From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sun Oct 1 00:46:48 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 00:46:48 -0400 Subject: BOC: Memorabilia Message-ID: Of course, we'll go anywhere for a good beer... But it also helps to have the promoter contact us... :-) --DF From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Sun Oct 1 07:51:02 1995 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:51:02 GMT Subject: HW Discography Update; section 3 Message-ID: In message ID <199509291328.JAA22080 at dogberry> on 29/09/95, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion L wrote: BDL> I may try and put together a Ginger Baker section for the BDL> discography, anybody else interested ?? Yo! Ginger played in one live album of Fela Ransome Kuti in 1971: 4 tracks: 1. Let's start 2. Black man's cry 3. Yeye de smell (where he is introduced by Fela to the audience) 4. Egbe mi o That links HW to the Black President - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sun Oct 1 12:14:51 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 12:14:51 -0400 Subject: BOC: workshop Message-ID: In a message dated 95-09-30 17:55:25 EDT, you write: >According to Albert, the reason for no Imaginos has to do with no imagination >rather than the lawsuit-- which was settled out of court. They have the >rights to all of the material and performances recorded for Columbia. They >don't have the rights to what they sell as the Live in 76 album and video, >but that's another story. What this sloppily slapped together package (the >senseless track selection reflects as little thought as the horendous art >direction, unproofed liner notes and out of focus graphics) also makes clear >is how missing in action Sandy Pearlman is. > > > well, I don't think the track selection is all that bad...for a "passive" fan I think the CD set works just fine...for the hardcore fan, however, we is lookin' for something about 12 CDs in length w/ SWU, SFG, B sides and rare live material...ahem, also the brand new BOC album "Still Burnin'" w/ I'd Like To See You In Black as the first single... The art really isn't at all that bad...although the colors of the discs should've obviously been Red and Black, with perhaps the design of an old BOC LP label on them...the cover art could've been original, instead of rehashing the inner-sleeve of a BOC LP... but, I think it's a pretty damn good product and don't feel that I didn't get my moneys worth...I think this CD set makes more sense that On Flame or Career of Evil, at least this one has a concept... ROBO From aaahamed at SCIBORG.UWATERLOO.CA Sun Oct 1 13:31:18 1995 From: aaahamed at SCIBORG.UWATERLOO.CA (DelRio) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 13:31:18 -0400 Subject: BOC: workshop In-Reply-To: <951001121450_113662033@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Hello Everyone! Excuse my ignorance but, there's a new BOC CD out?. I was waiting for WotT all summer but the delays got me frustrated so I left the list for a while! Now I'm back and it's out. Problem is WotT isnt released in Canada yet I think? Could someone just give me a brief description of the CD set and when it was released. Thanks BTW What's the latest regarding a BOC CD with new material?? Maybe I should leave the list again and it'll be released soon? From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sun Oct 1 14:22:09 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:22:09 -0400 Subject: HW Discography Update; section 3 Message-ID: >Yo! > >Ginger played in one live album of Fela Ransome Kuti in 1971: >4 tracks: >1. Let's start >2. Black man's cry >3. Yeye de smell (where he is introduced by Fela to the audience) >4. Egbe mi o > >That links HW to the Black President > >- sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). I saw Fela Kuti at Glastonbury in 1984 and was not very impressed. He seemed to be on a huge ego trip. I thought that he ended up getting banged up in jail in Nigeria? Martyn From swann at PHANTOM.COM Sun Oct 1 19:42:09 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:42:09 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Concert review coming soon. In-Reply-To: <9509251530.AA22752@phinet.sb.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Sep 1995, CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY wrote: > John said: > > >Any new news in the Brain Surgeons? > > Well, they played CBGB's on Sep 15th. > Steve (?) said he was going to post a review of the gig but I don't > recall seeing it. > Anyone seen/have it? I would like to see a review if possible. Yeah, Steve has been having problems with his netfeed lately, as both the sites that he uses to access it have been suffering from some kind of electronic personality disorders. The concert was an interesting experience - Lurking Girl and I got to play at being roadies, which gave me a "perspective" problem when deciding what point of view from which to compose the review. ;-) There turns out to be too much good material to just leave it all out, so I'll probably take a bit longer, expanding the basic concert review (which is already written), to include a recounting of what it's like backstage with the Brain Surgeons. Steve From stuarth at CBR.DIT.CSIRO.AU Sun Oct 1 21:05:14 1995 From: stuarth at CBR.DIT.CSIRO.AU (Stuart Hungerford) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:05:14 +1000 Subject: Spirit of the Age remix In-Reply-To: <199509262137.AA04230@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Sep 26, 95 05:37:17 pm Message-ID: quoth Duane Hoyt: > I purchased a cd today that I would like to ask about here, if anyone knows > or heard of this. It is called Hawkwind: Spirit of the Age, Solstice Remixes. > The cover is yellow, black, and orange, with the double hawks and an eye in > the middle. It is the same as the 95 US tour postcard. I suspect I'm the minority here, but I actually liked this thing *and* the QS&C remixes *and* the Apollo 440 cover of "Don't Fear The Reaper". Can one get counseling for remixophilia? From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Sun Oct 1 23:58:11 1995 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 20:58:11 -0700 Subject: WOT Message-ID: Here is my brief opinion on WOT. Song selection sucks. Why the covers ! When perfectly great songs like The Vigil and The Great Sun Jester were left out and not to mention any Imaginos material - that in it self is a sin. Why talk about Imaginos in the liner notes and not include any songs from it ??? They could have at least mixed the songs up - instead of just playing them in 'order'. Cover art for the most part is half - assed. When I saw the art work printed on the CD's I thought it was a mistake. The Cult Classic art work - both inside and outside the CD is superior. The only positive thing I have to say about the artwork is the back cover and inside liner notes (way to go Bolle !). If Sony or any one else who anything to do with this project had any vision at all - they would have included the un-released material that is supposed to exist. In this age of the information super highway - SONY could have, at the very least, polled the fans via WWW or simple email. Give the people what they want ! Sorry to be so negative - but SONY is not going to get new BOC fans with what amounts to the third or fouth lame greatest hits CD in a row. Shawn - From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Oct 2 09:54:55 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:54:55 BST Subject: HW: odds and sods Message-ID: Whilst browsing through the Hawkwind selection of a local record store I came across what I thought was the new album, only to realise it was just a new cover for the Independant Days compilation. What confused me was that the notes on the back said it was compiled by someone called "Frenchy" in July '95, but I thought Independant Days has been around for years. Does anyone know anything about this? Also, it seems HW have added another date to the tour which is Hastings Pier on October the 24th. That's another gig for me to go to. bye - Rob From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Oct 2 06:28:24 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 06:28:24 -0400 Subject: Spirit of the Age remix Message-ID: > >quoth Duane Hoyt: > >> I purchased a cd today that I would like to ask about here, if anyone knows >> or heard of this. It is called Hawkwind: Spirit of the Age, Solstice Remixes. >> The cover is yellow, black, and orange, with the double hawks and an eye in >> the middle. It is the same as the 95 US tour postcard. > > I suspect I'm the minority here, but I actually liked this > thing *and* the QS&C remixes *and* the Apollo 440 cover of > "Don't Fear The Reaper". Can one get counseling for > remixophilia? > > I have had a chance to listen to this a few more times, and like it more and more each time. What I was wondering though is, does any member of HW have anything to do with this, as my cd has absolutly no credit info on it. Duane -- " You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." Bob Dylan From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Oct 2 13:09:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 13:09:00 BST-1 Subject: Area S4 Message-ID: It's out! On CD digipak and 12" ep. I got the vinyl for the extra track. Beware! It says 45rpm, and should say 33... "Alien I Am" sounded very weird indeed until I twigged! OK, what do you get: Side 1 Alien (I Am) The Roswell Edit - Brock Sputnik Stan - Davey Side 2 Death Trap - Brock/Calvert Wastelands - Brock Are You Losing Your Mind? - Brock/Davey/Chadwick/Tree (yep, they've stiffed Simon God on the credits again. Oh well) My idiosyncratic review: Alien I Am - this has a nice, big, riff, and will be AWESOME live. Brock lead vocals too! Sputnik Stan - It's an Alan Davey track, so of course it's got the rolling, relentless bass mixed well to the fore - bit like "LSD". Another one made to be played live. High marks for both of these, especially Alien I Am, which I predict will go down very well with most of boc-l. Death Trap - didn't like this version, seemed rather leaden, and as for Ron Tree's vocals, well, less said the better... Wastelands is pretty much as heard on _The Business Trip_, as is The Iron Dream, except for the infamous "silicon chip" vocals, which to my mind are not an enhancement. - Andy From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 2 13:17:08 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 13:17:08 BST Subject: HW: odds and sods In-Reply-To: Rob S's message of Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:54:55 BST Message-ID: > Whilst browsing through the Hawkwind selection of a local > record store I came across what I thought was the new album, > only to realise it was just a new cover for the Independant > Days compilation. What confused me was that the notes on the > back said it was compiled by someone called "Frenchy" in July > '95, but I thought Independant Days has been around for years. > Does anyone know anything about this? > There's a booklet inside that goes into details about this release - I only scanned through it quickly but basically they've taken two tracks out (because they are more related to Chronicle of the Black Sword) and included everything else from Indep. 1 & 2 although all the tracks have been completely re-ordered. Haven't had a chance to see if the tracks have been "cleaned up" in any way so I've no idea about this. Hopefully not. "Frenchy" is involved in Cherry Red records and Flicknife I think? So it'll be an official re-issue. cheers jill =========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 2 09:09:22 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:09:22 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Concert review coming soon. Message-ID: O.K. Steve, I'll grant you a little grace period on the review. Kind of a thrill to be helping the band move their stuff, huh? (for you, that is, I'm sure that the band has long since lost the excitement of hauling around their stuff after a gig :-) ). Carl, Tania, and I got to be of some assistance when they were in Boston this summer, and it was a cool experience (not to mention that the show was fantastic besides). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 2 09:34:05 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:34:05 -0400 Subject: HW Live Chronicles Video CD & BOC Workshop Box Set Message-ID: Martyn queries my post: >another compilation or one of their live albums if you find it in the >bargain bins. But, don't make the mistake of forking over $10-15 for So which BOC live album would you recommend? Martyn Oops, sorry -- I really shouldn't have recommended buying live albums only if you get them at "bargain basement" prices. I really meant for the BOC newbie to only consider compilations other than WOTT (i.e. Career of Evil, or On Flame w/Rock and Roll) if you can get them real cheap - other wise, financially and musically WOTT is a much better choice. Live albums should really be treated seperately, and I can't necessarily recommend one over the other for the potential new BOC fan, as they all have positive attributes. But, if you really twist my arm - I would say *Some Enchanted Evening* for 3 reasons: 1. It's got 2 of BOC's biggest "hits" on it. 2. Being a single album, it may be financially more attractive to a newbie (I know, I don't use that argument when it comes to buying WOTT over other compilations, do I?) 3. It's the first BOC album I ever bought, and it hooked me. John From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 2 10:32:41 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:32:41 -0400 Subject: HW: odds and sods Message-ID: jill said:>>>>"Frenchy" is involved in Cherry Red records and Flicknife I think? So it'll be an official re-issue.<<<<< marc "frenchy" gloder and gina nares started flickknife in1979-cherry red bought flickknife in 92 following a cycle accident which laid frenchy up for 8 mths. they later took on frenchy as a consultant. source:"frenchy scissorhands-the true story of flickknife(cd). rj From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Mon Oct 2 11:33:48 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:33:48 +0000 Subject: way off topic query Message-ID: i was just wondering if anyone has come across a book called Random acts of senseless violence by jack womack? i wrote it down somewhere but i've gno idea why, any good? hope the sun is shining on all of you ;) afw/yg ObOb: can't remember who mentioned it or why, but gulp! magic muscle, whooooooooooooooooooooah there beastie; what an astounding aural flushing; anyone into TOTALLY mad freakouts go get it. AlittleBOCq: saw fire of unknown origin cheapish (4ukp), is it worth it boccers? From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Oct 2 20:45:32 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 00:45:32 +0000 Subject: Off Topic - Assassin Sonique Address Bolixed? (fwd) Message-ID: Whoever asked me about problems accessing my WWW pages, I have received numerous msgs from people I have asked, and they can all access them. Perhaps this message might shed some light -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 12:35 EST From: Sebastian Filzek To: Paul Ward Subject: Re: Off Topic - Assassin Sonique Address Bolixed? (fwd) >Hey guys, > >Do any of you know why people may be having trouble accessing my WWW pages? I have hot had the problem which was reported in the attached message, I do from time to time get errors from your pages, but all of these can be attributed to the bugs in netscape 1.1n ___ _ / __| ___| |_ Sebastian Filzek - ph 015 550075 A A R D V A R K \__ \/ _ | _ \ email: sab at aardvark.apana.org.au Public Access Internet |___/\__|_|____/ http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sab Modem: (03) 9562-0599 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Oct 2 23:46:31 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:46:31 MEZ Subject: BOC: A 'Review' Message-ID: Gidday All, I was reading through the current issue of the 'Trip', a mag put out by local Melbourne public radio station 3RRR FM, when I came across a BOC review (of sorts) by one of the announcers, and I thought I'd share it with ya all. It was sandwiched between reviews of _Queen II_ (1973), Rolling Stones' _Their Satanic MAjesties Request_ (1967), Brownsvile Station's _Yeah_ (1973), Led Zep's _Presence_ (1976) and Joan Jett & the Blackhearts' _Flashback_ (1981-93), and was written by DJ "Leaping Larry L." as a means of describing his program "It's Clobberin' Time". **** AND I QOUTE **** Blue Oyster Cult - "Blue Oyster Cult" (1972) " I'm at a loss to know exactly what the '60s did to them, but they seemed to have come out of it with something of an "I stubbed my life out on the bedpost this morning" attitude. Not since the Stones (who had a reason, see above) had any band been quite so determined to single-handedly wipe out hip- pie peace-and-love-man values, complete with a post- "Sympathy for the Devil" song about Altamont, minus the 'sym- pathy' part ("Transmaniacon MC"), one about stepping on your fans to get to the top ("Stairway to the Stars"), almost cer- tainly the most peanut-spirited, nasty psychedelic ballad ever recorded ("She's As Beautiful as A Foot"), and a beautiful, shimmering lyrical mirage of a song that turns out to be about a drug deal where one guy blows three kids' brains out in "the no-driving lane" ("Then Came the Last Days of May"). Freaky bunch of sick fucks. Good record too. Later they would dress like itinerant snooker professionals and sound like REO Speedwagon on a too-much-coffee diet, due largely to that incurable rock 'n' roll disease known to medical science as: "Getting Old And Stuff". " btw - I said "And I qoute" Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Oct 2 11:00:23 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:00:23 -0400 Subject: way off topic query In-Reply-To: from "Yuri Gagarin" at Oct 2, 95 03:33:48 pm Message-ID: Yuri Gagarin writes: > ObOb: can't remember who mentioned it or why, but gulp! magic muscle, > whooooooooooooooooooooah there beastie; what an astounding aural > flushing; anyone into TOTALLY mad freakouts go get it. I remember mentioning it in connection with someone asking about getting into Bevis Frond. There is an obHawkwind link in that both Simon House and Adrian Shaw (if memory serves) both play on that album. In fact, this LP is how I stumbled across Nick Saloman (a.k.a. Bevis Frond). I've never looked back! Btw, I agree with you; it's an utterly amazing psychedelic jam! Cheers, Paul. obCD: Shakti, _Shakti With John McLaughlin_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Oct 2 12:11:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:11:00 EDT Subject: Reviews of HW stuff wanted, WotT Message-ID: I've gone to HW acquisition overdrive mode lately. I've got a chance to get either of two videos - Space Nuptials Live or Promo Collection. Since the content of both is unknown to me, and rather than resort to a coin flip, any comments on either? Also, came across an EP (on Emer. Broad. Sys.) version of Quark, Strangeness, & Charm. Has 2 remix versions of Uncle Sams on Mars (a personal fave). Compared to the original QSC live version - does it disappoint or break new ground? Wouldn't you know it? Urged on by the Assassin Sonique, I retried his WWW site and got through. Thanks for humoring me! Seems I have to embarrass myself publicly to convince my browser that I'm serious (Netscape 1.1 and Mosaic Beta 2.0). I just know that any android I'll get will moan another guy's name for sure. Saw WotT over the weekend. Based on the discussions here, I'm gonna get it. However the place I saw it at wanted $22.95. I'll have to browse around to find it at less than the top end of the price range. Al's commentary has especially piqued my interest. Not often I get an inside view of a release. ( )--(a) (@=@=) \ Rudy the ferret mage O__) \ \___ \ \ (Ever watchful for Hawks from above & beyond) /\ * ) \ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 2 13:23:00 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 13:23:00 -0400 Subject: My opinions (and yours) on WOTT Message-ID: I hope I am not grating on people's nerves by continuing to discuss Sony's recent release of BOC material, but in light of some further comments on it (both to the list and via private mail), I'd like to add a few more thoughts on the subject: 1. It is clear that some folks had much higher expectations of this release than I did, and, as a result, seem far more disappointed in it than I would have expected. Once I heard that this "box set" was only going to be a double CD "greatest hits" package, my expectations were not very high, I suppose. I even e-mailed both Sony and the band (well, Buck and Eric anyway) to tell them that I thought a mere "greatest hits" package would NOT sit well with most current BOC fans, and that for this to be a really viable project, it should contain all sorts of unreleased stuff (including live tracks and the SWU/SFG demos), and have improved sound quality to make this a truly "definitive" collection. But, I knew that this was not likely, at least not for this release -- why? Because for WOTT, all Sony had to do was go into their vaults and dig up stuff that they already owned, and avoid any protracted discussions with the band on releasing stuff that was not under their direct control. How- ever, I was (and remain) hopeful that if not now, then perhaps in the future Sony/BOC would be able to work something out and get that stuff released - but as BOC in its current state is an "unproven entity", there wasn't much chance Sony would stretch itself at all financially in BOC's direction. So, what we have is about what I figured we'd get -- the hits (and the amount you can fit on 2 discs means that I guess I couldn't expect everything that should've been included to be there), some sound quality improvements, and a few rare things that the general record-buying public hasn't had a chance to obtain yet. For the hardcore fan that has everything, there's probably no need to buy this set (as was true of Career of Evil, On Flame w/Rock and Roll, and to a lesser extent Cult Classic). BUT - there may be a (hopefully large, but time will tell) potential market from either new fans, or people who don't have much BOC on CD. And while there may be many criticisms of WOTT, as far as BOC compilations go, it wins over the previous ones hands down -- whether another compilation is or was necessary is a different matter. If you don't think that you need another BOC compilation, then WOTT is not for you regardless of how well-done it was. On the otherhand, those who might've thought that this release was going to be chock full of never-before-heard-of releases were deluding yourselves. 2. Al Bouchard made some pretty interesting comments on the tracks on the disc. Don't know if I'd agree with some of his assessments of how awful he and Bloom sound on the early tunes - only because I've listened to those old tracks so many times that those versions are permanently in my memory - and even current live renditions of those tunes won't erase them. Kind of funny to hear Albert talk about how bad he thought his singing of "Cities on Flame" was on the first album -- I recall that on hearing the version on *Cult Classic*, some of us thought that Eric Bloom was trying to sound like Albert's rendition on the first album! So, Albert, it took you over 20 years, but perhaps you got a little unplanned joke in on Eric . . . Also, as far as Albert's comments on the sound quality compared to the original: to MY ears, nothing sounds worse than the original - but then I'm comparing the original CD versions, not the vinyls -- when I had BOC's stuff on album or cassette (or 8-track), I didn't have much for a quality stereo system - it wasn't until after I got into CD's that I really upgraded, so perhaps my comparisons in sound quality are some- what flawed. 3. Regarding the packaging of the CD set: Perhaps also going along with my not-very-high expectations of this set, the packaging didn't strike me very much one way or the other. I don't think it's BAD, but certainly nothing exceptional. The liner notes, well most of this is re-hashing from of old, but since they didn't get someone like Bolle involved in this project in a big way (which I think Bolle would have very much liked to have done -- but his pickiness and attention to fact and detail would've probably drove Sony nuts), I didn't again expect much. I do agree with what someone said though - unfortunately this set doesn't exactly scream "Buy Me!" to someone coming across it in their local music store. Well, I could say more about all of this, but I think I'd keep repeating myself too many times. Bottom line is that I got about what I expected, which, for most hardcore fans, falls way short of what I wanted. But, it is the best "greatest hits" package there is for BOC - a band that has unfortunately had too many of these done (and most of them done extremely poorly). And, I still will recommend this set to any prospective BOC fans as the first CD to get (unless they plan on getting the whole catalog anyway) - and hope that sales of WOTT will be enough to encourage Sony to delve deeper into the vaults, and hopefully invest a little more in this band. And, while I'm at it - I'll tell any prospective BOC fans that if you want to hear more of some of the genius that was once part of BOC, then pick up some material from the Brain Surgeons. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 2 13:24:26 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 13:24:26 -0400 Subject: Watt "Dominance and Submission" CD single out?? Message-ID: Anyone heard if the Mike Watt version of "Dominance and Submission" with Albert (and Joe?) Bouchard on guitar has been released? I asked Bolle about it, and he thought it should be out now, but hasn't heard anything further. Albert? John From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Mon Oct 2 13:01:10 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 13:01:10 -0400 Subject: BOC: WOTTmish mosh Message-ID: Only out of the lab for two days and I get back to 133 messages. According to Melne (BOC fanclub) there is no UK date scheduled yet, although it looks likely as Sony wanted the overseas fan club member's addresses too. I can only comment on the set from the view of already having all the stuff on it already, and most of what I would say has been said. A couple of things: It's great to hear Al's views. It's not very often you get a review by one of the people involved. The vocals come in for some attack tho'. Both his own and Eric's. While I know there is not much love lost betweeb Al and Eric, and we all have to have thick skin sometimes when things we love are being critised, when I first came in contact with BOC, Eric, because he was the front-man, was the face of BOC. It was not until I started getting into them more that I realised it was Al's / Buck's baby. I, personally, like Eric's vocals and view them as integral to BOC, and just one of many facets. It's NOT often you get a band with 4 (potential) lead vocalists. Nice to see someone being candid about their own work tho'. This package has obviously stirred up alot of discussion and feelings about BOC in general. All this talk of out of court settlements etc. It's OK if you are a Stone Roses or George Michael fan, the facts are out in the open. OK, it may be none of our business, but I just hope that with all these re-releases and the continuing selling of back catalogue stuff, that Al is getting his fair share of the spoils. Anyone who's cool enough to hang out and discuss things, warts and all, with his fans gets my vote. SWU/SFG: Most (hardcore) fans want this stuff. Who owns the rights to it at the moment? Who ever it is, why not lease the material to a small lable that specialises in releasing this sort of stuff. Al could remaster it for them and we could all get a copy. I only have the Arthur Comics single and would love the whole SFG album. Anyone know where I can get it? .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU Mon Oct 2 14:51:00 1995 From: irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 13:51:00 -0500 Subject: BOC: WOTT mish mosh, remastering.. In-Reply-To: <9509291757.AA44707@worldlink.com> from "albert bouchard" at Sep 29, 95 05:57:45 pm Message-ID: > The first four (from BOC) to me sound better than the vinyl. Whoever > said "no remastering" must be mixed up. In order to get these songs on this CD Okay, well, I think I chose poorly my words about no remastering. What I was lamenting was the fact that the BOC discs (WOTT or otherwise) have not been redone in the same way that Columbia has remastered all of the Aerosmith catalog. This process has also been done for Yes, the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, among others. I believe Bolle mentioned this 20-bit mastering technique in his review of WOTT recently. I'm not sure about the sampling rates for all of the Yes/Stones/Zeppelin/etc stuff, but as I understand it, the higher the sampling rate (20 bit being on the high end of things these days?) the closer digital comes to sounding like analog. And to my ear, the improvements made with the remastered Aerosmith are more significant than the improvements made from the early BOC to the WOTT versions. So I was just trying to say that the BOC catalog deserves the same treatment Aerosmith got in terms of the more rigorous, top of the line remastering, not to mention the repackaging with original graphics/notes/etc. Mirrors & RBN were very sorry reissues along these lines. -Bryan From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 2 15:04:15 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:04:15 -0400 Subject: BOC: WOTTmish mosh Message-ID: Charlie writes: OK, it may be none of our business, but I just hope that with all these re-releases and the continuing selling of back catalogue stuff, that Al is getting his fair share of the spoils. Anyone who's cool enough to hang out and discuss things, warts and all, with his fans gets my vote. I was wondering about this as well -- I imagine that due to various things, Al may or may not be getting what he is contractually owed. I definitely believe that he is probably not getting all that he truly deserves. As much as I feel that the talents of the band was spread across all the members (perhaps not equally, and perhaps not always recognized equally), it is obvious that much of the underlying foundation of the band was in the Bouchard brothers, and Albert in particular. Look at the album credits. Look at what songs BOC still performs today. Look at how much WOTT emphasizes BOC's early years. And, look at the musical talents and diversity displayed in the Brain Surgeons' material. Where would BOC have been if Albert had never been in the group? What I was really wondering was: is there any BOC album in particular who's sales might generate more royalties than others for Albert (assuming that he still gets any)? If so, then I would probably recommend THAT album to prospective BOC fans since I believe Albert deserves every penny that he can still get from his days with BOC. BOC has certainly made money on old material that Albert is responsible for. I hope I'm not fanning flames of discontent here, or suggesting that things between BOC and Albert should become worse than what's already happened. I only mean to acknowledge Albert's talent, and credit much of BOC's (mostly past, but in some cases even current) success to him. John From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Oct 2 15:54:11 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:54:11 -0400 Subject: BOC: WOTT mish mosh, remastering.. In-Reply-To: <9510021851.AA01882@hera.astr.ua.edu> from "Bryan Irby" at Oct 2, 95 01:51:00 pm Message-ID: > > > The first four (from BOC) to me sound better than the vinyl. Whoever > > said "no remastering" must be mixed up. In order to get these songs on this CD > > Okay, well, I think I chose poorly my words about no remastering. What I > was lamenting was the fact that the BOC discs (WOTT or otherwise) have not > been redone in the same way that Columbia has remastered all of the Aerosmith > catalog. This process has also been done for Yes, the Rolling Stones, Led > Zeppelin, among others. I believe Bolle mentioned this 20-bit mastering > technique in his review of WOTT recently. I'm not sure about the sampling > rates for all of the Yes/Stones/Zeppelin/etc stuff, but as I understand it, > the higher the sampling rate (20 bit being on the high end of things these > days?) the closer digital comes to sounding like analog. And to my ear, > the improvements made with the remastered Aerosmith are more significant > than the improvements made from the early BOC to the WOTT versions. > No insult meant, Bryan, but just upping the sampling rate or the bit density won't do a damn bit of good if the original source sounds like crap! Stero Review did a bit (naughty boy! No puns!) on the 20-bit gold CD's that Columbia was/is reissuing. Their finding was that the biggest improvement came from remastering the music for the CD medium from the master tapes. The 24k gold and 20-bit mastering contributes (the 24k gold is probably contributing more to profit$ than to sound) somewhat, but not as much as that lil' ol' remastering job. A little bit of sonic tweaking can help (aka Sonic Solutions or No Noise), but it must be used carefully or you can throw the baby out with the bath water! Like, getting rid of most, if not all, of the tape hiss on the first BOC... All of Yes's releases were remastered from the original tapes, but the 20-bit mastering and 24k gold marketing stuff was not used. The CD's sound great! Tangerine Dream has had a number of it's titles remastered and 20-bitted and the results were worth the price (uhhh, BTW, all of the above, with the exception of multi-CD releases, were less than $US 10.00 at Best Buys). So, I guess I'm trying to say that there dosen't seem to be a whole lot of money needing to be spent to get the remastering job done... Ideally, the BOC back-catalog deserves the re-mastering effort, along with the restoration of the original liner notes/photos. 20-bit mastering would be nice (hell, start mastering _all_ CD's with the 20-bit thingamabobby; can't cost any more to do it than normal 16-bit. And just how many of you have a 20-bit CD player, anyhoo???), but 24k gold would just raise the price. And promote the remasters! Let 'em ride along on the coat-tails of WotT! Get a "rarities" CD out of the SWU/SFG material, the GTDTW versoin of "Bucks' Boogie", the "live in '72" EP un-altered/sequenced, the B-sides of the Euro "BFY", whatever else is in the crypts! Give us fans something to buy and to enjoy (I _might_ have bought WotT if there was a cleaned-up version of LDoM on it, but there isnt...) > So I was just trying to say that the BOC catalog deserves the same treatment > Aerosmith got in terms of the more rigorous, top of the line remastering, > not to mention the repackaging with original graphics/notes/etc. > Mirrors & RBN were very sorry reissues along these lines. > > -Bryan > I think we are in agreement (or as I saw it elsewhere, "reverent agreement"). objCassette Deck: Corporation / Breed -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 2 18:29:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:29:00 PDT Subject: BOC: WOTTmish mosh Message-ID: Well has everybody had their say on WOTT yet? I am not going to make one of my mega posts but just some random comments. Die hard fans seem real depressed about this release. Why? We all knew from the beginning Sony was only doing this for a few bucks and not to promote the band; would it make sense to put out vintage SWU/SFG material under the bands name when this stuff has never been released before? Does the band currently play any of these songs? The answer my friends is NO. This set is intended for old BOC fans who have not converted to cd, or whose interest in the band has been rekindled. It is also meant for a few dozen people who are hearing the band for the first time as they criss cross the country on the night club circuit. This is who WOTT was made for. As far as the inaccuracies in the liner notes well lets say Sony took some creative license to hype the band to unkowns. Anyone who has been on this service or who bothers to read MF or the FAQ would know that most of what is contianed in the notes is incorrect. Song selection. Does anyone remember the poll run by Robert (Torgo) Sedler? Do you remember the results? Favorite songs and records were mixed, we could not garner a consensus of the forty or so BOC fans on this service. Unless it was a true box set no one is going to be happy with whats included and ommitted. I do agree with John that if this package sells to Sony's expectations Sony just may be willing to release some more. What I do not agree with is that Sony will give us the SWU/SFG stuff as the majority of the set. I think it will be another two cd set with some of the omissions and possibly four or five new songs. SWU/SFG stuff is just not going to sell to a level where Sony will realize a profit. Hopefully they can put a few of these songs on it but do not hold you breath. Finally, I too hope Al is receiving his just financial reward for his long service and serious contributions to the band. Does anyone know the total sales figures of BOC? I recently heard that AC/DC has sold over 80 million records in its career. I doubt that BOC has done this well but I would be greatly suprised if the number is less than 20 million. Well John as editor of the FAQ can you find the number for us. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 2 18:34:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:34:00 PDT Subject: BOC: WOTT mish mosh, remastering.. Message-ID: >Ideally, the BOC back-catalog deserves the re-mastering effort, along with >the restoration of the original liner notes/photos. 20-bit mastering would >be nice (hell, start mastering _all_ CD's with the 20-bit thingamabobby; >can't cost any more to do it than normal 16-bit. And just how many of you >have a 20-bit CD player, anyhoo???), but 24k gold would just raise the >price. And promote the remasters! Let 'em ride along on the coat-tails >of WotT! Get a "rarities" CD out of the SWU/SFG material, the GTDTW versoin >of "Bucks' Boogie", the "live in '72" EP un-altered/sequenced, the B-sides >of the Euro "BFY", whatever else is in the crypts! Give us fans something >to buy and to enjoy (I _might_ have bought WotT if there was a cleaned-up >version of LDoM on it, but there isnt...) Perhaps the next release, if there is one from Sony, will take advantage of the 20 bit technology. Whether there is a large amount of overhead for this or not don't look for Sony to do the rare stuff, there just isn't a market for it. Not slapping my own face, I bought Wott at first sight and I would buy the rare stuff if it was on the shelf, however there are not enough of us out here to make Sony's efforts on the rare stuff finacially viable. I had questioned this a long time ago when I wondered how do you market music thats almost thirty years old played by a band that performs in clubs and invokes a "who?" from the younger generations. AB five in the cd player recently: Caught in The Act - Grand Funk Railroad Stages - Triumph Double Trouble Live - Molly Hatchet Call of The Wild - Amboy Dukes (w/ Ted of course) Once Bitten - Great White From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Mon Oct 2 17:05:00 1995 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 17:05:00 -0400 Subject: Quasi-HW cover Message-ID: On the absolutely BRILLIANT new album _Under the Umbrella_ by Vulgar Unicorn, 7 minutes into "Thief of Clubs", they do a great jam that sounds like it was HEAVILY inspired by Void of Golden Light (i.e. The Golden Void from Palace Springs). If you are at ALL into prog, run don't walk down to your nearest Griffin/Cyclops supplier, and get this disc! ObCD: Jade Warrior - Elements: The Island Anthology David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) So storm through the barricades and raise your hands up high All of you pull down your walls, help those too scared to try Don't let them tell you it's only a dream, for never to dream is to die. Don't close your eyes. - "For Your Eyes" - ARAGON From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Oct 2 18:21:05 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 17:21:05 -0500 Subject: King Crimson tour dates Message-ID: Somebody (Bill?) requested King Crimson Tour Dates. I got these from the terrific web site "http://www.pollstar.com/pollstar/search.html" Without this site, I would have never found out that Monster Magnet and Kyuss are playing nearby on Saturday night! Band promotion is frequently quite bad in this part of Florida. Looking forward to seeing K.C. on 11/09! Captain Cloud ============================================================= Schedule for King Crimson Date City/State Venue 10/19/95 Berkeley (CA) Zellerbach Auditorium 10/20/95 Berkeley (CA) Zellerbach Auditorium 10/21/95 San Rafael (CA) Marin Vet. Auditorium 10/22/95 W. Hollywood (CA) House of Blues 10/23/95 Phoenix (AZ) Symphony Hall 10/25/95 El Paso (TX) Civic Center Theatre 10/27/95 Denver (CO) Paramount Theatre 10/28/95 Colorado Spg. (CO) Pikes Peak Centre 10/31/95 Fort Worth (TX) Will Rogers Auditorium 11/01/95 Austin (TX) Music Hall 11/02/95 Austin (TX) Music Hall 11/04/95 New Orleans (LA) House of Blues 11/05/95 New Orleans (LA) House of Blues 11/07/95 Sunrise (FL) Sunrise Music Theatre 11/08/95 St. Petersburg (FL) Mahaffey Theatre 11/09/95 Orlando (FL) Tupperware Centre 11/11/95 Atlanta (GA) Roxy Theatre 11/12/95 Atlanta (GA) Roxy Theatre 11/14/95 New York (NY) Conan O'Brien 11/15/95 Wilkes-Barre (PA) F.M. Kirby Center 11/16/95 Rochester (NY) War Mem. Auditorium 11/17/95 Springfield (MA) Paramount Theatre 11/18/95 New Haven (CT) Palace Theatre 11/20/95 New York (NY) Longacre Theatre 11/21/95 New York (NY) Longacre Theatre 11/22/95 New York (NY) Longacre Theatre 11/23/95 New York (NY) Longacre Theatre 11/24/95 New York (NY) Longacre Theatre 11/25/95 New York (NY) Longacre Theatre 11/27/95 Columbus (OH) Palace Theatre 11/28/95 Detroit (MI) State Theatre 11/29/95 Rosemont (IL) Rosemont Theatre All contents Copyright (c) 1994,1995 Promoters On-Line Listings, Inc. All Rights Reserved. We welcome your suggestions and comments! You can send them to feedback at pollstar .com . From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Mon Oct 2 18:12:50 1995 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 22:12:50 GMT Subject: Paris HW gig cancelled ? Message-ID: I've heard that the Paris - Arapaho's HW concert was cancelled (10/31) Is there others dates like, or just France is concerned ? - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Mon Oct 2 16:46:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:46:00 -0500 Subject: WOTT Message-ID: Shawn Quinn sez: -> Sorry to be so negative - but SONY is not going to get new BOC fans -> with what amounts to the third or fouth lame greatest hits CD in a -> row. Well, I for one, have not decided whether I am going to purchase WOTT or not. I live in a very backwoods area, and I hit 5 good sized record stores over the weekend just to LOOK at WOTT to see how the overall first impression packaging strikes me. I have yet to find a copy, or a store that has even heard of it. My opinion is, OK, I can understand a greatest hits package. Hell, thats what turns me onto a new band sometimes. I pick up the "Greatest" package, and if I like it, I dig a little deeper to find the "better" stuff. But the 4 "new" tunes bother me. BTBW-studio OK I can live with that. Workshop- well it's the title track and never available before live on a comercial lp, OK. But TRATB and BB live? Again? Now I'll admit these are great live tracks but c'mon, we've gfot 'em on other live albums. I would have rather seen another new live album with 4 or 5 songs not available before live even if it contained reaper, zilla, and burnin'. It's hard to say if I will pick up WOTT or not, and I've NEVER said that before about a BOC album. Just my 2 cents on the whole mess. Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Mon Oct 2 23:22:30 1995 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 20:22:30 -0700 Subject: WOTT again Message-ID: I agree with John about WOTT being a satisfactory package for fans with only a casual interest in BOC. For those who have not purchased their CDs, it pretty much covers their career (except Imaginos of course). Unfortunately for me, I am a 'die hard' fan and have been since 81' ... and I did have much higher expectations for the set. I thought for sure they couldn't screw it up again and was counting SWU and SFG material. Oh well. Disappointment with BOC and their associated management/record company(s) is becoming too familiar. What irritates me the most is inclusion of the covers - replace the covers with, say for example, an extended version of shooting shark and with just a couple un-released tunes and I would have been much more pleased. Has anyone heard from the AOL'ers on this ? Still waiting for new stuff... Shawn From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon Oct 2 20:58:33 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 20:58:33 -0400 Subject: BOC: WOTT mish mosh, remastering.. Message-ID: Jimmy Page told me himself that he was so dismayed by the shoddy job done by some record company hack on the first issues of Led Zep on CD that he became personally involved in the requisite re-mixing and re-mastering for the box sets. There's simply no comparison between the considerable amount of time, effort, and care he (or, for that matter, Aerosmith--where a qualified rep of the band--none of whom would ever claim to be on the Page's level as producers) devoted to their respective efforts and what the members of the other outift in question put into theirs. But anyway, this is getting incredibly boring: in all of these cases, don't the results pretty much speak for themselves? --DF From bfreitas at WEBB.PVT.K12.CA.US Mon Oct 2 20:34:31 1995 From: bfreitas at WEBB.PVT.K12.CA.US (Bill Freitas @ The Webb Schools) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 17:34:31 -0700 Subject: Watt "Dominance and Submission" CD single out?? Message-ID: >Anyone heard if the Mike Watt version of "Dominance and Submission" with >Albert (and Joe?) Bouchard on guitar has been released? I haven't heard it but was told it was on the "Ball-hog or Tugboat" album by Watt. (And I do mean album. I'm not sure if there was a CD release or if the CD had all the tracks of the vinyl release...) Bill. bfreitas at webb.pvt.k12.ca.us From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Tue Oct 3 05:09:58 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:09:58 +0100 Subject: BOC: WOTTmish mosh In-Reply-To: <9510021701.AA10946@phinet.sb.com> from "CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY" at Oct 2, 95 01:01:10 pm Message-ID: > SWU/SFG: Most (hardcore) fans want this stuff. Who owns the rights > to it at the moment? Who ever it is, why not lease the material > to a small lable that specialises in releasing this sort of stuff. > Al could remaster it for them and we could all get a copy. I only > have the Arthur Comics single and would love the whole SFG album. > Anyone know where I can get it? This is the sort of thing that RPM in the UK would excel at, particularly after the wonderful job that they have done with some the the Deep Purple related releases One can only wish... Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Oct 3 08:22:37 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 08:22:37 -0400 Subject: Watt "Dominance and Submission" CD single out?? Message-ID: Bill says to my post: >Anyone heard if the Mike Watt version of "Dominance and Submission" with >Albert (and Joe?) Bouchard on guitar has been released? I haven't heard it but was told it was on the "Ball-hog or Tugboat" album by Watt. (And I do mean album. I'm not sure if there was a CD release or if the CD had all the tracks of the vinyl release...) Well, I don't know whay a vinyl release would have more tracks than a CD release, but maybe so. I do know that Albert worked with Watt on the track for the album, but it was not one of the tracks selected for at least the CD, but indications were that it would later appear on a European CD single. John From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Oct 3 09:32:43 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:32:43 -0400 Subject: BOC: WOTT mish mosh, remastering.. In-Reply-To: <9510021954.AA12772@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> from "Craig Shipley" at Oct 2, 95 03:54:11 pm Message-ID: There's been plenty chatter about CD remastering lately, so I thought I'd chip in my 2p... Craig Shipley writes: > No insult meant, Bryan, but just upping the sampling rate or the bit > density won't do a damn bit of good if the original source sounds like > crap! Stero Review did a bit (naughty boy! No puns!) on the 20-bit gold > CD's that Columbia was/is reissuing. Their finding was that the biggest > improvement came from remastering the music for the CD medium from the > master tapes. The 24k gold and 20-bit mastering contributes (the 24k gold > is probably contributing more to profit$ than to sound) somewhat, but not > as much as that lil' ol' remastering job. A little bit of sonic tweaking > can help (aka Sonic Solutions or No Noise), but it must be used carefully > or you can throw the baby out with the bath water! Like, getting rid of > most, if not all, of the tape hiss on the first BOC... > Ideally, the BOC back-catalog deserves the re-mastering effort, along with > the restoration of the original liner notes/photos. 20-bit mastering would > be nice (hell, start mastering _all_ CD's with the 20-bit thingamabobby; > can't cost any more to do it than normal 16-bit. And just how many of you > have a 20-bit CD player, anyhoo???) Well, probably quite a few people now have "18 bit" CDs, but I don't know if we're up to 20 yet. Craig is right. The most significant improvement in the quality of reissues stems from the treatment of the master tapes. If your source is crap, you gwine get crap come out the other end. Remember the basic audiophile tenet: improve closest to source! Regarding "20 bit" technology, etc., well, I don't know how much this is just to impress us plebs. I'm not fancy educated or nuthin', but I do know that for the current CD format both the sample size *and* the sampling rate is fixed (16 bit and 44.1KHz respectively). So, like Craig says, don't be looking for 20 bit samples to appear on your CDs any time soon. What "20 bit" mastering is telling you is that *during the mastering process*, they work at a higher sampling resolution. When comitted to CD, however, these 20 bit samples will have to be squeezed back into a 16 bit range. Personally, I would think that it would be NORMAL to work not only in a higher resolution sample size, but also at a higher sampling RATE when remastering. (But then I'm just an information theorist at heart.) Sampling rate is just as important as sample resolution; you can have 1024 bit samples if you want, but if you don't sample often enough, you're not going to be able to accurately recreate the original signal, no matter how many bits each sample has. Which brings me back to 20 bit CDs... Recall what a CD is trying to achieve during playback: it is trying to reconstruct an analogue signal from a sampled digital representation. How well it can do this depends essentially upon a) the sampling rate, b) the sample resolution, and c) the digital-to-analogue converter. It is possible (think about it) to achieve a >16 bit *effective* resolution out of your CD player from only 16 bit samples. (This is what the ballyhoo about Bitstream is all about.) It all depends upon the accuracy of your DAC. In fact, I seem to recall that elementary sampling theory states that so long as your sampling rate is twice that of your highest frequency, you can **in theory** recreate the original signal perfectly. **In practice**, however, digital-to-analogue converters are not good enough to interpolate that well. Btw, this "gold CD" lark is a joke, right?? I presume it is touted as lowering the bit error rate (BER)? (Like the famous "green CD pens.") Or are they still pushing that old scare tactic of "the lacquer that ate my CDs..." horror story? I don't think BER is a very significant concern nowadays. I mean, the 8-to-14 and Cross-Interleaved Reed-Solomon error-correcting codes used for CD data is plenty ammo against a troublesome BER. In fact, the thing that most people forget in their praise of CD is that once the data leave the DAC, it's the quality of the *analogue* stages of the CD player that are going to govern the ultimate sound quality. (Which is a way of saying, "that's right, not all CD players sound alike.") If your CD player has cheapo analogue components, probably the degradation due to noise will do far more damage to the signal than a poor DAC will ever manage. Cheers, Paul. obHiFi: Napalm Death, _Scum_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Oct 3 14:44:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:44:00 BST-1 Subject: Watt "Dominance and Submission" CD single out?? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199510031222.IAA22023 at mbunix.mitre.org> John says: > I haven't heard it but was told it was on the "Ball-hog or Tugboat" > album by > Watt. (And I do mean album. I'm not sure if there was a CD release or > if the > CD had all the tracks of the vinyl release...) Well, I have the CD, and I think it has the same track-list as the vinyl. No "D&S", but "Piss-Bottle Man" is pretty essential! "Ooh, ooh, ooh, piss-bottle man..." > Well, I don't know whay a vinyl release would have more tracks than a > CD release, but maybe so. Oh, Hawkwind do it all the time! That's why I bought the vinyl "Area S4"! And vinyl _The Business Trip_! And will probably be suckered into buying vinyl _Alien 4_ as well! > I do know that Albert worked with Watt on > the track for the album, but it was not one of the tracks selected for > at least the CD, but indications were that it would later appear on > a European CD single. I haven't looked lately - I forgot when I was in Tower yesterday (was I losing my mind? :) - but I have been checking reasonably often and not seen it anywhere. Wasn't it also supposed to be on a 7" b-side? "E-Ticket Ride", maybe? - Andy > > John From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Oct 3 10:04:58 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:04:58 -0400 Subject: BOC:WOTTmish mosh In-Reply-To: <9509291757.AA44707@worldlink.com> from "albert bouchard" at Sep 29, 95 05:57:45 pm Message-ID: Albert Bouchard writes: > Now you have to understand that I haven't hear any of these cuts on CD > before so I have only the vinyl to compare it to. Here are some of my > impressions: > The first four (from BOC) to me sound better than the vinyl. Whoever > said "no remastering" must be mixed up. In order to get these songs on this CD > they had to be remastered. The only way they wouldn't have been is if they > were taken directly from the previously CDs and even if those were used as the > raw mixes they still would have to assemble them on some kind of mastering > computer (a Mac running Sonic Solutions or Pro Tools) and while they're at it > why not run some no noise. Well, you wouldn't use a BLACK & DECKER power sander to restore an antique Chippendale cabinet, would you? Finesse is wot you need. Seriously, though, I have heard that one of the biggest problems with the early CD reissues (and maybe some not so early) is the lack of knowledge of the available tools by those using them. NoNoise, so I'm led to believe, has been particularly abused by people who wouldn't know what the word "subtle" was if it ran up and bit them on the arse. There is a fine line between "not enough" and "too much", and not everyone knows where that line sits. I guess, like everything, you need practice and experience to get good at anything. I must admit, quite frankly, I don't know what goes on when somebody masters a CD. (Anyone care to illuminate me, via private e-mail??) But the information theorist in me tells me that any signal processing application will introduce artifacts into the data. Whether those artifacts are perceptible to humans is another matter. But the more invasive ones are going to affect the signal more. Judgment should be exercised... Btw, this is probably my ignorance talking, but I don't see why they'd have to use Sonic Solutions etc. to master pre-existing CD tracks. Can't they just use the same old data that was on the existing CDs (tweaked to include new time codes, track information, etc.). To me, using Sonic Solutions implies some kind of sonic "improvement" of the sampled data, probably because it crops up a lot in the discussion of Frank Zappa's CD reissues. Speaking of whom, there's another excellent example of where a good engineer makes all the difference. Just listen to Spencer Chrislu's *superlative* work on the FZ _Ahead of Their Time_ CD (a 4 track live recording from 1968) to hear what can be accomplished by an engineer who truly understands *both* the material *and* the technology. I guess the bottom line is I don't consider remastering to be a mechanical process (not yet, at least). Decisions have to be made. If those decisions are poor---due to lack of time, care, experience, knowledge, etc.---then the end result will be poor. I think Deborah made a good point regarding the involvement of the artist in the reissue/remastering process. Ultimately, they alone are the people who *know* what sound they're after. If they're excluded from the process, or simply don't care to be involved, then why should the engineer be able to fill in the gaps (or be bothered to)? After all, it's just another day on the job... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Ed Alleyne-Johnson, _Purple Electric Violin Concerto_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM Tue Oct 3 11:11:56 1995 From: bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 07:11:56 -0800 Subject: WOTT I think... Message-ID: Here's my thoughts about WOTT... Just picked it up. I've managed to bypass all the other BOC Best of/Greatest Hits packages. I broke down & got WOTT mainly just so I'd have some of the good old stuff on CD. Cities On Flame: I've heard this song too many times. I suppose it had to b included though. Its the definative BOC song. Albert's vocals sound fine to me... Transmaniacon MC: Glad they included this one. One of my all time favorites. Unlike Albert, I find Eric's vocal just fine on this one. Buck's Boogie: The OYFOYK version would've been better. Workshop of the Telescopes: All I can say is, yech! If they had to include this, why couldn't they have at least used the original version. Talk about bad Eric vocals... He sounds like Bill Murray's old "Bad Night Club Singer" act from SNL. Bored to be Wild: yawn.... Kick Out The Jams/We Gotta Get Out of This Place: Even though these are covers, I'm glad they put them in.. I've always enjoyed them. Who picked the songs? The band? Sony? I made my own 'Best of' tape years ago which I still listen to and only about three WOTT songs are on it... _ || \ *jbrooks at bpalace.com "San Diego's || < *PGP key available Original |_||_/ *Brokedown Palace BBS 619-596-1974/7419 Grateful BBS" From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Oct 3 12:32:14 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 12:32:14 -0400 Subject: WOTT I think... Message-ID: Just a few (I promise!) comments to Joe's WOTT review: >Who picked the songs? The band? Sony? I made my own 'Best of' tape years ago which I still listen to and only about three WOTT songs are on it... Well, the song selection IMHO is flawed mostly by what was NOT on it than by what was. But, with only 2 CDs of material, all of what one might expect wouldn't be there. As far as "best of" goes, well that's a subjective term. Bolle pointed out that WOTT may be a "greatest hits" package, but certainly not a "best of" package. As far as the live versions of Workshop, Buck's Boogie, and The Red & Black, the reason those versions are on there is because they were originally released on a promo EP (often referred to as "The Bootleg EP") back in 1972 -- and while the sound quality or perfomances of these versions may leave something to be desired (surely the original album versions were superior), they are important from a more collectible point of view. Also, I find it interesting to have a track or two that captures the band in it's very early years. John From b_pospiech at SHAMROCK.PING.DE Mon Oct 2 13:25:00 1995 From: b_pospiech at SHAMROCK.PING.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 18:25:00 +0100 Subject: HW: Space Nuptuals Message-ID: Hi Rudy > I've got a chance to get either of two videos - Space Nuptials Live This is a video from the HAWKWIND gig in HEMEL on 08.05.1992, The quality is like EDINBURGH 1982. A good one! cu Bernhard b_pospiech at shamrock.ping.de From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Oct 3 13:26:56 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:26:56 -0400 Subject: WOTT I think... Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-03 11:05:40 EDT, you write: >Cities On Flame: I've heard this song too many times. I suppose it had to b >included though. Its the definative BOC song. Albert's vocals sound fine to >me... > >Transmaniacon MC: Glad they included this one. One of my all time favorites. >Unlike Albert, I find Eric's vocal just fine on this one. > >Buck's Boogie: The OYFOYK version would've been better. > >Workshop of the Telescopes: All I can say is, yech! If they had to include >this, why couldn't they have at least used the original version. Talk about >bad Eric vocals... He sounds like Bill Murray's old "Bad Night Club Singer" >act from SNL. > >Bored to be Wild: yawn.... > >Kick Out The Jams/We Gotta Get Out of This Place: Even though these are >covers, I'm glad they put them in.. I've always enjoyed them. > > >Who picked the songs? The band? Sony? I made my own 'Best of' tape years ago >which I still listen to and only about three WOTT songs are on it... > > _ apparently Sony picked the songs from what I understand...I'm also trying to understand that this is a "Greatest Hits" package, not a "Classic Cult" collection, where the Classics collection would include hardcore stuff such as Lips In the Hills or I'm On the Lamb But I Ain't No Sheep... However, if it is a greatest hits package, there are some inconsistencies with it... * Why would you put 3 songs from the Bootleg EP on there and not the 4th (Cities on Flame)? Doesn't make sense... * why was Transmaniacon MC on here? was it included because BOC played it as an opener in concert? How do they justify including Trans MC and excluding Last Days of May, OD'd On Life and Hot Rails To Hell? * Born To Be Wild is a "B" side? so were live versions of Telepaths, Dr Music and Vengeance... * And again to repeat the omission of Imaginos tracks...the hype in the booklet but no tracks...an obvious omission being the Stephen King intro to Astronomy... I said before that I thought the track selection on here was pretty good...it still is, but I think that the CD set would've made alot more sense (conceptually anyway) to say "OK, we're going to issue a double-CD set of all the BOC singles, B sides and EPs and put them all in one collection"... w/ that in mind, the collection would've contained: Cities On Flame (From the bootleg EP) Last Days of May* OD'd On Life* Hot Rails To Hell Career of Evil (the single version) Debbie Denise (B side to Summer of Love) Tattoo Vampire (B side to Reaper) Searchin' For Celine (B side) I Love The Night Nosferatu (B side) R. U. Ready 2 Rock (B side) Your Not The One (I Was Looking For) Moon Crazy (B side) Mirrors Lonely Teardrops (B side) Divine Wind (B side) Fallen Angel Lips In The Hills (B side) Heavy Metal: The Black and Silver (B side) Feel The Thunder (B side) Dragon Lady (B side) White Flags Deadline Joan Crawford Sole Survivor Dr. Music (live B side) Flaming Telepaths (live B side) Roadhouse Blues Eyes on Fire Make Rock Not War Astronomy (with the Stephen King intro) In The Presence of Another World Magna of Illusion * the FAQ does not list these songs as singles, but they should be included on the CD set anywho... there would be some songs on there that I would skip over: Make Rock Not War is a good example, but at least this CD set would have a concept and stay within those guidelines...songs like Reaper and Zilla I would like to hear unreleased live versions of, instead of hearing the studio version of Reaper and Zilla over and over again... w/ the inclusion of the above songs, you could have a set that could easily be 4 discs... ROBO From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 3 19:04:17 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 19:04:17 BST Subject: Hawkwind: rare releases Message-ID: It's a bit late this - but I'll put up a few items that apppeared in Record Collector this month simply because they are very rare indeed and someone might think it worth while trying to chase them up in the hope that others haven't got there first! Rock of Ages: Tel. 01709 869843 Fax 01709 861 389 Robert Calvert, (book) Hype 1981 edition 15.00 pounds Vicious Sloth Collectables (Australia): Tel. 61 3 9822 4992 Fax. 61 3 9824 8716 Hawkwind, 'Kings of Speed' orig SWOL 25.00 Hawkwind, 'Silver Machine' Aus 7" orig live version 25.00 Zeus Music Corporation Ltd.,: Tel. 0171 736 1457 (also fax) Hawkwind, Silver Machine original sheet music 20.00 Hawkwind, Untorn concert tickets, Edmonton Sundown '73 30.00 Greg Vandike: Tel. 01752 773 531 (9am-9pm) Hawkwind, 'Hurry on Sundown' (Liberty 7") 100.00 Opal Butterfly, (3 x 7" singles on offer) Domino Records: Tel. 01722 411275 Fax. 01705 833818 Hawkwind, 'Church of...' (RCA LP) 15.00 Roberry Records: Tel. 01247 465457 Hawkwind, 'Doremi Fasol Latido' (LP + inner sleeve and poster) 12.00 Jack's Records: Tel. 0114 276 6356 (10am-6pm) Hawkwind, Space Ritual (LP + foldout with inner) 16.00 Lesley Irving: Tel. 01522 539018 Hawkwind, 'Sonic Attack' (LP) 10.00 Hawkwind, 'Church of Hawkwind' (LP + book) 20.00 Prices are all in pounds sterling (the pound was at $1.59 this morning I think) It's the most varied, rare and interesting Hawkwind selection I've seen in Record Collector for ages! Hope someone finds something worthwhile here. At least it'll give an indication of the kind of prices being asked for these days. jill PS: I've been told that Ande Garibaldi who has been running the mail order side of Mike Lloyd Music is moving up to C&D in Dundee. If so then this might be worth taking a note of this given the excellent service he has always provided for all Hawkwind stuff. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 3 19:08:50 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 19:08:50 BST Subject: Reviews of HW stuff wanted, WotT In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:11:00 EDT Message-ID: > either of two videos - Space Nuptials Live or Promo Collection. Since the > content of both is unknown to me, and rather than resort to a coin flip, any > comments on either? Also, came across an EP (on Emer. Broad. Sys.) version Haven't seen Space Nuptials but I like the Promo Collection! Loads of flowing lights and effects though so if you want to see Hawkwind live and normal (or as normal as it gets) then possibly get the other one. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gary at Z-CODE.COM Tue Oct 3 14:57:32 1995 From: gary at Z-CODE.COM (Gary Wingert) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:57:32 -0700 Subject: Off topic: Theremin Message-ID: I remember when a couple of years ago there was some discussion on the list about the Theremin. PAiA, a company that goes way back in do-it-yourself electronic music kits, has a brand new Theremax: http://paia.com/paia/theremax.htm Looks pretty cool! gary From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Tue Oct 3 15:11:58 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:11:58 -0500 Subject: Griffin US release Info on Brock solo + new HW Message-ID: This was Rob Godwin's answer to my query about the status of Brock's _Strange Trips..._ and the new HW album/singles (per Captain Cloud's suggestion a few days ago :-) Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:11:20 -0400 From: PYAT at aol.com To: iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Re: HW Q As far as I know we still don't have the contract yet. But both titles are on the release schedule for next month. From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Tue Oct 3 16:15:08 1995 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 16:15:08 -0400 Subject: [HW] What the heck is this??!! Message-ID: I just saw something called the Nuclear Waste Tin filed in the Sting section. Check out the lineup! Sting, Steve Hillage, Nik Turner, Mike Howlett, etc! What on earth is this thing? It was all I could do to keep from grabbing it, but it was $18. Anyone volunteer to buy it from me if I buy it and hate it? :-) David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) So storm through the barricades and raise your hands up high All of you pull down your walls, help those too scared to try Don't let them tell you it's only a dream, for never to dream is to die. Don't close your eyes. - "For Your Eyes" - ARAGON From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Tue Oct 3 16:27:07 1995 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 16:27:07 -0400 Subject: ???????????????? In-Reply-To: <951003154537_35473609@mail06.mail.aol.com> (HullyGully@aol.com) Message-ID: > From: HullyGully at aol.com > Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 15:45:37 -0400 > > I know this is going to really make me sound like an ass, but I have > subscribed to this page for a long while, reading all the post. You're right. Calling a mailing list a "page" does make you sound like an ass. :-) :-) :-) Only teasing. It's just that AOLers make such easy pickings. At least you didn't call it a "board" or "BBS", d00d. ObContentSortOf: Just pikced up _Melting Euphoria_'s "Upon Solar Winds" on Cleopatra records based on the sticker on the cover: New SPACE Rock from SF A Hybrid of HAWKWIND, THE ORB & OZRIC TENTACLES First whooshy, bubbly bits sound cool enough to recommend it. In fact it sounds a bit like my guest appearance on Carl's solo project. :-) Can't imagine any OT/HW fans not liking this. Melting Euphoria that is. David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) So storm through the barricades and raise your hands up high All of you pull down your walls, help those too scared to try Don't let them tell you it's only a dream, for never to dream is to die. Don't close your eyes. - "For Your Eyes" - ARAGON From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Oct 3 17:16:33 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 17:16:33 -0400 Subject: Watt "Dominance and Submission" CD single out?? Message-ID: What follows is the answer from the man himself (although please note, it's his "big bang theory," not the Brain Surgeons'. He did tell Albert, however, something to the effect that he really dug Eponymous and it inspired him to subsequently do his solo record. Anyway, the track I heard them laying down in the studio (the event written about in the Watt piece in Rolling Stone) was really incredible--just blistering-- and I can't imagine anyone doing anything in the mix that could make it any less so both Albert and I can't wait to hear the final product. And if any of you bassplayers out there have yet to tune into to Mr. Watt, now's the time (and at a 7" price, too!). He is a totally passionate and completely original player. A punk Jaco from Pedro. Hope you will all check this out. Pardon my redundancy, but I personally can't wait. We all need a good jolt of the real deal. So let's hope....it will be time... "7" of "e-ticket ride" b/w "the big bang theory" & "dominance and submission" out next week on columbia records. watt" From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Oct 3 17:20:48 1995 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 17:20:48 -0400 Subject: Scott Heller OFF TOPIC Message-ID: Hi Scott, If you see the Bruces in your travels, please have them call the Veteran Cosmic Rocker. He wants to book studio time and can't get a hold of them. You goin to King Crimson? Say Hi to everyone. regards, Bill Stewart From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Tue Oct 3 17:33:00 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 17:33:00 -0400 Subject: Reviews of HW stuff wante... Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>either of two videos - Space Nuptials Live or Promo Collection. Since the content of both is unknown to me, and rather than resort to a coin flip, any comments on either?<<<<<<<<<< get the promo collection! its purty damned good. i understand that the quality of space nupt. leaves a bit to be desired.... rj From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Oct 3 20:10:25 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 19:10:25 -0500 Subject: Goldmine Report: Oct 13, 1995 Message-ID: In my continuing list of Hawkstuff from the latest Goldmine issue (Oct.13, 1995), I came across the following items related to BOC-L: pg.112, Patrick Reilley (210) 521 - 4322 ======================================== HW - Sonic Attack (UK RCA LP) w/insert!, M- $15 pg.89, Micro Harmony (408) 458 - 0907 ===================================== LPs: LLG - Time Space and LLG, Restless US 89 Sld/9 CDs: HW - Space Rock From, GER $15 Magic Muscle - Gulp!, GER $15 Magic Muscle - Laughs & Thrills, GER $15 Sundial - Other Way Out, UK $15 Sundial - Return Journey, UK $15 Archetectural Metaphor - Odysseum Galacti, CAN $15 High Tide - (four titles), GER & ITA $15 each I haven't dealt with either of these places before, caveat emptor! Captain Cloud From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Oct 3 21:31:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 18:31:00 PDT Subject: Hawkwind Reviews Message-ID: A quick request from a neophyte Hawkwind fan, will the suscriber who has been posting reviews please send me a copy directly of the Live Chroniocles CD. I would greatly appreciate it. I had been contemplating jumping into the HW music scene for a few months and finally took the plunge with Live Chronicles. I can only say that it was nothing like what I expected. Now I want to hear a lot more HW. Thanks A(Buck Dharma)B Five in the Player recently Live Chronociles - Hawkwind Sail Away/Anahiem Live - Great White Dogman - King's X Endless Summer II - Gary Hoey Animal Instincts - Gary Hoey From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Oct 3 20:00:16 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 19:00:16 -0500 Subject: USA HW Newsletter: Strange Trips Message-ID: Just got my HWFB (same one Jill reported on a while back), and Brian Tawn included a special insert. The complete text is: <<<< Hello again...Talk about cutting it fine! I'd mailed the British and European newsletters and most of the overseas copies. I'd addressed the USA envelopes and was just about to add the newsletters when the mail arrived, bringing me the following information. Jim Lascko, 4485 W. 130th Street, Cleveland OH 44135, USA is to start a new North American Hawkwind newsletter (!!). It is to be called Strange Trips and has the full support of the band. Obviously, Hawkwind Feedback will still be mailed to the USA, but you can take it from me that Jim is one of the good guys, full of enthusiasm, and if you live in the USA you'd be advised to send him an sase. Best, Brian. >>>> Coincidentally the very same day, I received the latest "Tentacles of Erpland" (Ozrics fan club newsletter), and it also contained a mention of the new HW newsletter. Essentially it was just the names/addresses above, on a full-page splash. Sounds like we need to get some SASE's going to these folks. I think (more info appreciated) that Jim Lascko is/was/used to be running the American "Church of Hawkwind" in Cleveland. Never did know what that was, but it sure sounded good. Strangest, I heard they are no longer allowed to call themselves "CoH" anymore. (Could there be more than one already??? ;-) Captain Cloud From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Tue Oct 3 21:23:37 1995 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 17:23:37 -0800 Subject: Watt "Dominance and Submission" CD single out?? Message-ID: >In-Reply-To: <199510031222.IAA22023 at mbunix.mitre.org> > >John says: > >> I haven't heard it but was told it was on the "Ball-hog or Tugboat" >> album by >> Watt. (And I do mean album. I'm not sure if there was a CD release or >> if the >> CD had all the tracks of the vinyl release...) > >Well, I have the CD, and I think it has the same track-list as the vinyl. > No "D&S", but "Piss-Bottle Man" is pretty essential! "Ooh, ooh, ooh, >piss-bottle man..." > >> Well, I don't know whay a vinyl release would have more tracks than a >> CD release, but maybe so. I have the Mike Watt album on vinyl (vinyl rules!) and no mention whatever of Albert B. I thought he just played live with Watt- I mean my impression was that he isn't on the album, but played some shows. "I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the sort of person I'm preaching to." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Tue Oct 3 20:27:28 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 19:27:28 -0500 Subject: [HW] What the heck is this??!! In-Reply-To: <9510032015.AA26582@pharlap.ci.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, David B. Kuznick wrote: > I just saw something called the Nuclear Waste Tin filed in the Sting > section. Check out the lineup! Sting, Steve Hillage, Nik Turner, > Mike Howlett, etc! What on earth is this thing? It was all I could > do to keep from grabbing it, but it was $18. Anyone volunteer to buy > it from me if I buy it and hate it? :-) If it's more than one track, or at least one really big one, I'd consider it :-) Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Oct 3 23:26:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:26:00 PDT Subject: BOC/HW Directory Rough Draft Message-ID: [[ BOCHWDIR.DOC : 5447 in BOCHWDIR.DOC ]][[ BOCHWDIR.TXT : 5448 in BOCHWDIR.TXT ]] Good Morning BOC and HW fans. Attached is the rough draft of the list directory which comprises about 29 pages in MS Word format(BOCHWDIR.DOC) I have attached one copy in this format and a second in MS-DOS format, (BOCHWDIR.TXT) for those of you who do not use Word. I am still planning to condense the listing into five fields Name: Handle: Primary Band: (either HW or BOC) Age: E-mail Address: This condensed version would be in alphabetical order for easier access. Sorry for the delay but I have been working from my home over the last four weeks and do not own a home computer. Please check your information for accuracy. As this thing grew, requirments wise, there is information from the five above fields which is not reflected in all the responses. If any of this information is missing from your response please send it to me directly, I will update the listing and post the final full and condensed versions of the directory. Thank you. 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M`-C,``#8S```!P``@```V,P```````#8S```,0`5%I`!``!4:6UE0`` M`!%!9')A:6X at 4BX@0G)E=F%R9!%!9')A:6X at 4BX@0G)E=F%R9``````````` M``#0SQ'@H;$:X0`````````````````````[``,`_O\)``8````````````` -``(````!```````````` ` end boc directory > FORMAT - > Name: Tox > Handle: none > E-Mail Address: tox at wjh.harvard.edu > Primary Band: BOC originally > First Time Seen Live: 1993 > Last time Seen Live: 1993 > Favorite Album: Secret Treaties > Last Album Purchased: Blue :Oyster Cult > Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes > Comments (please be brief): Knew about BOC first, since then a serious > HW listener, very into BS, Mot:orhead, pro-Nik > Guido Vacano Age 30 Primary Band: Hawkwind First Concert Seen: Boulder, US, 1994 Last Concert Seen: Boulder, US, 1994 First Album: Sonic Attack Favourite Period: RCA years (Sonic Attack, Choose Your Masques, Church of Hawkwind) BOC ALbum: Imaginos Name: Martyn White Age: 38 Fave Band: Hawkwind First Album bought: Space Ritual in 1973 First Live Gig: Oxford Apollo, March 1984 First BOC gig: Greenville, Summer 1994 First BOC album bought: Imaginos in 1993 No Brain Surgeons albums or gigs First Nikwind Gig: Fall '94, Chapel Hill NC Brad L. Age: 32 (but I look 31 Honest! :) ) Primary Band: Led Zeppelin 1st BOC album: FOUO 1st saw BOC live: FOUO tour (was it 83 or 84??) Last saw BOC live: Jan. 1995 1st BS album: Trepanation Never seen ol' BS (too far west) HW virgin Name: John A. Swartz Handle: (none) (although I am known as the editor of the BOC FAQ) E-Mail Addresses: jswartz at mbunix.mitre.org (primary list address) John_Swartz at iegate.mitre.org (preferred address for private e-mail) Primary Band: BOC (but I'm a HUGE Brain Surgeons fan) First Time Seen Live: September, 1982 (Worcester Centrum, Worcester MA) Last Time Seen Live: July, 1995 (Hampton Beach, NH) Favorite Album: I Love 'em ALL Last Album Purchased: (soon to be) Workshop Of The Telescopes Familiar with the other band?: Not much, I don't listen to Hawkwind Comments: 1. READ THE FAQ! 2. If you haven't yet, check out The Brain Surgeons 3. I also like Aerosmith, Y&T, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Blues Bros. 4. READ THE FAQ! (oh, did I mention that already? ;-) ) 5. "Good Health To You" Born: 1/21/'64 (guess that makes me 31 as of this writing) Marital Status: Married, 1 kid (daughter) Regional Info: Greater-Boston MA area Name: Julian Christou Handle: N/A Age: 41 (22 April, 1954) E-Mail Address: christoj at plk.af.mil,christou at as.arizona.edu Primary Band: Hawkwind First Time Seen Live: Colwyn Bay, Wales, 1971 Last time Seen Live: Boulder, Colorado, 1995 Favorite Album: Hawklords/Astounding Sounds Last Album Purchased: Undisclosed Files/QS&C Box set First Album Purchased: In Search of Space Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes Name: Gary Wingert Handle: Wingo, Wazmo X. Nariz Age: (you missed this in the format) 37 E-Mail Address: gary at z-code.com, wingo at well.com Primary Band: Hawkwind 70%, BOC 30% First Time Seen Live: BOC ~1976, HW 1995 Last time Seen Live: BOC ~1979, HW 1995 Favorite Album: BOC-Secret Treaties, HW-Quark, Strangeness, and Charm Last Album Purchased: BOC-Classic Cult, HW-25 years on Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: yes - No doubt about it Geospace: San Francisco Bay Area, Left Coast, USA, NorthAmerica, TerraFirma Comments (please be brief): Amateur musician, multitrack digital recording freak, homebrewer, father of 2-year old daughter, other fave recording artists: yello, mike oldfield, pink floyd, early kansas, early REO Matt Thompson Age: 27 thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com Primary Band: BOC First Time Seen Live: Summer '85, Kingston, NH Last time Seen Live: June '95, Atlanta, GA First Album: Cultosaurus Erectus (still favorite along with ST) Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes, have two albums First BS Show: Nov. '94, Boston, MA Name: Mike Propst Age: 16 Email: Warren at bigdog.fred.net Primary Band: BOC First seen Live: Never First Album: BOC Favorite Album: Secret Treaties Last Album Purchased: Imaginos Are You familiar with HW: No Comments: Just agitated that I can't see BOC since they play in clubs that I can't even get into. I've seen a few great concerts, and I'm sure BOC'd be up there with the rest of them. Name: Endre Zsoldos Handle: none E-Mail Address: zsoldos at ogyalla.konkoly.hu Primary Band: Hawkwind First Time Seen Live: never, who comes to Hungary? Last time Seen Live: the same Favorite Album: Doremi... Last Album Purchased: Chronicle of the Black sword Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: no Comments: I'm 38, male and a lurker :-) Name: Bert Edens Handle: Chigger E-Mail Address: bedens at intellinet.com Primary Band: BOC First Time Seen Live: July 1986 Last time Seen Live: June 1995 Favorite Album: Spectres Last Album Purchased: Cult Classic Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: A little, but not much Comments (please be brief): Never got much into HW. Love the Brain Surgeons Ira Cooper Age 25 Primary Band - BOC First Time Missed Seeing BOC - Odessa, TX (1986?, Club Ninja Tour) Last Time Missed Seeing BOC - Austin, TX (Around Thanksgiving, 1992) First Time to See BOC - Are they ever coming back to Texas? Brain Surgeons Seen - Never (I don't know if I've missed seeing them or not) 1st BOC album - Agents of Fortune or Spectres? (In 1986) 1st BS album - Eponymous 1st HW album - None (But I do have several of their songs on homemade tapes) List Status - Lurker! :) Jeff Berry JB Age 28 Primary Band: Yes First Concert Seen: BOC McNichols Arena, Denver, umm, 1983? Hawkind Limelight, NYC 1995 Brain Surgeons Pyramid, NYC 1995 Nikwind Limelight, NYC 1995 Last Concert Seen: BOC Ogden Theatre, Denver 1994 Same as the first for the other 3 First Album: BOC God only knows, I don't, maybe Agents of Fortune Hawkwind X In Search of Space (I think) Others left as an exercise for the reader Favourite Album: Tyranny & Mutation (ST and BOC come close) Favourite Period: Nik, Lemmy and Calvert. 3) Re: Age Poll name: Doug Pearson age: 27 primary band: HAWKWIND first HW album: Space Ritual, Roadhawks, and Live 79 (all on the same day in fall 84 - I'd heard "Psychedelic Warlords" the night before on my college's radio station & have been a fanatic ever since) first HW show: Oct 89, San Francisco Stone first Nik show: Feb 94, Berkeley Square HW covers performed in bands: "Psychedelic Warlords", "Ejection" & "Brainstorm" - Monoshock, "Silver Machine" - Cardinal Sin, Moonweed HW cover soon to be performed in band: "25 Years" first BOC album: OYFoOYK (not until fall 92) first Brain Surgeons album: ... uh, I haven't decided yet, but will remedy the error of my ways soon ... near-BOC experience: a couple years ago, a friend of mine wanted to start a BOC cover band (so he could live out his Buck Dharma fantasies), and asked me to play keyboards/guitar ... I was dating a skinny, boyish- looking female rocker at the time, which I thought was an odd coincidence (she wasn't a poet though, and never would have consented to perform "Revenge of Vera Gemini" with us ... ). Unfortunately, said Buck wannabe moved to LA to work in the music biz before we had a chance to get our act together ... Name: Joseph Brooks Handle: Imaginos (On my BBS) E-Mail Address: jbrooks at bpalace.com Primary Band: BOC First Time Seen Live: October of 1974 Last time Seen Live: 1993 Favorite Album: Tie: Imaginos/Secret Treaties Last Album Purchased: BOC? That would be Imaginos, the very last album (CD) I bought was Phish 'A Live One' Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes Comments: Just yer typical Oysterfied, deadhead, Phish loving Blues kinda guy... --- Age: 32 (but honestly, I act 12) Band: BOC, cause they be whatever they wanna........ oh forget it. Last show: Coleman's Rome NY 1987? Mere Mortals opened Best show: Same one, It's the only one I've been 'ta First Album: Spectres, Heard 'Zilla on radio and went apedoodoo Hawk-Data: No shows or albums as of yet Dog: Siberian Husky (Raider Amadeus Cygnus RAC) Personal Hero: Dr. Clayton Forrester Shoe size: 10 half Distinguishing scars or tattoos: none Alias: Robert J Sedler Name: Ed Eichendorf Handle: Ike E-Mail Address:ike at mo.net Primary Band: BOC First Time Seen Live: 5/24/92 Last time Seen Live: 8/11/95 Favorite Album: Tyranny & Mvtation Last Album Purchased: Cult Classic Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: yes Comments :Have been a fan of both bands since the early 70's. My CD collection currently rests at 345 discs. The Brain Surgeons kick butt! Chuck Rosenberg 22 years on Primary band - At the moment I'm listening to HW more often than BOC, I'm more new to them (discovering them was like finding a treasure trove) Only time seen BOC: Nov 5, '94, Showcase Theatre, Corona, Ca. Brain Surgeons - Haven't been in my neck o' the woods yet (have Eponymous, would have Trepanation if it were available on tape or vinyl) Never seen HW or any HW spinoffs live First BOC album: Cultosaurus Erectus on vinyl for a buck, bought somewhere around late '93 (fellow Moorcock fiction fan had taped me "Black Blade") First Hawkwind album: Space Bandits (bargain-priced tape), bought no more than a year ago Dan Lindfors Age 34 Primary Band - BOC First saw Live - Stockholm June 77 Last saw Live - same :-( BS- Never seen (send me a planeticket and I'll be there) 1st album purchased - Agents of Fortune Best album - Secret Treaties BS CD - Not yet 1st HW Album - None HW or NW Live - No Comments: Confused by different pollformels... Or maybe just confused. > Name: Paul Ward Age: 29 > Handle: Assassin Sonique'me used to sign posts) > E-Mail Address: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au > Primary Band: Hawkwind > First Time Seen Live: Never (DOH!) > Last time Seen Live: See above > Favorite Album: Today ... Space Ritual First heard them: 1979 - 'Robot' First Album: Hall of the Mountain Grill > Last Album Purchased: Stasis > Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: No ron jennings (rj) rjpxr5 at aol.com (but maybe soon switching to skarsol at ix.netcom.com) prime:HAWKWIND 1st-ambler cabaret,philadelphia pa,1989 last-masquerade,atlanta ga,1995 fave album - whichever played last. last purchased-live biz,unless you count brock's solo 1st purchased - space ritual home-philadelphia,pa Bernhard Pospiech Age: 35 Primary Band: Hawkwind First Album: Live 79 (bought 1980) First HW show: Bochum, Zeche, Germany, 09.March.1982 Last HW show: Cologne, Live Music Hall, Germany, 13.November.1994 Best HW show: London, H.-Odeon, 16.May.1992 Number of HW-gigs seen: about 20 (18 in Germany and Holland, 2 in England) Favorite period: 1976 and 1989 First LZ show: Dortmund, Germany, 1980 First LZ album: LZ III Name: Duane Hoyt Handle: Duke E-Mail Address:aa5287 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu Primary Band: Started long ago as BOC, but now HW. I have liked both since 1974 First Time Seen Live: BOC: 1975, Ohio River Music Festival, Cincinatti, Oh. HW: 1974, Allen Theatre, Cleveland, Oh. Last time Seen Live: BOC: 1989, Akron Agora HW: 1995, Cleve. Agora Favorite Album: BOC: TaM HW: SR Last Album Purchased: BOC: Imaginos HW: Friday Night Rock Show Sessions Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Obviously Comments: I took the liberty of answering for both bands, cause I have liked both for so long. I like HW better though. I guess that makes me "bi" doesn't it? ( That's bi-musical for all you wise-acres) Age: 37 First Album: TaM, SR Name:Norman Beresford Age: 22 Handle: Thrax or Cloud 9 E-Mail Address:Norman at faith.ftech.co.uk Primary Band: HW First Time Seen Live:Brixton Accademy All-nighter 1991(?) Last time Seen Live:Liverpool 1994 Favorite Album:Doremi Faso Latido Last Album Purchased:The Buisness Trip Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: no Comments (please be brief):ok Name: Keith Henderson Age: 31 Handle: Keith H. (to avoid confusion with Keith F.) E-Mail Address: khenders at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Primary Band: Hawkwind First Time Seen Live: September 24, 1989 -- Toronto, ONT -- Diamond Club Last time Seen Live: April 11, 1995 -- New Haven, CT -- Toad's Place Favorite Album: 'Warrior on the Edge of Time' Last Album Purchased: 'Undisclosed Files Addendum' Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes Comments (please be brief): First HW Album Heard: Quark, Strangeness, and Charm (in 1980) First HW Album Purchased: Space Ritual Alive HW Concerts attended: 15 Other HW-family shows: Tim Blake -- Feb. 2, 1992 -- Cleveland, OH -- Gallery Cafe Nik Turner -- Oct. 2, 1994 -- Columbus, OH -- Stache's Motorhead -- numerous shows (6 or 7?) First BOC Album: Spectres First BOC concert: Spring, 1983? -- State College, PA (w/ Duke Jupiter) Last BOC concert: Mar. 17, 1995 -- Columbus, OH -- Newport BOC concerts attended: 6 The Subhuman Age: 24 (ooohh....) Band: BOC Last Show: Chicago, 1995 Best and First Show: Albuquerque, 1991 First Album: FoUO (actually, was given to me) Hawk Data: None, but willing to try! > Name: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. > Handle: N/A > E-Mail Address: iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu > Primary Band: HW > First Time Seen Live: HW Friday May 10, 1991, Ambler, PA > Last time Seen Live: NW in '94 in Lawrence, KS > Favorite Album: Warrior on the Edge of Time > Last Album Purchased: The White Zone > Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: yes > Comments (please be brief): Favorite HW era: 1971-1977, and with Moorcock Name: Jerry Guizar, Jr Age: 35 (I think) E-Mail Address: iguizar at epix.net, jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us Primary Band: Hawkwind First Time Seen Live: Never Last time Seen Live: Never Favorite Album: Space Ritual/In Search of Space (1st album one of those 2) Last Album Purchased: Electric Tepee Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes BOC Albums: Mirrors, Spectres (not sure which is 1st) Comments (please be brief): Most interesting current non-HW/BOC: Porcupine Tree, Arch. Metaphor Best Concert: Black Sabbath, Philadelphia late 70's Last Concert: Deep Purple, Hawaii 1980? Eric M. Falk (EF) Age 30 Band: BOC Last Show: New Jersey, November 1994 First Show: Asbury Park, NJ 1982 Favorite Album: Imaginos (This Week) Sebastian Welton Age: 31 Primary Band: Hawkwind First Album: Space Ritual (cost me 50p in a junk shop in England hidden among 10 T.Rex albums and a free copy of a flexidisk of the Faces from the NME. 'Twas a bargain shopping day.) First HW show: The Great Love-in, Roundhouse, London 1977 (or was it '76? Not really a pure H/W show tho.) Last HW show: Klangwerk, Aschaffenburg, Germany, 1994 Best HW show: Hammersmith Odeon, 1984 (although Nikwind comes pretty close. Number of HW-gigs seen: Only about 15. Favorite period: Calvert era and Turner solo. Name: Howard Willman Age: 35 Handle: Howard E-Mail Address: HWillman at aol.com Primary Band: BOC First Time Seen Live: Sept 2, 1978 Oakland, Calif. (2nd billing along with Ted Nugent, Journey, AC/DC and Cheap Trick). Last time Seen Live: May 5, 1991 San Francisco, Calif. (The Stone) Favorite Album: (tie) Imaginos & CE First Album Purchased: AOF Last Album Purchased: Cult Classics Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: No with HW/NW, Yes with BS. Comments (please be brief): Have seen BOC 11 times. Favorite show: Sept. 8, 1980 at The Old Waldorf in San Francisco, although the New Year's/Decade's Eve 12-31-79 show at the Cow Palace is a close second. Name: Johan Edlundh, Stockholm, Sweden Handle: \\joe (Hawkwind Joe on other sites :^) E-Mail Address: hawkjoe at eka.ericsson.se Age 32 (but looks like 42, honest!) Primary Band: HW First Time Seen Live: 91.09.29 in Stockholm, Sweden Last time Seen Live: 94.11.10 in Stockholm, Sweden Favorite Album: ? (Don't like _Early Daze_ and _Live 70/73_) First album heard: _Levitation_ when it was brand new. First Album Purchased: Don't know, but I think it was _Space Ritual_ Last Album Purchased: Got _California Brainstorm_ today. Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: 15 BOC LP, some 12" and 7" Comments: I'm a - 1) kollektor - 2) vinylist - 3) cover hunter Rob Stuckey Age 25 Primary Band: Hawkwind First Concert Seen: Bristol 87 Last Concert Seen: Oxford 94 (or Nik T @ Glastonbury 94) First Album: Levitation (heard on friend's car stereo in '86) Favourite Period: Any gig from the last 6 years Any vinyl from '76 to '83 BOC ALbum: None BOC gig: None. I did have a ticket to see them at the Bristol Colston hall in about '89, but came down with flu so didn't make it. Charlotte Brorsson epkchb at kaepk.ericsson.se Age 29 Primary Band - BOC Never seen them live (have they ever been to Sweden??) First album purchased - ETL Favourite album - FoUO 1:st Brain Surgeons album - Eponymous (traded it for a Swedish CD from a guy in Kansas) Hawkwind - never heard or seen them... Heard BOC for the first time in 1982 when I borrowed some records from a friend, AoF was one of them. Since then BOC have been my favourites... Name- Keith Frazier Age- 35 Location - Central Illinois, US Primary Band-Hawkwind First concert- Chicago 95 Last concert- Boulder 95 First Nikwind Concert- Chicago 94 First Album- IN Search of Space Favorite Album- Warrior on the edge First BOC Concert- Bloomington, Indiana 75 Last BOC Concert- Danville, IL. 93 Favorite BOC Album- Spectres Name: Ira Cooper Handle: (My mail server doesn't let me have a handle, but it would be Martian Land Lizard) E-Mail Address: cic8180 at tam2000.tamu.edu Location: College Station, TX Primary Band: BOC First Time Seen Live: Never Favorite Albums: Secret Treaties/Imaginos/Tryanny and Mutation Last Album Purchased: Live 1976 Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes Vince LeGrand Age: 41 Primary Band: Hawkwind First Album: In Search of Space First HW show: Boston, MA (1999 Party tour with Man) Last HW show: Bottom Line, NYC (early 80's?) First BOC album: Blue Oyster Cult First BOC show: Schaefer Music Festival, Central Park, NYC (1973) Last BOC show: Academy of Music, NYC on New Years Eve 73/74 (also on that bill was Kiss, Teen Age Lust, and Iggy and the Stooges) Henrik Hallgren E-mail 100522.44 at compuserve.com Age: 36 (already grey hair, unfortunately). Primary band: Hawkwind plus relations. First album: Hall of the mountain grill. Last album purchased: Strange trips... First HW-show: Barowiak, Uppsala Sweden 30/9-91. Last HW-show: Gino. Stockholm Sweden 10/11-94. First encounter: 1974, quite a long time ! Favorite period: 1969 -1995 (so far) :-)) Best Lineup: Current. Worst lineup: 80's( Nik turner comeback ). Dave Berry Age 34 Primary Band: Hawkwind First seen: Hawklords tour, Bristol Last seen: London 1993 First album: (Probably) Hall Of The Mountain Grill Favourite periods: Calvert era, 1988 -> 1993 Nikwind gig: None First ICU gig: Camden Roundhouse (or possibly Bristol Tiffany's) Last ICU gig: 1983 National CND demo in London (I think) BOC album: Fire of Unknown Origin BOC gig: None. BS: Not yet, though I intend to get myself Trepanated. Name: Peter Sondergeld Handle: E-Mail Address: p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au Age: 31 Primary Band: BOC First Time Seen Live: Being geographically challenged, never :-( Last time Seen Live: Favorite Album: BOC First album heard: AoF First Album Purchased: AoF Last Album Purchased: Imaginos Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: No Comments: Name: Chip Hart Handle: - E-Mail Address: chip at pcc.com Primary Band: BOC First Time Seen Live: Feb. 12, 1986, Burlington, VT Last time Seen Live: Well, the Brain Surgeons-8/25/95 Favorite Album: Spectres Last Album Purchased: _Trepanation_, or _Cult Classics_ if that doesn't count Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Sure am. Comments (please be brief): Location: (Where do you live): Vermont, USA Name : Robert Welch E-Mail Address: rbwelch at netcom.com Primary Band: I joined the list because I love them both. BOC Section: First Time Seen Live: 1974 or '75 in Des Moines Last Time Seen Live: Oct. 1994 in San Francisco Number of times seen: 5 Favorite Album: Oh, my. Probably ST. First Album Purchased: ST Last Album Purchased: Imaginos Hawkwind Section: First Time Seen Live: April 25, 1995 in San Francisco Last Time Seen Live: same as above Favorite Album: (at the moment): Palace Springs First Album Purchased: Space Ritual (from a cutout bin in 1975(?)) Last Album Purchased: Space Bandits Comments: BOC has been a continuing interest over the years. Hawkwind was big for me till '76 (since then I didn't buy any new stuff, but kept playing the stuff I had), and interest was strongly rekindled when I came upon the BOC-l list. Name: David Jones Handle: - E-Mail Address: david at mastmoor.demon.co.uk Age : 34 Primary Band: Hawkwind First Time Seen Live: 15.10.82 Hitchin Regal Last time Seen Live: 14.05.92 Sheffield University Favorite Album: Space Ritual First Album Purchased: Sonic Attack (!) Last Album Purchased: Business Trip Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes - Saw BOC live in Leeds 1979-80 (I think) Comments (please be brief): Location: (Where do you live): Derbyshire UK Derrick C Chilton Wolverhampton (UK) Age 28 Primary Band: Hawkwind First seen: Chronicle of the Black Sword Tour Last seen: Wolverhampton 1994 First album: Hall of the Mountain Grill Favourite periods: Space Ritual/Xenon Codex/Chronicle eras BOC album: None as yet BOC gig: None. Others : Uriah Heep, Sabbath, Dio, Manowar etc... Age: 30 Name:olivier Boigey Handle: E-Mail Address:o.boigey at techlink.fr Primary Band:Hawkwind & relatives First Time Seen Live:Paris - Elyse Monmartre-1993 Last time Seen Live:Ris Orangis-Le Plan-1994 Favorite Album:This is HW do not panic Last Album Purchased:White Zone Are You Familiar with the Other Band?:More or less Comments:What does mean handle in this input form? Location: France --- OffRoad 1.0 unregistered Age: 38 Name: Charlie Grant Handle: Charles the Grinning Boy E-Mail Address: grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com Primary Band: BOC First Time Seen Live: 23rd November 1975 Last time Seen Live: 15th March 1989 (8th time) Favorite Album: Secret Treaties Last Album Purchased: On Flame With Rock and Roll (just to complete the set!) Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes (up to approx 1977) Location: Worthing, West Sussex (UK) Comments: I want to see them again!!!! I have seen HW several times, first time July 26, 1972 and have a few albums up to Roadhawks. name (irl): andrew fergus wilson (ak): yuri gagarin (and variations) age: 25 primo band0: hawkwind primo lp: (eponymous) or 'hall of the mountain grill' (cant remember) first live experience: glastonbury '90 last live exp: brixton '92 (? i think) most recntly poorchased lp: out & intake fave line-up: well any really - not too fussy boc awareness: low boc lp: aof (once had first & etl but they became differently situated) area: south london (se5: camberwell) but soon derby (erk! i gout a jobe) comments: MAD JUNGLE SOUNDS AT CARNIVAL YESTERDAY!! SKYLINE SOUND SYSTEM: NUFF CRAZINESS!!! Name: Scott Heller Age: 32 Primary band: Hawkwind FIrst HW show: San Francisco 10/89 Last HW show: New Haven Ct 4/95 Number of times seen: 5 First BOC show: 3/93 San Francisco Last BOC show: Providence RI 1/95 First HW lp: Chronicle of the Black Sword First BOC lp: Onyour Feet or on Yoru Knees Home: Somerville, MA Ocupation: Research Fellow in Medicine, Harvard Med School (Did not count the BS (2) or Nikwind (2) shows. Fave HW lp: Warrior Fave BOClp: On your Feet or On your Knees age; 41 1st hw gig: 1973 Academy of Music NYC last gig: Toads Place New Haven CT USA 1995 best album: SR best era: all no. of gigs seen: about 20 last album purchased: wz regards Bill Stewart Name: Paul Ward > Handle: Assassin Sonique' > E-Mail Address: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au > Primary Band: Hawkwind > First Time Seen Live: Never (Doh!) My raft's not finished yet! > Last time Seen Live: Doh! > Favorite Album: SR or Palace Springs (today) > Last Album Purchased: Stasis > Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Nup > Comments (please be brief): Been into the Hawks since '79 when I heard 'Robot' .... life has never since been the same! > Location: Melbourne Australia Damon C. Capehart Richardson, TX (a suburb of Dallas, you figure) Age: I'll be 22 on Sept 12! :) Primary Band: Hawkwind First/Last seen: Never (the assholes despise Texas. Funny... NikWind, the Ozrics, and every other prog band known to mankind absolutely *love* Texas. WHAT'S THE FREAKIN' DEAL?!?) First album: HotMG (on a whim, after Nikshow #1) Most Recent Purchase: Quark single (accidentally by mail, I thought I was getting a non-box-set Griffin release) Fave Albums: Warrior, *Live* Chronicles BOC albums: nun BOC live: nun Other Bands/Artists: Art of Noise, Banco de Gaia, Belew, *Bjork, Bowie, Cars, *Chicago, Phil Collins, *Dead Can Dance, Eat Static, Earth To Infinity, ELP, Eno, Fripp, P. Gabriel, *Genesis, Gong, *Steve Hillage, Jam & Spoon, *Jethro Tull, *King Crimson, Marillion, Sarah McLachlan, Moody Blues, the Orb, W.Orbit, Orbital, *Ozrics, Alan Parsons Project, Pink Floyd, Pressurehed, Queen, Rush, Saga, Seal, Soft Machine, Stone Roses, *Supertramp, *David Sylvian, Talking Heads, *Tangerine Dream, *Tears For Fears, This Mortal Coil, *Nik Turner, *Van der Graaf Generator, *Vangelis, Rick Wakeman, Roger Waters, *Yes. * = faves in particular Name: Allen B. Ruch >Handle: The Great Quail >E-Mail Address: TheQuail at cthulhu.microserve.com >Primary Band: Hawkwind >First Time Seen Live: Only a few years ago - Ambler Cafe in Philadelphia >Last time Seen Live: Last tour in New York City at the Limelight >Favorite Album: All time? Well that would be either David Bowie's "Scary Monsters" or Rush's "Hemispheres." My favorite HW album is "Quark, Strangeness and Charm." >Last Album Purchased: Robyn Hitchcock's "The Kershew Sessions;" last HW album was dave brock's "Strange Trips" >Are You Familiar with the Other Band? Yes >Comments (please be brief): Aluminum foil over your head really does not work, give it up, we know. . . . >Location: (Where do you live) Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, which is right between Gettysburg and Three Mile Island! Name: - H. Ric Hedges Handle: (other than real name used to sign posts) - None E-Mail Address: - Rocker22 at aol.com Primary Band: (This should be HW or BOC love the Surgeons and NW but the title is BOC/HW) - BOC First Time Seen Live: - 1976 (?) Last time Seen Live: - 1995 Favorite Album: - Cultosaurus Erectus First Album Heard: - BOC right after it was released. Last Album Purchased: - Both BS CD's (although they're taking the "allow 6 weeks for delivery" seriously! (Otherwise, Cult Classics, although in 30 days, I would say "Workshop Of The Telescopes") Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: (HW fans do you know about BOC etc, lets make it yes or no for this field) - Only what I've read here. Comments (please be brief): - I automatically delete HW posts without reading them. Location: (Where do you live) - Tulsa, OK R. Oh, yeah, age 43. Name: Chuck Johnson Handle: Captain Cloud E-Mail Address: cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com Age: 30 Primary Band: HW First Time Seen Live: Atlanta 1995 Last time Seen Live: same Favorite Album: Warrior on the Edge of Time First Album Purchased: Space Ritual Last Album Purchased: Anubian Lights "The Eternal Sky" Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: yes Comments: Space Rock is being reborn, 20 years after HW invented it. Location: Central Florida I have been collecting HW for 10 years. Have 30+LPs, 70+CDs, 150+tapes, 30+VHS, many booklets/pamphlets/Hawkfans etc. Also a big collector of Pink Floyd (250+tapes). Huge fan of all music; will go without eating in order to buy a new CD that I "read a good review of". Name: - H. Ric Hedges Handle: (other than real name used to sign posts) - None E-Mail Address: - Rocker22 at aol.com Primary Band: (This should be HW or BOC love the Surgeons and NW but the title is BOC/HW) - BOC First Time Seen Live: - 1976 (?) Last time Seen Live: - 1995 Favorite Album: - Cultosaurus Erectus First Album Heard: - BOC right after it was released. Last Album Purchased: - Both BS CD's (although they're taking the "allow 6 weeks for delivery" seriously! (Otherwise, Cult Classics, although in 30 days, I would say "Workshop Of The Telescopes") Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: (HW fans do you know about BOC etc, lets make it yes or no for this field) - Only what I've read here. Comments (please be brief): - I automatically delete HW posts without reading them. Location: (Where do you live) - Tulsa, OK R. Oh, yeah, age 43. Name: Allen B. Ruch >Handle: The Great Quail >E-Mail Address: TheQuail at cthulhu.microserve.com >Primary Band: Hawkwind >First Time Seen Live: Only a few years ago - Ambler Cafe in Philadelphia >Last time Seen Live: Last tour in New York City at the Limelight >Favorite Album: All time? Well that would be either David Bowie's "Scary Monsters" or Rush's "Hemispheres." My favorite HW album is "Quark, Strangeness and Charm." >Last Album Purchased: Robyn Hitchcock's "The Kershew Sessions;" last HW album was dave brock's "Strange Trips" >Are You Familiar with the Other Band? Yes >Comments (please be brief): Aluminum foil over your head really does not work, give it up, we know. . . . >Location: (Where do you live) Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, which is right between Gettysburg and Three Mile Island! Name: Mark Joslin Handle: mjos E-Mail: mjos at mail.cpbx.net Age: 34 Primary Band: BOC First Time:1977 Most Recent:8/95 (Brickyard Festival) Favorite Album:On Your Feet Last Purchase: Cult Classic HW: Not familiar with them Location: Columbus,Indiana Name: Doug Pearson Handle: Ceres (records) E-Mail Address: ceres at sirius.com Primary Band: HAWKWIND First Time Seen Live: oct 89 San Francisco Stone Last time Seen Live: april 95 Slim's (SF) Favorite Album: Space Ritual First Song Heard: "Psychedelic Warlords" oct 84 (_Hall of the Mountain Grill_) First Album Purchased: _Space Ritual_, _Roadhawks_ & _Live 79_ all at the same store, the day after I heard "Psychedelic Warlords" on my college's radio station Last Album Purchased: _The Business Trip_ Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: yes, I love early BOC & will someday get around to checking out _Imaginos_ & the Brain Surgeons Location: San Francisco Age:27 Name: Kevin Rubin Handles: Gnome, 3999RK60 RU5M7I, Satan, Shorty (closely related to Gnome) Email: gnome at teleport.com Age: 26.0603+ Came to BOC-L for: Hawkwind, got hardcore into BOC since then. First HW CD: Palace Springs Last HW CD: BBC Radio 1 Live in Concert First BOC tape: Fire of Unknown Origin Last BOC CD: Secret Treaties (actually, FoUO (finally on CD)) First BS CD: Eponymous Last BS CD: Trepanation Next BS CD: ?? (any one that comes next) Age: 35 Name: Terry Poot Handle: D-Rider on BBSes that use handles, IITBOTFTBD on Hot Wired cuz D-Rider was aready taken! E-Mail Address: tp at jdt.com Primary Band: Hawkwind HW Seen Live: never (*sob*) BOC seen live: 4-5 times between 78 and 83 in Dallas. Favorite Album: HW: Varies. Currently Electric Tepee, I guess. BOC: Also varies. Currently Imaginos. First HW album: Heckifino, probably HOTMG, Quark, or ISOS. First BOC album: AOF Last Album Purchased: Electric Tepee (HW), TRBN (BOC) Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yep, seen 'em 4-5 times, have most albums. Comments: Haven't seen or heard Brain Surgeons. Haven't seen NikWind and don't want to. Like most HW, but the Calvert/Nik stuff less (gross overgeneralization, of course). Like 1-4 cuts from the average BOC album, but like those very much. Also into '70s metal, prog rock, energetic jazz rock, misc other things. Location: Manhattan, Kansas, USA Name: Alan Seibert Age: 25 E-Mail Address: alanseibert at delphi.com Primary Band: Hawkwind First Time Seen Live: Nikwind - 2/94, Hawkwind - 4/7/95, BOC - 6/30/91 Last time Seen Live: Nik - 7/20/95, others are same as first Favorite Album: Hawkwind - Doremi, BOC - Cultosaurus Erectus First Album Purchased - Hall of the Mountain Grill (25 cents at a flea market!) Last Album Purchased: White Zone, Anubian Nights Favorite Period: The 70's! Location: Cuyahoga Falls, OH (Akron basically) Name: Thomas Nelson Handle: The Gumby Man Age: 30 (210 dog years) E-Mail Address: gumby at primenet.com Primary Band: BOC First Time Seen Live: 1988, Oakland, CA Last time Seen Live: Same Favorite Album: Spectres Last Album Purchased: Bad Channels Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: no, but want to try Comments (please be brief): Accompanied in life by Shelanda (Wife) and Whitney the Wonder Dog Location: (Where do you live): San Bernardino, CA (In the Shadow of California!!!) Name: Stephen Lindsey Age: 31 Handle: Steve L (in deference to Steve Swann, and because I certainly don't want to get blamed for everything) E-Mail Address:stephen at system9.unisys.com Primary Band: HW First Time Seen Live: Oxford '82 Last time Seen Live: St Catherines '95 Favorite Album: SPACE RITUAL Last Album Purchased: White Zone Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes but not a big fan Comments (please be brief): Will have to move to bigger house if Hawkwind keep releasing albums. Location: (Where do you live) Toronto (but ex-pat Brit) Name: Jason O'Broin > Age: 24 > Handle: None > E-Mail Address: jobroin at madge.com > Primary Band: BOC > First Time Seen Live: Never > Last time Seen Live: Still never > Favorite Album: Imaginos/Secret Treaties/Tyranny and Mutation > Last Album Purchased: BOC (finally found it on CD) > Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes, but hate them > Comments (please be brief): I wish BOC or BS would do a UK tour > Location: (Where do you live) Chesham (near London), UK Name: John McIntyre Handle: (other than real name used to sign posts) Wolf E-Mail Address: mcintyre at pa.msu.edu Primary Band: Hawkwind First Time Seen Live: HW only time live was Detroit 1990 (or was it 1991) first BOC show was Detroit hmm, not sure of year but they were opening for Lou Reed on his Transformer tour, maybe 1972? 1971? PS I was at the 1976 show that's the video (-8 Last time Seen Live: BOC a few years ago in Lansing Favorite Album: Hawkwind _Hall Of The Mountain Grill_ BOC _Secret Treaties_ Last Album Purchased: Hawkwind _White Zone_ (if that doesn't count, then the Griffin _Quark_ box BOC _Imaginos_ Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: you might say that (- 8 Comments (please be brief): first Hawkwind album was _In Search Of Space_, the record store had it tagged "Space rock ala Pink Floyd", they weren't off by much (-8 first BOC album was the first one Location: (Where do you live) Lansing MI United States Name: Maxine Wesley Age: 32 Handle: With Care E-Mail Address: mxw at dmu.ac.uk Primary Band: Hawkwind First Time Seen Live: HW Leicester 1977/8 (poor memory!) BOC - Leicester 1977? (ditto) Last time Seen Live: HW Derby Bike Fest July 1995 Best Gig - albeit short was HW headlining the Anglia for Africa benefit 1985 First Album: Hawklords - 25 years on Favorite Album: (Today!) - Choose Your Masques Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes Comments (please be brief): oof!? Riordan Real? Name: Phillip A Jaeger Age: 30 and 8 monthes Primary Band: B=F6C =46irst Album: Secret Treaties ('79) =46irst Saw: Dec. '89, Austin,Tx Last Seen: March '94, Austin, Tx Total Shows: 6 > Name: Manuel Alzaga, Jr. (31) & Jean Delacour (41) > Handle: None > E-Mail Address:delacour at unm.edu > Primary Band: Blue Oyster Cult & Black Sabbath!!!! > First Time Seen Live: Aug 5th, 1979 Jack Murphy Stadium, San Diego, CA > Last time Seen Live: Sep 10th, 1994 Coach House, San Juan, CA > Favorite Album: Either Secret Treaties or Spectres. > Last Album Purchased: BOC Reaper...Best of (German import). > Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Whose Hawkwind?? > Comments (please be brief): > Jean calls me a nerd all the time because I am always collecting, listening to and arranging BOC live tapes/photos by chronological order. But hey, it was her idea to see them twice in CA. I'll buy her a pocket protector for X-Mas!!!!!! Name:dave cohen > Handle: lapis, lapiskickkennedy > E-Mail Address:lapis at pobox.upenn.edu > Primary Band: HW > First Time Seen Live:nikwind at nicks, philly july '95 > Last time Seen Live:see above > Favorite Album:WatEoT > Last Album Purchased:box set of QS&C > Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: yes > Comments (please be brief):interested in HW via MM (moorcock, not monster magnet) > Location: philadelphia > Name: Carl Edlund Anderson Handle: None. E-Mail Address: canders at wjh.harvard.edu Primary Band: None! First Times Seen Live: Hawkwind April 1995; BOC November 1993; Brain Surgeons November 1994; Nikwind January 1994. Last Times Seen Live: Hawkwind April 1995; BOC August 1994; Brain Surgeons August 1995; Nikwind July 1995. Favorite Albums: Hawkwind _Palace Springs_/_Space Ritual_/_Hall of the Mountain Grill_; BOC _Imaginos_/_Secret Treaties_; Brain Surgeons [oooh! not sure yet!]; Nikwind [err, not really sure which neo-Nik albums count as Nikwind!] Last Albums Purchased: Hawkwind _QS&C_ [Griffin version]; BOC _Cult Classic_; Brain Surgeons _Trepanation_; Nikwind, well, maybe _Anubian Lights_, otherwise _Space Ritual 1994_. Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yup! All of 'em ... :) Comments: Discovered BOC-L for a friend who was into BOC. They got me into BOC, I joined the list, got into Hawkwind as well, and life has never been the same since, but I've heard _lots_ of cool music! Besides metal/hard rock and weird psychedelia I'm into English, Celtic, and Scandinavian folk and folk-rock. I play guitar and bass (among other things) and have a degree in Folklore & Mythology (gods help me! ;) Age: 23 (Sept 22 1971) >Name: Shawn Quinn >Handle: squinn >Age: 30 >E-Mail Address:squinn at digital.net >Primary Band: BOC >First Time Seen Live: 1983 Elmira, NY >Last time Seen Live: November, 1994, Orlando, FL >Favorite Album: Imaginos/Secret Treaties (Tie) >Last Album Purchased: Into the Crypts of the Rays >Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes >Comments (please be brief): One positive about the current state of the band >is that you can often talk to band members before or after their club concerts. >Location: (Where do you live): Central Florida > Name: Brian Halligan Age: 20 Handle: None E-Mail Address: Halligbt at bigvax.alfred.edu Primary Band: BOC First Time Seen Live: In a dream after buying On Your Feet Last time Seen Live: I've never actually seen them (yet!) First Album: BOC: AOF/Spectres cassette HW: Hall of the Mountain Grill Favorite Album: BOC: Spectres HW: Levitation Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes Comments (please be brief): I had never heard of Hawkwind when I joined the list, but I have since bought 6 CDs and my collection is steadily growing. I'm looking forward to the resurgence of BOC onto the new music scene. Name: Niko Makila (with a-umlauts actually) Age: 27 E-mail: Niko.Makila at csc.fi Primary Band: varies Seen Live: NEVER! First Album: BOC: BOC, HW: Church of Hawkwind Favorite Album: BOC: Tyranny and Mutation, HW: Space Ritual Rob "ROBODUDE" Maerz born 2/23/70 ss # 666-69-2112 saw BOC for first time in 1982 (City Island, Harrisburg, PA) and last time at Infinity Nite Club in Harrisburg last Saturday... 1st BOC album: Blue Oyster Cult Last BOC album: Imaginos Hawkwind has some good tunes, but I can't tolerate them too much... personal stuff: plays a Fender Strat, uses a Genson Micro 486 dx2/66, poet, youngest of 4 children, and a very distant relative of some dude by the name of Mozart... Name: Keith Barton DOB: 19/9/69 Locattion: Huddersfield, UK Handle: None that I know of! E-Mail Address: K_Barton at eng.hud.ac.uk Primary Band: HW First Time Seen Live: Stonehenge '84 Last time Seen Live: Bradford '92 (or was it '93?) Favorite Album: I like them all! Last Album Purchased: Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: No Comments (please be brief): Saw Huw Lloyd Langton playing an impromptu HW set in my local pub. He had nowhere to stay so he crashed at my house. Name: Stuart Hungerford Age: 34 Handle: None, but photo available for FTP if you like E-Mail Address: stuart.hungerford at dit.csiro.au Primary Band: Too many to mention although Hawkwind is right up there... First Time Seen Live: Sob..Never! Last time Seen Live: Ditto Favorite Album: Quark, Strangeness and Charm Last Album Purchased: Live Chronicles Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Just a little Comments (please be brief): Was introduced to HW in late 1978 by hearing Do Re Mi, Warrior, and Astounding Sounds etc in a one week period. Never really recovered from that. Bought and loved PXR5, QS&C and 25 Years On sometime in 1979 or 1980. I've never seen them live (more sobs) but I was the first person to join the list when it was set up by Steve Swann. I owe my interest in Spandex jumpsuits and snakeskin boots to him ;-) Name : Jason Gool Age : 34 Handle : None E-Mail Address : etljegl at etlxdmx.ericsson.se Primary Band : BOC Only Time Seen Live : 14th of Feb, 1984 Favorite Album : Cultosaurus Erectus Last Album Purchased: Trepanation (when it arrives) Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes First Time Seen Live : 29th of Nov, 1984 Last Time Seen Live : 25th of Nov, 1993 Favorite Album : WotEoT Location : Brighton, UK (ex-pat Cornish (well it means alot to me :-)) Name: David Hardman Age: 33 Handle: None E-Mail Address: dh2 at bes.leeds.ac.uk Primary Band: BOC First Time Seen Live: 1979, Hammersmith Odeon, London (Mirrors tour) Last time Seen Live: 1989, Hammersmith Odeon, London (Imaginos tour) No. Times Seen Live: 7 Best live concert: Hammersmith Odeon, circa 1984, Revolution by Night tour First album purchased:Secret Treaties HW: Live 1979 Favorite Album: BOC: Secret Treaties HW: QS&C Last Purchase: Live 1976 video Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes Name: Neil Shilladay Age: 26 Handle: None E-Mail Address: shillada at gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com Primary Band: Hawkwind First Time Seen Live: April 1988, Liverpool Empire Last time Seen Live: August 1992, Brixton all - nigter No. Times Seen Live: er...about 8 Best live concert: Brixton 1991 all nighter (with Gong) First album purchased: er..Live Chronicles Favorite Album: Space Ritual Last Purchase: Atomhenge - the Calvert years Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: trying to be ! Re Directory: here's mine: Name: Jill Strobridge Age: XXXX {pass} Handle: jill E-Mail Address: J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk Primary Band: Hawkwind (and Relations) First Time Seen Live: Edinburgh, The Usher Hall, 198- (something) Last time Seen Live: Derby R & B Bike Show, Pentrich July 29th 1995 Best Gig: Truro, 17 April 1994. What a wonderful venue!! What a godawful place to get to 8-( First Album heard: Hawkwind (in the year of its release) First Album bought: Warrior On The Edge of Time Favorite Album: In Search of Space Last album purchased: Nik Turner "Anubian Lights" and Simon House "Yassasim" {joint purchase} Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: I've listened to 2 albums.... Comments (please be brief): "Future Generations Are Relying On Us" Name: Mark Jeffers Age: 27 Handle: Nolan Voyd E-Mail Address: stargaze at hevanet.com Primary Band: BOC First Time Seen Live: 1987, Country Club, Reseda, CA (On Tour Forever tour) Last time Seen Live: 1993, Roseland, Portland, OR (On Tour Forever tour) No. Times Seen Live: 4 Best live concert: 1989, The Palace, Hollywood, CA (On Tour Forever tour) First album purchased: FoUO Favorite Album: AoF Last Purchase: None Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: No Name: Frank Weil Age: 34 Handle: E-Mail Address: frankw at comm.mot.com Primary Band: Hawkwind First Time Seen HW Live: In Chicago on US tour before the last one ('89?) Last Time Seen HW Live: '95 US tour in Chicago (Park West) Favorite HW Album: HotMG / WotEoT (tie) First HW Album Purchased: Hall of the Mountain Grill Last HW Album Purchased: Anubian Lights First Time Seen BOC Live: At Purdue in the early '80's (first date of tour) Last time Seen BOC Live: In Chicago in '94(?) Favorite BOC Album: Spectres First BOC Album Purchased: Spectres Last BOC Album Purchased: Imaginos Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes Comments (please be brief): >Name: Steve Phillips >Age: 29 >Handle: Dr. Zaius >E-Mail Address: zaius at teleport.com >Primary Band: BOC >First Time Seen Live: 1983 (Revolution By Night) >Last time Seen Live: 1994, Roseland, Portland, OR (On Tour Forever tour) >No. Times Seen Live: 5 >Best live concert: 1987 @ Harpo's (Detroit, MI) >First album purchased: FoUO >Favorite Album: Cultosaurus Erectus >Last Purchase: Imaginos >Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Led Zeppelin "I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the sort of person I'm preaching to." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs Name: L. Sade Smagola Handle: Witch Doktressa TBA E-Mail Address: he360 OR gk450 at cleveland.freenet.edu (use gk450 for direct mail) Hometown: Rock'n'Roll Capitol ov the World, Cleveland OH :) Age: a well-preserved 36 Primary Band: in terms ov this list, Hawkwind. First Time Seen Live: fall 1989? Cleveland Phantasy Theater Last time Seen Live: spring 1995 Cleveland Agora Favorite Album: ISoS, Palace Springs Last Album Purchased: HotMG Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: OH yeah - got the T&M cover painted on back ov my leather. But i kinda lost interest after AoF; Imaginos brought me back to the fold.. Comments (please be brief): mostly into swirly droney music, especially if it sounds better dressed in black ;) Or else stuff that sounds like yr modem connecting. So why am i here? The coffee! That, and the fact that every topic in the world will be covered on BOC-l sooner or later.. Name: John Cartledge Age : 32 Handle: E-Mail Address: cs0jca at isis.sunderland.ac.uk Primary Band: HW First Time Seen Live: HW : 1981, Sonic Attack Tour, Newcastle City Hall : BOC : 1983, Rev By Night Tour, Newcastle City Hall Last time Seen Live: HW : 1992, All Dayer, Kilburn National Ballroom BOC : 1988, Imaginos Tour, Newcastle City Hall No Times Seen : HW : 15 BOC : 2 Favorite Album: HW : Space Ritual BOC : OYFOOYK Last Album Purchased: HW : 25 Years On/Dave Brock - Strange Trips BOC : Rock & Roll Reapers (Bootleg) Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes Comments (please be brief): Love both bands, but HW shade it. Location: (Where do you live) : Sunderland, UK Name: Martyn Lawrence Age:34 Handle:Marty Reside:Melbourne Australia E-Mail Address:martynl at fujitsu.com.au Primary Band: Hawkwind First Time Seen Live: Southampton Gaumont October 1977 Last time Seen Live: Southampton University april 1992 Best Gigs: Lyseum London July 1980/Southampton Gaumont 1979 First Album heard: Quark Strangeness & Charm First Album bought: Quark Strangeness & Charm/Space Ritual Favorite Album:QS&C/Palace Springs Last album purchased: Psychadelic Warriors-White Zone Are You Familiar with the Other Band?:yes Times seen Hawkwind:44 Times seen BOC:1 Most Memorable HW Moment:Joining in with the Hawklords Lineup against the roadcrew using indoor firework things (snapits ?) in the foyer at Reading Hexagon,and trying to have a conversation with Calvert while chaos was goingon. Name: Craig Shipley Age: 39 Handle: Ship Reside: Norcross, GA E-Mail Address: craigs at pyramid.com Primary Band: Hawkwind, no, BOC, uhhh Hawkwind, BOC...aw hell, both! First Time Seen Live: BOC, Capitol Center, 1974 (No HW shows, damnnit!) Last time Seen Live: BOC, Capitol Center, 1978 First Album bought: BOC-Tyranny & Mutation (when it was the new release). Hawkwind-Hall Of The Mountain Grill (again, when it was the most current release). Favorite Album: BOC-Secret Treaties HW-ASAM/QS&C (tie) Last album purchased: HW-The Business Trip Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: yes Times seen Live: BOC 4, HW 0. Comments (please be brief): Career: Unix system support (h/w). Married, with children. Brews his own beer. Balding and fat. Other favorite bands; Ozric Tentacles, old Tangerine Dream, Andy Pickford, Mark Shreeve, Ship Of Fools, Porcupine Tree, Synergy, Pat Metheny Group, Pink Floyd & most Italian & Japanese prog-rock! Name: Ben Cohen Age: 28 Handle: Reside: Jersey City, NJ USA E-Mail Address: ben at st-canard.spc.edu Primary Band: BOC First Time Seen Live: November, 1991 Last time Seen Live: November, 1991 First Album bought: Imaginos Favorite Album: Imaginos Last album purchased: Cult Classic Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: Yes, since the list. Times seen Live: 1 (BOC) 0 (HW) Comments (please be brief): NAME: Mitch Goldman AGE: 34 EMAIL: mitch.goldman at turner.com CITY: Atlanta, GA WORK: Turner Sales, CNN Center MAIN BAND: Hawkind...only seen once, this last April. ALSO: Used to be big BOC fan, seen them five times (twice in 80, once in 81, once in 85, once in 89)... er...anything else you need to know? I've been on the list since January. cya... Mitch Name: Albert Thomas Bouchard (for both my grandpas - Al Bouchard and Tom Ryan) Age:48 (but I don't feel 1/2 bad - Bloom's 51!) Handle:Al Reside:NYC E-Mail Address:wk06705 at worldlink.com Primary Band: I like all music First Time Seen Live: So long ago I can't remember Last Seen Live: Ritz, NYC when Jimmie Wilcox did his best Al B Best Gigs: Club Toast 1995, O'Bs 1994, Old Waldorf,SF 1982, Paramont Theater, Seattle 1775 First Album heard: Hey Let's Twist, Joey Dee & the Starlighters First Album bought: Walk Don't Run, the Ventures Ritual Favorite Album: Led Zep 4 Last album purchased: Complete Robert Johnson You Familiar with the Other Band?:yes Times seen Hawkwind:1 Times seen BOC:oo (beyond measurement) Most Memorable HW Moment: Arguing with Lemmy over not moving my drums back when Moterhead opened for BOC at Hammersmith. (I moved back) Most Memorable BOC Moment: Watching my father look at the croud while BOC played at the Art Center in Saratoga (Weather Report opened) Name: Bob Rudich Handle: Rudy the ferret mage Age: 41 E-Mail Address: Rudich at volpe2.DOT.GOV Primary Band: Hawkwind First Time Seen Live: 11/28/90 Last time Seen Live: 11/28/90 (sniff) Favorite Album: Live Chronicles Last Album Purchased: Electric Tepee Are You Familiar with the Other Band?: No (actually a little, but that doesn't comply with format) Comments: Heard the 1st album in '71 and dismissed them as a 2nd class Pink Floyd. As the years passed my opinion flip flopped. Location: Boston area From skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM Wed Oct 4 00:38:30 1995 From: skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM (Skip Galvin) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 21:38:30 -0700 Subject: Watt "Dominance and Submission" CD single out?? In-Reply-To: <951003171632_35547356@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: "7" of "e-ticket ride" b/w "the big bang theory" & "dominance and submission" out next week on columbia records. Oh Yea, this one is going to smoke. How bout a vid with the tux shirt? --Skip From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Wed Oct 4 01:17:12 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 00:17:12 -0500 Subject: Porcupine Tree on US CDs In-Reply-To: <9509281508.A10983@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Sep 1995, cjohnson wrote: > With recent plugs for Porcupine Tree's "The Sky Moves Sideways", I > thought I would mention that the US domestic release of this one is > just now showing up in the channels. I picked up the "Stars Die" > CD-single at Best Buy this weekend; they also had the domestic > "Sky..". Both at VERY reasonable prices. > > Those americanos that haven't checked this out yet, DO IT! Price > is no longer an issue. :-) > > Still no sign of any earlier P.Tree releases becoming domesticated. > There is also still a rumor of "Voyage 34" 1 & 2 being released in > some form on CD in USA, but no sign of that either. > > NOTE: The import "Sky.." and "Moonloop" differ slightly from the > US "Sky.." and "Stars Die". The US versions have some truncated > songs, as well as a new tune. "Stars Die" is the same as > "Moonloop", except it also has this new tune (title escapes me). > The optimum combination is the UK "Sky.." with the US "Stars Die". > > Captain Cloud > cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com > got the catalog numbers for these? the only way i'll get them is if i get the lame-os at the local cd store to special order it . -mike psyche From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Oct 4 02:06:44 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 01:06:44 -0500 Subject: [Moorcock] Newsgroup Proposal (semi-topical) Message-ID: Hi all, I've posted a proposal for the creation of alt.fan.michael.moorcock in alt.config. If all the MM fans on the list would help drive the group through by posting there in support of the group, we could finally take the non-musical discussion off of the list (not that it's been overwhelming of late, but...) Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dzeiger at NETCOM.COM Wed Oct 4 03:09:33 1995 From: dzeiger at NETCOM.COM (David Zeiger) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 00:09:33 -0700 Subject: [Moorcock] Newsgroup Proposal (semi-topical) In-Reply-To: from "Allan T Grohe Jr" at Oct 4, 95 01:06:44 am Message-ID: > I've posted a proposal for the creation of alt.fan.michael.moorcock in > alt.config. If all the MM fans on the list would help drive the group > through by posting there in support of the group, we could finally take > the non-musical discussion off of the list (not that it's been > overwhelming of late, but...) As someone who used to regularly contribute to alt.config (I still read it, but I don't have time to post much anymore), I can almost guarantee that the group, under that name, will get unbelieveably crappy propagation. Worse than alt.music.blueoystercult even (and that group had a bogus control message...) The reasons are twofold... 1) If alt is the sewer of usenet, alt.fan is the sludge at the bottom. alt.fan is widely regarded as continining little but joke/revenge newsgroups (witness the proliferation of alt.fan.(my roommate) type groups). 2) Periods are used as hierarchy seperators, not name seperators. alt.fan.michael.moorcock therefore creates an alt.fan.michael hierarchy (each peroid creates a new subdirectory in the news directories of any given site). Of course, each name segment has to by less than 14 characters, so alt.fan.michael-moorcock won't work either. alt.fan.moorcock or alt.fan.m-moorcock would be much better, naming-wise. -- David Zeiger dzeiger at netcom.com Windows 95: The Dracula of Operating Systems--it sucks up all your memory, bleeds your hard drive dry, and only works an average of 12 hours out of every 24. From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Wed Oct 4 08:59:58 1995 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:59:58 BST Subject: Sputnik Stan Message-ID: Hi, I've finally managed to get my sweaty mitts on Area S4. Does anyone out there know the lyrics to Sputnik Stan? Keith From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Wed Oct 4 11:04:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 11:04:00 BST-1 Subject: [HW] What the heck is this??!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9510032015.AA26582 at pharlap.ci.com> David asks: > I just saw something called the Nuclear Waste Tin filed in the Sting > section. Check out the lineup! Sting, Steve Hillage, Nik Turner, > Mike Howlett, etc! What on earth is this thing? It was all I could > do to keep from grabbing it, but it was $18. Anyone volunteer to buy > it from me if I buy it and hate it? :-) This again! :) I can only presume that this is the same item as the "Nuclear Waste"/"Digital Love" 7" recorded by "the Radio Actors" and released on the Charly label in 1979. Both were written by Harry Williamson. Full credits from the sleeve to the 7" as follows: Sting - Lead Vocals Steve Broughton - Drums Steve - Lead Guitar [it was an open secret that it was Hillage] Nick [sic] Turner - Sax & Vocal Mike Howlett - Drums Harry Williamson - Rythm [sic] Guitar & Vocals Gilli Smyth - Vocals Produced by Simon Heyworth Concept: Nick Turner and Harry Williamson It's OK, you may not feel you need it if you've already got _Pass Out_ or _Prophets of Time_, both of which have versions (although _PoT_'s dub version is retitled "Strontium 90" and nefariously recredited to Turner). Seems like a rip-off at $18 - someone has no doubt spotted a "collector's item" in the making and dressed it up with enough packaging to "justify" the ludicrous asking price. Boycott such profiteering! - Andy From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Wed Oct 4 07:33:06 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 07:33:06 -0400 Subject: BOC/HW Directory Rough Draft Message-ID: Adrian, I cannot find your private e-mail so I'm having to reply here. While I, as I'm sure everone on the list does, really want to say thanks for the montainous efforts put in by you on the directory, I have a slight promlem! I don't know if this will affect anyone else but I have absolutely no way of changing what you've sent into anything apart from what it looks like in e-mail (japanese). My e-mail is just that. No PC attached or anything. Just a terminal on our companies Laboratory Data System. The only word Processor on it is Word Perfect, but I don't think I can transfer mail files to word perfect (there probabally is a way but I'm not going to ask!!). Would it be possible to send the condensed version of the directory in just text? Maybe with 8 files to a page? eg ______________________ | | | 1 2 | | | | | | 3 4 | | | | | | 5 6 | | | | | | 7 8 | | | |--------------------| Sorry to be a pain, but after all this effort I would like a copy in a nice format. Anyone else got the same problem, or is everyone else a Computer boffin with access to things I can only dream about! Anyway, great job, well done, .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Oct 4 08:22:03 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:22:03 -0400 Subject: [Moorcock] Newsgroup Proposal (semi-topical) In-Reply-To: <199510040709.AAA26338@netcom15.netcom.com> from "David Zeiger" at Oct 4, 95 00:09:33 am Message-ID: David Zeiger writes: > As someone who used to regularly contribute to alt.config (I still read > it, but I don't have time to post much anymore), I can almost guarantee > that the group, under that name, will get unbelieveably crappy > propagation. Worse than alt.music.blueoystercult even (and that group > had a bogus control message...) > > The reasons are twofold... > > 1) If alt is the sewer of usenet, alt.fan is the sludge at the bottom. > alt.fan is widely regarded as continining little but joke/revenge > newsgroups (witness the proliferation of alt.fan.(my roommate) type > groups). ...except for alt.fan.frank-zappa, which was once the best newsgroup on usenet, bar none (before Zoogz Rift et al climbed aboard and things started to nose downhill). Btw, alt.fan.blueoystercult never did turn up at our site, and we seem to take every crappy newsgroup that heads our way. Did the net.police send out a rmgroup message to eradicate it?... Did anyone on BOC-L ever read anything on it??? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Brain Surgeons, _Eponymous_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Wed Oct 4 13:27:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:27:00 BST-1 Subject: BOC in London Message-ID: Thursday Nov 9 at the Forum. Only UK show. Tickets 13.50 BO tel 0171-344 0044. - Andy From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Wed Oct 4 09:29:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:29:00 -0500 Subject: USA HW Newsletter: Strange Trips Message-ID: and there is yet another HW US newsletter started up as well. Bob Lennon states in his new Time and Space Newsletter #1 1995: Welcome to the first Hawk-US newsletter..... (His first I presume?) Anyway, he asks for SASE for US and IRC for overseas folks. His address is: Hawk-US Bob Lennon 503 S. Warminster Rd F-2 Hatboro, PA 19040 USA This newsletter is also offically approved by Hawkwind... Scott From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Oct 4 08:33:23 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:33:23 +0100 Subject: BOC in London In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 04 Oct 1995 13:27:00 -0000." Message-ID: > Thursday Nov 9 at the Forum. Only UK show. Tickets 13.50 BO tel > 0171-344 0044. > > - Andy Ya mean they're gonna try and fill the Forum again :-) ? Well, I spect I might be one of the handful there .... Tim ObBadNews: Kyuss split... :-( From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Oct 4 08:38:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:38:00 EDT Subject: Live Chronicles CDs Message-ID: A(Buck Dharma)B, I'd be willing to get you the 2 CD set and send it to you, if you like. I'd recommend the 2 CD set over the single one. What I can't figure is if it is in the player, why do you need a copy (borrowed?). I'm proselytizing member of the Chronicles sect of the Church of Hawkwind and must spread the word. The studio _Chronicles of the Black Sword_ makes a good companion because it shows the strength of Hawkwind live as well as the polish of the studio. Since I don't get the digest and don't have an address for you, e-mail me if you're interested (rudich at volpe2.dot.gov). ( )--(a) (@=@=) \ Rudy the ferret mage O__) \ \___ \ \ (Ever watchful for Hawks from above & beyond) /\ * ) \ From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Wed Oct 4 08:09:51 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:09:51 EDT Subject: New to list Message-ID: Well, I've been on the list for 2 wks. now, and I'm catching on more and more every day. I've learned alot from the conversation, and one day I'll not be so clueless and I'll make some intelligent posts :-) By way of introduction, I thought I'd imitate the directory listings: NAME: Bob AGE: 31 PRIMARY BAND: BOC 1st CONCERT: Atlantic City-1982 (outdoors with 'Zilla rising from behind stage) BEST BOC EXPERIENCE-Philly @ 1990: Having brought a little stuffed 'Zilla to the club, the keyboard player had me toss it up on stage to display during the set. During THE song, he used its feet to "walk it" up and down the keyboard (and 'Zilla didn't even miss a note :-) ). After the concert, the band autographed it and tossed it back to me. Too cool, I thought. To change the subject, I have a stupid newbie question: I would really like to get a BOC T-shirt(s). The last one I have is from their '82 tour and you can imagine how worn out it is. Any ideas? Feel free to contact me directly to save bandwidth. Thanks for your patience. -Bob in Delaware rkohl at state.de.us From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Wed Oct 4 08:50:34 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:50:34 -0400 Subject: BOC in London Message-ID: >Thursday Nov 9 at the Forum. Only UK show. Tickets 13.50 BO tel >0171-344 0044. >- Andy I just don't bloody well believe it. I wait 6 and a half years between BOC concerts (last time Portsmouth 15th March 1989) and they schedule a gig when there's a very, very high possibility I'm working out of the country. Well I'll just go home and spend the evening crying into my beer. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com. Ob Young Ones quote: "This is worse than my birthday" - Neil. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Oct 4 08:57:38 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:57:38 -0400 Subject: [HW] What the heck is this??!! In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Oct 4, 95 11:04:00 am Message-ID: > > In-Reply-To: <9510032015.AA26582 at pharlap.ci.com> > > David asks: > > > I just saw something called the Nuclear Waste Tin filed in the Sting > > section. Check out the lineup! Sting, Steve Hillage, Nik Turner, > > Mike Howlett, etc! What on earth is this thing? It was all I could > > do to keep from grabbing it, but it was $18. Anyone volunteer to buy > > it from me if I buy it and hate it? :-) > > This again! :) > > I can only presume that this is the same item as the "Nuclear > Waste"/"Digital Love" 7" recorded by "the Radio Actors" and released on > the Charly label in 1979. Both were written by Harry Williamson. > CHOMP! This was done in '79? I bought the sucker (@ Best Buys for $12.99) but did not see any indication of the recording date onnit. Have to look closer. There are several more tracks on the CD than just the two above. The personel lineup does jibe, however, so it must be the same thing, Haven't played the beastie yet, so no comment on the music. Did find the new Spiral Realms for $11.99 and it seems quite nice. Also got the Floyd tribute disk that has a number of HW alumni & friends onnit (Turner, Creed, Pressurehed & Farflung) for a measly $16.99 for two CD's! > It's OK, you may not feel you need it if you've already got _Pass Out_ or > _Prophets of Time_, both of which have versions (although _PoT_'s dub > version is retitled "Strontium 90" and nefariously recredited to Turner). > > Seems like a rip-off at $18 - someone has no doubt spotted a "collector's > item" in the making and dressed it up with enough packaging to "justify" > the ludicrous asking price. Boycott such profiteering! > > - Andy > Go to Best Buys if you must have it! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Wed Oct 4 08:59:49 1995 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 05:59:49 -0700 Subject: alt.music.blueoystercult In-Reply-To: <9510041222.AA25630@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> from "Paul Mather" at Oct 4, 95 08:22:03 am Message-ID: > Btw, alt.fan.blueoystercult never did turn up at our site, and we seem > to take every crappy newsgroup that heads our way. Did the net.police > send out a rmgroup message to eradicate it?... > > Did anyone on BOC-L ever read anything on it??? I think it's actually alt.music.blueoystercult, rather than alt.fan... I get it here on Teleport, but get very few posts. Almost all the posts are from AOL, and I usually only catch one or two messages in a thread, the rest never show up. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Oct 4 09:02:29 1995 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 06:02:29 -0700 Subject: Porcupine Tree on US CDs Message-ID: Just a crass commercial note - I'm now carrying the Delerium issues of Mr. Tree... Wylie From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Wed Oct 4 09:23:06 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 14:23:06 +0100 Subject: BOC in London In-Reply-To: <20113.9510041233@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Oct 4, 95 01:33:23 pm Message-ID: > > > Thursday Nov 9 at the Forum. Only UK show. Tickets 13.50 BO tel > > 0171-344 0044. > > > > - Andy > > Ya mean they're gonna try and fill the Forum again :-) ? > > Well, I spect I might be one of the handful there .... See you there. Gosh, what a month 3rd Nov: Rainbow 9th Nov: BOC ?th Nov: Skid Row 18th Nov: Glenn Hughes March: Deep Purple Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Oct 4 09:27:56 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:27:56 -0400 Subject: Watt "Dominance and Submission" CD single out?? Message-ID: Deborah - thanks for forwarding this info. As a "bassplayer wannabe", I have heard of Watt - I picked up fIREHOSE's "Live Totem Pole EP" (mostly for the cover of "The Red & The Black" - which turned out to be a pretty raw, but decent rendition of the song). Haven't picked up "Ball Hog or Tugboat", but perhaps this single will convince me to do so. Also, there was an interview of Watt in the last issue of Bassplayer magazine -- I downloaded the article from the Bassplayer Magazine archive, and will post it here if there is some interest. John From gbga1j7g at IBMMAIL.COM Wed Oct 4 09:37:35 1995 From: gbga1j7g at IBMMAIL.COM (Mr R Sapiano GBGENAC1 Corp Risks UK (Prop)) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:37:35 EDT Subject: BOC IN LONDON Message-ID: > Thursday Nov 9 at the Forum. Only UK show. Tickets 13.50 BO tel > 0171-344 0044. >Ya mean they're gonna try and fill the Forum again :-) ? >Well, I spect I might be one of the handful there .... Hmm...there was plenty of space last time - you'd think that they'd have noticed and chosen a more realistic (ie smaller) venue. I think the Forum can hold about 2000+, and those days are sadly gone. It'd be better for everyone elsewhere, it's kind of demoralising seeing the spaces where the audience should be (but maybe their eyesight has gone now). ;-) Despite my reservations I'll probably be cheering them on when the night comes, yeah this probably needs a more positive attitude. After all this is the band that made Secret Treaties...kind of. Richard gbga1j7g at ibmmail London R Sapiano From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Wed Oct 4 14:52:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 14:52:00 BST-1 Subject: [HW] What the heck is this??!! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9510041257.AA17584 at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> > > > I just saw something called the Nuclear Waste Tin filed in the Sting > Haven't played the beastie yet, so no comment on the music. Did find the Just played my copy of the 7" for probably the first time in 15 years! The A-side is quite bouncy, but sounds like it was recorded on a shoestring budget (e.g., today's Sting would have wanted to do some more takes on the vocals). You can tell it's old because Turner's vocals (spoken intro and choruses) aren't shot to hell. The B-side is a not disagreeable, but not particularly memorable either, bit of jazz fusion (no vocals). - Andy From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Oct 4 10:03:24 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:03:24 -0400 Subject: Reviews of HW stuff wante... Message-ID: Hmmmm. I have a bunch of HW videos but have never heard of Space Nuptials or the Promo collection. Are they available in the US and if so where can I get them? Martyn From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Oct 4 11:04:44 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:04:44 EST Subject: Kyuss Split?? (was Re: BOC in London) Message-ID: Tim wrote some bad news: >ObBadNews: Kyuss split... :-( What's the deal here? I'm supposed to see Kyuss/Monster Magnet on Saturday night! They CAN'T split! Any info appreciated... Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Oct 4 10:08:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:08:00 EDT Subject: Off Topic: B&D Reply Message-ID: In the alternate reality that I live in, B&D replied to the self trepanation letter (www.btf.com/crank2/crnk2-16.htm) that was reprinted here. The text follows. Dear Mr. Koyen, Congratulations on your purchase of the Black & Decker D1000. We feel that this tool will serve you well for the length of time that you will retain sentience. Since the procedure you described is not a usual application, I had to consult with our Engineering division to answer your question properly. You are correct that the carbide-tipped Glass and Tile drill bit (#16905) is best used with a variable speed drill at a low setting when drilling hard materials. However, based on your letter, we do not feel that your skull will fall into this category. The 1/2" metal/wood drill bit (#17204) you are considering seems appropriate for your application. Our engineers also feel that the free flow of blood will lubricate and cool the bit should your skull prove harder than we suspect. Thus, your purchase of the D1000 and the 1/2" metal/wood drill bit should meet your needs fully. The speed of this combination should keep the time that you experience any discomfort to a minimum. Since we do not design for this application, we will not honor our warranty in case the tools fail to perform to your expectation. We doubt you will be able to complain in this case. We do not wish to become directly associated with self trepanation, but you have made us aware of a potential new market. As a result, we are considering corporate sponsorship of a Brain Surgeons tour. Thanks for your interest in Black & Decker tools. Sincerely, Weederman Boffo Vice President, Customer Service Cheers, ( )--(a) (@=@=) \ Rudy the ferret mage O__) \ \___ \ \ (Ever watchful for Hawks from above & beyond) /\ * ) \ Convert, or feel the Needle Gun! From cs0jca at ISIS.SUNDERLAND.AC.UK Wed Oct 4 10:18:42 1995 From: cs0jca at ISIS.SUNDERLAND.AC.UK (John.Cartledge) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:18:42 +0100 Subject: HW -- Area S4 Message-ID: Well, I've finally got my grubby paws on the Area S4 single after hassling my local record store for eons. First impressions : Alien (I Am) -- excellent track. Good to hear a 'proper' new Hawkwind track ie riffs and DB vocals. The only criticism I have is that the mix is fairly muddy. DB's vocals are somewhat lost. Sputnik Stan -- I think this will grow on me. Some nice bass from AD. Definite encore material. Death Trap -- More or less straight cover of original. RT's vocals not too bad. Wastelands -- One of my favourite mellow HW numbers. This is too short though. Am I Losing My Mind? -- The jury is out on this one. Speaking of which. I saw a snippet in Q magazine, talking about a new satellite program starting later this month. Can't remember the title, but it's about a man who had a silicon chip implanted in his brain as a baby, in order to let the FBI conduct experiments in human control etc. The programme was originally on MTV I think. Maybe that's where the idea for the track came from? Also saw an advert for HW in NME today. A bit follows on from what Jill was saying, ie Ande Garibaldi moving to Dundee where he will be in charge of all rare/import HW stuff. There is a contact address in the article, or I will post it if anyone wants it. John From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Wed Oct 4 10:18:17 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:18:17 +0100 Subject: off : Re: Kyuss Split?? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 04 Oct 1995 10:04:44 EST." <9510041004.A11040@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: > Tim wrote some bad news: > >ObBadNews: Kyuss split... :-( > > What's the deal here? I'm supposed to see Kyuss/Monster Magnet on > Saturday night! They CAN'T split! > > Any info appreciated... Well unless some elaborate and involved hoax concoted by many people is at work (possible on the Net I guess) people on the Kyuss list reckon its true. One source being alledgedly Scott Reeder (bass). Something about the guitarist wanting to go to college. I take it with a pinch of salt personally - who knows? I think your show will still happen though. Maybe after you can enlighten me. Tim ObCD: Tool "Undertow" <-- this is brilliant From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Oct 4 10:43:50 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:43:50 -0400 Subject: List Q.... Message-ID: if anyone could help me out on this.... I used the Set Topic command to receive BOC related postings only...but I still receive HW postings as well....when I used the command "-HW" I got a response back saying that I already have the list set up that way... is this thing working right? if it is, then why do I keep getting HW messages? ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Oct 4 10:44:00 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:44:00 -0400 Subject: New to list Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-04 08:50:41 EDT, you write: >To change the subject, I have a stupid newbie question: I would really like >to get a BOC T-shirt(s). The last one I have is from their '82 tour and you >can imagine how worn out it is. Any ideas? Feel free to contact me directly >to save bandwidth. Thanks for your patience. > >-Bob in Delaware >rkohl at state.de.us > > > there is a Zilla T-shirt that you can buy directly from the band...if you have a Web Browser, the info is at my Web site http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html on the last page of Lips In The Hills... ROBO From mbraun at HYDRA.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM Wed Oct 4 10:45:20 1995 From: mbraun at HYDRA.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:45:20 CDT Subject: WOTT I think... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 03 Oct 95 21:31:21 EDT." <199510040131.VAA22317@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Rob Maerz writes: >However, if it is a greatest hits package, there are some inconsistencies >with it... Yes... >I said before that I thought the track selection on here was pretty good...it >still is, but I think that the CD set would've made alot more sense >(conceptually anyway) to say "OK, we're going to issue a double-CD set of all >the BOC singles, B sides and EPs and put them all in one collection"... >w/ that in mind, the collection would've contained: > >Cities On Flame (From the bootleg EP) Fallen Angel >Last Days of May* Lips In The Hills (B side) >OD'd On Life* Heavy Metal: The Blk and Slr(B side) >Hot Rails To Hell Feel The Thunder (B side) >Career of Evil (the single version) Dragon Lady (B side) >Debbie Denise (B side to Summer of Love) White Flags >Tattoo Vampire (B side to Reaper) Deadline >Searchin' For Celine (B side) Joan Crawford >I Love The Night Sole Survivor >Nosferatu (B side) Dr. Music (live B side) >R. U. Ready 2 Rock (B side) Flaming Telepaths (live B side) >Your Not The One (I Was Looking For) Roadhouse Blues >Moon Crazy (B side) Eyes on Fire >Mirrors Make Rock Not War >Lonely Teardrops (B side) Astronomy (with Stephen King intro) >Divine Wind (B side) In The Presence of Another World > Magna of Illusion (Excuse me folks, while I sling a bit of mud... :-) 's just a hobby...) There's only one problem with this track selection: as a BOC member, you'd have to acknowledge that the Bouchard Bros. were in the group, and are no longer. The current WOTT track selection is close to being Bouchard-free, at least in the vocals department. By introducing Debbie Denise, Tattoo Vampire, You're Not The One, Fallen Angel, and the 3 Imaginos tracks, you'd have to face the ubiquitous "Where are Al and Joe?" question some more... (Not to mention possibly put a bit of green into their pockets--green that could be yours if you put your own tracks on the CD.) (Sorry--I'll stop now.) I'll agree that even my best conspiracy theory still doesn't account for the omission of "Then Came The Last Days Of May". Personally, I don't think any BOC collection is even close to complete without that track, "Death Valley Nights" and "Morning Final". m@ +-mbraun at urbana.mcd.mot.com-+--Experiments that failed too many times -----BOC+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | Transformations that were too hard to find | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | Poison's in my bloodstream, poison's in my pride| +---Special Projects Team---+--- I'm after rebellion, I'll settle for lies----+ From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Oct 4 10:58:31 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:58:31 -0400 Subject: List Q.... Message-ID: >I used the Set Topic command to receive BOC related postings only...but I >still receive HW postings as well....when I used the command "-HW" I got a >response back saying that I already have the list set up that way... > >is this thing working right? if it is, then why do I keep getting HW >messages? > >ROBO For the filter to work, I think the posts must start with HW: on the subject line. Thus you may receive HW posts because people aren't doing this. Any how, come on man, whats your problem? :-) Nobody should be filtering out HW posts - keep the list united!!!! Cheers Martyn From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Oct 4 11:00:35 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 11:00:35 -0400 Subject: WOTT I think... Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-04 10:52:42 EDT, you write: >There's only one problem with this track selection: as a BOC member, you'd >have to acknowledge that the Bouchard Bros. were in the group, and are no >longer. The current WOTT track selection is close to being Bouchard-free, >at least in the vocals department. By introducing Debbie Denise, Tattoo >Vampire, You're Not The One, Fallen Angel, and the 3 Imaginos tracks, you'd >have to face the ubiquitous "Where are Al and Joe?" question some more... >(Not to mention possibly put a bit of green into their pockets--green that >could be yours if you put your own tracks on the CD.) well, like I said, there are songs on there that I don't particularly like (Magna...dreadful song...)...but hey, Al and Joe were BOC when BOC was huge...I say put a whole lot of green in their pockets and recognize them for being the powerful rhythm section of Blue Oyster Cult...let's face it, when these guys left the band, so did a chunk of BOCs songwriting and it's been downhill ever since... ROBO From gbga1j7g at IBMMAIL.COM Wed Oct 4 12:30:47 1995 From: gbga1j7g at IBMMAIL.COM (Mr R Sapiano GBGENAC1 Corp Risks UK (Prop)) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 12:30:47 EDT Subject: BOC: WORKSHOP Message-ID: Sorry if this has been done to death but... I've been offline for almost a month, holiday mainly, and couldn't find the new BOC package while in the US. Has it been released in the UK yet? And, is it the rehash we expected or does it contain anything previously unheard? Any Stalk Forrest stuff? Richard London R Sapiano From bfreitas at WEBB.PVT.K12.CA.US Wed Oct 4 12:25:58 1995 From: bfreitas at WEBB.PVT.K12.CA.US (Bill Freitas @ The Webb Schools) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:25:58 -0700 Subject: New to list Message-ID: >1st CONCERT: Atlantic City-1982 (outdoors with 'Zilla rising from behind >stage) Wasn't this the infamous "Bader Field" (an old airport) show where someone actually threw a 10-speed bike on stage? I think The Dregs (nee Dixie Dregs) and Aldo Nova opened... Bill. bfreitas at webb.pvt.k12.ca.us From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Oct 4 19:53:24 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 19:53:24 MEZ Subject: Reviews of HW stuff wanted, WotT Message-ID: >comments on either? Also, came across an EP (on Emer. Broad. Sys.) version >of Quark, Strangeness, & Charm. Has 2 remix versions of Uncle Sams on Mars >(a personal fave). Compared to the original QSC live version - does it ^^^ PXR5 actually. I haven't heard it, so can't comment! >Wouldn't you know it? Urged on by the Assassin Sonique, I retried his WWW >site and got through. Thanks for humoring me! Seems I have to embarrass :-(=>) Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Oct 4 20:56:59 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:56:59 MEZ Subject: Hawkwind Reviews Message-ID: >A quick request from a neophyte Hawkwind fan, will the suscriber who has >been posting reviews etc. This post reminds me ..... I've been meaning to ask others on this list to submit any HW reviews that they may have written or would like to write up. I'm sure that most will appreciate them, and when the collection grows enough, I'll make them all available via my WWW pages. Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Oct 4 22:02:29 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 22:02:29 MEZ Subject: HW: Review - Hawklords 25 Years On (1978) Message-ID: Record Review: HawkLords '25 Years On' -------------------------------------- Disclaimer: I've done this a few times now, but I still have *NO* literary talent whatsoever! In fact it's getting harder as I go :-( My humble opinion is mine, and no-one elses! I do know what I like though, and that means HAWKWIND! Any reference to record labels & catalog numbers reflects what my copy is, and is not necessarily the only (or original) release. Artist/s: Hawklords Title: 25 Years On Label/Cat#: Charisma 9124 032 1st Release: 1978 (but mine says '79) Lineup: Bob Calvert, Dave Brock, Harvey Bainbridge, Steve Swindells, Martin Griffin, Henry Lowther, Simon King, Les McClure, Simon House Hey, this is different! Due to legal reasons, the band had to release this record and tour under the name of 'Hawklords' rather than Hawkwind. The legal problems also stopped the band from releasing the previosuly recorded _PXR5_ LP until the following year. This recording comes across as very tight and proffesional, and really sounds (at first) nothing like the Hawkwind of old. This is not say that it is not a good album, and some of the tracks from this album were played live by the band many times in the following years. The gentle backround keyboards, crystal clear acoustic guitar and exception- -ally smooth Calvert vocals introduces us to the first track, "PSI Power", fading out at the end with 'Psychic Noises' reminiscent of voices in your head as the slow bass and drum line of "Free Fall" begin. Once again, key- -boards are used more for backround 'ambience', and the bass guitar provides the melody. Part way in to this track the gentle tones are replaced by a more sinister bass line and almost sublimal vocals. You can feel yourself falling from the sky (first in panic, then in harmony) as this track prog- -resses. "Automoton" is hardly a song, but rather a Brock/Calvert synth/tape freak out!. Tweeks and squawks build in intensity, along with an increasingly higher pitched and faster robot voice, to a crescendo which BLASTS it's way into the next track, "25 Years", the 'punkiest' track on the album (though definitely not in the Sex Pistols sense of the word). This track is dominated by guitar and keyboards much more than the previous ones, along with a congl- -omeration of whispering and 'stuttered' vocals. Side Two opens with a track that you would swear (if you didn't know better) had to be recorded after an Australian Tour - "Flying Doctor". Fast paced, rythm guitar oriented, complete with the sounds of propellor driven aircraft, digereedoos (sorry - digereedon'ts), wobble-boards, and other instruments reminiscent of Aussie Bush Bands, this track about a drug-crazed member of the Australian Royal Flying Doctor Service is hilarious, if not altogether accurate. The Aussie 'twang' in the 'bush radio' sample is almost right, but the chorus is BLOODY ANNOYING. I do vaguely recall this track getting airplay for a week or so in Australia in the late 70's tho! "The Only Ones" is a definite change in pace. This is basically a 'ballad' about historical greats of Greek legend, Icarus and Daedalus. "(Only) the Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid", the tale of a spy during the Cold War, picks up the pace again to some extent. The album's concluding track, "The Age of the Micro Man" has the feeling of a requim (IMHO), it really makes you feel like it's all over; even the re-hashing of the "25 years of social research" lyric from the 'title' track sounds mournful. Overall, this album is VERY different from other releases, allthough you can feel bits and pieces of 'Quark' coming through in places. Like all the Charisma albums, the energy is predominately in the lyrics, rather than through the use of a 'wall of sound' (qouting Brain Tawn of HawkFan), as in their early recordings. The quality of the sound is markedly improved as well, and only partly due to better technology. This is a more polished Hawkwind, but may not be for everyone. I would not omit this release from my collection for anything however. -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Oct 4 23:01:02 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:01:02 MEZ Subject: HW: Review - Hawkwind 'PXR5' (1979) Message-ID: Record Review: Hawkwind 'PXR5' ------------------------------ Disclaimer: I've done this a few times now, but I still have *NO* literary talent whatsoever! In fact it's getting harder as I go :-( My humble opinion is mine, and no-one elses! I do know what I like though, and that means HAWKWIND! Any reference to record labels & catalog numbers reflects what my copy is, and is not necessarily the only (or original) release. Artist/s: Hawkwind Title: PXR5 Label/Cat#: Charisma CDS 4016 1st Release: 1979 Lineup: Bob Calvert, Dave Brock, Simon King, Simon House, Adrian Shaw ???????????????????????????????????? ? H.M. Govt. Health Dept' WARNING: ? ? THIS WIRING CAN ? ? SERIOUSLY DAMAGE YOUR HEALTH ? ???????????????????????????????????? This album is probably best known for it's cover, the rear of which features an incorrectly wired British Power plug, complete with the above warning. This wasn't good enough though, and it was removed from sale until all the albums had a black sticker placed over the offending graphic. Subsequent releases had a black square printed where the incorrect wiring used to be. This album was actually recorded before the previous release (under the Hawklords banner), but had to be held back due to legal problems over the band's name. It is a collection of previously unreleased live tracks recorded at seperate gigs between 1977 and 1978, as well as two original tracks recorded at Dave Brock's farm in Devon. Wow! The opening drumbeats of "Death Trap" heralds the beginning of one of the fastest and rockiest Hawkwind tracks in quite a few years. These guys obviously spent the weekend before they penned this track at illegal street drags! After it's sudden ending, the much gentler "Jack of Shadows", based on a Roger Zelzany (RIP) novel, begins. I quite like this track, and is a great sing along slow rock number, but not all Hawkfans agree. Samples of the speech which Nixon made after Armstrong's first steps on the moon form only part of "Uncle Sam's on Mars", a hilarious satirical dig at the expenditure put into space exploration by the US of A, while their country is falling apart at the seams, and the promise of eventual destruction of the world environment being totally ignored by those who could do something about it. Space Rock Greenies! "Infinity" is the first of two Brock synth pieces on the album, and (IMHO) is the better of the two. It tells the tale of an immortal being bemoaning his long lost humanity. The second, "Life Form" is more of a synth instrumental, with lots of spacey background effects, and a re-sampled vocal (which I think says 'Life Form', but I'm not sure), which builds into a crescendo, then suddenly dies. It is obviously intended as an introduction to the first track on side two, but somehow flipping the record over destroys the effect! Brock plays all intsruments (synth, guitar, etc.) with the exception of drums, provided by Simon King, on both of these tracks. The opening track on side two, "Robot" is the why I am a HawkFan! One hot & balmy Australian summer night 16 years ago, I was tuned in to a remote pirate radio station (relying on the summer night conditions to pick it up at all) when I was totally blown away, and my life changed forever! If only I was older than 13, then my pledge to buy EVERY Hawkwind release which I made that fateful night could start sooner. As it turns out, I never got this album until last year (1994), and my pre-pubescent dream of Kompleteness is still a long way off (I have got all the 'official' releases). Enough about me - Isaac Asimov, if he ever heard it, should have been proud of this tale of the rage and humiliation felt by a robot who knows he is better than his human masters, but is bound by the three laws to obey. It really rocks too! "High Rise" was to become a Hawkwind classic, and has some of the most descriptive lyrics ever penned by the mighty Hawks. Social rot personalised by a High Rise apartment block, accompanied by a dark, slow and foreboding key- -board and bass-line best describes this track. It is one of my favorite Hawkwind tracks of all time (and I'm not alone here either!). `The tentacles of human gore - spread out on the pavement from the 99th floor'. The album concludes with the title track, "PXR5", the Hawkwind spaceship '... and we go from star to star to find the dream ...'. Is it a fairly upbeat track, with drums dominantly accompanying the vocals, and all the spacey sounds we all expect from Hawkwind Space Rock. It is not in the class of classics like 'Masters of the Universe' or 'Brainstorm', but is a great track nonetheless. PXR5 is a 'gotta have'. This is my opinion, but I'd be surprised if any other Hawkfan argued with me on this one. Buy it. -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Oct 5 02:51:41 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 02:51:41 MEZ Subject: HW: WWW Pages update Message-ID: My God, it's nearly 3AM! But it was worth it. I've just finished updating my WWW pages, and creating new ones. My home page has one additional link. The 'HawkDisk' page (http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ifoundhw.html) has had minor changes (primarily deletions) My 'Hawkwind Links' page (http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hwlinks.html) has a number of new links to text files (discographies, gig lists, etc.), as well as a link to my new page: 'Hawkwind Reviews' (http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hwreview.html) is a new page which has one or two line comments on every Hawkwind release (courtesy of FoFP), and links to the album reviews that I've written so far. I'm keen to add additional reviews from anyone on this list to the page as well. Thanks all, and goodnight (yawn) Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Oct 4 20:20:50 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:20:50 MEZ Subject: Hawkwind: rare releases Message-ID: >It's a bit late this - but I'll put up a few items that apppeared in >Record Collector this month simply because they are very rare indeed and >someone might think it worth while trying to chase them up in the hope >that others haven't got there first! > > >Vicious Sloth Collectables (Australia): Tel. 61 3 9822 4992 Fax. 61 3 >9824 8716 > >Hawkwind, 'Kings of Speed' orig SWOL 25.00 >Hawkwind, 'Silver Machine' Aus 7" orig live version 25.00 > As it's a local call, I'll give these guys (who I've never geard of!) a call first thing tomorrow & see if they are still available Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Oct 5 00:09:34 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 00:09:34 MEZ Subject: HW: Review - Hawkwind "Live '79" Message-ID: Record Review: Hawkwind 'Live 79' --------------------------------- Disclaimer: I've done this a few times now, but I still have *NO* literary talent whatsoever! In fact it's getting harder as I go :-( My humble opinion is mine, and no-one elses! I do know what I like though, and that means HAWKWIND! Any reference to record labels & catalog numbers reflects what my copy is, and is not necessarily the only (or original) release. Artist/s: Hawkwind Title: Live '79 Label/Cat#: Bronze L 37425 1st Release: 1980 Lineup: Dave Brock, Simon King, Harvey Bainbridge, Huw Lloyd Langton, plus Tim Blake (Crystal Machine) Recorded Live during their 1979 Winter Tour of UK (apparantley at St. Albans), this album is definitely in the 'Top 10' Hawkwind releases of all time. As shown on the live photo on the rear cover, this tour included Hawkwind's first use of Lasers in their light show, and according to those who were there, completely blew everyone away. The album opens with the Swindells track "Shot Down in the Night", introducing the listener to Hawkwind's current live style - the sounds of a cheering crowd over the warbles of Blake's synthesizer as the drums and guitar come in with a vengeance. The lack of Calvert vocals in the current Hawkwind lineup are evident, but Brock rises to the task admirably as the 'new' front man. The second track is another 'to be classic' Hawkwind track, "Motorway City" (a studio version was released on the subsequent album, 'Levitation'). This is much slower than the opening piece, but is still very powerful. The gentle keyboard introduction is soon joined by very a catchy rythym guitar melody, interspersed with solid drum work and strong 'passionate' vocals. Blake's synthesizer prowess shines throughout - it's a shame that he didn't stay with the band. The fading strains of this track are overlaid with a rather futuristic sounding version of "Spirit of the Age". Once again, Blake's fingerwork is predominant. This version sees the pace pick up as the chorus is sung, the synthesizers being joined with more bass, guitar and drumwork, dropping back in volume again for the next verse. An excellent representation of this wonderful track. Side Two opens with "Brainstorm", one of the classic Hawkwind tracks from their early years. While a lot of fans prefer the original versions (from 'Doremi' and 'Space Ritual'), I personally feel that this 'Turnerless' version is up to par. It is no better or worse - just different. The style fits in well with the rest of this record, and it is still 9 minutes of fast, powerful space rock, and has all the punch of the original. "Lighthouse" really shines (excuse the pun). Penned by Tim Blake, it starts of with synthesizer effects obviously designed to give one the impression of deep space. A deep electronic throb soon comes in, along with 'Star Trek'-ish spoken word. The track is about a 'Lighthouse Star', which is used as a beacon for interstellar travel. As it ends the crowd ROARS to the opening strains of "Master of the Universe". I get a tingle right up my spine EVERY time I hear this track. Like 'Brainstorm', this version is slightly more modern sounding, but lacks absolutely nothing in power, energy and raw Hawkwind! For an encore, Brock asks the audience "Want do you want us to do then? " - "Silver Machine" they cry! 'My mum's got a washing machine - don't know how it works though! You gotta sing it with us, allright ?' And it begins .... and really kicks butt ....... but EXPLODES halfway through the second verse! Why? AARGGH! It sounded like the best version of this track ever (and according to those present it was). Bastards! This album has all the energy and the Hawkwind of old, but with a much tighter and more modern sound, thanks to new synthesizer technology, and the lessons learned under Calvert's guidance in the 'Charisma Years'. If you don't have this release in your kollection, then you simply don't have a kollection! -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Wed Oct 4 19:54:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 19:54:00 BST-1 Subject: HW: Review - Hawkwind "Live '79" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50 at aardvark.apana.org.au> Monsieur Paul a dit: > As > shown on the live photo on the rear cover, this tour included > Hawkwind's first > use of Lasers in their light show, and according to those who were > there, > completely blew everyone away. I was there... they weren't as good as BOC's lasers the year before... :) [Silver Machine] > AARGGH! It sounded like the best version of this track ever (and > according to > those present it was). Bastards! It wasn't half bad, and the segue into "Levitation" (which none of us had heard before) was excellent. However, speaking personally, I preferred the "Silver Machine" on the two Hawklords gigs I saw - Cambridge because Bob held the mike in my face for a chorus, and Hammersmith because Lemmy (who'd been in the stalls with Eddie and Philthy!) climbed on stage and took over the mike. A hopelessly outclassed bouncer tried to stop him, until Bob had a word in his shell-like. - Andy ObCD: Ramones - _Mania_ (compilation) From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Oct 4 17:50:24 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 17:50:24 -0400 Subject: off : Re: Kyuss Split?? Message-ID: Well, he'll probably get further at college than with the advice the band has been getting... they were really promising at first... but have become successively more unfocused. I think much of that comes from relying on a guy who didn't have much success writing, arranging, or producing his own material to produce 'em...(the first album was OK, but perhaps they and Chris Goss became too familiar to really motivate them...or they to really push themselves to meet his standards). And actually, maybe that doesn't always hold...For example, Bob Rock's own material is pretty horrendous... the lame record he made with his own band of bar band hackers (as Canadian bands go,the material didn't even rise to third-rate Loverboy level--what it appeared to emulating) right after pulling off the production feat of Metallica's black album is probably a case in point.... And this band had a lot of shots... major label deal, some good touring slots... and they never managed to make much of it... --DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Oct 4 17:50:30 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 17:50:30 -0400 Subject: Off Topic: B&D Reply Message-ID: Rudy the Ferret meets Weederman Boffo? Too rich... But thank you for sharing! --:-)DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Oct 4 17:51:09 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 17:51:09 -0400 Subject: Watt "Dominance and Submission" CD single out?? Message-ID: Actually, when Watt initially talked to Albert about his proposed album, he was going to do it with two bands-- one on the West Coast (with members of Pearl Jam/Nirvana/Chili Peppers and the Nels Cline Trio, who he's touring w/now, had jammed with locally, and also contributed to the same Minutemen tribute the Brain Surgeons did) and another on the East Coast (mostly, cause J Mascis likes flying and/or earthquakes 'bout as much as I do!). But he got started on the West Coast, and got on such a roll that he wrote and recorded most of the stuff before arriving in NYC. Albert jammed with J Mascis and Watt on a coupla things in a rehearsal studio and the next day, went to record. But there wasn't time for much more than "D&S," and in the end, some of the songs (like the George Clinton cover) were so long that there wasn't room for it on a single album-- Watt seemed to have approached the whole enterprise the way he once did the Minutemen-- forgetting that when that outfit recorded 20 songs at a pop, they were all only a minute or so long! And, more sticky, there were too many covers, which makes the payments/ownership of the publishing for any artist on a maj.label too complicated (for anyone who's interested, before you shoot off questions I don't have time to answer about this or start speculating in the dark, a recent issue of Musician magazine just dealt with this byzantine topic very well). For those who just joined the list and have been asking: Albert and Joe have both played with Watt solo and his previous band fIREHOSE on various occasions. Albert also joined fIREHOSE and Dinosaur Jr's J Mascis for a live radio broadcast from Electric Ladyland in '93. Thurston Moore was the master of ceremonies, and Don Fleming and his band Gumball also played on the same broadcast. Gumball lost their deal with SONY shortly after releasing their album Revolution on Ice, which featured Albert guesting on their cover of "She's as Beautiful as a Foot." That event was documented in Spin Mag, although with portraits of the principals taken by photographer Danny Clinch. The photo that appears on the back of Eponymous was also taken there-- although as you can see, it was "doctored" a bit for the Brain Surgeons' purposes. People have often commented on the sweatshirt (a gift from the artist, the world famous MeIne) I'm wearing in the pic-- it was partly in honor of the Red and the Black, the song planned for the evening, and two, just something I grabbed and threw on (you'll also notice the genuine grunge hair and lack of make-up-- I thought I was heading to a casual smokey sweaty club type scene, not a potrait studio!). Anyway, as documented by Rolling Stone (who believe it or not, actually check such facts pretty thoroughly these days) Albert and Joe did indeed record with Watt. And next week, you'll finally be able to hear it. --DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Oct 4 17:46:52 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 17:46:52 -0400 Subject: Albert in Cleveland Message-ID: Just got a great photo of Albert's sticks in Cleveland's Rock&Roll Hall of Fame.... a true labor of love on the part of Peter Lavinger, the fan who assembled the display... worth the price of admission! --DF From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 5 01:44:04 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 01:44:04 BST Subject: Hawkwind Reviews In-Reply-To: BREVARD Adrian R.'s message of Tue, 3 Oct 1995 18:31:00 PDT Message-ID: BREVARD Adrian R. writes: > A quick request from a neophyte Hawkwind fan, will the suscriber who has > been posting reviews please send me a copy directly of the Live Chroniocles > CD. I would greatly appreciate it. I had been contemplating jumping into > the HW music scene for a few months and finally took the plunge with Live > Chronicles. I can only say that it was nothing like what I expected. Now I > want to hear a lot more HW. The virus speads..... > Thanks > A(Buck Dharma)B FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 5 01:46:45 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 01:46:45 BST Subject: Sputnik Stan In-Reply-To: K_Barton@eng.hud.ac.uk's message of Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:59:58 BST Message-ID: K_Barton at eng.hud.ac.uk writes: > Hi, > > I've finally managed to get my sweaty mitts on Area S4. > Does anyone out there know the lyrics to Sputnik Stan? > > Keith Best I could do from the gig tapes and the Rock City bootleg: Sputnik Stan ============ They call me Sputnik Stan I view the Earth from a garbage can I'm in your orbit as a junkyard man It's just a job, I'm a satellite junkman They call me Sputnik Stan Spaceway maintenance man I see a satellite about to fade Got to collect it or we don't get paid FoFP From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Oct 4 20:50:06 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:50:06 -0400 Subject: WOTT I think... Message-ID: Well, go tell it to Fartknocker... And how do you think BOC GOT huge? By pushing themselves or repeating themselves? On the topic of songwriting as well as creativity, do you have Trepanation yet? You should. --DF From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Oct 5 00:40:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 21:40:00 PDT Subject: BOC/HW Directory Rough Draft- Problems with the attachments Message-ID: If anyone else is having the same problem as Charlie please let me know. For those who cannot read or affect the attachments I will post the condensed directory to BOC-L in multiple parts. Thanks for the info Charlie. AB Five in the Player Rainbow - Live King's X - Dogman Maze - LIve in Los Angeles Soundtrack to Pulp Fiction Earth Wind & Fire - Gratitude (Live) From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Oct 5 00:55:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 21:55:00 PDT Subject: Live Chronicles CDs Message-ID: A(Buck Dharma)B, >I'd be willing to get you the 2 CD set and send it to you, if you like. I'd >recommend the 2 CD set over the single one. What I can't figure is if it is >in the player, why do you need a copy (borrowed?). I'm proselytizing member >of the Chronicles sect of the Church of Hawkwind and must spread the word. >The studio _Chronicles of the Black Sword_ makes a good companion because >it shows the strength of Hawkwind live as well as the polish of the studio. >Since I don't get the digest and don't have an address for you, e-mail me if >you're interested (rudich at volpe2.dot.gov). ( )--(a) (@=@=) \ Rudy the ferret mage O__) \ \___ \ \ (Ever watchful for Hawks from above & beyond) /\ * ) \ Ooops the curse of late night posting. Did I say I wanted to cop the disk? Sorry I bought HW Live Chronicles as an introduction to HW. Was midly suprised by their sound; they are nothing like I envisioned. I'm really impressed, I could almost imagine what was happening on the stage song by song. Now if only someone would provide financial backing to either BOC or the Brain Surgeons to do a similar production for Imaginos. Rudy can you recommend any other Live HW to listen to? Chronicles was basically an accident. I had seen multiple copies of at least 8 HW cd's at my Best Buy a few months ago. Late last week there were two live cd's, Chronicles and one other which I believe may have had Nik Turner in the band at the time. When I returned to buy it someone else had scarffed it up so I settled for Chronicles. Also anybody have an opionion on Lemmy & Motorhead? Organmastron(?) and a live cd are available, which would be best? AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Oct 5 01:24:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 22:24:00 PDT Subject: HW: Review - Something Interesting Message-ID: A special thank you is given to Sonic Assassin "You know who you are" on my cover of Chronicles. Coincidence? AB -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Oct 5 00:00:03 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 00:00:03 -0400 Subject: Live Chronicles CDs Message-ID: Get Orgasmatron! If you don't like Orgasmatron (the title is a referrence to the Woody Allen movie "Sleeper"), then you probably won't like Motorhead! It's MH at their heaviest. Chuck From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Wed Oct 4 21:17:00 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 21:17:00 MET Subject: Sputnik Stan Message-ID: Hello Keith >Does anyone out there know the lyrics to Sputnik Stan? Here they are Sputnik Stan They call me Sputnik Stan I view the Earth from a garbage can I'm in your orbit as a junkyard man It's just the job I'm the satellite junk man They call me Sputnik Stan Spaceway maintenance man I see a satellite about to fade Got to collect or we didn't get paid Thanks to Mike and Colin for the lyrics Bye Bernhard ======================================================= BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de Tel: Germany 0209 398740 Fax: 0209 33785 (16.00h-23.00h CET) From dzeiger at NETCOM.COM Thu Oct 5 05:23:06 1995 From: dzeiger at NETCOM.COM (David Zeiger) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 02:23:06 -0700 Subject: [Moorcock] Newsgroup Proposal (semi-topical) In-Reply-To: <9510041222.AA25630@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> from "Paul Mather" at Oct 4, 95 08:22:03 am Message-ID: > Btw, alt.fan.blueoystercult never did turn up at our site, and we seem > to take every crappy newsgroup that heads our way. Did the net.police > send out a rmgroup message to eradicate it?... alt.music.blueoystercult never got rmgrouped. Nor did it ever get properly newgrouped--the control message for it was missing the "Approved:" header, so any site that automated group creation in any way probably missed it (Netcom got the control message, but the group wasn't created because of this). Sites that get the group either were set up to accept it without the correct headers, or had the group requested by users on the system. -- David Zeiger dzeiger at netcom.com Windows 95: The Dracula of Operating Systems--it sucks up all your memory, bleeds your hard drive dry, and only works an average of 12 hours out of every 24. From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 5 10:44:40 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:44:40 BST Subject: Live Chronicles CDs In-Reply-To: BREVARD Adrian R.'s message of Wed, 4 Oct 1995 21:55:00 PDT Message-ID: BREVARD Adrian R. writes: > A(Buck Dharma)B, > > >I'd be willing to get you the 2 CD set and send it to you, if you like. > I'd > >recommend the 2 CD set over the single one. What I can't figure is if it > is > >in the player, why do you need a copy (borrowed?). I'm proselytizing > member > >of the Chronicles sect of the Church of Hawkwind and must spread the word. > >The studio _Chronicles of the Black Sword_ makes a good companion because > >it shows the strength of Hawkwind live as well as the polish of the studio. > > >Since I don't get the digest and don't have an address for you, e-mail me > if > >you're interested (rudich at volpe2.dot.gov). > ( )--(a) > (@=@=) \ Rudy the ferret mage > O__) \ \___ > \ \ (Ever watchful for Hawks from above & beyond) > /\ * ) \ > > > Ooops the curse of late night posting. Did I say I wanted to cop the disk? > Sorry I bought HW Live Chronicles as an introduction to HW. Was midly > suprised by their sound; they are nothing like I envisioned. I'm really > impressed, I could almost imagine what was happening on the stage song by > song. Ah, you need the video of Chronicles...... Actually I plan to get the new one from Visionary on CD-I. Would it be just as simple to translate this to PAL-NTSC as to PAL/VHS? > AB FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 5 10:50:02 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:50:02 BST Subject: Calling Robert Rudich Message-ID: To Robert: A huge great THANK YOU!!! I expect I'll be chuckling away for quite a while :-) Bill - still no sign of it. Maybe time to claim the insurance. Here's the update on the t-shirts. I'll hopefully put in the order tomorrow. Can anyone that has cash en route that I don't know abpout please let me know so that I can include them in the order. Otherwise they're out. FoFP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RJPXR5 at aol.com 1XL Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Edlundh 1XL Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVID FURST 1L Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Baxley 1L Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian AGENT GORDON COLE Atkins 1XL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Duane Hoyt 1XL Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andrew fergus wilson 1XL Paid 10 Pounds -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Ward 1L Paid 25 Australian Dollars (9.42 Pounds) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mitch Goldman 1XL Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROB MAERZ 1L + 1XL Paid 40 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Witch Doktressa Tba 1XL -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taiphoon at aol.com 1L -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bstewart at interserv.com 1M + 1L +1XXL cash en route -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Hodge 1? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Rudich, Robert A" 1M Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Oct 5 11:35:31 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:35:31 BST Subject: Live Chronicles CDs In-Reply-To: BREVARD Adrian R.'s message of Wed, 4 Oct 1995 21:55:00 PDT Message-ID: > Was mildly suprised by their sound; they are nothing like I envisioned. Don't keep us in suspense -- what were you expecting, and what surprised you most? > Rudy can you recommend any other Live HW to listen to? The Space Ritual, for early excellence. Palace Springs for a more recent, more polished, and excellent sound. I really like California Brainstorm from the same period, but other people aren't so keen (and the sound isn't so good). Live '79 for a metal(-ish) version of Hawkwind, plus Tim Blake's excellent synth playing. The Business Trip for what they sound like now -- more keyboard work, slightly less guitar. > Also anybody have an opionion on Lemmy & Motorhead? > Organmastron(?) and a live cd are available, which would be best? If the live CD is No Sleep Till Hammersmith, then get it. It's the only Motorhead I still own, and it's got everything you need. Dave. From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Oct 5 12:07:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:07:00 BST-1 Subject: Sputnik Stan Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9510050146.aa26482 at uk.ac.ed.castle> I'd make a couple of minor edits: > They call me Sputnik Stan > I view the Earth from a garbage can > I'm in Earth's orbit as a junkyard man > It's just a job, I'm a satellite junkman > > They call me Sputnik Stan > Spaceway maintenance man > I see a satellite about to fade > Got to collect it or we won't get paid And there's a spoken bit that goes something like: I've been commissioned by the alien federation To collect all this junk out here in space So don't you be nickin' it, 'cos it's all mine - Andy From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Thu Oct 5 07:20:23 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 07:20:23 -0400 Subject: BOC: WORKSHOP Message-ID: Richard says: >Has it been released in the UK yet? NO! But, persumably, it will be released to coincide with their holy presence in our green and pleasant land. (Nov 9th @ the Forum in London.) >And, is it the rehash we expected or does it contain anything previously >unheard? Any Stalk Forrest stuff? No SFG I,m afraid. Along these lines: Does anyone remember the "Potatoland" album by Spirit? It remained unreleased for years and the Beggars Banquet (in the UK) acqiured the rights and released it. There was even a release Potatoland campaign, complete with badges. The O band even released a version of one of the songs. Why can't someone do the same with SFG???? I think it should be released *complete* as an entity on it's own like any other (BOC) complete, non compilation, album. Anyone else got any thoughts? Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM Thu Oct 5 10:00:57 1995 From: bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 06:00:57 -0800 Subject: WOTT I think... Message-ID: On Tue 3-Oct-1995 1:26p, Rob Maerz wrote: RM> * And again to repeat the omission of Imaginos tracks...the hype in the RM> booklet but no tracks...an obvious omission being the Stephen King intro RM> to RM> Astronomy... Hmmm? Stephen King intro? Please explain... _ || \ *jbrooks at bpalace.com "San Diego's || < *PGP key available Original |_||_/ *Brokedown Palace BBS 619-596-1974/7419 Grateful BBS" From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 5 09:39:37 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:39:37 -0400 Subject: WOTT I think... Message-ID: Joe asks about the Stephen King intro to "Astronomy". Here's what the FAQ has to say: "Astronomy" (from *Imaginos*) -- There are 4 versions of this song on a promo CD single, two long and two short versions of the song (the long version appears on *Imaginos*). Two of the versions (one long, one short) have a spoken intro by horror author Stephen King. The spoken intro is from the Imaginos liner notes: "Imaginos (performed by Blue Oyster Cult) - A bedtime story for the children of the damned. From a dream world, paralleling our earth in time and space, the invisible ones have sent an agent who will dream the dream of history. With limitless power he becomes the greatest actor of the 19th century. Taking on many ingenious disguises, he places himself at pivotal junctures in history, continually altering its course and testing our ability to respond to the challenge of evil. His name is 'Imaginos'". Also, according to a 1988 interview with Bloom/Dharma/Pearlman, they said that King didn't want the version with his intro put on the actual Imaginos album -- the single I believe was a promo only. John From gbga1j7g at IBMMAIL.COM Thu Oct 5 10:23:11 1995 From: gbga1j7g at IBMMAIL.COM (Mr R Sapiano GBGENAC1 Corp Risks UK (Prop)) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:23:11 EDT Subject: BOC Stalk Forrest Group Message-ID: Charles the Grinning Boy murmured in the background: >Along these lines: Does anyone remember the "Potatoland" album by Spirit? >It remained unreleased for years and the Beggars Banquet (in the UK) acqiured >the rights and released it. There was even a release Potatoland campaign, >complete with badges. The O band even released a version of one of the songs. >Why can't someone do the same with SFG???? >I think it should be released *complete* as an entity on it's own like any >other(BOC) complete, non compilation, album. >Anyone else got any thoughts? If anybody out there has the time and inclination to create an SFG pressure group that would be great. Any volunteers? What are the chances of success though? The album is 25 years old, under a different name and from a band that are sadly on the way out. How many people are aware of the existence of the material? And would they care once they were told? These questions would have to be addressed, seriously and objectively. I sincerely hope that someone can convince pessimists like me that it IS worth a try - I would love a decent recording of the album, without all the hissing that mine has. It is genuinely a very good album, and you don't have to be a die-hard nut to appreciate it - you just need to dig psychedelic music. I was away when the Directory was compiled, so I don't know how many BOC fans are on this list - but how many of you would buy the SFG album if it were released? That might be a initial gauge for the viability of any campaign - because, quite frankly, if WE wouldn't buy it then no-one would. For sanity's sake, tho, don't post a load of ayes and nays to the list - send them to me direct (or whoever the current list-loudmouth is) and the good/bad news can be shared by all in one go. Alternatively, anyone with a reasonably good copy of it could break all-known copyright laws and do us all a copy of it - for a charge of course. ;-) Ciao Richard London R Sapiano From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Thu Oct 5 10:24:10 1995 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:24:10 -0400 Subject: Another Bolle $0.02 Message-ID: Another pearl from Bolle on AOL. Subj: WOTT Date: 95-10-05 03:27:48 EDT From: TUBULAR 1 My final words on this. A neat CD compiled to introduce new fans to the phenomenon (or is that phenomena as Don Kirshner once asked Eric...) of Blue Oyster Cult. It was not compiled for us hard core fans at all. We already have all this material (hopefully). They did go outside the usual format and threw in a few good bits and pieces. The Booklet is a fun collectible, kinda like some old Tour program only much smaller in size. I only personally wish it were in colour all the way. We get 3 out of the 4 trax off the old Official Bootleg EP, upgraded in sound quality. Born To Be Wild, old single version from 1975. The band used to refer to this as their "I Heard It Through The Grapvine" version of Born To Be Wild. Nice vocal chorous on this track, and had Martin Birch produced it, it may even have been a contender for a great Heavy Metal single attempt...Oh well... The Live take of We Gotta Get Out Of This Place is the one right take from the Vinyl version. the Newcastle show. As you may have noticed the SEE CD has the Edinburg take on it.. or more commonly known as Murray Krugman's mix choice through my MF article on the CD subject. So, in alles, we have 5 songs not previously available to us on CD. not too shabby in my opinion, The rest of the set is based on Singles releases. I am only puzzled as to why the actual singles versions weren't featured instead of the album cuts representing those singles.. Most of the singles in the 70s were edited for airplay...Guitar solos were never accepted in radio play USA for whatever non-profit making reasons the sponsors could think of... I assume it has to do with Vocals needed at all times or the listener supposedly touches that dial... Uh... as we all know, this is part of the reason why we all have our remote controls nearby all the time, n'est cet pas? BOLLE_!_? That's all for now... R. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 5 10:29:49 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:29:49 -0400 Subject: Trepanation Questions Message-ID: I have a few random questions regarding *Trepanation* that perhaps Al or Deb could answer. Some perhaps are not any of my business, so I understand if you would prefer not to answer: 1. My main question was regarding sales of *Trepanation* to date - are they consistent with *Eponymous*? One would hope that *Trepanation* sales would be higher (as it is a more definitive-sounding Brain Surgeons disc -> not that *Eponymous* is inferior; just that I would recommend *Trepanation* first for the potential Brain Surgeons fan), but of course it may be hard to compare since *Eponymous* was also released on the Ripe and Ready label - which brings me to my next question . . . 2. Is it likely that *Trepanation* will also be released on another label as well? 3. I see young Ace Bouchard listed first in the credits to the song, "Everything is Blue" (he also participates instrumentally on a few tracks -- very cool to involve the whole family, IMHO). I was wondering what parts of the song can be directly credited to him? 4. Regarding the guitar-work on the disc -- is the lead/rhythm work split pretty evenly between Billy Hilfiger and Pete Bohovesky, or does one do predominantly the lead work? 5. Where on the disc (and this could be asked for *Eponymous* also) can I hear the "Albertron"? Does it work and sound basically like another guitar? John From cp682 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Thu Oct 5 10:45:37 1995 From: cp682 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Lisa Quinn) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:45:37 -0400 Subject: Live Chronicles CDs Message-ID: Reply to message from fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK of Thu, 05 Oct > >Ah, you need the video of Chronicles...... > >Actually I plan to get the new one from Visionary on CD-I. Would it be >just as simple to translate this to PAL-NTSC as to PAL/VHS? > >> AB > >FoFP > > You need a special VHS deck to do this. Or you need to take the disk to a service bureau that will translate the disk from the PAL signal to an NTSC signal. Just feeding a Pal signal to an NTSC deck will not work. A transcoding VHS deck (which will set you back about $5000) would be the correct tool for the job. A service bureau will perform it for $25 to $50 per hour of tape. Pity the tape is not being released as a VHS video. CD-I players are not too popular in the USA. Lisa -- Lisa Quinn at cp682 at cleveland.freenet.edu From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Oct 5 10:57:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:57:00 EDT Subject: The list filters Message-ID: I thought about putting in a topic filter (no BOC) when I 1st joined, but I figured I'd wait. Now I'm glad I didn't. A latent BOC ember has been fanned and I'll get WotT soon, helping convince Sony to do more. I've scanned the directory (good idea and fine execution, AB) and see that this has happened to other people. If I where king of the list, I'd make people ineligible for filter rights for some initial period. I have to admit I find the BOC stuff as or more interesting than the HW stuff. I agree with Captain Cloud (I think that was who said it) that a list member should read all posts. ( )--(a) (@=@=) \ Rudy the ferret mage O__) \ \___ \ \ (Ever watchful for Hawks from above & beyond) /\ * ) \ From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Oct 5 11:12:37 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:12:37 -0400 Subject: Live Chronicles CDs Message-ID: > >>>Ah, you need the video of Chronicles...... >You need a special VHS deck to do this. Or you need to take the >disk to a service bureau that will translate the disk from the PAL >signal to an NTSC signal. Just feeding a Pal signal to an NTSC but chronicles is already available in the US in NTSC format so this is ireelevant Martyn (veteran of the epic Swann LC video conversion project of the early '90s :-) From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Oct 5 11:25:37 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:25:37 -0400 Subject: Reviews of HW stuff wante... Message-ID: >>>>> Hmmmm. I have a bunch of HW videos but have never heard of Space Nuptials or the Promo collection. Are they available in the US and if so where can I get them?<<<<,, martyn, contact randy at rpm records. he has both for trade, plus many others. i don't remember his address,or his e-mail, but sonique does-its on his web page.... rj From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Thu Oct 5 11:38:34 1995 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:38:34 -0400 Subject: [HW] Brock's Strange Trips Message-ID: > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 08:46:12 -0400 > From: Craig Shipley > Subject: Re: [HW] Brock's Strange Trips > little tin. Haven't played it yet, though, so no comment. David, what > can you tell us about this one? Quite frankly, I think it's the best solo HW effort ever. I even think it;s better than most recent HW! Lots of tasty guitar and elctronics, cool packaging, panning, fun, fun, fun. What more could you ask for? :-) Hoping Opal won't ruin my weekend in Montreal... David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) So storm through the barricades and raise your hands up high All of you pull down your walls, help those too scared to try Don't let them tell you it's only a dream, for never to dream is to die. Don't close your eyes. - "For Your Eyes" - ARAGON From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Thu Oct 5 11:51:07 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 16:51:07 +0100 Subject: BOC Stalk Forrest Group In-Reply-To: <199510051420.KAA02942@listserv.spc.edu> from "Mr R Sapiano GBGENAC1 Corp Risks UK" at Oct 5, 95 10:23:11 am Message-ID: > If anybody out there has the time and inclination to create an SFG pressure > group that would be great. Any volunteers? > > What are the chances of success though? The album is 25 years old, under a > different name and from a band that are sadly on the way out. How many people > are aware of the existence of the material? And would they care once they were > told? Well, there is an example precedent. I have at home a CD by a band called Spice. Spice was to Uriah Heep what Stalk Forest Group was to Blue Oyster Cult. The CD was produced by a small re-issues outfit in the UK (RPM) and is great. It has the complete early session, plus some remixes and related stuff (early outtakes of material that made it onto the first and second albums). It's quite eclectic at times (much more so that SFG I think). The tracks have even been remastered and sound pretty good. Fills an entire CD at the same time. Picked it up for under a tenner - value for money or what? I would hope that if the SFG material is to be released, that it is done in a similar format and by an outfit similar to RPM. They really have done an excellent job on this one. Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Oct 5 11:46:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:46:00 EDT Subject: HW: Live and Good - my take Message-ID: AB, (with the "bogus" AB and the changing in between parts, I go nucking futs knowing who is really who) I agree with Dave's assessment of the other live recommendations with a caveat. >>>> The Space Ritual, for early excellence. Palace Springs for a more recent, more polished, and excellent sound. I really like California Brainstorm from the same period, but other people aren't so keen (and the sound isn't so good). Live '79 for a metal(-ish) version of Hawkwind, plus Tim Blake's excellent synth playing. The Business Trip for what they sound like now -- more keyboard work, slightly less guitar. Dave. <<<< The caveat is that I think that Live Chronicles is the apex of live HW. From what you mentioned about the ability of the music to evoke mental images, no other live stuff has this effect on me. That is not to say I don't like the other albums or certain songs as much, but I don't like the other live alums to anywhere near the same degree. The Assassin Sonique just posted an extremely accurate fan's review of Live '79. I'll make a recommendation that I did the last time with an added benefit. Get the DOJO CD of the _Chronicles of the Black Sword_. The studio versions of the songs (and at least 1 not done live) are good in a studio way PLUS there are 2 added LIVE tracks that are great. I like these two live tracks a lot - as much as anything anywhere else and these two live tracks appear on no other US release. I bought the CD just for these tracks because I liked the "War I Survived" in the studio and wanted it live (already have CotBS on vinyl.) The other live song is a marked variation of a Live Chronicles song (different name) that is worth it too. I like Needle Gun a lot and the studio version of that is different enough and well worth having (maybe better too). Hell, BOC could have done Needle Gun if HW didn't. So if you like Needle Gun...... The problem with many of the other live albums is that there is considerable overlap. If you don't like a particular song, you may have a chance to hate it in many variations. With apologies to other list members, all the other live albums have their real clinkers (just my opinion). This includes songs that other members have spoken highly of. Based on your level of HW experience, I'll bet you won't like them for the same reasons that I have. They are what you'd expect and will put you to sleep if you don't like some fine detail within the song (e.g., a guitar line) BTW - You aren't the only one that needs that CD-I version of Live Chronicles and it also has different songs from the CD. ( )--(a) (@=@=) \ Rudy the ferret mage O__) \ \___ \ \ (Ever watchful for Hawks from above & beyond) /\ * ) \ From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Oct 5 11:53:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:53:00 EDT Subject: HW: One more Live Message-ID: I forgot this in the last post. Friday Night Rock Sessions is rated by FoFP (a good source, I think) as the same driving live HW. I don't have it yet, but plan to get it. There are several duplicate songs on it (with CL) and it's from the same era, so I'm not surprised that it has the same appeal. Rudy From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Thu Oct 5 13:03:50 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:03:50 +0000 Subject: surprise.....off topic Message-ID: greetings one and all, thought the following migfht bee ov interest to those of you into the pschier side of thyngs: delerium records (home of porcupine tree) aree releasing a cheap double cd 5ukp (uk) 6ukp (europe) 7ukp (or $12 cash, elsewhere) (delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk) contayning all sorts of bands on their label: moom; the aardvarks; suicidal flowers; kava kava; sons of selina; nick riff; nova express; treatment; kryptasthesie; boris and his bolshie balalaika; mandragora; nukli; omnia opera; the steppes; porcupine tree; dead flowers; psychomuzak; liberation thru hearing; zuvuya; electric orange; sadder bazaar; praise space electric; the incredible expanding mindfuck (phew) there ya go Ob12": area s4 - i dunno, some obscuro space rock type band (oh what a beauty, sputnik stan, oooh yes, squelchy studio swirlings, mmmm) From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Oct 5 12:07:34 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:07:34 -0400 Subject: HW: One more Live Message-ID: >I forgot this in the last post. Friday Night Rock Sessions is rated by FoFP Is this the CD that the BBC put out on the raw fruit label and which has a tough looking gal weilding a machine gun on the front? M From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Oct 5 12:23:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:23:00 EDT Subject: HW: not so Martyn Message-ID: This CD-I version is new and has several previously unreleased songs. This is not the old, now obsolete video, and not moot at all. Do you remember the SNL sketch of the Scottish shopkeeper and his famous line? ("Everything else is crap") Rudy From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Thu Oct 5 17:19:51 1995 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:19:51 BST Subject: [HW] Brock's Strange Trips Message-ID: Is Dave trying to pull the wool over our eyes? The studio photo on the back of STAPD is actually from 1986. If you don't believe me look at the inner sleeve of Out And Intakes. Surely he could afford a more up to date photograph! Keith From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Oct 5 12:31:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:31:00 EDT Subject: One more Live - Is this te one? Message-ID: >>> Is this the CD that the BBC put out on the raw fruit label and which has a tough looking gal weilding a machine gun on the front? M <<<<< Yes! From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Oct 5 12:46:33 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:46:33 -0400 Subject: Live Chronicles CDs Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-05 00:06:30 EDT, you write: > Get Orgasmatron! If you don't like Orgasmatron (the title is >a referrence to the Woody Allen movie "Sleeper"), then you >probably won't like Motorhead! It's MH at their heaviest. > >Chuck > > I have Orgasmatron...Deaf Forever and the title track are excellent tunes...I would recommend No Remorse, the double CD (if they still make it) "best of"... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Oct 5 12:46:45 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:46:45 -0400 Subject: WOTT I think... Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-05 09:08:40 EDT, you write: >RM> * And again to repeat the omission of Imaginos tracks...the hype in the >RM> booklet but no tracks...an obvious omission being the Stephen King intro >RM> to >RM> Astronomy... > >Hmmm? Stephen King intro? Please explain... > > Stephen King recited the "Prayer for the Children of the Damned" for the intro to Astronomy...supposedly, this was a favor returned to the band for King's quoting the Reaper in The Stand... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Oct 5 12:42:47 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:42:47 -0400 Subject: The list filters Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-05 11:02:27 EDT, you write: > I have to admit I >find the BOC stuff as or more interesting than the HW stuff. I agree with >Captain Cloud (I think that was who said it) that a list member should read >all posts. well, I can d/l all the posts, but I just skip over them...I believe the reason for the filter was an alternative to splitting the group, and it allows US to determine what we wish to d/l...a great ideer, but now the posts don't contain the proper subject line prefixes... ROBO From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Oct 5 13:18:10 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 13:18:10 -0400 Subject: [HW] Brock's Strange Trips Message-ID: >Is Dave trying to pull the wool over our eyes? > >The studio photo on the back of STAPD is actually from 1986. >If you don't believe me look at the inner sleeve of Out And Intakes. >Surely he could afford a more up to date photograph! > >Keith maybe he's getting sensitive about his age. When I saw Nik last year, he looked _ancient_. The damage of life is never ending .. Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Oct 5 13:22:10 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 13:22:10 -0400 Subject: HW: not so Martyn Message-ID: >This CD-I version is new and has several previously unreleased songs. This >is not the old, now obsolete video, and not moot at all. Do you remember (chomp) >Rudy Oh OK. but wouldn't this be in like mpeg format and not either PAL or NTSC? i.e. no video conversion. Sorry I must have missed the discussion of this beastie. Could someone post a brief summary Cheers Martyn From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Oct 5 13:52:43 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 13:52:43 -0400 Subject: HW: not so Martyn In-Reply-To: <9510051722.AA08590@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Oct 5, 95 01:22:10 pm Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > Oh OK. but wouldn't this be in like mpeg format and > not either PAL or NTSC? i.e. no video conversion. That's correct, which is why I was puzzled to read here recently about how difficult this would be to copy due to PAL/NTSC incompatibilities. PAL and NTSC are *analogue* video encoding standards; MPEG is a *digital* video encoding standard. PAL/NTSC incompatibilites have nothing to do with any MPEG->{NTSC,PAL} or {PAL,NTSC}->MPEG conversions one might contemplate. In fact, I reckon anyone wanting to make their own VHS video of this MPEG release could do the following: find a GOOD multimedia computer system, i.e. one that can achieve a *sustained* full speed full-screen playback of both video and audio for MPEG data streams. Make sure said computer has a TV jack (e.g. those nice PowerMacs that have S-video outputs), or some other TV/composite video output. Hook up your video recorder to the TV outputs. Play the CD on your computer, recording on the video at the same time. Et voila, you have a cheapo VHS copy of your CD (complete with HiFi sound)! Cheers, Paul. obCD: Kyuss, _Blues For The Red Sun_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 5 18:58:43 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 18:58:43 BST Subject: HW: One more Live In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:07:34 -0400 Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > >I forgot this in the last post. Friday Night Rock Sessions is rated by FoFP > Is this the CD that the BBC put out on the raw fruit label and > which has a tough looking gal weilding a machine gun on the front? That was meant to be a gal? > > M FoFP From cp682 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Thu Oct 5 14:58:50 1995 From: cp682 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Lisa Quinn) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 14:58:50 -0400 Subject: surprise.....off topic Message-ID: Reply to message from A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK of Thu, 05 Oct > >greetings one and all, thought the following migfht bee ov interest >to those of you into the pschier side of thyngs: > >delerium records (home of porcupine tree) aree releasing a cheap >double cd 5ukp (uk) 6ukp (europe) 7ukp (or $12 cash, elsewhere) >(delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk) >contayning all sorts of bands on their label: > >moom; the aardvarks; suicidal flowers; kava kava; sons of selina; >nick riff; nova express; treatment; kryptasthesie; boris and his >bolshie balalaika; mandragora; nukli; omnia opera; the steppes; >porcupine tree; dead flowers; psychomuzak; liberation thru hearing; >zuvuya; electric orange; sadder bazaar; praise space electric; the >incredible expanding mindfuck > >(phew) there ya go > >Ob12": area s4 - i dunno, some obscuro space rock type band (oh what >a beauty, sputnik stan, oooh yes, squelchy studio swirlings, mmmm) > > Nick Riff is way cool. Excellent stuff. Check him out it you get the chance. He has a new CD coming soon in the USA, and I do believe he has at least one out on Delerium already. Wish I could get it here. Lisa -- Lisa Quinn at cp682 at cleveland.freenet.edu From cp682 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Thu Oct 5 15:03:27 1995 From: cp682 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Lisa Quinn) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:03:27 -0400 Subject: HW: not so Martyn Message-ID: Reply to message from white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU of Thu, 05 Oct > >>This CD-I version is new and has several previously unreleased songs. This >>is not the old, now obsolete video, and not moot at all. Do you remember >(chomp) >>Rudy > Oh OK. but wouldn't this be in like mpeg format and >not either PAL or NTSC? i.e. no video conversion. Sorry I >must have missed the discussion of this beastie. Could someone >post a brief summary >Cheers > >Martyn > No it is in CD-I format. You need a Phillips CD-I player to see it. It very well may be a flavor of MPEG, you would need a CD-I compatible driver in your PC to view it. Probably a pretty fast PC too. The CD-I has a proprietary chip set so it goes fast enough that it is like using a vhs deck. Lisa -- Lisa Quinn at cp682 at cleveland.freenet.edu From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Oct 5 20:07:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 20:07:00 BST-1 Subject: HW Alien (I Am) Message-ID: OK, "Sputnik Stan" was easy... this is my best shot at the lyrics to "Alien (I Am)". I'm not 100% certain about much of this, but I've marked the dodgiest lines. It's the chorus that really bugs me! I lack emotion I've no love that I will find I once found devotion To be the worried mind The heart is suffered [?] The soul is scorched [?] Lying here ruptured With such empty mental thoughts [?] Your world is closed The door slammed shut A light that's gone out Say no more, speak no less For you I know the alien I am The alien I am My mind is marble [?] The belt steel tight [?] The eye looks within Say no more, speak to no less While I, the alien, reject your human touch I reject your human touch Alien control calling Earth Are you receiving, Earth? Are you receiving? We are the aliens We have warned you about the danger It's a long time since I tried to work out an entirely new Hawkwind lyric! :) BTW, re: the line about the eye that looks within... is this track a version of the unreleased cut on the Griffin set? Or vice versa? - Andy From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Thu Oct 5 15:11:09 1995 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:11:09 -0400 Subject: Melting euphoria (fwd) In-Reply-To: (message from Gregory Kovaciny on Thu, 5 Oct 1995 13:25:46 -0500 (CDT)) Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 13:25:46 -0500 (CDT) > From: Gregory Kovaciny > > That's a nice list of other groups! I've had an IM-POSS-IBLE time > getting *any* Omnia Opera on CD (or vinyl for that matter--also no luck > with Spongy Comestibles either. I've heard they're both extra tasty. > Do you or anyone on the list know *where* to get these groups--I've tried > a number of local and also online export vendors--the orders languish and > end up being cancelled after many weeks/months on b/o. Been over a year > for Omnia Opera search. Thanks for any ad-vice. Well, like I said earlier, I thought Omnia Opera sucked, and sold it to Steve Swann over on the BOC/HW list, so blame him. We all do. :-) Anyway, I got it at Venus Records in NYC back in March I think. Don't know if they do mail order. Try giving them a call. Can anyone else help? ObCD: A Change of Seasons - DREAM THEATER David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) So storm through the barricades and raise your hands up high All of you pull down your walls, help those too scared to try Don't let them tell you it's only a dream, for never to dream is to die. Don't close your eyes. - "For Your Eyes" - ARAGON From gary at Z-CODE.COM Thu Oct 5 15:11:17 1995 From: gary at Z-CODE.COM (Gary Wingert) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:11:17 -0700 Subject: HW: not so Martyn In-Reply-To: Lisa Quinn "Re: HW: not so Martyn" (Oct 5, 15:03) Message-ID: On 05.Oct, cp682 wrote re: "Re: HW: not so Martyn" cp682> Reply to message from white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU of Thu, 05 Oct cp682> > >>This CD-I version is new and has several previously cp682> unreleased songs. This >>is not the old, now obsolete cp682> No it is in CD-I format. You need a Phillips CD-I player to cp682> see it. It very well may be a flavor of MPEG, you would need cp682> a CD-I compatible driver in your PC to view it. Probably a cp682> pretty fast PC too. The CD-I has a proprietary chip set so cp682> it goes fast enough that it is like using a vhs deck. Mediamatics VideoCD player is purported to support the Philips CDI format for playback on Windows 3.x and above... gary From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Thu Oct 5 15:19:11 1995 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:19:11 EDT Subject: C&D Dundee Address ? Message-ID: Greetings Hawkfans! I'm a Hawkfan from Sweden who have bought lot's of records from MLM ( Andy Garibaldi ) and I want to keep contact with him ( buy more records from him ). If I'm not mistaken there was someone who had the address and perhaps phone/Fax to the shop in Scotland! Could you please send it to either BOC-L or directly to me if you still got it ? Thanks in advance. Henrik 100522.44 at compuserve.com From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Thu Oct 5 15:55:13 1995 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 14:55:13 CDT Subject: List Q.... Message-ID: >I used the Set Topic command to receive BOC related postings only...but I >still receive HW postings as well....when I used the command "-HW" I got a >response back saying that I already have the list set up that way... > >is this thing working right? if it is, then why do I keep getting HW >messages? No, It doesn't work for me either... From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 5 16:14:44 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 16:14:44 -0400 Subject: The list filters Message-ID: I think perhaps some clarification (and a reminder) from our moderator on the list filters would be in order. I have the following questions: 1. Do the filter names need to be the first words in the subject header? For example, if I have a subject line like: What is your favorite BOC song? Will it be properly filtered, or do I need to put: BOC - What is your favorite song? 2. Do the filters need to appear in capital letters? 3. A periodic reminder of the filters might be in order. I believe they are BOC, HW, BRAIN, NIK 4. What about the "Other" filter? Can one select to remove "Other" messages, and if so, does this mean that all subjects that don't have a filter name in them will not get to someone who removes "Other"? 5. Could the filters have multiple names? For example, shouldn't the "BOC" filter work on messages with "BOC", "Blue Oyster Cult" (and maybe WOTT? ;-) ) in them? Or, for it to work, must we specifically put "BOC" in the subject line? John (who's going to make an effort to use the filters from now on, as soon as he's sure he understands how they work) From kfrazier at NCSA.UIUC.EDU Thu Oct 5 16:26:22 1995 From: kfrazier at NCSA.UIUC.EDU (Keith Frazier) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:26:22 -0500 Subject: surprise.....off topic Message-ID: >Nick Riff is way cool. Excellent stuff. Check him out it you >get the chance. He has a new CD coming soon in the USA, and >I do believe he has at least one out on Delerium already. Wish >I could get it here. I just bought the Nick Riff "Cloak of Immortality". IMHO it sucked. Not much lead for a guitar player. I do like 2 of the songs. It's up for sale if anyone is interested. It cost me US$16.50. Will part with for the same. Keith F. kfrazier at ncsa.uiuc.edu NCSA University of IL. " From lansford at VNET.NET Thu Oct 5 17:13:41 1995 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Oyster Girl) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 21:13:41 GMT Subject: alt.music.blueoystercult Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, Kevin Haskel Rubin wrote: >I think it's actually alt.music.blueoystercult, rather than alt.fan... I >get it here on Teleport, but get very few posts. Almost all the posts are >from AOL, and I usually only catch one or two messages in a thread, the rest >never show up. 'Twould appear it takes forever for a newsgroup started on AOL to be picked up by Sprint, etc. AOL's the only place I've ever been able to access it. From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Oct 5 20:04:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:04:00 PDT Subject: HW: Review - Moi? Message-ID: I recieved a personal message from Paul asking if I would write a review of HW Live Chronicles, in addition someone asked me my thoughts. Paul my friend there is no way I could write a review as insightful as I have seen you produce to date. In addition it would probably fall way short as I have no familiarity with the Works of MM. I do so much reading at work that when I read for pleasure I opt for the quick gratuitous fix of techno thrillers (Dale Brown, Tom Clancy, Richard Herman, Larry Bond, et.,al) Thanks but I'll pass on a formal review. As a HW newbie I will give my impressions of my first taste of HW. Some Background - My particular likes and dislikes in any type of music would be extremely difficult to describe; for simplicity sake I will only say I like what I like, what I don't, I won't listen too. I tend to look for solid performances from all the musicians in the band, good vocal harmonies and emotion. I am not as concerned with lyrics, themes etc. This probably explains why I like BOC, Yes, Rush, King's X and bands like Y&T, Damn Yankees, Great White and Molly Hatchet. If the music moves me thats all I need. Having said all this and adding the additional caveat that I have no familiarity with the works of MM, I find Live Chronicles to be an excellent album. My first surpise was the dominance of the guitar work on the first few songs. I always thought that HW music would sound like hyperactive Pink Floyd or ELP. What I heard was just plain good rock & roll. The guitar work is first rate, rythm section (Bass & Drums) steady throughout and the perfect blend of keys and synths to balance it all out. The band makes some smooth transitions from the keys to guitar dominated music. At times though Brocks vocals seem to be overwhelmed by the music, but for the most part came through pretty clear. This is a bit weird, but certain tracks for example Needle Gun seemed to have inspired this whole generation of Alternative rockers. The combination of vocals and guitars is similar. Perhaps the Alt boys are closet HW fans. Songs that impressed me the most for no particular reason - Song of the Swords Dragons & Fables The Sea King Angels of Death Shade Gate Rocky Paths The Pulsing Cavern Master of the Universe (I have seen this song represented on several HW cd's) Dreaming City Needle Gun Wizards of Pan Tang Moonglum (Friend Without a Cause) After hearing Chronicles I really wish BOC has the financial wherewithal to do a similar production of Imaginos. Hmmm perhaps that could be a project Brock would be willing to take on. Hey I can dream can't I? The HW members of this list usually engage in far more intellectual discussions than this but I think it says something about HW, that an average joe music lover like myself can appreciate their work. Looking forward to hearing more. A(new HW fan)B Five in the Player recently Live Chronicles - HW (again) All the Worlds A Stage - Rush Stages - Triumph ETI Live - BOC The Lizard - Saigon Kick From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Oct 5 20:04:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:04:00 PDT Subject: Directory Questions Message-ID: A couple of people have wondered if all the information submitted for the directory would be represented. The answer is yes. The document you received as an attachement basically lists everyones response the way I received it. I plan on updating this with missing information such as age, e-mail address etc., However the condensed version of the directory is what I plan on spending a great deal of time formating for a uniform appearance. You will receive copies of both. Thanks AB From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Thu Oct 5 17:02:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 16:02:00 -0500 Subject: WOTT I think... Message-ID: -> RM> * And again to repeat the omission of Imaginos tracks...the hype -> in the RM> booklet but no tracks...an obvious omission being the -> Stephen King intro RM> to -> RM> Astronomy... -> -> Hmmm? Stephen King intro? Please explain... This was in fact, the first version of Astronomy '88 I ever heard. It has Author Stephen King during the beginning "weet dee dee deet dee dee deet" geetar part reading the back of the Imaginos vinyl. The whole "Bedtime story for the..." blah blah blah. I forgot about this version. If it had been on WOTT, I would have bought a copy. Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Oct 5 21:13:03 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 21:13:03 -0400 Subject: Live Chronicles CDs Message-ID: martyn writes:>>>>>>>>>> but chronicles is already available in the US in NTSC format so this is ireelevant<<<<<<<<<< the new one has extra tracks and wotnot. rj From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Thu Oct 5 22:17:36 1995 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 22:17:36 -0400 Subject: The list filters In-Reply-To: <199510052014.QAA29160@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Oct 5, 95 04:14:44 pm Message-ID: >I think perhaps some clarification (and a reminder) from our moderator >on the list filters would be in order. I have the following questions: I'll do what I can to help. >1. Do the filter names need to be the first words in the subject header? >For example, if I have a subject line like: What is your favorite BOC >song? Will it be properly filtered, or do I need to put: BOC - What is >your favorite song? Not only must it be the first word(s), but it must be separated by a ":" from the rest of the subject. [Don't worry about the "Re:"s that get added for replys; those are automatically ignored.] The correct format for your example would be: Subject: BOC: What is your favorite song? >2. Do the filters need to appear in capital letters? No, although it does help them to stand out better. >3. A periodic reminder of the filters might be in order. I believe >they are BOC, HW, BRAIN, NIK That's correct. You can always see the current topics by sending to with a message body text of: REVIEW BOC-L >4. What about the "Other" filter? Can one select to remove "Other" >messages, and if so, does this mean that all subjects that don't have >a filter name in them will not get to someone who removes "Other"? Yes. >5. Could the filters have multiple names? For example, shouldn't the >"BOC" filter work on messages with "BOC", "Blue Oyster Cult" (and maybe >WOTT? ;-) ) in them? Or, for it to work, must we specifically put >"BOC" in the subject line? 'Fraid not. Filters have to be a single word. YnSSHM, Ben From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Thu Oct 5 19:21:00 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 19:21:00 MET Subject: new address Message-ID: Hello there! I have got a new account (E-Mail-address) It is: bp at sokrates.ruhr.de Please send now all your messages or attachements to this address. The old address will be working for a few more days (maybe 7 or 10 days) and then I'll disconnect it. cheers Bernhard Pospiech ======================================================= BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de Tel: Germany 0209 398740 Fax: 0209 33785 (16.00h-23.00h CET) From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Fri Oct 6 05:42:08 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:42:08 +0100 Subject: BOC - 25th Aniversary suggestion In-Reply-To: <8B273C2.000100086D.uuout@nor.mkl.com> from "ROBERT SEDLER" at Oct 5, 95 04:02:00 pm Message-ID: Following up the recent posts about WOTT, a couple of things have occurred to me: * Only 2 years to the 25th Aniversary of the first album * Sony are sitting on an excellent back catalogue; remastering has shown to be a commercial winner (eg. Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin), and nostalga shifts CDs. Therefore, I would suggest the following plan for a 25th Aniversary. 1. Complete remastering of ALL the studio albums (except Imaginos - I don't think it needs it) with updated artwork and liner notes The live albums are less important. Filling up the CDs with any alternative takes or unreleased material from the same sessions would be excellent, but certainly not essential. (ref. LedZep, Floyd and DP In Rock 25th Aniversary edition). 2. An 'early years' single CD. This would comprise all of the SFG stuff, any SU stuff that is hanging around, the 1972 bootleg, and if there is any space left, add any early demos/outtakes that are hanging around for the early years. It would be good to have this remastered and have some good liner notes telling the story of the early days. Good opportunity to raid the archive for photos as well. (ref. Uriah Heep - early years (RPM 115) )) 3. A Singles A/B collection - the idea here to two fold - to give a reasonable representation of BOC's single output (using the single versions, not the album versions), and also to get some of the essential B sides out as well (eg. Flaming Telepaths live). It should definitely include the Imaginos A/Bs. Again, this should be a single CD. The singles output is probably greater than 80 mins, but with a bit of thought, the less important ones can be dropped. Again, good liner notes, remastering and photos are important here. (ref. Deep Purple - the New Singles A/B) 4. Dig out one or two of the best 'bootlegs', tidy them up and release them. Things like Nail You Down where good soundboard recordings exist. Prefereably this stuff would be somewhat orthoginal to the current live releases. (ref. Deep Purple - On the Wings of a Russian Foxbat, Deep Purple - Scandanavian Nights) 5. ... and to tie it all together, a new BOC album, launched as a 25th Aniversary album and world tour. (ref. Deep Purple - The Battle Rages on) The marketting idea would be to launch the remastered stuff in a blaze of publicity, playing on the nostalga and remastered angles which generates interest, all of which is used to increase interest in the band generally, and in the new album and tour more importantly. BOC are not just another band doing the clubs - they have a great untapped back catalogue which Sony has access to at very little up-front cost. It is worth appreciating that in places like the UK, CDs other than Imaginos, AOF and CN are not especially easy to find or cheap. I suspect that unlike DP, people are less likely to have upgraded their collections to CD. Any one fancy passing this suggestion on to Eric on AOL? Al - would you be interested in trying to push something like this forward with Sony? Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Oct 6 05:44:22 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:44:22 +0100 Subject: I'm back too! Message-ID: I'm back, or rather--I'm here! Newly installed in Cambridge, England whwhere my address is: cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk Cheers, Carl From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Oct 6 08:10:25 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:10:25 -0400 Subject: I'm back too! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, C.E. Anderson wrote: > I'm back, or rather--I'm here! Newly installed in Cambridge, England whwhere my address is: cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk Great to have you back so soon, Carl! I'm glad to see you've got your priorities straight (getting onto e-mail and BOC-L, pronto). :-) A lot has happened since you've been gone. A(Buck Dharma)B has become a Hawkwind fan, for one!!!!! (One of the seven [seven, seven, ...] signs of the apocalypse, so I'm told...:) Remember, "left is right" in Britain. (Watch the roads.) Cheers, Paul. PS: Got the Pinkwind CD; you at Stony Brook should have the cheque by now, too. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Oct 6 08:14:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:14:00 EDT Subject: Off Topic: MPEG to video Message-ID: Martin and Paul are right about the ability to play the CD-i of Live Chronicles on a top line compute set up. The rub and the crux of the discussion was the realization that some of us don't have that level of equipment. Provided somebody did make the conversion, we got into what was needed for us low tech blokes who could manage a VHS version. It's cheaper for us to play in video than upgrade computer hardware just to play this disc. That's all. Rudy From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Oct 6 08:45:28 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:45:28 -0400 Subject: Off Topic: MPEG to video In-Reply-To: <30749159@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Oct 6, 95 08:14:00 am Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > Martin and Paul are right about the ability to play the CD-i of Live > Chronicles on a top line compute set up. The rub and the crux of the > discussion was the realization that some of us don't have that level of > equipment. Provided somebody did make the conversion, we got into what was > needed for us low tech blokes who could manage a VHS version. It's cheaper > for us to play in video than upgrade computer hardware just to play this > disc. That's all. Yeah, but if you can find somewhere that has the requisite hardware, you should be able to make your own homebrew video copy of the CD. (So you only need access to the "high-power" hardware once.) I wouldn't be surprised if these "video conversion" companies don't do it now. And if you are at a university, or live near one, chances are they have a "multimedia lab" that you might be able to borrow the services of to run off a copy. Apparently the one here at Tech can handle everything up to mastering your own CDs. (Whether they'd *let you* is another matter.:) Like I said before, if you can find a PowerMac with a MPEG card in it, that should be all you need. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _Sprawl_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 6 09:00:30 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:00:30 -0400 Subject: BOC: 25 Anniversary suggestion Message-ID: As a diehard BOC fan, I like Jason's idea ALOT. Also as a diehard fan, I don't know that it's possible -- but if could happen, then I'd buy every one of those new releases. Just a few comments on Jason's suggestions: >1. Complete remastering of ALL the studio albums (except Imaginos - I don't think it needs it) with updated artwork and liner notes Actually, *Imaginos* DOES need to be re-done -- not that the sound on it is bad, but Al's original creation of *Imaginos* (including the songs left off the disc - make it a double CD if you have to) is what needs to be released -- let BOC fans hear the original creation of *Imaginos* -- yeah, I know - of all the suggestions, this one's probably the least likely to happen. >2. An 'early years' single CD. This would comprise all of the SFG stuff, any SU stuff that is hanging around, the 1972 bootleg, and if there is any space left, add any early demos/outtakes that are hanging around for the early years. It would be good to have this remastered This might actually make a double CD - I'm not sure. The SFG album is around 20-30 minutes long, and the SWU demo is about the same. Then add the 4 songs on the '72 bootleg, and Bolle recently said that there's the original BOC demo for Columbia (of which, only "Last Days of May" was used from it) -- all of that will probably overflow a single CD. >tely include the Imaginos A/Bs. Again, this should be a single CD. The singles output is probably greater than 80 mins, but with a bit of thought, the less important ones can be dropped. Well, with all of the BOC compilations out there, actually quite a few could probably be dropped -- even though it's their biggest hit, do we need another CD with "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" on it? Or "Godzilla", or "Burnin' For You"? Unless it's different from the original version (which I realize the fact that many of the single versions of the songs have the guitar solos removed), then why waste space on yet another disc? >4. Dig out one or two of the best 'bootlegs', tidy them up and release them. Things like Nail You Down where good soundboard recordings exist. Yeah, this is a good idea -- if they only were to do one, I'd suggest a compilation of some of the best live recordings, and make it some kind of rare stuff. Some ideas might be "Born to Rock" (from Nail You Down), "Wings of Mercury" (from Into the Crypts of Rays), "Heavy Metal: The Black & Silver" (from The Thing). How 'bout "Lips In The Hills", "It's Not Easy", and "Arthur Comics" from the Old Waldorf show? Maybe some old stuff like "Wings Wetted Down" and "Mistress of the Salmon Salt" from the Cleveland broadcast back in '73? One of my old recordings from either '72 or '73 has an interesting version of "Stairway to the Stars" and "The Red & The Black" which are somewhat different than the way BOC has played them for most of their careers. I'd better stop now, or this one's gonna turn into a double CD as well :-) >5. ... and to tie it all together, a new BOC album I hope I don't have to wait 2 more years before the next BOC studio album comes out . . . Good ideas Jason! John From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Oct 6 20:44:11 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 20:44:11 MEZ Subject: HW: Rareties ? Message-ID: As promised in an earlier post, I rang 'Vicious Sloth Collectables' in Melbourne about their HW singles. The guy on the phone was fairly friendly but not all that helpful. They don't carry a catalog as such, but will create a listing of waht material they have of a particular band on request. The only HW stuff that he knew about (though he said they probably have others) were: Kings of Speed 7", Original Australian release (Festival), plain brown wrap Silver Machine 7", Original Australian release (Festival), plain brown wrap Both of these are availabale for the *tiny* sum of 25 BP (they don't normally trade to the Aust public, so didn't have a price in A$)! So if you are a SERIOUS Kollector (and loaded), you might want to call them: Ph: +61 3 9822-4992, Fx: +61 3 9824-8716 Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Oct 6 20:35:07 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 20:35:07 MEZ Subject: Reviews of HW stuff wanted Message-ID: >>>>>> Hmmmm. I have a bunch of HW videos but have never heard >of Space Nuptials or the Promo collection. Are they available >in the US and if so where can I get them?<<<<,, >martyn, contact randy at rpm records. he has both for trade, plus many >others. i don't remember his address,or his e-mail, but sonique >does-its on his web page.... rj So I do! Its http://rpmrecords.metronet.com/ Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Oct 6 21:08:48 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 21:08:48 MEZ Subject: HW: Review - Moi? Message-ID: >I recieved a personal message from Paul asking if I would write a review of >HW Live Chronicles, in addition someone asked me my thoughts. Paul my >friend there is no way I could write a review as insightful as I have seen >you produce to date. In addition it would probably fall way short as I have >no familiarity with the Works of MM. I do so much reading at work that when AB, Thanks for the compliment about MY reviews. I asked you to review the CD BECAUSE you are a HW newbie, and can therefore give some fresh insight. As Brian Taw (of Hawkfan/Hawkwind Feedback) recently described himself "I know I listen to Hawkwind with Velvet-lined ears ....". I hope that my 'reviews' WWW page can eventually have comments and attitudes from as many different people as possible, so the invitation is open to EVERYONE! Thankyou for posting your thougts on the release, and unless you specifically wish that I don't, I will add your comments to the review page. All, C'mon Guys and Gals: Start punching those keys! Review anything - LP's, 7"s, eP's, Weird tapes, Video, Gigs, etc. etc. All input is welcomed with an open /usr/spool/mail/sonique ! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Oct 6 22:50:18 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 22:50:18 MEZ Subject: HW: WWW Page updates Message-ID: Gidday All, I have just made some minor changes to some of my WWW Pages, and added a new one! Johann Edlundh's "Hawkwind Top 100 Discography" is now available from my 'Hawkwind Links' page (http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hwlinks.html) as a zipped Word 6.0 document, a text file (contents is condensed), or as a WWW page in it's own right - http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hwtext/hwtop100.html You can also download all of Bernhard Pospeich's Gig/Tape/Video lists as a single zip file from 'Hawkwind Links', and AB's excellent 'newbie Hawkfan' review of _Live Chronicles_ can be found on the 'Hawkwind Reviews' page, http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hwreview.html Enjoy! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Oct 6 09:30:52 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 14:30:52 +0100 Subject: I'm back too! In-Reply-To: from "Paul Mather" at Oct 6, 95 08:10:25 am Message-ID: > > I'm back, or rather--I'm here! Newly installed in Cambridge, England whwhere my address is: cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > > Great to have you back so soon, Carl! I'm glad to see you've got your > priorities straight (getting onto e-mail and BOC-L, pronto). :-) Yup. I sure know what's important in life :) > A lot has happened since you've been gone. A(Buck Dharma)B has become a > Hawkwind fan, for one!!!!! (One of the seven [seven, seven, ...] signs > of the apocalypse, so I'm told...:) Wonders will never cease! I hear rumors of the new HW EP being out ... what are the chances of finding it in a shop? Not that I actually have a CD player here yet, but I wouldn't want to let that bar me from getting CDs .... ;) Cheers, Carl From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Oct 6 11:56:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:56:00 PDT Subject: BOC Stalk Forrest Group Message-ID: > If anybody out there has the time and inclination to create an SFG pressure > group that would be great. Any volunteers? > > What are the chances of success though? The album is 25 years old, under a > different name and from a band that are sadly on the way out. How many people > are aware of the existence of the material? And would they care once they were > told? Perhaps if the SFG recordings were a) packaged under that name, b) remastered for appropriate sound quality and c) promoted by either the band (play a song or two in the set) or Sony (get some air time) such a thing might be moderately successful. At a minimum any BOC fan would recognize it instantly and scarff it up. Design a killer cover and price it right, less than $10 US, and some curiosity seekers may also take a chance on it. Sony may even be able to relinquish its rights or grant a small label a limited license to do the release. Wouldn't hurt to ask Sony. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Oct 6 11:56:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:56:00 PDT Subject: HW: Live and Good - my take Message-ID: >AB, (with the "bogus" AB and the changing in between parts, I go nucking >futs knowing who is really who) I agree with Dave's assessment of the other >live recommendations with a caveat. > Rudy the ferret mage Thanks for the tips Rudy. BTW I think it is pretty well established that I am the only one signing posts AB. While Al and I have the same inititials he always signs AL. A(The slightly younger)B From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Oct 6 15:07:08 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:07:08 BST Subject: HW: I'm back too! In-Reply-To: C.E. Anderson's message of Fri, 6 Oct 1995 14:30:52 +0100 Message-ID: > I hear rumors of the new HW EP being > out ... what are the chances of finding it in a shop? Get theeself to Parrot's Records on King St. (not King's Parade, that's a completely different street). It has two branches; one sells jazz/blues/ classical/folk/world music, and the other sells rock/techno/ambient/reggae/etc. The second usually has the latest HW stuff in, though not much other HW. For a wide range of HW, have a look in Andy's Records on Fitzroy St. They're more expensive (normal UK prices), but have a much bigger range of HW. It might be worth looking in their second-hand section (upstairs) as well. Hope to see you at the Brixton gig. Dave. From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Fri Oct 6 11:30:30 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:30:30 +0000 Subject: HW: I'm back too! -Reply Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope to see you at the Brixton gig. Dave. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< thinking of this, who's planning on going; it might be an idea to have a bit of ftfmeatmeet. From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Fri Oct 6 10:28:39 1995 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:28:39 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind: Wolden Studios In-Reply-To: J Strobridge "Re: Hawkwind: Wolden Studios" (Sep 28, 7:42pm) Message-ID: J Strobridge wrote: > For all those enquiring here's the latest address I have for these folk. > Price was still 5.00 each last time I heard (which is a while ago now, I > admit!). > > > ********************************************************************* > > Subject: Wolden Studios (for Weird Tapes) > > > Wolden Studios > Mid Lodge > Landcross > Near Bideford > EX39 5JB > > UK post is 5 pounds each including P & P Does anyone know if they will ship to the U.S. and what the prices would be? Thanks, Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (708) 576-3110 | fax: (708) 576-3240 Save the whales - Collect the whole set! From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Oct 6 10:37:05 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:37:05 -0400 Subject: WOTT I think... In-Reply-To: <9510051400.0hg4@bpalace.com> from "Joseph Brooks" at Oct 5, 95 06:00:57 am Message-ID: > > On Tue 3-Oct-1995 1:26p, Rob Maerz wrote: > > RM> * And again to repeat the omission of Imaginos tracks...the hype in the > RM> booklet but no tracks...an obvious omission being the Stephen King intro > RM> to > RM> Astronomy... > > Hmmm? Stephen King intro? Please explain... > > _ > || \ *jbrooks at bpalace.com "San Diego's > || < *PGP key available Original > |_||_/ *Brokedown Palace BBS 619-596-1974/7419 Grateful BBS" > Now that the power is back on... There was a radio-promo CD released when IMAGINOS came out. It consisted of four versions of "Astronomy"; 2 long (aka album cut) tracks, one with the SK spoken intro and one without; and two radio edit tracks, with/without the SK intro. I forget the exact wording, but it goes like " Imaginos by Blue Oyster Cult. A bedtime story for the children of the damnned" Can't remember what else is said. Found it in a used record store for $5.00 (many years ago). There was another IMAGINOS promo, which I didn't buy at the time, and have _no_ recollection what was on it. Nothing rare or I would have snagged it... Anyone else know what was on ths one? -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Oct 6 15:39:45 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:39:45 BST Subject: HW: I'm back too! -Reply Message-ID: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Hope to see you at the Brixton gig. > > Dave. > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > thinking of this, who's planning on going; it might be an idea to > have a bit of ftfmeatmeet. > Not sure what an ftfmeatmeet is, but if it involves meeting before the gig I may not be able to do it as I'm supposed to be meeting some friends at various places around Londinium in the afternoon. Keep me posted though, just in case. (15 days and counting) Is anyone else thinking of doing Portsmouth and Hastings? bye - Rob From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Fri Oct 6 11:52:11 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:52:11 +0000 Subject: HW: I'm back too! -Reply -Reply Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure what an ftfmeatmeet is, but if it involves meeting bye - Rob <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< yeah, just me trying to be smart-arsed, face-to-face meeting in the meat (as opposed to virtual) ygafw From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Oct 6 10:56:38 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:56:38 +0100 Subject: I'm back too! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, C.E. Anderson wrote: > > > I'm back, or rather--I'm here! Newly installed in Cambridge, England > where my address is: cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk I'm also back, though as I didn't announce my departure no-one will notice I've been gone! But I'm now in London instead of Leeds, where my e-mail address is D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk Dave Hardman From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Oct 6 16:05:05 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:05:05 BST Subject: HW: I'm back too! -Reply -Reply Message-ID: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Not sure what an ftfmeatmeet is, but if it involves meeting > bye - Rob > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > yeah, just me trying to be smart-arsed, face-to-face meeting in the > meat (as opposed to virtual) > > ygafw > Not sure what a ygafw is :), but we'll definately have to meet in the gig. Keep your eye out for the Nethawks t-shirt (FOFP version), how about in front of the Hawkfrendz stand at 7 or 8pm? bye - Rob From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Oct 6 11:22:19 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:22:19 -0400 Subject: HW Alien (I Am) Message-ID: andy asks->>>BTW, re: the line about the eye that looks within... is this track a version of the unreleased cut on the Griffin set? Or vice versa?<<< i don't have this disc yet,but the alien iam i heard on the tour was NOT the eye that looks within that i heard on the box set. rj From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 6 11:49:31 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:49:31 -0400 Subject: BOC: Imaginos Promos Message-ID: Craig asks: >Found it in a used record store for $5.00 (many years ago). There was another IMAGINOS promo, which I didn't buy at the time, and have _no_ recollection what was on it. Nothing rare or I would have snagged it... Anyone else know what was on ths one? The "other" Imaginos promo was "In The Presence of Another World" - it contained the album version and an edited version. Also, in the UK, the Imaginos version of "Astronomy" was also released as a single (may have been promo only, I don't recall) which also had "Magna of Illusion" on it, along with "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" <- why, I'm not sure, but it was the Agents of Fortune version. John From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Oct 6 12:09:36 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 12:09:36 -0400 Subject: Dominance & Submission in stores 10/24 Message-ID: More specific info from Watt re: the Dominance & Submission single-- "The commercial copies ship on > 10/17. The singles will be offically in-store > on 10/24. Sorry for the delay, the printer > screwed up the first set of sleeves..." --DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Oct 6 12:10:00 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 12:10:00 -0400 Subject: Trepanation Questions Message-ID: 1. Even if the sales information was available at this time, we would not release figures to the general public. 