From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Nov 1 00:30:30 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 23:30:30 -0600 Subject: [HW] update on cover project In-Reply-To: <9510221742.AA22558@sonor> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Oct 1995, Johan Edlundh wrote: > Which was the name we decided? The titles we've come up with are: -------- From: Gary Wingert Back in the Box - The Hawkwind Covers Hawkwind Coverage Hawkwind - The Covert Covers Hawkwind's Got It Covered I Am A Clone I Am Not Alone Spirit of the Coverage (groan) Under the Covers With Hawkwind From: M Holmes Is it a title we're after? How 'bout "Shadows of the Hawk"? From: Johan Edlundh "Covering the Hawkwind Area" was my suggestion. I don't know if ths make sense in your ears, but it sounds good to my non-anglosaxic ones :-) From: Carl Anderson What!? We're not going to name each tape _Masters of the Universe_? Seriously, giving each tape an individual title seems good to me. Unless you want to name the whole project _Covers of the Universe_ ... From: scorch Another title suggestion: Covered In Chromium Feathers From: HERBERT119 at delphi.com Oh yeah, would "Returning Volumes Of Sound" be considered as a title for the HW cover tape(s)? I like it, it's the title of one of my own personal Hawkcomps and it does fit... ------- I think one of the above would do nicely as a title to the project, perhaps with the subtitle "The BOC-L HW cover project '95" or somesuch. Each of the three tapes would then have an individual title as well. Thus far "I am clone..." and "Shadows of the Hawk" are probably the best ones. Any other suggestions/preferences? Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Nov 1 01:10:49 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 01:10:49 -0500 Subject: HW: Space Daze book Message-ID: Yeah, I'm glad I bought this book, despite the kinda high price ($17.50). It's more helpful to me than it would be to lots of list members here, who are more educated on "Space Rock". Just finished Chapt. 3, which put a lot of stress on Pink Faries, people named Took and Twink, Mick Farren and the Deviants (all I knew about Farren is that he co-wrote "Lost Jonny") and his other ventures. And...Mark Bolan and T. Rex! Didn't know T. rex had been considered "Space Rock" or psyche. I guess this was before they hit it big... All in all, Chapt 3 seemed like a pretty impressice assessment of the underground space/psyche scene of late '60s Britian, Lots of stuff about the underground publications, clubs, festivals, etc. Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Nov 1 01:40:40 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 01:40:40 -0500 Subject: Slightly left of topic Message-ID: Mr. Boy, I bought a Lucifer's Friend album called Mind Exploding ('76) for one dollar. I never played it more than a few times, wasn't too turned on by it. Rather than anything really heavy or psychedelic, it was more like a cross between prog rock and radio-oriented rock (something like Journey). I've seen plenty of others, though (for much more than one dollar) and a couple (Black Mass, I think, for one) looked pretty demonic... Chuck From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Wed Nov 1 04:56:17 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 09:56:17 +0000 Subject: BOC: Symbol In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > in pursuit of a similarly (un)attired person with antlers strapped to his > head and carrying a staff (namely, me :) > > Ah, alas for those days! Here it is, Samhain again, and no such > heady excitement in Cambridge, England I'm afraid .... It can be arranged ! From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Nov 1 07:51:55 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 07:51:55 -0500 Subject: [HW] update on cover project In-Reply-To: from "Allan T Grohe Jr" at Oct 31, 95 11:30:30 pm Message-ID: Allan T Grohe Jr writes: > Thus far "I am clone..." and "Shadows of the Hawk" are probably the best > ones. Any other suggestions/preferences? Off the top of my head, how about "It is the Business of the Future to be Imitated"? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Kyuss, _Welcome to Sky Valley_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 1 08:02:23 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:02:23 EST Subject: OffTopic Message-ID: Was someone looking for info on upcoming releases from Gary Hoey? There is a full-page ad in this month's 'Guitar World' shilling both a christmas disc, 'Ho Ho Hoey' and a 'regular' disc, simply entitled 'Gary Hoey.' Wish the Oyster Boys would put out albums with Gary's frequency! ted From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 1 08:21:04 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:21:04 GMT Subject: HW: albums on CD? In-Reply-To: Brand's message of Tue, 31 Oct 1995 21:36:30 -0500 Message-ID: Brand writes: > This is probably an old question, but does anyone know if these albums > are yet available on CD: > > Sonic Attack > Choose Your Masques > Zones > > I'm disappointed that the first two don't appear to be on CD yet, while > "Church of Hawkwind" and those countless re-re-re-compilations are. Zones is out on the Zones/Stonehenge CD. The guy at RCA is still reluctant to put the other two out on CD until he gets a better deal. I gather that another round of persuading him is about to start. Mike "Should we just send the boys round?" Holmes From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Nov 1 09:14:41 1995 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 09:14:41 -0500 Subject: Ron Satanspawn Message-ID: >> > > First impressions, OK: It would have been the best HW studio album in > > several years, except for one thing. Ron Tree is a bloody awful singer. > > Why'd they hire this clown? > >Thank you, Andy. Nice to know I'm not completely alone in my >assessment. > > I think this is just keeping with tradition. From a purely technical standpoint all the HW vocalists have sucked IMHO. My favorite is Huwey-and as we all know-he sucked as well. regards, Bill Stewart From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 1 11:29:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:29:00 PST Subject: HW reference in Spin magazine Message-ID: > Browsing a recent issue (Nov 95) of SPIN magazine, I discovered a >brief chart describing Space Rock And Where It Came From (pg.32). > It traces the evolution of space rock from Moroccan shamens to Sun > Ra, to Pink Floyd, and then to HAWKWIND. From there it goes >directly to Krautrock (Can, Neu), to Eno, P-Funk, Pixies, The ORB, >Irresistible Force, and finally to Sabalon Glitz. > Captain Cloud Ahoy Captain, tell me was George Clinton referenced in the article? A friend and I recently had a debate as to whether George was influenced by Rock (me) or whether George created the modern rock era (friend). Certainly George's earlier workds especially with Funkadelic has strong rock roots. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 1 11:51:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:51:00 PST Subject: Bloom's attitude again its over. Message-ID: Just to put an end to the debate thats already ended. For the sake of the new person who began this, with the personal responses I recieved and what has been posted I think you may realize that the whole thread was much ado about nothing. Thanks AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 1 11:57:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:57:00 PST Subject: WotT/Neophyte Suggestion Message-ID: I would recommend Secret Treaties. Tis my favorite but much more than that I think it is the bridge before the softer sounds suggested by AOF, Specters, Mirrors and the harder edge of the first two albums. Besides I would be hard pressed to name three better songs on an album than Subhuman, Flaming Telepaths and Astronomy. AOF/Specters are good choices too as they contian more radio worthy songs (can't believe I said that). Would definitely not start with Imaginos until your friend has some experience with the band. Just my $.02. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 1 12:07:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 09:07:00 PST Subject: BOC could do it too! Message-ID: Hey I know eMpTV is not popular on this service but what the hell I got my cable installed and sometimes you have to watch something. Speaking of something did any one catch Kiss' unplugged performance last night? Was actually pretty good, especially Domino. There was also a Kodak moment when Ace Frehely and Pete Criss joined the new version on stage for a rendition of Beth. Most of you will disagree with me but I think the Oyster Boys would absolutely blow away an audience if they were given an opportunity to play unplugged on eMpTV. It would introduce them to a legion of new fans who would be absolutely amzed at the Oyster boys. They have a multitude of songs that would rule unplugged. After seeing Domino (which I think is a pretty good rocker. NOTE: you can flame me now) I say unplug the geetars and throw down some ME 262. Six in the player recently - The Definitive Triumph - Triumph by Torgo. Sorry Triumph fans there's only one of these in existence and I got it thanks to Torgo. Contagious - Y&T Best of 81-85 - Y&T Child of the Novelty - Mohagany Rush (classic classic stuff) Ted Nugent - Live Gonzos The Best of BTO - BTO AB From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 1 10:10:25 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:10:25 GMT Subject: OffTop: Linda Spa/TD (was: Area S.4.) In-Reply-To: Craig Shipley's message of Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:50:15 -0400 Message-ID: Craig Shipley writes: > > I love synthesizers, I love saxs, I love sax 'n' synths together (i.e. > Passport, HW), I love(d) TD but ever since they added the sax to their > lineup, the TD that I knew and loved was gone. S'cuze me, ladies of the > BOC-L, for what is going to sound like a mighty sexist statement, but IMHO, > Ms. Spa is merely eye candy. She contributes zero to the sound of the band, > as she sounds like every other bland sax honker out there (at least Nik > does a good waterfowl imitation!). Iffen ya ask me, TD lost its' way when > Chris Franke left the band. The music that Edgar & Co. has been making > since his departure sounds like he has gotten one groove in his head and > keeps looping it over and over again, with minor variations. And TD used > to be the band that led the rest of the world in innovative sounds and > textures; now they just play the presets (IMHO)! Sorry, I'm ranting... ObYep: Yup. FoFP From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 1 11:05:00 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 11:05:00 EST Subject: WotT/Neophyte Suggestion Message-ID: > I would recommend Secret Treaties. Tis my favorite but much more than that > I think it is the bridge before the softer sounds suggested by AOF, > Specters, Mirrors and the harder edge of the first two albums. Besides I > would be hard pressed to name three better songs on an album than Subhuman, > Flaming Telepaths and Astronomy. AOF/Specters are good choices too as they > contian more radio worthy songs (can't believe I said that). Would > definitely not start with Imaginos until your friend has some experience > with the band. Just my $.02. > > AB AB, That's a tough call! I see you didn't mention 'Dominance.' I guess it's a toss up between that and 'Stairway' for my fave BOC tune. As for visceral cult impact, I'd go with 'Tyranny and Mvtation,' but for a true glimpse into the group's creativity, I'd pick 'Treaties.' Hard to find better rock material anywhere to compete with 'Telepaths/Astronomy,' as devastating a one-two puch as exists in rock. Really, I consider the first three records as perfect gems, wheras I can find flaws in all the other BOC albums... ted From reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM Wed Nov 1 11:08:52 1995 From: reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 11:08:52 EST Subject: WotT/Neophyte Suggestion Message-ID: Hmmm... Can't find three better songs on Imaginos? Wouldn't recommend it? IMO, It's the crown jewel of the BOC collection. If you can only pick one, this is the place to start. RR From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Nov 1 11:22:10 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 09:22:10 -0700 Subject: BOC Unplugged in Vegas In-Reply-To: <3095605D@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: AB and all- Eyes responded about the unplugged in Vegas-it didn't happen afterall. Later- Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Nov 1 11:31:49 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 16:31:49 +0000 Subject: WotT/Neophyte Suggestion In-Reply-To: <2A080803DDE@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: > rock. Really, I consider the first three records as perfect gems, > wheras I can find flaws in all the other BOC albums... > ted > Really? CE strikes me as pretty damn perfect. Dave From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Nov 1 12:43:04 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 12:43:04 EST Subject: OFF: P-Funk (was: HW reference in Spin magazine) Message-ID: >>brief chart describing Space Rock And Where It Came From (pg.32). >> It traces the evolution of space rock from Moroccan shamens to Sun >> Ra, to Pink Floyd, and then to HAWKWIND. From there it goes >>directly to Krautrock (Can, Neu), to Eno, P-Funk, Pixies, The ORB, ^^^^^^ >Ahoy Captain, tell me was George Clinton referenced in the article? P-Funk == Parliament/Funkadelic/Brides of Funkenstein/Bootsy's Rubber Band/etc.etc.etc. These are the guys that pioneered acid-driven space funk; they were notorious as regular LSD users off- and particularly on-stage. This seems to be "standard" equipment in Space Rock bands. There was a mid-seventies tour where the stage prop was a large flying saucer that the strangely dressed band emerged from. Clinton seemed to regularly use space as a theme in his work (the proceeding sentence is NOT a political comment! ;-) Today, George Clinton is one of the most sampled men in the world. Recognizing this, he has begun producing CDs containing nothing except ideal "bites" of sound, specifically designed to be sampled. The only restriction he places on use of these samples is that he be sent a free tape copy of whatever music is produced using one of this samples. Or so I read in a magazine a while back... Captain Cloud From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 1 13:59:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:59:00 PST Subject: WotT/Neophyte Suggestion Message-ID: >Hmmm... >Can't find three better songs on Imaginos? Wouldn't recommend it? >IMO, It's the crown jewel of the BOC collection. If you can only >pick one, this is the place to start. >RR ab= Uh, uh RR was just suggesting that for a complete newbie I wouldn't recommend Imaginos until the new listener had some perspective on the band and their style. Imaginos is the Ultimate, however if you spoil someone with the best the rest may not be as appealing, see Boston for example. >That's a tough call! I see you didn't mention 'Dominance.' I guess >it's a toss up between that and 'Stairway' for my fave BOC tune. As >for visceral cult impact, I'd go with 'Tyranny and Mvtation,' but for >a true glimpse into the group's creativity, I'd pick 'Treaties.' >Hard to find better rock material anywhere to compete with >'Telepaths/Astronomy,' as devastating a one-two puch as exists in >rock. Really, I consider the first three records as perfect gems, >wheras I can find flaws in all the other BOC albums... >ted ab=Won't argue with you on the quality of the first three but I think ST is the crossroads of BOC music it has a little bit on both sides of the musical spectrum. AB From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Wed Nov 1 12:29:55 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 12:29:55 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Surgeons' Suprise Message-ID: Count Brian speculates: > Using my well honed psychic abilities, I see the Brain Surgeons >signed to a major record label (Hmmmm... I see Atlantic?) and frantically >performing new material for a major groundbreaking release. This will >sell millions of copies worldwide and the Surgeons will depart on a world >tour as openers to Soundgarden. Yes, they will even have a video on MTV. >Watch as these events unfold before your eyes as Christmas approaches. Is this the secret that Chip, Keeper of the Sacred Truths, Hart is hiding from us? If we speculate enough we may guess, although it might mean the loss of Chip's ears if he tells whose right. Our predictions may also give Al and Deb some great ideas for the future. My psychic information is slightly more down to Earth, although the Count's is much more desirable. It's a four track live Surgeons EP recorded at the last few gigs, limited edition, available free by mail order as a stop-gap, seeings how after Chip's comments we're salavating at the thought of the next full CD - which will see them fulfilling their rightful position as in the Count's prediction (although they will be headlining). Stranger things have happened. .......Baron Von Grinstein. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 1 13:00:40 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:00:40 +0000 Subject: BOC: Symbol In-Reply-To: from "Maxine Wesley" at Nov 1, 95 09:56:17 am Message-ID: > > in pursuit of a similarly (un)attired person with antlers strapped to his > > head and carrying a staff (namely, me :) > > Ah, alas for those days! Here it is, Samhain again, and no such > > heady excitement in Cambridge, England I'm afraid .... > > It can be arranged ! Good. I await the descent of the crazed heathen hordes :) British Tribal Music rules, OK! Cheers, Carl From chip at PCC.COM Wed Nov 1 13:48:05 1995 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:48:05 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Surgeons' Suprise In-Reply-To: <9511011729.AA23508@phinet.sb.com> from "CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY" at Nov 1, 95 12:29:55 pm Message-ID: > > Using my well honed psychic abilities, I see the Brain Surgeons > >signed to a major record label (Hmmmm... I see Atlantic?)... Grinning Boy: > Is this the secret that Chip, Keeper of the Sacred Truths, Hart is > hiding from us? Actually, Al *did* mention something about this, but I'm not at liberty to divulge any info simply because I have none to divulge. Obviously, getting signed to the likes of Atlantic would be very cool. > It's a four track live Surgeons EP recorded at the > last few gigs, limited edition, available free by mail order as a stop-gap, > seeings how after Chip's comments we're salavating at the thought of the > next full CD... Cough, cough, um, er, I never said ANYTHING like that, did I? No sir, cough. I'm not going to get in trouble, ahem! -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8177 From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 1 14:07:30 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 19:07:30 GMT Subject: All Hallows (Off topic) In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:50:38 +0000 Message-ID: > Hey, that's me! Every Halloween the Harvard SF club would strip > down (but stay legal ;), daub ourselves not blue paint (theatre pancake, > not actual woad ;) and go racing through the streets of Cambridge, MA > in pursuit of a similarly (un)attired person with antlers strapped to his > head and carrying a staff (namely, me :) > Ah, alas for those days! Here it is, Samhain again, and no such > heady excitement in Cambridge, England I'm afraid .... > oh yes - the idea of scantily clad, blue-daubed figures with antlers on their heads scurrying through the streets of Cambridge and running out across the misty Cambridge fens on a dank November's eve conjurs a wonderful, wonderful picture! Quite apart from the fact that you would unquestionably be arrested for "indecent exposure" "behaviour likely to cause an affray" or other quaint medieval puritanisms you would also undoubtedly hit the front page of the News of the World/The Sun/The Daily Meal/and most likely the Sunday Sport while the tales of horrified Cambridgeshire folk would be Legion - probably growing in exaggeration with every round. Ah - and my claim to fame would be...... "yes, I know that person" You'd also probably end up with pneumonia too, but that's entirely by the way! cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Bcpub at AOL.COM Wed Nov 1 14:19:59 1995 From: Bcpub at AOL.COM (Brian Cooke) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:19:59 -0500 Subject: yikes Message-ID: I wasn't expecting this much mail from the mailing list. Please instruct me on how to request that I be taken off the list. In the meantime, I will try sending a separate message with UNSUB BOC-L Thanks, Brian Cooke From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Nov 1 17:10:59 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:10:59 -0500 Subject: BOC could do it too! Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-01 10:36:12 EST, you write: > but I think the Oyster Boys >would absolutely blow away an audience if they were given an opportunity to >play unplugged on eMpTV. It would introduce them to a legion of new fans >who would be absolutely amzed at the Oyster boys. I agree...what's the odds of the Bouchard Bros sittin in on an MTV unplugged? btw, I saw the Kiss Unplugged too...thought it was pretty neat... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Nov 1 17:11:05 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:11:05 -0500 Subject: BOC Unplugged in Vegas Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-01 11:32:55 EST, you write: >AB and all- > >Eyes responded about the unplugged in Vegas-it didn't happen afterall. > >Later- what was the problem? ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Nov 1 17:25:09 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:25:09 -0500 Subject: BOC Unplugged in Vegas Message-ID: it was said on the AOL board that "Rick Downey didn't get the Oystrboys to the radio station"... ROBO From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Wed Nov 1 17:51:37 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:51:37 -0500 Subject: Ron Satanspawn Message-ID: > >>> >> > First impressions, OK: It would have been the best HW studio album in >> > several years, except for one thing. Ron Tree is a bloody awful singer. >> > Why'd they hire this clown? >> >>Thank you, Andy. Nice to know I'm not completely alone in my >>assessment. >> >> > >I think this is just keeping with tradition. From a purely technical >standpoint all the HW vocalists have sucked IMHO. My favorite is Huwey-and as >we all know-he sucked as well. > >regards, >Bill Stewart > > This line of discussion reminds me very much of the discussions we had long ago after " Hall of the Mountain Grill" tour came around. I remember such things being said as" What's with this violin?" and basically I didn't hear too much positive about it at the time. ( I for one, being a young, long haired metal-head was one of the ones that were negative towards it.) Needless to say, as time passed, HotMG has stood the test of time and remains one of their finer acheivements. I feel that time will do the same for the present configuration of the band. HW has always been a band of changes, and this is just another change in the metamorphisis of the Hawk. I am only familiar with the Area S4 cd, and have seen Ron in the last tour, and I think he brings something different to the table. I like his style, and for those of you who don't, why worry, there will more than likely be a different singer/lineup in another couple albums anyway:) Duane OBCD: Jean-Luc Ponty - No Absolute Time -- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 1 18:32:39 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 23:32:39 +0000 Subject: HW: albums on CD? In-Reply-To: <9511011321.aa05797@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "M Holmes" at Nov 1, 95 01:21:04 pm Message-ID: > The guy at RCA is still > reluctant to put the other two out on CD until he gets a better deal. I > gather that another round of persuading him is about to start. > > Mike "Should we just send the boys round?" Holmes Yeah, let's go kick his sorry ass! Carl "When in doubt use violence!" Anderson :) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 1 18:44:09 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 23:44:09 +0000 Subject: All Hallows (Off topic) In-Reply-To: <9511011907.aa25704@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Nov 1, 95 07:07:30 pm Message-ID: > Quite apart from the fact that you would unquestionably be arrested for > "indecent exposure" "behaviour likely to cause an affray" or other > quaint medieval puritanisms you would also undoubtedly hit the front > page of the News of the World/The Sun/The Daily Meal/and most likely > the Sunday Sport while the tales of horrified Cambridgeshire folk > would be Legion - probably growing in exaggeration with every round. Well, no one on the hunt was ever indecently exposed in public, but their attire was rather ... informal. 'Course, in Harvard Square this caused very little stir ;) I think the university paper usually carried some small blurb about the hunt the next day, and occasionally people would come up and ask if they hadn't seen you running through the streets painted blue the other week :) > You'd also probably end up with pneumonia too, but that's entirely by > the way! Shockingly enough, despite the similar weather conditions in both Cambridges this time of year, I don't think anyone ever got ill as a result of this. You actually stay pretty warm with all that dashing about, etc. ...... Cheers, Carl ObTopicalRemark: perhaps HW should ditch the fire-eaters and just get some antlered people painted blue instead :) From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Wed Nov 1 19:06:14 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 20:06:14 -0400 Subject: WotT Message-ID: ON Mon, 30 Oct 1995 Dan wrote: > One last thing. All these years Mr Samuel Pearlman has been > somewhat influential on the bands doings. But I've NEVER seen a picture > of this Sandman. How does he look? Where do I find a picture? I believe there's a picture in one or the Morning Finals. Maybe some can recall exactly which one. He looks like Jimmy Page, except balding blonde hair, no sex appeal, and not as cute, now or ever. Al From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 04:32:31 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:32:31 +0000 Subject: BOC could do it too! In-Reply-To: <951101171059_10012613@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Rob Maerz wrote: > In a message dated 95-11-01 10:36:12 EST, you write: > > >play unplugged on eMpTV. It would introduce them to a legion of new fans > >who would be absolutely amzed at the Oyster boys. I've just had a weird thought - Hawkwind unplugged! (Not that i'm saying they rely on the synth set up these days.) "and the night shall be devoid of music..... Maxine From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 05:07:27 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:07:27 +0000 Subject: Kick Out the Jams In-Reply-To: <3090D6A6@osoft_nt.buckhead.com> Message-ID: Many thanks for posting those lyrics! Dave From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Thu Nov 2 05:53:50 1995 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 05:53:50 EST Subject: HW: Alieenn 4/X-files ? Message-ID: Greetings spacerock fans ! I've just received the new Hawkwind album (digipack/dlp), and I'm now listening to the cd and so far I think it's the best album they've done since 1970. It reminds me a lot of X-files or is it the reverse ? It's absolutely high calibre spacerock Hawkwind is up to now, and Ron does a great job in the group. I like both the instrumental tracks as well as the rockier ones. I can't say that I've found a favourite so far, all tracks are great and it sounds more like a theme-album many groups did in the 70's. The overall feeling is that this is a very exciting album to listen to, especially if you're into SF. Now over to another subject: Can someone in the London-area help me with addresses and fax-numbers to SF-bookstores like Forbidden planet etc. I'm thinking of buying Asimov-books and they are much cheaper in England than in Sweden ? Thanks in advance / All the best from the cold north. Henrik From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 06:32:45 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:32:45 +0000 Subject: HW: Alieenn 4/X-files ? In-Reply-To: <951102105349_100522.44_JHB33-1@CompuServe.COM> Message-ID: > Now over to another subject: Can someone in the London-area > help me with addresses and fax-numbers to SF-bookstores like > Forbidden planet etc. I'm thinking of buying Asimov-books and they > are much cheaper in England than in Sweden ? > > Thanks in advance / All the best from the cold north. > > Henrik > The London branch of the Forbidden Planet bookshop is at New Oxford Street, London WC1. I don't know the exact number in the street though. Dave From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 07:30:04 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 12:30:04 +0000 Subject: Motorhead BBC1 7pm In-Reply-To: <951101171059_10012613@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: The heading says it all, Motorhead are on Top of the Pops tonight By the way does anyone have the MH UK tour dates? Maxine From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Nov 2 11:58:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 08:58:00 PST Subject: BOC Unplugged in Vegas Message-ID: >it was said on the AOL board that "Rick Downey didn't get the Oystrboys to >the radio station"... >ROBO Real Bummer. Perhaps Shenck can get an MTV gig instead. AB From kfrazier at NCSA.UIUC.EDU Thu Nov 2 09:14:48 1995 From: kfrazier at NCSA.UIUC.EDU (Keith Frazier) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:14:48 -0500 Subject: Slightly left of topic Message-ID: >With all the talk of Amon Duul and such - was just wondering if any of you >folks >remember a German band on the old Billingsgate label by the name of Lucifer's >Friend - Had their first album back in the late 70's. Picked up a cassette by them about 6-7 years ago called "Sneak me in". The cassette was more pop than rock. The first album was really heavy in the Black Sabbath kind of way though. Wish I could find it again! Keith kfrazier at ncsa.uiuc.edu NCSA University of IL. " From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Nov 2 12:16:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:16:00 PST Subject: BRAIN: Surgeons' Suprise Message-ID: >Count Brian speculates: > Using my well honed psychic abilities, I see the Brain Surgeons >signed to a major record label (Hmmmm... I see Atlantic?) and frantically >performing new material for a major groundbreaking release. This will >sell millions of copies worldwide and the Surgeons will depart on a world >tour as openers to Soundgarden. Yes, they will even have a video on MTV. >Watch as these events unfold before your eyes as Christmas approaches. Brain Surgeons and Soundgarden? Twould be a good show methinks. But will someone get some loose lips and yell out the suprise. The anticipation is starting to hurt. AB Five in the single player Rock & Roll Machine - Triumph Never Surrender - Triumph Stages - Triumph Wicked Sensations - Lynch Mob Caught in The Act - Grand Funk Railroad Binging on some Triumph obviously. From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Nov 2 12:17:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:17:00 PST Subject: Directory update. Message-ID: >PS AB, how is the directory coming along? A mammouth task by any >lengths. This is not a hassle, just an enquiry. >Thanks, .......Charlie. The unedited version was sent out a while ago. It contains everybody's response as it was sent to me. The edited pretty version well its kicking my A@$ literally. Hoping to transition this to my admin as all those columns and stuff are burning my fingers to the bone. Should be ready soon though. AB From FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG Thu Nov 2 10:26:21 1995 From: FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG (DAVID FURST) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:26:21 CST Subject: Slightly left of topic Message-ID: Yeah, the first Lucifer's Friend album is the one I mean - Really had a Black Sabbath/Deep Purple (the B-3 sound) feel. I never heard any of their later releases - sounds like they deviated a bunch. I really should get my turntable repaired and give that vinyl another spin!! Mr. Boy (spin doctor extroardinaire) From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Nov 2 11:11:02 1995 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:11:02 -0600 Subject: HW: Alieenn 4/X-files ? In-Reply-To: <951102105349_100522.44_JHB33-1@CompuServe.COM> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 1995, Henrik Hallgren wrote: > I like both the instrumental tracks as well as the rockier ones. Only two instrumentals? Alright! Less ambient crap!... oh, then again, darn... more Ron crap. Oh well. I'll get used to it... Heck, I got used to calvert's tone-deafness, didn't I? Still wondering, Damon Capehart | UTD Student Govt. Assoc., Communications Committee; dcapehar at utdallas.edu | Society of Physics Students From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Nov 2 12:08:00 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 12:08:00 -0500 Subject: WotT Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-01 23:13:07 EST, you write: >Mr Samuel Pearlman has been >> somewhat influential on the bands doings. But I've NEVER seen a picture >> of this Sandman. How does he look? Where do I find a picture? > >I believe there's a picture in one or the Morning Finals. Maybe some can >recall exactly which one. He looks like Jimmy Page, except balding blonde >hair, no sex appeal, and not as cute, now or ever. >Al I have a pic of Pearlman...if I had a scanner I'd upload it...I guess that's why he's wearing a hat in the pic! ROBO From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Thu Nov 2 12:27:08 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 12:27:08 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Surgeons' Suprise Message-ID: > > > Using my well honed psychic abilities, I see the Brain Surgeons > > >signed to a major record label (Hmmmm... I see Atlantic?)... >Grinning Boy: >> Is this the secret that Chip, Keeper of the Sacred Truths, Hart is >> hiding from us? >> It's a four track live Surgeons EP recorded at the >> last few gigs, limited edition, available free by mail order as a stop-gap, >> seeings how after Chip's comments we're salavating at the thought of the >> next full CD... Mr Hart: > Cough, cough, um, er, I never said ANYTHING like that, did I? > No sir, cough. I'm not going to get in trouble, ahem! Does this mean we have a potentially ear threatening situation here? Is Chip for the chop? .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Nov 2 12:43:52 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 12:43:52 -0500 Subject: FTP: Lansford Message-ID: is the FTP Lansford site out of commission? please lemme know so I can update the Web site accordingly... thanx ROBO From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 2 13:07:20 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 13:07:20 -0500 Subject: BOC Unplugged in Vegas Message-ID: That sounds like utter bullshit, and as an excuse, even more pathetic than the show didn't happen for "political reasons"... As a road manager, Rick Downey (who never had any problems finessing the far more numerous and intricate details of Anthrax's much more demanding schedule during the many years he worked for that band) is extremely experienced, a consummate professional. And if these guys know they have to be somewhere, hey, they each have two feet...not to mention digits to dial a taxi... From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 11:28:21 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 16:28:21 GMT Subject: Calling Paul Ward Message-ID: Is the digipak version of Alien4 (with booklet) Ok for you? FoFP From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 14:46:58 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 19:46:58 +0000 Subject: Motorhead BBC1 7pm In-Reply-To: from "Maxine Wesley" at Nov 2, 95 12:30:04 pm Message-ID: > The heading says it all, Motorhead are on Top of the Pops tonight Damn. Not only have I not made it to the London gig, but I've missed them on TotP as well! Anyone tape it? Cheers, Carl From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Nov 2 14:48:26 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 14:48:26 -0500 Subject: BOC Unplugged in Vegas In-Reply-To: <951102130719_96130645@mail06.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Nov 2, 95 01:07:20 pm Message-ID: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM writes: > That sounds like utter bullshit, and as an excuse, even more pathetic than > the show didn't happen for "political reasons"... As a road manager, Rick > Downey (who never had any problems finessing the far more numerous and > intricate details of Anthrax's much more demanding schedule during the many > years he worked for that band) is extremely experienced, a consummate > professional. And if these guys know they have to be somewhere, hey, they > each have two feet...not to mention digits to dial a taxi... Maybe they forgot to set their alarm clocks the night before? Hey, it could happen... ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Mothers of Invention, _Uncle Meat_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 14:55:52 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 19:55:52 +0000 Subject: WotT In-Reply-To: <9511012006.AA14497@worldlink.com> from "albert bouchard" at Nov 1, 95 08:06:14 pm Message-ID: > > One last thing. All these years Mr Samuel Pearlman has been > > somewhat influential on the bands doings. But I've NEVER seen a picture > > of this Sandman. How does he look? Where do I find a picture? > > I believe there's a picture in one or the Morning Finals. Maybe some can > recall exactly which one. He looks like Jimmy Page, except balding blonde > hair, no sex appeal, and not as cute, now or ever. So ... more or less not at all like Jimmy Page, ja? ;) (Well, I personally never thought of JP as sexy or cute, but I feel little shame in that :) Cheers, Carl From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 2 13:51:29 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 18:51:29 GMT Subject: HW: release of Aliens Message-ID: Apparently - according to C&D - the release of the jewel case version of ALLIEENN4 has been held back to allow the digipak version to sell first. So do folk wanting me to get them a normal-type CD format wish to wait until the jewel case version appears or just procure one of the digipak versions while they are around? And do we award Doug Smith the creative sales prize of the year.... jill PS: The digipak version is a folded card cover with the Alien pic on the outside. The inside left hand cover (usually) contains a half pocket where a booklet slips in. The booklet contains the alien lyrics and copies of the pics reproduced on the inside of the vinyl cover. It has a picture of an alien face matching the background so the two faces slide on top of each other. The righthand side holds the CD. I guess the jewel box will just have the booklet and the CD. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Thu Nov 2 15:39:19 1995 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 15:39:19 -0500 Subject: Motorhead BBC1 7pm Message-ID: > > The heading says it all, Motorhead are on Top of the Pops tonight Isn't this the Fifth sign of the Apocalypse ???? Steve L. From stenger at MATH.UAKRON.EDU Thu Nov 2 16:26:24 1995 From: stenger at MATH.UAKRON.EDU (Ed Stenger) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 16:26:24 -0500 Subject: BOC: Boc to play Cleveland Message-ID: Hey all you Cleveland area fans. According to the latest Scene magazine, BOC will be playing at "The Edge" at 5100 Pearl Rd. in Cleveland on Saturday, Nov. 18th. I will be there. Will you? Their number is 749-3255 or 749-3321 for info. --------- Ed Stenger stenger at math.uakron.edu p.s. - Hey Rick Spaller! Get a hold of me so we can plan on going to this thing! From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Nov 2 17:34:27 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 17:34:27 -0500 Subject: HW Cover Project: request for ftp site Message-ID: Hawkfan Greetings, BOC-L fandom: Gary, Allan, and I have been talking about the tape case inserts for the 3-tape HW Covers project. We are putting together some samples we are evaluating, and we need to be able to pass files back and forth. Eventually (soon), we propose to make some samples available to the list for comments. What we need is a site where we can have ftp (and probably www) access, for temporarily storing graphics files, and for eventually displaying to the BOC-L "world". If any of the folks who run their own web page (here in USA, preferably) has a few Megabytes of disk space that they can spare, we would like to borrow it. Specifically, we need to be able to ftp to and from a public directory. The files stored in this dir will be GIF (or JPG) and EPS files. If this sounds like you, please contact me at: cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com Thanks for any help... Captain Cloud From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Nov 2 16:48:33 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 21:48:33 GMT Subject: Motorhead BBC1 7pm In-Reply-To: Stephen Lindsey's message of Thu, 2 Nov 1995 15:39:19 -0500 Message-ID: > > > The heading says it all, Motorhead are on Top of the Pops tonight > > Isn't this the Fifth sign of the Apocalypse ???? No, I saw them playing Louie Louie on TotP in the 70s. Dave. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Nov 2 16:57:04 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 16:57:04 -0500 Subject: Motorhead BBC1 7pm In-Reply-To: <199511022039.PAA25053@dogberry> from "Stephen Lindsey" at Nov 2, 95 03:39:19 pm Message-ID: Stephen Lindsey wonders: > > > The heading says it all, Motorhead are on Top of the Pops tonight > > Isn't this the Fifth sign of the Apocalypse ???? I've seen Motorhead on _TotP_ a couple of times. Once they did "Ace of Spades" and another time they appeared with Girlschool, but I can't remember what they did. "Louie, Louie?" Anyone remember the time Lemmy appeared on French & Saunders (or so I recall), with a truckload of other notable guitarists (Dave Gilmour, Gary Moore, Mark Knopfler, etc.)? On trial was some guy who invented a learn-to-play-the-guitar system that used little dots. The guitarists were brought on as witnesses for the prosecution, for it was claimed they were helpless without the little dots to guide them. Anyway, the punchline was "nah, the sketch'd never work; we'd never be able to get them [the famous guitarists] to appear..." It was pretty neat. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Kyuss, _Blues For The Red Sun_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Thu Nov 2 17:01:30 1995 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Brand) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 17:01:30 -0500 Subject: HW: release of Aliens In-Reply-To: <9511021851.aa27879@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: OK, obvious question. Is there a release date for this CD in the States? I'm really looking forward to hearing it. Thanks, Brand From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Nov 2 17:01:17 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 17:01:17 -0500 Subject: BOC Unplugged in Vegas Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-02 14:55:11 EST, you write: >Maybe they forgot to set their alarm clocks the night before? > >Hey, it could happen... > >;-) > >Cheers, > >Paul. > > ha! I know what happened! Kramer from Seinfeld was supposed to wake 'em up but he overslept in the hot-tub! ROBO From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Thu Nov 2 18:53:09 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 23:53:09 +0000 Subject: WotT Message-ID: > > > One last thing. All these years Mr Samuel Pearlman has been > > > somewhat influential on the bands doings. But I've NEVER seen a picture > > > of this Sandman. How does he look? Where do I find a picture? > > > > I believe there's a picture in one or the Morning Finals. Maybe some can > > recall exactly which one. He looks like Jimmy Page, except balding blonde > > hair, no sex appeal, and not as cute, now or ever. > > So ... more or less not at all like Jimmy Page, ja? ;) > > > (Well, I personally never thought of JP as sexy or cute, but > I feel little shame in that :) > Well, I will get an article from helpful Chuck R. with a photo of Sandy. But after this information I'm a bit disappointed, I have to admit. Should I ask for a photo of this other guy instead, this Jimmy Page? Who could that be? (room for a suitable smiley) Dan From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 2 20:06:52 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 20:06:52 -0500 Subject: HW: Space Daze book Message-ID: chuck said.>>>>>Yeah, I'm glad I bought this book, despite the kinda high price ($17.50). <<<<<< chuck,where do you live?i bought this book for ten dollars,and the disk for 16,directly from brian at cleopatra.i also saw them both in tower records for like prices. rj From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Nov 2 21:56:12 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 19:56:12 -0700 Subject: BOC Unplugged in Vegas In-Reply-To: <951101171105_10012692@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, Rob Maerz wrote: > In a message dated 95-11-01 11:32:55 EST, you write: > > >AB and all- > > > >Eyes responded about the unplugged in Vegas-it didn't happen afterall. > > > >Later- > > what was the problem? > > ROBO > ROBO & ALL; Eyes did not state the reason why the unplugged radio appearance did not happen. Perhaps S. Schenk had something to do with it (joking, of course). Seriously, we don't know why. Adios...........Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From ike at MO.NET Thu Nov 2 21:49:33 1995 From: ike at MO.NET (Ed Eichendorf) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 21:49:33 -0500 Subject: Slightly left of topic Message-ID: -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Date: Tuesday, 31-Oct-95 05:32 PM From: Ted O. Jackson \ Internet: (tojackso at hawk.syr.edu) To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L \ Internet: (boc-l at listserv.spc. edu) Subject: Re: Slightly left of topic > With all the talk of Amon Duul and such - was just wondering if any of you folks > remember a German band on the old Billingsgate label by the name of Lucifer's > Friend - I have a release by this group that has some very nice heavy guitar - > B-3 organ type of sound w/ song titles like 'In the time of job, when mammon was > a yippie' that's the only one I can remember. > (snip) > Mr. Boy Mr. Boy, I sure do Remember Lucifer's Friend. They had an amazing singer, John Lawton, I believe, and, if I'm not mistaken, the virtuoso bass player Trevor Bolder (who I think played with Bowie's Spiders-era band). Yeah, the lyrics were rarely as good as those you mention. I think my copy was actually on a fairly mainstream US label. I have one lp by them, and I think the title is 'Fate's Warning.' but I'll have to make a trip to my vinyl vault to verify any of this. Anyone else out there remember them? Robo? AB? theo -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- I have their first two albums on CD. Of the two I like the first one better . Altogether they put out eight albums. John Lawton was a member of the band and he later went on to sing for Uriah Heep. The liner notes for the CD make no mention of a change in bass players from the original member Dieter Horns. IMO the first album rocks. Well defined bass passages, that way cool early '70s organ sound and driving guitar work. My CD was put out by Repertoire Records and makes no mention of Billingsgate. However, my dad has the Billingsgate vinyl from which the following definition of Billingsgate comes: Practiced fluency and variety of profane and obscene abuse, I.E. asskickin' If anyone is interested in the liner notes let me know and I'll type 'em up . -- --- -- - Ed Eichendorf I asked the Master Cylinder what kind of cookies he eats ike at mo.net and I'm never going to tell you why From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Fri Nov 3 04:56:17 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 09:56:17 +0000 Subject: Motorhead BBC1 7pm In-Reply-To: <9511022157.AA00309@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Nov 1995, Paul Mather wrote: > remember what they did. "Louie, Louie?" > > Anyone remember the time Lemmy appeared on French & Saunders (or so I > recall), with a truckload of other notable guitarists (Dave Gilmour, > Gary Moore, Mark Knopfler, etc.)? On trial was some guy who invented > a learn-to-play-the-guitar system that used little dots. The > guitarists were brought on as witnesses for the prosecution, for it > was claimed they were helpless without the little dots to guide them. No, but I do remember seeing Mark Knpfler demonstrating and advocating it on Tommorows World (a science education type prog). Maxine "And as silently steal away" From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Nov 3 08:29:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 08:29:00 -0500 Subject: New tracks Message-ID: Has anyone tried to putotgether a complete set list for any of the new shows now that the new CD is out? I am just curious, awaiting to hear the new one!! Scott P.S. you can now check out my web page: http://www.mgh.harvard.edu/depts/molendo/scott/scott2.htm If you have any comments please let me know.. hellers at a1.mgh.harvard.edu From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 3 08:45:26 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:45:26 +0000 Subject: HW: Alieenn 4/X-files ? In-Reply-To: from "Le Monsieur Damon" at Nov 2, 95 10:11:02 am Message-ID: > Only two instrumentals? Alright! Less ambient crap!... oh, then again, > darn... more Ron crap. Oh well. I'll get used to it... Heck, I got used > to calvert's tone-deafness, didn't I? I have to say that while Ron may not be the world's greatest singer, I really don't find him any worse than Calvert sometimes was, and certainly no worse than Nik is now ;) Cheers, Carl From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Nov 3 08:57:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 08:57:00 EST Subject: HW: covers tape title Message-ID: How about calling the tape set: Hawkwind, we've got you covered? The "?" is not necessarily part of the title, but it could be. Rudy From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Nov 3 12:00:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 09:00:00 PST Subject: One thought at a Time Today Message-ID: BOC Unplugged in Vegas - Shame it didn't happen. Perhaps this was one of those things that was put together at the last minute. Maybe it wasn't totally Rick's fault. I'm willing to call up eMpTV for an unplugged gig. Anybody got a net address for eMpTV? Hawkwind Unplugged - Why not. Certainly if Kiss can do it anyone can. Not flaming Kiss so don't start. HW could probably translate several pieces to accoustic instruments. A little sax, some flutes, strings.... BOC in Cleveland - Tried to confirm this show through Cyberbaron but Netscape ain't cooperating. How far is Washington D.C. from Cleveland? Admin Matter - Ben, is BOC-L mail bouncing back for Robert (Torgo) Sedler? Having a boat load of problems talking to my bud from New York. Brain Surgeons Suprise - Will someone be brave enough to risk their life and spill the suprise, the suspense is real painful. New HW CD - Yeah does anyone have a relase date for this in the US? eMpTV BOC Unplugged Set list - In Thee, Reaper, Perfect Water, Astronomy, ME 262, Serachin' for Celine, Unknown Tounges, with a closer of Blue Oyster Cult. Having a bad hair Day?- Strongly recommend that you listen to Imaginos and Live Chronicles in no particular order. If that dosen't do it then heavy doses of Triumph. Shipley in Atlanta - Any idea which school Frankie teaches? Still looking for Mike to get a tape. If succesful willing to dub you one. Random Off Topic Stuff - Anybody notice a resemblance between New/Alternative Rock and New Wave? Been there, done that ....with a skinny tie on the dance floor.... Heard a song on the radio today sounded like David Bowie, real 60ish type music. Twas awesome. Does Dave have new music on the market? Rock seems to be going back to the 60's style of music. Everyone seems to have an accoustic guitar. Whats next Bell Bottoms? For the record I like Stone Temple Pilots better than Pearl Jam. If the Surgeons were to tour with Soundgarden shouldn't they (Surgeons) be the headliners? I think so. Rik Emmit of Triumph is a fabulous musician. I put him in Buck's class. Five in the Player Recently Best Song of the Night Imaginos - BOC Blue Oyster Cult Live Chronicles - HW Masters of the Universe Child of the Novelty - Mohagany Rush Change of (s)Pace Ten - Y&T She's Gone Stages - Triumph Fight the Good Fight From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Nov 3 09:36:11 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 14:36:11 GMT Subject: HW: Alieenn 4/X-files ? In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:45:26 +0000 Message-ID: > I have to say that while Ron may not be the world's greatest > singer, I really don't find him any worse than Calvert sometimes was, > and certainly no worse than Nik is now ;) Hawkwind: so bad that even their fans don't like them! :-) Dave. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 3 11:22:25 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:22:25 -0500 Subject: One thought at a Time Today Message-ID: A few comments on Adrian's thoughts (I always seem to have an opinion, don't I? :-) ): >BOC Unplugged in Vegas - Shame it didn't happen. Perhaps this was one of those things that was put together at the last minute. Maybe it wasn't totally Rick's fault. I'm willing to call up eMpTV for an unplugged gig. It would've been cool, but my understanding is that BOC wasn't really doing an "unplugged" gig - it was more like they were gonna be at a radio station for an interview and were gonna pick up a few instruments and play. I've got an interview of Buck/Eric on the Howard Stearn show a few years back where they handed Buck a guitar and he played and sang "The Reaper" and "Godzilla". I don't think you could equate that with an MTV unplugged gig. >Hawkwind Unplugged - Why not. Certainly if Kiss can do it anyone can. Sure, anyone can do an unplugged gig - personally though, this whole "unplugged" thing has been WAY overblown. Hey, it's cool for anybody to do some of their music in a different style once in awhile (I heard Billy Joel do a rap version of a Christmas tune in concert a few years ago - how's that for different?), but the whole uniqueness of it is lost if EVERYBODY has to do it just to be recognized. And as far as MTV goes, music is better off without it -- if I want a visual experience with my music, I'll go to a concert. >How far is Washington D.C. from Cleveland? Looks like about 300 miles "as the crow flies" - my guess is you'll be on the road at least 6-8 hours one way >BOC in Cleveland - Tried to confirm this show through Cyberbaron At the moment, it ain't on his web page. While your're at it, ask him to verify the North Adams show -- see if it's really Northampton, MA. >Brain Surgeons Suprise - Will someone be brave enough to risk their life Even if I knew it, I wouldn't divulge - when the Brain Surgeons are ready to inform us, I'm sure they will, so we should respect that. In the mean time, I haven't noticed *Trepanation* or *Eponymous* as one of your "5 in the player" recently . . . eMpTV BOC Unplugged Set list - In Thee, Reaper, Perfect Water, Astronomy, ME 262, Serachin' for Celine, Unknown Tounges, with a closer of Blue Oyster Cult Any song could be done unplugged, and it would probably be cool (at least to hear it that way once) - but a few of the songs mentioned haven't been done live by the band for a few years, so don't hold your breath. >If the Surgeons were to tour with Soundgarden shouldn't they (Surgeons) be the headliners? I think so. Ditto. John From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Fri Nov 3 11:18:22 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:18:22 -0500 Subject: One thought at a Time Today Message-ID: >BOC Unplugged in Vegas - Shame it didn't happen. Perhaps this was one of >those things that was put together at the last minute. Maybe it wasn't >totally Rick's fault. I'm willing to call up eMpTV for an unplugged gig. > Anybody got a net address for eMpTV? > Time for a BOC-L mass mailing?? >Brain Surgeons Suprise - Will someone be brave enough to risk their life and >spill the suprise, the suspense is real painful. There are only a few select people who know this. I am also bursting with anticipation. C'mon Chip - risk ear removal. I'm still hoping for the live CD EP. This will include their version of Vera Gemini. >New HW CD - Yeah does anyone have a relase date for this in the US? Does anybody know a British release date for WotT? Will it be released to coincide with the gig on 13 Dec? >eMpTV BOC Unplugged Set list - In Thee, Reaper, Perfect Water, Astronomy, ME >262, Serachin' for Celine, Unknown Tounges, with a closer of Blue Oyster >Cult. Could add Flaming Telepaths and Nosferatu IMHO. These would be great with strings, esp cello, in full flow. >Heard a song on the radio today sounded like David Bowie, real 60ish type >music. Twas awesome. Does Dave have new music on the market? Bowie has a new album called Outside 1 or something, I've not heard any it tho'. What you heard, could it have been Pulp? >If the Surgeons were to tour with Soundgarden shouldn't they (Surgeons) be >the headliners? I think so. Yep, I don't think you'll find many dissenters on this list! .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM Fri Nov 3 10:39:25 1995 From: reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 10:39:25 EST Subject: One thought at a Time Today Message-ID: Who the Hell wants to hear 'em unplugged anyway? That's something the MTV/Guppy generation dreamed up. I'd just as soon skip that crap. RR From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Nov 3 11:58:27 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:58:27 -0500 Subject: Motorhead BBC1 7pm Message-ID: No Motorhead, no telly... so what the hell are you DOING over there, Carl-- homework? :-) DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Nov 3 11:58:33 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:58:33 -0500 Subject: Paul's ObKyuss Message-ID: >From Elektra today-- a couple of paragaphs worth of press release confirming that, indeed..."Rock Kings of the Desert" (sic) Kyuss Call It Quits... "We broke up due to the usual problems that all bands have after playing together for a long time, " stated Homme. "We're still good buds. I had a beer with Garcia last night."... BTW, the long time in question was 1987-1995.... From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 3 11:59:22 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:59:22 EST Subject: One thought at a Time Today Message-ID: > Who the Hell wants to hear 'em unplugged anyway? That's > something the MTV/Guppy generation dreamed up. I'd just > as soon skip that crap. > > RR RR, Amen to that! Why the big deal about hearing bands do something other than what they do best? BOC is the greatest ELECTRIC rock band of all time. Why cooperate with some made-for-MTV concept. Leave the wooden boxes to those who play them full time... theo From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Nov 3 12:01:17 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:01:17 -0500 Subject: One thought at a Time Today Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-03 10:07:38 EST, you write: >BOC in Cleveland - Tried to confirm this show through Cyberbaron but >Netscape ain't cooperating. How far is Washington D.C. from Cleveland? the trip is 7 hrs and 18 mins, distance 370.4 miles according to the AAA travel planner... >eMpTV BOC Unplugged Set list - In Thee, Reaper, Perfect Water, Astronomy, ME >262, Serachin' for Celine, Unknown Tounges, with a closer of Blue Oyster >Cult. In Thee, Reaper, Astronomy, Perfect Water, Foot, OD'd On Life, Red and The Black, Sun Jester, Redeemed, I Love the Night... >Heard a song on the radio today sounded like David Bowie, real 60ish type >music. Twas awesome. Does Dave have new music on the market? was it that song "I never met a girl like you before"...I forget his name... > >Rock seems to be going back to the 60's style of music. Everyone seems to >have an accoustic guitar. Whats next Bell Bottoms? thank God! I wasn't around for the 60s, but I hope the 70s would comeback! big collared shirts, fat ties, plaid pants the whole beans... > >For the record I like Stone Temple Pilots better than Pearl Jam. I prefer Pearl Jam... >Five in the Player Recently Best Song of the Night > >Imaginos - BOC Blue Oyster Cult >Live Chronicles - HW Masters of the Universe >Child of the Novelty - Mohagany Rush Change of (s)Pace >Ten - Y&T She's Gone >Stages - Triumph Fight the Good Fight Chris Isaak - Heart Shaped World BOC - scopes Soundgarden- Superunknown ABBA- hits Hendrix - Ultimate Experience ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Nov 3 12:15:48 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:15:48 -0500 Subject: Quicklime Q.... Message-ID: perhaps Albert could help me on this one... * What is the story told by Mistress of the Salmon Salt? I asked EB this before, and I was told that it was about a murderess..this falls neatly in place with the "one body live, one body dead" lyric... how does this fit with her being called a "Quicklime Girl"? did she bury the bodies in quicklime and plant stuff on their grave? was this based on a true story or was this a vision of Sandy Pearlman? ROBO From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Nov 3 12:20:25 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:20:25 -0500 Subject: One thought at a Time Today Message-ID: > Who the Hell wants to hear 'em unplugged anyway? That's > something the MTV/Guppy generation dreamed up. I'd just > as soon skip that crap. > > RR Ummm, I think the suggestion of HW unplugged was a joke, dood. A slow acoustic version of Hassan I Sabbha, I can hear it now ;-) Martyn From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Nov 3 14:18:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 11:18:00 PST Subject: One thought at a Time Today- Whoa guys lighten up. Message-ID: >I've got an interview of Buck/Eric on the Howard Stearn show a few years >back where they handed Buck a guitar and he played and sang "The Reaper" >and "Godzilla". The real question is if Buck visited Robo's house would Robo let Buck touch his guitar. :>) >Hawkwind Unplugged - Why not. Certainly if Kiss can do it anyone can. >From John>Sure, anyone can do an unplugged gig - personally though, this whole >"unplugged" thing has been WAY overblown. >From RR>Who the Hell wants to hear 'em unplugged anyway? That's >something the MTV/Guppy generation dreamed up. I'd just >as soon skip that crap. Whoa lighten up guys! The whole post was tongue in cheek. But just for the record I like the acoustical stuff, but thats just me. I like Stone Temple Pilots too so go ahead and shoot. >How far is Washington D.C. from Cleveland? >Looks like about 300 miles "as the crow flies" - my guess is you'll be >on the road at least 6-8 hours one way Lets see 300 % 65 mph = 4.6 now convert this to minutes and ..... >BOC in Cleveland - Tried to confirm this show through Cyberbaron >At the moment, it ain't on his web page. While your're at it, ask him >to verify the North Adams show -- see if it's really Northampton, MA. Will do, need to send a message to Miles about something else. Seemd you guys have been trying to confirm this one for a while. >Brain Surgeons Suprise - Will someone be brave enough to risk their life > In the mean time, I haven't noticed *Trepanation* or *Eponymous* as one of your "5 >in the player" recently . . . Ah how observant, but there's a good reason. Got a tape of Epo so it dosen't count as a cd. Haven't ordered my Trep yet. But Beyond that I've sought of been stuck in a serious Triumph/Frank Marino groove lately. Blame Rob (Torgo) Sedler for the Triumph overdose and Rob(I stole all of you vinyl except BOC cause I ain't that stupid big brother) Brevard for the Marino fixation. Also been grooving to some classic R&B Maze, Confunkshun, EWF but I'm not posting those. >eMpTV BOC Unplugged Set list - In Thee, Reaper, Perfect Water, Astronomy, ME >262, Serachin' for Celine, Unknown Tounges, with a closer of Blue Oyster >Cult >Any song could be done unplugged, and it would probably be cool (at least >to hear it that way once) - but a few of the songs mentioned haven't been >done live by the band for a few years, so don't hold your breath. Never thought I would hear Astronomy or anything from RBN live either. Bummer i didn't get to hear In Thee the way the band has been playing it, but it was still quite good. Used to be a good swimmer so I'll hold it until at least next year. The band should role through this way around October again. Never did find Celine though. >If the Surgeons were to tour with Soundgarden shouldn't they (Surgeons) be the headliners? I think so. John Way Kewl methinks. From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Nov 3 12:31:38 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:31:38 -0500 Subject: One thought at a Time Today Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-03 11:34:29 EST, you write: >Any song could be done unplugged, and it would probably be cool (at least >to hear it that way once) - but a few of the songs mentioned haven't been >done live by the band for a few years, so don't hold your breath. > > yeah, any song can be done unplugged, but how will it sound? I just think some songs don't come across effectively if they were done on the acoustic...imagine Born To Be Wild on acoustic, it probly wouldn't be too wild...although, the song could've originally be written on the acoustic or piano, the electric makes it happen... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Nov 3 12:31:55 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:31:55 -0500 Subject: One thought at a Time Today Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-03 11:42:10 EST, you write: >Who the Hell wants to hear 'em unplugged anyway? That's >something the MTV/Guppy generation dreamed up. I'd just >as soon skip that crap. > >RR I agree to an extent...there are some unpluggeds that are really good...Clapton Unplugged was phenomenal, Nirvana Unplugged had its moments...I didn't think too much of the Kiss Unplugged, the highlight being Ace and Criss joining the stage... I would much rather see a Dylan Unplugged, Springsteen or a Mellencamp Unplugged...BOC would be kewl, because I'm a fan...but there are others who may think the way I thought when I saw the Pretenders Unplugged - big woop...just another one that jumps on the bandwagon, kinda like the cookie-cutter Punk bands...I can't tell the difference between Bush, Presidents of the USA etc etc... ROBO From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Nov 3 13:03:24 1995 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 13:03:24 -0500 Subject: Ron Satanspawn Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-01 17:55:08 EST, you write: >This line of discussion reminds me very much of the discussions we had long >ago after " Hall of the Mountain Grill" tour came around. >I remember such things being said as" What's with this violin?" >and basically I didn't hear too much positive about it at the time. ( I for >one, being a young, long haired metal-head was one of the ones that were >negative towards it.) I remember the tour like yesterday but, as I recall the term 'heavy metal' wasn't coined then. For metal heds the pickins were pretty slim....Led, sab, purple, mountain,who else? regards, Bill Stewart From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 3 13:41:25 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 18:41:25 +0000 Subject: One thought at a Time Today In-Reply-To: <9511031539.AA26701@nj.semi.harris.com> from "Ross Reyes" at Nov 3, 95 10:39:25 am Message-ID: > Who the Hell wants to hear 'em unplugged anyway? That's > something the MTV/Guppy generation dreamed up. I'd just > as soon skip that crap. As Animal said on the Kermit Unplugged album: "Plug in! PLUG IN!" :) Carl ObStupidIdea: Motorhead Unplugged ... talk about defeating the purpose! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 3 14:16:41 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 19:16:41 +0000 Subject: Motorhead BBC1 7pm In-Reply-To: <951103115826_11786467@mail06.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Nov 3, 95 11:58:27 am Message-ID: > No Motorhead, no telly... so what the hell are you DOING over there, Carl-- > homework? :-) Well, I had to miss Motorhead since a musician friend here was having a birthday party which, needless to say, involved vast quantities of curry, Carlsberg SB, and extremely loud noise. So in a way, it was not wholly unlike Motorhead, after all .... I'm pretty sure I've done some homework in the last week, tho ... :) Hey, _and_, I played "666 (The Devil Got Your Mother)" for some people here, and they thought it was brilliant. So I've even done something useful. Alas, I only have that song on a cassette I brought with me--my CDs (or rather those CDs which I consider most vital to the maintenance of sanity--or lack thereof) haven't been shipped over yet, so I couldn't play them anything else ... yet :) Cheers, Carl From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Fri Nov 3 19:36:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 19:36:00 -0500 Subject: Career of X-mas Message-ID: Hi ho all! Well, I'm probably not the only one posting this tonight, but what the heck, here goes nuthin'. Got a letter from Mistah Bouchard today which was an advert for a three tune cassette called "Career of Christmas". It sez that it be updates of 3 of Al's most requested old faves. Does anybody know what these 3 tunes are? Not that I'm waiting to find out before I buy it or anything. Hell, the check was written 5 minutes after I shredded the thing trying to open it with sweaty, shaking hands. (Stuff from Al always sends me into a frenzy!) I'm also FINALLY gonna pick up Eponymous while I'm at it. Torgo is Back! robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Nov 4 02:44:32 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 02:44:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Space Daze book Message-ID: PXR5, Ouch, ten bucks? I don't know why it was priced so high here. I bought it in Clairemont, Ca., not too far from Cleopatra's HQ's. Well, still don't regret it. I'd seen it there a good nine months or so before I finally gave in. Done with it now. Not too pleased w/the way this Thompson guy handled the Hawks after '75. Referred to ASAM and QS&C as "poppy", completely wrote off the '80s as simply "confused", due to a lot of the member changes. Said they were nothing more than a heavy metal band during this time. And worst of all, accused them of being after money with no real passion for the music anymore. As if HW not being as much a part of the underground anymore ruined them. Bullshit, how could he dismiss Live Chronicles and other great sounds from the '80s as garbage? How could the masterful QS&C-PXR5 Calvert era not be touted? I guess the they were expected to keep churning out the same kind of stuff as the early '70s? Whatever... One person's opinion. Anyway, I'd really recommend this book to others on the list who don't have it yet, stuff on the newer bands, too, such as the Orb, Ozric Tentacles, Sky Cries Mary. Also, I learned that Del Dettmar had a solo project called Melodic Energy Commision that released two albums. I don't think I ever read of this on BOC-L. Any one have any comments on these albums? Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Nov 4 02:49:23 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 02:49:23 -0500 Subject: HW: Space Daze book Message-ID: Oh, and something else. The part on Amon Duul II was rather weak, also. Highly praised Phallus Dei and Yeti, but referred to "Carnival In Babylon" as mere "hard rock". (Is that what "C.I.D. In Uruk" and "Hawknose Harlequin" is, hard rock??). No mention of Wolf City, and of course, nothing on the later albums... I understand that space is limited (well, yeah, it's deep, but not that kind of space), but with the much larger coverage of other bands, I think ADII got shafted here... Chuck From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sat Nov 4 03:24:59 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 03:24:59 -0500 Subject: One thought at a Time Today- Whoa guys lighten up. Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-03 12:39:24 EST, you write: >The real question is if Buck visited Robo's house would Robo let Buck touch >his guitar. :>) > > sure I would...I'd even ask him to play it! : P ROBO From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Nov 3 15:37:43 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 15:37:43 -0500 Subject: One thought at a Time Today Message-ID: > From: CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY > Subject: Re: One thought at a Time Today > > >Brain Surgeons Suprise - Will someone be brave enough to risk their life and > >spill the suprise, the suspense is real painful. You will shiver, you will shake You will jump into... ahem. The secret project will remain secret for at least a little while longer. Here's a hint, though: it's going to be a fan club only release, with an emphasis on being affordable to everybody on the list - Al and Deb's little gift to us. Now, with that in mind, imagine what they might cook up. ;-) > There are only a few select people who know this. I am also bursting > with anticipation. C'mon Chip - risk ear removal. > I'm still hoping for the live CD EP. This will include their version > of Vera Gemini. Neither Al nor Deb will admit no specifics with regard to any plans for a live album, despite the fact that I pester them about it at every opportunity. :-) Personally, I think that the Brain Surgeons' live sound is their best sound, but I understand their desire to get a decent body of studio material out first. (note: with the material for a third album already in the demo stages, I'd say they're getting close - 3 studio releases followed by a live one? I'm not privy to their long term plans, but that's my wholly unasked for speculation on the subject). ;-) (Plus, they've already admitted that they're dying to use the album names that we cooked up.) ;-) Steve From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Nov 4 07:42:31 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 12:42:31 +0000 Subject: OFFTOP: acquiring Sundial CDs Message-ID: I have a vague recollection of someone on this list having said they had seen a copy of Sundial's _Return Journey_ or _Other Way Out_ on CD in a shop somewhere ... If *anyone* runs across such an item could the *please* buy it on my behalf and I will gladly pay them back whatever it costs. I've come to understand that the label sold out and don't plan to repress for a while--which could well mean "ever"--and I'd really like to have both of these albums on CD if possible .... Cheers, Carl From henrik.hallgren at ORTV.SCA.SE Sat Nov 4 10:01:14 1995 From: henrik.hallgren at ORTV.SCA.SE (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 16:01:14 +0100 Subject: HW: RE: New tracks. Message-ID: Hi Scott ! Here is the track-listing from the last tour (or at least from the=20 Bochum-gig). I hope it_s correct, I_ve listened to both a tape from the gig and the cd a= t=20 the same time. - Abduction, Death trap, Wastelands, Are you losing your mind, Wave upon wave, Blue skin, Golden void, Sputnik Stan, Robot, Alien ( I am ), Reject=20 your human touch, Xenomorph, Vega, Space sex, Kapal, Lord of light, Silver=20 machine, Hassan I sabha, Space is their Palestine, Hassan I sabha. All the best from Sweden Henrik From PaulR208 at AOL.COM Sat Nov 4 11:13:21 1995 From: PaulR208 at AOL.COM (Paul Rosenblatt) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 11:13:21 -0500 Subject: North Adams vs Northampton Message-ID: Hello all I'm new to this list, been lurking for a few... Time to add my .02 Confirmed BOC Nov 11 Norh Adams not Northampton. The Night Shift Cafe Call 413 663 7646 for tkt info Paul From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sat Nov 4 12:48:44 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 12:48:44 -0500 Subject: Underbelly Updates Message-ID: the "new" Underbelly w/ pics of BOC and stuff...minor updates done tomorrow...check it out http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html ROBO From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Sat Nov 4 12:17:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 12:17:00 -0500 Subject: Unplugged and offline Message-ID: AB sez: >eMpTV BOC Unplugged Set list - In Thee, Reaper, Perfect Water, >Astronomy, ME262, Serachin' for Celine, Unknown Tounges, with a >closer of Blue Oyster Cult. There's been alot of talk about whether BOC should or would do an unplugged set. Now I'm not a big fan of eMpTyV, but I feel that getting QUALITY bands to do unplugged sets is one of the GOOD things about it. I don't think that they should make it their regular thing, but an occasional unplugged gig is kinda fun. For one thing, it shows the musical talent of the band. If a band uses loud, distorted concerts and studio tricks to hide their lack of talent, an unplugged set would be a real "put up or shut up" for them. Any lack of talent would shine through their act in a second. Also,if eMpTyV is going to improve (it can't get worse), getting BOC unplugged would be the first step in the right direction. A couple of other additions to the song list could be: Don't turn your back, Fireworks, Tenderloin, Fallen Angel, Last days of May. I think these songs would sound great unplugged. --------------------------------------------------------------------- OFF SUBJECT: Does anyone out there in Internet land have any knowledge of how the hell the whole e-mail THANG works? When my e-mail went down a few weeks ago it really screwed things up on my end. I had to re-subscribe to several lists and there are a few people who cannot receive my mail now, and I can't receive from them! Why would this happen? Any help would be greatly appreciated! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Nov 4 13:27:31 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 18:27:31 +0000 Subject: Unplugged and offline In-Reply-To: <8B452E1.00010005B8.uuout@nor.mkl.com> from "ROBERT SEDLER" at Nov 4, 95 12:17:00 pm Message-ID: I can't imagine MTV having a BOC unplugged thing. MTV is only interested in currently popular or up-and-coming bands, and BOC's obvious talents aside, they show no signs of fitting either of those descriptions. KISS, to be sure, are hardly selling out arenas but it has been very popular among young bands to claim KISS influences in the last few years--and of course even people who were _never_ KISS fans still remember the band from their iconography. I think BOC is just too obscure ... Cheers, Carl From henrik.hallgren at ORTV.SCA.SE Sat Nov 4 14:01:14 1995 From: henrik.hallgren at ORTV.SCA.SE (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 20:01:14 +0100 Subject: HW: RE: New tracks (Addition) Message-ID: Oops ! Forgot to include "Welcome" after "Silver machine". Bye Henrik From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Sat Nov 4 21:09:27 1995 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 22:09:27 -0400 Subject: OFFTOP: acquiring Sundial CDs Message-ID: > I have a vague recollection of someone on this list having > said they had seen a copy of Sundial's _Return Journey_ or _Other Way > Out_ on CD in a shop somewhere ... I was able to get a copy of _Other Way Out_ on CD from a place called Missing Link, which I found in Goldmine. I ordered it 2 weeks ago and it arrived within days. _Return Journey_ was available on vinyl only, I think. Judging from the ad, they've got an impressive selection of psyche/experimental stuff available for reasonable prices. They apparently ship overseas as well. Missing Link Records 828 Broad Ripple Ave. Indianapolis, IN 46220-1961 317-466-1967 (fax 466-0042) Good luck - Chris chris_baxley at sonymusic.com ObLP: Twinkeyz - Alpha Jerk (finally obtained a copy of this through an auction - wonderfully deranged psychedelic band from Sacramento ca. late 70's. Anyone heard of 'em?) From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Nov 5 03:54:38 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 19:54:38 +1100 Subject: HW: Found Message-ID: Hi Guys & Gals, Today I spotted PXR5 vinyl for $A15, and HOTMG CD for $8. Any takers? (If not I'll put them on my 'Hawkdisk' WWW page) Paul -- Thought for the day: Anatomy (n): something everyone has, but which looks better on a girl. -- Bruce Raeburn. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Nov 5 03:49:34 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 19:49:34 +1100 Subject: HW: A Link ? Message-ID: Gidday All, I was reading the sunday paper today, and came across an article on Australian band, Far From The Madding Crowd. I'm not sure what sort of music they play, but given the Hardian title, and the fact that one of the member's was an opera student, I doubt seriously if it could be considered anything remotely like Space Rock. However, there are links: 1) They are one of only a few Australian bands who have played at the Glastonbury Festival (last year) 2) The band was formed by British ex-pat Harry Williamson, who has worked with Sting, Genesis and Peter Gabriel, toured as a Rolling Stones crew member, and played with "'70s progressive rock outfit Sphynx" 3) This is the one that caught my eye. The sax player's name is Robert Calvert! It may not be much, but hey, what else do we Aussie's have to contribute? Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 08:27:24 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:27:24 GMT Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 In-Reply-To: Rob S's message of Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:07:15 GMT Message-ID: I like this album. I think Ron's voice fits the material well, the production is good (though I thought the production of their other recent albums was good too), everthing fits together well, and despite the fact that there's more rock here than on IITBOTFTBD, they haven't slipped back into a tedious mainstream rock style. The only reservations I have are the two White-Zone style instrumentals, which bored me live and aren't much better on the album. I far prefer the instrumentals on ET and most of IITBOTFTBD. I do agree that the vocals on Sputnik Stan would have been better left as Davey singing alone. But I really like Ron's message from the Alien Federation -- it's fun. No-one here has mentioned Festivals yet - I like this song. The lyrics are basically the poem on the sleeve of Palace Springs, and the music is fast-paced bouncy rock. ObCD: Penguin Cafe Orchestra - "Studio Concert". Dave. From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 08:36:53 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:36:53 GMT Subject: HW: RE: New tracks. In-Reply-To: Henrik Hallgren's message of Sat, 4 Nov 1995 16:01:14 +0100 Message-ID: > Abduction, Death trap, Wastelands, Are you losing your mind, Wave upon wave, Is this last one "Vega" off the new album, instead of "Wave upon wave"? They're a similar style, and I would have expected them to play the new track rather than the old one. Dave. From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Sun Nov 5 08:41:47 1995 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:41:47 GMT Subject: HW: A Link ? Message-ID: In message ID on 6/11/95, BOC/Hawkwind Discussion L wrote: BDL> BDL> 1) They are one of only a few Australian bands who have played at the BDL> Glastonbury Festival (last year) BDL> 2) The band was formed by British ex-pat Harry Williamson, who has BDL> worked with Sting, Genesis and Peter Gabriel, toured as a Rolling BDL> Stones crew member, and played with "'70s progressive rock outfit BDL> Sphynx" BDL> 3) This is the one that caught my eye. The sax player's name is BDL> Robert Calvert! BDL> There's a musician named Harry Williamson playing on the Gong's "Gongmaison" album from 1989: "kitchen synths & ingenius also voices & git box on 1989 & vocal arrangements on 5"; in fact I think he played on most of the Gilly Smith/Mother Gong records; The stars are matter, We're matter, but it doesn't matter _Don Van Vliet_ Via Holy Galactic Imperium ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From jguizar at EPIX.NET Sun Nov 5 12:00:03 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 12:00:03 EST Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:27:24 GMT you wrote: >ObCD: Penguin Cafe Orchestra - "Studio Concert". I just got their "Concert Program" 2CD. A little mellow after listening to Hawkwind and Monster Magnet. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sun Nov 5 13:15:01 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:15:01 -0500 Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 Message-ID: This has probably been mentioned before but I've been away. When is this album going to be released in the US? Martyn From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 13:19:10 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 18:19:10 GMT Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 In-Reply-To: Jerry Guizar's message of Sun, 5 Nov 1995 12:00:03 EST Message-ID: > I just got their "Concert Program" 2CD. That's the one I meant. I got the title wrong. > A little mellow after to Hawkwind and Monster Magnet. Yes. Fun though. ObCD: Nik Turner, "Sphynx". From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Sun Nov 5 13:21:56 1995 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:21:56 -0500 Subject: OFFTOP: more Sundial..... In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Nov 4, 95 12:42:31 pm Message-ID: Carl sayz.... > I have a vague recollection of someone on this list having > said they had seen a copy of Sundial's _Return Journey_ or _Other Way > Out_ on CD in a shop somewhere ... On the topic of Sundial, which started six weeks or so ago....after reading some of these posts, and coming across one of their discs in a used CD shop a few weeks ago ('Reflector'), I decided to try them out. Anyway, the music is pretty decent, but not a must have, IMHO. Other albums may be more exciting....I remember Return Journey being touted as their best, I think. But the real reason I'm posting is that their sound seems very similar to another band that I quite liked....'Levitation'. And yes, I took a chance on buying their debut album partly because of the band's name, and also the cover made it look like something I might like. The band featured (past tense because I think they are now defunct) Terry Bickers, who came from 'House of Love' (a band I've *never* heard a single track by). Their first album, 'Coterie' is sort of Hawkwindish in that some of the tracks are live, and some are studio recordings. But the writing is real strong, and there's a psychedelic touch to some of it. And as I said, there is a strong resemblance to Sundial's style as well, so I'd recommend 'Coterie' to Sundial fans. Levitation's follow-up, called 'Need for Not', should've just been called 'Not', as it was a huge disappointment, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Keith H. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Nov 5 13:25:29 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 18:25:29 +0000 Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 In-Reply-To: <9511051815.AA13755@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Nov 5, 95 01:15:01 pm Message-ID: > This has probably been mentioned before but I've been away. > When is this album going to be released in the US? I heard speculation that it would be _perhaps_ by Yule if Doug Smith was on the ball and got all the material to Griffin and they hustled it right on out ... but I think this was just random musing from the list ... Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Nov 5 13:46:49 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 18:46:49 +0000 Subject: OFFTOP: more Sundial..... In-Reply-To: <199511051821.NAA07527@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith A Henderson" at Nov 5, 95 01:21:56 pm Message-ID: > On the topic of Sundial, which started six weeks or so ago....after reading > some of these posts, and coming across one of their discs in a used CD shop a > few weeks ago ('Reflector'), I decided to try them out. Anyway, the music > is pretty decent, but not a must have, IMHO. Other albums may be more > exciting....I remember Return Journey being touted as their best, I think. _Reflector_, while not actually *bad*, is probably their weakest release. It was the middle of a rather "mainstream pop" period for them. _Libertine_ suffers from some of this, but is actually a pretty damn cool album. The new one _Acid Yantra_ is a return to form for Sundial, and while not reaching the chaotic excesses of _Return Journey_, does more or less rule :) _Other Way Out_ is not dissimilar to _Return Journey_. Needless to say, I have yet to physically meet a person in the UK who has heard of this band. > But the real reason I'm posting is that their sound seems very similar to > another band that I quite liked....'Levitation'. And yes, I took a chance on > buying their debut album partly because of the band's name, and also the cover > made it look like something I might like. The band featured (past tense > because I think they are now defunct) Terry Bickers, who came from 'House of > Love' (a band I've *never* heard a single track by). Their first album, > 'Coterie' is sort of Hawkwindish in that some of the tracks are live, and some > are studio recordings. But the writing is real strong, and there's a > psychedelic touch to some of it. And as I said, there is a strong resemblance > to Sundial's style as well, so I'd recommend 'Coterie' to Sundial fans. > Levitation's follow-up, called 'Need for Not', should've just been called > 'Not', as it was a huge disappointment, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Seems worth checking out--anyone else familiar with this? Another Sundialish band I understand are 'Czar', some late-70s fuzzed out, flanged up, mellotroning British stoners :) though I haven't actually heard their (apparently only) album. It's supposed to be pretty cool. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Nov 5 13:49:53 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 18:49:53 +0000 Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 In-Reply-To: <7547.9511051327@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Nov 5, 95 01:27:24 pm Message-ID: > I do agree that the vocals on Sputnik Stan would have been better left > as Davey singing alone. But I really like Ron's message from the Alien > Federation -- it's fun. I have no problem with most of Ron's vocals (excepting Sputnik Stan)--he's not a fab singer, but no one in Hawkwind is and I didn't really expect anything else. And in other regards, if it is Ron who conciously or unconciously influenced the stronger "rock" sound on _Alien 4_ then I consider him forgiven for everything ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Nov 5 13:55:43 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 18:55:43 +0000 Subject: Fwd: can't post to newsgroup anymore In-Reply-To: <951019151535_48828550@mail06.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Oct 19, 95 03:15:37 pm Message-ID: > Here's some news from Tania, who's unfortunately no longer "authorized" to > watch Carl attempting to wend his way from Cambridge to Witherspoon... :-) > We'll have to keep her posted... > (Are ya reading this, Carl?) :-) !!! :P :) Cheers, Carl ObOb: (now was that content-free, or what?! ;) From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Sun Nov 5 15:00:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 20:00:00 GMT Subject: BRAIN: Career of Christmas Message-ID: I take it this isn't a secret any more? :) If any UK list members want to share IMO costs, I'll be sending Al my order on Tuesday - e-mail me privately if you want me to order you a copy, or indeed any other Brain Surgeons paraphenalia (tattoos, magnets, etc). - Andy (emphyrio at cix.compulink.co.uk) From jguizar at EPIX.NET Sun Nov 5 15:52:02 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:52:02 EST Subject: OFFTOP: more Sundial..... Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Nov 1995 18:46:49 +0000 Carl wrote: > _Reflector_, while not actually *bad*, is probably their weakest >release. It was the middle of a rather "mainstream pop" period for them. >_Libertine_ suffers from some of this, but is actually a pretty damn cool >album. The new one _Acid Yantra_ is a return to form for Sundial, and >while not reaching the chaotic excesses of _Return Journey_, does more or >less rule :) _Acid Yantra_ is the new one? I saw that listed at either CDNow or CD Connection. I'll have to see what I ordered now. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From jguizar at EPIX.NET Sun Nov 5 15:59:53 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 15:59:53 EST Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Nov 1995 18:19:10 GMT Dave wrote: >> I just got their "Concert Program" 2CD. > >That's the one I meant. I got the title wrong. > >> A little mellow after to Hawkwind and Monster Magnet. > >Yes. Fun though. I kind of like it. I'm not sure where it fits with the ones I recently ordered tho. Stereolab, KMFDM, David Torn, Aphex Twin, Melting Euphoria, System 7, Astralasia, Delerium, Faust, Lords of Acid, Elektric Musik, The Orb, and Vibraphonic (Einstuerzende Neubauten wasn't in stock). Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From jguizar at EPIX.NET Sun Nov 5 18:38:17 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 18:38:17 EST Subject: OFFTOP: more Sundial..... Message-ID: >On Sun, 5 Nov 1995 18:46:49 +0000 Carl wrote: > >> _Reflector_, while not actually *bad*, is probably their weakest >>release. It was the middle of a rather "mainstream pop" period for them. >>_Libertine_ suffers from some of this, but is actually a pretty damn cool >>album. The new one _Acid Yantra_ is a return to form for Sundial, and >>while not reaching the chaotic excesses of _Return Journey_, does more or >>less rule :) > > _Acid Yantra_ is the new one? I saw that listed at either CDNow or >CD Connection. I'll have to see what I ordered now. Just to followup on myself - it was the _Reflector_ CD I ordered. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sun Nov 5 22:46:34 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 5 Nov 1995 22:46:34 -0500 Subject: Motorhead BBC1 7pm Message-ID: Great... well, we have a special Xmas gift pack offer, so your new friends may be able to get the whole deal... you'll be getting a mailing... but it's basically a onetime only, pre Xmas gift pack sale... the forthcoming Career of Christmas cassette, plus Trepanation and Eponymous...all for $25 (includes 3. S&H)--$2 more for overseas... maybe you can contact some of the UK list members and if you want to pay us in US funds (or arrange to have Tania or your sister do so) it will save a lot on money orders (we insists upon them cause otherwise =we= end up spending a fortune just to cash the checks). I'd like to be able to ship 'em all over to you for $25 each, but the first class air is just too prohibitive... how about if you can get at least 4 other people, and pay in US funds, I'll send you yours at $25 and the following four or however many for $27...anyway, just trying to work out a reasonable way for make it as available to everyone as possible... Andy Gilham is interested in ordering, so maybe you should contact him.. -DF From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon Nov 6 15:09:30 1995 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:09:30 EST Subject: HW: A Link ? In-Reply-To: ; from "Paul G Ward" at Nov 5, 95 07:49:34 pm Message-ID: Hi Paul > > Gidday All, > > I was reading the sunday paper today, and came across an article on > Australian band, Far From The Madding Crowd. I'm not sure what sort > of music they play, but given the Hardian title, and the fact that > one of the member's was an opera student, I doubt seriously if it > could be considered anything remotely like Space Rock. > > However, there are links: > > 1) They are one of only a few Australian bands who have played at the > Glastonbury Festival (last year) > 2) The band was formed by British ex-pat Harry Williamson, who has > worked with Sting, Genesis and Peter Gabriel, toured as a Rolling > Stones crew member, and played with "'70s progressive rock outfit > Sphynx" HW also played in Mother Gong with Gilli Smyth,who were at glastonbury in 1981 ,and he played in Gong Maison with Daevid Allen. There is also mention of Harry Williamson and Harvey Bainbridge collaboration with a score to "tarka the Otter" ? mentioned in one of the gong albums,but dont know if this was ever released. > 3) This is the one that caught my eye. The sax player's name is > Robert Calvert! This guy has been causing confusion for years,with OUR Robert Calvert,I think Hawkfan 2 mentions about the imposter,who played with Catapilla. I saw the ad as well ,and thought about going,but from the picture shown it looked like there was an overgrown lute,so will be giving it amiss. On the other hand Harry Williamson is a sort of gong relative and since DAevid Allen used to live in Melbourne(I think he lives in the uk now),I wondered whether they might play some gong stuff. regards Marty p.s Sorry for lovers of the lute,but it ain't me ,now give me an axe and a vcs3 and your talkin' From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Mon Nov 6 17:11:21 1995 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 12:11:21 -1000 Subject: Quote by Patti Smith? Message-ID: We don't have all Patti's stuff, but I have been able to check RE, Horses, Wave and Easter. None of them mention the BOC road crew as such. The only name I recognised was Allen Lanier, who gets appearance and writing credits. >I believe (tho' I can't check because I haven't got a copy) that on >the back cover of "Radio Ethiopia" it says thanks to Blue Oyster Cult's >road crew, who perform the backing vocals on one track. If this is >so, it is an obvious artefact for any BOC completist. Should it be or >is it in the FAQ? >Perhaps Peter's wife has a copy and the exact wording can be posted. > >.......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com > > ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Mon Nov 6 04:43:56 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 09:43:56 +0000 Subject: HW: A Link ? In-Reply-To: <9511060409.AA04413@mcegate.fujitsu.com.au> Message-ID: > > HW also played in Mother Gong with Gilli Smyth,who were at glastonbury in > 1981 ,and he played in Gong Maison with Daevid Allen. Talking of which - Daevid Allen played here a couple of weeks ago - a more up tempo gig accompanied by (apparently) one of the original members of Gong - Graeme (?) on violin - this being in comparison to the last tour where he was unsupported. Maxine From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 05:11:12 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:11:12 GMT Subject: HW: A Link ? In-Reply-To: Martyn Lawrence's message of Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:09:30 EST Message-ID: > 1) They are one of only a few Australian bands who have played at the > Glastonbury Festival (last year) There's no real link with Hawkwind there. The Glastonbury festival is a very corporate affair these days. Dave. From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 6 05:10:21 1995 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:10:21 +0000 Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 Message-ID: >Dave. >No-one here has mentioned Festivals yet - I like this song. The lyrics >are basically the poem on the sleeve of Palace Springs, and the music is >fast-paced bouncy rock. This album is great, Ron's vocals are good on all tracks but Beam Me up. I like his voice, he's better for the band than Brigdette Wishhart. I love the opening track Abduction and the way it leads into Alien. Other strong tracks are Xenomorph I love the bass in this, Sputnik Stan -Brilliant, Kapal and Festivals. Great Album long worth the wait. Derrick... --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. --------------------------------------------- From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Mon Nov 6 07:17:36 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 07:17:36 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Surgeon's Suprise / Career of Christmas Message-ID: Well what can I say, my Halloween psychic perdiction was: >> It's a four track live Surgeons EP recorded at the >> last few gigs, limited edition, available free by mail order as a stop-gap, >> seeings how after Chip's comments we're salavating at the thought of the >> next full CD... Well, OK, so it's a tape and there's 3 tracks. Apart from that I'm pretty pleased with meself. AND Mr Hart's ears are still on the side of his head. Perhaps they will melt when he hears it. >Mr Hart: >> Cough, cough, um, er, I never said ANYTHING like that, did I? >> No sir, cough. I'm not going to get in trouble, ahem! .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 05:59:46 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:59:46 +0000 Subject: One thought at a Time Today In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 03 Nov 1995 15:37:43 EST." <199511032037.PAA18544@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: > The secret project will remain secret for at least a little while longer. > Here's a hint, though: it's going to be a fan club only release, with an > emphasis on being affordable to everybody on the list - Al and Deb's > little gift to us. Now, with that in mind, imagine what they might cook > up. ;-) Well, its hardly a secret to overseas fans I guess, since I got my order form on saturday morning. :-) And yes Al/Deb, I'll have a copy, soon as I figure a way round the pesky 7 quid or so for an IMO. Tim ObCD: Blues Traveler - "Save His Soul" From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 06:08:38 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 11:08:38 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: Career of Christmas In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 05 Nov 1995 20:00:00 GMT." Message-ID: Career of Christmas - CoC You sure this isn't an obscure HP Lovecraft reference Al ? ;) Cheers, Tim From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Mon Nov 6 00:49:20 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 00:49:20 -0500 Subject: OFFTOP: acquiring Sundial CDs Message-ID: Glenn, Well, if you're unhealthy, wouldn't you be forced to cut back on work hours?? You can't work if you're sick. But, you know, as long as you cut something out. I'm sure one class will be a huge difference. So, you've heard most of the AC/DC, eh? Well, at least you didn't have 'em on tape, right? Sorry I couldn't fit anything from Fly; I would have (probably "Send For the Man"), but like I said, others just came first and took precedence... Chuck From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Mon Nov 6 08:43:25 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 08:43:25 EST Subject: BOC Unplugged Message-ID: --I'm with RR & theo on this one. Heavy metal bands are not meant to be "unplugged." I saw KISS last night and thought they sucked. Its too bad, because they were one of the first bands I really liked (even if all their songs were in the key of C :-) ) I would hate to see BOC do an "unplugged" gig and turn off potential new fans. Too risky, IMO. -Dr. Bob rkohl at state.de.us From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Mon Nov 6 08:54:30 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 08:54:30 -0500 Subject: One thought.... Message-ID: >> The secret project will remain secret for at least a little while longer. >> Here's a hint, though: it's going to be a fan club only release, with an >> emphasis on being affordable to everybody on the list - Al and Deb's >> little gift to us. Now, with that in mind, imagine what they might cook >> up. ;-) >Well, its hardly a secret to overseas fans I guess, since I got my order form >on saturday morning. :-) >And yes Al/Deb, I'll have a copy, soon as I figure a way round the pesky 7 >quid or so for an IMO. Tim, get in touch with Andy at: emphyrio at cix.compulink.co.uk He said he is willing to put together a "bulk" order. I'm not sure what the details are yet as he hasn't got back to me yet. If we can get enough people (eg 7) it will only cost us a quid each for the IMO. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 08:58:42 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:58:42 +0000 Subject: One thought at a Time Today In-Reply-To: <26481.9511061059@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Nov 6, 95 10:59:46 am Message-ID: > > > The secret project will remain secret for at least a little while longer. > > Here's a hint, though: it's going to be a fan club only release, with an > > emphasis on being affordable to everybody on the list - Al and Deb's > > little gift to us. Now, with that in mind, imagine what they might cook > > up. ;-) > > Well, its hardly a secret to overseas fans I guess, since I got my order form > on saturday morning. :-) > > And yes Al/Deb, I'll have a copy, soon as I figure a way round the pesky 7 > quid or so for an IMO. > > Tim, If you are sending money off to Al & Deb, do you fancy getting me a copy of the two albums and the tape and I'll pay you back. It might reduce the cost of the IMO a bit. Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Mon Nov 6 09:01:02 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:01:02 +0000 Subject: HW: A Link ? -Reply Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Talking of which - Daevid Allen played here a couple of weeks ago - a more up tempo gig accompanied by (apparently) one of the original members of Gong - Graeme (?) on violin - this being in comparison to the last tour where he was unsupported. Maxine <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< hey, cool, but, WAS IT ANY GOOD? also his new cd (forget the title) is sposed tobe pretty stunning, any one heard it? From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Nov 6 11:26:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 08:26:00 PST Subject: OffTopic - Hoey Message-ID: >Was someone looking for info on upcoming releases from Gary Hoey? >There is a full-page ad in this month's 'Guitar World' shilling both >a christmas disc, 'Ho Ho Hoey' and a 'regular' disc, simply entitled >'Gary Hoey.' Wish the Oyster Boys would put out albums with Gary's >frequency! >ted That twas me looking for the great guitarist new music. Been doing some research on it. Best Buy refuses to carry Ho Ho Hoey which is indeed a Christmas cd. Saw it in Sam Goody for $17.00 but thats too much for seasonal music. Gary Hoey, Gary Hoey is actually his very first album (prior to Animal Insticnts and Endless Summer II) being re-released by Surfdog records. Surfdog says its available through mail order and I have yet to find a store carrying it. That is the one I'm salivating for. Anybody got a stamp? AB From chip at PCC.COM Mon Nov 6 10:04:46 1995 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:04:46 -0500 Subject: One thought at a Time Today Message-ID: Now that the cat is out of the bag about "Career of Christmas" I can breathe easily. Any BOC/BRAIN fan who doesn't get this is a bonehead. Speaking of which: Adrian Brevard: > Ah how observant, but there's a good reason. Got a tape of Epo so it dosen't > count as a cd. Haven't ordered my Trep yet. Um, doesn't this strike you that it's a bit uncool to announce that you've got a COPY of a Brain Surgeons CD in front of those people whose livelihood depends on it? Why haven't you ordered _Trepanation_ yet? BTW, in the final Charles Bukowski work, _Pulp_, the opening chapters (well, what I've read so far), have to do with tracking down Celine. Yes, THAT Celine. In other words, he's "Searching for Celine." -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8177 From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Nov 6 11:54:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 08:54:00 PST Subject: One thought at a Time Today 11/6/95 Message-ID: Real diversity of thinking on this line, thats wehy I love it so much. Todays thoughts Unplugged vs. plugged - >yeah, any song can be done unplugged, but how will it sound? I just think >some songs don't come across effectively if they were done on the >acoustic...imagine Born To Be Wild on acoustic, it probly wouldn't be too >wild...although, the song could've originally be written on the acoustic or >piano, the electric makes it happen... >ROBO > Who the Hell wants to hear 'em unplugged anyway? That's > something the MTV/Guppy generation dreamed up. I'd just > as soon skip that crap. >> RR >Amen to that! Why the big deal about hearing bands do something >other than what they do best? BOC is the greatest ELECTRIC rock band >of all time. Why cooperate with some made-for-MTV concept. Leave >the wooden boxes to those who play them full time... >theo >I'm with RR & theo on this one. Heavy metal bands are not meant to be >"unplugged." I saw KISS last night and thought they sucked. Its too bad, >because they were one of the first bands I really liked (even if all their >songs were in the key of C :-) ) >I would hate to see BOC do an "unplugged" gig and turn off potential new >fans. Too risky, IMO. >Dr. Bob > I can't imagine MTV having a BOC unplugged thing. MTV is >only interested in currently popular or up-and-coming bands, and >BOC's obvious talents aside, they show no signs of fitting either >of those descriptions. KISS, to be sure, are hardly selling out arenas but it has >been very popular among young bands to claim KISS influences in the >last few years--and of course even people who were _never_ KISS fans >still remember the band from their iconography. I think BOC is just >too obscure ... >Carl Well obviously none of these guys like the accoustic thing. >There's been alot of talk about whether BOC should or would do an >unplugged set. Now I'm not a big fan of eMpTyV, but I feel that >getting QUALITY bands to do unplugged sets is one of the GOOD things >about it. I don't think that they should make it their regular thing, >but an occasional unplugged gig is kinda fun. For one thing, it shows >the musical talent of the band. If a band uses loud, distorted >concerts and studio tricks to hide their lack of talent, an unplugged >set would be a real "put up or shut up" for them. Any lack of talent >would shine through their act in a second. Also,if eMpTyV is going to >improve (it can't get worse), getting BOC unplugged would be the first >step in the right direction. I'll leave this caller anonymous so that he is not lumped in the same category as myself. I would agree with this writer, a great song will still be a great song no matter how its played or what its played on. The key is it takes real talent to sit their and play a familiar song to an audience without toys. I don't think that anywoine on this list woudl dare suggest Kiss has more talent than BOC. I thought Nirvana sucked until I heard their unplugged set. Songs I hated suddenly sounded ok to me. Still not a big fan of theirs but have a greater appreciation of their music. BOC could do this easily and I think all you doubters would really enjoy the Oyster boys palying an entire set acoustically. Kiss was fair to mediocre in their performance, though I thought they did a good job with Domino. BOC In Cleveland - No more directions please, Cleveland is a bit too far to see BOC for me. Thanks anyway. Robo's guitar - Glad to see Robo would let Buck play his guitar, chalk up one for being politically correct. :>). Bowie song - Yeah I think thats the one, that line sounds familiar. HW - Unplugged - Yeah I was kidding on this one, but MTV has put on some pretty wierd artist. Can't figure out which one I prefer most Subhuman (OYFOOYK, ST) or Blue Oyster Cult (Imaginos). Al in a video on MTV? That would be neat. Five in the Player - Clarification John S. asked about the Brain Surgeons not being in the palyer, my response was I have EPO on tape so id didn't count. I do include tapes in the player but on that day it was all cd's. Thanks for the reminder about the Surgeons though John it has been awhile. This may seem strange to some (o.k. everbody) but I play music based on how I feel and see no problem listening to the same groups music over several days. New top five songs of the day - Battle Cry - Triumph Child of the Novelty - Mahogany Rush Take Me Away - BOC Moonglum (Friend Without a Cause) - HW Remeber Me - Ace Frehely Bye for now and to all you plug it up type guys feel free to flame I'm wearing abestos today. AB From FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG Mon Nov 6 10:23:14 1995 From: FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG (DAVID FURST) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 09:23:14 CST Subject: Bowie Song Message-ID: The tune with the line to the effect of _never met a girl like you before_ is NOT Bowie! It's some guy by the name of Lloyd Cole (I believe) - The vid is running on eMpTyV. Again it's NOT Bowie - just sounds ALOT like Bowie. Kinda like Soybean Bowie. Mr. Boy From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Mon Nov 6 10:34:04 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:34:04 EST Subject: One thought at a Time Today 11/6/95 Message-ID: Speaking of unplugged on MTV... Back in '92 my local newspaper did a review of the Dead Milkmen album "Soul Rotation", in it, the author said that the Milkmen were asked to do an unplugged session. The only problem was that they showed up with unplugged electric instruments! The result was almost total silence. Needless to say, this was never aired. If BOC does unplugged for MTV, they should be creative. Not in the Dead Milkmen sense (because I assume they would want people to see it), but maybe if they played a harp, sitar, trumpet or something of that nature. Maybe if they gave Vera Gemini an old Chicago sound with horns, stand up bass etc. Draw in some jazz fans! I always thought that Al was a jazz-funk type drummer. I mean, check out the groove on Godzilla. Just a thought. Brian ObGuest Apperance> Zamphir, master of the pan flute From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Nov 6 12:38:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 09:38:00 PST Subject: Why no Trep Yet Message-ID: Adrian Brevard: > Ah how observant, but there's a good reason. Got a tape of Epo so it dosen't > count as a cd. Haven't ordered my Trep yet. >Um, doesn't this strike you that it's a bit uncool to announce >that you've got a COPY of a Brain Surgeons CD in front of those >people whose livelihood depends on it? > Why haven't you ordered _Trepanation_ yet? >Chip Hart Hmm, not sure Al & Deb's livelihood depends solely on moi buying a copy of Trepanation, however I am probably the only one on the list that does not have Trepanation yet. One reason why is that I have a very limited music budget, feel its more important to feed the five who depend on daddy than to blow the whole wad at Best Buy (which I could easily do). Yeah it seems I always have new music at my disposal but understand this, most tapes I buy cost $.99; my entire cd collection is numbers less than 40 and most of those are from the cutout bin costing anywhere from $1.99 to $5.99. Further I have a list of music I wish to procure which runs roughly full price thus I plan to get a little of this and a little of that when the budget allows. Trepanation is on that list and will be coming up soon, however for my own personal reasons it like some other stuff I want to get will be purchased in turn. Hey I apologize to Al & Deb for not having oredered Trep. but realistically its my loss more than theirs because it means my miniscule music collection is absent a great work. Just my $.02 Chip. AB From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 6 10:56:13 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:56:13 -0500 Subject: Watt single w/D&S out yet? Message-ID: According to what Deb forwarded to us from Mike Watt, the "E-Ticket Ride" single with "Dominance and Submission" (co-starring the famous Brothers Bouchard) should have been released by now. Has anyone seen it yet? As I previously mentioned, I managed to find an import CD single which had this track, and it smokes -- if you see this single available, by all means check it out! John From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 10:50:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:50:00 GMT Subject: Bowie Song Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <849603 at BoysTown.ORG> > The tune with the line to the effect of _never met a girl like you > before_ is > NOT Bowie! It's some guy by the name of Lloyd Cole (I believe) - The > vid is > running on eMpTyV. Again it's NOT Bowie - just sounds ALOT like Bowie. > Kinda > like Soybean Bowie. > > Mr. Boy No, it's Edwyn Collins, ex-Orange Juice. I guess to an American ear it does sound like Bowie :) - Andy ObCD: Angelo Badalamenti - _Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me: OST_ From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Nov 6 12:59:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 09:59:00 PST Subject: Bowie Song Message-ID: Total bummer. Sure did sound like him over the radio though. AB The tune with the line to the effect of _never met a girl like you before_ is NOT Bowie! It's some guy by the name of Lloyd Cole (I believe) - The vid is running on eMpTyV. Again it's NOT Bowie - just sounds ALOT like Bowie. Kinda like Soybean Bowie. Mr. Boy From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Nov 6 12:59:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 09:59:00 PST Subject: One thought at a Time Today 11/6/95 Message-ID: > If BOC does unplugged for MTV, they should be creative. Not in >the Dead Milkmen sense (because I assume they would want people to see it), >but maybe if they played a harp, sitar, trumpet or something of that nature. >Maybe if they gave Vera Gemini an old Chicago sound with horns, stand up bass >etc. This appeals to me also. Vera would be great with some sax. >Draw in some jazz fans! I always thought that Al was a jazz-funk type >drummer. I mean, check out the groove on Godzilla. Yeah I think the whole band has a little bit of Jazz in their blood. Like dig the sax in Monsters man. I could also see Al sitting in with Herbie Hancock, Ron Carter and the like for some accoustic based jams in a small dimly lit smoky club. AB Brian ObGuest Apperance> Zamphir, master of the pan flute From FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG Mon Nov 6 11:12:39 1995 From: FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG (DAVID FURST) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:12:39 CST Subject: Bowie Song Message-ID: Edwynn Collins, yeah, that's what I really meant - I need more coffee - obviously. Well, at least it caused the correct answer to emerge. Mr. Boy From reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM Mon Nov 6 11:18:57 1995 From: reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 11:18:57 EST Subject: Why no Trep Yet Message-ID: AB, Here's a tip... The Sunday paper has Columbia House advertisements every week. You can easily scam 10 CD's for a penny. From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Mon Nov 6 11:22:09 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:22:09 -0600 Subject: off topic-uk money? In-Reply-To: <26481.9511061059@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: > And yes Al/Deb, I'll have a copy, soon as I figure a way round the pesky 7 > quid or so for an IMO. > > > Tim > > ObCD: Blues Traveler - "Save His Soul" > alright now i may be the only one not to know but how much is a quid? more than a pound? and what the hell is a pence? your monetary sysyem/slang is confusing to this alabama boy. please can someone explain -this has been bothering me for a while- thanks mike psyche From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 10:46:28 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:46:28 +0000 Subject: Brain Surgery & Re: Bowie Song In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 06 Nov 1995 09:23:14 CST." <849603@BoysTown.ORG> Message-ID: > The tune with the line to the effect of _never met a girl like you before_ is > NOT Bowie! It's some guy by the name of Lloyd Cole (I believe) - The vid is > running on eMpTyV. Again it's NOT Bowie - just sounds ALOT like Bowie. Kinda > like Soybean Bowie. Its by Edywn (?) Collins. The title is I believe. Good song, but it has been rather done to death over here. jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK said: > > Tim, > If you are sending money off to Al & Deb, do you fancy getting me a > copy of the two albums and the tape and I'll pay you back. It might > reduce the cost of the IMO a bit. > Jason Jason - email Andy G. He looks to becoming the uk boc-l brain surgery loadmaster for this deal. Tim From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Mon Nov 6 11:30:45 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:30:45 -0600 Subject: kiss In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Nov 1995, Robert Kohl wrote: > --I'm with RR & theo on this one. Heavy metal bands are not meant to be > "unplugged." I saw KISS last night and thought they sucked. Its too bad, > because they were one of the first bands I really liked (even if all their > songs were in the key of C :-) ) > > I would hate to see BOC do an "unplugged" gig and turn off potential new > fans. Too risky, IMO. > > -Dr. Bob > rkohl at state.de.us > if you like the old kiss(make-up,blood, and fireballs) and live in the southern US. then go see strutter -the kiss cover band. they rock -all the great stuff carefully recreated for your hedonistic pleasure!! OB concert in Auburn Al last friday=Allman Brothers $10 student ticket Yahooooo!!!!JAM OUT their light show has improved a lot too From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 11:33:37 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:33:37 GMT Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 In-Reply-To: Dave Berry's message of Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:27:24 GMT Message-ID: I said: > I far prefer the instrumentals on ET and most of IITBOTFTBD. I take this back - Journey and Kapel aren't that bad. And while there are better instrumentals on ET and IITBOTFTBD (such as Blue Shift and Tibet Is Not China), those albums have some fairly nondescript instrumentals too. Derrick said: > Great album worth the long wait. Yes, except that I would have liked to have heard it before the tour. I guess I'll just have to go and see them again ... Dave. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Nov 6 11:43:08 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 11:43:08 -0500 Subject: off topic-uk money? Message-ID: One pound = One quid = about $1.5 One hundred pence = one pound One pence = one penny = one pee Lets not get into tanners, bobs, Guineas, farthings or crowns :-) Martyn From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 12:08:22 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 17:08:22 +0000 Subject: off topic-uk money? In-Reply-To: from "Michael P Mccollum" at Nov 6, 95 10:22:09 am Message-ID: > alright now i may be the only one not to know but how much is a quid? > more than a pound? and what the hell is a pence? your monetary sysyem/slang > is confusing to this alabama boy. 1 pound = 1 quid (cf. dollars = bucks) 1 penny = 1/100 pound (ie. 100 pence or penies to the pound) (again, cf. 1 penny = 1/100 dollar) FYI: other denominations: 1p, 2p, 5p, 10p, 20p, 50p and 1 pound as coins 5 pounds ("a fiver"), 10 pounds ("a tenner"), 20 pounds, 50 pounds as notes. There is also a 2 pound coin knocking around, but you don't come across it very often. I don't think we have 100 pound notes; if we do, they are pretty rare. 50 pound notes are not that common, 20 pound notes much more common, but still not to the extent that 5 and 10 pound notes drive the paper economy (well, from my perspective anyway!) The other big difference you would find with UK currency is that our bank notes all look very different to each other: slightly different sizes, different colours (fivers are light green, tenners are an orangy brown and twenty quid notes are a sort of maroon purple). The designs are also different (although they all have queenies head - big deal!). The difference in colour is a major plus compared with your greenback IMO. The notes also have lots of hacky things like watermarks, metal strips and special paper to make them less forgeable. Current exchange rate ~ 1 pound = $1.58 ... and here endeth today's lesson in UK currency. Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Nov 6 14:10:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 11:10:00 PST Subject: Why no Trep Yet Message-ID: Yeah right the first ten Michael Bolton CD's for a penny and a commitment to buy overpriced similar garbage for the next year or so. No thanks, my wife already made that mistake. Fortunattely are musical taste are nothing alike (with a few exceptions). She has gotten some Anita Baker and few other nice items from her club membership but when I showed her how much she could have saved by going to stores instead she almost hurled. Therefore this has nothing to do with my spending on cd's, we took old school wedding vows "Her money is her money and my money is her money...." :>). AB, Here's a tip... The Sunday paper has Columbia House advertisements every week. You can easily scam 10 CD's for a penny. From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Mon Nov 6 09:30:15 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:30:15 +0000 Subject: lag? Message-ID: is it just me or is there some kind of arbitrary lag happening? i just got the hawk stuff for sale on the net post dated 26th Oct maybe we should switch to snail mail? ObTrack: Mystical Belief - Astralasia From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 6 05:54:49 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:54:49 GMT Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 In-Reply-To: Derrick Chilton's message of Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:10:21 +0000 Message-ID: Derrick Chilton writes: > This album is great, Ron's vocals are good on all tracks but Beam Me up. I > like his voice, he's better for the band than Brigdette Wishhart. But not nearly as cute ;-) > Derrick... FoFP From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 12:27:21 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 17:27:21 GMT Subject: off topic-uk money? In-Reply-To: Michael P Mccollum's message of Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:22:09 -0600 Message-ID: > alright now i may be the only one not to know but how much is a quid? Ah - you're running into the problem that people still use pre-decimal units as slang. A quid used to be 20 florins, which translates into new money as #2.50. 16 quids made 1 foal, a unit which nobody has used for centuries, but which was alledgedly the cost of a young horse in the reign of Henry II. 12 foals made a pony, i.e. #480, and this has come into slang use for #500. Other, less common, terms are a guinea, which was a pound and a shilling, a shilling being 1/20 of a pound, a sovereign, which was 8 pounds and 8 shillings, and half-a-crown, which was of course half a sovereign. There used to be a unit called the bishop, but this was banned in the mid-1800s. > and what the hell is a pence? 1/100 of a pound, of course. (Pre-decimalisation it was 1/240 of a pound, there being 12 pennies to the shilling, but everything is simpler now). BTW, the term for the pre-decimalised currency was L.S.D., standing for pounds (livre), shillings, and pence (denarii). Dave. Warning: some of the above is lies, but not all. ObCD: Richard Thompson, "Watching The Dark". From chip at PCC.COM Mon Nov 6 12:39:39 1995 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 12:39:39 -0500 Subject: Why no Trep Yet (fwd) Message-ID: BREVARD Adrian R.: > Hmm, not sure Al & Deb's livelihood depends solely on moi buying a copy of > Trepanation... Unfortunately, this is a fallacious argument held up by many software piraters and other copyright violators. The problem is, AB, that you are *not* the only one who has a copied CD. Anyone who has ever written a piece of software or a song and has seen it stolen knows all about this. You're right, A+D don't depend on you, alone. But you're not alone. By far. More importantly, consider the effect on the BS beyond the direct financial aspects. Right now, I know that A+D consider the relative small sales success of their albums when it comes to deciding what to do (remember how personally Al took criticism way back when?). So, there they are, deciding whether or not to make another album, and sales are slow. Perhaps people aren't as interested, they think, or that their market is just a few people on BOC-L. So they stop making albums. That, to me, would suck. Remember, this is not Atlantic Records here (and even if it were, it shouldn't matter). *Don't take this all personally*, especially because I know there are perhaps dozens of people with copied CD's reading this now (or who KNOW someone reading this). If you don't like the music, DON'T buy it. But if you do - and you really should like _Trepanation_, based on your other reviews - *encourage* Al and Deb and buy the damn thing. It will be worth the "CAREER of Christmas" alone, trust me. > my entire cd collection is numbers less than 40 and most of those > are from the cutout bin costing anywhere from $1.99 to $5.99. Cripes, if you'd skipped on or two of those Triumph CD's, you'd have Trep on your lap now :-) So, off my soapbox now. I'll take it to private email. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8177 From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Mon Nov 6 13:01:13 1995 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 12:01:13 -0600 Subject: Watt single w/D&S out yet? In-Reply-To: <199511061556.KAA18175@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Nov 6, 95 10:56:13 am Message-ID: > According to what Deb forwarded to us from Mike Watt, the > "E-Ticket Ride" single with "Dominance and Submission" (co-starring > the famous Brothers Bouchard) should have been released by now. > Has anyone seen it yet? As I previously mentioned, I managed to find > an import CD single which had this track, and it smokes -- if you see > this single available, by all means check it out! > > John > Yes, I got it week before last. It's very cool, and I'd really like to find the CD version; vinyl may be ultra-hip and fashionable etc etc these days, but I still prefer the sound I get from a CD as opposed to that which comes from my turntable... And I'm not shelling out a lot of money to get a new turntable. But I probably do need a new needle... Anyone know of online places I can get a new needle? -Bryan From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Nov 6 13:06:23 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:06:23 -0500 Subject: Bowie Song Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-06 10:31:54 EST, you write: >The tune with the line to the effect of _never met a girl like you before_ is >NOT Bowie! It's some guy by the name of Lloyd Cole (I believe) nope it's not Lloyd Cole... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Nov 6 13:06:46 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:06:46 -0500 Subject: One thought at a Time Today 11/6/95 Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-06 12:05:48 EST, you write: > If BOC does unplugged for MTV, they should be creative. Not in >the Dead Milkmen sense (because I assume they would want people to see it), >but maybe if they played a harp, sitar, trumpet or something of that nature. >Maybe if they gave Vera Gemini an old Chicago sound with horns, stand up bass >etc. I could do without the horns...I'm a strings and keys kinda guy...I think a sitar would sound great on She's As Beautiful As A Foot...piano w/ violins and cello on In Thee and Sun Jester...one song I overlooked was Goin' Thru the Motions, that would be a good song unplugged... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Nov 6 13:06:43 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:06:43 -0500 Subject: Watt single w/D&S out yet? Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-06 11:03:52 EST, you write: >According to what Deb forwarded to us from Mike Watt, the >"E-Ticket Ride" single with "Dominance and Submission" (co-starring >the famous Brothers Bouchard) should have been released by now. >Has anyone seen it yet? I looked for it on my last venture to the record store last week...I ask the guy and he didn't have it...they did have 2 Watt 45s, it may have been E-Ticket Ride, but no Dominance and Submission on it... what I did get was: Blue Oyster Cult "Club Ninja" LP in mint condition "Dancin In The Ruins" 7" promo "Perfect Water" 7" promo and a U2 4-pack of 7" singles which includes "60 seconds to Kingdom Come" I noticed in the "new additions" box alot of newer LP releases...the bottom line is vinyl is more fun to collect than CD...I buy mine and put it in a safe place... ROBO From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 6 07:33:54 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 12:33:54 +0000 Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 In-Reply-To: <9511061010.AA25639@sun1.bham.ac.uk> from "Derrick Chilton" at Nov 6, 95 10:10:21 am Message-ID: > This album is great, Ron's vocals are good on all tracks but Beam Me up. I > like his voice, he's better for the band than Brigdette Wishhart. > Great Album long worth the wait. I agree, excepting that I don't mind Ron's vocals on 'Beam Me Up', but I definately like him better than Bridget. Cheers, Carl From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Mon Nov 6 08:02:50 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:02:50 +0000 Subject: OFFTOP: acquiring Sundial CDs -Reply Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a vague recollection of someone on this list having said they had seen a copy of Sundial's _Return Journey_ or _Other Way Out_ on CD in a shop somewhere ... If *anyone* runs across such an item could the *please* buy it on my behalf and I will gladly pay them back whatever it costs. Carl <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< well it warnt me and i'm not gonna find them in derby, BUT there is some pint to this post: check out notting hill's MusicVideoExchange shops next time you visit the smoke; i saw a lot of sundial stuff last time i was there (admittedly a coupla months ago) and hey! if theer gorn , there's always plenty to blow yore ill-earned on. ygafw ObLp: Planet Sweet - Knights Of The Occasional Table oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh! From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon Nov 6 13:57:26 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:57:26 -0500 Subject: Why no Trep Yet (fwd) Message-ID: > BREVARD Adrian R.: > > Hmm, not sure Al & Deb's livelihood depends solely on moi buying a copy of > > Trepanation... > > Unfortunately, this is a fallacious argument held up by many > software piraters and other copyright violators. The problem > is, AB, that you are *not* the only one who has a copied CD. Uh, I think you guys are talking at cross purposes. You chastised AB for his possession of a taped copy of Eponymous, and then questioned in passing why he hadn't purchased Trep. He though that his failure to purchase Trep was your main complaint - or at least that was the only point that he answered in his followup... Steve From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 6 13:54:40 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:54:40 +0000 Subject: off topic-uk money? In-Reply-To: from "Michael P Mccollum" at Nov 6, 95 10:22:09 am Message-ID: > alright now i may be the only one not to know but how much is a quid? > more than a pound? and what the hell is a pence? your monetary sysyem/slang > is confusing to this alabama boy. please can someone explain -this has > been bothering me for a while- Luckily, there is a 'yank' here to translate ;) A 'quid' is to a pound like a 'buck' is to a dollar, if you take my meaning .... 'Pence' is the plural of 'penny', ie. one penny, two pence. (I could digress at this point, and discuss the survival of Old English plural forms in 'pence' as opposed to a -(e)s plural in 'pennies' by analogy with with other nouns of that form, but will try to restrain myself ;) For about the last quarter century English money has been decimal, ie. 100 pence = 1 pound. ('Pence' is abbreviated 'p', so 10p = 10 pence.) Before that, there was a really fabulous system parts of which date back to Roman times in which 240 (!) pence = 1 pound, and there were various systems of shillings and things in between that which I don't remember well ... 20 pence to a shilling and 12 shillings to a pound? There were other weird relics lurking in that system as well. I, personally, mourn the loss of the ha'penny (=.5p) which got phased out about a decade ago .... ;) Plus, sometime in the last 10 years the Enlish have changed the size of their 5p coin, which I discovered when I showed up with the _wrong_size_ 5p piece (perish the thought)! Another interesting note on English money for 'yanks' is that one pound coins, first introduced when I was here in '84, have long since completely replaced paper 1 pound notes. This is somewhat confusing when one first arrives and suddenly finds oneself mixing ones pound coins in with one's loose change as opposed to larger denomination paper notes (as one would with dollar notes)--but actually it works quite well an it gives one a strange feeling of satisfaction to actually be able to buy _real_things_ (as opposed to, say, gumballs) with _coins_. I personally, am ready to ditch paper money in favour of 5, 10, and 20 pound coins as well :) Right, enough of that ... Cheers, Carl From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Nov 6 14:20:34 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:20:34 -0500 Subject: Why no Trep Yet In-Reply-To: <309E48E6@houmg001.shl.com> from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Nov 6, 95 09:38:00 am Message-ID: BREVARD Adrian R. writes: > Hmm, not sure Al & Deb's livelihood depends solely on moi buying a copy of > Trepanation, however I am probably the only one on the list that does not > have Trepanation yet. One reason why is that I have a very limited music > budget, feel its more important to feed the five who depend on daddy than to > blow the whole wad at Best Buy (which I could easily do). Yeah it seems I [Bit about limited musical budget deleted...] For the money you spent on the-rehash-that-is-_WotT_ (negligible [if any] new material) you could easily have bought a legal copy of _Eponymous_ or that copy of _Trepanation_ you've always promised yourself (chock full of all-new material). Strange choice indeed, but you pays yer money and takes yer chance... Btw, there is a FAQ posted regularly to the rec.audio newsgroups that includes information telling you (almost step-by-step) how to play the Columbia House deal to your advantage. You only get scammed if you don't know how to run things properly. Your wife may want to check it out... Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Brain Surgeons, _Eponymous_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Nov 6 14:26:22 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:26:22 -0500 Subject: off topic-uk money? Message-ID: > I, personally, mourn the loss of the ha'penny (=.5p) which got >phased out about a decade ago .... ;) Plus, sometime in the last 10 years >the Enlish have changed the size of their 5p coin, which I discovered when >I showed up with the _wrong_size_ 5p piece (perish the thought)! This never ceases to piss me off. Unlike the US where the currency hasn't changed in a hundred years, it seems that the UK changes it every year so that every time I visit I have coins from my previous visit that are no longer legal tender e.g. the 5 and 10p Martyn From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon Nov 6 14:33:09 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:33:09 -0500 Subject: Career of X-mas Message-ID: > From: ROBERT SEDLER > > Hi ho all! > > Well, I'm probably not the only one posting this tonight, but what the > heck, here goes nuthin'. > > Got a letter from Mistah Bouchard today which was an advert for a three > tune cassette called "Career of Christmas". It sez that it be updates of > 3 of Al's most requested old faves. Does anybody know what these 3 tunes > are? Yep. What, you didn't think I was going to *tell* you, didja? :-) They sound great, though. Chip, Lurking Girl and I got to hear them the same night we heard the demos of the new material. Steve From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Mon Nov 6 14:33:26 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:33:26 -0500 Subject: off topic-uk money? Message-ID: >Other, less common, terms are a guinea, which was a pound and a shilling, >a shilling being 1/20 of a pound, a sovereign, which was 8 pounds and 8 >shillings, and half-a-crown, which was of course half a sovereign. There >used to be a unit called the bishop, but this was banned in the mid-1800s. > No, a crown was 5 shilling (25 new P) so therefore half- a-crown was 2s and 6d or 12 and 1/2 pee. Nit Pick Nit pick Martyn (old enough to remember Lsd) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 6 15:18:46 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:18:46 -0500 Subject: Unplugged - What? and WHY? Message-ID: Just to throw some more spare change into the whole "Should BOC do ____ unplugged" discussion: 1. While I like the idea as a novelty, the whole "Unplugged" thing has gotten way out of hand (sort of like the "tribute" thing) - it's cool to hear a song you know done a different way, but I don't want that suddenly to become *the way* the song is done by a band. 2. MTV should *reflect* what is happening in the world of music, but it seems to me that it thinks it should *drive* what happens. For example, it used to be (and probably still is) for alot of musicians that if they didn't come out with a video to their single, there was little chance of it becoming any kind of hit. And, some artists write music to fit a particular video concept (rather than coming up with a video to compliment the *music*, what the "M" in MTV is suppossed to represent), which, IMHO, sucks. I don't need MTV to tell me what to listen to, or how to be cool, and I certainly don't want them telling me how to vote. So, the whole idea of one of my favorite bands like BOC doing something to get MTV exposure just kinda makes me wanna puke. 3. The whole idea of doing something "unplugged" to gain recognition or possibly even new fans is crazy (but this is based on my opinions in points 1 and 2 above) -- the only benefit I see is to do this for *established* fans of a particular artist. And if a band approaches this as a novelty sort of thing to do for their established fans, well then the sky's the limit. It doesn't matter WHAT songs they do, or HOW they do them. Let's take BOC for example. ALL of the songs people have mentioned would be cool to hear acoustically. But then, so would ANY BOC song. For that matter, why limit it to acoustic? Let's see the band do a song electronically (syths, sequencers, drum machines, etc.), how 'bout a reggae/ska version of some song, maybe a orchestral arrangement of a classic BOC tune, an a capella version of a song done in 4-part harmony, hell even a rap version of some song -- the list goes on and on . . . The real point is that MUSIC (and especially good music) doesn't have to be restricted to a particular style - and it's cool to try and change it once in awhile -- but do it 'cuz its fun and do it for your fans - don't do it 'cuz its trendy or in the hopes of getting new fans (as far as getting new fans, just get some new music out - i.e. when is the BOC album gonna be out?). Just to put some concrete examples of what I mean in point 3, here are some off-the-top-of-my-head ideas for BOC to try (note: I realistically don't believe any of them would ever be done, but this is also true for all the "unplugged" BOC set lists that are being tossed around as well): "Stairway to the Stars" - done with a swing beat and add trumpets "She's As Beautiful as a Foot" - done rap style with added verses "Tattoo Vampire" - done with synths, drum machines, and special effects "Monsters" - done twice as fast, thrash-metal style "Cities on Flame" - Done with a full orchestra (main riff done by violins) "Dr. Music" - reggae style with bongos and marimbas Note: I'm not saying I can actually hear all these things in my head, or that they would make for great music -- just a few random things I though of that would be a neat novelty to see done once, and then go back to doing it the way they always do. John From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Nov 6 17:16:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:16:00 PST Subject: Why no Trep Yet - we moved it off line Message-ID: Chip and I are conducting are little debate off line but there are a couple of things that need to be said as I do not want to leave Al & Deb with the wrong impression. First of all the tape of EPO I have was made by a very good friend simply for me to hear what it sounded like rpior to purchasing for myself. I had seen EPO in Towers records and almost bought it right then and there until I checked my pocket (not enough cash unfortunately). The copy that was made for me was made on a boom box very similar to my own and could never be used to make pirated copies that someone could sell on the street. I personally will not buy cd's/tapes from a street vendor or a store front known for pirating materials, I do watch CNN. While it is true I have not purchased a copy of Epo or Trep on cd as of yet, my reasons for doing so should not be interpreted as a slight or a dislike for either item, rather I will purchase them when I am inclined to do so and can afford to. What I buy and when I buy is quite simply my business. No offense was intended when I said I doubt Al & Deb are relying on me alone to pay the rent. I'm sure lots of hard work was placed in the cd's and I am not in anyway making light of all their valuable time and effort. At the same time it is not a crime to be on this list and admit not to having purchased copies of either cd. If it is then I guess I get the death penalty as I also do not own CE, BOC, T&M, CC, CN, AOF Specters, Flat Out, Career of Evil, FOUO, or On Flame on cd either. So if it is considered a crime or in poor taste to admit this then lets apply the same rules to all of those who refused to purchase a copy of WoTT when John S. mentioned purchasing a copy for a friend or relative. The line forms behind me everyone. Again just wanted to set the record straight as I am now educating Chip off line as to when & why I do purchase the cd's I do, specifically why so much Triumph lately. AB From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 6 13:58:22 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:58:22 GMT Subject: OFF TOPIC: Twink Message-ID: Twink Records have another couple of releases and have sent a flyer round to advertise this. They are as follows - in case anyone is interested. 1) Twink - Odds & Beginnings CD Released on vinyl in 1991 a Twink compilation of rare archive recordings 2) Psychik 'Atters - Mystic Minutes CD This band is led by Dani Speakman who has worked with Gong/Hawkwind/ Pinkwind. Contact Twink Records, 17 Gladstone Road, Colchester, Esex CO1 2EA jill PS: Ah - I see from later in the flyer that Dani Speakman is more accurately listed as playing with: Gong/ Nik Turner's Hawkwind/ Pinkwind! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 6 14:08:45 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 19:08:45 GMT Subject: off topic-uk money? In-Reply-To: Michael P Mccollum's message of Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:22:09 -0600 Message-ID: > > And yes Al/Deb, I'll have a copy, soon as I figure a way round the pesky 7 > > quid or so for an IMO. > > > > > > Tim > > > > ObCD: Blues Traveler - "Save His Soul" > > > alright now i may be the only one not to know but how much is a quid? > more than a pound? and what the hell is a pence? your monetary sysyem/slang > is confusing to this alabama boy. please can someone explain -this has > been bothering me for a while- > thanks mike psyche mmmmmmmmm.... 12 pence = 1 shilling 24 shillings = oooops - that's wrong!!! sorry - forgot where I was for a moment....! We abandoned the Sumerian stuff a while ago now 8-) ==================== In fact there's virtually no difference now between the US and UK money systems. 100 pence = 1 UK pound. The slang for pound = quid (not sure why unless it relates to the price that tobacco used to be???) As far as money exchange is concerned I think the pound is standing at about 1 UK pound = 1.56 US dollars. Hope this helps 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Mon Nov 6 11:16:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 11:16:00 -0500 Subject: BOC and Satan???? Message-ID: ATTENTION: The following story IS true, but is intended to be SARCASTIC and HUMOROUS. No flames are necessary, I'll do it myself. I was hangin' around the other day kickin' out some serious jams to BOC's T&M album, and something that I had completely forgotten about came rushing back to me like an angry grandmother at a customer service desk. When I was younger (weren't we all?), it seems like just because I was "young & stoopid" I would always take heat from people about how that "satanic" music I listened to was putting my immortal soul in Jeopardy ( I usually picture Alex Trebek as the Grim Reaper here) and how I was going to "crackle and burn like spittle in a deep fryer" for listening to evil bands like Blue Oyster Cult. I remember being fresh out of high school, pimply-faced and full of an almost inexhaustible energy, and working at a local Burger King (low wages and all the cold fries ya can eat!). My boss, the store manager, was one of these guys who I'm sure EVERYBODY knows. He was one of these guys who was once into some serious drugs, but had kicked the habit because hang-ups and crutches are evil, and was now hung up on Religion. He had basically traded in his bong and straw on a cross (meet the new boss, same as the old boss). He used to let me listen to Blue Oyster Cult at work ONLY if he could, in return, preach to me the "evils" of the music I was listening to. I figgered I'd let him so I could jam at work, and so I could argue with the boss. Well needless to say, he pestered me every chance he got, and I gave it to him right back. He used to tell me about how Tyranny & Mutation was BOC's most popular album because Satan was alive in the music marketing world and was using all his power to get this album into everyone's home. Wow! I know BOC's management has gone downhill like a cannon ball on ice but I didn't know they used to have such a "player" working for them! No wonder they aren't as popular anymore now that the "The Beelzebub Marketing services" contract has run out. I'm surprised Satan didn't just bestow on Eric an amazing guitar playing ability!!! I remember giving it back to him one night and asking him if he though maybe Eric Bloom WAS Satan. He said that he probably was, and as I looked deep into his eyes and the twisting, swirling vortex of his mind, I knew he really believed it too. He also said that there was an image of Satan inside the Eagles Hotel California album and that Satan (Who I'm sure everyone knows has a beautiful singing voice, all fallen angels do ya know) had sung some background vocals on the album. I ask you this; What kind of POWER and INFLUENCE to people have to have in the music world to get Satan to lay down backing vocal tracks on an album? Now THAT is some serious clout!!!! Well the point of this whole deal is that I am older now and no longer encounter this. On the other hand, people now CONSTANTLY badger me and ask me why I have never OUTGROWN my music. So I look them straight in the eye and tell them that Satan's power over me from listening to Tyranny & Mutation so many times is SO STRONG that I am cursed to listen to this music FOREVER now. And as much as I scream and panic in my mind and try to break away so that I can listen to "adult" music like Michael Bolton and Whitney Houston, my soul can never be freed of it and I am cursed forever. I usually throw in a "please, help me" with a single tear rolling down my cheek to put a point on it. Is it any wonder why the people I work with think I am a wee bit nutz? The moral of this story is: Don't try and change me or play with head, because I play back. Thanks for listening fellow BOC fans! Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com AGAIN: This silly little story is intended to be HUMOROUS and SARCASTIC and is by no means putting down Religious people, only a couple of 'em who live near me. You probably don't know them anyway. From jguizar at EPIX.NET Mon Nov 6 17:32:52 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 17:32:52 EST Subject: Off Topic Message-ID: Argh, I thought I just saw a reference in someone's message about "Come Fire Walk With Me", but hit the delete key to quick. I've been trying to find out who was playing in the bar scene (if I'm thinking of the same movie). Spacemen3 - 2:35 reminds me of it, but it's not quite the same. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Mon Nov 6 18:24:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:24:00 -0500 Subject: Alien Collectors Item Message-ID: Hello, I talked to Chris Bruce and he said that Doug Smith said the first digipack pressing of the Alien had a very flimsy front cover (thin board). There were 5000 of these made, which were recalled as soon as Doug saw them. Just thought you should know, if youhave to have everything!! Scott (still waiting to hear the Alien!) From Prozaxs at AOL.COM Mon Nov 6 19:23:53 1995 From: Prozaxs at AOL.COM (Ken Long) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 19:23:53 -0500 Subject: Motorhead BBC1 7pm Message-ID: Sorry, I haven't followed this thread completely... Christmas special: both CDs, Trepanation and Eponymous and the cassette, Carerr of Christmas... $25. Does that include shipping? (that part was not clear...) Send check to the Cellsum address in your home page? Thanks! Ken From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Nov 6 20:30:39 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 20:30:39 -0500 Subject: BOC and Satan???? Message-ID: > >ATTENTION: The following story IS true, but is intended to be >SARCASTIC and HUMOROUS. No flames are necessary, I'll do it myself. > ( story edited, cause you probably read it already ) I too have found that some people look at BOC as satanic only because the name has the word " Cult" in it. I think I am of strong enough mental abilities to decide right from wrong without being influenced by a bit of good music. I am a deeply religious person, it just so happens the things I believe in can not be found in any organized religion I have come across. I have also found most of the people who are quick to condemn others and their choices are usually just as evil as the things they condemn. Remember the words of Ian Anderson: " If Jesus saves, then he better save himself, from the gory, glory seekers who use his name in death." Duane OBCD: Robert Calvert - Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters -- From ccrowley at MHC.MTHOLYOKE.EDU Mon Nov 6 20:32:56 1995 From: ccrowley at MHC.MTHOLYOKE.EDU (Carolyn Crowley) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 20:32:56 -0500 Subject: North Adams vs Northampton In-Reply-To: <951104111321_97799199@mail02.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Nov 1995, Paul Rosenblatt wrote: > Confirmed BOC Nov 11 Norh Adams not Northampton. > The Night Shift Cafe > Call 413 663 7646 for tkt info > > Paul Thanks Paul... Does anyone know directions to this place though? I am coming from South Hadley, near the Mass Pike...or from Lee, MA if that is easier. Caro Oh, another question...what time do the doors open? "I've got these glasses real thick and green, just like the bottoms of of coke bottles...." --Alice From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Nov 6 21:25:18 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 21:25:18 -0500 Subject: BOC and Satan???? In-Reply-To: <8B472A4.00010005D8.uuout@nor.mkl.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Nov 1995, ROBERT SEDLER wrote: > Wow! I know BOC's management has gone downhill like a cannon ball on > ice but I didn't know they used to have such a "player" working for > them! No wonder they aren't as popular anymore now that the "The > Beelzebub Marketing services" contract has run out. I'm surprised > Satan didn't just bestow on Eric an amazing guitar playing ability!!! Yes, but Satan is meant to be evil, so surely it would make more sense for him to inflict immeasurable pain and suffering upon the world by bestowing upon Eric the BELIEF that he could play the guitar when in fact merely bestowing upon him the ability to play STUN GUITAR... > AGAIN: This silly little story is intended to be HUMOROUS and > SARCASTIC and is by no means putting down Religious people, only a > couple of 'em who live near me. You probably don't know them anyway. Yeah, what he said. And this is also not meant to defame Satan, who is probably a nice guy when you get to know him. ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Popa Chubby, _Booty and the Beast_ From PaulR208 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 6 22:12:01 1995 From: PaulR208 at AOL.COM (Paul Rosenblatt) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 22:12:01 -0500 Subject: North Adams vs Northampton Message-ID: In response to Caro's request for directions: I'm coming from CT, so 91N to 2W to N Adams 2nd light after McDonalds (McDharma's?) take a right. 1st sharp left and you're there. These directions are untested, by me anyway. Good luck, see you there. Paul PS I understand this show is on the eve of Buck's birthday From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Mon Nov 6 21:21:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 21:21:00 -0500 Subject: BOC LIVE 76- A REVIEW Message-ID: Blue Oyster Cult LIVE '76 An Album Review by TORGO A fellow BOC fan chucked a question at me the other day regarding LIVE albums. He wanted to know what I generally thought of them and if I preferred them to studio albums, or vice versa. He went on to say that he did not like them much, and that if he wanted to hear live music he would go see a band live. Well, I have never been what you could call a BIG fan of live albums myself, but I do like them a wee bit more than that. Now ok, I'll admit, I'm a sucker for sound quality. Yes, I'm the guy who constantly tinkers with his sound system, has different equalizer settings for every album, and puts his comfiest chair right in the "sweet spot" when listening to a favorite CD. Sometimes I even pull the shades and shut off the telephone ringer. I like my music clean, crisp, thundering... and uninterrupted. So today, when I found myself in possession of a CD of BOC's Live '76, I hesitated before giving it a thorough listen. I had heard many a rumor about this album. Many a BOC fan has told me to avoid it at all cost, that it had all the appeal of watching hemorrhoid surgery. Well, I gritted my teeth, planted my feet firmly, tightened my sphincter, and slid the CD into the player. My first reaction, upon reading the time readout was utter amazement! The CD weighs in at a whopping 78 minutes, easily the longest playing time I have ever seen on a single CD! Sweat was beginning to form on my brow as I reached down and hit the play button......... The first thing one hears is some long winded ya-hoo shouting out his introduction of the Eighth Wonder of the Universe, Blue Oyster Cult. The band then breaks into "Stairway to the Stars", and it sounds.... well.... horrible. Now, bad sound quality can be remedied to some degree, but not this album, no way. Apart from sounding like it was recorded by a guy with a Fisher-Price tape recorder as he hid two floors down in a men's room behind a garbage can filled to bursting with paper towels, the quality of the album constantly changes! One minute the bass cannot even be heard and a second later it thunders out of the speakers like a 747 doing doughnuts on an icy pond, drowning out vocals, drums and even Eric. Well my first impulse was to vomit, but I fought the bile back and listened to the whole album. Now, one thing I've found when listening to an album with really rotten sound quality is that you kinda get "in tune" with the quality of the sound. Not unlike the icy waters of a swimming pool still open long after the season is over, it is a shock at first until your mind and body kinda fall in "sync" with the overall tone. Of course, if something from, oh lets say, Cultosaurus Erectus was to come blaring through the speakers without warning, reality would come screaming back to your bleeding ears with a vengeance. And so I listened to the whole album. And while this album is very bad in many ways, in another way it is very good. While on the average BOC's other live albums are very good, they are very commercial and safe. Live '76 has some of those rare BOC moments you just don't find on a commercial album. Apart from previously unheard live versions of "This ain't the Summer of Love" and "Stairway to the Stars", Live '76 features a long and heavy guitar solo by Buck, a wild bass solo by Joe, and one of the longest and most unusual drum solo's I have ever heard by Albert Bouchard. When 10 songs can be padded out to 78 minutes, this album has a real concert feel to it. And so, to put the final nail in this review, let me say that I would NOT recommend this album to anyone who is not that familiar with BOC and wants to start getting into their music. This album is for the collector. For the rabid fan who can't get enough. This is for you, that person out there who buys any bootleg he can get his little paws on, regardless of how out and out rotten the sound quality is. Think of it as getting your favorite bootleg tape remastered onto CD for safe keeping to have forever. On a scale from 1 to 10 for CONTENT alone, I would give this CD a 9, but unfortunately, that unforgivable sound quality drags the overall score back down to a 4. Had the sound on this CD been equal to, say that of, Extra-terrestrial Live, this would have been on of BOC's best live albums ever. And then again, if a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass a-hoppin'...... Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Tue Nov 7 01:18:12 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 00:18:12 -0600 Subject: BOC and Satan???? In-Reply-To: <8B472A4.00010005D8.uuout@nor.mkl.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Nov 1995, ROBERT SEDLER wrote: > ATTENTION: The following story IS true, but is intended to be > SARCASTIC and HUMOROUS. No flames are necessary, I'll do it myself. > > I was hangin' around the other day kickin' out some serious jams to > BOC's T&M album, and something that I had completely forgotten about > came rushing back to me like an angry grandmother at a customer > service desk. When I was younger (weren't we all?), it seems like just > because I was "young & stoopid" I would always take heat from people > about how that "satanic" music I listened to was putting my immortal > soul in Jeopardy ( I usually picture Alex Trebek as the Grim Reaper > here) and how I was going to "crackle and burn like spittle in a deep > fryer" for listening to evil bands like Blue Oyster Cult. > > I remember being fresh out of high school, pimply-faced and full of an > almost inexhaustible energy, and working at a local Burger King (low > wages and all the cold fries ya can eat!). My boss, the store manager, > was one of these guys who I'm sure EVERYBODY knows. He was one of > these guys who was once into some serious drugs, but had kicked the > habit because hang-ups and crutches are evil, and was now hung up on > Religion. He had basically traded in his bong and straw on a cross > (meet the new boss, same as the old boss). He used to let me listen to > Blue Oyster Cult at work ONLY if he could, in return, preach to me > the "evils" of the music I was listening to. I figgered I'd let him so > I could jam at work, and so I could argue with the boss. Well needless > to say, he pestered me every chance he got, and I gave it to him right > back. He used to tell me about how Tyranny & Mutation was BOC's most > popular album because Satan was alive in the music marketing world and > was using all his power to get this album into everyone's home. > i got hassled one time when i was 15 - i was wearing my club ninja tour shirt with the big cult symbol as a throwing star and this dude came up to me as i was going down the street and called to me about my shirt. I thought he was a fan so i stopped and he he laid into me about all that satan crap and i listened and got teary eyed -not because i felt sinful or guilty of anything but because this guy had the gall to harass me about something that brought me such great pleasure and i resented it. i was just a punk kid but that really pissed me off and is one of those formative events that made me what i am. Ive got my own religion now based on the sanctity of amplification, the holiness of reverb and the everlasting power of full on guitar frenzy. -mike psyche btw - anyone else ever heard the deal about boc astrally projecting themseves over the audience when they played? It seemed to come up a lot when i first got into boc - i think its mentioned in one of those rock is satan books ive seen too -any explanations?, Al? From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Tue Nov 7 01:38:12 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 00:38:12 -0600 Subject: heavy metal in theaters!! In-Reply-To: <951106220909_14759449@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: hey folks, i just got an issue of Heavy Metal Havoc -special issue from the heavy metal comic magazine (#2 vol9) and in it is an ad for the movie Heavy Metal to be in theaters soon. it says: Finally ...after 14 years, the fantasy is back! Heavy Metal, the animation classic will be back with never before seen footage! only bad thing is it says sheduled for re-release in the following cities- los angeles,new york, san francisco,seattle,miami,dallas,toronto,and vancouver. so if you live close then your lucky. it also says on the next page featureing songs by black sabbath,Blue Oyster Cult,... in big letters so boc is obviously a selling point i always thought that fire of unknown origin was made to be the full soundtrack for this movie not just veterans.. anyway grab a beer and a bowl and go see HM if you be a city dweller. it is a space fantasy freaks delight. me, i just hope this means they'll finally release it on video. -mike psyche From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 6 19:12:16 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 00:12:16 GMT Subject: Alien Collectors Item In-Reply-To: 617's message of Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:24:00 -0500 Message-ID: > Hello, > > I talked to Chris Bruce and he said that Doug Smith said the > first digipack pressing of the Alien had a very flimsy front cover > (thin board). There were 5000 of these made, which were recalled as > soon as Doug saw them. Just thought you should know, if youhave to > have everything!! > Funny you should say that....... I wandered into Virgin a week or so ago in search of jewel box versions of Alien and picked up a couple of digipaks instead - which turned out to be quite different inside to the one I got from Ande Garibaldi of C&D. The latter had a full pocket to hold the booklet and a half-pocket to hold the cd while the ones from Virgin had a half pocket on *both* sides! jill PS - there does seem to be a delay on the list of about a day and I'm sure I've read one message twice! ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Nov 7 04:32:48 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:32:48 +0000 Subject: FWWM Re: Off Topic In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 06 Nov 1995 17:32:52 EST." <199511062211.RAA03263@epix.net> Message-ID: > Argh, I thought I just saw a reference in someone's message about > "Come Fire Walk With Me", but hit the delete key to quick. I've been trying > to find out who was playing in the bar scene (if I'm thinking of the same > movie). Spacemen3 - 2:35 reminds me of it, but it's not quite the same. Isn't it the Thought Gang ? (Angelo B's own band) That sequence in the bar with the strobe light and stoned out couples smooching to the pseudo-industrial racket is a complete trip Tim From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Nov 7 04:52:53 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:52:53 GMT Subject: off topic-uk money? In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:33:26 -0500 Message-ID: > >Other, less common, terms are a guinea, which was a pound and a shilling, > >a shilling being 1/20 of a pound, a sovereign, which was 8 pounds and 8 > >shillings, and half-a-crown, which was of course half a sovereign. There > >used to be a unit called the bishop, but this was banned in the mid-1800s. > > > No, a crown was 5 shilling (25 new P) so therefore half- > a-crown was 2s and 6d or 12 and 1/2 pee. Nit Pick Nit pick You mean you believed the bits about the foal, the pony and the bishop?!! That's 3 furlongs that you owe me :-). And I think a sovereign was just a pound coin from way back when, but I may be wrong. It certainly wasn't 8 pounds and 8 shillings (but a guinea really was a pound and a shilling). Oh, and a florin was 2 shillings, equivalent to 10p in decimal money. Dave. P.S. Did you know that a chain is an old unit of length defined by the length of the cricket pitch at Lords? From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Nov 7 04:54:58 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:54:58 GMT Subject: off topic-uk money? In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:54:40 +0000 Message-ID: > 'Pence' is the plural of 'penny', ie. one penny, two pence. Actually, since decimalisation there is technically no such thing as a penny. It is the 1 pence coin. I'm not joking, this is true (either that or I'm genuinely mistaken). Dave. From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Nov 6 12:36:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 17:36:00 GMT Subject: off topic-uk money? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > alright now i may be the only one not to know but how much is a quid? > more than a pound? and what the hell is a pence? your monetary > sysyem/slang > is confusing to this alabama boy. please can someone explain -this has > been bothering me for a while- > thanks mike psyche Easy! "Quid" (plural "quid") is just slang for "pound", like "buck" for dollar, or "balle" for "franc". One pound consists of 100 pence (singular "penny", but more often just said as "pee", for instance "fifty pee", which would be written "50p"). Current exchange rate is about $1.60US=1 pound. No-one really seems to know the origin of the word "quid". And there aren't really any slang words for the coins (like "nickel", or "dime"), because the system was overhauled and simplified in about 1971. We just speak of "10p coins" and so on. That's all you really need to know. But there are slang terms for larger units, eg a "pony" is 25 quid, a "monkey" is 500, a "grand" is 1000, and an "Archer" is 2000. :) - Andy ObCD: Kraftwerk - _The Mix_ From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Nov 7 06:32:08 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 06:32:08 -0500 Subject: HW: Robert Calvert Message-ID: Hello fellow Hawkfans, The other day I was in a local record store and ran across a cd in the import section by the name of Robert Calvert - Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters. I know this is rare on vinyl these days, but does anybody know how available this has been made on cd release? It was kinda pricey ( $20.95 ), but I traded my Annubian Lights cd ( which I found I liked less and less the more I listened to it ) and brought my actual cost down a bit. I was sorta surprised to see the majority of HW listed as players on this, as being a solo effort, I always assumed he did this totally apart from the Hawks. Also, I see credits for a person by the name of Twink, and I have seen this Twink reffered to in conversation on the group. Who is Twink? Anyway, when I listened to this cd, I was ROTFLMAO, listening to the parts that re-enact the Germans negotiating and buying the planes, also the part where the two mechanics are discussing the loose engine was quite funny also. Needless to say the music is excellent. I especially like Widow Maker, and Right Stuff in their original studio forms. Duane OBCD: Sade - No Ordianary Love -- From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Nov 7 06:03:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 11:03:00 GMT Subject: Off Topic Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199511062211.RAA03263 at epix.net> > Argh, I thought I just saw a reference in someone's message about > "Come Fire Walk With Me", but hit the delete key to quick. I've been > trying > to find out who was playing in the bar scene (if I'm thinking of the > same > movie). Spacemen3 - 2:35 reminds me of it, but it's not quite the same. I put Angelo Badalmenti's _Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me_ soundtrack as an ObCD - Badalamenti is one of the "Lynch mob" who has worked with David Lynch on most of his projects. He and his band (featuring Julee Cruise) are the band who play in the roadhouse in several TP episodes; but I'm not so familiar with the _TP:FWWM_ movie, so I can't swear it's them you're thinking of. I love the OST album anyway (which includes "Sycamore Trees" from the final episode of TP). - Andy From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Nov 7 06:23:09 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 11:23:09 +0000 Subject: lag? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Nov 1995, Yuri Gagarin wrote: > is it just me or is there some kind of arbitrary lag happening? i just got the > hawk stuff for sale on the net post dated 26th Oct Yeah, I've been suffering from bad lag too. I thought it was just this university, but I gather that JANET is creaking under the volume of transatlantic mail. So much for the information superhighway. Spaghetti Junction here we come. Dave From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Nov 7 02:30:06 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:30:06 +1100 Subject: HW: A Link ? Message-ID: On 6 Nov 95 Dave Berry wrote about Re: HW: A Link ?: > > 1) They are one of only a few Australian bands who have played at the > > Glastonbury Festival (last year) > > There's no real link with Hawkwind there. The Glastonbury festival is > a very corporate affair these days. I know that there was no real link there, but the mention of Glastonbury in the first paragraph is what made me read the article in the first place. And anyway, where there's straws - I'll clutch 'em! Paul -- Thought for the day: Bagpipes (n): an octopus wearing a kilt. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Nov 7 02:32:44 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:32:44 +1100 Subject: HW: A Link ? Message-ID: On 6 Nov 95 Martyn Lawrence wrote about Re: HW: A Link ?: > > 3) This is the one that caught my eye. The sax player's name is > > Robert Calvert! > > This guy has been causing confusion for years,with OUR Robert Calvert,I think > Hawkfan 2 mentions about the imposter,who played with Catapilla. He also looks nothing at all like our RC, and is probably young enough to be his son. -- Thought for the day: Dictatorship (n): a form of government under which everything which is not prohibited is compulsory. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Nov 7 02:35:07 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:35:07 +1100 Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 Message-ID: On 5 Nov 95 Dave Berry wrote about Re: HW: ALIEENN 4: > No-one here has mentioned Festivals yet - I like this song. The lyrics > are basically the poem on the sleeve of Palace Springs, and the music is > fast-paced bouncy rock. Hmmmm ... my copy of Palace Springs has no such poem! Could someone who has a copy with the poem post it on the list ? Paul -- Thought for the day: Dictatorship (n): a form of government under which everything which is not prohibited is compulsory. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Nov 7 02:18:48 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:18:48 +1100 Subject: off topic-uk money? Message-ID: On 6 Nov 95 Carl E. Anderson wrote about Re: off topic-uk money?: > Another interesting note on English money for 'yanks' is that > one pound coins, first introduced when I was here in '84, have long since > completely replaced paper 1 pound notes. This is somewhat confusing when > one first arrives and suddenly finds oneself mixing ones pound coins in > with one's loose change as opposed to larger denomination paper notes > (as one would with dollar notes)--but actually it works quite well an > it gives one a strange feeling of satisfaction to actually be able to > buy _real_things_ (as opposed to, say, gumballs) with _coins_. We have the same thing down here in Oz, where both $1 and $2 notes have been replaced with coin (roughly equivalent to 50p and 1BP). Some hate it, others love it. I personally don't give a damn! Just my $0.02 worth (or was it 1 and a bit pence?) Paul -- Thought for the day: Anatomy (n): something everyone has, but which looks better on a girl. -- Bruce Raeburn. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue Nov 7 07:53:09 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:53:09 GMT Subject: Steve Hillage address Message-ID: I expect it's really unfair to spread his address around, but I'm a bastard!! Steve Hillage posted to UK-dance yesterday. Here's his address and System 7 web site address. steveh at easynet.co.uk http://www.easynet.co.uk/pages/system7/sys7.htm bye - Rob From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Tue Nov 7 08:45:50 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:45:50 +0000 Subject: off topic: daevid allen stuff Message-ID: don't know if anyone else has mentioned this as i've not checked my inbox yet, but here's some info from the octave doctors: new cds: daevid allen - dreamin a dream glo - even as we (gilli smyth & stephen leary (here & now/ gong & planet gong) "a marvellous ambient dance cd with mystical overtones) gong global family - how to nuke the eiffel tower (various incarnations of the gong family - d.a., invisible opera company of tibet (uk & oz) and our friends the radio actors, mid length cd) first two are a tenner from g.a.s. and t'other's a fiver (gas: po box 871, glastonbury, somerset ba6 9fe; checks & p.o.s payable to gas) daevid tour dates for november: 9th ashton under lyme, the witchwood, 152 old st 10th hull, adelphi, 89 grey st 12th leeds, duchess of york, vicar lane 13th london, putney half moon, 93 lower richmond rd. 17th glastonbury, assembly rooms, high st. 19th york, fibbers (01904-651250) 24th cheltenham, the axion centre, 57-9 winchcombe lane i've got phone nos. for all these places but couldn't be bothered typing them in: if you need to gno, mail me afwyg From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Tue Nov 7 08:52:00 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:52:00 +0000 Subject: off topic: PT Transmission # 1 -Forwarded Message-ID: ** Reply Requested by 1/1/1970 (Thursday) ** thought the attached might be ov some interest to porky tree fans out there Date: 11/06/1995 10:05 pm (Monday) From: staff.SMTP."delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk" To: staff.accad(sadm771),staff.SMTP("jp at deadhead.geac.co.uk","doveren at knoware.nl","awol at cix.compulink.co.uk","rbeck at hgmp.mrc.ac.uk", . . . Subject: PT Transmission # 1 Received: from mail.bogo.co.uk (mail.bogo.co.uk [193.112.164.3]) by unix2.derby.ac.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA21668 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 22:03:40 GMT Received: from delerium.bogo.co.uk (delerium.bogo.co.uk [193.112.165.213]) by mail.bogo.co.uk (8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA16341; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 22:05:19 GMT X-Sender: delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" PT Transmission # 1 Hi there! Although in the past I've sent out a few bits of info to you all, I'd like to suggest that we make this into an open Porcupine Tree Usergroup for anyone interested in PT's music and suchlike to send in mail to be sent to the rest of us. There's relatively few of us at the moment, but having subscribed myself to a few Usergroups, it seems like a good way to share information and views of common interest, without the spamming etc that you seem to get on some Newsgroups. If you're not interested in this please let me know - I'll still forward PT News, but won't pass on views/comments etc etc. If you're up for it and want to post anything to the rest of the group, send the Email to me, with the subject header PT Transmission and I'll pass it on in digest format. Anyway now to the most recent new: Apologies if this info duplicates in part any previous mailing! Porcupine Tree are on the road again... The Nov 17th gig at The Garage, London has been cancelled, but the band are pencilled in for two UK gigs: Friday 1st December, with Ozric Tentacles, Roy Harper and Ultramarine at The Forum, Kentish Town, London. B/O 0171 344 0044. PT will be first on, so be sure to get there early! Saturday 2nd December, with Ozric Tentacles at Wulfrun Hall, Wolverhampton. B/O 01902 312030. Please note that PT will NOT be playing with Ozrics in Glasgow on 6th December - this was advertised without our knowledge, and unfortunately the band aren't able to make that date due to other commitments. PT are also playing in Athens, Greece on 23rd December... Other News: The _Voyage 34_ single has now sold out in all formats, so the song is only now available as the Remix 12", and of course the 12 min version on the Pick & Mix sampler. The _Up The Downstair_ and _Sky Moves_ albums have been released on cassette in Poland! We've managed to get a few copies which are 6 UK pounds each in the UK, or 11.25 UK pounds for the two in the UK. Elsewhere Email me for prices! The music is the same as the UK releases, but the lyrics have been translated into Polish! Finally there's a UK Porcupine Tree fanzine being started by Steve Freight and Guy Thomas. They're just finishing off the first issue, and I'll post details once they're finalised. Cheers for now! Ivor From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 7 08:54:40 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:54:40 +0000 Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 In-Reply-To: from "Paul G Ward" at Nov 7, 95 06:35:07 pm Message-ID: > > No-one here has mentioned Festivals yet - I like this song. The lyrics > > are basically the poem on the sleeve of Palace Springs, and the music is > > fast-paced bouncy rock. > > Hmmmm ... my copy of Palace Springs has no such poem! Could someone > who has a copy with the poem post it on the list ? It must be in the vinyl release, since my CD certainly doesn't have any such thing either ... Cheers, Carl From thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM Tue Nov 7 08:59:00 1995 From: thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM (Matt Thompson) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 08:59:00 E Subject: BOC and Satan???? Message-ID: I also had an interesting experience wearing a BOC shirt (I don't remember which one). I was in a mall about 10 years ago and a guy came up to me and said that he used to be into BOC. He asked if I knew the song "Unknown Tongue". Of course I had. He said that he had seen people talking in unknown tongues and that Buck Dharma was making fun of them. I didn't bother to argue the silliness of the point or mention that Buck didn't even write the lyrics (David Roter did) or sing them (Eric). I just walked away. Matt Thompson thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com Unconfirmed BOC rumor from the '70's: If you stared long enough at the cover of the first album you'd see God. From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Nov 7 07:56:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:56:00 GMT Subject: HW: Robert Calvert Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199511071132.AA05657 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> >. Also, I see credits for a person by the name of > Twink, and I have seen this Twink reffered to in conversation on the > group. Who is Twink? Twink Alder is an ancient drummer who's been in about a million bands, including the Pretty Things and the Pink Fairies. Isn't he also Turner's partner in crime on the recent "Pinkwind" affair? > Anyway, when I listened to this cd, I was > ROTFLMAO, listening to the parts that re-enact the Germans negotiating > and buying the planes, also the part where the two mechanics are > discussing the loose engine was quite funny also. "Bloody radar crew..." :) Featuring the late great Viv Stanshall, as well (but I'm not sure which parts are him). BTW, the "missing" track, "The Widow's Song", which was on the lyrics sheet but not on the LP, turned up eventually on _Friends and Relations 3_ (in a new recording?). I don't suppose it's on the CD? - Andy From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Nov 7 09:59:30 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:59:30 GMT Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:54:40 +0000 Message-ID: > It must be in the vinyl release, since my CD certainly doesn't > have any such thing either ... Nope, it's in my CD release. It's on the inside of the cover sheet. The front is the cover of the album, the back is the track listing, and the inside is the poem. The whole "booklet" is only 4 pages long. Maybe it's a UK-only thang, or a re-release thang. Is this another purchase for FoFP? :-) Dave. From ED_TIDWELL at DELPHI.COM Tue Nov 7 10:13:15 1995 From: ED_TIDWELL at DELPHI.COM (ED_TIDWELL at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 10:13:15 -0500 Subject: heavy metal in theaters!! Message-ID: I've seen this movie in Boston when it was released. As well as Black and Blue and Led Zeps Song Remains. They were all good watching. Heavy Metal's songs are from different artists, Veterans made it, however alot of the albums "FoUO" lyrics are based on the movie script. If any of you see it, and then listen to "FoUO" you'll definitely be able to visualize some movie footage. It may have been that BOC had the majority of songs for the movie but at the last minute had been changed. Ed From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Nov 7 12:14:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:14:00 PST Subject: Inaccuracies Message-ID: To Chip: In my last post I stated that I was "educating Chip in how I purchased cd's". The correct phrasing should have been I was trying to explain to Chip how I make dsecisions as to what I buy and when I buy it. A strange process for sure. Hey Chip thanks for the info on Frank, and your right I never heard of Ditch Queen. Saw a lot of Frank's stuff in the no longer made category, would suppose it is on one of them. Single Live over Double Live? I can see that. Again thanks and sorry for the flippant remark. For the record the missing BOC from my cd collection can be found on tape and vinyl. When I do get the cd's it will make three copies of most of the BOC catalog. Torgo: Live is better I think, I use MCI here and AT&T at home. Since we (company) are about to be acquired by MCI I'll be politically correct and do the friends and family (sans list) from here. Funny story at Burger King. Some really strange stories on Satan/BOC connection. Never really heard these type stories about the band when I was growing up, maybe because most of the gang was into the band too. and our parents never knew who they were. Paul I've looked through the Columbia catalog and really didn't see anything worth ordering. Will definitely check the FAQ though for the sure fire method. Will make the wife read it three times before doing the Columbia thing again. Dr. Bob get plenty of rest before Reading. Thanks John S. the chat was very helpful. From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 7 10:05:45 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:05:45 GMT Subject: HW: Robert Calvert In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Tue, 7 Nov 1995 06:32:08 -0500 Message-ID: Duane Hoyt writes: > Hello fellow Hawkfans, > > The other day I was in a local record store and ran across a cd in the > import section by the name of Robert Calvert - Captain Lockheed and the > Starfighters. I know this is rare on vinyl these days, but does anybody > know how available this has been made on cd release? It was kinda pricey > ( $20.95 ), but I traded my Annubian Lights cd ( which I found I liked less > and less the more I listened to it ) and brought my actual cost down > a bit. I was sorta surprised to see the majority of HW listed as players > on this, as being a solo effort, I always assumed he did this totally > apart from the Hawks. Also, I see credits for a person by the name of > Twink, and I have seen this Twink reffered to in conversation on the > group. Who is Twink? Twink was in Pink Fairies way back in the early days of Hawkwind when Paul Rudolph, Lemmy and Alan Powell (?) were in PF. Or something like that. Jill will know. Twink was also in the proto-Nikwind band which toured the UK briefly before the US. > Anyway, when I listened to this cd, I was > ROTFLMAO, listening to the parts that re-enact the Germans negotiating > and buying the planes, also the part where the two mechanics are > discussing the loose engine was quite funny also. Needless to say > the music is excellent. I especially like Widow Maker, and Right Stuff > in their original studio forms. ObBook: Harry Turtledove's "World War". The aliens have reconnoitred Earth and spotted that their weapons technology is only at the knights in armour stage. 800 Years later they send out an invasion fleet that's not too heavily armed. After all, 800 years is a pretty short time when your history is 50,000 years. The arrive two years into World War Two and are shocked to detect radio transmissions and radar. They drop EMP bombs to knock out the radar and communications. People wonder what the pretty lights are, except for one guy at Chicago University who figures that this project he's working on may succeed after all... So because of valve technology, the nuclear strike fails. The aliens do however have 1990's equivalent tanks and aircraft which take a hell of a toll on the human versions. However the humans don't surrender and keep on throwing tanks and planes at them. Since the aliens have a finite supply, even an attrition rate of 25 to 1 the aliens will run out of stuff they brought with them unless they can establish industrial capacity on Earth. They can't even nuke the place because the colonisation fleet is already on the way. The one advantage they have is that the humans were already at war with each other and history books say that playing off factions is possible. Unfortunately that hasn't been done in the aliens history for 36,000 years, and the humans seem inhumanly devious about it. Not only that, but there's a suspicion that the British and Germans may be sharing technology to fight the aliens. Written by a historian, this is seriously good stuff. > Duane FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 7 10:07:27 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:07:27 GMT Subject: off topic-uk money? In-Reply-To: Paul G Ward's message of Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:18:48 +1100 Message-ID: Paul G Ward writes: > > On 6 Nov 95 Carl E. Anderson wrote about Re: off topic-uk money?: > > > Another interesting note on English money for 'yanks' is that > > one pound coins, first introduced when I was here in '84, have long since > > completely replaced paper 1 pound notes. But not in Scotland. There are still Scottish One Pound Notes in circulation. > Paul FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 7 10:15:51 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 15:15:51 GMT Subject: off topic-uk money? In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:54:40 +0000 Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > alright now i may be the only one not to know but how much is a quid? > > more than a pound? and what the hell is a pence? your monetary sysyem/slang > > is confusing to this alabama boy. please can someone explain -this has > > been bothering me for a while- > > Luckily, there is a 'yank' here to translate ;) > A 'quid' is to a pound like a 'buck' is to a dollar, if you > take my meaning .... 'Pence' is the plural of 'penny', ie. one penny, > two pence. (I could digress at this point, and discuss the survival > of Old English plural forms in 'pence' as opposed to a -(e)s plural in > 'pennies' by analogy with with other nouns of that form, but will try > to restrain myself ;) > For about the last quarter century English money has been decimal, > ie. 100 pence = 1 pound. ('Pence' is abbreviated 'p', so 10p = 10 pence.) > Before that, there was a really fabulous system parts of which date back > to Roman times in which 240 (!) pence = 1 pound, and there were various > systems of shillings and things in between that which I don't remember > well ... 20 pence to a shilling and 12 shillings to a pound? There were > other weird relics lurking in that system as well. I grew up with that system: 2 Farthings = 1 HalfPenny (a "Ha'penny") 3 Pennies = 1 Thrupenny (A "Thrupenny Bit") 6 Pennies = 1 HalfShilling (a "Tanner" or "Half a Bob") 4 Farthings = 1 Penny 12 Pennies = 1 Shilling (a "Bob") 2 Shillings = 1 Florin 2.5 Shillings = 1 Half Crown 5 Shillings = 1 Crown These were all coins 10 Shillings = 1 Half Pound (a "Ten Bob Note") 20 Shillings = 1 Pound These were notes. 21 Shillings = 1 Guinea (A Pound and a Shilling) There was not denomination for this but a Guinea was a measure of money often used in financial transactions because the Shilling was the commission on the Pound involved in the payment. > Cheers, > Carl FoFP From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Nov 7 11:15:05 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 11:15:05 -0500 Subject: off topic-uk money? Message-ID: >I grew up with that system: > >2 Farthings = 1 HalfPenny (a "Ha'penny") >3 Pennies = 1 Thrupenny (A "Thrupenny Bit") >6 Pennies = 1 HalfShilling (a "Tanner" or "Half a Bob") >4 Farthings = 1 Penny >12 Pennies = 1 Shilling (a "Bob") >2 Shillings = 1 Florin >2.5 Shillings = 1 Half Crown >5 Shillings = 1 Crown > >FoFP Lest we forget 3 pennies = threpenny bit (bronze 12 -sided) 4 pennies = groat (rare) 6 pennies = a tanner (common) Eeeh, I remember when you could get a pint of mild and ten woodbine for a tanner and still have change for a bag of fish and chips and the bus and the new Hawkwind 78 release :-) Martyn From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Tue Nov 7 11:50:52 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 11:50:52 -0500 Subject: HW: Robert Calvert Message-ID: >Twink was in Pink Fairies way back in the early days of Hawkwind when >Paul Rudolph, Lemmy and Alan Powell (?) were in PF. Or something like >that. Jill will know. Not normally replying to HW posts (not being an afficiando) I beleive the Fairies line up was: Russell Hunter: Drums Twink: Drums Duncan (Sandy) Sanderson: Bass Paul Rudolph: Guitar Twink left after the first album (Never Never Land) and the band went to a 3 piece for the What a Bunch of Sweeties album. The third album, Kings of Oblivion, was recorded with Larry Wallace replacing Paul Rudolph. Two other LP's were release: A collection on Polydor with all the singles included, and a Live (AT The Roundhouse) LP (i was there, I think it was my birthday). Also a single, Betwwen the Lines, was released on stiff in about 1977. I expect this is all old news, but I used to love the Fairies (still do) This info maybe slightly wrong as things are a bit rusty in my brain. Also I think they reformed for a while a few years ago and may even have done some recording. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Tue Nov 7 12:23:26 1995 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:23:26 -0800 Subject: off topic-uk money? Message-ID: A 'quid' is a Pound. 'Gimme Ten Quid' is like saying 'Give me Ten Bucks (Samoleons, Smackeroos, Big Ones, or whatever) in American "I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the sort of person I'm preaching to." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Nov 7 12:24:00 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:24:00 -0500 Subject: Why no Trep Yet - we moved it off line Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-06 17:05:32 EST, you write: >While it is true I have not purchased a copy of Epo or Trep on cd as of yet, >my reasons for doing so should not be interpreted as a slight or a dislike >for either item, rather I will purchase them when I am inclined to do so and >can afford to. What I buy and when I buy is quite simply my business. amen, brother! I can shamelessly admit the following: * I am not yet subscribed to Morning Final * I have not purchashed either Brain Surgeons albums * I have not purchased the BOC AOL Online T yet but I did order the BOC-L T-shirt : } ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Nov 7 12:30:49 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:30:49 -0500 Subject: Unplugged - What? and WHY? Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-06 17:10:51 EST, you write: >"Stairway to the Stars" - done with a swing beat and add trumpets >"She's As Beautiful as a Foot" - done rap style with added verses >"Tattoo Vampire" - done with synths, drum machines, and special effects >"Monsters" - done twice as fast, thrash-metal style >"Cities on Flame" - Done with a full orchestra (main riff done by violins) >"Dr. Music" - reggae style with bongos and marimbas > > I think John has finally snapped!!! : } my opinion of MTV is that it is stoopid...the only thing watchable on there is Beavis and Butthead...I guess that's why they make VH - 1...the prob is that there needs to be local music television...take your local Classic Rock Radio and put it on TV...I think there is enuff eyecandy out there to keep things rolling...for some of the older songs, they could use concert clips... "comin' up on WROB, 40 minutes of non-stop video with Blue Oyster Cult, Jimi Hendrix and Monster Magnet..." ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Nov 7 12:30:55 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:30:55 -0500 Subject: BOC LIVE 76- A REVIEW Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-07 01:13:58 EST, you write: >Apart from sounding like it was >recorded by a guy with a Fisher-Price tape recorder as he hid two >floors down in a men's room behind a garbage can filled to bursting >with paper towels, the quality of the album constantly changes! my nomination for quote of the week! especially when ya know what Live 76 sounds like... your best bet would be to get the video...not that the sound is any better, but at least you can see the concert...(and take the music w/ ya by hooking up your VCR to the stereo and recording it onto cassette) ROBO From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 7 08:58:21 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:58:21 +0000 Subject: lag? In-Reply-To: from "Yuri Gagarin" at Nov 6, 95 02:30:15 pm Message-ID: > is it just me or is there some kind of arbitrary lag happening? i just got the > hawk stuff for sale on the net post dated 26th Oct Same here. Bleeding annoying. Carl ObMusicalComment: Got the new Bevis Frond _Superseeder_ recently. Very cool. Definately looking forward to his Cambridge gig on the 27th. From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Nov 7 15:12:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:12:00 PST Subject: BOC LIVE 76- A REVIEW Message-ID: ite: >Apart from sounding like it was >recorded by a guy with a Fisher-Price tape recorder as he hid two >floors down in a men's room behind a garbage can filled to bursting >with paper towels, the quality of the album constantly changes! >my nomination for quote of the week! especially when ya know what Live 76 >sounds like... >your best bet would be to get the video...not that the sound is any better, >but at least you can see the concert...(and take the music w/ ya by hooking >up your VCR to the stereo and recording it onto cassette) >ROBO I second your nomination. Another excellent Torgo review. The sound quality is why I gave (thats right GAVE AWAY) the cd. Not so stooopid that I would give away the video though. Put it in the vcr, turn down the volume and turn up OYFOOYK. Sure it dosen't synch but what the heck makes for a good show on a rainy day. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Nov 7 15:20:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:20:00 PST Subject: Unplugged - What? and WHY? Message-ID: >"Stairway to the Stars" - done with a swing beat and add trumpets >"She's As Beautiful as a Foot" - done rap style with added verses >"Tattoo Vampire" - done with synths, drum machines, and special effects >"Monsters" - done twice as fast, thrash-metal style >"Cities on Flame" - Done with a full orchestra (main riff done by violins) >"Dr. Music" - reggae style with bongos and marimbas > > >I think John has finally snapped!!! : } All but the Foot works for me. :>} >my opinion of MTV is that it is stoopid...the only thing watchable on there >is Beavis and Butthead... Would Bevis and Butthead think a BOC video is "Kewl"? What other commentary do you suppose they would add. >"comin' up on WROB, 40 minutes of non-stop video with Blue Oyster Cult, Jimi >Hendrix and Monster Magnet..." >ROBO Who would play the role of the sexy veejay co-host? From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Nov 7 13:36:03 1995 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 12:36:03 -0600 Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 In-Reply-To: <12136.9511071459@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Nov 1995, Dave Berry wrote: > Nope, it's in my CD release. It's on the inside of the cover sheet. > The front is the cover of the album, the back is the track listing, and > the inside is the poem. The whole "booklet" is only 4 pages long. > Maybe it's a UK-only thang, or a re-release thang. I am inclined to believe that it is just a UK thang. I've seen both US releases (GWR and Road Racer) and each of the inserts merely folds out to reveal a picture of a polar bear in a blizzard (read: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!). Damon Capehart | UTD Student Govt. Assoc., Communications Committee; dcapehar at utdallas.edu | Society of Physics Students From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 7 11:45:43 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 16:45:43 GMT Subject: Nethawk t-shirts ready. Message-ID: As the message says. Could the following folks please email me their snailmail addresses? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RJPXR5 at aol.com 1XL Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Edlundh 1XL Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVID FURST 1L Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Baxley 1L Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Duane Hoyt 1XL Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: andrew fergus wilson 1XL Paid 10 Pounds -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Ward 1L Paid 25 Australian Dollars (9.42 Pounds) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mitch Goldman 1XL Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ROB MAERZ 1L + 1XL Paid 40 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bstewart at interserv.com 1M + 1L +1XXL cash en route -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Rudich, Robert A" 1M Paid 20 Dollars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Nov 7 13:53:36 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:53:36 -0500 Subject: Why no Trep Yet - we moved it off line In-Reply-To: <951107122359_100227610@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Nov 1995, Rob Maerz confessed: > * I have not purchased the BOC AOL Online T yet My confession is even worse: I did not even know there was a BOC AOL Online T-shirt... :-O Do you pay by the hour to wear it?? >;-) What kind of design does it feature? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Santana, _Lotus_ From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Nov 7 13:44:13 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:44:13 -0500 Subject: off topic-uk money? In-Reply-To: <9511071515.aa11947@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Nov 1995, Mike Holmes wrote: > 6 Pennies = 1 HalfShilling (a "Tanner" or "Half a Bob") Wasn't this also known as a sixpence? In the post-decimalisation adjustment of the old coinage to new values, it became worth 2.5p (half a shilling [which became 5p]). It was phased out prior to the phasing out of the 1/2p. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Prazsky Vyber, _Adieu C.A. (live)_ From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 7 13:52:17 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:52:17 +0000 Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 In-Reply-To: <12136.9511071459@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Nov 7, 95 02:59:30 pm Message-ID: > > It must be in the vinyl release, since my CD certainly doesn't > > have any such thing either ... > > Nope, it's in my CD release. It's on the inside of the cover sheet. > The front is the cover of the album, the back is the track listing, and > the inside is the poem. The whole "booklet" is only 4 pages long. > Maybe it's a UK-only thang, or a re-release thang. Ah, this could be ... I have the US release, of course ... Cheers, Carl From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 7 13:42:06 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:42:06 GMT Subject: off topic-uk money? In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:54:40 +0000 Message-ID: > Another interesting note on English money for 'yanks' is that > one pound coins, first introduced when I was here in '84, have long since > completely replaced paper 1 pound notes. This is somewhat confusing when Not in Scotland it ain't. The *Scottish* pound is still available in crisp green and multihued note form - easily transferrable to wallet and pocket and absolutely no different in value to the English pound. The Scottish banks took account of their customers' preferences and continued to print 'em, much to their credit and my gratitude. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 7 13:36:12 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:36:12 GMT Subject: off topic-uk money? In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Mon, 6 Nov 1995 14:26:22 -0500 Message-ID: > currency hasn't changed in a hundred years, it seems that the UK > changes it every year so that every time I visit I have coins > from my previous visit that are no longer legal tender e.g. the 5 and 10p > I mourned the loss of the old 10p which was identical to the 2 shilling 2/- and interchangeable for a while. It was a decent respectable- sized coin. One regret of recent coinage is that we've lost the historical feel. To have a hundred year old penny coin in your pocket always evoked a sort of wonder when I thought how many times it had been traded over the years! In fact the size of the old 5p is not all that far removed from the new 10p coins and so if you *do* have a few there might be some machines that wouldn't actually recognise the difference! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Nov 7 14:43:48 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:43:48 -0500 Subject: HW: World War In-Reply-To: <9511071505.aa09073@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "M Holmes" at Nov 7, 95 03:05:45 pm Message-ID: CHOMP! > > ObBook: Harry Turtledove's "World War". The aliens have reconnoitred > Earth and spotted that their weapons technology is only at the knights > in armour stage. 800 Years later they send out an invasion fleet that's > not too heavily armed. After all, 800 years is a pretty short time when > your history is 50,000 years. > > The arrive two years into World War Two and are shocked to detect radio > transmissions and radar. They drop EMP bombs to knock out the radar and > communications. People wonder what the pretty lights are, except for one > guy at Chicago University who figures that this project he's working on > may succeed after all... > > So because of valve technology, the nuclear strike fails. The aliens do > however have 1990's equivalent tanks and aircraft which take a hell of a > toll on the human versions. However the humans don't surrender and keep > on throwing tanks and planes at them. Since the aliens have a finite > supply, even an attrition rate of 25 to 1 the aliens will run out of > stuff they brought with them unless they can establish industrial > capacity on Earth. They can't even nuke the place because the > colonisation fleet is already on the way. > > The one advantage they have is that the humans were already at war with > each other and history books say that playing off factions is possible. > Unfortunately that hasn't been done in the aliens history for 36,000 > years, and the humans seem inhumanly devious about it. Not only that, > but there's a suspicion that the British and Germans may be sharing > technology to fight the aliens. > > Written by a historian, this is seriously good stuff. > > > FoFP > Now _THIS_ sounds like something that HW could have a field day with setting to music! Sounds like a book I'll have to pick up real soon now! (Anyone in the UK interested in helping me find some war novels that have been long out of print on this side of the Pond? Private e-mail, please!) objCassette Deck: Merge / In The Lap Of The Gods - Mourn not TD no more! Get this excellent Logos/Poland/Pergamon-styled effort and rejoice! Hallelulia, bubba! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Nov 7 14:37:11 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:37:11 -0500 Subject: Unplugged - What? and WHY? In-Reply-To: <309FC0DF@houmg001.shl.com> from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Nov 7, 95 12:20:00 pm Message-ID: > > >"Stairway to the Stars" - done with a swing beat and add trumpets > >"She's As Beautiful as a Foot" - done rap style with added verses > >"Tattoo Vampire" - done with synths, drum machines, and special effects > >"Monsters" - done twice as fast, thrash-metal style > >"Cities on Flame" - Done with a full orchestra (main riff done by violins) > >"Dr. Music" - reggae style with bongos and marimbas > > > > > > >I think John has finally snapped!!! : } > > All but the Foot works for me. :>} > Uhh, howzabout we get Ol' Blue Eyes to do a version of "Foot" instead, with complete '40's-'50's style Nelson Riddle treatment? > >my opinion of MTV is that it is stoopid...the only thing watchable on there > >is Beavis and Butthead... > Dad-gummit, children, you keep misspelling eMpTyVee! "E" as in 'ecch', "M" as in 'moronic', "p" as in 'putrid', "t" as in 'tacky' or 'tasteless', "y" as in 'yawn', "v" as in 'vapid', "ee" as in 'bleech'! Got it? > Would Bevis and Butthead think a BOC video is "Kewl"? What other commentary > do you suppose they would add. > Well, methinks that B&B would get their jollies off of _BfY_. ("Fire, fire, huh-huh!"). As far as comments, I'd have to see one of the old BOC videos first, to refresh the memory... > >"comin' up on WROB, 40 minutes of non-stop video with Blue Oyster Cult, > Jimi > >Hendrix and Monster Magnet..." > > >ROBO > > Who would play the role of the sexy veejay co-host? > Elvira? -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Nov 7 14:22:04 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:22:04 -0500 Subject: lag? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Nov 1995, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > ObMusicalComment: Got the new Bevis Frond _Superseeder_ recently. Very > cool. Definately looking forward to his Cambridge gig on the 27th. Okay, so there's one positive recommendation for the new Bevis Frond album. But I'm afraid it takes at least two to make me break down and pay the $20 import price they're asking at the local emporium. So how about it, folks? Anyone else heard the new Bevis Frond and care to comment one way or the other? Scott?? Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _One Size Fits All_ From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Nov 7 16:33:57 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 16:33:57 -0500 Subject: HW Covers tape labels: still need a site! Message-ID: I have a "first pass" sample of a possible tape insert for Volume I of the HW Cover tape project. I/we still need a place to store it, on the 'net, so that interested souls can download and examine it. Does anybody want to put this (or any other samples) on their site? I can Email it as an attached, UUENCODEd, PKZIPped file, or I can upload it to an ftp directory somewhere. Open for suggestions. Right now the file I have is a PostScript-type print job. If you have a PostScript printer available to you, you can print out a copy of this insert yourself. No P.S. printer, no can see... For those interested, this particular draft uses one of the old T-shirt candidate images I downloaded last X-mas. This image has the word "NETHAWKS" at the top, the boc-l addy at the bottom, and in the middle is a two-headed hawk resting on a BOC symbol, on top of the Earth. Other images include a drawing from Space Ritual, and a spread-winged bird inside a black circle. There are also assorted fonts used, all included inside the print job. Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Nov 7 17:02:39 1995 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:02:39 -0800 Subject: HW Covers tape labels: still need a site! Message-ID: You wrote: > > I have a "first pass" sample of a possible tape insert for Volume I > of the HW Cover tape project. I/we still need a place to store it, > on the 'net, so that interested souls can download and examine it. > > Does anybody want to put this (or any other samples) on their site? > I've got a small amount of space available...How much total we talking? From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Tue Nov 7 16:54:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 16:54:00 -0500 Subject: New Bevis Frond Message-ID: Yes.. Yes Yes... It is indeed really good and there are several tracks where he really extends the guitar jams like the old days. I can't remember what the 16min track is, but is has a very cool 8 min freaky intro and then some serious acid guitar!! The first track (11m) with the sitar is awesome. And then you get the solid Bevis song writing to go along with it. An excellent lp... Scott From jguizar at EPIX.NET Tue Nov 7 18:05:15 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:05:15 EST Subject: Off Topic Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Nov 1995 11:03:00 GMT Andy wrote: >> Argh, I thought I just saw a reference in someone's message about >> "Come Fire Walk With Me", but hit the delete key to quick. I've been >> trying >> to find out who was playing in the bar scene (if I'm thinking of the >> same >> movie). Spacemen3 - 2:35 reminds me of it, but it's not quite the same. > >I put Angelo Badalmenti's _Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me_ soundtrack as >an ObCD - Badalamenti is one of the "Lynch mob" who has worked with David >Lynch on most of his projects. He and his band (featuring Julee Cruise) >are the band who play in the roadhouse in several TP episodes; but I'm >not so familiar with the _TP:FWWM_ movie, so I can't swear it's them >you're thinking of. I love the OST album anyway (which includes >"Sycamore Trees" from the final episode of TP). Thanks, I'll have to see if I can find the CD around and see if it's what I'm looking for. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From jguizar at EPIX.NET Tue Nov 7 18:09:05 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 18:09:05 EST Subject: FWWM Re: Off Topic Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Nov 1995 09:32:48 +0000 Tim wrote: >> Argh, I thought I just saw a reference in someone's message about >> "Come Fire Walk With Me", but hit the delete key to quick. I've been trying >> to find out who was playing in the bar scene (if I'm thinking of the same >> movie). Spacemen3 - 2:35 reminds me of it, but it's not quite the same. > >Isn't it the Thought Gang ? (Angelo B's own band) That sequence in the bar >with the strobe light and stoned out couples smooching to the pseudo-industrial >racket is a complete trip Yep, that's the scene I'm thinking of. Kind of blew my mind when I first saw it (of course, I had a little help ;) Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Nov 7 19:28:54 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 19:28:54 -0500 Subject: HW: Robert Calvert Message-ID: reply to a reply: > >BTW, the "missing" track, "The Widow's Song", which was on the lyrics >sheet but not on the LP, turned up eventually on _Friends and Relations >3_ (in a new recording?). I don't suppose it's on the CD? > >- Andy > > There is a song called The Widow Maker, if this is the song you mean, it's on there. Duane -- From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Tue Nov 7 21:04:02 1995 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Brand) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 21:04:02 -0500 Subject: One thought at a Time Today In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Nov 1995, Chip Hart wrote: > Now that the cat is out of the bag about "Career of Christmas" I > can breathe easily. Any BOC/BRAIN fan who doesn't get this is a > bonehead. Maybe the cat is out of the bag, but the only thing I know about CoC is that it exists and it has something to do with Al Bouchard. Can someone explain this? I don't want to be a bonehead... Thanks, Brand From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Tue Nov 7 14:48:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:48:00 -0500 Subject: X-Mas Lyrics! Message-ID: All, A buddy of mine got creative today when I told him about Career of Christmas, and here is the result for your reading pleasure: Career of Christmas I cut some nifty pine trees, I strung some colored lights I'll stuff some presents down your chimney tonight, chimney tonight I choose to give what you seem to want And you know that I've got some groovey stuff, it's mine for the giving I'm making a career of christmas.... Leave me some milk and cookies, I'd like to choke them down Stick something in your stocking and leave presents all around, presents all around.... I choose to give what you seem to want And you know that I've got some groovey stuff, it's mine for the giving I'm making a career of christmas.... I've got a red-nosed reindeer, I shake like a bowl full of jelly, I want to rub some giblet gravy on my belly So let's make some balls of popcorn, and drink some eggnog too reach deep into my pocket, there's something just for you, something just for you.... I choose to give what you seem to want And you know that I've got some groovey stuff, it's mine for the giving I'm making a career of christmas.... Lyrics by Richard Cummings Forwarded by TORGO Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Nov 7 21:45:23 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 21:45:23 -0500 Subject: Watt single w/D&S out yet? Message-ID: I received an actual copy of this single, color sleeve and all- which also features "E Tiket Ride" and Watt's song (not ours--written after ours) called "Big Bang Theory." Dominance" is a great version-- and all of the boc-l'ers will get a big laugh out of the "stun guitar" credit... Now I hear that this was just issued to radio stations to "promote" the Watt tour.... (that's another story). But you guys should start e-mailing Sony if you want to buy this... forget one hand of a company knowing another is up...this corporation doesn't know what's goin' on with the =fingers= on the same mitt... From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Wed Nov 8 18:08:41 1995 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:08:41 -1000 Subject: Watt single w/D&S out yet? Message-ID: >According to what Deb forwarded to us from Mike Watt, the >"E-Ticket Ride" single with "Dominance and Submission" (co-starring >the famous Brothers Bouchard) should have been released by now. >Has anyone seen it yet? As I previously mentioned, I managed to find >an import CD single which had this track, and it smokes -- if you see >this single available, by all means check it out! > >John There is an Australian release of *Piss Bottle Man* with *D & S* (credited to Watt - no mention of Al or BOC) and something called *Amnesty Report* credited to "unknown". I haven't heard it yet, but I know someone who bought it yesterday and he agrees - *D & S* smokes. No sign of *E-Ticket Ride* though. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Nov 7 23:16:46 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 05:16:46 +0100 Subject: HW: Robert Calvert Message-ID: >>. Also, I see credits for a person by the name of >> Twink, and I have seen this Twink reffered to in conversation on the >> group. Who is Twink? > >Twink Alder is an ancient drummer who's been in about a million bands, >including the Pretty Things and the Pink Fairies. Isn't he also Turner's >partner in crime on the recent "Pinkwind" affair? This Twink's also doing some tambourine on the second LP of _Space Ritual_. >BTW, the "missing" track, "The Widow's Song", which was on the lyrics >sheet but not on the LP, turned up eventually on _Friends and Relations >3_ (in a new recording?). Yes, sleeve says "Recorded 1984" > I don't suppose it's on the CD? Nope. CD is identical to vinyl. While talking C:n Lockheed, why not mention the opening track "Aerospaceage Inferno". Does it sound Lemmyish? >- Andy \\joe hawkjoe at eka.ericsson.se '...maa dina fienders skaegg vaexa inaat' From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Nov 7 23:16:40 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 05:16:40 +0100 Subject: HW: Festival poem & Palace Springs Message-ID: > >On 5 Nov 95 Dave Berry wrote about Re: HW: ALIEENN 4: > >> No-one here has mentioned Festivals yet - I like this song. The lyrics >> are basically the poem on the sleeve of Palace Springs, and the music is >> fast-paced bouncy rock. > >Hmmmm ... my copy of Palace Springs has no such poem! Could someone >who has a copy with the poem post it on the list ? > OK, My Swedish GWR CD of Palace Springs has just the "Polar Bear in a Blizzard" picture inside, but my UK GWR vinyl has this printed in the back, besides the track info: The spirit once lived In all of our hearts, A spirit of freedom, Dance, music and Arts. We gave what we could, But they wanted more. We came in peace, But left in war. A society infiltrated from the inside, Government instigators? Nowhere to hide. We have allowed it to happen, It is so very sad, Everyone is guilty, Though not everyone is bad. Those carefree days of summers past At the time seemed too good to last. But I thought that it would be destroyed, >From the outside... not from within, By the closed minded fascists, Not by our own "Kith and Kin". pretty close to the lyrics of festivals, isn't it? cheers - \\joe hawkjoe at eka.ericsson.se '...maa dina fienders skaegg vaexa inaat' From skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM Wed Nov 8 00:41:47 1995 From: skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM (Skip Galvin) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 21:41:47 -0800 Subject: Watt single w/D&S out yet? In-Reply-To: <951107214522_100764216@mail06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Nov 1995 DFrost8547 at AOL.COM wrote: > I received an actual copy of this single, color sleeve and all- which also > features "E Tiket Ride" and Watt's song (not ours--written after ours) called > "Big Bang Theory." Dominance" is a great version-- and all of the boc-l'ers > will get a big laugh out of the "stun guitar" credit... Now I hear that this > was just issued to radio stations to "promote" the Watt tour.... (that's > another story). But you guys should start e-mailing Sony if you want to buy > this... forget one hand of a company knowing another is up...this > corporation doesn't know what's goin' on with the =fingers= on the same > mitt... > What is their address? Do you think we could get it mail order or would this just be a way of "showing interest" in purchasing the single? I was hoping to pick this up domestic rather than the Swedish import w/"Piss Bottle Man". From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Nov 7 23:34:56 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 23:34:56 -0500 Subject: Motorhead BBC1 7pm Message-ID: Yes that includes shipping--- The total is $25. Make money orders payable to Albert Bouchard. And send to: Cellsum PO Box 1070 Ft George Station New York NY 10040-9998 USA Thanks for your interest! From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Nov 8 00:46:11 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 06:46:11 +0100 Subject: HW: Robert Calvert Message-ID: sorry. the last question should of course be: >While talking C:n Lockheed, why not mention the opening track >"Aerospaceage Inferno". Doesn't it sound Lemmyish? \\joe From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Nov 8 03:35:57 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 03:35:57 -0500 Subject: Unplugged - What? and WHY? Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-07 13:31:02 EST, you write: >Who would play the role of the sexy veejay co-host? Allanis Morrissette : } BOinG! ROBO From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Nov 8 04:03:16 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:03:16 +0000 Subject: (Even more) off topic-uk money? In-Reply-To: <9511071842.aa07653@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: > Not in Scotland it ain't. The *Scottish* pound is still available in > crisp green and multihued note form - easily transferrable to wallet and > pocket and absolutely no different in value to the English pound. > > The Scottish banks took account of their customers' preferences and > continued to print 'em, much to their credit and my gratitude. Skewing even further off the topic, I was somewhat bemused by an item in today's "Notes & Queries" in the Guardian newspaper. Apparently, the Recognition of Borders Act of 1772 permits the killing of any Welshman who crosses the border into England on a Friday. This law has never been repealed...... The orignal intent was to reduce the movement of untaxed goods over the borders to weekend markets; this situation was resolved by mutual taxation laws, but as the orignal law wasn't repealed it is still legal to kill Welshmen entering England on Friday!! (allegedly) Dave H From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Nov 8 04:08:29 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:08:29 +0000 Subject: BOC and Satan???? In-Reply-To: <309F65D5@osoft_nt.buckhead.com> Message-ID: > > Unconfirmed BOC rumor from the '70's: If you stared long enough at the > cover of the first album you'd see God. > Perhaps if "long enough" is taken to include "until you die"! D From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 8 06:20:16 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:20:16 GMT Subject: off topic-uk money? In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Tue, 7 Nov 1995 11:15:05 -0500 Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > >I grew up with that system: > > > >2 Farthings = 1 HalfPenny (a "Ha'penny") > >3 Pennies = 1 Thrupenny (A "Thrupenny Bit") > >6 Pennies = 1 HalfShilling (a "Tanner" or "Half a Bob") > >4 Farthings = 1 Penny > >12 Pennies = 1 Shilling (a "Bob") > >2 Shillings = 1 Florin > >2.5 Shillings = 1 Half Crown > >5 Shillings = 1 Crown > > > >FoFP > Lest we forget > 3 pennies = threpenny bit (bronze 12 -sided) There were silver Thruppenies which were round also. I think there were silver farthings too. I'm sure I have a pile of the old currency somewhere. I did my bit for deflation when we changed over. > 4 pennies = groat (rare) This is the only one I don't remember. > 6 pennies = a tanner (common) I think a tanner was my pocket money at one point in my childhood. > Martyn FoFP From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 8 07:09:18 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 07:09:18 -0500 Subject: OFFTOP: more Sundial..... Message-ID: >> Just to followup on myself - it was the _Reflector_ CD I ordered.<< jerry-don't let this album put you off-sundials albumslisted in order of greatness,least to best.imo of course. reflector libertine otherway out acid yantra return journey btw- return journey is available on cd,as are all the others. return journey- acme ac8001cd acme po box 3535 london e17 7qu england sundial info-bang music po box 2436 london nw5 2qf. uk. rjpxr5 From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 8 08:08:55 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:08:55 +0000 Subject: OFFTOP: more Sundial..... In-Reply-To: <951108070918_16191538@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "RJPXR5@AOL.COM" at Nov 8, 95 07:09:18 am Message-ID: > btw- return journey is available on cd,as are all the others. Apparently _was_ available on CD. According to Ivor and Richard at Freak Emporium the label has run out and doesn't plan to repress "for a while" (ie. possibly ever, IMHO). _Return Journey_ and _Other Way Out_ are the ones affected by this. _Acid Yantra_ is new, and can be found even in some shops (even in _Cambridge_ ;). I haven't seen _Refelctor_ or _Libertine_ in the UK, but they were not impossible to find in Boston MA, indeed I could have easily found several copies of each shortly before I left in September. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 8 08:49:19 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:49:19 +0000 Subject: HW: HW Merchandise address prob? Message-ID: Hey I just got a letter I sent to the HW Merchandising address listed (among other places) in _Alien 4_ returned to me with a cryptic note from the post office I _think_ indicating that they didn't believe in this address ... Has anyone else had this problem? Has Dave forgotten to pay for his PO Box this month? Any clues? Cheers, Carl From bedens at INTELLINET.COM Wed Nov 8 07:54:01 1995 From: bedens at INTELLINET.COM (Bert Edens) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 07:54:01 -0500 Subject: X-Mas Lyrics! Message-ID: >I want to rub some giblet gravy on my belly I dunno, Torgo, I'd be worried about this friend of yours... :) >So let's make some balls of popcorn, and drink some eggnog too >reach deep into my pocket, there's something just for you, >something just for you.... Hmmm... Kris Kringle the Pervert... Great concept... :-) - Bert +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bert Edens - bedens at intellinet.com | | http://www.intellinet.com/~bedens/home.html | +------------------------------------------------------------+ | And he was talking 'fore I knew it, and as he grew, | | He'd say, "I'm gonna be like you, dad. | | You know I'm gonna be like you." | | - Harry Chapin "Cat's In The Cradle" | +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Are you a baseball statistic nut? Ask me about Retrosheet! | +------------------------------------------------------------+ From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Wed Nov 8 07:58:58 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 07:58:58 EST Subject: Sensitive to Criticizm? Message-ID: In a previous post, Chip writes: >>>>>>stuff snipped<<<<<<< (remember how personally Al took criticism way back when) >>>>>>stuff snipped<<<<<<< Chip, I'm using your quote as an example, this post is not meant to flame you. Ok, I know I've only been around this list a few months, but this is the second time that I've seen a reference to such a thing. The first time was during the AOL debate when it concerned someone else. So I'm reading these things where both a former member and a current member of BOC are sensitive to criticism on an e-mail list. Is this a reasonable representation of the situation? If it is, then I have a few thoughts: First, I wonder if this is really true. I'm having trouble accepting that any celebrity in the public domain is really affected by criticism here, or anywhere else for that matter. They know that it goes with the territory, and that it is the price of fame and success. I'll bet they're laughing all the way to the bank, and MORE POWER TO THEM. (I have to smile when I consider whether Eric or Al or any other celebrity really gives a rat's ass what I think, or what Chip thinks, or what AB thinks, or what Torgo thinks....etc.) I express my opinion of someone's talent with my wallet, and not my keyboard. Put out a good product and I'll buy it (diaper budget allowing). Doesn't matter if its buying a CD, or going to a movie, or anything else for that matter. I know, I know.......someone's going to say that this is a different situation because current and former BOC members are "in touch" with their fans in cyberspace. To which I say...yeah, so what? I think its awesome that they take the time to communicate with the fans. Its a rarity indeed for any public figure to be so "down to earth" and keep tabs on their fans (of which I'm one, don't forget). But do they really care what we SAY? I think it matters more to them what we BUY. The other argument is going to be "but we as fans can influence their future releases by stating our likes and dislikes." To which I say...oh really, does that include new BOC material? To illustrate this, lets hypothetically say that I (Dr. Bob) am a public figure. So 5 people think I have no talent and send "hate mail" (and 1 of them probably bought my product anyway), but 10 people buy my product and say nothing. Am I really gonna give a damn what those first 5 people say to me? I think not. They're just bad apples in a good barrel. That's life. This is just my view on things. It just really bugs me when I see comments about "so and so was insulted by comments on the list" (no offense, Chip). I reiterate that I find it hard to believe that someone in the cut-throat world of entertainment has such a thin skin that comments from here are going to hurt them. If a person really wanted to hurt a celebrity, they would refrain from buying their product. In closing, lets just assume that I'm wrong (which I don't think I am), and that a celebrity IS shallow enough to be affected by written criticism from cyberspace. Well then, he/she ought to get professional help because they have a few problems, perhaps a personality disorder. BTW, I'm accepting new patients :-) -Dr. Bob rkohl at state.de.us (expressing his opinions of celebrities' talents by having just purchased tix for an upcoming BOC gig, purchasing the Sony 3 pack, and due to order BS's Trepanations) P.S.-If someone sees fit to post this on AOL, that's OK with me. From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Wed Nov 8 09:30:48 1995 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:30:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Festival poem & Palace Springs Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-07 23:19:10 EST, you write: > No-one here has mentioned Festivals yet - I like this song. The lyrics >>> are basically the poem on the sleeve of Palace Springs Ahhh this poem again:-) A good friend of mine asked Chadwick about the significance of this poem. Chadwick pensivley replied that 'the poem is something from the past-that members of HW will not discuss. It was a painful time for the band'. Can anyone shed any light on this topic. regards, Bill Stewart obcd: Levellers--Levelling the land Tull-------Roots to branches From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Wed Nov 8 09:42:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:42:00 GMT Subject: HW: HW Merchandise address prob? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Has anyone else had this problem? Has Dave forgotten to pay for > his PO Box this month? Any clues? Wouldn't be at all surprised... I take it it's not a misprint? Like when Brian Tawn's address was printed wrong on early copies of _Live 1979_ (that's how to spot if you've got a rarity :), and some bloke down his street got all the Hawkfan mail? - Andy From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Wed Nov 8 09:53:23 1995 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:53:23 -0500 Subject: New Ozrics Message-ID: Two words: KICKS ASS! David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) A cold winter's night, quiet and black. There's no-one but us, And the whole world stands back while we lose ourselves in stories we tell. Suddenly everything changes, as we open doors into a different world. Everything that I knew seems to become untrue, and the sky changes colours >>From grey into blue. "Under Skies of Blue" - EVERON From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 8 10:00:41 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:00:41 EST Subject: Sensitive to Criticizm? Message-ID: > > First, I wonder if this is really true. I'm having trouble accepting that > any celebrity in the public domain is really affected by criticism here, or > anywhere else for that matter. They know that it goes with the territory, > and that it is the price of fame and success. I'll bet they're laughing all > the way to the bank, and MORE POWER TO THEM. (I have to smile when I consider > whether Eric or Al or any other celebrity really gives a rat's ass what I > think, or what Chip thinks, or what AB thinks, or what Torgo thinks....etc.) > > I express my opinion of someone's talent with my wallet, and not my keyboard. > Put out a good product and I'll buy it (diaper budget allowing). Doesn't > matter if its buying a CD, or going to a movie, or anything else for that > matter. > > I know, I know.......someone's going to say that this is a different > situation because current and former BOC members are "in touch" with their > fans in cyberspace. To which I say...yeah, so what? I think its awesome > that they take the time to communicate with the fans. Its a rarity indeed > for any public figure to be so "down to earth" and keep tabs on their fans > (of which I'm one, don't forget). But do they really care what we SAY? I > think it matters more to them what we BUY. > > The other argument is going to be "but we as fans can influence their future > releases by stating our likes and dislikes." To which I say...oh really, > does that include new BOC material? > > This is just my view on things. It just really bugs me when I see comments > about "so and so was insulted by comments on the list" (no offense, Chip). I > reiterate that I find it hard to believe that someone in the cut-throat world > of entertainment has such a thin skin that comments from here are going to > hurt them. If a person really wanted to hurt a celebrity, they would refrain > from buying their product. > > > -Dr. Bob > rkohl at state.de.us > (expressing his opinions of celebrities' talents by having just purchased tix > for an upcoming BOC gig, purchasing the Sony 3 pack, and due to order BS's > Trepanations) > > P.S.-If someone sees fit to post this on AOL, that's OK with me. Bob, Amen and a fine bit of cogent writing. First of all, I think that human nature might allow even seasoned music veterans to harbor a bit of resentment over our comments. That's normal. However, I think it's a pretty wee bit indeed. The time for a thin skin is earlier in a celeb's career when they're really taking a pounding in print (commensurate with their degree of fame/wealth/celebrity) The Oysters are old enough and been in the biz long enough and taken way more shit from bigger folks than us to allow anything we might say to bum them out too much. I do think, though, that the band might take our words to heart just a bit more 'cause they know we're rabid fans (or we wouldn't be on the net in the first place). So, while bands can certainly dismiss hate mail of the kind your scenario envisions, I think criticism from BOC-L may carry just the least bit more weight. Furthermore, the criticisms leveled in this forum (and I've made a few, sorry Albert--didn't know you cared, I love you, you're the greatest!!!) have been so apologetic and caring that I don't see how anyone could be too offended. I think I once criticized Albert's 'Zilla drum solo, but then turned around and said that I thought he was among the top drummers ever to pound. Nobody flamed me for it. By the tone of the few criticisms out here, it's obvious that the fans really care about the band, and I think that Albert and Eric are certainly intelligent enough to see it. Maybe they neglect the airwaves simply because these guys are so damned busy. They spend a lot of time traveling, doing soundchecks, doing radio appearances, jamming, playing gigs. It's not a 9-5 job. Could be their perceived disdain for BOC-L is nothing more than a tight schedule. As you said, Bob, we should be glad to have the cyberspace connection. I'd have given anything for such an opportunity 20 years ago when BOC ruled the world... theo From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Nov 8 10:03:17 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:03:17 -0500 Subject: HW: Robert Calvert In-Reply-To: <199511080028.AA25825@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Nov 7, 95 07:28:54 pm Message-ID: > > reply to a reply: > > > > >BTW, the "missing" track, "The Widow's Song", which was on the lyrics > >sheet but not on the LP, turned up eventually on _Friends and Relations > >3_ (in a new recording?). I don't suppose it's on the CD? > > > >- Andy > > > > > There is a song called The Widow Maker, if this is the song you mean, it's on > there. > Duane > > -- > No "Widow Maker" is not the same as "The Widow's Song". "WM" is a rocky, up-tempo, snarled "lovesong" to the F-104 Starfighter. "TWS" is a mournful ballad that SHOULD be included on a re-issue of "CL&TSF". Historical note; the 104 was designed to be an interceptor and most services that used it (Italian, Greek, Turkish, Japan to name a few outside of the USAF) in that role exclusively. The reborn Luftwaffe decided to use the airframe for roles it was never designed for, which is why they lost so damn many of them. Kinda like using a Corvette to haul concrete blocks around in, if ya get my drift! Personally, the 104, along with most of the '50's-era aircraft, is one of my favorite aircraft, from a design factor. Craig (one of whose biggest avaition thrills was watching an SR-71 do touch & goes at McClellan AFB in 1984) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Wed Nov 8 08:52:26 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 08:52:26 EST Subject: R&R Hall of Fame Message-ID: Just checked out a web site for the R&R Hall of Fame. In case anyone's interested, its at http://www.rockhall.com Apparently, the site is operated by a newspaper with approval of the museum, so its not necessarily an "official" museum web site. So, does anyone have a better web page address for the museum? I'd appreciate the info. since I couldn't find anything. BTW, the most useful info. to me on the site I checked was the criteria for induction. "An artist is elegible for nomination 25 years after the release of their first recording." The 1996 inductees were just announced. Hmmm...maybe BOC in 1997? It could happen. Also, the only info. this page had on BOC was birth dates of band members. I was dismayed not to find any BOC songs on the list of "Top 500 most Influential Songs of All Time." Some of the ones on there are a joke. Anyway, the site is worth checking out anyway. Maybe this thread came up some time ago and someone can fill me in. -Dr. Bob rkohl at state.de.us From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Nov 8 10:09:54 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:09:54 -0500 Subject: New Ozrics In-Reply-To: <9511081453.AA08516@pharlap.ci.com> from "David B. Kuznick" at Nov 8, 95 09:53:23 am Message-ID: > > Two words: > > KICKS ASS! > > David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) > A cold winter's night, quiet and black. There's no-one but us, > And the whole world stands back while we lose ourselves in stories we tell. > Suddenly everything changes, as we open doors into a different world. > Everything that I knew seems to become untrue, and the sky changes colours > >From grey into blue. "Under Skies of Blue" - EVERON > Uhh, David, ol' chum, could you be a little more descriptive? Most of us poor sods in the Ewe-Ess haven't seen hide 'ner hair of this beastie yet, especially down here in the South. Is this the rumoured US release or didja get a You-Kay release. Details, man, details! If this is a US release, I know where I'm going to at lunch time (No, not Hooters! Anyhow, they have been replaced with Taco Mac; any place with 100 beers on tap is aces in my book! 'Nother 400 or so in the coolers!). Can we at least have the CD length, number of songs, titles, personel line- up, PLEEZE?? -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Nov 8 10:19:33 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:19:33 -0500 Subject: R&R Hall of Fame Message-ID: >Just checked out a web site for the R&R Hall of Fame. In case anyone's >interested, its at http://www.rockhall.com I don't know if I'm the only one but the concept of a R&R hall of fame makes me gag almost as much as music awards shows. Martyn From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed Nov 8 10:32:27 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:32:27 GMT Subject: HW: Festival poem & Palace Springs Message-ID: > > > No-one here has mentioned Festivals yet - I like this song. The lyrics > >>> are basically the poem on the sleeve of Palace Springs > > Ahhh this poem again:-) A good friend of mine asked Chadwick about the > significance of this poem. Chadwick pensivley replied that 'the poem is > something from the past-that members of HW will not discuss. It was a painful > time for the band'. > Can anyone shed any light on this topic. > My guess is that it is something to do with the band's bus getting trashed by a vicious group of travellers called the "Brew Crew" at a free-festival near Brighton in the eighties. I gather this is why they haven't played many free-festivals since, but I don't know exact details of what happened that day. bye - Rob From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Wed Nov 8 10:53:17 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:53:17 -0500 Subject: R&R HofF Message-ID: Dr Bob says: >Also, the only info. this page had on BOC was birth dates of band members. I >was dismayed not to find any BOC songs on the list of "Top 500 most >Influential Songs of All Time." Some of the ones on there are a joke. >Anyway, the site is worth checking out anyway. Well, for those of us poor souls who can't check it out, How about posting full birthday info here? Thanks. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 8 12:47:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:47:00 PST Subject: R&R Hall of Fame Message-ID: >Just checked out a web site for the R&R Hall of Fame. In case anyone's >interested, its at http://www.rockhall.com > I don't know if I'm the only one but the concept of a R&R >hall of fame makes me gag almost as much as music awards shows. >Martyn I tend to agree with Martyn, if you look at every hall of fame/ awards recognition ceremonies it seems that the choices are either made by members of the industry or those who profess to be experts on the industry. Where does the average person fit into this? How can BOC not have a single song in the top 500 of all time, what was the criteria, record sales? Its ludicrous. Saw a Heavy Metal Music mag that listed the top 100 heavy metal songs of all time and BOC was represented once ("zilla) and it was in the middle of the pack, while other artist were represented on more than one occassion. It would be nice to go through the place and See Chuck Berry's guitar, John Lennons Sgt Pepper suit or what not, put I think the name of this place and the others (football, baseball, etc.) should simply be titled museums. A($0.1 too broke for another)B From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Nov 8 11:01:37 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:01:37 GMT Subject: R&R Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:19:33 -0500 Message-ID: > I don't know if I'm the only one but the concept of a R&R > hall of fame makes me gag almost as much as music awards shows. I think that rock music is now so mainstream and so corporate in nature that any suggestion that it is in any way "underground" or "rebellious" is just a pretence. So it makes sod all difference to me whether people create another R&R hall of fame or not. The cutting edge and the radical musics are elsewhere, these days. Dave. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 8 11:05:19 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:05:19 EST Subject: R&R Hall of Fame Message-ID: > Subject: Re: R&R Hall of Fame > To: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L > X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 > > >Just checked out a web site for the R&R Hall of Fame. In case anyone's > >interested, its at http://www.rockhall.com > > I don't know if I'm the only one but the concept of a R&R > hall of fame makes me gag almost as much as music awards shows. > > Martyn Martyn, Straight up to that! Or any awards citing artistic achievement, c.f. Oscars etc. Who was a better composer, Mozart or Chopin, was Monet a better painter that Van Gogh...Who gives a shit? It's not about who's the best. They're all good. If not then we don't listen. Also, and especially repugnant, is the idea that Rock music can now be legitimized. The best thing about rock music is that it started on the fringes, became (at least a little bit) revolutionary, and wass the eternal outlet for the young and young feeling, people who don't need establishment approval. Better to have the mainstream asshole hate us rockers. Suits me just fine! ted From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Nov 8 11:40:18 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:40:18 -0500 Subject: R&R Hall of Fame Message-ID: >I think that rock music is now so mainstream and so corporate in nature Good point. I was talking to someone yesterday who works at a local rock radio station. He had a pretty good taste in music but was restricted in the choice of what he could play by a computer-generated play list from marketing people. The 90s are just the 60s turned upside down Martyn From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 8 12:53:46 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:53:46 -0500 Subject: Watt single w/D&S out yet? Message-ID: Hey, would someone be willing to post the credits? Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find this single yet, and the "import" one that I have lists no credits for "Dominance and Submission". John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 8 12:55:55 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:55:55 -0500 Subject: Watt single w/D&S out yet? Message-ID: Pete says: There is an Australian release of *Piss Bottle Man* with *D & S* (credited to Watt - no mention of Al or BOC) and something called *Amnesty Report* credited to "unknown". I haven't heard it yet, but I know someone who bought it yesterday and he agrees - *D & S* smokes. This sounds like the "Swedish" import that I have, but it has Piss-Bottle Man, Dominance, and Big Train -- and there are no credits for Dominance and Submission. But yeah, the track is great. Back in Nineteen, Ninety three, John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 8 13:22:04 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:22:04 -0500 Subject: Sensitive to Criticizm? Message-ID: Dr. Bob writes: >This is just my view on things. It just really bugs me when I see comments about "so and so was insulted by comments on the list" (no offense, Chip). I reiterate that I find it hard to believe that someone in the cut-throat world of entertainment has such a thin skin that comments from here are going to hurt them. If a person really wanted to hurt a celebrity, they would refrain from buying their product. Well, others may disagree, but I'm of the opinion that we should all be sensitive to other people's opinions, celebrities or not. Perhaps there is some opinion that we should not try to offend those considered celebrities here on the list, not because we don't feel that they can't take criticism or whatever, but because we feel that we don't want them to leave the list -- now these celebrities are people just like you and me, but perhaps because they are celebrities, people on the list might be more dissappointed to seem them leave the list rather than you or I. This is just a theory on my part, and I'm not trying to imply that I would refrain from insulting someone on the list for such reasons -- however, I may not be a good person to test the theory on because I don't typically try to insult anybody on the list. John From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 8 15:11:46 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:11:46 -0500 Subject: Watt single w/D&S out yet? Message-ID: I think John Swartz posted a Sony e-mail address some time ago. Perhaps he can do it again. Thanks. From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 8 15:12:19 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:12:19 -0500 Subject: Watt Credits Message-ID: Credits as they appear on the color single sleeve Side One: E Ticket Ride Watt: Bass Mike D: Singer Stephen Perkins: Drums, Perussion (1st Part) Tony Atherton: Alto Sax Coco Hayley Gordon Moore: Wail Flea: Lead Bass John Molo: Drums (2nd part) Vince Meghrouni: Perussion (2nd part) Backup singer Side Two: (Both cuts are starred as "Previously Unreleased") The Big Bang Theory Watt: Bass Frank Black: Singer J Mascis: Lead Guitar Todd Rigione: Rhythm Guitar Brock Avery: Drums Dominance and Submission Watt: Bass + "Submission" Spiel Albert Bouchard: Singer, Guitar, Drums, Backup Singer Joe Bouchard: Piano, Backup Singer Chris Whitley: Slide Guitar Peter Fletcher: Stun Guitar Jim Dunbar: Radios Appear Spiel From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 8 15:12:35 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:12:35 -0500 Subject: R&R Hall of Fame Message-ID: The 90s are just the 60s turned upside down- think I may have to borrow this, if you don't mind. Blame Steve Swann. (Again). --DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 8 15:12:36 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:12:36 -0500 Subject: R&R Hall of Fame Message-ID: The 90s are just the 60s turned upside down! I love it so much I think I may have to borrow it , if you don't mind. Blame Steve Swann. (Again). --DF From chip at PCC.COM Wed Nov 8 15:29:06 1995 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:29:06 -0500 Subject: Sensitive to Criticizm? In-Reply-To: <199511081822.NAA25550@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Nov 8, 95 01:22:04 pm Message-ID: > This is just my view on things. It just really bugs me when I see comments > about "so and so was insulted by comments on the list" (no offense, Chip). For the record, I don't recall saying anything along these lines at all, so I'm not offended. As far as making public announcements that you may have stolen from those people who are the direct source of the interests of this list, that's another story (not trying to pick a fight, just stating my case). I couldn't care less who is famous and who is not. I *do* care about getting more music from certain parties, however. I am delighted to take it to private email, my address is below. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8177 From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 8 17:45:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:45:00 PST Subject: Watt Credits Message-ID: >Albert Bouchard: Singer, Guitar, Drums, Backup Singer >Joe Bouchard: Piano, Backup Singer Is there anything musically speaking that the Bouchards cannot do? >Peter Fletcher: Stun Guitar Another stun guitarist! Quick who's better Eric or Peter? >Jim Dunbar: Radios Appear Spiel Ah but did he sound like true Radios Appear Speiler? Can someone post a mini review on Watts D&S? From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 8 17:51:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:51:00 PST Subject: Watt single w/D&S out yet? Message-ID: >I think John Swartz posted a Sony e-mail address some time ago. Perhaps he >can do it again. >Thanks. Sony = http://www.music.sony.com/Music/MusicIndex.html Sony's BOC page =http://www.music.sony.com/Music/ArtistInfo/BOC/MapStart.html From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 8 16:32:20 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:32:20 -0500 Subject: Watt single w/D&S out yet? Message-ID: Well, I don't have an e-mail address, but I do have the web address for Sony, and from there you can send them e-mail. The main Sony web page is: http://www.music.sony.com and if you want to write to them go to: http://www.music.sony.com/Music/forms/DearSonyMusic.html John From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Wed Nov 8 16:45:18 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:45:18 -0500 Subject: heavy metal in theaters!! Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Nov 1995 mike psyche wrote: > i always thought that fire of unknown origin was made to be the full > soundtrack for this movie not just veterans.. That is absolutly right! Originally the HM people asked us to do the whole soundtrack with between 5-7 songs and the rest would be Elmer Bernstein. Then it was Vet and DTYB. Then just Vet. Al From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Wed Nov 8 16:45:41 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:45:41 -0500 Subject: BOC: Lillian Roxon on BOC Message-ID: Hi Peter: > I have two questions. > Firstly, are the chain drum sticks the ones that went into the Hall > of Fame? ;-) Secondly, the B side to the single Cities on Flame with Rock > and Roll (12/71) is given as something called _Trust Me_. Can > anyone enlighten me on what this is? The hall of fame sticks are actually the sticks I have been using for the past 5 years or so. The chain sticks were actually something Eyes did but not in a drum solo. He had a dog collar choke chain that he used to swing around on stage and he would hit a guitar or a cymbal with it for a visual effect. He also used to whip his mic stand until that day when he pulled it back and hit himself in the nose with the mic and gave himself a bloody nose. That was the end of the chain. That single was a special promo single (much like the Mike Watt single of "Dominance and Submission") that Columbia put out to promote the band. "Trust Me" is some other group. Al From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Wed Nov 8 16:45:55 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:45:55 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Career of Christmas Message-ID: > Career of Christmas - CoC > > You sure this isn't an obscure HP Lovecraft reference Al ? ;) Yes, but not intentional. Al From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed Nov 8 19:15:38 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 19:15:38 EST Subject: HW: HW Merchandise address prob? Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:49:19 +0000 you wrote: > Hey I just got a letter I sent to the HW Merchandising address >listed (among other places) in _Alien 4_ returned to me with a cryptic >note from the post office I _think_ indicating that they didn't believe >in this address ... > Has anyone else had this problem? Has Dave forgotten to pay for >his PO Box this month? Any clues? > >Cheers, >Carl Can you tell me what the note says (or looks like)? If he just recently gave up his P.O. Box, they should've had him fill out a change of address and forwarded any 1st and 2nd class mail to his new address for 1 yr. If he let his P.O. Box rent expire, they should have an address on file (you have to provide a physical address before being able to rent one), that doesn't mean he didn't move since renting the box. Around here, they'll usually hang on to 1st class mail for a few weeks before sending it back - in case the person is away on vacation or something and forgot about paying. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed Nov 8 19:18:22 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 19:18:22 EST Subject: OFFTOP: more Sundial..... Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:08:55 +0000 Carl wrote: >> btw- return journey is available on cd,as are all the others. > > Apparently _was_ available on CD. According to Ivor and Richard >at Freak Emporium the label has run out and doesn't plan to repress "for >a while" (ie. possibly ever, IMHO). _Return Journey_ and _Other Way Out_ >are the ones affected by this. _Acid Yantra_ is new, and can be found >even in some shops (even in _Cambridge_ ;). I haven't seen _Refelctor_ >or _Libertine_ in the UK, but they were not impossible to find in >Boston MA, indeed I could have easily found several copies of each shortly >before I left in September. I have _Reflector_ coming from CDnow and I saw _Acid Yantra_ listed there too (one under Sundial and the other Sun Dial). I think I picked up _Fazer_ from them or CD Connection. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed Nov 8 19:24:58 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 19:24:58 EST Subject: OFFTOP: more Sundial..... Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Nov 1995 07:09:18 -0500 RJPXR5 wrote: >>> Just to followup on myself - it was the _Reflector_ CD I ordered.<< >jerry-don't let this album put you off-sundials albumslisted in order >of greatness,least to best.imo of course. >reflector >libertine >otherway out >acid yantra >return journey What about the CDS _Fazer_? If you've seen some of the lists of music I listen to, it's pretty hard for me to get put off - at least not without listening to three or four albums. I usually browse the music newsgroups reading the descriptions of different bands and looking to see which albums people prefer and go for them first. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 8 12:16:10 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 17:16:10 GMT Subject: gifs? Message-ID: Has anyone scanned in the cover of Alien4 yet? Mike "Need new screen background" Holmes From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 8 11:51:41 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 16:51:41 GMT Subject: HW: Festival poem & Palace Springs In-Reply-To: Bill Stewart's message of Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:30:48 -0500 Message-ID: Bill Stewart writes: > In a message dated 95-11-07 23:19:10 EST, you write: > > > No-one here has mentioned Festivals yet - I like this song. The lyrics > >>> are basically the poem on the sleeve of Palace Springs > > Ahhh this poem again:-) A good friend of mine asked Chadwick about the > significance of this poem. Chadwick pensivley replied that 'the poem is > something from the past-that members of HW will not discuss. It was a painful > time for the band'. > Can anyone shed any light on this topic. Don't have my copy handy. What were the lyrics again? FoFP From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 8 14:04:33 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 19:04:33 GMT Subject: New Ozrics In-Reply-To: David B. Kuznick's message of Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:53:23 -0500 Message-ID: > Two words: > > KICKS ASS! > Yep! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Nov 8 20:59:55 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 20:59:55 -0500 Subject: HW: Tape cover available for your perusal Message-ID: Captain Cloud et al have now completed a draft version of the cassette inlay for the Hawkwind covers project. It's now available for perusal by interested parties via anonymous ftp from csgrad.cs.vt.edu. To obtain a copy, ftp to csgrad.cs.vt.edu (128.173.41.41) and log in as "anonymous". Once logged in, "cd pub/boc-l" to get to the directory the file is in. It is stored as a ~470K .ZIP file called "hwcover1.zip" (remember to set binary mode when transferring). After ftp'ing it to your machine, unzip the file to get a copy of the (approximately 1.31MB) PostScript file comprising the inlay. You can view this using a PostScript previewer such as GhostScript, or by sending the file to a PostScript printer. I'll try and whip up a WWW page tomorrow so users that have trouble ftp'ing can download it via the WWW. Let me know if there are problems. Cheers, Paul. obGig: _Jesus Christ Superstar_, Burruss Hall, Virginia Tech. From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Wed Nov 8 22:08:59 1995 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 19:08:59 -0800 Subject: HW: Tape cover available for your perusal Message-ID: > >Captain Cloud et al have now completed a draft version of the cassette >inlay for the Hawkwind covers project. It's now available for perusal by >interested parties via anonymous ftp from csgrad.cs.vt.edu. It also resides (along with my catalog :)), at ftp.netcom.com /pub/ba/bananamoon. Wylie From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Nov 8 22:39:02 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 22:39:02 EST Subject: HW: Tape cover available for your perusal Message-ID: Special thanks to both Paul and Wylie for offering up some publicly available disk space for storing the sample HW Cover Tape insert. After my initial plea produced no response, we now have twice the resources! The file is a PostScript print job. I can also produce a PDF version of the same for anyone who has an Adobe Acrobat Reader (this Reader is freely available for all platforms from http://www.adobe.com/) Let me know if this is desired. As far as this label goes, this is the first pass. We can change any part of it. We can make the inserts for the second and third tapes similar or identical in format, or we can produce some other designs for something completely different. We're flexible. :-) Any and all comments/flames :-) are accepted, public and private. Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Nov 8 22:55:22 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 22:55:22 -0500 Subject: ALIEENNss land in United States! Message-ID: (also known as the Goldmine Report) Ordered my copy of ALIEN4 from Mike Coleman at Delta Wave tonight, to the tune of $24 +p&h. He has them in his hands right now. Spotted two different companies in newest Goldmine listing ALIEN4. Worldwide CD and Thoughtscape Sounds, both also for $24. Noticed that Sprockets/Music Broker is listing new Ozrics for $22. Phone (313) 284 - 2212. This was the best place to get Ozrics over here for a long time. Noticed at least 2 places carrying Bevis "Superseeder" for $18. Place called Jack Wolak's Rare Necessities was selling a bunch of HW 45s, as follows: HW Motorhead (Flicknife 1981) $12 HW Motorway City $10 HW Night of the Hawks $12 HW Shot Down in the Night $12 HW Silver Machine (live) 1972 $15 HW Zarozinia $12 Hawkwind and Co. Your Last Chance $15 I've never dealt with this guy. Phone: (315) 452 - 1355 Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Nov 8 23:01:27 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 23:01:27 -0500 Subject: Looking for Hassan 7" and Japan LPs Message-ID: While speaking to my friend Mike Coleman tonight, he mentioned that he is particularly looking for a few items. He offered to buy or make a beaucoup trade for any of the following: HW Hassan i Sahba 7" (Italian) HW Hassan i Sahba 7" (French) HW Japanese pressing LPs Oh yeah, he's also looking for one of the first pressing digipaks of ALIEN4 (recently discussed here), but not as badly. Anyways, if any of ya'll just happen to have an extra copy of one of the above laying around and are willing to part with it, give him a call at (214) 991 - 6621. Captain Cloud From skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM Thu Nov 9 02:15:10 1995 From: skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM (Skip Galvin) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 23:15:10 -0800 Subject: Sensitive to Criticizm? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dr. Bob writes: So I'm reading these things where both a former member and a current member of BOC are sensitive to criticism on an e-mail list. Is this a reasonable representation of the situation? If it is, then I have a few thoughts: First, I wonder if this is really true. I'm having trouble accepting that any celebrity in the public domain is really affected by criticism here, or anywhere else for that matter. They know that it goes with the territory, and that it is the price of fame and success. I'll bet they're laughing all the way to the bank, and MORE POWER TO THEM. (I have to smile when I consider whether Eric or Al or any other celebrity really gives a rat's ass what I think, or what Chip thinks, or what AB thinks, or what Torgo thinks....etc.)" I tend to think celebrities are affected by criticism. Some of them may learn that it comes with the territory but you can't go to a school to learn these things. An artist puts his ass on the line, it's a risky venture. I don't think you can take the bottom-line only approach of a businessman. Even Bill Gates, a man with some spare change, gets a bit defensive when criticized for being a better businessman than innovator. I would think a celebrity/artist needs a strong support group of friends and family to deal with the BS I'm sure it has got to be a little rough having somebody tell you "hey, you were great on that one tv show in the late 70's but your a has-been now and your new acting gig will go nowhere" The dark side of the entertainment business is littered with casualties. People who were stars ten years ago, loved by everyone, including their agent and manager who do laugh-everytime "they" go to the bank. after they've been around awhile. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 8 14:23:10 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 19:23:10 +0000 Subject: HW: Festival poem & Palace Springs In-Reply-To: <951108093040_16259050@mail06.mail.aol.com> from "Bill Stewart" at Nov 8, 95 09:30:48 am Message-ID: > > No-one here has mentioned Festivals yet - I like this song. The lyrics > >>> are basically the poem on the sleeve of Palace Springs > > Ahhh this poem again:-) A good friend of mine asked Chadwick about the > significance of this poem. Chadwick pensivley replied that 'the poem is > something from the past-that members of HW will not discuss. It was a painful > time for the band'. Strange then, that it should appear as lyrics on the new album!? > obcd: Levellers--Levelling the land Ah, and the new one, _Zeitgeist_, is not at all bad, and a significant improvement on the followup to _LtL_, which was _Levellers. Cheers, Carl From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Thu Nov 9 07:32:42 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 07:32:42 -0500 Subject: Sensitive to Criticizm? Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Nov 1995 Dr Bob wrote: > > First, I wonder if this is really true. I'm having trouble > > accepting that any celebrity in the public domain is really affected > > by criticism here, or anywhere else for that matter. They know that I believe that acknowledging a need for improvement is important in creating great art. You can't let it destroy the good things, that's all. > > success. I'll bet they're laughing all the way to the bank, and I can't speak for EB but money is not a big motivation to me. > > MORE POWER TO THEM. (I have to smile when I consider whether Eric or > > Al or any other celebrity really gives a rat's ass what I think, or > > what Chip thinks, or what AB thinks, or what Torgo thinks....etc.) I do, but more as a group than as individuals. > > I express my opinion of someone's talent with my wallet, and not > > my keyboard. I'd say that's an excellent way to express it! > > Put out a good product and I'll buy it (diaper budget al > > lowing). Doesn't matter if its buying a CD, or going to a movie, or > > anything else for that matter. Just don't bootleg a tape of it. OK? Surgeons policy is, it's OK to tape a live show (ya paid yer moneys ya makes yer tape) and I guess any music that's not commercially available if you can get your hands on it is OK too (I've got a couple hours of Beatles out-takes that I love). If we've taken the time and substantial trouble to make the whole package excellent, you should honor that but paying what we feel is a reasonable amount to purchase said product. We're not trying to get rich. We're just trying not to go broke. > > The other argument is going to be "but we as fans can influence > > their future releases by stating our likes and dislikes." To which > > I say...oh really, does that include new BOC material? I'm not going to let anyone's apathy affect my recording plans but any true BOC fan should really check out Trepanation. Don't hold out for a "new" BOC album. You know what they say about a bird in the hand. > > (expressing his opinions of celebrities' talents by having > > just purchased tix for an upcoming BOC gig, purchasing the Sony 3 > > pack, and due to order BS's Trepanations) I've gotta plug this Watt cover. I just heard it Monday and I think it's hysterial! I'm not sure where you might find it. I guess it's a vinyl 45 only. I got my copy from Columbia. It's not disrespectful but he does some mind- boggelling changes to it. Then Ted O. Jackson wrote: > be too offended. I think I once criticized Albert's 'Zilla drum solo, > but then turned around and said that I thought he was among the > top drummers ever to pound. I have a confession to make. Most drum solos I find kind of boring. So I can honestly say I haven't played two the same in 25 years. Consequently some are better than others. I'll cop to that. I wouldn't even care if you said you hate all drum solos. I'd just think we're on different wave-lengths. Then John Swartz wrote: > Well, others may disagree, but I'm of the opinion that we should all > be sensitive to other people's opinions, celebrities or not. Perhaps > there is some opinion that we should not try to offend those considered > celebrities here on the list, not because we don't feel that they can't > take criticism or whatever, but because we feel that we don't want them > to leave the list -- now these celebrities are people just like you and > me, but perhaps because they are celebrities, people on the list might > be more dissappointed to seem them leave the list rather than you or I. Well I said before when I joined the list and which I'll repeat for the sake of any of the 'newbies' that if many people feel that I'm inhibiting their free expression then I'll piss-off (in the continental sense). This forum is for the free exchange of ideas about Hawkwind and BOC. I find it entertaining and I have no interest in a BOC or Al love-fest. That would be embarassing and unnecessary. On the other hand, the few personal attacks we've had on here made me a little uncomfortable so if we're nice and civil it makes it more fun. Also what makes it more fun is if we can all have a sense of humor about our discussions. Let's not be TOO serious about all this. OK? Al From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Nov 9 07:55:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:55:00 GMT Subject: R&R Hall of Fame Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Also, the only info. this page had on BOC was birth dates of band > members. I > was dismayed not to find any BOC songs on the list of "Top 500 most > Influential Songs of All Time." Some of the ones on there are a joke. Oh I don't know, it seemed sound enough to me. I would have pressed for a little more Doors ("LA Woman", maybe), and Springsteen's "Thunder Road", but was very pleased to see Patti Smith's "Gloria" in there (and surprised too, 'cause I expected "Because the Night" instead). What BOC did you expect? You could maybe make a case for "Reaper", but that's about it. - Andy From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Nov 9 08:28:10 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:28:10 -0500 Subject: Watt Credits Message-ID: Adrian asked for a mini-review of the Watt/Bouchard (if you look at the credits, you'll see I can't just refer to it as the "Watt" single) Dominance & Submission single. Well, first of all it is basically the same song as the BOC song - that is the overall structure of the song doesn't change. It is definitely heavier - the bass is more prominent (hey, Watt's a bassplayer), and the guitar is a bit grungier (hey, it's the 90's), and of course there is also Joe Bouchard's added piano which gives it just a hint of "classic rock". There are minor lyric changes, since it's now been more than 10 years since that ride with Charles and Suzy, and since we're in the nineties and not the sixties anymore . . . well, if you saw how I signed off on one of my posts yesterday you probably get the idea. Also, after the guitar solo, there's a little "mini-jam" where Watt on bass, Joe on piano, and Albert on drums trade a few licks. Finally, someone decided to have a little fun in the studio mixing this track as the song ends with the "Dominance! (Submission) Radios appear" bit, but the end effect sounds like someone kept slowing down the tape player until it stopped moving - kinda cool, although a bit difficult for me to jam along with on my bass at home . . . All in all, a very cool version of the song which pays fitting tribute to the original version, yet with just enough changes to give it a 90's feel. Kudos to all involved, and let's hope Watt will consider getting it on his next album, or perhaps engaging in future collaborations with the Bouchard's. John From reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM Thu Nov 9 08:36:13 1995 From: reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:36:13 EST Subject: R&R Hall of Fame Message-ID: Is that R&R Hall of Fame worth a trip from Joisey? Someboby said there's a BOC exhibit or something, right? I'd hate to get there and just find out it's an endless walk around with wax figure statues all over the place. RR From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 9 08:38:06 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:38:06 EST Subject: Sensitive to Criticizm? Message-ID: > From: albert bouchard > Subject: Re: Sensitive to Criticizm? > Then Ted O. Jackson wrote: > > be too offended. I think I once criticized Albert's 'Zilla drum solo, > > but then turned around and said that I thought he was among the > > top drummers ever to pound. > > I have a confession to make. Most drum solos I find kind of boring. So > I can honestly say I haven't played two the same in 25 years. Consequently > some are better than others. I'll cop to that. I wouldn't even care if you > said you hate all drum solos. I'd just think we're on different wave-lengths. > > > Well I said before when I joined the list and which I'll repeat for > the sake of any of the 'newbies' that if many people feel that I'm inhibiting > their free expression then I'll piss-off (in the continental sense). This > forum is for the free exchange of ideas about Hawkwind and BOC. I find it > entertaining and I have no interest in a BOC or Al love-fest. That would be > embarassing and unnecessary. > On the other hand, the few personal attacks we've had on here made me > a little uncomfortable so if we're nice and civil it makes it more fun. Also > what makes it more fun is if we can all have a sense of humor about our > discussions. Let's not be TOO serious about all this. OK? > Al Al, I did pretty much say (in a previous post) that I hate all drum solos. Maybe it's 'cause I'm a guitar player. But I generally hate guitar solos--i.e. ones where the gtr player is playing all by himself--symptomatic of 80s hair-band excess. But I then said that I thought it was the format of the drum solo itself that I didn't like, and that it was no reflection on the individual player. My point was that it must be impossible to play a good drum solo if so many great drummers have trouble doing it. And believe me, Al, I consider you among the very top rock drummers all time. As someone else suggested, the best way to show approval is with your wallet. I've been a BOC fan for over 20 years, and seen the band around 30 times. The only reason I don't have the Surgeon's stuff yet is 'cause I'm new to the list. Sad to say I'd never even heard of them. But that's changed now. Any plans for the Surgeon's ever getting to this moribund upstate New York Hamlet? Thanks for your understanding, and especially for some amazing music, ted From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Thu Nov 9 08:44:45 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:44:45 EST Subject: BOC: R&R Hall of Fame Message-ID: I definately could make a case for Reaper as one of the most influential songs ever. Listen carefully to Soundgarden's "Black Hole Sun" for starters... there are some real similarities there (although Bucks solo in the middle is light years better). Also, any song that gets played as often as Reaper, 20 years after its release, must have influenced SOMEBODY. Influenced them to do something other than music maybe? Brian From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Nov 9 08:46:38 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:46:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Festival poem & Palace Springs Message-ID: The spirit once lived In all of our hearts, A spirit of freedom, Dance, music and Arts. We gave what we could, But they wanted more. We came in peace, But left in war. A society infiltrated from the inside, Government instigators? Nowhere to hide. We have allowed it to happen, It is so very sad, Everyone is guilty, Though not everyone is bad. Those carefree days of summers past At the time seemed too good to last. But I thought that it would be destroyed, >From the outside... not from within, By the closed minded fascists, Not by our own "Kith and Kin". >Don't have my copy handy. What were the lyrics again? > >FoFP Cortesy of Hawkjoe Martyn From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Nov 9 09:18:05 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:18:05 -0500 Subject: heavy metal in theaters!! Message-ID: > From: albert bouchard > Subject: Re: heavy metal in theaters!! > > On Tue, 7 Nov 1995 mike psyche wrote: > > > i always thought that fire of unknown origin was made to be the full > > soundtrack for this movie not just veterans.. > > That is absolutly right! Originally the HM people asked us to do the whole > soundtrack with between 5-7 songs and the rest would be Elmer Bernstein. Then > it was Vet and DTYB. Then just Vet. The roots of the BOC list / Imaginitive Rock discussion list / BOC-L lie somewhere in the time that I spent with my friends in high school, picking out all the Heavy Metal references in FoUO. Steve From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Nov 9 09:28:41 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:28:41 -0500 Subject: R&R Hall of Fame Message-ID: > From: Andrew Gilham > Subject: Re: R&R Hall of Fame > > In-Reply-To: > > > Also, the only info. this page had on BOC was birth dates of band > > members. I > > was dismayed not to find any BOC songs on the list of "Top 500 most > > Influential Songs of All Time." Some of the ones on there are a joke. > > Oh I don't know, it seemed sound enough to me. I would have pressed for > a little more Doors ("LA Woman", maybe), and Springsteen's "Thunder > Road", but was very pleased to see Patti Smith's "Gloria" in there (and > surprised too, 'cause I expected "Because the Night" instead). > > What BOC did you expect? You could maybe make a case for "Reaper", but > that's about it. I think you're dead wrong, there. Remember that it's supposed to be a list of the top 500 most infuential songs, not the most popular. Reaper was a popular tune, but what band ever said "lets do some tunes like Reaper'"? On the other hand, you can hear echoes of Cities on Flame and The Red and the Black (often cited as the first "speed metal" song, however accuate that appelation may be) everywhere. Steve From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Nov 9 09:33:47 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:33:47 -0500 Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: On the topic of "why is it so hard to find a good drum solo?", I think the basic conflict is that we normally see solos as a forum for expressing melody and the drum kit is primarily a vehicle for producing rhythm. (I think this is also why bass solos are less successful in many people's eyes.) The instrument itself seems to be at a disadvantage when it comes to doing solos. (Drummers, tell me I'm wrong.) Having said that, I think I am am odd in that I am actually more interested in rhythm, interplay, and discerning motifs than I am in listening to melody. I guess that is why I am one of those rare people who actually think Frank Zappa did something useful with his guitar in the 80s... :-) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _Bongo Fury_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. "I wish I had a pair of bongos!" --- Beefheart From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Nov 9 09:41:51 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:41:51 -0500 Subject: Watt Credits In-Reply-To: <199511091328.IAA19514@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Nov 9, 95 08:28:10 am Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > All in all, a very cool version of the song which pays fitting tribute to > the original version, yet with just enough changes to give it a 90's feel. > Kudos to all involved, and let's hope Watt will consider getting it on > his next album, or perhaps engaging in future collaborations with the > Bouchard's. I'll second that!! I bought _Ball-Hog or Tugboat_ recently and loved it. But, I couldn't help wishing they'd ditched the rather poor yet overly extended ranting of Kathleen Hanna (I think that's right) for the Bouchard collaboration---especially after reading your review, John! Btw, I dig the guitar angst of J. Mascis on "Maggot Brain." Some day ALL guitars will be this overdriven... Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _Inner Marshland_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 9 09:07:09 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:07:09 +0000 Subject: Sensitive to Criticizm? In-Reply-To: <35E1304103D@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Nov 9, 95 08:38:06 am Message-ID: >>> be too offended. I think I once criticized Albert's 'Zilla drum solo, >>> but then turned around and said that I thought he was among the >>> top drummers ever to pound. >> >> I have a confession to make. Most drum solos I find kind of boring. So >> I can honestly say I haven't played two the same in 25 years. Consequently >> some are better than others. I'll cop to that. I wouldn't even care if you >> said you hate all drum solos. I'd just think we're on different wave-lengths. Drum solos are boring more often than not, especially if they're let go on for ages. I think the Bonham solo in Zep's _Song Remains the Same_ film was dead dull :) I was (confession!) not blown away by Al's solo in the Live '76 vid--though I did like the flanging and cool lights going on during it ;) My other favorite drummer besides Al, Barrie Barlow does a drum solo on Tull's _Bursting Out_ LP which is OK but not terribly interesting. On the other hand, I've been genuinely impressed by Al's drum solo's at live Surgeons gigs. Drum's seem very physical to me, and I think seeing a drummer soloing live has a greater relative impact than a guitarist soloing live. I've enjoyed a number of drum solos from the Allman Bros. live, but then they do have _three_ percussionists, which I think helps. One drummer as a hell of a job to sound incredibly cool on his own. After all, when we think of "guitar solo" we really usually mean "guitar widdling with the rest of the band behind it", and when we say "drum solo" we mean "poor bastard drummer left out there all alone trying to impress a crowd who's there because they thought the guitar riffs were catchy or the singer was sexy" ;) > Any plans for the Surgeon's ever getting to this moribund > upstate New York Hamlet? Actually, the Surgeons are no strangers to upstate New York, if I remember aright. And _well_ worth seeking out--even the drum solos ;) I like the bits where Al does something _weird_ like tap on a beer bottle or Deb's guitar neck or something--that's something with a strong visual element in it that can't really be reproduced in the studio :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 9 09:09:45 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:09:45 +0000 Subject: OFFTOP: more Sundial..... In-Reply-To: <199511090003.TAA16806@epix.net> from "Jerry Guizar" at Nov 8, 95 07:24:58 pm Message-ID: > What about the CDS _Fazer_? If you've seen some of the lists of music I > listen to, it's pretty hard for me to get put off - at least not without > listening to three or four albums. I usually browse the music newsgroups > reading the descriptions of different bands and looking to see which albums > people prefer and go for them first. I picked up _Fazer_ a day or so before I left the States, and I didn't bring it with me so I don't really remember it. I think it was _Reflector_ish, in that it was poppy with some 'dance' beats going on. Again, not actually _bad_, but can't compare with _Return Journey_ or _Acid Yantra_ :) Cheers, Carl From bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM Thu Nov 9 10:07:05 1995 From: bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 07:07:05 -0800 Subject: BOC and Satan???? Message-ID: My Mother once walked in my room as I was listening to OYFOOYK..."Not talkin' 'bout the light up above, I'm talkin' bout the hellfire down below thats right.. thats a Lucifer light..." I think she thought I'd soon be sharpening up my axe and heading for the family bedrooms in the dark of night.. I always took the satanic overtones in BOC's music as tongue in cheek. "Hey Lou.." _ || \ *jbrooks at bpalace.com "San Diego's || < *PGP key available Original |_||_/ *Brokedown Palace BBS 619-596-1974/7419 Grateful BBS" From bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM Thu Nov 9 10:01:42 1995 From: bpalace!jbrooks at CONNECTNET1.CONNECTNET.COM (Joseph Brooks) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 07:01:42 -0800 Subject: BOC and Satan???? Message-ID: ROFL!!! _ || \ *jbrooks at bpalace.com "San Diego's || < *PGP key available Original |_||_/ *Brokedown Palace BBS 619-596-1974/7419 Grateful BBS" From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 9 11:01:18 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:01:18 -0500 Subject: Sensitive to Criticizm? Message-ID: Exactly what hamlet are you referring to? We've actually played quite a bit in upstate New York. -DF From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 9 09:42:24 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:42:24 +0000 Subject: BOC: R&R Hall of Fame In-Reply-To: <00999208.15796000.183@bigvax.alfred.edu> from "BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN" at Nov 9, 95 08:44:45 am Message-ID: > Also, any song that gets > played as often as Reaper, 20 years after its release, must have influenced > SOMEBODY. Mind you, for years of my youth I thought that song was by the Moody Blues! ;) [Hey, I was 4 when it was released, all right? ;) Cheers, Carl From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Nov 9 11:05:25 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:05:25 -0500 Subject: Problem printing HW Cover tapes (and fix) Message-ID: Allan has brought to my attention a problem with printing the PostScript job, on _SOME_ printers. Depending on the base system and the I/O connection used to actually transmit the print job to your PostScript printer, it may or may not print. The bug is an ASCII End_of_File marker (also called Control-D) that precedes and follows the print job. This is output automatically by my PC-based package (Pagemaker); however, this probably blows up any Macs that try to print it. It also plays havok with some I/O methods. I have already stripped the Control-Ds and have a new version ready to go. I will upload a new HWCOVER1.ZIP to csgrad.cs.vt.edu within the next hour. Captain Cloud From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Nov 9 11:09:51 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 17:09:51 +0100 Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: >On the topic of "why is it so hard to find a good drum solo?", I think >the basic conflict is that we normally see solos as a forum for >expressing melody and the drum kit is primarily a vehicle for >producing rhythm. (I think this is also why bass solos are less >successful in many people's eyes.) The instrument itself seems to be >at a disadvantage when it comes to doing solos. (Drummers, tell me >I'm wrong.) Listen to Neil Peart's drum solo on Rush first double live, if you wannna hear a drum solo expressing melody :o) >Cheers, > >Paul. cheers - \\joe From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Thu Nov 9 11:19:51 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:19:51 -0600 Subject: HW: Tape cover available for your perusal In-Reply-To: <9511082239.A11550@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: capt cloud, is it too late to get in on getting a set? i would like one , i'm just a slowpoke if you could point me in the right direction of who is actually distributing it i'd appreciate it- -mike psyche ps did you get any live tapes from the u.s. spring 95 hw shows? -i would like to trade for some or some other arangement. i dont have live stuff but since i've got radio connections i've gotten some cool cd promos from bands and the like. -kyuss one inch man single etc.. From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Thu Nov 9 11:23:07 1995 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:23:07 GMT Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: I remember seeing a cajun band recently (The Flatville Aces I think they were called). The drummer got on a chair & tapped out a solo on the violin with his sticks. Unusual sound, neat visual trick & a damn fine gig. Neil. From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Thu Nov 9 11:41:29 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:41:29 -0600 Subject: heavy metal in theaters!! In-Reply-To: <9511081645.AA18053@worldlink.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, albert bouchard wrote: > On Tue, 7 Nov 1995 mike psyche wrote: > > > > i always thought that fire of unknown origin was made to be the full > > soundtrack for this movie not just veterans.. > > That is absolutly right! Originally the HM people asked us to do the whole > soundtrack with between 5-7 songs and the rest would be Elmer Bernstein. Then > it was Vet and DTYB. Then just Vet. > Al > i guess the next questions are - did boc get to preview the movie while it was being made to write songs for it and what songs went for which sequence obviously vengence -the pact is about tarna but where was don't turn your back and sole survivor supposed to go? if this hurts your brain trying to remember don't worry i'm just curious -too bad ya'll got the boot from doing the whole thing but i love the way they use black sabbath's mob rules for the zombie invasion scene and sammy hagar's heavy metal is my favorite song by him -i hate all the van-hagar slop. -mike psyche From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Nov 9 11:42:58 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:42:58 -0500 Subject: Drum solos In-Reply-To: <9511091623.AA25030@nectaris.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> from "shillada@GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM" at Nov 9, 95 04:23:07 pm Message-ID: I think that there is a big difference between a drum solo and a percussion solo, although, generally a percussion solo ain't exactly solo, as it usually entails more than one percussionist. I guess my best example of this would have to be the percussion solo at the end of Uriah Heeps' track "Look At Yourself" from the album of the same name. It featured three percussionists from the band Osibisa (whose first two albums were/are two of my favorites, not just for the Roger Dean covers) along with the regular drummer. It wasn't too long, had enough different textures to keep it interesting and was in total contrast to the rest of the track. And I agree with the statement that a drum solo should be experienced live, not via a recording. There is so much visually that is going on in a well done solo that just dosen't make its' way onto an audio recording. objCassette Deck : Tranceglobal by TrancePort -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Nov 9 12:03:07 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 17:03:07 GMT Subject: Drum solos In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:33:47 -0500 Message-ID: I think that part of the problem is that when a band has a drum solo, the rest of the band stops playing. They seem wedded to the idea that music comes in layers, with the drums at the bottom, then the bass, then rhythm guitar, then vocals or lead guitar. You can peal off some of the higher levels, but you can't have a bass providing the solid rhythm while the drums play fills and polyrhythms over the top. > Having said that, I think I am am odd in that I am actually more > interested in rhythm, interplay, and discerning motifs than I am in > listening to melody. I like rhythms, but I like to have interlocking rhythms, with two (or more) people playing off each other. One drummer has a hard time (although he does have two feet and two hands...). Dave. From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Nov 9 14:27:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:27:00 PST Subject: Watt Credits Message-ID: Thanks for the mini review John. Sounds like a real intresting song. Where does one actually purchase vinyl records anyway? AB >All in all, a very cool version of the song which pays fitting tribute to >the original version, yet with just enough changes to give it a 90's feel. >Kudos to all involved, and let's hope Watt will consider getting it on >his next album, or perhaps engaging in future collaborations with the >Bouchard's. John From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Nov 9 14:49:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:49:00 PST Subject: Thoughts Message-ID: Tony Kornheiser time (or is it one of the Guys from the Wash. Times) Criticism - Well put thoughts by Dr. Bob, who I'm finding out is a doctor of many things. Found Al's thoughts on the subject to be most enlightening too. Maybe people who have bee poublic figures for quite some time and have experieinced the highs and lows of fame have a much better grip on these things. Could explain why some of the younger artist (Tupac Shakur, the lead singers for Nirvana, Blind Mellons etc.,) seem to have such a hard time dealing with fame and being in the public spotlight. Guess if you survive long enough in the entertainment business it is a true testatment to your character. Drum solo's - I like unplugged music, Stone Temple Pilots 70's and 80's live albums and drum solos. See the point where some don't like them at all but in the right situation, the right timing I think they are pretty entertaining. Course it helps to have some skillz when trying to unleash one of these. Live is the only way to do a drum solo, studio versions blow chunks. I also think R&B bands do them much better than R&R bands, nothing to do with talent, thats all relative, but the differences in the music make R&B drum solos more appealing to me. Same with Bass solos. Watts D&S - Sounds like good good stuff. Al you could probably hold a real rock and roll,. all star party type recording with the people you have worked with over the years. HOF 500 influential - Hmmm. It must be me and you know I'm wierd but how can BOC not have a single song in the top 500? Probably for the same reason this thing is called a Hall of Fame as opposed to a museum. Listen to some recent music and even some old music, check out some lyrics, but I think the contribution of the original oyster boys can be found is some really strange and unusual music today. Will take a look at Black Hole Sun as someone suggested here, though that is the one song on an otherwise fabulous album that I can't stomach. Heavy Metal the Movie - Would that I could see this in its original form., The first time at the theaters the crowd was really stimulated with the natural and man made stuff which made paying attention to the movie almost impossible. Waited a week or two and then went to see it agian and was able to enjoy it. Loved it very much but BOC's musical contributions were underutilzed. The thing I never understoood, was it the intention of the producers to have the movie based on BOC songs or to fit BOC songs into the movie where appropriate? Though I like the movie the producers failed on both accounts. Martyn's Comments on radio and 60/90's - Based on what Martyn was told, does anyone really think we need radio stations anymore? I really have a hard time listening as no one seems to play stuff I want to hear often enough. I've gone back to listening to the talking heads of sports radio and simply playing tapes while driving. Yeah the 90's may be the 60's upside down, but they will also make the 60's seem like the 40's when this world starts dealing with some very realistic societal problems as we approach the turn of the century. An IBM commercial touts how its such a great time to be alive, well many of may not think so by the end of this decade. From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Thu Nov 9 09:15:29 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:15:29 EST Subject: Criticism-Round 2 Message-ID: theo writes: >>stuff deleted<< I think that human nature might allow even seasoned music veterans to harbor a bit of resentment over our comments. >>stuff deleted<< First, thanks for the previous compliments, theo. Regarding this statement, though, I wonder if this resentment on "their" part takes into account that the people making the criticism (of which I'm NOT one) are fans who choose to devote time to a list about "their" work? If there were a list dedicated to my work (oh, how boring that would be), I would be honored and wouldn't be bothered by critical comments. Hell, I might even appreciate constructive criticism. Simply negative messages like "you stink!" would be laughed off. However, I'm not in the public domain. Again, how many people in this world are fortunate enough to have lists dedicated to their work? I like to think that they appreciate us just being here, and that should outweigh any potential resentment that they may feel. theo continues: >>stuff deleted<< So, while bands can certainly dismiss hate mail of the kind your scenario envisions, I think criticism from BOC-L may carry just the least bit more weight. >>stuff deleted<< Point well-taken. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree here. I still think that professional musicians (of which a good friend of mine is one), as a rule, have a thick-enough skin even for comments from BOC-L. John S. writes: >>stuff deleted<< Well, others may disagree, but I'm of the opinion that we should all be sensitive to other people's opinions, celebrities or not. >>stuff deleted<< Amen to that, John. I hope that's why this list exists, so that we can all post our opinions. And let me take the idea another step. The confirmation message that I got when I first subscribed indicated that the server for this list is physically located in the United States (it said US in the upper right corner). Therefore, it seems to me that the 1st amendment applies here. People can say what they want. If someone thinks we ought to watch what we say for fear of offending someone else, then maybe they ought to be on a server in Beijing or Havana. John S. continues: >>stuff deleted<< Perhaps there is some opinion that we should not try to offend those considered celebrities here on the list (stuff skipped) but because we feel that we don't want them to leave the list--now these celebrities are people just like you and me, but perhaps because they are celebrities, people on the list might be more disappointed to see them leave the list rather than you or I. >>stuff deleted<< Agreed. I also believe that other list members would have more of a problem with celebrities leaving the list than either you or I. Don't get me wrong, I think its great that professional artists are involved here. Besides natural curiosity to see what folks are saying about you, its also a good business move (I wrote a dissertation on this topic in at previous post, so enough said here). But I can't imagine anyone being influential enough to make a mailing list toxic enough that another person (especially a professional musician) wants to leave. John S. continues: >>stuff deleted<< however, I may not be a good person to test the theory on because I don't typically try to insult anybody on the list. >>stuff deleted<< Agreed again. Its not in my nature to insult anyone either. Constructive criticism, however, is another ball of wax. I would have no problem offering constructive criticism if I were moved to do so (and I HAVE NOT been moved to do so as of yet). Now, whether the subject of that criticism actually gives a crap about what I say is another matter, and I stand by my original post regarding this. Maybe you and I, John, are among the few who understand this difference. It also sounds like you and I are among the few that recognize that we're talking about figures in the public domain, and all the good and bad that goes with it. I'd wager that they went into this biz with their eyes wide open. Perhaps some common ground here? --Dr. Bob rkohl at state.de.us From christoj at PLK.AF.MIL Thu Nov 9 13:24:46 1995 From: christoj at PLK.AF.MIL (Julian Christou) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:24:46 -0700 Subject: Amon Duul II & Things Message-ID: Well fellow HW freaks, I'm back in the STates and reading the list. I'm currently subscribed in digest form. Interestingly enough I feel that I'm eavesdropping on the list this way rather than being an active participant. But it does keep my mailbox from filling up with 100's of mail messages. Anyway, to get to the title of the message. I was in Munich at the beginning of October and was lucky (serendipitous) enough to catch ADII play live. A thoroughly great concert. The band were in fine form playing a lot of new material (I presume it was as I didn't recognise it) and some oldies & goldies, i.e. Wolf City, Archangel Thunderbird & Surrounded by Stars. I spoke to Renate afterwards and she said that they produced the album pretty much by themselves without using a major label and also plan to be touring more this coming year. She said the Uk definitely and if we're lucky possible the US also. Managed to pick up a cool poster of the concert as well to hand beside my HW SotA '95 US tour poster. Interestingly enough my girlfriend really liked ADII but was not at all impressed ny HW when we saw them in Boulder last April. Unfortunately we missed seeing HW in Brixton on the 21 Oct. as that was the day we flew out of Gatwick. Thanks for all the good postings though. I've also been following the thread of UK Currency. Very interesting. I vaguely remember when farthings were in circulation (or is it inherited memory?) and definitely ha'pennies. The first summer after decimalisation I was working as a bus conductor on the North Wales coast (just finished school and before going to college) and I remember how a lot of the older people who were riding the busses were thoroughly confused with the "new" coins. They were still missing the old ten-bob note. (Note: A bill in the US is a note in the UK). Of course for us young 'uns the change over was pretty easy at thye time and very logical although I do remember prices going up due to round off. And to think the first HW album was only 29/11!! I have an old Arithmetic book from my Grandfather circa the 1920's which has a chapter on interest etc. It's so archaic now to see columns for pounds, shillings & pence. obCD Atomic Rooster -- BBC RAdio 1 Live In Concert Makes you think what HW could be like if they had Chris Farlowe :-) BTW he was slated to play in Munich this month. -- +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ | Dr. Julian Christou | Phone: 505-846-4712 x330 | | PL/LIG, Phillips Lab | FAX: 505-846-2213 | | 3550 Aberdeen SE +-----------------------------+ | Kirtland AFB, NM 87117-5776 | E-mail: christoj at plk.af.mil | +------------------------------+-----------------------------+ " You don't have to be ashamed of using your own ideas" Brian Eno - Oblique Strategies From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Nov 9 13:24:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:24:00 GMT Subject: R&R Hall of Fame Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199511091428.JAA03686 at mindvox.phantom.com> > > I think you're dead wrong, there. Remember that it's supposed to be a > list of the top 500 most infuential songs, not the most popular. Reaper > was a popular tune, but what band ever said "lets do some tunes like > Reaper'"? On the other hand, you can hear echoes of Cities on Flame and > The Red and the Black (often cited as the first "speed metal" song, > however accuate that appelation may be) everywhere. > > Steve Yeah, well, that's as may be, but much as I love BOC, what they'll *really* be remembered for is the introduction of the umlaut :) - Andy From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 9 13:25:22 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:25:22 GMT Subject: Very Off Topic Re: Problem printing HW Cover tapes (and fix) In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:05:25 -0500 Message-ID: > Allan has brought to my attention a problem with printing the > PostScript job, on _SOME_ printers. Depending on the base system > and the I/O connection used to actually transmit the print job to > your PostScript printer, it may or may not print. > > The bug is an ASCII End_of_File marker (also called Control-D) that > precedes and follows the print job. This is output automatically > by my PC-based package (Pagemaker); however, this probably blows up > any Macs that try to print it. It also plays havok with some I/O > methods. > Ack!! Peeve mode ON This kind of thing is what has probably been screwing up all our Postscript printers since the beginning of term (i.e: October 9th!!). And it *still* ain't fixed...... Only wish I knew enough to do summat about it. Peeve mode OFF sigh jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 9 13:45:19 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:45:19 +0000 Subject: Drum solos In-Reply-To: <9511091433.AA08960@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> from "Paul Mather" at Nov 9, 95 09:33:47 am Message-ID: > On the topic of "why is it so hard to find a good drum solo?", I think > the basic conflict is that we normally see solos as a forum for > expressing melody and the drum kit is primarily a vehicle for > producing rhythm. (I think this is also why bass solos are less > successful in many people's eyes.) Actually, I think bass solos are often viewed as less successful since one need not actually be a terribly good bass player to be a bass player in a rock band. But when one _does_ have a good bass player ... ah! a bass solo, by the very depth of tone from the instrument, can be a powerful thing! For example, I really enjoyed Joe Bouchard's bass solo on _Live '76_. And Dave Pegg (of Fairport Convention) cranks out some hairy bass solos. And that's just a bass alone--with a band: "Stay Clean" with bass solo _a_la_ Lemmy. Need we say more? (Unless we were to say "Lost in the Ozone" from _Bastards_ :) And of course, Cliff from Metallica; some monster bass solos! Jason Newstead is, mind you, no crap bass player but on the other hand his bass solo from that live video they put out a few years back was pretty smegging boring. The most interesting thing he did was stomp on a bass-wah and make foolish faces. That was, admittedly, pretty cool for about 10 seconds, and then got very old ;) Then are are people like Alan Woody, who is damn near soloing continously with Gov't Mule (tho he's more restrained with the Allmans). Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 9 14:01:45 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 19:01:45 +0000 Subject: heavy metal in theaters!! In-Reply-To: from "Michael P Mccollum" at Nov 9, 95 10:41:29 am Message-ID: > but where was don't turn your back and sole survivor supposed to go? Well, 'Don't Turn Your Back' was for the first segment after the intro, set in NYC with that cab driver. Cheers, Carl From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Nov 9 14:33:56 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:33:56 -0500 Subject: HW: Updated tape cover available for your perusal Message-ID: The updated tape cover has now been placed on csgrad.cs.vt.edu (128.173.41.41); same bat name, same bat location (ftp://csgrad.cs.vt.edu/pub/boc-l/hwcover1.zip)... Btw, the original previewed fine under Ghostscript, and I must say it looked mighty impressive!! I have to agree that the script font may be a tad on the small side... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Bevis Frond, _Superseeder_ (I finally broke down and paid the import price...) e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From rhame at CTP.COM Thu Nov 9 14:18:10 1995 From: rhame at CTP.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:18:10 -0500 Subject: Old-time BOC questions Message-ID: Hi Folks, I suppose these are mostly aimed at Al to answer, but opinions are good too. I was wondering if the more commercial sounding albums of Al's era (like Spectres and Mirrors) were designed that way, or just came out that way. I guess a better way to put it is: How important was it to produce commercial hits back then? I remember reading an interview with Al from Modern Drummer a few years back in which he said that around AOF time, there was a concerted effort to come up with a "hit". I'm not implying that this is necessarily a bad thing, just wondering if it was intentional. Also, I hope this hasn't been a thread on the list before, but Al, what is the BOC song you wrote which you think came out the best, and which is the one that you like the least? Rich -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Rich Hamel ! I find no absolution in my rational point ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners! of view. Maybe some things are instinctive,! ! 304 Vassar St. ! but there's one thing you could do.. ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! ! ! (617)-374-8266 ! You could try to understand me, I could ! ! rhame at ctp.com ! try to understand you. You could try to ! ! ! understand me, I could try to understand ! ! ! you.... ! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Nov 9 15:03:33 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 15:03:33 -0500 Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: Carl writes: > one need not actually be a terribly good bass player to be a bass player in a rock band As a terrible bass player, Carl, I resemble that remark! :-) >But when one _does_ have a good bass player ... ah! a bass solo, by the very depth of tone from the instrument, can be a powerful thing! Agreed - nothing sounds like good bass (and nothing feels like it either). My feeling on solos is that they are often too long - however, in a live atmosphere, this can be tolerated more as the audience is more caught up in the whole experience. But, when that same solo is listened to on your stereo, you probably want to hit the "fast forward". I also like solos that work in the context of a song. Al Bouchard's solo with the Brain Surgeons (good description in your earlier post Carl, BTW) during "I Play the Drums" works off the rhythm of the song before taking off in other directions - this makes the solo more musically appealing, IMHO -- makes it part of the song, and not just some thing that was stuck in there. On the flipside, Joe Bouchard's bass solo in the Live '76 video is not that - but it still works because it's not stuck in as part of a song at all -- it's almost a completely seperate musical piece by itself (and a good one at that). Now, if he had stuck that same solo in the middle of some song, it would've sounded completely out of place. John From jguizar at EPIX.NET Thu Nov 9 15:28:24 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 15:28:24 EST Subject: OFFTOP: more Sundial..... Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:09:45 +0000 Carl wrote: >> What about the CDS _Fazer_? If you've seen some of the lists of music I >> listen to, it's pretty hard for me to get put off - at least not without >> listening to three or four albums. I usually browse the music newsgroups >> reading the descriptions of different bands and looking to see which albums >> people prefer and go for them first. > > I picked up _Fazer_ a day or so before I left the States, and I >didn't bring it with me so I don't really remember it. I think it was >_Reflector_ish, in that it was poppy with some 'dance' beats going on. >Again, not actually _bad_, but can't compare with _Return Journey_ or >_Acid Yantra_ :) Yeah, it's kind of poppy. That's good tho - I'll have to grab _Acid Yantra_ for sure then. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Nov 9 15:11:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 15:11:00 EST Subject: TKO to Criticism Message-ID: It's up to Round 2? Damn, I thought we had a TKO half way in the 1st round. Al has spoken and wrapped it up well. Please, end this off topic babble. I don't care anymore! Rudy From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Nov 9 15:50:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 20:50:00 GMT Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I always felt that one of the good things about BOC was that the drum and bass solos were actually really good, unlike with most bands where they were a chance to go to the bar. Case in point, Ginger Baker's solo in the middle of "Brainstorm" (on the HW _Levitation '80_ tour). All very clever, and all very pointless. Still, at least Harvey Bainbridge never played a bass solo :) - Andy PS that's BOC with Al and Joe, of course! PPS and especially with the Godzilla head! From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Thu Nov 9 16:36:54 1995 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:36:54 -0500 Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: Andy sez: > > In-Reply-To: > > I always felt that one of the good things about BOC was that the drum and > bass solos were actually really good, unlike with most bands where they > were a chance to go to the bar. Case in point, Ginger Baker's solo in > the middle of "Brainstorm" (on the HW _Levitation '80_ tour). All very > clever, and all very pointless. Right, now you're going to get it, some things just can't escape comment however busy I am. I was going to suggest earlier that anybody looking for a *really* good drum solo should check out the mother of them all, 'Toad' by our own Ginger Baker (on the 'Wheels of Fire' album by Cream). I mean this is the high point of the art, the standard by which all other drum solos have to be measured. and here we have a person with absolutely no taste whatsoever suggesting that one go to the bar while the one, the only, incomparable Ginger demonstrates how pointless it is anybody ever trying to hit anything with a stick, without being laughed at as 'Yes but you should hear Ginger Baker do that...' I mean I'm speechless <" "> ...see ? Seriously everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but this Andy guy is definitely working undercover for some form of demonic power in order to pervert unsuspecting innocents ;-) :-) Cheers, Steve L. [resident Ginger B nut] From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Nov 9 17:41:37 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 17:41:37 -0500 Subject: Nik Turner in Ink19 mag Message-ID: Remember when Nik Turner's Space Ritual was on tour, someone posted that Nik had been interviewed by south-east magazine "Ink 19"? Well, that interview has finally been published. It is about 1-page long. It is freely available in Florida and Atlanta (get looking, Craig and Mitch!). I can probably type it in if there is any demand, some time later this week. Also: Central Florida music magazine "JAM" has just published a 2-page interview with the Monster Magnet guitarist, following their recent Orlando show. This mag is also a free one. I'm not planning on typing this one up, as it is a bit longer, unless there is enough demand. Both these magazines are available for about 2-3 weeks, then another issue comes out. I don't know how long either has been on the stands; I just picked them up yesterday. Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu Nov 9 18:32:33 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:32:33 -0500 Subject: Space Rock Message-ID: I was in my local alternative record store today, ( had to pick up the Spiral Realms Crystal Jungles cd and the HW ep lp I special ordered ) and I took the time to really look around. I was quite surprised to see the amount of stuff that is in the space rock genre. There were all the bands I see discussed here, but there was also many I have never heard of. I thought I thought I would ask here about them, and see if anyone has heard any of these bands. The names sound interesting, the covers look good, and the songs titles sound promising, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they still don't suck alot. Here are three that sound promising, so if you know anything about these bands let me know if they are worth buying. M 500 - Space is Deep Space Time Continuim - ( Don't remember the exact title, but it had something to do with Aliens.) There were a ton more, as well as about 30-40 HW cd's. Thanks in advance, Duane OBCD - Spiral Realms - Crystal Jungles of Eos PS Oops, I said three, but only remeber two -- From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Thu Nov 9 19:16:50 1995 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Brand) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 19:16:50 -0500 Subject: Career of X-mas In-Reply-To: <199511061933.OAA12194@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: > > From: ROBERT SEDLER > > > > Hi ho all! > > > > Well, I'm probably not the only one posting this tonight, but what the > > heck, here goes nuthin'. > > > > Got a letter from Mistah Bouchard today which was an advert for a three > > tune cassette called "Career of Christmas". It sez that it be updates of > > 3 of Al's most requested old faves. Is this an item that won't be available in stores? If so, how do I order a copy? How do I get on Mistah Bouchard's mailing list? Thanks, Brand From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 9 20:00:05 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 01:00:05 GMT Subject: Twink Message-ID: Someone was asking about Twink.... The following is culled from a magazine called "Mangled Mind" edited, written and researched by a guy called Adrian T'Vell. I'll edit it slightly but the info is all his. **************************** There was a roadie called Twink who played keyboards for Hawkwind for a couple of gigs in 1980. This is NOT the same Twink. Twink, real name John Alder of the Pink Fairies did play with Hawkwind. He added backing vocals to Silver Machine, played with them at Brixton when the Space Ritual album was recorded, played guitar for them at an unspecified concert in Oxford and also played drums for them on at least two occasions when Terry Ollis (and therefore, presumably Vic Prince as well) could not attend. He also took part with the Magic Muscle reformation along with Simon House and Adrian Shaw. He started in the late fifties with various skiffle groups including the "Airliners" and with "Jimmy Pilgrim" and by 1965 he had formed the "Fairies". In 1967 he formed the "In Crowd" with the future "Yes" member Steve Howe. They soon evolved into "Tomorrow" and Twink then worked with "Artwoods"/"Deep Purple" keyboard player Jon Lord and "Faces"/"Stones"/"Creation" guitarist Ron Wood in the "Santa Barbara Machine". Prior to joining "Shagrat" he was the "Aquarian Age". "Shagrat" soon became the "Pink Fairies" . Twink left them to form the "Stars" with Syn Barrett (and, yes, tapes do exist!) unfortunately the group fell apart. Twink then joined the recording cast on Robert Calvert's debut album. In July 1975 he rejoined the Pink Fairies but soon left to join the "Fallen Angels" which after Twink's spell with them went back to Phil May, who was vocalist with the "Pretty Things" a band which Twink was a member of during 1968 and starred in the Norman Wisdom film "What's Good For the Goose". In April 1977 he joined the new wave band the "Rings" and four months later he revitalised the name of the "Fairies" for a single and a couple of gigs. After a while he relocated himself to Belgium and on his return he joined up with Elton Motello. In 1968 he formed his own record label, a year later he joined the reformed Pink Fairies and toured with them, reliving the seventies by supporting Hawkwind at the "Acid Daze" festivals. In 1988 he joined other ex-Hawkwind members in "Magic Muscle". One concert at the Miles Club in Bath on 1/8/88 was recorded for the live album "100 Miles Below" {good album IMO - js}. This concert also featured a rare non-Hawkwind appearance from Dave Brock, however his (Dave's) contribution did not filter through to the album. In 1989 he started to record his second solo album which was released with a supporting tour which ended with the headline slot at the Keildonk Festival in Holland on May 20th. Since that time he has worked on various new projects with his own work as well as working the the "Bevis Frond". ********** So there you are! There's also a long discography of singles and albums which feature him but I can't be bothered to type all of it in although I'll do it if anyone is interested. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Thu Nov 9 20:38:25 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 20:38:25 EST Subject: Space Rock Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:32:33 -0500 Duane wrote: >Here are three that sound promising, so if you know anything >about these bands let me know if they are worth buying. >M 500 - Space is Deep >Space Time Continuim - ( Don't remember the exact title, but it had >something to do with Aliens.) That's Spacetime Continuum _Alien Dreamtime_. I have that one on a list of mine with some other Ambient albums, but I haven't heard it yet. It's on my list of next CD's to purchase ($12.50 from EAR/Rational). Jerry jguizar at epix.net jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us Three in the CD: Astralasia - Axis Mundi Stereolab - Switched On 777 - System 7.3: Fire& Water From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Nov 10 01:01:40 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 01:01:40 -0500 Subject: Calling all Playboys Message-ID: Someone congratulated Albert on recent mention in Playboy. Anyone know what he's talking about? Know you only read it for the articles, anyway... Thanks. --DF From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Nov 10 04:40:56 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:40:56 GMT Subject: HW: Aliieen in charts Message-ID: According to this week's Melody Maker Hawkwind went straight in to the independant charts at number 5, with the Ozrics close behind at number 7. I expect a lot of people bought the Ozrics one at the same time as the Hawkwind one (well, I did anyway!!!). bye - Rob From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 10 05:20:43 1995 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:20:43 GMT Subject: HW: Aliieen in charts Message-ID: > According to this week's Melody Maker Hawkwind went straight > in to the independant charts at number 5, with the Ozrics > close behind at number 7. I expect a lot of people bought > the Ozrics one at the same time as the Hawkwind one > (well, I did anyway!!!). > bye - Rob I wonder what this translates to in the top 100 singles. It would be good to see them there... Sorry gone all misty eyed thinking about that. Derrick --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. --------------------------------------------- From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Nov 10 05:47:48 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:47:48 GMT Subject: HW: Aliieen in charts Message-ID: > > > According to this week's Melody Maker Hawkwind went straight > > in to the independant charts at number 5, with the Ozrics > > close behind at number 7. I expect a lot of people bought > > the Ozrics one at the same time as the Hawkwind one > > (well, I did anyway!!!). > > bye - Rob > > I wonder what this translates to in the top 100 singles. It would be good > to see them there... > Sorry gone all misty eyed thinking about that. > > Derrick > Well, I don't think the single charted (even on the indie chart) and the album does not appear in the normal UK top 50 chart. bye - Rob From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Fri Nov 10 16:14:38 1995 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 11:14:38 -1000 Subject: Watt's D&S (was Re: Sensitive to Criticizm?) Message-ID: Al said: >I've gotta plug this Watt cover. I just heard it Monday and I think it's >hysterial! I'm not sure where you might find it. I guess it's a vinyl 45 only. >I got my copy from Columbia. It's not disrespectful but he does some mind- >boggelling changes to it. The Australian release *Piss Bottle Man* with *D&S* is available as a CD single. It's not hard to find round here. I've heard it now and yep, it kicks. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Nov 10 03:10:06 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 19:10:06 +1100 Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 Message-ID: On 7 Nov 95 at 14:59, Dave Berry waffled: > > It must be in the vinyl release, since my CD certainly doesn't > > have any such thing either ... > > Nope, it's in my CD release. It's on the inside of the cover sheet. > The front is the cover of the album, the back is the track listing, and > the inside is the poem. The whole "booklet" is only 4 pages long. > Maybe it's a UK-only thang, or a re-release thang. Well, my copy is the GWR release (Swedish), the inside of the "booklet" is entirely blank! Sob! -- Thought for the day: The only thing that hurts more than paying income tax is not having to pay income tax. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Nov 10 03:38:54 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 19:38:54 +1100 Subject: off topic-uk money? Message-ID: On 7 Nov 95 at 15:15, M Holmes waffled: > I grew up with that system: > > 2 Farthings = 1 HalfPenny (a "Ha'penny") > 3 Pennies = 1 Thrupenny (A "Thrupenny Bit") > 6 Pennies = 1 HalfShilling (a "Tanner" or "Half a Bob") > 4 Farthings = 1 Penny > 12 Pennies = 1 Shilling (a "Bob") And down under, a "Bob" is 10 cents ..... Paul -- Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Nov 10 03:21:55 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 19:21:55 +1100 Subject: HW: Robert Calvert Message-ID: On 8 Nov 95 at 5:16, Johan Edlundh waffled: > While talking C:n Lockheed, why not mention the opening track "Aerospaceage > Inferno". Does it sound Lemmyish? My first reaction when I heard this was (at least for the first 10 seconds) that I was about to hear another version of "Motorhead". -- Thought for the day: Book (n): a utensil used to pass time while waiting for the TV repairman. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Nov 10 04:37:23 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 20:37:23 +1100 Subject: HW: Hawkdisk page update Message-ID: Gidday all, Thansk to some good kollecting by Chuck Rosenburg, there have been some additions to the 'HawkDisk' page at - http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hawkwind/ifoundhw.html Paul -- Thought for the day: Dictatorship (n): a form of government under which everything which is not prohibited is compulsory. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Nov 10 08:13:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:13:00 GMT Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199511092136.QAA17610 at dogberry> I think I upset Steve: > > were a chance to go to the bar. Case in point, Ginger Baker's solo in > > the middle of "Brainstorm" (on the HW _Levitation '80_ tour). All > > very > > clever, and all very pointless. > > Right, now you're going to get it, some things just can't escape comment > however busy I am. Cor, I don't think I've taken this much stick since I slagged _Live Chronicles_! :) I dunno, it's fifteen years ago, memories fade, so I honestly don't know which of these scenarios is most accurate: (a) it just went over my head (entirely possible) (b) up till then, I'd associated "Brainstorm" with approx. 10 minutes of BLANGA with strobes, and I was resistant to change (c) he really did go on and bloody on :) I think what I mean to say is, as a rule, drum solos don't do a lot for me, no matter how technically proficient. Al's solos were an exception, and I was, like, trying to pay him a compliment without it turning into a love-fest :) - Andy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 10 08:43:15 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:43:15 +0000 Subject: Watt's D&S (was Re: Sensitive to Criticizm?) In-Reply-To: <9511100112.AA30280@pigeon.qut.edu.au> from "Peter Sondergeld" at Nov 10, 95 11:14:38 am Message-ID: Has anyone found the Watt/Bouchard "D&S" in the UK yet? Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 10 08:49:36 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:49:36 +0000 Subject: Drum solos In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Nov 9, 95 08:50:00 pm Message-ID: > Still, at least Harvey Bainbridge never played a bass solo :) We may well thank the gods for such mercies as this! ;) Cheers, Carl From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 9 15:26:28 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 15:26:28 EST Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: > Then are are people like Alan Woody, who is damn near soloing > continously with Gov't Mule (tho he's more restrained with the Allmans). > > Cheers, > Carl Carl, My point has been made! Drummers and Bassists don't need a solo spot, 'cause the good ones are soloing all the time. Woody is carrying on the Allman tradition, as Berry was a lead bass player. My personal all-time fave bassist is Tim Bogert, though I haven't heard much from him lately. He WAS soloing all the time, and driving the band simultaneously. I always considered Albert the personification of a lead drummer. The first 3 BOC albums, his playing was so creative that he never seemed to be repeating himself, all the while somehow keeping the band anchored to the song... ted From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Nov 10 11:38:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:38:00 PST Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: I think I upset Steve: > > were a chance to go to the bar. Case in point, Ginger Baker's solo in > > the middle of "Brainstorm" (on the HW _Levitation '80_ tour). All > > very > > clever, and all very pointless. > > Right, now you're going to get it, some things just can't escape comment > however busy I am. >Cor, I don't think I've taken this much stick since I slagged _Live >Chronicles_! :) >- Andy Add me to the list too Andy. You slagged Live Chronicles? My oh my, I'm really hurting today. :>}. AB From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Nov 10 09:47:41 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:47:41 -0500 Subject: Twink Message-ID: So who would have thought Twink is a link between Hawkwind Syd Barret, Jon Lord and Norman Wisdom. Amazing ;-) Thanks jill Martyn From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Nov 10 11:47:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:47:00 PST Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: > Actually, I think bass solos are often viewed as less successful >since one need not actually be a terribly good bass player to be a bass >player in a rock band. Say what Carl? Now you just....hmmm on second thought your are correct, you really don't have to be a good bass player to play rock & roll do you. You definitely don't have to be good to play some of the newer grunge type music (hell that rulew applies to guitarist and drummers, too). Was really ready to jump into the fray (face first of course) I started to compile a list of great rock & roll bass players and then I paused. "Hmmm Carl's not saying that there aren't any, just that with R&R its not really necesarry. " Now which bands really led with their bassist? None of them really ever have. Yeah there are some pretty good and talented players but none of these guys are the complete focus of their band. A shame really some excellent musicians out there that really don't recive a lot of credit. I guess that is why when I consult my list of great bass players it is completely dominated by Jazz and R&B artist where bass plays a more prominent role. Jazz and R&B bass solos can be awesome. I think you also find more improv with R&B bassist and drummers. This is a real good thread how about talking guitar solo's next. Every good band usually has one but can anyone stomach the 5-10 minute smoking of the frets? IMO guitar like bass and drum solos are only as good as the timing accorded to it by the player, too long -lose interest, play it in the flow and "all right." My top five bassist - Stanley Clarke Percy Jones Verdine White Joe Bouchard Doug Pinnick Top five Guitarist - Buck Gary Hoey Steve Howe Rik Emmit Ty Tabor Best solo of any kind I have ever seen - The Outlaws with four guitarist taking turns on Green Grass and High Tides AB From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Nov 10 10:08:52 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:08:52 EST Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: m Right, now you're going to get it, some things just can't escape comment > however busy I am. I was going to suggest earlier that anybody > looking for a *really* good drum solo should check out the mother > of them all, 'Toad' by our own Ginger Baker (on the 'Wheels of Fire' > album by Cream). I mean this is the high point of the art, the standard > by which all other drum solos have to be measured. and here we have > a person with absolutely no taste whatsoever suggesting that one > go to the bar while the one, the only, incomparable Ginger demonstrates > how pointless it is anybody ever trying to hit anything with a stick, > without being laughed at as 'Yes but you should hear Ginger Baker do that...' > > I mean I'm speechless > > <" "> > > ...see ? > > Seriously everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but this Andy guy > is definitely working undercover for some form of demonic > power in order to pervert unsuspecting innocents ;-) :-) > > Cheers, > Steve L. [resident Ginger B nut] >Steve, Sorry, but the alltime mother of drum solos is played by Carl Palmer during Karn Evil 9 on the live ELP 'Welcome Back...' I think he dusts Baker and anyone else. It's the most melodic drum solo I ever heard, and I'd argue the most creative. Strictly MHO ted From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Fri Nov 10 10:23:20 1995 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:23:20 -0500 Subject: HW: HW Merchandise address prob? Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-08 18:56:05 EST, you write: > Can you tell me what the note says (or looks like)? If he just recently >gave >up his P.O. Box, they should've had him fill out a change of address and >forwarded any 1st and 2nd class mail to his new address for 1 yr. If he let >his P.O. Box rent expire, they should have an address on file (you have to >provide a physical address before being able to rent one), that doesn't mean >he didn't move since renting the box. Around here, they'll usually hang on to >1st class mail for a few weeks before sending it back - in case the person is >away on vacation or something and forgot about paying. > > You know too much. Disgrunteld Postal employee perhaps? regards, Bill Stewart From thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM Fri Nov 10 10:57:00 1995 From: thompsom at OSOFT_NT.BUCKHEAD.COM (Matt Thompson) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:57:00 E Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: >Sorry, but the alltime mother of drum solos is played by Carl Palmer >during Karn Evil 9 on the live ELP 'Welcome Back...' I think he dusts >Baker and anyone else. It's the most melodic drum solo I ever heard, >and I'd argue the most creative. Strictly MHO Just to add my $.02, Carl Palmer played by far the best drum solo I've ever seen/heard when I saw him with ELP. Matt From ED_TIDWELL at DELPHI.COM Fri Nov 10 12:57:28 1995 From: ED_TIDWELL at DELPHI.COM (ED_TIDWELL at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:57:28 -0500 Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: ] One of my favorite drum solos by Al was at the Cape Cod Coliseum in Yarmouth (not there any longer, Frampton Comes alive also seen there) Mass. He had a drum set on top of illuminated blocks that glowed green. During, I think, LDoM (it's been almost 20 years) with also a green lazer shooting out from the stage he was obscured by white smoke bellowing around him and the green illuminated stage. Al kept drumming to perfection whilst the visuals were tremendous. I'll never forget that night, Al !! and many others you and the boys enlightened. Ed From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Fri Nov 10 11:56:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 11:56:00 -0500 Subject: BS ordering info & note to AL Message-ID: Brand writes: > > From: ROBERT SEDLER > > > > Hi ho all! > > > > Well, I'm probably not the only one posting this tonight, but > > what the heck, here goes nuthin'. > > Got a letter from Mistah Bouchard today which was an advert for a > > three tune cassette called "Career of Christmas". It sez that it > > be updates of 3 of Al's most requested old faves. >Is this an item that won't be available in stores? If so, how do I >order a copy? How do I get on Mistah Bouchard's mailing list? >Thanks, >Brand I got on the mailing list when I ordered Trepanation directly from Al & Deb (they sent me an awesome autographed Trep graphic too. Old Torgo did cartwheels from the mailbox THAT day I'll tell ya). I still have no idea what is on the tape (yes, it's only available on cassette and is NOT available in stores) but here is the ordering info (off the top of my head, I HOPE it's correct): Career of Christmas (cassette): Total $6.00 Trepanation (CD): Total $14.00 Eponymous (CD): Total $14.00 Also available are tattoos and other stuff, plus a 3 pack of all BS albums. Make Payable to: Albert Bouchard PO box 1070 Fort George Station, New York, NY, 10040 get your RED HOT brain surgeons stuff today! ------------------------------------------------------------------- Also, To AL & Deb, Did you get my order ok? Boy I sure hope the check clears... I'm kidding I'm kidding!!! Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 10 13:08:33 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:08:33 GMT Subject: Looking for Hassan 7" and Japan LPs In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Wed, 8 Nov 1995 23:01:27 -0500 Message-ID: > While speaking to my friend Mike Coleman tonight, he mentioned that > he is particularly looking for a few items. He offered to buy or > make a beaucoup trade for any of the following: > > HW Hassan i Sahba 7" (Italian) > HW Hassan i Sahba 7" (French) so is everyone this side of Alpha Centauri..... > HW Japanese pressing LPs > One of the early ones (I think it's In Search of Space) comes up fairly regularly in Record Collector - though at a phenomenally expensive price. However there's another early one ?Doremi, I think, that has Silver Machine as an extra track and that one I've never seen mentioned. > Oh yeah, he's also looking for one of the first pressing digipaks > of ALIEN4 (recently discussed here), but not as badly. > Ah - I wish you'd asked that yesterday. I've just posted my spare copy off to someone. Sorry! > Anyways, if any of ya'll just happen to have an extra copy of one > of the above laying around and are willing to part with it, give > him a call at (214) 991 - 6621. > chance would be a fine thing! 8-) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Nov 10 14:17:34 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:17:34 -0500 Subject: OFF TOPIC: Spacious Mind hunt Message-ID: One of the abso-frickin-lootly most mind-blowing releases I've heard this year was from Sweden's The Spacious Mind. I have picked up "Cosmic Minds at Play" (OUTSTANDING) and "Inorganic Mind Solution" (some great parts, not as consistent). I see in Goldmine somebody listing another release called "Sleepy Eyes and Butterflies" (2LP). Has anybody seen/heard this? Is it available on CD?! I assume this (like the other two) is also a Sweden-only import. Inquiringly-cosmic minds want to know... Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObDisappointment: Joe Satriani "Joe Satriani" :-( From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 10 14:39:09 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 19:39:09 GMT Subject: Bob Calvert project Message-ID: I am reminded that there used to be a record shop in Newcastle where the proprietor was a close personal friend of Bob Calvert during the time he was with Hawkwind and afterwards as well. The shop also was usually well supplied with Hawkwind vinyl of more or less rare quality. Can anyone here (I ask those of longggggg memory) recall the name of that shop or the proprietor, or have any idea if it is still around. I visited it once, it was little more than a yellow portacabin on a wide freeway, near (I think) a bridge or underpass. Is there anyone from the Newcastle area mailing to this list..... Just thought I could pass this info onto the guy involved in the Robert Calvert project. ta jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Nov 10 14:51:58 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:51:58 -0500 Subject: Bob Calvert project In-Reply-To: <9511101939.aa10960@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Nov 10, 95 07:39:09 pm Message-ID: > > I am reminded that there used to be a record shop in Newcastle where the > proprietor was a close personal friend of Bob Calvert during the time he > was with Hawkwind and afterwards as well. The shop also was usually > well supplied with Hawkwind vinyl of more or less rare quality. > > Can anyone here (I ask those of longggggg memory) recall the name of > that shop or the proprietor, or have any idea if it is still around. I > visited it once, it was little more than a yellow portacabin on a wide > freeway, near (I think) a bridge or underpass. > A little braincell is yelling "Oldhitz!" Does that help? Otherwise, I can sift thru my old posts that I've archived (last count 1500+) > Is there anyone from the Newcastle area mailing to this list..... > > Just thought I could pass this info onto the guy involved in the Robert > Calvert project. > > ta > > jill > > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From weberr at POBOX.TCS-INC.COM Fri Nov 10 14:55:02 1995 From: weberr at POBOX.TCS-INC.COM (Robert Weber) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:55:02 -0500 Subject: BOC In my Mouth or on the Ground Message-ID: Back in 1980 in Ft. Lauderdale, I found a vinyl pressing entitled "In my mouth or on the Ground" with a photo of BOC circa New York City 1972" Unfortunately, I was robbed of this precious item. Does anybody have this item? I think the songs were as follows: Stairway to the Stars The Red and the Black Seven Screaming Diz-Busters Workshop of the Telescopes thanks...........weberr at pobox-tcs-inc.com From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Nov 10 15:20:44 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:20:44 -0500 Subject: Trepanation Revisited Message-ID: I was tiying up some old files on a lazy Friday afternoon when I came upon the following which i had downloaded from the list about 6 months ago. I thought I would post it again for anyone who missed it: Martyn From: Gary Wingert Subject: THE PEOPLE WITH HOLES IN THEIR HEADS Sender: BOCL at spcvxa.spc.edu In honor of The Brain Surgeons new effort, _Trepanation_, I thought I'd forward an article about it. Be forewarned, those of you queasy-types, this is graphic! You will probably experience sympathy pains! OBAside: There actually used to be a mailing list similar to this one, called TREPAN-D, at Brown University! --- Forwarded mail from Linda Branagan This is only for the *truly* sick. I don't suggest reading it immediately before a meal. --Linda --- Forwarded mail from Keith Bostic To: /dev/null at python.bostic.com >>From _Eccentric Lives & Peculiar Notions_ by John Michell. THE PEOPLE WITH HOLES IN THEIR HEADS Amanda Feilding lives in a charming flat looking over London's river with her companion, Joey Mellen, and their infant son, Rock. She is a successful painter, and she and Joey have an art gallery in a fashionable street of the King's Road. Another of her talents is for politics. At the last two General Elections she stood for Parliament in Chelsea, more than doubling her vote on the second occasion from 49 to 139. It does not sound much, but the cause for which she stands is unfamiliar and lacks obvious appeal. Feilding and her voters demand that trepanning operations be made freely available on the National Health. Trepanation means cutting a hole in your skull. The founder of the trepanation movement is a Dutch savant, Dr Bart Hughes. In 1962 he made a discovery which his followers proclaim as the most significant in modern times. One's state and degree of consciousness, he realized, are related to the volume of blood in the brain. According to his theory of evolution, the adoption of an upright stance brought certain benefits to the human race, but it caused the flow of blood through the head to be limited by gravity, thus reducing the range of human consciousness. Certain parts of the brain ceased or reduced their functions while others, particularly those parts relating to speech and reasoning, became emphasized in compensation. One can redress the balance by a number of methods, such as standing on one's head, jumping from a hot bath into a cold one, or the use of drugs; but the wider consciousness thus obtained is only temporary. Bart Hughes shared the common goal of mystics and poets in all ages: he wanted to achieve permanently the higher level of vision, which he associated with an increased volume of blood in the capillaries of the brain. The higher state of mind he sought was that of childhood. Babies are born with skulls unsealed, and it is not until one is an adult that the bony carapace is formed which completely encloses the membranes surrounding the brain and inhibits their pulsations in repsonse to heart-beats. In consequence, the adult loses touch with the dreams, imagination and intense perceptions of the child. His mental balance becomes upset by egoism and neuroses. To cure these problems, first in himself and then for the whole world, Dr Huges returned his cranium to something like the condition of infancy by cutting out a small disc of bone with an electric drill. Experiencing immediate beneficial effects from this operation, he began preaching to anyone who would listen to the doctrine of trepanation. By liberating his brain from its total imprisonment in his skull, he claimed to have restored its pulsations, increased the volume of blood in it and acquired a more complete, satisfying state of consciousness than grown-up people normally enjoy. The medical and legal authorities reacted to Huges's discovery with horror and rewarded him with a spell in a Dutch lunatic asylum. Joseph Mellen met Bart Huges in 1965 in Ibiza and quickly became his leading, or rather one and only, disciple. Years later he wrote a book called _Bore Hole_, the contents of which are summarized in its opening sentence: 'This is the story of how I came to drill a hole in my skull to get permanently high.' . . . (a few paragraphs detail Joseph Mellen's early experiments with LSD, and how he finds out about Bart Huges.) The time came when Joey felt he had preached enough and that he now had to act. He did not agree with Holingshead that the third eye was merely a figure of speech, believing in its physical attainment through self-trepanation. Support for this can be found in archaeology. Skulls of ancient people all over the world give evidence that their owners were skillfully trepanned during their lifetimes, and many of these appear to have been of noble or priestly castes. The medical practice of trepanation was continued up to the present century in treatment of madness, the hole in the skull being seen as a way of relieving pressure on the brain or letting out the devils that possessed it. By his scientific explanation of the reasons for the operation, Bart Huges had removed it from the area of superstition, and Joey Mellen proposed to be the second person to perform it on himself in the interest of enlightenment. Bart had become a close friend of Amanda Feilding, and they went off to Amsterdam together while Joey took care of Amanda's flat. This was the opportunity he had been waiting for to bore a hole in his head. The most gripping passages in _Bore Hole_ describe his various attempts to complete the operation. They are also extremely gruesome, and those who lack medical curiosity would do well to read no further. Yet to those who might contemplate trepanation for and by themselves, Joey's experiences are a salutary warning. It should be empahasized that neither he, Bart nor Amanda has ever recommended people to follow their example by performing their own operations. For years they have been looking for doctors who would understand their theories and would agree to trepan volunteer patients as a form of therapy. Strangely enough, not one member of the medical profession has been converted. In a surgical store Joey found a trepan instrument, a kind of auger or cork- screw designed to be worked by hand. It was much cheaper and, Joey felt, more sensitive than an electric drill. Its main feature was a metal spike, surrounded by a ring of saw-teeth. The spike was meant to be driven into the skull, holding the trepan steady until the revolving saw made a groove, after which it could be retracted. If all went well, the saw-band should remove a disc of bone and expose the brain. Joey's first attempt at self-trepanation was a fiasco. He had no previous medical experience, and the needles he had bought for administering a local anaesthetic to the crown of his head proved to be too thin and crumpled up or broke. Next day he obtained some stouter needles, took a tab of LSD to steady his nerves and set to in earnest. First he made an incision to the bone, and then applied the trepan to his bared skull. But the first part of the operation, driving the spike into the bone, was impossible to accomplish. Joey described it as like trying to uncork a bottle from the inside. He realized he needed help and telephoned Bart in Amsterdam, who promised he would come over and assist at the next operation. This plan was frustrated by the Home Office, which listed Dr Huges as an undesirable visitor to Britain and barred his entry. Amanda agreed to take his place. Soon after her return to London she helped Joey re-open the wound in his head and, by pressing the trepan with all her might against his skull, managed to get the spike to take hold and the saw- teeth to bite. Joey then took over at cranking the saw. Once again he had swallowed some LSD. After a long period of sawing, just as he was about to break through, he suddenly fainted. Amanda called an ambulance and he was taken to hospital, where horrified doctors told him that he was lucky to be alive and that if he had drilled a fraction of an inch further he would have killed himself. The psychiatrists took a particular interest in his case, and a group of them arranged to examine him. Before this could be done, he had to appear in court on a charge of possessing a small amount of cannabis. The magistrate demanded another psychiatrist's report and demanded him for a week in prison. There followed a period of embarrassment as the rumour went round London that Joey Mellen had trepanned himself, whereas in fact he had failed to do so. As soon as possible, therefore, he prepared for a third attempt. Proceeding as before, but now with the benefit of experience, he soon found the groove from the previous operation and began to saw through the sliver of bone separating him from enlightenment or, as the doctors had predicted, instant death. What followed is best quoted from _Bore Hole_. 'After some time there was an ominous sounding schlurp and the sound of bubbling. I drew the trepan out and the gurgling continued. It sounded like air bubbles running under the skull as they were pressed out. I looked at the trepan and there was a bit of bone in it. At last! On closer inspection I saw that the disc of bone was much deeper on one side than on the other. Obviously the trepan had not been straight and had gone through at one point only, then the piece of bone had snapped off and come out. I was reluctant to start drilling again for fear of damaging the brain membranes with the deeper part while I was cutting through the rest or of breaking off a splinter. If only I had an electric drill it would have been so much simpler. Amanda was sure I was through. There seemed no other explanation for the schlurping noises I decided to call it a day. At the time I thought that any hole would do, no matter what size. I bandaged up my head and cleared away the mess.' There was still doubt in his mind as to whether he had really broken through and, if so, whether the hole was big enough to restore pulsation to his brain. The operation had left him with a feeling of wellbeing, but he realized that it could simply be from relief at having ended it. To put the matter beyond doubt, he decided to bore another hole at a new spot just above the hairline, this time using an electric drill. In the spring of 1970, Amanda was in America and Joey did the operation alone. He applied the drill to his forehead, but after half and hour's work the electric cable burnt out. Once again he was frustrated. An engineer in the flat below him was able to repair the instrument and next day he set out to finish the job. 'This time I was not in any doubt. The drill head went at least an inch deep through the hole. A great gush of blood followed my withdrawal of the drill. In the mirror I could see the blood in the hole rising and falling with the pulsation of the brain.' The result was all he had hoped for. During the next four hours he felt his spirits rising higher until he reached a state of freedom and serenity which he claims, has been with him ever since. For some time now he had been sharing a flat with Amanda, and when she came back from America she immediately noticed the change in him. This encouraged her to join him on the mental plane by doing her own trepanation. The operation was carefully recorded. She had obtained a cine-camera, and Joey stood by, filming, as she attacked her head with an electric drill. The film shows her carefully at work, dressed in a blood-spattered white robe. She shaves her head, makes an incision in her head with a scalpel and calmly starts drilling. Blood spurts as she penetrates the skull. She lays aside the drill and with a triumphant smile advances towards Joey and the camera. Ever since, Joey and amanda have lived and worked together in harmony. >>From the business of buying old prints to colour and resell, they have progressed to ownership of the Pigeonhole Gallery and seem reasonably prosperous. They have also started a family. There is nothing apparently abnormal about them, and many of their old friends agree in finding them even more pleasant and contented since their operations. There is plenty of leisure in their lives, mingled with the kind of activities they most enjoy. These of course include talking and writing about trepanation. They have lectured widely in Europe and America to groups of doctors and other interested people, showing the film of Amanda's self-operation, entitled _Heartbeat in the Brain_. It is generally received with awe, the sight of blood often causing people to faint. At one showing in London a film critic described the audience 'dropping off their seats one by one like ripe plums'. Yet it was not designed to be gruesome. The soundtrack is of soothing music, and the surgical scenes alternate with some delightful motion studies of Amanda's pet pigeon, Birdie, as a symbol of peace and wisdom." From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Nov 10 16:00:55 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 16:00:55 -0500 Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: > From: Andrew Gilham > > In-Reply-To: <199511092136.QAA17610 at dogberry> > > I think I upset Steve: > > > > were a chance to go to the bar. Case in point, Ginger Baker's solo in > > > the middle of "Brainstorm" (on the HW _Levitation '80_ tour). All > > > very > > > clever, and all very pointless. > > > > Right, now you're going to get it, some things just can't escape comment > > however busy I am. > > Cor, I don't think I've taken this much stick since I slagged _Live > Chronicles_! :) I didn't see the original attribution, so maybe this is a different Steve you're talking about. But it looks like you've mistaken some other poster for me. Understandable, since sometimes it seems like my mission in life is to run around this list spanking you for all the nonsense things you say. ;-) In this case, though, I agree with you. Ginger Baker is normally a wonderful drummer, but somehow this has gotten to his head, and made him think that we want to listen to him a lot more than we really do. A drummer with a guitar player's ego is a terrible thing indeed. ;-) Steve From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Fri Nov 10 16:02:01 1995 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 16:02:01 -0500 Subject: Bob Calvert project Message-ID: > > > > Can anyone here (I ask those of longggggg memory) recall the name of > > that shop or the proprietor, or have any idea if it is still around. I > > visited it once, it was little more than a yellow portacabin on a wide > > freeway, near (I think) a bridge or underpass. > > > A little braincell is yelling "Oldhitz!" Does that help? Otherwise, > I can sift thru my old posts that I've archived (last count 1500+) ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk I got Oldhitz Records, Dept. ICU c/o Overground PO Box 1NW Newcastle NE99 1NW U.K. from a quick search for Newcastle references, could this be it as Craig suggests ? Cheers, Steve L. From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Fri Nov 10 16:31:35 1995 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 16:31:35 -0500 Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: Steve 'Spawn of Satan' Swann sez: > > In this case, though, I agree with you. Ginger Baker is normally a > wonderful drummer, but somehow this has gotten to his head, and made him > think that we want to listen to him a lot more than we really do. A > drummer with a guitar player's ego is a terrible thing indeed. ;-) > > Steve > Right, you too ! You're on the list now!, you guys think just cuz you've long hair covering that little "666" on the back of your head (and obviously your earlugs too) that you're safe ! Well just keep on thinking that, cos one of these days me and the rest of the GBIAGS (Ginger Baker Is A God Society) are going come round and play a double bass drum solo on something that'll really hurt, just when you least expect it. As for you Carl Palmer fans well the only reason you folks ain't getting it yet, is beacuse I haven't heard the ELP solo you mention but I've got to wonder, what did you say the name of the album was ? "Karn *Evil* 9" sounds pretty damn suspicious to me ! [Sorry its Friday what can I say :-) ] Cheers, Steve L. Anybody looking for good recent Ginger baker might want to try Unseen Rain (all instrumental drums/bass/piano with Jonas Hellborg and someone else pretty jazzy but really good atmospheric stuff) or maybe Middle Pasages from a few years ago with Jah Wobble on bass, this is again all instrumental but much in a rock context and actually starts to sound Floydish in places. I'd stay away from the BBM stuff, he's a lot better playing Jazz stylings these days than straight rock. From jguizar at EPIX.NET Fri Nov 10 17:13:23 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:13:23 EST Subject: OFF TOPIC: Spacious Mind hunt Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:17:34 -0500 Capt. Cloud wrote: > One of the abso-frickin-lootly most mind-blowing releases I've > heard this year was from Sweden's The Spacious Mind. I have picked > up "Cosmic Minds at Play" (OUTSTANDING) and "Inorganic Mind > Solution" (some great parts, not as consistent). Where did you pick them up? I've been trying to find some of their music. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Nov 10 16:57:15 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 16:57:15 -0500 Subject: BBM In-Reply-To: <199511102131.QAA08508@dogberry> from "Stephen Lindsey" at Nov 10, 95 04:31:35 pm Message-ID: Stephen Lindsey writes: > starts to sound Floydish in places. I'd stay away from the BBM stuff, > he's a lot better playing Jazz stylings these days than straight rock. Hmmm... I was going to ask if anyone could tell me anything about the BBM stuff as I saw it in a shop a while ago but passed on it due to financial considerations. I've always had a big soft spot for Gary Moore, so when I saw him teamed up with notables such as Ginger Baker and Jack Bruce, it quite understandably raised an eyebrow. But from what you say, it's not very good. Anything in particular, or is it just bland? It's odd that they're playing straight rock, given the blues kick Moore has been on, and the normal jazz leanings of Bruce... Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. "Jimi... I want to kill you..." --- The Bevis Frond, "Sue Me", _Superseeder_ From jguizar at EPIX.NET Fri Nov 10 17:20:23 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:20:23 EST Subject: HW: HW Merchandise address prob? Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:23:20 -0500 Bill wrote: >In a message dated 95-11-08 18:56:05 EST, you write: > >> Can you tell me what the note says (or looks like)? If he just recently >>gave >>up his P.O. Box, they should've had him fill out a change of address and >>forwarded any 1st and 2nd class mail to his new address for 1 yr. If he let >>his P.O. Box rent expire, they should have an address on file (you have to >>provide a physical address before being able to rent one), that doesn't mean >>he didn't move since renting the box. Around here, they'll usually hang on >>to 1st class mail for a few weeks before sending it back - in case the person >>is away on vacation or something and forgot about paying. > >You know too much. Disgrunteld Postal employee perhaps? ;-{) Where'd you say you lived ( I have to catch up on target practice)..... USPS yep, disgruntled - wait about two more weeks when the Christmas mailing starts. The only thing I hate is the Junk..err Bulk Business Mail. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Nov 10 18:57:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:57:00 PST Subject: Modified Directory Message-ID: To be delivered to the list once it is in text form the modified short form directory. Several people are missing e-mail addresses, age and in one case the real name. Please review and provide me with the data. The document will be a text attachment and posted monday 11/13/95. Have a good weekend. THX AB From jguizar at EPIX.NET Fri Nov 10 17:31:37 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:31:37 EST Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:47:00 PST you wrote: > > Actually, I think bass solos are often viewed as less successful >>since one need not actually be a terribly good bass player to be a bass >>player in a rock band. > >Say what Carl? Now you just....hmmm on second thought your are correct, you >really don't have to be a good bass player to play rock & roll do you. You >definitely don't have to be good to play some of the newer grunge type music >(hell that rulew applies to guitarist and drummers, too). Was really ready >to jump into the fray (face first of course) I started to compile a list of >great rock & roll bass players and then I paused. "Hmmm Carl's not saying >that there aren't any, just that with R&R its not really necesarry. " Now >which bands really led with their bassist? None of them really ever have. Ummm, Morphine? I have a Jimi Hendrix album back home (forget the name). I has 8 or so songs with I believe it was him, Jimmy Page, and someone else just jamming. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Nov 10 18:41:03 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 16:41:03 -0700 Subject: BOC In my Mouth or on the Ground In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sounds like a bootleg of the "bootleg". In other words,"Live Bootleg" was probally re-recorded by somebody and made into an album. The songs seem to be the same as of the official "Live Bootleg", which was in fact released in 1972 by Columbia. If in fact it is something different, it would be interseting to see exactly what it is. Later......Manuel in NM. Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Nov 10 19:36:03 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 19:36:03 -0500 Subject: BOC in Cleveland Message-ID: Heelo all, I was just wonderin' if anyone here was going to the Nov. 18 BOC show at The Edge in Cleve. I will be there with a couple buddy's from work. I will post right before the show to let anyone here know how to spot me, as I will make the same offer to you all that I made for the Nik show. Anyone from the list that spots me and introduces themselves to me, I will burn one with them, ( If you are so inclined ). Duane -- From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Fri Nov 10 20:19:44 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 20:19:44 -0500 Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: The Cape Cod coliseum is no more? What happened? Did they replace it with another venue... boy, it was one of the WORST sounding places...I once had to review Foreigner there... that's another story... -DF From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 10 20:42:48 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 01:42:48 GMT Subject: Karn Evil In-Reply-To: Stephen Lindsey's message of Fri, 10 Nov 1995 16:31:35 -0500 Message-ID: > > is beacuse I haven't heard the ELP solo you mention but I've got to wonder, > what did you say the name of the album was ? "Karn *Evil* 9" sounds > pretty damn suspicious to me ! > Ah - such ignorance! It's a wordplay derived from "Carnival". Listening to it though always makes me think of Ray Bradbury's scary Carnival stories - particularly the one where the horses on the merry-go-round go backwards and reverse the passage of Time as well. I suspect Bradbury is why Moorcock had such a subconscious fascination with fairground stuff - though it may just be another case of parallel evolution in action. > > [Sorry its Friday what can I say :-) ] > Ah the weak-end "Welcome Now My Friends/To The Show That Never Ends We're So Glad You Could Attend/Come Inside, Come Inside...." jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 10 20:47:07 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 01:47:07 GMT Subject: Bob Calvert project In-Reply-To: Craig Shipley's message of Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:51:58 -0500 Message-ID: > > I am reminded that there used to be a record shop in Newcastle where the > > proprietor was a close personal friend of Bob Calvert during the time he > > > A little braincell is yelling "Oldhitz!" Does that help? Otherwise, That's it! I'm sure of it. Many thanks 8-)) jill > I can sift thru my old posts that I've archived (last count 1500+) > Wow! That could be useful - I keep having to dump my archive as space runs out 8-( ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From PaulR208 at AOL.COM Fri Nov 10 21:34:16 1995 From: PaulR208 at AOL.COM (Paul Rosenblatt) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 21:34:16 -0500 Subject: BOC In my Mouth or on the Ground Message-ID: I have In My Mouth or On the Ground and it is the same as the live bootleg. Workshop Citie's R&B Boogie Recorded at Nugget's Pizza Parlor, Rochester, NY 1972 Paul From skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM Fri Nov 10 22:16:18 1995 From: skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM (Skip Galvin) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 19:16:18 -0800 Subject: BOC In my Mouth or on the Ground In-Reply-To: <951110213415_18978125@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Nov 1995, Paul Rosenblatt wrote: > I have In My Mouth or On the Ground and it is the same as the live bootleg. > Workshop > Citie's > R&B > Boogie > Recorded at Nugget's Pizza Parlor, Rochester, NY 1972 > > Paul > I've got a tape of this and it also has Stairway, Trans MC, LDofM, Born to be Wild and Before the Kiss. There may be another tune, I'm not sure From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Fri Nov 10 22:26:21 1995 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:26:21 -0500 Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: I remember a Golden Earring show about 20 years ago in which the drummer finished off an excellent solo with an explosion which propelled him into a perfect somersault over the drums, where he landed on his feet and took a bow for the stunned audience. You sure don't see that sort of thing much anymore. Mike Watt has it all wrong - the '70s rooled! - Chris "Everybody's colored - otherwise you wouldn't be able to see 'em." - Beefheart From ED_TIDWELL at DELPHI.COM Fri Nov 10 22:45:55 1995 From: ED_TIDWELL at DELPHI.COM (ED_TIDWELL at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:45:55 -0500 Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: Yep! They tore down that place years ago, and I don't believe there's another in it's place. It was good for hockey, etc. I guess. The sound quality was bad at times, but Al sounded good. Ed From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Nov 11 01:54:48 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 01:54:48 -0500 Subject: BOC: R&R Hall of Fame Message-ID: Yeah, and compile all the covers (and rip-offs) of a band and that oughtta be somewhat of an indicator of how influential a band has been. Watt doing these recent BOC songs and even w/superstars like Vedder is the most mainstream people I've ever seen involved w/BOC. I saw the list of BOC covers people had here a while back, and most of the artists were underground. All around, it's hard to say just how internationally influential BOC has been, but probably not much compared to Beatles, Zeppelin and cult bands such as HW. Speaking of that, are we up for a BOC Covers tape(s)? Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Nov 11 02:54:59 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 02:54:59 -0500 Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: Palmer is tough to beat but what about Peart's solo on Rush's SECOND double-live, Exit Stage Left?? In a class of it's own. Displays virtuosity AND creativity... Chuck From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Sat Nov 11 06:02:09 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 11:02:09 +0000 Subject: Bob Calvert project In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 11 Nov 1995 01:47:07 GMT." <9511110147.aa12849@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: > > > I am reminded that there used to be a record shop in Newcastle where the > > > proprietor was a close personal friend of Bob Calvert during the time he > > > > > A little braincell is yelling "Oldhitz!" Does that help? Otherwise, > > That's it! I'm sure of it. Many thanks 8-)) > > jill Oh, OK. I was just about to post that I kinda remember it not being that. I've been to the shop (indeed a yellow portakabin type thing on a car park at the back of the Eldon Square shopping centre) whilst at uni. Jason, did you ever go there ??? Tim From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Nov 11 07:37:00 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:37:00 +0000 Subject: Drum solos In-Reply-To: <9511110209.AA5560@worldcom-45.worldcom.com> from "Chris Baxley" at Nov 10, 95 10:26:21 pm Message-ID: > I remember a Golden Earring show about 20 years ago in which the drummer > finished off an excellent solo with an explosion which propelled him into a > perfect > somersault over the drums, where he landed on his feet and took a bow for the > stunned audience. You sure don't see that sort of thing much anymore. So, will tBS be incorporating this kind of thing for Al into their stage show ... ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Nov 11 07:47:48 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:47:48 +0000 Subject: Drum solos In-Reply-To: <199511102100.QAA10802@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Nov 10, 95 04:00:55 pm Message-ID: > A drummer with a guitar player's ego is a terrible thing indeed. ;-) _Anyone_ with a guitar player's ego is a terrible thing! ;) Carl "known to occasionally shed guitar picks in the bathtub" Anderson From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Sat Nov 11 09:50:35 1995 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 09:50:35 -0500 Subject: BOC In my Mouth or on the Ground Message-ID: I have this album - in fact I have seen it in two different forms: once with a black and white photo of the band (circa 1971 or '72) on the sleave and once with a bizarre hand drawn cartoon printed on blue paper. The discs do indeed contain the same recordings that are found on the Bootleg EP. Shawn From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sat Nov 11 11:33:24 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 11:33:24 -0500 Subject: Karn Evil Message-ID: > >> >Ah - such ignorance! It's a wordplay derived from "Carnival". >Listening to it though always makes me think of Ray Bradbury's scary >Carnival stories - particularly the one where the horses on the >merry-go-round go backwards and reverse the passage of Time as well. I >suspect Bradbury is why Moorcock had such a subconscious fascination >with fairground stuff - though it may just be another case of parallel >evolution in action. > Would this story be " Something Wicked This Way Comes" ? A very good story indeed. Disney Studios also made a very fine movie of this book. Duane -- From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sat Nov 11 13:41:39 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 13:41:39 -0500 Subject: Neil's turnin 50 Message-ID: Neil Young - born November 12 1945. and still rocking M From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Sat Nov 11 14:07:20 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 14:07:20 -0500 Subject: BOC Web Page Message-ID: Surfing the net today, I came across the following: http://www.sony.com/Music/ArtistInfo/BOC/MapStart.html leads to some BOC pics and a WotT page See ya Martyn From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Sat Nov 11 19:24:35 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 19:24:35 -0500 Subject: Bloody Drum solos Message-ID: > I remember a Golden Earring show about 20 years ago in which the > drummer finished off an excellent solo with an explosion which > propelled him into a perfect > somersault over the drums, where he landed on his feet and took a bow for > the stunned audience. You sure don't see that sort of thing much > anymore. Ahh, but I saw what was probably one of the last of those. One night when we were touring with GE the drumer went to do his 'over the drumset' bit and his trowsers got caught on the top of a cymbal stand. Instead of landing on his feet he landed on his head and got a nasty cut on his leg as well, an embarassing climax to his solo. He ran around and finished the rest of the bloody set anyway because he was a real trooper. Al From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat Nov 11 20:38:57 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 20:38:57 -0500 Subject: BS ordering info & note to AL Message-ID: Yes, got your order. Thanks. --DF From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sun Nov 12 02:01:51 1995 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 23:01:51 -0800 Subject: Bloody Drum solos Message-ID: > >> I remember a Golden Earring show about 20 years ago in which the >> drummer finished off an excellent solo with an explosion which >> propelled him into a perfect >> somersault over the drums, I seem to recall hearing that he died a short while back. Damn shame. From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Nov 12 02:10:36 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 08:10:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Undisclosed Metal Shield Box Message-ID: Hi, Just asked former list member PYAT from Griffin about their HW releases. He finished his answear with this sentence: >Metal Shield box was never released Is there anyone who had try to order this? What was the results? Anybody who has seen this item? Also guess kompletists could draw a line over this entry in the HW back catalouge. \\joe From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Nov 12 02:10:32 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 08:10:32 +0100 Subject: HW: Cover Covers Comments Message-ID: Hi, Just found a postscript printer to print the downloaded cover cover on :o) First impressions: Looks good! Looks professional! Front side: Twinheaded Hawk standing on the Blue Oyster Cross, spreading his Radio Wave Wings over the Earth. Beside is tracklist (no Swedish covers on Vol I!?!) taking 60% of front cover. Inside: BOC-l disclaimer, added with BOC-l Internet adresse in courier (?) and an incarnation of the Space Ritual logo. Shelf side (the side you see when put on a shelf) First section (40%) is the logo of the series "Hawkwind Covers All" - "Hawkwind" in HotMG style, and "Covers All" in smaller Rodney Matthews font below. Next section is the tape's name: "Volume I: I am a Clone / I am not alone". Last is a dark circle with a white twin headed hawk/spreaded wings. Back side: Dark background/ light text "Hawkwind Covers All" I buy this work as it is - no change really needed - but this is my $0.02 to making a good thing looks better (IMHO, of course): Back side and Shelf side - cannot improve this - the dark circle with the twin headed hawk is a hit - exactly right picture in right place :o) Front side - let the Nethawks logo fill the whole side - try to find another (hotter) font for "Nethawks". Move the tracklist to inside. Inside - turn the the BOC-l disclaimer 90 degrees and make it much smaller, don't think it's nessecary it takes 75% of side. Put it on side bottom. Let the tracklist from front side be on top of this side - and if space left over, let the Space Ritual logo be in the middle. And take away the BOC-l adresse from this side - it's enough to have it on front side (or at least change font - courier don't fits here - and put it inside the disclaimer: "...produced by the BOC-l Mailing List - boc-l at spcvxa.spc.edu - as a labor of love..." comments? \\joe\do look forward to see volume II hawkjoe at eka.ericsson.se '...maa dina fienders skaegg vaexa inaat' From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Nov 12 07:34:00 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 12:34:00 +0000 Subject: HW: Undisclosed Metal Shield Box In-Reply-To: <9511120710.AC03781@sonor> from "Johan Edlundh" at Nov 12, 95 08:10:36 am Message-ID: > Just asked former list member PYAT from Griffin about their HW releases. > He finished his answear with this sentence: > >Metal Shield box was never released > Is there anyone who had try to order this? What was the results? > Anybody who has seen this item? Hmm. There _was_ a 'Metal Shield box' Motorhead release from Griffin. It was their Motorhead compilation CD which was also released with the _Collector's Guide to Motorhead_ book, except this release was with a metal 'shield' of the Motorhead 'war pig' emblem. Perhaps a similar release with the Hawkwind 'doremi' shield emblem was planned? Cheers, Carl From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Nov 12 10:18:54 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 10:18:54 -0500 Subject: OFFTOP: more Sundial..... Message-ID: jerry asks:>> What about the CDS _Fazer_?<< i didn't list this one,because i bought it about a year ago,slapped it on a shelf,and wiped it from my memory.thanks for reminding me it exists.i guess i'll go listen to it now....sheesh! :D rj From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sun Nov 12 11:12:08 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 11:12:08 -0500 Subject: Bloody Drum solos Message-ID: > >> I remember a Golden Earring show about 20 years ago in which the >> drummer finished off an excellent solo with an explosion which >> propelled him into a perfect >> somersault over the drums, where he landed on his feet and took a bow for >> the stunned audience. You sure don't see that sort of thing much >> anymore. > > Ahh, but I saw what was probably one of the last of those. One night when we were touring with GE the drumer went to do his 'over the drumset' bit and his trowsers got caught on the top of a cymbal stand. Instead of landing on his feet he landed on his head and got a nasty cut on his leg as well, an embarassing climax to his solo. He ran around and finished the rest of the bloody set anyway because he was a real trooper. >Al > > Throughout all this talk of drum solos, I am surprised I have not seen anyone mention Jon Bonham, perhaps one of the best rock n' roll drummers ever. What other drummer could have an entire song written around a solo? ( Moby Dick ) Duane -- From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Sun Nov 12 12:19:59 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 11:19:59 -0600 Subject: MM and carnivals (was Re: Karn Evil) In-Reply-To: <9511110142.aa12593@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Nov 1995, J Strobridge wrote: > Ah - such ignorance! It's a wordplay derived from "Carnival". > Listening to it though always makes me think of Ray Bradbury's scary > Carnival stories - particularly the one where the horses on the > merry-go-round go backwards and reverse the passage of Time as well. I > suspect Bradbury is why Moorcock had such a subconscious fascination > with fairground stuff - though it may just be another case of parallel > evolution in action. Other than his stuff with the Deep Fix, I'm unaware of MM carvial's fascination: care to expand on the comment? Please? :-) Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Nov 12 13:55:29 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 18:55:29 +0000 Subject: Bloody Drum solos In-Reply-To: <199511121612.AA27919@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Nov 12, 95 11:12:08 am Message-ID: > Throughout all this talk of drum solos, I am surprised I have not seen > anyone mention Jon Bonham, perhaps one of the best rock n' roll drummers > ever. What other drummer could have an entire song written around a solo? > ( Moby Dick ) Actually, I mentioned John Bonham and (while not to denigrate the man's obvious coolness on the skins) did so primarily to say I thought the live drum solo in the _Song Remains the Same_ film was pretty dull :} Actually, I always likes the cool guitar riffing in Moby Dick much better than the drum solo, but that's because I'm an unrepentant barbarian :) Cheers, Carl From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon Nov 13 08:37:10 1995 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 08:37:10 EST Subject: Drum solos In-Reply-To: ; from "Andrew Gilham" at Nov 10, 95 01:13:00 pm Message-ID: > > In-Reply-To: <199511092136.QAA17610 at dogberry> > > I think I upset Steve: > > > > were a chance to go to the bar. Case in point, Ginger Baker's solo in > > > the middle of "Brainstorm" (on the HW _Levitation '80_ tour). All > > > very > > > clever, and all very pointless. > > > > Right, now you're going to get it, some things just can't escape comment > > however busy I am. > > Cor, I don't think I've taken this much stick since I slagged _Live > Chronicles_! :) > > I dunno, it's fifteen years ago, memories fade, so I honestly don't know > which of these scenarios is most accurate: > > (a) it just went over my head (entirely possible) > > (b) up till then, I'd associated "Brainstorm" with approx. 10 minutes of > BLANGA with strobes, and I was resistant to change > > (c) he really did go on and bloody on :) I totally agree with andy on this,Brainstorm was totally messed up,and the drum solo went on wayyy tooo long.I also am a bit biased since I was expecting Blake to be at the gig ,but he had left :-( so wasn't to happy. However I must admit to changing my tune re ginger baker's drumming after I watched the special on cream,but the fact is/was Baker + Hawkwind = Not too good. Ginger also lost brownie points giving Harvey so much stick,ok he maybe not the worlds best bass player,but I liked the way he hit the ivories ,and pressed the sequencer go button. regards Marty From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sun Nov 12 16:02:09 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 21:02:09 GMT Subject: MM and carnivals (was Re: Karn Evil) In-Reply-To: Allan T Grohe Jr's message of Sun, 12 Nov 1995 11:19:59 -0600 Message-ID: > > suspect Bradbury is why Moorcock had such a subconscious fascination > > with fairground stuff - though it may just be another case of parallel > > evolution in action. > > Other than his stuff with the Deep Fix, I'm unaware of MM carvial's > fascination: care to expand on the comment? Please? :-) > I just remembered him mentioning this in the question and answer interview MM gave us a while back. I've just checked it up again and (on the understanding, as we originally requested, that copies are not made and distributed without first asking our permission) I enclose the relevant extract below. The Questions are composed by Mike Holmes, the answers are MMs as expressed on a tape which we subsequently transcribed. ************************** Extract from tape interview by Michael Moorcock in answer to a series of written questions sent on behalf of boc-l > The Deep fix album involves a lot of concepts which appear in your > stories: the idea of people getting on with things in a post-apocalyptic > situation, the "last fairground" which appeared in a particularly > evocative short story of yours, and a certain sort of dark humour. Is > that what you were trying to get into the album or did you have other > things in mind? That's right. Essentially it's the same use of symbolism that I use in the stories and there's a certain amount of moral thematic material and that sort of thing. And, yeah, dark humour, if you like - irony or whatever you want to call it is there, as it is in the books. > Did you get what you wanted into it in the end? Not really. No I didn't. I really would like to work on that again, just in terms of remixing let alone anything else. But there it is, there's not much chance of it now. > Do you have a particular fairground in mind as "the last fairground"? No, I didn't have a particular fairground in mind. I was very fond of fairgrounds, particularly at that period. Lang Jones and I would spend enormous amounts of time and money on the dodgems in fairgrounds all over the south of England. We'd discover where the best dodgems were, which seems to suggest I had rather more leisure then than I've got now. More energy too! I dunno where it went. ************************ jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ED_TIDWELL at DELPHI.COM Sun Nov 12 23:44:12 1995 From: ED_TIDWELL at DELPHI.COM (ED_TIDWELL at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 23:44:12 -0500 Subject: Bloody Drum solos Message-ID: I must admit also, Moby Dick live is truly a masterpiece of drum work. Ed From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Mon Nov 13 20:35:07 1995 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:35:07 -1000 Subject: Calling all Playboys Message-ID: >Someone congratulated Albert on recent mention in Playboy. Anyone know what >he's talking about? >Know you only read it for the articles, anyway... >Thanks. >--DF Someone posted here a while back about a Xavier Hollander article that mentioned sitting on speakers while playing *Dominance & Submission* loudly. Could that be it? Pete. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From cs0jca at ISIS.SUNDERLAND.AC.UK Mon Nov 13 05:29:31 1995 From: cs0jca at ISIS.SUNDERLAND.AC.UK (John.Cartledge) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 10:29:31 GMT Subject: Bob Calvert project Message-ID: Hi all, Yeah, the shop in question was Oldhitz. I say was, because a few months ago it was knocked down in the name of progress in order for Marks & Spencer to expand it's corporate empire over the site (also knocked down one of the best pubs in Newcastle at the same time). Philistines! It was run by a guy called John Hughes. He took a great interest in, and was frirndly with, ICU, Bob Calvert and The Maximum Effect. For a time he would be at every gig videoing and taping the shows. He also bought the rights to the first ICU album (Pass Out) and re-released it on his own Oldhitz label with a load of extra tracks (some featuring Calvert). Also at the time he was putting out newsletters, videos and promoting shows. Unfortunately things ground to a halt round about 1986-7 when ICU had split and the Maximum Effect got nowhere. Shame really. While on the subject of ICU, has anyone got a spare copy of, or knows where to get a copy of ICU's Maximum Effect album. I've been after this for years with little success. Odd copies i've found have been usually unplayable. I will pay a decent price if it's in good nick. Anyway. Hope this is of some use. Later John Cartledge From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Mon Nov 13 05:34:50 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 10:34:50 +0000 Subject: Bob Calvert project In-Reply-To: <10689.9511111102@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Nov 11, 95 11:02:09 am Message-ID: > Oh, OK. I was just about to post that I kinda remember it not being that. I've > been to the shop (indeed a yellow portakabin type thing on a car park at the > back of the Eldon Square shopping centre) whilst at uni. Jason, did you ever > go there ??? OldHits. Yup, I've been there. Even picked up a couple of BOC albums second hand there (FOUO and OYFOOYK spring to mind). It had gone last time I was there (about a month ago). Whey Aye the BOC lads! Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 13 06:54:06 1995 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 11:54:06 GMT Subject: Looking for Hassan 7" and Japan LPs Message-ID: >> While speaking to my friend Mike Coleman tonight, he mentioned that >> he is particularly looking for a few items. He offered to buy or >> make a beaucoup trade for any of the following: >> >> HW Hassan i Sahba 7" (Italian) >> HW Hassan i Sahba 7" (French) > > >so is everyone this side of Alpha Centauri..... Is the Italian version the one which was part of an E.P and booklet set??? I have that one but it's not for sale :-( --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. --------------------------------------------- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 13 07:30:55 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 07:30:55 EST Subject: BBM Message-ID: > Stephen Lindsey writes: > > > starts to sound Floydish in places. I'd stay away from the BBM stuff, > > he's a lot better playing Jazz stylings these days than straight rock. > > Hmmm... I was going to ask if anyone could tell me anything about the > BBM stuff as I saw it in a shop a while ago but passed on it due to > financial considerations. I've always had a big soft spot for Gary > Moore, so when I saw him teamed up with notables such as Ginger Baker > and Jack Bruce, it quite understandably raised an eyebrow. But from > what you say, it's not very good. Anything in particular, or is it > just bland? It's odd that they're playing straight rock, given the > blues kick Moore has been on, and the normal jazz leanings of Bruce... > > Cheers, What've you been smoking, and can you get me some? BBM is a killer record, in fact, it's the Cream reuinion with Gary on Gtr. The only criticism is that is sounds too much like a Cream record. Definitely get a copy and check it out. As for Gary being better on the jazzy stuff, I think you should have added IMHO, 'cause IMHO his rocked out stuff was by far the best, even better than the current blues stuff. Anyway, BBM is definitely worth a listen theo > e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. > > "Jimi... I want to kill you..." > > > --- The Bevis Frond, "Sue Me", _Superseeder_ > From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Nov 13 08:07:16 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 08:07:16 -0500 Subject: BBM In-Reply-To: <3BCF6DE5948@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Nov 13, 95 07:30:55 am Message-ID: Ted O. Jackson writes: > What've you been smoking, and can you get me some? BBM is a killer > record, in fact, it's the Cream reuinion with Gary on Gtr. The only > criticism is that is sounds too much like a Cream record. Definitely > get a copy and check it out. As for Gary being better on the jazzy > stuff, I think you should have added IMHO, 'cause IMHO his rocked out > stuff was by far the best, even better than the current blues stuff. > Anyway, BBM is definitely worth a listen Okay, so now I have one yes and one no vote for this. Anyone care to cast the deciding vote?? I don't remember saying Gary was better on the jazzy stuff, mainly because I don't think I've heard him playing jazz. I agree his rock output really kicks. One of my favourite Moore albums is _Rockin' Every Night: Gary Moore Live in Japan_. (Is this available on CD???) The solo on "Can't Wait Until Tomorrow" is incredible! Smokin' cover of Free's "Wishing Well", too... I like his blues stuff quite a lot, also (but prefer Elmore James' original of "The Sky Is Crying"). Personally, I think Mr. Moore is much underrated. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Gary Moore, "As The Years Go Passing By", _Still Got The Blues_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 13 08:29:58 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 08:29:58 EST Subject: Bloody Drum solos Message-ID: > > > >> I remember a Golden Earring show about 20 years ago in which the > >> drummer finished off an excellent solo with an explosion which > >> propelled him into a perfect > >> somersault over the drums, where he landed on his feet and took a bow for > >> the stunned audience. You sure don't see that sort of thing much > >> anymore. > > > > Ahh, but I saw what was probably one of the last of those. One night when we were touring with GE the drumer went to do his 'over the drumset' bit and his trowsers got caught on the top of > cymbal stand. Instead of landing on his feet he lande > on his head and got a nasty cut on his leg as well, an embarassing climax to his solo. He ran around and finished the rest of the bloody set anyway because he was a real trooper. > >Al > > > > > Throughout all this talk of drum solos, I am surprised I have not seen > anyone mention Jon Bonham, perhaps one of the best rock n' roll drummers > ever. What other drummer could have an entire song written around a solo? > ( Moby Dick ) > Duane > Well, How about Ginger Baker's 'Toad' the song that launched this debate in the first place? ted From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Nov 13 08:46:23 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 08:46:23 -0500 Subject: Calling all Playboys In-Reply-To: <9511130533.AA28159@pigeon.qut.edu.au> from "Peter Sondergeld" at Nov 13, 95 03:35:07 pm Message-ID: > > >Someone congratulated Albert on recent mention in Playboy. Anyone know what > >he's talking about? > >Know you only read it for the articles, anyway... > >Thanks. > >--DF > > Someone posted here a while back about a Xavier Hollander article that > mentioned sitting on speakers while playing *Dominance & Submission* loudly. > Could that be it? > > Pete. > > > ************************** > Peter Sondergeld > p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au > That was in a Penthouse from wayyyy back in the mid-'70's. Can't remember whether or not it was in Forum or the regular issue of Penthouse. Didn't remember whether or not they called the song out by name, or even the LP's title, but the female protagonist of the article sure seemed to be physically attracted to the corner of that speaker! Ahem.... Craig, who dosen't read any skin magazines, but does look at the pictures! (Gotta buck the trend, y'know!) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 13 05:52:15 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 10:52:15 GMT Subject: OFF TOPIC: Spacious Mind hunt In-Reply-To: Jerry Guizar's message of Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:13:23 EST Message-ID: Jerry Guizar writes: > On Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:17:34 -0500 Capt. Cloud wrote: > > > One of the abso-frickin-lootly most mind-blowing releases I've > > heard this year was from Sweden's The Spacious Mind. I have picked > > up "Cosmic Minds at Play" (OUTSTANDING) and "Inorganic Mind > > Solution" (some great parts, not as consistent). > > Where did you pick them up? I've been trying to find some of their music. Can either of the Swedes on this list lay their hands on this stuff? I sense a trade coming on... FoFP From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Mon Nov 13 08:46:38 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:46:38 +0000 Subject: Drum solos In-Reply-To: <9511110209.AA5560@worldcom-45.worldcom.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Nov 1995, Chris Baxley wrote: > I remember a Golden Earring show about 20 years ago In 1985 (ish) they did a we've been together 25 years concert 'Live at the Paradiso' in Amsterdam, the drummer had a suit made out of touch sensitive pads wired up to a drum machine of some sort I guess. He stood on his kit and proceeded to batter himself - the result a totally weird drum solo. Sorry to hear he's popped his clogs (that's what Dutchmen do ya know!) Maxine ObGoldenEarringTrack: The Twilight Zone From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Nov 13 10:09:00 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 10:09:00 -0500 Subject: New releases pending Message-ID: FYI.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To remove yourself from this list, send a message to majordomo at cs.uwp.edu that says: 'unsubscribe new-releases' in the body of the message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really-From: kbibb at arastar.com (Ken Bibb) NEW AND UPCOMING CD RELEASES, WEEKLY LIST: 1995-Nov-13 (Severely trimmed list) 12/01 Stan Ridgway Black Diamond BCR/sum (I _know_ that this is unrelated, but there was someone else on the list that was a Ridgeway/Wall Of Voodoo fan, so I threw this is for his sake. His last release was under the name Drywall; _very_ weird music, at least from Stan!) r 12/05 Simon House Yassassim r 12/05 Simon House Yassassim-Digi So this is why you can't find it in the US, yet. No label info. 02/27 Soundtrack Walker, Texas Ranger SI/tk (Again, not related to the list, but this one is supposed to be by Chris Franke, ex-TD, which I know appeals to a couple of people here on the list. Seeing how this is credited to Sonic Images, Frankes' label, I'm pretty sure that this is his work). -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon Nov 13 10:32:38 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 10:32:38 -0500 Subject: Calling all Playboys Message-ID: > > Someone posted here a while back about a Xavier Hollander article that > > mentioned sitting on speakers while playing *Dominance & Submission* loudly. > > Could that be it? > > > > Pete. > > p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au That's a pretty famous article, at least in BOC fan circles. :-) As I recall it, she had the speakers under the bed, aimed upward. Steve From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Nov 13 10:54:42 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:54:42 +0100 Subject: OFF TOPIC: Spacious Mind hunt Message-ID: >> > One of the abso-frickin-lootly most mind-blowing releases I've >> > heard this year was from Sweden's The Spacious Mind. I have picked >> > up "Cosmic Minds at Play" (OUTSTANDING) and "Inorganic Mind >> > Solution" (some great parts, not as consistent). >> >> Where did you pick them up? I've been trying to find some of their music. > >Can either of the Swedes on this list lay their hands on this stuff? > >I sense a trade coming on... My favorite record store (thanks Rob :o) has one "Spacious Mind" in, it's the _Inorganic Mind Solution_ CD, and it's sold for the fabulous price of SEK 140 - which is about GBP 13.33 I've also got their record label - it's sited in the northen part of the country - if BOC-l are interested, I'll give them a call... >FoFP \\joe From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Mon Nov 13 10:55:42 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:55:42 -0600 Subject: MM and carnivals (was Re: Karn Evil) In-Reply-To: <9511122102.aa23818@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Sun, 12 Nov 1995, J Strobridge wrote: > > > suspect Bradbury is why Moorcock had such a subconscious fascination > > > with fairground stuff - though it may just be another case of parallel > > > evolution in action. > > > > Other than his stuff with the Deep Fix, I'm unaware of MM carvial's > > fascination: care to expand on the comment? Please? :-) > > I just remembered him mentioning this in the question and answer > interview MM gave us a while back. > > I've just checked it up again and (on the understanding, as we originally > requested, that copies are not made and distributed without first asking > our permission) I enclose the relevant extract below. The Questions > are composed by Mike Holmes, the answers are MMs as expressed on a tape > which we subsequently transcribed. [interview snipped] Must be nice to have such a good memory--my copy of the interview is happily saved and I didn't recall it at all ;-) Thanks Jill, Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Nov 13 11:03:15 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 11:03:15 -0500 Subject: Bob Calvert project In-Reply-To: <9511110147.aa12849@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Nov 11, 95 01:47:07 am Message-ID: > > > > I am reminded that there used to be a record shop in Newcastle where the > > > proprietor was a close personal friend of Bob Calvert during the time he > > > > > A little braincell is yelling "Oldhitz!" Does that help? Otherwise, > > > That's it! I'm sure of it. Many thanks 8-)) > > jill > > > > I can sift thru my old posts that I've archived (last count 1500+) > > > > Wow! That could be useful - I keep having to dump my archive as space > runs out 8-( > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- It helps that I am the pseudo sysadm of this here Pyramid, heh-heh! And when we up-grade this beast and it's disk subsystems, I'll have even MORE disk space, bwhah-hah-HAH! Gigs and gigs of lovely disk-drives, all for my tons of e-mails 'n stuff, mine, ALL MINE!!!...uhh, sorry 'bout that, ahem! Seriously, when the time comes and depending on how the powers-that-be want to set this system up for access, I might be able to offer this system as a "data repository" for BOC-L. Does 2.1Gb for starters sound OK? This probably won't take place until next year, so hold yer horses! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Nov 13 13:06:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 10:06:00 PST Subject: Directory - Modified Message-ID: [[ NUBOCHW.DOC : 2865 in NUBOCHW.DOC ]][[ NUBOCHW.ASC : 2866 in NUBOCHW.ASC ]] Attached you will find one MS Word version and one Dos Text version of the BOC/HW directory. A few people have failed to incude their real names. Also misssing our ages and e-mail addresses. Please take a few minutes to go over the directory information and update or correct what you see. Please try to send your responses directly to me as opposed to flodding the list. My address (I think) is abrevard at shl.com. Carl, your e-mail address has already been updated, thanks. The following binary file has been uuencoded to ensure successful transmission. Use UUDECODE to extract. begin 600 NUBOCHW.DOC MT,\1X*&Q&N$`````````````````````.P`#`/[_"0`&```````````````! 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M11'F`.,``<`A\``````````````````````````````````````````````` M`````````````````````````````````````````````````````````0`` M``\``!@!&0&X'@"]^@"^$``&XO]V`L$+817\&%TBX#,``P``!0$8`0`#```% M`A@!``(``!@!(@X`#P`(``$`2P`/```````:``!`\?\"`!H`!DYO > That's a pretty famous article, at least in BOC fan circles. :-) > As I recall it, she had the speakers under the bed, aimed upward. > > Steve Like I always say, the right tool for the right job! theo From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Nov 13 13:37:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 10:37:00 PST Subject: Karn Evil Message-ID: >Ah - such ignorance! It's a wordplay derived from "Carnival". >Listening to it though always makes me think of Ray Bradbury's scary >Carnival stories - particularly the one where the horses on the >merry-go-round go backwards and reverse the passage of Time as well. I >suspect Bradbury is why Moorcock had such a subconscious fascination >with fairground stuff - though it may just be another case of parallel >evolution in action. > >Would this story be " Something Wicked This Way Comes" ? >A very good story indeed. Disney Studios also made a very fine movie of this >book. >Duane Right On Duane, twas a terrific movie, I thought. Haven't seen this one broadcast lately though, not that I watch much TV. AB -- From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Mon Nov 13 11:48:24 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:48:24 +0000 Subject: Bob Calvert project -Reply Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > A little braincell is yelling "Oldhitz!" Does that help? Otherwise, > I can sift thru my old posts that I've archived (last count 1500+) ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk Oldhitz Records, Dept. ICU c/o Overground PO Box 1NW Newcastle NE99 1NW U.K. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< that is definitely th place, i used to cause disappearances to my pocket monet yhere as a wee bairn; however, i hate to be the bearer of bad tidings (well, i love it really 8-> ), but i'm not overly sure that the place still exists: forced out of business by some anti-icu/2nd hand vinyl bildeborg type conspiracy. If you do get a reply from 'em tho' let us know 'cos it'd be good to know what stuff theyr carrying. Good luck as you embark on your quest! ygafw From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Nov 13 14:59:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 11:59:00 PST Subject: BOC Cover Project? Message-ID: >Speaking of that, are we up for a BOC Covers tape(s)? >Chuck Now this seems like a hell of an idea. While I own no BOC cover material and definitley do not possess the necesarry equipment to produce a high quality tape I would be interested in being on the receiving end. Question is can it be done with the same quality being afforded the HW cover tapes? AB From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Nov 13 13:25:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:25:00 EST Subject: BOC Cover Project? Message-ID: >>>>Now this seems like a hell of an idea. (SNIP) Question is can it be done with the same quality being afforded the HW cover tapes? AB<<<< Garbage in, garbage out! (Couldn't resist - only kidding) Rudy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 13 14:12:38 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:12:38 +0000 Subject: HW: HW Merchandise address prob? In-Reply-To: <199511082354.SAA12603@epix.net> from "Jerry Guizar" at Nov 8, 95 07:15:38 pm Message-ID: > > Hey I just got a letter I sent to the HW Merchandising address > >listed (among other places) in _Alien 4_ returned to me with a cryptic > >note from the post office I _think_ indicating that they didn't believe > >in this address ... > > Can you tell me what the note says (or looks like)? If he just recently gave > up his P.O. Box, they should've had him fill out a change of address and > forwarded any 1st and 2nd class mail to his new address for 1 yr. If he let > his P.O. Box rent expire, they should have an address on file (you have to > provide a physical address before being able to rent one), that doesn't mean > he didn't move since renting the box. Around here, they'll usually hang on to > 1st class mail for a few weeks before sending it back - in case the person is > away on vacation or something and forgot about paying. It's pretty cryptic! Under my return address in the upper left hand corner there seems to be the word "TO" with a underline that sweeps up to the right and then down alongside the main address in the center of the envelope. Then the main address as a squiggle drawn through it. And off to the right of the main address, with a circle drawn around it, is "?called for" (where the "?" could represent as many as two letters: "un", "in", "m"? It looks a lot like "\/\/\" except connected and the first and last strokes are longer.). Then underneath that, but still in the circle, there appears to be the letter "A". All this in purple ink. My best guess is that they thought the address was invalid. Either that or Dave Brock didn't like the look of my handwriting (printed block capitals) and crossed it out and sent it back! ;) Cheers, Carl From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Nov 13 14:16:42 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:16:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Motorhead Tribute Message-ID: hi, while checking out Spacious Mind, I found a new released Swedish Motorhead tribute - 16 tracks - with Sator and Nomads among others (Sator is the same band as Sator Codex who did a 'fairly evil' version of "Master of the Universe" - which is to be included in the Cover Project. SEK 140 & p&p, if there's any interest out there... cheers - \\joe From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Nov 13 17:21:51 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:21:51 -0500 Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: > >On Fri, 10 Nov 1995, Chris Baxley wrote: > >> I remember a Golden Earring show about 20 years ago > >In 1985 (ish) they did a we've been together 25 years concert 'Live at the >Paradiso' in Amsterdam, the drummer had a suit made out of touch >sensitive pads wired up to a drum machine of some sort I guess. He stood >on his kit and proceeded to batter himself - the result a totally weird >drum solo. > >Sorry to hear he's popped his clogs (that's what Dutchmen do ya know!) > > >Maxine > > >ObGoldenEarringTrack: The Twilight Zone > > I also say this suit somewhere's around 1985. They were playing in an old movie theatre in Cleveland, Oh. It was a most excellent show I might add. Duane OBQuestion: There is an old song called Suitcase Blues. Does anyone know if it wasTriumph or UFO that did it? ` OBCD: The Song Remains the Same ( had to here Moby Dick ) -- From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Mon Nov 13 17:46:58 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:46:58 -0500 Subject: Bloody Drum solos Message-ID: > >> I remember a Golden Earring show about 20 years ago in which > >> which propelled him into a perfect > >> somersault over the drums, > > I seem to recall hearing that he died a short while back. Damn shame. That does make me sad if true. He really was a pretty good drummer. Sad that he passed away so unnoticed too. I can't even remember his name and I used to know it too. Can somebody check their old GE records? I don't have any and now it's driving me crazy. Al From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Nov 13 18:01:35 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:01:35 -0500 Subject: Bloody Drum solos Message-ID: > >> >> I remember a Golden Earring show about 20 years ago in which >> >> which propelled him into a perfect >> >> somersault over the drums, >> >> I seem to recall hearing that he died a short while back. Damn shame. > >That does make me sad if true. He really was a pretty good drummer. Sad that >he passed away so unnoticed too. I can't even remember his name and I used to >know it too. Can somebody check their old GE records? I don't have any and now >it's driving me crazy. >Al > > Al, The name of the drummer listed on my albums was Ceaser Zuiderwijk. Duane -- From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Mon Nov 13 18:04:59 1995 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:04:59 -0800 Subject: Bloody Drum solos Message-ID: >> >> which propelled him into a perfect >> >> somersault over the drums, >> >> I seem to recall hearing that he died a short while back. Damn shame. > >That does make me sad if true. He really was a pretty good drummer. Sad that >he passed away so unnoticed too. I can't even remember his name and I used to >know it too. I just remember them introducing him as Caesar... Wylie From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Nov 13 18:50:06 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:50:06 -0700 Subject: BOC in Cleveland In-Reply-To: <199511110036.AA13554@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Nov 1995, Duane Hoyt wrote: > Heelo all, > > I was just wonderin' if anyone here was going to the Nov. 18 BOC show at The > Edge in Cleve. I will be there with a couple buddy's from work. I will post > right before the show to let anyone here know how to spot me, as I will > make the same offer to you all that I made for the Nik show. Anyone from > the list that spots me and introduces themselves to me, I will burn one > with them, ( If you are so inclined ). > Duane > > -- > Duane- Well, I'm a long way from CLeveland (New Mexico), but I hope that you will post a review of the show for the rest of us on the list. Also, it seems as though BOC play in your area alot, right? Tangier's in Akron (3/95), the Canton ribs cook off (7/95), and now in Cleveland. Sometimes I wish I lived on the East Coast in order to catch BOC a dozen times a year-and a few Brain Sergeon gigs as well!! Anyways, have a good time. BTW, is the Empire Concert Club still around in Cleveland? Later....Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From jguizar at EPIX.NET Mon Nov 13 19:29:47 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:29:47 EST Subject: OFF TOPIC: Spacious Mind hunt Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:54:42 +0100 joe wrote: >My favorite record store (thanks Rob :o) has one "Spacious Mind" in, it's the >_Inorganic Mind Solution_ CD, and it's sold for the fabulous price of SEK 140 - >which is about GBP 13.33 > >I've also got their record label - it's sited in the northen part of the country - if >BOC-l are interested, I'll give them a call... Definately interested. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM Mon Nov 13 20:16:38 1995 From: stephen at SYSTEM9.UNISYS.COM (Stephen Lindsey) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:16:38 -0500 Subject: BBM Message-ID: > > > starts to sound Floydish in places. I'd stay away from the BBM stuff, > > > he's a lot better playing Jazz stylings these days than straight rock. > > > > Hmmm... I was going to ask if anyone could tell me anything about the > > BBM stuff as I saw it in a shop a while ago but passed on it due to > > financial considerations. I've always had a big soft spot for Gary > > Moore, so when I saw him teamed up with notables such as Ginger Baker > > and Jack Bruce, it quite understandably raised an eyebrow. But from > > what you say, it's not very good. Anything in particular, or is it > > just bland? It's odd that they're playing straight rock, given the > > blues kick Moore has been on, and the normal jazz leanings of Bruce... > > > > Cheers, > > What've you been smoking, and can you get me some? BBM is a killer > record, in fact, it's the Cream reuinion with Gary on Gtr. The only > criticism is that is sounds too much like a Cream record. Definitely > get a copy and check it out. As for Gary being better on the jazzy > stuff, I think you should have added IMHO, 'cause IMHO his rocked out > stuff was by far the best, even better than the current blues stuff. > Anyway, BBM is definitely worth a listen > theo Well I started this so I'd better give at least a clearer explanation of why I didn't like the BBM album. Well 1) I'm a Ginger Baker fan (hands up anybody who hadn't figured that out :-> ) and he plays as though he'd rather be somewhere else on this, I'd say that he'd completely lost it, gone over the hill except for the fact that his recent solo albums have shown *tremendous* drumming. Difference ? they are more "jazz" oriented (one jazz rock one more or less straight jazz - disclaimer: I normally don't listen to *any* jazz) and allow him a lot of space to play against himself, against the other musicians, and generally be heard. The BBM performance seems to be more "Well this is the only way I'll actually make any *money* making a record these days, but in case I lose my street cred, I'm in and out of here as quickly as possible, and besides I'm -really- bored". Sad but true. Well thats one B, whatabout the other one (Bruce) and good old Moore, well I would guess that Gary moore fans might actually like this the most, his playing is fine, Jack Bruce's bass playing doesn't even start to approach the old days, which leaves Gary wailing away with two old guys plodding along in the background. The record also suffers from an overload of Jack Bruces slower ballad type numbers. (If you're familiar with more recent Jack Bruce you know what I mean here). As someone said it sounds like Cream in places, why because they baltantly rip off a coupleof their old intros which would be fine, except that they seem to lose the pace partway through and so come off as a poor copy. For all that its not a complete loser, theres some OK rockers, but given what it could have been, ...... By contrast I have a recent Jack Bruce 50th birthday double CD set (cant remember the name now - Cities of Gold maybe). This has a number of guest artists playing live with Bruce, but the finale has what became BBM as the line up, here they play I think 4 or 5 Cream songs and to much better effect, although still the originals are probably superior. (And again let Bruce and Baker loose on a jazzy improvised piece - 'Statues' on the first disc and they leave you with your mouth hitting the floor). Right well hoped that helped, guess I have to give back something for all that flaming I was enjoying so much. Still thinking about that Ginger Baker discography for the archives. Cheers, Steve L. From travsboc at CRL.COM Mon Nov 13 23:31:53 1995 From: travsboc at CRL.COM (S. F. Yee) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:31:53 -0800 Subject: BOC - Alice In Chains connection? Message-ID: A few club tours ago (circa 1991), Eric Bloom wore an Alice In Chains t-shirt while performing here at Slim's (SF). This I thought was somewhat curious & decided to check out AIC'S "Dirt" & later their "Jar of Flies." Am the only one here who hears certain similarities between these 2 bands besides Eyes? Lots of minor chords, air of deep dark depression, moody, brooding & dangerous...listen to the latter's "Would?" or "Rooster." AIC are not BOC but there is a definite stylistic influence that I think Eric picked up on. Comments? S.F. graphic artist melne tells me she had to actually purchase her own copy of "cult classic," which she did the cover art for From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Nov 14 00:10:45 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 00:10:45 -0500 Subject: BS are in Playboy Message-ID: Has anybody seen it? Think it's the one that's now in the uh, hands of subscribers, not on the stands... --DF From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Tue Nov 14 00:34:01 1995 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 21:34:01 -0800 Subject: BS are in Playboy In-Reply-To: <951114001044_21760858@mail06.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Nov 14, 95 00:10:45 am Message-ID: > > Has anybody seen it? Think it's the one that's now in the uh, hands of > subscribers, not on the stands... I've been way behind in my magazine reading lately, only keeping up with Dr. Dobbs, Byte and Reptiles. But, I skipped ahead, here it is: "Pounding riffs, delicate acoustic interludes and a bent satiric approach in the lyrics make _Trepanation_ (Cellsum) by the Brain Surgeons a great listen. Rock critic Deborah Frost is convincing as a metallic diva. Coll covers (_Ramblin' Rose_) and a cool co-writer (Richard Meltzer) add up to a cool album." -Charles M. Young (any typos are mine because it's past my bedtime) -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome "There is an old proverb that says whatever you want it to say" - whoever... From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Nov 14 03:06:20 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 03:06:20 -0500 Subject: Karn Evil Message-ID: Bradbury also did the carnival thing in the short story "The Dwarf"...and I think he used the theme in others, too, though not sure. One thing's for sure, HW did a song based on "Farenheight 451", so I'm not really off-topic... :) On a sort of similar note, I got some BOC articles today and Bloom reveals in one of them that "Feel The Thunder" was originally entitled "Sleep Of A Thousand Tears" and was penned by Moorcock, but the other band-members didn't like the storyline, so Eric changed it. I guess Moorcock had better luck with the song w/HW. Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Nov 14 03:12:29 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 03:12:29 -0500 Subject: BOC Cover Project? Message-ID: AB, I dunno. As I said, there are a number of covers out there, as some people on this lost have pointed out, but as to how many are actually owned by people on the list, ya got me. I don't own any either. There is, of course, Watt's songs, one of which does feature the Bouchard bros, perhaps not making it a full-fledged cover...but we're desperate here, right?? :) Also, a lot of the covers would be DFtR, so we'd have to endure that just as the Hawkers must endure the zillions of "Silver Machine" takes... Chuck From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue Nov 14 03:19:09 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (R.Stuckey) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 08:19:09 GMT Subject: OFF TOPIC: Spacious Mind hunt Message-ID: > > > >Can either of the Swedes on this list lay their hands on this stuff? > > > >I sense a trade coming on... > > My favorite record store (thanks Rob :o) has one "Spacious Mind" in, it's the _Inorganic Mind Solution_ CD, and it's sold for the fabulous price of SEK 140 - which is about GBP 13.33 > I presume that's Mellotronen near Gamla Stan station? Yep, definately a cool shop and well recommended to anyone visiting Stockholm. > > \\joe > bye - Rob ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rob Stuckey | And then you know, Burgess Hill | the youth must needs go dance, England | | Nicholas Breton - etlrbsy at etlxd20.ericsson.se | "Works of a Young Wit", (1577) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Nov 14 03:22:51 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 03:22:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Motorhead Tribute Message-ID: Joe, Did you pick up the CD? If so, I'd be interested to know the other tracks and artists on there, if you don't mind... Chuck From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Nov 14 07:13:28 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:13:28 +0100 Subject: HW: Motorhead Tribute Message-ID: >Joe, > > Did you pick up the CD? If so, I'd be interested to know >the other tracks and artists on there, if you don't mind... Nope, I didn't. I saw it in a mail order catalogue. I can check with them tomorrow, as I don't have their telephone number at work. I'll guess I'll too expensive to get it this way, as this mail order store takes the equivalent of USD12.10 as minimum p&p fee. This is Sweden, Do Not Panic >Chuck \\joe From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Nov 14 07:28:51 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:28:51 +0100 Subject: Spacious Mind Hunt Message-ID: >> > >> >Can either of the Swedes on this list lay their hands on this stuff? >> > >> >I sense a trade coming on... >> >> My favorite record store (thanks Rob :o) has one "Spacious Mind" in, it's the _Inorganic Mind Solution_ CD, and it's sold for the fabulous price of SEK 140 - which is about GBP 13.33 >> > > I presume that's Mellotronen near Gamla Stan station? Yep, > definately a cool shop and well recommended to anyone visiting > Stockholm. > > bye - Rob Yup, that was Mellotronen :o) Just called GARAGELAND records - Spacious Mind's label, and this is what's in: (currency = SEK - *** - GBP 1 = SEK 10.50 - *** - USD 1 = SEK 6.60) Cosmic Mind at Play - CD - 129 Organic Mind Solution - CD - 129 Sleepy Eyes and Butterflies - 2LP - 190 Sailing the Seagoat - CD - 129 - (forthcoming album, released in 2 weeks) (+ p&p, of course) I believe this is their full back catalouge. If there is a few who wants to order, I think we can press the price a bit. The fact that a small independent label always will out on the world market will also help the price a bit (I'll guess). E-mail me direct, if you want to join me in the Spacious Mind Hunt... hawkjoe at eka.ericsson.se cheers - \\joe From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Tue Nov 14 07:53:18 1995 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:53:18 +0000 Subject: Kerrang! Message-ID: I was looking through the Kerrang Direktory (sic) of Heavy Metal the other day & I thought that the BOC entry might interest a few of you. BOC got a longer listing than most bands as they are (quite rightly, IMHO) one of the big K's all time top 50 bands. Anyway, heres the entry: Blue Oyster Cult:USA, five-piece (1969 - present) Legend has it that Eric Bloom formed BOC to exact his revenge on the 60's! Bloom was small, but no hippy. The classic line-up was, in fact, an extra-terrestrial strike force, a stun guitar showdown and heavier than the whole planet. The liberal gurus on the West Coast worried about the New Yorkers symbolism and humourously-intended menice on such early albums as 'ST' & 'T&M'. Undeterred, BOC revelled in their image as the Grateful Dead's worst nightmare. Throughout the 70's the band came to glorify the power, volume and wit of music that would eventually become known universally as Heavy Metal... (There is then an extensive band history which I'm sure most of the list knows already, so I won't write it out, but if anybody wants it, I'm prepared to at a later date - if I'm asked nicely). ...After writing 90% of the material on 1992's soundtrack album for the 'Bad Channels' movie, the 90's have witnessed one of the worlds greatest & strangest Heavy Metal bands of all time return to the live arena with a vengeance. Still armed, still dangerous & still refusing to grow old peacefully! Albums: (K=crap, KK=average, KKK=good, KKKK=great, KKKKK=essential) Blue Oyster Cult (Columbia, 1971 - KKK) Energetic if slightly muddled debut that nonetheless was a strong indicator of the mayhem to follow... Tyranny & Mutation (Columbia, 1973 - KKK) Consistent with their debut's blueprint but yet to deliver any knockout punch. Secret Treaties (Columbia, 1974 - KKKKK) A veritable classic & one that finally encompassed the band's power & menace. Also notable for the lyrical involvement of Patti Smith. OYFOOYK (Columbia, 1975 - KKKK) Shakily produced but still a suitably sinister live experience. AOF (Columbia, 1976 - KKKKK) Compulsory listening for any aspiring rock star & not just for the biggie (DFtR) Spectres (Columbia, 1977 - KKK) Safe but reliable follow up. SEE (Columbia, 1978 - KKKKK) Classic live album featuring the strongest material on offer at the time. Mirrors (Columbia, 1978 - KKK) Slicker than expected but worth hearing for 'The Vigil' & 'I Am The Storm' alone. CE (Columbia, 1980 - KK) Weak, but succesful selling set of dodgy Sci-fi, aided by novelist Michael Moorcock. FOUO (Columbia, 1981 - KKKK) Most notable for the unexpected hit in the shape of the bizarrely-titled 'Joan Crawford Has Risen From The Grave'! (sic) ETL (Columbia, 1982 - K) "Do we really need ANOTHER live recording?" - Kerrang! 17, June 3-16, 1982 TRBN (Columbia, 1983 - KKK) "Sure, most of the songs are good but there is little 'Cult cohesion." - Kerrang! 55, November 17-30, 1983 CN (Columbia, 1985 - KK) "Why, you can even rebel in your own living room by chanting 'Rock Not War'!" - Kerrang! 110 December 26-Jan 8, 1985 Imaginos (Columbia, 1988 - KKKK) "What the bloody hell is it?" - Kerrang! 200, August 13, 1988 Bad Channels (Moonstone, 1992 - KKK) Movie soundtrack, two new 'Cult songs. Theres also some quotes from EB & BD which I'll stick on a separate posting. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 14 08:03:40 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 08:03:40 EST Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: > OBQuestion: There is an old song called Suitcase Blues. Does anyone know > if it wasTriumph or UFO that did it? > ` > OBCD: The Song Remains the Same ( had to here Moby Dick ) > > -- 'Suitcase Blues' is by Triumph, I believe the 'Just a Game,' or 'Game of Kings' album. Whatever the title, it's their second album. ted From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 14 08:09:58 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 08:09:58 EST Subject: BOC - Alice In Chains connection? Message-ID: > of Flies." Am the only one here who hears certain similarities > between these 2 bands besides Eyes? > > Lots of minor chords, air of deep dark depression, moody, brooding & > dangerous...listen to the latter's "Would?" or "Rooster." AIC are not > BOC but there is a definite stylistic influence that I think Eric picked > up on. Comments? > > S.F. > graphic artist melne tells me she had to actually purchase her own copy > of "cult classic," which she did the cover art for S.F., Interesting parallels, but I don't see AIC as having even a shred of the BOC humor. BOC has it's collective tongue firmly in cheek, and I don't get any hint of humor from AIC, though I haven't heard the new album yet. Also, I get a very heavy drug, almost smacked-out feeling from AIC, wheras the Oysters seem to have their feet at least partially on the ground. theo From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Tue Nov 14 08:10:15 1995 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:10:15 +0000 Subject: In Their Own Words Message-ID: Some Quotes from Kerrang! listed in their Direktory. "Every record we do we think, 'Right, this is gonna be it'! So far that hasn't quite happened!" - Eric Bloom, Kerrang! 56, Dec 1-14, 1983 "I guess if rock'n'roll can be construed as a pie, then BOC has got a small portion - but a tasty one!" - Eric Bloom, K! 56, Dec 1-14, 1983 "Are you familiar with the album Spinal Tap? It's a bit like that. In fact we're practically living Spinal Tap!" - Eric Bloom, K! 112, Jan 23-Feb 5, 1986 "The thing is people seem to LIKE live albums from BOC!" - Buck Dharma, K! 19, July 1-15, 1982 "That's fine with me, as long as they buy 'em first. Our back catalogue could do with a boost!" Eric Bloom on hearing the news that US evangelical groups plan to start burning BOC records, K! 3, Sept 1981 "(Al Bouchard) should wake up & smell the coffin! Hell, I'd like to puff a little on his pipe - the guy's obviously getting real high these days!" - EB, K! 56, Dec 1-14 1983 "I met Gene Simmons not so long ago & he said to me, 'The kids don't wanna hear fucking poetry. They wanna rock'n'roll!" EB, K! 56 Dec 1-14, 1983 From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Nov 14 11:32:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 08:32:00 PST Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: >Duane >OBQuestion: There is an old song called Suitcase Blues. Does anyone know >if it wasTriumph or UFO that did it? Triumph does a Suitcase Blues. Fabulous song too. ` >OBCD: The Song Remains the Same ( had to here Moby Dick ) Good taste exhibited by Duane. OBCD - Great White - Great White Picked this one up real cheap. Songs were bands original record contract demo. Boy they sure don't sound like that anymore. AB -- From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Nov 14 11:40:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 08:40:00 PST Subject: Kerrang! Post it Bud Message-ID: [All the great stuff snipped] >Theres also some quotes from EB & BD which I'll stick on a separate posting. Some real interesting observations. Couple of points, I have seen a history of rock book in my local library and I too was amazed that BOC had more space devoted to its history than a lot of the more popular groups like Aerosmith and Kiss. In fact their bio was as long or longer than Led Zepplin's. The other thing is K rated ST higher than both T&M and BOC, this is the first that I have seen this, not that I disagree with K. Final observation is that I recall the band bio as being highly innaccurate when compared to the FAQ and things I have seen on this line. For example they had the wrong timeframe for Al and Joe's departure from the band, had nothing on Les as the original lead singer even though they devoted time to the origin of SWU and the SFG. Can you post the history of the band to private e-mail please, would love to see the K version. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Nov 14 11:50:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 08:50:00 PST Subject: BOC Cover Project? Message-ID: >AB, > I dunno. As I said, there are a number of covers out >there, as some people on this lost have pointed out, but as to >how many are actually owned by people on the list, ya got me. I >don't own any either. There is, of course, Watt's songs, one of >which does feature the Bouchard bros, perhaps not making it a >full-fledged cover...but we're desperate here, right?? :) Also, >a lot of the covers would be DFtR, so we'd have to endure that >just as the Hawkers must endure the zillions of "Silver >Machine" takes... >Chuck Your probably right there Chuck as I was attempting to find the post with the complete list of covers, it dawned on me that most were the same songs D&S and Hot Rails to Hell. Would probably make for a boring tape. Now a light just turned on (oooh the coffee is good this morning) when I saw the AIC post. What if we compiled a tape of groups that appear to have some type of BOC influence in their music. Twould be subjective of course but if people were to nominate a song or two that they feel encompassed some aspect of BOC we could compile it and let the list vote. I have a few songs that I feel fit in this category, some Saigon Kick and (are you ready for this) Stone Temple Pilots come to mind. Anybody else interested in giving this a try? AB From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 14 10:25:11 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:25:11 EST Subject: BOC Cover Project? Message-ID: > Your probably right there Chuck as I was attempting to find the post with > the complete list of covers, it dawned on me that most were the same songs > D&S and Hot Rails to Hell. Would probably make for a boring tape. Now a > light just turned on (oooh the coffee is good this morning) when I saw the > AIC post. What if we compiled a tape of groups that appear to have some > type of BOC influence in their music. Twould be subjective of course but if > people were to nominate a song or two that they feel encompassed some aspect > of BOC we could compile it and let the list vote. I have a few songs that I > feel fit in this category, some Saigon Kick and (are you ready for this) > Stone Temple Pilots come to mind. Anybody else interested in giving this a > try? > > AB AB, Interesting concept, though I doubt it would be easy to cite bands that can really capture the BOC combination of musicainship, lyrical creativity and most important--humor (I know, a re-hash of my AIC diatribe). All these damned bands are so serious! Guys, lighten up, it's only rock 'n' roll, not (ouch) Brain Surgery! theo ps AB, which Saigon Kick tunes were you thinking of? From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 14 10:27:16 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:27:16 EST Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: > OBCD - Great White - Great White Picked this one up real cheap. Songs were > bands original record contract demo. Boy they sure don't sound like that > anymore. > > AB > Too bad GW sounds like anything. That sort of 80s hair farmer drivel is best left to die on the vine!> - - > From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 14 10:30:59 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:30:59 EST Subject: Kerrang! Post it Bud Message-ID: > [All the great stuff snipped] > >Theres also some quotes from EB & BD which I'll stick on a separate > posting. > > Some real interesting observations. Couple of points, I have seen a history > of rock book in my local library and I too was amazed that BOC had more > space devoted to its history than a lot of the more popular groups like > Aerosmith and Kiss. In fact their bio was as long or longer than Led > Zepplin's. The other thing is K rated ST higher than both T&M and BOC, this > is the first that I have seen this, not that I disagree with K. Final > observation is that I recall the band bio as being highly innaccurate when > compared to the FAQ and things I have seen on this line. For example they > had the wrong timeframe for Al and Joe's departure from the band, had > nothing on Les as the original lead singer even though they devoted time to > the origin of SWU and the SFG. Can you post the history of the band to > private e-mail please, would love to see the K version. > > AB AGree with AB. Most critics praised BOC and T/M to the skies, likely 'cause they were/are such a breath of fresh air. I'd also like a post of the history, if you please. theo From etljegl at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue Nov 14 11:23:10 1995 From: etljegl at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Jason Gool) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:23:10 GMT Subject: In Their Own Words Message-ID: > > "I met Gene Simmons not so long ago & he said to me, 'The kids don't wanna > hear fucking poetry. They wanna rock'n'roll!" EB, K! 56 Dec 1-14, 1983 > > > "I guess if rock'n'roll can be construed as a pie, then BOC has got a small > portion - but a tasty one!" - Eric Bloom, K! 56, Dec 1-14, 1983 > I remember reading this interview and I think its probably a good idea that they missed out the bit that came inbetween :) Jas. From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Tue Nov 14 12:23:19 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:23:19 -0500 Subject: Directory - Modified Message-ID: AB - Great work on the directory so far. It seems that quite a few people have not sent information for the directory. Perhaps they don't want to or just haven't. After all there's no pressure, but there are definitely more than the 89 people AB has so far who are subscribed (well there's no entry for Steve Swann so is it his fault? also Deb). .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Nov 14 15:47:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 12:47:00 PST Subject: Directory - Modified Message-ID: >AB - Great work on the directory so far. >It seems that quite a few people have not sent >information for the directory. Perhaps they don't >want to or just haven't. After all there's no pressure, >but there are definitely more than the 89 people AB has >so far who are subscribed (well there's no entry for Steve >Swann so is it his fault? also Deb). >.......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com I take it by their continued silence the lurkers would rather remain lurkers. A few people who responded when this first started identified themselves as lurkers. Perhaps someday someone can explain to me the advantages of lurking on a list like this, I just don't get it. Do they read and formulate opinions and hold conversations with themselves? Are they just looking for some quick entertainment or tid bots of useful data? What is it with lurkers? Why does it happen? Someone with some brains stop me from ranting by providing a reasonable, plausible, rational, logical explanation of the existence of lurkers ARRRG! Whewww, coffee sure is strong today. On to real business. I can understand a few not wanting their ages to be known, but can we at least get peoples real names and e-mail addresses? Would like to get ages also as we can run some numbers, high, low average age of BOC and HW folks. Also note it was explained a few times but the Primary band field should represent HW or BOC. Neither has to be your favorite band just want to know which side of the directory drew you to the list. Still converting this thing to a database so sorts can be done. Some people answered both or none at all thus I took the liberty of placing people in one category or the other, the only exception being Al (unless you do have a preference big guy, don't want to assume). Feel free to correct the entry if I'm mistaken. C'mon folks don't be shy, I promise you won't get any junk mail from me. BTW where is Tox lately? And who the hell is Steve Swann (just kidding). AB The condensed format if any of the night creatures would now like to be counted. Name: (Real one please) Handle: (Not a real requirement, but if you prefer to sign posts under an alias) Age: (Don't be shy, we range from 16 to forty something around here.) E-Mail address - (This information can be very useful to us all) Primary Band - (HW/BOC your are not held accountable for your choice, just trying to maintain some data on the relative size of both groups. Please no more Zepplins, Sabbaths or Menudo's.) One last thing can someone tell me what my e-mail address is I don't have the technical abilities to make my system do it and I thinks it has changed again. Thanks. From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Nov 14 14:24:25 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 20:24:25 +0100 Subject: OFF TOPIC: Spacious Mind hunt Message-ID: > I see in Goldmine somebody listing another release called "Sleepy > Eyes and Butterflies" (2LP). Has anybody seen/heard this? Is it > available on CD?! I assume this (like the other two) is also a > Sweden-only import. That's 2LP only. I'll guess the prices I gave you earlier (CD = USD 19.50 - 2LP = USD 28.80 - excl p&p, and direct from record company) made some potential buyers/traders freeze to ice. If it should be any idea for me to dig this music out, from a Record Company 500 US miles away - the price you pay should be equal - or less than buying from your normal import sources. So: What is the common price you pay for imports in the States and the UK? If I do some lobbying, this small independent Record Company must've some promotional ways to cut the price down to more acceptable (or international) sizes - what price do they take when exporting their music? Tell me what you wanna pay for Spacious Mind, and I call the Company :o) Either they want to export their music - and that's good for us all, or they just wanna earn money and do profit :^( and if it is so, you've already got your normal import sources. > Captain Cloud > cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com \\joe From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Nov 14 14:24:23 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 20:24:23 +0100 Subject: Kerrang! Message-ID: > I was looking through the Kerrang Direktory (sic) of Heavy Metal the >other day & I thought that the BOC entry might interest a few of you. > BOC got a longer listing than most bands as they are (quite rightly, >IMHO) one of the big K's all time top 50 bands. Hey Imaginos, Can you list all top 50? >ETL (Columbia, 1982 - K) >"Do we really need ANOTHER live recording?" - Kerrang! 17, June 3-16, 1982 Just one K - the worst BOC ever? I believe old Kerrang! had an unexpected error 53 this very June 3-16, 1982 \\joe From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Tue Nov 14 14:35:49 1995 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:35:49 -0500 Subject: Tull NYC Message-ID: Tull- Beacon- NYC- 11/14, 11/15 Monster Magnet- Roseland- NYC- 11/16 get there early they are the opening act Next Week King Crimson Longacre Theatre NYC 11/20 thru 11/25 Wear your IDENTIFIER regards, Bill Stewart From ccrowley at MHC.MTHOLYOKE.EDU Tue Nov 14 14:42:20 1995 From: ccrowley at MHC.MTHOLYOKE.EDU (Carolyn Crowley) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 14:42:20 -0500 Subject: Directory - Modified In-Reply-To: <30A90204@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, BREVARD Adrian R. wrote: > I take it by their continued silence the lurkers would rather remain > lurkers. A few people who responded when this first started identified > themselves as lurkers. Perhaps someday someone can explain to me the > advantages of lurking on a list like this, I just don't get it. Do they > read and formulate opinions and hold conversations with themselves? Are > they just looking for some quick entertainment or tid bots of useful data? > What is it with lurkers? Why does it happen? Someone with some brains stop > me from ranting by providing a reasonable, plausible, rational, logical > explanation of the existence of lurkers ARRRG! Ok, brief explaination of why I lurk. There is so much mail here, and most often, I don't read it all until days (weeks sometimes) later. By then most of what I would have wanted to say has already been said. Other then that, I tend to scan for information...and delete a lot of the stuff that I would rather not read. (I am on several mailing lists) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 14 15:02:11 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 15:02:11 -0500 Subject: Directory - Modified Message-ID: Just a comment on those not posting info for the directory, or those who identify themselves as "lurkers". Those who chose not to divulge information for the directory, or those who chose to read BOC-L posts while posting none of their own do so of their own free will, and their reasons are no-one's business but their own. I think everyone has been given the opportunity to either post to BOC-L or to send out their directory information. I would suggest that this thread needs to go no further than that. On the other hand, those who wish their directory info be part of the directory should be sure to get it into Adrian so that it will be included. John From zsoldos at OGYALLA.KONKOLY.HU Tue Nov 14 15:12:35 1995 From: zsoldos at OGYALLA.KONKOLY.HU (Endre Zsoldos) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:12:35 +0100 Subject: Directory - Modified Message-ID: Hi, BREVARD Adrian R." wrote: >I take it by their continued silence the lurkers would rather remain >lurkers. A few people who responded when this first started identified >themselves as lurkers. Perhaps someday someone can explain to me the >advantages of lurking on a list like this, I just don't get it. Do they >read and formulate opinions and hold conversations with themselves? Are >they just looking for some quick entertainment or tid bots of useful data? > What is it with lurkers? Why does it happen? Someone with some brains stop >me from ranting by providing a reasonable, plausible, rational, logical >explanation of the existence of lurkers ARRRG! I can tell you my case (though now I loose my position as a lurker!). I live in Hungary where Hawkwind and BOC are largely unheard of. And, unfortunately, it seems that they will be so in the near future. So when you are discussing new releases all I can do is to be envious :-) Cheers, Endre From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 14 15:15:44 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 15:15:44 -0500 Subject: Kerrang! Message-ID: >ETL (Columbia, 1982 - K) >"Do we really need ANOTHER live recording?" - Kerrang! 17, June 3-16, 1982 Well, depends. For the BOC fan who has all their studio stuff, one might argue that this is superfluous (can someone say "Career of Evil: The Metal Years"?). But, ETL is certainly not a bad album. The sound quality is great, the song selection is decent, it of course has all of "The big 3", and also a great rendition of "Roadhouse Blues" with Robbie Krieger of the Doors. Sure, it may break no new artistic ground, but that doesn't make it a "bad" album. But, as always, album reviews are subjective, and quite often 2 people will give completely different reviews. Not to mention, I do believe that different albums serve different functions, and a comment like "Do we really need ANOTHER live recording" does not address all functions of ETL - because my answer, looking at it from a perspective of wanting to hear a BOC concert near the band's peak commercial popularity, is a definitive YES. (but hell, I've got over 20 different BOC concerts on tape or CD, so I'd even take ANOTHER live album - hey, maybe that's how we finally get "See You in Black" released . . . :-) ). John From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Nov 14 16:13:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:13:00 GMT Subject: Kerrang! Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9511141924.AB16555 at sonor> > > I was looking through the Kerrang Direktory (sic) of Heavy > > Metal the > >other day & I thought that the BOC entry might interest a few of you. > > BOC got a longer listing than most bands as they are (quite > > rightly, > >IMHO) one of the big K's all time top 50 bands. > > Hey Imaginos, > Can you list all top 50? I've had this very useful, (in general) very sound, and very funny book for some time. I'd totally recommend it to anyone on boc-l. The top 50 list is pretty much as you'd expect, given the date (1993), which means there's perhaps more prominence given to the Seattle bands than we'd now expect. I've no intention of listing them all, except it runs from AC/DC to ZZ Top... get your own copy! :) Hawkwind get a sizeable entry, but no K!, which I take to mean that they recognise their importance but don't really consider them metal. They give similar sized entries (with no K!) to Neil Young and Jimi Hendrix, and again I take the reasoning to be similar. Bands which I might have expected to have been given a K! and haven't, include Budgie, and, erm, well... in other words, it's a solid list, comprised of all the people you'd expect. (Plus, when someone mentions some terminally unhip big-hair band from the '80s, you can usually find out all about them. :) - Andy From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Nov 14 17:50:37 1995 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 22:50:37 GMT Subject: HW: Aliieen in charts In-Reply-To: <9511101047.AA04829@etlxd20c> (from Rob S ) (at Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:47:48 GMT) Message-ID: > > > > > According to this week's Melody Maker Hawkwind went straight > > > in to the independant charts at number 5, with the Ozrics > > > close behind at number 7. I expect a lot of people bought > > > the Ozrics one at the same time as the Hawkwind one > > > (well, I did anyway!!!). > > > bye - Rob According to the top 150 posted to uk.music.misc every week Hawkwind "went straight in" at no 119, Ozrics at no 80. To put this in perspective Dark Side of The Moon is still in there at 146 ! Cheers David From weberr at POBOX.TCS-INC.COM Tue Nov 14 17:00:47 1995 From: weberr at POBOX.TCS-INC.COM (Robert Weber) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 17:00:47 -0500 Subject: BOC: WORKSHOP OF THE TELESCOPES Message-ID: I just saw "Workshop of the Telescopes" at Tower Records........is this yet another "greatest hits" collection or is there something special about it (such as live recordings)?..............bob weberr at pobox-tcs-inc.com From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Nov 14 19:32:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:32:00 PST Subject: Kerrang! Message-ID: > I was looking through the Kerrang Direktory (sic) of Heavy Metal the >other day & I thought that the BOC entry might interest a few of you. > BOC got a longer listing than most bands as they are (quite rightly, >IMHO) one of the big K's all time top 50 bands. >Hey Imaginos, >Can you list all top 50? Exactly where was BOC placed in this top 50? Anybody shocking in front of or behind them? Inquiring minds want to know. >ETL (Columbia, 1982 - K) >"Do we really need ANOTHER live recording?" - Kerrang! 17, June 3-16, 1982 >Just one K - the worst BOC ever? >I believe old Kerrang! had an unexpected error 53 this very June 3-16, 1982 You think K is strange see how AMG has rated some BOC music in CDNow. >\\joe Yeah remarkable that they rated it lower than CN. ETL is second after OYFOOYK and just slightly ahead of SEE. ETL is good becuase of Joan Crawford, Veterans, and Roadhouse Blues its bad becuase D&S just ain't the same without a Bouchard touch same with COF. SEE is acceptable but only because of Astronomy and ETI, Kick out the Jams is acceptable but I don't think it really fits BOC the way some others do. If they can play that song then surely they could play some other rocking covers even if they considered them mindless. Got some more coffee in me but I won't start another Covers BOC should do thread. Long live the King, OYFOOYK, the best live album ever made bar none. Raw, energetic, gutsy and the best damn version of Subhuman you will ever hear. A(strong with OYFOOYK)B From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Nov 14 19:32:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:32:00 PST Subject: Directory - Modified is Voluntary! Message-ID: Gee guys it was coffee ramblings on the lurker thing, don't take it seriously.. But yes lets set the record straight, any information submitted for the BOC-L directory is strictly voluntary. If you choose not to submit your real name age or e-mail address thats fine. Choosing not to submit any or all information will not invalidate or harm the directory in anyway. As the directory is being posted to BOC-L it is available to all subscribers who can download attachments, lurkers and respondents alike. It goes without saying that anyone who has a copy of the directory should use its contents in a responsible manner. With that thought in mind please let me know if you have any trouble accessing or receiving the attachments or are otherwise limited to the types or formats of the attachments. Not technically well versed but if it can be accomplished in the Microsoft world I can call on some additional resources that may be able to help. Thanks BTW a couple of lurkers have provided information for the directory. Alas SS was not one of them. . AB >Those who chose not to divulge information for the directory, or those >who chose to read BOC-L posts while posting none of their own do so of >their own free will, and their reasons are no-one's business but their >own. I think everyone has been given the opportunity to either post >to BOC-L or to send out their directory information. I would suggest >that this thread needs to go no further than that. >On the other hand, those who wish their directory info be part of the >directory should be sure to get it into Adrian so that it will be included. >John From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Nov 14 19:33:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 16:33:00 PST Subject: Lurking Message-ID: >I can tell you my case (though now I loose my position as a lurker!). >I live in Hungary where Hawkwind and BOC are largely unheard of. And, >unfortunately, it seems that they will be so in the near future. So when >you are discussing new releases all I can do is to be envious :-) >Cheers, > Endre Well Endre if you are having trouble getting you hands on HW and BOC music there are people on the list who would be glad to help. I'm sure things can be worked out to help you catch up on some of the releases, be it tapes or mailing cd's. Send me a private e-mail and let me know some more details. AB From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 14 18:04:39 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:04:39 EST Subject: Kerrang! Message-ID: > another Covers BOC should do thread. Long live the King, OYFOOYK, the best > live album ever made bar none. Raw, energetic, gutsy and the best damn > version of Subhuman you will ever hear. > > A(strong with OYFOOYK)B AB, It's a great album, sure, but how could BOC have left off 'Stairway,' which was their opener for their first 5 years or so? It's deletion bummed me out som that I always gave the record the cold shoulder until recently. After rediscovery, I find it is a great album. I never could understand why they've never had an official release of a live 'Stairway.' Also, BTW, I would've like D&S on OYFOOYK, as they were certainly doing that tune big time within the time frame, and I've heard them play it at least ten times that sounded better than the ETL version theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 14 18:06:40 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:06:40 EST Subject: Directory - Modified is Voluntary! Message-ID: > > BTW a couple of lurkers have provided information for the directory. Alas > SS was not one of them. . > > AB AB, Have you noticed a few new names today since your little needle? theo From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Nov 14 18:39:57 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:39:57 EST Subject: OFF TOPIC: Spacious Mind prices (and where) Message-ID: I have hunted for Spacious Mind releases in the US before, and here are the companys I have found that carry/have carried them: - Ken Golden at Laser's Edge was listing "Organic Mind Solution" in his catalog last Winter, for $17. I have not dealt with Ken _recently_, so I cannot vouch as to whether he still carries it. Anybody got the latest Laser's Edge catalog? - RPM Records in Texas (rpmrecords.metronet.com) has also carried both OMS and "Cosmic Minds at Play" before -- this is where I finally ordered my copies from. Both are *currently* listed as available, right now, for $21 each. - A company in Goldmine called Sonic Confusion (sonicnfusn at aol.com) has regularly listed Spacious Mind releases in their ads. Their most recent ad (August) listed the new 2LP for $30. I have called and chatted with the psych guy at this place, and he is definitely into Sp.Mind personally. Warning tho: I have also called for information before and been told that both guys running the place were out of the country for a MONTH, and all placed orders were awaiting their return (!). Caveat Emptor (for now). - I have heard of friends finding OMS at other places around the country, typically around $23 or $24. Not too many people seem to have stumbled across CMaP. Nobody (except Sonic Confusion) seems to even know about "Sleepy Eyes and Butterflies". I for one would be interested in a quote for the new CD "Sailing the Seagoat" (what a great name!), as well as finding out if the "Sleepy Eyes.." is planned for a CD release. If not, then a quote on that one too. ..assuming that there is enough BOC-L interest to warrant a communal overseas purchase... Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From martinp at INFORAMP.NET Tue Nov 14 18:45:00 1995 From: martinp at INFORAMP.NET (MartinPopoff) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:45:00 -0500 Subject: Directory - Modified Message-ID: >I'm just trying this the easy way, directory entry: Martin Popoff, age 32, martinp at inforamp.com Somewhat a lurker at this point! Why? a subject for when I'm feeling verbose . . . > Martin Popoff: martinp at inforamp.net Power Chord Press (Riff Kills Man!) P.O. Box 65208, 358 Danforth Ave. Toronto, Ontario M4K 3Z2 From jguizar at EPIX.NET Tue Nov 14 19:16:21 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:16:21 EST Subject: OFF TOPIC: Spacious Mind hunt Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Nov 1995 20:24:25 +0100 Jonah wrote: >I'll guess the prices I gave you earlier (CD = USD 19.50 - 2LP = USD 28.80 - >excl p&p, and direct from record company) made some potential buyers/traders >freeze to ice. If it should be any idea for me to dig this music out, from a >Record Company 500 US miles away - the price you pay should be equal - or >less than buying from your normal import sources. >So: What is the common price you pay for imports in the States and the UK? It's been anywhere from $15 to $25 for single CD's ($13.50 for an EP). It depends on who the group is. I usually expect to pay around $20 give or take a few dollars before I even go looking - glad when I can find them for $17-$18. >Tell me what you wanna pay for Spacious Mind, and I call the Company :o) For me $18-$19. Don't want to go to far over $20 - figure it'll cost you at least $2 or $3 for postage. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Nov 14 18:54:21 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:54:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: US release of Planet Dog stuff Message-ID: After months/years of waiting, much of the catalog from the UK label Planet Dog is being released in the US. In the last month, I have picked up 3 Eat Static releases (Abduction, Intrusion, and Epsylon/Lost in Time), as well as both of the "Feed Your Head" compilations. I bought all of these at Best Buy for $9.99 each!!!! I also found the domestic release of System 7 (777) "Fire + Water" for $14.99, same place same time. A great month for techno! (now if only my Alien 4 would arrive, I could get back on topic) Captain Cloud From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Nov 14 18:58:36 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:58:36 -0500 Subject: HW FS: Bainbridge/Afrodiziac Message-ID: Local store has one copy of Alman Mulo Band (Harvey Bainbridge) "Afrodiziac" for sale: $15. Any interested parties, E-me. Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Tue Nov 14 20:37:49 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 01:37:49 +0000 Subject: Lurking Message-ID: > >I can tell you my case (though now I loose my position as a lurker!). > >I live in Hungary where Hawkwind and BOC are largely unheard of. And, > >unfortunately, it seems that they will be so in the near future. So when > >you are discussing new releases all I can do is to be envious :-) > > >Cheers, > > > Endre > > Well Endre if you are having trouble getting you hands on HW and BOC music > there are people on the list who would be glad to help. I'm sure things can > be worked out to help you catch up on some of the releases, be it tapes or > mailing cd's. Send me a private e-mail and let me know some more details. > > AB > I gladly do my part! Dan From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Tue Nov 14 20:42:58 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 01:42:58 +0000 Subject: Kerrang! Message-ID: > Yeah remarkable that they rated it lower than CN. ETL is second after > OYFOOYK and just slightly ahead of SEE. ETL is good becuase of Joan > Crawford, Veterans, and Roadhouse Blues its bad becuase D&S just ain't the > same without a Bouchard touch same with COF. SEE is acceptable but only > because of Astronomy and ETI, Kick out the Jams is acceptable but I don't > think it really fits BOC the way some others do. If they can play that song > then surely they could play some other rocking covers even if they > considered them mindless. Got some more coffee in me but I won't start > another Covers BOC should do thread. Long live the King, OYFOOYK, the best > live album ever made bar none. Raw, energetic, gutsy and the best damn > version of Subhuman you will ever hear. > Of course my sleeve says that Al played on D&S and Black Blade. But I admit it sounds unusally stiff. Maybe it was not the most inspiring times then... I never really liked ETL much (JC, VOTPW and Roadhouse are fine, yes), and I think it's mostly because of the strange production. Hey, sometimes you almost cannot hear Buck's guitar!(I'm not even quite sure they play that strange and beautiful C#-chord in D&S) OYFOOYK is in my opinion outstanding (and Subhuman is very special to me too). Though I've heard that none in the band were that much pleased with it. Could it be that they were not too comfortable with their image? I think Al later said of this period, that maybe they played like heavy metal nurds, but they weren't... I bought OYFOOYK after AoF, so I knew they were not all that mean and dangerous :-) Lindfors From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Tue Nov 14 19:54:50 1995 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Brand) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:54:50 -0500 Subject: Is there a list of errata? In-Reply-To: <9511141839.A11639@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: Heyo, Subscribing to this list has been like wandering up to a group of people having a conversation. I'm coming in halfway and seem to have missed a lot. In particular, it seems that there are a lot of "unofficial" live recordings, odd limited releases, and spin-off bands that I have never heard of or seen. In a lot of cases, I'm not even certain who is involved in what -- for example, the names Watt and Brain Surgeons get tossed around a lot, but I'm not sure who they are. Album titles are mentioned, but I'm not sure if they're bootlegs or side projects or if they're available at all. Someone here seems to be in contact with Al Bouchard, who is selling tapes of some new project, but I don't know what it's called or if there are any others. Is there a FAQ or a list of all of these? I really need a scorecard to get me up to speed. Thanks, Brand From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Nov 14 21:58:06 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 19:58:06 -0700 Subject: BOC: WORKSHOP OF THE TELESCOPES In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Nov 1995, Robert Weber wrote: > I just saw "Workshop of the Telescopes" at Tower Records........is this > yet another "greatest hits" collection or is there something special about it > (such as live recordings)?..............bob weberr at pobox-tcs-inc.com > Bob-Yes and yes........... WotT has your standard greatest hits, but it also contains some tracks from the 1972 Columbia release "Live Bootleg" EP. Also, The 2 CD set has the studio version of "Born To Be Wild", which was available as a single back in 1975. Out of all the greatest hits packages out there, I believe that this set is pretty well worth your hard earned money. It represents the band well if you already don't have all of their stuff on CD yet. Has some pretty cooool photos, but a few mistakes in the bio. Buy it!!! Manuel in Nm Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Nov 14 22:06:29 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 20:06:29 -0700 Subject: Kerrang! In-Reply-To: <30A935E6@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: AB- What did you say? You miss Albert on the ETL version of D&S??? Albert IS the one doing the vocals and drums (KBFH,Poughkeepie,80). IMHO(getting a grasp for that compuet slang), the live discs rate as follows; 1. OYFOOYK (Dizbusters, Subhuman,Last Days.....need I say more? 2. SEE (Astronomy,WGTGOOTP,KOYJ....straight and to the point. 3. ETL (D&S,Roadhouse,Black Blade....alright, but not "groundbreaking". As far as bootlegs go, here's my list; 1. Empire Concert Club, Cleveland '91 (awesome) 2. Perkins Palace, Pasadena'83 (perfect) 3. Live In The West (Unreleased, 1975) Later...........Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Wed Nov 15 00:52:29 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 00:52:29 -0500 Subject: Kerrang! Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Nov 1995 jean l delacour writes: > What did you say? You miss Albert on the ETL version of D&S??? > Albert IS the one doing the vocals and drums (KBFH,Poughkeepie,80). Sorry, correction, drums but NOT vocals. If you want to hear my vocal on D&S listen to either the original or the Mike Watt version. Bloom murdered every other version. (unbelieveble!!!!!!) I actually like the outro guitar solo a lot. Buck and I got totally out there (time is out the window and all that's left is pure energy). > 1. OYFOOYK (Dizbusters, Subhuman,Last Days.....need I say more? diz yep, yep , yep. > 2. SEE (Astronomy,WGTGOOTP,KOYJ....straight and to the point. Loosing our religion. > 3. ETL (D&S,Roadhouse,Black Blade....alright, but not "groundbreaking". Ha, that's putting it mildly. I wasn't around for this one. They just took my stuff, sorta like Imaginos, and everything since then, 'cept Bad Soundtracks (They still think it's OK to take my dough). --- rant about money owed deleted ---- I can't understand what they think they can gain by denying my importance to developing the BOC sound. (I just heard about an interview they did yesterday where they were disrespecting me - in Seconds magazine). That's OK. It's mostly their loss. I'm coming back with new stuff. Every day I get stronger. I'll keep you posted. Al From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Nov 15 02:00:06 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 02:00:06 -0500 Subject: BOC Cover Project? Message-ID: I agree with Theo. Making such a tape could be real tough. I don't think we'd ever agree on what songs/bands actually capture the BOC vibe. I can't really think of anything myself - Primus was the closest I came, and most people gave me hell for that... But I still think a cover tape is a possibility, if not now then at least later when a few more are discovered/released. From that old list of covers I saw, there were more than just Reaper, CoF, Hot Rails and D&S covered. Of course there's a number oif "Godzillas", but I do recall a "She's As Beaut", a "Trans MC" and others... Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Nov 15 02:17:27 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 02:17:27 -0500 Subject: Directory - Modified is Voluntary! Message-ID: AB, I was unable to make sense of the modified directory that you sent to the list. I sent in my entry before you had decided on all the exact questions to be answered. If I lack some answers in my entry, please e-mail me and let me know what you need... Chuck From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Wed Nov 15 22:46:30 1995 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:46:30 -1000 Subject: BOC: Things are looking up round here Message-ID: I was tipped off the other day about *Imaginos* on CD for a very reasonable price, and not 2nd hand. I went down yesterday during lunch to pick it up, and to my surprise, I also found the most extensive collection of BOC I've seen in years in a shop. They had *T&M*, *ST*, *AoF*, Spectres*, *SEE*, *Mirrors*, *FoUO*, *RbN*, *Imaginos*, *Career of Evil*, and *WotT*. These, and their other titles, could always be ordered, but here they were IN STOCK. Displayed near the cash register, too, not just on the rack. It wasn't there the last time I was in. Pete. ObCD: *Trepanation* "It stings, it feels good". ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From cs0jca at ISIS.SUNDERLAND.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 06:28:47 1995 From: cs0jca at ISIS.SUNDERLAND.AC.UK (John.Cartledge) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:28:47 GMT Subject: HW: Review Message-ID: Just a quickie (and also to test if my postings are getting here after our mailhub died on Monday). This month's Mojo magazine (Neil Young on the cover) has a review of Hawkwind at Brixton last month. The review itself is quite favourable for a change. There is also a good pic of Ron Tree in action. Worth a sneaky read in WH Smiths ;-) Later John From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Wed Nov 15 07:40:15 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:40:15 -0500 Subject: Kerrang! / 'Stairway' Message-ID: Theo says: >It's a great album, sure, but how could BOC have left off >'Stairway,' which was their opener for their first 5 years or so? >It's deletion bummed me out som that I always gave the record the >cold shoulder until recently. After rediscovery, I find it is a >great album. I never could understand why they've never had an >official release of a live 'Stairway.' I have a live version of 'Stairway' on the B-side of a 7" of 'We gotta get.....'. An official UK single release (I believe this is from a King Biscuit Flower Hour show, whatever that is, not a UK thing that's for sure. There is also another official live version and that is on the 'Live '76' album, albiet somewhat inferior in sound quality (a thread I don't think we really need to reserect quite so soon after the last time!). .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 08:05:36 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:05:36 +0000 Subject: Karn Evil In-Reply-To: <01HXM9MUVLSI9I8WTN@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Nov 14, 95 03:06:20 am Message-ID: > On a sort of similar note, I got some BOC articles today and > Bloom reveals in one of them that "Feel The Thunder" was > originally entitled "Sleep Of A Thousand Tears" and was penned > by Moorcock, but the other band-members didn't like the > storyline, so Eric changed it. I guess Moorcock had better luck > with the song w/HW. And "Sleep of a Thousand Tears" is a better song than "Feel the Thunder". Carl From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Wed Nov 15 07:53:14 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 07:53:14 -0500 Subject: Kerrang! Message-ID: Al says: > Ha, that's putting it mildly. I wasn't around for this one. They just took my > stuff, sorta like Imaginos, and everything since then, 'cept Bad Soundtracks >(They still think it's OK to take my dough). > --- rant about money owed deleted ---- I can't understand what they >think they can gain by denying my importance to developing the BOC sound. (I >just heard about an interview they did yesterday where they were disrespecting >me - in Seconds magazine). That's OK. It's mostly their loss. I'm coming back >with new stuff. Every day I get stronger. I'll keep you posted. >Al Can't comment on the royalties/money aspect as I don't know anything about it. As far as recognition is concerned - after Al's departure came Club Ninja. This is not a CN bashing thing, but (RBN apart) all the other (studio) albums were by a band (as in an organic thing, all working together). Indeed, IMHO, Al seemed to be have the greatest number of writing credits over these years. CN is only half a BOC album, the rest being written by outsiders. The best tracks on CN are written by and with the band, the other tracks would not have been there before as tracks by Al and Joe would have filled their places - making it a proper BOC album as in the old sense). Al's overall influence over BOC cannot be denied, if you took Al and Sandy Pearlman out of the origins and early years of the band it may have ended earlier or become a very ordinary Rock band. But still love 'em. my 2p worth. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 08:20:33 1995 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:20:33 +0000 Subject: Kerrang! Top 50 Message-ID: The Kerrang all time top 50 for services to metal, past & present. (Yes I'm a masochist.) In alphabetical order 9 No rankings given in the book. AC/DC Aerosmith Alice in Chains Anthrax Black Crowes Black Sabbath Blue Oyster Cult Bon Jovi Alice Cooper Death Deep Purple Def Leppard Diamond Head Faith No More Foreigner Guns n'Roses Heart Iron Maiden Janes Addiction Journey Judas Priest Kiss Led Zeppelin Manowar Megadeth Metallica Montrose Motley Crue Motorhead Nirvana Ted Nugent Ozzy Osbourne Pearl Jam Robert Plant Queen Queensrhyche Red Hot Chili Peppers Dvid Lee Roth Rush Scorpions Sepultura Skid Row Slayer Soundgarden Thin Lizzy UFO Van Halen Venom Whitesnake ZZ Top As I said the book doesn't give any ranking, but from the write-up's of the various bands, it seems that Black Sabbath would be given no.1 spot, however it's probably too hard to rank them in this way, as some bands, such as Venom & Slayer basically started whole new genres of metal, which have very small followings, & other bands, such as Bon Jovi & Iron Maiden didn't really do anything new, but opened up Metal to more people by selling a whole load of records. Anyway all this is totally Off Topic, so I'll stop now. I'll try & get the BOC biog written out when I have some more time & I'll post it on the list to save posting to numerous private addresses. From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 08:12:46 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:12:46 GMT Subject: Directory - Modified In-Reply-To: Endre Zsoldos's message of Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:12:35 +0100 Message-ID: > Hi, > > I can tell you my case (though now I loose my position as a lurker!). > > I live in Hungary where Hawkwind and BOC are largely unheard of. And, > unfortunately, it seems that they will be so in the near future. So when > you are discussing new releases all I can do is to be envious :-) > No problem - we can provide from this end if you need stuff. And if you ever come across any Hawkwind "Picture Postcard" singles I'd be happy to trade with you for these. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 15 08:31:26 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:31:26 EST Subject: Kerrang! / 'Stairway' Message-ID: > > There is also another official live version and that is on the > 'Live '76' album, albiet somewhat inferior in sound quality (a > thread I don't think we really need to reserect quite so soon > after the last time!). > > .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com Charles, I purposely omitted 'Live '76' for obvious reasons. Also, OYFOOYN was recorderd earlier than 76 n'est-ce pas? I would've loved a version of 'Stairway' that reflected the live vibe the band was achieving on tour circa OYFOOYN, esp. since I saw them live so many times during that span. It was a killer to miss my fave BOC tune. theo ps please let's not resurrect the 'live '76' thread!!!!!! From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed Nov 15 08:40:09 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (R.Stuckey) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:40:09 GMT Subject: HW: Review Message-ID: > Just a quickie (and also to test if my postings are getting here after our > mailhub died on Monday). > > This month's Mojo magazine (Neil Young on the cover) has a review of Hawkwind > at Brixton last month. > > The review itself is quite favourable for a change. There is also a good pic of > Ron Tree in action. Worth a sneaky read in WH Smiths ;-) > > Sneaked out to WHSmiths at lunchtime...."watching Hawkwind is like watching Blakes 7 with a Ramones soundtrack"....I like that. bye - Rob From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 08:38:28 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:38:28 +0000 Subject: Kerrang! In-Reply-To: <9511150052.AA29318@worldlink.com> from "albert bouchard" at Nov 15, 95 00:52:29 am Message-ID: > I can't understand what they > think they can gain by denying my importance to developing the BOC sound. I can. Obviously you were a huge influence on the sound and a major songwriting force--now that they haven't got you somewhere in their hearts of hearts they need to try and convince themselves (and others) that you weren't. And if they or anyone actually believed that they wouldn't have to keep saying it so often ;) And, yeah, so where's that long awaited new album, Eric? ;) Time would appear to be taking care of you ;) > I'm coming back > with new stuff. Every day I get stronger. I'll keep you posted. Rock on! There are are two kinds of people in the world: those with new material, and those who dig. Cheers, Carl From reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM Wed Nov 15 09:22:23 1995 From: reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:22:23 EST Subject: BOC covers Message-ID: I see someone posted about bands covering BOC. We all know BOC covered quite a few themselves. Coming to mind are... Kick OTJ - MC5 Born TBW - Step Roadhouse - Doors We GGOOTP - Animals Masterati GT - ?? Be my Baby - Ronnettes I think they also covered some WHO at one time or another. I wonder if any Beatles?? Can anyone recall others? RR From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Wed Nov 15 09:26:52 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:26:52 -0500 Subject: BOC Covers Message-ID: RR: >Kick OTJ - MC5 >Born TBW - Step >Roadhouse - Doors >We GGOOTP - Animals >Masterati GT - ?? >Be my Baby - Ronnettes >I think they also covered some WHO at one time or another. I wonder >if any Beatles?? >Can anyone recall others? How about: Sea Cruise - ?? I Want You - Beatles Love Me Two Times - Doors .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 15 09:42:58 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:42:58 EST Subject: BOC covers Message-ID: > > Kick OTJ - MC5 > Born TBW - Step > Roadhouse - Doors > We GGOOTP - Animals > Masterati GT - ?? > Be my Baby - Ronnettes > > > I think they also covered some WHO at one time or another. I wonder > if any Beatles?? > > Can anyone recall others? > > RR RR, Maserati GT was recorded as 'I Ain't got you.' by the Yardbirds. I believe it could be an older R&B tune previously recorded by someone else. Not sure, but I don't think the Yardbirds wrote it. That would be Clapton-era Yardbirds, I'm pretty sure, which segues into another thought: My fave BOC cover of all time. They once did Cream's 'I Feel Free' as an encore. Only heard BOC do it that once. It was absolutely killer. I've always hoped to hear it again. Anyone else hear that encore? theo From MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU Wed Nov 15 09:45:56 1995 From: MCINTYRE at PA.MSU.EDU (John McIntyre) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:45:56 -0500 Subject: _Cult Bands_ Message-ID: Saw an interesting item at my local bookstore the other day: _Cult Bands_. Can't remember the authors, but it proclaims itself to be a roster of 150 cult bands with a thumbnail sketch of each act. To my surprise, it included both Blue Oyster Cult and Hawkwind. Now, the book has the obvious problem of trying to cover 150 bands in 200 pages: if you're already familiar with the band, this book won't tell you anything new, and if you're not familiar with the band, this book won't really tell you enough to know whether you're going to like the band or not. But I thought the list would be glad to hear both our heroes were included. (-8 Surprisingly, the store had about ten copies in stock. Somebody thinks there's a market for it. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 15 09:52:13 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:52:13 EST Subject: BOC Covers Message-ID: Love Me Two Times - Doors > > .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com I've heard them do 'Love Me 2x' also, once on its own and once as part of 'Roadhouse' theo From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 15 12:07:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:07:00 PST Subject: Coffee Warning - One thought at a time today Message-ID: WARNING! WARNING! I've been drinking Torgo blend this morning. Directory - The lurkers have spoken, have received several more responses to the directory. All those comming by [ersonal e-mail I'm trying to send you a notification when your information has been added. Really appreciate the responses people. Now while no one has yet talked about any problems with the attachment Charlie Grant is willing to make sure that an e-mail friendly version is posted. Charlie SLAP (Sounds Like A Plan). I'll finish the latest entries and get it off to you for whatever technical magic your planning. Thanks. To Chuck, the modified directory only includes name, age, handle, primary band and e-mail address. The unmodified version contianed location information for a small group of people as that was added well after the project started. If people believe location should be added to the modified version I think we can do that but it may take awhile. To Theo, yep I noticed. Perhaps everyone reached for the coffee. Lurkers - Hey I thought it was funny, was certainly intended to be, but I have seen some valid reasons for why people lurk. Thanks lurkers for the education. To Endre in particular, understand your situation but you really need to take advantage of the good folks on this list. Some really great people here who are more than willing to help a list member. Speaking of people go back to the K qoute of Gene Simmons and Eyes. Gene said kids want to hear rock & roll not poems. Eyes said something about BOC's slice of the pie being tasty. Well Gene was right but only when looking at it from a commercial standpoint. Give 'em what they want and sell millions. Eyes was more right as I think BOC and HW fans demand more from their music. We are into substance over style. ETL- Though I may act crazy and appear crazy to a lot of people I knew my reasons for not liking ETL as much as OYFOOYK was valid. Yeah Al played on the album but he DIDN"T SING D&S, and that my friends is why I'm not crazy about that version or COF. Sorry but for D&S the vocals is 90% of the song to me. Theo, yeah OYFOOYK omits the traditional opener Stairways but can you really find any faults with it? Not Moi. And though Subhuman may not have pleased the band much I think it is simply the Best BOC song available on disc. My carpool buddy and I took a real count of how many people we introduced to BOC by playing the live version of Subhuman and there were about a dozen of them. Tape Cover Project - This could work, provided someone has the some of these covers. But are their enough of them to fill a 60 or 90 min. Tape. Perhaps we can do actual covers on one side and use the other side to represent some BOC influence. Nobody out there has the exact BOC style, nobody, but whether its the lyrics, or some rythym or some poor slob trying desparately to imitate the great Dharma there are some songs. Lets compile a list, interested folks, and then vote on those influence songs that should make the cut. Can we do this through private e-mails though so we don't flood the list. We can then take the committe recommendations out to the list so those who want a copy of the tape can put in their bid. My door and mailbox are always open. Call to the FAQ Editor - To the person unsure of how the Brain Surgeons, Mike Watt and WoTT play on this list, two things AL IS IN THE HOUSE MY FRIEND, he posts occassionaly so watch for his stuff. Al is alos leader of the Brain Surgeons. As for all of the other questions you have the official BOC FAQ editor is part of this list too. You should contact him (John Swartz) Or access the FAQ on the Net. John Updated it not too long ago. Off Topic stuff - Is anybody out there familiar with the bands Man-O-War and Marrillion? Just curious. Browsing thru Best Buy wishing I had some money when I stumbled across these bands (looking for any new/old Marino). MOW looks like heavy metal types with SCI-FI/SWORD SORCERY theme. Marillion are they a space rock band? Can someone send me an E and clue in the clueless. To the BOC on the Rack - Did you stumble into Best Buy, my friend? You can get all of those and 3Pak at Best Buy. Hawkwind stock is pretty impressive too. Whew, off to get more coffee. Bye AB From cs0jca at ISIS.SUNDERLAND.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 10:07:56 1995 From: cs0jca at ISIS.SUNDERLAND.AC.UK (John.Cartledge) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:07:56 GMT Subject: HW: Bob Calvert Project (repost) Message-ID: Firstly, apologies if this has already appeared (major mail hassles including a 2 day bounce back!). Hi all, Yeah, the shop in question was Oldhitz. I say was, because a few months ago it was knocked down in the name of progress in order for Marks & Spencer to expand it's corporate empire over the site (also knocked down one of the best pubs in Newcastle at the same time). Philistines! It was run by a guy called John Hughes. He took a great interest in, and was frirndly with, ICU, Bob Calvert and The Maximum Effect. For a time he would be at every gig videoing and taping the shows. He also bought the rights to the first ICU album (Pass Out) and re-released it on his own Oldhitz label with a load of extra tracks (some featuring Calvert). Also at the time he was putting out newsletters, videos and promoting shows. Unfortunately things ground to a halt round about 1986-7 when ICU had split and the Maximum Effect got nowhere. Shame really. While on the subject of ICU, has anyone got a spare copy of, or knows where to get a copy of ICU's Maximum Effect album. I've been after this for years with little success. Odd copies i've found have been usually unplayable. I will pay a decent price if it's in good nick. Anyway. Hope this is of some use. Later John From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 15 12:12:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:12:00 PST Subject: Karn Evil Message-ID: > On a sort of similar note, I got some BOC articles today and > Bloom reveals in one of them that "Feel The Thunder" was > originally entitled "Sleep Of A Thousand Tears" and was penned > by Moorcock, but the other band-members didn't like the > storyline, so Eric changed it. I guess Moorcock had better luck > with the song w/HW. > And "Sleep of a Thousand Tears" is a better song than "Feel >the Thunder". >Carl Confused. Is Feel The Thunder, Sleep of A 1,000 Years redone or is Sleep a separate song not included on the album? From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 15 12:23:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:23:00 PST Subject: Drum solos Message-ID: - > OBCD - Great White - Great White Picked this one up real cheap. Songs were > bands original record contract demo. Boy they sure don't sound like that > anymore. > > AB > >Too bad GW sounds like anything. That sort of 80s hair farmer >drivel is best left to die on the vine!> - - > True GW ain't worthy of BOC or HW status but you should check out Sail Away. They are not a big hair 80's band anymore. Some of their stuff actually sounds pretty good you may be suprised. Besides their were some pretty fun Big Hair bands in the 80's Y&T, Van Halen with David (not Sammy). Nothing wrong with listening to a little Gene Simmons type music, escpecially when you have been spoiled by a BOC but their not giving you anything at all to sink your teeth in. AB From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 15 10:34:21 1995 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:34:21 -0500 Subject: BOC Covers Message-ID: Rumor has it they covered Pipeline at least once... R. From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Nov 15 11:09:19 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:09:19 -0500 Subject: Marillion In-Reply-To: <30AA1F3A@houmg001.shl.com> from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Nov 15, 95 09:07:00 am Message-ID: > > Off Topic stuff - Is anybody out there familiar with the bands Man-O-War and > Marrillion? Just curious. Browsing thru Best Buy wishing I had some money > when I stumbled across these bands (looking for any new/old Marino). MOW > looks like heavy metal types with SCI-FI/SWORD SORCERY theme. Marillion are > they a space rock band? Can someone send me an E and clue in the clueless. > > Ahhh, Marillion, the band that got me back into prog in a big way! This is the prototype of all of the Neo-progressive bands. In many ways they remind folks of Genesis (circa Selling England By The Pound), others don't hear the resemblence (I do). David will argue with me, but I think that the best Marillion is when they had their original vocalist Fish with them. Sadly, he departed after the double live The Theiving Magpie. Best bets to start with are Fugazi and Clutching at Straws, with Script For A Jester's Tear right in there. The collection titled B-Sides Themselves is also worth a listen (they made some great radio-ready singles. Don't overlook what many claim to be the best concept release, Misplaced Childhood, although I don't think it is as strong as Clutching. Season's End was the last halfway decent release that I have heard (I stopped buying their stuff after the awful Holidays In Eden). IMHO, Marillion without Fish is like BOC is without the Bouchard Bros. And Fish without Marillion dosen't have it either. Excellent musicianship but they just don't have the spark. Sad... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 11:24:41 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:24:41 +0000 Subject: BOC Covers In-Reply-To: <3EF53732410@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > I've heard them do 'Love Me 2x' also, once on its own and once as > part of 'Roadhouse' ..and I heard it 'live' last night, OK so it was the Australian Doors but they were excellent/authentic right down to the hammond organ sound! Maxine From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Nov 15 11:42:56 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:42:56 -0600 Subject: OFF: Re: Marillion In-Reply-To: <9511151609.AA18232@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Craig Shipley wrote: > David will argue with me, but I think > that the best Marillion is when they had their original vocalist Fish > with them. Sadly, he departed after the double live The Theiving Magpie. > Best bets to start with are Fugazi and Clutching at Straws, with Script > For A Jester's Tear right in there. The collection titled B-Sides > Themselves is also worth a listen (they made some great radio-ready > singles. Don't overlook what many claim to be the best concept release, > Misplaced Childhood, although I don't think it is as strong as Clutching. > Season's End was the last halfway decent release that I have heard (I > stopped buying their stuff after the awful Holidays In Eden). > > IMHO, Marillion without Fish is like BOC is without the Bouchard Bros. > And Fish without Marillion dosen't have it either. Excellent musicianship > but they just don't have the spark. Sad... While I despise _Holidays in Eden_ as much as many old Marillion fans, I highly reccommend both of their releases afterward, _Brave_ (a concept lp that at least approaches the level of _Clutching..._, and the newest _Afraid of the Sunlight_. The level of communication and interaction between Steve Hogarth (vocalist after Fish) and the rest of the band has finally come together to the point that the two blend as well as Fish and old Marillion used to. You might also want to take a look at Fish's first solo lp, _Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors_, which is generally considered to be his best. He recently released a 2 cd compilation, _Yin and Yang_, that covers the whole of his solo career, and some reinterpretations of old Marillion classics. Allan. ObHW: On the advice of list members, I recently purchased the Griffin _Warrior_ with booklet, but don't hear any major difference compared to my Dojo release: am I just missing it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Wed Nov 15 09:37:12 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:37:12 EST Subject: Lurkers & Stuff Message-ID: Ok, a sidebar (long) just to make this post BOC-related: For a long time I've been disturbed by the lack of "in-stock" BOC works (along with some other groups I like) in record stores. Among these stores is "The Wall," which I checked out some weeks ago. So, last night I meet the son of an older middle-aged couple who are friends of ours. Just shooting the breeze while waiting for someone when, lo and behold, we start talking about what we do for a living. (Can anyone guess what comes next in this story?....That's OK, I'll wait...... hum dee dum ...................nope, that's not it.......la da da dee do.........no, that's not it either, try again..... .............you're getting warmer....... BZZZZZ...time's up.) As luck might have it, this guy (about my age, which made me sick) was the head buyer for the east coast "The Wall" stores. Of course the doctor's (that's me) ears perked up. "My good man, we need to talk," I said (putting my arm around his shoulder in a mentoring way). Well, you can probably guess the rest of the conversation, so no boring details here. Suffice to say that the doctor made a few points well, and was dismayed to find out that this guy was not on-line yet. To just give an example, though, about how I argued my views (hopefully successfully), we were debating about the buying power of teeny boppers who bum money off their parents and buy current top 40 crap vs. the buying power of more mature folks who have developed an appreciation for true rock n' roll and spend their hard-earned money on stuff that has held its own through the years. (Can someone guess the side he took and the side that the doctor (that's me) took? Ok, that was too easy.) This part of the conversation, as best as I can remember it, went like this: "Answer this," I queried, "who did you listen to in high school, and I mean beyond the pop stuff on the radio?" "Well," he said, "there was Yes, REO Speedwagon..." "no, no, no," I interrupted, "the REAL stuff.... you know.... the REAL music that drove your parents nuts and got you detention when the teacher saw the doodles on your notebooks." "Oh," he said [as a grin appeared on his face as if the doctor put him in touch with some long-supressed memories of old], "there was, let's see, AC/DC, uh, Zeppelin, hmm, Aerosmith...." I interrupted again "the notebook, son, remember the notebook." "Of course," he said, "Blue Oyster Cult." "You know, you never hear much about them these days, Bob, when's the last time they had a song on the radio?" he said. Alas, the doctor knew that his work here was almost done. "You know, Jeff [real name withheld at his request because I told him I'd be chatting on the net], you need to be more true to your roots" I said. "Look at me, who do you think has more disposable income, me or some gum-chewing Hootie fan?" "But Bob," he said, "what do you know about the record charts and marketing?" "Well," I retorted, "what does a pubescent, boot-wearing, pants down below their ass, boxers showing, head-shaven, wool baseball cap- wearing dropout know about good music? Not much in either case, don't you think?" "Look Jeff," I continued "I'm not trying to be nasty here, I just think you ought to step back a moment, think about the untapped market of 30 somethings with hard-earned $$$ to spend, and give them something that they can buy. Let them go back to their roots, only this time on CD instead of vinyl or undigitized cassettes. I'll bet that there would be a blip on your marketing charts if you did, and the holiday season is upon us. What about it, Jeff?" "You know, Bob, you make a decent point." Seeing my opportunity here, I added "just think about it, Jeff, and, when in doubt, just use yourself as an example. Don't forget to let some past memories bubble up when you're thinking about what to buy. There's a market out there, people like you and me, that you haven't reached yet." So the conversation continued. Like I said, this is an example of just one of many points that I tried to make to this guy. As we were leaving, I did manage to get in a few plugs in about the internet, wanting to see more BOC CDs on the rack and a plug for the Brain Surgeons. Now I remind you that this guy was from out-of-town and was just visiting his parents, who are friends of ours (me and the wife). I may not ever see him again, but at least I got to plant a few seeds in his head. Who knows? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now that the post is relevant to BOC, I wanted to make some general comments about lurkers. Since I'm confined to digest mode, I learned that others have already stated my points. But the doctor can always add a thought or two. As a lurker on another list myself, I can relate. I think that lurkers can fall into one or more of 3 general categories: 1. Those that think that more than 50% of the stuff is garbage and whose main interest is in reading the occasional posts from the "famous" people on the list. 2. Those who don't want the hassle of flame wars with the politically correct crowd but are still interested in the subject. 3. Those, as someone else stated, that just want to be in touch with the subject of interest but see themselves as removed and unable to contribute much because of things beyond their control (e.g.-geograpy, as someone mentioned) Since this is my only post of the day (and I won't see it again until I get my digest tomorrow), I might as well ramble on.... I need to get this political correctness thing off my chest. Why is it that folks on some lists (NOT THIS ONE, JUST OTHER LISTS) feel the need to couch everything in disclaimers? For example, on another list, I saw something to the effect "I don't want to piss anyone off, but if you'll just allow me to sneak in my opinion here, I think that blah, blah........It's just my humble opinion, blah, blah......." Cut me a friggin' break, here. One of the attractions to BOC-L for me was that people seemed confident enough to post what they thought. Period. (Hey AB, now there's a category or two to add to your directory-1."how you learned about BOC-L" and 2."what made you stay"-I'm sure the listowner would appreciate these additions.) Sure, there's always going to be someone flaming a person who states what they believe. But I'm glad to see that there's not alot of "IMO" or "IMHO" crap here. Political correctness is for wussies. (Notice the lack of IMO or IMHO) Just the fact that I'm typing this makes it my opinion, and I don't have to pull the IMHO routine. So, that's about it for today. The sugar buzz has worn off. Maybe I ought to try some of AB's coffee :-) <------NOT a politically correct smiley face, just a colon, dash, and closed parentheses. -Dr. Bob rkohl at state.de.us From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Wed Nov 15 11:48:08 1995 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:48:08 GMT Subject: OffTopic : Australian Doors Message-ID: ..and I heard it 'live' last night, OK so it was the Australian Doors but they were excellent/authentic right down to the hammond organ sound! Maxine ----- End Included Message ----- Does anybody have tour dates for the Aus Doors show ? I've been to see them twice, completely different sets, but excellent both times. Neil. From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Nov 15 11:51:42 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:51:42 +0100 Subject: HW: Motorhead Tribute /w HW Cover! Message-ID: >Joe, > > Did you pick up the CD? If so, I'd be interested to know >the other tracks and artists on there, if you don't mind... > >Chuck This is the tracklist of the new Swedish Motorhead Tribute: (sorry - got it by phone, and I'm not 100% sure of every track title :^( Castaway - Killed by Death Sator - Over the Top - (same as Sator Codex, which did MotU once...) Cosa Nostra - Iron Fist Havanna Black - We Are the Road Crew Lost Souls - Sweet Revenge NOMADS - MOTORHEAD - yes, another Hawkwind cover - and a reason to buy this :o) Livin' Sacrifice - Hell Raiser Gone - Die You Bastard Omnitron - Ace of Spades - also on the Swedish Sabbath Tribute Full Metal Jacket - Eat the Rich Death Force (?) - Cat Rapes Dog Hiroshima - Overkill Kurt Orvars Rebeller - The Hammer Roejkommandot - Damage Case Hellacopters - Speed Freak Entombed - One Track Mind Price still SEK 139 + p&p happy covers - \\joe From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 15 11:56:21 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:56:21 EST Subject: BOC Covers Message-ID: > > I've heard them do 'Love Me 2x' also, once on its own and once as > > part of 'Roadhouse' > > > ..and I heard it 'live' last night, OK so it was the Australian Doors but > they were excellent/authentic right down to the hammond organ sound! > > Maxine Maxine, hate to quibble, but I'm pretty sure that isn't a hammond organ you're hearing, unless that's a term you Brits use like we do Fender Bass, which has come, in some circles, to mean any electric bass. Ray Manzarek used portable keyboards like Farfisas, voxes and such, which render a thinner, cheesier (there's old time U.S. slang for you!) more mysterious and disconcerting sound. I think a hammond would've been too rich sounding for the Doors material. theo From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Wed Nov 15 12:33:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:33:00 GMT Subject: BOC: Harvesters Message-ID: I nearly forgot to post this... OK, so I'm listening to the radio late last night, on comes a rather grisly item about some families in Michigan who are suing the state because they each had had children who'd died in hospital, and whose eyes had been removed (for transplant) without their consent and, in some cases, against their stated wishes. The lawyer representing the families is being interviewed, and he says "...and the family were unaware that a harvester was even present..." Say what?!? He twice more talks about "harvesting". The (British) interviewer actually questions him over this terminology, and he chuckles and says, "it's their word, not mine". Just thought I'd share that. - Andy From weberr at POBOX.TCS-INC.COM Wed Nov 15 12:46:40 1995 From: weberr at POBOX.TCS-INC.COM (Robert Weber) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:46:40 -0500 Subject: BOC: Harvesters -Reply Message-ID: I wonder if the interviewer had his occular TB with him From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 15 14:59:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:59:00 PST Subject: BOC: Harvesters Message-ID: >OK, so I'm listening to the radio late last night, on comes a rather >grisly item about some families in Michigan who are suing the state >because they each had had children who'd died in hospital, and whose eyes >had been removed (for transplant) without their consent and, in some >cases, against their stated wishes. The lawyer representing the families >is being interviewed, and he says "...and the family were unaware that a >harvester was even present..." Perhaps Eric(Eyes, Manny, Fartknocker)Bloom is an attorney in between playing stun guitar at club gigs. >He twice more talks about "harvesting". The (British) interviewer >actually questions him over this terminology, and he chuckles and says, >"it's their word, not mine". Indeed there appear to be Fartknocker fans in the courtroom. If you look closely at the Simpson trial Shapiro was leaning over and whispering the lyrics of Don't Fear the Reaper into OJ's ears. AB From martinp at INFORAMP.NET Wed Nov 15 13:11:50 1995 From: martinp at INFORAMP.NET (MartinPopoff) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:11:50 -0500 Subject: AB: complete Manowar reviews from RKM! Message-ID: >>Off Topic stuff - Is anybody out there familiar with the bands Man-O-War and >Marrillion? Just curious. Browsing thru Best Buy wishing I had some money >when I stumbled across these bands (looking for any new/old Marino). MOW >looks like heavy metal types with SCI-FI/SWORD SORCERY theme. Can someone send me an E and clue in the clueless. > AB >Here' the complete Manowar reviews from my book (until TOS): > Manowar - Battle Hymns (Liberty '82) And so it is conceived, the Manowar kingdom, borne of U.S. muscle and might, trash-talking confrontation with those who pose and oppose, spiritual descendants of The Nuge (especially on Shell Shock), embracing the new power genre in full combat fatigue. Never mind that the music won't catch up to the spiel until Hail To England, vocalist Eric Adams is Attitude on full throttle, and the trademark trashy bass and drums foundation is articulated albeit in somewhat primitive form. Still, while the claims to heaviest on the hill ring a little premature, Battle Hymns is chock full o' anthemic punter nuggets, tastiest being Manowar, a soccer chant of a tune rendered greasy and trustworthy by Adams' killer delivery. Also our first of many insect-like bass solos with the hyper William's Tale (William Tell Overture on uppers). Immediately rowdy, outcast alcohol metal with vacuum-packed isolation from current overseas trends, Manowar's debut tends to leak melody like old American metal, an important factor in making this one of the more accessible Manowar mental tattoos, uniformally moving it along into glory ride. Rating 8 Manowar - Into Glory Ride (Megaforce '83) Parallel this to Trouble's The Skull, both following up by slowing it down and crawling under in the name of establishing band psyche; metallic backdrop over which to future play. Into Glory Ride is even more crusty and archaic than the debut, smashing and hitting and beating on songs in no way strong enough to take the battery. However, the Manowar religion becomes firmly transcribed with three <169>of<170> songs in a row, Secret Of Steel, Gloves Of Metal, and Gates Of Valhalla, which basically sum up (along with the album covers) the band's unstoppable, delusional mission to conquer. Trashy, grungy, and weighted with Viking swords, Into Glory Ride is the lost Manowar record, a transition between first life and one of a kind, fur-lined fantasia. Rating 6 Manowar - Hail To England (Music For Nations '84) Ross The Boss, Eric Adams, Joey DeMaio and Scott Columbus come bone-breaking back with their strongest to date, a record that is my sentimental favorite, arriving at the peak of my metallic dependence. Monikered to thank Manowar's mighty fan base in the U.K. versus a noticeably smaller following stateside, Hail To England was a heroic, over-blown facemelt of a record, filled with excessive, mercilessly recorded metal gems, clocked at various welcome velocities, each bloody tale a beacon of stone thumping victoriously on its own. Side one,Blood Of My Enemies, Each Dawn I Die, Kill With Power and the title track is the most solid side of Manowar to date, highlighted by cut three, one face-pasting OTT shredder that became for a good six months my catalyst to rise and move forward each morning. Hail To England triumphantly made audible the buzz that metal was capable of installing in one's brain, using typical Manowar language fused to the band's trademark distortion levels to drive the point home like a ruby-encrusted dagger through the heart, all four corners of the attack pulverizing with over-the top beatings of their chosen weapons. In the end, Hail To England kills with power because of its unquenchable will to power, a knowledge that its blackened but unbowed spirit cannot be compromised. Rating 10 (Reprinted From Riff Kills Man!: 25 Years Of Recorded Hard Rock & Heavy Metal. 1,942 record reviews spanning the years 1968-1993, 445 pages, $20 including tax and shipping from Power Chord Press, P.O. Box 65208, 358 Danforth Ave., Toronto, Ontario, M4K 3Z2. Note: Mention you saw this in BOC-1, and receive free, 575 reviews written since the book was published.) Manowar - Sign Of the Hammer (10 '84) And the roaring poseur bonfire finds more vindictive petrol, as the Immovable Four follow up a head-strafing classic with yet another, in a metal year that is owned by the band, at least in terms of respect, underground buzz and European media coverage. Steadfast and resolute in their calling to be the loudest, heaviest, bad-ass force on stage, Sign Of The Hammer has that same chaotic, hysterical production sound, a grinding, buzzing battle between pumped-up man and machine, which even infects near ballad Mountains (strummed sensitively on bass), a surprisingly catchy piece of dynamic bravado. Top it all off with Guyana (Cult Of The Damned), a tribute to the good reverend Jim and a few hundred dead chosen ones, and you've got one appalling, harrowing trip down Manowar's Nordic coastline in the sky. Perhaps more frenetic and thrashy than its confident predecessor, Sign Of The Hammer is nevertheless a power-hungry feast on which to gorge, a journey on which the music nor the lyrics can be taken seriously on their own, only the resulting death tones of their fused attack. Truly a panic of a record for whatever reason. Rating 8 Manowar - Fighting The World (Atco '87) Having been pasted to the wall by Manowar live and in concert, I now can begin to understand the dismally unjust reasons for the band's lack of commercial glory, for fact is, the band's fanbase has been systematically driven to deafness by the unholy wrenching of cavernous howling that is Manowar in the flesh. Yea and verily, mine interest might have waned in these later lean years, were it not for the insane conviction of the band's on and off stage dedication to annihilation. Fighting The World, although largely <169>unheard<170> if you get my drift, is a fine pageant of ageless lore, a feast of godly strength, recalling the band's finest fistfuls of rage. That tell-tale Manowar sound has been brilliantly fine-aged 'til it rumbles and destroys with more grating fear than henceforth willed, still encrusted with the distorted gutturals of Joey Demaio's bass and Scott Columbus' killer percussive machinations. All of side one is thunderously perfect Manowar, offering one half glory-bound anthems, one half metal-encased statements of war. Side two upholds the band's brave tradition of epic, lumbering into being with the previously released, Orson Welles-narrated Defender, then the Valhalla-entombed dynamics of Holy War, which comes as a bit of a ponderous lull compared to merciless closer Black Wind, Fire and Steel, a characteristic explosion of speed done in typical Manowar disdain for the weak, chafing with raw collisions of bass and vocal will from the supreme and unwielding Eric Adams. After the smoke melts, what hath just occurred is another characteristically muscular offering, one side fully great, one side, sprawling and maybe 1/3 or 1/2 as direct as one might want, spending much time strenuously re-establishing the "Death To False Metal" doctrine and accompanying fur-lined image already labouriously and relentlessly enforced at every lull in the violence. However, despite such sermons which we've grown to love and live for, Manowar is the reigning human bullet of uncompromise, no question. Long live. Rating 9 anowar - Kings Of Metal (Atlantic '88) Deeming this band a parody is a futile pursuit in infinite ironic layering, for Manowar is a philosophy of inter-connecting unbelievables that just disintegrates into mass ludicrousness under too serious scrutiny. Having said that, Kings Of Metal comes along and for once, this band that finds, record after record, impressive and bludgeoning terrain while unrepentantly repeating itself, finally begins to stumble over its past, curmudgeoning itself into a dim reflection of the spiel it until now pulled off with impressive weight and authority. Not that Kings Of Metal is a waste of space, but it most definitely is chock full of traditional but usually limited Manowar flaws such as bad thrash, lots of silly instrumental interludes, slow, boring sections, extravagant arrangements, and above all one of the poorer mixes in years, something known on the back cover as <169>full digital recording<170> which more or less exposes the band's sonic holes, here sounding all clattering and noisy, little in the way of full range or bottom end muscle. And only now, do the lyrics echo with empty threats. High points: the dramatic and tuneful Kingdom Come and the OTT cheeze of Hail And Kill. All in all, merely a low calibre collection of songs, blown away at the knees by one uninviting and clanky mix. Rating 6 Manowar - The Triumph Of Steel (Atlantic '92) Manowar's return despite humbling (never!), almost mortal (never!) trials and tribulations embraces the CD age with one endless epic tale about, you guessed it, muscle-beaches with swords, unassumingly deemed Achilles, Agony And Ecstacy In Eight Parts, which at 28:37 is destined to throw in every Manowar excess ever mustered under the flag of megaton mastery. Builds, ebbs, flows, mini-songs, ravings, mini-suites and an awe-inspiring, quintessentially metallic drum solo (plus cymbal solo intro) from new boot Rhino, all combine to cut a landscape that is the ultimate Manowar profile, for better and worse; gut-turning textures but, well, long. Anyhow, strapped on the back end, we get no less than seven more caterwauls, all pressing the band to even further extremes; extremes of speed, anger, sloth, quiet seclusion, noise, panic, experimentation, sound effects, solo frenetics and production fanaticism, which is damn near equal to the band's insane live mix. New drummer Rhino and new axeman David Shankle are forces to behold out of necessity, as they assume their respective thrones in a band that manages to showcase everybody all the time. Without a doubt, the most lavish, psychologically forceful Manowar project yet; to use a volatile term, progressive, as the men on the mount define their world in intense vividness within and away from their music towards aural narrative (Orson, can you hear us?). Big, blinding and overblown (not to mention six more "of" songs), The Triumph Of Steel is unswerving ambition filling the confines of the long established Manowar world of ancient heroics. Whether it spills into your world is a question of personal taste. In my world, Manowar now goes even further beyond discussion of good vs. bad metal, into one of mental landscaping, as I seem to become less concerned with counting good riffs and choruses, more blasted by the welded vibes. Rating 9 Martin Popoff: martinp at inforamp.net Power Chord Press (Riff Kills Man!) P.O. Box 65208, 358 Danforth Ave. Toronto, Ontario M4K 3Z2 From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Nov 15 13:28:35 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:28:35 -0500 Subject: Is there a list of errata? Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-14 19:58:50 EST, you write: >Is there a FAQ or a list of all of these? I really need a scorecard to >get me up to speed. > >Thanks, > >Brand > > YES! all your answers can be found in the BOC FAQ ver 2.0 available at: ftp://ftp.spc.edu/boc-l/ in the meantime: The Brain Surgeons are a band consisting of Rock Journalist Deb Frost and drummer extroardinaire Albert Bouchard Mike Watt is a bassplayer that played in Firehose and the Minutemen and has recently ventured the solo path with his latest release Ballhog or Tugboat.... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Nov 15 13:28:42 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:28:42 -0500 Subject: BOC: Things are looking up round here Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-15 02:55:27 EST, you write: >They had *T&M*, *ST*, *AoF*, Spectres*, *SEE*, >*Mirrors*, *FoUO*, *RbN*, *Imaginos*, *Career of Evil*, and *WotT*. These, >and their other titles, could always be ordered, but here they were IN >STOCK. Displayed near the cash register, too, not just on the rack. It >wasn't there the last time I was in. > >Pete. > >ObCD: *Trepanation* >"It stings, it feels good". > > was this on a display kinda thingy? like a cardboard display or what? ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Nov 15 13:28:44 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:28:44 -0500 Subject: Kerrang! Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-15 08:15:18 EST, you write: >Al's overall influence over BOC cannot be denied, if you took Al >and Sandy Pearlman out of the origins and early years of the band it may have >ended earlier or become a very ordinary Rock band. >But still love 'em. I agree...if I look at the quality of music on RBN and CN - I'd say that the last "great" BOC album before those would be "Fire of Unknown Origin", which, by no coincidence, was Albert's last studio album with BOC...and it wasn't until "Imaginos" that we were given a gem of a BOC album, and again, Albert's work as well as countless others on this one... Although I consider Club Ninja and RBN to be #1 and #2, respectively, on the worst BOC albums list, each album still contains its high points...RBN gives us classics like "Take Me Away" and "Shark" with "Shadow of California" not too far behind...Ninja's "White Flags" "Ruins" and "Perfect Water" are all good tunes, but these tunes (except for "PW") are too damn light and "poppy" for me to really enjoy... from what I've seen, the new songs ("See You In Black", "Still Burnin'" etc etc) are reminiscent of the BOC of old, circa Fire of Unknown Origin, and kick ass... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Nov 15 13:28:45 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:28:45 -0500 Subject: Coffee Warning - One thought at a time today Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-15 10:22:42 EST, you write: >Off Topic stuff - Is anybody out there familiar with the bands Man-O-War and >Marrillion? Just curious. I've only heard the name Marillion, I think they are some kind of Cult band, and probly listed in that book that was mentioned earlier... Man-O-War is a metal band that reached their peak in the height of the Thrash-Metal movement...they're a 3 piece band that wear like (not sure how to describe it...) Viking garb...they're not very good, IMO... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Nov 15 13:28:45 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:28:45 -0500 Subject: BOC covers Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-15 09:26:19 EST, you write: >I think they also covered some WHO at one time or another. I wonder >if any Beatles?? > >Can anyone recall others? > >RR they did a cover of the Stones' "It's Not Easy"...I hear that in the old days BOC did alot of covers mixed in with their originals...the Beatles, Stones, the Brady Bunch Theme Song...Al? ROBO From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 13:35:40 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 18:35:40 +0000 Subject: Karn Evil In-Reply-To: <30AA2089@houmg001.shl.com> from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Nov 15, 95 09:12:00 am Message-ID: > > On a sort of similar note, I got some BOC articles today and > > Bloom reveals in one of them that "Feel The Thunder" was > > originally entitled "Sleep Of A Thousand Tears" and was penned > > by Moorcock, but the other band-members didn't like the > > storyline, so Eric changed it. I guess Moorcock had better luck > > with the song w/HW. > > > And "Sleep of a Thousand Tears" is a better song than "Feel > >the Thunder". > > Confused. Is Feel The Thunder, Sleep of A 1,000 Years redone or is Sleep a > separate song not included on the album? "Feel the Thunder" in its earliest incarnation had Moorcock lyrics. BOC ditched them for different lyrics, and Moorcock took the lyrics off to Hawkwind, whereupon Hawkwind recorded "Sleep of 1000 Years" with their own music. Which is more or less to say that Hawkwind wrote a better tune than the Oyster Boys on this one, or perhaps that "Feel the Thunder" wouldn't be so hideous if they'd used the Moorcock lyrics (doubtful ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 13:37:47 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 18:37:47 +0000 Subject: BOC Covers In-Reply-To: <3F1652F7F77@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Nov 15, 95 11:56:21 am Message-ID: > Ray Manzarek used portable keyboards like Farfisas, voxes and such, > which render a thinner, cheesier (there's old time U.S. slang for ^^^^^^^^ > you!) more mysterious and disconcerting sound. Not just old and not just U.S.! I know a bloke at Cambridge (he's actually from Maidstone) who uses "cheesy" in that sense all the time. Cheers, Carl From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 13:38:30 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 18:38:30 GMT Subject: HW: Bob Calvert Project (repost) In-Reply-To: John.Cartledge's message of Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:07:56 GMT Message-ID: > Yeah, the shop in question was Oldhitz. I say was, because a few months ago it > > It was run by a guy called John Hughes. He took a great interest in, and was > frirndly with, ICU, Bob Calvert and The Maximum Effect. For a time he > would be The person involved in the Calvert project says that he is indeed in touch with John Hughes so hopefully there should be plenty of material to come out of that. > at every gig videoing and taping the shows. He also bought the rights to the > first ICU album (Pass Out) and re-released it on his own Oldhitz label with a > load of extra tracks (some featuring Calvert). Also at the time he was > putting hmmm. Didn't know that. Might be worth trying to track that one down. Thanks jill > get a copy of ICU's Maximum Effect album. I've been after this for years with > little success. Odd copies i've found have been usually unplayable. I > will pay I'll look around. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 15 14:08:47 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:08:47 -0500 Subject: HOT ERRATA OF THE NANOSECOND: ALANIS MEETS BRAIN SURGEON Message-ID: Howzis for a hot duo? The puppet guy scaring a poor helpless child in the Alanis vid, "One Hand in My Pocket" is none other than Brain Surgeon Peter Bohovesky. Talk about typecasting... --DF From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 15 15:34:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 12:34:00 PST Subject: Lurkers & Stuff Dr. Bob Message-ID: Dr. Bob a few points to your recent post Lurkers- Some of the individual responses I have recieved from lurkers after my caffine induced ramblings reflect some of the points you provided. Record Buyer - Wonderful little story and hopefully you friend was paying attention; fairly rare that you can grab the ear of somebody with the power to make changes but time will tell. Now I disagree with some of the thoughts you laid out though. In the Wash area most of the record only stores are gone or fading fast. Why? Because of stores like Best Buy and Circuit City. These stores offer a wide variety of products from home appliances to PC's; they are the first to admit that the only reason they are selling music is to increase store traffic. How do they sell their music, by basically giving it away at cost. Selling big ticket items is where they secure their margin. BB and CC typically sell their cd's and tapes at wholesale or a one dollar more. Now a strictly record only store cannot compete with that. There has to be sufficient margin on every tape, cd, or music accessory the store sells. Thats why WoTT would cost you $23.95 at Kemp Mill but only $17.99 at Best Buy. Now the record only store has a choice, find a location where CC or BB is not operating from and basically monopolize a community full of young kids eager to spend mom and dads hard earned money or close shop. The diversity of which you speak (Mature Buyers and young buyers) helps them very little. Why? Yes us older mature types may have considerable more money to spend than average teeny bopper, but at the same time we are far more discerning with what we buy. We are as likely to spend a $100 on new software, or vacumm cleaner than we are on cd's. Instead of buying cd's with our hundred we would invest it in CD's with a good return rate. A lot of us have family obligations and are responsible enough to set reasonable priorities on spending disposable income; in most cases spending large sums of money repeatedly on a music collection is probably low on most peoples list. Now a tenny bopper who doesn't have a mortgage, who dosen't buy groceries or diapers would probably blow a $100 a day on music if he had the money. That same teeny bopper if he/she were a parent and had the same obligations as our age group would act more like us and not spend the money. It is sad situation all around but I feel there is no easy solution for your buddy. Convince your company to make a large investment in older music and risk the kids not buying it, cause they don't know what it is and watching it sit on the shelves collecting dust. How do you attract the market (older people) into the store to buy this stuff without drastically incurring new marketing costs? Where is the balance in serving two types of distinctly different customers, do you court one and risk losing the other, which would you rather keep? There is an answer but at the rate small record only stores are failing no one has found it yet. Some other things I have seen within the last year, the music business as a whole has exhibited very little real growth as an industry. It is roughly the same size it was a few years ago. This is a trend that while people may switch what types of music they are buying the number of music buyers is either not growing or if it is growing folks are spending less. This again is not a good sign for the music industry. Could this trend perhaps explain why new wave is making a comeback? Why Grunge was hot and now is not? Why MTV and the record companies are trying to focus us on different variations of music (ie. the unplugged thing again) in an effort to come up with something unique so that the market will expand again? Does this explain why I'm sitting in my car listening to the main rock station run down its list of top requested songs and 3 out of 4 are covers of songs made in the 60'-70's (Signs, As My Guitar Weeps and Mrs. Robinson?) Well maybe I've opened up a can of worms but to be completely honest while I enjoyed your story and held breif hope that things could change the reality for me at least is that by the fact you had to have the conversation with your buddy illustrates what dire shape the music industry is really in. Sorry. to be so down. Political correctness- An A+, but then again you know I recently enrolled in the Dr. Bob school to study moonargraphy. (Wish I could make a reasonable smiley face) Ciao AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 15 16:02:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:02:00 PST Subject: Brief Thanks Message-ID: To those who responded thanks. Lets see if I got this striaght - Man O War - LOUD heavy metal with a sci- fi bent, Label also talks explicit lyrics. Some good musicians with good bloodlines. Marillion - Prog Rock with mixed opinions as to whether they were a better band with the singer called Fish or as good as the original lineup with Fish's replacement. Music ranges from Exccellent to disappointing depending on who sang. Think I got it. Thanks all From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Nov 15 14:29:58 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:29:58 -0500 Subject: Karn Evil Message-ID: > From: "Carl E. Anderson" > > > > And "Sleep of a Thousand Tears" is a better song than "Feel > > >the Thunder". > > > > Confused. Is Feel The Thunder, Sleep of A 1,000 Years redone or is Sleep a > > separate song not included on the album? > > "Feel the Thunder" in its earliest incarnation had Moorcock > lyrics. BOC ditched them for different lyrics, and Moorcock took the > lyrics off to Hawkwind, whereupon Hawkwind recorded "Sleep of 1000 Years" > with their own music. > Which is more or less to say that Hawkwind wrote a better tune > than the Oyster Boys on this one, or perhaps that "Feel the Thunder" > wouldn't be so hideous if they'd used the Moorcock lyrics (doubtful ;) I think _Feel the Thunder_ has great music, and it's only because of those screamingly awful lyrics that the song seems like such a botch. The tune tears, but it's hard to avoid the "Horsemen Arrive" effect of the lyrics. ;-) Steve From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 12:47:36 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:47:36 GMT Subject: Calling Bill Stewart Message-ID: Bill, mail doesn't seem to be getting to you. I need your snailmail address so (obMoralBlackmail) that I can take all the tshirts to the Post Office at once... FoFP From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Wed Nov 15 14:36:47 1995 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:36:47 -0600 Subject: OFF:Marillion In-Reply-To: <9511151609.AA18232@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> Message-ID: I must agree with Allan Grohe that Brave is an amazing improvement over Holidays In Eden, though I listened to Afraid of Sunlight once and nearly puked. That's one good thing about BudgetBuster Music (read: Blockbuster): If you listen to something that you think sucks, you DON'T have to buy it! :) Damon Capehart | UTD Student Govt. Assoc., Communications Committee; dcapehar at utdallas.edu | Society of Physics Students From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 13:34:16 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 18:34:16 GMT Subject: Marillion In-Reply-To: Craig Shipley's message of Wed, 15 Nov 1995 11:09:19 -0500 Message-ID: > > > > Off Topic stuff - Is anybody out there familiar with the bands Man-O-War and > > Marrillion? Just curious. Browsing thru Best Buy wishing I had some money > Ahhh, Marillion, the band that got me back into prog in a big way! This > is the prototype of all of the Neo-progressive bands. In many ways they > remind folks of Genesis (circa Selling England By The Pound), others > don't hear the resemblence (I do). David will argue with me, but I think They, to me, sounded very close to Genesis only harsher with a much more powerful social comment. Reminds me of the glorious days of "Edinburgh Rock", one of the all-time best evening rockmusic radio shows I ever heard, before the presenter vanished abruptly from the scene due to a prolonged "illness". Not sure if he was sacked or pushed but it was the only show I ever felt compelled to write to - wierd satirical letters under the name of Jon Swift..... Some of them he read out too! Anyhow he was one of the first supporters of Marillion while they were still a struggling gig band playing in the student Uni clubs and before they got signed to a record label. He'd play all their tapes and anything else they sent in - it was fascinating to listen to them develop. Then they did a wonderful New Year's Eve concert at the Playhouse a year or two later with Fish acting the part of a Heroin addict during one song - far more impressively, I must confess, than the dancers at the recent Hawkwind show. Memories..... jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Wed Nov 15 14:48:44 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:48:44 EST Subject: Early Treats Message-ID: Well, there must have been quite a few posts today, because the server sent a batch of posts early. Just a few notes from the good doctor: Harvesting--A term that's been used in the medical community in for many years. Simply refers to collecting organs from donors after they die. Its taught in most medical schools in the U.S. In my state, if you register as an organ donor, they put a sticker on your driver's license. Personally, I'll donate blood, but the donor thing is a bit too much for me. (The doctor knows these things). Marillion--I actually bought Misplaced Childhood. Thought it was OK but not earth-shattering. Always perceived them as a one shot wonder, so I'm glad to see some other opinions. Suitcase Blues--Its probably been covered already, but its the last song on side two of "Just a Game" by Triumph. --Dr. Bob rkohl at state.de.us From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 15 17:42:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:42:00 PST Subject: More Directory Stuff Message-ID: Some Directory Notes - Martin sending you verification that your data was absorbed by the directory today. One thing though you did not include a primary band (which band brought you to the list) I am assuming Hawkwind, please correct me if this is not true. Received a few more responses today all, HW primary. Now assuming Martin is also Hawkwind the numbers read as follows: 41 BOC Primary 51 Hawkwind Primary 1 Invaluable Celeberty Resource (That's Al) for a directory total of __ 93 people, lurkers, gnomes, doctors, celeberties, FAQ editors, Assasin Soniques (?) Witches, Warlocks, Prog lovers, mouthy wierdo's (thats me), ambient music lovers, & Torgo's . Haven't run any age numbers yet (may have to do it by hand) but the youngest list member appears to be 16 with the oldest 48. What say we leave the phone lines open to close of business monday 20th. This will allow weekend posts to be included. By closde of business monday I will forward it to Charlie Grant to make it e-mail friendly for everyone to enjoy. Wait this late breaking news bullettin just in, there are surely no Sherlock Holmes' on this list as no one including myself till now has noticed a glaring ommission from the directory (No not Steve Swann) Where is ROBODUDES info? Robo you out there somewhere? Did you abandon us in favor of AOL? Speak to me guy where are you? From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Wed Nov 15 16:25:54 1995 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:25:54 -0500 Subject: Omnia Opera Message-ID: Atempting to catch up woth some old BOC-L stuff... > Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 19:42:51 +0100 > From: "C.E. Anderson" > > I'd like to sell or trade my Omnia Opera CD (trade especially > for non-yookay deals). I really like the music--jamming and HWish, but > to vocals are driving me insane I TOLD YOU!!!! Blame Steve Swann for buying my copy before you could hear it. Or just blame Steve Swann for the fun of it. Heck, it's been way too long since I've blamed him for anything. Good for the soul. David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) A cold winter's night, quiet and black. There's no-one but us, And the whole world stands back while we lose ourselves in stories we tell. Suddenly everything changes, as we open doors into a different world. Everything that I knew seems to become untrue, and the sky changes colours >>From grey into blue. "Under Skies of Blue" - EVERON From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 15 16:36:27 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:36:27 -0500 Subject: BOC covers Message-ID: BOC has recently covered the Beatles' "Slow Down" - they performed it in California a year ago. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 15 16:41:56 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:41:56 -0500 Subject: BOC Covers Message-ID: Rocker22 believes BOC has covered "Pipeline" Yep, I was at a concert where they did it (well, part of it - they were jamming to it as filler waiting for the radio broadcast folks to be ready). 'twas my first BOC show - September '82 in Worcester Mass. John From martinp at INFORAMP.NET Wed Nov 15 17:14:41 1995 From: martinp at INFORAMP.NET (MartinPopoff) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:14:41 -0500 Subject: AB: More Directory Stuff Message-ID: >Adrian, Martin here . . . if it really matters, I was an overwhelming brought to the list by BOC kinda guy. Also, count me as one of those who would like a nice email version of the list, just a point, shoot and print list? Also count me as one who would think it cool to see hometown, location as part of the record, hell, maybe even top five bands or sumthin'! Martin Martin Popoff: martinp at inforamp.net Power Chord Press (Riff Kills Man!) P.O. Box 65208, 358 Danforth Ave. Toronto, Ontario M4K 3Z2 From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Nov 15 17:41:58 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:41:58 -0500 Subject: BOC: Harvesters Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-15 13:13:47 EST, you write: >>He twice more talks about "harvesting". The (British) interviewer >>actually questions him over this terminology, and he chuckles and says, >>"it's their word, not mine". > >Indeed there appear to be Fartknocker fans in the courtroom. If you look >closely at the Simpson trial Shapiro was leaning over and whispering the >lyrics of Don't Fear the Reaper into OJ's ears. > >AB > > I think he may have been whispering "kill them all, if you wish!" ROBO From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Nov 15 17:50:45 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:50:45 -0500 Subject: HWCOVER2.ZIP is now available Message-ID: There is another sample HW Covers tape insert available for downloading from csgrad.cs.vt.edu in dir /pub/boc-l (same place as the other sample). This file is called HWCOVER2.ZIP, and is about the same size as the first sample. Once again, this is a PostScript print job -- send it directly (only) to a PS printer. For those without access to a PostScript printer, I can also make available just the graphics that are being used on the insert, in a GIF, TIF, or JPG format. There are 5 total: 2 that say Hawkwind, 1 small bird in a black circle, 1 takeoff on Space Ritual, and the centerpiece two-headed hawk sitting on the Earth. This last one is left over from last year's T-shirt designs. The 2nd insert is quite similar to the first one, except the graphics and the tracklist have been shuffled around a little, and I used a different font for the tracklist. I tried to follow the recommendations from Hawkjoe as my guidelines. I also re-worded the BOC-L disclaimer, but I'm still not happy with that part. I *expect* that we will settle on a single format for all three tapes, with only the tracklisting and a "title" distinguishing each. Each tape insert will be printed on a different color paper also. The final insert can look like either of the two samples, or some combination of the two, or even something completely different (god I hope not!). Of course, none of this is finalized yet. If you have an opinion, feel free to express it. All comments public&private are accepted. Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 18:05:33 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 23:05:33 +0000 Subject: Omnia Opera In-Reply-To: <9511152125.AA08606@pharlap.ci.com> from "David B. Kuznick" at Nov 15, 95 04:25:54 pm Message-ID: >> I'd like to sell or trade my Omnia Opera CD (trade especially >> for non-yookay deals). I really like the music--jamming and HWish, but >> to vocals are driving me insane > > I TOLD YOU!!!! > Blame Steve Swann for buying my copy before you could hear it. Actually, since no one else made an offer for it, I figured I might as well keep listening to it (I've a limited store of music over here!) and it's grown on me a bit. The vocals are still crap (far worse than anything Ron Tree has done ;) but once I've come to accept that it's not too bad ... > Or just blame Steve Swann for the fun of it. Heck, it's been way too > long since I've blamed him for anything. Good for the soul. True enough. I blame Steve Swann :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 15 18:10:59 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 23:10:59 +0000 Subject: BOC: Harvesters In-Reply-To: <951115174109_23527618@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "Rob Maerz" at Nov 15, 95 05:41:58 pm Message-ID: >> If you look >> closely at the Simpson trial Shapiro was leaning over and whispering the >> lyrics of Don't Fear the Reaper into OJ's ears. > > I think he may have been whispering > "kill them all, if you wish!" But (all things considered) probably not, 'You can drive my motorcar.' ;) Cheers, Carl From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Nov 15 18:39:43 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:39:43 -0700 Subject: Kerrang! In-Reply-To: <9511150052.AA29318@worldlink.com> Message-ID: Brain Surgeons; Blue Oyster Cult; Eponymous, 1994 Career of Evil, 1990 (Greatest Hits) Trepanation, 1995 Live'76, 1991 (Greatest Hits) Career of Christmas, 1995 Bad Channels, 1992 (2 new tracks) -------------------------- Cult Classic, 1994 (Greatest Hits) 3 efforts of new material Workshop of the Telescopes, 1995 (Greatest Hits) in 2 years. ----------------------------------------------- 2 new song released since Imaginos, Al, you have defenitely been busy with bringing new and excellent music to the fans. The above record speaks for itself. BOC, however, have NOT produced new material available to the fans with the exception of the 2 tracks on Bad Channels. I don't know if you have heard some of the new stuff BOC have been doing in concert in the past few years, but it is VERY GOOD music. The only problem is that one can't find it available thru any new releases because, well, BOC do not have a contract. It's a shame, because songs such as Still Burning, Harvest Moon, and I'd Like To See You In Black are very powerful and can stand up to alot of the rubbish being played on radio today. Later......Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Nov 15 18:42:34 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:42:34 -0700 Subject: Kerrang! In-Reply-To: <9511151253.AA08902@phinet.sb.com> Message-ID: Charlie; So basically, the last true BOC album was Revolution By Night? That's the way I see it, anyways. Damn, that was released waaay back in 1983!!!!!! Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Nov 15 19:10:33 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:10:33 -0500 Subject: More Directory Stuff Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-15 15:55:37 EST, you write: > Where is ROBODUDES >info? Robo you out there somewhere? Did you abandon us in favor of AOL? > Speak to me guy where are you? > > I'm here...usually lurking... ROBO 25 BOC nstk33a at prodigy.com From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Wed Nov 15 19:42:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:42:00 -0500 Subject: Omnia Opera Message-ID: Don't write Omnia Opera off because of the female vocals on the CD. they have a lot of excellent music on their cassette releases and I think the new CD will be quite good. The track on the Pick and Mix delerium comp was great!!!! Scott P.S. Anyone heard of Green Egg?? Delerium descibes them as "a rough hawkwind space rock sound" ObCassette: Ozrics- Bradwell on the Sea 1985 From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Wed Nov 15 19:49:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:49:00 -0500 Subject: New Codex addition Message-ID: Dr. Brown (who have broken up) have a final release called Dreamscape which has Huw lloyd Langton on guitar.. Anyonehave this? Scott ObCassette: Magic Mushroom band- BBC 11/24/94 From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Wed Nov 15 22:56:27 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 22:56:27 -0500 Subject: BOC covers Message-ID: Covers: > they did a cover of the Stones' "It's Not Easy"...I hear that in the old > days BOC did alot of covers mixed in with their originals...the Beatles, > Stones, the Brady Bunch Theme Song...Al? From the Stones we did INE with a triple drum solo. Beatles we did were Me & My Monkey, She's so Heavy, And Your Bird Can Sing, Getting Better, Taxman, Paperback Writer, Slow Down, Bad Boy (we played that for the Clive Davis audition when we signed with Columbia) There's probably more. Betty Lou Got A New Pair of Shoes, Sea Cruse, Be My Baby, Guess Who's Hand Me Down World, American Woman, Who's Substitute, Creem's I Feel Free, Badge, Door's Luv Me 2x, Soul Kitchen, etc. These are faithful renditions of whole tunes besides Don would always throw in some different reference to other tunes in his solos every night (ie. Sea Hunt Theme at the end of Subhuman). I'm sorry I've run out of gas on this thread. We were a cover band pre-BOC. We learned over 100 tunes of other artists as a band in the 5 years before we signed to Dullumbia. With our own songs, we learned over 300 tunes in the 14 years I played with them. I don't think I can remember them all tonight. Al From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Wed Nov 15 22:56:52 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 22:56:52 -0500 Subject: Kerrang! Message-ID: Carl writes: > Rock on! There are are two kinds of people in the world: > those with new material, and those who dig. Thanks for the cheers Carl. I guess it caught me by surprise that they're still putting me down. Maybe my feeling were a little hurt. I feel better now. Al From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Wed Nov 15 22:57:12 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 22:57:12 -0500 Subject: Lurkers & Stuff Message-ID: Dear Dr. > here. Political correctness is for wussies. (Notice the lack of IMO > or IMHO) Just the fact that I'm typing this makes it my opinion, and > I don't have to pull the IMHO routine. This is simply one the greatest, most awesome, spine-tingling and mind-boggeling bits a ramble I've ever laid my sore, tired, but quite beautiful eyes on, IMHO. Sorry......Lou (not Reed) made me do it. Al From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Thu Nov 16 04:20:09 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:20:09 +0000 Subject: OffTopic : Australian Doors In-Reply-To: <9511151648.AA11578@icarus.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Nov 1995 shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM wrote: > > > Does anybody have tour dates for the Aus Doors show ? I've been to see them twice, completely different sets, but excellent both times. > Neil. Only dates I can give you are those in the Midlands: Wed 15th Nov @ Rock City, Nottingham Sat 18th Nov @ Leicester University, Leics! Maxine From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Thu Nov 16 04:43:19 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:43:19 +0000 Subject: BOC Covers In-Reply-To: <3F1652F7F77@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > hate to quibble, but I'm pretty sure that isn't a hammond organ > you're hearing, unless that's a term you Brits use like we do Fender > Bass, which has come, in some circles, to mean any electric bass. > Ray Manzarek used portable keyboards like Farfisas, voxes and such, > which render a thinner, cheesier (there's old time U.S. slang for > you!) more mysterious and disconcerting sound. I think a hammond > would've been too rich sounding for the Doors material. Thinner and cheesier, Yes! Mysterious and disconcerting, positively spooky chaps! I was, as you so rightly presumed using the generic term for the type of Organ which over in the UK, at x-mas, the most talented(!) family member may be seen/heard adulterating great rock classics on - as opposed to a decent synth. Although..having said that the club band in Tunisia had a small hammond on which was achieved a very convincing version of 'Light my Fire'. You're probably right that neither the Doors nor the Aussie doors use an actual Hammond Organ it's more likely to be the infamous Stylaphone! Maxine From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Nov 16 06:28:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:28:00 GMT Subject: Karn Evil Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > > > On a sort of similar note, I got some BOC articles today and > > > Bloom reveals in one of them that "Feel The Thunder" was > > > originally entitled "Sleep Of A Thousand Tears" and was penned > > > by Moorcock, but the other band-members didn't like the > > > storyline, so Eric changed it. I guess Moorcock had better luck > > > with the song w/HW. Call me a cynic, but... Wasn't Moorcock in dispute with BOC over alleged non-payment of royalties? Isn't it more plausible that he withdrew permission for BOC to use the lyrics, because he hadn't been paid for the last lot? BTW, it always struck me as curious that by far the best lyrics on _Black Sword_, and the only ones credited to MM, were also the only ones which had nothing much to do with Elric... :) - Andy From CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK Thu Nov 16 11:04:06 1995 From: CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:04:06 EST Subject: BOC Covers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Maxine wrote: > You're probably right that neither the Doors nor the Aussie doors use an > actual Hammond Organ it's more likely to be the infamous Stylaphone! Now is this not too surreal. Picture Rolf Harris quitting *Animal Hospital* to join the Aussie Doors. A didgereedoo solo during *Light my Fire*, awesome. Better yet, out comes the wobble board *ha inga ha* (O.K. you try typing Rolfs nasal noises) *wobble wibble* (that's the board, stupid) *can ya tell what it is yet? That;s right, Riders of the Storm*...... God, sorry, been working too hard..... Nurse!!!!!! Chris From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Thu Nov 16 07:23:51 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 07:23:51 -0500 Subject: Coffee / Manowar Message-ID: >Man-O-War is a metal band that reached their peak in the height of the >Thrash-Metal movement...they're a 3 piece band that wear like (not sure how >to describe it...) Viking garb...they're not very good, IMO... > >ROBO I think there is a BOC connection here (not too tenuous). I may be talking rubbish here, maybe someone else knows. I think the lead guitarist for Man-O-War was one Ross "The Boss" Funicello, who once played lead in The Dictators _and_ Shakin' Street, both of these bands being managed by one Mr. Samuel Pearlman. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Thu Nov 16 07:33:21 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 07:33:21 -0500 Subject: Lurkers & Stuff Message-ID: Although I try, and want, to contribute to discussions and threads on this list as much as possible, I am quite often reduced to being a lurker for two reasons. One is the high volume of mail. Unfortunately the powers that be at my place of employ (which is where my e-mail comes to) expect me to occasionally do something which might contribute to the shareholders dividends and, Two, I'm such a sh*t and slow typist that, although I could easily find enough to write as say Dr. Bob or Mr. Brevard, it would take me an eon to get it on the screen. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim.dnet at sb.com From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Wed Nov 15 15:49:08 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:49:08 EST Subject: Classics Message-ID: In a well-written post, the omnicient AB concludes: >>>stuff snipped<<< Now a teeny bopper who doesn't have a mortgage, who doesn't buy groceries or a mortgage, who doesn't buy groceries or diapers would probably blow $100 a day on music if he had the money. >>>stuff snipped<<< Perhaps the good doctor ought to award an honorary Ph.D. for such wisdom. I agree with this situation. I, myself am in that situation and, indeed, alluded to that back when I started the criticism thread. But we may have to agree to disagree on the money thing. I stand by my position that even after all the bills, mortgage, diapers, etc., we family-types still, as a socioeconomic group, have more disposable income than most teenagers (unless, of course, they're like the drug dealers that I deal with for a living, in which case they make more in a week than I do in a year, but I digress). Perhaps only a wee bit more, but more nonetheless. However, I agree with you that teens would probably spend all their dough on music if they could. Can't blame them, I spent alot of my teenage paychecks on my hot rod (and a bad mamma jamma it was too-ask me about it sometime) and insurance. In summary, then, I agree with about 90% of your post. But isn't it interesting that our differences, though small, seem to be highlighted the most? Oh, one last thing. I checked out the Circuit City and Best Buy in my area and their rack selection was just as bad as the "pure" record stores. -Dr. Bob rkohl at state.de.us From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 16 08:14:25 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:14:25 EST Subject: BOC Covers Message-ID: > > Yep, I was at a concert where they did it (well, part of it - they were > jamming to it as filler waiting for the radio broadcast folks to be > ready). 'twas my first BOC show - September '82 in Worcester Mass. > > John All concerned: I think I have a tape of said Wooster show. I'll check the archives. theo From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Nov 16 08:33:20 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:33:20 +0000 Subject: Lurkers & Stuff In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 Nov 1995 07:33:21 EST." <9511161233.AA24406@phinet.sb.com> Message-ID: Charles sez - > Two, I'm such a sh*t and slow typist that, although I could > easily find enough to write as say Dr. Bob or Mr. Brevard, it ^^^^^^ > would take me an eon to get it on the screen. Never mind the width, feel the quality. ;-) Tim From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Nov 16 08:38:21 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 08:38:21 -0500 Subject: BOC covers Message-ID: Al writes: (list of BOC covers deleted) Hey, someone once told me you guys did Deep Purple's "Highway Star" in concert. Is that true? > With our own songs, we learned over 300 tunes in the 14 y ears I played with them. Funny how the current lineup only seems to remember (or have the desire to play) about 15 of those. ;) John From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Nov 16 21:46:59 1995 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:46:59 -1000 Subject: BOC: Things are looking up round here Message-ID: >In a message dated 95-11-15 02:55:27 EST, you write: > >>They had *T&M*, *ST*, *AoF*, Spectres*, *SEE*, >>*Mirrors*, *FoUO*, *RbN*, *Imaginos*, *Career of Evil*, and *WotT*. These, >>and their other titles, could always be ordered, but here they were IN >>STOCK. Displayed near the cash register, too, not just on the rack. It >>wasn't there the last time I was in. > >was this on a display kinda thingy? like a cardboard display or what? > > >ROBO It was a cardboard box type display. There were other CDs besides BOC, and they were all Nice Price and Best Buy. But it didn't say "Get Your BOC Here" or anything ;-) I also saw MC5 *Kick out the Jams* which includes (that I recognised) _Kick out the Jams_, _Ramblin' Rose_, _Motor City Burnin'_, and _Shadow of California_ (I think I've got the titles right). Can anyone tell me if this is as good as it looks? I'm very tempted. Maybe a BOC cover/influence tape project could include bands that influenced BOC as well. Pete. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 16 08:36:23 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:36:23 +0000 Subject: revenge of the old messages Message-ID: I'm suddenly getting whole bunches of messages from a week and a half ago again ... is this JANET spewing its international mail again? Carl From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Nov 16 09:35:05 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:35:05 -0500 Subject: Omnia Opera Message-ID: > From: "David B. Kuznick" > > > From: "C.E. Anderson" > > > > I'd like to sell or trade my Omnia Opera CD (trade especially > > for non-yookay deals). I really like the music--jamming and HWish, but > > to vocals are driving me insane > > I TOLD YOU!!!! > > Blame Steve Swann for buying my copy before you could hear it. > > Or just blame Steve Swann for the fun of it. Heck, it's been way too > long since I've blamed him for anything. Good for the soul. The vocals drive me crazy too. I still listen to it once in a while, though. Steve From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Nov 16 09:31:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:31:00 EST Subject: Confessions of a BOC-L semi-lurker Message-ID: Time to heal my soul a bit. I admit to a real weakness for David Lee era Van Halen. Their covers of some Kinks tunes are some of the best arguments for bands recording cover versions. Meant to say that whe that thread was being weaved, but feared chastisement. Worse, talk of 80s Big Hair Trash bands reminded me that I developed a taste for Poison after I saw them as a warm up act. The reviews of Man-of-War made my ears ring and mouth drool. I'll have to scout them out now. I semi-lurk because most of you have more depth of specific music knowledge. For the most part I, just fire it up and enjoy. I've learned a lot about HW & BOC in my short tenure and have gotten turned on to several new bands (my order for the BS stuff is enroute). The discussions of concerts I've never been to spurs my imagination but I can't really add without risking my clearance.. So, I try to contribute some lunacy to pull my weight. I do have my warped opinions (Needle Gun Rules!). I can understand why others lurk, but you need not be anonymous and abstain from the directory. It Is Written - lurking is OK It Is Written - join the directory It Is Written - You gain more than lose Rudy The Shadows may live but the Forces of Light will kick their spidery ship asses. From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Nov 16 09:41:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:41:00 GMT Subject: MC5 (was Re: BOC: Things are looking up round here) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9511160644.AA04938 at pigeon.qut.edu.au> > I also saw MC5 *Kick out the Jams* which includes (that I recognised) > _Kick > out the Jams_, _Ramblin' Rose_, _Motor City Burnin'_, and _Shadow of > California_ (I think I've got the titles right). Well, *my* copy of _KotJ_ runs as follows: Side 1 Ramblin' Rose Kick out the Jams Come Together Rocket Reducer No. 62 (Rama Lama Fa Fa Fa) Side 2 Borderline Motor City is Burning I Want You Right Now Starship > Can anyone tell me if > this > is as good as it looks? I'm very tempted. Essential, not to be missed, your collection's not complete without it... - Andy From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 16 09:48:31 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:48:31 -0500 Subject: Lurkers & Stuff Message-ID: Speaking of getting records on the shelves, the way it looks now, Trepanation will be in stores January 26 (but definitely not at the great Xmas mail order price!). So get that Wall guy on the case now! Will post more info (like the essential catalog number, etc) as it is available. --DF From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Nov 16 10:23:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:23:00 EST Subject: Calling Endre Message-ID: I've got Ukrainian roots and would be most willing to help my Eastern European brethren join the church of Hawkwind. Let me know your liturgical needs. (Sorry, the government shut down cut me off from mail even though I had to come in. Now the relief of 100+ BOC-L posts makes me giddy.) Chars, Rudy From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 16 08:40:18 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:40:18 +0000 Subject: Omnia Opera In-Reply-To: <01HXON688DVAYOU9Q1@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> from "Scott Heller" at Nov 15, 95 07:42:00 pm Message-ID: > Don't write Omnia Opera off because of the female vocals on the CD. > they have a lot of excellent music on their cassette releases and I > think the new CD will be quite good. The track on the Pick and Mix > delerium comp was great!!!! Actually, it's the _male_ vocals that are the crap ones on the Omina Opera CD--the female vocals I thought were OK. But like I say the whole thing is growing on me ... and the music is _wicked_! :) Cheers, Carl From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Thu Nov 16 10:49:04 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:49:04 EST Subject: MC5 (was Re: BOC: Things are looking up round here) Message-ID: Many a time I've caught myself singing "Ramma Lamma Fa Fa Fa" in my head during my Ethics class. I guess I just don't subscribe to the Natural Law theory that all rock 'n' roll is inherently evil. Also, the release of _Trepanation_ in stores occurs on my 21st birthday! "Ramblin' Rose" should make good background music for the celebration- Brian From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Thu Nov 16 10:57:12 1995 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:57:12 -0500 Subject: Calling Mike Holmes Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-15 14:47:53 EST, you write: >mail doesn't seem to be getting to you. I need your snailmail address so >(obMoralBlackmail) that I can take all the tshirts to the Post Office at >once... > >FoFP Bill Stewart 106 Kraft Av Bronxville, NY 10708 thanxs From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 16 11:04:55 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:04:55 EST Subject: MC5 (was Re: BOC: Things are looking up round here) Message-ID: > Many a time I've caught myself singing "Ramma Lamma Fa Fa Fa" in > my head during my Ethics class. I guess I just don't subscribe to the > Natural Law theory that all rock 'n' roll is inherently evil. > > Also, the release of _Trepanation_ in stores occurs on my 21st birthday! > "Ramblin' Rose" should make good background music for the celebration- > > Brian > Brian, Happy f#$@ in' birthday in advance. Just 2 weeks after mine! Burn a big one (or Two). ted From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 16 11:10:58 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:10:58 -0500 Subject: SURGEONS X-MAS GIG NEWS Message-ID: The Brain Surgeons will appear Friday, December 22 at Mamakin in Boston. Gentlefolx, start your mistletoe... --DF From kfrazier at NCSA.UIUC.EDU Thu Nov 16 10:15:56 1995 From: kfrazier at NCSA.UIUC.EDU (Keith Frazier) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 10:15:56 -0500 Subject: Omnia Opera Message-ID: >> From: "David B. Kuznick" >> >> > From: "C.E. Anderson" >> > >> > I'd like to sell or trade my Omnia Opera CD (trade especially >> > for non-yookay deals). I really like the music--jamming and HWish, but >> > to vocals are driving me insane >> >> I TOLD YOU!!!! >> >> Blame Steve Swann for buying my copy before you could hear it. >> >> Or just blame Steve Swann for the fun of it. Heck, it's been way too >> long since I've blamed him for anything. Good for the soul. > >The vocals drive me crazy too. I still listen to it once in a while, >though. I'll admit the vocals suck, but the lyrics are great. The music itself is great. I listen to mine at least a couple times a month. Not because my collection is small either. still trying to track down more of their material. Anyone have a discog for them? Keith F. kfrazier at ncsa.uiuc.edu NCSA University of IL. " From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 16 11:28:52 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:28:52 -0500 Subject: Karn Evil Message-ID: No, Moorcock was one of few BOC collaborators who was paid. What happened was that Eric took Moorcock's lyrics without making appropriate arrangements regarding the publishing, rights to which were owned by the huge company (name escapes me, Albert can fill in the details) that does Moorcock's books, etc, which then sued the band, all of whom had to pay a huge settlement, a very high price (and more than what the actual songwriter royalty would have been) for Eric's "creativity." From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Thu Nov 16 11:44:15 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:44:15 +0100 Subject: Spacious Mind Info - M.Holmes? Message-ID: I'm into a negotiation with GARAGELAND about a better 'export' price, and it do looks hopefull - I'm going to know tommorrow. So far three dudes in US have shoved some interest, Jerry - Rudy - C:n Cloud, is there any more? Mike Holmes asked earlier, still there? No CD release is planned for the double vinyl. more info to come, in a hurry right now :o) \\joe From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Thu Nov 16 11:46:55 1995 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:46:55 -0500 Subject: Omnia Opera Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 19:42:00 -0500 > From: "Scott Heller (617) 724-7762" > Subject: Re: Omnia Opera > Don't write Omnia Opera off because of the female vocals on the CD. I'm not. I'm writing them off because of the "We're so drunk. Isn't that c00l? Huh-huh... huh-huh" "We are the OMNIA OPERAAAAAAAAA" lyric stupidity. They also sometimes lapse into some mindless heavy-riffing that gets tiresome, but it's the lesser of the evils. > they have a lot of excellent music on their cassette releases and I > think the new CD will be quite good. The track on the Pick and Mix > delerium comp was great!!!! If they'd lose the vocals they'd be pretty damn decent. David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) A cold winter's night, quiet and black. There's no-one but us, And the whole world stands back while we lose ourselves in stories we tell. Suddenly everything changes, as we open doors into a different world. Everything that I knew seems to become untrue, and the sky changes colours >>From grey into blue. "Under Skies of Blue" - EVERON From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Thu Nov 16 11:33:17 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:33:17 -0500 Subject: Kerrang! Message-ID: >Charlie; >So basically, the last true BOC album was Revolution By Night? That's the way I see it. There is only one track (Eyes on Fire) written with no input from the band, (by G. Winter -anyone any info on G. Winter?). So it can be seen as a true BOC album. CN on the other hand is only half a BOC album, the BOC half being the good part of the album. The other stuff lacks that BOC atmosphere. That indefinable quantity that sets their stuff apart. Interesting to note, in a Pearlman interview from around the time of the Imaginos release he said that CN was the worst album he had been involved in. I think he was brought in to salvage the project. >That's the way I see it, anyways. Damn, that was released waaay >back in 1983!!!!!! >Manuel in NM As has been said before, if they released an album with the stuff like See You In Black and Harvest Moon, with all tracks written by the band and their "extended family", it would be great. Then we could easily have the first true BOC album since 1983. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Nov 16 11:53:55 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 11:53:55 -0500 Subject: SURGEONS X-MAS GIG NEWS Message-ID: >The Brain Surgeons will appear Friday, December 22 at Mamakin in Boston EXCELLENT! Now, I just gotta make sure I'm back in time (I'm suppossed to be in Colorado on business on the 21st, but my plans are to fly back that night). So, will this be sort of a Trepanation release party? BTW, I didn't catch if you mentioned what label will be carrying it, or is that a surprise for now? John PS: Santa, I need a Black and Decker drill for Christmas . . . From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 16 13:54:39 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 18:54:39 +0000 Subject: SURGEONS X-MAS GIG NEWS In-Reply-To: <951116111025_108042756@mail02.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Nov 16, 95 11:10:58 am Message-ID: > The Brain Surgeons will appear Friday, December 22 at Mamakin in Boston. > Gentlefolx, start your mistletoe... Ah, to be in Boston once again .... ! Cheers, Carl From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Nov 16 14:02:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:02:00 EST Subject: OFF: MC5 Message-ID: Pete, MC5's _Kick Out the Jams_ will do that for you. I bought this when it came out and they were my 1st live act seen. Freddy Sonic Smith will singe your tympanic membranes (Dr. Bob's influence). I wouldn't mind a CD version of this myself. Hope it is the uncensored cut of the title tune. If you bought it and hated it, I'd take it off your hands in a heartbeat. Rudy From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Nov 16 14:11:23 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:11:23 -0500 Subject: BOC: Things are looking up round here Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-16 10:25:47 EST, you write: >It was a cardboard box type display. There were other CDs besides BOC, and >they were all Nice Price and Best Buy. But it didn't say "Get Your BOC Here" >or anything ;-) > >I also saw MC5 *Kick out the Jams* which includes (that I recognised) _Kick >out the Jams_, _Ramblin' Rose_, _Motor City Burnin'_, and _Shadow of >California_ (I think I've got the titles right). Can anyone tell me if this >is as good as it looks? I'm very tempted. Maybe a BOC cover/influence tape >project could include bands that influenced BOC as well. > >Pete. ahhh... you see where I was gettin' at then?! : } I guess that MC5 CD is a Best Of eh? I'd sure like to get that one... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Nov 16 14:11:25 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:11:25 -0500 Subject: BOC: stuff.... Message-ID: well, today sure is a nice day...sunny outside, got paid today and some news to pass along to ya folks * tonight I will be seeing BOC for the 6th time this year at the Silo in Reading...have a massive list of directions to get there so I hope I make it to see the show and get some pics that I can get scanned and posted to the Underbelly (http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html) * also, earlier tonight, BOC will be doing a radio interview on WRFY in Reading...I hope they show up this time and I am prepared to tape it... * finally, I got a card in the mail from whom I believe is from Buck Dharma... it reads as follows "BUCK DHARMA T-SHIRT Buck Dharma has authorized and created a new T - Shirt commemorating the FLAT OUT album. The graphic is a color rendition of the wheel, hubcap and tire from the back cover of the Flat Out album with BUCK DHARMA and FLAT OUT in righteous, prominent lettering on a high quality black shirt." ok ok...if you want to receive this mailing, you have to EMail DharmaT at aol.com... it says "only available thru this mail offering" so I guess you gotta get on the mail list or something...this is unclear to me at this point... Buck is working on getting a video-still of the T-Shirt that he can import to his Mac, and made into gif or jpeg format that I can post to the Underbelly...so if you want to view the shirt, you can see it there when it is posted (but then again, I've been waiting for the artwork that Eric said he'd send me for the AOL T and the new Tour shirt....so, I'm not making any promises) also, the mailing claims "more stuff including new and archive unreleased Buck Dharma audio recordings coming soon!" I hope I have been the bearer of great news! : } ROBO From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Nov 16 17:10:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:10:00 PST Subject: Looking for Help from AOL Message-ID: This is completely off topic but I know there are some list members who will get a kick out of this. Need some help from members who are part of AOL. Here's the deal: Marvel and DC comics have set up a four issue miniseries where some of there greatest heros will go toe to toe. AOL supposedly has a set up where fans can register there votes as to who should win each battle. Would like to get my votes in if an AOL'er would be kind enough to register them for me. 1. Captain America vs. Batman - Cap has his shield and is stronger becuase of the super soldier serum (steroids?) but I go with Batman, master of combat, and a decidely cooler character. Vote: Batman in a romp. 2. Spider Man vs. Superboy - Spidey has been a round for a while but is still a young man. Can't match Superboys power but you can't send a boy to do a mans job. Vote: Spidey in a real tough close contest. 3. Thor vs. Captain Marvel: Why the hell did they match someone as powerful and classy as Thor against a guy that should have never made it out of the 50's is beyond me. Vote: Thor in a walkover. 4. Wonder Woman vs. Storm - A real Amzon vs. a woman with a body that defines amazon. Wonder Woman is powerful but when Storm cuts loose even Thor would duck. Vote: Storm, it will be close. 5.Wolverine vs. Lobo - Anybody who knows comics and these two characters would realize that this is better than Tyson vs. Bowe. To supreme whacko's going at it in a take no priosoner match. Love Wolvie but damn that Lobo is ....Vote: Lobo in an upset. 6. Superman vs. the Hulk. - The main event. Tough call though. Superman reprsents the american spirit even more so than Cap. America. All of those cool alien powers don't hurt either. The Hulk now has the smarts of his scientist alter ego; he was just about unbeatable when he couln't outhink a first grader, with smarts well... Telling Statistics Supes is 6'3" and 225lbs. hulk weighs in at 6'6" and weights 1, 150 lbs. Supes is tough and determined but after seeing Doomsday whip him so badly I gotta go with the Hulk. The madder he gets the stronger he gets the stronger he gets: Vote Hulk in the best battle of all. Would appreciate an AOL'er registering this for me. Now back to our regular programming.... Robo you have been entered, Martin you have been corrected. Ted you have also been entered. New count wiht the correction of Martins stats BOC - 44 HW -50 Celebs - 1 AB From jguizar at EPIX.NET Thu Nov 16 15:16:47 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:16:47 EST Subject: Spacious Mind Info - M.Holmes? Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:44:15 +0100 joe wrote: >I'm into a negotiation with GARAGELAND about a better 'export' price, and it do looks hopefull - I'm going to know tommorrow. > >So far three dudes in US have shoved some interest, Jerry - Rudy - C:n Cloud, is _______ We did WHAT? :) Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From jguizar at EPIX.NET Wed Nov 15 20:01:27 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 20:01:27 EST Subject: OFF: US release of Planet Dog stuff Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:54:21 -0500 you wrote: > After months/years of waiting, much of the catalog from the UK > label Planet Dog is being released in the US. In the last month, I > have picked up 3 Eat Static releases (Abduction, Intrusion, and > Epsylon/Lost in Time), as well as both of the "Feed Your Head" > compilations. I bought all of these at Best Buy for $9.99 each!!!! > > I also found the domestic release of System 7 (777) "Fire + Water" > for $14.99, same place same time. A great month for techno! I payed $15.50 (EAR/Rational). I like the water CD a little better than Fire. > (now if only my Alien 4 would arrive, I could get back on topic) > > Captain Cloud Is Alien 4 a full-length CD or just an EP with 4 or 5 songs on it? Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Nov 16 15:25:00 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:25:00 -0500 Subject: Looking for Help from AOL Message-ID: On behalf of the still-mostly-sane members of BOC-L, I'd like to *politely To: BOC-L at LISTSERV.SPC.EDU Subject: Re: Looking for Help from AOL > From: "BREVARD Adrian R." > > This is completely off topic but I know there are some list members who will > get a kick out of this. > Need some help from members who are part of AOL. > [ etc] Adrian, You're my hero. Tell me again, what planet are you from? Your biggest fan, Steve From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Nov 16 15:52:45 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:52:45 -0500 Subject: More Directory Stuff Message-ID: > also Hawkwind the numbers read as follows: > > 41 BOC Primary > 51 Hawkwind Primary > 1 Invaluable Celeberty Resource (That's Al) for a directory total of > __ > 93 people, lurkers, gnomes, doctors, celeberties, FAQ editors, Assasin > Soniques (?) Witches, Warlocks, Prog lovers, mouthy wierdo's (thats me), > ambient music lovers, & Torgo's . Assassin Sonique's are generally mild-mannered Research and Development Managers in the Electronic Liesure (Laser Game) industry! -- Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Nov 16 15:52:55 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:52:55 -0500 Subject: Coffee Warning - One thought at a time today Message-ID: > looks like heavy metal types with SCI-FI/SWORD SORCERY theme. Marillion are > they a space rock band? Can someone send me an E and clue in the clueless. I know I'm late, but I'm sorta on the 'better with Fish' side of the fence. I have one post-fish Marillion CD, and one post-Marillion Fish CD/EP. They both suck (in comparison) - perhaps they need each other? ObMarillionTrack: Margaret from "The Great Cucumber Massacre" EP ObQuote: "now you can tell your granchildren - 'that's me on the Marillion album going UGH'" -- Thought for the day: Anatomy (n): something everyone has, but which looks better on a girl. -- Bruce Raeburn. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Nov 16 15:53:18 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:53:18 -0500 Subject: Early Treats Message-ID: > Marillion--I actually bought Misplaced Childhood. Thought it was OK but not > earth-shattering. Always perceived them as a one shot wonder, so I'm glad to > see some other opinions. Problem is, you bought their shot at trying to be (more?) mainstream. Try their Live 'Real to Reel' or 'Fugazi' -- Thought for the day: Intuition (n): an uncanny sixth sense which tells people that they are right, whether they are or not. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Nov 16 15:53:43 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:53:43 -0500 Subject: Directory - Modified Message-ID: > themselves as lurkers. Perhaps someday someone can explain to me the > advantages of lurking on a list like this, I just don't get it. Do Perhaps the volume is just too high for them? I know that I quite often don't contribute to a thread because A) It takes my so long to read ALL the mail, and I'm basically lazy B) Someone else usually has responded in the same manner as I'd like to, and I'd hate to add a 'me too' to every mail I read! Sure, I could kill all BOC and BRAIN mail to shrink my mailbox, but I find it interesting from time to time. I've set up my mail reader to move all BOC mail to a BOC folder, BRAIN mailto a BRAIN folder, and HW mail to a HW folder, so if I'm too busy to read all my mail, I can just delete a folder Did I just inadvertantly start up the 'split the list' controversy again? Doh! Flame me not, Paul ObOrmaybe: They tried to use the listserver's filtering functions, and it screwed up (as they are wont to do from time to time), znd they now can't post ... just kidding-- Thought for the sleepless night: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From zsoldos at OGYALLA.KONKOLY.HU Thu Nov 16 15:54:19 1995 From: zsoldos at OGYALLA.KONKOLY.HU (Endre Zsoldos) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 21:54:19 +0100 Subject: Lurking Message-ID: Hi all, Thanks for all the help you offered! Cheers, Endre From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Thu Nov 16 17:10:37 1995 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:10:37 -0500 Subject: Lurkers & Stuff Message-ID: At 09:48 AM 11/16/95 -0500, you wrote: >Speaking of getting records on the shelves, the way it looks now, Trepanation >will be in stores January 26 (but definitely not at the great Xmas mail order >price!). So get that Wall guy on the case now! Will post more info (like the >essential catalog number, etc) as it is available. >--DF > Are you still accepting mail orders ? Shawn From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Nov 16 17:56:46 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 17:56:46 -0500 Subject: Coffee / Manowar Message-ID: ROBODUDE dixit: > > >Man-O-War is a metal band that reached their peak in the height of the > >Thrash-Metal movement...they're a 3 piece band that wear like (not sure how > >to describe it...) Viking garb...they're not very good, IMO... Well, it depends on what you mean by good. Their first 4 albums are excellent thrash metal, with a fantasy and heroic epic bent. It's a little cheesy with all that he-man "real rockers vs. posers" stance they took, but their hearts (if not their heads) :-) were in the right place. And what really matters: the music is killer. It's like a combination of *really old* (like, early 70's) Scorpions, and Metallica, with scorching guitar work, inspired riffs, and heavily atmospheric songs. And the lyrics are really better than a bunch of dunderheads like them should have been able to manage. Notice that I'm carefully avoiding saying that they're good. ;-) Of course, after _Hail to England_ (their masterpiece, IMO), they started getting commercial, and the whole thing started to actually be as tacky as it sounds. Steve From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 16 22:28:54 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 22:28:54 -0500 Subject: Lurkers & Stuff Message-ID: Yes, we are accepting mail orders... but if you want to get the incredible Xmas deal price, get 'em in now... should add the qauntity (particularly of Career of Christmas) is limited, so first come, first served... also, e-mail your snail mail address (not necessary to post to the list in other words) to insure you will be on the mailing list for future offers and news, etc. --DF From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Nov 17 00:03:50 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 06:03:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Nova Drive boot Message-ID: rumour says the Nova Drive boot was pressed in 33 ex. if someone knows better, please correct me. \\joe From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Fri Nov 17 23:34:44 1995 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 18:34:44 -1000 Subject: MC5 (was Re: BOC: Things are looking up round here) Message-ID: Hmmm, I could've sworn there was a title with "California" in it. I'll have to check it again - when I buy it. Although, I do remember now that I also gave *RbN* a close inspection. That must be what I'm thinking of. >In-Reply-To: <9511160644.AA04938 at pigeon.qut.edu.au> > >> I also saw MC5 *Kick out the Jams* which includes (that I recognised) >> _Kick >> out the Jams_, _Ramblin' Rose_, _Motor City Burnin'_, and _Shadow of >> California_ (I think I've got the titles right). > >Well, *my* copy of _KotJ_ runs as follows: > >Side 1 >Ramblin' Rose >Kick out the Jams >Come Together >Rocket Reducer No. 62 (Rama Lama Fa Fa Fa) > >Side 2 >Borderline >Motor City is Burning >I Want You Right Now >Starship > ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Nov 17 04:34:32 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:34:32 +0000 Subject: Looking for Help from AOL In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:10:00 PST." <30ABA98A@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: > This is completely off topic but I know there are some list members who will > get a kick out of this. > Need some help from members who are part of AOL. < stuff deleted > ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................ From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Nov 17 07:55:18 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 13:55:18 +0100 Subject: just testing: silence Message-ID: hi, mr BOC-l I'm just wondering why you're so silent? No messages in 7? hours - and Friday afternoon... \\joe From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 17 08:47:27 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 13:47:27 +0000 Subject: HW: World War In-Reply-To: <9511071943.AA23609@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> from "Craig Shipley" at Nov 7, 95 02:43:48 pm Message-ID: > > ObBook: Harry Turtledove's "World War". > > Written by a historian, this is seriously good stuff. Harry Turtledove, in general, rules! Most of his books seem unavailable in the UK, but the second of the _World War_ series is already out in paperback in the UK (whereas not in the US, at least as of two months ago ... Cheers, Carl ObComment: Well, _that_ was off topic! From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Fri Nov 17 08:57:35 1995 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 13:57:35 +0000 Subject: Directory Message-ID: I cant seem to mail AB privately so I'm sticking this stuff on the list (sorry all disinterested parties) Name = Chris Shortall Handle = Imaginos Age = 19 Primary = BOC e-mail = cis4 at aber.ac.uk Cheers From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Nov 16 19:55:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:55:00 PST Subject: Couple of thoughts to go please Message-ID: Directory - Just a reminder that we are planning on tying up the directory changes by Close of Business Monday 11/20. For any lurkers, vacationeerrs or slaves to e-mail systems that have failed please send your info in before Monday evening 4 pm est. I will be making final updates/corrections before sending the directory to Charlie to convert to an e-mail friendly attachment. Be nice if we could get an even 100. Comics/AOL - Some may have seen my begging post to vote in the Marvel/DC comics all star bash. Please some kind AOL'er register my votes for me. Hey Ben I know you will be voting soon. Dr. Bob - (Kinda personal) Well if I remember correctly you swooned first, then my swoon was better and then Torgo topped us both. Will have to consult with Torgo to see if the latest celeberty encounter gives you some extra degrees of swooning. Don't think its enough to over take ours, mine was physical and Torgo's more numerous. BOC Covers - Seen some posts on this but a few of us are planning a bit of suprise off line for BOC fans on the list. Will say this though, it won't be BOC doing other peoples songs, more like other people doing BOC songs and perhaps some BOC wannabes. Wait and see. Once Trep hits a big distributor perhaps within a few months we will be able to do a BS cover tape project, you never know. Kerrang - The top 50 was pretty accurate but there were some ommissions I think. The Bouchards Brothers never seem to get the recognition they deserve for the BOC sound. But Club Ninja aside I don't think RBN is nearly as bad as some people have said. Feel the Thunder works for me, lyrics and all. O.J> Simpson Contest - so far Lyrics to don't feel the Reaper, Stairways to the Stars (two) have been mentyioned. What was Shapiro whispering to OJ in the Courtroom? We all know i was some BOC lyric but which ones? BOC New Album - Harvest Moon, Still Burning and See You In Black when they appear on the next BOC album (I'm optimistic that Sony or someone will see the light) will make it the best BOC album in years. Ok so it will also be the first in years, but you guys will rush to the stores to buy it I predict. I see record BOC sales for this one, gold within 6 months. Save this for future reference. Speaking of BOC's future I also see some veterans of the rock world collaborating on the next BOC album. This collaboration will result in some great new music in the traditional BOC sound. This album will spark a return of heavy metal done the right way and all of this will happen by 1997. I also see the addition of another guitarist yet no one will leave the band. The new guy will supplement the current lineup quite nicely too (song writing and playing). Save this one too cuase you heard it hear first. A(the predictor)B From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 17 09:28:18 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 14:28:18 GMT Subject: HW: Festival poem & Palace Springs In-Reply-To: Rob S's message of Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:32:27 GMT Message-ID: Rob S writes: > > > > > No-one here has mentioned Festivals yet - I like this song. The lyrics > > >>> are basically the poem on the sleeve of Palace Springs > > > > Ahhh this poem again:-) A good friend of mine asked Chadwick about the > > significance of this poem. Chadwick pensivley replied that 'the poem is > > something from the past-that members of HW will not discuss. It was a painful > > time for the band'. > > Can anyone shed any light on this topic. > > > > My guess is that it is something to do with the band's bus > getting trashed by a vicious group of travellers called the > "Brew Crew" at a free-festival near Brighton in the eighties. > I gather this is why they haven't played many free-festivals > since, but I don't know exact details of what happened that > day. The way I heard it the travellers shook up cans of special brew and sprayed it over Brock because someone had announced that it was his birthday. Apparently this is a traveller tradition. Brock went spaz. After that they turned up at other gigs and caused trouble. > bye - Rob FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 17 09:22:19 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 14:22:19 GMT Subject: calling Dave Cohen Message-ID: Dave, Any luck finding the Griffin ASAM package yet? Cheers FoFP From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Nov 17 13:50:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 10:50:00 PST Subject: is something broke? Message-ID: I've seen a few posts lately where people have questioned if there was something wrong with the service. I'm questioning it now as I have had only three messages in the last 24 hours. BOC-L has never been this quiet. Just for yucks - In the local library I consulted an encyclopedia of music. Of course BOC was in there and given credit for kicking off the heavy metal movement in America. There was a definition of Heavy Metal in the book that caused me to laugh out loud. The definition attributed the term to the bands Black Sabbath (UK) and BOC(US). Said that fans of these bands are known as "Headbangers" for the way they react to the music. They prefer live over studio, have long hair and wear jackets covered with the symbols of their favorite bands. They are generally working class stiffs (blue collar) who behave themselves reasonably well at concerts. Headbangers are predominatley male because a screaming guitar represented some type of Phallic association with the music. A subgroup of heavy metal was second rate bands who could only master three chords and added punk tones to their music. One of the biggest proponents oof the second tier rockers was Motorhead. This made me laugh out loud in a public library. The book also covered the history of Motorhead, how Lemmy was kicked out of Hawkwind after he was areested foor drugs (Smuggling?) during a Canadian tour. Oddly the book contained references to Hawkwind in two places (Motorhead) and some other individual, but did not have a Biography for Motorhead. BOC is referenced in at least 8 different biographies, most notably Alans asscociation with Patti Smith. All the information contained in the version I saw was pretty dated as they listed BOC's last album as RBN. Penguin I beleive published this thing. If you can find it, it makes for some pretty humorous reading. Regards AB From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Nov 17 11:01:46 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:01:46 -0500 Subject: Looking for Help from AOL Message-ID: >> This is completely off topic but I know there are some list members who will >> get a kick out of this. >> Need some help from members who are part of AOL. > >< stuff deleted > > > > >ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................ Now if you drank as much coffee as AB, this wouldn't happen :-) M From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Nov 17 14:31:36 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 14:31:36 -0500 Subject: Couple of thoughts to go please Message-ID: I think there's more than caffeine in AB's coffee this morning . . . From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Fri Nov 17 15:18:37 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 15:18:37 EST Subject: BOC: "Music From Around the World" boots? Message-ID: I've seen several music stores and nomadic CD vendors selling bootlegs by "Music From Around the World". The most impressive one I've seen is King Crimson in Boston 1972. I also saw a Tori Amos- Australian Radio and TV one that I thought about getting for my girlfriend. Does anyone know if they've made any of BOC? One place I went to in Syracuse had everything from old Genesis to Fugazi and Faith No More. The packaging is decent too, but nowhere near professional quality. Thanks, Brian P.S. Did anyone see Crimson on the Conan O'Brien Show? I missed it, but someone told me they were amazing. They supposedly played "Dinosaur" off their new album. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 17 15:21:52 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:21:52 +0000 Subject: HW: Festival poem & Palace Springs In-Reply-To: <9511171428.aa01424@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "M Holmes" at Nov 17, 95 02:28:18 pm Message-ID: > The way I heard it the travellers shook up cans of special brew and > sprayed it over Brock because someone had announced that it was his > birthday. Apparently this is a traveller tradition. Brock went spaz. > After that they turned up at other gigs and caused trouble. Admittedly, that's a grim thing to do to the unsuspecting but in a situation like this one really has to roll with the punches. Brock is perhaps not the most willing of people to do this ... ;) Cheers, Carl From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Nov 17 15:25:43 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 15:25:43 -0500 Subject: HW: Covers project inlays viewable via WWW Message-ID: For those that might have difficulty accessing the HW covers project inlay files via anonymous ftp, for viewing and feedback, I've now created a World Wide Web page from which these images may be viewed for comment. (Basically, I've created .GIF images from the PostScript files, and these appear as inline images in web pages.) The URL to use for viewing is There are links to each cover image on that page. I don't know if this will help anyone, but since I haven't noticed much feedback (just Hawkjoe's), I thought I'd create the WWW page in case people are having problems viewing the inlays. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Allman Brothers Band, _The Fillmore Concerts_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Fri Nov 17 17:39:11 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 16:39:11 -0600 Subject: OFF:Marillion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Le Monsieur Damon wrote: > I must agree with Allan Grohe that Brave is an amazing improvement over > Holidays In Eden, though I listened to Afraid of Sunlight once and nearly > puked. That's one good thing about BudgetBuster Music (read: > Blockbuster): If you listen to something that you think sucks, you DON'T > have to buy it! :) I was rather disappointed at first, esp. how quickly Bravce had grabbed me, but AoS has grown on me, esp. side two. If you like Brave, and give AoS a few good listens, I think it'll grow on you :-) Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jguizar at EPIX.NET Fri Nov 17 18:55:29 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 18:55:29 EST Subject: Couple of thoughts to go please Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Nov 1995 16:55:00 PST AB wrote: >Directory - Just a reminder that we are planning on tying up the directory >changes by Close of Business Monday 11/20. For any lurkers, vacationeerrs >or slaves to e-mail systems that have failed please send your info in before >Monday evening 4 pm est. I will be making final updates/corrections before >sending the directory to Charlie to convert to an e-mail friendly >attachment. Be nice if we could get an even 100. Just a minor correction, should be reflected below in my sig (e-mail address) Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From jguizar at EPIX.NET Fri Nov 17 19:00:44 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 19:00:44 EST Subject: Porcupine & Ozrics Message-ID: Something I found in r.m.p., thought it might be of interest to some: =================================================================== Newsgroups: rec.music.progressive From: delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk (Ivor Trueman) Subject: Porcupine Tree support dates with Ozrics Message-ID: <1995Nov14.215440.4224 at news.bogo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 03:53:08 GMT Porcupine Tree - kinda like an updated early 70s Floyd mixed with King Crimson & Ozric Tentacles are supporting the Ozrics in the UK at the following dates Friday 1st Dec - London Forum (also with Roy Harper & Ultramarine) Sat 2nd Dec - Wolverhampton, Wulfrun Hall Fri 8th Dec - Nottingham, Trent Uni Sat 9th Dec - Manchester, Academy (Uni) Sun 10th Dec - Sheffield Uni Dates advertised as featurng PT, but which the band didn't know anything about and can't unfortunately play are: 4th Dec - Portsmouth, 6th Dec - Glasgow, 29th Nov - Bristol If anyone wants any Porcupine Tree info, or want to join our mailing list please email me. Ivor (delerium at mail.bogo.co.uk) ============================================= Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Nov 17 19:03:08 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 19:03:08 -0500 Subject: Couple of thoughts to go please Message-ID: > >BOC New Album - Harvest Moon, Still Burning and See You In Black when they >appear on the next BOC album (I'm optimistic that Sony or someone will see >the light) will make it the best BOC album in years. Ok so it will also be >the first in years, but you guys will rush to the stores to buy it I >predict. I see record BOC sales for this one, gold within 6 months. Save >this for future reference. > >Speaking of BOC's future I also see some veterans of the rock world >collaborating on the next BOC album. This collaboration will result in some >great new music in the traditional BOC sound. This album will spark a >return of heavy metal done the right way and all of this will happen by >1997. I also see the addition of another guitarist yet no one will leave >the band. The new guy will supplement the current lineup quite nicely too >(song writing and playing). Save this one too cuase you heard it hear first. > > >A(the predictor)B > > I noticed a few things about BOC over the last few weeks. 1. Major release of compilation ( WotT ) 2. Re-release of older classic BOC 3. Heavy promo of BOC in stores ( as mentioned here, someone stated they seen 4. The upcoming show in Cleveland is being heavily advertised on the radio. All these things factored in, it seems that the record company is putting a lot of time and money into BOC. If they can get fan interest and new fan interest, maybe they will rise up to a status worthy of the investment of production of new material. ( Not that they aren't already, but from a record co. investment point of view ). Duane -- From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Nov 17 19:49:47 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 19:49:47 -0500 Subject: Couple of thoughts to go please Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-17 09:39:56 EST, you write: >BOC New Album - Harvest Moon, Still Burning and See You In Black when they >appear on the next BOC album (I'm optimistic that Sony or someone will see >the light) will make it the best BOC album in years. Ok so it will also be >the first in years, but you guys will rush to the stores to buy it I >predict. I see record BOC sales for this one, gold within 6 months. Save >this for future reference. I think there will be a new album by late 96 or early 97...BOC should title the album "Still Burnin" with the cover art having a black background and a computerized-looking BOC logo... > >Speaking of BOC's future I also see some veterans of the rock world >collaborating on the next BOC album. This collaboration will result in some >great new music in the traditional BOC sound. This album will spark a >return of heavy metal done the right way and all of this will happen by >1997. I also see the addition of another guitarist yet no one will leave >the band. no way! I could see some guest appearances on the album, but not a 6 piece BOC... ROBO From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Fri Nov 17 19:56:28 1995 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 19:56:28 -0500 Subject: BOC: stuff.... Message-ID: I received the same card today - wow - way cool. Any ideas on will be offered in terms of the audio recordings ? Red and the Black Stuff ??? Shawn From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Nov 17 20:37:56 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:37:56 -0500 Subject: BOC in Cleve. Message-ID: I will be at the show with a couple friends. I will be wearing a brown leather baseball hat. See you there. Duane -- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 17 08:33:34 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 13:33:34 GMT Subject: lag? In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Tue, 7 Nov 1995 13:58:21 +0000 Message-ID: > > is it just me or is there some kind of arbitrary lag happening? i just got the > > hawk stuff for sale on the net post dated 26th Oct > > Same here. Bleeding annoying. > Definitely! suffering from deja vu - I appear to have been here before ..... appear to have been here before - suffering from deja vu suffering from..... help! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Nov 18 01:27:38 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 01:27:38 -0500 Subject: Coffee / Manowar Message-ID: That's correct, Charlie. Ross The Boss played with the Dictators prior to joining Manowar. I believe he was later involved with Manitoba's Wild Kingdom (and Dick Manitoba was also a former Dictator?? I'm not an expert on this subject...) Chuck From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sat Nov 18 03:11:14 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 03:11:14 -0500 Subject: New Underbelly... Message-ID: Underbelly Online http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html new stuff: *Stairway To The Stars -Underbelly features- Check out the Brain Surgeons' special offer, the sights and sounds of BOC and other valuable BOC info! *Lips In The Hills -articles and news- Rip into some poetry, a Brain Surgeon or a Reaper! *Workshop Of the Telescopes -links around the internet- Links to BOC and Brain Surgeons Web sites, BOC Fan Club info, radio stations, magazines, CD stores, and of course, Beavis and Butthead! *Secret Treaties -tape trades- Don't E me for the lists, cuz now you can retrieve them right off the page *Zilla File Library -file download library- The Library is open! Download some BOC sounds, photos or text files! other: thanx to OCEANGYPSY for the awesome wallpaper that drapes the background of the Underbelly...fixed a known problem with the Netscape 2.0 Browser... comin up soon: photos and a review of the Reading show & other neat stuff... hope everyone has a jolly good time! ROBO From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Nov 17 05:48:34 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 21:48:34 +1100 Subject: HW: Gig Reviews Message-ID: I've just started to build a HW Gig Review page ... trouble is, I have very little material to put there (apart from the recent posts about the Brixton All-nighter). Surely some fine boc-l'er out there has an archive they'd be willing to search through? Paul -- Thought for the day: Communist (n): one who has given up all hope of becoming a Capitalist. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Nov 18 14:52:36 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 20:52:36 +0100 Subject: HW: Covers project inlays viewable via WWW In-Reply-To: <9511172025.AA32167@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Nov 1995, Paul Mather wrote: > I don't know if this will help anyone, but since I haven't noticed much > feedback (just Hawkjoe's), I thought I'd create the WWW page in case > people are having problems viewing the inlays. I don't know about everyone else, but MY problem was printing a Postscript file! The freeware ghostscript driver I was using thought it was Windows 95 (ie - kept crashing) Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Sat Nov 18 09:12:58 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 13:12:58 -0100 Subject: Coffee / Manowar Message-ID: > That's correct, Charlie. Ross The Boss played with the >Dictators prior to joining Manowar. I believe he was later >involved with Manitoba's Wild Kingdom (and Dick Manitoba was >also a former Dictator?? I'm not an expert on this subject...) > >Chuck > > Yes, Handsome Dick Manitoba was a prominent member of Dictators, as well as rythm guitarplayer Scott Kempner (Top Ten) who later started The Del-Lords where he made "I play the drums" that Brains Surgeons played on Eponymous (very different version though). For a short while Dictators had a bassplayer with the name Mark "The Animal" Mendoza, and I believe he went to Twisted Sisters.... Connections... :-] Dan From martinp at INFORAMP.NET Sat Nov 18 11:04:23 1995 From: martinp at INFORAMP.NET (MartinPopoff) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 11:04:23 -0500 Subject: complete Manowar reviews from RKM! Message-ID: Just a test. Can't seem to figure out what address to use to send stuff. Could someone please (react" to this post? Thanks much Martin Manowar - Battle Hymns (Liberty '82) And so it is conceived, the Manowar kingdom, borne of U.S. muscle and might, trash-talking confrontation with those who pose and oppose, spiritual descendants of The Nuge (especially on Shell Shock), embracing the new power genre in full combat fatigue. Never mind that the music won't catch up to the spiel until Hail To England, vocalist Eric Adams is Attitude on full throttle, and the trademark trashy bass and drums foundation is articulated albeit in somewhat primitive form. Still, while the claims to heaviest on the hill ring a little premature, Battle Hymns is chock full o' anthemic punter nuggets, tastiest being Manowar, a soccer chant of a tune rendered greasy and trustworthy by Adams' killer delivery. Also our first of many insect-like bass solos with the hyper William's Tale (William Tell Overture on uppers). Immediately rowdy, outcast alcohol metal with vacuum-packed isolation from current overseas trends, Manowar's debut tends to leak melody like old American metal, an important factor in making this one of the more accessible Manowar mental tattoos, uniformally moving it along into glory ride. Rating 8 Manowar - Into Glory Ride (Megaforce '83) Parallel this to Trouble's The Skull, both following up by slowing it down and crawling under in the name of establishing band psyche; metallic backdrop over which to future play. Into Glory Ride is even more crusty and archaic than the debut, smashing and hitting and beating on songs in no way strong enough to take the battery. However, the Manowar religion becomes firmly transcribed with three <169>of<170> songs in a row, Secret Of Steel, Gloves Of Metal, and Gates Of Valhalla, which basically sum up (along with the album covers) the band's unstoppable, delusional mission to conquer. Trashy, grungy, and weighted with Viking swords, Into Glory Ride is the lost Manowar record, a transition between first life and one of a kind, fur-lined fantasia. Rating 6 Manowar - Hail To England (Music For Nations '84) Ross The Boss, Eric Adams, Joey DeMaio and Scott Columbus come bone-breaking back with their strongest to date, a record that is my sentimental favorite, arriving at the peak of my metallic dependence. Monikered to thank Manowar's mighty fan base in the U.K. versus a noticeably smaller following stateside, Hail To England was a heroic, over-blown facemelt of a record, filled with excessive, mercilessly recorded metal gems, clocked at various welcome velocities, each bloody tale a beacon of stone thumping victoriously on its own. Side one,Blood Of My Enemies, Each Dawn I Die, Kill With Power and the title track is the most solid side of Manowar to date, highlighted by cut three, one face-pasting OTT shredder that became for a good six months my catalyst to rise and move forward each morning. Hail To England triumphantly made audible the buzz that metal was capable of installing in one's brain, using typical Manowar language fused to the band's trademark distortion levels to drive the point home like a ruby-encrusted dagger through the heart, all four corners of the attack pulverizing with over-the top beatings of their chosen weapons. In the end, Hail To England kills with power because of its unquenchable will to power, a knowledge that its blackened but unbowed spirit cannot be compromised. Rating 10 (Reprinted From Riff Kills Man!: 25 Years Of Recorded Hard Rock & Heavy Metal. 1,942 record reviews spanning the years 1968-1993, 445 pages, $20 including tax and shipping from Power Chord Press, P.O. Box 65208, 358 Danforth Ave., Toronto, Ontario, M4K 3Z2. Note: Mention you saw this in BOC-1, and receive free, 575 reviews written since the book was published.) Manowar - Sign Of the Hammer (10 '84) And the roaring poseur bonfire finds more vindictive petrol, as the Immovable Four follow up a head-strafing classic with yet another, in a metal year that is owned by the band, at least in terms of respect, underground buzz and European media coverage. Steadfast and resolute in their calling to be the loudest, heaviest, bad-ass force on stage, Sign Of The Hammer has that same chaotic, hysterical production sound, a grinding, buzzing battle between pumped-up man and machine, which even infects near ballad Mountains (strummed sensitively on bass), a surprisingly catchy piece of dynamic bravado. Top it all off with Guyana (Cult Of The Damned), a tribute to the good reverend Jim and a few hundred dead chosen ones, and you've got one appalling, harrowing trip down Manowar's Nordic coastline in the sky. Perhaps more frenetic and thrashy than its confident predecessor, Sign Of The Hammer is nevertheless a power-hungry feast on which to gorge, a journey on which the music nor the lyrics can be taken seriously on their own, only the resulting death tones of their fused attack. Truly a panic of a record for whatever reason. Rating 8 Manowar - Fighting The World (Atco '87) Having been pasted to the wall by Manowar live and in concert, I now can begin to understand the dismally unjust reasons for the band's lack of commercial glory, for fact is, the band's fanbase has been systematically driven to deafness by the unholy wrenching of cavernous howling that is Manowar in the flesh. Yea and verily, mine interest might have waned in these later lean years, were it not for the insane conviction of the band's on and off stage dedication to annihilation. Fighting The World, although largely <169>unheard<170> if you get my drift, is a fine pageant of ageless lore, a feast of godly strength, recalling the band's finest fistfuls of rage. That tell-tale Manowar sound has been brilliantly fine-aged 'til it rumbles and destroys with more grating fear than henceforth willed, still encrusted with the distorted gutturals of Joey Demaio's bass and Scott Columbus' killer percussive machinations. All of side one is thunderously perfect Manowar, offering one half glory-bound anthems, one half metal-encased statements of war. Side two upholds the band's brave tradition of epic, lumbering into being with the previously released, Orson Welles-narrated Defender, then the Valhalla-entombed dynamics of Holy War, which comes as a bit of a ponderous lull compared to merciless closer Black Wind, Fire and Steel, a characteristic explosion of speed done in typical Manowar disdain for the weak, chafing with raw collisions of bass and vocal will from the supreme and unwielding Eric Adams. After the smoke melts, what hath just occurred is another characteristically muscular offering, one side fully great, one side, sprawling and maybe 1/3 or 1/2 as direct as one might want, spending much time strenuously re-establishing the <169>Death To False Metal<170> doctrine and accompanying fur-lined image already labouriously and relentlessly enforced at every lull in the violence. However, despite such sermons which we've grown to love and live for, Manowar is the reigning human bullet of uncompromise, no question. Long live. Rating 9 Manowar - Kings Of Metal (Atlantic '88) Deeming this band a parody is a futile pursuit in infinite ironic layering, for Manowar is a philosophy of inter-connecting unbelievables that just disintegrates into mass ludicrousness under too serious scrutiny. Having said that, Kings Of Metal comes along and for once, this band that finds, record after record, impressive and bludgeoning terrain while unrepentantly repeating itself, finally begins to stumble over its past, curmudgeoning itself into a dim reflection of the spiel it until now pulled off with impressive weight and authority. Not that Kings Of Metal is a waste of space, but it most definitely is chock full of traditional but usually limited Manowar flaws such as bad thrash, lots of silly instrumental interludes, slow, boring sections, extravagant arrangements, and above all one of the poorer mixes in years, something known on the back cover as <169>full digital recording<170> which more or less exposes the band's sonic holes, here sounding all clattering and noisy, little in the way of full range or bottom end muscle. And only now, do the lyrics echo with empty threats. High points: the dramatic and tuneful Kingdom Come and the OTT cheeze of Hail And Kill. All in all, merely a low calibre collection of songs, blown away at the knees by one uninviting and clanky mix. Rating 6 Manowar - The Triumph Of Steel (Atlantic '92) Manowar's return despite humbling (never!), almost mortal (never!) trials and tribulations embraces the CD age with one endless epic tale about, you guessed it, muscle-beaches with swords, unassumingly deemed Achilles, Agony And Ecstacy In Eight Parts, which at 28:37 is destined to throw in every Manowar excess ever mustered under the flag of megaton mastery. Builds, ebbs, flows, mini-songs, ravings, mini-suites and an awe-inspiring, quintessentially metallic drum solo (plus cymbal solo intro) from new boot Rhino, all combine to cut a landscape that is the ultimate Manowar profile, for better and worse; gut-turning textures but, well, long. Anyhow, strapped on the back end, we get no less than seven more caterwauls, all pressing the band to even further extremes; extremes of speed, anger, sloth, quiet seclusion, noise, panic, experimentation, sound effects, solo frenetics and production fanaticism, which is damn near equal to the band's insane live mix. New drummer Rhino and new axeman David Shankle are forces to behold out of necessity, as they assume their respective thrones in a band that manages to showcase everybody all the time. Without a doubt, the most lavish, psychologically forceful Manowar project yet; to use a volatile term, progressive, as the men on the mount define their world in intense vividness within and away from their music towards aural narrative (Orson, can you hear us?). Big, blinding and overblown (not to mention six more "of" songs), The Triumph Of Steel is unswerving ambition filling the confines of the long established Manowar world of ancient heroics. Whether it spills into your world is a question of personal taste. In my world, Manowar now goes even further beyond discussion of good vs. bad metal, into one of mental landscaping, as I seem to become less concerned with counting good riffs and choruses, more blasted by the welded vibes. Rating 9 (Reprinted From Riff Kills Man!: 25 Years Of Recorded Hard Rock & Heavy Metal. 1,942 record reviews spanning the years 1968-1993, 445 pages, $20 including tax and shipping from Power Chord Press, P.O. Box 65208, 358 Danforth Ave., Toronto, Ontario, M4K 3Z2. Note: Mention you saw this in BOC-1, and receive free, 575 reviews written since the book was published.) Martin Popoff: martinp at inforamp.net Power Chord Press (Riff Kills Man!) P.O. Box 65208, 358 Danforth Ave. Toronto, Ontario M4K 3Z2 From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Sat Nov 18 12:15:08 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 12:15:08 EST Subject: Concert Review (long) Message-ID: BOC played at "The Silo" in Reading, PA, on Thursday 11/16. The good doctor was there. I haven't read my BOC digest yet, so ROBO probably wrote a more detailed review. However, I decided to do mine without knowing what others said so that I wouldn't be influenced before posting. Took 2.5 hours to get there. The Silo is a small to average size club arranged as follows: The stage I thought was somewhat small. From the stage there is about a 5-6 foot drop into a pit, which is the dance floor, located in front of the stage. On three sides around the stage are tables. Also there is a "loft" or second floor open area that surrounds the dance floor on three sides. The doctor had his butt planted front and center on the loft. Excellent view looking slightly down onto the stage. The opening act: Sucked. I mean really sucked. Everyone on the loft level was ready to throw stuff at them, they were that bad. I don't want to write too much about them to justify their existence, but suffice to say that the chick playing bass had maroon, baggy, pants made of a thick felt material. The band sounded like a combination of the worst videos you've ever seen on Beavis and Butthead, and me taking guitar lessons in a pissed-off mood. (Hint: I've never taken guitar lessons-just piano) Fortunately, they didn't play too long. They were the only opening act. BOC came on about 10:30pm or so, and played until approx. 12:30am. The song list, as I try to read the blurry notes on this cola-stained napkin, was as follows: Stairway to the Stars Dr. Music ??? (can't read my writing) ETI Before the Kiss: A Red Death See You in Black Take Me Away ???? (can't read my writing and don't recall the tune off hand, but I remember Eric repeating "and the joke's on you" over and over while moving in front of a strobe light) Cities on Flame Then Came the Last Days of May (excellent guitar solo by Buck) In Thee (electric version-Eric mentioned that their acustic stuff got ripped off) ??? (can't read it, but I believe it was a new song from WOTT?) Harvest Moon (Eric pecking at the keyboards w/2 fingers-just the way I used to type) Burnin' for You Godzilla (drum solo OK) Don't Fear the Reaper ENCORE: ??? (can't read my notes and don't remember) Red and Black I would have liked to stick around (since the club didn't close 'til 2:00a.m.) and perhaps met the boys, but I left in a flash since it was such a long drive home. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now for the doctor's impressions: There were only a few technical glitches. The most striking one was that for whatever reason, the audio quality of the singing sucked. I'm quite sure that the problem was a combination of the venue (poor acustics of the room) and, perhaps, a problem with the microphones. If you didn't know the words to the songs yourself, you never could have figured out what lyrics they were singing, and it wasn't the singers' fault for not enunciating. Also, when Buck sang, I thought I was listening to Bob Dylan. Also, for whatever reason, the musical sound quality suffered (again, probably because of the venue). I found myself thinking that a CD has superior sound quality compared to this. Granted that in a CD, you don't get the energy and unique performance differences of a live show, but if this is as good as the sound quality gets, than I'll sit back with a good CD version. A few other random thoughts: --The collective talent level of this band is incredible. I used to think that Eddie Van Halen was a good guitarist, but I think he needs to take lessons from Buck. The guy is extremely talented. However, the doctor recommends a comprehensive psychiatric evaluation for Mr. Dharma. His expression never changed the whole show, and I just got that gut feeling that the dude needs help. Otherwise, that was the best "schtick" that I've ever seen. Doctor's words to live by: Its always the quiet ones that you need to worry about. --Eric, looking like Jim "The Anvil" Nidehart (a professional wrestler) only skinnier, had a candy-apple red guitar with a white space alien on it. --To ROBO: Sorry I missed you, dude, but I yelled for you several times from the balcony to see who would look up. People looked at me strangely for yelling "ROBODUDE." BTW, were you wearing a white BOC shirt with blue sleeves? --I don't know how to describe my thought that a small venue is inappropriate for this band. They are too good for that. Maybe I can explain it this way: During the outdoor concert I went to in Atlantic City in 1982, the sound was clear, not muffled, and the music & energy flew out from the stage, enveloped you, made you realize that your heart is black and that your lips are, indeed, gold.....picked you up, then threw you back down on the ground. It was the sort of thing that you talked about for the next few months. It was the BOC experience. Now compare this to the two times I've seen them in clubs, the most recently being Thursday's show (the focus of this review). Both times, the sound and energy just reverberated off the walls looking to escape, but there was no where for it to go. It just bounced around aimlessly within the confines of the building until it died. What a waste. Conclusion: Back when I first joined this list, I posted my thoughts about how BOC wasn't meant to play in such a small venue. This opinion was reinforced by this concert. They are a powerful, talented band-the greatest band of all time-and the confines of a nightclub do not do them justice. They are selling themselves short. It is just like a loved one who is addicted to drugs, and you can't do a damn thing to help them until THEY want to get help. Well, I think BOC is stifling themselves, is not achieving its potential, and was clearly meant to do large arenas, stadiums, or outdooor stuff. Maybe they don't want the hassle of the big shows anymore, and maybe their happy as clams doing what they're doing now, but they're making themselves look like has-beens who are relegated to playing clubs. And since, as an entity, BOC is my favorite band of all time, this really hurts. Yes, it actually hurt to see them up there on stage not being all they could be. With a good marketing strategy and just a little effort, they could regain their glory in a heartbeat. Hell, I'd be happy to offer some marketing advice pro bono, since I was involved with that sort of stuff in a "previous life." They'll always be the greatest rock n' roll band of all time, in my book, but I guess I'll have to enjoy them on CD. The doctor is not happy, and it hurts. Hell, one could say that the band started going downhill anyway when the Bouchard brothers left, but it still hurts. -Dr. Bob rkohl at state.de.us From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sat Nov 18 14:52:48 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 14:52:48 -0500 Subject: HW: Covers project inlays viewable via WWW In-Reply-To: from "Paul Ward" at Nov 18, 95 08:52:36 pm Message-ID: Paul Ward writes: > I don't know about everyone else, but MY problem was printing a > Postscript file! The freeware ghostscript driver I was using thought it > was Windows 95 (ie - kept crashing) Alladin Ghostscript 3.51 under OSF/1 works fine for me. In fact, that's what I used to create the image files from which the .GIF files were produced. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _Guitar_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sat Nov 18 14:56:03 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 14:56:03 -0500 Subject: Concert Review (long) Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-18 13:45:51 EST, you write: >The opening act: Sucked. I mean really sucked. Everyone on the loft level >was ready to throw stuff at them, they were that bad. I don't want to write >too much about them to justify their existence, but suffice to say that the >chick playing bass had maroon, baggy, pants made of a thick felt material. >The band sounded like a combination of the worst videos you've ever seen on >Beavis and Butthead, and me taking guitar lessons in a pissed-off mood. >(Hint: I've never taken guitar lessons-just piano) Fortunately, they didn't >play too long. They were the only opening act. yeah...they did suck...they relied heavily on the distortion and feedback...not once did they play a clean solo to demonstrate some artistic ability... but I guess, that's hip nowadays! if these guys can "play", I think I'm ready to start a band! ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sat Nov 18 14:56:16 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 14:56:16 -0500 Subject: Concert Review (long) Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-18 13:45:51 EST, you write: >However, the doctor >recommends a comprehensive psychiatric evaluation for Mr. Dharma. His >expression never changed the whole show, and I just got that gut feeling that >the dude needs help. Otherwise, that was the best "schtick" that I've ever >seen. Doctor's words to live by: Its always the quiet ones that you need to >worry about. that maybe my fault!!! I think I made Buck self-conscience of the "duck" comments I made in a recent online chat on AOL...it was purely innocent on my part, and I thought that he may have picked it up from Chuck Berry...it was cool with him, as I dutifully apologized for my remarks, although no harm was intended in the first place.... seriously now, I didn't think he acted any different...he was still makin them funny faces with his eyes, crackin' the knuckles during Cities etc etc...don't mistake a guitarist gettin' into the music with a mental disorder...Buck does a duck dance ala Chuck Berry, Clapton does a weird thing with his mouth, and yours truly (the Stun guitarist from Central PA!!!) moves his lips while he's playin...did you ever see the Edge? he moves his hips back and forth but usually he has no expression on his face whatsoever! : } > >--Eric, looking like Jim "The Anvil" Nidehart (a professional wrestler) only >skinnier, had a candy-apple red guitar with a white space alien on it. yeah...you can also get guitar picks of glow-in-the-dark aliens...they're pretty kewl...and he does like Nidehart, good analogy! > >--To ROBO: Sorry I missed you, dude, but I yelled for you several times from >the balcony to see who would look up. People looked at me strangely for >yelling "ROBODUDE." BTW, were you wearing a white BOC shirt with blue >sleeves? nope...I was the dude at the front of the stage in the biker jacket...right in front of Bloom and Lanier...I couldn't hear too well down there... ROBO From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Nov 19 07:32:08 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:32:08 +0000 Subject: OFF: alt.music.planet-gong Message-ID: I just noticed there's an alt.music.planet-gong newsgroup. Thought I'd mention it in case any of the major Gong fans out there had missed it. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Nov 19 07:42:59 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:42:59 +0000 Subject: OFF: US release of Planet Dog stuff In-Reply-To: <199511161955.OAA05263@epix.net> from "Jerry Guizar" at Nov 15, 95 08:01:27 pm Message-ID: > Is Alien 4 a full-length CD or just an EP with 4 or 5 songs on it? Full-length, 70 odd minutes or thereabouts ... _Area S4_ is the associated EP. Cheers, Carl From jguizar at EPIX.NET Sun Nov 19 09:50:49 1995 From: jguizar at EPIX.NET (Jerry Guizar) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:50:49 EST Subject: OFF: US release of Planet Dog stuff Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:42:59 +0000 Carl wrote: >> Is Alien 4 a full-length CD or just an EP with 4 or 5 songs on it? > > Full-length, 70 odd minutes or thereabouts ... > _Area S4_ is the associated EP. Ahh, that's where the confusion came from. I saw _Area S4_ and never made the connection about there being two different new releases. Jerry jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us jguizar at epix.net From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sun Nov 19 16:26:55 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:26:55 -0500 Subject: BOC Review Message-ID: The following review is strictly my own opinions and observations of the BOC show on 11/18/95 at The Edge Concert Club in Cleve., Oh. My literary talents leave alot to be desired, so bear with me. I have never been to the Edge, so I will begin with my impressions of the venue itself. The Edge looks to be an excellent place for a show at first. It is very spacious, as it looks to be able to hold about 500-600 people. The place slowly filled throughout the night, and by showtime was quite crowded. My major complaints about the club are that they did not have a very good selection of beer, leaving me little choice, so I had to go with the Molson Ice. Then, about halfway through BOC's set, that ran out. All for the best anyway, as I had a long ride home. As BOC took the stage, the flaw with the club's setup became rapidly apparent. The stage is at about the same level as the floor area in front of it, so as the many large leather-clad biker types forced their way to the front, it made it nearly impossible to see anyone on stage, except for an occasional glimpse of Eric's face and as Buck is not the tallest of people, he was virtually impossible to see at all. The opening band was a local group by the name of Public Display of Infection. I have not ever heard of them, so I didn't know what to expect. They were actually a decent opener for the Oysterboys. They did about a 30-40 minute set. They played good hard rock n' roll, some of the songs reminded me a bit of Mott the Hoople, and some songs had a sound similar to a newer band who's name escapes me at the moment, but they had a song out awhile back called Low. ( " hey, hey hey, it's like being stoned." ) After a short intermission, it was time. BOC was scheduled to start at 10:30, and it was about 10:45 when they started, so as rock shows go, this is about the closest that a band I have seen started when they said they would. Lights dim, stage lights brighten, and smoke machines start hissing and putting out. From the cheers from the front, you could tell when they made their entrance. Buck had a something white on, with a black guitar that had the top of the neck missing. Eric wore a black t-shirt, and the ever- present shades, and had a red guitar. ( The red and the black?) They started jamming hard, and never let up at all. I have seen BOC about 4 times in the past, and this is the best that they have been in a long while They were well rehearsed, and very tight. The sound was excellent, as the vocals were very discernable, and Buck's guitar sang out loud and clear. I don't know how it sounded in the back, but from about 5 rows of people back on the floor, it was clear as a bell. I have got to say at this point, that it is the strength of Buck's talent as a guitarist that has enabled BOC to remain on the tour circuit and consistantly draw the crowds. He is the comsumate profesional. When he plays, it appears he is genuinally enjoying himself. And he does it so effortlessly, it is like second-nature. Eric's vocals also contribute to this, but not nearly to the extent of Buck. Here is the setlist: 1. Stairway to the Stars 2. Dr. Music 3. OD'd on Life 4. ETI 5. Before the Kiss 6. I'd Like to See You In Black 7. Take Me Away 8. Flaming Telepaths 9. Cities on Flame 10. Astronomy 11. In Thee 12. Lips in the Hills 13. Burnin' for You 14. Godzilla 15. Don't Fear the Reaper ENCORE 16. Dominence and Submission 17. Summer of Love 18. Red and the Black This was a very strong setlist, and very well performed. The only complaint I have with it is that I was very glad to hear Astronomy, but not at the expense of Last Days of May. These two songs are my absolute favorites and I would have much preferred them to drop In Thee and include Last Days. Another one that could be dropped is Burnin' For You. I guess they feel obligated to play the radio hits, as some of the crowd were folks that were more than likely only familiar with what they hear on the radio. As previously mentioned, the bands acoustic equiptment was ripped off, so when In Thee was performed Buck did it as acoustically as was possible on his guitar. It seemed to me that a lot of people went to the johns or the bar during this one. People come to see BOC rock, and they want it to rock hard and loud. In Thee acoustically just doesn't fit the bill. When the band started Reaper, it sounded a little uninspired, and I was beginning to think that this one should be dropped also, but then Buck pulled out all the stops during the middle section, ( you know, when the guitars all come blasting in ) and really salvaged this one. It was then that I knew why this is such a good song. A few songs inspired the crowd to sing/shout along, obviously Godzilla, and the crowd yelling " Dominance" and " The jokes on you", but they seemed the loudest during Cities on Flame. My eyes didn't melt, but today my ears feel as if they did! I had never heard the song I'd Like to See You in Black before, but had heard about it. All I have to say about this one is it totally blew me away. If they could come up with more new stuff this strong, they will have no problem selling albums. Speaking of selling albums, Eric said right before they played Astronomy, " This one is from our new one, Workshop of the Telescopes." I thought this slightly amusing, as the hardcore BOC fans all know this from Secret Treaties, the casual fan might not. After the encore, most of the crowd didn't want to go home yet, and screamed for more, quite loudly. I thought at first that the band might just come back out, but it was not to be. I am sorry I missed anyone from the discussion group who may have been there, I looked for you, but didn't see you. Hey Bryan, were you the guy with the long, straight red hair, and the long black overcoat? And Sade, I looked for your BOC leather, but didn't see it. Hey AB, did you make it there? Anyway, all in all, a very good show, and it was well worth the $12.00 for the ticket. Duane -- From wiandrew at COPPER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Sun Nov 19 18:49:10 1995 From: wiandrew at COPPER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Wian Chao Drew) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 18:49:10 -0500 Subject: BOC in Cleve. In-Reply-To: <199511180137.AA00615@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Nov 17, 95 08:37:56 pm Message-ID: > > I will be at the show with a couple friends. I will be wearing a brown > leather baseball hat. See you there. > Suck. This machine was down all morning so I couldn' t get your message.. got a speeding ticket too.. That sucked. Ohio cops suck. But the concern rules.. I wasn't expecting to hear Dominance. Kick-ASS From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Nov 19 19:39:58 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 19:39:58 -0500 Subject: OFF: alt.music.planet-gong Message-ID: I need a little Gong advice from the Gong aliens. I've seen two Gong records - I regret that I can't remember the damn titles, but one is from '75 and another from '77. Were they still good at this time? Is it real psychedelic freak-out type stuff that a HW junkie would eat up? Chuck From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sun Nov 19 19:39:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 19:39:00 -0500 Subject: Finally Balanced Message-ID: I just wanted to give a boost to a NYC band called Finally Balanced. I was just in the studio with them this weekend hearing the final mixes of their upcoming CD. It is going to be great. They are a 6 peice band with a very hard to describe style. A mix of blues, funk, space and poetry!!! Anyway, they did an excellent cover of Hurry on Sundown. Oh by the way, Bill Stewart, please send them some mail at: camis.a at ix.metcom.com Their card describes them as Funkamental musetry for the Mind and Body!! Scott From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sun Nov 19 23:38:06 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:38:06 -0500 Subject: OFF: alt.music.planet-gong In-Reply-To: <01HXU7SIR9JY9IC2VB@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Nov 19, 95 07:39:58 pm Message-ID: Chuck, > I need a little Gong advice from the Gong aliens. I've > seen two Gong records - I regret that I can't remember the damn > titles, but one is from '75 and another from '77. Were they > still good at this time? Is it real psychedelic freak-out type > stuff that a HW junkie would eat up? If the '77 album is called _Live Floating Anarchy '77_ then I love that one. 'Ere 'n Now meets GonG for a great fusion of hard driving rock and psychedelic weirdness. Of course, the recommended starting point for GonG has to be the legendary _Radio Gnome Invisible Part 1: Flying Teapot_. That, and the followup, _Angels Egg_. I don't know what the release dates for them are, though. _Shamal_ is from 1975, but leans more towards jazz than the regular fare served up by the Pot Head Pixies and the Octave Doctors. It's certainly not "psychedelic freak-out type stuff". I'm not sure, but Steve Hillage might have departed by then, leaving Pierre Moerlen and the jazz faction in control. (Daevid Allen [the "Dave Brock" of GonG] was also gone.) Btw, another one to look out for is Steve Hillage's _Fish Rising_. Although it's officially a Hillage solo album, just about everyone in GonG plays on it. "The Salmon Song" is wonderful, but check out the live version on Hillage's _BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert_ for a truly stellar version! Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Jimi Hendrix Experience, _Radio One_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. "Ali Baba have you any bullshit?" --- Gong, _Live Floating Anarchy '77_ From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Nov 19 23:57:01 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 05:57:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Cover Cover Vol II Message-ID: here's my free thoughts of the new J-shell cover: back side & shell side: no change since Vol I - no change needed... front side: Nethawks logo over the whole side - now it looks real good - but perhaps there should be another font on the "NETHAWKS" name? inside: Tracklist font changed / Disclaimer text changed. This Tracklist is easier to read, and looks better. Disclaimer is shorter and smaller. Size of the letters is ok, but isn't it too short? Shouldn't we point on the 'non profit' distrubition? or..? I don't know - this disclaimer section isn't really my bag :o) \\joe From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Mon Nov 20 17:20:04 1995 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:20:04 EST Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 In-Reply-To: <9511061010.AA25639@sun1.bham.ac.uk>; from "Derrick Chilton" at Nov 6, 95 10:10:21 am Message-ID: G'day Just Received Alien 4 and the ep,and I cant see what all the fuss is about.I think Ron fits in well with the concept of the album,and can only complain about "Beam me up"which is abit repetitive and sounds like it should of been in the rocky horror soundtrack.The instrumental interludes are not boring like some of the tracks on ET & ITBOTFTBD, they at least seem to fit.Sputnik Stan really hits the spot and reminds me of LSD,I like to new versions of Death Trap/Iron Dream and Xenonmorph has a really nice keyboard bit in the middle. Overall this is an album thats easier to get into than the last few efforts,and as Rob S has said possibly the best thing to date in the nineties.It has been playing continuosly over the weekend,which I haven' t done with a Hawkwind album since Palace Springs. Now if only they would bring the tour to Melbourne,with the Ozrics and ship of fools accompaning them. regards Marty P.s Has the Pink Fairies "Never,Never Land" been released on cd yet? From CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK Mon Nov 20 11:26:32 1995 From: CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:26:32 EST Subject: OFF: alt.music.planet-gong In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, > I need a little Gong advice from the Gong aliens. Now I know some Gong freaks are a little wierd but I'm not sure that *alien* is the right word here :-) > Were they still good at this time? Yeah. IMO pretty much everything they've done has been good - some of the offshoots such as Mother Gong are more than I can stomach. Personally I have a pretty low tolerance for self-indulgent tweeness. > Is it real psychedelic freak-out type > stuff that a HW junkie would eat up? I think that many people are *into* both Gong and HW and both bands are difficult for non-fans to appreciate. However Gong are exactly NOTHING like HW, if you're expecting driving space rock you'll be disappointed. They're much jazzier, more experimental and I think that they're more relaxed. > _Shamal_ is from 1975, but leans more towards jazz than the regular > fare served up by the Pot Head Pixies and the Octave Doctors. It's > certainly not "psychedelic freak-out type stuff". I'm not sure, but > Steve Hillage might have departed by then, leaving Pierre Moerlen and > the jazz faction in control. (Daevid Allen [the "Dave Brock" of GonG] > was also gone.) I'm fairly sure, no in fact I'm positive that it's Allan Holdsworth on guitar on this. He played on the last two Gong albums and is also on *Expresso 2* by Pierre Morelains Gong (very jazz-rock). > Btw, another one to look out for is Steve Hillage's _Fish Rising_. > Although it's officially a Hillage solo album, just about everyone > in GonG plays on it. "The Salmon Song" is wonderful, but check > out the live version on Hillage's _BBC Radio 1 Live In Concert_ > for a truly stellar version! An awesome album. Most of Hillages solo albums are excellent. he was still in Gong when he recorded this, I believe he left because it was so successful. I prefer *Live Herald* to the BBC live album but I think they were recorded around the same time and they have very similar tracklists. I'd also recommend the newish Gong live album *Birthday Party* which was recorded at the excellent 25th anniversary shows last year. Some very good Tim Blake on it, the only downside is that Steffi Sharpstrings does not play as well as Hillage and sometimes gets a bit boring. Chris From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 20 07:26:11 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:26:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: alt.music.planet-gong Message-ID: chuck-->>> I need a little Gong advice from the Gong aliens. I've seen two Gong records - I regret that I can't remember the damn titles, but one is from '75 and another from '77. Were they still good at this time? Is it real psychedelic freak-out type stuff that a HW junkie would eat up?<<< it is "real psychedelic freakout stuff", but being a hawkfan does not mean you must enjoy gong.the spirit is way different.picture a rowdy group of elves-no, make that gnomes-having a huge trip party dedicated to chipping away at the foundations of the ESTABLISHMENT.some excellent musicianship,the music tends to create a lot of middle-eye visuals. a lot of it has a whimsical feel to it. i am not familiar with any albums from 75 or 77(not on my shelves,anyway) but the stuff from 73-74 is imho their best,and the stuff from after is not far behind.77 sounds like it might be the comp "gong live etc." good stuff. the best thing to get would be "gong est mort/gong live",if you can find it. one thing to bear in mind-gong has as many, if not more,variations as hawkwind,and each has its own unique sound. mothergong=poetry and strange music gong/gong maison=poetry and space rock moerlin's gong=strange music,jazz,often cheesy imho these are only my oppinions- im sure there are people here who would disagree on many of these points. rj From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 20 07:26:13 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:26:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: alt.music.planet-gong Message-ID: paul said:>>Of course, the recommended starting point for GonG has to be the legendary _Radio Gnome Invisible Part 1: Flying Teapot_. That, and the followup, _Angels Egg_. I don't know what the release dates for them are, though.<<< this is actually a trilogy- "magick brother,mystic sister"-from ???(my copy says 86, but...) "you"= their best studio,from 74 "angels egg"-from 73 feel free to correct me if you think i'm wrong..rj From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 20 08:02:16 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:02:16 -0500 Subject: Coffee / Manowar Message-ID: Yep, Mark "The Animal" Mendoza played in Twisted Sister. To think that I used to listen to those guys . . . well, they WERE fun. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 20 08:10:04 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:10:04 EST Subject: Couple of thoughts to go please Message-ID: > >Speaking of BOC's future I also see some veterans of the rock world > >collaborating on the next BOC album. This collaboration will result in some > >great new music in the traditional BOC sound. This album will spark a > >return of heavy metal done the right way and all of this will happen by > >1997. I also see the addition of another guitarist yet no one will leave > >the band. > > no way! I could see some guest appearances on the album, but not a 6 piece > BOC... > > ROBO I agree with Robo. The basic chemistry and instrumentation has been set for over 20 years. I doubt that new players will join. Who needs a second gtrst when you've got Buck as long as Manny continues to hold down the rhythm gtr? Contributions and guest appearances a la 'Imaginos?' You bet! theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 20 08:13:24 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:13:24 EST Subject: Coffee / Manowar Message-ID: > That's correct, Charlie. Ross The Boss played with the > Dictators prior to joining Manowar. I believe he was later > involved with Manitoba's Wild Kingdom (and Dick Manitoba was > also a former Dictator?? I'm not an expert on this subject...) > > Chuck That's 'Handsome Dick Manitoba' to you guys. He was the singer in the Dictators, a Pearlman/Krugman production. I never heard of Wild Kingdom. When was this? Albums? Still in print/avail.? theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 20 08:28:58 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:28:58 -0500 Subject: A couple comments on the BOC reviews Message-ID: Just wanted to add a few comments to the recent BOC reviews. 1. Buck's "headless" guitar - that's a Steinberger, and Buck's been playing it now for at least the last 5 years. Looks kinda weird, but the guy can do some amazing things with it. 2. Buck in concert -- Buck has never been what one might call "animated" during a show - that's Buck. He pretty much just stands and plays. He does have a habit of bobbing his head around a bit, which apparently some think looks like a duck (note: I doubt that a comment in jest on AOL is gonna make Buck change something he's been doing for over 20 years). As far as needing a psychiatrist, well I doubt it. The quiet ones though, yeah they are always the ones you gotta watch out for . . . 3. There ain't no "new" songs on WotT - but obviously the band is trying to promote it. 4. BOC playing at small venues -- As much as we'd all like it, BOC can't play the large venues anymore because their fan base is too small. Which would you find more depressing - BOC packing a 500 seat club, or BOC playing to 1000 in a stadium that seats 20,000? 5. BOC becoming "popular" again -- would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath. Even if they come out with a new album (which I do think will happen), and even if the music on it is great (my guess is that is will be better than *Club Ninja*, but not better than *Secret Treaties*), none of that guarantees success. There are probably thousands of absolutely fantastic albums out there that failed miserably - some by bands we know, and some by bands we've never heard of. There's the issue of the record company promoting the band and the album. And, I believe that what is going on in the music world (i.e. what's hot and what's not) has alot to do with it - sometimes timing and dumb luck plays a hand in these things. It might happen again for BOC (and none would be more happier than I), but there's certainly no guarantee. My guess is that BOC knows this because if they really thought that a new album would set their careers on the road toward stardom again, they'd released the thing about 2 years ago. So, as I say in the FAQ, "we wait . . . and hope . . . and pray" In the meantime, go out and enjoy 'em for all you can get (and don't forget to check out The Brain Surgeons - now THERE'S a band that would be on top of the music world if all it took was a great band with a great album). 6. Comments on the sound quality -- funny, I noticed this when I saw them in New Hampshire this summer. It was definitely a problem with the sound MIX, and not the band's playing ability. Have they recently got new people to do their mixing, or have the old guys gone deaf? :-) 7. What the title of the new album should be -- "Still Burnin'" would be good, I suppose. But, plenty of others probably would be as well. Sometimes, I don't know what inspires a band to come up with a particular album title. Obviously the title of a particular song can often be used, but certainly that's not always the case. Take "Cultosaurus Erectus" - where the HELL did someone come up with that? It's not that I dislike it, it's just that it certainly doesn't really tie in with anything on the album. IMHO, the title of the new album won't make a real difference, sales-wise -- well, maybe something like "Old Farts on Tour" would be detrimental. :-) John From CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK Mon Nov 20 13:24:56 1995 From: CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:24:56 EST Subject: Coffee / Manowar In-Reply-To: <292454310101367C@-SMF-> Message-ID: > Yep, Mark "The Animal" Mendoza played in Twisted Sister. To think that I > used to listen to those guys . . . well, they WERE fun. WERE????? The band might be dead but the music lives on...... Put on any TS album and I guarantee that within 2 minutes you'll be bouncing around the room like 2 year old and grinning like an idiot. Chris From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Mon Nov 20 08:36:29 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:36:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: Concert Comments Message-ID: >2. Buck in concert -- Buck has never been what one might call "animated" >during a show - that's Buck. He pretty much just stands and plays. He >does have a habit of bobbing his head around a bit, which apparently some >think looks like a duck (note: I doubt that a comment in jest on AOL is >gonna make Buck change something he's been doing for over 20 years). As >far as needing a psychiatrist, well I doubt it. The quiet ones though, >yeah they are always the ones you gotta watch out for . . . I recall both Buck, and Eric, being pretty animated during the famous guitar duels in Born tb Wild back in the 70's, and esp. doing the (Chuck Berry) duck walk in tandem from one side of the stage to the other. In fact, before I had even heard a note of BOC's music, it was a picture of the guitar duel that made go out and check out an album - that being Secret Treaties. >3. There ain't no "new" songs on WotT - but obviously the band is trying >to promote it. Anyone aware of a UK / European release date yet? I saw it on import in Virgin for abour 33 quid. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Nov 20 08:44:04 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:44:04 +0000 Subject: Coffee / Manowar In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:13:24 EST." <465B12B67D3@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: > > That's correct, Charlie. Ross The Boss played with the > > Dictators prior to joining Manowar. I believe he was later > > involved with Manitoba's Wild Kingdom (and Dick Manitoba was > > also a former Dictator?? I'm not an expert on this subject...) > > > > Chuck > > That's 'Handsome Dick Manitoba' to you guys. He was the singer in > the Dictators, a Pearlman/Krugman production. I never heard of Wild > Kingdom. When was this? Albums? Still in print/avail.? > theo Manitoba's Wild Kingdom album "...And You?" came out in about 90/91 ish. He was joined by most of the Dictators - Ross the Boss, Andy Shernoff (sp?) and Johnny ????. The album is pretty excellent, fast Dics type material, from the opening lines "Stop that whining/Cos you had a bad day/If you lost some weight/Ya might get laid" right through to its conclusion. A stack of references to older material (e.g. I live for cars and girls) thrown in for good measure. The album is notable for being the only full album I know of which is _shorter_ than Slayer's _Reign in Blood_ :-) it clocks at about 26 mins (9-10 songs). There was also a live Dictators album that came out about the same time. And I'm sure I saw on the upcoming release lists on alt.rock-n-roll (for what its worth) a new Dictators album sleighted for next year. Tim "Are you talkin' to *me* ???" Handsome Dick Manitoba From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Nov 20 12:30:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:30:00 PST Subject: Looking for Help from AOL Message-ID: >Adrian, >You're my hero. Tell me again, what planet are you from? >Your biggest fan, >Steve Bismol, home of Matter Eater Lad formerly of the LSH. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Nov 20 12:35:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:35:00 PST Subject: Concert Review (long) Message-ID: >yeah...they did suck...they relied heavily on the distortion and >feedback...not once did they play a clean solo to demonstrate some artistic >ability... >but I guess, that's hip nowadays! >if these guys can "play", I think I'm ready to start a band! >ROBO Curious? I thought you alrerady had a band Robo. AB From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Nov 20 09:43:58 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:43:58 -0500 Subject: BOC: Guitar duel In-Reply-To: <9511201336.AA14842@phinet.sb.com> from "CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY" at Nov 20, 95 08:36:29 am Message-ID: CHOMP! > > I recall both Buck, and Eric, being pretty animated during the famous > guitar duels in Born tb Wild back in the 70's, and esp. doing the (Chuck > Berry) duck walk in tandem from one side of the stage to the other. > > In fact, before I had even heard a note of BOC's music, it was a picture > of the guitar duel that made go out and check out an album - that being > Secret Treaties. > You must have seen the liner photo from Tyranny_&_Mutation that had the photo of Buck and Eric with guitars raised high above their heads, with the "...I was overcome..." poem on the back. What I got off on was the photo shoot for Secret_Treaties; the band in full USAAF gear, briefing for a mission (against Capt. Von Ondine?), with the tag line "Aggression unchecked is agression unleashed". Wish that I could have snagged a copy of that promo poster... > >3. There ain't no "new" songs on WotT - but obviously the band is trying > >to promote it. > > Anyone aware of a UK / European release date yet? I saw it on import in > Virgin for abour 33 quid. > > > .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com > -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 20 09:52:28 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:52:28 EST Subject: A couple comments on the BOC reviews Message-ID: > 4. BOC playing at small venues -- As much as we'd all like it, BOC can't > play the large venues anymore because their fan base is too small. Which > would you find more depressing - BOC packing a 500 seat club, or BOC > playing to 1000 in a stadium that seats 20,000? > > pray" In the meantime, go out and enjoy 'em for all you can get (and > don't forget to check out The Brain Surgeons - now THERE'S a band that > would be on top of the music world if all it took was a great band with > a great album). > used, but certainly that's not always the case. Take "Cultosaurus > Erectus" - where the HELL did someone come up with that? It's not that > I dislike it, it's just that it certainly doesn't really tie in with > anything on the album. IMHO, the title of the new album won't make > a real difference, sales-wise -- well, maybe something like "Old Farts > on Tour" would be detrimental. :-) > > John John, I too long to see BOC at the top of the heap where they belong, but we all know of the fickle-ness of the music biz--good doesn't always mean successful, and bad doesn't always sink to the bottom. In meantime, I kinda like seeing BOC in clubs. When they were playing stadiums, they were often real far away, when I couldn't get good seats. In clubs, you're right next to the band, and can see every expression on their faces. That's great. Also, at clubs, there's an excellent chance to see the band after the gig, to talk to them and thank them for the show. I've been able to talk to the band after every club gig (about 5 i think) whereas when they were superstars I never got to see the band in person. 'Cultasaurus...' was especailly bad in that the reptile depicted wasn't 'erectus,' but a quadruped. Bad title is one thing, bad English another... theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 20 10:04:45 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:04:45 -0500 Subject: BOC: Concert Comments Message-ID: Charlie writes: >I recall both Buck, and Eric, being pretty animated during the famous guitar duels in Born tb Wild back in the 70's, and esp. doing the (Chuck Berry) duck walk in tandem from one side of the stage to the other. I agree, but that stuff was basically done pretty much the same night in and night out - it was part of the show, like Buck's knuckle-cracking bit before the end of "Cities on Flame". But, most of the time Buck basically stood near the center of the stage and played. I don't have a problem with this, mind you, I'm just pointing this out. John From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Nov 20 13:35:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:35:00 PST Subject: Weak Coffee/Small Thoughts Message-ID: One small thought at a Time today - About coffee - Wish I had this special blend this morning.>Oh yeah AB, almost forgot. Bought some ass kickin' beans the other day. They were Vanilla Almond Raspberry! I grind 'em course and then I freeze 'em. Anyway, this stuff had cooked for 3 hours and it was fiiiiiiine. Poured 3 creamers in it and it still looked like hot tar. Yowza that's good! Nectar of the gods! Courtesy of Torgo! Directory - Got some more corrections today and posted them. Don't know if the problem was the service or the changes my people made thursday night but received very little list mail friday. What say we extend the deadlines from Monday and tuesday to tueesday and Wenesday. Sound ok to you Charles G.? Will send directory to your address wenesday about 4pm est. Thanks. Show Reviews - Hmmmm. Seems Dr. Bob would have been better off making the trip to Cleveland. Must give you one rasberry though Dr. Bob for not recognizing Flaming Telepaths "the jokes on you". One of my top three songs. The Silo dosen't sound like a good place to see a show. In regards to BOC playing these venues I prefer the clubs myself with the atmosphere and better access to the potty and bars. BOC does do larger venues though it depends on the show. Not that their headlining Madison Square Garden or anything but some of the festivals and rally's where they appear are out side and pretty big. Note the Cleveland review, that layout sounds a lot closer to Jaxx where I saw them and was much more comfortable. I too noticed though that BOC seems to have a problem with the vocals; it could be the audience trying to outsing the band. I know at Jaxx many sang along on every song, but that portion of their show does seem somewhat degraded. Good honest review though. Like Duane's and no I didn't get there the wife wouldn't let me go. They still haven't replaced the accoustic guitars? Does anyone know how long they have been piping that story. Didn't have them at Jaxx (Oct. 20) and still played In Thee. Guys, either buy some new ones or drop In Thee. Buck's Playing - Buck is "Da Man" and has been for many years. The great thing about Buck is that he has never really hopped around the stage acting like a beserker; I have always enfjoyed the way he just plays guitar. He's getting on in years but he could really teach so many of the younger guys the proper way to play this instrument. If Buck were to hang em up tomorrow, would Steve Vai make a good replacement? Eric's - Singing. While I love the original lienups vocals (how many bands could claim to have four qaulity lead singers) it occurred to me Friday night listening to ST that of all my favorite, no doubt about it BOC songs, Eyes does lead on all of them. I still say a Bouchard song is best done by a Bouchard, however an Eyes song can only be done by Eyes! AOL thing - O.k. so some of you played HBO commercial and didn't get it. I do as do a few others. The Hulk and Spidey will definitely win, take it to vegas. Random Access - I though Robo was in a Band. Perhaps he should have taken the opening acts guitar and started a one man gig at the Reading show. John S. has a wonderful way of planting us spacey dreamers feet back on Terra Firma with his insights to the band and their future. Definitely the right man for the FAQ ("just the FAQ's mam"). If you ever go to lurker status I promise to fly to New England and tie your fingers to the keyboard guy. Endre - Ready willing and able, just let us know. Prognotications - Ab see very well into the future and make this point about predictions. Old time friends of the band will help them flush out enough material to do an album. Some may actually play but most of it will come from impromptu jam sessions. Will happen at the annual BOC and friends picnic this summer (don't ask me what that is, just saw it in a vision o.k.). 6th member, yes this too will happen. Why? Because the new album will require Alan to devote almost full time to keyboards, Eyes to singing and yet require a caddy for Buck. It will be the same sound but Alan will not have to work as hard and the bands sound will benefit from his increased contributions on the keys. Not to flame Eyes but we know he dosen't possess the necesarry skills to caddy for Buck on Guitar and he can't play the keys, someone will have too. Save this cause you read it here first. Acer Aspire - 90 mhz, 1 gig and all the trimmings, nice. AB From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Nov 20 10:51:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:51:00 GMT Subject: A couple comments on the BOC reviews Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199511201328.IAA21993 at mbunix.mitre.org> > Take "Cultosaurus > Erectus" - where the HELL did someone come up with that? Wasn't it a pun on "Pithecanthropus Erectus"? Now, someone fill in the literary allusion, 'cause I've forgotten it :) - Andy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 20 11:09:17 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:09:17 EST Subject: Weak Coffee/Small Thoughts Message-ID: > > Buck's Playing - Buck is "Da Man" and has been for many years. The great > thing about Buck is that he has never really hopped around the stage acting > like a beserker; I have always enfjoyed the way he just plays guitar. He's > getting on in years but he could really teach so many of the younger guys > the proper way to play this instrument. If Buck were to hang em up > tomorrow, would Steve Vai make a good replacement? > > contributions on the keys. Not to flame Eyes but we know he dosen't possess > the necesarry skills to caddy for Buck on Guitar and he can't play the keys, > someone will have too. Save this cause you read it here first. > > Acer Aspire - 90 mhz, 1 gig and all the trimmings, nice. > > AB AB, Sounds like you still got some o' them beans in your system! Steve Vai? If that wanker ever wound up a full-time BOC, I'd quit listening to the band. Ever hear the lyrics on his records? Zappa R.I.P., but Steve's carrying the freak flag for ya. Also, Vai is addicted to overplaying (though an asshole, he's a great gymnast,er gtr player) while Buck is the portrait of taste and playing economy. The truly great players know that what you don't play is as important as what you do play (c.f Jeff Beck). Manny is a decent gtr player. All you need him for is rhythm playing anyway. BTW, in the old times, Eric played a lot of keys. Haven't seen them in 3 years--does he no longer play keys? He always used to be an okay keyboardist, and again, all he'd have to do is fill in while Allen kicks ass. Personally, I lke the group as is. Why introduce some new dynamic when you already have near perfection? Total perfection, of course, whould be a reunion... theo From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Mon Nov 20 08:34:48 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:34:48 +0000 Subject: OFF: alt.music.planet-gong -Reply Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the '77 album is called _Live Floating Anarchy '77_ then I love that one. Of course, the recommended starting point for GonG has to be the legendary _Radio Gnome Invisible Part 1: Flying Teapot_. That, and the followup, _Angels Egg_. Btw, another one to look out for is Steve Hillage's _Fish Rising_. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Yeah, have another one, Floating Anarchy you should love, similarly all the others above, AND ALSO the prelude to RGI pt1, Camembert Electric and the third (fourth?) part of the invisible trilogy, You (featuring the Glorious Om Riff, aka Magick Mother Invocation, also reappearing on Hillfish's Green thing ooh-er) in a spacey, floaty tripped out way... ObLps:Vibrasonic - same (ooh the electric prunes never sounded so good) Astralasia - Whatever happened to utopia Knights of the Occasional Table - Planet Sweet The Fall - totale's turn From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Mon Nov 20 13:07:47 1995 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:07:47 -0600 Subject: OFF: alt.music.planet-gong In-Reply-To: <951120072612_86693574@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Nov 1995 RJPXR5 at AOL.COM wrote: > this is actually a trilogy- > "magick brother,mystic sister"-from ???(my copy says 86, but...) > "you"= their best studio,from 74 > "angels egg"-from 73 > feel free to correct me if you think i'm wrong..rj OK... Flying Teapot (1972) Angel's Egg (73) YOU (74) I believe that MBMS is Gong's first NON-official album, that is, recorded before Camembert Electrique. I could still be wrong, though. :) Damon Capehart | UTD Student Govt. Assoc., Communications Committee; dcapehar at utdallas.edu | Society of Physics Students From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 20 14:34:26 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:34:26 +0000 Subject: A couple comments on the BOC reviews In-Reply-To: <199511201328.IAA21993@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Nov 20, 95 08:28:58 am Message-ID: > 6. Comments on the sound quality -- funny, I noticed this when I saw > them in New Hampshire this summer. It was definitely a problem with > the sound MIX, and not the band's playing ability. Have they recently > got new people to do their mixing, or have the old guys gone deaf? :-) Do they even _have_ their own soundman who tours with them? > Take "Cultosaurus > Erectus" - where the HELL did someone come up with that? It's not that > I dislike it, it's just that it certainly doesn't really tie in with > anything on the album. Well, I like it as a title simply because its euphonious and is slightly unsettling ("A *what*saurus whatus!?" :) I think the best album titles should do that and tie into the nature of feeling of the album in some way without referencing a particular song. I'm waiting to see what happens with "Evil Banquet in Darkness", my all time favoritie as yet unattached title :) (Unless I get to it first--keep working Brain Surgeons! :) Cheers, Carl From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 20 13:42:19 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:42:19 GMT Subject: Cultosaurus Erectus In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:51:00 GMT Message-ID: > > Take "Cultosaurus > > Erectus" - where the HELL did someone come up with that? > > Wasn't it a pun on "Pithecanthropus Erectus"? Now, someone fill in the > literary allusion, 'cause I've forgotten it :) > Oh - interesting allusion. Would this be from the time there was all that fuss about early man and his origins in the plains of Africa and outside this? Pithecanthropus was the fossil type of early man that was found in Java and really upset everyone 'cos up until that point everyone thought that only Africa had early human remains and folk got a bit uptight about whether this fossil was a separate line that had come extinct or was related to the African species line or not. Can't remember what was decided in the end - I think it turned out to be young enough to have been part of the first African exodus with that line becoming extinct. Anyone? In fact, now I come to think about it they've discovered even older fossil types in China now which will mean another rethink of the African exodus episodes I guess. jill (Hawkwind fan but continually surprised, and impressed, by the range of BOC allusions that keep occurring!) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 20 13:49:35 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:49:35 GMT Subject: Looking for Hassan 7" and Japan LPs In-Reply-To: Derrick Chilton's message of Mon, 13 Nov 1995 11:54:06 GMT Message-ID: > >> While speaking to my friend Mike Coleman tonight, he mentioned that > >> he is particularly looking for a few items. He offered to buy or > >> make a beaucoup trade for any of the following: > >> > >> HW Hassan i Sahba 7" (Italian) > >> HW Hassan i Sahba 7" (French) > > > > > >so is everyone this side of Alpha Centauri..... > > Is the Italian version the one which was part of an E.P and booklet set??? > I have that one but it's not for sale :-( > Regrettably not - that one was a free issue with Vinylie (spelling?) magazine and I've got that too! The Italian and French issues were genuine 45rpm releases with (I think) QS&C sleeves (mini version). Can't remember what the flip sides were (see discog) but next time anyone is on holiday in Italy or France it might be worth scanning through whatever the nearest record shop is holding in its back rooms! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 20 14:06:52 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:06:52 GMT Subject: HW: Gig Reviews In-Reply-To: Paul G Ward's message of Fri, 17 Nov 1995 21:48:34 +1100 Message-ID: > > I've just started to build a HW Gig Review page ... trouble is, I > have very little material to put there (apart from the recent posts > about the Brixton All-nighter). > > Surely some fine boc-l'er out there has an archive they'd be willing > to search through? > Are you still looking for these or have folk managed to supply you with sufficient? I've had to dump most of my review collection over the years each time my available space area fills with junk (sigh - just where *are* the Spaceway Maintenance Men when you need them....). Anyhow I've still got the Hawkwind US 95 tour comments and most of Nik Turner's first US tour and a Hawkwind Barrowlands 94 review if these are of any use - though I might have to ask permission of a few folk before making their comments too open to public scrutiny 8-)))) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Nov 20 15:03:54 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:03:54 -0500 Subject: Weak Coffee/Small Thoughts Message-ID: Coffee - I have 2 cups of instant coffee before I do anything...I am not a diehard, as I stick the instant coffee in the mug, fill 'er up with H2O and pop it in the microwave for a minute-and-twenty ROBOband - "Salamander Drake" was formed by a dude named Barry and myself...one of his friends was going to play drums, but hell, I haven't seen him since the summer...meanwhile, Barry is playing in a band called Foxfire, and Barry and I still jam in his studio and we have a few recorded tunes on his 8 Track...when Salamander Drake surfaces out of the garage, I'll keep ya posted...right now we are like "2 Idiots and a Lampshade"...(a real local band with 2 members...one on the acoustic {he used to play in a local band called "BackTalk"} and the other on violin...they usually bring along a prop {the lampshade} and their name can change from week to week...2 Idiots and A Painting of Elvis....) ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Nov 20 15:06:08 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:06:08 -0500 Subject: A couple comments on the BOC reviews Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-20 08:33:21 EST, you write: >Take "Cultosaurus >Erectus" - where the HELL did someone come up with that? It's not that >I dislike it, it's just that it certainly doesn't really tie in with >anything on the album. when I hear the name Cultosaurus Erectus, I think of something big and heavy, which I also associate with the music on that album...the heaviest album BOC ever did... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Nov 20 15:06:00 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:06:00 -0500 Subject: Concert Review (long) Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-20 09:42:11 EST, you write: >Curious? I thought you alrerady had a band Robo. >AB yeah, in a garage...not anything I'd feel comfortable playing onstage with at this point...I guess we could take the stage as a Punk band and kick up the distortion and try to fool the passive drunks in the audience, but that's not my style... ROBO From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Nov 20 15:41:29 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:41:29 +0100 Subject: Spacious Mind, darXtar & Uncle Nik Message-ID: >> One of the abso-frickin-lootly most mind-blowing releases I've >> heard this year was from Sweden's The Spacious Mind. I have picked >> up "Cosmic Minds at Play" (OUTSTANDING) and "Inorganic Mind >> Solution" (some great parts, not as consistent). >> >> I see in Goldmine somebody listing another release called "Sleepy >> Eyes and Butterflies" (2LP). Has anybody seen/heard this? Is it >> available on CD?! I assume this (like the other two) is also a >> Sweden-only import. Hi folks, I've finally spoken to the boss of GARAGELAND, and this is the prices I got: (I've also taken the advantage of putting out the darXtar catalouge, as I think they've deserved it) Spacious Mind: Cosmic Mind at Play - CD - 100 Inorganic Mind Solution - CD - 100 Sleepy Eyes and Butterflies - 2LP - 150 - (a few tracks was previously released) Sailing the Seagoat - CD - 100 - (forthcoming album, released in about 2 weeks) darXtar: s/t - CD - 100 Darker - CD - 100 - out of print, but a few ex found! (Your Last Chance CD :o) Daybreak - CD - 100 Sju - CD - 100 - about to be released All prices is what I have to pay in local currency SEK. GBP 1 = c:a 10.15 - USD 1 = c:a 6.55 This prices would not include p&p, (but good package is free for me, and someone mentioned a "communal overseas purchase") OK. Do your orders now - I don't think you're going to find these items cheaper So far you're five in the US, one in the UK - and me who's interested. btw, darXtar is going to play one gig with our friend, old Nik Turner. This event is going to be held in Jonkoping - southern Sweden - Saturday the 16th December. Setlist would be (only) early Hawkwind tracks - mostly Turner tunes, but a few Brock's will also appear. Soren Bengtsson of darXtar has promised they're going to play the music as close the original takings as possible. If this event will feels good for both parts, Nik want to play European (Nordic?) festivals in the summer of 1996 together with darXtar. (...Nordik NikWind?) \\joe\in a cold and wintery Sweden From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Nov 20 16:02:11 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:02:11 -0500 Subject: AOL Chat Logs Message-ID: Respond only if you are interested, to either of me Email addresses: nstk33a at prodigy.com or ROBODUDE at aol.com I just wanted to know if there is a significant interest from BOC fans here on the L in retrieving copies of the BOC AOL chat logs from the Underbelly...these logs can be pretty informative as Eric and Buck participate in them along with Bolle and Melne...they can also be at times downright silly.... if there is little interest, then there is obviously no point in going thru the trouble of uploading these to the site...the avg log is about 60K...the chats I show up in are usually around 100K : } also, would Bryce Baker send me an E so I can get in touch...don't have your Email address... thanx ROBO From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Nov 20 16:15:09 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:15:09 EST Subject: Spacious Mind, darXtar & Uncle Nik Message-ID: So Hawkjoe, as I understand it, 100 SEK = 15.27 US$ ? For just over 15 bucks apiece (plus postage), I will take all 4 Darxtar releases, plus the new Spacious Mind CD ("Seagoat"), plus the Sp.Mind "Sleepy Eyes" 2LP. These are great prices! Americanos interested in either of these groups, you will NOT find a cheaper price in THIS country! :-) Now, I'm just waiting to see if the postage adds prohibitively. Of course, increasing the purchase volume will bring the p&h per CD down somewhat... Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From eqshw.blauchno at EMAIL.STATE.UT.US Mon Nov 20 17:05:49 1995 From: eqshw.blauchno at EMAIL.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:05:49 -0700 Subject: AOL Chat Logs -Reply Message-ID: >I just wanted to know if there is a significant interest from BOC fans >here on the L in retrieving copies of the BOC AOL chat logs from the >Underbelly...these logs can be pretty informative as Eric and Buck >participate in them along with Bolle and Melne...they can also be > at times downright silly.... Sounds like a good idea. I'd like to suggest that maybe the size could be cut a bit if they were posted in smaller chunks (say 20k or so) and numbered. If that's o.k. with you ROBO. I would be surprised if anyone DOESN'T want to see them :) Brad Brad Lauchnor blauchno at email.state.ut.us Environmental Engineer (801) 538-9403 Chemical Demilitarization Salt Lake City, Utah Utah Department of Environmental Quality From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Nov 20 20:16:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:16:00 PST Subject: AOL Chat Logs Message-ID: Count me in as Interested. Just another fine feature to be found on Underbelly. AB Respond only if you are interested, to either of me Email addresses: nstk33a at prodigy.com or ROBODUDE at aol.com I just wanted to know if there is a significant interest from BOC fans here on the L in retrieving copies of the BOC AOL chat logs from the Underbelly...these logs can be pretty informative as Eric and Buck participate in them along with Bolle and Melne...they can also be at times downright silly.... if there is little interest, then there is obviously no point in going thru the trouble of uploading these to the site...the avg log is about 60K...the chats I show up in are usually around 100K : } also, would Bryce Baker send me an E so I can get in touch...don't have your Email address... thanx ROBO From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 20 17:35:34 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:35:34 -0500 Subject: Manowar Message-ID: Mark "the Animal" Mendoza (later of Twisted Sister) was also a Dictator. Others have come and gone...but without vocalist Handsome Dick Manitoba, there were no Dictators... in fact, there still are Dictators, from time to time... all but original drummer Richie Teeter (who they've never forgiven for leaving in the first place) reconvene for ocasional one-off gigs and tours...most recently, in Australia... -DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 20 17:36:16 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:36:16 -0500 Subject: Looking for Help from AOL Message-ID: Well, do you have any pepto? Steve might be sick... From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Nov 20 18:48:32 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:48:32 -0700 Subject: BOC: Concert Comments In-Reply-To: <199511201504.KAA09934@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, John A Swartz wrote: > Charlie writes: > > >I recall both Buck, and Eric, being pretty animated during the famous > guitar duels in Born tb Wild back in the 70's, and esp. doing the (Chuck > Berry) duck walk in tandem from one side of the stage to the other. > > > I agree, but that stuff was basically done pretty much the same night in > and night out - it was part of the show, like Buck's knuckle-cracking bit > before the end of "Cities on Flame". But, most of the time Buck basically > stood near the center of the stage and played. I don't have a problem > with this, mind you, I'm just pointing this out. > > John > BUCK LETS THE MUSIC DOO THE TALKING; HE AIN"T NO DANM POSER!!!! Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Nov 20 21:19:58 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:19:58 -0500 Subject: Concert Review (long) In-Reply-To: from "Robert Kohl" at Nov 18, 95 12:15:08 pm Message-ID: Robert Kohl writes: > Also, for whatever reason, the musical sound quality suffered (again, > probably because of the venue). I found myself thinking that a CD has > superior sound quality compared to this. Granted that in a CD, you don't get > the energy and unique performance differences of a live show, but if this is > as good as the sound quality gets, than I'll sit back with a good CD version. Well, I'm inclined to side with Venom on this one. They put things nicely into perspective on their _Venom Live: Official Bootleg_ album. I don't remember the exact words, but near the start Cronos is berating the audience; something along the lines of, "I'm sure there are people in the audience just waiting for Venom to fuck up. Well I've just got one thing to say to them: if you want to hear perfect Venom, stay at home and listen to your fucking LPs you miserable bastards..." etc. I normally find that the artists pale in comparison on CD compared with their live performances, when I get home and listen to the CDs I bought at the gig. It's often quite a let-down. The better sound quality just doesn't cut it for me. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Allman Brothers Band, _The Fillmore Concerts_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Tue Nov 21 06:48:11 1995 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 06:48:11 EST Subject: Spacious mind, Darxtar & Uncle Nik Message-ID: Greetings friends ! Joe wrote about Darxtar & Uncle Nik: It was OK Joe, perhaps we also should mention about the man responsible for this great concert ? It's Evert Wysell and as you mentioned in your previous mail he want to arrange more gigs with both Darxtar and Nik. For those of you interested to see the gig 16/12 please contact Evert at # 46-36-174858. If you like to talk about music this is the guy to talk with, he knows everything it seems. To Joe; We must eat at restaurant Amadeus as they support this event. Please let me know if you will be alone, you can always travel with us from Stockholm. Evert will also supply me with a detailed map so we can find all important record-stores in the city. Cheers Henrik From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Nov 21 07:23:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:23:00 EST Subject: BOC: Cultasaurus Erectus Revealed Message-ID: I'll make one of my rare forays into the Oyster zone. The title probably does not refer to some ancient hominid. Too high brow for one thing and the saurus part is a definite reptile reference. They could have done a much better job if that was their intent. Besides, drugs, archeology and rock&roll never caught on. Robo's take of powerful heavy beasts that walk and play upright is a good literal interpretation. The cover art steers that way. However, this title always struck me as a very clever innuendo. It doesn't take much twisting to read it: Cult of Soreus Erectus (the group inflicted with an overuse syndrome oft aspired to). A sly way to say the ladies have been very good to the Oysterboys. This was around the time of peak popularity for the group and activity of groupies. More in keeping with their humor and the spirit of rock music. Bang a gong, get it on. When my mind isn't in space with Hawkwind, it's in the gutter. Rudy PS - I've run the simulations dozens of times and 1) Superman beats the Hulk and 2) the Prepube of Steel crushes the wall crawler. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 21 08:01:56 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:01:56 EST Subject: AOL Chat Logs -Reply Message-ID: > >I just wanted to know if there is a significant interest from BOC fans > >here on the L in retrieving copies of the BOC AOL chat logs from the > >Underbelly...these logs can be pretty informative as Eric and Buck > >participate in them along with Bolle and Melne...they can also be > > at times downright silly.... > > Sounds like a good idea. I'd like to suggest that maybe the size could be > cut a bit if they were posted in smaller chunks (say 20k or so) and > numbered. If that's o.k. with you ROBO. > > I would be surprised if anyone DOESN'T want to see them :) > > Brad > > Brad Lauchnor blauchno at email.state.ut.us > Environmental Engineer (801) 538-9403 > Chemical Demilitarization Salt Lake City, Utah > Utah Department of Environmental Quality Brad, Please do post them!!!!!!!!!!!!! theo From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 21 07:33:16 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:33:16 GMT Subject: Looking for Hassan 7" and Japan LPs In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:49:35 GMT Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > > >> While speaking to my friend Mike Coleman tonight, he mentioned that > > >> he is particularly looking for a few items. He offered to buy or > > >> make a beaucoup trade for any of the following: > > >> > > >> HW Hassan i Sahba 7" (Italian) > > >> HW Hassan i Sahba 7" (French) > > > > > > > > >so is everyone this side of Alpha Centauri..... > > > > Is the Italian version the one which was part of an E.P and booklet set??? > > I have that one but it's not for sale :-( > > > > Regrettably not - that one was a free issue with Vinylie (spelling?) > magazine and I've got that too! The Italian and French issues > were genuine 45rpm releases with (I think) QS&C sleeves (mini > version). Can't remember what the flip sides were On the Italian one it was the guitar part of "Damnation Alley" and on the French one it was "Fable of a Failed Race". Both releases were on the Charisma label. Apparently there were so many around at the time that they threw them at audiances on the British tour in 1977. I wonder what happened to them all? > (see discog) but > next time anyone is on holiday in Italy or France it might be worth > scanning through whatever the nearest record shop is holding in its > back rooms! Absolutely! These would be *VERY* tradeable items. > jill Mike "I don't have them either :'-(" Holmes From SWELTON at VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE Tue Nov 21 14:10:15 1995 From: SWELTON at VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE (Sebastian Welton) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:10:15 EWT Subject: Another Cover Version Message-ID: I get the NME about a week late here but reading through the singles review I noticed that there's a new cover version of Silver Machine released. It's the b-side of a single just released by The Mystics on Fontana records. Cheers Seb S.J.Welton MVS & VM Operations and Automation Analyst ECNOD/CS/MGCS European Space Operations Centre (ESA), 64293 Darmstadt, Deutschland SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET | DE27PSNP at IBMMAIL | Telephone ++49 6151 902570 C=DE;A=DBP;O=ESOC;S=WELTON;G=SEBASTIAN site=ESOC username=SWELTON From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 21 08:24:55 1995 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:24:55 +0000 Subject: Looking for Hassan 7" and Japan LPs Message-ID: >J Strobridge writes: > >> > >> While speaking to my friend Mike Coleman tonight, he mentioned >>that >> > >> he is particularly looking for a few items. He offered to buy or >> > >> make a beaucoup trade for any of the following: >> > >> >> > >> HW Hassan i Sahba 7" (Italian) >> > >> HW Hassan i Sahba 7" (French) >> > > >> > > >> > >so is everyone this side of Alpha Centauri..... >> > >> > Is the Italian version the one which was part of an E.P and booklet set??? >> > I have that one but it's not for sale :-( >> > >> >> Regrettably not - that one was a free issue with Vinylie (spelling?) >> magazine and I've got that too! The Italian and French issues >> were genuine 45rpm releases with (I think) QS&C sleeves (mini >> version). Can't remember what the flip sides were > >On the Italian one it was the guitar part of "Damnation Alley" and on >the French one it was "Fable of a Failed Race". Both releases were on >the Charisma label. Apparently there were so many around at the time >that they threw them at audiances on the British tour in 1977. I wonder >what happened to them all? > >> (see discog) but >> next time anyone is on holiday in Italy or France it might be worth >> scanning through whatever the nearest record shop is holding in its >> back rooms! > >Absolutely! These would be *VERY* tradeable items. > >> jill > >Mike "I don't have them either :'-(" Holmes I've got the French Version. But on this subject does any know why the single release of Who's Gonna Win The War (the Charisma Version) has two differently coloured centres, I forget the exact colours. Also on this theme the first Freinds and Relations volume came in a White Sleeve as well as a Grey(silver?) sleeve..strange. So did the Motorhead/Valium 10 12inch.... Derrick... --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. --------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 21 08:36:32 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:36:32 +0000 Subject: Spacious Mind, darXtar & Uncle Nik In-Reply-To: <9511202041.AA27625@sonor> from "Johan Edlundh" at Nov 20, 95 09:41:29 pm Message-ID: > darXtar: > s/t - CD - 100 > Darker - CD - 100 - out of print, but a few ex found! (Your Last Chance CD :o) > Sju - CD - 100 - about to be released Ah! Ah! I will gladly pay whatever form of compensation works out best for these! Mark down another one from the UK interested! > If this event will feels good for both parts, Nik want to play European > (Nordic?) festivals in the summer of 1996 together with darXtar. (...Nordik > NikWind?) That would be cool! Cheers, Carl ********************************************************************** Carl Edlund Anderson ASNAC Dept., Cambridge U. cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk ********************************************************************** From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 21 08:43:03 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:43:03 +0000 Subject: BOC: Cultasaurus Erectus Revealed In-Reply-To: <30B1399B@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Nov 21, 95 07:23:00 am Message-ID: > When my mind isn't in space with Hawkwind, it's in the gutter. It's all those scooped-mid guitar tones of heavy rock ... Cheers, Carl From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Nov 21 08:51:08 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:51:08 GMT Subject: BOC: Cultasaurus Erectus Revealed In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Tue, 21 Nov 1995 07:23:00 EST Message-ID: > Besides, drugs, archeology and rock&roll never caught on. Er, Stonehenge? Dave. From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue Nov 21 08:55:45 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:55:45 -0500 Subject: BOC: Concert Comments In-Reply-To: from "jean l delacour" at Nov 20, 95 04:48:32 pm Message-ID: jean l delacour writes: > [ in response to a post that said nothing derogatory about Buck ] > > BUCK LETS THE MUSIC DOO THE TALKING; HE AIN"T NO DANM POSER!!!! > Thank you for that brilliant insight, you have really cleared things up for all of us. Could you repeat it again, a little louder, for the folks in the back? I'd suggest using a few more exlamation marks - they really help add weight and substance to your argument. Steve From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Nov 21 12:25:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:25:00 PST Subject: BOC: Cultasaurus Erectus Revealed - Good Argument Message-ID: >I'll make one of my rare forays into the Oyster zone. The title probably >does not refer to some ancient hominid. Too high brow for one thing and the >saurus part is a definite reptile reference. They could have done a much >better job if that was their intent. Besides, drugs, archeology and >rock&roll never caught on. >Robo's take of powerful heavy beasts that walk and play upright is a good >literal interpretation. The cover art steers that way. >However, this title always struck me as a very clever innuendo. It doesn't >take much twisting to read it: Cult of Soreus Erectus (the group inflicted >with an overuse syndrome oft aspired to). A sly way to say the ladies have >been very good to the Oysterboys. This was around the time of peak >popularity for the group and activity of groupies. More in keeping with >their humor and the spirit of rock music. Bang a gong, get it on. All of these arguments are way too intelligent for me. Perhaps the band was trying to mainitain some type of link to Godzilla. Interesting that one of their most commercially sucessful songs has never been captured graphically on an album cover or has it? >When my mind isn't in space with Hawkwind, it's in the gutter. >Rudy >PS - I've run the simulations dozens of times and 1) Superman beats the Hulk >and 2) the Prepube of Steel crushes the wall crawler. Get a new cpu my friend. Experience over youth and if Doomsday can kick your fanny from here to eternity all those space powers won't do squat against a stiff upper cut. Politically this one is probably already written in stone (i.e,. lets not let our biggest stars, read Peter and Clark, lose). Bruce will kick Steve's butt but good. AB From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Nov 21 09:30:51 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:30:51 -0500 Subject: TAB: Paging Digger Dan Message-ID: trying to figure out "I'm On the Lamb But I Ain't No Sheep" would like a second opinion / = slide up intro (the line that's played thruout the song) e b g 2 0 d 2 2 / 4 2 4 a 0 3 e then the other guitar that sounds like Creems "Strange Brew" G / A C G It's All Right D C G outro e b g d a 0-0 3 0-0 e 0-3 (then it sounds like they're strummin a C chord or only the C&E together) ROBO on the stun guitar! : } From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Nov 21 09:36:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:36:00 EST Subject: Mid-tone madness Message-ID: >> When my mind isn't in space with Hawkwind, it's in the gutter. > It's all those scooped-mid guitar tones of heavy rock ... >Cheers, >Carl Could be, although bass is involved too. I've been repeatedly subjecting myself to "Shot Down in the Night" from _Do Not Panic_ and I can't get the chorus (and its little bass runs) from just before the guitar break out of my head. The little, sort of screamed, vocal echoes without end. The guitar wail just augers it home as my thoughts degenerate from words to distorted tones. Rudy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Nov 21 09:37:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:37:00 EST Subject: What did I drink? Message-ID: >> Besides, drugs, archeology and rock&roll never caught on. >Er, Stonehenge? >Dave. That's druids, archeology and rock&roll. From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Nov 21 10:11:52 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:11:52 -0500 Subject: BOC: Cultasaurus Erectus Revealed Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-21 07:33:31 EST, you write: >Cult of Soreus Erectus (the group inflicted >with an overuse syndrome oft aspired to). A sly way to say the ladies have >been very good to the Oysterboys. This was around the time of peak >popularity for the group and activity of groupies. More in keeping with >their humor and the spirit of rock music. Bang a gong, get it on. > > ha! too many Dizbusters in their day, eh? ...when duster's dust becomes the sale.... ROBO From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Nov 21 13:10:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:10:00 PST Subject: Weak Coffee/Small Thoughts Message-ID: >AB, >Sounds like you still got some o' them beans in your system! Steve >Vai? If that wanker ever wound up a full-time BOC, I'd quit >listening to the band. > Personally, I lke the group as is. Why >introduce some new dynamic when you already have near perfection? >Total perfection, of course, whould be a reunion... >theo Hmmm. don't know much about Vai really except for a few songs where he has exhibited a lot of skill. Course that dosen't matter if your a jerk. Skill wise if he just concentrated on doing his part and not overplaying he could probably do it. Now a guy like Gary Hoey could do the Buck thing easily, though I don't think BOC's music or style would appeal to him. As for Eyes and Alan, again when I listen over and over to msome of my favorite BOC songs, Eyes always seems to be doing the vocals and Alan can be heard on the keys. I feel that this is what each does best and should do more. Eyes will never be confused with some of the great rythm/supporting guitarist but you can't argue with his vocal skills. Now at the risk of starting a thread that may not end I'll toss out the following points: This band misses the Bouchard brothers. Yes this has been said many times and of course the band will never be the same musically, it couldn't possibly be unless you reunited the original members which is never going to happen. Danny and John have really increased the energy level of the rythm section, Danny in particular was much better than when I saw John Rodgers, John was good but Dannny was phenomonal. However, Al & Joe's songs just don't sound as good without there vocals. Eyes voice is unique to his songs as Buck's are to his, but neither of these guys is capable of doing a Bouchard song the way I'm accustomed to hearing it. With that in mind I think they should concentrate on Buck and Eyes songs as well as some newer ones, See you in Black, Harvest Moon, the ones that are already part of the set. A third person on vocal would also help as I did not see anyone else doing vocals other than Buck and Eyes. Style and muscianship aside the vocals are what separated BOC from other bands like Kiss and Aerosmith in their heyday. I think they need another vocalist preferrably one who is very adept at rythm guitar. Again Alan is decent and Eyes poses pretty good, but if you can't get the full range of vocals then improve the harmonics, get Buck a playmate. The setlist could probably use some adjustment also. That is another common thought on this line and maybe one of the reasons it remains pretty static is because of a lack of ability to play some of the other numbers due to vocal and playing limitations. The current group would be better if they were six instead of five. A world of Fantasy - Rudy's mind may be in the gutter when not in space but my orbits at 22,300 miles all the time. Hows this for a fantasy. Yours truly becomes an overnight sensation, everyone wants an appearance. Lorne Michaels calls and offers a guest host shot on SNL. Willing to pay the standard fee. "Well Ab will you host the show?" "Not sure Lorne, the layout sounds fine and the fee is acceptable but you haven't told me who the musical guest will be." "We have a couple of things going, looking at Bush, Presidents of the United States and Elastica." "What?, are you kidding me? I'm not going to introduce any of those dorks. No way. You want me on the show I name the musical guest." "Can't do that. In all my years no one has ever pulled rank on the music." "Oh really Lorne? I was awake in the late 70's and early 80's and seem to recall a situation where Walter Mathau made this really nice speech about music and what his interests were. He wanted some opera and had requested Garret Morris sing one of his favorites. It came off like a skit until Garrett belted out some fine tones, at that point even the audience realized this was no joke." "So whats your point?" "You want me you gotta have my band play, not two songs they get three." "Three? We don't have room for three songs. And who the hell do you weant anyway?" "Get me BOC and cut out that last skit, twas weak to begin with." "Who? You mean Blue Oyster Cult? Aren't those guys dead or something?" "No Lorne they still crank. Get them and get them fast." "OK if they are available then we'll get BOC. Cripes my ratings are really gonna suffer now, kids won't know these guys." "Let me worry about the ratings just promote the band along with my name and you are going to get one of the top rated shows in SNL history. MTV will be unplugged that night I tell you." Lorne gets BOC. The band does three songs Don't Fear the Reaper, I want to See You In Black and Subhuman. Subhuman mesmerizes the studio and veiwing audiences. There is a run on ST( it and OYFOOYK go double paltinum) and a great clamor for new BOC material. Sony lays tons of money at BOC's feet. Ab gives up his rocketing acting career to take guitar lessons from Buck and becomes the sixth member of the worlds most popular band. The End From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 21 09:57:14 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:57:14 GMT Subject: Nethawk tshirts Message-ID: All of these went out today except the ones that I still have to pack other goodies into. Let me know when you get 'em. FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 21 10:04:20 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:04:20 GMT Subject: What did I drink? In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:37:00 EST Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > >> Besides, drugs, archeology and rock&roll never caught on. > > >Er, Stonehenge? > > >Dave. > > That's druids, archeology and rock&roll. Having been at some of the Stonehenge festivals: you're both right ;-) FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 21 10:02:27 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:02:27 GMT Subject: 1980 lineup changes. Message-ID: JIll and I were discussing this over a pint or five last night. I'd noticed that on my Preston 1980 tape, Moorcock recites "Warriors on the Edge" to the tune of "Spirit of the Age". Weird but very effective. Anyway, the synth still sounds like it's Blake playing, but Jill claimed from Bernhard's work, that he'd left by then. Yet strangely my tape of Guildford on 31/10/80 which was after Preston, has "Waiting for Nati" and "Lighthouse" on it. Does anyone have any details of the Blake/Twink/Hale changes and does anyone have tracklists for any of their tapes from the 1980 autumn UK tour? FoFP From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Nov 21 10:38:33 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:38:33 -0500 Subject: AOL Chat Logs -Reply Message-ID: I'm sorry but I have no wish to receive large volumes of BOC chat from AOL. Please could you make other arrangements for distributing these other than to everyone on the list Thank you Martyn From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Nov 21 14:00:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:00:00 PST Subject: AOL Chat Logs -Reply Message-ID: > I'm sorry but I have no wish to receive large volumes >of BOC chat from AOL. Please could you make other arrangements >for distributing these other than to everyone on the list >Thank you >Martyn I think Robo's plans call for the chat logs to be available on Underbelly On-Line, not the list. If I'm wrong then I vote with you, not on the list. AB From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Nov 21 11:09:27 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:09:27 -0500 Subject: Foot Da TAB: Paging Digger Dan2 Message-ID: also trying to figure out She's As Beautiful As A Foot e b g 9999999 77 (2 X) |4 7 5 4 | 4 d | 7| 5 7 5 a 5 e I should at least have the last note right! : } then, towards the end it sounds like: She's As Beautiful, whoa so beautiful D Am e b 4 7 5 4 7 9 7 5 g d a e Beautiful As A Foot C D e b g 4 7 5 4 d a 55555555 e She heard someone say (she heard someone say) D Am C the other day D ROBO From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Tue Nov 21 09:54:57 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:54:57 EST Subject: Oh We Have Coffee! Message-ID: Taking a cue from AB, ROBO, et. al., I fired up the 4 cup mini-brewer this morning here in the office while reading my digest. Hadn't used it in a long time, but since joining this list I have a strange urge for the stuff. Dumped in an extra tablespoon or two and I'm ready to go. John S. writes: >>>stuff deleted<<< As far as needing a psychiatric, well I doubt it. >>>stuff deleted<<< Well, perhaps I ought to go back to the smiley faces. Naah. This was said sort of tongue-in-cheek. >>>stuff deleted<<< Which would you find more depressing-BOC packing a 500 seat club, or BOC playing to 1000 in a stadium that seats 20,000? >>>stuff deleted<<< For my money, I'll take the stadium. Give me 50 ft. Godzillas, and Harleys on stage! Wouldn't depress me at all unless I wasn't one of the 1000. >>>stuff deleted<<< There are probably thousands of absolutely fantastic albums out there that failed miserably. >>>stuff deleted<<< I agree. Right on! Hence one of the ironic dichotomys of the music biz: If a song makes the top 40 charts, it is likely to sell more albums, right? However, since I know many folks like myself who think that 99% of top 40 pop stuff is junk, its tough to catch that 1% of good stuff when flipping through the stations on the radio. Another irony, what about those of us who prefer classic rock stations? Theoretically, we would NEVER hear any new material, yet I'm already hearing hits from REM, STP and stuff on the classic rock station that I usually listen to. I'm not complaining, just confused. So the question: What makes a classic? (See, drinking coffee while in these contemplative moods is a dangerous thing) >>>stuff deleted<<< There's the issue of the record company promoting the band and the album. And, I believe that is what is going on in the music world (i.e. what's hot and what's not) has alot to do with it. >>>stuff deleted<<< I agree. Well said! Its just a shame that the so-called decision makers make what I think are alot of bad decisions. I reference my discussion with the buyer from "The Wall" in a previous post as an example. There is nothing better that I'd like to do than start with middle management, follow the strings up to the ivory tower (Triumph reference here) and have a good talk with the "authorities" on what's hot and what's not. Apparently, it takes more than the wallet to get through to these guys. >>>stuff deleted<<< It was definitely a problem with the sound MIX, and not the band's playing ability. >>>stuff deleted<<< I agree. I thought that's what I said. Here is a band with oodles of energy that could wipe out a stadium, and they have "Mixmaster DJ Jazzy Deaf" for a sound man. I still think the acustics of the venue have something to do with it also, and I guess that ultimately, its the band's fault for not sounding so good since they chose that venue (i.e.-clubs) which does NOT take advantage of their potential. A word here to those that may have been upset with my honest opinion of the concert. When your favorite band sets high standards by musically kicking your ass, and then, in later appearances does not live up to that standard, the review is going to be percieved as negative. But is that the fault of the reviewer who was given those high standards by the band in the first place? (extra gulp of java to contemplate this) I think that BOC on a bad day is better than almost any other band I can think of on a good day, but that doesn't mean that I have to settle for mediocrity. Theo writes: >>>stuff deleted<<< I kinda like seeing BOC in clubs. When they were playing stadiums, they were often real far away, when I couldn't get good seats. In clubs, you're right next to the band, and can see every expression on their faces. Also, at clubs, there's an excellent chance to see the band after the gig to talk to them and thank them for the show >>>stuff deleted<<< No doubt that these are advantages. But I think it would be cool to be among the 1000 in that empty stadium (in the hypothetical example above) where you'd still get to be up close...and get the Harley on stage...and get Godzilla blazing away. Congratulatory messages could be sent via e-mail. AB writes: >>>stuff deleted<<< Must give you one raspberry though, Dr. Bob, for not recognizing Flaming Telepaths "the joke's on you." >>>stuff deleted<<< Must give you one opportunity to kiss my ass though, AB, for not recognizing that I was reading blurred, runny writing from a soda-stained napkin and that my memory falters when my ears are still ringing 2 days after a concert. Just kidding, bro, you know I'm just joshing. Seriously, though, I'll try not to let it happen again. :-) <-----how the hell did that get there!!! >>>stuff deleted<<< Good honest review though. >>>stuff deleted<<< Why, thanks, bro-san! Paul writes: >>>stuff deleted<<< I normally find that artists pale in comparison on CD compared with their live performances. >>>stuff deleted<<< I agree 99.9% But if the mixmaster is from the school for the deaf, I'll still take the CD. Well, the coffee is almost gone, so just a few miscellaneous thoughts: 1. ROBO, was that you in the white BOC shirt with blue sleeves at The Silo? 2. AB, the package arrived this a.m. Also, now that you have your PC at home, be careful, its more addictive than video games when we were kids. Don't forget your family. -Dr. Bob rkohl at state.de.us From stenger at MATH.UAKRON.EDU Tue Nov 21 11:27:05 1995 From: stenger at MATH.UAKRON.EDU (Ed Stenger) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:27:05 -0500 Subject: BOC Review In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Duane Hoyt ' dated: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:26:55 -0500 Message-ID: Duane writes > I have never been to the Edge, so I will begin with my impressions of the >venue itself. The Edge looks to be an excellent place for a show at first. >It is very spacious, as it looks to be able to hold about 500-600 people. > As BOC took the stage, >the flaw with the club's setup became rapidly apparent. The stage is at >about the same level as the floor area in front of it, so as the many large >leather-clad biker types forced their way to the front, it made it nearly >impossible to see anyone on stage, except for an occasional glimpse of >Eric's face and as Buck is not the tallest of people, he was virtually >impossible to see at all. I emphatically agree with Duane here. This venue SUCKS! Unless they raise the stage or else lower the floor in front of it (a more plausible solution) I am never going there again. I made the mistake of taking a piss just as BOC was starting. So by the time I got back, the floor in front of the stage was packed. I cound not see anything at all. The security guys wouldn't let anyone stand on chairs either. Luckily, my friend found a spot for us on the side of the stage. We could at least "see" the band (most of the time) but the sound quality sucked since we were behind the speakers. This was the WORST BOC show I've ever been to. The show itself seemed great, but the venue is horrible. The moral of the story is ... don't go to any shows at The Edge. ---------------- Ed Stenger stenger at math.uakron.edu p.s. - I missed you Duane. I was wearing my Nethawks shirt and some dude asked me if I knew you. I don't think he was on the list and I can't remember his name (I couldn't hear very well). From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Nov 21 11:49:16 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:49:16 -0500 Subject: Weak Coffee/Small Thoughts Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-21 10:19:26 EST, you write: >Hmmm. don't know much about Vai really except for a few songs where he has >exhibited a lot of skill. yeah, isn't he the guy that has some real wuss-like hairdo and thinks he's hot shit? or am I thinking of the guy from Poison? I don't like guitarists who think that they are Holy Than Thou....take Buck for instance, when I intro him to my woman, I said "she worships Eric Clapton, but you run a close second" and he says "well, I'm not quite as good as Clapton, either..." which is true... Clapton is the probly the best guitarist that ever picked it up (although it's hard to say, given that guitarists such as Robert Johnson played way back in what? the 1920s?)...and I never once saw EC have a "hey, look at me, I'm a guitar God" 'tude onstage...I guess when the music does the talking, you don't have to bother throwin' the guitar around your back ala Poison and doing silly cheerleader kicks onstage... (btw, appy polly loggies if I went way off course there!!! must be the coffee!) > >This band misses the Bouchard brothers. I saw John Rodgers, >John was good but Dannny was phenomonal. However, Al & Joe's songs just >don't sound as good without there vocals. Eyes voice is unique to his songs >as Buck's are to his, but neither of these guys is capable of doing a >Bouchard song the way I'm accustomed to hearing it. I think that creatively, yeah the 3OC misses the Bouchard Bros...but, from what I've heard from all the conflicts and stuff, I don't think that 3OC misses 'em in any other way...I think that if the original lineup was still intact, we would be waiting on album #20 from BOC... I thought John Rodgers was a good bass player, as well as a good singer...I also agree that Dominance and Submission doesn't sound right if EB's vocals, but it doesn't take away from being one of my favorite BOC songs to see in concert...Eric and Buck harmonize pretty well... >The setlist could probably use some adjustment also. amen! I can see not playing any Bouchard songs at the gigs, but c'mon! With a mungo selection of songs to pick from, there's very little changes in the set...the last 5 shows were pretty much the same, only a few songs were switched around...I don't think these guys get enuff rehearsal time in... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Nov 21 11:49:21 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:49:21 -0500 Subject: AOL Chat Logs -Reply Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-21 10:45:10 EST, you write: >I'm sorry but I have no wish to receive large volumes >of BOC chat from AOL. Please could you make other arrangements >for distributing these other than to everyone on the list > >Thank you > >Martyn > > uh....yeah.... they won't be uploaded to BOC-L, they'll be uploaded to the Underbelly Web Site...just want to see if there is an interest in them... ROBO From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Nov 21 15:15:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:15:00 PST Subject: Oh We Have Coffee! Dr. Bob! Message-ID: >Taking a cue from AB, ROBO, et. al., I fired up the 4 cup mini-brewer this >morning here in the office while reading my digest. Hadn't used it in a long >time, but since joining this list I have a strange urge for the stuff. >Dumped in an extra tablespoon or two and I'm ready to go. Try some Torgo Blend. Like me you will be posting forever. Mmmm, Mmm Good! >>>stuff deleted<<< Which would you find more depressing-BOC packing a 500 seat club, or BOC playing to 1000 in a stadium that seats 20,000? >>>stuff deleted<<< >For my money, I'll take the stadium. Give me 50 ft. Godzillas, and Harleys >on stage! Wouldn't depress me at all unless I wasn't one of the 1000. After reading your review on the Silo, I think only a show there (bad accoustics) and a puke opening act is the only reason to be negative about seeing the Oyster Boys play. Hey they can play in my backyard with accoustic stuff and I'd be happy. >>>stuff deleted<<< There are probably thousands of absolutely fantastic albums out there that failed miserably. >>>stuff deleted<<< <> Stuff deleted<> What makes a classic? (See, drinking coffee while in these contemplative moods is a dangerous thing) In my caffiene induced state a classic is anything older than something new of the same thing that just dosen't feel, sound or taste the same. Classic radio though is the only exception to the rule. >>>stuff deleted<<< There's the issue of the record company promoting the band and the album. And, I believe that is what is going on in the music world (i.e. what's hot and what's not) has alot to do with it. >>>stuff deleted<<< >I agree. Well said! Its just a shame that the so-called decision makers >make what I think are alot of bad decisions. I reference my discussion with >the buyer from "The Wall" in a previous post as an example. There is nothing >better that I'd like to do than start with middle management, follow the >strings up to the ivory tower (Triumph reference here) and have a good talk >with the "authorities" on what's hot and what's not. Apparently, it takes >more than the wallet to get through to these guys. Oh so true! What the hell do record buyers (store owners/mangement) listen to on their free time I wonder. Hard to believe its the crap they're selling nowadays. >>>stuff deleted<<< It was definitely a problem with the sound MIX, and not the band's playing ability. >>>stuff deleted<<< >I agree. I thought that's what I said. Here is a band with oodles of energy >that could wipe out a stadium, and they have "Mixmaster DJ Jazzy Deaf" for a >sound man. I still think the acustics of the venue have something to do with >it also, and I guess that ultimately, its the band's fault for not sounding >so good since they chose that venue (i.e.-clubs) which does NOT take >advantage of their potential. Hey when someone pays your fee to play then play you must. If the venue sucks then the choice is too skip the fee and venue next time around or take the money and run. Since the band hasn't replaced the accoustic equipment for at least a month, they may have to do a few more Silo's. You know though I think you have started a great trend here Dr. Bob, perhaps all reviews should contian some details about the venue. Stuff like this could come in handy when making show preparation plans. >A word here to those that may have been upset with my honest opinion of the >concert. When your favorite band sets high standards by musically kicking >your ass, and then, in later appearances does not live up to that standard, >the review is going to be percieved as negative. But is that the fault of >the reviewer who was given those high standards by the band in the first >place? (extra gulp of java to contemplate this) I think that BOC on a bad >day is better than almost any other band I can think of on a good day, but >that doesn't mean that I have to settle for mediocrity. Thats why you carry the PhD title my man. Does the chant "We're not worthy. We're not worthy." ring a bell? Theo writes: >>>stuff deleted<<< I kinda like seeing BOC in clubs. When they were playing stadiums, they were often real far away, when I couldn't get good seats. In clubs, you're right next to the band, and can see every expression on their faces. Also, at clubs, there's an excellent chance to see the band after the gig to talk to them and thank them for the show >>>stuff deleted<<< >...and get the Harley on stage...and get >Godzilla blazing away. Congratulatory messages could be sent via e-mail. I got to see the Harley on stage. The club staff gaurded that thing like it was made out of Gold. Who's is it anyways, Eyes? As for Zilla, twould be cool but I rather see Danny grab a zilla suit, during the break for In Thee and come back on stage breathing fire and thumping footsteps, wait a minute, breathing fire, maybe we can get Gene Simmons to do this bit, as long as Danny the one actually playing bass in the background. More coffee, ahhhh! AB writes: >>>stuff deleted<<< Must give you one raspberry though, Dr. Bob, for not recognizing Flaming Telepaths "the joke's on you." >>>stuff deleted<<< >Must give you one opportunity to kiss my ass though, AB, for not recognizing >that I was reading blurred, runny writing from a soda-stained napkin and that >my memory falters when my ears are still ringing 2 days after a concert. No excuses Dr. Bob. A beer stained napkin makes sense but if your sitting there drinking Dr. Peppers instead no wonder your ears are ringing. I loved this retort. Stuff like this made me enroll in your moonargraphy course in the first place. >Just kidding, bro, you know I'm just joshing. Seriously, though, I'll try >not to let it happen again. :-) <-----how the hell did that get there!!! See above. >Well, the coffee is almost gone, so just a few miscellaneous thoughts: >1. ROBO, was that you in the white BOC shirt with blue sleeves at The Silo? No. I think Robo responded that he did the politically correct thing, since all BOC fans are classified as Headbangers by a rock encyclopedia, he wore his biker jacket, undoubtly covered with the Symbol. That whirling diverish at the front of the Stage was Robo banging his head. (Just kidding guitar man) >2. AB, the package arrived this a.m. Also, now that you have your PC at >home, be careful, its more addictive than video games when we were kids. >Don't forget your family. Any clues yet or do you want me to send some more. Not a really fair test I grant you since the music is either fairly new or really old. About the pc, no problems there, its more popular with the kids than I am and I can't get near it anyway. With my horde I think I'm going to invest in a lan and string a bunch of thinkpads throughout the house. We might as well get Internetitis together. Cool stuff Dr. Bob and remember, "We're not worthy, We're not worthy." AB ROTFL - I fgured this one out with a lotta help from my friends. -Dr. Bob rkohl at state.de.us From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Nov 21 15:25:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:25:00 PST Subject: BOC Review Message-ID: Duane and Ed's valid points deleted (good stuff on the venue guys) but here are a few tips when going to see BOC. 1> Always do your heavy Drinking (soda, beer, etc,. ) before arriving or during the opening acts. 2. If the stage isn't raised (the way I prefer it BTW) then time the last band and begin to make your way upfront before they stop playing. 3. Make several runs to the potty before BOC starts setting up. (this is vitally important). 4. Talk to the people on both sides of you get to know them well, cause they ain't moving. 5. When BOC comes on stage and you feel a need to pay your respects to the plumbing, make a deal with someone next to you, ask them if they want a beer or something. Also ask them to reserve your space. Make sure you bring them back a beer. And if you are thirsty, leave the tops on and take a few back to your spot. This stuff works, (ask Ken) I left my spot front, center, foot on the stage at least three times when BOC was playing and I always got it back. From eqshw.blauchno at EMAIL.STATE.UT.US Tue Nov 21 12:32:52 1995 From: eqshw.blauchno at EMAIL.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:32:52 -0700 Subject: AOL Chat Logs Message-ID: >>I'm sorry but I have no wish to receive large volumes >>of BOC chat from AOL. Please could you make other arrangements >>for distributing these other than to everyone on the list >>Martyn >uh....yeah.... they won't be uploaded to BOC-L, they'll be uploaded to >the Underbelly Web >Site...just want to see if there is an interest in them... >ROBO Yeah, I was hoping that if they were sent here in small packages that it would be cool. I do understand that some people would not want this much info mailed to them -that's cool-. I just have very limited web access and probably wont get to check them out on Underbelly. ROBO is it possible to mail them to me directly? Brad Brad Lauchnor blauchno at email.state.ut.us Environmental Engineer (801) 538-9403 Chemical Demilitarization Salt Lake City, Utah Utah Department of Environmental Quality From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Nov 21 13:10:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:10:00 GMT Subject: BOC Review Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <30B2281E at houmg001.shl.com> > Duane and Ed's valid points deleted (good stuff on the venue guys) but > here > are a few tips when going to see BOC. [toilet training tips deleted] Gee - I've been going to gigs for twenty years now, and managing somehow, but now I've got Adrian's tips, my gig-going experience will be optimised for maximum enjoyment. Thank you. - Andy ObCD: Bruce Springsteen - _The Ghost of Tom Joad_ From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Nov 21 13:24:05 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:24:05 -0500 Subject: A couple comments on the BOC reviews Message-ID: The soundman is usually George Geranios, who worked with 'em in the bigtime, left for a while to tour with Dokken and Anthrax, and obviously wouldn't be doin' it if he had a better gig... but this can't be the excuse... From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 21 13:32:44 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:32:44 +0000 Subject: Mid-tone madness In-Reply-To: <30B15856@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Nov 21, 95 09:36:00 am Message-ID: > >> When my mind isn't in space with Hawkwind, it's in the gutter. > > > It's all those scooped-mid guitar tones of heavy rock ... > > Could be, although bass is involved too. Well, actually I was making weird comparison of space/gutter vs. guitar tones with the emphasis likewise on high/low ... (guitar tones without any midrange appearing to have become a defining feature of heavy rock at some point). But apart from that, sure :) Cheers, Carl From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 21 13:34:11 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:34:11 GMT Subject: Nethawk tshirts In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:57:14 GMT Message-ID: > All of these went out today except the ones that I still have to pack > other goodies into. > > Let me know when you get 'em. > I hope you posted 'em this morning then because the bad news is that Edinburgh has just started an official postal strike 8-( jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Nov 21 14:20:39 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:20:39 -0500 Subject: Small Coffee/Weak Thoughts In-Reply-To: <951121114915_29622051@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "Rob Maerz" at Nov 21, 95 11:49:16 am Message-ID: Rob "Robodude" Maerz writes: > Clapton is the probly the best guitarist that ever picked it up (although > it's hard to say, given that guitarists such as Robert Johnson played way > back in what? the 1920s?)...and I never once saw EC have a "hey, look at me, > I'm a guitar God" 'tude onstage...I guess when the music does the talking, > you don't have to bother throwin' the guitar around your back ala Poison and > doing silly cheerleader kicks onstage... This is an early April Fool's joke, right? It certainly made me laugh... Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Allman Brothers Band, _The Fillmore Concerts_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Nov 21 17:20:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:20:00 PST Subject: A couple comments on the BOC reviews Message-ID: >The soundman is usually George Geranios, who worked with 'em in the bigtime, >left for a while to tour with Dokken and Anthrax, and obviously wouldn't be >doin' it if he had a better gig... but this can't be the excuse... And then there's the venues themselves. Some of them obviously do not spend the money on good soundsystems not to mention decor. From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Nov 21 14:52:19 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:52:19 -0500 Subject: Oh We Have Coffee! Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-21 12:03:07 EST, you write: >Well, the coffee is almost gone, so just a few miscellaneous thoughts: > >1. ROBO, was that you in the white BOC shirt with blue sleeves at The Silo? mine is all gone...time to hit the cherry cokes, of course! nah, I was the guy in the black Camel Racing T and the biker jacket... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Nov 21 14:55:59 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:55:59 -0500 Subject: AOL Chat Logs Message-ID: I will not post the logs to BOC-L nor will I send them to individual addresses for 2 reasons: 1) I don't wanna post these files (which can be lengthy) to BOC-L and create what some may feel as unnecessary volume (that is, they aren't interested in it in the first place...) 2) If I send these to individual mailboxes, if I do it for one then I have to do it for all, and that'$ alot of time online 3) it defeats the purpose of the Underbelly being an all access (if you have Web access) site in which you can download what you want, when you want it...that way I can do one upload per file, and you guys can download whenever you please... ROBO From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Nov 21 15:06:56 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:06:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: alt.music.planet-gong Message-ID: > I just noticed there's an alt.music.planet-gong newsgroup. Thought > I'd mention it in case any of the major Gong fans out there had missed it. Doh! My provider doesn't get this feed ... time to start flooding aardvark.general for requests ;^) Thanks for the info Carl Paul -- Thought for the day: Book (n): a utensil used to pass time while waiting for the TV repairman. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Nov 21 15:07:11 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:07:11 -0500 Subject: HW: Covers project inlays viewable via WWW Message-ID: > > I don't know about everyone else, but MY problem was printing a > > Postscript file! The freeware ghostscript driver I was using thought it > > was Windows 95 (ie - kept crashing) > > Alladin Ghostscript 3.51 under OSF/1 works fine for me. In fact, that's > what I used to create the image files from which the .GIF files were > produced. And they came up great! No comment yet (I've spent the last few days putting furniture together, etc. - this is the first time I've turned on the PC in about 3 days!), but I will provide some feedback for you! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Nov 21 15:07:32 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:07:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Live Legends Message-ID: Gidday All My copy of the 'Live Legends; video doesn't indicate where it was recorded. The 'Cyberspace Conspiracy' boot of the video states that it was in Nottingham. Does anyone out there know if the boot is correct ? Paul -- Thought for the day: The only thing that hurts more than paying income tax is not having to pay income tax. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Nov 21 15:11:52 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:11:52 -0500 Subject: HW: ALIEENN 4 Message-ID: > Now if only they would bring the tour to Melbourne,with the Ozrics and > ship of fools accompaning them. Here Here! Yes! Please! -- Thought for the day: Cleavage (n): something you can approve of and look down on at the same time. -- W. Garnett. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Nov 21 15:17:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:17:00 EST Subject: Nethawk tshirts Message-ID: > All of these went out today except the ones that I still have to pack > other goodies into. > > Let me know when you get 'em. > I hope you posted 'em this morning then because the bad news is that Edinburgh has just started an official postal strike 8-( jill **************** Thank God the US Postal Service can't strike, they can only shoot the place up Rudy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Nov 21 15:28:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:28:00 EST Subject: Off: Steve Vai Message-ID: I like Steve Vai a lot. He isn't a wuss (you must be thinking the guy from Poison), ROBO. He played with David Lee Roth when he started out solo and then went off on his own. A bit of a poser, but not excessive, plays a hell of an ax though. Rudy From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Nov 21 19:00:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:00:00 PST Subject: Off: Steve Vai Message-ID: >I like Steve Vai a lot. He isn't a wuss (you must be thinking the guy from >Poison), ROBO. He played with David Lee Roth when he started out solo and >then went off on his own. A bit of a poser, but not excessive, plays a hell >of an ax though. >Rudy Boy I started something on this Steve Vai thing. Will check my lone Poison Cutout tape ($.99) but I think the guy from Poison is Steve Vai Rudy. Never seen him play but a couple of his songs sound pretty good to me. AB From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Nov 21 16:17:03 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:17:03 -0500 Subject: Off: Steve Vai In-Reply-To: <30B1AB12@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Nov 21, 95 03:28:00 pm Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > I like Steve Vai a lot. He isn't a wuss (you must be thinking the guy from > Poison), ROBO. He played with David Lee Roth when he started out solo and > then went off on his own. A bit of a poser, but not excessive, plays a hell > of an ax though. He also played "stunt guitar" in Frank Zappa's band in the 80's. Frank also hired him as a transcriber ('tis Steve who is largely responsible for the Real Frank Zappa Guitar book), because apparently he is very, very good at it. Vai did have blue hair when he was with Zappa (at least for part of the time). I don't know if this instantly qualifies him as a wuss/poser. As for whether he'd fit in well playing in BOC, well I'm skeptical. Vai's music has a strong positive (almost spiritual)/whimsical side to it. I don't know how he'd take to the sinister bent of BOC. I don't doubt he could handle things technically, of course... Cheers, Paul "anyone who plays with Zappa can't be ALL bad" Mather. obCD: Frank Zappa, _Burnt Weeny Sandwich_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. "True cheepnis is exemplified by visible nylon strings attached to the jaw of a giant spider..." --- Frank Zappa, "Cheepnis", _Roxy & Elsewhere_ From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Tue Nov 21 16:40:19 1995 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:40:19 -0600 Subject: Off: Steve Vai In-Reply-To: <30B1AB12@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Nov 21, 95 03:28:00 pm Message-ID: > > I like Steve Vai a lot. He isn't a wuss (you must be thinking the guy from > Poison), ROBO. He played with David Lee Roth when he started out solo and Not to mention playing with Zappa. I figure that anyone Zappa chose to be in his band has (or had) something going for them. I think (hope) that the David L Roth and Whitesnake ventures were just mistakes, or else just money making schemes. I've got Vai's "Flex-Able" disc, some of which I really like, some of which I don't. I've not heard anything from his last two discs. Can anyone recommend them, or otherwise give me an impression of them? Thanks, Bryan From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 21 16:41:55 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:41:55 EST Subject: Off: Steve Vai Message-ID: > >I like Steve Vai a lot. He isn't a wuss (you must be thinking the guy from > >Poison), ROBO. He played with David Lee Roth when he started out solo and > >then went off on his own. A bit of a poser, but not excessive, plays a > hell > >of an ax though. > > >Rudy > > Boy I started something on this Steve Vai thing. Will check my lone Poison > Cutout tape ($.99) but I think the guy from Poison is Steve Vai Rudy. Never > seen him play but a couple of his songs sound pretty good to me. > > AB AB, Vai never played in Poison, though a couple of other young buck shredders did. Richie Kotzen was first, he got kicked out for being caught by the singer banging the singer's old lady! Then Blues Saraceno got the job. Maybe he's gay? Actually, I'm the one that started the pounding Vai thing. I never said he wasn't a good gtrst. I said he was all wrong for BOC. I said, and still say, that he's a gymnast, not a gtrst. He can play a million notes a second--so what? What good are all those notes if there isn't any tastefulness to go along with them? Anyway, some of Vai's gigs to date: David Lee Roth 'Crossroads' film soundtrack, and guest appearance in the flick (hate to say so, but he was good) Frank Zappa --his first important gig, actually Whitesnake (are we seeing a trend/pattern here?) Ozzy Osborne--worked on the new album, but isn't credited, though he has writing credit for one song. Replaced by Zakk Wylde for the album, Zakk's been sacked for Joe Holmes. Actually, Vai's last album wasn't all that bad, all things considered. theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 21 17:12:25 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 17:12:25 EST Subject: Off: Steve Vai Message-ID: > Not to mention playing with Zappa. I figure that anyone Zappa chose to be > in his band has (or had) something going for them. I think (hope) that the > David L Roth and Whitesnake ventures were just mistakes, or else just money > making schemes. > > I've got Vai's "Flex-Able" disc, some of which I really like, some of which > I don't. I've not heard anything from his last two discs. Can anyone > recommend them, or otherwise give me an impression of them? > > Thanks, > > Bryan Bryan, Vai's albums are packed with full-tilt shredding, if that's your thing. 'Passion and Warfare,' I will admit, grudgingly, is a pretty good album. My main problem with Vai isn't his playing as much as the lyrics he writes. Strictly space cadet stuff, and some are embarassingly immature. If words don't count for you, then you'd probably like anything he does, 'cause he sure can play gtr. For me, it takes more than playing ability alone. Also, his playing is very 'busy' sounding, bordering more on sound effects than music. Guess it's all a matter of taste. theo From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Tue Nov 21 20:22:30 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:22:30 -0100 Subject: TAB: Paging Digger Dan Message-ID: >trying to figure out "I'm On the Lamb But I Ain't No Sheep" >would like a second opinion Here's Digger! Paging? (Could you translate that?)... Well, do you have to do this today when the first string on both of my guitars have broken? ;-( >/ = slide up > >intro (the line that's played thruout the song) >e >b >g 2 0 >d 2 2 / 4 2 4 >a 0 3 >e > Thank you! I've actually never played this one before! It sound fine to me (just one more of that g "0", of course). >then the other guitar that sounds like Creems "Strange Brew" > >G / A C G > Maybe something like this?: e:----3?---------|----3?----------| B:----1?--------1|----1?---------1| G:-2------0------|-2--------0-----| D:---------------|----------------| A:---------------|----------------| E:---------------|----------------| >It's All Right >D C G > > >outro >e >b >g >d >a 0-0 3 0-0 >e 0-3 (then it sounds like they're strummin a C chord or >only the C&E together) Yes, it's almost as in Red & the Black e:------------------|-----------------| B:------------------|-----------------| G:------------------|-----------------| D:------------------|-----------------| A:-0-0-3--3-0-0-----|-0-0-3--3-0-0----| E:--------------3-0-|--------------3-0| > >ROBO >on the stun guitar! : } > Digger Dan on stunt guitar From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Tue Nov 21 20:26:23 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 00:26:23 -0100 Subject: Foot Da TAB: Paging Digger Dan2 Message-ID: >also trying to figure out She's As Beautiful As A Foot > >e >b >g 9999999 77 (2 X) |4 7 5 4 | 4 >d | 7| 5 7 5 >a 5 >e > >I should at least have the last note right! : } > >then, towards the end it sounds like: > She's As Beautiful, whoa so beautiful > D Am >e >b 4 7 5 4 7 9 7 5 >g >d >a >e > > Beautiful As A Foot > C D >e >b >g 4 7 5 4 >d >a 55555555 >e > >She heard someone say (she heard someone say) >D Am C > >the other day > D > >ROBO > I wasn't fully pleased with this one Robo. I think you ought to quit that instant coffee stuff of ours. It's not healthy for you. You have to do the real thing. Try espresso or something ;-) Here's how I IMHO think I would maybe perhaps play She's as beatiful as a foot: e:---------------------|--------------------|--------------------| B:--444444-4-3333------|-444444-4-3333----3-|-1-3-1-0----------0-| G:---------------------|--------------------|--------------------| D:---------------------|--------------------|--------------------| A:---------------------|--------------------|--------------------| E:---------------------|--------------------|--------------------| e:--------------------|| B:-1-0----------------|| G:-----2--------------|| D:--------------------|| A:--------------------| E:--------------------|| Four times and then: e:--10-9--------------|-13-12--------------|-8-7----------------| B:-------10-----------|-------13-----------|-----8--------------| G:----------11--------|----------14--------|-------9----7-------| D:-------------12-----|-------------15-----|---------10---------| A:--------------------|--------------------|--------------------| E:--------------------|--------------------|--------------------| 2 times and back to main theme which a couple of times also is played one octave lower: e:----------------1/4-4-4-4/6-6-|-------------------|-------------------| B:----------------3/6-6-6-6/8-8-|-------------------|-------------------| G:------------------------------|-------------------|-------------------| D:-111111-1-0000----------------|-111111-1-0000----0|---0---------------| A:------------------------------|-------------------|-3---2----2-3--0---| E:------------------------------|-------------------|-------------------| Hope it works! Dan Digger on a stunned guitar From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Nov 21 19:16:43 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:16:43 -0500 Subject: Off: Steve Vai In-Reply-To: <9511212140.AA08647@crux.astr.ua.edu> from "Bryan Irby" at Nov 21, 95 03:40:19 pm Message-ID: Bryan Irby writes: > I've got Vai's "Flex-Able" disc, some of which I really like, some of which > I don't. I've not heard anything from his last two discs. Can anyone > recommend them, or otherwise give me an impression of them? _Flex-Able_ is closer to the sort of stuff Vai did with Zappa. I have two other Vai albums beside that one: _Passion & Warfare_ and _Sex & Religion_. Both are more "accessible" than _Flex-Able_. Of the two, I easily prefer _Passion & Warfare_. (There is some incredibly beautiful material on there, for those accusing Vai of being "all speed and no feeling". There is, of course, also some "technical & fast" stuff; must be the "warfare" part.) As for _Sex & Religion_ (released under the "band" name, Vai), I wish Steve had taken a leaf out of that Frank Zappa guitar album: _Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar_. The vocalist can be a little much, at times. But there is still a lot of worthy material, and the album is more like a "normal" rock album, which might appeal to some folks. I haven't heard his latest, _Alien Love Secrets_. I think Vai can put people off at first. I know it took me a few spins to really get into _Passion & Warfare_, for example. But that's probably because I just flat hate "guitar hero" albums because they're usually sooooo boring (REPEAT weedly weedly weedly UNTIL FALSE). However, I was lured into getting it because of his association with Zappa. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Laibach, _Let It Be_ (Beatlemania strikes again!;) e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 21 20:44:53 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:44:53 GMT Subject: HW: Live Legends In-Reply-To: Paul G Ward's message of Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:07:32 -0500 Message-ID: Paul G Ward writes: > > Gidday All > > My copy of the 'Live Legends; video doesn't indicate where it was > recorded. The 'Cyberspace Conspiracy' boot of the video states that > it was in Nottingham. Does anyone out there know if the boot is > correct ? Bernhard keeps track of that kinda stuff but I think he said at the time that this was Nottingham. FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 21 20:43:38 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 01:43:38 GMT Subject: Nethawk tshirts In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:34:11 GMT Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > > All of these went out today except the ones that I still have to pack > > other goodies into. > > > > Let me know when you get 'em. > > > > I hope you posted 'em this morning then because the bad news is that > Edinburgh has just started an official postal strike 8-( Didn't this happen last time? We clearly have a Postal Worker mole in this list. > jill FoFP From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Tue Nov 21 23:42:35 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 23:42:35 -0500 Subject: Off: Steve Vai Message-ID: on Tue, 21 Nov 1995 Bryan Irby wrote: > I've got Vai's "Flex-Able" disc, some of which I really like, some > of which I don't. I've not heard anything from his last two discs. Can > anyone recommend them, or otherwise give me an impression of them? Don't know much about his previous disk but the latest 'Alien Love Secrets' is quite good IMveryHO. I listen to it for pleasure and find it quite tasty, especialy the song he did with his kid ;-) Al From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Wed Nov 22 16:23:22 1995 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:23:22 EST Subject: Nethawk tshirts In-Reply-To: <9511220143.aa03097@uk.ac.ed.castle>; from "M Holmes" at Nov 22, 95 01:43:38 am Message-ID: > > J Strobridge writes: > > > > All of these went out today except the ones that I still have to pack > > > other goodies into. > > > > > > Let me know when you get 'em. > > > > > > > I hope you posted 'em this morning then because the bad news is that > > Edinburgh has just started an official postal strike 8-( > > Didn't this happen last time? We clearly have a Postal Worker mole in > this list. > Dont you mean a "secret agent" > > jill > > FoFP > marty From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Nov 22 03:40:43 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 03:40:43 -0500 Subject: Foot Da TAB: Paging Digger Dan2 Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-21 18:35:07 EST, you write: >I wasn't fully pleased with this one Robo. I think you ought to quit that >instant coffee stuff of ours. It's not healthy for you. You have to do the >real thing. Try espresso or something ;-) thanx Digger, I'll give 'er a try! and uh, try Foot too...your version : } ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Nov 22 03:40:47 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 03:40:47 -0500 Subject: TAB: Paging Digger Dan Message-ID: next: workshop of the telescopes...but lemme get some of dat expresso stuff first! ROBO From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Wed Nov 22 04:06:37 1995 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:06:37 GMT Subject: Weak Coffee/Small Thoughts Message-ID: ROBO has a go at guitarists with 'attitude', & praises Clapton. (Mr Controversial !) Well ROBO, EC may not go on about how f*****n ace he is, but boy, his fans sure make up for it. Steve Vai can play a mean geetar, I suggest you listen to 'Passion & Warfare' or watch the last 10 mins of the 'Crossroads' film. BTW, you are right to mention Robert Johnson, because without RJ there would be no 'slowhand'. Neil. From shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM Wed Nov 22 04:12:38 1995 From: shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM (shillada at GATWICK.GECO-PRAKLA.SLB.COM) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:12:38 GMT Subject: Off: Steve Vai Message-ID: AB wites - Boy I started something on this Steve Vai thing. Will check my lone Poison Cutout tape ($.99) but I think the guy from Poison is Steve Vai Rudy. Never seen him play but a couple of his songs sound pretty good to me. AB Sorry AB, Vai NEVER plyed with P****n. He did play (yes & pose) eith Whitesnake/Roth/Alcatraz/Zappa, but NEVER that sad bunch called Poison. Neil. From khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Wed Nov 22 04:16:29 1995 From: khiller at NICKEL.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Brand) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 04:16:29 -0500 Subject: BOC: The Light That Never Was In-Reply-To: <9511220906.AA09407@icarus.gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com> Message-ID: Hello all (delurks)... I don't know if this has already been pointed out or not. Probably has. Anyway, I just spotted a book titled "The Light That Never Was"," by one Lloyd Biggle. It's science fiction, but that's about all the info I have on it (altho I could find out more if I really tried.) This sounds a lot like a line from "Astronomy." Is there a connection? Does M'sieur Bouchard have any comment on this? (Who wrote the lyrics to "Astronomy", anyway?) OK, that's all (re-lurks)... Brand From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Wed Nov 22 05:23:35 1995 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:23:35 GMT Subject: B.O.C. in Paris Message-ID: B.O.C. are announced in concert in Paris - France- for the Monday 14 of December at Elysee Montmartre club From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Wed Nov 22 05:24:35 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 05:24:35 -0500 Subject: BOC in Paris Message-ID: >B.O.C. are announced in concert in Paris - France- for the Monday 14 of >December >at Elysee Montmartre club I think you'll find that it's _Thursday_ 14 Dec. They are also playing two dates in Greece (Athens I believe) on Dec 15 & 16. This is their not very large European tour. I'm already in a sweat, I've got my ticket for the London date on Dec 13. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Nov 22 07:34:33 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:34:33 +0000 Subject: Off: Steve Vai In-Reply-To: <9511212342.AA35246@worldlink.com> from "albert bouchard" at Nov 21, 95 11:42:35 pm Message-ID: Re: Vai > Don't know much about his previous disk but the latest 'Alien Love Secrets' is > quite good IMveryHO. I listen to it for pleasure and find it quite tasty, > especialy the song he did with his kid ;-) Was that "Yo Yo Gack" (or something like that)? I just heard that the other day from a guitar player friend here in Cambridge. It was extremely cool and must have taken ages to piece together ;) I also liked "Bad Horsey" I think it was, which had some kind of mind-numbing heavy riff with various guitar twiddlings a-top it. Funny, when I was listening to "Yo Yo Gack" I kept thinking to myself: "Gee, this is just the kind of thing Al would do ...." ;) Cheers, Carl From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Nov 22 08:35:13 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:35:13 +0000 Subject: A couple comments on the BOC reviews In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Nov 1995, Andrew Gilham wrote: > In-Reply-To: <199511201328.IAA21993 at mbunix.mitre.org> > > > Take "Cultosaurus > > Erectus" - where the HELL did someone come up with that? > > Wasn't it a pun on "Pithecanthropus Erectus"? Now, someone fill in the > literary allusion, 'cause I've forgotten it :) > > - Andy > Just as a guess, was Pithecanthropus Erectus the name of the famous "Piltdown Man" missing link hoax? Dave From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Nov 22 08:53:22 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 13:53:22 +0000 Subject: BOC covers In-Reply-To: <9511151422.AA14161@nj.semi.harris.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Ross Reyes wrote: > I see someone posted about bands covering BOC. We all know > BOC covered quite a few themselves. Coming to mind are... > > Kick OTJ - MC5 > Born TBW - Step > Roadhouse - Doors > We GGOOTP - Animals > Masterati GT - ?? > Be my Baby - Ronnettes > > > I think they also covered some WHO at one time or another. I wonder > if any Beatles?? > > Can anyone recall others? > > RR > I just returned from Los Angeles where I had the great good fortune to visit Bolle (pronounced Boh-leh, sort of) at the Museum of Cult. One of the tunes he played me was a BOC cover of Be My Baby, and believe me it was quite remarkable. Very lovingly done. I gather that BOC still play covers for fun, even if it's only at rehearsals. I also heard a BOC cover of Free's "Alright Now" and a Stones number which I've forgotten the name of. Bolle showed me some the set lists of early shows and they did include some odd stuff. I recall one number called "Me & Monkey" which I presume was a reference to the Beatles' "Everybody's Got Something to Hide Except Me and My Monkey". Dave From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Nov 22 09:08:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 09:08:00 EST Subject: HW: Hawkwind Covers Covers Message-ID: Paul, thanks for putting the tape covers on your web site. I don't have, or need, Postscript capability and didn't have the time or inclination to get it for viewing these. I like both designs, but would suggest going with the full outside graphic format of Tape 2 for both tapes. The huge "disclaimer" on tape 1 need not be so huge. If they sound anywhere near as good as they look, this will be an amazing feat you and crew pulled off. Rudy From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Nov 23 12:25:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:25:00 PST Subject: Off: Steve Vai/Stand Corrected Message-ID: Thanks for clearing that up for me Theo. Yeah it wasn't Poison but Whitesnake I was thinking of. I think your points are valid, when I mentioned would this guy be able to replace Buck I was thinking strictly skills and not personalities or egos. Sometimes a wild card will change if associated with people who are professional and take their responsibilities seriously. As an example I read whereTed Nugent said he really enjoyed his collaboration with Jack Blades and Tommy Shaw (Damn Yankees) as they helped him to mature and take his work more seriously. AB AB, Vai never played in Poison, though a couple of other young buck shredders did. Richie Kotzen was first, he got kicked out for being caught by the singer banging the singer's old lady! Then Blues Saraceno got the job. Maybe he's gay? Actually, I'm the one that started the pounding Vai thing. I never said he wasn't a good gtrst. I said he was all wrong for BOC. I said, and still say, that he's a gymnast, not a gtrst. He can play a million notes a second--so what? What good are all those notes if there isn't any tastefulness to go along with them? Anyway, some of Vai's gigs to date: David Lee Roth 'Crossroads' film soundtrack, and guest appearance in the flick (hate to say so, but he was good) Frank Zappa --his first important gig, actually Whitesnake (are we seeing a trend/pattern here?) Ozzy Osborne--worked on the new album, but isn't credited, though he has writing credit for one song. Replaced by Zakk Wylde for the album, Zakk's been sacked for Joe Holmes. Actually, Vai's last album wasn't all that bad, all things considered. theo From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Nov 23 13:35:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:35:00 PST Subject: No Coffee today Message-ID: Just a reminder that this is the last day to submit stuff for the directory. Cannot garuntee that I will be in the office all day today. Therefore if you have any changes, additiona, deletions please send them ASAP. I have already provided Charlie Grant with the Directory files as of yesterday. If no additional changes are recieved, Charlie you can start on what I've already sent to you. Couple of quickies: Robo - Whats the verdict on the chat summaries on Underbelly On-line, go or no go? Can someone repost the location of the HW cover tape inserts on the web. Seem to have lost that post and would like to see it. Thanks. Cyberbaron (www.clark.net/pub/mileskb/boc/boc.html) is showing two things of interest. A new BOC Online T-shirt is available: "There is a NEW special T-Shirt now available for all the Online fans of Blue Oyster Cult!! The graphic on the front of the shirt, over the left breast, is the WOTT cover art with the words BLUE OYSTER CULT above, and fan club address BOCFanClub at aol.com below. The back of the shirt features the Reaper at his PC with Zilla looking on (Zilla has a subway train in his mouth), an ME262 model on the desk, bony Reaper hand on mouse, and the words "Blue Oyster Cult on Tour,Online." Some GODZILLA shirts are still available too. There are still tour shirts, Zilla at the movies on the front, and Zilla and Reaper doing battle on the back. For information on how you can obtain these great shirts, email MilesKB at aol.com Just a plug for Miles KB, and his nice Web Page. No mention of Tshirt sizes though I've been told that the Zilla shirt only comes in extra large 46-48. Tour information shows the Oysters going to Florida at the end of this month and the first few days of December. Anybody planning on attending these shows and posting reviews.? The next time somebody pisses you off and the forum just dosen't lend itself to the use of profanity yell "Cheap, Chopped Chicken Feathers", worked for Dick Van Dyke on Nickelodeon last night. Have a good holiday all. AB From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 22 12:46:09 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:46:09 GMT Subject: Looking for Hassan 7" and Japan LPs In-Reply-To: Derrick Chilton's message of Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:24:55 +0000 Message-ID: > I've got the French Version. Derrick, If I can't persuade you to sell at any price, I'd be most grateful if you could do a careful comparison of the two tracks on the single against the album. For obvious reasons, the two Hassan I Sabha singles are the only things that Jill and I couldn't check for the Codex. If you did this, we'd only have the Damnation Alley Part II track unconfirmed, and I'm pretty sure that's a straight cut from the middle of the track. Odds are both tracks will be identical, but they have been known to add or subtract an instrument or two, or chop sections out of the middle for a single release. Cheers FoFP From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Nov 23 16:10:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 13:10:00 PST Subject: HW Cover tape insert Message-ID: Just saw them and they sure look goooood! Terrific work and hats off to those involved in that project. AB From gary at Z-CODE.NCD.COM Wed Nov 22 14:08:48 1995 From: gary at Z-CODE.NCD.COM (Gary Wingert) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 11:08:48 -0800 Subject: See you Monday Message-ID: Folx, I'm turning off my BOC-L mail until Monday, since I'll be away for the next four days for Thanksgiving. See you then, and Happy Thanksgiving to all yoosayans and any others who wish to give thanks for something (like finally getting to see the Mighty Hawklords!) gary From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Nov 22 14:47:16 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:47:16 -0500 Subject: Weak Coffee/Small Thoughts Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-22 04:11:50 EST, you write: >Well ROBO, EC may not go on about how f*****n ace he is, but boy, his fans >sure make up for it. Steve Vai can play a mean geetar, I suggest you listen >to 'Passion & Warfare' or watch the last 10 mins of the 'Crossroads' film. >BTW, you are right to mention Robert Johnson, because without RJ there would >be no 'slowhand'. > >Neil. I'm sure that Steve Vai is a talented guitarist, but from what I've seen him play in the past just isn't me mug of Yuengling Lager... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Nov 22 14:58:17 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 14:58:17 -0500 Subject: No Coffee today Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-22 11:53:43 EST, you write: >Robo - Whats the verdict on the chat summaries on Underbelly On-line, go or >no go? It looks like there is enough interest for me to upload the Chat Logs...I will upload them in a few weeks and let everyone know when they are available...before that I wanna get a BOCfanclub page on there, still waiting on the Buck Dharma artwork (not holding my breath) and BOC in Reading pics.... >Cyberbaron (www.clark.net/pub/mileskb/boc/boc.html) is showing two things of >interest. A new BOC Online T-shirt is available: Miles takes care of posting all the BOC tour dates, also... >Just a plug for Miles KB, and his nice Web Page. No mention of Tshirt sizes >though I've been told that the Zilla shirt only comes in extra large 46-48. > Tour information shows the Oysters going to Florida at the end of this >month and the first few days of December. t shirt sizes are L and XL...for further info Email MilesKB at aol.com, or go to the Underbelly (http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html) click on Stairway to the Stars and then the BOC Ordering Info hypertext... ROBO From CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK Wed Nov 22 15:46:12 1995 From: CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:46:12 EST Subject: Off: Steve Vai In-Reply-To: <794B54310101367C@-SMF-> Message-ID: Bryan sed: >> I like Steve Vai a lot. He isn't a wuss (you must be thinking the guy from >> Poison), ROBO. He played with David Lee Roth when he started out solo and > > Not to mention playing with Zappa. I figure that anyone Zappa chose to be > in his band has (or had) something going for them. I think (hope) that the > David L Roth and Whitesnake ventures were just mistakes, or else just money > making schemes. > > I've got Vai's "Flex-Able" disc, some of which I really like, some of which > I don't. I've not heard anything from his last two discs. Can anyone > recommend them, or otherwise give me an impression of them? And AB sed: > Boy I started something on this Steve Vai thing. Will check my lone Poison > Cutout tape ($.99) but I think the guy from Poison is Steve Vai Rudy. Never > seen him play but a couple of his songs sound pretty good to me. At last BOC-L lands on my turf :-) STEVE VAI IS GOD!!!!!!!!!! Oops, excuse shouting there but speaking as a tech-head guitarist Vai really is the man. He's not *neo-classical* like Malmsteen, say, but can mix jazz, classical and lots of very heavy metal. And he's got the best attitude, accepting his talents as a thing of wonder whilst never being satisfied. Vai has pushed the boundaries of rock guitar onto another planet. Not as *sweet* or melodic as Satriani and some people are put off by his intensity. To answer the questions: Bryan, the album *Sex and Religion* is a collaborative effort with an awesome young vocalist. Very heavy. His most recent e.p. is a true solo thing - I'm pretty sure he plays everything and programmed the drums. The only way to describe this is relentless. It's like listening to an air crash. Brilliant!!!! As for the Roth albums, well *Skyscraper* would be in my top 10 all time albums largely because of Vai. He's very melodic on this. However he never fitted into Whitesnake who really need British blues men to do the job properly. As for the Poison guitarist, wan't he CC DeVille? Chris From CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK Wed Nov 22 15:53:02 1995 From: CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:53:02 EST Subject: Off: Steve Vai In-Reply-To: <8D4B54310101367C@-SMF-> Message-ID: > Was that "Yo Yo Gack" (or something like that)? I just heard that > the other day from a guitar player friend here in Cambridge. It was > extremely cool and must have taken ages to piece together ;) I also > liked "Bad Horsey" I think it was, which had some kind of mind-numbing > heavy riff with various guitar twiddlings a-top it. Yeah, *Yo yo Gack* is excellent. *Bad Horsey* on the other hand is so heavy they probably had to move the main riff to the studio on those lorries people use to shift power station boilers. In fact *Bad Horsey* could be used instead of injections to induce euthanasia in the elderly. Chris From CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK Wed Nov 22 16:04:35 1995 From: CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 16:04:35 EST Subject: Mid-tone madness In-Reply-To: <614B54310101367C@-SMF-> Message-ID: Carl Said: > Well, actually I was making weird comparison of space/gutter > vs. guitar tones with the emphasis likewise on high/low ... (guitar > tones without any midrange appearing to have become a defining feature > of heavy rock at some point). I think that it's because they cut through so well. Jerry Garcia (OK not heavy a rock player) once said that the best thing about the guitar was that the sound is right in the frequencies that the human ear wants to listen to. As for scooping, well it removes those tones which are commonly used by keyboard players, singers, drummers etc. so it makes the guitar much easier to hear. Chris From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 22 18:05:40 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 18:05:40 -0500 Subject: HW: Live Legends Message-ID: >Bernhard keeps track of that kinda stuff but I think he said at the time that this was Nottingham<< my video, at the end , does list nottingham at the end of it,in the credits. rj. From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Thu Nov 23 12:29:30 1995 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:29:30 EST Subject: 1980 tour In-Reply-To: <199511220505.AAA25057@listserv.spc.edu>; from "L-Soft list server at St. Peter's College," at Nov 22, 95 00:05:55 am Message-ID: Hi Mike > > JIll and I were discussing this over a pint or five last night. I'd > noticed that on my Preston 1980 tape, Moorcock recites "Warriors on the > Edge" to the tune of "Spirit of the Age". Weird but very effective. > > Anyway, the synth still sounds like it's Blake playing, but Jill claimed > from Bernhard's work, that he'd left by then. Yet strangely my tape of > Guildford on 31/10/80 which was after Preston, has "Waiting for Nati" > and "Lighthouse" on it. Im pretty sure Blake was still with them at Preston. > Does anyone have any details of the Blake/Twink/Hale changes and does > anyone have tracklists for any of their tapes from the 1980 autumn UK > tour? As far as I was aware Blake left the morning after the stoke gig,due to the argument over his phone calls and not getting in the car to leave for the next gig.A roadie called "twink" then took over for a few days ,until Keith Hale joined them ,I think both twink and Hale played one gig together(Newcastle) ? I saw them play Portsmouth guidhall about a week later and was very surprised to see a small keyboard setup,and when the band came on NO BLAKE. The next day in Sounds(a now defunct music paper) there was a feature on the Hawks with a stop press announcement that Blake had left. The Guildford gig was about a week after the Portsmouth one ,and Hale definately was with them ,but no Lighthouse or Nati. The guildford tape doesn't have any blake tracks on it unfortunately. Hale had improved a bit by the mini - december tour and I remember them playing Dangerous vision and Angels of Death for the first time then.Anyway hale left with that drummer who wanted to sack Harvey.I went to Glastonbury in '81 and he was still with the Drummers band,they were crap and kept Roy Harper waiting. I was as surprised as most when I saw him with Toyah's band and that he wrote itss a mysstery. regards Marty From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Wed Nov 22 01:07:03 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 07:07:03 +0100 Subject: 1980 lineup changes. Message-ID: Hi There >from Bernhard's work, that he'd left by then. Yet strangely my tape of >Guildford on 31/10/80 which was after Preston, has "Waiting for Nati" >and "Lighthouse" on it. HAWKWIND palyed WAITING FOR NATI only at one gig, FOLKESTONE, 12.JULY.1980 ttyl Bernhard ======================================================= BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Wed Nov 22 01:07:02 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 07:07:02 +0100 Subject: HW: Live Legends Message-ID: At 15:07 21.11.1995 -0500, you wrote: > >Gidday All Hi Paul >My copy of the 'Live Legends; video doesn't indicate where it was >recorded. The 'Cyberspace Conspiracy' boot of the video states that >it was in Nottingham. Does anyone out there know if the boot is >correct ? The boot is an excerpt as the LIVE LEGENDS video from a HAWKWIND gig in Nottingham on 25.JANUARY.1990 ttyl Bernhard ======================================================= BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Wed Nov 22 21:55:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:55:00 -0500 Subject: Alien 4- Revisited Message-ID: Hawkwind-Alien 4- An Opinion Well, I have now listened to the new HW several times. On a scale of 1 (Yuri Gagarin) to 10 (Warriors/Palace Springs) I give it a 6. My main complaint is the reliance on keyboard/synths as filler and atmosphere as opposed to actually writing songs. On this lp, it seems to be kind of a theme lp (Being abducted by and becoming an Alien and losing one's MIND???), but in the first 30 minutes there is only two guitar/rock songs; Alien and Xenomorph. Ok it picks up a bit at the end of Beam me Up. Sputnick Stan is just a plain great song. I do prefer Allan's vocals to Ron's though. Kapal is a very cool instumental, probably my favorite on the lp. After that there are the retreads of Death Trap and Wastelands, which are ok. The Lp closes with Are you Losing your Mind? Well, I am curious what others in the US think now. Still better than a lot of music out there, but not up to what I think these guys can do. They need Carl to join their band and give a kick....... Scott From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Nov 23 01:51:06 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:51:06 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: i No music tonight. Im out in the boonies of central VA people e are asleep mAN. I have some whiskey and a compuserve modem connection to my account. Happy thanksgiving buds Martyn iHow about them Beatles!!! From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Nov 23 01:54:05 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 01:54:05 -0500 Subject: OFF: alt.music.planet-gong Message-ID: Thanks to everone for the Gong information. I see that just because these albums are later releases, it doesn't mean they're not worth checking out. I think the '75 release I saw was indeed Shamal, and I was surprised to see Allan Holdsworth's name on the credits (I don't really know anything about him, but I always figured he was a solo guitarist who had nothing to do w/spacey/psyche music). The '77 release I saw was not a live one, I'm pretty sure of that. I'd love to just find some of the bona fide classics, such as the parts of the trilogy, but this is what I got to choose from right now... Chuck From CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK Thu Nov 23 09:30:42 1995 From: CBates at CICERO.SHU.AC.UK (Chris Bates) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:30:42 EST Subject: 1980 tour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > As far as I was aware Blake left the morning after the stoke gig,due to the > argument over his phone calls and not getting in the car to leave for the next > gig. So the first HW gig I ever saw was Blakes last with the band? Sorry everyone it must have been my fault :-) Chris From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Thu Nov 23 05:07:21 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (R.Stuckey) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:07:21 GMT Subject: OFF: alt.music.planet-gong Message-ID: Here's some Gong related stuff I heard the other day, apparantly they are releasing a recording of the birthday gig last year and also Here & Now, Poison Elektric Head and Moom are playing at the London Forum in December. bye - Rob From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Nov 23 05:23:45 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:23:45 +0000 Subject: Off: Steve Vai In-Reply-To: <125354310101367C@-SMF-> Message-ID: > > Oops, excuse shouting there but speaking as a tech-head guitarist Vai > really > is the man. He's not *neo-classical* like Malmsteen, say, but can mix > jazz, > classical and lots of very heavy metal. And he's got the best attitude, > accepting > his talents as a thing of wonder whilst never being satisfied. Vai has > pushed the > boundaries of rock guitar onto another planet. Not as *sweet* or melodic > as Satriani and some people are put off by his intensity. Let me second this. I thought the stuff Steve Vai did with Dave Lee Roth was fantastic. Also thought his "Passion and Warfare" solo outing was very good. Can't comment on the Whitesnake stuff; was never a big Whitesnake fan so I haven't given it a listen. Dave From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Nov 23 04:50:18 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 20:50:18 +1100 Subject: Off-Topic: To all US BOC-Lers Message-ID: Happy Thanksgiving Guys (& Gals) Paul -- Thought for the sleepless night: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 23 05:48:58 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:48:58 GMT Subject: 1980 lineup changes. In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Wed, 22 Nov 1995 07:07:03 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hi There > > >from Bernhard's work, that he'd left by then. Yet strangely my tape of > >Guildford on 31/10/80 which was after Preston, has "Waiting for Nati" > >and "Lighthouse" on it. > HAWKWIND palyed WAITING FOR NATI only at one gig, FOLKESTONE, 12.JULY.1980 Sorry, this can't be right. I'm prepared to concede that my tape with "Nati" and Lighthouse" may not be Guildford but I also have Folkestone with those tracks and it's not that either. Do you have tracklists for all the tapes you have from 1980 Bernhard? It'd be good to figure out which gig I have marked as Guildford. Here's the list for the two gigs: Leas Cliff Hall Folkestone 12/7/80 C90 (9) Spirit of the Age Urban Guerilla Who's Gonna Win the War The Fifth Second of Forever Dust of Time Space Chase Waiting For Nati Lighthouse Brainstorm Master of the Universe Silver Machine Levitation ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Guildford 31/10/80 C90 (10) Levitation Motorway City Deathtrap Shot Down in the Night Psychosis The Fifth Second of Forever Dust of Time Waiting For Nati Lighthouse Space Chase Urban Guerilla Space Chase Who's Gonna Win the War Psi Power Silver Machine From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Nov 23 05:32:06 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 21:32:06 +1100 Subject: 1980 tour Message-ID: On 23 Nov 95 Martyn Lawrence wrote about Re: 1980 tour: > I was as surprised as most when I saw him with Toyah's band and that he wrote > itss a mysstery. I didn't know that! Time to dust off my Toyah albums to see for myself! Paul -- Thought for the day: Advertising (n): the science of arresting the human intelligence for long enough to get money from it. -- Stephen Leacock. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Thu Nov 23 08:49:13 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 13:49:13 +0000 Subject: What did I drink? -Reply Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Besides, drugs, archeology and rock&roll never caught on. >Er, Stonehenge? >Dave. That's druids, archeology and rock&roll. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< but the druids knew the secret of what made the agaric fly.... From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Thu Nov 23 09:46:35 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 14:46:35 +0000 Subject: OFF: Porky Tree Info Message-ID: The following might be of some little interest to fans of the porky ones Also, for those lovers of all things psychedelic and backwards guitar type ephemera, then do thyselves a favour and go and buy (if you're lucky for the 1.99 i paid) something by the mooseheart faith interstellar groove band, i just got their 3rd album (cosmic somethingorother) and wooooahhh, imagine the hawks had they been one of the pebbles volume three bands, one song "feel, the awesome sky" ensured some of my students actually enjoyed a lecture of mine, of light is the day, taste green and smell purple afwyg with flowers in his hair >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NEW ALBUM & SINGLE FOR '96 - PT are currently recording their new album "SIGNIFY" for release at the end of Spring 1996, preceded by a new single "WAITING" sometime in March next year. Live dates are expected to support each release. More news as soon as we get it... 29.11.95 Bristol University, BRISTOL (incorrectly advertised as Ozric Tentacles support) 01.12.95 The Forum, LONDON (Ozric Tentacles support) 02.12.95 Wulfrun Hall, WOLVERHAMPTON (Ozric Tentacles support) 04.12.95 The Pier, PORTSMOUTH (incorrectly advertised as Ozric Tentacles support) 06.12.95 The Garage, GLASGOW (incorrectly advertised as Ozric Tentacles support) 08.12.95 Trent University, NOTTINGHAM (Ozric Tentacles support) 09.12.95 The Academy, Manchester University, MANCHESTER (Ozric Tentacles support) 10.12.95 The Foundry, Sheffield University, SHEFFIELD (Ozric Tentacles support) 23.12.95 The Rodon Club, ATHENS, Greece <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Thu Nov 23 10:05:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:05:00 -0500 Subject: Crum=Salt tank? Message-ID: Hello, happy Thansgiving to all in the us!! Anayway, I have before me acouple of the Salt Tank CD's (3&4) and I have yet to hear them, but I was informed that this was a band with Crum in it? Does anyone know if Crum is: M.Stanners or D. Gates? I am curious as to what they sound like and will find out later. Also, I have the Shockhead demo of Crum from 1990 and this is great stuff. Sort of a agents of chaos influence, swirling synths, but more guitar, pretty heavy at times. Scott http://www.mgh.harvard.edu/depts/molendo/scott/scott2.htm ObCassette: Saber Tiger-Saber Tiger (japan) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 23 10:25:09 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 15:25:09 +0000 Subject: Alien 4- Revisited In-Reply-To: <01HXYJNKUFEOYOVG7O@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> from "Scott Heller" at Nov 22, 95 09:55:00 pm Message-ID: > Kapal is a very cool > instumental, probably my favorite on the lp. I also find "Vega" strangely appealing. Normally, the Brock synth-wash pieces all sound the same to me, but "Vega", unusually, managed to capture my fancy somehow. > After that there are the > retreads of Death Trap and Wastelands, which are ok. I've been wondering about the guitar on these. When _Area S4_ came out, I was delighted by the cool wah guitar action which hadn't been heard from Brock in a while. Then when _Alien 4_ was released there was a note that that Jerry bloke had played guitar on Death Trap, so I thought maybe that wasn't Brock after all. Now I am back to thinking the wah guitar _was_ Brock: there's a bit of non-wahed guitar solo in Death Trap which plays over the wah noodling which could be Jerry's bit, and there's a good bit of other wah guitar sections stashed about on the album as a whole. Plus, the wah guitar on "Death Trap" does seem awfully like the Brock wahing of old .... > They need Carl to join their band and give a kick....... Yeah, right! Scott kindly overrates my very limited skills :} Nevertheless, I'm getting a band together here in Cambridge and all goes well we'll be jamming tonight for the first time! Look for progressive psychedelic heavy rock emerging from East Anglia during the coming year :) Plus, my sister will be finishing adding synth work in the next few months to the demo tape I recorded with Chris Bruce this past summer and I'll try to find some reasonable scheme of getting copies of it to those who want them when the time comes (and it will come, unlike the demo from the late and marginally lamented Ossian's Ride demo ;) Plus, Tania Ruiz (ex of this list and creator of the Brain Surgeons homepage) sings throughout and DavID Kuznick (of this list) contributes synth work to the "amazing Hawkwind rip-off song" :) A real boc-l effort! Cheers, Carl From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Thu Nov 23 10:40:36 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 15:40:36 GMT Subject: Alien 4- Revisited In-Reply-To: Carl E. Anderson's message of Thu, 23 Nov 1995 15:25:09 +0000 Message-ID: > I also find "Vega" strangely appealing. Normally, the Brock > synth-wash pieces all sound the same to me, but "Vega", unusually, managed > to capture my fancy somehow. I think this is by Alan. Blue Shift, Wave Upon Wave and Altair are certainly by Alan. Dave. From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu Nov 23 10:52:59 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:52:59 -0500 Subject: Alien 4- Revisited Message-ID: > > Hawkwind-Alien 4- An Opinion > > Well, I have now listened to the new HW several times. On a scale > of 1 (Yuri Gagarin) to 10 (Warriors/Palace Springs) I give it a 6. My > main complaint is the reliance on keyboard/synths as filler and > atmosphere as opposed to actually writing songs. On this lp, it seems > to be kind of a theme lp (Being abducted by and becoming an Alien and > losing one's MIND???), but in the first 30 minutes there is only two > guitar/rock songs; Alien and Xenomorph. Ok it picks up a bit at the > end of Beam me Up. Sputnick Stan is just a plain great song. I do > prefer Allan's vocals to Ron's though. Kapal is a very cool > instumental, probably my favorite on the lp. After that there are the > retreads of Death Trap and Wastelands, which are ok. The Lp closes > with Are you Losing your Mind? > > Well, I am curious what others in the US think now. Still better > than a lot of music out there, but not up to what I think these guys > can do. They need Carl to join their band and give a kick....... > > Scott > > I have also just picked up a import cd of this, and immediatly played it a couple times. Previously I had posted that I rather liked Ron's vocals, based on only hearing the EP. The songs selected for the EP are very good, and utilize Ron's vocal style well. As far as the rest of the CD, Alien 4, I must now join the others who critisized Ron's vocals. There are some songs here that would have been very good songs, but Ron's vocals have made it so I don't think I want to here these songs ever again. HE SUCKS, ALOT! There are some very excellent songs on this, but not enough of them to make this as listenable as ET, or HotMG, or most any other HW cd. Duane -- From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 23 11:16:09 1995 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:16:09 +0000 Subject: BOC in Paris In-Reply-To: <9511221024.AA08563@phinet.sb.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Nov 1995, CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY wrote: > I'm already in a sweat, I've got my ticket for the London date on > Dec 13. > > .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com > Hi everyone: I only got onto this list a week ago ( it was Carl's fault ), and so I have totally failed to hear about this London gig. In the name of charity and the `harpe', can anyone tell me where in London, and if tickets are still avilable, and give contact numbers if they have any? It would be one hell of a way to start celebrating Christmas... Thanks in advance, or never mind if not, Jon Jarrett /________________________________________________________\ | () | | Jon Jarrett () "What that boy needs is | | Pembroke College () a damn good haircut | | Cambridge CB2 1RF () and a spell in the | | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk () Army" | \___________________________()___________________________/ From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Nov 23 11:34:06 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:34:06 +0000 Subject: BOC in Paris In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:16:09 GMT." Message-ID: > > Hi everyone: I only got onto this list a week ago ( it was Carl's > fault ), and so I have totally failed to hear about this London gig. In Hardly surprising, since there's not exactly billboards in every town. > the name of charity and the `harpe', can anyone tell me where in London, > and if tickets are still avilable, and give contact numbers if they have Since its the Forum, I guess tickets will get sold via the usual extortionate outlets like TicketMaster etc. You may be able to get them from the Forum box office direct (anyone done this) BO tel 0171-344 0044. Then again, its the Forum. I can't believe BOC will sell it out, so you could get tix on the door.. > Jon Jarrett > /________________________________________________________\ > | () | > | Jon Jarrett () "What that boy needs is | > | Pembroke College () a damn good haircut | > | Cambridge CB2 1RF () and a spell in the | > | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk () Army" | Or as George would say - "Get a haircut, and get a real job!! " See you there Tim From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Thu Nov 23 11:46:07 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 16:46:07 +0000 Subject: BOC in Paris In-Reply-To: from "Jon Jarrett" at Nov 23, 95 04:16:09 pm Message-ID: > > Hi everyone: I only got onto this list a week ago ( it was Carl's > fault ), and so I have totally failed to hear about this London gig. In > the name of charity and the `harpe', can anyone tell me where in London, > and if tickets are still avilable, and give contact numbers if they have > any? It would be one hell of a way to start celebrating Christmas... BOC's London date is at the Forum in Kentish Town (take the Northern Line tube, stop beyond Camden). Please note that the Northen Line is closed at King's Cross. The Forum box office is on 0171 344 0044 Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Nov 23 12:21:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 17:21:00 GMT Subject: BOC in Paris Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <27979.9511231634 at dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> > > Then again, its the Forum. I can't believe BOC will sell it out, so you > could > get tix on the door.. Especially as Therapy? and Fish are both in town the same night... - Andy ObCD: Iggy Pop - _Instinct_ From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Nov 23 12:31:26 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:31:26 -0500 Subject: correction on Foot TAB Message-ID: I incorrectly stated that the chords towards the end of Foot are: She's As Beautiful, Whoa So Beautiful, Beautiful As A Foot D Am C D they should be: She's As Beautiful, Whoa So Beautiful, Beautiful As A Foot D F C D therefore the ending would be she heard someone say (she heard someone say) D F C the other day D ROBO From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Nov 23 13:01:17 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:01:17 +0000 Subject: WotT (was BOC concert) In-Reply-To: <9511201336.AA14842@phinet.sb.com> Message-ID: > > Anyone aware of a UK / European release date yet? I saw it on import in > Virgin for abour 33 quid. > > > .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com > Take a trip to Tower records, it's at least a tenner cheaper. Dave From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Nov 23 13:12:25 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:12:25 +0000 Subject: BOC covers In-Reply-To: <9511152256.AA27850@worldlink.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, albert bouchard wrote: > [....] These are faithful > renditions of whole tunes besides Don would always throw in some different > reference to other tunes in his solos every night (ie. Sea Hunt Theme at > the end of Subhuman). On the final solo on Moon Crazy from the mirrors album, there is a little piece Don plays which is from a Duke Ellington tune. Bolle told me the name of the tune, but I forgot what it was :( Dave From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 23 13:41:35 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 18:41:35 +0000 Subject: Alien 4- Revisited In-Reply-To: <199511231552.AA24084@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Nov 23, 95 10:52:59 am Message-ID: > The songs selected for the EP > are very good, and utilize Ron's vocal style well. As far as the rest > of the CD, Alien 4, I must now join the others who critisized Ron's > vocals. There are some songs here that would have been very good songs, > but Ron's vocals have made it so I don't think I want to here these songs > ever again. HE SUCKS, ALOT! I think "Beam Me Up" is the most hideous moment. Actually, that entire track seems like a colossal balls-up, since it never really figures out what it's trying to do ... there are some quite good bits in it that sound nothing at some of the other (crap) bits. And that hideous warbling from Ron, "Extraterrestrial ..... Supernatural!" or whatever does not bear thinking about. > There are some very excellent songs on this, but not enough of them to > make this as listenable as ET, or HotMG, or most any other HW cd. Well, HotMG is about my favorite (along with _SR_ and _PS_) so clearly there can be scant comparison ... ;) but I still think it stands up well with _ET_. I think I like it better than most of _Space Bandits_ (though "Out of the Shadows" *live* is easily the best Hawkwind song since I don't know when), and I definately like _A4_ better than _IITBOTFTBD_ (which I listened to once, maybe twice, and have hardly ever played again. The band likes Ron, so he's unlikely to go, but perhaps if his vocals can be reined in a bit we can expect more rock on future releases? This is, mind you, Carl being optimistic and defiantly taking a positive view amidst cries of "This sucks!" ;) but at least the rock quotient is higher on _A4_ than _IITBOTFTBD_ ... Hopefully these meandering instro tendancies can work themselves out in solo projects or further "Psychedelic Warriors" releases and not pollute potential space rock blanga-fests .... Cheers, Carl From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Thu Nov 23 01:55:28 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 07:55:28 +0100 Subject: 1980 tour Message-ID: Hi there > Im pretty sure Blake was still with them at Preston. Sorry Martyn,but I am not so sure. As far as I know Tim left after the HANLEY gig, 17.10.1980. Two days after the Hanley gig (the 18.10.1980 was a day off) TWINK played on syths.until LEICESTER 24.10.1980.HAYLES joyned on the same day and they played TOGETHER during this gig (unfortunately no tape exist from this gig) MOORCOCK guested in PRESTON, 20.10.1980. You can notice all these changes by reading the track-listings from these gigs. Here is a small list from the Autumn 1980 tour BK=Brock, BA=Baker, LL=Lloyd langton, BL=Blake, HA=Hayles, TK=Twink Manchester Apollo 10-Oct-80 Fri BR/BA/LL/BL/BK Liverpool Empire 11-Oct-80 Sat BR/BA/LL/BL/BK Derby Assembly Rooms 12-Oct-80 Sun BR/BA/LL/BL/BK Sheffield City Hall 13-Oct-80 Mon BR/BA/LL/BL/BK Birmingham Odeon 14-Oct-80 Tue BR/BA/LL/BL/BK Ipswich Gaumont 15-Oct-80 Wed BR/BA/LL/BL/BK Gloucester Leisure Centre 16-Oct-80 Thu BR/BA/LL/BL/BK Hanley Victoria Hall 17-Oct-80 Fri BR/BA/LL/BL/BK Oxford Apollo 19-Oct-80 Sun BR/BA/LL/BK/TK Preston Guild Hall 20-Oct-80 Mon BR/BA/LL/BK/TK/MO Glasgow Apollo 21-Oct-80 Tue BR/BA/LL/BK/TK Newcastle City Hall 22-Oct-80 Wed BR/BA/LL/BK/TK Leicester DeMontfort Hall 24-Oct-80 Fri BR/BA/LL/HA/TK/BK St.Austell New Cornish Riv 25-Oct-80 Sat BR/BA/LL/HA/BK Poole Wessex Hall 26-Oct-80 Sun BR/BA/LL/HA/BK Portsmouth Guild Hall 28-Oct-80 Tue BR/BA/LL/HA/BK Taunton Odeon 29-Oct-80 Wed BR/BA/LL/HA/BK Bristol Colston Hall 30-Oct-80 Thu BR/BA/LL/HA/BK Guildford University 31-Oct-80 Fri BR/BA/LL/HA/BK Norwich University 01-Nov-80 Sat BR/BA/LL/HA/BK London Hammersmith 02-Nov-80 Sun BR/BA/LL/HA/BK London Hammersmith 03-Nov-80 Mon BR/BA/LL/HA/BK Croydon Fairfields Hall 04-Nov-80 Tue BR/BA/LL/HA/BK Trefforest Town Hall 05-Nov-80 Wed BR/BA/LL/HA/BK Chelmsford Odeon 06-Nov-80 Thu BR/BA/LL/HA/BK Cardiff Polytechnic 08-Nov-80 Sat BR/BA/LL/HA/BK Hull City Hall 09-Nov-80 Sun BR/BA/LL/HA/BK Doncaster Rotters 10-Nov-80 Mon BR/BA/LL/HA/BK Grimsby Central Hall 11-Nov-80 Tue BR/BA/LL/HA/BK Belfast Ulster Hall 13-Nov-80 Thu BR/BA/LL/HA/BK Dublin Grand Cinema 14-Nov-80 Fri BR/BA/LL/HA/BK Cork University 15-Nov-80 Sat BR/BA/LL/HA/BK Hope this helps Bernhard ======================================================= BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 23 14:42:17 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 19:42:17 GMT Subject: HW: cover differences In-Reply-To: Derrick Chilton's message of Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:24:55 +0000 Message-ID: > But on this subject does any know why the single release of Who's Gonna > Win The War (the Charisma Version) has two differently coloured centres, I > forget the exact colours. Both on the Bronze label if I remember correctly but the label changed in between issues. One is blue, I think, and one is buff-coloured? The blue one certainly has portraits of of the progression from hominid -> human walking round the label, circling the little hole in the middle. Neat. > Also on this theme the first Freinds and > Relations volume came in a White Sleeve as well as a Grey(silver?) > sleeve..strange. Again, different re-issues. > So did the Motorhead/Valium 10 12inch.... > I think this one was deliberate. As were the two different covers for "Do Not Panic" - one with red lettering and one with gold. Apparently there was a poster with one of them when it first came out but I've no idea what that was. jill ======================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Nov 23 16:04:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 21:04:00 GMT Subject: HW: cover differences Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9511231942.aa25960 at uk.ac.ed.castle> > > But on this subject does any know why the single release of Who's > > Gonna > > Win The War (the Charisma Version) has two differently coloured > > centres, I > > forget the exact colours. > > Both on the Bronze label if I remember correctly but the label changed > in between issues. One is blue, I think, and one is buff-coloured? > The blue one certainly has portraits of of the progression from > hominid -> human walking round the label, circling the little hole in > the middle. Neat. That's the buff one, isn't it, with the standard Bronze "evolution" design? There's also a green one, with the name "Hawkwind" written as per the album logo. Also, there's a minute difference in the mixes - one has an extra chorus of "who's gonna win the war" at the end, or something like that (it's been a long time since I compared them :) and that's about all I could ever detect. - Andy From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Nov 23 16:04:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 21:04:00 GMT Subject: 1980 tour Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199511230655.HAA07498 at sokrates.ruhr.de> > Two days after the Hanley gig (the 18.10.1980 was a day off) TWINK > played on > syths.until LEICESTER 24.10.1980.HAYLES joyned on the same day and they > played TOGETHER during this gig (unfortunately no tape exist from this > gig) > MOORCOCK guested in PRESTON, 20.10.1980. Aren't we experiencing some confusion between Paul Hayles ('78) and Keith Hale ('80-'81)? - Andy From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Fri Nov 24 09:34:56 1995 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:34:56 EST Subject: 1980 lineup changes. In-Reply-To: <9511231048.aa15489@uk.ac.ed.castle>; from "M Holmes" at Nov 23, 95 10:48:58 am Message-ID: Hi Guys > > Bernhard Pospiech writes: > > > Hi There > > > > >from Bernhard's work, that he'd left by then. Yet strangely my tape of > > >Guildford on 31/10/80 which was after Preston, has "Waiting for Nati" > > >and "Lighthouse" on it. > > HAWKWIND palyed WAITING FOR NATI only at one gig, FOLKESTONE, 12.JULY.1980 > Well in Hawkfan 6 ,he definately left after the Hanley gig,but Blake played Nati and Lighthouse at the Lyseum July gig that I went too,cant remember which one it was though.I didnt realise Preston was after Hanley,so I guess it was Twink. > Sorry, this can't be right. I'm prepared to concede that my tape with > "Nati" and Lighthouse" may not be Guildford but I also have Folkestone > with those tracks and it's not that either. > My copy of the Guildford tape ,has an interview with Brock on it as well,is this the same one that you have mike. > Do you have tracklists for all the tapes you have from 1980 Bernhard? > It'd be good to figure out which gig I have marked as Guildford. > > Here's the list for the two gigs: > > Leas Cliff Hall Folkestone 12/7/80 C90 (9) > Shot down in the night Motorway city > Spirit of the Age > Urban Guerilla > Who's Gonna Win the War > The Fifth Second of Forever > Dust of Time > Space Chase > Waiting For Nati > Lighthouse > Brainstorm > Master of the Universe > Silver Machine > Levitation My tape has the other two tracks. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Guildford 31/10/80 C90 (10) > > Levitation > Motorway City > Deathtrap > Shot Down in the Night > Psychosis > The Fifth Second of Forever > Dust of Time > Waiting For Nati > Lighthouse > Space Chase > Urban Guerilla > Space Chase > Who's Gonna Win the War > Psi Power > Silver Machine > I'll check my copy out tonight. regards Marty From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 23 19:13:06 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 00:13:06 GMT Subject: 1980 lineup changes. In-Reply-To: Martyn Lawrence's message of Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:34:56 EST Message-ID: > > > HAWKWIND palyed WAITING FOR NATI only at one gig, FOLKESTONE, 12.JULY.1980 > > > Well in Hawkfan 6 ,he definately left after the Hanley gig,but Blake played Nati > and Lighthouse at the Lyseum July gig that I went too,cant remember which one it > was though. > This agrees with info I received ages ago from a guy I was writing to about tapes. He mentioned that London Lyceum contained "Nati" - however the tape he sent me - 13 July 1980 - does not have that track on it so I can only assume that it must be the other date - which I don't have. > > Sorry, this can't be right. I'm prepared to concede that my tape with > > "Nati" and Lighthouse" may not be Guildford but I also have Folkestone > > with those tracks and it's not that either. My Guildford tape gets as far as Brainstorm and then is cut. It continues with Silver Machine and Master of the Universe. Maybe Guildford is one of those much maligned and doctored tapes possibly because it's not very good quality - Brainstorm sounds like it's beginning to slur quite badly in parts. The Silver Machine track starts with ?Brock telling the audience they will have to join in all the words. Master of the Universe is very, very fast with loads of Langton's guitar over the top. Terrific! There's a break towards the finale of this track where Brock asks "do you want to hear some more of it?" jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Thu Nov 23 14:47:06 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 20:47:06 +0100 Subject: 1980 lineup changes. Message-ID: Hello Mike Here are all track listings from the 3 summer gigs and the autumn tour 12.07.80, FOLKESTONE, LEAS CLIFF HALL, 80/9 intro / shot down in the night / motorway city / spirit of the age / urban guerilla / prelude / who's gonna win the war / world of tiers / dust of time / space chase / nati / lighthouse / brainstorm / master of the universe / silver machine / levitation 13.07.80, LONDON, LYCEUM, 80/9 intro / shot down in the night / motorway city / spirit of the age / urban guerilla / prelude / who's gonna win the war / world of tiers / dust of time / space chase / lighthouse / brainstorm / master of the universe / silver machine / levitation 20.07.80, LONDON, LYCEUM, 60/7 intro / shot down in the night / motorway city / urban guerilla / prelude / who's gonna win the war / world of tiers / dust of time / space chase / brainstorm 10.10.80, MANCHESTER, APOLLO, 80/7 motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / lighthouse / psychosis / world of tiers / 5th second of forever / dust of time / space chase / prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm / silver machine / master of the universe 11.10.80, LIVERPOOL, EMPIRE, 55/10 levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / lighthouse / psychosis / world of tiers / 5th second of forever / silver machine / master of the universe 13.10.80, SHEFFIELD, CITY HALL, 90/6 motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / lighthouse / psychosis / world of tiers / 5th second of forever / dust of time / space chase / prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm / urban guerilla / silver machine 14.10.80, BIRMINGHAM, ODEON, 90/6 motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / lighthouse / psychosis / world of tiers / 5th second of forever / dust of time / space chase / prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm / silver machine / master of the universe 15.10.80, IPSWICH, GAUMONT, 90/7 motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / lighthouse / psychosis / world of tiers / 5th second of forever / dust of time / space chase / prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm / silver machine / master of the universe 19.10.80, OXFORD, NEW THEATRE, 80/8 levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / spirit of the age / psychosis / world of tiers / 5th second of forever / dust of time / space chase / prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm / silver machine / master of the universe 20.10.80, PRESTON, GUILD HALL, 80/8 levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / standing at the edge /world of tiers / 5th second of forever / dust of time / space chase / prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm / silver machine / master of the universe 21.10.80, GLASGOW, APOLLO, 80/7 levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / spirit of the age / world of tiers / 5th second of forever / dust of time / space chase / psi power / awakening / brainstorm / silver machine / master of the universe 31.10.80, GUILDFORD, UNIVERSITY, 80/8 intro / levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / psychosis / 5th second of forever / dust of time / world of tiers / urban guerilla / space chase / prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm / silver machine / master of the universe 02.11.80, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON, 60/8 intro / levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / psychosis / 5th second of forever / dust of time / world of tiers / urban guerilla 03.11.80, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON, 90/7 intro / levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / psychosis / 5th second of forever / dust of time / world of tiers / urban guerilla / instrumental / space chase / prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm / silver machine 05.11.80, TREFOREST, TOWN HALL 80/7 intro / levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / psychosis / 5th second of forever / dust of time / world of tiers / urban guerilla / instrumental / space chase / prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm 06.11.80, CHELMSFORD, ODEON, 60/9 intro / levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / dust of time / world of tiers / urban guerilla / dangerous vision / space chase 10.11.80, DONCASTER, ROTTERS, 70/8 psychosis / 5th second of foreever / dust of time / world of tiers / instrumental / urban guerilla / dangerous vision / space chase / prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm >Sorry, this can't be right. I'm prepared to concede that my tape with >"Nati" and Lighthouse" may not be Guildford but I also have Folkestone >with those tracks and it's not that either. Maybe you have the WRONG Folkestone tape. I am very sure that me and my friends have the right tape >Do you have tracklists for all the tapes you have from 1980 Bernhard? See above Maybe NATI on your FOLKESTONE tape is NEW JERUSALEM? ttyl Bernhard ======================================================= BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Fri Nov 24 16:27:20 1995 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 16:27:20 EST Subject: 1980 lineup changes. In-Reply-To: <199511231947.UAA08874@sokrates.ruhr.de>; from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Nov 23, 95 08:47:06 pm Message-ID: Gidday > > Hello Mike > > Here are all track listings from the 3 summer gigs and the autumn tour > > 12.07.80, FOLKESTONE, LEAS CLIFF HALL, 80/9 > intro / shot down in the night / motorway city / spirit of the age / urban > guerilla / prelude / who's gonna win the war / world of tiers / dust of time > / space chase / nati / lighthouse / brainstorm / master of the universe / > silver machine / levitation > This is the tape that I have of the 3 summer gigs ,it cuts out abit thru motorway city.Brock also mentions at the start "nice to be by the seaside". > 13.07.80, LONDON, LYCEUM, 80/9 > intro / shot down in the night / motorway city / spirit of the age / urban > guerilla / prelude / who's gonna win the war / world of tiers / dust of time > / space chase / lighthouse / brainstorm / master of the universe / silver > machine / levitation > > 20.07.80, LONDON, LYCEUM, 60/7 > intro / shot down in the night / motorway city / urban guerilla / prelude / > who's gonna win the war / world of tiers / dust of time / space chase / > brainstorm > Well I definitely remember Blake playing Nati ,then Lighthouse as it surprised me ,since I was expecting New Jerusalem,but the track was nice ,it was Blake and a bloody good gig it was too.I still have a ticket stub signed by all except Blake since he had legged it with his girlfriend/wife. > > 31.10.80, GUILDFORD, UNIVERSITY, 80/8 > intro / levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / > psychosis / 5th second of forever / dust of time / world of tiers / urban > guerilla / space chase / prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / > brainstorm / silver machine / master of the universe > >From memory my Guildford tape is the same as this. > >Sorry, this can't be right. I'm prepared to concede that my tape with > >"Nati" and Lighthouse" may not be Guildford but I also have Folkestone > >with those tracks and it's not that either. > Maybe you have the WRONG Folkestone tape. I am very sure that me and my > friends have the right tape > My folkestone tape matches with the above. But what I find curious is that this was the "levitation tour" yet they didn't start playing it till Blake had left.Maybe it took all that time for Ginger to Learn it ;-) > ======================================================= > BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de > regards Marty From richard.cummings at NOR.MKL.COM Fri Nov 24 00:24:00 1995 From: richard.cummings at NOR.MKL.COM (RICHARD CUMMINGS) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 00:24:00 -0500 Subject: HOWDY! Message-ID: Hey, AB I finally made it (thanx to Torgo). I'm not quite sure what everyone is talking about but I gotta get my 2 cents worth in. If you want to check out Vai try Zappa's *drowning witch* album. Vai's listing in the credits is under impossible guitar parts. Frank played all the solos but Vai did some really cool things like 'echoing' the keyboard lines. Other than that I can only take his solo stuff in small doses. As for another guitarist to back up Buck.... I'd sell my soul to Milli Vanilli for the job. Putting Vai in there would be like adding Barry Manilow to Judas Priest. ICK! (Hey Torgo, Thanks again!!) Rich Cummings From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Nov 24 11:27:22 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 17:27:22 +0100 Subject: Who is luis.pardal@crcas01.x400.gc.ca ? Message-ID: Hi All For the last week or so, I keep getting 'Delivery Report (failure) for luis.pardal at crcas01.x400.gc.ca' messages from the X400GATE MTA (gateway.x400.gc.ca). I can only assume that some of my mail goes through this gateway, and is failing for some reason. As most of my mail is directed to boc-l'ers, I was wondering if anyone here has been expecting replies from me that they haven't received? Unfortunately, the error message never contains any details of the original message, so I'm at a loss! Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Nov 24 02:46:07 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 08:46:07 +0100 Subject: Who is luis.pardal@crcas01.x400.gc.ca ? Message-ID: >Hi All >For the last week or so, I keep getting 'Delivery Report (failure) for >luis.pardal at crcas01.x400.gc.ca' messages from the X400GATE MTA >(gateway.x400.gc.ca). > >I can only assume that some of my mail goes through this gateway, and is >failing for some reason. As most of my mail is directed to boc-l'ers, I >was wondering if anyone here has been expecting replies from me that they >haven't received? > >Unfortunately, the error message never contains any details of the >original message, so I'm at a loss! I did also get this type of error, so you're not alone, Paul. However, I got no idea what this is about... >Paul \\joe From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 24 06:34:29 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:34:29 GMT Subject: 1980 lineup changes. In-Reply-To: Martyn Lawrence's message of Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:34:56 EST Message-ID: Martyn Lawrence writes: > Hi Guys > > > > Bernhard Pospiech writes: > > > > > Hi There > > > > > > >from Bernhard's work, that he'd left by then. Yet strangely my tape of > > > >Guildford on 31/10/80 which was after Preston, has "Waiting for Nati" > > > >and "Lighthouse" on it. > > > HAWKWIND palyed WAITING FOR NATI only at one gig, FOLKESTONE, 12.JULY.1980 > > > Well in Hawkfan 6 ,he definately left after the Hanley gig,but Blake played Nati > and Lighthouse at the Lyseum July gig that I went too,cant remember which one it > was though.I didnt realise Preston was after Hanley,so I guess it was Twink. The Lyceum gig was in July and was well before the October/November/December tour. > > Sorry, this can't be right. I'm prepared to concede that my tape with > > "Nati" and Lighthouse" may not be Guildford but I also have Folkestone > > with those tracks and it's not that either. > > > My copy of the Guildford tape ,has an interview with Brock on it as well,is > this the same one that you have mike. Yep. One of us possibly got it from the other. If Bernhard is correct, this isn't Guildford. > > Do you have tracklists for all the tapes you have from 1980 Bernhard? > > It'd be good to figure out which gig I have marked as Guildford. > > > > Here's the list for the two gigs: > > > > Leas Cliff Hall Folkestone 12/7/80 C90 (9) > > > > Shot down in the night > Motorway city > > > Spirit of the Age > > Urban Guerilla > > Who's Gonna Win the War > > The Fifth Second of Forever > > Dust of Time > > Space Chase > > Waiting For Nati > > Lighthouse > > Brainstorm > > Master of the Universe > > Silver Machine > > Levitation > > My tape has the other two tracks. Maybe I should trade for that one... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Guildford 31/10/80 C90 (10) > > > > Levitation > > Motorway City > > Deathtrap > > Shot Down in the Night > > Psychosis > > The Fifth Second of Forever > > Dust of Time > > Waiting For Nati > > Lighthouse > > Space Chase > > Urban Guerilla > > Space Chase > > Who's Gonna Win the War > > Psi Power > > Silver Machine > > > I'll check my copy out tonight. > > regards > > Marty FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 24 06:37:06 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:37:06 GMT Subject: 1980 lineup changes. In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 23 Nov 1995 20:47:06 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > Hello Mike > > Here are all track listings from the 3 summer gigs and the autumn tour > > 12.07.80, FOLKESTONE, LEAS CLIFF HALL, 80/9 > intro / shot down in the night / motorway city / spirit of the age / urban > guerilla / prelude / who's gonna win the war / world of tiers / dust of time > / space chase / nati / lighthouse / brainstorm / master of the universe / > silver machine / levitation > > 13.07.80, LONDON, LYCEUM, 80/9 > intro / shot down in the night / motorway city / spirit of the age / urban > guerilla / prelude / who's gonna win the war / world of tiers / dust of time > / space chase / lighthouse / brainstorm / master of the universe / silver > machine / levitation > > 20.07.80, LONDON, LYCEUM, 60/7 > intro / shot down in the night / motorway city / urban guerilla / prelude / > who's gonna win the war / world of tiers / dust of time / space chase / > brainstorm > > 10.10.80, MANCHESTER, APOLLO, 80/7 > motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / lighthouse / psychosis > / world of tiers / 5th second of forever / dust of time / space chase / > prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm / silver machine > / master of the universe > > 11.10.80, LIVERPOOL, EMPIRE, 55/10 > levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / > lighthouse / psychosis / world of tiers / 5th second of forever / silver > machine / master of the universe > > 13.10.80, SHEFFIELD, CITY HALL, 90/6 > motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / lighthouse / psychosis > / world of tiers / 5th second of forever / dust of time / space chase / > prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm / urban guerilla > / silver machine > > 14.10.80, BIRMINGHAM, ODEON, 90/6 > motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / lighthouse / psychosis > / world of tiers / 5th second of forever / dust of time / space chase / > prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm / silver machine > / master of the universe > > 15.10.80, IPSWICH, GAUMONT, 90/7 > motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / lighthouse / psychosis > / world of tiers / 5th second of forever / dust of time / space chase / > prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm / silver machine > / master of the universe > > 19.10.80, OXFORD, NEW THEATRE, 80/8 > levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / spirit of > the age / > psychosis / world of tiers / 5th second of forever / dust of time / space > chase / prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm / silver > machine / master of the universe > > 20.10.80, PRESTON, GUILD HALL, 80/8 > levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / standing > at the edge /world of tiers / 5th second of forever / dust of time / space > chase / prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm / silver > machine / master of the universe > > 21.10.80, GLASGOW, APOLLO, 80/7 > levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / spirit of > the age / world of tiers / 5th second of forever / dust of time / space > chase / psi power / awakening / brainstorm / silver machine / master of the > universe > > 31.10.80, GUILDFORD, UNIVERSITY, 80/8 > intro / levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / > psychosis / 5th second of forever / dust of time / world of tiers / urban > guerilla / space chase / prelude / who's gonna win the war / psi power / > brainstorm / silver machine / master of the universe > > 02.11.80, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON, 60/8 > intro / levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / > psychosis / 5th second of forever / dust of time / world of tiers / urban > guerilla > > 03.11.80, LONDON, HAMMERSMITH ODEON, 90/7 > intro / levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / > psychosis / 5th second of forever / dust of time / world of tiers / urban > guerilla / instrumental / space chase / prelude / who's gonna win the war / > psi power / brainstorm / silver machine > > 05.11.80, TREFOREST, TOWN HALL 80/7 > intro / levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / > psychosis / 5th second of forever / dust of time / world of tiers / urban > guerilla / instrumental / space chase / prelude / who's gonna win the war / > psi power / brainstorm > > 06.11.80, CHELMSFORD, ODEON, 60/9 > intro / levitation / motorway city / death trap / shot down in the night / > dust of time / world of tiers / urban guerilla / dangerous vision / space chase > > 10.11.80, DONCASTER, ROTTERS, 70/8 > psychosis / 5th second of foreever / dust of time / world of tiers / > instrumental / urban guerilla / dangerous vision / space chase / prelude / > who's gonna win the war / psi power / brainstorm > > > > >Sorry, this can't be right. I'm prepared to concede that my tape with > >"Nati" and Lighthouse" may not be Guildford but I also have Folkestone > >with those tracks and it's not that either. > Maybe you have the WRONG Folkestone tape. I am very sure that me and my > friends have the right tape > > > >Do you have tracklists for all the tapes you have from 1980 Bernhard? > See above > > Maybe NATI on your FOLKESTONE tape is NEW JERUSALEM? Hang on. You said they played "Nati" at Folkestone. > ttyl > Bernhard > ======================================================= > BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de FoFP From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Fri Nov 24 06:16:39 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 06:16:39 -0500 Subject: Alien 4- Revisited Message-ID: > > I think "Beam Me Up" is the most hideous moment. Actually, that >entire track seems like a colossal balls-up, since it never really figures >out what it's trying to do ... there are some quite good bits in it that >sound nothing at some of the other (crap) bits. And that hideous >warbling from Ron, "Extraterrestrial ..... Supernatural!" or whatever >does not bear thinking about. > You hit the nail on the head. This one is probably the worst track on the cd. > > Well, HotMG is about my favorite (along with _SR_ and _PS_) so >clearly there can be scant comparison ... ;) but I still think it stands >up well with _ET_. I think I like it better than most of _Space Bandits_ >(though "Out of the Shadows" *live* is easily the best Hawkwind song >since I don't know when), and I definately like _A4_ better than >_IITBOTFTBD_ (which I listened to once, maybe twice, and have hardly >ever played again. I must concur on your favorites, and I have not gotten IITBOTFTBD nor will I after reading the bad reviews of it here. Musically A4 is better than SB, but the vocals on SB is at least listenable. > The band likes Ron, so he's unlikely to go, but perhaps if his >vocals can be reined in a bit we can expect more rock on future releases? >This is, mind you, Carl being optimistic and defiantly taking a positive >view amidst cries of "This sucks!" ;) but at least the rock quotient is >higher on _A4_ than _IITBOTFTBD_ ... > Hopefully these meandering instro tendancies can work themselves >out in solo projects or further "Psychedelic Warriors" releases and not >pollute potential space rock blanga-fests .... > >Cheers, >Carl I don't have a problem so much with Ron in the band as I do with the fact that he hasn't found a proper fit for his voice within the music. He shows some promise, and maybe with time these things will work themselves out. Anyone have any guesses as to the " mystery prize " mentioned in the caption contest? Duane -- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 24 08:14:36 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 13:14:36 GMT Subject: 1980 lineup changes. In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:37:06 GMT Message-ID: > > Maybe NATI on your FOLKESTONE tape is NEW JERUSALEM? > > Hang on. You said they played "Nati" at Folkestone. > my understanding is that they played Nati at Folkestone *and* at one of the London, Lyceum gigs (possibly the 20th?) What's the date on the ticket stub? They can't, or shouldn't have been playing Nati at Guildford since Blake had long ago left by then. The first half of Mike's Guildford tape looks the same as the rest of the tracklists - it's the second half that looks strange - nowhere else does the band end up with Psi Power followed by Silver Machine - there's always Brainstorm or Master of the Universe in there somewhere. Maybe this is the tracklist for the 2nd half of the London Lyceum gig that Blake *did* play at? Does anyone else have both London Lyceum tapes? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 24 08:16:50 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 13:16:50 GMT Subject: Who is luis.pardal@crcas01.x400.gc.ca ? In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Fri, 24 Nov 1995 08:46:07 +0100 Message-ID: > >Hi All > >For the last week or so, I keep getting 'Delivery Report (failure) for > >luis.pardal at crcas01.x400.gc.ca' messages from the X400GATE MTA > >(gateway.x400.gc.ca). > I did also get this type of error, so you're not alone, Paul. > However, I got no idea what this is about... > The person concerned maybe gave a wrong address to the LISTSERV and it is bouncing mail back to the boc-list - i.e. all of us! Seems to have gone away now tho' jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Nov 24 08:37:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 08:37:00 EST Subject: Off: Steve Vai Message-ID: Right on Chris!! You said what I should have about SV, but I figured this would be a minor sidebar rather than the major discussion it has become. Steve has a triple neck guitar (2 left, 1 right) and when he got right and left necks working together it was pretty amazing. I think he has a good head about things and plenty of skill. Somebody mentioned their list of top 5 guitarists a while ago and he would be on my list. Rudy From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Fri Nov 24 08:41:11 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 13:41:11 GMT Subject: Alien 4- Revisited In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Fri, 24 Nov 1995 06:16:39 -0500 Message-ID: > > I think "Beam Me Up" is the most hideous moment. > > You hit the nail on the head. This one is probably the worst track. Just to show that hawkfans will never, ever, agree on anything, I really like this track. It's noticeably better than, say, Xenomorph, which I can't even remember. > I don't have a problem so much with Ron in the band as I do with the > fact that he hasn't found a proper fit for his voice within the music. I think he has, but you don't like the result! Oh well. Dave. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Nov 24 10:00:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:00:00 EST Subject: 1980 lineup changes chat jealousy Message-ID: I'm loving this discussion. This is a battle of the HW experts in the long term memory arena (any interest in this as a purely psychological phenomenon, Dr. Bob?). Unfortunately, I've not seen HW in 1980 nor have I ever heard "Waiting for Nati" or "New Jerusalem" so you guys are killing me with jealousy. Signed ticket stubs yet. Damn, I'm not worthy. BTW - Bernhard, I was fascinated by your 80 tour line up break down and read it closely. You need to fix it because a "BR" appears often and it's not in your legend. It screwed me up. Rudy From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 24 10:39:05 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 15:39:05 GMT Subject: 1980 lineup changes chat jealousy In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Fri, 24 Nov 1995 10:00:00 EST Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > I'm loving this discussion. This is a battle of the HW experts in the long > term memory arena (any interest in this as a purely psychological > phenomenon, Dr. Bob?). Unfortunately, I've not seen HW in 1980 nor have I > ever heard "Waiting for Nati" or "New Jerusalem" so you guys are killing me > with jealousy. Signed ticket stubs yet. Damn, I'm not worthy. I've always had it in mind to put together a compilation tape of Hawkwind tracks that didn't make it onto records. If and when I get this done, I could distribute copies. Maybe Bernhard and myself should confer on which tapes contain unusual tracks. Anyway, Blake played "Blake's New Jerusalem" while on tour with Hawkwind in 1979. It's from his album of that name and for fans of electronic music it's a tour de force. I wore out copies of this LP while a student. It's probably still my favourite piece of music. > Rudy FoFP From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Fri Nov 24 11:04:48 1995 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 16:04:48 +0000 Subject: BOC:Kerrang Biog (At last) Message-ID: Sorry for the delay- here it is (if you're still interested) Originally travelling under the monikers of SWU & SFG (recording one album for Columbia as the latter & still using the former for secret gigs & one - off projects to this day), BOC rapidly established an art rock & biker following on the back of frequent support tours with Alice Cooper. Their customised Pagan logo for Chaos can still be seen on numerous road hogs worldwide. Throughout the 70's & under the guidance of writer/producer Sandy Pearlman, the band crossed the bridge from underground to mainstream success. Eventually admired as much by the East Coast opium fiends as by West Coast surfers & European headbangers, BOC were melodic, moody & the cranium-crunching alternative to the likes of Aerosmith & Ther Eagle. At their height they were a cartoon acid tab for the masses, a toungue in cheek riff monster & an intalligent powerhouse. The bands earliest recorded output for the Columbia label could not match their live reputation . Alkthough the eponymous debut wasa hotch potch of crashing guitars & cosmic imagery, the potential was hard to ignore. Diehard fans, however , would rather remember 1974's Secret Treaties as an album to cherish. With its cover drawing of a ME262 bomber & appropriately relentless musical muscle, ST is also unusual for its lyrical contribution from NYC's priestess of punk poetry, Patti Smith. She contributed several lyrics to the album & could be seen around town in the arms of keyboard player Allen Lanier. It was a lasting relationship, both musically & romantically. In 1984 Smith contributed a song (Shooting Shark)to the bands RBN album, & her involvement endeared BOC to a whole new circle of fans world wide. In 1975 the band recorded the first of their three live albums. Although OYFOOYK was produced in a bucket of sand, the double live set containd the cream of BOC's material, such as Last Days of May, 7 Screaming diz-busters, Hot rails to Hell & The Red & The Black. Even the cover artwork - a gleaming stretch limo parked outside a shrouded chapel - was as powerful a statement as any in the field of Heavy Metal. Off stage the 5 members of BOC were unassuming & quiet. There are no great stories of drug or stimulant abuse. All are softly spken & well informed, character trend that didn't really prepare the band fr their massive success in1976. Rumour has it that Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roesier wrote the three chrds to DFtR as a direct tribute to The Byrds. It became an immediate Hard Rock classic & is still the centre point to any live show, the spiralling riff always played on Buck's pre-set Gibsoon SG & Blom supplying the songs massive sustain with the help of the then revolutionary E-Bow. The song was an instant hit in America but didnt chart in the UK until 1978. It was taken from the album Agents of Fortune which could also boast another live favorite in the shape of ETI, as well as Patti Smith on backing vocals again. The band were finally an international attraction that toured any venue that could accomodate their pyros & lasers. Although underrated by critics, 1978's live album SEE was a high-energy celebration of BOC. From the opening rush of R U Ready to Rock & Godzilla to the climatic rollercoaster of Astronomy & DFtR itself, it's essential listening for a fan of any genuinely live albums. The release of Mirrors in 1979 saw the band growing slicker. It was a move that worried long-term fans of the more familiar bludgeon & bombast. CE, & FOUO continued to dissapoint, & when drummer Albert Bouchard quit after the the bands appearance at Donington, many feares the worst. The show was not a great success & Bloom managed to offend almost everyone he encountered backstage. It was not a comfortable time for the band. 1982's third live album ETL was a stodgy affair, featuring the bands drum roadie standing in for Bouchard! That year Buck also cut a solo album (Flat Out) whilst Bloom could be heard as a DJ on a NY radio station. The bands career continued to wane throughout the '80's until the release of Imaginos i 1988. The album, despite hinting at the bands former glories, was recieved with massed critical confusion. Eventually it transpired that it was originall recorded as a solo album by Al Bouchard, but partially re-recorded by the band & released under the name of BOC. It was not a move to calm the stormy waters , although sales & general interest remained quite healthy. There it is. Writing this out has raised a few questions - what exactly did Bloom say to everyone at Donington? Why is it that every biog of BOC I read has a different interpretation of the BOC logo? & If Imaginos had been released as a solo record by Al - would any of us have regarded it as the classic it undoubtably is? No offence to Al but over here in the UK we probably wouldnt have even known it was released, I say this as it is impossible to get the Brain Surgeons releases over here on my limited budget, & the same would probably be true for Imaginos. There that might stir up a can of worms - maybe I should have put an IMHO in there somewhere :) From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Nov 24 11:11:45 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 16:11:45 GMT Subject: Rare Tracks Message-ID: > I've abstracted out reare tracks from the tracks poll. These are tracks > which have appeared at gigs, on tapes, or singles but which have never > appeared on LP or CD. I guess it'd be good to find as clear as possible tape copies of these and put a compilation tape together > Posn Track Score Votes Author > > 1 Star Song 997 2 Wishart > 11 New Jerusalem 813 8 Blake > 14 The Blackening Rabbit 813 1 Brock? > 41 The Joker Of The Universe 725 2 Moorcock > 64 First Landing On Medusa 671 5 Brock > 73 The Timeship Will Not Sail Again 643 2 Moorcock > 76 Your Secret's Safe With Me 640 6 Wishart > 78 Where Are They Now? 639 4 Brock > 96 Time For Sale 597 2 Calvert? > 113 Astronauts 564 1 Ashley > 139 Trans Dimensional Man 509 5 Brock > 142 Note From A Cold Planet 508 3 Moorcock > 160 Waiting For Nati 476 5 Blake > 163 Space Travellers 465 3 Bainbridge? > 173 The Welcoming Hands Of Space 454 3 Ashley > 191 They've Got Your Number 417 3 Langton > 196 Make What You Can 410 4 Brock > 201 Touchdown 400 3 Brock > 210 Etchanatae 369 4 Brock? > 216 Mark Of Cain 353 3 Langton > 231 Ode To A Crystal Set 333 2 Calvert > 247 Time Of 307 6 Brock? > 288 My Armour's Killing Me 161 6 Moorcock > 292 Raping Robots In The Street 137 6 Brock > 307 Live And Let Live 13 2 Brock? also: Rambo In Space Ashley Coleridge On The Enterprise Ashley Land of Inspirations Chadwick There might also be a case for adding weird stuff like Moorcock doing "Warriors On the Edge" to the tune of "Spirit of the Age" Anyone know of any others? FoFP From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Nov 24 11:50:14 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:50:14 -0500 Subject: Who is luis.pardal@crcas01.x400.gc.ca ? Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-24 02:32:24 EST, you write: >For the last week or so, I keep getting 'Delivery Report (failure) for >luis.pardal at crcas01.x400.gc.ca' messages from the X400GATE MTA >(gateway.x400.gc.ca). > >I can only assume that some of my mail goes through this gateway, and is >failing for some reason. As most of my mail is directed to boc-l'ers, I >was wondering if anyone here has been expecting replies from me that they >haven't received? > >Unfortunately, the error message never contains any details of the >original message, so I'm at a loss! > > >Paul yeah, I've been getting those as well, and they are pretty damn annoying! ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Nov 24 12:46:09 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 12:46:09 -0500 Subject: Off: Steve Vai Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-24 08:50:16 EST, you write: >Somebody mentioned their list of top >5 guitarists a while ago and he would be on my list. > >Rudy > > I would be interested to see your top 5 guitarist list... 1) Robert Johnson 2) Eric Clapton 3) Stevie Ray Vaughn 4) Jimi Hendrix 5) Buck Dharma I think skill-wise Van Halen beats Buck, but I like Buck's style! ROBO From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Nov 24 13:32:24 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 18:32:24 +0000 Subject: Alien 4- Revisited In-Reply-To: <2640.9511241341@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Nov 24, 95 01:41:11 pm Message-ID: > > > I think "Beam Me Up" is the most hideous moment. > > > > You hit the nail on the head. This one is probably the worst track. > > Just to show that hawkfans will never, ever, agree on anything, I really > like this track. It's noticeably better than, say, Xenomorph, which I > can't even remember. To further confuse the issue, I remember liking "Xenomorph" but can't remember at the moment how it goes .... :) Cheers, Carl From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Nov 24 14:35:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 19:35:00 GMT Subject: 1980 lineup changes chat jealousy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <30B552C4 at volpegate.dot.gov> > I'm loving this discussion. This is a battle of the HW experts in the > long > term memory arena (any interest in this as a purely psychological > phenomenon, Dr. Bob?). Unfortunately, I've not seen HW in 1980 nor > have I > ever heard "Waiting for Nati" or "New Jerusalem" so you guys are > killing me > with jealousy. Signed ticket stubs yet. Damn, I'm not worthy. Ha! It was around 1980 that I started becoming more of an Inner City Unit fan than a Hawkwind fan... "New Jerusalem" is a side-of-an-LP synthesiser and vocal piece that perhaps verges a bit close to the twee for my taste, but is ideal for that once-every-few-years spiritual chill-out (i.e., "Brainstorm" it ain't!) Blake perfomed it on the '79 tour as a solo piece with lasers, which was very effective. I'd say definitely check out the _New Jerusalem_ LP/CD if you liked "Lighthouse" off of _Live 1979_. I don't have any signed ticket stubs, but you might enjoy my signed set-list from ICU at the Elgin, Ladbroke Grove, mid-1980 (soon after _Pass Out_ was issued), signed by Vermilion Sands and Nik Turner. Vermilion (who was doing backup vocals) wrote "N.M.C.S.L.E" under her name, and explained it as "New Motor Cycle Sluts, London, England" (like, obvious, really). Nik wrote under his name, "Vermilion's admirer". That was cool. Mike Moorcock was there too, but I already had his autograph about a hundred times so I didn't bother asking him. :) - Andy From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Nov 24 18:06:16 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 00:06:16 +0100 Subject: Who is luis.pardal@crcas01.x400.gc.ca ? Message-ID: >yeah, I've been getting those as well, and they are pretty damn annoying! Do not panic, BOC-l got a message from Luis - the (lurking) BOC-l dude with the subject addresse - and he's got a little problem with a Domain Name Server. I think we can live with a few error messages, until the problem is solved. Or..? \\joe From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Fri Nov 24 17:14:14 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 23:14:14 +0100 Subject: 1980 lineup changes chat jealousy Message-ID: Hi there >Maybe Bernhard and myself should confer on which tapes contain unusual tracks. I'll use the weekend to compile a list of unusual tapes with unusual tracks cu Bernhard ======================================================= BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Fri Nov 24 17:14:13 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 23:14:13 +0100 Subject: 1980 lineup changes chat jealousy Message-ID: Hi Rudy >BTW - Bernhard, I was fascinated by your 80 tour line up break down and >read it closely. You need to fix it because a "BR" appears often and it's >not in your legend. It screwed me up. You are of course right. It was my fault. The right one is: BR=BROCK cu Bernhard ======================================================= BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Nov 25 02:42:00 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 02:42:00 -0500 Subject: Who is luis.pardal@crcas01.x400.gc.ca ? Message-ID: I also got some Luis Pardal stuff. I tried mailing AB privately about Manowar and Marillion, got it sent back by Postmaster saying they couldn't get the message through to Luis Pardal (and I had no idea who that was). Chuck From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Nov 24 03:02:57 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 19:02:57 +1100 Subject: Off: Neat trick I just learned Message-ID: I just learnt a neat trick! HW fans: point your browsers at my home page, then select the hawkwind link (don't go straight to my HW pages, or you'll miss it) I think U'l like it (as tacky as it is) Paul -- Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Nov 25 13:46:38 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 19:46:38 +0100 Subject: Calling Hawkjoe Message-ID: Hmmm ... I can't mail you for some reason ... my provider keeps complaining that 'eka.ericsson.se' is an unknown host! -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Sat Nov 25 10:15:40 1995 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 10:15:40 -0500 Subject: Another BOC Home Page Message-ID: Did a search on Yahoo this morning and found a new link to another BOC homepage. The www address is as follows: http://www.public.asu.edu/~fayst/boc.html Check it out - today the homepage had the complete FOUO version of Veteran (2.7 Mb) available for download. [Under the link called 'Today's Special'.] I suppose this creator is not concerned of copywrite laws - good for him ! Shawn From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Sat Nov 25 18:49:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 18:49:00 -0500 Subject: BOC: Kerrang Biog Message-ID: According to >>>BOC:Kerrang Biog (At last)<<< >ST is also unusual for its lyrical contribution from NYC's priestess >of punk poetry, Patti Smith. She contributed several lyrics to the >album & could be seen around town in the arms of keyboard player >Allen Lanier. >From where I sit (and I'm glad I can indeed do that again, a few of you know why) Patti Smith only contributed to Career of Evil. You make it sound as if she wrote several songs on this lp for the band. >CE, & FOUO continued to dissapoint, As much as I like the mirrors album, it DID indeed disappoint many of the hardcore fans, yet I've never met a BOC fan that was not absolutely THRILLED with the return to the darker waters of BOC that CE and FOUO gave us. Just WHO did these albums disappoint? The Band? Al? My Born-Again ex-boss who used to pound the "evils" of BOC down my throat? Certainly not old Torgo! >It was not a comfortable time for the band. 1982's third live album >ETL was a stodgy affair, featuring the bands drum roadie standing in >for Bouchard! I know we've been down this road before, but I still like ETL the best of the live albums. And as much as we felt Al's presence missing from the band, I think Downey did an outstanding job during his stay with BOC. I've always had a soft spot for drummers who look as if they are taking out frustrations on their drum kit, and Downey certainly didn't hold back like some studio drummer just punching a timeclock and merely "doing his job"! Much like another of my heavy hitting skin bashing favorites, Cozy Powell, Downey is a fantastic, powerful, and thoroughly entertaining drummer. >Eventually it transpired that it was originall recorded as a solo >album by Al Bouchard, but partially re-recorded by the band & >released under the name of BOC. This is a good example of how sometimes we can know too much about the ones we love. Until I joined the BOC-L, I never even considered that Imaginos was not a full member effort from BOC. Sure it sounded different from much of the other stuff, but BOC's sound, although always remaining true to the BOC style (Yes, even mirrors and Ninja), was constantly evolving and taking on new faces. The album, for me personally, IS a full-fledged BOC release and always will be. As much as I agree that Al really worked the magic on this album, there is no denying the presence of Bloom, Dharma and company. I mean, there are 5 out of 5 original members on this album, yet it's a solo release? If that's the case, then how can Tony Iommi (that spelled right) release Black Sabbath albums with 1 original member, yet Imaginos is regarded as a solo effort with every original member's name appearing on the album? It all boggles Torgo's mind. T-O-R-G-O and TORGO was his name-o robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com Oh yeah, hey Dr. Bob, notice I never said "IMHO" or "Don't flame me please"? Torgo has taken your advice, like everyone, IMHO, should. ooops Damn! I blew it! :^{> <-- Torgo (with evil "Spock" goatee!) From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Sat Nov 25 23:19:51 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 23:19:51 -0500 Subject: BOC: The Light That Never Was Message-ID: > Anyway, I just spotted a book titled "The Light That Never Was"," by > one Lloyd Biggle. It's science fiction, but that's about all the info I > have on it (altho I could find out more if I really tried.) > > This sounds a lot like a line from "Astronomy." Is there a connection? > Does M'sieur Bouchard have any comment on this? (Who wrote the lyrics > to "Astronomy", anyway?) Pearlman wrote the lyrics around 1970. Check when the book was written to see who influenced who. OH, and the Astronomy lines go,"...the light that never = warms=....." not was, so there's probably no connection. Al From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Sun Nov 26 04:28:45 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 10:28:45 +0100 Subject: Space Ritual 1972 Message-ID: Hi folks, I've got one question: How many real DIFFERENT tapes exist from the SPACE RITUAL 1972 tour? On many lists I can find the following tapes: - 22.12.1972 Liverpool - 29.12.1972 Edmonton - 30.12.1972 Brixton In my opinion there exist only one tape (BRIXTON). The other 2 tapes are only bad copies from the BRIXTON tape. If someone has a really different SR tape to the BRIXTON tape, I'm interested to get it! cu Bernhard ======================================================= BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sun Nov 26 12:19:46 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 12:19:46 -0500 Subject: Where's Del? Message-ID: Hello all, I noticed something peculiar when I was reading the credits on the cd Crystal Jungles of Eos by Spiral Realms. Del Detmar is not listed as a member of the band, nor are any credits given to him. He was on the first release, and toured with them on Nik's tour. So, does anyone know what happened to him? Did he split for a solo effort? Duane -- From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sun Nov 26 13:00:01 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 13:00:01 -0500 Subject: SWU Message-ID: found this posted in the SOft White Underbelly folder on AOL...part 2 hasn't been posted yet... ROBO Subj: SWU at the Electric Circus- 1 Date: 95-11-16 19:54:49 EST From: LsVegas Part I - the Club okay New York City is everything you've ever heard about it and lots more. Dirty...dangerous...exciting...powerfull...beyond control. Some cities may be bigger but when you're in New York you know there's something different here. Its like space aliens have taken over the place. Or maybe its actually the ultimate expression of Earth Culture. Earthlings gone mad. Yeah, New York will make extraterrestrials think WE are the dangerous aliens. But then it would just be a matter of time before we would be schmoozing them, and doing deals with them, and the restaurants....mmmm. Down on the Lower East Side is St. Marks Place. One live honky tonk block with clubs and record shops and clothes shops and hair salons and ACTION all over. Bleeker street was good, but maybe a little too conscious of itself. St. Marks was just cookin. In 69, down the middle of the block, were a couple of clubs called the Balloon Farm and the Dom. The Dom was down a level from the street. Dark. Nico played there. Nico was a Warhol model. So white. Like marble. Incredibly beautiful. Incandescent. Pouty. One time I found myself in a limo with her and a couple of friends. This guy she was crashing with, a nice gay Jewish boy, was complaining about her house keeping. "I opened the kitchen drawer and there was BACON FAT! A PAN FULL OF BACON FAT! IN THE DRAWER!!! "Well," she pouted," I was saving it." Above the Dom, and coming down on both sides of it like Jabba the Hutt, was the Balloon Farm. A big space. For big shows. No real decor, but plenty of room. I remember seeing Jeremy Steig there. Flute. And then it was gone. And in its place was the Electric Circus. You walked in and the music was pumping louder than you had ever heard music. And not breaking up. Real clear. Rock and roll as a visceral experience, is always great in a cavernous space. And the lights swung and blinked and burst against the mirrored balls. And the best was the strobes. Most of you have probably seen strobes, but you have not 'experienced' strobes till you have seen strobes with ALL the other lights out. That's when strobe magic happens. Most people have never actually seen that. I see clubs all the time where they flash a little strobe into the mix. Pretty...but frankly... Because when the strobes come on in the complete blackness, something's there...and then its not... I remember at a Group Image show we played, they were tossing some of those giant blow up balls from the balcony to the crowd below. Under strobelights. Nobody seemed able to catch them. I can do this - I thought. And I stood under the balcony and watched some guy drop a ball directly down towards me. I've got this - I thought. I could see the ball about three feet above me. Piece of cake. And then nothing was anywhere and the ball was hitting me in the face. Strobes. But the best part of strobes was how they make all movement seem like ballet. Everything is gracefull and beautiful under the strobes. Every dancer is great. Suddenly the lights would go out at the Electric Circus, and a strobe spotlight would pick out a juggling unicyclist in white face appearing and disappearing in stuttering bursts as he swept around the floor...or a LIVE STROBE TIGER would be led flowing across the room...or the strobes would illuminate something high up by the 40 foot ceiling - a trapeze acrobat who would risk fate by twirling like a sparkler in light that came and went. I loved the Electric Circus because it understood the power of spectacle. How a multiplicity of stimulae can take you out of yourself...so that you can not be a voyeur. You are the show. We payed there, the Soft White Underbelly. They loved us there, the people who ran the club, and the people who came. And they were our favorite club. (continued in Part 2 - the Gig) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sun Nov 26 13:36:38 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 18:36:38 +0000 Subject: Where's Del? In-Reply-To: <199511261719.AA27142@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> from "Duane Hoyt" at Nov 26, 95 12:19:46 pm Message-ID: > I noticed something peculiar when I was reading the credits on the cd > Crystal Jungles of Eos by Spiral Realms. Del Detmar is not listed as > a member of the band, nor are any credits given to him. He was on the > first release, and toured with them on Nik's tour. Er, Del wasn't on the first Spiral Realms CD, was he? That was just Simon House and Len Del Rio, though Del played with them on the tour (or stood about looking cool and wasted and twiddled knobs anyway :) Cheers, Carl From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Nov 26 17:17:37 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 17:17:37 -0500 Subject: Where's Del? Message-ID: I dunno, but I have a similar-type question - Why is Dikmik given audio generator credit on the single mixes of "You'd Better Believe It" and "Paradox" on the Lord of Light CD insert? The unedited versions are on HotMG, where Dikmik is given no credit. He must have still been with them in early '74 when they recorded those two live songs?? Chuck From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sun Nov 26 17:24:19 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 22:24:19 GMT Subject: HW: Hawkwind in Record Collector Message-ID: Just a few rare items lurking in Record Collector this month (actually December - but who's counting) Issue No. 196 John Talbot, St Mary's, Slater's Lane, Tamworth,Staffs, B79 8BH Tel/Fax: 01827 69979 is offering the following Hawkwind: Live, Watchfield Stonehenge Festival 1976 M/M 50.00 pounds [this is the rare vinyl bootleg of the 103Wierd tape] Hawkwind [1st album] Spanish promo M/M 50.00 pounds Sonic Attack EX/EX 20.00 pounds Hawklords PSI Power (USA Charisma promo) M 25.00 pounds The prices are certainly on the high side but, in all honesty, not much more than I would expect. Just in case anyone is interested tho'! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Sun Nov 26 18:16:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 23:16:00 GMT Subject: Where's Del? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01HY3UVFJICI9ATQ19 at delphi.com> > I dunno, but I have a similar-type question - Why is Dikmik > given audio generator credit on the single mixes of "You'd > Better Believe It" and "Paradox" on the Lord of Light CD > insert? The unedited versions are on HotMG, where Dikmik is > given no credit. He must have still been with them in early '74 > when they recorded those two live songs?? > > Chuck I think it's probably an error on _Lord of Light_ - according to the normally reliable _Rock Family Trees_, DikMik "finally left for good" in August '73. (He'd left before, in '71, and rejoined, which is why his picture was a last-minute addition to the _In Search of Space_ sleeve.) - Andy ObHomePage: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Andy_Gilham From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Nov 27 05:37:57 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 10:37:57 +0000 Subject: BOC: The Light That Never Was (misheard) In-Reply-To: <9511252319.AA51877@worldlink.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Nov 1995, albert bouchard wrote: > > Pearlman wrote the lyrics around 1970. Check when the book was written to see > who influenced who. OH, and the Astronomy lines go,"...the light that never = > warms=....." not was, so there's probably no connection. > Al > For me, this was always one of those misheard lines. Until I joined this list I was under the impression that the lyric was "...the light that never wans", which is also quite good I think! Dave From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Nov 27 07:10:04 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 07:10:04 -0500 Subject: Hall o' Fame Message-ID: I just attended our company's Christmas party last night. The owner of the place I work rented out the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for the party. It was a pretty decent party, and I was quite impressed with the exhibits. I was surprised as to the credit given Patti Smith in more than a couple exhibits. Also seen Al's drumsticks. The are on a huge display of hundreds of sticks arranged in a circular pattern. I have a question for Al concerning this. The sticks are autographed to a person named Freddy. Who was/is Freddy? Also the gift shop had quite a large selection on cd's, many of which were BOC, including the WoTT. It was a bit pricey though. All in all, it was better than I thought it would be. Duane -- From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Mon Nov 27 07:26:16 1995 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:26:16 +0000 Subject: BOC: The Light That Never Was (misheard) Message-ID: >On Sat, 25 Nov 1995, albert bouchard wrote: > >> >> Pearlman wrote the lyrics around 1970. Check when the book was written to see >> who influenced who. OH, and the Astronomy lines go,"...the light that never = >> warms=....." not was, so there's probably no connection. >> Al >> >For me, this was always one of those misheard lines. Until I joined this >list I was under the impression that the lyric was "...the light that >never wans", which is also quite good I think! > >Dave > Well, it seems that quite a few of us got THIS wrong don't it?- I thought it said "never warms", but there you go. From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Nov 27 08:13:59 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:13:59 GMT Subject: Hall o' Fame In-Reply-To: Duane Hoyt's message of Mon, 27 Nov 1995 07:10:04 -0500 Message-ID: > I just attended our company's Christmas party last night. The owner ^^^ WHAAAT?! Sheeeest! Have I missed out a month - I knew I slept well this weekend but I didn't realise it was *that* deep. jill (Awake - for morning in the bowl of light/Has flung the stone which sets the stars to flight) ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 27 08:33:51 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 08:33:51 EST Subject: BOC:Kerrang Biog (At last) Message-ID: > Rumour has it that Donald 'Buck Dharma' Roesier wrote the three > chrds to DFtR as a direct tribute to The Byrds. It became an immediate Hard > Rock classic & is still the centre point to any live show, the spiralling > riff always played on Buck's pre-set Gibsoon SG & Blom supplying the songs > massive sustain with the help of the then revolutionary E-Bow. The song was > an instant hit in America but didnt chart in the UK until 1978. It was taken > from the album Agents of Fortune which could also boast another live > favorite in the shape of ETI, as well as Patti Smith on backing vocals again. > There it is. Writing this out has raised a few questions - what exactly did > Bloom say to everyone at Donington? Why is it that every biog of BOC I read > has a different interpretation of the BOC logo? & If Imaginos had been > released as a solo record by Al - would any of us have regarded it as the > classic it undoubtably is? No offence to Al but over here in the UK we > probably wouldnt have even known it was released, I say this as it is > impossible to get the Brain Surgeons releases over here on my limited > budget, & the same would probably be true for Imaginos. There that might > stir up a can of worms - maybe I should have put an IMHO in there somewhere :) Wow, Excellent work, and no IMHO necessary. Fine bit of writing. My one beef, though, is that the guitar Buck used for 'Reaper' is, in fact, a replica of a Gibson SG which was made for him by a fan of the group who was an amateur luthier. The white guitar that Buck used in the old days was a Gibson, though I believe it was refinished from the original wine red color. I believe that this guitar was either stolen or possibly destroyed in a truck crash. In the later 1970s, he played a Les Paul Deluxe for many years, then alternated between that and a custom-made axe that looked like a cross between a Flying V and an Explorer that was made by Giuliano Balestra (sorry for butchering your name). Circa 'Club Ninja', he started using a St. Blues which was sort of a Telecaster copy with more Gibson-like electronics. Lately he's been using a Steinberger. Before Robo et al flame me, I must point out that he occasionally used a Strat with humbucking pickups in the 70s, and also a Les Paul Custom, though not too much. Eric's coolest guitars were a Les Paul Custom with chronos symbol inlaid in the top, and a huge guitar (custom) that was in the very shape of chronos. I believe this was made by Giuliano, but I'm not sure. Sadly, he's been playing junk guitars the last few times I saw him, but that hasn't been in the last 3 years. Allen has usually played Les Pauls. Albert played an SG and I think, a Melody Maker, though I'm not too sure. Joe used Fenders in the early 60s, then played an Alembic for a long time... theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 27 08:41:24 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 08:41:24 EST Subject: BOC: Kerrang Biog Message-ID: > > I know we've been down this road before, but I still like ETL the best > of the live albums. And as much as we felt Al's presence missing from > the band, I think Downey did an outstanding job during his stay with > BOC. I've always had a soft spot for drummers who look as if they are > taking out frustrations on their drum kit, and Downey certainly didn't > hold back like some studio drummer just punching a timeclock and > merely "doing his job"! Much like another of my heavy hitting skin > bashing favorites, Cozy Powell, Downey is a fantastic, powerful, and > thoroughly entertaining drummer. > > > Oh yeah, hey Dr. Bob, notice I never said "IMHO" or "Don't flame me > please"? Torgo has taken your advice, like everyone, IMHO, should. > ooops Damn! I blew it! :^{> <-- Torgo (with evil "Spock" goatee!) Torgo, I had the pleasure of seeing Jeff Beck this summer, and you should definitely catch his drummer, Terry Bozio. His drums must have titanium shells, and heads too. I've never seen anyone hammer the hides like this guy. Huge mountain of gear, a la Carl Palmer. Must see stuff, for sure. theo From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Mon Nov 27 08:52:37 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 08:52:37 -0500 Subject: BOC covers In-Reply-To: from "Hardman DK" at Nov 23, 95 06:12:25 pm Message-ID: > > On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, albert bouchard wrote: > > > [....] These are faithful > > renditions of whole tunes besides Don would always throw in some different > > reference to other tunes in his solos every night (ie. Sea Hunt Theme at > > the end of Subhuman). > > On the final solo on Moon Crazy from the mirrors album, there is a little > piece Don plays which is from a Duke Ellington tune. Bolle told me the > name of the tune, but I forgot what it was :( > > Dave > Methinks the name of the piece is "Caravan". -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 27 09:45:08 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:45:08 -0500 Subject: BOC:Kerrang Biog (At last) Message-ID: Theo lists a whole bunch of stuff regarding BOC's equipment . . . Couple of points and questions. 1. I always thought Buck's guitar which you say looked like a cross between and Explorer and Flying V was in fact an Explorer. 2. In addition to Eric's Les Paul custom w/Chronos logo inlaid, he also had an SG with the logo as well. 3. Don't know 'bout other people's opinions of guitars, but my ears just LOVE the sound of a Strat . . . very sweet indeed. 4. Was Joe's Alembic that big brown bass? He also used something else circa 1980 or '81 - had a black body with a very light-colored neck. I saw an old (circa '72 or '73 I think) picture of BOC, and apparently Joe also used to play a Rickenbacker on occassion. 5. Now that we've got the guitars down, what brand of drums did Al play, and are they different than what he now uses in The Brain Surgeons? I've got an old Modern Drummer article on Al - perhaps I should go look this up myself . . . John From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Mon Nov 27 09:56:28 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:56:28 EST Subject: BOC: Kerrang Biog (a la Zappa) Message-ID: >> I know we've been down this road before, but I still like ETL the best >> of the live albums. And as much as we felt Al's presence missing from >> the band, I think Downey did an outstanding job during his stay with >> BOC. I've always had a soft spot for drummers who look as if they are >> taking out frustrations on their drum kit, and Downey certainly didn't >> hold back like some studio drummer just punching a timeclock and >> merely "doing his job"! Much like another of my heavy hitting skin >> bashing favorites, Cozy Powell, Downey is a fantastic, powerful, and >> thoroughly entertaining drummer. >> >> >> Oh yeah, hey Dr. Bob, notice I never said "IMHO" or "Don't flame me >> please"? Torgo has taken your advice, like everyone, IMHO, should. >> ooops Damn! I blew it! :^{> <-- Torgo (with evil "Spock" goatee!) >Torgo, >I had the pleasure of seeing Jeff Beck this summer, and you should >definitely catch his drummer, Terry Bozio. His drums must have >titanium shells, and heads too. I've never seen anyone hammer the >hides like this guy. Huge mountain of gear, a la Carl Palmer. Must >see stuff, for sure. >theo Yeah, Bozio is an accomplished drummer. You can check out his work on Zappa's _Sheik Yerbouti_ where he also handles lead vocals on a few cuts. He's hillarius (and a little annoying) on "I'm So Cute". Also King Crimson's Adrian Belew handles rhythm guitar and sings on "Jones Crusher". Has anyone heard KC's new "Live in Argentina" CD? Is it as good or better than THRAK? I recently asked for it for Christmas. Brian From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Nov 27 10:06:16 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 10:06:16 -0500 Subject: Mike Watt Live Album? Message-ID: Just saw on "Addicted to Noise" that Mr. Watt may be coming out with a live album sometime soon, which may include some special guests. Any chance that the Bouchards might make an appearance? John From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Mon Nov 27 10:48:07 1995 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:48:07 +0000 Subject: BOC: The Light That Never Was (misheard) Message-ID: >> >Well, it seems that quite a few of us got THIS wrong don't it?- I thought it >said "never warms", but there you go. > Ok I made a booboo, never mind I meant "never wanes" From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 27 11:50:29 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 11:50:29 EST Subject: BOC:Kerrang Biog (At last) Message-ID: > > Theo lists a whole bunch of stuff regarding BOC's equipment . . . > > Couple of points and questions. > > 1. I always thought Buck's guitar which you say looked like a cross > between and Explorer and Flying V was in fact an Explorer. > > 2. In addition to Eric's Les Paul custom w/Chronos logo inlaid, he also > had an SG with the logo as well. > > 3. Don't know 'bout other people's opinions of guitars, but my ears > just LOVE the sound of a Strat . . . very sweet indeed. > > 4. Was Joe's Alembic that big brown bass? He also used something else > circa 1980 or '81 - had a black body with a very light-colored neck. I > saw an old (circa '72 or '73 I think) picture of BOC, and apparently Joe > also used to play a Rickenbacker on occassion. > > 5. Now that we've got the guitars down, what brand of drums did Al play, > and are they different than what he now uses in The Brain Surgeons? I've > got an old Modern Drummer article on Al - perhaps I should go look this > up myself . . . > > John John, I'm 100% sure about the Giuliano gtr. In fact, it was called a vulcan, I believe, make of that what you will. Joe did use Rickenbackers on occasion, and I may be giving his early instruments short shrift. The Alembic was his primary axe from, oh, '77 or so till he left the band. It was dark brown, which may have looked black in some photos, and was a big, ugly mother of an instrument, though made of exotic woods, and was really a sandwich, with lighter colored wood (maple?) in the middle, with, I'm guessing, walnut, or perhaps something more exotic on the outside. Al experimented with different drums. I haven't had the pleasure of seeing the Surgeons, so I don't know what he uses now. In the BOC, he favored large mounted toms, very deep, and huge parade-style drum sticks. I've seen him hammering Sonor, Premier, and Slingerland drum kits, but I couldn't match them up with any specific period of time. Sorry, I'm a gtrst, not a drummer, and I tend to remember the gtr gear better than the other stuff. theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 27 11:57:33 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 11:57:33 EST Subject: BOC:Kerrang Biog (At last) Message-ID: > > 3. Don't know 'bout other people's opinions of guitars, but my ears > just LOVE the sound of a Strat . . . very sweet indeed. > > > John John, I just became a Strat convert myself, after about 20 years of playing humbucking-type gtrs. Seeing Jeff Beck this summer did the trick. I'm not sure how their generally brighter sound would work for the BOC. That's why Buck's strat had humbuckers, I imagine. You never can tell, though. The first Zeppelin album was recorded on a Telecaster through a little Supro amp, but you'd swear it was a 'Paul through a Marshall. A lot has to do with the processing. Robin Trower gets a really thick sound from his Strats, though you'd never mistake it for a Les Paul sound. Most guys who play in heavy bands tend to prefer Gibsons, or Strats with humbucking pickups installed, though a million exceptions exist... theo From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Nov 27 12:45:07 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:45:07 -0500 Subject: BOC:Kerrang Biog (At last) Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-27 08:47:22 EST, you write: >Before Robo et al flame me, I must point out that he occasionally >used a Strat with humbucking pickups in the 70s, and also a Les Paul >Custom, though not too much. Eric's coolest guitars were a Les Paul >Custom with chronos symbol inlaid in the top, and a huge guitar >(custom) that was in the very shape of chronos. yes! Strats rule! and so do the guys that play(ed) them: Jimi, SRV and Clapton... Eric plays them ESPs....Allen plays a Kramer that looks like it's seen its better day... I've only seen the guys play these 3 guitars, and once Allen broke out the acoustic...if Buck breaks a string, do we have to wait for a new one to be put on his Steinberger or does he pick up another guitar? ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Nov 27 12:45:09 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:45:09 -0500 Subject: BOC:Kerrang Biog (At last), Strats rewl! Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-27 09:59:02 EST, you write: >3. Don't know 'bout other people's opinions of guitars, but my ears >just LOVE the sound of a Strat . . . very sweet indeed. > > amen, brother! play Chris Isaak's Wicked Game on a Strat, caress the whammy, and add reverb and you is gonna get lucky with the lil lady...especially if you can sing it as well as Isaak! : } if a person asked me what a Strat sounds like, I'd play SRV's "Little Wing" for 'em... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Nov 27 12:45:16 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:45:16 -0500 Subject: Mike Watt Live Album? Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-27 10:15:57 EST, you write: >Just saw on "Addicted to Noise" that Mr. Watt may be coming out with a >live album sometime soon, which may include some special guests. Any >chance that the Bouchards might make an appearance? > >John if you haven't checked out Addicted To Noise on the Web, it's a fantastic WWW Online Music Mag....http://www.addict.com/ATN/...they have a link to the Brain Surgeons' Cellsum Records, and a article search that when you can find articles on Blue Oyster Cult...they have a pretty good write up on Workshop of the Telescopes w/ sound bytes on there... what I'd like to know, is if anyone ever picked up the Mike Watt single w/ D&S on it? I tried the local record shop about a month ago, and no dice... ROBO From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 27 13:31:15 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:31:15 +0000 Subject: BOC:Kerrang Biog (At last), Strats rewl! In-Reply-To: <951127124509_35393276@mail06.mail.aol.com> from "Rob Maerz" at Nov 27, 95 12:45:09 pm Message-ID: > amen, brother! play Chris Isaak's Wicked Game on a Strat, caress the whammy, > and add reverb and you is gonna get lucky with the lil lady...especially if > you can sing it as well as Isaak! : } Fiddlestix. If she isn't happier with, say, the gentle sounds of Motorhead's "Angel City" then I shall take my Gibson LP elsewhere :) advocating the devil, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Nov 27 13:34:41 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:34:41 +0000 Subject: BOC:Kerrang Biog (At last) In-Reply-To: <50E0D6C3A53@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Nov 27, 95 08:33:51 am Message-ID: > Sadly, he's [Eric B.] been playing junk > guitars the last few times I saw him, but that hasn't been in the > last 3 years. Allen has usually played Les Pauls. I'm pretty sure I've most recently seen both Allen and Eric with ESP guitars. I've never played one myself, but surely they can't be totally crap? Now what is frightening is Buck's amp etc. ... it's like the bleeding space shuttle up there, all flashing lights and rows of switches. Too complex for me! (Not to mention too expensive!). Cheers, Carl From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Nov 27 13:39:20 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:39:20 +0100 Subject: Off: Neat trick I just learned Message-ID: > >I just learnt a neat trick! > >HW fans: point your browsers at my home page, then select the >hawkwind link (don't go straight to my HW pages, or you'll miss it) > >I think U'l like it (as tacky as it is) Yes - really nice one - but what about the COPYWRIGHT VIOLATION? (it didn't work for me with Netscape v1.0 or v1.1 - if nothing happens for you, check that you're using Netscape v1.22 (or higher) >Paul \\joe the URL we're talking about: >http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ From reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM Mon Nov 27 13:45:13 1995 From: reyes at NJ.SEMI.HARRIS.COM (Ross Reyes) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 13:45:13 EST Subject: BOC: Kerrang Biog Message-ID: >and huge parade-style drum sticks. Just a side note on this... Some big pieces of lumber indeed and they took a beating. At one BOC show I was lucky enough to grab onto one as Al was firing them out from the stage. He'd beat the crap out of them and they'd be all splintered and cracked in just a few minutes time. Surprising he didn't bust up his knuckels in the process. RR From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Mon Nov 27 12:20:24 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 18:20:24 +0100 Subject: HW: Exceptional tracks Message-ID: Hi folks, here is a short list of special HAWKWIND gigs with exceptional tracks. DATE track(s) ======================================================================= 06.03.76 making of midgard 10.08.74 we need you, ode to a time flower 27.05.73 wage war, in the egg, gaga 14.10.71 beast of chaos 19.04.71 we do it 26.07.71 shores of paradise 24.02.73 angel on his way from slime 22.08.75 ode to a crystal set 23.12.77 over the top 12.07.80 nati 18.12.81 time ship, joker of the universe, power armour 13.03.84 note from a cold planet 05.05.86 all along the watchtower 15.12.88 hands of space, astronauts 05.03.89 coleridge on the enterprise 07.12.89 rambo in space ......to be continued.......... Bernhard ======================================================= BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Nov 28 17:05:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:05:00 PST Subject: Random Thoughts without coffee Message-ID: Hope everyone enjoyed their thanksgiving holiday. Welcome Rich - Rich has made it. Welcome aboard and good to see your keys. Don't play lurker Rich, know you have a lot to say. Dr. Bob - Covert action. Just what the Dr. Ordered. How did you know what I was planning? Are you related to the amazing Kreskin? Glad you caught on so fast. BTW how goes the name that band thing, huh? ROBO - Interesting list of top five guitarist. Puzzling that you think Van Halen is better technically than Buck. I can only base mine on how they sound to me and sound wise I don't think I could mention his name with Buck. Hey I wouldn't know a c from a d minor but I do know what I like. Buck will always be up there along with Hoey. VH makes my top 20 but not the first five. Torgo - Dr. Music, hope you had a good holiday. Was right too, my little white phione book has been at the cleaners. Will drop you an MCI line shortly. Oh the Japanese import, you didn't even have to say it. Once secured in the old boom box it goes and a tape will be dubbing for sure. T-7 rocks the clock. You should see (hear) the BOC/ T/ 2 fers I just put together, it would make you proud. I haven't gotten any error messages from the mysterious person with the ultra long address. Al & Deb - I've cultivated a new connection on the club scene. He wanted to know if you guys had some music he could sample to see if their interested. Will provide greater details later. To Duane in Cleveland - Cyberbarron lists these shows and nothing more : 11/30 - Sunrise Fla. (Mr. Laffs) 12/1 - Orlando (the Embassy) 12/2 - Melbourne (the Zoo) 12/3 - St. Petersburg (State Theater) 12/5 - Orange Park (Shades) No european tour dates are posted. The above information was registered around 11/20. Hope that helps. Does anyone know eaxactly how many BOC songs have a sax in it? There seemed to be more than I ever thought. Maybe Eyes should learn the sax , methinks he would look real cool with goatee, shades, black leather and sax in hand. Hell Eyes always looks cool anyway. Skip - did some more thinking and exploring on the cover tape thing, got a couple of more ideas to bounce off of you. A(I've been dreaming again, wait until you see it)B From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 27 14:27:44 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:27:44 -0500 Subject: BOC: Kerrang Biog Message-ID: Torgo- You can think what you want to think, but the reality of Imaginos is that it was Albert's solo album, begun in 1982. He invited Allen and Joe to appear on specific tracks-- as he did practically everyone else who appeared (not always credited properly, either), The "presences" of Donald and Eric were dubbed in (following Albert's guide vocals) more than a decade later, as were a couple of other guitar players, who like Donald's occasional leads, were all added long after the fact. If it sounds more like a full BOC album to you, it's only because it's the last effort with the familiar arrangement style (as well as the Pearlman lyrics) that made for the full deal. Now ask some of the few hardy types still awake after shredding this and other ancient threads to filaments for the umpteenth time to tell you the sad tale of Jonathan Padgett...Meanwhile, howzabout the new full Beatles' single, huh? --DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Mon Nov 27 14:28:05 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:28:05 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons Free Xmas Party at Mamakin Dec 22 Message-ID: FYI: Really keeping in the holiday spirit, The Brain Surgeons headlining gig at Mamakin in Boston Mass, Dec 22 will be free. That's right, a party. No door charge. Gifts for all list members-- including a concert length set! No opening act. See ya all at 11. Plenty of time to make your travel plans. But let's pray for no snow. From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Nov 28 18:05:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 15:05:00 PST Subject: Imaginos on Stage Message-ID: Al a thought occurred to me over the weekend while listening to Imaginos; this would make an awesome stage production. Have you ever considered doing such a thing? I imagine it could be very expensive, not to mention difficult, but if you had the fincancial backing would or could you make Imaginos into a stage production. What would it take in you opinion to do this? A(?)B From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Nov 27 15:18:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:18:00 EST Subject: BS Party Message-ID: A Brain Surgeons pahtay in Boston?!? Wicked pissah!! I'll bring the trepanation gear. This will beat body piercing all to hell. By 11 I can have 1/2 the place punched through. Rudy (Next to be banned in Boston) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Nov 27 15:48:22 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:48:22 EST Subject: BOC:Kerrang Biog (At last) Message-ID: > > Sadly, he's [Eric B.] been playing junk > > guitars the last few times I saw him, but that hasn't been in the > > last 3 years. Allen has usually played Les Pauls. > > I'm pretty sure I've most recently seen both Allen and Eric with > ESP guitars. I've never played one myself, but surely they can't be > totally crap? > Now what is frightening is Buck's amp etc. ... it's like the > bleeding space shuttle up there, all flashing lights and rows of > switches. Too complex for me! (Not to mention too expensive!). > > Cheers, > Carl Carl, As I said, I haven't seen the BOC in a few years. ESP's are indeed good guitars, though I'm a snob for domestic gear myself. So, this means I haven't seen Buck's amp set-up either. In the early days, he used Marshalls, along with EB, who also used Hi-Watts for awhile. Later, Buck used my personal fave, Mesa Boogie for quite a long time. Honestly, I can't remember what he used the last time I saw BOC, but I've a feeling it was still Mesa. Come to think of it, I think he was using ENGLs which are very high tech (and expensive). theo From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Nov 28 06:03:03 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 11:03:03 +0000 Subject: BOC: Kerrang Biog In-Reply-To: <951127142744_117598471@mail04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Nov 1995 DFrost8547 at AOL.COM wrote: > Torgo- > You can think what you want to think, but the reality of Imaginos is that it > was Albert's solo album, begun in 1982. [....rest deleted for brevity...] Whilst agreeing in essence with Deborah, there's still quite a strong BOC feel to the album. Hardly surprising as some of the material goes back way beyond 1982, and some of it appeared in different versions on Secret Treaties (I believe Gil Blanco County, not finally released on Imaginos, was on the Stalk Forrest Group album?). Together with the voices of Buck and Eric, and with even Robbie Krieger's guitar solo in the style of Buck, it's hard not to think "BOC" when one hears the album. However, clearly Albert was the prime mover behind this project and from what I recall of the previous discussions it was largely Sandy and the record company that were responsible for Eric & Buck and others being added. I do think that the vocal contributions made by Eric and Buck were quite substantial, ie. in terms of quality, with Del Rio's song and Magna of Illusion their respective high points. However, I'd like to add that it's a crying shame that the two tracks on which Albert's original vocals were superb, "Gil Blanco County" and "The Girl that Love Made Blind", are unreleased. The latter in particular is a beautiful song. In most respects I think the final version of Imaginos worked out pretty well; the only real quibble I have is Jon Rogers' vocal on Imaginos and the fact that the guitar orchestra on that track drowns out some beautiful sax playing. Dave Hardman From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Nov 28 07:09:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 07:09:00 EST Subject: HW: Live Oddities Message-ID: The Goodwin book mentions a live video, _Night of the Hawks_ (26/11/84 at Gaumont Theater, Ipswich). On this video is a song "Martian Disco Stomp," right after "Uncle Sams on Mars". Since men may hail from Mars, I'm intrigued by things from the home world. I haven't gotten this video yet, so I don't know anything about this song. Is it a jam from the previous song, a mislabeled song, or an oddity? Also, the "stomp" can be taken at least 2 ways - a dance style or a bashing of disco. Can you shed some light on this, Bernhard or FoFP? Rudy From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Nov 28 07:21:55 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:21:55 +0100 Subject: HW: Live Oddities Message-ID: >The Goodwin book mentions a live video, _Night of the Hawks_ (26/11/84 at >Gaumont Theater, Ipswich). On this video is a song "Martian Disco Stomp," >right after "Uncle Sams on Mars". Since men may hail from Mars, I'm >intrigued by things from the home world. I haven't gotten this video yet, >so I don't know anything about this song. Is it a jam from the previous >song, a mislabeled song, or an oddity? Also, the "stomp" can be taken at >least 2 ways - a dance style or a bashing of disco. I wouldn't buy this video especially for this tune. It was a long time ago I watched my "Night of the Hawks", but 'jam from the previous song' is - as far as I recall - pretty close. >Can you shed some light on this, Bernhard or FoFP? > >Rudy \\joe From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Tue Nov 28 07:14:14 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 07:14:14 -0500 Subject: Mike Watt Live / X-mas Party Message-ID: Just a cuple of responses in the A(random lists)B type way: 1. The "e-mail friendly" version of the directory is about finished, so unless I hear from anyone within the nexr 24 hrs I will publish and be damned. Then anyone who wants to contest or add anything can be free to privately e-mail me (copying in AB) and I will add stuff. I will be open to any suggestions about it. It's nothing spectacular (this is only e-mail after all) and I hope people will not be too dissappointed. 2. Mike Watt: (who ought to subscribe to boc-l the ammount of space he gets), is going to be sitting in with Perry Farrell's Porno for Pyros on their up and coming tour (as he did for them at Lollapallooza). This info courtesy of Consumable on line e-mail magazine, at gajarsky at pilot.njin.net for subscriptions / info. 3. X-mas on 22nd in Boston: You lucky buggers who can get there, make sure you enjoy it. I'm sure I speak for all BS fans on this list who are green with envy. Not only seeing them, but a full lenghth set AND FREE. Al- any chance of this becoming a live CD? even if it's just a 4 tracker available a la Career of Christmas Speaking of which: 4. Has anyone received their Career of Christmas yet? Have they been mailed out yet? 5. Are there any more BS gigs lined up, esp UK! .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Tue Nov 28 07:51:16 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 12:51:16 GMT Subject: HW: Live Oddities In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Tue, 28 Nov 1995 07:09:00 EST Message-ID: I think it's basically The Iron Dream. Dave. From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 28 08:33:08 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:33:08 GMT Subject: HW: Live Oddities In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Tue, 28 Nov 1995 07:09:00 EST Message-ID: > The Goodwin book mentions a live video, _Night of the Hawks_ (26/11/84 at > Gaumont Theater, Ipswich). On this video is a song "Martian Disco Stomp," > right after "Uncle Sams on Mars". Since men may hail from Mars, I'm > intrigued by things from the home world. I haven't gotten this video yet, > so I don't know anything about this song. Is it a jam from the previous > song, a mislabeled song, or an oddity? Also, the "stomp" can be taken at > least 2 ways - a dance style or a bashing of disco. > IMO this is Hawkwind at their worst - certainly on audio tape it is (in honesty I don't actually remember what the video looks like) but the words are basically Nik (I think) chanting "You put it in at the front - you sh**t it out at the rear". I should point out that the ** means I can't decide whether it's shoot or shit. I don't suppose it matters overmuch. cynically jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 28 08:49:17 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:49:17 +0000 Subject: Imaginos on Stage In-Reply-To: <30BA3733@houmg001.shl.com> from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Nov 28, 95 03:05:00 pm Message-ID: > Al a thought occurred to me over the weekend while listening to Imaginos; > this would make an awesome stage production. Good heavans! Are we talking "Imaginos: the Rock Opera" or what are we talking about? I think such a thing would have to produced in a spectacularly flashy manner, since the punters won't have a _clue_ whats going on (heck, the dedicated Imaginos scholars of the list scarcely do!) and are going to have to rely on a continual assualt on the senses of wickedly cool audio-visual stimuli. Which would be pretty neat, if largely impractical :} Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 28 08:54:31 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:54:31 +0000 Subject: Brain Surgeons Free Xmas Party at Mamakin Dec 22 In-Reply-To: <951127142804_117598737@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Nov 27, 95 02:28:05 pm Message-ID: > FYI: Really keeping in the holiday spirit, The Brain Surgeons headlining gig > at Mamakin in Boston Mass, Dec 22 will be free. That's right, a party. No > door charge. Gifts for all list members-- including a concert length set! No > opening act. See ya all at 11. Plenty of time to make your travel plans. But > let's pray for no snow. Oh you lucky jammy bastards in Merrie New Englande! Even if I'm in the States for Yule it will probably be in Chapel Hill, NC with the aged relatives rather than rocking out in Boston! such is life! Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 28 09:02:42 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:02:42 -0500 Subject: BOC:Kerrang Biog (At last), Strats rewl! Message-ID: ROBO says: >if a person asked me what a Strat sounds like, I'd play SRV's "Little Wing" for 'em... Good choice, but my personal "Strat-song" is Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb" - when that final guitar solo kicks in . . . whoah - I drift off to heaven. As a tie-in, the solo in that song and the guitar break in the Brain Surgeons' "A Kiss is a Promise" have something in common for me. When they are played, I like to be lying on my back, either eyes closed or staring up at the sky, maybe I've had a few beers and am feelin' good, and one of these songs is crankin' . . . o.k., maybe you had to be there. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 28 09:17:11 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:17:11 EST Subject: Imaginos on Stage Message-ID: > > Al a thought occurred to me over the weekend while listening to Imaginos; > > this would make an awesome stage production. > > Good heavans! Are we talking "Imaginos: the Rock Opera" or what > are we talking about? I think such a thing would have to produced in a > spectacularly flashy manner, since the punters won't have a _clue_ whats > going on (heck, the dedicated Imaginos scholars of the list scarcely do!) > and are going to have to rely on a continual assualt on the senses of > wickedly cool audio-visual stimuli. > Which would be pretty neat, if largely impractical :} > > Cheers, > Carl I don't know if folks in places other than the northeast (let alone the UK) are bombarded by this kind of shit, but you can't turn on the TV without an ad for some horrible musical being staged in Toronto. The ubiquitous 'Phantom' can induce rage in yours truly at a moment's notice. "Buy Phantom by Phone!" I used to love Toronto, but if this trend continues, I think the next time I visit there, I'd like to be at the controls of a B-1. BTW, Carl, what's a 'punter?' The thought of BOC being on the same par with this awful drivel makes my blood run cold. Here I go on the old 'Rock doesn't need, and should never embrace, legitimization' thread again, but I can't express the view strongly enough. Save rock opera for the 'punters'and give us real rockers a good concert with plenty of excess and depravity, smoke, alcohol, etc... theo From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue Nov 28 09:24:56 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:24:56 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons Free Xmas Party at Mamakin Dec 22 In-Reply-To: <951127142804_117598737@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Nov 27, 95 02:28:05 pm Message-ID: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM writes: > > FYI: Really keeping in the holiday spirit, The Brain Surgeons headlining gig > at Mamakin in Boston Mass, Dec 22 will be free. That's right, a party. No > door charge. Gifts for all list members-- including a concert length set! No > opening act. See ya all at 11. Plenty of time to make your travel plans. But > let's pray for no snow. Argh! Oh, well, maybe I'll get lucky and I won't be able to get a flight home for Xmas. :-) Steve who always prays for no snow From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Tue Nov 28 09:25:33 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:25:33 -0500 Subject: Imaginos on Stage Message-ID: A punter is a paying customer or client From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 28 09:33:40 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:33:40 -0500 Subject: Mike Watt Live Album? Message-ID: ROBO writes concerning "Addicted to Noise": >and a article search that when you can find articles on Blue Oyster Cult...they have a pretty good write up on Workshop of the Telescopes w/ sound bytes on there.. Huh? Where is this? I frequent this web site, but have never seen this stuff -- I've seen a link to the Sony BOC stuff, but not an article search. Can you post the URLs for this? John From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Nov 28 09:29:54 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:29:54 +0000 Subject: BOC:Kerrang Biog (At last), Strats rewl! In-Reply-To: <199511281402.JAA08331@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: To hear the strat at it's purest, ie. without special pickups, maximum amplification/ distortion etc, why not listen to the entire Shadows back catologue? (OK, probably totally unheard of in the US, though check out the Shadows-esque guitar on Chris Isaak). If not the entire back catalogue, then I guess "Apache" is the Shads' classic track. Dave From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 28 09:11:43 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:11:43 +0000 Subject: OFF: Bevis Frond rules! Message-ID: Saw Bevis Frond at the Boat Race in Cambridge last night. It was incredibly cool! (And yes, Scott, Nick didn't mind at all my taping the show--so it's all there except for about 12 secs of guitar solo where the first tape side ended, and a bit of dialogue before the encore; oh, and a bit of minor drop-out right at the end where I must have joggled the recorder or spilled cider on it or something). The support act was some band called Flyte Reaction, who I half think I'd heard of before. They were actually pretty cool as well, though I didn't tape them. The Frond was mostly as per the recent album: Nick, of course, and ex-HW Adrian Shaw on bass and Andy Ward on drums. Andy Ward appeared to be mildly insane :) I only knew a few of the actual Bevis songs, since previosuly I've only had 3 Bevis CDs, 2 of which are in the States. I knew the material off of the new album, _Superseeder_: a bit of the intro to "House of Mountains", "Dolly Bug", "Stoned Train Driver", and "Superseded". He also played "Wild Jack Hammer" off _New River Head_. As for the rest, I've no effing clue, but they were all cool. Something over a 100 minutes, all told. The last song of the set and the encore were both tremendously long, of course, and during the last song Nick and Adrian wandered down into the audience and jammed hugely. There was much dancing amongst the crowd throughout the set, though it smelled to me like the kitchen staff had set fire to the oregano by acident or something .... Very cool, all in all, and the tape didn't come out to bad. I was standing on the side where Shaw was playing bass, so the normally lousy bass response I my recorder was off-set a bit. Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 28 08:56:12 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:56:12 +0000 Subject: BOC: Kerrang Biog In-Reply-To: <951127142744_117598471@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Nov 27, 95 02:27:44 pm Message-ID: > You can think what you want to think, but the reality of Imaginos is that it > was Albert's solo album, begun in 1982. He invited Allen and Joe to appear on > specific tracks-- as he did practically everyone else who appeared (not > always credited properly, either), The "presences" of Donald and Eric were > dubbed in (following Albert's guide vocals) more than a decade later, Surely not more than a decade later, if Albert fired it up in '82 and it was released in '88? (Although, mind you, the 80s did seem inordinately long! ;) Cheers, Carl From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Nov 28 09:43:31 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:43:31 -0500 Subject: Imaginos on Stage Message-ID: > Good heavans! Are we talking "Imaginos: the Rock Opera" or what >are we talking about? I think such a thing would have to produced in a >spectacularly flashy manner, since the punters won't have a _clue_ whats >going on (heck, the dedicated Imaginos scholars of the list scarcely do!) >and are going to have to rely on a continual assualt on the senses of >wickedly cool audio-visual stimuli. > Which would be pretty neat, if largely impractical :} Which would logically (for cost reasons) lead to the supposed Pearlman cd-rom project, which I haven't heard anything concrete about in ages... ----------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 28 09:55:23 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:55:23 -0500 Subject: BOC: Kerrang Biog Message-ID: Deb writes: >...Meanwhile, howzabout the new full Beatles' single, huh? I've found myself somewhat caught up in the current Beatle's craze -- more from a historical perspective I guess as I'm intrigued by their influence on the music I grew up on (which was more mid to late 70's stuff and early to mid 80's) -- also, as a bassplayer (wannabe), I'm finding it very interesting how much of an influence Paul McCartney had on rock bassplaying (from soft stuff all the to heavy metal). The new single was rather interesting - I don't know that I think it is a great song, but it was almost spooky how much it sounded like the Beatles of the mid to late 60's. And the whole idea of bringing back old audio and video from many years gone by and being able with current technology to work it into new material that works for the current generation is something I find fascinating and very cool. John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 28 09:57:20 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:57:20 EST Subject: BOC:Kerrang Biog (At last), Strats rewl! Message-ID: > To hear the strat at it's purest, ie. without special pickups, maximum > amplification/ distortion etc, why not listen to the entire Shadows back > catologue? (OK, probably totally unheard of in the US, though check out the > Shadows-esque guitar on Chris Isaak). If not the entire back catalogue, > then I guess "Apache" is the Shads' classic track. > > Dave Bollocks! Anyone who's ever read an interview in an American Gtr magazine featuring a UK gtrst has heard of Hank Marvin and the Shadows, 'cause every Brit gtrst, at least in the 60s-80s has cited them as an influence. The American equivalent of the Shadows would be, I guess, the Ventures. I've never actually heard the Shadows, but I've heard a lot about them. Are they still around? Generally, I think a Strat is at its best when played thru a cranked amp, but that's where I come from. BTW, IMHO (Dr. Bob out there?) one need go no further than Robin Trower (anything he's done) to get the essential Strat sound, though few can get that sound. Before the flaming begins, I know Robin played a SG-shaped Les Paul in Procol Harum, so we can make that 'anything after PH.' theo From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 29 13:05:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:05:00 PST Subject: Imaginos on Stage _ Why Not Message-ID: Ok gentleman I get your point, you wouldn't be interested in seeing this. But what kind of concert would Imaginos make if say the Brain Surgeons just sat on a stage and played. Doubtless it would be pretty good but would you get the same effect as when you shut your eyes and listen to it on your player? I think not. Maybe it dosen't have to be an opera, maybe its more like the Surgeons and some orchestra pieces and a large screen, and light show to fill out some visual effects. Use your imaginations this Album desreves more than a band simply playing the songs, Imaginos should be a production. Perhaps this is why it has never been presented fully (to my knowledge at least). I however don't doubt that if you invested perhaps a $1million and got all the peices together that Al could stage this and you would go and see it. I'd even wager that the whole experieince would blow you away. AB From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Nov 28 10:08:14 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:08:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Live Oddities Message-ID: >IMO this is Hawkwind at their worst - certainly on audio tape it is >(in honesty I don't actually remember what the video looks like) but >the words are basically Nik (I think) chanting "You put it in at the >front - you sh**t it out at the rear". But taken in the context of the previous song "Uncle Sams on Mars" (where Nik does strange things with the American flag), I always thought it was a critique of US consumer-oriented values Martyn PS I would recommend Night of the Hawks Vid to anyone who is not an avid Nik-hater (you know who you are :-), and even then there is a killer version of Psi Power with Dave on vocals From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Tue Nov 28 10:34:30 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (R.Stuckey) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 15:34:30 GMT Subject: HW: Video quezzies Message-ID: > > Martyn > PS I would recommend Night of the Hawks Vid to anyone who is not an > avid Nik-hater (you know who you are :-), and even then there is > a killer version of Psi Power with Dave on vocals > That's a point actually, is there any good videos out that haven't got Nik T making a prat of himself? The Stonehenge vid would have been marvellous apart from his singing and I've seen another (can't remember where it's from) where he gets several women up on stage to dance (not very well). Can anyone tell me what the earliest available video recording of Hawkwind live is? Would it be the 84 stuff, or is there something from an earlier date? I'd love to see one of the early festival appearances. BTW...I am one of the sinners who doesn't think that the Chronicles stuff was much cop, so that rules that video out for me. bye - Rob (who's tastes seem to differ from the majority on the list quite a lot of the time) From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Nov 28 10:26:38 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 15:26:38 +0000 Subject: BOC: Kerrang Biog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Nov 1995, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > You can think what you want to think, but the reality of Imaginos is that it > > was Albert's solo album, begun in 1982. He invited Allen and Joe to appear on > > specific tracks-- as he did practically everyone else who appeared (not > > always credited properly, either), The "presences" of Donald and Eric were > > dubbed in (following Albert's guide vocals) more than a decade later, > > Surely not more than a decade later, if Albert fired it up in '82 > and it was released in '88? (Although, mind you, the 80s did seem > inordinately long! ;) > Deborah is clearly living within Random Access History! D From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Tue Nov 28 10:30:09 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 15:30:09 +0000 Subject: Strats In-Reply-To: <52771C3385F@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Nov 28, 95 09:57:20 am Message-ID: > Generally, I think a Strat is at its best when played thru a cranked > amp, but that's where I come from. BTW, IMHO (Dr. Bob out there?) > one need go no further than Robin Trower (anything he's done) to get > the essential Strat sound, though few can get that sound. Before the > flaming begins, I know Robin played a SG-shaped Les Paul in Procol > Harum, so we can make that 'anything after PH.' > theo Hmm... and of course there is the man single handedly responsible for destroying the greatest number of strats. A certain Mr. Blackmore. To my mind, he produces the essential Strat sound. Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 28 08:57:51 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:57:51 +0000 Subject: BOC:Kerrang Biog (At last) In-Reply-To: <951127124505_35393233@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "Rob Maerz" at Nov 27, 95 12:45:07 pm Message-ID: > I've only seen the guys play these 3 guitars, and once Allen broke out the > acoustic...if Buck breaks a string, do we have to wait for a new one to be > put on his Steinberger or does he pick up another guitar? I'm not sure but I half recall he _has_ a spare Steinberger. I was at some gig a few years back where he did break a string (as you do) and I'm pretty sure a roadie brought out a spare Steinberger, though I could have hallucinated that. Cheers, Carl From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Nov 28 10:39:53 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:39:53 -0500 Subject: Mike Watt Live Album? Message-ID: >ROBO writes concerning "Addicted to Noise": > >Huh? Where is this? I frequent this web site, but have never seen >this stuff -- I've seen a link to the Sony BOC stuff, but not an >article search. Can you post the URLs for this? > http://www.addict.com/ATN/issues/1.11/contents.html=20 will get you to a quick table of contents. The search engine is found by selecting "ATN Search". The B=D6C stuff is not on the current (1.11) issue, it's on the "Editorial Rant" of issue 1.10. Go to the back issues section, select "Up Front" and then "Editorial rant - Secrets of the Blue =D6yster Cult". Written up like= a true B=D6C fan, a good piece of writing. It draws upon stuff in Levy's= liner notes for WotT, but in all is a much better read... I was amused to read that B=D6C was a favorite of Black Flag in the mid 80's. Richard Meltzer= also writes a coloumn on here, typically weird material. =20 Alternately, go to the Music article search index (I think it's in and enter Oyster. Don't use the "=D6", that always messes up search engines. =20 --amtgard sig--------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater =20 Kingdom of the Burning Lands From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 28 09:25:44 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:25:44 +0000 Subject: Imaginos on Stage In-Reply-To: <526C71B4310@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Nov 28, 95 09:17:11 am Message-ID: > BTW, Carl, what's a 'punter?' Simply them what comes to the gig/show/shindig/etc. as I understand it. A more complex technical definition must be sought elsewhere, I fear .... Cheers, Carl From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Nov 28 10:41:45 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:41:45 -0500 Subject: BOC: Kerrang Biog Message-ID: >> You can think what you want to think, but the reality of Imaginos is that it >> was Albert's solo album, begun in 1982. He invited Allen and Joe to appear on >> specific tracks-- as he did practically everyone else who appeared (not >> always credited properly, either), The "presences" of Donald and Eric were >> dubbed in (following Albert's guide vocals) more than a decade later, > > Surely not more than a decade later, if Albert fired it up in '82 >and it was released in '88? (Although, mind you, the 80s did seem >inordinately long! ;) Maybe a decade of "man-hours"? --amtgard sig--------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 28 10:56:41 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:56:41 -0500 Subject: BS Party Message-ID: Rudy writes: A Brain Surgeons pahtay in Boston?!? Wicked pissah!! I'll bring the trepanation gear. This will beat body piercing all to hell. By 11 I can have 1/2 the place punched through. Yeah Rudy, it's Fuckin' wicked pissah! This ought to be one helluva pahty in Bahston! (o.k., I'm getting silly . . .) Hope there are some folks on the list who can make it to the show (I assume Rudy's comin'). I'll be hanging at the bar sippin' a few cold ones before the show, probably acting like an over-the-hill headbanger in front of the stage during the show, and hopefully chatting with folks in the band after the show. I'll either be wearing my BOC-L t-shirt or a black Brain Surgeons' t-shirt with the *Eponymous* logo in white. Interestingly, I had called Mamakin last week to inquire about the show on the 22nd (figuring the Brain Surgeons were opening for someone), and they told me they didn't know who was playing on that date. Guess things have changed since then. Hope someone might be tapin' the show (but if the Brain Surgeons DO make a live release out of this, I'll definitely buy at least one copy). Better yet, it would be cool if someone could videotape it and make it available for BOC-L folks who can't attend. Don't know about the legalities and the band's attitude toward such things, so don't anyone take this as an endorsement to do so! Smoke it, crave it, it'll kill you yet, John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 28 10:59:23 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:59:23 EST Subject: Strats Message-ID: > > Hmm... and of course there is the man single handedly responsible for > destroying the greatest number of strats. A certain Mr. Blackmore. > To my mind, he produces the essential Strat sound. > > Jason > -- Jason, To say nothing of destroying the greatest number of tympanic membranes! I saw Deep Purple once, front row, right in front of Ritchie, and faced the murderous blast of his 200 watt Marshall Major. My ears rung for a week after. This would have been right after the 'Burn' album came out. Amazing show. Ritchie 'danced' on his strat, the whole nine yards. theo From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 29 14:01:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:01:00 PST Subject: Simple thoughts and caffine Message-ID: Mmmm, the coffee ain't too bad this morning. Directory -oh, oh we got a couple of late entires to add to the list. I got them and will add them to my files, hopefully this dosen't impact Charlie too much as he prepares the version to appear on the list. Hey Rich Cummings you need to throw yours into the mix too, bud. Name: Age: Primary Band (BOC/HW) and E-mail address. Yet again, please understand that we are not asking you to pick a favorite, just using this information to see which band attracted you to the service. Many fans of one band have become fans of the other based on the threads opinions and recommendations of this list. To Torgo - What possessed me to dial up this morning using MCI, duh? You are out playing working man. Not to worry, heading east today and if its still there will have the japanese suprise heading your way by the weekend. Can't wait. I know you like the Linus and Lucy but what about the rest of Gary's stuff? Dr. Bob - You will have to educate me on the stock cars as well as the virtual picture thing. My little guys would definitely enjoy a race or two especially from the infield or pits. Can you arrange it? Guitars - seems that we have some bass and geetar players on the line. Now all we need is some keys, vocals and drums and we can start a BOC/BS/HW cover band par excellence. So far John S. can do the Joe Bouchard part, I vote for Robo as Eyes (he's cool) Theo for Buck, Craig Shipley perhaps doing Alan and hmmmm, maybe Al as Al. Help me out folks. BOC Cover tape - would folks be willing to send a a tape of BOC cover tunes for this project. The idea being take your BOC covers put them on a good quality tape. When the cover project is complete will use the tape you submitted to record the entire project and return to you. It will only cost you postage. Folks willing to do that. Skip will be in touch shortly. My Final say on Imaginos on Stage - If Al were of a mind to do it, I bet we would all go and see it. AB From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 28 11:35:00 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 11:35:00 EST Subject: Simple thoughts and caffine Message-ID: > > My Final say on Imaginos on Stage - If Al were of a mind to do it, I bet we > would all go and see it. > > AB AB, In a New York minute, all the way from New York City! From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Nov 28 11:37:27 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 11:37:27 -0500 Subject: HW: Video quezzies Message-ID: > That's a point actually, is there any good videos out that > haven't got Nik T making a prat of himself? The Stonehenge vid > would have been marvellous apart from his singing and I've seen > another (can't remember where it's from) where he gets several > women up on stage to dance (not very well). I like the Live Legends video, although this is relatively recent. Also I may be biased as I am in love with Bridget Wishart ;-) Martyn From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Nov 28 11:40:25 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:40:25 +0000 Subject: BOC:Kerrang Biog (At last), Strats rewl! In-Reply-To: <52771C3385F@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Nov 1995, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > > To hear the strat at it's purest, ie. without special pickups, maximum > > amplification/ distortion etc, why not listen to the entire Shadows back > > catologue? (OK, probably totally unheard of in the US, though check out the > > Shadows-esque guitar on Chris Isaak). If not the entire back catalogue, > > then I guess "Apache" is the Shads' classic track. > > > > Dave > > Bollocks! Anyone who's ever read an interview in an American Gtr > magazine featuring a UK gtrst has heard of Hank Marvin and the > And the aforementioned expletive to you, sir, as my qualified comments were not merely addressed to readers of guitar-oriented publications! But seriously, I gather the Shads still play very occasionally, but Hank Marvin is still doing the rounds as a solo act. Actually, were the Shads influenced by Duanne Eddie (sp) i wonder, and what instrument did he play? Dave From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Nov 28 11:44:46 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:44:46 +0000 Subject: Strats In-Reply-To: <5287ABA4D12@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Nov 1995, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > > > > Hmm... and of course there is the man single handedly responsible for > > destroying the greatest number of strats. A certain Mr. Blackmore. > > To my mind, he produces the essential Strat sound. > > > > Jason Did RB actually destroy real genuine Strats? Never seem him live, but I saw one video where (IMO) the maker to whom the guitar was sent to meet was probably not Mr Fender. D From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Nov 28 11:45:01 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 17:45:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Video quezzies Message-ID: > Can anyone tell me what the earliest available video recording > of Hawkwind live is? Would it be the 84 stuff, or is there > something from an earlier date? I'd love to see one of the > early festival appearances. > >bye - Rob (who's tastes seem to differ from the majority on the list > quite a lot of the time) I can tell you one recording that's NOT available: Autumn '73 Hawkwind did a festival appearance in Gothenburg, Sweden. Swedish television filmed the whole set - 6 to 8 bands I think - and broadcasted parts of it in July '74. Hawkwind was well cut down - only a 2 mins passage of Master of the Universe was there - but it was HEAVY (says those who has seen it) Unfortunally Swedish Television erased all tapes from this event to spare shelves. Pity. No, noone had invented the VCR at the time - no copies exists :0( \\joe From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Nov 28 11:47:04 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 11:47:04 -0500 Subject: Strats Message-ID: >membranes! I saw Deep Purple once, front row, right in front of >Ritchie, and faced the murderous blast of his 200 watt Marshall >Major. My ears rung for a week after. This would have been right >after the 'Burn' album came out. Amazing show. Ritchie 'danced' on >his strat, the whole nine yards. >theo Yeah. I saw them on this tour (1973, I think) at Wolverhampton Civic. I was half way down the hall and had my ears ring for 3 days after. In the car park afterwards, we had to shout at each other to make ourselves heard. DP were in the Guinness book of records as the loudest band in the world. It would amaze me if RB wasn't completely deaf by now Cheers Martyn From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 28 11:49:48 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 11:49:48 -0500 Subject: BOC: Kerrang Biog Message-ID: Dave writes: > However, I'd like to add that it's a crying shame that the two tracks on which Albert's original vocals were superb, "Gil Blanco County" and "The Girl that Love Made Blind", are unreleased. The latter in particular is a beautiful song. Sounds like some lucky bastard visited Bolle's museum . . . ;-) John From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Tue Nov 28 11:51:42 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:51:42 +0000 Subject: Strats In-Reply-To: <5287ABA4D12@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Nov 28, 95 10:59:23 am Message-ID: > Jason, > To say nothing of destroying the greatest number of tympanic > membranes! I saw Deep Purple once, front row, right in front of > Ritchie, and faced the murderous blast of his 200 watt Marshall > Major. My ears rung for a week after. This would have been right > after the 'Burn' album came out. Amazing show. Ritchie 'danced' on > his strat, the whole nine yards. > theo All wonderful stuff. You lucky lucky ... I just have to put up the CalJam video (the one where he blows up his amps - and almost knocks himself over. Stunningly funny and excessive!) "... all I hear... Is BURN!" Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 28 11:54:08 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 11:54:08 -0500 Subject: BOC: Kerrang Biog Message-ID: Carl asks on Imaginos: > Surely not more than a decade later, if Albert fired it up in '82 and it was released in '88? (Although, mind you, the 80s did seem inordinately long! ;) Well, Albert worked versions of many of the Imaginos tracks during the 70's as well. The Morning Final articles on both the Cultosaurus and Spectres sessions indicated that Albert had worked up versions of several of the songs for those sessions (or, I think possibly prior to the Cultosaurus sessions). John From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Nov 28 12:37:24 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 17:37:24 +0000 Subject: Imaginos (the movie) In-Reply-To: <30BB4221@houmg001.shl.com> Message-ID: Imaginos should be a movie, with the album tracks moving between background and foreground music. Al recorded various bits of incidental music also. Not sure who would have the vision to direct such a venture...Stephen King was the obvious first thought, but his material seems to be almost exclusively set in small town America. Or Werner Herzog, with Klaus Kiinsky resurrected from the dead to play Baron von Frankenstein. Actually, as the only person who seems to think that Kenneth Branaugh made a reasonable fist of Frankenstein, maybe he could do it. Or Francis Ford Coppola.... Starring (in no particular order) Oliver Reed or Tom Baker as Grandad (in Magna of Illusion) Alan Rickman or Basil Rathbone as Baron von Frankenstein Jeremy Irons as Dr John Dee (occult advisor to Elizabeth) Bradd Pitt or Erich Strom as the young Imaginos Buck Dharma (plus 'tash) as Del Rio! Errol Flynn and Douglas Fairbanks as swashbucklers (there must be some!) Gary Oldman as a very nasty person, or as another incarnation of Imaginos if he can do the accent OK others...? Dave (daydreaming) From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Nov 28 12:57:08 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 12:57:08 -0500 Subject: Imaginos on Stage Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-28 08:55:48 EST, you write: >> Al a thought occurred to me over the weekend while listening to Imaginos; >> this would make an awesome stage production. > > Good heavans! Are we talking "Imaginos: the Rock Opera" or what >are we talking about? I think Imaginos would make an awesome motion picture, if done the right way... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Nov 28 12:57:18 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 12:57:18 -0500 Subject: BOC:Kerrang Biog (At last), Strats rewl! Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-28 09:14:30 EST, you write: >Good choice, but my personal "Strat-song" is Pink Floyd's "Comfortably >Numb" - when that final guitar solo kicks in . . . whoah - I drift off >to heaven. > > yuck! sorry, but back in me hooka-tokin' days that song was overplayed, and as a result I usually find meself flippin' thru the stations when I hear anything from the Wall come on...not to say that the example was bad, though... now, Dark Side of the Moon is one heluva album! listen to the geetar on Breathe... the good ol' days - go out partyin', come home, stick on the headphones, close the eyes and kick back to Dark Side of the Moon only to go into cardiac arrest when the intro to Time came on... : } other tunes that parallel Breathe in the hooka-headphone zone: Hendrix - Watchtower (the solo on there is awesome...it starts at your right ear, goes over your head and into your left ear), Purple Haze (you can really pick out the "purple haze" monotone towards the end of the song) Zep - No Quarter, Kashmir, In the Light BOC - the first album Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures The Doors - The End, When the Music's Over, Strange Days I'm probly forgettin' some, and it's no wonder why! ROBOholio von Frankendude From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Nov 28 12:57:23 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 12:57:23 -0500 Subject: Mike Watt Live Album? Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-28 09:40:50 EST, you write: >ROBO writes concerning "Addicted to Noise": > >>and a article search that when you can find >articles on Blue Oyster Cult...they have a pretty good write up on Workshop >of the Telescopes w/ sound bytes on there.. > > >Huh? Where is this? I frequent this web site, but have never seen >this stuff -- I've seen a link to the Sony BOC stuff, but not an >article search. Can you post the URLs for this? > >John I would if I knew the URL...when you goto ATN, go to the contents page and choose article search...it'll take ya to a search form...type in Blue Oyster Cult and it'll list a bunch of BOC articles.... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Nov 28 12:57:29 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 12:57:29 -0500 Subject: Imaginos on Stage Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-28 10:48:54 EST, you write: >> BTW, Carl, what's a 'punter?' > > a punter is an overpaid athlete that comes out about 5 times per American Football match and kicks the ball...typically, if he has to make the tackle on the subsequent kick return, it is a sign of poor special teams... see also: Tom Hutton (great punter - leads team in tackles), Philadelphia Eagles (poor special teams) ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Nov 28 12:57:31 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 12:57:31 -0500 Subject: Simple thoughts and caffine Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-28 11:13:21 EST, you write: > So far John S. can do the Joe Bouchard part, I >vote for Robo as Eyes (he's cool) Theo for Buck, Craig Shipley perhaps doing >Alan and hmmmm, maybe Al as Al. Help me out folks. > > cool...I'm up for it...been practicing the vocals alot lately, too... ROBO von StunGuitar... From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 28 13:00:50 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:00:50 EST Subject: Strats Message-ID: > Yeah. I saw them on this tour (1973, I think) at Wolverhampton > Civic. I was half way down the hall and had my ears ring for > 3 days after. In the car park afterwards, we had to shout at > each other to make ourselves heard. DP were in the Guinness > book of records as the loudest band in the world. It would > amaze me if RB wasn't completely deaf by now > > Cheers > > Martyn Martyn, Judging by some of the albums he's turned out, I bet there're a lot of critics who would agree with you! theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 28 13:07:55 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:07:55 EST Subject: BOC:Kerrang Biog (At last), Strats rewl! Message-ID: > And the aforementioned expletive to you, sir, as my qualified comments were > not merely addressed to readers of guitar-oriented publications! > But seriously, I gather the Shads still play very occasionally, but Hank > Marvin is still doing the rounds as a solo act. > > Actually, were the Shads influenced by Duanne Eddie (sp) i wonder, and > what instrument did he play? > > Dave Dave, Duane Eddy was indeed a gtr player, fronting the Rebel Rousers. He played a Guild signature model. One could argue that a parallel evolution was going on, with guys like Cliff Gallup, Eddy, Link Wray, the Shads, etc. all borrowing, largely, from Les Paul. These American dudes were going in the late 50s-early 60s. When were the Shads most active? Apologies if I gave offense. I thought that 'Bollocks' was something you Brits threw about with the frequency of 'Bloody,' 'Blimey' etc. Typical exercise in ethnocentrism! theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 28 13:10:41 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:10:41 EST Subject: Strats Message-ID: > Did RB actually destroy real genuine Strats? Never seem him live, but I > saw one video where (IMO) the maker to whom the guitar was sent to meet was > probably not Mr Fender. > > D Not sure about this, as RB is rumoured to be darn near as cheap as Pagey, a.k.a. Lead Wallet. But I think it's likely RB did trash a couple of real Strats in his day. Anyway, if they were 70s model Strats, then no great loss to the world of luthierie! theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 28 13:15:37 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 13:15:37 EST Subject: Imaginos (the movie) Message-ID: > direct such a venture...Stephen King was the obvious first thought, but > his material seems to be almost exclusively set in small town America. Or > Werner Herzog, with Klaus Kiinsky resurrected from the dead to play Baron > von Frankenstein. Actually, as the only person who seems to think that > Kenneth Branaugh made a reasonable fist of Frankenstein, maybe he could > do it. Or Francis Ford Coppola.... > Dave (daydreaming) How about Ken Russell, or Cronenberg or Tobe Hooper? Or Verhoeven? theo From eqshw.blauchno at EMAIL.STATE.UT.US Tue Nov 28 13:20:45 1995 From: eqshw.blauchno at EMAIL.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 11:20:45 -0700 Subject: A good day for Imaginos Message-ID: Today is a good day for Imaginos. The clouds are dark grey and low in the sky. It looks as though it could snow at any minute. The surrounding mountains are cold, rugged, dark purple and white. I'm currently listening to Imaginos at work (well, theoretically it's work). And I was wondering who all these vocalists are. I'm kind of a neophyte when it comes to discerning the various voices. Can someone please help me? I am the one you warned me of: Eric Les Invisibles: Eric?? In the presence of another world: Eric Is it Al singing "He has dominion over animals" near the end of the song. Del Rio's Song: Eric The Siege and Investiture...: ? Astronomy: Eric Magna Of Illusion: ? Blue Oyster Cult: ? Imaginos: ? The liner notes list Jon Rogers and Joey Cerisano as additional lead vocals on Imaginos and Siege and Investiture. Which is doing the lead for Imaginos? I know Buck is doing vocals but I never feel comfortable which songs(voice) are(is) his. Confused ~8^P Brad Brad Lauchnor blauchno at email.state.ut.us Environmental Engineer (801) 538-9403 Chemical Demilitarization Salt Lake City, Utah Utah Department of Environmental Quality From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 28 13:33:24 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 18:33:24 +0000 Subject: Imaginos on Stage _ Why Not In-Reply-To: <30BB4221@houmg001.shl.com> from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Nov 29, 95 10:05:00 am Message-ID: > Maybe it dosen't have to be an opera, maybe its more > like the Surgeons and some orchestra pieces and a large screen, and light > show to fill out some visual effects. Ah ha! "Live Chronicles of the Black Brain!" Just, please, no fire-eaters .... ;) > I however don't doubt that if you invested perhaps a > $1million and got all the peices together that Al could stage this and you > would go and see it. I'd even wager that the whole experieince would blow > you away. Oh, I'd go and see it in any case! :) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 28 13:43:34 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 18:43:34 +0000 Subject: BOC: Kerrang Biog In-Reply-To: <199511281455.JAA18599@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Nov 28, 95 09:55:23 am Message-ID: > also, as a bassplayer (wannabe), I'm > finding it very interesting how much of an influence Paul McCartney > had on rock bassplaying (from soft stuff all the to heavy metal). Well, Lemmy is definitely on record as a fan of McCartney bass playing! Cheers, Carl From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Nov 28 14:32:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:32:00 EST Subject: BOC??: Strats rewl! - with a twist Message-ID: >>> [Chomp] (That's what my ferrets do) other tunes that parallel Breathe in the hooka-headphone zone: Hendrix - Watchtower (the solo on there is awesome...it starts at your right ear, goes over your head and into your left ear), Purple Haze (you can really pick out the "purple haze" monotone towards the end of the song) Zep - No Quarter, Kashmir, In the Light BOC - the first album Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures The Doors - The End, When the Music's Over, Strange Days I'm probly forgettin' some, and it's no wonder why! ROBOholio von Frankendude<<<< That's a phenomena know as state specific memory, ROBO. I've read some interesting studies and been an unwitting subject. You wouldn't believe the memories that flooded back at the 1 HW concert I saw. My top 5 guitarists 1) Earl Scruggs 2) Roy Clark oops..wrong list 1) Jerry Garcia 2) Duane Allman 3) Jimmy Page 4) Jorma Khouconan (Hot Tuna, etc. - since my Swedish spell check is off) 5) Steve Vai Honorable mentions - George Thorogood, Dave Gillmore, Alex Van Halen. Notes- I'm a sucker for slide guitar. Slip out a bottleneck and do something reasonable and you'll be in my top 20. Eric Clapton took the wrong turn years ago and I relegated him to soft rock in the late 80s. Now the local soft rock stations have him as a staple. Jimi was winding down before he died too. Until I get WotT, I abstain on Buck D...just haven't heard him. (I duck) Rudy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Nov 28 14:33:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:33:00 EST Subject: HW: Video quezzies - gratutitous comment Message-ID: > That's a point actually, is there any good videos out that > haven't got Nik T making a prat of himself? The Stonehenge vid > would have been marvellous apart from his singing and I've seen > another (can't remember where it's from) where he gets several > women up on stage to dance (not very well). >>> I like the Live Legends video, although this is relatively recent. Also I may be biased as I am in love with Bridget Wishart ;-) Martyn <<<< 100% Nik free to boot. The kinky ballerina do anything for you, Martyn? Rudy From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Nov 28 14:44:17 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:44:17 -0500 Subject: Simple thoughts and caffine Message-ID: >> So far John S. can do the Joe Bouchard part, I >>vote for Robo as Eyes (he's cool) Theo for Buck, Craig Shipley perhaps doing >>Alan and hmmmm, maybe Al as Al. Help me out folks. > >cool...I'm up for it...been practicing the vocals alot lately, too... > I don't suppose there'd be much call for a flute... Oh, well. ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 29 17:45:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:45:00 PST Subject: Imaginos (the movie) Message-ID: > direct such a venture...Stephen King was the obvious first thought, but > his material seems to be almost exclusively set in small town America. Or > Werner Herzog, with Klaus Kiinsky resurrected from the dead to play Baron > von Frankenstein. Actually, as the only person who seems to think that > Kenneth Branaugh made a reasonable fist of Frankenstein, maybe he could > do it. Or Francis Ford Coppola.... > Dave (daydreaming) >How about Ken Russell, or Cronenberg or Tobe >Hooper? Or Verhoeven? >theo Naw they are all too obvious. Quentin Tarintino is tda man for the job. AB From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Nov 28 14:51:16 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:51:16 -0500 Subject: A good day for Imaginos Message-ID: Can someone please >help me? > >I am the one you warned me of: Eric >Les Invisibles: Eric?? >In the presence of another world: Eric > Is it Al singing "He has dominion over animals" near the > end of the song. >Del Rio's Song: Eric >The Siege and Investiture...: ? >Astronomy: Eric >Magna Of Illusion: ? >Blue Oyster Cult: ? >Imaginos: ? In one of the BOC homepages there is a note by Al to the tune of "which Bouchard sang what" on various albums. On Imaginos, it goes: >Imaginos: I sing "Blue Oyster Cult" and some of "Del Rio Song" and part of >"Astronomy." Joe is on most of the backgrounds. I'm on all of them. >Al He lists himself as doing the lead vocals on Blue Oyster Cult ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Nov 28 14:51:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:51:00 EST Subject: Mamakin BS Blowout Message-ID: John, we'll have to get together. We can be the burnouts that yell requests from Imaginos, sing the wrong lyrics and generally be part of somebody's worst concert ever. There was a post about some such guy at a HW concert that made me say, "that's what I want to be for someone, someday." It is the time for giving. (I hope to debut my Nethawks T there.) Are you in the Worcester area? Want to make a pit stop at the 1/2 way point? I'm in Framingham. I own stock in Boston Brewery, so every Sam Adams I hoist adds to my personal wealth. Rudy (the memories of a burnout are the deeds of a dude when he's blitzed) My apologies to PF. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Nov 28 15:14:04 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 15:14:04 -0500 Subject: Imaginos (the movie) Message-ID: >Naw they are all too obvious. Quentin Tarintino is tda man for the job. > >AB But then you'd have to write John Travolta, Harvey Keitel and a suitcase full of coke into the movie M From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 29 18:35:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:35:00 PST Subject: Imaginos (the movie) Message-ID: >Naw they are all too obvious. Quentin Tarintino is tda man for the job. > >AB > But then you'd have to write John Travolta, Harvey >Keitel and a suitcase full of coke into the movie >M Travolta might fit but Harvey, naw. Maybe we should be looking at Tim Burton instead. Off topic for Poodle hair band haters ignore, but for rock & rollers specifically John S. Torgo and Dr. Bob. Y&T Lives. Watch you mail box for a private e on the subject. AB From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Tue Nov 28 15:54:30 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:54:30 -0600 Subject: Rare Tracks In-Reply-To: <9511241611.aa13127@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Nov 1995, M Holmes wrote: > > I've abstracted out reare tracks from the tracks poll. These are tracks > > which have appeared at gigs, on tapes, or singles but which have never > > appeared on LP or CD. > > I guess it'd be good to find as clear as possible tape copies of these > and put a compilation tape together > > > > Posn Track Score Votes Author > > > > 1 Star Song 997 2 Wishart > > 11 New Jerusalem 813 8 Blake > > 14 The Blackening Rabbit 813 1 Brock? > > 41 The Joker Of The Universe 725 2 Moorcock > > 64 First Landing On Medusa 671 5 Brock > > 73 The Timeship Will Not Sail Again 643 2 Moorcock > > 76 Your Secret's Safe With Me 640 6 Wishart > > 78 Where Are They Now? 639 4 Brock > > 96 Time For Sale 597 2 Calvert? > > 113 Astronauts 564 1 Ashley > > 139 Trans Dimensional Man 509 5 Brock > > 142 Note From A Cold Planet 508 3 Moorcock > > 160 Waiting For Nati 476 5 Blake > > 163 Space Travellers 465 3 Bainbridge? > > 173 The Welcoming Hands Of Space 454 3 Ashley > > 191 They've Got Your Number 417 3 Langton > > 196 Make What You Can 410 4 Brock > > 201 Touchdown 400 3 Brock > > 210 Etchanatae 369 4 Brock? > > 216 Mark Of Cain 353 3 Langton > > 231 Ode To A Crystal Set 333 2 Calvert > > 247 Time Of 307 6 Brock? > > 288 My Armour's Killing Me 161 6 Moorcock > > 292 Raping Robots In The Street 137 6 Brock > > 307 Live And Let Live 13 2 Brock? > > also: > > Rambo In Space Ashley > Coleridge On The Enterprise Ashley > Land of Inspirations Chadwick > > There might also be a case for adding weird stuff like Moorcock doing > "Warriors On the Edge" to the tune of "Spirit of the Age" > > > Anyone know of any others? > > FoFP > please do make a comp tape- i am trying to get to the point of having heard most all of their songs and this would fill the largest gap -the live stuff that never made it to record etc.. -mike psyche From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Nov 28 16:24:50 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:24:50 -0500 Subject: Mamakin BS Blowout Message-ID: Rudy says: >We can be the burnouts that yell requests from Imaginos, sing the wrong lyrics and generally be part of somebody's worst concert ever. LOL. Now now - people on this list that know me can probably attest that that's not my style. I'll be into havin' a damn good time (an a few hoists of fermented beverage will probably be a contributing factor), but bein' a rude dude won't be part of my concert experience. Besides, I'm sure if I was in front bein' a jerk, Deb would promptly whack me over the head with her michrophone stand. :-) I'll be coming from just north of Boston, not Worcester -- will see ya there! John From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Nov 28 16:26:22 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:26:22 -0500 Subject: A good day for Imaginos Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-28 13:26:39 EST, you write: >Can someone please >help me? > >I am the one you warned me of: Eric the high parts ("ten fingers have I....") are either sing by Jon Rogers or Joey Buttafucco >Les Invisibles: Eric?? I believe Eric is doing the "seven" bit...Buck is obviously on lead (unless I'm listening to a diff CD) >In the presence of another world: Eric > Is it Al singing "He has dominion over animals" near the > end of the song. uh...never heard that part...I'll listen for it next time... >Del Rio's Song: Eric >The Siege and Investiture...: ? Joey Buttafucco sings lead on this one >Astronomy: Eric >Magna Of Illusion: ? Buck with Albert >Blue Oyster Cult: ? Buck with Albert again >Imaginos: ? sounds like Albert doin' the lead ROBO exceeding his quota for the day.... "breakin' the law, breakin' the law" - Beavis and Butthead From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Nov 28 16:45:35 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:45:35 -0500 Subject: BOC??: Strats rewl! - with a twist Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-28 14:42:18 EST, you write: >That's a phenomena know as state specific memory, ROBO. I've read some >interesting studies and been an unwitting subject. You wouldn't believe the >memories that flooded back at the 1 HW concert I saw. > what exactly is "state specific memory"? can I load this onto my computer? it sounds like having flashbacks, only a more technical name for it... > >Notes- I'm a sucker for slide guitar. Slip out a bottleneck and do >something reasonable and you'll be in my top 20. Eric Clapton took the >wrong turn years ago and I relegated him to soft rock in the late 80s. Now >the local soft rock stations have him as a staple. Jimi was winding down >before he died too. Until I get WotT, I abstain on Buck D...just haven't >heard him. (I duck) > >Rudy yeah, I love slide too...it's hard to believe that in the history of BOC that they never did one "genuine" blues song w/ a slide...Eric chuckled when I suggested doing some blues covers...i.e. "that'll be the day when BOC plays blues"... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Nov 28 16:45:48 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:45:48 -0500 Subject: Imaginos (the movie) Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-28 14:54:38 EST, you write: >Naw they are all too obvious. Quentin Tarintino is tda man for the job. > >AB > > da man for da job is that David Lynch fella...just look at his flicks "Eraserhead" (one of the weirdest movies I ever saw) and "Fire Walk With Me"...I'm sure he could craft Imaginos into a bizarre cult classic like he's done with the others... I vote for Gary Oldman in the lead role... Jeremy Irons should have a part too...along with Kevin Bacon, Vinny Barbarino, Arnold Horshack, Juan Epstein and that Warshington fella.... the movie, like the album, should be out of chronological sequence with a tie-in at the end... cameo appearances by Albert, Sandy, Stephen King, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and BOC ROBO From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Nov 28 17:04:26 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 17:04:26 -0500 Subject: BOC??: Strats rewl! - with a twist Message-ID: >what exactly is "state specific memory"? can I load this onto my computer? Supposedly, if you learn something while in a particular state of mind (e.g. straight, drunk or stoned), it is recalled more easily at times when you are subsequently in the same state Yours scientifically Martyn PS. Do people think this is true? Has it been scientifically investigated? I can't remember. Wait a minute maybe if I ....... I'll get back to you later .. . .. . ... .. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 28 17:25:52 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 17:25:52 EST Subject: BOC??: Strats rewl! - with a twist Message-ID: > >Notes- I'm a sucker for slide guitar. Slip out a bottleneck and do > >something reasonable and you'll be in my top 20. Eric Clapton took the > >wrong turn years ago and I relegated him to soft rock in the late 80s. Now > >the local soft rock stations have him as a staple. Jimi was winding down > >before he died too. Until I get WotT, I abstain on Buck D...just haven't > >heard him. (I duck) > > > >Rudy > > yeah, I love slide too...it's hard to believe that in the history of BOC that > they never did one "genuine" blues song w/ a slide...Eric chuckled when I > suggested doing some blues covers...i.e. "that'll be the day when BOC plays > blues"... > > ROBO How come none of you slide afficianados have mentioned one of the best (albeit unorthodox) slide dudes ever--Jeff Beck? He did some conventional blues stuff in the Yardbirds, but then took it over the edge on his solo stuff, c.f. 'Shapes of things' off 'Truth' and 'Livin' Alone' from BBA. BTW, saw Warren Haynes in a club up here (Gov't Mule is playing in Dec.) and he's an amazing slider, fits in right nice with the Allmans. theo From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue Nov 28 17:57:03 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 17:57:03 -0500 Subject: BOC??: Strats rewl! - with a twist In-Reply-To: <9511282204.AA02229@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Nov 28, 95 05:04:26 pm Message-ID: Martyn White writes: > > >what exactly is "state specific memory"? can I load this onto my computer? > > Supposedly, if you learn something while in a particular > state of mind (e.g. straight, drunk or stoned), it is recalled more > easily at times when you are subsequently in the same state > > Yours scientifically > > Martyn > > PS. Do people think this is true? Has it been scientifically > investigated? I can't remember. Wait a minute maybe if I ....... > I'll get back to you later .. . .. . ... .. Dr. White's Gin-Pickled Eidetic Memory course! Sign up now - g^Hclasses start soon! Steve From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Nov 28 17:53:49 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 22:53:49 +0000 Subject: BOC??: Strats rewl! - with a twist In-Reply-To: <52EEC6E4AF4@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Nov 28, 95 05:25:52 pm Message-ID: > BTW, saw Warren Haynes in a club up here > (Gov't Mule is playing in Dec.) and he's an amazing slider, fits in > right nice with the Allmans. Gov't Mule kicks ass! Saw them headlinging for tBS back in August and that was a fun combo as far as I was concerned! (and well worth the 4-5 hour drive each way from Boston) Cheers, Carl From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Tue Nov 28 17:57:32 1995 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:57:32 -0600 Subject: BOC??: Strats rewl! - with a twist In-Reply-To: <9511282204.AA02229@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Nov 28, 95 05:04:26 pm Message-ID: > Supposedly, if you learn something while in a particular > state of mind (e.g. straight, drunk or stoned), it is recalled more > easily at times when you are subsequently in the same state > > Yours scientifically > > Martyn > > PS. Do people think this is true? Has it been scientifically > investigated? I can't remember. Wait a minute maybe if I ....... > I'll get back to you later .. . .. . ... .. Well, it's not scientific, but..: "It's okay man, if there's one thing I know, it's how to drive when I'm stoned. It's like you know your perspective is fucked - you just gotta let your hands work the controls as if you're straight.." -Zeke (or is it Edsel?) (from _Heavy Metal: The Movie_) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Nov 28 18:16:13 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 18:16:13 EST Subject: BOC??: Strats rewl! - with a twist Message-ID: > Gov't Mule kicks ass! Saw them headlinging for tBS back in > August and that was a fun combo as far as I was concerned! (and well > worth the 4-5 hour drive each way from Boston) > > Cheers, > Carl I saw Gov't Mule this summer, front row, as part of an outdoor festival. I got some great pictures. Warren's a most cool dude. I saw him right after the solo record came out. He played most of it, and put on a hell of a show, esp. since the place was only half-full. Then he hung around and met everyone in the bar, signed autographs, etc. He won a fan for life that day. theo From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 28 20:20:05 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 01:20:05 GMT Subject: HW: Live Oddities In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Tue, 28 Nov 1995 07:09:00 EST Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > The Goodwin book mentions a live video, _Night of the Hawks_ (26/11/84 at > Gaumont Theater, Ipswich). On this video is a song "Martian Disco Stomp," > right after "Uncle Sams on Mars". Since men may hail from Mars, I'm > intrigued by things from the home world. I haven't gotten this video yet, > so I don't know anything about this song. Is it a jam from the previous > song, a mislabeled song, or an oddity? Also, the "stomp" can be taken at > least 2 ways - a dance style or a bashing of disco. > > Can you shed some light on this, Bernhard or FoFP? It's still Uncle Sam's on Mars with Turner ranting about the President taking heroin and screwing his mother. Or something like that. Basically it's the Turner Out To Lunch stuff that tended to bugger up gigs in 1983 and 1984. > > Rudy FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Nov 28 20:23:09 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 01:23:09 GMT Subject: HW: Video quezzies In-Reply-To: R.Stuckey's message of Tue, 28 Nov 1995 15:34:30 GMT Message-ID: R.Stuckey writes: > Can anyone tell me what the earliest available video recording > of Hawkwind live is? Would it be the 84 stuff, or is there > something from an earlier date? I'd love to see one of the > early festival appearances. I have around 90 seconds of them playing Silver Machine in 1972. The BBC were supposed to have recorded 30 minutes of a gig so that they could put that track on Top of the Pops (Hawkwind refused to go into the ToTP studio and became the first live appearance). The Beeb now claim to have destroyed almost all 1972 material. FoFP From 70762.141 at COMPUSERVE.COM Tue Nov 28 21:48:54 1995 From: 70762.141 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Richard P. Manny) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 21:48:54 EST Subject: BOC: Kerrang Biog Message-ID: <> Dear John, We are of a like mind on this topic. The new sound isn't particularly memorable except that it is a "Beatles" song. I find the song interesting and effective (that is--it sounds like the Beatles and it works as a Beatles song), but my first exposure to the song was through the video, and the video was much more interesting (if not distracting). Yeah, it all is kinda scary how far we've come with recording technology. Richard From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Nov 28 22:59:30 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 22:59:30 -0500 Subject: BOC??: Strats rewl! - with a twist In-Reply-To: <30BAD8D7@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Nov 28, 95 02:32:00 pm Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > the local soft rock stations have him as a staple. Jimi was winding down > before he died too. Personally, I think Jimi was gearing up before he died. It was already clear that his compositions and playing had expanded to a point where the three piece Experience was becoming too limiting a vehicle for him (especially live, where he was having to double many of the parts, and then some...). Jimi was also moving into jazz territory, a relatively unknown realm for him. I think he would have been a great jazz guitarist were he alive today; he had such a flair for jamming. Hendrix's life was always a struggle to reproduce in the physical world the sounds he could hear and "see" in his head. He was continually limited by the available technology, something he found very frustrating. If he were still alive, I'm sure he'd be producing even more amazing sounds, given the advances in music technology today. So, IMHO, as Dr. Bob would say, I think Jimi was far from burned out when he died. The best was yet to come... Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Allman Brothers Band, _Brothers and Sisters_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Tue Nov 28 23:17:52 1995 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 20:17:52 -0800 Subject: Strats Message-ID: You wrote: > >> Generally, I think a Strat is at its best when played thru a cranked >> amp, but that's where I come from. BTW, IMHO (Dr. Bob out there?) >> one need go no further than Robin Trower (anything he's done) to get >> the essential Strat sound, though few can get that sound. Stevie Ray Vaughn did a hell of a job with the Strat, ringing about every tone possible from it. There's also an Italian guy named Bambi Fossatti who _wails_ on the thing. Of course, wasn't there some grunge guy from Seattle way back when who could play it a little...?..;) Wylie From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Nov 29 01:07:18 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 01:07:18 -0500 Subject: Hugo awards Message-ID: I already put this on the newsgroup, but that was before I was on the list, so, and the individual in question keeps bugging me to pass it on... A friend of mine named Phil Tortorici (who is trying to purchase a computer almost solely so he can get on this list) was commissioned to make bases for trophies of the hugo awards in 1992, which were presented in Orlando. This was the 50th anniversery of these (science fiction) awards. He placed BOC's trademark kronos symbol in the form of a constellation on a starfield on the bases of all the trophies. Roger Shrubstaff Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From richard.cummings at NOR.MKL.COM Wed Nov 29 03:01:00 1995 From: richard.cummings at NOR.MKL.COM (RICHARD CUMMINGS) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 03:01:00 -0500 Subject: Guitars & stuff Message-ID: I've got a video from the FOUO tour and in it Buck's main guitar is an Ibanez Destroyer. The original ones sounded nice but then they went and started using a different kind of would that gave them a thinner sound. As for strat's... I love 'em. The pre-CBS ones are choice. I had an '83 that wasn't any better than my "Sears-$79-for-a-guitar- and-amp-flat-top-plywood-LesPaul-copy". As for "IMAGINOS: The motion picture"... pump AB full of the finest columbian blend and let him direct it. Good or bad it would prove to be entertaining. Rich (I know what Torgo looks like) Cummings From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed Nov 29 06:26:16 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:26:16 GMT Subject: HW: Video quezzies Message-ID: > > That's a point actually, is there any good videos out that > > haven't got Nik T making a prat of himself? The Stonehenge vid > > would have been marvellous apart from his singing and I've seen > > another (can't remember where it's from) where he gets several > > women up on stage to dance (not very well). > > I like the Live Legends video, although this is > relatively recent. Also I may be biased as I am in love > with Bridget Wishart ;-) > > Martyn > Is that the Nottingham Rock City gig from 1990 which was shown on late night TV and features Dave in a silly hat? I've got a recording of that. It's good, but I really would like to see some earlier gigs which I missed out on through being born in the same year the band started. bye - Rob From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Wed Nov 29 00:59:01 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 06:59:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Video quezzies Message-ID: Hi there, > Can anyone tell me what the earliest available video recording > of Hawkwind live is? Would it be the 84 stuff, or is there > something from an earlier date? I'd love to see one of the > early festival appearances. It is: DUNSTABLE, CIVIC HALL, 07.07.1972 (2 minutes of SILVER MACHINE) MARITIAN DISCO STUMP = IRON DREAM This 1984 video was recorded at: IPSWICH, GAUMONT, 09.MARCH,1984 ttyl Bernhard ======================================================= BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Wed Nov 29 07:31:34 1995 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:31:34 +0000 Subject: Imaginos (the movie) Message-ID: > >Naw they are all too obvious. Quentin Tarintino is tda man for the job. > >AB > Yeah, the albums all out of sequence, so it'll fit his style well, mind you Old Quentin would probably rearrange it, & bring it into proper sequence, just to make a change. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 29 07:34:20 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 07:34:20 EST Subject: Strats Message-ID: > Stevie Ray Vaughn did a hell of a job with the Strat, ringing about > every tone possible from it. There's also an Italian guy named Bambi > Fossatti who _wails_ on the thing. > > Of course, wasn't there some grunge guy from Seattle way back when > who could play it a little...?..;) > > Wylie Yeah, 'The Boy From Seattle!' Stevie was my kind of dude: Bridge cables for strings, action high enough to do the limbo under, vintage Fender amps. enough soul for a whole band. R.I.P. brother... From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 29 07:42:43 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 07:42:43 EST Subject: Guitars & stuff Message-ID: > I've got a video from the FOUO tour and in it Buck's main > guitar is an Ibanez Destroyer. The original ones sounded nice > but then they went and started using a different kind of would > that gave them a thinner sound. > > As for strat's... I love 'em. The pre-CBS ones are choice. > I had an '83 that wasn't any better than my "Sears-$79-for-a-guitar- > and-amp-flat-top-plywood-LesPaul-copy". > Maybe on the video he's using an Ibanez, I haven't seen it. But I saw Buck live at least a dozen times with his Giuliano gtr. In fact, there's a credit for Giuli on the Mirrors album. I once worked security for a BOC concert, and got to hang with the gtr tech for a while, and actually got to play Buck's gtrs. They were certainly not Ibanez. He had a couple of Vulcans, as well as assorted SGs, Pauls, etc. This was when EB had some nice gtrs too. The new Strats are pretty amazing too. I just got a '94, 40th anniversary model, and I love it. Darn near perfect gtr, and I'm comparing it to my 4 Hamers, which aren't exactly chopped liver either. I had a 70s model, with the bullet truss rod (actually not a bad concept) which was awful. Probably why it took me 20 years to buy another Fender! theo From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Nov 29 07:51:46 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:51:46 GMT Subject: HW: Video quezzies In-Reply-To: R.Stuckey's message of Tue, 28 Nov 1995 15:34:30 GMT Message-ID: > and I've seen > another (can't remember where it's from) where he gets several > women up on stage to dance (not very well). That's Night Of The Hawks again. It has it's good moments, but IMO they're outweighed by the bad ones. dave. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Nov 29 08:28:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 08:28:00 EST Subject: Errata - Retraction - Just kidding Message-ID: theo, you are right about Jeff Beck. I meant to include him in my honorable mention section, but it slipped my mind in my haste. Martyn, state specific memory is a published effect (some debate) and I believe that it has more subtle implications. I do human factors work for the US DOT and think emergency reaction training of pilots, etc. is hindered by panic partly because of this. Their training is done in a relaxed, more alpha state environment (that is changing). If they lose that during an incident, I think that it compounds the other panic effects. Can't remember quickly what they know they should know which induces more panic. Also study martial arts and I believe that is one reason why a clear mind is stressed. The movements are learned as an active form of meditation (alpha state again). Lose that in an incident, lose your knowledge of how to react. Unfortunately, we do applied stuff and not "research" so the type of stuff I publish doesn't take this tangent. John, I tend to follow AB's rules of concert decorum. Just want me and everybody to have a good time. (Although, Rude Dude is a nickname of mine, but it is just a permutation of my real name.) I figured I was talking out there enough that I wouldn't be taken seriously. Geez, I even use Zip + 4 on my mail. Carl, I've heard Gov. Mule on the ether box a few times and was impressed. Sounds like another band to concentrate on if Warren is a heavy slider. Paul, I have to admit to a bias against jazz. Since Jimi was heading that way, I figure he lost lock on the nav aids. I like music that stirs me. Most jazz bores the heck out of me. I don't buy the idea that jazz is inherently superior to that awful rock stuff. To think that I don't need coffee to get myself in trouble. My lunch time workout usually gets the endorphins buzzing about my brain. Rudy (who wouldn't know a Torgo if he came and bit me) From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 29 08:52:50 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 08:52:50 EST Subject: Errata - Retraction - Just kidding Message-ID: > Also study martial arts and I believe that is one reason why a clear mind > is stressed. The movements are learned as an active form of meditation > (alpha state again). Lose that in an incident, lose your knowledge of how > to react. Unfortunately, we do applied stuff and not "research" so the type > of stuff I publish doesn't take this tangent. Rudy, That's why it's a good idea to do plenty of sparring in addition to forms. Of course, even in sparring, you're not really trying to kill your opponent, who quite likely is a friend anyway. I suspect that's why so many martial artist get piss-pounded in bar fights. They get up against some crazy whose 'alpha stat' is permanently aroused! theo From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Wed Nov 29 08:48:54 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 08:48:54 EST Subject: No coffee in a few days Message-ID: I've been taking it easy with the coffee lately, since it gives me the runs. Just a few reactions from the doctor, though: Jason writes: >>>stuff deleted<<< BTW, IMHO (Dr. Bob out there?) >>>stuff deleted<<< Yes, Jason, I'm here, and quite disappointed to see such symbology. May you be cured of your ailment once and for all. Two different people, Deb & John S. have mentioned the "B" word on this list. Oh the pain, oh the agony. Please stop, you're killing me here. But since you mentioned it, let me state my thoughts about England's greatest curse on the U.S. Momma always said if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all, hence my opinion of the Beatles: Speaking of England (and a hearty "Hip Hip" to our British friends), I was recently pondering the hype surrounding the recent Beatles documentary here in the states. Lo and behold, less than a week later, a fine historical documentary about the American Revolution appears on the A&E cable network. I couldn't help but think that there may still be hope for the American entertainment industry if they can counterattack a Beatles special with a 6 hour documentary about secessionists kicking some royal ass. -Dr. Bob (life begins at 180 m.p.h.) rkohl at state.de.us From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Nov 29 09:21:51 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:21:51 -0500 Subject: Imaginos Images... Message-ID: Is it just me, or in the Imaginos verison of "Astronomy", does the line=20 "and now the sand becomes a crust" has the last word "crust" seems to be changed (though none of the lyrics archives I've seen reflect this). It seems to have a long "oo" vowel, at least. "sand becomes acrued?" "a cruz?", "acrux"? I heard this version first (yeah, I know, I got introduced to B=D6C in a= weird order - First FoUo, then Spectres, then Imaginos, then 'Career of Evil" comp, then SEE, then finally ST (and onto the rest), so that always confused me. =20 Imaginos the movie - most of this is wishful thinking, particularly in terms of participants and directors. It'd have to be someone who was into it in the first place, IMHO, to get their interest. Perhaps an animated feature would be possible. That would be far cheaper to do, and could still incorporate some very sophisticated special effects... While I'm at it, "Hi". I just joined this list, seems a cool place to hang out, I am a devotee of both groups, live in Florida, am a programmer by trade, and wouldn't know a "strat" from a "fender" if it hit me on the head. But I do enjoy reading about them. Ignore most of the stuff in my sig, it's for another list... =3D=3D=3D ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater =20 Kingdom of the Burning Lands From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 29 09:34:39 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:34:39 EST Subject: Imaginos Images... Message-ID: > > > While I'm at it, "Hi". I just joined this list, seems a cool place to hang > out, I am a devotee of both groups, live in Florida, am a programmer by > trade, and wouldn't know a "strat" from a "fender" if it hit me on the head. > But I do enjoy reading about them. Ignore most of the stuff in my sig, it's > for another list... > > =3D=3D=3D > > > > > ----------------------------+------------------------------------- > Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) > Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random > Barony of Silverwater =20 > Kingdom of the Burning Lands Roger, welcome to BOC-L. A STrat is a Fender! theo From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Wed Nov 29 09:41:43 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:41:43 +0000 Subject: No coffee in a few days In-Reply-To: from "Robert Kohl" at Nov 29, 95 08:48:54 am Message-ID: > I couldn't help but think that there may still be hope for the American > entertainment industry if they can counterattack a Beatles special with a 6 > hour documentary about secessionists kicking some royal ass. Hear hear! Not everyone in England is a royalist sychophant you know. (ahem, appologies to any of my fellow Brits who are!) :-) Jason ObBOC: One thing I've always liked about Buck's guitar work is that it that, like Blackmore, he doesn't just play pentatonic inspired guitar runs (like I do). Blackmore is very classically inspired. Buck seems fairly jazz inspired. -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Wed Nov 29 09:50:02 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:50:02 -0500 Subject: Strats In-Reply-To: <199511290417.UAA03295@ix4.ix.netcom.com> from "William Stone" at Nov 28, 95 08:17:52 pm Message-ID: > > You wrote: > > > >> Generally, I think a Strat is at its best when played thru a cranked > >> amp, but that's where I come from. BTW, IMHO (Dr. Bob out there?) > >> one need go no further than Robin Trower (anything he's done) to get > >> the essential Strat sound, though few can get that sound. > > Stevie Ray Vaughn did a hell of a job with the Strat, ringing about > every tone possible from it. There's also an Italian guy named Bambi > Fossatti who _wails_ on the thing. > Garybaldi, right? Which release? I have ASTROLABIA, which hasn't been spun in quite a while... objCassette Deck: Nuevo Era / L'Ultimo Viaggio (I LOVE Italian prog-rock, new and old! These guys are some of the best new proggers!) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Nov 29 09:46:15 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:46:15 +0000 Subject: No coffee in a few days In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Two different people, Deb & John S. have mentioned the "B" word on this list. > Oh the pain, oh the agony. Please stop, you're killing me here. But since > you mentioned it, let me state my thoughts about England's greatest curse on > the U.S. Momma always said if you don't have anything good to say, don't say > anything at all, hence my opinion of the Beatles: > > > This is a strange reaction from someone who appears to be named after a Beatles song (Doctor Robert)! Yeah, yeah, yeah...:) Dave From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Nov 29 10:00:59 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:00:59 -0500 Subject: BOC playing in Melbourne FL Message-ID: BOC is playing this Saturday 2 December 95 in Melbourne, Florida at a local club called "The Zoo". Tickets: $12. This is the same place they played approx. three years ago... I'll probably be there, wearing my Nethawks T. Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From rhame at CTP.COM Wed Nov 29 09:40:28 1995 From: rhame at CTP.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:40:28 -0500 Subject: Off Topic: Beatles new singles Message-ID: Hi Folks, Well, I thought I'd throw in an opinion on the new Beatles stuff. I'm a big Beatles fan but I think the new stuff is horrible! A couple of people have said it reminded them of late Beatles but to me it sounds exactly like what it is: Late 70's Lennon solo stuff with a little touch up to make it a "Beatles" effort. Does anyone know the level of effort put in by the other Beatles? One song sounded like it had a Harrison solo, and the other definately sounded like Ringo's drums, but overall it seems like they are just adding to (nearly) completed tracks. I was pretty disappointed. Ok, back on topic: I'll definately be at the 'Surgeons gig on the 22nd! Imagine my horror when I opened the new morning final to find out I had missed BOC and BS on back to back nights this summer around Boston, UGH! Anyone got a good read on Mamakin? How's the club set up, sound, etc? Rich +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Rich Hamel ! This is the Central Scrutinizer. ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! The white zone is for loading and unloading! ! 304 Vassar St. ! only. If ya gotta load, or ya gotta unload,! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! go to the white zone.... ! ! (617)-374-8266 ! ! ! rhame at ctp.com ! You'll love it! It's a way of life! ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 29 10:06:52 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:06:52 EST Subject: No coffee in a few days Message-ID: > Hear hear! > > Not everyone in England is a royalist sychophant you know. > (ahem, appologies to any of my fellow Brits who are!) > > :-) > > Jason > > ObBOC: One thing I've always liked about Buck's guitar work is that it that, > like Blackmore, he doesn't just play pentatonic inspired guitar runs (like I > do). Blackmore is very classically inspired. Buck seems fairly jazz inspired. > -- > Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Jason, It is tough to break out of the 'blues box,' isn't it. I think Buck uses a lot of Dorian modes, though I wouldn't really know music theory from a bale of hay. Actually, he does use a lot of pentatonics, but he breaks them apart, modally. Also, he relies upon a lot of passing tones, so it changes the emphasis, and makes his licks sound less pentatonic. RB is very classical sounding, a la Schenker, both of whom, regretably, inspired the likes of Yngwie et al. theo From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Nov 30 14:15:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:15:00 PST Subject: Imaginos the Movie - Could Happen Message-ID: oooo the coffee is good today. Imaginos - Movie, stage production whatever, it would be awesome. Yeah Tarrintino would probably make Imaginos into a wise guy drug smuggler so lets get back to the thought of either David Lynch (Elephant Man, Blue Velvet) or myself high on Torgo blend. Now as a new hollywood type I would want full control and would insist that Mr. Bouchard be part of the production. Now all of you people out there send in you seed money for a portion of the net proceeds that this Oscar bound mega hit will generate. Dr. Bob (IMHO) - Hey a lot of people are starting to link this to the Dr. Please re-read Dr. Bob's excellent post on this subject for the correct use of IMHO and all the other stuff like smiley faces. Hey Doc, don't know Henry huh. Just thought I ask. What are your favorite colors BTW? Torgo - Someone (Rudy?) said they wouldn't Torgo if he walked up to them and bit them. Maybe you wouldn't know Torgo (aka Dr. Music) but if RAC bit you boy would you know it. Confused go back and re-read the Dream story. Arghh Torgo side two of my tape is screwed but I won't let that delay the package. Got the address thanks. AB's rules of Concert Decorum - I told you people to save that stuff. Trust me it works, be nice to people and people will be nice to you. Besides don't you go to concerts to enjoy yourself rather than starting bar fights? speaking of which..... Fighting In bars, Martial Arts and Alpha States - While I too practice the martial arts I tend not to use them in actual combat. Why? I don't think there are a lot of things in life worth (physically) fighting over. Hey take my car or wallet, call me names just don't touch or threaten the wife and kids, do so then we fight. Do martial artist fall flat on their faces in bar fights? Maybe they do sometimes but in one on one combat what usually determines the winner is skill, courage, stamina and who wants to win the most. I have seen boxers beat the crap out of black belts. I have also seen martial artist lay waste to two or three people at the same time. Whatever, can't we all just get along? Buck and Jazz - Jason O points out something I have believed for a long time, Buck is a jazz influenced guitarist. Heck I also think both Bouchards and Alan got a little of that jazz thing in the blood. You lay it and these guys could play it. Wouldn't it be wild to walk into some dimly lit, smoke filled bar with a quartet on stage pumping out some really cool tunes, then suddenly you notice the drummer is wearing a tuxedo t-shirt..... Paul and Hendrix - You're right my friend, the best of Jimi was yet to come. Imagine what we would have if Jimi had lived. Tip of the hat to Charlie - Thanks for all the hard work on the directory my friend. Off topic to John S. - Truly a lucky man. How many times have you seen the Surgeons now? I should live in Boston. BTW You may need to throw out what you know about the band in order to make a judgment on the new one. It sounds radically different. I like what I hear so far. More later. Hey can we all start posting this way. A(Trend setter)B From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Wed Nov 29 11:28:27 1995 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 08:28:27 -0800 Subject: Strats Message-ID: >> >> Craig S. wrote: >> > >> >> Generally, I think a Strat is at its best when played thru a cranked >> >> amp, but that's where I come from.... I completely agree. Myself, I can't stand the sound of a Strat at moderate volume ('room temperature') I can't play anything other than Les Pauls and I gave up on the Strat. Les Pauls are the best in my view, but that's like Apples and Oranges, IBM and Apple... Steve "I don't practice what I preach because I'm not the sort of person I'm preaching to." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Nov 29 11:39:46 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:39:46 +0000 Subject: No coffee in a few days In-Reply-To: <53F9B805135@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 1995, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > > > > Jason > > > > ObBOC: One thing I've always liked about Buck's guitar work is that it that, > > like Blackmore, he doesn't just play pentatonic inspired guitar runs (like I > > do). Blackmore is very classically inspired. Buck seems fairly jazz inspired. > > -- > > Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group > Jason, > It is tough to break out of the 'blues box,' isn't it. I think Buck > uses a lot of Dorian modes, though I wouldn't really know music > theory from a bale of hay. Actually, he does use a lot of > pentatonics, but he breaks them apart, modally. Also, he relies upon > a lot of passing tones, so it changes the emphasis, and makes his > licks sound less pentatonic. RB is very classical sounding, a la > Schenker, both of whom, regretably, inspired the likes of Yngwie et > al. > theo > One of the things that impresses me most about Buck's live playing is that on some songs the solos seem to be very spontaneous -- though I guess it's possible he actually rehearses different solos (unlikely I'd have thought). Obviously, this spontanaiety pays off better on some occassions than others, but it's always makes for interesting listening and can occassionally be positively sublime. For anyone who hasn't yet heard BOC live, check out the different versions of Buck's Boogie on "Fantasy Distillations", "OYFOOTYK", "Cult Classics", "WoTT". On the other hand, someone like Michael Schenker -- whose playing I do very much like -- usually seems to concentrate on reproducing the same solos on each occassion. I don't know about Blackmore. I also agree with the comment about Buck having a jazzy style. In fact, some of the pre-BOC material (thanks Bolle) features extended solos which are remarkable for their fluidity and jazzy style. Probably the jazziest solos on studio BOC albums are "Tenderloin" and "Moon Crazy" (which, as mentioned earlier, does include a specific jazz reference). Dave From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Wed Nov 29 12:07:59 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:07:59 -0600 Subject: Off Topic: julian cope/kraut rock In-Reply-To: <199511291505.KAA03573@wormhole.ctp.com> Message-ID: i picked up julian cope's latest album "20 mothers" from the radio station the other day and it is pretty cool it is a mix of pop and more psychedelic songs -20 in all! since it was a promo it came with a biography page that talks a lot about what he's been up to lately. aparrently he haswritten a book on the krautrock scene called -"krautrocksampler" which is billed as a "celebraion of the scene that produced such bands as Faust,Can, Tangerine Dream, Neu, and Ammon Duul I & II . anyone seen this? i'd like to check it out. the album itself uses a lot of moog and other effects to groove out his songs. its worth checking out if you like things like bevis fronds more straightforward stuff and I thinks it is as good as the new sundial - acid yantra. -later mike psyche From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Wed Nov 29 12:29:11 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:29:11 -0500 Subject: e-mail friendly directory Message-ID: Well here it is. The Grinning Boys BOC-L Directory. I hope you're not too disappointed, but hopefully it's OK as a point and shoot thing. All credit to Adrian (AB) Brevard without whose efforts etc etc. Please note that information included here has been forwarded for that purpose. Other information could have been added by, eg, taking it off the bottom of people's postings but hasn't been because it wasn't specifically requested (and was too much hassle). If anybody has any additions or corrections etc then please e-mail me privatetly, copying in A(OD'd on coffee itself)B. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com ============================================================================== +---------------------------------------+ | BLUE OYSTER CULT / HAWKWIND DIRECTORY | +---------------------------------------+ Listing of Memebers of BOC-L ---------------------------- (Note: Ages correct on, or about 29 Aug 1995) Primary Band: Blue Oyster Cult. =============================== NAME HANDLE AGE E-MAIL ==== ====== === ====== Adrian Brevard.......|AB...............|37|Abrevard at shiwas01.washington.shl.com Andrew A. Apold |Mordru...........|27|mordru at magg.net Ben Cohen............|.................|28|ben at st-canard.spc.edu Bert Edens...........|Chigger..........|..|bedens at intellinet.com Brad L...............|.................|32|.......... Brian Halligan.......|.................|20|Halligbt at bigvax.alfred.edu Charlie Grant........|Charles the......|38|grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com |Grinning Boy Charlotte Brorsson...|.................|29|epkchb at kaepk.ericsson.se Chip Hart............|.................|..|chip at pcc.com Chris Shortall.......|Imaginos.........|19|cis4 at aber.ac.uk Dan Lindfors.........|.................|34|.......... David Hardman........|.................|33|dh2 at bes.leeds.ac.uk Ed Eichendorf........|Ike..............|..|ike at mo.net Eric M. Falk.........|EF...............|30|.......... H. Ric Hedges........|.................|43|Rocker22 at aol.com Howard Willman.......|Howard...........|35|HWillman at aol.com Ira Cooper...........|Martian Land.....|25|cic8180 at tam2000.tamu.edu |Lizard Jason Gool...........|.................|34|etljegl at etlxdmx.ericsson.se Jason O'Broin........|.................|24|jobroin at madge.com Jean Delacour........|.................|41|delacour at unm.edu Jeff Berry...........|JB...............|28|.......... John Swartz..........|.................|31|John_Swartz at iegate.mitre.org Joseph Brooks........|Imaginos.........|..|jbrooks at bpalace.com Kevin Rubin..........|Gnome............|26|gnome at teleport.com Manuel Alzaga Jr.....|.................|31|delacour at unm.edu Mark Jeffers.........|Nolan Voyd.......|27|stargaze at hevanet.com Mark Joslin..........|mjos.............|34|mjos at mail.cpbx.net Matt Thompson........|.................|27|thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com Mike Propst..........|.................|16|Warren at bigdog.fred.net Niko Makila..........|.................|27|Niko.Makila at csc.fi Peter Sondergeld.....|.................|31|p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au Phillip A Jaeger.....|Riordan..........|30|.......... Rich Hamel...........|Rich.............|28|rhame at ctp.com Robert Khol..........|Dr. Bob..........|..|rkohl at state.de.us Rob Maerz............|ROBODUDE.........|25|nstk33a at prodigy.com Ross Reyes...........|RR...............|35|Reyes at nj.semiharris.com Robert Sedler........|Torgo............|32|.......... Robert Welch.........|.................|..|rbwelch at netcom.com Shawn Quinn..........|squiin...........|30|squinn at digital.net Steve Phillips.......|Dr. Zaius........|29|zaius at teleport.com Ted O. Jackson.......|Theo.............|41|tojackson at hawk.syr.edu Thomas Nelson........|The Gumby Man....|30|gumby at primenet.com Unknown..............|TOX..............|..|tox at wjh.harvard.edu Unknown..............|Subhuman.........|24|.......... Primary Band: Hawkwind ====================== Alan Seibert.........|.................|25|alanseibert at delphi.com Allan T. Grohe Jr....|.................|..|iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Allen B. Ruch........|The Great Quail..|..|TheQuail at cthulhu.microserve.com Andrew Fergus Wilson.|yuri gagarin.....|25|.......... Bernhard Pospiech....|.................|35|.......... Bill Stewart.........|.................|41|.......... Bob Rudich...........|Rudy the ferret..|41|Rudich at volpe2.DOT.GOV |mage Carl Edlund..........|.................|..|cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk Anderson. | Chuck Johnson........|Captain Cloud....|30|cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd. | harris.com Chuck Rosenberg......|.................|22|.......... Craig Shipley........|Ship.............|39|craigs at pyramid.com Chris Bates..........|Chris............|31|c.d.bates at shu.ac.uk Chris Baxley.........|.................|34|chris_baxley at sonymusic.com Damon C. Capehart....|Le Monseur Damon.|22|dcapehar at utdallas.edu Dave Berry...........|.................|34|.......... Dave Cohen...........|lapis............|..|lapis at pobox.upenn.edu David Jones..........|.................|34|david at mastmoor.demon.co.uk Derrick C Chilton....|.................|28|.......... Doug Pearson.........|Ceres (records)..|27|ceres at sirius.com Duane Hoyt...........|Duke.............|37|aa5287 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu Endre Zsoldos........|.................|38|zsoldos at ogyalla.konkoly.hu Frank Weil...........|.................|34|frankw at comm.mot.com Gary Wingert.........|Wingo............|37|gary at z-code.com or wingo at well.com Guido Vacano.........|.................|30|.......... Henrik Hallgren......|.................|36|100522.44 at compuserve.com Jerry Guizar Jr......|.................|35|iguizar at epix.net or | jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us Jill Strobridge......|Jill.............|..|J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk Johan Edlundh........|\\joe............|32|hawkjoe at eka.ericsson.se John Cartledge.......|.................|32|cs0jca at isis.sunderland.ac.uk John McIntyre........|Wolf.............|..|mcintyre at pa.msu.edu Julian Christou......|.................|41|christoj at plk.af.mil,christou at as. | arizona.edu Keith Barton.........|.................|26|K_Barton at eng.hud.ac.uk Keith Frazier........|.................|35|.......... Keith Henderson......|Keith H..........|31|khenders at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu L. Sade Smagola......|Witch Doktressa..|36|he360 or gk450 at cleveland. |TBA freenet.edu (gk450 for direct mail) Martin Popoff........|Riff Kills Man...|32|martinp at inforamp.net Martyn Lawrence......|Marty............|34|martynl at fujitsu.com.au Martyn White.........|.................|38|.......... Maxine Wesley........|With Care........|32|mxw at dmu.ac.uk Mike P. Mccollum.....|Mike Psyche......|25|mccolmp at mail.auburn.edu Mike Wright..........|Big Mike.........|30|m.s.wright at reading.ac.uk Mitch Goldman........|.................|34|mitch.goldman at turner.com Neil Shilladay.......|.................|26|shillada at gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com Norman Beresford.....|Thrak............|22|Norman at faith.ftech.co.uk Olivier Boigey.......|.................|30|o.boigey at techlink.fr Paul Ward............|Assassin.........|..|sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au |Sonique' Rob Stuckey..........|.................|25|.......... Ron Jennings.........|RJ...............|..|rjpxr5 at aol.com Scott Heller.........|.................|32|.......... Sebastian Welton.....|.................|31|.......... Stephen Lindsey......|Steve L..........|31|stephen at system9.unisys.com Stuart Hungerford....|.................|34|stuart.hungerford at dit.csiro.au Terry Poot...........|D-Rider..........|35|tp at jdt.com Vince LeGrand........|.................|41|vlegrand at postoffice.ptd.net (Primry band: The BrainSurgeons) ================================ Albert Thomas........|.................|48|wk06705 at worldlink.com Bouchard. | From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Nov 29 13:02:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:02:00 EST Subject: Imaginos the Movie - Then read the topic headers (it does stray) Message-ID: Imaginos - I like the idea of Lynch directing this vapor flick. My 2nd choice would be whoever directed _Black Orchid_. Nice dark tone. AB's rules of Concert Decorum - This was a keeper, but really common sense too. The real deal would have stated whether or not person on the right gets preference over person on left, how much placekeeping must be done if the crush is really on, the Miss Manners type details. What if you come back to find the person switched spots with you and gave you his former (less attractive) spot? Still give him the beer? Fighting - The whole point is to make physical conflict the very last resort. As you said AB, the key is realizing most things aren't worth fighting over. Also, don't appear the victim and make them look for easier prey elsewhere. Use the force young jedi. I love the scene in Star Wars where Obi Wan convinces the sentinels that they aren't who they are looking for. Hendrix - Don't agree the best was yet to come. His last recordings lagged in sales. Paul mentioned he outgrew the Experience as backup, but what would jazz do to correct this? People couldn't keep up with Jimi because they lacked his "vision," not because they were limited by rock. For all you know he would have started making random noises that no one but him would understand and just figure that it was such great jazz improv. This emperor has no clothes! Hey can we all start posting this way - This posting style is common on many lists. My mail software doesn't automatically flag quotes, so it works for me. Rudy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 29 13:32:15 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:32:15 EST Subject: Imaginos the Movie - Then read the topic headers (it do Message-ID: > Hendrix - Don't agree the best was yet to come. His last recordings lagged > in sales. Paul mentioned he outgrew the Experience as backup, but what > would jazz do to correct this? People couldn't keep up with Jimi because > they lacked his "vision," not because they were limited by rock. For all > you know he would have started making random noises that no one but him > would understand and just figure that it was such great jazz improv. This > emperor has no clothes! > > Hey can we all start posting this way - This posting style is common on many > lists. My mail software doesn't automatically flag quotes, so it works for > me. > > Rudy I agree that the jury should stay out on Jimi. I don't want to get too moral, 'cause I've done (and still do, to some extent) my share of partying, but some of the bios I've read make it clear that Jimi was so wasted so often that I'm not sure he knew what he wanted. Also, not all artist keep progressing. Some hit a plateau and coast from there. Could be Jimi had taken things as far as he could. Look at all of Clapton's efforts, pretty hit or miss, though I don't think he ever had the creative flair like Jimi. change topic I just picked up a near-mint copy of 'Spectres' vinyl for 2 bucks. Not a cut-out, and with orig. chronos sleve and chronos on label. Too much. I've been listening to this the last 2 days, and it makes me all the more sad that Joe and Al are gone from BOC. That album has them all over it. Also, Joe seems to get ignored on BOC-L, and it shouldn't be so. He's a great bass player and vocalist, and contributed some excellent songwriting. I believe it can still be BOC with the 3 remaining, but the band is immeasurably better with the killer Bs. theo From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Nov 29 13:49:15 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:49:15 -0500 Subject: e-mail friendly directory Message-ID: BOC and HW fan lists deleted >(Primry band: The BrainSurgeons) >================================ > >Albert Thomas........|.................|48|wk06705 at worldlink.com >Bouchard. | Hey, wait a minute! Are you allowed to be on the fan list if you are actually in the band? I don't know about this :-) Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Nov 29 13:51:41 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:51:41 -0500 Subject: e-mail friendly directory Message-ID: >Martyn White.........|.................|38|.......... email is white at borg.med.ecu.edu as should have been apparent from mail header. Can I change my band affiliation to Nikwind? Martyn From bedens at INTELLINET.COM Wed Nov 29 12:58:12 1995 From: bedens at INTELLINET.COM (Steeeeeven) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:58:12 -0500 Subject: No coffee in a few days Message-ID: >This is a strange reaction from someone who appears to be named after a >Beatles song (Doctor Robert)! Yeah, yeah, yeah...:) >Dave I dunno, I always think of Dr. Bob from the Muppets' Veterinarian's Hospital fame... :) Later... Bert +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bert Edens - bedens at intellinet.com | | http://www.intellinet.com/~bedens/home.html | +------------------------------------------------------------+ | "...More cans of food, feeding 193 families came to this | | school than ever before... We only have one problem, and | | we're gonna deal with it this coming week... What are | | those people gonna eat NEXT WEEK?" --- Harry Chapin | +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Are you a baseball statistic nut? Ask me about Retrosheet! | +------------------------------------------------------------+ From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Nov 29 14:08:33 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:08:33 -0500 Subject: Imaginos the Movie - Could Happen In-Reply-To: <30BCA461@houmg001.shl.com> from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Nov 30, 95 11:15:00 am Message-ID: BREVARD Adrian R. writes: > > AB's rules of Concert Decorum - I told you people to save that stuff. Trust > me it works, be nice to people and people will be nice to you. [...] Should this be before, after, or during, the AB-recommended early trip to the bathroom? Steve From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Nov 30 17:06:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:06:00 PST Subject: Joe B Message-ID: >change topic >I just picked up a near-mint copy of 'Spectres' vinyl for 2 bucks. >Not a cut-out, and with orig. chronos sleve and chronos on label. >Too much. I've been listening to this the last 2 days, and it makes >me all the more sad that Joe and Al are gone from BOC. That album >has them all over it. Also, Joe seems to get ignored on BOC-L, and >it shouldn't be so. He's a great bass player and vocalist, and >contributed some excellent songwriting. I believe it can still be >BOC with the 3 remaining, but the band is immeasurably better with >the killer Bs. >theo Ah Theo I was just talking off line with some folks when Joe B's name came up. A terrific bass player and very good vocalist. Sadly I must admit that in the days when he was in the band I tended to overlook his contributions as well. I always was fixated by Buck and Al and Eyes, Joe and Alan were hardly ever noticed in my youth. In fact it wasn't until AOF and Specters that I really noticed just how good Alan and Joe are. Just take a listen to Searchin for Celine, or Revenge of Vera Gemini, man oh man. One thing about Joe though it seemed to me that Joe didn't want to be in the spotlight very much. For instance it was like Al said "Get over to that microphone and sing Hot Rails to Hell lil brother (Al is older isn't he?) or I'll kick your butt." I doubt anything like that really happened but Joe appeared to me to be content to do his part without standing out. When I saw him in 75 he was a lot like Buck, no posing just playing. He was a bit more animated than Buck but he never resorted to Gene Simmons type theatrics in my recollection of the one time I saw him play. Which brings me to a question that Al is most qualified to answer. You have a band that by most accounts had four guys in it that could do or be the lead man. How in the world with that much talent do you guys get along for so many years sharting these duties? Was there ever any discussion as to lets make this guy the one and only front man and stick with it? Do you think the band would have taken some different directions if say you were elected to be the front man for all songs? Curious. AB From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Nov 29 14:12:19 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:12:19 -0500 Subject: No coffee in a few days Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-29 10:05:48 EST, you write: >ObBOC: One thing I've always liked about Buck's guitar work is that it that, >like Blackmore, he doesn't just play pentatonic inspired guitar runs (like I >do). Blackmore is very classically inspired. Buck seems fairly jazz inspired. I've asked Buck this Q several times...he says that the Beach Boys are a definate influence, I will have to root the chat logs to see whom he says are his influences, as I asked him at one of the chats... most of the runs I do are Blues scale influenced...but I'm woikin on the pentatonic scale, slowly but surely... ROBO on the Stun guitar... From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Nov 29 14:12:15 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:12:15 -0500 Subject: Imaginos Images... Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-29 09:59:25 EST, you write: >Roger, >welcome to BOC-L. A STrat is a Fender! >theo > > yes, by definition... then there are others that model the Strat eg the Washburn Strat... but da Strat we is talkin about is the real thing! : } now, a Q for those who are really knowledgable about Strats: I went to a music store some time ago to check out a Strat (among the ones he had : a Stevie Ray Vaughn signature series , a Strat in some kind of red that he claims Fender doesn't use anymore , the Squires , and the Washburn Strats I played were pretty decent ) and the guy said that in the 70s Fender was trying to cut back on costs by only putting 3 screws (in a triangular fashion) where the neck attaches to the body...he told me to stay away from these Strats because they will go out of tune all the time...so the Q is, are there any other known problems with the Strats that I should be aware of? ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Nov 29 14:12:30 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:12:30 -0500 Subject: Imaginos the Movie - Could Happen Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-29 11:26:24 EST, you write: >I have >also seen martial artist lay waste to two or three people at the same time. > Whatever, can't we all just get along? as long as there are people with a difference of opinion, religion, race etc etc, we will never just "get along" unless we are all cloned...world peace will never happen, racism will never end...there will always be the poor that steal for food, and the rich that kill... NP: Metallica "Sad But True" >Hey can we all start posting this way. > >A(Trend setter)B AB - I think every forum should have an Adrian Brevard...whether it's offtopic or not, he finds way to stimulate conversation (I raise my can of beer up high)...furthermore, AB oughtta be a columnist for a music mag and call his column "Strong Coffee, Weak Thoughts"...we could use AB at the 4 Winds Bar to occupy the stool vacated by John Rolfe, the man who saw to it that a BOC reference appeared in Sports Illustrated For Kids (if ya haven't seen it, the frames will be on the Underbelly soon)... Posting - it's a good ideer, but I don't think my posts will resemble yours in any way shape or form Nethawk T's - Yes!!! got mine yesterday, very nice! inside story has it that there may be a few leftover "Four Winds Bar / Underbelly Online" T-Shirts if anyone is interested...more on that much much later... Fleetwood Mac - anyone know the title of the double album of the early FM with Peter Green? it's the studio album with Black Magic Woman on it, back when FM was a blues band... Coffee - 2 cups, goin' for the third... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Nov 29 14:12:40 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:12:40 -0500 Subject: No coffee in a few days Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-29 11:46:04 EST, you write: >One of the things that impresses me most about Buck's live playing is >that on some songs the solos seem to be very spontaneous -- though I >guess it's possible he actually rehearses different solos (unlikely I'd >have thought). well, they probly are spontaneous...most solos have there signature lick (eg Reaper - at the beginning of the solo he does the trill and then slides up to the 19th fret, does the bend and then slides back down....at the end of the solo, he knows that he wants to get to that G so whatever happens in between, Buck is pretty much free to do whatever he wants, and as long as its not out-of-key, its not gonna sound bad...)... there are several reasons why Buck's solos are spontaneous - 1) in a case where he's playing a song such as Cities on Flame, (a song that he's played for almost 25 yrs), it sure would be boring to play the same solo over and over again... 2) he forgot (willingly or unwillingly) how to play the solo...Buck's not gonna remember every solo from every song in the BOC catalogue... when BOC covered Slow Down in Reading a few weeks ago, I'll be willing to bet that Buck just threw a solo in with minimal rehearsal time...when you're a guitarist of Buck's caliber, it isn't hard to do...when you know the rhythm and the chord progression, you can pretty much hear the solo in your head before you play it... when you go to a show and say "hmmm, never heard 'em play it like that", its probly cuz they forgot how to play it...someone told me the other day that Michael Stipe from REM brings the lyrics onstage with him cuz he forgets the lyrics...some even have telestrators onstage... perhaps one of the lists' more experienced guitarists could expound on this... ROBO From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 29 14:33:13 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:33:13 EST Subject: Joe B Message-ID: > You have a band that by most accounts had four guys in it that could do or > be the lead man. How in the world with that much talent do you guys get > along for so many years sharting these duties? Was there ever any > discussion as to lets make this guy the one and only front man and stick > with it? Do you think the band would have taken some different directions > if say you were elected to be the front man for all songs? > > Curious. > > AB That's one of the coolest things about BOC, that they had 4 really good singers who could front the band at any time. BOC was pretty much unique in that regard. Also, the tone of the band changes dramatically when each takes a turn singing, the lyrics reflecting the personality of each singer. When the Bs left, it cut everything in half! theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Nov 29 14:43:07 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:43:07 -0500 Subject: Stop the insanity (Please) Message-ID: The following, as always, is IMHO, but . . . This "trend" for folks to post on multiple topics in the same message, IMHO, is not a good idea. I for one (and maybe the only, but I'm gonna say it anyway) find it most annoying. No offenses meant to the folks who have adopted this style, but I find it frustrating to have numerous threads in the same message, some of which I might like to respond to, while others I hope would die a fast but painful death. It's bad enough that we fail change subject headers long after the thread has left the original topic (and I'm as guilty as anybody on this), but to now have 5 or more topics of discussion under the same subject is frustrating - I for one have some things to say about a few of these individual topics, but I'm going to just say the hell with it I'm not going to bother trying to respond to any of it (except for one - see below). I have other things to do associated with my job and while the overall list volume is problematic enough, if I have to wade through numerous topics in each mail message I get to see if there is something interesting to me, then I just might have to unsubscribe. I'm certainly not the first to complain about the signal-to-noise ratio here. I suspect we haven't heard much about this lately because those who complained in the past may have already left the list. O.K., 'nuff said on that (for me anyways). The one other "mini-topic" I wanted to bring up was the fighting/martial-arts thread. I'm a student of the martial arts myself, but IMHO, this has nothing to do with BOC-L (at least the "Strat" thread, which I inadvertenly started has something to do with music). John From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Nov 29 14:41:24 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 19:41:24 GMT Subject: Off Topic: Beatles new singles In-Reply-To: Rich Hamel's message of Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:40:28 -0500 Message-ID: > Well, I thought I'd throw in an opinion on the new Beatles stuff. > I'm a big Beatles fan but I think the new stuff is horrible! A couple of > people have said it reminded them of late Beatles but to me it sounds exactly > like what it is: Late 70's Lennon solo stuff with a little touch up to make > it a "Beatles" effort. Does anyone know the level of effort put in by > the other Beatles? One song sounded like it had a Harrison solo, and the other > definately sounded like Ringo's drums, but overall it seems like they are > just adding to (nearly) completed tracks. I was pretty disappointed. > Yeah - I think all the existing Beatles have had a hand in this. >From what I recall everyone contributed to a pre-existing set of tapes and there has been a fair amount of computer/technical fiddling to make everything fit together. I grew to like them as their music got increasingly wierd. Record Collector this month had a current values listing of original albums with their labels and inserts. I was fascinated to see that although I appear to have several of the relevant inserts the label colours suggest re-issues. This is sortof a surprise after collecting Hawkwind for so long. A band with enough money to continue offering the special inserts even in a re-issue format! And, no, I'm not at all impressed by the dull dirge they've just passed off as a new single. So much for pre-Xmas entertainment. jill ob bizarre image: Yellow Submarine meets Imaginoes ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 29 17:45:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:45:00 PST Subject: Imaginos the Movie - Could Happen Message-ID: BREVARD Adrian R. writes: > > AB's rules of Concert Decorum - I told you people to save that stuff. Trust > me it works, be nice to people and people will be nice to you. [...] >Should this be before, after, or during, the AB-recommended early >trip to the bathroom? >Steve Lets review: Hit the potty on the opening acts last number; rush back and get your spot in front of the stage before they leave. Do not move. See who lines up next to you when BOC is setting up (remember to shoot the breeze with Alan if he's taping the lyrics to Lips in the Hill for Eyes to follow), make small talk with your neighbors, make the deal to bring them a beer if they hold your spot. Before BOC begins to play tell your neighbors you'll buy them a beer on the way back; go to the potty again ready or not, bring back beers for your neighbors and a few unopened ones for your self (note it also helps to get the attention of a waitress, if their roaming the floors, tell them on your signal to bring ginger ale or water if the Oysterboys are a little thirsty on stage), enjoy the show, drink your beer moderately and if you gotta go during the Oysters performance wait until they play Godzilla to do so. After the show remember to have your BOC gift pak ready if you get to meet the band. Beers and some imported stuff. Afterall they work hard to bring their music to us live and we wouldn't want them getting caught up like Jake and Ellwood Blues on a bar tab fiasco. What is the bands offical beer anyway? Ciao A(Mr. Manners)B From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 29 17:50:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:50:00 PST Subject: Joe B Message-ID: > You have a band that by most accounts had four guys in it that could do or > be the lead man. How in the world with that much talent do you guys get > along for so many years sharting these duties? Was there ever any > discussion as to lets make this guy the one and only front man and stick > with it? Do you think the band would have taken some different directions > if say you were elected to be the front man for all songs? > > Curious. > > AB >That's one of the coolest things about BOC, that they had 4 really >good singers who could front the band at any time. BOC was pretty >much unique in that regard. Also, the tone of the band changes >dramatically when each takes a turn singing, the lyrics reflecting >the personality of each singer. When the Bs left, it cut everything >in half! >theo Agree 100% with you Theo. Thats why I'll never waiver on my belief that D&S is a song BOC should never play again. Its not right unless its Al. Hey Eyes can sing and does a lot of my favorites, Bucks not bad but Al's vocals are the greatest. D&S, Vera Gemini on and on and on. Fortunately, there are enough quality Eyes and Buck songs in the catalog to support a 90 min. set. AB From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Nov 29 14:58:54 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:58:54 -0500 Subject: No coffee in a few days Message-ID: >when you go to a show and say "hmmm, never heard 'em play it like that", its >probly cuz they forgot how to play it...someone told me the other day that >Michael Stipe from REM brings the lyrics onstage with him cuz he forgets the >lyrics...some even have telestrators onstage... Well, with Stipe it could just be that "end of the world" song he forgets. I seriously doubt most singers forget lyrics. I remember an inverview with oh, I think it was Bowie but I'm not certain, saying that when he first started out he would have them written and someone noticed and told him to learn them, because it would show in how confident it was when he sang, so he did and it made a huge difference. If you're worried about getting the words right it's much harder to concentrate on SAYING them right. Still, I've seen a few slips. I saw Warren Zevon once start out "Werewolves of London" by singing "I saw a chinese werewolf with a menu in his hands", then come to a dead stop, shake his head, then start over... ... ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Nov 29 15:00:28 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:00:28 -0500 Subject: Imaginos the Movie - Could Happen Message-ID: >Nethawk T's - Yes!!! got mine yesterday, very nice! inside story has it >that there may be a few leftover "Four Winds Bar / Underbelly Online" >T-Shirts if anyone is interested...more on that much much later... YES! please!!! Either one, I definitely want one! ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Nov 29 14:59:25 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:59:25 EST Subject: Imaginos Images... Message-ID: > trying to cut back on costs by only putting 3 screws (in a triangular > fashion) where the neck attaches to the body...he told me to stay away from > these Strats because they will go out of tune all the time...so the Q is, are > there any other known problems with the Strats that I should be aware of? > > ROBO Robo, I had one of that particular vintage, and it was apiece of shit. That's why it took me 20 years to get another one. The prices quoted are pretty much the going rate. If you live in a big city, you can probably get a Strat, new, U.S. made for about 600 bucks. That's rock bottom. Fender doesn't discount too much 'cause Strats are so fuckin popular right now. The Strat Plus is a lot nicer gtr, with locking tuners and, most important, Lace Sensor P/Us. figure to pay about 750 or so. The 70s models are to be avoided for a number of reasons--poor quality finish, cheap hardware, cheap p/us, poor workmanship, etc. The 3-bolt neck is nowhere as stable as the 4 bolt. The only good thing is the 'bullet' truss rod. Makes adjusting the tension a lot easier, but it's ugly! The new ones have corrected this by making the adjustment at the headstock, but with a small allen-wrench socket that's invisible to the naked eye. The new ones, at least mine, are beauts. I love mine alot, but it's frustrating, esp if your used to Pauls. Some times I sound like Robin Trower, at others like robin droppings. I've only had it a month, but I like what I hear so far ted From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Nov 29 15:35:28 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:35:28 -0500 Subject: Imaginos the Movie - Could Happen Message-ID: >Lets review: Hit the potty on the opening acts last number; rush back and >get your spot in front of the stage before they leave. Do not move. See >who lines up next to you when BOC is setting up (remember to shoot the >breeze with Alan if he's taping the lyrics to Lips in the Hill for Eyes to >follow), make small talk with your neighbors, make the deal to bring them a >beer if they hold your spot. Before BOC begins to play tell your neighbors >you'll buy them a beer on the way back; go to the potty again ready or not, >bring back beers for your neighbors and a few unopened ones for your self >(note it also helps to get the attention of a waitress, if their roaming the >floors, tell them on your signal to bring ginger ale or water if the >Oysterboys are a little thirsty on stage), enjoy the show, drink your beer >moderately and if you gotta go during the Oysters performance wait until >they play Godzilla to do so. After the show remember to have your BOC gift >pak ready if you get to meet the band. Beers and some imported stuff. > Afterall they work hard to bring their music to us live and we wouldn't >want them getting caught up like Jake and Ellwood Blues on a bar tab fiasco. > What is the bands offical beer anyway? > >Ciao >A(Mr. Manners)B AB, have you considered bladder catheterization? M From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 29 15:36:52 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:36:52 -0500 Subject: BOC??: Strats rewl! - with a twist Message-ID: Warren Haynes is a great player, and as we also found out when we played with him this past summer at Club Toast in Burlington, Vermont, a great guy, too. A class act all the way. --DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 29 15:38:18 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:38:18 -0500 Subject: Simple thoughts and caffine Message-ID: Re-Imaginos/NYC-- Will come closer to believing it if we see you at another gig, first-- if not your John Hancock on a COC package... By the way... to all those who have indeed ordered Career of Christmas, as soon as the tape the man at the plant in California claims he sent overnight via UPS (but hasn't arrived yet) and arrives for our approval, we can send em out... DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 29 15:37:03 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:37:03 -0500 Subject: A good day for Imaginos Message-ID: Eric is not doing the Seven, Seven, Seven bit-- it's Tony Geranious (aka Jack Secret) the longtime roadie, as directed by Albert. From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Nov 29 15:54:30 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:54:30 -0500 Subject: Imaginos the Movie - Could Happen Message-ID: >BREVARD Adrian R. writes: >> > What is the bands offical beer anyway? > The stuff Joe Bouchard brews? ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 29 19:20:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:20:00 PST Subject: Imaginos the Movie - Could Happen Message-ID: > >Ciao >A(Mr. Manners)B > AB, have you considered bladder catheterization? >M Nope never have. As a little guy without a hollow leg more than three beers or sodas has an exponential effect on the old bladder. One day I would like to see the band without having drank a six pack which is my limit. From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Nov 29 16:33:18 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:33:18 -0500 Subject: Eyes Message-ID: Hokay, I'm new here. I gather that "Eyes" is Eric, referring perhaps either to his mirrored shades or maybe "Harvester of Eyes" (though I thought Meltzer wrote that). Anyways, is this a nickname he uses, or merely one used around here, or what? Is it considered a "negative" or derogatory name? Would it be a good idea to call him that if by chance one day you came across him somewhere? Just wondering.. and it does sound better than "Jesse Python"... ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From gt4722a at PRISM.GATECH.EDU Wed Nov 29 16:41:28 1995 From: gt4722a at PRISM.GATECH.EDU (Brian "AGENT GORDON COLE" Atkins) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:41:28 -0500 Subject: Web page back up! Message-ID: My web site is back up, and on my own machine now! We've got all your favorite Blade Runner bootleg CD stuff, Hawkwind clips, Moorcock book covers, Lynch stuff, and tons of other music and sound files in mpeg and au formats! Go forth: http://blacklodge.gt.ed.net/~brian Some of the stats are broken right now, but otherwise everything should be functioning perfectly. From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Nov 29 20:00:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:00:00 PST Subject: Eyes Message-ID: >Anyways, is this a nickname he uses, or merely one used around here, or >what? Is it considered a "negative" or derogatory name? Would it be a good >idea to call him that if by chance one day you came across him somewhere? >Just wondering.. and it does sound better than "Jesse Python"... As the one person least grounded in reality let me explain Eyes. There was an account of a combat tape made by yours truly (Kiss vs. BOC) where I taped various songs from Kiss Alive I and OYFOOYK. The concept was a rotating stage with each band playing a tune and judges scoring based on audience reaction to the songs. Kiss had a slight lead heading into the strectch when BOC pulled out all the stops. There is a passgae in there where Eyes pulls of his shades and reveals that he had none, "truly a Harvester of Eyes." This little diddy and the nickname then made its way into a short story called the Dream (also authored by me) Eric is referred to as Eyes throughout the story. Should you call Eric Eyes if you meet him in person? Up to you. But I have no idea if he knows the nickname exists (well maybe he does, as when I last saw the band in October I gave him a diskette with the Dream Story on it while the band was on stage. If he ever read it then he is aware of the nickname.) I don't think many people on the list refer to him as such except moi. Other nicknames commonly used for Eyes are Manny Bloom, Fartknocker and Oysterboy. You see why I prefer to use Eyes? A(whats reality?)B ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Nov 29 17:19:50 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:19:50 -0500 Subject: Eyes In-Reply-To: <199511292133.QAA19046@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Nov 29, 95 04:33:18 pm Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > > Hokay, I'm new here. I gather that "Eyes" is Eric, referring perhaps either > to his mirrored shades or maybe "Harvester of Eyes" (though I thought > Meltzer wrote that). > > Anyways, is this a nickname he uses, or merely one used around here, or > what? Is it considered a "negative" or derogatory name? Would it be a good > idea to call him that if by chance one day you came across him somewhere? Whatever you call him, I wouldn't recommend telling him you picked it up on BOC-L. Steve From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Nov 28 04:05:19 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 20:05:19 +1100 Subject: HW: Steve Swindells Message-ID: Wow! I just got a random mail from Steve Swindell's, who just happened to come across my WWW page, and decided to mail me! I'll try to convince him to subscribe to boc-l ... it's not Dave, but it's a start! Paul -- Virus Scan Error Message: Windows '95 found .... remove it (Y/y)? Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Nov 28 03:53:56 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 19:53:56 +1100 Subject: Off: Neat trick I just learned Message-ID: On 27 Nov 95 Johan Edlundh wrote about Re: Off: Neat trick I just learned: > > Yes - really nice one - but what about the COPYWRIGHT VIOLATION? C'mon joe - lighten up! > (it didn't work for me with Netscape v1.0 or v1.1 - if nothing happens for > you, check that you're using Netscape v1.22 (or higher) Actually, it works with Netscape v1.1 (not sure about v1.0 though). It is probably not working because of slow links - it uses a special http command which automatically loads an URL after a delay. It's probably taking longer than the delay to get the pages (as small as they are) Paul -- Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From 70762.141 at COMPUSERVE.COM Wed Nov 29 18:07:09 1995 From: 70762.141 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Richard P. Manny) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:07:09 EST Subject: BOC: Kerrang Biog Message-ID: <> Dear John, True Beatles' fans must be going nuts over the video--disecting it frame by frame. I have no such inclination. I save that level of fanaticism for BOC material. Actually, the BOC mailing list and various WWW sites have been a real boon. I had no idea what was really going on with BOC until I read the various FAQs and websites...what happened to Albert and Joe, the Imaginos saga, etc. My first introduction to BOC was through the 8 track version of Oyfooyk (hope I got that initalism right ). After that I devoured their music and was lucky enough to see them perform live three times. After Agents of Fortune (Rush opened), same time frame in a stadium show with KISS, Johnny and Edgar Winter, 38 special and Bob Seegar , and after Spectres (in the Fox theater in Atlanta--some songs for Some Enchanted Evening were recorded then. I gather BOC wanted more songs from that gig but some idiot in the audience kept firing bottle rockets at the band. Finally, E. Bloom, acting as spokesman for the band, stopped the concert and encouraged anyone standing next to the idiot to cause the idiot to cease and desist. Actually, his wording was a little more explicit than that, but no need to repeat it. Don't know what happened to the idiot with the bottle rockets. Hope he got his comeuppance. With best regard, Richard From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Nov 29 20:30:22 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:30:22 -0500 Subject: BÖC/Weird Al Message-ID: Anyone ever catch the Weird Al Yankovic sequence where he's trying to prove that "the greatest songs of rock and roll were written by ancient astronauts". It was on a sequence of "Al TV" which can be found on his "Compleat Al" tape available at most Blockbusters. After presenting circumstantial evidence in other albums (* see below), he pulls out final damning piece of evidence, Blue =D6yster Cult's "Agents of Fortune". He proceeds to play DFTR, and all sounds okay. Then he plays it backwards, and the following (obviously faked) is heard over the backwards noises: "Hello. We'd like to take this opportunity to thank all of the ancient astronauts who helped us on this album. Thank you. Oh, thank you. Thanks a lot. Thank you... we couldn't have done it without you. thank you, thank you " (repeat thank yous until fade)... =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D (if anyone's interested, here is the other circumstantial evidence he= presented) (Fleetwood Mac's "Rumors" cover matches a starchart, Beatles "White Album" says "Thanks Bob" on the back, and Bob was a famous ancient astronaut, Pink Floyd's "Umma Gumma" really means "we're running out of ideas for good songs, help us", and claiming that Led Zepplin's "Houses of the Holy" looks like a flying saucer when you put a scoop of cottage chese on the center) Roger Shrubstaff Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Nov 29 21:05:39 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 21:05:39 -0500 Subject: No coffee in a few days Message-ID: Yeah, well-I saw Robert Plant forget the words to Whole Lotta Love! He had to whirl around and look at the teleprompter... Hey, the problem is not the guy forgetting the lyrics, it's the audience knowin' em too well! :-) In clubs-- or the good old daze of low-fi concert concert sound-- you never hear/heard 'em anyway! Most people should have this problem...have having written such a huge body of work... but the thing is, sometimes you're looking at something or someone in the crowd, or thinking of your laundry list...Fewer people probably notice when someone plays a wrong note or plays a fill differently.... it may only be the lyrics that are supposed to be written in stone... Bob Dylan, on the other hand, is always changing things up... and not just melodies or arrangements... why can't you revise later on? And if you want to hear it like the record, you should probably just stay home and listen to the record! Sometimes, the only time something comes out a particular way IS on the record-- it never happened before and it'll never happen again! That's the magic.. Or sometimes one's focus goes astray... But hey, if most of you were concentrating on YOUR work, you wouldn't be reading this right now! From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Wed Nov 29 20:27:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:27:00 -0500 Subject: Buncha stuff Message-ID: First off- The idea of multiple posts. Well I for one love it. Time is a rare thing for Torgo these days, and it seems like the ONLY WAY I can get a word in edgewise these days is to "save up" a buncha thoughts, let 'em stew around in the cranium for a moment or two, and then deliver 'em back to the list in a big stinkin' heap. I know a few of you disagree with this rubbish, but since there has been no "official" vote on the subject, I'm gonna stick with this format for a while. Guitars- As Rich Cummings (MAN you NEED a handle!) can testify, old Torgo doesn't know a strat from a Red Special (any Queen fans catch this). All Torgo knows is Buck's geetar playin' makes his scalp itch and his muscles twitch, and this is not a bad thing. Imaginos THE MOVIE- I think Stanley Kubrick would have been great for this, lots of surreal images of surreal images of surreal images and all that. Someone told me he was dead, anyone know? I don't think Stanley ever used "god poundin' heavy tunes" to quote wolf, but it would be great. If you are gonna make a movie about Imaginos though, the music has to come first. I remember going to see "heavy Metal" at the theaters, and coming out going, "Great flick, but I couldn't hear the bloody music!" The music was dubbed in just too stinkin' low key. I can understand not wanting to drown out dialogue and all, but as long as no ones yakkin' CRANK THE BOC!! As for the directory- GREAT JOB ALL THOSE WHO HELPED! My address was missing though, just for the record (even though it shifts randomly at times) it is: robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com Rich- YOU DO know what I look like, don't you? Man, don't brag about such a thing! That's similar to saying something like, "I ate a WHOLE fist full of earthworms and I didn't die!" AB- RAC does not bite, unless I take his coffee away. Be Seeing You! Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Nov 29 21:44:01 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 21:44:01 -0500 Subject: No coffee in a few days Message-ID: >But hey, if most of you were concentrating on YOUR work, you wouldn't be reading this right now! > It's (slapping monitor) compiling, honest! Just picked up the Eponymous CD, got a couple of (probably inane) questions... That's a BOC T-shirt you're wearing in the photo, right? It looks like a few of them, anyways. What's Al wearing? I can make out "FHO" or "EHO", and "AN" coming down, and "ON TH..." in reverse letters below that, What is the significance of "the 4th of November" in "BfTI"? It (probably coincidence) has been awhile since I was there, but I belive it is one of the republic of Panama's independence days (from Colombia)... Roger Shrubstaff Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM Wed Nov 29 23:06:36 1995 From: skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM (Skip Galvin) Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:06:36 -0800 Subject: Yngwie "J" In-Reply-To: <53F9B805135@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: theo writes- " RB is very classical sounding, a la Schenker, both of whom, regretably, inspired the likes of Yngwie et al. His album with Alcatrazz, No Parole from Rock n' Roll, is a really good album. Not just a string of blinding leads, but 'songs' to show his strat talents. From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Nov 30 05:21:10 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:21:10 +0000 Subject: e-mail friendly directory In-Reply-To: <9511291729.AA22341@phinet.sb.com> Message-ID: Hey dude, Thanks for the e-mail directory. However, the e-mail address you have for me is out of date. I'm now at D.K.Hardman at city.ac.uk Cheers! David Hardman From david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK Thu Nov 30 06:21:04 1995 From: david at MASTMOOR.DEMON.CO.UK (David Jones) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:21:04 GMT Subject: HW:Chords and Stuff Message-ID: Is anybody out there working out chord progressions or tabs for Hawkwind material ? I just started playing keyboard again (I stopped playing bass about 10 years ago) and I seem to developed tin ears in the meantime - I can work out some of the older blanga stuff but the electronic spacey stuff I just cannot get a grip on at all. Im intersted in anything though So if anyone has already worked out any tracks I'd appreciate the help. I dont know if there would be much interest in this on the list generally so go to private e-mail if you want. Thanks very much for any help. David (david at mastmoor.demon.co.uk) From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Thu Nov 30 07:57:15 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:57:15 EST Subject: Multiple Topics & Stuff Message-ID: The doctor waxes poetic: 1. As much as I respect John (and John, I really do), I have to vote for multiple topics. For someone like me in digest mode, it is easier for me to send one message with all my thoughts in it, since I've read all of the previous days' messages. So, on to the next subject. 2. Bert writes: >>>stuff deleted<<< I dunno, I always think of Dr. Bob from the Muppets Veterinarian's Hospital fame... :-) >>>stuff deleted<<< So, how is Ernie doing these days, Bert? 3. Rudy writes about Hendrix: >>>stuff deleted<<< People couldn't keep up with Jimi because they lacked his "vision," >>>stuff deleted<<< They also lacked his variety of drugs. 4. An observation here: Recently, I've seen way too many smiley faces, IMHOs, and other politically correct stuff here. Now class, we musn't misbehave or Dr. Bob will make you sit on your CPU and write on the wall 100 times "I will not use smileys in BOC-L, or I will go straight to hell." 5. Back to #1, an additional thought about multiple topics: When you have a list that is so damn specific, there is only so much you can talk about without repeating yourself. So, I personally don't mind all the off-topic stuff because just think how boring things would be if every message had to focus solely on BOC. As new people join up, there is naturally going to be a repetition of topics. I look at it as new opportunities for the doctor to strike. -Dr. Bob (There are 2 kinds of sports--MOTORsports and minor sports) rkohl at state.de.us From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Nov 30 08:22:17 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:22:17 +0000 Subject: Booze (was Imaginos the movie) In-Reply-To: <199511292054.PAA18430@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 1995, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >BREVARD Adrian R. writes: > >> > > > What is the bands offical beer anyway? > > > > The stuff Joe Bouchard brews? > Is it true that BOC used to insist on having every type of spirits available to them after their shows? I've seen this more than once in the music papers, but find it hard to believe that BOC were ever heavy boozers as they seem too together. Dave From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 30 08:23:55 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:23:55 EST Subject: Yngwie "J" Message-ID: > His album with Alcatrazz, No Parole from Rock n' Roll, is a really good > album. Not just a string of blinding leads, but 'songs' to show his > strat talents. Didn't Steve Vai play on that record? I know he did one record with them, and it wasn't half bad. (Can't believe I'm saying something good about him!) theo From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Nov 30 08:26:58 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:26:58 +0000 Subject: Multiple Topics & Stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Robert Kohl wrote: > The doctor waxes poetic: > > 1. As much as I respect John (and John, I really do), I have to vote for > multiple topics. For someone like me in digest mode, it is easier for me to > send one message with all my thoughts in it, since I've read all of the > previous days' messages. So, on to the next subject. I'm with John on this one. If the topic changes or if it goes off-topic, then it's no big deal to change the header of the e-mail. If you're replying to a digest and including various things, then why not just flag this by adding "(various)" to your header. As someone who gets an inordinately large amount of mail it can be annoying to open something you think you want to read, only to find it's not. Dave From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Nov 30 08:33:39 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:33:39 -0500 Subject: A conversation with Bolle Message-ID: Ah, it's been too long since I've had a large phone bill - meaning I haven't talked to Bolle (and if anyone says, "Who's Bolle?" go read the FAQ) so we chatted for over an hour last night. Here are some various bits of information which might be of interest to some BOC fans: Morning Final #13 is currently "in progress" - it will include the next installment of the Les Braunstein interview. Also, Bolle may be holding a fanclub auction in either MF 13 or 14. Bolle hasn't been able to see all the cool BOC web pages yet, as he has a rather archaic (state of the art from 1986) computer at the moment. Rumor has it that Buck may release some very cool audio tracks in the future. Stay tuned for further details. A new BOC release is very likely for 1996, but probably not on a major label. Several tracks (4 or 5) are essentially complete - don't ask me which ones as I didn't ask. But Bolle also indicated that there are probably 3 other songs that are being worked for it currently. And a few additional tracks are probably yet to be written. Bolle basically confirmed my belief about the release of BOC rarities in the future by Sony may be tied to the success of WotT. The number he quoted was 100,000 that had to be sold within some timefram (don't know what the timeframe is). So, I wish to repeat to all of you who hope that future BOC tracks (SFG stuff, tracks worked up but left off albums, etc.) are released -- go out and buy WotT: if not for yourself, then get it as a Christmas present for a friend or relative. Finally, as a public service to Bolle, I'll mention two items that he is looking for. If anyone knows where to get them, or has a copy that they'd be willing to trade with him, contact him at the fanclub address. The two items are: 1. Big Country 7" vinyl single - don't know what the A-side is, but the B-side is presumably a cover of "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" 2. Cover of "ME-262" done by the band, The Tommyknockers. This may be on a punk compilation entitled, "In Celebration of the Death of Vinyl" John From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Nov 30 08:59:48 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:59:48 -0500 Subject: Multiple Topics & Stuff Message-ID: >The doctor waxes poetic: > >I dunno, I always think of Dr. Bob from the Muppets Veterinarian's Hospital >fame... :-) >>>>stuff deleted<<< >So, how is Ernie doing these days, Bert? weren't against my principles> How about "Imaginos... the movie" done with muppets! ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Nov 30 09:05:41 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:05:41 -0500 Subject: Booze (was Imaginos the movie) In-Reply-To: from "Hardman DK" at Nov 30, 95 01:22:17 pm Message-ID: Hardman DK writes: > > Is it true that BOC used to insist on having every type of spirits > available to them after their shows? I've seen this more than once in the > music papers, but find it hard to believe that BOC were ever heavy > boozers as they seem too together. This doesn't pertain to BOC directly, but... I remember reading an article in our paper several years ago (I thought it was locally written, but I suppose they might have been taken off the wire). It was written by a guy who had worked backstage at a big concert stadium, and what the bands behaved like. There was a whole section devoted to food and drink. Practically all the bands ordered loads of junk food, along with cases of beer and whiskey... sometimes more exotic stuff. The only exception was Megadeth, who ordered fresh-squeezed fruit juices and mineral water. I found that sort of amusing. Steve From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Nov 30 09:08:37 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:08:37 -0500 Subject: Arthur Levy's liner notes Message-ID: In the liner notes on both "CoE-tmy" and "WotT", mr. Levy states that SEE was intended to make up for "sins of omission/comission" of OYFOOYK. As near as I can tell, not counting covers of stuff by other bands, only one song on SEE ("Astronomy") was released when OYFOOYK was released. While it is a good song, I hardly see how this would count as "sins of omission" Anyone have more info on this? ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Nov 30 09:12:42 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:12:42 -0500 Subject: Multiple Topics & Stuff Message-ID: Dr. Bob writes: >1. As much as I respect John (and John, I really do), I have to vote for multiple topics. Well, you're entitled to your opinion whether you respect me or not -- I'm not offended by people disagreeing with me. >4. An observation here: Recently, I've seen way too many smiley faces, IMHOs, and other politically correct stuff here. Now class, we musn't misbehave or Dr. Bob will make you sit on your CPU and write on the wall 100 times "I will not use smileys in BOC-L, or I will go straight to hell." As as big of an offender of that, well I will give my opinions on the subject -- I use smiley 'cuz I *LIKE* to use smileys, and if the damn things offend anyone, well too fucking bad - is that politically incorrect for you all? ;-) (so there) But really, I think of them as a good tool when writing/e-mail becomes a mode of conversation. Quite frankly, I'm pretty gullible and thick-headed and often don't catch what people really mean (e.g. sarcasm) when they just write it. If I was having a face to face conversation (or even a phone conversation for that matter where I can hear variations in the tone of one's voice), I'd better understand that. So, for me, smiley's serve a useful function. Also, it's just not in my nature to be pissing people off, so if I think I've written something that might be misconstrued, I'll use a smiley. Maybe most of you get my meaning without it there, but I like to be sure. Lastly, I've been using "IMHO" a bit these days because -- well, due to the volume I send out on this list, and due to the fact that I've acquired a certain wealth of knowlege on BOC in my efforts to do the FAQ, I may have give the impression to some on this list that I'm some sort of "authority" here. Well, I'm not - I'm just another random BOC fan who likes to talk about stuff, and has various tastes in music. And, I had enough time on my hands (at least I did at the time) to undertake the project (which, I did as much for my own personal reason, that being it allowed me to learn alot more about my favorite band). It has nothing to do with being "politically correct" -- I HATE the whole idea of being PC. However, I do believe in being reasonably polite, and I try to make what I have to say as clear as possible (sometimes perhaps those two things are mutually exclusive, but that' is life). >5. Back to #1, an additional thought about multiple topics: When you have a list that is so damn specific, there is only so much you can talk about without repeating yourself. Well, this is true -- but I think some would agree with me that perhaps if there's nothing to say about BOC/Hawkwind (or related) matters, than BOC-L members should not just talk about other topics for the sake of talking. I think repeating stuff is only needed to fill in a new member on what has happened - but only a summary - we don't need to regurgitate an entire thread over and over (and that was also a motiviation for the FAQ). But, if there's no new stuff on the list bands to talk about, then we don't need to all chime in on our opinions of other topics, just to keep the list volume at 50 messages a day. O.K., 'nuff said by me. John From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Nov 30 09:25:04 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:25:04 -0500 Subject: Imaginos the Movie - Then read the topic headers (it do In-Reply-To: <5430797715F@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Nov 29, 95 01:32:15 pm Message-ID: Ted O. Jackson writes: > > I just picked up a near-mint copy of 'Spectres' vinyl for 2 bucks. > Not a cut-out, and with orig. chronos sleve and chronos on label. > Too much. I've been listening to this the last 2 days, and it makes > me all the more sad that Joe and Al are gone from BOC. That album > has them all over it. Also, Joe seems to get ignored on BOC-L, and > it shouldn't be so. He's a great bass player and vocalist, and > contributed some excellent songwriting. I believe it can still be > BOC with the 3 remaining, but the band is immeasurably better with > the killer Bs. For those of you who don't know, Billy Hilfiger (hope I spelled that right) of the Brain Surgeons also used to be the guitarist for Joe Bouchard's "Cult Brothers" project. I had a chance to talk to Billy recently, which I'll tell you more about, if I can ever find a few spare hours to finish up my "Backstage with the Brain Surgeons" article. :-) Anyway, according to Billy, Joe is talking about doing some recording with the Cult Brothers, including some new (!) songs. Apparently, the Cult Bros had enough material at one time to cut a CD, but the project never got off the ground. Let's hope that Al's success with the Brain Surgeons inspires Joe to give it another shot. As a last note - Joe may get ignored on BOC-L these days. It wasn't always so. Steve From nexus at PANIX.COM Thu Nov 30 09:37:47 1995 From: nexus at PANIX.COM (Jeff Berry) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:37:47 -0500 Subject: Booze (was Imaginos the movie) In-Reply-To: <199511301405.JAA11695@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Nov 30, 95 09:05:41 am Message-ID: >I remember reading an article in our paper several years ago (I >thought it was locally written, but I suppose they might have been >taken off the wire). It was written by a guy who had worked backstage >at a big concert stadium, and what the bands behaved like. There was >a whole section devoted to food and drink. Practically all the bands >ordered loads of junk food, along with cases of beer and whiskey... >sometimes more exotic stuff. The only exception was Megadeth, who >ordered fresh-squeezed fruit juices and mineral water. I found that >sort of amusing. >Steve But not all that surprising ... as I recall Dave Mustaine was kicked out of Metallica for alcohol problems, and now he and most of the rest of the band Megadeath are recovering alcoholics - ie. totally abstemious. At one point a few years back they declined a tour because it was sponsored by one of the beer companies, and Dave explained that they couldn't see their way clear to touring on booze money given their problems. JB From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Nov 30 09:47:56 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:47:56 -0500 Subject: Multiple Topics & Stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Robert Kohl wrote: > 3. Rudy writes about Hendrix: > >>>stuff deleted<<< > People couldn't keep up with Jimi because they lacked his "vision," > >>>stuff deleted<<< > They also lacked his variety of drugs. Are you always this full of shit, Dr. Troll? Or have we caught you on a gala day? > 4. An observation here: Recently, I've seen way too many smiley faces, > IMHOs, and other politically correct stuff here. Now class, we musn't > misbehave or Dr. Bob will make you sit on your CPU and write on the wall 100 > times "I will not use smileys in BOC-L, or I will go straight to hell." Deal with it, and get over it. I'm getting sick of your own brand of political correctness that dictates that all people should post according to your preferred style. If people want to insert smileys, IMHO's, or whatever, then that's their business. Tough luck if it brings a tear to your eye. People normally put those things into postings out of commonsense and pragmatics: they realise the inflection bandwidth of e-mail is limited, and so if a simple "IMHO" can avoid touching off a flame war, then it has served its purpose well. It is a sad fact that not everyone is as "enlightened" as you, and misunderstandings easily creep into e-mail. The abrasive posting style you advocate is a sure-fire way to lower the signal to noise ratio of this (or any) list. If you don't like this immutable truth of the ages, then you can cheerfully fuck off and die. > 5. Back to #1, an additional thought about multiple topics: When you have a > list that is so damn specific, there is only so much you can talk about > without repeating yourself. So, I personally don't mind all the off-topic > stuff because just think how boring things would be if every message had to > focus solely on BOC. As new people join up, there is naturally going to be a > repetition of topics. I look at it as new opportunities for the doctor to > strike. Yeah, this last sentence just about sums it up. If you are so bored, then join more lists, or hang out in alt.flame (unless you already do). Topicality isn't just a random attribute of a list; it's there for a reason. Think hard enough and you might figure it out. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _Superseeder_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Thu Nov 30 10:32:28 1995 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:32:28 -0800 Subject: Imaginos with Muppets In-Reply-To: <199511301359.IAA16978@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Nov 30, 95 08:59:48 am Message-ID: Andrew Apold wrote: > How about "Imaginos... the movie" done with muppets! Your master... He's a human... -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome "There is an old proverb that says whatever you want it to say" - whoever... From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Nov 30 10:59:33 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:59:33 -0500 Subject: Imaginos the Movie - Then read the topic headers (it do Message-ID: Steve writes: >As a last note - Joe may get ignored on BOC-L these days. It wasn't always so. Well, Joe's playing is a big influence on me (as I try to become better acquainted with my bass guitar), and I love most of his songs. My guess is that there is less focus on Joe these days 'cuz 1) no-one knows what he's up to musically (or he isn't doing much musically) and 2) his older brother is not only doing much musically, but also an active list member. John From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Nov 30 11:04:03 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:04:03 -0500 Subject: Imaginos with Muppets Message-ID: >Andrew Apold wrote: >> How about "Imaginos... the movie" done with muppets! > >Your master... He's a human... > I can already see their aquatic setting with a chorus of muppet oysters "we understand, we understand, we understand...." The Count sings "seven seven seven..." (and we can tie him into 'Nosferatu') left alone by two good friends... (Statler and Adorf) (I know the below isn't Imaginos, but hey, why stop there... Muppetlabs technology with Dr. Bunsen Honeydew and his faithful assistant Beaker, who becomes a flaming telepath... "Expermints that failed too many times... Transformations that were too hard to find..." A muppet Harvester of Eyes goes around pulling the eyes off all the muppets he finds... Sir Rastus "fozzie" Bear... ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Nov 30 11:03:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:03:00 GMT Subject: Off Topic: julian cope/kraut rock Message-ID: In-Reply-To: This Krautrocksampler sounded interesting, so I popped into Virgin this lunchtime and bought a copy - seven pounds ninety-nine for a slim(ish) paperback, but (a) I don't suppose it's exactly mass-market and (b) you get lots of cool colour reproductions of album covers. The book itself consists of a brief histroy of Krautrock, followed by Cope's (very sound, as far as my knowledge goes) list of 50 top Krautrock albums, with a review of each. I've not read the whole thing by any means, but it's written with obvious intelligence and an infectious enthusiasm for the topic, and I'd say it's a good reference and an excellent introduction. - Andy ObArtExhibit: Damien Hirst - "Mother and Child Divided" From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Nov 30 11:07:45 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:07:45 -0500 Subject: Multiple Topics & Stuff Message-ID: I vote for multiple posts. It makes it easier to ignore people if they put all their musings in one easily delatable post Martyn From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Nov 30 11:22:31 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:22:31 -0500 Subject: Imaginos with Muppets In-Reply-To: <199511301532.HAA07725@desiree.teleport.com> from "Kevin Haskel Rubin" at Nov 30, 95 07:32:28 am Message-ID: Kevin Haskel Rubin writes: > > Andrew Apold wrote: > > How about "Imaginos... the movie" done with muppets! > > Your master... He's a human... Master Master Master of the muppets He's pulling your strings Sorry, the devil made me write that. So, I'll add a line of Pearlman lyrics that most of you probably haven't heard, to try and crowbar some topicality into this post. It rained so hard, said Injun Joe (he knows everything, you know) That it should wash The face of the Earth And make us leave again - from Gil Blanco County as performed by The Imaginos Band Mr. Hardman was correct in his analysis - it's a crime that this song was left off of Imaginos. Steve From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Nov 30 11:19:52 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:19:52 -0500 Subject: Multiple Topics & Stuff Message-ID: >If you don't like this immutable truth of the ages, then you can cheerfully >fuck off and die. Tsk tsk. Such language. I hope your day gets better for you, Paul. Martyn From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Nov 30 11:22:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:22:00 GMT Subject: Multiple Topics & Stuff Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Bob Kohl irritatingly says > 5. Back to #1, an additional thought about multiple topics: When you > have a > list that is so damn specific, there is only so much you can talk about > without repeating yourself. So, I personally don't mind all the > off-topic > stuff because just think how boring things would be if every message > had to > focus solely on BOC. As new people join up, there is naturally going > to be a > repetition of topics. I look at it as new opportunities for the doctor > to > strike. We've never had much of a problem until recently; with both bands having 25+ years of history, and multiple spin-offs and related bands, there's bookloads of stuff to be written. But I'm getting fucking fed up with irrelevant threads about which guitar widget is best, musicians that (whatever their other merits) have bog-all to do with either BOC or Hawkwind, comics, and Adrian Brevard's urinary problems. Can we try to stay more or less on topic, and limit our numbers of posts? Please? Oh, and if you want to raise awareness of an off-topic item, then the way we do it is with an "Ob" at the end of the mssage. That way it doesn't intrude. Oh, and we've several members with doctorates and other higher degrees. They don't feel the need to flaunt their qualifications. Winge complete. - Andy From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Nov 30 11:41:35 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:41:35 +0000 Subject: No coffee in a few days In-Reply-To: <951129141218_61229331@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Nov 1995, Rob Maerz wrote: > In a message dated 95-11-29 10:05:48 EST, you write: > > >ObBOC: One thing I've always liked about Buck's guitar work is that it that, > >like Blackmore, he doesn't just play pentatonic inspired guitar runs (like I > >do). Blackmore is very classically inspired. Buck seems fairly jazz > inspired. > > I've asked Buck this Q several times...he says that the Beach Boys are a > definate influence, I will have to root the chat logs to see whom he says are The Beach Boys? Are you sure about this? Apparently Buck does have quite a sense of humour.... "I ain't playin' no surf music. I'm gonna play some *heavy* music...." Dave From bedens at INTELLINET.COM Thu Nov 30 10:48:40 1995 From: bedens at INTELLINET.COM (Billion Dollar Baby) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:48:40 -0500 Subject: Imaginos with Muppets Message-ID: At 11:04 AM 11/30/95 -0500, you wrote: >>Andrew Apold wrote: >>> How about "Imaginos... the movie" done with muppets! >>Your master... He's a human... >I can already see their aquatic setting with a chorus of muppet oysters >"we understand, we understand, we understand...." On behalf of everyone, I'd like to apologize for bringing The Muppets into the Imaginos discussion... I had _NO_ idea it would go this far/bad... :-) Later... Bert "Gee, never heard 'Where is Ernie' before!" Edens :) +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bert Edens - bedens at intellinet.com | | http://www.intellinet.com/~bedens/home.html | +------------------------------------------------------------+ | "And I laugh to myself at the men and the ladies | | Who never conceived of us billion dollar babies. | | - Alice Cooper "Billion Dollar Babies" | +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Are you a baseball statistic nut? Ask me about Retrosheet! | +------------------------------------------------------------+ From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Nov 30 11:49:07 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:49:07 -0500 Subject: HW for sale: the Goldmine Report Message-ID: Saw several delectable HW items for sale in the recent issue of Goldmine (which I unfortunately do not have with me). - One fellow is selling a copy of the Mike Moorcock's "Deep Fix" LP for only $35! As I recall, I think he listed it in M- condition. I thought these were going for $50+ ? (Perhaps he doesn't know what its worth? Alternately, are they worth less since being re-issued on CD?) - Another company is selling several HW picture disks, including "Zones", the first album "Hawkwind", and all three of the "Anthology" records. Prices are all at $25 each. The Anthology records are the coolest picture disks I own (although I didn't pay near this much). The Zones is also pretty cool looking. Anybody wants any info, E-me and I can probably give you the names and phone numbers later this evening. Captain Cloud ObDisappointment: continued delay of Nick Mason's PF history book. From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Nov 30 14:50:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:50:00 PST Subject: Multiple Topics Postings Message-ID: Goodness have I started something again. Wait let me go fill my cup of coffee. Ok I'm back. Directory Business - Thanks Charles for the hard work and I hoppe everyone else out there in BOC/HW land appreciate your efforts too. As for the corrections and the couple of new additions I will load them into my copy of the directory today. I will also post the directory as an attchment in Word 6.0 and as a text file. Please contact me directly if you have any problems with the attachments. I'm not technically well versed but I can perhaps get some talent involved that can help meet special needs. Also it would be nice if people change or modifed the subject line to see that a new subject is being discussed. Multiple Topic Postings (Yes or No) - Hey I think I started this trend somewhat (or maybe I'm flashing back to the 70's agian) but I think something needs to be said on this subject. Specifically to John Swartz. I read your concerns big guy and put a little something in an "Inner Circle Post" to you about it. I feel personnaly responsible for your feeelings on this issue and just wanted to address some of your concerns. As a rambling rambler I have been responsible for a lot of noise and excess traffic. While I prefer posting like this I will endeavor to at least not include so much rambling in my posts. I would hate to see you leave the list because of these posts as I have always respected your opinions, fine postings and dedicated work on the FAQ. You help make this service what it is by providing the FAQ services and providing information when requested by new subscribers. If you choose to leave then I feel the list will lose a resource almost as valuable as having Al here. Hey those are my feelings but do what you think is best. Martyn (?) points out that hey if anything its a lot easier to delete stuff like that. Other people have no choice but to post this way as they are in digest mode. Me? I'll try and do my part by keeping the noise down. Recent Ironic Post - I saw a post today that I found somewhat ironic. No need to go into specifics but when you stop and think about it posts like that make the directory a good idea. Joe Bouchard - Boy it would really be nice to have JB stop by Al's and spend a day or two posting to the list. Here is a truly great bass player that we haven't talked about much lately and it would be wonderful to hear from him. Al can you twist little brothers arm for a day or two? BOC and Booze - Well no one seems to know what beverage the band really prefers to drink, so I guess if I'm ever in a position to buy the guys a round I'll learn then. Hopefully the club/bar or whatever will have what they like in stock. Funny looking at how well preserved Eyes and Buck appear they don't look like big drinkers to me. Perhaps they too order fresh fruit and mineral water after concerts. AB From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Nov 30 11:54:59 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:54:59 +0000 Subject: A conversation with Bolle In-Reply-To: <199511301333.IAA23041@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: > A new BOC release is very likely for 1996, but probably not on a major > label. Several tracks (4 or 5) are essentially complete - don't ask > me which ones as I didn't ask. But Bolle also indicated that there > are probably 3 other songs that are being worked for it currently. And > a few additional tracks are probably yet to be written. > When I saw Bolle he played me the following tracks which I assumed were completed studio versions: I'd Like to See You in Black The Power Underneath Despair Still Burnin' Harvest Moon Actually, Bolle's Harvest Moon recording was taken from a US radio station broadcast, in which an interviewer was talking to someone associated with the band who happened to have the track with him. I can't recall the guy's name. Anyway, this was the first time that any of the new BOC material had been heard on the radio. Although some of the folks here have been critical of the lyrical content of the first two songs in the above list, it has to be said that they do rock. And Harvest Moon is fab. Er, I mean it "rules" and other rock-speakisms. Dave "still young at heart" Hardman From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Nov 30 12:00:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:00:00 GMT Subject: No coffee in a few days Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > The Beach Boys? Are you sure about this? Apparently Buck does have quite > a sense of humour.... > > "I ain't playin' no surf music. I'm gonna play some *heavy* music...." > Dave Isn't that a quote from Hendrix? - Andy From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Thu Nov 30 12:08:08 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:08:08 -0500 Subject: HW Tour Books: how available are they? Message-ID: Being a True Kollector of all things Hawkwind, I've picked up about half of the Tour Books shown in the "Collectors Guide". The obvious implication is that I cannot rest until I have all of them. My question is probably directed more towards the UK contingent, but is open to any with info. How common are the old HW Tour Books? Do they show up pretty regularly at record shows or in Record Collector? If so, which ones are more common, and what prices should one expect to pay? Only twice have I ever seen HW tour books come up for sale in Goldmine, and one of those is a company in England that regularly advertises in RC. The US prices I have seen are typically $20-25 each for the early eighties books, with $30-40 for "Choose Your Masques". Do HW tour books from the early seventies ever surface? Finally, is there anybody out there interested in parting with any HW tour books that I may not have yet? All responses public & private are appreciated. Captain Cloud cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM Thu Nov 30 12:06:19 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SB.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:06:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: London gig Message-ID: Hi. wrt the gig at the Forum. This is a good chance for me to meet a few fellow BOC-L'ers and as I am going to the gig on my own, it would be great to meet up with people for a few beers. Is there a pub near the venue that anyone knows the name of? Is anyone going up early to try and get into the sound check? How will we recognise each other? There is less than 2 weeks to go, and I will not be on line the week of the gig as I'm off work for a week. So, if anyone has any ideas or sugggestions I'm open to them. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Thu Nov 30 12:18:27 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:18:27 +0000 Subject: Off Topic: julian cope/kraut rock -Reply Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've not read the whole thing by any means, but it's written with obvious intelligence and an infectious enthusiasm for the topic, and I'd say it's a good reference and an excellent introduction. - Andy <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< according to a couple of women who drink down the hermit's cave, copey visits a friend of theirs who lives somewhere near the top of (i think - my memory of camberwell is fast receding) grove lane: more to the point visits his kraut rock record collection, so keep your eyes peeled for a fried loon in a funny hat driving a volvo andy :-) yuri obLp: cosmic dialogues - the mooseheart faith interstellar groove band if anyone out there has the slightest interest in psychedelic modulations, get this record, somewhere in space, angels are singing along to this From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Nov 30 15:20:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:20:00 PST Subject: Imaginos with Muppets - Got a Kick Out of It Message-ID: >>> How about "Imaginos... the movie" done with muppets! >>Your master... He's a human... >I can already see their aquatic setting with a chorus of muppet oysters >"we understand, we understand, we understand...." >On behalf of everyone, I'd like to apologize for bringing The Muppets into >the Imaginos discussion... I had _NO_ idea it would go this far/bad... :-) >Later... > Bert "Gee, never heard 'Where is Ernie' before!" Edens I got a kick out of it. AB From Rocker22 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 30 12:28:51 1995 From: Rocker22 at AOL.COM (Rocker22 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:28:51 -0500 Subject: Multiple Topics & Stuff Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-30 08:19:09 EST, Dr. Bob writes: > Now class, we musn't >misbehave or Dr. Bob will make you sit on your CPU and write on the wall 100 >times "I will not use smileys in BOC-L, or I will go straight to hell." Guess I'm gonna end up there... :-) R. Sorry, I couldn't resist! From cis4 at ABER.AC.UK Thu Nov 30 12:38:54 1995 From: cis4 at ABER.AC.UK (Imaginos) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:38:54 +0000 Subject: Bass lines? Message-ID: Talking about the lack of JB, I've noticed a lack of Bass lines too. Being a lazy bastard I'm naver able to sit down & listen to tracks to pick out Bass bits (it doesn't help that I'm currently learning White Zombie, & Slayer parts for the band I'm involved with). Does anybody know where there are any BOC basslines (on the net or elsewhere)? I keep trying FTP nevada, but I can't get on, whether this is due to timing , or my server I don't know. Cheers From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Nov 30 15:40:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:40:00 PST Subject: A conversation with Bolle - WoTT Sales Expectations are out of line. Message-ID: >From John Swartz >Rumor has it that Buck may release some very cool audio tracks in the >future. Stay tuned for further details. Twould be neat if it happens. >A new BOC release is very likely for 1996, but probably not on a major >label. Several tracks (4 or 5) are essentially complete - don't ask >me which ones as I didn't ask. But Bolle also indicated that there >are probably 3 other songs that are being worked for it currently. And >a few additional tracks are probably yet to be written. Maybe four or five is enough. Though I don't know what they are called or how they are classified I have seen several CD's out there having 4-5 tracks on them. Just bring it on already Oysterboys. >Bolle basically confirmed my belief about the release of BOC rarities >in the future by Sony may be tied to the success of WotT. The number >he quoted was 100,000 that had to be sold within some timefram (don't >know what the timeframe is). So, I wish to repeat to all of you who >hope that future BOC tracks (SFG stuff, tracks worked up but left off >albums, etc.) are released -- go out and buy WotT: if not for yourself, >then get it as a Christmas present for a friend or relative. This dosen't sound too promising. You have to question Sony's marketing sense. I bought my copy of WoTT and enjoy it, but a 100,000 copies? Why the hell did they throw 3 pak out there escpecially after WoTT had been on the shelves for less than a month? That offering has to dig into the potential sales of WoTT. Do they expect new fans to buy both? How much money do they truly think is out there? This is absurd. I'm sure WoTT has probably sold in pretty good numbers but that is a ludicrous expectation. Better for WoTT not to meet Sony's targets and convince them to sell the rare stuff to someone else (with reasonable expectations) for publishing. Damn this pisses me off. BTW did Bolle have any details into current WoTT or 3 Pak sales numbers? >Finally, as a public service to Bolle, I'll mention two items that he is >looking for. If anyone knows where to get them, or has a copy that they'd >be willing to trade with him, contact him at the fanclub address. The >two items are: >1. Big Country 7" vinyl single - don't know what the A-side is, but >the B-side is presumably a cover of "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" >2. Cover of "ME-262" done by the band, The Tommyknockers. This may be >on a punk compilation entitled, "In Celebration of the Death of Vinyl" Never heard of #1, but I think I've seen item 2 here. Will check again to make sure. >John AB From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Nov 30 12:44:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:44:00 GMT Subject: BOC: London gig Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9511301706.AA01298 at phinet.sb.com> How about the Bull & Gate, just before you get to the Forum (if you've come by tube)? Seven o'clock-ish? (They have a small venue at the back - so not that bar, the main bar, to the right - but we can check it out if BOC are crap :). I expect I'll recognise some (ie those that went to Hawkwind last month :). Nethawks or Surgeons tees if you have them... I'll wear my (by now de rigueur) biker jacket with the Egyptian army shoulder flash. - Andy From rkohl at STATE.DE.US Thu Nov 30 11:50:00 1995 From: rkohl at STATE.DE.US (Robert Kohl) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:50:00 EST Subject: Oh My! What language! Message-ID: Paul, we need to schedule a psychiatric evaluation for you. I've always wondered about the psyche of those who like to start flame wars and use profanity, all the while in the safe, impersonal shadows of the 'net. If you had any balls, Paul, you could have contacted me directly and we could have discussed it off the list (I always include my direct address in my messages). But in the end, I'm glad you chose this forum because it illustrates for others what a jackass you can make out of yourself. But I digress--now back to the topic at hand. Regarding item #4 of my previous post: If you don't get the joke, too bad. If you're not smart enough to realize when something is said tongue-in-cheek, and when its not, maybe you ought to ask before you go ape shit on the list. If you read it again, the humor is in the format I use "Now class.....or go to hell." Obviously, you never knew anyone who attended a Christian school, or you would have recognized the parody of a strict school marm. But if I have to explain the joke, well...... Yes, I think smileys and IMHOs and stuff are only minimally useful. And yes, I will probably mention it again in a humorous way like I did before (remember when I told Jason to put his hands on his monitor and chant "Dr. Bob" 3 times and his ailment would go away?) That was a humorous way of expressing my opinion. And, as I said before, since the origin of my postings is from MY keyboard, then using "IMHO" is redundant, IMO, especially if you're not humble. Now, if you really think that I'm trying to lead a movement here towards the total banning of all symbols, you are one weird dude. And you're probably a "follower," which means that you are spineless and are afraid to stand up for your principles. I didn't join this list to be liked by anyone, just to express my opinion. Unlike you, I have the balls to state my opinion frankly (no matter how unpopular), and I have the talent to put it in a humorous way to take the edge off of it. I don't have to resort to the childish bullshit that you do. Also, I tend to post original ideas. It doesn't take alot of brains to sit back and be reactionary, like you. Regarding item #5 of my previous post: Paul writes: >>>stuff deleted<<< Yeah, this last sentence just about sums it up. If you are so bored, then join more lists, or hang out in alt.flame (unless you already do). Topicality isn't just a random attribute of a list; it's there for a reason. Think hard enough and you might figure it out. >>>stuff deleted<<< Hmmm.....interesting. Well, Paul, its not so much that I'm bored as that I, unlike yourself, actually like to learn about new stuff. Case in point: there was a thread going about the different brands of guitar, styles, etc. Now, its not exactly BOC-related per se (except the comments about the band members' choices of guitars). Since I don't know jack about guitars, however, I found this thread very interesting. Some of it I didn't understand, but its called LEARNING. Hence, my thoughts about off-topic stuff on the list. So instead of railing against it, why don't you take the opportunity to learn something so you'll be cured of your ignorance. Now, the good doctor has an opening at 9:00 tomorrow for that evaluation if you can make it. No charge for list members. And if you want to continue discussion on these issues with me, at least have the stones to take it off the list. I'll be more than happy to have a rational discussion with you. But if you want to engage in name calling and childish crap like that, don't bother. I'd rather wait for you to grow enough backbone to say it to my face someday. -Dr. Bob (you see me now, a veteran, of a thousand psychic [flame] wars) rkohl at state.de.us From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Nov 30 13:05:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:05:00 EST Subject: Multiple Topics & More Stuff Message-ID: >>>The doctor waxes poetic: 1. As much as I respect John (and John, I really do), I have to vote for multiple topics. For someone like me in digest mode, it is easier for me to send one message with all my thoughts in it, since I've read all of the previous days' messages. So, on to the next subject.<<< I can go either way. The point that I'd like to make is those that lurk and grumble don't have any impact. I applaud John for speaking out rather than unsubscribing. I don't pay attention, but I applaud. >>>3. Rudy writes about Hendrix: >>>stuff deleted<<< People couldn't keep up with Jimi because they lacked his "vision," >>>stuff deleted<<< They also lacked his variety of drugs.<<< Are you talking to me!?! I said are you talking to me!?! I tried to get a rise out of you so many times, I didn't think you cared. ( Note lack of smiley here and in any of my posts) >>>4. An observation here: Recently, I've seen way too many smiley faces, IMHOs, and other politically correct stuff here. Now class, we musn't misbehave or Dr. Bob will make you sit on your CPU and write on the wall 100 times "I will not use smileys in BOC-L, or I will go straight to hell." <<<< Listen to the Dr. ( & AB if going to a concert.) Can I hear an amen? >>>5. Back to #1, an additional thought about multiple topics: When you have a list that is so damn specific, there is only so much you can talk about without repeating yourself. So, I personally don't mind all the off-topic stuff because just think how boring things would be if every message had to focus solely on BOC. As new people join up, there is naturally going to be a repetition of topics. I look at it as new opportunities for the doctor to strike.<<< That's why we talk HW. Pure BOC would be my idea of hell. Isn't that what the symbol is all about? Rudy From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 30 13:08:11 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:08:11 EST Subject: No coffee in a few days Message-ID: > > I've asked Buck this Q several times...he says that the Beach Boys are a > > definate influence, I will have to root the chat logs to see whom he says are > > The Beach Boys? Are you sure about this? Apparently Buck does have quite > a sense of humour.... > > "I ain't playin' no surf music. I'm gonna play some *heavy* music...." > Dave This isn't the send-up you may think. Remember for us old farts, the Beach Boys were pretty cool for awhile. Buck's no 18 years old anymore. Also, I remember reading an interview w/Buck in 'Guitar Player' way back when, and he said that his influences were surf music, and Danny Kalb from the 'Blues Project.' I don't really hear the connection in his playing, but the tone of the interview was serious, and I don't think he was putting anyone on. theo From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Nov 30 13:18:58 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:18:58 -0500 Subject: Multiple Topics & Stuff Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-30 08:19:09 EST, you write: >4. An observation here: Recently, I've seen way too many smiley faces, >IMHOs, and other politically correct stuff here. Now class, we musn't >misbehave or Dr. Bob will make you sit on your CPU and write on the wall 100 >times "I will not use smileys in BOC-L, or I will go straight to hell." a : } is aheluva lot better than that nerdy LOL acronym..."I'm Laughing Out Loud" opposed to what? Laughing In Silently? > >5. Back to #1, an additional thought about multiple topics: When you have a >list that is so damn specific, there is only so much you can talk about >without repeating yourself. So, I personally don't mind all the off-topic >stuff because just think how boring things would be if every message had to >focus solely on BOC. As new people join up, there is naturally going to be a >repetition of topics. I look at it as new opportunities for the doctor to >strike. or new oppurtunities to reevaluate a topic with the possibility of digging further blah blah blah (I've only had one cup so far...) going off topic is ok, as long as there is a balance of BOC content...take the Prodigy bb for instance, everyone will talk about anything BUT BOC! If you try to start a thread that's BOC related, nobody responds to it...hell, at one point I thought I was at the UFO BB... which brings me to say that the BOC-L forum is the best BOC forum out of all...All Praise! I will abstain from voting on multiple topics - I have no gripe against them but I don't want people to unsubscribe because of them... ROBO > >-Dr. Bob (There are 2 kinds of sports--MOTORsports and minor sports) >rkohl at state.de.us Jimmy Spencer!!! (I used to be a Davey Allison fan...) From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Nov 30 13:19:04 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:19:04 -0500 Subject: Multiple Topics & Stuff Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-30 08:36:49 EST, you write: >> 1. As much as I respect John (and John, I really do), I have to vote for >> multiple topics. For someone like me in digest mode, it is easier for me >to >> send one message with all my thoughts in it, since I've read all of the >> previous days' messages. So, on to the next subject. > >I'm with John on this one. If the topic changes or if it goes off-topic, >then it's no big deal to change the header of the e-mail. If you're >replying to a digest and including various things, then why not just flag >this by adding "(various)" to your header. I think this could be a possible solution...this goes back to the thread a few months ago about HW posts coming to my mailbox, simply because the "HW:" prefix was not being inserted in the subject line...while some thought it was a way to get everyone involved in the conversation, it wouldn't work for me anywho cuz I know next to nothing about HW, and this forum gives me the option to subscribe to the posts of my interest (for the most part)... did we get a clear answer on this? alot of EMail programs will insert the "RE:" prefix in the subject line, thus a "RE: BOC:" would then be in the subject line...does this foil the filter and does the filter only work if the "BOC" is in the prefix or can it be anywhere in the subject line? ROBO From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 30 13:23:55 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:23:55 +0000 Subject: BOC: London gig In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Nov 30, 95 05:44:00 pm Message-ID: > I expect I'll recognise some (ie those that went to Hawkwind last month > :). And dammit, I'm likely to be in the States at all the wrong times and all the wrong places, thus missing the Ozrics, BOC, and the Brain Surgeons! Did I forget to make an appropriate sacrafice at some point? Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 30 13:24:51 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:24:51 +0000 Subject: No coffee in a few days In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Nov 30, 95 05:00:00 pm Message-ID: > > The Beach Boys? Are you sure about this? Apparently Buck does have quite > > a sense of humour.... > > "I ain't playin' no surf music. I'm gonna play some *heavy* music...." > > Isn't that a quote from Hendrix? I believe the Hendrix quote (from "Third Stone from the Sun") is something like "you'll never hear surf music again". Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 30 13:29:28 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:29:28 +0000 Subject: No coffee in a few days In-Reply-To: <951129210537_120426873@emout05.mail.aol.com> from "DFrost8547@AOL.COM" at Nov 29, 95 09:05:39 pm Message-ID: > Yeah, well-I saw Robert Plant forget the words to Whole Lotta Love! He had to > whirl around and look at the teleprompter... > Hey, the problem is not the guy forgetting the lyrics, it's the audience > knowin' em too well! :-) In clubs-- or the good old daze of low-fi concert > concert sound-- you never hear/heard 'em anyway! > Most people should have this problem...have having written such a huge body > of work... but the thing is, sometimes you're looking at something or someone > in the crowd, or thinking of your laundry list... Heck, I've only ever written a few songs but I can never remember the lyrics ... mind you, I'm only rarely called upon to sing them, so I scarcely have much contact with the lyrics after they're written anyway (unless I get bored and feel like trying to rewrite them). Cheers, Carl From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Thu Nov 30 13:31:43 1995 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:31:43 -0500 Subject: OFFTOP: Gong US tour?? Message-ID: Hi Folks: Just saw this posted on the rec.music.progressive newsgroup. Sounds fantastic! Coutesy of Malcolm Humes, I think. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hi all you pixies and gong-o-philes, I have news from credible folks that a Gong US tour is planned for March, with a couple of New York and other shows supposedly already booked. This is supposed to be a variation on the Gong 25th Anniv. Classic lineup - rumored to be teleporting in are Daevid and Gilli, Mike Howlett(!), Tim Blake and Pip Pyle, with Steffi Sharpstings on gitfish. Supposedly they'll all bus 'round the US of A in a big way for a month or so. Possible variation is that Daevid's son might be drumming instead of Pip. Strong and Streamin' - this would be the first Gong tour of the classic ilk in the US since, uh, I forget. Mid 70's? A once in a lifetime show for folks like me that couldn't afford to hop a plane for last years anniversary bash! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I still think a combined 'Lollapalooza' type tour with Hawkwind, Ozric Tentacles, Porcupine Tree, Gong, Spiral Realms, maybe System 7, and the reunited Amon Duul II would be a fantastic idea!!! How could we make this happen in Summer, 1996 for either the UK or US (or both)??? Keith H. From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 30 13:36:35 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:36:35 +0000 Subject: OFFTOP: Gong US tour?? In-Reply-To: <199511301831.NAA20557@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Keith A Henderson" at Nov 30, 95 01:31:43 pm Message-ID: > I still think a combined 'Lollapalooza' type tour with Hawkwind, Ozric > Tentacles, Porcupine Tree, Gong, Spiral Realms, maybe System 7, and the > reunited Amon Duul II would be a fantastic idea!!! How could we make this > happen in Summer, 1996 for either the UK or US (or both)??? And Monster Magnet! :) Carl From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Nov 30 13:44:29 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:44:29 -0500 Subject: A conversation with Bolle Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-30 12:14:12 EST, you write: >When I saw Bolle he played me the following tracks which I assumed were >completed studio versions: > >I'd Like to See You in Black >The Power Underneath Despair >Still Burnin' >Harvest Moon I would assume that another song would be the Cold Grey Light of Dawn, which is a good tune until you get to the chorus (whose lyrical content could be seen a mile away)... > >Although some of the folks here have been critical of the lyrical content >of the first two songs in the above list, it has to be said that they do >rock. And Harvest Moon is fab. Er, I mean it "rules" and other >rock-speakisms. the lyrical content of the 1st 2 songs in the list aren't really that bad...one can blame John Shirley, the author of the lyrics...lyrically, as I stated above, Cold Grey Light of Dawn is the song that suffers ...but, that is just MHO : } {# %} { ^ : g ~| ) The Elefont Man <`L and furthermore, it's great to hear something substantial on a new BOC album! "we're pain, we're steel, a plot of knives" ROBO From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Nov 30 13:51:41 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:51:41 +0000 Subject: No coffee in a few days In-Reply-To: <55AA18E0539@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > > > I've asked Buck this Q several times...he says that the Beach Boys are a > > > definate influence, I will have to root the chat logs to see whom he says are > > > > The Beach Boys? Are you sure about this? Apparently Buck does have quite > > a sense of humour.... > > > > "I ain't playin' no surf music. I'm gonna play some *heavy* music...." > > Dave > This isn't the send-up you may think. Remember for us old farts, > the Beach Boys were pretty cool for awhile. Buck's no 18 years old > anymore. Also, I remember reading an interview w/Buck in 'Guitar > Player' way back when, and he said that his influences were surf > music, and Danny Kalb from the 'Blues Project.' I don't really hear > the connection in his playing, but the tone of the interview was > serious, and I don't think he was putting anyone on. > theo > OK, I can buy that. I wasn't implying that the BBs hadn't made any good music; it's just that I also can't hear any influence in Buck's playing. I'm sure when (way back) Buck was featured in Kerrang's Guitar Heroes section he listed Clapton, Beck and Page as his influences.....though given Buck's own particular style I must say I can't really hear them in his playing either. Dave From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Nov 30 13:46:28 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:46:28 +0000 Subject: No coffee in a few days In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Andrew Gilham wrote: > In-Reply-To: > > > The Beach Boys? Are you sure about this? Apparently Buck does have quite > > a sense of humour.... > > > > "I ain't playin' no surf music. I'm gonna play some *heavy* music...." > > Dave > > Isn't that a quote from Hendrix? > Er, well I got it from "The Marshall Plan (Here's Johnny)", but maybe Hendrix said it. I dunno... D From chip at PCC.COM Thu Nov 30 14:17:23 1995 From: chip at PCC.COM (Chip Hart) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:17:23 -0500 Subject: No coffee in a few days In-Reply-To: from "Hardman DK" at Nov 30, 95 04:41:35 pm Message-ID: Hardman DK: >>I've asked Buck this Q several times...he says that the Beach Boys are a >>definate influence, I will have to root the chat logs to see whom he says are > The Beach Boys? Are you sure about this? Apparently Buck does have quite > a sense of humour.... Grab _Spectres_, turn to "Golden Age of Leather," and reconsider Buck's humor. It's "Good Vibrations." I've thought so for years, and Al confirmed it by singing a few verses for Steve Swann and me. -- Chip Hart * chip at pcc.com People's Computer Company * http://www.pcc.com/~chip 15 Pinecrest Drive * Work:800-722-7708 Essex Junction, VT 05452 * Fax: 802-872-8177 From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 30 14:19:28 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:19:28 EST Subject: No coffee in a few days Message-ID: > OK, I can buy that. I wasn't implying that the BBs hadn't made any good > music; it's just that I also can't hear any influence in Buck's playing. > I'm sure when (way back) Buck was featured in Kerrang's Guitar Heroes > section he listed Clapton, Beck and Page as his influences.....though > given Buck's own particular style I must say I can't really hear them in > his playing either. > > Dave Dave, Come to think of it he definitely did mention Clapton, Beck and Page as well. I alluded to Danny Kalb and surf music 'cause they seemed so off the wall when envisioning Buck's style. And of course, BOC covering at least two Clapton tunes should have made for an obvious connection. theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Nov 30 13:26:07 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:26:07 +0000 Subject: Imaginos with Muppets In-Reply-To: <199511301622.LAA17421@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Nov 30, 95 11:22:31 am Message-ID: > Master > Master > Master of the muppets > He's pulling your strings > > Sorry, the devil made me write that. Perhaps the devil got you mother?! 666, Carl From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Nov 30 14:45:06 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:45:06 -0500 Subject: Bass lines? Message-ID: Do you mean Bass Tab? There are 2 BOC bass tabs on-line that I know about, and that 'cuz, you guessed it, I tabbed 'em. They are for "Cities on Flame" (which I'm trying to learn but my fingers ain't quite fast enough to do it smooth yet) and "Godzilla". Drop me a an e-mail at John_Swartz at iegate.mitre.org and I'll send 'em to you if you want. John From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Thu Nov 30 14:00:11 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:00:11 +0000 Subject: Imaginos with Muppets In-Reply-To: <199511301622.LAA17421@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Stephen Swann wrote: > > Mr. Hardman was correct in his analysis - it's a crime that this song > was left off of Imaginos. > > Steve > Mr? MR???? Some of us here have PhDs you know!!! (Sorry, I couldn't resist that after after the earlier rant against "Dr" Bob) :) D From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Nov 30 14:46:02 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:46:02 GMT Subject: Multiple smilies In-Reply-To: Robert Kohl's message of Thu, 30 Nov 1995 07:57:15 EST Message-ID: > > 4. An observation here: Recently, I've seen way too many smiley faces, > IMHOs, and other politically correct stuff here. Now class, we musn't > misbehave or Dr. Bob will make you sit on your CPU and write on the wall 100 > times "I will not use smileys in BOC-L, or I will go straight to hell." > 8-))))) IMHO I think you missed something out here 8-) Sorry (and I do genuinely mean this as an expression of regret, since you will clearly be annoyed) sorry, but I do like to use them and would like to keep on doing so please. Politely (because I prefer discussions that way) jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk fnord 8-) fnord (they're back again) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Thu Nov 30 14:53:15 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:53:15 EST Subject: BOC: Buck's surf music influences Message-ID: I don't think it's so hard to see the surf influences in Buck's style. Listen to the last minute or so of Hot Rails to Hell. That run... is that the Ventures I hear?!? Surf's up Buck! Good point about part of Golden Age being from Good Vibrations too! Also, for more surf influence, check out the Surgeons' I Play the Drums. I think I hear Wipeout in there somewhere on the drums, or maybe it's Sing Sing Sing. Brian From mbraun at HYDRA.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM Thu Nov 30 14:55:38 1995 From: mbraun at HYDRA.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:55:38 CST Subject: Multiple Topics & Gil Blanco County In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 30 Nov 95 13:54:06 EST." <199511301854.NAA16799@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: Martyn White writes the following on the topic of multi-topic posts: > I vote for multiple posts. It makes it easier to ignore >people if they put all their musings in one easily delatable post In spite of your vote, you've provided the hands-down, single best argument I've heard so far for multi-topic postings! Steve Swann writes: ------------------------------ > It rained so hard, said Injun Joe > (he knows everything, you know) > - from Gil Blanco County > as performed by The Imaginos Band > > Mr. Hardman was correct in his analysis - it's a crime that this song > was left off of Imaginos. Together with "Del Rio's Song", this comprises the "Old West" portion of the Imaginos legend. A tragic loss--its omission, a terrible crime. The only way I can see amends being made is if this track appears on an upcoming Brain Surgeons' album. :-) m@ +-mbraun at urbana.mcd.mot.com-+--Bad oats in town ------------------------------+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | The word went out | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | So my horse and me, we left town | +---Special Projects Team---+--- Rode my Palomino down. ------------[SP/AB]--+ From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Nov 30 16:55:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:55:00 PST Subject: Buck's Influences Message-ID: > > I've asked Buck this Q several times...he says that the Beach Boys are a > > definate influence, I will have to root the chat logs to see whom he says are > > The Beach Boys? Are you sure about this? Apparently Buck does have quite > a sense of humour.... > > "I ain't playin' no surf music. I'm gonna play some *heavy* music...." > Dave >This isn't the send-up you may think. Remember for us old farts, >the Beach Boys were pretty cool for awhile. Buck's no 18 years old >anymore. Also, I remember reading an interview w/Buck in 'Guitar >Player' way back when, and he said that his influences were surf >music, and Danny Kalb from the 'Blues Project.' I don't really hear >the connection in his playing, but the tone of the interview was >serious, and I don't think he was putting anyone on. >theo I may be wrong (never stopped me before and won't in the future) but didn't the band in its earliest (read college days) do Motwon or other R&B covers as well as what passed for rock & roll in the late 50's early 60's. I could see Buck digging the Beach Boys. Hell I used to be wild about Sha Na Na. AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Nov 30 17:05:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:05:00 PST Subject: Make Way for Rudy Message-ID: Rudy Writes: >I can go either way. The point that I'd like to make is those that lurk and >grumble don't have any impact. I applaud John for speaking out rather than >unsubscribing. I don't pay attention, but I applaud. >Listen to the Dr. ( & AB if going to a concert.) Can I hear an amen? >That's why we talk HW. Pure BOC would be my idea of hell. Isn't that what >the symbol is all about? >Rudy Rudy gets my vote as "Da Man of the Day". And BTW AB don't have no bladder control problem, except when he consumes 6 times his normal consumption of beer. Further for the record rarely will I drink a beer when I go out, unless its to a concert. I'm a College and Pro basketball fanatic and can watch hoops around the clock. During that time if I do two beers I lay off the stuff for a week. Six pack last six days or more in our household, so if you stop by and want a beer you'll have to wait until I get back from the store. Total consumption at BOC show in October = 1 Red Dog Draft, 1 Bud Ice Draft (at Hooters) 1 Red Wolf (on the way to Jaxx) 2 Bud Ice's before Ken Arrives (hey guy how ya doin out there) at least 2 with Ken (I'll buy ya one, no I'll buy you one) and 5 with some other buds. Two Six Packs in 6 hours get the math. Kinda hard to hold 144 oz of fluid you rent, not buy, in that time frame when you weigh 150 lbs. Funny line I heard - Young Man - "I think I'm too young to get married." Older Man - "Hell, I'm to young to get married and I'm a grandfather." AB From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Nov 30 17:10:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:10:00 PST Subject: Multiple Topics & Stuff/ Robo's thoughts Message-ID: Robo, how about discussions on AOL, do they tend to go off tangent? Does Eyes post regulary or is he only involved in chats? Are folks well behaved or do they toss down the mouse and go at it with the keyboards? Are opinions expressed or depressed by demcratic majority? I too would not want to see John of all people leave over this subject, but if anything BOC-L is porbably one of the more tolerant lists out there today. ROBO > >-Dr. Bob (There are 2 kinds of sports--MOTORsports and minor sports) >rkohl at state.de.us >Jimmy Spencer!!! (I used to be a Davey Allison fan...) Why used to be? Damn thats a lot of ? marks for one post. From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Nov 30 16:04:18 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:04:18 -0500 Subject: Make Way for Rudy Message-ID: >Rudy gets my vote as "Da Man of the Day". And BTW AB don't have no bladder >control problem, except when he consumes 6 times his normal consumption of >beer. Further for the record rarely will I drink a beer when I go out, >unless its to a concert. I'm a College and Pro basketball fanatic and can >watch hoops around the clock. During that time if I do two beers I lay off >the stuff for a week. Six pack last six days or more in our household, so >if you stop by and want a beer you'll have to wait until I get back from the >store. Total consumption at BOC show in October = 1 Red Dog Draft, 1 Bud >Ice Draft (at Hooters) 1 Red Wolf (on the way to Jaxx) 2 Bud Ice's before >Ken Arrives (hey guy how ya doin out there) at least 2 with Ken (I'll buy ya >one, no I'll buy you one) and 5 with some other buds. Two Six Packs in 6 >hours get the math. Kinda hard to hold 144 oz of fluid you rent, not buy, >in that time frame when you weigh 150 lbs. > Methinks he doth protest too much M From kfrazier at NCSA.UIUC.EDU Thu Nov 30 15:14:09 1995 From: kfrazier at NCSA.UIUC.EDU (Keith Frazier) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 15:14:09 -0500 Subject: Multiple smilies Message-ID: >jill > fnord 8-) fnord (they're back again) >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not back again. Still here. Just in lurker mode usually:-) Keith kfrazier at ncsa.uiuc.edu NCSA University of IL. " From swann at PHANTOM.COM Thu Nov 30 16:30:06 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:30:06 -0500 Subject: Imaginos with Muppets In-Reply-To: from "Hardman DK" at Nov 30, 95 07:00:11 pm Message-ID: Hardman DK writes: > > On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Stephen Swann wrote: > > > > Mr. Hardman was correct in his analysis - it's a crime that this song > > was left off of Imaginos. > > > > Steve > > > Mr? MR???? Some of us here have PhDs you know!!! Well, I hope it's curable. :) > (Sorry, I couldn't resist that after after the earlier rant > against "Dr" Bob) :) Steve From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Nov 30 16:31:28 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:31:28 -0500 Subject: No coffee in a few days Message-ID: >In-Reply-To: >> "I ain't playin' no surf music. I'm gonna play some *heavy* music...." >> Dave > >Isn't that a quote from Hendrix? We might only wish. It's from "The Marshall Plan", off CE. A song I don't much care for, and it clashes with the rest of the album. Of course, this was Sony's choice cut from CE to put on WotT. ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Nov 30 16:59:29 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:59:29 -0500 Subject: No coffee in a few days Message-ID: >In-Reply-To: <199511302131.QAA10738 at grumpy.magg.net> > >Andrew (or should I call you Roger? Is that your D&D character or >something?) No, its something else altogether. I suppose I should fix that. It's my name in another organization, and has nothing to do with BOC-L... >Did you honestly think I didn't know that? As Carl confirmed, it's a >near-quote from Hendrix. Credit me with a modicum of brains, please. >BTW, I got _C. erectus_ the day it came out in 1980, so I have a passing >familiarity with it. Sorry, should've known better. I am not familiar with any Hendrix quotes... ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Nov 30 17:47:03 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:47:03 -0500 Subject: Oh My! What language! Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-30 14:57:39 EST, you write: >If you had any balls, Paul, you could have contacted me directly and we could >have discussed it off the list (I always include my direct address in my >messages). But in the end, I'm glad you chose this forum because it >illustrates for others what a jackass you can make out of yourself. But I >digress--now back to the topic at hand. I agree totally...if one is going to use abusive language towards another individual, move it into private Email...whomever moderates this list should remove frequent offenders from the list... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Nov 30 17:47:06 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:47:06 -0500 Subject: Bass lines? Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-30 14:57:46 EST, you write: >Does anybody know where there are any BOC basslines (on the net or >elsewhere)? >I keep trying FTP nevada, but I can't get on, whether this is due to timing >, or my server I don't know. > > I have had the same prob with Nevada...if you keep hitting "reload" you'll get in...takes some persistence, though... I don't recall ever seeing bass tabs, but this could be because I wasn't looking for them... ROBO From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Nov 30 17:47:21 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:47:21 -0500 Subject: A conversation with Bolle - WoTT Sales Expectations are out of line. Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-30 14:57:50 EST, you write: >Maybe four or five is enough. Though I don't know what they are called or >how they are classified I have seen several CD's out there having 4-5 tracks >on them. Just bring it on already Oysterboys. they're called CD-5's > >>Bolle basically confirmed my belief about the release of BOC rarities >>in the future by Sony may be tied to the success of WotT. The number >>he quoted was 100,000 that had to be sold within some timefram (don't >>know what the timeframe is). > >This dosen't sound too promising. You have to question Sony's marketing >sense. I bought my copy of WoTT and enjoy it, but a 100,000 copies? Why >the hell did they throw 3 pak out there escpecially after WoTT had been on >the shelves for less than a month? That offering has to dig into the >potential sales of WoTT. Do they expect new fans to buy both? How much >money do they truly think is out there? This is absurd. I'm sure WoTT has >probably sold in pretty good numbers but that is a ludicrous expectation. > Better for WoTT not to meet Sony's targets and convince them to sell the >rare stuff to someone else (with reasonable expectations) for publishing. > Damn this pisses me off. BTW did Bolle have any details into current WoTT >or 3 Pak sales numbers? put yourself in the record companies shoes...are you gonna put forth the effort to release a CD Set if the first one didn't sell? record companies want to stay in biz, and all it is to them are numbers and the bottom line... ROBO NP: That wuss Bon Jovi on some lame local rock station... From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Nov 30 17:47:24 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:47:24 -0500 Subject: Multiple Topics Postings Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-30 14:58:01 EST, you write: >BOC and Booze - Well no one seems to know what beverage the band really >prefers to drink, so I guess if I'm ever in a position to buy the guys a >round I'll learn then. Hopefully the club/bar or whatever will have what >they like in stock. Funny looking at how well preserved Eyes and Buck >appear they don't look like big drinkers to me. Perhaps they too order >fresh fruit and mineral water after concerts. > > Allen Lanier prefers Corona...the coolers backstage are typically stocked with Cherry Cokes and Sprite...Buck prefers Scotch... in jest Fartknocker stated that BOC is "the people's band - we drink Iron City Beer!!!" ROBO btw, in regards to the EB nicknames, I dubbed Eric "Fartknocker" upon discussing Beavis and Butthead episodes...my nickname is none other than "Assmunch" From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Nov 30 17:47:43 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:47:43 -0500 Subject: Multiple Topics & Stuff/ Robo's thoughts Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-30 15:15:32 EST, you write: >Robo, how about discussions on AOL, do they tend to go off tangent? Does >Eyes post regulary or is he only involved in chats? Are folks well behaved >or do they toss down the mouse and go at it with the keyboards? Are >opinions expressed or depressed by demcratic majority? I too would not want >to see John of all people leave over this subject, but if anything BOC-L is >porbably one of the more tolerant lists out there today. well, IMHO ( : P ), AOL is a good source of BOC info (since the tour dates, T-shirt info etc etc)...yes, at times it does go off-topic...sometimes there are postings on sports, the Beatles etc etc...and there are people there that complain from time to time about off-topic posts... it is different on a BB...you can do what I do and preview the subject lines of the notes and only read what may be appealing...if there isn't anything interesting, I simply don't read it and keep my mouth shut... there is a case where a heavy volume of off-topic posts can deter people from joining the forum....one time I went to visit the U2 Board on Prodigy and there was post after post after post of Sally's gallstone operation...it certainly deterred me from posting anything...this is the sort of problem we are having on the Prodigy BB...the subject is called Blue Oyster Cult, but most of the talk is about Classic Rock nowadays...this could also be in part because Prodigy is such a shitty service nowadays and we don't have that many people there anymore like we did 9 months ago... I just read a post on here about too many off-topic posts...off-topic can also be classified on here as "other"...if you don't wish to receive "other", then turn it off so you don't receive those posts...I hardly have seen postings about Berthas cookie recipes goin' around...much of the talk has been about Strats and guitarists, which is off-topic but music related... then there is the issue of multiple topic posts...personally, it doesn't bug me...before we had the issue of list volume and try to refrain from posting more than 5 messages a day...would this be a way of stretching the quota? I have been well over my quota over the past week or so...but there's so much to talk about lately... I think we can begin to resolve this issue by remembering to insert the correct prefixes in the subject line as well as the correct topic being discussed, and use the filters that are supposed to work with the list...if you don't want off-topic posts, than turn them off instead of complaining about it... now, back to your AOL Qs: Eric posts both to the bb as well as participating in the online chats...I think sometimes people refrain from expressing their honest opinion on the AOL bb because of it...hey, if I think Club Ninja sucks, I say so...there seldom is any personal attacks on the AOL bb, but when there is, it's usually because of BadOysters : }, a squirrelly teenage fan from New Orleans... >ROBO >> >>-Dr. Bob (There are 2 kinds of sports--MOTORsports and minor sports) >>rkohl at state.de.us > >>Jimmy Spencer!!! (I used to be a Davey Allison fan...) > >Why used to be? > >Damn thats a lot of ? marks for one post. I guess I could say I still am...but, Davey died in a helicopter crash several years ago...NASCAR lost one of the finest racers, and as a person he represented the sport well... ROBO From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Nov 30 18:10:21 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:10:21 EST Subject: Oh My! What language! Message-ID: > >If you had any balls, Paul, you could have contacted me directly and we > could > >have discussed it off the list (I always include my direct address in my > >messages). But in the end, I'm glad you chose this forum because it > >illustrates for others what a jackass you can make out of yourself. But I > >digress--now back to the topic at hand. > > I agree totally...if one is going to use abusive language towards another > individual, move it into private Email...whomever moderates this list should > remove frequent offenders from the list... > > ROBO Amen,amen. And remember what started all the flaming--a couple of jokes about smiley faces and IMHO. How could anyone feel so strongly defending such worthless stuff. That'd be like wanting to fight someone 'cause he called your Yugo a piece of shit! theo From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Thu Nov 30 18:26:35 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (albert bouchard) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:26:35 -0500 Subject: Hall o' Fame Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Nov 1995 Duane wrote: > I just attended our company's Christmas party last night. The owner of ............. > huge display of hundreds of sticks arranged in a circular pattern. I > have a question for Al concerning this. The sticks are autographed to > a person named Freddy. Who was/is Freddy? It's really hard to autograph drumsticks. I signed them to Peter (Lavinger) who is probably the most famous drumstick collector in history. Al From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Nov 30 18:26:41 1995 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:26:41 -0600 Subject: (fwd) OFFTOP: Gong US tour?? Message-ID: Heya... I thought I'd share Steve Hillage's response to my forward of Keith Henderson's forward of Malcolm Humes' (?) post in rec.music.progressive concerning Gong's possible U.S. tour. And NO, you can't have his e-mail address from me. (Besides, you can find it at his Web site, whose URL I don't have with me at the moment.) Damon Capehart | UTD Student Govt. Assoc., Communications Committee; dcapehar at utdallas.edu | Society of Physics Students ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >First of all, I like your web page even more now. Great job! Thanks! A further update is planned for Jan/Feb. By the way, the s777 mailbox is working now. >Secondly, I wanted to know what you think of the following included >message pertaining to a possible upcoming Gong tour here in the USA. I >wonder because I have absolutely no idea what your relationship with >Daevid is like these days - and because of my wishfully thinking mind - >whether there is any chance that you might come over with the rest of the >chaps. We get along really well with Daevid. 3 years ago we spent 2 weeks with him in Bali and we keep in touch with him directly, and also through GAS. He understands, however that there is absolutely no chance of System 7 doing any kind of US tour with a revived/reformed Gong. >I still think a combined 'Lollapalooza' type tour with Hawkwind, Ozric >Tentacles, Porcupine Tree, Gong, Spiral Realms, System 7, and the >reunited Amon Duul II would be a fantastic idea!!! How could we make this >happen in Summer, 1996 for either the UK or US (or both)??? I don't think this is a good idea. System 7 are firmly rooted in the Dance/Techno realm and I don't think our sound we would neccessarily appeal to those attracted to the other groups. We would be well received for our historical links only. Similarily, people attracted by the pure techno aspects of System 7 would not neccessarily go for Hawkwind, Ozrics etc. Thanks for the thought though. Take it easy :-) Steve From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Thu Nov 30 20:38:55 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 00:38:55 -0100 Subject: I like coffee too, but............... Message-ID: Nice, yet another evening with trashing 50 or so letters having the subject "No coffee in a few days", simply because I don't have time to read all this mail that very well could have a lot of interesting stuff in it (it often does). But who knows? It's up to me right? But what are these subject headers for anyway? And that's not even my humble opinion, only a rethorical question... Meanwhile I drink my Lavazza and read about Buck's influences... And dear Dr, if you happen to read this, I can't find anything wrong with using smileys. When I started writing letters on Internet I thought it looked rather childish with these characters, as I knew myself of being a master of handling irony and sarcasm... Fast det framkommer b?ttre n?r jag skriver p? svenska... Yes,we use the english language, but I think even englishspoken persons use the language somewhat differently depending where you're from. And Internet is (accept it or not) actually more than an american playground. It's simply not possible for everone to recognize and understand every subtile tone in a ironic/humoristic sentence if it's in a language you were not born with. It can do no harm using these helpful smiley-things in situations when you don't want to be misinterpreted. The doctors could always chose to close their eyes at the end of the line:-?. Dan (much too humble for his own good) Lindfors From BUB9797 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 30 19:30:11 1995 From: BUB9797 at AOL.COM (Rob Gorman) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:30:11 -0500 Subject: Help Message-ID: Hi, Really like the Hawk-BOC discussion group, but I can't afford the time it takes to delete all these messages. HELP! I'd like to repecfully resign. Thanks, Bub From tori at PANIX.COM Thu Nov 30 21:50:21 1995 From: tori at PANIX.COM (Lurking Girl) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 21:50:21 -0500 Subject: Oh My! What a crock! In-Reply-To: <951130174702_39721888@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: First for Dr. Whoever: >>If you had any balls, Paul, you could have contacted me directly and we >>could have discussed it off the list (I always include my direct >>address in my messages). But in the end, I'm glad you chose this >>forum because it illustrates for others what a jackass you can make >>out of yourself. But I digress--now back to the topic at hand. Paul (that's Dr. Mather to you, bunky) has amply proved his worth to the list over the past five years. Everyone's had quite enough time to form their own opinions on him. What have *you* done for us, except post condescendingly about a long-time Internet custom? You claim that smileys are unnecessary, and then sneer at Paul because he took your words seriously. Try and think real hard about this one. Maybe you'll see the irony. I'm not holding my breath, though. And now for ROBODUDE: . >I agree totally...if one is going to use abusive language towards >another individual, move it into private Email...whomever moderates >this list should remove frequent offenders from the list... This nearly made me spit Snapple all over my monitor. The frequent offenses, right now, are the flood of off-topic postings. If you want Paul to go, then by God every last doofus posting about his bowels and his lunch and Eric's Windoze preferences had bloody well better go too. You can't have it both ways. Either it's a strictly-moderated list or it isn't. If it is, it applies to you (plural; not ROBO in particular) as well as those you disagree with. This is everyone's playpen, or no one's. Tori From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Thu Nov 30 13:57:32 1995 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:57:32 -0800 Subject: Imaginos the Movie - Could Happen In-Reply-To: <9511292035.AA07955@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: The last concert I was close enough to see the labels on the bottles, it was Heineken (not dark), although I have seen Bud on several other occasions. I'm new at this, but: Long live BOC, the yardstick by which all other music is measures and found lacking!!! - Merely a passerby in Times Square, '63, or was it '64? From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Thu Nov 30 22:30:06 1995 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:30:06 -0800 Subject: Strats Message-ID: >>> There's also an Italian guy named Bambi >> Fossatti who _wails_ on the thing. >> >Garybaldi, right? Which release? I have ASTROLABIA, which hasn't been >spun in quite a while... > > I'm partial to the live Bambi Comes Alive, a relatively recent recording. It's got excerpts from Astrolabio and Nuda, as well as Hey Joe and some other goodies. Textbook heavy Strat work. Bambi also was in Gleemen, and had a very Beck-ish album called La Bambibanda e Melodie. Of course, I'd never pollute our pristine commercial free waters by mentioning that I carry these...;) Wylie From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Nov 30 13:02:57 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 23:02:57 +0500 Subject: Oh My! What language! Message-ID: Dr. Robert Kohl chokes on his own medicine: >Regarding item #4 of my previous post: If you don't get the joke, too bad. If >you're not smart enough to realize when something is said tongue-in-cheek, >and when its not, maybe you ought to ask before you go ape shit on the list. It seems my demonstration worked, in a sense. In another, it failed. If you don't get the joke, too bad. If you're not smart enough to realise when... oh, what the heck. Just read what you wrote above. >If you read it again, the humor is in the format I use "Now class.....or go >to hell." Obviously, you never knew anyone who attended a Christian school, >or you would have recognized the parody of a strict school marm. But if I >have to explain the joke, well...... How does that BOC song go again? "...and the joke's on you." I blame myself. I KNEW I should have put those smileys on the end of that "fuck off and die" line, just so everyone would catch on. (Big clue: "...the immutable truth of the ages..."---can you get less "IMHO" than that??) If the overly extreme posting style I affected (inspired by your own "eschew all these politically correct IMHO and smiley niceties" sentiments, and taken to the nth degree) caused you upset, then I find that ironic. That you---Dr. Bob of all people---would misconstrue it, and react so dramatically, is surprising given your self-confessed sophistication in these matters. Surely that's only something a STUPID IDIOT such as myself would do. And, hey, you KNOW that when I write, "your mother is a whore, Dr. Bob," or "Eric Bloom is a cocaine addict," that I'm just joking around, don't you?? I mean, you can obviously see those implicit "IMHOs" and "smileys" infesting those statements that come from MY keyboard, right? Okay, so it may look a little abrasive, but we're not slack-jawed liberals here, are we? Everyone knows all that "IMHO" and stuff is just redundant baggage that serves no purpose. None at all. > Unlike you, I have the balls to state my opinion frankly >(no matter how unpopular), You didn't think my exposition was frank enough??? I'm surprised. I thought I couldn't be more blunt. > and I have the talent to put it in a humorous way >to take the edge off of it. Yes, you have a talent, Dr. Bob, there's no denying that. I guess it's just me, but I find usually your "humour" just comes off sounding like patronising condescension. I guess I must just be an incurable curmudgeon, or else the IGNORANT DULLARD you take me for. > I don't have to resort to the childish bullshit >that you do. "Childish bullshit..." Wait a minute! That's the form of humour known as "irony" you're employing there, isn't it? Ha ha ha. I just wet myself. > Also, I tend to post original ideas. I must have missed them, I guess. It's interesting you know so much about my BOC-L oeuvre (which spans many years), you being such a relative newcomer. >Hmmm.....interesting. Well, Paul, its not so much that I'm bored as that I, >unlike yourself, actually like to learn about new stuff. You know so much about me, Dr. Bob, it's frightening! Do you have private detectives tailing me? How else would my dark secret---that I have an intense hatred of learning---come to light? And here I was thinking that hiding out at this university would be the perfect disguise... > Case in point: >there was a thread going about the different brands of guitar, styles, etc. >Now, its not exactly BOC-related per se (except the comments about the band >members' choices of guitars). Since I don't know jack about guitars, >however, I found this thread very interesting. Some of it I didn't >understand, but its called LEARNING. Hence, my thoughts about off-topic >stuff on the list. So instead of railing against it, why don't you take the >opportunity to learn something so you'll be cured of your ignorance. Now I KNOW I'm stupid. I've been going about this LEARNING lark entirely the wrong way. When I want to learn I use appropriate and relevant sources. I don't ask a geologist when I want to find out about multiprocessor cache coherency. I don't read "Tattoo Monthly" when I want to learn about Kolmogorov complexity. Maybe I should. It would obviously be a more efficient technique. Hey, why don't we just have one Internet e-mail list, where everyone talks about anything they want. Just think of how much more LEARNING we'd get done! As for your case in point, I shall attempt to shed my blanket of ignorance and, in future, shall address my guitar tech questions to BOC-L instead of rec.music.makers.guitar. It's obvious I'll find more guitarists (and answers) on BOC-L than I will there. >And if you want to continue discussion on these issues with me, at least have >the stones to take it off the list. Do as I say, not as I do, right? But, as you are at great pains to point out, I am an ignoramus, and know no better. In fact, I think I'll go hunt out my Ph.D. certificate right now and burn it! > I'll be more than happy to have a >rational discussion with you. Don't flatter yourself, Dr. Bob. I don't have the time to waste. This will be my last posting with you on this thread, public or private. Respond all you like. I could care less. Let's get back to the important discussion of coffee and motor racing. Btw, for someone who expresses such disdain for ad hominem attacks, you sure like using them yourself. Cheers, Paul "too spineless ever to put his e-mail address at the end of posts" Mather. obTape: Hawkwind, _Glastonbury '81_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 30 23:23:03 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 23:23:03 -0500 Subject: No coffee in a few days Message-ID: I am wearing a sweatshirt created by the extremely talented Melne, aka chairmistress of the fan club. Al is wearing a fIREHOSE T-shirt. The photo was taken at Electric Ladyland, home of a zillion memories, where Albert did a live radio broadcast that included "Red and the Black" with Mike Watt (then with fiREHOSE) j Mascis, Thurston Moore, Don Fleming (then doing the Gumball thing)..a crazy night...and we didn't expect our photo to be taken...but it's only rock n roll... and we dug it... The signif of the 4th of November is such that Albert thought it is/was Election Day! --DF PS-Where did you find Eponymous? From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 30 23:23:24 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 23:23:24 -0500 Subject: Web page back up! Message-ID: Speaking of web sites, has anyone checked out tania's? http://www.NovPapyrus.com/bs/ (Personal to the BlameMagnet & Lurking Girl-- We finally got our browser running) It looks great! From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Nov 30 23:23:24 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 23:23:24 -0500 Subject: Help Message-ID: Have you tried irock? It's BOC-L, without all the blather. But you gotta prove yourself worthy of signal, rather than noise, first. Too bad the noisemakers here are ruining it for everybody else. --DF