From etljegl at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Sep 1 08:41:32 1995 From: etljegl at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Jason Gool) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 08:41:32 BST Subject: Age poll contribution (better late than never)... Message-ID: Name : Jason Gool Age : 34 Handle : None E-Mail Address : etljegl at etlxdmx.ericsson.se Primary Band : BOC Only Time Seen Live : 14th of Feb, 1984 Favorite Album : Cultosaurus Erectus Last Album Purchased: Trepanation (when it arrives) Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes First Time Seen Live : 29th of Nov, 1984 Last Time Seen Live : 25th of Nov, 1993 Favorite Album : WotEoT Location : Brighton, UK (ex-pat Cornish (well it means alot to me :-)) From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Fri Sep 1 05:43:04 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 09:43:04 +0000 Subject: BOC European Tour??? Message-ID: The Grinning Man wrote: > What also interested me was a little snippet on the accompanying > note, it gives the tour dates for the September tour in the US > with a small aside saying something like: People east of the > Atlantic, BOC are slated to be touring Europe, Scandanavia > and Greece during November. > Scandinavia!!! My Favorite Godness!!! Of course that would be too amazing to really believe. But if a concert were to be hold somewhere in Scandinavia I'm willing to walk 100 swedish miles and in the meantime digest my Club Ninja album (and then actually buy the CD). (BTW, I think both Scandinavia - Norway, Denmark, Sweden - and Greece belong to Europe...) Dan in a rainy Stockholm From Niko.Makila at CSC.FI Fri Sep 1 04:13:13 1995 From: Niko.Makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:13:13 +0300 Subject: BOC European Tour??? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 01 Sep 1995 09:43:04 -0000." <199509010748.JAA13157@aristotle.algonet.se> Message-ID: Dan's message dated: Fri, 01 Sep 1995 09:43:04 -0000 > > Scandinavia!!! My Favorite Godness!!! Exactly my thoughts. Hopefully they come to Finland also. Even stranger things have happend, e.g., last week I saw Peter Hammill here. One of the best concerts of my life! //niko ObOnSSHMPraise: The new listserver is blazingly FAST! A very good job done. From gbga1j7g at IBMMAIL.COM Fri Sep 1 04:34:14 1995 From: gbga1j7g at IBMMAIL.COM (Mr R Sapiano GBGENAC1 Corp Risks UK (Prop)) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 04:34:14 EDT Subject: BRAIN RE:MY CIVILISATION Message-ID: I don't have any Brain Surgeon stuff, may pick some up next week while in the US for me jolly oliday. Can someone in the meantime put this 'flying fuck about AIDS' into context for me? Sounds rather controversial out on it's own like this. Just a couple of lines either side will probably do, or the gist of the rest of the song. Thanks Richard London gbga1j7g at ibmmail R Sapiano From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Fri Sep 1 04:36:26 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 04:36:26 -0400 Subject: My Civilisation Message-ID: Al wrote: >The truth is stranger than that. The original line was, "who gives a >flying duck about AIDS" and we thought that was kinda lame after ^^^^ ^^^^ >repeated listenings during the mix. Lame, duck. Oh per-lease. Worst pun of the week award I think. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From DH2 at BES.LEEDS.AC.UK Fri Sep 1 07:01:42 1995 From: DH2 at BES.LEEDS.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:01:42 GMT Subject: Astronomy/Imaginos Message-ID: > > > > Did the guys *ever* do any of Imaginos live? I remember when Imaginos > > first > > came out, I was just dying to see an 'Imaginos tour' only to be > > disappointed > > when next I saw them live when they didn't even play one song from it. I > > believe they did "Astronomy" but in the original Secret Treaties form. > > No, they actually did the re-arranged "Astronomy". And "In the > Presence". Maybe one other but I can't think what - "I am the One" > perhaps? The version of Astronomy they did was indeed the Imaginos version, but this was prefaced with the first few bars from the SEE version, ie. the guitar intro played on SEE (which is of course the piano introduction on Secret Treaties) And yes, they did also play "I am the one.." Dave Hardman. From DH2 at BES.LEEDS.AC.UK Fri Sep 1 07:06:06 1995 From: DH2 at BES.LEEDS.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:06:06 GMT Subject: Age Poll Message-ID: Name: David Hardman Age: 33 Handle: None E-Mail Address: dh2 at bes.leeds.ac.uk Primary Band: BOC First Time Seen Live: 1979, Hammersmith Odeon, London (Mirrors tour) Last time Seen Live: 1989, Hammersmith Odeon, London (Imaginos tour) No. Times Seen Live: 7 Best live concert: Hammersmith Odeon, circa 1984, Revolution by Night tour First album purchased:Secret Treaties HW: Live 1979 Favorite Album: BOC: Secret Treaties HW: QS&C Last Purchase: Live 1976 video Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Fri Sep 1 11:29:26 1995 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:29:26 BST Subject: Age Poll Message-ID: Name: Neil Shilladay Age: 26 Handle: None E-Mail Address: shillada at gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com Primary Band: Hawkwind First Time Seen Live: April 1988, Liverpool Empire Last time Seen Live: August 1992, Brixton all - nigter No. Times Seen Live: er...about 8 Best live concert: Brixton 1991 all nighter (with Gong) First album purchased: er..Live Chronicles Favorite Album: Space Ritual Last Purchase: Atomhenge - the Calvert years Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: trying to be ! From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Fri Sep 1 08:51:16 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 12:51:16 +0000 Subject: Al's January Message-ID: >From where did you send your letters, Al? It seems they were sent in January:-) 95 or 96? One more thing. By mistake I deleted my old BOC-L file. Could you please send the BS CD order info again? Dan From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Fri Sep 1 06:58:02 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:58:02 +0100 Subject: Age poll contribution (better late than never)... In-Reply-To: <199509010255.MAA10086@lynx.cbr.dit.csiro.au> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, Stuart Hungerford wrote: > Last Album Purchased: Live Chronicles One of my later aquisitions on CD too... not over impressed with the production as I find most tracks concatenated and track changes abrupt.. am I being over critical or is there some agreement? Maxine "The night shall be filled with music And the cares that infest the day e-mail: mxw at dmu.ac.uk Shall fold their tents like Arabs http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw And as silently steal away" From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Sep 1 12:59:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 12:59:00 BST-1 Subject: BOC European Tour??? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199509010748.JAA13157 at aristotle.algonet.se> > Scandinavia!!! My Favorite Godness!!! Of course that would be too > amazing to > really believe. Well, in 1978 (looking at the back of my tour shirt, which is *far* too small for me now :), they played Stockholm, Gothenburg, Malmo and Copenhagen; and of course on _Live 1976_ Eric rants about how he's been to Germany, he's been to Scandinavia (but America is the best place to play rock'n'roll, because they have democracy)... so it's not without precedent. Maybe they want to go to Greece so they can drink ouzo in their coffee? :) I can't believe they'd play Greece! But if Maiden can play Beirut, anything's possible! - Andy From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 1 13:26:35 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:26:35 BST Subject: I'm through! Calling Jason Christou Message-ID: Made it - thanks Ben!! This is a message for Jason Christou (I hope I've spelt your name correctly...). Could you please contact Mike Holmes re. Ande Tucker urgently? Thanx jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 1 10:11:51 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 10:11:51 -0400 Subject: My Civilisation Message-ID: Thanks for clearing that up Al. That's pretty interesting as to how that bleep came about, and as a parent, I can understand not wanting you kid to be repeating certain words to certain people (once when I was little, I mortified my mother and grandmother by repeating something I had heard in a local McDonald's -- of course at the time I didn't know what the commotion was all about). The bleep doesn't bother me, it just didn't seem to me that you guys would be worried about the "Political Correctness Police", so it seemed strange to hear it. I also agree with Carl that it kind of draws your attention to that portion of the lyrics, which is not a bad thing at all. And as far as the mix is concerned -- well, since that's my favorite tune on the CD, I'd have to say you got it right! :-) John From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Fri Sep 1 12:24:02 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:24:02 +0000 Subject: BOC European Tour??? Message-ID: > > Scandinavia!!! My Favorite Godness!!! Of course that would be too > > amazing to > > really believe. > Andy replied: > Well, in 1978 (looking at the back of my tour shirt, which is *far* too > small for me now :), they played Stockholm, Gothenburg, Malmo and > Copenhagen; and of course on _Live 1976_ Eric rants about how he's been > to Germany, he's been to Scandinavia (but America is the best place to > play rock'n'roll, because they have democracy)... so it's not without > precedent. > Yes, I did see them then. Luckily. I think I said 1977 in the age poll, but you'r right, it was -78. Also they played in Stockholm Concert hall in 1975 on the On your feet tour. I did not know of the group at the time. After that concert rock concerts were not allowed in the Concert Hall for at least ten years. Must have been a wild gig... Still, that they would return here after 17 years... I believe it when I see it. (I think Eric said _true_ democracy ;-) Dan From bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM Fri Sep 1 10:29:09 1995 From: bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 06:29:09 -0800 Subject: Imaginos: What I hear... Message-ID: On Tue 5-Jan-1904 7:19a, albert bouchard wrote: ab> On Tue, 29 Aug Joseph Brooks wrote: ab> > "In decimal chains whose mimic cry" ab> > I hear: In dismal chains, a mimicry ab> Actually: In decimal chains of mimicry ab> > "Magna of Illusion": ab> > ab> > "Seadogs and rockers will dwell on doom" ab> > I hear: Seadogs on rockers will dwell on the doom ab> Actually: Seadogs in rockers will dwell on doom ab> The lyric book is pretty accurate but not perfect. I tried to ab> proof it but I couldn't get into it and after a couple songs I spaced. I'd ab> say the book is better than 99% accurate. Well, I gotta believe *you* got it right :) Thanks. Actually, I don't have the lyric book I got those lyrics from the boc-l FTP site... ||\ * Ask me for my PGP Key! "San Diego's ||< * Brokedown Palace! 619-596-1974/7419 Original |_||/ * jbrooks at bpalace.com Grateful BBS" From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 1 11:43:40 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:43:40 -0400 Subject: Imaginos: What I hear... Message-ID: Joe writes: >Well, I gotta believe *you* got it right :) Thanks. Actually, I don't have the lyric book I got those lyrics from the boc-l FTP site... As I always point out (because Bolle is concerned about copyright violations), the stuff in the BOC-L FTP site is "unofficial". Bolle needed specific permission from the band, management, and record label to reproduce the lyrics for the fan club lyric book. However, if one were to compare the lyric book ("official") to the FTP lyrics ("unofficial") . . . Boy, all those of years of trying to guess the correct lyrics and collaborating with other BOC fans has really paid off ;-) John From bedens at INTELLINET.COM Fri Sep 1 11:29:42 1995 From: bedens at INTELLINET.COM (Bert Edens) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 11:29:42 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeons: 4th of November? Message-ID: Greetings... I was just wondering if y'all knew if the 4th of November in "Brain of Terra Incognita" had any significance. Or is that just a date they picked... It wouldn't happen to be the day Orson Wells scared the duck out of everyone with the War of the Worlds, would it? Anyway, inquiring minds want to know... - Bert ============================================= Bert Edens - bedens at intellinet.com http://www.intellinet.com/~bedens/home.html ObCD: Brain Surgeons, "Trepanation" ============================================= From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Sep 1 13:27:31 1995 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 12:27:31 -0500 Subject: Age poll contribution (better late than never)... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, Maxine Wesley wrote: > On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, Stuart Hungerford wrote: > > Last Album Purchased: Live Chronicles > One of my later aquisitions on CD too... not over impressed with the > production as I find most tracks concatenated and track changes abrupt.. > am I being over critical or is there some agreement? Well, that depends... is it the original 1-CD/2-LP live thang or is it the full concert Griffin 2-CD thang with the Moorcock readings intact? I have the latter, and I have no problem with the song changes. Damon Capehart | "Duhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuh DUT Dut!" dcapehar at utdallas.edu | -- Hawkwind, "Brainstorm" From tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Sep 1 13:32:52 1995 From: tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Tox) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:32:52 -0400 Subject: Imaginos: What I hear... In-Reply-To: <9509011429.09ed@bpalace.com> Message-ID: I used to hear: "Sea dogs in rockers will dwell on the dune" But then, I also used to hear: "While Charles, the one they call her brother, Covers on his eyes, murmurs in the background... Whoopie Time!" oh well... From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 1 13:49:08 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:49:08 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeons: 4th of November? Message-ID: Bert asks about the 4th of November, and it's significance on "Brain >From Terra Incognita". I happened to ask this question of Al Bouchard awhile back - I thought it might've been somebody's birthday (like Al's or Deborah's). At the time Al says he wasn't sure, but assumed it had to do with election day. John From bedens at INTELLINET.COM Fri Sep 1 13:16:50 1995 From: bedens at INTELLINET.COM (Bert Edens) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 13:16:50 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgeons: 4th of November? Message-ID: At 01:49 PM 9/1/95 -0400, you wrote: >Bert asks about the 4th of November, and it's significance on "Brain >>From Terra Incognita". >I happened to ask this question of Al Bouchard awhile back - I thought >it might've been somebody's birthday (like Al's or Deborah's). At the >time Al says he wasn't sure, but assumed it had to do with election day. >John And to think I got a private e-mail saying just that, and I thought he was kidding (Hi, Matt!)... Interesting, I must say... - Bert ============================================= Bert Edens - bedens at intellinet.com http://www.intellinet.com/~bedens/home.html ObCD: Brain Surgeons, "Trepanation" ============================================= From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 1 14:22:51 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:22:51 -0400 Subject: THE FAQ IS COMING TODAY! Message-ID: O.K., it's been so quiet at the office that I managed to complete Version 2.0 of the BOC FAQ, and rather than waiting until next week (as I originally planned), I'm sending it to BOC-L today. So, since the date on the FAQ actually says "September 5th", everyone here might get it a little earlier. Here's some relevant info for those of you who weren't on the list back about 7 months ago (or, in case you've forgotten): 1. The FAQ is pretty big -- over 200K of data for you technical folks. In an effort to hopefully not crash anybody's mailservers, I've split the FAQ into 7 (seven seven seven . . . yeah I know, I've done that before, sorry, but I couldn't resist) parts of 32K or less. Each part still makes for a fairly big mail message, but hopefully everyone will get everything. NOTE: If you don't see in the mail message words to the effect of "End of Part X of 7", then you didn't get the whole part in the mail message. I don't want to have to split the FAQ into something like 50 sections, so if anyone has any problems, there are other ways to get the FAQ (see below). 2. Please Note: While the FAQ is in 7 parts, it is not 7 FAQS. My point is that "The FAQ" is an entity of one, and if you happen to download it, print it, send it to a friend (all of which is perfectly fine with me), please make sure you have the ENTIRE FAQ - from the picture of the BOC symbol all the way to the copyright and disclaimer notice. Maybe I'me just paranoid, but I always have this fear that if you break something down into pieces, one or more of those pieces tend to get lost. 3. As previously mentioned, comments are always welcome and desired. There will be a new version later this year, so if I've made any mistakes, point 'em out to me so I can get them fixed in Version 2.1 Rather than post to the list (well, if you really want to . . .), send comments directly to me: John_Swartz at iegate.mitre.org 4. A complete (1 part) version of the FAQ will also be sent to the BOC-L archives. For those of you with web pages, this version is preferable to use on your pages as people will be able to download the whole thing all at once rather than in 7 parts. So, you may wish to wait until the FAQ shows up in the archives (probably next week, depending on when our humble moderator can get to it -- after all, he's been fairly busy lately moving our server) before you add it to your page. But, I'll leave that stuff to folks who create web pages. 5. Also going to the archives will be the lyrics to *Trepanation*. Thanks again to Deb and Al for allowing me to reproduce them for the BOC-L folks. 6. If I can get to it next week, I'll send the FAQ to a few of the internet newsgroups (like "alt.rock-n-roll" and "alt.rock-n-roll.classic") Unfortunately, at the moment, I can't access "alt.music.blueoystercult". 7. Without trying to repeat the credits in the FAQ, there are many to be thanked for helping me with this project. Many folks on BOC-L, especially alot of the "old-timers" helped provide info (no offense to some of the newcomers intended - had you been around when the project was started, I'm sure you would've provided more info as well). I got bits and pieces of info from Buck and Eric, as well as Joe Bouchard, and former Soft White Underbelly vocalist Les Braunstein saw the previous version and provided some info. Al Bouchard and Deb Frost have provided me lots of great info (and helped clarify alot of incorrect info that I had previously), and have given me some great music to listen to while I work on the FAQ. And finally, Bolle Gregmar of the fanclub has spent many hours over the phone giving me facts and corrections (we went through it page by page). THANKS TO ALL -- I couldn't have done it without you. 8. As future versions become necessary (I already mentioned version 2.1), I will work on them. At this point though, aside from a few ideas I have about expanding the FAQ to include a few other things, the FAQ won't fundamentally change in the future (just updated info, and a few extra things). O.K., that oughta do it. I'm going to send the FAQ to the archive site, and then I'll post the 7 sections to BOC-L. Those of you who haven't taken off for the long weekend may see it in an hour or so. Have a great and safe Labor Day weekend to all and "Good Health To You", John Final note: The filename for the FAQ in the archive site, is: BOC_FAQ-2_0.txt From Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK Fri Sep 1 14:27:45 1995 From: Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK (Norman Beresford) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:27:45 +0100 Subject: The Journey Message-ID: I was reading todays Guardian G2 section when I came across an article about Steeleye Span's "The Journey" concert for the War Child charity. The idea is that each of the line ups will play a set as part of a nine hour concert. This of course got me thinking. Admitedly the 'wind have had a few more then five line ups and one of their major members is dead but wouldn't it be nice to see them do something similar. You can imagine them starting off playing Hurry On Sundown and slowly working their way through all of their numbers from each era untill you reach the present and you could have one of those storming live dance versions. Band members could just wander on and off stage reflecting the ebb and flow of band members. Ok maybe poor old Dave would have a heart attack or something but it would look (and sound) bloody brilliant. They could use it to celebrate their 25yrs and raise funds for a suitible cause (Travellers Aid or Justice or something similar). Even better it would give all us youngsters (what is it about list members being 22) to see those 'classic' line ups who we weren't even born in time to see. It might just be a pipe dream but maybe words in the right places and all that. Norman From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 1 14:49:35 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:49:35 -0400 Subject: BOC FAQ: Part 1 of 7, Ver. 2.0 Message-ID: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ BOC FAQ -- Part 1 (Contents, Administrative, Band History - Part 1) Version: 2.0 Date of Latest Revision: September 5, 1995 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ NOTE: The file for this FAQ has been split into 7 parts for portability among newreaders, mail servers, etc as it contains approximately 210 Kbytes of data. If you don't see and "End of Section" indication at the end of each section, you didn't get the whole thing. The FAQ will be available in its entirety for FTP access (see elsewhere in this FAQ for more information). See copyright and disclaimer at the end of Part 7 -- this FAQ may only be distributed in its entirety, including the copyright and disclaimer. Thanks for your cooperation, John ------------------------------------------------------------------------ BOC FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions about BLUE OYSTER CULT |BBOCC| |BO"OC| |B" "C| |" "| _________| |_________ |BOC" | "BOC| |B --B:O:C-- C| |BOC._____ | _____.BOC| | | | | | BOc. |boc bocb. ;'"'boc bocbo, ';"b bocbo bocboc. :";boc c. "bocb ;, .o;"";oc." ";bocb 'boc";bocboc;' '?boc bocboc;"' '":bocboc"''' Version: 2.0 Date of Latest Revision: September 5, 1995 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Notes: This FAQ was created on an Apple Macintosh computer using Microsoft Word (version 5.0). The font used is 10-point Monaco -- if the BOC symbol above does not look right on your screen, setting your font to either "Monaco" or "Courier" should fix the problem. With the help of numerous individual contributors (named below), this FAQ has been compiled by John Swartz (referred to herein as "the editor"), Please send any suggestions, corrections or changes to him at the address listed at the end of this FAQ. TABLE OF CONTENTS ----------------- 1. The Nexus Of The Crisis, And The Origin Of Storms -- FAQ Information a. Why a BOC FAQ? b. The *real* people that made this FAQ possible. c. Version history. d. Archive location of this FAQ. e. Commonly used abbreviations. 2. The Oyster Boys Are Swimming Now -- Who Are Blue Oyster Cult? a. Who are BOC? b. No really, who are BOC? c. History of the Band d. Pre-history of the Band 3. My Ears Will Melt, And Then My Eyes -- Blue Oyster Cult Discography a. Domestic (U.S.) Album Releases b. Solo Albums, and Movie Soundtracks c. Compilation Albums (domestic) d. Compilation Albums (foreign) e. Import Live Recordings f. Other Releases (Singles, Promos, Etc.) 4. R. U. Ready 2 Rock? -- Frequently Asked Questions a. What are BOC up to these days? b. When is the new album (*not* a "Greatest Hits" album) coming out? c. Is *Flat Out* available on CD? d. What is the "best" BOC album? e. What is the story behind the recording of the album, *Imaginos*? f. What is the story told by the album, *Imaginos*? g. Is there a BOC/H.P. Lovecraft connection? h. Where is the BOC symbol on the _____ album? i. Where can I get a complete set of BOC lyrics? j. What is a (Diz-Buster, ME-262, Stun Guitar, . . .)? k. Who is (Suzy, Celine, Debbie Denise, Sir Rastus Bear, . . .)? l. Where can I get BOC live recordings? m. Where can I find Rossignol's book, 'The Origins of a World War'? n. What do the Japanese words in "Godzilla" mean? o. Are there other BOC songs, and how can I hear them? p. Will the original line-up ever get back together again? 5. A Harvest of Life, A Harvest of Death -- Other Items of Interest a. Use of Umlauts, and the Origin of the Name, "Blue Oyster Cult" b. BOC in Concert c. The Movie "Heavy Metal" d. Other Releases of BOC Music e. Song References f. References to BOC g. Hidden Messages h. Black and Blue, and Other Videos 6. Three Men in Black Said, "Don't Report This" -- Other Sources Of Info a. Bolle Gregmar -- BOC/Brain Surgeons Fan Clubs b. Ben Cohen -- The BOC/Hawkwind E-Mail List (BOC-L) c. Albert Bouchard and Deborah Frost -- The Brain Surgeons d. BOC on AOL e. Other On-Line Sources 7. Think I'll Write "Good Health To You" -- Copyright and Disclaimer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. The Nexus Of The Crisis, And The Origin Of Storms -- FAQ Information Why a BOC FAQ? -------------- Short Answer: Why not? Only Slightly-Longer Answer: *Everybody* needs a FAQ, don't they? Long Answer: Blue Oyster Cult has, these days, a fairly small, but loyal, and somewhat rabid following. The band has a history of over 20 years, and many people who were not fans back then want to know about the band's origins. In addition, the various themes of BOC's music are interesting to discuss. Finally, BOC fans on the internet seem to ask the same questions over and over again - of course, part of this is because we *like* to re-hash the topics, and usually come up with something new when we do. Editor's Smart-Mouthed Answer: After you've read through this FAQ, which will probably printout to well over 40 pages, you'll realize what a stupid question that was. Note: This FAQ was originally created for, and circulated on, "BOC-L", a group of individuals who regularly communicate using electronic mail (E-Mail) to discuss, among other things, BOC. Information on how people with internet access can subscribe to this group (also referred to as the BOC discussion group, BOC E-Mail group, or BOC/Hawkwind E-Mail list) appears elsewhere in this FAQ. The *real* people that made this FAQ possible. ---------------------------------------------- This FAQ has finally come into being for two reasons, (1) because someone volunteered to finally take on the project, and (2) because lots of knowledgeable BOC fans contributed. While I am somewhat proud to say that I took on the project of generating the BOC FAQ, it is only by the many submissions of input from BOC fans that made this FAQ possible. While I am a fan, I'm no BOC "expert". My job as editor was mostly to layout the format of the FAQ, and enter in the data. I am in debt to the following individuals, who are listed in no particular order: Jean Lansford Bryan Irby Steve Swann Ben Cohen Bryce Baker Dave Hardman Andy Gilham David Kuznick Warrick Bell David Dean Terry Poot Tim Fulcher Alun Hughes Carl Anderson Ken Alexander John McIntyre Craig Shipley Eric Falk Dan Weissman Jason Gool Ed Tidwell Mark Mitchum Ken Harward Jason Scruton Tom Gannon Jonathan Padgett James DeWitt Keith Frazier Gary Wingert Craig Matsumoto Chuck Rosenberg Scott Heller Rob Maerz Todd Ellenberg Ken Drew Ken VanTassell Robert Reich Miles-Kevin Baron Alan Siebert Robert Sedler Joseph Brooks Craig Marciniak Melne Murphy (of the BOC Fan Club) Les Braunstein (of "Soft White Underbelly" and "Les Vegas") Eric Bloom (of "Blue Oyster Cult") Donald Roeser (a.k.a. "Buck Dharma" of "Blue Oyster Cult") Joe Bouchard (of "Blue Oyster Cult" and "The Cult Brothers") Albert Bouchard (of "The Brain Surgeons" and "Blue Oyster Cult") Deborah Frost (of "The Brain Surgeons") And finally, and most importantly, special thanks go out to Bolle Gregmar, head of the BOC Fan Club. First and foremost, he has done all of us BOC fans a great service by keeping the fan club going. Beyond that, he has spent several hours on the phone with me going over this FAQ, providing me lots of interesting information, correcting various inaccuracies, and helping me with some legal issues. You will see his name sprinkled throughout the FAQ -- he is probably the singularly most knowledgeable individual on Blue Oyster Cult, other than members of the band themselves (and in some cases, because of all the things he's collected on the band, he may still know about things that members of the band may have forgotten). Version history. ---------------- This is the second "official" version. of this FAQ, and is identified as version "2.0". This version supersedes all previous versions. Version 2.0 contains the following changes over version 1.0: Information in sections 4 and 5 has been modified and expanded, based on conversations with Bolle Gregmar, head of the BOC Fan Club. Minor corrections that various individuals have spotted have been made (Editor's note: I can't believe that I didn't catch the error where I stated that "Shooting Shark" was on *Club Ninja*!). Some additional bits of information have been sprinkled throughout the FAQ, and sections 3, 4, and 5 have been re-organized in several areas. Eric Bloom provided me with information on some of his various musical projects, and Buck Dharma has provided information on the song, "Harvester Of Eyes". I received e-mail from Soft White Underbelly vocalist Les Braunstein, and he gave me some insight into the band's early history. A new section on miscellaneous releases (singles, promos, etc.) has been added (special thanks to Ken Drew and Ken VanTassell for their input), as well as a portion of Bryce Baker's interpretation of the *Imaginos* saga. More neat BOC stuff can now be found on the Internet and the World Wide Web. The Brain Surgeons have released a new album (*Trepanation*), which has been released and added to the discography. Finally, since the last release of the FAQ, *Flat Out* has become available on CD as an import. Currently, one additional version is planned for release in 1995. Version 2.1, will be released in the Fall of 1995, and will contain information on anticipated new album releases by BOC (a compilation by Sony, and hopefully a new studio album), as well as some other minor clarifications (Editor's note: or corrections to any mistakes I made in this version -- if you spot any, please let me know!). Beyond that, a new revision or two is likely in 1996, depending on what the band is doing, or what new information I can find. The generation of this version of the BOC FAQ began on August 4th, 1994, when, after seeing the words "we need a FAQ" in them for about the 10th time on the BOC discussion group (BOC-L), the editor decided to take a stab a writing a FAQ -- not particularly for BOC-L members, but for BOC fans in general (Editor's Comment: Every time I post a message about BOC to "alt.rock-n-roll", I get questions from other BOC fans about various topics.). "Draft" versions of the FAQ were circulated on BOC-L, with lots of comments by it's members. Draft versions of the FAQ were also sent to former band members Albert Bouchard (who is a member of BOC-L) and Joe Bouchard (who has internet access), as well as to the head of the BOC Fan Club. The first "official" version of the FAQ, version 1.0, was released to BOC-L on 15 February, 1995. It was subsequently sent to the internet newsgroups, "alt.rock-n-roll" and "alt.rock-n-roll.classic". It later appeared on several links on the World Wide Web (WWW). Archive location of this FAQ. ----------------------------- The latest version of this FAQ can be found in the BOC-L archives. The archives are located via anonymous FTP from in the [.boc-l] directory. In other words, use whatever ftp program you have to access the following address: ftp.spc.edu and use the following username: anonymous Use your E-Mail address as a password. Once in, set the directory to [.boc-l], and use the "get" command to transfer the FAQ to your system. The filename is: BOC_FAQ-version#.txt (e.g., This version is: BOC_FAQ-2_0.txt) Along with the FAQ, a few other items of interest may be found. The FAQ, along with other BOC-L archives, can also be accessed by the World Wide Web (WWW). Using your web browser, open the following URL: ftp://ftp.spc.edu/boc-l There are now several WWW links with BOC-related information, including links to the BOC-L archives, including the FAQ (where the most up-to-date version will always be kept). See the listing located near the end of the FAQ for a listing of these links. Commonly used abbreviations. ---------------------------- AOF, AF Agents Of Fortune (album title) BB Buck's Boogie (song title) BFY Burnin' For You (song title) BOC Blue Oyster Cult (band name, album title, song title) BOC-L BOC List (BOC/Hawkwind E-Mail discussion group) CC Cult Classic (compilation album title) CE Cultosaurus Erectus (album title) CN Club Ninja (album title) COE Career Of Evil (song title, compilation album title) COF(WR&R) Cities On Flame (With Rock And Roll) DFTR (Don't Fear) The Reaper (song title) D&S, DAS, DS Dominance And Submission (song title, way of life) ETI Extra Terrestrial Intelligence (song title) ETL Extraterrestrial Live (album title) FO Flat Out (Buck Dharma solo album title) FOUO Fire Of Unknown Origin (album title, song title) FT Flaming Telepaths (song title) HOE Harvester Of Eyes (song title) MC Motorcycle Club (as in the song, "Transmaniacon MC") ME 262 Messerschmitt 262 (song title, WWII German warplane) OFWR&R, OFWRAR On Flame With Rock And Roll (compilation album title) OYFOOYK On Your Feet Or On Your Knees (album title) R&B The Red And The Black (song title) SABAAF She's As Beautiful As A Foot (song title) SEE Some Enchanted Evening (album title) SFG Stalk-Forrest Group (former band name) ST Secret Treaties (album title) STTS Stairway To The Stars (song title) SWU Soft White Underbelly (former band name) (T)RBN (The) Revolution By Night (album title) T&M, TAM, TM Tyranny and Mutation (album title) WOTT, WOT Workshop Of The Telescopes (song, compil. album title) And, here's a few commonly used abbreviations by folks on the internet: BTW By The Way FWIW For What It's Worth IMHO In My Humble (or Honest) Opinion LOL Laughing Out Loud Ob Obligatory ROTFL(MAO) Rolling On The Floor Laughing (My Ass Off) Editor's Note: To avoid people having to keep coming back to this section while reading the FAQ, I have avoided using the abbreviations in the FAQ (other than "FAQ" of course; but if you've gotten this far and don't know what "FAQ" stands for, I suggest you start over right now). 2. The Oyster Boys Are Swimming Now -- Who Are Blue Oyster Cult? Who are BOC? ------------ A group of aliens who serve "Les Invisibles" (see discussion on the story told by the album, *Imaginos*). No really, who are BOC? ----------------------- A 5-man rock band from New York (see below). History of the Band ------------------- Note: The following is taken mostly from liner notes written by Arthur Levy in the "Career of Evil" album, portions of which also appeared in BOC tour programs and press kits. Additional information appears in [brackets]. Some of the history, and pre-history (which appears in the next section) information was taken from the liner notes to a German import compilation CD (Editor's note: Thanks to Andy Gilham for translating the German to English for me.). In the early 1970s, in the utter chaos of an embattled America cast adrift by the fires that plagued it for a decade, there arose a rock band whose destiny was no less than to bring ultimate meaning to the concept of heavy metal. When Blue Oyster Cult played, it was the sound of monsters in the hills. The wind carried the band's unknown tongues across continents until it felt as if earth's very crust could tear away. The agents of fortune responsible for this rage of heavy-metal thunder were a shadowy quintet, indeed. Their primal rumblings were first heard in the late '60s, in the band known as Soft White Underbelly, which evolved into the Stalk-Forrest Group as an antidote to that era's "success-rock" syndrome. The dusty nightmare of Altamont settled into rock's fabric, and a thoroughly professional band emerged from the SWU/SFG heiarchy. As Blue Oyster Cult then, a familiar lineup would remain unchanged for a dozen years: leather-clad Eric Bloom (vocals, guitar) leering at audiences behind silver-mirrored shades; white-suited Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser (lead guitar, vocals) attaining pyrotechnic levels that earned him Top-10 honors in rock-guitar polls; menacingly frail, pale Allen Lanier (keyboards, guitar, vocals), longtime companion to poetess Patti Smith, lurking near the fringes of BOC's pulse; and Long Island brothers Albert Bouchard (drums, vocals) and Joe Bouchard (bass, vocals), drifting effortlessly from pile-driving, bottom-end work to more exotic rhythms with enviable finesse. High above them all hung the ominous BOC banner, ancient symbol of Kronos (Saturn) in white on a field of black. The indispensable sixth member of this American rock 'n' roll cabal was Sandy Pearlman. As producer, songwriter, and manager of BOC, Pearlman's knowledge of history and philosophy have enjoyed free reign for nearly 20 years. His production credits grew to include The Clash, Dream Syndicate, and Dictators. As one of the acknowledged founders of modern rock criticism (with Richard Meltzer, Paul Williams, and Jon Landau), he was the first to apply the term "heavy metal" to the music at hand. And as eternal student and teacher, his quest for true cosmic enlightenment is forever. BOC drew upon its collective talent as composers and musicians for the aptly titled debut album on Columbia, *Blue Oyster Cult* (released January, 1972), produced by Pearlman and Murray Krugman, a Columbia A&R executive. This team (with engineer David Lucas) would stay together through BOC's first seven years and as many LPs. The songwriting pattern was also set, a fusion of terror and madness, wit and irony, pop culture, social psychology, science, mythology, intellectual calisthenics, gutter outrage -- tactical directions that remained constant. [An interesting note is that Eric Bloom, according to the liner notes written by Volker Koerdt on the German import BOC CD, *The Reaper - Best*, stated that it was difficult to find his leather gear in those days -- "You couldn't get that stuff in those days, I had to buy it in gay shops or sex shops."] A discernible popular following took hold as American rockers accepted BOC at a level previously reserved for U.K. bands only. In order to whet the appetites of these enlightened ones, a limited edition *Live Bootleg* 12-inch EP was circulated by the label. Since its release in October, 1972, this cherished item has become the Maltese Falcon of heavy metal collectibles. [Note: This recording is known under several names (see discography), and, while not widely circulated, is available as an import.] Over the next three years, BOC steadily ascended to headlining status, notwithstanding the absence of a Top-40 single or million- selling gold LP sales, just "Cult Power" (bolstered by rock critic establishment endorsements in the press and on the FM airwaves) and sheer musical depth. The LPs reflected this: *Tyranny And Mutation* (February, 1973) and *Secret Treaties* (April, 1974) both reinforced and exaggerated BOC's many obsessions, just as the band's public image threatened to overtake its existential reality. They bought some breathing space with the release of their first live album, the double LP, *On Your Feet Or On Your Knees* (February, 1975). The album contained live performances of songs off the first three albums, plus "Buck's Boogie", "Maserati GT" (Pearlman's dream car, or a re-working of the Yardbirds' "I Ain't Got You") and Steppenwolf's elegy to the summer of love, "Born To Be Wild" -- in which Eric and Donald's Texas chainsaw guitar duel attains brain-shattering modulation. The inevitable commercial breakthrough took place with the next two LPs, which presented more individual contributions by the members of the band: the RIAA platinum *Agents Of Fortune* (May, 1976), with the Top- 10 hit "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" (later quoted by Stephen King in *The Stand*); and *Spectres* (November, 1977), whose "Godzilla" set off another explosion, especially in Japan, where BOC was greeted as a messenger of the gods, not unlike "Godjira" itself. This phase of BOC's career culminated in a second live album: *Some Enchanted Evening* (September, 1978) "made up for" the various sins of omission/commission on *On Your Feet Or On Your Knees*, while it also capitalized on having played more than 250 shows before a half-million people since *Spectres* was issued. In 1976, on the *Agents of Fortune* tour, BOC also unleashed a new dimension in staging as they joined forces with one of the country's most advanced optical physics laboratories and developed the sophisticated and powerful (hence, controversial) laser light shows in rock, at a cost of $200,000. Upon the release of *Spectres*, an even more advanced laser presentation was unveiled at twice the cost, with twice the power. [Due to the controversiality of BOC laser shows (there were rumors that the lasers caused some people to go blind, and certain groups claimed that BOC must be evil to do such dangerous things at their shows), some venues would not allow their use. BOC later abandoned the use of lasers at their shows, citing cost and a desire to get "back to basics".] BOC's excursion out of the '70s and into the '80s unfolded over the course of its next three studio LPs. On *Mirrors* (June, 1979), BOC's first California recording, Pearlman and Krugman relinquished production to Tom Werman, a CBS staff producer (Cheap Trick and Ted Nugent, later Motley Crue). *Cultosaurus Erectus* (June, 1980), produced by Martin Birch (of Black Sabbath/Deep Purple/Whitesnake renown) included "Black Blade", a collaboration with British fiction/fantasy novelist Michael Moorcock. But it took *Fire Of Unknown Origin* (June, 1981), again produced by Birch, to bring BOC into the new video/Top-40 generation, with "Burnin' For You" and the controversial "Joan Crawford". BOC's third (and most likely final) live LP [like *On Your Feet Or On Your Knees*, a double LP] was the result of four months of recording and painstaking track selection. *Extraterrestrial Live* (April, 1982) became the standard by which BOC would be measured onstage. [It was also during this timeframe (August of 1981, to be more precise) that the first change of personnel in the band occurred. Albert Bouchard, the band's original drummer, apparently failed to show up on time for a show in Norfolk, England. Rick Downey, one of the members of BOC's road crew, happened to be a capable drummer himself, and was asked to play in Albert's absence. After further disagreements between Albert and the rest of the band, Albert left the band, which was presumably only a "leave of absence" resolve some personal issues. Rick Downey continued to fill in as BOC's drummer, and was made the permanent drummer about a year after Albert left. Most of the songs on *Extraterrestrial Live* feature Rick Downey's drumming. However, two songs on the album feature Albert Bouchard on the drums -- Albert is credited as playing on "Dominance and Submission", and "Black Blade" (the recordings used of those two songs were made prior to Albert's leaving BOC). In addition, Albert Bouchard's likeness (along with Rick Downey and the rest of BOC) is pictured on the back of the album.] A year of minimum performances, maximum rehearsals and recording, and some unexpected personnel changes [i.e. Albert Bouchard] resulted in the release of *The Revolution By Night* (October, 1983). The LP was produced by Bruce Fairbairn (who worked with Loverboy since its inception, and went on to produce Bon Jovi). [In January of 1985, Rick Downey (upset that BOC wanted to use a different drummer in the studio for their next album) quit the band (After leaving BOC, he became the lighting designer for Utopia and Motley Crue, then tour manager for The Outfield and Anthrax, before returning in 1994 to be lighting designer and tour manager for BOC). As BOC had a 2 week tour of California in February, and no drummer, the band asked Albert Bouchard to fill in. However, Albert was only hired as a temporary replacement, much to the dismay of those who thought that the original line-up would be restored. On recommendation from Rick Derringer, Jimmy Wilcox became BOC's new drummer (although Billy Idol drummer Thommy Price was to provide some drum work in the studio for the next album). In addition, Allen Lanier took a leave of absence, presumably due to artistic differences with the band (he reportedly did not like the new BOC sound, or the use of so many writers outside the band) and was replaced by Tommy Zvoncheck on keyboards. With 3 of the original 5 band members remaining when the band resumed touring in May 1985, band insiders often referred to them as "3OC".] [These] further personnel changes [i.e. Rick Downey and Allen Lanier] were evident on *Club Ninja* (January 1986), BOC's first new album in 27 months, as Pearlman returned to produce his first LP with the band in nine years. Its title is derived from the song "Shadow Warrior" (literal translation of the Japanese ninja), which contained a lyric by best-selling novelist Eric Van Lustbader, author of *The Ninja*. [After a returning to the U.S. in February of 1986 from the European leg of the *Club Ninja* tour (where nearly everyone on the tour got sick), bassist Joe Bouchard left the band for personal reasons. On recommendation from Tommy Zvoncheck, Jon Rogers became the new bassist (having only a week to learn the songs). With only Eric and Buck remaining of the original lineup, band insiders often referred to them as "Two Oyster Cult".] [In September of 1986, after the *Club Ninja* tour was over, the band, according to singer Eric Bloom, "semi-officially broke up". However, the break was short-lived, as Allen Lanier rejoined Eric and Buck (returning the band to "3OC"). According to Buck, "We re-formed because we had an offer to go to Greece. Then we ended up playing some shows in Germany and just sort of fell back into it to make a living." On Buck's recommendation, Ron Riddle became BOC's drummer when they resumed touring in June of 1987 (beginning in Greece). During this timeframe, the *Imaginos* (July 1988) album was finished and released, but more details of that album appear in another part of this FAQ.] [In May of 1991, drummer Ron Riddle left the band (and joined the Stuart Hamm Band), and was replaced by Chuck Burgi (who had played as a session drummer for Meatloaf, Rainbow, and other bands; and had played in the Eric Bloom band, later became known as "Skull", with Eric, Dennis Feldman of Heaven, and Bob Kulick of Meatloaf). In 1992, Chuck Burgi took some "time off" to record a Japan-only release CD with ex-Rainbow keyboardist David Rosenthal -- John Miceli, drummer for Meatloaf, filled in for him (he had only one day to rehearse with the band). Blue Oyster Cult toured off and on between 1988 to 1995, mostly in smaller concert venues than they had been accustomed to during the peak years of their popularity (roughly 1975 - 1983). During this time, no new BOC albums were released, partly due to contractual issues between CBS records and the band. However, CBS released two compilation albums, *Career of Evil - The Metal Years*, and *On Flame With Rock And Roll*, in 1990. Also, BOC appeared on the soundtrack to the 1992 science fiction movie, *Bad Channels* -- the album includes two new BOC tunes ("Demon's Kiss" and "The Horsemen Arrive"), along with a myriad of instrumental pieces that were used for the movie (these were reportedly done completely by Buck Dharma using his guitars and Macintosh computer). In 1994, the band released *Cult Classic* on Herald records. This album came about due to interest in the band by horror writer Stephen King, who wanted to use "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" as part of the soundtrack in the TV Mini-Series adaptation of his novel, *The Stand*. Due to contractual issues between CBS and the band (CBS owned the footage rights to BOC's music), BOC got a "one-off" deal from Herald records to re-do the songs (Herald had a similar arrangement with Rick Wakeman, formerly of Yes). In May of 1995, bassist Jon Rogers left the band to pursue a career with a new band. He was temporarily replaced by Greg Smith, who has previously worked with Alice Cooper, Ritchie Blackmore, Vinnie Moore, and the Plasmatics. Greg came on recommendation from Chuck Burgi, who had worked with Greg on David Rosenthal's album. In August of 1995, Greg left the band to support tours with Alice Cooper and Ritchie Blackmore. Based on recommendations from Greg Smith and John Miceli, the new bassist for BOC is Danny Miranda, from Long Island, New York. A new studio album is planned for the hopefully not-too-distant future (probably 1996), and CBS-Sony is planning to release a double CD compilation (announced release date is September 26) with the title, *Workshop Of The Telescopes*. ---------------- End of Section 1 out of 7 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 1 14:54:53 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:54:53 -0400 Subject: BOC FAQ: Part 2 of 7, Ver. 2.0 Message-ID: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ BOC FAQ -- Part 2 (Band History - Part 2, Discography - Part 1) Version: 2.0 Date of Latest Revision: September 5, 1995 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ NOTE: The file for this FAQ has been split into 7 parts for portability among newreaders, mail servers, etc as it contains approximately 210 Kbytes of data. If you don't see and "End of Section" indication at the end of each section, you didn't get the whole thing. The FAQ will be available in its entirety for FTP access (see elsewhere in this FAQ for more information). See copyright and disclaimer at the end of Part 7 -- this FAQ may only be distributed in its entirety, including the copyright and disclaimer. Thanks for your cooperation, John ------------------------------------------------------------------------ (History Of The Band - Continued) [And what of Albert Bouchard, the original drummer, and one of the driving creative forces (both musically and conceptually) behind BOC? After his departure from BOC, Albert spent alot of time working on a solo album (to be entitled, *Imaginos*), along with Sandy Pearlman (also a driving conceptual force behind BOC), who was still managing BOC. Eventually, *Imaginos* was released in 1988. However, due to problems with CBS records, the album was released as a BOC album, with many of the tracks re-worked, against Albert's wishes. More on the recording of *Imaginos* appears in another part of this FAQ. In addition, according to Eric Bloom, Albert believed since the album was credited as being a BOC album, and since Albert was listed on the album as being in BOC, he would be re-joining the band. The rest of BOC, however, was not interested. As previously mentioned, Albert was asked to fill in for a two-week tour of California in early 1985 when BOC was in-between drummers (Rick Downey and Jimmy Wilcox). He agreed, hoping to patch things up with the band. However, they made it clear to him that he was merely a temporary hired hand, and his "final" performance with BOC was in February 1985. Albert in his post-BOC days also played with Helen Wheels, David Roter, and a band he formed called "Imaginary Playmates". After Joe Bouchard left BOC, he and Albert formed "The Cult Brothers", but due to artistic differences, Albert left that band before their first show. Albert later put together his current band, "The Brain Surgeons", with his wife, Deborah Frost (a drummer herself, formerly of the all-girl band "Flaming Youth" in the 1970's, but better known as a rock journalist, writing for such publications as The Village Voice, Rolling Stone, Entertainment Weekly, The New York Times, Creem, Spin, and Musician, to name a few). They released their first album, *Eponymous*, on their own independent label (Cellsum), in early 1994. The album was later released in October 1994 on the "Ripe and Ready" record label. Their second album, *Trepanation*, has just been released, again on the Cellsum label. Both albums have been highly acclaimed.] Blue Oyster Cult made choices many years before, and their decision stands: to face the real politics of rock survival in a nightly stand of metallic force. In a world where science and nature are at war, and survival depends on the delicate balance of the natural and supernatural, BOC are more than just informed observers. They are served by forces that many cannot understand. Now the voices call in hunger: That is why we need them. It is why they are here. Pre-history of the Band ----------------------- In high school, Albert Bouchard (b. 24 May 1947) played drums in a band known as "The Regal Tones" with his brother Joe (b. 9 November 1948) on guitar. Albert met Donald Roeser (b. 12 November 1947) at Clarkson College of Technology as a freshman. The two had met once or twice there, but were formally introduced to each other by mutual friend Bruce Abbott (co-author of the song, "Golden Age Of Leather"). Albert (drums), Don (guitar), Bruce (bass), Jeff Latham (guitar, who also later played in Soft White Underbelly when Allen Lanier was in the army), and Skip O'Neal (vocals, mostly because he could sing at practices with no mike and be heard over the amplifiers), formed "The Disciples". The band played a mix of Beach Boys, Coasters, Rolling Stones, Beatles, Lee Dorsey, Lou Christie, Temptations, Impressions, Smokey Robinson, etc. During the summer, Albert played in a band called "The Clansmen", who's guitarist (Pete Havalind) also played in a band called "The Lost And Found" Along with John Trivers on bass, "The Lost And Found" had a vocalist by the name of Eric Bloom (b. 1 December 1944). The next school year, "The Disciples", having all become fans of "The Blues Project", reformed as "The Travesty", a copy band of "The Blues Project". Later, after Don and Albert tried to get jobs and find musicians in New York City and Albany with no success, Albert moved to Chicago (where he met Patti Smith, who later formed a relationship with Allen Lanier). Don, still in Long Island, met Sandy Pearlman (writer for the rock magazine "Crawdaddy") and Richard Meltzer (who were both attending Stony Brook college on Long Island). Don called Albert to join them, and a psychedelic band by the name of "Soft White Underbelly", was born (note: Richard Meltzer reportedly wanted to call the band, "Cow"). The band played mostly at parties and local clubs. This was back in 1967. They would later be joined by Allen Lanier (b. 25 June 1946), Eric Bloom, and finally Joe Bouchard. At the time the band was formed, Meltzer's buddy John Wiesenthal served as keyboard player, and Andrew Winter, who worked in Pearlman's father's drugstore, played bass. Prior to joining BOC, Joe Bouchard played guitar in various frat party bands while in college at Ithaca, New York. During his junior year, while he was "between bands", he saw a latin/jazz band called "Que Pasa", whose leader happened to be his classical guitar teacher. He happened to have a class with the bass player, who told him he was leaving the band. Joe went to his teacher and asked for the job, and became the official bass player for "Que Pasa" for the next two years. Meanwhile, Soft White Underbelly tried to secure both a recording deal, and a lead vocalist. Everyone took turns as the lead vocalist until Les Braunstein (who had written the song, "I'm In Love With A Big Blue Frog", recorded by Peter, Paul, and Mary) got the job. According to Les Braunstein (who also went to the same college, Hobart College, as Eric Bloom), he met the band in 1967 and started hanging out with them regularly. One day at one of the rehearsals, Les plugged a microphone into one of the amplifiers and started singing while the band jammed. Richard Meltzer apparently didn't think too highly of Less Braunstein. According to Buck Dharma, Meltzer wrote the lyrics to "She's As Beautiful As A Foot" (originally titled "He's As Beautiful As A Foot" - the "he" referring to Les) in order to make Les look stupid while singing them. However, according to Les, Meltzer hadn't written those lyrics until after Braunstein had left the band. During this time, Eric Bloom had been working as a salesman at a music store. Members of the Soft White Underbelly happened to be in the store one day, and Eric recognized them. He later asked the band if he could be their road manager. Soft White Underbelly recorded material for an album for Elektra that was never released. In the middle of making the album, Les Braunstein left the band. Albert Bouchard, Sandy Pearlman, and Richard Meltzer all tried to sing. According to Albert Bouchard, he and Pearlman wanted Patti Smith to sing, but the rest of the band out-voted them. As it turned out, the best sounding was their road manager Eric Bloom. After leaving Soft White Underbelly, Les Braunstein had various musical projects. Since about 1975, he has performed as "Les Vegas", which he still performs as to this day. After Braunstein's departure, and an embarrassing performance at New York's Fillmore East (opening for Jethro Tull and Jeff Beck with Rod Stewart), the band's name was briefly changed to "Oaxaca" (after the Mexican city/state, where Sandy Pearlman's then-girlfriend nearly died). The band recorded a new album for Elektra with Eric Bloom as the vocalist. Just prior to the "almost-release" of the album, the band's name was changed to "Stalk-Forrest Group". The album, however, was never released. The band continued to perform in the New York area, slipping in future BOC tunes in between Beatles, Rolling Stones, Kinks, and Grand Funk Railroad covers. During one performance (at a swingers/nudist party at an off-season summer camp in the Catskills), David Lucas, a TV/radio commercial jingle producer, saw the band perform. He liked them so much he let them use his studio to cut a demo. Sandy Pearlman convinced Columbia marketing man (and future co-producer) Murray Krugman to get the band another demo and audition with Columbia. The rest, as they say, is history. 3. My Ears Will Melt, And Then My Eyes -- Blue Oyster Cult Discography Note: Songwriting credits, as they are listed on the album, follow the title of each song. Additional notes (including who is listed as having played on the album) follow the song listing. Domestic (U.S.) Album Releases ------------------------------ *Blue Oyster Cult* Transmaniacon MC -- (S. Pearlman, A. Bouchard, D. Roeser, E. Bloom) I'm On The Lamb, But I Ain't No Sheep -- (S. Pearlman, A. Bouchard, E. Bloom) Then Came The Last Days Of May -- (D. Roeser) Stairway To The Stars -- (R. Meltzer, A. Bouchard, D. Roeser) Before The Kiss, A Redcap -- (S. Pearlman, M. Krugman, A. Lanier, D. Roeser) Screams -- (J. Bouchard) She's As Beautiful As A Foot -- (R. Meltzer, A. Bouchard, A. Lanier) Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll -- (S. Pearlman, D. Roeser, A. Bouchard) Workshop Of The Telescopes -- (S. Pearlman, BOC) Redeemed -- (S. Pearlman, H. Farcas, A. Bouchard, A. Lanier) Notes: Released January 1972. Produced by Murray Krugman and Sandy Pearlman. Instruments: Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser (lead guitar, vocals), Eric Bloom (lead vocal, stun guitar, keyboards), Albert Bouchard (drums, vocals), Joe Bouchard (bass, vocals), Allen Lanier (rhythm guitar, keyboards). According to Albert Bouchard, "Cities on Flame With Rock And Roll", was inspired by Black Sabbath's "The Wizard" (note the similarities to the start of the main riff), MC5's "Motor City is Burning" (Sandy Pearlman got the idea for some of the lyrics from this song), as well as the song, "21st Century Schizoid Man". *Tyranny And Mutation* The Red & The Black -- (A. Bouchard, E. Bloom, S. Pearlman) O.D.'d On Life Itself -- (E. Bloom, A. Bouchard, J. Bouchard, S. Pearlman) Hot Rails To Hell -- (J. Bouchard) 7 Screaming Diz-Busters -- (A. Bouchard, J. Bouchard, D. Roeser, S. Pearlman) Baby Ice Dog -- (A. Bouchard, E. Bloom, P. Smith) Wings Wetted Down -- (A. Bouchard, J. Bouchard) Teen Archer -- (D. Roeser, E. Bloom, R. Meltzer) Mistress Of The Salmon Salt (Quicklime Girl) -- (A. Bouchard, S. Pearlman) Notes: Released February 1973. Produced by Murray Krugman and Sandy Pearlman. The album reached #95 on the U.S. charts. Instruments: Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser (guitar, vocals), Eric Bloom (vocal, stun guitar, all synthesizers), Albert Bouchard (drums, vocals), Joe Bouchard (bass, vocals, keyboard), Allen Lanier (keyboards, rhythm guitar). A quadraphonic pressing of this album was also made. According to Joe Bouchard, most of the lyrics for "Wings Wetted Down" came from a book of poems by Pablo Neruda, a Chilean poet (referred to as one of the 3 or 4 greatest Spanish-language poets of this century, and won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1971). The album was originally planned to be titled, "The Red And The Black", and the sides of the final product were dubbed "The Black" (physical, sensual, aural activation) and "The Red" (phantasmagorical id-teasers and supernatural beings). The following was printed in the liner notes: "Seepage from deep, black, brittle experiments which failed and transformations too hard to find. 'I was overcome and turned to red.' Duster's dust became the sale. Lucifer the light. A restless motion came to move and then subside. In endless knocking at the door - it's time. Tyranny & Mutation. Tyranny & Mutation." *Secret Treaties* Career Of Evil -- (A. Bouchard, P. Smith) Subhuman -- (E. Bloom, S. Pearlman) Dominance And Submission -- (A. Bouchard, E. Bloom, S. Pearlman) ME 262 -- (E. Bloom, D. Roeser, S. Pearlman) Cagey Cretins -- (A. Bouchard, R. Meltzer) Harvester Of Eyes -- (D. Roeser, E. Bloom, R. Meltzer) Flaming Telepaths -- (A. Bouchard, E. Bloom, S. Pearlman, D. Roeser) Astronomy -- (J. Bouchard, A. Bouchard, S. Pearlman) Notes: Released April 1974. Produced by Murray Krugman and Sandy Pearlman. The album, originally planned to be titled, "Power In The Hands Of Fools", reached #44 on the U.S. charts, and eventually went gold. Instruments: Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser (lead guitar, vocals), Eric Bloom (lead vocal, keyboards, stun guitar), Albert Bouchard (drums, vocals), Joe Bouchard (bass, vocals), Allen Lanier (keyboards, rhythm guitar, all synthesizers). A quadraphonic pressing of this album was also made. The following was printed in the liner notes: "Rossignol's curious, albeit simply titled book, 'The Origins of a World War', spoke in terms of 'secret treaties', drawn up between the Ambassadors from Plutonia and Desdinova the foreign minister. These treaties founded a secret science from the stars. Astronomy. The career of evil." The book mentioned does not exist. *On Your Feet Or On Your Knees* (live) The Subhuman Harvester Of Eyes Hot Rails To Hell Red & The Black 7 Screaming Diz-Busters Buck's Boogie -- (Buck Dharma) Last Days Of May Cities On Flame ME 262 Before The Kiss (A Redcap) Maserati GT (I Ain't Got You) -- (C. Carter) Born To Be Wild -- (M. Bonfire) Notes: Released February 1975. Produced by Murray Krugman and Sandy Pearlman. The album went gold, spending 10 weeks on the U.S. charts. Instruments: Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser (lead guitar, vocal on "Before The Kiss" and "Last Days Of May"), Eric Bloom (vocals, stun guitar, synthesizer), Albert Bouchard (drums, vocal on "Cities On Flame"), Joe Bouchard (bass, vocal on "Hot Rails To Hell"), Allen Lanier (rhythm guitar, all keyboards). "Maserati GT" is a re-working of "I Ain't Got You", originally by the Yardbirds. "Born To Be Wild" was originally done by Steppenwolf. According to Bolle Gregmar, Albert Bouchard should also receive a writing credit for "Buck's Boogie" -- Albert derived the song from the Stalk-Forrest Group song, "Arthur Comics", and then gave it to Buck to add his personal touch. The songs were recorded at the following locations: Academy of Music, New York; Paramount Theatre, Portland & Seattle; Show Palace, Phoenix; Long Beach Arena, California; P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver; and Capitol Theatre, New Jersey. *Agents Of Fortune* This Ain't The Summer Of Love -- (M. Krugman, A. Bouchard, D. Walker) True Confessions -- (A. Lanier) (Don't Fear) The Reaper -- (D. Roeser) E.T.I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) -- (D. Roeser, S. Pearlman) The Revenge Of Vera Gemini -- (A. Bouchard, P. Smith) Sinful Love -- (A. Bouchard, H. Robbins) Tattoo Vampire -- (A. Bouchard, H. Robbins) Morning Final -- (J. Bouchard) Tenderloin -- (A. Lanier) Debbie Denise -- (A. Bouchard, P. Smith) Notes: Released May 1976. Produced by Murray Krugman, Sandy Pearlman, and David Lucas. The album went platinum, reaching #32, and spending 35 weeks on the U.S. charts. Instruments: Eric Bloom (vocals, guitar, keyboards, percussion), Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser (guitar, vocals, synthesizer, percussion), Joe Bouchard (bass, vocals, piano), Albert Bouchard (drums, vocals, acoustic guitar, percussion, harmonica), Allen Lanier (keyboards, vocals, guitar, bass), Patti Smith (vocal on "The Revenge of Vera Gemini"). According to Albert Bouchard, the lead vocal on "True Confessions" is Allen Lanier -- his only lead vocal on all of BOC's albums. *Spectres* Godzilla -- (D. Roeser) Golden Age Of Leather -- (B. Abbott, D. Roeser) Death Valley Nights -- (R. Meltzer, A. Bouchard) Searchin' For Celine -- (A. Lanier) Fireworks -- (A. Bouchard) R. U. Ready 2 Rock -- (S. Pearlman, A. Bouchard) Celestial The Queen -- (H. Wheels, J. Bouchard) Goin' Through The Motions -- (E. Bloom, I. Hunter) I Love The Night -- (D. Roeser) Nosferatu -- (H. Wheels, J. Bouchard) Notes: Released November 1977. Produced by Sandy Pearlman, Murray Krugman, David Lucas, and Blue Oyster Cult. The album, originally planned to be titled, "The Big Hurt", went gold. Instruments: Eric Bloom (vocals, guitar), Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser (lead and rhythm guitar, vocals), Joe Bouchard (bass, vocals, guitar), Albert Bouchard (drums, vocals, harmonica), Allen Lanier (keyboards, guitar). According to Albert Bouchard, parts of "Godzilla" were inspired by a song entitled, "Go Go Gorilla". According to Joe Bouchard, the bass break on "Godzilla" is a direct tribute to Stanley Clarke. According to "Morning Final #11", "I Love The Night" had a 3rd verse on the original demo, which has been included on occasion when the band performed the song live. *Some Enchanted Evening* (live) R. U. Ready 2 Rock E.T.I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) Astronomy Kick Out The Jams -- (MC5) Godzilla (Don't Fear) The Reaper We Gotta Get Out Of This Place -- (B. Mann, C. Weil) Notes: Released September 1978. Produced by Sandy Pearlman, Murray Krugman, and Blue Oyster Cult. The album reached the top 20 in the U.K. charts, and eventually went platinum. Extra percussion was provided by Tony Cedrone and Rickey Reyer. "Kick Out The Jams" was originally done by MC5. "We Gotta Get Out of This Place" was originally done by The Animals. The songs were recorded at the following locations: Fox Theatre, Atlanta, Georgia - 4/13/78 (R.U. Ready To Rock, Kick Out The Jams); Municipal Auditorium, Columbus, Georgia - 4/11/78 (E.T.I., Astronomy); Barton Coliseum, Little Rock, Arkansas - 4/9/78 (The Reaper); New Castle City Hall, New Castle, England - 6/1/78 (Godzilla, We Gotta Get Out Of This Place). The version of "We Gotta Get Out Of This Place" that's on the CD version of this album is from a different show than the original LP/cassette version. The version on the CD is from a show in London, not New Castle. According to Bolle Gregmar, somehow, the boxes containing the New Castle and London shows got switched, and this error (sometimes called "Murray's Choice", in reference to Murray Krugman) resulted in the CD being made with the song from London, and not New Castle. *Mirrors* Dr. Music -- (R. Meltzer, J. Bouchard, D. Roeser) The Great Sun Jester -- (M. Moorcock, J. Trivers, E. Bloom) In Thee -- (A. Lanier) Mirrors -- (D. Roeser, B. Abbot) Moon Crazy -- (J. Bouchard) The Vigil -- (D. Roeser, S. Roeser) I Am The Storm -- (J. Bouchard, R. Binder) You're Not The One (I Was Looking For) -- (A. Bouchard, C. Bouchard) Lonely Teardrops -- (A. Lanier) Notes: Released in June 1979. Produced by Tom Werman. The album reached #63 on the U.S. charts. Additional instruments: Genya Ravan, Ellen Foley (backing vocals on "Dr. Music" and "Mirrors"), Wendy Webb (backing vocals on "Lonely Teardrops"), Mickey Raphael (harmonica on "Dr. Music"), Jai Winding (strings on "In Thee"). The cover of the album is not a photo of a rearview mirror, but a painting by Loren Salazar (according to Eric Bloom, "quite famous in the Seattle area"). If you look closely on the left side of the album cover (you probably need a magnifying glass for the CD or cassette), two sperm cells can be seen painted in the clouds and sky. *Cultosaurus Erectus* Black Blade -- (E. Bloom, M. Moorcock, J. Trivers) Monsters -- (A. Bouchard, K. Bouchard) Divine Wind -- (D. Roeser) Deadline -- (D. Roeser) The Marshall Plan -- (Blue Oyster Cult) Hungry Boys -- (A. Bouchard, K. Bouchard) Fallen Angel -- (J. Bouchard, H. Robbins) Lips In The Hills -- (D. Roeser, E. Bloom, R. Meltzer) Unknown Tongue -- (A. Bouchard, D. Roter) Notes: Released in June 1980. Produced by Martin Birch. The album reached #52 on the U.S. charts, and #25 on the U.K. charts. Instruments: Eric Bloom (guitar, keyboards, vocals), Albert Bouchard (drums, vocals), Joe Bouchard (bass, vocals), Allen Lanier (guitar, keyboards), Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser (guitars, bass, keyboards, vocals), Mark Rivera (saxophone on "Monsters") *Fire Of Unknown Origin* Fire Of Unknown Origin -- (J. Bouchard, P. Smith, E. Bloom, A. Bouchard, D. Roeser) Burnin' For You -- (D. Roeser, R. Meltzer) Veteran Of The Psychic Wars -- (E. Bloom, M. Moorcock) Sole Survivor -- (E. Bloom, J. Trivers, L. Myers) Heavy Metal: The Black And Silver -- (A. Bouchard, E. Bloom, S. Pearlman) Vengeance (The Pact) -- (A. Bouchard, J. Bouchard) After Dark -- (E. Bloom, J. Trivers, L. Myers) Joan Crawford -- (A. Bouchard, D. Roter, J. Rigg) Don't Turn Your Back -- (A. Lanier, D. Roeser, A. Bouchard) Notes: Released in June 1981. The album went gold. Produced by Martin Birch. The album went gold, reaching #41 on the U.S. charts (staying on the charts for 3 and a half months), and #24 on the U.K. charts. Instruments: Eric Bloom (lead vocals, bass on "Heavy Metal"), Albert Bouchard (drums, synthesizer, vocals), Joe Bouchard (bass, vocals), Allen Lanier (keyboards), Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser (lead guitar, vocals, bass and sound effects on "Joan Crawford"), Karla DeVito (background vocal on "Sole Survivor"), Sandy Jean (background vocal on "Don't Turn Your Back"), Bill Civitella, Tony Cedrone, Buck Dharma (additional percussion on "Veteran Of The Psychic Wars"), Jess Levy (string arrangements on "Veteran Of The Psychic Wars" and "Joan Crawford"). The song "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" appears in the movie "Heavy Metal". *Extraterrestrial Live* (live) Dominance And Submission Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll Dr. Music The Red And The Black Joan Crawford Burnin' For You Roadhouse Blues -- (The Doors) Black Blade Hot Rails To Hell Godzilla Veteran Of The Psychic Wars E.T.I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) (Don't Fear) The Reaper Notes: Released in April 1982. Produced by Sandy Pearlman and George Geranios. The album, originally planned to be titled, "Cult in the Act", reached #29, and spent 11 weeks on the U.S. charts. Instruments: Eric Bloom (guitar, keyboards, vocals), Joe Bouchard (bass, vocals), Rick Downey (drums), Allen Lanier (keyboards, guitar), Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser (lead guitar, vocals), Albert Bouchard (drums on "Black Blade" and "Dominance And Submission"), Special Guest: Robbie Krieger (guitar on "Roadhouse Blues") -- note: The CD liner incorrectly lists his name as "Bobbie" Krieger. "Roadhouse Blues" was originally done by The Doors. The songs were recorded at the following locations: Hollywood Sportatorium, Hollywood, Florida - 10/9/81 (Burnin' For You, E.T.I., The Red And The Black, Joan Crawford, Godzilla, Veteran Of The Psychic Wars, The Reaper); Nassau Coliseum, Long Island, New York - 12/30/81 (Dr. Music, Hot Rails To Hell) and 10/17/80 (Black Blade); Tower Theatre, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - 12/31/81 (Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll); The Country Club, Reseda, California - 12/15/81 (Roadhouse Blues); Mid-Hudson Civic Center, Poughkeepsie, New York - 2/11/80 (Dominance And Submission - originally recorded for the "King Biscuit Flower Hour"). The drum fills before the final verse of "Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll" are not as they were played live - some of the beats were removed in the mixing. This is believed to be the last BOC album that was available on 8-track tape. *The Revolution By Night* Take Me Away -- (E. Bloom, A. Nova) Eyes On Fire -- (G. Winter) Shooting Shark -- (D. Roeser, P. Smith) Veins -- (D. Roeser, R. Meltzer) Shadow Of California -- (J. Bouchard, N. Smith, S. Pearlman) Feel The Thunder -- (E. Bloom) Let Go -- (E. Bloom, D. Roeser, I. Hunter) Dragon Lady -- (D. Roeser, B. Blotto) Light Years Of Love -- (J. Bouchard, H. Wheels) Notes: Released in October 1983. Produced by Bruce Fairbain. Instruments: Eric Bloom (guitar, vocals), Joe Bouchard (bass, electric and spanish guitar, vocoder, vocals), Rick Downey (drums), Allen Lanier (piano, synthesizers), Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser (guitar, keyboards, vocals), Larry Fast/Synergy (additional synthesizer programming), Randy Jackson (bass on "Shooting Shark"), Marc Baum (saxophone on "Shooting Shark"), Greg Winter (background vocals on "Eyes On Fire"), Aldo Nova (guitar and synthesizer on "Take Me Away"). *Club Ninja* White Flags -- (Leggatt Bros.) Dancin' In The Ruins -- (L. Gottlieb, J. Scanlon) Make Rock Not War -- (B. Halligan Jr.) Perfect Water -- (D. Roeser, J. Carroll) Spy In The House Of The Night -- (D. Roeser, R. Meltzer) Beat 'Em Up -- (B. Halligan Jr.) When The War Comes -- (J. Bouchard, S. Pearlman) Shadow Warrior -- (E. Bloom, D. Roeser, Eric Van Lustbader) Madness To The Method -- (D. Roeser, D. Trismen) Notes: There were three different releases of this album, each with a slightly different mix. A somewhat rushed mix was released in England in November of 1985. Another mix was released in Scandinavia in December of 1995. The US version, the third mix, was released in January 1986. Produced by Sandy Pearlman. Instruments: Eric Bloom (vocals, guitar), Joe Bouchard (bass, vocals, guitar), Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser (vocals, guitars, keyboards), Jimmy Wilcox (background vocals, percussion), Tommy Zvoncheck (synthesizers, piano, organ), Thommy Price (drums), Phil Grande (additional guitars), Kenny Aaronson (additional bass). This is the first CD recorded by BOC (as opposed to previous releases, where the CD was later cut from the LP masters). The spoken words at the start of "When the War Comes"("When the bones of our oppressors... All hail the revolution") are done by New York DJ Howard Stern (who's cousin is married to Eric Bloom). At least one of the two European releases of this album does not contain these spoken words. In addition, on the first (England) mix, "White Flags" does not end via fade-out. This album is currently no longer in print in the U.S. EPIC records released this album as a "Collector's Choice" edition in 1992 in England, using the Scandinavian mix. *Imaginos* I Am The One You Warned Me Of -- (S. Pearlman, D. Roeser, A. Bouchard) Les Invisibles -- (S. Pearlman, A. Bouchard) In The Presence Of Another World -- (S. Pearlman, J. Bouchard) Del Rio's Song -- (S. Pearlman, A. Bouchard) The Siege And Investiture Of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle At Weisseria -- (S. Pearlman, A. Bouchard) Astronomy -- (S. Pearlman, J. Bouchard, A. Bouchard) Magna Of Illusion -- (S. Pearlman, D. Roeser, A. Bouchard) Blue Oyster Cult -- (S. Pearlman, E. Bloom) Imaginos -- (S. Pearlman, A. Bouchard) Note: Released in July 1988. Produced by Sandy Pearlman - associate producer: Albert Bouchard. Instruments: Eric Bloom (vocals), Albert Bouchard (guitar, percussion, vocals), Joe Bouchard (keyboards, vocals), Allen Lanier (keyboards), Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser (guitars, vocals), Kenny Aaronson (bass), Thommy Price (drums), Jack Secret (additional vocals), Tommy Moringiello (guitars), Jack Rigg (guitars), Tommy Zvoncheck (keyboards), Shocking U (background vocals on "In The Presence Of Another World"), Joey Cerisano (additional lead vocal on "The Siege And Investiture Of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle At Weisseria"), Jon Rogers (additional lead vocal on "Imaginos"), The Guitar Orchestra of the State of Imaginos (Marc Biedermann, Kevin Carlson, Robbie Krieger, Tommy Moringiello, Aldo Nova, Jack Rigg, Joe Satriani). In addition, Albert Bouchard says that several musicians were either improperly credited, or not credited at all. See the specific FAQ question on the recording of *Imaginos* for more on this topic. Solo Albums, and Movie Soundtracks ---------------------------------- *Flat Out* (Buck Dharma solo album) Born To Rock -- (N. Smith, D. Roeser) That Summer Night -- (D. Roeser) Cold Wind -- (D. Roeser) Your Loving Heart -- (D. Roeser, S. Roeser) Five Thirty-Five -- (D. Roeser) Wind Weather And Storm -- (R. Meltzer, D. Roeser) All Tied Up -- (D. Roeser) Anwar's Theme -- (D. Roeser) Come Softly To Me -- (G. Christopher, B. Ellis, G. Troxel) Notes: Released in 1982. Produced by Donald Roeser. Instruments: Buck Dharma (all vocals, instruments, effects and noises, except those that follow), Sandy Roeser (vocal on "Come Softly To Me", backing vocals on "That Summer Night"), R. Downey (drums on "Your Loving Heart", "Five Thirty-Five", "Anwar's Theme"), Neil Smith (drums on "Born To Rock", "That Summer Night"), Dennis Dunaway (bass on "Born To Rock"), Giis de Lang (additional rhythm guitar on "Born To Rock"), Richard Crooks (drums on "Cold Wind"), Will Lee (bass on "Cold Wind", "All Tied Up"), Billy Alessi (synthesizer on "Cold Wind" and "All Tied Up"), Craig MacGregor (bass on "Your Loving Heart", "Five Thirty-Five", "Anwar's Theme"), Spkye Grubb (backing vocal on "Five Thirty-Five"), Teruo Nakamura (bass on "Wind Weather And Storm"), Richie Cannata (sax, clarinet, and horn arrangement on "Wind Weather And Storm"), Steve Jordan (drums on "All Tied Up"), Sue Evans (percussion on "Anwar's Theme", "Come Softly To Me"), D. Roeser (a.k.a. Buck Dharma, drums on "Wind Weather And Storm", synthesizer on "All Tied Up"), Jan Allen, Terry Bretone, Sandy Roeser, Richard Bifulco (hospital staff on "Your Loving Heart"), (2K) Kessie (PA voice on "Your Loving Heart"). A special thanks is listed to Chris Cassone "for Gnop Gnip" (see "hidden messages" section of FAQ). This album is currently no longer in print in the U.S., however was released on CD in France in 1995 (see elsewhere in the FAQ for more information). *Bad Channels* (movie soundtrack, available only on CD) Demon's Kiss -- (E. Bloom, D. Roeser, J. Shirley) The Horsemen Arrive -- (E. Bloom, D. Roeser, J. Shirley) ... (several non-BOC tunes by other bands) ... Bad Channels Movie Soundtrack (instrumental pieces written and performed by BOC): Bad Channels Overture Power Station Power Station II Shadow V.U. Cosmo Rules, But Lump Controls Battering Ram This Dude Is F****d Pick Up Her Feed Spray That Scumbag Out Of Station Tree Full Of Owls Cookie In Bottle Corky Gets It Eulogy For Corky Spore Bomb Remodeling Ginger Snaps Moon Gets It Notes: Released in 1992. Instruments: Eric Bloom (lead vocals, guitar, keyboards), Buck Dharma (lead guitar, vocals, keyboards), Allen Lanier (guitar, keyboards), Jon Rogers (bass, background vocals), Chuck Burgi (drums, background vocals). ---------------- End of Section 2 out of 7 From tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Sep 1 14:58:28 1995 From: tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Tox) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:58:28 -0400 Subject: Where are the archives? In-Reply-To: <199509011822.OAA15124@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, John A Swartz wrote: > 4. A complete (1 part) version of the FAQ will also be sent to the BOC-L > archives. For those of you with web pages, this version is preferable to > use on your pages as people will be able to download the whole thing > all at once rather than in 7 parts. So, you may wish to wait until the > FAQ shows up in the archives (probably next week, depending on when our > humble moderator can get to it -- after all, he's been fairly busy lately > moving our server) before you add it to your page. But, I'll leave that > stuff to folks who create web pages. > Where are the archives at? -Tox From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 1 14:58:13 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 14:58:13 -0400 Subject: BOC FAQ: Part 3 of 7, Ver. 2.0 Message-ID: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ BOC FAQ -- Part 3 (Discography - Part 2, Questions - Part 1) Version: 2.0 Date of Latest Revision: September 5, 1995 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ NOTE: The file for this FAQ has been split into 7 parts for portability among newreaders, mail servers, etc as it contains approximately 210 Kbytes of data. If you don't see and "End of Section" indication at the end of each section, you didn't get the whole thing. The FAQ will be available in its entirety for FTP access (see elsewhere in this FAQ for more information). See copyright and disclaimer at the end of Part 7 -- this FAQ may only be distributed in its entirety, including the copyright and disclaimer. Thanks for your cooperation, John ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Eponymous* (first release by "The Brain Surgeons") Language Of Love -- (D. Frost, A. Bouchard) Most Romantic Place In The World -- (R. Meltzer, A. Bouchard) I Play The Drums -- (S. Kempner) Soul Jive -- (P. Smith, D. Frost, A. Bouchard) Brain From Terra Incognita -- (R. Meltzer, D. Frost, A. Bouchard) Love Potion #9 -- (Lieber, Stoller) Mad Dude -- (R. Meltzer, A. Bouchard) Big Bang Theory -- (D. Frost, A. Bouchard) Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye -- (D. Frost, A. Bouchard) (666) Devil Got Your Mother -- (D. Roter, A. Bouchard) Name Your Monster -- (D. Frost, A. Bouchard) Time Will Take Care Of You -- (D. Frost, M. Barkan, A. Bouchard) Notes: Released in 1994 by Cellsum records, and later Ripe and Ready. Produced by Albert Bouchard and Deborah Frost. Instruments: Deborah Frost (vocals, drums, percussion, guitar), Albert Bouchard (vocals, drums, guitars, The Legendary Albertron, keyboards, piano, percussion, sax, synth, slide, jaminator), Mike Leslie (bass, bass violin, synth), Jacob Bouchard (guitar samples), Ace Boucahrd (vocals, toy drums), Flip Barnes (trumpet), David Hirschberg (alto sax), Steve Levy (comet). The "Legendary Albertron", according to Al Bouchard, is "an idea that I borrowed from Glen Branca. A couple 2x4s, old strings, pieces of pipe, tuning pegs and humbucking pickups. I made it for the Imaginos Overture back in '83." *Trepanation* (second release by "The Brain Surgeons") Gimme Nothin' (R. Meltzer, D. Frost, A. Bouchard) Stones In My Passway (R. Johnson) Medusa (D. Frost, A. Bouchard) A Kiss Is A Promise (D. Frost, A. Bouchard) Sally (P. Smith, A. Bouchard) My Civilization (D. Frost, A. Bouchard) Happy New Year (D. Frost, A. Bouchard) Sisters Of The Precious Blood (D. Frost, A. Bouchard) Ramblin' Rose (Wilkin, Birch) Hansel & Gretel (R. Meltzer, D. Frost, A. Bouchard) Everything Is Blue (A. Bouchard, D. Frost, A. Bouchard) If U Come Close (H. Wheels, D. Frost, A. Bouchard) Bad Habit (D. Frost, A. Bouchard) Night Of The 1,000 Guitars (The Brain Surgeons) Notes: Released in 1995 by Cellsum records. Produced by Albert Bouchard and Deborah Frost. Instruments: Albert Bouchard (vocals, drums, percussion, guitars, Albertron, sax, EBow, keyboards), Deborah Frost (vocals, guitars, percussion, clarinet), Peter Bohovesky (vocals, lead, rhythm and acoustic guitars, trumpet), Billy Hilfiger (lead, rhythm and acoustic guitars, vocals), David Hirschberg (bass guitar, saxophone, percussion), Joe Bouchard (mandolin on "A Kiss Is A Promise", vocals on "Sally", "Ramblin' Rose"), Ace Bouchard (percussion on "Happy New Year", "Sisters Of The Precious Blood", guitar on "Night Of The 1,000 Guitars"). Compilation Albums (domestic) ----------------------------- *(Don't Fear) The Reaper* (compilation) (available only on tape) (Don't Fear) The Reaper [from Agents Of Fortune] You're Not The One (I Was Looking For) [from Mirrors] 7 Screaming Diz-Busters [from Tyranny And Mutation] Career Of Evil [from Secret Treaties] Born To Be Wild Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll [from Blue Oyster Cult] Buck's Boogie [from Blue Oyster Cult - Live NY '72?] Redeemed [from Blue Oyster Cult] Notes: Released in 1989. The versions used on this recording were the single, not the album versions. The most notable differences include the edited version of "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" (the guitar solo section was cut), and "Career Of Evil" (Apparently the line, "Do it to your daughter on a dirt road" was considered too controversial -- the vocals were either re-recorded or re-mixed so the line says "Do it like ya oughtta on a dirt road"). Also, this version omits the second verse of the song. Born To Be Wild is a studio version of the song - the riff is different. The version of Buck's Boogie is a live version that is believed to be from a 1972 show in New York (see section on import live recordings). *Career Of Evil - The Metal Years* (compilation) Cities On Flame [from Extraterrestrial Live] The Red And The Black [from Extraterrestrial Live] Hot Rails To Hell [from Extraterrestrial Live] Dominance And Submission [from Extraterrestrial Live] 7 Screaming Diz-Busters [from On your Feet Or On Your Knees] ME 262 [from On Your Feet Or On Your Knees] E.T.I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) [from Agents Of Fortune] Beat 'Em Up [from Club Ninja] Black Blade [from Cultosaurus Erectus] Harvester Of Eyes [from Secret Treaties] Flaming Telepaths [from Secret Treaties] Godzilla [from Extraterrestrial Live] (Don't Fear) The Reaper [from Some Enchanted Evening] Note: Released in 1990. On the cassette version of this album, the jam at the end of "Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll" was removed - the song ends with Buck's trill way up the neck. The CD version of the album does not have this edit. *On Flame With Rock And Roll* (compilation) (Don't Fear) The Reaper [from Agents of Fortune] Transmaniacon MC [from Blue Oyster Cult] Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll [from Blue Oyster Cult] Kick Out The Jams [from Some Enchanted Evening] R. U. Ready 2 Rock [from Spectres] Career Of Evil [from Secret Treaties] Godzilla [from Spectres] Burnin' For You [from Fire Of Unknown Origin] Dominance And Submission [from Secret Treaties] Death Valley Nights [from Spectres] Notes: Released in 1990. The version of "Career Of Evil" used on this recording was the single, not the album version (Apparently the line, "Do it to your daughter on a dirt road" was considered too controversial -- the vocals were either re-recorded or re-mixed so the line says "Do it like ya oughtta on a dirt road"). Also, this version omits the second verse of the song. Two of the tracks ("Dominance And Submission", "Death Valley Nights") do not appear on the cassette version of this album. *Cult Classic* (re-recording of old BOC tunes) Don't Fear The Reaper -- (D. Roeser) E.T.I. (Extraterrestrial Intelligence) -- (S. Pearlman, D. Roeser) M.E. 262 -- (S. Pearlman, E. Bloom, D. Roeser) This Ain't The Summer Of Love -- (D. Roeser, D. Waller, M. Krugman) Burning For You -- (D. Roeser, R. Meltzer) O.D.'d On Life Itself -- (S. Pearlman, E. Bloom, D. Roeser, A. Bouchard) Flaming Telepaths -- (S. Pearlman, E. Bloom, D. Roeser, A. Bouchard) Godzilla -- (D. Roeser) Astronomy -- (S. Pearlman, A. Bouchard, J. Bouchard) Cities on Flame With Rock 'N' Roll -- (S. Pearlman, A. Bouchard, D. Roeser) Harvester Of Eyes -- (R. Meltzer, E. Bloom, D. Roeser) Buck's Boogie -- (D. Roeser) Don't Fear The Reaper (TV Mix) -- (D. Roeser) Godzilla (TV Mix) -- (D. Roeser) Notes: Released in 1994, on Herald Records. Produced by Donald Roeser and Eric Bloom. Executive producer: Steve Schenck. Associate producer: Jeff Kawalek. Instruments: Eric Bloom (lead vocals, guitar, keyboards), Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser (lead guitar, lead vocals, keyboards), Allen Lanier (keyboards, guitars), Jon Rogers (bass, background vocals), Chuck Burgi (drums, percussion, background vocals). Compilation Albums (foreign) ---------------------------- *Rock Storia E Musica - Blue Oyster Cult - Gruppo Editoriale Fabri* (Italian import compilation) (available only on tape) E.T.I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) [from Extraterrestrial Live] (Don't Fear) The Reaper [from Extraterrestrial Live] Hot Rails To Hell [from Extraterrestrial Live] Godzilla [from Extraterrestrial Live] Dominance And Submission [from Extraterrestrial Live] Monsters [from Cultosaurus Erectus] The Great Sun Jester [from Mirrors] Black Blade [from Extraterrestrial Live] Notes: Released in 1983. *Rock Shots - Hins Collection - "Club Ninja" Track Sequence* (Indonesian import compilation) (available only on tape) Beat 'Em Up Make Rock, Not War Spy In The House Of The Night Dancin' In The Ruins The Shadow Warrior Perfect Water White Flags When The War Comes Madness To The Method Light Years Of Love Eyes On Fire Shadow Of California Take Me Away Notes: Released in 1986. The versions on this tape are presumably the same versions as appeared on *The Revolution By Night* and *Club Ninja*. *Il Grande Rock* (Italian import compilation) This Ain't The Summer Of Love The Red And The Black Godzilla (Don't Fear) The Reaper E.T.I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) Joan Crawford R.U. Ready 2 Rock Astronomy The Subhuman Blue Oyster Cult Notes: Released in 1991, by D'Agostini. Part of a "magazine set" - a large series of around 100 or so CDs/pamphlets on various rock bands. A subscriber would receive a new CD/pamphlet on a periodic basis until they had the whole set. Only one CD had BOC songs. The songs were recorded straight off BOC LPs. Most of the songs were the studio versions (however, "Astronomy", and possibly others, where live). *The Reaper - Best* (German/Holland import compilation) (Don't Fear) The Reaper [from Agents of Fortune] Godzilla [from Spectres] R. U. Ready 2 Rock [from Some Enchanted Evening] Then Came The Last Days Of May [from On Your Feet Or On Your Knees] Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll [from Blue Oyster Cult] The Marshall Plan [from Cultosaurus Erectus] Burnin' For You [from Fire Of Unknown Origin] Joan Crawford [from Fire Of Unknown Origin] Dr. Music [from Mirrors] We Gotta Get Out Of This Place [from Some Enchanted Evening] White Flags [from Club Ninja] The Vigil [from Mirrors] Take Me Away [from The Revolution By Night] Shooting Shark [from The Revolution By Night] I Am The One You Warned Me Of [from Imaginos] In The Presence Of Another World (Excerpts From) [from Imaginos] Notes: Released in 1993. Distributed by Sony Music Entertainment (Germany), made in Austria, printed in Holland. Most of the writing on the CD liner, including about 10 pages of history on the band, is printed in German. Several of the songs ("(Don't Fear) The Reaper", "Godzilla", "Then Came The Last Days Of May", "Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll", "Joan Crawford", "We Gotta Get Out Of This Place") have been enhanced over the original album versions to improve the sound quality. The version of "In The Presence Of Another World" is an abbreviated version of the song appearing on *Imaginos* - the song ends after the line "In the fullness of another world, there is no emptiness . . ." just prior to the "Your master" coda section. The version of "We Gotta Get Out Of This Place" is from the LP version of *Some Enchanted Evening*, not the CD version (see notes for *Some Enchanted Evening*). Import Live Recordings ---------------------- Note: With the possible exception of *Live 1976*, most of the following won't be found in your local (U.S.) record store. How to obtain these recordings is discussed elsewhere in this FAQ. *Blue Oyster Cult - Live NY '72* (France Import) (possible alternate titles include "The BOC Bootleg", "Fantasy Distillation of Reality", "The Soft White Underbelly [Maserati ME-262]", and "In My [Your?] Mouth or On the Ground", with different release dates) The Red And The Black Buck's Boogie Workshop Of The Telescopes Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll Notes: The track order shown is reversed on some versions. "The Red And The Black", "Workshop Of The Telescopes", and "Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll" were recorded live at Nugget Pizza Parlor, Rochester, NY on 4/3/72. "Buck's Boogie" appeared on a compilation album of various artists, entitled, *The Guitars That Destroyed The World* in the early 70's. Most versions of this recording are only available on LP, although a CD version with the above order exists (The CD title is simply, "Blue Oyster Cult", and was released in 1985). "The BOC Bootleg" was released as a 12-inch EP in 1972. The same audience track was mixed in after each song. "Fantasy Distillation of Reality" (which is mislabeled as being recorded "live in Montreal") is listed as including two additional tracks, "What Is Quick Sand", and "Arthur Comics", which were recorded by the band under the name, Stalk-Forrest Group". *Live 1976* (U.K. Import) Stairway To The Stars Harvester Of Eyes Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll ME-262 Dominance And Submission Astronomy Buck's Boogie This Ain't The Summer Of Love Born To Be Wild (Don't Fear) The Reaper Notes: Recorded in Largo, Maryland (12/27/76). Released in 1976, and re-released in 1991. Instruments: Eric Bloom (vocals, guitar, keyboards), Allen Lanier (keyboards, guitar), Joe Boucahrd (bass, vocals), Albert Boucahrd (drums, guitar, vocals), Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser (lead guitar, vocals). The sound quality on the CD is rather poor. A video by of this performance is also available (also entitled *Live 1976*), which includes all of the above songs, plus "E.T.I.". See later in the FAQ for a description of this video. *Still Kicking* (often mislabeled "Still Ticking"; possible alternative title is "Still Fighting", often mislabeled "Still Fiction") Intro Dr. Music Heavy Metal (The Black and Silver) Joan Crawford M.E. 262 Flaming Telepaths Veteran Of The Psychic Wars Roadhouse Blues Note: The songs were recorded in London at The Venue (8/19/81) and Castle Donnington (8/22/81). This recording may only be available on LP. The mislabeling of the titles stems from a very bizarre font which was used on the cover, that was difficult to read. The sound quality is poor. "Heavy Metal" included an up-tempo riff at the end of the song that was only done by the band on the European leg of this tour. *The Thing!* (Italy Import) (also released as a German import as two individual CDs -- "Blue Oyster Cult Vol. 1" and "Blue Oyster Cult Vol. 2"; also, the tracks indicated with a + were released as single CD imports under the titles "Godzilla", and "Burnin'") Disk 1 Dr. Music + E.T.I. Burnin' For You + Fire Of Unknown Origin + Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll Joan Crawford + Flaming Telepaths Veteran Of The Psychic Wars + Hot Rails To Hell + Disk 2 ME-262 + Heavy Metal (Don't Fear) The Reaper + Godzilla + Born To Be Wild + 5 Guitars (Golden Age Of Leather) + Roadhouse Blues + Notes: Released in 1991. Recorded at Bonds International Casinos, New York City (6/16/81). Instruments: Eric Bloom (guitars, vocals), Donald Roeser (guitars, vocals), Allen Lanier (keyboards, backing vocals), Albert Bouchard (drums), Joe Bouchard (bass, backing vocals). The "Blue Oyster Cult Vol. 1/2" recording has the two disks reversed (i.e. "Vol. 1" is Disk 2 of "The Thing!", and "Vol. 2" is Disk 1 of "The Thing!"). "The Thing!" has the correct concert order. The CD has two major typos: The recording was at "Bonds International", not "Bands International". Also, the recording date was "6/16/81", not "6/18/81". This recording was broadcast on ABC Radio's "A Night on the Road" on 8/8/81. According to Bolle Gregmar, some of the songs at the end of the show (The Reaper, Godzilla, Born To Be Wild, 5 Guitars) were actually recorded the previous year (9/8/80 show at the Old Waldorf, San Francisco, CA). These were spliced in by Steve Schenck and George Geranios when the mixing budget ran out. Steve Schenck had to overdub the keyboards on "Flaming Telepaths". The version of "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" sounds as if Buck mistakenly sings the second verse twice, while the band recovers without missing a beat. Actually, the splicing of the two shows was done in the middle of the song, but was done in error. Also, for some unknown reason, "5 Guitars" was mixed after "Born To Be Wild", when in actuality the band played them in the opposite order ("5 Guitars" segues into "Born To Be Wild"). The photo on the front of *The Thing!* CD appears to have been taken in the early '70's (every-one's hair is quite long). *Nail You Down* (Luxembourg or Italy Import) (also released as an import with the title, "Rock and Roll Reapers") Stairway To the Stars Harvester Of Eyes Workshop Of Telescopes Before The Kiss (A Redcap) Born To Rock Hot Rails To Hell Seven Screaming Dizbusters Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll Burnin' For You Joan Crawford Born To Be Wild (Don't Fear) The Reaper Roadhouse Blues Notes: From the ABC recording, "Captured Live", recorded on 7/23/83 at Perkins Palace, Pasadena, CA, and broadcast on 8/29/83. The show also contained some songs from *Revolution By Night* (Take Me Away, Feel The Thunder, Veins), but they were not broadcast as the album had not yet been released. The photo on the back of the CD contains Albert Bouchard. He was not in the band at the time of this performance. This version of "Roadhouse Blues" contains, in the middle of the song, a few bars of the Doors' song, "Love Me Two Times" (which is incorrectly listed on the "Rock and Roll Reapers" release as a separate track). *Into The Crypts Of Rays* (Italy Import) R. U. Ready 2 Rock White Flags Take Me Away Dancin' In The Ruins The Shadow Warrior Burnin' For You Godzilla Wings Of Mercury (Don't Fear) The Reaper Born To Be Wild Let Go Shooting Shark Notes: Released in 1993. Recorded at the Civic Auditorium in Santa Monica, CA on 3/27/86. However, the last 3 songs on the CD are actually from a 2/14/84 show at the Hammersmith Odeon in London. The California portion of this recording (often incorrectly referred as being from Los Angeles) was broadcast on "The King Biscuit Flower Hour" on 7/13/86. "Wings Of Mercury" is credited as written by Donald Roeser, Eric Bloom, and Albert Bouchard. However, according to Bolle Gregmar, the song was actually written by Dream Syndicate (K. Percoda), and given to BOC to use (both Dream Syndicate and BOC were managed by Sandy Pearlman, and Tommy Zvoncheck plays keyboards on at least one Dream Syndicate album). The recording of "Born To Be Wild" appears to have been edited to remove the "Texas Chainsaw guitar duel". The second verse of "Shooting Shark" is not on the recording -- either the band did not perform the second verse, or it was edited out of the mix. The name of this release no doubt comes from the Celtic Frost song of the same name. Other Releases (Singles, Promos, Etc.) -------------------------------------- UNDER CONSTRUCTION -- This section is a somewhat sketchy listing of various BOC promos and singles that one might be able to find. Recordings which can't be found elsewhere (i.e. on some other BOC album) are listed in a separate section of the FAQ. 7" vinyl 1972 -- Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll - Mono/Stereo (promo) 1974 -- Hot Rails To Hell/7 Screaming Diz-Busters - (promo) 1975 -- Born To Be Wild - Studio version (promo) 1976 -- This Ain't The Summer of Love - Mono/Stereo (promo) 1976 -- This Ain't The Summer of Love/Debbie Denise 1976 -- (Don't Fear) The Reaper - Mono/Stereo (promo) 1976 -- (Don't Fear) The Reaper/Tattoo Vampire 1977 -- Godzilla - Stereo/Mono (promo) 1977 -- Goin' Through The Motions - Stereo/Mono (promo) 1977 -- Goin' Through The Motions/Searchin' For Celine 1977 -- I Love The Night/Nosferatu - (UK single) 1977 -- (Don't Fear) The Reaper/R. U. Ready 2 Rock - (UK single) 1978 -- We Gotta Get Out Of This Place - Mono/Stereo (promo) 1978 -- We Gotta Get Out Of This Place/E.T.I. 1979 -- Your Not The One (I Was Looking For) - (promo) 1979 -- Your Not The One (I Was Looking For)/Moon Crazy 1979 -- In Thee - (promo) 1979 -- In Thee/Lonely Teardrops 1979 -- Mirrors/Lonely Teardrops - UK single 1979 -- Mirrors/Lonely Teardrops - UK single (on clear vinyl) 1980 -- Here's Johnny (The Marshall Plan)/Divine Wind 1980 -- Fallen Angel/Lips In The Hills - import single 1981 -- Burnin' For You - LP version/short version 1981 -- Burnin' For You/Vengeance (The Pact) 1981 -- Burnin' For You/Heavy Metal: The Black and Silver 1983 -- Take Me Away - (promo) 1983 -- Take Me Away/Feel The Thunder 1983 -- Shooting Shark - (promo) 1983 -- Shooting Shark/Dragon Lady - (promo) 1986 -- White Flags 1986 -- Dancin' In The Ruins - (promo) 1986 -- Perfect Water - (promo) Unknown -- (Don't Fear) The Reaper/R U Ready 2 Rock - Old Gold - UK 80's reissue Unknown -- (Don't Fear) Reaper/Career of Evil - Columbia "Hall of Fame" - red and black label Unknown -- (Don't Fear) The Reaper/Burnin' For You - Columbia "Hall of Fame" - grey and black label Unknown -- Deadline - UK single 12" Vinyl 1977 -- Godzilla/Godzilla (live) - (promo) 1981 -- Burnin' For You/Joan Crawford/Sole Survivor/Veteran of the Psychic Wars - *Fire of Unknown Origin* 4 song sampler - (promo) 1981 -- Burnin' For You/Dr. Music (live)/Flaming Telepaths (live) - UK single 1982 -- Roadhouse Blues (LP/edit)/Veteran of Psychic Wars (all from *Extraterrestrial Live*) - (promo) 1983 -- Shooting Shark (LP/edit)/Take Me Away/Eyes on Fire - *Revolution By Night* 4 song sampler - (promo) 1983 -- Shooting Shark (extended version)/Dragon Lady - import single 1983 -- White Flags/Shooting Shark/Make Rock Not War - UK single 1986 -- Dancin' In The Ruins 1986 -- Perfect Water - LP version/short version Unknown -- Astronomy - UK single Unknown -- (Don't Fear) The Reaper - UK single (UK 78 tour edition) CD 1988 -- 4-version Astronomy - *Imaginos* promo (2 LP versions - one with Stephen King intro, 2 short versions - one with S. King intro) 1988 -- In The Presence of Another World (LP/edit) - *Imaginos* promo 1988 -- Astronomy/Magna of Illusion (from *Imaginos*)/(Don't Fear) The Reaper (from *Agents of Fortune*) - UK Single 1989 -- (Don't Fear) The Reaper/Burnin' For You 1994 -- (Don't Fear) The Reaper (*Cult Classic* promo) 1994 -- (Don't Fear) The Reaper/Burnin' For You/Godzilla (*Cult Classic* promo) 1994 -- (Don't Fear) The Reaper/Burnin' For You (from *Cult Classic*) - UK Single Other Tyranny and Mutation/Secret Treaties -- European double CD release Agents of Fortune/Spectres -- release as a single cassette Agents of Fortune/Spectres -- double vinyl Australian import release Imaginos - on blue vinyl -- UK import Cult Classic - Vinyl with picture sleeve Quadraphonic vinyl -- Tyranny and Mutation, Secret Treaties "White Label Promo" LPs -- Agents of Fortune, Spectres, Some Enchanted Evening, Mirrors, Cultosaurus Erectus "White Label Promo" Cassettes -- Club Ninja (4 song sampler, with Fastway on the b-side), Imaginos (4 song sampler), Imaginos (full) 4. R. U. Ready 2 Rock? -- Frequently Asked Questions What are BOC up to these days? ------------------------------ BOC are currently managed by Steve Schenck, the executive producer of *Cult Classic*. They may be releasing a studio album in the (hopefully not-too-distant) future (see next question). BOC is, as one of their t-shirts sold at a concert from a few years ago says, "On Tour Forever" (mostly touring large clubs). TicketMaster is handling the tickets for most of their concerts, which are not highly promoted. Many of us find out where they are playing after the show is over. Keep your eyes open! Eric Bloom also occasionally posts upcoming show dates on America On-Line, and these dates have been posted on some pages on the World Wide Web (see another part of this FAQ for more information). In addition, members of the band (Buck and Eric in particular) have been involved in a side project known as "The On The Road Band", which plays in the New York/New Jersey area on various occasions. The band consists of several musicians who play in the band when they are not on tour. Buck and Eric have played in the band for a few shows, as have musicians such as John Miceli, Kasim Sulton, Joe Lynn Turner and Al Petrelli. Since the band has a sort of revolving door line-up, members of BOC do not play at every show. Albert Bouchard is currently playing occasional shows (mostly clubs in the New York area) with The Brain Surgeons (Al on drums and lead vocals, Deborah Frost on lead vocals and rhythm guitar, Peter Bohovesky on guitar, Billy Hilfiger on guitar, and David Hirschberg on bass). They play mostly Brain Surgeons' tunes (drawing from their two albums, *Eponymous* and *Trepanation*, along with a few BOC tunes (Baby Ice Dog, The Red And The Black, Career Of Evil, This Ain't The Summer of Love, Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll, and Death Valley Nights have been played on different occasions). Brain Surgeons' guitarist Billy Hilfiger, who played in Joe Bouchard's "Cult Brothers", also plays in a New York rock band known as "Wired". Joe Bouchard, according to Bolle Gregmar, is now really "Dr. Music", having received his Master's Degree in Music (at the University of Hartford). His thesis/grad test was a four movement dance work for orchestra, computers and a rock band, which he composed and scored. Also, he has been brewing lots of beer as a hobby. He hopes to get back to writing rock music in the future, as his other activities allow. He also teaches bass at the National Guitar Summer Workshop, and is hoping to publish his own bass instruction book through the NGSW in the future. Sandy Pearlman, according to Bolle Gregmar, is running his studio Alpha & Omega in San Marin, California. He is hoping to turn *Imaginos* into a multi-media project, however no major definite steps have been taken at this time. His involvement with BOC is still as manager and co-owner of BOC, but he is not really contributing any material for the band at this time. According to BOC-L member Alan Siebert, BOC will be supplying the music for an upcoming CD-ROM game called "Ripper". When is the new album (*not* a "Greatest Hits" album) coming out? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Latest word from the band has a new studio album coming out "in the future". "I'd Like To See You In Black", "Still Burnin'", "Harvest Moon", "The Power Underneath Despair", and "In The Cold Grey Light Of Dawn" are songs that the band has performed live over the past few years, and are potential candidates for the album. According to Bolle Gregmar, the band has laid down several tracks for the new album, with most of the remaining tracks to be completed soon. However, as of this writing, no record deal for the release this album has been finalized. Some fans may be a bit skeptical as BOC have had a habit in the past several years of announcing that a new album would be out soon, only to find that the album never came. It was thought that there would definitely be an album out soon after the *Bad Channels* soundtrack came out, but the date kept getting pushed back. Finally, much to the disappointment of some BOC fans, another 'Greatest Hits' album (i.e. *Cult Classic*) was released. So, at the moment, many BOC fans are cynical to the band's statements that a new album will be out any time soon (although, to be fair, many of the past delays were due to contractual problems between BOC and CBS). The band announced in the summer of 1994 at their shows that their next studio album would be out during the upcoming winter. Latest word now is summer of 1995. And we wait . . . and hope . . . and pray . . . Is *Flat Out* available on CD? ------------------------------ Short Answer: YES! Longer Answer: The album was never released in the U. S. on CD. However, it is available as an import. According to Bolle Gregmar, it's a French release on SONY/PORTRAIT (14-477942-10) -- part of their "Mr. Collector" series. Future?: Bolle Gregmar had been discussing with Buck Dharma the possibility of letting Rhino Records release *Flat Out* on CD, possibly with an additional track. The status of this project is not currently known. ---------------- End of Section 3 out of 7 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 1 15:01:19 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 15:01:19 -0400 Subject: BOC FAQ: Part 4 of 7, Ver. 2.0 Message-ID: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ BOC FAQ -- Part 4 (Questions - Part 2) Version: 2.0 Date of Latest Revision: September 5, 1995 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ NOTE: The file for this FAQ has been split into 7 parts for portability among newreaders, mail servers, etc as it contains approximately 210 Kbytes of data. If you don't see and "End of Section" indication at the end of each section, you didn't get the whole thing. The FAQ will be available in its entirety for FTP access (see elsewhere in this FAQ for more information). See copyright and disclaimer at the end of Part 7 -- this FAQ may only be distributed in its entirety, including the copyright and disclaimer. Thanks for your cooperation, John ------------------------------------------------------------------------ What is the "best" BOC album? ----------------------------- Perhaps this question should be: "What BOC album should I buy?", which gets asked every now and then, usually by people who have only heard BOC on the radio (i.e., "(Don't Fear) The Reaper", "Burnin' For You", and maybe "Godzilla"), and are looking to buy one BOC album. Or it gets answered when someone voices their dislike for a particular album (Editor's note: *Club Ninja*, and sometimes *Mirrors* or *The Revolution By Night*, most often get this abuse, and then several individuals will rush to the albums' defense). There is no definitive answer - it's obviously a matter of personal choice, but the following might provide some guidance: 1. Some people recommend live albums, and BOC has 3 to choose from. *Extraterrestrial Live* is the most recent, and captures the band near the peak of its commercial success. *On Your Feet Or On Your Knees* is the earliest, capturing much of the older material. *Some Enchanted Evening*, although only a single album (the other 2 are double albums), is considered by many to have the best sound and song selection. 2. Compilation albums might be recommended for those who don't plan on purchasing more than a few albums. BOC, like other bands that have been around for years, have more than one to choose from. The upcoming Sony compilation, *Workshop Of The Telescopes*, scheduled for release in the fall of 1995, may stand head and shoulders above all the others as the definitive "best of and rest of" package. Not only are the hits planned to be included, but all of the singles (both A and B sides) are there, including the studio version of "Born To Be Wild", which was previously only available as a vinyl single. In addition, the four songs on the *Live Bootleg* release, previously only available on rare vinyl or as an "import live recording", may be included. As for the other compilation albums to choose from, *Cult Classic* is the most representative of what songs the band is playing live these days, and how they are playing them (the songs have been re-recorded). Some have complained that these re- recordings lack the energy of the original versions, while others really like the new versions. The bulk of *Career Of Evil - The Metal Years* is from live albums, particularly *Extraterrestrial Live*, but also has a few tracks from various studio albums. *On Flame With Rock And Roll*, which can often be found at a bargain price in many record store's cut- out sections, contains mostly studio versions of some of BOC's more popular songs (such as "(Don't Fear) The Reaper", "Burnin' For You", "Godzilla", and "Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll"), along with a few other tracks that, for the most part, are now rarely performed by BOC. Finally, the European release, *The Reaper - Best*, is a good compilation, for those who can obtain it -- 77 minutes of songs from most of the band's albums (some of which are slightly enhanced in sound quality over the original versions), and an interesting booklet on the band (if you can read German). 3. While the band no longer performs songs from this album (see next question for more information), many of BOC's current fans cite the album, *Imaginos* as the best work the band every put out (both from a musical and conceptual standpoint). Others, however, point out that BOC as a group are not completely responsible for this album (again, see next question for more information). Some of the concepts alluded to in *Imaginos* (as well as versions of two of the songs) are present on the *Secret Treaties* album, and many fans cite this album as their favorite (the band still regularly plays 2 or 3 of the songs off that album). 4. Due mostly to the benefit of a hit single on them, *Agents Of Fortune* (containing "(Don't Fear) The Reaper"), *Spectres* (containing "Godzilla"), and *Fire Of Unknown Origin* (containing "Burnin' For You") are probably BOC's most successful albums commercially, and some fans would cite one of them as their favorites. 5. Since he is the head of the BOC fan club, it is appropriate to consider Bolle Gregmar's favorite album, *Cultosaurus Erectus*. This album, released after *Mirrors*, marked a return to the "heavier" BOC sound, due in part to the production talents of Martin Birch (who had produced albums for Black Sabbath and Deep Purple). According to Bolle, the album is very energetic, and contains some of the band's best song- writing. 6. The one that started it all, *Blue Oyster Cult*, is cited by many as their favorite. The band's roots can be most clearly seen on this album, and "Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll" and "Stairway To The Stars" are still regularly performed by the band. For those that like the songs on the first album, *Tyranny and Mutation* and *Secret Treaties* also get high marks. Editor's Note: The only "real" way to enjoy BOC is to get *all* of their albums. What is the story behind the recording of the album, *Imaginos*? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The Imaginos story actually pre-dates BOC, and started within the mind of Sandy Pearlman, who, back in about 1967, wrote a collection of poems called "The Soft Doctrines of Imaginos". It was Pearlman's desire that BOC be the embodiment of the Imaginos concept. Around that time, two songs were written around this concept -- "Gil Blanco County" (which would appear on the Stalk-Forrest Group demo for Elektra), and a Buck Dharma tune called "Port Jefferson". While the band decided against doing the concept, Albert Bouchard began working on music for it. By 1974, the songs "Imaginos", "Astronomy" (which appeared on *Secret Treaties*), and "The Subhuman" (which also appeared on *Secret Treaties*, and would later be changed to "Blue Oyster Cult" on the *Imaginos* album) were written. At the *Spectres* sessions, Joe Bouchard demoed "In The Presence Of Another World", while Albert Bouchard demoed "Del Rio's Song", "I Am The One You Warned Me Of", "The Siege And Investiture Of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle At Weisseria", and a song entitled, "The Girl That Love Made Blind" -- however, the band was still not interested in doing the whole project. Albert continued to write and demo songs for the project, and by *Cultosaurus Erectus*, really wanted to see the band do the concept. After Albert left BOC in 1981, he began working with Sandy Pearlman on the project, recording all the basic tracks in 1982. By 1984, the Imaginos work was essentially completed. Sandy Pearlman first approached CBS about putting the album together around 1981, and CBS was initially interested in the project. According to Eric Bloom, CBS was not happy with the final result (in which Albert sang much of the lead vocals), and was not interested in releasing the album unless it was released as a "BOC" album with Eric Bloom and Buck Dharma singing lead vocals. After BOC had broken up in 1986, the idea of the band getting together to release *Imaginos* was discussed. Albert, hoping to get the original line-up back together for the recording (and a subsequent tour), spent time getting in contact with all the original members of the band. Apparently Albert had a difficult time convincing Joe Bouchard, who was the last of the original 5 members to quit the band, to do the project. However, the rest of the band (Eric Bloom, Buck Dharma, Allen Lanier, Jon Rogers, joined by Ron Riddle on drums) had reformed as Blue Oyster Cult by the time Joe Bouchard had agreed to do the project. In addition, the financial obligations had to be worked out as Albert wanted to be co-producer of the album, having played such a large role in the project. With the band re-forming in mid-1987 without Albert and Joe Bouchard, Albert abandoned the project. However, Sandy Pearlman and the band did go forward with the project, re-doing some of the tracks by early 1988, and releasing *Imaginos* as a BOC album later that year. The original 5 members of the band are credited as performing on the album, along with several other musicians (see album credits in Discography section). However, it is not clear how much of a "BOC" album this is, beyond Eric/Buck's lead vocals, and their hand in the writing of some of the songs. According to Albert Bouchard, the bulk of the instrumentation credits should go to Tommy Morrongiello (guitars), Jack Rigg (guitars), and Tommy Mandel (keyboards - uncredited on the album). In addition, Albert says the following were not credited on the album: Jon Rogers (additional lead vocal on "I Am The One You Warned Me Of"), Phil Grandee (guitar). Between the *Imaginos* credits, the reworking of the songs, and the fact that the band apparently did not want Albert back as their drummer after the release of *Imaginos*, there are considerable hard feelings between Albert and BOC/Sandy Pearlman. The original *Imaginos* project contained over 90 minutes of music, and budgets wouldn't allow for the complete package. The "complete" Imaginos story spans 200 years from the beginning of the 19 Century to the end of the 20th. At the time the album was recorded, two other parts were anticipated, entitled (according to Sandy Pearlman) "Germany Minus Zero And Counting" and "The Mutant Reformation". Albert Bouchard has indicated that possible titles for "Germany Minus Zero And Counting" were "Half-Life Time", and "Bombs Over Germany". According to Albert Bouchard, the following songs were left off of *Imaginos*: "Gil Blanco County", "The Girl That Love Made Blind", "Blue Oyster Cult Reprise", "Imaginos Overture", and an acapella reprise of the first verse of "Magna Of Illusion". Also, the song "Shadow Of California" (from the album, *The Revolution By Night*) was partially re-worked from an Albert Bouchard song, "Half-Life Time", which was to appear on the second "Imaginos" album. With the past problems and current tensions between the various parties associated the recording of *Imaginos*, it is probably unlikely that the full Imaginos saga will ever be completed. Sandy Pearlman is apparently working on an Imaginos comic book and multi-media (video game) project, but this project is also likely to remain unfinished. Recently, Albert Bouchard provided a list of songs which might be applicable to the rest of the Imaginos trilogy. They appear, with his comments, as follows: Act One: The Imaginos album we're familiar with. Act Two: Bombs over Germany Workshop Of The Telescopes The Girl That Love Made Blind * ME 262 The Red And The Black Cities On Flame ** Shadow Of California Half Life Time + Veteran Of The Psychic Wars ++ Career Of Evil ++ Act Three: The Mutant Reformation Take Me Away ++ The Vigil ++ ETI R. U. Ready 2 Rock Heavy Metal Flaming Telepaths Gil Blanco County * Redeemed * Left off the original Imaginos album ** "Motor City is Burning" version -- based somewhat on the MC5 song + Very few have heard this one ++ Non-Pearlman songs because I never plan to write another with him and these tunes kind of fit into the story What is the story told by the album, *Imaginos*? ------------------------------------------------ Sandy Pearlman, in an interview with Kerrang magazine (September 1988) says, "Basically, it's an interpretation of history - an explanation for the onset of World War 1, or a revelation of the occult origins of it. Imaginos is the main character, and is what I call 'an actor in history'. He plays different roles in history and was born as a modified child, modified by an alien influence, and his mission is to present the human race with the challenge of evil. The aliens are playing with our history as if it's a game, and he motivates the game and presents the choices to the human race. They react as they will." Sandy Pearlman also says that the story explains what the "Blue Oyster Cult" is. "They are aliens. When Imaginos is dying on a beach (in the song 'Blue Oyster Cult'), they announce their presence to him and give him a choice - side with them or die as a human. He chooses the former and realizes he was one of them after all. In 'Astronomy' he realizes he is descended from the stars." Of course, the above statements leave much left untold, and subject to interpretation. Such discussion went on between various individuals on BOC-L, and this discussion was captured, distilled, and condensed into a sort of mini-thesis by BOC-L member Bryce "The Subhuman" Baker. His complete work may be available (either now or soon) in the BOC-L archives. An edited version of his work is presented here (note: quotes that go unreferenced are either from the liner notes or song lyrics): The Saga of Imaginos begins with the discovery of the New World by the Spanish. "Out beyond the Europe's rim the Spaniards met the Indians." The Indians: the natives of the New World, the Aztecs, Haitians, and others. "To the Spanish, agents of a Catholic Sovereign, the New World was no place of grace ... anti-genesis, anti-Eden, seat of evil, pit of darkness ... the priests in the expeditions could imagine no place worse than this place ... visibly in the thrall of invisible spirits." These spirits: Les Invisibles - The Invisible Ones. It is assumed that the Indians of the New World (in particular, the Aztecs and the Haitians) worshipped Les Invisibles (which we also assume to number seven). Les Invisibles' seat of power is Haiti, "... still a dream world, seat of Les Invisibles ...", suggesting a connection between their world and our world. This is not taken to be a physical connection (as a portal, for example), but a religious connection, as The Vatican is the seat of the Roman Catholic Church. Haitian Voodoo references are indeed present in Imaginos, Baron Samedi (see the lyrics to 'Les Invisibles') is reportedly the Voodoo lord of graveyards, and Les Mesteres (also in "Les Invisibles") is reportedly another name for the Loa, the seven African spirits worshipped in Voodoo. Regarding the dance of Don Pedro, ghost-dancing (a group dance for communication with the dead) plays a large part in Haitian religious beliefs, and apparently played a similarly large role in Aztec religious customs; drums seem to have been the instrument of choice (see lyrics in 'Les Invisibles' and 'Del Rio's Song'). As to the identity of Don Pedro, the emperor Montezuma supposedly had a Spanish- sympathizing son named Don Pedro who helped rebuild the Mexican capital after its destruction by the Spanish. How this could tie in is unclear, and may simply be a coincidence. If rich in its evil, the New World was also rich in its gold. At first, to the Spaniards, the gold was "no luminous mirror of delight, but rather, a mirror of blackness." But as fear turned to greed, in this gold, this mirror of blackness, "the Spaniards discovered for themselves an image of self without limit ... the invention of all new things, the invention of genocide." Greed overcame fear. Civilizations were wiped out (under the guise of religious purification), and Spanish power in Europe rose, fueled by the gold from the New World. "For hundreds of years, all the gold ... came from the New World ... the seduction of the Old World by the New World - innocence corrupts experience." Ultimately, the Spain/Portugal monopoly on the New World was broken by England, under the reign of Elizabeth I (1558-1603). "Her occult advisor was a Dr. John Dee. He spoke, he said, with invisible spirits and in his possession was a magic mirror of black volcanic glass ... it was fashioned in Mexico." Dee's associate, Edward Kelly, looked into the stone, and Dee recorded his visions (this mirror and some of Dee's other paraphernalia are on display in London in the British Museum). The interpretation relative to the Imaginos story is that Les Invisibles somehow made this mirror available to Dee, and information gained from using it was used in the destruction of Spanish power. It has been suggested that this was a form of 'retaliatory strike' at Spain by Les Invisibles for invading Mexico and eradicating much of the religion devoted to them. However, it is seems more likely that this wasn't a 'retaliatory strike' at all, but part of a larger, centuries-spanning scheme by Les Invisibles to cause strife and bloodshed in Europe, continuing all the way to World War I, and perhaps beyond. It should be noted that in contrast to the relative black mirror of New World gold mentioned in the first paragraph, here we have the first appearance of an actual, physical black mirror. In the early 1800's, (perhaps in the month of August) Les Invisibles cause the birth of a 'modified' child - Imaginos - in New Hampshire. His powers include the ability to see the future to some degree ("singing songs nobody knew and stories left undone") and to change his shape ("actually this Buzzardo was Imaginos in disguise"). Ignorant of his future role and billing himself as somewhat of an adventurer, he travels North America (at least Vermont and Texas) before winding up in New Orleans in 1829. Still acting as an "adventurer", he heads up an "expedition", sailing the Mississippi south towards Mexico. Realizing that there may be more of a reason behind his powers than he previously believed, and perhaps having visions or some other drive, he has goals for the expedition he isn't telling his crew. He is heading south to the Yucatan, to a place "just between the verse and me" where he will find something "lost, last and luminous, scored to sky yet never found". Somewhere along the trip, the boat is shipwrecked near land. As Imaginos lies on the shore, seriously injured and dying, his friends, the survivors of the shipwreck, leave him alone to die "on a shore where oyster beds seem plush as down". The morning tide washes in and he drowns. As can be seen here, Imaginos' ability to see into the future is limited to some degree, or he would have been able to foretell of his upcoming shipwreck. This shipwreck, however, was no accident. As he drowns, Les Invisibles come to Imaginos and show him everything: "the Invisible [Ones] visible at last and manifest; no mere hints or traces". Knowing who and what he is and the role carved for him in future events, he agrees to become the Invisible Ones' agent on earth; he becomes one of the "Blue Oyster Cult", the servants of Les Invisibles. Les Invisibles, acting through the "oyster boys" (some kind of fish-like creature) resurrect Imaginos from the dead. He is now their agent, "unleashed to forge a new destiny; he is Imaginos called Desdinova." After the shipwreck, it is clearly stated in the liner notes that Imaginos dies. The song "Blue Oyster Cult" contains a bit about "The Dream of Luxor", which is an Egyptian reference to rebirth: "Luxor, site of the southern Temple of Amun, built essentially by Amenophis III and Ramesses II. The image of Amun from the temple at Karnak spent the flood season here ... at Luxor, Amun took the form of Min, a mummiform, ithyphallic fertility god ... fertility gods in Egyptian religion were associated with rebirth and immortality." (Jean Lansford) "We understand, and so do I" and "One deal is what we made" from "Blue Oyster Cult", taken along with the liner notes for "Astronomy" point to the "all is made clear" inference (and also to the 'I didn't know what the hell's going on with me' inference mentioned above). It isn't really very clear just who or what the Oyster Boys are, just that they somehow are connected with The Invisible Ones. The next songs in the cycle are mainly descriptive, rather than playing out the story. "I Am the One You Warned Me Of" - Imaginos, reborn, fully aware of who and what he is. "Fresh from zones of moisture": on that "shore where oyster beds seemed plush as down" to a drowning young Imaginos. We almost get a sense of 'excitement' from this song. Albert Bouchard had an interesting comment on the song and the lyric "and afterwards the meat": "This song was influenced by "Memo from Turner" and was supposed to be about Imaginos getting down and lascivious." "In the Presence of Another World" - Imaginos, the earthly agent of Les Invisibles, still aware of his former self, but now so much more, and forebodings of the evil to come. "The Siege and Investiture of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle at Weisseria" - the continuation of Les Invisibles' influence on earth - earlier, through corruption by gold, now through corruption by technology. The liner notes have a lot to say on the reborn Imaginos: "This then is Imaginos of whom it will be said, between what he can realize and what he can imagine, there is to be nothing and no distance. His will be the perfect sight. 'Behind closed eyes realize your sight.' Through the powers of perfect vision and Imaginos, vested in him by Les Invisibles, he will bring the world to a rendezvous with its own destiny, to change the world's course, to -write- history, to tilt the axis of destiny - Imaginos becomes the world's greatest actor, a transcendent role player, an actor in history." It can only be assumed that between his rebirth (~1829) and the next song in the story (Magna of Illusion, ~1892), Imaginos is somehow living up to this role, involving himself in key events that will lead up to the grand conclusion. 1892, Imaginos, now in the role of an old sea captain: "Out beyond the Europe's rim and further by far, beyond the sphere of light, into a place where darkness is omnipotent and never from hungry. In Mayaland in the Yucatan he will discover an unheard-of temple or pyramid. At the core of the pyramid, with only one way in and no way out, is a chamber of jade, curiously sculpted with impossible angles, itself surrounding something hardly there, a new germ, made from 'pieces of the perfect black.' [jumping down a paragraph in the notes...] "In the chamber of jade is a mirror carved of blackest obsidian, black volcanic glass, tempered with blood: 'the sugar of sacrifice.' Obviously a magic mirror, it is nothing less than the Magna of Illusion: the last song in the cycle. In it Imaginos, now playing the of an old English sea captain in the 1890s, takes the mirror from Mexico (which is nowhere) to Europe. He takes it by crime and blood from the jungle to give to his granddaughter on her birthday. It sits in her family's attic in misty Cornwall for ten years or more. Poisoning Europe ..." [moving back up a paragraph in the notes...] "When thrust in vivo into Europe's all too fertile soil, this new germ will - having grown ever more powerful and mature, having in fact become an organism - beam ridding voices direct to the brains of the (European) multitudes. The voices call in hunger for absolute darkness and absolute light. They are ready. We are ready. It is ready" [moving back down...] "And then World War I breaks out. A disease with a long incubation." Some random general reflections: 1. If you follow the story, it is obvious that the songs on the album are in the wrong order. There is, however, this 'random access history' disclaimer. It has been speculated that the record company screwed up the order of the songs and the random access bit was added afterwards. That is completely unsubstantiated, and probably not true, but who knows? In the liner notes, an order is listed, but my interpretation of the real order (substantiated by Albert Bouchard) is: Les Invisibles Imaginos Del Rio's Song Blue Oyster Cult Astronomy I Am The One You Warned Me Of } these two could flip flop In The Presence Of Another World } The Siege And Investiture Of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle At Weisseria Magna Of Illusion 2. An issue that has not been explored is the origin or the location of Les Invisibles. From the liner notes and overall feel of the album, you get the impression of another, mystical world, beyond our time and space, and that is how the story has been interpreted above. But to throw in a wrench, I quote Albert Bouchard in Morning Final #10: "Basically, what it is that this guy comes down from a spaceship, and he lands in New Hampshire. I don't know if he has a son or not, but there's a young Immaginos (note: "Immaginos" was Albert's intended spelling) that is hatched from the spaceship in New Hampshire. He drifts down towards Texas. When he's in Texas he discovers that he has all sorts of powers that regular people don't have. I guess that he's probably not completely aware that he's an extra-terrestrial." Note that his interview was in 1982 (and done for some metal magazine, it was never published), a lot could have changed in the time between the interview and when the final version(s?) of the story was settled on. But if you look at some of the lyrics out of context, we have: "the rhyme of the star clock" [Les Invisibles] "this starry wisdom" [I Am the One ...] "how even space can modulate" [In the Presence ...] "the milky way abyss inclines" "the buried city in the stars" "from the glare of stars, the starry wisdom" [The Siege And ...] Again, the above quotes are -completely- out of context and are meant just to provide a (weak) counterview to the mystical, almost religious viewpoint. Also, a mystical location and an outerspace location are by no means mutually exclusive. But, to tighten that wrench: "and don't forget my dog, fixed and consequent" [Astronomy] "Astronomy...a star!" [Astronomy] "approached the sun, in August" [Imaginos] Sirius: The Dog Star, a star of the constellation Canis Major, the brightest star in the heavens. Used for navigational purposes because it usually remains fixed in the sky. The Dog Days ... the period of in late summer (between early July and late August) when Sirius rises and sets with the sun. And according to Dr. Paul Mather: "Okay, here's another Sirius connection. I remember R.A. Wilson making much about the connection between the "Dog Days" and Sirius. There is a "primitive" African tribe - the Dogon tribe - who, it seems, accurately detected the companion to Sirius and mapped its relationship to Sirius. This companion is invisible to the naked eye, and can only be detected by x-rays (I seem to recall). The tribe detected its presence long before modern radio astronomy." The plot thickens ... "The Dogon tribe worship a half-man, half-fish god, who is said to come from the companion star, and who is said to have come down to Earth." This account was later shown to the bogus result of the tribe mixing modern astronomy with their mythology, or something like that [from FoFP]. But it was still widespread and certainly available to influence a young Sandy Pearlman ... In any event, as mentioned above, "outer space" and "beyond time and space" are certainly not mutually exclusive. Is there a BOC/H.P. Lovecraft connection? ----------------------------------------- Not directly, however, some of the concepts in BOC's lyrics, particularly *Imaginos* seem to be inspired by some of Lovecraft's work. For those not familiar, Howard Phillips Lovecraft was an early 20th- century writer of horror and science fiction stories. Although some of Lovecraft's contemporaries often did not appreciate his work (labeling it "bad taste" and "sick"), Stephen King has acknowledged Lovecraft as the 20th-century's "greatest practitioner of the classic horror tale". He is best known for several short stories often referred to collectively as the "Cthulhu Mythos" -- these stories refer to "The Great Old Ones", creatures from other worlds and dimensions which once ruled the earth, and have since been defeated, expelled, or imprisoned by various cosmic forces. These creatures may rise again ("when the stars are right"), often aided by human cults performing ceremonies with various blasphemous incantations. Looking at the lyrics and liner notes of *Imaginos*, it's obvious that there are many similarities. The story told by *Imaginos* explores alot of the same concepts as the "Cthulhu Mythos", close enough for some to claim that the two are one and the same (For example, Desdinova or Imaginos is "an actor playing roles in history, challenging man against evil". He could be considered as an agent of evil -- Lovecraft's Nyarlathotep.). However, general opinion (on the BOC discussion group) is that *Imaginos*, while no doubt inspired by some of Lovecraft's work (Al Bouchard also indicates that Sandy Pearlman and he had read some of Lovecraft's work), is not meant to be a re-telling of Lovecraft's "Cthulhu Mythos". Having said that, the following are some literary references between *Imaginos* and Lovecraft's work: The song "Les Invisibles" contains the line "beneath the polar mountain". Lovecraft's tale, "At the Mountains of Madness" discusses Antarctica as being a location where some of the Great Old Ones either arrived, ruled, or lay waiting. The songs "I Am The One You Warned Me Of" and "The Siege And Investiture Of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle At Weisseria" both contain references to "Starry Wisdom". Lovecraft's story, "The Haunter of the Dark" refers to "the Church of the Starry Wisdom", a cult organization in which "the Shining Trapazohedron shows them heaven & other worlds, & that the Haunter of the Dark tells them secrets in some way." Also, the Shining Trapazohedron appears to be similar in function to the Magna of Illusion of *Imaginos*. The song, "Les Invisibles" talks about "the empress lay sleeping to the rhyme of the star clock", which may refer to the Great Old One's return "when the stars are right". The song "In The Presence Of Another World" contains the spoken words, "when the stars are right". This same line is used in Lovecraft's, "The Call of Cthulhu". In addition, the "Oyster Boys", as water beings can be likened to agents of Cthulhu. A few other BOC songs (not from *Imaginos*) have, either by title or lyric, a similar sort of feel to them: Harvester of Eyes, Flaming Telepaths, Stairway to the Stars, Workshop of the Telescopes ("by those who see with their eyes closed, they'll know me by my black telescope", "the power that was undine" - see discussion later on the term, "undine"), ME-262 ("watch me in mirrors", and "Captain Von Ondine" - see discussion later on the term, "undine"). ---------------- End of Section 4 out of 7 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 1 15:04:52 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 15:04:52 -0400 Subject: BOC FAQ: Part 5 of 7, Ver. 2.0 Message-ID: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ BOC FAQ -- Part 5 (Questions - Part 3, Other Info - Part 1) Version: 2.0 Date of Latest Revision: September 5, 1995 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ NOTE: The file for this FAQ has been split into 7 parts for portability among newreaders, mail servers, etc as it contains approximately 210 Kbytes of data. If you don't see and "End of Section" indication at the end of each section, you didn't get the whole thing. The FAQ will be available in its entirety for FTP access (see elsewhere in this FAQ for more information). See copyright and disclaimer at the end of Part 7 -- this FAQ may only be distributed in its entirety, including the copyright and disclaimer. Thanks for your cooperation, John ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Where is the BOC symbol on the _____ album? ------------------------------------------- The symbol of Kronos (Saturn) appears on every BOC album. According to Albert Bouchard, the symbol was used by Bill Gawlik in his "City of the Future" project (his Masters thesis in architecture at Stony Brook University). Sandy Pearlman liked the symbol, and hired Bill Gawlik to do the covers for BOC's first two albums. Sandy had Bill put the symbol on the covers, and it became the band's logo. The symbol is also very similar to the ancient Greek symbol for "chaos". While it is visible on most albums, it can be hard to spot on a few (most notably "Spectres" and "Cultosaurus Erectus"). The following lists the location of the BOC symbol on each album: *Blue Oyster Cult* -- Album center, on the horizon. *Tyranny And Mutation* -- Album center, over the tower. *Secret Treaties* -- On the tailfin of the plane (which is an ME 262). *On Your Feet Or On Your Knees* -- On the flag on the limo. *Agents Of Fortune* -- On one of the stones in the doorway. *Spectres* -- In the crystal ball on the floor in the lower left corner (Note: This is difficult to see on the cassette, and the CD cover is cropped so that only part of the crystal ball can be seen.) *Some Enchanted Evening* -- On the horse's bridle. *Mirrors* -- Bottom center of album. *Cultosaurus Erectus* -- Slightly tilted, on the side of the spaceship. (Note: Unless you have the LP cover, you probably can't see this. Perhaps it is visible with a magnifying glass on the CD, but on the cassette, even the spaceship itself can barely be made out. The symbol is easily visible on the LP, though. Also, the symbol was not included on the spaceship on some European releases of this album.) *Fire Of Unknown Origin* -- On the robe of the cultist in front. *Extraterrestrial Live* -- On the robe of the cultist, side of the spaceship, and on the band's equipment cases. *The Revolution By Night* -- Lower right-hand corner, on the side of the highway. *Club Ninja* -- The space station is in the shape of the symbol. *Imaginos* -- Next to the word "cult", below the album title. *Career of Evil: The Metal Years* -- Album center, in flames. *On Flame With Rock And Roll* -- Album center, in flames. *Cult Classic* -- Album center, outlined by the windows, the railings, and the snake. As an aside, the curved part of the symbol represents a sickle -- Greek mythology tells us that the god Kronos, was given the sickle by his mother to kill his father, the god Ouranos. Kronos sliced off his father's genitals, and threw them into the sea, which later formed the goddess Aphrodite. Kronos later became the father of the Greek gods Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Hera, Demeter, and Hestia. Also, Saturn and Lead were congruent in alchemy, so the symbol for Saturn (the Roman name for Kronos) is also the symbol for lead, which is a "heavy metal". Just to throw a few other pieces out on the table, from Chetwynd's Dictionary of Symbols: Lead, personified as Saturn: depression or unconscious content, which once raised into the light of the conscious, rational mind, becomes gold Saturn or Kronos The lowest and darkest stage of any process of transformation. The terrifying aspect of losing your youth. But at the same time this nadir of life, this mood of darkest depression, liberates what is essential from the dross and affords the chance of transformation. [...] Kronos castrates his father: He severs the point of contact between male and female in his fierce struggle to be born, to achieve individuality. [...] ... Saturn becomes the focal point of opposites, each changing into the other in the course of life.... Alchemy (Summary of tables) The Descent into the Black Yellow, leaving the sun of ordinary consciousness behind Blue, for the sky empty of sun or ego Green, for dissolution in the sea. Sinking within. The Fourfold Sequence of Alchemical Work The Black: Lead, Earth, Death of the ordinary conscious outlook The White: Quicksilver, Air, Disintegration of the corpse The Red: Sulfur, Fire, Relating conscious with unconscious parts The Gold: Gold, Water, Germinates the seed of the new Self Editor's Note: The above is not meant to imply that BOC intended people to extract all of these meanings out of the fact that they used the symbol of Kronos. However, some of the implications do seem to fit nicely with many of their songs, and may spawn endless hours of discussion among BOC fans. Where can I get a complete set of BOC lyrics? --------------------------------------------- Bolle Gregmar has worked with the band to compile a complete "official" set of lyrics to all of the BOC songs. The lyric book is available to BOC fan club members. Bolle's address is listed elsewhere in this FAQ. The BOC-L archive site, , contains "unofficial" BOC lyric files. These files have come about from BOC-L members spending long hours trying to figure out the lyrics (not an easy task!). The site also has an "official" copy of the lyrics to the Brain Surgeons' albums, which were reproduced from the CD's liner notes, with permission from Albert Bouchard and Deborah Frost. Note: The band, their management, and/or their record labels hold the legal rights to BOC's song lyrics. The BOC fan club had previously received legal permission to re-produce a limited number of copies of them in the lyric book. All other sources of lyrics, unless they come directly from the band, their management, or their record labels should be considered "unofficial". You used to be able to send 50 cents to an address (believed to by Sandy Pearlman's) printed on the back of BOC albums and get a complete set of BOC lyrics. It was a bargain, despite several errors. However, they are no longer available this way. So, if you just bought your first copy of *Some Enchanted Evening*, and were hoping to get lyrics, save your 50 cents. The lyrics for all of the songs on *Extraterrestrial Live*, with the exception of "Roadhouse Blues", are listed in the liner notes. These too, have several errors. Lyrics to the songs on *Flat Out* are printed on the inner sleeve of the LP. The lyrics for all of the songs by the Brain Surgeons are listed in the CD liner notes. What is a (Diz-Buster, ME-262, Stun Guitar, . . .)? --------------------------------------------------- Former BOC drummer Albert Bouchard has stated that the "diz" refers to the cleft of the penis. Bolle Gregmar further tells us that "duster's dust" (from the song, "Seven Screaming Diz-Busters") refers to sperm. Therefore, a "Diz-Buster" refers to someone (or something) which causes one to ejaculate. Well, you wanted to know . . . The ME-262 (referred to by the BOC song of the same name) was the world's first operational tubojet-powered fighter plane (as the song says, "ME-262 Prince of turbojets"), first entering operational service for Adolph Hitler and Nazi Germany on July 10th, 1944 (at Juvincourt, France). "ME" is short for Messerschmitt, the German aircraft builder Willy Messerschmitt (as the song says, "Willy's done quite a job"). Unfortunately for Nazi Germany, while the plane as a fighter proved to be superior to any of the Allied planes of its day, the plane did not end up to be a major factor in World War II. The main reasons for this are that it entered too late into the war (only about 10 months before the end of the hostilities in Europe), and there was not a good plan for the deployment of the ME-262 (they were used mostly as bombers, where their true tactical superiority were as fighters due to their speed advantage). Technical Data (as reported in "Jane's History of Aviation"): Engines - two 8.825 kN (1,984 lb st) Junkers Jumo 109-004B- 1 or 004-4 turbojets (as the song says, "Junkers Jumo 004"). Wing Span - 12.5 m (41 ft). Length - 10.61 m (34 ft, 10 in). Max Take-Off weight - 7,045 kg (15,531 lb). Take-Off run with two auxiliary rockets - 600 m (1,969 ft). Max level speed - 868 km/h (539 mph) at 7,000 m (22,975 ft). Range - 1,050 km (652 miles). Eric Bloom is listed on the first 4 BOC albums as playing "stun guitar". There has been much discussion on BOC-L as to exactly what a stun guitar is. Some have heard that it refers to a guitar that was wired for a constant "fuzztone" sound. Other people have suggested that it may be an inside joke with the band, referring to either Eric wanting his guitar turned up loud (according to Albert Bouchard, there used to be some arguments among the band members about how loud Eric's guitar should be during BOC's concerts), or possibly that he did not play much guitar on the albums (again, according to Albert Bouchard, Eric did play some guitar on most of the albums, although Buck did most of the guitar work). Others have jokingly said it refers to Eric's guitar-playing skills (Editor's note: Eric may not be Buck Dharma when it comes to playing guitar, but Eric can play. However, he was originally brought into the band as a singer, not as a guitar player). According to Albert Bouchard, the true meaning of "stun guitar" is as follows: "He played fuzz parts on 'She's As Beautiful As A Foot' and other songs on the first BOC album. They were all pretty easy so we decided to make it more mysterious by calling it Stun instead of Fuzz." According to Bolle Gregmar, however, a more accurate description of the parts that Eric played would be that they were "muted" (i.e. muting the guitar strings with the hand), and cites underlying guitar parts on "Stairway To The Stars" and "O.D.'d On Life Itself" as some of the better examples of Eric's stun guitar work. According to Albert Bouchard, there is a somewhat interesting story regarding Eric Bloom playing guitar with the band. After the band's first performance with Bloom as lead vocalist (at the Fillmore East in New York City), it was decided that he should have a guitar. For their next performance (at The Electric Circus in New York City), Bloom had a guitar, however it was not plugged in at the time. Elektra executives were at the performance, and later remarked that they felt that Bloom's rhythm guitar added greatly to the band's sound. The insert enclosed with the radio promo copies of BOC's first LP provides some insight into the term, "Bungo Pony": "I'm on the Lamb But I Ain't No Sheep" is a colorful tale set in New York during the late fifties. The location is Columbia University where the apathy setting in on campus results in a dreadful scandal. The diseases picked up from animals caught cruising the dormitories are still showing scars. "Salamander Drake" (as mentioned in the song, "Workshop Of The Telescopes") may refer to a fire-breathing dragon: salamander - a mythical animal having the power to endure fire without harm, an elemental being in theory of Paracelsus inhabiting fire; drake - dragon. Note: There may be more to this, as the BOC lyric book capitalizes the words "Salamander" and "Drake", implying perhaps a proper name rather than a thing. Perhaps "Drake" actually refers to Sir Francis Drake, who, under approval of England's Elizabeth I, raided Spanish ships bringing gold from Mexico (this ties in with some of the concepts of *Imaginos* -- European conflict originating from the New World). "Undine" (also mentioned in the song, "Workshop Of The Telescopes") is, according to the Swiss-born alchemist and physician Paracelsus, a water- spirit that can obtain a human soul by bearing a child to a human husband. This may also refer to "Captain Von Ondine" in the song, "ME- 262" (perhaps Captain Von Ondine is the child born of a water spirit - this also appears to tie in with some of the concepts of *Imaginos*). Conry's bar (mentioned in "Before The Kiss (A Redcap)") is a real place, and BOC has played there. According to Al Bouchard, there were two, Conry's East and Conry's West, both on Hempstead Turnpike. BOC was the house band at Conry's West for several months in 1969-70. They played Conry's East on New Year's Eve 70/71 (playing an Auld Lang Syne / In A Gadda Davida medley at midnight). Alas, the two bars have both been gone for over 20 years now. "Redcap" (mentioned in "Before The Kiss (A Redcap)") refers to a barbiturate. According to Buck Dharma, Sandy Pearlman witnessed a woman and a man exchange the pill through a kiss when the band was playing at Conry's bar. The line "their tongues extend, and then retract" refers to the act of exchanging the pill through their kiss. Who is (Suzy, Celine, Debbie Denise, Sir Rastus Bear, . . .)? ------------------------------------------------------------- "Suzy" is referred to in at least 4 BOC songs ("Before The Kiss, A Redcap", "Dominance and Submission", "Astronomy", and "The Marshall Plan"). Suzy originally referred to one of Sandy Pearlman's many girlfriends, but later just came to refer to "some mean bitch" (poor Sandy). "Celine" (as referred to in the song, "Searchin' for Celine") is Louis Ferdinand Celine, a French writer from around the turn of the century. As such, "Searchin" was originally written as searching for a "he" instead of a "she". The following is from the America On-line Encyclopedia on CIS: Celine, Louis Ferdinand {say-leen'} Louis Celine, originally named Louis Ferdinand Destouches, b. May 27, 1894, d. July 1, 1961, was a French writer and doctor whose novels Journey to the End of the Night (1932; Eng. trans., 1943) and Death on the Installment Plan (1936; Eng. trans., 1938) are innovative, chaotic, and antiheroic visions of human suffering. Pessimism pervades Celine's fiction as his characters sense failure, anxiety, nihilism, and inertia. Celine was unable to communicate with others, and during his life sank more deeply into a hate-filled world of madness and rage. A progressive disintegration of personality is visible in the stylistic incoherence of Guignol's Band (1944; Eng. trans., 1954), Castle to Castle (1957; Eng. trans., 1968), and North (1960; Eng. trans., 1972). His novels are verbal frescoes peopled with horrendous giants, paraplegics, and gnomes, and are filled with scenes of dismemberment and murder. Accused of collaboration, Celine fled (1944) France to live in Germany at Sigmaringen and then moved (1945) to Denmark. Condemned by default (1950) in France to one year of imprisonment and declared a national disgrace, Celine returned to France after his pardon in 1951. "Debbie Denise" (referred to in the song of the same name) was originally one of Patti Smith's poetic flirtations with lesbianism -- the words were about a woman as told by a woman (the line "I was out rolling with my band" originally read "I was out rolling with my man"). Was there a Debbie Denise? It doesn't appear that there was. However, somewhere in the mid to late 70's, two young, blond, attractive twins named "Debbie" and "Denise" turned up in L.A., and apparently became well acquainted with members of the band's touring personnel. According to Bolle Gregmar, "Sir Rastus Bear" (as referred to in the song, "Redeemed") was the dog of Henry Farcas (who wrote the lyrics to the song). Where can I get BOC live recordings? ------------------------------------ Editor's Disclaimer: With the exception of *Live 1976* (which I have seen sold in major U.S. record stores), I can not advise as to the availability or legality of the "Import Live Recordings" previously listed in this FAQ. As far as "live recordings" go, one must distinguish between a "live tape" and "bootleg" (often referred to as "Import", "Live Recording" or "Euro-CD"). A "live tape" is a tape of a live performance - perhaps obtained by taping a radio broadcast, or a live show. Sometimes the tape may come from the soundboard of the band's sound engineers. These live tapes are usually traded amongst fans, or kept as personal copies, and are not distributed on a for-profit basis. "Bootlegs", on the other hand, are mass-produced copies of a band's material (usually a live concert, but sometimes studio outtakes) which are sold for profit by individuals or organizations most likely not even closely related or affiliated with the said artist. Different people in the music world have different opinions of live recordings. Some argue that they hurt album sales, and take money away from the artist. Others argue that fans interested in live recordings (which are usually of lower quality than official releases) most likely already have bought most of the artist's official releases anyway, and in fact these recordings may even help to promote the artist. At any rate, a "live tape" is not illegal, as long as it is not sold for profit. A "bootleg", on the other hand, may be illegal, depending on what country you live in. There has been a fair number of BOC shows that have been taped over the years, in one way or another. Many BOC fans have tapes of various shows, and the best way to obtain them is by trading with other BOC fans. To find other BOC fans to trade with, you could consult the BOC discussion group or the BOC Fan Club (see elsewhere in this FAQ for information) or appropriate internet newsgroups, check out the ads in magazines such as Goldmine or Discoveries (see below for more information), or meet some new friends at the next BOC concert. There are some dealers which may carry "Imports", "Live Recordings", and "Euro-CD's", although most of these are either small record stores, or mail-order dealers. Sometimes dealers can be found at flea-markets and record shows. Mail-order dealers can be tricky to deal with as some have been known to be unscrupulous, fly-by-night operations that have inconsistent records of service and have no qualms about lying to customers or otherwise ripping them off. In addition, these recordings can often take months to arrive, so you want to be careful about how you are paying for your purchases. People who have dealt with mail-order dealers recommend that you never make a large initial order from a dealer that you have never dealt with before. People with internet access might want to ask people on appropriate newsgroups for information on the reliability of a particular dealer. Another way to find people selling or trading live recordings, videos, and other collectibles is to look in Goldmine or Discoveries, two magazines for record and CD collectors. These magazines run numerous ads from individuals and dealers looking to buy, sell, or trade records, CDs, tapes, and other memorabilia. Goldmine, which is published bi-weekly is the more extensive (and expensive) of the two. Discoveries is published monthly. Some of the BOC items that have been advertised recently include vinyl singles, *Flat Out* on CD, and a Quadrophonic pressing of *Secret Treaties*. If you can't find these magazines in your local bookstore or newsstand, here is some subscription information (Editor's Note: I have no affiliation with either Goldmine or Discoveries): GOLDMINE Special Services Subscription Department 700 E. State St. Iola, WI 54990-0001 U.S.A. Master Card & Visa orders: (800) 258-0929 DISCOVERIES Antique Trader Publications, Inc. 100 Bryant St. Dubuque, Iowa 52003 Master Card & Visa orders: (800) 334-7165 Where can I find Rossignol's book, 'The Origins of a World War'? ---------------------------------------------------------------- You can't. The book mentioned in the liner notes of the *Secret Treaties* album does not exist. As an interesting aside, however, the following listing appears in the Library of Congress catalogue: Hubert, Joseph, 1874- Rossignol: le combat du 22 aout 1914.--Le martyre de habitants.--Les annees d'occupation.--A la memoire des fursilles. --Annexes ... [translation by Andy Gilham: Rossignol - the battle of the 22nd August, 1914 - the martyrdom of the people - the years of occupation - to the memory of the (riflemen? if it's a typo for "fusiliers") -- appendices...] Tamines, Imprimerie Duculot-roulin [1938] 212 p., 1 l. incl. front., illus. (incl. ports., plan) maps (1 fold.) 20 cm. [pub.Tamines, Duculot-roulin Printers, etc, etc] LC CALL NUMBER: D542.R6 H8 1938 SUBJECTS: European war, 1914-1918--Campaigns--Belgium. European war, 1914-1918--Atrocities. Rossignol, Belgium. ADDED ENTRIES: Neujean, Joseph, 1880-1931, joint author. Les drames de l'invasion allemande dans le Luxembourg belge. [The tragedy of the German invasion of Belgian Luxembourg.] GEOG. AREA CODE: e-be--- LCCN: 40-10573 Rossignol, as referred to by this entry, is actually the name of a place - there does in fact exist a small town called Rossignol, in the Belgian province of Luxembourg (not to be confused with the country of the same name). What do the Japanese words in "Godzilla" mean? ---------------------------------------------- The romanised Japanese is: Rinji news o moshiagemasu! Rinji news o moshiagemasu! Gojira ga Ginza hoomen e mukatte imasu! Daishkyu hinan shite kudasai! Daishkyu hinan shite kudasai! The translation is: Attention, emergency news! Attention, emergency news! Godzilla is going toward the Ginza area! Immediately escape/catch up/find shelter please! Immediately escape/catch up/find shelter please! Are there other BOC songs, and how can I hear them? --------------------------------------------------- BOC made a recording under the name, "Soft White Underbelly", when the band was still known by that name. Les Braunstein was the lead vocalist at that time. The track list from the sessions: Rationale Passionale Fantassy Morass Mothra Jay Jay Queen's Boulevard (note: Suzy's first appearance) Buddha's Knee Bark In The Sun After "Soft White Underbelly", the band's name was (briefly) changed to "Oaxaca" (named after a city/state in Mexico), and they recorded another EP in 1970 for Elektra Records. The line-up was Prins Omega (Albert Bouchard), Buck Dharma (Donald Roeser), Jessie Python (Eric Bloom), La Vern (Allen Lanier), and Andy Winters (Andrew Winters). Sandy Pearlman supposedly came up with the nicknames for all the band members, however only Donald Roeser continued later to use his nickname "Buck Dharma". Before the album was almost (but never) released, the band's name was changed to "Stalk-Forrest Group". The EP, entitled "St. Cecilia" (a press kit from the *Mirrors* album lists this album title as "The California Album", which, like *Mirrors* was recorded in California), had the following tracks (note: in addition to the seven songs listed, BOC recorded a short version of "I'm On The Lamb" and "Sir Rastus Bear", which later became "Redeemed"): Bonomo's Turkish Taffy (A. Bouchard, R. Meltzer) Arthur Comics (A. Bouchard, R. Meltzer) Curse Of The Hidden Mirrors (A. Bouchard, R. Meltzer) Gil Blanco County (A. Lanier, S. Pearlman) What Is Quicksand? (A. Lanier, R. Meltzer) Ragamuffin Dumplin' (A. Bouchard, R. Meltzer) St. Cecilia (A. Bouchard, A. Winters, S. Pearlman) While the "Stalk-Forrest Group" album was never released, a small number (probably about 200, according to Richard Meltzer) copies of "What Is Quicksand?" and "Arthur Comics" may have been pressed as a single. In addition, "Arthur Comics" was part of the set played on 9/8/80 at the Old Waldorf Theatre in San Francisco, California as part of a radio broadcast. Note: In a 1994 edition of ICE magazine (which gives information on upcoming CD releases), it was suggested that the Stalk-Forrest Group material may eventually be released on CD. BOC performed the song, "Wings of Mercury", live on occasion during the 1985/1986 timeframe. The song appears on the *Into The Crypts Of Rays* recording, as well as some live tapes from that time period. This song, as previously mentioned, was actually written by K. Percoda of Dream Syndicate. While Dream Syndicate didn't want to use it, Sandy Pearlman, who was producing one of their albums at the time, liked it, so BOC performed the song live. However, the band decided it was not right for the *Club Ninja* album. In 1988, Buck Dharma, Jon Rogers, and Ron Riddle formed another band, "The Red and The Black" (also known as RonDonJon, or Roeser, Riddle, and Rogers), as a side-project to BOC. They played a number of gigs around NY in 1990 and maybe a little into '91. The music has been described as "heavy pop caught with one hand in the progressive cookie jar", having more in common with the harder parts of *Flat Out* than with BOC. The lead vocals were shared by the three of them, except that Buck sang all of the BOC tunes (interesting to hear Buck sing "Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll"). A demo of the band was reviewed in "Morning Final" (BOC Fan Club Newsletter). A (not high quality) live tape of one of the band's performances (Studio One, Newark, N.J.). contains the following songs: What About Love? Savage Garden Harvest Moon I Can't Get Next To You Andrea Buck's Boogie Speed Of Light River Of Dreams Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll These Are The People In Love In America Caroline Redline The Red And The Black Expressway To Your Heart (cover tune) (Don't Fear) The Reaper Perfect Water Godzilla Also around 1991, Joe Bouchard toured with a number of musicians (including current Brain Surgeons' guitarist Billy Hilfiger) under the name "Cult Brothers". While they performed mostly BOC tunes, they also did a few originals. Joe sang lead vocals for most, if not all of the songs. A (not high quality) live tape of one of the band's performances (Syria Musque, Pittsburgh, PA) contains the following songs: The Red And The Black R. U. Ready 2 Rock Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll Burnin' For You Wild One On Fire With Love Astronomy Godzilla (Don't Fear) The Reaper BOC has performed the following songs over the past few years: "Still Burnin'", "Harvest Moon", "The Power Underneath Despair", "In The Cold Grey Light Of Dawn", and most recently, "I'd Like To See You In Black". These songs, according to Eric Bloom, will be on the next BOC studio album. The band also has played the two songs from the *Bad Channels* soundtrack, "Demon's Kiss", and "The Horsemen Arrive" live. It is not known if these two songs will be on the upcoming studio album. While the *Bad Channels* soundtrack is available on CD, the other songs can only be heard on live tapes. In addition to the songs previously mentioned, there are a number of BOC or BOC-related songs which consist of home demos and session material. Some of the demo material was mere pieces of songs, some were 4-track recordings (usually bass, guitar, drums, and vocals), and others were nearly complete songs. There are also a number of tracks that were completely worked up by the band during the sessions, but eventually left off of the album. A few of these rare songs may appear on a live tape as a few of the songs were done by the band live a few times, but otherwise, the vast majority of these songs and snippets will never be heard by most BOC fans. Unless you personally know one of the members of the band, the only way one might hear some of this material is by making a pilgrimage to "The Museum of Cult". Bolle Gregmar, head of the BOC fan club, has copies of most of BOC's unreleased material. He may play some of it for you if you visit the museum (a.k.a. his apartment), but he is under agreement with the band not to duplicate any of the demo material (Editor's Note: He sticks to that agreement, so don't even bother asking for copies). Small descriptions of many of these tracks and demos can be found in issues of the BOC fan club's newsletter, "Morning Final". Will the original line-up ever get back together again? ------------------------------------------------------- Short Answer: No Longer Answer: While many BOC fans (especially those that saw the original line-up together) would like to see this happen, it is just not likely. By "original line-up", we mean of course, Eric Bloom, Buck Dharma, Allen Lanier, Joe Bouchard, and Albert Bouchard. It has now been over 10 years since that line-up performed live together, and while *Imaginos* was credited to the entire band, it was not really a "band effort" (this was discussed previously in the FAQ). The current line-up of BOC are happy with their current situation, and both Bouchard brothers are pursuing their own individual projects. 5. A Harvest of Life, A Harvest of Death -- Other Items of Interest Use of Umlauts, and the Origin of the Name, "Blue Oyster Cult" -------------------------------------------------------------- In the August 16, 1991 issue of Entertainment Weekly, on page 62, there's a story on band names that have umlauts in them. (Umlauts, we learn, are the two little dots over a letter, in particular over the "O" in Blue Oyster Cult.) The story credits Richard Meltzer with the "fad" of using umlauts in names, and recounts the story of how BOC was named. >From the article: "Sometimes genius strikes at the least-expected moment. In 1971, musician and songwriter Sandy Pearlman was trying to devise a new name for his band. Standing on a New York street corner with rock writer Richard Meltzer (who had been in an earlier incarnation of the group), Pearlman glanced into the window of a nearby restaurant and noticed that the menu included Blue Point oysters. "I said, 'Why don't we call it Blue Oyster Cult?'" he recalls. "And Richard said, 'And we'll add an umlaut over the o!' And I said, 'Great!'" There's another quote from Pearlman later in the story: "It was meant to bring all sorts of ambiguous implications to the name." Bolle Gregmar reports that the "dots" over letters are known as "diacritics", and that the word "umlaut" actually refers to the letter 'u' with a diacritic over it. An anagram for "Blue Oyster Cult" is "Cully Stout Beer". According to Bolle Gregmar, someone made a fake label for this "beer" using the BOC symbol, and the label appeared in some rock magazine (possibly "Circus"). ---------------- End of Section 5 out of 7 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 1 15:07:52 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 15:07:52 -0400 Subject: BOC FAQ: Part 6 of 7, Ver. 2.0 Message-ID: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ BOC FAQ -- Part 6 (Other Info - Part 2) Version: 2.0 Date of Latest Revision: September 5, 1995 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ NOTE: The file for this FAQ has been split into 7 parts for portability among newreaders, mail servers, etc as it contains approximately 210 Kbytes of data. If you don't see and "End of Section" indication at the end of each section, you didn't get the whole thing. The FAQ will be available in its entirety for FTP access (see elsewhere in this FAQ for more information). See copyright and disclaimer at the end of Part 7 -- this FAQ may only be distributed in its entirety, including the copyright and disclaimer. Thanks for your cooperation, John ------------------------------------------------------------------------ BOC in Concert -------------- As previously mentioned, BOC, starting in 1976, toured with a laser show. Due to controversies surrounding the band's use of lasers, they were removed from the shows a few years later. According to Bolle Gregmar, some of the controversy was actually politically motivated by members of the Carter administration (James Carter, better known as "Jimmy" Carter, was President of the US from 1977 - 1980), who had the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) citing hypothetical (and largely overblown) dangers of BOC's use of lasers. Some of BOC's use of lasers, including Eric's wrist-laser, can be seen on the *Live 1976* video. Albert had a drum solo during "Buck's Boogie" in the mid 70's. In the late 70's until he left the band, his drum solo was during "Godzilla". All subsequent BOC drummers had a drum solo during "Godzilla". For a few years in the early 80's (starting on the *Fire Of Unknown Origin* tour), BOC toured with a 20 foot high model of Godzilla. During the band's performance of the song with the same name, the beast's eyes would light up, his head turned from side to side, and smoke poured from his mouth. Now that BOC plays mostly smaller venues, the 20 foot high Godzilla (they also used a 40 foot high model for a few shows) tours no more. During Albert Bouchard's drum solo during "Godzilla", he wore a large Godzilla mask for part of the solo - he started doing this in 1978. After he left the band, Rick Downey continued this practice for a few shows. When Albert Bouchard was still in the band, part of BOC's concert performances consisted of 5-man guitar jams (one of Eric Bloom's ideas). During the early-mid 70's, the "Mark I" jam was performed as part of the song, "ME 262". The "Mark II" and "Mark III" jams, performed prior to "Born To Be Wild", usually started with a bass solo by Joe Bouchard (after Albert left, the band performed "Born To Be Wild" immediately after the bass solo). The "Mark II" jam, done after "This Ain't The Summer Of Love", was performed from 1976 until about 1979. The "Mark III" jam, performed in the early 80's, was based mostly on the song, "Golden Age Of Leather". When BOC performed "Born To Be Wild" (regularly up until about 1984), the song was high-lighted by Eric and Buck's "Texas Chainsaw guitar duel" (also one of Eric Bloom's ideas). This consisted of Buck and Eric placing the necks of their guitars together, raking the strings of one guitar over the strings of the other. This would be repeated several times, usually to the accompaniment of strobe-lights. Also, Eric would drive his motorcycle on-stage from backstage at the beginning of the song. Obviously, this practice had to stop when BOC played at clubs. Prior to the final portion of "Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll", Albert (later Eric) would shout "Rock And . . .", and the audience would respond with "Roll". This would start slowly, and build in up in speed until the line between "Rock" and "Roll" was gone. The band would kick back in, ending with Buck trilling high up on the neck of his guitar. He would then stop, spit (or pretend to) into his palms, crack his knuckles, and then individually crack the knuckles of the last 3 fingers on his left hand. He would then start the final instrumental segment of the song. While the band jammed, Eric would stand by the drums, and "help" the drummer hit a few cymbals with a few drumsticks of his own (during the *Club Ninja* tour, Eric, often clad in martial arts attire, used a nunchaku to strike the cymbals). At the end of a show, Buck would sometimes rip every string on his guitar, except the low E-string, and play the final chord (or, for Buck, note) of the song on the one remaining string. Eric used to play a guitar shaped like the BOC logo. According to Bolle Gregmar, he still owns one, but doesn't tour with it as the risk of having this rare item stolen is too high. BOC has, on occasion, performed some songs with different bandmembers switching roles. For example, at a show in Boston in 1985, Joe Bouchard sang the first verse of "Joan Crawford". Bolle Gregmar reports that they once started a show playing "Dr. Music" with Eric on drums, Albert on bass and Joe on guitar and lead vocal. In BOC's early days, they used to cover (among other songs) The Rolling Stones' "It's Not Easy". According to Eric Bloom, "The hook of the tune live was a triple drum solo with Albert, Donald, and I all playing drums at the same time." BOC was part of a rather significant event in the early history of the band, KISS. On 12/31/73, noted as their "industry live debut", KISS opened at the New York City Academy of Music for Teenage Lust, Iggy and The Stooges, and BOC. Interestingly, BOC apparently hauled a German oom-pah band from a neighboring restaurant (Luchow's) for part of their set. The most notable moment of the night, however, happened when bassist Gene Simmons, famous for (among other things) breathing fire during a KISS performance, accidentally set his hair on fire during the show. While not planned, the event no doubt helped to increase the mystique surrounding the make-up wearing rockers. Exactly two years later, on 12/31/75, it was BOC who opened for KISS in New York (at Nassau Coliseum). An interesting occurrence happened at a New Year's Eve show at the Academy of Music, NYC in 1974. During the encore Eric Bloom announced he was going to carry out his new year's resolution. He then proceeded to shave his beard off onstage with an electric razor. Perhaps "New Year's Eve was the final barrier" (a line from the song, "Dominance And Submission"). At a show in the fall of 1985 at The Channel in Boston, MA, Eric Bloom turned out to be somewhat of a prophet. At one point during the set, he asked the Boston crowd, "How 'bout the Red Sox and the Mets in the World Series next year?" (He also added, "I hate the Yankees, man, they suck." -- something every Boston fan loves to hear) As events would turn out, the Red Sox and the Mets played each other in the 1986 World Series. Unfortunately for Boston fans (but fortunately, no doubt, for Eric Bloom), the Mets beat the Red Sox in 7 games. The Movie "Heavy Metal" ----------------------- The song "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" (from *Fire Of Unknown Origin*) appears in the movie "Heavy Metal". Apparently, "Vengeance (The Pact)" was also written for the movie. The song lyrics are taken from the last story in the movie (with Taarna, the warrior woman who rides the giant bird). The apparent reason for the song not being used is that it told the 17-minute (in the movie) story in 5 minutes. Other songs from *Fire Of Unknown Origin* ("Sole Survivor", "Heavy Metal: The Black And Silver", and "Don't Turn Your Back") may also have been written for the movie, or inspired by it. According to the FAQ for the newsgroup, "rec.arts.sf.movies", the video for "Heavy Metal" has not been "officially released" due to legal problems. Apparently, there are a number of "unofficial" copies around -- check with science-fiction movie fans for how to find copies (editor's comment, people who read "rec.arts.sf.movies" may know where to get copies, and tape dealers who advertise in science fiction magazines or Goldmine might know where copies are available -- my disclaimer about BOC live recordings also applies to obtaining "unofficial" copies of videos as well). However, the soundtrack was finally officially released on CD in April of 1995. Other Releases of BOC Music --------------------------- There have been a number of BOC singles released. In addition, a few BOC songs (most notably, "(Don't Fear) The Reaper", "Godzilla", and "Burnin' For You") have appeared on compilation albums of various artists. Most of these songs, along with the "b-sides" of the singles, are as they appeared on the BOC album on which they were released. There are, however, some notable exceptions: "Buck's Boogie" -- As mentioned in the discography, the version of this song from the *Blue Oyster Cult - Live NY '72* import live recording can be found on a compilation album of various artists entitled, *The Guitars That Destroyed The World*, released in the early 70's. On this release, the song was erroneously credited to S. Pearlman, E. Bloom, and A. Bouchard. The song was in fact written by A. Bouchard and D. Roeser. "Godzilla" (from *Spectres*) -- A 12" single (Columbia 3-10725, 1977 promo) of this song was produced with the studio version on one side, and a live version (that is not the version found on either *Some Enchanted Evening* or *Extraterrestrial Live*) on the other side. "We Gotta Get Out Of This Place" (from *Some Enchanted Evening*) -- A "b-side" of this single contains a live version of "Stairway To The Stars" that was recorded at Commack New York on 6/8/75. "Born To Be Wild" -- A French CBS sampler entitled, *Hard Rock* contains the studio version of this song, which also appears on the *(Don't Fear) The Reaper* compilation tape. Also, a compilation album of various artists entitled, *Guitar Wars*, released in 1982, contains a live version of this song that was recorded at Poughkeepsie New York on 2/11/80. "Burnin' For You" (from *Fire Of Unknown Origin*) -- The "b-side" of a 12" single (U.K. Release) of this song contains live versions of "Dr. Music" (recorded at Nassau Coliseum, NY, 10/17/80) and "Flaming Telepaths" (recorded at Bonds International Casino, NY, 6/16/81) - neither of these live versions are found on other domestic BOC albums. However, this version of "Dr. Music" can be found on the *Black And Blue* video, and this version of "Flaming Telepaths" can be found on the *The Thing!* recording. "Shooting Shark" (from *The Revolution By Night*) -- A 12" single of this song was produced with an extended version on one side. "Astronomy" (from *Imaginos*) -- There are 4 versions of this song on a promo CD single, two long and two short versions of the song (the long version appears on *Imaginos*). Two of the versions (one long, one short) have a spoken intro by horror author Stephen King. The spoken intro is from the Imaginos liner notes: "Imaginos (performed by Blue Oyster Cult) - A bedtime story for the children of the damned. From a dream world, paralleling our earth in time and space, the invisible ones have sent an agent who will dream the dream of history. With limitless power he becomes the greatest actor of the 19th century. Taking on many ingenious disguises, he places himself at pivotal junctures in history, continually altering its course and testing our ability to respond to the challenge of evil. His name is 'Imaginos'". There's also a UK 12" single of "Astronomy" with the King mix on side two. Side one is a re- mixed dance-oriented "Astronomy (Wild Mix)" that has more of Albert's original vocal thrown in. "In The Presence Of Another World" (from *Imaginos*) -- There are 2 versions of this song on a promo CD single. The first version is the album version. The second version is an edited version which ends by fading out during the "Your master" coda section, without the added spoken vocals. "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" -- *Guitar* magazine put out a series of compilation albums called "Guitar's Practicing Musicians". These albums contain various jam sessions, re-worked songs, or musical experiments by various guitarists. This song appears on Volume I of the series (released in 1994). The liner notes for the song are as follows: Buck Dharma DON'T FEAR THE REAPER (Donald Roeser) SONY Music Inc. / BMI Buck Dharma: Guitars and Vocals Chuck Burgi: Drums Produced By Buck Dharma. Drums recorded by Bob Acquaviva at Acqrock Studios. All guitars and vocals recorded by Will Russell at Electric Wilburland. Mixed by Jeff Kawalek at Saul'Zattic. EQUIPMENT: Steinberger GM-7 guitars with LaBella Strings, Musicman Stingray Bass, Mesa Boogie Mark IV amp, Marshall 4X10 cab, Martin acoustic. I played a similar version of the "Reaper" live in a pop/rock trio called The Red and The Black that existed in 1990. John Stix suggested that I do that version for this disk, so I recorded Chuck Burgi's drums against a scratch electric guitar. We played a tempo map in Vision synced to a time code on tape. The last half of the tune was recorded first. Then the Martin acoustic and "unplugged" vocals of the first half were recorded. The background vocals were sung to a rough mix on a separate piece of tape, then mixed to stereo and sampled into my Ensoniq ASR-10, which was then sequenced to the master 16trk tape. "Gamera Is Missing" -- *Guitar* magazine put out a series of compilation albums called "Guitar's Practicing Musicians". These albums contain various jam sessions, re-worked songs, or musical experiments by various guitarists. This song appears on Volume III of the series (released in 1989). The liner notes for the song are as follows: GAMERA IS MISSING / Buck Dharma (3:21) Buck Dharma : All instruments except drums Ron Riddle : Drums Equipment: Steinberger GM5, recorded direct through Chandler Tube Driver and Groove Tubes Preamp. Composed by Buck Dharma (c) 1989 Triceratops Music Inc. (ASCAP) Produced & recorded by Buck Dharma at his home studio, on an Akat (sic) 1214 (note: probably an Akai). Mixed by Buck Dharma at Masterview Soundcrafts, with Peter Kirk Hopper engineer. All computer editing and post production by Buck Dharma. Buck Dharma, a master of melodic rock phrasing, has been at the lead guitar helm of Blue Oyster Cult throughout its whole 14 album career. His "Gamera Is Missing" shows off all the fire and finesse that defined the blues based players who grew up feeding on the influence of early Clapton, Hendrix and Beck. Other BOC Contributions -- Most of the following information was provided by Melne Murphy of the BOC Fan Club, which appeared in an article in the fan club's newsletter, "Morning Final". Additional information was provided by Bolle Gregmar and Albert Bouchard. Buck played lead guitar on three songs on the Kasim Sulton (former bassist for Utopia, and keyboardist for Meatloaf) album, *Kasim* in 1982. He also played lead guitar for the Blotto song (and video), "Metalhead" (released in the early 80's on the *Combo Akimbo* album). Buck can also be found on one of "The Source" radio show albums jamming with the Pat Travers Band to Cream's "Sunshine of Your Love" (in addition, Buck introduced Pat Travers at that show). Buck may also have been credited as playing on an album by Shakin' Street. Eric sang as a backing vocalist on Ian Hunter's 1979 album, *You're Never Alone With a Schizophrenic*. Eric was also briefly involved with Ritchie Cannata in the B.C. project -- they recorded a few demos, including "Eyes of Fire" with some of Cannata's musicians doing the session work. In 1985, both Eric (vocal) and Buck (guitar) appeared on the song "Stars" for the Hear 'n Aid project -- the project, organized by Ronnie James Dio, was a heavy-metal version of previous projects (most notably, the "We Are The World" and "Live Aid" projects) to raise money for world famine relief projects. Allen wrote several songs with Jim Carroll (who also co-wrote "Perfect Water" on *Club Ninja*). One of them, "Day and Night", appears on Carroll's first album, *Catholic Boy*. Another Lanier/Carroll collaboration, "Dance the Night Away" (originally intended for *Agents Of Fortune*, but was rejected), appears on Carroll's, *I Write Your Name*. Allen's contributions can also be found on most of Patti Smith's albums, and on John Cale's album, *Music For a New Society*. In addition, Allen was used often by Sandy Pearlman as a studio musician in the 70's, playing on albums by the Dictators, Shakin' Street, Pavlov's Dog, and The Clash -- not all of these appearances are credited. After leaving BOC, Joe Bouchard joined ex-Alice Cooper members Neal Smith and Dennis Dunaway (who worked with Buck Dharma on *Flat Out*) in the band, "Deadringer". Joe plays keyboards on the band's album, *Electrocution Of The Heart* (which contained a Buck Dharma tune entitled, "Summa Cum Laude" that was titled "Summa Cum Loud" on the album) on the Grudge record label. Joe has also produced albums for Helen Wheels, and the Long Island band Empyre. Albert Bouchard performed on Tom Paxon's 1968 album, *The Things I Notice Now*, and has produced albums, singles, or demos for David Roter, Heads Up, Helen Wheels, Maria Excommunikata, Kablamachunk, Women In Love, and Faith. Albert's song "Adopt Me" appeared on David Roter's 1986 *Bambo* album (along with versions of "Joan Crawford" and "Unknown Tongue"). Also on that album is a David Roter/Jack Rigg song called "Il Duce", which was recorded by BOC with Buck singing the lead vocal. For Roter's *Bambo* album, this recording was used, although Buck's lead vocal was replaced by Roter, and a keyboard part was added. Albert, along with Deborah Frost, produced The Brain Surgeons' albums. In addition, Albert plays a guitar part, and Joe Bouchard plays acoustic piano, on a cover of BOC's "Dominance And Submission", for Mike Watt's (former bass player for punk bands The Minutemen and fIREHOSE) first solo album -- note that although the song did not make it onto Watt's *Ball-Hog or Tug Boat* CD, a CD-5 is planned for release with this track. Albert also sings background vocals on Gumball's cover of BOC's "She's As Beautiful As A Foot" (which can be found on Gumball's *Revolution On Ice* album). The Brain Surgeons (Albert and Deborah, with Joe Bouchard as well) have a song on the Minutemen tribute album, *Our Band Could Be Your Life: A tribute to D. Boon and the Minutemen* -- the song, "Tour Spiel", is significant in that it was originally written by the Minutemen to pay tribute to BOC. Les Braunstein (original Soft White Underbelly vocalist) has an appearance on vinyl. Buck, Albert and John Trivers helped him record three songs in 1973. Les eventually unearthed the demo, added a violinist to the song, "Dead House", re-worked the vocals and changed the title to "Dark Angel", which was released as a single in 1979 on the Mega Toons label. Song References --------------- Altamont, which is referred to in the song, "Transmaniacon MC" (the "MC" standing for "motorcycle club"), refers to a festival in 1970 at Altamont (a racetrack in California). The festival was supposed to be another Woodstock. The Rolling Stones were the main act, and they controversially hired the Hells Angels as security. Apparently The Stones had used the British Hell's Angels as security in the past, and assumed that the California Hell's Angels would be the same. There was mayhem during the Stones' set, and the Angels stabbed one member of the audience to death (right in front of a camera), although the stabbed man was apparently holding a gun. Either during this incident, or right afterwards, The Stones played the song, "Sympathy For The Devil". The incident is documented in the concert movie, "Gimme Shelter". In typically overblown style, journalists have dubbed that show "the night rock-n-roll lost its innocence." The "Transmaniacon MC", according to Al Bouchard, are a mythical group that Sandy Pearlman invented called "the Los Maniacos Bus Boy Club" which was supposed to conjure up a picture of insane Mexican waiters that have a musical group. According to Buck Dharma, "(Then Came The) Last Days Of May" is the true story of three collegiate drug dealers who went to Tucson to score for the fall semester. They were ripped off and shot. While two of the guys died, the other survived to testify against the perpetrators, who were two young men from a notorious wealthy local family. They apparently served about ten years in prison before being released. According to Buck Dharma, "Harvester Of Eyes" is about former U.S. Supreme Court justice Abe Fortas. The following is from Compuserve's American Academic Encyclopedia: Abe Fortas, b. Memphis, Tenn., June 19, 1910, d. Apr. 5, 1982, was a prominent Washington, D. C., attorney and presidential advisor when President Lyndon B. Johnson appointed him to the U.S. Supreme Court in 1965. Johnson's subsequent nomination of Fortas as chief justice was blocked by Senate foes of his activist stand on civil liberties, and the nomination was caught up in a clash between the executive and legislative branches. In 1969, following charges of questionable ethics and conflict of interest, Fortas resigned from the Court. His arguments in GIDEON V. WAINWRIGHT (1962) established the right of the poor to legal counsel. What's all that got to do with "Harvester Of Eyes"? Not much. However, it was Fortas' senate nomination hearings which inspired Richard Meltzer to write the song's lyrics. When Fortas' avoidance of service in World War II was questioned, he responded that he had ocular tuberculosis -- which inspired the lyric, "I'm the eye-man of TV, with my ocular TB". The BOC Fanclub newsletter "Morning Final" (issue #12), provides insight into the meaning of several songs on *Secret Treaties*. "Harvester of Eyes" and "ME-262" have already been mentioned. The song, "Dominance And Submission" is the true story of an automobile ride taken with Suzy and her brother ("Charles the grinning boy"), in which some unexpected sexual actions were suggested. "Morning Final #12" does not say who was put "in the backseat" and taken "for a ride". "Flaming Telepaths" refers to experimental drug use. "Astronomy" refers to Suzy, who at the time was very experimental and sexually aware. The song has its roots in a lesbian encounter, and the reaction to it. The line, "when prophecy fails, the falling notion" in the song, "E.T.I." may have been inspired by the book, "When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group that Predicted the Destruction of the World", by Leon Festinger, Henry W. Riecken and Stanley Schacter (a classic psychology text). The line "three men in black said, 'Don't report this . . .", also in "E.T.I." may have been inspired by the "The Men In Black Report" by Kurt Glemser (Galaxy Press). The book discusses UFO sightings and Men in Black (usually 3), that would visit UFO witnesses, warning them not to divulge what they had seen. Finally, the name "Balthazar", mentioned in "E.T.I." is the name of one of the three kings/wise-men/astrologers in the Bible who visited Jesus Christ soon after his birth -- the other two were named Melchor and Kaspar. Perhaps "E.T.I." is suggesting that Jesus Christ was brought to earth, or at least visited by, aliens. There is a real book entitled, *The King in Yellow* (referred to in the song, "Extra Terrestrial Intelligence"), written by Robert W. Chambers, published in 1895. The book is believed to be out of print, with its last known publication being a 1965 Ace Science Fiction Classics edition. It is a collection of short stories, several of which mention an imaginary book (play) entitled "The King in Yellow". Like various tomes mentioned in Lovecraft, this (non-existent) play has detrimental effects on the sanity of readers. From *The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction* (by John Clute and Peter Nicholls): "The eponymous "King in Yellow" is not a person, but a verse play in book form, which... drives its readers to despair, madness and even suicide. Of the four *King in Yellow* tales in the book, 'The Repairer of Reputations' is of particular interest, being set in 1920, after a war, in a USA that has legalized suicide." The book, *The King in Yellow* also contains a story entitled, "The Street of The Four Winds". It is not clear whether or not this inspired the reference to the four winds bar in the song, "Astronomy". However, the song does not appear connected with the story in any other way. The line "24th of May" in the song, "The Revenge Of Vera Gemini" refers to Albert Bouchard's birthday. Coincidentally, that day is also the birthday of England's Queen Victoria, which is referred to in the Rush song, "Lakeside Park" -- "Everyone would gather on the twenty fourth of May, Sitting in the sand to watch the fireworks display". The initials "R.U.R." from the song, "R. U. Ready 2 Rock" were a tribute to the K. Capek play, "Rossum's Universal Robots". This play is cited as having the first appearance of the term "robot" in science fiction literature. It is a popular misconception that the song, "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" is about suicide. The line "Romeo and Juliet are together in eternity" refers to William Shakespeare's characters Romeo and Juliet, who were young lovers that had each committed suicide. The song tells a woman not to fear death (in the first 2 verses), and then tells that she does die with no fear (in the 3rd verse). Opinions as to the true meaning of this song are mixed -- some believe that it merely advocates not to fear the coming of death as it is part of the cycles of nature ("Seasons don't fear the reaper, nor do the wind and the sun and the rain"), while others (including anti-rock zealots) claim that BOC is advocating suicide (Editor's Comment: Yeah, and in "Godzilla" BOC is advocating that a big radioactive dinosaur stomp all over Tokyo too.). Albert Bouchard says that he heard Buck say many times that the song was not about suicide, but merely about not fearing death. Finally, Bolle Gregmar says that Buck actually wrote the lyrics to "The Reaper" during a time when he thought he was dying, and the lyrics were Buck's way of saying that we should waste our time worrying about dying because it is inevitable. The song, "Godzilla" refers to the Americanized name of the Japanese movie monster, "Gojira". Gojira (the name is a portmanteau from "gorilla" and "Kujira" (whale)) is a dinosaur which was released from millions of years of hibernation by atomic testing in the Pacific Ocean. The beast became mutated by the radiation, to the point where he is now radioactive (able to project this radioactivity via his breath). The original Godzilla movie was released in Japan in 1954, less than a decade after the dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan. While Godzilla was originally an evil being, he became somewhat of a folk hero in Japan, starring in over 15 movies, becoming a friend to humanity after about the 4th one (in more recent movies, since about 1984, Godzilla has gone back to being more of a "bad guy"). According to Bolle Gregmar, Toho, the filmaker of the Godzilla movies (to whom BOC had to pay royalties to use the name on the song) will soon be releasing their final Godzilla movie. The song, "Golden Age Of Leather" refers to a futuristic vision when motorcycles are a thing of the past, with a biker gang getting together for "one last night together", as the lyric says. Fortunately for bikers, this vision has not come to fulfillment. Several BOC songs refer to vampires. "Nosferatu" is a re-working of Bram Stoker's "Dracula". In the original silent version of Nosferatu, the captain's log can be seen to include the lines "Rats in the hold. My crew is dead. I fear the plague" - these lines are used in the song. Other BOC songs which refer to vampires include "Screams", "Wings Wetted Down", "Morning Final", "Moon Crazy", and "Light Years Of Love". Looks like Joe Bouchard was really into vampires . . . Buck also wrote a song, "I Love The Night", which appears to tell the tale of a man's meeting with a female vampire. "The Great Sun Jester", co-authored by Michael Moorcock, is mentioned in two of his novels: "The Fireclown" (a line from the song), and "The Transformation of Miss Mavis Ming" (this latter has recently been included in a collection of Moorcock's stories under the title "Constant Fire" - the collection itself is called "Behold the Man and other stories"). Perhaps coincidental, but in "The Transformation of Miss Mavis Ming" (titled "Messiah at the End of Time" in the U.S.), the character who appears claiming to be the Fire Clown states one of his many names as Emmanuel Bloom (E. Bloom - co-author of "The Great Sun Jester"?). Another song co-authored by Michael Moorcock, "Black Blade" refers to Elric the albino king, featured prominently in several Moorcock stories (e.g. "Elric of Melnibone Theta", "Stormbringer"). The title of the song, "Veteran Of The Psychic Wars" (also co-authored by Moorcock) was probably inspired by Moorcock's "The Dragon in the Sword" -- "We are the lost, we are the last, we are the unkind. We are the Warriors at the Edge of Time. We are the cold, the halt, the deaf, the blind. Fate's frozen forces, veterans of the psychic wars..." (from "The Dragon in the Sword", p.68.) The line "Jim says some destinies should not be delivered", in the song "In Thee" refers to Jim Carroll. As previously mentioned, Jim Carroll and Allen Lanier collaborated on several songs, including the song "Day And Night", which appeared on Carroll's *Catholic Boy* album. The song contains the line..."Some destinies, they should not be delivered" ---------------- End of Section 6 out of 7 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 1 15:10:51 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 15:10:51 -0400 Subject: BOC FAQ: Part 7 of 7, Ver. 2.0 Message-ID: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ BOC FAQ -- Part 7 (Other Info - Part 3, The Rest) Version: 2.0 Date of Latest Revision: September 5, 1995 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ NOTE: The file for this FAQ has been split into 7 parts for portability among newreaders, mail servers, etc as it contains approximately 210 Kbytes of data. If you don't see and "End of Section" indication at the end of each section, you didn't get the whole thing. The FAQ will be available in its entirety for FTP access (see elsewhere in this FAQ for more information). See copyright and disclaimer at the end of Part 7 -- this FAQ may only be distributed in its entirety, including the copyright and disclaimer. Thanks for your cooperation, John ------------------------------------------------------------------------ (Song References Continued) The song "Lips In The Hills" may refer to an incident in July of 1947 known as "The Roswell Incident". Supposedly, a UFO crashed in the hills in or near Roswell, New Mexico, although this was denied/covered- up by the U.S. Air Force (originally saying it was a weather balloon). Many people in the area at the time supposedly saw/heard strange things going on right before the crash. The USAF recently released a report on the incident, revealing that the "UFO" was part of a secret government program, known as Project Mogul, to spy on the Soviet Union's nuclear weapon development. High-altitude balloons were equipped with special sensors and radar reflectors to detect atomic testing, but the project was canceled, with the balloons being allowed to fall back to earth. It is likely that flying saucer enthusiasts will remain skeptical of the USAF's report. The lyrics to the song, "Heavy Metal: The Black And Silver" were inspired by the 1977 book, *The Iron Sun: Crossing The Universe Through Black Holes*, by Adrian Berry. Several of the lyrics to the first verse are derived from chapter titles of the book. The chapters to Part One (Through the Black Hole) are titled as follows: (1) Where Matter Vanishes, (2) The Spinning Gateway, (3) Into the Whirlpool, and (4) The Forbidden Circle. Part Two (The Iron Sun) begins with (1) The Arm of Orion. The song, "Joan Crawford" refers to the famous actress of the same name. The deceased Crawford's daughter, Christina, wrote a book, which later became a movie, entitled, "Mommie Dearest". The book/movie paints a rather unflattering picture of the actress as an abusive mother. The song refers to Joan coming back from the grave to haunt Christina. The song "Deadline" is rumored to be based on the true story of an old band member or acquaintance, who was murdered by the Mafia. The UK music paper "Sounds" made mention (probably in the late 60s) that the original singer with BOC was shot in the head in a gambling incident. While it is not sure who this may refer to, Les Braunstein reports he doesn't know anything about it. The song "Divine Wind" was written by BOC as an "Anti-Iran" song. During the time the song came out, Iran had been holding U.S. citizens hostage for many months. The lyric, "If he really thinks we're the devil, then let's send him to hell" refers to the Ayatollah Khomeni calling the U.S. "The Great Satan". When BOC performed this song in concert, roadie Joe Lauro, wearing an Ayatollah mask, played guitar on stage with the band. The line "27 faces, with their eyes turned to the sky" from "The Vigil" may refer to the VLA (Very Large Array), a set of 27 radio telescopes (there actually is a 28th, but it only gets used as a backup if one of the 27 fails). The site, located in New Mexico (near Socorro), was completed right about the time *Mirrors* was released. There are a few books with the words, "Stairway To The Stars" in the title. One is a book ("Stairway To The Stars: The Story of The World's Largest Observatory") about the Mauna Kea observatory on the Big Island of Hawaii. Another ("Stairway to the Stars: Achievement Program") was written by the Assembly of God as part of its ministry to women. Another ("Stairway to the Stars : Colorado's Argentine Central Railway") is about a railway in Colorado. The song, "Stairway To The Stars", however, does not appear to have inspired any of these, or have been inspired by them (especially since they were published after the song was on a BOC album). The song "The Marshall Plan" details the story of a teenager who loses his girlfriend at a rock concert to the band, and, inspired by the experience, becomes a rock star himself. While of the same name, the song is not otherwise related to the "Marshall Plan", which was a program of economic aid for the reconstruction of post WWII Europe. The song, "Your Loving Heart" on Buck Dharma's 1982 solo album tells the story of a person who is dying because he needs a new heart, and a "young woman" who loves him (presumably his wife) gets into a car accident (presumably suicide) and her heart is used to save him. Twelve years later, something strikingly similar happened in real life. The Associated Press reported of a real-life occurrence of such a scenario (August, 1994): ROYAL OAK, Mich. (AP) -- A 58 year old man who had been waiting four years for a heart transplant finally got one -- from his own daughter, who was killed in a car wreck. Chester Szuber received the heart Monday from his 22-year-old daughter, Patti, officials at William Beaumont Hospital said Thursday. She was killed in a traffic accident a week ago in Knoxville, Tenn. Editor's Note: I am not trying to in any way imply that Patti Szuber's car accident was a suicide References To BOC ----------------- There exists a science-fiction novel, entitled, *Transmaniacon* (published 1979 by Kensington Pub. Corp., ISBN: 0890834172), written by John Shirley (who is writing some lyrics for the band these days). The following description was provided by Ken Alexander to BOC-L: Description: this is a post-apocalypse science fiction novel, containing a huge amount of references from early Blue Oyster Cult albums. References include the Transmaniacon Motorcycle Club, Dominance and Submission, the BOC symbol, "not talking about the light up above, I'm talking about the hellfire down below", the light that never warms, Lucifer, Career of Evil, and many more. The story reads like a schlock SF post-holocaust movie. You can almost smell the bad special effects, complete with gratuitous gore. Our too-powerful (anti?)hero travels between cities in what is left of the USA, with an eventual goal of destroying the impenetrable barrier that now surrounds it. Strange cults, cities of dolphins, beasts of burden that are giant genetically- engineered human hands, a 700-year-old Luciferage Rofocale... Front cover: "Destined to become a major new voice in science fiction." -Robert Silverberg T R A N S - M A N I A C O N by John Shirley [guy standing in front of fiery orange desolate landscape] Copyright page: To The Blue Oyster Cult & Patti Smith & Leslie Fielder & Aleister Crowley & not necessarily in that "Order." (c)1979 First Printing: January 1979 Back Cover: Ben Rackey Foremost Professional Irritant, remarkable in acting both as burglar and inciter in the bizarre and pleasure-seeking world of the 22nd century is a fearless, ruthless man of ingenuity, completely overwhelmed with his own strength. His latest and most dangerous assignment is to steal The Exciter A dangerous and fragile device for the augmentation of the telepathic transfer of mania. By seeking out and amplifying strong, hostile human emotions, the exciter can turn a street brawl into a raging mob and a border skirmish into a full-scale war. As soon as Ben has possession of it he will have the power to destroy The Barrier Conceived as the perfect defense against nuclear, biological, and chemical warfare, it was activated in 1989 -- an invisible screen of densely flowing ions entirely enclosing the continental zone labeled "The United States." Once the barrier is demolished Ben can escape TRANS MANIACON The dangerous, grotesque, amoral world beyond the farthest reaches of chaos! John Shirley has also written the following: "A Splendid Chaos", "Cellars", In Darkness Waiting", "City Come a Walkin'", "Dracula In Love", "A Song Called Youth" (a trilogy including "Eclipse", "Eclipse Penumbra", and "Eclipse Corona"), "Wetbones" (most recent novel), "New Noir", and "Shock Rock" (which contains a short story entitled "Flaming Telepaths"). Some of these titles are no longer in print. A comic book entitled "The Sandman" (written by Neil Gaiman), contains a character called 'The Corinthian', which may possibly be based on the song, "Harvester Of Eyes". He is of medium build (well built), has white hair, and wears sunglasses to hide the fact that his eyes are actually small mouths which he uses to eat out people's eyes with ("right in front to the back of your skull"). Neil Gaiman has also written a novel, "Good Omens", which contains a BOC reference. The plot contains a freeway junction which has, through careful manipulation by a demon, been developed to act as a huge unholy rune which does something very bad when empowered. This seems to fit with lyrics in the song, "Shadow Of California". References to Blue Oyster Cult songs are sprinkled throughout the "Xenogenesis: Day of the Demons" storyline in Marvel's "The Defenders" comic. The issues are Vol.1, 58-60 dated April, May and June 1978. The story is by David Anthony Kraft and the first comic in the trilogy is "Dedicated to Eric Bloom and BOC!". The issues are entitled Agents of Fortune", "Tyranny and Mutation", and "The Revenge of Vera Gemini!". In the comics, a former Reaper of Souls, the Defenders (Valkyre, Nighthawk, Hellcat and the Hulk), and Dr. Strange fight to stop the cult of the Harvester of Eyes, an Agent of Fortune, and Vera Gemini from releasing demons upon the Earth. The Agent of Fortune steals an "omniscient amulet" called the "Eye of Agamotto" that can be used to breach the barrier between the "demon dimension" and the Earth. More detail would give too much away, but the Cult boys themselves even appear in a few frames of issue # 60, playing a "game of Dominance and Submission" with Vera Gemini. (Editor's Note: Special thanks go out to Mark Mitchum for researching and providing this reference) Speaking of comics, in one of the 1995 issues of "Sports Illustrated For Kids", the comic "Hedley Case" contains a BOC reference. One of the characters in the strip is seen playing a guitar. There are lyrics floating in the air behind him, blaring from the speakers of a stereo. These lyrics, from the song "Before The Kiss, A Redcap" appear: "Outside on the turnpike they've got this new hit tune..." (and in the next square) "The thrills become as cheap as gas and gas as cheap as thrills..." (Editor's Note: Special thanks go out to Chuck Rosenberg for researching and providing this reference) In 1995, some folks on BOC-L spotted a BOC reference in a Mercedes- Benz commercial. The commercial asked the viewer if they remembered various dreams they once had (saying, "You were gonna . . ."), implying that you could achieve your dream of owning a Mercedes. The last "dream" mentioned was: "You were gonna learn bar chords, and jam with Blue Oyster Cult." Mercedes-Benz did get permission from the band to use their name in the ad. Eric Bloom reports, "What did we get for it? Well, I can't really say, but if you see a guy with a beard and sunglasses on the Long Island Expressway driving a new C220 . . ." Hidden Messages --------------- The song, "You're Not The One (I Was Looking For)" (from *Mirrors*) contains the lyric, "All of the fancy ladies, oh they could talk, and talk", after which a few seconds of high-pitched "babbling" can be heard. The "babbling" is actually some spoken words speeded up -- by slowing down the section, a portion of the Lord's Prayer ("Our Father, who art in Heaven"), repeated over and over, can be clearly heard. Some anti-rock religious zealots have claimed that the spoken words are actually, "Furthermore, our father who art in heaven . . . Satan", however there is a loud thump where the word "Satan" is, and (in the editor's opinion, who once heard this as presented by some anti-rock religious zealots) can not be clearly made out. On *Cultosaurus Erectus*, at the very end of the song, "Black Blade", as it is fading out, the "voice of the Black Blade" can be heard to say, "You poor fucking humans". This is in the overlap between the fadeout of the song and the explosions that kick off "Monsters" (the next track). It may help to use headphones and turn the volume up as the song is fading out to hear this, but it's not necessary - once you know what to listen for, it's not too hard to pick it out. (WARNING - If you do use this method to hear this, make sure you turn it back down before the first notes of the next track, "Monsters" begins!). This is not on the version of "Black Blade" on *Extraterrestrial Live* (which does not fade out). On *Flat Out* (Buck Dharma's solo album), there is a "backwards" recording after one of the songs. Presumably this was done as a joke as during the time that the album was released (early 80's), lots of rock groups were being accused by religious zealots that their lyrics contains satanic messages recorded backwards. The actual recording is of two people playing ping pong, and discussing some things about the album (nothing satanic). The Fan Club lyric book titles this song Gnop Gnip (ping pong spelled backwards) and gives the following. You have to read it backwards though: > > haeeY > kcehc dnuos a rof tsuj si siht wonk I tub ass yruoy kcik dluoc I > hoo-hoO > cisum lavitsef mlif hu nevele lennahC > eb ot desu cisum nevele lennahc eht wonk'y ekil sdnuos tI > taht ekil gnihtemos ro evif songnoB > dellac ti s'tahw...hu, sognob, haey hO > sognob oeretS > drocer ognob oerets ylraE > ognod a evah I, evah I Black and Blue, and Other Videos -------------------------------- In the early 80's ("Cultosaurus Erectus" tour), BOC toured with Black Sabbath on a "Black and Blue" tour. A video was released of the concert on 10/17/80 at Nassau Coliseum, New York. A Japanese version (complete with subtitles) is available through various video distributors (see Goldmine or Discoveries for video dealers - it's probably not available at your local video stores). The video switches back an forth between the two bands every 3-4 songs. The video also contains a video of "The Marshall Plan" (studio version of the song), where a clean-shaven Eric Bloom plays the part of Johnny. According to Bolle Gregmar, the video is only available commercially on laserdisc. However, copies on video cassette can be found. There is a video of the *Live 1976* performance (same title). It contains all the songs on the album, plus "E.T.I.". Actually, it was never intended as a "video", and was actually shot live at the Capital Center (Largo, Maryland) in 1976 and projected on large screens at the show (a common practice at the Capital Center - somewhat ahead of it's time in 1976). Someone kept a copy of the footage, and turned it into a video. When BOC performed at the Capital Center again in 1978, again video on large screens was used, but the film was apparently not kept. The sound quality of the video has been sharply criticized -- the "quality" is good, but it is very poorly mixed. This same poor mix appears on the *Live 1976* CD as well. Sound quality aside, the video quality is quite good, and captures the band on its *Agents Of Fortune* tour, complete with lasers, individual solos, and a 5-man guitar jam. While not an official video, many people made video copies of a broadcast of a BOC show on 10/9/81 in Hollywood, Florida. The broadcast, which was part of the "Blue Jean Network", was simulcast on MTV and other TV stations, as well as several radio stations. Many of the songs at this show were used for the *Extraterrestrial Live* album. Videos for the following songs have been made: "The Marshall Plan", "Burnin' For You", "Joan Crawford" (which MTV apparently found too controversial to show), Veteran Of The Psychic Wars" (live, from *Extraterrestrial Live*), "Roadhouse Blues" (live video of the band at the Country Club in Reseda, CA on 12/15/81, with Robbie Krieger), "Born To Rock", "Your Loving Heart", "Take Me Away", "Shooting Shark", and "Dancin' In The Ruins". A version of "Godzilla" (live shots of the band, interspersed with clips from various Godzilla movies) may also exist. A video for "Astronomy" (from *Imaginos*) was also made, but never released in the U.S. In addition to the above videos, BOC made a promotional video 3-pack of songs from *Mirrors* ("Mirrors", "In Thee", "The Great Sun Jester"), and a promotional live video of 4 songs ("R. U. Ready 2 Rock", "Godzilla", "Born To Be Wild", "(Don't Fear) The Reaper") from their 12/30/77 show in Cobo Hall, Detroit Michigan. While not a BOC video, the movie, "The Stoned Age", contains lots of references to BOC. The movie, which might be considered rather funny or rather stupid, depending on your point of view, sort of pays homage to sex, drugs, and rock and roll in the 70's. The lead character, a youth named Joe, is a big BOC fan, who rides around with his buddy Hubbs in search of the ultimate good time. The car they drive, named "The Blue Torpedo", has a big BOC logo on the hood. Joe, who was hit by BOC's lasers during a performance of "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" (a "pussy song" according to Hubbs), has been having visions of a giant "gnarly eyeball". During the film, Joe and Hubbs basically spend their time getting wasted, and trying pick-up girls to party with. Aside from about minutes worth of live footage of BOC playing "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" (when Joe is hit by the lasers), there lots of BOC references in the film. One of the girls wears a BOC tour shirt with the *Tyranny And Mutation" cover on it. "(Don't Fear) The Reaper is played a few times, as well as "Burnin' For You". The use of "Burnin' For You" is erroneous for the time depicted in the movie (mid to late 70's, when BOC used lasers in concert) as this song came out in 1981. Bolle Gregmar, Melne Murphy, and The Museum of Cult are mentioned in the credits, as Bolle served as the BOC advisor. Finally, Eric Bloom and Buck Dharma have a cameo appearance as bootleg t-shirt salesmen in the trailer after the credits roll. Finally, the versions of "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" and "Burnin' For You" are the versions off of *Cult Classic* (no doubt to avoid legal issues with Columbia, although CBS records is credited as providing the BOC concert footage). 6. Three Men in Black Said, "Don't Report This" -- Other Sources Of Info Bolle Gregmar -- BOC/Brain Surgeons Fan Clubs --------------------------------------------- Bolle Gregmar (who has personally known the band since around 1975) is listed on both BOC's *Cult Classic*, and The Brain Surgeon's albums as the person to write to for fan club information. Bolle is also the proprietor of "The Museum of Cult", where BOC fans from all over the world go to see and hear the most complete collection of BOC music, information, and memorabilia. Also involved in running the fan club is Melne Murphy, most famous as the artist responsible for the cover of *Cult Classic*. Send a self-addressed, stamped envelope to the following address for more information: P.O. Box 931324 Los Angeles, CA 90093 The BOC Fan Club had been "dormant" during 1994, after having published 10 issues of the fan club's newsletter, "Morning Final" during the 1990 - 1993 timeframe. However, the fan club is back in full swing, having released "Morning Final #11" and MF #12 in 1995. At least two more issues are planned for the near future. Editor's note: If you, like me, were not in the fan club when MF 1-10 were released, fear not. The fan club plans to create a compilation of all the information in MF 1-10 (with the exception of time-expired events, like tour dates), and make it available to fan club members in the future. With permission, the FAQ will be updated in the future based on information in this compilation. In addition, the fan club can be reached by e-mail. Questions can be directed to the following e-mail address: BOCfanclub at aol.com Ben Cohen -- The BOC/Hawkwind E-Mail List (BOC-L) ------------------------------------------------- For those with internet access, there is an E-Mail discussion group (moderated by Ben Cohen) dedicated to discussing the bands Blue Oyster Cult and Hawkwind (since both bands have many similarities). To join the list, E-Mail a subscription request to the following address: boc-request at listserv.spc.edu Editor's Note: The subscription request address (well, the old address -- BOC-L has been upgraded since then) is listed on the Brain Surgeons' album, *Trepanation*, so you know this is a great group to be a part of. You should receive an introductory file, after which you must confirm that you want to sign up. Once added to the list, you will receive all posts to the list. Why does this discussion group handle both BOC and Hawkwind? Well, there are several similarities between the groups. Both groups have relatively small, but loyal (and somewhat rabid) followings. Both groups play a similar style of music, and have been around for years. The music of both groups is heavily drawn-from science-fiction/fantasy themes. In addition, 3 of BOC's tunes ("The Great Sun Jester", "Black Blade", "Veteran Of The Psychic Wars") were co-written by Hawkwind member Michael Moorcock. As an interesting aside, Eric Bloom and Michael Moorcock once performed "Black Blade" and "Veteran Of The Psychic Wars" together at a 1987 science fiction convention. Albert Bouchard and Deborah Frost -- The Brain Surgeons ------------------------------------------------------- Former BOC drummer Albert Bouchard, and his wife Deborah Frost, now both with The Brain Surgeons, are members of the BOC/Hawkwind E-Mail list. Members of BOC-L can reach them via the list. If you are interested in obtaining *Eponymous* or *Trepanation* (and can't find it in your local record store), or information regarding The Brain Surgeons, write to: Cellsum, P.O. Box 1070 Fort George Station New York, N.Y. 10040 BOC on AOL ---------- Subscribers to "America On-Line" may be able to hear from the band directly as Eric Bloom often participates on some of the "chat" sessions there (usually on a monthly basis). In addition, Bolle Gregmar, Melne Murphy, Albert Bouchard, Deborah Frost, and others regularly participate in BOC discussions on AOL as well. An AOL user can locate the Blue Oyster Cult folder in the "Music Message Center" (Keyword "MMC"). Select the "Rock/Pop" category, then select "Rock Artists A-L (n/s)." The (n/s) stands for non-scrolling. In addition, there is a folder set up for "Soft White Underbelly" where a few hardcore fans (including Bolle Gregmar and Melne Murphy, and former Soft White Underbelly vocalist Les Braunstein) also participate in electronic dialog. Select the "Rock/Pop" category, then select "Classic Rock" to find it. Other On-Line Sources --------------------- Discussions on BOC occasionally appear on some of the internet newsgroups. There is now an "official" BOC internet newsgroup, called "alt.music.blueoystercult". BOC discussion may also occasionally appear on "alt.rock-n-roll", and "alt.rock-n-roll.classic". There is also a Blue Oyster Cult board on Prodigy. Prodigy subscribers can access the board in the following manner: "jump" music1 bb select "rock music a-k" from the select topics window click on the "Blue Oyster Cult" subject As previously mentioned, this FAQ, and other BOC-related things, can be accessed on the World Wide Web. The following is a list of pages known to the editor which contain BOC-related info, or other stuff that he thinks would be of interest to BOC fans (Editor's note: if you find a new page, let me know). These links are graded by the editor based on his own opinion of the page as follows: "HOT" -- Essential (if you've got WWW access, make this one a bookmark). "COOL" -- Interesting, may contain non-BOC stuff. "LUKEWARM" -- Under construction, or contains mostly information that can be found elsewhere, but is worth checking out. Editor's note: In my opinion, ALL these sites are worth checking out, regardless of how I rated them. http://polyphemus.engin.umich.edu/boc-l/ (archive of BOC and Hawkwind information -- one of the first links with BOC info on it, and the first to carry the FAQ -- contains links to other BOC sites) -- HOT http://www.clark.net/pub/mileskb (page completely dedicated to BOC -- latest news on the band from recent BOC chats on AOL, including fairly up-to-date tour information, and links to other BOC sites) -- HOT http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html (page completely dedicated to BOC -- provides a forum for tape traders, information posted from other internet sources like BOC-L and AOL, as well as links to other BOC sites) -- HOT http://www.ultranet.com/~kenvt/boc.html (page completely dedicated to BOC -- contains a link to the FAQ, links to other BOC sites, as well as some sound files) -- HOT http://www.intellinet.com/~bedens/brain_surgeons/ (the "Official Brain Surgeons Home Page" -- under construction, but being coordinated with the band) -- (soon-to-be) HOT http://fraze.ncsa.uiuc.edu/testpage.html (Psiko's Music Server -- contains the FAQ, discography, and some pictures) -- COOL http://www.usd.edu/~tgannon/ (page with BOC and other music info -- contains links to the BOC-L archives, guitar tab archives, and other BOC sites) -- COOL http://www.addict.com/ATN/ ("Addicted To Noise" -- an online music review magazine. The Brain Surgeons' Deborah Frost, and BOC/Brain Surgeon lyricist Richard Meltzer, contribute to this magazine. Check out the list of sponsors for "The Brain Surgeons", and you can view artwork to *Eponymous*, and listen to sound samples of "Language Of Love" and "Name Your Monster") -- COOL http://www.music.sony.com/Music/MusicIndex.html (Sony Music, which carries BOC's past available U.S. releases) -- COOL http://www.music.indiana.edu/misc/music_resources.html -- COOL (links to lots of music-related pages) http://american.recordings.com/WWWoM/ubl/ubl.shtml (The Ultimate Band List - BOC has a card with links to the BOC-L FTP site, and some other related pages) -- COOL ftp://ftp.nevada.edu/pub/guitar/ (huge guitar tablature archive - a few BOC tabs are here) -- COOL http://www.gcms.com/cgi-andy/artist.pl?Blue_Oyster_Cult (general album info, and a few links to other sites) -- LUKEWARM http://wired.uvm.edu/~hybrid/boc.html (page completely dedicated to BOC -- page is currently either under construction, or has been deleted) -- LUKEWARM http://www.cs.utk.edu/~wickman/BOC/ (page completely dedicated to BOC -- will contain a discography, pictures and sound files -- currently under construction) -- LUKEWARM 7. 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"Good Health To You", John ---------------- End of Section 7 out of 7 -- End of BOC FAQ, Version 2.0 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 1 15:18:06 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 15:18:06 -0400 Subject: Where are the archives? Message-ID: Oops - for those who don't know, here's the deal on the archives: Archive location of this FAQ. ----------------------------- The latest version of this FAQ can be found in the BOC-L archives. The archives are located via anonymous FTP from in the [.boc-l] directory. In other words, use whatever ftp program you have to access the following address: ftp.spc.edu and use the following username: anonymous Use your E-Mail address as a password. Once in, set the directory to [.boc-l], and use the "get" command to transfer the FAQ to your system. The filename is: BOC_FAQ-version#.txt (e.g., This version is: BOC_FAQ-2_0.txt) Along with the FAQ, a few other items of interest may be found. The FAQ, along with other BOC-L archives, can also be accessed by the World Wide Web (WWW). Using your web browser, open the following URL: ftp://ftp.spc.edu/boc-l Hope that helps - if not, I may need to update the directions in the FAQ! John From stargaze at HEVANET.COM Fri Sep 1 15:19:00 1995 From: stargaze at HEVANET.COM (Mark Jeffers) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 12:19:00 PDT Subject: Age Poll Message-ID: Name: Mark Jeffers Age: 27 Handle: Nolan Voyd E-Mail Address: stargaze at hevanet.com Primary Band: BOC First Time Seen Live: 1987, Country Club, Reseda, CA (On Tour Forever tour) Last time Seen Live: 1993, Roseland, Portland, OR (On Tour Forever tour) No. Times Seen Live: 4 Best live concert: 1989, The Palace, Hollywood, CA (On Tour Forever tour) First album purchased: FoUO Favorite Album: AoF Last Purchase: None Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: No /=====================================================================\ | Mark Jeffers | Sound and fury drowns my heart | | aka Nolan Voyd | Every nerve is torn apart..... | | stargaze at hevanet.com | "Cygnus X-1" - Rush | \=====================================================================/ From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Sep 1 17:25:39 1995 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:25:39 -0500 Subject: Age Poll Message-ID: Name: Frank Weil Age: 34 Handle: E-Mail Address: frankw at comm.mot.com Primary Band: Hawkwind First Time Seen HW Live: In Chicago on US tour before the last one ('89?) Last Time Seen HW Live: '95 US tour in Chicago (Park West) Favorite HW Album: HotMG / WotEoT (tie) First HW Album Purchased: Hall of the Mountain Grill Last HW Album Purchased: Anubian Lights First Time Seen BOC Live: At Purdue in the early '80's (first date of tour) Last time Seen BOC Live: In Chicago in '94(?) Favorite BOC Album: Spectres First BOC Album Purchased: Spectres Last BOC Album Purchased: Imaginos Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes Comments (please be brief): -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (708) 576-3110 | fax: (708) 576-3240 "For 'tis better to die poor than to live in shame and ignominy." "No, it isn't." -- Kate and her father : Bells From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Fri Sep 1 19:28:58 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:28:58 +0000 Subject: Al's January Message-ID: I myself wrote: > >From where did you send your letters, Al? It seems they were sent in > January:-) 95 or 96? > Then I saw that the letters were sent 1904! And, of course, we all could imagine which character really sent those... From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Sep 1 19:57:47 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 18:57:47 -0500 Subject: Review: Farflung "25000 Feet Per Second" Message-ID: Review from Jam Magazine (N), September 1, 1995: FARFLUNG "25,000 Feet Per Second" Flipside 3 1/2 stars out of 5 One of the major flaws of the blossoming ambient scene has been the forthright denial of any historical perspective. Even though most of these techno performers have a grasp of technology and perhaps a little semblance of musical craft, there's been a patent refusal to admit any musical similarities from previous eras. The current ambient scene sounds more like diluted variations of the cosmic soundtracks once offered by Klaus Schulze and Tangerine Dream than hipper fare by Brian Eno and Can. The Orb/Aphex Twin/Future Sound of London bunch wants to avoid any alliance with the excess of art rock (although they duplicate its listening tedium so well). Not Farflung. This Los Angeles quintet gorges on forkfuls of space-rock without wiping their chins. They are a young band that recalls the hard-edged galactic explorations of early Hawkwind with a raw, aggressive energy that has ties to punk rock. Several members of Farflung have performed with second echelon space bands like Pressurehed and Nick (sic) Turner's Sphynx, but their new group offers more than just revivalist space rituals. Along with swirling synths and echoey vocals, there is a direct intensity to the rhythm section and distorted rhythm guitar that ushers the "rock" back into space-rock. Farflung's open gratitude towards bands like Hawkwind, Gong, and Amon Duul II means they can take their musical adventures to the next step. Richard Proplesch (reprinted here without permission of the author or magazine!) ObNewAdditionToWishlist: Farflung "25000 Feet Per Second" Captain Cloud From lansford at VNET.NET Fri Sep 1 15:21:11 1995 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Oyster Girl) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:21:11 +0000 Subject: My Civilisation Message-ID: On 1 Sep 95, albert bouchard wrote: > It was a thread about a time when the server was bouncing mail and > erybody would get multiple copies of the same messages. I had just > signed up and it was pretty mind boggeling because I'd think, > "didn't I just read this one"? And you didn't make a Clemson comment in the lyrics? (Can't get to that archive right now; I assume you're talking about one of the Clemson mass remailings.) ... and ... > The original line was, "who gives a flying duck about AIDS" Flying duck? I didn't know you had enough time to hang out in the Bab5 newsgroups.... (BTW, your datestamp is =really= messed up.) -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- It's not what people call you - but what you answer to - that matters. - Barry Saunders -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net From lansford at VNET.NET Fri Sep 1 15:21:10 1995 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Oyster Girl) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:21:10 +0000 Subject: BOC European Tour??? Message-ID: On 1 Sep 95, Andrew Gilham wrote: > Maybe they want to go to Greece so they can drink ouzo in their > coffee? :) I can't believe they'd play Greece! But if Maiden can > play Beirut, anything's possible! Didja know it was a trip to Greece that 2OC managed to talk Allen into coming back aboard for? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- It's not what people call you - but what you answer to - that matters. - Barry Saunders -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net From lansford at VNET.NET Fri Sep 1 15:25:43 1995 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Oyster Girl) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 19:25:43 +0000 Subject: Imaginos: What I hear... Message-ID: On 1 Sep 95, John A Swartz wrote: > As I always point out (because Bolle is concerned about copyright > violations), the stuff in the BOC-L FTP site is "unofficial". Bolle > needed specific permission from the band, management, and record > label to reproduce the lyrics for the fan club lyric book. And our archives will include any corrections Albert wants to make. Along those lines, does anyone have his message about the Vera Gemini lyrics? I cannot find it anywhere, and I'd like to get the AOF file finished. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- It's not what people call you - but what you answer to - that matters. - Barry Saunders -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net From bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM Fri Sep 1 20:55:18 1995 From: bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 16:55:18 -0800 Subject: Imaginos: What I hear... Message-ID: On Fri 1-Sep-1995 11:43a, John A Swartz wrote: JS> Joe writes: JS> >Well, I gotta believe *you* got it right :) Thanks. Actually, I don't JS> have the JS> lyric book I got those lyrics from the boc-l FTP site... JS> As I always point out (because Bolle is concerned about copyright JS> violations), the stuff in the BOC-L FTP site is "unofficial". Bolle JS> needed specific permission from the band, management, and record label JS> to reproduce the lyrics for the fan club lyric book. JS> However, if one were to compare the lyric book ("official") to the FTP JS> lyrics ("unofficial") . . . Boy, all those of years of trying to guess JS> the correct lyrics and collaborating with other BOC fans has really JS> paid off ;-) No doubt. As I said before, I was no where close to having the complete lyrics to any of the songs till I found these... ||\ * Ask me for my PGP Key! "San Diego's ||< * Brokedown Palace! 619-596-1974/7419 Original |_||/ * jbrooks at bpalace.com Grateful BBS" From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 1 23:44:29 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:44:29 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: imaginos tour was Re: eti.. Message-ID: FYI y'all...His Bolliness Speaks... --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: Fwd: imaginos tour was Re: eti.. Date: 95-09-01 03:57:44 EDT From: TUBULAR 1 To: DFrost8547 Technical Expertise (C'et moi) says Imaginos material was covered from July 15th 1988 through December 15th in 1989. And That's The Facts! BOLLE_!_? From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 1 23:47:19 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:47:19 -0400 Subject: My Civilisation Message-ID: I don't know where Albert comes up with these ridiculous stories. --DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 2 00:00:17 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 00:00:17 -0400 Subject: My Civilisation Message-ID: What datestamp? That's really his timezone :-) Oy.. as they say here, y'all.. Later-- DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 2 00:03:04 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 00:03:04 -0400 Subject: BOC European Tour??? Message-ID: Same "trip" also managed to talk Albert into bringing the Imaginos mixes down to the office...boy, was he surprised when it was time to get on the plane! From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 2 00:21:47 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 00:21:47 -0400 Subject: BRAIN RE:MY CIVILISATION Message-ID: FYI: Although Eponymous is available in stores like Tower (also via their phone/mailorder) HMV, J&R Music in NYC via Ripe & Ready/AEC--catalog#Ripe2204, Trepanation an only be purchased right now via mail only. Moneyorders for $14. ($11 +$3. S&H) should be made out to Albert Bouchard and sent to: PO Box 1070 Fort George Station NY NY 10040-9998 USA International fans please add add'l $2. for S&H... But Richard, maybe you want to be the one to pick up copies for some of the English contingent, given the added hassle/expense of changing money over there. Contact me via private e-mail (mail to you was returned when I tried to reach you at the header on your post) and if you want to pick up several copies of the album for others over there, we can work out the same kind of reasonable discount we generally do for bulk orders. --DF From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Sep 2 12:36:17 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:36:17 +0000 Subject: HW: LP review 'X In Search of Space' In-Reply-To: <26194.9508311335@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Aug 1995, Dave Berry wrote: > You're doing a good job. Why thankyou! I'm working on the Charisma LP's now .... damn hard thing to do. I'm not sure how they'll pan out .... we'll find out in a day or two! > I've got one suggestion, and that refers to the first two albums. It might > be worth making the point that these aren't 'heavy' in the style of Doremi, > Space Ritual, etc. The first album is kind of psychedelic, and the second > has a sort of trancey feel to it (though its not as slow as that sounds). > (Even the word 'heavy' would need qualification, since you don't find > lycra-clad lead guitarists twiddling their bits on a hawkwind album!) Good point. I have been trying to review the album's as if I was doing it at the time of release, so I didn't see a need to do this. In hindsight maybe I haven't used the best apporach. How the hell do you classify Hawkwind music in such a way that the un-initiated would know what I'm talking about ? Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Sep 2 12:39:28 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:39:28 +0000 Subject: LP review - Space Ritual In-Reply-To: <9508311412.AA18696@eng.hud.ac.uk> Message-ID: Gidday Keith > I really like these reviews. It's great to see other peoples opinions on > albums. why thanks! > BUT............... There's always one of these! > 1992 .?.?.?................... Must be the Morphail Effect. Doh! Bloody weak keyboard skills hey! I'm surprised no-one else picked this up (must have something to do with the delete key!) Pau; -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Sat Sep 2 09:39:24 1995 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 09:39:24 BST Subject: Paul's ongoing HW reviews Message-ID: Hey Paul, the only reason I didn't point out the 1992 SR error was that the correction arrived befrore the review - this happens fairly often (anybody else this happens to ?) Keep up the good work man, yer doin' fine. Neil. From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Sat Sep 2 11:55:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 11:55:00 BST-1 Subject: Monster Magnet no-show Message-ID: Tim and I were all fired up for a good mosh at Monster Magnet at the Astoria last night, except when we got there we saw a sign saying "cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances". Bummer! Anyone have any idea of the reason? - Andy From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Sat Sep 2 08:56:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 07:56:00 -0500 Subject: FAQ is FG! Message-ID: Greetings, I just got done doing a quick scan of the FAQ (I'll go back and read it cover to cover later) and I would like to start out by saying that John has done a GREAT job! So here goes.... John, GREAT job! Thanks to this wonderful heap 'o BOC tidbits, an old argument has finally been put to rest. When I first traded in my SOE vinyl for the CD version, I noticed almost immediately that "We Gotta" on CD was different than the vinyl. I pointed this out to my significant other, who told me that I had been in the sun too long and I was a loonie. I pointed it out to a friend of mine who is as big a BOC fan as me and he said that he thought I had been drinking my bathwater again. I played both versions for someone who had never heard either version and he replied, "Sounds the same to me", which resulted in my beating my head against the floor, while my girlfriend and BOC friend cheered and high-fived over me. I've never been able to even listen to this song without getting a "little" angry. Thank you FAQ for pointing out the TOTALY OBVIOUS TRUTH that the 2 versions are different!!! After years of ridicule, the Torgo man holds his head high. Torgo the Triumphant (is outa this place)............... robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sat Sep 2 11:59:24 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 11:59:24 -0400 Subject: Paul's ongoing HW reviews Message-ID: I also noticed the 1992 date, but as I am also all thumbs with a keyboard, I immediatly knew what went wrong. Duane -- " If you want a friend just feed any animal..." From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Sat Sep 2 13:53:46 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 12:53:46 -0500 Subject: New HW Releases showing up Message-ID: Just got in the latest Goldmine, and I see three advertisers listing pre-order info for the new HW stuff: Sept 8: HW - Area S.4 12" or CDS Harvey Bainbridge - Eyebrow Razor CD (w/Robbie Krieger) Sept 22: HW - Independent Days I & II CD Sept 25: HW - Alien Digipak CD or 2LP Also: - word from Mike Coleman is that a domestic (Griffin) release of Brock's solo "Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams" may be imminent. Finally! Some excitement on the Hawkwind front! Better start saving them pennies (or ha'pennies ;-). Captain Cloud From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Sat Sep 2 14:32:53 1995 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:32:53 -0800 Subject: Age Poll Message-ID: Hey, this is still going on? OK, here's mine >Name: Steve Phillips >Age: 29 >Handle: Dr. Zaius >E-Mail Address: zaius at teleport.com >Primary Band: BOC >First Time Seen Live: 1983 (Revolution By Night) >Last time Seen Live: 1994, Roseland, Portland, OR (On Tour Forever tour) >No. Times Seen Live: 5 >Best live concert: 1987 @ Harpo's (Detroit, MI) >First album purchased: FoUO >Favorite Album: Cultosaurus Erectus >Last Purchase: Imaginos >Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Led Zeppelin "I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the sort of person I'm preaching to." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Sat Sep 2 16:23:35 1995 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas B. Pearson) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 13:23:35 -0700 Subject: Monster Magnet no-show Message-ID: Andy Gilham wrote: >Tim and I were all fired up for a good mosh at Monster Magnet at the >Astoria last night, except when we got there we saw a sign saying >"cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances". Bummer! > >Anyone have any idea of the reason? The last time I tried to go to a Monster Magnet show that was cancelled for "unforseen circumstances" was august '91 at Maxwell's, Hoboken NJ. Apparently Tim Cronin (MM co-founder, original drummer & lead singer) was hospitalized for some sort of liver complication (talk about living up to one's reputation!). That's the reason why he no longer performs with the band, although I think he's still involved with the light show & their fan newsletter (?). Oh well, I just wish I'd had the chance to see the original 3-piece lineup back in '89 ... *sigh* later, -Doug ceres at sirius.com ObCD: Dead C _The Whitehouse_ From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 2 23:20:08 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 23:20:08 -0400 Subject: Monster Magnet no-show Message-ID: Gee, they're the headline attraction at the opening night party at Irving Plaza in NYC at the generally repulsive CMJ convention on Wed Sept 6 (also appearing Paw-really terrible 4th rate grunge imitators from Kansas, Slider, Fig Dish)...I'll check it out with the record co on Tuesday... --DF From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Sun Sep 3 13:37:43 1995 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Mr. Wizard (ex-zymoticist)) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 18:37:43 +0100 Subject: HW: Capt Rizz Message-ID: A while ago the Capt Rizz CD Manifesto was mentioned, and people wondered if there was any other HW involvement than the Alan Davey mixing. Well, having finally decided to spend my money on it I can say that the obvious HW links are as follows 1. it was mixed by Paul Cobbold 2. with a comix by Alan Davey 3. In the 'with rizzpect to' list there are Alan Davey & Douglas Smith other HW links that aren't really links, but are due to coming from a shared culture are i) Simon "TI PEE" management/tribal/messenger ii) the bass player goes by the name JP "ace of spades" iii) there are some smashing wooshing synths on a couple of the tracks iv) the rizz party manifesto includes the plan to free the Roundhouse at chalk farm by opting out of local council control and returning it to its old use of a music and arts centre for the whole community. I thoroughly enjoyed the CD, but do not expect a HW sound, because that aint what it is. Mike w From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Sun Sep 3 23:13:12 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 22:13:12 EST Subject: BOC: Workshop of the Telescopes Message-ID: As I listen to the Led Zep box, a question is crossing my mind. Are the tracks on Workshop going to be re-mastered in any way? I for one would love to hear a "wall of sound" version of WotT, although I enjoy Last Days of May pretty much the way it is. Also, off topic, does anyone know anything about a new Tull album coming out this month? Brian From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Mon Sep 4 04:29:18 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 09:29:18 +0100 Subject: Age poll contribution (better late than never)... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, Damon C Capehart wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Sep 1995, Stuart Hungerford wrote: > > Well, that depends... is it the original 1-CD/2-LP live thang or is it > the full concert Griffin 2-CD thang with the Moorcock readings intact? I > have the latter, and I have no problem with the song changes. Exposed at last! I, unfortunately perhaps, purchased the 1CD... mind you there were no clues that it wasn't going to be the complete thang..god dang! So for all those listening who havn't yet got "Live Chronicles" make sure that it's the 2 CD set (if of course you have the option) and don't learn the hard way like me Maxine I'm ObSet now :( From cs0jca at ISIS.SUNDERLAND.AC.UK Mon Sep 4 06:28:21 1995 From: cs0jca at ISIS.SUNDERLAND.AC.UK (John.Cartledge) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 11:28:21 +0100 Subject: Age Poll Message-ID: Name: John Cartledge Age : 32 Handle: E-Mail Address: cs0jca at isis.sunderland.ac.uk Primary Band: HW First Time Seen Live: HW : 1981, Sonic Attack Tour, Newcastle City Hall : BOC : 1983, Rev By Night Tour, Newcastle City Hall Last time Seen Live: HW : 1992, All Dayer, Kilburn National Ballroom BOC : 1988, Imaginos Tour, Newcastle City Hall No Times Seen : HW : 15 BOC : 2 Favorite Album: HW : Space Ritual BOC : OYFOOYK Last Album Purchased: HW : 25 Years On/Dave Brock - Strange Trips BOC : Rock & Roll Reapers (Bootleg) Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes Comments (please be brief): Love both bands, but HW shade it. Location: (Where do you live) : Sunderland, UK Hawkwind are doing another of their infamous all nighters at Londons Brixton Academy on October 21st. Porcupine Tree are one of the other acts on the bill. Others to be added. Would be good to see which list members are up for it. Later John -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Cartledge Systems Programmer School Of Computing & Information Systems University Of Sunderland St Peter's Campus St Peter's Way North Sands Sunderland Tyne & Wear Email : cs0jca at isis.sunderland.ac.uk England Tel : 0191 5153638 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Welcome To The Days You've Made" From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Mon Sep 4 11:49:02 1995 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 11:49:02 BST Subject: Brixton rumours (?) Message-ID: John Cartledge writes : Hawkwind are doing another of their infamous all nighters at Londons Brixton Academy on October 21st. Porcupine Tree are one of the other acts on the bill. Others to be added. Would be good to see which list members are up for it. Later John If this is true, I'll be there John. (forgive my sceptism, but with HW you nevere know for sure..). Neil. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Sep 4 11:57:43 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 12:57:43 -0300 Subject: HW UK tour dates Message-ID: >From the official postcard, the Alien tour dates: 4/9/95 Area 54 release. 18/9/95 Alien release. 9/19/95 U.S.S.M.R. ?? The first letter is partially obscured by a postmark - it might be a D. I don't know what it means anyway!! 12/10/95 Glasgow Barrowlands 13/10/95 Lancaster Ashton Hall 15/10/95 Liverpool Royal Court 16/10/95 Manchester Academy 18/10/95 Bristol Colston Hall 20/10/95 Wolverhampton Civic Hall 21/10/95 London Brixton Academy 23/10/95 Portsmouth Guild Hall That's all it says (it doesn't even say "Hawkwind"; there's just a picture of an alien and the letter "A"). Dave ("All of the day and part of the night!" - the onset of middle age). From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Mon Sep 4 08:38:35 1995 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 13:38:35 +0100 Subject: HW Tour Dates Message-ID: >4/9/95 Area 54 release. >18/9/95 Alien release. >9/19/95 U.S.S.M.R. ?? The first letter is partially obscured by a > postmark - it might be a D. I don't know what > it means anyway!! >20/10/95 Wolverhampton Civic Hall > >That's all it says (it doesn't even say "Hawkwind"; there's just a picture >of an alien and the letter "A"). > >Dave ("All of the day and part of the night!" - the onset of middle age). No it's definatly USSMR and does anyone know what this means??? Anyone going to the wolverhampton gig??? Derrick... ps I,ve just returned from town, no sight of the single yet.. --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk Talk Waylander at 147.188.64.112 "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. --------------------------------------------- From sop04afw at GOLD.AC.UK Mon Sep 4 09:10:40 1995 From: sop04afw at GOLD.AC.UK (andrew fergus wilson) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 14:10:40 +0100 Subject: New HW Ep In-Reply-To: <4995.9508311544@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Aug 1995, bart wrote: > Location of Hangar 18 (Megadeth), in turn, the location of the Blue Room (The btw, blue room is supposedly in the whjte house From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Sep 4 20:21:48 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 00:21:48 +0000 Subject: Robert Calvert video project (fwd) Message-ID: Can anyone help this guy ? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 02 Sep 95 00:36:08 -0700 From: Mediopolis VideoFest Berlin To: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au Subject: Robert Calvert video project -- VideoFest Mediopolis Berlin e.V. Potsdamer Strasse 96 D-10785 Berlin Phone *49 30 262 87 14 Fax *49 30 262 87 13 vf-info at contrib.de http://www.is.in-berlin.de/~vf-info/videofest/videofest.html/ Hello - I am actually doing the research for a video portrait of Robert Calvert. Apart from getting in touch with Robert`s friends and all the other artists who worked with him I am desperately looking out for any additional material about him - especially films and videos, (performances, interviews - anything) even if it has a rough quality. I am already in touch with lots of Calvert`s friends and former artistic collaborators, but as this video will cover Clavert`s entire career, every bit`s and pieces I can get hold of are extremly valuable. I wonder if you might have any kind of material aviailable - or know of any other persons who might have. Maybe there`s a chance for you to put a little research ad/button in your web-site. I am looking forward to hearing from you. All the best Knut Gerwers From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Sep 4 20:35:43 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 00:35:43 +0000 Subject: New HW Releases showing up In-Reply-To: <9509021253.A10665@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Sep 1995, cjohnson wrote: > Sept 8: > HW - Area S.4 12" or CDS > Harvey Bainbridge - Eyebrow Razor CD (w/Robbie Krieger) > > Sept 25: > HW - Alien Digipak CD or 2LP The minute (well the hour will do) that someone gets copies of these, could they post the catalog # details on the list? Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 4 16:55:39 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 16:55:39 BST Subject: t-shirts update Message-ID: This is the state of play on the NetHawks t-shirts. Several people have still to send money for their shirts and two people have yet to tell me what sizes they want. Come on folks, you're holding things up for the others. FoFP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RJPXR5 at aol.com 1XL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Edlundh 1XL Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVID FURST 1L -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Baxley 1L Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian AGENT GORDON COLE Atkins 1XL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Duane Hoyt 1XL Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andrew fergus wilson 1XL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Ward 1L -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mitch Goldman 1XL Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROB MAERZ 1L + 1XL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Witch Doktressa Tba 1XL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiphoon at aol.com 1? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bstewart at interserv.com 1M + 1L +1XXL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Hodge 1? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Sep 4 12:35:25 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 17:35:25 +0100 Subject: BS was Re: Monster Magnet no-show In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 02 Sep 1995 11:55:00 -0000." Message-ID: > Tim and I were all fired up for a good mosh at Monster Magnet at the > Astoria last night, except when we got there we saw a sign saying > "cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances". Bummer! > > Anyone have any idea of the reason? It was a bummer indeed. We checked out the Marquee to see if anything was worth seeing down at the Marquee, and were confronted by a sign for 'Astral Amoeboid and the Space Toad Experience' but we figured it to be techno dance crap. Besides, two increasingly drunk guys trying to mosh and yelling requests for 'Spine of God' wouldn't go down too well I spect. :) There is a point to this message though. After several pints and a decent curry, I did finally get to hear Trepanation and most of Eponymous, and I must say, from what I remember, I was pleasantly surprised. Ya got another fan over here Al & Deb. Surely London is 7 hrs from NYC ... by jet. Howbout a gig? :-) Tim ObLondonBargain: Mark Shreve "Assassin" for five quid From rbwelch at NETCOM.COM Tue Sep 5 00:37:48 1995 From: rbwelch at NETCOM.COM (Robert B. Welch) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 21:37:48 -0700 Subject: BOC in SF on 9/6 Message-ID: BOC plays Slim's in San Francisco on this upcoming Wednesday evening (9/6). Anyone else from the list going to be there? Stop by and say hello. I'll be wearing the Nethawks t-shirt. Robert Welch +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Show me your portfolio! Lie to me about your family!" Cmdr. Ivanova, Babylon 5, having "sex". rbwelch at netcom.com From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Sep 5 17:19:04 1995 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 16:19:04 EST Subject: Age Poll In-Reply-To: <9508301850.aa26384@uk.ac.ed.castle>; from "J Strobridge" at Aug 30, 95 06:50:53 pm Message-ID: Name: Martyn Lawrence Age:34 Handle:Marty Reside:Melbourne Australia E-Mail Address:martynl at fujitsu.com.au Primary Band: Hawkwind First Time Seen Live: Southampton Gaumont October 1977 Last time Seen Live: Southampton University april 1992 Best Gigs: Lyseum London July 1980/Southampton Gaumont 1979 First Album heard: Quark Strangeness & Charm First Album bought: Quark Strangeness & Charm/Space Ritual Favorite Album:QS&C/Palace Springs Last album purchased: Psychadelic Warriors-White Zone Are You Familiar with the Other Band?:yes Times seen Hawkwind:44 Times seen BOC:1 Most Memorable HW Moment:Joining in with the Hawklords Lineup against the roadcrew using indoor firework things (snapits ?) in the foyer at Reading Hexagon,and trying to have a conversation with Calvert while chaos was goingon. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 5 09:01:46 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:01:46 -0400 Subject: FAQ is FG! Message-ID: Torgo writes, and I reply below . . . >John, GREAT job! Well - THANKS! But, check the credits - I had LOTS of help. You really gotta thank everyone on BOC-L, and maybe give a call to "his Bolliness" (great line, Deb) >When I first traded in my SOE vinyl for the CD version, I noticed almost immediately that "We Gotta" on CD was different than the vinyl. Yes, 'tis true. Bolle relayed the story to me, although I'm surprised that I hadn't discovered it myself when I got the SEE CD (guess it had been awhile since I had listened to it on tape). Just this weekend, I got ahold of a BOC interview (Jim Ladd interviewing Buck and Eric), and they talked a little more about this (this would've been before the CD came out). I appears the boxes for the two shows with the versions of "We Gotta Get Out of this Place" were mislabelled from the beginning as the band was trying to figure out which version to use. The one that sounded the best was the one in the box labelled "Edinburg" (Bolle said it was London, which is what's in the FAQ), and the guys thought, "Too bad it wasn't the "Newcastle" gig, since that was Eric Burdon's home town. Eric Burdon was the lead singer of the Animals, the guys that originally did that song. Anyways, it turned out that the boxes were mislabelled, and it actually was the Newcastle gig that sounded the best. However, apparently the error would show up again years later when it came time to put the songs to CD, and they once again grabbed the wrong box. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 5 09:08:49 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:08:49 -0400 Subject: My Civilisation Message-ID: Deb, are you saying that Albert's pulling our collective electronic chains here with his explanation about the "bleep"? Al, don't do this! As I've stated here before, my picture is in the dictionary next to the word "gullible". ;-) Well, whatever the truth may be, it's still my favorite song on the CD. No comprehendo, John From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Sep 5 12:25:00 1995 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:25:00 PDT Subject: HW: LP review 'X In Search of Space' Message-ID: >How the hell do you classify Hawkwind music in such a way that the >un-initiated would know what I'm talking about ? >Paul -Though I have been trying to follow your reviews I am a bit confused as to what the HW sound is. You've done a good job so far though. AB From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Tue Sep 5 11:28:06 1995 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 16:28:06 +0100 Subject: HW Live at the Bottom Line Message-ID: I've seen a copy of this going for =A325-00, is this a reasonable price to get it for. Does any one have any details of it, as i'm buying tommorow. Thanks Derrick... --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk Talk Waylander at 147.188.64.112 "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. --------------------------------------------- From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Tue Sep 5 12:37:26 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 12:37:26 -0400 Subject: BOC We gotta get out.... Message-ID: I agree, the new FAQ is definitely FG. Well done John, Bolle et al. Torgo wrote: >When I first traded in my SOE vinyl for the CD version, I noticed almost immediately that "We Gotta" on CD was different than the vinyl. John wrote (Editted): >Just this weekend, I got ahold of a BOC interview (Jim Ladd >interviewing Buck and Eric), and they talked a little more about this >The one that sounded the best was the one in the box labelled "Edinburg" >(Bolle said it was London, which is what's in the FAQ), When I read the new FAQ, I was jumping around when I read that WGGOTP on the CD of SEE was recorded at (Hammersmith) London as I went to both the London shows. I was dead chuffed to be part of an official BOC recording. Now it seems my joy may have been premature!! Is it possible to get absolute clarification on the venues for these versions??? .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com OBExhibition: Fortean Times have an exhibition of unexplained phenomena and general wierd stuff in Croydon (Nr. London) this month. The Independant (Newspaper) illustrated this with a picture of a stuffed?? half man, half fish creature - which is presumably one of the exhibits, *very BOC* From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Tue Sep 5 13:14:41 1995 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 13:14:41 -0400 Subject: HW Live at the Bottom Line Message-ID: > I've seen a copy of this going for ?25-00, is this a reasonable price to > get it for. > Does any one have any details of it, as i'm buying tommorow. > > Thanks Derrick... Its not so hot sound quality wise, Derrick. Ranked 20th out of 21 on the boot poll we had a while back, unless you have the incurable Kollector itching you might want to think again, or ask around for a tape.... Cheers, Steve L. Track list is: 1981 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line (New York 1978) (Festival) Hassan I Sabha Brainstorm Steppenwolf High Rise Robot Spirit of the Age Sonic Attack From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Tue Sep 5 13:18:58 1995 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 13:18:58 -0400 Subject: HW: Rockin Vicars - (Lemmy) Message-ID: I saw a collection CD of the Rockin' Vicars on the w/e. Claims to have unreleased tracks on it (about 16 tracks in all). Never having heard any of this stuff, I thought I'd ask for opinions (in case its reaaaaaallly bad ?). Almost worth it for the cover photo of Lemmy with a pudding bowl haircut !! Anybody else interested in this ? Cheers, Steve L. From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 5 18:36:44 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 18:36:44 BST Subject: HW Live at the Bottom Line In-Reply-To: Stephen Lindsey's message of Tue, 5 Sep 1995 13:14:41 -0400 Message-ID: > > I've seen a copy of this going for 25-00, is this a reasonable price to > > get it for. > > Does any one have any details of it, as i'm buying tommorow. > > > > Thanks Derrick... > > > Its not so hot sound quality wise, Derrick. Ranked 20th out of 21 on > the boot poll we had a while back, unless you have the incurable > Kollector itching you might want to think again, or ask around for a tape.... > Yeah - if that's 25.00 pounds then it's expensive and it might be safer *not* buying for now in the hope that it comes up somewhere else cheaper. However it's a fairly rare piece of vinyl, despite the sound quality, and I'm not entirely convinced that the tape sound quality is all that much better. You get more tracks tho'! However, at 25.00 dollars it would be a reasonable price I'd say. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 5 18:43:06 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 18:43:06 BST Subject: HW: Rockin Vicars - (Lemmy) In-Reply-To: Stephen Lindsey's message of Tue, 5 Sep 1995 13:18:58 -0400 Message-ID: > I saw a collection CD of the Rockin' Vicars on the w/e. Claims to have > unreleased tracks on it (about 16 tracks in all). Never having heard > any of this stuff, I thought I'd ask for opinions (in case its reaaaaaallly > bad ?). Almost worth it for the cover photo of Lemmy with a pudding bowl > haircut !! Anybody else interested in this ? > >From what I recall, I don't think it's all that bad! Remember Lemmy is playing lead guitar tho! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Sep 5 13:48:16 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 13:48:16 -0400 Subject: I'm back.... Message-ID: "Well, I'm alive, You thought I was gone..." When I last left here, I was heading to Italy, with visions of cheap Italian prog CD dancing in my head. Well, a better and cheaper selection was to be found at the Tower Records in Vienna, VA. Found _one_ good shop in Florence for boots, however; no Hawkwind or BOC to be found. It _was_ nice to be able to buy a beer at every little cart or street- side bar, for a little more than a Coke! :-) Then work got real intense for the following month and I just didn't have the chance to get back on (I may not stay on for long, either, depending...). So, I need to be filled in on some things... 1. What is the status of the BOC box/best of? I see that it is due out in a couple of weeks; does anyone have a track listing yet? A must-buy? 2. What is this Alien thinggy I see referenced to? I sussed that it is Hawkwind; live or studio? Has the Brock solo seen the light of day yet? 3. What is the status of the new BOC release? When's the next HW release (studio, assuming that Alien is the live recording from the last US tour) due out? 4. There appears to be yet another round of T-shirt orders and a poll of the members of the list. What's the scoop? Thanks, and it is good to be back... objCassette Player: Andy Pickford / Maelstrom - best damn e-music release of 1995! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 5 18:48:07 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 18:48:07 BST Subject: HW convention-ally Message-ID: Apparently the Hawkwind Convention is scheduled to take place at the end of May. I'm told this has been reasonably definitely finalised but I sure wouldn't book any tickets just yet 8-) jill PS anyone want to help fill a Hawkwind bus to Glasgow..... ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Sep 5 16:12:00 1995 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 13:12:00 PDT Subject: Yo Da Man is Back!!!! Message-ID: Craig ("no not that one either") Shipley is back in the fold. Good to see your keyboard bud. You missed a lot but then you missed very little too. Can't answer most of your questions but you need to answer mine. We are starting a directory of the list and need some info from you. Please follow the format and e-mail back to me or post it to the list. Speaking of which, will be in Atlanta tonite (9/5) through tomorrow afternoon (9/6). Sure wish the boys were in town. Directory info needed: Name: Age: Handle: (Other than real name used to sign posts) Reside: E-Mail Address: Primary Band: (Band which brought you to the list BOC or HW) First Time Seen Live: Last time Seen Live: First Album bought: Favorite Album: Last album purchased: Psychadelic Warriors-White Zone Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: (HW or BOC?) Times seen Live: Comments (please be brief): Again good to read ya dude, didn't think you were ever coming back. AB abrevard at shl.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 5 14:40:13 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 14:40:13 -0400 Subject: BOC We gotta get out.... Message-ID: Charlie's question regarding what venue was used for the SEE CD version of "We Gotta Get Out of This Place" -- Bolle says "London", but this info should be in one of the Morning Finals (1-10, which I don't have yet) -- someone pointed this issue out and the "analysis" of how the 2 versions differ was in there. Perhaps someone (Bryan Irby?) has a copy of this issue and can put this to rest. John From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Sep 5 16:41:00 1995 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 13:41:00 PDT Subject: List Directory Message-ID: Just a reminder to stragglers (Al/Deb still waiting) to please provide your responses for the directory. Recieved several more today and we are currently at 27 pages. This should shrink once the final format is in place. I will be out for a few days so either post to the list but if possible send your response directly to me at abrevard at shl.com. To the suscriber from Atlanta (sorry to many messages in the box to find your response) thanks for the update but I will be visiting some in-laws tonight so won't have much of an opportunity to see the sights. To Torgo : Travelling w/ Triumph I, Stages, and your King's X compilation and Gary Hoey Compilation. To Gumby : Also taking some Y&T, Torgo's Best of The Early Years To Charles the Grinning Boy: My BOC concert tape (Compile of SEE, ETL and OYFOOYK) Now the only thing I'm missing is a little Bachman Turner Overdrive. Does anyone know if the Oyster Boys made the festivities in Cleveland this weekend? DId they perform? OB BOC Cover song I'd like to hear, all music, Hocus Pocus by Focus. PS: BOC should go unplugged all the way even the hard stuff. If Neil Young can do a pretty good acoustic version of Rocking the Free World, BOC could do at least twenty numbers IMHO that would sound better. From mbraun at HYDRA.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM Tue Sep 5 14:56:58 1995 From: mbraun at HYDRA.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 13:56:58 CDT Subject: BOC RIP?? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 31 Aug 95 22:43:33 EDT." <199509010243.AA23517@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: >Personally, I like Club Ninja better than Mirrors. It definitely has its moments... >I especially like White Flags. [...] But honestly, " Pretty girls >can't look away..."? Give me a break. Oooh, I don't know that I'd go throwin' stones, Duane: "Can you feel my love?" isn't a whole lot better. ;-) (Though I suppose it's better than "squeezing his lemon, 'til the juice runs down his leg", but...) m@ +-mbraun at urbana.mcd.mot.com-+----- This ain't the Garden of Eden ---[MK/AB/DW]+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | There ain't no angels above | | Urbana, IL Design Centre |And things ain't what they're supposed to be | +--Dangerous Projects Team--+- And this ain't the "Summer Of Love" -----------+ From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Tue Sep 5 15:31:36 1995 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 15:31:36 -0400 Subject: BOC: Ripper Message-ID: You may recall a mention of the upcoming video game "Ripper" that is going to use Don't Fear the Reaper music. I got some email from someone who is working on the game (forwarded with permission): > From: Christina Schulman > > I'm in the process of setting up a WWW site for Take 2 Interactive > Software; we're a a computer game company in Pennsylvania. Our next > game, Ripper, features the song "Don't Fear the Reaper" (fully licensed) > [...] > Our site is still under construction, but for now it can be viewed at > http://oak.westol.com/~taketwo/take2.html. She continues in a later message: > Go ahead, although if you pass along the URL, be warned that our web site > is still under construction and will probably move in a few weeks. I hope > to have the Ripper preview available for downloading within a week or so. From Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK Tue Sep 5 16:28:19 1995 From: Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK (Norman Beresford) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 21:28:19 +0100 Subject: HW convention-ally Message-ID: >Apparently the Hawkwind Convention is scheduled to take place at the end >of May. May 96 I presume or has this message just floated through the gap due to the collapse of part of the net tonight? > >PS anyone want to help fill a Hawkwind bus to Glasgow..... Where from and when? Norman From Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK Tue Sep 5 16:28:24 1995 From: Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK (Norman Beresford) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 21:28:24 +0100 Subject: A fruitless search Message-ID: >>>From the official postcard, the Alien tour dates: > >4/9/95 Area 54 release. Spent today ringing round the various record shops in London. HMV has it down for release on the 11th. Virgin had it down as released but as none of their shops had it (including the Oxford street Megastore) the person I spoke to said it's release date must have been put back. Our Price had nothing about it period. Same goes for Tower. I'm in central London tommorrow so I'll look in a few places where they might have it (Sister Ray, what ever that ambient place in Sohos called etc etc). To expensive to phone up MLM in Hanley so they might have it. From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Sep 5 17:25:45 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 17:25:45 -0400 Subject: HW convention-ally Message-ID: Jill, If you can figure out a way to drive the bus to Cleveland, Oh., I'm in!!! Duane Anyway, hope its a good time, wish I was going. -- " If you want a friend just feed any animal..." From lansford at VNET.NET Tue Sep 5 13:42:07 1995 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Oyster Girl) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 17:42:07 +0000 Subject: My Civilisation Message-ID: On 5 Sep 95, John A Swartz wrote: > Deb, are you saying that Albert's pulling our collective electronic > chains here with his explanation about the "bleep"? John, I think that's called a "protest of plausible denial." ;) -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- It's not what people call you - but what you answer to - that matters. - Barry Saunders -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net From b_pospiech at SHAMROCK.PING.DE Tue Sep 5 15:43:00 1995 From: b_pospiech at SHAMROCK.PING.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 18:43:00 -0100 Subject: HW Live at Bottom Line Message-ID: Hi Derrick! > Does any one have any details of it, as i'm buying tommorow. GET IT!!!! It is a bootleg live recording from 06.03.1978 cu Bernhard b_pospiech at shamrock.ping.de From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Sep 6 01:38:16 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 01:38:16 -0400 Subject: BOC in SF on 9/6 Message-ID: Robert - I know at least one person who will be at the Slims show, his name is Jack Heffling and he's a regular at the Prodigy and AOL oyster spots. He's a real nice guy. If you happen to bump into him, tell him Chuck sent ya. He's nearing 40 years of age (actually, I think he turns 40 on that day), he'll be there with his wife. Chuck From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Wed Sep 6 16:40:12 1995 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:40:12 EST Subject: HW Isle of wight Festival In-Reply-To: ; from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Sep 5, 95 06:43:00 pm Message-ID: Hi I noticed that one of the tv stations here (ABC) is showing a film on the isle of wight festival.Has anyone seen this and does it contain any footage of the hawks? regards Marty From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Wed Sep 6 08:42:31 1995 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:42:31 BST Subject: HW Isle of wight Festival Message-ID: Hello Marty, I saw the Isle of Wight Festival film about two weeks ago. There's no footage of HW cos they weren't on the bill. They played outside the fence as a protest to the high ticket price. Anyway, the music was good but the atmosphere was shit, lots of fighting etc. cheers, Keith From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Wed Sep 6 04:58:37 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:58:37 +0100 Subject: Age Poll In-Reply-To: <9509041028.AA03716@osiris.sund.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Sep 1995, John.Cartledge wrote: > > > Hawkwind are doing another of their infamous all nighters at Londons Brixton > Academy on October 21st. Porcupine Tree are one of the other acts on the bill. > Others to be added. Would be good to see which list members are up for it. > I'd go just to meet some list members, be nice to put some faces to these names (& ages). Does anyone know of a good place to stay down there? I'm not a great London fan (been about 3 times and have got lost on each occasion) so having a B&B close to the venue (not usually capable of driving after HW gigs!) would be reassuring!? Maxine "The night shall be filled with music And the cares that infest the day e-mail: mxw at dmu.ac.uk Shall fold their tents like Arabs http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw And as silently steal away" H.W. Longfellow! From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 6 14:29:59 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:29:59 BST Subject: Age Poll In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Wed, 6 Sep 1995 09:58:37 +0100 Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > On Mon, 4 Sep 1995, John.Cartledge wrote: > > > > > > > Hawkwind are doing another of their infamous all nighters at Londons Brixton > > Academy on October 21st. Porcupine Tree are one of the other acts on the bill. > > Others to be added. Would be good to see which list members are up for it. > > > > I'd go just to meet some list members, be nice to put some faces to these > names (& ages). Does anyone know of a good place to stay down there? I'm > not a great London fan (been about 3 times and have got lost on each > occasion) so having a B&B close to the venue (not usually capable of driving > after HW gigs!) would be reassuring!? I found an OK B&B off Clapham Common (about 25 mins walk from Brixton) for 25 quid a night which is cheap for 2 people. No mod cons though, just a bed and a light basically. There's about 3 of 'em on one side of the Common. They're not too hard to spot. > > Maxine FoFP From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Wed Sep 6 13:53:40 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 12:53:40 EST Subject: HW: New EP Message-ID: Is this new EP going to include the talents of Ron Bastard, or was he just used as a front man for the US tour? Also, will there be any chance of this seeing the light of day in the US? I'm thinking that if Ron is involved, this may be a departure from the HW ambient kick. Any ideas or insight? Brian From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Sep 6 14:10:13 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:10:13 -0500 Subject: who released Simon House/Yassa Sim? Message-ID: I was looking to order the new Simon House "Yassa Sim" release, and didn't know who was putting it out. This month the new Spiral Realms release "Crystal Jungles of Eos" comes out on Cleopatra; is "Yassa Sim" also on Cleopatra? Or is it on EBS? If on EBS, does anybody suspect whether Griffin will release it over here (US)? Could someone please shed some light on this? (jill?) Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 6 18:39:23 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:39:23 BST Subject: HW convention-ally In-Reply-To: Norman Beresford's message of Tue, 5 Sep 1995 21:28:19 +0100 Message-ID: > >Apparently the Hawkwind Convention is scheduled to take place at the end > >of May. > > May 96 I presume or has this message just floated through the gap due to the > collapse of part of the net tonight? > May 96 indeed - so far. This could be virtually infinitely extended of course..... > > > >PS anyone want to help fill a Hawkwind bus to Glasgow..... > > Where from and when? > Edinburgh, probably George Square area, to Glasgow Barrowlands and back on Thrusday October 12. All welcome 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 6 18:36:29 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:36:29 BST Subject: HW Isle of wight Festival In-Reply-To: Martyn Lawrence's message of Wed, 6 Sep 1995 15:40:12 EST Message-ID: > Hi > I noticed that one of the tv stations here (ABC) is > showing a film on the isle of wight festival.Has anyone seen this > and does it contain any footage of the hawks? > Yep - it's quite interesting and showed quite a lot of the problems that were going on both outside and inside the fence but the only bands featured were the official ones. I'd hoped they might focus on the music as well as the people outside the fence but they didn't. Worth watching tho' - if only to find out what times I've been living through..... It starts getting really wierd when you realise TV is showing your own life memories as historical record 8-( oops - "The Knights are closing in" - a Middle Ages quote jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Wed Sep 6 15:02:33 1995 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:02:33 CDT Subject: Robert Calvert video project (fwd) Message-ID: >Can anyone help this guy ? >Apart from getting in touch with Robert`s friends and all the other >artists who worked with him I am desperately looking out for any >additional material about him - especially films and videos, >(performances, interviews - anything) even if it has a rough quality. Well, I have the Dingwalls video which is about 135 minutes, the quality is good. Its in a small venue and Calvert does 7 or 8 HW songs with ICU. As always getting the tape transfered is a problem, so it may not be much help... Doug From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Wed Sep 6 15:11:24 1995 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:11:24 -0500 Subject: HW: cassette bonus tracks Message-ID: Can someone tell me what the three bonus tracks are on the Independent Days cassette? The Mike Lloyd Music flyer says the tracks are not on the new Independent Days vol. I & II CD. Thanks. Doug From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Wed Sep 6 16:29:26 1995 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:29:26 -0400 Subject: HW: cassette bonus tracks Message-ID: > > Can someone tell me what the three bonus tracks are on the Independent > Days cassette? The Mike Lloyd Music flyer says the tracks are not on the > new Independent Days vol. I & II CD. Thanks. > Doug > Are these allegedly not on the original Independent Days LP's either ?? [bastards, bastards,.... ;-)] Steve L. PS anybody else want to comment on the Rockin Vicars, I'm still a little leary, despite Jills sort-of-thumbs up, does Lemmy sing ?? From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 6 23:13:56 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 23:13:56 BST Subject: who released Simon House/Yassa Sim? In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Wed, 6 Sep 1995 13:10:13 -0500 Message-ID: > I was looking to order the new Simon House "Yassa Sim" release, and > didn't know who was putting it out. This month the new Spiral > Realms release "Crystal Jungles of Eos" comes out on Cleopatra; is > "Yassa Sim" also on Cleopatra? Or is it on EBS? If on EBS, does > anybody suspect whether Griffin will release it over here (US)? > > Could someone please shed some light on this? (jill?) > You called? Ah - indeed. No problem on the first query! The Yassasim CD with wierd swirly patterns on the disc that actually look more like an enlarged electron microscope photo of platelets or collagen or somethings somewhat similar which I'll leave to the microbiologists amongst us to identify more exactly I think. But I digress. The CD and its rather splendid packaging are indeed released by the Emergency Broadcast System no. EBSSCD 115. There's an address if you want to write: The Emergency Broadcast System, PO Box 6131, London, W3 8ZR. I've no idea if or when Griffin will be doing a US release - in fact if he's already got a contract with Cleopatra....... But maybe that's under Spiral Realms and therefore different. One of the more interesting Hawkwind spinoffs this one (IMO) cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 6 23:18:33 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 23:18:33 BST Subject: Wrong name - apologies Message-ID: I just realised that when I put out a call for Julian Coultard recently I called him Jason. My apologies Julian - I hope you got the message ok - Mike Holmes wanted you to contact him urgently. Thanks jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Sep 6 18:37:47 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:37:47 -0600 Subject: BOC R.I.P.?? In-Reply-To: <199508311212.IAA17246@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Aug 1995, John A Swartz wrote: > Manuel: > > You missed my previous comment on CC. I said almost exactly what you > said -- studio "Buck's Boogie" is for me worth the price of admission, > and the other two standouts IMHO were "Summer of Love" and "O.D.'d on > Life Itself". My recent point is that despite its highs, the lows on > the disc left a bad taste in many a BOC-Ler's mouth. > > John > Hey John- I see what you are saying, but let's face it; if BOC release ANYTHING, I think most of us will buy it anyways. Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 6 18:37:06 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:37:06 -0400 Subject: HW: New EP Message-ID: >>>>Is this new EP going to include the talents of Ron Bastard, or was he just used as a front man for the US tour?<<<<< ron was hired for the tour only,but speaking to him,he says he is here to stay.other involved parties who shall remain nameless say he is not.the alien concept is his,and richard c. told me in a letter "there are a lot of wild spacy parts due to the input of mr.tree" imo this album (alien) may help to decide his hw future. rj From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Sep 6 18:33:01 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:33:01 -0400 Subject: HW convention-ally Message-ID: >>>>All welcome 8-) jill<<<<< jill,this is ron in the U.S. my wife and i intend to travel to this con if it happens.could you please keep me posted as to any news on this?i would be very grateful. ron jennings- rjpxr5 at aol.com From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Wed Sep 6 18:48:31 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:48:31 -0400 Subject: Age Poll Message-ID: Name: Albert Thomas Bouchard (for both my grandpas - Al Bouchard and Tom Ryan) Age:48 (but I don't feel 1/2 bad - Bloom's 51!) Handle:Al Reside:NYC E-Mail Address:wk06705 at worldlink.com Primary Band: I like all music First Time Seen Live: So long ago I can't remember Last Seen Live: Ritz, NYC when Jimmie Wilcox did his best Al B Best Gigs: Club Toast 1995, O'Bs 1994, Old Waldorf,SF 1982, Paramont Theater, Seattle 1775 First Album heard: Hey Let's Twist, Joey Dee & the Starlighters First Album bought: Walk Don't Run, the Ventures Ritual Favorite Album: Led Zep 4 Last album purchased: Complete Robert Johnson You Familiar with the Other Band?:yes Times seen Hawkwind:1 Times seen BOC:oo (beyond measurement) Most Memorable HW Moment: Arguing with Lemmy over not moving my drums back when Moterhead opened for BOC at Hammersmith. (I moved back) Most Memorable BOC Moment: Watching my father look at the croud while BOC played at the Art Center in Saratoga (Weather Report opened) From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Sep 7 12:48:11 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 16:48:11 +0000 Subject: HW Isle of wight Festival In-Reply-To: <9509060540.AA01190@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Sep 1995, Martyn Lawrence wrote: > I noticed that one of the tv stations here (ABC) is > showing a film on the isle of wight festival.Has anyone seen this > and does it contain any footage of the hawks? Damn! I meant to watch that last night but plumb forgot all about it! Did you catch it? Did you see HW out the front ? Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Sep 7 12:50:41 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 16:50:41 +0000 Subject: http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ifoundhw.html (fwd) Message-ID: Hey Guys! Someone down here as a copy of WOTEOT ... anyone want it? Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 06 Sep 95 18:47:18 -2400 From: John Hvass To: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au Subject: http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ifoundhw.html If you're interested in selling Warrior on the Edge of Time for AUD$50, let me know. From rbwelch at NETCOM.COM Thu Sep 7 04:31:40 1995 From: rbwelch at NETCOM.COM (Robert B. Welch) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 01:31:40 -0700 Subject: BOC in San Francisco Message-ID: Just got back from the show. The highlight of the evening for me came after a devastatingly good "Astronomy". Buck and Allen brought out stools and acoustic guitars and played "In Thee". The crowd loved it and sang along. I think Allen doesn't get enough recognition for his contributions. Also got to hear, for the first time in a long time, "Buck's Boogie" and "Dominance & Submission". Eric mentioned the upcoming release in about two weeks of the boxed set by Sony, but didn't give any specifics as to what it would contain. I didn't catch the name of the new bassist, but someone said he had been with the band for only three weeks. I wore earplugs this time, and will have to get used to the way the music sounds with them in. (But at least, I'll be able to hear normal levels of sound tommorrow). Now must sleep for this morning is the start of another work day. Robert Welch +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Show me your portfolio! Lie to me about your family!" Cmdr. Ivanova, Babylon 5, having "sex". rbwelch at netcom.com From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Sep 7 09:40:20 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 09:40:20 BST Subject: HW: cassette bonus tracks In-Reply-To: Stephen Lindsey's message of Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:29:26 -0400 Message-ID: > does Lemmy sing ?? Does he ever? :-) ;-) Dave. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Sep 7 09:42:38 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 09:42:38 BST Subject: HW: New EP In-Reply-To: RJPXR5@aol.com's message of Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:37:06 -0400 Message-ID: > ron was hired for the tour only,but speaking to him,he says he is > here to stay.other involved parties who shall remain nameless say > he is not. On the Radio 1 session, Dave introduced Ron as one of the members of the band, whereas Jerry (surname?) was introduced as a guest guitarist. This may not mean very much... Dave. From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Thu Sep 7 07:05:50 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 07:05:50 -0400 Subject: BOC CDs, was Re: BOC We gotta get out.... Message-ID: Hi all, A couple of things about BOC CDs that have recently come to my notice, maybe some has some idea(s)? Firstly, I took the plunge and bought a copy of the only official BOC release I didn't have - Live 1976 - and I must say it's every bit as bad as everything I read about it!! It is worth getting for the completist type of fan. I'm glad I've got it as it's got (official) live versions of a coupple of tracks (Summer of Love & Stairway to the Stars). Still it only cost 6 pounds. Secondly, I was in Tower in London yesterday and saw and bought a copy of BOC (1st album) to replace my vinyl copy. I don't know what anyone else thinks, but I think the vinyl sounds better. Maybe the CD master was not done very well. The levels seem to fluctuate on the vocals and the treble, especially on Workshop OTT, the main reason I bought it. The guitar solo before the last verse suddenly seems to surge at the end. Maybe I,m being too picky or imagining things (oo have a duff pressing). All too often record companies rip off fans wanting to buy replacements for thier old LPs by just shoving out a sub-standard version on the CD. This is why I'm hoping the tracks on the WOTT compilation have been re-mastered or at minimum the original master tapes have been used. Sorry to ramble, anyone else got any thoughts, what's _your_ copy of the first album on CD like? .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Sep 7 18:17:07 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 22:17:07 +0000 Subject: HW: Review - Astounding Message-ID: Record Review: Hawkwind 'Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music' ---------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: I've done this a few times now, but I still have *NO* literary talent whatsoever! In fact it's getting harder as I go :-( My humble opinion is mine, and no-one elses! I do know what I like though, and that means HAWKWIND! Any reference to record labels & catalog numbers reflects what my copy is, and is not necessarily the only (or original) release. Artist/s: Hawkwind Title: Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music Label/Cat#: Charisma 9124 002 1st Release: 1976 Lineup: Dave Brock, Bob Calvert, Simon House, Paul Rudolph, J Mandelkav (????), Alan Powell The seventh release by Hawkwind leaves one stunned. My first reaction to this album was one of incedulity ..... this wasn't Hawkwind! My first reaction was not correct however, and this LP does shine in it's own way. Taken in chronological order, you could be excused for thinking that Space Rock died with Lemmy's departure (ejection) from the band. It's a good thing that this history repaired this rift in space-time and it was reborn (not too much) later. Don't be put off by my opening remarks however! This album, allthough totally different than anything else that Hawkwind has done, is top quality and in hindsight - probably a vital turn in Hawkwind's development. Hawkwind were not supposed to be after the release of the previous album, their 'swan song' "Warrior on the Edge of Time". But still they continued. With this release we see a shift to a new record label, and the greatest involvement yet of poet Calvert. Most of this album was written by him, and it shows in the quality of lyrics (where they exist). Finally, the musical aspect of this album technically surpasses anything that they had done before. ASAM opens with the sounds of an approaching steam train as an introduction to "Reefer Madness", a track warning of the dangers of the 'monster stalking the streets' ..... marijuana (slight change in attitude there!) This was, quite a few years ago, one of my favourite bits of Hawkwind, but is in no way comparable to any of the classic Hawkwind tracks. The absolute gem of the LP, "Steppenwolf" follows. This still is, and always will be, one of my top ten. Hawkwind are obviously taking story telling seriously now, replacing their previous raw energy with lyrical power. This track has a great rythym guitar melody, and an effective combination of Turner's sax and House's vilion to portray an image of a man-wolf stalking the streets of London or the Scottish moors. "City of Lagoons" is a slow instrumental which allows Hawkwind's musical ability to really stand out, whereas "The Aubergine that ate Rangoon" has a 'funkier' feel to it. "Kerb Crawler" is so damn near commercial 70's pop/rock it's not funny! Cruising the streets in a Pony car picking up chicks is hardly a typical Hawkwind theme, but at least it's catchy. The sounds of the wind during "Kadu Flyer" almost make you feel like you are somewhere in the Himalayan mountains. The cheerful keyboards and drum work, joyful lyrics, and 'Indian' sounding sax and bells all add to the effect. The album concludes with "Chronoglide Skyway", a hopeful, dreamy instrumental. This would have to be the most difficult Hawkwind release to review. It is a good (great ?) album that should not be compared to any other Hawkwind release. Fans of "Space Ritual" may hate it or love it - who knows! If you only intend to ever buy one or two Hawkwind LP's, you would probably give this one a miss. Every one else should give it a spin (or three). I know that I wouldn't part with it, and if all else fails ...... it does include Steppenwolf! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Sep 7 18:17:43 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 22:17:43 +0000 Subject: HW: Review - Quark Message-ID: Record Review: Hawkwind 'Quark, Strangeness and Charm' ------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: I've done this a few times now, but I still have *NO* literary talent whatsoever! In fact it's getting harder as I go :-( My humble opinion is mine, and no-one elses! I do know what I like though, and that means HAWKWIND! Any reference to record labels & catalog numbers reflects what my copy is, and is not necessarily the only (or original) release. Artist/s: Hawkwind Title: Quark, Strangeness and Charm Label/Cat#: Charisma 9124 012 1st Release: 1977 Lineup: Bob Calvert, Dave Brock, Simon House, Adrian Shaw, Simon King The last LP, 'Astounding', we noted (sadly?) Lemmy's abscence. This time, it's Nik Turner who is missing. Not to worry, this is one of Hawkwind's greatest! We are back in space with QS&C - but this time with a sense of humour! Like 'Mountain Grill', this is more approachable music than earlier Hawkwind, with catchier, softer tunes - but with a space theme. The cover of the album gives away the science/space theme ... the control room of a Nuclear Power plant, complete with (emitted from a switch lever ?) Laser beams and strange green glowing crytals! "Spirit of the Age" is, without doubt, one of the most brilliant tracks which Calvert ever penned for Hawkwind. The opening samples taken from 'Mission Control' lead us out into space .... but not as 'Masters of the Universe'. This is the tale of a space pilot clone's barely functional sex-slave android, and his longing for the flesh and blood woman left back on earth that it was meant to replace. "Damnation Alley" (based on Roger Zelzany's book) is a raunchy, up tempo piece about travel through the remnants of the USA after a nuclear holocaust (complete with Air Raid sirens), while "Fable of failed race" is a mournful tale of ...... a failed alien race! Side two begins with a boppy (yes - I said 'boppy') jingle (!) about the antics, trials and tribulations of histories greatest minds, and their apparent lack of knowledge of the power and importance of "Quark, Strangeness and Charm", especially when it comes to picking up women! The middle eastern sounds behind "Hassan I Sahba" (later known as 'Assassins of Allah') combine with the power of Hawkwind rock which we all know and love, but I have to admit being a little disappointed with the instrumental synth track "The Forge of Vulcan". But hey - no LP is perfect ..... except maybe SR! "Days of the Underground" laments the loss of the independance experienced by 60's protesters & freedom fighters etc. I think. This segue's into the short final track, "Iron Dream" which (to me at least) gives the impression that there is more to come ........ That was the shortest review ever (but I did say that it was getting harder). All I can say is - if you don't have it, get it. Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Thu Sep 7 09:20:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 08:20:00 -0500 Subject: BOC Message-ID: The past few days I have been listening to some classic live BOC (Cleveland 73', Academy of Music 12/31/73, Paris 75') and I really noticed that back then there was a real spontaneity to the performance. On numerous occassions, the jamminng just seem to go on. Several songs were quite extended. It seems now, the band is much more focused, and the songs all seem to have a tighter format, but at least for me, they lose something. I guess it is now, the version are all played pretty much the same and back then you didn't know if Cities on Flame would be 4 min or 10 min or if This ain't the Summer of love would go into a massive guitar jam or not. Same with ME 262. I just hope that the Workshop of Telescopes is remastered and has some unreleased material. I for one, will be very disappointed it if is just another hits package. Charlie had mentioned that the first BOC lp sounded better than the lp. I have avoided buying CD's from almost all of the classic rock acts of the late 60's and 70's so far, as it seems like many of them have not been remastered and sound really bad as compared to the lps. Some prime examples are Jefferson Airplane- Volunteers and Led Zeppelin-1. The pressings of these CD's up until just a few years ago were so muddy...... It seems like they are rereleasing whole catalogs that are remastered now (Elton John, Led Zeppelin,etc) so the best sounding ones will come out someday. Scott P.S. Sorry for the long diatribe... From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 7 08:31:57 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 08:31:57 -0400 Subject: BOC CDs, was Re: BOC We gotta get out.... Message-ID: I never had the vinyl for BOC's 1st album (but I did have it on 8-track!), so I'm not sure, but my understanding is that all of Columbia's BOC CD releases where NOT re-mastered in any way - so while I can't say for sure that the CDs might sound worse, they probably sound no better than a brand new piece of vinyl. Hopefully, WOTT will at least offer us that. John PS: We warned you about "Live 1976" . . . From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Sep 7 14:43:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 14:43:00 BST-1 Subject: HW: Review - Quark Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Record Review: Hawkwind 'Quark, Strangeness and Charm' > catchier, softer tunes - but with a space theme. The cover of the album > gives > away the science/space theme ... the control room of a Nuclear Power > plant, I'm virtually certain it's Battersea Power Station, which was coal-fired. (Many will know it best as the building on the cover of _Animals_). Picky! :) - Andy PS I'm surprised at an Australian using a French pseudonym these days :) From mbraun at HYDRA.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM Thu Sep 7 11:06:03 1995 From: mbraun at HYDRA.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 10:06:03 CDT Subject: BOC CDs, was Re: BOC We gotta get out.... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 07 Sep 95 08:31:57 EDT." <199509071231.IAA10783@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: John A. Swartz writes: >[...] but my understanding is that all of Columbia's BOC >CD releases where NOT re-mastered in any way - so while I can't say for >sure that the CDs might sound worse, they probably sound no better than >a brand new piece of vinyl. Hopefully, WOTT will at least offer us that. Actually, they will sound worse than the LP if no re-mastering was done. I believe that "RIAA equalization" (EQ needed to compensate for vinyl's abilities to reproduce certain freq's better than others) is applied to the LP master tape--not built into the cutter. As such, any CD made from a vinyl master tape will sound weird because it will be produced with an EQ that is transparent on vinyl, but audible on CD. m@ +-mbraun at urbana.mcd.mot.com-+--Experiments that failed too many times -----BOC+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Transformations that were too hard to find | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Poison's in my bloodstream, poison's in my pride| +---Special Projects Team---+--- I'm after rebellion, I'll settle for lies----+ From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Sep 7 12:10:00 1995 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 09:10:00 PDT Subject: BOC CDs, was Re: BOC We gotta get out.... Message-ID: AB Responds: >Firstly, I took the plunge and bought a copy of the only >official BOC release I didn't have - Live 1976 - and I must >say it's every bit as bad as everything I read about it!! >It is worth getting for the completist type of fan. I'm glad >I've got it as it's got (official) live versions of a coupple >of tracks (Summer of Love & Stairway to the Stars). Still it >only cost 6 pounds. Yeah I know what you mean. I first bought the video and was appalled at the sound quality. Once I found the CD was available I felt surely the real BOC sound would emerge from the CD, it had to be better than the video. Wrongo, it was just as bad or worse. I paid $16 US for mine and had to wait two weeks while it was ordered. The only portion of this thing that is worth collecting is the sleeve. Really pissed me off since the video was made at my local venue the Captial Center. >Secondly, I was in Tower in London yesterday and saw and bought >a copy of BOC (1st album) to replace my vinyl copy. I don't >know what anyone else thinks, but I think the vinyl sounds >better. I recently bought some old Triumph CDs and on them were a disclaimer saying they were produced from the analog recording therefore there would be some "hissing" in the backgound. Sort of an unessesarry evil I suppose. If you can stand the hissing the sound is pretty good (My system isn't that great anyway so I'm used to it.). Still I wish they would go back to vinyl. Most of my BOC is on vinyl and people are amazed to see these things in such primo shape. Can't say much for the album coverrs but the records themseleves pretty much look brand new. >All too often record companies rip off fans wanting to buy >replacements for thier old LPs by just shoving out a sub-standard >version on the CD. >This is why I'm hoping the tracks on the WOTT compilation have >been re-mastered or at minimum the original master tapes have been >used. Ah yes the record company ripoff, just one of the many ways they get us. This is why when I search for my old classics I try to see if it is a remastered version (both tape and cd). Would imagine that WOTT will be completely remastered before pressing them to discs. If not I wonder how thirty year old music is going to sound. Would be much better than the 1976 ripoff and we are all planning to buy it anyway, so maybe the point is a bit moot. From sop04afw at GOLD.AC.UK Thu Sep 7 11:45:50 1995 From: sop04afw at GOLD.AC.UK (yuri gagarin) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 16:45:50 +0100 Subject: A fruitless search In-Reply-To: <199509052028.VAA20975@earth.ftech.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Sep 1995, Norman Beresford wrote: > >>From the official postcard, the Alien tour dates: > >4/9/95 Area 54 release. > Spent today ringing round the various record shops in London. HMV has it > down for release on the 11th. Virgin had it down as released but as none of > their shops had it (including the Oxford street Megastore) the person I > spoke to said it's release date must have been put back. Our Price had > nothing about it period. Same goes for Tower. Having done exactly the same yeast & toady i came up with same responses (incl. the 11th date from the delectable woman at the info point) but think i've sussed out wtfigo: tower told me their delivery day for singles is mondays - prob the same for others, the 'charts' being revealed to an impatient nation(?!) on sundays. so i reckon that although the release date was this monday, it'll arrive at the shops next monday (logistics etc.). as to places to stay near brixton, well living in the locale (until next friday anyway - timing or wot?) b&b's don't spring to mind but i know of a cheap *looking* hotel in camberwell - the area next to brixton, just down coldharbour lane. I'll find out the prices in the next few days and get the info back. i'll be staying over at friends but am not too sure how delighted they would be if descended upon by a group of hawkfans. Maybe it'll be an idea to think this through nearer the time, but it might be an idea to meet up b4 the gig if some folks aren't to familiar with london 'cos i know my round pretty well. Also, saw a harvey bainbridge cd tadoy, "interstellar (chaos? or something-or-other)" anyone know what it's like? yg/afw From FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG Thu Sep 7 13:26:07 1995 From: FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG (DAVID FURST) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 11:26:07 -0600 Subject: This is a call Message-ID: To borrow the Foo Fighters song title - This is a call, and impassioned at that, for all those who ordered Nethawk t-shirts to get your money in the mail to this guy - I am mailing mine today over the lunch hour. Let's not leave this guy hanging - As I understand it - the shirts will not be printed until enough $$$'s show up. For those on the northern half of the planet - cold weather is not that far off, and I for one would like to wear the shirt a few times before the snow starts falling. Thank you for your attention. Now we return to our regular list-programming. Mr. Boy From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 7 17:53:26 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:53:26 BST Subject: A fruitless search In-Reply-To: yuri gagarin's message of Thu, 7 Sep 1995 16:45:50 +0100 Message-ID: > > Also, saw a harvey bainbridge cd tadoy, "interstellar (chaos? or > something-or-other)" anyone know what it's like? > I've got it - even played it a few times in an attempt to get to like it but remained disappointed. It's basically unstructured space-wash with a few good moments but not enough to build your collection around. It may yet turn out to be one of life's minor rarities tho' so if you see it for a reasonable price it might be worth Quietly Kollecting.... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 7 17:56:31 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:56:31 BST Subject: HW convention-ally In-Reply-To: RJPXR5@aol.com's message of Wed, 6 Sep 1995 18:33:01 -0400 Message-ID: > >>>>All welcome 8-) > > > jill<<<<< > jill,this is ron in the U.S. > my wife and i intend to travel to this con if it happens.could you please > keep me posted as to any news on this?i would be very grateful. ron jennings- > rjpxr5 at aol.com will do! And hopefully, if it does come off....., there'll be a mite more advertising than is normally put out in advance of a Hawkwind production! jill (living hopefully) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 7 18:11:56 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:11:56 BST Subject: This is a call In-Reply-To: DAVID FURST's message of Thu, 7 Sep 1995 11:26:07 -0600 Message-ID: DAVID FURST writes: > To borrow the Foo Fighters song title - This is a call, and > impassioned at that, for all those who ordered Nethawk t-shirts to get > your money in the mail to this guy - I am mailing mine today over the > lunch hour. Let's not leave this guy hanging - As I understand it - > the shirts will not be printed until enough $$$'s show up. I should state at this point that this was not my original intention. However, the older denizens of this list will remember that I was ripped off for a substantial sum by another list member in a previous trade. I was willing to write that off as an unhappy none-off incident and continue as before. However, the past few months have produced another situation which could go the same way. Someone from the list has an outstanding debt from a trade and may be ignoring mail from me to get it settled. Hopefully that's not the case and there's some other problem which we can settle soon. For that reason I won't publish details here until I'm satisfied that there isn't some other explanation. Meanwhile however I'm going to have to conclude that an overtrusting nature may have led me to this position twice and adopt the more strict position that only those I've previously traded with or people vouched for by such will be dealt with on a "pay me soonish when you can" basis. By this I don't mean to imply that anyone is untrustworthy. I mean only to protect myself to a better degree than I have previously. I'm as disappointed as anyone that this is necessary, but I guess the Real World doesn't always match up to idealism. I'm sorry that makes the tshirts deal slower but hopefully most folks will take the reminder as a gentle hint to find an envelope. > Mr. Boy FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 7 16:10:09 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 16:10:09 -0400 Subject: Chuck Burgi leaves BOC??? Message-ID: ROBODUDE has reported in Underbelly Online that Chuck Burgi is leaving BOC to join Greg Smith in Rainbow. Replacing him will be former Rainbow drummer, John O' Reilly. Apparently the bands have swapped drummers? Any more info on this recent development? ROBO? Anyone? John From NSTK33A at PRODIGY.COM Thu Sep 7 15:30:34 1995 From: NSTK33A at PRODIGY.COM (ROB MAERZ) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 15:30:34 -0400 Subject: Underbelly Updates Message-ID: -- [ From: Rob Maerz * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- busy week for U.O. - * Stairway - Chuck Burgi leaves, FAQ ver 2 arrives...links to Deep Purple and Rainbow Homepages, take the UO poll... * Lips - Interview with Tommy Zvoncheck part 1, polls, articles, gig reviews, and Who Is Ron McCoy? ROBODUDE ______________________________________________________ Q: What's a BOC Web site 2 cheap to have a BOC logo on it? A: Underbelly Online! http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html message boards, tape trades, links and library (coming soon!) ______________________________________________________ From Mitch.Goldman at TURNER.COM Thu Sep 7 17:53:45 1995 From: Mitch.Goldman at TURNER.COM (Mitch Goldman) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 16:53:45 -0500 Subject: This is a call Message-ID: Mike writes... I'm as disappointed as anyone that this is necessary, but I guess the Real World doesn't always match up to idealism. I'm sorry that makes the tshirts deal slower but hopefully most folks will take the reminder as a gentle hint to find an envelope. Well, I sent my money *weeks* ago and am awaiting the shirt breathlessly so those of you who haven't sent money yet...PLEASE don't ruin it for those of us who have...thanks. Mitch mitch.goldman at turner.com From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Thu Sep 7 16:45:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 15:45:00 -0500 Subject: BOC CDs, was Re: BOC We gotta get out.... Message-ID: Charles the Grinning boy says: -> Sorry to ramble, anyone else got any thoughts, what's _your_ copy of -> the first album on CD like? BOC's first album is a strange one for me. I bought it on vinyl 100 years ago when I first started getting into BOC. I remember not liking it very much. A friend of mine saw it laying in my collection and asked about it so I traded it to him for a vinyl of Nazareth's "Rampant" album (and an excellent album it is). A few years later, I was REALLY into BOC again and went to find the album and could only find cassette. Bought that one too. Then when the CD's started hitting the market I was a worshiper of BOC and had to have EVERYTHING on CD, so I got it on CD. BOC's first is the ONLY album I've had on record, tape, and CD. IMHO, the tape sounds MUCH BETTER than the record, with the CD sounding only marginally better than the tape. As far as I'm concerned, my vinyl copy sounded absolutely horrible! Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Sep 7 18:32:51 1995 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:32:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Review - Astounding In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Sep 1995, Paul Ward wrote: > Title: Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music > Lineup: Dave Brock, Bob Calvert, Simon House, Paul Rudolph, > J Mandelkav (????), Alan Powell [snip] > Hawkwind are obviously taking story telling seriously now, replacing > their previous raw energy with lyrical power. This track has a great > rhythm guitar melody, and an effective combination of Turner's sax and ^^^^^^^^^^^^? > House's vilion to portray an image of a man-wolf stalking the streets > of London or the Scottish moors. Then may I assume that J. Mandelkav was just some weird pseudonym for Nik? Damon From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Sep 8 00:29:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 00:29:00 BST-1 Subject: HW: Review - Astounding Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Then may I assume that J. Mandelkav was just some weird pseudonym for > Nik? > > Damon Jamie Mandelkau (a real person) was associated with the Deviants (and thus an old colleague of Paul Rudolph's). He co-wrote "Jamie's Song" on the Deviants' _Disposable_. BUT I've always understood that Turner did co-write "Kadu Flyer", and it was some legal deal that meant he borrowed Jamie's name on the credits (a la "Silver Machine" as by Calvert/MacManus). I think different pressings may have different credits for this track. E.g., on my old vinyl of _Astounding_, KF is credited Calvert/House/Mandelkau. However, Nik is credited on the inner sleeve - "Monsieur Nik Turner presente pour vous... #1015 SEXSE BEAUCOUP: Ooh... la... la! It's the sheath creation that has all Frenchmen frantic!" Etc, etc... (Also "PAUL RUDOLPH MANLY STRAP-ON". And "Doctor Brock's Atomic Pile Preparations." And "Simon House School of Music - Play Right Away!" And so on...) - Andy From NSTK33A at PRODIGY.COM Thu Sep 7 19:10:42 1995 From: NSTK33A at PRODIGY.COM (ROB MAERZ) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:10:42 -0400 Subject: Chuck Burgi leaves BOC??? Message-ID: -- [ From: Rob Maerz * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- further info on Chuck's departure will be presented as soon as Fartknocker posts them to AOL... ROBODUDE ______________________________________________________ Q: What's a BOC Web site 2 cheap to have a BOC logo on it? A: Underbelly Online! http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html message boards, tape trades, links and library (coming soon!) ______________________________________________________ -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > Date: Thursday, 07-Sep-95 04:09 PM > > From: John A Swartz \ Internet: (jswartz at mbunix.mitre.org) > To: Rob Maerz \ PRODIGY: (NSTK33A) > > Subject: Chuck Burgi leaves BOC??? > > ROBODUDE has reported in Underbelly Online that Chuck Burgi is leaving BOC > to join Greg Smith in Rainbow. Replacing him will be former Rainbow > drummer, John O' Reilly. Apparently the bands have swapped drummers? > > Any more info on this recent development? ROBO? Anyone? > > John > > > -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Fri Sep 8 11:32:22 1995 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 10:32:22 EST Subject: HW Isle of wight Festival In-Reply-To: ; from "Paul Ward" at Sep 7, 95 04:48:11 pm Message-ID: > > On Wed, 6 Sep 1995, Martyn Lawrence wrote: > > > I noticed that one of the tv stations here (ABC) is > > showing a film on the isle of wight festival.Has anyone seen this > > and does it contain any footage of the hawks? > > Damn! I meant to watch that last night but plumb forgot all about it! > > Did you catch it? Did you see HW out the front ? > Well I taped it,but haven't watched it ,someone replied that the HAwks weren't shown at all,it was broadcast on the tv in the uk afew weeks ago. But thats the Spirit of the age ;-) I tried to copy a tape on my mates video last night but the quality was crap, so I hopefully will grap his new video tonight. regards marty From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Sep 7 23:59:55 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 23:59:55 -0400 Subject: BOC Message-ID: Scott, As much as I enjoyed the Labor Day show, the same thought crossed my mind, too - It wouldn't hurt if they did something a little less predictable. Some kind of jam would have been cool. I don't see why they don't do the old 5 Guitar jams anymore... That would be great. Or maybe work "Born To Be Wild back" in. Well, the acoustic thing was a step in the right direction, maybe we'll have some more surprises soon... Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Sep 8 00:11:39 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 00:11:39 -0400 Subject: HW: Review - Astounding Message-ID: Paul - I took "Kerb Crawler" not to just be about any guy out on the street picking up chicks, but about a pimp in particular, a smooth-talkin', vain sorta guy. I think Calvert is sort of making fun of that whole scene... Chuck From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Fri Sep 8 08:32:49 1995 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:32:49 BST Subject: A fruitless search Message-ID: On Tue 5 Sep 1995, Norman Beresford wrote: ----- Begin Included Message ----- > >>From the official postcard, the Alien tour dates: > >4/9/95 Area 54 release. > Spent today ringing round the various record shops in London. HMV has it > down for release on the 11th. Virgin had it down as released but as none of > their shops had it (including the Oxford street Megastore) the person I > spoke to said it's release date must have been put back. Our Price had > nothing about it period. Same goes for Tower. ----- End Included Message ----- On Monday ( the original release date ) I called into the local branch of Our Price but Area 51 wasn't in stock. The guy behind the counter phoned the distributor who told him that it had been held back until 8 Sep so it should be out today!! Cheers, Keith From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Fri Sep 8 04:11:55 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 04:11:55 -0400 Subject: Chuck Burgi leaves BOC??? Message-ID: John says: >ROBODUDE has reported in Underbelly Online that Chuck Burgi is leaving >BOC to join Greg Smith in Rainbow. Replacing him will be former Rainbow >drummer, John O' Reilly. Apparently the bands have swapped drummers? Does this mean the proposed BOC European, November, excursion will be supporting Rainbow??? Rainbow have two London gigs scheduled in Nov, one is already sold out. If both shows sell out, and BOC are there, then I'm going to be pretty t'd off as I have no inclination to travel all the way to London to see Ritchie Blackmore play in an oversized aircraft hanger!!! But if BOC were there, well I could see 'em, and get home OK. Does anyone have any more info about their European dates?? .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Sep 8 17:13:52 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 21:13:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Review - Quark In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I'm virtually certain it's Battersea Power Station, which was coal-fired. > (Many will know it best as the building on the cover of _Animals_). I just assumed it was nuclear (due to the album content) > Picky! :) Not at all .... you could have commented on my (lack) of descriptive ability instead! > PS I'm surprised at an Australian using a French pseudonym these days :) What - and be perceived as politically correct? Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Fri Sep 8 07:01:18 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 07:01:18 -0400 Subject: WOTT release date Message-ID: Not long now until the Workshop OTT double CD release. The date mentioned on here, 29th Sep (I think), is presumably the US date. Does anyone have any idea if it is scheduled for UK release either, on that date or, ever? Or will us poor islanders have to shell out mega-bucks for an import copy? .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Sep 8 17:22:40 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 21:22:40 +0000 Subject: HW: Review - Astounding In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Sep 1995, Damon C Capehart wrote: > On Thu, 7 Sep 1995, Paul Ward wrote: > > Title: Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music > > Lineup: Dave Brock, Bob Calvert, Simon House, Paul Rudolph, > > J Mandelkav (????), Alan Powell > > rhythm guitar melody, and an effective combination of Turner's sax and > ^^^^^^^^^^^^? > > House's vilion to portray an image of a man-wolf stalking the streets > > of London or the Scottish moors. > > Then may I assume that J. Mandelkav was just some weird pseudonym for Nik? Possibly - I don't know! This album (at least my copy) has no liner notes at all, and I took the list of 'players' from the song credits on the record label itself. Given HW's history of 'he who wrote it sang it', I assume that one J. Mandelkav performed on the LP, but he may have only been involved in writing the piece (Kadu Flyer). Turner is missing form my list of band member's only because he is not credited with having written any of the tracks. When I wrote the body of the review, I mentioned his sax because it was obviously present! Now .... Can any more enlightened Hawkfans out there fill us poor confused souls in? Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Sep 8 17:25:18 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 21:25:18 +0000 Subject: HW: Review - Astounding In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > E.g., on my old vinyl of _Astounding_, KF is credited > Calvert/House/Mandelkau. > > However, Nik is credited on the inner sleeve - "Monsieur Nik Turner > presente pour vous... #1015 SEXSE BEAUCOUP: Ooh... la... la! It's the > sheath creation that has all Frenchmen frantic!" Etc, etc... > > (Also "PAUL RUDOLPH MANLY STRAP-ON". And "Doctor Brock's Atomic Pile > Preparations." And "Simon House School of Music - Play Right Away!" And > so on...) Could someone on the list who has both a scanner AND the inner sleeve whip up a GIF file or something? I'd plumb forgotten that this LP was supposed to include some 'adverts'! PAul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Sep 8 17:28:46 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 21:28:46 +0000 Subject: HW Isle of wight Festival In-Reply-To: <9509080032.AA10513@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: > Well I taped it,but haven't watched it ,someone replied that the HAwks weren't > shown at all,it was broadcast on the tv in the uk afew weeks ago. > But thats the Spirit of the age ;-) Actually, I wrote that reply to your message, turned off the PC, picked up the TV guide and discovered that it was just about to start! I hadn't missed it at all! I watched about half an hour of it ... decided that there wasn't much chance of seeing the Hawks on the tube ..... and read my book instead! > I tried to copy a tape on my mates video last night but the quality was crap, > so I hopefully will grap his new video tonight. Hope so! See you tommorrow regards Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Sep 8 17:39:58 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 21:39:58 +0000 Subject: HW: Review - Astounding In-Reply-To: <01HV0I13OZZK9D4JVS@delphi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Sep 1995 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > Paul - I took "Kerb Crawler" not to just be about any guy out > on the street picking up chicks, but about a pimp in > particular, a smooth-talkin', vain sorta guy. I think Calvert > is sort of making fun of that whole scene... You could be right about the pimp thing ... I'll have to have a closer listen. You are also right about the poking fun bit ... but it still comes across as a 70's rock/pop track to a large degree (but heck - I still like it!) Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Fri Sep 8 07:46:04 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 12:46:04 +0100 Subject: HW: Review - Astounding In-Reply-To: <01HV0I13OZZK9D4JVS@delphi.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Sep 1995 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > Paul - I took "Kerb Crawler" not to just be about any guy out > on the street picking up chicks, but about a pimp in > particular, a smooth-talkin', vain sorta guy. I think Calvert > is sort of making fun of that whole scene... Single Mesh Gearbox Chuck Overhead Cam Mohair motorised wolf L-L-L-L-Looking for lambs nothing to do with New Zealand sheep farmer in tractors after all then? Maxinbe p.s. FM Radio Kerb Crawler White side walls with grooves Kerb Crawler So fast he hardly moves Kerb Crawler He really approves of Your high heels clicking Like a pair of cloven hooves Excuse Me Lady Are you looking for a lift? I ain't going nowhere special I'm just out on the drift I'll take you anywhere you want Drop you outside your door I might drive us down the Autobahn With my foot right to the floor Fandago insect in the skyscraper shade He's a night-city mantis In the neon parade Come on, come on From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Sep 8 12:53:16 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 12:53:16 BST Subject: HW: Review - Astounding In-Reply-To: Paul Ward's message of Thu, 7 Sep 1995 22:17:07 +0000 Message-ID: > "Kerb Crawler" is so damn near commercial 70's pop/rock it's not > funny! This was mixed by Dave Gilmour, I think. Dave. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Sep 8 08:15:32 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:15:32 -0400 Subject: BOC CDs, was Re: BOC We gotta get out.... In-Reply-To: <199509071506.KAA24401@hydra.urbana.mcd.mot.com> from "Matthew Braun" at Sep 7, 95 10:06:03 am Message-ID: Matthew Braun writes: > Actually, they will sound worse than the LP if no re-mastering was done. > > I believe that "RIAA equalization" (EQ needed to compensate for vinyl's > abilities to reproduce certain freq's better than others) is applied to the > LP master tape--not built into the cutter. As such, any CD made from a > vinyl master tape will sound weird because it will be produced with an EQ > that is transparent on vinyl, but audible on CD. That is correct. Pre-amps have an RIAA equalisation stage built into their phono input. This "removes" the RIAA equalisation encoded on the vinyl, so that it will sound accurate through your speakers. So, like listening to a cassette recorded using Dolby B or C without Dolby selected, it will sound "funny" if the equalisation process is not reversed. (As in the case of vinyl played through a CD input.) Some of the early Hawkwind CDs sound to me as if they are just dumps of the vinyl masters onto CD. (_Chronicle of the Black Sword_ springs to mind.) I have always wondered, however, whether these CDs would sound better if the CD player were plugged instead into the phono input of the amplifier... Just a thought, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, "Terrible Day", _It Just Is_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From sop04afw at GOLD.AC.UK Fri Sep 8 08:23:29 1995 From: sop04afw at GOLD.AC.UK (yuri gagarin) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:23:29 +0100 Subject: londinium accomodatium Message-ID: okay, so if anyone *is* looking for relatively cheap accom near brixton (and i haffta admit i have no ide what is cheap afa hotels go), the dome hotel in camberwell (c-well church st.) is having a 'room sale': 25p per night. tel no: 0171-703 5262. the bonus is zara's kitchen an *amazing* indian restaurant which is on the corner of the hothell: c.5-7p for enormous amounts of mouth-watering food. t-shirts: i'll have a tenner in the post in the next 7 days (delay due to moving house etc.) astounding: steppenwolf on the yorks moors/scots mtns? hmm, more whatever nocturnal situation mr hesse set la book in. personally i think this is one of cap'n bob's crowning glories. having read the book, i don't think it really adds anything not suggested by the song ;) (obbtw: am currently trying to use the glass bead game as a metaphor for c-space in my research and it is DOING MY HEAD IN) yg From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Sep 8 08:36:45 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:36:45 -0400 Subject: HW: Review - Astounding In-Reply-To: <8575.9509081153@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Sep 8, 95 12:53:16 pm Message-ID: > > > "Kerb Crawler" is so damn near commercial 70's pop/rock it's not > > funny! > > This was mixed by Dave Gilmour, I think. > > Dave. > Dave thinks correctly. It was Dave Gilmour that produced that track. -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Sep 8 13:37:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:37:00 BST-1 Subject: HW: Review - Astounding Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Now .... Can any more enlightened Hawkfans out there fill us poor > confused souls in? OK, the full line-up is: Monsieur Nik of Hollywood (Your doll's sure to create a riot in this fabulous French creation!) Doctor Brock and his Atomic Pile Preparation (Fast safe vim and vitality!) The Scientific Calvert Voice Method (Be a "somebody"!) Alan Powell's House of 1000 Mysteries (Over $2.00 value for just $1.00!) Simon "The Pleasure Primer" King (Enjoy rollicking bedside fun!) Simon House School of Music (No special "talent" needed!) and PAUL RUDOLPH MANLY STRAP-ON - Andy From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Sep 8 08:41:27 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:41:27 -0400 Subject: HW: Review - Astounding In-Reply-To: from "Maxine Wesley" at Sep 8, 95 12:46:04 pm Message-ID: Maxine scribbled these electrons across me screen... > > Single Mesh Gearbox That is "synchro-mesh" (Gearhead alert!) > Chuck Overhead Cam "Chuck? Chuck? I don' hear no "Chuck" on _my_ copy!" > Mohair motorised wolf > L-L-L-L-Looking for lambs > > nothing to do with New Zealand sheep farmer in tractors after all then? > > > > Maxinbe > p.s. > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Sep 8 13:50:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 13:50:00 BST-1 Subject: HW: Review - Astounding Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Single Mesh Gearbox > floor Fandago insect in the skyscraper shade He's a night-city mantis In Surely it's Synchromesh gearbox and Adagio insect ? - Andy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 8 08:52:23 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:52:23 -0400 Subject: BOC Message-ID: Yeah, BOC used to be a band that focussed more on the jam. Even up until about '81 or so when they were doing "Roadhouse Blues" and throwing in bits of "Love Me 2 Times" -- since around then the spontanaity (how DO you spell that) has gone, and the songs are done the same way each night. Maybe age is a factor, maybe BOC's popularity is a factor, I don't know. From what I understand from Les Braunstein, jamming is really how the band started out as Soft White Underbelly. That is, almost every song was basically a jam - with some vocals added. As far as bringing back the 5 guitar jams, well - that would be cool, but only if their drummer can play guitar! It's nice to see the Brain Surgeons revive the 5 guitar bit (or should I say "1,000 Guitar" bit). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 8 09:06:30 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 09:06:30 -0400 Subject: Temporarily Signing Off Message-ID: To all who might care (and those of you who don't): I'll be away from the terminal for the next 2 weeks, so at the end of today, I'll be temporarily unsubscribing until my return. If anyone needs to get in touch with me for any reason, do it soon. Otherwise, I'll see you all when I get back. Hopefully, upon my return, *Workshop Of The Telescopes* will be out, or very soon (I've heard release dates of the 19th, the 26th, and the 29th). I assume list volume will be increasing around that time . . . Later, John From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Fri Sep 8 09:26:09 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:26:09 +0100 Subject: HW: Review - Astounding In-Reply-To: <9509081241.AA00812@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Sep 1995, Craig Shipley wrote: > Maxine scribbled these electrons across me screen... -e +e ? Well, I take reference from all sources .... the above lyrics were cut'n'pasted from a file I downloaded from boc-l entitled 'lyrics'.. i didn't feel I needed to check the integrity despite being the proud possessor of a motorcycle and now? I feel a DISCLAIMER coming on........ Maxine From DH2 at BES.LEEDS.AC.UK Fri Sep 8 11:33:38 1995 From: DH2 at BES.LEEDS.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:33:38 GMT Subject: BOC Message-ID: > Yeah, BOC used to be a band that focussed more on the jam. Even up > until about '81 or so when they were doing "Roadhouse Blues" and > throwing in bits of "Love Me 2 Times" -- since around then the > spontanaity (how DO you spell that) has gone, and the songs are done > the same way each night. Maybe the crucial factor here is the personnel changes in the band. >From reading Les Braunstein's account of the early years it sounds as though the boys were all kinda operating on the same intuitive wavelength. I'd guess once you start shuffling different people in and out of the band you sort of lose that shared feeling that enables you to play around with a song on stage. In particular, the anchor that the bass and drums give to a band (in this case Joe and Al) are probably crucial. Think of The Jimi Hendrix Experience - lesser musicians would have cramped Jimi's style because they wouldn't have been able to follow him out on a wing, but Noel Redding and Mitch Mitchell were really able to do that. The same probably applies here. Although BOC may employ some fine musicians, they haven't grown up with the boys in the same way that Al and Joe did, so it's probably hard for the band members to get inside each others heads the way they used to. Dave Hardman From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Sep 8 16:13:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:13:00 BST-1 Subject: londinium accomodatium Message-ID: In-Reply-To: yuri says: > okay, so if anyone *is* looking for relatively cheap accom near brixton > (and i haffta admit i have no ide what is cheap afa hotels go), the dome > hotel in camberwell (c-well church st.) is having a 'room sale': 25p per > night. tel no: 0171-703 5262. the bonus is zara's kitchen an *amazing* > indian restaurant which is on the corner of the hothell: c.5-7p for > enormous amounts of mouth-watering food. That's just down the bottom of my road... I detect a major session in the making! - Andy From sop04afw at GOLD.AC.UK Fri Sep 8 11:32:10 1995 From: sop04afw at GOLD.AC.UK (Andrew Wilson) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:32:10 +0100 Subject: londinium accomodatium In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Sep 1995, Andrew Gilham wrote: > That's just down the bottom of my road... I detect a major session in > the making! WOOOOOOAAAAAHH! Not another se5er? Let us gno where you are and if i haff interpreted your words correctly, a visit to the hermits cave could be order (well it always is anyway but ykwim) yg From gary at Z-CODE.COM Fri Sep 8 11:50:29 1995 From: gary at Z-CODE.COM (Gary Wingert) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:50:29 -0700 Subject: DIY Trepanation Message-ID: For you do-it-yourselfers out there: http://www.btf.com/crank2/crnk2-15.htm This is from a zine called Crank. Overall, a very sick mag. Fortunately, this DIY article has no photos! gary From bstewart at INTERSERV.COM Fri Sep 8 12:46:44 1995 From: bstewart at INTERSERV.COM (bstewart at INTERSERV.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 09:46:44 PDT Subject: New Address Message-ID: stewartbas at aol.com regards, Bill Stewart From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 8 18:25:58 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 18:25:58 BST Subject: Darxtar covers Message-ID: Help! I've deleted the address for the Darxtar (spelling?) Hawkwind covers issue. Could someone re-post this for me? Many ta's jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 8 18:00:01 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 18:00:01 -0400 Subject: NYC Trepanation Message-ID: This is the one we warned you of: 10:30 PM, Friday, September 15, at the legendary CBGB's on the Bowery in NYC.... Be there or you may not see the Brain Surgeons until 1996! From vlegrand at POSTOFFICE.PTD.NET Fri Sep 8 20:01:13 1995 From: vlegrand at POSTOFFICE.PTD.NET (Vince LeGrand) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 20:01:13 -0400 Subject: BOC CDs, was Re: BOC We gotta get out.... Message-ID: >I have always wondered, however, whether these CDs would >sound better if the CD player were plugged instead into the phono >input of the amplifier... > Paul...don't do that. the phono input on your stereo is designed for an input level that is about 1/100 as high as the CD or AUX input. If you connect your CD player to the phono input, you will probably fry your phono preamp. Vince From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Sep 9 16:20:00 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 20:20:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Differences with Aussie Releases ? Message-ID: Gidday All! I spent this afternoon salivating over Marty Lawrence's (of this list) HW record, CD, and video collection. I am extremely jealous, but that's not the reason for this post :-) During the course of the day I noticed some differences between his (british) and my (Australian) collection which some of the more avid Kollectors on this list may be interested in. The Aussie pressing of Hawklords - 25 Years on is marked as published in 1979, not 1978. The marking appears on the bottom of the label rather than left of centre as well. Live '79 has a blue bar in place of 'SEVENTY NINE' on the front cover (most of you know this allready) Xenon Codex is not a fold out cover. The chess board appears on the front of the inner sleeve, with the credits on the rear. CotBS was not released in Australia with the inner sleeve! WotEOT is a single sleeve - no fold out shield! Regards Paul oBloodyFunnyNovel - "CodgerSpace" by Alan Dean Foster -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sat Sep 9 11:02:47 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 11:02:47 -0400 Subject: HW: Differences with Aussie Releases ? In-Reply-To: from "Paul Ward" at Sep 9, 95 08:20:00 pm Message-ID: Paul Ward writes: > During the course of the day I noticed some differences between his > (british) and > my (Australian) collection which some of the more avid Kollectors on this > list may > be interested in. > Xenon Codex is not a fold out cover. The chess board appears on the front > of the > inner sleeve, with the credits on the rear. Only the earlier British pressings were fold-out covers, too. A friend of mine, who bought it as soon as he saw it in the shops, didn't even get a fold-out cover! > CotBS was not released in Australia with the inner sleeve! Same here, too. Only the first X thousand came with printed inner sleeve. (I think the _CotBS_ tour programme says what X is.) > WotEOT is a single sleeve - no fold out shield! Again, only the first run had the "shield" cover; subsequent pressings were the cheaper "standard" sleeve, so I understand. All of these "rarer" issues can be found advertised regularly in the likes of _Record Collector_, _Goldmine_, etc. Of course, the burning question is whether *ANY* of the "rare" versions of these albums were ever released in Australia, or whether the second-run versions were all you got. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, "Dreamboat Sinking", _It Just Is_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From delacour at UNM.EDU Sat Sep 9 14:13:43 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 12:13:43 -0600 Subject: A fruitless search In-Reply-To: <9509080732.AA07367@eng.hud.ac.uk> Message-ID: Keith- At this point, I have no confirmed Euro dates for BOC, but Eric did tell us recently (at a CA gig) that they will be playing in Scandanavia, Greece, and other major Euro cites. I'll keep you posted. Seems to me that Ritchie Blackmore should thank BOC on the linar notes of the new Rainbow CD!!! Manuel & Jean Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Sat Sep 9 22:30:51 1995 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 22:30:51 -0400 Subject: HW: Calvert video project Message-ID: I don't recall if this was mentioned here already, but he's looking for Robert Calvert materials for a video project. > From: Mediopolis VideoFest Berlin > To: kalex at umich.edu > Subject: Robert Calvert video project > > VideoFest > Mediopolis Berlin e.V. > Potsdamer Strasse 96 > D-10785 Berlin > Phone *49 30 262 87 14 > Fax *49 30 262 87 13 > vf-info at contrib.de > http://www.is.in-berlin.de/~vf-info/videofest/videofest.html/ > > I am currently preparing a video project on Robert Calvert - which will > hopefully receive financial backing from English and/or German TV > stations. I am already in touch with a lot of Calvert`s friends and > former collaborator`s, but there seems not to be much > audio/visual material around, which is certainly of the greatest > importance for this project. Every piece of film and video can be very > valuable, even if it`s in rough quality. That also counts for all kinds > of other stuff like interviews, articles, photos, slides...ANYTHING. > > All material will be returned by registered mail and everyone who can > contribute to this project will certainly receive a good credit in the > completed tape. > I am looking forward to hearing from you. > All the best > > Knut Gerwers From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Sun Sep 10 01:46:02 1995 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 22:46:02 -0700 Subject: Test - Don't Read Message-ID: asdv From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Sep 10 15:44:00 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:44:00 +0000 Subject: Is there something up with the Server? Message-ID: I've only received about 20 or so messages from BOC-L in the last 2-3 days. Either everyone has gone VERY quiet, or something is up. Ideas/feedback anyone ? Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Sun Sep 10 10:51:54 1995 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 14:51:54 GMT Subject: Is there something up with the Server? Message-ID: I thought it too, maybe the list is missing another new debate.... controversial dialogs about nikwind & hawkwind...etc a question regarding CD reissues of records: has the "Choose your Masques" album been reissued ? I just have the original tape, but the sound quality is going down with every listening Olivier - via BulkRate 2.0 From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Sun Sep 10 11:31:15 1995 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 15:31:15 GMT Subject: HW & GONG relations Message-ID: I' m looking for links between these two bands besides the following that I remember: * They played & were recorded at same festival in June '71: the famous Glastonbury gig * Gong's 'Flying Teapot' album is dedicated - among others - to HW * Mike Howlett (ex-Gong bassist) played with Nik Turner's Sphinx around '78 * Nik plays on one track of Mother Gong/Gilly Smith album (the 1st?) * Bob Calvert adds vocals to the song ' We circle around ' on Gong's ' Gongmaison ' album from 1989. * Not to mention the Tim Blake's achieved arrival in 79 * In an interview last year near Paris Dave Brock confirmed the good relations referencing Gong as a French band he particulary liked (Magma too) Now have you tracks of other links and maybe other historic jams maybe...? Olivier - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Sun Sep 10 10:37:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 09:37:00 -0500 Subject: Is there something up with the Server? Message-ID: Paul ponders: -> I've only received about 20 or so messages from BOC-L in the last 2-3 -> days. Either everyone has gone VERY quiet, or something is up. -> -> Ideas/feedback anyone ? I've noticed the same thing. It could be that people are sitting patiently and quietly awaiting the new BOC album, afraid that if they make some sudden moves it will tip the balance of the cosmos toward making the album another "greatest hits". This could be the aftermath of the whole "Keep the traffic down" thread and people are afraid to speak out on subjects that aren't 100% BOC/HW content. I myself have tried very hard not to respond to EVERY posting anymore. Maybe others are doing the same. It could be that AB's been out of the office alot. :^) It could also be because of the new digested version of the list which is available. I am on quite a number of lists myself, and it seems that I reply to less messages on a digest. When EACH message is a separate entity, it's easy to respond to them as they come, racking up a whopping 10 messages or so before you realise it. In digest mode, I tend to read the WHOLE digest and then say, "yeah, I think I'll respond to that thread about the horrible eMpTV video awards this time." Or it could be that there hasn't been much to say. Hell, I'm really not sure what I'm saying at the moment. Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com Obthang: "We all have a cross to bear, and mine's a big one" -Sotpb THE BS's From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sun Sep 10 12:29:07 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 12:29:07 -0400 Subject: Is there something up with the Server? Message-ID: > >I've only received about 20 or so messages from BOC-L in the last 2-3 >days. Either everyone has gone VERY quiet, or something is up. > >Ideas/feedback anyone?>-- >Paul Ward I noticed this also, but attribute it to the lack of activity by the bands. Maybe after the release of some new stuff by either of the bands it will pick up. I personally have been trying to figure out this new editor I am using, so I haven't posted much. Duane -- " You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." Bob Dylan From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Sun Sep 10 16:20:34 1995 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas B. Pearson) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 13:20:34 -0700 Subject: HW & GONG relations Message-ID: Olivier Boigey wrote: >I' m looking for links between these two bands besides the following that I >remember: >* They played & were recorded at same festival in June '71: the famous >Glastonbury gig ...except that the Hawkwind tracks ("Silver Machine"/"Welcome") were recorded at the Roundhouse feb '72, not at Glastonbury (I read somewhere that Dave was sick & Tom Crimble of Skin Alley filled in for him at Glastonbury) >* Gong's 'Flying Teapot' album is dedicated - among others - to HW >* Mike Howlett (ex-Gong bassist) played with Nik Turner's Sphinx around '78 ... the entire backing band on the 1978 Sphynx LP (Howlett, Steve Hillage, Tim Blake, Miquette Giraudy) is ex-Gong except for Alan Powell & Morris Pert. >* Nik plays on one track of Mother Gong/Gilly Smith album (the 1st?) >* Bob Calvert adds vocals to the song ' We circle around ' on Gong's ' >Gongmaison ' album from 1989. >* Not to mention the Tim Blake's achieved arrival in 79 >* In an interview last year near Paris Dave Brock confirmed the good >relations referencing Gong as a French band he particulary liked (Magma too) Did he include Heldon? Or Lard Free? >Now have you tracks of other links and maybe other historic jams maybe...? * Andy Anderson (HW drummer c.1983) played on 3 of Steve Hillage's solo albums: _Green_, _Live Herald_, and _Open_. (He also played on the Cure's _the Top_ album, which connects HW to the Sex Pistols via the Cure -> Robert Smith -> Siouxie & the Banshees -> Sid Vicious [Siouxie's original drummer] -> Sex Pistols). That's all that I can come up with offhand, anyone else ... ? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sun Sep 10 16:20:00 1995 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 16:20:00 -0400 Subject: Mike Holmes Message-ID: Mike pleeeeese send me your address again. stewartbas at aol.com regards, Bill Stewart From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Sep 11 01:57:35 1995 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 00:57:35 -0500 Subject: HW & GONG relations In-Reply-To: <1147404254.359589161@techlink.fr> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Sep 1995, Olivier Boigey wrote: > I' m looking for links between these two bands besides the following that I > remember: > * Mike Howlett (ex-Gong bassist) played with Nik Turner's Sphinx around '78 Someone has already added to this... > * Bob Calvert adds vocals to the song ' We circle around ' on Gong's ' > Gongmaison ' album from 1989. That makes little sense, since Bob was dead by then, right? Damon From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 11 09:37:42 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:37:42 BST Subject: HW & GONG relations In-Reply-To: Olivier Boigey's message of Sun, 10 Sep 1995 15:31:15 GMT Message-ID: Olivier Boigey writes: > I' m looking for links between these two bands besides the following that I > remember: > > * They played & were recorded at same festival in June '71: the famous > Glastonbury gig > * Gong's 'Flying Teapot' album is dedicated - among others - to HW > * Mike Howlett (ex-Gong bassist) played with Nik Turner's Sphinx around '78 > * Nik plays on one track of Mother Gong/Gilly Smith album (the 1st?) > * Bob Calvert adds vocals to the song ' We circle around ' on Gong's ' > Gongmaison ' album from 1989. > * Not to mention the Tim Blake's achieved arrival in 79 > * In an interview last year near Paris Dave Brock confirmed the good > relations referencing Gong as a French band he particulary liked (Magma too) > > Now have you tracks of other links and maybe other historic jams maybe...? I think Calvert appears on "The Owl and the Tree" and I believe both bands were on Clearwater in the early days. > > Olivier FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 11 09:39:21 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:39:21 BST Subject: Mike Holmes In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Sun, 10 Sep 1995 16:20:00 -0400 Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > Mike pleeeeese send me your address again. > stewartbas at aol.com > > regards, > Bill Stewart I'm at 5 MacDoawall Road Newington Edinburgh EH9 3EE Scotland FoFP From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Mon Sep 11 10:07:57 1995 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:07:57 BST Subject: HW & GONG relations Message-ID: HW & Gong both played at a Brixton all-nighter in Aug 91 (?) Neil. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Sep 11 08:25:36 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 08:25:36 -0400 Subject: HW & GONG relations In-Reply-To: from "Damon C Capehart" at Sep 11, 95 00:57:35 am Message-ID: Damon C Capehart writes: > > * Bob Calvert adds vocals to the song ' We circle around ' on Gong's ' > > Gongmaison ' album from 1989. > That makes little sense, since Bob was dead by then, right? Perhaps the song was recorded before Bob's death? Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 11 13:22:32 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:22:32 BST Subject: HW & GONG relations In-Reply-To: Olivier Boigey's message of Sun, 10 Sep 1995 15:31:15 GMT Message-ID: > I' m looking for links between these two bands besides the following that I > remember: > I think Brian Tawn makes mention of the Hawkwind/Gong link during one of his Hawkwind history articles. Can't remember which though! Could be the Record Collector article. It might even be worth writing to ask him - I'm sure he'd be happy to help out. > * Bob Calvert adds vocals to the song ' We circle around ' on Gong's ' > Gongmaison ' album from 1989. NB:NB:NB - the Robert Calvert who plays with Gong and friends now (and probably has done for some time) is NOT the Bob Calvert who was in Hawkwind. There seem to be a number of Robert/Bob Calverts around but the only known associations that Bob Calvert had outside Hawkwind are those listed in the discography (at least I *hope* that's where they are listed!). jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 11 13:24:40 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:24:40 BST Subject: Hawkwind Feedback Message-ID: There's a new Hawkwind update from Brian Tawn just arrived. More later when I've got time but the EP/single is listed as due for release on September 18th. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK Mon Sep 11 08:52:45 1995 From: Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK (Norman Beresford) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:52:45 +0100 Subject: The Search Continues. Message-ID: Well I've just been into Our Price where the bloke behind the counter first of all told me that he hadn't heard anything about a new HW single for several years. With a bit of perserverance he finally looked it up and discovered that the release date was the 18th. As no one has posted a review I assume that it hasn't come out yet. Once again I'm heading into central London this afternoon and I'll look for a copy there but I don't hold out much hope. Heading up to Derbyshire at the Weekend I picked up a copy of the NME and stumbled upon an advert for the latest HW tour. It only lists a handfull of dates and mentions the new album coming out. One of the dates mentioned is the 6pm-6am allnighter at Brixton. It's called something like "12hrs of techno trips and pagan pipes" which I hope means lots of dance bands on the bill. Unfortunatly I forgot the magazine at my girlfriends house this morning so I can't list the dates or be a 100% certain about the stuff above. Does anyone know if there are any tour dates beyond the above? I was hoping that they might do Cambridge so I could drag my girlfriend to it becasue at the moment it looks like a trip to Portsmouth for her babtism. Norman From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Sep 11 09:21:18 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:21:18 -0400 Subject: Is there something up with the Server? Message-ID: >I've only received about 20 or so messages from BOC-L in the last 2-3 >days. Either everyone has gone VERY quiet, or something is up. Maybe Mr. Brevard left the list :-) :-) M From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 11 10:09:30 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:09:30 -0400 Subject: HW & GONG relations Message-ID: >>>>>< * Bob Calvert adds vocals to the song ' We circle around ' on Gong's ' > Gongmaison ' album from 1989. That makes little sense, since Bob was dead by then, right?<<<<< i have been told that the bob calvert who was involved w/ gong and/or mother gong is not OUR bob calvert,but another by the same name! rj From gman at INETCOM.NET Mon Sep 11 10:18:29 1995 From: gman at INETCOM.NET (gman at INETCOM.NET) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:18:29 -0400 Subject: BOC : Gumball Foot Message-ID: was flying throught the crap bin at a shop and I saw the Gumball cd "Revolution on Ice". The last song is "She's as Beautiful as a Foot". If anybody cares about it just email me. It was only 5 bucks. gman From sop04afw at GOLD.AC.UK Mon Sep 11 11:50:14 1995 From: sop04afw at GOLD.AC.UK (Andrew Wilson) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:50:14 +0100 Subject: just for the sake of it Message-ID: as the posting rate is so slow i just thought i'd rpt the url if anyone wants to follow up on the whole area51/s4 thing (the phenom not the single): http://www.cris.com/~Psypsy/area51/ guffaws aplenty yg/afw From tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Mon Sep 11 11:53:16 1995 From: tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Tox) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:53:16 -0400 Subject: HW & GONG relations In-Reply-To: <950911100927_16180882@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Sep 1995 RJPXR5 at AOL.COM wrote: > >>>>>< * Bob Calvert adds vocals to the song ' We circle around ' on Gong's ' > > Gongmaison ' album from 1989. > That makes little sense, since Bob was dead by then, right?<<<<< Hey, that's pretty gothic.... From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Mon Sep 11 14:07:08 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:07:08 EST Subject: HWish: Mail order opinions Message-ID: I'm thinking about ordering a video from a company called The Right Choice that advertised in Guitar World. Has anyone had any transactions with this company? I'm a little paranoid about mail order obviously. They had the Night of the Hawks video available for $30 BTW. If anyone's interested contact me privately for the address. Brian From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Mon Sep 11 15:48:39 1995 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 19:48:39 GMT Subject: HW & GONG relations Message-ID: To clarify, this record (Gongmaison)was recorded the night of summer solstice of 1989, that means 21/06/89, OK? - via HLY GLCTIC IMPERIUM From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 11 19:19:06 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 19:19:06 BST Subject: Solstice In-Reply-To: Olivier Boigey's message of Mon, 11 Sep 1995 19:48:39 GMT Message-ID: > To clarify, this record (Gongmaison)was recorded the night of summer solstice > of 1989, that means 21/06/89, OK? > errrm - no, I think. The Equinoxes (oxi? oxae?) are on the 21st but solstice happens on the 23rd - unless I am much mistook. FoFP usually knows about these things..... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Sep 11 14:31:50 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:31:50 -0400 Subject: Solstice Message-ID: According to my 1995 calender, the solstice was on June 21 and the winter solstice will be on December 22. Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Sep 11 14:37:51 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:37:51 -0400 Subject: Off Topic Message-ID: This is really off-topic but I thought as there is a large British expat crowd here, someone could come to my aid. I was wondering if there was somewhere on the net I could get the English football (soccer results) Ta Martyn From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 11 19:49:26 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 19:49:26 BST Subject: Hawkwind tour dates updated In-Reply-To: Norman Beresford's message of Mon, 11 Sep 1995 13:52:45 +0100 Message-ID: > > Does anyone know if there are any tour dates beyond the above? I was hoping > that they might do Cambridge so I could drag my girlfriend to it becasue at > the moment it looks like a trip to Portsmouth for her babtism. > ok - the latest Hawkwind update from Brian Tawn is out and here are his dates for the tour. NB he says that "this list is an updated one and doesn't match the flyers which were recently distributed, so take note.... there have been changes!" Oct 12 Glasgow Barrowlands Oct 13 Lancaster Sugar House Oct 15 Liverpool Royal Court Oct 16 Manchester Academy Oct 18 Cardiff St. David's Hall Oct 19 Bristol Colston Hall Oct 20 Wolverhampton Civic Hall Oct 21 London Brixton Academy Oct 23 Portsmouth Guild Hall ================================= Oct 26 Bochum Zeche Oct 27 Hamburg Markthalle Oct 28 Berlin Marquee Oct 29 Erlangen E Werk Oct 31 Paris Arapho Nov 1 Brussels La Luna Nov 2 Amsterdam Melkweg Apparently the extra guitarist is no longer with the band although Ron Tree still is. The Hawkwind EP is due out on Sept 18. Called Area S. 4. [yep - this is what Brian Tawn calls it - he *may* have it wrong perhaps...] Release will be CD and vinyl. Tracklist: Alien I Am (shorter version than on the album), Death Trap, Wastelands and Are You Losing Your Mind. Sputnik Stan is an extra track on the vinyl. [in effect this is the recent tour set] Album due out on Sept 25 called Alien 4. On vinyl and CD. Tracklist: Abducted, Alien I am, Reject Your Human Touch, Blue Skin, Beam Me Up, Vega, Xenomorph, Journey, Sputnik Stan, Kapal, Festivals, Death Trap, Wastelands, Are You Losing Your Mind. Extra track on the vinyl will be Space Sex. He reckons it's an excellent album with Alien I Am, Vega (I assume an instrumental), Sputnik Stan and Xenomorph standing out as particularly good tracks. Various new releases get a mention including Simon House 'Yassassim' and Nik Turner's 'Anubian Lights' Hawkwind related include: Zero Gravity 'Space Does Not Care' on the Hypnotic (Cleopatra offshoot) label with Pressurehead's Len Del Rio; also Tommy Grenas and sampled guests including Nik Turner. Also Melting Euphoria 'Upon The Solar Winds' - no Hawkwind link except that it sounds like "a hybrid of Hawkwind, The Orb and Ozric Tentacles". BT reckons it's reminiscent of the first Hawkwind album and early jams of In Search of Space tho it tends towards rhythms and electronics with not much lead guitar in evidence [NB - I paraphrase him somewhat here!] Also 'A Saucerful of Pink' is a double CD tribute to Pink Floyd including track by Nik Turner and Simon House. And the Darxtar address for the compilation casette is: SBM Sweden, VoxJovagen 55, 57010 Kossberga, Sweden. HawkEye 4 ed. Adrian Parr will be ready in mid- Sept - price 2.50 pounds UK 3.00 pounds rest of Europe and 5.00 pounds outside. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 11 19:53:33 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 19:53:33 BST Subject: Off Topic In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:37:51 -0400 Message-ID: > This is really off-topic but I thought as there is > a large British expat crowd here, someone could come to my > aid. I was wondering if there was somewhere on the net I > could get the English football (soccer results) > > Ta > I think the Guardian Newspaper has a web page - you could try mailing them..... It's the kind of thing they might want to charge for tho' since quite a few folk only buy newspapers so they can get uptodate with the latest results. Not sure. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fm at DARKSTAR.TOUCH.COM Mon Sep 11 15:07:06 1995 From: fm at DARKSTAR.TOUCH.COM (Farrell McGovern) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 15:07:06 -0400 Subject: Solstice In-Reply-To: <9509111831.AA02783@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Sep 1995, Martyn White wrote: > According to my 1995 calender, the solstice was on June 21 > and the winter solstice will be on December 22. The date will vary depending on the year...our Blue Panet's orbit around the Sun is not perfect...and can vary. Also, don't forget leap years! ttyl Farrell Pagan From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Mon Sep 11 15:09:10 1995 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 15:09:10 -0400 Subject: HWish: Mail order opinions In-Reply-To: <009963CF.F6F71B60.52@bigvax.alfred.edu> from "BRIAN HALLIGAN" at Sep 11, 95 01:07:08 pm Message-ID: Brian wrote: > > I'm thinking about ordering a video from a company called The Right > Choice that advertised in Guitar World. Has anyone had any transactions with > this company? I'm a little paranoid about mail order obviously. They had > the Night of the Hawks video available for $30 BTW. If anyone's interested > contact me privately for the address. > Well, $30 sounds kind of steep to me for that one. (BTW, that's from the Nik Turner '83/'84 days, if you didn't know.....not my favourite, to say the least). I'm sure I only paid around $20 for it, and I think there's a local store here in Columbus, OH selling it for maybe even less, although I'm pretty sure it's bootlegged (as the slip-in cover looks like it's been xeroxed -- losers!!!). Keith H. From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Mon Sep 11 15:21:11 1995 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 15:21:11 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind tour dates updated In-Reply-To: <9509111949.aa22379@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Sep 11, 95 07:49:26 pm Message-ID: Jill writes: > > Album due out on Sept 25 called Alien 4. On vinyl and CD. Tracklist: > Abducted, Alien I am, Reject Your Human Touch, Blue Skin, Beam Me Up, > Vega, Xenomorph, Journey, Sputnik Stan, Kapal, Festivals, Death Trap, > Wastelands, Are You Losing Your Mind. Extra track on the vinyl will be > Space Sex. > > He reckons it's an excellent album with Alien I Am, Vega (I assume an > instrumental), Sputnik Stan and Xenomorph standing out as particularly > good tracks. > Ahhhh...if I remember correctly, the tune entitled 'Vega' is the one song they just did on the US tour, that segued in right after the 'Alien' bit by the Bastard....it is not an instrumental, and I liked it quite a lot. Is this a studio/live mix??? I could imagine the Death Trap/Wastelands/Are you losing your mind? (Iron Dream, renamed yet again??) portion could all be from the '95 US tour (although I don't remember any mention of official recordings made), as well as Sputnik Stan, Vega, and the Alien thing (Alien I Am?). The other track names (especially the one-word titles) make me think that alot of the rest of this stuff might be instrumental/ambient pieces, a la It's the Biz...., but then I just might be getting my hopes down... :) Any word about when Griffin may be releasing this thing??? And have they also released the White Zone CD yet?? I know I haven't seen it anywhere around. Keith H. P.S. Who was the other guitarist considered in HW??? And what about either Crum or Simon House joining on, as was rumoured?? From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Sep 11 15:38:54 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 15:38:54 -0400 Subject: White Zone In-Reply-To: <199509111921.PAA16496@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith A Henderson" at Sep 11, 95 03:21:11 pm Message-ID: Keith says... CHOMP! > > Any word about when Griffin may be releasing this thing??? And have they also > released the White Zone CD yet?? I know I haven't seen it anywhere around. > > Keith H. Griffin has released this puppy, White Zone, that is. Found a copy at Tower Records in Atlanta last week. It was their last copy, however. Silver 'n black cover art; morphed 'n manipulated photo of a circuit board and a couple of IC's. Has a postage paid poll card in it. Happy hunting! (it took me months to find it, too...) Taped it for the car and promptly forgot it this AM...d'oh! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Mon Sep 11 15:46:35 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 14:46:35 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind tour dates updated In-Reply-To: <199509111921.PAA16496@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Sep 1995, Keith A Henderson wrote: > Is this a studio/live mix??? I could imagine the Death Trap/Wastelands/Are you > losing your mind? (Iron Dream, renamed yet again??) portion could all be from > the '95 US tour (although I don't remember any mention of official recordings > made), as well as Sputnik Stan, Vega, and the Alien thing (Alien I Am?). Wasn't the first show recorded by the band (or had they been planning to but decided not to)??? > Any word about when Griffin may be releasing this thing??? And have they also > released the White Zone CD yet?? I know I haven't seen it anywhere around. They have released White Zone, as I found it in late July in NJ. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bchina at CROWN.NET Mon Sep 11 18:05:46 1995 From: bchina at CROWN.NET (bchina at CROWN.NET) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 15:05:46 -0700 Subject: Hawkwind losing steam? Message-ID: With the recent posting of the track listings of the new HW album and EP, I'm really beginning to worry that the band is running out of creativity. It sounds as though several of these tracks are remakes of older songs. Granted, HW has been doing this for some time, but I was never very fond of the idea. I'd like a new HW studio record which is 100% brand new material that we've never heard before. Since all their more recent records have been about 80 minutes long, maybe they feel the urge to fill up all that space however they can, even if that includes new renditions of old songs. And although I like the ambient/instrumental stuff they've been doing of late, I hope they don't use it as a crutch on the new record. Over-reliance on droning electronic mantras might indicate a lack of new ideas. I don't want to find HW falling into a rut--something they've never done before. But if this album is mainly ambient instrumentals and remakes, it might be time to panic. What do you think, fans? Comfort me! Tell me I'm paranoid and the new record will be OK after all! --bchina at crown.net John Majka From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Mon Sep 11 16:35:46 1995 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:35:46 -0400 Subject: HW: White Zone CD Message-ID: > And have they also released the White Zone CD yet?? Remember that when looking for Griffin version of _White Zone_, you should check under both "White Zone" and under "Psychedelic Warriors", since record stores seem to confuse the title and author on this one frequently. From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Mon Sep 11 16:55:09 1995 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:55:09 -0400 Subject: NIK/HW: more Cleopatra incest? Message-ID: I saw a new CD on Cleopatra by a group called "Lights of Euphoria", which had a track on it called "Brainstorm". I'm wondering if this is something unrelated, or whether Cleopatra is trying to make something sound like some big combo of Hawkwind, Anubian Lights, and Melting Euphoria. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Sep 11 17:19:09 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:19:09 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind in rock quiz Message-ID: I see Hawkwind are featured in the latest rock quiz at http://osiris.sund.ac.uk/ Martyn From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Sep 11 19:11:00 1995 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:11:00 PDT Subject: Is there something up with the Server? No Just AB Message-ID: >It could be that AB's been out of the office alot. :^) >Torgo You see what happens when I step away for a few days everybody goes quiet. Still working the directory people. As I key this post I still have 31 messages to go but of the first 60 or so no more entires for the directory. Maybe it can be finalized now. And just to make you guys think about something, HW fans too, try this exercise what song could these bands play acoustically that would sound as good if not better than the original. I believe HW is heavy into the electronics but substitute some strings, and various woodwinds and use you imagination. About a week ago they broadcast Neil Young doing an unplugged version of Rockin the Free World, it sounded pretty good to me. Need more proof, Styx, including Tommy Shaw were on Regis and Kathy Lee last friday (don't ask why I was watching) and they played about seven different songs unplugged Babe, Lady, Renegade Come Sail Away, Rockers to mellow tunes, unplugged works. I'm telling you BOC should do ME 262 on acoustic guitars it would be awesome.! A(No Coffeee at this time of night)B From abrevard at SHL.COM Mon Sep 11 19:21:00 1995 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 16:21:00 PDT Subject: Is there something up with the Server? Message-ID: >I've only received about 20 or so messages from BOC-L in the last 2-3 >days. Either everyone has gone VERY quiet, or something is up. > Maybe Mr. Brevard left the list :-) :-) >M Nope, as you probably know by now I'm still here not very active though. Five in the CD player recently: Endless Summer II - Gary Hoey Animal Instincts - Gary Hoey OYFOOYK - BOC Dogman - King's X Stages - Triumph From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 11 22:45:14 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 22:45:14 BST Subject: Solstice In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Mon, 11 Sep 1995 19:19:06 BST Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > > To clarify, this record (Gongmaison)was recorded the night of summer solstice > > of 1989, that means 21/06/89, OK? > > > > > errrm - no, I think. The Equinoxes (oxi? oxae?) are on the 21st but > solstice happens on the 23rd - unless I am much mistook. > > FoFP usually knows about these things..... They seem to vary between the 21st and 23rd. I'd hazard that the variation would depend on which part of the Leap Year cycle we were in since it's the Leap Day that kinda resets the clock. The Equinoxes occur when the Sun crosses the Celestial Equator (i.e has Declination of zero degrees) and the Solstices occur when the Sun is at maximum and minimum declination. Casual usage of the terms tend towards longest day and shortest day for the solstices and that might be either side of a night when the Sun crosses the CE which explains one day of the variation. The other day I'd guess is that by the time we need a Leap Day to reset things we've functionally shifted the whole thing by an entire day thus explaining the other day in the variation. Of course I could be wrong, but that's the best explanation for the variation that I can come up with. FoFP From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Mon Sep 11 19:18:09 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:18:09 EST Subject: mail order question Message-ID: Keith said: >Brian wrote: >> >> I'm thinking about ordering a video from a company called The Right >> Choice that advertised in Guitar World. Has anyone had any transactions with >> this company? I'm a little paranoid about mail order obviously. They had >> the Night of the Hawks video available for $30 BTW. If anyone's interested >> contact me privately for the address. >> >Well, $30 sounds kind of steep to me for that one. (BTW, that's from the Nik >Turner '83/'84 days, if you didn't know.....not my favourite, to say the >least). I'm sure I only paid around $20 for it, and I think there's a local >store here in Columbus, OH selling it for maybe even less, although I'm pretty >sure it's bootlegged (as the slip-in cover looks like it's been xeroxed -- >losers!!!). Actually, I was thinking of buying the _Sonic Ceremony_ video by the Cult, not the Hawkwind one, but I thought someome might be interested. From what you've said, this is probably not the case ;) Thanks for the information. I think I'll give these people a go and see what happens... ttfn, Brian From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Sep 11 18:25:51 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:25:51 -0400 Subject: Is there something up with the Server? No Just AB Message-ID: > Maybe it can be finalized now. And just to make you guys think about >something, HW fans too, try this exercise what song could these bands play >acoustically that would sound as good if not better than the original. I >believe HW is heavy into the electronics but substitute some strings, and > >A(No Coffeee at this time of night)B > > I think that Time We Left This World Today would sound pretty good accustically. Duane -- " You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." Bob Dylan From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Sep 11 19:02:18 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:02:18 -0600 Subject: BOC IN ALBQ-FINALLY!! In-Reply-To: <199509112225.AA19199@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> Message-ID: As Jean & I returned from our trip to see BOC in Redondo and in Ventura, CA, we got word that BOC will be here in Albuquerque on Oct 14th for an outdoor type festival (probally related to the Balloon Fiesta). On the same bill are The Tubes & April Wine. It is not clear who will be headlining, but it IS clear that BOC will blow them all away. Three BOC shows in one year!!! Life is good.......... Manuel & Jean Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From riordan at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU Mon Sep 11 19:17:50 1995 From: riordan at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Phillip A Jaeger) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:17:50 -0500 Subject: Solstice Message-ID: >They seem to vary between the 21st and 23rd. I'd hazard that the >variation would depend on which part of the Leap Year cycle we were in >since it's the Leap Day that kinda resets the clock. > >The Equinoxes occur when the Sun crosses the Celestial Equator (i.e has >Declination of zero degrees) and the Solstices occur when the Sun is at >maximum and minimum declination. > >Of course I could be wrong, but that's the best explanation for the >variation that I can come up with. > >FoFP Part of the variation comes from the fact that as the Earth rotates counter-clockwise around its axis (366 times a year), it also revolves around the sun (once). This revolution also creates one clockwise rotation (366-1=365 days). This is the difference between a siderial day (rotation of the Earth/ about 23h 56m) and a solar day (noon to noon/ 24h). phillip a jaeger ==> riordan at mail.utexas.edu =================================================================== if your circles could be spirals? and your idols were machines? you could pick up all the signals, and fly from where you've been. -Are You Receiving Me? Golden Earring ('73) From Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK Mon Sep 11 19:29:16 1995 From: Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK (Norman Beresford) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 00:29:16 +0100 Subject: A bit more HW stuff Message-ID: Apparantly one of the tracks on the War Child album (UK readers should know what I'm on about) is a cover of Silver Machine. Once again I'm quoting this from memory and I've just been to a charity thing so it's worse then usual but I think Noel Galager from Oasis is doing it. Could well be wrong though. Norman From tp at JDT.COM Mon Sep 11 19:44:27 1995 From: tp at JDT.COM (Terry Poot) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:44:27 CDT Subject: Hawkwind losing steam? Message-ID: On 11 Sep 95 at 15:05, bchina at CROWN.NET wrote: > With the recent posting of the track listings of the new HW album and EP, I'm really > beginning to worry that the band is running out of creativity. It sounds as though several > of these tracks are remakes of older songs. Granted, HW has been doing this for some > time, but I was never very fond of the idea. I'd like a new HW studio record which is > 100% brand new material that we've never heard before. Has there ever been such an album? :-) (Actually, forget the :-), and the first album obviously doesn't count. Have there been any albums with no recycled tracks? How many? I'm guessing after the first 2 or three, there're probably none at all.) -- Terry Poot -- tp at jdt.com (Work -- tp at mccall.com) From tp at JDT.COM Mon Sep 11 19:44:27 1995 From: tp at JDT.COM (Terry Poot) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 18:44:27 CDT Subject: Is there something up with the Server? No Just AB Message-ID: On 11 Sep 95 at 16:11, BREVARD Adrian R. wrote: > And just to make you guys think about > something, HW fans too, try this exercise what song could these bands play > acoustically that would sound as good if not better than the original. We Took the Wrong Step Years Ago (it's close to start with) Heads D-Rider (?) -- Terry Poot -- tp at jdt.com (Work -- tp at mccall.com) From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Mon Sep 11 20:37:45 1995 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:37:45 -0400 Subject: Bounced mail (was: oops) Message-ID: >From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU >Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 12:15:27 -0400 (EDT) >To: boc-l-request at listserv.spc.edu >Message-Id: <950911121527.205025ca at pa.msu.edu> >Subject: oops > > Mostly stuff just accumulates in piles. But every once in a while a pile > gets too big, gravity wins again, and I finally get around to putting stuff > away. Well, this particular pile yielded a bunch of cassette tapes that I > made from CDs that I already own. That suggests that I made them for > somebody else, quite probably as part of a trade. The problem is I have > absolutely no memory of whom I made these tapes for or even which of the > many lists I am on that person might belong to. So I'm sending this to the > most likely lists in hopes that the person who oh so patiently is waiting > for me to follow through on my end of the deal will see it and send me > private e-mail to jog my memory. The tapes are Moe Tucker _I Spent A Week > There_ and _Oh No, They're Recording This Show_, Amon Duul II _BBC Radio 1_, > Pink Floyd _Psychedelic Sessions_, Harry Partch _The Music Of_, and > Television _The Blow - Up_. > > If these tapes were intended for you, please accept my most humble apologies. > Get in touch with me. Tell me if there are other things I'm supposed to > tape for you, and please remind me of your address. > > And to the myriad of people for whom this message is just so much wasted > bandwidth, my apologies; I can think of no other way to resolve this. > > John McIntyre > Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept > Michigan State University > mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Sep 11 22:38:13 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 22:38:13 -0400 Subject: BOC IN ALBQ-FINALLY!! Message-ID: Manual and Jean state: > > > >On the same bill are The Tubes & April Wine. It is not clear who will >be headlining, but it IS clear that BOC will blow them all away. > >Three BOC shows in one year!!! Life is good.......... Manuel & Jean > > This is true, BOC will blow them away, but the Tubes can put on a pretty fierce show also. ( At least they used to ) Ahhh, The smell of burning leather... Duane ( WPOD ) -- " You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." Bob Dylan From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Sep 11 22:43:52 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 22:43:52 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind losing steam? Message-ID: > >Has there ever been such an album? :-) (Actually, forget the :-), and >the first album obviously doesn't count. Have there been any albums >with no recycled tracks? How many? I'm guessing after the first 2 or >three, there're probably none at all.) >-- >Terry Poot -- tp at jdt.com (Work -- tp at mccall.com) > > I don't mind the recycling, as long as there are some changes or differences in the songs, it makes for a little variety. Maybe we could start discussing which versions are our favorites. Duane -- " You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." Bob Dylan From b_pospiech at SHAMROCK.PING.DE Mon Sep 11 16:11:00 1995 From: b_pospiech at SHAMROCK.PING.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 19:11:00 -0100 Subject: HAWKWIND: Europe dates Message-ID: Hi folks Here are the European HAWKWIND tour dates: - 26.10.1995 Bochum, Zeche, Germany - 27.10.1995 Hamburg, Markthalle, Germany - 28.10.1995 Berlin, Marquee Germany - 29.10.1995 Erlangen, E-Werk Germany - 31.10.1995 Paris, Arapho France - 01.11.1995 Brussels, La Luna Belgium - 02.11.1995 Amsterdam, Melkweg Holland The only chance for me to see the band will be on the 26th in Bochum (only 15 miles from my hometown) cu Bernhard b_pospiech at shamrock.ping.de From Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK Tue Sep 12 01:14:56 1995 From: Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK (Norman Beresford) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 06:14:56 +0100 Subject: Off Topic Message-ID: I think the Guardian .net presence is only an archive of their On-Line section. That said I'm sure Wired UK probably has a web site and the Weekly Mail (S.A paper) is ment to have one of the best sites around (they're both Guardian titles now). Your best bet is the Electronic Telegraph. I haven't got the address around but I'll mail it to you if you want. Norman From Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK Tue Sep 12 01:14:59 1995 From: Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK (Norman Beresford) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 06:14:59 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind losing steam? Message-ID: > Granted, HW has been doing this for some time, but I was never very fond of the idea. > And although I like the ambient/instrumental stuff they've been doing of late, I hope they >don't use it as a crutch on the new record. Over-reliance on droning electronic mantras >might indicate a lack of new ideas. HW seem to have been redoing old stuff for most of their life. I don't mind this, but I think the best approach they could take to the redoing old tracks is to go for the radical remix approach a la Assassin. I think they could (and have) produce some stunning dance music and still keep the essential secret ingredient X to their music, the way Eat Static have. From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Sep 12 17:21:32 1995 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:21:32 EST Subject: HW: Differences with Aussie Releases ? In-Reply-To: ; from "Paul Ward" at Sep 9, 95 08:20:00 pm Message-ID: > > Gidday All! > > I spent this afternoon salivating over Marty Lawrence's (of this list) HW > record, > CD, and video collection. I am extremely jealous, but that's not the > reason for > this post :-) > > During the course of the day I noticed some differences between his > (british) and > my (Australian) collection which some of the more avid Kollectors on this > list may > be interested in. > > The Aussie pressing of Hawklords - 25 Years on is marked as published in > 1979, not > 1978. The marking appears on the bottom of the label rather than left of > centre as > well. > I was reading Robert Godwin's book and he does mention about the aussie release. But he doesn't mention the 2 different ways the Hawklords name was written,on the front covers. I have the pink one but there was also green ,the t-shirt I had from the tour was also green. I also looked at my Hawklords album shop poster with tour dates for November, it mentions the single release of Psi Power c/w micro man (I think) ,which wasn't released, it was Psi Power c/w Death Trap the catalogue no is the same though. Does anyone know why the release was changed , fofp ? > Live '79 has a blue bar in place of 'SEVENTY NINE' on the front cover > (most of you > know this allready) > The NZ version supposedly had this. Does anyone own a copy of the slides that were given away in the German release of Quark,Strangeness & charm,I believe they were from the 76 tour. regards Marty From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Tue Sep 12 03:38:21 1995 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:38:21 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind in rock quiz Message-ID: > I see Hawkwind are featured in the latest rock quiz >at http://osiris.sund.ac.uk/ > >Martyn Quite right a Hawkwind question is a regular feature of the quiz, and sometimes it is actually a hard question, even for us HW nuts. Derrick... --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk Talk Waylander at 147.188.64.112 "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. --------------------------------------------- From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Tue Sep 12 04:35:39 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:35:39 +0100 Subject: Off Topic In-Reply-To: <9509111837.AA02790@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Sep 1995, Martyn White wrote: > This is really off-topic but I thought as there is > a large British expat crowd here, someone could come to my > aid. I was wondering if there was somewhere on the net I > could get the English football (soccer results) The main footy address is http://caesar.atm.ch.cam.ac.uk:www/sports/webs.html Not that I am a follower but one of the guys in the office is Football crazy He's football mad The football it has taken away The little bit of sense he had And it would take a thousand ????? To ??????????????????? The night he became a member Of that terrible football club Maxine From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Sep 12 16:45:17 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:45:17 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind losing steam? In-Reply-To: <199509112344.SAA17142@konza.flinthills.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Sep 1995, Terry Poot wrote: > On 11 Sep 95 at 15:05, bchina at CROWN.NET wrote: > > > time, but I was never very fond of the idea. I'd like a new HW studio record which is > > 100% brand new material that we've never heard before. > > Has there ever been such an album? :-) (Actually, forget the :-), and > the first album obviously doesn't count. Have there been any albums > with no recycled tracks? How many? I'm guessing after the first 2 or > three, there're probably none at all.) What rubbish! Have you never listened to ANY of the Charisma LP's .... nothing recycled there (except MAYBE some of the lyrics of 'Days of the Underground' and 'Spirit of the Age'). CotBS was 100% new as well, as was WotEoT and Levitation (allthough 'Motorway City' was on Live 79). Have to admit that many other LP's have recycled tracks, but it many cases (at least up pre 1985) they are different enough from the originals. What does makes it seem worse than it is would be the multitude of compilations and bootleg releases. All the same, it would be refreshing for HW to release a 100% new studio LP, but I'm buying the new one anyway ASAP! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Sep 12 16:50:04 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:50:04 +0000 Subject: HAWKWIND: Europe dates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: To: Mr. Brock > Here are the European HAWKWIND tour dates: > > - 26.10.1995 Bochum, Zeche, Germany > - 27.10.1995 Hamburg, Markthalle, Germany > - 28.10.1995 Berlin, Marquee Germany > - 29.10.1995 Erlangen, E-Werk Germany > - 31.10.1995 Paris, Arapho France > - 01.11.1995 Brussels, La Luna Belgium > - 02.11.1995 Amsterdam, Melkweg Holland Then: - 01.12.1995 Melbourne, The Palace Australia - 02.12.1995 Melbourne, Festival Hall Australia etc. Please? -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Sep 12 12:10:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:10:00 BST-1 Subject: Hawkwind losing steam? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199509112344.SAA17142 at konza.flinthills.com> Terry asks: > Has there ever been such an album? :-) (Actually, forget the :-), and > the first album obviously doesn't count. Have there been any albums > with no recycled tracks? How many? I'm guessing after the first 2 or > three, there're probably none at all.) I think it just seems like that! :) It didn't really start until _Sonic Attack_ (live albums are a different kettle of fish). But it rapidly got to the stage where on hearing _Chronicle of the Black Sword_, I thought, well, it might be crap, but at least it's *new* crap... (To be fair, I quite like "Sleep of a Thousand Tears", but although some of the songs promise ULTIMATE BLANGA with their opening riff - "Song of the Swords" and "Needle Gun" in particular - they lose their way about ten seconds later. IMO.) - Andy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Sep 12 08:26:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:26:00 EDT Subject: A Newbie - My Particulars Message-ID: I joined the list about a week ago, but I've listened to HW for a long time. I sent this direct and decided to follow convention and post it publicly. ******************** Name: Bob Rudich Handle: Rudy the ferret mage Age: 41 E-Mail Address: Rudich at volpe2.DOT.GOV Primary Band: Hawkwind First Time Seen Live: 11/28/90 Last time Seen Live: 11/28/90 (sniff) Favorite Album: Live Chronicles Last Album Purchased: Electric Tepee Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: No (actually a little, but that doesn't comply with format) Comments: Heard the 1st album in '71 and dismissed them as a 2nd class Pink Floyd. As the years passed my opinion flip flopped. Location: Boston area ( )--(a) (@=@=) \ Rudy the ferret mage O__) \ \___ \ \ /\ * ) \ From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Sep 12 08:54:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:54:00 EDT Subject: HW: Retread Tracks? Message-ID: I may be mistaken, but what are recycled tracks on "Space Bandits" and "Xenon Codex"?. I can't say for certain, but it didn't strike me that any of "Electric Tepee" was something I've heard before either. I'm not talking about stuff that was performed live a little while before it was released. I don't consider that a retread. What was released on an earlier album? I thought that HW was doing pretty good for a while in avoiding doing covers of their old stuff. I gather from some of what I've seen that the 1st 2 albums I've mentioned are not among the general faves, but I sure like them I have to admit a bias towards their material from CotBS on. I looked at the poll results and have to admit my likes in both albums and songs diverge for the liked stuff, but tend to agree on what was not liked. Next poll I'll try and skew things a bit more. I caught the opening date of the US leg of the '90 tour at the Channel in Boston (RIP). They did all (I think) of "Space Bandits" and since I had not bought it yet, it was my 1st listening. It really got to me, so that may explain why I have a higher than average opinion of that disc. It was also my only live HW show. I saw mention that they were in the US earlier this year. Did they come near Boston and I missed them (despite my attempts at vigilance)? This would be cause for major self flagellation at the least. ( )--(a) (@=@=) \ Rudy the ferret mage O__) \ \___ \ \ (Ever watchful for Hawks from beyond) /\ * ) \ From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Sep 12 13:15:08 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 13:15:08 BST Subject: Hawkwind losing steam? In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:10:00 BST-1 Message-ID: Recycled tracks on HW studio albums: Sonic Attack: Sonic Attack (a rather dire version, IMO) Choose Your Masques: Silver Machine (which had never been released on a studio album before then, though that's not much of an excuse). Electric Teepee: Mask Of Morning (significant reworking, IMO) IITBOTFTBD: The Camera That Could Lie (lyrics from Living On A Knife Edge). Letting In The Past Gimme Shelter (a cover, rather than a recycled HW track). Alien: Death Trap Wastelands (instrumental version of Wastelands Of Sleep, and significantly different IMO) Are You Losing Your Mind (Iron Dream with lyrics) Have I missed any? I'm not including various compilation albums, solo albums, or live albums. There are also some half-live/half-studio albums which could sort of count. But I'd instead criticise these live albums for playing the same old tracks when there are so many good tracks that haven't made it to live albums at all. I am disappointed that tracks such as "I am the eye that looks within" and "Black sun" haven't made it onto the new album. But perhaps the people who have already got these as "bonus tracks" would be disappointed to see them appear a second time. Maybe we need a Bonus Tracks album (the modern version of a B-sides album). Dave. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Sep 12 09:23:54 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:23:54 -0400 Subject: Off Topic In-Reply-To: <199509120514.GAA24574@earth.ftech.co.uk> from "Norman Beresford" at Sep 12, 95 06:14:56 am Message-ID: Norman Beresford writes: > Your best bet is the Electronic Telegraph. I haven't got the address around > but I'll mail it to you if you want. Yes, the Electronic Telegraph does carry the football results (I just checked). Electronic Telegraph can be found on the World Wide Web at "http://www.telegraph.co.uk". You need to go through a little registration procedure, but apart from that, the service is free. Of course, apart from the fitba scores, it also has other sports. Oh, and of course, the recent British and international headlines and stories. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 12 14:19:47 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:19:47 BST Subject: HW: Retread Tracks? In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:54:00 EDT Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > I may be mistaken, but what are recycled tracks on "Space Bandits" and > "Xenon Codex"?. The lyrics for "Black Elk Speaks" first appeared in 1972 in The Hawkwind Log. > I can't say for certain, but it didn't strike me that any > of "Electric Tepee" was something I've heard before either. The lyrics for Mask of Morning are recycled from Mirror of Illusion from 1970. > (@=@=) \ Rudy the ferret mage FoFP From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Tue Sep 12 09:35:03 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:35:03 -0400 Subject: HW: Retread Tracks? In-Reply-To: <3054F6DA@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Sep 12, 95 08:54:00 am Message-ID: > I can't say for certain, but it didn't strike me that any > of "Electric Tepee" was something I've heard before either. Well, on ET "Mask of Morning" was a retread of "Mirror of Illusion" from the first album (mind you, a very worthwhile retread IMHO) and Secret Agent was a retread of "On the Case" (I think) from one of the Brock solo albums. But I liked that too ... I don't mind bands doing retreads at all as long as they are retreads I _like_. But some of the retreads on _IITBOTFTBD_ were getting rather stale .... And the "dance remixes" pretty much leave me cold. Cheers, Carl From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Sep 12 15:05:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:05:00 BST-1 Subject: Hawkwind losing steam? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <23195.9509121215 at abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> > Recycled tracks on HW studio albums: > > Sonic Attack: Sonic Attack (a rather dire version, IMO) Plus, the lyrics for "Angels of Death" partially reprise "Born to Go" > Choose Your Masques: Silver Machine Plus the b-side to the 7" is (a perfectly dreadful version of) "Psychedelic Warlords" > > IITBOTFTBD: Title from liner notes to _Space Ritual_! "Nuclear Drive" on _Church_ is really just "Nuclear Toy" (b-side) with different words. "Virgin of the World" got another outing there too, and I think that was also the first case of "lives of great men" (Longfellow) coming back to haunt us. Don't actually have _Out & Intake_, but maybe some pour soul who paid good money for it can add some from that :) - Andy From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Tue Sep 12 11:06:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:06:00 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind losing steam? Message-ID: As far as the recycling of tracks go, is that not a part of HW now? It is not like they just started to do it. By thw way, i heard the remake of Space is Deep in the new Dave Brock solo lp and it sounds great! i wish i could afford to buy the CD! Scott From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Sep 12 20:15:14 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 00:15:14 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind losing steam? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, Andrew Gilham wrote: > > > > IITBOTFTBD: > > Title from liner notes to _Space Ritual_! > Isn't that just a little picky? Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Sep 12 10:50:40 1995 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:50:40 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind losing steam? In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Sep 12, 95 03:05:00 pm Message-ID: Dave writes: >Wastelands (instrumental version of Wastelands Of Sleep, and > significantly different IMO) I'd have to listen to these back-to-back, but solely from memory, I don't think these two tracks have *anything* in common, despite the name. 'Wastelands' is really cool, BTW, as was indicated in the Hawkbrawl '95 poll before I even heard it for the first time.....I agree that it's very good....but too short. Andy writes: > "Nuclear Drive" on _Church_ is really just "Nuclear Toy" (b-side) with > different words. Same thing here....I can't imagine that there is anything remotely similar between these two songs, but I haven't heard Nuclear Toy in quite awhile (only having it on the Who's Gonna Win the War single...as opposed to the Griffin 'Levitation'). There's not too much music in Nuclear Toy from what I remember, just the synthesised drum beat, with a HLL-riff playing in the background, and then at the end, a HLL-solo over top of some more sequenced electronics. Doesn't sound to me anything like Nuclear Drive. Sorry..... Keith H. PS. BTW, I agree with Carl, that HW remakes are just fine as long as they're creating something new with something classic.....Mask of the Morning is brilliant IMHO, and should really be considered an entirely new composition. But I would say that if you were a big lyric fan (I'm not), it might be a little annoying to hear the same lyrics sung over and over. 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D G/D A/D D/A A#dim7 Bm A/E E A e:||-2--3---0---2---0------2---0----0-||-----------|-0-----------------| B:||-3--3---2---3---2------3---2----0-||-----------|-2-----------------| G:||-2--4---2---2---0------4---2----1-||-----------|-2-----------------| D:||-0--0---0---0---2------4---2----2-||-----------|-2-----------------| A:||------------0---1------2---0----2-||-----------|-0-----------------| E:||---------------------------0----0-||-----------|-------------------| A D G/D A/D e:----------------------|-------------------|---------------------------| B:----------------------|-------------------|--------------10b(12)-10-8-| G:-------------------7--|-7--7~--------11-7-|---------------------------| D:---------------------9|-------------------|---------------------------| A:----------------------|-------------------|---------------------------| E:----------------------|-------------------|---------------------------| D G/D A/D D e:--------------10b(12)-10-|-----7h10p7---------10|-7-----------------------| B:-7-8-10------------------|-----------10---------|--10p7-------------------| G:--------7~---------------|-------------7--------|------9h10p9p7-9p7-77-7-9| D:-------------------------|----------------------|------------------9--9---| A:-------------------------|----------------------|-------------------------| E:-------------------------|----------------------|-------------------------| D/A A#dim7 e:----------------------12b(14).-b(14)12p10--12.| B:-----10-10h12h13p12p10-------------------12---| G:-9/11-----------------------------------------| D:----------------------------------------------| A:----------------------------------------------| E:----------------------------------------------| Bm A/E E e:b(14)12p10--12.-12-12b(14)12p10--12.-10h12p10--10|-------------------|| B:----------12-------------------12------------12--|12/14-12~----------|| G:-------------------------------------------------|-------------------|| D:-------------------------------------------------|-------------------|| A:-------------------------------------------------|-------------------|| E:-------------------------------------------------|-------------------|| (first pattern 4 times ) Once we... ...But pride it makes A E/A D/A E/A A E e:-------------------|------------------||-0---------------0--| B:-------------------|------------------||-2---------------0--| G:-------------------|------------------||-2---------------1--| D:-------------------|------------------||-2---------------2--| A:-------------------|------------------||-0---------------2--| E:-------------------|------------------||-----------------0--| stars.. un-til we fall for D C#7 F#m F#m/E# B7sus4/E B7 e:-2--------4----------|-2----------2-------|--2-------2---------| B:-3--------6----------|-2----------2-------|--5-------4---------| G:-2--------4----------|-2----------2-------|--2-------2---------| D:-0--------6----------|-4----------3-------|--4-------4---------| A:----------4----------|-4------------------|--2-------2---------| E:---------------------|-2------------------|--------------------| every one to see so I'll E A D E e:-0-------0----------|-2-----------------|-0------------------| B:-0-------2----------|-3-----------------|-0------------------| G:-1-------2----------|-2-----------------|-1------------------| D:-2-------2----------|-0-----------------|-2------------------| A:-2-------0----------|-------------------|-2------------------| E:-0------------------|-------------------|-0------------------| ( refrain... ) Ending wrap... ...in cities... in thee... D E A E/A e:-2-----------------|-0-----------------|-|-0-------------0---| B:-3-----------------|-0-----------------|-|-5-------------5---| G:-2-----------------|-1-----------------|-|-6-------------4---| D:-0-----------------|-2-----------------|-|-7-------------6---| A:-------------------|-2-----------------|-|-0-------------0---| E:-------------------|-0-----------------|-|-------------------| D/A Dm/A A e:--0---------1--------|-0-----------------|| B:--3---------3--------|-2-----------------|| G:--2---------2--------|-2-----------------|| D:--4---------0--------|-2-----------------|| A:--0---------0--------|-0-----------------|| E:---------------------|-------------------|| From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Tue Sep 12 12:58:20 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:58:20 +0000 Subject: Tab: In Thee Message-ID: For those who wish to add this nice piece of music to their unplugged (or plugged) repertoire. IN THEE (Words and Music by ALLEN LANIER) Tabbed (in ASCII!) by Dan Lindfors (lindfors at algonet.se) Comments on mistakes, suggestions for improvements (not the music, of course) and questions are welcome. Good Luck Dan From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Tue Sep 12 13:24:21 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:24:21 +0000 Subject: 2nd try of In Thee (tab) Message-ID: (Because of some strange mailingproblem I send this one again...) For those who wish to add this nice piece of music to their unplugged (or plugged) repertoire. IN THEE (Words and Music by ALLEN LANIER) Tabbed (in ASCII!) by Dan Lindfors (lindfors at algonet.se) Comments on mistakes, suggestions for improvements (not the music, of course) and questions are welcome. Good Luck Dan From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Tue Sep 12 12:36:37 1995 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:36:37 -0800 Subject: Off Topic Message-ID: > This is really off-topic but I thought as there is >a large British expat crowd here, someone could come to my >aid. I was wondering if there was somewhere on the net I >could get the English football (soccer results) > >Ta Are you in the USA? Where at- sometimes, the US National Public Radio will run raw BBC World Service feeds including sports news. "I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the sort of person I'm preaching to." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Sep 12 11:41:29 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:41:29 -0400 Subject: BOC IN ALBQ-FINALLY!! (Tubes?!?) In-Reply-To: <199509120238.AA06333@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Sep 11, 95 10:38:13 pm Message-ID: > > Manual and Jean state: > > > > > > > >On the same bill are The Tubes & April Wine. It is not clear who will > >be headlining, but it IS clear that BOC will blow them all away. > > > >Three BOC shows in one year!!! Life is good.......... Manuel & Jean > > > > > This is true, BOC will blow them away, but the Tubes can put on a pretty > fierce show also. ( At least they used to ) > Ahhh, The smell of burning leather... As we hold each other tight As our rivets rub together, Flashing sparks into the night... Wonder how good of a show they'll put on minus Vince Welnick (now with the Dead), Re Styles (acting career after Remote Control; did she change her name 'cuz I never heard of her after that), and I'm thinking that Prairie Prince left the band to play with Todd Rundgren. Anybody know the lineup? > > Duane ( WPOD ) Mom and dad live in Hollywood, Hang myself when I get enough rope... > > -- > " You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." > Bob Dylan > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Sep 12 11:41:58 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:41:58 -0400 Subject: Off Topic Message-ID: >Are you in the USA? Where at- sometimes, the US National Public Radio will >run raw BBC World Service feeds including sports news. I am in Greenville, North Carolina. Do you have any information about frequency and times of these broadcasts Martyn From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Sep 12 11:48:27 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:48:27 -0400 Subject: Nuclear Drive=Nuclear Toy NOT!! In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Sep 12, 95 03:05:00 pm Message-ID: > > In-Reply-To: <23195.9509121215 at abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> > > Recycled tracks on HW studio albums: > > > > Sonic Attack: Sonic Attack (a rather dire version, IMO) > > Plus, the lyrics for "Angels of Death" partially reprise "Born to Go" > > > Choose Your Masques: Silver Machine > > Plus the b-side to the 7" is (a perfectly dreadful version of) > "Psychedelic Warlords" > > > > > IITBOTFTBD: > > Title from liner notes to _Space Ritual_! > > "Nuclear Drive" on _Church_ is really just "Nuclear Toy" (b-side) with > different words. "Virgin of the World" got another outing there too, and > I think that was also the first case of "lives of great men" (Longfellow) > coming back to haunt us. > Nuclear Toy=Nuclear Drive, Homey don't think so... These track share one thing in common, the word "Nuclear"; the music and lyrics are not anywhere close to being the same > Don't actually have _Out & Intake_, but maybe some pour soul who paid > good money for it can add some from that :) > > - Andy > Well, as I view _O&I_ as being a collection of "alternate takes" along with some rare (well, they were at the time, before countless rehashings on various compilations) tracks, I really can't slag it. Can't really think of anything to add from it, either... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Sep 12 11:52:40 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:52:40 -0400 Subject: Off Topic In-Reply-To: <9509121541.AA07001@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Sep 12, 95 11:41:58 am Message-ID: > > >Are you in the USA? Where at- sometimes, the US National Public Radio will > >run raw BBC World Service feeds including sports news. > I am in Greenville, North Carolina. Do you have any > information about frequency and times of these broadcasts > > Martyn > Can't help you with the frequency, but truck on down to Atlanta; there is a Pub (forgot the name, but it is in Buckhead or Roswell) that caters to the expatriate English community. They have a satellite feed of the games (which start around 2300) and provide a traditional English break- fast around 0200. Bit late for this old man... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From mbraun at HYDRA.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM Tue Sep 12 12:00:18 1995 From: mbraun at HYDRA.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:00:18 CDT Subject: BOC IN ALBQ-FINALLY!! (Tubes?!?) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 12 Sep 95 11:41:29 EDT." <9509121541.AA10862@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> Message-ID: Craig Shipley writes: >and I'm thinking that Prairie >Prince left the band to play with Todd Rundgren. He did, but Todd's tour is done, so he might be with them... As for the rest, I haven't a clue. m@ +-mbraun at urbana.mcd.mot.com-+- So who wants a riot--People should be quiet ---+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Don't we give 'em good TV? | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | You can learn to love | +--Dangerous Projects Team--+-- your lifetime of distraction. ---------[JR]-+ From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Tue Sep 12 14:52:15 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:52:15 +0000 Subject: In Thee correction! Message-ID: Sigh!... I've already found a mistake myself. The following chords, of course, look like this: F#m F#m/E# e:---2------2----| B:---2------2----| G:---2------2----| D:---4------3----| A:---4-----------| E:---2-----------| From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Sep 12 17:56:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:56:00 BST-1 Subject: Nuclear Drive=Nuclear Toy NOT!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9509121548.AA10898 at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> Craig says > Nuclear Toy=Nuclear Drive, Homey don't think so... > > These track share one thing in common, the word "Nuclear"; the music and > lyrics are not anywhere close to being the same This made me do a real double-take, as I distinctly recall listening to _Church_ when I got it, and instantly recognising "Nuclear Drive" as "Nuclear Toy". So, I had to go back and check! What it is, is that the _CoH_ "ND" is very similar to the "NT" on Weird 101, and the "NT" b-side is actually quite a radical re-arrangement of that original. Listening to those two common descendants of the same original, as it were, I can see why it's not obvious. If you've got Weird 101 and still disagree, then we'll have to agree to disagree! :) > Well, as I view _O&I_ as being a collection of "alternate takes" along > with > some rare (well, they were at the time, before countless rehashings on > various compilations) tracks, I really can't slag it. Can't really think > of anything to add from it, either... Oh, I'm more than happy to slag it! :) Looking in the Codex, what about "Hassan I Sabha", "Ejection", and "Solitary Mind Games". - Andy From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 12 18:14:36 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:14:36 BST Subject: Nu-clear codex Message-ID: Here's the (now infamous) Codex(TM) listings.... Nuclear Drive 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] 1 Angels of Death 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] * Based on the music from version 1 of Nuclear Toy Nuclear Toy 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock 2 Who's Gonna Win the War?/ Nuclear Toy 7" 2 Levitation [Griffin CD Only] 2 Silver Machine CD cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 12 18:22:37 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:22:37 BST Subject: Increasingly Off Topic In-Reply-To: Maxine Wesley's message of Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:35:39 +0100 Message-ID: > > Football crazy > He's football mad > The football it has taken away > The little bit of sense he had > And it would take a thousand ????? > To ??????????????????? > The night he became a member > Of that terrible football club > > what an interestingly sanitised version. I've only ever heard the Glasgow accented version which went something like.... He's fitba crazy, he's fitba mad And the fitba it has taken a' The wee bit sense he had. And it would take a dozen skivvies To {....? ...} When wee Jock became a member o' that Turrible fitba club. And, no, I don't remember the 5th line either tho' it might have something to do with cleaning off the mud of a football pitch but I'm not sure! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 12 18:37:47 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:37:47 BST Subject: Increasingly Off Topic In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:22:37 BST Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > > > > Football crazy > > He's football mad > > The football it has taken away > > The little bit of sense he had > > And it would take a thousand ????? > > To ??????????????????? > > The night he became a member > > Of that terrible football club > > > > > > what an interestingly sanitised version. I've only ever heard the > Glasgow accented version which went something like.... > > He's fitba crazy, he's fitba mad > And the fitba it has taken a' > The wee bit sense he had. > And it would take a dozen skivvies > To {....? ...} > When wee Jock became a member o' that > Turrible fitba club. > > And, no, I don't remember the 5th line either tho' it might have > something to do with cleaning off the mud of a football pitch but I'm > not sure! > > jill > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- He's Football crazy He's football mad The football it has taken away The little bit of sense he had And it would take a thousand servants To wash his clothes and scrub The day he became a member Of that terrible football club FoFP From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Tue Sep 12 14:01:52 1995 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:01:52 -0400 Subject: Nuclear Drive Message-ID: Andy said: >> This made me do a real double-take, as I distinctly recall listening to _Church_ when I got it, and instantly recognising "Nuclear Drive" as "Nuclear Toy". So, I had to go back and check! What it is, is that the _CoH_ "ND" is very similar to the "NT" on Weird 101, and the "NT" b-side is actually quite a radical re-arrangement of that original. Listening to those two common descendants of the same original, as it were, I can see why it's not obvious. >> and then Jill backed this up with the Codex entry. Well this definitely clears it up (for me anyway) as I was with Andy on the "of course Nuclear Toy == Nuclear Drive", why ? because I don't have the b-side or (Griffin) Levitation version, but simply the Wierd 101 version. Of course I assumed the b-side and the Wierd version were at least roughly the same. So now I find out there's another damn single or CD i have to track down ;-) bastards, bastards, bastards...... I tell you the money I'd save if it weren't for this list :-) :-) Cheers, Steve L. From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Sep 12 20:04:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:04:00 BST-1 Subject: Increasingly Off Topic Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9509121837.aa19578 at uk.ac.ed.castle> > And it would take a thousand servants I'm sure it was only a dozen in my (pre-metrication :) day.... - Andy From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Tue Sep 12 15:11:04 1995 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:11:04 -0400 Subject: Nuclear Drive/Levitation In-Reply-To: <199509121801.OAA03036@dogberry> from "Stephen Lindsey" at Sep 12, 95 02:01:52 pm Message-ID: Steve writes: > > Well this definitely clears it up (for me anyway) as I was with Andy > on the "of course Nuclear Toy == Nuclear Drive", why ? because > I don't have the b-side or (Griffin) Levitation version, but simply > the Wierd 101 version. Of course I assumed the b-side and the > Wierd version were at least roughly the same. > > So now I find out there's another damn single or CD i have to track down ;-) > bastards, bastards, bastards...... > > I tell you the money I'd save if it weren't for this list :-) :-) > > Cheers, > Steve L. Hey, Steve: If you *are* real interested in getting the Griffin 'Levitation' release in order to get the "new" Nuclear Toy version, I just saw a used copy the other day for $9 (US) I think. I could try to pick it up for you if you want. (Thought about buying it myself, but I already have the old single, and couldn't justify the purchase.) E-mail if interested...Keith H. (khenders at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) From NSTK33A at PRODIGY.COM Tue Sep 12 15:46:02 1995 From: NSTK33A at PRODIGY.COM (ROB MAERZ) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:46:02 -0400 Subject: 2nd try of In Thee (tab) Message-ID: -- [ From: Rob Maerz * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- Digger: How does one play an E#??? : P ... dice roll so... F#m F#m/E# B7sus4/E B7 E A e:-3---------2--------|-2--------2---------|-0--------0---------| B:-3---------2--------|-5--------4---------|-0--------2---------| G:-3---------2--------|-2--------2---------|-1--------2---------| D:-5---------4--------|-4--------4---------|-2--------2---------| A:-5------------------|-2--------2---------|-2--------0---------| E:-3------------------|-0------------------|-0------------------| thanx again Dan! I will post a solo for Cities on Flame in the key of B#... { : ROBODUDE ______________________________________________________ Q: What's a BOC Web site 2 cheap to have a BOC logo on it? A: Underbelly Online! http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html message boards, tape trades, links and library (coming soon!) ______________________________________________________ From NSTK33A at PRODIGY.COM Tue Sep 12 15:45:17 1995 From: NSTK33A at PRODIGY.COM (ROB MAERZ) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:45:17 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Cities on flame... Message-ID: -- [ From: Rob Maerz * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- this is the Cities Tab that Digger sent me a few months ago...[I got some notes in here as well...] ------- FORWARD, Original message follows ------- Date: Wednesday, 28-Jun-95 07:51 AM From: Dan Lindfors \ Internet: (lindfors at algonet.se) To: Rob Maerz \ PRODIGY: (NSTK33A) Subject: Cities on flame... Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll e:--------------------|-----------------------|--------------------| B:--------------------|-----------------------|--------------------| G:--------------------|-----------------------|--------------------| D:--------------------|----- -4-- -2- --2--------|--------------- -----| A:--------------------|-- -3h4 -3h4 -3h4 -3p2p0---|------------------- -| E:-2----5----2------|-25---------------- -2-0|-2----5---- 2--------| [okay...first off, you'll notice the "2-5-2" on the E string...it's easier to play that "A" open: A- - 0 E- 2 - 2 I'm pretty sure that's how BOC plays it in concert...also what is important is finger positioning on the opening riff...you should stay in second position thruout the whole riff... D:--------------------|----- -4-- -2- --2--------|--------------- -----| A:------0------------- 0 -3h4 -3h4 -3h4 -3p2p0---|-------0----------- --| E:-2--------2------|-2---------------- -2-0|-2------ --2--------| with your ring finger on the C#, you'll be able to nail that F# on the D string by just bending your finger like you're doin' a barre...] (2 times) My heart is black and my lips are cold F#m e:------------------------||--------------------|--------------------| B:------------------------||--------------------|--------------------| G:------------------------||--------------------|--------------------| D:------4---2---2---------||--------------------|--------------------| A:---3h4-3h4-3h4-3p2p0----||-----------3--------|-----------3--------| E:-25-----------------2-0-||-2--5--2------------|-2--5--2------------| Cities on flame with rock-and-roll Three thousand guitars they E F#m e:--------------------|--------------------|--------------------| B:--------------------|--------------------|--------------------| G:--------------------|--------------------|--------------------| D:--------------------|--------------------|--------------------| A:-----------2--------|-----------2--------|-----------3--------| E:-0--4--0------------|-0--4--0------------|-2--5--2------------| seem to cry My ears will melt and then my eyes so let E e:-------------------|--------------------|--------------------| B:-------------------|--------------------|--------------------| G:-------------------|--------------------|--------------------| D:-------------------|--------------------|--------------------| A:-----------3-------|-----------2--------|-----------2--------| E:-2--5--2-----------|-0--4--0------------|-0--4--0------------| [the following part I like to play power chords...to each his own... I play D5, A5, B5 and then end it with: D:-9--9--9------------ A:-6--6--6------------ E:-7--7--7------------ I like the power chords cuz it retains a "heavy" flavor to the song] the girl let that girl rock and roll Cities on flame now D A B e:-----------------------|----------------------|--------------------| B:7--5---3---7---5---3---|-2---2----2-----------|--------------------| G:-----------------------|-2---2----2-----------|-4-4--6---4---------| D:7--5---4---7---5---4---|-2---2----2-----------|---------------4----| A:-----------------------|-0---0----0-----------|-6-6--7---6----6----| E:-----------------------|----------------------|--------------------| Back to riff... with rock and roll F#m e:--------------------||---------------| B:--------------------||---------------| G:--------------------||---------------| D:-9--9--9------------||---------------| A:-6--6--6------------||---------------| E:-7--7--7------------||-2---5---2-----| That's what the songbook says. The following is my apprehension of the rest. Before break... e:|-----------------------|-------------------| B:|-----------------------|-------------------| G:|-----------------------|-------------------| D:|------4---2---2--------|-------------------| A:|---3h4-3h4-3h4-3p2p0---|-------------------| E:|-25-----------------2-0|-2---5---2---------| e:------------------------------|-------------------| B:------------------------------|-------------------| G:---------------5p4p2-5p4p2-5/6|-------------------| D:------4---2-------------------|-------------------| A:---3h4-3h4-3h4----------------|-------------------| E:-25---------------------------|-------------------| e:------------------------------|-----8p7p5---------|------------------- | B:------------------------------|5h7--------7-------|5------------------ | G:---------------5p4p2-5p4p2-5/6|-------------------|------------------- | D:------4---2-------------------|-------------------|------------------- | A:---3h4-3h4-3h4----------------|-------------------|------------------- | E:-25---------------------------|-------------------|------------------- | ( 4 times ) And your ravage A B e:5p4p2-5p4p2-4p2--2---------------------------|---0--------2------| B:---------------5--5p4-5p4p2-5p4p2-5p4p2-5p4p2|---2--------4------| G:---------------------------------------------|---2--------4------| D:---------------------------------------------|---2--------4------| A:---------------------------------------------|---0--------2------| E:---------------------------------------------|-------------------| F# pentatonic solo until the bitter/happy end... e:-----------!-------| B:---------A---------| G:-------A-----------| D:-----A-------------| A:---E---------------| E:-Y-----------------| ------- FORWARD, End of original message ------- From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Sep 12 18:34:24 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:34:24 -0400 Subject: News from watt re: 7" Message-ID: Folks, FYI: The latest news from Watt is as follows: "there's a 7" of _e-ticket_ride_ b/w _the_big_bang_theory_ and _dominance_and_submission_ out in about a month on columbia. pic/drawing of me in the econoline making a left. tour starts sep 21 and goes 'till halloween. watt " From stuarth at CBR.DIT.CSIRO.AU Tue Sep 12 19:56:18 1995 From: stuarth at CBR.DIT.CSIRO.AU (Stuart Hungerford) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:56:18 +1000 Subject: HW: Differences with Aussie Releases ? In-Reply-To: <9509120621.AA00838@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> from "Martyn Lawrence" at Sep 12, 95 04:21:32 pm Message-ID: quoth Martyn Lawrence: > > The Aussie pressing of Hawklords - 25 Years on is marked as published in > > 1979, not > > 1978. The marking appears on the bottom of the label rather than left of > > centre as > > well. > > I'll have to check my vinyl copy of this (which I bought in 1979 or 1980 here) - the writing on it is pink though. Thanks be to BOC-L people though for telling me about the "car-doors-for-angels-wings" concept behind that album. From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Sep 12 21:22:53 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 19:22:53 -0600 Subject: Redondo & Ventura shows. In-Reply-To: <950912183423_97737905@mail02.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: BLUE OYSTER CULT The Strand, Redondo Beach, CA September 2nd, 1995 Stairway To The Stars Dr. Music Dominance & Submission Before The Kiss ( A Red Cap) See You In Black Take Me Away Cities On Flame Last Days Of May In Thee (Acoustic) ME 262 Burnin' For You Godzilla Don't Fear The Reaper Joan Crawford This Ain't The Summer Of Love The Red & The Black After all of the years of growing up in Southern California, I never had the chance of seeing a concert at The Strand in Redondo Beach. The Club itself is very intimate and the PA system is great. So, after a 12 hour drive and a quick visit to my parents (4 hours is always more than enough), Jean & I found ourselves once again in California making a pilgrimage to worship the sign of Cronos. The Men in Black were back in Southern California!!! And we would be attending 2 rituals; The Strand and the next night at the Ventura Theater. Before the show began, Jean & I had a chance to talk to Buck briefly. He was dressed in blue jeans and a black sports coat and, as always, was smiling at everybody. We talked about his equipment and then Jean gave him a t-shirt from the UFO Encounter'95 at Roswell, NM. He thanked us and went backstage. For some strange reason I always feel very nervous when I am around the Oyster Boys, so I probally said something stupid to Buck. In all of the years of seeing them, I NEVER tire of BOC. We may have many heated discussions on this list regarding which is the best or worst album, or any other subject matter. However, once the lights go down and the theme to Bladerunner begins, I become lost in total musical awe of these guys. The music of BOC is timeless........... From where Jean & I sat, we had a perfect view of the whole show. It began, as predicted, with Stairway To The Stars and led directly into Dr. Music. Up next was one of my favorite Cult tunes that I have not heard them play live in a few years; Dominance & Submission!! The pace of the show was very upbeat and energetic. And this did not let up with the show standard of ETI. Four songs into the set and the club was in a frenzy. It was at this point that Eric introduces the "new kid" playing the bass. His name is Danny Miranda and hails from Long Island. Before The Kiss begins and Buck is in fine form on vocals and with his black Steinberger wailing away like this was a brand new song. And speaking of new songs, up next we are treated to an actual new song by the name of " I Like To See You In Black ". I really loved this tune and it went over very well with the audience. I am still amased at the complex time changes of this song. However, Eric did not even mention anything about a new album to be " out in the near future " as other list members have written. All Eric said was that it was a new song. Take Me Away and Cities On Flame were played back to back, which really sounds cool together since they are both in the same key of F#. Buck's fretboard showcase tonight is Last Days Of May, which he introduced as a "true story". Everything must have been feeling good for Buck because his solo was just breathtaking. I heard alot of re- working of parts during the solo, which included alot of slow chroma- tic scale work, milking each note for that perfect pitch. As a guitar player, I could almost cry at how emotional Buck could bend the notes. Mr. Dharma is perhaps one of the most underrated guitar players of our time. And he only gets better with age. I thought that his solo during Last Days Of May was the highlight of the evening, but I was wrong. The roadies brought out a stool for Allen and then Eric informs the crowd that we are in store for " some- thing a little different." Yes, In Thee was performed acoustically for the first time in So Cal. I was disappointed that they did not do The Great Sun Jester, but I was later informed by a fan club member that Eric still did not feel comfortable with that song. Furthermore, they were breaking in a new bass player. ME 262 was up next and then on to "The Big 3" of Burnin' For You, Godzilla, and The Reaper. Personally, I think that Burnin' should be excluded from the set for awhile. Godzilla, on the other hand, was given new life with the tremendous bass attack of Danny Miranda. I hope that Danny stays in the band as a permanent member. He IS that good, folks!! And the show ended with The Reaper. Unlike Burn- in' For You, Reaper is a song that I can never tire of hearing live or on CD. The encore seemed to be rushed due to the fact that the band had to leave the stage by 9pm so the club could set up for its Disco Night. Talk about flashbacks to the 70's. MUSEUM OF CULT; THE PILGRIMAGE CONTINUES ........ After the show, we were invited to Bolle's Museum of Cult where we were treated to demo versions of Don't Fear The Reaper and The Vigil. The Vigil was originally called The Devil Has A Hangnail and has some pretty funny lyrics. In addition, we got to hear the original version of Lips In The Hills. It was originally called Hold Me Tight and sounds alot like a Beach Boy song. We were further acquainted that evening with the BOC's No. 1 fan; Che Quicksilver, who had everyone's attention when telling some of his road stories with the band. Che is a very nice person and is going to send me photo negatives and live tapes of the band. Jean & I met alot of people from AOL. We met Rocker 22 who rode his Harley to the show and then rode all the way back to Oklahoma, Rob- ert Reich, who is a very nice person, and Oysterette from Phoenix. I think that we were the only BOC-L folks at the show. It was time to go look for a sleazy motel. Tomorrow we are going up the coast to Ventura for another show. On Tour Forever (well, at least for Labor Day Weekend). Ventura Theater, Ventura, CA September 3rd, 1995 Stairway To The Stars Dr. Music OD'ed On Life Itself ETI Before The Kiss (A Redcap) See You In Black Take Me Away Cities On Flame Astronomy In Thee (Acoustic) ME 262 Burnin' For You Godzilla Don't Fear The Reaper Dominance & Submission The Red & The Black Once again, in all the years I lived in So Cal, I never got to see a show at this old converted movie house. There were more people at this show (about 500) and quite noticable were members of the local chapter of the Hell's Angels. This particular show was more energetic by the band, but there were also some technical difficulties. For example, Buck broke a string during Before The Kiss. Then, while the young roadie was replacing the broken string, he accidentally turned the volume knob up and all the schreeching and feedback blanked out Buck's guitar playing. Buck ran to the side of the stage to tell the roadie to turn it down. In addition to a drunken biker wandering on stage and a girl screaming and falling on the stage, it was a loud, very loud show. The set list was only slightly different; OD'ed On Life & Astronomy were played, and D & S was played as an encore for those "biker brothers in the audience". We returned to NM to hear the news that BOC will be playing at an outdoor festival (probally related to the Balloon Fiesta) on OCt 14th. The Tubes & April Wine are also scheduled to appear, but it is not clear who will headline. " Safe Sex, Caffine, & Classic Rock !! " Manuel & Jean Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Sep 12 21:32:10 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 19:32:10 -0600 Subject: 2nd try of In Thee (tab) In-Reply-To: <013.01187545.NSTK33A@prodigy.com> Message-ID: Rob- E# is played the same as an F natural For example, E# Ma is the same as F Natural Ma. This pattern works for barre chords, but not always for open chords. Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Wed Sep 13 15:05:54 1995 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:05:54 EST Subject: Hawkon In-Reply-To: ; from "Paul Ward" at Sep 12, 95 08:50:04 pm Message-ID: Hi I watched a programme on the local community tv last night which featured an hour on kiss and the kiss convention. The idea was basically loads of stalls selling a range of kiss products even a bedspread for $600.Anyway kiss went there a did a Q&A session with the fans.I thought this was a really good idea ,I know that the band used to be very communicative with the fans ,but not so much now apparently,so this would be excellent idea for the hawks to do at the proposed hawkon. I believe that kiss played a short set after this Q&A session,from what I saw the fans really enjoyed themselves. Did anyone on the list go to the first hawkon? Was this Q&A session done there? regards Marty From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Sep 13 00:16:03 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 00:16:03 -0400 Subject: BOC IN ALBQ-FINALLY!! (Tubes?!?) Message-ID: All I know about the Tubes is that Buck Dharma is a fan, he once said so in an interview w/Jim Ladd. He was talking about how it surprised him that more people didn't appreciate bands who used humour in their lyrics (such as BOC and the Tubes) and he refferred to the Tubes as "great"... Chuck From bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM Wed Sep 13 01:46:59 1995 From: bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 21:46:59 -0800 Subject: Redondo & Ventura shows. Message-ID: On Tue 12-Sep-1995 7:22p, jean l delacour wrote: jd> BLUE OYSTER CULT jd> The Strand, Redondo Beach, CA jd> September 2nd, 1995 jd> Burnin' For You jd> Godzilla jd> Don't Fear The Reaper Personally, I wish they'd drop these three from the set entirely. They're good songs but you always *know* they'll play 'em. Too predictable. jd> Ventura Theater, Ventura, CA jd> September 3rd, 1995 jd> Burnin' For You jd> Godzilla jd> Don't Fear The Reaper See? Couldn't they at least change the order? jd> Astronomy were played, and D & S was played as an encore for those jd> "biker brothers in the audience". They should've done 'Golden Age of Leather'.... jd> We returned to NM to hear the news that BOC will be playing at jd> an outdoor festival (probally related to the Balloon Fiesta) on jd> OCt 14th. The Tubes & April Wine are also scheduled to appear, but jd> it is not clear who will headline. Dang, I gotta find out if there's a San Diego date coming up... jd> " Safe Sex, Caffine, & Classic Rock !! " jd> Manuel & Jean jd> Jean Delacour jd> University of New Mexico jd> Parish Library jd> Alb, NM 87131-1496 jd> delacour at unm.edu ||\ * Ask me for my PGP Key! "San Diego's ||< * Brokedown Palace! 619-596-1974/7419 Original |_||/ * jbrooks at bpalace.com Grateful BBS" From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Wed Sep 13 06:23:28 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:23:28 +0000 Subject: Cities on Flame Message-ID: > e:--------------------|-----------------------|--------------------| > B:--------------------|-----------------------|--------------------| > G:--------------------|-----------------------|--------------------| > D:--------------------|----- -4-- -2- --2--------|--------------- > -----| > A:--------------------|-- -3h4 -3h4 -3h4 -3p2p0---|------------------- > -| > E:-2----5----2------|-25---------------- -2-0|-2----5---- > 2--------| > > I'm pretty sure that's how BOC plays it in concert... Hmm... I'm not sure if I'm prepared for that yet. :-) I didn't show up right, did it? (or is it just my mailer?) You have my permission to send it again - in another form perhaps (attachment?)? I fully agree with your comments, Robo. Yes, it's better to play those powerchords and maybe improvise from that. Those notes were some kind of lame translation from the musicbook, and, I admit, not really useful. I've been thinking of sitting down some day to make a decent tabbing with most of the guitarwork, with sizzling solos.. When I get some time for it... Digger Dan From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Wed Sep 13 06:25:11 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:25:11 +0000 Subject: 2nd try of In Thee (tab) Message-ID: > Digger: > > How does one play an E#??? > : P > > > ... dice roll so... > F#m F#m/E# B7sus4/E B7 E A > e:-3---------2--------|-2--------2---------|-0--------0---------| > B:-3---------2--------|-5--------4---------|-0--------2---------| > G:-3---------2--------|-2--------2---------|-1--------2---------| > D:-5---------4--------|-4--------4---------|-2--------2---------| > A:-5------------------|-2--------2---------|-2--------0---------| > E:-3------------------|-0------------------|-0------------------| > > thanx again Dan! > I will post a solo for Cities on Flame in the key of B#... > { : > Awake are we? :-) Actually, in this case I followed what the old musicbook whispered to me, and I didn't think of it. Still, I don't believe it's incorrect notation (as Jean already has said). (Surely you saw that I made a later correction on these chords, didn't you?) Last night I've tried to check it up. What I found in my encyclopedia was that sometimes you can even use double signs for lowering or highering (is that english?) the notes, that is F# # would mean a F made to a G! The reason for this strange notation, I suppose, has to do with all those people down in the large white buildings in Washington D.C... (Digression: yes, the sound is awful on Live 76, but it has in my opinion excellent versions of Cities, Astronomy and Buck's Boogie) No, more likely, it has to do with musical theory, that I have NO whatsoever knowledge of. Yes, do post a solo, in any mysterious key, but not suited for the old stun-guitar of yours ;-) Dr Dan From Niko.Makila at CSC.FI Wed Sep 13 04:41:14 1995 From: Niko.Makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:41:14 +0300 Subject: 2nd try of In Thee (tab) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:25:11 -0000." <199509130823.KAA14814@aristotle.algonet.se> Message-ID: Dan's message dated: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:25:11 -0000 > > Last night I've tried to check it up. What I found in > my encyclopedia was that sometimes you can even use double signs for > lowering or highering (is that english?) the notes, that is F# # would mean a > F made to a > G! The reason for this strange notation, I suppose, has to do with > all those people down in the large white buildings in Washington > D.C... Actually I think that the reason lies in good ole physics. In a natural scale F## would not be the same as a G and C# wouldn't be the same as a Db etc. But because today's instruments are almost exclusively tuned in X tuning (sorry, but you'll have to insert the English word for X, because I forgot it just now) to help playing in different keys they in practise are the same note. By the way the reason that there exists Bach's toccatas and fugues in all imaginable keys is that he tried to make the (then all new) X-tuning famous. And now it is famous, although I don't think that all credit on that goes to Bach. A good singer, violist, etc., can actually sing or play those notes and the difference is just hearable. //niko ObCDPlayer: Miles Davis, Sketches of Spain From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Wed Sep 13 06:39:03 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:39:03 +0100 Subject: New News Group In-Reply-To: <9509121837.aa19578@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: alt.rec.He'sFootballcrazy at boc-l.LISTSERV.SPC.ETC ! The final lyrics then are.. It would take a dozen servants To wash his clothes and scrub The night he became a member of That terrible boc-l club. and I think I ought to shut up now before I get my private 'flamings' for being off topic A(not really)B ;) alias Stephen Swann alias ObAnyBodyElseToBlame (max) From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Sep 13 12:24:12 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:24:12 BST Subject: Nuclear Drive=Nuclear Toy NOT!! In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:56:00 BST-1 Message-ID: > > Well, as I view _O&I_ as being a collection of "alternate takes" along > > Oh, I'm more than happy to slag it! :) Looking in the Codex, what about > "Hassan I Sabha", "Ejection", and "Solitary Mind Games". They're live versions. On the evidence of O&I and Zones, I would slag off mixed live/studio albums as being neither one thing nor the other. But HotMG, PXR5 and Palace Springs counter that argument rather effectively ;-). Dave. From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 13 12:11:37 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:11:37 BST Subject: Hawkon In-Reply-To: Martyn Lawrence's message of Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:05:54 EST Message-ID: Martyn Lawrence writes: > Hi > I watched a programme on the local community tv last night > which featured an hour on kiss and the kiss convention. > The idea was basically loads of stalls selling a range of kiss > products even a bedspread for $600.Anyway kiss went there a did > a Q&A session with the fans.I thought this was a really good idea > ,I know that the band used to be very communicative with the fans > ,but not so much now apparently,so this would be excellent > idea for the hawks to do at the proposed hawkon. > I believe that kiss played a short set after this Q&A session,from > what I saw the fans really enjoyed themselves. > > Did anyone on the list go to the first hawkon? > Was this Q&A session done there? I have a video of the convention. There were quite a few stalls with guys trading stuff and in some cases just displaying various Hawk rarities. I'd hazard that a lot of the piccies in Rob Godwin's book may have come from there. There was no obvious question and answer session though members and ex-members were going around amongst the fans so some informal sessions would probably have occurred. The music wasn't all it could have been given that people who hadn't played together in years (or maybe nhad never ever played together) were playing unrehearsed. Brock also disappeared before the mucic session for some reason. It's something that if done well could be very good. However if the usual organisation prevails then I'm not so sure it'll happen that way. There's also the question of whether the folks in the band will be sensible enough to drop any frictions and arguments for a day and let any and all ex-members come along. It's something to encourage though. > regards > > Marty FoFP From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Wed Sep 13 10:28:40 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:28:40 +0000 Subject: 2nd try of In Thee (tab) Message-ID: > > Last night I've tried to check it up. What I found in > > my encyclopedia was that sometimes you can even use double signs for > > lowering or highering (is that english?) the notes, that is F# # would mean a > > F made to a > > G! The reason for this strange notation, I suppose, has to do with... > > > Actually I think that the reason lies in good ole physics. In a > natural scale F## would not be the same as a G and C# wouldn't be the > same as a Db etc. But because today's instruments are almost > exclusively tuned in X tuning (sorry, but you'll have to insert the > English word for X, because I forgot it just now) to help playing in > different keys they in practise are the same note. > > By the way the reason that there exists Bach's toccatas and fugues in > all imaginable keys is that he tried to make the (then all new) > X-tuning famous. And now it is famous, although I don't think that all > credit on that goes to Bach. > > A good singer, violist, etc., can actually sing or play those notes and > the difference is just hearable. > > //niko Interesting! I makes the # # notation understandable. But this would not quite explain those guitarchord notations, would it? Why name the chord as F#m/E# and not F#/F? Could it be that the song is in A major and therefore from the beginning you, so to speak, already have # for C, F and G? Where is Doctor Music? From Niko.Makila at CSC.FI Wed Sep 13 08:54:43 1995 From: Niko.Makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:54:43 +0300 Subject: 2nd try of In Thee (tab) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:28:40 -0000." <199509131227.OAA17861@aristotle.algonet.se> Message-ID: Dan's message dated: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:28:40 -0000 > > Interesting! I makes the # # notation understandable. But this would not > quite explain those guitarchord notations, would it? Why name the > chord as F#m/E# and not F#/F? Could it be that the song is in A > major and therefore from the beginning you, so to speak, already have # for C > , > F and G? That could be the reason. Another point is that for some strange reason the people who do guitar songbooks are clueless. I'd be happy if I heard a good explanation why guitar songbooks are generally much poorer in quality than piano songbooks. Guess why I prefer piano stuff although I play guitar? (Actually I bought a piano few weeks ago so now I can put the old books in proper use.) > Where is Doctor Music? On the neverending tour, isn't he? //niko From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Wed Sep 13 10:00:33 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:00:33 -0400 Subject: 2nd try of In Thee (tab) In-Reply-To: <199509130841.LAA15123@darkstar.csc.fi> from "Niko Makila" at Sep 13, 95 11:41:14 am Message-ID: > Actually I think that the reason lies in good ole physics. In a > natural scale F## would not be the same as a G and C# wouldn't be the > same as a Db etc. But because today's instruments are almost > exclusively tuned in X tuning (sorry, but you'll have to insert the > English word for X, because I forgot it just now) to help playing in > different keys they in practise are the same note. "Even-tempered" I believe. It was invented for keyboards, which of course can't be tuned in the same ways as violins, voices, etc. Cheers, Carl From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Sep 13 10:12:28 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:12:28 -0500 Subject: Secret Agent = HW: Retread Tracks? In-Reply-To: <199509121335.JAA29594@wjh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > Well, on ET "Mask of Morning" was a retread of "Mirror of Illusion" > from the first album (mind you, a very worthwhile retread IMHO) and Secret > Agent was a retread of "On the Case" (I think) from one of the Brock solo > albums. But I liked that too ... I was unaware of this one. Which Brock solo lp was it from? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Wed Sep 13 10:25:50 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:25:50 -0400 Subject: Secret Agent = HW: Retread Tracks? In-Reply-To: from "Allan T Grohe Jr" at Sep 13, 95 09:12:28 am Message-ID: > > Well, on ET "Mask of Morning" was a retread of "Mirror of Illusion" > > from the first album (mind you, a very worthwhile retread IMHO) and Secret > > Agent was a retread of "On the Case" (I think) from one of the Brock solo > > albums. But I liked that too ... > > I was unaware of this one. Which Brock solo lp was it from? Um, either the first or second, but I'm not sure since I have only the CD version which combines the two early Brock solo albums (minus a track or two). The song _has_ changed from the earlier form, but its ancestry is pretty clear. Carl From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 13 15:44:38 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:44:38 BST Subject: Secret Agent = HW: Retread Tracks? In-Reply-To: Allan T Grohe Jr's message of Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:12:28 -0500 Message-ID: Allan T Grohe Jr writes: > On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > > Well, on ET "Mask of Morning" was a retread of "Mirror of Illusion" > > from the first album (mind you, a very worthwhile retread IMHO) and Secret > > Agent was a retread of "On the Case" (I think) from one of the Brock solo > > albums. But I liked that too ... > > I was unaware of this one. Which Brock solo lp was it from? It's from "Earthed To The Ground" FoFP From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Sep 13 11:02:33 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:02:33 -0500 Subject: Secret Agent = HW: Retread Tracks? In-Reply-To: <199509131425.KAA21851@wjh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > > Well, on ET "Mask of Morning" was a retread of "Mirror of Illusion" > > > from the first album (mind you, a very worthwhile retread IMHO) and Secret > > > Agent was a retread of "On the Case" (I think) from one of the Brock solo > > > albums. But I liked that too ... > > > > I was unaware of this one. Which Brock solo lp was it from? > > Um, either the first or second, but I'm not sure since I have only > the CD version which combines the two early Brock solo albums (minus a > track or two). The song _has_ changed from the earlier form, but its > ancestry is pretty clear. I obviously have been neglecting some aspects of my HW collection for far too long then, as I also have the cd, though I've no recollection of a track similar to SA... In a similar vein, do people generally listen to just one era of HW? When I have a deep need to hear HW, it's generally for the '71-75 period, sometimes for '76-79, almost never for '80-84, occassionally for '85-'89, and often for '90+. I guess what I'm trying to get at is, are there areas of HW that you too neglect? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Wed Sep 13 13:25:16 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:25:16 +0000 Subject: 2nd try of In Thee (tab) Message-ID: Niko wrote: > Another point is that for some strange > reason the people who do guitar songbooks are clueless. I'd be happy > if I heard a good explanation why guitar songbooks are generally much > poorer in quality than piano songbooks. > I don't have any opinion of that. You could be right. However, the old musicbooks where they gave you piano/vocal-arrangements of what was essentially guitarmusic were not that good. And for us who doesn't easily read notes it sure was a pain. Albert said something of a coming BOC guitartab-book, but I rather fear that we'll have to wait long for that one... Dan From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Sep 13 11:47:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:47:00 EDT Subject: BOC set changes Message-ID: I'm a list newbie and I joined because of my Hawkwind inclinations, but somebody plucked my BOC string. (I still haven't figured out how these 2 bands came to be combined on this list.) I have to admit only a passing interest in BOC. The reason was touched on by the person who wrote : "jd> Burnin' For You jd> Godzilla jd> Don't Fear The Reaper Personally, I wish they'd drop these three from the set entirely. They're good songs but you always *know* they'll play 'em. Too predictable." (for some reason some of you get the real sender's name, but all I get is "owner-boc-l") I OD'ed on these songs when they were on active playlists. It got to the point where they made my personal "change the station" list. Since I've joined the list, I'd been considering giving BOC another chance and I love most concerts, but hearing any or all of these songs would be a low point for me. I had the same thing happen with "Stairway to Heaven," only much faster. There is nothing (IMO) so compelling in these songs that even a hard core fan wouldn't mind if they did something else instead. Who hasn't heard them many times? They are certainly a repellent for this potential fan. Sorry BOC people, I had to get this off my chest. Maybe this is the 1st step in my salvation. ( )--(a) (@=@=) \ Rudy the ferret mage O__) \ \___ \ \ /\ * ) \ From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Sep 13 12:49:40 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:49:40 -0400 Subject: Secret Agent = HW: Retread Tracks? In-Reply-To: from "Allan T Grohe Jr" at Sep 13, 95 10:02:33 am Message-ID: > > On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, Carl E. Anderson wrote: CHOMP! > > > > Um, either the first or second, but I'm not sure since I have only > > the CD version which combines the two early Brock solo albums (minus a > > track or two). The song _has_ changed from the earlier form, but its > > ancestry is pretty clear. > > I obviously have been neglecting some aspects of my HW collection for far > too long then, as I also have the cd, though I've no recollection of a > track similar to SA... > I am not jumping on Allan here, 'cuz I agree with him... With all due respect, this is starting to reach a little. On_The_Case and Secret_Agent deal with the same similar topic (detective in one, secret agent in another), but the songs aren't the same. Hell, if we are trying to find common ancestry, just call Brock their pappy and be done with it! Brock deals with certain, reoccuring topics in his writings; it would be hard _not_ to find a precious reference/version/lyrical thread, if you look hard enough. I think Brock likes to expand/expound certain ideas as they age... Next thing you know, someone will be comparing I_Robot & Spirit_Of_The_Age and calling them the same song... Oh yeah, I don't have Weird 101, so if Nuclear Toy sounded like Nuclear Drive on that release (or vice versa), I'll buy that explanation. Some things are just kinda hard to find here in the Southern US... (grumpy old fart mode OFF) > In a similar vein, do people generally listen to just one era of HW? > When I have a deep need to hear HW, it's generally for the '71-75 period, > sometimes for '76-79, almost never for '80-84, occassionally for '85-'89, > and often for '90+. > > I guess what I'm trying to get at is, are there areas of HW that you too > neglect? I tend to blow off the real early releases, but from SR on, I have a pretty active interest in most all the releases. I tend to steer away from ZONES and a couple of others from the mid-80's and the material after ELECTRIC TEPEE does little to warrant excessive "airplay", but other than that, the rest all spend about equal time on the CD or cassette deck. > Allan. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 > iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ > iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu > > "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." > - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Wed Sep 13 18:06:46 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:06:46 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind and Bridgette Message-ID: Can someone tell me what ever happened to Bridgette? What other albums does she sing on besides Space Bandits? I found her voice to be a breath of fresh air hearing it with the Hawks. Duane -- " You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." Bob Dylan From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Wed Sep 13 18:15:36 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:15:36 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Cities on flame... Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Sep 1995 Rob Maerz wrote: > Subject: Cities on flame... > basic riff deleted > I'm pretty sure that's how BOC plays it in concert...also what > is important is finger positioning on the opening riff...you should > stay in second position thruout the whole riff... yup yup yup then: My heart is black and my lips are cold > F#m > e:------------------------||--------------------|--------------------| > B:------------------------||--------------------|--------------------| > G:------------------------||--------------------|--------------------| > D:------4---2---2---------||--------------------|--------------------| > A:---3h4-3h4-3h4-3p2p0----||-----------3--------|-----------3--------| > E:-25-----------------2-0-||-2--5--2------------|-2--5--2------------| > this 3 should be a 4 each time Looks pretty good to me onther than that. Al From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Sep 13 18:34:00 1995 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:34:00 PDT Subject: New News Group Message-ID: >alt.rec.He'sFootballcrazy at boc-l.LISTSERV.SPC.ETC !> >The final lyrics then are.. >It would take a dozen servants >To wash his clothes and scrub >The night he became a member of >That terrible boc-l club. >and I think I ought to shut up now before I get my private 'flamings' for >being off topic >>>>>>A(not really)B<<< from "Duane Hoyt" at Sep 13, 95 06:06:46 pm Message-ID: Duane writes: > > Can someone tell me what ever happened to Bridgette? What other albums > does she sing on besides Space Bandits? I found her voice to be a breath > of fresh air hearing it with the Hawks. > > Duane I don't think she's on any other HW albums (though can't remember about California Brainstorm....but I think this was from the third recent US tour, with HW as a three-piece...no Bridgett, no Harvey). But she does appear on the Traveller's Aid Trust album, as a member of the Hippy Slags I believe, which also featured Richard's girlfriend if I'm not mistaken. May have been the connection that led to Bridgett joining HW, other than just the fact that both played at free festivals. I seem to remember that Bridgett may have left to be a modern dance instructor, or something along those lines. Can anybody confirm or deny that possibility? Also, she appeared on the live video called 'Live Legends' in some areas of the world......very good that one (esp. if you want to actually see the band members), although the fire antics at the end get a bit tedious. But real nice to see Simon performing with the band in the 90's. Keith H. P.S. Just wish Bridgett had done the lighted juggling club bit during Snake Dance on the video, like she did on the '90 (?) US tour. It was *real* cool. From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Wed Sep 13 21:59:04 1995 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:59:04 -0700 Subject: Hawkwind and Bridgette In-Reply-To: <199509132312.TAA03080@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith A Henderson" at Sep 13, 95 07:12:29 pm Message-ID: > > Duane writes: > > > > Can someone tell me what ever happened to Bridgette? What other albums > > does she sing on besides Space Bandits? I found her voice to be a breath > > of fresh air hearing it with the Hawks. > > > > Duane > > I don't think she's on any other HW albums (though can't remember about > California Brainstorm....but I think this was from the third recent US tour, > with HW as a three-piece...no Bridgett, no Harvey). She's also on Palace Springs. -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Wed Sep 13 22:15:19 1995 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:15:19 CDT Subject: HW: Review - Astounding In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:36:45 -0400 from Message-ID: >> >> > "Kerb Crawler" is so damn near commercial 70's pop/rock it's not >> > funny! >> >> This was mixed by Dave Gilmour, I think. >> >> >Dave thinks correctly. It was Dave Gilmour that produced that track. Didn't Brian Eno have a hand in one of the tracks from ASAM ? Maybe Eno mixed and Gilmour produced KC, can anyone confirm this? Doug From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Wed Sep 13 22:50:50 1995 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:50:50 CDT Subject: HW: Retread Tracks? In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:54:00 EDT from Message-ID: Another is Heads from XC, first released on the Agents of Chaos EP. One of my favorite "new and improved" retreads is In the Office from the aboved mention EP transformed into Treadmill off Palace Springs. Doug From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Wed Sep 13 23:10:10 1995 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:10:10 CDT Subject: Nuclear Drive=Nuclear Toy NOT!! In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:24:12 BST from Message-ID: >They're live versions. > >On the evidence of O&I and Zones, I would slag off mixed live/studio albums >as being neither one thing nor the other. But HotMG, PXR5 and Palace Springs >counter that argument rather effectively ;-). True, but on the other hand over mixing like on The Biz Trip with the audience noise sounding so pathetic is a case of taking it to far. Its like a simple tape loop mixed over the top. I remember someone on the list saying "stoned people just don't yell like that". :-) Doug From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Sep 14 00:47:54 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 00:47:54 -0400 Subject: Secret Agent = HW: Retread Tracks? Message-ID: Allan - I don't have all the albums yet, have heard several tunes from most time frames, but I have all major releases from '70-'75 (well, still just a dodgy dub of Warrior), and most from '85-'91. But there is no doubt which era I'm prone to...early '70s (especially Doremi/Space Ritual). Nothing like Del and Dikmik working as a team, makes for quite a trip... Chuck From Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK Thu Sep 14 08:12:56 1995 From: Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK (Norman Beresford) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:12:56 +0100 Subject: The Mire of the eighties (was Re: Secret Agent et al) Message-ID: >In a similar vein, do people generally listen to just one era of HW? >When I have a deep need to hear HW, it's generally for the '71-75 period, >sometimes for '76-79, almost never for '80-84, occassionally for '85-'89, >and often for '90+. > >I guess what I'm trying to get at is, are there areas of HW that you too >neglect? I admit to a pathological haterd of the Charisma stuff. I know a lot of people really rate Rob Calvert as a front man but I can't stand his stuff. Possibly the best song they've ever done (Spirit Of the Age) is really amazing on Live 79 but listern to it on Quark and it's fairly dire. Some of the stuff on CotBS is really good (I really love Chaos Army and Horn of Destiny) but albums like Quark and AS,AS really put me off HW. I suppose the best indicator is that out of the griffen box set I play disk 1 the most with disk 4 following quite a way behind. Doremi has to be the best album (bar brainstorm). Mind you I have to admit I've been overdosing on Eat Static and System 7 recorded at Glastonbury, and a fine comp. tape with Tricky's cover of Black Steel taking the honours. Norman From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 14 14:10:38 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:10:38 BST Subject: calling Ron Jennings Message-ID: Could you get in touch with me by email please... It's about the tshirts Cheers FoFP From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Thu Sep 14 09:25:35 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:25:35 -0400 Subject: The Mire of the eighties (was Re: Secret Agent et al) In-Reply-To: <199509141212.NAA11692@earth.ftech.co.uk> from "Norman Beresford" at Sep 14, 95 01:12:56 pm Message-ID: > I admit to a pathological haterd of the Charisma stuff. I know a lot of > people really rate Rob Calvert as a front man but I can't stand his stuff. > I suppose > the best indicator is that out of the griffen box set I play disk 1 the most > with disk 4 following quite a way behind. I would have thought that most of the Calvert stuff was on disk 3, but I can't remember it well off hand ... Carl From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Thu Sep 14 09:28:21 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:28:21 -0400 Subject: Secret Agent = HW: Retread Tracks? In-Reply-To: from "Allan T Grohe Jr" at Sep 13, 95 10:02:33 am Message-ID: > In a similar vein, do people generally listen to just one era of HW? > When I have a deep need to hear HW, it's generally for the '71-75 period, > sometimes for '76-79, almost never for '80-84, occassionally for '85-'89, > and often for '90+. I have nearly identical listening habits, except my listening to post _XC_ stuff is much more patchy. Lots of _PS_ and _TBT_, the rock tracks from _ET_ and almost never to _IITBOTFTBD_. Not a big dance/ambient fan ;) though I've listened to _Anubian Lights_ much more than _IITBOTFTBD_ ... Carl From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 14 14:45:30 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:45:30 BST Subject: Hawkwind and Bridgette In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:06:46 -0400 Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: > Can someone tell me what ever happened to Bridgette? What other albums > does she sing on besides Space Bandits? I found her voice to be a breath > of fresh air hearing it with the Hawks. She was in "The Hippy Slags" but I dunno if they recorded anything. > > Duane FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 14 14:49:02 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:49:02 BST Subject: Hawkwind and Bridgette In-Reply-To: Keith A Henderson's message of Wed, 13 Sep 1995 19:12:29 -0400 Message-ID: Keith A Henderson writes: > Duane writes: > > > > Can someone tell me what ever happened to Bridgette? What other albums > > does she sing on besides Space Bandits? I found her voice to be a breath > > of fresh air hearing it with the Hawks. > > > > Duane > > I don't think she's on any other HW albums (though can't remember about > California Brainstorm.... I think this was from the same tour as Palace Springs(?) It doesn't have any of Wishart's solo tracks on it through which I found disappointing. > but I think this was from the third recent US tour, > with HW as a three-piece...no Bridgett, no Harvey). But she does appear on the > Traveller's Aid Trust album, as a member of the Hippy Slags I believe, which > also featured Richard's girlfriend if I'm not mistaken. May have been the > connection that led to Bridgett joining HW, other than just the fact that both > played at free festivals. I believe she joined as a friend of Harvey(?) > I seem to remember that Bridgett may have left to be a modern dance > instructor, or something along those lines. Can anybody confirm or > deny that possibility? I'd heard that she went back to college so that might fit. > Keith H. FoFP From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Sep 14 19:52:54 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 23:52:54 +0000 Subject: HW: Hawkdisks 15/9/95 Message-ID: Gidday All from Down Under! The HawkDisk WWW pages have been updated! If you are after a particular HW recording, point your Web Browser at either: http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ifoundhw.html or http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/gimmehw.html ------------------------- If you only have a UNIX text interface to the net, use the LYNX or WWW programs by typing the following at your shell prompt: lynx http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ifoundhw.html or lynx http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/gimmehw.html or www http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ifoundhw.html or www http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/gimmehw.html ------------------------- If you only have e-mail, you can still have a peek at these doco's! All you gotta do is send mail to listproc at www0.cern.ch. In the body of the message, include the following text: www http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ifoundhw.html or www http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/gimmehw.html or, if you want the WWW links as well, type: deep http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ifoundhw.html or deep http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/gimmehw.html ------------------------- Happy Kollecting! Assassin Sonique' -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Sep 14 20:02:30 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 00:02:30 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind and Bridgette In-Reply-To: <199509132206.AA20280@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, Duane Hoyt wrote: > Can someone tell me what ever happened to Bridgette? What other albums > does she sing on besides Space Bandits? I found her voice to be a breath > of fresh air hearing it with the Hawks. Her main claim to fame is 'Back in the Box'! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Sep 14 15:12:01 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:12:01 BST Subject: Secret Agent = HW: Retread Tracks? In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:28:21 -0400 Message-ID: > > In a similar vein, do people generally listen to just one era of HW? Generally I listen to stuff from the last 10 years. I've heard the older stuff too often to get big thrills from it anymore, but I dip into it occasionally. Sometimes I latch onto one album or another (e.g. ISOS, PXR5). I hardly ever listen to the 79-85 period (between PXR5 and Live Chronicles, both of which I like). I wouldn't say I'm a big dance/ambient fan, but I like spacey stuff, and IITBOTFTBD still has just about enough of that for me. Oh, and I like reggae. Ob70sTrash: ELP. Why oh why did I ever like them? From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Sep 14 10:38:48 1995 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:38:48 -0400 Subject: Secret Agent = HW: Retread Tracks? Message-ID: In a message dated 95-09-14 09:33:08 EDT, Carl writes: >I've listened to _Anubian Lights_ much more than _IITBOTFTBD_ Stirring the shit, are we? regards, Bill Stewart From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Sep 14 10:59:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 10:59:00 EDT Subject: HW listening Ruts and Bridgette Message-ID: I tend to listen to the stuff from '85 on a lot more than the older stuff. Although, it may be due to a mental block that Mike Holmes has helped me lift. I'll be off next week so I'll fire up the old stuff again. I listen to the Live Chronicles the most of all. I like a good bit of Space Bandits too (I duck here). I do like the atmospheric tunes but they have to have a strong guitar line or something to anchor them. One of my biggest disappointments with HW is that they get into something I really like and then lose it in the swirl. The Damnation Alley on _PS_ is a perfect example. The 1st 3 minutes or so are great and then it just loses steam and drifts nowhere. I have made a tape of bits I like that I play a lot too. Things like Jack of Shadows and Uncle Sam's on Mars from the murky era are there. I happened to catch a live date where they did all of Space Bandits (slipped in Snake Dance and Angels of Death along the way). I had not gotten the album yet and I was amazed when Bridgette came out with the opening number. Last thing I expected from those grizzled, no talent rockers, almost choked on my cider. My jaw stayed open from that point on because I was in new ground most of the night. She added a whole new dimension with the vocals and the masked dancing. I can only hope she drifts in again at some point. ( )--(a) (@=@=) \ Rudy the ferret mage O__) \ \___ \ \ /\ * ) \. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Sep 14 12:09:22 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 12:09:22 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind and Bridgette Message-ID: >Can someone tell me what ever happened to Bridgette? What other albums Bridget and I have been happily married for several years now. I particularly like it when she comes into the bedroom wearing the swimming suit and plastic goggles M (don't you know you're only dreamin 8) From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Thu Sep 14 10:04:56 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:04:56 EST Subject: BOC: Guitar Magazine Article Message-ID: Did anyone see the BOC article in the Sept. issue of Guitar Magazine? The article was about '3 Guitar' bands and BOC was the cover photo for the article. At the very end, BOC is mentioned under the heading "Beyond 3 Guitars"where the author writes of the famous 5 guitar jam. I'm glad I bought the issue ttfn, Brian From thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM Thu Sep 14 14:24:00 1995 From: thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM (Matt Thompson) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:24:00 E Subject: BOC: Guitar Magazine Article Message-ID: >Did anyone see the BOC article in the Sept. issue of Guitar Magazine? Yeah that was great although I was hoping they would have a longer write up since their picture was first. It's worth while always checking out the different guitar magazines as BOC occasionally pops up. Also worth checking out is Guitar Shop magazine. Buck is a regular contributor, mostly reviewing high-end signal processing equipment. It's probably pretty dry for a non-musician but it's cool getting a whole page worth of words of wisdom from the man! I always make it a habit of at least skimming all the music mags at my newstand looking for BOC stuff. Every once in a while you find some gems. Seven years ago Modern Drummer had a great article on Al written by Deb! Does anyone remember Buck's Guitar Secrets column for Guitar for the Practicing Musician in the mid 80s? Matt Thompson thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Sep 14 14:35:41 1995 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas B. Pearson) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:35:41 -0700 Subject: Hawkwind and Bridgette Message-ID: I think that this will be the most accurate (so far) Bridget Wishart discography: with the Hippy Slags: * "Cat's Mother" on the 'Travellers' Aid Trust' compilation (I was under the impression that Richard was also a member of the 'Slags, but I could be wrong. At this time, Bridget was a schoolteacher, and performed in fear of one of her students recognizing her onstage) with Hawkwind: * 'Palace Springs' (studio tracks only: "Back in the Box", "Treadmill") * 'Space Bandits' * 'California Brainstorm' (recorded on the second recent US tour with the five- piece lineup. I should know, I was there ... ) * 'Never Ending Story of the Psychedelic Warlords' (CD with the Italian book - live tracks only, since "Hi-Tech Cities" is a studio recording) ... and also the video that someone already mentioned. I'm pretty sure that's a complete listing ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Thu Sep 14 14:40:12 1995 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:40:12 CDT Subject: Hawkwind and Bridgette Message-ID: > Bridget and I have been happily married for several years >now. I particularly like it when she comes into the bedroom wearing >the swimming suit and plastic goggles Hey Martyn, does she moan your mothers name too... :-) Doug From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Sep 14 15:40:05 1995 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:40:05 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind and Bridgette Message-ID: In a message dated 95-09-14 15:00:30 EDT, you write: >Hey Martyn, does she moan your mothers name too... :- Isn't that--anothers name--if were both thinking of the infamous Calvert line in"Spirit of the Age" regards, Bill Stewart From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Thu Sep 14 15:53:20 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:53:20 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind and Bridgette In-Reply-To: <199509141852.OAA22252@listserv.spc.edu> from "Doug" at Sep 14, 95 01:40:12 pm Message-ID: > > Bridget and I have been happily married for several years > >now. I particularly like it when she comes into the bedroom wearing > >the swimming suit and plastic goggles > > Hey Martyn, does she moan your mothers name too... :-) That's "_another's_ name" .... Carl From abrevard at SHL.COM Thu Sep 14 17:56:00 1995 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:56:00 PDT Subject: Directory Status Update Message-ID: Hi folks mighty, mighty quiet today. Anyway here is the latest status of the directory. If there are no objections there will be two different attachments comming out pretty soon, one will be condensed and put into a standard format which includes five feilds: Name: Age: Handle: Primary Band: Email address: The other will include all of the other detailed aspects of each persons responses, (wait till you see Al's). Before this can be done I will publish a listing of people needing to furnish some information relative to the above five fields. When you see the listing posted please send your responses directly to me as opposed to the list. When the lists are published hope to also give everybody some interesting figures such as number of suscribers (who responded at least) average age overall, average age of BOC side/HW side, youngest and oldest etc., BTW For anybody planning to attend the BOC show at Jaxx, Springfield VA 10/20 I know where discount tickets for the show can be obtained after this Sunday 9/17. In the words of ZZ Top "let me know if you wanna go..." Five in the CD player: Saigon Kick - The Lizard Saigon Kick - Saigon Kick Saigon Kick - Water (Was making a tape sorry) Maze - Live Imaginos -who else? AB From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Sep 14 16:15:17 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:15:17 -0400 Subject: Anothers Name Message-ID: sfunny, I heard it as " her mother's name" when I first heard it. Very Freudian ;-). In the official lyric file, it does say "another's name" Martyn From riordan at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU Thu Sep 14 17:38:01 1995 From: riordan at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Phillip A Jaeger) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:38:01 -0500 Subject: BOC: Release Date Message-ID: Just stopped at BlockBuster music. They have ONE copy of WoT on order for delivery Tues. Sept 26th. phillip a jaeger ==> riordan at mail.utexas.edu =================================================================== if your circles could be spirals? and your idols were machines? you could pick up all the signals, and fly from where you've been. -Are You Receiving Me? Golden Earring ('73) From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 14 23:15:24 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 23:15:24 BST Subject: Anothers Name In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:15:17 -0400 Message-ID: > sfunny, I heard it as " her mother's name" when I first > heard it. Very Freudian ;-). In the official lyric file, > it does say "another's name" > Yep! I thought it was that too until I read the official lyrics 8-) Seemed a bit strange but then all Calvert's stuff has hidden edges that you don't discover until later and I simply assumed there was sommat deeply significant that I'd missed...... Actually, at the time there was an American song being played a lot on the radio where this guy was giving advice about the best way of making an impression with your girl during a date so that you eventually invite her back to your house and you have coffee and things go on from there (maybe it wasn't a song, it was more a recital while the "Stars and Stripes" sounded in the background). Anyhow the final dramatic climax as the "Stars and Stripes" reached its climactic end was a great sigh and he says "That was my mother's name". Yes, well. Ahem, anyhow, back to the matter in hand. After listening to that lot, somehow Calvert's line didn't seem so wierd as it might have been - but "another's name" is much more reasonable under the circumstances I guess - though I'm mildly curious to know where an android replica could have been unfaithful if she'd been in space with him all this time. Or maybe she was a cheap reconstituted model that was reverting to past memories from buried cybermemories. Or maybe I'm just havering..... night all 8-) jill obintensedislike> office politics ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Sep 14 18:46:12 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 16:46:12 -0600 Subject: BOC: Guitar Magazine Article In-Reply-To: <30586519@osoft_nt.buckhead.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Sep 1995, Matt Thompson wrote: > > Does anyone remember Buck's Guitar Secrets column for Guitar for the > Practicing Musician in the mid 80s? > > Matt Thompson > thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com Matt- Yeah, I only have one of those articles, something about hand putty for warming up your fingers. Do you have any old articles you can share with the list? Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu Sep 14 23:23:23 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 23:23:23 -0400 Subject: Recycled Hawksongs Message-ID: After reading some of the previous posts about the Hawks redoing songs under different names, and re-editing and such, I went and listened to a bunch of my cd's and discovered another recycle I hadn't seen posted yet. I noticed that the song Social Alliance on Zones is the same song as Out of the Shadows on Space Bandits. The words are all different, but the music is almost identical, note for note, with the exception of there being more lead guitar added to Social Alliance. Also on Live Chronicles, versr two of Choose your Masques is the last portion of MM's Warrior's on the Edge of Time from Intake and Outake. Duane -- " You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." Bob Dylan From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Fri Sep 15 05:13:17 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 05:13:17 -0400 Subject: BOC: Release Date Message-ID: Phillip Jaeger said: >Just stopped at BlockBuster music. >They have ONE copy of WoT on order for delivery Tues. Sept 26th. Presumably this is still only the US date, any sign of a UK release date yet? Is it going to get a UK/European release? Anyone any idea. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Sep 15 09:11:45 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:11:45 -0400 Subject: BOC: Release Date In-Reply-To: from "Phillip A Jaeger" at Sep 14, 95 04:38:01 pm Message-ID: > > Just stopped at BlockBuster music. > They have ONE copy of WoT on order for delivery Tues. Sept 26th. > > phillip a jaeger ==> riordan at mail.utexas.edu > =================================================================== > > if your circles could be spirals? > and your idols were machines? > you could pick up all the signals, > and fly from where you've been. > > -Are You Receiving Me? > Golden Earring ('73) > Me hopes that you put your dibs on that copy! I'll just wait until the local Best Buy gets their shipment in... (Love the quote in you .sig! Probably GE's best album overall. Would love to see it get the SBM/gold disk treatment...) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From sop04afw at GOLD.AC.UK Fri Sep 15 09:11:11 1995 From: sop04afw at GOLD.AC.UK (Andrew Wilson) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:11:11 +0100 Subject: I guess i'll see you all on the ice Message-ID: okay shall be unsubscribing for a few days az i'm off to !a job! at derby uni; be resubbing when they sort out providing me w/an account. short communos: mike: tha tenner will *definitely* be in the post on tuesday. thanx for yore patience. andy: nice to meet you last night (thankfully i made it home w/out being nicked) yg obvinyl 'buying' at friendly nottinghilxchange: in return for ropey old 9pin dot matrix p-er: vinyl copy of qs&c (at last!); hype-sir robert; inner marshland -mr bevis; stoned crazy-outskirts of infinity. From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Sep 15 09:49:54 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:49:54 -0400 Subject: Anothers Name In-Reply-To: <9509142315.aa03488@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Sep 14, 95 11:15:24 pm Message-ID: > I'm mildly curious to know where an > android replica could have been unfaithful if she'd been in space with > him all this time. I always thought that was part of the joke: despite that the android alone with him in space all these years his luck was so bad that she "moaned another's name" *anyway* ... Carl From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Sep 15 14:57:09 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:57:09 BST Subject: hw: Wots been happening??? Message-ID: Hiya, I've been away for a week or two and got back to find the tour dates and an all-nighter have been announced. Has anyone got the album or single yet? Any good? Who else is up for the all-nighter? My tickets should be arriving any day now. cheers - Rob From tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Sep 15 10:15:08 1995 From: tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Tox) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:15:08 -0400 Subject: Anothers Name In-Reply-To: <199509151349.JAA08586@wjh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > I'm mildly curious to know where an > > android replica could have been unfaithful if she'd been in space with > > him all this time. > > I always thought that was part of the joke: despite that the > android alone with him in space all these years his luck was so bad that > she "moaned another's name" *anyway* ... > > Carl > I always concentrated more on the context: the replica "is playing up again" i.e. malfunctioning as a toaster or auto might. Thus, he has an android replica of his girlfriend which, due to a bad line of code or a crossed wire, goes "ohhhhhh Nik" during intimate moments. Kind of a distracting bug... From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Sep 15 15:37:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:37:00 BST-1 Subject: hw: Wots been happening??? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9509151357.AA00394 at etlxd20c> > Hiya, I've been away for a week or two and got back to find > the tour dates and an all-nighter have been announced. Has anyone > got the album or single yet? Any good? Guess what? It's late! :) > Who else is up for the all-nighter? My tickets should be arriving > any day now. > > cheers - Rob > Who else is up for the all-nighter? My tickets should be arriving > any day now. > > cheers - Rob I just got mine this lunchtime - I think we're going have a mega-boc-l meet... "12 hours of Hawkwind's techno trips and psychedelic dreams, plus many special guest bands" it says here. - Andy From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Sep 15 10:50:46 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 10:50:46 -0400 Subject: Anothers Name Message-ID: >circumstances I guess - though I'm mildly curious to know where an >android replica could have been unfaithful if she'd been in space with As I understood it, he left his real girlfriend on earth to fly a space mission. Due to the relativistic time dilation effect which he incurred, she would have been old when he returned to earth while he would still be the same age. And of course, her parents refused to let her be frozen while he was away (bastards :-). Consequently, on his return to earth, he had to make do with an android replica of his girlfriend which (who?) had evidently been misprogrammed to moan another's (or her mother's :) name at the point of climax. I ask you, is that the spirit of the age? Martyn PS I wonder if one day it will be possible to build an android replica of Bridget Wishart From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Sep 15 16:05:36 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:05:36 BST Subject: hw: Wots been happening??? Message-ID: > > Hiya, I've been away for a week or two and got back to find > > the tour dates and an all-nighter have been announced. Has anyone > > got the album or single yet? Any good? > > Guess what? It's late! :) > No surprises there then. :) > > I just got mine this lunchtime - I think we're going have a mega-boc-l > meet... > > "12 hours of Hawkwind's techno trips and psychedelic dreams, plus many > special guest bands" it says here. > Should be good, the ads for the tour in the Melody Maker last week said the same and they had a cool picture of a gangly-looking, Rockwell-esque alien. I'm off to see the Ozrics, Eat Static and System 7 at Brixton next week in a 16 hour all-nighter. 28 hours of psychedelic music in two gigs within the space of a month. My brain is gonna implode!!! bye - Rob From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 15 11:17:30 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:17:30 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind and Bridgette Message-ID: duane asks:>>>>>Can someone tell me what ever happened to Bridgette? What other albums does she sing on besides Space Bandits? I found her voice to be a breath of fresh air hearing it with the Hawks.<<<<<< bridgette only did the one studio album,but was on palace springs,and california brainstorm,also the italian book neverending story of the psychedelic warlords disk.she was in the hippy slags who performed on the travellor's aid trust. i don't know the name of the band she's in now,but i wouldn't expect to see her with the hawks again. she didn't make the 91 U.S. tour because her boyfriend wouldn't let her go!i do know she is in an active band,richard chadwick told me the name but i've forgotten it. rj From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 15 11:18:08 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:18:08 -0400 Subject: Hawkon Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's also the question of whether the folks in the band will be sensible enough to drop any frictions and arguments for a day and let any and all ex-members come along.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< in new haven, ct., april 1995,dave brock was asked if any former members would be invited to attend.i don't remember dave's response well enough to quote him,but he basically said no,and hinted that m. moorcock could possibly guest.of course,at that time,the con was being planned for this fall,so plans could have changed drastically. rj From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Sep 15 11:35:33 1995 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:35:33 -0400 Subject: Recycled Hawksongs In-Reply-To: <199509150323.AA09667@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Sep 14, 95 11:23:23 pm Message-ID: Duane writes: > > After reading some of the previous posts about the Hawks redoing songs > under different names, and re-editing and such, I went and listened > to a bunch of my cd's and discovered another recycle I hadn't seen > posted yet. I noticed that the song Social Alliance on Zones is the > same song as Out of the Shadows on Space Bandits. The words are all > different, but the music is almost identical, note for note, with the > exception of there being more lead guitar added to Social Alliance. > Nah....can't be. I seem to remember that Dave Brock didn't even write the music to 'Out of the Shadows', but that it was written by an American Hawkfan (can't remember his name at the moment). But it's possible that in "covering" the song, Brock has put his indelible stamp on it such that there might be a true similarity between the two. I must admit that thinking about the two songs in question, they don't seem *that* much different. Keith H. From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Sep 15 11:37:03 1995 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:37:03 -0400 Subject: What's the subscribe address? In-Reply-To: <199509150323.AA09667@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Sep 14, 95 11:23:23 pm Message-ID: Hey, folks: Someone is interested in joining the list, but I'm not sure what the subscribe address is: Is it: boc-request at listserv.spc.edu now?? Keith H. From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 15 11:40:43 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:40:43 -0400 Subject: calling Ron Jennings Message-ID: hi. i e-mailed you a week ago today.i told you that you could chew me out on the list...maybe it got lost. i mailed the payment on fri sept.8! again i apologize for the delay. ron jennings- (rj) rjpxr5 From DH2 at BES.LEEDS.AC.UK Fri Sep 15 12:50:27 1995 From: DH2 at BES.LEEDS.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:50:27 GMT Subject: Anothers Name Message-ID: > As I understood it, he left his real girlfriend on > earth to fly a space mission. Due to the relativistic time dilation > effect which he incurred, she would have been old when he returned > to earth while he would still be the same age. I don't understand this. Surely, all the girl had to do was wait until she was old enough to sign her own medical consent forms to be frozen? Then the spaceman could have still returned to his girlfriend only very slightly older than she was when he left? Slightly less pedantically, although I'm mainly on this list for the BOC content, I really do think that Spirit of the Age is one of the best lyrics that anyone has ever written. Dave Hardman From sop04afw at GOLD.AC.UK Fri Sep 15 12:06:32 1995 From: sop04afw at GOLD.AC.UK (Andrew Wilson) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:06:32 +0100 Subject: What's the subscribe address? In-Reply-To: <199509151537.LAA06026@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Keith A Henderson wrote: > Hey, folks: > > Someone is interested in joining the list, but I'm not sure what the subscribe > address is: > Is it: boc-request at listserv.spc.edu now?? > Keith H. i hope so, otherwise this account is going to get a bit clogged up . . . yg From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Fri Sep 15 12:10:10 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:10:10 -0500 Subject: Moorcock and Hawkon In-Reply-To: <950915111726_100238349@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Sep 1995 RJPXR5 at AOL.COM wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > There's also the question of whether the folks in the band will be > sensible enough to drop any frictions and arguments for a day and let > any and all ex-members come along.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > in new haven, ct., april 1995,dave brock was asked if any former members > would be invited to attend.i don't remember dave's response > well enough to quote him,but he basically said no,and hinted that > m. moorcock could possibly guest. I don't imagine that's very likely, as MM seems to pretty much consider Brock a thief/cheapskate and doesn't _want_ to work with him. I think MM would be much more likely to make appearances in company with Nik, etc. rather than Brock. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 15 17:13:54 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:13:54 BST Subject: Recycled Hawksongs In-Reply-To: Keith A Henderson's message of Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:35:33 -0400 Message-ID: Keith A Henderson writes: > Duane writes: > > > > After reading some of the previous posts about the Hawks redoing songs > > under different names, and re-editing and such, I went and listened > > to a bunch of my cd's and discovered another recycle I hadn't seen > > posted yet. I noticed that the song Social Alliance on Zones is the > > same song as Out of the Shadows on Space Bandits. The words are all > > different, but the music is almost identical, note for note, with the > > exception of there being more lead guitar added to Social Alliance. > > > > Nah....can't be. I seem to remember that Dave Brock didn't even write the > music to 'Out of the Shadows', but that it was written by an American Hawkfan > (can't remember his name at the moment). But it's possible that in "covering" > the song, Brock has put his indelible stamp on it such that there might be a > true similarity between the two. I must admit that thinking about the two > songs in question, they don't seem *that* much different. I'd thought that the section near the end of Out Of The Shadows is a straight take from Hades Deep. > Keith H. FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 15 17:15:05 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:15:05 BST Subject: calling Ron Jennings In-Reply-To: RJPXR5@aol.com's message of Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:40:43 -0400 Message-ID: RJPXR5 at aol.com writes: > hi. i e-mailed you a week ago today.i told you that you could chew me out on > the list...maybe it got lost. > i mailed the payment on fri sept.8! > again i apologize for the delay. No, I got the cash it's just that I didn't have a "Ron Jennings" on the tshirts list. > ron jennings- (rj) rjpxr5 However, I do have an rjpxr5 so problem solved :-) Cheers FoFP From sop04afw at GOLD.AC.UK Fri Sep 15 12:20:13 1995 From: sop04afw at GOLD.AC.UK (Andrew Wilson) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:20:13 +0100 Subject: erk! unsub Message-ID: okay having tried bocl-request at listserv.spc.edu boc-request@ BOCL-request@ BOC-request@ with no luck, could one of the list-wizards please remove me? humble, grovelling apologies &c yg/afw From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 15 17:20:04 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:20:04 BST Subject: Anothers Name In-Reply-To: David Hardman's message of Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:50:27 GMT Message-ID: David Hardman writes: > > As I understood it, he left his real girlfriend on > > earth to fly a space mission. Due to the relativistic time dilation > > effect which he incurred, she would have been old when he returned > > to earth while he would still be the same age. > > I don't understand this. Surely, all the girl had to do was wait > until she was old enough to sign her own medical consent forms to be > frozen? Yeah, I'd always thought that was the bug in the idea. > Dave Hardman FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 15 17:23:37 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:23:37 BST Subject: Moorcock and Hawkon In-Reply-To: Allan T Grohe Jr's message of Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:10:10 -0500 Message-ID: Allan T Grohe Jr writes: > On Fri, 15 Sep 1995 RJPXR5 at AOL.COM wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > There's also the question of whether the folks in the band will be > > sensible enough to drop any frictions and arguments for a day and let > > any and all ex-members come along.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > in new haven, ct., april 1995,dave brock was asked if any former members > > would be invited to attend.i don't remember dave's response > > well enough to quote him,but he basically said no,and hinted that > > m. moorcock could possibly guest. > > I don't imagine that's very likely, as MM seems to pretty much consider > Brock a thief/cheapskate and doesn't _want_ to work with him. I think MM > would be much more likely to make appearances in company with Nik, etc. > rather than Brock. When Jill and I interviewed him he more or less said that Brock was Brock and that's maybe how he'd have to be to keep a band going for so long and that if there were a great reunion party he'd be happy to be there along with all the others. However, Nik is a friend of his and I suspect that if Brock got shirty about Nik coming along then Mike might refuse to attend. Personally I wish that for the *fans* who the Hawkcon is supposed to be about they'd all just have a ceasefire for a weekend. We're all grownups for crying out loud and if the Serbs and Croats can do it then I'm bloody sure a collection of mucisians can. > Allan. FoFP From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Sep 15 12:45:06 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:45:06 -0400 Subject: Anothers Name In-Reply-To: <9509151450.AA23527@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Sep 15, 95 10:50:46 am Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > Consequently, on his return to earth, he had to make do > with an android replica of his girlfriend which (who?) had evidently > been misprogrammed to moan another's (or her mother's :) name at > the point of climax. > > I ask you, is that the spirit of the age? No, not quite. The lyrics seem to indicate that the android replica was taken along with him on the flight, in lieu of the real thing. Or am I confused? I think the moaning another's name was just bad luck, adding insult to injury. I think it was just a glitch, not misprogramming. ("Playing up again" implies it usually works.) Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, "Medieval Sienese Acid Blues", _Inner Marshland_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Sep 15 17:46:51 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:46:51 BST Subject: Recycled Hawksongs In-Reply-To: Keith A Henderson's message of Fri, 15 Sep 1995 11:35:33 -0400 Message-ID: > Nah....can't be. I seem to remember that Dave Brock didn't even write the > music to 'Out of the Shadows', but that it was written by an American Hawkfan I think the fan wrote the words. Dave. From JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM Fri Sep 15 12:54:51 1995 From: JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM (JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:54:51 -0400 Subject: CD Discography?? Message-ID: Does anyone out there have the necessary information handy, and the desire, to post a chronological listing for all of the cd's that have been released thus far, including cd singles? The reason I'm looking for this info is to take my 70 or so cd's and put them into order relative to the musical development of the band, ie from the beginning until now. Only Hawkwind and Hawklords releases apply, as I'll keep the solo releases separate. The reason this request is difficult for me to do is cuz the dates on the cd's don't always match the year it was recorded or released on vinyl, and of course I want to include all those pesky compilation cd's. I have several reference listings, including the book from "WotEoT", but they all list releases alphabetically. Funny thing is, I've kept them in alphabetical order until I got inspired to make the change after reading the recent posts here about "...what era of Hawkwind do you listen to".... I hope somebody has pity on me and comes through!!! THANKS! Jeff jeffriedle at aol.com From gary at Z-CODE.COM Fri Sep 15 12:50:58 1995 From: gary at Z-CODE.COM (Gary Wingert) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:50:58 -0700 Subject: erk! unsub In-Reply-To: Andrew Wilson "erk! unsub" (Sep 15, 17:20) Message-ID: On 15.Sep, sop04af wrote re: "erk! unsub" sop04afw> okay having tried bocl-request at listserv.spc.edu sop04afw> boc-request@ sop04afw> BOCL-request@ sop04afw> BOC-request@ sop04afw> with no luck, could one of the list-wizards please remove me? Send mail to LISTSERV at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU. To temporarily suspend mail, enter this as the first line in the body of your msg: SET BOC-L NOMAIL To get a list of available options, enter this as the first line in the body of your msg: QUERY BOC-L To reach Ben: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU You might be able to permanently unsub by sending mail to BOC-L-REQUEST at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU, with "unsubscribe" as the first line in the body. gary From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Fri Sep 15 13:13:08 1995 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:13:08 -0400 Subject: HW EP question Message-ID: Something I don't quite understand on the Hwakwind (forthcoming) EP, >From Jills posting (ta Jill), it seemed that all the tracks on the EP will also be on the LP (except Alien will be shortened on the EP), which kind of begs the questions whats the point of the EP ? Unless some of the versions are going to be live maybe. Anybody know ? or do we just wait until the happy day when they actually appear. Curious, Steve L. From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Sep 15 13:18:18 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:18:18 -0400 Subject: HW near Cambridge, UK? Message-ID: Well, does anyone know how close HW is coming to Cambridge, England following October 1? I've just gotten my final college acceptance to U. Camrbridge (cutting it close here) and will be moving there in 2 weeks. So I oughta make it in time for the fall tour, right? (excuse me: *roight*?) ;) Carl From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Sep 15 13:19:17 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:19:17 -0400 Subject: Anothers Name In-Reply-To: <9509151720.aa11153@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "M Holmes" at Sep 15, 95 05:20:04 pm Message-ID: > > > As I understood it, he left his real girlfriend on > > > earth to fly a space mission. Due to the relativistic time dilation > > > effect which he incurred, she would have been old when he returned > > > to earth while he would still be the same age. > > > > I don't understand this. Surely, all the girl had to do was wait > > until she was old enough to sign her own medical consent forms to be > > frozen? > > Yeah, I'd always thought that was the bug in the idea. Yeah, but you know how it is ... she probably found a new boyfriend as soon as the guy left .... Cheers, Carl From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 15 18:20:32 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:20:32 BST Subject: Anothers Name In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:45:06 -0400 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > Martyn White writes: > > > Consequently, on his return to earth, he had to make do > > with an android replica of his girlfriend which (who?) had evidently > > been misprogrammed to moan another's (or her mother's :) name at > > the point of climax. > > > > I ask you, is that the spirit of the age? > > No, not quite. The lyrics seem to indicate that the android replica > was taken along with him on the flight, in lieu of the real thing. > Or am I confused? No, that's how I read it and the original poem is called "The Starfarer's Lament" > I think the moaning another's name was just bad luck, adding insult to > injury. I think it was just a glitch, not misprogramming. ("Playing > up again" implies it usually works.) Yep. I agree that it's one of Bob's most clever lyrics. > Paul. FoFP From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Fri Sep 15 13:23:36 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:23:36 -0500 Subject: Moorcock and Hawkon In-Reply-To: <9509151723.aa11942@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, M Holmes wrote: > > > in new haven, ct., april 1995,dave brock was asked if any former members > > > would be invited to attend.i don't remember dave's response > > > well enough to quote him,but he basically said no,and hinted that > > > m. moorcock could possibly guest. > > > > I don't imagine that's very likely, as MM seems to pretty much consider > > Brock a thief/cheapskate and doesn't _want_ to work with him. I think MM > > would be much more likely to make appearances in company with Nik, etc. > > rather than Brock. > > When Jill and I interviewed him he more or less said that Brock was > Brock and that's maybe how he'd have to be to keep a band going for so > long and that if there were a great reunion party he'd be happy to be > there along with all the others. That's good to hear: though it does seem to shut down the possibility of MM writing any new lyrics for HW in the future :-( > Personally I wish that for the *fans* who the Hawkcon is supposed to be > about they'd all just have a ceasefire for a weekend. Are there riots at HW reunion gigs, then, the Niksters vs. the Brockians, or what? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 15 18:25:35 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:25:35 BST Subject: HW near Cambridge, UK? In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:18:18 -0400 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > Well, does anyone know how close HW is coming to Cambridge, England > following October 1? I've just gotten my final college acceptance to U. > Camrbridge (cutting it close here) and will be moving there in 2 weeks. So > I oughta make it in time for the fall tour, right? (excuse me: *roight*?) The tour starts on the 12th and London and Wolverhampton should be possible from Cambridge. Tim's from those parts isn't he? He might be driving to the gig. > Carl FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 15 18:26:47 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:26:47 BST Subject: Anothers Name In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:19:17 -0400 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > > As I understood it, he left his real girlfriend on > > > > earth to fly a space mission. Due to the relativistic time dilation > > > > effect which he incurred, she would have been old when he returned > > > > to earth while he would still be the same age. > > > > > > I don't understand this. Surely, all the girl had to do was wait > > > until she was old enough to sign her own medical consent forms to be > > > frozen? > > > > Yeah, I'd always thought that was the bug in the idea. > > Yeah, but you know how it is ... she probably found a new boyfriend > as soon as the guy left .... If it'd been me, she'd have found a new boyfriend and the android replica would have run away with the ship's AI. > Carl FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 15 18:28:17 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:28:17 BST Subject: Moorcock and Hawkon In-Reply-To: Allan T Grohe Jr's message of Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:23:36 -0500 Message-ID: Allan T Grohe Jr writes: > On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, M Holmes wrote: > > > > > in new haven, ct., april 1995,dave brock was asked if any former members > > > > would be invited to attend.i don't remember dave's response > > > > well enough to quote him,but he basically said no,and hinted that > > > > m. moorcock could possibly guest. > > > > > > I don't imagine that's very likely, as MM seems to pretty much consider > > > Brock a thief/cheapskate and doesn't _want_ to work with him. I think MM > > > would be much more likely to make appearances in company with Nik, etc. > > > rather than Brock. > > > > When Jill and I interviewed him he more or less said that Brock was > > Brock and that's maybe how he'd have to be to keep a band going for so > > long and that if there were a great reunion party he'd be happy to be > > there along with all the others. > > That's good to hear: though it does seem to shut down the possibility of > MM writing any new lyrics for HW in the future :-( > > > Personally I wish that for the *fans* who the Hawkcon is supposed to be > > about they'd all just have a ceasefire for a weekend. > > Are there riots at HW reunion gigs, then, the Niksters vs. the Brockians, > or what? I heard that Brock left the last one in high dudgeon. I wasn't there though (I didn't hear about it!) so I dunno if it's true or what it was about. > Allan. FoFP From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Sep 15 13:29:41 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:29:41 -0400 Subject: Anothers Name Message-ID: >> > As I understood it, he left his real girlfriend on >> > earth to fly a space mission. Due to the relativistic time dilation >> > effect which he incurred, she would have been old when he returned >> > to earth while he would still be the same age. >> >> I don't understand this. Surely, all the girl had to do was wait >> until she was old enough to sign her own medical consent forms to be >> frozen? > >Yeah, I'd always thought that was the bug in the idea. >FoFP Well, if she was 16 years old at the time of lift off, she would have 5 years to wait and maybe her love faded. In any case, it adds new meaning to the concept "having trouble maintaining a long distance relationship" :-) So it could be a plausible scenario IMO Also if _he_ really loved her, he would have gone to see her after touch down even though she would be old and wrinkly. Instead, what does he do? He has an android replica made! In conclusion, it is my thesis that their young relationship was based solely on sex and could not stand the test of tImE yours learnedly Martyn From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Sep 15 18:52:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:52:00 BST-1 Subject: Moorcock and Hawkon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > I don't imagine that's very likely, as MM seems to pretty much consider > Brock a thief/cheapskate and doesn't _want_ to work with him. I think > MM > would be much more likely to make appearances in company with Nik, etc. > rather than Brock. > At a Moorcock book-signing a while back (I think it was _Fortress of the Pearl_, which would make it '89), someone ahead of me in the line asked if he had any plans to work with Hawkwind again, and he rather tersely replied, "not unless they reinstate Nik Turner", or words to that effect. I *didn't* ask him about Hawkwind, after that :) - Andy From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Sep 15 13:45:36 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:45:36 -0400 Subject: Spirit of the Age Message-ID: With the current thread on this song, I went back and reread the lyrics and it seems to me: a) it is written by the starfarer while he is still in space. i.e. he says his girlfriend is 60 now and long gone by the time he returns to earth. Hence the android must be on board. b) its some of the finest damn lyrics I've ever read. Inspired Martyn Even this doggerel that pours from my pen Has just been written by another twenty telepathic men From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Sep 15 14:05:50 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:05:50 -0400 Subject: HW near Cambridge, UK? In-Reply-To: <199509151718.NAA13773@wjh.harvard.edu> from "Carl E. Anderson" at Sep 15, 95 01:18:18 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > Well, does anyone know how close HW is coming to Cambridge, England > following October 1? I've just gotten my final college acceptance to U. > Camrbridge (cutting it close here) and will be moving there in 2 weeks. So > I oughta make it in time for the fall tour, right? (excuse me: *roight*?) You need to start practising, Carl. That's "autumn tour", not "fall tour." ;-) Btw, if ever you come across that Pinkwind CD you got for me, whilst you are packing up, send it my way, with a note as to how much I owe you... Cheers, Paul. PS: Congratulations on being accepted. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Sep 15 14:28:29 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:28:29 -0400 Subject: Pinkwind In-Reply-To: <9509151805.AA03675@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> from "Paul Mather" at Sep 15, 95 02:05:50 pm Message-ID: Paul, that strange guy, sez.... > CHOMP! > > Btw, if ever you come across that Pinkwind CD you got for me, whilst > you are packing up, send it my way, with a note as to how much I owe > you... > Saw the Pinkwind CD at Tower Records in Tysons' Corner VA about a month ago. It was around $34.00, if memory servers. As it is, I will be driving by that very store this evening; however, by the time the plane lands, it will be long closed ( :-( for me, :-) for my wife and wallet!). Sounds like you need to make a road trip up to the DC area, Mr. Paul... > Cheers, > > Paul. > > PS: Congratulations on being accepted. > > e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. > Yeah, congrats from me, too! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Sep 15 14:42:28 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:42:28 -0400 Subject: Old info? Message-ID: This all may be old news, but I just saw it on alt.music.progressive and thought someone might be interested... So I don't step on his toes, here is the _whole thing_. Craig ---- >From dave at zen.win-uk.net Fri Sep 15 14:38:13 EDT 1995 Article: 63540 of alt.music.progressive Path: sword.eng.pyramid.com!gossip.pyramid.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: dave at zen.win-uk.net (Dave Barratt) Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive Subject: Hawkwind Feedback/uk + European tour dates Date: 13 Sep 1995 15:13:53 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 159 Sender: nobody at cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <514 at zen.win-uk.net> Reply-To: Dave Barratt NNTP-Posting-Host: news.cs.utexas.edu The following is a copy of the current issue of Hawkwind Feedback - a Hawkwind and things Hawkish, newsletter put out by Brian Tawn. Copies can be obtained from Brian by sending him an SAE at the address below. Newsletters go out when there is enough info to put together a newsletter, i.e. tour dates, album releases etc. Brian also puts out an occasional Hawk fanzine, HawkFrendz (HF), which is a good read and very reasonably priced, details below. -------------------------- Hawkwind Feedback Brian Tawn Sept. 1995 Hawkwind Feedback 27 Burdett Road Wisbech, Cambs. PE13 2PR, U.K. Much Greetings! I'm delighted to be bringing you a clutch of Hawkwind tour dates, though you might be looking at a bit of travelling since all but the London gig are to the West of the country. Having said that, I think the biggest cities tend to be in the West, so most people will be happy. I should point out that this list is an updated one and doesn't match the fliers which were recently distributed, so take note....there have been changes! Oct.12...Glasgow - Barrowlands 13...Lancaster - Sugar House 15...Liverpool - Royal Court 16...Manchester - Academy 18...Cardiff - St David's Hall 19...Bristol - Colston Hall 20...Wolverhampton 23...Portsmouth - Guild Hall 26...Bochum - Zeche 27...Hamburg - Markthalle 28...Berlin - Marquee 29...Erlangen - E Werk 31...Paris - Arapho Nov. 1...Brussels - La Lune 2... Amsterdam - Melkweg I expect great things of these shows. I didn't get to the Custom Show gig, but I received many favourable reports. Jerry (guitar) is no longer with the band, but Ron Tree (vocals and antics) most certainly is and approaches his work with Hawkwind with great enthusiasm. Of course, there is new recorded material to go with the tour...slightly ahead of it in fact. September 18th is the release date of the new Hawkwind EP called Area S.4. It's on CD and vinyl and the tracks are Alien I Am (shorter version than on the album), Death Trap, Wastelands and Are You Losing Your Mind. The vinyl issue has the bonus track, Sputnik Stan. Then on September 25th, we get the new album, Alien 4. It's on vinyl and CD and the CD will be available in both digipack and standard case. The tracks are, Abducted, Alien I Am, Reject Your Human Touch, Blue Skin, Beam Me Up, Vega, Xenomorth, Journey, Sputnik Stan, Kapal, Festivals, Death Trap, Wastelands, Are You Losing Your Mind. The vinyl issue has the bonus track, Space Sex. Anne and I visited Hawkwind during the summer (more of that in Hawkfan) and spent a while in the studio with them while it was being mixed. Consequently, I've heard most of the album and I can honestly say that it's very tasty. Okay, yes, I know...I see it with rose-tinted glasses and hear it with velvet-lined ears and my judgement must be clouded...but really, it IS v-e-r-y tasty! Alien I Am is a cracker, Vega is absolutely beautiful, Sputnik Stan is so much better than it was in 1993 that I'm glad it was held back and even the endless playing of Xenomorph during the mixing hasn't made me hate it. Oh yes, if you're reading this , then you're someone who will enjoy this wonderful album. It's been a good year for Hawkwind fans, so far as recorded music is concerned. Each news letter has brought a clutch of releases and this one is no exception. The most recent offering (wafting out of the speakers as I type this) is Yassasim by Simon House. Music every bit as melodic as you would expect of such an outstanding musician... and oh the joy of hearing that exciting violin weaving through the keyboards. Go for it! Dave Brock's Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams is another beauty...and again, Yes, I know you'd expect me to say that, but it really is great stuff. It makes a good companion CD to The White Zone...indeed, a couple of the tracks are on both CD's. My own reservation was the reworking of Space Is Deep, but I have to admit that I got a lot of letters from people who were pleasantly surprised to find it there, so I bow to the majority. Certainly, it's the best solo album Dave has done so far. It's nice too to see the cover art used at last. That artwork has been in the Hawkwind camp since the mid seventies and was originally intended to be a poster (and what a classic it would have been). As it happened, the poster was never done and the artwork was reproduced in miniature in the 1977 tour programme. It can be seen, with the lettering, on the cover of the CD Quark Strangeness And Charm as released by the mighty Griffin label. This is a box set containing the Quark CD and the long out of print book, Queens Of Deliria by Michael Butterworth. There is a companion to this set in the form of a box set comprising the Astounding Sounds CD with the Time Of The Hawklords book. I haven't seen a copy yet, but I believe it is now available. And there is video! Oh yes indeed! Most of you no doubt have the Castle video of the Bedrock show, an edited version of which later appeared in the Cue The Music series, but I have had letters from people who haven't got it and wish they could get it. Well, now you can...and since it is on the 4 Front budget label, it won't cost you much. I know the band aren't too keen on this video because the high lighting levels don't allow the band's light show to show through. However, the music reveals Hawkwind at their best and the bright lights allow you to see the band clearly, something which doesn't often happen, so it's quite unique. Nik's 1994 USA tour is also now available on video in the UK (from Visionary), or at least, an hour of it is...for the full set, you still need the Cleopatra double CD. The line up is Nik, Del Dettmar, Alan Powell, Helios Creed, Genesis P. Orridge and members of Pressurehead and the bulk of the songs are Hawkwind tracks. The Anubian Lights are basically Nik Turner, Del Dettmar, Simon House and Pressurehead folk and they've released an excellent cd called The Eternal Sky on the American Hypnotic label (the ambient label for Cleopatra). Versatile folk, Pressurehead. Also from Hypnotic is Space Does Not Care by Zero Gravity, which is basically Pressurehead's Len Del Rio, with some assistance from Tommy Grenas and various sampled guests which include Nik Turner. Getting further away from Hawkwind, but still of interest to us is another Cleopatra cd. This one is called Upon The Solar Winds, by Melting Euphoria and is (it says) 'a hybrid of Hawkwind, The Orb & Ozric Tentacles'. Certainly much of it is reminiscent of the first Hawkwind album and the jams of In Search Of Space, very much a case of the rhythms and electronics of early Hawkwind with not much sign of Dave's guitar and no sign of Nik. I've a few other interesting cd's here, such as A Saucerful Of Pink, a double cd tribute to Pink Floyd which includes tracks by Nik Turner and Simon House, but I'll keep them for the next Hawkfan, which is, I think, a more suitable place. I will just mention though that Darxtar have issued a compilation cassette which includes some unreleased tracks. Write to SBM Sweden, VoxJovagen 55, 57010 Kossberga, Sweden. Foremost in our minds though, must be Alien 4. Some thing to really look forward to with eager anticipation. This is the one we're waiting for! Due to the nature of my job, I've had another summer of all work and little play, so not much progress on HF24 or the Mike Moorcock music book, though I should be back on the case in a week or two. However, Adrian Parr tells me that Hawk Eye 4 will be ready in mid September, or thereabouts and you'll find it well worth a read. It's UKP2.50 in the UK, UKP3.00 (or 5 US dollars to Europe) and UKP3.50 (or 6 US dollars outside Europe). All the best, Brian --------------------- -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Sep 15 14:48:10 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:48:10 -0400 Subject: Pinkwind In-Reply-To: <9509151828.AA04505@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> from "Craig Shipley" at Sep 15, 95 02:28:29 pm Message-ID: Craig Shipley writes: > Saw the Pinkwind CD at Tower Records in Tysons' Corner VA about a month > ago. It was around $34.00, if memory servers. As it is, I will be driving > by that very store this evening; however, by the time the plane lands, it > will be long closed ( :-( for me, :-) for my wife and wallet!). Well, they were selling the Pinkwind CD at the gigs on the recent Nikwind tour for <$15, which is why I asked Carl to pick one up for me. It's a considerable saving on the "import" price! If only he can find it in the relocation morass... :-) (We can only hope.) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Anubian Lights, _The Eternal Sky_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM Fri Sep 15 16:01:00 1995 From: thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM (Matt Thompson) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:01:00 E Subject: BOC: Guitar Magazine Article Message-ID: >> Does anyone remember Buck's Guitar Secrets column for Guitar for the > >Practicing Musician in the mid 80s? >Yeah, I only have one of those articles, something about hand putty for >warming up your fingers. > >Do you have any old articles you can share with the list? > Manuel I should be able to dig them up - I think I have most of them. The same magazine did a feature article on Buck and transcribed Burnin' For You in '84. In '86 they transcribed DFTR and had Buck "In the Listening Room" where he reviewed a handful of songs by other artists. Should I post these to the list or should interested people contact me directly? The Guitar Secrets columns may not be that interesting to non-guitarists. I also have longer BOC articles from Creem magazine ('74, '76, '81, '82, '88), Guitar Player ('75 I think), Blast ('76), Metal Scene (by DF) and others. Perhaps photocopies for anyone interested would be the best way to share. Matt Thompson thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Fri Sep 15 15:09:22 1995 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:09:22 -0400 Subject: Spirit of the Age Message-ID: Martyn sez: > > With the current thread on this song, I went back and > reread the lyrics and it seems to me: > > a) it is written by the starfarer while he is still in space. > i.e. he says his girlfriend is 60 now and long gone by the time > he returns to earth. Hence the android must be on board. > > b) its some of the finest damn lyrics I've ever read. Inspired well with all the talk about this I thought it was worth telling those who don't know that there is a spoken word version of this (aka The Starfarers Despatch) on an early HW bootleg - Birmingham Kinetic Playground 12/12/71 I believe. This gave me quite a shock when I realised what Bob was reciting, the sound itsn't too bad as these things go either, well worth hunting down. CHeers, Steve L. From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Sep 15 17:35:00 1995 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 14:35:00 PDT Subject: BOC set changes Message-ID: "jd> Burnin' For You jd> Godzilla jd> Don't Fear The Reaper >Personally, I wish they'd drop these three from the set entirely. They're >good songs but you always *know* they'll play 'em. Too predictable." Gee Rudy I tend to agree with you on Godzilla. The radio killed this song for me. Yeah it rocks but I would put it to bed. Burnin For You is another song I would sub on the set list. Now Don't Fear the Reaper is different. I would keep this song but I would do it acoustically, maybe even Buck alone on the stage. >(for some reason some of you get the real sender's name, but all I get is >"owner-boc-l") Can't recall if you posted info for the directory we are building. If not please provide me the info in the format below. > There is nothing (IMO) so compelling in these songs that even a >hard core fan wouldn't mind if they did something else instead. True. I don't think many of the hardcore BOC fans ever indicated any of these three as a personal favorite. However one reason I think the band keeps them in the setlist is the very same thing that turns you off about them, Radio! These songs are played the most often, not that BOC gets much airplay anyway. For casual fans who are just dropping by not necesarrily to see the band , it is a way for them to recognize the band. You know "Oh so thats who made that song." People on this list can probably give their opinion on the ultimate BOC set list but really the band is the one that controls it and they obviously see some value in maintaining the songs. > Sorry BOC people, I had to get this off my chest. Maybe this is the >1st step in my salvation. No apologies are really necesarry for speaking your mind dude. AB abrevard at shl.com Directory Format FORMAT - > Name: >Age: > Handle: > E-Mail Address: > Primary Band: (Either BOC or HW, which drew you to the list) > First Time Seen Live: > Last time Seen Live: > Favorite Album: > Last Album Purchased: > Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes/No > Comments (please be brief): > From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Sep 15 16:08:30 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:08:30 -0400 Subject: HW near Cambridge, UK? In-Reply-To: <9509151805.AA03675@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> from "Paul Mather" at Sep 15, 95 02:05:50 pm Message-ID: > Btw, if ever you come across that Pinkwind CD you got for me, whilst > you are packing up, send it my way, with a note as to how much I owe > you... I have it here before me! (And a lot less than 34 bucks!) Resend me your address ... Autumnally, Carl From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Sep 15 17:03:37 1995 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:03:37 -0500 Subject: hw: Wots been happening??? In-Reply-To: <9509151505.AA00316@etlxd20c> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Rob S wrote: > I'm off to see the Ozrics, Eat Static and System 7 at Brixton next > week in a 16 hour all-nighter. 28 hours of psychedelic music in two > gigs within the space of a month. My brain is gonna implode!!! You *do* realize that Americans hate you now. :) The closest thang we have to an all-nighter is Lollipoplosers (Lollapalooza), and you can guess my opinion of that. Damon From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Sep 15 18:54:00 1995 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:54:00 PDT Subject: Is any Body Out There? Message-ID: Where the hell are all the BOC fans lately? Oh I get it, there all pitching tents to be first in line at the music store waiting for WOTT. Ok, ok, that works. Man its gotten quiet over the last few weeks. Not threatening to start the old are BOC through? routine but someone, anyone say something or anything. How about the child pornography ring on AOL (Eyes you sure you want to affiliate with AOL?); can someone talk about the new bassist and proposed new drummer? What are the Surgeons up to? Come on the silence is killing me. A(smiling)B From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Sep 15 17:12:02 1995 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 16:12:02 -0500 Subject: Recycled Hawksongs In-Reply-To: <14559.9509151646@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Dave Berry wrote: > > Nah....can't be. I seem to remember that Dave Brock didn't even write the > > music to 'Out of the Shadows', but that it was written by an American Hawkfan > I think the fan wrote the words. That would explain why the album lists the song thusly: Out of the Shadows (Brock/Davey/Buckley) Apparently this Buckley d00d is the culprit. Damon Capehart | "DuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhnuhDUT, Dut!" dcapehar at utdallas.edu | Hawkwind -- "Brainstorm" From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Sep 15 17:21:23 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:21:23 -0400 Subject: Anothers Name Message-ID: > >David Hardman writes: > >> > As I understood it, he left his real girlfriend on >> > earth to fly a space mission. Due to the relativistic time dilation >> > effect which he incurred, she would have been old when he returned >> > to earth while he would still be the same age. >> >> I don't understand this. Surely, all the girl had to do was wait >> until she was old enough to sign her own medical consent forms to be >> frozen? > >Yeah, I'd always thought that was the bug in the idea. > >> Dave Hardman > >FoFP > > I also thought this, but then I figured by the time she was of age, she had found someone else, him being gone so long. Duane -- " You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." Bob Dylan From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Sep 15 17:25:51 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:25:51 -0400 Subject: Is any Body Out There? Message-ID: Hey AB. Do you have one of your listserv filters turned on? There has been a fair bit of traffic lately, much of it related to Hawkwind. Heres a trivia question to get things going: Both HW and BOC refer to "Veterans of Psychic Wars". Who first invented this phrase and where? Yours questioningly Martyn From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Sep 15 17:31:38 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:31:38 -0400 Subject: Is any Body Out There? In-Reply-To: <305A088C@houmg001.shl.com> from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Sep 15, 95 03:54:00 pm Message-ID: > Where the hell are all the BOC fans lately? Oh no! The dreaded question. > What are the Surgeons up to? Come on the silence is > killing me. Last I remember, Deb was posting she might go and see Monster Magnet at some show in NYC. Perhaps the volume blew her away ... nah, I think she could withstand far greater sonic impact. Perhaps Dave Wyndorf plunged off the stage in a drug crazed haze and crushed her? More likely one of the amplifiers, since Dave probablyu doesn't weigh enough to crush anyone .... Carl From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Sep 15 17:40:12 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:40:12 -0400 Subject: Is any Body Out There? In-Reply-To: <9509152125.AA26263@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Sep 15, 95 05:25:51 pm Message-ID: > Both HW and BOC refer to "Veterans of Psychic Wars". Who > first invented this phrase and where? Er, well, Moorcock invented it, but I wouldn't know where ... London? Cheers, Carl From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Sep 15 17:49:39 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:49:39 -0400 Subject: Is any Body Out There? Message-ID: >` Er, well, Moorcock invented it, but I wouldn't know where ... >London? OK wise guy :-). No, I was interested if it had appeared in any of his books or poems prior to Woteot by HW or Votpw by BOC >Cheers, >Carl cheers M From Mitch.Goldman at TURNER.COM Fri Sep 15 16:49:22 1995 From: Mitch.Goldman at TURNER.COM (Mitch Goldman) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:49:22 -0500 Subject: HW lp...release date in the States???? Message-ID: This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. Parts of the message will appear as text. To process the rest, you will have to use a Mime compatible mail reader. Contact your vendor for details. --IMA.Boundary.811124764 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Does anyone know if (or when) the Alien 4 lp will be available in the US? Does Griffin plan on releasing it here, or should we shell out the big bucks for the import? thanks for any info folks... Mitch mitch.goldman at turner.com --IMA.Boundary.811124764-- From bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM Fri Sep 15 23:24:47 1995 From: bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 19:24:47 -0800 Subject: BOC set changes Message-ID: On Wed 13-Sep-1995 11:47a, Rudich, Robert A wrote: RA> I'm a list newbie and I joined because of my Hawkwind inclinations, but RA> somebody plucked my BOC string. (I still haven't figured out how these 2 RA> bands came to be combined on this list.) I have to admit only a passing RA> interest in BOC. The reason was touched on by the person who wrote : RA> "jd> Burnin' For You RA> jd> Godzilla RA> jd> Don't Fear The Reaper RA> Personally, I wish they'd drop these three from the set entirely. They're RA> good RA> songs but you always *know* they'll play 'em. Too predictable." RA> (for some reason some of you get the real sender's name, but all I get is RA> "owner-boc-l") That was me :) I still enjoy the shows but am not thrilled when they break out the 'big three'. In fact thats usually when I sit down for a rest... AB's idea of a solo Buck, accoustic Reaper would be cool. I just wish the band would go back to jamming the songs and not limit themselves to a rigid set but instead play what they felt like and have some fun. Sheesh, you can't tell me that they aren't sick of those songs themselves. I wonder why they do that? Most of the folks at the shows are old fans anyway and I'm sure would enjoy a breath of fresh air and not miss the 'three' at all. I still remember shows from the 70's where they'd jam on a song for what seemed like hours... They were having a blast and it showed. Now they appear to be just "Going Through The Motions", another day at the office. I realize that it must be difficult to be that intense after all these years but I wish they'd relax and maybe take a few chances. The accoustic "In Thee" is a step in the right direction though.... Man, they ought to hire me as their manager :> ||\ * Ask me for my PGP Key! "San Diego's ||< * Brokedown Palace! 619-596-1974/7419 Original |_||/ * jbrooks at bpalace.com Grateful BBS" From bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM Fri Sep 15 23:38:07 1995 From: bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 19:38:07 -0800 Subject: Is any Body Out There? Message-ID: On Fri 15-Sep-1995 3:54p, BREVARD Adrian R. wrote: BR> Where the hell are all the BOC fans lately? Oh I get it, there all BR> pitching BR> tents to be first in line at the music store waiting for WOTT. Ok, ok, BR> that BR> works. Man its gotten quiet over the last few weeks. Not threatening to BR> start the old are BOC through? routine but someone, anyone say something BR> or BR> anything. How about the child pornography ring on AOL (Eyes you sure you BR> want to affiliate with AOL?); can someone talk about the new bassist and BR> proposed new drummer? What are the Surgeons up to? Come on the silence BR> is BR> killing me. I've been really busy with work, school & family these last few weeks but I'm still out here... I've been waiting for some good BOC posts to spring off from.. I'm better at that than at originating threads.. Lets see.. anybody seen a tour date listing? I still need to get off my dead ass and find out if there's any San Diego dates.. They were just up in L.A. and I couldn't make it up there and now I fear that I may have missed them if they did an SD date. I have a suggestion/request: Could someone who has easy access to current tour dates please post them here from time to time? Suggestion for the band: Allow taping at your shows!!! Many big bands are doing it and we love 'em for it. Phish, Blues Traveler, Black Crowes, Grateful Dead, I even heard that Metallica is or was allowing tapers into their shows. I suppose some see it as a loss of revenue but 90% of tapers respect the 'trade' only rule and make 0 profit from it. It also spreads the music around so that more people hear it..., and hopefully want to hear more, eh? If any of you boc-l'ers have any contact with the band tell 'em! ||\ * Ask me for my PGP Key! "San Diego's ||< * Brokedown Palace! 619-596-1974/7419 Original |_||/ * jbrooks at bpalace.com Grateful BBS" From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Sep 16 02:49:58 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 02:49:58 -0400 Subject: Recycled Hawksongs Message-ID: Duane - Wait a sec... You said there's something called "Warriors On The Edge Of Time" on Intake and Outake. I have I&O (or is it Outtake and Intake?) and there's no such song on it... Does one of the releases have some extra songs? Chuck From bthacker at ALCOR.UNM.EDU Sat Sep 16 03:55:25 1995 From: bthacker at ALCOR.UNM.EDU (Brian R. Thacker) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 01:55:25 -0600 Subject: BOC in Albuquerque In-Reply-To: <9509160324.0c95@bpalace.com> Message-ID: I'm new to the list but just wanted to state that BOC is playing in Rio Rancho (a suburb of Alb.) on Sat., Oct.14. Tickets available through Ticketmaster ($20). I've been a BOC fan for many years, and this will be the first chance I've had to see them live. If anybody in the area would like to go let me know. I'd like to meet some fellow BOC buffs. Brian R. Thacker _________/ Never look at the trombones, bthacker at mail.unm.edu (_|_______\__________ it only encourages them. Albuquerque, NM >_|_|______) - Richard Strauss From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Sat Sep 16 09:21:08 1995 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 09:21:08 BST Subject: Anothers Name Message-ID: Martyn writes :- Also if _he_ really loved her, he would have gone to see her after touch down even though she would be old and wrinkly. Instead, what does he do? He has an android replica made! If I remember right, the lyrics go '..lets see, you'd be about 60 now, & long dead by the time I return to Earth....' Neil. From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sat Sep 16 09:44:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:44:00 -0500 Subject: assassins of silence Message-ID: Assassins of Silence- Hundred -Watt Violence (Cerus Records 1995) Limited Edition 300 Temple of Bon Matin- Earth Calling - Born to Go 6:45 Monshock- Psychedelic Warlords 8:55 F/i- Robot 8:05 New Bomb Turks- Ejection 3:22 Fuzzface- Urban Guerilla 3:20 The Petals- Hurry on Sundown 3:15 Puff Tube- Quark Strangeness and Charm 3:35 Tibetan Bowlers- Hassan I Sabha 3:30 Voco Kesh- We took the Wrong Step Years Ago 6:50 Catharsis- The Demented Man 7:05 ST37- The Watcher 5:40 Green Machine- Lord of Light 5:50 Lithium X-mas- Magnu 4:55 Liquior Ball- You shouldn't do That 6:45 Slotnick- Death Trap 3:30 Gorilla- Flying Doctor 4:15 The Humpers- Motorhead 2:25 Space Dust- Orgone Accumulator 3:55 Sabalon Glitz- Forge of Vulcain 2:15 Brainbombs- Time we left this world today 3:05 The Mike Gunn- Sonic Attack 4:20 The Mike Gunn- Masters of the Universe 6:10 Fly Ashtray- Spirit of the Age 4:25 Cardinal Sin- Silver Machine 3:50 Well, I just wanted to tell everyoneon the net who has not ordered one of these to get one!! This is a very cool collection that all HW collectors should have. It is a fold out (like SR, but all black and white) with all the lyrics to these songs printed on the inside. It also comes with a booklet with mini- discographies of all that bands that appear on the double lp. For some, the versions of these songs might be a bit too twisted from the originals, but give it a whirl!! Scott From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Sat Sep 16 10:05:48 1995 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 07:05:48 -0700 Subject: Recycled Hawksongs In-Reply-To: <01HVBTV6JZ689EFQFC@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Sep 16, 95 02:49:58 am Message-ID: Chuck, > You said there's something called "Warriors On The Edge Of > Time" on Intake and Outake. I have I&O (or is it Outtake and > Intake?) and there's no such song on it... Does one of the > releases have some extra songs? I have the Griffin CD of _Out & Intake_ and the last song on it is _Warrior on the Edge of Time_. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 16 10:57:09 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:57:09 -0400 Subject: assassins of silence Message-ID: scott sez: Well, I just wanted to tell everyoneon the net who has not ordered one of these to get one!!<<<<<<< i echo and endorse scott's sentiments! rj From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 16 10:57:09 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:57:09 -0400 Subject: Anothers Name Message-ID: If I remember right, the lyrics go '..lets see, you'd be about 60 now, & long dead by the time I return to Earth....' Neil. i believe neil is correct. rj From ROBODUDE at MSN.COM Sat Sep 16 11:40:08 1995 From: ROBODUDE at MSN.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:40:08 UT Subject: BOC set changes Message-ID: ---------- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List on behalf of Joseph Brooks Sent: Friday, September 15, 1995 11:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: BOC set changes On Wed 13-Sep-1995 11:47a, Rudich, Robert A wrote: RA> "jd> Burnin' For You RA> jd> Godzilla RA> jd> Don't Fear The Reaper RA> Personally, I wish they'd drop these three from the set entirely. They're RA> good RA> songs but you always *know* they'll play 'em. Too predictable." That was me :) I still enjoy the shows but am not thrilled when they break out the 'big three'. In fact thats usually when I sit down for a rest... AB's idea of a solo Buck, accoustic Reaper would be cool. The reason they play the "Big 3" is because some of the people in attendance only really wanna hear the big 3. I think a variation of the Big 3 would be kewl, such as: Reaper performed ala The Red and The Black (Buck's side project) where Buck would play solo up until the guitar break in the song...this would fit in well w/ the "unplugged" In Thee...would love to see She's As Beautiful As A Foot done acoustic as well.... Godzilla - make it sure and sweet like SEE (that way they can fit an additional tune into the set), or bring back a 20 foot Zilla w/ laser beam eyes : P Burnin - play only up until the ending of the 1st chorus and then immediately cut into Still Burnin'... I just wish the band would go back to jamming the songs and not limit themselves to a rigid set but instead play what they felt like and have some fun. they still seem to have some fun...I'd say that 1 out of the 5 shows I've been to this year seems like "they're goin' thru the motions".... I realize that it must be difficult to be that intense after all these years but I wish they'd relax and maybe take a few chances. The accoustic "In Thee" is a step in the right direction though.... Man, they ought to hire me as their manager :> ||\ * Ask me for my PGP Key! "San Diego's ||< * Brokedown Palace! 619-596-1974/7419 Original |_||/ * jbrooks at bpalace.com Grateful BBS" OK manager, : P...how 'bout this for a setlist: Transmaniacon MC (opener) Career of Evil Dominance & Submission The Subhuman Take Me Away ETI I'd Like To See You In Black Harvester of Eyes "unplugged" In Thee Reaper She's As Beautiful As A Foot plug 'em back in.... BlackBlade Lips In The Hills Mistress of the Salmon Salt The Vigil Burnin For You / Still Burnin' Godzilla encore: Golden Age of Leather 7 Screaming Dizbusters I'm On The Lamb But I Ain't No Sheep smokin'! ROBO From TheQuail at CTHULHU.MICROSERVE.COM Sat Sep 16 12:52:21 1995 From: TheQuail at CTHULHU.MICROSERVE.COM (The Great Quail) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 16:52:21 GMT Subject: Anothers Name Message-ID: >Yes, well. Ahem, anyhow, back to the matter in hand. After listening >to that lot, somehow Calvert's line didn't seem so wierd as it might >have been - but "another's name" is much more reasonable under the >circumstances I guess - though I'm mildly curious to know where an >android replica could have been unfaithful if she'd been in space with >him all this time. Or maybe she was a cheap reconstituted model that >was reverting to past memories from buried cybermemories. Well . . . . ok, it's like this: She was too young to be frozen, but he couldn't live without her, so he had an android replica made. Now, back in those days, many folks used "android" and "replica" as a synonym for clone, which, of course, it isn't. But what if there was some cloning and memory transfer involved? She would have her real memories and personality: otherwise she'd be just a sex doll. Aha! But she's been acting up, screaming another's name - the guy she was *really* fucking when poor Mr. Spaceboy assumed she was so faithful. (Makes you wonder if she surrepticiously *asked* her dad not to sign the papers. ) Man, would *that* be a bummer, or what? Personally, I hate when my android replicas watch too much Bladerunner. Usually that dicks with their mind, and I have to scrap the whole batch. (the pun was intentional, for those in the know. . . .) ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail | TheQuail at cthulhu.microserve.com riverrun Discordian Society | AOL: LordArioch c/o Allen Ruch | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: 315 Second Street | http://www.microserve.com/~thequail Enola, PA 17025 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft From delacour at UNM.EDU Sat Sep 16 14:05:48 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:05:48 -0600 Subject: BOC: Guitar Magazine Article In-Reply-To: <3059CCD6@osoft_nt.buckhead.com> Message-ID: Matt; I think that if you have the time you should print out all of those old articles, especially the technical guitar playing stuff. There are a few musicians on this list according to a poll taken a few months ago. Keep us posted. Thank you..... Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Sat Sep 16 14:07:49 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:07:49 -0600 Subject: BOC: Guitar Magazine Article In-Reply-To: <3059CCD6@osoft_nt.buckhead.com> Message-ID: Matt; On second thought, copies by mail is probally a batter way of doing this. Send more details and I'll send you my mailing address, postage money, ect. Thanks again............Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Sat Sep 16 14:09:05 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:09:05 -0600 Subject: HW near Cambridge, UK? In-Reply-To: <199509152008.QAA19405@wjh.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Sat Sep 16 14:17:09 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:17:09 -0600 Subject: BOC set changes In-Reply-To: <3059F61F@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: Adrian; Wow!! I agree with you that Burnin' should be put to rest for awhile. That's usually my "Pee break song". However, Danny Miranda adds new life to Godzilla and I think it should remain in the list. An acoustic version of Reaper? I have a version from the Guitar For The Practicing Musician series CD that is just awesome!! Now that would be beautiful to see and hear live someday!! A NEW OPENER? Which brings me to my next point; the opening number. Wouldn't it be great to hear R U Ready 2 Rock as a set opener from time to time?? Stairway has been used as the opener now since late 1989 or so. Perhaps we should put our own set list and post it on the list for further scrutiny? MY LIST WOULD BE: R U READY 2 ROCK DOMINANCE AND SUBMISSION ETI ( A MUST!!) Help me out here, folks! Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Sat Sep 16 14:26:53 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:26:53 -0600 Subject: Is any Body Out There? In-Reply-To: <305A088C@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: Adrian; Just saw 2 shows on the west coast (see reviews) with the new bassist, Danny Miranda, and let me tell you he is awesome!! He looks like any other Joe in the audience with short curly hair, and a little chubby, but he IS AN AWESOME BASSIST. Now I did not see any shows this summer with Greg SMith, but Danny rocks!! He makes some pretty funny facial ex- perssions when he plays, and he puts his bass all the way to the stage floor, but man I think he should stay with the band as a permanent member(Wish,wish). As far as the new drummer, Chuck informed us that it is some guy (for- got the name) that has worked with Rainbow (what a suprise). Chuck told Jean and I that he loves working with Buck, Eric, & Allen, but he did not talk too favorably of the mgmt. I guess Mr. Blackmore is paying pretty good these days. Perhaps Ritchie Blackmore should thank BOC on the lier notes of the new Rainbow CD. Wouldn't it be cool if both bands toured together? There are BOC fans out there, AB. We just have been pretty busy with work and the bullshit of life. Talk to you later..............Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Sat Sep 16 14:33:21 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:33:21 -0600 Subject: BOC in Albuquerque In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Brian; Welcome to the list!! Jean & I live here in Albq also, and we are pretty hardcore BOC fans. We hope to see you at the show. I have seen them about 15 times, so you will not be disappointed. .......Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Sat Sep 16 15:42:16 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 14:42:16 EST Subject: BOC set changes Message-ID: Manuel said: >MY LIST WOULD BE: >R U READY 2 ROCK >DOMINANCE AND SUBMISSION >ETI ( A MUST!!) >Help me out here, folks! Opener: Lips in the Hills Encore: Nosferatu (sung by Eric) I'd also like to see Tattoo Vampire live (acoustic? :-P ) I like the She's As Beautiful... idea too. How about a 5 guitar Workshop of the Telescopes? The last song of the set should be a cover of Radar Love (I just love that song :-) ) I don't think that helped in the slightest! Oh well... ttfn, Brian >Jean Delacour >University of New Mexico >Parish Library >Alb, NM 87131-1496 >delacour at unm.edu From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Sat Sep 16 18:06:01 1995 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas B. Pearson) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 15:06:01 -0700 Subject: HW CD Discography?? Message-ID: jef ("stretch") friedle at aol.com, who sold me my copy of Travellers Aid Trust many years ago, writes: >Does anyone out there have the necessary information handy, and the desire, >to post a chronological listing for all of the cd's that have been released >thus far, including cd singles? ... [snip] This would seem to be the chronological order of recording dates (not release dates). * indicates a "major" release (i.e. an official album) + indicates a release compiling material from several lineups/recording dates. I've put them in sequence according to the last recorded HAWKWIND track on the release (ignoring solo recordings on the Friends & Relations series, for instance). 70 * Hawkwind 71 * In Search of Space Text Of Festival 72 Greasy Truckers / Glastonbury Fayre * Doremi Fasol Latido BBC Radio One In Concert * Space Ritual Space Ritual 2 + Anthology vol.3 73 Bring Me the Head of Yuri Gagarin 74 * Hall of the Mountain Grill + Psychedelic Warlords (best of) + Masters of the Universe (UA) + Stasis 75 * Warrior on the Edge of Time + Hawkwind Zoo EP 76 * Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 77 * Quark, Strangeness & Charm * PXR5 + Anthology vol.2 Sonic Assassins EP 78 + Friends & Relations vol.2 * Hawklords 25 Years On + Spirit of the Age / Tales from Atomhenge Hawklords Live + Valium Ten/Motorhead EP + Friends & Relations vol.1 79 * Live 79 80 * Levitation 81 * Sonic Attack + Friends & Relations vol.3 82 * Church of Hawkwind * Choose Your Masques + Angels of Death 83 + Zones 84 * Night of the Hawk EP + This is Hawkwind Do Not Panic 85 + Anthology vol.1 + Silver Machine EP * Chronicle of the Black Sword 86 * Live Chronicles 87 + Out and Intake 88 Travellers Aid Trust * Xenon Codex Bristol Custom Bike Show 89 + Palace Springs 90 * Space Bandits California Brainstorm Never Ending Story of the Psychedelic Warlords 92 * Electric Teepee Decide Your Future EP 93 * It Is the Business of the Future To Be Dangerous Spirit of the Age (solstice mixes) EP 94 * The Business Trip Quark, Strangeness & Charm EP 95 * Psychedelic Warlords / White Zone Alien EP * Area S.4 I guess this doesn't include any of the "compilations of compilations" CD's, but those could be fit into the chronology depending on the sources they were culled from - that should be easy enough to figure out by using the codex. Neither does it include bootlegs or the Weird tapes, since I don't own any. And technically, some of these were never CD's individually, and have only shown up on the "comps of comps" referred to above. Still, this is (I hope) pretty close. Any corrections are most welcome. Is this what you're looking for, Jeff? -Doug ceres at sirius.com From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sun Sep 17 02:53:48 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 02:53:48 BST Subject: HW near Cambridge, UK? In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:18:18 -0400 Message-ID: > Well, does anyone know how close HW is coming to Cambridge, England > following October 1? I've just gotten my final college acceptance to U. > Camrbridge (cutting it close here) and will be moving there in 2 weeks. So > I oughta make it in time for the fall tour, right? (excuse me: *roight*?) > hmmm - maybe something closer to "ryte" is more likely these days - though, in truth, if you're heading for Cambridge maybe the elocution lessons are still accurate! Didn't realise you were headed this way. You are certainly welcome to this side of the world and I hope your course goes well. You've been practising punting, croquet and eating cucumber sandwiches too, I trust........ No east coast dates so your best bet will likely be London tho' be cautious in Brixton if you emerge early in the morning before the Tube is running. Best to travel in company with someone who knows the area! jill (pessimist) strobridge obfilm> Apollo 13. Excellent. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From travsboc at CRL.COM Sat Sep 16 21:55:06 1995 From: travsboc at CRL.COM (S. F. Yee) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 18:55:06 -0700 Subject: BOC (Don't Fear) The Lurkers In-Reply-To: <199509150900.FAA25947@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: I just subscribed too late. Can anyone pls forward me any reviews of BOC's SF/Slim's show from 9/6? Thanks. S.F. "JOHN TUVO IS BUCK DHARMA's TWIN BROTHER" From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sun Sep 17 03:03:47 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 03:03:47 BST Subject: assassins of silence In-Reply-To: 617's message of Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:44:00 -0500 Message-ID: > Assassins of Silence- Hundred -Watt Violence (Cerus Records 1995) > Limited Edition 300 > hmm - I think I'm several pixels short of a complete picture here. What am I missing and who are the Assassins of Silence........? All information will be gratefully received and temporarily stored along with sundry other miscellaneous data - loss and retrieval failure, though not likely, may however occasionally be experienced. Nothing perfect is jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Sep 17 01:07:27 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 01:07:27 -0400 Subject: Recycled Hawksongs Message-ID: Oh, great. Well, I have the Flick Knife cassette version of O&I, so of course I get screwed out of a song... Just my luck. Chuck From bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM Sun Sep 17 03:09:04 1995 From: bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 23:09:04 -0800 Subject: BOC set changes Message-ID: On Sat 16-Sep-1995 12:17p, jean l delacour wrote: jd> Which brings me to my next point; the opening number. Wouldn't it be jd> great to hear R U Ready 2 Rock as a set opener from time to time?? jd> Stairway has been used as the opener now since late 1989 or so. Thats just what I mean. If it were me (its not), I'd change the opener every week, or even very show. I'd mix that set all to hell & gone... jd> Perhaps we should put our own set list and post it on the list for jd> further scrutiny? See previous post :> ||\ * Ask me for my PGP Key! "San Diego's ||< * Brokedown Palace! 619-596-1974/7419 Original |_||/ * jbrooks at bpalace.com Grateful BBS" From bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM Sun Sep 17 03:05:38 1995 From: bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 23:05:38 -0800 Subject: BOC set changes Message-ID: On Sat 16-Sep-1995 3:40p, Rob Maerz wrote: RM> The reason they play the "Big 3" is because some of the people in RM> attendance only really wanna hear the big 3. I think a variation of the Ahhh, the operative phrase: "*some* of the people" RM> Big RM> 3 would be kewl, such as: RM> Reaper performed ala The Red and The Black (Buck's RM> side project) where Buck would play solo up until the guitar break in the RM> song...this would fit in well w/ the "unplugged" In Thee...would love to RM> see RM> She's As Beautiful As A Foot done acoustic as well.... Yes. RM> Godzilla - make it RM> sure and sweet like SEE (that way they can fit an additional tune into the RM> set), or bring back a 20 foot Zilla w/ laser beam eyes : P I always thought the 20' (30'?) zilla was too much fluff. I did like Al's zilla mask. Except for the bass solo, I'd still skip this song, at least most of the time. Save it for breaking out in those 'special' moments. Lets move the bass solo to another song... ETI perhaps? RM> Burnin - play RM> only up until the ending of the 1st chorus and then immediately cut into RM> Still Burnin'... Sounds good. I've still not heard "Still Burnin' " Where can I catch it? Is it on a CD? I haven't bought anything since Imaginos because my religion frowns on 'best of' albums. I am planning to fork over for WOTT though. RM> they still seem to have some fun...I'd say that 1 out RM> of the 5 shows I've been to this year seems like "they're goin' thru the RM> motions".... Well its been since... '93? but the last few times seemed that way to me. The last time I saw them at a club called the Bacchanal in San Diego they seemed like they were just in a hurry to get back on the road. I guess maybe its me, at least in part.. Even with the superior sound of a smaller club venue, I miss the excitment of a big arena show... go figure... RM> JB> Man, RM> JB> they ought to hire me as their manager :> RM> OK manager, : P...how RM> 'bout this for a setlist: RM> Transmaniacon MC (opener) RM> Career of Evil RM> Dominance & Submission RM> The Subhuman RM> Take Me Away RM> ETI I'm with you so far... RM> I'd Like To See You RM> In Black Another song I've not heard yet.. I'll leave it in just because at least its new. RM> Harvester of Eyes My favorite! Lets make it a long sweaty one and add: ME262 Flaming Telepaths Astronomy Stairway To the Stars>Before the Kiss>Born to Be Wild [Break for 20 or so] RM> "unplugged" RM> In Thee RM> Reaper RM> She's As RM> Beautiful As A Foot I'd sub 'The Great Sun Jester' for 'Foot'. RM> plug 'em back in.... RM> BlackBlade RM> Lips In The Hills Never liked 'Lips'... How about 'Baby Ice Dog'? RM> Mistress of the Salmon Salt RM> The Vigil Yes! I've dreamed of hearing these two live! Especially 'Mistress'. If they ever did it, I sure don't remember it. RM> Burnin For You / Still Burnin' RM> Godzilla Ok, gotta please the FM fans I guess... RM> encore: RM> Golden Age of Leather OD'd on Life RM> 7 Screaming Dizbusters RM> I'm On RM> The Lamb But I Ain't No Sheep >intermixed with Red & Black Heh... they'd need a good long rest after that one, eh? I always enjoy a good 'Last Days of May' too but I guess I'll give ol' Buck a break... :> ||\ * Ask me for my PGP Key! "San Diego's ||< * Brokedown Palace! 619-596-1974/7419 Original |_||/ * jbrooks at bpalace.com Grateful BBS" From ROBODUDE at MSN.COM Sat Sep 16 16:07:16 1995 From: ROBODUDE at MSN.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 20:07:16 UT Subject: Is any Body Out There? Message-ID: ---------- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List on behalf of jean l delacour Sent: Saturday, September 16, 1995 2:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Is any Body Out There? As far as the new drummer, Chuck informed us that it is some guy (for- got the name) that has worked with Rainbow (what a suprise). New drummer is John O'Reilly, who is leaving Rainbow.... From ROBODUDE at MSN.COM Sun Sep 17 09:02:54 1995 From: ROBODUDE at MSN.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 13:02:54 UT Subject: BOC set changes Message-ID: ---------- From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List on behalf of Joseph Brooks Sent: Sunday, September 17, 1995 3:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: BOC set changes On Sat 16-Sep-1995 3:40p, Rob Maerz wrote: RM> The reason they play the "Big 3" is because some of the people in RM> attendance only really wanna hear the big 3. I think a variation of the Ahhh, the operative phrase: "*some* of the people" yeah, "some" of those people have to ruin it for the diehards! : P RM> Burnin - play RM> only up until the ending of the 1st chorus and then immediately cut into RM> Still Burnin'... Sounds good. I've still not heard "Still Burnin' " Where can I catch it? Is it on a CD? I haven't bought anything since Imaginos because my religion frowns on 'best of' albums. I am planning to fork over for WOTT though. You can catch "Still Burnin'", as well as Cold Grey Light Of Dawn (sorry, don't like that tune too much, the chorus is predictable...), The Power Underneath Despair and Harvest Moon on a bootleg. I have a tape that has alot of newer stuff on it that includes those songs as well as Wings of Mercury and The Red & The Black (which has the best version of Reaper done Live, IMO)... RM> OK manager, : P...how RM> 'bout this for a setlist: RM> Transmaniacon MC (opener) RM> Career of Evil RM> Dominance & Submission RM> The Subhuman RM> Take Me Away RM> ETI I'm with you so far... RM> I'd Like To See You RM> In Black Another song I've not heard yet.. I'll leave it in just because at least its new. an excellent tune! very heavy...sounds like a speed metal song...BOC has played this alot lately, and has received a very good response from the crowd. RM> Harvester of Eyes My favorite! Lets make it a long sweaty one and add: ME262 Flaming Telepaths Astronomy Stairway To the Stars>Before the Kiss>Born to Be Wild no way! let's cut ME262! replace with Veteran of the Psychic Wars... [Break for 20 or so] RM> "unplugged" RM> In Thee RM> Reaper RM> She's As RM> Beautiful As A Foot I'd sub 'The Great Sun Jester' for 'Foot'. ok, but we gotta do a Plugged-In version of Foot! : P...(luv that tune!) RM> plug 'em back in.... RM> BlackBlade RM> Lips In The Hills Never liked 'Lips'... How about 'Baby Ice Dog'? well....all-right... RM> Mistress of the Salmon Salt RM> The Vigil Yes! I've dreamed of hearing these two live! Especially 'Mistress'. If they ever did it, I sure don't remember it. got a tape that has this one live.... RM> Burnin For You / Still Burnin' RM> Godzilla Ok, gotta please the FM fans I guess... RM> encore: RM> Golden Age of Leather OD'd on Life RM> 7 Screaming Dizbusters RM> I'm On RM> The Lamb But I Ain't No Sheep >intermixed with Red & Black Heh... they'd need a good long rest after that one, eh? fuck 'em! I always enjoy a good 'Last Days of May' too but I guess I'll give ol' Buck a break... :> ||\ * Ask me for my PGP Key! "San Diego's ||< * Brokedown Palace! 619-596-1974/7419 Original |_||/ * jbrooks at bpalace.com Grateful BBS" ROBO From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Sun Sep 17 10:22:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 09:22:00 -0500 Subject: BOC set changes Message-ID: Jean sez: -> A NEW OPENER? -> -> Which brings me to my next point; the opening number. Wouldn't it be -> great to hear R U Ready 2 Rock as a set opener from time to time?? -> Stairway has been used as the opener now since late 1989 or so. -> Perhaps we should put our own set list and post it on the list for -> further scrutiny? I always thought a perfect opening number would be: Golden Age of Leather The stage is dark, and we can just kinda make out the boys onstage. From out of the amps pours the opening Chorus part of "Leather". BOC concert veterans know they are in for a great show, 1st timers pulses race as the volume increases and they crane their necks to make out the boys up there in the dark. When the last line of the chorus rings out...... *Pause* for about 15 to 20 seconds as the crowd goes nutz expecting the power of Golden age. Then, without warning, on a volume of eleven, the lights come on all at once and the boys scream into the first power chords of Golden age of Leather. Then they could break into Godzilla. Use it to keep momentum going, and get it out of the way early. That way, the hit chasers get to hear it, and the concert veterans don't have to sit and dread it. Keep it short and sweet. As far as the other 2 Hits of "the big 3", I'd still keep REAPER towards the end. I still think this is a killer song. If history hadn't made it such a biggie, I think people would like it more. The other of the big 3 "Burnin' for you", would sound great ALL-Acoustc, maybe slowed down a bit with a bluesy unplugged feel to it. As for the rest of the show, as long as they included The Vigil, I wouldn't give a wet slap what they played. Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sun Sep 17 12:06:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 11:06:00 -0500 Subject: assassins of silence Message-ID: The Assassins of Silence comes from the calvert lyrics to Days of the Underground. Send e-mail to Doug Pearson at: Doug ceres at sirius.com for more information on the cost for you folks overseas. Get one now, before they are all gone, as this is going to be a rare item. SCott From Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK Sun Sep 17 13:28:04 1995 From: Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK (Norman Beresford) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 18:28:04 +0100 Subject: HW CD Discography?? Message-ID: >92 * Electric Teepee > Decide Your Future EP The Friday Rock Show Sessions-Live at Reading '86 Only noticed it 'cos I've been listerning to it so much recently. From Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK Sun Sep 17 13:28:08 1995 From: Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK (Norman Beresford) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 18:28:08 +0100 Subject: Bad Gigs? Message-ID: I was talking to one of my mate's flat mates whose a veteran of quite a number of HW gigs, both punter and support, and he was saying how he felt that HW tended to be rather hit or miss and that in his experiance it tended towards the miss side more oftern then not. I could think of only one bad gig that I have seen (Hemmel Hempstead in 92ish) and that wasn't the bands fault. Just wondered if anyone else had any views on this. As a result of this conversation I now really want to see Nik Turner's lot, any clue as to when they are likely to be touring the UK? Norman From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sun Sep 17 15:33:10 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 15:33:10 -0400 Subject: Anothers Name Message-ID: >If I remember right, the lyrics go '..lets see, you'd be about 60 now, & long >dead by the time I return to Earth....' > >Neil. >i believe neil is correct. rj You are absolutely right, sirs. Apologies for my alzheimers! Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sun Sep 17 15:40:47 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 15:40:47 -0400 Subject: Spirit of the Age Message-ID: This thread influenced my brain at 4.30 am this morning! I reached for "Tales from Atomhenge" from my CD shelf. I was not disappointed. Cheers everybody, Martyn From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Sep 17 15:54:50 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 21:54:50 +0200 Subject: HW CD Discography?? Message-ID: Hi Jeff, If you look for a strictly chronical order, I think this is pretty close. I?ll guess you?ll wipe out the LP?s, but as I?m a vinylist... (corrections/additions from other HW collectors welcome) \\joe year/mth format name type of release 1970/8 LP/CD Hawkwind aka ?The Rock File? Main Release. 1971/10 LP/CD X In Search Of Space Main Release. 1972/4 2LP Greasy Trucker's Party Various Artists. 1972/6 3LP/CD Glastonbury Fayre Various Artists. 1972/11 LP/CD Doremi Fasol Latido Main Release. 1973/5 2LP/2CD Space Ritual Main Release. 1974 LP US Forces Radio Album Various Artists. 1974/9 LP/CD Hall Of The Mountain Grill Main Release. 1975/5 LP/CD Warrior On The Edge Of Time Main Release. 1976/4 LP Roadhawks aka ?Masterpiece Series? Compilation. 1976/8 LP/CD Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music Main Release. 1977/2 LP/CD Masters of the Universe Compilation. 1977 LP Mind Journey Bootleg. 1977/6 LP/CD Quark Strangeness And Charm Main Release. 1977 LP Rock On: Hawkwind/Van Der Graaf Various Artists. 1978/10 LP/CD Hawklords: 25 Years On. Main Release. 1979/5 LP/CD PXR5 Main Release. 1980/7 LP/CD Live Seventy Nine Main Release. 1980/9 LP Repeat Performance aka ?Rock Legends? Compilation. 1980/11 LP/CD Levitation Main Release. 1981/10 LP Sonic Attack Main Release. 1982/3 LP Friends and Relations F&R Family. 1982/5 LP/CD Church of Hawkwind Main Release. 1982 LP Live at the Watchfield and Stonehenge Festivals 1975 Bootleg. 1982/10 LP Choose Your Masques Main Release. 1983 LP Friends & Relations: Twice Upon a Time F&R Family. 1983 LP Live at the Bottom Line, New York, 1978 Bootleg 1983/7 2LP/CD The Text Of Festival: Live 1970-2 Official Bootleg. 1983 2LP Hawkwind Compilation. 1983/10 LP/CD Zones Main Release. 1984/6 10? Independent Days Compilation. 1984/11 2LP/CD This Is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic Main Release. 1985/1 LP/CD Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin Official Bootleg. 1985/2 LP Friends & Relations Vol. 3 F&R Family. 1985/5 2LP/CD Space Ritual II aka ?Live? Official Bootleg. 1985/5 LP Utopia 1984 Compilation. 1985/7 LP Live '70/'73 aka ?Welcome To The Future? Official Bootleg Compilatin. 1985/7 LP/CD In The Beginning aka ?Master Of The Universe? Official Bootleg. 1985/11 LP/CD Anthology Vol. I aka ?Acid Dace Volume 1? Anthology Daze. 1985/11 LP/CD The Chronicle Of The Black Sword Main Release. 1985/11 LP/CD Ridicule Official Bootleg. 1986/6? LP/CD Anthology Volume II aka ?Acid Dace Volume II? Anthology Daze. 1986/6 LP/CD Anthology Volume III aka ?Acid Dace Volume 3? Anthology Daze. 1986/7 LP Hawkfan 12 Obscurity. 1986/10 2LP/CD The Hawkwind Collection Anthology Daze. 1986/11 LP Angels of Death Compilation. 1986/11 LP Independent Days, Vol. 2 Compilation. 1986/11 3LP/2CD The Approved History of aka ?Acid Dace, The History of? Anthology Daze 1986/11 2LP/CD/2CD Live Chronicles Main Release. 1987/4 LP/CD Out And Intake Main Release. 1987/11 LP/CD British Tribal Music Anthology Daze. 1987/11 4LP The Official Picture Log Book Album Compilation. 1987/11 LP/CD Early Daze Official Bootleg Compilation. 1988/4 LP/CD The Xenon Codex Main Release. 1988/9 CD Spirit of the Age Compilation. 1988/11 CD The Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations F&R Family. 1988/11 CD Zones / Stonehenge Album Compilation. 1988/12 2LP/CD Traveller's Aid Trust Various Artists. 1988/12 2LP/2CD/CD That?s Original: Levitation / Hawkwind Live Album Compilation 1989/3 CD Ironstrike Anthology Daze. 1989/4 LP/CD Night of the Hawk Compilation. 1990/4 LP/CD Stasis - The U.A. Years 1971-1975 Compilation. 1990 CD The Best of & the Rest of... Anthology Daze. 1990 CD Night Riding Anthology Daze. 1990/9 LP/CD Space Bandits Main Release. 1991 CD Masters of The Universe Anthology Daze. 1991/6 LP/CD Palace Springs Main Release. 1991 2LP/CD Castle Masters Collection Anthology Daze. 1991/9 CD Space Rock from London aka ?Space London 1972? Bootleg. 1991/10 CD Spirit of The Age Anthology Daze. 1991/10 CD BBC Radio One Live in Concert Live Obscurity. 1991 LP The Golden Void Bootleg. 1991/11 CD The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords Live Obscurity. 1991/12 3CD Anthology Compilation. 1992/2 3CD Three Originals Album Compilation. 1992/3 CD Friday Rock Show - Live at Reading '86 Bootleg. 1992/4 CD Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 Compilation. 1992/5 2LP/CD Electric Tepee Main Release. 1992/5 CD Psychedelic Warlords (The Best of) Compilation. 1992/5 CD The Hawklords Live Live Obscurity. 1992 LP Live at Stonehenge Free Festival Bootleg. 1992/7 CD California Brainstorm Official Bootleg. 1992 CD Orgasmatron Bootleg. 1992 CD Tales from Atom Henge Compilation. 1993 CD Live - St.Albans 1979 Bootleg. 1993/4 CD Lord of Light Compilation. 1993 CD Kings of Speed, Lords of Light Bootleg. 1994 CD Undisclosed Files (- Addendum) Bootleg / Official Bootleg. 1993/11 2LP/CD It Is The Business of the Future to be Dangerous Main Release. 1994 CD The Best of Hawkwind Friends and Relations F&R Family. 1994 LP Assassins of Allah Bootleg. 1994 CD Dawn of Hawkwind Bootleg. 1994 CD Rock City Bootleg. 1994 CD The Best of Hawkwind Anthology Daze. 1994 LP The Cyberspace Conspiracy Bootleg. 1994 2LP/CD The Business Trip Main Release. 1994 4CD 25 Years On Compilation. 1995 CD Psychedelic Warriors: White Zone Main Release. 1995 CD Silver Machine Anthology Daze. 1995 CD Friends & Relations, the Rarities F&R Family. 1995/9? CD Independent Days 1 & 2 Compilation. 1995/9? 2LP/CD Alien Main Release. From delacour at UNM.EDU Sun Sep 17 18:17:54 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 16:17:54 -0600 Subject: BOC set changes In-Reply-To: <8B14232.000100066E.uuout@nor.mkl.com> Message-ID: Robert; Alright, alright!! Here's the ultimate BOC set. I am trying to be realistic about this, so this set clocks in at about 90-100 minutes; Intro; Bladerunner Golden Age of Leather With that dramatic min of silence Dominance & Submission before actual band begins Still Burnin' Title track of new CD ETI Old Faithful!! Buck's Boogie To be alternated with Last Days of May, Astronomy, or The Vigil. In Thee (acoustic) I Love The Night (acoustic) Don't Fear The Reaper (acoustic) Cites On Flame Take Me Away I LIke To See You In Black Plug for the "new CD" Seven Screaming Dizbusters Godzilla Bass Solo; Danny Miranda Drum Solo; John O'Rieley (a short one) Godzilla (Cont) The Five Guitars Born 2 B Wild Encore; Nosferatu This Ain't The Summer Of Love The Red & The Black Jean Delacour & Manuel Alzaga University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 18 00:00:45 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 00:00:45 BST Subject: Recycled Hawksongs In-Reply-To: HERBERT119@delphi.com's message of Sun, 17 Sep 1995 01:07:27 -0400 Message-ID: > Oh, great. Well, I have the Flick Knife cassette version of > O&I, so of course I get screwed out of a song... Just my luck. > > Chuck Well if you ever find the Flicknife CD version (without the extra track) I'll swap it with you for any of the other versions that do have the extra bit. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Sun Sep 17 22:23:08 1995 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas B. Pearson) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 19:23:08 -0700 Subject: Spirit of the Age Message-ID: ...I just had to add to this thread that it's a testament to the genius of Robert Calvert that he could make a lyric as ridiculous as: "... and it says 'oh for the wings of any bird other than a battery hen' but that's the Spirit of the Age ..." come out as one of the most poignant pieces of poetry I've ever read or heard. P.S. Scott & Ron - thanks for the kind words ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com ObCD: Charalambides _Our Bed Is Green_ From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Mon Sep 18 01:54:54 1995 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 21:54:54 -0800 Subject: Taping B.O.C. Message-ID: >Suggestion for the band: Allow taping at your shows!!! Many big bands are >doing it and we love 'em for it. Phish, Blues Traveler, Black Crowes, Grateful >Dead... Anyone ever hear anything from the band on this topic? They are literally a *cult* act (not in name only) now and the era of heavy metal bands playing big hockey barns is at an end (thank heavens) So why not play the role to the hilt and revel in their cult status. "I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the sort of person I'm preaching to." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK Mon Sep 18 08:17:11 1995 From: CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 08:17:11 EDT Subject: Bad Gigs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I'm new around here, or at least my virtual self is new to this mailing list but I thought I'd get involved right away. > I was talking to one of my mate's flat mates whose a veteran of quite a > number of HW gigs, both punter and support, and he was saying how he felt > that HW tended to be rather hit or miss and that in his experiance it tended > towards the miss side more oftern then not. I could think of only one bad > gig that I have seen (Hemmel Hempstead in 92ish) and that wasn't the bands > fault. Just wondered if anyone else had any views on this. Haven't seen a bad gig for years. When gigs are bad I've found that it's not usually the fault of the bad - they play well enough most of the time but sometimes the whole experience doesn't quite work. I think that's often because they're playing inappropriate (i.e. too big and half empty) venues, the crowd is too *passive* (some of the best gigs have been when everyone really freaks out), there are too many crusties trying to blag the price of a ticket/some diesel/a new piece of string for their dog on the way in, or (worst of all) you get stuck next to some nutter who's not recovered from a bad trip he started out on in 1973 and who insists on *singing* the wrong lyrics and shouting for Brainstorm - I mean does he want us to join in HIS personal mental nightmare or what? Worst HW gig ever had most of these - it was one of those Acid Daze things in Leeds a few years ago. Massive cold venue (although pretty full), hoards of crustie beggars and endless hours of atrocious support acts including a typically off-form Pink Faires. Yuck :-( Chris Bates **************************************************** Research Assistant, Computing Research Centre, Sheffield Hallam University, Phone (+44) 0114 253 3101, Email c.d.bates at shu.ac.uk **************************************************** From etlcnsr at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Sep 18 08:30:58 1995 From: etlcnsr at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Colin Shayler) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 08:30:58 BST Subject: Bad Gigs? Message-ID: > Hi Everyone, > > I'm new around here, or at least my virtual self is new to this mailing > list but I > thought I'd get involved right away. > > > I was talking to one of my mate's flat mates whose a veteran of quite a > > number of HW gigs, both punter and support, and he was saying how he > felt > > that HW tended to be rather hit or miss and that in his experiance it > tended > > towards the miss side more oftern then not. I could think of only one > bad > > gig that I have seen (Hemmel Hempstead in 92ish) and that wasn't the > bands > > fault. Just wondered if anyone else had any views on this. > > Haven't seen a bad gig for years. When gigs are bad I've found that it's > not > usually the fault of the bad - they play well enough most of the time but > sometimes the whole experience doesn't quite work. I think that's often > because > they're playing inappropriate (i.e. too big and half empty) venues, the > crowd > is too *passive* (some of the best gigs have been when everyone really > freaks out), > there are too many crusties trying to blag the price of a ticket/some > diesel/a > new piece of string for their dog on the way in, or (worst of all) you > get stuck > next to some nutter who's not recovered from a bad trip he started out on > in > 1973 and who insists on *singing* the wrong lyrics and shouting for > Brainstorm > - I mean does he want us to join in HIS personal mental nightmare or > what? > > Worst HW gig ever had most of these - it was one of those Acid Daze > things in Leeds > a few years ago. Massive cold venue (although pretty full), hoards of > crustie > beggars and endless hours of atrocious support acts including a typically > off-form Pink Faires. Yuck :-( > > > Chris Bates > **************************************************** > Research Assistant, > Computing Research Centre, > Sheffield Hallam University, > Phone (+44) 0114 253 3101, > Email c.d.bates at shu.ac.uk > **************************************************** > I tend to agree with Chris, with the added point of hating having loads of nauseating 15 year olds "rave fans" standing on one side of you trying to dance to what the mad nutter (on the bad trip) is singing on the other side of you. Colin From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Sep 18 09:57:50 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 09:57:50 BST Subject: Bad Gigs? Message-ID: > > I was talking to one of my mate's flat mates whose a veteran of quite a > number of HW gigs, both punter and support, and he was saying how he felt > that HW tended to be rather hit or miss and that in his experiance it tended > towards the miss side more oftern then not. I could think of only one bad > gig that I have seen (Hemmel Hempstead in 92ish) and that wasn't the bands > fault. Just wondered if anyone else had any views on this. > Heresy!!! I was at Hemel Hempstead in '92 and seem to remember that being the only time I've heard them play Levitation live. No gig at which they play Levitation can possibly be bad. On the other hand, though, in about 30-odd HW gigs I don't think I've seen one bad gig. Two do come to mind as being bad experiences, Bristol Colston Hall in 92 where a dodgy trip and a half empty all-seater hall added to a bad atmosphere (for me), and Brixton Fridge in 94 where the band were excellent, but I came down ill. Neither of these were due to the band. bye - rob From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Mon Sep 18 05:26:33 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 05:26:33 -0400 Subject: BOC: Release Date Message-ID: On Friday >Phillip Jaeger said: >>Just stopped at BlockBuster music. >>They have ONE copy of WoT on order for delivery Tues. Sept 26th. Then I said: >Presumably this is still only the US date, any sign of a UK >release date yet? Is it going to get a UK/European release? >Anyone any idea. I have since been into my local independant record shop. They had a look at the Sony release list up to 28th Sept and WotT is not down on it for UK release. Any other UK BOC-Lers got any further info? .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From DH2 at BES.LEEDS.AC.UK Mon Sep 18 07:24:53 1995 From: DH2 at BES.LEEDS.AC.UK (David Hardman) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 11:24:53 GMT Subject: Is any Body Out There? Message-ID: > > Both HW and BOC refer to "Veterans of Psychic Wars". Who > > first invented this phrase and where? > > Er, well, Moorcock invented it, but I wouldn't know where ... > London? I think you'll find he invented it in his mind <> Er, but seriously folks, this phrase crops up in Moorcock's "The Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle, and I'm sure also in a number of other places. I posted these to the list previously and now I can't remember them! Dave Hardman From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Sep 18 06:38:09 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 06:38:09 -0400 Subject: Bad Gigs? Message-ID: ( snip ) >> get stuck >> next to some nutter who's not recovered from a bad trip he started out on >> in >> 1973 and who insists on *singing* the wrong lyrics and shouting for >> Brainstorm >> - I mean does he want us to join in HIS personal mental nightmare or >> what? >> >> Worst HW gig ever had most of these - it was one of those Acid Daze >> things in Leeds >> a few years ago. Massive cold venue (although pretty full), hoards of >> crustie >> beggars and endless hours of atrocious support acts including a typically >> off-form Pink Faires. Yuck :-( >> >> >> Chris Bates >> **************************************************** >> Research Assistant, >> Computing Research Centre, >> Sheffield Hallam University, >> Phone (+44) 0114 253 3101, >> Email c.d.bates at shu.ac.uk >> **************************************************** >> >I tend to agree with Chris, with the added point of hating having loads >of nauseating 15 year olds "rave fans" standing on one side of you trying >to dance to what the mad nutter (on the bad trip) is singing on the other >side of you. > >Colin > > Hey, does this guy get around or what? I saw him at a show in Cleveland, Oh. both Hawkwind and Nik Turner shows in fact. Duane -- " You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." Bob Dylan From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Sep 18 11:50:02 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 11:50:02 BST Subject: HW near Cambridge, UK? In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Fri, 15 Sep 1995 13:18:18 -0400 Message-ID: > Well, does anyone know how close HW is coming to Cambridge, England > following October 1? Brixton Academy, Sat. Oct 21st, 6pm-6am. The box office is +44 171 924 9999, and the cost is 17 pounds by credit card. (Rather a lot for a gig, but there are several bands playing). > I've just gotten my final college acceptance to U. Cambridge I hope you enjoy the experience. (I didn't). Travel to the gig is easy from Cambridge. There is a non-stop train to King's Cross (London), which takes 50 mins. There you change onto the Victoria tube line, which goes straight to Brixton. Buy an A-Z of London before you travel. The academy is easy walking distance from the tube station, but I don't remember the route. Dave. From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Mon Sep 18 07:59:58 1995 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 21:59:58 +1000 Subject: BOC: Memorabilia Message-ID: I was in a local record shop on Saturday and I came across a BOC booklet. It looked like a tour guide though it didn't seem to mention any dates or venues. It had biog stuff of the band, and mentioned _Spectres_ as being recently released. It was marked at A$24.95, which I guess is about US$18.00 or UK12.00. I must confess to not looking at it all that closely, it's not my sort of thing, but it did make me curious about BOC-Lers who are into memorabilia. Is there much trade in BOC goodies and tidbits? Is this a fair price for this book? Coincidentally, I was playing my _OYFOOYK_ CD this morning before work and while looking at the liner notes I noticed that Buck's name is spelt Rooser in the band list. Is this a valid alternative spelling or a misprint? Is it a collectable? I know that my brother-in-law, who is German, often uses _oe_ instead of _o_ with an umlaut (..) e.g. in his email address. BTW, the shop is called Rockaway Records, which also has branches in California and Arizona. I believe that the bloke here's brother runs one (or both?) of the US shops, and he ships over a lot of vinyl etc by the container load. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts. Pete. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Sep 18 14:13:49 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 14:13:49 BST Subject: HW near Cambridge, UK? Message-ID: > > No east coast dates so your best bet will likely be London tho' be > cautious in Brixton if you emerge early in the morning before the Tube > is running. Best to travel in company with someone who knows the area! > > jill (pessimist) strobridge > That's being a tad paranoid isn't it Jill? Brixton is not as bad as it used to be and there is no real need to take to side streets anyway as both tube station and bus routes are on the Brixton main road. The best bet is to get a bus rather than tube as the buses start earlier. bye - Rob From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Mon Sep 18 09:36:54 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 09:36:54 -0400 Subject: assassins of silence In-Reply-To: <9509170303.aa00224@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Sep 17, 95 03:03:47 am Message-ID: > > Assassins of Silence- Hundred -Watt Violence (Cerus Records 1995) > > Limited Edition 300 > > hmm - I think I'm several pixels short of a complete picture here. > What am I missing and who are the Assassins of Silence........? Well, in this case it's simply the collective name for everyone on the Hawkwind tribute compilation. I wish they'd put this out on CD ... :( Cheers, Carl From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Sep 18 10:07:43 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 10:07:43 -0400 Subject: assassins of silence In-Reply-To: <199509181336.JAA21037@wjh.harvard.edu> from "Carl E. Anderson" at Sep 18, 95 09:36:54 am Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > Well, in this case it's simply the collective name for everyone on > the Hawkwind tribute compilation. I wish they'd put this out on CD ... :( Me too (ahem). My vinyl playing equipment is over the other side of the Atlantic, with no prospect of it being replaced over this side. Cheers, Paul. obNuisance: Getting a call from my long distance carrier to ask why I've dropped them, thereby discovering I'd been slammed by someone else. :-( e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. "If it wasn't for bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all..." From christoj at PLK.AF.MIL Mon Sep 18 11:02:07 1995 From: christoj at PLK.AF.MIL (Julian Christou) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 09:02:07 -0600 Subject: BOC in Albuquerque In-Reply-To: from "jean l delacour" at Sep 16, 95 12:33:21 pm Message-ID: > Brian; > > Welcome to the list!! Jean & I live here in Albq also, and we are > pretty hardcore BOC fans. > > We hope to see you at the show. I have seen them about 15 times, > so you will not be disappointed. > > .......Manuel > > Jean Delacour > University of New Mexico > Parish Library > Alb, NM 87131-1496 > delacour at unm.edu > Welcome to the list also. I'm one of the HW fabns rather than a BOC fan here on the list and was really hoping to see them here. However, I'll be travelling out of the country when they're here. Same thing happened the last two years when NikWind played here - bummer!. Anyhow enjoy the show you guys - I expect to hear all about it. ObOffTopic: At least I get to see Page & Plant the night before I leave ... ObCD: Amon Duul II: Milestones Julian -- +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ | Dr. Julian Christou | Phone: 505-846-4712 x330 | | PL/LIG, Phillips Lab | FAX: 505-846-2213 | | 3550 Aberdeen SE +-----------------------------+ | Kirtland AFB, NM 87117-5776 | E-mail: christoj at plk.af.mil | +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ " You don't have to be ashamed of using your own ideas" Brian Eno - Oblique Strategies From bfreitas at WEBB.PVT.K12.CA.US Mon Sep 18 12:15:53 1995 From: bfreitas at WEBB.PVT.K12.CA.US (Bill Freitas @ The Webb Schools) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 09:15:53 -0700 Subject: Is any Body Out There? Message-ID: >Perhaps Ritchie Blackmore should thank BOC on the lier notes of the >new Rainbow CD. Wouldn't it be cool if both bands toured together? Actually, they did! It was 1979 (I think)... Bill. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 18 12:31:02 1995 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 12:31:02 -0400 Subject: BOC set changes Message-ID: Damn, ROBO. WHAT A SETLIST!!! Let me know where and when the show will be. I'll be there... R. BTW, I'd dump Zilla and put something else. I Love The Night? Unknown Tongue? Nosferatu? All of the above? In a message dated 95-09-16 11:48:36 EDT, you write: >OK manager, : P...how >'bout this for a setlist: > >Transmaniacon MC (opener) >Career of Evil >Dominance & Submission >The Subhuman >Take Me Away >ETI >I'd Like To See You In Black >Harvester of Eyes > >"unplugged" >In Thee >Reaper >She's As Beautiful As A Foot > >plug 'em back in.... >BlackBlade >Lips In The Hills >Mistress of the Salmon Salt >The Vigil >Burnin For You / Still Burnin' >Godzilla > >encore: >Golden Age of Leather >7 Screaming Dizbusters >I'm On The Lamb But I Ain't No Sheep > From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Sep 18 12:53:07 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 17:53:07 +0100 Subject: HW near Cambridge, UK? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 15 Sep 1995 18:25:35 -0000." <9509151825.aa20262@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: > Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > Well, does anyone know how close HW is coming to Cambridge, England > > following October 1? I've just gotten my final college acceptance to U. > > Camrbridge (cutting it close here) and will be moving there in 2 weeks. So > > I oughta make it in time for the fall tour, right? (excuse me: *roight*?) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Cambridge is nye on in the fens. Therefore this would be something like "Tha's rite boy" :-) ('boy'/'gal' a mandatory ending to each sentence) > The tour starts on the 12th and London and Wolverhampton should be > possible from Cambridge. > > Tim's from those parts isn't he? He might be driving to the gig. I'm about 60 miles from Cambridge but in all the wrong directions. I haven't decided if I'm getting to any of the dates yet, although the prospect of a mondo boc-l meetup for Brixton is quite appealing. I need to find some crash space first, and besides, I'd recommend the train for getting to London gigs from Cambridge or Ipswich. But keep me posted if you get stuck for transport Carl, I spect we could sort something out. Tim From christoj at PLK.AF.MIL Mon Sep 18 13:21:55 1995 From: christoj at PLK.AF.MIL (Julian Christou) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 11:21:55 -0600 Subject: Adian Wagner In-Reply-To: <199509181502.JAA18205@ug1.plk.af.mil> from "Julian Christou" at Sep 18, 95 09:02:07 am Message-ID: While browsing through Ranjit Padmanabhan progressive Rock homepage http://www.webpage.com/~progtron I came across the following: Wagner, Adrian - Distances Between Us Adrian Wagner has long laboured in the UK synth scene, from his beginnings as a purveyor of keyboard-heavy "space music". His output these days is more in the area of symphonic keyboard rock, with rather "heavy" themes, ranging from the Inca civilization to space fantasy. This is the CD reissue of his 1974 debut, that has been critically acclaimed, and features songs built around various analog keyboards, including the venerable Mellotron, with some similarities to the style of Tangerine Dream at that time. Most of the passages are instrumental, and straddle the boundary between electronic music and German prog rock of groups such as Novalis. His vocals are quite reasonable too, and do not detract from the music. As might be expected, Mel Collins contributes sax on one of the tracks, which also includes percussion by Morris Pert. And Now the HW related part .... Additionally, Mr. Wagner was apparently a good friend of Robert Calvert (ex-Hawkwind, who died in 1987), who composed lyrics and sang vocals on three of the tracks herein. Some similarities to Hawkwind are also evident throughout this album, especially in the synth textures and styles used. As a gesture of friendship, Wagner has dedicated this release to Calvert and has promised that 10% of all profits realised from the sales of this CD will be donated to Calvert's son, Nicholas. So now for a question: Has anyone heard this/familiar with it. It sounds very very interesting. Julian -- +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ | Dr. Julian Christou | Phone: 505-846-4712 x330 | | PL/LIG, Phillips Lab | FAX: 505-846-2213 | | 3550 Aberdeen SE +-----------------------------+ | Kirtland AFB, NM 87117-5776 | E-mail: christoj at plk.af.mil | +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ " You don't have to be ashamed of using your own ideas" Brian Eno - Oblique Strategies From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Mon Sep 18 13:55:04 1995 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 13:55:04 -0400 Subject: Amon Duul II Review (off-topic) In-Reply-To: <01HVDPPKBAMUYOM5XD@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> from "Scott Heller" at Sep 17, 95 11:06:00 am Message-ID: Hey there, all you ADII fans...I know there must be a few of you out there: Just thought I'd post this review of their latest (reunion) release FWIW...I originally posted it on rec.music.progressive. Here goes: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Folks: For those of you who are interested (or haven't heard about it) - Amon Duul II (the *real* one this time), has reformed and has just released a full-length album. Here is some pertinent info and a short review FWIW: Amon Duul II -- Nada Moonshine # (pronounced as 'number') Schneeball Records (Germany) -- Cat. # 30562 Length -- 61:10 Year -- 1995 Amon Duul II (1995) is: Chris Karrer -- Guitar, Vocals, Sax, Violin Renate Knaup -- Vocals Lothar Meid -- Bass, Vocals, Percussion Peter Leopold -- Drums Guests include: Peter-Paul Kuen -- Synth. Felix Occhionero -- Guitar Uwe Mullrich -- Bass Hans Peter (?) -- Drums Track Listing (Authors): 1 -- Castenada da Dream (Kuen/Karrer) 7:49 2 -- Nada Moonshine # (L. Meid/Knaup) 8:42 3 -- Speed (inside my shoes) (L. Meid/Knaup) 4:22 4 -- Sirens in Germanistan (Leopold/Karrer/Knaup) 5:56 5 -- Lilac Lillies (A. Meid/L. Meid) 4:59 6 -- Kiss Ma Eee (A. Meid/L. Meid) 8:18 7 -- Carpetride in Velvet Night (Karrer) 5:18 8 -- Black Pearl of Wisdom (Karrer/Knaup/Leopold) 5:05 9 -- Ca Va (A. Meid/L. Meid) 5:39 10-- Guadalquivir (Karrer) 4:58 O.K., other than the mini-reunion of sorts that produced the album 'Vortex' in 1981, this line-up (the classic line-up) of Amon Duul II hasn't really recorded together since 'Made in Germany' in 1976 (other than the two new tracks on the 1993 compilation 'Surrounded by the Bars'). The late 70's material (what I call the Stefan Zauner-era) was true Amon Duul II also, although it was quite different than the original classic lineup. All the 80's releases, of course, were pretty bogus, as far as using the name is concerned. Anyway, so what would a reunited ADII of the 90's sound like??? Well, first off, the conspicuous absence of John Weinzierl first made me think that something would certainly be missing in the sound/songwriting, but then I realized that Karrer would be missed even more (because of his sax and violin-playing, a necessity IMHO to their unique style). But this truly does sound like the old Amon Duul II in many ways....such as: - The dichotomy in the vocals of Renate Knaup...sometimes deep, strong voice, and sometimes a very high (almost falsetto) ultra-feminine voice - The whispered, low vocals of Chris Karrer, and the semi-spoken, semi-sung vocals of Lothar Meid - The eastern influences on several songs -- 'Carpetride' sounds much like 'Flowers of the Orient' - The abrupt and complete change in direction that several of the songs take; although none have the typical "a. b. c. d. etc." sections like on early ADII albums, several tracks seem like two songs stuck back-to-back - Karrer's violin and sax are prominent, and some real good guitar work, which made me miss Weinzierl less - Lots of "tribal" rhythmic stuff.....reminiscent of Da Guadeloop But there are some differences, also, as the classic ADII sound has definitely been updated to the 90's; the music is greatly electronic-sounding, although it is not overly synthesised, if you know what I mean...just lots of heavy rhythmic lines that underlie the rest of the sound. This is actually only true for the first half of the album or so.....the last four and a half tracks (Kiss Ma Eee changes gears midway through) sound much like 'HiJack'. The music is not very similar to Yeti and Dance of the Lemmings anywhere I don't think, but as I say, much more like the 74-76 years (HiJack through Pyragony). All in all, it's a decent album (very creative, but kind of hit-and-miss), although I'd admit it's not among their very best.....at least not after only a couple of listens. But it is fantastic that they're recording again after all these years...I just hope that someday, I'll get a chance to see them live...I doubt it though. Just in case, though, would someone please post dates if they ever tour anywhere??? Even Europe....I might be there early next year. -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Keith A. Henderson Byrd Polar Research Center khenders at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu "Have another stick of gum." (I. Kilmister) From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 18 19:37:43 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:37:43 BST Subject: HW near Cambridge, UK? In-Reply-To: Rob S's message of Mon, 18 Sep 1995 14:13:49 BST Message-ID: > > is running. Best to travel in company with someone who knows the area! > > > > jill (pessimist) strobridge > > > > That's being a tad paranoid isn't it Jill? Brixton is not as bad > as it used to be and there is no real need to take to side streets > anyway as both tube station and bus routes are on the Brixton main > road. The best bet is to get a bus rather than tube as the buses > start earlier. > Maybe - but when you are thrown out of Brixton Acad at 4am on a dark autumn morning after an all-night awake session and you are not feeling at your most supremely observant or intelligent, you don't know where the best bus stop is for Outer Shepherd's Bush or how long you'll have to wait for one to arrive, there's two hours 'til the Tube opens, and you look, act and sound like a stranger, it is (1) adviseable not to wander around alone looking lost and (2) it sure helps to have someone there who can tell you that just 50 yards round that corner in that direction there is an all-night cafe where you can get breakfast, some tea and sit down for a while and talk with other Hawkwind folk who have found their way there! jill who managed to get hopelessly lost looking for Brixton station - I guess I was having an off day. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 18 19:50:06 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:50:06 BST Subject: Adian Wagner In-Reply-To: Julian Christou's message of Mon, 18 Sep 1995 11:21:55 -0600 Message-ID: > Wagner, Adrian - Distances Between Us > > Adrian Wagner has long laboured in the UK synth scene, from his beginnings as a > purveyor of keyboard-heavy "space music". His output these days is more in the > area of symphonic keyboard rock, with rather "heavy" themes, ranging from the > Inca civilization to space fantasy. > > Additionally, Mr. Wagner was apparently a good friend of Robert Calvert > (ex-Hawkwind, who died in 1987), who composed lyrics and sang vocals on three > of the tracks herein. Some similarities to Hawkwind are also evident > throughout this album, especially in the synth textures and styles used. > As a gesture of friendship, Wagner has dedicated this release to > Calvert and has promised that 10% of all profits realised from the sales > of this CD will be donated to Calvert's son, Nicholas. > > So now for a question: Has anyone heard this/familiar with it. It sounds > very very interesting. > I've got the album which is terribly badly pressed. The sound quality of the vinyl is, frankly, awful - so I hope the CD has been made from the master tapes! Some of the vocal tracks are a bit bizarre, some of the orchestral synth is rather beautiful (or it would be if you could hear it) and some of it rather experimental and somewhat strange. You can certainly hear Calvert's hand behind the scenes on a few of the tracks and it's an interesting album - well off the mainstream music line. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lansford at VNET.NET Mon Sep 18 13:41:48 1995 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Oyster Girl) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 17:41:48 +0000 Subject: BOC set changes Message-ID: On 16 Sep 95, Joseph Brooks wrote: > RM> BlackBlade > RM> Lips In The Hills > > Never liked 'Lips'... How about 'Baby Ice Dog'? Wishful thinking, there. Maybe you can hear TBS do it someday, though. > RM> Mistress of the Salmon Salt > RM> The Vigil > > Yes! I've dreamed of hearing these two live! Especially 'Mistress'. > If they ever did it, I sure don't remember it. Bolle has a tape with MotSS. It wasn't played much live. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- It's not what people call you - but what you answer to - that matters. - Barry Saunders -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net From Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK Mon Sep 18 21:28:03 1995 From: Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK (Norman Beresford) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 02:28:03 +0100 Subject: Bad Gigs? Message-ID: > Heresy!!! I was at Hemel Hempstead in '92 and seem to remember that > being the only time I've heard them play Levitation live. The problems I had with H.H were basicly what seems to be the common complaint. Too big a venue with too small a crowd. I like my HW gigs to be packed/hot and sweaty. Mind you H.H did have it's high points: The small bloke sitting crossed legged at the front of the stage for half the gig before coming to and pounding the air; The bloke coming on stage to dance. I might be wrong about my conclusions from this so I had better retell the story. During the HW set (support band didn't show) there were a few people dancing on the left of the stage. I forgotten what song he came on for but some crusty climbed out of the audiance and started to dance in between D.B and A.D in the middle of the stage. From where I was I could see a security m,an come forward to shove him off but was motioned back by D.B. This was probably something to do with the blokes decent dancing and his dredds which really looked good in the strobes. He kept dancing for a while when one of the lab coat brigade decided that it looked good and wanted a go himself. He bounced out onto center stage and started doing the kind of dance that you see teachers doing at school discos. A.D motioned to the security bloke (big with kilt on I think) who promtly threw the bloke off stage. The reason for the story is that the crusty looked identical to the dancer at the following years(I think) all-nighter. Could this be true? I've only seen HW at an all seater venue once (Hammersmith '93?). I enjoyed the show (hey Krell aren't that bad) and the lighting was the best I've ever seen but my friends had a bad run in with a load of punks. Basicly the bloke to my left got chain whipped and then they started on my friends. Fortunatly(?) I was so rapt by the music I din't notice untill some one shoved me out of the way of the rain of blows being dished out behind me. It put a bit of a sour note on the everning really. Anyway hopefully all the gigs on this tour will be good! I'll probably be at the Liverpool.Manchester,London and Portsmouth dates. If I can persuade my girlfriend that she really wants to see HW live and that she also wants to drive there (as apposed to hitching) there'll probably be room for 3ish people in the car (travelling from Bps.Stortford via London that evening and returning the same night) if anyone is intreasted. Norman From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon Sep 18 22:55:20 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 22:55:20 -0400 Subject: BOC CDs, was Re: BOC We gotta get out.... In-Reply-To: <199509090001.UAA03087@ns1.ptd.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Sep 1995, Vince LeGrand wrote: > >I have always wondered, however, whether these CDs would > >sound better if the CD player were plugged instead into the phono > >input of the amplifier... > > > Paul...don't do that. the phono input on your stereo is designed for an > input level that is about 1/100 as high as the CD or AUX input. If you > connect your CD player to the phono input, you will probably fry your phono > preamp. Ok... so how about if you did 99% signal attenuation it first? I'd _love_ to come up with a workable fix to this problem, because I have a lot of CDs that sound like absolute shit because of it. C'mon, some of you EEs out there, earn your keep. ;-) Steve From b_pospiech at SHAMROCK.PING.DE Mon Sep 18 15:59:00 1995 From: b_pospiech at SHAMROCK.PING.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 18:59:00 -0100 Subject: HW Bad Gig Message-ID: Hi there the worst HAWKWIND gigs I know (from my tapes) are: - London, 27.May.1973 - Exeter, 31.Aug.1991 The band really played very bad. All gigs I've seen were good. Exceptional good was: - London, 16.May.1992 cu Bernhard b_pospiech at shamrock.ping.de From etlcnsr at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue Sep 19 06:53:24 1995 From: etlcnsr at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Colin Shayler) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 06:53:24 BST Subject: BOC CDs, was Re: BOC We gotta get out.... Message-ID: Plugging the CD player into your phono socket would be a mistake on 2 grounds: 1) As has been suggested, the CD output is 2 volts peak to peak whereas the average phono socket expects an awful lot less (cannot remember the exact figures, but can find out if you want, it also varies between Moving Magnet and Moving Coil stylii). 2) There is a strange thing called the RIAA frequency response curve (this sometimes gets mentioned on LP sleeves) which corrects the fact that there are a lot more high frequencies on vinyl than low frequencies (something to do with it being harder to cut low frequencies into vinyl than high frequencies). You can correct for both problems (attentuation and a filter that acts as the inverse of the RIAA filter in your phono pre-amp), but the abuse on the CD signal would make things worse, not better. I am afraid that I am new to this newsgroup and am not totally sure what you are trying to do (I did not see the original email). Colin > On Fri, 8 Sep 1995, Vince LeGrand wrote: > >I have always wondered, however, whether these CDs would >sound better if the CD player were plugged instead into the phono >input of the amplifier... > > Paul...don't do that. the phono input on your stereo is designed for an > input level that is about 1/100 as high as the CD or AUX input. If you > connect your CD player to the phono input, you will probably fry your phono > preamp. > > Ok... so how about if you did 99% signal attenuation it first? I'd _love_ > to come up with a workable fix to this problem, because I have a lot of > CDs that sound like absolute shit because of it. > > C'mon, some of you EEs out there, earn your keep. ;-) > > Steve > From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Tue Sep 19 04:43:09 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 04:43:09 -0400 Subject: Creem articles, calling Matt Thompson. Message-ID: Sorry to take up band width but, Matt posted the following >Should I post these to the list or should interested people contact me >directly? The Guitar Secrets columns may not be that interesting to >non-guitarists. I also have longer BOC articles from Creem magazine ('74, >'76, '81, '82, '88), Guitar Player ('75 I think), Blast ('76), Metal Scene >(by DF) and others. Perhaps photocopies for anyone interested would be the >best way to share. Matt I tried to mail you about this privately at this address, which you put on the bottom: >Matt Thompson >thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com and got a message back from a Peter Crandall at peter at buckethead.com saying he got the message by accident. He says he gets everything sent to buckethead.com Matt, please can you mail me privately at the address at the bottom, so I can forward you my original message so that I can arrange to get copies of the articles. Sorry everyone to take up room, but I did try privately. .......Charlie. e-mail: grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Sep 19 06:13:23 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 06:13:23 -0400 Subject: Nik Turner Cleveland show Message-ID: A little while back someone posted a message asking for information about anyone having video of the Nik Turner show recently in Cleveland. I privately sent them a phone number to call for info. Well... it seems I have lost that number, so if that person is lurking, could you please return the favor and send me the number? Thank you Duane -- " You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." Bob Dylan From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Tue Sep 19 06:20:17 1995 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Mr. Wizard (ex-zymoticist)) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 11:20:17 +0100 Subject: Pinkwind: Festival of the sun Message-ID: I have recently acquired the Pinkwind CD, and am seeking opinions on it. I feel it is terribly recorded, managing to sound thin and muddy at the same time, a poor example of Nik's asthmatic waterfowl Sax technique, some poor guitaring from Trev Thoms (who I have a couple of Atom Gods LPs by which are far better) and generally unedifying vocals. The choice of tracks is pretty poor, with possibly the worst version of silver machine ever, even beating the washing machine version from the Traveller's Aid Trust LP, 2 spoken tracks that are of the time rather than worth recording and some rather loose jamming that seems to lack purpose or interest. The only track that has any interest for me is the version of Master otU, which is hard to ruin with its epic rifforama, which is not to say that it is good, but it still bears repeated listenings. What do others think? Am I too harsh on this after only a few listens, where do people garner their enjoyment from this CD? Mike w From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Tue Sep 19 07:34:07 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 07:34:07 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: BrS at CBGB's Message-ID: I may be wrong, but wern't the Surgeons playing at CGCBs last Friday? Did anyone go? Perhaps someone could post a review or say how it went. Or have I lost it completely? .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Sep 19 09:56:11 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:56:11 -0400 Subject: NEW AND UPCOMING CD RELEASES, WEEKLY LIST: 1995-Sep-18 (fwd) Message-ID: Submitted for your approval, It seems that the may a bit of a time-warp in effect here. Isn't the BOC best-of due out _next_week_? Hmmm? Forwarded message: > From new-releases-request at cs.uwp.edu Mon Sep 18 22:38:06 1995 CHOMP! 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The month is always listed > first. Entries marked MO/YR (95 or 96) are approximate and are listed after > each month's exact entries (MO/DY). > > LISTING: > > R 09/19 Be-Bop Deluxe BBC Radio One: Live in Concert > R 09/19 Blue Oyster Cult Best of That's today! > r 09/26 Brian Auger Closer To It > r 09/26 Brian Auger The Complete Live Oblivion [2 CDs] Ooops, sorry, left those in by accident (NOT! He's been waiting for these to be issued on CD for years!) > 09/26 Barney Barney's Sleepytime Songs SBK To lull Stevie to sleep at night... >:-) > R 09/26 Jade Warrior Elements: The Island Anthology Wasn't someone on this list into JW? > * 09/95 Dread Zeppelin No Quarter Pounder BCR/lm Just when you thought it was safe... > 10/03 Geezer Butler G.Z.R. Sab fans, take note... > * 10/24 Ozric Tentacles Become the Other IRS/db YEAH!!!! > > DISCLAIMERS: > Dates given are U.S. release dates (generally Tuesday), unless otherwise > indicated. Release dates could change without notice. This list might > contain errors and may not be complete. In the event of conflicting dates > from different sources, generally the later date will be used. > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue Sep 19 10:16:29 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:16:29 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: BrS at CBGB's In-Reply-To: <9509191134.AA02162@phinet.sb.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Sep 1995, CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY wrote: > I may be wrong, but wern't the Surgeons playing at CGCBs > last Friday? > Did anyone go? > Perhaps someone could post a review or say how it went. > Or have I lost it completely? Well, I was out of town over the weekend, which is why I haven't posted my review yet. But yes, the show at CBs did go off. Review to follow. Steve P.S. Yes, the CBs show lured me out of hiding. ;-) From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Sep 19 15:42:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 15:42:00 BST-1 Subject: BOC Set List Message-ID: Well, the kind of set I'd like to see would go something like this: Demon's Kiss See You in Black Me 262 Still Burnin' Savage Garden Harvest Moon Nightmare Epiphany Cold Grey Light of Dawn In Thee Great Sun Jester Don't Fear the Reaper The Horsemen Arrive Secret Road Power Underneath Despair Shadow Warrior Hot Rails to Hell Born to be Wild With an encore of Roadhouse Blues Love Me Two Times Maserati GT That would rule! (Or at least be very interesting.) - Andy From cp682 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Tue Sep 19 12:00:34 1995 From: cp682 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Lisa Quinn) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:00:34 -0400 Subject: Nik Turner Cleveland Video Message-ID: Hello to All Hawkfans, I'm the person currently working on this video. I hope to have it finished quite soon, and will put a post up abouy it when it is done with all of the details. Lisa -- Lisa Quinn at cp682 at cleveland.freenet.edu From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Sep 19 12:55:15 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:55:15 +0100 Subject: BOC Set List In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 19 Sep 1995 15:42:00 -0000." Message-ID: Andy sez - > Well, the kind of set I'd like to see would go something like this: > > Demon's Kiss > See You in Black > Me 262 > Still Burnin' > Savage Garden <-| > Harvest Moon | > Nightmare Epiphany <-| > Cold Grey Light of Dawn | > In Thee Whoa, what are these ???? > Great Sun Jester | > Don't Fear the Reaper | > The Horsemen Arrive | > Secret Road <-| > Power Underneath Despair > Shadow Warrior > Hot Rails to Hell > Born to be Wild For me, decent renditions of Golden Age of Leather, Last Days OM, 7 S D-Bs would suffice. Wish fulfillment - Monsters, Shooting Shark, Maserati GT, Noseferatu, Shadow Warrior.` Tim From ROBODUDE at MSN.COM Tue Sep 19 15:20:52 1995 From: ROBODUDE at MSN.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 19:20:52 UT Subject: BOC: Underbelly Online Updates Message-ID: Underbelly Updates this week: * Stairway to the Stars : ROBO's 5 fave bands w/ pics and links * Workshop of the Telescopes : 3 new links added - BOC/HW Web Site, Guitar Player Magazine and Q95 Classic Rock * Lips In The Hills : Polls, polls and more polls, articles, tour dates, Tommy Zvoncheck and concert reviews... ROBO http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Sep 19 23:46:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 23:46:00 BST-1 Subject: BOC Set List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9176.9509191655 at dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Tim asks > > Savage Garden <-| > > Nightmare Epiphany <-| Whoa, what are these ???? > > Secret Road <-| "Savage Garden" was a Red & Black song (as was "Harvest Moon"), which would make quite a decent BOC song, IMO. The others are John Shirley titles which they might have done demos of but haven't played live ever. Of course, (a) I haven't heard most of these myself, which is part of the point; and (b) for them to play a set anything like this they'd have to be promoting their new album (which was the rest of the point). > Wish fulfillment - Monsters, Shooting Shark, Maserati GT, Noseferatu, > Shadow > Warrior.` Someone else who likes "Shadow Warrior"! Yay! - Andy From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Sep 19 19:56:36 1995 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:56:36 -0700 Subject: NEW AND UPCOMING CD RELEASES, WEEKLY LIST: 1995-Sep-18 (fwd) Message-ID: >> R 09/19 Be-Bop Deluxe BBC Radio One: Live in Concert This list seems to be a bit behind the times, as I've had this pup in stock for over a month... Wylie From abrevard at SHL.COM Tue Sep 19 22:15:00 1995 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 19:15:00 PDT Subject: BOC set changes Message-ID: I have had no BOC mail in two days. Is there something wrong with the server or have I been tossed out? Just like to know. A(?)B From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Tue Sep 19 23:08:44 1995 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas B. Pearson) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 20:08:44 -0700 Subject: Amon Duul II Review (off-topic) Message-ID: ...you might be interested to know that there is now a Krautrock list ("isi") on the internet ... lots of discussion regarding Can, Faust, Kraftwerk & other more obscure bands ... you can get on the list by sending a message with the word "s*bscribe" in the first line (the '*' should be a 'u', of course, but I know majordomo & some other listservs don't like to see that word in a regular message) to: isi-request at wopr.gsm.uci.edu -Doug ceres at sirius.com Ob7": Icky Boyfriends _End of Lust_ From JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM Wed Sep 20 00:01:09 1995 From: JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM (JEFFRIEDLE at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 00:01:09 -0400 Subject: Adian Wagner Message-ID: Yep, I've heard it cuz I've had the record for about 10 years now...nice version of "Steppenwolf" Jeff From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Tue Sep 19 20:33:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 19:33:00 -0500 Subject: BOC CDs, was Re: BOC We gotta get out.... Message-ID: -> > >I have always wondered, however, whether these CDs would -> > >sound better if the CD player were plugged instead into the phono -> > >input of the amplifier... -> > > -> > Paul...don't do that. the phono input on your stereo is designed -> for an > input level that is about 1/100 as high as the CD or AUX -> input. If you > connect your CD player to the phono input, you will -> probably fry your phono > preamp. -> -> Ok... so how about if you did 99% signal attenuation it first? I'd -> _love_ to come up with a workable fix to this problem, because I have -> a lot of CDs that sound like absolute shit because of it. That's kinda strange for me to hear. I've never purchased a CD that sounded "like absolute Shit". At the VERY LEAST, every CD I've ever bought (or even heard for that matter) sound like a record with no rice-krispies. Some sound SUPERB when remastered and remixed, but "absolute shit", no never. Are you sure you don't have some faulty CD's? I think my OYFoOYK's CD is faulty, On the part where Eric says, "Like to thank my fiends here that gave me this little whip......" it sounds like someone is running a blender with pieces of slate in it. Anyone elses feet/knees have this on it? Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com "She's cute, she's rooty-toot-toot I bet she smells like juicy-fruit" - Crow T. Robot From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Sep 20 02:41:37 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 02:41:37 -0400 Subject: NEW AND UPCOMING CD RELEASES, WEEKLY LIST: 1995-Sep-18 (fwd) Message-ID: Paul, Thanks for the info on Hawklords Live. It does look great, but since it wasn't released 'till '92, probably one of those CD only releases, and if it was released on vinyl, not likely I'd find it over here. Oh well, I'll at least get a dub of it someday. Tough to beat that set list... Thanks for taking care of the whole Henderson/records deal. I'm gonna e-mail him and confirm that I got his address... I assume you wouldn't need any extra money for shipping again, are you gonna send the records to Vegas again? Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Sep 20 02:56:35 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 02:56:35 -0400 Subject: NEW AND UPCOMING CD RELEASES, WEEKLY LIST: 1995-Sep-18 (fwd) Message-ID: Whoops. Sorry about this. And as I apologize, I put up yet another note to delete... That's okay, I'll apologize for this note in a third note... Something wrong w/my server (I think that term applies here), which is nothing new. For the same reason I missed the CBGBs BS review, so if someone wouldn't mind posting that back up again... Chuck From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Wed Sep 20 05:20:52 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 10:20:52 +0100 Subject: Old info? In-Reply-To: <9509151842.AA04551@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Craig Shipley wrote: > label for Cleopatra). Versatile folk, Pressurehead. Also from > Hypnotic is Space Does Not Care by Zero Gravity, which is > basically Pressurehead's Len Del Rio, BOC link - isn't there a song that goes "Del Rio's song oh Del Rio when times get rough and rivers freeze I think you know enough.." Maybe one of our BOC fans will be able to help with the title and correction of those poorly remembered lyrics..and also if it is a totally different Del Rio? Maxine From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Wed Sep 20 07:46:40 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 11:46:40 +0000 Subject: BOC CDs, was Re: BOC We gotta get out.... Message-ID: > Are you sure you don't have some faulty CD's? I think my OYFoOYK's CD is > faulty, On the part where Eric says, "Like to thank my fiends here that > gave me this little whip......" it sounds like someone is running a > blender with pieces of slate in it. Anyone elses feet/knees have this on > it? Yea I have it too. It's beautiful... Mine is mastered in Austria. Otherwise it sounds MUCH better than my old vinyl (I've played that one so many times that the needle came out on the other side. Honestly...) Also my Secret Treaties CD has a fault. In the guitarsolo of Cagey Cretins the sound almost stops for a short moment as if someone (probably excited by Bucks work) accidentally had touch the master-tape. Dan From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Sep 20 08:44:16 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:44:16 -0400 Subject: Old info? In-Reply-To: from "Maxine Wesley" at Sep 20, 95 10:20:52 am Message-ID: Maxine Wesley writes: > > label for Cleopatra). Versatile folk, Pressurehead. Also from > > Hypnotic is Space Does Not Care by Zero Gravity, which is > > basically Pressurehead's Len Del Rio, > > BOC link - isn't there a song that goes > > "Del Rio's song > oh Del Rio > when times get rough > and rivers freeze > I think you know enough.." > > > Maybe one of our BOC fans will be able to help with the title and > correction of those poorly remembered lyrics..and also if it is a totally > different Del Rio? No, it is the self same Del Rio. You see, it's all part of the carefully planned "random access myth" of _Imaginos_. Whilst time-hopping during the _Imaginos_ recording sessions, Al stumbled on the future wherein he was a member of BOC-L. Intrigued by all the talk of Hawkwind, Nikwind, and all the Friends and Relations (such as Pressurehed), he decided to pay a sly homage to the list by going back and penning a song with an obscure, almost undetectable Hawkwind reference in it (trying also, at the same time, to bridge the Hawkwind/Nikwind schism). "And it would have worked if it hadn't been for those meddling kids..." ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _Sprawl_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Sep 20 09:27:26 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:27:26 -0400 Subject: NEW AND UPCOMING CD RELEASES, WEEKLY LIST: 1995-Sep-18 (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199509192356.QAA06688@ix.ix.netcom.com> from "William Stone" at Sep 19, 95 04:56:36 pm Message-ID: > > >> R 09/19 Be-Bop Deluxe BBC Radio One: Live in > Concert > > This list seems to be a bit behind the times, as I've had this pup in > stock for over a month... > > Wylie > Is yours the US or the UK version? The UK versionj has been out for almost if not more than a year... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 20 15:55:05 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:55:05 BST Subject: NetHawks t-shirts update Message-ID: Some more cash for the tshirts has trickled in. As yet I have cash for 9 shirts. Once I have enough for a dozen then the project is definately gonna happen. After that, at some point I'll simply draw a line and say that whoever has paid at that time gets a shirt and it's too late for the others. Sorry, but at some point it's only reasonable to do this for the folks that were timely about the deal. Chris Hodge: I still don't even know what size you'd like. If the folks who haven't paid yet don't forsee doing so within the current geological period, could they please cancel for the benefit of the others? Those who are still in should let me have an ETA. 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Kuznick) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 11:11:42 -0400 Subject: Opinions wanted Message-ID: Came across a disc by "Divine Soma Experience". Opinions anyone? A very happy camper now that this list is digestified. Thanks. David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) So storm through the barricades and raise your hands up high All of you pull down your walls, help those too scared to try Don't let them tell you it's only a dream, for never to dream is to die. Don't close your eyes. - "For Your Eyes" - ARAGON From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Wed Sep 20 12:21:50 1995 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:21:50 -0700 Subject: Old info? In-Reply-To: from "Maxine Wesley" at Sep 20, 95 10:20:52 am Message-ID: > > On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Craig Shipley wrote: > > > label for Cleopatra). Versatile folk, Pressurehead. Also from > > Hypnotic is Space Does Not Care by Zero Gravity, which is > > basically Pressurehead's Len Del Rio, > > BOC link - isn't there a song that goes > > "Del Rio's song > oh Del Rio > when times get rough > and rivers freeze > I think you know enough.." Ironically, it's called _Del Rio's Song_. It's on the Imaginos CD. I like Paul Mather's explanation of how it is the same Del Rio. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome From bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM Wed Sep 20 10:04:24 1995 From: bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 06:04:24 -0800 Subject: BOC set changes Message-ID: On Mon 18-Sep-1995 5:41p, Oyster Girl wrote: OG> On 16 Sep 95, Joseph Brooks wrote: OG> > RM> BlackBlade OG> > RM> Lips In The Hills OG> > OG> > Never liked 'Lips'... How about 'Baby Ice Dog'? OG> Wishful thinking, there. Maybe you can hear TBS do it someday, OG> though. Hmmm... Wonder why BOC wouldn't do it? Oh well, hopefully TBS will tour the west coast sometime... OG> > RM> Mistress of the Salmon Salt OG> > RM> The Vigil OG> > OG> > Yes! I've dreamed of hearing these two live! Especially 'Mistress'. OG> > If they ever did it, I sure don't remember it. OG> Bolle has a tape with MotSS. It wasn't played much live. Sure wish I could get my hands on some of these tapes! ||\ * Ask me for my PGP Key! "San Diego's ||< * Brokedown Palace! 619-596-1974/7419 Original |_||/ * jbrooks at bpalace.com Grateful BBS" From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Sep 20 13:12:12 1995 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 13:12:12 -0400 Subject: Lancaster gig Message-ID: Hi UK Folks: Just saw this posted on the alt.music.alternative newsgroup, for those in the area. ------------------------------------------------- Carter USM, The Charlatans, Chumbawamba, Hawkwind, Ozric Tentacles and many more....... For information about these bands' live dates at the Sugar House in Lancaster please send mail with the subject: Gig Info to: gigs at pearuk.demon.co.uk Cheers! -------------------------------------------------- Keith H. From bedens at INTELLINET.COM Wed Sep 20 13:27:11 1995 From: bedens at INTELLINET.COM (Bert Edens) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 13:27:11 -0400 Subject: DIY Trepanation Revisited Message-ID: Greetings... A while back, someone posted information on Do-it-Yourself Trepanation from Crank Magazine... I was perusing the site and ran across the following letter, which was actually sent... Whenever I see a reply, I'll post it here, too... :-) - Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PO Box 1646 Philadelphia, PA 19105-1646 May 13, 1994 Black and Decker Customer Relations 10 N. Park Drive PO Box 798 Hunt Valley, MD 21030 To whom it may concern: I recently read about a couple in England who have drilled holes in their foreheads in an effort to enlighten themselves. I will spare you the details, but will mention that they claim to have "never been happier." I am planning to perform this procedure on myself in the immediate future. And because of your company's reputation and my past experiences with your products, I intend to use Black and Decker tools exclusively to accomplish my goal. I have already purchased a B&D D1000 for the job--I found it to be a very lightweight, easy-to- use drill, on sale at an affordable price! The lock-on button was very important, all things considered. My question is this: which type of drill bit should I use? I'm looking for a 3/8" - 1/2" opening. I'm favoring the 1/2" Wood Boring Bit (#17204) but am afraid of the package description: "fast, rough drilling." Will this be a little TOO rough and hard to handle? I'll be doing this alone. On the other hand, I considered the carbide-tipped, 1/2" Glass and Tile bit (#16905). My only problem with THIS bit is the advice on the package: "use a slow drilling speed; variable or hand drill is ideal." As you well know, the Black and Decker D1000 drill isn't variable speed! Maybe I've made a hasty purchase with the D1000? Should I have sprung for a more expensive model?? Or should I just stick with a trusty 1/2" metal/wood bit? (Maybe #15643?) But I'm afraid it might be difficult (and painful!) to get a hole started. Any advice you provide will be considered with great attention. Your hasty response is appreciated, as I am--of course--anxious to get this done. Sincerely, Jeff Koyen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bert Edens - bedens at intellinet.com | | http://www.intellinet.com/~bedens/home.html | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Picard (about Q): "A member of the Q Continuum, who | | feels that it's his purpose in life to annoy us." | | Q: "Not my SOLE purpose. I like to spread myself around." | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | GO HOGS GO! GO HOGS GO! GO HOGS GO! GO HOGS GO! GO HOGS GO! | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Sep 20 14:26:06 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 14:26:06 -0400 Subject: Use of filters Message-ID: I don't want to spark off yet another meta-discussion but it strikes me that much that is of worth here comes from the cross-pollination between the HW and BOC factions. I think if people start using BOC or HW filters then this could be lost. That could be why its been so damn quiet here (as opposed to the other extreme a few weeks back). Think twice people before stopping the mail about "the other group" Cheers Martyn From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Sep 20 16:15:39 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 16:15:39 -0400 Subject: Use of filters In-Reply-To: <9509201826.AA10278@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Sep 20, 95 02:26:06 pm Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > I don't want to spark off yet another meta-discussion > but it strikes me that much that is of worth here comes from the > cross-pollination between the HW and BOC factions. I think if > people start using BOC or HW filters then this could be lost. > That could be why its been so damn quiet here (as opposed > to the other extreme a few weeks back). Think twice people > before stopping the mail about "the other group" Personally, I don't think it's been particularly quiet. It's not been noisy, but that's a welcome relief, IMHO. However, one thing you may not have considered is that it is no longer summer, and the students/academics on the list are probably now back to the grind. This might contribute some to the lack of volume. Of course, now we have moved to LISTSERV, it's entirely possible for people to forge unsubscribe requests for list members they deem "undesirable", or, even nastier, to set them NOMAIL so they think the list has "died" and so they don't bother posting. Maybe some irate lurker has got at the megaposters? Who knows? Who cares? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Zero Gravity, _Space Does Not Care_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From abrevard at SHL.COM Wed Sep 20 18:54:00 1995 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:54:00 PDT Subject: No subject Message-ID: Hopefully this will get to Ben the moderator. I'm still checking but I think you can reach me through this address. abrevard at shiwas01.washington.mm2.shl.com Sorry to foul up any good threads people, but I miss my BOC-L. AB From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Sep 21 00:02:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 00:02:00 BST-1 Subject: Motorhead in London Message-ID: Just noticed that MH are on at the Forum on Thursday Nov 2nd - I missed them at Brixton earlier this year, thought I might check this out. Don't know any other dates, sorry. - Andy From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Wed Sep 20 17:34:05 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 17:34:05 -0400 Subject: BOC CDs, was Re: BOC We gotta get out.... Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Sep 1995 06:53:24 BST Colin Shayler wrote: > You can correct for both problems (attentuation and a filter that acts as > the inverse of the RIAA filter in your phono pre-amp), but the abuse > on the CD signal would make things worse, not better. > I am afraid that I am new to this newsgroup and am not totally sure > what you are trying to do (I did not see the original email). > > Colin > > > On Fri, 8 Sep 1995, Vince LeGrand wrote: > > > >I have always wondered, however, whether these CDs would > >sound better if the CD player were plugged instead into the phono > >input of the amplifier... > > Ok... so how about if you did 99% signal attenuation it first? > > I'd _love_ to come up with a workable fix to this problem, because > > I have a lot of CDs that sound like absolute shit because of it. I don't know what the RIAA curve would have to do with it unless the CD were mastered from the record rather than the master tape. The curve is only applied during the cutting of the master disc. Maybe CD reissues sound bad because vinyl records hide a multitude of sins with all kinds of noise like inner groove distortion (the last cut on a side is all distorted and trebly sounding), print-through (you hear an echo of the song before the song starts) as well as analogue tape hiss vs. surface noise. On a CD you hear these noises and others in all their glory. Vinyl is dead long live vinyl! Al From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Thu Sep 21 09:30:35 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 09:30:35 -0400 Subject: Motorhead in London In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Sep 21, 95 00:02:00 am Message-ID: > Just noticed that MH are on at the Forum on Thursday Nov 2nd - I missed > them at Brixton earlier this year, thought I might check this out. Don't > know any other dates, sorry. Cool. I might be able to make that. They were brilliant in Masschusetts this summer. Cheers, Carl From MMitchum at DEV2.CLEMSONSC.ATTGIS.COM Fri Sep 22 12:43:00 1995 From: MMitchum at DEV2.CLEMSONSC.ATTGIS.COM (Mitchum, Mark) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:43:00 -0700 Subject: Unsubscribe Message-ID: AT&T has split from one into three, but will do so without some help from me. My e-mail is gone 'fore day twenty-three, so I must bid ado to everyone of thee. (OK, so I ain't no Sandy Pearlman. But I do enjoy H.P. Lovecraft) (By the way, if anybody is looking for an Electrical Engineer with 5 years experience in the PC industry to do performance analysis, tech support or IS, please call me: 803-843-3801) Mark Mitchum "See me in my blue sky bag And meet me by the sea" From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Thu Sep 21 10:04:48 1995 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 10:04:48 -0400 Subject: More opinions wanted Message-ID: And this time on a more HW related note: New Spiral Realms - is it different enough from the first to really warrant getting? Simon House - Yassasin (sp?) - I can't believe I just didn';t buy this w/o thinking, but I've been spending a lot on CDs lately, so I'ld like some opinions before plopping down the $25. Man, is the new Brock disc great! David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) So storm through the barricades and raise your hands up high All of you pull down your walls, help those too scared to try Don't let them tell you it's only a dream, for never to dream is to die. Don't close your eyes. - "For Your Eyes" - ARAGON From gt4722a at PRISM.GATECH.EDU Thu Sep 21 11:25:29 1995 From: gt4722a at PRISM.GATECH.EDU (Brian "AGENT GORDON COLE" Atkins) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 11:25:29 -0400 Subject: NetHawks t-shirts update In-Reply-To: <9509201555.aa23735@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "M Holmes" at Sep 20, 95 03:55:05 pm Message-ID: I'll come up with the money this week and mail it off. Don't let the ship leave without me! ;-) From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Sep 21 12:42:58 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 11:42:58 EST Subject: More opinions wanted Message-ID: Speaking of more opinions on the new HW stuff, there have been a LOT of new CDs coming out, in both the US and UK lately. For example, current or upcoming UK releases include: - HW "Alien" (+ CD-single also available) - HW "Independant Days I & II" - Dave Brock "Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams" - Simon House "Yassasim" - Harvey Bainbridge "Eyebrow Razor" - Nik Turner "PinkWind" + a new book not available in the US! ("Born To Go") In the US, from Nik's side of the fence comes: - Psychedelic Warriors "White Zone" (finally in the US!) - Spiral Realms "Crystal Jungles of Eos" - Zero Gravity "Space Does Not Care" (Len Del Rio link) - Farflung "25,000 Feet Per Second" (Len again) (did I forget anything? I am working from memory here...) What a great time for Hawkwind collectors!!! :-> I have seen brief reviews of "Yassasim" (from jill), and a complaint about "PinkWind" (forgot who); has anybody picked up "Eyebrow Razor" yet? The only complaint I have is that, being in the US, it is difficult and expensive to acquire the UK-only releases. Do any youessay-ans have a particular good means of acquiring the UK imports? Reliability and price are significant factors (as always). I am ready to order many of these immediately, if I only knew who to call.. :-( Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObPlug: Spacious Minds "Cosmic Minds At Play" From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Sep 21 12:48:58 1995 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 11:48:58 -0500 Subject: More opinions wanted In-Reply-To: <9509211142.A10905@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 21 Sep 1995, cjohnson wrote: > The only complaint I have is that, being in the US, it is difficult > and expensive to acquire the UK-only releases. Do any youessay-ans > have a particular good means of acquiring the UK imports? > Reliability and price are significant factors (as always). > > I am ready to order many of these immediately, if I only knew who > to call.. :-( Well, there's always Mike Coleman, as usual at (214)991-6621... or on the Web there's RPM records at (i think): http://www.rpmrecords.com/ If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me. :) Damon From bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM Thu Sep 21 10:05:47 1995 From: bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 06:05:47 -0800 Subject: BOC CDs, was Re: BOC We gotta get out... Message-ID: On Wed 20-Sep-1995 5:34p, albert bouchard wrote: ab> master disc. Maybe CD reissues sound bad because vinyl records hide a ab> multitude of sins with all kinds of noise like inner groove distortion ab> (the ab> last cut on a side is all distorted and trebly sounding), print-through ab> (you ab> hear an echo of the song before the song starts) as well as analogue tape ab> hiss ab> vs. surface noise. On a CD you hear these noises and others in all their ab> glory. Vinyl is dead long live vinyl! I may be in a vast minority on this but... for certain types of music, I prefer vinyl over CD. Sometimes CD is just *too* clean, too steril sounding. Sometimes the muddier sound of vinyl (if said vinyl is in good shape and on a decent system) is better to my ears, especially for 'raunchy' rock n roll or old blues etc. From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 21 18:11:39 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 18:11:39 BST Subject: More opinions wanted In-Reply-To: David B. Kuznick's message of Thu, 21 Sep 1995 10:04:48 -0400 Message-ID: > Simon House - Yassasin (sp?) - I can't believe I just didn';t buy > this w/o thinking, but I've been spending a lot on CDs lately, so I'ld > like some opinions before plopping down the $25. > > Man, is the new Brock disc great! > Ah - well you should like Yassassim I'd guess. Certainly my feeling is that it's definitely superior to Brock's venture! Basically it's Simon House goes symphonic - or at least into extensive multi-layer mode. As I said previously, I feel his themes aren't always lyrically powerful enough to do the lavish background of sound justice - as a full-blown composer he's maybe just starting out - but I like it. I'd welcome other comments tho'! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Thu Sep 21 13:30:27 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:30:27 -0400 Subject: BOC CDs, was Re: BOC We gotta get out... In-Reply-To: <9509211405.0dab@bpalace.com> from "Joseph Brooks" at Sep 21, 95 06:05:47 am Message-ID: > I may be in a vast minority on this but... for certain types of music, I > prefer vinyl over CD. Sometimes CD is just *too* clean, too steril sounding. > Sometimes the muddier sound of vinyl (if said vinyl is in good shape and on a > decent system) is better to my ears, especially for 'raunchy' rock n roll or > old blues etc. There are lots of people who think that, and many of them are in the analog master tapes camp (as opposed to the digital camp). This "sensation" of analog is mostly due to natural compression in the medium and a certain amount of pink noise (or is it white noise)? IMHO, the "sterility" found in some digital recordings is nothing that couldn't be avoided if it was mixed properly. Many analog recordings get very little review when they are dumped to digital media, and many sound engineers today haven't gotten used to working with digital equipment (which is not to say that there aren't many excellent digital enginneers). The Brain Surgeon's recordings are, I believe, all digital but don't sound too sterile to me! (This is because they know what they are doing). You can still get _warmth_ with digital _and_ the extra clarity the medium brings. I've got a couple of all digital classical CDs which are pretty stunning, sound-wise. Cheers, Carl From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 21 18:23:15 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 18:23:15 BST Subject: New releases In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Thu, 21 Sep 1995 11:42:58 EST Message-ID: > Speaking of more opinions on the new HW stuff, there have been a > LOT of new CDs coming out, in both the US and UK lately. > > For example, current or upcoming UK releases include: > - HW "Alien" (+ CD-single also available) I did a hunt for the CD single today - ended up with one android-person telling me to look under "New Releases" (I'd just done that) and then that "there's a back-catalogue behind them" (I wasn't looking for a back catalogue....) so I gave up there. HMV told me however that the Hawkwind was due for release next Monday. Couldn't decide, and couldn't be bothered to argue whether they were looking up the single info or the album but I reckoned it didn't matter much since nothing seems to be around the shops yet so I guess it'll be next week before anything emerges. > - Spiral Realms "Crystal Jungles of Eos" If anybody sees this in the States could they pick it up for me. Please! I'll pay by Money Order or can look out UK CDs for a trade if that's easier. cheers jill > and a complaint about > "PinkWind" (forgot who) a complaint I must agree with unfortunately! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Thu Sep 21 14:44:54 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:44:54 EST Subject: HW: Help a poor dj... Message-ID: During my college radio show today, I noticed that we had the Palace Springs CD in our collection. I had heard good things about this disk, but have no means of previewing it. I randomly chose to play "Back in the Box", which was well done. I'm curious as to which tracks are the best (in a spacy-yet-hard-driving sense). Does the PS version of Damnation Alley do the original justice? Thanks for any input, Brian From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Thu Sep 21 14:49:52 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:49:52 EST Subject: Off topic: Jethro Tull Message-ID: Has anyone heard the new Tull album? Could someone post a review? I'm isolated at school and probably won't be able to purchase it for a couple of weeks. Thanks, Brian From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Sep 21 14:19:41 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:19:41 -0400 Subject: HW: Help a poor dj... Message-ID: >in the Box", which was well done. I'm curious as to which tracks are >the best (in a spacy-yet-hard-driving sense). Does the PS version of The version of Asssault and Battery/Golden Void is one of the best ever IMO Martyn From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Thu Sep 21 14:56:41 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:56:41 -0400 Subject: HW: Help a poor dj... In-Reply-To: <00996BB0.E5D9C240.212@bigvax.alfred.edu> from "BRIAN HALLIGAN" at Sep 21, 95 01:44:54 pm Message-ID: > During my college radio show today, I noticed that we had the Palace > Springs CD in our collection. I had heard good things about this disk, > but have no means of previewing it. I randomly chose to play "Back > in the Box", which was well done. I'm curious as to which tracks are > the best (in a spacy-yet-hard-driving sense). Does the PS version of > Damnation Alley do the original justice? I like nearly everything on PS (tho I find "Acid Test" a bit tedious). "Assault & Battery/Golden Void" on PS is about my favorite HW track ever (tho it might be a bit long for radio ...). Carl From EQDOMAIN.EQSHW.BLAUCHNO at EMAIL.STATE.UT.US Thu Sep 21 16:30:31 1995 From: EQDOMAIN.EQSHW.BLAUCHNO at EMAIL.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:30:31 -0600 Subject: Godzilla to rot your mind Message-ID: Just heard a little radio promo for a local talk radio station. It started with the opening to "Godzilla", after a few seconds of thump, thump, thump of the drum and the beginning guitar then the announcer says (over the music) "Your mother was right- Listening to all that loud music WILL rot your brain." Kinda funny and definitely tongue-in-cheek. Brad Brad Lauchnor blauchno at email.state.ut.us Environmental Engineer (801) 538-9403 Chemical Demilitarization Salt Lake City, Utah Utah Department of Environmental Quality From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Thu Sep 21 18:49:33 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 17:49:33 EST Subject: HW: Help a poor dj... Message-ID: >>in the Box", which was well done. I'm curious as to which tracks are >>the best (in a spacy-yet-hard-driving sense). Does the PS version of > The version of Asssault and Battery/Golden Void is one >of the best ever IMO >Martyn Thanks Martyn and Carl. The length dosen't bother me. I'll just sandwich it between the Ramones' "Psychotherapy" and Budgie's "Crash Course in Brain Surgery". That should even out the timing a little. I find Hawkwind the perfect compliment to almost any kind of music- even the Ramones. ttfn, Brian From Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK Thu Sep 21 18:47:44 1995 From: Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK (Norman Beresford) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:47:44 +0100 Subject: New releases Message-ID: HMV told me however that the >Hawkwind was due for release next Monday. Couldn't decide, and couldn't >be bothered to argue whether they were looking up the single info or the >album but I reckoned it didn't matter much since nothing seems to be >around the shops yet so I guess it'll be next week before anything >emerges. I was in HMV (West London) two days ago and asked them about it. They looked it up and had it as definatly released but the shop hadn't ordered any copies. They offered to order it for Friday but I'm broke till Sat. after which point I'll be back at uni with a couple of branches of the ever helpful MLM just a short bus ride away. Norman From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 21 23:49:46 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:49:46 BST Subject: HW: Help a poor dj... In-Reply-To: BRIAN HALLIGAN's message of Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:44:54 EST Message-ID: BRIAN HALLIGAN writes: > During my college radio show today, I noticed that we had the Palace > Springs CD in our collection. I had heard good things about this disk, > but have no means of previewing it. I randomly chose to play "Back > in the Box", which was well done. I'm curious as to which tracks are > the best (in a spacy-yet-hard-driving sense). Does the PS version of > Damnation Alley do the original justice? 1991 Palace Springs (GWR) (live) Back in the Box (Hawkwind '89) Treadmill (Brock) Void of Golden Light (Brock) Lives of Great Men (Brock) Time We Left (Brock) Heads (Brock/Neil) Acid Test (Bainbridge) Damnation Alley Yep. Damnation Alley is pretty good as is Void of Golden Light. Chack out Treadmill for the great guitar intro too. FoFP From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 21 19:17:18 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 19:17:18 -0400 Subject: DIY Trepanation Revisited Message-ID: Thank you for this invaluable info! --DF From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Thu Sep 21 19:55:40 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 19:55:40 -0400 Subject: HW: Help a poor dj... In-Reply-To: <00996BD3.1312C8C0.78@bigvax.alfred.edu> from "BRIAN HALLIGAN" at Sep 21, 95 05:49:33 pm Message-ID: > I find Hawkwind the perfect compliment to almost any kind of music- > even the Ramones. I believe it was Dave Wyndorf (of Monster Magnet) who said that Hawkwind's songs were basically like Ramones songs except that they were 20 minutes long and had audio generators :) (and for good or for ill, I'm sure he meant that as a positive comment--as would I :) Cheers, Carl From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Thu Sep 21 19:57:35 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 19:57:35 -0400 Subject: New releases (OFF TOPIC) In-Reply-To: <199509212247.XAA08948@earth.ftech.co.uk> from "Norman Beresford" at Sep 21, 95 11:47:44 pm Message-ID: Speaking of new releases have any of the UK folk heard the new Sundial album _Bad Drug_? Is their _Return Journey_ CD still available over there? Cheers, Carl From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Thu Sep 21 22:34:46 1995 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:34:46 CDT Subject: New releases (OFF TOPIC) In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 21 Sep 1995 19:57:35 -0400 from Message-ID: > Speaking of new releases have any of the UK folk heard the new >Sundial album _Bad Drug_? Is their _Return Journey_ CD still available >over there? Carl, tell me more about RJ, is it psychedelic like _Way Out_ or more polished and alternative like _Reflector_?? Thanks Doug obCD:Reflector,Sundail (totally awsome) From bedens at INTELLINET.COM Thu Sep 21 23:21:13 1995 From: bedens at INTELLINET.COM (Bert Edens) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 22:21:13 -0500 Subject: DIY Trepanation Revisited Message-ID: At 07:17 PM 9/21/95 -0400, you wrote: >Thank you for this invaluable info! >--DF Invaluable? Good invaluable, or bad invaluable? :) Gotta admit, you're dying to hear what Black and Decker says back... :) - Bert ============================================= Bert Edens - bedens at intellinet.com http://www.intellinet.com/~bedens/home.html ObCD: Brain Surgeons, "Trepanation" ============================================= From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Thu Sep 21 22:53:16 1995 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:53:16 CDT Subject: More opinions wanted Message-ID: Hi Captain, long time no see. For me Mike Lloyd Music is the best source for new Hawkwind/Brock releases. I just call them, ask for Andy and give him my credit card number and orders. Whats great is to preorder a release and whenever it comes out they place it in the mail the same day they get it. I got the White Zone just as the reviews came in from the UK fans. :-) It nice to get on their mailing list too. I'm sure you've notice that Emergency Broadcast System releases are VERY expensive as imports here in the US. So you might pay about the same if you wait to find it locally, not to mention waiting for a month or so. Is it me or does it seem that Griffin may be a while on getting the new ones out? Perhaps the remastering and "Box Set" is still in production. :-$ Also I've heard an officially sanctioned HW mail order bussiness will soon open up in Clevland and will strive for competitive pricing. Doug refurbish a bus and they will come Ode to an American Hawkfan From b_pospiech at SHAMROCK.PING.DE Thu Sep 21 15:13:00 1995 From: b_pospiech at SHAMROCK.PING.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 18:13:00 -0100 Subject: HAWKWIND CD video Message-ID: Hi folks Received today a very special HAWKWIND CD called THE CHRONICLE OF THE BLACK SWORD. It is a digital stereo video CD from the Hammersmith gig on 03/04 December 1985. The length is about 70 minutes. Playable with CDI and MPEG players Here is the track listing: - song of the swords - sea king - master of the universe - choose your masks - needle gun - zarozinia - lords of chaos - brainstorm - moonglum - the enchanter - magnu - horn of destiny - coded languages - born to go - utopia - levitation You can get it for 10,21 Pounds from: VISIONARY P.O. BOX 30 ST.ANNES LYTHAM FY8 1RF ENGLAND TEL: 01253 712453 FAX: 01253 712462 E-MAIL: king at visicom.demon.co.uk HTTP://www.state51.co.uk./visionary/ cu Bernhard b_pospiech at shamrock.ping.de From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Sep 22 09:38:27 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:38:27 BST Subject: HW: Help a poor dj... In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Thu, 21 Sep 1995 23:49:46 BST Message-ID: > Void of Golden Light (Brock) > Lives of Great Men (Brock) Note that these are listed in the wrong order (both here and on the CD!). FWIW, I used Void of Golden Light as one of my test tracks when I bought a new hi-fi earlier this year. I wanted a system that gave a sense of space plus the guts from the guitar. Dave. From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Sep 22 09:42:00 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:42:00 BST Subject: HW: Help a poor dj... Message-ID: > > >in the Box", which was well done. I'm curious as to which tracks are > >the best (in a spacy-yet-hard-driving sense). Does the PS version of > The version of Asssault and Battery/Golden Void is one > of the best ever IMO > > Martyn > You must play Lives of Great Men...it is the best version of any song that HW have ever done (imho). cheers - Rob From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 22 10:35:25 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 10:35:25 BST Subject: HAWKWIND CD video In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 21 Sep 1995 18:13:00 -0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi folks > > Received today a very special HAWKWIND CD called THE CHRONICLE OF THE > BLACK SWORD. > > It is a digital stereo video CD from the > Hammersmith gig on 03/04 December 1985. > > The length is about 70 minutes. > > Playable with CDI and MPEG players > > Here is the track listing: > > - song of the swords > - sea king > - master of the universe > - choose your masks > - needle gun > - zarozinia > - lords of chaos * > - brainstorm > - moonglum > - the enchanter > - magnu > - horn of destiny > - coded languages * > - born to go * > - utopia * > - levitation * I notice that the asterisked tracks weren't on the VHS video. I don't suppose they've got the extra tracks out on a normal video tape? FoFP > You can get it for 10,21 Pounds from: > > VISIONARY > P.O. BOX 30 > ST.ANNES > LYTHAM FY8 1RF > ENGLAND > > TEL: 01253 712453 > FAX: 01253 712462 > E-MAIL: king at visicom.demon.co.uk > HTTP://www.state51.co.uk./visionary/ > > > > > cu > Bernhard > b_pospiech at shamrock.ping.de From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Fri Sep 22 10:13:00 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 14:13:00 +0000 Subject: hello again Message-ID: i am back, but did not choose now etc etc couple of points: my new local hmv (derby) inform me that area s4 will be out on the 25th - i've ordered a copy so when it does appear it will appear (or something) jill, you've sold me on yassassim, but dyk if it's on vinyl? (yeah, i'm snap, crackle & pop fan m'sen) mike, cash is now in the post. and, ObQuote (sounding v.familiar-and people say hw recycle stuff?): "'Erekose,' said King Rigenos. 'You who by the power of your eternal will made yourself into flesh again and came to us at this time of need, you will be the power with which we shall destroy the Eldren. You will be Humanity's scythe to sweep this way and that and cut the Eldren down as weeds. You will be Humanity's spade to dig up the roots wherever they have grown. You will be Humanity's fire to burn the waste to the finest ash. You, Erekose, will be the wind that will blow those ashes away as if they nevr existed! You will destroy the Eldren!'" MM, eternal champion 1970 ObHeresy: during whatever track it is on Warrior... where whomever is calling "champion...champion" am i the only one waiting for "...the wonder horse" ? From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Sep 22 09:41:30 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:41:30 -0400 Subject: New releases Message-ID: >after which point I'll be back at uni with a couple of branches of the ever >helpful MLM just a short bus ride away. > >Norman 'scuse me guvna, wots an MLM? Martyn From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Sep 22 09:46:15 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:46:15 -0400 Subject: New releases (OFF TOPIC) In-Reply-To: <199509220249.WAA27800@listserv.spc.edu> from "Doug" at Sep 21, 95 09:34:46 pm Message-ID: > Carl, tell me more about RJ, is it psychedelic like _Way Out_ or more > polished and alternative like _Reflector_?? Thanks _Return Journey_ is composed of outtakes from the sessions for the first album, I believe, and is pretty psychedelic and not nearly as restrained as, well, the only other CD from them I'm familiar with is _Libertine_. I've been listening to Scott Heller's taped copy of _Return Journey_ and it is a *must-have* on CD. I went out and bought a fuzz-box because of this ;) Cheers, Carl From Mitch.Goldman at TURNER.COM Fri Sep 22 09:20:19 1995 From: Mitch.Goldman at TURNER.COM (Mitch.Goldman at TURNER.COM) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:20:19 -0400 Subject: Off topic: Jethro Tull Message-ID: Has anyone heard the new Tull album? Could someone post a review? I'm isolated at school and probably won't be able to purchase it for a couple of weeks. Thanks, Brian _____________________________________________________________________________ Brian... I don't have the cd with me, so it's hard to do a detailed review. I will say that as a long time Tull fan, I find ROOTS TO BRANCES to be their best lp since STORMWATCH in 1979. Most of the songs have that "progressive" edge that's been missing from the last few years. Lots of different musical touchstones appear..."Rare and Precious Chain" has a middle-eastern feel, "Wounded Old and Treacherous" is Zappa-like, and *all* the songs have a real edgy Martin Barre guitar presence that's very satisfying. Ian's acoustic guitar playing is excellent, and there's probably more flute playing than on any lp since HEAVY HORSES. Additionally, the keyboards sounds are great...they've abandoned any "synth" textures in favor of prog-rock organ and piano. Several of the pieces are seven minutes or longer, lending themselves to a progressive, operatic feel. Overall, it's an excellent album. If you've been turned off of Tull by CATFISH RISING, now's the time to check back in with them... Mitch From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Sep 22 09:50:31 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:50:31 -0400 Subject: HW: Help a poor dj... Message-ID: >FWIW, I used Void of Golden Light as one of my test tracks when I bought >a new hi-fi earlier this year. I wanted a system that gave a sense of >space plus the guts from the guitar. > >Dave. A while back, I used the climax part of void as a background on my answering machine message. I posted about this and a few list members actually called up and left messages although they didn't say who they were Martyn From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Fri Sep 22 09:52:10 1995 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:52:10 -0400 Subject: HAWKWIND CD video Message-ID: > > Bernhard Pospiech writes: > > > Hi folks > > > > Received today a very special HAWKWIND CD called THE CHRONICLE OF THE > > BLACK SWORD. > > > > It is a digital stereo video CD from the > > Hammersmith gig on 03/04 December 1985. Didn't mention anything about laserdisc either did they Bernhard ? Cheers, Steve L. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Sep 22 09:51:42 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:51:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Help a poor dj... Message-ID: > You must play Lives of Great Men...it is the best version of any > song that HW have ever done (imho). > >cheers - Rob Lives of Great Men = Assault and Battery right? Martyn From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Sep 22 15:03:45 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 15:03:45 BST Subject: HW: Help a poor dj... Message-ID: > > Lives of Great Men = Assault and Battery right? > > Martyn > Yep, but much much much better. cheerio - Rob (who is still waiting for them to hear them play this version live) From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Sep 22 11:25:51 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 10:25:51 -0500 Subject: new releases (OFF TOPIC) Message-ID: From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU >> Carl, tell me more about RJ, is it psychedelic like _Way Out_ or more >> polished and alternative like _Reflector_?? Thanks > _Return Journey_ is composed of outtakes from the sessions for > the first album "Other Way Out" > ..._Return Journey_ and it is a *must-have* on > CD. I went out and bought a fuzz-box because of this ;) > >Cheers, >Carl Seems to me I saw "Return Journey" listed in The Laser's Edge catalog last Winter 1995. Perhaps you can still get it from Ken Golden/Laser's Edge at lasercd at aol.com, or (609) 751 - 6444. I've been thinking about ordering it myself, anyone who contacts Ken feel free to let me know if it is still in stock. Ken also slags Sundial's third album (name not mentioned -- possibly this is "Reflector" ?) as being "..much too polished", if that is a comparison for those who may have heard it. BTW Sundial "Other Way Out" is outstanding early-seventies-style psychedelic, fuzzy, noisy space rock. Recommended. Captain Cloud From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Sep 22 12:00:21 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 12:00:21 -0400 Subject: More opinions wanted In-Reply-To: <199509220335.XAA28144@listserv.spc.edu> from "Doug" at Sep 21, 95 09:53:16 pm Message-ID: > Is it me or does it seem that Griffin may be a while on getting the new > ones out? Perhaps the remastering and "Box Set" is still in production. :-$ I have heard that the delays that Griffin experiences are mostly due to delays in Doug Smith sending them the masters to cut the CDs from! Knowing the generally sloppiness of HW's operation, I can well believe it. Cheers, Carl From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Fri Sep 22 12:59:58 1995 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas B. Pearson) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 09:59:58 -0700 Subject: new releases (OFF TOPIC) Message-ID: Capt. Cloud wrote about the Sun Dial: > Seems to me I saw "Return Journey" listed in The Laser's Edge > catalog last Winter 1995. Perhaps you can still get it from Ken > Golden/Laser's Edge at lasercd at aol.com, or (609) 751 - 6444. I've > been thinking about ordering it myself, anyone who contacts Ken > feel free to let me know if it is still in stock. > > Ken also slags Sundial's third album (name not mentioned -- > possibly this is "Reflector" ?) as being "..much too polished", if > that is a comparison for those who may have heard it. Yeah, I've yet to see a modern English psych band (with the exception of Bevis Frond & Spacemen 3) that doesn't suck after a few records. Witness the likes of the Shamen & the Telescopes. But I'm kinda picky - I even thought that 'Reflector' was a big step down, with the exception of the two songs that had already been released in different form ("Mind Train" and one other). And I was very disappointed with the EP that came out right after 'Reflector'. > BTW Sundial "Other Way Out" is outstanding early-seventies-style > psychedelic, fuzzy, noisy space rock. Recommended. Make that HIGHLY recommended. Anyone else on the list got a gatefold vinyl copy? -Doug ceres at sirius.com ObCD: Moby Grape From RBONEY at UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Fri Sep 22 13:06:16 1995 From: RBONEY at UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (Robert Boney) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 13:06:16 EDT Subject: Unsubscribe Message-ID: Unsubscirbe me From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Sep 22 18:26:30 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 18:26:30 BST Subject: hello again In-Reply-To: Yuri Gagarin's message of Fri, 22 Sep 1995 14:13:00 +0000 Message-ID: > couple of points: my new local hmv (derby) inform me that area s4 > will be out on the 25th - i've ordered a copy so when it does appear > it will appear (or something) > and will promptly disappear - or not having appeared it will disappear without appearing but it may yet appear without having appeared to, at which point its disappearance will be subject to its apparent appearance and it will appear to apparently disappear...... ummmm - oops Back to our regular programme > jill, you've sold me on yassassim, but dyk if it's on vinyl? (yeah, > i'm snap, crackle & pop fan m'sen) > nope, sorry, I don't think it does I'm afraid - tho' I could check with Mike Lloyd Music next time I'm in touch. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Sep 22 14:17:44 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 14:17:44 -0400 Subject: new releases (OFF TOPIC) In-Reply-To: <9509221659.AA10441@SIRIUS.COM> from "Douglas B. Pearson" at Sep 22, 95 09:59:58 am Message-ID: Regardless of whether or not Sundial sucked on _Reflector_, has anybody heard their *new* album _Bad Drug_? I've heard it was supposed to be a return to their older form (heavy, fuzzed out psych) but haven't wanted to drop the 28 bucks for an import copy in Boston (especially when I'm about to move to England!). Cheers, Carl From abrevard at SHL.COM Fri Sep 22 18:11:00 1995 From: abrevard at SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 15:11:00 PDT Subject: Hello Everybody Message-ID: Its good to be back; life just isn't the same when you don't get your BOC/HW mail-threads on a daily basis. The work on the directory continues and I apologize for the delay, unfortunately I am one of the few people in the world that does not own a home computer, and home is where I have been working lately. The first thing I will put out is a listing of missing relevant information from the directory. This would be real name, e-mail address, age , Primary Band (HW or BOC). When you see your name in any of these categories please provide me with the information. As soon as the majority has been submitted I will publish the full set or responses and the short form which only includes name, handle, e-mail adress and primary band. Please inform me if you cannot access a generic ascii file or MS Word for Windows. On topic I notice Sony on-line is now showing a Sept. 26 release date for WOTT, anyone have any newer information? Five in the CD player lately Frank Marino and Mahogeny Rush - Double Live BOC - OYFOOYK Rainbow - On Stage Triumph - Stages Rush - All the Worlds A Stage PS - Is there another AB out there? Before I stopped receiving mail someone signed as AB and the post was not mine. In addition, today I saw some qoutes attributed to ab> on a posting that was not mine. If there is another AB can we talk? Don't want you to get accidently flamed for being off topic or a mega poster. A(Buck Dharma)B From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Sep 22 16:54:36 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 16:54:36 -0400 Subject: New releases (OFF TOPIC) In-Reply-To: <199509220249.WAA27800@listserv.spc.edu> from "Doug" at Sep 21, 95 09:34:46 pm Message-ID: And to get back to another of my original Sundial questions: is _Return Journey_ (and _Other Way Out_) still available in England? I mean, I could order from Laser's Edge, but they are US-based and I will very shortly not be ... Cheers, Carl From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Sep 22 16:59:29 1995 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 15:59:29 -0500 Subject: King Crimson (OFF TOPIC) In-Reply-To: <306335BD@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: For those of you who are in the Dallas/Ft.Worth metroplex, this is important... otherwise, I apologize for the waste of your time... King Crimson tickets for Will Rogers Auditorium in Ft. Worth Oct. 31 are in fact on sale, but they are only being sold at RPM Records in Dallas and one other place in Ft. Worth (probably the venue itself). The cost is $26 each, cash only for all tickets... I got 7th row center! :) :) I actually haven't seen the event advertised anywhere else, so I thought I might do some myself. If you have any ?'s, comments, please reply via private e-mail so as to avoid more off-topic clutter here on BOC-L. Damon Capehart | "I miss you, but I haven't met you yet." -- Bjork dcapehar at utdallas.edu From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Sep 22 17:52:40 1995 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 16:52:40 -0500 Subject: The Cyberspace Conspiracy Message-ID: I came across this article in rec.music.collecting.vinyl and thought I would pass it along. I don't have any affiliation with these guys or know anything about them, so buyer beware. Frank ----------------------------------------------- From: Ande Tucker Newsgroups: rec.music.collecting.vinyl Subject: Hawkwind - The Cyberspace Conspiracy LP - For Sale Date: 19 Sep 1995 22:51:29 GMT Organization: Force Majeure The Cyberspace Conspiracy --- $10 (+ S&H) Recorded live at Rock City in Nottingham on May 18th 1990 1) Assault & Battery 2) The Golden Void 3) Out Of The Shadows 4) Snake Dance 5) Utopia 6) Ejection 7) Damnation Alley 8) Wind Of Change A numbered limited edition of 250 vinyl albums. ----------------------------------------------- SHIPPING & HANDLING: In the US - $4 for the first item and $2 each extra item. All packages sent insured. Outside the US - Please enquire for your postage costs on your order. ----------------------------------------------- PAYMENT: Money Order in $US, personal check in $US (please allow time to clear) & Internation Money Order in $US. Do not send cash. ----------------------------------------------- Email: a_tucker at deltanet.com Ande Tucker. P.O. Box 5593, Huntington Beach, California, 92615, U.S.A. ----------------------------------------------- -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (708) 576-3110 | fax: (708) 576-3240 I think people tend to forget that trees are living creatures. They're sort of like dogs. Huge, quiet, motionless dogs, with bark instead of fur. -- Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey [SNL] From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 22 18:13:46 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 18:13:46 -0400 Subject: More opinions wanted Message-ID: I am ready to order many of these immediately, if I only knew who to call.. :-( capt. cloud...you can get any of these from any number of mail order companies.expect to pay 20-25$. From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 22 18:23:53 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 18:23:53 -0400 Subject: New releases (OFF TOPIC) Message-ID: carl, you said >. Speaking of new releases have any of the UK folk heard the new Sundial album _Bad Drug_? Is their _Return Journey_ CD still available over there?< the new album is actually called ACID YANTRA,and imho, is the best from sundial since their first.return journey is extremely cool as well... rjpxr5 From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Sep 22 19:29:57 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 19:29:57 -0400 Subject: Workshop of the Telescopes Message-ID: w/ a release date of September 26...here's what Eric Bloom has been saying on the AOL Board.... Subj: Re:Workshop Of The Telescopes Date: 95-09-19 17:51:40 EDT From: OYSTRBOY Well.....I have Workshop of the Telescopes right here ...just got it 2 days ago while i was away in Tennessee cruising past Dollywood. There are 2 Cd's, with 15 songs on one and 17 songs on the other. With Steve Schenck's and Bolle's help, a lot of BOC memorabilia was used to create a very nice booklet, with old tour passes, stickers, etc. Old friend Arthur Levy wrote a fairly concise history/liner notes and Mike Watt is quoted. Some pretty neat old photos, as well. Also, the discs themselves have some boc artwork on them...all in all, Sony did a very good job..hope everyone likes it Subj: Good Move on Columbia/Legacy Date: 95-09-20 23:31:24 EDT From: OYSTRBOY It appears Sony/Columbia/Legacy is seriously going to promote "Workshop of the Telescopes", for which we are very happy. A ten city campaign will begin on classic rock stations, a lot of cyber activity as well, promoting the boc web sites, and bocfanclub at aol.com. A special i guess u would call it "collectible" mailing will be sent to all fan club members from Legacy and to fan club members only. Not sure what it will contain. i have been informed that it says in some magazine that we intend to "tour" this Fall to promote the 2 cd set...as i recall , we are OTF...including Europe, which will begin on the last weekend of October...guess we will have to celebrate Halloween over there this year. Alot of you are asking about John O`Reilly, our new drummer..he is doing great and a pleasure to play with...Danny "The Law" Miranda is kicking ass on bass. So , this weekend we are off to State College PA, Ok City and Little Rock...see youz From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Fri Sep 22 18:13:19 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 18:13:19 -0400 Subject: BOC CDs, was Re: BOC We gotta get out... Message-ID: > > Sometimes the muddier sound of vinyl (if said vinyl is in good shape > > and on a decent system) is better to my ears, especially for > > 'raunchy' rock n roll or old blues etc. 45s sound better than LPs too. Higher signal level is why. > There are lots of people who think that, and many of them are > in the analog master tapes camp (as opposed to the digital camp). > This "sensation" of analog is mostly due to natural compression in the > medium and a certain amount of pink noise (or is it white noise)? Analog tapes produce this compression effect but vinyl records do not. > The Brain Surgeon's recordings are, I believe, all digital > but don't sound too sterile to me! (This is because they know what Actually TBS CDs are rcorded digitally, mixed digitally with digital signal processors and then mastered analog through high quality tube preamps, tube equalizers and tube compressors and then back to digital (I prefer using the 48k sample rate for recording and CDs are 44.1K). > they are doing). You can still get _warmth_ with digital _and_ the > extra clarity the medium brings. I've got a couple of all > digital classical CDs which are pretty stunning, sound-wise. As an artist I much prefer digital. It is much more convienent, sometimes sounds better, is less expensive, more reliable and flexible to work with. Digital signal processors were used on many BOC albums, even BFY had an early Lexicon reverb and Eventide processors on it. As a consumer I also perfer CDs to vinyl. I like being able to skip tracks and CDs take up less space (with a record collection of over 5k [records] it's an issue). I can't really say if the sound is worse. There's good and bad sounding things but I think it has more to do with the content than raw sound. I've yet to A/B the same recordings but maybe when I get WOTT I'll try it. Al From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 23 09:13:59 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 09:13:59 -0400 Subject: new releases (OFF TOPIC) Message-ID: capt. cloud said:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken also slags Sundial's third album (name not mentioned -- possibly this is "Reflector" ?) as being "..much too polished", if that is a comparison for those who may have heard it.<<<<<<< if he said third,then he meant libertine.this album is different by far from other sundial. reflector is pretty polished,tho'.libertine kicks ass as rock,butas a whole not psychedelic.it has its moments. again,their new one ACID YANTRA, is easily their best since their first,some may even say better.highly recommended. the line up of sundial changes as frequently as hw,with gary ramon being the only constant.this explains the varied sound. rjpxr5 From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 23 09:14:01 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 09:14:01 -0400 Subject: The Cyberspace Conspiracy Message-ID: frank said...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I came across this article in rec.music.collecting.vinyl and thought I would pass it along. I don't have any affiliation with these guys or know anything about them, so buyer beware. Frank ----------------------------------------------- From: Ande Tucker Newsgroups: rec.music.collecting.vinyl Subject: Hawkwind - The Cyberspace Conspiracy LP - For Sale Date: 19 Sep 1995 22:51:29 GMT Organization: Force Majeure The Cyberspace Conspiracy --- $10 (+ S&H) Recorded live at Rock City in Nottingha<<<<<<<<<<< i have ordered from ande, and while he may be a LITTLE slow, i was happy with the deal. i'll vouch for him, whatever that's worth... rjpxr5 From b_pospiech at SHAMROCK.PING.DE Sat Sep 23 01:39:00 1995 From: b_pospiech at SHAMROCK.PING.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 07:39:00 +0200 Subject: HW video CD Message-ID: Hi Stephen and Mike The video CD looks like a normal audio CD. It has the same dimensions. The cover says that the encore is for the first time published cu Bernhard b_pospiech at shamrock.ping.de From mccann at AIX1.UCOK.EDU Sat Sep 23 22:51:27 1995 From: mccann at AIX1.UCOK.EDU (Lester I. McCann) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 21:51:27 -0500 Subject: BOC: 9/23 show in OKC Message-ID: Just got home from the show. The last time I saw them in Oklahoma City was three years ago in a bar; this time they played outside at Frontier City (a western-theme amusement park) with Nazareth opening for them. They got started at 6:30 (no choice; the park closes a 8 on Saturdays this time of year). Here's the set list: Stairway to the Stars Dr. Music O.D.ed on Life E.T.I. Before the Kiss I'd Like to See You in Black Take Me Away Cities on Flame In Thee (w/ Allen on acoustic guitar) ME262 Burnin' For You Godzilla Reaper Encore: D&S Red & Black That took them right to 8. Eric and Buck came out afterwards for a few seconds to sign autographs, but we got shooed away by security before they could sign more than a couple. I'm not sure who to blame for the limited opportunity, but it was frustrating to be that close to getting one and miss out. Still, it was a great show; I thought this Reaper was the best I'd heard live (this was my 6th BOC concert). Here's hoping that I don't have to wait three more years for #7! --lester P.S. The Obligatory Next Album Date: "Sometime next year," Eric said. (Of course, the box set got mentioned several times.) From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Sep 24 04:29:45 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 09:29:45 +0100 Subject: HW: The Cyberspace Conspiracy Message-ID: >I came across this article in rec.music.collecting.vinyl and thought I >would pass it along. I don't have any affiliation with these guys or >know anything about them, so buyer beware. > >Frank > >----------------------------------------------- >From: Ande Tucker >Newsgroups: rec.music.collecting.vinyl >Subject: Hawkwind - The Cyberspace Conspiracy LP - For Sale >Date: 19 Sep 1995 22:51:29 GMT >Organization: Force Majeure > >The Cyberspace Conspiracy --- $10 (+ S&H) > >Recorded live at Rock City in Nottingham on May 18th 1990 > >[...] 1) he used to take $13 for this item 2) I bought records from him in July - and there was no problems at all... 3) If you take a look at the back cover of your LLG _Night Air_, you'll see it's Ande who's responsible for the art works. 4) I got a spare copy of this item, along with the _Golden Void_ boot, if there's someone who's interested. \\joe From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Sep 24 04:29:49 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 09:29:49 +0100 Subject: HW: the weird tapes Message-ID: hi, I'm right now into a serious sequence of listening through the Weird Tapes, which I've bought just a few weeks ago. I'm quite surprised with the good overall sound quality, I'd listen to the _Watchfield & Stonehenge_ boot - which is a boot of Weird 103 - and that was Bootleg Quality. The Weird 103 sounded much better. The other live recordings is pretty good too. I'm also happy with the tape covers... now some questions: 1) does someone knows the story behind the - eh, pretty different - 'Slap it on de Table' on just mentioned Weird 103 / W&S boot? (is it a studio freak out?, it don't sounds too live to me...) 2) does someone know the release month of the Weird Tapes. This is all I know (from BOC-l archive): 1980 Weird 101 - Sonic Assassins/ Dave Brock 1980 Weird 102 - Hawkwind (live) / Hawklords 1980 Weird 103 - Hawkwind (Free Festivals) 1981 Weird 104 - Hawklords Live =B478 1981 Weird 105A - Hawkwind 1976-77-78 (the withdrawn tape) 1981 Weird 105B - Hawkwind 1976/7 1982 Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 1982 Weird 107 - Dave Brock 1983 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 \\joe who's just had the Sunday Breakfast with my Family - tea, toast and weird 105 ;^) From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Sun Sep 24 11:35:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 10:35:00 -0500 Subject: BOC: 9/23 show in OKC Message-ID: WARNING!!! OFF TOPIC!!!! Lester saw BOC live and then told us..... -> Just got home from the show. The last time I saw them in Oklahoma -> City was three years ago in a bar; this time they played outside at -> Frontier City (a western-theme amusement park) with Nazareth opening -> for them. Now I know this is off topic as hell, but I've got to know what Nazareth was like. They are, and always have been, one of my top- 5 bands. Seems like BOC played the usual set, no surprises there. What did Naz play? I've never had a chance to see them live so please don't tell me they sucked canal water! If you think other boc-listers might be interested, then reply to the list. Or you can reply personally if you like. The choice be yours! "Headin' out to Eden. yeaaaaaaaaaah Brother." Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Sep 24 16:04:28 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 21:04:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Lemmy Tracks? Message-ID: hi, I'm going to swap a tape with some Sabbath covers with a Sabbath fanatic. As I won't fill up a half C-90 with covers he doesn't have, he assumed I tape down HW with Lemmy on the other side. He's also a Motorhead fan, but haven't heard anything pre Motorhead, and no Hawkwind at all. The tune which immediately came on my mind - beside the obvius 'Watcher', 'Lost Johnny' and 'Motorhead' was the Bass Freak Out version of 'Time We Left' on _Space Ritual II_. Also one or two tracks from Sam Gopal/Escalator will hit this tape. Is there any other suggestions where Lemmy is at his best? \\joe From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Sep 24 16:42:46 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 16:42:46 -0400 Subject: HW: Lemmy Tracks? Message-ID: Is there any other suggestions where Lemmy is at his best? \\joe sam gopal-escalator! rj From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sun Sep 24 18:07:54 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 17:07:54 -0500 Subject: HW: the weird tapes In-Reply-To: <9509240829.AB00519@sonor> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Sep 1995, Johan Edlundh wrote: > now some questions: > > 2) does someone know the release month of the Weird Tapes. This is all I > know (from BOC-l archive): > > 1981 Weird 105A - Hawkwind 1976-77-78 (the withdrawn tape) > 1981 Weird 105B - Hawkwind 1976/7 What's the story behind this withdrawl of tape 105A? I'm unfamiliar with it, and was unaware that there were different versions. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Sep 24 22:13:56 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 22:13:56 -0400 Subject: HW: Lemmy Tracks? Message-ID: For a Lemmy fanatic, I'd try to also include "Silver Machine", "Lord Of Light", "Space Is Deep" (from SR) and "Brainbox Pollution", for starters. Maybe "Psychedelic Warlords" or "You'd Better Believe It". Chuck From irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU Sun Sep 24 23:49:14 1995 From: irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 22:49:14 -0500 Subject: BOC: 3 CD Set "Tyranny & Mutation" ???? Message-ID: Okay just ran across something very bizarre and potentially exciting: Whilst putting in an order for "Workshop of Telescopes" at the CDNOW web site, they had the following listing for a new BOC cd : Blue Oyster Cult - Tyranny & Mutation 3 CD SET Sony 7464 64806 2 New Release (Date not available) Check it out under the heading "Not Available" (yet) in the BOC directory at CDNOW if you have access. Is this some mistake? Anyone know about this? Are we to be blessed with a real box set so soon? -Bryan From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Mon Sep 25 00:16:04 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 00:16:04 -0400 Subject: HW: Lemmy Tracks? In-Reply-To: <01HVO4V1K2KY90NR6B@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Sep 24, 95 10:13:56 pm Message-ID: Well, Lemmy sings and plays bass (I think) on "NIght of the Hawks", and sings on the "Silver Machine" from the Reading '86 CD. Nearly anything from _Space Ritual_ will have major Lemmy action. Don't forget "The Watcher" from _Doremi_ which got a major reworking with Motorhead .... Carl From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Mon Sep 25 00:18:39 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 00:18:39 -0400 Subject: New releases (OFF TOPIC) In-Reply-To: <950922182351_106274385@emout05.mail.aol.com> from "RJPXR5@AOL.COM" at Sep 22, 95 06:23:53 pm Message-ID: Right, I should have remembered properly: _Acid Yantra_ new album, "Bad Drug" single from album. Sounds like a must have once I get to Cambridge! I can't remember if anyone said that _Other Way Out_ or _Return Journey_ were still in print ....? Carl From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Sep 25 02:16:46 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 02:16:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: 9/23 show in OKC Message-ID: In a message dated 95-09-23 22:56:37 EDT, you write: >Here's the set list: > > Stairway to the Stars > Dr. Music > O.D.ed on Life > E.T.I. > Before the Kiss > I'd Like to See You in Black > Take Me Away > Cities on Flame > In Thee (w/ Allen on acoustic guitar) > ME262 > Burnin' For You > Godzilla > Reaper > >Encore: D&S > Red & Black wow! pretty short set! short by about 4 songs... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Sep 25 02:12:33 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 02:12:33 -0400 Subject: BOC: 9/23 show in OKC Message-ID: In a message dated 95-09-24 14:18:46 EDT, you write: >Now I know this is off topic as hell, but I've got to know what Nazareth >was like. They are, and always have been, one of my top- 5 bands. Seems >like BOC played the usual set, no surprises there. What did Naz play? >I've never had a chance to see them live so please don't tell me they >sucked canal water! I am also a big fan of Nazareth, and if anyone could post the setlist from the show pleaz do! Inquiring minds wanna know! ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Sep 25 02:16:56 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 02:16:56 -0400 Subject: BOC: 3 CD Set "Tyranny & Mutation" ???? Message-ID: In a message dated 95-09-24 23:55:44 EDT, you write: >Okay just ran across something very bizarre and potentially exciting: > >Whilst putting in an order for "Workshop of Telescopes" at the CDNOW >web site, they had the following listing for a new BOC cd : > >Blue Oyster Cult - Tyranny & Mutation >3 CD SET >Sony 7464 64806 2 >New Release (Date not available) > >Check it out under the heading "Not Available" (yet) in the BOC directory >at CDNOW if you have access. Is this some mistake? Anyone know about >this? Are we to be blessed with a real box set so soon? > >-Bryan let's forward this to AOL and see what kind of response we get! I have a feeling it maybe the Workshop set and that CD NOW err'd... ROBO From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Sep 25 11:39:37 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:39:37 BST Subject: HW: all-nighter Message-ID: Whilst at Brixton on Saturday for the Megadog all-nighter I was handed a flyer for the HW all-nighter which had a list of all the bands who are playing and of course I left it at home. Anyway, the ones I can remember are:- Utah Saints (bizarre!!!) Back to the Planet (boring) RDF (excellent) Salt Tank Porcupine Tree Electric Groove Temple + others (I'll post them tomorrow) I was also handed a flyer for a CD sampler which features loads of spacey/prog bands including Omnia Opera, Porcupine Tree and about 30 other bands all for just 5 pounds. Again I'll send the details tomorrow. BTW.....the Ozrics were excellent (as was System 7) and for the person who asked, there was no problem with "consumables" at the Brixton Academy, if you see what I mean. ;) After the gig we spent Sunday morning at Camden market where I found a bizarre electronics shop selling very weird stuff, such as glass heads filled with bubbling water, a home made Theremin (one of those electronic instruments which made the eerie sounds in 50's sci-fi films) and an aura machine. They were selling "space rock" compilations, but had sold-out and he didn't know what was on them. I've got to go back there!!! cheerio - Rob From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Mon Sep 25 05:27:17 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 05:27:17 -0400 Subject: Hello Everybody Message-ID: >Please inform me if you cannot access a generic ascii file or MS Word for >Windows. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Not being technically minded I haven't the faintest idea. All I think I can do is receive/send e-mail. Would it be possible to mail the directory direct to people? ob CD: Exit the Dragon, Urge Overkill .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Mon Sep 25 05:17:50 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 05:17:50 -0400 Subject: Workshop of the Telescopes Message-ID: >w/ a release date of September 26...here's what Eric Bloom has been saying on >the AOL Board.... >Well.....I have Workshop of the Telescopes right here Anyone heard anything about a Euoropean/UK release date yet? >Sony did a very good job..hope everyone likes it Well, wonders will never cease. After the last few dissappointing compilations. >It appears Sony/Columbia/Legacy is seriously going to promote "Workshop of >the Telescopes", for which we are very happy. This is really great but IMHO it *will* delay any new material being released. But on the other hand if it does well, an album of all new stuff may also get the full treatment. This can only be good. >, we are OTF...including Europe, which will begin on the last weekend of >October...guess we will have to celebrate Halloween over there this year. Well confirmation of a European tour, anyone know any dates yet? .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Sep 25 13:39:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:39:00 BST-1 Subject: HW: all-nighter Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9509251039.AA02006 at etlxd20c> > Utah Saints (bizarre!!!) Aren't these the guys that did that remix of "Crazy Horses" by the Osmonds? (An Osmonds-Hawkwind link!) - Andy PS Just got the Nik Turner "Space Ritual" album (looking for _Alien 4_, but no luck - tho' _Alien 3_ is on telly tonight) - anyway, quite efficient versions of "D-Rider" and "MotU", dodgy "Sonic Attack" (that's how much I've heard). I have the heretical thought that it would be better if it was the rest of them without Turner, but there you go :) From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Sep 25 13:51:43 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:51:43 BST Subject: HW: all-nighter Message-ID: > > > Utah Saints (bizarre!!!) > > Aren't these the guys that did that remix of "Crazy Horses" by the > Osmonds? > > (An Osmonds-Hawkwind link!) > Yeah, I think so. I know they did that excellent song "something good" with the Kate Bush sample, but it seems such a strange choice for a Hawkwind support. Ho-hum. bye - Rob From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Sep 25 08:59:11 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 08:59:11 -0400 Subject: Will the real AB please stand up Message-ID: On Fri, 22 Sep 1995, BREVARD Adrian R. wrote: > PS - Is there another AB out there? Before I stopped receiving mail someone > signed as AB and the post was not mine. In addition, today I saw some > qoutes attributed to ab> on a posting that was not mine. Yes, there is. There is some bloke on the list called "Albert Bouchard." The "ab>" quotes were attributed to him. Strange, but the name sounds oddly familiar... ;-) Cheers, Paul. PS: I believe he signed on the list before you, so he is actually the "original" AB, should an acrimonious custody battle erupt over those particular initials. PPS: E-mail to abrevard at shl.com bounces as "unknown address." Maybe this is why you aren't getting as much e-mail as you used to? obListening: Mississippi Fred McDowell, "61 Highway" e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Sep 25 09:03:23 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 09:03:23 -0400 Subject: Hello Everybody In-Reply-To: <306335BD@houmg001.shl.com> from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Sep 22, 95 03:11:00 pm Message-ID: Welcome back, d00d! > > PS - Is there another AB out there? Before I stopped receiving mail someone > signed as AB and the post was not mine. In addition, today I saw some > qoutes attributed to ab> on a posting that was not mine. If there is > another AB can we talk? Don't want you to get accidently flamed for being > off topic or a mega poster. > > A(Buck Dharma)B > Uhhh, that "other" AB is Albert Bouchard; y'know, the guy that played the drums ('n synth 'n accoustic guitar 'n sang) in BOC. You may just want to modify your tag line just a little... objCassette Deck: Porcupine Tree / Up The Down Staircase -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 25 14:13:15 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:13:15 BST Subject: HW: the weird tapes In-Reply-To: Allan T Grohe Jr's message of Sun, 24 Sep 1995 17:07:54 -0500 Message-ID: Allan T Grohe Jr writes: > On Sun, 24 Sep 1995, Johan Edlundh wrote: > > > now some questions: > > > > 2) does someone know the release month of the Weird Tapes. This is all I > > know (from BOC-l archive): > > > > 1981 Weird 105A - Hawkwind 1976-77-78 (the withdrawn tape) > > 1981 Weird 105B - Hawkwind 1976/7 > What's the story behind this withdrawl of tape 105A? I'm unfamiliar with > it, and was unaware that there were different versions. > Brock withdrew it after a few had gone out and Cherry Hocking got complaints. Cherry sent me both versions and I'd have to concur that the second was better. Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77-78 [A] [this tape was withdrawn and the later one released instead] Flying Doctor Back on the Streets Paranoia Chronoglide Skyway Back on the Streets Assassins of Allah Forge of Vulcan Steppenwolf Where are they Now? Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 [B] Back on the Streets Chronoglide Skyway Brainstorm Wind of Change Assassins of Allah Forge of Vulcan Steppenwolf Where are they Now? > Allan. FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Sep 25 09:33:28 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 09:33:28 -0400 Subject: Hi - I'm Back! Message-ID: Greetings once again fellow BOC-L members. After 2 weeks of much-needed vacation, I have returned to work (yuck), and BOC-L (yes!). I hope there's been some stimulating BOC and/or Brain Surgeons discussions in my absense, and if there has been, could somebody fill me in on what I've missed? Much appreciated. The first post I received upon starting the BOC-L mailfeed back to me says that *Workshop Of The Telescopes* is out. Really? Where? One of the first things I did when I got back home yesterday was head to my local Tower Records and Newbury Comics, and neither had it? To anyone who has seen it, please let me know where, and provide any other details you can. If this has already been discussed on the list, someone please let me know -- but my guess is that at this point, most folks don't yet have their copy. Any new news in the Brain Surgeons? I've been away from my CD's for two weeks, but the first CD in the stereo yesterday when I returned was *Trepanation* . . . ah, it is good to be back. I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- if you haven't gotten this disc yet, you are doing your ears a serious disservice. Looking forward to new mail, John From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Mon Sep 25 11:34:52 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:34:52 EST Subject: Off topic general radio question Message-ID: I'm doing a speech in my communications class about the differences in radio between the '70s and '90s and how those differences were reflected in the bands of the time. Since I've only been alive since 1975, I was wondering if some of the elder statemen on the list could provide me with a definition of an Album Oriented Rock (AOR) station. Did they actually have the gall to play an occasional album all the way through ;) Maybe it meant that they played an assortment of songs from albums instead of just the typical million-seller single? Any information would be much appreciated! Brian P.S. Sorry if I offended any "mature listers" with my elder statesmen remark ;) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Sep 25 10:57:45 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:57:45 -0400 Subject: Will the real AB please stand up Message-ID: Doesn't Mr. Bouchard usually just sign as "Al" these days? John (who doesn't use his initials "JAS" since I believe there's another jas on BOC-L) From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Mon Sep 25 09:02:44 1995 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 08:02:44 -0500 Subject: HW release delayed again Message-ID: Hi folks, I just got off the phone with Mike Lloyd Music and it seems the release date for the new Hawkwind CD has been pushed back to Oct. 9th. The delay seems to be related with the LP... Doug From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Mon Sep 25 11:30:42 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:30:42 -0400 Subject: Hi - I'm Back! Message-ID: John said: >Any new news in the Brain Surgeons? Well, they played CBGB's on Sep 15th. Steve (?) said he was going to post a review of the gig but I don't recall seeing it. Anyone seen/have it? I would like to see a review if possible. >I've been away from my CD's for two >weeks, but the first CD in the stereo yesterday when I returned was >*Trepanation* . . . ah, it is good to be back. I've said it before, and >I'll say it again -- if you haven't gotten this disc yet, you are doing >your ears a serious disservice. Yep, OB CD Trepanation. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Mon Sep 25 11:46:03 1995 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:46:03 -0500 Subject: Off topic general radio question In-Reply-To: BRIAN HALLIGAN "Off topic general radio question" (Sep 25, 10:34am) Message-ID: > I'm doing a speech in my communications class about the differences > in radio between the '70s and '90s and how those differences were reflected > in the bands of the time. Since I've only been alive since 1975, I was > wondering if some of the elder statemen on the list could provide me with > a definition of an Album Oriented Rock (AOR) station. Did they actually > have the gall to play an occasional album all the way through ;) Maybe > it meant that they played an assortment of songs from albums instead of > just the typical million-seller single? Now don't construe this as an admission of being "elder" in any sense, but I think that the term AOR is really meant to be taken in contrast to "Top 40". That is, instead of only putting the released *singles* into heavy rotation, AOR stations will actually play other cuts from the whole *album*. For example, instead of only hearing _Stairway to Heaven_ umpteen trillion times, one might also get to actually hear _Battle of Evermore_ (which, even farther off-topic, has some absolutely brilliant singing by Sandy Denny, IMHO). Actually some of the AOR stations did (and do) play albums all the way through, but there was usually a special time set aside for that. Some of the stations here is Chicago used to play one or two new albums each week on Saturday or Sunday night. I don't remember ever hearing an entire album as part of the normal play list, though. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (708) 576-3110 | fax: (708) 576-3240 Real programmers don't bring paper bag lunches. If the vending machine sells it, they eat it. If the vending machine doesn't sell it, they don't eat it. Vending machines don't sell quiche. From irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU Mon Sep 25 13:20:50 1995 From: irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 12:20:50 -0500 Subject: BOC: 3 CD Set "Tyranny & Mutation" ???? In-Reply-To: <950925021654_28402910@emout05.mail.aol.com> from "Rob Maerz" at Sep 25, 95 02:16:56 am Message-ID: > > let's forward this to AOL and see what kind of response we get! I have a > feeling it maybe the Workshop set and that CD NOW err'd... > But CDnow had a separate listing for WOTT. -bryan From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 25 18:57:18 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 18:57:18 BST Subject: HW release delayed again In-Reply-To: Doug's message of Mon, 25 Sep 1995 08:02:44 -0500 Message-ID: > Hi folks, I just got off the phone with Mike Lloyd Music and it > seems the release date for the new Hawkwind CD has been pushed back > to Oct. 9th. The delay seems to be related with the LP... > > > ESS EYE GEE AITCH Thanks for checking anyway! Wonder if it'll be out before they tour - or maybe it's gonna be an early Xmas present... Or maybe they were planning a release date around the Autumn Equinox and have decided to wait until Winter Solstice. Or maybe they reckon the longer they keep postponing the release the more folk are going to be asking about it in the record stores and the more this will raise the Hawkwind profile accordingly. I keep having this image that each time they get to the final mix and everyone is just about to agree that this is IT.... then someone listens to it again and says "nah - we've just got to go through this one more time and re-do it..." I hope this isn't the case or it'll be re-mixed to death at this rate! Travelling hopefully jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Sep 25 14:00:23 1995 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:00:23 -0500 Subject: Off topic general radio question In-Reply-To: <00996EBB.03048D20.82@bigvax.alfred.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Sep 1995, BRIAN HALLIGAN wrote: > I'm doing a speech in my communications class about the differences > in radio between the '70s and '90s and how those differences were reflected > in the bands of the time. Since I've only been alive since 1975, I was > wondering if some of the elder statemen on the list could provide me with > a definition of an Album Oriented Rock (AOR) station. Did they actually > have the gall to play an occasional album all the way through ;) Maybe > it meant that they played an assortment of songs from albums instead of > just the typical million-seller single? Some of the people at the Nikwind show here in Dallas claim to remember some AOR stations playing WotEoT all the way through w/out interruption. As for today, we have a radio station (92.5 KZPS) which has a Midnight Classic CD every weeknight... a whole classic album all the way through. One good thing about living in Southern U.S.A. :) Damon Capehart | "Man, what a stupid .sig ..." -- You dcapehar at utdallas.edu From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Sep 25 19:15:04 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:15:04 BST Subject: Off topic general radio question In-Reply-To: BRIAN HALLIGAN's message of Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:34:52 EST Message-ID: > I'm doing a speech in my communications class about the differences > in radio between the '70s and '90s and how those differences were reflected > in the bands of the time. Since I've only been alive since 1975, I was > wondering if some of the elder statemen on the list could provide me with > a definition of an Album Oriented Rock (AOR) station. Did they actually > have the gall to play an occasional album all the way through ;) Maybe > it meant that they played an assortment of songs from albums instead of > just the typical million-seller single? > > Any information would be much appreciated! > jeez - I dunno about the States but it was a rare and wondrous occasion when you could find a radio prog in the UK that was prepared to play ANYTHING that wasn't released as a single and on the official "play list". There were rare occasions such as Annie Nightingale, John Peel and Thomas Vance who were willing and able to play the obscure, the underground and the different - but it was nearly always by request and I don't think I can remember one single occasion when a whole LP was played tho' if a couple of tracks segued on an album I think these were occasionally played right through - Emerson Lake and Palmer comes to mind. I can remember late nights curled up under the bedsheets at skool with the transistor radio on earplug mode browsing through the European stations (Dutch and German mostly) where they seemed to play rock music almost non-stop with virtually no intro or speech at all and they'd play some really heavy underground stuff too. But they were difficult to find and didn't stay around too long. Ah memories...... Does that qualify me for elder statesmanship 8-0 jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Sep 25 14:40:06 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:40:06 -0400 Subject: Workshop of the Telescopes Message-ID: In a message dated 95-09-25 08:25:50 EDT, you write: >>, we are OTF...including Europe, which will begin on the last weekend of >>October...guess we will have to celebrate Halloween over there this year. > >Well confirmation of a European tour, anyone know any dates yet? > > >.......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com > > > as of this writing, no European dates have been posted as yet... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Sep 25 14:40:35 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:40:35 -0400 Subject: Hi - I'm Back! Message-ID: In a message dated 95-09-25 10:28:15 EDT, you write: >The first post I received upon starting the BOC-L mailfeed back to me says >that *Workshop Of The Telescopes* is out. Really? Where? One of the >first things I did when I got back home yesterday was head to my local >Tower Records and Newbury Comics, and neither had it? To anyone who has >seen it, please let me know where, and provide any other details you can. >If this has already been discussed on the list, someone please let me >know -- but my guess is that at this point, most folks don't yet have their >copy. Telescopes will be out tomorrow...Eric Bloom received an advanced copy last week...his comments were posted here in an E I posted... ROBO From 100651.1524 at COMPUSERVE.COM Mon Sep 25 14:46:30 1995 From: 100651.1524 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Simon Hudson) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:46:30 EDT Subject: HW: Lemmy Tracks? Message-ID: > From: "Carl E. Anderson" > Subject: Re: HW: Lemmy Tracks? > > Well, Lemmy sings and plays bass (I think) on >"NIght of the Hawks", and sings on the "Silver Machine" >from the Reading '86 CD. Nearly anything from _Space >Ritual_ will have major Lemmy action. Don't forget "The > Watcher" from _Doremi_ which got a major reworking with >Motorhead .... I was there at Reading in '86, and it was a great Hawkwind gig, despite Lemmy's voice being completely shot (It just added to the atmosphere). Classic festival too, crap toilets, loads of dope, low police profile and the Great British Weather. Happy memories! Most of the people there had been on the road since stonehenge got cancelled. I'd no idea there was a CD. Can anyone tell me where to get it? Simon Hudson Liverpool, UK E-mail from: Simon Hudson, 25-Sep-1995 From canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Mon Sep 25 15:06:08 1995 From: canders at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 15:06:08 -0400 Subject: HW: Rumor: Dave and Nik make-up! Message-ID: Oh, BTW, I heard from Chris Bruce this weekend (who _finally_ was brow-beaten in finishing recording my demo songs) that Dave Brock and Nik "made-up" last weekend (I assume he means the weekend before this one just past). Dunno how much truth there is in that, or what it might mean--but at least I would guess there's a chance we'll see Nik if they get a reunion-Hawkon gig together (now if they could get Lemmy too ....) Cheers, Carl From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Sep 25 20:34:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 20:34:00 BST-1 Subject: Off topic general radio question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9509251915.aa18271 at uk.ac.ed.castle> Jill says > jeez - I dunno about the States but it was a rare and wondrous occasion > when you could find a radio prog in the UK that was prepared to play > ANYTHING that wasn't released as a single and on the official "play > list". [...] My earliest Hawkwind exposure, apart from "Silver Machine", of course, and "Urban Guerrilla" (on Radio Luxembourg!) was on Radio Caroline in the mid-'70s. They'd play whole sides off of _Space Ritual_! And when _Quark_ came out, they'd play "Spirit of the Age" several times a day. Ditto _Motorhead_ and "Motorhead". And _American Stars and Bars_/"Like a Hurricane". They ruled! One thing about them though, maybe because they were at sea and it made things more tricky, if they just played one track, they nearly always played the first track on a side. Except for one guy whose favourite BOC song was "Fireworks". But Peely, where'd we be without - random memory crosses my mind of driving back to Cambridge from a Hawkwind show in London, and Peel's playing Roky Erickson's "Sputnik" off of _The Evil One_... - Andy ObCD: Celine Dion - _D'eux_ From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 25 15:40:01 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 15:40:01 -0400 Subject: DIY Trepanation Revisited Message-ID: We are all eagerly waiting the Black & Decker reply... also on the Trepanning tip, a group called Bivouac on DGC have a song by the same name... guess we were really aHEAD of the trend! :-) --DF From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Sep 25 15:50:17 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 15:50:17 -0400 Subject: Off topic general radio question In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Sep 25, 95 08:34:00 pm Message-ID: Anyone from around the Washington DC area remember WGTB (90.1FM). Great nights listening to their programming. Pledged $10.00 to 'em if they played some Hawkwind (never did hear 'em play anything, so I defaulted on my pledge...). One time, they brought a Mini-Moog into the studio and improvised... Heard a _fantastic_ version of The Beatles _While_My_Guitar_Gently_Weeps_; halfway thru the guitar solo, they (the station, I assume) segued in a piece of e-music that matched the music beautifully and, overdubbed overr the music, were excerpts from various WWII speeches (FDR, Churchill, Hitler & Truman were the ones that I remember). After the "war is over" speech, the e-music faded and the original song ended; stunning! Never did find out who did that (this was in the mid-70's, I think). Best damn station in the world... WeGotTaBoogie is dead, long live WeGotTaBoogie! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Sep 25 17:08:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:08:00 PDT Subject: Will the real AB please stand up Message-ID: > PS - Is there another AB out there? Before I stopped receiving mail someone > signed as AB and the post was not mine. In addition, today I saw some > qoutes attributed to ab> on a posting that was not mine. >Yes, there is. There is some bloke on the list called "Albert >Bouchard." The "ab>" quotes were attributed to him. Strange, but the >name sounds oddly familiar... ;-) >Cheers, >Paul. True, Al I know about but he usually signs his post as Al not AB. There was a post signed AB beyond the "ab>" post, that is who I am looking for. >PS: I believe he signed on the list before you, so he is actually the >"original" AB, should an acrimonious custody battle erupt over those >particular initials. And since I cannot play drums guitars or sing nearly as well as Al if he wants dibd he can have them. >PPS: E-mail to abrevard at shl.com bounces as "unknown address." Maybe this >is why you aren't getting as much e-mail as you used to? My company apparently changed the internet addresses without notifying the employees, ohg well. ob cd for listening - Frank Marino and Mahogeny Rush, Double Live Molly Hatchet - Live AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Sep 25 17:08:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:08:00 PDT Subject: Hi - I'm Back! Message-ID: >Looking forward to new mail, >John Welcome back big guy, hope you enjoyed the vacation. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Sep 25 18:12:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 15:12:00 PDT Subject: Off topic general radio question Message-ID: Yo Ship, I'm old/young enough to remember WGTB. Yeah great station, too bad we don't have anything resembling them now. DC101 just plays modern rock and the same old classics daily. WHFS plays modern rock but a much better variety than DC101. Now 98 Rock from B'more is still going pretty strong. They picked up the AC/DC cd release live as well as live coverage of many of the summers biggest concerts in this area. I can hear them in my car and they rule. AB >Anyone from around the Washington DC area remember WGTB (90.1FM). WeGotTaBoogie is dead, long live WeGotTaBoogie! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Sep 25 16:25:17 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:25:17 -0400 Subject: HW: Rumor: Dave and Nik make-up! Message-ID: > Oh, BTW, I heard from Chris Bruce this weekend (who _finally_ was >brow-beaten in finishing recording my demo songs) that Dave Brock and Nik >"made-up" last weekend (I assume he means the weekend before this one just Exceptionally good news (assuming it is true) Martyn From bedens at INTELLINET.COM Mon Sep 25 15:29:45 1995 From: bedens at INTELLINET.COM (Bert Edens) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 15:29:45 -0400 Subject: Will the real AB please stand up Message-ID: >True, Al I know about but he usually signs his post as Al not AB. There was >a post signed AB beyond the "ab>" post, that is who I am looking for. If I can chip in here (And the chorus screamed "NO!!"), some mail software will put the initials of the original sender along with the ">" so that it can be easier to trace who sent a message... That may be why we saw the "ab>". It may have absolutely nothing to do with how Al signs his posts... Later... Bert +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bert Edens - bedens at intellinet.com | | http://www.intellinet.com/~bedens/home.html | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Picard (about Q): "A member of the Q Continuum, who | | feels that it's his purpose in life to annoy us." | | Q: "Not my SOLE purpose. I like to spread myself around." | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | GO HOGS GO! GO HOGS GO! GO HOGS GO! GO HOGS GO! GO HOGS GO! | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Sep 25 22:23:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 22:23:00 BST-1 Subject: DIY Trepanation Revisited Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <950925153958_28778778 at emout04.mail.aol.com> > We are all eagerly waiting the Black & Decker reply... > also on the Trepanning tip, a group called Bivouac on DGC have a song > by the > same name... guess we were really aHEAD of the trend! :-) > --DF There's also the _brainbloodvolume_ album from Ned's Atomic Dustbin - the title is a coinage from the Bart Huges book (I've also seen it quoted as "bloodbrainvolume"), and refers to the, well, volume of blood in the brain (duh!) that is supposedly allowed to increase by trepanation... looks like it's this year's craze!! Get ahead, get a hole! - Andy ObTrackTitle: "Laithwaite Star Drive" off Simon House's _Yassassim_ From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 25 17:26:17 1995 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:26:17 -0400 Subject: BOC: 9/23 show in OKC Message-ID: Well, I went to the OKC show. It was supposed to start at 6:00 PM. It actually started at 6:35 PM. The park closes at 8:00 PM. As a result, my guess is that they had to drop a few songs from the set to finish by closing. After all, you wouldn't want to end the set at 8:00 and not have any time for an encore. That'd REALLY piss the crowd off!! My favorite moment of the concert? Towards the end of DFtR, when Buck is going into his ending solo, he removes his hand from the guitar neck and CHECKS HIS WATCH!!! Trying to determine how long he can solo???? I saw him do this and LAUGHED. He cut the solo short and ended the set. They came back out for (as Eric put it) "a couple of fast ones" (D&S and TRatB) and wrapped at 7:59. An 85 minute show. Quite a bit less that the 100+ minute one at the Strand. Good concert, although I MUCH preferred the one at the Strand in LA over Labor Day weekend. Much looser there. As well as longer. R. BTW, the new drummer, John O'Rilley did very well. Danny KICKED ASS on bass. A fun time. From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Mon Sep 25 17:22:03 1995 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:22:03 -0400 Subject: BOC: 3 CD Set "Tyranny & Mutation" ???? Message-ID: Well, it could be a followup to WotT. A couple of months ogo in ICE, a Sony/Legacy spokesman said they were doing WotT and "implied" that they would do another multi CD set after WotT. No statements, just inferences. The inference was to outtakes and unreleased material. Speculation has it that Sony will see how WotT does and then decide whether to do a followup multi CD set. Is this (T&M) it? Who knows... I checked CDNow. It is, indeed, listed as a 3 CD set with no release date. I checked the Sony web site. It was worthless. (Just like Sony?) Anyone else? R. From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Mon Sep 25 16:35:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 15:35:00 -0500 Subject: BOC: 3 CD Set "Tyranny & Mutation" ???? Message-ID: -> Whilst putting in an order for "Workshop of Telescopes" at the CDNOW -> web site, they had the following listing for a new BOC cd : -> -> Blue Oyster Cult - Tyranny & Mutation -> 3 CD SET -> Sony 7464 64806 2 -> New Release (Date not available) -> -> Check it out under the heading "Not Available" (yet) in the BOC -> directory at CDNOW if you have access. Is this some mistake? Anyone -> know about this? Are we to be blessed with a real box set so soon? Gotta be a mistake. If there was a "honest to goodness" Boxset out, they couldn't call it the name of a previously released album, could they? I can see using a somg title like "career of Evil" "Workshop" OR "On flame" etc, but T&M would be kinda stoopid. Maybe I'm wrong? Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Sep 25 18:27:14 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 18:27:14 -0400 Subject: BOC: Underbelly Online Updates Message-ID: hey we got Underbelly Updates for the week... * Stairway - Tomorrow's the big day! * Telescopes - a heluvalot of new links! * Lips - won't be updated til later this week... ROBO http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Sep 25 18:43:27 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:43:27 -0600 Subject: Off topic general radio question In-Reply-To: <30672B1D@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: AB- When I was stationed at Ft. Bragg, NC, I remember listening to a really coool station out of DC called "DC 101". Their logo looked alot like the AC/DC logo. It was a great rock station. Is it still around? Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Sep 25 18:47:28 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:47:28 -0600 Subject: BOC: 9/23 show in OKC In-Reply-To: <950925172617_108555363@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Rocker- What was the set list like? Can you post it? Jean & I are trying to get Bolle, Robert R., and Che out here for the Oct 14th show. Are you interested in riding out to NM? You can stay with us for free, but it might be a bit crowded. Take care......Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From b_pospiech at SHAMROCK.PING.DE Mon Sep 25 13:13:00 1995 From: b_pospiech at SHAMROCK.PING.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 18:13:00 +0100 Subject: Lemmy Message-ID: Hi Johan! > Is there any other suggestions where Lemmy is at his best? Lemmy at his best? Try the SILVER MACHINE version from the Reading 1986 gig cu Bernhard b_pospiech at shamrock.ping.de From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Sep 26 02:42:12 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 02:42:12 -0400 Subject: Will the real AB please stand up Message-ID: In a message dated 95-09-25 18:27:39 EDT, you write: >> PS - Is there another AB out there? Before I stopped receiving mail >someone >> signed as AB and the post was not mine. In addition, today I saw some >> qoutes attributed to ab> on a posting that was not mine. > >>Yes, there is. There is some bloke on the list called "Albert >>Bouchard." The "ab>" quotes were attributed to him. Strange, but the >>name sounds oddly familiar... ;-) > > could we kill this riduculous thread about tag lines, pleaz? thanx ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Sep 26 03:06:48 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 03:06:48 -0400 Subject: Off topic general radio question Message-ID: In a message dated 95-09-25 18:54:49 EDT, you write: >AB- > >When I was stationed at Ft. Bragg, NC, I remember listening to a really >coool station out of DC called "DC 101". Their logo looked alot like >the AC/DC logo. It was a great rock station. Is it still around? > Manuel > > YES! ROBO From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue Sep 26 09:50:11 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 09:50:11 BST Subject: HW: All-nighter line up Message-ID: Right, I remembered the flyer which has the full line up for the all-nighter, yer 'tis:- Utah Saints Back to the Planet RDF The Electric Groove Temple Salt Tank Optic Eye Porcupine Tree Cybernaut Capt. Rizz+ Feat. "DJ Tim" with "An Arc Lights" and "Temple Decor" bye - rob From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue Sep 26 10:00:45 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:00:45 BST Subject: Prog compilation Message-ID: Whilst at the Ozrics thing I picked up this flyer for a prog/psych compilation which seems a bit of a bargain:- Pick & Mix - a selection of some of the best current psychedelic, progressive and head sounds, including exclusive Porcupine Tree, Electric Orange and Zuvuya tracks. (It then lists the other 25 bands which are on the CD) Two and a half hours of music for around 5 pounds Mail order prices (inc P&P) UK - 5 GBP Europe - 6 GBP Elsewhere - 7 GBP Delerium Records, PO Box 1288 Gerrards Cross Bucks SL9 9YB Phone: 01753 892879 I have no connection or experience with them, so I don't know how reliable they are. bye - Rob From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Sep 26 07:46:33 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 12:46:33 +0100 Subject: Off topic general radio question In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:34:52 EST." <00996EBB.03048D20.82@bigvax.alfred.edu> Message-ID: When I was doing a short tour of the west coast of the U.S to unwind from the stresses of being a student :-) I seem to recall a San Diego station KGB-FM (?) playing the whole of Dark Side of the Moon, at about 10am on a weekday. The fact that they played such a lengthy lump of music, coupled with the fact that they chose DSotM (!) rather knocked me sideways I must admit (This would have been about 1991) It was a cool station though. The next day they played Eric Johnson 'Trademark' which made me an instant fan, of both. Cheers, Tim From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Tue Sep 26 05:22:11 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:22:11 -0400 Subject: Alien 3 Message-ID: Just had to mention it. They showed Alien 3 on ITV last night (UK). The guy in it who played Dillon (looked like one of Run DMC), had the classic line: "Do you want to be on your feet, or on your knees?" ------------------------------- Great. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Sep 26 08:39:49 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:39:49 +0100 Subject: Alien 3 Message-ID: >Just had to mention it. >They showed Alien 3 on ITV last night (UK). >The guy in it who played Dillon (looked like one >of Run DMC), had the classic line: > >"Do you want to be on your feet, or on your knees?" > ------------------------------- >Great. Great! (far) connections to both BOC & HW... >.......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com \\joe From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Tue Sep 26 14:33:44 1995 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:33:44 BST Subject: Alien S 4 Message-ID: Hello everyone, I need help........... I've been making a complete nuisance of myself in all my local record shops. Has any one out there actually been able to procure this elusive object?!! Maybe it's a cruel marketing ploy! Keith From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 26 10:28:44 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:28:44 -0400 Subject: BOC: 3 CD Set "Tyranny & Mutation" ???? Message-ID: Well, maybe the *title* of the set is wrong, but CDNow actually lists a catalog number for this release, which does not correspond to any other BOC release, including WOTT. So, maybe Sony does have some plans (like ICE hinted at - the SFG material?) for a future release? Personally, if they did, I would much have preferred the 2 CDs of WOTT and these potential 3 CDs (that may or may not ever be released) all done up as one "complete" (?) box set. But, they definitely can't call it "Tyranny and Mutation" . . . that would be REALLY stupid. John From mfuller at CISCO.COM Tue Sep 26 11:43:01 1995 From: mfuller at CISCO.COM (Mike Fuller) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:43:01 -0400 Subject: BOC: 3 CD Set "Tyranny & Mutation" ???? In-Reply-To: <199509261428.KAA23415@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: >>>>> On Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:28:44 -0400, John A Swartz >>>>> said: John> But, they definitely can't call it "Tyranny and Mutation" John> . . . that would be REALLY stupid. How about "Masters of the Universe"? :-) -- Mike From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Sep 26 11:47:48 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 11:47:48 -0400 Subject: BOC: RE T&M CD Set Message-ID: to the person that inquired about the T & M CD set, here's what we got so far from Bolle Gregmar...I believe someone else on AOL confirmed that CD NOW advertised this CD Set... Re:T&M Set Date: 95-09-26 01:49:40 EDT From: TUBULAR 1 In my industrial educational guess... There is a mistake made somewhere. the two catalogue #s are too close for reality and so I think there was a malfunction in somebody's computer. a 3 CD-Set seems unlikely for even a European re-package. I think human error is on the works here. Although i do confess a 3 CD set would also be welcome for the ever growing collections of ours. I will investigate this and have a real answer as opposed to this hypothetical but never the less very possible issue. BOLLE_!_? From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Sep 26 12:37:37 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 12:37:37 -0400 Subject: BOC: 3 CD Set "Tyranny & Mutation" ???? Message-ID: Mike says: John> But, they definitely can't call it "Tyranny and Mutation" John> . . . that would be REALLY stupid. How about "Masters of the Universe"? :-) How about: *Club Ninja with Mirrors: A Tribute to Debbie Denise* ;-) John From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Sep 26 12:49:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 12:49:00 EDT Subject: HW Help the DJ & Opinion Request Message-ID: Brian, (IMHO) the _PS_ version of Damnation Alley kicks butt for the 1st 3 minutes and then augers into the ground. The reprise at the end is some salvation, but I wouldn't play it over the air. In my recent tour of the record stores I came across a Nik Turner release called _Space Ritual Live '94_. Any opinions on this bad boy? ( )--(a) (@=@=) \ Rudy the ferret mage O__) \ \___ \ \ (Ever watchful for Hawks from above & beyond) /\ * ) \ From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Sep 26 18:18:14 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 18:18:14 BST Subject: Alien S 4 In-Reply-To: K_Barton@eng.hud.ac.uk's message of Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:33:44 BST Message-ID: > Hello everyone, I need help........... > don't worry - you're not the only one! > I've been making a complete nuisance of myself in all my local record shops. > Has any one out there actually been able to procure this elusive object?!! > Maybe it's a cruel marketing ploy! > It's been delayed (until Oct 9) but then what did you expect.... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Tue Sep 26 14:49:15 1995 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:49:15 -0400 Subject: HW: Lemmy Tracks? Message-ID: > Is there any other suggestions where Lemmy is at his best? For me, Lemmy's crowning achievement is the version of Lost Johnny from HotMG. This song has it all: brilliant melody, a swirling mass of fuzzed-out guitars (all played by Lemmy, I believe), wonderfully bent lyrics, and a bass line which anchors a blietzkrieg-style rhythmic assault, establishing it clearly as the precursor to modern speed-metal. Well, maybe I'm getting a little carried away... Chris chris_baxley at sonymusic.com From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Sep 26 17:17:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:17:00 PDT Subject: Off topic general radio question Message-ID: >AB- >When I was stationed at Ft. Bragg, NC, I remember listening to a really >cool station out of DC called "DC 101". Their logo looked alot like >the AC/DC logo. It was a great rock station. Is it still around? Manuel ============================================ Yes & no Manuel; apologies for the cryptic response. The station still exists and is one of the only rock stations (and by far the biggest ) in the Wash. DC area. The problem is that the play list has become increasingly dull over the last few months. You call up with a request and if it is not top twenty you are not likely to hear it. For example, a local band Earth Eighteen (Fairfax, VA) has gotten a lot of air play on 98 Rock from Baltimore and WHFS which serves DC/B'more. You will rarely hear this group on DC 101. The classics they play are about the same twenty songs the classic rock stations tend to play. Few of the DJ's have any personalties and if you really want to hear them rock it can only be done very late at night. I hardly listen to them anymore. They were really progressive in the 70's and 80's but seemed to have lost their way in the 90's. AB From mccann at AIX1.UCOK.EDU Tue Sep 26 15:28:47 1995 From: mccann at AIX1.UCOK.EDU (Lester I. McCann) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:28:47 -0500 Subject: Release Date for Tyranny and Mutation Message-ID: I tried calling around this afternoon in hopes of finding a copy of Workshop; no luck. But, while checking his computer, a guy from a local Blockbuster Music found Tyranny and Mutation listed as having an October 17th release date. Just another data point. --lester From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Sep 26 22:05:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 22:05:00 BST-1 Subject: HW Help the DJ & Opinion Request Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3067A2AD at volpegate.dot.gov> > In my recent tour of the record stores I came across a Nik Turner > release > called _Space Ritual Live '94_. Any opinions on this bad boy? It's got a good version of "D-Rider". Turner's vocal are somewhat ragged throughout, though, which rather spoiled it for me. - Andy From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Sep 26 17:23:09 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:23:09 -0400 Subject: HW Help the DJ & Opinion Request Message-ID: > > >In my recent tour of the record stores I came across a Nik Turner release >called _Space Ritual Live '94_. Any opinions on this bad boy? > ( )--(a) > (@=@=) \ Rudy the ferret mage > O__) \ \___ > \ \ (Ever watchful for Hawks from above & beyond) > /\ * ) \ > > I have this one, and personaly I like it alot. Good song selection spanning HW's many songs, except the version of Sonic Attack on this one I find quite boring and much too long. Armour for Everyday is tedious and gets on my nerves, but aside from that, it is a very good piece of work. Duane -- " You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." Bob Dylan From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Sep 26 17:25:53 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:25:53 -0400 Subject: Release Date for Tyranny and Mutation Message-ID: > >I tried calling around this afternoon in hopes of finding a copy >of Workshop; no luck. But, while checking his computer, a guy from a >local Blockbuster Music found Tyranny and Mutation listed as having an >October 17th release date. Just another data point. > >--lester > > I was in a store called My Generation in Westlake, Ohio, and seen the cd. I have to wait to get it though, there was a Hawkwind cd I wanted instead. Duane -- " You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." Bob Dylan From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Tue Sep 26 17:26:06 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:26:06 -0400 Subject: New releases (OFF TOPIC) Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>> I can't remember if anyone said that _Other Way Out_ or _Return Journey_ were still in print ....?<<<<<<<<<<<<< i don't know if they are still in print,but i recently(w/in a mnth)saw both in a local store on cd. don't know the prices,but other way out was a re-issue or whatever-at least it had a different cover.... rjpxr5 From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Sep 26 17:37:17 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:37:17 -0400 Subject: Spirit of the Age remix Message-ID: I purchased a cd today that I would like to ask about here, if anyone knows or heard of this. It is called Hawkwind: Spirit of the Age, Solstice Remixes. The cover is yellow, black, and orange, with the double hawks and an eye in the middle. It is the same as the 95 US tour postcard. On it are four remixes of the song SotA. 1. Radio edit 2. Full Vocal Mix 3. Cyber-trance Mix 4. Flesh to Phantasy ambient mix It then says: Solstice remix by Astralasia I find it very listenable, but it does not resemble the original, as it is very up-tempo, digital, techno sounding. Does anyone have any info on this? Duane OBcd: Also picked up Alice Cooper - Killer, and Brian Auger - Closer to It -- " You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." Bob Dylan From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Tue Sep 26 17:52:15 1995 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:52:15 -0700 Subject: Spirit of the Age remix In-Reply-To: <199509262137.AA04230@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Sep 26, 95 05:37:17 pm Message-ID: > It then says: Solstice remix by Astralasia > I find it very listenable, but it does not resemble the original, as it is > very up-tempo, digital, techno sounding. > Does anyone have any info on this? I don't know much about it, but I bought it a few weeks ago. I've only listened to it once, and I thought it was almost boring. None of the songs really stood out, or seemed like normal Hawkwind. Maybe I should give it another listen... -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome From irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU Tue Sep 26 17:53:45 1995 From: irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 16:53:45 -0500 Subject: workshop Message-ID: Haven't seen anyone post anything about Workshop of the Telescopes yet, so I'll say something brief: -Nice packaging: cover is inside slip of RBN vinyl (anubis on crypt thing) -Doesn't appear to be digitally remastered -Includes the following prev unreleased on CD (well, not officially) tracks: Workshop of the Telescopes (from '72 Bootleg EP) The Red & the Black (from '72 Bootleg EP) Buck's Boogie (from Guitars that Destroyed the World) Born to Be Wild (studio) (B-side of live BTBW from OYFOOYK) -Full track listing is: Disc 1: 1-Cities on Flame (BOC) 2-Transmanicon MC (BOC) 3-Before the Kiss (BOC) 4-Stairway to the Stars (BOC) 5-Buck's Boogie (GTDTW) 6-Workshop of the Telescopes (Boot EP) 7-The Red & The Black (Boot EP) 8-7 Screaming Diz-busters (T&M) 9-Career of Evil (ST) 10-Flaming Telepaths (ST) 11-Astronomy (ST) 12-Subhuman (OYFOOYK) 13-Harvester of Eyes (OYFOOYK) 14-ME 262 (OYFOOYK) 15-Born to Be Wild (b-side) Disc 2: 1-The Reaper (AOF) 2-This Ain't the Summer of Love (AOF) 3-ETI (AOF) 4-Godzilla (Spectres) 5-Goin' Through the Motions (Spectres) 6-Golden Age of Leater (Spectres) 7-Kick out the Jams (SEE) 8-We Gotta Get out of this Place (SEE) 9-In Thee (Mirrors) 10-Marshall Plan (CE) 11-Veteran of the Psychic Wars (FOUO) 12-Burnin' For You (FOUO) 13-Dominance & Submission (ETL) 14-Take Me Away (RBN) 15-Shooting Shark (RBN) 16-Dancin' in the Ruins (CN) 17-Perfect Water (CN) As for my own personal opinions, I'm obviously glad for the inclusions of the unreleased stuff, but am, like a lot of people I expect, not happy about no remastering. The bizarre inclusion of the SEE cover songs as "BOC's Greatest Hits" mystifies me a bit, especially considering the fact that there is only 1 (real) track from T&M, 1 from Mirrors (and not the best one at that), and 1 from CErectus (again, why the Marshall Plan..?). Nice inclusions from RBN & CN though. I hope that this "Tyranny & Mutation" set is a real thing, with the SFG material on it. But then, who doesn't? -Bryan From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Sep 26 18:03:13 1995 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 18:03:13 -0400 Subject: HW: Rumor: Dave and Nik make-up! Message-ID: In a message dated 95-09-25 16:28:30 EDT, you write: >there's a chance we'll see Nik if they get a >reunion-Hawkon gig together (now if they could get Lemmy too ....) Not if Doug Smith is involved. regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Sep 26 18:14:25 1995 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 18:14:25 -0400 Subject: HW: the weird tapes Message-ID: In a message dated 95-09-25 10:28:17 EDT, you write: >fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK From bchina at CROWN.NET Tue Sep 26 20:49:53 1995 From: bchina at CROWN.NET (bchina at CROWN.NET) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:49:53 -0700 Subject: Spirit of the Age remix Message-ID: Regarding the remixes of Spirit of the Age: >I don't know much about it, but I bought it a few weeks ago. I've only >listened to it once, and I thought it was almost boring. None of the songs >really stood out, or seemed like normal Hawkwind. > >Maybe I should give it another listen... >-kevin Yes, by all means! Granted, the remixes are not terribly similar to the original version, but I'm nevertheless quite pleased with this release. In fact, it is one of my favorites! Who would have suspected that Hawkwind songs would adapt so well to the dance/trance/ambient format? --bchina at crown.net John Majka From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Sep 26 22:16:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 19:16:00 PDT Subject: I have Seen WOTT Message-ID: I have seen WOTT. Eyes was right this is a well prepared package and Sony should be commended for the presentation. It is in a double Jewel case with very good artwork. Between the two disks is a pullout liner note/history of the band. Whats on it? I will not spoil it for those of you who are trying to beat the record store closings or have not had it delivered to your local stores as of yet. Some may be disappointed others will be thrilled. I will say this 1) put me in the thrilled category and 2) I cannot wait to get mine. A(the teaser)B From lansford at VNET.NET Tue Sep 26 15:45:00 1995 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Oyster Girl) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 19:45:00 +0000 Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: On 26 Sep 95, Bryan Irby wrote: > Haven't seen anyone post anything about Workshop of the Telescopes > yet, so I'll say something brief: > > -Nice packaging: cover is inside slip of RBN vinyl (anubis on crypt > thing) Liner notes are essentially the same as CoE. I'll grant that they're somewhat expanded. Lots of nifty pics, though. > -Doesn't appear to be digitally remastered The early tracks do sound cleaner, though. > -Includes the following prev unreleased on CD (well, not officially) > tracks: > Workshop of the Telescopes (from '72 Bootleg EP) > The Red & the Black (from '72 Bootleg EP) Were we really ready for "clean" copies of these? > Buck's Boogie (from Guitars that Destroyed > the World) Notice the writing credits? ;) > Born to Be Wild (studio) (B-side of live > BTBW from OYFOOYK) First time I've heard this. It's ... different. Kinda neat. I suspect my other half'll give it the same "What the duck is that?" look he did a sampler of Brit/French rock I recently inflicted on him. > [snip] > The bizarre inclusion of the SEE cover songs as "BOC's Greatest > Hits" mystifies me a bit, especially considering the fact that > there is only 1 (real) track from T&M, 1 from Mirrors (and not the > best one at that), and 1 from CErectus (again, why the Marshall > Plan..?). In Thee and Here's Johnny were, of course, the singles. > I hope that this "Tyranny & Mutation" set is a real thing, with the > SFG material on it. But then, who doesn't? Ditto. WoT was about what I expected. I can't say I'm disappointed, but I also can't say I'm blown away. Maybe the real problem is that the new Tull album is next on my listening list, and I'm much more in the mood to sink my teeth into some new music than to A/B songs I hum in my sleep. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- It's part of the mentality of society to always concentrate on things that are negative. - Earnest Byner -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net From des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM Wed Sep 27 00:43:24 1995 From: des at RITZ.MORDOR.COM (E F) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 00:43:24 -0400 Subject: workshop In-Reply-To: <9509262153.AA13633@hera.astr.ua.edu> from "Bryan Irby" at Sep 26, 95 04:53:45 pm Message-ID: > > Haven't seen anyone post anything about Workshop of the Telescopes > yet, so I'll say something brief: > > -Nice packaging: cover is inside slip of RBN vinyl (anubis on crypt thing) > > -Doesn't appear to be digitally remastered > > -Includes the following prev unreleased on CD (well, not officially) tracks: > Workshop of the Telescopes (from '72 Bootleg EP) > The Red & the Black (from '72 Bootleg EP) > Buck's Boogie (from Guitars that Destroyed the World) > Born to Be Wild (studio) (B-side of live BTBW from OYFOOYK) So, no remastering, no stuff included out of the back of closets and tape rooms and the only "previously un-available" stuff I (and many on this list) have had for years. My expectations have been reached. :-( I'll probably buy it tomorrow anyway though, otherwise I wouldn't be a fan. --Eric My parents went to the 4th dimension and all I got was a lousy Grybzarch! From riordan at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU Wed Sep 27 01:34:59 1995 From: riordan at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Phillip A Jaeger) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 00:34:59 -0500 Subject: workshop Message-ID: About what I expected. Calling around for the last three weeks, I found only one store with only one copy ordered. This morning: Sorry, it didn't come in. :( Well, good news: A store that two days ago hadn't ordered WOT, got ONE copy in today. :-) I maybe have the only copy in central Texas. phillip a jaeger ==> riordan at mail.utexas.edu =================================================================== if your circles could be spirals? and your idols were machines? you could pick up all the signals, and fly from where you've been. -Are You Receiving Me? Golden Earring ('73) From cp682 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Wed Sep 27 08:33:05 1995 From: cp682 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Lisa Quinn) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 08:33:05 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind allnighter date? Message-ID: Can someone post the date of the Hawkwind allnighter in the UK. A friend of mine might go over the pond for it if the date works out for him. Thanks. Lisa -- Lisa Quinn at cp682 at cleveland.freenet.edu From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Sep 27 09:06:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:06:00 EDT Subject: Spirit of the Age Lyric Message-ID: Sorry to resurrect an "old" thread, but I was away and couldn't get in when it was live. This concerns the android who moans another's name (that sounds like the lyric to me). I always took this as an example of how the spirit of the age (i.e., the advances in technology that were supposed to make life so much better) did not really solve the day-to-day miseries of life. A glitch in software (or the boredom that the advanced AI can get with this guy who thinks it exists solely for his pleasure) is the cause of transferring a once solely human foible on to our machine servitors. Even the machine can fantasize to try to relieve boredom. In other words, in this advanced world of wonders, life still sucks! The whole girlfriend not being frozen bit is another example. She may have used the "parents won't let me be frozen" excuse as a way to "kindly" tell the guy that they were through. A young girl like this would not be expected to remain true while she aged enough to sign the medical papers herself. She may not have been that committed to him as he thought. Just another way that the new age technology lets people bum others out. The tone of resignation that one of the last "well that's just the spirit of the age" lines is sung with reinforces this for me. ( )--(a) (@=@=) \ Rudy the ferret mage O__) \ \___ \ \ (Ever watchful for Hawks from above & beyond) /\ * ) \ From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed Sep 27 14:07:34 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:07:34 BST Subject: Hawkwind allnighter date? Message-ID: > > Can someone post the date of the Hawkwind allnighter in the UK. > A friend of mine might go over the pond for it if the date works > out for him. Thanks. > > Lisa > Saturday the 21st of October, at the Brixton Academy in London. The box office number is 0171 924 9999. bye - Rob From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 27 14:47:36 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:47:36 BST Subject: New Visionary video. Message-ID: Just got this info from someone at Visionary who's online. Unfortunately he confirms that there are no immediate plans to release this on VHS tape. VISIONARY / NEW RELEASE INFORMATION Cat No. VVCD 01 Artist HAWKWIND Title The Chronicle Of The Black Sword Duration 70 mins SRP. 14.99 BBFC Cert. E Barcode 5013929750012 Release Date 23 October 1995 Visionary are proud to announce the release of their first Video CD. A special edition of Hawkwind's celebrated Chronicle of the Black Sword tour footage, presented, for the first time, with the previously unseen encore and full stereo digital soundtrack. This is the first ever serious release of its kind on this new format by an independent label. Track listing SONGS OF THE SWORDS / SEA KING / MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE CHOOSE YOUR MASQUES / NEEDLEGUN / ZARZONIA / BRAINSTORM MOONGLUM / ELRIC THE ENCHANTER / MAGNU / HORN OF DESTINY CODED LANGUAGES / BORN TO GO / UTOPIA / LEVITATION HAWKWIND's classic stage production of "The Chronicle Of The Black Sword" as performed at London's Hammersmith Odeon 1985. Based on the "Elric" stories by Michael Moorcock. featuring TONY CRERAR as "Elric" & KRIS TAIT as "Zarozinia" narration by MICHAEL MOORCOCK The original show is augmented by the four bonus tracks which feature rare footage of Michael Moorcock onstage performing alongside the band. This disc is a "White Book" Video CD and can be played with digital stereo sound on CD-I and MPEG compatible players many thanks for your help. I'll keep you posted on all hawkwind developments in future. If you send me your street address I can put you on the database and send a full catalogue. best wishes -- Richard J.King VISONARY COMMUNICATIONS, PO BOX 30, LYTHAM ST.ANNES, FY8 1RL, ENGLAND http://www.state51.co.uk/state51/visionary/ From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Wed Sep 27 12:21:57 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:21:57 +0000 Subject: hello again -Reply Message-ID: and will promptly disappear - or not having appeared it will disappear without appearing but it may yet appear without having appeared to, at which point its disappearance will be subject to its apparent appearance and it will appear to apparently disappear...... yeah, but if its appearance relies upon its inevitable disappearance then its disappearance has to be confirmed by its a priori appearance , but given that appearances can be deceptive then perhaps its non-appearance was in fact the appearance in which its disappearance was already inscribed. so maybe it has already appeared but has ridden the wrong wave and is stuck between appearance and disappearance; maybe we'll never know til we open the box and find out if the cat is alive or dead (wasn't it schrodinger who let the cat out of the bag?). Time to get back in the box i guess (phew!) as long as no-one's dissing *my* appearance aw/yg (maybe) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 27 12:49:27 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:49:27 -0400 Subject: My visit to the Workshop of Telescopes Message-ID: Well, Bryan and Jean have beaten me to the punch with reviewing WOTT, but I'll give my impressions too. I agree with alot of what they say, but I don't know about Bryan's comment on "no re-mastering". To my ears, there has been much sound improvement made, especially on the early material. The tunes from the first album have never sounded so clear (bass, vocals, and cymbals are particularly "crisp") -- I'm not sure what defines a "re-mastering", but the sound quality has definitely been enchanced over the original CDs. And, as Jean implies, maybe the "Bootleg EP" stuff has been enhanced too much. :-) The package is more or less what I expected -- this is both good and bad: Good - We get better sound quality, some unreleased stuff ("Bootleg EP" and studio "Born to be Wild"), and some nice packaging. We also get the most "complete" package of BOC hits so far. Bad - It is, after all, another compilation. This means there's lots of stuff I don't need another copy of. Also, 2 CDs is, IMHO, NOT sufficient to fully capture BOC (and maybe a future release can supplement this?). There are still some serious sins of omission committed here. Now, for some other, somewhat random comments: 1. First track is "Cities on Flame" -- while not intentional I'm sure, it is nice, and somewhat ironic that the first vocals we here on this collection are those of Albert. 2. While "Buck's Boogie" is listed as being from "Guitars That Destroyed The World", this is also the same track as the "Bootleg EP". That means that 3 of the 4 songs off the "Bootleg EP" where included. As a completist, I would have wished the 4th track, "Cities on Flame" was also in there. I guess Sony figured that they didn't need 2 versions of the same song, and while I agree that the original studio version was better from a sound quality standpoint, from the standpoint of this package being a collectible for BOC fans, the "Bootleg EP" version of "Cities on Flame" should have been included as well. But, perhaps this sin of omission could be corrected if there is a future release. 3. Yes, I noticed the "Buck's Boogie" credit -- my guess this is Bolle's doing? Speaking of Bolle, however, I was surprised that his name was not mentioned (other than the fanclub address) as it was my understanding that alot of the photos (or the objects in the photos) came from his collection. 4. In almost every case, the tracks on *WOTT* are superior from an overall sound quality aspect to every other compilation, including *Cult Classic*. The one exception is "Buck's Boogie", where the version on *CC* is hands down the best. However, no doubt that song was not in Sony's control (*CC* was recorded on Herald records), and besides, we fans want that rare track from 1972 - it has a real raw, "garage band" type of sound, and even a few missed notes. 5. I was originally led to believe that the versions on *WOTT* would be the single, as oppossed to the album versions. Happily, that is not the case, which means I don't have to hear the alternative lyric to "Do it to your daughter on a dirt road" in "Career of Evil". 6. Since "Harvester of Eyes" that was used was from *OYFOOYK*, while "Flaming Telepaths" was from *Secret Treaties*, we don't get that little musicbox bit in-between these songs (as was on *ST*). Worse, because the drums from "Flaming Telepaths" start before the musicbox ends, we do hear a fragment of it before the song starts. This was a bit dissapointing to me. I would have liked them to either have mixed the whole musicbox part in (I think they could have done this), or used the *ST* version of "Harvester of Eyes" as well (the version from *OYFOOYK* is not really a superior version to the *ST* version, IMHO). Also, they could've used the live version of "Flaming Telepaths" which appeared on the b-side of the "Burnin' For You" 12" UK single (the recording was 6/81 at Bonds Casino in New York). 7. Most would agree that the version of "Astronomy" from *Some Enchanted Evening* is a much better version than the studio version from *ST*. 8. First time I heard the studio version of "Born to be Wild" -- I liked it ALOT, but it is quite different than the way I've always heard BOC do it live. This studio version has a definite 70's sound to it, and is, IMHO, very cool 9. "Hot Rails To Hell" is not on the disc set -- this is a serious sin of omission, IMHO. This song was on 2 of their live albums, and was a staple of their sets until Joe's departure from the band. This song, perhaps one of the 2 live versions, should definitely have been included. 10. It is rather interesting to see that almost all of the material on the first of the 2 discs are songs which were released on BOC's first 3 albums. The only exceptions are "Buck's Boogie" and "Born to be Wild", and both of these songs were part of BOC's live sets during this time period. 11. There is only one track from *Mirrors*. Surprisingly, "Dr. Music" was not included in the set (I was expecting the live version which was on the "Burnin' For You" 12" UK single b-side - which was recorded in Nassau Coliseum in New York in 1980) 12. While there was only one single (The Marshall Plan) from *Cultosaurus Erectus*, it would've been nice to have had another song or 2 from this great album. 13. One song was included from *ETL* - "Dominance and Submission". This kind of surprised me. The song is definitely a classic, but I kind of expected "Roadhouse Blues" (with that legendary guest appearance by Robbie Krieger), or "Hot Rails To Hell" (which really needed to be on this disc set). 14. I don't know if I should've been surprised or not, but there was NO songs from *Imaginos*. While the band doesn't do stuff from this album, and while I understand some of what happened between the various parties regarding this album, since *WOTT* was Sony releasing material that it had rights to (via Columbia), and since *Imaginos* was recorded (and singles were released, I believe) under BOC's contract to Columbia, I don't understand why Sony wouldn't have released some of the songs as part of this CD set. And, the liner notes speak rather favorably of this album - "More than twenty years in its creation, more than six years in it's recording. Imaginos! ... One of rock's densest and most erudite concept albums, it could serve well as a doctoral thesis". Gee, after that kind of a description, you would think there would be some songs from that album on this disc set. Hmm . . . 15. Despite my criticisms of the CD set, I really do like it alot, and for anyone who needs a BOC compilation, this is *definitely* the set to get. But, to be complete, my feeling is that Sony should've done at least a 3 CD set so that "Hot Rails to Hell", the bootleg EP version of "Cities on Flame", "Roadhouse Blues", "Dr. Music", another track or two from *Cultosaurus Erectus*, and a few songs from *Imaginos* could have been included. Of course, if I had my way, we would have a box set with probably 7-10 discs which included the SWU/SFG material, some rare live cuts, and some of the other more obscure BOC tunes ("She's As Beautiful as a Foot", "Teen Archer", "Mistress of the Salmon Salt", "Baby Ice Dog", "Tattoo Vampire", "Death Valley Nights", "The Vigil", "Monsters", "Lips in the Hills", "Vengeance (The Pact)", "Shadow of California", "Feel the Thunder", and "Shadow Warrior" all spring to mind - or maybe some live covers like "It Ain't Easy", "Maserati GT", or "Wings of Mercury"?). But, I know that I ask for things that are probably not possible, so I need to be somewhat realistic when I review this package -- and with all of it's shortcomings, *WOTT* definitely is a fine package, and makes all previous BOC compilations somewhat obsolete (well, I still like having the different versions of some songs, not to mention the studio version of "Buck's Boogie" that *Cult Classic* provides). John From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Sep 27 13:41:56 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:41:56 -0400 Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: In a message dated 95-09-27 08:30:12 EDT, you write: >On 26 Sep 95, Bryan Irby wrote: > >> Haven't seen anyone post anything about Workshop of the Telescopes >> yet, so I'll say something brief: >> >> -Nice packaging: cover is inside slip of RBN vinyl (anubis on crypt >> thing) Original cover art would've more exciting...a mystical cover like BOC or T & M would've done the trick... >Lots of nifty pics, though. yeah yeah...EB looks cool with the cape... > >> -Doesn't appear to be digitally remastered > >The early tracks do sound cleaner, though. anyone notice a flaw in the "unreleased tracks"? I think it may have been Buck's Boogie where I thought I hoid a dropout...either that or I bumped the CD player... > >> -Includes the following prev unreleased on CD (well, not officially) >> tracks: >> Workshop of the Telescopes (from '72 Bootleg EP) >> The Red & the Black (from '72 Bootleg EP) > >Were we really ready for "clean" copies of these? > >> Buck's Boogie (from Guitars that Destroyed >> the World) > >Notice the writing credits? ;) yes! good eye! wondering why the Cities on Flame version wasn't from Live Bootleg...kinda odd to exclude 25% of Live Bootleg from this CD set... > >> Born to Be Wild (studio) (B-side of live >> BTBW from OYFOOYK) > >First time I've heard this. It's ... different. Kinda neat. I have this on the truck-stop cassette, which also has the single version of Career of Evil...that version should've been used on this CD, so now I gotta get On Flame With Rock n Roll to get that track on CD... > >> The bizarre inclusion of the SEE cover songs as "BOC's Greatest >> Hits" mystifies me a bit, especially considering the fact that >> there is only 1 (real) track from T&M, 1 from Mirrors (and not the >> best one at that), and 1 from CErectus (again, why the Marshall >> Plan..?). > >In Thee and Here's Johnny were, of course, the singles. you have the entire Secret Treaties album on this CD except for Cagey Cretins...no tracks from Imaginos of course... > >> I hope that this "Tyranny & Mutation" set is a real thing, with the >> SFG material on it. But then, who doesn't? > >Ditto. Ditto : P > >WoT was about what I expected. I can't say I'm disappointed, but I >also can't say I'm blown away. > ditto.... all in all I think it's a good set...a fine set for a "passive" fan, w/ a superb track selection...the live versions of Subhuman and Harvester were excellent picks...however, here are my "peeves" about this set: * Cities on Flame should've been from Live Bootleg, not from the first BOC album * Last Days of May was excluded from the set! this is a tune that got regular airplay on local radio circa Fire of Unknown Origin...don't quite get why this was left off (well, there's alot of stuff IMO was left off, but I'm trying to stay within the concept of this CD set...) * the B side of the 12" Burnin for You contained live versions of Dr Music and Flaming Telepaths, which were not on the set... * Joan Crawford was left off... It would be nice to see a video sidekick for Workshop of the Telescopes, as well as seeing a "new" video (perhaps Born To Be Wild) promo for the CD set itself... I hope to see a "genuine" box-set in the future...SFG, unreleased tracks, live tracks...and I nominate Bolle Gregmar to put this together! R?B? From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 27 18:48:31 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 18:48:31 BST Subject: HW: Lemmy Tracks? In-Reply-To: Simon Hudson's message of Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:46:30 EDT Message-ID: > > Well, Lemmy sings and plays bass (I think) on >"NIght of the Hawks", > and sings on the "Silver Machine" >from the Reading '86 CD. Nearly anything > > I was there at Reading in '86, and it was a great Hawkwind gig, despite > > I'd no idea there was a CD. Can anyone tell me where to get it? > It's the Friday Rock Show CD put out on the BBC's Strange Fruit Label (I think). Probably one of the absolutely worst cover pics ever given to a Hawkwind CD of some Samuri type muscleman with a large sword and a considerable agro. Haven't seen it around for a while so it might have been deleted. Not sure. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Sep 27 19:02:41 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:02:41 BST Subject: HW: the weird tapes In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Sun, 24 Sep 1995 09:29:49 +0100 Message-ID: > I'm right now into a serious sequence of listening through the Weird Tapes, > which I've bought just a few weeks ago. I'm quite surprised with the good > overall sound quality, I'd listen to the _Watchfield & Stonehenge_ boot - > which is a boot of Weird 103 - and that was Bootleg Quality. The Weird 103 > sounded much better. The other live recordings is pretty good too. I'm also > happy with the tape covers... > I think the Watchfield/Stonehenge vinyl is actually a bootleg copy of the Wierd 103 tape (or if it wasn't this one then it was some other). Anyhow Brock didn't take too kindly to this and stopped putting out any more Wierds - a great pity IMO considering that the tape is superior to the vinyl (which anyway was considerably more expensive!). I'd certainly recommend the Wierd tapes to anyone who was interested in getting some early live Hawkwind and I wish he'd do some more! > now some questions: > > 1) does someone knows the story behind the - eh, pretty different - 'Slap it > on de Table' on just mentioned Weird 103 / W&S boot? (is it a studio freak > out?, it don't sounds too live to me...) > Umm - I should have checked this up. I think it's on the Anthology tracklist which means that, if so, then it'll be mentioned in Brian Tawn's booklet that came with it. I don't think there's anything special behind it though - probably studio freakout describes it pretty well! Douglas In The Jungle has some connection to Doug Smith I think - but I hasten to say that I've no idea what! I also understand that Brian Tawn's 'Hawkfan' advertised some of the Wierd Tapes as they were issued so if you've got back copies of those you might be able to get some idea of exact issue dates. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK Wed Sep 27 14:51:03 1995 From: Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK (Norman Beresford) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:51:03 +0100 Subject: Spirit of the Age remix Message-ID: The spirit of the age remixes are IMHO not as good as Assassin, which really blends HW with dance bloody well. The best track has to be the track after the full vocal mix. Of course no version of SotA is going to come close to the version off Live '79. I've a tape at home with that going into Lighthouse which is just perfect for lying back and drifting off into space. I poped into MLM Hanley today and whilst looking for the Area S4 single (no release date at all according to the assistant)I stumbled across an import version of the Solstice remixes. It looked identical to the UK version bar the little bit about Griffin on the back and the import sticker on the front. I think it was about =A35 and if anyone wants it you could probably just phone them for it. Norman From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Sep 27 18:19:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:19:00 PDT Subject: HW: Lemmy Tracks? Message-ID: > Is there any other suggestions where Lemmy is at his best? While your at it, can somebody suggest the best Motorhead cd to get if you've never heard Lemmy's work before. Would appreciate it. AB From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Wed Sep 27 16:45:27 1995 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 13:45:27 -0700 Subject: HW: Lemmy Tracks? In-Reply-To: <3069CF8F@houmg001.shl.com> from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Sep 27, 95 03:19:00 pm Message-ID: > > > Is there any other suggestions where Lemmy is at his best? > > While your at it, can somebody suggest the best Motorhead cd to get if > you've never heard Lemmy's work before. Would appreciate it. My two favorites are probably _Ace of Spades_ and _Another Perfect Day_, although, it's hard to go wrong with Motorhead. Another good live one is _No Sleep 'til Hammersmith_. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Wed Sep 27 16:51:05 1995 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:51:05 -0400 Subject: HW: Lemmy Tracks? In-Reply-To: <3069CF8F@houmg001.shl.com> from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Sep 27, 95 03:19:00 pm Message-ID: AB asks: > > > Is there any other suggestions where Lemmy is at his best? > > While your at it, can somebody suggest the best Motorhead cd to get if > you've never heard Lemmy's work before. Would appreciate it. My favourites are: (not in any particular order) 1-No sleep till Hammersmith (single live CD) 2-Another Perfect Day (warning: melodic guitar lines!) 3-Orgasmatron 4-1916 2 & 4 have more of the mellower side of MH (if there is such a thing), and has better overall songwriting IMHO than many MH albums, which often seem to be put out in a hurry. Orgasmatron (esp. side 2) is just great hard, driving, balls-to-the-wall stuff, and No sleep till Hammersmith (my first exposure to MH, back when it was a new release) is ground-breaking in its approach to concepts of speed, volume, and what might be construed as 'singing'....a true classic live album for all time.... Keith H. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Sep 27 16:51:40 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:51:40 -0400 Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: I'll follow up on a few of ROBODUDE's excellent comments: > Original cover art would've more exciting...a mystical cover like BOC or T & M would've done the trick... I kept turning over differnt images of what the cover might've looked like, but I think the actual cover was o.k. I was just glad it wasn't a picture of the logo in flames ;-) Original artwork? Well, since this production isn't exactly original . . . But, maybe they should've asked Melne to do up something. (Jean asks) >Notice the writing credits? ;) yes! good eye! wondering why the Cities on Flame version wasn't from Live Bootleg...kinda odd to exclude 25% of Live Bootleg from this CD set... I caught that one too, and I definitely agree that the missing track from the Live Bootleg should've been on this set. I do like the original studio version, though - it was a nice solid way to open up a package of BOC's greatest hits. I wouldn't have minded if they had both versions on the disc -- it would've been preferable to leaving off the Bootleg EP version. >I have this on the truck-stop cassette, which also has the single version of Career of Evil...that version should've been used on this CD, so now I gotta get On Flame With Rock n Roll to get that track on CD... What? You don't already have it? ;-) The other "flaw" with that version of "Career of Evil" is that it is missing the second verse - the one that starts: "Pay me I'll be your surgeon - I'd like to pick your brain" Al tells me that this line hadn't occured to him when he was trying to figure out what to call his new band - even though "Career of Evil" was one of the first songs they worked on. He told me this about a year ago I believe -- it's kind of a neat connection though. >...no tracks from Imaginos of course... This isn't obvious to me. Did the band have a certain say in what went into this record? I figured that even so Sony would want to represent this album, which as far as I know they've got the right to publish songs from it. It strikes me as strange that they wouldn't, unless there is a legal reason for doing so. I'm not aware of one, but perhaps someone else can enlighten me. Yes, I'm aware of the fact that Albert really made that album (at least the "core" of it - some tracks were obviously re-done prior to it's release), but I'm looking at this from the record company's point of view -- and I doubt that the matters between Albert and BOC surrounding Imaginos would be any of their concern. What am I missing here? (Bryan, then Jean, then Robo say): >> I hope that this "Tyranny & Mutation" set is a real thing, with the >> SFG material on it. But then, who doesn't? > >Ditto. Ditto : P And a double ditto for me too . . . But not just the SFG stuff, I want the original Soft White Underbelly stuff that was done with Les Braunstein. >* Last Days of May was excluded from the set! How could I have forgotten? This track definitely should've been included! (again, I figured they needed to at least make this a *3* CD set). >* the B side of the 12" Burnin for You contained live versions of Dr Music and Flaming Telepaths, which were not on the set... Yeah, I thought ALL of the a-sides and b-sides were gonna be included. I recall also that there's a b-side of a live version of "Stairway to the Stars". And - what about the promo-only live version of "Godzilla" (It's not Raymond Burr . . . as Eric says in the intro)? And I believe that there is an extended version of "Shooting Shark" which could've been used. Finally, there's the semi-acoustic version of "The Reaper", plus "Gamera is Missing" which are on the "Guitar for Practicing Musicians" CDs, which I believe Sony owned the rights to. These all should've made the cut (again, probably needed that 3rd CD). >* Joan Crawford was left off... Oops, forgot about that one too. A live version of that one would've been good to show off more of Allen's piano-work. >It would be nice to see a video sidekick for Workshop of the Telescopes, as well as seeing a "new" video (perhaps Born To Be Wild) promo for the CD set itself... Excellent idea. >I hope to see a "genuine" box-set in the future...SFG, unreleased tracks, live tracks...and I nominate Bolle Gregmar to put this together! I'll second that - but I'm not sure I'd want to have another collection with some of the stuff that's on *WOTT* - perhaps they could release a companion set to *WOTT* (like a part 2) which could include the stuff that we've mentioned. Then, have them make an offer for folks that have both *WOTT* and the follow-up to get a special "box" to put the whole thing in for a really cool package (I have this vision of a metal box with either a metal or jeweled hinge shaped like the logo which either turns or lifts up to open the box). But I dream again . . . John From kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU Wed Sep 27 16:59:55 1995 From: kalex at EECS.UMICH.EDU (Ken Alexander) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 16:59:55 -0400 Subject: NIK,OTHER: Farflung Message-ID: ObCD: Farflung, _25000 Feet Per Second_ I bought this because someone on boc-l incorrectly stated that Len Del Rio was in it. In fact, it isn't LDR, but is the two *other* guys from Pressurehed. So the tenuous Hawkwind connection is that it has two guys from Nik Turner's Space Ritual. The vocals and guitar sounds are recognizable as Pressurehed, and overall the album sounds like a collection of songs from Pressurehed's albums, played at half speed. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Sep 27 17:48:28 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:48:28 -0400 Subject: HW: Lemmy Tracks? Message-ID: >> Is there any other suggestions where Lemmy is at his best? > >While your at it, can somebody suggest the best Motorhead cd to get if >you've never heard Lemmy's work before. Would appreciate it. > >AB I would recommend "No Sleep til Hammersmith", an excellent live album with incredible raw energy Martyn From lansford at VNET.NET Wed Sep 27 13:42:34 1995 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Oyster Girl) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:42:34 +0000 Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: On 27 Sep 95, John A Swartz wrote: > >...no tracks from Imaginos of course... > > This isn't obvious to me. Did the band have a certain say in what > went into this record? I figured that even so Sony would want to > represent this album, which as far as I know they've got the right > to publish songs from it. It strikes me as strange that they > wouldn't, unless there is a legal reason for doing so. What's the status of the lawsuit Albert filed over Imaginos? Not knowing all the ins and outs of the suit, I suppose it's possible that the legal status of the Imaginos tracks could be somewhat unclear. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- It's part of the mentality of society to always concentrate on things that are negative. - Earnest Byner -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net From lansford at VNET.NET Wed Sep 27 13:42:36 1995 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Oyster Girl) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:42:36 +0000 Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: On 27 Sep 95, Rob Maerz wrote: > >> -Doesn't appear to be digitally remastered > > > >The early tracks do sound cleaner, though. > > anyone notice a flaw in the "unreleased tracks"? I think it may > have been Buck's Boogie where I thought I hoid a dropout...either > that or I bumped the CD player... That's what I was thinking of when I asked if we were really wanted "clean" copies of those tracks. ;) Having been singularly unimpressed with the new Tull album, I'll be going over WotT again tonight. Maybe I'll even have time to A/B some; I thought I caught some notes/riffs that were kind of lost in the static on the album re-releases. Slight topic detour: is it me, or have this year's new releases been generally underwhelming? Trepanation is about the only one I've wanted to listen to repeatedly. > * Last Days of May was excluded from the set! this is a tune that > got regular airplay on local radio circa Fire of Unknown > Origin...don't quite get why this was left off (well, there's alot > of stuff IMO was left off, but I'm trying to stay within the > concept of this CD set...) As well as in 72. It's the first song I really remember hearing on FM radio. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- It's part of the mentality of society to always concentrate on things that are negative. - Earnest Byner -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Wed Sep 27 22:28:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 21:28:00 -0500 Subject: Man, LOOP and Box Sets Message-ID: Hello, I know the UK group Man toured with Hawkwind in the US in 1974 and perhaps 1975?. I just got a tape that I was told was a fan club release called 1999 tour party. They announce the show, :Good evening Chicago. You hear a few people yell HW during a quiet part of C'mon, so I am inclined to think it is 1974? Any Man fans out there know the answer? Also, what do you all know about the band LOOP? I had heard that they were HW influenced, but I just played part of one of their discs this morning and I don't hear it. They are pretty interesting though. Scott P.S. I saw the Workshop of Telescopes last night in Tower records in Harvard SQ. I was a bit disappointed in seeing that there were really only 3 (somewhat) unreleased tunes. We deserve better.. Some of these box sets that have come out, even three disc ones by Janis Joplin (10 rare unreleased tracks), Jefferson Airplane (15-20 rare unreleased tracks), Jethro Tull (multiple rare tracks), King Crimson, etc... but then there are the lamer ones: Ted Nugent (only 3 unreleased tracks), HW Griffin 4 CD box set, only really one unreleased track, Yes (4 CD's) only a few tracks unreleased..... Some you win some you lose..... From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Sep 28 00:55:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 21:55:00 PDT Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: (Bryan, then Jean, then Robo say): >> I hope that this "Tyranny & Mutation" set is a real thing, with the >> SFG material on it. But then, who doesn't? > >Ditto. >Ditto : P > John>And a double ditto for me too . . . But not just the SFG stuff, I want the original Soft White Underbelly stuff that was done with Les Braunstein. AB: If it is a three cd set SFG stuff should be on it. You could fill out two more cd's with the songs that did not make the cut for WOTT including Imaginos. >I hope to see a "genuine" box-set in the future...SFG, unreleased tracks, live tracks...and I nominate Bolle Gregmar to put this together! >I'll second that - but I'm not sure I'd want to have another collection >with some of the stuff that's on *WOTT* - perhaps they could release a >companion set to *WOTT* (like a part 2) which could include the stuff >that we've mentioned. Then, have them make an offer for folks that have >both *WOTT* and the follow-up to get a special "box" to put the whole >thing in for a really cool package (I have this vision of a metal box >with either a metal or jeweled hinge shaped like the logo which either >turns or lifts up to open the box). But I dream again . . . >John AB: Providing T&M is something on the drawing board with Sony, perhaps we are looking at a companion set that will provide BOC as completely as possible. We know the band has some songs that haven't been recorded yet. Five or six of these in the set would make T&M a much better buy than WOTT. Is any one aware of the suggested retail price? Picked up mine from Best Buy for $17.99. What kind of prices are people seeing out there? From bedens at INTELLINET.COM Wed Sep 27 23:24:55 1995 From: bedens at INTELLINET.COM (Bert Edens) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 22:24:55 -0500 Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: > Is any one aware of the suggested retail price? Picked up mine from Best >Buy for $17.99. What kind of prices are people seeing out there? Hastings in Fayetteville (Arkansas) had it listed for $24.99... I can't see it being more than that... CDNow had it listed for list $18.77 or something... Best Buy, as with you, had it for $17.99... - Bert ============================================= Bert Edens - bedens at intellinet.com http://www.intellinet.com/~bedens/home.html ObCD: Brain Surgeons, "Trepanation" ============================================= From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Sep 28 03:17:22 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 03:17:22 -0400 Subject: HW: the weird tapes Message-ID: Where exactly does one find these Weird Tapes? Were they official releases on a record label or something more obscure? And what did Brock have to do with them? Never seen or heard a Weird tape, but they sound great, Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Sep 28 03:31:38 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 03:31:38 -0400 Subject: HW: Lemmy Tracks? Message-ID: Well, no one's mentioned "Overkill" yet, so I'll put in a vote for my personal favorite. I also 2nd "Orgasmatron"...and why not throw "Rock 'N' Roll" in there, too?? Chuck From ceres at SIRIUS.COM Thu Sep 28 03:58:22 1995 From: ceres at SIRIUS.COM (Douglas B. Pearson) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 00:58:22 -0700 Subject: see ya soon (was Re: Man, LOOP and Box Sets) Message-ID: "Scott Heller (617) 724-7762" wrote: > I know the UK group Man toured with Hawkwind in the US in 1974 > and perhaps 1975?. I just got a tape that I was told was a fan club > release called 1999 tour party. They announce the show, :Good evening > Chicago. You hear a few people yell HW during a quiet part of C'mon, > so I am inclined to think it is 1974? Any Man fans out there know the > answer? It would have to have been 1973-1975, but I'd have no idea which year ... > Also, what do you all know about the band LOOP? I had heard that they > were HW influenced, but I just played part of one of their discs this > morning and I don't hear it. They are pretty interesting though. The only similarity I can think of is that both Hawkwind and Loop are heavy guitar bands, serious about properly applying repetition in their music (the same statement could be just as truthfully made about the Velvet Underground, Black Sabbath, or the Ramones so it seems kind of meaningless. Loop broke up several years ago, and guitarist / singer / leader Robert Hanson has subsequently played with God, and formed Main, who take slow drone heavy music down beyond any kind of rock music (he has also professed a loathing for Hawkwind, and cited Can, the Velvet Underground & the Pop Group as influences). I'll be off the list for a week or two while I move across the bay to Oakland (any postal mail sent to my San Francisco address will still reach me), but I'll check email every few days. (anyone still interested in the first pressing of the tribute 2xLP should write me within the next week) hoping at least the Hawkwind EP will be out by the time I'm back ... -Doug ceres at sirius.com From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Thu Sep 28 04:53:52 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 09:53:52 +0100 Subject: Mail Bounce Adrian In-Reply-To: <950927134155_30716618@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Adrian B. Your mail is still bouncing, I was trying to make a small and private confession following your question: > Is there another AB out there? Before I stopped receiving mail > someone signed as AB and the post was not mine. Soooory Ades, it was my idea of a joke! Seemed the thread was all about posting subjects that weren't relevant to the group...I was posting one (as per usual) about something trivial and thought writing stuff claiming to be you - and god forbid offf topic might raise a grin, especially since you have been in trouble before!! I did actually put my own sig at the end (ie it was not anonymous) but you had to page down to see it. Perhaps you could equate the joke to blaming Stephen Swann for everything... in fact it's SS's fault! No offense intended. A(Maxine!)B From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Thu Sep 28 06:32:41 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:32:41 +0100 Subject: BOC: workshop In-Reply-To: <199509272051.QAA15212@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Sep 27, 95 04:51:40 pm Message-ID: > >* the B side of the 12" Burnin for You contained live versions of Dr Music > and Flaming Telepaths, which were not on the set... > > Yeah, I thought ALL of the a-sides and b-sides were gonna be included. > I recall also that there's a b-side of a live version of "Stairway to > the Stars". And - what about the promo-only live version of "Godzilla" > (It's not Raymond Burr . . . as Eric says in the intro)? And I believe > that there is an extended version of "Shooting Shark" which could've > been used. Finally, there's the semi-acoustic version of "The Reaper", > plus "Gamera is Missing" which are on the "Guitar for Practicing > Musicians" CDs, which I believe Sony owned the rights to. These all > should've made the cut (again, probably needed that 3rd CD). What I'd like to see is a Singles A&B collection like Simon Robinson did for Deep Purple. The idea is to collect things like B sides and obscure A side releases (particular the obscure versions that often go out in far flung terratories - the piano version of Speed King springs to mind) onto one volume. This was you have a logical set and people don't just buy duplicates of stuff they already have. The follow through is to do a decent anthology for the occasional BOC listener or for your car which can be more detailed (ie. doesn't miss off Last Days of May) without having to sacrafice space for obscure A/B sides. Again, Simon Robinson's redone DP Anthology is an excellent collection in this respect. Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Sep 28 12:28:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:28:00 BST-1 Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199509272157.AA04663 at vnet.net> I dunno, I don't think I can be bothered with _WotT_ - even the (4 out of 32!) "unreleased" tracks are just different versions of generally available stuff, it's not like they're previously unheard *songs* or anything. All that "museum of cult" stuff, the SFG/SWU songs - I thought there were going to be some of those? Seems like a fair enough compilation, but that's all. Bummer. Jean asks: > Slight topic detour: is it me, or have this year's new releases > been generally underwhelming? Trepanation is about the only one > I've wanted to listen to repeatedly. You mean BOC/HW-and-related stuff? Have to agree - none of _White Zone_, _Strange Trips_, _Nik Turner's Space Ritual_, or _Yassasim_ have exactly set the world alight. IMO. But I hold out hope for _Alien 4_ (that it'll be released this year, that is :). (Crap title though.) There've been some fine off-topic releases, though! (But I won't go into those here, that's what "Ob" is for :) - Andy From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Sep 28 07:49:57 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:49:57 +0100 Subject: BOC: workshop In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:28:00 -0000." Message-ID: > In-Reply-To: Andy G > > I dunno, I don't think I can be bothered with _WotT_ - even the (4 out of > 32!) "unreleased" tracks are just different versions of generally > available stuff, it's not like they're previously unheard *songs* or > anything. All that "museum of cult" stuff, the SFG/SWU songs - I thought > there were going to be some of those? > > Seems like a fair enough compilation, but that's all. Bummer. Indeed. Considerably underwhelming after the pseudo hype of the SFG songs making an appearance. A decent copy of St Cecilia on CD would have got me running (OK, a brisk walk) to the local CD shop, but this - nah, can't be assed. > Jean asks: > > > Slight topic detour: is it me, or have this year's new releases > > been generally underwhelming? Trepanation is about the only one > > I've wanted to listen to repeatedly. > > There've been some fine off-topic releases, though! (But I won't go into > those here, that's what "Ob" is for :) (quickly reformats message ;-) ObCDof95: Young Gods, 'Only Heaven' ObCDof95: Monster Magnet 'Dopes to Infinity' it does age well ObCDof95: White Zombie 'Astro Creep 2000' from what I've heard of it But you got me stumped for any others... Tim From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 28 08:12:25 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:12:25 -0400 Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: Andy says: I dunno, I don't think I can be bothered with _WotT_ - even the (4 out of 32!) "unreleased" tracks are just different versions of generally available stuff, it's not like they're previously unheard *songs* or anything. All that "museum of cult" stuff, the SFG/SWU songs - I thought there were going to be some of those? I'm not sure what you mean by "all that museum of cult stuff" -- I thought that most of the pictures in the liner notes and the picture on the back of the stage passes were probably from the museum. I don't seem to recall what more was promised in this regard. Certainly not songs which have not made it to an album? As far as the SFG/SWU songs, it would have been nice for those to have been on WOTT, but Sony (based on what the blurb this summer in ICE magazine said) did not state that that stuff would be in WOTT - they hinted at doing more stuff later, including some live material and the SFG stuff -- and they are working with the band on this. Again, I think that alot of that will hinge on the commercial success of WOTT. Which means, the only way that we might see that follow-up happen is we all go buy a copy, and maybe a few for our friends a relatives (Christmas will be here before you know it). Although, I must say - if you want to buy your friends or relatives a good Christmas present, send 'em a copy of *Trepanation* too. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 28 08:15:03 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:15:03 -0400 Subject: BOC in Illinois Message-ID: Just got an e-mail from someone in Illinois, saying BOC will be playing at the Synergy in West Chicago on Saturday night (9/30/95). This date may not have been listed on the web pages, so I thought I'd pass it along. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 28 08:17:25 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:17:25 -0400 Subject: BOC and Charlie Grace Message-ID: This supposedly happened last week when I was on vacation so maybe it was discussed already, but . . . I got an e-mail today from someone and said that "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" was played somewhere on the season premier of ABC's "Charlie Grace". Did anyone see this? Was it like part of the theme music? Something someone on the show was playing? Should I tune in tonight to hear for myself? John From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 28 14:36:49 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:36:49 BST Subject: Hawkwind Discography Update Message-ID: Here's the latest discography updated for the latest released (no sign of the Alien stuff yet though). If whoever takes care of these things could forward it on to wherever these things get made available to ftp and the Web... Anyway, a couple of requests from me. Could Paul Ward send me a file containing all his album reviews if he's done 'em all by now. I'll replace my rather dull file with his if so. Also the discography is still a bit lacking in the solo and ex-members stuff since I'm not an expert on all the ex-members. There's no Lemmy entry for example. So could those of you who know you're stuff about particular ex-members please check the discography, update entries you can improve and send me the updates. The style is fairly obvious. Thanks FoFP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hawkwind Discography, Rev.32 27th September 1995 ------------------------------------------------- Table of Contents: 1. Albums by Hawkwind (& Hawklords) 2. Singles (all) 3. Solo projects & associated bands 4. Compilation & miscellaneous albums 5. The 8 Weird Tapes 6. Hawkvideo 1. Albums by Hawkwind (& Hawklords) ----------------------------------- 1970 Hawkwind (Liberty/UA) (re-released as ltd. edn. pic disk 1980) Hurry On Sundown (Brock) The Reason Is? (Brock) Be Yourself (Brock) Paranoia Part I (Brock) Paranoia Part II (Brock) Seeing It As You Really Are (Brock) Mirror Of Illusion (Brock) 1971 In Search Of Space (UA) (orig. with foldout sleeve contained booklet: The Hawkwind Log. Spanish LP contains extra track - Silver Machine) You Shouldn't Do That (Brock/Turner) You Know You're Only Dreaming (Brock) Master Of The Universe (Turner/Brock) We Took The Wrong Step Years Ago (Brock) Adjust Me (Hawkwind) Children Of The Sun (Anderson/Turner) 1972 Doremi Fasol Latido (UA) (orig. contained Star Rats poster. The Japanese Version with gatefold cover and extra track: Silver Machine. Brainstorm (Turner) Space Is Deep (Brock) One Change (Dettmar) Lord Of Light (Brock) Down Through The Night (Brock) Time We Left This World Today (Brock) The Watcher (Kilminster) 1972 Glastonbury Fayre (with various artists) (Revelation) * contains live version of Silver Machine, Lemmy vocals * no other HW songs 1972 Greasy Trucker's Party (UA) Master of the Universe Born To Go * this version of Born to Go was edited down for * the German single 1972 BBC Transcription Disc - Brian Matthews Show live [Hawkwind tracks] Brainstorm (live) Silver Machine (live) 1973 BBC Transcription Disc LP live Countdown Born to Go The Black Corridor Seven by Seven Brainstorm Master of the Universe Paranoia Earth Calling Silver Machine Welcome to the Future 1991 Hawkwind: Space Rock from London [remix of BBC Transcription disc] [Live BBC Session 14/10/72 - very good quality] Countdown Born to Go The Black Corridor Seven by Seven Brainstorm Master of the Universe Paranoia Earth Calling Silver Machine Welcome to the Future 1991 The BBC Radio Disc CD (Windsong) [BBC Recording from 1972, broadcast 1973] Countdown Born to Go The Black Corridor Seven by Seven Brainstorm Master of the Universe Paranoia Silver Machine Welcome to the Future 1973 Space Ritual Alive (Liberty/UA) (Live double album. Contained open-out sleeve) Earth Calling (Calvert) Born to Go (Brock/Calvert) Down Through the Night (Brock) The Awakening (Calvert) Lord of Light (Brock) The Black Corridor (Moorcock) Space is Deep (Brock) Electronic #1 (Dettmar) Orgone Accumulator (Brock/Calvert) Upside Down (Brock) 10 Seconds of Forever (Calvert) Brainstorm (Turner) 7 by 7 (Brock) Sonic Attack (Moorcock) Time We Left This World Today (Brock) Master of the Universe (Brock/Turner) Welcome to the Future (Calvert) 1974 Hall Of The Mountain Grill (UA) Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear In Smoke) (Brock Wind Of Change (Brock) D-Rider (Turner) Web Weaver (Brock) You'd Better Believe It (Brock) Hall Of The Mountain Grill (House) Lost Johnny (Kilminster/Farren) Goat Willow (Dettmar) Paradox (Brock) 1975 Warrior On The Edge Of Time (UA/Liberty) (original with 'shield' sleeve) Assault & Battery (Part I) (Brock) The Golden Void (Part II) (Brock) The Wizard Blew His Horn (Moorcock/House/King/Powell) Opa-Loka (Powell/King) The Demented King (Brock) Magno (Brock) (track is Magnu, this is a typo on the track list) Standing at the Edge (Moorcock/House/King/Powell) Spiral Galaxy 28948 (House) Warriors (Moorcock/House/King/Powell) Dying Seas (Turner) Kings of Speed (Brock/Moorcock) Motorhead (CD only) 1976 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music (Charisma) Reefer Madness (Brock/Calvert) Steppenwolf (Brock/Calvert) City Of Lagoons (House) The Aubergine That Ate Rangoon (Rudolph) Kerb Crawler (Brock/Calvert) Kadu Flyer (Mandelkau/House/Calvert) Chronoglide Skyway (Powell) 1976 Roadhawks (UA) (studio material w/remixes by Brock) (Originally gatefold with poster. German re-release as part of Masterpiece series with different sleeve. UK re-release as part of Nice Price series.) Hurry On Sundown (Brock) Paranoia (Excerpt) (Brock) You Shouldn't Do That (Brock/Turner) Silver Machine (Brock/Calvert) Urban Guerilla (Brock/Calvert) Space Is Deep (Brock/Calvert) Wind Of Change (Brock/Calvert) The Golden Void (Brock/Calvert) 1977 Quark Strangeness And Charm (Charisma) (With sleeve insert. German version comes with colour negatives of Hawkwind in concert.) Spirit Of The Age (Brock/Calvert) Damnation Alley (Calvert/Brock/House) Fable Of A Failed Race (Brock/Calvert) Quark Strangeness And Charm (Brock/Calvert) Hassan I Sabha (Calvert/Rudolph) The Forge Of Vulcan (House) Days Of The Underground (Brock/Calvert) Iron Dream (King) 1978 PXR5 (Charisma) [original with wrongly-wired plug on cover] Death Trap Jack Of Shadows Uncle Sam's On Mars Infinity Life Form Robot High Rise PXR5 1978 Hawklords - (Charisma) (Released under Hawklords name due to band split and legal/contractual reasons. Some copies have a picture inner sleeve. There is also a version in a slightly different outer sleeve.) PSI Power (Calvert/Brock) Free Fall (Calvert/Bainbridge) Automation (Calvert/Brock) 25 Years (Brock) Flying Doctor (Calvert/Brock) The Only Ones (Brock/Calvert) (Only) The Dead Dreams Of The Cold War Kid (Calvert) The Age Of The Micro Man (Calvert/Brock) 1979 Hawkwind Live (Bronze) (British release as Live '79) Shot Down In The Night (Swindells) Motorway City (Brock) Spirit Of The Age (Brock/Calvert) Brainstorm (Turner) Lighthouse (Blake) Master Of The Universe (Brock/Turner) Silver Machine (Requiem) (Brock/Calvert) 1980 Levitation (Bronze) (original release was on blue vinyl) Levitation (Brock) Motorway City (Brock) Psychosis (Bainbridge) World Of Tiers (Bainbridge/Langton) Prelude (Blake) Who's Gonna Win The War (Brock) Space Chase (Langton) The Fifth Second Of Forever (From The Film) (Langton/Brock) Dust Of Time (Brock/Bainbridge/Langton) Nuclear Toy [Griffin CD Only] 1982 Church of Hawkwind (RCA) (originally with booklet) Angel Voices (Brock/Bainbridge) Nuclear Drive (Brock) Star Cannibal (Brock) The Phenomenom of Luminosity (Brock) Fall of Earth City (Brock/Bainbridge/Langton) The Church (Brock/Langton) The Joker at the Gate (Brock/Bainbridge) Some People Never Die (Brock) Light Specific Data (Brock) Experiment with Destiny (Bainbridge/Brock) The Last Messiah (Brock/Bainbridge) Looking in the Future (Brock) 1994 Church of Hawkwind (Griffin) CD Angel Voices (Brock/Bainbridge) Nuclear Drive (Brock) Star Cannibal (Brock) The Phenomenon of Luminosity (Brock) Fall of Earth City (Brock/Bainbridge/Langton) The Church (Brock/Langton) Identimate (Brock) Some People Never Die (Brock) Damage of Live (Brock) Experiment with Destiny (Bainbridge/Brock) Mists of Meridin (Davey/Brock) Looking in the Future (Brock) Joker At the Gate (Brock/Bainbridge) Light Specific Data (Brock) The Last Messiah (Brock) 1981 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line (New York 1978) (Festival) Hassan I Sabha Brainstorm Steppenwolf High Rise Robot Spirit of the Age Sonic Attack 1981 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 Master of the Universe Motorway City Shot Down in the Night Virgin of the World Angels of Death Magnu Dust of Time Psi Power Sonic Attack Who's Gonna Win the War? * Cassette Release by CND 1981 Sonic Attack (RCA) Sonic Attack Rocky Paths Psychosonia Virgin of the World Angels of Death Living on a Knife Edge Coded Languages Disintegration Streets of Fear Lost Chances 1982 Church of Hawkwind (RCA) [originally with booklet] Angel Voices Nuclear Drive Star Cannibal The Phenomenom of Luminosity Fall of Earth City The Church The Joker at the Gate Some People Never Die Light Specific Data Experiment with Destiny The Last Messiah Looking in the Future 1982 Choose Your Masques (RCA) Choose Your Masks Dream Worker Arrival In Utopia Utopia Silver Machine Void City Solitary Mind Games Farenheit 451 The Scan Waiting For Tomorrow 1982 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield (Festival Records) * Later re-released as "Hawkwind: Alive and Kicking" [This pressing is a bootleg of the Weird 103 tape] 1982 Friends And Relations - Hawkwind (Flicknife) Who's Gonna Win The War (Hawklords) (Brock) Golden Void (Sonic Assasins) (Brock) Robot (Hawkwind) (Brock) Raj Neesh (Inner City Unit) (ICU) Good Girl Bad Girl (Deep Fix) (Moorcock/Pavli) Valium Ten (Hawkwind) (Bainbridge/Brock) Human Beings (Inner City Unit) (ICU) Time Centre (Deep Fix) (Moorcock/Pavli) 1983 Friends And Relations II (Flicknife) (Twice Upon A Time) Earth Calling We do It Spirit of the Age The Changing (Bainbridge) Phone Home Elliot (Turner/Brock/Bainbridge) Work (Griffin) Man With the Golden Arm (Turner) Motherless Children (Brock) 1985 Friends And Relations III Psychedelia Lives Drug Cabinet Key [Flying Doctor] Wired Up For Sound (Brock) The Widow Song (Calvert) Toad on the Road (Alman Mulo Band) When the Going Gets Tough (Brock) Vampire (Stravinsky Shoe) Canes Venatici (Underground Zero) 1988 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Flicknife] [compilation from all 3 Friends & Relations LP's] Who's Gonna Win the War? Robot Spirit of the Age Psychedelia Lives Canes Venatici (Underground zero) Rajneesh (Inner City Unit) Time Centre (Deep Fix) The Changing (Harvey Bainbridge) Work (Martin Griffin) Wired Up For Sound (Dave Brock) Vampire (Stravinsky Shoe) Toad On The Road (Alman Mulo Band) Mothereless Children (Dave Brock) Valium Ten 1993 The Best of Hawkwind Friends and Relations CD [Anagram] [different compilation from Flicknife] Spirit of the Age (Hawkwind) Raj Neesh (Inner City Unit) Robot (Hawkwind) Canes Venatici (Underground Zero) Dodgem Dudes (Michael Moorcock's Deep Fix) Golden Void (Sonic Assassins) Lord of the Hornets (Robert Calvert) Motherless Children (Dave Brock) Sweet Mistress of Pain (Hawkwind Zoo) Social Alliance (Hawkwind) Outside the Law (The LLoyd Langton Group) Time Centre (Michael Moorcock's Deep Fix) Vampire (Stravinsky's Shoe) Over the Top (Sonic Assassins) Space Invaders (Inner City Limit) Psy Power (Hawkwind) 1995 Hawkwind Friends and Relations - The Rarities CD [Anagram] Aimless Flight (Underground Zero) Psychedelia Lives (Hawkwind) Working Time (Lloyd Langton Group) Rainbow Warrior (Underground Zero) Brothel In Rosenstrasse (Mike Moorcock's Deep Fix) Toad On The Road (Alman Mulo Band) Earth Calling (Hawkwind) The Changing (Harvey Bainbridge) The Widow Song (Robert Calvert) Starcruiser (Mike Moorcock's Deep Fix) I.C.U (Inner City Unit) I See You (Lloyd Langton Group) Human Beings (Inner City Unit) Atom Bomb (Atom God) Phone Home Elliot (Uncle Nik And The E.T's) 1983 Zones (Flicknife) [also released as pic disk] Zones Dangerous Vision Running Through The Back Brain The Island (aka Dust Of Time) Motorway City Utopia 84 Social Alliance Sonic Attack Dream Worker Brainstorm 1983 The Text Of Festival: Live 1970-2 (Illuminated/DemiMonde) (live early tracks) [sides 1 and 2 reissued as In The Beginning] Master Of The Universe Dreaming Shouldn't Do That Hurry On A Sundown Paranoia See It As You Really Are I Do It Sound..Shouldn't..Improvise... [You Shouldn't Do That] Improvise..Compromise..Reprise. [Paranoia and Be Yourself] * Comments: "Came Home" is listed but doesn't appear on the album. The CD lists the last track but it is really the 2nd last track misnamed. The last track is missing from the CD. 1984 Stonehenge (This Is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic) (Flicknife) (live) [LP & EP] Psy Power Levitation Circles (aka The Fifth Second Of Forever) Space Chase Death Trap Angels Of Death Shot Down In The Night Stonehenge Decoded Watching The Grass Grow 1985 In The Beginning (Live "Top Gear" BBC Session 1970) (Demi-Monde) (Sides 1 and 2 of Text of Festival. Re-issued on CD 1993 as Master Of The Universe and again 1994 as In The Beginning) * Comments: very poor sound quality Master Of The Universe (Brock/Turner) Dreaming (Brock) Shouldn't Do That (Brock) Hurry On A Sundown (Brock) Paranoia (Brock) See It As You Really Are (Brock) I Do It (Brock) Came Home (Brock) 1985 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin (Demi Monde)(live) [all tracks are from early tapes] Gaga In The Egg (narration) Orgone Accumulator Wage War (narration) Urban Guerrilla Master Of The Universe Welcome To The Future Sonic Attack Silver Machine 1985 Space Ritual II (American Phonograph) live Space Ritual from different Space venues Orgone Accumulator Upside Down Sonic Attack Time We Left 10 seconds of Forever Brainstorm Seven by Seven Master of the Universe Welcome to the Future 1985 Ridicule (Obsession) (also Live 1973) (Reissue of Side 2 of Space Ritual II. Re-released 1990) comments: excellent quality recording of live, no print dates. printer : Obsession Benelux 85 (another marking says OBLP 1) UK distribution : Jungle/Cartel 10 Seconds Of Forever (Calvert) Brainstorm (Turner) Seven By Seven (ADBrock) Master Of The Universe (Brock/Turner) Welcome To The Future (Calvert) 1985 Live '70/'73 (Castle Dojo) [live early tracks] [reissued as Welcome To The Future] In The Egg Orgone Accumulator Welcome To The Future Master Of The Universe Sonic Attack Seven By Seven Wage War Urban Guerilla Only Dreaming Hurry On A Sundown 1985 Welcome To The Future (Mausoleum Records) [reissue of Live '70/'73] In the Egg Orgone Accumulator Welcome to the Future Master of the Universe Sonic Attack Seven by Seven Wage War Urban Guerilla Only Dreaming Hurry On Sundown 1985 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword (Flicknife) Song Of The Swords Shade Gate The Sea King The Pulsing Cavern Elric The Enchanter Needle Gun Zarozinia The Demise Sleep Of A Thousand Tears Chaos Army Horn Of Destiny * Comments: * Flicknife CD also has "Arioch", "Assault & Battery" (Live), * and "Sleep of A Thousand Tears" (live). * Dojo CD also has "The War I Survived (live)" and * "Voice Inside My Head (live)". * Griffin CD also has "Arioch", "The War I Survived (live)", * and "Voice Inside My Head (live)". 1986 Live Chronicles (GWR) (live) Song Of The Swords (Brock) Dragons And Fables (Langton) Narration (Bainbridge) The Sea King (Langton) Angels Of Death (Brock) Shade Gate (Bainbridge) Rocky Paths (Langton) Narration (Brock) The Pulsing Cavern (Bainbridge/Davey) Master Of The Universe (Brock/Turner) Dreaming City (Langton) Choose Your Masques (Brock/Moorcock) Fight Sequence (Brock/Bainbridge) Needle Gun (Brock) Zarozinia (Brock/Tait) Lords Of Chaos (aka The Demise) (Brock/Bainbridge) The Dark Lords (Brock/Bainbridge) Wizards Of Pan Tang (Davey/Thompson/Langton) Moonglum (Friend Without A Cause) (Langton) Elric The Enchanter (Davey) Conjuration Of Magnu (Brock) Magnu (Brock) Dust Of Time (Brock/Bainbridge/Langton) Horn Of Fate (Brock) 1994 Live Chronicles (Griffin) 2CD The Chronicle of the Black Sword (Moorcock) Song of the Swords (Brock) Dragons and Fables (Langton) Narration (Brock) The Sea King (Langton) Dead God's Homecoming (Moorcock) Angels of Death (Brock) Shade Gate (Bainbridge) Rocky Paths (Langton) Narration (Elric The Enchanter Part One) (Brock) The Pulsing Cavern (Davey/Bainbridge) Master of the Universe (Brock/Turner) Dragon Song (Moorcock) Dreaming City (Langton) Choose Your Masques (Brock/Steele) Fight Sequence (Brock/Bainbridge) Assault and Battery (Brock) Sleep of a Thousand Tears (Brock) Zarozinia (Brock/Tait) Lords of Chaos (The Demise) (Brock/Bainbridge) The Dark Lords (Brock/Bainbridge) Wizards of Pan Tang (Brock/Davey/Bainbridge/Langton/Thompson) Moonglum (Friend Without A Cause) (Langton) Elric The Enchanter (Part Two) (Davey) Needle Gun (Brock) Conjuration of Magnu - Magnu (Brock) Dust of Time (Langton) The Final Fight (Moorcock) Horn of Fate (Destiny) (Brock) 1986 Hawkfan 12" (Hawkfan) Countdown Ejection The Human Race (Dark Empire) Synprovisation (Syndrome) Ghost Dance Tale of the Entropy Tango (Deep Fix and Brian Tawn) The Competition (Hawkwind and Brian Tawn) Aimless Flight (Underground Zero) * Produced by Brian Tawn of "Hawkfan" 1986 Bristol Custom Bike Show (GWR) * Only two HW tracks Master Of The Universe Silver Machine 1986 Independent Days, Vol. I 10" (Flicknife) Hurry On Sundown Motorway City Motorhead Over the Top Who's Gonna Win the War? Social Alliance 1986 Independent Days, Vol. II (Flicknife) Night Of The Hawks Dream Dancers Dragons And Fables Arioch Kiss Of The Velvet Whip Angels Of Death Kings Of Speed Watching The Grass Grow Assault And Battery Sleep Of 1000 Tears 1987 Out And Intake (Flicknife) (Picture inner sleeve) Turner Point (Turner/Griffin/Brock) Waiting for Tomorrow (Langton) Cajun Jinx (Bainbridge/Brock/Thompson/Davey) Solitary Mind Games (Langton) Starflight (Brock/Bainbridge) Ejection (Calvert) Assassins of Allah (Calvert/Rudolph) Flight to Maputo (Bainbridge/Brock/Thompson/Davey) Confontation (Bainbridge/Brock/Thompson/Davey) 5/4 (Langton/Bainbridge) Ghost Dance (Bainbridge) Coded Languages |Not on vinyl. Warrior on the Edge of Time |CD/cassette extras 1987 Hawkwind Box Set - The Official Picture Log Book (Flicknife) This contains picture discs (Covers) of * This is Hawkwind Do Not Panic * Chronicle of The Black Sword * Out & Intake plus a plain 12" disc containing an interview with Hawkwind also a biography booklet and button 1987 Early Daze (Thunderbolt) (Early live tracks all previously reissued) Hurry on Sundown (Brock) Dreaming (Brock) Master of the Universe (Brock/Turner) Gaga (doesn't exist on vinyl) In the Egg (Calvert) Orgone Accumulator (Brock/Calvert) Sonic Attack (Moorcock) Silver Machine (Brock/Calvert) 1988 The Xenon Codex (GWR) (orig with stencil-cut foldout cover) Also availabe as a picture disc The War I Survived (Davey/Brockmusic) Wastelands Of Sleep (Brockmusic) Neon Skyline (Davey) Lost Chronicles (Bainbridge) Tides (Langton) Heads (Brockmusic) Mutation Zone (Bainbridge/Brockmusic) EMC (Bainbridge) Sword Of The East (Davey) Good Evening (Hawkwind) 1988 Zones/Stonehenge CD (Flicknife) [contains Zones album and some tracks from Stonehenge album] Zones Dangerous Vision Running Through The Back Brain The Island Motorway City Utopia 84 Social Alliance Sonic Attack Dream Worker Brainstorm Psy Power Levitation Circles (aka The Fifth Second Of Forever) Space Chase Death Trap 1988 Hawkwind Live (German CD: Imtrat) (Same as Space Ritual II) Space (Brock) Orgone Accumulator (Calvert/Brock) Upside Down (Brock) Sonic Attack (Moorcock/Hawkwind) Time We Left (Hawkwind) 10 seconds of Forever (Hawkwind) Brainstorm (Turner) Seven by Seven (Calvert/Brock) Master of the Universe (Brock/Turner) Welcome to the Future (Calvert/Brock) 1988 Traveller's Aid Trust (with various artists) (Flicknife) (Hawkwind tracks from Frodo Baggins Festival 1988, featuring Turner) Brainstorm Stonehedge 88 (Hawkwind) Blue Dreamer (Hawkwind) Damage of Life (Agents of Chaos) Even the Air is Dreaming (Ozric Tentacles) To Do with Circles (Ozric Tentacles) [ on LP only] I&I (Rhythmites) Guiding Star (Rhythmites) Safe Zone (Tubilah Dog) Making Love on the Telephone (Tubilah Dog) Messed Up (Culture Shock) Civilisation (Culture Shock) Cats Mother (Hippy Slugs) I Know Jah Will Guide (Israel Movement) Try Hard (Israel Movement) Gateway Take-Away (Screech Rock) Baby You're a Scab (Screech Rock) Johnny Briggs (Radio Magolia) Calling All Crows (2000 DS) Washing [Silver] Machine (Nik Turner) 1990 Space Bandits (GWR) Images (Brock/Davey/Wishart) Black Elk Speaks (Brock/Black Elk) Wings (Davey) Out Of The Shadows (Brock/Davey/Buckley) Realms (Davey) Ship Of Dreams (Brock) T.V. Suicide (Bainbridge) 1991 Palace Springs (GWR) (live) Back in the Box (Hawkwind '89) Treadmill (Brock) Void of Golden Light (Brock) Lives of Great Men (Brock) Time We Left (Brock) Heads (Brock/Neil) Acid Test (Bainbridge) Damnation Alley 1991 The Golden Void (Live at Glasgow Apollo 19/10/82. 1000 made but sleeve says 500. Bootleg) Choose Your masks Coded Languages Magnu Dust of Time Waiting for Tomorrow Angels of Death Ghost Dance The Golden Void Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear In Smoke) 1991 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords (CD with book) TV Suicide (Dr. Technical & the Hawks) Blue Shift (Dr. Technical & the Hawks) Back in the Box (Dr. Technical & the Hawks) Paranoia (Dr. Technical & the Hawks) Assassins of Allah (Dr. Technical & the Hawks) Images (Dr. Technical & the Hawks) Hi Tech Cities (Dr. Technical & the Hawks) 1992 Live At Reading '86 CD (Raw Fruit) Magnu Angels of Death The Pulsing Cavern Assault and Battery Needle Gun Master of the Universe Utopia Brainstorm The Fifth Second of Forever Dream Worker Assassins of Allah Silver Machine 1992 Electric Tepee [Double] (GWR) LSD (Davey/Chadwick) Blue Shift (Davey) Death of War (Brock/Rowntree) The Secret agent (Brock) Garden Pests (Brock/Davey) Space Dust (Davey) Snake Dance (Brock/Davey/Bridge/Chadwick) Mask of The Morning (Brock) Rites Of Netherworld (Brock) Don't Understand (Brock/Davey/Chadwick) Sadness Runs Deep (Brock) Right to Decide (Brock/Davey) Going to Hawaii (Davey/Brock/Chadwick) Electric Teepee (Brock) 1992 The Hawklords Live CD pic disc (Griffin) 25 Years (Brock) High Rise (Calvert/House) Death Trap (Calvert/Brock) Spirit of the Age (Brock/Calvert) Sonic Attack (Moorcock) Over the Top (Brock/Calvert) 1992 California Brainstorm CD Void's End Ejection Brainstorm Out of the Shadows Eons {Snake Dance} Night of the Hawks TV Suicide Back in the Box Assassins of Allah Propaganda Reefer Madness Images [Cyclone CD only] 1992 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 (Jugoslavia. Live bootleg) Utopia The Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear In Smoke) Motorway City Ejection Shot Down in the Night Master of the Universe Spirit of the Age 1992 Orgasmatron CD (Cargo) live The Right Stuff (ECT TV Soundtrack 16.4.85) Angels of Death (ECT TV Soundtrack 16.4.85) New Jerusalem (Ipswich 4.12.79) Starfarers Despatch (Spirit Of The Age) (Birmingham Kinetic Playground 12.12.71) Master of the Universe (Birmingham Kinetic Playground 12.12.71) Mask of Morning (Brighton 24.4.92) Images (Bournemouth Academy 2.7.90) Brainstorm (Stonehenge 20.6.84) Magnu (Crystal Palace 24.8.85) Shot Down In The Night (Hammersmith Odeon 22.4.88) Silver Machine (not listed on CD track lisitng) 1993 Gimme Shelter [Rock CD 4 -track Charity compilation] Gimme Shelter [track by Hawkwind and Samantha Fox] 1993 Live - St.Albans 1979 CD (UK winter tour 1979. Bootleg) Who's Gonna Win The War? World of Tiers New Jerusalem Lighthouse Shot Down In The Night Motorway City Spirit of The Age Urban Guerilla 1993 Lord of Light CD Lord of Light Seven by Seven Paradox You'd Better Believe It The Right Stuff (Calvert) Ejection (Calvert) The Weighing of the Heart and Negative Confession (Turner) 1993 Undisclosed Files (live 1984 and 1989) Orgone Accumulator Sonic Attack Watching The Grass Grow Damned By The Curse of Man Master of the Universe [LP only] Ghost Dance [CD only] Coded Languages [Different versions on LP and CD] Ejection Motorway City Dragons and Fables Heads Angels of Death 1993 It Is The business of the Future to be Dangerous It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous Space is their (Palestine Tibet is not China (I) Tibet is not China (II) Let Barking Dogs Lie Wave upon Wave Letting in the Past The Camera that Could Lie 3 or 4 erections in the Course of a Night Techno Tropic Zone Exists Gimme Shelter Avante 1993 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed CD bootleg (sleeve notes: Recorded 18/5/92, Latin Quarter, Detroit but probably recorded at Bochum, Germany) Needle Gun Starflight Ejection Time We Left Blue Shift The Right Stuff Out of The Shadows Snake Dance Night of the Hawks Levitation You Know You're Only Dreaming Arrival In Utopia Golden Void Paranoia Hassan I Sahba LSD 1993 Decide Your Future EP Right To Decide The Camera That Could Lie Right To Decide Radio Mix (Alien Prophets) Hashishin (Astralasia) 1994 Assassins of Allah LP bootleg Master of the Universe Born To Go Silver Machine Welcome to the Future Assassins of Allah Master of the Universe Silver Machine 1994 Dawn of Hawkwind CD bootleg Silver Machine Brainstorm Master of the Universe Announcements Born To Go Silver Machine Welcome to the Future Dawn/Sunrise Frisco Jam Silver Machine/Paranoia Master of the Universe Needle Gun 1994 Rock City bootleg CD It Is The Business of the Future To Be Dangerous Letting In The Past Tibet is not China (Part 1) Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke) Sputnik Stan Green Finned Demon You Shouldn't Do That The Golden Void Assassins of Allah Space is their (Palestine) Quark, Strangeness and Charm Right To Decide 1994 The Cyberspace Conspiracy (LP bootleg of Live Legends Video) Assault and Battery The Golden Void Out of the Shadows Snake Dance Arrival in Utopia Ejection Damnation Alley Wind of Change 1994 Quark Strangeness and Charm CD single & 12" EP (The Emergency Broadcast System) Uncle Sam's on Mars (Red Planet Radio Mix) Quark Strangeness and Charm Black Sun Uncle Sam's on Mars (Martian Conquest Mix) 1994 The Business Trip 2LP & CD (The Emergency Broadcast System) Altair Quark Strangeness and Charm LSD The Camera That Could Lie Green Finned Demon Do That The Day A Wall Came Down Berlin Axis Void of Golden Light Right Stuff Wastelands The Dream Goes On Right to Decide The Dream Has Ended This Future Terra Mystica (vinyl only) 1995 White Zone (By The Psychedelic Warriors) Am I Fooling (Brock/Davey/Chadwick) Frenzzy (Brock) Pipe Dreams (Brock) Heart Attack (Brock) Time and Space (Brock/Davey) The White Zone (Brock) In Search of Shangrila (Brock) Bay of Bengal (Brock) Moonbean (Chadwick) Window Pane (Davey) Love in Space (Davey) 2. Singles (all) ---------------- 7 Inch, 12" and EPs: Hurry on Sundown/ Mirror of Illusion 1970 (Liberty) Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 1972 (UA) - 2 pic covers: original "monkey" cover and black-on-white Doremi Logo - Many international releases in different pic covers. Hurry on Sundown/Master of the Universe/Silver Machine/Orgone Accumulator [ US double 7" EP] Lord of Light (edited)/ Born to Go (edited Greasy Truckers version) - [German release] 1973 Urban Guerilla/ Brainbox Pollution 1973 (UA) - many international releases in different pic sleeves Urban Guerilla/ Urban Guerilla (US Stereo/mono single) Silver Machine/ Urban Guerilla [German UA release] Sonic Attack 1974 [White label promo disc - one sided - in cloth bag] Paradox (edited)/ You'd Better Believe It (edited) 1974 (UA) - (both on "Stasis" compilation) [German release] Silver Machine/ 7 by 7/ Lord of Light/ Born to Go [German double single] Psychedelic Warlords/ It's so Easy 1974 (UA) Psychedelic Warlords/ Hall of the Mountain Grill/ D-Rider/ Wind of Change [ US EP (UA-SP-109) 1974] Kings of Speed/ Motorhead 1974 (UA) pic sleeve - many international releases with different pic sleeves Kings of Speed/ Kings of Speed (US Stereo/Mono single) Kerb Crawler/ Honky Dorky 1975 (two different lables) Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" reissue 1976 Back on the Streets/ The Dream of Isis 1976 (Charisma) pic sleeve Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Forge of Vulcan 1977 (Charisma) Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Iron Dream 1977 (European Charisma) Hassan I Sabha/Fable of a Failed Race 1977 (French Charisma) Hassan I Sabha/Damnation Alley Part 2 1977 (Italian Charisma) pic sleeve Psi Power/ Deathtrap 1978 (Charisma) Psi Power/Psi Power [US long version/short version 7"] Psi Power/Psi Power [US 12" single (both long version)] Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven pic sleeve 7" 1978 (black on white Doremi print) Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 12" 1978 silver-sleeve Doremi logo 25 Years/ Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid 7" 1979 (Charisma) 25 Years/ PXR5/ Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid 1979 12" EP on grey vinyl (some issued accidentally on black vinyl) Shot Down in the Night/ Urban Guerilla 1980 (Bronze) pic sleeve Who's Gonna Win the War?/ Nuclear Toy 1980 (Bronze) pic sleeve - 2 diff labels Motorhead/ Valium Ten 1981 (Flicknife) pic sleeve Motorhead/ Valium Ten 1981 12" (Flicknife) 2 diff pic sleeves Angels of Death/ Trans Dimensional Man 1981 (RCA) pic sleeve Sonic Assassins (Festival) 12" EP 1981 [live recording from '77] (Flicknife) Over the Top/ Free Fall/ Death Trap Hawkwind Zoo 12EP (Flicknife) 12" EP 1981 pic sleeve and plain sleeve Hurry On Sundown/ Sweet Mistress of Pain/ Kings of Speed (live) Silver Machine (original)/ Silver Machine (Masques version)/ Psychedelic warlords 1982 (RCA) pic sleeve Silver Machine (original)/ Silver Machine (Masques version)/ Psychedelic Warlords - (10th Anniversary release pic disc (doremi) 1982 Who's Gonna Win the War?/ Time of (CND Benefit Disc) 1982 (Flicknife) pic sleeve Motorway City/ Master of the Universe 1983 (Flicknife) pic sleeve Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 1983 (Pic Disc Warrior) Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" 1983 (UA) pic sleeve (white on black Doremi print) Silver Machine/ Seven By Seven (live version) 12" 1983 (UA) pic sleeve (white on black Doremi print) Hurry on Sundown/ Dodgem Dude (Moorcock)/ Lord of the Hornets (Calvert) - Last Chance EP 1983 (Flicknife) pic sleeve Night of the Hawks/ Green Finned Demon 1984 (Flicknife) pic sleeve The Earth Ritual Preview 12" EP (Flicknife) Night of the Hawks (Stonehenge)/ Green Finned Demon/ Dream Dancers/ Dragons & Fables Needle Gun/ Arioch 1985 (Flicknife) pic sleeve Needle Gun 12" EP 1985 (Flicknife) Needle Gun/ Arioch/ Song of the Swords Zarozinia/ Assault and Battery 1986 (Flicknife) pic sleeve Zarozinia 12" EP 1986 (Flicknife) Zarozinia/ Assault and Battery (Live 1985)/ Sleep of 1000 Years (Live 1985) Motorhead/ Hurry on Sundown 1986 (Flicknife) Silver Machine/Magnu 7" 1986 (Samurai) pic sleeve Silver Machine/ Magnu (Motorbike shaped pic disc) 1986 (Samurai) (some were left uncut in clear circular disc) Silver Machine (live) 12" EP 1986 (Samurai) Silver Machine/ Magnu/ Angels of Death Assassins of Allah (1987 freebie in issue 7 of Italian "Vinile" magazine) (Polish postcard versions of: Silver Machine, You Shouldn't Do That, Urban Guerilla, Space Is Deep, Hurry On Sundown, Paranoia, Down Through The Night, Earth Calling, Upside Down) Right To Decide (10" Promo) 1992 Spirit of the Age (Solstice Remixes of Spirit of the Age by Astralasia) 1993 CD single & 12" [put out under Hawkwind name] 3. Solo projects & associated bands ----------------------------------- I. Dave Brock 1969? The Buskers (EMI) [LP pressing of a buskers concert featuring pre-Hawkwind Brock] [only one Brock track] Bring it on Home 1983 Social Alliance/ Raping Robots in the Street - (also on pic disc with "Zones" cover) 1983 Zones/ Processed (Hawkfan release) 1984 Earthed to the Ground (Flicknife) Earthed To The Ground Assassination Green Finned Demon Spirits Sweet Obsession Oscillations Machine Dream Now Is The Winter Of Our Discontent On The Case 1988 The Agents of Chaos (Flicknife) Hi Tech Cities A Day In the Office Hades Deep Words of a Song Heads Nocturne Wastelands of Sleep Empty Dreams Into the Realms Mountain in the Sky 1989 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos [Flicknife CD] [Compilation of "Earthed to the Ground" and "The Agents of Chaos"] [Two songs missing - Into the Realms & Mountain in the Sky] Earthed to the Ground Assassination Green Finned Demon Spirits Sweet Obsession Oscillations Machine Dreams Winter of Our Discontent On the Case Hi-Tech Cities A Day In the Office Hades Deep Words of a Song Heads Nocturne Wastelands Empty Dreams 1995 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Hearing Aid Test White Zone U.F.O. Line Space Pipe Dream Self Something's Going On Bosnia Parasites Are Here On Earth Gateway It's Never Too Late La Forge Encounters Dave Brock also appeared on: Get Out on the Road [by Dumpy's Rusty Nuts - Features track "Hawkwind"] Blues Anytime Volume 2. [Dave on two Dharma Blues Band tracks] Dealing With The Devil Roll 'em Pete White Boy Blues CD (Castle) [with Dharma Blues Band] Roll 'em Pete II. Robert Calvert 1973 Ejection/Catch a Falling Starfighter 7" (UA) 1974 Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters [LP, CD] (UA) Franz Joseph Strauss, Defence Minister, reviews the Luftwaffe in 1958. Finding it somewhat lacking in image potential. The Aerospaceage inferno Aircraft salesman (a door in the foot) The Widow Maker Two test pilots discuss the Starfighter's performance The Right Stuff Board Meeting (seen through a contract lense) The song of the Gremlin (part one) Ground crew (last minute reassembly before take off) Hero with a Wing Ground Control to pilot Ejection Interview I resign The song of the Gremlin (part two) Bier Garten Catch a falling Starfighter 1975 Lucky Leif and the Longships (UA) Ship Of Fools (Calvert) The Lay Of The Surfers(Calvert) Voyaging To Vinland (Calvert) The Making Of Midgard (Calvert) Brave New World (Calvert) Magical Potion (Calvert) Moonshine In The Mountains (Calvert) Storm Chant Of The Skraelings (Calvert) Volstead O Vodeo Do (Calvert) Phase Locked Loop (Calvert) Ragna Rock (Calvert) 1979 Cricket Star (floppy single) (Wake Up Records) 1980 Lord of the Hornets/ Greenfly and the Rose 1980 7" (Flicknife) 2 pic sleeves 1981 Hype LP (A Side/See For Miles) 2 different sleeves Over My Head (Calvert) Ambitious (Calvert) It's the Same (Calvert) Hanging out on the Seafront (Calvert) Sensitive (Calvert) Evil Rock (Calvert) We Like to be Frightened (Calvert) Teen Ballad of Deano (Calvert) Flight 105 (Calvert) The Luminous Green Glow of the Dials of the Dashboard (at Night) (Calvert) Greenfly and the Rose (Calvert) Lord of the Hornets (Calvert) 1985 Freq [LP] (Flicknife) Ned Lud (Calvert) Talk 1 Acid rain (Calvert) Talk 2 All the Machines are Quiet (Calvert) Talk 3 Standing on the Picket Line (Calvert Talk 4 The Cool Courage of Bomb Squad Officers (Calvert) Talk 5 Work Song (Calvert) 1986 Test Tube Conceived [LP, CD] In Vitro Breed The Rah Rah Man Telekinesis I Hear Voices Fanfare for the Perfect Race On Line Save Them From the Scientists Fly on the Wall Thanks to the Scientists Test Tube Conceived 1987 The Cellar Tapes 1 [cassette only] 1987 The Cellar Tapes 2 [cassette only] 1989 Robert Calvert at the Queen Elizabeth Hall (Live 1980) Evil Rock Catch a Falling Starfighter Gremlins Aerospaceage Inferno Test Tube Conceived Working Down a Diamon Mine All the Machines are Quiet Work song Telekinesis Acid Rain Lord of the Hornets * Clear Records Memorial Album 1992 Revenge [cassette] Revenge Bugatti Fascism/Futurism Isadora Turn the Tape Over Vol.2 1992 Freq Revisited CD (Flicknife) ned ludd talk 1 acid rain talk 2 all the machines are quiet talk 3 picket line talk 4 the cool courage of the bomb squad officers talk 5 work song lord of the hornets the greenfly and the rose 1992 Blueprints From The Cellar CD (BGO) (The Cellar Tapes I & II) All The Machines Are Quiet (Calvert) Work Song (Calvert) Subterraneans (Calvert) Soweto (Calvert) Radio Egypt (Calvert) Over The Moon (Calvert) Hidden Persuasion (Calvert) Re-Wind (Calvert) Working Down a Diamond Mine (Calvert) Thanks To The Scientists (Calvert) I Hear Voices (Calvert) Acid Rain (Calvert) Fly On The Wall (Calvert) Standing On The Picket Line (Calvert) The Ra Ra Man (Calvert) Ned Ludd (Calvert) Marathon Man (Calvert) Bob Calvert also appeared on: "Die Losung" by Amon Duul "Down to Earth" by Nektaar "The Owl and The Tree" by Gong "Mazin Ennit" by John Stevens Away [1976] "Ersatz" by Imperial Pompadours [with Inner City Unit] "Distances Between Us" by Adrian Wagner III. The Huw Lloyd-Langton Group 1977 Widowmaker - Too Late to Cry [UA/Jet] Too Late to Cry The Hustler What a Way to Fall Here Comes the Queen Mean What You Say Something I can Do Without Sign the Papers Pushin' and Pullin' Sky Blues 1978 Widowmaker [JET LP15] Such a Shame Pin a Rose on Me On the Road Straight Faced Fighter Ain't Telling You Nothing When I met You Leave the Kids Alone Shine a Light on Me Running Free Got a Dream 1983 Wind of Change/ Outside the Law 7" (Flicknife) 1983 Outside The Law [LP (Actually HLL solo album: Flicknife. (Originally with free single. Recorded Live Brentford '83) Outside the Law (M. Lloyd Langton) Five to Four (H. Lloyd Langton) Talk to You (M. Lloyd Langton) Rocky Paths (M. Lloyd Langton/H. Lloyd Langton) Space Chase (H. Lloyd Langton) Waiting for Tomorrow (H. Lloyd Langton/M. Lloyd Langton) Mark of Gain (H. Lloyd Langton) Psychedelic Warlords (Brock) 1984 Working Time/I See You 7" [free with Outside the Law LP] ???? [Widowmaker] Pin A Rose On Me/On the Road 7" (Jet) 1984 Dreams that Fade Away/ It's On Me (12 inch only, Ultra Noise 1984) 1985 Night Air (Flicknife) Night Air Before is Over Got your Number Painted Evergreen Fur Kirsty Diseased Society Alien Jiggers Lonely man Candle Burning Lunar-Tic 1986 Like An Arrow (Straight Through The Heart) LP (Gas) (Two different sleeves) Strange Times I Could Cry (All tracks credited to Like An Arrow H. Lloyd-Langton and So Long Waiting M. Lloyd-Langton) On The Move No Mans Land Voices That Fade Wars Are The Hobby There Take A Back Step In Their Eyes Can You Feel 1986 Like An Arrow [LP] (Gas) Strange Times I Could Cry Like An Arrow So Long Waiting On The Move No Mans Land Voices That Fade Wars Are The Hobby There Take A Back Step In Their Eyes Can You Feel 1986 Like An Arrow (Straight Through The Heart) LP (Gas) (Two different sleeves) Strange Times I Could Cry (All tracks credited to Like An Arrow H. Lloyd-Langton and So Long Waiting M. Lloyd-Langton) On The Move No Mans Land Voices That Fade Wars Are The Hobby There Take A Back Step In Their Eyes Can You Feel 1988 Space, Time and L.L.G. (GWR) It's A Work of Art Walk A While In the Sun Spoonful of Injustice Mirror Image Could Be A Poor Man Market of Death Can We Be Free Night Crusader I Can See The Day Break City of the Future 1991 Elegy CD (Allegro) Shine A Light (H. Langton) The Night's Young (H & M. Langton) Nature Calls (H & M. Langton) Damn Shame (H.Langton) Little Girl (H. Langton) Bird of Fantasy (H & M. Langton) Farewell (H.Langton) Angel of Ice and Steel (H.Langton) Crazy Days (H.Langton) Elegy (H.Langton) 1994 River Run Huw Lloyd-Langton also played on: "The Blue Zone" by Nic Potter [1990] IV. Nick Turner's Inner City Unit 1979 Solitary Ashtray/So Try Asid 7" (Riddle) 1980 Paradise Beach/Amyl Nitrate 7" (Riddle) 1980 Pass Out (Riddle) Space Invaders Watching the Grass Grow Polyethylene Solitary Ashtray OB City Muse Brainstorm (Man) Cybernetic Love Cars Eat With Autoface Fallout Nuclear Waste Master the Universe Amyl Nitrate 1981 Beer, Baccy, Bingo & Benidorm/In the Mood 7" (Avatar) 1981 Bones of Elvis/Sid's Song 7" (Avatar) 1981 Maximum Effect (Avatar) (Features Capt. Sensible of The Damned) Bones of Elvis (Reeves/Turner) Man of Steel (Turner/Thoms/Reeves) Beer, Baccy, Bingo & Benidorm (Reeves/Thoms/Turner/Erba) Virgin Love (Turner/Reeves/Thoms/Erba) Two Worlds (Thoms/Reeves) In The Mood (Nude) (Razas/Garland) Epitaph to the Hippies (Thoms) Sid's Song (Reeves) Night Life (Reeves/Thoms/Turner) Remember (Walking in the Sand)/Margate Beach (Romeo/Turner) Skinheads in Leningrad (Thoms/Turner) Metal (Turner/Thoms) 1982 Raj Neesh/Human Beings 7" 1982 Punkadelic [Reprinted a couple of tracks off the now deleted _Pass Out_] (Flicknife) Watching the Grass Grow Space Invaders Polyethylene Cars Eat With Autoface God Disco Disco Tango Gas Money Alright on the Flight Blue Rinse Haggard Robot Bildeborg 1984 New Anatomy (Demi Monde) [also features Dave Anderson] Young Girls (Turner) Convoy (Reeves/Turner/Pond) Beyond the Stars (Pond) Help Sharks (Turner/Reeves) Birdland (Reeves) Lonesome Train (On A Lonsome Track) (Moore/Sabotsky) Forbidden Planet (Turner/Reeves) Stop the City (Reeves/Langdon) Doctor Strange (Reeves/Turner) Wildhunt (Turner/Reeves) Hectic Electric 48K (Pond) (Also titled Spectrum Program, Load It Don't Hate It. A computer program for the Sinclair Spectrum which gives details about ICU.) 1985 The President's Tapes (Flicknife) Stonehenge, Who Knows? (Reeves/Turner) President's Tape (Reeves/Pond/Lee/Turner) Newspeak (Reeves/Pond/Lee/Turner) Europeville (Reeves/Turner) Fungus Among Us (Unknown) ICU (Reeves/Thoms) World of LSD (Unknown) Bigfoot (Pond) Zodiac (Reeves) 1985 Blood and Bone 12" (Jettisoundz) Blood and Bone (Pond/Reeves/Turner/Lee) Hurricane Fighter Plane (Thomson/Cunningham/Barthelme) Brand New Cadillac (Taylor) Paint Your Windows White (Reeves/Pond/Turner/Lee) Little Black Egg (Conlon) 1982 Ersatz - Imperial Pompadours - (Features ICU, Robert Calvert, Pete Pavli, Barney Bubbles and Krankschaft Kabaret) (Pompadour) The Crusher (Nolan) See You Soon Baboon (Unknown) Don't Fool With Fu Manchu (Stone/Schatz) Brand New Cadillac (Taylor) I Want To Come Back From LSD (Unknown) Little Black Egg (conlon) Moo Goo Gai Pan (Slay/Crewe) I Took A Trip On A Gemini Spacecraft (Cowboy) Light Show (Kar) Chicken (Smith/Goldsmith) There's A Fungus Among Us (live) (Unknown) I'm A King Bee (live) (Moore) Black Leather Trousers and Motorcycle Boots (live) (Lieber/Stoller) Insolence Across The Nation - Live At Krankschaft Kabaret (Imperial Pomapdours) 1989 Passout [Oldhitz CD OLD 001] Space Invaders Watching The Grass Grow Polly Ethylene Solitary Ashtray O.B. City Muse Brainstorm Cybernetic Love Cars Eat With Autoface Fallout Nuclear Waste Master Of The Universe Amyl Nitrate us tracks:] Paint Your Windows (Demo Version) Spirit Of The Age (Live, Salford University, 19th February 1985) Bones Of Elvis (As track 14) Rock N Roll (Live, Solihull 1981) Space Invaders (Early live demo version) Zodiac (Rehearsal, Blackboard London '85) Stonehenge (As track 18) Costa Del Dub (Essex, Feb 86) Nik Turner's Hawkwind: 1995 Nik Turner's Space Ritual Ghost Dance Watching The Grass Grow D-Rider Master Of The Universe Sonic Attack Thoth King God Rock - Slo Blo Serenade Throw Away the Rind Utopia 2000 Brainstorm Ejection The Awakening The Right Stuff Armour For Everyday Nirbrasion Annasion You Shouldn't Do That TV As Eyes Orgone Accumulator Silver Machine 1995 Thoth (Pyramid Power Mix)/ Lunar Sea 7" White Label [with Simon House] Nik Turner's Pinkwind 1995 Festival of the Sun [Live CD at The Mill, Preston 30/8/93] God Rock Cosmic Rock & Roll Stonehenge '95 Silver Machine Master of the Universe Rainbow Ron Call of the Tribes Video 1985 Blood and Bone - with 3 tracks Inner City Unit Tape Bootlegs: 1981 Stonehenge [Recorded 21/6/81, excellent quality] [Needs songlist] 1985 Manchester Cloud Nine Club [Video exists, high quality bootleg] [Needs songlist] Nik Turner's Sphynx: 1978 Unreleased Studio Material, November 1978 [Cassette release] On the Edge Sonic Savages Devas Holographic Lover Waves Chronological Crime Aggro Otters Autumn Desire Morning Ginger Atlantis 1986 Xitintoday The Awakening (Life on Venus) The Pyramid Spell The Hall of Double Truth Anubis Thoth Horus Isis & Nepthys Osiris God Rock (The Awakening) 1993 Prophets of Time [Also features Simon House] Prophecy (Del Rio, Grenas, fox) Watching the Grass Grow (Turner) Children of the Sun (Turner,Anderson) Strontium 90 (Turner) Communique (Turner) Chances Lost (Moorcock, Del Rio, Grenas, Fox) Stonehenge, Who Knows? (Turner) Cybernetic love (Turner) Armor For Everyday (Moorcock, Del Rio, Grenas, Fox) Bones of Elvis (Turner) Walking in the Sky (Turner, Del Rio, Grenas, Fox) Lunar Sea (House) Fallout (Turner) Andromeda (Bubbles, Del Rio, Grenas, Fox) Space Station Announcement (P.Orrige, Del Rio, Grenas, Fox) 1993 Sphynx CD (Cleopatra) (re-recorded version of Xitintoday) The Awakening (Turner/James) Thoth (Turner/Del Rio/Grenas/Creed) God Rock (Turner/James) Anubis (Turner/Del Rio/Grenas) Isis and Nephthys (Turner/Del Rio/Grenas) Pyramid Spell (Turner/James) Osiris (Turner/James) The Hall of double Truth (Turner/James) The Weighing of the Heart and Negative Confession (Turner/James/Grenas/Del Rio/Creed) Horus (Turner/Del Rio/Grenas) Original Sounds From The Great Pyramid (Turner) Nik Turner also plays on: Terminal Velocity LP [Big Amongst Sheep] Astroprop EP [Big Amongst Sheep] The Game [Sham 69] Tell the Children/Jack 7" [Sham 69] Fairy Tales [Mother Gong 1979] Nuclear Waste/Digital Love 7" [Radio Actors 1979] Nuke/Nuclear Waste [Fast Breeder and The Radio Actors] 39 Converts [The New Blood Transmission, 1988] V. Michael Moorcock's Deep Fix 1975 The New World's Fair (UA) Candy Floss Cowboy Candy Floss Cowboy (demo) [CD Only] Fair Dealer Octopus Sixteen Year Old Doom You're a Hero Song for Marlene Come to the Fair Starcruiser [CD Only] In the Name of Rock and Roll Ferris Wheel Last Merry Go Round Dude's Dream (Rolling in the Ruins) Brothel In Rosenstrasse [CD Only} 1980 Dodgem Dude/ Starcruiser 7" (Flicknife) 1982 The Brothel In Rosenstrasse/ Time Centre 7" (Flicknife) only 500 made 1992 The Brothel in Rosenstrasse [cassette] The Brothel in Rosenstrasse Good Girl, Bad Girl Another Quiet Day in Auschwitz At the Time Centre Turn the Tape Over Vol.1 Mike Moorcock also played on: Lucky Leif and the Longships [Bob Calvert] Hype [Bob Calvert] VI. Tim Blake 1977 Crystal Machine (Egg) Midnight Metro Logic Last Ride of the Boogie Child Synthese Intemporel Crystal Presence 1978 Blake's New Jerusalem (Barclay Towers/Egg - with insert and lyrics) Song for a New Age Lighthouse Generator - Laser Beam Passage Sur La Cite Des Revelations Blake's New Jerusalem * (*****GREAT***** electronic album) 1977 Sintesis Intemporel 1/Sintesis Intemporel 2 [Spanish 7"] (Egg) 1978 Generator - Laser Beam/Woodland Voice [7" single] (Egg) 1991 Magick CD (Voiceprint) A Magick Circle Tonight The Strange Secret of Ohm-Gliding A Return to Clouds Waiting for Nati A Dream More Magick With You Tim Blake also appeared on: "Flying Teapot" by Gong "Angels Egg" by Gong "You" by Gong "Gong Live Etc." by Gong "Vive Gong...Gong Est Mort" by Gong "Live at the Bataclan 1973" by Gong "Live at Sheffield 1974" by Gong "Clearlight Symphony" by Clearlight "Les Contes Du Singes Fou" by Clearlight "Surf/Birdsong" single by Saratoga Space Messengers "Fish Rising" LP with Steve Hillage "It's All Too Much"/Shimmer" 7" with Steve Hillage (Tim B-side only) "Delereid Chameleon Family" LP (label is Pathe/Marconi - French) "Paragong Live '73" by Paragong "V" Compilation (Virgin 1975) VII. Steve Swindells (ex keysman) 1974 Messages (RCA) Miles Away Again Energy Crisis The Earl's Court Case Living In Sin I don't Like Eating Meat Shake Up Your Soul Surrender I Can't See Where the Light Switch Is Messages from Heaven 1974 Energy Crisis/Shake Up Your Soul 7" 1980 Fresh Blood (Atco-Warner Bros) Turn It On, Turn It Off Fresh Blood I Feel Alive Low Life Joe Bitter and Twisted Don't Wait On the Stairs Is It Over Now? Down on Love Street Figures of Authority Shot Down In the Night 1980 Shot Down in the Night/It's only one Night of Your Life 7" (Atco) [with Simon King and Huw LLoyd Langton] 1980 Turn it On, Turn it Off/Low Life Joe 7" (Atco) [with Simon King and Huw LLoyd Langton] VIII. Del Dettmar Melodic Energy Commission (Del Dettmar) - Synthesis Return of Wolf Chicks Experiment # 28 It's an Idea Improvisation # 1 Out There Somewhere Back on Course Planets in Transit ???? M=E/C^2 ???? Melody is Energy/Night Rhythm 7" 1979 Stranger in Mystery (Energy) Silver Spider Scientific Stranger in Mystery Day on gate Street - Then Night No Familiar Planets Tonight Song of the delatron Revise the Scene 1980 Migration of the Snails [Paul Rudolph also appears on this one] (Energy) Plight of the Dodo Galloop Periwinkle Street Rider From Nempett Thrubwell Escargot Off on a Current Gastropods in Transit Doorway into Summer IX. Alan Davey 1987 Solar Jig/Cosmic Dawn 7" (from Brian Tawn) 1987 Chinese Whispers/Ode to a Bass Assassin/The Switch 7" (Brian Tawn) 1987 The ELF EP Double 7" Solar Jig Cosmic dawn Chinese Whispers Ode to a Bass Assassin The Switch (Don't Touch) Alan Davey also featured on: Firkin Well Live [Dumpy's Rusty Nuts - has tracks "Hawkwind" and "Silver Machine"] X. Harvey Bainbridge ???? Made in Cornwall [Ark] 1983 Mamissi [Alman Mulo band] cassette only 1985 Orisha [Alman Mulo band] cassette only Electonique Too Late! A Touch Like Ice Let Up! Choko Drives In (Toad On The Road) Antario Old Man From Japan Partie D'Afrique Automind 1986 Invisible warrior [Alman Mulo band] cassette only 1991 Afrodiziac [Alman Mulo band] cassette only (Taste) It's up to You (intro) Cinshe Bane It's up to You It Could be Day Water What's in it for Me? All at Sea Peaches are Free Warriors of Ancient Times Say Goodbye No Hay Calabaza 1993 Interstellar Chaos [cassette only] (Taste) Mistiness in Orion Caught in an Interstellar Net 1 Caught in an Interstellar Net 2 Cosmic Junk Clouds of Venus Dense Dust The Sun in Hydrogen Light Gravitational Pull Voyager II Voyager I In the Wake of Passing Clouds Heading: Cygnus X-1 Sunspot in H-Alpha Light Light Curve Star Cloud Cosmic Bubble Lost Orbit 1994 Diamonds and Toads [Alman Mulo Band] (Taste) CD Nolo Asaqui Just Knockin' Look At His Face Smart Drinks in the DNA Lounge An Integrated Smart Dream Emergency Battersea Power Station To Hell in a Handbag Hammer That Nail Gone Home XI. Adrian Shaw 1972 Laughs & Thrills [Magic Muscle] cassette album only 19?? Gulp (Magic Muscle, also with Simon House. Initial copies came with a poster) Frank Hailer Of Taxis Spaced And Displaced Pipecall Umbrellamental Psymonic Leaders 1987 Two True Believers [Jellymasters, with Simon House] 1988 The Pipe, The Roar, The Grid [Magic Muscle Band] 1989 One Hundred Miles Below [Magic Muscle, also with Simon House] 1991 Aerial Dance [Adrian Shaw] XII. Dave Anderson 1970 Yeti [Amon Duul II] 1972 Hawk Meets Penguin [Amon Duul II] 1982 Meetings with Menmachines, Inglorious Heroes of the Past [Amon Duul II] 1985 Ballet Dancer [by 4X] 1986 Back Against The Wall [Groundhogs] Dave Anderson also appeared on New Anatomy [Inner City Unit] XIII. Keith Hale 1974 To Keep From Crying [Comus] ???? Blood Donor [Blood Donor] ???? Rubber Revolution/Chemical babies 7" [Blood Donor] Keith Hale also played in Toyah Wilcox's band XIV. Simon House 1970 Precious Cargo Live Jam [High Tide] 19?? Gulp (Magic Muscle, also with Adrian Shaw. Initial copies came with a poster) Frank Hailer Of Taxis Spaced And Displaced Pipecall Umbrellamental Psymonic Leaders ???? Interesting Times [High Tide] ???? High Tide 3 [High Tide] cassette only 1980 Sinister Morning [Denny Gerrard] 1984 Sea Shanties [High Tide] 1984 High Tide [High Tide] 1986 Interesting Times [High Tide] 1987 Two True Believers [Jellymasters, with Adrian Shaw] 1989 One Hundred Miles Below [Magic Muscle, also with Adrian Shaw] ???? Lodger [David Bowie] ???? Boys Keep Swinging 7" [David Bowie] ???? Music From MacBeth [Third Ear Band] ???? Experiences [Third Ear Band compilation] ???? Stage [David Bowie] ???? Tin Drum [Japan] Simon House also appeared on: "Revenge" by Robert Calvert "Prophets of Time" by Nik Turner "Thoth (Pyramid Power Mix)/Lunar Sea 7" White label by Nik Turner XV. Simon King ???? Groupie Girl/Gigging Song 7" [Opal Butterfly] (Polydor) ???? Mary Anne With the Shaky Hand/My Gration Or? 7" [Opal Butterfly] 19?? Shot Down in the Night/It's only one Night of Your Life 7" [with Steve Swindells and Huw LLoyd Langton] 1980 Turn it On, Turn it Off/Low Life Joe 7" [with Steve Swindells and Huw LLoyd Langton] XVI. Alan Powell ???? Cryin' Over You/Lowlife 7" [Jo Allen And The Shapes] (415 Records) ???? I'm Sorry I'm Sorry/Delay 7" [Tanz Der Youth] (Radar Scope Records) XVII. Crum 1994 Detonator [Moonloonies] Energy Temple Autowave Oort Coud Epsilon Cloned Isostasis Crispy Cosmic Luggage Hear Mass Transfer Skullduggery Skyways Orbital Detonator Celtic Tree 4. Compilation & miscellaneous albums ------------------------------------- 1974 US Forces Radio album featuring Hawkwind & Jefferson Starship [AFRTS 1974] (The Hawkwind tracks were:) Psychedelic Warlords Wind of Change Hall of the Mountain Grill Paradox 1977 Rock On {Hawkwind/Van Der Graaf Generator, Swedish album on Philips} Damnation Alley Quark, Strangeness, and Charm Days of the Underground Kerb Crawler 1977 Masters of the Universe (Compilation) (UA) Master Of The Universe Brainstorm Sonic Attack Orgone Accumulator It's So Easy Lost Johnny 1979 Repeat Performance (Compilation) [US LP called "Rock Legends" with different cover] Kerb Crawler Back on the Streets Quark, Strangeness, and Charm Spirit of the Age Steppenwolf 25 Years Psi Power The Only Ones High Rise Uncle Sams on Mars The Dream of Isis [cassette and "Rock Legends" LP only] 1983 Hawkwind - Victoria double album * This was a Spanish album rereleased in Britain by Flicknife. It has * mostly Flicknife releases on it: Side 1 [This is the Hawkwind Zoo EP] Hurry on Sundown Sweet Mistress of Pain Kings of Speed Side 2 Who's Gonna Win the War Robot Motorhead Valium Ten Side 3 Rajneesh (Inner City Unit) Golden Void Human Beings (Inner City Unit) Side 4 [this is the Sonic Assassins EP] Over the Top Free Fall Death Trap 1985 Utopia 1984 Material from ERP, Stonehenge, and Zones (Mausoleum) Levitation (Brock) Circles (Brock/Langton) Space Chase (Langton) Zones (Brock) Motorway City (Brock) Night Of The Hawks (Brock) Dragons And Fables (Langton) Utopia 1984 (Brock/Turner) Social Alliance (Brock) Watching The Grass Grow (Turner) 1985 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I LP (Samurai) reisued as Acid Daze 1 High Rise (Calvert/Brock) British Tribal Music (Brock/Bainbridge/Swindells/King) Spirit of the Age (Calvert/Brock) Urban Guerilla (Calvert/Brock) Masters of the Universe (Brock/Turner) World of Tiers (Bainbridge) Who's Gonna Win the War (Brock) Ghost Dance (Bainbridge) 1986 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II LP (Samurai) reissued as Acid Daze 2 Earth Calling (Calvert) Motorhead (Kilminster) Watchfield Festival (Hawkwind) Magnu (Hawkwind) Angels Of Death (Brock) Hashcake '77 (Hawkwind) Quark Strangeness And Charm (Hawkwind) Douglas In The Jungle (Hawkwind) 1986 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP (Samurai) reissued as Acid Daze 3 Dealing With The Devil (Williamson) Bring It On Home (Dixon) Hurry On Sundown (Brock) Came Home (Brock) We Do It (Hawkwind '71) Born To Go (Brock/Calvert) Space Is Deep (Brock) You Shouldn't Do That (Brock/Turner) Seeing It As You Really Are (Brock) 1986 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I CD (Samurai) High Rise British Tribal Music Spirit of the Age Urban Guerilla Masters of the Universe World of Tiers Whose Gonna Win the War Ghost Dance Silver Machine 1986 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II CD (Samurai) Earth Calling Motorhead Watchfield Festival Magnu Magnu/Angels Of Death Hashcake '77 Quark Strangeness And Charm Douglas In The Jungle Born To Go Space Is Deep You Shouldn't Do That Seeing It As You Really Are 1986 The Approved History of Hawkwind (Samurai Records) * Three record set, containing Hawkwind Anthology, * Vol. I, II, and III picture discs, along with an * 11,000 word history & discography booklet. 1986 Angels of Death (compilation) [all tracks previously released] (RCA) Angel Voices Nuclear Drive Rocky Paths Solitary Mind Games Living On A Knife Edge Fahrenheit 451 Looking In The Future Choose Your Masques The Joker At The Gate Waiting For Tomorrow The Last Messiah Arrival In Utopia Virgin Of The World Angels Of Death 1986 The Hawkwind Collection (Castle) dbl LP Silver Machine Born To Go Dealing With The Devil Urban Guerrilla Masters Of The Universe Who's Gonna Win The War Hash Cake '77 Motorhead Quark Strangeness And Charm Douglas In The Jungle Space Is Deep Bring It On Home Earth Calling Magnu/Angels Of Death Spirit Of The Age [the CD does not have the following tracks:] Ghost Dance You Shouldn't Do That We Do It 1987 British Tribal Music (Start) (live, compilation) [Good sound quality. digitally mastered] All tracks available on Anthology Albums Hurry On Sundown (Brock) Space Is Deep (Brock) Motorhead (Kilminster) Magnu/Angels Of Death (Calvert/Brock) We Do It (Hawkwind '71) British Tribal Music (Brock/Bainbridge/Swindells/King) Ghost Dance (Bainbridge) World Of Tiers (Bainbridge) Urban Guerilla (Brock/Calvert) Earth Calling (Calvert) Silver Machine (Calvert/Brock) 1988 Spirit of the Age CD (Virgin) [the Charisma years] Forge of Vulcan Flying Doctor Steppenwolf Hassan I Sabha 25 Years Jack of Shadows PSI Power Reefer Madness Fable of a Failed Race High Rise Quark, Strangeness, and Charm Back on the Streets Kerb Crawler Only the Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid Spirit of the Age 1989 Night of the Hawk (Powerhouse Compilation) (tracks marked CD only also appear on the Australian LP) Motorhead (Kilminster) Needle Gun (Brock) Night of the Hawks (Brock) Valium Ten (Brock/Bainbridge) Psychic Power (Brock/Calvert) Confrontation (Brock/Bainbridge/Davey/Thomson) Starflight (Brock/Bainbridge) Ejection (Calvert) {CD + Cassette only} Hurry on Sundown (Brock) Green Finned Demon (Brock) Zarozinia (Brock/Tait) Who's Gonna Win the War? (Brock) Motorway City (Brock) Assassins of Allah (Calvert/Rudolph) Flight to Maputo (Bainbridge/Brock/Davey/Thomson) {CD only} Cajun Jinx (Bainbridge/Brock/Davey/Thomson) {CD only} 1989 Ironstrike CD [Avanti Records ISTCD 004] Shot Down in the Night Motorway City Levitation Who's Gonna Win the War Dust of Time Psychosis Silver Machine(live) Urban Guerilla Master of the Universe Brainstorm Spirit of the Age Magnu/Angels of Death Quark, Strangeness, and Charm Motorhead 1989 Levitation/ Live 79 CD (Japanese issue) omits live version of Motorway City. 1990? Levitation/ Live 79 LPs issued together as a double set 199? Levitation/ Live 79/ Space Bandits issued together as a triple CD set 1990 Acid Daze Vol I (Receiver) - reissue of Anthology 1 High Rise British Tribal Music Spirit of the Age Urban Guerilla Masters of the Universe World of Tiers Whose Gonna Win the War Ghost Dance 1990 Acid Daze Vol II (Receiver) - reissue of Anthology 2 Earth Calling Motorhead Watchfield Festival Magnu Magnu/Angels Of Death Hashcake '77 Quark Strangeness And Charm Douglas In The Jungle 1990 Acid Daze Vol III (Receiver) - reissue of Anthology 3 Born To Go Space Is Deep You Shouldn't Do That Seeing It As You Really Are Dealing With The Devil Bring It On Home Hurry On Sundown Came Home We Do It 1993 Acid Daze III CD Dealing With the Devil Bring it On Home Hurry On Sundown Came Home We Do It Born To Go Space Is Deep You Shouldn't Do That Seeing It As You Really Are Silver Machine 1990 Acid Daze 3LP box set with booklet 1990 Acid Daze 3LP set on 2CD 1990 Stasis - The U.A. Years 1971-1975 LP (EMI) Urban Guerilla Psychedelic Warlords Brainbox Pollution Seven By Seven Paradox Silver Machine You'd Better Believe It Lord Of Light The Black Corridor Space Is Deep Earth Calling (CD only) Born To Go (CD only) Down Through The Night (CD only) The Awakening (CD only) You Shouldn't Do That 1990 Night Riding CD (Knight) Silver Machine (Live 79) Shot Down in the Night Levitation Dust of Time Motorway City {From "Levitation"} Masters of the Universe Motorhead Bring it on Home Magnu/Angels of Death You Shouldn't Do That 1990 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind CD [Action Replay records. High Rise Live recordings] British Tribal Music Spirit of the Age Urban Guerilla Born to Go Space is Deep You Shouldn't do That Silver Machine 1990 The Best of Hawkwind (volume #2 of Metal Classic series by EMI) (cassette only) Space is Deep Wind of Change Master of the Universe You Know You're Only Dreaming Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke) Hall of the Mountain Grill 1991 The Early Years Live EP Silver Machine Spirit of the Age Urban Guerilla Born to Go 1991 Masters of The Universe (Marble Arch Rock CMA CD 129) Masters of the Universe (Brock/Turner) Shot Down in the Night (Swindells) Who's Gonna Win the War (Brock) Motorhead (Kilminster) Dust of Time (Brock/Bainbridge/Langton) Levitation (Brock) Angels of Death (brock) Quark, Strangeness, and Charm (Calvert/Brock) 1991 Spirit of The Age CD [on "Elite". Different from 1988 Charisma compilation] Master of the Universe Earth Calling Psychosis Space Chase Magnu/Angels of Death Motorway City Born To Go Brainstorm (Live) Spirit of the Age Motorhead Dealing With The Devil World of Tiers The Fifth Second of Forever Dust of Time Levitation Silver Machine (Live) 1991 Castle Masters Collection Douglas in the Jungle British Tribal Music Quark, Strangeness, and Charm Hurry on Sundown The War Master of the Universe Hash Cake '77 Came Home Urban Guerilla High Rise Magnu Silver Machine World of Tiers Dealing With The Devil Ghost Dance Motorhead Spirit of the Age 1991 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD set [Castle Communications] [1] Hurry On Sundown Space Is Deep Born To Go Urban Guerilla You Shouldn't Do That Spirit Of The Age High Rise Ghost Dance Motorway City Brainstorm [2] Shot Down In The Night Levitation Prelude Who's Gonna Win The War? Dust Of Time Song of the Swords Angels Of Death Shade Gate Rocky Paths The Pulsing Cavern Master Of The Universe Dreaming City Moonglum Needle Gun Zarozinia Horn Of Fate [3] Damnation Alley Sword Of The East Wastelands Of Sleep Neon Skyline Lost Chronicles Black Elk Speaks Images Out Of The Shadows Wings Back in the Box Treadmill Lives of Great Men Void of Golden Light Silver Machine (Requiem) 1992 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 CD (Anagram) (compilation of 4 EP's: Hawkwind Zoo, Motorhead/Valium Ten Earth Ritual, Sonic Assassins) Hurry on Sundown (Brock) Sweet Mistress of Pain (Brock) Kings of Speed (live) (Brock) Motorhead (Kilminster) Valium Ten (extended version) (Brock/Bainbridge) Night of the Hawks (Stonehenge) (Brock) Green Finned Demon (Brock/Calvert) Dream Dancers (Brock) Dragons & Fables (Langton) Over the Top (Brock/Calvert) Free Fall (Bainbridge/Calvert) Death Trap (Calvert/Brock) 1992 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords CD (Cleopatra) [ltd ed. with bag] Psychedelic Warlords (7" edit) Brainstorm (from Space Ritual) Hurry on Sundown (from Hawkwind) Paranoia Part II (from Hawkwind) You Shouldn't Do That (live) Silver Machine (original 7" mix) Urban Guerilla (original 7" mix) Down Through The Night (from Doremi) It's So Easy (7" b-side) Mirror of Illusion (from Hawkwind) Adjust Me (from X In Search of Space) Brainbox Pollution (7" b-side) Master of the Universe (from X In Search of Space) 1992 Tales From Atom Henge CD (Virgin) (Spirit of the Age re-issue + different tracks) Honky Dorky (Brock/Calvert/House/King/Powell/Rudolph/Mandelkau) Flying Doctor (Calvert/Brock) Steppenwolf (Brock/Calvert) Hassan I Sabha (Calvert/Rudolph) 25 Years (Brock) Jack of Shadows (Calvert/Shaw/House) PSI Power (Brock/Calvert) Reefer Madness (Brock/Calvert) Fable of a Failed Race (Brock/Calvert) High Rise (Calvert/House) Quark, Strangeness, and Charm (Brock/Calvert) Back on the Streets (Calvert/Rudolph) The Dream of Isis (Brock/King/House) Kerb Crawler (Brock/Calvert) Only the Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid (Calvert) Spirit of the Age (Brock/Calvert) 199? Frenchy Scissorhands (Cherry Red/Anagram) 2 tracks from the Flicknife catalogue previously released 1994 The Best of Hawkwind Master of the Universe Angels of Death Motorhead Earth Calling Space is Deep Ghost Dance Born to Go British Tribal Music Spirit of the Age Hash Cake '77 High Rise Hurry On Sundown Douglas In The Jungle Who's Gonna Win the War Quark, Strangeness and Charm Dealing With the Devil Silver Machine 1994 25 Years On 4CD Set Hurry On Sundown Paranoia Part Two Silver Machine Brainstorm Space Is Deep Lord of Light You Shouldn't do That You Know You're Only Dreaming Master of the Universe Born to Go (live) Orgone Accumulator (live) Sonic Attack (live) Assault & Battery The Golden Void Magnu Psychedelic Warlords Wind of Change Reefer Madness Steppenwolf Spirit of the Age Hassan I Sahba Kerb Crawler Who's Gonna Win the War Angels of Death (single edit) High Rise Dragons & Fables Shot Down in the Night (live) Levitation (live) Song of the Swords (live) Nuclear Drive Arrival in Utopia Needle Gun Rocky Paths/Psychosonia Motorway City Back on the Streets 25 Years (12" remix) Psi Power The War I Survived Treadmill LSD Blue Shift Back in the Box Right to Decide Heads Images Black Elk Speaks It is the Business of the Future to bo Dangerous I am the Eye that Looks Within Quark, Strangeness and Charm 5. The 8 Weird Tapes -------------------- There were 8 "Weird" tapes officially released by hawkwind between 1980 and 1984. These were live and studio tapes made by the band. A number of them ended up on compilation albums released by various record companies. Weird 101 - Sonic Assassins/ Dave Brock Over the Top Magnu Angels of Life Freefall Death Trap Nuclear Toy The War The Dream Assassination The Dream II Satellite [later Phenomenon of Luminosity] Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords Quark, Strangeness, and Charm Masters of the Universe Welcome to the Future Spirit of the Age Sonic Attack Valium Ten Douglas in the Jungle Time of Weird 103 - Free Festivals High Rise Damnation Alley Uncle Sam's on Mars Robot Cake Out Circles Elements Slap it on de Table Weird 104 - Hawklords Live 1978 Deathtrap Micro Man Spirit of the Age Urban Guerilla Steppenwolf Freefall Uncle Sam's on Mars Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77-78 [A] [this tape was withdrawn and the later one released instead] Flying Doctor Back on the Streets Paranoia Chronoglide Skyway Back on the Streets Assassins of Allah Forge of Vulcan Steppenwolf Where are they Now? Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 [B] Back on the Streets Chronoglide Skyway Brainstorm Wind of Change Assassins of Allah Forge of Vulcan Steppenwolf Where are they Now? Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 Make What You Can Masters of the Universe Jam Hurry on Sundown We Do It Earth Calling Weird 107 - Dave Brock Streets of Fear First Landing on Medusa [The Awakening] Touchdown Winter of Discontent Choose your Masks Looking in the Future Space Travellers Circles Speed of Light Bombed Out Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 Space is Deep (73) Down on Her Knees (73) Live and Let Live (73) Etchanatae (73) Roll `em Pete (66) Come On (66) Dealing With the Devil (67) Bring It on Home (68) Dreaming (71) Shouldn't Do That (71) 6. Hawkvideo ------------ 1986 Blood And Bone [Nik Turner's Inner City Unit] [ need songlist ] 1987 Bristol Custom Bike Show (recorded live 20/6/86) Master of the Universe [just one Hawkwind track on this one] 1990 Video - Hawkwind 1979-1989 * Released by Hawkwind 1991. various shots from gigs * and parties over the last ten years. The quality is very * variable. World of Tiers 80 Lighthouse 79 Shot Down in the Night 81 Brainstorm 81 Silver Machine 82 Masters of the Universe 82 Choose Your Masks 82 Solitary Mind Games 82 waiting for Tomorrow 82 Masters of the Universe 83 Coded Languages 83 Ghost Attack (Jam) 83 Sonic Attack 83 Psi Power 84 Choose Your Masks 85 Elric Battle Sequence 85 Masters of the Universe 86 Assault and Battery 86 Assassins of Allah 86 Magnu 86 Angels of Death 86 Lost Chronicles 86 Needle Gun 86 Dream Worker 86 Assault and Battery 89 Golden Void 89 Treadmill 89 Levitation 89 Damnation Alley 89 Needle Gun 89 Brainstorm 89 Angels of Death 89 1983 Video - Live at Edinburgh Playhouse 1982 Choose Your Masks Coded Languages Magnu Waiting for Tomorrow Angels of Death Ghost Dance Psychedelic Warlords Social Alliance Utopia Arrival in Utopia Solitary Mind Games Sonic Attack Dream Worker Brainstorm Ejection Shot Down in the Night * Video quality is awful but the sound is good. * This was definitely the best Hawkwind gig I've * ever attended. - M.Holmes * Rest is separate gig - Hammersmith Odeon London?: Ejection Shot Down in the Night Masters of the Universe Waiting for Tomorrow Brainstorm 1992 Video - M.A.G. Festival 1983 Master of the Universe (rehearsal) Hassan I Sabha Dust of Time Waiting for Tomorrow Ghost Dance Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke) Utopia 1984 Angels of Death Motorway City Silver Machine Brainstorm Ejection Shot Down in the Night Master of the Universe Sonic Attack Deathtrap Silver Machine 1984 Video - Stonehenge Festival 1984 recorded June 20-22 1984 Stonehenge * With Roy Harper and the Enid * This wasn't one of hawkwind's better gigs ;-) HW tracks: Ghost Dance Angels of Death Watching the Grass Grow Utopia Social Alliance Brainstorm 1985 Hawkon - Hawkwind Convention Various Interviews. [Live tracks featuring ex-members] Hurry On Sundown Mick's Blues Wild Thing They've Got Your Number Waiting For Tomorrow Brainbox Pollution You Shouldn't Do That The Rip-Off Blues Master of the Universe In The Mood 1985 Video - Chronicle of The Black Sword (Hammersmith Odeon 3-4 Dec) [2 versions - only 150 copies of original mail order copy issued] Song of the Swords Sea King Master of the Universe Choose Your Masques Needle Gun Zarozinia Brainstorm Elric & Moonglum Elric the Enchanter Magnu Horn of Destiny 1984 Video - Night of the Hawk (recorded Ipswich 9/3/84) Ghost Dance Watching the Grass Grow Dream Worker Ejection Uncle Sam's on Mars The Martian Disco Stomp Brainstorm Sonic Attack The Island Brainstorm Psi Power Silver machine 1990 Live Legends (Nottingham) Lives of Great Men Void of Golden Light Out of the Shadows Night of the Hawks Back in the Box Utopia Ejection Damnation Alley Wind of Change 1989 Tregowrey Tree Fayre [running time 90 minutes] Brainstorm Down Through the Night Treadmill Time We Left Hassan I Sabha Lives of Great Men The Void of Golden Light Back in the Box Utopia You Know You're Only Dreaming Damnation Alley Needle gun Ejection Neon Skyline 1992 Bournemouth Academy 1990 Angels of Death Void of Golden Light Unknown track (Wishart narration) Acid House of Dreams You Shouldn't Do That (instrumental) Out of the Shadows Night of the Hawk Unknown Track (Wishart vocals) Back in the Box Arrival in Utopia Paranoia Images Hassan I Sabha Brainstorm Your Secret's Safe With me (Wishart vocals) Brainstorm (reprise) Ejection 1992 Hawkwind Promos Video Out of the Shadows Void of Golden Light Acid House of Dreams Images Treadmill Time We Left Heads Back in the Box Black Elk Speaks 1992 Hawkwind USA Tour 89/90 Assault & Battery The Golden Void Treadmill Interview (Brock & Bainbridge) Wind of Change Time We Left Heads Time We Left Needle Gun The Golden Void Ejection Brainstorm Your Secret's Safe With Me Brainstorm Wings Out of The Shadows Snake Dance Night of the Hawk Eons TV Suicide Blue Shift Back in the Box Hassan I Sabha Images Reefer Madness 1992 Sonic Attack Tour '81 Angel Voices Motorway City Angels of Death PSI Power Coded Languages The Golden Void Magnu Dust of Time Psychedelic Warlords Rocky Paths Psychosonia Shot Down in the Night Sonic Attack Brainstorm Silver Machine Master of the Universe Brixton Academy 15/8/92 Out of the Shadows Right To Decide Seven By Seven Spirit of the Age The Iron Dream Secret Agent Hassan I Sabha The Golden Void L.S.D Blue Shift Brainstorm Time We Left Master of the Universe Welcome to the Future Solstice at Stonehenge 1984 [Ambient - 60 mins] Stonehenge Decoded Ghost Dance Watching the Grass Grow Utopia 1984 Social Alliance Uncle Sam's On Mars Sonic Attack The Right Stuff Dawn in the Morning From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 28 14:38:38 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:38:38 BST Subject: Hawkwind Codex Message-ID: Here's the update on the Hakwind Codex. I didn't have time to check: can someone confirm that "Pipe Dreams" on Strange Trips & Pipe Dreams is identical to "Pipe Dreams" on White Zone? Cheers FoFP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Hawkwind Codex: Version 1.9 27th September 1995 =================================================== (C) April 1993 by Mike Holmes and Jill Strobridge 3 or 4 Erections in the Course of a Night 1 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous 25 Years 1 Hawklords 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 2 25 Years/ PXR5/ Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid 12" EP 2 25 Years/Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid 7" 2 Repeat Performance 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 3 The Hawklords Live 5/4 1 Out And Intake A Day 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 The Agents of Chaos LP * This contains Nocturne and the lyrics from Treadmill Acid Test SEE: Dream Worker Adjust Me 1 X In Search Of Space 1 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords The Age Of The Micro Man 1 Hawklords L 2 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 {Micro Man} Altair SEE: Wave Upon Wave Am I Fooling 1 White Zone Announcements L 1 Dawn of Hawkwind CD * also on Greasy Truckers, Assassins of Allah LP and Weird 106 but not listed separately Angel Voices 1 Angels of Death 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] Angels Of Death L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock {Angels of Life} L 1 British Tribal Music L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II L 1 Acid Daze Vol. II L 1 The Hawkwind Collection L 1 Ironstrike L 1 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] L 1 Night Riding L 1 Silver Machine Live 12" EP L 1 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 1 Best of Hawkwind L 2 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic L 2 Independent Days, Vol. II L 3 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] 4 Sonic Attack 4 Angels of Death 4 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 4 a Angels of Death/ Trans Dimensional Man 7" L 5 The Golden Void L 6 Orgasmatron L 7 Live Chronicles L 7 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 8 Live At Reading '86 L 9 Undisclosed Files * 7" single version is cut version from the Sonic Attack album. Angels of Life SEE Angels of Death Arioch 1 Independent Days, Vol. II 1 Needle Gun 12" EP 1 Needle Gun/ Arioch 7" 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword [Flicknife and Griffin CD only] Arrival In Utopia 1 Choose Your Masques 1 Angels of Death 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Live At Reading '86 {Utopia} L 3 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 4 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Assassin (Magick Carpet Mix) 1 Decide Your Future * This mix done by Swordfish/Astralasia Assassination 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins {The Dream I;Assassination;The Dream II} 2 Church of Hawkwind {Some People never Die} [LP and CD] 2 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 2 Earthed to the Ground * 2 is based on demo version 1 Assassins of Allah SEE Hassan I Sabha Assault And Battery 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Zarozinia/ Assault and Battery 7" L 2 Zarozinia 12" EP L 2 Independent Days, Vol. II L 2 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword [Flicknife CD only] L 2 Live Chronicles [2CD set only] L 3 Live At Reading '86 L 4 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 5 Palace Springs {Lives of Great Men} L 5 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 6 Rock City {misnamed track: see Letting in the Past} The Aubergine That Ate Rangoon 1 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music Automation 1 Hawklords L 2 Hawklords Live 1978 Avante 1 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous The Awakening L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 Stasis CD * See also: Over The Top Back in the Box L 1 Palace Springs L 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords L 3 California Brainstorm * Lyrics borrowed from "In The Office" and "Words of a Song" Back on the Streets 1 Back on the Streets/ The Dream of Isis 7" 1 Repeat Performance 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 Bay of Bengal 1 White Zone Berlin Axis L 1 The Business Trip Be Yourself 1 Hawkwind L 2 The Text of Festival LP {Improvise, Comprise, Reprise} The Black Corridor L 1 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 1 Space Rock From London L 1 a BBC Radio - Live in Concert CD L 2 Space Ritual Alive L 2 Stasis * 1a is a remix of 1 Black Elk Speaks 1 Space Bandits 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] Black Sun 1 Quark Strangeness and Charm CD single Blue Dreamer SEE: Dream Worker Blue Shift 1 Electric Teepee 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords L 3 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Bombed Out 1 Weird 107 - Dave Brock Born To Go L 1 Greasy Trucker's Party L 1 Assassins of Allah LP L 1 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 1 a Lord of Light/ Born to Go 7" L 1 a Silver Machine/7 by 7/Lord of Light/Born to Go German double 7" EP L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II CD L 1 a Acid Daze Vol. III L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP L 1 a The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 1 a The Early Years Live EP L 1 a Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 1 a The Hawkwind Collection L 1 a Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 1 a Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 L 1 a Best of Hawkwind L 2 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 2 Space Rock from London L 2 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 3 Space Ritual Alive L 3 Stasis CD L 3 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] * 1a is cut version of 1 * 2a is a remix of 2 Bosnia 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Brainbox Pollution 1 Stasis 1 Urban Guerilla/ Brainbox Pollution 7" 1 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords Brainstorm 1 Doremi Fasol Latido 1 Masters of the Universe [Compilation] 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 2 Space Rock from London L 2 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 3 BBC Transcription Disc - The Brian Matthews Show L 3? Dawn of Hawkwind L 4 Space Ritual Alive L 4 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords L 5 Space Ritual II L 5 Ridicule L 5 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 6 Acid Daze Vol II {Watchfield Festival} L 6 Hawkwind Anthology Vol.II {Watchfield Festival} L 7 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 [Second release of tape only] L 8 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 9 Live '79 L 9 Ironstrike L 9 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 9 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 10 Zones 10 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 11 Orgasmatron L 12 Live Chronicles {Wizards of Pan Tang} L 13 Live At Reading '86 L 14 Chronicle of the Black Sword [Dojo and Griffin CD only] {Voice Inside My Head} L 15 Traveller's Aid Trust L 16 California Brainstorm * 2a is a remix of 2 * Versions 4 and 5 are from the same tour * Version 6 contains just the intro at the end of a jam * Version 12 is the middle of Brainstorm with extra lyrics overlaid Bring It On Home 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP 1 Acid Daze Vol. III 1 The Hawkwind Collection 1 Night Riding British Tribal Music 1 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I 1 Acid Daze Vol. I 1 Best of Hawkwind 1a Castle Masters Collection 1a British Tribal Music * 1a this version starts with an explosion that properly belongs to the end of a previous track (see High Rise) Cajun Jinx 1 Out And Intake 1 Night of the Hawk CD Cake Out L 1 The Hawkwind Collection {Hash Cake '77} L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II {Hash Cake '77} L 1 Acid Daze Vol. II {Hash Cake '77} L 1 a Weird 103 - Free Festivals L 1 a Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield L 1 a Castle Masters Collection {Hash Cake '77} L 1 a Best of Hawkwind {Hash Cake '77} * 1a is 1 without the intro Came Home 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP 1 Acid Daze Vol. III 1 Castle Masters Collection 1 Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 * this track is listed on In the Beginning LP and CD (also issued as Masters of the Universe CD) and Text of Festival LP and CD but does not exist on either. The Camera That Could Lie SEE Processed Chaos Army 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword Children Of The Sun 1 X In Search Of Space Choose Your Masks 1 Weird 107 - Dave Brock 2 Choose Your Masques 2 Angels of Death L 3 The Golden Void L 4 Live Chronicles The Chronicle of the Black Sword L 1 Live Chronicles [2CD set only] * narration Chronoglide Skyway 1 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 2 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976/77 The Church 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] Circles SEE The Fifth Second of Forever City Of Lagoons 1 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music Coded Languages 1 Sonic Attack L 2 * The Golden Void L 3 * Out And Intake CD L 4 * Undisclosed Files [LP Only] L 5 * Undisclosed Files [CD Only] * Versions 2 and 3 are from the same tour * Versions 4 and 5 are from the same tour Confrontation 1 Out And Intake 1 Night Of The Hawk Conjuration Of Magnu L 1 Live Chronicles Countdown L 1 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 1 Hawkfan 12" L 1 Space Rock From London L 1 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD * 1a is a remix of 1 D-Rider 1 Hall Of The Mountain Grill 1 a Psychedelic Warlords/Hall of the Mountain Grill/D-Rider/Wind of Change US EP * 1a is an edit of 1 Damage of Life L 1 Traveller's Aid Trust 2 Church of Hawkwind [CD only] * 2 is a studio edit and remix of 1 Damnation Alley 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Rock On - with Hawkwind and Van Der Graaf Generator ? 1 a Hassan I Sabha/Damnation Alley Part 2 Italian 7" L 2 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield L 2 Weird 103 - Free Festivals L 3 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 4 Palace Springs L 4 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] * 1a is a cut from the last part of 1 Damned By The Curse of Man L 1 Undisclosed Files Dangerous Vision 1 Zones 1 Zones/Stonehenge CD The Dark Lords L 1 Live Chronicles Dawn/Sunrise L 1 Dawn of Hawkwind CD A Day 1 The Agents of Chaos 1 Dave Brock & The Agents of Chaos CD The Day A Wall Came Down L 1 The Business Trip Days Of The Underground 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Rock On - with Hawkwind and Van Der Graaf Generator Dead God's Homecoming L 1 Live Chronicles [2CD set only] * narration Dealing With The Devil 1 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 1 Castle Masters Collection 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP 1 Acid Daze Vol. III 1 The Hawkwind Collection 1 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 1 Best of Hawkwind Death of War 1 Electric Teepee Death Trap L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock L 1 Sonic Assassins 12" EP L 1 Victoria double album L 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 2 PXR5 2 Psi Power/ Deathtrap 7" L 3 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 L 3 a The Hawklords Live L 4 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic L 4 Zones/Stonehenge CD * 3 and 3a are from the same tour The Demented Man 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time The Demise 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword 1 Live Chronicles {Lords of Chaos} Disintegration 1 Sonic Attack Don't Understand 1 Electric Teepee Do That SEE - You Shouldn't Do That Douglas In The Jungle 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II 1 Acid Daze Vol. II 1 The Hawkwind Collection 1 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords 1 Castle Masters Collection 1a Best of Hawkwind * 1a is a cut version of 1 Down Through The Night 1 Doremi Fasol Latido 1 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords L 2 Space Ritual Alive L 2 Stasis CD Down on Her Knees 1 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 Dragons & Fables 1 The Earth Ritual Preview EP 1 Independent Days, Vol. II 1 Utopia 1984 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Live Chronicles L 3 Undisclosed Files Dragon Song L 1 Live Chronicles [2CD set only] * narration The Dream SEE - Assassination Dream Dancers 1 Independent Days, Vol. II 1 The Earth Ritual Preview EP 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 The Dream II SEE - Assassination The Dream Goes On SEE - The Iron Dream The Dream Has Ended SEE - You Know You're Only Dreaming Dream Worker 1 Choose Your Masques 2 Zones 2 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 3 Live At Reading '86 L 4 Travellers Aid Trust {Blue Dreamer} L 5 Palace Springs {Acid Test} The Dream of Isis 1 Back on the Streets/ The Dream of Isis 7" 1 Tales From Atom Henge Dreaming City L 1 Live Chronicles L 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] Drug Cabinet Key SEE Flying Doctor Dust Of Time 1 Levitation 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 1 Ironstrike 1 Masters of the Universe [Marble Arch Rock CD] 1 Spirit of the Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 1 Silver Machine {Spectrum compilation} 1 a Night Riding L 2 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 3 The Golden Void 4 Zones {The Island} 4 Zones/Stonehenge CD {The Island} L 5 Live Chronicles * The 1a version contains a guitar intro from a previous track Dying Seas 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time Earth Calling L 1 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 1 Space Rock From London L 1 a BBC Radio - Live in Concert CD L 1 b Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 L 1 c Friends And Relations II (Twice Upon A Time) L 1 c Hawkwind Friends And Relations - The Rarities CD L 1 d British Tribal Music L 1 d Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 1 d The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II L 1 d Acid Daze Vol. II L 1 d The Hawkwind Collection L 1 d Best of Hawkwind L 2 Space Ritual Alive L 2 Stasis CD * 1a is an edit of 1 * 1b is a cut of 1 * 1c is a cut of 1b * 1d is a cut of 1c Earthed To The Ground 1 Earthed to the Ground 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 a Friends & Relations III {Wired Up For Sound} 1 a Best of Hawkwind, Friends & Relations CD {Wired Up For Sound} * 1a is based on 1 Ejection L 1 Hawkfan 12" L 2 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 3 Night of the Hawk CD 3 Out And Intake L 4 Undisclosed Files L 5 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 6 California Brainstorm L 7 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Electric Teepee 1 Electric Teepee Electronic #1 L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 a Space Ritual II {Space} L 1 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] * 1 and 1a are from the same tour Elements L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals Elric The Enchanter 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword Elric The Enchanter Part 1 L 2 Live Chronicles (1CD) {narration} L 2 Live Chronicles [2CD set] * narration Elric The Enchanter Part 2 L 1 Live Chronicles EMG 1 The Xenon Codex Empty Dreams 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 The Agents of Chaos Encounters 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Eons * SEE: Snake Dance (*) This track could be the name of the Wishart song that was edited out of California Brainstorm. Etchanatae L 1 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 Experiment with Destiny [See also Virgin of the World] 1 Church of Hawkwind * instrumental version only. The lyrics printed are not used Fable Of A Failed Race 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge [1?] Hassan I Sabha/Fable of a Failed Race 7" Fahrenheit 451 1 Angels of Death 1 Choose Your Masques Fall of Earth City 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] The Fifth Second Of Forever L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals {Circles} L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield {Circles} 2 Levitation 2 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 2 Silver Machine CD 3 Weird 107 - Dave Brock {Circles} L 4 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic {Circles} L 4 Utopia 1984 {Circles} L 4 Zones/Stonehenge CD {Circles} L 5 Live At Reading '86 Fight Sequence L 1 Live Chronicles The Final Fight L 1 Live Chronicles [2CD set only] * narration First Landing on Medusa 1 Weird 107 - Dave Brock Flight to Maputo 1 Out And Intake 1 Night of the Hawk CD Flying Doctor 1 Hawklords 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge L 2 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 [First release of tape only] L 2 Friends And Relations III {Drug Cabinet Key} The Forge Of Vulcan 1 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 2 Quark Strangeness And Charm 2 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Forge of Vulcan 7" 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] Free Fall L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock L 1 Sonic Assassins 12" EP L 1 Victoria double album L 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 2 Hawklords L 3 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 Frenzzy 1 White Zone Frisco Jam L 1 Dawn of Hawkwind CD Gaga L 1 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin L 1 Early Daze Garden Pests 1 Electric Teepee Gateway 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Ghost Dance L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 1 Acid Daze Vol. I L 1 British Tribal Music L 1 The Hawkwind Collection LP L 1 The Hawkwind Anthology 3CD box set (Castle Communications) L 1 Castle Masters Collection CD only L 1 Silver Machine CD L 1 a Best of Hawkwind L 2 Out and Intake L 3 The Golden Void L 4 * Hawkfan 12" L 5 Undisclosed Files - Addendum [CD Only] * 1a is a cut version of 1 * 4 is a "live edit" Gimme Shelter 1 Gimme Shelter charity rock CD [Hawkwind & Samantha Fox] 1 a It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous * 1a is a remix of 1 Goat Willow 1 Hall Of The Mountain Grill Going to Hawaii 1 Electric Teepee The Golden Void 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time 1 Roadhawks 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Friends And Relations I L 2 Victoria double album L 2 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Anagram] L 3 The Golden Void L 4 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 5 Palace Springs {Void of Golden Light} L 5 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 6 California Brainstorm {Void's End} L 7 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 8 Rock City L 9 The Business Trip {Void of Golden Light} * Version 6 is a cut from the end of a live version and contains no vocals Good Evening 1 The Xenon Codex Green Finned Demon 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 Earthed to the Ground 2 The Earth Ritual Preview EP 2 Night Of The Hawk 2 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 2 a Night of the Hawk/ Green Finned Demon 7" L 3 Rock City L 4 The Business Trip * 2 is based on demo track 1 * 2a is a cut of 2 Hades Deep 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 The Agents of Chaos LP Hall Of The Mountain Grill 1 Hall Of The Mountain Grill 1 Psychedelic Warlords/Hall of the Mountain Grill/D-Rider/Wind of Change US EP 1 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 1 US Forces Radio album featuring Hawkwind & Jefferson Starship Hash Cake '77 SEE: Cake Out Hassan I Sabha 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] ? 1 a Hassan I Sabha/Damnation Alley Part 2 Italian 7" ? 1 a Hassan I Sabha/Fable of a Failed Race 7" L 2 a Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 {Assassins of Allah} L 2 b Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line 3 Out And Intake {Assassins of Allah} 3 Night Of The Hawk {Assassins of Allah} L 4 Live At Reading '86 L 4 Italian "Vinile" freebie single {Assassins of Allah} L 4? Assassins of Allah LP L 5 a The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords {Assassins of Allah} L 5 b California Brainstorm {Assassins of Allah} L 6 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 7 Rock City {Hashish} * 1a is an edit of 1 (assumed) * 2a and 2b are from the same tour * 5a and 5b are from the same tour Heads 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 The Agents of Chaos LP 2 The Xenon Codex 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 3 Undisclosed Files L 4 Palace Springs Hearing Aid Test 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Heart Attack 1 White Zone Hi Tech Cities 1 The Agents of Chaos LP 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD L 2 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords High Rise 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield 1 a The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I 1 a Acid Daze Vol. I 1 a Best of Hawkwind 1 b Castle Masters Collection 1 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 2 PXR5 LP 2 Repeat Performance 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 2 Tales From Atom Henge 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 3 * PXR5 CD 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line 5 The Hawklords Live * 1a is a remix of 1 * All versions 1,2 and 3 are from the same tour * Version 2 appeared on the original PXR5 LP. Version 3 appeared on the rerelease and on the PXR5 CD. * 1b the sound of an explosion at the end of version 1 and 1a has been cut out in editing (see British Tribal Music) Honky Dorky 1 Kerb Crawler/ Honky Dorky 7" 1 Tales From Atom Henge Horn Of Destiny SEE Horn of Fate Horn Of Fate 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword {Horn of Destiny} L 2 Live Chronicles [1CD version] L 2 Live Chronicles [2CD set] {Horn of Fate (Destiny)} L 2 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] Hurry On Sundown 1 Hawkwind Zoo 12" EP 1 Last Chance 7" EP 1 Motorhead/Hurry On Sundown 7" 1 Victoria Double Album 1 Independent Days Vol 1 1 Night of the Hawk 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-85 L 2 In The beginning {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 Live 70-73 {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 Welcome To The Future {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 The Text of Festival {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 Early Daze {Hurry On a Sundown} L 2 a Weird 106 - Hawkwind Live 1970-73 L 2 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol III LP L 2 a Acid Daze Vol III L 2 a British Tribal Music L 2 a Castle Masters Collection L 2 a Hawkwind Anthology 3CD box set (Castle Communications) L 2 a Best of Hawkwind 3 Hurry on Sundown / Mirror of Illusion 7" 3 Hawkwind (August 1970) 3 (The Best of The Psychedelic Warlords) 3 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 3 a Roadhawks 3 b US double 7" EP * 2a is an edit and cut of 2. * 3a is segued into Paranoia on the Roadhawks album * 3b is a cut version of 3 I Am The Eye That Looks Within 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] Identimate 1 Church of Hawkwind [CD only] I Do It SEE We Do It Images 1 Space Bandits 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords L 3 California Brainstorm [Cyclone CD only] L 4 Orgasmatron Improvise..Compromise..Reprise. The Text Of Festival LP - SEE: You Shouldn't Do That The Text Of Festival CD - SEE: Be Yourself, Paranoia (*) This track was misnamed for another track on the CD In The Egg 1 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin 1 Early Daze 1 Live '70/'73 1 Welcome To The Future In the Office 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 The Agents of Chaos LP Infinity 1 PXR5 In Search of Shangrila 1 White Zone Into the Realms 1 The Agents of Chaos LP It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous 1 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Rock City It's Never Too Late 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams The Iron Dream 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Iron Dream 7" L 2 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 L 3 The Business Trip {The Dream Goes On} The Island SEE Dust of Time It's So Easy L 1 Masters of the Universe [Compilation] L 1 Psychedelic Warlords/ It's so Easy 7" L 1 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords Jack Of Shadows 1 PXR5 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge Jam SEE: You Shouldn't Do That The Joker At The Gate 1 Angels of Death 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] Kadu Flyer 1 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music Kerb Crawler 1 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 1 Kerb Crawler/ Honky Dorky 7" 1 Repeat Performance 1 Rock On - with Hawkwind and Van Der Graaf Generator 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] Kings Of Speed 1 Hawkwind Zoo 12" EP 1 Independent Days, Vol. II 1 Victoria double album 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 2 Warrior On The Edge Of Time LP [United Artists] 2 Warrior On The Edge Of Time CD [Dojo] 2 a Kings of Speed/ Motorhead 7" 2 a Kings of Speed/Kings of Speed US 7" 2 a Warrior On The Edge Of Time LP [Atco] 2 a Warrior On The Edge Of Time CD [Griffin] * 2a is an edit of 2 * The US single is stereo on one side and mono on the other Kiss of the Velvet Whip SEE Sweet Mistress of Pain The Last Messiah 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] 1 Angels of Death La Forge 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Let Barking Dogs Lie 1 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous Letting In The Past SEE Looking in the Future Levitation 1 Levitation 1 Ironstrike 1 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] 1 Night Riding 1 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 1 Silver Machine CD L 2 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic L 2 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 2 Utopia 1984 L 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 3 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Life Form 1 PXR5 Light Specific Data 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] Lighthouse L 1 Live '79 L 1 a Live - St.Albans 1979 * 1a is a poorer mix of 1 Live and Let Live 1 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 Lives of Great Men SEE Assault And Battery Living On A Knife Edge 1 Angels of Death 1 Sonic Attack (*) Some of the lyrics from this track used in "Processed" Looking In The Future 1 Weird 107 - Dave Brock 1 a Angels of Death 1 a Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] 2 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous {Letting in the Past} L 3 Rock City {Assault And Battery Part 1} * 1a is a remix of 1 Lord Of Light 1 Doremi Fasol Latido 1 Stasis 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 a Lord of Light/ Born to Go 7" 1 a Silver Machine/7 by 7/Lord of Light/Born to Go German double 7" EP L 2 Space Ritual Alive L 2 Lord of Light * 1a is an edit of 1 Lords Of Chaos SEE The Demise Lost Chances 1 Sonic Attack Lost Chronicles 1 The Xenon Codex 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] Lost Johnny 1 Hall Of The Mountain Grill 1 Masters of the Universe [Compilation] Love in Space 1 White Zone LSD 1 Electric Teepee 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 3 The Business Trip Machine Dream 1 Earthed to the Ground 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD Magnu 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock L 2 British Tribal Music L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II L 2 Acid Daze Vol. II L 2 Castle Masters Collection L 2 * Night Riding L 2 * Masters of the Universe [Marble Arch] L 2 * Spirit of the Age [Elite compilation] L 2 * The Hawkwind Collection L 2 * Ironstrike L 2 * Best of Hawkwind L 2 Silver Machine Live 12" EP L 2 a Silver Machine/Magnu 7" L 2 a Silver Machine/Magnu 7" motorbike shaped pic disk L 3 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 4 The Golden Void L 5 Orgasmatron L 6 Live Chronicles L 7 Live At Reading '86 * Magnu is not listed on the tracklist for these albums but appears as part of the Magnu/Angels of Death live version. * 2a is a faded cut of 2 Make What You Can 1 Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 Mask of Morning 1 Electric Teepee L 2 Orgasmatron (*) Lyrics taken from "Mirror of Illusion" Master Of The Universe L 1 In The Beginning L 1 The Text Of Festival L 1 Welcome To The Future L 1 Live '70/'73 2 X In Search of Space 2 Masters of the Universe [UA Compilation] 2 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords 2 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 2 a US double 7" EP L 3 Orgasmatron L 4 Greasy Trucker's Party L 4 Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 L 4 Assassins of Allah LP L 4 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 5 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 5 Space Rock from London L 5 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 6 Space Ritual Alive L 6 a Space Ritual II L 6 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 6 a Ridicule L 6 a Early Daze L 7 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin L 8 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords L 9 Live '79 L 10 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 11 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 L 12 Motorway City/ Master of the Universe 7" L 12 Ironstrike L 12 Castle Masters Collection L 12 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 12 The Hawkwind Collection L 12 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] L 12 Night Riding L 12 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 12 Acid Daze Vol. I L 12 Best of Hawkwind L 13 Live Chronicles L 13 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 14 Bristol Custom Bike Show L 14 Assassins of Allah LP L 14 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 15 Live At Reading '86 L 16 Undisclosed Files [LP Only] * 2a is a cut version of 2 * 5a is a remixed version of 5 * 6a is a different mix from 6 * there are two versions of Masters of the Universe on Assassins of Allah LP and Dawn of Hawkwind CD Mirror Of Illusion 1 Hawkwind 1 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords 1 a Hurry on Sundown/ Mirror of Illusion 7" * 1a is a cut of 1 * The lyrics for this song are also used in Mask Of Morning Mists of Meridin 1 Church of Hawkwind [CD only] Moonbean 1 White Zone Moonglum L 1 Live Chronicles L 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] Motherless Children 1 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD 1 Friends And Relations II LP (Twice Upon A Time) Motorhead 1 Kings of Speed/ Motorhead 7" 1 Warrior On the Edge of Time CD 2 British Tribal Music 2 Independent Days, Vol. I 2 Ironstrike 2 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] 2 Motorhead/ Valium 10 12" single 2 Motorhead/ Hurry on Sundown 7" 2 Motorhead/ Valium Ten 7" 2 Castle Masters Collection 2 Night Riding 2 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II 2 Acid Daze Vol. II 2 The Hawkwind Collection 2 Night Of The Hawk 2 Victoria double album 2 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 2 Best of Hawkwind Motorway City L 1 Live '79 L 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 1 a Live - St.Albans 1979 2 Levitation 2 Ironstrike 2 Night Riding 2 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 2 Silver Machine CD L 3 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 4 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 5 Motorway City/ Master of the Universe 7" 5 Zones 5 Zones/Stonehenge CD 5 Independent Days, Vol. I 5 Night Of The Hawk 5 Utopia 1984 L 6 Undisclosed Files (*) 1a is a poorer mix of 1 Mountain in the Sky 1 The Agents of Chaos LP Mutation Zone 1 The Xenon Codex Narration SEE: Elric the Enchanter * not separately listed on the 1CD version Needle Gun 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword 1 Night of the Hawk 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 a Needle Gun/ Arioch 7" 1 a Needle Gun 12" EP L 2 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 3 Live Chronicles L 3 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 4 Live At Reading '86 L 5 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed * 1a is an edited version of 1. * track re-ordered on 2CD version but remains unchanged Neon Skyline 1 The Xenon Codex 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] New Jerusalem L 1 Orgasmatron L 1 a Live - St.Albans 1979 (*) 1 and 1a are from the same tour Night Of The Hawk 1 The Earth Ritual Preview EP 1 Night of the Hawk/ Green Finned Demon 7" 1 Independent Days, Vol. II 1 Night of the Hawk 1 Utopia 1984 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 L 2 California Brainstorm L 3 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Nocturne 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 The Agents of Chaos * This track is also the first part of "A Day" on the same album. Now Is The Winter Of Our Discontent SEE: Winter of Discontent Nuclear Drive 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] 1 Angels of Death 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] * Based on the music from version 1 of Nuclear Toy Nuclear Toy 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock 2 Who's Gonna Win the War?/ Nuclear Toy 7" 2 Levitation [Griffin CD Only] 2 Silver Machine CD On The Case 1 Earthed to the Ground 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD One Change 1 Doremi Fasol Latido The Only Ones 1 Hawklords 1 Repeat Performance (Only) The Dead Dreams Of The Cold War Kid 1 Hawklords 1 25 Years/ PXR5/ Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid 12" EP 1 25 Years/Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid 7" 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge Opa-Loka 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time Orgone Accumulator L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 Masters of the Universe [UA Compilation] L 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 1 a US double 7" EP L 2 Space Ritual II L 2 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 2 a Live '70/'73 L 2 a Welcome To The Future L 2 b Early Daze L 3 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin L 4 Undisclosed Files * 1a is a cut version of 1 * 2a is a cut version of 2 * 2b is a cut version of 2a * Versions 1 and 2 are from the same tour Oscillations 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 Earthed to the Ground Out Of The Shadows 1 Space Bandits 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 2 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 3 California Brainstorm L 4 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Over the Top L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock L 1 Sonic Assassins 12" EP L 1 Independent Days, Vol. I L 1 Victoria double album L 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 L 1 The Hawklords Live L 1 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Anagram] * This also includes The Awakening PXR5 1 PXR5 1 a 25 Years/ PXR5/ Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid 12" EP * 1a is a cut version of 1 Paradox L 1 Hall Of The Mountain Grill L 1 US Forces Radio album featuring Hawkwind & Jefferson Starship L 1 a Paradox/ You'd Better Believe It 7" L 1 a Stasis L 1 a Lord of Light * 1a is a cut of 1 Paranoia 1 Hawkwind 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 a Roadhawks 1 a (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords L 2 In The Beginning L 2 The Text Of Festival L 3 The Text Of Festival LP {Improvise, Comprise, Reprise} L 4 BBC Transcription Disc LP 4 Space Rock from London L 4 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 5 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 [First release of tape only] L 6 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords {Paranoia II} L 7 Bristol Custom Bike Show {Silver Machine/Paranoia} L 7 Dawn of Hawkwind CD {Silver Machine/Paranoia} L 8 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed * 1a is Part II only * Paranoia occurs twice on The Text of Festival LP * 6 is the intro only * 7 Paranoia is not separately listed on the Bristol Custom Bike Show Parasites Are Here On Earth 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams The Phenomenon of Luminosity 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock {Satellite} Pipe Dreams 1 White Zone 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Prelude 1 Levitation 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 1 Silver Machine CD Processed 1 Zones/ Processed 7" 2 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous {The Camera that Could Lie} 2 Decide Your Future EP and CD single {The Camera that Could Lie} L 3 The Business Trip {The Camera That Could Lie} * Lyrics taken from "Living on a Knife Edge" Psi Power 1 Hawklords 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 a Psi Power/ Deathtrap 7" 1 a Psi Power/Psi Power US 12" 1 a Repeat Performance 1 a Psi Power/Psi Power US 7" 1 b Psi Power/Psi Power US 7" L 2 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 3 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 3 Night Of The Hawk {Psychic Power} L 3 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic L 3 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Anagram] * 1a is an edit of 1 * 1b is an edit of 1a * The US 7" contains both the long and short single edits Psychedelia Lives SEE: Shot Down in the Night Psychedelic Warlords 1 Hall Of The Mountain Grill 1 US Forces Radio album featuring Hawkwind & Jefferson Starship 1 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 1 a Psychedelic Warlords/ It's so Easy 7" 1 a Psychedelic Warlords/Hall of the Mountain Grill/D-Rider/Wind of Change US EP 1 a Stasis 1 a (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords 2 Silver Machine 10th Anniversary 7" EP L 3 The Golden Void L 4 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 L 5 Rock City * 1a is an edit of 1 Psychic Power SEE Psi Power Psychosis 1 Levitation 1 Ironstrike 1 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 1 Silver Machine CD L 2 This Is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic L 2 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 2 Utopia 1984 Psychosonia 1 Sonic Attack 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] The Pulsing Cavern 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword L 2 Live Chronicles L 2 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 3 Live At Reading '86 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm 1 Quark Strangeness And Charm 1 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Forge of Vulcan 7" 1 Quark, Strangeness, and Charm/ The Iron Dream 7" 1 Repeat Performance 1 Rock On - with Hawkwind and Van Der Graaf Generator 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II L 2 Acid Daze Vol. II L 2 Castle Masters Collection L 2 The Hawkwind Collection L 2 Ironstrike L 2 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] L 2 Best of Hawkwind L 3 Rock City 4 Quark Strangeness and Charm CD single L 4a The Business Trip * 4a is the single mix with added audience noise at the end Raping Robots in the Street 1 Social Alliance/ Raping Robots in the Street 7" Realms 1 Space Bandits The Reason Is? 1 Hawkwind Reefer Madness 1 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 California Brainstorm The Right Stuff L 1 Orgasmatron L 2 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 3 The Business Trip Right to Decide 1 Electric Teepee 1 Decide Your Future EP and CD single 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 2 Decide Your Future EP and CD single (Radio Edit Mix) L 3 Rock City L 4 The Business Trip * 2 is performed by Alien Prophets Rites of Netherworld 1 Electric Tepee Robot L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield L 1 a Friends And Relations I L 1 a Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Flicknife] L 1 a Victoria double album L 1 b Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Anagram] L 2 PXR5 L 3 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line * 1a is an edit of 1 * 1b is a cut of 1a Rocky Paths 1 Sonic Attack 1 Angels of Death 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 2 Live Chronicles 2 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] Running Through The Back Brain 1 Zones 1 Zones/Stonehenge CD Sadness Runs Deep 1 Electric Teepee Satellite SEE The Phenomenon of Luminosity The Scan 1 Choose Your Masques The Sea King 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword L 2 Live Chronicles Secret Agent 1 Electric Teepee Seeing It As You Really Are 1 Hawkwind L 2 In The Beginning L 2 The Text of Festival L 3 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol III LP L 3 Acid daze Vol III LP L 3 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol II CD L 3 a + Night Riding L 3 a + The Best and The Rest of Hawkwind L 3 a + The Hawkwind Collection LP L 3 b + The Hawkwind Anthology Castle Communications 3CD L 3 c + Roadhawks L 3 c + (The Best of) The Psychedelic Warlords L 3 c + Stasis L 4 Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 {Jam} * The track is not listed on the tracklist for albums marked "+" but is the 2nd half of a segue with You Shouldn't Do That as the encore to Space Ritual Alive * 3 is the complete version plus a speech at the end * 3a is version 3 with no speech * 3b is version 3 but with a slightly cut end to the music * 3c is version 3 but with a cut at the beginning and an overlay of the Silver Machine intro at the end * Version 4, on Weird 106, is the end of a Roahhawks style "jam" based on this track. Self 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Seven by Seven 1 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1972] A1/B1 1 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1972] A1/B2 1 b Silver Machine/7 by 7/Lord of Light/Born to Go German double 7" EP ? 1 ? Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1976] 1 b Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1978] A3/B3 1 b Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 12" [1978] 1 b Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 12" [1983] 1 b Stasis 1 b Lord of Light L 2 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 2 Space Rock from London L 2 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 3 Space Ritual Alive L 3 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1983] L 3 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [after 1983] L 4 Space Ritual II L 4 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 4 Ridicule L 4 a Live '70/'73 L 4 a Welcome To The Future * 1a is a remix of 1 - both released in 1972 * 1b is a remix of 1 * 2a is a remix of 2 * 3a is a cut version of 3 * 4a is a cut version of 4 Shade Gate 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword L 2 Live Chronicles L 2 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] Ship Of Dreams 1 Space Bandits Shot Down in the Night L 1 Live '79 L 1 Ironstrike L 1 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] L 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 1 a Shot Down in the Night/ Urban Guerilla 7" L 1 a Night Riding L 1 a Silver Machine CD L 1 b Live - St.Albans 1979 2 This Is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic 3 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] 3 a Friends And Relations III {Psychedelia Lives} 3 a Best of Hawkwind Friends And Relations CD {Psychedelia Lives} 3 a Hawkwind Friends And Relations - The Rarities CD {Psychedelia Lives} 4 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 5 Orgasmatron * 1a is an edited version of 1 * 1b is a poorer mix of 1 * 3a is a cut from the middle of 3 Silver Machine L 1 Orgasmatron L 2 Glastonbury Fayre L 2 Assassins of Allah LP L 2 Dawn of Hawkwind CD 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1972] 3 X In Search Of Space [Spanish album only] 3 Doremifasolatido [Japanese album only] 3 US double 7" EP 3 Silver Machine/7 by 7/Lord of Light/Born to Go German double 7" EP 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1978] 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 12" [1978] 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1983] 3 Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 12" [1983] 3 Silver Machine/ Urban Guerilla 7" [Dutch 1989] 3 Stasis 3 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords 3 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 3 a Roadhawks 3 a Silver Machine/ Urban Guerilla 7" [German 1975] ? 3 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [1976] 3 a Silver Machine/ Seven by Seven 7" [after 1983] L 4 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 4 Space Rock from London L 4 a BBC Radio - Live In Concert CD L 5 BBC Transcription Disc - The Brian Matthews Show L 5? Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 6 Early Daze L 6 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin L 7 Live '79 L 7 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 8 Silver Machine/Magnu 7" L 8 Silver Machine/Magnu 7" motorbike shaped pic disk L 8 Silver Machine Live 12" EP L 8 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 8 Ironstrike L 8 British Tribal Music L 8 Castle Masters Collection L 8 Night Riding L 8 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 8 The Early Years Live EP L 8 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I CD L 8 Acid Daze Vol. III CD L 8 The Hawkwind Collection L 8 Best of Hawkwind CD L 8 Silver Machine CD 9 Choose Your Masques 9 Silver Machine 10th Anniversary 7" EP [long version] 9 a Silver Machine 10th Anniversary 7" EP [short version] L 10 Bristol Custom Bike Show L 10 Assassins of Allah LP L 10 Dawn of Hawkwind CD {Silver Machine/Paranoia} L 11 Live At Reading '86 L 12 Travellers Aid Trust {Washing [Silver] Machine} * Version 2 was recorded at the Roundhouse in 1972 and not at Glastonbury. Version 3 was mixed from version 2 at Rockfield. * Version 3a was remixed from 3 for the Roadhawks album by overlapping the end of the Shouldn't Do That track from the Space Ritual encore with the start of the version 3 single. * Version 4a is a remix from version 4 * Version 7 stops with an explosion soon after the track begins * The 10th anniversary 7" EP contained both the version from the Choose Your Masques album, and a shorter edited version. This EP was also released as a pic disk with the covers from Warrior On The Edge of Time and Doremifasolatido * Two versions of Silver Machine on Assassins of Allah LP and three versions on Dawn of Hawkwind CD Slap it on de Table 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals 1 a Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield (a) The 1a version runs out halfway through Sleep of 1000 Tears 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword L 2 * The Chronicle of the Black Sword [Flicknife] CD L 2 Live Chronicles [2CD only] L 2 Independent Days, Vol. II L 2 Zarozinia 12" EP (*) Two versions of this song are on the Flicknife CD Snake Dance L 1 The Cyberspace Conspiracy L 2 California Brainstorm {Eons} L 3 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed 4 Electric Teepee Social Alliance 1 Social Alliance/ Raping Robots in the Street 7" 1 Independent Days, Vol. I 2 Zones 2 Zones/Stonehenge CD 2 Utopia 1984 2 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Anagram] Solitary Mind Games 1 Angels of Death 1 Choose Your Masques L 2 Out And Intake Some People Never Die SEE - Assassination Something's Going On 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Song Of The Swords 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword 1 Needle Gun 12" EP L 2 Live Chronicles L 2 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] Sonic Attack L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 1 a Space Ritual II L 1 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 1 b Live '70/'73 L 1 b Welcome To The Future L 1 c Sonic Attack promo 7" L 1 c Masters of the Universe [Compilation] L 2 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin L 2 a Early Daze L 3 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords L 4 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 5 The Hawklords Live L 6 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] 7 Sonic Attack 8 Zones 8 Zones/Stonehenge CD L 9 Undisclosed Files * 1a is the same as 1 but with a different intro 1b is 1a with the end cut short 1c is 1 but faded at the end 2a is the same as 2 but with part of the intro cut Sound..Shouldn't..Improvise... SEE: You Shouldn't Do That Space SEE: Electronic #1 SEE: Space Is Deep Space Chase 1 Levitation 1 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] 1 Silver Machine CD L 2 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic L 2 Utopia 1984 L 2 Zones/Stonehenge CD Space Dust 1 Electric Teepee Space Is Deep 1 Doremi Fasol Latido 1 Roadhawks 1 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Space Ritual Alive L 2 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 L 2 British Tribal Music L 2 Stasis L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II CD L 2 Acid Daze Vol. III L 2 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III L 2 The Hawkwind Collection L 2 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 2 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 2 Best of Hawkwind 3 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams {Space} Space is their (Palestine) 1 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous L 2 Rock City Space Travellers 1 Weird 107 - Dave Brock Speed of Light SEE: Transdimensional Man Spiral Galaxy 28948 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time Spirit Of The Age L 1 Orgasmatron {Starfarer's Despatch} 2 Quark Strangeness And Charm 2 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 2 Repeat Performance 2 Tales From Atom Henge 2 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 3 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords L 3 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD L 3 Friends And Relations II LP (Twice Upon A Time) L 3a Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 4 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 L 5 The Hawklords Live L 6 Live '79 L 6 The Hawkwind Collection L 6 Ironstrike L 6 Castle Masters Collection L 6 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 6 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 6 The Early Years Live EP L 6 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 6 Acid Daze Vol. I L 6 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 6 Best of Hawkwind L 7 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 8 Spirit of the Age (Solstice Remixes) (a) 3a from the same tour as 3 (b) 6 the sound quality on this recording varies considerably * 8 four mixes performed by Astralasia Spirits 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 Earthed to the Ground Sputnik Stan L 1 Rock City Standing at the Edge 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time Star Cannibal 1 Church of Hawkwind [LP and CD] Starfarer's Despatch SEE: Spirit of the Age Starflight 1 Out And Intake 1 Night Of The Hawk L 2 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Steppenwolf 1 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music 1 Repeat Performance 1 Spirit of the Age [Charisma Compilation] 1 Tales From Atom Henge 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 L 3 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line L 4 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 Stonehenge Decoded L 1 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic Streets of Fear 1 Weird 107 - Dave Brock 1 a Sonic Attack (a) 1a based on Brock Demo version 1 Sweet Mistress of Pain 1 Hawkwind Zoo 12" EP 1 Victoria double album 1 Independent Days, Vol. II {Kiss Of The Velvet Whip} 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 1 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Anagram] Sweet Obsession 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 Earthed to the Ground Sword Of The East 1 The Xenon Codex 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] Techno Tropic Zone Exists 1 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous Ten Seconds Of Forever L 1 Ridicule L 1 Space Ritual Alive L 1 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 1 Space Ritual II Terra Mystica 1 The Business Trip This Future SEE - Welcome To the Future Tibet is not China (I) 1 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous L 2 Rock City Tibet is not China (II) 1 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous Tides 1 The Xenon Codex Time and Space 1 White Zone Time We Left 1 Doremi Fasol Latido {Time We Left This World Today} L 2 Space Ritual Alive {Time We Left This World Today} L 3 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 3 Space Ritual II L 4 Palace Springs L 5 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed Time of 1 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords 1 a Who's Gonna Win the War?/ Time of 7" (a) 1a is a cut version of 1 Touchdown 1 Weird 107 - Dave Brock Trans Dimensional Man 1 Weird 107 {Speed of Light} 1 a Angels of Death/ Trans Dimensional Man 7" (a) 1a is based on Brock Demo 1 Treadmill L 1 Palace Springs L 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] (*) Lyrics are taken from "A Day" Turner Point L 1 Out And Intake TV Suicide 1 Space Bandits L 2 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords L 2 a California Brainstorm (a) 2 and 2a are from the same tour U.F.O. Line 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Uncle Sam's On Mars L 1 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield L 1 Weird 103 - Free Festivals L 2 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 3 PXR5 3 Repeat Performance 4 Quark Strangeness and Charm CD single (Red Planet Radio Mix) 5 Quark Strangeness and Charm CD single (Martian Conquest Mix) Upside Down L 1 Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 1 a Space Ritual Alive L 1 a Space Ritual II * Versions 1 and 1a are from the same tour Urban Guerilla L 1 Live '70/'73 L 1 Welcome To The Future L 1 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin 2 Urban Guerilla/Brainbox Pollution 7" 2 Urban Guerilla/Urban Guerilla US 7" 2 Silver Machine/ Urban Guerilla 7" 2 Roadhawks 2 Stasis 2 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords L 3 Weird 104 - Hawklords/Hawkwind Live 1978 L 4 British Tribal Music L 4 Ironstrike L 4 Castle Masters Collection L 4 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 4 The Early Years Live EP L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol 1 L 4 Acid Daze Vol 1 L 4 The Hawkwind Collection L 4 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 4 Silver Machine {Spectrum compilation} L 4 a Shot Down In The Night / Urban Guerilla 7" L 4 b Live - St Albans 1979 * 4a is an edited version of 4 (cut at the end) 4b is a poorer mix of 4 Utopia 1 Choose Your Masques Utopia '84 L 1 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 2 Zones 2 Zones/Stonehenge CD 2 Utopia 1984 Valium Ten 1 Motorhead / Valium 10 12" single 1 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD 1 Friends And Relations I 1 a Motorhead/ Valium Ten 7" 1 a Night of the Hawk 1 Victoria double album 1 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/ Hawklords 1 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 (a) 1a is an edited version of 1 Virgin Of The World {see also: Experiment with Destiny} L 1 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] 2 Sonic Attack 2 Angels of Death * lyrics printed in Church of Hawkwind book but not used on that album. Part lyrics only used in Sonic Attack version. Voice Inside My Head SEE: Brainstorm Void City 1 Choose Your Masques Void of Golden Light SEE The Golden Void Void's End SEE The Golden Void Wage War 1 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin 1 a Live '70/'73 1 a Welcome To The Future (a) 1a is a cut version of 1 Waiting For Tomorrow 1 Angels of Death 1 Choose Your Masques L 2 * The Golden Void 3 * Out And Intake * versions 2 and 3 are from the same tour The War SEE Who's Gonna Win the War? The War I Survived 1 The Xenon Codex 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Chronicle of The Black Sword (Dojo and Griffin CD only) Warrior on the Edge of Time L 1 Out And Intake CD Warriors 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time Wastelands SEE: Wastelands of Sleep Wastelands Of Sleep 1 The Xenon Codex 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 2 The Agents of Chaos LP 2 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD L 3 * The Business Trip {Wastelands} * 3 is instrumental only, substantially reworked. The Watcher 1 Doremi Fasol Latido Watchfield Festival SEE: You Shouldn't Do That SEE: Brainstorm Watching The Grass Grow L 1 This is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic L 1 Independent Days, Vol. II L 1 Utopia 1984 L 2 Undisclosed Files Wave upon Wave 1 It is the Business of the Future to be Dangerous L 2 The Business Trip {Altair} We Do It L 1 In The Beginning {I do It} L 1 The Text Of Festival {I do It} L 1 a The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III L 1 a British Tribal Music L 1 a Acid Daze Vol. III L 1 a Friends And Relations II (Twice Upon A Time) L 1 a Weird 106 - Hawkwind 1970-73 L 1 b The Hawkwind Collection LP (a) 1a and 1b are cut versions of 1. We Took The Wrong Step Years Ago 1 X In Search Of Space Web Weaver 1 Hall Of The Mountain Grill Welcome To The Future L 1 Glastonbury Fayre L 1 Assassins of Allah LP L 1 Dawn of Hawkwind CD L 2 BBC Transcription Disc LP L 2 Space Rock From London L 2 a BBC Radio - Live in Concert CD L 3 Space Ritual Alive L 3 a Ridicule L 3 a Hawkwind Live [Imtrat] L 3 ab Space Ritual II L 4 Bring Me The Head of Yuri Gagarin L 4 Live '70/'73 L 4 Welcome To The Future L 5 Weird 102 - Hawkwind Live/Hawklords {The Future} L 6 The Business Trip {This Future} (a) 2a is remixed from 2 (b) 3a is from the same tour as 3 When the Going Gets Tough 1 Friends And Relations III Where are they Now? 1 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 The White Zone 1 White Zone 1 Strange Trips And Pipe Dreams Who's Gonna Win The War? L 1 Weird 101 - Sonic Assasins/ Dave Brock L 1 a Friends And Relations I L 1 a Victoria double album L 1 a Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD L 1 b Night Of The Hawk L 1 b Independent Days, Vol. I L 1 c Who's Gonna Win the War?/ Time of 7" L 2 Live - St.Albans 1979 3 Levitation 3 Ironstrike 3 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] 3 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] 3 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] 3 Silver Machine CD 3 a Who's Gonna Win the War?/ Nuclear Toy 7" L 4 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] L 4 The Hawkwind Collection L 4 Castle Masters Collection {The War} L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 4 Acid Daze Vol. I L 4 * Best of Hawkwind (*) 1a, 1b, and 1c are edits & remixes of 1 3a is an edit of 3 4* the end has been slightly cut short Wind Of Change 1 Hall Of The Mountain Grill 1 Roadhawks 1 Psychedelic Warlords/Hall of the Mountain Grill/D-Rider/Wind of Change US EP 1 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 1 US Forces Radio album featuring Hawkwind & Jefferson Starship 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Weird 105 - Hawkwind 1976-77 [Second release of tape only] L 3 The Cyberspace Conspiracy Window Pane 1 White Zone Wings 1 Space Bandits 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] Winter of Discontent 1 Weird 107 - Dave Brock 1 a Earthed to The Ground {Now is the Winter of Our Discontent} 1 a Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD Wired Up For Sound SEE: Earthed to the Ground The Wizard Blew His Horn 1 Warrior On The Edge Of Time Wizards Of Pan Tang SEE: Brainstorm Words of a Song 1 Dave Brock & the Agents of Chaos CD 1 The Agents of Chaos * The lyrics for this song also used in Back in The Box World Of Tiers L 1 Live - St.Albans 1979 2 Levitation 2 Spirit of The Age ["Elite" compilation CD] L 3 British Tribal Music L 3 Castle Masters Collection L 3 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I L 3 Acid Daze Vol. I L 3 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I CD You Know You're Only Dreaming 1 X In Search Of Space 1 The Best of Hawkwind [EMI Metal Classics cassette] 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 {Dreaming} L 2 In The Beginning L 2 The Text Of Festival L 2 Early Daze L 2 a Live '70/'73 L 2 a Welcome To The Future L 3 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed L 4 The Business Trip {The Dream Has Ended} * 2a is a cut version of 2 You Shouldn't Do That 1 X In Search Of Space 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 2 Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 L 2 a In The Beginning L 2 a The Text Of Festival L 3 * The Text of Festival LP {Sound Shouldn't Improvise} L 3 * The Text of Festival CD {Improvise, Comprise, Reprise} L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II CD L 4 Acid Daze Vol. III L 4 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP L 4 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind L 4 Night Riding L 4 The Hawkwind Collection LP L 4 a Roadhawks L 4 a Stasis L 4 a (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords L 4 a Silver Machine CD L 4 b Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 5 * The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II {Watchfield Festival} L 5 * Acid Daze Vol. II {Watchfield Festival} L 6 Rock City L 7 The Business Trip {Do That} * Two versions of this on Text Of Festival The CD track is misnamed for another track on the album. * 2a is a cut of 2 * On 4-4b You Shouldn't Do That formed the 1st half of a segue with Seeing It As You Really Are as the encore to Space Ritual Alive * 4 is the complete version plus intro * 4a is version 5 with a cut intro * 4b is version 5 with no intro * The Watchfield festival track is a jam based on You Shouldn't Do That You'd Better Believe It L 1 Hall Of The Mountain Grill L 1 a Paradox/ You'd Better Believe It 7" L 1 a Stasis L 1 a Lord of Light (a) 1a is edited from 1 Zarozinia 1 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword 1 Zarozinia 12" EP 1 Zarozinia/ Assault and Battery 7" 1 Night Of The Hawk L 2 Live Chronicles L 2 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] Zones 1 Zones/ Processed 7" 2 Zones 2 Zones/Stonehenge CD 2 Utopia 1984 From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu Sep 28 15:15:09 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:15:09 BST Subject: Hawkwind Discography Update Message-ID: > > Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 > Space is Deep (73) > Down on Her Knees (73) > Live and Let Live (73) > Etchanatae (73) > Roll `em Pete (66) > Come On (66) > Dealing With the Devil (67) > Bring It on Home (68) > Dreaming (71) > Shouldn't Do That (71) > With reguard to the tracks dated '66 to '68, are these Hawkwind Zoo, Project X or just Dave Brock solo stuff? Last year I went to a record fair and a guy had all the weird tapes for a fiver each, I don't half wish I'd bought them!!!! bye - Rob From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Thu Sep 28 10:44:09 1995 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 10:44:09 -0400 Subject: [HW] Brock's Strange Trips Message-ID: I basically had stopped reading my BOC-L mail for a few months when the s/n ratio went down the toilet, so I missed the discussions about Brock's newest. Am I the only one that thinks this is a fabulous album? David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) So storm through the barricades and raise your hands up high All of you pull down your walls, help those too scared to try Don't let them tell you it's only a dream, for never to dream is to die. Don't close your eyes. - "For Your Eyes" - ARAGON From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Sep 28 10:40:50 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 10:40:50 -0400 Subject: My expectations will melt, and then my wallet... In-Reply-To: <199509281212.IAA11430@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Sep 28, 95 08:12:25 am Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > As far as the SFG/SWU songs, it would have been nice for those to have > been on WOTT, but Sony (based on what the blurb this summer in ICE > magazine said) did not state that that stuff would be in WOTT - they > hinted at doing more stuff later, including some live material and the > SFG stuff -- and they are working with the band on this. Again, I think > that alot of that will hinge on the commercial success of WOTT. Which > means, the only way that we might see that follow-up happen is we all > go buy a copy, and maybe a few for our friends a relatives (Christmas > will be here before you know it). I think this is a stupid marketing strategy. Actually, it may not be so much stupid as just plain unethical: hint at being able to buy some good product in the future so long as you buy something crappy now (in the hope they'll hold up their end of the bargain). It's highly likely nowadays that the only real market for Blue Oyster Cult material is amongst their established fan base. Most people I know (not on this list) will say "Blue Oyster Who?" at the mention of BOC. It's sad, I know, but facts are facts. Given that most potential sales will be generated by those who are already fans (to a greater or lesser extent) of the band, does it make sense for Sony to pursue the current marketing strategy as typified by _Workshop of the Telescopes_? Does it make sense for Sony to sell a package of which 90% of the material the buyer will likely already own? Maybe Sony genuinely *believes* there's a sucker born every minute, but personally I think that a happy customer is a repeat customer, and that knowing you've been conned doesn't sit well with most folks. Is there a market for a release of "rare and unreleased" BOC material. Yes. It may not be volume, but since these are extant recordings, the overheads are fairly negligible compared to recording an entirely new album. There is a very healthy market for obscure re-releases. There are lots of "from the archives" packages coming out all the time, for all sorts of artists, famous and obscure. They may not sell like Billboard favourites, but they do sell and cover their costs. Heck, I think that a BOC package containing largely unreleased material but including the regular versions of the "radio hits" amongst it would sell better than that offered on _Workshop of the Telescopes_. Certainly, there would be a lot less people feeling ripped off. I, for one, *won't* be buying _Workshop of the Telescopes_. Why? I have the "bootleg EP" already on CD (as well as all the BOC regular releases). So it comes down to this: should I shell out over $18 for the ONE TRACK I do not have (the studio version of "Born to be Wild")? I think not. I'll save my money for the next Brain Surgeons release... > Although, I must say - if you want to buy your friends or relatives a > good Christmas present, send 'em a copy of *Trepanation* too. This is good advice! Cheers, Paul. PS: It's silly they left off "Cities on Flame" from the "bootleg EP." There's such a good segue into it from "Workshop of the Telescopes," and the version itself is a rollicking good rendition. I particularly like Albert's fluid drumming. obGig: The Glen Miller Orchestra, 25/9/95 e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Sep 28 11:12:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:12:00 EDT Subject: HW Live Chronicles Video CD & BOC Workshop Box Set Message-ID: I'm really envious of the UK people with their access to shows and releases that aren't easily gotten in the States. The latest video CD release of the Live Chronicles show really breaks it for me. This is my favorite album (in my bio, AB) and to have it in sight and sound with new music is something I'd really appreciate. While I applaud the new independent house's efforts in breaking new ground, they leave a large market untapped. Not only do I live in another country, but I haven't gotten a video CD because the universal format is not fixed yet (nor has the price found a true level). I don't want to buy another Betamax. I hope a VHS version with wider distribution comes out sometime. The need is there, whether or not it will be filled legitimately is the next question. I'm a BOC neophyte. While the reviews of the WOT box set are being done from a more hard core point-of-view, some of the caveats have made me wonder if I should dip my toe in this or some other compilation. What would you guys suggest as the best initial sampler for somebody who is curious, but not necessarily committed yet? I saw Career of Evil (?) CD in a cheapie bin and that seemed to include a number of the primary songs from the dream set list. Is that a more cost effective 1st step? ( )--(a) (@=@=) \ Rudy the ferret mage O__) \ \___ \ \ (Ever watchful for Hawks from above & beyond) /\ * ) \ From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 28 16:15:06 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:15:06 BST Subject: Hawkwind Discography Update In-Reply-To: Rob S's message of Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:15:09 BST Message-ID: Rob S writes: > > > > Weird 108 - Hawkwind 1966-73 > > Space is Deep (73) > > Down on Her Knees (73) > > Live and Let Live (73) > > Etchanatae (73) > > Roll `em Pete (66) > > Come On (66) > > Dealing With the Devil (67) > > Bring It on Home (68) > > Dreaming (71) > > Shouldn't Do That (71) > > > > > With reguard to the tracks dated '66 to '68, are these > Hawkwind Zoo, Project X or just Dave Brock solo stuff? > Last year I went to a record fair and a guy had all > the weird tapes for a fiver each, I don't half wish > I'd bought them!!!! Wolden Studios will still sell them at around that price > > bye - Rob FoFP From FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG Thu Sep 28 12:40:25 1995 From: FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG (DAVID FURST) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 10:40:25 -0600 Subject: t-shirts & Mistress Message-ID: Just another prompt to those delinquent Nethawk t-shirt purchasers - c'mon ladies and gentlemen - The star clock is ticking and it is now autumn - I'd really like to get this shirt in time to wear it before temperatures drop below zero!! An observation re: MotSS - I just learned yesterday of the "Garden District" in New Orleans. Is this what the first line of MotSS refers to? Makes sense. I learned of the District from a brochure of a Voodoo/Vampire Walking Tour brought back from N.Orleans. Comment Al or anyone? MotSS is thee ultimate autumn/halloween season song IMO. dusters dust to thee, Mr. Boy From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 28 17:07:40 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:07:40 BST Subject: t-shirts & Mistress In-Reply-To: DAVID FURST's message of Thu, 28 Sep 1995 10:40:25 -0600 Message-ID: DAVID FURST writes: > Just another prompt to those delinquent Nethawk t-shirt purchasers - c'mon > ladies and gentlemen - The star clock is ticking and it is now autumn - I'd > really like to get this shirt in time to wear it before temperatures drop below > zero!! Latest story: Brian is about to send his money. Bill Stewart has sent his but we're now worried that it got lost in the mail. Robert Rudich will send his imminently. Taiphoon emailed me but I can't remember what he said. Repost please? No word from Witch Doktressa or Chris Hodge at all. I figure a Monday blastoff. I'll cover for Bill's cash if it has to be sorted out with insurance. Chris and Witch get fried on the launchpad if they don't get aboard by then.... FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Sep 28 12:32:56 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:32:56 -0400 Subject: My expectations will melt, and then my wallet... Message-ID: Paul comments on my comments, and now I have more comments . . . John A Swartz writes: > As far as the SFG/SWU songs, it would have been nice for those to have > been on WOTT, but Sony (based on what the blurb this summer in ICE > magazine said) did not state that that stuff would be in WOTT - they > hinted at doing more stuff later, including some live material and the > SFG stuff -- and they are working with the band on this. Again, I think > that alot of that will hinge on the commercial success of WOTT. Which > means, the only way that we might see that follow-up happen is we all > go buy a copy, and maybe a few for our friends a relatives (Christmas > will be here before you know it). I think this is a stupid marketing strategy. Actually, it may not be so much stupid as just plain unethical: hint at being able to buy some good product in the future so long as you buy something crappy now (in the hope they'll hold up their end of the bargain). I think you've mis-interpreted. I don't think that WOTT is meant to be a "teaser" by Sony. I believe that Sony does not right now know if BOC is commercially viable (we've had LOTS of talk about that right here on BOC-L), and therefore they do not want to take the financial risks to release material that is currently not in their control (i.e. the SFG stuff and various live recordings perhaps) - the blurb in ICE stated that Sony was in the process of working with the band, and my guess is that is still on-going. Meanwhile, though, recognizing that there really isn't a "definitive" BOC greatest hits collection, they decided to release WOTT - which for them is relatively inexpensive as they have the recording rights to all of the tracks. Sony has not made statemenst to the effect of "if you buy this, we'll give you more" -- that is my (and others here) perception of what Sony will do: if WOTT makes them some money, they will explore releasing more BOC - if WOTT is not a commercial success, then they won't extend themselves further in BOC's direction. But again, they have made no public statements (to my knowledge) to that effect. The statement in ICE hinted at more material in the future, but it is our interpretation that WOTT needs to sell first. Also, I hardly think WOTT is "crappy" -- it is a very good "greatest hits" package. Yeah, I've got most of the stuff already, so maybe I don't need this (or, as a collector, maybe I do), but there may be lots of people that this package is right for. How 'bout the folks who listened to BOC in the 70's and early 80's that haven't bothered to get all of their BOC albums on CD? Perhaps there's alot of folks not real familiar with BOC beyond the "Big 3" that would like to get a good "greatest hits" package to get more into the band (rather than picking up select studio albums). The problem may be that WOTT doesn't completely address some of us "hardcore" fans - the ones that already have all of BOCs albums (including former compilations, and maybe even some "unofficial" releases) on CD already, and the ones that are still holding on waiting for some new stuff by the band. >Does it make sense for Sony to sell a package of which 90% of the material the buyer will likely already own? Maybe Sony genuinely *believes* there's a sucker born every minute, but personally I think that a happy customer is a repeat customer, and that knowing you've been conned doesn't sit well with most folks. As I pointed out, perhaps Sony is counting on selling this to old fans that don't necessarily have everything BOC has released (at least not on CD). I happen to know from correspondence with several BOC fans that the internet connections to BOC (like BOC-L, the AOL boards, the web pages) have helped many old fans "re-discover" BOC. Perhaps this package will help old fans also re-discover BOC. As far as being "conned", I don't Sony has done that. Look on the back of WOTT -- the previously unreleased tracks are identified by asterisks. The set claims to be a "greatest hits" package, along with some stuff previously either unreleased or not ever on CD. And WOTT is that. If you don't need that, well, then you shouldn't get it. On the other hand, if you do know someone who would either say "Blue Oyster Who?", or only know the band 'cuz of "the big 3", then I would say to them - "Buy this CD set and you will know who BOC is". And as far as "there's a sucker born every minute", well I'm sure that that attitude is fairly prevalent in the record industry. And, when it comes to BOC, I'd have to admit that I'm one of those suckers. But still, I don't feel conned -- the CD set is pretty close to what I was led to believe it would be. >I, for one, *won't* be buying _Workshop of the Telescopes_. Why? I have the "bootleg EP" already on CD (as well as all the BOC regular releases). So it comes down to this: should I shell out over $18 for the ONE TRACK I do not have (the studio version of "Born to be Wild")? I think not. I would not disagree with you. This release is probably not for you. I don't know if Sony expects someone such as yourself to buy it - and they may not know how many people such as yourself (who have nearly everything on CD already) there are. But, again, consider buying it for someone else who has not got such an extensive BOC collection. It is a great representation of the band, despite some of the omissions that have been discussed here. I mean, if someone came to you saying that they want to here a BOC album - this would be a great one to give them. John PS: Just in case anyone is wondering, I have absolutely NO affiliation with Sony what-so-ever. My encouragement for people to buy (perhaps even multiple copies of) WOTT is that I feel: 1. For the fan that doesn't have everything, or for the person who needs to be indoctrinated into BOC, this is the best single package that's out there. 2. While I have no specific knowledge to back this up, my personal feeling is that the only hope we have of Sony and BOC getting together to see that other unreleased stuff (live material, SWU/SFG demos) is ever released is to show them that there is still some commercial viability for BOC, and the best way to do that is to see that WOTT sells well. These are my opinions, and I say in FAQ, they are too crazy to be attributable to anyone but myself. From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Thu Sep 28 13:39:53 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:39:53 +0000 Subject: Hawkwind Discography Update -Reply Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wolden Studios will still sell them at around that price <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< have you got an address for thees plaice? 'cos i alos have to admit to being weirdless. also, not seeing my name on the rollcall of non-payers i guess my tenner got there okay? ObLP: The sky.... - Porcupine Tree: saw they were supporting the hawks and flippe ddoen to my local groove shop (cheers for the address dave!) and got this. Hmmm, nicely nicely, a bit tasty in fact: ambience, a few beats, space evokations, geeetar whalings, a bit early (post-syd) floydish, a bit early here&now-ish, a bit orbish, very tasty. From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Sep 28 18:03:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:03:00 BST-1 Subject: My expectations will melt, and then my wallet... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9509281440.AA27625 at csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Paul holds forth: > It's highly likely nowadays that the only real market for Blue Oyster > Cult material is amongst their established fan base. Most people I > know (not on this list) will say "Blue Oyster Who?" at the mention of > BOC. It's sad, I know, but facts are facts. I suspect that the real market for this kind of thing is males aged 35-45, who used to be really into the band in question, had all their LPs (well, until they gave up circa 1980), but haven't ever upgraded to CD. In the meantime, they've got married, had kids, maybe got divorced, etc, and are looking to recapture their _jeunesse perdue_... so when they see the BOC compilation CD, they say, "wow, I really used to like them", and pick it up on impulse. (I'm thinking of a mate of mine who falls into exactly that category, except we're talking Uriah Heep not BOC, and he just snapped up the Heep box set. Happy as a sandboy, he was!) I really don't think hardcore fans are the main market, for the obvious reasons: (a) they've already got all the material, and (b) there's not that many of them anyway. - Andy From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Thu Sep 28 13:14:46 1995 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (cis4 at ABER.AC.UK) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:14:46 +0100 Subject: Helpful Hint No.29 Message-ID: Helpful Hint:-Remember to cancel your mail when you take your summer break. Chris, having to wade through 3765 (!) e-mails Chris I I I - - - O - - - I I- - ) - - - From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 28 19:42:08 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:42:08 BST Subject: Hawkwind: Wolden Studios In-Reply-To: Yuri Gagarin's message of Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:39:53 +0000 Message-ID: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Wolden Studios will still sell them at around that price > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > have you got an address for thees plaice? 'cos i alos have to admit > to being weirdless. For all those enquiring here's the latest address I have for these folk. Price was still 5.00 each last time I heard (which is a while ago now, I admit!). ********************************************************************* Subject: Wolden Studios (for Weird Tapes) Wolden Studios Mid Lodge Landcross Near Bideford EX39 5JB UK post is 5 pounds each including P & P -------------------------------------------------------- The Wierds are live tapes and studio out-takes done by Brock back in (circa) 1985. As I understand it they were made in an attempt to counter the enormous surge of bootleg and/or doubtfully semi-legit releases of early shows (eg Yuri Gagarin, Text of Festival, Early Daze etc. etc) that were being put out using rather poor quality tapes. Hawkwind weren't getting any income from this lot so Brock decided to make up a set of good quality early stuff and demos using his own tapes. On the whole they are extremely good - and are certainly of considerable interest - however when somebody then went out and bootlegged the 103 tape onto vinyl the Wierd Tape production came to a rather abrupt halt. However Wolden Studios are still more than happy to send out tapes on request so write now if you'd like some! > > ObLP: The sky.... - Porcupine Tree: saw they were supporting the > hawks and flippe ddoen to my local groove shop (cheers for the > address dave!) and got this. Hmmm, nicely nicely, a bit tasty in > fact: ambience, a few beats, space evokations, geeetar whalings, a > bit early (post-syd) floydish, a bit early here&now-ish, a bit > orbish, very tasty. Try Moonloop if you can find it (single CD). obParadise is a hot bath, loads of bath foam and Moonloop on endless replay..... 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Sep 28 19:44:36 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:44:36 BST Subject: OFF TOPIC: Calling Tanya Ruiz Message-ID: Hi Tanya, sorry I've lost your address but just to say thanks for returning the books. They arrived safely the other day 8-) cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Sep 28 15:02:43 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:02:43 -0400 Subject: My expectations will melt, and then my wallet... In-Reply-To: <199509281632.MAA23824@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > direction. But again, they have made no public statements (to my > knowledge) to that effect. The statement in ICE hinted at more material > in the future, but it is our interpretation that WOTT needs to sell > first. I still think that IF that is their strategy, then it is pretty cheesy. But as you point out, we don't know WHAT their strategy is. (That's part of the problem.) > Also, I hardly think WOTT is "crappy" -- it is a very good "greatest hits" > package. I think I should have elaborated; I meant "crappy" as in "poor value for money" (IMHO). > As I pointed out, perhaps Sony is counting on selling this to old fans > that don't necessarily have everything BOC has released (at least not on > CD). I happen to know from correspondence with several BOC fans that the > internet connections to BOC (like BOC-L, the AOL boards, the web pages) > have helped many old fans "re-discover" BOC. Perhaps this package will > help old fans also re-discover BOC. The crux of the biscuit, for me, is "what does this release contribute to the BOC catalogue?" Personally, I think it contributes little. There are *already* BOC compilations. (Including, even, the relatively recent re-hashing of _Cult Classics_.) What is there to entice the listener--both neophyte and old hand--to entreat themselves of this "new" product? When faced with _Workshop of the Telescopes_ and other BOC compilations on the shelf, what is it about the former than will guide the prospective buyer to choose it over the latter?? The novice doesn't "know" (by definition) that this is a "good" selection of BOC material. Surely it is better, in their mind, to save some money and buy another, cheaper, single-disc, offering. Meanwhile, the old hand will be scouring the track listing for tasty, unreleased, morsels, and be sorely disappointed. So, it seems to me, the new 2CD has little to tempt either camp. For me, the situation is even more cut and dried: I hate compilations. I rarely find them useful, except in the case where they are compilations of rare/obscure stuff. (Major kudos to The Bevis Frond's _A Gathering of Fronds_ in that respect!) Other than that, they represent, for me, very poor value for money. I think it is a red herring that Sony has to "make sure" BOC are "commercially viable" before they'll do anything more risque like releasing rare/unreleased material. What does that mean? No compilation is going to sell in volume unless it can cut across the spectrum and appeal to novices and Kollectors alike. (Do compilations consistently top the sales charts? I think not; new product sells, not old re-hashes.) There are LOADS of minor labels that specialise in reissues. There *IS* a market for this stuff. A morass of highly obscure blasts from the past is regularly spewed forth upon the market. Quite obviously the overheads involved are low enough to make it worthwhile. Maybe Sony wouldn't want to have their name associated with such an endeavour? I dunno. Surely they have some kind of sub-label they can get to handle this kind of thing, if image is a problem? > I would not disagree with you. This release is probably not for you. > I don't know if Sony expects someone such as yourself to buy it - and > they may not know how many people such as yourself (who have nearly > everything on CD already) there are. But, again, consider buying it > for someone else who has not got such an extensive BOC collection. It > is a great representation of the band, despite some of the omissions that > have been discussed here. I mean, if someone came to you saying that > they want to here a BOC album - this would be a great one to give them. Well, the vast bulk of my BOC collection is on vinyl. One day, probably, I shall get around to "upgrading" it to CD. But if I wanted to "introduce" someone to CD, I wouldn't waste my money on a compilation (which I consider to be little better than a "teaser", or "advertising" for the real thing). I would make them a "homebrew" compilation tape, instead. If they liked BOC, they could head off from there. I guess I'm just tired of seeing nothing but unimaginative compilations emerging under the BOC name (except for minor deviations) since _Imaginos_ (or _Club Ninja_ if you feel _Imaginos_ to be a Bouchard release). But like I said, I'm not what you'd call a fan of compilations... But hey, whatever floats your boat. Go out and buy _Workshop of the Telescopes_ if it hits the spot... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Sky Cries Mary, _This Timeless Turning_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Sep 28 14:11:07 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:11:07 -0400 Subject: My expectations will melt, and then my wallet... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Andrew Gilham wrote: > I really don't think hardcore fans are the main market, for the obvious > reasons: (a) they've already got all the material, and (b) there's not > that many of them anyway. I don't think *hardcore* fans are the main market either. I think *fans* are. Maybe I'm just out of touch. Perhaps there is actually a huge market lurking out there for impulse buyers who'll snarf up product by someone they only vaguely remember, or who have never heard of. Perhaps we are all sheep, and if Sony command us "thou shalt buy BOC" we defer to their superior judgement and robotically rifle our wallets for the requisite cash... Cheers, Paul. obListening: Inner City Unit, "In the Mood (Nude)", _Maximum Effect_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Sep 28 16:08:30 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:08:30 -0500 Subject: Porcupine Tree on US CDs Message-ID: With recent plugs for Porcupine Tree's "The Sky Moves Sideways", I thought I would mention that the US domestic release of this one is just now showing up in the channels. I picked up the "Stars Die" CD-single at Best Buy this weekend; they also had the domestic "Sky..". Both at VERY reasonable prices. Those americanos that haven't checked this out yet, DO IT! Price is no longer an issue. :-) Still no sign of any earlier P.Tree releases becoming domesticated. There is also still a rumor of "Voyage 34" 1 & 2 being released in some form on CD in USA, but no sign of that either. NOTE: The import "Sky.." and "Moonloop" differ slightly from the US "Sky.." and "Stars Die". The US versions have some truncated songs, as well as a new tune. "Stars Die" is the same as "Moonloop", except it also has this new tune (title escapes me). The optimum combination is the UK "Sky.." with the US "Stars Die". Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Sep 28 16:25:27 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:25:27 -0500 Subject: HW WestWind live tape (info?) Message-ID: ---------------------------- Forwarded with Changes --------------------------- From: HARRIS.BOCL at Harris Date: 8/7/95 5:22PM To: CJOHNSON at HPSC *To: HARRIS.BOCL at Harris Subject: HW WestWind live tape (info?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- REPOSTING: I never got a response...HELP! I have acquired a C60 Hawkwind tape that is labeled "WestWind". I am unclear on exactly WHAT this tape consists of, or what it's origin might be. Relevent info: This tape has 30 min. (truncated at end of side 1) of live HW from around the 1990-91 US Tour period (??). Side 2 begins with an interview with Dave/Harvey/Alan/Richard by some American DJ, which lasts for approx. 15 min. There is some filler (?) on the end of the tape from M.Moorcock's "Brothel in Rosenstrasse". I thought I saw something about WestWind associated with the Kadu Flyer a few years back. Was this some kind of HW fan club (sic) release of some kind? I also suspect that the original tape was longer than the approx. 45 min that I have - confirmation? If anybody has any info on what this beast is, I would greatly appreciate it. Captain Cloud cjohnson at harris.com From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Sep 28 15:33:10 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:33:10 -0400 Subject: HW Live Chronicles Video CD & BOC Workshop Box Set In-Reply-To: <306A2EE5@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A wrote: > I'm really envious of the UK people with their access to shows and releases > that aren't easily gotten in the States. The latest video CD release of the > Live Chronicles show really breaks it for me. This is my favorite album (in > my bio, AB) and to have it in sight and sound with new music is something > I'd really appreciate. While I applaud the new independent house's efforts > in breaking new ground, they leave a large market untapped. Not only do I > live in another country, but I haven't gotten a video CD because the > universal format is not fixed yet (nor has the price found a true level). I > don't want to buy another Betamax. I hope a VHS version with wider > distribution comes out sometime. The need is there, whether or not it > will be filled legitimately is the next question. As I understand from the press release, this "video" is basically an ISO MPEG data stream (can't remember if it is level 1 or 2). So, in theory, if you have a computer with a quick enough CD-ROM drive (e.g. quad speed), a quick enough processor (e.g. PowerPC, Alpha, Pentium), a quick enough video card (e.g. PCI-based), and some MPEG viewing software (e.g. the registered version of VMPEG 1.7), then you should be able to view this movie on any computer system. (As I understand it, MPEG includes sync information, but this isn't as vital to image display as is the case with analogue formats; achievable frame rate is dependent upon available hardware, not the video data. That's an oversimplification, but it's largely true.) So things might not be as grim as they sound. Cheers, Paul. obSootyAndSweepOnAcid: The Bevis Frond, "Once More", _Inner Marshland_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Sep 28 15:38:22 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:38:22 -0400 Subject: Helpful Hint No.29 Message-ID: >Chris, having to wade through 3765 (!) e-mails >Chris Oh, so you went away for a whole week :-) M From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Sep 28 16:38:24 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:38:24 EST Subject: Sky Cries Mary (was Re[2]: My expectations will melt) Message-ID: >Paul. >obCD: Sky Cries Mary, _This Timeless Turning_ Anybody care to review the new Sky Cries Mary? I saw "This Timeless Turning" in the local store, but I was already buying more than my limit -- had to pass. Please compare it to "Return to the Inner Experience", the only other release I am familiar with. Captain Cloud From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Sep 28 18:11:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:11:00 PDT Subject: Mail Bounce Adrian Message-ID: >No offense intended. >A(Maxine!)B No Problem Maxine. Just wanted to spare you the punishment I usually receive on this service. A(Buck Dharma)B From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Sep 28 21:48:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:48:00 BST-1 Subject: My expectations will melt, and then my wallet... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Paul says: > Maybe I'm just out of touch. Perhaps there is actually a huge > market lurking out there for impulse buyers who'll snarf up product by > someone they only vaguely remember, or who have never heard of. There definitely is a huge, and very affluent, market of middle class thirty-or-forty-somethings who, when they were young, used to buy BOC LPs. Doesn't take a large percentage takeup to make _WotT_ a very profitable exercise indeed. And if they tout it as "the definitive article", "all the BOC you'll ever need", and give it some advertising support, then it stands a chance of coming to the attention of that market in a way that just keeping the old back catalogue on the shelves never will. I think they're looking to exploit the same syndrome that, in an extreme form, makes middle-aged city professionals suddenly buy Harleys. The old fans, who've *remained* fans, by and large won't be interested, and the kids sure won't. Cynical, _moi_? (Don't look at me, I drive a VW! :) - Andy From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Sep 28 17:47:39 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:47:39 -0400 Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: In a message dated 95-09-27 18:04:04 EDT, you write: >On 27 Sep 95, John A Swartz wrote: > >> >...no tracks from Imaginos of course... >> >> This isn't obvious to me. Did the band have a certain say in what >> went into this record? I figured that even so Sony would want to >> represent this album, which as far as I know they've got the right >> to publish songs from it. It strikes me as strange that they >> wouldn't, unless there is a legal reason for doing so. > >What's the status of the lawsuit Albert filed over Imaginos? > >Not knowing all the ins and outs of the suit, I suppose it's possible >that the legal status of the Imaginos tracks could be somewhat >unclear. a good point that John Swartz made about how the booklet praises Imaginos, but there are no tracks from Imaginos on the album...I assumed that the tracks from Imaginos weren't included because of the bs that went on to release the record...nonetheless, as was previously noted, Imaginos IS a BOC album, was released under the name BOC, and some tracks should've been included... but, as Eric Bloom said, "if ya wanna hear Imaginos, go to a Brain Surgeons gig"... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Sep 28 17:47:52 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:47:52 -0400 Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: In a message dated 95-09-28 00:22:46 EDT, you write: >AB: Providing T&M is something on the drawing board with Sony, perhaps we >are looking at a companion set that will provide BOC as completely as >possible. We know the band has some songs that haven't been recorded yet. > Five or six of these in the set would make T&M a much better buy than WOTT. > Is any one aware of the suggested retail price? Picked up mine from Best >Buy for $17.99. What kind of prices are people seeing out there? > > I paid $21.99 for Scopes... I would imagine that a "complete" box set would contain about 6 CDs... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Sep 28 17:47:57 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:47:57 -0400 Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: In a message dated 95-09-28 08:16:52 EDT, John Swartz writes: > they >hinted at doing more stuff later, including some live material and the >SFG stuff -- and they are working with the band on this. Again, I think >that alot of that will hinge on the commercial success of WOTT. Which >means, the only way that we might see that follow-up happen is we all >go buy a copy, and maybe a few for our friends a relatives (Christmas >will be here before you know it). I agree that Scopes will be a "test" to see if a boxset is worth the effort...however, a limited edition boxset would be worth it...expect to fork out some dough, though... ROBO From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Sep 28 18:07:58 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 23:07:58 +0100 Subject: HW Discography Update; section 1 Message-ID: [most of the track's deleted] hawkjoes comments is marked with '***' >1. Albums by Hawkwind (& Hawklords) >----------------------------------- >1970 Hawkwind (Liberty/UA) (re-released as ltd. edn. pic disk 1980) ***the pic disc was 1984, ***(do you remember the great 'get smart' ads?) >1973 BBC Transcription Disc LP live >1991 Hawkwind: Space Rock from London [remix of BBC Transcription disc] > [Live BBC Session 14/10/72 - very good quality] >1991 The BBC Radio Disc CD (Windsong) > [BBC Recording from 1972, broadcast 1973] >1973 Space Ritual Alive (Liberty/UA) (Live double album. Contained open-out sleeve) >1974 Hall Of The Mountain Grill (UA) >1975 Warrior On The Edge Of Time (UA/Liberty) (original with 'shield' sleeve) >1976 Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music (Charisma) >1976 Roadhawks (UA) (studio material w/remixes by Brock) *** this is a compilation for me, although it's probably the best compilation ever... >1977 Quark Strangeness And Charm (Charisma) (With sleeve insert. German > version comes with colour negatives of Hawkwind in concert.) *** I've a vague memory from when I was young that the pictures in these color *** negatives was in a 8pg booklet in the first QS&C I saw. Please correct me, *** someone... :^) >1978 PXR5 (Charisma) [original with wrongly-wired plug on cover] *** ...and the Pete Frame Family Tree Poster... >1978 Hawklords - (Charisma) (Released under Hawklords name >1979 Hawkwind Live (Bronze) (British release as Live '79) >1980 Levitation (Bronze) (original release was on blue vinyl) *** I don't understand the following Church of Hawkwind order. *** Is it a duplication error, or is it me who doesen't get something obvious? >1982 Church of Hawkwind (RCA) (originally with booklet) >1994 Church of Hawkwind (Griffin) CD >1981 Hawkwind Live at the Bottom Line (New York 1978) (Festival) >1981 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 > * Cassette Release by CND >1981 Sonic Attack (RCA) >1982 Church of Hawkwind (RCA) [originally with booklet] *** (it's this one...) >1982 Choose Your Masques (RCA) >1982 Hawkwind Live at Stonehenge and Watchfield (Festival Records) > * Later re-released as "Hawkwind: Alive and Kicking" > [This pressing is a bootleg of the Weird 103 tape] >1982 Friends And Relations - Hawkwind (Flicknife) >1983 Friends And Relations II (Flicknife) (Twice Upon A Time) >1985 Friends And Relations III >1988 Best of Hawkwind Friends & Relations CD [Flicknife] > [compilation from all 3 Friends & Relations LP's] *** these two in the compilation area? >1993 The Best of Hawkwind Friends and Relations CD [Anagram] > [different compilation from Flicknife] >1995 Hawkwind Friends and Relations - The Rarities CD [Anagram] >1983 Zones (Flicknife) [also released as pic disk] >1983 The Text Of Festival: Live 1970-2 (Illuminated/DemiMonde) >1984 Stonehenge (This Is Hawkwind/Do Not Panic) (Flicknife) (live) [LP & EP] >1985 In The Beginning (Live "Top Gear" BBC Session 1970) (Demi-Monde) >1985 Bring Me The Head Of Yuri Garagin (Demi Monde)(live) >1985 Space Ritual II (American Phonograph) live Space Ritual from different > Space venues *** isn't this the extended version of the second lp of _Space Ritual_, *** the Brixton Sundown gig, 30th Dec '72? >1985 Ridicule (Obsession) (also Live 1973) *** Two different covers. What does "also Live 1973" mean? >1985 Live '70/'73 (Castle Dojo) [live early tracks] >1985 Welcome To The Future (Mausoleum Records) >1985 The Chronicle Of The Black Sword (Flicknife) >1986 Live Chronicles (GWR) (live) >1994 Live Chronicles (Griffin) 2CD >1986 Hawkfan 12" (Hawkfan) > Countdown > Ejection > The Human Race (Dark Empire) > Synprovisation (Syndrome) > Ghost Dance > Tale of the Entropy Tango (Deep Fix and Brian Tawn) > The Competition (Hawkwind and Brian Tawn) > Aimless Flight (Underground Zero) > * Produced by Brian Tawn of "Hawkfan" *** also on cassette, but with track "Hawkfan 12" as opening track instead of "Countdown" *** Tawn says: "Hawkfan 12, the track which forms the introduction to the cassette, *** replaces the LP track, Countdown, because my contract with the BBc is only for the *** number of LP pressings and I do not wish to break the contract." *** Hawkfan 12 is just (another) one minute concert introduction, a little bit less inspired *** than "Countdown" ;^) >1986 Independent Days, Vol. I 10" (Flicknife) >1986 Independent Days, Vol. II (Flicknife) >1987 Out And Intake (Flicknife) (Picture inner sleeve) >1987 Hawkwind Box Set - The Official Picture Log Book (Flicknife) >1987 Early Daze (Thunderbolt) (Early live tracks all previously reissued) >1988 The Xenon Codex (GWR) (orig with stencil-cut foldout cover) >1988 Zones/Stonehenge CD (Flicknife) >1988 Hawkwind Live (German CD: Imtrat) (Same as Space Ritual II) >1990 Space Bandits (GWR) >1991 Palace Springs (GWR) (live) >1991 The Golden Void (Live at Glasgow Apollo 19/10/82. >1991 The Never Ending Story of The Psychedelic Warlords (CD with book) *** isn't this a book with cd? ;^) >1992 Live At Reading '86 CD (Raw Fruit) >1992 Electric Tepee [Double] (GWR) >1992 The Hawklords Live CD pic disc (Griffin) >1992 California Brainstorm CD >1992 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 (Jugoslavia. Live bootleg) *** my copy is entitled "Live at Stonehenge Free Festival" >1992 Orgasmatron CD (Cargo) live >1993 Live - St.Albans 1979 CD (UK winter tour 1979. Bootleg) >1993 Lord of Light CD *** this is a compilation to me, the Nik Turner extra doesen't make me change my mind >1993 Undisclosed Files (live 1984 and 1989) > Orgone Accumulator > Sonic Attack > Watching The Grass Grow > Damned By The Curse of Man > Master of the Universe [LP only] > Ghost Dance [CD only] > Coded Languages [Different versions on LP and CD] > Ejection > Motorway City > Dragons and Fables > Heads > Angels of Death *** Why is the white LP a bootleg, but the black CD is an Official? Someone..? >1993 It Is The business of the Future to be Dangerous >1993 Lords of Light, Kings of Speed CD bootleg (sleeve notes: Recorded 18/5/92, Latin > Quarter, Detroit but probably recorded at Bochum, Germany) *** My copy is entitled "Kings of Speed, Lords of Light" >1994 Assassins of Allah LP bootleg >1994 Dawn of Hawkwind CD bootleg >1994 Rock City bootleg CD >1994 The Cyberspace Conspiracy (LP bootleg of Live Legends Video) >1994 The Business Trip 2LP & CD (The Emergency Broadcast System) >1995 White Zone (By The Psychedelic Warriors) *** why not putting those two into the single section? >1993 Decide Your Future EP >1994 Quark Strangeness and Charm CD single & 12" EP ***why not put these in a various artist section? ***I know I'm a little bit unorthodox here, but the name of this section is: >1. Albums by Hawkwind (& Hawklords) >1972 Glastonbury Fayre (with various artists) (Revelation) >1972 Greasy Trucker's Party (UA) >1972 BBC Transcription Disc - Brian Matthews Show live >1986 Bristol Custom Bike Show (GWR) >1988 Traveller's Aid Trust (with various artists) (Flicknife) >1993 Gimme Shelter [Rock CD 4 -track Charity compilation] From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Sep 28 18:08:03 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 23:08:03 +0100 Subject: HW Discography Update; section 3 Message-ID: [most of the track's deleted] hawkjoes comments is marked with '***' >3. Solo projects & associated bands >----------------------------------- >I. Dave Brock >1969? The Buskers (EMI) *** yes it's '69. no further comments on Brock. >II. Robert Calvert >1973 Ejection/Catch a Falling Starfighter 7" (UA) >1974 Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters [LP, CD] (UA) >1975 Lucky Leif and the Longships (UA) *** LP & CD >1979 Cricket Star (floppy single) (Wake Up Records) >1980 Lord of the Hornets/ Greenfly and the Rose 1980 7" (Flicknife)=20 >1981 Hype LP (A Side/See For Miles) 2 different sleeves *** LP & CD >1985 Freq [LP] (Flicknife) >1986 Test Tube Conceived [LP, CD] >1987 The Cellar Tapes 1 [cassette only] >1987 The Cellar Tapes 2 [cassette only] >1989 Robert Calvert at the Queen Elizabeth Hall (Live 1980) *** LP & CD. LP package contains poster, button & t-shirt in a too small= size >1992 Revenge [cassette] *** on "Cyborg Records and Tapes Inc." also featuring P Pavli/S House/A= Shaw. >1992 Freq Revisited CD (Flicknife) >1992 Blueprints From The Cellar CD (BGO) (The Cellar Tapes I & II) >III. The Huw Lloyd-Langton Group >1977 Widowmaker - Too Late to Cry [UA/Jet] >1978 Widowmaker [JET LP15] >1983 Wind of Change/ Outside the Law 7" (Flicknife) >1983 Outside The Law [LP (Actually HLL solo album: Flicknife. >1984 Working Time/I See You 7" [free with Outside the Law LP] >???? [Widowmaker] Pin A Rose On Me/On the Road 7" (Jet) *** this should be 1978, but I'm only 98% sure >1984 Dreams that Fade Away/ It's On Me (12 inch only, Ultra Noise 1984) >1985 Night Air (Flicknife) *** Don't understand this triplication: >1986 Like An Arrow (Straight Through The Heart) LP (Gas) > (Two different sleeves) > Strange Times > I Could Cry (All tracks credited to > Like An Arrow H. Lloyd-Langton and > So Long Waiting M. Lloyd-Langton) > On The Move > No Mans Land > Voices That Fade > Wars Are The Hobby There > Take A Back Step > In Their Eyes > Can You Feel >1986 Like An Arrow [LP] (Gas) > Strange Times > I Could Cry > Like An Arrow > So Long Waiting > On The Move > No Mans Land > Voices That Fade > Wars Are The Hobby There > Take A Back Step > In Their Eyes > Can You Feel >1986 Like An Arrow (Straight Through The Heart) LP (Gas) > (Two different sleeves) > Strange Times > I Could Cry (All tracks credited to > Like An Arrow H. Lloyd-Langton and > So Long Waiting M. Lloyd-Langton) > On The Move > No Mans Land > Voices That Fade > Wars Are The Hobby There > Take A Back Step > In Their Eyes > Can You Feel >1988 Space, Time and L.L.G. (GWR) >1991 Elegy CD (Allegro) >1994 River Run *** label is "All=E9gro", and track list is: Dancing in the Rain / All Jigged Up / Suffer in Silence / The Wall Came Tumbling Down / Louise / River Run / Waiting / For Whom the Bell Tolls (All tracks by Huw & Marion) >IV. Nick Turner's Inner City Unit *** no ICU comments to add... >Nik Turner's Sphynx: > >1978 Unreleased Studio Material, November 1978 [Cassette release] >1986 Xitintoday *** my original Xitintoday is from 1978 on the famous Charisma label, incl booklet >1993 Prophets of Time [Also features Simon House] >1993 Sphynx CD (Cleopatra) (re-recorded version of Xitintoday) > >Nik Turner also plays on: > Terminal Velocity LP [Big Amongst Sheep] *** 1982 - Rock Solid label > Astroprop EP [Big Amongst Sheep] > The Game [Sham 69] > Tell the Children/Jack 7" [Sham 69] > Fairy Tales [Mother Gong 1979] > Nuclear Waste/Digital Love 7" [Radio Actors 1979] > Nuke/Nuclear Waste [Fast Breeder and The Radio Actors] > 39 Converts [The New Blood Transmission, 1988] >V. Michael Moorcock's Deep Fix > >1975 The New World's Fair (UA) >1980 Dodgem Dude/ Starcruiser 7" (Flicknife) >1982 The Brothel In Rosenstrasse/ Time Centre 7" (Flicknife) only 500= made >1992 The Brothel in Rosenstrasse [cassette] *** on "Cyborg Records and Tapes Inc." also featuring P Pavli/A Shaw. >VI. Tim Blake *** no Blake comments to add... >VII. Steve Swindells (ex keysman) > >1974 Energy Crisis/Shake Up Your Soul 7" *** this is on the RCA label >1980 Fresh Blood (Atco-Warner Bros) *** [with Simon King and Huw LLoyd Langton] >VIII. Del Dettmar *** no Dettmar comments to add... >IX. Alan Davey *** no Davey comments to add... >X. Harvey Bainbridge *** no Bainbridge comments to add... >XI. Adrian Shaw > >1972 Laughs & Thrills [Magic Muscle] cassette album only >19?? Gulp (Magic Muscle, also with Simon House. *** 1991, on the Woronzow label >1987 Two True Believers [Jellymasters, with Simon House] >1988 The Pipe, The Roar, The Grid [Magic Muscle Band] >1989 One Hundred Miles Below [Magic Muscle, also with Simon House] >1991 Aerial Dance [Adrian Shaw] >XII. Dave Anderson *** no Anderson comments to add... >XIII. Keith Hale > >1974 To Keep From Crying [Comus] >???? Blood Donor [Blood Donor] >???? Rubber Revolution/Chemical babies 7" [Blood Donor] *** 1989 The Space Cadets (LP) - Label: SpaCad >XIV. Simon House > >1970 Precious Cargo Live Jam [High Tide] *** Reissue 1989 on Cobra Records >19?? Gulp (Magic Muscle, also with Adrian Shaw.=20 *** 1991, on the Woronzow label >???? Interesting Times [High Tide] *** original (?) 1987 on Cobra Records >???? High Tide 3 [High Tide] cassette only >1980 Sinister Morning [Denny Gerrard] *** original 1970 on Decca/Nova >1984 Sea Shanties [High Tide] *** original 1969 on Liberty >1984 High Tide [High Tide] *** original 1970 on Liberty, reissue 1984 on Psycho >1986 Interesting Times [High Tide] >1987 Two True Believers [Jellymasters, with Adrian Shaw] >1989 One Hundred Miles Below [Magic Muscle, also with Adrian Shaw] >???? Lodger [David Bowie] >???? Boys Keep Swinging 7" [David Bowie] >???? Music From MacBeth [Third Ear Band] *** original 1972 on Harvest >???? Experiences [Third Ear Band compilation] >???? Stage [David Bowie] >???? Tin Drum [Japan] *** also 1988 The Pipe, the Roar & the Grid [Magic Muscle] (LP) label: 5 Hours Back *** also 1986 My Brain's Collapsed [the Tryp] (cassette) label: Acid Tapes >XV. Simon King > >???? Groupie Girl/Gigging Song 7" [Opal Butterfly] (Polydor) *** 1970 >???? Mary Anne With the Shaky Hand/My Gration Or? 7" [Opal Butterfly] >19?? Shot Down in the Night/It's only one Night of Your Life 7" > [with Steve Swindells and Huw LLoyd Langton] >1980 Turn it On, Turn it Off/Low Life Joe 7" > [with Steve Swindells and Huw LLoyd Langton] *** ...and the Swindells album "Fresh Blood"... *** also 1973 Here Comes the Warm Jets [Brian Eno] LP - label: Island (+Paul Rudolph) >XVI. Alan Powell *** no Powell comments to add... >XVII. Crum *** no Crum comments to add... must be mentioned: According to the Bible "This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic" chapter 7, quote: "[...] Because of Gingers departure, the Italian tour was cancelled. But apparently, Ginger was quick to capitalise, for he gathered together several of his cronies, formed a band and flew across to Italy where he was reported to have played the [cancelled] gigs under the name of Hawkwind! [...]" unquote This was 1981. 1982, in Italy and Milan, there was an album published, entitled Bakerandband / From Humble Oranges. Musicians: Ginger Baker / Doug Brockie / Karl Hill. Label CGD ^^^^^^^^^ (D. Brock soundalike, full name on inner sleeve: Douglas Murray Brockie) Has this band toured in Italy under the name of Hawkwind???????? (This question has haunted me ever since I bought the K.Tait book in 1984) also to be mentioned: the beginning to a Lemmy section: 1969 Escalator [Sam Gopal] label: Stable.=20 Lemmy (named: Ian 'Lemmy' Willis - no doubt this is our Lemmy) does most of the songwriting and lyrics, plays lead & rythm guitar + vocals.= Unbelievable... 199? Psychedelic Salvage Co Vol 1 (LP - blank label) Sam Gopal acetate 199? Psychedelic Salvage Co Vol 2 (LP - blank label) Sam Gopal (other side) acetate time to go to bed - \\joe From bfreitas at WEBB.PVT.K12.CA.US Thu Sep 28 18:17:22 1995 From: bfreitas at WEBB.PVT.K12.CA.US (Bill Freitas @ The Webb Schools) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:17:22 -0700 Subject: My expectations will melt, and then my wallet... Message-ID: >There definitely is a huge, and very affluent, market of middle class >thirty-or-forty-somethings who, when they were young, used to buy BOC >LPs. That's why BOC were choosen for that recent Mercedes (or was it BMW) commercial ("advert" for all those Brits on the list) that said "You were going to learn power chords and jam with Blue Oyster Cult." Bill F. bfreitas at webb.pvt.k12.ca.us (Actually I think the ad said "jam with *the* Blue Oyster Cult". A "the" always seems out of place there...) From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Sep 28 18:55:07 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:55:07 -0600 Subject: BOC: workshop In-Reply-To: <950928174755_31836058@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Robo, How are you? This is kind of off topic, but I heard recently that there will be a BOC Live BBC Radio One CD in '96. Once again, nothing really new here, but I am sure that there will be many pros and cons regarding the release of this disc. What do you know about this, or does anybody have info on it? Thank you......Manuel Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Sep 28 19:47:44 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:47:44 -0400 Subject: Sky Cries Mary (was Re[2]: My expectations will melt) In-Reply-To: <9509281538.A10989@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Sep 28, 95 03:38:24 pm Message-ID: Captain Cloud asks: > >obCD: Sky Cries Mary, _This Timeless Turning_ > > Anybody care to review the new Sky Cries Mary? I saw "This > Timeless Turning" in the local store, but I was already buying more > than my limit -- had to pass. Please compare it to "Return to > the Inner Experience", the only other release I am familiar with. Do you mean _This Timeless Turning_ when you say "new" Sky Cries Mary? I bought mine about a year ago, I recall. Or do SCM have a recent release? I'm afraid I can't compare it to _Return to the Inner Experience_ because I don't have that one (yet:). However, I really like _This Timeless Turning_. The ~15 minute dreamy, spacey "4:00 a.m." is worth the price of admission alone, IMHO!!! (The title is really apt!) There's plenty of spacey, psychedelic stuff to get yer teeth into on the CD. I particularly like the use of vocals. Reminds me of Gilli Smyth, sometimes. However, a friend, upon hearing the CD but not knowing who it was exclaimed, "I've not heard It's A Beautiful Day in a looong time" thinking it was them. Which brings me to a plea: anyone know the catalogue number/label of the *remastered* reissue of _It's A Beautiful Day_? I've been meaning to acquire that for some time... Cheers, Paul. obListening: Sky Cries Mary, "4:00 a.m.", _This Timeless Turning_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. "Every iceberg is afire..." From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Thu Sep 28 20:07:54 1995 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:07:54 -0700 Subject: Sky Cries Mary (was Re[2]: My expectations will melt) In-Reply-To: <9509281538.A10989@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Sep 28, 95 03:38:24 pm Message-ID: > >obCD: Sky Cries Mary, _This Timeless Turning_ > Anybody care to review the new Sky Cries Mary? I saw "This > Timeless Turning" in the local store, but I was already buying more > than my limit -- had to pass. Please compare it to "Return to > the Inner Experience", the only other release I am familiar with. Just who are Sky Cries Mary? I was at the Microsft Launch '95 last month, and there was only one person I saw who was scruffier looking than me (but far less nerdy) and his name badge said Sky Cries Mary on it in the Company field. I don't remember what his name was on it. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu Sep 28 20:50:09 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:50:09 -0400 Subject: Sky Cries Mary (was Re[2]: My expectations will melt) Message-ID: > > >Paul. > > >obCD: Sky Cries Mary, _This Timeless Turning_ > > Anybody care to review the new Sky Cries Mary? I saw "This > Timeless Turning" in the local store, but I was already buying more > than my limit -- had to pass. Please compare it to "Return to > the Inner Experience", the only other release I am familiar with. > > Captain Cloud > > Yes, please review this one. I am curious to hear what it is like, as I like song they do on A Saucerful of Pink, but I don't know if this is indicative of there ususal style. Duane -- " You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." Bob Dylan From lansford at VNET.NET Thu Sep 28 17:19:18 1995 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Oyster Girl) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:19:18 +0000 Subject: My expectations will melt, and then my wallet... Message-ID: On 28 Sep 95, Andrew Gilham wrote: > I think they're looking to exploit the same syndrome that, in an > extreme form, makes middle-aged city professionals suddenly buy > Harleys. That's not a syndrome, sugah; it takes that long to be able to =afford= one nowadays. You wanna see a grown man cry, be there when he has to admit that he can't afford to keep replacing the parts those Harley vibes shake off the older models. > form, makes middle-aged city professionals suddenly buy Harleys. > The old fans, who've *remained* fans, by and large won't be > interested, and the kids sure won't. Well, I don't regret buying it. It was worth it for the look on John's face when BTBW started up. Plus, I got to hear the gong again! -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- It's part of the mentality of society to always concentrate on things that are negative. - Earnest Byner -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net From lansford at VNET.NET Thu Sep 28 17:19:17 1995 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Oyster Girl) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:19:17 +0000 Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: On 28 Sep 95, Rob Maerz wrote: > >Not knowing all the ins and outs of the suit, I suppose it's > >possible that the legal status of the Imaginos tracks could be > >somewhat unclear. > > a good point that John Swartz made about how the booklet praises > Imaginos, but there are no tracks from Imaginos on the album... > I assumed that the tracks from Imaginos weren't included because > of the bs that went on to release the record...nonetheless, as was > previously noted, Imaginos IS a BOC album, was released under the > name BOC, and some tracks should've been included... > > but, as Eric Bloom said, "if ya wanna hear Imaginos, go to a Brain > Surgeons gig"... Not that I've noticed any Imaginos tracks on a TBS set list.... There are some songs that we'll never hear the boys do again; Bolle has commented that Baby Ice Dog is among them. I've wondered if the terms of the settlement somehow affected the ownership of the songs themselves, if perhaps 3OC doesn't have a clear right to the entire BOC catalogue. Copyright in the music business can be very muddy, and Sony may not have wanted to invest the time to figure things out. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- It's part of the mentality of society to always concentrate on things that are negative. - Earnest Byner -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford lansford at vnet.net From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Sep 29 01:46:12 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 06:46:12 +0100 Subject: HW Discography Update; section 4 Message-ID: first a "Section 3 addendum" >XI. Adrian Shaw > >1972 Laughs & Thrills [Magic Muscle] cassette album only *** isn't this item released 1987, and is entitled "Laughs & Thrills Live 1972"? Label: Acid Tapes >19?? Gulp (Magic Muscle, also with Simon House. >1987 Two True Believers [Jellymasters, with Simon House] >1988 The Pipe, The Roar, The Grid [Magic Muscle Band] *** also Simon House. Label: 5 Hours Back >1989 One Hundred Miles Below [Magic Muscle, also with Simon House] >1991 Aerial Dance [Adrian Shaw] *** 1990 Ear Song (Bevis Frond - 12") label: Reckless *** 1991 New River Head (Bevis Frond - 2LP) label:Woronzow *** also on the both "Cyborg" cassettes Calvert/Revenge and Moorcock/Brothel in Rosenstrasse >4. Compilation & miscellaneous albums >------------------------------------- >1977 Masters of the Universe (Compilation) (UA) >1979 Repeat Performance (Compilation) >1983 Hawkwind - Victoria double album >1985 Utopia 1984 Material from ERP, Stonehenge, and Zones (Mausoleum) >1985 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I LP (Samurai) reisued as Acid Daze 1 >1986 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II LP (Samurai) reissued as Acid Daze 2 >1986 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. III LP (Samurai) reissued as Acid Daze 3 >1986 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. I CD (Samurai) >1986 The Hawkwind Anthology Vol. II CD (Samurai) >1986 The Approved History of Hawkwind (Samurai Records) >1986 Angels of Death (compilation) [all tracks previously released] (RCA) >1986 The Hawkwind Collection (Castle) dbl LP >1987 British Tribal Music (Start) (live, compilation) [Good sound quality. >1988 Spirit of the Age CD (Virgin) [the Charisma years] >1989 Night of the Hawk (Powerhouse Compilation) >1989 Ironstrike CD [Avanti Records ISTCD 004] >1989 Levitation/ Live 79 CD (Japanese issue) >1990? Levitation/ Live 79 LPs issued together as a double set *** my 'That's Original' is from 1988 >199? Levitation/ Live 79/ Space Bandits issued together as a triple CD set >1990 Acid Daze Vol I (Receiver) - reissue of Anthology 1 >1990 Acid Daze Vol II (Receiver) - reissue of Anthology 2 >1990 Acid Daze Vol III (Receiver) - reissue of Anthology 3 >1993 Acid Daze III CD >1990 Acid Daze 3LP box set with booklet >1990 Acid Daze 3LP set on 2CD >1990 Stasis - The U.A. Years 1971-1975 LP (EMI) >1990 Night Riding CD (Knight) >1990 The Best and the Rest of Hawkwind CD >1990 The Best of Hawkwind (volume #2 of Metal Classic series by EMI) >1991 Masters of The Universe (Marble Arch Rock CMA CD 129) >1991 Spirit of The Age CD [on "Elite". Different from 1988 Charisma compilation] >1991 Castle Masters Collection >1991 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD set [Castle Communications] >1992 Mighty Hawkwind Classics 1980-1985 CD (Anagram) >1992 (The Best of) Psychedelic Warlords CD (Cleopatra) [ltd ed. with bag] >1992 Tales From Atom Henge CD (Virgin) >1994 The Best of Hawkwind >1994 25 Years On 4CD Set *** ... and in the year of 1995 we saw a compilation with the amazing name "Silver Machine"... *** why not putting this in the 'singles' section? >1991 The Early Years Live EP *** why not putting these in a 'various artists' section? >1974 US Forces Radio album featuring Hawkwind & Jefferson Starship >1977 Rock On >199? Frenchy Scissorhands (Cherry Red/Anagram)> > > > > >5. The 8 Weird Tapes >-------------------- *** as i just have bought these FANTASTIC tapes and heard them for the first times, and realised their potential strength, why not give them full status as Hawkwind Albums in section 1? I've always been a bit sceptical to the Weird tapes - the weird name + the fact it's always separated from the other entries in various discograpies. My scepticism was wrong... >6. Hawkvideo >------------ *** got nothing to add in this section... \\joe - that's all From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Sep 29 02:08:09 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 02:08:09 -0400 Subject: see ya soon (was Re: Man, LOOP and Box Sets) Message-ID: I bought my first Man album a couple weeks ago ("Be Good To Yourself At Least Once A Day", I really dig it) and in the liner notes they thank "Hawkwind for achieving the impossible". Anyone know what they're talking about? Space Ritual maybe? :) Chuck From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Sep 29 02:44:23 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 02:44:23 -0400 Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: In a message dated 95-09-28 18:59:00 EDT, you write: >This is kind of off topic, but I heard recently that >there will be a BOC Live BBC Radio One CD in '96. how is BOC Live BBC CD off-topic? anywho, I have not heard anything beyond the rumor of the Tyranny & Mutation CD set, which Bolle said he would look into...where did you hear about this CD? ROBO From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Thu Sep 28 23:57:06 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:57:06 -0500 Subject: [HW] Brock's Strange Trips In-Reply-To: <9509281444.AA23179@pharlap.ci.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Sep 1995, David B. Kuznick wrote: > I basically had stopped reading my BOC-L mail for a few months when > the s/n ratio went down the toilet, so I missed the discussions about > Brock's newest. Am I the only one that thinks this is a fabulous > album? Has anyone seen this domestically in the US yet? Any copies at Best Buy, or other semi-reliable importers? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Fri Sep 29 04:13:13 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:13:13 +0100 Subject: Strange Trips In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mike Wright, I have lost your new Reading address and I am travelling down tonight with Gerda (who you met at the Lloyd Langton Gig) to stay in Earley. If you're about please e-mail me. Maxine mxw at dmu.ac.uk From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Sep 29 04:20:20 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:20:20 +0100 Subject: Sky Cries Mary (was Re[2]: My expectations will melt) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:38:24 EST." <9509281538.A10989@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: > >Paul. > > >obCD: Sky Cries Mary, _This Timeless Turning_ > > Anybody care to review the new Sky Cries Mary? I saw "This > Timeless Turning" in the local store, but I was already buying more > than my limit -- had to pass. Please compare it to "Return to > the Inner Experience", the only other release I am familiar with. Well I haven't seen anything newer than This Timeless Turning around, but that came out in 94 ish, so its hardly new. If I had to choose between TTT & RttIE, I'd have to plum for the former. I reckon the songs a just a little bit stronger, while it seems they were finding their feet on Return... The lengthy '4.00am' I find tends to drag a bit, but the tracks in the middle - 'These Old Bones' segued with 'Stretched' and 'Scapegoat', 'Sister Ship 23' moving into 'Deep Sunless Sea' are *excellent*. You may want to pick up the 'Every Iceberg is Afire' EP as a taster if you're not sure. Tim From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Sep 29 14:34:23 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 18:34:23 +0000 Subject: I'm back ..... Message-ID: *AND* only 600k of mail to wade thru ;^) Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET Fri Sep 29 08:56:41 1995 From: SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET (Sebastian Welton) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 08:56:41 EWT Subject: Regarding: Hawkwind Discography Update Message-ID: >1976 Roadhawks (UA) (studio material w/remixes by Brock) > (Originally gatefold with poster. German re-release as part of > Masterpiece series with different sleeve. UK re-release as part of > Nice Price series.) For the German releases there are two different sleeves. >2. Singles (all) >---------------- 7" Picture Disc - Amnesty Single. (No music, just interviews. Picture on one side is Harvey Bainbridge. I believe there's only one copy.) >Lord of Light (edited)/ Born to Go (edited Greasy Truckers version) > - [German release] 1973 Light spelt as Lihgt. There are quite a few German variations of Silver Machine too, including some special jukebox versions. >3. Solo projects & associated bands >----------------------------------- >I. Dave Brock >Dave Brock also appeared on: Two tracks from the Dharma Blues Band also appear on British Blues, a double cassette release. >IV. Nick Turner's Inner City Unit Judgement And Thunder. Cassette only release with Trevor Thoms playing H/W, ICU, Atomgods, Imperial Pompadour and other stuff. I think that there's also another cassette release similiar to this. Cheers Seb From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Sep 29 07:29:34 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 07:29:34 -0400 Subject: Sky Cries Mary In-Reply-To: <199509290007.RAA14879@desiree.teleport.com> from "Kevin Haskel Rubin" at Sep 28, 95 05:07:54 pm Message-ID: Kevin Haskel Rubin writes: > Just who are Sky Cries Mary? I was at the Microsft Launch '95 last month, > and there was only one person I saw who was scruffier looking than me (but > far less nerdy) and his name badge said Sky Cries Mary on it in the Company > field. I don't remember what his name was on it. Sky Cries Mary are an american psychedelic/space rock band (and quite a tasty one, IMHO). It may well have been someone from Sky Cries Mary you saw at the Microsoft launch. They certainly strike me as a band courting the use of new technology (but quite how this fits in with Microsoft is beyond me >:-). For example, they were the first band ever to do a live gig broadcast over the Internet via the MBONE (which I missed, naturally :-(). I wonder if there is a QIC cartridge lying about somewhere with the data of that gig on it... Cheers, Paul. PS: They also have an MPEG video for "Every Iceberg Is Afire" on their WWW site. obBOC-L: We've had the Space Ritual, and the Earth Ritual. C'mon Hawkwind, now give us the CyberSpace Ritual (a live gig broadcast over the Internet via the MBONE)... e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Fri Sep 29 03:21:41 1995 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 17:21:41 +1000 Subject: BOC: Memorabilia Message-ID: Perhaps it was my lack of manners in not offering to pick up the booklet on someone's behalf, but I haven't seen any responses to my post on memorabilia. I apologise if that's the case, and of course, if anyone wants it, email me and we'll work something out. The price does sound high to me, especially when I see that WOTT is retailing for around US$20. That's about what we pay on average for a single new release CD (A$29) let alone a double. Still waiting for WOTT's arrival DownUnder. BTW, speaking of prices, from what I've seen of ticket prices in BOC-L conversation, Oz must be a looong way away for touring bands )-: Top draw overseas artists start at about A$60. Can anyone guess how jealous I am? But it's not too far Al/Deb, and the weather's perfect, the beer's cold, and the concert crowds are enthusiastic. (-; Pete. > >I was in a local record shop on Saturday and I came across a BOC booklet. It >looked like a tour guide though it didn't seem to mention any dates or >venues. It had biog stuff of the band, and mentioned _Spectres_ as being >recently released. It was marked at A$24.95, which I guess is about US$18.00 >or UK12.00. I must confess to not looking at it all that closely, it's not >my sort of thing, but it did make me curious about BOC-Lers who are into >memorabilia. Is there much trade in BOC goodies and tidbits? Is this a fair >price for this book? > >Coincidentally, I was playing my _OYFOOYK_ CD this morning before work and >while looking at the liner notes I noticed that Buck's name is spelt Rooser >in the band list. Is this a valid alternative spelling or a misprint? Is it >a collectable? I know that my brother-in-law, who is German, often uses _oe_ >instead of _o_ with an umlaut (..) e.g. in his email address. > >BTW, the shop is called Rockaway Records, which also has branches in >California and Arizona. I believe that the bloke here's brother runs one (or >both?) of the US shops, and he ships over a lot of vinyl etc by the >container load. > >Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts. >Pete. >************************** >Peter Sondergeld >p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au > > ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Sep 29 08:46:12 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 08:46:12 -0400 Subject: [HW] Brock's Strange Trips In-Reply-To: from "Allan T Grohe Jr" at Sep 28, 95 10:57:06 pm Message-ID: > > On Thu, 28 Sep 1995, David B. Kuznick wrote: > > > I basically had stopped reading my BOC-L mail for a few months when > > the s/n ratio went down the toilet, so I missed the discussions about > > Brock's newest. Am I the only one that thinks this is a fabulous > > album? > > Has anyone seen this domestically in the US yet? Any copies at Best Buy, > or other semi-reliable importers? > > Allan. > Well, I haven't spotted any copies of Brock's new baby down Atlanta way yet, nor the new House or Sprial Realms or Anubian Lights. I did find a strange little single by Sting that features Steve Hillage & Mike Howett (Gong alumni) & Nik Turner, titled Nuclear_Waste that comes in a neat little tin. Haven't played it yet, though, so no comment. David, what can you tell us about this one? Did see the new BOC in the bins. One copy; either they (BB) don't expect to sell many or they are selling like hotcakes (I expect the former). I passed, as I have all but the studio of BTBW already. I have come to detest Sony for their shoddy equipment and am beginning to detest them more for their shitty marketing tactics. Maybe we can get them to keep Michael Jackson (whose latest single is "Don't Let Your Son Go Down On Me" :-) ) and sell Columbia back to someone who cares about the music. objCassetteDeck: Brian Auger's Oblivion Express / Straight Ahead -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 29 09:12:55 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:12:55 -0400 Subject: Brain Surgery anyone? Message-ID: Haven't heard much this week from the Brain Surgeons, and I understand the had a gig 2 weeks ago, that a certain Mr. Swann may have attended. Steve, have you done a review yet? I may have missed it since I was on vacation - please post (or send it to me via private e-mail if you prefer). Any future gigs for the BrS in the works? John (hoping another gig at Mama Kins might be happenin . . .) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 29 09:15:03 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:15:03 -0400 Subject: Bolle's review of WOTT on AOL Message-ID: I heard Bolle posted a 3 part review of WOTT to the AOL board -- could someone post it here? I'd be very interested to hear what he thought of the CD set. John From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Sep 29 22:30:29 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 22:30:29 MEZ Subject: Box Sets Message-ID: >Paul comments on my comments, and now I have more comments . . . > >John A Swartz writes: > >that is still on-going. Meanwhile, though, recognizing that there really >isn't a "definitive" BOC greatest hits collection, they decided to >release WOTT - which for them is relatively inexpensive as they have >the recording rights to all of the tracks. Sony has not made statemenst >Also, I hardly think WOTT is "crappy" -- it is a very good "greatest hits" >package. Yeah, I've got most of the stuff already, so maybe I don't >need this (or, as a collector, maybe I do), but there may be lots of >people that this package is right for. How 'bout the folks who listened I know absolutely nothing about BOC, but John's comments make great sense to me. I've seen BOC CD's in stores many a time, but have never forked out the cash because I don't really know what to expect. If I see WOTT, I probably will buy it however, as I can think of no better way to be introduced to the band than by a compilation such as this. There were numerous comments in the past about the lack of new/unreleased material on the Griffin Hawkwind Box Set, but this falls into the same category. It would be a great introduction to HW for a newbie. I bought it, even though it was damn expensive (at least in Australia it was), even though I had 95% of the tracks allready. I am not sorry either, and I doubt if I would be sorry if I bought WOTT. Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Fri Sep 29 09:28:15 1995 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:28:15 -0400 Subject: HW Discography Update; section 3 Message-ID: Hawkjoe says: >>>> According to the Bible "This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic" chapter 7, quote: "[...] Because of Gingers departure, the Italian tour was cancelled. But apparently, Ginger was quick to capitalise, for he gathered together several of his cronies, formed a band and flew across to Italy where he was reported to have played the [cancelled] gigs under the name of Hawkwind! [...]" unquote This was 1981. 1982, in Italy and Milan, there was an album published, entitled Bakerandband / From Humble Oranges. Musicians: Ginger Baker / Doug Brockie / Karl Hill. Label CGD ^^^^^^^^^ (D. Brock soundalike, full name on inner sleeve: Douglas Murray Brockie) Has this band toured in Italy under the name of Hawkwind???????? (This question has haunted me ever since I bought the K.Tait book in 1984) >>> Well jumping on a rare chance to talk about Ginger Baker !!! There is anotehr album (whcih I have) 'Ginger Baker Live' which is I believe listed as either 1980 or 81 (I'd have to check at home) it doesn't have the personell on the 'Humble Oranges' album, but it does include one other Hawkwind alumni - Keith Hale. I've always wondered if *this* was the lineup that toured as Ginger Bakers Hawkwind for that one little joint. (To be fair to Ginger I'm sure that he was fulfilling contractual obligations or something, I don't think he really needed the Hawkwind tag ). Good album (jazzy though) and certainly features one very HW'ish track. Anyway Mike thats my addition to the discog - Kieth Hale on 'Ginger Baker Live' I may try and put together a Ginger Baker section for the discography, anybody else interested ?? Cheers, Steve L. From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Sep 29 14:27:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:27:00 BST-1 Subject: see ya soon (was Re: Man, LOOP and Box Sets) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01HVTY7TG3GI8Y7H7C at delphi.com> > I bought my first Man album a couple weeks ago ("Be Good To > Yourself At Least Once A Day", I really dig it) and in the > liner notes they thank "Hawkwind for achieving the impossible". > Anyone know what they're talking about? Space Ritual maybe? :) > > Chuck Which edition is that? My recent acquisition of said (excellent) album was a CD on the BGO label, and it had a potted history of Man inside, rather than the original credits. It had the immortal line, "we may not be the best band in the world, but we sure smoke the most dope", though, which maybe gives a clue to your question :) - Andy From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Fri Sep 29 09:36:34 1995 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:36:34 -0400 Subject: Regarding: Hawkwind Discography Update Message-ID: Seb said: >> >I. Dave Brock >Dave Brock also appeared on: Two tracks from the Dharma Blues Band also appear on British Blues, a double cassette release. >> Also double lP. Believe its the Best of British Blues Vol 1. Cheers, Steve L. From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Sep 29 14:39:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:39:00 BST-1 Subject: [HW] Brock's Strange Trips Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9509291246.AA03820 at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> > > Craig said > Well, I haven't spotted any copies of Brock's new baby down Atlanta way > yet, nor the new House or Sprial Realms or Anubian Lights. I did find a > strange little single by Sting that features Steve Hillage & Mike Howett > (Gong alumni) & Nik Turner, titled Nuclear_Waste that comes in a neat > little tin. Haven't played it yet, though, so no comment. David, what > can you tell us about this one? ... and I thought I'd jump in. I know my tastes differ from yours, Craig, so I'll try and be objective! It's the same song as on ICU's _Pass Out_, and then rejigged as "Strontium 90" on _PoT_. Quite poppy, restrained but distinctive vocal from Mr Sumner. Nice singalong stuff. Even a friend of mine who used to work at Sellafield liked it! I tended to prefer the ICU version, though, mostly for the line you can just hear as it fades out, "ram it up your shit-hole, Mrs T!" > Michael Jackson (whose latest single is "Don't Let Your Son Go Down On > Me" :-) ) and sell Columbia back to someone who cares about the music. Is that a cover of Nik Kershaw's "I Won't Let My Mum Go Down On Me"? - Andy From bedens at INTELLINET.COM Fri Sep 29 10:21:04 1995 From: bedens at INTELLINET.COM (Bert Edens) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:21:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: >There are some songs that we'll never hear the boys do again; Bolle >has commented that Baby Ice Dog is among them. I've wondered if the >terms of the settlement somehow affected the ownership of the songs >themselves, if perhaps 3OC doesn't have a clear right to the entire >BOC catalogue. >Copyright in the music business can be very muddy, and Sony may not >have wanted to invest the time to figure things out. Another way to look at it is that WotT may push and promote Imaginos, but not contain any tracks for a good reason. From Sony's point of view, they may not want to have the legal hassle of having Imaginos tunes on WotT, but if they promote it, a sale is still a sale, regardless of legal ownership, and money in their pocket... :) Later... Bert +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bert Edens - bedens at intellinet.com | | http://www.intellinet.com/~bedens/home.html | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Picard (about Q): "A member of the Q Continuum, who | | feels that it's his purpose in life to annoy us." | | Q: "Not my SOLE purpose. I like to spread myself around." | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | GO HOGS GO! GO HOGS GO! GO HOGS GO! GO HOGS GO! GO HOGS GO! | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Sep 29 16:33:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 16:33:00 BST-1 Subject: [HW] Brock's Strange Trips Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I said > I tended to prefer the ICU version, though, mostly for the line you can > just hear as it fades out, "ram it up your shit-hole, Mrs T!" But I'm talking bollocks again - even though it's a great line, it's not actually on the _Pass Out_ version - it's in the lyric book, however, and I know that's how they used to perform it. Until they got fed up with it, that is, and tried to get through the whole song as fast as possible (they were down to under a minute eventually). - Andy From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Sep 29 12:35:59 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:35:59 EST Subject: [HW] Brock's Strange Trips Message-ID: Spoke to Mike Coleman yesterday re: Griffin's forthcoming release of Brock's "Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams". Apparently they STILL haven't put it out, despite much anticipation by hordes of American Hawkfans. Mike hasn't seen it anywhere, and his distributors are not yet listing it either. Perhaps someone should try contacting Griffin directly with this question? Captain Cloud From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 29 11:38:49 1995 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:38:49 -0400 Subject: Bolle's Review Of WotT Message-ID: Ask and ye shall receive... PART 1 Subj: ON THE DAY AFTER.... Date: 95-09-27 00:15:25 EDT From: TUBULAR 1 So I ventured to Tower records at Midnite on the 25th. I was laughed at by the store clerk who said... Don't you know the release Midnite section is not for bands like BOC but in Fact David Bowie. So I bought david bowie (db) & Went home... Cool album 75 minutes of new BowEno stuff and even Mike Garson was on it...( I loved this guy until he became a scientologist...Now I think... Fuck all of those hemorrhoidless assholes (a/k/a/ perfect assholes) Infact he was also on David Letterman... Now, did somebody say BOC should B on Letterman 2? I think so... but when stores refuse to open the box of new releases because what I am asking for isn't hip enough??? N-E-Way I purchased the disc some 12 hours later and went home and looked at it and thought OK. so here we have the definitive release on the subject of their Greatest Hits... as we all know this ain't no Best Of... but definitely their greatest Hits... More of this in Pt-2 PART 2 Subj: Part Two Date: 95-09-27 00:35:17 EDT From: TUBULAR 1 A 2 CD set of their Greatest Hits is always something any band deserves after this many years in the industry. So then my Q is: when you put this together and make it an OK package, Why not make it an excellent package instead and spend some more money on people who have better creative taste in lay-outs and also hopefully the guts to cry out for rather a full colour print booklet. A lot of my old posters and tickets etc. seem to be null and void as the backgrounds here, and I find that the beauty of the old Picsleeve singles are lost when turned into Black & White. That's why we issued Book-marks in colour for MF#2 of all those old super cool Jap singles... As for song selection. Everything here is fine, no comments, except I can't figure out why Imaginos was left off the discs, when it was mentioned in text? Only sad point here is still the serious need for 20 Bit Map mastering on BOC material. But, I hope this set sells the quota, to validify the remake of all albums into 20-BM Mastering. And also of course a real Boxed set would make an interesting packjage for the serious fans of this band. But with this package out, that box would have to have just about all previously unreleased material along with "the Rest Of... which constitutes of more left off B-sides, Quad version things and perhaps in General re-mixed versions of the cooler things we all know of... A Boxed set can of cours also include the 2 pre BOC albums i.e. the finished trax from the planned Soft White Underbelly album along with "St:Cecilia" and perhaps the original Oaxaca tapes as well as the still elusive original David Lucas demos of the Original BOC album from which only The last Days Of May surfaced on that 1st album. Numerous choices from over the years would solidify a most incredible Boxed set. However, this is all hypothetical as we all know. something's gotta give before we can have it our way... Part 3 Comming up PART 3 Subj: Del Tre Date: 95-09-27 00:42:24 EDT From: TUBULAR 1 Oops... No Swedish... Oh well, In my summation of the Closing Argument from This Prosecutor. I think they came out with a package that I will support as Their Greatest Hits, but in No Way by any means... as the Best Of Blue Oyster Cult... That package needs a bit more taste than commercial aspects will normally allow for. I recommend this package for any novel aficionado. and to the Q as what album should I buy? this will be my recommendation from now on. BOLLE_!_? Anything else?? R. <----- From christoj at PLK.AF.MIL Fri Sep 29 11:42:21 1995 From: christoj at PLK.AF.MIL (Julian Christou) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:42:21 -0600 Subject: Man & List Subscription Questions Message-ID: I'm going away for 3 weeks and don't want to clog up my mailbox so I'd like to change over to the digest mode or else unsubscribe for the time. However I can't find the file on how to do it. Help Please. BTW the references to Man "Be Good ..." Does the CD have the fold out map of Wales on the inside like the LP. Julian -- +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ | Dr. Julian Christou | Phone: 505-846-4712 x330 | | PL/LIG, Phillips Lab | FAX: 505-846-2213 | | 3550 Aberdeen SE +-----------------------------+ | Kirtland AFB, NM 87117-5776 | E-mail: christoj at plk.af.mil | +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ " You don't have to be ashamed of using your own ideas" Brian Eno - Oblique Strategies From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Sep 29 12:33:49 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:33:49 -0400 Subject: Bolle's review of WOTT on AOL Message-ID: In a message dated 95-09-29 09:23:41 EDT, you write: >I heard Bolle posted a 3 part review of WOTT to the AOL board -- could >someone post it here? I'd be very interested to hear what he thought >of the CD set. > >John > > > I skipped part 1, I didn't think it was too interesting...but here are 3 other posts by Bolle... ROBO uh...I see Rock beat me to it, but here's somethin' else.... Subj: Workshop of The Journalist Date: 95-09-27 04:06:24 EDT From: TUBULAR 1 Although I do agree with some of the liner notes, I still have to make that sad statement again. These Liner notes are old and of poor ficticious writings. I could do better, I am sure, had I ever dropped acid... As it is, I've never done any drugs in my life... Yes Alcohol is fine, but I personally never even touch an aspirin...It simply is too unnatural... So.. Mr. Levy... why recycle these old lying stories from past presskits that any serious collector already has...NO!! And I Repeat! NO! There never was a half set of EB doing Jap versions of their songs.. What incredible hallucogenics made Arthur write this crap? I recall paying some 200 dollars back in 1979 to find out about this being a reality or not... so to Arthur and his Jap Lies...Fuck That Crap!!! My Osaka Live tape once cost me $200 worth in trades, to secure that audience master back in 1979-80 from my Japanese Bootlegger friends...all because of selling ludicrous LIES! LIES! LIES! These days I'm not so naive anymore and I don't really fall for tricky journalism from any standpoint, but that was weak... You should never tell LIES and especially not when they can be found out...even at a cost of $200 of 70's Dollars... I have NO Respect for people who do too much drugs or tell fables to impress the mere ignorant poor sod (i.e. me at the time) The Liner notes did upgrade some from the presskits, but at the same time, they do need a better rewrite. ...and... Yes! This band is not DEAD this is not a Euolgy of some bygone days. This is the resume of Rock's currently hottest band, no problems. So, why lie about cool possible events when the reality is so much cooler anyways... Just Witness this band LIVE in Concert... I wish some more reality was put into this booklet story. P{erhaps this will allbe redeemed on the day we get to write that Goldmine article and story... Or even better.. I may still surprise everyone and finish my Book Of Cult one of these days... Maltese Falcon??? As in Collectible? with 4 different copies in my hand... Hmm... I'll have to think about that one for a while.... BOLLE_!_? From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 29 12:46:45 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:46:45 -0400 Subject: Bolle's Review Of WotT Message-ID: Ah, leave it to Bolle to tell us how he feels . . . :-) I think Bolle hit the nail on the head with most of his comments regarding WOTT - as for his comments about the folks he had to deal with at Tower, well I can't comment on that. I find it interesting that Bolle makes such a big deal about the distinction between "Best of" and "Greatest Hits", but it is a good point. Obviously though, "Best of" is a subjective thing (beauty in the eye of the beholder). I also found it interesting that Bolle said little about the song selection (something I talked about quite a bit), but commented heavily on the visual aspects of the package. I see Bolle is as confused as I am about the exclusion of *Imaginos* material . . . Bolle also provides a decent listing of stuff that might be applicable to a future offering by Sony, should they care to release some rare stuff that we are all hoping for. John From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 29 12:47:22 1995 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:47:22 -0400 Subject: Bolle's review of WOTT on AOL Message-ID: Thanx for the additional info, ROBO. I skipped that earlier. R. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Sep 29 12:56:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 12:56:00 EDT Subject: Off Topic - Assassin Sonique Address Bolixed? Message-ID: Assassin Sonique, when I try to get apana by browser, I get a no such thing message. I know that can't be the case. I tried to use the e-mail addresses you posted to get the Hawk disk stuff and I got a mechanical nastygram from the new server that took, over only to say it was quitting. (That's just the spirit of the age.) Do you really exist? Anybody else have this problem or is it a personal failing? I used the list cuz I doubt I can reach you otherwise. Rudy - low bid government equipment user From gary at Z-CODE.COM Fri Sep 29 12:54:57 1995 From: gary at Z-CODE.COM (Gary Wingert) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 09:54:57 -0700 Subject: Sky Cries Mary In-Reply-To: Paul Mather "Re: Sky Cries Mary" (Sep 29, 7:29) Message-ID: On 29.Sep, paul wrote re: "Re: Sky Cries Mary" paul> Kevin Haskel Rubin writes: paul> paul> > Just who are Sky Cries Mary? I was at the Microsft Launch paul> '95 last month, > and there was only one person I saw who was paul> scruffier looking than me (but > far less nerdy) and his name paul> badge said Sky Cries Mary on it in the Company > field. I paul> don't remember what his name was on it. paul> paul> Sky Cries Mary are an american psychedelic/space rock band paul> (and quite a tasty one, IMHO). Yes, indeedy! paul> It may well have been someone from Sky Cries Mary you saw at paul> the Microsoft launch. They certainly strike me as a band paul> courting the use of new technology (but quite how this fits paul> in with Microsoft is beyond me >:-). For example, they were They had something to do with the Windows 95 launch event. I don't remember what it was (other than performing and doing some multimedia stuff), and I don't remember where I saw that info. It was on a TV program about High Tech Stuff. paul> PS: They also have an MPEG video for "Every Iceberg Is Afire" paul> on their WWW site. It's actually IUMA's site: http://www.iuma.com/IUMA-2.0/brew/concerts/Sky_Cries_Mary/index.html "On Thursday, November 10 at 7:00pm PST, World Domination Records, Windswept Pacific, the Internet Underground Music Archive (IUMA), Starwave Corporation, and Nick Turner of Firstars Management ^^^^^^^^^^^ present the Seattle-based techno/ambient rock band Sky Cries Mary performing a live show in one of the first ever real-time rock concert broadcasts over the Internet." Another SCM page (don't know if it's offical or not): http://underground.net/Worlddom/SkyCriesMary/ cheers, gary From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Sep 29 13:39:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:39:00 EDT Subject: Way off topic- Codes for Dr. J's time away Message-ID: I tried to send this direct, but this is what I got. Sorry the rest of you! {{While talking to ug1.plk.af.mil: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown 550 ... User unknown}} Set BOC-L DIGEST (or NODIGEST to restore flow) Set BOC-L NOMAIL (or MAIL to restore) I used the digest mode. One a day isn't bad and you get a special update version when U reset. These should be sent to listsev at listserv.spc.edu Enjoy the time off, Rudy From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Sep 29 13:51:43 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:51:43 -0400 Subject: Man & List Subscription Questions Message-ID: >I'm going away for 3 weeks and don't want to clog up my mailbox so >I'd like to change over to the digest mode or else unsubscribe for >the time. However I can't find the file on how to do it. Help >Please. Sure. Have a good time. Ben's words of wisdom are reproduced below, Martyn %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ... Please keep your hands inside the ride at all times ... But, seriously, folks - the list will be moving some time within the next 24 hours. In support of that, I'm going to temporarily suspend all subscriptions and removals so things can stabilize. All subscription status changes will resume once the list is fully relocated. 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Please note that topic selection will be ignored for digest mode. 3) Temporary absences: If you expect to be away for a while and would like to temporarily stem the flood of mail you receive, you can turn on/off the mail feed by sending mail to with a message body of: SET BOC-L NOMAIL Stop receiving mail SET BOC-L MAIL Restart mail reception 4) Multiple mail addresses: If you happen to have multiple mail addresses, you will NOT be able to post from any except the one with which you subscribed. This also applies to anyone who receives mail through some other form of mail exploder, such as a local bulletin board. If you wish to post to the list, you will need to subscribe each address individually, and then disable mail reception (see "Temporary absences" above) on all but your preferred mail drop. 5) Further instructions about mailing list commands are available by sending mail to with a message body of: INFO REFCARD INFO GENINTRO Benjamin Cohen moderator, BOC-L From cic8180 at TAM2000.TAMU.EDU Fri Sep 29 15:08:58 1995 From: cic8180 at TAM2000.TAMU.EDU (Charles Ira Cooper) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:08:58 -0500 Subject: Will BOC ever be playing in Texas? In-Reply-To: <9509191356.AA03872@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> from "Craig Shipley" at Sep 19, 95 09:56:11 am Message-ID: Hey does anyone know if BOC has plans to play in Texas within the next 6 months? Ira From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Sep 29 17:05:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:05:00 PDT Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: >I paid $21.99 for Scopes... >I would imagine that a "complete" box set would contain about 6 CDs... >ROBO $21.99? Try $17.99 at Best Buy. If I did the box set there would be at least 8 disks. SWU/SFG stuff, demos, something from every studio album, something from every live album, the best covers, and all the new material the band currently has. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Sep 29 17:20:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:20:00 PDT Subject: HW Live Chronicles Video CD & BOC Workshop Box Set Message-ID: >I'm a BOC neophyte. While the reviews of the WOT box set are being done >from a more hard core point-of-view, some of the caveats have made me wonder >if I should dip my toe in this or some other compilation. What would you >guys suggest as the best initial sampler for somebody who is curious, but >not necessarily committed yet? I saw Career of Evil (?) CD in a cheapie bin >and that seemed to include a number of the primary songs from the dream set >list. Is that a more cost effective 1st step? > Rudy the ferret mage AB $.02 says buy WOTT. You get more songs and a much better variety of BOC music than you can with any of the other compilations. Plus only the FAQ or Bolle can give you better information of the band than what is included inside the set. Prices seem to range from $23.99 to $17.99. If you are near a Best Buy that is the place to get it ($17.99). A(WOTT FAN)B From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Sep 29 17:38:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:38:00 PDT Subject: Will BOC ever be playing in Texas? Message-ID: >Hey does anyone know if BOC has plans to play in Texas within the >next 6 months? Ira A quick check of Cyberbaron says: OK City, OK was the 23rd of Sept. Little Rock AK was the 24th of Sept. Chicago 30th Sept. October has them in Alberquerque, NM on the 14th of October They will be in my area on the 20th, (Virginia) West Virginia on the 21st and.................... Looks like Europe by the end of the month. Sorry AB From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Fri Sep 29 15:39:27 1995 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 19:39:27 GMT Subject: My expectations will melt, and then my wall Message-ID: I remember BMW using the intro of an Ozric Tentacles song for an ad...but only for a short period, anyway the bavarian seem tov love rock... - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Sep 29 16:12:57 1995 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Damon C Capehart) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:12:57 -0500 Subject: Strange Trips Message-ID: Well, contrary to our reports of Mike Coleman saying STaPD isn't out yet, here's an interesting bit o'info: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 21:55:21 +0800 From: new-releases mailing list To: new-releases at cs.uwp.edu Subject: NEW AND UPCOMING CD RELEASES, WEEKLY LIST: 1995-Sep-25 [ snip LOTS ] LISTING: [snip] 09/26 David Bowie The Outside * 09/26 David Brock Strange Trips & Pipe Dreams [ Yes, I bought Bowie's new one, produced by Eno, and it's the weirdest album I have ever bought, even for me, IMO anyway... back to Brock. The new-releases list is updated and sent out once a week, and the asterisk indicates "new item" or "something has changed since last week's issue". The former applies here, so somehow they got some info that it was out this past Tuesday here in the U.S. ] [ snip LOTS more ] DISCLAIMERS: Dates given are U.S. release dates (generally Tuesday), unless otherwise indicated. Release dates could change without notice. This list might contain errors and may not be complete. In the event of conflicting dates from different sources, generally the later date will be used. [ Well, this kind of clarifies that they may be wrong, but it seems weird that they would put something on the list and *right away* the info is not quite right. What do some of you think? ] Damon Capehart | "Man, what a stupid .sig ..." -- You dcapehar at utdallas.edu From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 29 16:20:48 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 16:20:48 -0400 Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: ROBO and AB on the subject of a BOC box set: >I would imagine that a "complete" box set would contain about 6 CDs... >ROBO $21.99? Try $17.99 at Best Buy. If I did the box set there would be at least 8 disks. SWU/SFG stuff, demos, something from every studio album, something from every live album, the best covers, and all the new material the band currently has. AB Well, you can argue the numbers - but yeah, it's definitely more than 2. To get all of the "best of" BOC, as I said before, you really needed, IMHO, 3 discs. Then, if you want to start including all the a-sides, b-sides, promo stuff, live stuff, SWU/SFG, perhaps studio out-takes, and more, you could easily get up to th 6-8 disc range, and probably beyond. I think the "ultimate box set" that I dreamed up, after I thought about it for a Looonnnggg time, ended up with 13 discs. Now THERE'S a box set to break all of our bank accounts! John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Sep 29 16:31:05 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 16:31:05 -0400 Subject: HW Live Chronicles Video CD & BOC Workshop Box Set Message-ID: My $0.02 on Rudy's question of what a BOC newbie should get is as AB has said: Get WOTT. This will pretty much thoroughly indoctrinate you. Some of its other advantages are that it is loaded with material from their earliest albums, which delve most deeply into the various concepts which their music explores, it gives you both studio and live cuts, and there's some history with the liner notes (albeit some lies as Bolle has pointed out -- I forgot about that and meant to update the FAQ on some of that stuff -> since I got a copy of one of those Japanese shows from '78, I *knew* that E. Bloom didn't do the whole concert in Japanese! This needs to be corrected in the FAQ - Bloom did do a spoken intro to "Godzilla" in Japanese, and maybe said a few other things translating to "hello", "thankyou", or "goodnight", but he certainly didn't sing any Japanese lyrics. But, unless you just can't fork over the $$ for WOTT (and if you're gonna become a "hardcore" fan, be prepared to ;-) ), then you could grab either another compilation or one of their live albums if you find it in the bargain bins. But, don't make the mistake of forking over $10-15 for something like *Career of Evil* when for a few bucks more you can get *Workshop of the Telescopes*! John From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Sep 29 16:38:33 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 16:38:33 -0400 Subject: HW: Space is Deep Message-ID: With all this talk of impending releases, does anyone know anything about an upcoming Hawkwind release called _Space is Deep_ listed on several Internet CD stores? The release date is October 17th, 1995, and its catalogue number is RECEIVER 1297 206 2. I thought the new album was called _Area S.4_ or _Alien S.4_ or something like that?? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Pinkwind, _Festival of the Sun_ From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Sep 29 16:41:18 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 16:41:18 -0400 Subject: HW Live Chronicles Video CD & BOC Workshop Box Set Message-ID: >another compilation or one of their live albums if you find it in the >bargain bins. But, don't make the mistake of forking over $10-15 for So which BOC live album would you recommend? Martyn From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Sep 29 17:09:24 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 22:09:24 +0100 Subject: HW: the weird tapes Message-ID: >I also understand that Brian Tawn's 'Hawkfan' advertised some of the >Wierd Tapes as they were issued so if you've got back copies of those >you might be able to get some idea of exact issue dates. I'm a HawkFan without any HawkFans at all, but the last number - which was recently copied to me on a Rank Xerox... Sad, but true. Is there somebody with backcopies who would like to help me with the release months of this treasure? >jill \\joe From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Sep 29 17:27:45 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 22:27:45 +0100 Subject: HW: Space is Deep Message-ID: >With all this talk of impending releases, does anyone know anything >about an upcoming Hawkwind release called _Space is Deep_ listed on >several Internet CD stores? > >The release date is October 17th, 1995, and its catalogue number >is RECEIVER 1297 206 2. I thought the new album was called _Area S.4_ >or _Alien S.4_ or something like that?? > >Cheers, > >Paul. If it's on RECEIVER - I can smell another forthcoming Anthology/Acid Daze recycling product. Depends how you count, but this can be number 20 in this series based on the three Anthology albums (and sometimes also the _Levitation_ album...) "Space is Deep - the 20th Anniversary Daze" (but I *could* be wrong ;^) cheers - \\joe From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Sep 29 18:37:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 17:37:00 -0500 Subject: New Bevis Frond Message-ID: Heard that there was a new Bevis Frond due out anyday? Anyone know anything more specific? Scott P.S. I just heard Debbie Saloman- 7", The Radioactive Rabbit and Nick plays some of the best spacey psych guitar I have heard him play in a long while.. Very cool 7" on Farce Records (Richmond,VA). Obtape: HW- Cleveland 95' From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Sep 29 18:50:23 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 17:50:23 EST Subject: Strange Trips Message-ID: Comment on new-releases mailing list: After the first excerpt was posted a week or so ago, I downloaded a copy of this terrific resource. It seems to me from reading the disclaimer and the list of contributors, that only SOME of this info actually comes direct from the record companies. The rest seems to come from individuals who Email in their contributions. I examined the list of contributing record companies, and Griffin / Gopaco was NOT on the list, kind of implying that any info on Griffin releases did not come from Griffin, but rather from some individual. Now I'm speculating here, but perhaps *ANYBODY* can Email in a contribution...even me, to describe an imaginary album that I really wish existed (will exist?). Note: I am not claiming that the Brock solo is imaginary :-). Rather, a well-intentioned but mis-informed contributor volunteered the info posted on the new-releases list? After all, this is the 'Net. I take EVERYTHING with a grain (or a shaker) of salt. Captain Cloud (a paranoid untrusting bastard ;-> ) P.S. If anybody confirms that "STaPD" WAS released, I'll be as happy as anyone on BOC-L! From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Sep 29 20:34:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 17:34:00 PDT Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: >ROBO and AB on the subject of a BOC box set: >I would imagine that a "complete" box set would contain about 6 CDs... >ROBO >$21.99? Try $17.99 at Best Buy. If I did the box set there would be at >least 8 disks. SWU/SFG stuff, demos, something from every studio album, >something from every live album, the best covers, and all the new material >the band currently has. >AB >I think the "ultimate box set" that I dreamed up, after I thought about >it for a Looonnnggg time, ended up with 13 discs. Now THERE'S a box >set to break all of our bank accounts! >John Lets line up some investors John because I for one would buy it. AB From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Fri Sep 29 17:57:45 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 17:57:45 -0400 Subject: BOC:WOTTmish mosh Message-ID: Well I've just checked out WOTT and I must admit that I have pretty mixed feelings. My first reaction was nasuea and disgust. That layout! Total cheese! The ETL dog is ok but the way the passes look and the notes on the inside look very sloppy. These notes are filled with inaccuracies and straight out lies (Eric never sang any song in Japaneese). Maybe it's good they're almost impossible to read. I think it's also badly written and politically doesn't make much sense. Why mention Imaginos if it's not on the album? Also doesn't it seem like if it's called "double disc greatest hits" that it would have all the singles like HRTH and the Astronmy from Imaginos (but I digress). Even the spine of the jewlbox looks cheesy, bad choice of colors. In short I think the overall package sucks, the layout lame, liner notes lies, the continuity non-existant but with all that I don't think that it's a total wash out. The main thing that bothers me is that the package itself doesn't scream "buy me." I don't think this thing is gonna sell. That's a pity too because I think some of these cuts are as cool as anything out there. Now you have to understand that I haven't hear any of these cuts on CD before so I have only the vinyl to compare it to. Here are some of my impressions: The first four (from BOC) to me sound better than the vinyl. Whoever said "no remastering" must be mixed up. In order to get these songs on this CD they had to be remastered. The only way they wouldn't have been is if they were taken directly from the previously CDs and even if those were used as the raw mixes they still would have to assemble them on some kind of mastering computer (a Mac running Sonic Solutions or Pro Tools) and while they're at it why not run some no noise. To my ear it sounds better. The only thing is that vocal on COFWR&R. What was I thinking?! Sincere? Yes. Soulful? OK. Different? Definitely. But listenable? Not. Oh well, I think it sounds better in Espanol. I am sure I sing it better now. Trans is pretty cool if you can ignore Bloom's awful vocal. If you can ignore mine I guess you could ignore his. BTK,AR is just totally cool. I can't find a single thing to bitch about. Brilliant! STTS is similar to Trans except Bloom's vox is worse. Still it sounds better than the vinyl. Next the 3 "bootleg" songs (were we the first band to bootleg ourselves?) (GTDTW was a Columbia Compilation record with that cut from the boot ep) make a strange brew to me. "Bucks" seems to have a whole lot of distortion on it. This one absolutely sounds better on the original. Long live vinyl! The other two sound ok but somehow not as exciting. Originally I thought this ep sounded powerful. Now the cuts sound quirky and odd, not bad tho. Diz and COE sound flat-out worse on CD. No question. What happened to all the balls? But just when you thought digital was a mistake comes FT and Astronomy. Boy these cuts sound great in digital. All sorts of things come through. Check out the crash cymbal on the chorus of FT. I'd just gotten it the day before and I was completely taken with it. These two songs sound to me just like they did in the studio. Frankly I'd always suspected that the inner groove distortion had really compressed the dynamics of these two very dramatic tunes. On this CD they sound like I always wanted them to sound. The performance is better than I remembered also. Subhuman also sounds really great to me. Bloom's vocals on all these cuts seem pretty tolerable. HOE is not so lucky. I don't like this one (greatest hits?). ME262, what happened to that gong? I lost it somewhere, maybe at the Fillmore East. Wow! Those 5 guitars sound pretty fierce! Another phunny kool kut. BTBW sounds much better than I remembered. I never listen to my singles. The ending reminds me of some vocal ideas that I had for the song that got quelled. Maybe yet another version is needed? Disk two: DFTR yuck! This is much better on vinyl besides it's totally played out. Oh well. I guess you might be lying if you called it greatest hits and didn't have it. Maybe lying isn't so bad. I guess "greatest hit on thin sterile CD" doesn't sound so good. Some words of advice; skip the first cut on disk two. Skip the next five too while you're at it. GAOL sounds pretty good and seems worth listening to too. The two covers from SEE sound pretty good to me. Bloom's vocal is better doing Rob Tyner than Eric Burdon tho. In Thee may not be the best song on Mirrors but I still like it. The guitar arrangement and vocal harmonies were my idea so if you don't like it......blame SS! No. I really can feel moved by this song. All the rest of the songs sound quite good to me especially VOTPW and D&S, although Shooting Shark sounds like an out take from the solo album BD should have made for Windam Hill! Not to say it's bad or anything, I actually like some of that New Age music, but on a BOC album?????? I'm left feeling a little depressed. This is being represented as part of my work. One thing that I really like is when an album hangs together as a complete work. This one seems like a mish-mosh. Al From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Sep 30 02:49:56 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 02:49:56 -0400 Subject: see ya soon (was Re: Man, LOOP and Box Sets) Message-ID: Andy - I have a US UA vinyl version of Man's "Be Good To Yourself..." which I would assume is the original '73 pressing. It has a huge Man family tree in it and an elaborate fold-out map of Wales (Man's Map of Wales), but unfortunately there is no comment (unless I missed it during my close scrutiny of the record's features) about the dope smoking comment. I guess it's a fair trade-off for the HW comment, eh? I did notice, though, the line in "Bananas" - "I like marijuana...because it gets me stoned". Nice and straight to the point... Chuck From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Sep 30 04:08:02 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 09:08:02 +0100 Subject: HW Discography Update; Lemmy & Ginger Baker Message-ID: >I may try and put together a Ginger Baker section for the discography, >anybody else interested ?? Yes! Make sure you don't miss 'Baker Gurwiz Army'... A ' Solo projects & associated bands' section containing both Ginger Baker and Lemmy's (among all others) complete works may go berzerk in size. Maybe it's time to divide it into three or four pieces? Mike, are your intention to have tracklists on all albums in this discography? If so, tell me - and I'll see where I can help. btw - got an obscure (?) boot with Motorhead, recorded live in Malung, Sweden - a little village out in the deep forests of nowhere with about 3000 inhabitants, and the screaming crowd was circa 1000 - it's called _Titties and Vodka_. I was there, but I only rememer Mosquitos and Vodka. Has anybody with a little more knowledge about Motorhead heard of this boot? I remember how Lemmy was interviewed by the local radio station before this gig. As the radio man didn't know what the name " Motorhead" meant, he asked Lemmy. Lemmy was inspired, and gave the radio listeners a lesson in what a "speed freak" used to do... This was in a radio show for teenagers, and this explanation was not what this radio man had expected. When Lemmy was finished (after several minutes), the radio man had a short translation in Swedish: (translated back to english by me) "Drive your motorcycle very fast..." >Cheers, >Steve L. \\joe From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Sat Sep 30 09:52:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 09:52:00 BST-1 Subject: Man & List Subscription Questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199509291542.JAA05620 at ug1.plk.af.mil> > > BTW the references to Man "Be Good ..." Does the CD have the fold out > map of Wales on the inside like the LP. > Ye-es, but it's compressed onto CD-size and you can't see a thing. - Andy From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Sep 30 18:32:44 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:32:44 +0000 Subject: Off Topic - Assassin Sonique Address Bolixed? In-Reply-To: <306B98B4@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Sep 1995, Rudich, Robert A wrote: > Assassin Sonique, when I try to get apana by browser, I get a no such thing > message. I know that can't be the case. I tried to use the e-mail > addresses you posted to get the Hawk disk stuff and I got a mechanical > nastygram from the new server that took, over only to say it was quitting. > (That's just the spirit of the age.) Do you really exist? Anybody else > have this problem or is it a personal failing? I used the list cuz I doubt > I can reach you otherwise. Hmmm ... it always works for me ... but then I dial in to the server containing the files. I did hear something about the use of a new WWW Proxy Server for aardvark.apana.org.au, but I'll have to ask the system administrator .... I'll get back to you (all) ASAP Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Sep 30 21:30:35 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 21:30:35 MEZ Subject: HW: Codex and Discography Message-ID: Gidday all! The latest Codex and Discography are now available from my WWW pages. The URL is http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hwlinks.html Thanks Mike/Jill! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Sep 30 21:29:03 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 21:29:03 MEZ Subject: HawkDisk Update 30/9/95 Message-ID: The HawkDisk WWW pages have been updated! If you are after a particular HW recording, point your Web Browser at: http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ifoundhw.html If you have a recording that you are willing to trade or sell, have a gawk at: http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/gimmehw.html ------------------------- Those of you that don't have access to the WWW, mail me, and I'll add you to my 'mailing list' so that you get a text version automatically each time the pages get updated. Happy Kollecting! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Sat Sep 30 12:48:58 1995 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 12:48:58 -0400 Subject: OFF TOPIC-King Crimson Message-ID: Anyone got tour dates for the East Coast? regards, Bill Stewart From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat Sep 30 17:50:12 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 17:50:12 -0400 Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: According to Albert, the reason for no Imaginos has to do with no imagination rather than the lawsuit-- which was settled out of court. They have the rights to all of the material and performances recorded for Columbia. They don't have the rights to what they sell as the Live in 76 album and video, but that's another story. What this sloppily slapped together package (the senseless track selection reflects as little thought as the horendous art direction, unproofed liner notes and out of focus graphics) also makes clear is how missing in action Sandy Pearlman is. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sat Sep 30 23:09:49 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 23:09:49 -0400 Subject: BOC: workshop In-Reply-To: <950930175011_69747519@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Sep 30, 95 05:50:12 pm Message-ID: Deborah writes: > rights to all of the material and performances recorded for Columbia. They > don't have the rights to what they sell as the Live in 76 album and video, > but that's another story. I thought _Live 1976_ was sold by Griffen in the USA (and Castle Communications in the UK/Europe), and not by Columbia? Cheers, Paul. obListening: The Bevis Frond, "Mediaeval Sienese Acid Blues", _Inner Marshland_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land.