From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Dec 1 00:31:30 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 00:31:30 -0500 Subject: BOC: D&S Message-ID: I disagree with AB about "D&S", his saying that they should never play it again. First of all, Al stopped singing the song live somewhere around '74-'76 anyway (why I don't know, I asked Al once, but he never answered). I always liked the way Eyes did it anyway. Not as good, no, but he adds his own style to it. And, I don't think you'd say that, AB, if you'd heard the 6/24/86 at the Troc version - masterful! The riff is bent out of original shape, and Buck goes off into a solo like he never played before...which builds back into the "In Times Square now..." part. It's gotta be 2OC at their best! Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Dec 1 00:57:02 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 00:57:02 -0500 Subject: Multiple Topics & Stuff Message-ID: John, Well put! I've been doing this computer-communication dealy for a few years now, and those smiley sybols (or other symbols) have always come in handy. If you're trying to communicate some ideas or opinions non-verbally in this format, it helps to compensate with some symbols. And yeah, there's also something to be said for normal, everyday, common politeness! All this "Politically Correct" stuff is nonsense. Thanks for stating these things... Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Dec 1 02:29:06 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 02:29:06 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck's surf music influences Message-ID: Funny, because I always thought I heard some PAGE in some of the soloing in "Hot Rails To Hell"... Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Dec 1 02:31:54 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 02:31:54 -0500 Subject: Multiple Topics & Gil Blanco County Message-ID: "Bad OATS in town"?? I thought it was "Bad Folks", referring to the narrator, which is why he left town... Like he was gonna get lynched or something... Chuck From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Dec 1 12:10:13 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 18:10:13 +0100 Subject: HW: Boy do I have a rumour .... Message-ID: But I'm sworn to secrecy, as law suits (not against boc-l'ers) may result! When I have permission (if I can keep it in that long!), I'll let you ALL know about it ;^) Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Dec 1 05:04:42 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 10:04:42 +0000 Subject: influences on BOC (was "no coffee"...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Chip Hart wrote: > > Grab _Spectres_, turn to "Golden Age of Leather," and reconsider > Buck's humor. It's "Good Vibrations." I've thought so for > years, and Al confirmed it by singing a few verses for Steve > Swann and me. Yes, I'd forgotten that, though I'd really been thinking purely in terms of Buck's guitar playing rather than the overall music. Anyway, speaking of influences, next time you listen to "Del Rio's Song" try singing along with "Hey Mr Tambourine Man, play a song for me..." :) Dave From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Dec 1 05:12:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 10:12:00 GMT Subject: I like coffee too, but............... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199511302338.AAA01395 at plato.algonet.se> Dan understandably complains: > Nice, yet another evening with trashing 50 or so letters having the > subject > "No coffee in a few days", simply because I don't have time to read all > this > mail that very well could have a lot of interesting stuff in it (it > often > does). But who knows? > It's up to me right? But what are these subject headers for anyway? And > that's not even my humble opinion, only a rethorical question... Well, if I had my way, I'd like to have all mention of coffee cease on boc-l... but let me put that in a number of different posting styles: (a) Hard Yeah... them coffee addicts are pukes... last puke talked about coffee, I kicked him in the face... (b) Condescending Now, anyone who mentions coffee on boc-l will go to their room without any supper! Bad boys and girls! Dr. Knob will have to come and spank you! (c) Pathetic Yeah yeah Dan-man, if anyone else mentions coffee I'll go home and slash my wrists with my Y&T cutouts and then the five little ones wont have a daddy. Hey Torgoman it's really strong today goes right thru you! Um - got carried away there... - Andy From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Fri Dec 1 06:03:45 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 11:03:45 +0000 Subject: BOC: London gig In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Nov 30, 95 05:44:00 pm Message-ID: > > In-Reply-To: <9511301706.AA01298 at phinet.sb.com> > How about the Bull & Gate, just before you get to the Forum (if you've > come by tube)? Seven o'clock-ish? (They have a small venue at the back > - so not that bar, the main bar, to the right - but we can check it out > if BOC are crap :). Is that the Irish pub right next door? If not, the Irish pub would be good - they serve a mean pint of Caffreys as well. Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Fri Dec 1 06:08:41 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 11:08:41 +0000 Subject: BOC: London gig In-Reply-To: <9511301706.AA01298@phinet.sb.com> from "CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY" at Nov 30, 95 12:06:19 pm Message-ID: > Hi. > wrt the gig at the Forum. > This is a good chance for me to meet a few fellow BOC-L'ers > and as I am going to the gig on my own, it would be great to > meet up with people for a few beers. > Is there a pub near the venue that anyone knows the name of? > Is anyone going up early to try and get into the sound check? > How will we recognise each other? The Irish pub next door (don't remember the name) is good. At least one of you knows me (Tim (aka bart)) - if you find him, you'll find me as well. I'll probably have a DP t-shirt on. Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Fri Dec 1 07:05:15 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:05:15 +0000 Subject: HW: Boy do I have a rumour .... -Reply Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I'm sworn to secrecy, as law suits (not against boc-l'ers) may result! When I have permission (if I can keep it in that long!), I'll let you ALL know about it ;^) Paul <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaww, go on, giz a clue mate?! ygafw From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Fri Dec 1 09:07:19 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:07:19 -0100 Subject: I like coffee too, but............... Message-ID: >Um - got carried away there... > >- Andy > Too much of that earl grey stuff? :-) Dan From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Fri Dec 1 09:20:35 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:20:35 -0100 Subject: BOC: Buck's surf music influences Message-ID: >Funny, because I always thought I heard some PAGE in some of >the soloing in "Hot Rails To Hell"... > >Chuck > I read somewhere that Buck did not enjoy what Page was performing live, but loved the studio-Page. Dan From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 1 08:03:05 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:03:05 EST Subject: Imaginos the Movie - Could Happen Message-ID: > Long live BOC, the yardstick by which all other music > is measured and found lacking!!! > > - Merely a passerby in Times Square, '63, or was it '64? couldn't have said it better! From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Dec 1 08:08:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:08:00 GMT Subject: BOC: London gig Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9512011103.aa26637 at madge1.dev.madge.com> Jason > > How about the Bull & Gate, just before you get to the Forum (if you've > > come by tube)? Seven o'clock-ish? (They have a small venue at the > > back > > - so not that bar, the main bar, to the right - but we can check it > > out > > if BOC are crap :). > > Is that the Irish pub right next door? Aren't all the pubs in Kentish Town Irish? :) But, yeah, I think we mean the same one. (Unless it's become a gay bar in the meantime. :) - Andy From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 1 08:16:10 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:16:10 GMT Subject: HW Tour Books: how available are they? In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:08:08 -0500 Message-ID: cjohnson writes: > Being a True Kollector of all things Hawkwind, I've picked up about > half of the Tour Books shown in the "Collectors Guide". The > obvious implication is that I cannot rest until I have all of them. > My question is probably directed more towards the UK contingent, > but is open to any with info. > > How common are the old HW Tour Books? Do they show up pretty > regularly at record shows or in Record Collector? If so, which > ones are more common, and what prices should one expect to pay? The common ones usually go for between 8 and 15 Pounds. In this category would come the 1988, Levitation, Masters of the Universe, and Quark programmes. Astounding, Masques, Space Ritual, and the Warrior programmes are rarer. The one I've been unable to get is the Spring Tour 1976 one in the plain cover (various colours). If anyone wants to sell this, I would of course be very interested. > > Only twice have I ever seen HW tour books come up for sale in > Goldmine, and one of those is a company in England that regularly > advertises in RC. The US prices I have seen are typically $20-25 > each for the early eighties books, with $30-40 for "Choose Your > Masques". > > Do HW tour books from the early seventies ever surface? Very rarely. > Captain Cloud > cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com FoFP From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 1 08:16:49 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:16:49 EST Subject: BOC: D&S Message-ID: > I disagree with AB about "D&S", his saying that they should > never play it again. First of all, Al stopped singing the song > live somewhere around '74-'76 anyway (why I don't know, I asked > Al once, but he never answered). I always liked the way Eyes > did it anyway. Not as good, no, but he adds his own style to > it. > And, I don't think you'd say that, AB, if you'd heard the > 6/24/86 at the Troc version - masterful! The riff is bent out > of original shape, and Buck goes off into a solo like he never > played before...which builds back into the "In Times Square > now..." part. It's gotta be 2OC at their best! > > Chuck I'm with you Chuck. I actually prefer Eric on D&S. I think his voice and vocal style suit the song better than Al. I do agree that Albert is much better on 'Cites on Flame.' Best D&S performance I ever heard was in Utica NY (of all places) ca. '77. Unfortunately, a member of our party chose that moment to pass out, and we had to go out in the hall and walk it off him! Incredibly crescendo w/ Allen on keys dueling with Buck during the Dominance and Submission call and response. unforgettable. theo From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 1 08:17:44 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:17:44 GMT Subject: OFFTOP: Gong US tour?? In-Reply-To: Keith A Henderson's message of Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:31:43 -0500 Message-ID: Keith A Henderson writes: > Hi Folks: > > Just saw this posted on the rec.music.progressive newsgroup. Sounds fantastic! > Coutesy of Malcolm Humes, I think. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Hi all you pixies and gong-o-philes, > > I have news from credible folks that a Gong US tour is planned > for March, with a couple of New York and other shows supposedly > already booked. > > This is supposed to be a variation on the Gong 25th Anniv. Classic > lineup - rumored to be teleporting in are Daevid and Gilli, Mike > Howlett(!), Tim Blake and Pip Pyle, with Steffi Sharpstings on > gitfish. Supposedly they'll all bus 'round the US of A in a big way > for a month or so. Possible variation is that Daevid's son might be > drumming instead of Pip. > > Strong and Streamin' - this would be the first Gong tour of the > classic ilk in the US since, uh, I forget. Mid 70's? A once > in a lifetime show for folks like me that couldn't afford to hop a > plane for last years anniversary bash! > If anyone gets 'em, I'd be interested in any live tapes featuring Blake, particularly solo spots. FoFP From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Fri Dec 1 08:15:54 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:15:54 +0000 Subject: BOC: London gig In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 01 Dec 1995 13:08:00 GMT." Message-ID: > > > > How about the Bull & Gate, just before you get to the Forum (if you've > > > come by tube)? Seven o'clock-ish? (They have a small venue at the > > > back > > > > Is that the Irish pub right next door? > > Aren't all the pubs in Kentish Town Irish? :) But, yeah, I think we mean > the same one. (Unless it's become a gay bar in the meantime. :) Right, I will act as boc-l fusion if you don't recognise each other. I'll hope to be there ~ 7pm, after a day of undoubtedly excessive CD purchasing in London :) I just got my ticket, apparently BOC are supported by Stone. Err, who the hell are they ? Hope its better than George T's support ! Tim From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 1 08:19:50 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:19:50 GMT Subject: Oh My! What a crock! In-Reply-To: Lurking Girl's message of Thu, 30 Nov 1995 21:50:21 -0500 Message-ID: > Paul (that's Dr. Mather to you, bunky) has amply proved his worth to the > list over the past five years. Everyone's had quite enough time to Thank you Tori. You've just said everything I was thinking of saying only better and more pertinently. cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 1 08:22:48 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:22:48 EST Subject: I like coffee too, but............... Message-ID: > And dear Dr, if you happen to read this, I can't find anything wrong with > using smileys. When I started writing letters on Internet I thought it > looked rather childish with these characters, as I knew myself of being a > master of handling irony and sarcasm... Fast det framkommer bSigmattre nSigmar jag > skriver pRho svenska... > Yes,we use the english language, but I think even englishspoken persons use > the language somewhat differently depending where you're from. And Internet > is (accept it or not) actually more than an american playground. It's simply > not possible for everone to recognize and understand every subtile tone in a > ironic/humoristic sentence if it's in a language you were not born with. > It can do no harm using these helpful smiley-things in situations when you > don't want to be misinterpreted. The doctors could always chose to close > their eyes at the end of the line:-n. > > Dan (much too humble for his own good) Lindfors Dan, Don't you think there's a temptation to rely upon computerspeak to replace verbal/written creativity? Writers got along for centuries without computer hieroglyphs. If I read Dr. Bob right (or leftist!) he's saying we're all intelligent enough to get the irony in each others posts. This is a pretty intelligent bunch. Even a non- doctoral subhuman like me can figure that out. And what's wrong with a little ambiguity anyway? It certainly makes for a more interesting discourse when things aren't spelled out. theo From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 1 08:26:37 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:26:37 EST Subject: I like coffee too, but............... Message-ID: > >Um - got carried away there... > > > >- Andy > > > Too much of that earl grey stuff? :-) > > Dan Yeah, fire up the pot and get that Earl Grey tearing right through you! From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 1 08:28:44 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:28:44 EST Subject: BOC: Buck's surf music influences Message-ID: > >Funny, because I always thought I heard some PAGE in some of > >the soloing in "Hot Rails To Hell"... > > > >Chuck > > > I read somewhere that Buck did not enjoy what Page was performing live, but > loved the studio-Page. > > Dan I think he said that in the aforementioned 'Guitar Player' article from way back. When I bought my first copy of BOC, there was a sticker on it with rave reviews, and one blurb cited Buck as 'Jimmy Page's favorite guitarist.' go figure. theo From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Dec 1 08:40:57 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:40:57 -0500 Subject: No coffee in a few days Message-ID: >The signif of the 4th of November is such that Albert thought it is/was >Election Day! Oh, well. Now the significance is that it is mentioned in the song! =20 >PS-Where did you find Eponymous? It was at a "Best Buy" store, which is not specifically a music store... I wasn't specifically looking for it there, but picked it up when I saw it (something I probably wouldn't have done if it weren't for what I've heard here on BOC-L, BTW...). Just passing by, glanced over their B=D6C stuff,= and noticed it. Convenient that Brain comes soon after Blue alphabetically... ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater =20 Kingdom of the Burning Lands From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 1 08:54:31 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:54:31 EST Subject: Lemmy Message-ID: HW fans: Have you caught the Lemmy collaboration on Ozzy's new one? It's called 'See you on the other side.' From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Fri Dec 1 08:58:11 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:58:11 EST Subject: BOC: Buck's surf music influences Message-ID: The part of the song I'm refering to is the trademark surf song run during the section of Hot Rails before it hits the high stuff at the end. I also thought the stuff at the end had a surf feel, though not necessarily a direct influence. Now that I think about it, since Joe wrote the song maybe Buck had nothing to do with that particular run and instead is a testament to Joe's surf music influences! Ok, I'm pushing it a little... Not even a huge fan of surf music, Brian From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Dec 1 09:22:44 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:22:44 -0500 Subject: BOC at Sunrise Message-ID: Just caught BOC last night (Nov 30) at Sunrise, FL. Great show, definitely worth going to... They playeed: SttS, DrM, O'Dd, ETI, Redcap, I'd like to see you in black (finally got to hear it, sounded great), Take me Away, Flaming Telepaths, CoF, LDoM, In Thee, LitH, BFY, Godzilla, DFtR, D&S, and tR&tB.... Notes & Observations: Mic was messed up during the first two numbers, couldn't hear anything Eric said... Allen didn't seem to be that happy to be there, but maybe that's the way he always looks. During DFtR, he did something that caused Eric to turn around apparently in anger, either gesturing or shouting something, and he seemed to be upset after that moreso, but I couldn't tell. It sounded okay to me... In Thee sounded out of tune. On alt.music.blueoystercult someone mentioned that they'd been missing their acoustic equipment, but they had some here... Wasn't so much the equipment, that the vocal chorus (Eric, Buck, and bass (Danny Miranda)) didn't come across that well... I like the song, but it seemed out of place. As soon as it was over (the place had quieted down a bit), Eric said "and now for something completely different" which of course was met by cheers... They started almost an hour late... The only f/x used was a strobe on Eric during Flaming Telepaths, but it was effective... Buck was drinking from what looked like a small wineglass all night, only stuff I saw anyone drinking... Someone managed to toss a long thin balloon on stage after several attempts, which Eric grabbed and managed to mess up the drummer with it (John O'Rielly, I think)... Apart from that, a great show. ETI, Telepaths, Cities, Last Days, and the encores (D&S, R&B) sounded particularly good, as did I'd like to see you in black. I heard someone comment about it being lyrically weak, but I couldn't pick up enough to tell.... Anyways, great show. I think they're headed to Melbourne next, where someone on here mentioned they'd be... ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Dec 1 10:42:20 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 10:42:20 -0500 Subject: I like coffee too, but............... In-Reply-To: <56DE0AB2A16@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Dec 1, 95 08:22:48 am Message-ID: Ted O. Jackson writes: > > Don't you think there's a temptation to rely upon computerspeak to > replace verbal/written creativity? Writers got along for centuries > without computer hieroglyphs. But writers got along for centuries by using formal writing conventions. Online, however, people tend to write conversationally to each other, and be much more casual about their use of language. It's entirely possible, even among very bright people, for irony to come off sounding like belligerence. Trust me on this, I've seen it happen even between the most intelligent and literate of people. There's a damn good enough reason for those "hieroglyphics" - they were invented by some very bright people to answer a definite need. You'll probably start using them, too, after you've been grossly misunderstood a few times, and possibly made enemies out of people that you intended to share a friendly joke with. Steve From mbraun at HYDRA.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM Fri Dec 1 11:38:27 1995 From: mbraun at HYDRA.URBANA.MCD.MOT.COM (Matthew Braun) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 10:38:27 CST Subject: Multiple Topics & Gil Blanco County In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 01 Dec 95 05:00:00 EST." <199512011000.FAA23086@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes: >"Bad OATS in town"?? I thought it was "Bad Folks", referring to >the narrator, which is why he left town... Like he was gonna >get lynched or something... Nope--according to the lyrics Al posted on 14th July 1994, it's Bad Oats in town The word went put So my horse and me we left town Rode my Palomino down Of course, the "put" should be "out", (what with 'o' and 'p' being next to each other on the keyboard--it's a typo) but... No, I have no idea what it means... Maybe the narrator poisoned the other horses in town, to make his own getaway. :-) m@ +-mbraun at urbana.mcd.mot.com-+--Bad oats in town ------------------------------+ | Matt Braun -- Motorola, | The word went out | | Urbana, IL Design Centre | So my horse and me, we left town | +---Special Projects Team---+--- Rode my Palomino down. ------------[SP/AB]--+ From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Fri Dec 1 13:46:44 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:46:44 -0100 Subject: I like coffee too, but............... Message-ID: Ted wrote: >Dan, >Don't you think there's a temptation to rely upon computerspeak to >replace verbal/written creativity? I could agree with that in some cases, yes. I don't like computerspeak in general, of course not. Some (not all) of those abbreviations for instance you could easily skip. If it feels uncomfortable typing the full expression you could probably do without it. >Writers got along for centuries without computer hieroglyphs. Yes, and that's _exactly_ why their readers often have different views of the meaning of their work. (If your'e thinking of writers of the letters in the old days, I believe they used a very polite language when they wrote to strangers they wanted to be friendly with.) >If I read Dr. Bob right (or leftist!) >he's saying we're all intelligent enough to get the irony in each >others posts. Yes, but do you read him right? When I hear an aggressive voice, I don't always assume that he is using irony. If the voice did not mean to be aggressive, and the readers don't get the irony, the fault is not in the readers. If you want to communicate something you have to adjust to the level of the audience, even if it would mean bending uncomfortably low. >This is a pretty intelligent bunch. Yes, like the Band(s) we like. >Even a non-doctoral subhuman like me can figure that out. Don't underestimate yourself. >And what's wrong withm a little ambiguity anyway? Nothing but! >It certainly makes for a more interesting discourse when things aren't spelled out. >theo > Well this have been quite interesting, and now I won't spell out more on this subject 'cause I'm beginning to hear a tone in my own voice that I don't like. More music maestro! Thanks Dan From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Dec 1 12:42:39 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:42:39 +0000 Subject: OFF: death of war (was Re: Oh My My! Such language) In-Reply-To: <55FAB4F736B@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Nov 30, 95 06:10:21 pm Message-ID: > > I agree totally...if one is going to use abusive language towards another > > individual, move it into private Email...whomever moderates this list should > > remove frequent offenders from the list... > > > Amen,amen. And remember what started all the flaming--a couple of > jokes about smiley faces and IMHO. How could anyone feel so strongly > defending such worthless stuff. That'd be like wanting to fight > someone 'cause he called your Yugo a piece of shit! There was a time when no matter _what_ opinions a fellow boc-l'r held that any thing remotely like a flame would have been considered unthinkable (at least). It is a shame that people are of a lesser character now than before. To paraphrase the song, it may be that everyone is guilty, but it also seems to me that not everyone is bad ... Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Dec 1 12:57:16 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:57:16 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: I like coffee too, but............... In-Reply-To: <56DE0AB2A16@hawk.syr.edu> from "Ted O. Jackson" at Dec 1, 95 08:22:48 am Message-ID: > > And dear Dr, if you happen to read this, I can't find anything wrong with > > using smileys. > > Don't you think there's a temptation to rely upon computerspeak to > replace verbal/written creativity? Writers got along for centuries > without computer hieroglyphs. If I read Dr. Bob right (or leftist!) > he's saying we're all intelligent enough to get the irony in each > others posts. This is a pretty intelligent bunch. For heaven's sake this has gone on long enough! This is supposed to be a BOC/HW email list! A certain amount of clearly related off-topic stuff is one thing, and even a bit of totally random stuff is not so bad, but can those with strong opinions about "computerspeak" one way or the other (and caffinated breakfast beverages, and all the rest of the rubbish) bring themselves to tone it down a bit! I have no trouble understanding people who either do or do not use "computerspeak" and if anyone else feels like they are lacking understanding due to its use or non-use I suggest the contact the originator of the message privately through the communication medium of their choice and request further illumination! Carl From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Dec 1 13:17:19 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:17:19 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: I like coffee too, but..THiS iS YouR CaPTaiN... In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Dec 1, 95 05:57:16 pm Message-ID: THiS iS YouR CaPTaiN SPeaKiNG... THiS ToPiC iS DeaD, THiS ToPiC iS DeaD, THiS ToPiC iS DeaD... eND THeSe FooLiSH ToPiCS NoW oR FaCe MY WRaTH! ReTuRN tO THe PRiMaRY MiSSioN aSSiGNeD aT oNCe... TRaNSMiSSioN eNDS... (apologies to the BOC'ers that don't get the HW reference, but you are smart enough to figure the message out!) oh yeah, ;-) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 "...Why can't we all just get along?" From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Dec 1 13:24:25 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 18:24:25 +0000 Subject: BOC: Buck's surf music influences In-Reply-To: <199512011220.NAA21733@plato.algonet.se> from "Dan Lindfors" at Dec 1, 95 01:20:35 pm Message-ID: > I read somewhere that Buck did not enjoy what Page was performing live, but > loved the studio-Page. Page is brilliant at production. I mean the recorded corpus of Zep production is really pretty incredible from that standpoint. The down side is that while he might have half a dozen carefully engineered guitar tracks on the studio recording, there was still just himself doing it live. As Zep pieces became more complex, they sounded more like _shite_ live, but the earlier more simply arranged songs still came off in concert very well. Carl From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Dec 1 13:32:11 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:32:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Re: I like coffee too, but............... In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Dec 1, 95 05:57:16 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > > I have no trouble understanding people who either do or > do not use "computerspeak" and if anyone else feels like they are > lacking understanding due to its use or non-use I suggest the contact > the originator of the message privately through the communication > medium of their choice and request further illumination! Carl, You forgot to add a smiley. Steve From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 1 13:40:03 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:40:03 EST Subject: off: led zep Message-ID: > doing it live. As Zep pieces became more complex, they sounded more > like _shite_ live, but the earlier more simply arranged songs still > came off in concert very well. > > Carl Still, I think I'd prefer they try to plow through them live than resort to the kind of thing Rush used to do: have everyone stomping around on synth pedals trying to recreat the studio stuff so faithfully. Better to pare down the production to the essentials. Even if it sounds spare, it's still Pagey's gtr playing that's doing the talking. theo From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Dec 1 13:43:39 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:43:39 -0500 Subject: Oh My! What a crock! Message-ID: In a message dated 95-11-30 21:55:33 EST, you write: >You can't have it both ways. Either it's a strictly-moderated list >or it isn't. If it is, it applies to you (plural; not ROBO in >particular) as well as those you disagree with. This is everyone's >playpen, or no one's. > >Tori I don't think this list should turn into an Auschwitz...but there have to be SOME guidelines laid down unless we all want a chaotic list where volume doesn't matter and content can range from BOC to bowel movements... ROBO From tori at PANIX.COM Fri Dec 1 14:13:24 1995 From: tori at PANIX.COM (Lurking Girl) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 14:13:24 -0500 Subject: Oh My! What a crock! In-Reply-To: <951201134337_122151221@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Rob Maerz wrote: > I don't think this list should turn into an Auschwitz...but there have to be > SOME guidelines laid down unless we all want a chaotic list where volume > doesn't matter and content can range from BOC to bowel movements... It already is. :-/ In fact, those guidelines exist. They are in the auto-mailing that the listserver sends out when a person is subscribed. Unfortunately, no one seems to be paying attention to 'em. Tori From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Fri Dec 1 14:18:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 19:18:00 GMT Subject: NIK: Anubian Lights Message-ID: Finally found a copy in Virgin yesterday. Hmm. Not unpleasant, but, IMO, I think you'd do better checking the "world music" section for some genuine Arab music. It seems to me that Nik keeps trying to recapture what I think was his finest hour as a solo artist, _Xitintoday_; it's a shame it's still unavailable. - Andy ObTapeIHadStolenFromMyCar,Dammit: various artists - _Nagoum el Shark 2_ (loose translation - "Now that's what I call Egyptian music 2") From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Dec 1 13:40:15 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 18:40:15 +0000 Subject: OFF: Re: I like coffee too, but............... In-Reply-To: <199512011832.NAA23484@mindvox.phantom.com> from "Stephen Swann" at Dec 1, 95 01:32:11 pm Message-ID: > > I have no trouble understanding people who either do or > > do not use "computerspeak" and if anyone else feels like they are > > lacking understanding due to its use or non-use I suggest the contact > > the originator of the message privately through the communication > > medium of their choice and request further illumination! > > Carl, > You forgot to add a smiley. Six, six, six! The devil got my smiley! Six, six, six! He regards it very highly! :P Cheers, Carl From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Dec 1 17:30:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 14:30:00 PST Subject: Updated Directory Message-ID: [[ BOCHWD.DOC : 3675 in BOCHWD.DOC ]][[ BOCHWD.TXT : 3676 in BOCHWD.TXT ]] The above attachments reflect recent additions and corrections to the BOC/HW directory. One attachment is MS Word 6.0 the other Dos Text, so choose your poison carefully. Also if you are having any trouble accessing either attachment please contact me to see if I can provide you a format that works. This should be done by private e-mail. Please note the following: DK Hardman - E-mail address has been updated Rodger Shrubstaff & Rich Hamel have been added. Martyn White E-mail address updated (sorry Martyn we don't have a field for Nikwind but if folks would rather see a HW/BOC relations sorting, I don't mind slaving away to create such a thing, provided these types of changes are limited to Nikwind and the Brain Surgeons. We can let the populace rule on this issue and who the relatives of each band should be. Votes should be sent to me directly to avoid excessive noise on the list. Thanks). Please folks if possible remember to use the directory for messages best said in private and further remeber that people have submitted this information for the benefit of those on this list. The directory should be used responsibly and be kept reasonably secure by receipients. Thanks. AB The following binary file has been uuencoded to ensure successful transmission. Use UUDECODE to extract. begin 600 BOCHWD.DOC MT,\1X*&Q&N$`````````````````````.P`#`/[_"0`&```````````````! M`````0``````````$````@````$```#^____``````````#_____________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M_______________________]____$0```/[___\2````!0````8````'```` M"`````D````*````"P````P````-````#@````\````0````$P```/[____^ M____%````!4````6````%P```!@````9````&@```!L````<````'0```!X` M```?````(````"$````B````(P```"0````E````)@```"<````H````_O__ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M_____________________________________________U(`;P!O`'0`(`!% M`&X`=`!R`'D````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````6``4`__________\#``````D"``````#`````````1@`````` M`````````(:(A#3XO[H!`P```(`#`````````0!#`&\`;0!P`$\`8@!J```` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M`!(``@'_______________\````````````````````````````````````` M````````````````8@````````!7`&\`<@!D`$0`;P!C`'4`;0!E`&X`=``` M````````````````````````````````````````````````````&@`"`?__ M__\$````_____P`````````````````````````````````````````````` M``0```"J10```````$\`8@!J`&4`8P!T`%``;P!O`&P````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````6``$!`0````(```#_ M____``````````````````````````"&B(0T^+^Z`8:(A#3XO[H!`````-0- M-!1`!-0-`0```/[___\#````!`````4````&````!P````@````)````"@`` M``L````,````#0```/[_________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M______________________________\!`/[_`PH``/____\`"0(``````,`` M``````!&'````$UI8W)O````+````$),544 at 3UE35$52($-53%0 at +R!(05=+ M5TE.1"!,25-4($1)4D5#5$]260D``````````````````````!X````2```` M061R86EN(%(N($)R979A6X at 0W)O=VQE>0=#87)O!S(Q!T)/0P=C8W)O=VQE>4!M=&AO;'EO:V4N961U M!P0=*0@@<',S$'0D]#!TIO:&Y?4W=A M60',C<'0D]#!W-T87)G87IE0&AE=F%N970N M8V]M!P"YN970'!S,P!TUA65S!U)2!S,U!T)/0P=297EE75R:2!G86=A0=3 M:&EP!S,Y!TA!5TM724Y$!V-R86EG7)A;6ED+F-O;0<',30'0VAR:7,@ M0F%T97,'0VAR:7,',S$'2$%72U=)3D0'8RYD+F)A=&5S0'-H=2YA8RYU:P<' M,34'0VAR:7, at 0F%X;&5Y(`<',S0'2$%72U=)3D0'8VAR:7-?8F%X;&5Y($`@ M6UU70'1'5K904!Z+6-O M9&4N8V]M+"!W:6YG;T!W96QL+F-O;0<',C8'1W5I9&\@5F%C86YO!PF%R+"!*<@<' M,S4'2$%72U=)3D0':F=U:7IAF%R0&5P:7 at N;F5T!PF]N82YE9'4'!S,T!TME:71H($)AFEE<@<',S4'2$%72U=) M3D0'!P0=7:71H($-A6-H900<',S`'2$%72U=)3D0' M;RYB;VEG97E`=&5C:&QI;FLN9G('!S0U!U!A=6P at 5V%R9`=!'(U0&%O;"YC;VT@*&)U="!M87EB M92!S;V]N('-W:71C:&EN9R!T;P<'-#@'4V-O='0 at 2&5L;&5R!P7,N8V]M!P2!0;V]T!T0M4FED97(',S4'2$%72U=)3D0'='!`:F1T+F-O;0<'-3,' M5FEN8V4 at 3&5'"AL1KA```````````````` M`````#L``P#^_PD`!@```````````````0````$``````````!````(````! M````_O___P``````````________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M________________________________________________!0!3`'4`;0!M M`&$`<@!Y`$D`;@!F`&\`<@!M`&$`=`!I`&\`;@`````````````````````` M`````````````"@``@#_______________\````````````````````````` M```````````````````````"``````,````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M`````````/_______________P`````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M________________```````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M``````````````````````````````````````````````````#_________ M______\````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M``````````!I;B!2+B!"````$P```$UI8W)O`````@```#$````````````````````````````````````#```` M``````````````````````````````````````````#_________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M_________________________________P`#```!`P``*P,``$`#``!?`P`` M7Q@``&`8``#\]?SO_``````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````+58%6 at 5T"`%X!8@$,58%6 at 5T"`&(!8Q@```5=`@!B`0`&``,` M``$#```L`P``+0,``"X#```O`P``,`,``#$#```R`P``,P,``#0#```U`P`` M-@,``#<#```X`P``.0,``#H#```[`P``/`,``#T#```^`P``/P,``$`#``!% M`P``3`,``%`#``!8`P``7P,``&`#``!B`P``<@,``/P``94#Y@#Y``*J%!L! M_``!JA3F`/P``:H4Y@#P``&2!>8`_``!/1;F`,P``3T6Y@#\``&5`^8`_``! MU0CF`/P``=X(Y@#\``%^`N8`_``!D at 7F`/P``3T6Y@"\``$]%N8`_``!E0/F M`/P``5T(Y@#\``%0"N8`_``!A0'F`/P``9(%Y@#\``$]%N8`K``!/1;F`/P` M`94#Y@#Y``'5".L`^0`!W at CK`/D``7X"ZP#Y``&2!>L`J``!/1;K`+P``3T6 MZP#\``&5`^8`^0`!U0CF`````P``!0$8`0`/```8`1D!N!X`O?H`OA``!N+_ MM0-.#-H6G!AK'N0T``\``!@!&0&X'@"]^@"^$``&XO^U`\0,X!6<&&L>Y#0` M(P``&`$9`;@>`+WZ`+XX``;B_[4#Q`S@%9P8:Q[D-``````````````!```` M`````````@````````````(`````````````"```!0(0H?\1G`$3C@`8`0`` M`@``&`$``P``!0(8`1YR`P``B@,``(T#``"1`P``H0,``*(#``"D`P``LP,` M`+8#``"Y`P``O0,``.8#``#G`P``Z0,``/,#``#T`P``]P,``/L#```1!``` M$@0``!0$```?!```)P0``"H$```N!```1`0``$4$``!'!```3P0``%`$``!3 M!```5P0``%@$``!9!```6P0``&H$``!K!```;@0``'($``"-!```C at 0``)`$ M``#]``'>".8`^0`!?@+F`/4``9(%Y@#U``$]%N8`Y0`!/1;F`/D``94#Y@#] M``'5".8`_0`!W at CF`/D``7X"Y@#U``&2!>8`]0`!/1;F`.4``3T6Y@#Y``&5 M`^8`_0`!U0CF`/D``=X(Y@#Y``%^`N8`]0`!D at 7F`/4``3T6Y@#E``$]%N8` M^0`!E0/F`/T``=4(Y@#]``'>".8`^0`!?@+F`/4``9(%Y@#U``$]%N8`Y0`! M/1;F`/D``94#Y@#]``'5".8`^0`!W at CF`/D``7X"Y@#U``&2!>8`]0`!/1;F M`.4``3T6Y@#Y``&5`^8`_0`!U0CF`/D``=X(Y@#Y``%^`N8`]0`!D at 7F`/4` M`3T6Y@#E``$]%N8`^0`!E0/F``````\``!@!&0&X'@"]^@"^$``&XO^U`\0, MX!6<&&L>Y#0``P``!0$8`0`#```%`A@!``(``!@!*9`$``">!```GP0``*($ M``"F!```O`0``+T$``"_!```SP0``-0$``#7!```VP0``/($``#S!```]00` M``,%```".8`^0`!?@+F`/4``9(%Y@#U``$]%N8`Y0`! M/1;F`/D``94#Y@#]``'5".8`_0`!W at CF`/D``7X"Y@#U``&2!>8`]0`!/1;F M`.4``3T6Y@#Y``&5`^8`_0`!U0CF`/T``=X(Y@#Y``%^`N8`]0`!D at 7F`/4` M`3T6Y@#E``$]%N8`^0`!E0/F`/T``=4(Y@#Y``'>".8`^0`!?@+F`/4``9(% MY@#U``$]%N8`U0`!/1;F`/D``94#Y@#]``'5".8`^0`!W at CF`/D``7X"Y@#U M``&2!>8`]0`!/1;F`.4``3T6Y@#Y``&5`^8`_0`!U0CF`/T``=X(Y@#Y``%^ M`N8```````\``!@!&0&X'@"]`P&^$``&XO^U`\0,X!6<&&L>Y#0`#P``&`$9 M`;@>`+WZ`+X0``;B_[4#Q`S@%9P8:Q[D-``#```%`1@!``,```4"&`$``@`` M&`$FM at 4``+H%``#*!0``RP4``,X%``#;!0``W`4``-\%``#C!0``Y`4``.4% M``#H!0``]@4``/<%``#Z!0``_ at 4``!4&```6!@``&08``"<&```K!@``+ at 8` M`#(&```]!@``/@8``$$&``!/!@``4 at 8``%4&``!9!@``6 at 8``%L&``!>!@`` M;`8``&T&``!P!@``=`8``(4&``"&!@``B08``)@&``"@!@``_``!D at 7F`/P` M`3T6Y@#L``$]%N8`Z``!E0/F`.4``=4(Y@#H``'>".8`Z``!?@+F`/P``9(% MY@#\``$]%N8`[``!/1;F`.@``94#Y@#E``'5".8`Z``!W at CF`.@``7X"Y@#\ M``&2!>8`_``!/1;F`.P``3T6Y@#H``&5`^8`Y0`!U0CF`.4``=X(Y@#H``%^ M`N8`_``!D at 7F`/P``3T6Y@#L``$]%N8`Z``!E0/F`.4``=4(Y@#E``'>".8` MZ``!?@+F`/P``9(%Y@#\``$]%N8`[``!/1;F`.@``94#Y@#E``'5".8`Z``! MW at CF`.@``7X"Y@#\``&2!>8`_``!/1;F`.P``3T6Y@#H``&5`^8`Y0`!U0CF M`.4``=X(Y@`````"```8`0`#```%`A@!``\``!@!&0&X'@"]^@"^$``&XO^U M`\0,X!6<&&L>Y#0``P``!0$8`2F@!@``HP8``*<&``"X!@``N08``+P&``#' M!@``VP8``-X&``#B!@``^P8``/P&``#_!@``"@<```L'```.!P``$@<``"X' M```O!P``,@<``$`'``!!!P``1`<``$@'``!;!P``7`<``%\'``!N!P``;P<` M`'('``!V!P``AP<``(@'``"+!P``E@<``)D'``"".8`_``!?@+F`/@``9(%Y@#X``$]%N8`Z``!/1;F`/P``94# MY@#E``'5".8`_``!W at CF`/P``7X"Y@#X``&2!>8`^``!/1;F`.@``3T6Y@#\ M``&5`^8`Y0`!U0CF`/P``=X(Y@#\``%^`N8`^``!D at 7F`/@``3T6Y@#H``$] M%N8`_``!E0/F`.4``=4(Y@#\``'>".8`_``!?@+F`/@``9(%Y@#X``$]%N8` MZ``!/1;F`/P``94#Y@#E``'5".8`Y0`!W at CF`/P``7X"Y@#X``&2!>8`^``! M/1;F`.@``3T6Y@#\``&5`^8`Y0`!U0CF``````(``!@!``\``!@!&0&X'@"] M^@"^$``&XO^U`\0,X!6<&&L>Y#0``P``!0$8`0`#```%`A@!*;$'``"R!P`` MM0<``+D'``#7!P``V`<``-L'``#I!P``\@<``/,'``#W!P``#0@```X(```1 M"```'0@``",(```F"```*@@``#T(```^"```00@``%4(``!6"```60@``%T( M``!N"```;P@``'((``!_"```B@@``(T(``"1"```I@@``*<(``"J"```M@@` M`+L(``"^"```P@@``-4(``#6"```V0@``/P``=X(Y@#\``%^`N8`^``!D at 7F M`/@``3T6Y@#H``$]%N8`_``!E0/F`.4``=4(Y@#E``'>".8`_``!?@+F`/@` M`9(%Y@#X``$]%N8`Z``!/1;F`/P``94#Y@#E``'5".8`Y0`!W at CF`/P``7X" MY@#X``&2!>8`^``!/1;F`.@``3T6Y@#\``&5`^8`Y0`!U0CF`/P``=X(Y@#\ M``%^`N8`^``!D at 7F`/@``3T6Y@#H``$]%N8`_``!E0/F`.4``=4(Y@#E``'> M".8`_``!?@+F`/@``9(%Y@#X``$]%N8`Z``!/1;F`/P``94#Y@#E``'5".8` MY0`!W at CF`/P``7X"Y@#X``&2!>8`^``!/1;F`.@``3T6Y@#\``&5`^8````` M`@``&`$`#P``&`$9`;@>`+WZ`+X0``;B_[4#Q`S@%9P8:Q[D-``#```%`1@! M``,```4"&`$IV0@``.<(``#V"```^0@```()```7"0``&`D``!L)```I"0`` M*@D``"T)```Q"0``4`D``%$)``!4"0``8`D``&$)``!D"0``:`D``'\)``"` M"0``@PD``)`)``"1"0``E`D``)@)``"K"0``K`D``*\)``#`"0``P0D``,0) M``#("0``X0D``.()``#E"0``]@D``/X)```!"@``!0H```8*```'"@``_0`! MU0CF`/T``=X(Y@#Y``%^`N8`]0`!D at 7F`/4``3T6Y@#E``$]%N8`^0`!E0/F M`/T``=4(Y@#Y``'>".8`^0`!?@+F`/4``9(%Y@#U``$]%N8`Y0`!/1;F`/D` M`94#Y@#]``'5".8`^0`!W at CF`/D``7X"Y@#U``&2!>8`]0`!/1;F`.4``3T6 MY@#Y``&5`^8`_0`!U0CF`/D``=X(Y@#Y``%^`N8`]0`!D at 7F`/4``3T6Y@#E M``$]%N8`^0`!E0/F`/T``=4(Y@#Y``'>".8`^0`!?@+F`/4``9(%Y@#U``$] M%N8`Y0`!/1;F`/D``94#Y@#]``'5".8`_0`!W at CF`/D``7X"Y@#U``&2!>8` M]0`!/1;F`.4``3T6Y@`````/```8`1D!N!X`O?H`OA``!N+_M0/$#.`5G!AK M'N0T``,```4!&`$``P``!0(8`0`"```8`2D'"@``"@H``!4*```:"@``'0H` M`"$*```O"@``,`H``#,*```_"@``1PH``$H*``!."@``8`H``&$*``!D"@`` M;@H``'<*``!Z"@``?@H``)(*``"3"@``E at H``*$*``"D"@``IPH``*L*``#$ M"@``Q0H``,@*``#6"@``W`H``-\*``#C"@``Y`H``.4*``#H"@``]0H``/8* M``#W"@``^PH```\+``#\``&5`^8`^0`!U0CF`/D``=X(Y@#\``%^`N8`]0`! MD at 7F`/4``3T6Y@#E``$]%N8`_``!E0/F`/D``=4(Y@#Y``'>".8`_``!?@+F M`/4``9(%Y@#U``$]%N8`Y0`!/1;F`/P``94#Y@#Y``'5".8`^0`!W at CF`/P` M`7X"Y@#U``&2!>8`]0`!/1;F`.4``3T6Y@#\``&5`^8`^0`!U0CF`/D``=X( MY@#\``%^`N8`]0`!D at 7F`/4``3T6Y@#E``$]%N8`_``!E0/F`/D``=4(Y@#Y M``'>".8`_``!?@+F`/4``9(%Y@#U``$]%N8`Y0`!/1;F`/P``94#Y@#Y``'5 M".8`_``!W at CF`/P``7X"Y@#U``&2!>8`]0`!/1;F``````\``!@!&0&X'@"] M^@"^$``&XO^U`\0,X!6<&&L>Y#0``P``!0$8`0`"```8`0`#```%`A@!*0\+ M```0"P``$PL``!\+```F"P``*0L``"T+``!!"P``0 at L``$4+``!4"P``7 at L` M`&$+``!E"P``>`L``'D+``!\"P``C`L``)$+``"4"P``F`L``*X+``"O"P`` ML at L``,`+``#."P``T0L``-4+``#H"P``Z0L``.P+``#V"P``^@L``/L+``#_ M"P``$PP``!0,```7#```(@P``"L,```N#```, at P``/```3T6Y@#L``&5`^8` MZ0`!U0CF`.D``=X(Y@#L``%^`N8`Y0`!D at 7F`.4``3T6Y@#P``$]%N8`[``! ME0/F`.D``=4(Y@#I``'>".8`[``!?@+F`.4``9(%Y@#E``$]%N8`\``!/1;F M`.P``94#Y@#I``'5".8`Z0`!W at CF`.P``7X"Y@#E``&2!>8`Y0`!/1;F`/`` M`3T6Y@#L``&5`^8`Z0`!U0CF`.D``=X(Y@#L``%^`N8`Y0`!D at 7F`.4``3T6 MY@#P``$]%N8`[``!E0/F`.D``=4(Y@#I``'>".8`[``!?@+F`.4``9(%Y@#E M``$]%N8`\``!/1;F`.P``94#Y@#I``'5".8`Z0`!W at CF`.P``7X"Y@#E``&2 M!>8``````P``!0$8`0`"```8`0`#```%`A@!``\``!@!&0&X'@"]^@"^$``& MXO^U`\0,X!6<&&L>Y#0I, at P``#,,```T#```- at P``$L,``!,#```30P``%8, M``!S#```=`P``'8,``"'#```FPP``)X,``"G#```Z`P``.D,``#K#```_`P` M``(-```%#0``#@T``"8-```G#0``*0T``#8-```W#0``. at T``$,-``!:#0`` M6PT``%T-``!K#0``>PT``'P-``"%#0``I at T``*<-``"I#0``O at T``,P-``#/ M#0``_``!/1;F`.P``3T6Y@#H``&5`^8`Y0`!U0CF`.@``=X(Y@#H``%^`N8` M_``!D at 7F`/P``3T6Y@#L``$]%N8`Z``!E0/F`.4``=4(Y@#E``'>".8`Z``! M?@+F`/P``9(%Y@#\``(]%N8`[``"/1;F`.@``94#Y@#E``'5".8`Y0`!W at CF M`.@``7X"Y@#\``&2!>8`_``!/1;F`.P``3T6Y@#H``&5`^8`Y0`!U0CF`.@` M`=X(Y@#H``%^`N8`_``!D at 7F`/P``3T6Y@#L``$]%N8`Z``!E0/F`.4``=4( MY@#E``'>".8`Z``!?@+F`/P``9(%Y@#\``$]%N8`[``!/1;F`.@``94#Y@#E M``'5".8`Y0`!W at CF`.@``7X"Y@`````"```8`0`#```%`A@!``\``!@!&0&X M'@"]^@"^$``&XO^U`\0,X!6<&&L>Y#0``P``!0$8`2G/#0``V`T``-D-``#: M#0``W`T``.X-``#O#0``\@T``/L-``#\#0``_0T``/\-```,#@``#0X``!`. M```9#@``&@X``!L.```=#@``*`X``#T.``!`#@``20X``%\.``!@#@``8PX` M`'@.``!Y#@``>@X``(,.``"7#@``F`X``)L.``"I#@``MPX``+H.``###@`` M[@X``.\.``#R#@```@\```,/``#\``&2!>8`_``!/1;F`.P``3T6Y@#H``&5 M`^8`Y0`!U0CF`.@``=X(Y@#H``%^`N8`_``!D at 7F`/P``3T6Y@#L``$]%N8` MZ``!E0/F`.4``=4(Y@#H``'>".8`Z``!?@+F`/P``9(%Y@#\``$]%N8`[``! M/1;F`.@``94#Y@#E``'5".8`Y0`!W at CF`.@``7X"Y@#\``&2!>8`_``!/1;F M`.P``3T6Y@#H``&5`^8`Y0`!U0CF`.@``=X(Y@#H``%^`N8`_``!D at 7F`/P` M`3T6Y@#L``$]%N8`Z``!E0/F`.4``=4(Y@#E``'>".8`Z``!?@+F`/P``9(% MY@#\``$]%N8`[``!/1;F`.@``94#Y@#E``'5".8`Z``!W at CF``````(``!@! M``,```4"&`$`#P``&`$9`;@>`+WZ`+X0``;B_[4#Q`S@%9P8:Q[D-``#```% M`1@!*0,/```&#P``#P\``!`/```1#P``%`\``"(/```G#P``*@\``#,/``!& M#P``1P\``$H/``!6#P``7`\``%\/``!H#P``?`\``'T/``"`#P``C@\``(\/ M``"2#P``FP\``+@/``"Y#P``O`\``,X/``#@#P``XP\``.P/```"$````Q`` M``80```1$```$A```!40```>$```'Q```"`0```C$```+A```/P``7X"Y@#X M``&2!>8`^``!/1;F`.@``3T6Y@#\``&5`^8`Y0`!U0CF`.4``=X(Y@#\``%^ M`N8`^``!D at 7F`/@``3T6Y@#H``$]%N8`_``!E0/F`.4``=4(Y@#E``'>".8` M_``!?@+F`/@``9(%Y@#X``$]%N8`Z``!/1;F`/P``94#Y@#E``'5".8`_``! MW at CF`/P``7X"Y@#X``&2!>8`^``!/1;F`.@``3T6Y@#\``&5`^8`Y0`!U0CF M`.4``=X(Y@#\``%^`N8`^``!D at 7F`/@``3T6Y@#H``$]%N8`_``!E0/F`.4` M`=4(Y@#\``'>".8`_``!?@+F`/@``9(%Y@#X``$]%N8`Z``!/1;F`/P``94# MY@#E``'5".8``````@``&`$`#P``&`$9`;@>`+WZ`+X0``;B_[4#Q`S@%9P8 M:Q[D-``#```%`1@!``,```4"&`$I+A```#00```U$```/A```%00``!5$``` M6!```&00``!E$```:!```'$0``",$```C1```)`0``"B$```HQ```*80``"O M$```L!```+$0``"T$```P1```-$0``#4$```W1```.X0``#O$```\A```/T0 M```"$0``!1$```X1```P$0``,1$``#01``!"$0``0Q$``$81``!/$0``:A$` M`&L1``!N$0``_0`!W at CF`/D``7X"Y@#U``&2!>8`]0`!/1;F`.4``3T6Y@#Y M``&5`^8`_0`!U0CF`/D``=X(Y@#Y``%^`N8`]0`!D at 7F`/4``3T6Y@#E``$] M%N8`^0`!E0/F`/T``=4(Y@#Y``'>".8`^0`!?@+F`/4``9(%Y@#U``$]%N8` MY0`!/1;F`/D``94#Y@#]``'5".8`_0`!W at CF`/D``7X"Y@#U``&2!>8`]0`! M/1;F`.4``3T6Y@#Y``&5`^8`_0`!U0CF`/T``=X(Y@#Y``%^`N8`]0`!D at 7F M`/4``3T6Y@#E``$]%N8`^0`!E0/F`/T``=4(Y@#Y``'>".8`^0`!?@+F`/4` M`9(%Y@#U``$]%N8`Y0`!/1;F`/D``94#Y@`````/```8`1D!N!X`O?H`OA`` M!N+_M0/$#.`5G!AK'N0T``,```4!&`$``P``!0(8`0`"```8`2EN$0``>1$` M`'H1``!]$0``AA$``)H1``";$0``GA$``*L1``"Q$0``M!$``+T1``#=$0`` MWA$``.$1``#N$0``[Q$``/(1``#[$0``_!$``/T1````$@``$!(``!$2```4 M$@``'1(``#<2```X$@``.Q(``$P2``!-$@``4!(``%D2``"'$@``B!(``(L2 M``";$@``H!(``*$2``"J$@``PA(``,,2``#]``'5".8`^0`!W at CF`/D``7X" MY@#U``&2!>8`]0`!/1;F`.4``3T6Y@#Y``&5`^8`_0`!U0CF`/T``=X(Y@#Y M``%^`N8`]0`!D at 7F`/4``3T6Y@#E``$]%N8`^0`!E0/F`/T``=4(Y@#Y``'> M".8`^0`!?@+F`/4``9(%Y@#U``$]%N8`Y0`!/1;F`/D``94#Y@#]``'5".8` M^0`!W at CF`/D``7X"Y@#U``&2!>8`]0`!/1;F`.4``3T6Y@#Y``&5`^8`_0`! MU0CF`/D``=X(Y@#Y``%^`N8`]0`!D at 7F`/4``3T6Y@#E``$]%N8`^0`!E0/F M`/T``=4(Y@#]``'>".8`^0`!?@+F`/4``9(%Y@#U``$]%N8`Y0`!/1;F```` M``\``!@!&0&X'@"]^@"^$``&XO^U`\0,X!6<&&L>Y#0``P``!0$8`0`#```% M`A@!``(``!@!*<,2``#&$@``U!(``-H2``#=$@``YA(``/\2````$P```Q,` M`!(3```3$P``%A,``!\3```\$P``/1,``$`3``!.$P``4Q,``%03``!=$P`` M<1,``'(3``!U$P``A1,``(83``")$P``DA,``+X3``"_$P``PA,``,\3``#0 M$P``TQ,``-P3``#S$P``]!,``/<3```%%```!A0```D4```2%```$Q0``/P` M`94#Y@#Y``'5".8`^0`!W at CF`/P``7X"Y@#U``&2!>8`]0`!/1;F`.4``3T6 MY@#\``&5`^8`^0`!U0CF`/P``=X(Y@#\``%^`N8`]0`!D at 7F`/4``3T6Y@#E M``$]%N8`_``!E0/F`/D``=4(Y@#Y``'>".8`_``!?@+F`/4``9(%Y@#U``$] M%N8`Y0`!/1;F`/P``94#Y@#Y``'5".8`_``!W at CF`/P``7X"Y@#U``&2!>8` M]0`!/1;F`.4``3T6Y@#\``&5`^8`^0`!U0CF`/P``=X(Y@#\``%^`N8`]0`! MD at 7F`/4``3T6Y@#E``$]%N8`_``!E0/F`/D``=4(Y@#\``'>".8`_``!?@+F M`/4``9(%Y@#U``$]%N8`````#P``&`$9`;@>`+WZ`+X0``;B_[4#Q`S@%9P8 M:Q[D-``#```%`1@!``(``!@!``,```4"&`$I$Q0``!04```7%```)Q0``#`4 M```S%```/!0``%\4``!@%```8Q0``'`4``!Q%```=!0``'T4``"5%```EA0` M`)D4``"G%```L10``+04``"]%```RQ0``,P4``#/%```X!0``.P4``#O%``` M^!0``!`5```1%0``%!4``"`5```I%0``+!4``#45``!.%0``3Q4``%(5``!@ M%0``814``&05``!M%0``\``!/1;F`.P``94#Y@#I``'5".8`Z0`!W at CF`.P` M`7X"Y@#E``&2!>8`Y0`!/1;F`/```3T6Y@#L``&5`^8`Z0`!U0CF`.P``=X( MY@#L``%^`N8`Y0`!D at 7F`.4``3T6Y@#P``$]%N8`[``!E0/F`.D``=4(Y@#I M``'>".8`[``!?@+F`.4``9(%Y@#E``$]%N8`\``!/1;F`.P``94#Y@#I``'5 M".8`Z0`!W at CF`.P``7X"Y@#E``&2!>8`Y0`!/1;F`/```3T6Y@#L``&5`^8` MZ0`!U0CF`.D``=X(Y@#L``%^`N8`Y0`!D at 7F`.4``3T6Y@#P``$]%N8`[``! ME0/F`.D``=4(Y@#L``'>".8`[``!?@+F`.4``9(%Y@`````#```%`1@!``(` M`!@!``,```4"&`$`#P``&`$9`;@>`+WZ`+X0``;B_[4#Q`S@%9P8:Q[D-"EM M%0``AA4``(<5``"*%0``F14``)H5``"=%0``IA4``,L5``#,%0``SQ4``.`5 M``#F%0``Z14``/(5```+%@``#!8```\6```>%@``'Q8``"(6```K%@``0!8` M`$$6``!$%@``3A8``&`6``!C%@``;!8``(H6``"+%@``CA8``)H6``";%@`` MGA8``*<6``"H%@``J18``*P6``"Z%@``O18``+X6``#\``$]%N8`[``!/1;F M`.@``94#Y@#E``'5".8`Z``!W at CF`.@``7X"Y@#\``&2!>8`_``!/1;F`.P` M`3T6Y@#H``&5`^8`Y0`!U0CF`.4``=X(Y@#H``%^`N8`_``!D at 7F`/P``3T6 MY@#L``$]%N8`Z``!E0/F`.4``=4(Y@#H``'>".8`Z``!?@+F`/P``9(%Y@#\ M``$]%N8`[``!/1;F`.@``94#Y@#E``'5".8`Y0`!W at CF`.@``7X"Y@#\``&2 M!>8`_``!/1;F`.P``3T6Y@#H``&5`^8`Y0`!U0CF`.@``=X(Y@#H``%^`N8` M_``!D at 7F`/P``3T6Y@#L``$]%N8`Z``!E0/F`.4``=4(Y@#E``'>".8`Z``! M?@+F``````(``!@!``,```4"&`$`#P``&`$9`;@>`+WZ`+X0``;B_[4#Q`S@ M%9P8:Q[D-``#```%`1@!*;X6``#'%@``\Q8``/06``#W%@``!!<```47```( M%P``$1<``!(7```3%P``%A<``"<7```H%P``*Q<``#07```U%P``-A<``#D7 M``!)%P``4A<``%47``!>%P``>1<``'H7``!]%P``CQ<``)`7``"3%P``G!<` M`+L7``"\%P``OQ<``,H7``#2%P``U1<``-X7``#I%P``ZA<``.T7``#[%P`` M_!<``/P``9(%Y@#\``$]%N8`[``!/1;F`.@``94#Y@#E``'5".8`Z``!W at CF M`.@``7X"Y@#\``&2!>8`_``!/1;F`.P``3T6Y@#H``&5`^8`Y0`!U0CF`.@` M`=X(Y@#H``%^`N8`_``!D at 7F`/P``3T6Y@#L``$]%N8`Z``!E0/F`.4``=4( MY@#E``'>".8`Z``!?@+F`/P``9(%Y@#\``$]%N8`[``!/1;F`.@``94#Y@#E M``'5".8`Z``!W at CF`.@``7X"Y@#\``&2!>8`_``!/1;F`.P``3T6Y@#H``&5 M`^8`Y0`!U0CF`.4``=X(Y@#H``%^`N8`_``!D at 7F`/P``3T6Y@#L``$]%N8` MZ``!E0/F`.4``=4(Y@#H``'>".8``````@``&`$``P``!0(8`0`/```8`1D! MN!X`O?H`OA``!N+_M0/$#.`5G!AK'N0T``,```4!&`$I_!<``/\7```(&``` M)1@``"88```I&```0!@``$$8``!$&```2!@``%X8``!?&```8!@``/P``7X" MY@#X``&2!>8`^``!/1;F`.@``3T6Y@#\``&5`^8`Y0`!U0CF`/P``=X(Y@#\ M``%^`N8`^``!D at 7F`/@``3T6Y@#H``$]%N8`XP`!P"'P```````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M``````````````````````````````````````````````````$````"```8 M`0`/```8`1D!N!X`O?H`OA``!N+_M0/$#.`5G!AK'N0T``,```4!&`$``P`` M!0(8`0P.``\`"``!`$L`#P``````&@``0/'_`@`:``9.;W)M86P``@````,` M80D$`````````````````````````"(`04#R_Z$`(@`61&5F875L="!087)A M9W)A<&@@1F]N=````````````````````&`5```%`/____\``/____\#``0@ M__\!```@__\"``0 at __\#```````4"0``>A0``&`5```````````!```````" M`````````P``8!@```T```,``'(#``"0!```M at 4``*`&``"Q!P``V0@```<* M```/"P``, at P``,\-```##P``+A```&X1``##$@``$Q0``&T5``"^%@``_!<` M`&`8```.``\`$``1`!(`$P`4`!4`%@`7`!@`&0`:`!L`'``=`!X`'P`@`#$` M$4%D6UB;VP`"R:0`0``07)I86P`(@`$ M``$(C!@``-`"``!H`0````"4"_REE`O\I0`````!```````````````````` M``````0`@Q```````````````````````````````````"$#80```"M"3%5% M($]94U1%4B!#54Q4("\@2$%72U=)3D0 at 3$E35"!$25)%0U1/4ED)````$4%D M"AL1KA`````````````````````#L``P#^_PD`!@```````````````0`` G``$``````````!````(````!````_O___P``````````________ ` end The following binary file has been uuencoded to ensure successful transmission. Use UUDECODE to extract. begin 600 BOCHWD.TXT M#4),544 at 3UE35$52($-53%0 at +R!(05=+5TE.1"!,25-4($1)4D5#5$]260T- M#0T-#0T-#0T-#0T-#0T-#0T-#4Y!344-2$%.1$Q%#4%'10U04DE-05)9#44M M34%)3`T-,0U!;F1R97<@02X at 07!O;&0-36]R9')U+U)O9V5R(%-H"YA;&9R960N961U#0TW#4)R:6%N M(%1H86-K97(-#3(R#4)/0PUB=&AA8VME6]K92YE M9'4-#3D-0VAAF5`:&5V86YE M="YC;VT-#3(Y#4UA2YC M;VT-#3,Y#5)O65S0&YJ+G-E;6DN:&%R M4!P6X at 3&%W2!T:&4 at 9F5RG-O;&1OF%R+"!* M<@T-,S4-2$%72U=)3D0-:F=U:7IAF%R0&5P:7 at N;F5T#0TR.0U*:6QL(%-TF]N82YE9'4-#3,T#4ME:71H($)AFEE<@T-,S4-2$%7 M2U=)3D0-#0TS- at U+96ET:"!(96YD97)S;VX-2V5I=&@@2"X-,S$-2$%72U=) M3D0-:VAE;F1E0T-,S`-2$%72U=) M3D0-;RYB;VEG97E`=&5C:&QI;FLN9G(-#30U#5!A=6P at 5V%R9`U!'(U0&%O;"YC;VT@*&)U="!M M87EB92!S;V]N('-W:71C:&EN9R!T;PT--#@-4V-O='0 at 2&5L;&5R#0TS, at U( M05=+5TE.1`T-#30Y#5-E8F%S=&EA;B!796QT;VX-#3,Q#4A!5TM724Y$#0T- M-3`-4W1E<&AE;B!,:6YD7,N8V]M#0TU,0U3='5A2!0;V]T#40M4FED97(-,S4-2$%72U=)3D0-='!`:F1T+F-O;0T- M-3,-5FEN8V4 at 3&5' from "Rob Maerz" at Dec 1, 95 01:43:39 pm Message-ID: Rob Maerz writes: > > In a message dated 95-11-30 21:55:33 EST, Lurking Girl wrote: > > >You can't have it both ways. Either it's a strictly-moderated list > >or it isn't. If it is, it applies to you (plural; not ROBO in > >particular) as well as those you disagree with. This is everyone's > >playpen, or no one's. > > I don't think this list should turn into an Auschwitz...but there have to be > SOME guidelines laid down unless we all want a chaotic list where volume ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > doesn't matter and content can range from BOC to bowel movements... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ROBO, your capacity for inadvertent irony continues to astound. Between you and a handful of others, that's exactly what you've created! I doubt that you even know what you've destroyed in the process. Steve From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Dec 1 18:00:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 15:00:00 PST Subject: Response to some topics/ short & sweet - I Hope Message-ID: Flaming - Well the Telepath Wars have started again. I chalk the whole thing up to venting as I have seen this a few time since I joined the list (on more than one occassion I have been the target). So I think I will sit this one out. Thanks Robo for sharing your insights on BOC services on other lines. I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. Your the best. Can the poster of the cut my wrists with Y&T cutouts/five little ones without a daddy please explain what they were saying to me in private. Sorry, but I feel like that woman in the HBO commercial who says "Duh, I don't get it?" Is there someone else on the list with five kids? Use of Approriate Headers - If the subject line were changed by those posting to a different topic it would be appreciated. How come some people can tell who submits a post, though the author didn't sign it while others can't? Is there some function in Microsoft mail that can do this? Dominance & Submission - Well I seem to be in the minority on Al vs. Eyes but what the hey I just slip in the version I want to hear and let it play. Will try to check out some of the Eyes versions that people have recommended. Thanks. WOTT sales - Robo I see your point about Sony however, I guess what really ticks me off is their decision to release 3 pak so closely to WoTT. A large helping of WoTT can be found in 3pak, granted some different version and the first time on cd stuff. It would have made much better sense to either A) Have more rare stuff comprise WoTT or have more of the bands later works (FOUO, CE, Specters, CN, et., al) or B) make a 3 pak of those cd's that were not heavily represented on WoTT. Sony's marketing strategy remains a mystery to me. I certainly would not release the first 3 classic albums as a bundled package right after I released a compiltation that depended heavily on those works, escpecially if I were looking to sell a 100 k units. They cost relatively the same. Casual or re-emerging fans would probably opt for 3 pak to get their BOC collection updated. WoTT though by far the best compilation is really one of four comps on the band someone can pick up. Strange, really strange. BOC's Choice of Spirits - Well Eyes likes Iron City huh? Wonder if he is a die hard Steelers fan like Moi? BOC Sunrise Review - Good review of the latest performance. Couple of questions though. What type of venue is Sunrise, good, bad or ugly place to see a show? Are they still saying someone lost or stole the accoustic equipment? They stated that in October at the Jaxx show. Robo have they mentioned why they continue to do In Thee in an accoustic style without accoustic equipment? Hope there isn't a real problem between Alan and Eyes, I'd hate to see Alan leave the band. Well thats as brief as it gets for me. Have a wonderful weekend everyone. A(drinking tea today)B AB From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Dec 1 15:58:25 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 15:58:25 -0500 Subject: 3-Pak Message-ID: Some may be confused by Sony's release of the 3-Pak so close to WotT. I have in the past questioned this release myself -- but I chalk it up to the following: Record companies don't understand, or don't care about what us fans want - they do what they think will bring in the most profit, and they probably guess wrong more times than they'd care to admit. Also, with regard to the 3-Pak, I found out that record stores don't necessarily understand what's going on. Went to my local Newbury comics (which is really a record store that sells comics, for those of you that don't know) the other day and found the 3-Pak selling for $24. BUT - each of the individual BOC albums that makes up the 3-Pak was selling for $7 each -- you do the math. John PS: I'm signing off for a week as I'll be out of the office. Try and play nice. ;-) From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Dec 1 02:35:59 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:35:59 +0500 Subject: HW: It's So Easy Message-ID: I was listening to a little live Hawkwind this morning---_Detroit '73_---when on came an incredible version of "It's So Easy." I'd never heard this done live before, which is a shame because they extended it way beyond the version put out as a single. I mean, we're talking a sublime jamming BLANGA fest here! Wicked! Listening to it got me wondering how long this song persisted in their live set. Does anyone know if it was a regular feature, or just done occasionally as a one-off? If the latter, then that's a shame, I think. It has a great "anthemic" quality, but without the negative connotations that term conjures up. It has a very positive message, too. Along with some killer riffs throughout, the mid-section is just *begging* for a jam and some soloing (can we say "strap on the guitar, Dave!"). I bet it'd go over a storm live nowadays. The version on the tape certainly did... Btw, despite the relatively poor sound quality, that tape is great. It's so damn HEAVY it's dangerous! I thought the little ghetto blaster I was playing it on was going to rattle apart, the bass was so thick. _Space Ritual_ and _'Grill_ era material together; what more could a person want? :-) Cheers, Paul. obTrack: Hawkwind, "It's So Easy", _Detroit '73_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. "Revolution's coming, the chaos will soon end, Appreciate your fellow man... see it in the end" --- Hawkwind, "It's So Easy" From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Dec 1 16:15:14 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:15:14 -0500 Subject: Response to some topics/ short & sweet - I Hope Message-ID: >BOC Sunrise Review - Good review of the latest performance. Couple of >questions though. What type of venue is Sunrise, good, bad or ugly place to >see a show? Are they still saying someone lost or stole the accoustic >equipment? They stated that in October at the Jaxx show. Robo have they >mentioned why they continue to do In Thee in an accoustic style without >accoustic equipment? Hope there isn't a real problem between Alan and Eyes, >I'd hate to see Alan leave the band. I should clarify that by Sunrise I mean the club was in Sunrise, FL, not the Sunrise Auditorium which is a large concert hall. The club was Mr. Laff's, which by the name you can tell it is a part time Comedy club. It is also a sports bar and grill. I got there very early, so we had time to kill and it was nice to have stuff like Pool to pass the time, place didn't start filling up until around 10:00, but it got packed by the time they came on. Most people were at tables and the like, but there was a small dance floor in front of the stage, which is where most people watched from, standing and jumping, and pumping fists in the air and the like. Acousticly, once they got the mic problem fixed it was fine, and there was a good view from just about everywhere, with the stage raised about four feet making sure the people standing in front weren't a problem. No comment about equipment, Allen just went around back for a sec and came back with an acoustic guitar, and they jumped right in. He sat down on a chair front and center for that one, the only number he (or anyone else) did that. Still didn't give him a mic, though. Buck sang lead with Eric and Danny doing the chorus. Overall, Buck sang as many if not more songs than Eric. While Buck sang, Eric spent a fair amount of time at the keyboards while Allen played guitar, also. This was the first time I'd seen them so I don't know if that's typical. BTW, I notice you spell it "Alan", whereas I thought (and WotT liner notes use) it was "Allen". Just wondering, (Andrew, whose middle name is spelled "Allan"). Buck seemed to have a great time, his facial expressions during some of his solos were just great, kind of "oh, yeah, check this out", and at times using mock surprise at what he was playing (mouth wide open a good stretch of Cities on Flame). Eric apart from that seemed to have fun, though it's hard to see through those shades. He had a bunch of fun with a long, tubular balloon somebody threw up on stage, sneaking up behind Buck while he was playing and placing it between his legs ....Danny and John (Jon?), the current Bouchard spotholders, both smiled non-stop, and seemed to have fun. At one point, Danny something he saw (I think Buck kind of head motioned to point it out, I couldn't see what it was) completely cracked him up, he was trying not to laugh and only partly succeeding, he had to struggle to keep playing... John (Drums) just kept a grin on his face throughout, and never changed throughout the show.... During all of this, Allen looked kind of weary, kind of "here I am doing this... again", and didn't smile once. His playing (especially on guitar) sounded great, and he did high five all of us he could reach in the front whenever he went by. I've not seen him before, maybe that's just the way he looks. After the one incident I mentioned, he seemed to be scrambling to adjust a bunch of things on the keyboards then started playing hurrily just after that. It's my guess he just missed something, that no one but Eric noticed..... ========== ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Dec 1 16:27:41 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:27:41 -0500 Subject: HW: It's So Easy Message-ID: Yep. This song has been one of my all time faves ever since I first heard it. It was the B-side of Psychedelic Warlords (dissapear in smoke), I think Martyn From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Dec 1 16:37:14 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:37:14 -0500 Subject: 3-Pak Message-ID: >Also, with regard to the 3-Pak, I found out that record stores don't >necessarily understand what's going on. Went to my local Newbury >comics (which is really a record store that sells comics, for those >of you that don't know) the other day and found the 3-Pak selling for >$24. BUT - each of the individual BOC albums that makes up the 3-Pak >was selling for $7 each -- you do the math. 3-Pak was selling for $20.95 at a Best Buy store around here. And the individual albums were in the $9.00 range... FWIW, I didn't have most B=D6C on CD, and ended up buying both 3-Pak and WotT... Though I agree, they definitely could have had more from the mid to later period. Mirrors had only one, as did CE. The liners always use the "live albums as era marking points", so by that logic they could've done Mirrors, CE, and FOUO as a 3-pak also, which I would have preferred to see. =20 At least I hope that Sony's "magic number" will take 3-pak sales into account... If they did, I'd feel better recommending my friends (casual listeners who only knew them from Heavy Metal that I dragged along to see them at Sunrise) that they get it before WotT. What can I say, they're all hooked on TCtLDoM after hearing it now... Most of them are younger, around 20 and more into Metallica and the like, but they also all thought "I'd like to see you in Black" was one of the best songs, and they were wanting to know what album they could get IT on... ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater =20 Kingdom of the Burning Lands From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Dec 1 16:43:22 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:43:22 -0500 Subject: 3-Pak In-Reply-To: <199512012058.PAA04877@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Dec 1, 95 03:58:25 pm Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > > Also, with regard to the 3-Pak, I found out that record stores don't > necessarily understand what's going on. Went to my local Newbury > comics (which is really a record store that sells comics, for those > of you that don't know) the other day and found the 3-Pak selling for Well, they *used* to be much more of a comic store that sold records, but I noticed the change in emphasis last time I was in Boston. > $24. BUT - each of the individual BOC albums that makes up the 3-Pak > was selling for $7 each -- you do the math. Talk about nostalgia trips. Back in 88, or maybe early 89, the remade Astronomy single (the one with Stephen King doing the intro about a "bedtime story for the children of the damned") briefly charted on WBCN - it made the top 20 for about 2 weeks before disappearing (something that rather surprised Al and Deb when I told them). But it was there long enough for me to hear it, and it inspired me to go out and track down the original. It was Newbury comics that convinced me to fill out my BOC collection. They priced all the old albums at $8 apiece, and after trying a couple, I rapidly bought up the whole lot. For a while there (like, several years), ;-) I became a foaming BOC fanatic. I originally tried to start up a discussion about them on the usenet rock-n-roll newsgroups, but after realising how futile that was, I decided that the only viable option was a mailing list. So in a way, Newbury Comics is indirectly responsible for the creation of this list. :-) Steve From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Dec 1 16:44:00 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 21:44:00 +0000 Subject: HW: It's So Easy In-Reply-To: <9512012127.AA18986@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Dec 1, 95 04:27:41 pm Message-ID: For some reason I keep getting responses well before I get the original posts ... is the list server getting screwy or is this (more likely perhaps) just JANET collapsing under the weight of traffic boc-l has been putting out? > Yep. This song has been one of my all time faves ever > since I first heard it. It was the B-side of Psychedelic > Warlords (dissapear in smoke), I think Yeah, it's so laid back and yet still heavy and grooving as well. The recording is pretty clear for 70s HW, and its amazing to think its live (or at least mostly live :) Great interaction of the guitar, bass, and synths. I've long wanted to write a song that ripped off this feel, but never got around to it .... :) Cheers, Carl From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Dec 1 20:05:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:05:00 PST Subject: 3-Pak Message-ID: >Also, with regard to the 3-Pak, I found out that record stores don't >necessarily understand what's going on. Went to my local Newbury >comics (which is really a record store that sells comics, for those >of you that don't know) the other day and found the 3-Pak selling for >$24. BUT - each of the individual BOC albums that makes up the 3-Pak >was selling for $7 each -- you do the math. >3-Pak was selling for $20.95 at a Best Buy store around here. And the >individual albums were in the $9.00 range... FWIW, I didn't have most B=D6C >on CD, and ended up buying both 3-Pak and WotT... My local Best Buy recently put certain discs on sale. Anything with the nice price sticker then make it 6.99. On top of that they took another 5%. All boc with the exception of ETL, OYFOOYK, CC and FOUO fell into this category. It made the price of 3 pak competitive. >Though I agree, they definitely could have had more from the mid to later >period. Mirrors had only one, as did CE. The liners always use the "live >albums as era marking points", so by that logic they could've done Mirrors, >CE, and FOUO as a 3-pak also, which I would have preferred to see. =20 This 3 pak I would have purchased as I have these on tape and vinyly but not cd yet. Actually I'm having a lot of trouble spotting CE in the stores. Everything else is plentiful buit I keep coming up empty on CE. >At least I hope that Sony's "magic number" will take 3-pak sales into >account... If they did, I'd feel better recommending my friends (casual >listeners who only knew them from Heavy Metal that I dragged along to see >them at Sunrise) that they get it before WotT. What can I say, they're all >hooked on TCtLDoM after hearing it now... Most of them are younger, around >20 and more into Metallica and the like, but they also all thought "I'd like >to see you in Black" was one of the best songs, and they were wanting to >know what album they could get IT on... If Sony does takle into account 3 pak then there is some hope that the 100k number may get there. I have seen stores that otherwise do not carry a lot of