2. Trepanation will probably released via another label. But we are still talking to different parties and a deal has not yet been finalized. 3. He did as much as the guy you've never heard of on "Summer of Love"-- It was his title. 4. The Albertron is not a guitar. It's a stringed instrument that sort of looks like two logs with electric pick-ups that Albert dreamed up and built. He plays the strings with chopsticks. Didn't he explain all this to you before? If not, sorry-- but I seem to remember him explaining this very thoroughly to SOMEone. I thought it was on the list. Anyway, the closest thing you might describe the Albertron's general effect to is something like an electric koto. It's the shimmery sound you can't quite place on "Language of Love." That's the Albertron. It's on the very end of "Gimme Nothin" and on "Stones in My Passway." Now that you know what to listen for, you'll be able to hear it wherever else it appears-- I'd have to go pull the records out! We do a lot of tracks and there are a lot of different subtle little effects on each song.... 4. The lead/rhythm work is fairly evenly split. But there are no hard and fast rules about it. It's whatever works for the particular song. And Albert plays whatever slide you hear on these records. --DF From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Fri Oct 6 12:07:54 1995 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 12:07:54 -0400 Subject: BOC Stalk Forrest Group Message-ID: Actually, the S-FG tape is owned by Elektra, not Sony. R. From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Oct 6 17:38:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 17:38:00 BST-1 Subject: HW: I'm back too! -Reply -Reply Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9510061505.AA01079 at etlxd20c> > > Not sure what a ygafw is :), but we'll definately have to meet in > the gig. Keep your eye out for the Nethawks t-shirt (FOFP version), > how about in front of the Hawkfrendz stand at 7 or 8pm? > > bye - Rob I'll definitely be there too - I don't have a Nethawks shirt (!), but I'll probably be wearing my biker jacket with the Egyptian army insignia on the left shoulder. (I'm assuming the Hawkfrendz stand will be near the bar :) We'll also have to organise something for BOC next month. - Andy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 6 12:52:44 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 12:52:44 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Re: Trepanation questions Message-ID: Thanks to Deb for responding to my questions on *Trepanation*. Albert gave me some info on the Albertron, but only that it was made with a few pipes, pickups and strings -- that's why I assumed it worked in some sort of fashion as a guitar. Well, this explanation helps me to understand why Albert said it wasn't likely to show up at a Brain Surgeons' gig! Thanks again for the info, John From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Fri Oct 6 13:00:22 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:00:22 EDT Subject: Atlantic City-1982 (BOC) Message-ID: Bill, you're absolutely right. It was at Bader Field and the Dixie Dregs and Aldo Nova opened for BOC. I'm glad someone else remembers also. Funny thing though, I was there but I'm blocking on the incident you mention with the bicycle. I'm sure my Alzheimer's is kicking in again, but can you elaborate please? Thanks, -Bob in Delaware rkohl at state.de.us From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Oct 6 13:12:23 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:12:23 -0400 Subject: Junk mail on list? Message-ID: Just wondered if other people on this list have been receiving the equivalent of junk snail mail-- posts advertising snake oil tapes, hotel and travel discounts and the like? Dunno whether people are just sending irrelevant mass mailings to newsgroups or lifting personal mailbox addresses from AOL bulletin boards (maybe the best reason yet to cancel the overpriced lousy service). But they're a drag and a bore. Is there a junk mail filter? --DF From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Oct 6 13:37:46 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:37:46 -0400 Subject: Junk mail on list? Message-ID: No junk mail here. Don't forget that the list can only accept mail from subscribed members. So your junk mail must be coming from elsewhere. I hate to hear that this stuff is going on cheers Martyn From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Oct 6 14:15:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 14:15:00 EDT Subject: HW: Moi's review Message-ID: Liked your review, AB. Paul's are good too, but full of velvet. Your criteria for what makes a song good match mine very well. (The songs that struck you most were very informative and could have been my list) This strengthens my conviction in what I said before. So, if you want more live HW that I think you'll like for sure - the Friday Night Rock Show and the Dojo CD of Chronicles of the Black Sword are your best bets (there is song duplication so you have to judge cost vs. benefit). The other live albums are very different in some of the aspects you mention and if you are looking for something in the Live Chronicles vein, they may disappoint. That is not to say they are bad and that you won't appreciate them, but they can be an acquired taste. I'm just trying to answer your question from what I think your perspective is, and not as the hard core HW fan. Maybe between the 2 of us we can raise the standing of "Needle Gun" the next time the poll comes around. I was shocked to see it at about 59. Neither of us had our say before and with the small return, we carry weight. Let's start a Needle Gun conspiracy. To those who would oppose: Feel our pin prick tattoo your spine. BTW- AB, I tried send you this sort of message direct, but the address you have in your directory listing produced: <<< HELO gatekeeper.volpe.dot.gov <<< MAIL From: <<< RCPT To: 550 ... User unknown <<< DATA <<< QUIT Not good for the keeper of the file. Rudy ObCD Spirit: _12 Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus_ (finally figured out what ObCD means) old but it wears it well From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Oct 6 16:17:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:17:00 PDT Subject: Cheap Motorhead? Message-ID: Thanks friends for the recommendations on Motorhead. I had seen some of these in Best Buy and for a reasonable price. But after seeing Keith F.'s post on Nick Riff and being stuck with a $16.50 tab for a cd that sucks I thought mabey there is another way. Ah the good old cut out bin at Kemp Mill Records perhaps I could find some Motorhead in there. Good fortune was with me sort of, in the form of Hellraiser III - Hell On Earth. It contains not one but two Motorhead songs: Hellraiser and Hell On Earth. To boot the soundtrack also has: Triumph, Troblemaker (yum, yum) Ten Inch Men, Go With Me Material Issue, What Girls Want Electric Love Hogs, I feel Like Steve KMFDM, ooh La La Tin Machine, Baby Universal The Soup Dragons, Divine Thing House Of Lords, Down, Down, Down Chainsaw Kittens, Waltzing with a Jaguar Don't know much about the other groups and songs beyond the Triump but I figured $1.99 for a CD so I can finally hear some Motorhead and get a Triumph classic to boot who cares what the rest sounds like. Does anyone know if these are original Motorhead songs or were they written for the movie? It was a good day at the old cutut bin. Also found Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey soundtrack which has Junior's Gone Wild by King's X (This song absolutely rules!), the Reaper by Steve Vai (also the Reaper Rap), Tommy the Cat by Primus, The Perfect Crime by Faith No More, as well as songs by Megadeath, Kiss, Winger, Slaughter, Rhicie Kotzen and Neverland. CD price $3.99. Just for kicks also found cassettes by White Lion, Mane Attraction and Starz, Violation for $.99 and a cd by a group called the Regulators who look like close relatives of Mollly Hatchet and the Outlaws (love the southern fried rock sound). Again thanks for the Motorhead tips, can't wait to get home and spin up the old gyros. A(King of the cut out bin)B From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Oct 6 15:30:15 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 14:30:15 EST Subject: USA HW Newsletter: Strange Trips Message-ID: Just got in my copy of Bob Lennon's "Time and Space Newsletter #1". Basically, it has info about sending in SASEs for free copies of this newsletter; the HW 95 tour; the Nikwind 95 tour; and a bunch about the many new releases from HW and from Cleopatra's crew. The important NEW news he mentions: - Hawkwind 25th Anniversary Party scheduled for August 95 has been cancelled and is now planned for next May. - Griffin will be releasing "Strange Trips &PD" on regular CD and in a digipak identical to the import one. - Griffin gives a tentative date of October 31 for release of: Friends & Relations: Rarities Friends & Relations: Best Of Independent Days I & II Mighty Hawkwind Classics (!!!) - A video is on the way from the Nikwind 95 tour. Last of all, he says that Hawk-US #4 will be out by the end of 1995. Send in 55 cents in US postage (or 4 IRCs) for a copy when it comes out. It will be smaller than the Hawk-US #3 (which IMO was quite huge by fanzine standards). Captain Cloud In heavy, non-stop rotation at my house: Spiral Realms "Crystal Jungles of Eos" Melting Euphoria "Upon Solar Winds" Zero Gravity "Space Does Not Care" Anubian Lights "The Eternal Sky" V/A "Ambient Voids" (w/Nik, Spiral Realms, Z.G.) From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Oct 6 15:36:20 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 14:36:20 EST Subject: Melting euphoria (fwd) Message-ID: >> I've had an IM-POSS-IBLE time >> getting *any* Omnia Opera on CD (or vinyl for that matter > >I got it at Venus Records in NYC back in March I think. > >Can anyone else help? I'm not sure about OO on CD, but Delta Wave used to carry this -- either one or two titles. In addition, right now Jim Collins/Tentacles of Erpland is selling Omnia Opera cassettes (original) from $17 each. He has either 4 or 6 titles available. If you need further info on contacting these guys directly, E-me. Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObBestNewSpaceRockOf1995: Melting Euphoria "Upon Solar Winds" From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 6 15:15:08 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:15:08 -0400 Subject: Junk mail on list? Message-ID: I personally haven't gotten any, but the USENET groups (which AOL can access, I believe -- groups like "alt.rock-n-roll", and the new "alt.music.blueoystercult") seem to get alot of this stuff - every few days some phonex sex service is doing mass postings to numerous groups at once -- a real pain in the ass. But, the internet is no different than anything else - invent a good thing and someone will come along and find a way to f*ck (or should that be duck? ;) ) it up for you. As for filters, I doubt it - since most filters work on either subject line or message source, a filter will work on some stuff, but probably won't filter out most stuff without lots of updating to it. Perhaps someone else could provide more info . . . John From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Oct 6 18:07:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 15:07:00 PDT Subject: HW: Review - Moi? Message-ID: >Thankyou for posting your thougts on the release, and unless you specifically >wish that I don't, I will add your comments to the review page. >Paul -- Feel free to do so Paul, I have no objections. A(newbie)B From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Oct 6 18:18:59 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 18:18:59 -0400 Subject: Underbelly Updates, finally Message-ID: * Stars - more 5 fave bands * Lips - Scopes, Patti Smith, subliminal messages and BOC at Slims * ST - new format, new list Underbelly Online http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Oct 6 18:19:26 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 18:19:26 -0400 Subject: Junk mail on list? Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-06 13:23:58 EDT, you write: >Just wondered if other people on this list have been receiving the equivalent >of junk snail mail-- posts advertising snake oil tapes, hotel and travel >discounts and the like? Dunno whether people are just sending irrelevant mass >mailings to newsgroups or lifting personal mailbox addresses from AOL > bulletin boards (maybe the best reason yet to cancel the overpriced lousy >service). But they're a drag and a bore. Is there a junk mail filter? >--DF > > I only get that crap on Prodigy...I tend to get some oddball Email on AOL from time to time, but not that much... ROBO From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Oct 6 18:31:54 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:31:54 -0600 Subject: Atlantic City-1982 (BOC) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rob in Delaware; Do you remember the date and month of this show? I seem to recall that BOC did a stadium tour with Journey that summer. It was the ETL Tour, wasn't it? Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Oct 7 00:16:02 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 00:16:02 -0400 Subject: HW: Moi's review Message-ID: Hey, I'm with you guys on "Needle Gun". Next time there's a poll, if I'm still around, Chronicle and Live Chronicles are gonna get upped in the standings if I have any say... "Shade Gate" will be a bit higher, as will "Arioch" and all the great tunes from those albums. I'm in with the Chronicles group; it's brilliant. AB's review was great and was especially interesting coming from a new fan... Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Oct 7 00:19:20 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 00:19:20 -0400 Subject: Cheap Motorhead? Message-ID: Well, I don't know about "Hell On Earth", but if you don't like "Hellraiser", don't let it deter you from still checking out older MH. That cut is taken from "March Or Die", a kinda weak (imo) release of '92. Chuck From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Sat Oct 7 09:53:55 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:53:55 +0000 Subject: Melting euphoria (fwd) -Reply Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure about OO on CD, but Delta Wave used to carry this -- either one or two titles. In addition, right now Jim Collins/Tentacles of Erpland is selling Omnia Opera cassettes (original) from $17 each. He has either 4 or 6 titles available. If you need further info on contacting these guys directly, E-me. Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObBestNewSpaceRockOf1995: Melting Euphoria "Upon Solar Winds" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< uh, i should get sponsership money for each time i plug these guys.... delerium records have a OO cd out (self titled), their e-mail address is delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk; i'll also forward info i sent to lisa about nick riff, 'cos it's all the same incl. prices. ygafw From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Sat Oct 7 14:43:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 14:43:00 BST-1 Subject: Cheap Motorhead? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01HW50QNQ4NO922476 at delphi.com> > Well, I don't know about "Hell On Earth", but if you don't like > "Hellraiser", don't let it deter you from still checking out > older MH. That cut is taken from "March Or Die", a kinda weak > (imo) release of '92. > > Chuck Ooh, yeah, that was the album with the ballad with Ozzy, wasn't it? I could take or leave the track "Hellraiser", but the video was brilliant (Lemmy playing poker with Pinhead - I don't know who was scarier!). I'm an old-fashioned MH fan - I prefer the really early albums: _Motorhead_ itself (even though the production is non-existent - see if you can get it on CD with the extra tracks from the sessions, including "On Parole", "City Kids", and ZZ Top's "Beer Drinkers and Hell Raisers"), _Overkill_ and _Bomber_. - Andy From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Oct 7 10:19:27 1995 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 07:19:27 -0700 Subject: Melting euphoria (fwd) -Reply Message-ID: >Uh, i should get sponsership money for each time i plug these >guys.... Then plug a humble list member...:) >delerium records have a OO cd out (self titled), their e-mail address >is delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk; i'll also forward info i sent to lisa >about nick riff, 'cos it's all the same incl. prices. > I should be carrying most all of the Delerium stuff by month's end. Any interest out there??? Wylie From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Oct 7 14:33:25 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 19:33:25 +0100 Subject: looking for Area S4 Message-ID: Alright, I'm getting blank looks from the Cambridge shops when I ask if they have the new Hawkwind CD single (actually, Andy's on Burleigh St. said they would be getting it in, but I'm not sure if I believe them). If anyone wants to pick it up and send it to me, I'd be happy to write a cheque. In other news, I finally acquired a new little stereo unit to serve me on this side of the pond, so I can finally listen to the few CDs I've bought since getting here :) Sundial's _Acid Yantra_ rules, is is a damn sight cheaper here than as in import in the States! Can anyone comment on the worthwhileness of Bevis Frond's _Superseeder_ CD? I saw it around ... Oh, and if anyone sees the _Return Journey_ or _Other Way Out_ CDs from Sundial I'd be happy to deal for those as well :) Cheers, Carl From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Sun Oct 8 13:30:01 1995 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 13:30:01 EDT Subject: HW: Andy Garibaldi, CD-Services. Message-ID: Space greetings Hawkfans ! I've just received a fax from Andy Garibaldi at CD-Services ( At least from Tuesday next week). He told me that he will be moving the Hawkwind mailorder-business to CD-Services with catalouges, mail-lists etc. All his former customers should receive a new list from him at the end of the week. He also mentioned that the business will be on Internet in the near future, which I think sounds great as we have talked about it earlier. You can also reach him by phone 01382-776595 or fax 01382-736702. It also seems like this is something that Doug Smith is very excited about it and he's giving total approval. All the best from Sweden. Henrik 100522.44 at compuserve.com From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Oct 8 13:37:07 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 13:37:07 -0400 Subject: looking for Area S4 Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>Bevis Frond's _Superseeder_ CD? <<<<<<<<<<<<< ANY bevis is good bevis,but this is a sort of return to his earlier styles.does that help? rj From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sun Oct 8 20:34:12 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 20:34:12 BST Subject: HW: Found (was: looking for Area S4) In-Reply-To: C.E. Anderson's message of Sat, 7 Oct 1995 19:33:25 +0100 Message-ID: > Alright, I'm getting blank looks from the Cambridge shops when I > ask if they have the new Hawkwind CD single (actually, Andy's on Burleigh St. > said they would be getting it in, but I'm not sure if I believe them). If > anyone wants to pick it up and send it to me, I'd be happy to write a cheque. > hi Carl I've got a spare copy of Area S4 if you are still looking for one. If you want it could you send me a note of your address? jill PS - on the other hand if you've already found it then this is a general announcement to everyone 8-) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From swann at PHANTOM.COM Sun Oct 8 22:02:06 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 22:02:06 -0400 Subject: Hawkwind Reviews In-Reply-To: <3071E5C9@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, BREVARD Adrian R. wrote: > A quick request from a neophyte Hawkwind fan, will the suscriber who has > been posting reviews please send me a copy directly of the Live Chroniocles > CD. I would greatly appreciate it. I had been contemplating jumping into > the HW music scene for a few months and finally took the plunge with Live > Chronicles. I can only say that it was nothing like what I expected. Now I > want to hear a lot more HW. Live Chronicles, huh? Works every time. ;-) Steve obSUBLIMINALmessage: try _Levitation_ next From swann at PHANTOM.COM Sun Oct 8 22:12:11 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 22:12:11 -0400 Subject: Kyuss Split?? (was Re: BOC in London) In-Reply-To: <9510041004.A11040@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, cjohnson wrote: > Tim wrote some bad news: > >ObBadNews: Kyuss split... :-( > > What's the deal here? I'm supposed to see Kyuss/Monster Magnet on > Saturday night! They CAN'T split! That would really suck. Their album _Welcome to Sky Valley_ is one of my favorites from the last couple of years (for reference, I liked it a lot better than Monster Magnet's _Dopes to Infinity_). Steve From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Oct 9 12:07:33 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:07:33 MEZ Subject: HW: Rock On! Liner notes Message-ID: Thanks to HawkJoe, the Hawkwind Liner notes from the 'Rock On!: Hawkwind/van der Graaf' album are now a WWW page at: http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hwtext/vdgraaf.html Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From siyer at NRC-IRIS.NRC.UAB.EDU Sun Oct 8 11:44:18 1995 From: siyer at NRC-IRIS.NRC.UAB.EDU (Sai Iyer) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 18:44:18 +0300 Subject: HW: Found (was: looking for Area S4) Message-ID: Hey all, just wanna say hi and that i'm back (i left about 4 months ago when i graduated from undergrad - held "high preist" title in "the church of bisphosphate" which was part of my sig file; anywayz, i'm going to grad school now in pursuit of a ph.d in neurobiology - yes, i enjoy the pain;))... >>ask if they have the new Hawkwind CD single (actually, Andy's on Burleigh St. new hawkwind single?? does this mean there's a new hawkwind album out? if so what's the title? i'm sorry if this is redundant, but like i mentioned b4, i've been out of circulation for a while... ========================================================================= >J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk jill, are you situated in edinburgh? i was there in july (traveled all thru scotland for a month - wonderful country and great people - picked up a whole bunch of hawkwind stuff in glasgow...) sai From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Sun Oct 8 23:57:28 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 23:57:28 -0400 Subject: Melting euphoria (fwd) -Reply In-Reply-To: <199510071419.HAA00972@ix.ix.netcom.com> from "William Stone" at Oct 7, 95 07:19:27 am Message-ID: > > >Uh, i should get sponsership money for each time i plug these > >guys.... > > Then plug a humble list member...:) > > >delerium records have a OO cd out (self titled), their e-mail address > >is delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk; i'll also forward info i sent to lisa > >about nick riff, 'cos it's all the same incl. prices. > > > > I should be carrying most all of the Delerium stuff by month's end. > Any interest out there??? > > Wylie > Yes! Yes! DO IT! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Mon Oct 9 02:06:11 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 02:06:11 -0400 Subject: HW: Amon Duul II Message-ID: Hey. Sorry to anyone for whom this is extra clutter, but I don't know where else to ask about ADII. Picked up "Vive La Trance" today; sounded okay after one cursory listen. This place has two more ADII albums available: "Made In Germany" and "Still Alive" (I think that's the right title). I wanna hear from the Duulists out there if these two are worth checking out? How do they compare to old stuff? (I have Phallus Dei, Wolf City, Carnival, Trace, of course.) A few other scattered notes. Also seen "Flight Of The Lemmings" elsewhere, but it's kinda expensive... Looks interesting. When was "Carnival In Babylon" released? Thanks, Chuck From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Oct 9 03:47:44 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 08:47:44 +0100 Subject: BOC in London) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've missed about a week's worth of messages because I was temporarily unsubbed. What's this about BOC in London? Is this old stuff or are BOC doing some shows over here? Dave From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 9 04:15:29 1995 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:15:29 +0100 Subject: Area S4 Message-ID: Well what can I say Alien (am i) and Sputnik Sam have got to be the best Hw songs since the Electric Tepee album. Alan's bass playing on Sputnik Sam is some of his best. The track is Monster and I cannot wait to hear this live. If this E.P is an indication of the forthcoming album well...I'm well happy :-) Of course knowing HW i'll reserve judgement until the thing is on the record player. Derrick... --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk Talk Waylander at 147.188.64.112 "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. --------------------------------------------- From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Oct 9 09:31:40 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:31:40 BST Subject: Area S4 Message-ID: > > Well what can I say Alien (am i) and Sputnik Sam have got to be the best Hw > songs since the Electric Tepee album. Alan's bass playing on Sputnik Sam is > some of his best. The track is Monster and I cannot wait to hear this live. > If this E.P is an indication of the forthcoming album well...I'm well happy > I bought the vinyl version on Saturday, the label says play at 45rpm so I did, listening to Alien at this speed and thinking it was alright. Then when Sputnik Stan started I realised that I was supposed to be playing it at 33rpm. Alien still sounded good, though. I like the cover art, too. cheers - Rob From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Mon Oct 9 09:29:25 1995 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:29:25 BST Subject: HW Friday 13th........5 days and counting! Message-ID: Hello, I'm going to the Lancaster gig on Friday. Anyone else going? From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Oct 9 09:44:20 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:44:20 BST Subject: Area S4 In-Reply-To: Derrick Chilton's message of Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:15:29 +0100 Message-ID: > If this E.P is an indication of the forthcoming album well...I'm well happy And if the rest of the album is "ambient crap"(TM), and you just want the rock tracks, you don't have to buy the album :-). (I will - I like the "ambient crap"(TM)...). ObCDs: System 7 (I presume it's their first, since it doesn't seem to have a title); Stephan Micus, "Listen To The Rain" (ambient ECM crap :-)). Dave. From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 9 04:43:02 1995 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:43:02 +0100 Subject: Area S4 Message-ID: > I bought the vinyl version on Saturday, the label says play at > 45rpm so I did, listening to Alien at this speed and thinking it > was alright. Then when Sputnik Stan started I realised that I > was supposed to be playing it at 33rpm. > Alien still sounded good, though. I like the cover art, too. > > cheers - Rob Your right I played it at 45 yes it did sound good with the High pitched alien vocals ... The version of Death Trap was interesting but I did not think much of the last song Losing my mind? Derrick --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk Talk Waylander at 147.188.64.112 "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. --------------------------------------------- From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Oct 9 09:49:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:49:00 BST-1 Subject: BOC in London) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > I've missed about a week's worth of messages because I was temporarily > unsubbed. What's this about BOC in London? Is this old stuff or are BOC > doing some shows over here? > > Dave You unsubscribe for a week and you miss everything :) It's an actual gig! Nov 9th at the Forum. Only UK date (according to the ad in Time Out). See you there! - Andy From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Oct 9 09:49:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:49:00 BST-1 Subject: HW: Amon Duul II Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01HW7X1SIMAG8ZIFGO at delphi.com> Chuck asks about: > "Made In Germany" and "Still Alive" (I think that's the right _Almost Alive_? Quite nice, but it has the cleaner, later, sound (like, _HiJack_ or _Pyragony X_) rather than the spacier early sound most fans prefer. _Made in Germany_ is a concept album (be still my beating heart!) about being German - some very good stuff, it's rather a transitional album form the earlier to later sound. Has one of my favourite lyrics: "Crawl round the blue grotto/Arm in arm with brother Otto"). > A few other scattered notes. Also seen "Flight Of The > Lemmings" elsewhere, but it's kinda expensive... Looks > interesting. _Dance of the Lemmings_? Brilliant, essential! > When was "Carnival In Babylon" released? 1972. - Andy From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Oct 9 09:52:14 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:52:14 BST Subject: HW: Moi's review In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Fri, 6 Oct 1995 14:15:00 EDT Message-ID: > Liked your review, AB. Paul's are good too, but full of velvet. Your > criteria for what makes a song good match mine very well. > The other live albums > are very different in some of the aspects you mention and if you are looking > for something in the Live Chronicles vein, they may disappoint. How about "This Is Hawkwind: Do Not Panic"? This has Huwy on lead, is fairly guitar-heavy, and has some reasonable songs - Psy Power, Levitation, Space Chase, Death Trap, Shot Down In The Night. The only song that is also on Live Chronicles is Angels Of Death, and this is the all-time killer version. Alternatively, I'd echo Steve and say go with Levitation. There is some overlap between these two albums (Levitation, Space Chase, The Fifth Second Of Forever). Dave. From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Oct 9 09:59:11 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:59:11 BST Subject: HW:Re: Area S4 Message-ID: > > Your right I played it at 45 yes it did sound good with the High pitched > alien vocals ... > The version of Death Trap was interesting but I did not think much of the > last song Losing my mind? > > Derrick > Losing My Mind is just a re-working of the Iron Dream from Q,S&C which was originally credited to Simon House, I think it's a bit unfair for him to not be credited on the new EP. bye - Rob From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Oct 9 05:12:16 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 10:12:16 +0100 Subject: BOC in London) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Andy, Do you have a phone number for the Forum Box Office? Where is the Forum? Dave From etljegl at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Oct 9 10:42:58 1995 From: etljegl at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Jason Gool) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 10:42:58 BST Subject: BOC-L Digest - 4 Oct 1995 to 5 Oct 1995 - Special issue Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:50:34 -0400 > From: CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY > Subject: Re: BOC in London > > >Thursday Nov 9 at the Forum. Only UK show. Tickets 13.50 BO tel > >0171-344 0044. > > >- Andy > > I just don't bloody well believe it. > I wait 6 and a half years between BOC concerts (last time > Portsmouth 15th March 1989) and they schedule a gig when > there's a very, very high possibility I'm working out of > the country. > > Well I'll just go home and spend the evening crying into > my beer. > > .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com. > > Ob Young Ones quote: "This is worse than my birthday" - Neil. > > ------------------------------ > Don't despair just yet. I've just phoned the Forum to book tickets and they say its been re-scheduled to the 13th of December. Cheers, Jas. From gbga1j7g at IBMMAIL.COM Mon Oct 9 06:14:55 1995 From: gbga1j7g at IBMMAIL.COM (Mr R Sapiano GBGENAC1 Corp Risks UK (Prop)) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 06:14:55 EDT Subject: BOC: New Date, It's Official Message-ID: Hi Cats Yep, I can confirm new date for BOC is Wednesday 13th December. The Forum is on Kentish Town Rd - nearest tube Kentish Town, turn right as you exit and it's 300yds or so up the road on the left - and I have 0171 284 2200 as the number for it. Tickets are L13.50 (face value) but Ticketbastard add L2.30 per ticket to cover their costs. I tried Stargreen who do the same (0171 734 8932). I didn't try Premier (0171 240 0771) or London Ticket Bookings (0171 439 3371). If you can get to the Forum box office or any other Mean Fiddler venue you should be able to purchase the tickets minus any booking fee. See you there. Richard London R Sapiano From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 9 06:15:36 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 11:15:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Moi's review In-Reply-To: <11295.9510090852@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Oct 9, 95 09:52:14 am Message-ID: > How about "This Is Hawkwind: Do Not Panic"? This has Huwy on lead, is fairly > guitar-heavy, and has some reasonable songs - Psy Power, Levitation, Space > Chase, Death Trap, Shot Down In The Night. > Alternatively, I'd echo Steve and say go with Levitation. There is some > overlap between these two albums (Levitation, Space Chase, The Fifth Second > Of Forever). The live "Levitation" on _TIH:DNP_ is better than the studio version IMHO, but the rendition of "Shot Down in the Night" thereon can't touch the _Live '79_ version. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 9 06:17:52 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 11:17:52 +0100 Subject: Melting euphoria (fwd) -Reply In-Reply-To: <9510090357.AA01284@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> from "Craig Shipley" at Oct 8, 95 11:57:28 pm Message-ID: > > >delerium records have a OO cd out (self titled), their e-mail address > > >is delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk > > > > I should be carrying most all of the Delerium stuff by month's end. > > Any interest out there??? > > Yes! Yes! DO IT! Hey, er, I've been out of touch for a bit, but aren't Delerium the same folks as Freakbeat/Freak Emporium. The stuff on their label is quite worthwhile ... Cheers, Carl From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Oct 9 06:50:08 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 11:50:08 +0100 Subject: BOC: New Date, It's Official In-Reply-To: <199510091011.GAA24491@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: > Yep, I can confirm new date for BOC is Wednesday 13th December. > > The Forum is on Kentish Town Rd - nearest tube Kentish Town, turn right as you > exit and it's 300yds or so up the road on the left - and I have 0171 284 2200 > as the number for it. > Yowser!! Got my tickets sorted: see you there folks! Dave From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Mon Oct 9 06:57:57 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 06:57:57 -0400 Subject: BOC-L - $ Oct BACK Message-ID: Last week I posted: >> >Thursday Nov 9 at the Forum. Only UK show. Tickets 13.50 BO tel >> >0171-344 0044. >> >> >- Andy >> >> I just don't bloody well believe it. >> I wait 6 and a half years between BOC concerts (last time >> Portsmouth 15th March 1989) and they schedule a gig when >> there's a very, very high possibility I'm working out of >> the country. >> >> Well I'll just go home and spend the evening crying into >> my beer. >> >> .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com. >> Then Jas wrote: >Don't despair just yet. I've just phoned the Forum to book tickets >and they say its been re-scheduled to the 13th of December. Thanks for your kind words, but I'm obviously feted not to ever see them again. I managed to suggest that my trip abroad be put back a week until the week starting 12th Oct. So all weekend I was happy, knowing I could see them after all only to get to work this morning and the rest is history (like my chances of ever seeing them again. I bet this is all Steve Schenk's fault. (correct spelling?) .......Charlie. Ob Victor Meldrew quote: I don't bloody believe it. From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Oct 9 14:27:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 14:27:00 BST-1 Subject: HW: Brixton Academy Message-ID: Not officially on topic, but for those who care, the Academy has been bought by the Break for the Border Group, who as well as running the eponymous restaurant, run the Borderline and the Shepherd's Bush Empire. So it's safe for music for the foreseeable future! They actually bid quite a bit less than the Brazilian evangelists, but the vendors did the right thing! Amazing! - Andy From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Oct 9 09:48:16 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 14:48:16 +0100 Subject: CYM & Area S4 Message-ID: > I bought the vinyl version on Saturday, the label says play at > 45rpm so I did, listening to Alien at this speed and thinking it > was alright. Then when Sputnik Stan started I realised that I > was supposed to be playing it at 33rpm. > Alien still sounded good, though. I like the cover art, too. > > cheers - Rob > Hi Rob, I sent the _CYM_ off today - finally. I'll guess you'll receive it in the end of this week. Is there any possibilitys you can buy me the vinyl of Alien & Area S4, and send it with the _Electric Teepe_ vinyl? If so, how do I pay you the easiest way? bye - \\joe From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Mon Oct 9 10:22:20 1995 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 10:22:20 -0400 Subject: HW: Amon Duul II Message-ID: >From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM > Picked up "Vive La Trance" today; sounded okay after one >cursory listen. This place has two more ADII albums available: >"Made In Germany" and "Still Alive" (I think that's the right >title). I wanna hear from the Duulists out there if these two >are worth checking out? How do they compare to old stuff? (I >have Phallus Dei, Wolf City, Carnival, Trace, of course.) _Made In Germany_ was made while they were still good. _Still Alive_ is from the "past their peak" period. _Made In Germany_ was a double album in Germany that got cut down to a single LP for American release. The only CD issue I've seen was the single LP version. > A few other scattered notes. Also seen "Flight Of The >Lemmings" elsewhere, but it's kinda expensive... Looks >interesting. "Flight Of The Lemmings"? Do you mean _Dance Of The Lemmings_? That's another good one. As for the expense, it is a double album. There was a compilation called _Lemmingsmania_ that contained a few rare tracks, but I've never seen that on CD. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre at pa.msu.edu From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Mon Oct 9 11:23:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 10:23:00 -0500 Subject: Melting euphoria (fwd) -Reply Message-ID: Wylie, I am interested in any of the Delerium stuff you can get a good prices.. Scott Dead Flowers rules...... you will soon be able to check them out on my web page.. From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Mon Oct 9 11:09:28 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 16:09:28 +0100 Subject: BOC @ Forum Message-ID: > >Don't despair just yet. I've just phoned the Forum to book tickets > >and they say its been re-scheduled to the 13th of December. Wonderful!! My birthday! Doesn't get much better does it? Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Oct 9 11:11:41 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 16:11:41 +0100 Subject: BOC @ Forum In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 09 Oct 1995 16:09:28 BST." <9510091609.aa05161@madge1.dev.madge.com> Message-ID: > > >Don't despair just yet. I've just phoned the Forum to book tickets > > >and they say its been re-scheduled to the 13th of December. > > Wonderful!! My birthday! Most foolish for saying this Jason. You now realise that you're buying the first boc-l round at the bar ! :-) Seconded anyone ? Tim From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Oct 9 11:34:18 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 11:34:18 -0400 Subject: BOC @ Forum Message-ID: >> > >Don't despair just yet. I've just phoned the Forum to book tickets >> > >and they say its been re-scheduled to the 13th of December. >> >> Wonderful!! My birthday! > >Most foolish for saying this Jason. You now realise that you're buying the >first boc-l round at the bar ! :-) >Seconded anyone ? Naaaah. I think you have got this exactly assbackwards. Jason should get drinks bought for him all night in honor of his birthday M From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Mon Oct 9 12:02:41 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 17:02:41 +0100 Subject: BOC @ Forum In-Reply-To: <9510091534.AA06297@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Oct 9, 95 11:34:18 am Message-ID: > Naaaah. I think you have got this exactly assbackwards. > Jason should get drinks bought for him all night in honor of his > birthday > > M Haha! ... and then I can collapse in an alcoholic hazy singing Don't fear (the reaper). Hope to see all of the UK contigent of BOC-L at the Forum. Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Oct 9 12:10:42 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:10:42 -0400 Subject: BOC @ Forum In-Reply-To: <9510091702.aa07652@madge1.dev.madge.com> from "Jason O'Broin" at Oct 9, 95 05:02:41 pm Message-ID: Jason O'Broin writes: > Hope to see all of the UK contigent of BOC-L at the Forum. Wot, even the non-BOC fans?!?!? Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _The Auntie Winnie Album_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Oct 9 10:56:56 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 15:56:56 +0100 Subject: HW: Brixton Academy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That's interesting about the Brixton Academy, I though the deal with the God Squad was all signed, sealed and delivered, but obviously not... Dave From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Oct 9 11:20:42 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 16:20:42 +0100 Subject: Mike Watt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I recently bought Mike Watt's album "Ball Hog or Tug Boat", simply because I kept noticing his name being mentioned on this mailing list. But what actually is his connection with BOC/HW (if any)? Dave From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 9 12:12:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:12:00 PDT Subject: More Cheap Motorhead Message-ID: >Well, I don't know about "Hell On Earth", but if you don't like >"Hellraiser", don't let it deter you from still checking out >older MH. That cut is taken from "March Or Die", a kinda weak >(imo) release of '92. >Chuck ======================================= Actually I liked Heallraiser a bit more than Hell On Earth. Ozzy co-wrote the song and while it smacks of death metal ( a form I can live without) Lemmy's bass playing is terrific. As a former bass palyer (never was very good at it) I can appreciate talent and I think Lemmy is pretty full of talent. As luck would have it I stumbled across some more Lemmy for a really decent price ($2.99) a tape from Caldor's its called the collector series with the Motorhead title of Welcome to the Bear Trap. Castle Communications distributed the tape and qoutes other titles availbale in this series from Uriah Heep, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest and Hawkwind. Play list as follows: Motorhead (Live) Overkill Talking Head Rock It Iron Fist I got Mine Steal Your Face (We Are) The Road Crew Snaggletooth Stay Clean Iron Horse (Live) One Track Mind Speedfreak Loser (Dopn't Nee) Religion Stone Dead Forever Sweet Revenge Capricorn Love Me Like A Reptile Ace of Spades I think this is more demonstrative of what Lemmy and Motorhead sound like. The slower songs appealed to me more. Still my overall impression is that Lemmy has the talent to create far better music than this. The tape alternates between speed and death metal with some plain good rock and roll in between. Lemmy IMHO would be larger if he played a more mainstream brand of rock & roll. I hope I don't piss off any of MH's fans or fans of either genere but thats just the way I feel about his music. Bottom line I like Lemmy and Motorhead but not enough to go out and start building a collection. One final thought, on the live cuts I could not help but notice a strange similarity between Lemmy and Doug Pinnick (bass player for King's X), Doug has been known to favor the real heavy hitters and it appears to me that a lot of Lemmy has rubbed off on Doug. I'll have to ask the King's X list if anyone knows of any connection between the two. 5 in the Player recently Stages (Live) - Triumph - (for positive inspiration) Welcome to the Bear Trap - Motorhead (to get a real feel for the master of four strings) Bill & Ted II Soundtrack (Steve Vai and King's X make this a good one) Mane Attraction - White Lion ( In the vein of Y&T) Animal Insticnts - Gary Hoey (in anticipation of the new Hoey release 10/10) A(the don't quit your day job reviewer)B From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Oct 9 14:01:07 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 14:01:07 -0400 Subject: TShirt update? Message-ID: haven't heard what the status is on the BOC-L Ts.... ROBO From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 9 15:27:07 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 15:27:07 -0400 Subject: BOC: Comments/questions to Sony Message-ID: I recently sent some e-mail to Sony, giving them some brief comments on WOTT, and asking them some questions about future releases. If I get any (intelligent) responses, I'll let you all know. John From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Oct 9 15:29:10 1995 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:29:10 -0700 Subject: Delerium Stuff, final word... Message-ID: Okay lads and lasses. Let me know which titles ya'll want and I shall endeavor to fulfill your desire... Wylie From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 9 16:51:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 13:51:00 PDT Subject: BOC @ Forum/Have Fun Message-ID: To all BOC fans on the other side of the great lake: Hope you all get to enjoy the show, may their (BOC) stay in Europe be succesful and enjoyable for all. AB PS Happy Birhtday and remember to toast with Anchor Steam if you can get it. From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 9 16:55:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 13:55:00 PDT Subject: Cheap Motorhead? Message-ID: ,> and ZZ Top's "Beer Drinkers and Hell Raisers"), Lemmy doing some ZZ Top? Whoa! >_Overkill Heard this one this weekend sounded ok. The collector series I found dosen't specify what song came from what album, bummer. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 9 17:32:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 14:32:00 PDT Subject: BOC @ Forum Message-ID: >Jason O'Broin writes: > Hope to see all of the UK contigent of BOC-L at the Forum. >Wot, even the non-BOC fans?!?!? >Paul. Sure why not Paul. You may find that BOC is quite a band escpecially when you hear them live. Take a flyer; even if you end up not enjoying the show, you'll at least enjoy the company of some fellow list members. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 9 18:50:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 15:50:00 PDT Subject: HW: Moi's review Message-ID: Rudy: Thanks for the note on the review. I am really interested in hearing a lot more HW and have added your suggested cd's to my ever growing list. Probably won't see many more reviews from me though, just don't think I'm as qualified as some of the other writers on this service. Was really suprised by the sounds of Live Chronicles, but I'm not suprised that other HW efforts may sound different. I can live with that as I appreciate a little bit of everything Yes, Floyd, Starcastle, Brand X, Weather Report, Return To Forever, and some old Gentle Giant. Really interested in hearing some of Nik Turner's sax work on live cd's; just love a little sax with my music. Was Lemmy the original HW bass player? Really confused about the connection between him and HW if there really is a connection. Lastly, straight up on Needle Gun, man I love that song. A(priming my needle gun)B From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 9 18:50:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 15:50:00 PDT Subject: TShirt update? Message-ID: >haven't heard what the status is on the BOC-L Ts.... >ROBO Ooops how embarassing. Hey Bob with the autographed Godzilla, Underbelly On-line contians the address to order a BOC T-Shirt. Another ROBO plug methinks. AB From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Oct 9 19:11:58 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 18:11:58 EST Subject: HW: Moi's review Message-ID: ABrevard writes: >Really interested in hearing some of Nik Turner's sax work on cd's >just love a little sax with my music. Well, you might be disappointed listening to Nik's sax. *IMO*, he does NOT know how to play the sax (but then, neither do I!) If I remember correctly, the BOC-L consensus was that Nik's saxophone sounded like an "asthmatic waterfowl". :-) However, Nik is a GREAT flute player. He just didn't seem to play it as often as that damn sax. You might try HW's "Warrior on the Edge of Time" as a great musical album, with some good flute from Nik and great electric violin from Simon House (a TRUE virtuoso). >Was Lemmy the original HW bass player? Really confused about the >connection between him and HW if there really is a connection. There is def a connection. Lemmy tore it up on several *early* HW albums, notably "Space Ritual Alive", "Doremi Fasol Latido", "In Search of Space", "Hall of the Mountain Grill", and the aforementioned "Warrior OTEOT". Right after this period (1976?) was when Lemmy was canned from HW following a drug-related dispute with the Canadian customs officials. Lemmy immediately formed his own band, named after the last (?) song he wrote with HW -- MOTORHEAD!! And that's where he's been, ever since... Captain Cloud From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Mon Oct 9 20:39:12 1995 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 17:39:12 -0700 Subject: HW: Moi's review In-Reply-To: <9510091811.A11099@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Oct 9, 95 06:11:58 pm Message-ID: > >Really interested in hearing some of Nik Turner's sax work on cd's > >just love a little sax with my music. His sax playing fits in with some of the music, but on the whole isn't really great as far as sax playing goes. > > >Was Lemmy the original HW bass player? Really confused about the > >connection between him and HW if there really is a connection. > > There is def a connection. Lemmy tore it up on several *early* HW > albums, notably "Space Ritual Alive", "Doremi Fasol Latido", "In > Search of Space", "Hall of the Mountain Grill", and the > aforementioned "Warrior OTEOT". The back of my _In Search of Space_ lists Dave Anderson for bass, not Lemmy. Although I think it sounds a bit Lemmyish. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative The Gnome Home Page From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Tue Oct 10 01:04:41 1995 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:04:41 -0800 Subject: Mike Watt Message-ID: >I recently bought Mike Watt's album "Ball Hog or Tug Boat", simply >because I kept noticing his name being mentioned on this mailing list. >But what actually is his connection with BOC/HW (if any)? It seems that Albert Bouchard of BOC has played live with Watt and is on a recently released single of a BOC song covered by Mike Watt. That's my understanding. "I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the sort of person I'm preaching to." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Oct 10 00:48:46 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 00:48:46 -0400 Subject: HW: Amon Duul II Message-ID: Thanks to Andy and John for the ADII replies. I'll consider Made In Germany. Almost Alive, too, if I get to the point where I gotta have any ADII I can get... Dance Of The Lemmings? I'm not surprised I got the title wrong. I knew it was a double, but still...gonna have to wait on that, too. This Vive La Trance is very good. I hear a few tunes on here which are very Hawkish... Chuck From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Oct 10 01:11:48 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 06:11:48 +0100 Subject: HW: Amon Duul II Message-ID: > Thanks to Andy and John for the ADII replies. I'll consider >Made In Germany. Almost Alive, too, if I get to the point where >I gotta have any ADII I can get... Dance Of The Lemmings? I'm >not surprised I got the title wrong. I knew it was a double, >but still...gonna have to wait on that, too. > This Vive La Trance is very good. I hear a few tunes on here >which are very Hawkish... no one has mentioned the double gem _Yeti_ yet... it's from 1970, and he who handles the bass is Dave Anderson _Yeti_ is the first album that comes to my mind when I hear the name 'Amon Duul II' >Chuck cheers - \\joe hawkjoe at eka.ericsson.se '...maa dina fienders skaegg vaexa inaat' ;^) From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Oct 10 01:18:22 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:18:22 -0400 Subject: HW: Moi's review Message-ID: Same here, about Lemmy on ISOS. No go. I got Anderson and it doesn't sound much like the Lemmer to me. I think Lemmy joined in '71, but in time for "Silver Machine" and everything on and up to Warrior... Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Oct 10 01:33:03 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:33:03 -0400 Subject: More Cheap Motorhead Message-ID: That's a monster Motorhead compilation you got there, AB. It's got just about everything that's on a cassette I have that was put out by Castle Cummunications called The Collection. And then some. Anyway, here's what's from what: 1.Talking Head and Stone Dead Forever are from "Bomber". ('79) 2.Overkill, Stay Clean and Capricorn are from "Overkill". ('79) 3.We Are (The Road Crew), Love Me Like A Reptile and Ace Of Spades are from "Ace Of Spades". ('80) 4.Motorhead live and Iron Horse live are most likely from "No Sleep 'Till Hammersmith". ('81) 5.Iron Fist, One Track Mind, Speedfreak, Loser and (Don't Need) Religion are from "Iron Fist". ('82) 6.Rock It and I Got Mine are from "Another Perfect Day". ('83) 7.Steal Your Face and Snaggletooth are from "No Remorse" ('84). As for Lemmy playing music he doesn't like for more commercial success...well, I won't comment on that. :) Chuck From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Oct 10 01:36:02 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:36:02 -0400 Subject: TShirt update? Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-09 17:51:23 EDT, you write: >>haven't heard what the status is on the BOC-L Ts.... > >>ROBO > >Ooops how embarassing. Hey Bob with the autographed Godzilla, Underbelly >On-line contians the address to order a BOC T-Shirt. Another ROBO plug >methinks. > >AB > > uh...I was just wondering how far along we were w/ the BOC-L t-shirts...but, now that you mention it, there is ordering info on UO for the Godzilla Tshirt... ROBO From moriaud at AMLEMAN.EHQMTS.GEO.MTS.DEC.COM Tue Oct 10 06:27:03 1995 From: moriaud at AMLEMAN.EHQMTS.GEO.MTS.DEC.COM (Moriaud Jean-Charles) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:27:03 +0100 Subject: BOC @ Forum/Have Fun Message-ID: Waooow, BOC in Europe. This will be my second BOC show after the one in Lausanne (Switzerland) twelve years ago... I have already booked for the London show... I just can't wait... A wish, if only they could play "Veterans of Psychic wars"... Hope to see the other european list members there... I'm ordering a Tshirt right away... ___________________________________________________________ Jean-Charles Moriaud Digital Equipment Corporation 12, av. des Morgines Tel: +41 22 709 49 79 1213 Petit-Lancy-Geneva-Switzerland Fax: +41 22 709 41 40 Inet: jean-charles.moriaud at geo.mts.dec.com X.400: c=ch; a=arcom; p=digital; o=digital; ou=geo ___________________________________________________________ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Oct 10 07:52:09 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 07:52:09 -0400 Subject: Mike Watt Message-ID: >I recently bought Mike Watt's album "Ball Hog or Tug Boat", simply >because I kept noticing his name being mentioned on this mailing list. >But what actually is his connection with BOC/HW (if any)? It seems that Albert Bouchard of BOC has played live with Watt and is on a recently released single of a BOC song covered by Mike Watt. That's my understanding. Yes - also, Mike Watt has often mentioned BOC as one of his main influences. He has done "The Red & The Black" live for years, first with The Minutemen, then with fIREHOSE. And, in short time we will have him doing a cover of "Dominance and Submission" with the famous brothers Bouchard. John D From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 10 13:28:41 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:28:41 BST Subject: TShirt update? In-Reply-To: Rob Maerz's message of Mon, 9 Oct 1995 14:01:07 -0400 Message-ID: Rob Maerz writes: > haven't heard what the status is on the BOC-L Ts.... > > ROBO This is the current status. I've been busy teaching this week so I didn't get out to the printshop. However unless those who still aren't listed as paid confirm by the end of the week that the money is en route then it'll go ahead without them. Bill: still no sign of it. Just claim the insurance and I'll cover you until we get things sorted out. 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Anderson) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 14:04:55 +0100 Subject: More Cheap Motorhead In-Reply-To: <01HW9A724DH094K0K2@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Oct 10, 95 01:33:03 am Message-ID: > 5.Iron Fist, One Track Mind, Speedfreak, Loser and (Don't Need) > Religion are from "Iron Fist". ('82) > 6.Rock It and I Got Mine are from "Another Perfect Day". ('83) Well, actually I believe "One Track Mind" (great song) is also from _Another Perfect Day_. Cheers, Carl From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Tue Oct 10 09:49:38 1995 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:49:38 -0400 Subject: [GrifMus@aol.com: Re: Simon House] Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 17:11:04 -0400 From: GrifMus at aol.com To: david at pharlap.ci.com Subject: Re: Simon House Yes, We are going to release Simon House's Yassassim domestically in early December of this year. Watch for it... Thanks much for your inquiry. Griffin Comm Services David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) So storm through the barricades and raise your hands up high All of you pull down your walls, help those too scared to try Don't let them tell you it's only a dream, for never to dream is to die. Don't close your eyes. - "For Your Eyes" - ARAGON From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Oct 10 15:22:15 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:22:15 BST Subject: HW: USA Newsletter: Strange Trips In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Fri, 6 Oct 1995 14:30:15 EST Message-ID: > Captain Cloud > > Spiral Realms "Crystal Jungles of Eos" So how does this compare with "Trip To G9"? Dave. From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 10 16:42:14 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:42:14 BST Subject: NetHawks t-shirts update In-Reply-To: Brian "AGENT GORDON COLE" Atkins's message of Thu, 21 Sep 1995 11:25:29 -0400 Message-ID: Brian "AGENT GORDON COLE" Atkins writes: > I'll come up with the money this week and mail it off. Don't let > the ship leave without me! ;-) Any update on this? Nothing's arrived at my end. Cheers FoFP From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Oct 10 15:22:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:22:00 EDT Subject: HW: Business Trip Review Message-ID: Thought I'd try my hand at this review stuff. I recently got _The Business Trip_ and was quite impressed. Naturally, this is my opinion only. Rudy *************** The BUSINESS TRIP (CD) Three guys (Dave Brock, Alan Davy, & Richard Chadwick) are in a line of work that takes them away from home from time to time. The Electric Teepee was touring the UK in Nov. of '93 and they decided to make a memento to the trip to back up their travel expense vouchers. These are 3 seasoned professionals doing what they do best - Bringing a bit of space to your place. GENERAL IMPRESSIONS The sound is really great. Some of the clearest vocals of any Hawkwind album. The mix is mighty fine and brings forth some strong bass and drum work that could have been buried. There is a tightness to the music that I like very much. A lot of this probably has to do with the 3 man line up. The sound is a tad more spare than other live stuff, but all essential Hawkwind is there. (Compare "Void of Golden Light" on this and on _Palace Springs_ for a specific example) I'm amazed that just 3 guys crank out that much noise. That may account for the tight sound. It must take a lot of concentration to do these songs and every note/sound has to count. In that sense, this is a very business like album. This is a business era of lean and mean and Hawkwind has definitely captured the spirit. There is no waste; what is there works hard for maximum effect. The leanness means that the vocals, bass lines, and drums have to carry their weight, and they do. There are marvelous little bass runs that pop out and the drums just power along at key times. Brock's guitar work is masterful and the synths provide the backdrop and odd bits you would expect. For the most part, the music never stops and it's fun to see when the audience, the CD player, and the listener think a song has ended. They don't always agree. It is also a good mix of old and new material. Calvert days to songs that hint at _White Zone_ are all here. SPECIFICS Quark, Strangeness, and Charm - An old gem in a completely new setting. The lyrics are the same, but their delivery and everything else is new. Not as quirky as the original, but the strangeness and charm is still there. If you liked the original, you will like this one. If you hated the original, you will like this one. The Day the Wall Fell Down - It's a clear, starry, moonless night on the Veldt. The tribe is gathered about the leaping bonfire and the shaman's powders are beginning to bite home. The drummers begin their hypno groove and they are really on tonight. Other musicians and sounds from beyond tug at your being, but the drum beat (backed by synths) grabs your core. You have to join the ritual dance. OR This is Euro tekno pop at it's very best. Either way you can't sit still during this one. My favorite track on this album. The Camera That Could Lie & Right to Decide - For those who need social relevance in a good tune, you are covered. The former is about video surveillance that is being done in UK cities. The latter is about political freedom. Both are from the Electric Teepee and well received by the audiences. "Right to Decide" has the only chat on the album. Right Stuff - A snide swipe at those American icons, the early astronauts. Cut from the "Uncle Sams on Mars" cloth (see PXR5 review) and about the same era. The boys even mimic their rawer sound from that time. Sherman, set the way back machine for Space Ritual. There are some of the spacy songs and the mellow out tunes that are near ambients here too. Fortunately, they are pretty good and not too long. Biggest comment would be placement. For example, the tempo downshifts much too quickly after "The Day the Wall Fell Down" into a nice song. I still wanted to grind. SUMMARY Get this one! If you like any Hawkwind, there is something for you here. Fortunately, they didn't have time or staff on stage to do the bad things they could have. Most impressive musical skills and lack of gimmicks. As a first ever listener, this would be good one to test your interest level. Rudy From bfreitas at WEBB.PVT.K12.CA.US Tue Oct 10 15:41:38 1995 From: bfreitas at WEBB.PVT.K12.CA.US (Bill Freitas @ The Webb Schools) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:41:38 -0700 Subject: Atlantic City-1982 (BOC) Message-ID: >Rob in Delaware; > >Do you remember the date and month of this show? I seem to recall that >BOC did a stadium tour with Journey that summer. It was the ETL Tour, >wasn't it? One thing that I recall about this show is that things seemed kinda strained between the guys in the band. As I recall, they all arrived in separate Winnebago-type things... Bill. bfreitas at webb.pvt.k12.ca.us From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Oct 10 18:51:37 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:51:37 EST Subject: HW: USA Newsletter: Strange Trips Message-ID: >> Spiral Realms "Crystal Jungles of Eos" > >So how does this compare with "Trip To G9"? > >Dave. If you liked "Trip to G9", you're going to like "Crystal Jungles of Eos" even better! Essentially it is more of the same atmospheric mood music at a _slightly_ faster tempo IMO, except that this time you can hear more of Simon's violin. Each of the songs seems to have more structure than some of the pieces on "Trip..", with distinct musical passages standing out more. There are also a few samples on "Jungles.."; the opening track sounds like communications between the control tower and one of NASA's space ships. Several of the songs sound like Simon circa "Warrior otEoT", with a strong flavor of "Wind of Change" or "Spiral Galaxy 28948". I do not know if Len Del Rio has had more input this time around, or if it was the addition of Del Dettmar that helped make the difference, but this is DEF one of the best Space/Atmospheric albums I have heard in the past year. It even beats Anubian Lights, which I thought was a quite excellent example of the same kind of music, put together by many of the same people for a different reason. A.L. tells a story of sorts, with some passages that appear to be extended seques between instrumentals. Both of the Spiral Realms CDs have more emphasis on working a musical idea out, and then going on to the next idea, whereas A.L. contains a slight amount of ambient filler. Of course, all of this is working from memory. Both CDs are at home and I am at work; but, I *have* listened to this a score of times in the last two weeks... 8^) Captain Cloud P.S. Perhaps some UK-er can compare "Jungles.." with "Yassassim"? I don't know if I can wait until December to get my copy from Griffin! From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue Oct 10 17:56:32 1995 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:56:32 -0500 Subject: HW: One more Live In-Reply-To: M Holmes "Re: HW: One more Live" (Oct 5, 6:58pm) Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > Martyn White writes: > > > >I forgot this in the last post. Friday Night Rock Sessions is rated by FoFP > > Is this the CD that the BBC put out on the raw fruit label and > > which has a tough looking gal weilding a machine gun on the front? > > That was meant to be a gal? Good question. Let's look at the evidence. Points FOR the person being a female: 1) long, flowing hair 2) feminine facial features (high cheekbones, nice eyebrows) 3) bright red lipstick 4) lack of body hair 5) earrings Points AGAINST the person being a female: 1) obvious blood-lust 2) bulging muscles 3) earrings The verdict: We, the jury, after carefully and fastidiously reviewing twelve months of testimony in under four hours (for a breathtaking speed of devoting one whole minute of consideration for each full day of testimony) do hereby find the defendant not-guil... [Oops, sorry! Wrong case.] :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) I'm guessing it is probably supposed to be a female on the cover. Frank With due apologies to both genders, as well as fans of our American court system. -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (708) 576-3110 | fax: (708) 576-3240 OS/2 VirusScan - "Windows found: Remove it? (Y/y)" From ED_TIDWELL at DELPHI.COM Tue Oct 10 18:09:30 1995 From: ED_TIDWELL at DELPHI.COM (ED_TIDWELL at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 18:09:30 -0400 Subject: ordering "Flat Out" via cyberspace Message-ID: I know of CDNOW and CDEUROPE for ordering via cyberspace. Anyone order "Flat Out" lately? or others like Wishbone Ash's New England via these services or others? Any caviar ts or reasons I should choose one over the other? Appreciate the input? Ed From Prozaxs at AOL.COM Wed Oct 11 01:01:39 1995 From: Prozaxs at AOL.COM (Ken Long) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 01:01:39 -0400 Subject: ordering "Flat Out" via cyberspace Message-ID: I got the CD copy of "flat out" from Tower Records.... no experience with either cyber order firm. Ken From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Oct 11 01:14:49 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 01:14:49 -0400 Subject: More Cheap Motorhead Message-ID: Carl, I figured I must have made at least one error in there. Thanks for correcting me. Me, I never liked this song too much,though. "One Track Song", I like to call it... :) Chuck From ED_TIDWELL at DELPHI.COM Wed Oct 11 02:37:00 1995 From: ED_TIDWELL at DELPHI.COM (ED_TIDWELL at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 02:37:00 -0400 Subject: ordering "Flat Out" via cyberspace Message-ID: I'm in Boston. Tower here seems to be a large, 3 floor store, but I've had zero luck finding it. Any suggestions? Where other than the obvious would they stock it (not BOC or B.D.)? Ed From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Wed Oct 11 05:09:17 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 10:09:17 +0100 Subject: More trepenation on the telly In-Reply-To: <951011010138_121077387@mail06.mail.aol.com> from "Ken Long" at Oct 11, 95 01:01:39 am Message-ID: There is a programme on BBC2 (or maybe it was CH4) with Angus Deyton this weekend (Sunday, 10.10pm) called In Search of Happiness. I saw a trailer for it last night, and I'm sure there was a trepenation going on. Some guy goes into a machine; the next thing, Deyton is asking to feel a small spot on his head. Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Wed Oct 11 05:49:44 1995 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 05:49:44 EDT Subject: HW: Tania Ruiz home-page. Message-ID: Hello Tania Ruiz ! Can you please contact me( I've problems with your great home-page unfortunately) . Thanks in advance. Henrik 100522.44 at compuserve.com From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Wed Oct 11 11:10:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:10:00 BST-1 Subject: More trepanation on the telly Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9510111009.aa04326 at madge1.dev.madge.com> > There is a programme on BBC2 (or maybe it was CH4) with Angus Deyton > this weekend (Sunday, 10.10pm) called In Search of Happiness. > BBC1, actually :) Yes, in which Angus "TV's Mr Sex" Deayton interviews a number of people who have taken strange and, dare I say it, rocky paths to enlightenment. Includes a couple who've been trepanned, and indeed stood for Parliament on a ticket of free trepanation on the National Health. I believe these are the same "people with holes in their heads" we've heard about before... - Andy Ob7": Mick Farren and the Deviants - "Screwed Up" EP From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Wed Oct 11 04:26:13 1995 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:26:13 GMT Subject: Nik Turner & O.J. SIMSON Message-ID: Seen a recent release by Nik Turner on CD, named 'Trial of the Century' I think, dealing with the O.J. Simson trial...anyone heard it ? having an opinion ? Via Holy Galactic Imperium ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Wed Oct 11 07:24:22 1995 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Mr. Wizard (ex-zymoticist)) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 12:24:22 +0100 Subject: Nikwind: NT in Bath ? Message-ID: In the current NME's listings there is an entry for Monday 16th, for Nik Turner and TNT Hawkwind, with support Kangaroo Moon, playing at the Hub Club in Bath. Does anyone know anything about this, will anyone in that neck of the woods go to it when the rest of us are bopping away in Manchester? If I were a sceptical conspiracy theorist (if such a thing exists) I would be claiming the timing of this Nik gig was not entirely by chance, but merely to stop me seeing whatever band this is. Mike w From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed Oct 11 12:58:53 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 12:58:53 BST Subject: Nikwind: NT in Bath ? Message-ID: > > In the current NME's listings there is an entry for Monday 16th, for > Nik Turner and TNT Hawkwind, with support Kangaroo Moon, playing at the > Hub Club in Bath. Does anyone know anything about this, will anyone in > that neck of the woods go to it when the rest of us are bopping away in > Manchester? > > If I were a sceptical conspiracy theorist (if such a thing exists) I > would be claiming the timing of this Nik gig was not entirely by chance, > but merely to stop me seeing whatever band this is. > > Mike w > I don't believe it, I'll be in Bristol (10 miles from Bath) over the weekend but I've got to come back to Brighton on Monday. What a bummer!!!! bye - Rob From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Oct 11 08:34:25 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:34:25 -0400 Subject: Atlantic City-1982 (BOC) Message-ID: Rob + Bill discussing the ETL tour: >Rob in Delaware; > >Do you remember the date and month of this show? I seem to recall that >BOC did a stadium tour with Journey that summer. It was the ETL Tour, >wasn't it? One thing that I recall about this show is that things seemed kinda strained between the guys in the band. As I recall, they all arrived in separate Winnebago-type things... Hmm... the first BOC show I ever saw was in '82 in Worcester, MA. My brother and I were staying at the same hotel BOC was (or at least where they stopped at after the show) -- we didn't know it at the time though. But, as we were hanging out in the lobby and game room, we'd keep seeing these familiar-looking faces coming into the hotel: they all came in seperately, about 5-10 minutes apart. We just figured that they'd attrack (oops that should be attract) less of a crowd by coming in seperately - but perhaps there was more to it than that. Stupid little tidbit from that night: Buck came into the hotel men's room when I was in there, and we were at adjacent urinals. I wanted to say hi, but it was my first BOC show, I was kinda stunned beyond speech at seeing him there, and well, guess I was a little occupied at the time . . . \ John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Oct 11 08:36:38 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:36:38 -0400 Subject: ordering "Flat Out" via cyberspace Message-ID: I ordered my copy of "Flat Out" via CDEurope. I experienced no problems other than about a 4-6 week wait, but this is typical of CDEurope. I believe Manuel has posted the address for Buccaneer records before, where he got his copy (within a week I believe). They also regularly advertise in GOLDMINE. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Oct 11 08:40:53 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:40:53 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: Surgeons on Boston Radio Message-ID: Just thought I'd pass this along to folks in the Boston area: I recently sent a e-mail to WBCN (104.1 FM, "The Rock of Boston") requesting that they play some Brain Surgeons tunes (I figured that some of the heavy stuff off *Trepanation* might definitely appeal to their listeners). The program director, Oedipus sent me a reply: John, you can hear the Brain Surgeons on Nocturnal Emissions, Sundays, 8-10 p.m. Into the future, Oedipus> John From reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM Wed Oct 11 09:21:22 1995 From: reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:21:22 EDT Subject: BS TREPAN CD Message-ID: Is the Trepanation CD available in the stores, or only available through special ordering? I saw someone had the address to order direct from Cellsum Records, maybe on SWU page. I'd also like to get Eponymous. On WotT: I got it for $20 at the WIZ. BTBW is the only song on there that I never heard before. It's at least interesting to hear something new from BOC, even if only one song. Rest of the CD is typical of BOC, re-releasing same stuff over and over. It's a good pick and variety of songs and makes it a good listen for a compilation of hits. Over all this CD is a sham(e), and without the Imaginos tracks, it's a crying sham(e). RR From kfrazier at NCSA.UIUC.EDU Wed Oct 11 09:22:49 1995 From: kfrazier at NCSA.UIUC.EDU (Keith Frazier) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:22:49 -0500 Subject: HW: One more Live Message-ID: >> That was meant to be a gal? > >Good question. Let's look at the evidence. > >Points FOR the person being a female: > >1) long, flowing hair >2) feminine facial features (high cheekbones, nice eyebrows) >3) bright red lipstick >4) lack of body hair >5) earrings Looks like a typical 80's rock star to me. Must be a male. KEITH kfrazier at ncsa.uiuc.edu NCSA University of IL. " From thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM Wed Oct 11 10:49:00 1995 From: thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM (Matt Thompson) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 10:49:00 E Subject: BRAIN: Surgeons on Boston Radio Message-ID: >you can hear the Brain Surgeons on Nocturnal Emissions, Sundays, 8-10 >p.m. I know that before I moved from Boston to Atlanta a year ago, Oedipus played "Language of Love" on Nocturnal Emissions. I believe he was thanked in the credits for Trepanation. Matt Thompson thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Oct 11 09:53:09 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:53:09 -0400 Subject: BRAIN: CD ordering Message-ID: RR writes: Is the Trepanation CD available in the stores, or only available through special ordering? I saw someone had the address to order direct from Cellsum Records, maybe on SWU page. I'd also like to get Eponymous. I believe it is only availble by mailorder at this time. While you migh find *Eponymous* in a store, you can get it via mailorder as well. Here's the address: Cellsum, P.O. Box 1070 Fort George Station New York, N.Y. 10040 If memory serves, cost is $11 plus $3 shipping per CD - make checks payable to Albert Bouchard. Get yours today! And, consider ordering an extra one or two - they'd make a great Christmas present. John From thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM Wed Oct 11 10:57:00 1995 From: thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM (Matt Thompson) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 10:57:00 E Subject: Atlantic City-1982 (BOC) Message-ID: >Hmm... the first BOC show I ever saw was in '82 in Worcester, MA. That's a great story. I believe Aldo Nova opened up for that show and it was broadcast live on 107.3 WAAF. They had a short interview with Eric backstage right before they went on and I remember being surprised at how wimpy his voice sounded compared to when he talks on stage. You get the same effect on the "Stars" video where he is being interviewed about the project and he says "An lo and behold there's everyone from the dawn of man in the heavy rock business" in a tiny voice and then they cut to him belting out the song in the studio "We can be strong we are fire and stone!". Sounds like two different people. Matt Thompson thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 11 15:36:38 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 15:36:38 BST Subject: Calling Dave Cohen Message-ID: I lost your email address. Anyway, some time back we discussed a deal where we split the Griffin "Astounding" pack so that you get the book and I get the CD with the extra tracks on it. Is the deal still on? Is it out in the US yet? Cheers FoFP From Mitch.Goldman at TURNER.COM Wed Oct 11 10:16:55 1995 From: Mitch.Goldman at TURNER.COM (Mitch.Goldman at TURNER.COM) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 10:16:55 -0400 Subject: Monster Magnet in Atlanta Message-ID: Any Nethawks folks going to the Monster Magnet show tonight at the newly reopened Cotton Club in Atlanta? Kyuss was supposed to open, but you all know by now they've split... hope to see some HW fans tonight... Mitch From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Oct 11 11:15:28 1995 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 10:15:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Trouser Press and Xmal Deutschland Message-ID: I was leafing through the Trouser Press Record Guide (the 1989 version) the other day. In general, they seem to be rather pro-Hawkwind: "Hawkwind's influence has been rather extensive, ... The group's faults (most notably a chronic tendency towards excess) have generally been overcriticized to the exclusion of their virtues: that gargantuan and impenetrable pre-metal/hardcore drone, those great riffs, that inexorable drive to destinations unknown." They devote three full pages to Hawkwind. U2, in comparison, gets about a page and a half. Anyway, one of the groups in the book is the German band Xmal Deutschland. They compare them twice to Hawkwind: "... vocalist Anja Huwe bellows and shrieks with dark drama while the band drones and pounds out an unbelievably heavy track behind her, a horror movie cross between Siouxsie and the Banshees and Hawkwind." and "They're still loud as hell and sound in spots like Hawkwind but, at this point, they're also at a nexus with Joy Division, using bleak noise to convey a variety of moods." So, has anyone heard / heard of these guys? They sound pretty interesting. Thanks, Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (708) 576-3110 | fax: (708) 576-3240 Calm down. It's just ones and zeros. -- cbmvax!carolyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Oct 11 13:00:55 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 13:00:55 -0400 Subject: HW: One more Live Message-ID: >Points AGAINST the person being a female: > >1) obvious blood-lust >2) bulging muscles >3) earrings but these are qualities I look for in a woman ;-) M From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Wed Oct 11 13:10:29 1995 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 13:10:29 -0400 Subject: HW: Moi's review Message-ID: > Well, you might be disappointed listening to Nik's sax. *IMO*, he > does NOT know how to play the sax (but then, neither do I!) If I > remember correctly, the BOC-L consensus was that Nik's saxophone > sounded like an "asthmatic waterfowl". :-) Yeah, well some of us LIKE the "asthmatic waterfowl" effect! In fact, Nik's mutant sax playing is one of the rough edges I find sorely lacking in post-"Golden Era" Hawkwind (after '78 or so?). There seems to be a trend (in almost any long-term band I can think of) to focus on refinement at the expense of inspiration. The result is usually increased sterility and blandness of product. In my opinion, competent musicianship can be pretty boring and commonplace - gimme more chaff and less wheat, puh-lease! If you want an example of some truly inspired (but "technically" awful) horn wonkery, check out Beefheart's classic Trout Mask Replica. cheers - Chris "I hate music! It's got too many notes!" - Replacements Chris_Baxley at sonymusic.com From gary at Z-CODE.COM Wed Oct 11 13:24:25 1995 From: gary at Z-CODE.COM (Gary Wingert) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 10:24:25 -0700 Subject: HW: Trouser Press and Xmal Deutschland In-Reply-To: Frank Weil "HW: Trouser Press and Xmal Deutschland" (Oct 11, 10:15) Message-ID: On 11.Oct, frankw wrote re: "HW: Trouser Press and Xmal Deuts" frankw> Anyway, one of the groups in the book is the German band frankw> Xmal Deutschland. They compare them twice to Hawkwind: frankw> frankw> So, has anyone heard / heard of these guys? They sound frankw> pretty interesting. I can't recall if I've heard them from the 4AD compilation, _Lonely Is An Eyesore_, but they're one of the 4AD bands, along with Cocteau Twins, His Name Is Alive, Dead Can Dance, Xymox/Clan of Xymox, and some others whose names escape me. I like almost all artists on 4AD, so Xmal should prolly be cool.. gary From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 11 19:30:53 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 19:30:53 BST Subject: HW: One more Live In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Wed, 11 Oct 1995 13:00:55 -0400 Message-ID: > >1) obvious blood-lust > >2) bulging muscles > >3) earrings > > but these are qualities I look for in a woman ;-) > M *When* did you say you were coming over to Scotland....... ? 8-) jill (f) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Oct 11 15:30:33 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 14:30:33 EST Subject: Niks sax in early HW (LONG) (was: HW: Moi's review) Message-ID: >>...the BOC-L consensus was that Nik's saxophone >>sounded like an "asthmatic waterfowl". :-) >Yeah, well some of us LIKE the "asthmatic waterfowl" effect! >In fact, Nik's mutant sax playing is one of the rough edges I find >sorely lacking in post-"Golden Era" Hawkwind (after '78 or so?). The 'old waterfowl' seemed to fit in a lot better when the rest of the members of the band were not playing much better. I love the old HW -- S.R. is what got me into this band in the first place -- but they were definitely not known for any virtuousity or technical musicianship (back then). I believe that drugs and extended improv were the rule of the day, and this seemed to feed even more on the rotating roster of varying-skills musicians (perhaps caused it?). Take a look at "Text of Festival" for a more-or-less typical early live show. After the first couple of songs, the rest of the show turns into one looooonnnngggg improv session. In comparison, the "Space Ritual" was a series of (extended version) songs, separated by poems and short spoken pieces. In extreme contrast, the "Hawklords Live" CD has removed most/all of the improv and extended jam from the music, replacing them with emphasis on Lead guitar. In the light of the earlier HW, a typical "freak out"(TM) from any of the players would not only be accepted, but the rule. The extra ooomph provided was often enough to push an flimsy improv song into the realm of the sublime. When the band frequently consisted of a guitar, a bass, a drummer, two electronic noise-makers (remember: no synths at this time), and a front-man/sax&flute player, there was a lot of room for any one individual to provide major input. Later HW incarnations with multiple guitars and/or keyboards allowed overlapping of duties, and reduced the central role each player served. This emphasis on pulling inspiration from the (drug of the) moment worked well with Nik's contributions to Hawkwind. If other people were going to be playing crazy jams, he could do that too. And what's more, in the context of that kind of music, IT SOUNDED PRETTY GOOD! I would greatly miss Nik's input on "Doremi.." or "In Search of Space" if they had NOT let him add that sax stuff. And Nik's saxopohone playing has always reminded me of a hippy freak out... :-) BTW I've often considered Lemmy's contributions to early HW in the same light. He is (was?) exceptional at producing bass fills, no matter how repetitive the improv jam he was accompanying. And his drug intake was (is?) of prodigious proportions. By the time that Calvert joined full-time, HW seemed to be making a much more serious effort to produce polished, complete thoughts in their songs. Less and less of the 'stoned hippy jams' that had almost no middle or end, but just went on and on and on and on. In the context of more skilled players, musical "personalities" such as Nik had less and less place (coincidentally they canned Lemmy around then too). At about the same time, Nik seems to have begun spending less time in HW as a musician, and more as a front man and stage entertainer. This, of course, emphasized his separation from the rest of the band, and probably produced numerous clashes with Brock, and later Lloyd-Langton also. Eventually, they kicked Nik out once and for all. In contrast, Calvert seemed to handle the same process in a similar but more accepted manner. Like Nik, his stage personalities became quite extreme (possibly nudged on by drugs), while his musicianship became stricter and more focused. Witness the many albums Calvert was closely involved with in the late seventies (HW and solo). A much higher standard was applied to these releases, compared to the meandering of early HW. Brock, of course, seems to have evolved quite well as a musician while the band matured too, but hey -- you might argue that he always WAS the most significant contributer to new AND old HW. (Whoops, this is turning into a thesis. Sorry about the length! And I didn't even comment on the relevance of stricter musicianship being a detriment to inspiration...) Captain Cloud From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Oct 11 17:07:32 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:07:32 -0400 Subject: Inspired vs Technical Sax Message-ID: While on the subject of saxophones and technical vs enthusiasm/drug-inspired performances reminded me for some reason of gong ca now is the happiest time of your life. Anybody else remember this sax. Similar to the asthmatic waterfowl himself Martyn From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Wed Oct 11 16:43:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 15:43:00 -0500 Subject: ordering "Flat Out" via cyberspace Message-ID: -> I'm in Boston. Tower here seems to be a large, 3 floor store, but -> I've had zero luck finding it. Any suggestions? Where other than the -> obvious would they stock it (not BOC or B.D.)? -> -> Ed I ordered Flat Out through Buccaneer Records in Baltimore. Will provide a phone number if you need it, if I can find it!! They also have Brain Surgeons stuff and Live '76. Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Wed Oct 11 23:59:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 23:59:00 BST-1 Subject: Niks sax in early HW (LONG) (was: HW: Moi's review) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9510111430.A11130 at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Calvert and Brock were *both* reportedly anti-drugs-on-stage by the late '70s. Calvert in '78; "I won't allow it, and nor will Dave, on the grounds that it causes too much time-wasting and inferior work. Drug abuse may have characterised early line-ups - but it also characterised early audiences. It's rather different now; you can't stand there stoned out of your brain, playing to a straight audience - and our audiences cover quite an age-span." [_Rock Family Trees_, Pete Frame] By the late '70s, there wasn't much improv left, really - eg, they played just about the exact same set for the whole '79 tour. And these days, it's all controlled by the tapes and midi. (Not that that's necessarily bad, it's just different. Different from when Lemmy needed a roadie to get him on his feet and point him in the right direction, that is... :) - Andy From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Oct 12 10:20:38 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:20:38 MEZ Subject: HW: Business Trip Review Message-ID: >Thought I'd try my hand at this review stuff. I recently got _The Business >Trip_ and was quite impressed. Naturally, this is my opinion only. > >Rudy Good review Rob! I'll add this (and ANY other HW review) to my WWW review pages. >*************** >The BUSINESS TRIP (CD) > >Three guys (Dave Brock, Alan Davy, & Richard Chadwick) are in a line of work >that takes them away from home from time to time. The Electric Teepee was >touring the UK in Nov. of '93 and they decided to make a memento to the trip One question .... I thought that _The Bussiness Trip_ was the _It Is The Business Of The Future To Be Dangerous_ tour (the track list indicates it could be either) Rgrds, Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Oct 12 00:56:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 21:56:00 PDT Subject: ordering "Flat Out" via cyberspace Message-ID: I saw it at Towers also they were asking better than $25 US for it. This version originated from England. The CD now version is from Holland and slightly cheaper $22.97 US. Don't now if there are any variances between the Holland and English version though. Perhaps Robo or John S. can fill you in. AB >I got the CD copy of "flat out" from Tower Records.... >no experience with either cyber order firm. >Ken From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Oct 12 00:56:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 21:56:00 PDT Subject: ordering "Flat Out" via cyberspace Message-ID: >I'm in Boston. Tower here seems to be a large, 3 floor store, but I've >had zero luck finding it. Any suggestions? Where other than the obvious >would they stock it (not BOC or B.D.)? >Ed Try the import section. Tower's in Fairfax VA had it under Buck though. AB From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Oct 12 11:57:53 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:57:53 MEZ Subject: HW: Trouser Press and Xmal Deutschland Message-ID: >Anyway, one of the groups in the book is the German band Xmal >Deutschland. They compare them twice to Hawkwind: "... vocalist Anja >Huwe bellows and shrieks with dark drama while the band drones and >pounds out an unbelievably heavy track behind her, a horror movie >cross between Siouxsie and the Banshees and Hawkwind." and "They're >still loud as hell and sound in spots like Hawkwind but, at this >point, they're also at a nexus with Joy Division, using bleak noise to >convey a variety of moods." > >So, has anyone heard / heard of these guys? They sound pretty >interesting. I have, but nothing recent I must admit. I had never made any connection in the past b/w HW and XD, so I threw some of their vinyl on the Turntable for another listen. I've only got the _Jahr Um Jahr_/_Autumn_ 7" from 1985 and the _Tocsin_ LP from 1984, and no very little about the band except for what I can glean from the cover. They are a Hamburg/London based 5-piece consisting of Anja Huwe (Vocals), Manuela Rickers (Guitar), Fiona Sangster (Keyboards), Wolfgang Ellerbrock (Bass) and Peter Bellendir (Drums). They (at least what I've got) sound nothing at all like Hawkwind. The vocals (and to some extent the music) reminds me of Siouxsie and the Banshees more than any other band. They are interesting (allthough this LP hasn't been on my turntable for years), but don't expect anything Hawkwind-ish (unless their other releases are different) Paul ObXmalDeutschlandTrack: "XMASs in Australia" ObCd: DarXtar _DayBreak_ -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Oct 12 01:27:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 22:27:00 PDT Subject: ordering "Flat Out" via cyberspace Message-ID: -> I'm in Boston. Tower here seems to be a large, 3 floor store, but -> I've had zero luck finding it. Any suggestions? Where other than the -> obvious would they stock it (not BOC or B.D.)? -> -> Ed >I ordered Flat Out through Buccaneer Records in Baltimore. Will provide >a phone number if you need it, if I can find it!! >They also have Brain Surgeons stuff and Live '76. WARNING WARNING WARNING WILL ROBINSON STAY AWAY FROM LIVE 76. I REPEAT DO NOT PURCHASE THIS CD. From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Oct 12 01:46:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 22:46:00 PDT Subject: Music Industry Mysteries Message-ID: Dear BOC fans since there have been no additional threads on the mysterious 3cd package referenced in CDNow I have sent the following message to Sony asking for some info. Sony is showing this thing as Blue Oyster Cult - 3 Pak- Legacy Records C3K64806 and due to be released October 24th. The message to Sony is as follows: "Dear Sirs: Can you please provide some information on the upcoming Blue Oyster Cult release "3 Pak" Legacy C3K64806. There is also something called "Tyranny & Mutation" 7464-64806Z referenced by CDNow. I find it a bit difficult to believe that a second Blue Oyster Cult multiple cd release would be made so close to Workshops of the Telescopes. Please do not take this as a complaint, if there is in fact another Blue Oyster Cult Release planned by your company I plan on securing a copy of it as quickly as I did with Workshops. Regards Adrian Brevard Abrevard at shl.com" Couple of points: 1. ok so the message sounds like a "fanboy" 2. 10/24 release date is really strange. Has Eyes said anything about it on AOL? 3. The above E-mail address should be working again. The address that people are using now is fine but all of those messages are going through our data center in Houston. Finally, off topic, Gary Hoey's newest release was due in record stores 10/10. Neither Best Buy or Kemp Mills received copies yesterday. Best Buy was expecting a cd called Ho Ho Hoey (Christmas Music in October?). I checked CD Now and they are showing two releases Ho Ho Hoey and another simply titled Gary Hoey. Anybody got a clue with whats going on? Inquiring off topic minds (namely mine) really want to know. regards AB From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Oct 12 01:20:56 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 01:20:56 -0400 Subject: HW: Astoudning Sounds, Amazing Music Review Message-ID: Okay, Assassin Sonique has been nagging for reviews, ANY reviews, so now's my chance to submit what I can manage as a review... I just received ASAM about a week ago, so I'll give my own run-down of it. This is indeed an major turning point (Turner Point?) for the Hawks. The departure of Lemmy is a large factor and a progression from space-out jams to more compact, to-the-point, guitar-driven songs, and crisper production. It doesn't surprise me that this is Turner's last album w/HW in the '70s. There seems to be less room now for the whacky waterfowl in this new sound. As someone who gets totally freaked out by Space Ritual, numerous whirling sounds and audio intrusions, I feel a bit of a loss. But, that was then, this is now, and as a whole seperate work, I like this a lot. This is where Calvert takes over as main vocalist/lyricist, god of sarcastic lyrics, scathing political/social commentary. Well, "Reefer..." actually does have a pretty weird abbreviated (compared to older HW) jam. Gotta do something silly when you're singin' about marijuana. This song has a sorta catchy chorus, indicates that HW are progressing to different winds. "Steppenwolf" - There's no doubt that Calvert has a twisted mind. What do the German lyrics mean? Something taken from a book by Herman Hesse? Great lyrics, the man had a certain way with words. Repetitive in the HW style, but cleaner. "City Of Lagoons" - Real different style here! Laid-back for HW. Something jazzy about it. Not one of my favorites. "The Aubergine That Ate Rangoon" - Musically, a sign of the times. Has a distinctive mid-'70s keyboard riff to it. I don't know if I'd have guessed this was HW, if I hadn't known better. "Kerb Crawler" - Another fun little ditty from Calvert. Mixed by David Gilmoure, heavy on guitar and the bass comes in maxin'. Great chorus, accompanied by black chick back-up singers (Gilmoure's influence?). One of my favorites on the album. "Kadu Flyer" - More psychedelic, but more innocent-hippyish sounding, rather than their earlier, heavier, brain-curdling sound, and has a bit of a Barrett-esque Floyd style. Good vocal from Turner. "Chronoglide Skyway" - A slow, contemplative instrumental. Again, seeming a little tame for HW. I guess this album leans a bit more towards technicality than inspiration. Good, but not quite HW unleashed... Chuck From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Oct 12 02:03:19 1995 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:03:19 +1000 Subject: BOC: WOTT Downunder Message-ID: I heard yesterday that delivery of WotT to Oz has been delayed because of the demand in the US. It seems there are not enough to go around and we convict folk Downunder have to wait )-: If it's true, it may mean that it is selling well and I guess that's a good thing. I also heard we can order a direct import for about A$70.00, otherwise they'll be about A$40.00 when they arive. BTW, off topic for a moment, and not wanting to start anything, I saw an episode of the Simpsons last night (first time in years) where they all visited Australia. It was a, umm, interesting interpretation of our culture ;-) ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 12 11:51:47 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:51:47 BST Subject: HW: Astoudning Sounds, Amazing Music Review In-Reply-To: HERBERT119@delphi.com's message of Thu, 12 Oct 1995 01:20:56 -0400 Message-ID: HERBERT119 at delphi.com writes: > This is indeed an major turning point (Turner Point?) for the > Hawks. The departure of Lemmy is a large factor and a > progression from space-out jams to more compact, to-the-point, > guitar-driven songs, and crisper production. It doesn't > surprise me that this is Turner's last album w/HW in the '70s. > There seems to be less room now for the whacky waterfowl in > this new sound. As someone who gets totally freaked out by > Space Ritual, numerous whirling sounds and audio intrusions, I > feel a bit of a loss. But, that was then, this is now, and as a > whole seperate work, I like this a lot. This is where Calvert > takes over as main vocalist/lyricist, god of sarcastic lyrics, > scathing political/social commentary. Well, "Reefer..." > actually does have a pretty weird abbreviated (compared to > older HW) jam. Gotta do something silly when you're singin' > about marijuana. This song has a sorta catchy chorus, indicates > that HW are progressing to different winds. "Steppenwolf" - > There's no doubt that Calvert has a twisted mind. What do the > German lyrics mean? Something taken from a book by Herman > Hesse? A german girl I was going out with thought this meant either "I don't know what to say now" or "I don't know what I'm saying". > Great lyrics, the man had a certain way with words. > Repetitive in the HW style, but cleaner. "City Of Lagoons" - > Real different style here! Laid-back for HW. Something jazzy > about it. Not one of my favorites. "The Aubergine That Ate > Rangoon" - Musically, a sign of the times. Has a distinctive > mid-'70s keyboard riff to it. I don't know if I'd have guessed > this was HW, if I hadn't known better. "Kerb Crawler" - Another > fun little ditty from Calvert. Mixed by David Gilmoure, heavy > on guitar and the bass comes in maxin'. Great chorus, > accompanied by black chick back-up singers (Gilmoure's > influence?). One of my favorites on the album. "Kadu Flyer" - > More psychedelic, but more innocent-hippyish sounding, rather > than their earlier, heavier, brain-curdling sound, and has a > bit of a Barrett-esque Floyd style. Good vocal from Turner. > "Chronoglide Skyway" - A slow, contemplative instrumental. > Again, seeming a little tame for HW. I guess this album leans a > bit more towards technicality than inspiration. Good, but not > quite HW unleashed... This was actually quite incredible and much better in concert. It compared to something like "Lost Chronicles" for a great mellow track. They really didn't seem to capture the real power of the track on the Astounding album. I think there's a good version on one of the Weird tapes. > Chuck FoFP From C.M.Watt at SHU.AC.UK Thu Oct 12 11:31:00 1995 From: C.M.Watt at SHU.AC.UK (Watt, Colin M.) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:31:00 0BS Subject: HW: Manchester gig Message-ID: Hi all, I've been lurking for a few weeks now, so this is my first posting... anyway, is anyone going to the Hawks gig at Manchester Academy next Monday ? I'm planning to drive over for it (from Sheffield), but I've left it a bit late to sort tickets out... I've not been to this place before, only the Apollo and International 2 in the past, so I don't know how big it is / how easy it will be to get into on the night... advice anyone?? I'll perhaps post a more useful message next time :o) Col From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Oct 12 12:25:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 12:25:00 BST-1 Subject: HW: Astoudning Sounds, Amazing Music Review Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01HWC2CNBRKY8ZJ2QU at delphi.com> > "Steppenwolf" - What do the > German lyrics mean? This ought be in a Hawkwind FAQ - no, I'm not volunteering! :) It's "Ich weiss nicht, was ich sagen solle", which translates as "I do not know what I should say". This is a little ungrammatical as it stands - the final "solle" should be "soll". Calvert was presumably made aware of this, because he gets it right on the live version on Weird 105. Damn fine version, incidentally, with House on top form on keys and then violin, some really evil guitar from Brock, His Majesty King Simon going mental on drums, and even, if I'm not mistaken, a bit of Calvert synth in the middle. - Andy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Oct 12 07:59:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 07:59:00 EDT Subject: HW: Trip Review & Inspiration vs. Perspiration Message-ID: I referred to the _Business Trip_ as Electric Teepee on the road because: 1) I don't have _It is the Business..(ignorance angle), 2) The 3 man line up and this style appeared on ET (a strained attempt to rationalize), 3) A teepee is a fairly mobile home (a real reach), and 4) There are significant songs from ET (he shoots, he scores). I guess it was more metaphorical inspiration instead of skilled review (asthmatic thinking). This brings up my 2nd vague thought. I don't disagree with Capt. Cloud about the potential for interesting stuff to come out of chaotic jams or enthusiastic (drug crazed) play. The place where I veer off is that mastery is not capable of this. A lot of times people who have great technical skill are considered "masters", but they are not. They stick too closely to the rules and are very predictable. A true master knows the rules well enough to realize when they can be broken for best effect (you should see me drive). I think Hawkwind has gone through all 3 phases. The good old days were the jams, then they mired down a bit in the technical skill era. However, I think that they gotten beyond that now. Tapes and midis play their part on stage, but they just paint a basic background. The little flourishes that are added live really make things interesting much as the tiny thread is what makes a tapestry. ( )--(a) (@=@=) \ Rudy the ferret mage O__) \ \___ \ \ (Ever watchful for Hawks from above & beyond) /\ * ) \ From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Thu Oct 12 08:23:24 1995 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:23:24 EDT Subject: Darxtar official newsletter Oct 1995. Message-ID: Greetings friends of Space-rock ! I've just received a newsletter from the boys in Darxtar filled with some great news, including a Nik Turner gig in Sweden ?!? If you think this sounds interesting please read on. Enjoy the news. Henrik Ps. There is also a new cd from them ( late autumn ) and there is a presentation as well: Darxtar - Sju. On their fourth release since forming in 1990 Darxtar has decided to lean more towards the progressive side of rockmusic compared to their previous works. However, the spacey psychedelic sound that has become the bands trademark over the years is easily detctable on this album.This is definitely Darxtar at their finest, enjoy... From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Thu Oct 12 08:23:27 1995 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:23:27 EDT Subject: Darxtar official newsletter Oct 1995. Message-ID: Darxtar official newsletter October 1995. Hi ! We have lots of cool information for ya this time so let's get down to it: 1 - Briskeby Records, a small Norwegian company will soon release a compilation cd with various Scandinavian progressive and psychedelic bands, one track by Darxtar ! It will be ltd to 300 copies and we'll do our best to lay our hands on some of them. No release date yet. 2 - The "Space rock" cd on Cleopatra we mentioned in our last newsletter is still under compilation. No release date yet. 3 - The new Darxtar cd is ready and will hopefully be out by Nov/Dec! We call it "Sju" and we believe it takes the sound of Darxtar into yet another dimension! One thing you do know about Darxtar is that you never know what the next record will be like, other than great of course... Maybe more progressive than "Daybreak". No release date yet. 4 - Now, let us please welcome to the line-up Mr Bjorn Jacobsson on guitar, vocals and fx. An old friend of the band that will broaden the sound even more - a great musician (a bit crazy though). Also back in action is Fredric Sundquist on the ol'space-violin after a years absence from the band. If you feel like you'd like to see this line-up on stage please read on ! 5 - Nik Turner's Space ritual with Darxtar - does this sound interesting to you?!? Well, on the 16th of December 1995 this will be a reality in Jonkoping, Sweden. A one-off space festival where Darxtar will do their own gig and later the same evening function as backing band for Uncle Nik himself! A couple of more warm up acts will be there and we can guarantee you space-rock of the 1:st degree for sure! If you want to book tickets for the event please call Evert Wysell on +46-36174858 or fax us on +46-38320223. How was that for a newsletter, eh? See ya there... PS. Only a few copies left of the "Starlog" comp. cassetter, don't delay... From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 12 08:27:59 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:27:59 -0400 Subject: ordering "Flat Out" via cyberspace Message-ID: Adrian says: WARNING WARNING WARNING WILL ROBINSON STAY AWAY FROM LIVE 76. I REPEAT DO NOT PURCHASE THIS CD. Well, only get this CD if you are a diehard fan that absolutely must have everything available and don't mind some pretty lousy sound quality. I guess I've just described myself -- I have the disc and I even play it from time to time. But, it has good and bad points: Good: Live versions of "Stairway to the Stars" and the "5 Guitars". The renditions of several songs are decent ("Harvester of Eyes", "Cities on Flame", "Buck's Boogie", and "Astronomy" come to mind) Bad: The sound quality is awful - not that the band's performance is bad, but the mix is bad (with instrument levels changing during the tracks). Some-what bad: It would have been better if a few things had been edited out on the disc as they are part of a concert experience that really doesn't translate well to sitting at home in your living room by yourself listening to it -- I'm talking about Eric's long-winded rant about drug laws and the speed limit; and Albert's drum solo (which is much coooler on the video where you get to see the accompanying laser show). I probably would've eliminated most or all of Joe's bass solo prior to the 5 Guitar bit as well. None of these things are bad - but when removed from the concert experience they don't seem to make as much sense. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 12 08:32:34 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:32:34 -0400 Subject: ordering "Flat Out" via cyberspace Message-ID: Adrian asks: I saw it at Towers also they were asking better than $25 US for it. This version originated from England. The CD now version is from Holland and slightly cheaper $22.97 US. Don't now if there are any variances between the Holland and English version though. Perhaps Robo or John S. can fill you in. I have not heard of any differences in the versions -- Bolle has told me in the past that alot of the imports from the various European countries are in fact the same thing (case in point: "Flat Out" has been touted by various distributors as a Holland import, a German import, and a French import -- all 3 are the same). I will check my local Tower to see if it is there and verify that the English import is the same as the one I have (which was touted as a Holland import - and is the same as the original album version). John From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu Oct 12 13:43:06 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:43:06 BST Subject: HW: Manchester gig Message-ID: > > Hi all, > > I've been lurking for a few weeks now, so this is my first posting... > > anyway, is anyone going to the Hawks gig at Manchester Academy next Monday ? > I'm planning to drive over for it (from Sheffield), but I've left it a bit > late to sort tickets out... I've not been to this place before, only the > Apollo and International 2 in the past, so I don't know how big it is / how > easy it will be to get into on the night... advice anyone?? > I've been to the Manchester Academy a couple of times to see New Model Army, it is a pretty big venue, probably as big as Glasgow Barrowlands or Brixton Academy. Don't know about getting in on the day as I've always had tix in advance. bye - Rob From CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK Thu Oct 12 13:42:34 1995 From: CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:42:34 EDT Subject: HW: Trip Review & Inspirat In-Reply-To: <072352310101367C@-SMF-> Message-ID: Hi, > This brings up my 2nd vague thought. I don't disagree with Capt. Cloud > about the potential for interesting stuff to come out of chaotic jams or > enthusiastic (drug crazed) play. The place where I veer off is that mastery > is not capable of this. There's an interesting correlation between drugs and musical ability. Almost no-one who plays a musical instrument plays as well under the influence as they do when *straight*. Technically it's not feasible to think creatively, keep time, play with as much control when you're out of it. O.K. anyone reading this who's a muso is now up in arms, well if it was possible to perform difficult acts really well when mentally *unfocussed* it'd be compulsory to be drunk whilst driving...... So why do so many people think that good music comes from the drug-experience? Simple, no critical faculties whilst stoned so they think they've been good when really they weren't (and it's not only music that this applies to ..... :-). > A lot of times people who have great technical > skill are considered "masters", but they are not. They stick too closely to > the rules and are very predictable. A true master knows the rules well > enough to realize when they can be broken for best effect (you should see me > drive). When we learn to play we learn the rules. Even so-called self-taught, ear-trained musicians are learning the rules, although they might not know the technical terms for them. Very few people are able to learn the rules then break them at will - Zappa is one such person. For most musicians this is where drugs and alcohol come in. Not only do they mean you can overcome stage fright but they relax inhibitions about what is going on musically. An associated factor is the state of the audience, if they're as stoned as the musicians they'll be receptive, if they're straight then they won't. Does anyone believe that be-bop would have arisen and become as popular as it did without the use of pot, smack and alcohol amongst musicians and audiences? How many people would bother to listen to long HW or Grateful Dead jams or even techo without the influence of drugs? Also some people need the rules to really shine - Hendrix for instance was way better on his first 2 albums before the debauched rock 'n' roll lifestyle kicked in. > I think Hawkwind has gone through all 3 phases. The good old days > were the jams, then they mired down a bit in the technical skill era. > However, I think that they gotten beyond that now. Tapes and midis play > their part on stage, but they just paint a basic background. The little > flourishes that are added live really make things interesting much as the > tiny thread is what makes a tapestry. Personally I think that the best HW has been the stuff you're calling *technical* (it's not BTW - compared to really technical music it's about as simple as you can get). A lot of this stuff, I'm talking post Space Ritual really, is the earlier stuff played with more control and better production values so you can hear everything. I do agree that the sequencers etc they use now provide the background and this puts the guitars/drums into some kind of sympathetic focus, and it works better every year. When they first started doing this stuff live it was pretty dire at times :-) Chris From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Thu Oct 12 09:14:46 1995 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 09:14:46 EDT Subject: Darxtar History. Message-ID: Hi again ! There was also an infosheet included with Darxtar official newsletter, containing the history of the band. I thought it might be of some interrest ! Hope you like it. Henrik From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Thu Oct 12 09:14:50 1995 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 09:14:50 EDT Subject: Darxtar History. Message-ID: Darxtar ...in the dark zones a presentation 1995. Darxtar history. The Darxtar project was started in late 1989 when "Commander" K. Soren Bengtsson was asked by Acid tapes, UK to record a full lenght cassette for their label. He began recording on his own using drum-machine, synth and a small computer apart from his normal use of vocal and guitar, all put down on a small portastudio. Halfway through the recording he was joined by "Captain" Juba Nurmenniemi who treated the bass, vocals and additional synth and guitar. They had similar interrest in the space-rock tradition pioneered by Pink floyd, Hawkwind & Gong so the musical direction was an easy choice. The debut release (Darxtar, Acid tapes TAB071) was well received by the few who cared to listen. One of them happened to be the boss for German record label SPM who decided to release it on CD late 1991 (SPM/WWRCD0029). By the time the CD was released the Commander and Captain was already finished with their 2:nd collaboral recording (Darker, Garageland GRCD005) and one of the songs originally intended for it "High tide" had been released on the Acid tape comp. cassette "Isotopic moments" (Acid tapes TAB082). Although the 1:st CD got some good reviews, SPM was not interrested in releasing "Darker", leaving it archived until spring 1993 when Garageland decided to give it a try (couldn't be that bad since it's sold out and deleted...). During this period "Dr. Patric" Danielsson had joined on drums but he didn't appear on disc until spring 1994 when Garageland released a compilation CD "Let your freak flag fly" with one new Darxtar track "UFO". It was recorded already in Sep. 1993 and "Fred&Ric" Sundquist (violin) was forced into the band just before they were to enter the studio. By autumn 1993 "Darklord" Soren Martensson completed the line-up on hammond & synth and they were ready to make their debut as a live band in November same year. In the beginning of 1994 the recording of "Daybreak" started, their most interresting work to date. The Commander decided to release it himself due to lack of interrest from other companies, and it was out in August 1994 (SBM CDA001). This is the record that finally put Darxtar on the R & R map, great reviews almost everywhere despite a lower than acceptable recording budget! Gigs in Europe followed and Fredric decided to take a break while Juba was sacked in Dec.1994. He was replaced by young bassist & singer Marcus "Marcurius" Pehrsson who proved to be the vitamin injection the band needed. We now write August 1995 and the four explorers have just completed the recording of their latest journey into the unknown territories of progressive music. Whatever you will think of it when it's released, we can assure you that it takes the sound of Darxtar into yet another zone, the 7:th? It will be released by Black Widow Records later this year, so stay put and we'll let you know! Also in the pipeline is a Norwegian ltd.ed. compilation from Briskeby Records and a doubleCD US release from Cleopatra called "Space rock, a brief history" both featuring tracks by this cosmic band. For newsletter & merchandise write to SBM Sweden, Vaxjovagen 55, 570 10 Korsberga, Sweden. Fax# +46-38320223. On emergency phone# +46-38320054 From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Thu Oct 12 09:19:59 1995 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Mr. Wizard (ex-zymoticist)) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:19:59 +0100 Subject: HW: Manchester gig In-Reply-To: <307CF6FE@cerberus.shu.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Watt, Colin M. wrote: > anyway, is anyone going to the Hawks gig at Manchester Academy next Monday ? > I'm planning to drive over for it (from Sheffield), but I've left it a bit > late to sort tickets out... I've not been to this place before, only the > Apollo and International 2 in the past, so I don't know how big it is / how > easy it will be to get into on the night... advice anyone?? It is a big place and I do not think it will sell out, I have phoned up the Virgin telesales number (0161 832 1111) and they have got tickets left, and reckon there will be some left on Monday. I also phoned the Uni number (0161 275 2930) and they also reckoned there would be some left on Monday. Mike w From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Oct 12 09:24:25 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 09:24:25 -0400 Subject: LEMMY in Bam Message-ID: Hawkwind fans take note: Big Q&A with Lemmy in free West Coast music mag BAM 10/6 issue. Pretty funny (isn't he always?) and of interest-- even if the interviewer doesn't identify herself as person who's trying to help peddle (and write) Lemmy's autobiography. (As far as I know, unsuccessfully peddled to date). --DF From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Oct 12 09:19:16 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:19:16 +0100 Subject: HW: Trip Review & Inspirat In-Reply-To: <0C2352310101367C@-SMF-> from "Chris Bates" at Oct 12, 95 01:42:34 pm Message-ID: > There's an interesting correlation between drugs and musical ability. > Almost no-one who plays a musical instrument plays as well under > the influence as they do when *straight*. Technically it's not feasible > to think creatively, keep time, play with as much control when you're > out of it. O.K. anyone reading this who's a muso is now up in arms, > well if it was possible to perform difficult acts really well when > mentally > *unfocussed* it'd be compulsory to be drunk whilst driving...... So why > do so many people think that good music comes from the drug-experience? > Simple, no critical faculties whilst stoned so they think they've been > good when really they weren't (and it's not only music that this applies > to > For most musicians this is where drugs > and > alcohol come in. Not only do they mean you can overcome stage fright but > they > relax inhibitions about what is going on musically. I'd say that there's a small somewhat blurry line here. Obviously any time mind-altering substances enter into the equation there will be a break down in motor functions. However, I would be willing to accept that for some (if, perhaps, not all people) such substances can open avenues of inspiration that they might not reach straight, even if we limited such examples to something like a pint of beer providing sufficient relaxation that the musician was a bit less restrained than they might have been straight, thereby giving (subjectively speaking) a better performance. Obviously, there would have to be a balance between increased relaxtion/inspiration and falling to the floor unconcious ;) Driving is a task which benefits little, to say the least, from creative input, and the acceptable level of motor control needs to be much higher. One wildly stoned guitar player is rarely as dangerous, at least in the same way, as a wildly stoned driver--and a mildly stoned driver is definately a much greater danger than a mildly stoned guitar player, especially considering it is possible that guitarist _might_ perform better mildly stoned (subjectively speaking, of course). This is not to say, that mind-altering substances or acts _will_ "improve" creative output, just that for some people this may be possible. After all, the use of drugs, fasting, etc. has a long history in many cultures for the reaching of altered states, often for the purposes of enhancing some creative purpose. > Personally I think that the best HW has been the stuff you're calling > *technical* (it's not BTW - compared to really technical music it's about > as > simple as you can get). A lot of this stuff, I'm talking post Space > Ritual really, > is the earlier stuff played with more control and better production > values so > you can hear everything. I do agree that the sequencers etc they use now > provide the background and this puts the guitars/drums into some kind of > sympathetic focus, and it works better every year. When they first > started doing > this stuff live it was pretty dire at times :-) Well, I've always enjoyed the insane excess and mad power of things like _Space Ritual_ :) Better production values, at least in terms of sound, are always good, but _too_ much control is not always. Which is not to say I don't enjoy the more "careful" HW albums, but the don't seem as remarkable as some of the early bits which managed to be both crazed _and_ good. On the other hand, I think they hang now close to the balance point between control and "creative chaos". Judging by their work since Huw left they are _capable_ of turning out some truly stunning things, but to repeat the mantra, I think the need more human element in the mix, so to speak, to create the kind of gestalt needed for more consistently fabulous stuff. In some ways the difference between some of the incredible live material from the '89 tour and the meandering ambience on _IITBOTFTBD_ is small, but in other ways there are miles between it. Not that I'm slamming meandering ambience--but there are many good purveyors of meandering ambience, an it seems a shame to waste an often unique space-rock band like HW on what other's also do so well. Whew! Carl From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Thu Oct 12 10:40:07 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:40:07 +0000 Subject: HW: Astoudning Sounds, Amazing Music Review -Reply Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A german girl I was going out with thought this meant either "I don't know what to say now" or "I don't know what I'm saying". FoFP <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< given the rest of the track and the book, i think "I don't know what i'm saying" seems to fit in quite nicely: dissolving identity and all that. Anway, nice one, 'cos that has always been one of those abiding Hawkmysteries to me (having once sat down with a phonetic transcription and a gremlin dictionary and got PRECISELY NOWHERE, it's always been something that bugged me a fair bit too) on the turner's sax type thread, i have to say that early hawks just could not be the same w/out it, for all his faults, he helped define their sound: i can't hear the tubercular elephant on dying seas without feeling toe-curling pleasure at the sublimity of the 'sound' (yeah, textures of sound over precise musicianship anytime) ygagw ObOther12": Eden - Knoghts of the Occasional Table (esp. the vocal mix: ooh-la-la!!) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Oct 12 09:41:13 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:41:13 +0100 Subject: LEMMY in Bam In-Reply-To: <951012092423_42634779@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Oct 12, 95 09:24:25 am Message-ID: > Hawkwind fans take note: Big Q&A with Lemmy in free West Coast music mag BAM > 10/6 issue. Pretty funny (isn't he always?) and of interest-- even if the > interviewer doesn't identify herself as person who's trying to help peddle > (and write) Lemmy's autobiography. (As far as I know, unsuccessfully peddled > to date). Boy, I bet _that_ would be an interesting read! Can anyone catch hold of this, or even type/scan it in if they're feeling ambitious? Don't get many West Coast music mags here in the realm of the East Angles .... ;) Carl From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Thu Oct 12 11:02:19 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:02:19 +0000 Subject: B(LEM)AM(Y) Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boy, I bet _that_ would be an interesting read! Can anyone catch hold of this, or even type/scan it in if they're feeling ambitious? Don't get many West Coast music mags here in the realm of the East Angles .... ;) Carl <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< yeah, nice idea; but then you don't really get much in East Angles ;) maybe those of us with the time (ie. anyone with .edu or .ac ...ha!) could org. some kind of trans-atlantic-pacific-whatever article swap whenever anything 'relevant' came up? ygafw, looking uncomfortably out of the window onto derby From CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK Thu Oct 12 15:04:07 1995 From: CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:04:07 EDT Subject: HW: Trip Review & Inspirat In-Reply-To: <222B52310101367C@-SMF-> Message-ID: > I'd say that there's a small somewhat blurry line here. Obviously > any time mind-altering substances enter into the equation there will be a > break down in motor functions. However, I would be willing to accept that > for some (if, perhaps, not all people) such substances can open avenues of > inspiration that they might not reach straight, even if we limited such > examples to something like a pint of beer providing sufficient relaxation > that the musician was a bit less restrained than they might have been > straight, thereby giving (subjectively speaking) a better performance. I largely agree. I'm not saying that using drugs can't have a beneficial effect upon some people. A fine example of this was Jerry Garcia who went from being an allegedly quite good bluegrass player to the gigantic force he was in the Grateful Dead very quickly and at the same time that he began to take large quantities of mescaline and LSD. Clearly some sort of switch was turned on inside him and his improvisational skills came out. This does not happen to MOST people - stoned/drunk people are bores in conversation and bores when improvising musically. > This is not to say, that mind-altering substances or acts _will_ > "improve" creative output, just that for some people this may be possible. > After all, the use of drugs, fasting, etc. has a long history in many > cultures for the reaching of altered states, often for the purposes of > enhancing some creative purpose. Yep, true. I'd argue that culturally-based shamanistic drug use is either to remove inhibition or to create a communal experience. Fasting/peyote etc give visions which can then be *interpreted* as metaphors for life in general. Is it possible that shamans are simply those members members of a community who are more receptive/affected more positively by the drugs they use in ritual? > On the other hand, I think they hang now close to the balance > point between control and "creative chaos". Judging by their work since > Huw left they are _capable_ of turning out some truly stunning things, > but to repeat the mantra, I think the need more human element in the mix, > so to speak, to create the kind of gestalt needed for more consistently > fabulous stuff. I think MORE musicians on stage would help. Have everything played live with no sequencers etc. After all the computerised techno stuff seems (to me anyway) to be a sad parody of what the 'Wind, Can etc were doing 20 years ago anyway! Why use a computer to sound like an anoraked nerd trying to sound like YOU used to? (Does that make ANY sense?) > Not that I'm slamming meandering ambience--but there are many > good purveyors of meandering ambience, an it seems a shame to waste an > often unique space-rock band like HW on what other's also do so well. Ambience is all very well in its place but I wanna rock (oops, sad man has listened to one Twisted Sister album too many :-) Chris From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 12 11:30:26 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:30:26 EST Subject: '76 Message-ID: I bought '76 in Belgium over a year ago. Agreement concerning sound quality etc. Also, I've heard better mid-son raps from Eric on 'Dominance' many times, including encouraging fans to "write to Mr. Carter in Washington, say 'Dear Jimmy.'" And also "Let me tell you about the story of Dominance and Submission...it's been around for thousands and thousands of years, as long as there's been men and women...as long as there's been music." Genrally, unless Carl Palmer is playing, drum solos are horrible, even from an amazing drummer like Albert... Ralph 'Sonny' Barger Oakland CA From cp682 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Thu Oct 12 10:47:51 1995 From: cp682 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Lisa Quinn) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:47:51 -0400 Subject: HW: Moi's review Message-ID: > Well, you might be disappointed listening to Nik's sax. *IMO*, he > does NOT know how to play the sax (but then, neither do I!) If I > remember correctly, the BOC-L consensus was that Nik's saxophone > sounded like an "asthmatic waterfowl". :-) In defense of Nik, he is an incredibly skilled sax player. I had the opportunity to be in the theatre before the Cleveland show, and heard Nik warming up. I was absolutly amazed. He was warming up by playing incredibly complex jazz standards (recognized the melodies, but don't know the names.) Like stuff by Charlie "Bird" Parker. The man knows exactly what he is doing. In speaking to him with some fans, I found out that these Nikwind shows are pure fun and pleasure for him. He told us that back in the UK he has a world music band that he plays with most of the time, and also plays alot at the jazz clubs. I would give my eye teeth to see this master musician play in either of those styles with his "regular" band. He doesn't tour the US with this band, because he feels the fans really wouldn't accept him playing straight ahead jazz and world music, worlds away from his Nikwind stuff. Amazing Man! Produces Astounding Sounds! Lisa -- Lisa Quinn at cp682 at cleveland.freenet.edu From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Oct 12 05:24:20 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:24:20 +0100 Subject: Music Industry Mysteries In-Reply-To: <307CAD70@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: [...] > if there is in fact another Blue Oyster Cult Release planned by > your company I plan on securing a copy of it as quickly as I did with > Workshops. [...] Ack! Don't say this - it'll only encourage the record company to put out any old bollocks! Dave From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Oct 12 10:55:57 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:55:57 -0400 Subject: LEMMY in Bam Message-ID: You know, I think BAM may have an on-line address. Lemme check-- yeah-- here it is: Bammag at eworld.com --DF From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Oct 12 11:06:44 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:06:44 -0400 Subject: HW: Moi's review Message-ID: >I would give my eye teeth to see this master musician play in >either of those styles with his "regular" band. He doesn't tour the >Lisa Is this band the all-stars? Martyn From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 12 12:13:12 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:13:12 EST Subject: Music Industry Mysteries Message-ID: Like all we need is another 'On Flame With Rock and Roll!' From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Oct 12 11:29:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:29:00 EDT Subject: HW: Breakin' the laws (rules) Message-ID: Chris, I thank you for your well stated thoughts. I was referring to the statements of others that called the post _Space Ritual_ stuff technical and that they thought it wasn't as good (with Nik and Lemmy fitting less & less). I like the post SR era stuff more myself. It's not complex, but it does comply more with convention. WARNING, I GET OFF TOPIC The easiest thing for me to relate to is martial arts. To many, a black belt (1st) is an accomplished person. There is no doubt that the technical skills are honed well and that they will be good at forms or sparring. It is their ability to execute according to the rules that makes them accomplished and gives them structure. But, they are also predictable at that point. The raw novice is dangerous for his/her unpredictability as the early HW is for potential inspirational jamming. At 1st black a person is very competent, but to go beyond now requires the ability to regain the unpredictability of the novice. Frank Zappa is an excellent example in music. The gulf between a 1st black and 2nd black is greater than that between the raw novice and 1st black. But the differences become very subtle and it takes greater knowledge to even recognize them. At the surface, some might say that the inspiration is lost and the higher ranks just have greater mechanical skills that they execute without thinking. Actually the ability to no longer have to attend to physical movement frees the mind to do more strategic thinking and to add personal touches. I'd imagine the same applies to music. Often the more effective and higher level move is simpler than what somebody with good skill would do and less noticeable. Mastery means exerting less effort, not more. Nik and Lemmy can really exert and do good things. I just want to point out that one doesn't have to wail out to the max to be good. That HW changed and that these 2 (and Calvert to a lesser degree) no longer fit isn't mean that the spirit of innovation died. It takes a while to find and express it in this new level. As stated, some amazing bits could pop out of an early HW jam, but it was hit or miss and couldn't be recaptured at another time. With refined skills, this sort of thing can happen more often and the "misses" aren't as far off. _Space Ritual_ is a good album, but some of their other early live stuff is in a far different league. It seems to me that all the more recent live stuff (official releases) can be counted on to be at least at some level and can surprise at the way it exceeds it at times. Rudy From cp682 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU Thu Oct 12 11:33:42 1995 From: cp682 at CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Lisa Quinn) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:33:42 -0400 Subject: HW: Moi's review Message-ID: Reply to message from white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU of Thu, 12 Oct > >>I would give my eye teeth to see this master musician play in >>either of those styles with his "regular" band. He doesn't tour the > >>Lisa > > Is this band the all-stars? > >Martyn Don't know, he didn't mention the name Lisa -- Lisa Quinn at cp682 at cleveland.freenet.edu From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 12 11:43:41 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:43:41 -0400 Subject: HW: Trip Review & Inspirat Message-ID: I'll throw a few cents (not necessarily sense) in the discussions about playing while under the influence. I should probably qualify my remarks by saying I have gotten drunk on alchohol before, but have no experience whatsoever with other mind-altering substances -- so maybe I don't have the slightest idea as to what I'm talking about :-) I believe that most people do not play "better" under the influence, although if the audience is also in such a state that may not matter. But, it definitely throws off one's timing so the music may not come out technically correct (timing, wrong notes, etc.) - I used to play alot of video games, and I was amazed how bad I became at them even after only 1 or 2 beers. Tom Hamilton of Aerosmith (in an interview with BassPlayer magazine) said it pretty well that the drugs tend to free up one's inhibitions and allow one to perhaps be more creative -- but one has to remember that drugs or not, the creativity of that person exists inside them - if you can find another way to let go of your inhibitions, that same creativity will shine through. My guess is that getting high/stoned is a fairly simple way to lower those inhibitions (how many of us have been to a party and wouldn't go talk to that other person until we've had a drink/smoke/etc. or two?), but there are probably other ways. Anyways, to each his/her own . . . John From reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM Thu Oct 12 11:49:52 1995 From: reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:49:52 EDT Subject: '76 Message-ID: I agree that it doesn't come off too good on the Live 76 for those who didn't see it. I never had any complaints about BOC live shows and the drum solo was one of the most memorable parts. I remember the ones with the strobes and Zilla mask to be really neat. They got the place going. RR From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 12 12:17:06 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 12:17:06 -0400 Subject: BOC: Web Page Moving Message-ID: This is a public service announcement for those of you who are on the Web The Flaming Telepaths Home Page (KenVT's page) has moved. The new address is: http://users.aol.com/kenvt/boc.html Update your page links, or bookmarks appropriately. John From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Thu Oct 12 16:59:35 1995 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:59:35 BST Subject: HW: Tomorrow's Show Message-ID: Hi, I'm off to the Lancaster gig tomorrow (13th). I'm thinking of posting a review of the gig on Monday, you know the sort of stuff : set list, how cool the T-shirt is etc..... Should I do this or would it spoil the surprise for those list members going to other venues next week? Cast your votes now! Keith From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Oct 12 13:50:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:50:00 EDT Subject: Show review/recap Message-ID: >>>I'm off to the Lancaster gig tomorrow (13th). I'm thinking of posting a review of the gig on Monday, you know the sort of stuff : set list, how cool the T-shirt is etc..... Should I do this or would it spoil the surprise for those list members going to other venues next week?<<< Take copious notes and DO IT (or should it be - Do That Do That Do That)! Rudy From Mitch.Goldman at TURNER.COM Thu Oct 12 12:57:14 1995 From: Mitch.Goldman at TURNER.COM (Mitch.Goldman at TURNER.COM) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 12:57:14 -0400 Subject: Monster Magnet Atlanta set list Message-ID: Amazing show last night in Atlanta at the Cotton Club. Set list was identical to the NYC show from last month, except for the addition of the encores. setlist (11;35-12;43): Intro-> Superjudge Twin Earth Nod Scene Dopes to Infinity Look to Your Orb for the Warning Cage Around The Sun-> Negasonic Teenage Warhead Evil Third Alternative encores: Tractor-> Medicine "Cage" was nine minutes long, went into something that almost sounded like another song in the middle. Wyndorf was swinging a hanging light around by its chord, causing spooky lighting during this tune. "Tractor" is a tune I haven't heard them play in over three years. Mitch From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Thu Oct 12 14:09:07 1995 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:09:07 -0500 Subject: HW: delayed again Message-ID: Just got back from lunch to find a voice mail from Andy Garibaldi, the HW album has been delayed once again by our good friend Doug Smith. It seems he rejected the cover art (for the second time). The new release date is now set for Oct. 23rd. Doug From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Oct 12 15:09:28 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:09:28 +0100 Subject: HW: random Area S4 thoughts Message-ID: Got my Area S4 today (thanks Jill!--cheque to be mailed out to you). I thought it was pretty cool. "Alien (I Am)" was pretty good, though I thought the mix was a little busy and the performance I felt was a bit lacking in energy--however, I think my opinion improved on repeated listenings. This was certainly very cool live, hopefully will make a live album sometime. I know some people weren't thrilled with "Death Trap" but I thought is was quite good. Yeah, it's a retread. Yeah, Ron Tree is sounding _a lot_ like Calvert, IMHO. But I thought there was great Energy to the track, and definately enjoyed the wild Brock wah-guitar leads--not enough of those on recent HW material! Wastelands: well, it's a retread linking instrumental--as such it was fine, but hardly changed my life. I liked "Am I Losing My Mind Control" (or whatever), though I think this benefits considerably live from Ron's wacky stage antics. However, it was pretty good, lack of credit for House not withstanding. No "Sputnik Stan" on the CD EP version? :( Well, I hope Doug Smith is going to let them release that album! Overall, I liked everything I heard on Area S4 better than anything I heard on _IITBOTFTBD_. Perhaps, not as cool as some of the cool rock tracks from _ET_, but we'll see how the album turns out ... Cheers, Carl From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Oct 12 15:10:55 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:10:55 -0400 Subject: B(LEM)AM(Y) Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-12 10:08:29 EDT, you write: >Boy, I bet _that_ would be an interesting read! > Can anyone catch hold of this, or even type/scan it in if >they're feeling ambitious? Don't get many West Coast music mags here >in the realm of the East Angles .... ;) > >Carl Lemmy was on a Prodigy chat about a month ago...I've been trying to locate the transcript, but there isn't one available as yet...if I were able to get it, would there be an interest to post it here? ROBO From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Oct 12 15:16:10 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:16:10 +0100 Subject: HW: Trip Review & Inspirat In-Reply-To: <272B52310101367C@-SMF-> from "Chris Bates" at Oct 12, 95 03:04:07 pm Message-ID: > I'm not saying that using drugs can't have a beneficial > effect upon some people. A fine example of this was Jerry Garcia who > went from being an allegedly quite good bluegrass player to the > gigantic force he was in the Grateful Dead very quickly and at the > same time that he began to take large quantities of mescaline and LSD. > Clearly some sort of switch was turned on inside him and his > improvisational skills came out. This does not happen to MOST people > - stoned/drunk people are bores in conversation and bores > when improvising musically. True, though clearly (as easily noted in ol' Jer's case) the long term effects can be detrimental to one's musical abilities--Jer ceased to be a real firebrand well before he died. However, another example might be Clapton: I like his Cream and Dominoes material just fine, but once he had gone into the no-drugs, cut-hair, and no Gibson (well, that's just a personal bias, maybe ;) phase it was snore city for me. I'm sure laying off the drugs improved his life greatly, but I thought his music went downhill--and that may or may not be coincidental. (Apologies to Clapton fans! :) > > Judging by their work since > > Huw left they are _capable_ of turning out some truly stunning things, > > but to repeat the mantra, I think the need more human element in the > > so to speak, to create the kind of gestalt needed for more consistently > > fabulous stuff. > > I think MORE musicians on stage would help. Have everything played > live with no sequencers etc. After all the computerised techno stuff > seems (to me anyway) to be a sad parody of what the 'Wind, Can etc > were doing 20 years ago anyway! Why use a computer to sound like > an anoraked nerd trying to sound like YOU used to? (Does that make > ANY sense?) Yes, that is more or less what I meant and it's opinion shared my many, though not all :), on this list. But who's going to convince _Brock_? ;) Rock, Brock! [exhortation] Cheers, Carl From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Oct 12 15:20:28 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:20:28 -0400 Subject: HW: Trip Review & Inspirat Message-ID: > > However, another example might be Clapton: I like his Cream >and Dominoes material just fine, but once he had gone into the no-drugs, >cut-hair, and no Gibson (well, that's just a personal bias, maybe ;) I agree. The sad fact is that he was much better when he was strung out on smack Martyn From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Oct 12 15:37:23 1995 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:37:23 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: message dated 95-10-12 14:04:59 EDT, you write: >Wyndorf was swinging a hanging light around by its >chord, causing spooky lighting during this tune I asked Wyndorf after the NYC show (irving Plaza) if he pinched this special effect from Uncle Nik's show and he just chuckled. At least he steals from the right people. regards, Bill Stewart From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Oct 12 15:39:59 1995 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:39:59 -0400 Subject: HW: delayed again Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-12 14:22:14 EDT, you write: >ust got back from lunch to find a voice mail from Andy Garibaldi, the >HW album has been delayed once again by our good friend Doug Smith. It >seems he rejected the cover art (for the second time). The new release >date is now set for Oct. 23rd. > > You mean he actually looked at it. This is real progress;-) regards, Bill Stewart From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 12 17:25:12 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:25:12 EST Subject: B(LEM)AM(Y) Message-ID: Yes!! From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Oct 12 17:01:20 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:01:20 -0400 Subject: B(LEM)AM(Y) Message-ID: Ted O. Jackson contends >Yes!! hmmmm. Maybe its time to reopen the most-content-less post of the week award M From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Thu Oct 12 16:28:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:28:00 -0500 Subject: ordering "Flat Out" via cyberspace Message-ID: AB sez (on live 76): -> WARNING WARNING WARNING WILL ROBINSON STAY AWAY FROM LIVE 76. I -> REPEAT DO NOT PURCHASE THIS CD. A good friend ordered this CD about 2 months ago, and it hasn't arrived yet. If he can still back out of the deal, should he? I mean, how bad could it be? Also, to AB: I am refering to our buddy Rich. Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 12 19:36:57 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 18:36:57 EST Subject: pan review of '76 Message-ID: Most of the objections centered upon poor sound quality and excessive rambling by Eric and long drum and bass solos. I have the disc and am generally glad I got it. The quality is better than a decent bootleg, and there are some musical highpoints, such as 'Stairway to the Stars (sadly omitted from the 3 offical live albums) and the non- rambling portions of 'Dominance.' If you're a true cult fan, it's a must, if a dilletante, then pass on it... From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Oct 12 18:43:01 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:43:01 -0600 Subject: ordering "Flat Out" via cyberspace In-Reply-To: <199510111236.IAA08368@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, John A Swartz wrote: > I ordered my copy of "Flat Out" via CDEurope. I experienced no problems > other than about a 4-6 week wait, but this is typical of CDEurope. > > I believe Manuel has posted the address for Buccaneer records before, > where he got his copy (within a week I believe). They also regularly > advertise in GOLDMINE. > > John > Ed & John; Yes, Buccaneer advertizes in just about every issue of Goldmine, and they are a top-notch operation!! You can either pick up a copy of Goldmine or if you want I'll look up the address and phone # for you. If you have a credit card, they will ship your order out immediately and you'll get your discs in about 3 or 4 working days. Let me know if you want the address/phone, ect..... God bless........ Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Oct 12 18:47:40 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:47:40 -0600 Subject: BRAIN: Surgeons on Boston Radio In-Reply-To: <307BCA9D@osoft_nt.buckhead.com> Message-ID: Matt- Thanks for the articles and tab of DFTR. However, I addressed your letter as Atlanta, MA instead of Atlanta, GA. Did you receive your copies of BOC stuff yet?? Please let me know whether or not you have received the package that I sent to you. Thank you and God bless......... Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Oct 12 21:11:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 18:11:00 PDT Subject: ordering "Flat Out" via cyberspace Message-ID: Adrian says: WARNING WARNING WARNING WILL ROBINSON STAY AWAY FROM LIVE 76. I REPEAT DO NOT PURCHASE THIS CD. >Well, only get this CD if you are a diehard fan that absolutely must >have everything available and don't mind some pretty lousy sound quality. >I guess I've just described myself -- I have the disc and I even play >it from time to time. But, it has good and bad points: I too purchased the disc after having bought the video; I had hoped it was just a flaw with the video. IMHO the cd sound is actually worse. You make some good points John but I would still stay as far away from this one as possible unless you can get it for less than $5.00. It is a good collectible however I would never use it to introduce a friend to BOC for the first time. Since it was recorded and shot in my neck of the woods (Capital Center Largo MD) I usually slip OYFOOYK in the cd player and let the video run without sound. Just my two cents. AB Five in the player lately White Lion : Mane Attraction Great White: Sail Away Kings X: Faith Hope Love Saigon Kick: Saigon Kick Ted Nugent: Live Gonzos From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Oct 12 21:16:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 18:16:00 PDT Subject: '76 Message-ID: >Genrally, unless Carl Palmer is playing, drum solos are horrible, >even from an amazing drummer like Albert... >Ralph 'Sonny' Barger Don't know if I could agree with that thought Ralph, I've seen some pretty amazing solos in my years. The key is not making them last seemingly forever. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Oct 12 21:29:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 18:29:00 PDT Subject: ordering "Flat Out" via cyberspace Message-ID: Torgo tell Rich to cancel if he can. For Rich, helluva guy that he is if he really wants this cd I will send him mine for free. AB AB sez (on live 76): -> WARNING WARNING WARNING WILL ROBINSON STAY AWAY FROM LIVE 76. I -> REPEAT DO NOT PURCHASE THIS CD. A good friend ordered this CD about 2 months ago, and it hasn't arrived yet. If he can still back out of the deal, should he? I mean, how bad could it be? Also, to AB: I am refering to our buddy Rich. Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 12 21:55:47 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:55:47 EST Subject: '76 Message-ID: Date sent: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 18:16:00 PDT Send reply to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: "BREVARD Adrian R." Subject: Re: '76 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L >Genrally, unless Carl Palmer is playing, drum solos are horrible, >even from an amazing drummer like Albert... >Ralph 'Sonny' Barger Don't know if I could agree with that thought Ralph, I've seen some pretty amazing solos in my years. The key is not making them last seemingly forever. AB My idea is that it must be really hard to play a good drum solo consideing all the great drummers who fail so miserably at it. Most of them just seem to want to bang on as much shit as fast as they can without regard to content. No personal attack on Albert meant, as I consider him one of the greatest ever to pound the hides... barger From skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM Thu Oct 12 23:37:59 1995 From: skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM (Skip Galvin) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:37:59 -0700 Subject: BOC 1976 In-Reply-To: <199510121227.IAA09646@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: John writes: "Some-what bad: It would have been better if a few things had been edited out on the disc as they are part of a concert experience that really doesn't translate well to sitting at home in your living room by yourself listening to it -- I'm talking about Eric's long-winded rant about drug laws and the speed limit" Ah, this is hilarious. I get a good laugh every time I hear it! --Skip From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Oct 13 02:26:06 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 02:26:06 -0400 Subject: BOC 1976 Message-ID: Is there a purpose in a drum solo other than to bang as much shit and as fast as possible?? :) After all, it's a solo and not a song. Chuck From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Fri Oct 13 05:39:56 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:39:56 +0100 Subject: BOC 1976 In-Reply-To: from "Skip Galvin" at Oct 12, 95 08:37:59 pm Message-ID: Interestingly, as we're talking about BOC 1976. Just been talking to my boss who was telling me about when he saw BOC in or around 1976. From the description, it sounded like the 1976 tour what with lasers, 5 guitars, guitar duel etc. Even better, he saw them at City Hall in (sunny) Newcastle-upon-Tyne. They played We've gotta get out of this place (was this the one on SEE?) and apparently it brought the house down. (the Animals being from Newcastle). Sounds great! Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Fri Oct 13 06:03:21 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:03:21 -0400 Subject: BOC 1976 Message-ID: Jason writes: >Interestingly, as we're talking about BOC 1976. >Just been talking to my boss who was telling me about when he >saw BOC in or around 1976. From the description, it sounded >like the 1976 tour what with lasers, 5 guitars, guitar duel etc. I think you'll find that this tour was in the UK in 1978. I went to see them twice on the tour, both the Hammy Odeon gigss. 1 in May and 1 in June. If my addled memory serves me right, they toured the UK in 1975 (around November) and then not again until May/June 1978. >Even better, he saw them at City Hall in (sunny) Newcastle-upon-Tyne. >They played We've gotta get out of this place (was this the one on SEE?) >and apparently it brought the house down. (the Animals being from Newcastle). The SEE album, from this tour, came out in 1978 also. Perhapps your boss is loosing his memory? >Sounds great! The whole show was! .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK Thu Oct 12 12:10:35 1995 From: Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK (Norman Beresford) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:10:35 +0100 Subject: HW tour Message-ID: Unfortunatly I've lost the details of the tour but if anyone is going to any of the midlands types gigs (Manchester,Birmigham, Liverpool, Sheffield) and going up or down the M6 (junction 15 or Keele Services) do they want a passenger to help pay petrol bill? E-mail me on u2a79 at keele.ac.uk if you do. Norman From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Fri Oct 13 08:26:55 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:26:55 +0000 Subject: BOC: Live 76 Message-ID: > Most of the objections centered upon poor sound quality and excessive > rambling by Eric and long drum and bass solos. I have the disc and > am generally glad I got it. The quality is better than a decent > bootleg, and there are some musical highpoints, such as 'Stairway to > the Stars (sadly omitted from the 3 offical live albums) and the non- > rambling portions of 'Dominance.' If you're a true cult fan, it's a > must, if a dilletante, then pass on it... > Yes, I agree with Ted. Yes the sound quality is not the best, and usually you expect stereo on a CD, but then again you have Stairways (excellent) and fine versions of Cities, Buck's Boogie and Astronomy (actually one of the best I've heard). Dan From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Fri Oct 13 07:25:12 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:25:12 -0400 Subject: BOC: Stalk Forest Group/WOTT Message-ID: Following discussions on this list over the last couple of weeks, it seems the biggest gripe about WOTT is that no SFG material was included. It was also noted that the tapes were probabally still owned by Elektra. If this is the case then they are never going to appear on a Sony release unless Sony buy/have bought them from Elektra. If Elektra DO still own the rights, then maybe with all the renewed interest/tour and release of WOTT, maybe they would be interesred in getting the SFG stuff released. Can anyone / does anyone know how to get in contact with Elektra to find out who has the tapes/rights and if they would be interested in releaseing them or leasing them to someone like RPM (the Heep label thingy) for release? Maybe CellSum would be interested!!!!!!! .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 13 08:43:12 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:43:12 EST Subject: BOC 1976 Message-ID: Date sent: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:37:59 -0700 Send reply to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Skip Galvin Subject: Re: BOC 1976 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L John writes: "Some-what bad: It would have been better if a few things had been edited out on the disc as they are part of a concert experience that really doesn't translate well to sitting at home in your living room by yourself listening to it -- I'm talking about Eric's long-winded rant about drug laws and the speed limit" Ah, this is hilarious. I get a good laugh every time I hear it! --Skip I agree with Skip. My main gripe with the inclusion of the 'Dominance' rap is that I've heard Eric do a lot better on numerous other occasions. Also, I believe 'Live 1976' Has merit in that it presents several songs in an 'altered state,' reflecting their evolution as live tunes. For instance, 'Stairway' has a different ending, 'Dominance' uses a different lead-in to the guitar solo, 'Harvester' has a different ending, etc. These songs all differ from their original studio versions, and some even from prior live recordings. Anyway, I brought it to work today to listen to on the headphones, and I'll come up with a capsule review later. Just watch what's inside those capsules before swallowing... From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 13 08:45:55 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:45:55 EST Subject: BOC 1976 Message-ID: Date sent: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 02:26:06 -0400 Send reply to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Subject: Re: BOC 1976 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Is there a purpose in a drum solo other than to bang as much shit and as fast as possible?? :) After all, it's a solo and not a song. Chuck I mentioned Carl Palmer as an example of a truly great soloist. Check the solo in 'Karn Evil 9' on the live record. He presents a lot of coherent musical ideas, even melodies, while in the process of basnging hell out of his entire kit. I think too many drummers take the easy way out. Observe during drum solos, the crowd reacts most to the simplest stuff... From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 13 08:50:29 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:50:29 EST Subject: BOC: Stalk Forest Group/WOTT Message-ID: Date sent: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:25:12 -0400 Send reply to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY Subject: BOC: Stalk Forest Group/WOTT To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Following discussions on this list over the last couple of weeks, it seems the biggest gripe about WOTT is that no SFG material was included. It was also noted that the tapes were probabally still owned by Elektra. If this is the case then they are never going to appear on a Sony release unless Sony buy/have bought them from Elektra. If Elektra DO still own the rights, then maybe with all the renewed interest/tour and release of WOTT, maybe they would be interesred in getting the SFG stuff released. Can anyone / does anyone know how to get in contact with Elektra to find out who has the tapes/rights and if they would be interested in releaseing them or leasing them to someone like RPM (the Heep label thingy) for release? Maybe CellSum would be interested!!!!!!! .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com Charles, It's a great idea, but I think we're talking a cult within a cult (ouch). Most of those Euro re-releases are from on-time famous groups who are being rediscovered in the age of compact disc. Personally, I'd love to even hear some of that stuff. Does anyone have any access to copies of the band's demos etc. Someone in the group must have kept hold of them... From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 13 08:55:48 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:55:48 EST Subject: BOC: Stalk Forest Group/WOTT Message-ID: Date sent: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:25:12 -0400 Send reply to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY Subject: BOC: Stalk Forest Group/WOTT To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Following discussions on this list over the last couple of weeks, it seems the biggest gripe about WOTT is that no SFG material was included. It was also noted that the tapes were probabally still owned by Elektra. If this is the case then they are never going to appear on a Sony release unless Sony buy/have bought them from Elektra. If Elektra DO still own the rights, then maybe with all the renewed interest/tour and release of WOTT, maybe they would be interesred in getting the SFG stuff released. Can anyone / does anyone know how to get in contact with Elektra to find out who has the tapes/rights and if they would be interested in releaseing them or leasing them to someone like RPM (the Heep label thingy) for release? Maybe CellSum would be interested!!!!!!! My biggest gripe with WOTT is the lack of new material. Not one official cult live record has included their amazing live opener 'Stairway.' I wish WOTT had included more unreleased live stuff, and of course, how about some great unreleased stuff, esp. 'Wings of Mercury.' Does anyone else remember this tune? I believe it was circa 'Club Ninja,' but it could have been earlier. Also, at that same time, they also played live another song that Eric said would be on an upcoming album. Maybe all this was just prior to CN, and these two great songs were somehow cut from that album. I remember they were both great, esp. 'Mercury.' Can anyone supply any info? theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 13 08:10:28 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:10:28 -0400 Subject: pan review of '76 Message-ID: Ted Jackson says: Most of the objections centered upon poor sound quality and excessive rambling by Eric and long drum and bass solos. I have the disc and am generally glad I got it. The quality is better than a decent bootleg, and there are some musical highpoints, Well, if you want to go the bootleg route, there are 3 bootleg CDs of BOC that I'm aware of that absolutely blow Live '76 away in terms of sound quality. But, for the hardcore collector, it probably is a must - and the only CD that I know of (bootleg or otherwise) that has the "Mark II" version of "5 Guitars" on it. John From C.M.Watt at SHU.AC.UK Fri Oct 13 08:53:00 1995 From: C.M.Watt at SHU.AC.UK (Watt, Colin M.) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:53:00 0BS Subject: HW: Nik Turners Allstars Message-ID: Lisa said: > >In defense of Nik, he is an incredibly skilled sax player. I had the I'm happy to defend Nik too... I have seen him a couple or five times over the past few years doing various types of gig under the "Nik Turner's Fantastic Allstars" banner... sometimes he plays straight jazz, and sometimes more up beat (often accompanied by jugglers etc)... last time I saw him was at Glastonbury - he played a couple of sets during the weekend and on the last night played an upbeat jazz / ska set for two hours solid, at about 2 in the morning, in a smallish tent with a wind powered generator, appropriately enough (this was a night to remember)... the guy looks ancient but IS incredible... I questioned him why he and his band hadn't released any of this material - "basically, we never get round to it" was the response (pity). He is reluctant to tour the UK much these days, as he seems to think nobody will turn up... cheers, Col ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Colin Watt Systems Development Mgr Tel: (0114) 2532809 Sheffield Business School Fax: (0114) 2532870 Sheffield Hallam University EMail: C.M.Watt at shu.ac.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Uh-uh, I don't tip"~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Oct 13 08:43:48 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:43:48 +0100 Subject: '76 In-Reply-To: from "Ted O. Jackson" at Oct 12, 95 08:55:47 pm Message-ID: Yeah, neither disc nor vid is of the highest quality, but I have many fine memories of long, inebriated nights in the basement of Dunster House at Harvard watching the vid :) And I think the bass solo is really cool. Plus, as a folklorist I feel compelled that the vid is one of the very few examples of BOC performances on a video medium (the only other I can think of being the Black & Blue vid), and is therefore worthwhile no matter what kind of quality we would like to see. Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Oct 13 08:46:30 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:46:30 +0100 Subject: your mail In-Reply-To: <199510121937.PAA10426@emout05.mail.aol.com> from "Bill Stewart" at Oct 12, 95 03:37:23 pm Message-ID: > >Wyndorf was swinging a hanging light around by its > >chord, causing spooky lighting during this tune > > I asked Wyndorf after the NYC show (irving Plaza) if he pinched this special > effect from Uncle Nik's show and he just chuckled. At least he steals from > the right people. I thought that sounded familiar! ;) (The real question is: will Monster Magnet adopt the "rotating pillowcase" as well? ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Oct 13 08:48:03 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:48:03 +0100 Subject: B(LEM)AM(Y) In-Reply-To: <951012151054_73422501@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "Rob Maerz" at Oct 12, 95 03:10:55 pm Message-ID: I've contacted the BAM folks and they're going to pass along the story to me via email, and if there's no serious objection I can post it to the list (after all, even non-Lemmy fans will probably find it entertaining in some distressing manner :) Cheers, Carl From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Oct 13 09:21:25 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:21:25 -0400 Subject: HW: Trip Review & Inspirat Message-ID: > alcohol amongst musicians and audiences? How many people would bother to > listen to long HW or Grateful Dead jams or even techo without the > influence of > drugs? Me for one! Except for tobacco and the social drink, I have listened to HW all my life without the assistance of drugs. Maybe I'm just strange? Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Oct 13 09:21:33 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:21:33 -0400 Subject: HW: Astoudning Sounds, Amazing Music Review Message-ID: > From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM > Okay, Assassin Sonique has been nagging for reviews, ANY > reviews, so now's my chance to submit what I can manage as a > review... I just received ASAM about a week ago, so I'll give > my own run-down of it. Thanks Chuck, WWW page " recept units activated - now! " Paul-- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Oct 13 09:21:38 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:21:38 -0400 Subject: HW: random Area S4 thoughts Message-ID: > No "Sputnik Stan" on the CD EP version? :( Well, I hope Damn! Fofp: Is it too late to change the CD you picked up for me with vinyl? Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! Thought for the day: Anatomy (n): something everyone has, but which looks better on a girl. -- Bruce Raeburn. From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Oct 13 09:21:44 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:21:44 -0400 Subject: Simpsons (was BOC: WOTT Downunder) Message-ID: > From: Peter Sondergeld > > BTW, off topic for a moment, and not wanting to start anything, I saw an > episode of the Simpsons last night (first time in years) where they all > visited Australia. It was a, umm, interesting interpretation of our culture ;-) That is the understatement of the century! Paul-- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! Thought for the day: Book (n): a utensil used to pass time while waiting for the TV repairman. From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 13 14:12:17 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 14:12:17 BST Subject: Springfield video In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 12 Oct 1995 19:29:47 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi Mike > > I'll post the video for you tomorrow (Friday) > > Hope you enjoyed the gigs. Great! > Could you send me some infos about the gigs? I only got to glasgow but Gavin and Dave were at an unannounced gig in Workington on the 11th where they played 110 minutes. Gavin taped Glasgow at least. Ron was mostly dressed as Puck or Harlequin. They had fire eaters and fire jugglers as well as dancers in various "alien" suits. They also had this neat robot at the side of the stage and fire braziers. They opened with Deathtrap/Wastelands/Iron Dream and then played stuff from the new album. I recognised Alien I Am and what must be Sex In Space. There was another song that could well turn into a new "Brainstorm" and they played various synth interludes which may be from the new album. They also played Sputnik Stan at some point. My memory is hazy from this period of the gig for some reason :-) The gig really took off with an amazing rendition of Lord of Light followed by an equally excellent Silver Machine which was played very heavy on bass. Right To Decide got in there somewhere as did a really excellent instrumental which reminded me a lot of "Seeing It As You Really Are". After they wnt off at 105 minutes the crowd were really wild for more and after some pretty loud stamping, clapping and chanting they came on and played Hassan I Sabha and Welcome. The film backdrop was space picture, spirals and stuff from a bubblelight. They had a rotating light beam from each side of the stage and three light spinners at the back which worked brilliantly as the "Silvery light" on Lord of Light. It looks like it's going to be the best tour since '92. FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 13 14:17:15 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 14:17:15 BST Subject: Tracklist for Glasgow Barrowlands? Message-ID: Colin is here to help so I might do a little better. We're not totally sure of the order or where exactly the new ones came but it's something like this: ? Deathtrap Wastelands Losing My Mind The Golden Void ? Alien I am ? Sputnik Stan ? Robot ? ? Lord of Light Silver Machine Sex In Space Hassan I Sabha/Space Is Their Palestine Welcome To The Future FoFP From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Oct 13 14:47:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 14:47:00 BST-1 Subject: BOC: Stalk Forest Group/WOTT Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Ted says: > My biggest gripe with WOTT is the lack of new material. Not one > official cult live record has included their amazing live opener > 'Stairway.' Except the 7" "We Gotta Get Out of This Place" c/w "Stairway to the Stars", that is. - Andy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 13 10:57:19 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:57:19 EST Subject: pan review of '76 Message-ID: Date sent: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:10:28 -0400 Send reply to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: John A Swartz Subject: Re: pan review of '76 To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Ted Jackson says: Most of the objections centered upon poor sound quality and excessive rambling by Eric and long drum and bass solos. I have the disc and am generally glad I got it. The quality is better than a decent bootleg, and there are some musical highpoints, Well, if you want to go the bootleg route, there are 3 bootleg CDs of BOC that I'm aware of that absolutely blow Live '76 away in terms of sound quality. But, for the hardcore collector, it probably is a must - and the only CD that I know of (bootleg or otherwise) that has the "Mark II" version of "5 Guitars" on it. John John, could you please give the names of the 3 above BOC bootlegs and any hints on obtaining them? I'm from the hinterlands, and no decent music ever passes through this culture-free zone. thnx mucho ted From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 13 11:14:27 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:14:27 EST Subject: BOC: Stalk Forest Group/WOTT Message-ID: Date sent: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 14:47:00 BST-1 Send reply to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew Gilham Subject: Re: BOC: Stalk Forest Group/WOTT To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L In-Reply-To: Ted says: > My biggest gripe with WOTT is the lack of new material. Not one > official cult live record has included their amazing live opener > 'Stairway.' Except the 7" "We Gotta Get Out of This Place" c/w "Stairway to the Stars", that is. - Andy andy, Any suggestions about obtaining the 7 incher? What's a typical price for it? ted From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 13 15:09:39 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:09:39 BST Subject: HW: random Area S4 thoughts In-Reply-To: Paul G Ward's message of Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:21:38 -0400 Message-ID: Paul G Ward writes: > > > No "Sputnik Stan" on the CD EP version? :( Well, I hope > > Damn! > > Fofp: Is it too late to change the CD you picked up for me with vinyl? 'fraid so. They've run out of both in the local stores. Sorry. FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 13 15:10:47 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:10:47 BST Subject: HW: Trip Review & Inspirat In-Reply-To: Paul G Ward's message of Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:21:25 -0400 Message-ID: Paul G Ward writes: > > > alcohol amongst musicians and audiences? How many people would bother to > > listen to long HW or Grateful Dead jams or even techo without the > > influence of > > drugs? > > Me for one! Except for tobacco and the social drink, I have listened > to HW all my life without the assistance of drugs. > > Maybe I'm just strange? Don't worry about it. Nicotine and alcohol are drugs. Arguably they're more harmful than almost all the illegal ones. > Paul FoFP From Prozaxs at AOL.COM Fri Oct 13 10:27:09 1995 From: Prozaxs at AOL.COM (Ken Long) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:27:09 -0400 Subject: I want to see you in black Message-ID: My $0.02 on WOTT. I saw BOC play at Griffiti's near Baltimore last Feb. They made an announcement on a new upcoming album. They said they had a new song, "I want to see you in black". They played it and it sounded good. I understood them to say this new song would be on their new album. Instead, WOTT is another greatest hits compliation. :( As fine as WOTT is, I would still like to see a new release of *new* material. :) How does one get these bootleg CDs mentioned? Ken From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Fri Oct 13 10:43:15 1995 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:43:15 -0400 Subject: Tracklist for Glasgow Barrowlands? Message-ID: Mike, question: If you picked out "Sex In Space" from the setlist, how did you do that ? (this is supposed to be the vinyl only bonus track from the almost-but-not-quite released new album, right ?) So either you've already heard this somehow ??? or it actually has lyrics and is a real song (rather than yet another short instrumaental which is what I was expecting for the bonus track)/ Gig sounds great, glad to see that you're as incapable as myself of remembering what was played when it comes to setlists ;-) Cheers, Steve L. From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Oct 13 16:13:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:13:00 BST-1 Subject: BOC: Stalk Forest Group/WOTT Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Except the 7" "We Gotta Get Out of This Place" c/w "Stairway to the > Stars", that is. > > - Andy > > andy, > Any suggestions about obtaining the 7 incher? What's a typical price > for it? > ted Beats me - I got mine nearly new (thanks, Alun!) shortly after release in '78. I suspect rarity will be more of an issue than price. It might even be a UK-only release. It is the sort of obscure item we might have expected on _WotT_, though. FYI, it was recorded in Commack, NY, no date given. "Citizens of Long Island! The talent you spawned has returned to its homeland," etc etc. It's a good, efficient version, but you can probably live without it. - Andy From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Oct 13 16:13:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:13:00 BST-1 Subject: I want to see you in black Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <951013102707_43601768 at emout06.mail.aol.com> Ken says > My $0.02 on WOTT. I saw BOC play at Griffiti's near Baltimore > last Feb. They made an announcement on a new upcoming album. > They said they had a new song, "I want to see you in black". > They played it and it sounded good. I understood them to say this > new song would be on their new album. Instead, WOTT is > another greatest hits compliation. :( As fine as WOTT is, I > would still like to see a new release of *new* material. :) SYiB is one of the John Shirley lyrics they've been playing for a while (there's lots more on this in the BOC-FAQ). You don't want to believe anything Bloom says about the "new album" - he's been promising it "next summer" since late '92 at least. In the computer biz, it'd be called "vapourware". - Andy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 13 12:34:49 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 11:34:49 EST Subject: BOC: Stalk Forest Group/WOTT Message-ID: Date sent: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:13:00 BST-1 Send reply to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew Gilham Subject: Re: BOC: Stalk Forest Group/WOTT To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L In-Reply-To: > Except the 7" "We Gotta Get Out of This Place" c/w "Stairway to the > Stars", that is. > > - Andy > > andy, > Any suggestions about obtaining the 7 incher? What's a typical price > for it? > ted Beats me - I got mine nearly new (thanks, Alun!) shortly after release in '78. I suspect rarity will be more of an issue than price. It might even be a UK-only release. It is the sort of obscure item we might have expected on _WotT_, though. FYI, it was recorded in Commack, NY, no date given. "Citizens of Long Island! The talent you spawned has returned to its homeland," etc etc. It's a good, efficient version, but you can probably live without it. - Andy Andy, I belive the announcer is saying: 'the TERROR you spawned...' Don't get me started on WOTT. So why did I rush out to buy it? From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 13 12:38:57 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 11:38:57 EST Subject: I want to see you in black Message-ID: Date sent: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:13:00 BST-1 Send reply to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Andrew Gilham Subject: Re: I want to see you in black To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L In-Reply-To: <951013102707_43601768 at emout06.mail.aol.com> Ken says > My $0.02 on WOTT. I saw BOC play at Griffiti's near Baltimore > last Feb. They made an announcement on a new upcoming album. > They said they had a new song, "I want to see you in black". > They played it and it sounded good. I understood them to say this > new song would be on their new album. Instead, WOTT is > another greatest hits compliation. :( As fine as WOTT is, I > would still like to see a new release of *new* material. :) SYiB is one of the John Shirley lyrics they've been playing for a while (there's lots more on this in the BOC-FAQ). You don't want to believe anything Bloom says about the "new album" - he's been promising it "next summer" since late '92 at least. In the computer biz, it'd be called "vapourware". - Andy That trick of promising new albums is nothing new for Eric--he's done it throughout the band's career. Promising an album that turns up a year later. I read about a supposed new BOC album in 'Guitar Shop' magazine at least a year ago. BYT, Buck writes for this magazine, but it's pretty technical stuff, just reviewing new pieces of guitar gear. Still, it's cool to see his name in print. Does anyone out there know of BOC's touring schedule? What's coming up? From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 13 16:45:53 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:45:53 BST Subject: Tracklist for Glasgow Barrowlands? In-Reply-To: Stephen Lindsey's message of Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:43:15 -0400 Message-ID: Stephen Lindsey writes: > Mike, > > question: > > If you picked out "Sex In Space" from the setlist, how did you > do that ? (this is supposed to be the vinyl only bonus track > from the almost-but-not-quite released new album, right ?) > > So either you've already heard this somehow ??? Nah, it was obvious from what I could hear of the lyrics ;-) > Gig sounds great, glad to see that you're as incapable as myself > of remembering what was played when it comes to setlists ;-) Must have been something I ate. > Cheers, > Steve L. FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 13 11:48:54 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 11:48:54 -0400 Subject: BOC: Incorrect Expectations of WOTT\ Message-ID: O.K., I'm going to make a few points about WOTT one more time because apparently some may not have heard the first time and are dissappointed that the CD set is something that it was never intended to be. Whether one likes it or not, one should be clear as to what the product was suppossed to be - you wouldn't buy a car expecting it do your laundry, would you? 1. WOTT was always touted to be a BOC "Greatest Hits" package. 2. WOTT is NOT the "new BOC album" that Bloom refers to -- BOC are still trying to get a deal for a new studio album, but Sony's release of WOTT was NEVER intended to be that album. A new BOC studio album may very likely come on a new label. WOTT is Sony releasing music that it has legal rights to (i.e. Sony owns the rights to Columbia, under which all the stuff on WOTT was recorded by BOC). Also, Bloom has made it clear (at least to me) at concerts that BOC would have a new studio album out some time "in the future" (which would include "See You In Black", as well as probably "Still Burnin'", "Harvest Moon", "The Cold Grey Light of Dawn", and "The Power Underneath Despair"), and that Sony was releasing a new BOC album -- but those 2 albums were seperate. 3. Sony never intended on putting SFG/SWU stuff on WOTT -- well, maybe I don't know that for a fact; but I'm sure that once the 2 CD format was decided upon (which has been known for some time -- I believe Al Bouchard first informed us of this probably 8 or 9 months ago), that only BOC's greatest hits would be on there. Yes, there was a blurb in ICE magazine that had hinted of the SFG recordings, but it was stated there that that material was for a *future* release (i.e. beyond WOTT), and that negotiations with BOC were necessary to make that a reality. It has also been my (and other BOC-L'ers, as well as Bolle's) inference that future BOC releases by Sony will only happen if WOTT turns out to be financially successful -- that is I believe WOTT is Sony's way of spending little money (re-releasing stuff they already have) to see if there is still any chances for profit off of BOC. 4. For those who have asked, "Wings of Mercury" was at one time under consideration for *Club Ninja*, but apparently the band decided it wasn't right for the album - some may have felt it was too basic in it's lyrical content (yeah, I know some of the stuff we've heard since Club Ninja would fall in that category too). I personally liked the song, but since the band hasn't done it since '86, it probably isn't a candidate for any future BOC release (if you can't find a live tape with it, check out the *Into The Crypts of Rays* "import"). 5. WOTT was NOT aimed at "hardcore" BOC fans - any "greatest hits" compilation couldn't be for hardcore fans. Why? Because we've already got all that stuff. Why would any hardcore BOC fan want songs like, "The Reaper", "Godzilla", and "Burnin' For You" on any future release? Unless there's something unique about it, we don't need it because we've already got probably 3 or 4 other CDs, and maybe numerous live tapes with these songs on them already. The bottom line is this: WOTT is the best BOC compilation available on CD -- it has most of best songs (as allowable on 2 CDs - I've already talked about some of the sins of omission, so I won't repeat for now), better sound quality than some of the original recordings, some not- readily-available stuff, and is probably an ideal introduction of BOC to a potential new fan, or as a CD set for an older fan that hasn't got the whole BOC catalog on CD. If you aren't one of these people, then WOTT probably isn't for you (and if Sony really intended it to be as such, then of course they are very stupid indeed), and I wouldn't recommend you buy it. Except, I DO recommend you buy it -- because it is MY personal belief that if WOTT does not sell well enough to convince Sony that BOC may be viable commercially to them, then none of the SWU/SFG stuff will be released in the future. End of sermon - you can wake up now, John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 13 11:52:51 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 11:52:51 -0400 Subject: BOC: Stalk Forest Group/WOTT Message-ID: Andy writes: Beats me - I got mine nearly new (thanks, Alun!) shortly after release in '78. I suspect rarity will be more of an issue than price. It might even be a UK-only release. It is the sort of obscure item we might have expected on _WotT_, though. FYI, it was recorded in Commack, NY, no date given. "Citizens of Long Island! The talent you spawned has returned to its homeland," etc etc. It's a good, efficient version, but you can probably live without it. 6/8/75 I believe. I agree, this (and other b-sides) should've shown up on WOTT. This show was a King Biscuit broadcast -- did they remove the squeal of feedback during the second time the chorus was sang? John From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Oct 13 11:58:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 11:58:00 EDT Subject: Simpsons (was BOC: WOTT Downunder) Message-ID: > From: Peter Sondergeld > > BTW, off topic for a moment, and not wanting to start anything, I saw an > episode of the Simpsons last night (first time in years) where they all > visited Australia. It was a, umm, interesting interpretation of our culture ;-) >>> That is the understatement of the century! Paul-- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' <<< The Simpsons are an interesting interpretation of our culture too! Rudy From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Oct 13 12:54:08 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:54:08 -0400 Subject: I want to see you in black Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-13 11:19:54 EDT, you write: >You don't want to believe anything Bloom says about the "new album" - >he's been promising it "next summer" since late '92 at least. In the >computer biz, it'd be called "vapourware". > >- Andy > > and the Online Service that defined "vaporware" would be Prodigy..."uh, this SUMMER we'll have file libraries, interactive games" blah blah blah...yeah! we're still waitin' on the damn file library... anywho, one must wonder why BOC hasn't released a new album...doesn't BOC have the funding to record and produce their own CD on their own record label? if a local band like "Defender" (they suck!) can make their own CD, why can't BOC? ROBO From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Oct 13 18:13:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:13:00 BST-1 Subject: BOC: Stalk Forest Group/WOTT Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199510131552.LAA13941 at mbunix.mitre.org> > 6/8/75 I believe. I agree, this (and other b-sides) should've shown up > on WOTT. > > This show was a King Biscuit broadcast -- did they remove the squeal of > feedback during the second time the chorus was sang? > > John No, it's still there - proves it's the same version, anyway! Yes, even I (dilettante that I am :) might have been interested in _WotT_ if it had included this, and the live "Flaming Telepaths" b-side. OTOH, you'd probably have to be a "true fan", or some kind of masochist (if there's a difference :) to really want _Club Ninja_ out-takes. BTW, I'm 100% positive it's "talent", not "terror". - Andy From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Oct 13 18:18:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:18:00 BST-1 Subject: I want to see you in black Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <951013125407_123133427 at mail06.mail.aol.com> > anywho, one must wonder why BOC hasn't released a new album...doesn't > BOC > have the funding to record and produce their own CD on their own record > label? if a local band like "Defender" (they suck!) can make their > own CD, > why can't BOC? Not to mention the Brain Surgeons :) - Andy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 13 13:34:28 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:34:28 -0400 Subject: I want to see you in black Message-ID: That trick of promising new albums is nothing new for Eric--he's done it throughout the band's career. Promising an album that turns up a year later. I read about a supposed new BOC album in 'Guitar Shop' magazine at least a year ago. I don't know if it's a trick - I think its more bad judgement on Bloom's part. The new album was promised to be out in late '94/early '95 when I saw them during the summer of '94. Now, had they had a recording deal at that time, then no doubt the album might've been ready at that point. This was also a problem in the late 80's and early 90's as the legal wranglings for the Bad Channels soundtrack and "Cult Classic" were worked out. I think the band had originally hoped to have a studio album out rather than CC, but things didn't work out -- perhaps stupid to announce an album before the contracts are signed, but I don't think it was deliberate intentional deception. At least now Bloom seems to recognize this as he announces the new album to be out "in the future". Also, I don't think this was done "throughout the band's career" - but certainly in the last 6 or 7 years. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 13 13:39:39 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:39:39 -0400 Subject: I want to see you in black Message-ID: > anywho, one must wonder why BOC hasn't released a new album...doesn't > BOC > have the funding to record and produce their own CD on their own record > label? if a local band like "Defender" (they suck!) can make their > own CD, > why can't BOC? Not to mention the Brain Surgeons :) - Andy Yeah, but the Brain Surgeons don't suck! My guess is that BOC has refrained from releasing a CD on their own label for the following reasons: 1. They don't have the $ to do this, or don't want to part with it (probably closer to the truth) 2. They honestly believe a new deal with a major label is imminent (I'd like to believe this one too...) 3. They feel this would somehow tarnish their image. By the way, when I refer to BOC here, this probably applies to their management (or lack thereof) as well. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 13 15:28:06 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 14:28:06 EST Subject: I want to see you in black Message-ID: Date sent: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:34:28 -0400 Send reply to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: John A Swartz Subject: Re: I want to see you in black To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L That trick of promising new albums is nothing new for Eric--he's done it throughout the band's career. Promising an album that turns up a year later. I read about a supposed new BOC album in 'Guitar Shop' magazine at least a year ago. I don't know if it's a trick - I think its more bad judgement on Bloom's part. The new album was promised to be out in late '94/early '95 when I saw them during the summer of '94. Now, had they had a recording deal at that time, then no doubt the album might've been ready at that point. This was also a problem in the late 80's and early 90's as the legal wranglings for the Bad Channels soundtrack and "Cult Classic" were worked out. I think the band had originally hoped to have a studio album out rather than CC, but things didn't work out -- perhaps stupid to announce an album before the contracts are signed, but I don't think it was deliberate intentional deception. At least now Bloom seems to recognize this as he announces the new album to be out "in the future". Also, I don't think this was done "throughout the band's career" - but certainly in the last 6 or 7 years. John I hate to argue with an expert, but Eric promised Secret treaties about 8 months before it came out, and ditto for 'Agents.' I wasn't maligning him, as he's pretty much my all-time favorite frontman, I was just making an observation about his stage personna. theo From reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM Fri Oct 13 14:52:51 1995 From: reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 14:52:51 EDT Subject: I want to see you in black Message-ID: John, Seems you forgot option 4) i.e. maybe the material isn't good enough to release. RR From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 13 15:00:57 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:00:57 -0400 Subject: I want to see you in black Message-ID: Theo responds to me: Also, I don't think this was done "throughout the band's career" - but certainly in the last 6 or 7 years. John I hate to argue with an expert, but Eric promised Secret treaties about 8 months before it came out, and ditto for 'Agents.' I wasn't maligning him, as he's pretty much my all-time favorite frontman, I was just making an observation about his stage personna. theo Well, ya got me there. I was not aware of such facts (although it must have been a little different back then, since BOC had a legitamite record contract, so the future albums were a little more certain?). And you (and anyone else) can argue with me all ya want - I don't like to consider myself as an "expert" - just a gatherer and reporter of information, and a few of my own opinions. O.K., I think I've used up my quota for a day or two . . . John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Oct 13 15:18:40 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:18:40 +0100 Subject: LEMMY: The BAM Interview Pt. 1 Message-ID: And now, for your further horror and education, we present Lemmy from the pages of BAM magazine (thanks to Deb for having their address!): Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:45:00 -0700 > From: LorryMU at eworld.com > To: cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > Subject: Re: Lemmy article in BAM > > Here ya go: here's the first part, second part to follow: > > --------- > > Lemmy Kilmister Makes the Ultimate Sacrifice > > by Janiss Garza > > (First appeared in "BAM" magazine October 6, 1995) > > > When it comes to rock 'n' roll, Lemmy Kilmister has been there, done that, > and seen it all. His band, Motorhead, is one of the most influential in the > history of hard music. During their 20-year existence, Motorhead has made 18 > albums, been nominated for a Grammy award (for 1991's 1916), inspired artists > like Guns N' Roses and Metallica, and travelled the world over many times. > But even before Motorhead, Lemmy's career in rock had already spanned over a > decade. He saw the Beatles play Liverpool's Cavern Club in the very early > '60s. His first band of any note, the Rocking Vicars, was the first British > group to play behind the Iron Curtain. He roadied for Jimi Hendrix, and he > was in the infamous '70s cult band Hawkwind during their most productive era. > Currently, he's working on his autobiography--that is, when he isn't on the > road. Memoirs or no, Lemmy isn't about to hang up his bass and his mike > stand. After all, Motorhead has a new album to promote. > > Sacrifice, Motorhead 's latest disc on CMC Records, is as fierce and > unrelenting as any of the group's classic albums like "Ace of Spades" or "No > Sleep 'Til Hammersmith." Although Lemmy will reach the half-century mark at > the end of this year, it's clear that age hasn't slowed him down or tamed him > in the least. His digs in West Hollywood are filled with World War II > artifacts (he's an expert on the era), and that's symbolic of his fighting > spirit. The man has spent his life battling the evil forces of big business > and the record industry with his gritty, outspoken attitude. Controversy is > his middle name--and he likes it that way. > > > Originally MTV Europe said your video of "Sacrifice"--the title track of your > new album--had too many images of Hitler and wanted you to change that. > > Oh, it ended up we didn't have to take anything out. > > > Why not? > > Well, MTV Europe started playing it as it is, and it went over very big in > Germany! [laughs] I think they sort of felt a bit foolish, so they're playing > it as it is. [It came] from them not wanting to offend the Germans, you know > what I mean? I think it sort of backfired on 'em. That's how clever they are, > you know. > > > People might find an image of Hitler offensive, even though it's obviously in > a negative context. > > He existed, didn't he? Are people trying to pretend he didn't exist? Seeing > him makes him more attractive, that's what it is, and people hate that in > themselves. In the 20th century, he was the most popular ruler on the fucking > continent of Europe. And in America, they had Nazi rallies in Madison Square, > you know. I mean, nobody knew he was bad until afterward! Why aren't they > uptight about Jefferson Davis, then? People still hang the Confederate flag > outside their house in the South and nobody bitches about that, and they were > as racist as Hitler was. So, why isn't that a bad news sign? I mean, Robert > E. Lee is a big hero to the American people, isn't he? And he was crusading > for a slave state. You want to talk about the red Indians any time? Talk > about genocide! It's a perfect parallel, only Hitler failed, you succeeded. > So don't talk to me about Hitler. > > > One of the biggest problems with human nature, is... > > Put your head in the sand and it'll be OK. Well, he didn't go away. He > slaughtered a quarter of the world, any questions? And he was a nonsmoker, > non-drinker, vegetarian, nice, smart suit, short hair, well turned out. > [He'd] get served in any restaurant in America, unlike Jesse Owens, who was > the hero of the Olympics in 1936. He came home, covered in glory and eight > medals after showing Hitler the benefits of Democracy and inter-racial > society, and they wouldn't serve him dinner in a restaurant in his own town. > They're quite happy to ill-treat Jesse Owens, a returning black athlete, but > they try to pretend Hitler never happened. What the fuck's that? I mean, > there're clubs in America where Jews aren't allowed, still! > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Oct 13 15:21:39 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:21:39 +0100 Subject: LEMMY: The BAM Interview, Pt. 2 Message-ID: And here's the second half ... Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:45:40 -0700 > From: LorryMU at eworld.com > To: cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk > Subject: Re: Lemmy article in BAM > > > You must upset a lot of people when you discuss these things with them! > > Yeah. Well, people don't like the truth. But I do like the truth. I like it > because it upsets them. 'Cause if you show their arguments to be bullshit, > then, you know, maybe just one of them at some time will go, "Oh! Wait a > minute--I was wrong." That'd be good, wouldn't it? > > > How do you think the music industry's changed over the past 20 years, since > Motorhead began? > > Well, the music industry has always been shit. Good business is theft. I > mean, if you had a good business day, you stole somebody's money. That's what > good business is. People in the music industry think it's a commodity, > salesmanship thing--you know, selling cans of beans. I mean, most of the > people that promote bands have not even heard the bands they promote. They > just get a name that comes up in the shuffle every month, and you go out and > promote that, you know. And it's ludicrous when you see them trying to push > that, 'cause they don't know what we are. > > > Did you see music business people trying to push Hawkwind? > > Oh, yeah. > > > What did they do? > > You know, Hawkwind representatives got a free tie-dyed T-shirt and shit, the > usual. Dave [Brock, Hawkwind band leader] said we should send them all a tab > of acid! One time, with Jimi Hendrix, the press all came down to the studio > to get a free sandwich and a free drink and listen to "Axis: Bold As Love," > and we spiked all the sandwiches with acid, and all the coffee. And, of > course, these record business bastards were all lapping it up, you know, > cramming sandwiches in their mouths! In the fucking parking lot after the > thing, it was like Fellini's "Satyricon." You should have seen it! People > hiding under their cars, people hiding from their cars, people thinking they > were a car. There was all kinds of shit going on there. There was one guy > they never found again! I think he went to Malaysia. He just thought that the > Western world wasn't the thing for him, and off he went to find the true > golden path. He wrote back a few months later and said that's where he was. > Another promising career in theft ruined. He's probably much happier where he > is. He's probably dead, actually--probably got his throat cut on the way to > Mecca by a band of brigands. > > > How long have you lived in America now? > > Five years. Almost to the month. > > > Do you enjoy living here? > > I can't imagine living in England again. I can't imagine how I lived there > all that time. But that doesn't mean that America's better; it's just > different. The sun shines, it's nice and everything, but I could do without > that if I had to. But over here, there's many more amenities. I mean, I can > get my shit delivered to the door from the grocers, stuff like that. And > there's a lot more emphasis over here on give the customer what he wants, > instead of what you think he needs, and I like that. But having said that, > America's in a lot of trouble. It's a very racist place, from both sides. > > > Is it more racist than England is? > > Oh yeah--well, England is probably about the same, but they're sneakier about > it. See, we're great veterans of the diplomacy thing--you know, smile while > sticking a knife in your neck, you know. We're very good at that shit. Like, > we appeased Hitler, you know. There again, America never said, "No, don't!" > Did you know Charles Lindberg was visiting Hitler? > > > That's right! There's something else a lot of people would like to forget! > > Well, they don't want to hear about it, do they? It upsets their vision of > the world. If their beliefs are shown to be bullshit, what have they got > left? And it's too much trouble for people to change, you know. But they have > to, sooner or later. I just like nudging them. > > > > From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Oct 13 15:35:30 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:35:30 +0100 Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? Message-ID: I have some vague recollection of hearing that the London and Wolverhampton shows were in striking distance of Cambridge .... Is anyone taking either of these in (I'm sure folks are headed to London), and more importantly does anyone know the best way to get to either of these shows? I'd hate to miss a shot at catching a UK HW show, but I've no idea how to find my way to them! Cheers, Carl From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Oct 13 15:50:28 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:50:28 -0400 Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? Message-ID: Carl, your best bet is to travel to these gigs by train. I won't send details because its been a while since I was in England and they may have changed but I think you can get a direct train to London from Cambridge and then one direct to Wolverhampton. I guess in Wolverhampton they will play at the civic which is easy to find. I saw Deep Purple there in 1973, I think there is someone on the list from Wolverhampton. cheers Martyn From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Oct 13 16:29:58 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:29:58 -0400 Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? In-Reply-To: <9510131950.AA02362@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Oct 13, 95 03:50:28 pm Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > Carl, your best bet is to travel to these gigs by train. I second that. > I won't send details because its been a while since I was in England > and they may have changed but I think you can get a direct train > to London from Cambridge and then one direct to Wolverhampton. If you can get a direct train from Bangor to London, then I'm sure you should be able to get one from Cambridge! :-) Do British Rail still freely distribute their electronic timetable?? I know when I was at Bangor, we had a copy installed on the local PC network. The software is really handy, as you can get it to work out your journey (complete with train changes) according to your preferred departure or arrival time. Ask around your department, Carl, as someone might know where there is a copy you can use. Alternatively, you can always plan your journey by asking at your local BR station. Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Oct 13 16:59:35 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:59:35 -0400 Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? Message-ID: Interesingly yahoo (http://www.yahoo.com/Regional/Countries/United_Kingdom/Transportation/) says that BR timetables can be got from gopher.cam.ac.uk but when I tried that gopher, it wouldn't talk to me Happy trails Martyn From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Oct 13 19:18:11 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 19:18:11 -0400 Subject: HW: random Area S4 thoughts Message-ID: > > >> No "Sputnik Stan" on the CD EP version? :( Well, I hope > >Damn! > >Fofp: Is it too late to change the CD you picked up for me with vinyl? > >Paul > I found the CD version of this also, and jumped on it, but I would have prefered vinyl. I asked the store clerk to order the vinyl for me. I like the CD alot, but look foward to a live version of Alien hopefully soon. I seen the boys do this in Cleve. last spring, and it was amazing. I think Ron Trees punky voice and Calvertish actions blend well with the Hawks. By the way, they had an import CD of Pinkwind Festival of the Sun ( I think this is the title ) for 27.95 + tax. Is this a good price? I probably won't buy it, but if anyone out there wants it, I can pick it up for them. E-mail me directly on this. I finally got around to buying Xenon Codex and Hall of the Mt. Grill, and they are both simply amazing. I cannot believe how good both of these are. Wastelands of Sleep blows me away. This song is one of those songs you wish would just keep playing for about 10 mins. more than it is. Winds of Change on Grill is another one I wish wouldn't end for awhile. If I remember, someone here stated that the new Spiral Realms is similar to WoC. Knowing this I immediatly called the record store and added the new Spiral Realms to my order. Duane aa5287 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu OBCD: Melting Euphoria "Through the Strands of Time" -- From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Oct 13 22:44:53 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:44:53 -0400 Subject: Dominance&Submission '95 Message-ID: Albert, Joe, and Mike Watt rocked the house last night at Irving Plaza in NYC with Dominance & Submission... ya snooze, ya lose... From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Fri Oct 13 18:55:36 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:55:36 -0400 Subject: I want to see you in black Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Oct 1995 John A Swartz wrote: > I don't know if it's a trick - I think its more bad judgement on Bloom's > part. The new album was promised to be out in late '94/early '95 when > I saw them during the summer of '94. Now, had they had a recording > deal at that time, then no doubt the album might've been ready at > that point. but they did have a deal..... with Gary Steward's Forward label. Eric himself told me and so did Gary Steward. Schenck blew it according to Gary by not answering his calls about when he would deliver the finished masters. They missed their release date and were dropped. Eric also complained that they weren't getting that much of an advance to record it. He was probably trying to make me feel sorry for him. Ha. Fat chance - they've made their bed.... I wouldn't be surprized if #4 (not enough good stuff) was the proper guess. > rather than CC, but things didn't work out -- perhaps stupid to > announce an album before the contracts are signed, but I don't think > it was deliberate intentional deception. At least now Bloom seems to > recognize this as he announces the new album to be out "in the future". the contracts were signed but the album wasn't completely recorded, but yes it probably wasn't intentional deception...except maybe self-deception (which is usually not intentional)! Also putting out your own CD is not such a piece of cake. It doesn't have to cost a fortune but it is a lot of legwork (writing, rehearsing, recording, mixing, sequencing, mastering, artwork, layout, duplication, mailings, etc.) not to mention coming up with 40-70 mnts of great material. There are many steps along the way in which you can become discouraged. I read in the book "What the Buddha Taught" by Walpol Rahula that the 5th Hinderance is sceptical doubts and that scepticism can stop all forward motion. I've always thought that Steve Schenck is one of the most sceptical people I've ever known. I still think they need a new manager, either that or they should each find another gig. Pearlman may have been crazy at times. Maybe he wasn't so honest but at least he had some joy about him. He believed in the possibilities. I still do. Al From travsboc at CRL.COM Sat Oct 14 02:25:17 1995 From: travsboc at CRL.COM (S. F. Yee) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:25:17 -0700 Subject: BOC: "Bad Channels" as in bad Bad not Good? Message-ID: Sitting in front of me is a copy of the Original Motion Picture Soundtrack to "BAD CHANNELS" (music composed and performed by one Blue Oyster Cult; Full Moon Entertainment/Moonstone Records/Paramount 1992)... BOC do "Demon's Kiss" and "The Horseman Arrive" along with 19 filmsoundtracksnippets w/titles like "Bad Channels Overture" & "Spray That Scumbag." The aforementioned tracks were written by Eric, Buck & J. Shirley; the band was Eric, Buck, Allen, Jon Rogers & Chuck Burgi. 4 other bands you never heard of (including 1 produced by Sandy Pearlman) also contribute to this soundtrack. Question: Is this the most recent official BOC release of "new" material? And what became of "BAD CHANNELS"? Straight to video or straight to hell? --S.F. who would rather see them in Black From dzeiger at NETCOM.COM Sat Oct 14 03:11:01 1995 From: dzeiger at NETCOM.COM (David Zeiger) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 00:11:01 -0700 Subject: BOC: "Bad Channels" as in bad Bad not Good? In-Reply-To: from "S. F. Yee" at Oct 13, 95 11:25:17 pm Message-ID: > Question: Is this the most recent official BOC release of "new" material? > And what became of "BAD CHANNELS"? Straight to video or straight to hell? Full Moon Video (who made the movie) Is a straight-to-video-only company (there were plans for them to make an actual feature film, don't know if they ever panned out). All things considered, their efforts are pretty good, presuming you like slightly cheesy B-grade sci-fi/forror films. They've got a pretty decent cult following. Bad Channels itself wasn't the best Full Moon production I've seen, but not the worst either. It's most notable feature is that the female lead is ex-MTV star Martha Quinn (aside from the BOC soundtrack). AFAIK, this is the only "new" stuff to be released since Imaginos. I rather liked "Horsemen." -- David Zeiger dzeiger at netcom.com Windows 95: The Dracula of Operating Systems--it sucks up all your memory, bleeds your hard drive dry, and only works an average of 12 hours out of every 24. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Oct 14 07:20:14 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 12:20:14 +0100 Subject: Dominance&Submission '95 In-Reply-To: <951013224452_123553327@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Oct 13, 95 10:44:53 pm Message-ID: > Albert, Joe, and Mike Watt rocked the house last night at Irving Plaza in NYC > with Dominance & Submission... ya snooze, ya lose... Or alternatively, ya are several thousand miles away, ya lose ;) Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Oct 14 07:27:24 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 12:27:24 +0100 Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? In-Reply-To: <9510132029.AA15906@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> from "Paul Mather" at Oct 13, 95 04:29:58 pm Message-ID: > > Carl, your best bet is to travel to these gigs by train. > > I second that. > > > I won't send details because its been a while since I was in England > > and they may have changed but I think you can get a direct train > > to London from Cambridge and then one direct to Wolverhampton. Well, what would I do then? I know I can get a train from Cambridge to London, but presumably there will not be an enormous sign Greeting me as I step off the train saying "This Way To Hawkwind" ;) For example: where the hell is Brixton!? And when is that gig anyway? Cheers, Carl From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Oct 14 09:36:30 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 09:36:30 -0400 Subject: Simpsons (was BOC: WOTT Downunder) Message-ID: > The Simpsons are an interesting interpretation of our culture too! > > Rudy Oh! From my two trips to the states, I thought that it was accurate ;^) Paul (in Assassin mode) -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! Thought for the day: Intuition (n): an uncanny sixth sense which tells people that they are right, whether they are or not. From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Oct 14 09:37:04 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 09:37:04 -0400 Subject: HW: Review - Warrior on the Edge of Time Message-ID: Record Review: Hawkwind 'Warrior on the Edge of Time' ----------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: I've done this a few times now, but I still have *NO* literary talent whatsoever! In fact it's getting harder as I go :-( My humble opinion is mine, and no-one elses! I do know what I like though, and that means HAWKWIND! Any reference to record labels & catalog numbers reflects what my copy is, and is not necessarily the only (or original) release. Artist/s: Hawkwind Title: Warrior on the Edge of Time Label/Cat#: Dojo CD 84 1st Release: 1975 Lineup: Dave Brock, Nik Turner, Lemmy, Simon House, Simon King, Allan Powell, Mike Moorcock I only got my copy of this album last week, and had not listened to it for about 10 or 12 years (a friend had it from when it was released). I'd forgotten how great this album is! This was to be Hawkwind's sixth and final release (thankfully not final!), and was intended to be their 'swansong'. My God it would have been. The album opens with a two-part track. "Assault and Battery (Part I)" has some of Brock's best lyrics, albeit partly borrowed from Henry Wadsworth Longfellow (1846). This track shows a continued progression from Hawkwind's early work, which began with the previous album 'Hall of the Mountain Grill' and combines gentler synthesizer over a calmer bass line. It seques nicely into "The Golden Void (Part II)", which has a similar style, but with more pronounced saxaphone and violin. "The Wizard Blew His Horn" is more of a poem than a song, spoken (and penned) by Moorcock over the top of pieces of percussion and synthesizer, fading nicely into the instrumental 'jam' "Opa-Loka". This would be one of my favorite Hawkwind instrumentals, bar none. Percussion dominated, with lot's of spacey keyboard and flute, it's not too soft (like much of the subsequent album, 'Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music'), and not too heavy. This is one of those tracks that could quite happily go for ten or fifteen minutes. "The Demented Man" is reminiscent of some earlier Brock tracks, with it's acoustic guitar and slightly nasal vocals, interspersed with the sounds of sea birds in the background. Close your eyes and let that head sway! The howling wind is overlaid with electric guitar, and the pace increases as "Magnu" begins. This is the first 'rock' track on the album, a magneficent track which combines most of Hawkwind's trademarks. House's violin playing in conjunction with Turner's sax over the top of all the synthesizer, bass, drums and guitar really works well here. "Standing at the Edge" is another 'poem', with Turner bemoaning how dark it is at the edge of time, over the top of electronic effects with bursts of almost tribal drums. The eerie opening sounds of "Spiral Galaxy 28948", in traditional Hawkwind style, are soon joined by drums and guitar. The earlier tribal sounding drums herald the beginning of "Warriors", yet another Moorcock vocal piece. "Dying Seas", is the only piece penned by Turner on the album, but fits in with the 'edge of time' theme nicely. The other 'rock' track, "Kings of Speed" sounds very much like it is Lemmy-inspired, but strangely was written by Brock & Moorcock. The CD version of this album has the bonus "Motorhead", the last track written by Lemmy for Hawkwind before he was sacked in Canada during the 'WotEot' tour. This particular version of is unique in that it also includes House's violin, which definitely adds an extra dimension. Reading over this 'review', I feel that I haven't really done the album justice. It is without doubt one of the band's best efforts, and should be in every fans collection. Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! Thought for the day: Erotic (adj): using a feather as a sex aid. Kinky (adj): using the whole duck. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sat Oct 14 15:50:48 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:50:48 BST Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? In-Reply-To: C.E. Anderson's message of Sat, 14 Oct 1995 12:27:24 +0100 Message-ID: > For example: where the hell is Brixton!? At the end of the Victoria tube line, which passes through the station (King's Cross) where the Cambridge train terminates. > And when is that gig anyway? Next Saturday (21st), 6pm - 6am. I suggest finding a Londoner on the list who can put you up for the night (although if you last the distance, the trains will be running again when you come out). Last time HW played between 10 and 12. The rest of the event was support bands (some of which were very good). I'll be going, with a friend, and would like to meet up with other BOC-Lers. Unfortunately I probably can't offer any accommodation. Dave. > > Cheers, > Carl > From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sat Oct 14 13:09:15 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 13:09:15 -0400 Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? In-Reply-To: from "C.E. Anderson" at Oct 14, 95 12:27:24 pm Message-ID: C.E. Anderson writes: > Well, what would I do then? I know I can get a train from > Cambridge to London, but presumably there will not be an enormous sign > Greeting me as I step off the train saying "This Way To Hawkwind" ;) Tsk, tsk, Carl. Show some initiative. ;-) The next step is to find out where the nearest tube station is to the venue, and to obtain a map of the London tube system (most pocket diaries have them, for example). Your train probably gets into Kings Cross, so it should be fairly easy to work out which tube lines you need to travel to get to the gig. You can even telephone to find out the running times, if needs be. (I think the London tube route-planner is accessible via the WWW. I know the Tyneside Metro is, so the London tube ought to be, also.) Oh, btw, you can get *considerable* savings on your train ticket if you book it ahead of time, and fix both the departure and return time. (This also has the advantage of free seat reservations.) Having a student railcard also helps. You ought to qualify, since you are a full-time student. You can get a form from your local BR station, and get your dept. head to sign it, or get it stamped with the dept. seal. If you are planning on going to any gigs around the country by rail, a railcard can save you *mucho* money. In fact, it should pay for itself after one or two inter-city journeys. The ever-helpful, Paul. obCD: Pinkwind, _Festival of the Sun_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Oct 14 13:38:35 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 18:38:35 +0100 Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? In-Reply-To: <9510141709.AA28445@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> from "Paul Mather" at Oct 14, 95 01:09:15 pm Message-ID: > Tsk, tsk, Carl. Show some initiative. ;-) I did! I immediately turned to the fount of all knowledge and wisdom: BOC-L :) So I can see I'll have to get a student railcard right pronto and book my tickets. Speaking of which, is it necessary to buy tix to a UK HW gig in advance? On the US tour, I don't think anything sold out so one could just wander up to the door, buy and enter. Is this true in the UK, or should one avail oneself of TicketBastard (or the UK equivalent) ahead of time? There are many local customs to be sorted out here ... Thanks, all, for the info, Carl ObCD: Kingston Wall, Tri-logy From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sat Oct 14 13:52:28 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 13:52:28 -0400 Subject: I want to see you in black Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-13 13:52:35 EDT, you write: >My guess is that BOC has refrained from releasing a CD on their own label >for the following reasons: > >1. They don't have the $ to do this, or don't want to part with it (probably >closer to the truth) >2. They honestly believe a new deal with a major label is imminent (I'd >like to believe this one too...) >3. They feel this would somehow tarnish their image. > >By the way, when I refer to BOC here, this probably applies to their >management (or lack thereof) as well. > >John > > comments on #2 and #3: not to say that you're incorrect (since we're speculating anywho), if BOC thinks a record deal is just around the corner, then they've probly been thinkin that way for the past 7 years or so... also, the image of the band is tarnished if they can't put anything on vinyl...er, I mean CD...while I may not perceive BOC as "washed up" (although they have had their better days), there are others that feel that BOC is another "geezer" rock band destined for the Jurassic Park (On) Tour Forever.... if BOC would be able to release some new material, I think that it would be a killer CD...afterall, they've had all this time to perfect the songs...I'd Like To See You In Black could possibly hit the pop charts...that tune is HOT! ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sat Oct 14 13:55:29 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 13:55:29 -0400 Subject: I want to see you in black Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-13 14:59:52 EDT, you write: >John, > >Seems you forgot option 4) i.e. maybe the material isn't >good enough to release. > >RR > > > there aren't too many fans that don't like the new material... I'd Like To See You In Black has gotten rave reviews, judging from comments on the BOC bbs as well as by the headbanging done by the "passive" fans at the gigs... Still Burnin is also a fabulous tune...a follow-up to Burnin For You & Dancin In The Ruins... alot of people like Harvest Moon, and out of the new songs this is my least favorite...alot of people are fanatical about this tune, as much as I am about See You In Black... the other 2, Power Underneath Despair and Cold Grey Light of Dawn, I would grade as "B"...Cold Grey's chorus is too predictable, you could hear the chorus coming a mile away... if anyone would be interested in getting ahold of these tunes, I got a tape that has these songs (except I'd Like To See You In Black)...E me for details... robo From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sat Oct 14 13:56:07 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 13:56:07 -0400 Subject: BOC: "Bad Channels" as in bad Bad not Good? Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-14 02:45:37 EDT, you write: >Question: Is this the most recent official BOC release of "new" material? >And what became of "BAD CHANNELS"? Straight to video or straight to hell? > >--S.F. >who would rather see them in Black > > yes, the "new" material that hasn't been rehashed etc etc...Bad Channels is on video and can be seen from time to time on the Late Late Late Movie... ROBO From Prozaxs at AOL.COM Sat Oct 14 13:57:35 1995 From: Prozaxs at AOL.COM (Ken Long) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 13:57:35 -0400 Subject: boc at Jaxx Message-ID: Any readers planning on seeing BOC at Jaxx next friday? Ken From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Oct 14 14:05:25 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 19:05:25 +0100 Subject: HW: Cover Project Message-ID: there's been silence for awhile around the HW Cover Project. what's the current status? cheers - \\joe hawkjoe at eka.ericsson.se '...maa dina fienders skaegg vaexa inaat' From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Sat Oct 14 13:03:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 12:03:00 -0500 Subject: BOC: "Bad Channels" as in bad Bad not Good? Message-ID: -> Question: Is this the most recent official BOC release of "new" -> material? And what became of "BAD CHANNELS"? Straight to video or -> straight to hell? As far as the movie goes, I have seen it on the Sci/Fi channel. It has a real "Troma Film" feel to it and BOC's music is kinda hidden here and there in it. It would be a great MST3K film! The sucky part of it is, many of the other bands on the soundtrack perform in the movie (Fair game, Sykotik Sinfony, DMT) yet BOC who did all the "incidental" music, do not! If BOC performed Horsemen in the film, I would have plopped down some quatloos and picked up a copy. I don't always admit this, but I kinda like Manic Depresso and Mr. Cool. Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sat Oct 14 22:48:46 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 22:48:46 BST Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Sat, 14 Oct 1995 13:09:15 -0400 Message-ID: > Oh, btw, you can get *considerable* savings on your train ticket if > you book it ahead of time, I think this only applies to InterCity trains, e.g. London -> Wolverhampton. But you have to book over a week in advance, so its too late :-(. The Cambridge->London train is run by Network Southeast, and I don't think they do APEX fares. However, for 13 pounds or so you can buy a Network card that gives you a 1/3 reduction on all fares. (A student may be better off with a student's railcard, because that's valid on all trains (I think). Are list folk going to meet up before the gig, or shall we meet in the venue itself? (BTW, how does one get to the Academy from Brixton tube station?). Dave. From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sat Oct 14 19:00:29 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 19:00:29 -0400 Subject: Underbelly Updates Message-ID: Underbelly Updates: * Stairway - more 5 fave bands (a link to a UFO WWW site for you UFO fans!) * Scopes - Rock n Roll Hall of Fame, Digital Gallery, Geffen records and Indie Web * Lips - more on Scopes, more on Subliminal Messages and Meltzer ROBO http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sat Oct 14 19:00:34 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 19:00:34 -0400 Subject: boc at Jaxx Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-14 14:05:45 EDT, you write: >Any readers planning on seeing BOC at Jaxx next friday? > >Ken > > I hope to... ROBO From dzeiger at NETCOM.COM Sat Oct 14 19:46:20 1995 From: dzeiger at NETCOM.COM (David Zeiger) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 16:46:20 -0700 Subject: BOC: "Bad Channels" as in bad Bad not Good? In-Reply-To: <8B302D3.0001000BB1.uuout@nor.mkl.com> from "ROBERT SEDLER" at Oct 14, 95 12:03:00 pm Message-ID: > many of the other bands on the soundtrack perform in the movie (Fair > game, Sykotik Sinfony, DMT) yet BOC who did all the "incidental" music, > do not! If BOC performed Horsemen in the film, I would have plopped down > some quatloos and picked up a copy. Well, "Demon's Kiss" *was* played (fractionally, pre-takeover of the station) if they didn't perform. > > I don't always admit this, but I kinda like Manic Depresso and Mr. Cool. Sykotic Sinfony was the only non-BOC band to show any talent whatsoever, IMHO. Strange costumes, though :-). -- David Zeiger dzeiger at netcom.com Windows 95: The Dracula of Operating Systems--it sucks up all your memory, bleeds your hard drive dry, and only works an average of 12 hours out of every 24. From skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM Sun Oct 15 01:29:29 1995 From: skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM (Skip Galvin) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 22:29:29 -0700 Subject: BOC: "Bad Channels" as in bad Bad not Good? In-Reply-To: <199510142346.QAA04593@netcom22.netcom.com> Message-ID: David writes: "Sykotic Sinfony was the only non-BOC band to show any talent whatsoever, IMHO. Strange costumes, though :-)." Hey what about Joker's classic Jane Jane (The Hurricane) "Out on the streets Ya fight for your life red lipstick and a switchblade knife Nobody knows the trouble she's in she's fights tough she's gonna get mean Jane Jane the hurricane heart of stone but she feels no pain" Give it a chance, it's quality joke rock! From bthacker at ALCOR.UNM.EDU Sun Oct 15 02:32:42 1995 From: bthacker at ALCOR.UNM.EDU (Brian R. Thacker) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 00:32:42 -0600 Subject: BOC Albuquerque... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well I just got back from my first BOC show and all things aside, it was awesome (other than the fact it was like 50 degrees out, and the sound crew just couldn't seem to get things right. The voc's kept fading in and out, while Buck's guitar solo's were only brought out about halfway through them!. It did seem to be quite short (only about hour and 15 minutes, but I'm used to playing in a ska band in dance clubs were we half to do 2 hour sets), but the two new song they did were great. (I'd Like to See You in Black, and Harvest Moon (which to me sounds like a cross between stuff from Imaginos and The Red and the Black!). Allen Lanier did and awesome keyboard intro to Take Me Away. I can't remember the entire set, but then again it did seem a little short to me, IMHO. Anyway, my first BOC concert was still a blast! Brian R. Thacker _________/ Never look at the trombones, bthacker at mail.unm.edu (_|_______\__________ it only encourages them. Albuquerque, NM >_|_|______) - Richard Strauss Trombonist, Otis Reem http://www.unm.edu/~bthacker/public.html From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Sun Oct 15 09:55:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 09:55:00 BST-1 Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <11669.9510142148 at abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> > > > Are list folk going to meet up before the gig, or shall we meet in the > venue itself? (BTW, how does one get to the Academy from Brixton tube > station?). > > Dave. I dunno - we could meet at the Prince Albert in Coldharbour Lane or something? It's easy to find the Acadamy - turn right as you get out of the tube, left at the lights (about 100 yds), there you go. Just follow the crowds - the Hawkwind fans will be easy to spot! :) Alternatively, follow the trail of ticket touts :( - Andy ObCD: Eric Serra - _Leon - Bande Originale du Film_ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Oct 15 07:27:06 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:27:06 +0100 Subject: Simpsons (was BOC: WOTT Downunder) In-Reply-To: from "Paul G Ward" at Oct 14, 95 09:36:30 am Message-ID: > > The Simpsons are an interesting interpretation of our culture too! > > Oh! From my two trips to the states, I thought that it was accurate > ;^) Actually, being a US citizen, I didn't think they were that far off either! ;) Carl From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sun Oct 15 11:30:54 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 10:30:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Review - Warrior on the Edge of Time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Oct 1995, Paul G Ward wrote: > Title: Warrior on the Edge of Time > I'd forgotten how great this album is! This was to be Hawkwind's sixth > and final release (thankfully not final!), and was intended to be > their 'swansong'. My God it would have been. I've not heard this before. Why was the band planning to quit after Warrior? Was this the first of Brock's planned hiatuses? > The > other 'rock' track, "Kings of Speed" sounds very much like it is > Lemmy-inspired, but strangely was written by Brock & Moorcock. The lyrics are derived from Moorcock's Jerry Cornelius stories and novels. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sun Oct 15 15:46:50 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:46:50 -0400 Subject: Dominance&Submission '95 Message-ID: Well get us a gig in your college, Carl, or yer pub! :-) --DF From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sun Oct 15 16:44:28 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 16:44:28 -0400 Subject: BOC: "Bad Channels" as in bad Bad not Good? Message-ID: >The aforementioned tracks were written by Eric, Buck & J. Shirley; the >band was Eric, Buck, Allen, Jon Rogers & Chuck Burgi. 4 other bands you >never heard of (including 1 produced by Sandy Pearlman) also contribute >to this soundtrack. Is Sykotic Symphony one of these bands? The movie was worth watching just to see them. That of course and the unforgettable Martha Quinn M From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sun Oct 15 16:48:48 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 16:48:48 -0400 Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? Message-ID: > Well, what would I do then? I know I can get a train from >Cambridge to London, but presumably there will not be an enormous sign >Greeting me as I step off the train saying "This Way To Hawkwind" ;) > For example: where the hell is Brixton!? And when is that gig >anyway? > >Cheers, >Carl Come on man, show a little resource!! Buy an A-Z of London and hop on the tube. There is a stop near to Brixton (can't remember the name, sorry). When you come out of the tube station, follow the long haired people wearing Afghans :-) The train to Wolverhampton goes from Paddington Cheers Martyn From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 16 01:01:15 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:01:15 BST Subject: HW: Review - Warrior on the Edge of Time In-Reply-To: Paul G Ward's message of Sat, 14 Oct 1995 09:37:04 -0400 Message-ID: Paul G Ward writes: > > Record Review: Hawkwind 'Warrior on the Edge of Time' > ----------------------------------------------------- Some additional info: THe "We are humanity's scythe" lyric is from Moorcock's first "Erekose" book "The Eternal Champion". The track "Kings of Speed" was originally written for Moorcock's "New Worlds Fair" album. FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 16 01:03:26 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 01:03:26 BST Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Sun, 15 Oct 1995 09:55:00 BST-1 Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > I dunno - we could meet at the Prince Albert... Is that on the Ring Route? FoFP From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 16 03:49:22 1995 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:49:22 +0100 Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? Message-ID: >Andrew Gilham writes: > >> I dunno - we could meet at the Prince Albert... > >Is that on the Ring Route? > >FoFP Hi the last place to meet is the Prince Albert it is a men only pub if you get my drift. If any one wants tickets for the Civic Hall let me know today, then I suggest me meet up prior to the gig . Let me know if you need tickets then i'll sort out a meeting place near the railway station. I suggest the Feline and Firkin. ps if anyone needs to stay overnight let me know.. Derrick... --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk Talk Waylander at 147.188.64.112 "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. --------------------------------------------- From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Oct 16 08:57:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:57:00 BST-1 Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9510160103.aa09681 at uk.ac.ed.castle> > we could meet at the Prince Albert... > > Is that on the Ring Route? > > FoFP Ah - such piercing wit! :) - Andy From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Oct 16 09:00:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 09:00:00 BST-1 Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9510160749.AA15746 at sun1.bham.ac.uk> > Hi the last place to meet is the Prince Albert it is a men only pub if > you > get my drift. Bloody hell - didn't used to be! Oh well, I'm open to better suggestions... - Andy From Niko.Makila at CSC.FI Mon Oct 16 04:09:54 1995 From: Niko.Makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:09:54 +0200 Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 14 Oct 1995 18:38:35 +0100." Message-ID: Some off-topic bad news to the Kingston Wall- and/or Kaurismaki-aware people on the list. Carl's message dated: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 18:38:35 +0100 > > ObCD: Kingston Wall, Tri-logy Kingston Wall's guitarist Walli died a couple of months ago, so they likely won't record again. Actor Matti Pellonpaa also died a while ago. I think they both had heart attacks. //niko From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Mon Oct 16 09:43:34 1995 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 09:43:34 BST Subject: HW: Lancaster Gig Message-ID: Wow, What a great show, I'm still in a state of Euphoria :-) >From what I can remember the set list went something like this : Death Trap Wastelands Are You Losing Your Mind The Golden Void Alien (I Am) Blue Skin Sputnik Stan ? Robot ? ? Space Sex Avante Lord Of Light Silver Machine Welcome To The Future ------------------------- Hassan I Sabba / Space Is Their Palestine What a great line up, Ron really does add that extra something. He came on stage with a painted torso and wearing a helmet staggering around and clutching the back of his neck in pain. (In the back of my neck I feel a stange sensation - Death Trap) Alien I am sounded much more powerful when played live, but the high point for me was the resurrection of Lord Of Light - what a belter, it's hard to imagine that song is over twenty years old. Space Sex was really good too (the song that is!) with the chorus going something like: Love in space, I dream of you Love in space, I bleed for you Love in space, I cry for you Love in space, I'd die for you With the two dancers getting to know each other better on the stage this proved to be a very smoochy number indeed :) The show finished in a very hot and sweaty manner with Hassan I Sabbah. Ron produced a huge sabre from the depths of his armpit hair and started wielding it above the heads of the madly flailing crowd. It's a miracle that nobody got decapitated (although several had already lost their heads!). Trevor was there with his Hawkfrendz stall and Brian finally solved the mystery of U.S.S.M.R. which appeared on the Alien Tour flyer. It was the release date of........wait for it.............Utah Saints Silver Machine Remix. Two T-shirts were available: an Alien Tour shirt with an arrowhead shaped motif on the front depicting aliens and a pregnant squaw (could this be the new album artwork?), and a T-shirt of Hawkwind's Galactic Tour from way back in 2079, the back featuring such historic gigs as : Mars - Uncle Sam's Bar, Spiral Galaxy 28948, and many others still to come. I only wish I was going to Manchester tonight............ Later, Keith From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Oct 16 05:08:59 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 05:08:59 -0400 Subject: HW: Review - Yuri Gagarin !!???!?!?! Message-ID: Record Review: Hawkwind 1973 'Bring me the Head of Yuri Gagarin' ---------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: I've done this a few times now, but I still have *NO* literary talent whatsoever! In fact it's getting harder as I go :-( My humble opinion is mine, and no-one elses! I do know what I like though, and that means HAWKWIND! Any reference to record labels & catalog numbers reflects what my copy is, and is not necessarily the only (or original) release. Artist/s: Hawkwind Title: Bring me the Head of Yuri Gagarin Label/Cat#: Demi Monde DM 002 1st Release: 1985 Lineup: Robert Calvert, Lemmy, Nik Turner, Dave Brock, Dik Mik, Del Dettmar, Simon King, Miss Stacia All Hawkwind does not pass through my ears as if they were lined in velvet! This release, subtitled 'Meltdown at the Empire Pool' is one such record. It is a really bad example of live Hawkwind, and I am at a loss as to why it was ever released. It contains (live from 1973) 'Dissonant archive material previously unavailable'. I wonder why? The track list itself includes some impressive tracks, most of which sound like they were performed with typical Hawkwind gusto. It just doesn't come through on the album due to the poor recording. My first impression when I bought this album (which incidentally has not been back on my turntable in the last 10 years until today) was that it was recorded on a portable cassette recorder from the middle of the crowd. The only thing which could be considered in any way clear, is a fan screaming 'Silver Machine' when Brock asks the audience what they want as an encore. Throughout the album, any emotional effect which may have been produced during the gig's is completely drowned out by resonating bass to the point where you can barely hear the extremely muddy vocals. The album opens with "Gaga"/"In the Egg" which is a 'Countdown' like concert introduction, followed by "Orgone Accumulator". The spoken word "Wage War" leads into what was most likely a great live performance of "Urban Guerrilla", but who can tell? Side two begins with a possibly awesome "Master of the Universe", followed by "Welcome to the Future", and the encore "Sonic Attack" which seques into "Silver Machine". If you ever see this album in the store, grab it with both hands .... and break the stupid thing across your knee! Assassin Sonique' -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! Thought for the day: Advertising (n): the science of arresting the human intelligence for long enough to get money from it. -- Stephen Leacock. From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Oct 16 05:09:07 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 05:09:07 -0400 Subject: HW: Review - Levitation Message-ID: Record Review: Hawkwind 'Levitation' ------------------------------------ Disclaimer: I've done this a few times now, but I still have *NO* literary talent whatsoever! In fact it's getting harder as I go :-( My humble opinion is mine, and no-one elses! I do know what I like though, and that means HAWKWIND! Any reference to record labels & catalog numbers reflects what my copy is, and is not necessarily the only (or original) release. Artist/s: Hawkwind Title: Levitation Label/Cat#: Bronze L 37498 1st Release: 1980 Lineup: Dave Brock, Huw Lloyd-Langton, Harvey Bainbridge, Tim Blake, Ginger Baker. 'A Headphone Album' So its says on the rear cover, and this is absolutely correct. This album makes a great companion to the previous release, 'Live 79', due mainly to the briliant synthesizer work of Blake. The sound quality is on this recording is also quite incredible. The rocky guitar which opens "Levitation", the title track, is simply mind blowing. The bass breaks throughout the track are accompanied by electronic warbles, wild lead guitar work, and raw Hawkwind energy. The 'full' sound of the opening track ends, and the gentler "Motorway City" begins. Rythym guitar and keyboards dominate this track, along with more brilliant drum work and synth. The very short "Psychosis" begins with the sound of a gigantic spacecraft passing overhead, joined by a warbling synth effect panning from side to side, fading out to more electronic effects as it pulsates into the drum dominated instrumental "World of Tiers". The drum work gives way to dreamy synth/guitar/keyboard sequences, only to come back with a vengeance once more. The accompanying guitar and keyboard work really add to this track. Side two begins with "Prelude" a short 'wind-swept' synth-based instrumental which could be considered as an extended introduction to "Who's Gonna Win the War". This piece, with it's methodic bass-line and powerful lyrics focuses on the devastation of the world during a nuclear holocaust with great effect. The feelings of despair give way rapidly when "Space Chase" begins. Beginning with random beeps and pops, the heavy guitar, drums and keyboards soon break in. The imagery in this track is quite remarkable - you really can picture yourself in the middle of a battle deep in space as the chase begins! Apparently '(from the film)', whatever that means, "The 5th Second of Forever" changes a number of times from slow, gentle, guitar accompanied by trickles of water in the background (sounding distinctly like it was lifted from the middle ages), to fast and rocky space rock, with the assistance of a space or air craft passing overhead. The final track, "Dust of Time" is sequed into nicely. This relatively rocky piece closes the album in just the right way. It 'feels' like the end of the story (if there was one), and I especially like the way the electric piano is gradually joined by bass, drums and guitar as it builds to the final verse. Without sounding too biased, _Levitation_ has to be in my top ten of all records (not just Hawkwind records). I have been surprised numerous times by people (who you never would have pictured as Hawkwind fans) saying "I've heard of Hawkwind - didn't they do that Levitation album? I love that, can you tape it for me?" Enuf said! Assassin Sonique' -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! Thought for the day: Communist (n): one who has given up all hope of becoming a Capitalist. From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Mon Oct 16 06:39:34 1995 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (cis4 at ABER.AC.UK) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:39:34 +0100 Subject: BOC: "Bad Channels" as in bad Bad not Good? Message-ID: David Zeiger writes >Sykotic Sinfony was the only non-BOC band to show any talent whatsoever, >IMHO. Strange costumes, though :-). In many other humble opinions too, Manic Depresso never fails to pack the dancefloor when I play it at the club I DJ, mind you IMHO the guy from Fair Game has a great voice & for (what I view as) a grunge band, DMT arent bad either. I I I - - - O - - - I I- - ) - - - From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 16 06:53:56 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:53:56 +0100 Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Oct 16, 95 08:57:00 am Message-ID: > In-Reply-To: <9510160103.aa09681 at uk.ac.ed.castle> > > we could meet at the Prince Albert... > > > > Is that on the Ring Route? > > > > FoFP > > Ah - such piercing wit! :) All right, let's stop all this dicking around .... Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 16 06:56:16 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:56:16 +0100 Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? In-Reply-To: <199510160809.KAA15244@darkstar.csc.fi> from "Niko Makila" at Oct 16, 95 10:09:54 am Message-ID: > Some off-topic bad news to the Kingston Wall- and/or Kaurismaki-aware > people on the list. > > Kingston Wall's guitarist Walli died a couple of months ago, so they > likely won't record again. Actor Matti Pellonpaa also died a while > ago. I think they both had heart attacks. Don't know Pellonpaa, but's a real shame about Walli. I thought his work on Tri-Logy was extremely cool. Kind of Ozrics meet Zeppelin meet Hendrix, so if that sound's interesting pick it up and give it a spin for Pete Walli. Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 16 07:00:56 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:00:56 +0100 Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? In-Reply-To: <9510152048.AA03740@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Oct 15, 95 04:48:48 pm Message-ID: > Come on man, show a little resource!! Buy an A-Z of London > and hop on the tube. There is a stop near to Brixton (can't remember > the name, sorry). When you come out of the tube station, follow > the long haired people wearing Afghans :-) I did actually, buy an A-Z of London, however, with great presence of mind it's in a box in the States waiting to be shipped to England! :} However, by various methods I have figured out that Brixton is at the end of the Victoria line ... Now in the states, somewhere like HMV will often have a TicketBastard outlet where it is vital that one acquire a ticket before hand for most shows outside of small clubs--is this also the case in the UK or is it likely that one could appear randomly at Brixton and buy a ticket at the door? Cheers, Carl From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Sun Oct 15 14:16:53 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 19:16:53 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind bootleg Message-ID: Hi folks I've found the following offer in the BOOTLEG newsgroup: ================================================== From: Ande Tucker Hawkwind The Cyberspace Conspiracy --- $10 (+ S&H) Recorded live at Rock City in Nottingham on May 18th 1990 1) Assault & Battery 2) The Golden Void 3) Out Of The Shadows 4) Snake Dance 5) Utopia 6) Ejection 7) Damnation Alley 8) Wind Of Change A numbered limited edition of 250 vinyl albums. ----------------------------------------------- SHIPPING & HANDLING: In the US - $4 for the first item and $2 each extra item. All packages sent insured. Outside the US - Please enquire for your postage costs on your order. ----------------------------------------------- PAYMENT: Money Order in $US, personal check in $US (please allow time to clear) & Internation Money Order in $US. Do not send cash. ----------------------------------------------- Email: a_tucker at deltanet.com Ande Tucker. P.O. Box 5593, Huntington Beach, California, 92615, U.S.A. ----------------------------------------------- ======================================================= BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de Tel: Germany 0209 398740 Fax: 0209 33785 (16.00h-23.00h CET) From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Oct 16 12:45:26 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:45:26 BST Subject: HW: Nik T in Bath Message-ID: I was in Bath at the weekend and popped around to the Hub Club, they had posters up saying that the TNT Hawkwind gig was actually on Wednesday (the 18th), and not today. bye - Rob From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Mon Oct 16 07:37:59 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 07:37:59 EDT Subject: BOC/Various Thoughts Message-ID: I have to agree with John Swartz re: WOTT. It is better for the new fan just getting into BOC. There was also an argument presented on the list about buying WOTT so that its successful and Sony thinks BOC is worth the effort. Its a good point, but how many people have that kind of $$$ to blow? If anyone has that much dough burning a hole in their pocket, I'm taking donations..... :-) Another thing-From time to time I've been noticing some posts that seem to assume an attitude that a BOC tune that is commercially successful isn't very good. I certainly don't feel that way. Another problem I have with ANY band, even my beloved BOC, is doing covers of other songs. I know, I know, "Born to be Wild" and "We Gotta Get Out of This Place" are BOC staples at concerts. That's a real shame as far as I'm concerned. When I see a band or buy a CD, I don't want other groups' songs on there. If I wanted that, I'd buy the other CD in the first place. I want originality! Perhaps this will provide balance to some of the opinions being expressed. -Dr. Bob rkohl at state.de.us From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Oct 16 05:59:19 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 20:59:19 +1100 Subject: HW: Review - Warrior on the Edge of Time Message-ID: > I've not heard this before. Why was the band planning to quit after > Warrior? Was this the first of Brock's planned hiatuses? I can't remember the reason exactly, but it had something to do with Brock deciding that the band had done everything it could .... it seems that the resulting album changed his mind! Can anyone more knowledgeable shed some light on this ? > > The > > other 'rock' track, "Kings of Speed" sounds very much like it is > > Lemmy-inspired, but strangely was written by Brock & Moorcock. > > The lyrics are derived from Moorcock's Jerry Cornelius stories and > novels. Thanks for this info (and also to 'fofp' who provided the same). I'll add it as a footnote on the WWW page. Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! Thought for the day: Erotic (adj): using a feather as a sex aid. Kinky (adj): using the whole duck. From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Oct 16 07:06:09 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 22:06:09 +1100 Subject: HW: Review - Sonic Attack Message-ID: Record Review: Hawkwind 'Sonic Attack' -------------------------------------- Disclaimer: I've done this a few times now, but I still have *NO* literary talent whatsoever! In fact it's getting harder as I go :-( My humble opinion is mine, and no-one elses! I do know what I like though, and that means HAWKWIND! Any reference to record labels & catalog numbers reflects what my copy is, and is not necessarily the only (or original) release. Artist/s: Hawkwind Title: Sonic Attack Label/Cat#: RCA RCALP6004 1st Release: 1981 Lineup: Dave Brock, Huw Lloyd-Langton, Mike Moorcock, Martin Griffin, Harvey Bainbridge Yet another change in style for Hawkwind, this is an album with attitude! For some reason, some fans don't rate it highly, but I for one cannot imagine why. It opens with a re-working of "Sonic Attack", while possibly lacking a little of the fervor of the original live version, this highly electronic effect oriented version arguably has a much more modern feel. It would have been interesting to hear it performed live for comparison. The up-beat "Rocky Paths" follows (noticeably with Langton behind the microphone), has great rythym and some brilliant guitar work. The seque into "Psychosonia" makes it difficult to distinguish where one track ends and the next begins. The punchy bass gives way to strange chatterings, soon overpowered a scream for silence as the music begins anew. Play this one up loud! "Virgin of the World" is more experimental in nature, with it's flittering keyboards and background noises, and a single ghostly vocal lyric. As it fades into the distance, and "Angels of Death" begins, turn the volume control up again. This track is absolutely fantastic. You can feel how helplessly evil the subjects of the track are, the dominant drum and bass pushing the feeling down the back of your neck, while the backing guitar riffs and synth effects all adding to the power. Side two begins a little more gently, with light rock "Living on a Knife Edge". I really like this track, but it may be a bit plain for many hard-core fans. Brock may be trying to send us the message about how we owe our descendants to look after our planet a little too hard in the opening verses, but you just gotta love the way the pace slows down then picks up again (in typical Hawkwind style) for the final chorus. The attitude comes back with a vengeance in Moorcock's "Coded Languages". His forceful vocals over the top of almost psychedelic keyboards, and multiply sampled voices which get blasted away as the drums and guitar begin is bloody awesome! If you really don't care what the neighbours think of you, play this one REALLY LOUD! (Especially the shattering glass at the end!) "Disintegration" is another slightly experimental piece, with pleading vocals over the top of some panning (intentionally) distorted synth, but the first drum-beats of "Streets of Fear" soon comes in over the top. Another full-bodied guitar/drum/keyboard track, and lyrics with an attitude, the (possibly generated rather than natural) dual hand claps at the end of each line of vocals adds an interesting effect. True to form, the pace drops halfway through for some quieter keyboard work, only to pick up again as the guitar and drums come once again to the fore. The album concludes with "Lost Chances", another slightly slower track with (slightly) jerky vocals which fits in nicely with the general theme of the album. I'm not sure wether it isintentional or not, but once again, Hawkwind conclude with a track that sounds like a 'conclusion'. Really, this is album should be in your collection. It is a drastic change in many ways from the previous album 'Levitation', but by now no Hawkfan should be surprised at that! Assassin Sonique' -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! Thought for the day: The only thing that hurts more than paying income tax is not having to pay income tax. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 16 08:26:40 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:26:40 -0400 Subject: I want to see you in black Message-ID: Albert Bouchard writes: Also putting out your own CD is not such a piece of cake. It doesn't have to cost a fortune but it is a lot of legwork (writing, rehearsing, recording, mixing, sequencing, mastering, artwork, layout, duplication, mailings, etc.) not to mention coming up with 40-70 mnts of great material. There are many steps along the way in which you can become discouraged. I read in the book "What the Buddha Taught" by Walpol Rahula that the 5th Hinderance is sceptical doubts and that scepticism can stop all forward motion. I've always thought that Steve Schenck is one of the most sceptical people I've ever known. I still think they need a new manager, either that or they should each find another gig. Pearlman may have been crazy at times. Maybe he wasn't so honest but at least he had some joy about him. He believed in the possibilities. I still do. And many of us are glad for it, Al! Hope you keep cranking 'em out for years to come. Not to get too off topic here (but I will), but those are some interesting observations regarding scepticism -- one of the things I've been teaching to some people studying the martial arts is how powerful the mind is, and how this works for you and against you. In the case of working against you, it is very important to be able to learn to go beyond what you mind tells you that you can't do, and how defeating an opponent starts by eliminating any doubts in your own mind about doing so, but instilling those doubts in your opponent's. Hmm...maybe the real reason there's no new BOC release is because no-one believes it can be done? John From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Oct 16 08:30:28 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:30:28 -0400 Subject: HW: Kingston Wall In-Reply-To: <199510160809.KAA15244@darkstar.csc.fi> from "Niko Makila" at Oct 16, 95 10:09:54 am Message-ID: > > Some off-topic bad news to the Kingston Wall- and/or Kaurismaki-aware > people on the list. > > Carl's message dated: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 18:38:35 +0100 > > > > ObCD: Kingston Wall, Tri-logy > > Kingston Wall's guitarist Walli died a couple of months ago, so they > likely won't record again. Actor Matti Pellonpaa also died a while > ago. I think they both had heart attacks. > > //niko > Damn! I really like(d) these guys (KW). Not a good year for guitarists... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Oct 16 08:33:19 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:33:19 +0100 Subject: I want to see you in black In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:26:40 EDT." <199510161226.IAA18852@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: John gets very Zen > In the case of working against you, it is very important to be able > to learn to go beyond what you mind tells you that you can't do, > and how defeating an opponent starts by eliminating any doubts in > your own mind about doing so, but instilling those doubts in your > opponent's. Or, according to last night's TV, inserting extraneous initials into your name > John Cheers, Tim G N Fulcher :-) Mind you, the couple who had trepanned themselves seemed quite normal ! From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Oct 16 08:39:48 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:39:48 -0400 Subject: boc at Jaxx In-Reply-To: <951014135732_44516279@mail02.mail.aol.com> from "Ken Long" at Oct 14, 95 01:57:35 pm Message-ID: > > Any readers planning on seeing BOC at Jaxx next friday? > > Ken > Not me, too far away, but if you get the chance to say "hi" to the leader of the opening band, Frank of Frankie and the Action, tell 'em Craig Shipley said hello. (He was guitar buddies with my wife back in high school days. My wifes' name was Victoria Uhlhorn back then. Hell, buy 'em a beer, you don't know, you may get backstage ;-)). -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Oct 16 13:19:15 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:19:15 BST Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? Message-ID: > > > Hi the last place to meet is the Prince Albert it is a men only pub if > > you > > get my drift. > > Bloody hell - didn't used to be! Oh well, I'm open to better > suggestions... > > - Andy > Is the Prince Albert the first pub you come to after turning right out of Brixton tube station? Everyone seemed to be meeting there before the megadog all-nighter, so it should be all-right. I'll probably be there anyway, they've got some great beers and it's dead handy for the gig. cheers - Rob From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Oct 16 13:32:53 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:32:53 BST Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? Message-ID: > > I did actually, buy an A-Z of London, however, with great presence > of mind it's in a box in the States waiting to be shipped to England! :} > However, by various methods I have figured out that Brixton is at the end > of the Victoria line ... > Now in the states, somewhere like HMV will often have a > TicketBastard outlet where it is vital that one acquire a ticket before > hand for most shows outside of small clubs--is this also the case in the UK > or is it likely that one could appear randomly at Brixton and buy a ticket > at the door? > It's possible, depending on how popular the gig is. Going by the past few all-nighters it probably won't sell out and you'd be able to get tix on the door, but perhaps it would be a good idea to phone the venue and check. The number for the Brixton Academy box office is 0171 924 9999. bye - Rob From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Oct 16 13:29:44 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:29:44 BST Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? Message-ID: > > Next Saturday (21st), 6pm - 6am. I suggest finding a Londoner on the > list who can put you up for the night (although if you last the distance, > the trains will be running again when you come out). Last time HW played > between 10 and 12. The rest of the event was support bands (some of which > were very good). > I wouldn't leave too early. In '91 HW played two sets at the all-nighter, one at about 10pm and another at about 3-4am. Apart from that all the bands look quite interesting this year, unlike the last one where it was just techno bands after Hawkwind had finished. I'm really looking forward to seeing Radical Dance Faction again. bye - Rob From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 16 09:27:30 1995 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:27:30 +0100 Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? Message-ID: >> > Hi the last place to meet is the Prince Albert it is a men only pub if >> > you >> > get my drift. >> Bloody hell - didn't used to be! Oh well, I'm open to better >> suggestions... Andy > Is the Prince Albert the first pub you come to after turning > right out of Brixton tube station? Everyone seemed to be meeting > there before the megadog all-nighter, so it should be all-right. > I'll probably be there anyway, they've got some great beers and > it's dead handy for the gig. > Rob Ahh crossed wires, the first pub you come to leaving Wolverhampton Station is a Prince Albert (by the Ring Route!!!). Derrick... --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. |-<.><.>-| % ==== --------------------------------------------- From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Oct 16 14:44:00 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:44:00 BST Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? In-Reply-To: Rob S's message of Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:29:44 BST Message-ID: > I wouldn't leave too early. In '91 HW played two sets at > the all-nighter, one at about 10pm and another at about 3-4am. Worth knowing -- but in '92 I got the running order from the box office earlier in the day, and HW were only down to do a single set. We didn't leave straight after HW anyway: we wanted to catch the Aphex Twin and Test Dept., although both turned out to be rather boring. I've just phoned the box office, and they said that they won't know the exact running order until Friday or Saturday. Not surprising, really. > I'm really looking forward to seeing Radical Dance Faction again. Yes, I hear they've got their woman singer back. I also want to find out what Porcupine Tree are like, and I expect Utah Saints will be quite danceable. I don't think I know any of the other bands. What time are folks planning to be there? I'm planning to be in London by 5.30 or thereabouts to dump my sleeping bag and stuff with the friend who's putting me up for the night. So I could be in Brixton soon after 6. Shall we meet inside, or is it worth going to the Prince Albert first? Dave. From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 16 11:42:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:42:00 PDT Subject: I want to see you in black Message-ID: >My $0.02 on WOTT. I saw BOC play at Griffiti's near Baltimore >last Feb. They made an announcement on a new upcoming album. >They said they had a new song, "I want to see you in black". >They played it and it sounded good. I understood them to say this >new song would be on their new album. Instead, WOTT is >another greatest hits compliation. :( As fine as WOTT is, I >would still like to see a new release of *new* material. :) >How does one get these bootleg CDs mentioned? >Ken Have no fear Ken, when I last saw BOC Oct. 94 they mentioned a new album and played "See you in Black." I have been searching for this "new cd" ever since. Guess what, it don't exist. They have some new songs but no deal with a record company to record the new music. AB Five in the player lately The Regulators - The Regulators Hellaraiser III Soundtrack - (Lemmy and Ozzy and Triumph to boot) White Lion - Mane Attraction WOTT - by you know who HAwekwind - Live Chronicles ( Get your Needle gun out) From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 16 11:51:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:51:00 PDT Subject: I want to see you in black Message-ID: >anywho, one must wonder why BOC hasn't released a new album...doesn't BOC >have the funding to record and produce their own CD on their own record >label? if a local band like "Defender" (they suck!) can make their own CD, >why can't BOC? >ROBO Well recording a new cd is a piece of cake. You can do such a thing for a reasonable price. The real expenses come from getting it marketed, distributed and sold in enough places where you can realize a decent return on your investment. You can probably spend a fortune alone trying to convice station managers to play a song or two off of it. Lets face it if its not on the radio or MTV you won't get much more than local or diehard sales. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 16 12:17:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 09:17:00 PDT Subject: I want to see you in black Message-ID: - perhaps stupid to announce an album before the contracts are signed, but I don't think it was deliberate intentional deception. At least now Bloom seems to recognize this as he announces the new album to be out "in the future". Well stupid is probably a bit strong here John. Actually it makes sense for them to do that since the two biggest complaints most fans have with the band is 1) lack of new material we can own and 2) no current way to get our hands on the rare stuff. The crowds will conitue to dwindle unless the band release some new material. IMO I think there might be some fear amongst the band memebers in doing this as well as the notorius catch 22. The Fear - Though they have played some of the newer material from time to time during there club circuits and the fans have enjoyed them, there are precious few of these numbers. One would have to assume that the to make an 8 -12 song cd they may need a couple of more or some decent covers that fit. Now if you convince someone to record, distrtibute and market these items for you you also have to watch the expenses associated with this. Recently found a book in the public library about the recording industry and making an album, distributing and marketing are some of the expenses taken by the record company beforethe band receives any royalties. Much like a boxer where a promoter gets to deduct certain expenses from the fighters purse. BOC probably could not afford to take a huge hit in this area. Also I'll toss you another example of a band who waited a couple of years between recordings, played the music in clubs and later released an album. Y&T had written over 100 songs between the last two studio albums Contagious and Ten. The 100 songs for Ten were played at a series of night clubs over a year and the band narrowed down the final release based on audience reaction. Once released the album was bombed by critics and didn't do very well commercially (BTW I like the album a lot, not as good as the early stuff but not as bad as the critics make it out to be.) Bottom Line Y&T called it quits shortly thereafter. BOC at least to our general knowledge do not have as many songs waiting to be put on a cd. If such a thing were to bomb they take a financial hit and are probably completly removed from the music scene. The Catch 22 - Recording an album takes a lot of effort by a lot of people to do it right. Who is going to produce this album, who is going to engineer it; and how does the band which is currently making its living criss crossing the country take enough time from the schedule to sit in a recording studio to make the album? If you are Sony and you are willing to give the band that chance then you leverage your position by taking greater control over the product being released. Perhaps you insist the band is produced by the guy who created Pearl Jam and Stone Temple Pilots unique sound (IMO probably the reason people believe STP sound so much like a second rate Pearl Jam, it is not the groups it is the production itself, See also King's X Dogman cd). The point being BOC can stop making money and live in the studio for a few months and make this new cd or they can continue with what they are doing now. The safer road is to continue along this path as they are at least earning a living. The trip across the great lakes is just part of this deal, go to Europe for a few months before coming back stateside and playing the same circuit again. This can probably keep them above water financialy for another two years. Bottom line I think are only chance of hearing anything new on cd from BOC is if it appears on the Mysterious # pak that Sony claims will be released on Oct 24. I don't see any major studio putting the money into a completely new BOC release. A($.02)B From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 16 12:24:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 09:24:00 PDT Subject: boc at Jaxx Message-ID: Any readers planning on seeing BOC at Jaxx next friday? Ken Got my tickets a few weeks ago from Miles KB whos band Agents of Fortune is opening for Eyes and the boys that night. Will probably be wearing all black. AB From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Oct 16 15:41:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:41:00 BST-1 Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9510161219.AA02712 at etlxd20c> > Is the Prince Albert the first pub you come to after turning > right out of Brixton tube station? Everyone seemed to be meeting > there before the megadog all-nighter, so it should be all-right. > I'll probably be there anyway, they've got some great beers and > it's dead handy for the gig. > > cheers - Rob No it's round the corner the other way - come to think of it, last time I met with some mates for a gig at the Academy, we met in another bar (the Station)... Whatever, this one of yours seems like a good idea! First right out of the tube, yeah? Must be next door to the hot potato place? Let's agree on this one - six o'clock or thereabouts, OK? I'll be in my biker jacket (the one with the Egyptian shoulder insignia). Should I look out for Nethawks shirts or what? (PS to Maxine - I've still got your ticket so I hope you're still up for it!) - Andy From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Oct 16 15:51:09 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:51:09 BST Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? Message-ID: > > No it's round the corner the other way - come to think of it, last time I > met with some mates for a gig at the Academy, we met in another bar (the > Station)... > > Whatever, this one of yours seems like a good idea! First right out of > the tube, yeah? Must be next door to the hot potato place? > No, it's bit further on past the railway bridge. > Let's agree on this one - six o'clock or thereabouts, OK? I'll be in my > biker jacket (the one with the Egyptian shoulder insignia). Should I > look out for Nethawks shirts or what? > I'll wear my Nethawks (UK version) t-shirt and a green hooded top. > (PS to Maxine - I've still got your ticket so I hope you're still up for > it!) > > - Andy > bye - Rob From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Oct 16 15:20:12 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:20:12 BST Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? Message-ID: > > > I wouldn't leave too early. In '91 HW played two sets at > > the all-nighter, one at about 10pm and another at about 3-4am. > > Worth knowing -- but in '92 I got the running order from the box office > earlier in the day, and HW were only down to do a single set. We didn't > leave straight after HW anyway: we wanted to catch the Aphex Twin and Test > Dept., although both turned out to be rather boring. .....but the lasers were great during Aphex Twin, weren't they? > > I'm really looking forward to seeing Radical Dance Faction again. > > Yes, I hear they've got their woman singer back. I also want to find out > what Porcupine Tree are like, and I expect Utah Saints will be quite > danceable. I don't think I know any of the other bands. > Yep, saw RDF in April and they've got the original woman singer back, but all the musicians have changed again. > What time are folks planning to be there? I'm planning to be in London > by 5.30 or thereabouts to dump my sleeping bag and stuff with the friend > who's putting me up for the night. So I could be in Brixton soon after 6. > Shall we meet inside, or is it worth going to the Prince Albert first? > I'm a bit lost as to the name of the pub, but if you go right out of Brixton Station and pass under the railway bridge, there is a pub on the right hand side. I should be in London about 4pm, but I've got to meet up with several friends who are coming from all directions so we'll probably end up in the pub about 5.30, too. bye - Rob From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Oct 16 12:42:29 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:42:29 -0400 Subject: BOC/Various Thoughts In-Reply-To: from "Robert Kohl" at Oct 16, 95 07:37:59 am Message-ID: Robert Kohl writes: > Another problem I have with ANY band, even my beloved BOC, is doing covers of > other songs. I know, I know, "Born to be Wild" and "We Gotta Get Out of This > Place" are BOC staples at concerts. That's a real shame as far as I'm > concerned. When I see a band or buy a CD, I don't want other groups' songs > on there. If I wanted that, I'd buy the other CD in the first place. I want > originality! Well, if the cover is done properly, it WILL be original! (Check out Laibach's cover of Queen's "One Vision" on _Opus Dei_, their Beatles covers on _Let It Be_, etc. for details.) Some covers are actually identified more with the person covering than with the original artist. For example, most folks nowadays would identify "Hey Joe" as being a Jimi Hendrix original instead of a cover of a Billy Roberts(?) tune. Jimi's cover of Dylan's "All Along The Watchtower" is similarly distinctive. Actually, I'd rather hear a band do a great cover than blatantly rip off someone else's style. Plagiarism has many forms... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 16 13:35:59 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 18:35:59 +0100 Subject: Dominance&Submission '95 In-Reply-To: <951015154649_124467300@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Oct 15, 95 03:46:50 pm Message-ID: > Well get us a gig in your college, Carl, or yer pub! Very well! When I head down to one of the local clubs later this week I shall attempt to enquire about such things ... Cheers, Carl From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Mon Oct 16 13:59:55 1995 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:59:55 -0400 Subject: Of Potential Interest Message-ID: In the ltest issue of Audion, and advert for Black Widow Records says of the band Runaway Totem and their release Trimegisto "MAGMA meets Hawkwind & Zappa. Real Gothic-prog and Zeuhl music." Anyone know anything more? David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) So storm through the barricades and raise your hands up high All of you pull down your walls, help those too scared to try Don't let them tell you it's only a dream, for never to dream is to die. Don't close your eyes. - "For Your Eyes" - ARAGON From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Oct 16 15:02:38 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:02:38 -0500 Subject: HW:Harveys Red Shift not Eyebrow Razor Message-ID: Spoke to Mike Coleman/Delta Wave again this weekend, and he tells me that Harvey Bainbridge's solo release has been delayed again, and is still not out. In addition, he claims that Music Machine (who were taking advance orders for "Eyebrow Razor") got the title wrong -- the new Harvey will be called "Red Shift". Any confirmation appreciated. Any release dates ditto. Captain Cloud P.S. Mike testifies that he has already received two copies of the GRIFFIN(!) release of "Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams". That means that (contrary to earlier postings) it is now available at domestic prices in the USA. Also apparently using similar artwork on the jewel case to the digipak, except it doesn't actually fold out like the digipak does. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Oct 16 15:06:43 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:06:43 EST Subject: BOC/Various Thoughts Message-ID: Date sent: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:42:29 -0400 Send reply to: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List From: Paul Mather Subject: Re: BOC/Various Thoughts To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Robert Kohl writes: > Another problem I have with ANY band, even my beloved BOC, is doing covers of > other songs. I know, I know, "Born to be Wild" and "We Gotta Get Out of This > Place" are BOC staples at concerts. That's a real shame as far as I'm > concerned. When I see a band or buy a CD, I don't want other groups' songs > on there. If I wanted that, I'd buy the other CD in the first place. I want > originality! Well, if the cover is done properly, it WILL be original! (Check out Laibach's cover of Queen's "One Vision" on _Opus Dei_, their Beatles covers on _Let It Be_, etc. for details.) Some covers are actually identified more with the person covering than with the original artist. For example, most folks nowadays would identify "Hey Joe" as being a Jimi Hendrix original instead of a cover of a Billy Roberts(?) tune. Jimi's cover of Dylan's "All Along The Watchtower" is similarly distinctive. Actually, I'd rather hear a band do a great cover than blatantly rip off someone else's style. Plagiarism has many forms... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. Right! Better to do a cover than to just rehash your old material in the hope that people who like the old stuff will continue to like it re-packaged. A cover is better than a formula tune. Still, with all the creativity in a band like BOC it seems crazy to do covers. A lot of the traffic here suggests that a reason for no new BOC material is a lack of good songs. Yet we know that there are plenty of good BOC songs from the past that never made it to vinyl or disc, c.f. 'Wings of Mercury,' rejected from 'Club Ninja.' It's safe to assume that there are other great songs that didn't make it to an album before, that the group only needs to polish up to have ready for release... From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 16 19:14:27 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 19:14:27 BST Subject: HW: London In-Reply-To: Rob S's message of Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:29:44 BST Message-ID: > > the trains will be running again when you come out). Last time HW played > > between 10 and 12. The rest of the event was support bands (some of which > > were very good). > > > > I wouldn't leave too early. In '91 HW played two sets at > the all-nighter, one at about 10pm and another at about 3-4am. I wouldn't count on two sets from Hawkwind and I'd reckon they might start playing earlier than you'd expect. It's a long set this time - impressively long - and they surprised us at Glasgow by starting it much earlier than usual. Basically the band was on stage and playing by 9.00pm. Still, if the prior support band is going to be Porcupine Tree then I guess you'll all be in there in good time 8-). Definitely wiser to drink the better beers outside before going into the show. If the venue is in a good mood then you'll be allowed to get out and back again - if they are not then you'll be stuck with the Brixton Academy Brew for the rest of the evening. This tends to be somewhat basic. Might be worth enquiring about this in advance. Oh - and watch out for the fire eaters if you're in the front row. Glasgow was the first place I've ever been where I could feel the heat of the flames searing over my head - and that was about 10 rows back! Enjoy jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 16 16:34:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:34:00 PDT Subject: BOC: Incorrect Expectations of WOTT\and 3pak mystery Message-ID: I was awake during the sermon John and I think the message on WOTT should strike home by now. There are however a couple of small related bits of information which could shed some light on this subject as well as provide some positive news for BOC fans on this list. 1. One of our subscribers from Australia I believe recently talked about how the WOTT release down under had been delayed. The reason, strong sales of WOTT in the US. I would infer from this that WOTT had a fairly limited pressing and that Sony's sales expecations of the package had been met or perhaps exceeded. Seems like John, myself and only a few others have purchased WOTT so far yet the offering is being sold to someone. 2. In case some of you do not know by now Tyranny & Mutation (CDNow) or 3Pak (On Sony On-line) has been exposed. Tyranny and Mutation is the proper name for this new set because it is a three pack of BOC, T&M and Secret Treaties bundled together. No word on if it has been digitally remastered but more shocking is that the expected release date of 3 pak has been moved up a week to October 17th. I can get anyone of these cd's at Best Buy for $7.88 each, Sony's bundled price will probably be a three for two retail number. Now many will not consider this good news but I think it is a positive for the band. Sony obviously feels there is a market for, at a minimum, the original BOC material. Die hards may not want re-issues and the like but for Sony to move up the date for material thats already available on the shelves shows that there is some type of market for BOC works that is just now being tapped. If the ownership issues regarding SWU/SFG music can be worked out I think this increases the chance that we will eventually be able to get a hold of these works. I'm waiting for a three pak of CE, Specters and AOF, since I don't have any of them on cd as of yet. If they can save me some money then my hats off to Sony. AB From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Mon Oct 16 14:40:10 1995 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:40:10 -0700 Subject: HW: Review - Yuri Gagarin !!???!?!?! In-Reply-To: from "Paul G Ward" at Oct 16, 95 05:08:59 am Message-ID: > > > Record Review: Hawkwind 1973 'Bring me the Head of Yuri Gagarin' > --------------------------------------------------------- > It contains (live from 1973) Mine says it's live from 1976 on it, but of course, lists an earlier line up. > The track list itself includes some impressive tracks, most of which > sound like they were performed with typical Hawkwind gusto. It just > doesn't come through on the album due to the poor recording. My first > impression when I bought this album (which incidentally has not been > back on my turntable in the last 10 years until today) was that it was > recorded on a portable cassette recorder from the middle of the crowd. > The only thing which could be considered in any way clear, is a fan > screaming 'Silver Machine' when Brock asks the audience what they want > as an encore. With an okay equalizer you can actually hear it acceptably. Granted it still doesn't sound great, but the music is good. I find it worth the effort to adjust (adjust me adjust me adjust me) the settings to hear it. Mine has a picture of a couple of warriors on the cover with a grey tree, and has an abstract thing with some shapes inside, and cost me $9 at Tower. Blockbuster Music has one with my inside picture on teh outside for $16. Anyone know if there's a quality difference between the two or do they pretty much sound alike? -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative The Gnome Home Page From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 16 14:42:51 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 19:42:51 +0100 Subject: FS: Omnia Opera CD Message-ID: I'd like to sell or trade my Omnia Opera CD (trade especially for non-yookay deals). I really like the music--jamming and HWish, but to vocals are driving me insane and I really can't afford to hang onto anything I don't absolutely love now that I'm a starving student :( Er, I've no idea what second hand CDs might go for in the UK ... if 10 quid or so including postage is too much, make me another offer. This is basically brand new, I bought it Saturday .... US folks, I'll happily trade this for something from the States. It really is quite good (apart from the vocals, which may be just me) so if you've been waiting for an opportunity to give these guys a listen now's your chance .... Cheers, Carl From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Oct 16 15:18:13 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:18:13 -0400 Subject: HW: Review - Yuri Gagarin !!???!?!?! In-Reply-To: <199510161840.LAA11930@desiree.teleport.com> from "Kevin Haskel Rubin" at Oct 16, 95 11:40:10 am Message-ID: CHOMP!! > > Mine has a picture of a couple of warriors on the cover with a grey tree, > and has an abstract thing with some shapes inside, and cost me $9 at Tower. > Blockbuster Music has one with my inside picture on teh outside for $16. > Anyone know if there's a quality difference between the two or do they > pretty much sound alike? > The abstract shapes are a falling axe in front of a moon, if they are the same as LP that I own (this one almost had me [1] turn off HW completely or [2] replace my stereo, as I was positive that the beast had a major malfunction!). Y'know, "Bring me the head...." It helps to be a distance away from the cover to perceive these shapes (considering the quality of this release, far, FAR away is not far enough!). Personally, I don't think that I would take this one if someone gave it to me, unless a cash bonus came along with it! This is one that should bear a warning label "For completetist fans ONLY! All others, this is a legal bootleg with substandard sound quality! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!" > -kevin > > > -- > Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager > gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative > The Gnome Home Page > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Oct 16 20:56:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 20:56:00 BST-1 Subject: BOC/Various Thoughts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <12285074BFC at hawk.syr.edu> Theo says > It's safe to > assume that there are other great songs that didn't make it to an > album before, that the group only needs to polish up to have ready > for release... Yep, gimme those songs that weren't good enough for _Club Ninja_! :) Actually, some of those "great songs that didn't make it to an album before" *are* turning up, eg "Hansel and Gretel" on _Trepanation_. (BTW, is it possible to set your mailer so it doesn't repeat the whole of the message you're replying to? Thanks!) - Andy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 16 16:04:13 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:04:13 -0400 Subject: BOC: Sony 3-pack? Message-ID: Adrian says: >In case some of you do not know by now Tyranny & Mutation (CDNow) or 3Pak (On Sony On-line) has been exposed. Tyranny and Mutation is the proper name for this new set because it is a three pack of BOC, T&M and Secret Treaties bundled together. No word on if it has been digitally remastered Hmm . . . well, if it ain't remastered, I don't know why there would be a re-release of 3 albums in the catalog that are readily obtainable. Maybe this is the start of re-mastering the whole catalog on CD? Perhaps Sony believes that there's a BOC market out there. If so, then perhaps SWU/SFG stuff might not be just fantasy. But, I will wait with some cautious optimism on this one. >I'm waiting for a three pak of CE, Specters and AOF, since I don't have any of them on cd as of yet. Don't seem logical that those 3 would be bundled together - especially since Mirrors was released in-between Spectres and CE (live albums not counting). John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Oct 16 17:45:22 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:45:22 EST Subject: BOC/Various Thoughts Message-ID: UAA03863 for BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 20:56:54 +0100 From: Andrew Gilham Subject: Re: BOC/Various Thoughts To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L X-PMFLAGS: 34603136 In-Reply-To: <12285074BFC at hawk.syr.edu> Yep, gimme those songs that weren't good enough for _Club Ninja_! :) Actually, some of those "great songs that didn't make it to an album before" *are* turning up, eg "Hansel and Gretel" on _Trepanation_. (BTW, is it possible to set your mailer so it doesn't repeat the whole of the message you're replying to? Thanks!) - Andy Andy, You have a hatred for 'Club Ninja' that passeth all understanding. Actually, I thought 'Mercury' was better than anything else on that record. Do you haTE THAT RECORD SO MUCH BECAUSE IT WAS A BASTARDIZED EFFORT FROM A FRAGMENTED boc, or because the material was kin of wimped out? It IS probably their worst album, but I really liked 'White Flags' and 'Perfect Water.' I could have done without the efforts of my high school alumnus Rob Haligan, but then he's infected Judas Priest as well as BOC. Sorry about my heavy-handed inclusions of material. I'm new at this new-fangled email stuff, dont ya know. So, I'm pleading ignorance. I'll try to clean up my presentations. Any help you could offer will be appreciated. Theo From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Mon Oct 16 19:48:54 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 18:48:54 -0500 Subject: [HW] update on cover project Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Oct 1995, Johan Edlundh wrote: > there's been silence for awhile around the HW Cover Project. > what's the current status? Dave and I just chatted about some tapes that had been in transit, and I think we're now up to date with respect to each of us having all the material (right Dave?). That given, we should be able to begin duplication very soon. The full set will be 2 100s and 1 90 in length. So, now comes the sending us $ or BPS part: we'll buy tapes to cover the costs of sets, and whoever wants sets sends us the money to cover the tapes + postage (except for those who contributed material, who will have their costs reduced by the # of tapes they sent) The following people, NOT INCLUDING CONTRIBUTORS, have asked for sets: ---- > >Just how many list members want a set? From: William Stone From: Carl Anderson From: Gary Wingert From: cjohnson From: Vanderpump & Welbelove From: Paul Ward From: Frank Weil From: HERBERT119 at delphi.com (Chuck) From: donnell at epx.cis.umn.edu (brian) From: JEFFRIEDLE at aol.com (Jeff) From: Hawkwind00 at aol.com (ray) From: Jerry Guizar From: Doug From: Paul Mather From: Martyn White From: MCINTYRE at pa.msu.edu (John McIntyre) From: Stephen Lindsey From: Richard Crump From: Keith A Henderson From: Chris Baxley From: RJPXR5 at aol.com From: P Mitchell > Have you rec'd any requests that have not appeared on the list as a whole? I have had requests from Alun Hughes, David Jones, Rob Stuckey, and Paul Ward, plus confirmation from Mike Holmes, Mike Wright, Jill, Hendrik and Joe. Joe also asked if I could do a set for Soren of darXtar; I've asked him to pay for those. ---- I would tend to assume we'd make a set for the band as well (or would that be a set for each member?). If anyone else would like a set, please contact either Dave (daveb at harlequin.co.uk) or I (iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu). Also, Frank Weil and Allen Ruch (and somenone else) had volunteered to make tape inserts, so if they could contact Dave or I, as well as anyone else willing to do this, that would be great! Ideally, we'd have the inserts in time to mail out the sets... Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gary at Z-CODE.COM Mon Oct 16 20:02:43 1995 From: gary at Z-CODE.COM (Gary Wingert) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 17:02:43 -0700 Subject: [HW] update on cover project In-Reply-To: Allan T Grohe Jr "[HW] update on cover project" (Oct 16, 18:48) Message-ID: On 16.Oct, isclado wrote re: "[HW] update on cover project" iscladoc> > >Just how many list members want a set? iscladoc> iscladoc> From: Gary Wingert Confirmed! Did I miss the total price and U.S. address to send the money to? iscladoc> Also, Frank Weil and Allen Ruch (and somenone else) had iscladoc> volunteered to make tape inserts, so if they could I think that might've been me, using Labels Unlimited - I did the jewel box liners for Hawkwind Live '79 and they came out perfect.. What are you looking for in the way of the J-shell inserts? Thanks, Allan! Gary From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue Oct 17 09:58:00 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 09:58:00 BST Subject: HW: Choose Your Masques Message-ID: Thanks to Hawkjoe, I've finally got a copy of Choose Your Masques, in the credits it mentions a Pascoe Brock does anyone know who he/she/it is? cheers - Rob From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Tue Oct 17 05:31:11 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:31:11 +0100 Subject: Meeting at Pub miscellany? Message-ID: I got a message from Mr Gilham saying that ther was a certain amount of confusion concerning the pub in Brixton to meet up in - the latest offering seems to be turn right out of the tube in Brixton under a railway bridge and the pub, on the right, just near to the hot potato shop is the place to be about 6'oclock - (the actual name of the pub iin this instant is unknown) a. Can anyone/everyone confirm this arrangement b. Anyone shed a light on the name of the pub? I hate confusion! (and don't cherish the prospect of skipping around lost near railway embankments in Brixton at dusk wearing virtually nothing - (: - I jest) Maxine "The night shall be filled with music And the cares that infest the day e-mail: mxw at dmu.ac.uk Shall fold their tents like Arabs http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~mxw And as silently steal away" From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue Oct 17 10:48:45 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:48:45 BST Subject: HW: London Message-ID: > I wouldn't count on two sets from Hawkwind and I'd reckon they might > start playing earlier than you'd expect. It's a long set this time - > impressively long - and they surprised us at Glasgow by starting it much > earlier than usual. Basically the band was on stage and playing by > 9.00pm.Still, if the prior support band is going to be Porcupine > Tree then I guess you'll all be in there in good time 8-). > Marvellous, I can't wait! > Definitely wiser to drink the better beers outside before going into > the show. If the venue is in a good mood then you'll be allowed to > get out and back again - if they are not then you'll be stuck with the > Brixton Academy Brew for the rest of the evening. This tends to be > somewhat basic. Might be worth enquiring about this in advance. > We usually have a few drinks before we go in, but it's funny how we usually start drinking water after an hour or so of being in the all-nighter. ;) bye - Rob From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue Oct 17 11:13:01 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:13:01 BST Subject: Meeting at Pub miscellany? Message-ID: > > I got a message from Mr Gilham saying that ther was a certain amount of > confusion concerning the pub in Brixton to meet up in - the latest > offering seems to be turn right out of the tube in Brixton under a > railway bridge and the pub, on the right, just near to the hot potato > shop is the place to be about 6'oclock - (the actual name of the pub iin > this instant is unknown) > > a. Can anyone/everyone confirm this arrangement > Yes, once again you walk right out of the tube station, past the hot potato shop, under the railway bridge and the pub is about twenty yards along on the right hand side of the road. (The venue is in the next road to the left) > b. Anyone shed a light on the name of the pub? > After a few enquiries to people I was with at the megadog thing, I still haven't got a name, but my friend said it was a Weatherspoons Brewery pub. > I hate confusion! (and don't cherish the prospect of skipping around > lost near railway embankments in Brixton at dusk wearing virtually > nothing - (: - I jest) > I'm always confused at Hawkwind gigs!!! > > Maxine > - Rob From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Oct 17 11:35:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:35:00 BST-1 Subject: BOC/Various Thoughts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1252A093B9C at hawk.syr.edu> Theo says > You have a hatred for 'Club Ninja' that passeth all understanding. :) Actually, I'm quite fond of _CN_, it's just that (a) it seemed like they were scraping around for material when they recorded it, and (b) I find it tends towards the bland, more than anything. I could live without the stuff they left off it, it what I'm trying to say. Like it or ignore it, you really can't hate _Club Ninja_ - but it's too *nice* and *polite* to be one of my favourites. Now, out-takes from _Tyranny & Mutation_ I could go for! - Andy From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Tue Oct 17 08:55:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 07:55:00 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind Live Message-ID: All I can say is you lucky BASTARDS!!! Getting to see HW... The set sounds good. I am curious about these new songs. How many does ROn sing or where they all ambient pieces? The ones you didn't know the titles of? Scott From reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM Tue Oct 17 08:27:52 1995 From: reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 08:27:52 EDT Subject: BOC CN Bashing Message-ID: Don't know why CN takes such a beating. I put it in my top 5. Yea, it's obvious they were pressing a bit for material with songs like beat em up, when the war comes. But, IMO, others (perfect water,spy) have to rank up there as some of the best BOC ever. RR From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Tue Oct 17 08:16:28 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 08:16:28 EDT Subject: BOC/Covers debate Message-ID: Paul says: >>>stuff snipped<<< Actually, I'd rather hear a band do a great cover than blatantly rip off someone else's style. Plagairism has many forms..... >>>stuff snipped<<< Perhaps I misunderstood, Paul, but I'd like to think that you were NOT referring to BOC. I think they have their own style. Regarding opinions of covers, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I personally think that for a band to do a cover of another song is a cop out. One of the things that made BOC one of my favorite bands is their originality. Someone tried to tell me once that "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." I don't buy it. My point is that BOC is better than that. I wouldn't be on this list if they weren't. On a different topic, dittos to Theo's comment about releasing good songs that already exist but never made it to disk. Bring them on! Enough with the re-releases already! Lastly, just for balance, I think Club Ninja is a decent piece of work. Any release that hampers my driving can't be all bad. "Dancin' in the Ruins," for example, makes the dashboard become a drum set and makes the steering wheel become a guitar. Funny how these transformations happen... :-) -Dr. Bob rkohl at state.de.us From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Oct 17 08:44:23 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:44:23 +0100 Subject: Meeting at Pub miscellany? In-Reply-To: <9510171013.AA02971@etlxd20c> from "Rob S" at Oct 17, 95 11:13:01 am Message-ID: With or without initiative, I have acquired the necessary railcards, train tickets, and gig tickets to put in an appearance. I reckon I'll be there all night, having no better plans. I'll try to make it to this mysterious pub before 6pm--will be wearing my boc-l shirt (transatlantic version) under my omnipresent black vest (if that's still the right word in yookay-speak!) and can otherwise be identified as a early-20s bloke with long brown hair and glasses. Brixton, beware! ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Oct 17 08:57:20 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:57:20 +0100 Subject: BOC/Covers debate In-Reply-To: from "Robert Kohl" at Oct 17, 95 08:16:28 am Message-ID: > Someone tried to > tell me once that "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." I don't buy > it. My point is that BOC is better than that. I wouldn't be on this list if > they weren't. Oh, well, imitation _is_ the sincerest form of flattery, but if you are brilliantly original, then you don't need to flatter (unless you want to). Even if I was a brilliantly original and famous musician, I might well occasionally do a "piece in the style of" simply because it was fun, though. But it would be much too dangerous to haul up the old thread: "Are BOC imitating themselves, thesedays?" .... ;) Cheers, Carl From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Oct 17 11:27:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 08:27:00 PDT Subject: BOC: Sony 3-pack? Message-ID: >Hmm . . . well, if it ain't remastered, I don't know why there would be >a re-release of 3 albums in the catalog that are readily obtainable. >Maybe this is the start of re-mastering the whole catalog on CD? It would be a bargain if you don't have any of these on cd and you get three for the price of two. With such a quick release after WOTT chances are they are not re-mastered. >Perhaps Sony believes that there's a BOC market out there. If so, then >perhaps SWU/SFG stuff might not be just fantasy. But, I will wait with >some cautious optimism on this one. Lets hope so. This music is what most of desire in the absence of completely new material. >I'm waiting for a three pak of CE, Specters and AOF, since I don't have any of them on cd as of yet. >Don't seem logical that those 3 would be bundled together - especially >since Mirrors was released in-between Spectres and CE (live albums not >counting). Chronologically this is true however I doubt that Mirros sold as well as these three. This three pak would definitely excite me remastered or not. >John AB Five in the player lately Molly Hatchet - Double Trouble Live Gary Hoey- Animal Instincts Black Sabbath - Sabotage Rainbow - Live Triumph - Rock & Roll Machine From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Oct 17 11:51:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 08:51:00 PDT Subject: BOC/Covers debate Message-ID: > Someone tried to > tell me once that "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." I don't buy > it. My point is that BOC is better than that. I wouldn't be on this list if > they weren't. > Oh, well, imitation _is_ the sincerest form of flattery, but if >you are brilliantly original, then you don't need to flatter (unless you >want to). Even if I was a brilliantly original and famous musician, I >might well occasionally do a "piece in the style of" simply because it >was fun, though. > But it would be much too dangerous to haul up the old thread: >"Are BOC imitating themselves, thesedays?" .... ;) >Carl I would think that bands do covers for the fun of it. Most of the pro's will tell you that they grew up enjoying some artist's music, whats wrong with occassionaly playing something by someone you enjoyed and putting your own spin on it. Besides didn't the Oyster Boys in their college days do a lot of covers by Mowtown type bands. I would get a kick out of seeing Eric, Alan and Buck shuffling to the Temptations Papa Was A Rolling Stone. Hope Buck's got some rythm in dem shoes. A(don't take me seriously)B From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Tue Oct 17 15:08:52 1995 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 15:08:52 BST Subject: Hawkwind Live Message-ID: On tue Oct 17 Scott Heller wrote : ----- Begin Included Message ---- All I can say is you lucky BASTARDS!!! Getting to see HW... The set sounds good. I am curious about these new songs. How many does ROn sing or where they all ambient pieces? The ones you didn't know the titles of? ----- End Included Message ----- Ron sang lead vocals on Death Trap, Are You Losing Your Mind, Blue Skin, Robot, Lord Of Light, Silver Machine and Hassan I Sabbah. He also provided the voices of the Alien and Sputnik Stan! Blue Skin is classic Hawkwind with Ron adding a very Calvertesque feel to the song. Space Sex starts of as a nice ambient number, slowly building up into a song, getting heavier and heavier before rupturing orgasmically into ambient mode again. All in all, from what I have heard on the tour, the new album has some absolute gems on it. Stones and Krankschafts, Keith From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Oct 17 10:35:16 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:35:16 -0400 Subject: Meeting at Pub miscellany? Message-ID: Way to go Carl. Drinking Witherspoons and then going to see Hawkwind. My envy knows no bounds Cheers Martyn From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Oct 17 15:50:08 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 15:50:08 BST Subject: Anubian Lights In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Tue, 10 Oct 95 17:51:37 EST Message-ID: Now that I've listened to this a few more times, I really like it. Dave. From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Tue Oct 17 11:08:21 1995 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:08:21 -0500 Subject: [HW] update on cover project In-Reply-To: Gary Wingert "Re: [HW] update on cover project" (Oct 16, 5:02pm) Message-ID: Gary Wingert wrote: > On 16.Oct, isclado wrote re: "[HW] update on cover project" > > iscladoc> > >Just how many list members want a set? > iscladoc> > iscladoc> From: Gary Wingert > > Confirmed! Did I miss the total price and U.S. address > to send the money to? > > iscladoc> Also, Frank Weil and Allen Ruch (and somenone else) had > iscladoc> volunteered to make tape inserts, so if they could > > I think that might've been me, using Labels Unlimited - I > did the jewel box liners for Hawkwind Live '79 and they > came out perfect.. > > What are you looking for in the way of the J-shell inserts? I did volunteer and I would be happy to make up inserts, but I'm not sure the tools I have can do as nice a job as a program made for doing them. The only real option I have is to measure up a standard J-shell insert, enter the template into Framemaker, and add the text and graphics through their (somewhat limited) graphics interface. Although if I am careful enough, I could even work in a double-sided insert. I am still quite willing to do this if it makes sense, but maybe I could be more productive by doing something like making all the copies of the inserts (I assume that standard paper would be OK) and sending them to Allan or whoever. Someone just let me know what I should do. Thanks, Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (708) 576-3110 | fax: (708) 576-3240 >>From a hair blow-dryer instruction sheet: "Warning: Do Not Use While Sleeping" From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 17 12:12:13 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:12:13 EST Subject: BOC/Covers debate Message-ID: > Lastly, just for balance, I think Club Ninja is a decent piece of work. Any > release that hampers my driving can't be all bad. "Dancin' in the Ruins," > for example, makes the dashboard become a drum set and makes the steering > wheel become a guitar. Funny how these transformations happen... :-) > > -Dr. Bob > rkohl at state.de.us Experiments that failed, and transformations too hard to find...' From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 17 12:15:27 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:15:27 EST Subject: BOC CN Bashing Message-ID: > > Don't know why CN takes such a beating. > > I put it in my top 5. Yea, it's obvious they were > pressing a bit for material with songs like beat em up, > when the war comes. But, IMO, others (perfect water,spy) have > to rank up there as some of the best BOC ever. > > RR I think CN gets pounded, IMO, because it represents a stage where the band was fragmented. Only 3 original members appear on the album, and a lot of material was written by 'outsiders.' I too like many of the songs, esp. 'perfect water.' It's kind of a 'light' record. Maybe that alienated folks who lean more toward 'cities on flame' type material... theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 17 12:22:00 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:22:00 EST Subject: BOC/Covers debate Message-ID: > > Oh, well, imitation _is_ the sincerest form of flattery, but if > you are brilliantly original, then you don't need to flatter (unless you > want to). Even if I was a brilliantly original and famous musician, I > might well occasionally do a "piece in the style of" simply because it > was fun, though. > > But it would be much too dangerous to haul up the old thread: > "Are BOC imitating themselves, thesedays?" .... ;) > > Cheers, > Carl Carl, I wonder how much pressure we, as fans, put upon bands to repeat themselves. Look how we whine when groups don't do a favorite song of ours when we see them live. Sometimes bands repeat themselves because we demand it of them. I was disappointed at first, when 'Agents' was released, because it was such a departure for the group. In time, I came to appreciate the record, and those which followed, even when the band strayed from its earlier path. I haven't seen BOC live in a few years, but I would wholeheartedly want to see 'new' songs in their set nowadays, rather than 'Born to be Wild' for the thirtieth time. I've seen the group so many times (though not often lately) that I would welcome such experimentation. Besides, how much new ground can a band break before they wind up back where they started. That happens whenever a band keeps trying to re-invent itself... From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Tue Oct 17 10:18:40 1995 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:18:40 -0400 Subject: HW: Canadian sghting of Area S4 Message-ID: To my utter amazement the new Ep Area S4 has already shown up in Toronto, pretty reasonable at $(Can) 12.99. Definitely the import copy on EBS. Quick comments: Yes this sounds great, great sequencing and definitely overall more agressive rockier sounding. But the thing that really sticks in my mind (as someoene else mentioned) When the Hell did Dave decide to dig out his wah-wah pedal again, sounds great ! (I don't remember him using it on the live versions, on the US tour ????) Cheers, Steve L. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Oct 17 13:51:31 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:51:31 +0100 Subject: BOC/Covers debate In-Reply-To: <137C7544C2F@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Oct 17, 95 11:22:00 am Message-ID: > I wonder how much pressure we, as fans, put upon bands to repeat > themselves. Well, think of the hue and cry that went up from Metallica fans when the "black album" came out. I thought all the moaning of "sell out" was a bit silly, but it gives an example of the sort of things fans can get up to when they perceive their fave group doing things they don't like. > Sometimes bands repeat themselves > because we demand it of them. I could live without hearing "Reaper" in _every_ concert ;) though doubtless many could not, for the reasons you describe. > I haven't seen BOC > live in a few years, but I would wholeheartedly want to see 'new' > songs in their set nowadays, rather than 'Born to be Wild' for the > thirtieth time. I've seen the group so many times (though not often > lately) that I would welcome such experimentation. Besides, how much > new ground can a band break before they wind up back where they > started. That happens whenever a band keeps trying to re-invent > itself... Well, I whole-heartedly agree. I mean, I don't mind seeing the same, or nearly the same, set once or twice--even though my mind naturally gravitates towards a Grateful Dead sort of "we'll play what we like and figure it out as we go ethic". But I must confess I've skipped a BOC show at least once because I knew it'd be basically the same thing I'd seen before. Now, if they were going to play Great Sun Jester I might try to go just for that (not that I have much opportunity to pick and choose in the UK!). But if I knew they were going to play a couple of well-hewn classics, along with some gems from the closet and a major dose of new material ... well, _that_ would be worth seeing! Even the lamer of the new numbers don't suck! Cheers, Carl From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Oct 17 14:05:49 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:05:49 -0400 Subject: BOC/Covers debate Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-17 10:01:08 EDT, you write: >Besides didn't the Oyster Boys in their college days do a >lot of covers by Mowtown type bands. I would get a kick out of seeing Eric, >Alan and Buck shuffling to the Temptations Papa Was A Rolling Stone. Hope >Buck's got some rythm in dem shoes. > >A(don't take me seriously)B > > > I believe the Oyster Boys played alot of Beatles and Rolling Stones at their gigs, along with the hits of that period...they were urged by the club owners to play these along with their original material...I think Fartknocker said that they played Casey Jones or Truckin' by the Dead back in those days... I always liked their version of Born To Be Wild and It's Not Easy... 5 in the player : P SRV - Texas Flood Jimi Hendrix - The Ultimate Experience Eric Clapton - Unplugged Big Mike Griffin - Sittin' Here With Nothin' John Lee Hooker - This Is Hip ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Oct 17 14:05:57 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:05:57 -0400 Subject: BOC CN Bashing Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-17 11:22:22 EDT, you write: >I think CN gets pounded, IMO, because it represents a stage where the >band was fragmented. Only 3 original members appear on the album, >and a lot of material was written by 'outsiders.' I too like many of >the songs, esp. 'perfect water.' It's kind of a 'light' record. >Maybe that alienated folks who lean more toward 'cities on flame' >type material... >theo > > IMO it's a weak record and it is aimed at a Top 40 market...there are some good tunes on it...Perfect Water is a great tune, and Buck's guitar work on there is perfect...Beat Em Up, Make Rock Not War and When The War Comes downright suck...White Flags is a pretty decent tune, and sounds alot better live... I think why I really dislike the album is the use of the keyboards on here...they are too much in the forefront and make BOC sound more like Michael Bolton...I guess if Allen were on the album, it would've sounded alot better... ROBO From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Oct 17 14:20:06 1995 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:20:06 -0400 Subject: TULL in NYC Message-ID: Tull will perform at the Beacon Nov 14 and 15. Anyone goin? regards, Bill Stewart From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Oct 17 16:55:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:55:00 PDT Subject: BOC/Covers debate Message-ID: >Besides didn't the Oyster Boys in their college days do a >lot of covers by Mowtown type bands. I would get a kick out of seeing Eric, >Alan and Buck shuffling to the Temptations Papa Was A Rolling Stone. Hope >Buck's got some rythm in dem shoes. > >A(don't take me seriously)B >I believe the Oyster Boys played alot of Beatles and Rolling Stones at their >gigs, along with the hits of that period...they were urged by the club owners >to play these along with their original material...I think Fartknocker said >that they played Casey Jones or Truckin' by the Dead back in those days... >I always liked their version of Born To Be Wild and It's Not Easy... Hmmm. I could have sworn there was a reference to R&B covers somewhere in the FAQ or perhaps LB's Vegas stories. In any event I think the period in question may have been Al's college days and preceeded Eyes tenure as front man. >5 in the player : P >SRV - Texas Flood >Jimi Hendrix - The Ultimate Experience >Eric Clapton - Unplugged >Big Mike Griffin - Sittin' Here With Nothin' >John Lee Hooker - This Is Hip >ROBO Interesting listening there Robo, you playing along with John Lee? AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Oct 17 17:14:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:14:00 PDT Subject: BOC/Covers debate - Name some changes Message-ID: > Well, I whole-heartedly agree. I mean, I don't mind seeing >the same, or nearly the same, set once or twice--even though my mind >naturally gravitates towards a Grateful Dead sort of "we'll play what >we like and figure it out as we go ethic". But I must confess I've >skipped a BOC show at least once because I knew it'd be basically the >same thing I'd seen before. Now, if they were going to play Great >Sun Jester I might try to go just for that (not that I have much >opportunity to pick and choose in the UK!). > But if I knew they were going to play a couple of well-hewn >classics, along with some gems from the closet and a major dose of >new material ... well, _that_ would be worth seeing! Even the lamer of >the new numbers don't suck! >Cheers, >Carl Though I am planning on seeing them this friday and could probably name 90% of the setlist its an experience. I would agree with you Carl that essentially the same set list does put a damper on enthusiasm, a bit difficult to attend a concert you can envision without the aid of a radio. In the bands defense and this probably works for all the bands that are similar to BOC status at this stage of their careers is that without a new record to sell whats the point of playing five or six new songs that you can only hear if you see them live. It doesn't do a thing for new or casual fans; even if they like the songs they can't get their hands on them unless they get a boot. No record no real promotion. The other thing is that bands will usually stick to a couple of numbers where they have the greatest name recognition (ie. Reaper and Godzilla), not everyone attending the show may know your music. In addition the setlist while not changing dramatically has undergone some modest changes such as the acoustic version of In Thee. The changes they have made are more than likely due to audience reaction at various points in the tour. I do believe that they could do a better job with the setlist by 1) including a brief medely of five or six of the classic numbers from the first three or perhaps Specters, AOF and CE 2) they could also experiment with different (i.e., accoustic) versions of some of the classics; Buck doing a solo version of Reaper, Alan and Eric with keys only doing Joan Crawford, an extended instrumental version of Astronomy or Magna from Imaginos 3) how about some covers other than BTBW or somethings blues based. Maybe some hard edge Sabbath (Meglomainia, yeah) or Deep Purple (Smoke on the Water). One of my main desires is to see them provide Alan a lot more freedom on keys; I have always felt that his contributions have been featured the least over the years. I'm sure the ever changing roster has a way of postponing if not canceling set changes but I am waiting to see what about the current set I would change or leave the same after friday. A(I would love to be the bands set director)B From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Oct 17 18:38:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 15:38:00 PDT Subject: BOC Club Ninja a Review Message-ID: Slow day. Since CN has pretty much dominated the day here's a review written as impartially as possible from Joe the eveyday Critic: Blue Oyster Cult - Club Ninja Strange. A strange album from an equally strange band. Blue Oyster Cult has for most of its career been a cult band, its fans are loyal beyond belief to music that mainstream rock and rollers have never fully embraced. Their early career was dedicated to songs entitled Workshop of the Telescopes, Cagey Cretins and Wings Wetted Down. Later they became a bit more mainstream, albeit not much, with Don't Fear the Reaper and Godzilla, each of which remain two of only three songs listeners can actually hear on radio stations. Probably the highlight for this band was a theme peice called Imaginos which this particular writer considers one of the greatest rock albums ever made, put it up there with Led Zepplin IV, Floyds Dark Side of the Moon and Alan Parsons Tales Of Mystery and Imagination. The latest effort Club Ninja bears no real resemblence to anything BOC has done before. Not to heavy and not to light and most dfinitely not very Oysterish. Still for the shear number of tracks there may be more radio ready songs on this effort than any other BOC release. Perfect Water is a prime example. Donald (Buck Dharma) Roeser has long been considered one of the greatest rock guitarist for many years. His solo effort Flat Out while not a comercial success was a good blend of rock and pop, escpecially when Buck decided to do some singing. Perfect Water is cut from the same vein as Flat Out and is easily the best song on the album. Over the years I was never particular fond of Buck's vocals as they always seemed better suited for pop music as opposed to hard rock / heavy metal. Perfect Water is tailored made to Buck's strength; even vocals spread over melodic guitar riffs. I played this song several times to get a good feel for it and suprisingly came away with the impression that should there be a BOC greatest hits package there is no way one could leave this particular song off the album. As for the rest of Club Ninja, well after three playings I came to the conclusion that it just dosen't stand up to previous BOC standards. I drafted a scathing review blasting the band for a lack of creativity, energy, enthusiasm, you name it I was accusing. Suddenly I decided to give it one more spin surely there must be something on this album other than Perfect Water worth listening to and writing about. I cleared my mind and listened to CN again this time throwing all I knew of BOC out the window. This was a debut album, the first effort, is this a good band or a bad band. The fourth listen brought me to the conclusion that this is a bad album only if compared to previous BOC works. If it were the first then CN wasn't bad at all. Oh sure Make Rock Not War, Beat Em' Up and Shadow Warrior sound like the same song played a dozen different ways by a dozen different bands, but there was something dramatically un-BOC like about this album. White Flags was catchy, Dancin in The Ruins rythmic, Spy in The House of the Night, hey use it in a Double o 7 soundtrack. This stuff was pretty good! Yeah. I was starting to like Club Ninja. I looked at the cover again to ensure it was really Blue Oyster Cult and not just a Buck Dharma solo Project. Yeah it was them alright. CN represents a radical change for the Oyster boys. There is more keyboarding and less reliance on Bucks fancy fingers even though his trademark licks can be found smattered through various songs. Eric Bloom is somewhat understated but it works on a few numbers as the music takes the front seat. Though I do not care very much for Make Rock Not War, Eric's vocals makes the song at least tolerable to the extent that a slight remix may make this one a candidate for top 40 airplay. The only grevious error on the album is the inane Beat Em' Up. Dumb message for an even dumber sounding song. What should come over as a rah-rah everyone on your feet and clapping song turns out to be a third rate version of Let Go from Revolution By Night (Hey guys never end a show with this one.) Bottom line while not perfect CN may suprise a few folk who have never given BOC a proper listen. This album may go over well with those who like their rock with a little pop mixed in. A little more energy a better mixing couldn't hurt but then who has time to make Perfect Music anymore. A word of warning to new BOC listeners however, NEVER PLAY THIS ALBUM IN FRONT OF A RABID BOC FAN, IT COULD BE EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH. Joe's Overall rating - 5.5 out of ten. Much as I tried I couldn't quite separate the band from the music which impacts the ratings. CN is at best a half hearted effort from one of the worlds best bands, sounds a bit too much like an album for the sake of fufilling a contractual obligation. Still I would like it more if BOC's name were not on it, maybe REO Speedwagon. Hardcore BOC fans boy are they gonna grumble about this one. **************************************************************************** *************************************** Just my strange way of sayin Club Ninja isn't all that bad if it were to stand alone. Problem is it can't stand up to the leagacy BOC has already established. AB From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Oct 17 22:46:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:46:00 BST-1 Subject: BOC/Covers debate - Name some changes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <30842D28 at houmg001.shl.com> Adrian says: > [...] whats the point of playing five or six new songs that > you can > only hear if you see them live. Well, you could argue that that's a very *good* reason for playing some new material! It doesn't do a thing for new or casual > fans; even if they like the songs they can't get their hands on them > unless > they get a boot. Some of the best gigs I've ever been to have been to bands I've never even heard before, and where (I've found out later) the material is not on any of the albums (I'm thinking of Giant Sand and Mano Negra - two excellent bands, BTW). I dunno, I think of a gig as an event to be enjoyed for its own merits - not an ad for an album, not a taping opportunity, but a performance to be enjoyed. And if I've enjoyed it, it *doesn't matter* if I can't "take it home with me" - that's what memory is for. [set list ideas] > 1) including a brief medely of five or six of the classic numbers from > the > first three or perhaps Specters, AOF and CE Yuk (speaking personally) - I *hate* medleys! (IMO, Hawkwind veer uncomfortably close to the edge in that respect sometimes...) 2) they could also > experiment > with different (i.e., accoustic) versions of some of the classics; Buck > doing a solo version of Reaper, Alan and Eric with keys only doing Joan > Crawford, an extended instrumental version of Astronomy or Magna from > Imaginos Well, doing stuff "unplugged" isn't exactly cutting edge, but could work... hopefully, I'll be able to form an opinion on Dec 13th... as for _Imaginos_ material, the words that spring to mind are "dream" and "on" :( 3) how about some covers other than BTBW or somethings blues > based. > Maybe some hard edge Sabbath (Meglomainia, yeah) or Deep Purple (Smoke > on > the Water). Ooh yeah! But "War Pigs", please! :) - Andy ObCD: George Thorogood - _Let's Work Together_ From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 17 18:52:14 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:52:14 EST Subject: BOC Club Ninja a Review Message-ID: > Strange. A strange album from an equally strange band. Blue Oyster Cult > has for most of its career been a cult band, its fans are loyal beyond > belief to music that mainstream rock and rollers have never fully embraced. > Their early career was dedicated to songs entitled Workshop of the > Telescopes, Cagey Cretins and Wings Wetted Down. Later they became a bit > more mainstream, albeit not much, with Don't Fear the Reaper and Godzilla, > each of which remain two of only three songs listeners can actually hear on > radio stations. Probably the highlight for this band was a theme peice > called Imaginos which this particular writer considers one of the greatest > rock albums ever made, put it up there with Led Zepplin IV, Floyds Dark Side > of the Moon and Alan Parsons Tales Of Mystery and Imagination. > > The latest effort Club Ninja bears no real resemblence to anything BOC has > done before. Not to heavy and not to light and most dfinitely not very > Oysterish. Still for the shear number of tracks there may be more radio > ready songs on this effort than any other BOC release. Perfect Water is a > prime example. Donald (Buck Dharma) Roeser has long been considered one of > the greatest rock guitarist for many years. His solo effort Flat Out while > not a comercial success was a good blend of rock and pop, escpecially when > Buck decided to do some singing. Perfect Water is cut from the same vein as > Flat Out and is easily the best song on the album. Over the years I was > never particular fond of Buck's vocals as they always seemed better suited > for pop music as opposed to hard rock / heavy metal. Perfect Water is > tailored made to Buck's strength; even vocals spread over melodic guitar > riffs. I played this song several times to get a good feel for it and > suprisingly came away with the impression that should there be a BOC > greatest hits package there is no way one could leave this particular song > off the album. > > As for the rest of Club Ninja, well after three playings I came to the > conclusion that it just dosen't stand up to previous BOC standards. I > drafted a scathing review blasting the band for a lack of creativity, > energy, enthusiasm, you name it I was accusing. Suddenly I decided to give > it one more spin surely there must be something on this album other than > Perfect Water worth listening to and writing about. I cleared my mind and > listened to CN again this time throwing all I knew of BOC out the window. > This was a debut album, the first effort, is this a good band or a bad > band. The fourth listen brought me to the conclusion that this is a bad > album only if compared to previous BOC works. If it were the first then CN > wasn't bad at all. Oh sure Make Rock Not War, Beat Em' Up and Shadow > Warrior sound like the same song played a dozen different ways by a dozen > different bands, but there was something dramatically un-BOC like about this > album. White Flags was catchy, Dancin in The Ruins rythmic, Spy in The > House of the Night, hey use it in a Double o 7 soundtrack. This stuff was > pretty good! > > Yeah. I was starting to like Club Ninja. I looked at the cover again to > ensure it was really Blue Oyster Cult and not just a Buck Dharma solo > Project. Yeah it was them alright. CN represents a radical change for the > Oyster boys. There is more keyboarding and less reliance on Bucks fancy > fingers even though his trademark licks can be found smattered through > various songs. Eric Bloom is somewhat understated but it works on a few > numbers as the music takes the front seat. Though I do not care very much > for Make Rock Not War, Eric's vocals makes the song at least tolerable to > the extent that a slight remix may make this one a candidate for top 40 > airplay. The only grevious error on the album is the inane Beat Em' Up. > Dumb message for an even dumber sounding song. What should come over as a > rah-rah everyone on your feet and clapping song turns out to be a third rate > version of Let Go from Revolution By Night (Hey guys never end a show with > this one.) > > Bottom line while not perfect CN may suprise a few folk who have never given > BOC a proper listen. This album may go over well with those who like their > rock with a little pop mixed in. A little more energy a better mixing > couldn't hurt but then who has time to make Perfect Music anymore. A word > of warning to new BOC listeners however, NEVER PLAY THIS ALBUM IN FRONT OF A > RABID BOC FAN, IT COULD BE EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH. > > Joe's Overall rating - 5.5 out of ten. Much as I tried I couldn't quite > separate the band from the music which impacts the ratings. CN is at best a > half hearted effort from one of the worlds best bands, sounds a bit too much > like an album for the sake of fufilling a contractual obligation. Still I > would like it more if BOC's name were not on it, maybe REO Speedwagon. > Hardcore BOC fans boy are they gonna grumble about this one. > **************************************************************************** > *************************************** > Just my strange way of sayin Club Ninja isn't all that bad if it were to > stand alone. Problem is it can't stand up to the leagacy BOC has already > established. > > AB AB Curious that you sort of panned CN, wondering if it's really a Buck solo album, but you love (as do I) 'Imaginos' which is pretty much an Albert solo album, de facto. Am I imagining (ouch) this, or does Albert supply almost all the vocals on 'Imaginos.' The production is great, but there's been some creative eq-ing of the vocals. Does Eric sing ANY lead vocals on this album? How about Buck? Also, in your review of CN you don't touch upon the presence of outside influences and the fact that BOC on this album is essentially a trio with added sidemen. This theme reoccurs on 'Imaginos' which seems to be, judging from the credits, a studio record made by studio musicians, with the BOC mainly singing (excuse me, Albert mainly singing) and outside musicians supplying much of the sound. Don't get me wrong, 'Imaginos' is a masterpiece, I'm just not sure who's playing what. It's almost like a great concept album with the BOC conducting a select orchestra of rockers from the sidelines. My actual knowledge of 'Imaginos' is sketchy, and these opinions are purely speculative. Can you fill me in on 'Imaginos' and perhaps provide a similar capsule review? theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 17 19:07:04 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:07:04 EST Subject: BOC/Covers debate - Name some changes Message-ID: > 2) they could also > > experiment > > with different (i.e., accoustic) versions of some of the classics; Buck > > doing a solo version of Reaper, Alan and Eric with keys only doing Joan > > Crawford, an extended instrumental version of Astronomy or Magna from > > Imaginos > > Well, doing stuff "unplugged" isn't exactly cutting edge, but could > work... hopefully, I'll be able to form an opinion on Dec 13th... as for > _Imaginos_ material, the words that spring to mind are "dream" and "on" :( > - Andy > > ObCD: George Thorogood - _Let's Work Together_ I wish that whole 'unplugged' biz would die on the vine. Besides reinforcing an MTV trademark ever time I hear it, by itself bile inducing, it also reminds me how bands try to do stuff other than what they're best at. I love the Allmans, but I dread it every time they drag out the boxes. When you're an amazing electric band like BOC, why not do what you do best: level arenas (clubs nowadays) with blistering, electric rock 'n' roll? Leave the acoustic stuff to folkies who are truly wedded to it? Anyway, isn't the whole unplugged thing just copping from Led Zep? Come to think of it, I never liked their acoustic stuff either... theo From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Wed Oct 18 16:40:10 1995 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:40:10 EST Subject: Space Ritual Encore In-Reply-To: <9510131412.aa07289@uk.ac.ed.castle>; from "M Holmes" at Oct 13, 95 02:12:17 pm Message-ID: Hi the other day , a local public radio station played all of Space Ritual plus the encore.The encore was sequed from the clapping at the end of Welcome etc.The one thing that was different was at the end of the encore after Lemmy says "what sort of ending was that", Andy dunkley,Nik and Stacia all made announcements thanking the audience ,and also wished everyone a happy new year.I have got the encore on stasis or one of the Anthogy cd's ,but have never heard the "extra" spoken piece,I will be phoning the guys up this week to find out where and what there copy is,but in the meantime does anyone have an idea ? where this comes from. I also have given these guys the list address,so there may be a few more aussies on the list. Also I listened to the cd with the travel mix of Niks extra track with most of the pressurehead guys,does this compare to any of Niks new stuff ,'cos I was quite impressed. regards Marty P.s seriously considering to fly over to the UK,to catch the Portsmouth and next day gigs,but need to be more convinced that this is a tour not to be missed,help anyone ? 'am I losing my mind? From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Oct 18 09:48:41 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:48:41 BST Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? In-Reply-To: Rob S's message of Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:51:09 BST Message-ID: > I'll wear my Nethawks (UK version) t-shirt and a green hooded top. I'll probably be wearing my NetHawks (US version) t-shirt and biker jacket. And/Or possibly some multi-coloured apparel. Dave From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Oct 18 02:43:45 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 02:43:45 -0400 Subject: [HW] update on cover project Message-ID: I had agreed to contribute my Sore Throat - "Silver Kerching", but never heard back about it. Is this still wanted? I warned that the quality wasn't too good, but Allan (I think) said that was okay. Chuck From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 18 11:53:58 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:53:58 BST Subject: HW Alien (I Am) In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Thu, 5 Oct 1995 20:07:00 BST-1 Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > OK, "Sputnik Stan" was easy... this is my best shot at the lyrics to > "Alien (I Am)". I'm not 100% certain about much of this, but I've marked > the dodgiest lines. It's the chorus that really bugs me! > > > I lack emotion > I've no love that I will find > I once found devotion > To be the worried mind > > The heart is suffered [?] > The soul is scorched [?] > Lying here ruptured > With such empty mental thoughts [?] I thought this line might end with "sentimental thoughts" From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Oct 18 07:55:52 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 07:55:52 -0400 Subject: BOC Club Ninja a Review Message-ID: Theo says: Curious that you sort of panned CN, wondering if it's really a Buck solo album, but you love (as do I) 'Imaginos' which is pretty much an Albert solo album, de facto. Am I imagining (ouch) this, or does Albert supply almost all the vocals on 'Imaginos.' The production is great, but there's been some creative eq-ing of the vocals. Does Eric sing ANY lead vocals on this album? How about Buck? Also, in your review of CN you don't touch upon the presence of outside influences and the fact that BOC on this album is essentially a trio with added sidemen. This theme reoccurs on 'Imaginos' which seems to be, judging from the credits, a studio record made by studio musicians, with the BOC mainly singing (excuse me, Albert mainly singing) and outside musicians supplying much of the sound. Don't get me wrong, 'Imaginos' is a masterpiece, I'm just not sure who's playing what. It's almost like a great concept album with the BOC conducting a select orchestra of rockers from the sidelines. My actual knowledge of 'Imaginos' is sketchy, and these opinions are purely speculative. Can you fill me in on 'Imaginos' and perhaps provide a similar capsule review? theo Theo: You should really read what's in the FAQ on this subject, but to answer a few of your questions, most of the lead vocals on Imaginos are Eric's and Buck's (although there are a few, like the verses of "Blue Oyster Cult", that have Albert) - Albert did most of the lead vocals for Imaginos originally, but when the album was re-done, Eric and Buck re-did alot of the vocals (presumably because Columbia wanted them re-done). And yes, Imaginos is a masterpiece, and to some extent, no-one is sure who's playing what. Albert and several musician friends of his did the original work, and later many parts were re-done by what was BOC along with pehaps other musicians as well. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Oct 18 08:10:45 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 08:10:45 -0400 Subject: DOMINANCE AND SUBMISSION!! Message-ID: While broswing at the Cambridge (Massachusetts, not England) Tower Records, I was looking in the CD Singles section 'cuz Deborah has provided us info from Mr. Watt that a single of "E-Ticket Ride" would be out next week - and of course, the long-awaited version of "Dominance and Submission" was to be a track on that CD. Well, as I was checking the CDs yesterday, I came across a "Swedish Import" CD Single of Watt's "Piss Bottle Man", and to my surprise and delight, track 2 was titled "Dominance and Submission"! I grabbed it off the rack as fast as I could, paid for it and headed home to play it. BTW, Track 3 is "Big Train". I'm a little confused about this release since I thought "D&S" was supposed to be part of the "E-Ticket Ride" single, but I also recall Deborah passing on a note from Watt that indicated that Columbia (this IS a Columbia CD Single, BTW) had to re-do the artwork or something -- well, this CD single I have does not credit Albert/Joe Bouchard or BOC in any way for the song, so perhaps what I have here is the CD with the "bad" artwork? I assume that the "E-Ticket Ride" single will properly credit Albert's songwriting and performance (and Joe Bouchard's as well) of this track. Now, for the song - WOW. What a great version of this BOC chestnut. Not only are the lyrics "slightly" revamped for the 90's, but there is some cool bass and keyboard work (I know, keyboards in Dominance & Submission?, yeah, but it works!), and Albert's vocal is even better than the original (Secret Treaties) version. The thing that confuses me (and maybe this is just my BOC bias coming through) is that this track absolutely blew away the other 2 tracks on the single, and it was the other 2 tracks which were on Watt's "Ball-Hog or Tugboat?" CD - IMHO, Watt made a mistake by not putting this on the album. Anyways, I assume that the CD single I got may be kinda rare (but your local Tower may have 1 or 2 copies), but another one is presumably coming out next week -- if you see it, get it. Not one to miss if you are a BOC fan. John PS: My understanding is that Albert played guitar and did the vocals on this track, and Joe B. played the keyboards (based on information from sources other than the CD) - is this correct? From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Oct 18 08:45:19 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 08:45:19 -0400 Subject: BOC: 3-pack out? Message-ID: Also when at Tower yesterday, I checked for the upcoming BOC 3-pack, but it was not yet there. I even looked at Tower's computer listing, and it showed a BOC/Tyranny/ST 3CD pack release on 10/17 - it didn't indicate if there was anything unique about this release. I say again, if the CDs are not re-mastered, what is the point of this release? All three of the CDs are currently available. Adrian's point about getting 3 CDs for a good price doesn't make much sense to me because alot of record stores already sell their BOC CDs at fairly low prices (I picked up most of the studio CDs for under $10 a piece, some probably as low as $5 - and yes, these were "new"). Who is going to buy the 3 pack if it is just the 3 CDs currently available put together? Certainly not the people who already own them individually (or is there some little "teaser" that will prompt a collector such as myself to scarf up this package?). Casual fans? I would think either a live album or a compilation like WOTT would be something that they would pick up first. Potential new fans? Again, I think that they'd go for a live album or compilation before grabbing this 3-pack. I really can't see this move as being beneficial for Sony, BOC, or BOC fans (again, I'm assuming that there's no re-mastering - and they're just slapping the first 3 albums on CD into one package). Sony would've done better to have spent whatever expenses were involved in producing this packgage into making WOTT a better package (3 CDs to include the numerous tracks that should've been on it, better artwork and liner notes, and maybe more money spent on marketing the final product). But, I'll stop by my local Tower today and keep you all posted. John From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Oct 18 09:01:48 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:01:48 -0400 Subject: HW: Review - Yuri Gagarin !!???!?!?! Message-ID: > Mine has a picture of a couple of warriors on the cover with a grey tree, > and has an abstract thing with some shapes inside, and cost me $9 at Tower. > Blockbuster Music has one with my inside picture on teh outside for $16. Mine just has the abstract shapes. -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! Thought for the day: Intuition (n): an uncanny sixth sense which tells people that they are right, whether they are or not. From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Wed Oct 18 14:05:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:05:00 BST-1 Subject: HW: Steve Swindells Message-ID: Browsing _Time Out_ just now instead of working, I was sort-of reading the "Techno" column, about a web-based "digital jukebox" where unsigned artists can tout their wares, when I noticed the byline - Steve Swindells, ex-Hawklord. Anyway, apparently he's got a home-page somewhere on these people's system, which is at http://cdj.cerbernet.co.uk/ However, it seems you have to download some software and then install it in order to proceed, and I frankly couldn't be arsed... but Hawkwind-friends-and-relations completists, anyone curious about web-based music publishing, might be interested. - Andy From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Wed Oct 18 15:12:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:12:00 BST-1 Subject: HW Alien (I Am) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9510181153.aa19316 at uk.ac.ed.castle> > > The heart is suffered [?] > > The soul is scorched [?] > > Lying here ruptured > > With such empty mental thoughts [?] > > I thought this line might end with "sentimental thoughts" I think you're probably right. Which was the last album to have a lyrics insert? Was it _Church_? - Andy From bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM Wed Oct 18 10:13:27 1995 From: bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:13:27 -0800 Subject: BOC Club Ninja a Review Message-ID: On Tue 17-Oct-1995 5:52p, Ted O. Jackson wrote: TJ> great, but there's been some creative eq-ing of the vocals. Does TJ> Eric sing ANY lead vocals on this album? How about Buck? Also, in TJ> your review of CN you don't touch upon the presence of outside As far as I can tell, Eric is singing on "I am the One You Warned me of", "Del Rio" and "...Frankenstien's Castle...". Buck sings "Les Invisibles", "In the Presence of Another World", "Astronomy" and "Magna of Illusion". This all seems pretty clear to me. I always thought it was Joe on "Blue Oyster Cult" but am not sure. The only song was ever sure was Al singing was "Imaginos". I'd be very curious to know if I'm mistaken on any of the above.. You out there Al? By the way, I bought CN when it came out and have listened to it no more than maybe 3 times... (Yes, I'm a CN basher...) I thought it was all over for the boys when that one hit... yech... _ || \ *jbrooks at bpalace.com "San Diego's || < *PGP key available Original |_||_/ *Brokedown Palace BBS 619-596-1974/7419 Grateful BBS" From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Oct 18 12:29:27 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:29:27 EST Subject: BOC Club Ninja a Review Message-ID: > As far as I can tell, Eric is singing on "I am the One You Warned me of", "Del > Rio" and "...Frankenstien's Castle...". Buck sings "Les Invisibles", "In the > Presence of Another World", "Astronomy" and "Magna of Illusion". This all > seems pretty clear to me. I always thought it was Joe on "Blue Oyster Cult" > but am not sure. The only song was ever sure was Al singing was "Imaginos". > > I'd be very curious to know if I'm mistaken on any of the above.. You out > there Al? > Listen to 'Magna' again. I'd swear that was Albert. I'm just not sure about any of them, though I agree that's Eric on 'Del Rio.' From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Oct 18 11:32:22 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:32:22 -0400 Subject: BOC Club Ninja a Review Message-ID: Once again the "Club Ninja Bashing" thread is alive and well on BOC-L ;) As far as "which Bouchard sang what" on Imaginos, Albert previously provided the following: Imaginos: I sing "Blue Oyster Cult" and some of "Del Rio Song" and part of "Astronomy." Joe is on most of the backgrounds. I'm on all of them. John From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Wed Oct 18 11:54:30 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:54:30 -0500 Subject: Melting euphoria (fwd) -Reply In-Reply-To: <199510071419.HAA00972@ix.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Oct 1995, William Stone wrote: > >Uh, i should get sponsership money for each time i plug these > >guys.... > > Then plug a humble list member...:) > > >delerium records have a OO cd out (self titled), their e-mail address > >is delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk; i'll also forward info i sent to lisa > >about nick riff, 'cos it's all the same incl. prices. > > > > I should be carrying most all of the Delerium stuff by month's end. > Any interest out there??? > > Wylie > wylie, sounds great to me!! they have a ton of cool stuff are you gonna be able to get them for a reasonable price? send me more info please - i don't know anything about your business - you take mail orders? thanks- mike psyche From thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM Wed Oct 18 13:10:00 1995 From: thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM (Matt Thompson) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:10:00 E Subject: BOC Club Ninja a Review Message-ID: >As far as I can tell, Eric is singing on "I am the One You Warned me of", "Del >Rio" and "...Frankenstien's Castle...". Buck sings "Les Invisibles", "In the >Presence of Another World", "Astronomy" and "Magna of Illusion". This all >seems pretty clear to me. I always thought it was Joe on "Blue Oyster Cult" >but am not sure. The only song was ever sure was Al singing was >"Imaginos". This is my understanding on who sings what on Imaginos: I Am The One You Warned Me Of -- Eric with Jon Rogers singing a couple of the high lines Les Invisibles -- Buck In The Presence Of Another World -- Eric Del Rio's Song -- Eric with Al doing the spoken part The Siege And Investiture Of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle At Weisseria -- Joey Cerisano Astronomy -- Buck with Al Magna Of Illusion -- Buck with I think Al on the spoken part Blue Oyster Cult -- Al with I think Buck on the chorus Imaginos -- Jon Rogers Joe is just on the backgrounds. Al is on almost all the backgrounds. Matt Thompson thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Oct 18 16:00:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:00:00 PDT Subject: BOC: 3-pack out? Message-ID: Some other thoughts on 3 pak >I say again, if the CDs are not re-mastered, what is the point of this >release? All three of the CDs are currently available. Adrian's point >about getting 3 CDs for a good price doesn't make much sense to me because >alot of record stores already sell their BOC CDs at fairly low prices (I >picked up most of the studio CDs for under $10 a piece, some probably as >low as $5 - and yes, these were "new"). Hope I do not offend any financial professionals out there but as a beancounter once told me "the numbers is the numbers." At Best Buy you can get each of BOC's first three releases for $7.88 each, total of $23.64. These are the original cd's and not remastered. Now pretend that your entire BOC collection is on vinyl or tape. Sony releases 3 pak which is not remastered, for a bundled price $17.99. Do you buy them individually or do you buy Sony's 3 pak? I am not suggesting to any one on this list to buy 3pak, it makes very little sense to someone who has even one of these on cd (I have Secret Treaties only so unless 3 pak cost ten bucks I would not make this purchase simply for the other two). 3 pak is much like WOTT it is not for us but for rediscovering, reemerging and new fans of the band. >Who is going to buy the 3 pack if it is just the 3 CDs currently available >put together? Certainly not the people who already own them individually >(or is there some little "teaser" that will prompt a collector such as >myself to scarf up this package?). Casual fans? I would think either >a live album or a compilation like WOTT would be something that they >would pick up first. Potential new fans? Again, I think that they'd >go for a live album or compilation before grabbing this 3-pack. Yeah but if you look closely at what Sony's done here they have obviously done some homework on this. 3 pak was listed on CDNow before WOTT was in stores and then the release date was moved up a week. That should tell you that Sony believes there is a sufficient market for these three cd's bundled together. As to who might buy it, see above. >I really can't see this move as being beneficial for Sony, BOC, or BOC >fans (again, I'm assuming that there's no re-mastering - and they're >just slapping the first 3 albums on CD into one package). Sony would've >done better to have spent whatever expenses were involved in producing >this packgage into making WOTT a better package (3 CDs to include the >numerous tracks that should've been on it, better artwork and liner >notes, and maybe more money spent on marketing the final product). Its very beneficial to Sony if 3 pak sells to their expectations and projections. I can only assume the band is rreceiving some royalties from this. If BOC is receiving royalties they may make a few bucks more on sales of 3pak thaan they did when these were originaly released. All the upfront cost in producing these cd's was accounted for or written off many years ago. The Oyster boys should be receiving some small royalty without expenses being deducted from the checks. So if it sells it may benefit the pcokets but will not do much for the images of either. As to what better ways to spend the money well nothing wrong with what you suggest, in fact an excellent idea but it didn't happen that way. Isn't it safe to say that BOC fans on this list want the SWU/SFG stuff and a new release. If any of us had a representative voice at Sony perhaps we can get this stuff. I'm not a gambling man but I will wager you this: WOTT appears to have met or exceeded Sony's sales expectations; 3 pak is being released so close to WOTT that you can assume Sony' beleives there's a market there. If 3 pak meets Sony's expecations then what we may get next (this is the good news) is the rare/demo stuff. Why? Its a lot cheaper for Sony to put this stuff out and make a decent return than to pay the expenses associated with recording distributing and marketing a new album. Hey again I'm not suggesting we buy 3 pak , make Sony happy and pray they will favor us with the rare stuff, nope quite the opposite, let those who want to catch up on there cd collection fill Sony's pockets, me I'm still searching for Gary Hoey's Christmas cd and his first cd which has just been re-releeased by Surf Dog. Hope this clears up the confusion. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Oct 18 16:13:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:13:00 PDT Subject: BOC Club Ninja a Review - Theo Message-ID: Theo says: >Curious that you sort of panned CN, wondering if it's really a Buck >solo album, but you love (as do I) 'Imaginos' which is pretty much an >Albert solo album, de facto. The review was a lousy attempt at humor (didn't work I take it) but I didn't really pan or say I loved it. I think CN has one great song, a couple of good ones, some mediocre and one out and out stinker. When I listen to CN I do think its a Buck solo effort because, the songs I like the most he sings. His guitar work isn't awe inspiring but its a hell of a lot better than most guitarist. Eyes did some good vocals but left me with the impression that he was "goin through the motions.." By the way I love Imaginos but don't ask me why. I put out these reviews for the simple stuff because I am not a very good writer, though I have been nknown to draft some superior legaless, just don't confuse it with english. An Imagino review would be awsome done by some real talent like John S., or Torgo or Paul who's been doing the HW reviews. Me, well Imaginos deserves a lot better than I can provide. How about you? >Also, in your review of CN you don't touch upon the presence of outside >influences and the fact that BOC on this album is essentially a trio >with added sidemen. Didn't really matter, as any similarity between CN songs and the BOC we all love is probably purely coincidental. Now if CN with the same sound you hear now was the fiorst release by some young kids new to the music scene I don't think people on the list would be so harsh on it. Its a mainstream pop/top 40 album and pales in comparison to the bands earlier achievements. Again take away the BOC name and I'm not sure anyone hates it as much as some have let on. >This theme reoccurs on 'Imaginos' which seems to >be, judging from the credits, a studio record made by studio >musicians, with the BOC mainly singing (excuse me, Albert mainly >singing) and outside musicians supplying much of the sound. Don't >get me wrong, 'Imaginos' is a masterpiece, I'm just not sure who's >playing what. It's almost like a great concept album with the BOC >conducting a select orchestra of rockers from the sidelines. My >actual knowledge of 'Imaginos' is sketchy, and these opinions are >purely speculative. Can you fill me in on 'Imaginos' and perhaps >provide a similar capsule review? I think you kind of answered your own question there Theo. Imaginos did utilize the talents of some great muscians but this was by design and not circumstance. Can you imagine what imaginos would have sounded like with all of the songs included, performed on stage with a real orchestra? That is a mind blowing thought. AB Five in the Player Kiss - Alive I (Still rocks) Lynard Skynard - One More From The Road Kansas - Two for the Show Deep Purple - Nobody's Perfect Dokken - Beast From the East (oooh live Mr. Scary) From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Oct 18 14:26:01 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:26:01 -0400 Subject: BOC: 3-pack out? Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-18 08:50:40 EDT, you write: >I say again, if the CDs are not re-mastered, what is the point of this >release? All three of the CDs are currently available. Adrian's point >about getting 3 CDs for a good price doesn't make much sense to me because >alot of record stores already sell their BOC CDs at fairly low prices (I >picked up most of the studio CDs for under $10 a piece, some probably as >low as $5 - and yes, these were "new"). > > the only benefit I see from the 3 pak (which are also being produced for Bob Dylan and Cheap Trick) is a lower price...they won't make out as if they would sell them individually, but maybe their philosophy is "take a lil bit from alot of people"...I would buy it, because I am missing 2/3 of the bundle on CD, and would probly give the other one away... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Oct 18 14:26:07 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:26:07 -0400 Subject: BOC Club Ninja a Review Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-18 11:43:09 EDT, you write: >As far as "which Bouchard sang what" on Imaginos, Albert previously >provided the following: > >Imaginos: I sing "Blue Oyster Cult" and some of "Del Rio Song" and part of >"Astronomy." Joe is on most of the backgrounds. I'm on all of them. > > > ok...I know the part in "Del Rio" where Albert sings, but where in "Astronomy" does he sing? I know Sandy Pearlman does the "hey, hey-hey" part... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Oct 18 14:26:04 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:26:04 -0400 Subject: BOC Club Ninja a Review Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-18 11:07:36 EDT, you write: >As far as I can tell, Eric is singing on "I am the One You Warned me of", >"Del >Rio" and "...Frankenstien's Castle...". Buck sings "Les Invisibles", "In the >Presence of Another World", "Astronomy" and "Magna of Illusion". This all >seems pretty clear to me. I always thought it was Joe on "Blue Oyster Cult" >but am not sure. The only song was ever sure was Al singing was "Imaginos". > >I'd be very curious to know if I'm mistaken on any of the above.. You out >there Al? EB sings 'Presence', Joey Buttafucco sings "Frankenstein" (and I believe he is the one that sings in "I am..." those high notes "ten fingers have I / to play them again"...on the Imaginos boot, Jon Rogers sang those parts...)...I thought it was Albert and Buck singing on "Blue Oyster Cult"... ROBO From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Oct 18 15:44:52 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:44:52 EST Subject: BOC Club Ninja a Review - Theo Message-ID: > AB > Five in the Player > > Kiss - Alive I (Still rocks) > Lynard Skynard - One More From The Road > Kansas - Two for the Show > Deep Purple - Nobody's Perfect > Dokken - Beast From the East (oooh live Mr. Scary) AB Had the distinct pleasure of seeing Mr. Scary in July at a club, no less, with the resurrected Dokken. He was amazing, Marshall, Bogners, Tonemasters protesting lustily at his mistreatment! The same club where I've seen BOC/SWU many times, and walking distance from my hovel. I know I'm putting my head on the block, but I like the new Dokken disc. How 'bout you? theo From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Oct 18 17:00:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:00:00 PDT Subject: BOC/Covers debate - Name some changes Message-ID: Adrian says: > [...] whats the point of playing five or six new songs that > you can > only hear if you see them live. >Well, you could argue that that's a very *good* reason for playing some >new material! It doesn't do a thing for new or casual > fans; even if they like the songs they can't get their hands on them > unless > they get a boot. >Some of the best gigs I've ever been to have been to bands I've never >even heard before, and where (I've found out later) the material is not >on any of the albums (I'm thinking of Giant Sand and Mano Negra - two >excellent bands, BTW). I dunno, I think of a gig as an event to be >enjoyed for its own merits - not an ad for an album, not a taping >opportunity, but a performance to be enjoyed. And if I've enjoyed it, it >*doesn't matter* if I can't "take it home with me" - that's what memory >is for. Ok so you remebered the songs from the show. A year later the band is back in town and they play some songs from a so-called new album. Do you remember that these are the same songs they played when you heard them a year ago or do you think these are more new ones? My point was that without a way of getting these songs in peoples hands bands probably don't have as much incentive to play them. [set list ideas] > 1) including a brief medely of five or six of the classic numbers from > the > first three or perhaps Specters, AOF and CE >Yuk (speaking personally) - I *hate* medleys! (IMO, Hawkwind veer >uncomfortably close to the edge in that respect sometimes...) Usually don't like them myself, however, it is a decent way of trying to provide the entire crowd a little bit of what they may want the most. Saw Earth Wind and Fire (R&B) band this summer. They played three different medelys during their set. You know what? Even after a two hour set they still ommitted four to five of the best songs they ever made. They have so much memorable material they could only play it all if they gave a 4-5 hour show. BOC has a lot of material, a well done medely could at least tickle a few bones with some of the old songs they don't do anymore but people may still want to hear. 2) they could also > experiment > with different (i.e., accoustic) versions of some of the classics; Buck > doing a solo version of Reaper, Alan and Eric with keys only doing Joan > Crawford, an extended instrumental version of Astronomy or Magna from > Imaginos >Well, doing stuff "unplugged" isn't exactly cutting edge, but could >work... hopefully, I'll be able to form an opinion on Dec 13th... as for >_Imaginos_ material, the words that spring to mind are "dream" and "on" :( No its not the cutting edge, it does however provide a fresh apporach to a song. Neil Young did an accoustic Rocking the Free World IMHO thought it blew away the electric version. Nirvana, before their MTYV Unplugged cd I hated every single one of their songs. Listened to the accoustic versions and came to like a few even. My point is rather than playing the same song the same way why not play it diffrently, freshen it up a bit. Accoustically is just one way. Astronomy has been done in two versions and I like them both. 3) how about some covers other than BTBW or somethings blues > based. > Maybe some hard edge Sabbath (Meglomainia, yeah) or Deep Purple (Smoke > on > the Water). >Ooh yeah! But "War Pigs", please! :) No doubt the could knock the bottom off with War Pigs but I'm a sucker for Meglo or a faster cover like Symptons of the Universe or Fairies Wear Boots. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Oct 18 17:08:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:08:00 PDT Subject: BOC Club Ninja a Review - Theo Message-ID: > AB > Five in the Player > > Kiss - Alive I (Still rocks) > Lynard Skynard - One More From The Road > Kansas - Two for the Show > Deep Purple - Nobody's Perfect > Dokken - Beast From the East (oooh live Mr. Scary) >AB >Had the distinct pleasure of seeing Mr. Scary in July at a club, no >less, with the resurrected Dokken. He was amazing, Marshall, >Bogners, Tonemasters protesting lustily at his mistreatment! The >same club where I've seen BOC/SWU many times, and walking distance >from my hovel. I know I'm putting my head on the block, but I like >the new Dokken disc. How 'bout you? >theo Dysfunctional? Haven't heard it. Not really big on Dokken, their pretty good though. Most people I know who have heard Dysfunctional like it a lot. I happen to like Lynch's guitar work more than than the whole band. Dokken I believe is on my favorite clubs hit list, along with Saigon Kick and a few more. Seem likes they have backed out of a couple of different dates with Jaxx so I may never get to see them there. Yo Theo, if you want to talk about them and some other bands send me a line off line, we are going to get flamed for being off topic. abrevard @shl.com AB From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Oct 18 15:27:46 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:27:46 -0400 Subject: BOC: 3-pack out? Message-ID: A few more comments on what Adrian said: > At Best Buy you can get each of BOC's first three releases for $7.88 each, total of $23.64. These are the original cd's and not remastered. Now pretend that your entire BOC collection is on vinyl or tape. Sony releases 3 pak which is not remastered, for a bundled price $17.99. Now, this makes no sense to me. WOTT, a double CD was released less than a month ago, prices in around $20-25. Now they're gonna turn around and sell a *3* CD pack for less? And I do not believe that there are very many folks who have not got the catalog on CD that are suddenly going to scarf up this 3-pack. Again, the 3 CDs have been on the shelves for years, and usually at a decent price. Someone who wouldn't fork over $20-30 for them individually is suddenly going to pick up the package for $18? No, I doubt that. I can understand a market for WOTT - but just bundling the 3 CDs together seems like a very dumb idea. John From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Oct 18 15:27:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:27:00 EDT Subject: BOC: 3-pack out Message-ID: Would this BOC 3-pack go well with a Red Dog 6-pack? Rudy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Oct 18 17:09:56 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:09:56 EST Subject: BOC: 3-pack out Message-ID: > Would this BOC 3-pack go well with a Red Dog 6-pack? > > Rudy Well, they're both dogs, that's certain! From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Oct 18 17:39:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:39:00 PDT Subject: BOC: 3-pack out Message-ID: >Would this BOC 3-pack go well with a Red Dog 6-pack? >Rudy Only if you have a spare copy of each on vinyl and you smoke them. AB From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Oct 18 17:11:31 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 17:11:31 -0400 Subject: Athens, Greece Message-ID: I'll be temporarily unsubscribing for a week or so tomorrow to go to Athens. This will be my first time there. Anyone got any thoughts on things to do? Che(OUSO)eers! Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Oct 18 17:14:24 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 17:14:24 -0400 Subject: [HW] update on cover project Message-ID: If things develop while I am away e.g. I need to mail the money for the tapes, would someone please forward the message directly to white at borg.med.ecu.edu as I will be temporarily unsubscribed till the end of the month Thanks Martyn From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Oct 18 18:44:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:44:00 PDT Subject: Does Anybody Know Eric's Preferences? Message-ID: Does anyone know what type of system Eric operates with? Particularly need to know if he uses a word processing package such as Microsoft Word or Word Perfect? Really need to know. Thanks AB From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Wed Oct 18 19:23:30 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN HALLIGAN) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 18:23:30 EST Subject: BOC: Tour-Spiel Message-ID: I picked up the Minutemen double live album "Ballot Result" over mid-semester break. It includes Tour-Spiel, the song that goes, "I dreamed I was E. Bloom but I woke up Joe Bouchard..." played in Albuquerque 5/25/85. Mike Watt takes the lead vocals and since this was actually a Black Flag show, let BF's bassist handle the bottom line. The song itself is good, but the vocals are some of the worst I've ever heard (even for punk). It's really a shame. Does anyone know if this song ever made a Minutemen studio album? BOC and "Al" Lanier (Allen?) are thanked on the album. The rest of the songs were pulled from varied sources (glorified boots to studio sessions) so the quality varies. I'd recommend this album to anyone who likes driving bass lines, trebly guitar and can get past the awful vocals on some of the tracks! obcds> UO/Exit the Dragon, Tull/Roots to Branches Brian From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Wed Oct 18 23:28:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 23:28:00 BST-1 Subject: Does Anybody Know Eric's Preferences? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3085930B at houmg001.shl.com> With a subject line like that, what a shame you were asking about Word Processing software... (He always sings the "submission" line, anyway... :) - Andy From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Oct 18 18:57:13 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:57:13 -0600 Subject: Athens, Greece In-Reply-To: <9510182111.AA13975@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Martyn White wrote: > I'll be temporarily unsubscribing for a week or so > tomorrow to go to Athens. This will be my first time there. > Anyone got any thoughts on things to do? > > Che(OUSO)eers! > > Martyn > Martyn- Yeah, drink alot of Ouzo!!! Don't get in ANY trouble with the law over there; they love to torture American and British folks. ANd try to stay there until Dec 15-16; BOC will be playing in Athens!!! Have fun and God bless..... Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Oct 18 18:56:41 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 18:56:41 -0400 Subject: BOC: Tour-Spiel In-Reply-To: <0099810F.4A6BC640.151@bigvax.alfred.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, BRIAN HALLIGAN wrote: > I picked up the Minutemen double live album "Ballot Result" over > mid-semester break. It includes Tour-Spiel, the song that goes, "I dreamed > I was E. Bloom but I woke up Joe Bouchard..." played in Albuquerque 5/25/85. > Mike Watt takes the lead vocals and since this was actually a Black Flag show, > let BF's bassist handle the bottom line. The song itself is good, but the > vocals are some of the worst I've ever heard (even for punk). It's really > a shame. Does anyone know if this song ever made a Minutemen studio album? You also will want the cover of this by the Brain Surgeons, from _Our Band Could Be Your Life / a tribute to D Boon and the Minutemen_. It's a great, great version. It's on: Little Brother records P.O. Box 3224 Eugene, OR 97403 Steve From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Oct 18 21:46:10 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:46:10 -0400 Subject: BOC: 3-pack out? In-Reply-To: <199510181927.PAA18299@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: John A Swartz wrote: > Now, this makes no sense to me. WOTT, a double CD was released less than > a month ago, prices in around $20-25. Now they're gonna turn around and > sell a *3* CD pack for less? Yes, because WOTT had to be produced in terms of sequencing and assembling the material onto CD, cobbling together artwork, liner notes, etc. With the 3-pack, all they have to do is stuff three extant albums into a cardboard sleeve that has a cheesy composite of the album covers on it. No real expense involved... > And I do not believe that there are very many folks who have not got the > catalog on CD that are suddenly going to scarf up this 3-pack. Again, > the 3 CDs have been on the shelves for years, and usually at a decent > price. Someone who wouldn't fork over $20-30 for them individually is > suddenly going to pick up the package for $18? No, I doubt that. I don't see what all the mystery is about. Sony/Columbia have been doing these 3-packs for at least two years that I know of. They just bundle together three "notable" albums by someone on their roster, and flog them for the cost of two. At least this is what they've been doing in the UK. As for doubting whether anyone would fork out for such a beast, well, I, for one, would. In fact, I did. I bought the Stevie Ray Vaughn 3-pack about 2 years ago. And it was actually the cost that provided the incentive. I'd probably pick up the Santana 3-pack, too, if ever I stumbled across it again. I don't know if I'd go for the BOC 3-pack. I'm *sorely* tempted, as I don't have any of the three on CD, so it would be a great bargain for me. However, I'd prefer to wait until (if ever) the albums are properly remastered, before getting them on CD. It's a tough decision. But the price is a great incentive... > I can understand a market for WOTT - but just bundling the 3 CDs together > seems like a very dumb idea. Dumb idea or not, it's one they've been doing for quite some time. I guess it's just another way to try and shift back catalogue, no more, no less. It's not as if it takes much effort on their part to do these... Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _New River Head_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM Wed Oct 18 22:39:53 1995 From: skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM (Skip Galvin) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 19:39:53 -0700 Subject: Imaginos vocals In-Reply-To: <9510181413.0kth@bpalace.com> Message-ID: Joseph writes: "I always thought it was Joe on "Blue Oyster Cult" but am not sure. The only song was ever sure was Al singing was "Imaginos"." I always figured it was Albert followed by Buck singing on "Blue Oyster Cult". The singing seems to have that sinister Albert sound. --Skip From skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM Wed Oct 18 23:21:08 1995 From: skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM (Skip Galvin) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 20:21:08 -0700 Subject: 3-pak Message-ID: Paul writes: "As for doubting whether anyone would fork out for such a beast, well, I, for one, would. In fact, I did. I bought the Stevie Ray Vaughn 3-pack about 2 years ago. And it was actually the cost that provided the incentive. I'd probably pick up the Santana 3-pack, too, if ever I stumbled across it again. I don't know if I'd go for the BOC 3-pack. I'm *sorely* tempted, as I don't have any of the three on CD, so it would be a great bargain for me. However, I'd prefer to wait until (if ever) the albums are properly remastered, before getting them on CD. It's a tough decision. But the price is a great incentive..." I agree with Paul. I have very little BOC on cd and this is an excellent opportunity to pick some up. It would be great to have the albums re- mastered as Zep/Aerosmith's were but we could wait forever on this one. --Skip From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Oct 19 06:44:31 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:44:31 +0100 Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:32:53 -0000." <9510161232.AA02720@etlxd20c> Message-ID: Just got off the phone from the Brixton Academy Porcupine Tree are provisionally playing 7.15 - 7.45 Hawkwind Playing from 11.15 - 12.45am :-} This is all of course, fluid... Rather buggers my hopes of seeing both and getting a train home that night :-/ (Didn't check times of other bands, cos not particularly bothered by them) Someone here was going on about cheap hotels in the area as I recall. What were they?, since 13 hrs could prove a tad wearing imho. (yeah, 13 hrs, since the clocks go back at midnight. Hmm, from the above, does that mean Hawkwind play 2.5 hrs ? Cool :) Tim now playing: TBS 'Trepanation' (thanks to Paul) From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Oct 19 08:02:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:02:00 EDT Subject: HW: Review - Chronicles of the Black Sword Message-ID: Since I like this album a lot and it gives me a chance to rant about my favorite song, I wanted to pre-empt Paul. (I really enjoy your reviews, Sound Killer, but you're setting the bar too high. Thought I'd lower the standard.). Take it with a grain of salt (for entertainment purposes only). Artist: Hawkwind Title: The Chronicle of the Black Sword Label/Cat#: Flicknife - Sharp 033 (LP), Griffin - GCDHA-0142-2 (CD) 1st Release: 1985 Lineup: Dave Brock, Huw Lloyd-Langston, Alan Davey, Harvey Bainbridge, Danny Thompson (with some banging by Dave Charles) After a hiatus since _Space Ritual_, Hawkwind jumps back into the unified concept album mode with this musical "novel" of M. Moorcock's Eternal Champion character (Elric). I guess the purists would call this fantasy rock rather than space rock, but the music is great whatever genre it is. This album's tour spawned the Live Chronicles which has the advantage of including some narrative bits and extra songs that help explain the story line. The studio album relies strictly on the song lyrics and needs a bit of imagination (and attention) by the listener (or read the books). Song of Swords opens things up with sonic pulsations and then a tune of bright beginning. Elric doesn't yet realize the fix he is in. What's so bad about a sword that eats souls? Shade Gate evokes an image with its electronic sounds and a smooth guitar line. Sounds like a nice place to be until the sharp end. The Sea King is summoned to save Elric when he gets dunked in the drink. The baggage of Elric's past is beginning to weigh on him. This song may have to grow on you. The Pulsing Cavern puts you in a very strange place with its evocative sounds. Amazing what a mental image HW can evoke with their aural assaults. Elric the Enchanter puts the realization of Elric's dire fate upon him. A 2 part song rolled into one with a great musical segue to blend these parts. Some very good guitar work and electronic swirling. Needle Gun starts off the 2nd side of the LP with stinging guitars and the muttered line - "So you're alive, I thought you were done." The menace and power of the wielder of the "ultimate death toy" builds throughout. My ears keeps wanting to hear "Evil Needle, Needle, Needle Gun" in the chorus, but the evil may only be in my mind. This is my favorite of all Hawkwind songs. Nasty guitar for heavy metal kids. Turn it up full blast! Zarozina - What is this? Hawkwind visits the Micheal Bolton zone with a sad love ballad. Minor chords and an odd vocal with a background howl. The Demise - Elric desperately summons Arioch for help as the storm breaks. You hear it all. Sleep of a Thousand Tears is a tortured dream in full stereo sound. An Ozzy quality to the vocals on this one. Chaos Army is a brief burst of the sounds of hell as it breaks lose. Horn of Destiny is a climactic song with several musical themes (what's new). This song has a lot to like in it with every instrument having its moment. To make matters more complex, there are 3 CD releases (Flicknife, Dojo, and Griffin) that have bonus songs not on the LP. The 1st has "Arioch," "Assault & Battery" (LIVE), and "Sleep of a Thousand Tears" (LIVE). The 2nd has "The War I Survived" and "Voice Inside my Head" (a middle chunk of Brainstorm), both Live from a n '88 Hammersmith Odeon gig . The Griffin version is the best with "Arioch" and Live cuts "The War I Survived" and "Voice inside my Head." (These 2 CDs are the only legit sources of these songs.) "The War I Survived" is a version of the _Xenon Codex_ song that is faster and a little rawer. "Voice Inside my Head" is really good, especially the 2nd half. "Arioch" is an instrumental song that almost sounds non Hawkwind (next to no space noise), almost a jazzy Zappa tune. Good tune nonetheless. SUMMARY - FoFP rates this album "a must have" and I agree. The ties to Moorcock that have been there all along come into full bloom. So for HW fans, this is an important and very good album. The ability of Hawkwind to constantly transmute a song in a "structured jam" is showcased. The beginning of a track gives no clue what the middle will sound like and the end will be a radical change again. Some of the progressions are amazing. For a non fan, this album is very approachable. There is nothing extreme that only die hards and Dave's mother would like. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 19 08:14:56 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:14:56 -0400 Subject: For Adrian - Bloom's preferences Message-ID: Sorry about sending this to the list, but when I tried private e-mail, it bounced. John Adrian: I don't have a clue as to what kind of word processing capability Eric has (and I would doubt anyone on BOC-L does) - however, since you have MS Word, you can save whatever document you have as a straight text file (using the "Save As" command) -- and then if Bloom has any kind of editor, he ought to be able to read it. True, it might not have any nice formatting you've done (bold, underlining, fonts, tabs, etc), but at least the words will be there. Later, John From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Oct 19 08:15:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:15:00 EDT Subject: Off Topic: Athens Message-ID: Martyn, The beaches are nice and the old ruins are worth seeing. There is an old market area called the Placa that is a trip. You might even want to get to one of the islands, like Rhodes. Whatever you do, don't drive! Rudy From thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM Thu Oct 19 09:28:00 1995 From: thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM (Matt Thompson) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:28:00 E Subject: BOC: Tour-Spiel Message-ID: >Does anyone know if this song ever made a Minutemen studio album? The studio version of "Tour Spiel" is on the Minutemen ep "Project Mersh". I strongly recommend this for anyone with a remote interest in the band. The cd you picked up, Ballot Result, was thrown together after guitarist D. Boon died. The band was going to have released a 3 record set with 3 sides of new material and 3 sides of live versions of songs as voted by the fans in a ballot put in the album "Three Way Tie for Last". Since Boon died, they didn't have the new material and they didn't have quality live versions of all the songs for which the fans voted. "Ballot Result" was their best effort at compiling live versions of the selected songs but the quality is really spotty. I would recommend this only to those who are already Minutemen fans. A much better place to start is "Tour Spiel", "Three Way Tie for Last" (with a version of the Red and the Black featuring a triple bass solo), or "Double Nickles on the Dime" (Minutemen at their punkiest best). Matt Thompson thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 19 13:11:02 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:11:02 BST Subject: Athens, Greece In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Wed, 18 Oct 1995 17:11:31 -0400 Message-ID: > I'll be temporarily unsubscribing for a week or so > tomorrow to go to Athens. This will be my first time there. > Anyone got any thoughts on things to do? > yeah - buy a smog mask. I understand that the traffic pollution in Athens is about the worst in the world - it's why the Parthenon is corroding away. And - yeah - I guess visit the Parthenon! One thing I would love more than anything to do is to go to one of the Ancient Greek amphitheatres. They are vastly vast arenas but so perfectly designed acoustically that a voice spoken in the centre stage can be heard out at the furthermost tier (so I'm told). I'd really like to test this out. More - I'd really like to see Hawkwind stage a show in one! But that really is wishful (sigh) thinking 8-) Have fun jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Thu Oct 19 08:41:25 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:41:25 -0400 Subject: BOC: London date Message-ID: I'm getting confused. With all the sulking I'm doing about the possibility of missing BOC in London, I've lost the current date. Is it actually now December 13. Sorry about this. Can someone please confirm? .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu Oct 19 14:09:12 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:09:12 BST Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? Message-ID: > > Rather buggers my hopes of seeing both and getting a train home that night :-/ > (Didn't check times of other bands, cos not particularly bothered by them) > > Someone here was going on about cheap hotels in the area as I recall. What > were they?, since 13 hrs could prove a tad wearing imho. (yeah, 13 hrs, since > the clocks go back at midnight. Hmm, from the above, does that mean Hawkwind > play 2.5 hrs ? Cool :) > My diary says that British summer time ends next weekend (28th/29th) not this weekend......what a shame!!!! bye - Rob From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Oct 19 09:25:00 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:25:00 +0100 Subject: BST Re: HW: London In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:09:12 -0000." <9510191309.AA03515@etlxd20c> Message-ID: yes there's a lot of confusion about the end of BST Half the diaries around say this week, the rest put odds on next weekend. However, the groundswell opinion around here has been resoundingly for this weekend, the 22nd. Exciting stuff huh ? Tim From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Oct 19 14:38:43 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:38:43 BST Subject: HW: London/Wolverhampton? In-Reply-To: bart's message of Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:44:31 +0100 Message-ID: > Hawkwind Playing from 11.15 - 12.45am :-} I do hope they play rather longer than that... FoFP's review timed the Glasgow gig at 105 minutes plus encore... Dave. From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Oct 19 09:51:51 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:51:51 -0400 Subject: Space Ritual Encore Message-ID: > P.s seriously considering to fly over to the UK,to catch the Portsmouth and next day gigs,but need to be more convinced that this is a tour not > to be missed,help anyone ? 'am I losing my mind? The big question is: How much space do you have in your suitcase? I'm sure that I can tolerate 20 or so hours in cramped conditions with no water, food, cigarettes or possibility of waste disposal if it means I get to see HW Live ;^) Paul ;v( -- Thought for the day: Cleavage (n): something you can approve of and look down on at the same time. -- W. Garnett. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Thu Oct 19 13:15:53 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:15:53 EDT Subject: BOC: Solo efforts Message-ID: Still being relatively new to the list, I'm sure I missed discussion on this. But, has anyone posted reviews of any of the solo works? I usually don't buy solo works of members of ANY band, because they usually suck without the chemistry of the original band (case in point, Yes and The Who), but I would find it interesting to read a review of "Flat Out" or a Brain Surgeons work if someone can re-post something in the future. If its inappropriate for the list, perhaps sending it off the list would be better. -Dr. Bob rkohl at state.de.us From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Oct 19 15:15:37 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:15:37 -0400 Subject: Fwd: can't post to newsgroup anymore Message-ID: Here's some news from Tania, who's unfortunately no longer "authorized" to watch Carl attempting to wend his way from Cambridge to Witherspoon... :-) We'll have to keep her posted... (Are ya reading this, Carl?) :-) !!! --DF --------------------- Forwarded message: From: ruiz at head-cfa.harvard.edu (Tania Ruiz) To: DFrost8547 at aol.com Date: 95-10-18 14:48:18 EDT Some stupid message about not being authorized.... Would you mind posting this for me? Thanks: Hiya hiya all....long time no lurk. This is Tania Ruiz, writing to let you all know there is a www site for the Brain Surgeons. The site has been enhanced for use with Netscape 1.1, so please use it if you have it...thanks! http://www.NovPapyrus.com/bs/ PLEASE, if you've got comments/suggestions/material/help, send me email at tania at NovPapyrus.com . I hope you enjoy it! Tania From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Oct 19 15:22:33 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:22:33 -0400 Subject: Does Anybody Know Eric's Preferences? Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-18 18:34:04 EDT, you write: >Does anyone know what type of system Eric operates with? Particularly need >to know if he uses a word processing package such as Microsoft Word or Word >Perfect? Really need to know. >Thanks > > Eric uses a Gateway 2000 486 DX2/66 w/ 8 megs of RAM...don't know if he has Windows 95 yet... that's all I gotta say 'bout that ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Oct 19 15:22:44 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:22:44 -0400 Subject: 3-pak Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-19 00:58:42 EDT, you write: >Paul writes: > >"As for doubting whether anyone would fork out for such a beast, well, I, >for one, would. speaking of SRV, heard the "new" SRV song, a cover of the Beatles' "Tax Man" off the upcoming posthumous release slated for later this month... ROBO From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 19 16:50:47 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:50:47 -0400 Subject: BOC: Solo efforts Message-ID: Oh, I think it is appropriate to talk about the various BOC solo efforts here. I'll provide a very brief review here. Buck Dharma - "Flat Out" - Released in '82, can be found on CD only as an import (but several of us have it and can tell you where to get it). Very much oriented toward pop music (at least pop music of the early 80's), with lots of love-oriented themes. Buck does all the vocals. It is much lighter fare than anything BOC has served up (including Club Ninja), but some do like it -- it's not really very BOC sounding, and only "Born to Rock" has any blistering guitar work. Recommended for those who like BOC's lighter side, are big fans of Buck's vocals, or are diehard collectors. The Brain Surgeons - "Eponymous" - Released in '94, might be found at your local record store, or by writing directly to the The Brain Surgeons (don't have the address handy at the moment - check the FAQ or send me an e-mail request). A collection of numerous songs, some light, some heavy, some mellow, some witty - catchy lyrics, interesting rhythms, some great drum work, and lots of cool vocals by both Deborah Frost and Albert Bouchard. Sounds more like a solo project than a new band as it was really done by Albert/Deborah with some additional musicians helping out. Recommended for those who liked BOC's heavy and humorous sides, are collectors, or want to know what Al Bouchard has been up to since '81. The Brain Surgeons - "Trepanation" - Released in '95, and probably only available at the moment directly from the band. Hard to call this one a "solo" album, as it is really the product of a fully-established band. While there are a few songs were written in the 70's (and you can hear the 70's influence in them), most of this album is heavy, guitar-laden, and very modern-sounding. The instrumentation is fantastic (and the word "crunch" keeps coming to mind), and the vocals are unbelievable. If you buy yourself one CD this year, "Trepanation" should be it. John From bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM Thu Oct 19 10:08:01 1995 From: bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 06:08:01 -0800 Subject: BOC Club Ninja a Review Message-ID: On Wed 18-Oct-1995 1:10p, Matt Thompson wrote: MT> This is my understanding on who sings what on Imaginos: MT> In The Presence Of Another World -- Eric Wow.. sure didn't sound like Eric to me... Sort of subtle for his usual style. MT> The Siege And Investiture Of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle At MT> Weisseria -- Joey Cerisano This realy suprises me.. sure sounds like Eric here. The rest is about what I'd figured.. except I had no idea that those other guys did any of the main vocal parts. _ || \ *jbrooks at bpalace.com "San Diego's || < *PGP key available Original |_||_/ *Brokedown Palace BBS 619-596-1974/7419 Grateful BBS" From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Thu Oct 19 17:33:32 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:33:32 -0400 Subject: DOMINANCE AND SUBMISSION!! Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Oct 1995 jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG asks: > PS: My understanding is that Albert played guitar and did the vocals on > this track, and Joe B. played the keyboards (based on information > from sources other than the CD) - is this correct? I played the rhythm guitars and Chris Whitley and myself did a double guitar lead in the middle. Joe's on keys and background vocals with me and the plan was for Watt and myself to share the lead vocal duties. I haven't heard the final mix so I'm not sure how it came out. Al From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Fri Oct 20 04:06:28 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 04:06:28 -0400 Subject: BOC: London date Message-ID: Is there something wrong with the server? Yesterday I tried to post the following: > I'm getting confused. > With all the sulking I'm doing about the possibility of missing > BOC in London, I've lost the current date. Is it actually now > December 13. > Sorry about this. > Can someone please confirm? It didn't appear on the group postings that I recieved. Also, this morning I only had 7 messages (usually about 40) and none of these were Hawkwind! Is everything OK? Also could somebody answer my question? Thanks, .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Oct 20 04:34:24 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:34:24 +0100 Subject: BOC: London date In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 20 Oct 1995 04:06:28 EDT." <9510200806.AA30177@phinet.sb.com> Message-ID: > Is there something wrong with the server? > Yesterday I tried to post the following: > > > I'm getting confused. > > With all the sulking I'm doing about the possibility of missing > > BOC in London, I've lost the current date. Is it actually now > > December 13. > > Sorry about this. > > > Can someone please confirm? Dec 13th as far as I know. And your original message was posted. > Also, this morning I only had 7 messages (usually about 40) > and none of these were Hawkwind! Yes its very quiet. Tim From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Fri Oct 20 05:35:12 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:35:12 +0100 Subject: BOC: London date In-Reply-To: <9510200806.AA30177@phinet.sb.com> from "CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY" at Oct 20, 95 04:06:28 am Message-ID: > Is everything OK? > > Also could somebody answer my question? > Thanks, Sure, receiveing you loud and clear. BOC play Forum 13th Dec. Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From moriaud at AMLEMAN.EHQMTS.GEO.MTS.DEC.COM Fri Oct 20 07:51:04 1995 From: moriaud at AMLEMAN.EHQMTS.GEO.MTS.DEC.COM (Moriaud Jean-Charles) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:51:04 +0100 Subject: BOC: London date Message-ID: Hello, I think that my last message didn't go through... I wanted to ask if London will be the only european date, if only they could play "Veteran of psychic wars", if boc-l fans will meet before the concert for a few 'lager' in a pub... I just can't believe that thy are coming. I am waiting for this since the first and last time I saw them in Lausanne, Switzerland in 1983 I think. Cheers, ___________________________________________________________ Jean-Charles Moriaud Digital Equipment Corp. 12, av. des Morgines 1213 Petit-Lancy-Geneva-Switzerland Tel: +41 22 709 49 79 Fax: +41 22 709 41 40 INet: jean-charles.moriaud at geo.mts.dec.com X.400: c=ch; a=arcom; p=digital; o=digital; ou=geo ___________________________________________________________ From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 20 09:14:14 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:14:14 EST Subject: BOC: Solo efforts Message-ID: > > Oh, I think it is appropriate to talk about the various BOC solo efforts > here. I'll provide a very brief review here. > > Buck Dharma - "Flat Out" - Released in '82, can be found on CD only as > an import (but several of us have it and can tell you where to get it). > Very much oriented toward pop music (at least pop music of the early > 80's), with lots of love-oriented themes. Buck does all the vocals. It > is much lighter fare than anything BOC has served up (including Club > Ninja), but some do like it -- it's not really very BOC sounding, and > only "Born to Rock" has any blistering guitar work. Recommended for > those who like BOC's lighter side, are big fans of Buck's vocals, or are > diehard collectors. > > The Brain Surgeons - "Eponymous" - Released in '94, might be found at your > local record store, or by writing directly to the The Brain Surgeons (don't > have the address handy at the moment - check the FAQ or send me an e-mail > request). A collection of numerous songs, some light, some heavy, some > mellow, some witty - catchy lyrics, interesting rhythms, some great > drum work, and lots of cool vocals by both Deborah Frost and Albert > Bouchard. Sounds more like a solo project than a new band as it was > really done by Albert/Deborah with some additional musicians helping out. > Recommended for those who liked BOC's heavy and humorous sides, are > collectors, or want to know what Al Bouchard has been up to since '81. > > The Brain Surgeons - "Trepanation" - Released in '95, and probably only > available at the moment directly from the band. Hard to call this one a > "solo" album, as it is really the product of a fully-established band. > While there are a few songs were written in the 70's (and you can hear > the 70's influence in them), most of this album is heavy, guitar-laden, > and very modern-sounding. The instrumentation is fantastic (and the > word "crunch" keeps coming to mind), and the vocals are unbelievable. > If you buy yourself one CD this year, "Trepanation" should be it. > > John John, Like your reviews very much. Quite astute, though I'd quibble with your assertion that only 'Born to Rock' features any blistering gtr work. 'Anwar's Theme' (or is it Anwar's Song?) features some real shredding, though not as cranked up as BOC material. Anyway, thanks again for the capsule reviews. How do I go about ordering 'Trepanation' directly from the band? Sounds amazing... From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 20 09:19:12 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:19:12 EST Subject: BOC: London date Message-ID: > > > > Can someone please confirm? > > It didn't appear on the group postings that I recieved. > > Also, this morning I only had 7 messages (usually about 40) > and none of these were Hawkwind! > > Is everything OK? > > Also could somebody answer my question? > Thanks, > > .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com Chas., Where did you get your list of BOC gigs? If you've got it in your files, could you forward it to me? I haven't seen the band in a couple of years, and I'm willing to travel to do so. They never play up here in the wasteland anymore... thanks, theo From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Fri Oct 20 09:05:53 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 14:05:53 +0100 Subject: BOC: London date In-Reply-To: <2729401120101995/A46144/DENGES> from "Moriaud Jean-Charles" at Oct 20, 95 12:51:04 pm Message-ID: > > Hello, > > I think that my last message didn't go through... I wanted to ask if London > will > be the only european date, if only they could play "Veteran of psychic wars", > if boc-l fans will meet before the concert for a few 'lager' in a pub... Ahem. We'll have none of that lager shite around here :-) It's a pint of Caffrey's at the Irish pub next door to the Forum Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Fri Oct 20 09:04:04 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:04:04 -0400 Subject: BOC: London dates Message-ID: >Chas., >Where did you get your list of BOC gigs? If you've got it in your >files, could you forward it to me? I haven't seen the band in a >couple of years, and I'm willing to travel to do so. They never play >up here in the wasteland anymore... >thanks, >theo As far as I can find out, the BOC European dates are: Dec 13: London 14; Paris 15: Athens 16: Athens .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 20 10:10:53 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:10:53 -0400 Subject: BOC: Solo efforts Message-ID: Ted writes: Like your reviews very much. Quite astute, though I'd quibble with your assertion that only 'Born to Rock' features any blistering gtr work. 'Anwar's Theme' (or is it Anwar's Song?) features some real shredding, though not as cranked up as BOC material. Anyway, thanks again for the capsule reviews. How do I go about ordering 'Trepanation' directly from the band? Sounds amazing... I maybe shouldn't have indicated "Born to Rock" as being the only song with good guitar work - I really meant that only "Born to Rock" has a real BOC edge to it and sounds like Buck's guitarwork in BOC. There is good guitarwork in other songs as well - the guitar solo in "Your Loving Heart", for example, is very great and really evokes alot of the emotions of the song for me. As far as ordering *Trepanation* or *Eponymous*, here's some news you can use: Send a check (or preferably) money order, payable to Albert Bouchard for $11. plus $3.00 handling ($14. total) to: Cellsum Records PO Box 1070 Fort George Station New York, NY 10040-9998 Overseas fans, please include International Money Order (American Dollars) and add'l air mail postage of $2. per item. My personal recommendation again is to buy *Trepanation* first, as it is most representative of The Brain Surgeons as a _band_, and is in general a heavier-sounding album, with more emphasis on the guitars. *Eponymous* is also excellent, but is more like a solo effort (or really, a duo effort from Albert and Deborah), and is perhaps a little "less focussed" in that I feel it perhaps traverses more musical styles than does *Trepanation*. Either way, both of them get lots of playing time in my CD player these days . . . John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 20 10:14:16 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:14:16 -0400 Subject: Women Rock Critics Message-ID: Saw this on the "Addicted to Noise" Web page, and thought it might be of interest to some folks out there. One of the contributors to this book is none other than Deborah Frost - lead singer for the Brain Surgeons. Female Rock Critics (Finally) Get Their Due! ATN Editor Michael Goldberg writes: Name of the book is Rock She Wrote, which pretty much nails it, since the book is a collection of often brilliant writing by women who also happen to be some of the best critics and journalists in the business of writing about music (female ormale). Patti Smith on Bob Dylan and his Planet Waves album; Gerri Hirshey on James Brown; Sue Cummings on rave; Leslie Berman on the blues; Deborah Frost on Motley Crue; Kim Gordon on Sonic Youth. And then there is Addicted To Noise's own "Music News of the World" editor Jaan Uhelszki on performing with Kiss. That's right. Back in the early days of rock (well, the '70s anyway), a very young Uhelszki worked for Creem magazine. Daring to go where no male rock writers had gone, Uhelszki was made up to look like a member of Kiss, and actually joined them on-stage. The entire saga, originally printed in Creem, is reprinted in Rock She Wrote. Edited by ATN sometime contributor Evelyn McDonnell and Village Voice music editor Ann Powers, this is an IMPORTANT book that proves once and for all that female rock critics deserve to sit side by side with the likes of such great male rock writers as Dave Marsh and Greil Marcus (who both, I am sure, applaud the publication of this book). From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Fri Oct 20 10:49:23 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:49:23 -0400 Subject: BOC: London date Message-ID: > > > BOC in London, I've lost the current date. Is it actually now > > > December 13. > Dec 13th as far as I know. And your original message was posted. > Tim Well, I don't want to get too excited too soon but - YYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. It looks like I will be going to the Forum on Dec 13th. I'll have only been waiting 6 yrs, 8 months, 28 days to see them again. I can stop sulking for now and look out for where people are meeting before hand etc. It'll be great to actually meet some fellow boc-lers. Did someone (Jason?) say it was their birthday? Looking more like it Grinning again, .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Oct 20 06:55:51 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 21:55:51 +1100 Subject: For Adrian - Bloom's preferences Message-ID: On 19 Oct 95 John A Swartz wrote about For Adrian - Bloom's preferences: > Sorry about sending this to the list, but when I tried private e-mail, > it bounced. Me too! > editor, he ought to be able to read it. True, it might not have any > nice formatting you've done (bold, underlining, fonts, tabs, etc), but > at least the words will be there. You could hope that he at least has access to Windows, and send it in 'Write' format, which is on every Windows PC. Paul -- Thought for the day: Dictatorship (n): a form of government under which everything which is not prohibited is compulsory. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Oct 20 07:28:11 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 22:28:11 +1100 Subject: HW: Review - Chronicles of the Black Sword Message-ID: On 19 Oct 95 Rudich, Robert A wrote about HW: Review - Chronicles of the Bla: > Since I like this album a lot and it gives me a chance to rant about my > favorite song, I wanted to pre-empt Paul. (I really enjoy your reviews, > Sound Killer, but you're setting the bar too high. Thought I'd lower the > standard.). Take it with a grain of salt (for entertainment purposes only). My standard isn't that high! Maybe I'm modest, but I cringe every time I send a new one to the list (except Yuri ... I was smiling then!) I'll add your review (and any other's .... come on all you 'review lurkers') to my WWW pages. > Needle Gun starts off the 2nd side of the LP with stinging guitars and the > Nasty guitar for heavy metal kids. Turn it up full blast! When I first got this LP, I thought it was the best thing they ever did. I still like it, but it is WAY too 'commercial' I think. > Sleep of a Thousand Tears is a tortured dream in full stereo sound. An Ozzy > quality to the vocals on this one. > > Chaos Army is a brief burst of the sounds of hell as it breaks lose. > > Horn of Destiny is a climactic song with several musical themes (what's > new). This song has a lot to like in it with every instrument having its > moment. These three make the album! > For a non fan, this album is very approachable. There is nothing extreme > that only die hards and Dave's mother would like. Absolutely! Paul (kills WITH sound!) -- Thought for the day: Intuition (n): an uncanny sixth sense which tells people that they are right, whether they are or not. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET Fri Oct 20 16:10:35 1995 From: SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET (Sebastian Welton) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:10:35 EWT Subject: HW: Review - Chronicles of the Black Sword Message-ID: > >I'll add your review (and any other's .... come on all you 'review >lurkers') to my WWW pages. > Alright, and this is for everyone seeing them at Brixton soon... Hawkwind London Brixton Academy (NME 28 August 1993, Johnny Cigarette) ------------------------------------------------------------- "You lucky bastards! You spawny, grizzled, coffin-dodging, brain- frazzled old gits!" This is undoubtedly what God is thinking as he cringingly watches this grim spectacle through his fingers. Hawkwind filling Brixton Academy in 1993! Hilfe! Hilfe! It would seem that people once more believe that singing about space bandits and making swirly mystic hand movements says more to them than just, "I was that tosser with jam-jar glasses reading 'Forests Of Gor' at the side of you class at school - help me, please." Drugs. Drugs. Drugs. Drugs. Drugs. The word kind of loses its significance the more you think about it, and at an event like this, where you're stoned, tripping, speeding and having your constipation suddenly cured within ten minutes of breathing the air, you can almost forget. But anyone with a tentative grasp of sobriety will soon realise what wonders chemicals have done for Hawkwind. You see, they are, essentially, Bryan Adams on 25 years of really bad acid. This means they play lots of three chord pub rock chunders which fizzle out after two minutes, replaced by lots of spacecake keyboard FX sounds going 'ktikkaktikkaktikkaktikkaktikkaktikka' for another nine minutes. It means that instead of the songs being about feelin' alright on a Saturday night they're all about flying to Saturn in a VW van. It means the backdrop features a huge child's drawing of a futuristic city from a Daily Star 'What Your Town Will Look Like In The Year 2000' feature. It means that lead singer Dave Brock doesn't look a day over 134. But you can't deny they've tried to update their act. The slightly fumbling fire-eaters you see at every festival on earth cavort across the stage during the more inexcusably tedious moments. They even play a couple of revamped techno-ised numbers at the end of the set; the same bollocks as before with an inappropriate 'Hooked On Classics' thumping beat behind them. Somehow, though, a nagging, moral voice pierces the boredom saying "Bloody hippies - string 'em up." Cheers Seb S.J.Welton MVS & VM Operations and Automation Analyst ECNOD/CS/MGCS European Space Operations Centre (ESA), 64293 Darmstadt, Deutschland SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET | DE27PSNP at IBMMAIL | Telephone ++49 6151 902570 C=DE;A=DBP;O=ESOC;S=WELTON;G=SEBASTIAN site=ESOC username=SWELTON From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 20 10:06:14 1995 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 14:06:14 GMT Subject: HW: USSMR Message-ID: Does anybody know anything at all about the Utah Saints Silver Machine Remix. From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Fri Oct 20 11:30:40 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:30:40 +0100 Subject: BOC: London date In-Reply-To: <9510201449.AA12078@phinet.sb.com> from "CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY" at Oct 20, 95 10:49:23 am Message-ID: > I can stop sulking for now and look out for where people are > meeting before hand etc. It'll be great to actually meet some > fellow boc-lers. Did someone (Jason?) say it was their > birthday? Yup, I'll be looking forward to that pint. Cheers! Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Oct 20 11:40:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:40:00 EDT Subject: HW: Arrested Development Message-ID: >> Needle Gun starts off the 2nd side of the LP with stinging guitars and the >> Nasty guitar for heavy metal kids. Turn it up full blast! >When I first got this LP, I thought it was the best thing they ever >did. I still like it, but it is WAY too 'commercial' I think. Guess something stunted me in my growth. :-) >> Sleep of a Thousand Tears is a tortured dream in full stereo sound. An Ozzy >> quality to the vocals on this one. >> >> Chaos Army is a brief burst of the sounds of hell as it breaks lose. >> >> Horn of Destiny is a climactic song with several musical themes (what's >> new). This song has a lot to like in it with every instrument having its >> moment. >These three make the album! I wish I said that. Damn, you are good! Budy From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Fri Oct 20 11:43:03 1995 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:43:03 EDT Subject: HW: Alien out of sight ? Message-ID: Greetings Hawkfans ! It seems like "Alien" is delayed once again and will be out Oct 30th, according to MLM in Stoke-on-Trent. The question I want to ask is; Which year ? I'm I getting a little bit tired of this ? See you Henrik From Prozaxs at AOL.COM Fri Oct 20 11:52:16 1995 From: Prozaxs at AOL.COM (Ken Long) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:52:16 -0400 Subject: BOC: Solo efforts Message-ID: I like the circular saw sound in the middle of "born to rock" in "flat out"; it makes me laugh. I think the lyrics are funny and I like the guitar, both lead and bass.. I can't help but think of that song whenever I cut a sheet of plywood. Hmm... and this album came out way before "Home Improvements" hit the tube. I'd have to agree with the previous review. It is mostly a pop rock album from the early 80s. I remember reading an interview with Buck in, I believe the magazine was "Guitar for the practicing musician". Buck made the comment his original material was/is more Pop than the BOC HM sound. Ken From thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM Fri Oct 20 15:03:00 1995 From: thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM (Matt Thompson) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 15:03:00 E Subject: BOC: Solo efforts Message-ID: >It is mostly a pop rock album from the early 80s. I remember reading an >interview with Buck in, I believe the magazine was "Guitar for the practicing >musician". Buck made the comment his original material was/is more Pop >than the BOC HM sound. The review in People magazine said that "Buck Dharma relies heavily on material written by producer Donald Roeser" which Buck found to be hilarious. Matt Thompson thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com From siyer at NRC-IRIS.NRC.UAB.EDU Fri Oct 20 08:55:46 1995 From: siyer at NRC-IRIS.NRC.UAB.EDU (Arioch) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 14:55:46 +0200 Subject: HW: Review - Chronicles of the Black Sword Message-ID: >> Needle Gun starts off the 2nd side of the LP with stinging guitars and the > >> Nasty guitar for heavy metal kids. Turn it up full blast! > >When I first got this LP, I thought it was the best thing they ever >did. I still like it, but it is WAY too 'commercial' I think. well, it would be deemed commercial if you heard it played on top 40 radio all the time, and i can say definitively that i have never heard it being played on any top 40 or album oriented rock or hard rock station (btw, i'm from new york city where we have a bunch of these types of stations). of course, i dont know if you guys have heard it being played on any station. however, the only radio station that i've heard where hawkwind was played was my college radio station where it was played on my show. btw, good review...;) Lord Volgular Skullsplitter I siyer at nrc-iris.nrc.uab.edu "...I, while the gods laugh, the world's vortex am; Maelstrom of passions in that hidden sea Whose waves of all time lap the coasts of me, And in small compass the dark waters cram..." From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Oct 20 18:45:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 15:45:00 PDT Subject: Tonight at Jaxx!! Message-ID: Well folks the day is finally here that I get to see my favorite band from about 18 inches away. Heading to Jaxx early to catch Agents of Fortune w/Miles KB on guitar (MKB is author of Cyberbaron on the net where you can get all that wonderful BOC tour info). I understand Craig Shipley's wife used to play with the second band of the night so I'll play close attention to them and let you know how they did Craig. The third band is called Slow Acid factor and they are supposed to be pretty good. Some closing notes: Robo - hope you are coming down to the show, would be good to meet you. We talked off line before so you know how to find me. In addition since they say "I Want to See You In Black" I'll be wearing black from top to bottom. Besides somebody has to post a review on tonites gig and I may be too busy enjoying myself. Torgo - I got all 11 parts my man on a 3.5 and ready to go. Included your e-mail address so Eyes and the Boys know who to thank. I'll tell him to read all the stuff we talked about on the flight across the great pond. About the trade, if I pull this off which one are we going to exchange OYFOOYK or ST? Ken - Don't think we ever met but hope to meet you tonight. See ROBO above to be able to recognize me. Dr. Bob in Delaware - Will be sure to ask for a XXX for ya. The minute I get inside I'll be looking for a band reprsentative to see if its possible. Wish me luck. Good Weekend everybody! Ciao A(air guitaring all the way there)B From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Oct 20 17:27:34 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 15:27:34 -0600 Subject: BOC: London date In-Reply-To: <9510200806.AA30177@phinet.sb.com> Message-ID: Charlie..... Got a message a few days age from Melne at the BOC fan club and these are the confirmed dates for Europe; 12/13 London, UK 12/14 Paris, FRA 12/15+16 Athens, GR Hope you enjoy the gigs if you go........Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Oct 20 19:30:46 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:30:46 -0400 Subject: HW: Alien out of sight ? In-Reply-To: <951020154302_100522.44_JHB71-1@CompuServe.COM> Message-ID: Henrik Hallgren wrote: > It seems like "Alien" is delayed once again and will be out > Oct 30th, according to MLM in Stoke-on-Trent. > The question I want to ask is; Which year ? > I'm I getting a little bit tired of this ? This is yet another example of BOC/Hawkwind cross-pollination produced by this list; BOC album release strategies are now starting to rub off on Hawkwind! ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _The Grand Wazoo_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Oct 21 02:47:43 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 02:47:43 -0400 Subject: BOC: Solo efforts Message-ID: Craig, Oh, about the team mascots, have you heard yet that native Americans Indians plan to protest the games, starting tomorrow?? Yeah, they're real pissed about both team's mascots and the way they present this image. Me, I dunno. I always think most teams' names, mascots, emblems, gimmicks, etc, are real stupid and they never know what they're dealing with and there are these real lame stereotypes, and presenting the mascot with a hatchet and stuff...but then again, this protesting stuff kinda irks me, too! I really wanna enjoy just the GAME, and fuck all this other stupid shit! And why didn't these protestors show up at games during the regulat season?? And what good will it do other than probably humiliating these protestors? I'm not particularly "proud" to be an American, and I've always hated the fact that the colonizers drove the Indians out, slaughtered them (who's the savage? Modern man)...but...uh...well, let's not make things worse here. It seems like there's always a big fucking todo these days about everything, everywhere! I'm sick of it. It's an old tradition, these team mascots/uniforms, etc, most people don't still think of Indians as whatever these images try to protray, blah, blah, blah... Isn't there still stuff like Redman chewing tobacco and all that? But I don't know. It's really hard for me to speak from my own perspective. I don't know what it's like to be an Indian. Oh, I see. You revel more in the loss of a rival than a win of the team of who you root for. That's quite interesting! I've never been that way. I often sorta get to like other teams to some degree. Okay, sometimes there are teams who seem to be made predominantly of assholes, but usually I just get to feel close to other teams that I see play a lot. And then there's lost of teams around with old players from teams such as the Braves, or the Dodgers, or just players I remember from way back, that helps me to relate to them a little more... Well, whatever, as long as you enjoy it. I saw that the Suns were beat by the Nets today. Wow, the Nets are 4-0! I don't remember them being a team to reckon with in a while, maybe they're on to something. I just witnessed the Lakers beat the Wolves, that was a good game. Your buddy Ceballos scored 32 points and is the NBA's leading scorer in the pre-season! Cool... I'll bet the Suns could use a guy like him! (G) A little retaliation there... Chuck From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Oct 21 06:43:57 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 11:43:57 +0100 Subject: HW: Alien out of sight ? In-Reply-To: <951020154302_100522.44_JHB71-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Henrik Hallgren" at Oct 20, 95 11:43:03 am Message-ID: > It seems like "Alien" is delayed once again and will be out > Oct 30th, according to MLM in Stoke-on-Trent. > The question I want to ask is; Which year ? > I'm I getting a little bit tired of this ? Perhaps Doug Smith has been taking lessons from BOC? :/ Carl ps-he'd better not be! he's enough trouble on his own ... From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Fri Oct 20 10:09:12 1995 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 14:09:12 GMT Subject: Other: Way off Topic Message-ID: Apologies for being off topic thought some of you might be interested in this. According to yesterdays Guardian The Brazilian Universal Church of the Kingdom of God who recently tried (and failed) to buy the Brixton Academy have bought the Rainbow Theatre for 2.5 million pounds. They must have a thing about rock venues. From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Sat Oct 21 05:48:19 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 05:48:19 -0400 Subject: BOC reference to "Deadline" Message-ID: On Aug 1995 John wrote: > >I have the following entry in the FAQ: > >bit missed out< > >Hmm...sounds like these two items go together, but Al, can you verify? > >Was Phil King murdered (by the mafia, or someone else), and why? This > >sounds like a real interesting story (or just rumors blown way out of > >proportion). and the CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY added: > I remember that article, it was about rock deaths. If I remember > correctly through the rust and cobwebs, I think the article said that > he was shot during a gambling argument. Wether this was over unpaid > debts or an argument over cheating, I don't think it said. > The guy who killed Phil King was a 67 year old hit man for the mob. I think he was Polish, not Italian. It was not a mob hit. Phil was leaning on this guy to pay up some gambling debt at a dinner on Long Island and he said, "OK, The money's out in my car. Come on outside and I'll pay you back in full". and he did...:-( Al From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sat Oct 21 14:48:45 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 14:48:45 -0400 Subject: BOC: Solo efforts Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-20 10:16:44 EDT, you write: >I maybe shouldn't have indicated "Born to Rock" as being the only song >with good guitar work - I really meant that only "Born to Rock" has >a real BOC edge to it and sounds like Buck's guitarwork in BOC. There >is good guitarwork in other songs as well - the guitar solo in "Your >Loving Heart", for example, is very great and really evokes alot of the >emotions of the song for me. I also like 535, or is it 5:35 [ haven't hoid the album in a longtime...] Your Loving Heart is ok until you hit the middle of the song when they do the "Shemp 'em, shemp 'em, shemp 'em...we have a donut..." everytime I here that I just shake me head and utter "Buck, what in the world?"...the music is kewl, just leave out the vocals and throw a solo in place of it... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sat Oct 21 14:49:12 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 14:49:12 -0400 Subject: For Adrian - Bloom's preferences Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-20 11:09:19 EDT, you write: >On 19 Oct 95 John A Swartz wrote about For Adrian - Bloom's >preferences: > >> Sorry about sending this to the list, but when I tried private e-mail, >> it bounced. > >Me too! > > Yeah! mine bounced too...so Adrian, I was tryin' to tell ya that I wasn't gonna make it to the Jaxx gig...but you already know that...I hope to hear how it went...would've been real kewl to have Buck, Fartknocker and Allen jammin out ME 262 w/ the AOF boys... ROBO From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Sat Oct 21 18:09:26 1995 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 17:09:26 -0500 Subject: BOC: Solo efforts In-Reply-To: <951021144844_129472531@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "Rob Maerz" at Oct 21, 95 02:48:45 pm Message-ID: > the "Shemp 'em, shemp 'em, shemp 'em...we have a donut..." everytime I here ----> "Prep him, prep him, prep him .....we have a donor..." (ie. a heart donor) ...Or were you just being funny? -Bryan OBother amusing misheard lyrics involving donuts: Beatles' "Lady Madonna" was misheard as "Knee Deep in Doughnuts"... (by a friend of a friend). From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat Oct 21 19:50:43 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 19:50:43 -0400 Subject: Other: Way off Topic Message-ID: Oh, wait'll they hear that the Fillmore is available for a song... From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat Oct 21 19:51:01 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 19:51:01 -0400 Subject: BOC: Tour-Spiel Message-ID: According to Watt, the Minutemen's studio version of "Tour Spiel" is " on the "project mersh" ep on sst records (also the "post-mersh" vol. 2 cd collection)." So check it out! --DF From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sun Oct 22 00:04:47 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 23:04:47 -0500 Subject: [HW] update on cover project In-Reply-To: <9510161702.ZM14469@zarf.z-code.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Oct 1995, Gary Wingert wrote: > iscladoc> > >Just how many list members want a set? > iscladoc> > iscladoc> From: Gary Wingert > > Confirmed! Did I miss the total price and U.S. address > to send the money to? Moneys will be sent to Dave Berry and I, at these addresses: From: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. 2327 Murphy Dr. #10 Lawrence KS 66046-3959 USA From: Dave Berry My address is: 48 Lodgefield, Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire, AL7 1SD, UK. We have not determined final costs yet, as we don't have a definite, final list of people seeking sets. So, this week will be the last chance to sign up for copies, made and mailed at cost. After that it's too late :-) > I think that might've been me, using Labels Unlimited - I > did the jewel box liners for Hawkwind Live '79 and they > came out perfect.. > > What are you looking for in the way of the J-shell inserts? Just something that looks spiffy, has a tracklist, etc. It doesn't need to be hideously fancy... Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sun Oct 22 00:07:40 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 23:07:40 -0500 Subject: [HW] update on cover project In-Reply-To: <9510171008.ZM11444@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Oct 1995, Frank Weil wrote: > > iscladoc> Also, Frank Weil and Allen Ruch (and somenone else) had > > iscladoc> volunteered to make tape inserts, so if they could > > > > I think that might've been me, using Labels Unlimited - I > > did the jewel box liners for Hawkwind Live '79 and they > > came out perfect.. > > > > What are you looking for in the way of the J-shell inserts? > > I did volunteer and I would be happy to make up inserts, but I'm not > sure the tools I have can do as nice a job as a program made for doing > them. >From what you say, and what Gary said above, it seems like it'd be easier for him to make them. At this point, I don't really care who makes them, just so that we get something to go with the tapes ;-) > maybe I could be more productive by doing something like making all > the copies of the inserts (I assume that standard paper would be OK) > and sending them to Allan or whoever. That sounds great Frank! Thanks to you and Gary! Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sun Oct 22 00:09:56 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 23:09:56 -0500 Subject: [HW] update on cover project In-Reply-To: <01HWKIZJ002S9FMZ8H@delphi.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Oct 1995 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > I had agreed to contribute my Sore Throat - "Silver Kerching", > but never heard back about it. Is this still wanted? I warned > that the quality wasn't too good, but Allan (I think) said that > was okay. Chuck, at this point I think I'd like to just get this thing over and done with. :-) Your contribution would be welcome, though, so if you could drop a copy in the mail to Dave Berry and I at: Please send one copy of your contribution(s) to both Dave and I at these addresses, that would be great: From: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. 2327 Murphy Dr. #10 Lawrence KS 66046-3959 USA From: Dave Berry My address is: 48 Lodgefield, Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire, AL7 1SD, UK. Any other last minute additions? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Sun Oct 22 00:15:50 1995 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 21:15:50 -0700 Subject: [HW] update on cover project In-Reply-To: from "Allan T Grohe Jr" at Oct 21, 95 11:09:56 pm Message-ID: > Any other last minute additions? I can't copy it because of tape deck trouble (be carefule when moving...) but I can send you my Alien Sex Fiend CD with Silver Machine on it. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome "There is an old proverb that says whatever you want it to say" - whoever... From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sun Oct 22 00:27:34 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 23:27:34 -0500 Subject: [HW] update on cover project In-Reply-To: <9510191258.A11237@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, cjohnson wrote: > I am curious to know the state of the j-shell covers part of the HW > Cover Tape project. I have quite a bit of equipment available for > my use in this area, with the only real limiting factor being my > own time. I would like to volunteer some part of my time and > equipment to producing the j-shell covers. Cool. Please get in touch with Gary Wingert (I think that was Gary's last name) on the list, to finalize designs, etc. [maybe incorporating some of the images from the NetHawks Ts????]. Dave Berry is working on a final tracklist. Frank Weil offered to make copies of the final design. > I have access to 24-bit color scanner, Tektronix Color Paper > Proofer (!!!), and several decent 600-dpi monochrome printers. Muhahahahhaahhahahaahaha! Sounds like we'll be in good shape :-) > In addition, I have and use copies of Photoshop, Pagemaker, Quark > Express, and have full access to almost every other off-the-shelf > page layout program (Multi Ad Creator, Freehand, Illustrator, > Corel). I have used this software together with the Color Proofer > to make tape and CD labels before with great success. > > The expense of printing the color labels is quite cheap (compared > to what it USED to cost); I should be able to crank out about 20+ > sheets, each containing two tape labels, pretty easily without > upsetting my employer. That should get us 40 or so tape labels. Each set will be 3 tapes, and we have at least 35 or so requests (including some contributors), call it 40 sets at present, so that's 120 labels. I think it's probably better to take up Frank on his copying offer rather than risk offending your employer :-) > My only real limiting factor is my own artistic ability (which is > *QUITE* limited). I am a programmer; my job is to support all the > different items I mentioned above. I am *NOT* an artist, per se, > but I CAN make nice things out of graphics that others create... OK. Do people like the idea of using some of the NetHawks images? Would their original creators mind? > Anyways, feel free to let me know if you already have all this > covered, or whether I can contribute anything. Thanks again, everyone, for your contributions, interest, and help! Get any final requests in this week, please, and contact Dave or I about any last-minute additions to the set. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sun Oct 22 00:34:16 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 23:34:16 -0500 Subject: [HW] update on cover project In-Reply-To: <199510220415.VAA27475@desiree.teleport.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, Kevin Haskel Rubin wrote: > > Any other last minute additions? > > I can't copy it because of tape deck trouble (be carefule when moving...) > but I can send you my Alien Sex Fiend CD with Silver Machine on it. I think Allen Ruch said he had a copy of this as well, so maybe he could drop Dave and I the copies? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Sun Oct 22 10:14:59 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 10:14:59 EDT Subject: Attn: Torgo/Medley Thoughts Message-ID: Hey Torgo, I'm having trouble responding to your message. I'll keep trying. In the meantime, could you give me your e-mail address again to make sure I've got it right? For some reason, I have two different addresses for you and neither are working as of today (Sunday 10/22/95). Now my $.02 on medleys since it was brought up a few days ago.... Personally, I think medleys are just a tease. Many is the time that I've gotten my hopes up at the beginning notes of a song only to have them dashed to bits on the rocks below. Just a waste of time, IMO. -Dr. Bob rkohl at state.de.us From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Sun Oct 22 10:23:04 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 10:23:04 EDT Subject: Member update please? Message-ID: I know that someone was doing a survey of list members. Is it possible to get an update posted to the list? Perhaps a breakdown of members by state and country? Also interested to know the ratio of males/females on the list. Thanks for all the work you are doing, whoever you are. -Dr. Bob rkohl at state.de.us From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sun Oct 22 12:16:18 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 12:16:18 -0400 Subject: Lemmy In "Uncut" Message-ID: went to the local video store last night where they were having a going-out-of-business sale...5 vids for $10, so I checked it out... one of the vids I picked up was John Bobbitt - Uncut...in a reenactment of Lorena driving down the road with the penis in her hand, she throws the penis out the window and lands along the roadside at this man's feet...the camera pans up and it is Lemmy! who says "wha' in bloo'y 'ell is that? looks like a dick! oh well, it ain't mine..." and then he walks away...also there are a few songs by Motorhead in this flick... I've seen Lemmy in acting roles before, does anyone know if he ever appeared in an American TV series, like Miami Vice (who had Ted Nugent and Phil Collins)? I think Lemmy could be pretty good at playin a bad guy... now, about John Wayne "Mr Softee" Bobbitt...poor guy...I think a cap-gun packs more than what this guy has in his pistol! ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sun Oct 22 12:16:26 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 12:16:26 -0400 Subject: BOC: Tour-Spiel Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-21 19:55:43 EDT, you write: >According to Watt, the Minutemen's studio version of "Tour Spiel" is " on the >"project mersh" ep on sst records (also the "post-mersh" vol. 2 cd >collection)." > >So check it out! >--DF is that the one that says " I dreamt I was Eric Bloom and woke up as Joe Bouchard"? ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sun Oct 22 12:45:08 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 12:45:08 -0400 Subject: Blind Melon singer dead Message-ID: another dead rock star... they found him dead early Sat morning...Melon was currently on tour with a show in New Orleans comin' up... ROBO From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Oct 22 13:42:35 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 18:42:35 +0100 Subject: [HW] update on cover project Message-ID: >OK. Do people like the idea of using some of the NetHawks images? Would >their original creators mind? The same picture on all three tapes? It's OK for me. Which was the name we decided? \\joe hawkjoe at eka.ericsson.se '...maa dina fienders skaegg vaexa inaat' From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sun Oct 22 13:55:53 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 17:55:53 +0000 Subject: HW: London review Message-ID: Well, I was a bit disappointed, to be honest. The set contained some good moments (The Golden Void is still one of the best rock tracks ever recorded), but there was too much time where I was waiting for something to happen. Maybe if they'd had a better light show instead of the rather naff amateur theatricals, or even if the mix had been better, I might have enjoyed it more. After all I'd read here about Ron, I was expecting someone more manic. Except for when he was dressed as the alien, he didn't have a very striking stage presence, though his make up was fun and his singing was OK. The rest of the band was at the back of the stage, under a sort of canopy, leaving space for the dancers. Various flashing lights were projected onto this canopy. I really missed the projected images on a reasonably-sized screen that they had on the last tour. Instead, the visuals relied too much on the dancers and the fire-eaters, who were OK, but not good enough for the length of time that they were on. I got tired of the Alien theme, and the "robot" was just silly. Musically, the set began well with Death Trap, Wastelands and Are You Losing Your Mind. Then the interminable synth bits started. Inbetween these, Sputnik Stan was good, as was the instrumental in the middle of it. Blue Skin seemed OK. I'm not sure which bit was Alien, but I think it was a fairly rocky bit that was quite good. Robot was a bit nondescript, which was a shame because I really like the PXR5 version. Lord Of Light, Silver Machine and the customary Assassins Of Allah/Space Is Their were all good. Even in the rocky bits, there were times when I felt the beat was getting a bit samey; they didn't seem to do much of the rhythmic variations of Out Of The Shadows or Mask Of Morning. But the bass-heavy mix might have had something to do with that. Overall, I felt it wasn't a patch on the 1993 tour (or the 1993 Brixton gig). Maybe it would have helped if I'd heard the new album beforehand. Maybe a better mix would have helped. But even then, I think I would have found the visuals rather pathetic. If this is what the Live Chronicles tour was like, I can see why Andy didn't like it. Just give me the projected images and the seven coloured strobes... About 2/3rds of the way through I moved back a bit so that I could see the whole stage. This was a better view, but I never did find the rest of the list members after that... whoops. It was good meeting you all beforehand! Of the support bands, Porcupine Tree were pleasant -- I'll recommend them to some Floyd fans I know. RDF were very good -- I love dancing to reggae, and did (or at least twitched about in time to the music). Back To The Planet played, and as usual I can't remember what they sound like. Utah Saints laid down an impressive groove -- I was surprised to find that they weren't just synth players, but have real drums and bass. They got a bit wearing after a while though. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Oct 22 15:12:26 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:12:26 +0000 Subject: HW: London review In-Reply-To: <22574.9510221755@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Oct 22, 95 05:55:53 pm Message-ID: Well, it was good to meet that sizable percentage of active listmembers who turned up at Brixton! I'd like to thank all for their hospitality, since all were most hospitable--and especially Andy for donating the space for a bit of kip, etc.! :) > Well, I was a bit disappointed, to be honest. The set contained some good > moments (The Golden Void is still one of the best rock tracks ever recorded), > but there was too much time where I was waiting for something to happen. > Maybe if they'd had a better light show instead of the rather naff amateur > theatricals, or even if the mix had been better, I might have enjoyed it > more. Over all I felt the show was _solid_ Hawkwind. It wasn't bad (which it can be) but wasn't particularly brilliant either, though it had some good moments. The main thing was there was a huge expanse of emtpy stage which often had little more than Ron to fill it, and otherwise only the rather silly dancers and fire-eaters. Alan was a bit more visible than on the US spring tour, but Dave was lurking back behind a wall of gear as badly as ever. Not to put too fine a point on it, but enough of whatever bizarre pretensions or personality quirks have led to this! Get them--primarily Dave--out of the backstage area and up where the audience can see them. Fire-eaters and lights do not make a substitute for the artists stage presence, and I think this show would have been more fun if one got the "psych" value of having Brock & Co. rocking out in front of your nose, rather than lurking away somewhere, Oz-like .... > After all I'd read here about Ron, I was expecting someone more manic. > Except for when he was dressed as the alien, he didn't have a very > striking stage presence, though his make up was fun and his singing was > OK. Ron was considerably more manic on the US tour! I still like Ron as a frontman--I'd be happy if they got a real synth player and nailed Brock to the stage somewhere visible. > I got tired of the Alien theme, > and the "robot" was just silly. I thought the robot was good fun. Mind you--it would have been _more_ fun if it had blown up dramatically or summat :) > Sputnik > Stan was good, as was the instrumental in the middle of it. Sputnik Stan was cool, and there was an _excellent_ bass solo from Alan in the middle. One of the coolest parts of the show, I thought. > I'm not sure which bit was Alien, but I think it was a fairly rocky bit > that was quite good. I thought the Alien last night was not quite up to the standards of one of the ones I saw on the US tour. Come to think of it, New Haven was probably a better show except that this was much longer. 'Course, New Haven was also a much smaller venue, and even Dave couldn't avoid being seen by the audience on occasion then! ;) > Robot was a bit nondescript, which was a shame because > I really like the PXR5 version. Lord Of Light, Silver Machine and the > customary Assassins Of Allah/Space Is Their were all good. I actually, enjoyed Robot a good bit, and was very pleased by Lord of Light (but I would have been pleased by Lord of Light even if it was crap--which, as it happened, it wasn't!). > Even in the rocky > bits, there were times when I felt the beat was getting a bit samey; they > didn't seem to do much of the rhythmic variations of Out Of The Shadows or > Mask Of Morning. But the bass-heavy mix might have had something to do with > that. I think it's all this fucking around with ambient/techno shit they've been doing. I mean, Hawkwind is not a band that as ever liked shifting chords much ;) let alone time signatures, but the need more "light and shade". Right now they get their variation by playing a "song" and then having an ambientish "linking instro", which doesn't really cut it. There seems to have been much more variation the '89 tour, at least, and much less ambient-techno meandering. I mean, I don't mind a bit of that on an album, but it is _boring_as_fuckall_ live. If "live" is even a word that can be used in this context. Ah well, rant mode off. No, really, it was a good show, it just didn't change my life, that's all. And one really has to complain about the perennial Hawkwind annoyances ("Has anyone seen Dave? Is anyone actually playing an instrument during this bit?"). Just like one _has_ to complain that the BOC set was predictable and that there's no new album. And it was very cool to see Hawkwind in the UK, so I'll definately be headed for the next tour as well. Who knows, Brock might stand somewhere where you can see him--he seemed quite animated at times, but only Richard will really ever know ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Oct 22 15:19:35 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (C.E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:19:35 +0000 Subject: HW: a few more notes Message-ID: As an aside, I encountered Alan Davey last night and enquired of a few things. Apparently his solo album is 75% done, and when it comes out it will most likely _not_ be on EBS (dunno how this will effect any possible Griffin release) due to--I think I heard all this right--Alan reckoning he can make quite a lot more money _without_ Doug Smith at the helm ;) I'm pretty sure I also heard a few disparaging words about Doug Smith ... discontent in the ranks? Alan hopes to use the profits to buy a 16-track digital ADAT recording studio set-up for himself. A few notes for musicians and music-gear-heads out there. Alan's main bass is a Ricky 4003, with a 4000 (!) as a backup. He's got a Seymour Duncan pickup in the neck position, which is the only pickup he uses. He plays through some kind of ancient 50W (I think I heard this right) Fender amp, which he says gives him some cool sustain. Cheers, Carl From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Sun Oct 22 21:55:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 21:55:00 BST-1 Subject: HW: Brixton 21/10 Message-ID: And lo, the huddled masses of Boc-l successfully convened at the Beehive, and after a brief fortification with the 99p bitter, proceeded to the Academy for an evening of techno trips and psychedelic dreams. First up was Capt Rizz, who seemed quite fun, but to be honest I didn't pay much attention... then Porcupine Tree proceeded to make swirly Floydian sounds to pleasing effect. Then we got RDF and Back to the Planet, who were both OK if you like that sort of thing, but overstayed their welcome a bit if you didn't. Ditto Utah Saints. However, they were all a damn sight better than many Hawkwind support acts I've suffered in the past! They did manage to recreate something of a festival atmosphere indoors, which was quite a feat. OK, to the main event. I'll say up-front that I was a bit disappointed with Hawkwind - though in fairness, I overheard someone saying afterwards, "they were brilliant in Glasgow last week, but tonight, well I dunno". So maybe it was a bit of an off-night. I've certainly been to worse Hawkwind shows, but I've been to better ones too! I think one of the things counting against them - a bit of an own-goal, this - is that the main band (Brock/Davey/Chadwick) were set up well back on the stage. I'd say a good fifteen yards or more. So there was no sense of audience involvement with them at all. And I didn't notice Brock venturing from behind his equipment a single time, so all I could see were his head and shoulders. (We were more-or-less at the front of the stalls.) If he'd just ventured out once, with his guitar emitting some BLANGA riffing, then it would have really got everyone going. Face it, we all paid our money to see Dave Brock, not Ron Tree. In that void at the front of the stage, we had some competent enough dancers, some fire-eaters, and of course Ron Tree. It's now clear what his job is - it's to provide a visual focus so the rest of them can hide. (It's a role he shared not only with the dancers, but with a breathtakingly naff gold robot thing that sort of wobbled its arms a bit.) Tree himself wore body paint on his face, arms and (emaciated) torso, the right half white, the left half black. (Sort of like Dunken Mullett out of Mournblade only more so.) "Hassan I Sabha", I'd say, was the undoubted high-point. Biggest letdown was "Alien (I Am)", which should have been a tidal wave of riffing, but didn't really amount to much. Most of the show was solid enough without ever really catching fire. But it was a fun night out, and real good to meet so many list members! - Andy ObCD: Dwight Yoakam - _Buenas Noches from a Lonely Room_ :) From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Sun Oct 22 22:33:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 22:33:00 BST-1 Subject: HW: London review Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <22574.9510221755 at abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Dave sez > After all I'd read here about Ron, I was expecting someone more manic. > Except for when he was dressed as the alien, he didn't have a very > striking stage presence, though his make up was fun and his singing was > OK. Same here - he just sort of stood there without much expression (at least, nothing you could detect under the slap), fixating on a point in space at the rear of the hall. I thought his singing was fine on "Robot" and "Hassan I Sabha", because those numbers were always sort of semi-spoken anyway. He didn't really cut it for me on "Lord of Light" or "Silver Machine", because they need a bit more range and emotional depth. > visuals rather pathetic. If this is what the Live Chronicles tour was > like, > I can see why Andy didn't like it. Don't get me started! :) I guess you could draw a parallel between Ron and the mime artist playing Elric, and the neglect of "rock'n'roll" values to "performance art" in both cases, but mostly it's musically that I didn't like "Chronicles". > Just give me the projected images > and > the seven coloured strobes... Ditto! > About 2/3rds of the way through I moved back a bit so that I could see > the > whole stage. This was a better view, but I never did find the rest of > the > list members after that... whoops. It was good meeting you all > beforehand! Well, at least you missed the nasty pizza slices :) - Andy ObQuestion - If Ron were to join Albert and Deborah's band, would they call it the Tree Surgeons? :) From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Sun Oct 22 22:24:29 1995 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:24:29 +1000 Subject: BOC: WotT Downunder (at last!) Message-ID: Well, I saw WotT on the rack yesterday. This was a different shop than the one that mentioned delays in supply, but maybe some stock is moving. Pete. A$48.00 ouch :-0 ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Sun Oct 22 23:58:25 1995 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:58:25 +1000 Subject: Women Rock Critics Message-ID: It's curious that this appeared on the list today. Just last night I was thinking about _Lillian Roxon's Rock Encyclopedia_ (I think that's the title and how her name is spelt) and remembering her entry for BOC. I know someone who has the book and I was wondering if I ought to borrow it and post the BOC write-up to the list. I can't remember any of the detail, but I do remember ROTFL at some of her turns of phrase. Great reading. I will post it, but it might take a few days. Pete. PS If there's a HW entry I'll see about posting it, too. PPS Please tell me if someone else has already sent it. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 23 04:52:35 1995 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 09:52:35 +0100 Subject: HW: Wolverhampton. Message-ID: Well the timing took us by surprise I was still in the bar as was most of the rest when the lights went down at 8.45!!!. The approx track list was.. Deathtrap Great Are you losing your mind Great ? Robot Fantastic ? Sputnik Sam Fantastic Golden Void Even Better ? The Camera that could lie Fantastic Wastlands Alien(Am I) Fantastic ? ? Love (Sex) in Space Lords of Light Great ? Silver Machine Great Welcome ----------- Assassins of Allah Space is their Palistine Over all I thought they played very well and tight. Ron was great. His vocals on Deathtrap and Robot in particular were very strong. Gig length Start 8.45 Lights on 10.30. Derrick.. How were the T-Shirts in London as they were running low here, only Medium of the "Alien" shirt so I had to get the "glow in the dark" Galactic Tour one instead. --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk Talk Waylander at 147.188.64.112 "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. |--| % }===={ --------------------------------------------- From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Mon Oct 23 05:46:26 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 05:46:26 -0400 Subject: BOC: London date Message-ID: > Got a message a few days age from Melne at the BOC fan club and these > are the confirmed dates for Europe; > 12/13 London, UK > 12/14 Paris, FRA > 12/15+16 Athens, GR > Hope you enjoy the gigs if you go........Manuel in NM > Jean Delacour How come Athens gets two gigs? Are BOC more popular in Greece than any other European country? Is there anybody out there on this list in Greece who can enlighten us? .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Oct 23 05:58:16 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:58:16 +0100 Subject: HW: London review In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 22 Oct 1995 22:33:00 -0000." Message-ID: Well, most the other boc-l folk who were there have basically said it all, but anyway - No, to be honest, no. Maybe for a variety of reasons (like not being a huge fan of the era some of the songs came from) but Hawkwind just didn't cut it for me. I didn't mind Ron Tree, especially on Assassins of Allah and a couple of others, but he needed to have worked harder to fill up all the _space_ on stage. And half a Hoover on your head does not a robot make. The fire-eaters were ok, but get shot of the dancers. Way too much of the gig was 'watch amateur performance art to the whoosy background sound' which isn't what Hawkwind is about imho. At least the dancer on the Business Trip tour hurled herself about a bit! Also the last tour seemed to have much more of a vibe to it, with whoosy ambient bits linking definite songs together rather than some ongoing swathe of rather nondescript music with recognisible parts every so often. And to cap it all, the mix seemed very muddy to me. Porcupine Tree were pretty good in a kind of wannabe Pink Floyd way (and that's not a complaint). RDF & B2TP were just people on stage and background noise. Thats maybe a bit harsh, I liked the reggae stuff initially, but like Andy said, it got to be a case of enuff's enuff. Utah, U-U-U-Utah Saints :) were pretty cool I was half expecting to see a review from a listmember who stayed for the duration saying that salt tank/optic eye were brilliant and/or Hawkwind played a second set of storming classics, all missed because we went in search of a curry and couldn't get back in. As for the pizza, "this is what you want, this is what you get" :-( It was all a bit hazy after that (must have been the aspirin) But thanks due to Andy G for use of his floor to crash on. And it was good to meet so many of the UK boc-l people. Tim Ingatestone Station, on a sunday morning, is idyllic, as y'all can imagine ;-) From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Sun Oct 22 10:22:13 1995 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr. M S Wright) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 14:22:13 +0000 Subject: My version of the all-nighter Message-ID: We got into the Academy to hear the last Capt Rizz song, which sounded as bad as it did in Manchester, and far worse than the CD sounds, and then settled down to lots of bands I wasn't too sure about while trying to catch up on my sleep. I thought that Porcupine Tree were quite melodic and OK, without ever really catching my attention - a bit like their 'On the sunday of life' CD (which is all I've got by them), pleasant enough but not good enough to make me listen to it very frequently. After them were RDF, who were as I remember them, a rather uninspiring vocalist with a band to match (sorry Dave). They were followed by Back to the Planet, who are still doing their thing, and were the first band who almost kept me awake, I still like the line "I blame the turtles, an influence bad". The Utah Saints were the surprise band of the evening - a new experience for me that I quite liked - I would have preferred them if I thought there was any correlation between what they were playing on stage and what I was hearing. As near as I could tell there was no SM remix played. We moved down to the front for HW, and as it wasn't hugely packed it was quite easy to find somewhere close to the stage without being crushed to death. I think the set list was the same as at Manchester, with the level of performance being about the same - which surprised me because Dave seemed to be enjoying himself and moving around on stage, twice in one tour! The highlights for me were the bit in Golden Void after the 1st verse where everyone starts playing everything louder than everything else, Welcome ot the future, which always brings a smile to my face as the instruments explode into life, and the new songs. I really liked Space Sex, and only just behind it in the good new songs stakes is Alien. The versions of Deathtrap and Robot did the job for me, but the best of the old songs is a tie between Silver Machine and Lord of Light, both blew my socks off. After HW had left I foolishly stayed for all four and a half hours of techno malarky, which was quite good but I wasn't in the mood for staying awake - I felt I could never go home as I'd left half my brain in a hall in Brixton (which is a paraphrase of a Pulp song entitled Sorted for Es and whizz, just so you know). I was a bit disappointed that there wasn't anything different for the alnighter, especially as Mike M is in the country (or was until quite recently) as he compered the Albert Hall Beat poets reunion, so I thought/hoped I might get to see him with HW at long last. Cheers Mike w From SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET Mon Oct 23 11:09:13 1995 From: SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET (Sebastian Welton) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:09:13 EWT Subject: HW: London review Message-ID: > >Ingatestone Station, on a sunday morning, is idyllic, as y'all can imagine ;-) > Hmmm, really! I'll be there this coming Sunday. I seem to have screwed up with this H/W tour. The German dates don't come anywhere near me, although on the Bochum night I'll probably be just down the road in Duisburg, and when I go to England at the end of this week they'll still be over here. But there is some good news, Bevis Frond are touring Germany in November. Cheers Seb From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Mon Oct 23 06:38:45 1995 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr. M S Wright) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:38:45 +0000 Subject: HW: London review In-Reply-To: <24122.9510230958@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, bart wrote: > I was half expecting to see a review from a listmember who stayed for the > duration saying that salt tank/optic eye were brilliant and/or Hawkwind played > a second set of storming classics, all missed because we went in search of a > curry and couldn't get back in. As for the pizza, "this is what you want, this > is what you get" :-( It was all a bit hazy after that (must have been the > aspirin) > Well, my first message seems to be stuck somewhere, I'll see if this gets out. The techno malarky bands varied enormously, and as they didn't introduce themselves often (or if they did I was a bit asleep) I cannot really pass great comments of wisdom. However fear not, there was no HW reappearance, some of the bands were quite mellow, and some were quite hectic, and some were 2 dancers in wierd outfits with a person hidden by keyboards (and although this sounds like a description of HW it wasn't). At about 4 o'clock I wished I'd had the common sense to leave in search of food when the rest of you did, instead of leaving the Academy at 6 in the morning (really 5) and having to wait 2 hours for the first tube out of Brixton, or getting a 10 pound taxi to Paddington to get the 6:30 train. Cheers to all the people I met, and indeed to anyone else Mike w From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Mon Oct 23 06:40:52 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:40:52 +0000 Subject: Tapes In-Reply-To: <01HWOQ0CQJMM9FNO7L@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Oct 21, 95 02:47:43 am Message-ID: Chuck, Tape arrived today. Cheers. The spice one is in the post. Went off on Friday. Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Oct 23 07:11:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:11:00 GMT Subject: BOC: WotT Downunder (at last!) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9510230224.AA11391 at pigeon.qut.edu.au> > Well, I saw WotT on the rack yesterday. This was a different shop than > the > one that mentioned delays in supply, but maybe some stock is moving. Tower in London had quite a lot of copies in last week, at a not too unreasonable for a double import price of 22 pounds 99. And they gave them reasonable prominence on the "new imports" rack. No sign of a UK edition though. - Andy From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Oct 23 04:20:14 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:20:14 +1100 Subject: HW: Arrested Development Message-ID: On 20 Oct 95 Rudich, Robert A wrote about HW: Arrested Development: > >When I first got this LP, I thought it was the best thing they ever > >did. I still like it, but it is WAY too 'commercial' I think. > > Guess something stunted me in my growth. :-) No, it's just that when I realised that my wife liked it too, I figured that it MUST be WAY too commercial ;^) > >These three make the album! > > I wish I said that. Damn, you are good! You are way too kind! Paul (ego swelling nicely) -- Press any key to continue or any other key to quit Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Oct 23 04:28:02 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:28:02 +1100 Subject: HW: Review - Chronicles of the Black Sword Message-ID: On 20 Oct 95 Sebastian Welton wrote about Re: HW: Review - Chronicles of the: > London Brixton Academy (NME 28 August 1993, Johnny Cigarette) > ------------------------------------------------------------- Ooohh ... nasty! -- Thought for the day: Anatomy (n): something everyone has, but which looks better on a girl. -- Bruce Raeburn. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Oct 23 05:00:28 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:00:28 +1100 Subject: HW: Down thru the night Message-ID: Having just driven home on Saturday night from a family gathering, mere hours after the Brixton All-nighter would have finished, I stepped outside for a cigarrete. And what do I hear: 'Down thru the night' sinuating it's way across suburbia through the sound of Melbourne rain! Do you think I could find the damn party? No sooner had I thrown on my trusty sneakers .... the track finished and they turned the stereo off! Paul (sadly) -- Thought for the day: Book (n): a utensil used to pass time while waiting for the TV repairman. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Oct 23 04:55:57 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:55:57 +1100 Subject: HW: Gig Reviews Message-ID: I am incredibly stupid! After asking/pleading/begging for album and gig reviews, I have gone and deleted all my GIG files which I had saved up recently for inclusion on my WWW pages! DOH! Could I get anyone on the list who has posted a review lately, (and has it still) to mail it to me? I do still have the most recent ones of the Brixton gig, but have lost all others!: From: Dave Berry Subject: HW: London review From: "C.E. Anderson" Subject: Re: HW: London review Subject: HW: a few more notes From: Andrew Gilham Subject: HW: Brixton 21/10 Subject: Re: HW: London review Thanks, Paul -- Virus Scan Error Message: Windows '95 found .... remove it (Y/y)? Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 23 08:12:27 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:12:27 -0400 Subject: HW: a few more notes Message-ID: Carl writes: A few notes for musicians and music-gear-heads out there. Alan's main bass is a Ricky 4003, with a 4000 (!) as a backup. He's got a Seymour Duncan pickup in the neck position, which is the only pickup he uses. He plays through some kind of ancient 50W (I think I heard this right) Fender amp, which he says gives him some cool sustain. Cool - and to think I was thinking about trading my Fender 60Watter for a SWR 100Watter . . . John From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Mon Oct 23 08:12:02 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:12:02 +0000 Subject: We all have our own versions...Brixton 21/10 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We all have our own versions of Brixton - but they're amazingly similar.. On Sun, 22 Oct 1995, Andrew Gilham wrote: > First up was Capt Rizz, who seemed quite fun, but to be honest I didn't > pay much attention.. we only arrived in time to see 1 and a half tracks of this band. They seemed to tbe the only reggae band of the evening that didn't seem wholly intent on playing techno-ambient reggae durge and the pleasing thing about them was that the reggae they played at least seemed to have a rock bass-line/ heavier undertone, if i have to listen to Reg I prefer it to of this nature, just wish I'd had a bit more time to hear them properly. >then Porcupine Tree proceeded to make swirly Floydian sounds to >pleasing effect. Most pleasing - great Dave Gilmore lead guitar sound, spacey but formulated if not a little tame. > Then we got RDF aka Real Dross Factor - As far as the reggae aspect of this show goes: 1) there was toooooo much of it 2) infuriatingly amateurish to boot. Surely HW can find more inspiring bands to be associated with Unfortunatly I seemed to have blanked out the Utah Saints - recall has failed me.. And then there was Hawkwind.. > I think one of the things counting against them - a bit of an own-goal, > this - is that the main band (Brock/Davey/Chadwick) were set up well back > on the stage. I have been trying to figure out *why* they have chosen this 'backstage' format..one theory is that by concealing the slippers/pipes they may have been attempting to attract a younger following- after all not all of the audience were die-hard HW fans who would love them even if they played from hospital beds with drip-feeds? Music-wise they played a fair set - I agree there was too much linkage music which consisted of seemingly endless experimental chord changes but when they broke into 'proper' tracks (old and new) they seemd pretty well together and demonstrated that they could still BLANGA live, and I wouldn't hesitate going to see them again. Despite what seems to be a page load of complaints I genuinly enjoyed the evening and was lucky enough to get a decent slice of Pizza too! Thanks also to Andy G. 5***** sofa! (Although I wouldn't neccesarily dash out and buy a Dwight Yaokham CD on his recommendation.) Maxine ObEmbarrasement of the evening: Spotting Carl Anderson chatting up this small girl with long blonde hair , I mishear someone say "Carls talking to Al and Davey" which in reality turns out to be Alan Davey, the blonde! - good stuff this 99p bitter. (ApOlogies to Alan & Carl :} ) From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Oct 23 07:28:13 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:28:13 +0000 Subject: BOC/Covers debate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Oct 1995, C.E. Anderson wrote: > > I wonder how much pressure we, as fans, put upon bands to repeat > > themselves. > > Well, think of the hue and cry that went up from Metallica > fans when the "black album" came out. I thought all the moaning of I remember buying a copy of the Beatles' fan magazine from just after Sgt Pepper came out. Various fans complained that the fabs were getting all arty-farty and that they should stick to writing simple songs like they used to... :-) Dave From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 23 08:21:01 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:21:01 -0400 Subject: BOC: Tour-Spiel Message-ID: ROBO asks: is that the one that says " I dreamt I was Eric Bloom and woke up as Joe Bouchard"? Yes it is. I haven't heard the original, but I've heard the Brain Surgeons' version on the Minutemen tribute CD (someone posted the address to get it last week here). There's some other noteworthy lyrics in there ("Richard Meltzer gave me a hard time", something about "the Spectres tour"). QUESTION FOR MIKE WATT FANS: Is Watt's solo CD ("Ballhog or Tugboat") similar to his work with The Minutemen and fIREHOSE? From what I've heard of it (only Piss-bottle Man and Big Train), it doesn't appear to be. But what I have heard sounds kinda cool and I'm considering picking up his CD. John From Niko.Makila at CSC.FI Mon Oct 23 08:26:57 1995 From: Niko.Makila at CSC.FI (Niko Makila) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:26:57 +0200 Subject: HW: Alan's Bass Setup In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:19:35 GMT." Message-ID: Carl's message dated: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:19:35 GMT > > A few notes for musicians and music-gear-heads out there. Alan's > main bass is a Ricky 4003, with a 4000 (!) as a backup. Being the ignorant MGH that I am makes me wonder what is the difference between these models? > He plays through some kind of ancient 50W (I think I heard this > right) Fender amp, which he says gives him some cool sustain. Playing a 50W at 11 may be nicer in small clubs than a 500W at 11. Reminds me of Robert Fripp commenting John Wetton's Vega amp in the early 70's King Crimson: "It was very easy to hear and very difficult not to hear." ObCD: Phish, A Live One. //niko From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 23 08:43:19 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:43:19 +0000 Subject: OFFTOP: B. Frond (was Re: HW: London review) In-Reply-To: <199510231016.GAA10243@listserv.spc.edu> from "Sebastian Welton" at Oct 23, 95 11:09:13 am Message-ID: > But there is some good news, Bevis Frond are touring > Germany in November. And England as well. The Boat Race in Cambridge on the 26th or 27th. I'm quite looking forward to that .... Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 23 08:53:35 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:53:35 +0000 Subject: We all have our own versions...Brixton 21/10 In-Reply-To: from "Maxine Wesley" at Oct 23, 95 12:12:02 pm Message-ID: > I have been trying to figure out *why* they have chosen this > 'backstage' format..one theory is that by concealing the slippers/pipes > they may have been attempting to attract a younger following- after all > not all of the audience were die-hard HW fans who would love them even if > they played from hospital beds with drip-feeds? For all one can tell, they might _be_ in hospital beds with drip-feeds! I dunno. How can one attract any kind of following by standing so far back that even the really keen punters in the front can't see you. Surely a younger audience (that might even still include me--but maybe not ...) would be willing to overlook a great deal if Dave were actually perched up at the lip of the stage grinning stupidly and riffing like a bastard? Balls, so to speak, are everything in rock and HW seems in some danger of drifting into a sort of neutered territory where no one can see. Out of sight, out of mind? > Despite what seems to be a page load of complaints I genuinly enjoyed the > evening and was lucky enough to get a decent slice of Pizza too! Likewise. Even the beer in the venue was better than I had been expecting. My own complaints are much more about things that _could_ be really unfortunate if they grow out of control (ie. Brock phones in his performance from Devon, etc.). I reckon that the new album will be better than _IITBOTFTBD_ as well. But will it be better or worse than _Electric Teepee_? > ObEmbarrasement of the evening: Spotting Carl Anderson chatting up this > small girl with long blonde hair , I mishear someone say "Carls talking > to Al and Davey" which in reality turns out to be Alan Davey, the blonde! - > good stuff this 99p bitter. > (ApOlogies to Alan & Carl :} ) Alan has a much better right to be offended than I do :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 23 09:08:21 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:08:21 +0000 Subject: HW: Alan's Bass Setup In-Reply-To: <199510231227.OAA10113@darkstar.csc.fi> from "Niko Makila" at Oct 23, 95 02:26:57 pm Message-ID: > > A few notes for musicians and music-gear-heads out there. Alan's > > main bass is a Ricky 4003, with a 4000 (!) as a backup. > > Being the ignorant MGH that I am makes me wonder what is the difference > between these models? I'm not familiar with the 4000's really myself, but mostly it's just an older model from the early 60's I believe. The 4001 is probably the most commonly found model, having put in an appearance in the mid- 60's (I think) and having been replaced with the 4003 around 1979-80 or thereabouts. The 4003 differs from the 4001 only in having a much stronger neck intended to take higher-tension roundwound strings (the 4001 was intended for flat-wound strings which were standard when it was first released. There is a 4004 with a less finicky to adjust bridge, and I haven't the slightest clue about the 4002. To make this more relevant, Lemmy I think started in HW with a borrowed 4000, then got a 4001 which he used into Motorhead until he got a 4003 after they came out, and still uses this now. Rickenbacker is just finishing up a custom model Rick bass for Lemmy (which the will be marketing for any kollectors out there with money to burn ;) which I think is a development of the 4003. Dunno if he's using it yet, but I'll try to remember to look when Motorhead plays London on the 2nd. > > He plays through some kind of ancient 50W (I think I heard this > > right) Fender amp, which he says gives him some cool sustain. > > Playing a 50W at 11 may be nicer in small clubs than a 500W at 11. > Reminds me of Robert Fripp commenting John Wetton's Vega amp in the > early 70's King Crimson: "It was very easy to hear and very difficult > not to hear." 500W at 11 would probably destroy many small clubs, not to mention the audience! ;) To continue in the above theme, Lemmy uses two 100W Marshall bass amps running in series, I believe, and that makes a _hell_ of a noise. > ObCD: Phish, A Live One. A good CD that, and in the states it was only 15 dollars new, which is a damn good price for a double CD! Cheers, Carl From thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM Mon Oct 23 10:14:00 1995 From: thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM (Matt Thompson) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:14:00 E Subject: BOC: Tour-Spiel Message-ID: >>is that the one that says " I dreamt I was Eric Bloom and woke up as Joe >>Bouchard"? > >Yes it is. I haven't heard the original, but I've heard the Brain >Surgeons' version on the Minutemen tribute CD (someone posted the >address to get it last week here). There's some other noteworthy >lyrics in there ("Richard Meltzer gave me a hard time", something about >"the Spectres tour"). > >QUESTION FOR MIKE WATT FANS: Is Watt's solo CD ("Ballhog or >Tugboat") similar to his work with The Minutemen and fIREHOSE? From >what I've heard of it (only Piss-bottle Man and Big Train), it doesn't appear >to be. But what I have heard sounds kinda cool and I'm considering >picking up his CD. The BOC references in the original verion of Tour Spiel are: "I dreamed I was E. Bloom but I woke up Joe Bouchard in some town out on the road. With my patent leather boots on (just llike Richard told me), another hack on the Specres tour" The liner notes for Project Mersh say that the lyrics for the song have been changed to something like "I dreamed I was E. Bloom but I woke up E. Bloom" after seeing BOC in San Pedro presumably after Joe left the band. Watt's solo album definitely doesn't do it for me the same as firehose or the Minutemen. There's some good stuff on it but it's too diverse and inconsistent with all the different players. He's still incredible live. Matt Thompson thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Oct 23 09:10:47 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:10:47 +0100 Subject: OFFTOP: B. Frond (was Re: HW: London review) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:43:19 -0000." Message-ID: > > But there is some good news, Bevis Frond are touring > > Germany in November. > > And England as well. The Boat Race in Cambridge on the 26th > or 27th. I'm quite looking forward to that .... Hmmm. About that floorspace of yours Carl.... Cheers, Tim From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Oct 23 14:43:59 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:43:59 BST Subject: HW: Were you at the same gig? Message-ID: Interesting, I seem to be the only one who thinks that Saturday's all-nighter was excellent. I turned up late for Capt. Rizz, so I'll have to take the others' word for it. I really liked Porc. Tree, it was a shame that they only seemed to play for half an hour. As for RDF, I didn't recognise them until the bass line to "Gotta go to a war" kicked in. It seems that they have undergone yet another line-up change, this was definately not their best performance. Back to the Planet were pretty much the same as usual, they've got a good sound but there is no quality songs. Utah Saints were great and played my favourite "Something Good", with the Kate Bush samples. Now to Hawkwind, most of the others seemed disappointed by them, but I really enjoyed it and ranked it high amongst my fave HW gigs. What made it for me was the excellent versions of Robot, Golden Void and Lord of Light segued into Silver Machine (possibly the best version I've heard of the latter). Ron Tree was a competent front man, quite a good voice, frequent costume changes and that bizarre hair-dryer hat made it quite entertaining, and the Lord of Light/Silver Machine was definately better because of his singing and presence. The robot which he controlled using what seemed to be a portable stereo's graphic equalliser added a fun element, we all knew it wouldn't be the best in robotics technology, after all this is Hawkwind not Pink Floyd. The dancers were OK, but not brilliant. I recognised the girl as being the dancer with a band called "Me" from Bristol who used to support the Moonflowers a lot. The fire-eaters were pretty dull as well, they'd have been better doing all their tricks at once during one song rather than going off and on every few minutes. At least Brock is playing his guitar more, and for the first time since 91 I've seen a HW gig without LSD (errr, the song that is!) or Right to Decide. I even find Hassan I Sabbah to be getting a bit boring now, I think they should take out the long, ambient keyboardy bit in the middle. I think the reason for being so far back on the stage was to allow them to set their gear up behind the curtain to allow for a faster changeover time after the previous band, but it would have been better if they were closer to the audience. Overall....excellent!!! I stayed till the end, Electric Groove Temple were next and tried to play ethnic/techno sounds using conventional instruments, not very convincingly. Next were Cybernaut followed by Techno Pagan both of whom played straight forward techno, I had my dancing shoes on at this point and was well into it. I'm not sure what happened to Optic Eye. The gig finished at five o'clock, they didn't seem to take much notice of British summer time so it was off to Victoria Station for a coffee and train back to Brighton. Nice to put a face to some of the names on the list, though a word of warning...don't buy any chocolate from Carl. :) bye - Rob From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 23 08:57:28 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:57:28 +0000 Subject: HW: a few more notes In-Reply-To: <199510231212.IAA00890@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Oct 23, 95 08:12:27 am Message-ID: Re: Alan Davey's bass amp: > He plays through some kind of ancient 50W (I think I heard this > right) Fender amp, which he says gives him some cool sustain. > > Cool - and to think I was thinking about trading my Fender 60Watter for > a SWR 100Watter . . . Well, if you're on-stage in a club or in another situation with a PA you can get pretty far with a small amp--it's the PA that's doing the big work, after all. Though if you plan on playing with a drummer and have nothing more than your own amp, that extra wattage can come in handy. I reckon Alan must have cranked up that 50W pretty hard, thus getting some sustain from overdriving the valves (which the average bass amp is not intended to do as a matter of course, unlike guitar amps). Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 23 08:58:58 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:58:58 +0000 Subject: BOC: Tour-Spiel In-Reply-To: <199510231221.IAA02750@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Oct 23, 95 08:21:01 am Message-ID: > I haven't heard the original, but I've heard the Brain > Surgeons' version on the Minutemen tribute CD (someone posted the > address to get it last week here). There's some other noteworthy > lyrics in there ("Richard Meltzer gave me a hard time", something about > "the Spectres tour"). I think, "Now we're out on the Spectres tour." Andy played us the Brain Surgeons version after the Brixton gig. Cheers, Carl From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Oct 23 10:02:06 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:02:06 -0400 Subject: BOC: Solo efforts In-Reply-To: <01HWOQ0CQJMM9FNO7L@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Oct 21, 95 02:47:43 am Message-ID: Uhhh, Chuck, was this directed to me? And did I say something to start this? Confuseded yers.... Craig S. > > Craig, > > Oh, about the team mascots, have you heard yet that native > Americans Indians plan to protest the games, starting > tomorrow?? Yeah, they're real pissed about both team's mascots (Rest of the stuff deleted...) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Mon Oct 23 10:18:23 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:18:23 +0000 Subject: We all have our own versions...Brixton 21/10 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > I dunno. How can one attract any kind of following by standing > so far back that even the really keen punters in the front can't see you. The Orb are doing well out of exactly that format - when I saw them they were merely silhouettes of blokes in bobble hats playing records (not an instrument in sight). It's a cult thing? From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Oct 23 10:41:28 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:41:28 -0400 Subject: BOC: Tour-Spiel Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-23 09:45:10 EDT, you write: >QUESTION FOR MIKE WATT FANS: Is Watt's solo CD ("Ballhog or Tugboat") >similar to his work with The Minutemen and fIREHOSE? From what I've >heard of it (only Piss-bottle Man and Big Train), it doesn't appear >to be. But what I have heard sounds kinda cool and I'm considering >picking up his CD. > >John I can't say really cuz I only have the Live Totems EP as well as Tugboat...I would certainly recommend the CD...I think it's pretty good... ROBO From CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK Mon Oct 23 15:55:20 1995 From: CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:55:20 EDT Subject: HW: Alan's Bass Setup In-Reply-To: <8FA852310101367C@-SMF-> Message-ID: > 500W at 11 would probably destroy many small clubs, not to mention > the audience! ;) > To continue in the above theme, Lemmy uses two 100W Marshall bass > amps running in series, I believe, and that makes a _hell_ of a noise. I remember reading an interview with Wurzel and Phil Campbell in *Guitarist* a few years ago. One of 'em said that the first time he played with MH he wandered across the stage and on his way passed in front of Lemmys stacks. He said that when he came out the other side he thought he'd gone deaf 'cause it was so much quieter :-) And on a similar note a friends band were in some practice rooms and the bass player didn't have his amp so they borrowed one from the guy behind the reception desk. He showed 'em to a cupboard full of Trace Elliott gear which they set up - it was all in flight cases marked *Simply Red*. Turned out to be their then bass players stage rig and it was so loud that even on one they couldn't hear the drummer!!!!!! There is a serious point to loud amps for bass players which is that they can get plenty of poke without distortion (unless you're Lemmy and like that sort of thing). I thought that part of the reason the Capt Rizz sounded so s**t was that the bass player was way too distorted. This is quite common for support bands in general who turn everything up to 11 esp if they're not getting the full PA. Also worth noting that if you're playing clubs then a loud bass amp means you don't have to put it through the PA but can leave that for keyboards and vocals. Guitarists, of course, manage quite well in many venues with just a couple of Marshalls and a few FX units :-) Chris p.s. If anyone in the Sheffield/Leeds/Nottingham areas wants a guitarist who's influenced by Brock Angus Young and Ted Nugent for a space or progressive rock band feel free to email me............................. From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 23 13:00:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:00:00 PDT Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: Good Morning fellow subscribers. Had a marvelous time friday night. Need to get to a bit of house keeping out of the way before getting down to the business of the show. First to Torgo - Buck decided the cd thing for us. OYFOOYK "to Torgo" also got Danny Miranda's John Hancock. Lets just mail the inserts. To Dr. Bob - Zilla on the Front and Zilla vs. the Reaper on the Back. One size is all XL 46-48. Let me know if that will do ya. Its a pretty cool T but not nearly as cool as the one I saw this guy wearing which was T&M album cover. If that doesn't work no problem, a bit big for me but I like the way it fits. Ken - Hope you made it home safely in the weather. Took me over an hour, had to do about 30 mph all the way. Ken by the way traveled 2.5 hours to make the show ins some of the worst weather we have seen in this area in a looong time. Now down to business: Must start by saying the opening acts were among the best I have ever seen at Jaxx, three really terriffic bands that entertained a crowd numbering somehwere betwwen 200-300 give or take a couple of dozen. Agents of Fortune opened the show, though I arrived during the third song of their set. Those who didn't arrive early enough to catch Miles KB and their band missed a real treat. Miles is about 6'4" and really dwarfs his guitar (most of the guitarist were huge this night but more on that later). The band itself seems a bit young in that I don't think they have played together very long. Their sound though was excellent, each song a band original. Of particular note was a song called "When the Curtain Drops" This melody stayed with me most of the night. Agents set was higlighted by a quick intrument and position switch by Miles and the Bass player. Pulled it off like 20 year veterans. The drummer also treated the audience to a pretty decent solo though it was about 60 seconds too long. All in all the Agents set got stronger with each song. Special thanks to Miles who got me a few monents with Buck (more on that later); when you see Miles play you will notice that he has a little bit of Buck in him. Next up was Slow Acid Factor a local band thats been around for a while. Looks a lot like Y&T with the long hair and all. Really tight set by these guys. Or particular note were two cover songs one by Rush (sory Rush fans my notes got rained on and I can't tell what I wrote) and the other was Zep's Kashmir. If these guys come to your town make a trip to see 'em, they're pretty damn good and you will never hear a better cover of Kashmir. Finally , and this is where the perfect evening started to go down hill, was a band called Frankie and the Actions. Frankie (who must weigh close to 275) and his guys look like a death metal group, pretty sinister. In fact I thought we were in for 60 minutes of Motorhead covers. Then Frankie played. Awesome, absolutlely awesome. The big guy can make a geetar sing. There set was ultra tight and full of energy. They played mostly originals from their two cds and closed the show with a cover of Frankenstien, that almost bought the roof down. The only problem I had with FATAL (Frankie and the Actions Live - Pretty cool t-shirt by the way) was that they took too much time getting their set started. Don't know what cuased the delay but the results had a direct impact on BOC's set. Just prior to BOC set beginning Ken and I made sure we worked our way to front center stage. Ensured from the crowd around me that if I left to get a beer I would get my spot back. There was also a rumor circulating through the club that Eyes planned on wheeling a Harley on the stage, Looked a bit too cramped to pull it off I thought. Got a chance to shoot the breeze with Alan who was busy setting up his keys and taping what was believed to be the set list to the monitors. Leaned over for a quick preview and discovered that it wasn't a set list but rather the Lyrics to Lips In the Hills. Alan eventually taped the set list (which I walked away with after the show, heh, heh). The written Lineup was as follows: Stairways Dr. Music OD On Life ETI Before the Kiss/Teen (Archer?) See You in Black Take Me Away/Joan Crawford Flaming Telepaths Cities On Flame Last Days/Astronomy/Vets. of The Pyschic Wars In Thee Lips in The Hills (ME 262/Bucks Boogie were typed in and then scrathed out) Harvest Moon Burnin' Zilla Reaper Encore - Dominance and Submission Summer of Love/Golden Age of Leather The Red & the Black I thought I would die after copying down the set list. Absolutely could not believe that I was getting so many of my favorites at one show. The only song I could have wished for more was Subhuman. However what you see is not what you get. Thanks to FATALS delay in starting the show the set was condensed dramatically (more on that later). The boys hit the stage and cranked into Stairways which is still a good opener but could probably use some rest for a while. They seemed to sleepwalk through it though it sounded great. Dr. Music came in immeadately after it and Rocked pretty hard. Now OD on life was a real pleaser as I haven't heard this one in quite sometime. The crowd seemed to get a kick out of this classic as they attempted to out sing the band. ETI cranked as usual. To me this is a very undrated song with a killer groove to it. Sounded very similar to the SEE version. Before the Kiss and what I can only imagine was to be Teen Archer were ommitted and the band slipped right into See You In Black. I have only heard this song twice, but after friday my fondest wish is for a realease of new BOC material as opposed to the rare stuff. This song belongs on a cd. It out rocks anything out there. Take Me Away was next and IMHO should be used as the opener to give the classic Stairways a break. By this time after countless beers and notes which were rained on I do not recall if they did Joan Crawford as planned, maybe Ken can fill us in. I do remember Flaming Telepaths which is probably my favorite single song. This song is absolutley timeless, if they had said goodnight after this one I would have been satisfied. Cities on Flame was next in cue and sounded good but it just dosen't work as well for me without the Bouchard vocals. Astronomy followed Cities as Last Days and Veterans were ommitted. A real shame as I looked forward to hearing Eyes belt out Veterans. Then came a real twist in the set. Eyes explained that United Airlines had screwed up and didn't deliver the acoustic guitars but that they would do In Thee anyway. What the hell a plugged version of an unplugged song seemed like a good idea at the time. Thats just how they did and remarkably it sounded great. Alan, Eyes and Buck with electric gutars and what proved to be the vocal highlight of the evening. Lips, which replaced ME 262/Bucks Boogie got a stroing reaction from the crowd. It was during this song that I really noticed O'Rielly on drums and Danny Miranda on Bass (But more about that later). What followed next was Harvest Moon which I was not familiar with. Moon, like See You in Black was extremely powerful, a great song. Finally, we got the expected trio of Burnin' Zilla and Reaper, all of which sounded pretty stale IMHO. I really don't see the need to keep all three in the set one would do and I would vote for Reaper over the other two. By now it was 1:40 am and the crowd anxiously awaited the encore. Glancing at the set list I braced myself for what on paper seemed to be a finale to end all shows. It didn't happen. Local law provided that the club had to be cleared by 2:00am so instead of the planned oncore of four songs, Eyes wheels the Harley on stage, the guys blast out a quick rendition of Born To Be Wild and the announcer booms out everbody get the hell out, show is over. Summary and other Happenings - Due to the delay in getting Frankie on stage the band was unable to stick with the original set list which IMHO would have made this the greatest single concert I have ever attended. A thumbs down to the manegment at Jaxx for squeezing in three opening acts. While each of the openers did a fine job and overall the staff at Jaxx did fairly well with set changes the 2:00am time limit should have been considered with the opening acts and reduced accordingly. It is unforgivable to have the headliner make most of the set adjustments when you know you have time limitations. The Oyster Boys themseleves seemed a bit lethargic as Eyes interaction with the audience was the quietest I have ever seen. The guys looked a bit tired physically, (with the weather and airport fouldups who could blame them) though the music was top notch. One hilarious moment occured (thanks to moi) early on in their show when I passed Eyes a 3.5 disk. He came over to take it and said "What's this? People hacve passed me all kinds of strange shit on stage but this is the first time somebody gave me a disk." *Note to Torgo: you are about to become a star my friend!* Since the club was closing and we were all being herded out like cattle the Band did not reappear to mingle with the audience as usual. I caught Miles attention at the side of the stage and flashed him my Secret Treaties and OYFOOYK cd's and motioned for an authograph. He gestured that I meet him in the lobby and he would see what he could do. Out in the lobby I ran into Danny Miranda who autographed both for me. Probably an appropriate time to talk about Danny and John. I think the band has really stumbled on to something with these two guys. I always felt that John Rodgers and Chuck Burgi were pretty good replacements for Al and Joe but that the rythm section of the band was not quite as good. From Danny and Johns performance Friday the rythm section is approaching what it used to be. These guys were fabulous especially Danny. He had a killer solo during Zilla that was top notch while John also threw in a drum solo during the song. I said it earlier on another post but the key to a goood drum solo is the length of the solo and John's was stopwatch perfect not to mention powerful. After securing Danny's autograph Miles met me in the lobby and motioned me inside the dressing room where I got to meet Buck. Extremely likable guy that Buck. We chatted for a few minutes and he patienly signed both cd's ensuring that he was spelling the name right. A couple of Jaxx staff wanted me out of the building but Buck wouldn't let me leave till we shook hands and I presented him with a little something for the road. All in all a real good BOC experieince but I was really looking forward to explaining to Eric what was on the disk, talking to Alan about his keys and buying the whole crew a beer. Maybe next year when they reappear for my annual BOC concert. Just hope they linmit it to two opening acts though. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 23 13:00:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:00:00 PDT Subject: BOC: Solo efforts Message-ID: Craig S. Was it you who said your wife played with FATAL (Frankie And The Actions Live)? IF so tell here that they still crank and Frankie' (I'm assuming is still big). Mike was awsome on vocals and the band really kicked it. They had a pretty good following at the show and have at least two cd's on the market. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 23 13:05:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:05:00 PDT Subject: Member update please? Message-ID: That would be me Dr. Bob. The condensed version is still under construction. We added location a bit too late to make it as part of the dirctory though. Will also provide some vital stats as to how many HW fans, BOC fans, average ages and ladies and gents. AB >I know that someone was doing a survey of list members. Is it possible to >get an update posted to the list? Perhaps a breakdown of members by state >and country? Also interested to know the ratio of males/females on the list. >Thanks for all the work you are doing, whoever you are. >-Dr. Bob >rkohl at state.de.us From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 23 13:05:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:05:00 PDT Subject: BOC: Solo efforts Message-ID: Just a wee bit off topic there Chuck, though its nice to see there are hoop fans on the list. AB >Uhhh, Chuck, was this directed to me? And did I say something to >start this? Confuseded yers.... >Craig S. > > Craig, > > Oh, about the team mascots, have you heard yet that native > Americans Indians plan to protest the games, starting > tomorrow?? Yeah, they're real pissed about both team's mascots (Rest of the stuff deleted...) From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Oct 23 12:09:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:09:00 GMT Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <308BCD55 at houmg001.shl.com> How times change... "I'd like to thank my friend here for giving me this little _disk_" doesn't quite have the same ring to it, does it? :) - Andy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 23 12:59:50 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:59:50 -0400 Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: Adrian writes in his review: >Astronomy followed Cities as Last Days and Veterans were ommitted. A real shame as I looked forward to hearing Eyes belt out Veterans. All 3 were probably never intended to be played -- only ONE of those 3 is played at BOC shows these days (they all have a lengthy Buck solo). About a year ago, they would do it by "audience vote" - Eric would ask which of the 3 the audience wanted to hear and the one that got the biggest cheers would be played. Now, I think the band does whichever one that they feel like doing. >The boys hit the stage and cranked into Stairways which is still a good opener but could probably use some rest for a while. Actually, there's quite a few songs that could use a rest. At least they've made a few recent changes like adding "In Thee", and now "Lips in the Hills". I also think they should try and focus more on some of the new stuff. At least you got to hear 2 of the new ones - lately it seems that they only do one. >ETI cranked as usual. To me this is a very undrated song with a killer groove to it Agreed - but this is definitely a song that could use a little rest - it's probably been in almost every BOC set since 1976. >See You In Black. I have only heard this song twice, but after friday my fondest wish is for a realease of new BOC material as opposed to the rare stuff. This song belongs on a cd. Don't know if I think this is the best of their new stuff, but I definitely agree that it's time for some new BOC material on disc. And it's time that they added more of that new stuff to their shows. >Cities on Flame was next in cue and sounded good but it just dosen't work as well for me without the Bouchard vocals. Hasn't worked for ya in a long time, huh? ;-) Maybe you'll get lucky one day and hear The Brain Surgeons kick this one live - and in a multi- cultural fashion at that! >while John also threw in a drum solo during the song Uh, I don't think John "threw in" a solo - a drum solo during 'Zilla has been standard BOC fare since about 1977. All in all, sounded like a really cool show. Too bad that the Jaxx management had their heads up their asses in terms cutting the headliner's time due to mishaps with the opening act. Sheesh. John From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Oct 23 13:51:06 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:51:06 -0400 Subject: BOC: FATAL In-Reply-To: <308BCD5B@houmg001.shl.com> from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Oct 23, 95 10:00:00 am Message-ID: > > Craig S. > Was it you who said your wife played with FATAL (Frankie And The Actions > Live)? IF so tell here that they still crank and Frankie' (I'm assuming is > still big). Mike was awsome on vocals and the band really kicked it. They > had a pretty good following at the show and have at least two cd's on the > market. > > AB > Ya, that was me. But it was only in high school guitar class (and I hate to admit this) 20-some-odd years ago. Frankie (the big guy on guitar) is an English teacher by day, FYI... Gotta get my hands on their CD's at some point... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Oct 23 14:05:24 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 18:05:24 GMT Subject: HW Alien (I Am) In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:12:00 BST-1 Message-ID: > > Which was the last album to have a lyrics insert? Was it _Church_? > Did the lyrics booklet actually come with the album or was it one of those cases where it was the equivalent of a tour programme and you added it to the album afterwards? They did this with the Hawklords 25 Years album but I never bought Church of... when it first came out {shame!!!} so I've no idea! Sonic Attack was the last album with a lyrics sheet as such. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 23 16:08:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:08:00 PDT Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: Adrian writes in his review: >Astronomy followed Cities as Last Days and Veterans were ommitted. A real shame as I looked forward to hearing Eyes belt out Veterans. >All 3 were probably never intended to be played -- only ONE of those 3 >is played at BOC shows these days (they all have a lengthy Buck solo). Well then I would suggest they played the right one, Astronomy, I love this song live or studio. It also means that the only true ommission aside from the encore songs was the choice between Before the Kiss and Teen Archer as they were skipped altogether. Anybody recall the last time they did Archer live? And while I love Lips, I am a bit miffed that ME262 had to bite the bullet to make room for Lips. For whatever reason this change was made prior to the set. >The boys hit the stage and cranked into Stairways which is still a good opener but could probably use some rest for a while. >Actually, there's quite a few songs that could use a rest. At least >they've made a few recent changes like adding "In Thee", and now "Lips >in the Hills". I also think they should try and focus more on some of >the new stuff. At least you got to hear 2 of the new ones - lately it >seems that they only do one. Would agree there. Take Me Away would do the trick in my mind. I think its a natural opener. >ETI cranked as usual. To me this is a very undrated song with a killer groove to it >Agreed - but this is definitely a song that could use a little rest - it's >probably been in almost every BOC set since 1976. Well, it has been around for a while but as the only other song I have ever heard get some radio time I vote they keep this and drop at least two of the other three Zilla and Burnin'. Reaper they could move to accoustic which would probably give it a bit more life. >See You In Black. I have only heard this song twice, but after friday >my fondest wish is for a realease of new BOC material as opposed to the rare >stuff. This song belongs on a cd. >Don't know if I think this is the best of their new stuff, but I definitely >agree that it's time for some new BOC material on disc. And it's time >that they added more of that new stuff to their shows. If they have a few others as good as Black and Harvest Moon then by all means add them to the set. You never know who might be in the audience. Perhaps a small label looking for a name to add it some legitimacy. Still some of the newer songs would significantly liven the set; both Black and Moon were well recieved by the audience. In addition, I guess Black isn't really a new song since I also heard it in 94. >Cities on Flame was next in cue and sounded good but it just dosen't work as well for me without the Bouchard vocals. >Hasn't worked for ya in a long time, huh? ;-) Maybe you'll get lucky >one day and hear The Brain Surgeons kick this one live - and in a multi- >cultural fashion at that! No doubt there is something about those Bouchard vocals. This I think is a candidate to be either dropped from the set or at least see if Danny or John can sing it. Of all the BOC songs this one just doesn't fit Eyes and I could never imagine Buck trying to sing it. When I made my BOC live compilation you can bet I reached for my OYFOOYK cd to lay this one on tape. Speaking of the Surgeons any word from Jaxx about a date yet.? Just remember Al & Deb come out in the audience before the set so we can buy you guys some beer. >while John also threw in a drum solo during the song >Uh, I don't think John "threw in" a solo - a drum solo during 'Zilla has >been standard BOC fare since about 1977. Threw in is probably not a very appropriate word. A year ago I don't remember much of a drum solo on Reaper, If Chuck played one it wasn't very memorable. Not to Flame Chuck or John Rodgers but the rythm section seemed much livelier last night than in 94. Hope Danny and John stick around for a long time. >All in all, sounded like a really cool show. Too bad that the Jaxx >management had their heads up their asses in terms cutting the headliner's >time due to mishaps with the opening act. Sheesh. Yeah but what can you do. Jaxx is a bit small as venues go and I'm sure Jay was trying to maximize revenues as much as possible. Ages of Fortune dosen't have a big following yet, but Slow Acid Factor and Frankie and the Actions brought quite a crowd with them. Not to seem chauvinstic but that big guy Frankie seemed to draw quite a few gorgeous women out of the crowd when he hit the stage. I have only seen one other band in this area with more women swooning, Faux Savant. Ooops back to the point. Talking to Jay, the manager, Jaxx is just a bit too small as far as venues go to really charge cheap cover prices and reasonable beer prices to make good money. A club like AL Gators with maybe 4-5 times the capacity of Jaxx can charge you $8 to see BOC while Jaxx must make it $15. Hell Kansas tickets at Jaxx were $25. A bud Ice will cost you $4.00 a bottle. To top it all off they are required to close the club at 2:00 am no exceptions. It could have been much worse, Arlington, which is closer to DC requires no live acts after 12 midnite. So I have to be fair they did a good job and as one of only three good clubs bringing national acts to the area I hope they can survive for another few years. Hopefully by next year if the boys return to this area I'll make the trip to Gators in MD. >John AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 23 16:14:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:14:00 PDT Subject: BOC: FATAL Message-ID: > > Craig S. > Was it you who said your wife played with FATAL (Frankie And The Actions > Live)? IF so tell here that they still crank and Frankie' (I'm assuming is > still big). Mike was awsome on vocals and the band really kicked it. They > had a pretty good following at the show and have at least two cd's on the > market. > > AB > >Ya, that was me. But it was only in high school guitar class (and I hate to >admit this) 20-some-odd years ago. Frankie (the big guy on guitar) is an >English teacher by day, FYI... Gotta get my hands on their CD's at some >point... Geddaoudahere! Frankie an English teacher? Gotta tell you I was wondering there for a moment Mr. Shipley. When these guys set foot on stage they looked real sinister. Bet my buddy a Bud that they were a death metal band (looked a whole lot like a group from Arlington, TX called Solitude Aeturnus). Needless to say I had to pass my friend a cold one. It also explains why their was so many screaming young (and I do mean young) ladies dancing in front of the stage. A shame though as one of the young ladies told me I could get a tape from the band, when I asked Frankie he told me to see mike the lead singer, he would be in front of the stage to catch the cult. Poor mike, with that crowd I don't think he came within twenty feet of the stage. If I see any on sale I let you know. AB From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 23 14:55:14 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 18:55:14 +0000 Subject: HW: Alan's Bass Setup In-Reply-To: <32AD52310101367C@-SMF-> from "Chris Bates" at Oct 23, 95 03:55:20 pm Message-ID: > p.s. If anyone in the Sheffield/Leeds/Nottingham areas wants a guitarist > who's influenced by Brock Angus Young and Ted Nugent for a space or > progressive rock band feel free to email me............................. Unfortunately, I need you in the Cambridge area! Ah, well ... Cheers, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 23 15:04:06 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:04:06 -0400 Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: >Well then I would suggest they played the right one, Astronomy I think when the audience had its choice, Astronomy won out most of the time. IMHO its the most "classic" of the 3, and probably deserves to be in most BOC sets. But, variety is the spice of life . . . >Anybody recall the last time they did Archer live? Don't know if this was the last time, but I believe it was on a setlist back in March of '95. >I am a bit miffed that ME262 had to bite the bullet to make room for Lips. Well, gotta remove something. And I can guarantee ya that ME262 will go before Burnin' For You will. Definitely a plus though to get Lips back in the set - not only does it mark a change of pace from the standard sets, but also brings back a blast from the past that's directly aimed at the more hardcore fans. And, like several other BOC classics, this one (ME-262, that is) has been part of the set for around 20 years. >drop at least two of the other three Zilla and Burnin'. NOT gonna happen - and it probably shouldn't either. Would you expect Black Sabbath to drop Iron Man and Paranoid? How 'bout Deep Purple dropping Smoke on the Water and Highway Star? I like the idea of trying to do the songs in a new way (i.e. perhaps Reaper acoustic), but these tunes will be gone from the set only when BOC is gone from the stage. >In addition, I guess Black isn't really a new song since I also heard it in 94 Well, Harvest Moon has been around since about 1990. Still Burnin', Power Underneath Despair, and Cold Grey Light of Dawn have been around since at least 1992, maybe earlier. Then, there's the Bad Channel's tunes as well, although Bolle told me that Eric said that they will no longer be in any BOC sets. >Of all the BOC songs this one just doesn't fit Eyes and I could never imagine Buck trying to sing it (Cities on Flame) Well, when Buck, Ron Riddle, and Jon Rogers played in The Red and the Black, guess who sang "Cities on Flame"? Yep, and it does sound a bit different with Buck's vocals. Also, Joe Bouchard sang it in his band The Cult Brothers - so I've heard 4 of the 5 original members sing it. John From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Oct 23 16:02:03 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:02:03 -0500 Subject: All-Nighter: live tapes? Message-ID: With so many BOC-Lers at the recent shows, has anybody dubbed any Porcupine Tree tapes of these shows? (I know the HW is probably being pretty well covered...) If so, and if you're in a tradin' mood, please feel free to contact me. I have mucho HW, but P.Tree is something I greatly desire. ;-) (Of course, I'll happily trade for HW tapes from this tour!) Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 23 15:04:22 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:04:22 +0000 Subject: We all have our own versions...Brixton 21/10 In-Reply-To: from "Maxine Wesley" at Oct 23, 95 02:18:23 pm Message-ID: > > I dunno. How can one attract any kind of following by standing > > so far back that even the really keen punters in the front can't see you. > > The Orb are doing well out of exactly that format - when I saw them they > were merely silhouettes of blokes in bobble hats playing records (not an > instrument in sight). It's a cult thing? Sounds dead boring--one could probably attend a gig of equal excitement without actually leaving home (with suitable accompaniments to the music!). "Yeah, it was brilliant. I've never heard anyone press an "ON" switch like that before ..." Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 23 15:09:33 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:09:33 +0000 Subject: HW: Were you at the same gig? In-Reply-To: <9510231343.AA01108@etlxd20c> from "Rob S" at Oct 23, 95 02:43:59 pm Message-ID: > The robot which he controlled using what seemed > to be a portable stereo's graphic equalliser added a fun > element, we all knew it wouldn't be the best in robotics > technology, after all this is Hawkwind not Pink Floyd. Hey, I liked the robot! :) > At least Brock is playing his guitar more That in fairness, is true. I was actually surprised once or twice by the prominence of the guitar, since Brock has been hiding in the back of the mix as well as the back of the stage of late. Now if only he'd given that wah pedal a good workout .... > I think the reason > for being so far back on the stage was to allow them to set > their gear up behind the curtain to allow for a faster > changeover time after the previous band, but it would have > been better if they were closer to the audience. They should put it on wheeled units and wheel everything into place and plug it in before the set. Yeah, that would take a little longer than having everything already set up (in the next county) but the pros outweigh the cons. > Nice to put a face to some of the names on the list, > though a word of warning...don't buy any chocolate from Carl. :) Next time, I'll keep it in my _outer_ pocket! ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 23 15:14:48 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:14:48 +0000 Subject: OFFTOP: B. Frond (was Re: HW: London review) In-Reply-To: <25423.9510231310@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Oct 23, 95 02:10:47 pm Message-ID: > > > But there is some good news, Bevis Frond are touring > > > Germany in November. > > > > And England as well. The Boat Race in Cambridge on the 26th > > or 27th. I'm quite looking forward to that .... > > Hmmm. About that floorspace of yours Carl.... Yes indeed. Plenty of room on the floor, though I'm afraid I'm haven't got quite the pillow facilities that Andy has (which is to say, I haven't got any) so all guests must supply their own padding. (The floor is, at least, carpeted though). And we probably can't play Dwight Yoakam all night since the other students would string us up (possibly more for it being DY than it being 3 in the morning ;) Cheers, Carl From reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM Mon Oct 23 15:24:35 1995 From: reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:24:35 EDT Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: Did AB say 200-300 people? Why does BOC bother? Is it really worth it to them? Mabye one of you guys has some insight there. It's really amazing that they have the energy and conviction to do these little gigs. It certainly can't be for the $$. RR From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Mon Oct 23 15:49:02 1995 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:49:02 -0500 Subject: We all have our own versions...Brixton 21/10 In-Reply-To: "Carl E. Anderson" "Re: We all have our own versions...Brixton 21/10" (Oct 23, 7:04pm) Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > > I dunno. How can one attract any kind of following by standing > > > so far back that even the really keen punters in the front can't see you. > > > > The Orb are doing well out of exactly that format - when I saw them they > > were merely silhouettes of blokes in bobble hats playing records (not an > > instrument in sight). It's a cult thing? > > Sounds dead boring--one could probably attend a gig of equal > excitement without actually leaving home (with suitable accompaniments > to the music!). > > "Yeah, it was brilliant. I've never heard anyone press an > "ON" switch like that before ..." Didn't Aphex Twin do a "live" concert where they sent the signals through to the concert hall from a remote location via a digital link-up? Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (708) 576-3110 | fax: (708) 576-3240 Whether they ever find life there or not, I think Jupiter should be considered an enemy planet. -- Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey [SNL] From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Oct 23 16:01:13 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:01:13 -0400 Subject: We all have our own versions...Brixton 21/10 In-Reply-To: <9510231449.ZM7957@unknown.zmail.host> from "Frank Weil" at Oct 23, 95 02:49:02 pm Message-ID: > > Carl E. Anderson wrote: CHOMP! > > > > Sounds dead boring--one could probably attend a gig of equal > > excitement without actually leaving home (with suitable accompaniments > > to the music!). > > > > "Yeah, it was brilliant. I've never heard anyone press an > > "ON" switch like that before ..." > Yeah, wonder when some "artist" is gonna walk on-stage with his banks of synths, samplers and FX and merely boot up his computer, fire the "program" off and leave the stage, only to return when the "performance" is over to turn it all off. > Didn't Aphex Twin do a "live" concert where they sent the signals > through to the concert hall from a remote location via a digital > link-up? > Actually, I think that was Future Sound Of London with their "ISDN" release, which used the ISDN medium to perform their music around the world simultaneously. (The CD of ISDN may be of the performance, not sure, gotta read the liner notes a little more carefully...). > Frank > > -- > =============================================================================== > Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (708) 576-3110 | fax: (708) 576-3240 > > Whether they ever find life there or not, I think Jupiter should be > considered an enemy planet. -- Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey [SNL] > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 23 17:58:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:58:00 PDT Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: >Did AB say 200-300 people? >Why does BOC bother? Is it really worth it to them? Mabye one >of you guys has some insight there. >It's really amazing that they have the energy and conviction to >do these little gigs. It certainly can't be for the $$. >RR I don't know RR, Jaxx can't fit much more than that without the fire marshal shutting them down, and that would include the resturant area where you can't see the stage. They are certainly making enough to keep doing this, paying drummers and bass players and I imagine enough to put bread on the table at home. I personally don't think this speaks badly for them, if so then what does it say about groups like Kansas, Dokken, Ace Frehely, the Outlaws, Pat Travers or Leslie West and Mountain, all of which have played this club in the last few months. Maybe some of the name guys prefer this to the alternatives. The alternatives being touring with other former headliners for example - Bad Company and Nugent, Beck & Santana, Steve Miller and the Doobies, Pat Benetar, REO Speedwagon and Fleetwood Mac(?). The other is to get a big corporate sponsor or to open for one of the new "great bands of the moment". Face it there are only so many venues and a whole lot of bands out there. At least this way the band has a bit more control over where and when they play. And with Record companies demanding already completed albums (established bands) or for a band to sign its life away (new talent) some bands don't really have that many alternatives. Personally I like the older groups playing these smaller places. The $125 ticket to see the Eagles was way out of my price range, not to mention I have no desire to one amongst 20,000. No flame guy but I don't see what the big deal is. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 23 18:20:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:20:00 PDT Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: >Well then I would suggest they played the right one, Astronomy >I think when the audience had its choice, Astronomy won out most of the >time. IMHO its the most "classic" of the 3, and probably deserves to >be in most BOC sets. But, variety is the spice of life . . . How about a big BOC-L push for bringing back the Subhuman? O.k. so its old but just listen to this song on OYFOOYK, it is one marvelous number. >Anybody recall the last time they did Archer live? >Don't know if this was the last time, but I believe it was on a setlist >back in March of '95. I think it would have been great to hear this one. I think people have registered a firm vote against medelys but I still think such a thing can work with BOC. A little Baby Ice Dog, some Cagey Cretins, oh yeah..... >I am a bit miffed that ME262 had to bite the bullet to make room for Lips. >Well, gotta remove something. And I can guarantee ya that ME262 will go >before Burnin' For You will. Definitely a plus though to get Lips back >in the set - not only does it mark a change of pace from the standard >sets, but also brings back a blast from the past that's directly aimed >at the more hardcore fans. And, like several other BOC classics, this >one (ME-262, that is) has been part of the set for around 20 years. Yeah I know but ME262 is very nostalgic for me. When I saw them for the first time in '75 they blew the roof off with this one and I just can't get it out of my mind. But if could offer the band any advice about the set list Burnin for You would be history. Its not a bad song but they have much better ones in the inventory and since they refuse to let Godzilla return to monster Island one of them 3 gotta go. As for Lips yeah that was really a suprise. Don't know what made them decide to do it but it was definitely spur of the moment. Eric had to reference the lyrics from the monitor in front of him. They must have been practicing it for later shows and just decided friday was a good place to start. >drop at least two of the other three Zilla and Burnin'. >NOT gonna happen - and it probably shouldn't either. Would you expect >Black Sabbath to drop Iron Man and Paranoid? How 'bout Deep Purple >dropping Smoke on the Water and Highway Star? I like the idea of trying >to do the songs in a new way (i.e. perhaps Reaper acoustic), but these >tunes will be gone from the set only when BOC is gone from the stage. Sure I would. Just like Nugent dosen't always play Stranglehold anymore. Sometimes a classic song just needs a real break. Godzilla really didn't get a major reaction out of the crowd. Probably way too many BOC veteran fans who have had their fill of the song. I understand why they play it evertime I just don't like it. >In addition, I guess Black isn't really a new song since I also heard it in 94 >Well, Harvest Moon has been around since about 1990. Still Burnin', >Power Underneath Despair, and Cold Grey Light of Dawn have been around >since at least 1992, maybe earlier. Then, there's the Bad Channel's >tunes as well, although Bolle told me that Eric said that they will no >longer be in any BOC sets. Maybey they can title the new album "BOC the Last Five Years or So". Seriously, they really should take one last shot at putting these on disc even if they have to do it themselves. I mean they know a lot of other artist most of which have their own recording studios to make this thing. They only need someone to market and promote it. Hell sell it themselves at concerts, throw a few copies at radio stations and make record stores want to get a cut of the profits. >Of all the BOC songs this one just doesn't fit Eyes and I could never imagine Buck trying to sing it (Cities on Flame) >Well, when Buck, Ron Riddle, and Jon Rogers played in The Red and the >Black, guess who sang "Cities on Flame"? Yep, and it does sound a bit >different with Buck's vocals. Also, Joe Bouchard sang it in his band >The Cult Brothers - so I've heard 4 of the 5 original members sing it. Interesting. Still even without hearing it I'll take the Cult Borthers vVersion or the BRain Surgeons over Buck or Eyes. This song demands a Bouchard voice. BTW which version do you prefer John, I vote for Al. Smiling all the way home. AB From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 23 16:33:36 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:33:36 -0400 Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: RR writes: >Did AB say 200-300 people? Why does BOC bother? Is it really worth it to them? Mabye one of you guys has some insight there. Well, that seems small even for a current BOC crowd. When I saw them in New Hampshire this year they had easily 2 to 3 times that number. John From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Oct 23 16:54:31 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:54:31 -0400 Subject: HW: Upcoming releases Message-ID: FYI...US HW CD's...(ok an OT,too) Subject: NEW AND UPCOMING CD RELEASES, WEEKLY LIST: 1995-Oct-23 NOTATIONS: * An asterisk indicates an entry that is new or changed since the last list. + A plus indicates that an entry has been postponed - A plus indicates that an entry has been moved forward R Best Of/Archive/Greatest Hits release, containing primarily older and/or previously released material. r Re-release. D Release that has been delayed indefinitely. AR Already released. (Previously listed under a future date.) MO/DY and MO/YR are the formats used for dates. The month is always listed first. Entries marked MO/YR (95 or 96) are approximate and are listed after each month's exact entries (MO/DY). LISTING: 10/24 Ozric Tentacles Become the Other IRS/db ....now rumored to be on Columbia/Sony, not IRS... +r 10/31 Hawkwind Independents Day Was this ever released on CD before? I know about the EP, but on CD?!? +R 10/31 Hawkwind Mighty Classics: 1980-1985 *R 11/07 Hawkwind Friends & Relations: Rarities *R 11/07 Hawkwind Friends & Relations: Best of DISCLAIMERS: Dates given are U.S. release dates (generally Tuesday), unless otherwise indicated. Release dates could change without notice. This list might contain errors and may not be complete. In the event of conflicting dates from different sources, generally the later date will be used. -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Oct 23 16:54:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:54:00 GMT Subject: HW Alien (I Am) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9510231805.aa12887 at uk.ac.ed.castle> > > > > Which was the last album to have a lyrics insert? Was it _Church_? > > > > Did the lyrics booklet actually come with the album or was it one of > those cases where it was the equivalent of a tour programme and you > added it to the album afterwards? They did this with the Hawklords 25 > Years album but I never bought Church of... when it first came out > {shame!!!} so I've no idea! Sonic Attack was the last album with > a lyrics sheet as such. I'm sure my _Church_ came with booklet included. Though I wouldn't swear to in in a court of law. I did get mine the day it came out - same day as _Extra Terrestrial Live_! :) You're right, _SA_ had that sheet with the merchandise order form on the back. I remember a friend looking at it and taking the piss out of the "Psychosonia" lyrics... "Abu-wabu mabu-dabu?!?" Yeah, that _25 Years On_ booklet was neat, wasn't it! - Andy From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Oct 23 16:54:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:54:00 GMT Subject: OFFTOP: B. Frond (was Re: HW: London review) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Carl sez > And we probably can't play Dwight Yoakam all night since the > other students would string us up (possibly more for it being DY than it > being 3 in the morning ;) > I knew I was going to take some stick for that! But I think DY only lasted about 10 seconds before howls of protest caused me to hit the eject button. And I'll have you know that James Hetfield has been seen in a DY T-shirt before now! :) - Andy PS At least I didn't play the Celine Dion album :)) PPS And I don't have *any* Enya records! From reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM Mon Oct 23 17:26:46 1995 From: reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:26:46 EDT Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: Sorry about the negative tone. Just that it really seems these guys (BOC) must be broke. I've seen BOC get ready for the big tours many times at the small clubs and those were always the best shows. But that`s all they do now. I just can't figure it out. The total revenue at a small show like that has got to be less than 20K$. Take out expenses and what's left? Mere peanuts! I just checked their tour sched. It's really quite busy. Night after night for so little. Like I said, it's a tribute to them. It seems they must really enjoy doing the shows. I just can't see it being worth it from a financial point of view. I thought someone might have some other views on why they are "on tour forever". RR From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Oct 23 19:09:13 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:09:13 -0600 Subject: BOC: London date In-Reply-To: <9510230946.AA21533@phinet.sb.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY wrote: > > Got a message a few days age from Melne at the BOC fan club and these > > are the confirmed dates for Europe; > > > 12/13 London, UK > > 12/14 Paris, FRA > > 12/15+16 Athens, GR > > > Hope you enjoy the gigs if you go........Manuel in NM > > > Jean Delacour > > How come Athens gets two gigs? Are BOC more popular in Greece > than any other European country? > Is there anybody out there on this list in Greece who can enlighten us? > > .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com > Charlie- When BOC reformed in 1987, they did it primarily because they were made a good deal thru some Greek promoters. After those gigs, BOC decided to stay together in oreder to "make a living". So Greece does love BOC. Later.......... Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Oct 24 11:50:56 1995 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:50:56 EST Subject: HW: Down thru the night In-Reply-To: ; from "Paul G Ward" at Oct 23, 95 08:00:28 pm Message-ID: > > > Having just driven home on Saturday night from a family gathering, > mere hours after the Brixton All-nighter would have finished, I > stepped outside for a cigarrete. > > And what do I hear: 'Down thru the night' sinuating it's way across > suburbia through the sound of Melbourne rain! > Well I had been playing space ritual saturday evening ,just before I went out around 8.30 pm ,so maybe there was a cloud inversion over Coburg,and the ALI|ENSheard the space ritual and decided to throw the sound 20/30 kms a few hours later :-) On a side note I found a record shop in Melbourne where they had a few HW and TNT HW cd's.The guy behind the counter is a HW fan ,and talked about them supposedly coming to OZ in 1974,it supposedly got canned due to the drug relatedissues of the band.I know they we're meant to come here in 1978,but good old douglas had creamed the money. This guy also saw the Australian Hawklords,they only did 3 gigs apparently , as they were in other bands ,and I guess the demand wasn't there. Any of the muso's on the list coming for a holiday here? regards Marty p.s Paul it was Heartland records opposite Vic market. From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Oct 23 21:50:01 1995 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 21:50:01 -0400 Subject: We all have our own versions...Brixton 21/10 Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-23 09:44:01 EDT, you write: >My own complaints are much more about things that _could_ be >really unfortunate if they grow out of control (ie. Brock phones in his >performance from Devon, etc.). Hmmm this is very interesting. A HW gig with no members of the band at the venue. Everything would be fed into the ole computer (at Devon) then modemed over to the gig. Just sequencers, lights and 8 X 10 color glossies of the boyz behind the machines. But they will never be able to replace the naked lady in the cage;-) regards, Bill Stewart From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Mon Oct 23 11:01:41 1995 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:01:41 GMT Subject: HW: London review In-Reply-To: <22574.9510221755@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> (from Dave Berry ) (at Sun, 22 Oct 1995 17:55:53 +0000) Message-ID: I saw them in Wolverhampton on Friday night and I sort of agree about 8 out of 10. I assumed they were holding something back for the London gig but obviously not. Maybe its just 11 consecutive nights of gigging taking its toll. I think hearing the new album first would have helped as would the sound mix being better and Dave coming out from behind his keyboards occasionally. I still enjoyed them though and some of the new stuff sounded incredible, now if only we could actually get to hear it on record. From skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM Tue Oct 24 00:51:23 1995 From: skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM (Skip Galvin) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 21:51:23 -0700 Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST In-Reply-To: <308BF84F@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: Adrian wrote: Anybody recall the last time they did Archer live? Last time I saw 'em do this one was March of '93. I recall some guy yelling for this one at a show back in the late eighties. I figured he'd never get his wish but I was pleasantly surprised. --Skip From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Oct 24 01:52:29 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 06:52:29 +0100 Subject: HW: Nova Drive Boot Message-ID: does anybody know anything about the new Nova Drive boot from the US? this is supposed to be the tracklist: Born to go, Spirit of the age, Nova drive, Alien, Silver Machine, Sputnik Stan, Terra Mystica, Wastelands..., ...Cold War Kid, Damage of Life, Paradox, Magnu. Playtime 70 minutes. rumour says an American dude has collected live US broadcasts from the nineties, and done a 'best of' on a CD Recordable. true? has anybody heard it? is it worth a buy? (just kidding - every HW item is more or less worth a buy, even the Undisclosed Metal Box...) \\joe hawkjoe at eka.ericsson.se '...maa dina fienders skaegg vaexa inaat' From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Oct 24 17:05:27 1995 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:05:27 EST Subject: Hawkwind Live In-Reply-To: <9510171408.AA25179@eng.hud.ac.uk>; from "K_Barton@eng.hud.ac.uk" at Oct 17, 95 03:08:52 pm Message-ID: Gloating over the reports of Hawkwind touring,reminded me of going to gigs in the '70's.There always used to be a shout of "wally" ,yep it seems pretty strange ,but someone used to shout it out and there would normally be a mass of replies.Does this still happen ? was it a left over thing from the hippy days,or was it a Portsmouth and Scumhampton thing. regards Marty (pissed of that work wouldn't allow me a week off ,to fly back) From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Oct 24 17:33:32 1995 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:33:32 EST Subject: HW Alien (I Am) In-Reply-To: ; from "Andrew Gilham" at Oct 23, 95 08:54:00 pm Message-ID: > > In-Reply-To: <9510231805.aa12887 at uk.ac.ed.castle> > > > > > > Which was the last album to have a lyrics insert? Was it _Church_? > > > > > > > Did the lyrics booklet actually come with the album or was it one of > > those cases where it was the equivalent of a tour programme and you > > added it to the album afterwards? They did this with the Hawklords 25 > > Years album but I never bought Church of... when it first came out > > {shame!!!} so I've no idea! Sonic Attack was the last album with > > a lyrics sheet as such. > > I'm sure my _Church_ came with booklet included. Though I wouldn't swear > to in in a court of law. I did get mine the day it came out - same day > as _Extra Terrestrial Live_! :) > > You're right, _SA_ had that sheet with the merchandise order form on the > back. I remember a friend looking at it and taking the piss out of the > "Psychosonia" lyrics... "Abu-wabu mabu-dabu?!?" > > Yeah, that _25 Years On_ booklet was neat, wasn't it! > Is the _25 Years On_ booklet the grey tour program,with the statement "there are no car doors in heaven,when the angels are on the ground" ? or something like that,i'll have to check tonight. regards Marty > - Andy > From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue Oct 24 05:40:59 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:40:59 GMT Subject: HW: Nova Drive Boot Message-ID: Hi Joe, have you received ET yet? It's almost a week since I sent it. cheers - Rob From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Tue Oct 24 06:18:28 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:18:28 +0000 Subject: Gong and Motorhead Message-ID: Just got these tourdates from The Beat - the on-line gig guide for the midlands Wednesday Oct 25th DAAVID ALLAN (of Planet Gong) and SWING HOLIDAY entertain at The Charlotte. Sunday 29th Oct The Queen's Hall of Leicester Uni have the godfathers of thrash; MOTORHEAD Can't beat buzzing ear drums first thing on a monday morning! Yippeee, two decent gigs in one week (ooops that'll be 3 including HW) for those interested in Midland Venues check out http://www.innotts.co.uk/~deejay/index.html Maxine From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Tue Oct 24 07:20:22 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 07:20:22 EDT Subject: "small clubs" debate Message-ID: I have to agree with RR. Having seen BOC in 1982 outdoors with the huge Zilla rising from behind the stage, pyrotechnics, etc., and then seeing them at a large club in Philadelphia (approx. 1989 or so), I'll take the outdoor concert anytime. Despite the thousands of people (compared to hundreds indoors), it was definitely a better show outside. Also, the energy of the crowd is much better at the large outdoor shows. One area I might disagree with RR is where he says that BOC is playing more for the love of the music than to make big bucks. I think they're just doing what they're best at to make a living, just like the rest of us working stiffs who go to work everyday. This is a real shame, because I remember a time when they did it for the love of the music, as RR says, and when they fed off the energy of the crowd going nuts. Now it seems to be just a job to do. A pity, really. -Dr. Bob rkohl at state.de.us From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 24 09:14:58 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:14:58 GMT Subject: HW: Nova Drive Boot In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Tue, 24 Oct 1995 06:52:29 +0100 Message-ID: > does anybody know anything about the new Nova Drive boot from the US? > > this is supposed to be the tracklist: > Born to go, Spirit of the age, Nova drive, Alien, Silver Machine, Sputnik > Stan, Terra Mystica, Wastelands..., ...Cold War Kid, Damage of Life, > Paradox, Magnu. > Playtime 70 minutes. > > rumour says an American dude has collected live US broadcasts from the > nineties, and done a 'best of' on a CD Recordable. > true? > ditto - if anyone comes across this I'd be interested too! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Tue Oct 24 09:34:32 1995 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:34:32 +0100 Subject: HW Alien (I Am) Message-ID: >> Which was the last album to have a lyrics insert? Was it _Church_? >Did the lyrics booklet actually come with the album or was it one of >those cases where it was the equivalent of a tour programme and you >added it to the album afterwards? They did this with the Hawklords 25 >Years album but I never bought Church of... when it first came out >{shame!!!} so I've no idea! Sonic Attack was the last album with >a lyrics sheet as such. I thought Chronicle of the Black Sword was... Well at least the Ltd Edition Flicknife LP did. Derrick... --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk Talk Waylander at 147.188.64.112 "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. |--| % }===={ --------------------------------------------- From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Oct 24 11:18:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:18:00 GMT Subject: HW Alien (I Am) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9510241334.AA11598 at sun1.bham.ac.uk> > >> Which was the last album to have a lyrics insert? Was it _Church_? > > I thought Chronicle of the Black Sword was... > Well at least the Ltd Edition Flicknife LP did. > > Derrick... Oops, yes, you're right! Must have blanked it out or something! :) And just to prove how unreliable my memory is, the merchandise and lyrics sheets were actually separate in _SA_. And there's a note from Dave on it as well, which in part reads, "we decided not to get a keyboard player as Harvey and me could do it". - Andy From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Oct 24 11:18:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 08:18:00 PDT Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: RR writes: >Did AB say 200-300 people? >Why does BOC bother? Is it really worth it to them? Mabye one >of you guys has some insight there. >Well, that seems small even for a current BOC crowd. When I saw them >in New Hampshire this year they had easily 2 to 3 times that number. >John I respsponded to RR a bit earlier, but for the record Jaxx is a rather small club. You won't get many more people than that inside. There were lots of out of state plates in the parking lot so some people did some traveling to get there too. Also bear in mind the Washington DC metro area has never been really big on rock & roll. In the latest ratings for radio stations the highest ranked rock station was the alternative station at 11th, DC101 at 12 and the classic station at 15th. The top ten included everything from R&B, C&W and all news formats. Should tell you a wee bit about the music scene here. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Oct 24 11:22:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 08:22:00 PDT Subject: Monster Magnet Invades Wash DC. Message-ID: Quick note to local fans of Monster Magnet, they will be playing at the 9:30 club October 30th. The add says that there will be free MM cd singles, matches and stickers. Five in the player OYFOOYK - U no Contagious - Y&T Beast from the East - Dokken Mane Attraction - White Lion Call of the Wild - Amboy Dukes AB From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Oct 24 11:31:35 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:31:35 GMT Subject: HW: London review In-Reply-To: David Jones's message of Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:01:41 GMT Message-ID: > I still enjoyed them though and some of the new stuff > sounded incredible, now if only we could actually get to hear it on record. Yes, much of the new stuff was definitely good. I expect I will even like the synth tracks on the album, where I can hear them properly. Ditto the spoken(?) pieces -- Ron did a spiel of some sort at the beginning of the gig, and another halfway through when he was dressed as the alien, and I couldn't hear a word of either. Dave. From Prozaxs at AOL.COM Tue Oct 24 11:34:23 1995 From: Prozaxs at AOL.COM (Ken Long) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 11:34:23 -0400 Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: I saw them do Teen Archer at Grafitti's near Baltimore last Feb. Ken From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Oct 24 13:19:51 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:19:51 EST Subject: HW: Nova Drive Boot Message-ID: I have talked to someone who has a copy of what I think is the Nova Drive boot (I never caught the name). He quoted me an incomplete tracklist, which included "Terra Mystica" (the only officially released song on the CD -- all others are from live shows). I should have more info on the way, as I have been interested in doing a similar thing. The story I heard is this: A US HW Kollector picked several good quality "favorite" songs from his tape collection, and contracted with a company to press him a CD-Recordable. This same fellow printed up some color inserts to go with the CDs. There are several companies in Goldmine that advertise this service. I have called several for quotes; many are just some guy running a service out of his house. The usual deal is a large amount of US$$ (typically $60 - $120 depending on the company) for the first CD, and a reduced price for every additional copy made (around $20-$30). Part of the process usually involves some digital "cleaning up" of the music source, although some places charge extra for use of this skill/art. So, this guy is selectively selling the extra copies that he had made, along with his inserts. The price I heard is about $30 each. I have not heard how many he actually had pressed, but you can bet that this is a VERY small run (perhaps only 5 or 10 extra copies). Of course, the hardest part of doing this is finding people to buy these copies from you...neither of the two people connected to this are "on-line". And even if they were, there are still potential legal issues to worry about. ---------------------------------------------------------- I myself am a Software Engineer who has just recently spent time getting a Pinnacle Micro CD-Recorder working, so that my company can start shipping our software on CD. I have successfully burned UNIX and Windows CDs, as well as a one-off copy of Myst. ;^) I am using a UNIX system. I have already tried using a P90 PCI PC to burn CD-Rs with *no* success; I conclude that I will have to buy about $1500 worth of high-speed AV hard disk in order to do it without error. I have even purchased "Wave For Windows", which has a (non-file-size-limited) ability to adjust, modify, and "clean-up" a WAV file, once I have recorded an audio tape to hard disk. All to no avail... :-( If you want to make your own music CD (the most difficult of all CDs to burn), it may be easiest to do what the above guy did -- make one for yourself, and subsidize your cost by selling a few copies. Any additional insights on this subject are appreciated. Captain Cloud From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Oct 24 12:09:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:09:00 PDT Subject: Ages of Fortune Message-ID: The following is from Miles, KB leader of Ages of Fortune. I think you might be hearing more from them soon as they are a pretty good band. I'm glad you enjoyed the show... and tell your friend thanks for the "Buck-fluence" comment (and the Beer) Other people have made that reference, and I kid Buck Dharma about it a lot... I actually don't think I play much like him, but I use the same motivation I think.... I like to create the right "sound" as much as the right "note".. It's hard to describe...... and I'm taller....:) I'll pass along to Lee (who wrote "Curtain...") that you liked it!! and I'll take care of the other request too... The current Ages of Fortune lineup is: Lee Hodge = Bass Miles-Kevin Baron = Lead Rob Johnson = Percussion Irina Tarnowskaya = Keyboards The setlist: (as I recall...) ME-262 (Blue Oyster Cult) Simple But True Circle of Life Inside a Dream...Changes Living Angel When the Curtain Falls (drum solo) Wonder Where She'll Be Hard to Be a Saint in the City (Springsteen) (I Need) No One LIke You Those Who Are Lonely Desire We are scheduled to play "Sunset Grill" November 14th and 29th... Miles I arrived at the show during the third song so I missed the ME262 cover, real bummer. AB From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Tue Oct 24 12:22:07 1995 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:22:07 -0400 Subject: Does Anybody Know Eric's Preferences? Message-ID: Hi Adrian. All I know is that Eric has a Gateway 2000. Ric From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Oct 24 13:04:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:04:00 PDT Subject: "small clubs" debate Message-ID: >I have to agree with RR. Having seen BOC in 1982 outdoors with the huge >Zilla rising from behind the stage, pyrotechnics, etc., and then seeing them >at a large club in Philadelphia (approx. 1989 or so), I'll take the outdoor >concert anytime. Despite the thousands of people (compared to hundreds >indoors), it was definitely a better show outside. Also, the energy of the >crowd is much better at the large outdoor shows. >One area I might disagree with RR is where he says that BOC is playing more >for the love of the music than to make big bucks. I think they're just doing >.what they're best at to make a living, just like the rest of us working >stiffs who go to work everyday. This is a real shame, because I remember a >time when they did it for the love of the music, as RR says, and when they >fed off the energy of the crowd going nuts. Now it seems to be just a job to >do. A pity, really. >-Dr. Bob >rkohl at state.de.us ================================================================== Well Dr. Bob, if you had joined this list several months ago you could have participated in some great threads regarding the financial viability, whats keeping them going, why aren't they bigger, what they could do to get bigger type threads. These threads usually lasted quite some time, annoyed some and generally seemed to come to the same conclusion each time. In the interest of the list I'll try to make some brief points addressing the business side of what they are doing and briefly touch on why they are still going. Business - BOC standard fee for doing a show is approximately $5,000. This may seem like peanuts but multiply that out over 200 shows or more a year and you are talking some pretty good money even after expenses. In addition when you look at their touring schedule they seem to do a lot of criss crossing around the country in a nonsensical manner. It is likely that when you see a tour stop in Penn. one day and playing in New Mexico two days later that the band is not only recovering its standard fee for the performance but having its reasonable travel and living costs covered by the buyer also. We have discussed whether they are still a viable force financially but I think most of it has centered around selling records or the lack of a recording contract. The real key IMHO is right in front of our eyes, there are plenty of concert hall, festival operators that think the band is a good buy otherwise they would not have the schedule they currently do. Also a source close to the band tells me that the Oyster guys are probably doing better now, financially speaking than they did in the seventies. There is much more in the way of expenses with the mega tours, promoters, ticket agents, equipment costs than there is in doing the club circuit. Why are they still doing it? - Judging by the fans ability to meet and talk with the band after most performances, the fact that these guys love coming out and talking I truly believe they are enjoying what they are doing. A guy like Buck could probably make a comfortable living being an instructer or assisting some up and comming musicians with there careers with the added benefit of sleeping in his own bed each night. Alan ditto. Eric has a lot of creative interest that he could probably devote his time to. I believe the band continues to tour because they really love what they are doing. I'm sure its hard for them at times all the travel playing on consecutive nights but they are after all professional musicians and veterans of the music wars; we all have are bad hair days. Yeah they didn't have much of an opportunity tio scchmooze with fans at Jaxx but this was mostly the fault of the club and not the band. In addition they seemed a bit tired but if you saw what the weather was like the night of the show I'm sure they encountered a lot of difficulties in just putting it on. So theres my $.02 on the subject. Middle of the road opinion though becuase I beleive they are still going for a little bit of both reasons. AB From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Tue Oct 24 13:21:37 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:21:37 +0100 Subject: HW: Nova Drive Boot Message-ID: At 06:52 24.10.1995 +0100, you wrote: >does anybody know anything about the new Nova Drive boot from the US? I've got it! The tracks are from: >Born to go, Spirit of the age, Nova drive, Alien, Silver Machine, Sputnik >Stan, Terra Mystica, Wastelands..., ...Cold War Kid, Damage of Life, >Paradox, Magnu. TRACK DATE TOWN, VENUE =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 1 28.05.84 Ramsgate, Marina Park =20 2 13.11.94 K=F6ln, Live Music Hall=20 3 10.11.80 Doncaster, Rotters 4 23.04.95 Boulder, Fox Theatre 5 08.04.95 Springfield, Jaxx 6 23.04.95 Boulder, Fox Theatre 7 Studio Recording 8 22.04.88 London, Hammy Odeon 9 06.10.78 Oxford, New Theatre 10 03.06.89 Woolwich, Coronet 11 08.11.86 Birmingham, Odeon 12 07.10.89 San Francisco, Stone 13 23.04.89 Boulder, Fox Theatre =20 >rumour says an American dude has collected live US broadcasts from the >nineties, and done a 'best of' on a CD Recordable. >true? No! The tracks are from normal audiotapes but the quality is very good The track selection is very good >is it worth a buy? Yes indeed! greetings Bernhard =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de Tel: Germany 0209 398740 Fax: 0209 33785 (16.00h-23.00h CET) From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Tue Oct 24 12:23:46 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:23:46 +0000 Subject: london gig Message-ID: finally made it back: how i miss the parties of londinium out here in ultima thule ha! well, i had great old time: missed e-one in the pub, bumped into a number of people i'd not seen for a while, some i had; got completely off my tits with them and er, enjoyed myself... missed most bands, but, seem to remember not minding back to the planning department; being one of those quite happily surprised by utah saints, and well, i'm in the minority of those on the list who had a really a good time to hawkwind: they sounded good, the robot & tree seemed very funny at the time and the dancers/fire etc caused the occasional diversion when my head needed it... silver machine gave me much laughter; assassins i thought was on top form, dave's guitar sounded great, the bass-heavy sound what i like at a gig and i found the ambient bits generally useful for resting between jumping around (and given that i ended up twisting an already sprained ankle i was pretty pleased by this). anyway, it was a good laugh: even the baron appeared to be grinning quite a lot - or maybe that was at the galatic tour t-shirt he had on ( a personal fave - and it glows:) ) but imagine my surprise to discover that the largely still group standinf to my left were the boc-lers; hey guys, if you don'y have a good time, you won't have a good time!! (oops, this sounds a bit offensive, i don't mean it to be, but yawl did seem kinda, uh, still, no matter, nice to meat you briefly) ...anyway rediscovered my fiends' safe-haven and quite enjoyed the mellowing-off vibe of electrick groove temple or whatever, and well, mellowed off... ygafw From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Oct 24 14:52:59 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:52:59 +0000 Subject: BOC fans Los Angeles In-Reply-To: <308D3814@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: Can anyone advise me on how to arrange to hear the stuff collected in the Museum of Cult? I'll be in Los Angeles next month, and if it were feasible I'd love to get to hear some of BOCs unreleased stuff... Dave From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Oct 24 15:34:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:34:00 PDT Subject: Teen Archer Message-ID: >I saw them do Teen Archer at Grafitti's near Baltimore last Feb. >Ken Glad to see you made it home safely friday night. Took me over an hour and I'm not that far away. AB From TheQuail at CTHULHU.MICROSERVE.COM Tue Oct 24 15:47:37 1995 From: TheQuail at CTHULHU.MICROSERVE.COM (The Great Quail) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:47:37 GMT Subject: [HW] update on cover project Message-ID: Gro-dog hath written: >> I can't copy it because of tape deck trouble (be carefule when moving...) >> but I can send you my Alien Sex Fiend CD with Silver Machine on it. > >I think Allen Ruch said he had a copy of this as well, so maybe he could >drop Dave and I the copies? yes, I have Alien Sex Fiend's Silver Machine. Just relay to me instuctions and I shall follow them. Long live the Silver Sex Alien Machine. I am in receive mode. The Computer wants you to send instructions that will make me happy. BTW - I do want copies of the HW cover tapes, of course. Log me in. Over and out. The Space Quail ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail | TheQuail at cthulhu.microserve.com riverrun Discordian Society | AOL: LordArioch c/o Allen Ruch | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: 315 Second Street | http://www.microserve.com/~thequail Enola, PA 17025 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Oct 24 15:49:13 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:49:13 -0400 Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-24 00:51:30 EDT, you write: >Adrian wrote: >Anybody recall the last time they did Archer >live? saw 'em play Archer in Feb 95 in Harrisburg...it's kewl to see it, but it's not a crowd pleaser...good tune though! ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Oct 24 15:49:15 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:49:15 -0400 Subject: Sony Web site Message-ID: from the BOC newsgroup, a note from Eric "Manny" "Fartknocker" Bloom... Subject: Sony adds a Web Page From: oystrboy at aol.com (OYSTRBOY) Date: 23 Oct 1995 15:18:48 -0400 Hi...Sony has created a Web site about BOC...it should be available Tuesday the 24th..the Web address is the following: http://www.sony.com ROBO "Assmunch" From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Oct 24 19:44:54 1995 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:44:54 -0500 Subject: We all have our own versions...Brixton 21/10 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Maxine Wesley wrote: > The Orb are doing well out of exactly that format - when I saw them they > were merely silhouettes of blokes in bobble hats playing records (not an > instrument in sight). It's a cult thing? Actually, they have *gasp* instruments now... they are still using their wave sequencers and whatever else kind of synths, but they also use real (!) drums and bass now. It seems to me that The Orb are going through some sort of transition from "just pressing the ON switch" to doing actual performances. That would be RILLY cool... now if they could turn down the bass just a bit, I might be able to go to another one of their concerts and SURVIVE with my ears still in working condition.... Damon Capehart | UTD Student Govt. Assoc., Communications Committee; dcapehar at utdallas.edu | Society of Physics Students From cks at HAWKWIND.UTCS.TORONTO.EDU Tue Oct 24 21:00:07 1995 From: cks at HAWKWIND.UTCS.TORONTO.EDU (Chris Siebenmann) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 21:00:07 -0400 Subject: Proposal for a new (sub)list: BOC-L-ANNOUNCE Message-ID: BOC-L-ANNOUNCE would be a mailing list for (to use some vague phrasing) 'announcements of interest to the BOC-L community', including but not necessarily limited to new album announcements, tour dates, and so on. It would probably be low volume (but hey, if there's a sudden spate of tours or albums or tshirts, I'm all for it); this probably requires a moderator, or maybe the Reply-To: could be cooerced to point to the main list. This would allow people who can't handle the volume of BOC-L on a timely basis (or at all) keep up with 'important' stuff, or at least time-limited stuff. Unfortunately I can't host such a list; does anyone (perhaps Our Humble Moderator)? Is this not a good idea at all? - cks, who will eventually find replies to this sent to the list, but expect a week or two delay. From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Tue Oct 24 22:08:45 1995 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:08:45 -0800 Subject: "small clubs" debate Message-ID: ...Despite the thousands of people (compared to hundreds >indoors), it was definitely a better show outside. Also, the energy of the >crowd is much better at the large outdoor shows. Outdoor shows-you're totally right. Indoor shows suck. I really hate being trapped in a hocky barn with a hundred thousand surley metal types sauced up on cheap fart juice American beer and then hear a show replete with lousy acoustics. >One area I might disagree with RR is where he says that BOC is playing more >for the love of the music than to make big bucks. I think they're just doing >what they're best at to make a living, just like the rest of us working >stiffs who go to work everyday. Maybe not. If they're doing it as a job and think of themselves as working stiffs, then they'd put out a record every once in a while! (besides another worn out compilation) "I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the sort of person I'm preaching to." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Oct 24 21:49:07 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:49:07 -0600 Subject: BOC fans Los Angeles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Hardman DK wrote: > Can anyone advise me on how to arrange to hear the stuff collected in the > Museum of Cult? I'll be in Los Angeles next month, and if it were > feasible I'd love to get to hear some of BOCs unreleased stuff... > > Dave > Dave- Get ahold of Bolle Gregmar at TUBULAR1 at aol.com. He lives just off of Sunset Blvd in Hollywood It is a good idea to contact him as soon as possible, as he WILL devote his time to you and make your visit a pleasure. He makes a KILLER cup of coffee. Later........Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Oct 25 00:57:56 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 00:57:56 -0400 Subject: BOC fans Los Angeles Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-24 15:26:14 EDT, you write: >Can anyone advise me on how to arrange to hear the stuff collected in the >Museum of Cult? I'll be in Los Angeles next month, and if it were >feasible I'd love to get to hear some of BOCs unreleased stuff... > >Dave > > Email the BOC fan club at BOCfanclub at aol.com and address it to Bolle Gregmar... ROBO From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Wed Oct 25 04:09:13 1995 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:09:13 +1000 Subject: BOC: Lillian Roxon on BOC Message-ID: Here is Lillian's entry for BOC. No HW, sorry. BTW, I did notice in the Introduction that this edition was, in fact, updated by Ed Naha - Lillian died in 1973 (from asthma, I believe) - so perhaps they are not all her own words. Though this copy is so well-used and worn-out that the covers have fallen off and several pages are missing, I found from other sources that it appears to have been published in 1978. If I can find the time, I'll post Patti Smith's entry too. A few questions to follow. BLUE OYSTER CULT/Eric Bloom (guitar and vocals), Albert Bouchard (drums and vocals), Joe Bouchard (bass and vocals), Allen Lanier (keyboards), Donald Roeser (guitar and vocals). Mutant heavy-metal gods from...gasp!...LONG ISLAND! Strange, but true. These demonic denizens of pahntasmagoric imagery actually started off, harmlessly enough, in and about the peaceful vibes of 1967's Stony Brook College. In between bursts of flower power, members of Blue Oyster Cult (BOC to their friends) nearly made the big time via such groups as the Soft White Underbelly and Stalk Forest. (Soft White Underbelly was actually signed to Elektra. An excellent debut LP was recorded but never released. Who needed that hard rock stuff when you had Atomic Rooster?) In 1970, Stalk Forest mutated into Blue Oyster Cult and a demo was submitted to Columbia Record's Murray Krugman by the band's truly visionary manager, Sandy Pearlman. Krugman and Pearlman met, joined forces, and managed to get the band onto the label. This in itself was quite an accomplishment because, at the time, the company's idea of teen-oriented rock was Blood, Sweat and Tears and the Rowan Brothers. Before long, the dangerous visions of BOC were unleashed on an unsuspecting public. The results were shattering. Double guitar licks leaped from speaker to speaker, thunderous rhythym patterns rumbled from below. Devilish vocals delved into nightmarish territory. Everybody and everything found a place in BOC's world: diz-busters, damnation, destruction, OD-ing on life, flower power, sado-masochism, corruption, urban blight, teen romance...even the Canadian mounted police. They were heavy-metal kids with a verbal clout. Their personalities were sheer Clockwork Orange with the best of World War II thrown in for good measure. The group's in-concert appearances - replete with oversized BOC flags, guitar duels (literal duels...as in Basil Rathbone vs. Errol Flynn), and torrid drum solos, wherein chains are used instead of the traditional pair of drum sticks - only served to heighten the band's sinister presence. At this point, the the group is ready to explode. With countless gold albums and a hit single under their holster (Don't Fear the Reaper...it was a love song!), BOC is priming itself to take the country by storm. First the country...and then, the world!! [There is a discography here up to and including Spectres, and includes singles up to and including R.U.Ready 2 Rock (11/77). There is an obvious error in the discography in that OYFOOYK does not have a full track listing] I have two questions. Firstly, are the chain drum sticks the ones that went into the Hall of Fame? ;-) Secondly, the B side to the single Cities on Flame with Rock and Roll (12/71) is given as something called _Trust Me_. Can anyone enlighten me on what this is? ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Oct 25 04:57:39 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:57:39 +0000 Subject: BOC fans Los Angeles In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Many thanks for the info! Dave From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Sat Oct 21 22:24:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 21:24:00 -0500 Subject: Tattoo Talisman Message-ID: Howdy ho all! Remember me? It seems like I've become somewhat of a lurker on this list. Oh well, that's what happens when you get on more mailing lists than you can keep control of! Anyway, just a little BOC tidbit I had not heard mention of on the list before. I was thinking the other day about the BOC/Stephen king relationship- The Stand mention and remake, and the Stephen King Astronomy intro. It then dawned on me that BOC is also mentioned in another Stephen King book - The Talisman. So I went back and found it (you guessed right, I have NO life). In Chapter 29: RICHARD AT THAYER, King writes: "From the room above came regular thumps and an occasional drift of music Jack finally recognized as a record by Blue Oyster Cult." AND In Chapter 31: THAYER GOES TO HELL, King writes: "The screaming heavy metal of Blue Oyster Cult's `Tattoo Vampire' was gone." If Stephen Spielburg (who currently owns the film rights to The Talisman) ever decides to give it a go and make the movie, I hope he would have the decency and good sense to use the song in the movie! Be Seeing You! Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com OBCDlateLY: Frank Zappa- Joe's Garage acts I, II & III. "Don't you be tarot-fied, it's just a token of my extreme." From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed Oct 25 06:10:44 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 10:10:44 GMT Subject: HW: Hastings last night Message-ID: Marvellous!!! Last night I was in a room at the end of a pier on a cold, wet, windy night with a load of pissed-up bikers watching a damn fine Hawkwind gig. The set list was exactly the same as Brixton and Alan & Dave were within 10 feet of the front of the stage so while there wasn't much room for the dancers, at least you could see the band. Ron was also on top form, though I cringed when he put the sword down the front of his trousers during Assassins. What more can I say...the sound was excellent, the lighting was much better in the smaller venue, and once again Lord of Light/Silver Machine blew my socks off. bye - Rob From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Wed Oct 25 07:05:49 1995 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 12:05:49 +0100 Subject: Tattoo Talisman Message-ID: >Anyway, just a little BOC tidbit I had not heard mention of on the >list before. I was thinking the other day about the BOC/Stephen king >relationship- The Stand mention and remake, and the Stephen King >Astronomy intro. It then dawned on me that BOC is also mentioned in >another Stephen King book - The Talisman. So I went back and found it >(you guessed right, I have NO life). > >In Chapter 29: RICHARD AT THAYER, King writes: "From the room above >came regular thumps and an occasional drift of music Jack finally >recognized as a record by Blue Oyster Cult." > >AND > >In Chapter 31: THAYER GOES TO HELL, King writes: "The screaming heavy >metal of Blue Oyster Cult's `Tattoo Vampire' was gone." > >If Stephen Spielburg (who currently owns the film rights to The >Talisman) ever decides to give it a go and make the movie, I hope he >would have the decency and good sense to use the song in the movie! I saw the film the Stand recently and that had Don't Fear the Reaper at the start of the movie as the Virus escaped,m very atmosperic. Derrick... --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk Talk Waylander at 147.188.64.112 "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. |--| % }===={ --------------------------------------------- From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Wed Oct 25 07:12:42 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 07:12:42 -0400 Subject: Tattoo Talisman Message-ID: >Howdy ho all! Remember me? It seems like I've become somewhat of a >lurker on this list. Me too, but thats due to too much work rather than too much mail. >In Chapter 29: RICHARD AT THAYER, King writes: "From the room above >came regular thumps and an occasional drift of music Jack finally >recognized as a record by Blue Oyster Cult." >AND >In Chapter 31: THAYER GOES TO HELL, King writes: "The screaming heavy >metal of Blue Oyster Cult's `Tattoo Vampire' was gone." I'm glad you cleared this up for me. One of my very first posts to this list was about King/Straub's Talisman. Stating the Tattoo Vampire thing. Unfortunately I had never read the book and didn't know where the quotes were so couldn't quote them and only knew of their existance because my wife mentioned it a number of years ago. Perhaps this should be entered in the FAQ (can't remember if it's there or not but I don't think so - John?) .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 25 08:04:53 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 12:04:53 GMT Subject: We all have our own versions...Brixton 21/10 In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Mon, 23 Oct 1995 21:50:01 -0400 Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > Hmmm this is very interesting. A HW gig with no members of the band at the > venue. Everything would be fed into the ole computer (at Devon) then modemed > over to the gig. It worked for Tangerine Dream :-) > Bill Stewart Mike "hey look, Froese MOVED!" Holmes From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 25 08:09:18 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 12:09:18 GMT Subject: t-shirts ordered! Message-ID: After a slight kerfuffle as they spent a few days hunting down the screens, the t-shirts have cleared the tower... The crew were: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RJPXR5 at aol.com 1XL Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Edlundh 1XL Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVID FURST 1L Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Baxley 1L Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Duane Hoyt 1XL Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andrew fergus wilson 1XL Paid 10 Pounds -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Ward 1L Paid 25 Australian Dollars (9.42 Pounds) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mitch Goldman 1XL Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROB MAERZ 1L + 1XL Paid 40 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bstewart at interserv.com 1M + 1L +1XXL cash en route -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Rudich, Robert A" 1M Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK Wed Oct 25 10:14:47 1995 From: CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 10:14:47 EDT Subject: HW Alien (I Am) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I thought Chronicle of the Black Sword was... > Well at least the Ltd Edition Flicknife LP did. And it had some pretty spiffy artwork too if memory serves. In fact I thought that the pacjkaging of the *Live Chronicles* album was more than a little disappointing in comparison. I'd have liked *live* pictures, tour details, a gatefold sleeve...... Chris From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Wed Oct 25 08:53:35 1995 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:53:35 +0100 Subject: HW Alien (I Am) Message-ID: >> I thought Chronicle of the Black Sword was... >> Well at least the Ltd Edition Flicknife LP did. > >And it had some pretty spiffy artwork too if memory serves. >In fact I thought that the pacjkaging of the *Live Chronicles* >album was more than a little disappointing in comparison. >I'd have liked *live* pictures, tour details, a gatefold sleeve...... Quite right. The Hawkwind Box set of three album picture disks of COTBS, Out and Intake, Stonehenge were particulay great, esp Chronicles. Derrick... --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk Talk Waylander at 147.188.64.112 "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. |--| % }===={ --------------------------------------------- From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Oct 25 11:02:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:02:00 PDT Subject: BOC fans Los Angeles Message-ID: >Can anyone advise me on how to arrange to hear the stuff collected in the >Museum of Cult? I'll be in Los Angeles next month, and if it were >feasible I'd love to get to hear some of BOCs unreleased stuff... >Dave Dave would suggest you hit one of the web pages on the internet where you can get access to the BOC FAQ. In addition, I think Bolle and the museum are in San Francisco. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Oct 25 11:07:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:07:00 PDT Subject: Sony Web site Message-ID: >from the BOC newsgroup, a note from Eric "Manny" "Fartknocker" Bloom... >Subject: Sony adds a Web Page >From: oystrboy at aol.com (OYSTRBOY) >Date: 23 Oct 1995 15:18:48 -0400 >Hi...Sony has created a Web site about BOC...it should be available >Tuesday the 24th..the Web address is the following: http://www.sony.com >ROBO "Assmunch" Saw it yesterday while looking for details on 3pak. To borrow a ROBO phrase its pretty "kewl". Rather slow though or I may just have been experiancing some problems with my box. idn't get to see all the photos from the gallery. AB From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Oct 25 10:40:42 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:40:42 +0000 Subject: BOC fans Los Angeles In-Reply-To: <308E5627@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: > >Can anyone advise me on how to arrange to hear the stuff collected in the > >Museum of Cult? I'll be in Los Angeles next month, and if it were > >feasible I'd love to get to hear some of BOCs unreleased stuff... > > >Dave > > Dave would suggest you hit one of the web pages on the internet where you > can get access to the BOC FAQ. In addition, I think Bolle and the museum > are in San Francisco. > > AB Thanks for the info.... As it happens, I've now made contact with Bolle of the fan club and he's been most welcoming! He's in West Hollywood BTW, which is about 10 minutes drive from where I'll be staying. Dave From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Oct 25 10:44:54 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:44:54 +0000 Subject: WotT In-Reply-To: <308E568E@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: I just picked up the WotT album in Tower Records at Picadilly circus. As a word of caution to anyone else likely to shop there, the copies stacked under BOC in the regular CD section were priced at 22 pounds 59p. However, on the import stand they were listed at 19.49. Probably the bar code on all copies is actually 19.49, but it's worth being aware of. Dave From irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU Wed Oct 25 12:58:28 1995 From: irby at HERA.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:58:28 -0500 Subject: BOC fans Los Angeles In-Reply-To: <308E5627@houmg001.shl.com> from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Oct 25, 95 08:02:00 am Message-ID: > >Dave > > Dave would suggest you hit one of the web pages on the internet where you > can get access to the BOC FAQ. In addition, I think Bolle and the museum > are in San Francisco. No, they are in fact in Los Angeles, off of Hollywood Blvd. The museum is his apartment. -Bryan From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Oct 25 13:13:48 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:13:48 +0000 Subject: OFF TOPIC (very funny) Message-ID: Pardon me for bunging up the list with non-BOC/HW material. HOwever, I did think the following was very funny and that list members might appreciate it. Dave ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Newgroups: alt.misc.forteana Subject: Anarchy In China Town The following was reported by M. Burgess using the Fortean Times - On line reporting service ----------------------------------------------------------- Seen in China News on 15/9/95 " Wang Mo-Lin confessed to reporters at a news conference in Panchiao, after the town's Broken Life Festival had ended amid scenes of violence and disarray. "Frankly, what was supposed to be a serious concert of alternative music was treated by most of the groups as an opportunity to cause trouble." Wang, the director of Taiwan's Body Phase Studio performance art troupe, explained how the evening had degenerated into chaos: "First the leader of the Swiss group "Schimpfluch_ ran around the hall dressed in bin liners and randomly kissing women, until one of them bit him so hard on the lip that he had to be taken to hospital. Next, the Japanese noise group C.C.C.C. abandoned their performance, because the previous act had dumped sewer water over the audience, and the stench caused their drummer to vomit during his solo. Then it got worse. Z.S.L.Q.'s entire act consisted of a short man in stockings being chased around the hall by a couple who, when they caught him, crammed garbage, gravel and rotting food into his mouth. By the time Eric Lai came on and swallowed a live boa constrictor, which then crawled unharmed out of his colon, members of the audience were vomiting in their seats. And finally, knowing that only an act of extreme insanity could top what had come before, LTK Community ended the evening by pouring gasoline all over the stage, setting fire to it and gutting the entire auditorium. I now plan to take this show to Europe, and have been told by a British policeman to contact Andrew Lloyds Webber, a man who understands the avante garde and owns many theatres in London." Contact email address: m.burgess at bbcnc.org.uk -------------------------------------------------------------- This has been reported via the Fortean Times On-line Reporting service at >>> http://alpha.mic.dundee.ac.uk/ft/ft.html From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Oct 25 15:14:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 12:14:00 PDT Subject: Anybody Seen 3Pak at the Stores? Message-ID: Has anybody seen 3pak on the racks yet? Interested in seeing what the retail price is and how Sony has packaged it. Thanks AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Oct 25 16:00:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:00:00 PDT Subject: OFF TOPIC (very funny) & don't forget weird. Message-ID: >Pardon me for bunging up the list with non-BOC/HW material. HOwever, I >did think the following was very funny and that list members might >appreciate it. >Dave {weird stuff deleted} Unbelivable if true. Don't know whether to laugh or puke. It certainly woke me up though Dave, thanks. AB From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 25 14:19:38 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:19:38 GMT Subject: OFF TOPIC (very funny) In-Reply-To: Hardman DK's message of Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:13:48 +0000 Message-ID: Hardman DK writes: > Pardon me for bunging up the list with non-BOC/HW material. HOwever, I > did think the following was very funny and that list members might > appreciate it. > > Dave > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Newgroups: > alt.misc.forteana Subject: Anarchy In China Town > > The following was reported by M. Burgess using > the Fortean Times - On line reporting service > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Seen in China News on 15/9/95 > > > " Wang Mo-Lin confessed to reporters at a news conference in Panchiao, > after the town's Broken Life Festival had ended amid scenes of > violence and disarray. "Frankly, what was supposed to be a serious > concert of alternative music was treated by most of the groups as an > opportunity to cause trouble." Wang, the director of Taiwan's Body > Phase Studio performance art troupe, explained how the evening had > degenerated into chaos: "First the leader of the Swiss group > "Schimpfluch_ ran around the hall dressed in bin liners and randomly > kissing women, until one of them bit him so hard on the lip that he > had to be taken to hospital. Next, the Japanese noise group C.C.C.C. > abandoned their performance, because the previous act had dumped sewer > water over the audience, and the stench caused their drummer to vomit > during his solo. Then it got worse. Z.S.L.Q.'s entire act consisted > of a short man in stockings being chased around the hall by a couple > who, when they caught him, crammed garbage, gravel and rotting food > into his mouth. By the time Eric Lai came on and swallowed a live boa > constrictor, which then crawled unharmed out of his colon, members of > the audience were vomiting in their seats. And finally, knowing that > only an act of extreme insanity could top what had come before, LTK > Community ended the evening by pouring gasoline all over the stage, > setting fire to it and gutting the entire auditorium. I now plan to > take this show to Europe, and have been told by a British policeman to > contact Andrew Lloyds Webber, a man who understands the avante garde > and owns many theatres in London." Sounds perfect for the new Globe Theatre ;-) FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Oct 25 14:25:42 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:25:42 GMT Subject: info needed for Codex Message-ID: The two new compilations need to have the tracks checked against other tracks in the Codex. I realise that it's entirely likely that the tracks on "Space Is Deep" will be the same as on the other compilations like "British Tribal Music" et al and that the ones on the Independent Days CD will be as on the LP's. However unless it is checked then cuts, edits and remixes will slip by us and the Codex won't be as accurate as we'd all like. For example the difference in "High Rise" on the vinyl and CD of PXR5 took me by surprise and it surprised me that the italian "Assassins of Allah" 7" was the same as on the Reading 86 VD. The only real way to do this is to play the CD's against vinyl or tapes of vinyl and check that the versions are identical in length and composition. It can be a little tedious, as Jill and I know all too well :-) But if someone wants to do their bit for the Codex then let me know after you've identified a match, cut, edit or remix. Cheers FoFP From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Wed Oct 25 18:49:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:49:00 -0500 Subject: HW 95' US tour page update Message-ID: Tanya has added the interview that I did with Ron and Richard in New Haven, CT 4/11/95 to her web page. Check it out! http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~ruiz/Hawkwind95.html Scott From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Wed Oct 25 17:51:14 1995 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:51:14 -0400 Subject: BOC fans Los Angeles Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-24 15:26:14 EDT, you write: >Can anyone advise me on how to arrange to hear the stuff collected in the >Museum of Cult? I'll be in Los Angeles next month, and if it were >feasible I'd love to get to hear some of BOCs unreleased stuff... > >Dave Send an e-mail to: TUBULAR_1 at aol.com (or is it TUBULAR1 at aol.com?) describing that you would like to visit. This is Bolle's e-mail address and the Museum is in his apartment. The apartment is, as I recall, between Hollywood Blvd. and Sunset in Hollywood. I was there last month and it's DEFINITELY worth the visit. Bolle really enjoys showing the unusual Cult stuff to people and is a wonderful host. Good luck and enjoy! R. From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Oct 25 20:12:06 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 20:12:06 -0400 Subject: Anybody Seen 3Pak at the ... Message-ID: Has anybody seen 3pak on the racks yet? Interested in seeing what the retail price is and how Sony has packaged it. Thanks AB saw it today:$22 and change.3 ogiginal discs in open ended box. sort of plain black. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Oct 25 22:43:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:43:00 EDT Subject: HW: Codex update Message-ID: Oh Keepers of the Codex (FoFP & Jill). There is a CD stateside that I haven't seen mentioned. It's _Undisclosed Files Addendum_. Live with 6 tracks from Sheffield in '84 and 5 from sites unknown in '89. Doing this from memory...Orgone Accumulator, Ghost Dance, Sonic Attack, Watching the Grass Grow, Coded Languages, Dragons & Fables, Heads, Motorway City, Angels of Death...the rest escape me. One of the tracks from '84 has some extended distinctive waterfowl croaking. ( )--(a) (@=@=) \ Rudy the ferret mage O__) \ \___ \ \ (Ever watchful for Hawks from above & beyond) /\ * ) \ From skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM Thu Oct 26 01:23:07 1995 From: skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM (Skip Galvin) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:23:07 -0700 Subject: R. Meltzer Message-ID: Just came across a great photo of Soft White Underbelly in the Meltzer book "Aesthetics of Rock". If you haven't seen it, check it out at the local library. --SG From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Oct 26 02:41:59 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 02:41:59 -0400 Subject: Sony Web site Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-25 09:29:20 EDT, you write: >Saw it yesterday while looking for details on 3pak. To borrow a ROBO phrase >its pretty "kewl". Rather slow though or I may just have been experiancing >some problems with my box. idn't get to see all the photos from the >gallery. > >AB > > me too...I couldn't get past the 3rd or 4th page...xllent job that they did out there... ROBO From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Oct 26 05:48:53 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:48:53 +0000 Subject: Kick Out the Jams In-Reply-To: <951024122207_131612206@mail06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Does anyone know the full set of lyrics to Kick Out the Jams? Listening to it again I just realised I don't know them. Dave From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Oct 26 06:52:10 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:52:10 GMT Subject: HW: Codex update In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:43:00 EDT Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > Oh Keepers of the Codex (FoFP & Jill). There is a CD stateside that I > haven't seen mentioned. It's _Undisclosed Files Addendum_. Live with 6 > tracks from Sheffield in '84 and 5 from sites unknown in '89. Doing this > from memory...Orgone Accumulator, Ghost Dance, Sonic Attack, Watching the > Grass Grow, Coded Languages, Dragons & Fables, Heads, Motorway City, Angels > of Death...the rest escape me. One of the tracks from '84 has some > extended distinctive waterfowl croaking. It's OK, I've got it and it's in the Codex. I'd be grateful if folks would keep an eye out for the "Nova Drive" bootleg for me. I'll gladly trade for a copy of it. Cheers FoFP From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Thu Oct 26 12:16:10 1995 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:16:10 BST Subject: HW: Codex update Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > Oh Keepers of the Codex (FoFP & Jill). There is a CD stateside that I > haven't seen mentioned. It's _Undisclosed Files Addendum_. Live with 6 > tracks from Sheffield in '84 and 5 from sites unknown in '89. Doing this > from memory...Orgone Accumulator, Ghost Dance, Sonic Attack, Watching the > Grass Grow, Coded Languages, Dragons & Fables, Heads, Motorway City, Angels > of Death...the rest escape me. One of the tracks from '84 has some > extended distinctive waterfowl croaking. Tracklist is as follows: Orgone Accumulator Ghost Dance Sonic Attack Watching The Grass Grow Coded Languages Damned By The Curse Of Man Ejection Motorway City Dragons & Fables Heads Angels Of Death Cheers, Keith From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Thu Oct 26 09:24:48 1995 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:24:48 EDT Subject: HW: RE US tour-95 interview Message-ID: >Scott told us about an interview he did with Hawkwind this spring and where it could be found. Great interview Scott, I really enjoyed it and can recommend it. B.t.w While you're looking at the interview, take a look at the Hawkwind-pictures as well. Bye Henrik From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 26 09:30:20 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:30:20 -0400 Subject: "small clubs" debate Message-ID: Dr. Bob says: >One area I might disagree with RR is where he says that BOC is playing more for the love of the music than to make big bucks. I think they're just doing what they're best at to make a living, just like the rest of us working stiffs who go to work everyday. This is a real shame, because I remember a time when they did it for the love of the music, as RR says, and when they fed off the energy of the crowd going nuts. Now it seems to be just a job to do. A pity, really. Well, it's o.k. for them IMHO if they're doing it for the money -- that doesn't mean they don't enjoy doing it (it might, but doesn't have to be). As a fan that would like to continue seeing them, if they put on a good show, I'm not really dissappointed that they're putting it on so that they can make a living. We all have to - and what are these guys gonna do it they're not up on stage? We know they won't be putting out a lot of albums - will Bloom go back to being a salesman? Will Buck become some sort of computer programmer? Maybe Allen can do ads for cigarette companies? :-) But seriously, they may love what they do, even though they need to do it for their own personal financial gain - hey, there are lots of "starving artists" out there. John From thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM Thu Oct 26 10:51:00 1995 From: thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM (Matt Thompson) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:51:00 E Subject: Kick Out the Jams Message-ID: >Does anyone know the full set of lyrics to Kick Out the Jams? Listening >to it again I just realised I don't know them. > >Dave I have them at home from the BOC Anthology song book (sheet music). If no one comes up with them today, I'll bring it in to work tomorrow and post them. Matt Thompson thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 26 10:09:28 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:09:28 -0400 Subject: Tattoo Talisman Message-ID: No, this stuff Torgo mentioned is currently not in the FAQ, but I'd like to add it to version 2.1 (coming soon to a cyberspace near you!). John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 26 10:20:58 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:20:58 -0400 Subject: BOC fans Los Angeles Message-ID: >Bolle really enjoys showing the unusual Cult stuff to people and is a wonderful host. Yeah, but I would caution those of you that know Bolle or his e-mail or personal address to use some discretion here. I don't know that he would appreciate us freely sending around his e-mail address or directions to his apartment. I once asked him about putting his e-mail address in the FAQ, and he was most definitely against it - he felt that he had enough e-mail to deal with as it was, and that most stuff should go through the fan club address (bocfanclub at aol.com). I'm not trying to imply that Bolle is not a nice guy (based on all my interaction with him, nothing could be further from the truth), but out of respect for an individual's privacy, I would ask that we all try and remember that Bolle has not freely given out his e-mail or street addresses (at least not that I know of), and we should therefore not do that. If you want to correspond with Bolle, I suggest you do so via the fanclub's e-mail address, or by sending a SASE to the fanclub mailing address (which is a P.O. box, not a street address). Having said that, Dave - I hope you have a great time at the "museum" - I am seriously hoping to visit there someday myself if I can ever get out to California. John From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Oct 26 10:22:24 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 14:22:24 +0000 Subject: HW: Nova Drive Boot In-Reply-To: <9510241219.A11314@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Oct 24, 95 12:19:51 pm Message-ID: > I myself am a Software Engineer who has just recently spent time > getting a Pinnacle Micro CD-Recorder working, so that my company > can start shipping our software on CD. I have successfully burned > UNIX and Windows CDs, as well as a one-off copy of Myst. ;^) > I am using a UNIX system. I have already tried using a P90 PCI PC > to burn CD-Rs with *no* success; I conclude that I will have to buy > about $1500 worth of high-speed AV hard disk in order to do it > without error. I have even purchased "Wave For Windows", which has > a (non-file-size-limited) ability to adjust, modify, and "clean-up" > a WAV file, once I have recorded an audio tape to hard disk. > All to no avail... :-( > If you want to make your own music CD (the most difficult of all > CDs to burn), it may be easiest to do what the above guy did -- > make one for yourself, and subsidize your cost by selling a few > copies. Any additional insights on this subject are appreciated. Or find friends who work in multi-media orriented companies. When my now quite effectively defunct band recorded our demo tape, a couple of members worked in such a company and with some small effort copied the DAT of the tape onto CDs (one for each band-member). It's not difficult if you have access to a CD-R machine with the appropriate software, but it's the software that's the trick. Another thing to be aware of is the differing shelf-lives of different types of CD-Rs. CD-Rs use a dye as the medium to encode their data, and this dyes comes in two types which can be effectively indentified by color. The most common dye is a greenish shade, and unfortunately has the shortest life-span before the dye breaks down. Keep it away from light and you might get five years out of it. It _can_ degrade in as little as a year, but for all I know could go much faster if left in direct sunlight ... The other type of dye is a yellowish-gold color and is _much_ more resistant to the effects of light and time--perhaps lasting as much as a century or longer. Unfortunately, CD-Rs of this type are much harder to find at this time. Cheers, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 26 10:26:16 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:26:16 -0400 Subject: Anybody Seen 3Pak at the ... Message-ID: I just got back from a business trip to Colorado Springs, and I saw the 3 pack out there. As suspected, it is simply the first 3 CDs boxed together - the original CD numbers are on the sides of the CDs, so I'm sure they're exactly the same. The packaging is pretty simple. While I didn't understand the need for Sony to do this, a few listmembers indicated that they would buy it. I would say that if you don't yet have the first 3 albums on CD (and IMHO, these 3 albums are "must haves" for anyone into BOC), then this 3pack is for you - but only because it is probably a cheaper way to get the discs. There's nothing new here, but the price is right. The 3pack I saw was going for $20, which is certainly a good price for 3 discs. If you shop around, you may find a record store selling BOC albums for a price that would beat out the price of the 3pack, but these aren't that easy to come by. Just for comparative purposes, the store where I saw the 3pack was also selling WOTT for $19. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 26 10:43:50 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:43:50 -0400 Subject: Sony Web site Message-ID: I just checked out Sony's BOC page. It is pretty good -- good enough that I'm gonna rate the Sony web site as HOT in the next rev. of the FAQ. There's some cool pictures, sound bytes, a web page ad for WOTT (where you can read Arthur Levy's hallucinations which are the liner notes, and also here sound clips of some of the tracks), and links to a few BOC pages on the net (which they make the disclaimer that of course Sony isn't responsible for their content). I didn't expect such a good web page from a corporate giant like Sony though - check it out. John From thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM Thu Oct 26 11:56:00 1995 From: thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM (Matt Thompson) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:56:00 E Subject: Tattoo Talisman Message-ID: >No, this stuff Torgo mentioned is currently not in the FAQ, but I'dlike to add it >to version 2.1 (coming soon to a cyberspace near you!). John, I know of another comic reference you may want for the FAQ. In addition to the Defenders series you mentioned, Marvel put out a Deathlok comic around the same time that was entitled "Don't Fear the Reaper" and at the bottom of the title page it said "With all due repect to Blue Oyster Cult". If you are interested I can research the details. Matt Thompson thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 26 11:14:57 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:14:57 -0400 Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: > As for Lips yeah that was really a suprise. Don't know what made them decide to do it but it was definitely spur of the moment. Eric had to reference the lyrics from the monitor in front of him. Well, couldn't have been TOO spur of the moment if they had the lyrics there! Actually, according the the review at Cyberbaron's web page, the band had gotten lots of on-line requests to do this one so they added it to the set. >How about a big BOC-L push for bringing back the Subhuman? Don't know if Bloom will listen to alot input from BOC-L ;-) Seriously though, there are ALOT of old BOC tunes that I wouldn't mind seeing BOC do live - some that probably may not have ever been done live. The band has such a rich catalog of material that they could perform if they decided to work it up - not to mention that there's a fair amount of new stuff (or at least unreleased) that could be performed. >Yeah I know but ME262 is very nostalgic for me Gee, one of the knocks about BOC is their focus on the nostalgic and here you go getting all nostalgic here -- ain't you the guy that wanted them to do different stuff, maybe even in the "alternative" vein? ;-) >Godzilla really didn't get a major reaction out of the crowd. Probably way too many BOC veteran fans who have had their fill of the song. Well, every BOC show I've been at (including one this year, and one last year), 'Zilla gets a MAJOR reaction from the crowd -- quite frankly, when I saw 'em last year, the band could've just played and let the audience sing the song, 'cuz I think they drowned out the band anyway. And, as predictable as it is, and as much as I personally want other material from the band, I was swept up in the moment and singing right along, pumping my fist in the air - the whole 9 yards. Nope, I think you'd find more fans in the crowd disappointed not to hear "The Big 3" than you might think. Hell, I even heard at a recent Brain Surgeons' show folks in the crowd yelling for "Godzilla". Now, that's pretty dumb when I think about it, and probably most folks on BOC-L would never do something like that, but not all rock fans are computer geeks like me with contacts to all these sources of information (including members of the bands). I hope that statement didn't come off sounding "snobbish" - quite frankly I consider myself very fortunate to have been able to come into contact with so many cool people both on-line and in person -- but I can't expect everyone who shows up to a show to have been as fortunate. > Seriously, they really should take one last shot at putting these on disc even if they have to do it themselves. Well, I hope it isn't a "last shot", but I know what you mean. I do think, however, that something will happen (hey, perhaps if things go well for Sony on the nostalgia bit, they'll work something out for the new stuff) - presumably alot of the music is recorded, and I think that it will come out in some form next year. I don't have any "insider information" - I just have a hunch. >BTW which version do you prefer John, I vote for Al. Well, I've grown very accustomed to Eric's version of "Cities on Flame" since by the time I first saw BOC live, Albert was out of the band (which is too bad, 'cuz I probably had one shot to see them on the "Black and Blue" tour, but couldn't go). But I do like Albert's vocals on the song as well, and his "multi-cultural" version is great. The versions I've heard of both Joe and Buck singing this song were on tape and not live, so perhaps I would be more enthusiastic about them if I saw them live. Neither was bad, but seemed to lack the proper energy. The thing about "Cities on Flame" that Albert so necessarily provided for me, however, was the DRUMS - the whole real hook of that song for me was always that "Bum bum ba BUM" on the bass drum in-between the guitar lines. Last time I saw BOC live (the day after I got to see the Brain Surgeons do it), I was disappointed to see that Chuck Burgi had completely eliminated that bit from the song. Albert may not be known these days as one of the top drummers in rock, but his sense of rhythm always has impressed me -- often subtle, but rich in variety and complexity, and always blending nicely with what the song demands. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 26 12:53:28 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:53:28 EST Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: > Neither was bad, but seemed to lack the proper energy. The thing > about "Cities on Flame" that Albert so necessarily provided for me, > however, was the DRUMS - the whole real hook of that song for me was > always that "Bum bum ba BUM" on the bass drum in-between the guitar > lines. Last time I saw BOC live (the day after I got to see the Brain > Surgeons do it), I was disappointed to see that Chuck Burgi had completely > eliminated that bit from the song. Albert may not be known these days > as one of the top drummers in rock, but his sense of rhythm always has > impressed me -- often subtle, but rich in variety and complexity, and > always blending nicely with what the song demands. > > John John, If Al isn't known as a top drummer, then it isn't his fault, but the listener's. Anyone who hears the first 3 albums, assuming they aren't an idiot, would have to conclude that Albert is one of the best to ever pound for a rock band. His work on those records is amazing. He has a differnt beat for every song, and really drives the band. I've always considered him one of the best (even if I can't stand his 'Zilla solo from way back ). As far as singing, I always like Al's vocals, though I think I actually prefer Eric on 'Dominance.' His stage personna just seems to fit that song better than Albert's... theo From bedens at INTELLINET.COM Thu Oct 26 11:06:41 1995 From: bedens at INTELLINET.COM (Bert Edens) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:06:41 -0400 Subject: BOC Page @ Sony Message-ID: Greetings... Since I saw folks post the Sony WWW page address, but not the BOC address itself, here's the URL: http://www.music.sony.com/Music/ArtistInfo/BOC/index.html And y'all are right... It's sharp... - Bert +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bert Edens - bedens at intellinet.com | | http://www.intellinet.com/~bedens/home.html | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | A hundred years from now it will not matter what my bank | | account was, the sort of house I lived in, or the kind of | | car I drove. But the world may be different because I was | | important in the life of a child. --- Forest Witcraft | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | You a baseball statistic nut? Ask me about Retrosheet! | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Oct 26 12:14:43 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:14:43 +0000 Subject: WotT In-Reply-To: <199510261443.KAA16997@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Although there's some disappointment here with Workshop of the Telescopes because it doesn't have much in the way of previously-unheard stuff, I must say that I'm really quite impressed. Previous compilations, eg.Career of Evil, have been somewhat piecemeal - this one, however, is pretty comprehensive. Everything about it suggests that Sony have taken real care over it, from the liner notes to the memorabilia that features in the artwork. The live version of Workshop of the Telescopes is one of the high points of the album for me. One minor quibble is that i would rather have heard the studio version of D&S than the ETL version. So far I've only played it through my PC, so I can't really judge the sound quality---but am I right in thinking that the tracks have been remastered, notably the early stuff which is so muddy on the CDs? Dave From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Oct 26 12:34:11 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:34:11 -0400 Subject: R. Meltzer Message-ID: Meltzer's novel, "Night" (actually all the bits & pieces from his drawer he seemingly couldn't put together in any other form- from re-written "Hansel &Gretel" lyrics to the last laugh on a a band that amidst the confusion here changes its name from Brackish Light to Brake Lite, replete w/ umlaut) was also just published by Little, Brown. From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Oct 26 12:34:24 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:34:24 -0400 Subject: OFF TOPIC (very funny) Message-ID: Gee, you can usually get the vomit part w/out the snake or the bin liners...but guess that's how you tell the difference between avant-garde and heavy metal..:-) -DF From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Oct 26 12:16:11 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:16:11 +0000 Subject: Nudestock In-Reply-To: <199510261443.KAA16997@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Was there ever any feedback to this list about the Nudestock event? I noticed that the cover of Mojo magazine made reference to Nudestock recently, but I didn't buy it at the time. Anyone else purchase it? Dave From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Thu Oct 26 13:00:39 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 13:00:39 -0400 Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF... Message-ID: >> How about a big BOC-L push for bringing back the Subhuman? > Don't know if Bloom will listen to alot input from BOC-L ;-) > Seriously though, there are ALOT of old BOC tunes that I wouldn't mind > seeing BOC do live I know Bloom's attitude to BOC-L has come up before, but it really wazzies me off. I don't know about other people on BOC-L, but this is the only on-line facility I can really get. Consequently e-mail is my only contact with any BOC fans on the internet (although I can get some web pages, but text only). I'd love to hang out on where ever Eric does, but it's not possible. I don't know why he's got ot into his head that we're attacking BOC, this is complete c**p. With people/things you love, you're often the first to sharply criticize, this is only out of love tho'. But you are also the first to spring to their defence. It has been suggested that Eric hangs out on BOC-L for a while, just to see. He can just lurk if he wanted to then he can remain anonymous. PLEASE don't think I'm stepping out of line here, but I sometimes wonder if the reason he doesn't want to like us is because this is where Al hangs out. I, for one, would easily prefer Al's company, but Bloom's attitude is anoying because we get all BOC stuff second hand. Eric's attitude makes it feel as if he looks on me as lower class BOC fan. This is rubbish - I reckon the quality of the discussion and the level of belief and appriciation in _ALL_ aspects of BOC (except Stve Schenck) is really as high here as it can get. On the point of voting for songs, what we could do is come up with a `standard' request letter with a few suggestions and all e-mail it to him individually. At least that way he might read it! I love BOC, I am a fan, and my opinions and views are just as valid as anyone elses. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 26 13:35:53 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 13:35:53 -0400 Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: Theo writes: John, If Al isn't known as a top drummer, then it isn't his fault, but the listener's. Anyone who hears the first 3 albums, assuming they aren't an idiot, would have to conclude that Albert is one of the best to ever pound for a rock band. His work on those records is amazing. He has a differnt beat for every song, and really drives the band. I've always considered him one of the best I don't disagree -- and I'm sure that in the 70's Albert was probably more familiar to general rock public and his talents were no doubt appreciated. My comment had more to do with the general rock public's perception of him today. I doubt most people who either grew up on the 80's rock scene or are in tune with the sounds of the 90's know of Albert's talents - heck, many of 'em don't know anything of BOC, let alone any of its current or former members. I myself can't call myself an expert on drumming - but my brother is a drummer and I got to experience a little bit of the various technical nuances of drums and rhythm - and as a wannbe bass-player, I know the importance of the bass and drums being in synch so I try to pay attention to drumming. Anyways, Albert's drumming is great, although I don't know how many people appreciate some of the subtleties involved -- it isn't always "in your face" drumming - you know, the guys who's drum solos consist of basically trying to beat the crap out of their drums. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 26 13:46:12 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 13:46:12 -0400 Subject: R. Meltzer Message-ID: Well, Deb just beat me to the punch. I just got back from lunch and had stopped at my local Barnes & Noble -- looking for Meltzer's "The Aesthetics of Modern Rock". 'twasn't there, but in the "New Fiction" section, I saw a hardcover of Meltzer's "The Night (Alone)". I didn't get the book, but I skimmed it and noticed the poem, "Just Like Hansel and Gretel". And, the question I was going to put to Deb and Al was whether this poem was the original that the lyrics to the Brain Surgeons' "Hansel & Gretel" came from? Since Deb has set that they are re-written, I was wondering how close to the original are the lyrics that the Brain Surgeons used? Perhaps because the Brain Surgeons' rendition is sung by a husband/wife duo, or perhaps its the lyrics, but a quick read of Meltzer's poem in the book seemed a bit more sinister -- whereas the Surgeons' rendition seems sort of "playful" - more like two young lovers. Perhaps "sinister" is the wrong word, but Meltzer's poem made me think that it was more about horny teenagers than young lovers. Ah, but I think I'm well over my quota today . . . John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Oct 26 15:19:03 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 14:19:03 EST Subject: R. Meltzer Message-ID: > lovers. Perhaps "sinister" is the wrong word, but Meltzer's poem made > me think that it was more about horny teenagers than young lovers. > > Ah, but I think I'm well over my quota today . . . > > John John, I work in a library, and after seeing your references to 'night alone' I looked it up in the Library of Congress database. It was listed as 'Erotic Literature!' Do you concur? theo From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Oct 26 14:28:08 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 14:28:08 -0400 Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-26 12:01:11 EDT, you write: >Anyone who hears the first 3 albums, assuming they >aren't an idiot, would have to conclude that Albert is one of the >best to ever pound for a rock band. I agree...from the beginning of Trans MC to the ending of Astronomy lies some excellent drumming in between...most notably: Cities, Sheep, Foot, Scopes, R&B, Hot Rails, Archer, Diz, D&S, Cagey, Telepaths and Astronomy... yeah, I miss the "ba-ba-bum-bum" in Cities nowadays, too...I think that was taken out in favor of a rest...as my guitar buddy once told me "it's one of dem lil things you'd miss if it wasn't in the song"...he's right! one thing I don't miss that BOC thankfully took out was the "ahhhh" in Burnin' For You...if it's in there, it makes the song sound kinda sappy, IMO...how about the addition of the synth on Harvester on OYFOOYK? adds a "weird" aura to the song... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Oct 26 14:28:19 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 14:28:19 -0400 Subject: BOC: online chats/radio alert!! Message-ID: well, I just got done chatting with Eric "Fartknocker" Bloom on AOL [insert plug here: oh yeah, btw, EB participates on the Blue Oyster Cult folder on AOL as well as hosting the monthly live chats...(but, since you've already downloaded the BOC FAQ, or visit the BOC Web sites, you already know this right?) if you're interested in AOL 2.5 software, you can get it free thru any computer mag practically (the ones with that baggie on the outside and it says "hey, we got free AOL software inside!) or E me so I can get 10 free hrs : } the skinny: AOL 2.5 for Windows - 10 free hrs first month, 2nd month $9.95 /hr for 5 hrs ($2.95/hr after that) now for something new: I am organizing a monthly BOC TriviaChat on Prodigy...(like I said, if you've downloaded the FAQ and surf the WWW, you already know that Prodigy is home of the "Four Winds Bar"...) this is gonna be kewl! we'll have a TriviaChat for about an hr every month and if you have a sound card, you can participate in a BOCWAV file distribution list so you can hear all the kewl sounds like ROBO's theme song (which happens to be the riff for "Sheep", btw)... the skinny on P: 10 free hrs 1st month 5 hrs for $9.95 Unlimited Core (news, sports etc) and 5 hrs plus (chat, bbs, Email, Internet)/$14.95 30 hrs (all areas Plus and Core) for $30 or Unlimited Core and 30 hrs Plus for $45 send me an E for software or pick it up in one of dem mags or visit their Astranet site] AND EB said that this coming Monday that BOC will be doing an "unplugged thing" at a Las Vegas radio station (Reaper & In Thee)...don't know exactly what station it is, sorry...also, he said that "Foot" is still in the works for the "Unplugged" set, and they're still woikin on it... if anyone living in the Vegas broadcast area could tape the show, let us know! ROBO From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Oct 26 14:32:45 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 14:32:45 -0400 Subject: R. Meltzer Message-ID: He actually re-wrote some of the same lines we did...They're both equi-distant from-- and an improvement over- the original draft. And that's hardly the least sinister element of the book! In fact, as much as I love and admire so much of Meltzer's other work, what makes the book not work too well as fiction is not so much the utter lack of plot (not to mention ephinany) but how thoroughly repulsive the protagonist is. That is, if you care enough to even wade far enough through to find him-- warning- this is not an easy read. Too bad, because the absolutely hysterical chapter titles promise so much more. Maybe he should've just left it at that. Given the expectations, though, and the amount of time it took to put this together, it's particularly disappointing. Maybe more rigorous editing was in order... there are a lot of assumptions operating here, the primary one being that the reader knows who Meltzer is and cares about any of his references...but even for those who do, it may be asking too much....But for anyone who's fearless enough to take on this project (not to mention numerous particularly unappetizing sex scenes-- many of which contain only one consenting adult-- and none as funny as Portnoy's Complaint, which is, after all, about an adolescent, whose similar neuroses are somewhat more age appropriate)... well, additional comments and discussion are certainly welcomed... --DF From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 26 15:02:53 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:02:53 -0400 Subject: HAWK: Stuff for sale on the net Message-ID: Just saw this on an internet newsgroup, and thought it might be of interest to some Hawkwind fans. I have no affiliation with the seller, and can't vouch for him in any way. I'm just passing along some info that some Hawkwind fan might be interested in knowing about. John Newsgroups: rec.music.marketplace.misc,rec.music.marketplace.vinyl Subject: Hawkwind (and related) 7"s & 12" - For Sale Date: 25 Oct 1995 22:05:24 GMT Organization: Force Majeure Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-ID: <46mcb4$nl3 at news1.deltanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ana1042.deltanet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.4_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:10:08 GMT Xref: linus.mitre.org rec.music.marketplace.misc:911 rec.music.marketplace.vinyl:1730 I have the following vinyl for sale: =====HAWKWIND===== 7" - Silver Machine/7 By 7 (Israeli 1972 + Hebrew P/S) ---$150 7" - Kerb Crawler/ Honky Dorky (UK 1976 no P/S issued) ---$20 7" - Back on The Streets/Dream Of Isis (UK 1977 no P/S issued) ---$20 7" - Quark Strangeness & Charm/Forge Of Vulcan (UK 1977 no P/S issued) ---$20 7" - Psi Power/Death Trap (UK 1978 no P/S issued) ---$20 7" - Silver Machine/+ 2 (UK 10th anniversary 7" + P/S) ---$10 12" - Quark Strangeness & Charm/+3 (UK 1994 mispress on clear vinyl) ---$25 =====RELATED===== 7" - Nik Turner - Thoth (mix)/Lunar Sea (nos W/L test press of unreleased 7") ---$40 7" - Pressurehed (Niks backing band) - The Right Stuff (ltd ed of 500 in P/S) ---$3 7" - Lunar Malice (ex PINK FAIRIES) - Gunfire In The Night/Touched By The Fire (inc Mick Farren numbered ltd ed of 500 on clear vinyl in P/S) ---$3 All titles are at least VG/EX or M (according Record Collector magazine gradings). Postage extra at cost. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 26 15:13:08 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:13:08 -0400 Subject: R. Meltzer Message-ID: This question is probably best answered by Deb or Al, but if anyone else knows . . . For someone trying to "get to know" Richard Meltzer, what would be the best source. Based on Deb's comments, it wouldn't appear that "The Night (Alone)" would be the place to start. I've seen a few of his columns in "Addicted to Noise" (an on-line music magazine -- see the FAQ for the web address), and I'm not sure what to think of him. There was a column he did a few months back where he detailed some of his sexual experiences (or from his viewpoint, lack thereof) with one woman, and I guess I kept wondering, "What the hell does all this have to do with music?". But, he has obviously written some very cool lyrics for both BOC and the Brain Surgeons, and I'd be somewhat interested to know where some of that inspiration came from. John From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Oct 26 15:43:50 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:43:50 -0400 Subject: Source for Area S.4. in the US (Rare PT, too!) Message-ID: It's a boring day here at the office and I decided to go play around on the Net. Checked out RPM Records and they have both the vinyl and the CD of Area S.4. in stock (their count is down by one on each now!) They also have(had, maybe) a CD version of the Porcupine Tree STAIRCASE INFINITES ltd. release in stock, which is also winging its' way towards Georgia. Other neat stuff in stock, too... ...but then they had something really scary in stock that I decided to pass on. Apparently, Tangerine Dream has released a 70 minute "remix" release. It is taken from their current releases (Mirimar label) so don't go looking for a Smoove Rubber-Bubber remix of "Phaedra" on it. But, no matter, this is a scary release! (FYI, I used to be the world's biggest TD fan, but then I lost weight, and TD spiraled off in anotrher direction and augered in. IMHO, this release is just one more nail in TD's creative coffin). Anyhoo, if you want to give 'em a try, their WWW address is http://www.rpmrecords.com or call 'em at 214-681-8441. Standard disclaimer in effect... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Oct 26 16:03:21 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:03:21 -0400 Subject: HAWK: Stuff for sale on the net Message-ID: Oops - very sorry to anyone interested - I apparently didn't include the name and e-mail address of the one who posted the info. Here's the message again, complete with the sender listed at the top of the message: From: Ande Tucker Newsgroups: rec.music.marketplace.misc,rec.music.marketplace.vinyl Subject: Hawkwind (and related) 7"s & 12" - For Sale Date: 25 Oct 1995 22:05:24 GMT Organization: Force Majeure Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-ID: <46mcb4$nl3 at news1.deltanet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ana1042.deltanet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0.4_68K X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:10:08 GMT Xref: linus.mitre.org rec.music.marketplace.misc:911 rec.music.marketplace.vinyl:1730 I have the following vinyl for sale: =====HAWKWIND===== 7" - Silver Machine/7 By 7 (Israeli 1972 + Hebrew P/S) ---$150 7" - Kerb Crawler/ Honky Dorky (UK 1976 no P/S issued) ---$20 7" - Back on The Streets/Dream Of Isis (UK 1977 no P/S issued) ---$20 7" - Quark Strangeness & Charm/Forge Of Vulcan (UK 1977 no P/S issued) ---$20 7" - Psi Power/Death Trap (UK 1978 no P/S issued) ---$20 7" - Silver Machine/+ 2 (UK 10th anniversary 7" + P/S) ---$10 12" - Quark Strangeness & Charm/+3 (UK 1994 mispress on clear vinyl) ---$25 =====RELATED===== 7" - Nik Turner - Thoth (mix)/Lunar Sea (nos W/L test press of unreleased 7") ---$40 7" - Pressurehed (Niks backing band) - The Right Stuff (ltd ed of 500 in P/S) ---$3 7" - Lunar Malice (ex PINK FAIRIES) - Gunfire In The Night/Touched By The Fire (inc Mick Farren numbered ltd ed of 500 on clear vinyl in P/S) ---$3 All titles are at least VG/EX or M (according Record Collector magazine gradings). Postage extra at cost. From rhame at CTP.COM Thu Oct 26 14:07:13 1995 From: rhame at CTP.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 14:07:13 -0400 Subject: Current lineup? Message-ID: HI Folks, Just joined the list, quite interesting so far.. Here's a couple of questions, forgive me if I'm re-hashing old topics: Whos's BOC's current bass player? Is he permanent, or just passing through? I was dissapointed to hear that John Rodgers left, as I consider him almost an "original" since he was with the band for such a long time. Also, on the "Blue Jean Network" concert from 1981, is Al the drummer or Rick Downey? I saw BOC live on the ETL tour, which was my first concert ever, and still owe it to Joe's bass solo that I started to play. However, my biggest regret WRT BOC is that I didn't get to see the lineup live. OK, while I'm writing, and because it sounds like Al reads this list, from Imaginos, is "Frankenstein" a seperate excusrsion into our time by Les Invisibles, or is Frankenstein another role assumed by Imaginos? Rich -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Rich Hamel ! ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! I hear the music, daylight disk. ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! Three men in black said "Don't ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! report this". ! ! (617)-374-8266 ! ! ! rhame at ctp.com ! "Ascension!" that's all they said. ! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Oct 26 15:41:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:41:00 PDT Subject: Anybody Seen 3Pak at the ... Message-ID: Interesting. No apparent re-mastering, no exciting packaging just the threee essential BOC's. The price dosen't appear to be out of line either, so it is as I anticipated a good buy for someone looking to get these three cd's for the first time or a great bargain for a BOC newbie looking to explore the bands roots. Just returned from Best Buy and suprisingly, 1) they did not have 3Pak and 2) they have raised the price on the original 3 cd's from $7.88 to $8.99. I'm assuming they are about to get a supply of 3 paks. Looking at the Sony Web page BOC was not the only r'n'r veterans to have a three pak, James Taylor and many others were also slated for release on Oct. 24. AB Music Note: Dr. Cutouts is at it again. Just picked up for review: Magnum - Wings of Heaven (1988) Kansas- In the Spirit of Things (1988) Edgar Winters- Mission Earth* (1989) Songs Composed by L. Ron Hubbard - interesting Note the above tapes were 3 for $5.00 Great White - Great White (1984) $5.99 for cd Con Funk Shun - Ffun Compilation of their greatest hits. A leftover from my Disco days Band produced some tremendous ballads. ==================================================================== I just got back from a business trip to Colorado Springs, and I saw the 3 pack out there. As suspected, it is simply the first 3 CDs boxed together - the original CD numbers are on the sides of the CDs, so I'm sure they're exactly the same. The packaging is pretty simple. While I didn't understand the need for Sony to do this, a few listmembers indicated that they would buy it. I would say that if you don't yet have the first 3 albums on CD (and IMHO, these 3 albums are "must haves" for anyone into BOC), then this 3pack is for you - but only because it is probably a cheaper way to get the discs. There's nothing new here, but the price is right. The 3pack I saw was going for $20, which is certainly a good price for 3 discs. If you shop around, you may find a record store selling BOC albums for a price that would beat out the price of the 3pack, but these aren't that easy to come by. Just for comparative purposes, the store where I saw the 3pack was also selling WOTT for $19. John From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Oct 26 15:45:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:45:00 PDT Subject: Sony Web site Message-ID: This could be good news for the band that Sony is showing so much interest and spending a little money on the band. Lets keep our fingers crsooed Sony is willing to do more like release the rare stuff or front a new recording. AB I just checked out Sony's BOC page. It is pretty good -- good enough that I'm gonna rate the Sony web site as HOT in the next rev. of the FAQ. There's some cool pictures, sound bytes, a web page ad for WOTT (where you can read Arthur Levy's hallucinations which are the liner notes, and also here sound clips of some of the tracks), and links to a few BOC pages on the net (which they make the disclaimer that of course Sony isn't responsible for their content). I didn't expect such a good web page from a corporate giant like Sony though - check it out. John From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Oct 26 16:52:56 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:52:56 -0400 Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF... Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-26 13:34:06 EDT, you write: >Eric's attitude makes it feel as if he looks on me as lower class BOC fan. >This is rubbish - I reckon the quality of the discussion and the level of >belief and appriciation in _ALL_ aspects of BOC (except Stve Schenck) is >really as high here as it can get. I think it's just a matter of choice...he prefers AOL over Prodigy, Compuserve etc etc... I really don't think he would switch, since there's such a big following on AOL, and if he were to "lurk" on BOC-L, he probly wouldn't have the time for it between the AOL Board, personal EMail he already gets and other stuff like playin in BOC and doin' the family thing... EB said "from what I've heard that list is negative"...I've been subscribed since February (and there are members on here who've been on here far longer than I have) and for awhile it was negative...but now it is better than ever since I've been subscribed and IMO has a superior level of content opposed to AOL or Prodigy...AOL seems to have a "we're not worthy" (eg if I were to say that "Club Ninja is the worst BOC album ever" there would be a multitude of responses to jump to its defense) attitude among the participants over there but there's alot of firsthand BOC info, Prodigy is more laid-back and strolling off-topic is a common occurence but it is a fun and close-knit board, alt.music.blueoystercult needs more participants, and BOC-L seems to be the "thinkin' man's forum"... ROBO From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Oct 26 16:01:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 13:01:00 PDT Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: > As for Lips yeah that was really a suprise. Don't know what made them decide to do it but it was definitely spur of the moment. Eric had to reference the lyrics from the monitor in front of him. >Well, couldn't have been TOO spur of the moment if they had the lyrics >there! Actually, according the the review at Cyberbaron's web page, the >band had gotten lots of on-line requests to do this one so they added it >to the set. Well the lyrics aren't that detailed and if they had been practicing it for a while I'd imagine he wouldn't have too much trouble doing them. Now if only I could see them when they do Tatoo Vampire, Golden Age and Divine Wind. One of these days I will have heard them do live all of the songs I ever wanted. >How about a big BOC-L push for bringing back the Subhuman? Don't know if Bloom will listen to alot input from BOC-L ;-) Seriously though, there are ALOT of old BOC tunes that I wouldn't mind seeing BOC do live - some that probably may not have ever been done live. The band has such a rich catalog of material that they could perform if they decided to work it up - not to mention that there's a fair amount of new stuff (or at least unreleased) that could be performed. >Yeah I know but ME262 is very nostalgic for me >Gee, one of the knocks about BOC is their focus on the nostalgic and >here you go getting all nostalgic here -- ain't you the guy that wanted >them to do different stuff, maybe even in the "alternative" vein? ;-) Alternative,? Moi? Never! I would like to see them do more accoustical numbers though. Twas looking forward to hearing In Thee done the way its been described. Unfortunatley the guitars never made it to the show thus they kept the format but used the electric ones. It was a pretty interesting rendition. Quite good to IMO. >Godzilla really didn't get a major reaction out of the crowd. Probably way too many BOC veteran fans who have had their fill of the song. >Well, every BOC show I've been at (including one this year, and one last >year), 'Zilla gets a MAJOR reaction from the crowd -- quite frankly, >when I saw 'em last year, the band could've just played and let the >audience sing the song, 'cuz I think they drowned out the band anyway. >And, as predictable as it is, and as much as I personally want other >material from the band, I was swept up in the moment and singing right >along, pumping my fist in the air - the whole 9 yards. Don't get me wrong the reaction to the song was pretty good but I've seen stronger. Again I think there were a lot of veterans there who weren't as enthused hearing Zilla, me being one of them. >Nope, I think you'd find more fans in the crowd disappointed not to hear >"The Big 3" than you might think. Oh I would agree with you on that 100%. Its probably damn near impossible to drop these from the show. Reason being they are the bands 3 most identifiable songs, not the best mind you, but easily the most recognizable to the general public. Look at all the compilations out there. Pretty hard to find a comp, containg some BOC thats not Reaper, Burnin or Zilla. I'm sure there must be some somewhere out there, I've never seen one. > Seriously, they really should take one last shot at putting these on disc even if they have to do it themselves. >Well, I hope it isn't a "last shot", but I know what you mean. I do >think, however, that something will happen (hey, perhaps if things go >well for Sony on the nostalgia bit, they'll work something out for the >new stuff) - presumably alot of the music is recorded, and I think that >it will come out in some form next year. I don't have any "insider >information" - I just have a hunch. Do the gut checks usually come true John, I hope so. >BTW which version do you prefer John, I vote for Al. >Well, I've grown very accustomed to Eric's version of "Cities on Flame" >since by the time I first saw BOC live, Albert was out of the band (which >is too bad, 'cuz I probably had one shot to see them on the "Black and >Blue" tour, but couldn't go). But I do like Albert's vocals on the song >as well, and his "multi-cultural" version is great. The versions I've >heard of both Joe and Buck singing this song were on tape and not live, >so perhaps I would be more enthusiastic about them if I saw them live. >Neither was bad, but seemed to lack the proper energy. The thing >about "Cities on Flame" that Albert so necessarily provided for me, >however, was the DRUMS - the whole real hook of that song for me was >always that "Bum bum ba BUM" on the bass drum in-between the guitar >lines. Last time I saw BOC live (the day after I got to see the Brain >Surgeons do it), I was disappointed to see that Chuck Burgi had completely >eliminated that bit from the song. Albert may not be known these days >as one of the top drummers in rock, but his sense of rhythm always has >impressed me -- often subtle, but rich in variety and complexity, and >always blending nicely with what the song demands. >John Al's version is special to me. Its like Hot Rails on ETL Eric just doesn't quite sound right doing it. Its not that he sounds bad or anything I just love the Bouchard vocals versions. In regards to Chuck Burgi last year I thought he and John Rodgers were pretty good. This year I would say that Danny and John worked much better. AB From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Oct 26 16:57:14 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:57:14 -0400 Subject: BOC: online chats/radio alert!! In-Reply-To: <951026142818_55057931@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "Rob Maerz" at Oct 26, 95 02:28:19 pm Message-ID: Amidst a distasteful plug for AOL and Prodigy, Rob Maerz writes: > now for something new: > I am organizing a monthly BOC TriviaChat on Prodigy...(like I said, if you've > downloaded the FAQ and surf the WWW, you already know that Prodigy is home of > the "Four Winds Bar"...) this is gonna be kewl! we'll have a TriviaChat for > about an hr every month and if you have a sound card, you can participate in > a BOCWAV file distribution list so you can hear all the kewl sounds like > ROBO's theme song (which happens to be the riff for "Sheep", btw)... Can you tell us more about these BOC .WAV files? Will any of them be "official" and originate from the band themselves? And will they be put onto the BOC-L ftp site so that those of us who wish not to be taken to the cleaners by having to subscribe to AOL or Prodigy can get access to them? Cheers, Paul "happy with his local $8.50/month no-hourly-charge ISP" Mather obUsedMegaBargain: Kyuss, _Welcome to Sky Valley_ (it's one of the great disasters of this century that this lot split up. boo hoo hoo...) e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Oct 26 18:04:56 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:04:56 -0500 Subject: New Porcupine Tree at RPM Recs (was Area S4 in US) Message-ID: >They also have(had, maybe) a CD version of the Porcupine Tree STAIRCASE >INFINITES ltd. release in stock, > >Anyhoo, if you want to give 'em a try, their WWW address is > >http://www.rpmrecords.com > >or call 'em at 214-681-8441. > >Standard disclaimer in effect... > > -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com I have been in touch with RPM Records this past week, inquiring about the new Porcupine Tree "Staircase Infinities". They inform me that this is a re-release of an early PTree 10" vinyl. It is approx. 30 minutes long, on CD. Price: $12.99. The song list is: Cloud Zero The Jokes on You Navigator Rainy Taxi Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape Possibly this is related to the UK release "Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape", which contained (remastered?) versions of stuff from the early PTree releases. Unable to confirm so far, but I will double-check my "YHD" CD when I get home. Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Oct 26 19:00:42 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:00:42 -0600 Subject: Las Vegas unplugged. In-Reply-To: <951026142818_55057931@mail04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: ROBO & BOC-L Hey, I have a teacher friend of mine that just moved to Vegas (more money) and I am going to give her a call tonight to see if she could tape the show. I'm not making any promises, but It may actually work out IF we find out ahead of time what time & what station. Later.......Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Oct 26 18:20:26 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 18:20:26 -0400 Subject: BOC: online chats/radio alert!! In-Reply-To: <9510262057.AA16396@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Oct 1995, Paul Mather wrote: > > obUsedMegaBargain: Kyuss, _Welcome to Sky Valley_ (it's one of the > great disasters of this century that this lot split up. boo hoo hoo...) Despite Deb's "insider info" that this band was suffering a lack of career direction, I think that musically they picked up a major head of steam between _Blues for the Red Sun_, and _Welcome to Sky Valley_. I like _Blues_ well enough, but I *have* to have my weekly dose of _Sky Valley_, or I get downright irritable. I heard that they either released, or were working on, a new album. Is it out, or did the split nix it? By the way, I still have a half written concert & album review of the Brain Surgeons - but my job hunt, which was taking all my time, has finally panned out into a job, which is taking all my time. Sigh. Steve From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Thu Oct 26 23:13:38 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:13:38 EST Subject: Off Topic: Kyuss's new album Message-ID: I don't know if the album has been released, but I have a radio single of the song "One Inch Man" from the album "...And the Circus Leaves Town". I have limited experience with Kyuss, but I enjoy the song. I don't know how it compares with their earlier work. Here's what Alan Di Perna of Guitar World magazine said about it: Kyuss: ...And the Circus Leaves Town **** He says that it "packs a lot of classic metal chug and wallop, but this band's forte will always be the long, mesmerizing groove." He mentions their sense of humor and that their "heaviest interludes are too sidewinding and off-kilter for plain old headbanging." This is actually a review by Jessica Willis, I mixed her up with the guy praising the Velvet Underground Box Set. Oops. Anyway, she seems to really enjoy it so if you see it around it might be worth getting. Brian From jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM Thu Oct 26 23:16:39 1995 From: jmalcolm at URAEUS.COM (J. Malcolm) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 23:16:39 -0400 Subject: Off Topic: Kyuss's new album In-Reply-To: <00998778.C37BDCC2.35@bigvax.alfred.edu> Message-ID: BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN writes: > I don't know if the album has been released, but I have a radio >single of the song "One Inch Man" from the album "...And the Circus Leaves >Town". The album has been released. I bought it last Sunday. As my first exposure to Kyuss, I think it's pretty cool. "One Inch Man" is indeed a good song, which does mostly capture the feel of the album, although the album is mellower in places. From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Oct 27 03:03:53 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 03:03:53 -0400 Subject: BOC: online chats/radio alert!! Message-ID: In a message dated 95-10-26 17:04:29 EDT, you write: >Amidst a distasteful plug for AOL and Prodigy, Rob Maerz writes: > would a tasteful plug say that AOL and Prodigy suck? >Can you tell us more about these BOC .WAV files? Will any of them be >"official" and originate from the band themselves? And will they be put >onto the BOC-L ftp site so that those of us who wish not to be taken >to the cleaners by having to subscribe to AOL or Prodigy can get access >to them? > >Cheers, > >Paul "happy with his local $8.50/month no-hourly-charge ISP" Mather I'm glad you're happy...I guess we're all happy as a matter of fact, eh? I dunno what constitutes an "official" wav file...I can make a wav file w/ no prob using the Sound Blaster wav studio and the CDROM drive...just pick your fave BOC soundbyte, record, edit and save... I hope to have wav files at the Underbelly, whenever that may be...there are wav files currently at the Flaming Telepaths WWW site and on the Sony BOC WWW site... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Oct 27 03:12:35 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 03:12:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: online chats/radio alert!! Message-ID: this is the only other info I have on the Vegas "Unplugged"...pick a few classic rock stations in the area and start callin! ROBO Subj: San Diego, etc. Date: 95-10-26 23:37:17 EDT From: OYSTRBOY Hope to see alot of u this weekend...San Diego, Riverside, Las Vegas...a Cleveland show was just added the day after Sarver, Pa...the 3rd week of Nov. Rumor of a Long Island show immediately following Cleveland. Doing a live radio thing in Vegas, playing a tune or two, 5:30 local time. Looks like somewhere in Florida for New Years, surrounded by other Fl. shows..but not confirmed yet. From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Oct 26 22:13:28 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:13:28 +1100 Subject: HW Alien (I Am) Message-ID: On 24 Oct 95 at 14:34, Derrick Chilton wrote: > >> Which was the last album to have a lyrics insert? Was it _Church_? > > I thought Chronicle of the Black Sword was... > Well at least the Ltd Edition Flicknife LP did. The Australian Flicknife release DIDN't have any printed lyrics! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/my.html /////// : ; --- Fly! Thought for the sleepless night: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you. From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Oct 27 05:12:19 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:12:19 +0000 Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST In-Reply-To: <30901291@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: > > Al's version is special to me. Its like Hot Rails on ETL Eric just doesn't > quite sound right doing it. Is that Eric? It sounds like Joe to me. Dave From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Oct 27 05:49:33 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:49:33 +0100 Subject: Off Topic: Kyuss's new album In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:13:38 EST." <00998778.C37BDCC2.35@bigvax.alfred.edu> Message-ID: Yeah their 4th and last was "...And the Circus Leaves Town". Haven't got round to getting it myself, but 3 of the tracks (El Rodeo, Hurricane, Day One) were on the Demon Cleaner single. People on the (defunct) Kyuss list were rather disappointed by it, expecting something following on from Sky Valley ... hey, weren't we all. :) ATCLT it was thought generally suffered from being a bit lighter and quirky, and more to the point, short song length. For the Kyuss die-hards, there are several apocryphal EPs etc around, like Sons of Kyuss, Katzenjammer, Pools of Mercury, mostly untrue. Some of the later singles have unreleased tracks, like Un Sandpiper on them. Not that you ever see them this side of the pond :-( Tim From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 27 08:21:04 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:21:04 -0400 Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: > Al's version is special to me. Its like Hot Rails on ETL Eric just doesn't > quite sound right doing it. Is that Eric? It sounds like Joe to me. I believe it is Joe -- I've never seen or heard Eric do Hot Rails, and the song was dropped when Joe left the band. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 27 08:33:37 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:33:37 -0400 Subject: Current lineup? Message-ID: Rich (welcome aboard!) asks a few that I can answer: > Whos's BOC's current bass player? Is he permanent, or just passing through? Current bassplayer is Danny Miranda - as far as I know, he's permanent. Greg Smith was a temporary replacement after Jon Rogers left. Haven't seen Danny live (did see Greg and he was great), but everything I've heard about him has been very positive. Also, in case you didn't know, Chuck Burgi has also left the band, and has been replaced by former Rainbow drummer John O'Reilly. I believe he is also permanent. > Also, on the "Blue Jean Network" concert from 1981, is Al the drummer or Rick Downey? That would be Rick. >I saw BOC live on the ETL tour, which was my first concert ever, and still owe it to Joe's bass solo that I started to play. That tour was my first BOC show as well - based on your current address, I was wondering - did you see them at the Worcester Centrum? That's where I saw them. Also, I dabble a little with the bass and Joe was also one of my biggest inspirations. >is "Frankenstein" a seperate excusrsion into our time by Les Invisibles, or is Frankenstein another role assumed by Imaginos? Ah, time to pick up the Imaginos thread again! :-) I can't give any definitive answer on this one, but I believe that Dr. F. is another role assumed by Imaginos -- corruption by technology (creating life -- "World without end") rather than by gold. Hmm . . . here's a thought - when the Spaniards met the Aztecs, they created genocide - the taking of life. Later, we have Frankenstein trying to create life -- sort of a cycle completing here, with Les Invisibles first destroying life, and then attempting to undo that by creating life. Oh, but I must stop now. John From thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM Fri Oct 27 09:42:00 1995 From: thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM (Matt Thompson) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:42:00 E Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: >> Al's version is special to me. Its like Hot Rails on ETL Eric just doesn't >> quite sound right doing it. > >Is that Eric? It sounds like Joe to me. > >Dave It is Joe singing on ETL. Eric has said that they would never do Hot Rails after Joe left because it is his song. Matt Thompson thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com From thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM Fri Oct 27 09:58:00 1995 From: thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM (Matt Thompson) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:58:00 E Subject: Kick Out the Jams Message-ID: Lyrics to "Kick Out the Jams" as promised. This is from the 1978 Blue Oyster Cult Anthology songbook (words and music by Robert Deminer, Frederick D. Smith, Wayne Kambes, Dennis Tomich and Michael Davis). Note: It doesn't have the intro of either "Kick out the jams brothers and sisters" (from the BOC and censured MC5 version) or "Kick out the jams motherfuckers" (from the original MC5 version). Well I feel pretty good and I guess that I could get crazy now, baby 'Cause we all get in tune and the dressing room gets hazy now baby Well I know how you like it, child: hot, sweet, and tight The girls can't stand it when you do it right; When you're up on the stand And let me kick out the jams, yes! Kick out the jams, come on, kick 'em out! Well I'm startin' to sweat you know my shirt's all wet what a feelin' And the sound that abounds, and resounds and rebounds off the ceiling Yeah you gotta have a baby you can't do without 'Cause when when you got that feelin' you got the sound above Put that mike in my hand And let me kick out the jams, yes! Kick out the jams, come on kick 'em out! You know I gotta get it up you know I can't get enough, Miss Mackenzie Yeah, the sound in my brain, you know it drives me insane with the frenzy Yeah, the wailin' guitars and the crash of the drums Make me wanna keep a rockin' til the morning comes Let me be who I am And let me kick out the jams, yes! Kick out the jams, I done kicked 'em out! Matt Thompson thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Oct 27 09:39:44 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:39:44 -0400 Subject: Porcupine Tree STAIRCASE INFINITIES In-Reply-To: <9510261704.A11342@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Oct 26, 95 05:04:56 pm Message-ID: Captain Cloud sky-wrote across my screen of blue... > > > I have been in touch with RPM Records this past week, inquiring > about the new Porcupine Tree "Staircase Infinities". They inform > me that this is a re-release of an early PTree 10" vinyl. It is > approx. 30 minutes long, on CD. Price: $12.99. The song list is: > > Cloud Zero > The Jokes on You > Navigator > Rainy Taxi > Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape With the exception of "YHD", this is all material that was not released from the recording sessions of "Up The Downstair". The version of "YHD" on S_I is slightly different than the the Y_H_D, release (no band member intros, "The Cross" isn't the beginning of the song spring to mind). The 10" was released about a year ago. > > Possibly this is related to the UK release "Yellow Hedgerow > Dreamscape", which contained (remastered?) versions of stuff from > the early PTree releases. Unable to confirm so far, but I will > double-check my "YHD" CD when I get home. > > Captain Cloud > cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com > More related to "UTD" than "YHD", IMHO. YHD is more akin, however, to ...ON THE SUNDAY OF LIFE. You are correct about the remastering of some of the material for the releases. Still waiting for the full release of VOYAGE 34... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Oct 27 09:46:35 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:46:35 -0400 Subject: BOC: online chats/radio alert!! In-Reply-To: <951027030352_55780971@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "Rob Maerz" at Oct 27, 95 03:03:53 am Message-ID: Rob Maerz writes: > >Amidst a distasteful plug for AOL and Prodigy, Rob Maerz writes: > > would a tasteful plug say that AOL and Prodigy suck? No. People can lavish their money however they choose. The distasteful thing about it was the fact it appeared on BOC-L at all. > >Paul "happy with his local $8.50/month no-hourly-charge ISP" Mather > > I'm glad you're happy...I guess we're all happy as a matter of fact, eh? Actually, I lied. I get my dial-in account paid for me. But that is what the local ISP charges. ;-) > I dunno what constitutes an "official" wav file...I can make a wav file w/ no > prob using the Sound Blaster wav studio and the CDROM drive...just pick your > fave BOC soundbyte, record, edit and save... Well, what I was really asking was what would be the content of these .WAV files. Would any of them be "unreleased material" provided by the band? But, from what you say, it seems they will just be clips snarfed from extant CDs. Btw, I hope AOL and Prodigy folks do the maths on this one. At $10/hour or whatever connect charge, it'd probably be cheaper just to buy the official CD than to download one or two songs worth. (For example, a CD-quality .WAV file of just the guitar solo [~25 seconds] from "Stones In My Passway" from _Trepanation_ is almost 1MB in size. That would take about 15 minutes [=$2.50] to download using a 14.4 modem; more if, like in my case, the local AOL access point supports only up to 2400 baud [extending the download time to over an hour, or >$10 for this particular snippet].) You'd also have the advantage of being on far less shaky ground, copyright wise... Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Smashing Pumpkins, _Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From rhame at CTP.COM Fri Oct 27 09:37:51 1995 From: rhame at CTP.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:37:51 -0400 Subject: Current lineup? In-Reply-To: <199510271233.IAA29278@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Oct 27, 95 08:33:37 am Message-ID: > That tour was my first BOC show as well - based on your current address, > I was wondering - did you see them at the Worcester Centrum? That's > where I saw them. Also, I dabble a little with the bass and Joe was > also one of my biggest inspirations. Hi, yeah, it was at the Centrum, with Also Nova. I was blown away! I can clearly remember a lot of the the show even after 14 years or whatever. > > Ah, time to pick up the Imaginos thread again! :-) I can't give any > definitive answer on this one, but I believe that Dr. F. is another > role assumed by Imaginos -- corruption by technology (creating life -- > "World without end") rather than by gold. Hmm . . . here's a thought - > when the Spaniards met the Aztecs, they created genocide - the taking of > life. Later, we have Frankenstein trying to create life -- sort of a > cycle completing here, with Les Invisibles first destroying life, and > then attempting to undo that by creating life. Oh, but I must stop now. Based on the fact that that song isn't much tied in with the other songs (notable exception in the "Your Master" part of In the Presence..." I'm of the opinion that this was something Les Invisibles had going on the side. Of course the unpublished songs may clarify this. Rich -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Rich Hamel ! ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! I hear the music, daylight disk. ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! Three men in black said "Don't ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! report this". ! ! (617)-374-8266 ! ! ! rhame at ctp.com ! "Ascension!" that's all they said. ! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Oct 27 09:59:57 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:59:57 -0400 Subject: HW: Lyrics with Flicknife _CoTBS_ LP In-Reply-To: from "Paul G Ward" at Oct 27, 95 01:13:28 pm Message-ID: Paul G Ward writes: > The Australian Flicknife release DIDN't have any printed lyrics! Not all the British versions of the LP had printed lyrics, either. Mine doesn't, for example, but a friend's (who bought it the day it was released) does. I think the tour programme from that era has an advert for _CoTBS_ that says the first 10,000 copies or so include lyrics. Maybe Australia got LPs from the later pressings? Or maybe, like me, you were just unlucky and didn't get one with lyrics in it. Cheers, Paul. obBevisFrond: The local record emporium has BF's new _Superseeder_ album. But at $20 (import) I'm a little hesitant. They have four or five copies, if anyone's interested. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Oct 27 10:09:47 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:09:47 GMT Subject: Source for Area S.4. in the US (Rare PT, too!) In-Reply-To: Craig Shipley's message of Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:43:50 -0400 Message-ID: Craig Shipley writes: > FYI, I used to be the world's biggest TD fan, but then I lost weight, > and TD spiraled off in anotrher direction and augered in. Aha! So it's *your* fault. FoFP From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Oct 27 10:25:47 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:25:47 -0400 Subject: Source for Area S.4. in the US (Rare PT, too!) In-Reply-To: <9510271409.aa15743@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "M Holmes" at Oct 27, 95 02:09:47 pm Message-ID: > > Craig Shipley writes: > > > FYI, I used to be the world's biggest TD fan, but then I lost weight, > > and TD spiraled off in anotrher direction and augered in. > > Aha! So it's *your* fault. > > FoFP > I thought _everything_ was Steve Swanns' fault! But, in this case, its' Edgars' fault. But, hell, it could be my fault. "Some people claim, Linda Spa is to blame, but I know, it's all Edgars' fault!" - With apologies to Mr. Buffett. -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Oct 27 08:55:32 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 23:55:32 +1100 Subject: HW: My WWW Pages have moved! Message-ID: Hiya All, I've started re-working my WWW pages, and all the HW stuff has moved as a result! Home Page:http//aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ HW Links: http//aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hawkwind/hwlinks.html Hawkdisk: http//aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hawkwind/ifoundhw.html http//aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hawkwind/gimmehw.html Reviews: http//aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hawkwind/reviews/hwreview.html Top 100: http//aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hawkwind/hwtop100.html I think that that covers it! Paul -- Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Oct 27 12:51:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:51:00 PDT Subject: Bloom's attitude again. Message-ID: I see we are touching the AOL vs. BOC-L thing again. I'm not flaming any body's point of veiw in regards to this but would like to make a couple of breif comments: 1) BOC-L is negative - The only way for Eyes to get this opinion is a) soemone is a part of BOC-l and AOL and has passed this point of view to Eyes or perhaps posted selected info for Eyes to see b) Eyes may have played lurker in the past and saw soemthing he did not like. In his defense when someone posted his response on this service I think Eyes did not want to join BOC-L because of a heavy commitment to AOL and the group that was formed there. I distinctly recall the end of his message stating if someone could show him something better he would take a look at it. I interpreted this as meaning if there were a service were the AOL, Prodgidy and BOC-L crew could all access that would be great. I did not intepret it as meaning AOL is superior to BOC-L becuase of the suscribers on either list. I may be wrong but thats how I read it. 2) A source close to the band provided me with this insight on Eyes; he is a man that just will not deal with negatives. Eyes is strictly and soley a positive person. He will not allow anything to rain on his parade and will find a positive aspect to every situation. In any situation or any person there are positive to be found and he looks hard for them not matter what. Really if Eyes has a fault it is that he prefers positives over negatives with everything he does, with the people he works with etc., We should have national leaders who have these type of characteristics. 3) I did not have an opportunity to meet Eyes after the show at Jaxx, but some veterans I have talked to informed me that Eyes is usually the first one out to meet and great the fans. He is patient in answering questions and talks freely with people. He dosen't sound like a guy who prefers one type of fan over another witht he exception of truly negative people. This is just my opinion, but I don't see anything wrong with that. So again, this is a forum to discuss the band and opionions that relate to the band and its members. These opinions should be freely expressed and accepted by others as the legitimate opinions of the author. My opinion is that the AOL vs BOC-L flap was not a slight to the fine folks here on this service, rather it was Eyes expression that he preferred AOL for reasons other than the folks who populate either. AB From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 27 11:58:49 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:58:49 -0400 Subject: BOC: Centrum in '82, More on Imaginos Message-ID: Replying to a few of Rich Hamel's comments: >, it was at the Centrum, with Also Nova. I was blown away! I can clearly remember a lot of the the show even after 14 years or whatever. Yeah, very memorable for me (although Aldo Nova's guitar cranked up at 11 and all those high notes left my ears ringing for days). A great concert, and if you've lurked for a few weeks, you may have seen my post of how my brother and I stayed at the hotel where the band was at that night, and I happened to be in the men's room when Buck Dharma himself came up to the adjacent urinal. > Based on the fact that that song isn't much tied in with the other songs (notable exception in the "Your Master" part of In the Presence..." I'm of the opinion that this was something Les Invisibles had going on the side. Of course the unpublished songs may clarify this. A few points here. As far as something Les Invisibles had "on the side", remember that Imaginos was an actor playing many roles. This kind of goes along a thread on here awhile back asking if there was more than one Imaginos. My take on it is that there was only one, and as an agent for Les Invisibles, he took on several roles (probably many more that were not discussed on the Imaginos album) - one example is the speculation that the role of the ME-262 pilot (in the song of the same name) may have been another role of Imaginos (or perhaps his "Captain Von Ondine" - there's some speculation about this in the FAQ, as well as Bryce "The Subhuman" Baker's mini-thesis on Imaginos). As for the "unpublished" songs, there are only a few that I know of and they may not clarify the issue of Frankenstein. However, this leads me to a question that perhaps Al can answer -- did the songs done for Imaginos (both what was on, and left off, the album) represent all of Pearlman's writings in this area? Or, did he right an even larger set of poems as part of "The Soft Doctrines of Immaginos" that go beyond what you put to music? John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Oct 27 13:03:23 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 12:03:23 EST Subject: Bloom's attitude again. Message-ID: > 3) I did not have an opportunity to meet Eyes after the show at Jaxx, but > some veterans I have talked to informed me that Eyes is usually the first > one out to meet and great the fans. He is patient in answering questions > and talks freely with people. He dosen't sound like a guy who prefers one > type of fan over another witht he exception of truly negative people. This > is just my opinion, but I don't see anything wrong with that. > > So again, this is a forum to discuss the band and opionions that relate to > the band and its members. These opinions should be freely expressed and > accepted by others as the legitimate opinions of the author. My opinion is > that the AOL vs BOC-L flap was not a slight to the fine folks here on this > service, rather it was Eyes expression that he preferred AOL for reasons > other than the folks who populate either. > > AB AB, I,ve talked with EB on a few occasions, after club gigs, no less, after the band's heyday, and have always found him congenial, even when I was drunk and babbling at him. He is the first band member to greet the fans (well, maybe a tie with Buck) and the only time he ever came close to shitting on me was when I needled him about omitting 'Wings of Mercury' from BOC recordings. I would say that Buck was even more friendly than Eric, but both were decent people. People shouldn't expect too much, even from their heroes, who are, after all, humans same as us, and subject to the same stresses we all are... theo From thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM Fri Oct 27 16:16:00 1995 From: thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM (Matt Thompson) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:16:00 E Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: Some thoughts on the recent Cities on Flame discussion: I agree about missing Al's drumming on the song. However, he always seemed to improvise the fills before the last verse and sometimes they were great and sometimes they left me wanting the album versions. Al's singing definitely had character. It wasn't technical and there were some missed notes at times but the feeling was always there. I thought it was there for Eric in the beginning as well. I actually like the singing on the ETL version. My biggest complaint is that he seems to be mailing this one in lately. He's kinda lazy on the "cities on flame" line of the chorus. I liked how on ETL he sings "cities on flame" once on the chorus the first time, "cities on flame they're on flame" on the second time, and "cities on flame, cities on flame, cities on flame" the third time. Now he's practically blowing off the whole line. Anyone know if there's any truth to there being a BOC show in North Hampton, MA on November 11? Any other New England shows that weekend? I will be in Boston that weekend and would love to make a show since they don't seem to be scheduled to come to Atlanta soon (although I plan on making some of the FL shows if they happen). Matt Thompson thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 27 15:31:47 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:31:47 -0400 Subject: Quote by Patti Smith? Message-ID: While searchin' the web for bass-related stuff, I came across a rather strange (and probably offensive to alot of women) page about women who play bass (it was titled, "Chicks and the Bass Guitar..."). The top of the page had the following quote, which was attributed to Patti Smith. I post it here 'cuz while I don't claim to know much about Patti Smith (other than the fact that she used to be involved with Allen Lanier, and co-penned a few BOC and Brain Surgeons tunes), I guess I wouldn't have expected her to say this. Comments, anyone? "Rock and Roll is for men. Real Rock and Roll is a man's job. I want to see a man up there. I want to see a man's muscles, a man's veins. I don't want to see no chick's tit banging against a bass." -- Patti Smith. John From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Fri Oct 27 15:15:11 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:15:11 EDT Subject: Misunderstood Message-ID: First of all, I apparently have been misunderstood by some regarding my BOC comments about their possible motivation. If you re-read my posting, I argue that the band did the small clubs more to make a living (i.e.-what they can make the most money at) than for the love of performing. I didn't say that they didn't like what they were doing for a living (which they're excellent at, BTW), just that as a consumer I don't like it. But hey, if they can make alot of money, more power to them! I wish them immense wealth. Part of it will be my money :-) since I will continue to support them. To put it another way, a "starving artist" will continue to perform for the love of performing. I remember a time when BOC had pyrotechnics, a huge Zilla behind the stage.....a time when they seemed more passionate than wealthy....and a time when, musically speaking, they kicked my ass and I liked it. This is based on seeing them outdoors in 1982 and again, in a club, around 1990. The contrast was striking....and disturbing. Perhaps the pendulum of passion for the music has swung the other way now, I wouldn't know because its been 5 years since I saw them. But I'll find out next month when I see them again, and maybe I'll change my opinion. One final point. For Pete's sake, I wish that folks would stop misinterpreting a little criticism as hatred for the band. In a previous post someone stole a line that I thought I made up. Its true: SOMETIMES, THE ONES WE LOVE THE MOST ARE THE ONES WE CRITICIZE THE MOST. Its only because we want the best for them. Of all the discussion groups I could have joined, I chose one about BOC. Doesn't that say anything? Fer cryin' out loud, does a person have to prove their fondness for a band to other members before saying something critical? Hell, my comments weren't even negative! I was just expressing my opinion and brooding over times gone by. Some people really need to lighten up. That's my opinion, and worth exactly what you paid for it. -Dr. Bob rkohl at state.de.us From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Oct 27 15:54:10 1995 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:54:10 -0500 Subject: OffTop: Linda Spa/TD (was: Area S.4.) In-Reply-To: <9510271425.AA13008@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Craig Shipley wrote: > I thought _everything_ was Steve Swanns' fault! But, in this case, its' > Edgars' fault. But, hell, it could be my fault. "Some people claim, > Linda Spa is to blame, but I know, it's all Edgars' fault!" - With > apologies to Mr. Buffett. Like anyone with a hormone to spare could place the blame on anything that looks like Linda Spa! ROWR! :) *sigh* May they play a show in Dallas next year (even if the music remains mediocre). Damon Capehart | UTD Student Govt. Assoc., Communications Committee; dcapehar at utdallas.edu | Society of Physics Students From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Oct 27 16:15:51 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:15:51 -0400 Subject: BOC @ JAXX/NIGHT OF THE HUGE GUITARIST Message-ID: Matt asks: >Anyone know if there's any truth to there being a BOC show in North Hampton, MA on November 11? Any other New England shows that weekend? I will be in Boston that weekend and would love to make a show I believe Cyberbaron's web page says that BOC will be in North ADAMS, not Northampton. However, I don't know where one would play in North Adams, and BOC DID play in Northampton (Pearl Street, I believe) earlier this year, so perhap BOC is really playing in Northampton (which is located about 2 hours west of Boston, half hour north of Springfield, just west of the little town of Hadley, where I spent the first 18 years of my life). I haven't heard of any other New England shows that weekend. John From thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM Fri Oct 27 17:40:00 1995 From: thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM (Matt Thompson) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:40:00 E Subject: BOC - Misunderstood Message-ID: >I remember a time when BOC had pyrotechnics, a huge >Zilla behind the stage.....a time when they seemed more passionate than >wealthy....and a time when, musically speaking, they kicked my ass and I >liked it. This is based on seeing them outdoors in 1982 and again, in a >club, around 1990. The contrast was striking....and disturbing. Frankly, to me they seemed more wealthy than passionate from ''79-'83 (and neither for the next 3 years). Pyrotechnics do not equate to passion for the music. They're set lists were as stagnant as they are now - a lot of it due to the coordination necessary for the effects. The reason the sets don't change much now is because of the new members. The band was a lot more spontaneous in terms of song selection in the late 80s with Ron Riddle and Jon Rogers because they had been playing longer together (with BOC and the Red and the Black). I remember seeing them on consecutive nights both in 88 and 89 and seeing very different sets. Sure the big 3 plus Cities and ETI were in both sets each time, but each night they pulled out a different set of gems - once in the middle of the set and once at the end. Black Blade, Golden Age of Leather, Unknown Tongue, Career of Evil, ...they had a lot more in their arsenal at that time. If you notice, they have been slowly adding songs to their repetoire with the new lineup and if they can keep it together they will continue to do so. When I listen to the boots, I find the 88-95 in general better perfomances than the 79-86 stuff. Matt Thompson thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Oct 27 16:50:15 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:50:15 -0400 Subject: OffTop: Linda Spa/TD (was: Area S.4.) In-Reply-To: from "Le Monsieur Damon" at Oct 27, 95 02:54:10 pm Message-ID: > > On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Craig Shipley wrote: > > I thought _everything_ was Steve Swanns' fault! But, in this case, its' > > Edgars' fault. But, hell, it could be my fault. "Some people claim, > > Linda Spa is to blame, but I know, it's all Edgars' fault!" - With > > apologies to Mr. Buffett. > > Like anyone with a hormone to spare could place the blame on anything that > looks like Linda Spa! ROWR! :) *sigh* May they play a show in Dallas > next year (even if the music remains mediocre). > > Damon Capehart | UTD Student Govt. Assoc., Communications Committee; > dcapehar at utdallas.edu | Society of Physics Students > My last word on this in the public forum... I love synthesizers, I love saxs, I love sax 'n' synths together (i.e. Passport, HW), I love(d) TD but ever since they added the sax to their lineup, the TD that I knew and loved was gone. S'cuze me, ladies of the BOC-L, for what is going to sound like a mighty sexist statement, but IMHO, Ms. Spa is merely eye candy. She contributes zero to the sound of the band, as she sounds like every other bland sax honker out there (at least Nik does a good waterfowl imitation!). Iffen ya ask me, TD lost its' way when Chris Franke left the band. The music that Edgar & Co. has been making since his departure sounds like he has gotten one groove in his head and keeps looping it over and over again, with minor variations. And TD used to be the band that led the rest of the world in innovative sounds and textures; now they just play the presets (IMHO)! Sorry, I'm ranting... I'll be glad to take this topic up via private e-mail. Haven't had any fun with TD since I left the mailing list; mebbe I should re-subscribe to go blast the new release! ;-) objCassette Deck: Minimum Vital / Sarabandes - One of my top ten of all time! Guitars, synths and accordians! :-) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Oct 27 18:49:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:49:00 PDT Subject: BOC Unplugged in Vegas? Message-ID: >AND EB said that this coming Monday that BOC will be doing an "unplugged >thing" at a Las Vegas radio station (Reaper & In Thee)...don't know exactly >what station it is, sorry...also, he said that "Foot" is still in the works >for the "Unplugged" set, and they're still woikin on it... An unplugged version of Reaper? No Way! Way hey hey. See, I may appear crazy to a lot of you guys but sometimes I know what I'm talking about. Jean, Manuel, Robo somebody get a tape of this pleeaaase! Wonder what else they are going to do. Recently saw Styx do some outakes/brief snippets of some of their greatest hits unplugged on Regis and Kathie Lee. If any of you AOL guys can get a message to Eyes tell them to add ME262 to the unplugged set; I'm telling you it can work. A(happy boy)B ROBO From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Fri Oct 27 13:31:59 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:31:59 -0400 Subject: BOC:Imaginos again? Message-ID: On 27-10-95 Rich Hamel wrote: > Based on the fact that that song isn't much tied in with the other songs > (notable exception in the "Your Master" part of In the Presence..." > I'm of the opinion that this was something Les Invisibles had going on > the side. Of course the unpublished songs may clarify this. I believe that it was just another persona. Time is not a concrete factor in Imaginos. Remember the "random access myth" part of the story? All the songs occur simultaneously. Just another thing to insure the commercial failure of the album. Oh well.....Hindsight is 20/20. The left off songs would probably clarify the connection. "Frank....." was originally a much longer song ( about 3x as long) and had a slow sweet intro section, a psychedelic section, the section that is what is on the album, a dramatic climax and the the sweet part again. SP and I decided to split it into 2 songs because the "World Without End" section just was not coming out heavy enough. The other parts we combined into the song "The Girl Love Made Blind" which was left off the album. It had lyrical ties to Astronomy and Magna and was the only case that I can think of where Sandy actually contributed musical ideas to a song. Al From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Fri Oct 27 13:32:15 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:32:15 -0400 Subject: BOC: Centrum in '82, More on Imaginos Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 1995 John Swartz replying to a few of Rich Hamel's comments wrote: > and they may not clarify the issue of Frankenstein. However, this > leads me to a question that perhaps Al can answer -- did the songs > done for Imaginos (both what was on, and left off, the album) > represent all of Pearlman's writings in this area? Or, did he right > an even larger set of poems as part of "The Soft Doctrines of Immaginos" > that go beyond what you put to music? Yes. Al From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Oct 27 18:19:43 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:19:43 -0400 Subject: BOC:Imaginos again? In-Reply-To: <9510271331.AA59002@worldlink.com> Message-ID: Albert Bouchard wrote: > The left off songs would probably clarify the connection. "Frank....." > was originally a much longer song ( about 3x as long) and had a slow sweet > intro section, a psychedelic section, the section that is what is on the > album, a dramatic climax and the the sweet part again. Jeez Al, you sure do know how to make us drool!!!!! (Any extant demos of this 3x-as-long version???) And I can't believe I read "World Without End" and "not heavy enough" in the same sentence... ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Smashing Pumpkins, _Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness_ ^ |-- I wonder if this recent prefix was inspired by "*The* BOC.?" ;-) e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Sat Oct 28 02:59:18 1995 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 16:59:18 +1000 Subject: Quote by Patti Smith? Message-ID: >wouldn't have expected her to say this. Comments, anyone? > >"Rock and Roll is for men. Real Rock and Roll is a man's job. I >want to see a man up there. I want to see a man's muscles, a man's > veins. I don't want to see no chick's tit banging against a bass." -- > Patti Smith. > > >John I like *Horses*, but I've only ever had a passing interest in Patti Smith so I'm not very qualified to comment. My wife is the fan in our house. But for my A$0.02, I'd be very surprised if she had said it. Maybe there's some insight for those with good eyes in Lillian Roxon's description of Patti. PATTI SMITH/ Watching Patti Smith perform onstage is like watching a head-on collision between Dondi and Machine Gun Kelly. On wax, she often sounds like a seance held at the Fillmore East during a typical late sixties blowout. She is alternately praised and damned for her literate (albeit bizarre) lyricism, erratic vocal delivery, and suicidal guitar style. Many of her fans claim that Patti Smith is, in part, responsible for the evolution of punk rock. Many of her detractors claim the same thing. The singer-songwriter-guitarist-poet-punk was born in Chicago but raised in New Jersey. A poet-in-residence in New York since the late sixties, Patti first began appearing onstage in a musical setting during 1973-74 when, backed by rock writer Lenny Kaye on guitar, she alternately read, sang, and chanted her poetry in various New York clubs. In 1974, Patti and her newly formed band (led by Kaye) cut their first homemade single, "Piss Factory". A number of local gigs followed which, ultimately, frightened most of the record companies in the New York metropolitan area into a state of near-stupor. Clive Davis of Arista, however, was willing to take a chance on the New Wave's patron saint, so Patti and entourage were signed. An initial release in 1975, "HORSES", made it to the lower half of the top LP charts and established Patti as an artist to be reckoned with. A second album, "RADIO ETHEOPIA", released a year later, was less enthusiastically greeted. Patti Smith, poet-rock star-artist, lists Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, William Burroughs, and Arthur Rimbaud as her main influences. [discography to 1976] ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Oct 28 14:30:09 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 18:30:09 +0000 Subject: Motorhead in London Message-ID: Does anyone know whether Motorhead are definately going to be playing in London on the 2nd? I have a hazy memory of Andy saying they were playing the Forum then ... Cheers, Carl From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sat Oct 28 15:34:39 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 19:34:39 GMT Subject: HW: new album out! Message-ID: ok - folks! The good news is that the album has been released at last. It's not in the shops yet but the postman woke me at 7.30am this morning 8-(( (on a Saturday!) and asked me to sign for this package. Finding Hawkwind inside was the only thing that could possibly have made that worthwhile. Album cover is the same as the single but the wording has been changed to ALLIEENN4 with the first of each of the doubled letters printed as a mirror image of the other - if that makes sense! On a quick first hearing this is basically heavy Hawkwind with menace. I always thought of Death Trap as a heavy song but its inclusion on this album makes it sound like a light rock track in comparison with the other tracks. The last few tracks (Death Trap, Wastelands and Are You Losing Your Mind?) are considerably faster-paced than the majority of the album but the whole album sound is much closer to the heavy deep bass sound that the band usually generate on stage and as such I quite like it! Doesn't seem to be over packed with innovation and it's not the kind of album to lie back and listen quietly to, in fact I doubt it is possible to listen to this album quietly! So they've moved a step away from Electric Teepee and It Is the Biz to a much harder sound - in a sense, perhaps, it's the same distance that Doremi must have sounded from In Search of Space and it's much heavier on the 'Industrial' type of sound. Apart from Alien (I Am) - the lyrics to this track are printed on the album sleeve, much to my gratitude - there are really only two new sets of lyrics 'Kenomorph' (Ron Tree) and 'Festivals' (Dave Brock). 'Beam Me Up' is mostly just a chant of that and Kapal has quotes from Hamlet all over it! My impression is that in all it's a dramatic solid sound not particularly innovative but with some nice synth and keyboard touches in the intros and mixes and the atmosphere keeps it interesting. IMO of course, and this is subject to change and amendment! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Oct 29 01:47:01 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 07:47:01 +0100 Subject: HW: new album out! In-Reply-To: <9510281934.aa10734@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, J Strobridge wrote: > ok - folks! The good news is that the album has been released at last. > Life has meaning once more! -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Oct 29 13:51:41 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 18:51:41 +0000 Subject: HW: new album out! In-Reply-To: <9510281934.aa10734@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Oct 28, 95 07:34:39 pm Message-ID: > On a quick first hearing this is basically heavy Hawkwind with menace. Well, that certainly sounds promising. > My impression is that in all it's a dramatic solid sound not > particularly innovative but with some nice synth and keyboard touches > in the intros and mixes and the atmosphere keeps it interesting. Well, even _Space Ritual_ wasn't terribly innovative excepting that nobody had ever played 3 chord songs with Dr. Who sound effects for 20 minutes seperated from each other by mad poetry before. And never did again, come to think of it! ;) I had been considering waiting until the Griffin version in the States came out to get it, but it may be that I have to get it ASAP! :) I suppose "Love in Space" has been banished to vinyl-only territory? That would be annoying ... Cheers, Carl From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sun Oct 29 17:55:09 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:55:09 GMT Subject: HW: new album out! In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Sun, 29 Oct 1995 18:51:41 +0000 Message-ID: > I had been considering waiting until the Griffin version in the > States came out to get it, but it may be that I have to get it ASAP! :) > I suppose "Love in Space" has been banished to vinyl-only > territory? That would be annoying ... > ummm - better wait for a few more reviews. I was listening to it again last night without the bass turned so high and... well ... somehow it just didn't seem so intense. I found I was suffering from an extraordinary desire for someone to actually "sing" something rather than just chant it mechanically or recite it in speech. Also the "Alien" track is surprisingly slow - I'd prefer they'd speeded it up a bit! I just hope that increasing familiarity isn't breeding contempt here. Maybe I'm just missing the dancers and the fire-eaters as the visual counterpart to the music! The extra track on the vinyl is "Space Sex" however it is just working up to be a good-sounding piece of instrumental work when they cut it short 8-( jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Mon Oct 30 01:32:41 1995 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:32:41 +1000 Subject: Quote by Patti Smith? Message-ID: >wouldn't have expected her to say this. Comments, anyone? > >"Rock and Roll is for men. Real Rock and Roll is a man's job. I >want to see a man up there. I want to see a man's muscles, a man's > veins. I don't want to see no chick's tit banging against a bass." -- > Patti Smith. > > >John My wife's comment was, "Well, she did go a long way towards making herself look like a man." Pete. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Oct 30 03:56:31 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 08:56:31 +0000 Subject: Quote by Patti Smith? In-Reply-To: <199510271931.PAA13904@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, John A Swartz wrote: [......] > Lanier, and co-penned a few BOC and Brain Surgeons tunes), I guess I > wouldn't have expected her to say this. Comments, anyone? > > "Rock and Roll is for men. Real Rock and Roll is a man's job. I > want to see a man up there. I want to see a man's muscles, a man's > veins. I don't want to see no chick's tit banging against a bass." -- > Patti Smith. > > > John > I wouldn't be overly surprised if she said this. Courtney Love was recently quoted (In Q, I think...) as saying that "Rock is about dick". Dave From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Oct 30 04:00:10 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:00:10 +0000 Subject: WotT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Having been listening to WotT several times over the past few days, I've suddenly realised that we now have an answer to a question asked several times on this list: "Which BOC album would you recommend to a friend who has never heard the band?" Dave From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Mon Oct 30 04:11:10 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:11:10 +0000 Subject: Motorhead in London In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > Does anyone know whether Motorhead are definately going to > be playing in London on the 2nd? I have a hazy memory of Andy saying > they were playing the Forum then ... I dunno about London but the Leicester gig was cancelled this weekend due to "technical problems" :( Refunds were given. Maxine From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Mon Oct 30 07:01:22 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 12:01:22 +0000 Subject: WotT Message-ID: > Having been listening to WotT several times over the past few days, I've > suddenly realised that we now have an answer to a question asked several > times on this list: "Which BOC album would you recommend to a friend who > has never heard the band?" > > Dave > Hmm.... Most of my friends are about 35, with house and kids. I'm not sure if they will listen to my advice. But then again, they haven't done that for the last 20 years... :-) To late to save their souls. Yes, I've also played WotT a lot lately, and the question I ask myself is: what special quality does these songs have that makes it possible for me to play them over and over again for 20 years?! Of course it helps if you get one or two new songs now and then, or versions that you've never heard before... (cool BTBW) There were some comments on drumming lately, and even if I've never been that much into drumming I fully agree with those who feel that Al has always been one of the best (he _plays the drums_). I specially loved his early inventive style, and actually missed some of that on the later albums. (came to think of it... It's a shame, I haven't ordered Trepanation yet. Any day now, I promise!) Anyway, on WotT I've realised that the Ninja songs are different from my vinyl. If I remember it correctly mine was a "scandinavian mix" or european mix and the first one to be released. I've always hated the insensitive drums on Ninja, they almost killed the good songs from that album - (I remember that Sandy Pearlman said they had used the latest studiotechnic for the drums and worked on them for almost a year... Excellent...) but now I've noticed that the versions on WotT- Dancin' in the Ruins and Perfect Water - have a much better mix. So for you americans who have bad things to say about Ninja - have you heard the european mix?... Enough! One last thing. All these years Mr Samuel Pearlman has been somewhat influential on the bands doings. But I've NEVER seen a picture of this Sandman. How does he look? Where do I find a picture? Dan From lansford at VNET.NET Sat Oct 28 11:24:03 1995 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 15:24:03 GMT Subject: Bloom's attitude again. Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, "BREVARD Adrian R." wrote: >I see we are touching the AOL vs. BOC-L thing again. Again? >In his defense when >someone posted his response on this service I think Eyes did not want to >join BOC-L because of a heavy commitment to AOL and the group that was >formed there. I distinctly recall the end of his message stating if someone >could show him something better he would take a look at it. I interpreted >this as meaning if there were a service were the AOL, Prodgidy and BOC-L >crew could all access that would be great. The Bloom post that was forwarded here was his response to just such a suggestion, that with the newsgroup (alt.whatever.it.is) getting going the AOLers should migrate there. >My opinion is >that the AOL vs BOC-L flap was not a slight to the fine folks here on this >service, rather it was Eyes expression that he preferred AOL for reasons >other than the folks who populate either. My feeling is that he prefers the AOL interface. (Admit it, folks, not everyone is going to be comfortable with a Unix shell nor computer savvy enough to maintain a winsock setup.) And quite possibly hasn't either the time or the money to sink into following a newsgroup in addition to the AOL folder, which he is not going to abandon. From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Mon Oct 30 07:32:17 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 07:32:17 -0500 Subject: Quote by Patti Smith? Message-ID: p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au Posted a review, part of which stated: > established Patti as an artist to be reckoned with. A second album, "RADIO > ETHEOPIA", released a year later, was less enthusiastically greeted. > Patti Smith, poet-rock star-artist, lists Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, William > Burroughs, and Arthur Rimbaud as her main influences. > [discography to 1976] I believe (tho' I can't check because I haven't got a copy) that on the back cover of "Radio Ethiopia" it says thanks to Blue Oyster Cult's road crew, who perform the backing vocals on one track. If this is so, it is an obvious artefact for any BOC completist. Should it be or is it in the FAQ? Perhaps Peter's wife has a copy and the exact wording can be posted. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 30 08:01:53 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 08:01:53 -0500 Subject: Quote by Patti Smith? Message-ID: This reference isn't in the FAQ, and if someone will provide me enough info, I'll include it in the next rev. Thanks. John From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Mon Oct 30 09:13:26 1995 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:13:26 GMT Subject: HW:ALIEN (I AM) Message-ID: At last Alien 4 is out! Here are the complete lyrics for Alien (I Am) : I lack emotion, have no love that I can find I want some devotion to ease a worried mind The heart is softened the soul is scorched The mind erodes away some sentimental thoughts The window cracked is closed The door slams shut The lights put out, say no more speak no less For you I become the alien I am For you I become the alien I am The cry primal is muffled The mouth seals tight The eye looks within Say no more speak no less I the alien reject your human touch Cheers, Keith From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Mon Oct 30 07:55:46 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 07:55:46 EST Subject: AOL debate-Things unsaid Message-ID: My $.02 on the AOL vs. others debate: First of all, there are probably other folks like me who don't have a choice. My only access to the internet is from work. Therefore, I don't have a choice of lists to which I can subscribe. Consequently, I couldn't participate in the AOL forum even if I wanted to. I would be interested to know how many other people are in this situation. My only option is BOC-L (and I certainly don't mind), and I'd imagine that there are alot of others in the same boat. My point is, I think there may be a good percentage of list subscribers that don't have a choice of which list to participate in, and that should NOT be mistaken for a knock against AOL or any other service, for that matter. Secondly, I find it difficult to believe that anyone who has been a public figure for so many years hasn't built up a thick skin against the small minority of imbeciles who just rag and rag in a non-constructive manner. There's going to be that sort of thing in any group, and it shouldn't reflect upon the rest of the group who may criticize constructively. Also, if I were a commercial entity, I would certainly be interested in what people were saying about me if for nothing else but curiosity. How often does a business entity (such as one of the greatest rock bands of all time) get the opportunity for instant feedback? Not often. If it were me, I'd be counting my blessings. In conclusion, then, it seems to me that if a business entity chooses not to lurk on any one particular list that relates to them, they are missing feedback from the fans who are stuck on that list with no other options. That's fine, but they should not think that people are dissin' them by being on that list anyway. Just one more thought, if I were a band member and read some of the posts (including ones I've done in the past), I'd be ROTFLMAO. Can you imagine someone speculating on the motivation behind your work, etc.? Funny stuff. -Dr. Bob rkohl at state.de.us From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Mon Oct 30 10:45:03 1995 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:45:03 -0500 Subject: Unasked for opinion Message-ID: > Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:55:09 GMT > From: J Strobridge > Subject: Re: HW: new album out! > > > I had been considering waiting until the Griffin version in the > > States came out to get it, but it may be that I have to get it ASAP! :) > > I suppose "Love in Space" has been banished to vinyl-only > > territory? That would be annoying ... > > > > ummm - better wait for a few more reviews. I was listening to it again > last night without the bass turned so high and... well ... somehow it > just didn't seem so intense. I found I was suffering from an > extraordinary desire for someone to actually "sing" something rather > than just chant it mechanically or recite it in speech. I'm going to go out on a limb here, and venture a guess as to why this is (especially w/o first hearing the album! :-). Ron Bastard sucks. I'm sorry, I think he's the worst thing to happen to HW in a LOOOOOONG time. Yes I know I'm in tyhe minority on this one, but at the NYC concert, I felt he detracted SOOOOO much from the music. I really hope he's not around for long... Sorry guys. Time to go un crankify myself... David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) A cold winter's night, quiet and black. There's no-one but us, And the whole world stands back while we lose ourselves in stories we tell. Suddenly everything changes, as we open doors into a different world. Everything that I knew seems to become untrue, and the sky changes colours >>From grey into blue. "Under Skies of Blue" - EVERON From rhame at CTP.COM Mon Oct 30 11:06:20 1995 From: rhame at CTP.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:06:20 -0500 Subject: BOC:Imaginos again? (fwd) Message-ID: > I believe that it was just another persona. Time is not a concrete > factor in Imaginos. Remember the "random access myth" part of the story? All > the songs occur simultaneously. Just another thing to insure the commercial > failure of the album. Oh well.....Hindsight is 20/20. Hi, I have to think that timing probably had a lot to do with the commercial fate of the album. Had the same album come out say 6-8 months after ETL, it probably would have been a big time hit. I think the long time between ETL and Rev. by Night, coupled by the so-so ness of the album, allowed BOC's momentum to slide too much. Same with Ninja. I remember how much it bothered me to see in the Ninja credits that the BOC guys wrote very little of the material on the album. Sigh......... Rich -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Rich Hamel ! This is the Central Scrutinizer. ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! The white zone is for loading and unloading! ! 304 Vassar St. ! only. If ya gotta load, or ya gotta unload,! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! go to the white zone.... ! ! (617)-374-8266 ! ! ! rhame at ctp.com ! You'll love it! It's a way of life! ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From chip at PCC.COM Mon Oct 30 11:31:33 1995 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:31:33 -0500 Subject: Imaginos found! Message-ID: I had the distinct pleasure of dining chez Bouchard/Frost on Saturday and had a wonderful time. What's cooler than seeing Gold Records on the wall (actually, I'd seen gold records before, just none to which I'd contributed a sale) *and* seeing Al's studio, er, living room, is that: a) you get to hear demos of upcoming goodies and b) it doesn't take much, well, ANY, prodding to get Al to talk about _Imaginos_. :-) All I have to say about point B is this: anyone paying attention to the name of the leader of the Seceding Party in Quebec? Lucien Bouchard. Al claims blood relation. Could this be Imaginos here, in 1995, modifying history for his own illicit ends? I think Al may be closer to the source than previously thought. As for point A, I must avoid letting any cats out of any bags, so I'll talk about the new Brain Surgeons LP demos we heard. I'll summarize: The next Brain Surgeons album will be even better than _Trepanation_. What I heard is decidedly *heavier* and more robust than any of the efforts to date. Sure, there was plenty of melody and some slower/nicer tracks (sans vocals), but look out. The first track Al played for us is the crowned successor to "The Red and the Black" and it's clear why: a riff! A riff! The last time I heard a real, full blown, not-just-the-bridge riff from BOC (past or present) is probably "Godzilla." Sure, there were killer riffs in _Imaginos_, but this is different. This is the sorta' stuff you blast out of your car to scare the people next to you. Actually, so is _Imaginos_, so maybe I'll try to think of a better example. Ok, best music since _Imaginos_? How's that? Anyway, there's more to say, but I'll leave it at this: Xmas '95 will hold a special place in the hearts of Brain Surgeon (and BOC) fans. Not to be overlooked, I also had a chance to finally meat Team Swann (much to my delight). S and T rounded out an excellent evening. I await his report as well. Thank you, Al, Deb, and Ace! Keep up the excellent work. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8177 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 30 13:25:52 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:25:52 -0500 Subject: Imaginos found! Message-ID: Chip (you lucky bastard you ;) ) Hart writes: > What I heard is decidedly *heavier* and more robust than any of the efforts to date. What? Heavier than *Trepanation*? Wow - hope my wife lets me listen to it! ;-) > This is the sorta' stuff you blast out of your car to scare the people next to you. Very cool. Although I gotta admit I impressed the hell out of a few local youths a few months back. I was getting into my car at the local pharmacy one night and several teenagers were hanging out in front (popular hangout in the summer - could be its proximity to a sub shop, ice cream stand, and liquor store all on the same block). Anyways, they kinda gave me this look which I interpreted to be "move along you old fart" - so, as soon as I got into my car, I spun up my copy of *Trepanation* on my portable CD player and selected Track 6 - "My Civilization", and cranked the volume to 11. After this one kid's jaw hit the ground, he smiled and a few of them started moving to the beat. I backed up the car, drove off laughing and thinking to myself, "Not bad for an old fart . . ." John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Oct 30 13:33:34 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:33:34 -0500 Subject: BOC: Symbol Message-ID: Was at my local Newbury Comics during lunch, picking up a few CDs, and I saw this book called "From Rock to Rock" -- not knowing what it was about, I thumbed through it to see if BOC might be in it. Well, it turns out this book was written by one of these people that thinks all rock music is from Satan - the author even claims to have spent 11 years in the rock music business, touring with bands, listening to albums, etc. Well, for someone who claims to know what he's talking about, I had to laugh when I found a section about the meaning of various symbols used in rock and roll. He shows a picture of the BOC symbol, calling it "The Satanic Cross", and claims that it is used by *several* rock groups, most notably BOC -- and, get this: the author claims that the upside-down question mark under a cross is supposed to mockingly ask the question, "Did Jesus really die for our sins?" At first, I laughed at the utter stupidity of this, and then I stopped. As a Christian, I was suddenly very angry that someone who claims to know what he's talking about could make such an idiotic and dammning statement about something he obviously really knows nothing about - and in the process insult all Christians. I guess in his eyes *I'm* going to hell . . . John From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Oct 30 13:42:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:42:00 GMT Subject: Motorhead in London Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > > Does anyone know whether Motorhead are definately going to > > be playing in London on the 2nd? I have a hazy memory of Andy saying > > they were playing the Forum then ... > > I dunno about London but the Leicester gig was cancelled this weekend > due > to "technical problems" :( Refunds were given. > Last I heard it was on, but since I have to meet someone at the airport, I can't make it myself. If I see any news I'll post it. - Andy ObExcellentGig - a Scottish "Acid Croft" outfit called Shooglenifty, Merlin Bar, Budapest, Saturday 28th. It was the only gig in town - for those who call Washington DC a rock-n-roll desert, go to Hungary sometime - but it was really good. "Hiptechnofolkadelic" was the other description they gave. Which probably describes it better then I can. I know Carl would have liked it, for one! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 30 13:47:12 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:47:12 +0000 Subject: Imaginos found! In-Reply-To: from "Chip Hart" at Oct 30, 95 11:31:33 am Message-ID: > The next Brain Surgeons album will be even better than > _Trepanation_. > What I heard is decidedly *heavier* and more robust than any of > the efforts to date. Sure, there was plenty of melody and some > slower/nicer tracks (sans vocals), but look out. The first > track Al played for us is the crowned successor to "The Red and > the Black" and it's clear why: a riff! A riff! The last time I > heard a real, full blown, not-just-the-bridge riff from BOC > (past or present) is probably "Godzilla." Sure, there were > killer riffs in _Imaginos_, but this is different. This is the > sorta' stuff you blast out of your car to scare the people next > to you. Actually, so is _Imaginos_, so maybe I'll try to think > of a better example. > Ok, best music since _Imaginos_? How's that? Sorry for the my content free reply, but .... This utterly rules the known universe and many further dimensions with sword, crown, and sceptre. Thanks for bearing with us ... Carl From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Oct 30 14:47:07 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:47:07 -0500 Subject: HW reference in Spin magazine Message-ID: Browsing a recent issue (Nov 95) of SPIN magazine, I discovered a brief chart describing Space Rock And Where It Came From (pg.32). It traces the evolution of space rock from Moroccan shamens to Sun Ra, to Pink Floyd, and then to HAWKWIND. From there it goes directly to Krautrock (Can, Neu), to Eno, P-Funk, Pixies, The ORB, Irresistible Force, and finally to Sabalon Glitz. There is even a small photo of Dave, Harvey (in makeup), Huw, Alan, and someone I have not actually been able to identify (not Richard, and not Danny Thompson (I think)). The HW section states: "This intrepid British band mixed Druidic mythology, science fiction, and extended cosmic jamming to produce some of the most innovative space rock around. Their trailblazing could have made them masters of the universe, but, sadly, they became the *real* Spinal Tap instead." Remember that scene in Spinal Tap when they are playing inside of various pseudo-druidic stage sets? Wasn't there some kind of Stonehenge-resembling set there? A la HW's "Atomhenge"? Captain Cloud From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 30 14:02:43 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:02:43 +0000 Subject: Unasked for opinion In-Reply-To: <9510301545.AA27747@pharlap.ci.com> from "David B. Kuznick" at Oct 30, 95 10:45:03 am Message-ID: >> I found I was suffering from an >> extraordinary desire for someone to actually "sing" something rather >> than just chant it mechanically or recite it in speech. > > I'm going to go out on a limb here, and venture a guess as to why this > is (especially w/o first hearing the album! :-). > Ron Bastard sucks. > I'm sorry, I think he's the worst thing to happen to HW in a LOOOOOONG > time. Yes I know I'm in tyhe minority on this one, but at the NYC > concert, I felt he detracted SOOOOO much from the music. I really > hope he's not around for long... Sorry guys. Well, he may not be the greatest thing since hunting and gathering, but I like him much better than the rather dull meandering on _IITBOTFTBD_. And he can't be blamed for giving Brock an excuse to hide behind things on stage, since Brock was doing that before Ron anyway ... ;) Nah, on think Ron is all right and even enjoy his contributions to the new album (yes! I have acquired it!) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 30 14:15:27 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:15:27 +0000 Subject: HW: new album out! Message-ID: Well, I saw it for 11 quid, and figured that was probably better than waiting for Griffin to release it, have someone in the States pick it up for me, and air mail it over, so I got it. It is not the greatest HW album ever, but who is surprised by this? On the other hand, it was rather better than I'd expected, so I give it the thumbs up. On first listen there are some good blang-oid tracks, the mix is not at all bad, the spacey instrumentals seem more interesting than on _ET_, and there are some decent bits of guitar from Dave, and some keen bass soloing from Alan (Richard is consistantly cool as usual); and I thought Ron's contribution was pretty good too. However, take note: that cool wah guitar playing in Death Trap was from "Jerry" who played with them this summer but got sacked/was let go/etc. Nevertheless, I'm pretty sure I hear Dave wah-ing a bit here and there himself. I'm not sure the rock tracks quite live up to the ones on _ET_, but we'll see how it goes. However I thought the ambientoid instrumentals were better, as I noted above--this may have something to do with the mix, also noted above, which I think is clearer than some of the previous releases have been. There was a lot of musical "haze" on some of the _ET_ stuff and _IITBOTFTBD_ which is (thankfully) not audible to me on Alien 4 (or whatever the thing is called ;) Liner note error hunters, alert! On the track listing, "Alien (I Am)" is spelled "Alein (I Am)", which is probably an error (though if it isn't, it's rather clever ;) Plus, I go the new Ozrics CD as well :) but enough of that for now ... Cheers, Carl From thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM Mon Oct 30 14:20:00 1995 From: thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM (Matt Thompson) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:20:00 E Subject: Symbol Message-ID: I have heard the "questioning Jesus Christ died for your sins" interpretation of the Cult sign before. My mother works for a library in Wakefield, MA and often people will ask to put pamphlets to distribute to patrons on the front desk. Typically the library will do this for most non-profit announcments and charity events. I remember about 15 years ago a guy came in with a stack of photocopied hand written pages that he wanted to leave at the library. The sheets were all about Satanism in rock and 90% of it dealt with BOC. It talked about how the band worshipped there (sic) god Satan before every concert. There were lots of typos and grammatical mistakes and the accusations were really ridiculous. It made for a very funny read actually and I wish I saved a copy. Obviously the library refused to distribute them for him. What are those other bands that use the symbol again? :-) Matt Thompson thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Oct 30 14:18:27 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:18:27 +0000 Subject: Motorhead in London In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Oct 30, 95 06:42:00 pm Message-ID: > Last I heard it was on, but since I have to meet someone at the airport, > I can't make it myself. If I see any news I'll post it. Is anyone from the list going? I'm certianly not going to risk getting stuck on a London railway platform all night by myself! > "Hiptechnofolkadelic" was the other > description they gave. Which probably describes it better then I can. I > know Carl would have liked it, for one! Yeah, sounds worthwhile ;) Hungary produces some weird bands-- like Vagtazo Hallotkemek (or whatever) ... great band! Cheers, Carl From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Oct 30 14:33:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:33:00 GMT Subject: HW: new album out! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9510292255.aa12317 at uk.ac.ed.castle> First impressions, OK: It would have been the best HW studio album in several years, except for one thing. Ron Tree is a bloody awful singer. Why'd they hire this clown? - Andy From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 30 16:33:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:33:00 PST Subject: BOC: Symbol Message-ID: >At first, I laughed at the utter stupidity of this, and then I stopped. >As a Christian, I was suddenly very angry that someone who claims to know >what he's talking about could make such an idiotic and dammning statement >about something he obviously really knows nothing about - and in the >process insult all Christians. I guess in his eyes *I'm* going to hell . . . >John Utterly amazing John. We live in such a narrow minded world these days. I've got a bit of a story from an interview with Doug Pinnick, bassist for King's X. Some background, King's X three members are all Christians yet they do not play what is commonly reffered to as Christian Rock. There are some Christian related messages in their music however, it is based on thier own personal beliefs and not meant to promote any religion. The guitarist and drummer both attended divinity school. Now if you have never heard their music you would be suprised at the sound, very heavy rock and roll, in fact Pinnick's bass playing is very similar to Lemmy's. Anyway, Doug is a big fan of hard rock in almost any form. He decided to attend a concert in Texas featuring such bands as Megadeath, Slaughter, Anthrax and the like. Outside the colesium was a young Christian passing out literature asking people to avoid the concert and the Satanic groups that were playing that night. As Doug passed the young man and took a flyer the young man, a devout follower of Doug's band, recognized him instantly. He thought that Doug was comming out to join the protest and was flabbergasted to learn that he was actually there to see the concert since he really liked Megadeath. Well needless to say the young man accused and described Doug in ways which could not necesarrily be described as Christian like. Doug responded that music is only music and is not always indicative of the personal beliefs and attitudes of those who play it. To say BOC's symbol suggests that it questions whether Christ died for our sins sounds to me to be the delusions of a mind that spent way too much time immersed in chemical stimulants. Perhaps this former music world man did not find enough success and is therefore damming an entire industry for his personal failures. Whether a bands music emphasises positve (Triumph, King's X) or negative images (Megadeath, Jackyl) this should not be interpreted as the personal beliefs of the artist. After all several former gospel singers have moved to secular music and vice versa. It is in my opinion doubtful that each of these gospel singers have lost touch with their personal beliefs. Hey remeber in California where some teenager's defense in a murder trial was the backword message appearing at the end of a Judas Priest album. Personnaly I cannot imagine how any song could convince someone to do something that they know isn't right or bad for them. Amen AB From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Oct 30 14:43:25 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:43:25 EST Subject: HW reference in Spin magazine Message-ID: > them masters of the universe, but, sadly, they became the *real* > Spinal Tap instead." > > Remember that scene in Spinal Tap when they are playing inside of > various pseudo-druidic stage sets? Wasn't there some kind of > Stonehenge-resembling set there? A la HW's "Atomhenge"? > > Captain Cloud C.C., The best part of 'Spinal Tap' was that the people who constructed the 'Stonehenge' set got the numbers wrong, and constructed tryptychs(sp?) that were about a foot tall. The band was furious, and asked how management would like to play on a set with a 'Stonehenge monument in danger of being crushed by dwarves? I'm sure you think it's humorous, but from where we were standing, it wasn't fun at all...' words to that effect. theo From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Mon Oct 30 14:49:38 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:49:38 -0600 Subject: space is deep ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hey did anyone figure out what this Space Is Deep CD is and the track list? is it just another compilation? also could someone post the address of that hawkwind mailorder business -CS records or whatever . im trying to trackdown PXR5 and Hawklords on cd to complete my collection of hw official releases from the seventies before i try to tackle the newest stuff. -thanks mike psyche From siyer at NRC-IRIS.NRC.UAB.EDU Mon Oct 30 08:19:47 1995 From: siyer at NRC-IRIS.NRC.UAB.EDU (Arioch) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:19:47 +0200 Subject: HW: new album out! Message-ID: >ok - folks! The good news is that the album has been released at last. > >It's not in the shops yet but the postman woke me at 7.30am this morning jill, any word on when this will be released in the US ? or if any of the internet mail order people (like ranjit) have gotten it yet or when they will get it? thx much... >8-(( (on a Saturday!) and asked me to sign for this package. Finding >Hawkwind inside was the only thing that could possibly have made that >worthwhile. > Lord Volgular Skullsplitter I siyer at nrc-iris.nrc.uab.edu "...I, while the gods laugh, the world's vortex am; Maelstrom of passions in that hidden sea Whose waves of all time lap the coasts of me, And in small compass the dark waters cram..." From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Oct 30 16:22:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:22:00 EST Subject: HW: Ron Tree Message-ID: Ron may or may not be a good singer....I just got Area S4 (on CD :-( ), but haven't played it yet. So no opinion on his vocals yet. However, after reading Scott Heller's interview (good interview, Scott), I get the impression that he is a good catalyst for HW, if nothing else. If the music on Alien 4 is strong, it will carry the weak vocals. If the tunes bite, than no vocalist can carry them. The 3 tenors proved that for me. Rudy From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 30 18:11:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:11:00 PST Subject: Imaginos found! Message-ID: ---------- From: owner-boc-l To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L Subject: Re: Imaginos found! Date: Monday, October 30, 1995 1:25PM >Chip (you lucky bastard you ;) ) Hart writes: I second that, Chip you lucky bastard..... AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 30 18:16:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:16:00 PST Subject: More on 3pak Message-ID: Finally saw a copy of 3 pak sitting in a store. Price $20.00 or $6.66 per cd (intentional I wonder). Still a good buy for those who don't have these three on cd. From the packaging there is no mentioning of re-mastering so it appears to be a bundled price promotion. Probably a better buy is the three cd set for Black Sabbath called the Ozzy Years. From what I saw its got just about everything a Sabbath fan could want, especially lots of good stuff from my favorite Sabotage - Hole in the Sky, Symptons of the Universe and Meglomania. Price at Best Buy was less than $35. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Oct 30 18:29:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:29:00 PST Subject: BOC Unplugged in Vegas Message-ID: Jean in New Mexico: any word if your friend will be available to tape the Oyster Boys unplugged performance in Vegas? Would you be willing to dub me a copy if you b\can get your hands on it? Thanks AB From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Oct 30 17:33:53 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:33:53 EST Subject: Delta Wave Music address/phone Message-ID: ===>mike psyche wrote: >also could someone post the address of that hawkwind mailorder >im trying to trackdown PXR5 and Hawklords on cd to complete my >collection of hw official releases from the seventies before i try to >tackle the newest stuff. ===>Lord Volgular wrote: >any word on when this will be released in the US ? or if any of the >internet mail order people (like ranjit) have gotten it yet or when they >will get it? thx much... Mike at Delta Wave has promised me that he will have the "Alien" release almost immediately after it comes out (I guess that means now). I have already reserved my copy through him, and expect a call anyday telling me to send him the money. I already have a copy of the Griffin(!) "Strange Trips and Pipe Dreams", courtesy of Mike. I also picked up my hard-to-find copys of "PXR5" and "Hawklords" on CD from him last year. I believe both have been out-of-print for several years. You can reach Mike at: Mike Coleman Delta-Wave Music 7716 Briaridge Rd. Dallas, TX 75248 (214) 991 - 6621 I expect that Griffin will release "Alien" at some point, perhaps even by X-mas, but I'm not gonna hold my breath... Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com (who is still waiting for Griffin to release their already announced "Independent Days" and Simon House's "Yassassim") From reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM Mon Oct 30 16:44:32 1995 From: reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:44:32 EST Subject: BOC: Symbol Message-ID: > Whether a bands music emphasises positve (Triumph, > King's X) or negative images (Megadeath, Jackyl) this should not be > interpreted as the personal beliefs of the artist. Unfortunate, but true. Can't help but think BOC would have been much better off (overall) if symbol and "cult" could have been dropped. I'll bet it cost 'em big time. I don't think very many ever really got it (the joke). RR From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Oct 30 18:53:35 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:53:35 -0500 Subject: BOC: Symbol In-Reply-To: <309544F3@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: BREVARD Adrian R. writes: > Whether a bands music emphasises positve (Triumph, > King's X) or negative images (Megadeath, Jackyl) this should not be > interpreted as the personal beliefs of the artist. I remember an interview with Tom Arraya (sp?) of Slayer in which he said that thrash metal was just a job for him, and that personally he liked nothing better than to curl up with a nice bit of Sam Cooke. The satanic stuff---especially the hyped-up stuff on _Reign in Blood_---was to stoke up controversy and attract publicity. He wasn't "into" thrash metal or satanism himself. It was all rather refreshing to hear, actually. Cheers, Paul. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Oct 30 23:24:15 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 23:24:15 -0500 Subject: HW reference in Spin magazine In-Reply-To: <9510301447.A11379@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, cjohnson wrote: > Remember that scene in Spinal Tap when they are playing inside of > various pseudo-druidic stage sets? Wasn't there some kind of > Stonehenge-resembling set there? A la HW's "Atomhenge"? I got the impression that that particular scene of the film was a piss-take directed more at Jethro Tull than at Hawkwind, at least musically speaking. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Mike Watt, _Ball-Hog or Tugboat?_ From skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM Tue Oct 31 02:54:53 1995 From: skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM (Skip Galvin) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 23:54:53 -0800 Subject: BOC: Symbol In-Reply-To: <199510301833.NAA00650@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, John A Swartz wrote: > Was at my local Newbury Comics during lunch, picking up a few CDs, and I > saw this book called "From Rock to Rock" -- not knowing what it was about, > I thumbed through it to see if BOC might be in it. Well, it turns out > this book was written by one of these people that thinks all rock music is > from Satan - the author even claims to have spent 11 years in the rock > music business, touring with bands, listening to albums, etc. Well, for > someone who claims to know what he's talking about, I had to laugh when > I found a section about the meaning of various symbols used in rock and > roll. He shows a picture of the BOC symbol, calling it "The Satanic > Cross", and claims that it is used by *several* rock groups, most notably > BOC -- and, get this: the author claims that the upside-down question > mark under a cross is supposed to mockingly ask the question, "Did Jesus > really die for our sins?" > > At first, I laughed at the utter stupidity of this, and then I stopped. > As a Christian, I was suddenly very angry that someone who claims to know > what he's talking about could make such an idiotic and dammning statement > about something he obviously really knows nothing about - and in the > process insult all Christians. I guess in his eyes *I'm* going to hell . . . > > John > . . It is funny because alot of these people don't even have a sketchy understanding of the subject matter. Note: Sometimes if you listen closely you might even hear some irony. And then they just throw around third hand information as fact. "The Blue Oyster Cult, well known for their ceremonies of sacrifice backstage blah, blah, blah" And then write a book and pass this close-minded mentality to their kids. I think these types are threatened by the reckless abandon of rock. And BOC kind of catches them by surprise. The music may sound pleasant and agreeable until the lyrics kick in. --SG From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Oct 31 02:58:27 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 02:58:27 -0500 Subject: HW: Space Daze book Message-ID: I picked up this little book today called Space Daze by Dave Thompson. Subtitled: the History & Mystery of Electronic Ambient Space Rock. Anyone else have it? Anyone know anything about the author? There's no "About the author..." intro, but I think he may be connected w/Cleopatra Records; the copyright is Cleo, and at the end there's an ad for a compilation CD put out by Cleo, a "companion" to the book, which features many of the artists in the book (HW included). And I guess the publisher is Cleo, since that's the only address given that I've seen yet. The bands featured in the book are: Pink Floyd, Hawkwind, Can, Tangerine Dream, The Orb, Ozric Tentatcles, Syd Barrett, Gong, Pink Faries, Chrome, Klaus Schulze, Faust, Amon Duul (and II) and the Legendary Pink Dots. Flipping through, I see that HW is all over the place. The first chapter (which is all I've read up to now) is primarily HW, who are touted by this writer as basically being the founders of Space Rock. Though, one member of Pink Faries interviewed said that the Faries were. This chapter describes HW's growth up to and including Space Ritual. The writing is decent, though there are a few screw-ups (such as Simon King beingh reffered to as Simon HOUSE), and there are plenty of omissions (but you can't fit everything in one 16-page chapter...the book is 150 pages in all). And of course, I'm saying this as a member of BOC-L, where one never stops hearing new HW bits. There are some very interesting stories, though, here's a sample; Andy Dunkly: "We got to the gig, everything's set up, the light show's set up, the band's soundchecking on stage, and lo and behold, here comes the East Anglia drug squad. At the time, everybody used to stash their drugs in their equipment, and here comes the sniffer dogs, up onto the stage, towards the gear. Suddenly everyone left the stage apart from Dikmik and Del, who were still noddling away at their synthesizers. The dogs came on stage - and both Dikmik and Del got into subsonics. "The dogs freaked. Totally. They didn't have a fucking clue what was happening. After it was all over, there was Dame Stacia calming the dogs down, the handlers not knowing what was happening, and the dogs unable to find a thing, even if they wanted to. "And that was the first gig of the Space Ritual tour!" Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Oct 31 03:04:55 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 03:04:55 -0500 Subject: WotT Message-ID: If you want, I could photocopy a Pearlman article I have, which also has a photo of him. In this pic, somewhere around '89, I guess, he has a mustache, glasses, seems to be going gray, nothing real menacing... The interview is also good reading stuff. Anyone who wants a copy, send an E. Chuck From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Tue Oct 31 22:43:10 1995 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:43:10 -1000 Subject: BOC: Godzilla promo Message-ID: Last Sunday I saw at a record fair (where a bunch of dealers and members of the public set up camp and display their wares) a copy of the *Godzilla* promo. It was in terrible condition, and for A$25.00 I didn't have the cash or the inclination to buy it for myself. It was interesting to hold it and examine it though (-: Anyway, there is another fair next January if anyone would like me to keep an eye open for it again and pick it up for them. I can't guarantee that it will be there, but let me know if you're interested and I'll look. I did manage to pick up a brand-new never-been-played vinyl copy of *Imaginos* and a reasonable vinyl copy of *Mirrors*. The copy of *Imaginos* was the same one I passed up at the last fair some months ago, and regretted doing so. I also saw two MC5 on 10", but couldn't afford them. As for the liner notes on *Radio Etheopia*, I'll check it out. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Oct 31 04:20:23 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:20:23 +0000 Subject: BOC: Symbol In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:33:00 PST." <309544F3@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: ABrevard says - > fact Pinnick's bass playing is very similar to Lemmy's. Anyway, Doug is a > big fan of hard rock in almost any form. He decided to attend a concert in > Texas featuring such bands as Megadeath, Slaughter, Anthrax and the like. ^^^^^^^^^ Hmmm. Bit of a chalk'n'cheese billing eh ? And its Megadeth. Mustaine can't spell ... Anyway - > Hey remeber in California where some teenager's defense in a murder trial > was the backword message appearing at the end of a Judas Priest album. > Personnaly I cannot imagine how any song could convince someone to do > something that they know isn't right or bad for them. Like the late great Bill Hicks pointed out, which rock band in their right mind wants their own fans dead ? If you are going to backwards mask a vocal, how about "buy more of our albums" ? Tim "If you play New Kids on the Block backwards, they sound better" Bill Hicks From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Tue Oct 31 04:25:37 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:25:37 +0000 Subject: BOC: Symbol In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Paul Mather wrote: > > I remember an interview with Tom Arraya (sp?) of Slayer in which he said > that thrash metal was just a job for him, and that personally he liked > nothing better than to curl up with a nice bit of Sam Cooke. The satanic > stuff---especially the hyped-up stuff on _Reign in Blood_---was to stoke > up controversy and attract publicity. He wasn't "into" thrash metal or > satanism himself. It was all rather refreshing to hear, actually. Likewise there is a rather tongue in cheek video with Ozzy on it - when questioned about satanism he blurts out in a lovely midlands accent: "Satanism? I can't even boil a bloody egg properly!" (mind you he was frying bacon at the time ;).... Regards Maxine From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Oct 29 04:59:50 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 20:59:50 +1100 Subject: HW: Choose Your Masques Review Message-ID: Record Review: Hawkwind 'Choose Your Masques' --------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: I've done this a few times now, but I still have *NO* literary talent whatsoever! In fact it's getting harder as I go :-( My humble opinion is mine, and no-one elses! I do know what I like though, and that means HAWKWIND! Any reference to record labels & catalog numbers reflects what my copy is, and is not necessarily the only (or original) release. Artist/s: Hawkwind Title: Choose Your Masques Label/Cat#: RCA RCALP6055 1st Release: 1982 Lineup: Dave Brock, Harvey Bainbridge, Huw Lloyd-Langton, Martin Griffin, & Guests: Nik Turner, Ian Holm, Pascoe Brock, Dr. Technical The cover of this LP is so incredible, you should buy this one even if you hate the music (not that this is terribly likely IMHO). Set on a background of stars and planets, with a sun shining brightly in the center, is a robed and hooded Grim Reaper-ish being holding a silver hawkmask. It is quite obvious that RCA made more funds available than previous record companies for the quality cover artwork for both this and the previous release, 'Sonic Attack'. But that's not what we bought it for ..... is it? The album opens with the 'title' track, "Choose Your Masks". There's no slow intro here - the drums, keyboards and guitar just blast straight through the stylus, and the vocals aren't far behind! It's time to choose your weapons, and whose side you'll take in the inter- galactic war which is just breaking out! Sequed into the explosive ending, the voice of the "Dream Worker" introduces the slower, more experimental piece. The first minute or so of this track could have been taken straight out of a sci-fi flick, with various beeps and pops accompanying an alien-sounding spoken vocal. Pulsating energy noises in the background become more dominant as the 'lyric' is spoken. "Arrival in Utopia" puts the pace back where it belongs. Not as hard as the opening number, it nonetheless has all the bass, and drum work necessary, along with some cool lead breaks and background electronic swishes and noises. Possibly 100% correctly, it tells the tale of an imperfect 'perfect world'. "Utopia", full of weird, almost spooky noises and vibrations, concludes with a single vocal line 'If you want to get into it - You've gotta get out if it' repeated over and over. Weird! Side two opens with a reworking of Hawkwind's classic "Silver Machine". It's pretty much the same as the original, just made more 'modern' sounding. The drum work and vocals are much more dominant than the bass and guitars, and you can distinquish the electronic bits panning from side to side more readily - but it just isn't as good as the original. If this album was your first introduction to Hawkwind, you would like it, but it isn't as memorable as some of the other tracks. If your not new to Hawkwind, I'd say that you would agree with me and prefer the raw appeal and rough edges of the old cut. The next track begins with what sounds like a voice sample taken from some 60's sci-fi movie, over a relatively slow, but catchy keyboard melody. The vocal bit later in the track sounds like a gentle alien (thanks to the voder effect), eager to arrive at his destination, "Void City". "Solitary Mind Games" starts off slower again, but is distinctly more powerful. The pace soon picks up a little, but maintains the sense of loss portrayed by both the lyric, and the music. The build up of sound in the opening of "Fahrenheit 451" signals the start of another punchy rock track, based on the Ray Bradbury novel of the same title. This (like the opening track), should be played really loud! Another experimental track, "The Scan", it is really a synth based intro to "Waiting for Tomorrow", sequed nicely with a fading scream seperating the synth from the guitar of of the final track. Like "Solitary Mind Games", "Waiting for Tomorrow" is a very powerful track, without being heavy. Dominated by the bass line and Langton's vocal style, it tells the tale of a world in the middle of apparent impending nuclear holocaust. Yet again, another great closing track (how do they keep doing it?) While this album is relatively experimental in places, it includes some great 'Space Rock' tracks. The sound is technically brilliant, with a good clear mix. I love this album when I listen to it, but for some reason it doesn't get as much time on my stereo as some of their others. Did I mention the fantastic cover? Buy it! Assassin Sonique' -- Thought for the day: Anatomy (n): something everyone has, but which looks better on a girl. -- Bruce Raeburn. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Oct 31 05:53:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:53:00 GMT Subject: HW: Cover art (was Re: HW: Choose Your Masques Review) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Paul a dit: > > The cover of this LP is so incredible, you should buy this one even if > you hate the music (not that this is terribly likely IMHO). Set on a > background of stars and planets, with a sun shining brightly in the > center, is a robed and hooded Grim Reaper-ish being holding a silver > hawkmask. It is quite obvious that RCA made more funds available than > previous record companies for the quality cover artwork for both this > and the previous release, 'Sonic Attack'. You reckon?!? I hated the _SA_ cover, and thought this one was slick enough, but not really Hawkwind, somehow. (Though the _Angels of Death_ RCA compilation is really very nice, as is _Church_.) Maybe we should have a cover art poll! My entry: 1 Warrior (with chaos shield) 2 25 Years On 3 Roadhawks 4 In Search of Space 5 Space Ritual 6 Doremi 7 Grill 8 Church etc, etc. > The next track begins with what sounds like a voice sample taken from > some 60's sci-fi movie, It's from the intro to the classic TV series, _The Outer Limits_. (They changed it for the '90s remake. Not a good move.) - Andy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Oct 31 07:18:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 07:18:00 EST Subject: Imaginos found! Message-ID: >Monday, October 30, 1995 1:25PM >>Chip (you lucky bastard you ;) ) Hart writes: >I second that, Chip you lucky bastard..... >AB Since it's been seconded, I move we vote on whether or not Chip is a lucky bastard. I vote aye. All others raise your hands. Rudy From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Tue Oct 31 07:26:00 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 07:26:00 -0500 Subject: Imaginos found! Message-ID: >>Monday, October 30, 1995 1:25PM >>>Chip (you lucky bastard you ;) ) Hart writes: >>I second that, Chip you lucky bastard..... >>AB >Since it's been seconded, I move we vote on whether or not Chip is a lucky >bastard. I vote aye. All others raise your hands. >Rudy I do vote aye, but I don't think we really want to start an avalanch of one line postings clogging up everyone's mail box. I think it's as read that he's a double dog lucky bastard. What I would like to know tho' is if there is a possible release date for any BS stuff. What is the special treat in store for us in the near future that he doesn't want to blow? Was there any other snippets that he wants to share with us? What did they eat!! .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Oct 31 07:51:51 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 07:51:51 -0500 Subject: HW reference in Spin magazine Message-ID: >C.C., >The best part of 'Spinal Tap' was that the people who constructed the >'Stonehenge' set got the numbers wrong, and constructed As I remember they specified the dimensions in a sketch drawn on a cocktail napkin. They wanted it to be 12 feet tall but wrote 12" instead of 12' and ended up with 12 inch tall stonehenge. The other classic scene has to be where they come out on stage from the plastic tubes where one guy gets trapped inside Martyn From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Oct 31 07:58:22 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 07:58:22 -0500 Subject: BOC: New song in the set coming soon! Message-ID: Just got an e-mail from Bolle, who attended the BOC show in LA the other day. He mentioned that they are working up a new song (actually an old song) to add to the set - they almost did it in LA, but apparently it wasn't quite ready. Bolle suspects they may add it at the Vegas show, or soon after. I won't let the cat out of the bag, but I will say it's one of the ones that Bolle has been trying to get them to add to the set. John From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Tue Oct 31 07:54:50 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 07:54:50 EST Subject: Kronos Symbol Message-ID: The person...an undergraduate college student wanting to do a sociology research study (me) The time.....1982 The shirt....BOC tour shirt with Kronos on the back The place....church (a protestant denomination, which I'm not,BTW) The reaction....Well, the old-timers thought I was possessed and almost came after me with their canes; the parents tried to shield their kids from the sight; moderates thought it was really poor judgement to wear a shirt like that to church-but had more of a problem that I was wearing jeans; and the minister almost threw me out. Imagine that, he didn't even want an explanation! It made for an interesting term paper. Just goes to show that some people really need to relax and get out more......:-) -Dr. Bob (seconding Brother AB's post) rkohl at state.de.us From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Oct 31 08:41:51 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:41:51 +0000 Subject: More on 3pak In-Reply-To: <30955DA7@houmg001.shl.com> from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Oct 30, 95 03:16:00 pm Message-ID: > Probably a better buy is the > three cd set for Black Sabbath called the Ozzy Years. From what I saw its > got just about everything a Sabbath fan could want, especially lots of good > stuff from my favorite Sabotage - Hole in the Sky, Symptons of the Universe > and Meglomania. Price at Best Buy was less than $35. This, however, has not been remastered either ... Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Oct 31 08:48:21 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:48:21 +0000 Subject: HW: Space Daze book In-Reply-To: <01HX2PA4QAOI99EI7M@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Oct 31, 95 02:58:27 am Message-ID: > I picked up this little book today called Space Daze by > Dave Thompson. Subtitled: the History & Mystery of Electronic > Ambient Space Rock. Anyone else have it? Anyone know anything > about the author? There's no "About the author..." intro, but I > think he may be connected w/Cleopatra Records; the copyright is > Cleo, and at the end there's an ad for a compilation CD put out > by Cleo, a "companion" to the book, which features many of the > artists in the book (HW included). And I guess the publisher is > Cleo, since that's the only address given that I've seen yet. Yup, this came out about--oo--a year back with a companion double CD from Cleopatra. It's pretty interesting, I thought, and the CD is reasonable intro to alot of weird ambientoid bands (with a Cleopatra slant, of course), though none of the tracks are what I would really call "space rock". Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Oct 31 08:52:32 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:52:32 +0000 Subject: Motorhead in London In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Oct 30, 95 07:18:27 pm Message-ID: > Is anyone from the list going? I'm certianly not going to risk > getting stuck on a London railway platform all night by myself! Well (answering my own post :) I _may_ go anyway. I got to talking the other night with a bloke who saw Motorhead doing "Silver Machine" on the last UK tour, and since it _is_ Cathedral supporting them I _might_ try to find my way there ... Would I be correct in assuming that the Forum in London is near the Kentish Town stop on the tube? Cheers, Carl From chip at PCC.COM Tue Oct 31 09:09:03 1995 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:09:03 -0500 Subject: Imaginos found! In-Reply-To: <9510311226.AA09562@phinet.sb.com> from "CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY" at Oct 31, 95 07:26:00 am Message-ID: I learned a long time ago that it's better to be lucky than good... CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY: > What I would like to know tho' is if there is a possible release date > for any BS stuff. I heard nothing beyond "next year." What Al played for us was simply a set of demos at this point. But the demos themselves sounded very full, very complete. It's ironic, because I thought the biggest improvement of _Trepanation_ over _Eponymous_ was that it sounded like a BAND. These demos were even better than I would have expected...I don't know if Al simply does very complete demos, but even the leads sounded great (I was surprised, at first, when he told me that it wasn't Pete playing the solo). It's also nice, because the "voice" or "sound" of the BS is becoming very clear. I think you can chalk up most of _E_ and a lot of _T_ to Al+Deb finding a unique sound. It's really quite apparent now. I guess another thing about the demos was that they sounded very LIVE (even though it was a drum loop). As much as I like _Trep_, some of the songs are much better live ("Medusa" for example). This stuff sounded very raw with a lot of punch. Perhaps that's just demo stuff, but I hope it sticks. No pressure now, huh Al? :-) > What is the special treat in store for us in the near > future that he doesn't want to blow? I have a feeling I'd have my ears chopped off should I say anything of substance. The *only* thing I'll say is that you'll laugh and cry (with delight) once you know. > Was there any other snippets that > he wants to share with us? Um, Ace has a really cool walkie talkie set? Al has a cool Godzilla magazine? Deb has some Misfits albums? That's about it. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8177 From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Tue Oct 31 09:17:58 1995 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:17:58 -0500 Subject: Ron Satanspawn Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:33:00 GMT > From: Andrew Gilham > > First impressions, OK: It would have been the best HW studio album in > several years, except for one thing. Ron Tree is a bloody awful singer. > Why'd they hire this clown? Thank you, Andy. Nice to know I'm not completely alone in my assessment. As to Carl: :-P :-) David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) A cold winter's night, quiet and black. There's no-one but us, And the whole world stands back while we lose ourselves in stories we tell. Suddenly everything changes, as we open doors into a different world. Everything that I knew seems to become untrue, and the sky changes colours >>From grey into blue. "Under Skies of Blue" - EVERON From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 31 09:07:47 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:07:47 GMT Subject: HW reference in Spin magazine In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:47:07 -0500 Message-ID: cjohnson writes: > Browsing a recent issue (Nov 95) of SPIN magazine, I discovered a > brief chart describing Space Rock And Where It Came From (pg.32). > > It traces the evolution of space rock from Moroccan shamens to Sun > Ra, to Pink Floyd, and then to HAWKWIND. From there it goes > directly to Krautrock (Can, Neu), to Eno, P-Funk, Pixies, The ORB, > Irresistible Force, and finally to Sabalon Glitz. > > There is even a small photo of Dave, Harvey (in makeup), Huw, Alan, > and someone I have not actually been able to identify (not Richard, > and not Danny Thompson (I think)). > > The HW section states: > "This intrepid British band mixed Druidic mythology, science > fiction, and extended cosmic jamming to produce some of the most > innovative space rock around. Their trailblazing could have made > them masters of the universe, but, sadly, they became the *real* > Spinal Tap instead." > > Remember that scene in Spinal Tap when they are playing inside of > various pseudo-druidic stage sets? Wasn't there some kind of > Stonehenge-resembling set there? A la HW's "Atomhenge"? Does Dave's amp go up to eleven? Enquiring minds want to know ;-) FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 31 09:10:01 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:10:01 GMT Subject: HW: new album out! In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:33:00 GMT Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > In-Reply-To: <9510292255.aa12317 at uk.ac.ed.castle> > First impressions, OK: It would have been the best HW studio album in > several years, except for one thing. Ron Tree is a bloody awful singer. > Why'd they hire this clown? He's pretty bad on "Sputnik Stan". I wish they'd let Davey do the vocals alone. > - Andy FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Oct 31 09:12:43 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:12:43 GMT Subject: space is deep ? In-Reply-To: Michael P Mccollum's message of Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:49:38 -0600 Message-ID: Michael P Mccollum writes: > hey > did anyone figure out what this Space Is Deep CD is and the track list? > is it just another compilation? It looks like another one from the three hours of tape that British Tribal Music, Acid Daze 1,2 and 3, and about ten other compilations came from. Has anyone worked out the number of permutations of those tracks that can be done? I think these bastards plan to release them all. > also could someone post the address of that hawkwind mailorder > business -CS records or whatever . > im trying to trackdown PXR5 and Hawklords on cd to complete my > collection of hw official releases from the seventies before i try to > tackle the newest stuff. > -thanks mike psyche Compact Disc Services Magnum House 140 Seagate Dundee DD1 2HF Scotland From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Tue Oct 31 09:45:24 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:45:24 -0500 Subject: WotT Message-ID: Chuck writes: >If you want, I could photocopy a Pearlman article I have, which >also has a photo of him. In this pic, somewhere around '89, I >guess, he has a mustache, glasses, seems to be going gray, >nothing real menacing... >The interview is also good reading stuff. >Anyone who wants a copy, send an E. Sorry to reply to the list, but all my mail comes from boc-l and does not include the originator's address. Chuck, I would like a copy of the article. I couldn't find your private e mail address in the rough draft of the directory either but that could be because alot of it is indecipherable on my e mail type version! mail me at the below address and we can sort out addresses etc. PS AB, how is the directory coming along? A mammouth task by any lengths. This is not a hassle, just an enquiry. Thanks, .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK Tue Oct 31 09:33:08 1995 From: K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK (K_Barton at ENG.HUD.AC.UK) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:33:08 GMT Subject: HW: Danny Thompson Message-ID: Hi there, Forgive my ignorance but does anybody out there know what happened to Danny Thompson? Keith From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Tue Oct 31 11:14:20 1995 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:14:20 -0800 Subject: BOC: Symbol Message-ID: There is a cottage industry that has grown up around pop music which involves drawing parrellels between popular music (mainly jazz at first and nowadays almost exclusively rock music) and the Horned Guy With the Pointy Stick (as Frank Zappa called him) I imagine these people sincerely believe that there is some sort of conspiracy of rock stars to bring devil worship into the mainstream. However, as John notes, their arguments are almost entirely fallacious and involve really odd turns of logic. I remember in High School, there was this whole thing about 'My Sweet Satan' (supposed Zeppelin backward message that actually sounds like nothing of the sort -surprise surprise) There are Christian fringe groups that believe the Zionist Occupation Government is going to place the US under the rule of evil Jew bankers and there are Christian kooks who beleive the Dinosaurs were literally demons from hell. Any real Christian should find as much amusement in all this as a non-Christian. Read Donna Kossy's 'Kooks' c1994 Feral House (Publisher's Group West) for some hilarious examples. Someone earlier suggested that the BOC symbol was a modified Planet symbol (for Saturn or something) Given the genesis of much of the rest of BOC's pseudo-mystical trappings, this is more likely than any statement on Christianity. Dr. Zaius "I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the sort of person I'm preaching to." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From etljegl at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue Oct 31 09:23:07 1995 From: etljegl at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Jason Gool) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:23:07 GMT Subject: HW reference in Spin magazine Message-ID: > > On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, cjohnson wrote: > > > Remember that scene in Spinal Tap when they are playing inside of > > various pseudo-druidic stage sets? Wasn't there some kind of > > Stonehenge-resembling set there? A la HW's "Atomhenge"? > > I got the impression that that particular scene of the film was a > piss-take directed more at Jethro Tull than at Hawkwind, at least > musically speaking. > > Cheers, > > Paul. > According to Ian Gillan, this was a piss-take of a Black Sabbath gig. Apparently, they designed a Stonehenge set but they made it too large and there was no room on the stage for the band. Gillan had to stand side-on between two "stones" to get to his microphone. Needless to say they only used the set once aswell. Cheers, Jas. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Oct 31 11:58:31 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:58:31 GMT Subject: BOC: Symbol In-Reply-To: Steve's message of Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:14:20 -0800 Message-ID: I remember seeing a film about Buddy Holly in which a preacher forecast corruption of public morals coming about as a result of this demon music, etc. In his terms, of course, he was proved right. Dave. From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue Oct 31 12:07:15 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:07:15 GMT Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 Message-ID: I don't know why my views seem to be differing from the majority of BOC-L peeples lately, but I reckon that the new album is excellent. Certainly the best studio album they've released this decade. The ambient stuff is well done and not the usual experimental sounds that seem to be just fillers on earlier albums. The singing could be improved, but a good voice does not necessarily mean a good front man, which I think Ron Tree proved to be on the last tour. The mix and overall sound quality is good and the faster rock tracks are up to scratch too. One thing that does disappoint me though, which is that the song "Love in Space" which they played at the gigs I went to is not on the album, I quite liked that one. bye - Rob From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Oct 31 13:30:38 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:30:38 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons Web Site Message-ID: http://www.NovPapyrus.com/bs/BrainSurgeons.html Created by Tania Ruiz of boc-l fame. Let her/us know your comments, suggestions... --DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Oct 31 13:31:42 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:31:42 -0500 Subject: Bolle's Birthday Today! Message-ID: He would probably appreciate greetings from his friends, via e-mail or other means. --DF From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Oct 31 13:36:30 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:36:30 +0000 Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 In-Reply-To: <9510311707.AA02008@etlxd20c> from "Rob S" at Oct 31, 95 05:07:15 pm Message-ID: > I don't know why my views seem to be differing from the > majority of BOC-L peeples lately, but I reckon that the new > album is excellent. Certainly the best studio album they've > released this decade. > One thing that does disappoint me though, which is that the > song "Love in Space" which they played at the gigs I went to is > not on the album, I quite liked that one. Yup, that about sums it up for me. I've only had the thing for 30 hours and I've already listened to it more than I ever listened to _IITBOTFTBD_ ... however, I'll have to wait until _ET_ makes it over from the states for my final critical comparison. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Oct 31 13:41:13 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:41:13 +0000 Subject: HW: new album out! In-Reply-To: <9510311410.aa11067@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "M Holmes" at Oct 31, 95 02:10:01 pm Message-ID: > > First impressions, OK: It would have been the best HW studio album in > > several years, except for one thing. Ron Tree is a bloody awful singer. > > He's pretty bad on "Sputnik Stan". I wish they'd let Davey do the vocals > alone. All right, I'm with the Ron-haters there. His vocals on Sputnik Stan were pretty dire--I'd put it more down to a question of production there ... whoever allowed those vocals to remain as is on the tape should get the blame. I still like the song on the album, over all though. Cheers, Carl ObRandomComment: has anyone else heard the Floyd single with the 16 min version of "Interstellar Overdrive"? I ran across that today and thought it was pretty cool. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Oct 31 13:46:02 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:46:02 +0000 Subject: HW reference in Spin magazine In-Reply-To: <9510311407.aa10574@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "M Holmes" at Oct 31, 95 02:07:47 pm Message-ID: > Does Dave's amp go up to eleven? > Enquiring minds want to know ;-) To comment on a spurious question ... :) ... if it does, he doesn't set it there! I think he'd get a better guitar sound, especially in the studio, if he'd crank it up a bit more. In my relatively inexpert opinion, it really helps the guitar sound to "move some air", ie. have a solid physical effect on the microphone diaphram. It seems to me like you can tell when the guitars have been recorded _loud_ and when they haven't on lots of albums. I'm sure clever dicking around in the studio can make nearly anything sound huge, but it probably helps to just make it huge to begin with, and IMHO, Brock should crank it up more! :) (He should be louder in the mix at shows as well, though as I noted previously, he was more audible in London than on the US tour, and more audible on _Alien 4_ than on other recent HW ... Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Oct 31 13:50:38 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:50:38 +0000 Subject: BOC: Symbol In-Reply-To: <199510311608.IAA14052@desiree.teleport.com> from "Steve" at Oct 31, 95 08:14:20 am Message-ID: > There is a cottage industry that has grown up around pop music which > involves drawing parrellels between popular music (mainly jazz at first and > nowadays almost exclusively rock music) and the Horned Guy With the Pointy > Stick (as Frank Zappa called him) Hey, that's me! Every Halloween the Harvard SF club would strip down (but stay legal ;), daub ourselves not blue paint (theatre pancake, not actual woad ;) and go racing through the streets of Cambridge, MA in pursuit of a similarly (un)attired person with antlers strapped to his head and carrying a staff (namely, me :) Perhaps this is some other Horned Guy With the Pointy Stick we are talking about here ... :) Ah, alas for those days! Here it is, Samhain again, and no such heady excitement in Cambridge, England I'm afraid .... Cheers, Carl From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Oct 31 15:15:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:15:00 GMT Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9510311707.AA02008 at etlxd20c> Rob says > I don't know why my views seem to be differing from the > majority of BOC-L peeples lately, but I reckon that the new > album is excellent. Certainly the best studio album they've > released this decade. Oh, if it weren't for Ron, I'd *totally* agree - indeed, I'd almost be inclined to say best since the Calvert days. It's really heavy, gets a really good groove on, and when Ron shuts his trap, it's brilliant! That's what's so bloody annoying!!! E.g. "Blue Skin" is just working up a nice groove when he starts up, and then I just want him to shut it. And just when I think he's tolerable after all, he makes one of his whining noises. Calvert he ain't. Right. I've got that off my chest. I'll stop whingeing now, and take it out on the sodding trick-or-treaters. - Andy From staron at SKYNET.CO.UK Tue Oct 31 14:20:28 1995 From: staron at SKYNET.CO.UK (Aaron Trowell) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 19:20:28 GMT Subject: Blue Oyster Cult Images. Message-ID: I am in desperate need of Blue Oyster Cult Images. If anyone knows of any sites where i can get hold of these images, please could they tell me, either through BOC-L or through my private E-Mail address. Also some Lyrics to songs would be good too. Thanks. Aaron. From FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG Tue Oct 31 16:59:47 1995 From: FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG (DAVID FURST) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:59:47 CST Subject: Slightly left of topic Message-ID: With all the talk of Amon Duul and such - was just wondering if any of you folks remember a German band on the old Billingsgate label by the name of Lucifer's Friend - I have a release by this group that has some very nice heavy guitar - B-3 organ type of sound w/ song titles like 'In the time of job, when mammon was a yippie' that's the only one I can remember. Also, Epitaph (sp?), also German, who had a very interesting sound - sorta like heavy metal yet cowboy wannabees. Just wondering - for those interested in German rock from the very early 70's. Mr. Boy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Oct 31 17:32:55 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:32:55 EST Subject: Slightly left of topic Message-ID: > With all the talk of Amon Duul and such - was just wondering if any of you folks > remember a German band on the old Billingsgate label by the name of Lucifer's > Friend - I have a release by this group that has some very nice heavy guitar - > B-3 organ type of sound w/ song titles like 'In the time of job, when mammon was > a yippie' that's the only one I can remember. Also, Epitaph (sp?), also > German, who had a very interesting sound - sorta like heavy metal yet cowboy > wannabees. Just wondering - for those interested in German rock from the very > early 70's. > > Mr. Boy Mr. Boy, I sure do Remember Lucifer's Friend. They had an amazing singer, John Lawton, I believe, and, if I'm not mistaken, the virtuoso bass player Trevor Bolder (who I think played with Bowie's Spiders-era band). Yeah, the lyrics were rarely as good as those you mention. I think my copy was actually on a fairly mainstream US label. I have one lp by them, and I think the title is 'Fate's Warning.' but I'll have to make a trip to my vinyl vault to verify any of this. Anyone else out there remember them? Robo? AB? theo From khiller at INDIANA.EDU Tue Oct 31 21:36:30 1995 From: khiller at INDIANA.EDU (Brand) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 21:36:30 -0500 Subject: HW: albums on CD? In-Reply-To: <28EF6AE7766@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: This is probably an old question, but does anyone know if these albums are yet available on CD: Sonic Attack Choose Your Masques Zones I'm disappointed that the first two don't appear to be on CD yet, while "Church of Hawkwind" and those countless re-re-re-compilations are. Thanks, Brand From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Mon Oct 30 21:58:53 1995 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:58:53 +1600 Subject: HW: albums on CD? In-Reply-To: from "Brand" at Oct 31, 95 09:36:30 pm Message-ID: Brand Writes: > This is probably an old question, but does anyone know if these albums > are yet available on CD: > Sonic Attack > Choose Your Masques > Zones Zones is, but I haven't seen the other two (doesn't mean they're not on CD, though). -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome "There is an old proverb that says whatever you want it to say" - whoever... From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Tue Oct 31 22:09:46 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 22:09:46 EST Subject: BRAIN: Surgeons' Surprise Message-ID: Using my well honed psychic abilities, I see the Brain Surgeons signed to a major record label (Hmmmm... I see Atlantic?) and frantically performing new material for a major groundbreaking release. This will sell millions of copies worldwide and the Surgeons will depart on a world tour as openers to Soundgarden. Yes, they will even have a video on MTV. Watch as these events unfold before your eyes as Christmas approaches. HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!! Count Brian From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Tue Oct 31 22:13:14 1995 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 22:13:14 -0500 Subject: Kadu Flyer Info (fwd) Message-ID: An e-mail from an ex-member of the list. Anyone care to send him some direct e-mail by way of enlightenment? YnSSHM, Ben George Shalovka writes: >Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:02:53 -0500 (EST) >From: George Shalovka >Subject: Kadu Flyer Info > >Mr. Moderator, > > I'v been off of "The List" for quite some > time due to work constraints [bandwidth police], > but I attempted to contact The Bruces to see > what the status of the Kadu Flyer was. > > I'm sure that I missed a lot since April, but I > was hoping that U, or a knowledgeable mbr, could > plz provide me w/some sort of updated address or > info... > > I hope all r well... > >Sincerely, >George Shalovka >e-mail @ gshalovk at sctcorp.com From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Oct 31 23:17:52 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 23:17:52 -0500 Subject: HW: albums on CD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Brand wrote: > This is probably an old question, but does anyone know if these albums > are yet available on CD: > > Sonic Attack Nope. > Choose Your Masques Nope. I believe some dispute with the recording studio is preventing their release. > Zones Yep. Cheers, Paul. obHalloweenMarathon: Kolchak (it doesn't get any better than this!) From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Oct 31 04:29:32 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:29:32 +1100 Subject: OffTopic: Halloween Message-ID: To all US BOC-L'ers: HAve a good one! Paul -- Thought for the sleepless night: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Oct 31 06:57:28 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 22:57:28 +1100 Subject: OffTopic Message-ID: To those interested: The URL's for my Hawkwind WWW pages have moved (again). I suggest that if you wish to access any of them, you start at my home page, at least for the next two weeks! btw - any comments on the appearance (for those pages which have changed recently) ? Paul -- Thought for the day: Communist (n): one who has given up all hope of becoming a Capitalist. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Oct 31 06:55:13 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 22:55:13 +1100 Subject: HW: Attention Hawkdiskers Message-ID: To everyone who has contributed to my 'Hawkdisk' pages: Could you have a browse and let me know if there need to be any changes? Paul -- Thought for the day: Bagpipes (n): an octopus wearing a kilt. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly!