOENIX CLUB] all along the watchtower [1986.05.05, OXFORD, NEW AGE FAYRE] angel on his way from slime [1973.02.24, DUeSSELDORF, PHILIPSHALLE] angel voice [1981.10.01, MANCHESTER, APOLLO] angels of death [1977.12.23, BARNSTAPLE, QUEENSWAY HALL] arrival in utopia [1982.10.14, HITCHIN, REGAL] assault & battery [1975.06.15, FRICK, FESTIVAL] astronauts [1988.12.15, LONDON, TOWN & COUNTRY CLUB] aubergine that ate rangoon [1976.03.06, LONDON, IMPERIAL COLLEGE] automoton [1978.10.06, OXFORD, NEW THEATRE] awakening [1971.10.14, ELM COURT, POTTERS BAR] back in the box [1989.06.02, ST. ALBANS, CITY HALL] back on the streets [1976.09.18, MANCHESTER, PALACE THEATRE] bass session [1985.02.10, MANCHESTER, INTERNATIONAL] be yourself [1970.05.23, PORT TALBORT, FESTIVAL] beast of chaos [1971.10.14, ELM COURT, POTTERS BAR] big intro [1981.12.18, LONDON, RAINBOW] black corridor [1972.09.10, ESSEN, GRUGA HALLE] black elk speaks II [1991.03.12, AMSTERDAM, PARADISO] blue shift [1991.05.12, WASHINGTON, CLUB 9:30] blues jam [1986.05.05, OXFORD, NEW AGE FAYRE] blues session [1985.02.10, MANCHESTER, INTERNATIONAL] born to go [1971.12.12, BIRMINGHAM, KINETIC PLAYGROUND] brainbox pollution [1973.07.22, SOUTHAMPTON, TOP RANK] brainstorm [1972.06.05, WOLVERHAMPTON, CIVIC HALL] cajun jinx [1986.11.07, ST.ALBANS, CITY HALL] camera that could lie [1992.12.10, BRADFORD, ST. GEORGES HALL] chaos army [1985.11.05, GUILDFORD, CIVIC HALL] check control [1990.10.13, LEEDS, UNIVERSITY] choose your masks [1982.10.14, HITCHIN, REGAL] chronicle of the black sword [1985.12.03, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON] chronoglide skyway [1976.03.14, PRESTON, GUILD HALL] circus [1984.06.22, STONEHENGE FESTIVAL] city of tiny lights [1988.11.14, BIRMINGHAM, KALEIDOSCOPE] coded languages [1981.10.01, MANCHESTER, APOLLO] coleridge on the enterprise [1989.03.05, BRIXTON, ACADEMY] coming of hawkwind [1973.11.25, NEW YORK, ACADEMY OF MUSIC] conjuration of magnu [1985.12.03, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON] countdown [1972.09.28, LONDON, PARIS THEATRE] curse of man [1984.03.13, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON] d-rider [1973.10.12, ZUeRICH, VOLKSHAUS] damage of life [1989.06.02, ST. ALBANS, CITY HALL] damnation alley [1977.02.27, LONDON, ROUNDHOUSE] dangerous vision [1980.11.06, CHELMSFORD, ODEON] dark lords [1987.08.28, BRIGHTON, CENTRE] dead gods homecomming [1985.12.03, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON] death trap [1977.12.23, BARNSTAPLE, QUEENSWAY HALL] demise [1985.11.16, NEWCASTLE, CITY HALL] down through the night [1972.12.29, EDMONTON, SUNDOWN] dragon song [1985.12.03, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON] dragons and fables [1984.02.16, SLOUGH, THAMES HALL] dream dancers [1984.02.16, SLOUGH, THAMES HALL] dream worker [1982.10.14, HITCHIN, REGAL] dreaming city [1985.11.05, GUILDFORD, CIVIC HALL] dust of time [1980.07.12, FOLKESTONE, LEAS CLIFF HALL] earth calling [1971.07.26, WOLVERHAMPTON, CIVIC HALL] earth ritual [1984.03.13, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON] ejection [1982.10.14, HITCHIN, REGAL] electric tepee [1992.04.24, BRIGHTON, THE EVENT] electronic no1 [1972.12.29, EDMONTON, SUNDOWN] electronics [1973.02.09, GLASGOW, APOLLO] elric pt.1 [1985.12.03, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON] elric pt.2 [1985.12.03, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON] elric the enchanter [1985.11.05, GUILDFORD, CIVIC HALL] eternal champion [1973.07.22, SOUTHAMPTON, TOP RANK] fable of a failed race [1977.02.27, LONDON, ROUNDHOUSE] final countdown [1973.02.24, DUeSSELDORF, PHILIPSHALLE] final fight [1985.12.03, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON] flying doctor [1978.10.06, OXFORD, NEW THEATRE] forge of vulcan [1977.02.27, LONDON, ROUNDHOUSE] free fall [1977.12.23, BARNSTAPLE, QUEENSWAY HALL] gaga [1973.05.27, LONDON, WEMBLEY STADIUM] ghost dance [1982.10.14, HITCHIN, REGAL] golden void [1975.06.15, FRICK, FESTIVAL] got your number [1984.11.16, WARRINGTON, SPECTRUM] green finned demon [1984.02.16, SLOUGH, THAMES HALL] gremlin [1989.03.05, BRIXTON, ACADEMY] hassan i sahba [1976.09.18, MANCHESTER, PALACE THEATRE] hawkwind [1987.09.26, WORCESTER, PITCHCROFT RACECOURSE] heads [1987.12.12, LEEDS, ACID DAZE] high rise [1977.06.07, BRADFORD, ST.GEORGES HALL] horn of destiny [1985.11.05, GUILDFORD, CIVIC HALL] horn of fate [1985.12.03, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON] hurry on sundown [1985.02.10, MANCHESTER, INTERNATIONAL] i am the eye that looks within [1994.10.28, BERLIN, HUXLEY'S] images [1990.06.23, GLASTONBURY, FESTIVAL] improvisation [1971.06.04, DARMSTADT, OTTO BERNTE HALLE] improvisation: (spirit of the age + dream worker) [1989.09.16, CLYRO COURT] in the egg [1973.05.27, LONDON, WEMBLEY STADIUM] in the mood [1982.10.24, BRADFORD, ST. GEORGES HALL] in the office [1983.09.03, MILTON KEYNES, CAMPUS] instrumental (poem) [1990.06.23, GLASTONBURY, FESTIVAL] instrumental [1974.11.23, PARIS, OLYMPIA] intro [1971.02.19, COLCHESTER, TECHNICAL COLLEGE] iron dream [1977.02.27, LONDON, ROUNDHOUSE] it's so easy [1973.07.22, SOUTHAMPTON, TOP RANK] jack of shadows [1977.09.16, MANCHESTER, PALACE THEATRE] jam [1971.06.04, DARMSTADT, OTTO BERNTE HALLE] joker of the universe [1981.12.18, LONDON, RAINBOW] kerb crawler [1976.03.06, LONDON, IMPERIAL COLLEGE] kings of speed [1989.12.02, LEEDS, UNIVERSITY] land of inspirations [1993.04.24, ROTTERDAM, NIGHTTOWN] leader of the pack [1984.11.24, ST. ALBANS, CITY HALL] letting in the past [1992.12.10, BRADFORD, ST. GEORGES HALL] levitation [1979.11.16, LIVERPOOL, EMPIRE] lighthouse [1979.11.15, MANCHESTER, APOLLO] living on a knife edge [1988.11.14, BIRMINGHAM, KALEIDOSCOPE] lord of light [1972.12.29, EDMONTON, SUNDOWN] lords of chaos [1987.08.28, BRIGHTON, CENTRE] lost chronicles [1986.11.07, ST.ALBANS, CITY HALL] lsd [1991.10.05, BERLIN, H&M] lyrics [1985.11.16, NEWCASTLE, CITY HALL] magnu [1975.06.15, FRICK, FESTIVAL] make what you can [1972.02.13, LONDON, ROUNDHOUSE] making of midgard [1976.03.06, LONDON, IMPERIAL COLLEGE] mark of cain [1984.11.16, WARRINGTON, SPECTRUM] mask of the morning [1991.12.11, HEMEL, PAVILON] master of the universe [1971.06.04, DARMSTADT, OTTO BERNTE HALLE] micro man [1978.10.06, OXFORD, NEW THEATRE] mind journey [1975.06.15, FRICK, FESTIVAL] moonglum [1985.11.05, GUILDFORD, CIVIC HALL] motorway city [1979.09.09, LEEDS, FESTIVAL] mutation zone [1988.04.05, NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY] my armour's killing me [1981.12.18, LONDON, RAINBOW] narration [1985.12.03, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON] needle gun [1985.06.01, FOLKESTONE, LEAS CLIFF HALL] new jerusalem [1979.09.09, LEEDS, FESTIVAL] night of the hawks [1984.02.16, SLOUGH, THAMES HALL] note from a cold planet [1984.03.13, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON] nuclear toy(drive) [1984.11.16, WARRINGTON, SPECTRUM] ode to a crystal set [1975.08.22, READING FESTIVAL] ode to a time flower [1973.02.09, GLASGOW, APOLLO] oh lord [1984.06.22, STONEHENGE FESTIVAL] only dreaming [1971.02.19, COLCHESTER, TECHNICAL COLLEGE] only ones [1988.11.15, LEEDS, PHOENIX CLUB] only the dead dreams of a cold war kid [1978.10.06, OXFORD, NEW THEATRE] opa loka [1975.06.15, FRICK, FESTIVAL] orgone accumulator [1972.12.29, EDMONTON, SUNDOWN] out of the shadows [1989.12.02, LEEDS, UNIVERSITY] outer limits [1982.10.27, BIRMINGHAM, ODEON] over the top [1977.12.23, BARNSTAPLE, QUEENSWAY HALL] paradox [1973.11.28, DETROIT, FORD AUDITORIUM] paranoia I [1971.02.19, COLCHESTER, TECHNICAL COLLEGE] phenomenon of luminosity [1979.11.15, MANCHESTER, 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CLUB] sax session [1985.02.10, MANCHESTER, INTERNATIONAL] sax solo [1984.11.18, DUNSTABLE, QUEENSWAY HALL] scan [1982.11.12, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON] sea king [1985.11.05, GUILDFORD, CIVIC HALL] secret agent [1992.04.24, BRIGHTON, THE EVENT] seeing it as you really are [1970.05.23, PORT TALBORT, FESTIVAL] seven by seven [1972.09.10, ESSEN, GRUGA HALLE] shade gate [1985.06.01, FOLKESTONE, LEAS CLIFF HALL] shot down in the night [1979.09.09, LEEDS, FESTIVAL] silver machine [1971.10.14, ELM COURT, POTTERS BAR] sleep of a 1000 tears [1985.06.01, FOLKESTONE, LEAS CLIFF HALL] snake dance [1989.12.02, LEEDS, UNIVERSITY] social alliance [1982.10.14, HITCHIN, REGAL] solitary mind games [1982.10.14, HITCHIN, REGAL] song of the swords [1985.06.01, FOLKESTONE, LEAS CLIFF HALL] sonic attack [1972.12.29, EDMONTON, SUNDOWN] space chase [1980.07.12, FOLKESTONE, LEAS CLIFF HALL] space dust [1992.04.24, BRIGHTON, THE EVENT] space is deep [1972.12.29, EDMONTON, SUNDOWN] space is their [1992.08.15, BRIXTON, ACADEMY] spiral galaxy 28948 [1975.06.15, FRICK, FESTIVAL] spirit of the age [1971.10.14, ELM COURT, POTTERS BAR] sputnik stan [1993.11.07, MILTON KEYNES, WOUGHTON CENTRE] stand down [1988.11.14, BIRMINGHAM, KALEIDOSCOPE] standing at the edge I [1974.08.10, HARLOW, PARK FESTIVAL] star song [1990.09.01, BRIXTON, ACADEMY] starflight [1982.10.14, HITCHIN, REGAL] steppenwolf [1976.03.06, LONDON, IMPERIAL COLLEGE] stonehenge decoded [1984.06.21, STONEHENGE FESTIVAL] sweet mistress of pain [1971.06.04, DARMSTADT, OTTO BERNTE HALLE] sword of the east [1988.04.05, NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY] technicians of spaceship earth [1971.10.14, ELM COURT, POTTERS BAR] ten seconds of forever [1972.12.29, EDMONTON, SUNDOWN] tibet is not china [1993.07.31, DERBY, FESTIVAL] tides [1988.04.05, NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY] time for sale [1976.09.18, MANCHESTER, PALACE THEATRE] time ship [1981.12.18, LONDON, RAINBOW] time we left [1972.12.29, EDMONTON, SUNDOWN] treadmill [1989.03.05, BRIXTON, ACADEMY] turner song [1983.09.03, MILTON KEYNES, CAMPUS] tv-suicide [1989.12.07, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON] uncle sam's on mars [1976.09.18, MANCHESTER, PALACE THEATRE] unknown [1990.06.23, GLASTONBURY, FESTIVAL] unknown1 [1988.08.06, PENZANCE, BOLWINGHOUSE FAYRE] unknown2 [1988.08.06, PENZANCE, BOLWINGHOUSE FAYRE] upside down [1973.02.24, DUeSSELDORF, PHILIPSHALLE] urban guerilla [1973.05.27, LONDON, WEMBLEY STADIUM] utopia [1982.10.14, HITCHIN, REGAL] virgin of the world [1981.06.20, GLASTONBURY FESTIVAL] wage war [1973.05.27, LONDON, WEMBLEY STADIUM] waiting for my man [1977.02.27, LONDON, ROUNDHOUSE] waiting for nati [1980.07.12, FOLKESTONE, LEAS CLIFF HALL] waiting for tomorrow [1982.03.05, HITCHIN, REGAL] war i survived [1988.04.05, NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY] warrior at the end of time [1973.12.11, NEWCASTLE, CITY HALL] warriors [1973.07.22, SOUTHAMPTON, TOP RANK] wastelands [1992.12.11, GLASGOW, BARROWLANDS] wastelands of sleep [1988.04.05, NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY] watcher [1973.03.10, DUBLIN, NATIONAL STADIUM] watching the grass grow [1984.02.16, SLOUGH, THAMES HALL] wave upon wave [1993.07.31, DERBY, FESTIVAL] welcome [1971.12.12, BIRMINGHAM, KINETIC PLAYGROUND] welcoming hands of space [1988.12.15, LONDON, TOWN & COUNTRY CLUB] white zone [1995.04.04, TORONTO, PHOENIX CLUB] who's gonna win the war [1979.11.15, MANCHESTER, APOLLO] wild thing [1985.02.10, MANCHESTER, INTERNATIONAL] wind of change [1974.04.05, PHILADELPHIA, TOWER THEATRE] wings [1990.10.13, LEEDS, UNIVERSITY] wizzard blew his horn [1973.12.11, NEWCASTLE, CITY HALL] world of tiers [1979.11.15, MANCHESTER, APOLLO] you shouldn't do that [1971.02.19, COLCHESTER, TECHNICAL COLLEGE] you'd better believe it [1973.11.28, DETROIT, FORD AUDITORIUM] your secret's safe with me [1990.01.25, NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY] zarozinia [1985.11.05, GUILDFORD, CIVIC HALL] -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Mark Goodier: What's the name of the company you work for? Listener: Mining and Engineering Services. Mark Goodier: So, what kind of work do they do? Is it mining and engineering services? -- BBC Radio 1 From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Apr 23 11:44:15 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (ron jennings) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:44:15 -0700 Subject: hawkwind:cotbs video cd Message-ID: >I got a pal to transfer it to PAL VHS tape for me. could you find out how? rj From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 23 16:48:56 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:48:56 BST Subject: Cloned messages Message-ID: I started getting single copies of messages today, then double copies again, and now back to single copies. I'm not forwarding from any other addresses so I don't think it's my end. Cheers FoFP From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 23 17:53:55 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:53:55 BST Subject: hawkwind:cotbs video cd In-Reply-To: ron jennings's message of Tue, 23 Apr 1996 08:44:15 -0700 Message-ID: ron jennings writes: > >I got a pal to transfer it to PAL VHS tape for me. > could you find out how? rj I may see him on Thursday. You can use VHS PAL tapes though? I have two vcr's so can trade copies. FoFP From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 23 14:03:05 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:03:05 EST Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) Message-ID: > >I know that a 'BOC is pro Nazi' idea has circulated. All the more > >crazy because I thought I read somewhere that Eric is Jewish.=20 > > Are you sure you don't meen Gene Simmons? :-) I though I read somewhere that Gene was a gypsy? Well, both groups figured in the fuhrer's 'final solution!' But seriously, the reference to Eric I got from an interview with Buck way back in the 70s. The writer wanted to know about the concept of BOC as 'Jewish Nazis,' and Buck said: 'actually, Eric is the only person in the band who's Jewish.' > >of course, the Kronos symbol [as well as variants on the swastika] > >predate this millenium, if people bothered to look into it. BTW, > >classical scholars out there, is it Cronos or Kronos? > >theo > > > > Oh, I thought it was Chronos... :-) Right! My mistake--but which is it? Carl, you out there? >theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue Apr 23 13:18:20 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:18:20 -0400 Subject: Cloned messages In-Reply-To: <9604231648.aa00037@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "M Holmes" at Apr 23, 96 04:48:56 pm Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > > I started getting single copies of messages today, then double copies > again, and now back to single copies. I'm not forwarding from any other > addresses so I don't think it's my end. > > Cheers > > FoFP > Perhaps you're turning schizophrenic? Steve From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Tue Apr 23 13:22:33 1996 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:22:33 EDT Subject: HW: Black sword videoCD Message-ID: Hi Ronald and everyone else of course! You wrote; >has anyone bought the visionary release on cd of the video chron ot blck >sword?and has any one gotten it to work? >it states on the cover that it can be played on cdi,or on mpeg compatible >players.i have mpeg,but the disc has no .exe files! >rj No problem with my Diamond stealth 64 card and it's MPEG software. I've been playing it since yesterday, I actually bought the VCD two weeks ago but didn't have the software then. Otherwise there's no problem. I don't think that there should be any .exe-files on it since the software for the card does the work. All the best Henrik From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 23 13:26:03 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:26:03 +0100 Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) In-Reply-To: <7235C98688B@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Apr 23, 96 01:03:05 pm Message-ID: >>>of course, the Kronos symbol [as well as variants on the swastika] >>>predate this millenium, if people bothered to look into it. BTW, >>>classical scholars out there, is it Cronos or Kronos? >> >> Oh, I thought it was Chronos... :-) > Right! My mistake--but which is it? Carl, you out there? Well, I'm not a classical scholar, but I can tell you it's a transliteration of the Greek word where the first letter is "chi" (looks like an "X") and you can transliterate that into Roman characters in a variety of ways. > New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From what I've heard of RT's new one, it's quite good (as one might expect). Not sure if I can afford to pick it up just yet, especially with all this new HW stuff coming out :) but I might catch him live in Cambridge in May. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 23 13:38:07 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:38:07 +0100 Subject: Cloned messages In-Reply-To: <199604231718.NAA10407@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Apr 23, 96 01:18:20 pm Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > I started getting single copies of messages today, then double copies > again, and now back to single copies. I'm not forwarding from any other > addresses so I don't think it's my end. Your messages are clones. They are not alone. Every byte of their data is identical to the others ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 23 18:40:23 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:40:23 BST Subject: Cloned messages In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:18:20 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > M Holmes writes: > > > > I started getting single copies of messages today, then double copies > > again, and now back to single copies. I'm not forwarding from any other > > addresses so I don't think it's my end. > > > > Cheers > > > > FoFP > > > > Perhaps you're turning schizophrenic? > only intermittently it would seem.... Maybe listserv has started giving free gifts in the form of extra messages to those it feels are worthy recipients. Should we start asking for airmiles perhaps? Can we persuade it to contact Hawkwind direct and demand a UK tour in lieu of the abandoned Hawkon? Is there any life out there? This is not a recording, a recording, a recording a rec... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 23 18:45:27 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:45:27 BST Subject: Found on the Web 2 In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Sat, 20 Apr 1996 16:04:07 -0400 Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > Hawkwind's 25th anniversary will climax in August with a special event near a > British castle with former membersd's Lemmy and writer > Michael Moorcock. > sorry - bad news. The HawkDisc people (Doug Smith) say this has had to be abandoned because the council objected to the noise level and wouldn't grant a licence. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 23 18:44:52 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:44:52 BST Subject: Cloned messages In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:18:20 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Swann writes: > M Holmes writes: > > > > I started getting single copies of messages today, then double copies > > again, and now back to single copies. I'm not forwarding from any other > > addresses so I don't think it's my end. > > > > Cheers > > > > FoFP > > > > Perhaps you're turning schizophrenic? Yeah, so am I. > Steve FoFP P.S. Ben's fixed it now so you can all quit sending two copies of everything :-) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 23 14:56:52 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 13:56:52 EST Subject: off: R. Thompson Message-ID: > > New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? > > From what I've heard of RT's new one, it's quite good (as one > might expect). Not sure if I can afford to pick it up just yet, especially > with all this new HW stuff coming out :) but I might catch him live > in Cambridge in May. > > Cheers, > Carl > It IS an amazing record, typically heart-wrenching. It's 2 discs, even though it all would have fit on one. One disc is called 'Voltage enhanced' and it's electric stuff. Disc two is 'Nude,' appropriately stripped to voice and acoustic guitar and bass. He repeats two songs on each disc, even though they wind up sounding very similar. In fact, the 'Voltage Enhanced' disc is pretty spare, not a lot of R.T.'s famed elec. gtr work. But I tell ya, if you like R.T., you've got to have this one. Even though it's a 2-disc set, it's low priced--it cost about 2 bucks more than a single cd. theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Tue Apr 23 18:57:14 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 18:57:14 BST Subject: Found on the Web 2 In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Mon, 22 Apr 1996 18:29:19 -0400 Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: > > > >Martyn White writes: > >> > >> > >> Out now from EBS/Griffin/Cargo is a live album, Undisclosed Files > >> Addendum, an ambient project called White Zone (as the Psychedelic Warriors) > >> and an album from reggae artist Capt. Rizz. Soon will be the release of a Dave > >> Brock solo album, more dance remixes, the legendary Weird tapes > > > (snip) > > > >> Hawkwind's 25th anniversary will climax in August with a special event near a > >> British castle with former membersd's Lemmy and writer > >> Michael Moorcock. > > > Ok, now I am really confused. I am under the impression that this is > "old news" but recently found on the internet. So, did I time warp > Friday night while in an "alternate" state of mind, or did I not see > Hawkwind perform their 25th aniversary tour called " The Spirit of the > Age Tour" in Cleveland last April? Isn't the solo album refered to above > "Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams"? ( I think I'm having one of these right now) > Arggggghhhh, I'm sooooo confused!! > Yep! Given that Hawkwind were first formed in 1969 (I think that's right!) then their 25th anniversary should have been in 1994. However they did their 25th Anniversary show in this country at Pentrich last year, 1995 and most of their other celebratory stuff was in 1995. However, with most of the planned celebrations not actually happening they carried forward most of their plans to this current year, 1996 and are now probably going to delay everything until 1997 now to celebrate the success of "Silver Machine" and thence into "Space Ritual" and so on..... The solo album will be Brock's "Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams" but I don't *think* the remixes have been released yet. Leastways I've seen them not. Yet. jill obSadSoundOnAWetMorning> waking up to hear the gently persistent sound of rain dripping - inside the house 8-((( ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 23 14:22:56 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:22:56 +0100 Subject: OFF: Re: R. Thompson In-Reply-To: <72441812FD9@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Apr 23, 96 01:56:52 pm Message-ID: > It IS an amazing record, typically heart-wrenching. It's 2 discs, > even though it all would have fit on one. One disc is called > 'Voltage enhanced' and it's electric stuff. Disc two is 'Nude,' > appropriately stripped to voice and acoustic guitar and bass. He > repeats two songs on each disc, even though they wind up sounding > very similar. In fact, the 'Voltage Enhanced' disc is pretty spare, > not a lot of R.T.'s famed elec. gtr work. But I tell ya, if you like > R.T., you've got to have this one. Even though it's a 2-disc set, > it's low priced--it cost about 2 bucks more than a single cd. I may try to get someone to pick it up in the States for me. I listened to some of Voltage Enhanced on a "listening post" here and it was pretty cool. "Put It There, Pal" seemed among the bleaker songs and most guitar pyrotechnic at the same time. RT is definately my favorite Strat player ;) _guitar/vocal_ is one of the selected CDs that crossed The Pond with me (along with _Palace Springs_, _Space Ritual_, _Imaginos_, _Secret Treaties_, and both Brain Surgeons discs to add a hint of topicality :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Apr 23 14:30:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:30:00 EDT Subject: HW: Found on the Web 2, VCD Message-ID: >Martyn White writes: > Hawkwind's 25th anniversary will climax in August with a special event near a > British castle with former membersd's Lemmy and writer > Michael Moorcock. > I went to the web site after it was 1st mentioned. There is one bit of information on the header at the site that was omitted and it puts a time frame on the content. The quoted text was written * March 30 1995*, not this year. It is from a Toronto newspaper from the looks. ************************************************************ Henrick, do you have full screen video or just the small window playing the VCD? From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 23 16:31:24 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:31:24 EST Subject: OFF: Re: R. Thompson Message-ID: Carl responds: > RT is definately my favorite Strat player ;) _guitar/vocal_ is Even though he doesn't always play a Strat. He uses a couple of custom instruments as well, but for sure he has a typical [well, as typical as anything he does could be!] Strat tone. > one of the selected CDs that crossed The Pond with me (along with I tend to prefer his more recent stuff. 'Mirror Blue' is a perfect album--plenty of creativity, and enough humor to counter the horribly depressing stuff, and the heartbroken ballads. Counting the new one, his last four albums are true works of art. > _Palace Springs_, _Space Ritual_, _Imaginos_, _Secret Treaties_, and both > Brain Surgeons discs to add a hint of topicality :) > A pretty healthy selection, there. Theo > New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue Apr 23 15:39:25 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:39:25 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Review of *Trepanation* In-Reply-To: <960420071908_276579201@emout12.mail.aol.com> from "HWillman@AOL.COM" at Apr 20, 96 07:19:09 am Message-ID: HWillman at AOL.COM writes: > > It sure must be nice to be able to say something like "I'd like to see the > Brain Surgeons do this song once, or that song once, maybe not so much of > that song, etc." Ummm... yeah, it is, actually. Having the opportunity of comparing performance quality and songlists from show to show is quite a luxury for a music fan... and if I sound like I'm griping, it's only because I never stop being a critic. Ever. :-) > Heck, I'd like to be able to see them do ANY song!!!! Even once!! > > IMHO, I think some of our (ever fortunate) East Coast members have become a > little "spoiled." I only wish I were so spoiled!! I suppose I shouldn't point out now that I spent 20 years in Buffalo, whose local music scene has so far only produced Billy Sheehan and the "Goo Goo Dolls". I've paid my dues. ;-) Steve From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Apr 23 15:54:55 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:54:55 -0400 Subject: BOC: Dino-tours Message-ID: Daniel writes- Does Al have some problem with Sweden? We have no problem with playing in Sweden. Or anywhere else, for that matter. Book the venue and send us the tickets, and we'll see you there. DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Apr 23 15:55:07 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 15:55:07 -0400 Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) Message-ID: Are these "negotiations" to stick more of Albert's photos on albums he didn't play on and advertisements for "original line-up" gigs where he's not appearing? Oh boy! Can't wait... From jguizar at EPIX.NET Mon Apr 22 16:05:19 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:05:19 +2000 Subject: Cloned messages In-Reply-To: <9604231648.aa00037@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> Message-ID: In <9604231648.aa00037 at uk.ac.ed.tattoo>, on 04/23/96 at 04:48 PM, M Holmes said: >I started getting single copies of messages today, then double copies >again, and now back to single copies. I'm not forwarding from any other >addresses so I don't think it's my end. How reliable is your news server? Could be they're experimenting with new software and do a backup and restore - restoring mail you've already recieved, new mail would be queued (hence doubles, singles, doubles)??? ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Apr 23 19:41:19 1996 From: skarsol at IX.NETCOM.COM (ronald l jennings) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 16:41:19 -0700 Subject: hawkwind:cotbs video cd Message-ID: At 05:53 PM 4/23/96 BST, you wrote: >ron jennings writes: > >> >I got a pal to transfer it to PAL VHS tape for me. >> could you find out how? rj > >I may see him on Thursday. > >You can use VHS PAL tapes though? I have two vcr's so can trade copies. no pal. i do the ntcs or whatever,but was thinking if i could just get the thing to work,i can handle it from there.your friend seems to be the only person on the face of the planet to have met any success. rj From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Apr 23 20:04:32 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 17:04:32 -0700 Subject: HW: 3 nice pieces o' vinyl FS Message-ID: I've got an extra copy of each of these. Make me an offer, if you'd like. All are near mint. Choose Your Masques Church of Hawkwind (w/booklet) Earthed to the Ground Wylie From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Tue Apr 23 20:36:05 1996 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:36:05 -0400 Subject: EBS Samples Message-ID: _The Emergency Broadcasting System Samples_ showed up in a store here, cheap. There's a sticker on it that says "Remix by Advent and Capt Rizz". What exactly is the nature of this remix? Are the tracks the same as the originals, or are they run together, or are they actually remixed into something really new? (They also got the digipak remasters of the early albums. At $30 for each single album and $50 for _Space Ritual_, I think I'll skip them...) From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Wed Apr 24 04:32:43 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 04:32:43 -0400 Subject: EBS Samples Message-ID: Ken asked: >There's a sticker on it that says "Remix by Advent and Capt Rizz". >What exactly is the nature of this remix? They're two separate tracks - the sticker is slightly misleading, I guess. The remix by Advent is the (slightly weedy, imo) dance track with some samples from "Sonic Attack", the one everybody has slagged off. The Capt Rizz track is a different beast, and is a straight excerpt from his own album, _Manifesto_. The sampler is just that, there's nothing on it that isn't available, or won't soon be available. - Andy ObCD: MC5 - _Back in the USA_ ObForthcomingGig - Brother Wayne Kramer! From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Apr 24 04:45:57 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:45:57 +0100 Subject: HW : Print runs and Where's WotEoT? Message-ID: Hi all, Just thought you might like read this note I recieved this morning.... I asked how many of the remasters had been produced, how many sold and *where's WotEoT*?! >Jon >EMI conference just finished and even though there was no mention of >your boys i managed to find out what you wanted: >total manufacture (UK) 4000 each >sales so far (UK) 2500 >Warrior on the edge.... license ran out no plans to get it again either >Thats all i can find out so far, hope its enough. >Dave So who's got the licence (see, Jill, I'm learning!) for WotEoT now? Griffin? -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 24 05:48:43 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 10:48:43 +0100 Subject: BOC: Eric on WotT and other things (long) In-Reply-To: <199604181749.NAA01306@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Apr 18, 96 01:49:42 pm Message-ID: > > What music do you currently listen to? > > > > I personally listen to all kinds of stuff. Biohazard, Prong, > > Machinehead, Deftones, love the White Zombie album of last year, Rage > > Against the Machine, Pantera, etc. I like very little of what is > > called Alternative, except maybe Stone Temple Pilots. > > I can't fault him here.... sounds like the stuff his son listens to... Well I dunno, I like what I've heard of Prong and White Zombie, but Pantera just seems silly to me. Biohazard and Machinehead don't do too much for me either. I've only seen STP on MTV, and for a grungoid band they weren't too bad--though I actually got more of a kick out of Alice in Chains :) > > Buck reads all his stuff. I am more into fantasy and sci-fi, than > > horror. I also like techno-thrillers. Looking for a good read? Try > > 'Hyperion' or the William Gibson books. > > My opinion of him goes up somewhat. 'Hyperion' is on my short list as one > of the greatest s-f books of all time. Haven't read Hyperion, but I got progressively more and more bogged down in Gibson. I gave up in frustration partway into his third book (ya know, Neuromancer, then the nest one, and then the one after that). I liked his short stories much better--I think the man just went berserk in a longer format and it became more are more difficult to distinguish the story. Now the first two Neal Stephenson books I quite enjoyed, even though _Snow Crash_ began to bog a bit at the end, IMHO ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 24 06:25:37 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:25:37 +0100 Subject: EBS Samples In-Reply-To: <960424043241_279388763@emout09.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Apr 24, 96 04:32:43 am Message-ID: > They're two separate tracks - the sticker is slightly misleading, I guess. > The remix by Advent is the (slightly weedy, imo) dance track with some > samples from "Sonic Attack", the one everybody has slagged off. I'm going to take this opporuntity to slag it off again: it's *crap* :) The worst thing about it is that Alan Davey's track (which is pretty cool) is segued into it on the sampler disc and so at the very end of "Higher Than Before" the incredibly lame drum machine from "Sonic Destruction fires up. There's no escaping it even through programing the CD player :P Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Apr 24 06:32:03 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:32:03 +0200 Subject: BOC: Eric on WotT and other things (long) Message-ID: Well, I've never seen BOC but I've seen all of the bands below, except for= =20 STP...=20 Carl wrote: > Well I dunno, I like what I've heard of Prong and White >Zombie, but Pantera just seems silly to me. Biohazard and Machinehead >don't do too much for me either. I've only seen STP on MTV, and for a >grungoid band they weren't too bad--though I actually got more of a kick >out of Alice in Chains :) I've allways looked upon STP as a AIC-copy, I don't think they've done=20 anything interesting at all.=20 Carl, I totally agree -Pantera is silly! But so is White Zombie too. I just can't accept the fact that they (White Zombie -I've got other=20 problems with Pantera... :-) ) seem to think their image is more importent= =20 than the music they are playing... Last summer I saw Biohazard live for the first time... and LAST. If White Zombie is trying to sell Cds just using their "cool" image,=20 Biohazard uses their (and I think it feels a bit forced!) attitude in the=20 same way. Med vaenlig haelsning -Daniel - "Jag har en papegoja -s=E5 jag best=E4mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 24 06:57:30 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:57:30 +0100 Subject: BOC: Eric on WotT and other things (long) In-Reply-To: <199604241032.MAA03016@mcfs1.mc.hik.se> from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Apr 24, 96 12:32:03 pm Message-ID: > > Well I dunno, I like what I've heard of Prong and White > >Zombie, but Pantera just seems silly to me. Biohazard and Machinehead > >don't do too much for me either. I've only seen STP on MTV, and for a > >grungoid band they weren't too bad--though I actually got more of a kick > >out of Alice in Chains :) > > I've allways looked upon STP as a AIC-copy, I don't think they've done=20 > anything interesting at all.=20 Well, I didn't think STP were _interesting_ I just thought there were worse things on MTV. STP didn't make me instantly want to throw large heavy objects at the TV ;) > Carl, I totally agree -Pantera is silly! But so is White Zombie too. > I just can't accept the fact that they (White Zombie -I've got other=20 > problems with Pantera... :-) ) seem to think their image is more importent= > =20 > than the music they are playing... That is a valid criticism of White Zombie, but I'm not _always_ looking for highly meaningful music. White Zombie (I'm not actually sure I've heard anything from their last album) are silly rock'n'roll fun, and I like that sometimes. No matter how image oriented they may be, it's not like they don't know it. I remember a quote of theirs from an interview which said "the best things that ever happened to music were wah-wah pedals and explosions. All you need is the theme from "Shaft" and something blowing up!" Now that has a certain barbaric, naive appeal :) There are enough substance-less bands trying to pretend they are deep and serious, that I don't mind a substance-less band which is happy that way ;) > Last summer I saw Biohazard live for the first time... and LAST. > If White Zombie is trying to sell Cds just using their "cool" image,=20 > Biohazard uses their (and I think it feels a bit forced!) attitude in the=20 > same way. Yeah, but I like White Zombies' dumb image better. Those guys in Biohazard look like they need *lots* of laxatives. ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Apr 24 07:35:00 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:35:00 +0200 Subject: BOC: Eric on WotT and other things (long) Message-ID: > Well, I didn't think STP were _interesting_ I just thought there >were worse things on MTV. STP didn't make me instantly want to throw >large heavy objects at the TV ;) Hey, why not? I think you should try it! Once at least. I bought STP's first Cd (I think it's called "Core") in a moment of weakness= =20 when it first came out...I still don't know why... I hate it. :-) I can send it to you so can you throw it at the TV... I think it could be= fun. BAM -"Core" straight in the face of the singer... ;-) >> Carl, I totally agree -Pantera is silly! But so is White Zombie too. >> I just can't accept the fact that they (White Zombie -I've got other=3D20 >> problems with Pantera... :-) ) seem to think their image is more= importent=3D >> =3D20 >> than the music they are playing... > > That is a valid criticism of White Zombie, but I'm not _always_ >looking for highly meaningful music. White Zombie (I'm not actually sure >I've heard anything from their last album) are silly rock'n'roll fun, >and I like that sometimes. Pure and simple rock'n'roll is often very enjoyable but when the band=20 creates this kind of "Clown-Cartoon" image I just can't stand it. Maybe it's because I'm Swedish... we don't like exaggerations... You should know, shouldn't you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eller hur? > There are enough substance-less bands trying to pretend they >are deep and serious, that I don't mind a substance-less band which >is happy that way ;) True!!! > >> Last summer I saw Biohazard live for the first time... and LAST. >> If White Zombie is trying to sell Cds just using their "cool" image,=3D20 >> Biohazard uses their (and I think it feels a bit forced!) attitude in= the=3D20 >> same way. > > Yeah, but I like White Zombies' dumb image better. Those guys in >Biohazard look like they need *lots* of laxatives. ;) > Hahahahaha! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)= =20 I give up! (...but I've allready got all of White Zombies' cds). -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s=E5 jag best=E4mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Apr 24 07:49:36 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:49:36 +0200 Subject: BOC: Eric on WotT and other things (long) Message-ID: Carl: One band just came to my mind... and I think you know who they are, 'cause= =20 you're living in the UK -Terrorvision! They are, what you call, "silly rock'n'roll fun. I listen to them very much and I like it...I think they're making brilliant music WITH humour! -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s=E5 jag best=E4mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Apr 24 09:14:00 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:14:00 -0400 Subject: EBS Samples In-Reply-To: <199604240036.UAA23813@quip.eecs.umich.edu> from "Ken Alexander" at Apr 23, 96 08:36:05 pm Message-ID: Ken Alexander writes: > > (They also got the digipak remasters of the early albums. At $30 for > each single album and $50 for _Space Ritual_, I think I'll skip them...) You can get them from CD NOW for about $26 each ($36 for Space Ritual), or from Ranjit for a couple of bucks less. Don't skip them. They're priceless gems. Steve From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 24 10:21:34 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:21:34 EST Subject: blotto Message-ID: Daniel says: > Carl: > > One band just came to my mind... and I think you know who they are, 'cause= > =20 > you're living in the UK -Terrorvision! > They are, what you call, "silly rock'n'roll fun. I listen to them very much > and I like it...I think they're making brilliant music WITH humour! > > -Daniel > Have you guys ever listened to Blotto? I don't think they're together anymore, but they were a hard rockin' group who had a lot of humor. One of them collaborated on BOC's 'Dragon Lady' from 'Rev. by Night.' Buck is prominently featured on their video 'Metalhead.' Sample song titles: 'I wanna be a Lifeguard,' 'She's Got a Big Boyfriend.' And don't forget the Pearlman/Krugman produced Dictators, with references to EB in their songs. Some may find some of their songs racist, but I prefer to think of them as iconoclastic: if you pick on everyone, how can you be called prejudiced? theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Apr 24 09:31:05 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:31:05 -0400 Subject: HW : Print runs and Where's WotEoT? In-Reply-To: from "Jon Browne" at Apr 24, 96 09:45:57 am Message-ID: Jon Browne writes: > > Hi all, > > Just thought you might like read this note I recieved this morning.... > I asked how many of the remasters had been produced, how many sold and > *where's WotEoT*?! Well, although I'm not as fanatical about WotEoT as many on the list, I think that in this case, it's the obvious choice for the next remastering job. Not just because it comes next "chronologically", or because it's rated such a classic by fans, but because it NEEDS this remastering. The CDs, are lacking the incredible, piercing beauty that the vinyl had - case in point, the synth/flute intro to The Golden Void. On vinyl, that passage is beautiful enough to tear your heart in half; on CD, it sounds like you're hearing it through a cotton sheet. Not an actual blanket - Griffin did about as good a job as could be expected without going "all out" like EMI just did. :-) But going all out is exactly what WotEoT requires, because it *has* that incredible sonic quality, somewhere hidden behind a good but not superlative CD tansfer. Believe it or not, *now* I'm waiting on _Live Chronicles_ to be re-done. :-) As fine as the CDs are, they just don't have the sonic quality of the vinyl - the guitars are mixed too far into the background, in favor of those hissy synthesizers. The balance on the new EMI releases is *perfect*, almost unbelievably so. Steve From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Apr 24 09:47:19 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:47:19 -0400 Subject: BOC: Eric on WotT and other things (long) In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Apr 24, 96 10:48:43 am Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > > What music do you currently listen to? > > > > > > I personally listen to all kinds of stuff. Biohazard, Prong, > > > Machinehead, Deftones, love the White Zombie album of last year, Rage > > > Against the Machine, Pantera, etc. I like very little of what is > > > called Alternative, except maybe Stone Temple Pilots. > > > > I can't fault him here.... sounds like the stuff his son listens to... > > Well I dunno, I like what I've heard of Prong and White > Zombie, but Pantera just seems silly to me. Biohazard and Machinehead > don't do too much for me either. I've only seen STP on MTV, and for a > grungoid band they weren't too bad--though I actually got more of a kick > out of Alice in Chains :) Even the Grunge list called them the Stoned Tempo Pirates. Couldn't make up their minds whether they wanted to be Alice In Chains or Pearl Sham. Alice in Chains *was* cool - at least, before their vocalist started taking too many drugs, and went completely looney. Their latest stuff has too much of their trademark dissonance, and not enough of the hard-kicking melodies. Prong is pretty cool, even if they are kind of a one-trick pony. I mostly agree with your assessment of Pantera, although they almost redeemed the silliness of their existence by providing the Headbanger's Ball's uniquely identifying "commercial break" shriek (a snippet from the completely-over-the-top "Fucking Hostile"). Who needs White Zombie, though, when we've got Gwar? > Haven't read Hyperion, but I got progressively more and more bogged > down in Gibson. I gave up in frustration partway into his third book > (ya know, Neuromancer, then the nest one, and then the one after that). > I liked his short stories much better--I think the man just went berserk > in a longer format and it became more are more difficult to distinguish > the story. Funny thing is, I read Neuromancer, back before Gibsom became Pope Cyberpunk, and I thought it was one of the most undistinguished novels I've ever plodded my weary way through. I occasionally wonder if I missed something fundamental, there, or if it's just *everybody else* who're wrong. ;-) Steve From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Apr 24 09:53:40 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:53:40 -0400 Subject: BOC: Eric on WotT and other things (long) In-Reply-To: <199604241135.NAA03201@mcfs1.mc.hik.se> from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Apr 24, 96 01:35:00 pm Message-ID: Daniel Wikdahl writes: > > Maybe it's because I'm Swedish... we don't like exaggerations... > You should know, shouldn't you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eller hur? Say, isn't Sweden the place where a bunch of death metal bands started killing each other off a while back, to promote their image? ;-) Steve P.S. Daniel, if you have the option of turning off the MIME encoding in your mailer, would you do so? Many of us are using mailers that don't handle MIME very well. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Apr 24 15:06:11 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 15:06:11 BST Subject: HW : Print runs and Where's WotEoT? In-Reply-To: Jon Browne's message of Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:45:57 +0100 Message-ID: > >total manufacture (UK) 4000 each > >sales so far (UK) 2500 Damn! I'd better buy the rest PDQ! Dave. From eqshw.blauchno at STATE.UT.US Wed Apr 24 10:37:42 1996 From: eqshw.blauchno at STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 08:37:42 -0600 Subject: OTHER: Hyperion, STP, Alice in chains.... Message-ID: Carl wrote: >I've only seen STP on MTV, and for a grungoid band they weren't too >bad--though I actually got more of a kick out of Alice in Chains :) STP is a pretty decent band. Nothing spectacular, but they are a couple of notches above most. Sorta like Zeppelin. Alice in chains can be very good to fairly mediocre. All IMHO of course. (I grew up on BOC, Zeppelin, Rainbow, Aerosmith, etc. so my opinion may be a bit biased ;)) >> 'Hyperion' is on my short list as one >> of the greatest s-f books of all time. > Haven't read Hyperion, but I got progressively more and more >bogged down in Gibson. Well, I don't read a lot of sci-fi, mostly fnatasy, but I have read Hyperion. Damn good book. Though some others didn't care for the sequel, "Fall of Hyperion", I thought it was excellent too. Read both if you have the time. Brad L. blauchno at state.ut.us From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Apr 24 10:35:56 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 16:35:56 +0200 Subject: BOC: Eric on WotT and other things (long) Message-ID: I wrote: >> >> Maybe it's because I'm Swedish... we don't like exaggerations... >> You should know, shouldn't you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eller hur? Steve wrote: >Say, isn't Sweden the place where a bunch of death metal bands started >killing each other off a while back, to promote their image? ;-) No, they were from Norway (you meen bands like "Burzum","Mayhem", etc etc=20 right?) BTW are there no Norwegians on the list at all? >Steve > >P.S. Daniel, if you have the option of turning off the MIME encoding >in your mailer, would you do so? Many of us are using mailers that >don't handle MIME very well. > I know that... I can see it on every Re-mail I get from mailers on the= list... BUT I'm not using MIME -I'm using Bin-Hex... and I can't shut them both=20 off... I must use one of them... Can you tell me which is the best for you? -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s=E5 jag best=E4mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Apr 24 10:49:34 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:49:34 -0500 Subject: blotto In-Reply-To: "Ted O. Jackson" "blotto" (Apr 24, 9:21am) Message-ID: Ted O. Jackson wrote: > Have you guys ever listened to Blotto? I don't think they're > together anymore, but they were a hard rockin' group who had a lot of > humor. One of them collaborated on BOC's 'Dragon Lady' from 'Rev. by > Night.' Buck is prominently featured on their video 'Metalhead.' > Sample song titles: 'I wanna be a Lifeguard,' 'She's Got a Big > Boyfriend.' I think I saw Blotto open for BOC once. Are these the same guys that have songs like "James Bond Must Die" and something about destroying smurfs? If this is them, I remember them being pretty entertaining on stage. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 "The fashion these days is towards the tiny..." "Well, in that case, Percy, you have the most fashionable brain in Britain." -- Percy and Edmund : Head From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 24 12:19:14 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:19:14 EST Subject: blotto Message-ID: Frank says: > Ted O. Jackson wrote: > > Have you guys ever listened to Blotto? I don't think they're > > together anymore, but they were a hard rockin' group who had a lot of > > humor. One of them collaborated on BOC's 'Dragon Lady' from 'Rev. by > > Night.' Buck is prominently featured on their video 'Metalhead.' > > Sample song titles: 'I wanna be a Lifeguard,' 'She's Got a Big > > Boyfriend.' > > I think I saw Blotto open for BOC once. Are these the same guys that > have songs like "James Bond Must Die" and something about destroying > smurfs? If this is them, I remember them being pretty entertaining on > stage. > > Frank I'm not sure about killing Smurfs, but I believe Blotto has a song called: 'Goodbye Mr. Bond." I only saw them once myself, and I have one of their records, so I can check that one. It's quite likely that they opened for BOC at some point in their careers. The gtr player was a geeky, Clark Kent-looking dude with a bow tie [in fact, his name is Bow Tie Blotto. They're all named Blotto--the best is singer Lee Harvey Blotto!]. The bass player has a shaved head. theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Apr 24 11:53:56 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:53:56 +0200 Subject: blotto Message-ID: >Have you guys ever listened to Blotto? I don't think they're >together anymore, but they were a hard rockin' group who had a lot of >humor. One of them collaborated on BOC's 'Dragon Lady' from 'Rev. by >Night.' Buck is prominently featured on their video 'Metalhead.' >Sample song titles: 'I wanna be a Lifeguard,' 'She's Got a Big >Boyfriend.' And don't forget the Pearlman/Krugman produced >Dictators, with references to EB in their songs. Some may find some >of their songs racist, but I prefer to think of them as iconoclastic: >if you pick on everyone, how can you be called prejudiced? >theo > > Which label are (were) they on? I'll try to check 'em out... And this racist discussion reminds me of Type-O-Negative, I think they are= =20 in a similar situation. -Daniel > "Jag har en papegoja -s=E5 jag best=E4mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Apr 24 12:04:16 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:04:16 -0500 Subject: OTHER: RE: Hyperion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, Brad M. Lauchnor wrote: > >> 'Hyperion' is on my short list as one > >> of the greatest s-f books of all time. > > > Haven't read Hyperion, but I got progressively more and more > >bogged down in Gibson. > > Well, I don't read a lot of sci-fi, mostly fnatasy, but I have read Hyperion. > Damn good book. Though some others didn't care for the sequel, "Fall of > Hyperion", I thought it was excellent too. Read both if you have the time. _Hyperion_ is perhaps the single finest book of SF I have ever read, second perhaps only to _Dune_. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Apr 24 12:18:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:18:00 EDT Subject: HW: Chronicles VCD Message-ID: I have been "talking" with the vendors of the Chronicles VCD and found out the following tidbit. ---------- >Any thought to releasing it as a VHS video, or does the other release of it >muddy the waters? yeah, we are going to issue it as an extended edition (1997) and delete the original -- John Bentham Visionary Communications / Screen Edge http://www.state51.co.uk/visionary/ http://www.state51.co.uk/screenedge/ Po Box 30, Lytham St.Annes, FY8 1RF, England. Tel. +44 1253 712453 / Fax. +44 1253 712362 From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Apr 24 12:23:42 1996 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 11:23:42 -0500 Subject: HW: US Covers: Update Message-ID: Hi all, I've rec'd the tapes (yesterday--wow that box was heavy), and money from Chris Stier, Chris Baxley, Rob Jennings, and Jerry Guizar thus far. We're still waiting on word on the IQ cover from Jerry as to whether or not it'll be in the set after all (not rec'd yet thought its on the tape labels). Once that's resolved, we can begin duplication immediately. If you haven't sent in the $13.60 to $15 (depending on your inherent generosity :-) for your covers yet, please do so ASAP, as I expect the $385 to show up on my Amex this coming statement... I'm at: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. 2327 Murphy Dr. #10 Lawrence KS 66046-3959 USA Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. RPG Writer/Reviewer. Outer God. iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Nomad of the Time Streams. Poet. Visit the Dreaming City: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~iscladoc/imrryr.html "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Apr 24 12:43:35 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:43:35 +0100 Subject: BOC: Eric on WotT and other things (long) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 24 Apr 1996 09:47:19 EDT." <199604241347.JAA24869@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: > > > > Well I dunno, I like what I've heard of Prong and White > > Zombie, but Pantera just seems silly to me. Biohazard and Machinehead > > don't do too much for me either. I've only seen STP on MTV, and for a > > grungoid band they weren't too bad--though I actually got more of a kick > > out of Alice in Chains :) Hmm, maybe I've been working for BT too long, but there are days when all I want to listen when I get home are the likes of Pantera/Slayer/Machinehead. Guess it stops me putting a boot through the Sparc station ;-) (mondo kudos for the Biohazard laxative quip though Carl :-) :-) > Prong is pretty cool, even if they are kind of a one-trick pony. I dunno, it may be one trick at a time, but the pony has been through several. From what I've heard, each Prong album goes a different way. Still hasn't made me a rabid fan though. > mostly agree with your assessment of Pantera, although they almost > redeemed the silliness of their existence by providing the > Headbanger's Ball's uniquely identifying "commercial break" shriek (a > snippet from the completely-over-the-top "Fucking Hostile"). > > Who needs White Zombie, though, when we've got Gwar? Well .... ish, to a point. I'd far rather listen to WZ than GWAR. Zombie might use image as crutch, but heck, GWAR utterly rely on it. I'd agree more with Carl; they're not aspiring to anything more than they can attain. > Funny thing is, I read Neuromancer, back before Gibsom became Pope > Cyberpunk, and I thought it was one of the most undistinguished novels > I've ever plodded my weary way through. I occasionally wonder if I > missed something fundamental, there, or if it's just *everybody else* > who're wrong. ;-) No Steve, for once entertain the thought that you *are* wrong ;-) Tim From stayer at PI.NET Tue Apr 23 23:04:18 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 20:04:18 PDT Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) Message-ID: Theo wrote: >classical scholars out there, is it Cronos or Kronos? Kronos is better than Cronos, which does not seem to exist. The official name should be Cronus. Weird, actually. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Apr 23 22:52:59 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:52:59 PDT Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) Message-ID: Andy wrote to Theo: >Of course you're right, because you know the whole song and its context. >if you're a neo-Nazi with limited English and an even more limited sense of >irony - or a tabloid journalist, ditto - you might easily think the song >glorifies Nazism. I've no idea whether BOC did or did not play "Me 262" in >Germany, but they might well have been keen to avoid anything that might >associate them (however misguidedly) with Nazism. After all, they were >already sailing pretty close to the wind with the hooked cross emblem. I agree. Tunnel vision can be pretty dangerous. It is fuel on the fire of prejudice (or are they the same or unconditionally connected?). (I have already talked to Theo about this.) About the symbol (the swastika, not Saturn), used to be a symbol for 'life', a bit like Egyptian 'ankh'. It was oulded into another meaning by some terrible things in the fourties. I know about a story on this one. In Finland, the (naval) merchant service use the swastika as their symbol, on their flags. When they celebrated their umpteenth anniversary, the Finnish ambassey put out these flags, and got a lot of angry phone calls of course. Their symbol differs from the one with the bad name in colour (it's light blue) and stands upright on one of the corners. Some things are taken away out of their original context... Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Apr 23 22:33:24 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:33:24 PDT Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) Message-ID: >> >Does/Did BOC do ME-262 live there? Or did they skip this on those >> >occasions? I knew you would be replying to this, Theo! :-) >I don't see what the problem would be in playing ME 262. [cut] >Or perhaps the way the song revels in warfare >imagery without showing any consideration for the negative? The >almost matter-of-fact references to burning planes, bombing cities, >etc., but that kind of nonchalance could hardly be ascribed only to >Germans. Let's make a division into Germans (born in Germany) and Nazis (holding nazi sympathies); not /necessarily/ connected. If everyone in Europe would do that, there would be a lot less prejudice against Germans. Unfortunately, still many people are referring to Germans as 'Moffen'. (I don't if in English it's another word, but I guess you know what I mean.) Maybe a 'Mof' was a compliment way before WWII, I don't know. And the people who use the word don't know either, so they confess they're using it in the way it was used during WWII. >Are the skinheads that much a factor? Do Germans feel uncomfortable that >there could be a legit. nazi resurgence? Or uncomfortable that deep >down they might agree with the nazis? Skinheads = nazi, you mean? Not necessarily, I thought. But anyway, there's quite a movement of amazingly stupid people who believe in some words some guy with some brain and the power to rule the stupid. There's quite a lot of demonstrations going on by them and against them. It's not only the Germans who think there could be a legit nazi resurgence. A lot of people I know (from Holland, Germany, Belgium, France, and England) have had serious problems with the way France is pushing their will (correct English?). A thing that bothers me is that some people I talk with, say they don't sympathise, but they can understand people use their vote on the right-extremists as a protest to government, who are not listening. The fact that people can think like that frightens me. >Simply grist for debate, but >I'd be interested in the views of Euro-rockers on this stuf Besides the news, I rarely watch tv. Recently I saw some kind of 'talk show for the braindead' (you know which shows I mean) with a couple of guys from KKK. They think (if that's the word) and act the same way as those nationalistic fucks I saw on the news. Someone asked them a question, no one dared / was able to answer. What I mean, it's not a European matter I think. It happens all around. unfortunately. Anyway, interesting enough? >New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? Style? Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Apr 23 22:23:33 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:23:33 PDT Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) Message-ID: >>reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM wrote: >>Does/Did BOC do ME-262 live there? Or did they skip this on those >>occasions? >Hans-Joergen wrote: >I've never seen them doing M.E. 262. Though I have to admit I've seen them >only 3 times live, as I, originally coming from classical music, discovered >BOC relatively lately. 1984-01-27, Messe Halle, Sindelfingen, Germany track one(!): ME-262 (3:15) 1988-02-26, Jovel, Munster, Germany track nine: ME-262 (4:04) I have two other tapes from gigs in Germany (1989-04-03, Stadthalle, Offenbach and 1992-09-24, Stadthalle Mulheim, Koeln), but they did not play ME-262 there. >I can only guess, BOC thus tried to avoid being associated with German >NeoNazi movement That would be a wise thing to do for everybody, isn't it? >who possibly could be attracted by lines like "Hitler's on >the phone from Freiburg"... :-) I though Hitler was calling from Berlin, and Goering was on the phone from Freiburg! >Anyway, apart from this, M.E. 262 is next to "Stairways to the stars" one my >all-time BOC favourites - OK only if you have a look on these type of >hardrocking, rhythm dominated stuff. ;-) Er... I'd prefer somewhat more melodic stuff (like Nosferatu), but also the heavier songs (when they're melodic / diverse... still a progrock fan, aren't I?), like: Black Blade, Siege And Investiture and the likes. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Tue Apr 23 22:18:52 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:18:52 PDT Subject: Regarding: BOC-L Digest - 22 Apr 1996 to 23 Apr 1996 Message-ID: Seb, Sorry to hear you have to leave. At least, until you have a PC etc at home. >A good guide I find is the In Concert magazine, especially about this >time of year as it has all the open air festivals in it. In Concert magazine? I've never heard of it. In what country is it being issued? Who is the publisher? Thanks, Jerry From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Apr 24 12:55:16 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:55:16 +0100 Subject: BOC: Eric on WotT and other things (long) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 24 Apr 1996 10:48:43 BST." Message-ID: > Haven't read Hyperion, but I got progressively more and more bogged > down in Gibson. I gave up in frustration partway into his third book > (ya know, Neuromancer, then the nest one, and then the one after that). > I liked his short stories much better--I think the man just went berserk > in a longer format and it became more are more difficult to distinguish > the story. Ah yes. _Hinterlands_ & _Fragments of a Hologram Rose_ are the dog's proverbial .... > Now the first two Neal Stephenson books I quite enjoyed, even > though _Snow Crash_ began to bog a bit at the end, IMHO ... I assume you mean Snow Crash & Diamond Age. I must confess whilst I fairly burnt through Snow Crash, Diamond Age is taking a lot longer. I think its fairly nifty how Stephenson crafts his writing style to the feel of the story (i.e. hip & slick for SC), but, this means flowery & extended to reflect the Neo-Vicks, which makes it a bit less consumable. I think Mr Drexler had a few too many words in Neal's shell-like also... Tim From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Wed Apr 24 13:03:04 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:03:04 +0200 Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) Message-ID: Jerry writes; >(I have already talked to Theo about this.) About the symbol (the swastika, >not Saturn), used to be a symbol for 'life', a bit like Egyptian 'ankh'. It >was oulded into another meaning by some terrible things in the fourties. >I know about a story on this one. In Finland, the (naval) merchant service >use the swastika as their symbol, on their flags. When they celebrated= their >umpteenth anniversary, the Finnish ambassey put out these flags, and got a >lot of angry phone calls of course. During the WWII Swedish volunteers fought for Finland against the= Russians... (We didn't take part in the war as you know... if you don't mix Sweden and= =20 Norway up again... ;-) =20 There were mostly infantry but also a few planes. The Swedish goverment=20 wanted to emphasize it were volunteers who were fighting and not any regular= =20 Swedish troops/forces so they painted (blue) swastikas on the wings...=20 -Daniel - "Jag har en papegoja -s=E5 jag best=E4mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 24 14:12:55 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:12:55 EST Subject: blotto Message-ID: > >Have you guys ever listened to Blotto? I don't think they're > >together anymore, but they were a hard rockin' group who had a lot of > >humor. One of them collaborated on BOC's 'Dragon Lady' from 'Rev. by > >Night.' Buck is prominently featured on their video 'Metalhead.' > >Sample song titles: 'I wanna be a Lifeguard,' 'She's Got a Big > >Boyfriend.' And don't forget the Pearlman/Krugman produced > >Dictators, with references to EB in their songs. Some may find some > >of their songs racist, but I prefer to think of them as iconoclastic: > >if you pick on everyone, how can you be called prejudiced? > >theo > > > > > > Which label are (were) they on? > I'll try to check 'em out... > > And this racist discussion reminds me of Type-O-Negative, I think they are= > =20 > in a similar situation. > > -Daniel > > That's a good quest. The LP I have was an indie, I think, or at least a small one. I do know that someone recently released a 'best of' set from them on CD, and that may have been a bigger label. Probably no trouble finding that one, though the early stuff is likely OP. Poor sheltered one that I am, I've never heard Type-O. The dictators had two songs that COULD offend [at least politically, their whole oeuvre might likely offend some musically as well!] e.g. 'Back to Africa,' and 'Master Race Rock,' though the latter says nothing whatever negative about any ethnic group, but rather proclaims the band as members of the master race, and then lists m,any of the dubious distinctions which qualify them as such. Just the title would offend. 'Back to Africa' is racist, plain and simple. theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 24 14:18:24 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:18:24 EST Subject: kronos/busted cross? Message-ID: Jerry on the hooked cross: > (I have already talked to Theo about this.) About the symbol (the swastika, > not Saturn), used to be a symbol for 'life', a bit like Egyptian 'ankh'. It > was oulded into another meaning by some terrible things in the fourties. I'm quite sure I've seen the swastika in some form associated with ancient korean martial arts. Any Tae Kwons out there to verify? Also, hasn't a form of the busted cross been associated with ancient Hindu rituals? theo > New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 24 13:20:12 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:20:12 +0100 Subject: BOC: Eric on WotT and other things (long) In-Reply-To: <199604241135.NAA03201@mcfs1.mc.hik.se> from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Apr 24, 96 01:35:00 pm Message-ID: > >STP didn't make me instantly want to throw > >large heavy objects at the TV ;) > > Hey, why not? I think you should try it! Once at least. > I bought STP's first Cd (I think it's called "Core") in a moment of weakness= > =20 > when it first came out...I still don't know why... I hate it. :-) > I can send it to you so can you throw it at the TV... I think it could be= > fun. > BAM -"Core" straight in the face of the singer... ;-) Well, unfortunately I don't have a TV right now to throw it at! And I was wise enough not to buy the CD ;) > Pure and simple rock'n'roll is often very enjoyable but when the band=20 > creates this kind of "Clown-Cartoon" image I just can't stand it. > Maybe it's because I'm Swedish... we don't like exaggerations... > You should know, shouldn't you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eller hur? Det ma^ste vara min dansk blod! ;) med ha:lsingar, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 24 13:26:07 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:26:07 +0100 Subject: BOC: Eric on WotT and other things (long) In-Reply-To: <199604241353.JAA25073@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Apr 24, 96 09:53:40 am Message-ID: Steve Swann writes: > Daniel Wikdahl writes: > > Maybe it's because I'm Swedish... we don't like exaggerations... > > You should know, shouldn't you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eller hur? > > Say, isn't Sweden the place where a bunch of death metal bands started > killing each other off a while back, to promote their image? ;-) Nah, that was Norway and what else can you expect? ;) This is a true story: I once, on request, told a Norwegian joke to a Norwegian guy--What do you call a Swede with his brains blown out? Answer = a Norwegian. He didn't get it! We are not making this up :) Cheers, Carl "incomprehensible ethnic slurs are us" Anderson ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 24 13:31:25 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:31:25 +0100 Subject: BOC: Eric on WotT and other things (long) In-Reply-To: <199604241655.RAA16916@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Apr 24, 96 05:55:16 pm Message-ID: > > Now the first two Neal Stephenson books I quite enjoyed, even > > though _Snow Crash_ began to bog a bit at the end, IMHO ... > > I assume you mean Snow Crash & Diamond Age. No, I meant _Zodiac_ and _Snow Crash_! Haven't read _Diamond Age_ and I don't know if _Zodiac_ was published in the UK. Kind of a very near future eco-thriller, and quite good :) > I must confess whilst I fairly > burnt through Snow Crash, Diamond Age is taking a lot longer. Well, I also burned through _Snow Crash_, which may be why I began to feel a bit weary at the end ;) But any book which utterly takes the piss on cyberpunk can't be that bad no matter how you look at it :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Apr 24 13:34:37 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:34:37 +0100 Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) In-Reply-To: <199604241703.TAA04683@mcfs1.mc.hik.se> from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Apr 24, 96 07:03:04 pm Message-ID: >(I have already talked to Theo about this.) About the symbol (the swastika, >not Saturn), used to be a symbol for 'life', a bit like Egyptian 'ankh'. It >was oulded into another meaning by some terrible things in the fourties. The "swastika" is an ancient symbol of good luck, associated with Indo-European sky/thunder gods (i.e. Thorr/Tor) and that is precisely why the Nazis appropriated it. In places where its meaning wasn't so grossly perverted, like India, it retains its original function. Cheers, Carl "Folklore & Mythology" Anderson ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Apr 24 13:42:50 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 12:42:50 -0500 Subject: kronos/busted cross? In-Reply-To: "Ted O. Jackson" "kronos/busted cross?" (Apr 24, 1:18pm) Message-ID: Ted O. Jackson wrote: > Jerry on the hooked cross: > > > (I have already talked to Theo about this.) About the symbol (the swastika, > > not Saturn), used to be a symbol for 'life', a bit like Egyptian 'ankh'. It > > was oulded into another meaning by some terrible things in the fourties. > > I'm quite sure I've seen the swastika in some form associated with > ancient korean martial arts. Any Tae Kwons out there to verify? > Also, hasn't a form of the busted cross been associated with ancient > Hindu rituals? According to my dictionary, the swastika is of ancient origin, with the word coming from Sanskrit meaning "well being", and "benediction". It is a mystic symbol among American Indian tribes, and in India, Japan, Persia, etc. This swastika has the extensions bent in a counter-clockwise direction. The Nazi swastika has the extensions bent in a clockwise direction (mirror image of the original swastika). Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Matt Groening, creator of "The Simpsons", speaking on fans of "The Simpsons": I have this comic strip called 'Life In Hell', which runs in 200 newspapers, and I get a lot of fan mail from generally articulate, literate people. And now I walk down the street and I see people wearing Simpsons t-shirts who I'm afraid might beat me up, so the quality of fans has broadened. The people who are my fans now frighten me. -- "Newsweek" magazine, June 18, 1990, page 13 From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Apr 24 14:52:25 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:52:25 EST Subject: off:skinheads/neo-nazis Message-ID: Jerry on ME 262 imagery: > > Let's make a division into Germans (born in Germany) and Nazis (holding nazi > sympathies); not /necessarily/ connected. If everyone in Europe would do > that, there would be a lot less prejudice against Germans. Unfortunately, > still many people are referring to Germans as 'Moffen'. (I don't if in > English it's another word, but I guess you know what I mean.) Maybe a 'Mof' > was a compliment way before WWII, I don't know. And the people who use the > word don't know either, so they confess they're using it in the way it was > used during WWII. Right! A dumb choice of words on my part, but the song IS set in WWII germany. Hell, we've got far too many nazis right here in the good ol' USA. > > >Are the skinheads that much a factor? Do Germans feel uncomfortable that > >there could be a legit. nazi resurgence? Or uncomfortable that deep > >down they might agree with the nazis? > > Skinheads = nazi, you mean? Not necessarily, I thought. But anyway, there's > quite a movement of amazingly stupid people who believe in some words some > guy with some brain and the power to rule the stupid. There's quite a lot of > demonstrations going on by them and against them. It's not only the Germans There are musical skinheads [who, I'm told, have no violent political leanings, but simply enjoy skinhead music], skinheads who just use their shared look as a means for violence against anyone they're prejudiced against: gays, blacks, arabs etc., and some who actually have a political agenda--far right, of course. The number of these who actually know anything about politics or who really study political theory? No way to know, but I'd doubt it's a large number. > who think there could be a legit nazi resurgence. A lot of people I know > (from Holland, Germany, Belgium, France, and England) have had serious > problems with the way France is pushing their will (correct English?). > Far right's the same in any language! France is a unique example because it's such a hotbed of political activity on both sides of the aisle. I doubt recent events have had much impact on the average American, but they sure scare the shit out of me! 'Course there are plenty of righties throughout Europe, now and ca. WWII. I know there were plenty of facists in Belgique during the war, and don't forget Vichy France, Italy under il Duce, etc. Whenever times are tough, people look for an easy solution, like blaming people you don't like for your troubles and systematically p[ersecuting them to make yourself somehow feel better! > A thing that bothers me is that some people I talk with, say they don't > sympathise, but they can understand people use their vote on the > right-extremists as a protest to government, who are not listening. The fact > that people can think like that frightens me. > Sure. How do you think the Fuhrer got into power? Think before you cast that ballot, 'cause sometimes a 'protest' vote can backfire on you. A lot of right-wingers voted for Perot in our last election. They fracured the right wing vote and allowed Clinton to win. Just the opposite of what they wanted, though I think they were mostly so disgusted with Bush that they couldn't vote for him anyway. > > >New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? > Style? > > Jerry Jerry, I think R.T> is too uncomplicated for you. Guitar, voice, simple arrangements, a lot of acoustic stuff, though he can kill on elec. gtr. It's his lyrics that draw me in--very introspective, bittersweet stuff. Listen before you buy! theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Apr 24 14:13:48 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:13:48 -0400 Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Carl wrote: > The "swastika" is an ancient symbol of good luck, associated with > Indo-European sky/thunder gods (i.e. Thorr/Tor) and that is precisely why > the Nazis appropriated it. ...and inverted it (turning a good luck symbol into a bad luck symbol?) > In places where its meaning wasn't so grossly perverted, like India, > it retains its original function. Which reminds me of a plot element of an episode of _Kolchak: The Night Stalker_ in which this knowledge came in very handy... ;-) Cheers, Paul. obTape: Mississippi John Hurt, _The 1928 Sessions_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU Wed Apr 24 17:18:16 1996 From: inhaler at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (P Worley) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:18:16 -0700 Subject: kronos/busted cross? In-Reply-To: <9604241242.ZM756@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: I've seen the swastika (or gammadion or fylfot) both clockwise and counter-clockwise in references to pre-nazi use, so the nazi's didn't necessarily change it. -- Peter William Worley inhaler at u.washington.edu Phone: (206) 547-6164 On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, Frank Weil wrote: > > According to my dictionary, the swastika is of ancient origin, with > the word coming from Sanskrit meaning "well being", and > "benediction". It is a mystic symbol among American Indian tribes, > and in India, Japan, Persia, etc. This swastika has the extensions > bent in a counter-clockwise direction. The Nazi swastika has the > extensions bent in a clockwise direction (mirror image of the original > swastika). > > Frank > > -- > =============================================================================== > Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 > From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Wed Apr 24 21:00:25 1996 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:00:25 -0700 Subject: kronos/busted cross? Message-ID: The swastika is an almost universal symbol for the sun. It is found in North American native, norse, asian, and other symbol systems. The original version of this archetypal, almost Jungian symbol can be imagined if, instead of rigid, crooked arms, you envisage many more arms, all curving outward from the central point (rays of the sun) It later became stylized in its rigid form. The BOC symbol bears no relation to it at all. Has it been determined for certain that the BOC symbol is the Kronos symbol? I remember the Kronos symbol being significantly different (but I haven't looked for a while) SP "Freedom is always against the law." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From SWELTON at VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE Thu Apr 25 11:14:24 1996 From: SWELTON at VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE (Sebastian Welton) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:14:24 -0500 Subject: Tribute album Message-ID: Noticed in the latest issue of Ptolmeaic Terrascope was a review of a Hawkwind tribute album called Assasins of Silence - Hundred Watt Violence featurng such bands as F/i, Fuzzface, New Bomb Turks, ST37, etc. Available for $34 airmail from Ceres Records, 1264 Grove Street, San Fransisco, CA 94117-1577, USA. Also, just a got a bit of e-mail from my friendly record shop here in town who have all the Hawkwind remastered reissues in stock for which he's offering to sell them to me for only 26DM each (about 11 quid) so that's where I'll be popping to this afternoon. Cheers Seb S.J.Welton MVS & VM Operations and Automation Analyst ECNOD/CS/MGCS European Space Operations Centre (ESA), 64293 Darmstadt, Deutschland SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET | DE27PSNP at IBMMAIL | Telephone ++49 6151 902570 C=DE;A=DBP;O=ESOC;S=WELTON;G=SEBASTIAN site=ESOC username=SWELTON From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Apr 25 05:47:52 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:47:52 +0200 Subject: cyberHitler Message-ID: Hi! I've just recieved this mail and I think it is in line with the recent=20 discussions on the list. (correct English?) med vaenlig haelsning -Daniel >Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:03:45 +0200 >X-Sender: mpj95ers at mailbox.mc.hik.se >Subject: cyberHitler >----- Forwarded Message ----- >Path: ida.his.se!henrik >From: henrik at ida.his.se (Henrik Nordstrom) >Newsgroups: his.raving >Subject: vettig grej att r=3DF6sta nej till >Date: 22 Apr 1996 17:25:40 GMT >Organization: University of Skoevde >Lines: 85 >Message-ID: <4lgfek$71i at mhost.ida.his.se> >NNTP-Posting-Host: august.ida.his.se >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] > > >A group of neo-nazis are trying to form a newsgroup on Usenet called >rec.music.white-power, so that they can get their message of hate out to >young people using the Internet. Newsgroups are public discussion areas on >the Internet and their formation requires enough support from the Internet >community. > >EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU HAS ONE VOTE when it comes to creating a new >Usenet group. I hope you will vote NO and thereby tell these Nazis you >don't want their stuff on the net. Below is the procedure, please repost my >plea and get the NO vote out. This is my personal opinion. If you want to >see the official call for votes, you can read in news.group or ask me for a >copy of the notice calling for votes. > >Do not vote twice - that would constitute voting fraud. > >HOW TO VOTE: > >Send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to: > >music-vote at sub-rosa.com > >This is an impartial, third-party vote taker. > >Do not REPLY to THIS message, if you are trying to vote. Please do not >assume that just replying to this message will work. Check the address >before you mail your vote. Your mail message should contain only one >statement: > >I vote NO on rec.music.white-power > >I REALLY HOPE YOU VOTE NO! > >Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean >that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an >acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about >the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered >correctly. > >Here's what Canada's George Burdi, of the neo-Nazi Heritage Front, had to >say about this vote, on February 21, on his RESISTANCE mailing list: > >"There is a call for votes coming on rec.music.white-power in >the next week or so, and you will be notified in a >special issue of RREN exactly what to do. FOLLOW THE >INSTRUCTIONS TO THE LETTER. Let me be perfectly blunt and >state that we have more than enough "net-nazis" to win this >thing hands-down. But every one of you must vote YES! >And just voting yes means nothing unless you do it properly. >So you have been forewarned. The instructions are coming to >your email box soon, and they are not complicated. Just >follow them as told, and we will have a WP music newsgroup >finally!" > >If Mr. Burdi's confidence disturbs you, please give this letter the >_widest_ possible distribution, and help us deliver the largest NO vote in >the history of UseNet. If you would like more detailed information on why >you should vote no, check out http://nizkor.almanac.bc.ca - although it >should be noted that the Nizkor Project has no connection to this personal >plea." > >Gary Romalis > > >/::::::::| MK2ENG at BOLTON.AC.UK >|:::::::::::\ |: "always look on the >bright side of life" :| \::::::::| >MK2ENG at BOLTON.AC.UK |:::::::::::/ > > > --- End Included Message --- > >--=3D20 >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >- email: plupp at ms.se --------------- url: http://www.his.se/ite/~plupp/ >address: Jonas Bl=3DE5berg, Fredriksdalsgatan 13, S-412 62 G=3DF6teborg= ------- >- @home: +46-31-16 58 59 ----------------------- @work: +46-31-86 20 63 > > > >----- End Included Message ----- > > > > "Jag har en papegoja -s=E5 jag best=E4mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Apr 25 09:57:24 1996 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:57:24 -0300 Subject: For Jerry Message-ID: Hi Jerry, Please can you let us know when the tapes of the IQ song should arrive? Or if you can't do them after all? We need just this one song before finishing the covers tape project. Dave. From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Apr 25 07:41:15 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 07:41:15 -0400 Subject: kronos/busted cross? Message-ID: Steve P said >The swastika is an almost universal symbol for the sun. [...] >The BOC symbol bears no relation to it at all. Oh, absolutely - but I expect it could remind some people of a swastika, especially when you slap it on the side of a bloody Messerschmitt! I think Pearlman must have known what he was doing - and I think that what he was doing was flirting with the fetishistic aspects of Nazism, and challenging taboos. Which are both fair enough! But are sadly open to misinterpretation. > Has it been determined for >certain that the BOC symbol is the Kronos symbol? I remember the Kronos >symbol being significantly different (but I haven't looked for a while) The alchemical Kronos/Saturn symbol is more like a lower-case "h" with a cross-bar, but it's broadly similar. I thought the BOC symbol was an invention, designed to look sinister. - Andy From Niko.Makila at CSC.FI Thu Apr 25 08:09:28 1996 From: Niko.Makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:09:28 +0300 Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:52:59 PDT." Message-ID: Jerry's message dated: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 19:52:59 PDT > > I know about a story on this one. In Finland, the (naval) merchant service > use the swastika as their symbol, on their flags. When they celebrated their > umpteenth anniversary, the Finnish ambassey put out these flags, and got a > lot of angry phone calls of course. > Their symbol differs from the one with the bad name in colour (it's light > blue) and stands upright on one of the corners. I think it's also a mirror image of the Nazi-swastika. Anyway the Finnish army used swastika as their symbol way before Hitler did (well, at least twenty years or so). //niko (who has *been* in the Finnish army...) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 25 08:15:32 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:15:32 +0100 Subject: HW: Next Hawkfan & WWW pages In-Reply-To: <199604170052.KAA04204@hyme.pcmicro.com.au> Message-ID: > On 16 Apr 96 Paul Mather wrote about Re: HW: Next Hawkfan & WWW > pages: > ObIForgot: Apparently (according to Brian Tawn) the band decided not > to include _LoL_ on the new live CD because they didn't like the > quality of the recording! Since when has this stopped them before? ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 25 08:28:09 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:28:09 +0100 Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > The "swastika" is an ancient symbol of good luck, associated with > > Indo-European sky/thunder gods (i.e. Thorr/Tor) and that is precisely why > > the Nazis appropriated it. > > ...and inverted it (turning a good luck symbol into a bad luck symbol?) No, this is a common post-Nazi bit of folklore. The swastika originally could have it's points in either direction. It depended on how the artist/inscriber/whatever perceived the thing as facing. Sunwise/Clockwise is always the direction of good luck for Indo-European cultures (and many others). However, people did not always agree on whether the arms of the swastika should be *pointing* sunwise or whether the swastika was *turning* sunwise (causing the arms to trail counter-sunwise/counter-clockwise. What would be the point of creating a bad-luck symbol for your movement? That would just bring bad luck on you! Both directions were used before the Nazi's (in fact their direction might have been slightly more common) and both are still used in areas where the Nazi abomination has not overshadowed the symbols original significance. We'd all be seeing a lot more of this symbol if it weren't for the Nazi's. Cheers, Carl "I knew that folklore degree would be good for something" Anderson ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 25 13:35:02 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:35:02 BST Subject: answer echo, answer echo... Message-ID: Have I upset the netgods or has FoFP's echoed mail decided to haunt me for a while - I'm getting messages dating back from 16th April now. Veja du or some such thing. I've also just received a normal CD copy of Alien 4 from C&D - obviously their computers are acting a tad retrospectively since I ordered this about 6 months ago and I'd completely forgotten about it. Am I owing anyone a copy of this? I know I offered to get a load of Alien 4 stuff when it came out and I have a feeling the jewel case version was one of that lot. If I'm still due to send it to someone (Paul Ward perhaps?) could you let me know!! cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Apr 25 08:47:29 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 08:47:29 -0400 Subject: BOC: Gigs in M.E.262land (was: Dino-tours) In-Reply-To: from "Jerry" at Apr 23, 96 07:52:59 pm Message-ID: > > Andy wrote to Theo: > CHOMP! > (I have already talked to Theo about this.) About the symbol (the swastika, > not Saturn), used to be a symbol for 'life', a bit like Egyptian 'ankh'. It > was oulded into another meaning by some terrible things in the fourties. > I know about a story on this one. In Finland, the (naval) merchant service > use the swastika as their symbol, on their flags. When they celebrated their > umpteenth anniversary, the Finnish ambassey put out these flags, and got a > lot of angry phone calls of course. The swastika, as used by the Finnish AF, was adapted by one of the Counts (?) that first started the Finnish A.F. It was his personal good-luck symbol. It was first used in either 1911 or 1918 (my reference book on the FAF is at home right now, not much use here at the office!), long before 'Dolf and his pinheads appropriated the symbol. The FAF changed to the present roundel in 1944, after the Finns capitulated (they were fighting on the side of the Axis forces). Guess they figured that planes with big ol' swastikas on them might make pretty good targets for the Allied fighters... There was some talk of the FAF resurrecting the original insignia; don't know where that went. (Wonder if the FAF museum displays their pre-1944 aircraft historically correct or "politically correct"?) And in the mid '30's, Latvia (or Estonia, forget which right now) used a crimson swastika on a white roundel, oriented like the Nazi version, as the national insignia on their aircraft. Don't know when they chose the symbol... And Americas' Ace of Aces, Eddie Rickenbacker, had that nasty ol' symbol on his Spad XIII! It was in the Indians' headdress that was painted on the side of his plane (although it was backwards from the Nazi's orientation). Military aircraft fanatic here (especially of obscure AF's, like the Finns and Turks) and not a particular student of Nazi regalia (but I do know a bit or two). Can't understand how peoples can embrace an idea that has some much hate at its' core and brought such pain an suffering to the world. What a bunch of pinheads... > Their symbol differs from the one with the bad name in colour (it's light > blue) and stands upright on one of the corners. > Some things are taken away out of their original context... > > Jerry > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 25 13:59:18 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:59:18 BST Subject: Latest boots Message-ID: Steve Freight is looking for copies of "Timeless Paens", "Damnation Alley", "Nova Drive", and "Secret Tepee" if anyone can help? FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 25 09:24:55 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:24:55 +0100 Subject: answer echo, answer echo... In-Reply-To: <9604251335.aa27787@uk.ac.ed.tattoo> from "J Strobridge" at Apr 25, 96 01:35:02 pm Message-ID: > Have I upset the netgods or has FoFP's echoed mail decided to haunt > me for a while - I'm getting messages dating back from 16th April now. > Veja du or some such thing. Ah ha! The disease spreads. This has been happening to me for a couple of weeks now, where I sometimes get the middles of threads well before I get the beginnings! This happened to me back in the autumn for a while as well ... > I've also just received a normal CD copy of Alien 4 from C&D - obviously > their computers are acting a tad retrospectively since I ordered this > about 6 months ago and I'd completely forgotten about it. Apart from the obvious changes because fot he jewel case, are there any other differences? Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 25 09:29:29 1996 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:29:29 +0100 Subject: BOC: Swastikas and Me.262s! In-Reply-To: <9604251247.AA28356@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> Message-ID: Dear Craig, another military aircraft fanatic here! And I can tell you that the Finns display their aircraft historically correct: as far as they're concerned, they had the swastika first, I guess. To get slightly (but only slightly) more relevant, people may remember me posting a while back about a company in California building Me.262 replicas? This is still going ahead and the first four are nearing completion, all already spoken for, but for $350,000 perhaps they'll add one to the list. Anyone feeling generous? These things are totally authentic copies of the genuine Messerschmitt, although they're building the two-seat version rather than the ST single-seater, for reasons of learning to fly the thing (and joyrides!). The only difference is the engines: not only are Jumo 004s tricky to get hold of now, but they used to catch fire a lot, so they've put in some new Westinghouse or General Electric things: but, being as these are both lighter and smaller (if just as powerful), they're installing them inside casings which have been expertly crafted to look like the original Junkers engine, so, if you take off the cowlings you'll see a Junkers Jumo 004B! Ah me - some day, when I'm rich and famous... JAZZA From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 25 10:30:45 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:30:45 EST Subject: kronos/busted cross? Message-ID: Steve says: > The swastika is an almost universal symbol for the sun. It is found in > North American native, norse, asian, and other symbol systems. > The original version of this archetypal, almost Jungian symbol can be > imagined if, instead of rigid, crooked arms, you envisage many more arms, > all curving outward from the central point (rays of the sun) It later > became stylized in its rigid form. > > The BOC symbol bears no relation to it at all. Has it been determined for > certain that the BOC symbol is the Kronos symbol? I remember the Kronos > symbol being significantly different (but I haven't looked for a while) > > SP > I think the BOC symbol is actually Kronos and another symbol combined. The symbol for Saturn is simply a cross, isn't it? Or am I confusing it with another astrological sign? theo > "Freedom is always against the law." > -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs > New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed Apr 24 09:39:33 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:39:33 +2000 Subject: For Jerry In-Reply-To: <9621.9604250957@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: In <9621.9604250957 at abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk>, on 04/25/96 at 10:57 AM, Dave Berry said: >Hi Jerry, >Please can you let us know when the tapes of the IQ song >should arrive? Or if you can't do them after all? We >need just this one song before finishing the covers tape >project. There's more than one Jerry :). Since I don't have the IQ song, I hope you're talking about someone else. ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 25 10:40:44 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:40:44 EST Subject: off:Kronos good/bad luck Message-ID: Carl on the swastika: > > > The "swastika" is an ancient symbol of good luck, associated with > > > Indo-European sky/thunder gods (i.e. Thorr/Tor) and that is precisely why > > > the Nazis appropriated it. > > > > ...and inverted it (turning a good luck symbol into a bad luck symbol?) > > No, this is a common post-Nazi bit of folklore. The swastika > originally could have it's points in either direction. It depended on > how the artist/inscriber/whatever perceived the thing as facing. > Sunwise/Clockwise is always the direction of good luck for Indo-European > cultures (and many others). However, people did not always agree on > whether the arms of the swastika should be *pointing* sunwise or whether > the swastika was *turning* sunwise (causing the arms to trail > counter-sunwise/counter-clockwise. > What would be the point of creating a bad-luck symbol for your > movement? That would just bring bad luck on you! > I think the idea came from people who assumed that the nazis were generally corrupting the symbol on purpose, to show disrespect? Like people accuse BOC's symbol as being disrespectful to the crucifix, questioning the belief that Christ died for the redemption of humankind? theo > New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 25 08:31:49 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:31:49 +0100 Subject: off:skinheads/neo-nazis In-Reply-To: <73C2FCC2013@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Apr 24, 96 01:52:25 pm Message-ID: > Whenever times are tough, > people look for an easy solution, like blaming people you don't like > for your troubles and systematically p[ersecuting them to make > yourself somehow feel better! Oh, well, that certainly explains a lot about the current BOC attitude towards major labels, etc. ;) ;) ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 25 08:47:31 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:47:31 +0100 Subject: HW: Adrian Shaw's _Tea for the Hydra_! Message-ID: This just in from Woronzow on the latest solo offering from ex-Hawk Ade Shaw ... Forwarded message: > From: Woronzow Records > Subject: Adrian Shaw's Tea For The Hydra-OUT NOW!!! > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:15:09 +-100 > > At Last, the album Mrs. Shaw's been waiting for, we proudly present for > your delectation, Adrian Shaw's "Tea For The Hydra". A trip through the > murkier recesses of a diseased and rapidly declining mind. Get it while > he still has enough grasp of reality to appreciate your trouble. With > contributions from some of Britain's finest psychedelic musicians,and > Aaron. A limited edition vinyl, signed by the artist's own shaky hand (with > a little help from his nurse), or super hi-fi CD,with 3 bonus > tracks. Vinyl #12, CD #10. > P+P is as follows: > CD:UK #1.25, Europe #2.00, Elsewhere #3.00 > Vinyl:UK #2.00, Europe #3.00, Elsewhere #4.00 > Cheques, Postal Orders, and IMOs to > > "Woronzow Records" > 102,Crescent Road, > New Barnet, > Herts., > EN4 9RJ > UK > > __________________________________ > To subscribe to the mailing list,just e-mail us at: > distort at woronzow.netkonect.co.uk > Visit the All-new Woronzow Web Site,at http://www.thenerve2.com/woronzow From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 25 08:48:56 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:48:56 +0100 Subject: cyberHitler In-Reply-To: <199604250947.LAA07537@mcfs1.mc.hik.se> from "Daniel Wikdahl" at Apr 25, 96 11:47:52 am Message-ID: This is, I think old news. The vote has, I think, already taken place (and failed :) but I'm not sure. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "Hefi ek ok aldri sva reitt vapn ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. at manni at eigi hafi vid kommit." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk - Skarphedinn Njalsson ************************************************************************* From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 25 10:20:55 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:20:55 -0400 Subject: cyberHitler Message-ID: I'm surprised this issue has come to some sort of vote. While the "rec.*" groups may be more rigid, I thought it was pretty easy to create an "alt.*" newsgroup. Besides, anyone who's seen some of the subject lines in "alt.rock-n-roll" these days knows that some assholes are going to talk about whatever the hell they want on a music newsgroup. If these neo-Nazis are trying to somehow seduce young people to their way of thinking, they don't need to create a seperate newsgroup - they'll just post their trash amongst the legit discussions on popular newsgroups. BTW, how many people who read "alt.rock-n-roll" call these sex lines that regularly advertise there? John From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Thu Apr 25 14:17:12 1996 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:17:12 U Subject: kronos/busted cross? Message-ID: >> Has it been determined for >>certain that the BOC symbol is the Kronos symbol? I remember the Kronos >>symbol being significantly different (but I haven't looked for a while) >The alchemical Kronos/Saturn symbol is more like a lower-case "h" with a >cross-bar, but it's broadly similar. I thought the BOC symbol was an >invention, designed to look sinister. I've always thought that it was the (an?) ancient Greek symbol meaning "Chaos" - or have I been labouring under a misapprehension all these years? Cheers, Rich. ** "Please Knock - DON'T ring the bell" - Pavlov's front door ** From mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE Thu Apr 25 11:21:35 1996 From: mpj95wid at MC.HIK.SE (Daniel Wikdahl) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:21:35 +0200 Subject: cyberHitler Message-ID: > This is, I think old news. The vote has, I think, already >taken place (and failed :) but I'm not sure. > >Cheers, >Carl ...I didn't know that -sorry! -Daniel "Jag har en papegoja -s=E5 jag best=E4mmer" (Rickard Fuchs) Daniel Wikdahl Kaptensgatan 2a S-39 236 KALMAR SWEDEN 0480-245 11 From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Thu Apr 25 16:32:54 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:32:54 BST Subject: answer echo, answer echo... In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:24:55 +0100 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > I've also just received a normal CD copy of Alien 4 from C&D - obviously > > their computers are acting a tad retrospectively since I ordered this > > about 6 months ago and I'd completely forgotten about it. > > Apart from the obvious changes because fot he jewel case, are there > any other differences? > no whatsoever as far as I can tell from a quick glance - CD is the same pic and the booklet looks identical. It's just going to be safer to play it now without having to take meticulous care with the packaging. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Apr 25 11:40:17 1996 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:40:17 -0400 Subject: off:Kronos good/bad luck In-Reply-To: <74FFE890DBD@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > Carl on the swastika: [...] > > What would be the point of creating a bad-luck symbol for your > > movement? That would just bring bad luck on you! > > > I think the idea came from people who assumed that the nazis were > generally corrupting the symbol on purpose, to show disrespect? Maybe they were just trying to avoid lengthy copyright litigation? ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Guitar Shorty & The Otis Grand Blues Band, _My Way On The Highway_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Apr 25 12:05:37 1996 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 18:05:37 +0200 Subject: Latest boots Message-ID: Hello >Steve Freight is looking for copies of "Timeless Paens", "Damnation >Alley", "Nova Drive", and "Secret Tepee" if anyone can help? What is he willing to give in return for one of these precious items ?? Bernhard From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Apr 25 12:04:38 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:04:38 -0400 Subject: HW: Remasters in the US In-Reply-To: <199604241314.JAA24227@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Apr 24, 96 09:14:00 am Message-ID: > > Ken Alexander writes: > > > > (They also got the digipak remasters of the early albums. At $30 for > > each single album and $50 for _Space Ritual_, I think I'll skip them...) > > You can get them from CD NOW for about $26 each ($36 for Space > Ritual), or from Ranjit for a couple of bucks less. > > Don't skip them. They're priceless gems. > > Steve > RPM has 'em at US$24/32 each. Mine are winging their way to me as we speak. :-) (Tower wanted $35 for the singles and $50 for the double! NO WAY!) www.rpmrecords.com -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Apr 25 12:14:33 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 12:14:33 -0400 Subject: kronos/busted cross? Message-ID: There's a bit about all of this in the FAQ. But, as I recall, the band had Bill Gwalik (I think that's it) do the covers for the first 2 albums based on some work he did (City of the Future I think), and Pearlman liked it. At the time, the symbol was used by Gwalik, and the band later adopted it as their own because they liked the look, and later found out some of the other connections - such as the symbol for Saturn (Chronos), as well as being an alchemical symbol (and the alchemists probably got the symbol from the people who used it as a symbol for Saturn), and they also found out it was a symbol for "chaos". It's my understanding from things Albert said in the past that the choice of this symbol was not done originally because of the various meanings, more that the band liked the way it looked. Of course, the idea that the BOC symbol is somehow connected to either the swastika, or being a bastardized cross (somehow questioning God) is utter horseshit. John From stayer at PI.NET Wed Apr 24 22:20:17 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:20:17 PDT Subject: BOC: Dino-tours Message-ID: Deb writes: >We have no problem with playing in Sweden. Or anywhere else, for that matter. >Book the venue and send us the tickets, and we'll see you there. :-) I'll keep that in mind! (But 'anywhere else' will mean Holland.) Jerry From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Apr 25 14:18:40 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:18:40 -0400 Subject: BOC: Swastikas and Me.262s! Message-ID: Thinking about "Me 262" (the song, that is, not the plane :)... I think it would still be a good song even if it went "I wanna rock you all night long", okay, but what makes it a *great* song is the lyric - which is wonderfully subversive! It presents a scene from World War Two, and invites us - and it's intended, really, for a US audience, but it works in Britain just as well (if not better) - to identify with "the enemy"; to be open-minded enough to see things from their viewpoint. This is *really* unusual - of all the many WW2 films, for instance, I can only think of two, off-hand, which are told from a German point of view (_Cross of Iron_ and _The Keep_, fwiw), and in neither of those are they fighting western troops. What the song's saying, I think, is "the Germans are no different from us". [Which is of course an entirely different statement from "we are Nazis", but these nuts with an irony by-pass will never figure that out.] The symbol, too, is meant to be subversive - I always felt it was deliberately not anything in particular, but reminiscent of all sorts of things; but mainly meant to look *pagan*. Together with the name of the band, it conjures images of unspeakable rituals from the depths of pre-history... Which is really cool! (But, of course, doesn't mean the band advocate, or participate in, unspeakable rituals - you'd have to be pretty simple-minded, or else in the moral majority, to think that!) I guess the upshot is that by deliberately being unsettling and subversive, they managed to upset some "squares". Right on! - Andy From dzeiger at NETCOM.COM Thu Apr 25 14:26:28 1996 From: dzeiger at NETCOM.COM (David Zeiger) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:26:28 -0700 Subject: cyberHitler In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Apr 25, 96 01:48:56 pm Message-ID: [apologies for the long-winded off-topic post, but I've seen that "vote no" message on 2 mailing lists and 6 newsgroups now...] > > This is, I think old news. The vote has, I think, already > taken place (and failed :) but I'm not sure. The vote ended on 3/18. However, the results have not yet been posted. The reason we still do not have results is due to the massive amounts of vote fraud. Vote fraud with respect to usenet group creation includes, but is not limited to, such things as sending pre-filled ballots to individuals/mailing lists, overly blatant campagining on unrelated newsgroups/mailing lists, and possibly not voting with the official CFV form. Basiclly, usenet "votes" are meant to be interest polls only. The *only* people who should vote are people who are actually interested in reading the group--"no" votes are generally meant for people who think the group has namespace problems, or other technical details. Any voting on the basis of political motivations is a peversion of the process, and should not be done. Think of it this way--if it's OK for you to vote "no" to a neo-nazi group, is it also OK for, say, Pat Robertson to go online and try to get every fundamentalist Christian in the US to vote for the removal of rec.arts.erotica? Or, to use an actual example, look at the mess surrounding soc.culture.india.jammu-kashmir. Since Kashmir tends to be a point of dispute between Indians and Pakastanis, the inclusion of the name under "india" resulted in the vote being a contest between Indians and Pakastanis as to who could get the most people online to vote. Is that *really* the way you want Usenet group creation to be decided? Namespace as a political issue? Whoever creates the most 10-free-hour AOL accounts wins? If not, then don't let your general feelings be swayed by any single moral issue. Someone pointed out yesterday the potential danger of a "protest" vote--and that's just what "political" usenet voting is. Of course, if you *do* want votes to be political in nature, well, fine. But note that votetakers are volunteers, and there's a good bet that they'll stop taking votes if this problem continues uncorrected--which means that either you need to step forward to count votes yourself, or we won't have any new Big 8 groups at all... -- David Zeiger dzeiger at netcom.com Windows 95: The Dracula of Operating Systems--it sucks up all your memory, bleeds your hard drive dry, and only works an average of 12 hours out of every 24. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Apr 25 15:52:04 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:52:04 EST Subject: BOC: Swastikas and Me.262s! Message-ID: Andy says: > Thinking about "Me 262" (the song, that is, not the plane :)... I think it > would still be a good song even if it went "I wanna rock you all night long", > okay, but what makes it a *great* song is the lyric - which is wonderfully > subversive! It presents a scene from World War Two, and invites us - and > it's intended, really, for a US audience, but it works in Britain just as > well (if not better) - to identify with "the enemy"; to be open-minded enough > to see things from their viewpoint. This is *really* unusual - of all the > many WW2 films, for instance, I can only think of two, off-hand, which are > told from a German point of view (_Cross of Iron_ and _The Keep_, fwiw), and How about the amazing 'Das Boot?' > in neither of those are they fighting western troops. What the song's I'm not sure who the enemy is in this one. UK? > saying, I think, is "the Germans are no different from us". [Which is of > course an entirely different statement from "we are Nazis", but these nuts > with an irony by-pass will never figure that out.] > Agree up to a point, but the inclusion of the marching feet and cheering crowds tends to celebrate militarism a bit too much for most listeners. But, of course, the fliers in those 'fortresses' are waging war upon Germany just the same, and bombing civilians as well as munitions plants. So, plenty of killing to go around. > The symbol, too, is meant to be subversive - I always felt it was Ironic that the hooked cross be displayed on an ME262, given that the hook could be taken as similar to the sickle, an element of Soviet symbolism. And from what little I read, the Germans seemed to truly hate the Russians [or more likely, Bolshevism] more than any of their other enemies. > deliberately not anything in particular, but reminiscent of all sorts of > things; but mainly meant to look *pagan*. Together with the name of the > band, it conjures images of unspeakable rituals from the depths of > pre-history... Which is really cool! (But, of course, doesn't mean the band > advocate, or participate in, unspeakable rituals - you'd have to be pretty > simple-minded, or else in the moral majority, to think that!) > Well, now, I think we're onto something! Iconoclasm, irreverence, humor, disquiet--all key elements of BOC's music. > I guess the upshot is that by deliberately being unsettling and subversive, > they managed to upset some "squares". Right on! > > - Andy Yes! theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 25 15:03:16 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:03:16 +0100 Subject: off:Kronos good/bad luck In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Apr 25, 96 11:40:17 am Message-ID: > > > What would be the point of creating a bad-luck symbol for your > > > movement? That would just bring bad luck on you! > > > > > I think the idea came from people who assumed that the nazis were > > generally corrupting the symbol on purpose, to show disrespect? > > Maybe they were just trying to avoid lengthy copyright litigation? ;-) There's a possibility! Now if only they had been managed by Doug Smith then a lot of problems (for everyone else) could have been avoided ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Apr 25 15:43:52 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:43:52 +0100 Subject: BOC: Swastikas and Me.262s! In-Reply-To: <960425141839_280471314@emout14.mail.aol.com> from "Andy Gilham" at Apr 25, 96 02:18:40 pm Message-ID: > This is *really* unusual - of all the > many WW2 films, for instance, I can only think of two, off-hand, which are > told from a German point of view (_Cross of Iron_ and _The Keep_, fwiw), and > in neither of those are they fighting western troops. I think I've seen _Cross of Iron_. Sam Peckinpah (sp?) direct, inte sant? > The symbol, too, is meant to be subversive - I always felt it was > deliberately not anything in particular, but reminiscent of all sorts of > things; but mainly meant to look *pagan*. Together with the name of the > band, it conjures images of unspeakable rituals from the depths of > pre-history... Which is really cool! (But, of course, doesn't mean the band > advocate, or participate in, unspeakable rituals - you'd have to be pretty > simple-minded, or else in the moral majority, to think that!) We understand, we understand, we understand ... You can never have too many unspeakable rituals from the depths of time--they make great copy! :) Speaking of which, I think I'll drag some BOC to the Cambridge Univeristy Worshipers of Cthulu party (if that won't be an unspeakable ritual from the depths of pre-history, nothing will! ;) on Saturday. I bet they'd quite go for D&S ... Maybe I'll see if I can sneak from Brain Surgeons and Hawkwind past 'em ... :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Apr 25 15:50:47 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:50:47 -0400 Subject: kronos/busted cross? In-Reply-To: <199604251614.MAA16022@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Apr 25, 96 12:14:33 pm Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > > things Albert said in the past that the choice of this symbol was not > done originally because of the various meanings, more that the band > liked the way it looked. > > Of course, the idea that the BOC symbol is somehow connected to either > the swastika, or being a bastardized cross (somehow questioning God) > is utter horseshit. I'm not sure what point in their careers, chronologically speaking, you're refering to here... but around the time that they slapped that sucker on the side of an ME-262, they damn sure knew what it looked like. ;-) Steve From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Apr 25 15:53:35 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:53:35 -0400 Subject: off:Kronos good/bad luck Message-ID: >> > I think the idea came from people who assumed that the nazis were >> > generally corrupting the symbol on purpose, to show disrespect? >> >> Maybe they were just trying to avoid lengthy copyright litigation? ;-) > > There's a possibility! Now if only they had been managed by Doug >Smith then a lot of problems (for everyone else) could have been >avoided ... About the copyright litigation... Tactical Studies Rules (better known simply as "TSR", the makers of Dungeons & Dragons) made a game awhile back based on Indiana Jones and Raiders of the Lost Ark. They had these little cardboard cutout figures you could use (if you chose) of the major players: Indy, Marion, their friends, and of course, all those evil Nazis. On one of the generic "Nazi" trooper cutouts, TSR had the following text: Nazi (c) 1989 by TSR. Yep, they copyrighted the word "Nazi". So all them skinhead groups better watch out, they face copyright infringement if they use the word "Nazi".... (not certain about the year...) +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Thu Apr 25 15:54:59 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:54:59 -0400 Subject: BOC: Swastikas and Me.262s! Message-ID: Theo said: >How about the amazing 'Das Boot?' I *knew* someone would say that, just as soon as I posted... :) >I'm not sure who the enemy is in this one. UK? Well, it is "English bombers"... >Agree up to a point, but the inclusion of the marching feet and >cheering crowds tends to celebrate militarism a bit too much for most >listeners. But, of course, the fliers in those 'fortresses' are >waging war upon Germany just the same, and bombing civilians as well >as munitions plants. So, plenty of killing to go around. Yeah, I guess that's part of it - it makes you look at the motivations of Capt von Ondine, who is, after all, defending his country against a campaign of terror bombing (which included the Dresden fire bombing). But I think it's a bit more personal than that, and it also occurs to me that he might be regarded as a cousin of that biker in GAoL, the one who would "go down valiantly". >> The symbol, too, is meant to be subversive - I always felt it was >Ironic that the hooked cross be displayed on an ME262, given that the >hook could be taken as similar to the sickle, an element of Soviet >symbolism. Well, this is what I mean about the symbol being reminiscent of all sorts of stuff! (So they're *commies* now? :)) - Andy From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Apr 25 15:57:37 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:57:37 -0400 Subject: HW sorta: Simon House's Yassassim? Message-ID: First of all, has this CD received domestic US release? Ain't seen hide 'nor hair of it _anywhere_. Is this a ltd. edition or is it sold "under the counter", what?!?! Secondly, for those of you who have heard it, what does it sound like? Solo effort, a band backing him up, ethnic-rock, ambient, rap, what?? ...waiting for my remasters... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From stayer at PI.NET Thu Apr 25 22:06:20 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:06:20 PDT Subject: HW: US Covers: Update Message-ID: >We're still waiting on word on the IQ cover from Jerry as to whether or >not it'll be in the set after all (not rec'd yet thought its on the tape >labels). Once that's resolved, we can begin duplication immediately. It's in the mail now. Sorry for the delay. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu Apr 25 22:32:13 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:32:13 PDT Subject: off:skinheads/neo-nazis Message-ID: Theo wrote: >> Let's make a division into Germans (born in Germany) and Nazis >Right! A dumb choice of words on my part, but the song IS set in >WWII germany. Hell, we've got far too many nazis right here in the >good ol' USA. Every one is one too many. >The number of these >who actually know anything about politics or who really study >political theory? No way to know, but I'd doubt it's a large number. I'd hate to seem prejudiced on this, but I have the same doubts. Fact is that news coverage and tv shows prove the theory. >> who think there could be a legit nazi resurgence. A lot of people I know >> (from Holland, Germany, Belgium, France, and England) have had serious >> problems with the way France is pushing their will (correct English?). >Far right's the same in any language! Er... I meant the 'pushing their will' part :-). >I think R.T> is too uncomplicated for you. Guitar, voice, simple >arrangements, a lot of acoustic stuff, though he can kill on elec. >gtr. It's his lyrics that draw me in--very introspective, >bittersweet stuff. Listen before you buy! I /will/ have a listen. Jerry From stayer at PI.NET Thu Apr 25 22:51:47 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 19:51:47 PDT Subject: For Jerry Message-ID: >Please can you let us know when the tapes of the IQ song >should arrive? Or if you can't do them after all? We >need just this one song before finishing the covers tape >project. I guess you just received another message I sent you. I will have the tape finished this evening, and have it mailed tomorrow morning. Sorry about the delay. Jerry From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu Apr 25 17:21:37 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 14:21:37 -0700 Subject: HW: Remasters in the US Message-ID: I carry em at $26/single and $36/SR. Doesn't anybody want to do biz with a fellow boc-l'er? Wylie From lansford at VNET.NET Thu Apr 25 18:11:50 1996 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:11:50 GMT Subject: kronos/busted cross? In-Reply-To: <74FD3C61093@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Ted O. Jackson wrote: >Steve says: >> Has it been determined for >> certain that the BOC symbol is the Kronos symbol? I remember the Kronos >> symbol being significantly different (but I haven't looked for a while) >> >> SP >> >I think the BOC symbol is actually Kronos and another symbol >combined. The symbol for Saturn is simply a cross, isn't it? Or am >I confusing it with another astrological sign? The astrological symbol for Saturn (which is also the alchemical symbol for lead) is currently drawn as a cross atop an open hook, supposedly representing a sickle. The astrological symbol for the asteroid Ceres is supposed to be Saturn reversed, a hook atop a cross, but the hook is circular. Ceres looks precisely like an upside-down BOC Kronos. Not too much of a stretch to the BOC Kronos being a variation of Saturn. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Political campaigns have about them the same excitement as a prizefight. Campaigns, however, are not nearly as orderly as professional boxing matches. - Ansolabehere and Iyengar -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Apr 25 21:13:45 1996 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 21:13:45 -0400 Subject: Trepanation in Stores Message-ID: FYI... Have received much snail and e-mail regarding Trepanation's availability. It is currently sold out via mail-order, so anyone who didn't take advantage of the priority mailing (not to mention the price) we sent out to the faithful months ago, has snoozed too long. The copies that the distributor had have gone like hotcakes, too. A new pressing will ship May 7. The catalogue number to tell dopey clerks who claim they never heard of it is Ripe2211. Both of the CDs (Eponymous is Ripe2204) are now being carried by Ripe & Ready via a new company called Big Daddy Distribution. Keep in mind that many independent CDs are not carried in some chains and mall-type stores (many of whom literally demand extortion-- in the form of a $10,000 ad--mininum-- to carry your product. One reason why you only see Mariah Carey et al advertised--'cause they're payin'!) If you can't find it in your area, let me know, and I will forward your request to Ripe&Ready, who can tell you who does carry it there. And if you're not on our snail mailing list, please send me your address via private e-mail, so you won't miss out on the other special things we'll be offering soon. Thanks for your support- DF From C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK Fri Apr 26 04:51:19 1996 From: C.D.Bates at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:51:19 +0100 Subject: Eric on Imaginos Message-ID: Sometime ago Carl wrote: > Eric also says complementary things about Crate guitar amps? I > recall these sucking horribly--have they changed or is he in space? > He says they are using Crate's Blue Voodoo amps ... I haven't tried the Crates, but Phil Hilborne (editor of *Guitar Techniques*) was using 'em and he usually has one of the best live guitar sounds imaginable. I don't know what model he used but they looked amazing - a smokey plastic front that let you see the valves glowing away. I saw Phils band last night and he had switched to Ampeg (same company isn't it?) and his sound was pretty average - very thin and toppy in that American, late '80s way. I'll be interested to see if he's switched back to Crate by the time of the Birmingham Guitar show in June. Chris From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 26 07:54:44 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:54:44 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: Review of *Trepanation* In-Reply-To: <9604171836.AA07619@chili> from "ross.reyes" at Apr 17, 96 02:36:01 pm Message-ID: > > who is John Napolitano? > > Johnette is/was the singer for Concrete Blonde. If you like > BOC stuff I think you might like CB too. The material is > at least interesting along the lines of the old BOC stuff. Was--they've split now. Good band. Ossian's Ride (my old band) used to rip off their cover of Leonard Cohen's "Everybody Knows" :) I hear Johnette has a new band, but I don't remember the name. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 26 07:57:49 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:57:49 +0100 Subject: HW: The ***winds In-Reply-To: from "Le Monsieur Damon" at Apr 17, 96 03:09:59 pm Message-ID: > I would have said "Hedwind" for Pressurehed post-Nik, but people would > have gotten confused between that and Lemmy's "Headwind". Oh well. As an aside, Lemmy was part of a "Headgirl", and Motorhead and Girlschool collaboration. Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 26 07:56:16 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:56:16 +0100 Subject: Other: DarXtar and the Winds In-Reply-To: <3174B7CE@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: > Keith, the list of the winds was a riot. There has to be a way to use > Upwind and Downwind for some drug addled incarnation. Or Honkwind for an > all sax band of Nik style players. Perhaps Honkwind could be the Nik-only performance of "Washing (Silver) Machine" on the _Travllers' Aid Trust_ album :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 26 08:09:31 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:09:31 +0100 Subject: BRAIN: Review of *Trepanation* In-Reply-To: <199604181548.LAA13108@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Apr 18, 96 11:48:49 am Message-ID: > > I too, could live without "TR&TB" as often, though there are some > > BOC songs that are still definately worth tBS outing too--I'd love to hear > > some versions of the Imaginos material, which are very strong songs that > > are getting foolishly ignored by BOC. [...] > > I'm not sure what you mean by it being foolishly ignored by BOC. > Isn't that like saying that Hawkwind are foolishly ignoring the > material on _Bomber_ and _Ace of Spades_? Not really. _Imaginos_ *is* officially a BOC album and they *did* play some of the material in concert. _I am the One ..._ derserves a much larger airing by *someone*! I might try to get my band here, which is finally coalescing to do it, though I might push for D&S instead :) Personally, if I was BOC I'd be ripping it up with the good material for a live band on _Imaginos_. It's have my name on it, after all. But, of course, if I was BOC I'd do a lot of things different ;) > > But "TR&TB", fine song though it is, won't touch my well-known > > favorite ;) "Time Is Gonna Take Care of You" (or whatever the official > > title is). Plus, 3OC plays it a lot and I'd be much happier hearing > > tBS cover "lost" BOC material (like "Death Valley Nights" etc., as well > > as unreleased tracks). > > I have to say, I've heard the re-worked "Death Valley Nights", and I'm > afraid that it's in the same category as the reworked "Astronomy". > Personally I don't think either of those songs was really crying out > to be "rocked up". Eh? Who said anything about "rocking it up"? I've heard the tBS "Death Valley Nights" and think it was just fine as it was (I liked the _Imaginos_ "Astronomy" too). I'm just saying that if tBS is gonna cover BOC songs, I'd rather hear forgotten gems like "DVN" or never released stuff like "Hansel & Gretel". > However, there are tons of old BOC songs that I would love to hear. I > think a tBS "Dominance and Submission" would be a riot. I'd love to > hear them do "Celestial the Queen". "Fireworks". "Wings Wetted > Down". "7 Screaming Diz-Busters". "Quicklime Girl". The most holy > (i.e. original) "Astronomy". :-) tBS "Astronomy"? I dunno. It'd be interesting to hear "7 Screaming Diz-busters" with Frost vocals though! :) > You know what? I just realised what tBS need. A piano/keys player. Hmmm. You could be right--Tommy M. was a good addition to the _Career of Christmas_ sound. > > I await the new album for a riff-pounder that will displace > > "Time" as my gut-level favorite :) Complete with patented Frost > > Howls O' Chaos: ("Tiiiiiiiiiiiiiimmmmme is gona take care of > > Yooooooooouuuuuuuuuu! [snarl snarl] :) > > Heard that one live yet? The clubs lose money every time tBS play it, > because it loosens the floorboards, and peels the paint off the walls. All three times I was lucky enough to see them :) I remember Tania even got a brief "guest vocal" at the Burlington, VT show last August :) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Apr 26 08:17:38 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:17:38 +0100 Subject: Eric on Imaginos In-Reply-To: <199604260851.JAA04259@neptune.shef.ac.uk> from "Chris Bates" at Apr 26, 96 09:51:19 am Message-ID: > > Eric also says complementary things about Crate guitar amps? I > > recall these sucking horribly--have they changed or is he in space? > > He says they are using Crate's Blue Voodoo amps ... > > I haven't tried the Crates, but Phil Hilborne (editor of *Guitar > Techniques*) was using 'em and he usually has one of the best live > guitar sounds imaginable. I don't know what model he used but they > looked amazing - a smokey plastic front that let you see the valves > glowing away. OK, I haven't tried the valve Crates. I remember trying a couple of their little tranny combos a few years back and they were pretty bad--I mean worse than even transistors had a right to be. I got better tone outta my Boss "Heavy Metal" pedal :) > I saw Phils band last night and he had switched to Ampeg (same company > isn't it?) and his sound was pretty average - very thin and toppy in > that American, late '80s way. I'll be interested to see if he's switched > back to Crate by the time of the Birmingham Guitar show in June. Ampeg for guitar? I know they are supposed to be pretty classic for basses, but I never met a guitarist using them. And I never had the money or excuse to get a mondo Ampeg valve bass amp :) Got my little Peavey TNT 160 here with my DOD "Bass Grunge" pedal. Tone city! Well ... it does the job anyway ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Apr 26 08:30:40 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:30:40 +1100 Subject: OFF: Radio Birdman Message-ID: Hi All, Any further takers for a copy of the Radio Birdman "Live in the Studio" session to be aired locally on May 7th? Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Apr 26 08:30:39 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 23:30:39 +1100 Subject: answer echo, answer echo... Message-ID: On 25 Apr 96 J Strobridge wrote about answer echo, answer echo...: > I've also just received a normal CD copy of Alien 4 from C&D - obviously > their computers are acting a tad retrospectively since I ordered this > about 6 months ago and I'd completely forgotten about it. > > Am I owing anyone a copy of this? I know I offered to get a load of > Alien 4 stuff when it came out and I have a feeling the jewel case > version was one of that lot. If I'm still due to send it to someone > (Paul Ward perhaps?) could you let me know!! As the Spider said to the Fly ... "Not I!" Don't you think I'd complain (as I do) *Bitterly* if I'd waited this long? =F2=BF=F3 `_' Paul/Soniqu=E9 -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Apr 26 08:53:29 1996 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:53:29 +0100 Subject: BOC: Swastikas and Me.262s! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:54:59 EDT." <960425155459_382665609@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: > Theo said: > > >How about the amazing 'Das Boot?' > > I *knew* someone would say that, just as soon as I posted... :) > Well, to aggravate you further, the follow up (in style) to Das Boot, _Stalingrad_ should be in there also. :) Tim From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Apr 26 10:26:50 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:26:50 EST Subject: off:ME262-land in wwii films Message-ID: Bart on wwii films: > > Theo said: > > > > >How about the amazing 'Das Boot?' > > > > I *knew* someone would say that, just as soon as I posted... :) > > > > Well, to aggravate you further, the follow up (in style) to Das Boot, > _Stalingrad_ should be in there also. :) > Tim Tim, I've never heard of it. Date? Director? Cast?, please? theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Fri Apr 26 09:53:16 1996 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:53:16 +0100 Subject: HW & Prize! In-Reply-To: <199604261139.MAA10868@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> Message-ID: I keep forgetting to mention this... at the Brixton HW gig ('95) (baaad memory or what!) Dr. Big.Mike.Wright gave me a Chris McMahon Tape which amongst other bizarre tracks has a cover version of 'Lost Johnny' - the tape in itself is quite pleasant (love the Fish Musique Mike!) but I think it was intended to be past around boc-l......so who's next for a listen of this music extravaganza? First person to e-mail me with the correct answer to the following question will win possession of the tape (or lose depending on your taste!). Q. Following the 1985 Bob Geldoff 'Band Aid' concert Hawkwind headlined a benefit gig for the same cause..... in which english county was it held? Toodle Pip Maxine The night shall be filled with music And the cares that infest the day mxw at dmu.ac.uk Shall fold their tents like the Arabs And as silently steal away. Honda CB250RS H.W. Longfellow Honda VF400 http://severn.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw/Welcome.html From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Apr 26 10:55:57 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:55:57 -0500 Subject: Concrete Blonde (was Re: BRAIN: Review of *Trepanation*) In-Reply-To: "Carl E. Anderson" "Re: BRAIN: Review of *Trepanation*" (Apr 26, 12:54pm) Message-ID: > > Johnette is/was the singer for Concrete Blonde. If you like > > BOC stuff I think you might like CB too. The material is > > at least interesting along the lines of the old BOC stuff. > > Was--they've split now. Good band. Ossian's Ride (my old band) > used to rip off their cover of Leonard Cohen's "Everybody Knows" :) > > I hear Johnette has a new band, but I don't remember the name. The band in Pretty & Twisted. They have a self-titled CD out on Warner Bros. It is in a similar vein to Concrete Blonde and not bad at all. I think it sounds more sparse than the later CB songs, though. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 Yea, though I ski down the mountain at 40 MPH with no idea what is around the next switchback, I shall have no fear, for at 12,000 feet, there is no longer enough oxygen for my brain to understand the term. From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Apr 26 11:01:11 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:01:11 -0500 Subject: HW sorta: Simon House's Yassassim? In-Reply-To: <9604251957.AA00705@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Craig Shipley wrote: > First of all, has this CD received domestic US release? Ain't seen hide > 'nor hair of it _anywhere_. Is this a ltd. edition or is it sold "under > the counter", what?!?! Mike Coleman has it for $13+S&H [ (214)9916621 ]. I know because he has a stack of Griffin Yassassims on the table in his kitchen. :) Damon Capehart | To know recursion, you must first know recursion. aka Le Monsieur |-------------------------------------------------- dcapehar at utdallas.edu | The Society of Physics Students at UTD From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Apr 26 11:36:44 1996 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:36:44 -0400 Subject: blotto Message-ID: >The dictators had two songs that COULD offend [at least politically, >their whole oeuvre might likely offend some musically as well!] e.g. >'Back to Africa,' and 'Master Race Rock,' though the latter says >nothing whatever negative about any ethnic group, but rather >proclaims the band as members of the master race, and then lists >many of the dubious distinctions which qualify them as such. Yeah, they proclaimed themselves members of the Master Race and then proceeded to describe themselves. It wasn't a pretty description. Needless to say, I wouldn't WANT to be a member of their Master Race. R. "We're the members of the Master Race. We got no style and we got no grace. Sleep all night, sleep all day. Nothing good on TV anyway." LOL!! From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Apr 26 12:00:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:00:00 EDT Subject: BRAIN: tBS BS Message-ID: >The band in Pretty & Twisted. They have a self-titled CD out on >Warner Bros. It is in a similar vein to Concrete Blonde and not bad >at all. I think it sounds more sparse than the later CB songs, >though. >Frank On this list that is "Eponymous." Speaking of "Eponymous" I was at Lechmere looking at the general "B" section of CDs in the vague hope of finding "Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams" (it could happen). Found BOC stuff there (they don't rate a special separator here) and right after them, a copy of "Eponymous." Two bands moving in different directions. >A new pressing will ship May 7. >The catalogue number to tell dopey clerks who claim they never heard of it is >Ripe2211. Both of the CDs (Eponymous is Ripe2204) are now being carried by >Ripe & Ready via a new company called Big Daddy Distribution. Keep in mind >that many independent CDs are not carried in some chains and mall-type stores A 2nd pressing - congrats. The Lechmere I mentioned above is one of the anchors at the Cambridge Galleria. Rudy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Apr 26 12:02:00 1996 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:02:00 EDT Subject: Calling Wylie - re HW: Remasters and more Message-ID: Sorry to use the list for personal stuff, but my system doesn't provide mail headers for individuals. Wylie, I'm interested in getting the remasters plus Alien 4 and the Brock solo. Can you get all these? Let me know. (You aren't in the BOC-L directory either.) Also, what's your P&H policy? Rudy rudich at volpe2.dot.gov From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Apr 26 12:23:27 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:23:27 -0400 Subject: blotto Message-ID: >"We're the members of the Master Race. We got no style and we got no grace. > Sleep all night, sleep all day. Nothing good on TV anyway." LOL!! "and now it's Springtime for Hitler and Germany Winter for Poland and France We're marching to a faster pace look out, here comes the master race...." +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 26 17:28:21 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:28:21 BST Subject: HW & Prize! In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:53:16 +0100 Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > I keep forgetting to mention this... at the Brixton HW gig ('95) (baaad > memory or what!) Dr. Big.Mike.Wright gave me a Chris McMahon > Tape which amongst other bizarre tracks has a cover version of 'Lost > Johnny' - the tape in itself is quite pleasant (love the Fish Musique > Mike!) but I think it was intended to be past around > boc-l......so who's next for a listen of this music extravaganza? > > First person to e-mail me with the correct answer to the following > question will win possession of the tape (or lose depending on your taste!). > > Q. Following the 1985 Bob Geldoff 'Band Aid' concert Hawkwind headlined > a benefit gig for the same cause..... in which english county was it held? > > ummm - I think the town was St. Albans which makes the county Hertford (or Hertfordshire) although this may have subsequently been altered by various county and district re-organisations that I've not been keeping track of!! Nohow - if it was St. Albans then the county was Hertford - whatever it may be now! Do I get the prize 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Apr 26 12:44:01 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:44:01 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Trepanation Message-ID: I have an extra copy of *Trepanation* (I bought a few extras awhile back as gifts to turn some people on the the band). If someone is looking for a copy, but can't find it in their local stores (and didn't take advantage of ordering direct from the band when they had them), send me a private e-mail to: jswartz at mitre.org John From fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Fri Apr 26 17:56:32 1996 From: fofp at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:56:32 BST Subject: HW & Prize! In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:53:16 +0100 Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > I keep forgetting to mention this... at the Brixton HW gig ('95) (baaad > memory or what!) Dr. Big.Mike.Wright gave me a Chris McMahon > Tape which amongst other bizarre tracks has a cover version of 'Lost > Johnny' - the tape in itself is quite pleasant (love the Fish Musique > Mike!) but I think it was intended to be past around > boc-l......so who's next for a listen of this music extravaganza? > > First person to e-mail me with the correct answer to the following > question will win possession of the tape (or lose depending on your taste!). > > Q. Following the 1985 Bob Geldoff 'Band Aid' concert Hawkwind headlined > a benefit gig for the same cause..... in which english county was it held? Norwich wasn't it? I have a video of them playing Brainstorm at the gig. FoFP From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Fri Apr 26 13:15:53 1996 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:15:53 EDT Subject: BRAIN: Review of *Trepanation* Message-ID: > I hear Johnette has a new band, but I don't remember the name. Last disc was something called Pretty n Twisted. I haven't really listened to it yet. it's collecting dust somewhere. I think it was with an ex soiuxsee n banchees someone or another. YOu can find out more at http://web.cs.ualberta.ca/~mah/CB// Concrete Blonde Web Site RR From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Fri Apr 26 13:33:52 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:33:52 -0700 Subject: kronos/busted cross? In-Reply-To: <960425074114_477903522@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Andy Gilham wrote: > Steve P said > > >The swastika is an almost universal symbol for the sun. [...] > >The BOC symbol bears no relation to it at all. > > Oh, absolutely - but I expect it could remind some people of a swastika, > especially when you slap it on the side of a bloody Messerschmitt! I think > Pearlman must have known what he was doing - and I think that what he was > doing was flirting with the fetishistic aspects of Nazism, and challenging > taboos. Which are both fair enough! But are sadly open to > misinterpretation. > > > Has it been determined for > >certain that the BOC symbol is the Kronos symbol? I remember the Kronos > >symbol being significantly different (but I haven't looked for a while) > > The alchemical Kronos/Saturn symbol is more like a lower-case "h" with a > cross-bar, but it's broadly similar. I thought the BOC symbol was an > invention, designed to look sinister. > > - Andy > I have a copy of Arthur Edward Waite's "Book of Ceremonial Magic", which in one of the pentacles described in the book has a symbol identical to the Blue Oyster Cult 'Kronos' symbol within it's boundaries. I can't recall the exact pentacle, but it's fairly well into the text. BTW, Waite's book is NOT an occult text in the sense of an instruction book. He describes various books of Black Magic and provides commentary on their flaws/mistakes/errors. -Passerby From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Fri Apr 26 13:37:38 1996 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:37:38 -0700 Subject: BOC: Swastikas and Me.262s! In-Reply-To: <960425141839_280471314@emout14.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: > subversive! It presents a scene from World War Two, and invites us - and > it's intended, really, for a US audience, but it works in Britain just as > well (if not better) - to identify with "the enemy"; to be open-minded enough > to see things from their viewpoint. This is *really* unusual - of all the > many WW2 films, for instance, I can only think of two, off-hand, which are > told from a German point of view (_Cross of Iron_ and _The Keep_, fwiw), and > in neither of those are they fighting western troops. What the song's How about "Das Boot?" -Passerby (and submariner) From stayer at PI.NET Fri Apr 26 22:08:53 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 19:08:53 PDT Subject: HW & Prize! Message-ID: >I keep forgetting to mention this... at the Brixton HW gig ('95) (baaad >memory or what!) Dr. Big.Mike.Wright gave me a Chris McMahon >Tape which amongst other bizarre tracks has a cover version of 'Lost >Johnny' - the tape in itself is quite pleasant (love the Fish Musique >Mike!) but I think it was intended to be past around >boc-l......so who's next for a listen of this music extravaganza? Shit, I got a bad memory as well! (I've got a back-up on tape somewhere, though.) I have got this tape in my possession for ages. Chris McMahon Reveals The Truth About Flying Saucers. It could have been a nice filler for the cover tapes. The two sides are marked 'Mellow Side' with two songs: Electrick Fish Music (24:55) and Far Over Misty Mountains (4:35) (with lyrics by JRR Tolkien); and the 'Not So Mellow Side', including the Lost Johnny (4:25) cover. Lovely tape. Jerry From jguizar at EPIX.NET Thu Apr 25 17:15:23 1996 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:15:23 +2000 Subject: answer echo, answer echo... In-Reply-To: <199604262227.WAA05581@aardvark.apana.org.au> Message-ID: In <199604262227.WAA05581 at aardvark.apana.org.au>, on 04/26/96 at 11:30 PM, Assassin Sonique said: >On 25 Apr 96 J Strobridge wrote about answer echo, answer echo...: >> I've also just received a normal CD copy of Alien 4 from C&D - obviously >> their computers are acting a tad retrospectively since I ordered this >> about 6 months ago and I'd completely forgotten about it. >> >> Am I owing anyone a copy of this? I know I offered to get a load of >> Alien 4 stuff when it came out and I have a feeling the jewel case >> version was one of that lot. If I'm still due to send it to someone >> (Paul Ward perhaps?) could you let me know!! >As the Spider said to the Fly ... "Not I!" >Don't you think I'd complain (as I do) *Bitterly* if I'd waited this >long? If nobody claims it and you still want to get rid of it, let me know Jill. I don't have it yet. ----------------------------------------------------------- jguizar at epix.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Sat Apr 27 14:54:07 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 14:54:07 -0400 Subject: BOC: Blue Pearl Message-ID: Got a whole load of stuff this morning from Luke in Toulouse - quite a nifty little fanzine! Yes, it is mostly in French (and fairly colloquial French at that), but there's enough English content to make at least some issues of interest to everybody. For instance, there's a great interview with Al, reprinted from 1977, in which (inter alia) he expresses a fondness for Philip Jose Farmer's _Image of the Beast_. Way to go, Al! Other interesting stuff includes some translations of lyrics into French (although he does make one or two amusing mistakes with American idiom), some reviews of _Cult Classic_ that make me look rather indulgent, and, especially, some letters from Joe (some in English, some translated). And apart from anything else, you have to take your hat off to someone who starts a BOC fanzine, in French, in 1993! And keeps it going for over 10 issues! Also, he sent me a wants list, which as well as including a fair bit of rare BOC, had some Hawkwind and Angels! Ce zigue a du gout, lui! - Andy From epresley at IU.NET Sat Apr 27 19:35:11 1996 From: epresley at IU.NET (Eddie W. Presley Jr.) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 19:35:11 -0400 Subject: BOC: Song lyrics Message-ID: Hey, can someone post or e-mail me or point me to, the lyrics to the following (unreleased) BOC tunes: Half Life Time, Gil Blanco County, and The Girl That Made Love Blind? Does someone out there have a recorded copy of these tunes I could swap with or otherwise obtain a copy? Why haven't these tunes been released? (Besides the obvious neglect... :) Much obliged... eddie I am Buzzardo presley From stayer at PI.NET Sat Apr 27 18:24:24 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 15:24:24 PDT Subject: bad masters Message-ID: Some time ago I mailed about bad BOC masters. Cult Classic, Fragile Records. Burning For You, at 02:37 (beginning of the second chorus), the music jumps back half a second or so. Is this also the case with the Disky release? Secret Treaties, CDCBS 32055, red lettering Cagey Cretins, at 01:39 (during guitar solo) the tape got a bit wobbly there. How's this on the green lettered version? Jerry From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Apr 28 07:17:04 1996 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Assassin Sonique) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 22:17:04 +1100 Subject: BRAIN: tBS BS Message-ID: On 26 Apr 96 Rudich, Robert A wrote about BRAIN: tBS BS: > finding "Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams" (it could happen). Found BOC stuff > there (they don't rate a special separator here) and right after them, a Strangely, I was at a record fair today, and one of the stalls had the 'B' section seperated with an old "Career of Evil" cover .... good thing it wasn't a HW LP or I would have cried ..... -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://www.pcmicro.com.au/~Sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM Sun Apr 28 11:41:57 1996 From: dacombj at CSC-SHIRLEY.E-MAIL.COM (Jeremy Dacombe) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 11:41:57 EDT Subject: HW: Not live Message-ID: --- Received from LIMEMO1.DACOMBJ 4709 28/04/96 16.41 -> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBMMAIL INTERNET GATEWAY INTERNET Hi all, I realise that lately I keep asking for lists, BUT, has anybody ever compiled a list of HW songs that the band have NEVER played live? If so, I'd love to see a copy please. Cheers, Jez. From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 29 10:27:01 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 10:27:01 BST Subject: HW: Alien4 vs Ali(2e)ne4 Message-ID: I've just discovered that there *is* a difference between the Jewel case and the Digipak version of Alien4 - The Digipak cover normalised the title of the album to read Alien4 on the spine whereas the jewel box version has obviously had the cover reprinted and it now reads Alieene4 on the spine (with the 2nd e reversed). Does anyone know a way of reproducing a backwards e for the discography/codex? 8-)) Yours pedantically jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Mon Apr 29 07:08:51 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 07:08:51 -0400 Subject: BOC: Sacha Reins Message-ID: In one issue of Blue Pearl, Luke unleashes a torrent of invective against a certain Sacha Reins, for writing an "article vomitoire... sur un concert a Cincinnatti en 1974"... "un des responsables, peut-etre meme le chef d'escadrille, des pseudo-denonciateurs de l'ideologie nazillone du BOC". I don't think you need to read French to get the gist! Anyone know anything more about this "trou du cul", as Luke calls him? - Andy From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Mon Apr 29 09:04:00 1996 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 08:04:00 -0500 Subject: Remaster decision Message-ID: I have been trying to figure out if one should desperately go out and buy the new HW remasters, as there were only 4000 made. Are these likely to disappear and become a rarity??? I am still holding out hope that Griffin will be able to release them in the US.... What do you all think? SCott ObCD: Capt. Lockheed and the Starfighters.... From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 29 08:09:17 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 08:09:17 -0400 Subject: bad masters Message-ID: I did not notice a jump on Burnin' for You on the Disky release (aka "Champions of Rock") of "Cult Classic" - but then again, I've got to go back and check "Cult Classic", because I don't recall the jump on "Cult Classic". The wobble on Cagey Cretins is on the green-lettered (U.S.) CD of "Secret Treaties". John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Apr 29 08:31:57 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 08:31:57 -0400 Subject: BOC: Song lyrics Message-ID: Buzzardo Presley writes: Hey, can someone post or e-mail me or point me to, the lyrics to the following (unreleased) BOC tunes: Half Life Time, Gil Blanco County, and The Girl That Made Love Blind? Does someone out there have a recorded copy of these tunes I could swap with or otherwise obtain a copy? Why haven't these tunes been released? (Besides the obvious neglect... :) Much obliged... Albert once posted the lyrics to Gil Blanco County and The Girl That Love Made Blind. I haven't seen lyrics posted for Half-Life Time, however if you know the spoken-word intro to *Club Ninja*'s "When The War Comes", then you have some of the lyrics (Howard Stern's spoken intro is lifted right from the lyrics to Half-Life Time). As far as obtaining a recorded copy of these tunes, these should not be traded without the consent of the song's creator. I adhere to Bolle Gregmar's code on unreleased stuff -- he has a wealth of unreleased BOC songs, outtakes and the like, and he will play them for you if you visit his "museum", but he will not make you copies. These gems have been provided to him by various members of the band, but he has agreed not to disseminate this material. Anyone else who has copies of unreleased material should check with the source (i.e. the band) before making and distributing copies of this stuff. As far as why these tunes haven't been released, you should probably refer to the FAQ on the whole issue with *Imaginos* but in a nutshell, the original project had between 2 and 3 albums worth of material, so some stuff was left off for inclusion on future parts 2 and 3 - along with either other songs that were never written, or other old BOC songs. Of course, *Imaginos* has been pretty much abandoned by BOC, and Albert Bouchard is now onto another project - The Brain Surgeons John From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon Apr 29 11:11:42 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 11:11:42 -0400 Subject: Remaster decision In-Reply-To: <01I43UVA31UM2BP9R8@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> from "Scott Heller" at Apr 29, 96 08:04:00 am Message-ID: Scott Heller writes: > > I have been trying to figure out if one should desperately go out and > buy the new HW remasters, as there were only 4000 made. Are these > likely to disappear and become a rarity??? I am still holding out hope > that Griffin will be able to release them in the US.... What do you > all think? Well, the description that I read here stated that they had pressed 4000 "each", and had sold "2500". I presume that means that they have sold 2500/16000. So I don't think they're going to become unavailable any time soon. But, having said that... unless it's a real financial hardship, I would still get them soon, just to be safe. You don't want to miss these, you really don't. I have said that old albums recorded for vinyl usually don't sound as good when you put them on CD. I'm not really a vinylphile, I just know that albums that were recorded for vinyl almost always sound better on vinyl. These new remasters break that rule. Take _Doremi_ for instance - if I didn't know Hawkwind - if someone just played the new EMI remaster for me, I would think that Hawkwind was some retro psychedelic Monster Magnet type band, and I was listening to their new album, recorded in 1996. The guitars are so intense that they'll burn holes in your ears. The hiss is *gone*, despite the fact that the treble has been *increased*. The whole album used to sound like it was recorded through microphones wrapped in wet felt. Now it sounds like it was recorded in a modern digital studio. You've probably heard what Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs can make old vinyl-age recordings sound like. These new EMI releases sound *better*. Steve From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Apr 29 12:24:14 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:24:14 +0100 Subject: Remaster decision In-Reply-To: <199604291511.LAA24355@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Apr 29, 96 11:11:42 am Message-ID: > > I have been trying to figure out if one should desperately go out and > > buy the new HW remasters, as there were only 4000 made. Are these > > likely to disappear and become a rarity??? I am still holding out hope > > that Griffin will be able to release them in the US.... What do you > > all think? > > unless it's a real financial hardship, I > would still get them soon, just to be safe. I agree. Once I have the money I am definitely going to complete my collection of the remasters. *Never* trust HW stuff to stay around, no matter how likely it may seem. You can never tell when Doug Smith will abscond to Mars with all printed copies ;) > if someone just played the new EMI remaster for > me, I would think that Hawkwind was some retro psychedelic Monster > Magnet type band, and I was listening to their new album, recorded in > 1996. The guitars are so intense that they'll burn holes in your > ears. The hiss is *gone*, despite the fact that the treble has been > *increased*. And they really are tremendously well done, as Steve says. I don't think I ever really appreciated Doremi until I heard the remaster. It's utterly tremendous. _SR_ was already great for the live intensity, but with the incredible sound of the remaster it goes into really amazing levels of coolness beyond the stratosphere and entering low earth orbit! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK Mon Apr 29 18:25:29 1996 From: eset08 at TATTOO.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 18:25:29 BST Subject: Remaster decision In-Reply-To: 617's message of Mon, 29 Apr 1996 08:04:00 -0500 Message-ID: 617 writes: > I have been trying to figure out if one should desperately go out and > buy the new HW remasters, as there were only 4000 made. Are these > likely to disappear and become a rarity??? I am still holding out hope > that Griffin will be able to release them in the US.... What do you > all think? > Go for it! Even if they re-issue the remasters (which might happen if they eventually sell out) my guess is that they'll come out in ordinary packaging and the superswish fold-out covers are really something special. Even if you buy one every couple of months and spin it out I'd still recommend picking them up as soon as possible. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at tattoo.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Apr 29 17:19:10 1996 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 17:19:10 -0400 Subject: OFF: Pink Floyd Video Message-ID: Hello all, I have a question about a Pink Floyd video that a guy I trade with put at the end of a copy of Night of the Hawks as filler. It is from 1966, and in the titles, they are refered to as The Pink Floyd. It is in a club in London(?) called The UFO Club. They start out doing Interstellar Overdrive, and then I can not recognize the second song. Does anyone else have this video, and if so, do you know the name of the second song? The drums in it suggest the beginnings of Set the Controls... but they all kinda go off into different tangents musically. Thanks in advance, Duane -- "There's a Starman waiting in the sky, he'd like to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds." Bowie From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Mon Apr 29 17:23:25 1996 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:23:25 -0500 Subject: HW sorta: Simon House's Yassassim? In-Reply-To: Craig Shipley "HW sorta: Simon House's Yassassim?" (Apr 25, 3:57pm) Message-ID: Craig Shipley wrote: > First of all, has this CD received domestic US release? Ain't seen hide > 'nor hair of it _anywhere_. Is this a ltd. edition or is it sold "under > the counter", what?!?! My copy is a cardboard foldout digipack from EBS. As an interesting side note, the back cover says "Licensed to The Emergency Broadcast System by D.Brock, A Davey, R Chadwick". Songs: Yassasim, Orion, Northlands, Omedlor Rides Again, Laithwaite Star Drive, Neuroscape, Sherwood, Oldayze The whole album is instrumental. > Secondly, for those of you who have heard it, what does it sound like? > Solo effort, a band backing him up, ethnic-rock, ambient, rap, what?? Hmm... It's a bit hard to describe. It has rock aspects, but the only song that I would say really cranks is Yassasim. It has definite ambient / new age aspects, but I wouldn't really call any of the songs mellow. It has spacey, whooshy aspects, but it also has parts where a simple acoustic piano dominates. The song Sherwood I would describe as Enya on steroids with Simon's violin thrown in for good measure (this is a positive comparison, BTW). Simon's violin is present across the entire CD without being oppressive. In fact, I wish that it were more prevalent in spots. It's hard to classify this as a House solo effort. On one hand, his violin is almost omnipresent and his touch is recognizable. On the other hand, the CD is not a centerpiece for his playing like the ones by, say, Yngwie Malmsteen and Steve Vai are for them. Overall, I like the album and would recommend it to fans of his work with Hawkwind. Just don't expect it to be a Hawkwind album. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (847) 576-3110 | fax: (847) 576-3240 I don't practice what I preach, because I'm not the kind of person I'm preaching to. -- Bob Dobbs. From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Apr 29 19:09:42 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 18:09:42 EST Subject: OFF: Pink Floyd Video Message-ID: > I have a question about a Pink Floyd video that a guy I trade >with put at the end of a copy of Night of the Hawks as filler. > >It is from 1966, and in the titles, they are refered to as The Pink >Floyd. It is in a club in London(?) called The UFO Club. They >start out doing Interstellar Overdrive, and then I can not >recognize the second song. Does anyone else have this video, and >if so, do you know the name of the second song? The drums in it >suggest the beginnings of Set the Controls... but they all kinda go >off into different tangents musically. > Thanks in advance, >Duane I've got this one. About 25 mins long, it is from a studio session that features Syd Barrett himself, and is probably (one of) the best quality clips to actually show ol' Crazy Diamond in action. Syd is the guy with the mustache, and a striped shirt? I believe. The first song is "Interstellar Overdrive", and features the early Floyd in the studio. The second is called "Nick's Boogie", and is a free-form jam based loosely around the Nick Mason's drums. The video accompanying "N.B." is from the 24-Hour Technicolor Dream, or some silly name like that. :-) This was a major Happening[tm] in London in the late sixties. If you look close you'll see both Paul McCartney and John Lennon wandering around, as well as Yoko Ono before she actually met Lennon (take note trivia fans!). There were many bands that played at the Roundhouse (?location unsure - it is written down at home) for this special event. It can be compared to the San Francisco 'Family Dog' acid parties that Bill Graham used to throw with Santana, the Dead, and the Airplane. The first clip ("I.O.") is from the sessions for the movie 'Tonight Let's All Make Love in London', if I remember right. There is a full-length soundtrack CD to this movie containing both songs, plus others (non-PF) from the film. Both PF songs have also been issued on a CD-single also called 'TLAMLIL' that contains only the two PF songs. "Nick's Boogie" has never appeared elsewhere, other than this one recording. This video has become pretty widely available in the last 2 years, typically retailing for about $20-25. It comes with a nice color cover featuring Syd holding an accoustic guitar. I believe the title is "Pink Floyd - London 1966-67", or something similar. Captain "Pink Floyd" Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Apr 29 19:40:31 1996 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 18:40:31 EST Subject: HW sorta: Simon House's Yassassim? Message-ID: > Secondly, for those of you who have heard it, what does it sound like? > Solo effort, a band backing him up, ethnic-rock, ambient, rap, what?? Frank did a good job of describing this one, I thought. One other impression it left on me, however, is that 'Yassassim' is a more rock-oriented version of the same stuff that Simon put out as Spiral Realms, except not quite as "techno". There seems to be a little more of the song structure that we traditionally recognize in progressive music on 'Yassassim', as opposed to some of the ambient-type soundscapes that pop up on 'Trip to G9' and 'Crystal Jungles of Eos', or the Annubian Lights stuff. Perhaps it is a decreased dependency on drum machines, I dunno... And the increased prominency of Simon's violin is a treat. The best Spiral Realms stuff is where Simon concentrates on the violin. In brief: Yassassim - spacy, swooshy progressive Spiral Realms - spacy, swooshy techno Captain "got my Griffin Yassassim at Delta Wave" Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObWorthApologizingFor: using the word "progressive" to describe music that encourages thought... From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Mon Apr 29 20:36:49 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 20:36:49 -0400 Subject: Eric on Imaginos Message-ID: Carl says: > Ampeg for guitar? I know they are supposed to be pretty classic >for basses, but I never met a guitarist using them. And I never had The Regal Tones (Joe & my band) were powered with 2 Ampeg ReverboRockets plus Fender Bassman and EV PA for the lenght of my high school career. Al From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Apr 30 03:50:41 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 02:50:41 -0500 Subject: Remaster decision Message-ID: On 29-APR-1996 11:23:58.0 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >These new remasters break that rule. Take _Doremi_ for instance - if I >didn't know Hawkwind - if someone just played the new EMI remaster for >me, I would think that Hawkwind was some retro psychedelic Monster >Magnet type band, and I was listening to their new album, recorded in >1996. The guitars are so intense that they'll burn holes in your >ears. The hiss is *gone*, despite the fact that the treble has been >*increased*. The whole album used to sound like it was recorded >through microphones wrapped in wet felt. Now it sounds like it was >recorded in a modern digital studio. You've probably heard what Mobile >Fidelity Sound Labs can make old vinyl-age recordings sound like. >These new EMI releases sound *better*. I haven't even heard these remasters yet, so I'm not really judging them, but with the sound being so drastically different from the originals, doesn't it bother anyone? I mean, sure the production of Doremi from a techincal standpoint was atrocious, but that's just the way it was, it's still a classic album, partly BECAUSE of the raw production, and I feel like I'd be uncomfortable if it actually had a more modern sound/production. How much can an album be messed with, with it still being the same album? >Steve Chuck `[1;35;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Apr 30 04:00:32 1996 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 03:00:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Another SA cover?? Message-ID: Just saw an article on an on-line metal fanzine called The Koffin refer to a new CD-rom/EP called "Happy" by a band called Misery Loves Company (on Earache Records). One of the songs on the EP is "a remix of 'Sonic Attack'". That's all I know for now. I asked if the credits are Michael Moorcock. Hopefully I'll get an answer soon. Sorry of this was already known to the list, but I've been following this stuff pretty well, and it sure doesn't sound familiar. And I sure as hell ain't trying to call a halt to the cover tapes -- if we don't draw the line somewhere, they'll never be komplete! But I thought I'd ask if anyone knows anything about it... Chuck From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Apr 30 05:31:45 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 05:31:45 -0400 Subject: BOC: Don't hold your breath, but... Message-ID: EB reports to AOL: ---- Subj: New Record Deal Signed Date: 29/04/96 22:25:13 From: OYSTRBOY The paper work now finished, we can announce the signing of BOC to SVP Records, based in Germany. We hope to be recording during the Summer and Fall of '96 , playing a few shows inbetween. Release date is hopefully 1st quarter of '97. As of now, SVP is releasing the record to everywhere in the world, except the USA and Canada, so we are under discussion with American companies for domestic distribution. ---- - Andy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 30 06:10:55 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:10:55 +0100 Subject: Remaster decision In-Reply-To: <01I44Y2BRIIK9C0FP3@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Apr 30, 96 02:50:41 am Message-ID: > I haven't even heard these remasters yet, so I'm not really judging them, > but with the sound being so drastically different from the originals, > doesn't > it bother anyone? I mean, sure the production of Doremi from a techincal > standpoint was atrocious, but that's just the way it was, it's still a > classic album, partly BECAUSE of the raw production, > and I feel like > I'd be uncomfortable if it actually had a more modern sound/production. How > much can an album be messed with, with it still being the same album? Naw, they haven't *remixed* it, just remastered it. The performance is the same as always--loads of fuzz and mud :) But the transfer to disc has been done properly so you can hear it. Put it this way: it sounds *much* closer to they way it did in the studio when it was being recorded than it did on the One Way CD, and probably even than the original vinyl on a nice LP-player. In other words, it sounds the way it _should_! Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 30 06:12:53 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:12:53 +0100 Subject: Eric on Imaginos In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Apr 29, 96 08:36:49 pm Message-ID: > > Ampeg for guitar? I know they are supposed to be pretty classic > >for basses, but I never met a guitarist using them. And I never had > > The Regal Tones (Joe & my band) were powered with 2 Ampeg ReverboRockets > plus Fender Bassman and EV PA for the lenght of my high school career. Hmmmm. I get the feeling this was before my time ... ;) Does Ampeg _make_ ReverboRockets any more? :) I suppose Fender still makes Bassmen is one or more forms, since their reasonably classic. Cheers, Carl From fredrik.vestin at INFOTEAM.SE Tue Apr 30 07:53:12 1996 From: fredrik.vestin at INFOTEAM.SE (Fredrik Vestin) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:53:12 +0100 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock Message-ID: Howdy! Can anyone tell me what songs are on the BOC compilation "Champions of Rock" Thank you Fredrik From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 30 07:43:16 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:43:16 +0100 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: Have the lyrics files met their demise yet? I'm in need to the lyrics to "Dominance & Submission" and "I Am the One You Warned Me Of", as I'm hoping to convince my band here in Cambridge to cover one or the other. I actually own a copy of Bolle's official lyric book, but unfortunately it's in the States (yeah, I know--I brought my Icelandic dictionary over but not my BOC lyric book: where *are* my priorities ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 30 08:06:10 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:06:10 -0400 Subject: Eric on Imaginos Message-ID: > I suppose Fender still makes Bassmen is one or more forms, since their reasonably classic. Yes, they have a reissue of the '59 Bassman amp. It doesn't appear that they have a complete line of Bassman amps anymore other than this reissue. Their main line of bass amps these days is the "BXR" solid state amps (I've got one of these), and their "Rumble Bass" all-tube units. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 30 08:07:12 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:07:12 -0400 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock Message-ID: >Can anyone tell me what songs are on the BOC compilation "Champions of Rock" Sure, all the songs that are on "Cult Classic" as "Champions of Rock" is just a European issuing of "Cult Classic" John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 30 08:18:44 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:18:44 -0400 Subject: BOC: Don't hold your breath, but... Message-ID: >The paper work now finished, we can announce the signing of BOC to SVP Records, based in Germany. This would seem to be good news - at least a step in some direction (positive or negative). > We hope to be recording during the Summer and Fall of '96 , playing a few shows inbetween. I thought that a good portion of the album was already recorded. How much more time do they need? >Release date is hopefully 1st quarter of '97. Well, like Andy says, don't hold your breath - but perhaps it'll be better than hearing Eric say "in the future" at BOC shows. >As of now, SVP is releasing the record to everywhere in the world, except the USA and Canada, so we are under discussion with American companies for domestic distribution. Well, now this is the kicker, isn't it? They finally get a record deal, and the company doesn't plan on releasing the album in North America -- boy this sounds more like the story of Spinal Tap every day. I mean, really - how big is BOC overseas? And, if they ARE big overseas, you sure wouldn't know it by BOC's current touring schedule. So, if I assume that most of BOC's fans are in the U.S., then I have to question the wisdom of getting a record deal with a company that isn't going to release the album there! Sure, some of us fans over here will get themselves copies (I'm sure Goldmine will have dealers that advertise there that will get copies - note: I'm not talking about bootlegs), but one of the main reasons for getting this CD out is to try to appeal to the major BOC market, as well as potential new fans -- unless these guys plan to tour Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, Antarctica, and South America extensively in the future, I don't see how the band is going to win over any new fans. Geez, if they were going to go this route, you'd think they could've self-produced the thing and made it available to the U.S. that way. Well . . . we'll just have to wait and see what develops now I guess . . . John From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Apr 30 08:39:16 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:39:16 -0400 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: > Have the lyrics files met their demise yet? I'm in need to the >lyrics to "Dominance & Submission" and "I Am the One You Warned Me Of", >as I'm hoping to convince my band here in Cambridge to cover one or the >other. > I actually own a copy of Bolle's official lyric book, but >unfortunately it's in the States (yeah, I know--I brought my Icelandic >dictionary over but not my BOC lyric book: where *are* my priorities ;) D&S are inside ETL, if you brought that. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Apr 30 08:55:02 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:55:02 -0400 Subject: BOC: Don't hold your breath, but... Message-ID: John said >Well, now this is the kicker, isn't it? They finally get a record deal, >and the company doesn't plan on releasing the album in North America -- >boy this sounds more like the story of Spinal Tap every day. I mean, >really - how big is BOC overseas? You have to wonder, don't you! OTOH, if they really have pissed off all the US labels, then they're probably bigger in Germany than anywhere else. I mean, if the likes of Saxon can still play sold-out tours in Germany... "SVP" probably stands for "Sandy Von Pearlman" anyway :) - Andy From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Tue Apr 30 08:59:26 1996 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 08:59:26 -0400 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: Carl > I actually own a copy of Bolle's official lyric book, but >unfortunately it's in the States (yeah, I know--I brought my Icelandic >dictionary over but not my BOC lyric book: where *are* my priorities ;) So just make something up, and sing it in Icelandic :) - Andy From fredrik.vestin at INFOTEAM.SE Tue Apr 30 10:19:37 1996 From: fredrik.vestin at INFOTEAM.SE (Fredrik Vestin) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 15:19:37 +0100 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock Message-ID: And what songs are on cult classics? Thanks Frede From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 30 10:20:29 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:20:29 EST Subject: Marshall will buoy Message-ID: > > I suppose Fender > still makes Bassmen is one or more forms, since their reasonably classic. > > Yes, they have a reissue of the '59 Bassman amp. It doesn't appear that > they have a complete line of Bassman amps anymore other than this reissue. > Their main line of bass amps these days is the "BXR" solid state amps > (I've got one of these), and their "Rumble Bass" all-tube units. > > John Yeah, but who ever used a Bassman to play bass through? They're one of the all-time great guitar amps ever. But if you want to sava a ton of money, get a Peavey Classic 50. It costs about 300 bucks less, and has overdrive and channel switching. The only thing lacking is the original tweed covering--the Peavey's the right color, just made of tolex for more durability. Still, the Fender reissues are real beauts, just overpriced. I'd say you'd be ahead with a Blues DeVille. Much more versatility and plenty ballsy. I've played through its little brother, the Blues DeLuxe, and thats an amazing amp too, just smaller. theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 30 10:26:50 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:26:50 EST Subject: Go with the gold Message-ID: > Well, now this is the kicker, isn't it? They finally get a record deal, > and the company doesn't plan on releasing the album in North America -- > boy this sounds more like the story of Spinal Tap every day. I mean, > really - how big is BOC overseas? And, if they ARE big overseas, you > sure wouldn't know it by BOC's current touring schedule. So, if I assume > that most of BOC's fans are in the U.S., then I have to question the > wisdom of getting a record deal with a company that isn't going to > release the album there! Sure, some of us fans over here will get This does seem strange. I can only speculate that the German company must be dangling some incentive. Perhaps they're giving them a decent advance to work on the disc? This always seems to be a bone of contention with BOC. They seem to really crave the 'star' treatment. Also, if, as you've said earlier, that the songs are already essentially done, maybe BOC figure it's a sweet deal--get a big advance for tunes you've already done, simply take the money and run, and give the company already-finished songs? Also, it might be good strategy to go with a Euro label at first. Then, if the record's really solid and Americans start clamoring, then, if the record's sold well overseas, it might give them leverage with a US label. This is pure speculation on my part... theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 30 10:30:57 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:30:57 EST Subject: but Ampeg control... Message-ID: > > The Regal Tones (Joe & my band) were powered with 2 Ampeg ReverboRockets > > plus Fender Bassman and EV PA for the lenght of my high school career. > > Hmmmm. I get the feeling this was before my time ... ;) > Does Ampeg _make_ ReverboRockets any more? :) I suppose Fender > still makes Bassmen is one or more forms, since their reasonably classic. > > Cheers, > Carl Ampeg recently started reissuing them. But don't run out to the store just yet. The problem with them [and the Bassman reissue] is that they have no overdrive, except that achieved by turning the thing on ten [or 12!] So, unless you're in a situation where you can play the thind pegged out, it's not such a great idea, unless you can tolerate the idea of putting a stomp-box in the front of it. But if you're gonna do that, why buy the amp in the first place? theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Apr 30 09:53:52 1996 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:53:52 -0400 Subject: Remaster decision In-Reply-To: <01I44Y2BRIIK9C0FP3@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Apr 30, 96 02:50:41 am Message-ID: > > On 29-APR-1996 11:23:58.0 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 > >These new remasters break that rule. Take _Doremi_ for instance - if I > >didn't know Hawkwind - if someone just played the new EMI remaster for > >me, I would think that Hawkwind was some retro psychedelic Monster > >Magnet type band, and I was listening to their new album, recorded in > >1996. The guitars are so intense that they'll burn holes in your > >ears. The hiss is *gone*, despite the fact that the treble has been > >*increased*. The whole album used to sound like it was recorded > >through microphones wrapped in wet felt. Now it sounds like it was > >recorded in a modern digital studio. You've probably heard what Mobile > >Fidelity Sound Labs can make old vinyl-age recordings sound like. > >These new EMI releases sound *better*. > > >Steve > I haven't even heard these remasters yet, so I'm not really judging them, > but with the sound being so drastically different from the originals, > doesn't > it bother anyone? I mean, sure the production of Doremi from a techincal > standpoint was atrocious, but that's just the way it was, it's still a > classic album, partly BECAUSE of the raw production, > and I feel like > I'd be uncomfortable if it actually had a more modern sound/production. How > much can an album be messed with, with it still being the same album? > > > Chuck > `[1;35;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive > If I may put my $0.02 in... The _production_ of all of the old HW releases will remain as it always has, as that was performed way back when the original tape was cut. Unlike Edgar Froese with some of the "new" old Tangerine Dream material, Brock & Co. are _not_ adding new music/sounds/efx to the remasters. The music remains the _same_, it is how it is being _presented_ is whats' changed. Let's face it, the One Ways were basically just a quick 'n dirty transfer of a tape (master, safety, 2nd/3rd/4th generation, who knows?) to CD. Remastering for CD allows for _all_ the music that was orginally present on the CD to be presented in its' best possible form; i.e., no more rolling off the low end, mono bass, elimination of the RIAA curve, etc. We now hear what was on the master, without all of the sonic artifacts that (rightly/wrongly) coloured the early releases. I _want_ the very best version, sonically, that i can get of a recording. So, don't worry, the raw production will still be there, it'll just sound like it was _meant_ to be. Hoping that my discs arrive today... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Apr 30 10:09:15 1996 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:09:15 -0400 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock Message-ID: Well, here's what the FAQ has to say about "Cult Classic": *Cult Classic* (re-recording of old BOC tunes) Don't Fear The Reaper -- (D. Roeser) E.T.I. (Extraterrestrial Intelligence) -- (S. Pearlman, D. Roeser) M.E. 262 -- (S. Pearlman, E. Bloom, D. Roeser) This Ain't The Summer Of Love -- (D. Roeser, D. Waller, M. Krugman) Burning For You -- (D. Roeser, R. Meltzer) O.D.'d On Life Itself -- (S. Pearlman, E. Bloom, D. Roeser, A. Bouchard) Flaming Telepaths -- (S. Pearlman, E. Bloom, D. Roeser, A. Bouchard) Godzilla -- (D. Roeser) Astronomy -- (S. Pearlman, A. Bouchard, J. Bouchard) Cities on Flame With Rock 'N' Roll -- (S. Pearlman, A. Bouchard, D. Roeser) Harvester Of Eyes -- (R. Meltzer, E. Bloom, D. Roeser) Buck's Boogie -- (D. Roeser) Don't Fear The Reaper (TV Mix) -- (D. Roeser) Godzilla (TV Mix) -- (D. Roeser) Notes: Released in 1994, on Herald Records. Produced by Donald Roeser and Eric Bloom. Executive producer: Steve Schenck. Associate producer: Jeff Kawalek. Instruments: Eric Bloom (lead vocals, guitar, keyboards), Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser (lead guitar, lead vocals, keyboards), Allen Lanier (keyboards, guitars), Jon Rogers (bass, background vocals), Chuck Burgi (drums, percussion, background vocals). The CD was released in 1996 in Europe under the title, "Champions Of Rock". What a valuable reference this FAQ is ;-) No BOC fan should be without it! John From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Apr 30 10:47:28 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:47:28 -0400 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock Message-ID: >Buck's Boogie -- (D. Roeser) > >What a valuable reference this FAQ is ;-) No BOC fan should be without >it! Of course, the FAQ reporting what is listed in the album credits. We can suppose they just didn't play Albert's notes in this piece.... (I know, this is old news...). The FAQ should be included as liner notes in the boxed set. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue Apr 30 11:31:53 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:31:53 -0400 Subject: Remaster decision In-Reply-To: <01I44Y2BRIIK9C0FP3@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Apr 30, 96 02:50:41 am Message-ID: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes: > > On 29-APR-1996 11:23:58.0 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 > >These new remasters break that rule. Take _Doremi_ for instance - if I > >didn't know Hawkwind - if someone just played the new EMI remaster for > >me, I would think that Hawkwind was some retro psychedelic Monster > >Magnet type band, and I was listening to their new album, recorded in > >1996. The guitars are so intense that they'll burn holes in your > >ears. The hiss is *gone*, despite the fact that the treble has been > >*increased*. The whole album used to sound like it was recorded > >through microphones wrapped in wet felt. Now it sounds like it was > >recorded in a modern digital studio. You've probably heard what Mobile > >Fidelity Sound Labs can make old vinyl-age recordings sound like. > >These new EMI releases sound *better*. > > I haven't even heard these remasters yet, so I'm not really judging them, > but with the sound being so drastically different from the originals, > doesn't > it bother anyone? In a word, no. >I mean, sure the production of Doremi from a techincal > standpoint was atrocious, but that's just the way it was, it's still a > classic album, partly BECAUSE of the raw production, > and I feel like > I'd be uncomfortable if it actually had a more modern sound/production. How > much can an album be messed with, with it still being the same album? It's not like the music is any different, it's just that you can hear it now. I'm sorry for any "muffled sound" nostalgia that people might feel for it, but really, I don't want to go back. :) By the way, I was wrong when I said the hiss was *gone*. On some of the quieter passages in _In Search of Space_ (like the intro to _Master of the Universe_, if you listen on a good pair of headphones, Mr. Hiss is still there. Or at least his empty cloak is still hanging there, flapping ineffectually before the rising storm of MotU. ;-) Steve From jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Apr 30 04:57:26 1996 From: jon at COMICS.DEMON.CO.UK (Jon Browne) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:57:26 +0100 Subject: Remaster decision In-Reply-To: <01I44Y2BRIIK9C0FP3@delphi.com> Message-ID: In message <01I44Y2BRIIK9C0FP3 at delphi.com>, HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes > I mean, sure the production of Doremi from a techincal >standpoint was atrocious, but that's just the way it was, it's still a >classic album, partly BECAUSE of the raw production, >and I feel like >I'd be uncomfortable if it actually had a more modern sound/production. How >much can an album be messed with, with it still being the same album? > > > > > > >Steve That's a fair question albeit an academic one, because one listen will dispel any qualms. They really are *the business*! It's not difficult to be in love with that fuzzy authentic sound. I collect loads od 60's garage punk/psyche for precisely that reason. But I think you'd have to be one pedantic purist to hear these and not be impressed.... I would have to disagree that the poor production contributed to (Doremi esp. ) their classic status. No, I think if this album had come out in '72 they would be bigger than the Floyd these days. (Wishful thinking!) It's a classic album because the choons are so good! I'm listening to Space Is Deep right now... Steve, buy this album, buy it, stop reading this, go, now, buy. Scott said.. >Well, the description that I read here stated that they had pressed >4000 "each", and had sold "2500". I presume that means that they have >sold 2500/16000. So I don't think they're going to become unavailable >any time soon. I'm pretty sure he meant 2500/4000 sets but having said that he means 2500 have sold _from EMI_ as oppposed to from the record shops. As far as EMI are concerned they're sold. All 2500 could be in the shops forever, they're still sold as far as the record co. are concerned so I think they'll be around for a while if my local HMV and Our Price are anything to go by. But what I want to know is, why don't you buy them anyway, (apart from lack of cash) - they're brilliant! I guarentee you won't be disappointed. I buy/trade/aquire about 10 CD's a week and I haven't heard anything better this year. Is there anyone who's heard them, who *doesn't* like the remasters? -- Jon Browne From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 30 13:29:47 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:29:47 +0100 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? In-Reply-To: <199604301239.IAA05867@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Apr 30, 96 08:39:16 am Message-ID: > > Have the lyrics files met their demise yet? I'm in need to the > >lyrics to "Dominance & Submission" > > I actually own a copy of Bolle's official lyric book, but > >unfortunately it's in the States (yeah, I know--I brought my Icelandic > >dictionary over but not my BOC lyric book: where *are* my priorities ;) > > D&S are inside ETL, if you brought that. Er, yes, (I've got all the BOC CDs) but that's in the States as well! :} But speaking of ETL, can someone remind me whether Al is drumming on the D&S on ETL? I believe he drummed on some to the ETL tracks, but not all ... Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 30 13:37:02 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:37:02 +0100 Subject: but Ampeg control... In-Reply-To: <7C7D7B42A0C@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Apr 30, 96 09:30:57 am Message-ID: > > > The Regal Tones (Joe & my band) were powered with 2 Ampeg ReverboRockets > > > plus Fender Bassman and EV PA for the lenght of my high school career. > > > > Does Ampeg _make_ ReverboRockets any more? > > Ampeg recently started reissuing them. But don't run out to the > store just yet. No worries, on _that_ score. I have no business buying amps in my current financial situation :P > The problem with them [and the Bassman reissue] is > that they have no overdrive, except that achieved by turning the > thing on ten [or 12!] Good fun, no doubt, but probably bad for the building I live in ... I'm already pushing to low gain tolerances of my tranny bass amp to keep quiet enough for peaceful co-existence with my neighbours ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Apr 30 13:50:49 1996 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:50:49 +0100 Subject: BOC: Don't hold your breath, but... In-Reply-To: <199604301218.IAA26669@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Apr 30, 96 08:18:44 am Message-ID: I see that once again, the boc-l server has dropped me into the middle of a thread. I guess I can expect the first post in a couple of weeks ;) > >The paper work now finished, we can announce the signing of BOC to SVP > >Records, based in Germany. > > This would seem to be good news - at least a step in some direction > (positive or negative). SVP ....? Is that also Motorhead's current label? I know Motorhead is on a German label, which _was_ ZYX, but have a possibly erroneous recollection of Motorhead switching to a different 3-letter German label for _Sacrifice_ .... So poor Eric has had to eat his words about major labels? ;) Well, good. A minor label is better than nothing. And it could be worse in the States--I remember when Motorhead's _Bastards_ showed up on ZYX a fair number of copies showed up in the States at domestic prices despite having "Made in Germany" printed on them. > > We hope to be recording during the Summer and > Fall of '96 , playing a few shows inbetween. > > I thought that a good portion of the album was already recorded. How > much more time do they need? I doubt they'd recorded much. I suspect they might have some demo bits, but I seriously doubt the band has been in the studio since they recorded _Cult Classic_. Maybe Buck has finished building this studio in his house we've heard about occasionally and they'll record there ... Maybe they'll ask to use Al's studio ;) ;) ;) Maybe Al could offer them a deal on Cellsum for US release ;) ;) ;) > >Release date is hopefully 1st > quarter of '97. > > Well, like Andy says, don't hold your breath - but perhaps it'll be better > than hearing Eric say "in the future" at BOC shows. Oh? I recall him saying "Spring of '93" at certain points. I don't see why "1st quarter of '97" need be any more accuarate ... Still, here's hoping ... > So, if I assume > that most of BOC's fans are in the U.S., then I have to question the > wisdom of getting a record deal with a company that isn't going to > release the album there! Maybe, they finally realised they weren't gonna do any better unless they got a move on! > Geez, if they were going to go this route, > you'd think they could've self-produced the thing and made it available > to the U.S. that way. Don't worry. I bet it will be available in England, so we can just set up a service to get BOC albums to the States. Ironic that it used to be HW albums that the UK contingent was sending to the States .... ;) > Well . . . we'll just have to wait and see what develops now I guess . . . As always, with BOC. Will they actually do something worthwhile? Will time take care of them, or will the rise and reverberate? Boy, wouldn't it be embarrassing to get outsold by tBS just because tBS had a US distributor? ;) Cheers, Carl ************************************************************************* Carl Edlund Anderson "So that's Terra. Oohwee, look out ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. wenchlings, here come the Hawklords." cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk -Lord Lemmy (Hawkwind, _Space Ritual_) ************************************************************************* From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 30 14:59:20 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:59:20 EST Subject: Al on ETL Message-ID: > Er, yes, (I've got all the BOC CDs) but that's in the States > as well! :} But speaking of ETL, can someone remind me whether Al is > drumming on the D&S on ETL? I believe he drummed on some to the ETL > tracks, but not all ... > > Cheers, > Carl > Al drummed on D&S and 'Black Blade' on ETL. theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Apr 30 15:00:27 1996 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:00:27 EST Subject: but Ampeg control... Message-ID: > > > Does Ampeg _make_ ReverboRockets any more? > > > > Ampeg recently started reissuing them. But don't run out to the > > store just yet. > > No worries, on _that_ score. I have no business buying amps > in my current financial situation :P > > > The problem with them [and the Bassman reissue] is > > that they have no overdrive, except that achieved by turning the > > thing on ten [or 12!] > > Good fun, no doubt, but probably bad for the building I live in ... > I'm already pushing to low gain tolerances of my tranny bass > amp to keep quiet enough for peaceful co-existence with my neighbours ;) > > Cheers, > Carl > F@#$ 'em if they can't take a joke! theo New and noteworthy: Richard Thompson, You? Me? Us? From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Apr 30 14:14:32 1996 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:14:32 -0400 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: >> > Have the lyrics files met their demise yet? I'm in need to the >> >lyrics to "Dominance & Submission" >> > I actually own a copy of Bolle's official lyric book, but >> >unfortunately it's in the States (yeah, I know--I brought my Icelandic >> >dictionary over but not my BOC lyric book: where *are* my priorities ;) >> >> D&S are inside ETL, if you brought that. > > Er, yes, (I've got all the BOC CDs) but that's in the States >as well! :} But speaking of ETL, can someone remind me whether Al is >drumming on the D&S on ETL? I believe he drummed on some to the ETL >tracks, but not all ... > According to the liner notes (and the FAQ, you didn't leave that, didja?) Al drummed on "Dominance & Submission" and "Black Blade". These two were recorded before (11/2/80 and 10/17/80, respectively) whatever happened happened. The rest were recorded Octover 1981 or later, presumable long enough for Rick to get comfortable (though I wish they could have used a Godzilla from before that, his drum solo in that just doesn't cut it for me...). I don't suppose anyone has heard a tape of Rick's first night out... (Donnington? We need a Behrnard equivalent for BOC on here....). +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------+ Andrew A. Apold, aka "I was corrupt before I had power!" Roger Shrubstaff - Random, upon being accused Chancellor of being corrupted since Barony of Silverwater becoming King.... Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Roger Zelazny, d. 1995) From epresley at IU.NET Tue Apr 30 14:51:58 1996 From: epresley at IU.NET (Eddie W. Presley Jr.) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:51:58 -0400 Subject: BOC: Song Lyrics Message-ID: John wrote: >Albert once posted the lyrics to Gil Blanco County and The Girl That Love >Made Blind. I haven't seen lyrics posted for Half-Life Time, however if >you know the spoken-word intro to *Club Ninja*'s "When The War Comes", >then you have some of the lyrics (Howard Stern's spoken intro is lifted >right from the lyrics to Half-Life Time). Then I would respectfully request that Al repost them here once again along with Half Life Time, or that someone who has archived the Imaginos material on this list repost them here, or e-mail them to me. From what I've read from Al and BOC on these songs, they seem to imply that these are crucial songs from the cycle - as in the key to understanding it and indeed they are made out to be top notch BOC material. They've also said that these songs have been around for quite sometime - I believe I read as far back as the first lp?, so I find it strange that even with WSOTT being released and tBS being active that these songs never found their way onto record - particularly in light of works like CE and Mirrors. I would also like to ask what version Al was referring to when he said that the 'motor city's burning' version of Cities On Flame would fit into the Imaginos story. From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Apr 30 16:42:33 1996 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 15:42:33 -0500 Subject: Remaster decision In-Reply-To: <199604301531.LAA01537@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, Stephen Swann wrote: > By the way, I was wrong when I said the hiss was *gone*. On some of > the quieter passages in _In Search of Space_ (like the intro to _Master > of the Universe_, if you listen on a good pair of headphones, Mr. Hiss > is still there. Or at least his empty cloak is still hanging there, > flapping ineffectually before the rising storm of MotU. ;-) Of course, you do realize that there will always be just a bit of hiss regardless of the amount of hiss in the actual data on the CD. It could all be from your stereo system or the headphones themselves.... unless you can somehow tell the difference. [If you can, tell me how! :) ] Damon Capehart | To know recursion, you must first know recursion. aka Le Monsieur |-------------------------------------------------- dcapehar at utdallas.edu | The Society of Physics Students at UTD From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Tue Apr 30 16:46:29 1996 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:46:29 -0800 Subject: BOC: Don't hold your breath, but... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > Maybe they'll ask to use Al's studio ;) ;) ;) Maybe Al could > offer them a deal on Cellsum for US release ;) ;) ;) I like this idea! Even though the chances are almost zero. -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue Apr 30 17:43:43 1996 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:43:43 -0400 Subject: Remaster decision In-Reply-To: from "Le Monsieur Damon" at Apr 30, 96 03:42:33 pm Message-ID: Le Monsieur Damon writes: > > On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, Stephen Swann wrote: > > By the way, I was wrong when I said the hiss was *gone*. On some of > > the quieter passages in _In Search of Space_ (like the intro to _Master > > of the Universe_, if you listen on a good pair of headphones, Mr. Hiss > > is still there. Or at least his empty cloak is still hanging there, > > flapping ineffectually before the rising storm of MotU. ;-) > > Of course, you do realize that there will always be just a bit of hiss > regardless of the amount of hiss in the actual data on the CD. It could > all be from your stereo system or the headphones themselves.... unless > you can somehow tell the difference. [If you can, tell me how! :) ] Well, when I'm listing on a direct headphone connection from my CD player, there's really no discernable hiss from the system until you turn the volume up to "obscene" (my cd player is plugged into a current smoothing circuit protector, and I have really good headphones). On DDD albums (where there is no tape hiss per se, the only hiss inherent in the recording came from the equipment that the recording was taken from), the hiss simply can't be detected until you turn the volume up all the way, at which point it does become a question of whether you're listening to the intrinsic hiss of the recording or of your own system. So therefore, at at any listening level below "maximum", any hiss that I *do* hear is intrinsic to the recording. Almost all recordings except DDD have some. Recordings from 1971, even ones that were expertly engineered for the time, have LOTS, and a slap-dash recording job like Doremi or In Search really has no business at all sounding as good as it does. :-) Steve From stayer at PI.NET Tue Apr 30 23:15:11 1996 From: stayer at PI.NET (Jerry) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:15:11 PDT Subject: bad masters Message-ID: >I did not notice a jump on Burnin' for You on the Disky release (aka >"Champions of Rock") of "Cult Classic" Ah, great, that one is only 10 guilders, about $ 7. >- but then again, I've got to >go back and check "Cult Classic", because I don't recall the jump on >"Cult Classic". Well, it's on 02:37. Let me know. >The wobble on Cagey Cretins is on the green-lettered (U.S.) CD of >"Secret Treaties". Also on the red-lettered one, so you have to get WotT for a correct version? Jerry From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Apr 30 18:40:19 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:40:19 -0400 Subject: OFF: New Porky Tree..... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey, Folks.... Just saw this brief review on r.m.p......for those interested.... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ There's a new single out by Porcupine Tree, called Waiting. I picked it up yesterday (It was actually in the first shop I went into!) It's excellent. The first track, Waiting is very acoustic, with mellow electric guitar and a real good beat to it. The singing's pretty good, too. The second track is an instrumental which builds up to a nice electric guitar climax, and the third track reminds me very much of Gong's Jazzy period, 74-76. It seems to sound much nicer than the other PT stuff! Can't wait for the album, and concert... Recommended! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ end transmission What's the name of the new album, and when should we expect it?? Anyone know?? And will *all* of this stuff be on the new album?? (I'm guessing not). Is it just me, or does it seem like Mr. Wilson is a bit too eager to get new material released (unlike BOC, I guess), before putting together a complete album?? I mean, the band has (I think) four full-length CD's out (the first two of which are different than the original), but the complete PT discography is already a mile long. And then, of course, TSMS is out in two different formats (UK and NA).... How does anyone who isn't a completist/collector know what he has, or what he still needs??? I think Marillion started out this way also, with a flood of EP's and singles before they got a steady record deal with EMI. Anyway, this is what I have on CD (or will soon have).... The Sky Moves Sideways (UK version) Up the Downstair (UK) On the Sunday of Life Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape How many other various tracks are there available on all the different EP's and other special releases??? Maybe a whole album's worth? I think PT will need to continue in Marillion's footsteps and release a 'B-sides' compilation....HW could've done the same, before throwing them on to all the remasters, other compilations, etc. Keith H. From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Apr 30 19:41:14 1996 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 19:41:14 -0400 Subject: OFF: New Porky Tree..... In-Reply-To: <199604302240.SAA18455@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: To answer my own question..... > > Hey, Folks.... > > What's the name of the new album, and when should we expect it?? It's called 'Signify' and will be out in August on Delerium (I guess UK only for the moment). The single seems a bit early doesn't it?? > And will *all* of this stuff be on the new album?? (I'm guessing not). Still dunno this....maybe they don't either. I also found the PT tour dates for the UK (May)....starts tomorrow!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Glasgow King Tut's (1st) Edinburgh Venue (2nd) Kidderminster Market Tavern (3rd) Wolverhampton Varsity (4th) Northampton Roadmenders (5th) Hull Room (6th) Bristol Fleece and Firkin (8th) Falmouth Pirate (9th) Ashburton Lanterns (10th) Oxford Zodiac (11th) Leeds Duchess (12th) Stoke Wheatsheaf (13th) South Shields Cellar Bar (15th) Liverpool Lomax (16th) Birmingham Flapper & Firkin (17th) Reading Alleycat (18th) Sheffield Leadmill (21st) Leicester Princess Charlotte (22nd) Southampton Joiner's Arms (23rd) London Highbury Garage (24th) Canterbury Penny Theatre (25th) Cambridge Boat Race (26th) There's also mention of the trip to the states, but it doesn't say whether it's a full slate of gigs, or just a one-off performance in Baltimore on June 29. > I think Marillion started out this way also, with a flood of > EP's and singles before they got a steady record deal with EMI. Funny....I also just found out that Steve Wilson is collaborating on Fish's new album. Keith H. From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Tue Apr 30 20:20:22 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:20:22 -0700 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: At 12:43 PM 4/30/96 +0100, you wrote: > Have the lyrics files met their demise yet? I'm in need to the >lyrics to "Dominance & Submission" and "I Am the One You Warned Me Of", >as I'm hoping to convince my band here in Cambridge to cover one or the >other. I can't help you with the latter but here's D&S as best as I can recall from memory (from the green sheet lyrics that I got by sending in my SASE back in the 70's). So without further ado.. Its been 10 years Half my life Just getting ready Then it was time Warpage in the figures Radios appear Midnight was the barrier Back in 1963 [chorus] Each night the girls were in orbit (yes, thats what my lyric sheet said, I remember it clearly) Each night its Suzie's turn to ride While Charles, the one they call her brother Covers on his eyes Murmers in the background... It will be time. Suzie and her brother Charles the grinning boy Put me in the back seat and they took me for a ride The radio was on Can't you dig the locomotion? Kingdoms of the radio 45 RPM (too much revolution then) [chorus] Its past midnight said Charles the grinning boy and looking at me greedily.. Said its 1964... In Times Square now, people do the polka Dominance - Submission New Years Eve, it was the final barrier Dominance - Submission We took you up & put you in the back seat Dominance - Submission >From year to year, we look out for adventure.. Dominance - Submission [infinite repeats] --- Hope that helps.. Lyrics printed without permission (sue me...., no, don't!). Should be about 99% correct. _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From chriss at MDC.NET Tue Apr 30 16:42:20 1996 From: chriss at MDC.NET (Chris and Ginny Sargent) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:42:20 +0100 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: Here are the lyrics as printed in BOC Fan Club Lyric Book: >I spent ten 10 years >Half my life >Just getting ready >Then it was time >Warpage in my figures >Radios appear >Midnight was the barrier >Back in 1963 > >[chorus] >Each night the covers were unfolded >Each night its Suzie's turn to ride >While Charles, the one they call her brother >Covers on his eyes >Murmers in the background... It will be time. > >Suzan and her brother >Charles the grinning boy >Put me in the back seat >and they took me for a ride >Yeah, The radio was on >Can't you dig the locomotion? >Kingdoms of the radio >45 RPM (too much revolution then) > Each night the caovers were unfolded Each night it's Susies turn to ride While Charles, the one they call her brother Covers in his eyes Murmurs in the background It will be time > >Its past midnight said Charles the grinning boy >and looking at me greedily.. >Said its 1964... > >In Times Square now, people do the polka >Dominance - Submission Radios appear >New Years Eve, it was the final barrier >Dominance - Submission Radios appear >We took you up & put you in the back seat >Dominance - Submission Radios appear >From year to year we looked out for the venture Dominance - Submission Radios appear Dominance! Submission....... From chriss at MDC.NET Tue Apr 30 16:55:56 1996 From: chriss at MDC.NET (Chris and Ginny Sargent) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:55:56 +0100 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: I am the one you warned me of: Fresh from zones of moisture And afterwards the meat With spangles on my long-tailed suits And songs to haunt the one that's saved Just call me Desdinova I'm sure to be The lucky one When destiny assigns wisdom Known to me The starry wisdom I am I am the one you warned me of I am I am the one who'd never, never lie The writing in the notebook Notation from the stars Songs by Desdinova And frost warnings from the women's farm Whose agents could not ever see His hilly eyes and too green rings Obscured sight and fancy dreams Holy mass, those thirteen fancy dreams I am I am the one you warned me of I am I am the one who'd never, never lie Eyes like bottles and hands in my hair Bottles of blackness the blacker the spare I'll sit myself behind that clock And play tunes on its belfry Five fingers have I to play them like ten Ten fingers have I to play them again In decimal chains whose mimic cry Whose notes will never, never fly Until they quit those timely tunes And entered that system from outside I am I am the one you warned me of I am I am the one who'd never, never lie I am I am the one you warned me of I am I am the one who'd never, never lie I am From fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU Tue Apr 30 22:12:44 1996 From: fswof at AURORA.ALASKA.EDU (William Fuller) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:12:44 -0800 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, Chris and Ginny Sargent wrote: > And songs to haunt the one that's saved I always thought the line was "And songs to haunt the one that sings" -- William Fuller fswof at aurora.alaska.edu From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Apr 30 22:13:31 1996 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 19:13:31 -0700 Subject: OFF: New Porky Tree..... Message-ID: >Anyway, this is what I have on CD (or will soon have).... > >The Sky Moves Sideways (UK version) >Up the Downstair (UK) >On the Sunday of Life >Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape > >How many other various tracks are there available on all the different EP's and >other special releases??? Add to this: Moonloop EP w/Stars Die Staircase Infinities EP: Cloud Zero The Joke's on You Navigator Rainy Taxi Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape Voyage 34 EP From chriss at MDC.NET Tue Apr 30 17:35:16 1996 From: chriss at MDC.NET (Chris and Ginny Sargent) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:35:16 +0100 Subject: BOC: Champions of Rock Message-ID: >>Well, here's what the FAQ has to say about "Cult Classic": >>What a valuable reference this FAQ is ;-) No BOC fan should be without >>it! The FAQ that you keep mentioning.... Is it available from this list? Is it on a web page? Where??? Chris From chriss at MDC.NET Tue Apr 30 17:51:38 1996 From: chriss at MDC.NET (Chris and Ginny Sargent) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:51:38 +0100 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: >I always thought the line was "And songs to haunt the one that sings" > >-- I'm quoting from the BOC Fan Club Lyric Book (hardcover edition, >btw). I just listened to the line (don't you just love the convenience >and instant accessibility of CD's?) and it sure sounds like "saved". >Chris From jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM Tue Apr 30 23:05:12 1996 From: jbrooks at CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:05:12 -0700 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: At 09:55 PM 4/30/96 +0100, you wrote: >Bottles of blackness the blacker the spare Not "blacker dispare"? >In decimal chains whose mimic cry Not "Mimicry"? Ah well, I'm the guy who used to think CCR was saying "There's the bathroom on the right" instead of "There's a bad moon on the rise" when I was a kid... _ | | \ *jbrooks at connectnet.com | "So Ladies, Fish | | < *http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/1154| and Gentlemen,here's |_| |_/ *WALSTIB / Keep our Internet free! | my angled dream..." From chriss at MDC.NET Tue Apr 30 18:29:04 1996 From: chriss at MDC.NET (Chris and Ginny Sargent) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:29:04 +0100 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: >Not "blacker dispare"? Hey, I types 'em as I reads 'em! > >>In decimal chains whose mimic cry > >Not "Mimicry"? Nope, "mimic cry" to rhyme with "never fly" > >Ah well, I'm the guy who used to think CCR was saying "There's the bathroom >on the right" instead of "There's a bad moon on the rise" when I was a kid... Yes, and I thought it was "gitchin for a runnin" in "Born to be Wild"! Chris From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Tue Apr 30 23:56:17 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:56:17 -0400 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: Carl: > Er, yes, (I've got all the BOC CDs) but that's in the States >as well! :} But speaking of ETL, can someone remind me whether Al is >drumming on the D&S on ETL? I believe he drummed on some to the ETL >tracks, but not all ... Yes, it's an insane take done in haste! Al From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Tue Apr 30 23:56:29 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:56:29 -0400 Subject: BOC: lyrics for D&S and I Am the One? Message-ID: As I remember it: >Its been 10 years >Half my life >Just getting ready >Then it was time >Warpage in the figures >Radios appear >Midnight was the barrier >Back in 1963 > >[chorus] >Each night the girls were in orbit (yes, thats what my lyric sheet uh, I seem to recall - Each night the covers were unfolded >Each night its Suzie's turn to ride >While Charles, the one they call her brother >Covers on his eyes >Murmers in the background... It will be time. > >Suzie and her brother >Charles the grinning boy >Put me in the back seat >and they took me for a ride >The radio was on >Can't you dig the locomotion? >Kingdoms of the radio >45 RPM (too much revolution then) > >[chorus] > >Its past midnight said Charles the grinning boy >and looking at me greedily.. >Said its 1964... > >In Times Square now, people do the polka >Dominance - Submission >New Years Eve, it was the final barrier >Dominance - Submission >We took you up & put you in the back seat >Dominance - Submission >>From year to year, we look out for adventure.. >Dominance - Submission [infinite repeats] >Hope that helps.. Lyrics printed without permission (sue me...., no, >don't!). Should be about 99% correct. All but that orbit line. I think you should use it. How about "Each night the covers were in orbit"? Al From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Tue Apr 30 23:56:36 1996 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:56:36 -0400 Subject: Marshall will buoy Message-ID: theo posts: >are real beauts, just overpriced. I'd say you'd be ahead with a >Blues DeVille. Much more versatility and plenty ballsy. I've played >through its little brother, the Blues DeLuxe, and thats an amazing >amp too, just smaller. I tried out a bunch of the new Fender reissues and they all sound pretty sweet. I ended up getting a Fender Pro Junior and I love it. It's very inexpensive (under 2 beans) and makes a slamming low volume amp. We're using it a lot on the new Surgeons disk. (We also used Boogie Mark IV, Carvan Stagemaster, Blackface 60's Fender Tremolux, Marshall 50 combo, 60's Fender Princeton and Fender Twin Reverb) ...... most of the guitars on the first 3 BOC albums were done with Don's 60's Fender Twin Reverb. Al