BOC have 3 pak or WoTT in stock. Keeping my fingers crossed. AB ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater =20 Kingdom of the Burning Lands From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Fri Dec 1 17:26:00 1995 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:26:00 -0500 Subject: BOC at Sunrise Message-ID: Lets see - It's Friday which means of course the weekend has arrived for most. Tomorrow night I will be at the Zoo in Melbourne Florida listening to the Cosmic Cowboy and the rest of the Oyster Boys mezmorize central Florida with tails from outer space, alternate universes and the darkside. I can't wait - its been over a year. On Sunday they will be in St. Pete and so will I. I will report back - Shawn From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Dec 1 18:11:11 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 18:11:11 -0500 Subject: Response to some topics/ short & sweet - I Hope Message-ID: In a message dated 95-12-01 15:08:18 EST, you write: >Flaming - Well the Telepath Wars have started again. I chalk the whole >thing up to venting as I have seen this a few time since I joined the list >(on more than one occassion I have been the target). So I think I will sit >this one out. same shit, different day as I say... I enjoy how I am now classified as one of the perps that has "ruined" this list...I can see how since all my postings are about Betty Crocker cookie recipes and have nothing to do with BOC whatsoever... > >WOTT sales - Robo I see your point about Sony however, I guess what really >ticks me off is their decision to release 3 pak so closely to WoTT. A large >helping of WoTT can be found in 3pak, granted some different version and the >first time on cd stuff. oh yeah, forgot about that 3pak....I probly forgot about it cuz I have yet to see it in the stores or on CDNow...I don't think the 3 pak is that big of a deal...they're not losin' anything on it...they're just takin' an x amt. of CDs that they would've released singularly and bundling them up at a discount price... the other issue is the erratic song selection on Scopes, but I'm not gonna rehash that until we get the REAL boxset... > >BOC's Choice of Spirits - Well Eyes likes Iron City huh? Wonder if he is a >die hard Steelers fan like Moi? Eric is a NY fan...he's big on the Knicks, Rangers, Giants and Yankees... ROBO From lansford at VNET.NET Fri Dec 1 07:03:11 1995 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:03:11 GMT Subject: Oh My! What language! In-Reply-To: <951130174702_39721888@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Rob Maerz wrote: >In a message dated 95-11-30 14:57:39 EST, you write: > >>If you had any balls, Paul, you could have contacted me directly and we >could >>have discussed it off the list (I always include my direct address in my >>messages). But in the end, I'm glad you chose this forum because it >>illustrates for others what a jackass you can make out of yourself. But I >>digress--now back to the topic at hand. > >I agree totally...if one is going to use abusive language towards another >individual, move it into private Email...whomever moderates this list should >remove frequent offenders from the list... Whadda ya know, I've finally had enough.... GROW UP PEOPLE! This is the net. Not Delphi, not AOL, not GEnie, not CIS and certainly not Prodigy. There's no Cato here. There's no one to make us write "I will not use bad words" 5000 times on the blackboard. Strict moderation would have kept R. Kohl's imitation of JP off the list in the first place. Think about that before you start calling for Ben to change his style. Given the recent BOC-L tradition of easy-going moderation, we are left with what a friend of mine calls "the visit in the night." A group of seniors show up at the dorm room of an offending freshman and inform her that she's not following the mores of the University culture. The visit carries with it the threat of ostracization is her behaviour isn't corrected. Dudes, Dr. Mather isn't a visit from a gaggle of seniors. He's a visit from the faculty. Mr. Kohl, your post was, basically, fighting words. A basic rule in =any= society (and the net is society unto itself) is that newcomers do not dictate behaviour to the elders. Net culture has supported and encouraged the use of emoticons ("smileys") for a =very= long time, in recognition of the simple fact that human communication makes use of body language as well as words. Emoticons are our body language. As a general (in my experience almost universal) rule, someone who eschews emoticons is a troll, someone who looks for flame wars to start. Since he doesn't give anyone any clues one way or the other, he thinks he can claim "I was only joking" when his obnoxious behaviour is challenged. That would have worked for Mark Twain. The rest of us are not good enough humorists to get away with it. That includes you. Our resident Brit-turned-Hokie mimicked your pretentious tone quite well. Strange that you couldn't see yourself in that mirror.... From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Fri Dec 1 20:43:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 20:43:00 -0500 Subject: 3-Pak Message-ID: I have considered buying this three pack, as i do not have any BOC on CD yet. I really feel like If I buy these, in 2, 3 or 5 years they will al be rereleased and remastered! It seems like so many CD's by classic bands from the 70's have been released more than once.. I think I can wait, as my other copies still sound ok! Scott http://www.mgh.harvard.edu/depts/molendo/scott/scott2.htm From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Fri Dec 1 20:57:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 20:57:00 -0500 Subject: END THIS CRAP....... NOW! Message-ID: Ordinarily this would be considered off-topic, but they way boc-l has been going lately, this message should be true to form. First of all, I think I know a little bit about mailing lists, but possibly not (splunge). What is the Moderator of a lists main function? Is it just to dish out the gruel, or to act as some sort of referee between warring clans. I think we need a referee here myself. I'm not saying that we need someone who sits at his terminal with a big hammer whacking everyone who says boo, but I think occasionally when two "family members" go to war on the list, he should step in and say, "cut the feces, or YOU ARE GONE! End of story. We send message after message saying, "Is this OK? Or not? Or what?" The moderators final word should be LAW, regardless of how we feel about the decision. Think about this friends and acquaintances, I really get a kick out of having Al & Deb on the list, and if anyone pisses them off to the point that they leave, Torgo will personally, and with extreme fury and rage, kick your asses!!!! Second, smiley faces. Yeah, I think they get used quite alot, but I like them in their place. It should be your personal opinion, this is not worth going to war over!!!!! Dr. Bob, I consider you a friend, you know that, but I'm getting sick of listening to the Dr. Bob/Paul endless battle the same as when Paul and AB were having at it. Ok, we all have little things that irk us, of course. But these petty things should not start flame wars. Wanna know what bothers Torgo? Personally, it bugs the living pampers off of me when things like PHDs get thrown around in people's faces. WHO CARES if you are a star bellied sneetch? Us plain bellied sneetches IT DOES NOT IMPRESS! But you see, it bugs me, and yet, "poof", I let it go. I don't threaten to drop off the list. I don't start raving in endless posts about nothing. And I don't resort to profanity to get a rise out of the young'ns. And before I get a pile of e-mail saying, "hey Torgo. If you are so wise and all knowing, why don't YOU be the referee, and let all us misbehaving children know when our diapers need changing?" And I say to that, "If no one else steps up to do it, then I Will!!" Because I'm here to talk about BOC, remember that. I'm outta here. Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Dec 2 00:56:57 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 00:56:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: London gig Message-ID: Tim - If it's the same Stone I know, they're a pretty good melodic thrash metal band from Finland. Innapropriate support for BOC maybe, but at least they're a decent band (on record, anyway, haven't heard 'em live). Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Dec 2 01:14:59 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 01:14:59 -0500 Subject: I like coffee too, but............... Message-ID: Ah, Al posted those lyrics before I got to BOC-L. Did he post lyrics for the whole SFG album maybe?? If so (or even if he only posted lryics for GBC), could someone possibly summon them up for me w/out too much effort? Some of those lyrics drive me mad, trying to figure 'em... Chuck From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Dec 2 02:57:44 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 02:57:44 -0500 Subject: BOC at Sunrise Message-ID: >Lets see - > >It's Friday which means of course the weekend has arrived for most. >Tomorrow night I will be at the Zoo in Melbourne Florida listening to the >Cosmic Cowboy and the rest of the Oyster Boys mezmorize central Florida \ With the show Thursday it means they have an off day before Melbourne. Well, the weather's nice enough to kill some time around here, anyways. As to where they might be? A friend of mine claims he went to high school with a brother of Buck's, who now lives somewhere in Florida, but I have no way to verify this. I cannot recall the name of the school (it was in NY, not here)... If it is on the level, they might be there... Roger Shrubstaff Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Dec 2 05:45:18 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 21:45:18 +1100 Subject: OffTopic: Re: Stop the insanity (Please) Message-ID: ___ __ __ _ _ ___ |_ _| | \/ | | | | | / _ \ | | | |\/| | | |_| || | | | | | _| | | |_| _ || |_| | |___(_)_| |_(_)_| |_(_)___/ Wading through, or having to delete 50 or so messages all about these things ------> ;^) Is a total pain in the neck! Come on everyone - can't we drop this drivel? With that said, I'll continue the drivel [insert chosen smiley here] Somewhere in the middle, someone mentioned something about using 'HW:' 'BOC:' 'BRAIN:' etc. in subject lines, and wether the 'Re:' affected their use. I recall a post about a month ago stating that the filters still work for responses. Fine, but hardly anyone seems to be using them! I personally don't get the list server to filter out any mail, but instead get my mail reader to do it. It has been a pet hate of mine for a while now that my my 'Hawkwind' folder gets about 5% of all messages from boc-l, and the 'BOC' folder gets about 10%. My 'Other BOC-L mail' folder is always overflowing, even though > 75% of the posts in their SHOULD be in one of the other folders! Come on Guys and Gals - even if you don't use the filters yourself, you COULD still tag your message subjects appropriately. Paul (who holds no PHD's, but does drink too much coffee!) -- Windows: By the people who gave you EDLIN! Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Dec 2 04:36:40 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 20:36:40 +1100 Subject: HW: (Fwd) Steve Swindells Message-ID: Here's a copy of a message that Steve Swindells sent me ... thought that it might interest som of you (check the bit about why he left HW ;^) Paul ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Paul/sonique/downunder I'm also in shock - ish. What! Someone bought my album in the land of OZ? Thanx. Note the Hawk' musos who played on it. Trivia 1/ Roger Daltrey recorded 'Don't wait in the stairs' on one album - in about '82 (don't remember the name). Trivia 2/ He recorded 'Bitter and Twisted' as the extra song on the McVicar album. Trivia 3/ I wrote the two extra songs for his 'Best bits' compilation album, about '83, I think. Trivia 4/ Fresh Blood went to no 3 in the US airplay charts. Trivia 5/ I left Hawkwind when they asked me to be the lead singer! (Tee hee), recorded the demos then went to NY and got a deal with ATCO in 3 days. Then got great reviews....then zilch. I then went into club promo in London and started 'the Pure Organisation' which went ballistic. Check The Face magazine 100th issue for documentation (if you can find one)! How did this get to me? Well, I 'virtually' live at the interc at fe, researching my inter column for Time out (how strange to move back to Bath from London and end-up writing for a magazine in London - weird). I'm not on-line at home, being a 'starving artist' (again). The URL for Cerberus Digital Jukebox is http://www.cerberus.co.uk/cdj Yes, you can check-out the text and pic by clicking on 'artist' then S. I'm sure you'll find Hawk stuff there as well. I havn't checked. To download music, you have to sbscribe to the Cercure cash system via credit card, but it's only 75p per track, I believe. 'Take the highway' is kindof funky/spacy. 'I'd rather be lonely is like JJ Cale meets house. The enigma deviations are 'chilling-out' multi-track improv's. Very warm. I'm very proud of them and have lots more. An album, I hope, one day. Please spread the word about CDJ! Time Out has a site where you can check my TECHNO internet column http:/www.timeout.co.uk I had an interesting letter which came via Hawk-drummer Martin Griffin (we're still friends) from a filmaker in Germany. He's hoping to make a film on Bob Calvert (whom I loved) - maybe you might have some ephemera for him. I'll e-mail the details to you (I don't have his letter with me). He's trying to trace the film of the gig we did at some college in N London and any archive material. Search me mate!? I'm not in touch with Brock, Bainbridge etc. I never met Turner. I liked drummer Simon (what a rogue) but have no idea where he is, if he still 'is'. As for getting 20 letters a day from Hawk fans - Mmmm, I'll think about it. Certainly I'd like to publicise my CDJ site! Please let me know if I appear on any compilations/live albums. I'm pretty sure Brock used to record jam sessions and then put them out himself as the Sonic Assasins or whatever. Humph. I bet he owes me some royalties! Take care :!> Steve -- Thought for the day: Dictatorship (n): a form of government under which everything which is not prohibited is compulsory. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sat Dec 2 10:58:03 1995 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 15:58:03 +0000 Subject: No subject In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well after the wars of late it's getting very intimidating for a mere newcomer to even _dream_ of venturing on to this hallowed turf... I haven't been lurking intentionally, I've had a filespace crisis, but it's still like taking a first step into somewhere very deep and dark with things in it that are going to bite your legs off if you put a foot wrong. But I shall have courage. I'm also going to post on a few topics - forgive me! Forgive me! But I have little time, partic. because of the number of mails I've had to delete today... December 13th, at the Forum: I will be there! Ticketmaster have confirmed, and I am therefore a happy bunny. I'll try to get to the pub ( Bull & Gate )beforehand, if you're sure all you doctors and so on are willing to hang out with a mere _student_... Actually, seems to me that our academics are all Americanos: or are the British PhDs just more modest? Idle question. Meanwhile, I'll just play my live tapes and grin smugly in anticipation. John Swartz on B.O.C. becoming popular again. I've got to say, I don't think it's going to happen. Alas and alack, and so on, but the fact is the greatest band ever are not `popular', and thank some politically-correct non-specific deity for that, say I! How many people on this list like the normal standard of `pop' song? The thing about taste is it's a matter of being different from other people: good taste is not something you associate with a majority of people, because the taste of the general public is, let's face it, pretty dire. Otherwise B.O.C. would be popular - dead simple. I'm not even sure if it would be a good thing: the only obvious pay-off would be stadium gigs, and I'd rather see them in somewhere like the Forum, or, for choice, Brixton Academy (! Oh yes!) and get them close-up. Not that stadium effects aren't _cool_, but too far away, you know...? On the Chronos logo: I don't know if I'm retreading old ground here, but there's one bit about Chronos that's not on the Polyphemus FAQ, which is that in some cults of Chronos he was held to be the Keeper of the Elysian Fields, the Hellenic heaven... Whether you can make anything out of that as far as the band's concerned I have no idea, but it's in the Britannica so it must be true... ROBO on Floyd: I'd like to sympathise with you about the cardiac arrest effect of `Time' on DSotM: it sounds just like my bloody clock too. I think you were harsh on `Comfortably Numb' though - but `Run Like Hell' gets better every time I hear it... EVERYONE on coffee: Well, you speak for yourselves: as far as I'm concerned a pair of large cups of good Darjeeling _tea_'ll set me up for the day... A disclaimer about off-topic digressions like the last one: OK, this is a topical discussion group: and I know a guy who takes over newsgroups with his `fanclub', so I can sympathise with those who are protective of it for that reason. But if we left all the stuff about coffee and so on out of it, and clipped all the jokes, and so on until all we had left was good'n'topical, I for one would find it really really obsessive. We *need* little digressions to keep us human! On the other hand, you _can_ go too far. With heart a-tremble I step into the Smiley Zone... Dr. Bob - I don't like 'em either. I find it much easier to get the effect I'm after just by doing *this*, _this_ or this... but maybe that effect doesn't make it to the reader, I can't tell. I can see a use for smilies, the only problem I have with them is that they seem a bit _too_ 'Net-fashion sort of thing. And that's my point of view, and that's all it is. I'm not going to start a flame war over it. I've got nothing against flame wars, mind, quite the reverse in fact, but there's a time and a place for it, and BOC-L isn't it. If everybody could agree with me on this nice, moderate, sit-on-the-fence type viewpoint, we might have the good old BOC-L back tomorrow. I assume, because I wasn't with it then, but I'd be interested to see it... ANDREW APOLD on your siggie: Well, it looks like D&D to me... Watch out, Chancellor, the quicksilver fumes will steal your memories away! Generally on Political Correctness: No! Don't do it! Try just being *polite*! It's far easier, makes everyone happier, and doesn't require you to learn a new vocabulary. DAVE HARDMAN on `Harvest Moon': I may just be really thick, but is this the song on the Reservoir Dogs soundtrack? Who actually did that version? Not one of our heroes surely! Please advise. Right, that's all: sorry it was so huge, but the afore-mentioned non-specific deity ( SEE how SILLY this is ) only knows when I will next post, so you got a lot at once. I shall now resume my lurk, unless called out to face the flames, JAZZA /________________________________________________________\ | () | | Jon Jarrett () "What that boy needs is | | Pembroke College () a damn good haircut | | Cambridge CB2 1RF () and a spell in the | | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk () Army" | \___________________________()___________________________/ From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sat Dec 2 11:13:58 1995 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 16:13:58 +0000 Subject: HW, BS: My last post In-Reply-To: <8B614E9.000100072E.uuout@nor.mkl.com> Message-ID: Ahgahd! I forgot the subject header! I'm so stupid! I'm saying sorry now, please don't flame me everyone who would normally have had that filtered out, I'm not quite up to speed with this yet. Sorry again, JAZZA /----------------------------------------------------------\ | "So, Penfold, what did you think of Popacatepetl?" | | "Er, not yet chief, but I will as soon as we | | get to the kitchen." | |==========================================================| |Jonathan Jarrett ( History ) | Ext. Tel. 01223 460728 | | ( Pembroke College, | Int. Tel. 32049 | | Cambridge CB2 1RF ) or | E-MAIL: | | 2 Selwyn Gardens (7), | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | Cambridge CB2 1NG. | | \__________________________________________________________/ From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Sat Dec 2 11:19:31 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 10:19:31 -0600 Subject: Off Topic: julian cope/kraut rock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, Andrew Gilham wrote: > In-Reply-To: > This Krautrocksampler sounded interesting, so I popped into Virgin this > lunchtime and bought a copy - seven pounds ninety-nine for a slim(ish) > paperback, but (a) I don't suppose it's exactly mass-market and (b) you > get lots of cool colour reproductions of album covers. > > The book itself consists of a brief histroy of Krautrock, followed by > Cope's (very sound, as far as my knowledge goes) list of 50 top Krautrock > albums, with a review of each. > > I've not read the whole thing by any means, but it's written with obvious > intelligence and an infectious enthusiasm for the topic, and I'd say it's > a good reference and an excellent introduction. > > - Andy > > ObArtExhibit: Damien Hirst - "Mother and Child Divided" > care to list the top 20 or so for us to peruse i'm interested to see if brainticket and gila are up there cause they are two of my favorites. i doubt i'll have access to this book over here. -mike psyche From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sat Dec 2 11:45:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 11:45:00 -0500 Subject: RON/Lord of Light Message-ID: Just finished listening to HW-Bochem 10/26/95 and it was a good show, but it seems like all of these instrumental tunes really destroy any momentum that band was generating. This Love in Space song has some of the worst lyrics I have every heard for HW? WHo wrote them? Were they about Brocks past wife???? Anyway, I thought ROn's vocals on Lord of Light were awful... I never was bothered much by him before.... I guess he is here to stay though.. SCott From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Sat Dec 2 13:11:44 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 12:11:44 -0600 Subject: hw: newstuff and list thoughts In-Reply-To: <01HYBXFB0H68YOWRR7@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> Message-ID: sorry to hear that some of you don't like ron on the new album and live tapes- all i can say is try some tea and headphones plus volume- i just got alien 4 last week and was very impressed i think it is their most cohesive album in ages. It has a feel to it like their classic albums such as warrior and hall and the first one-you know what i mean- the songs just flow one to another better than in "it is the business" and" electric teepee". to me it is kind of like two mini albums one with abducted-sputnik stan and then deathtrap-are you loosing the only place it really cuts for me is kapal-festivals-these two while both great don't flow in the mix. ron tree- it it because he has a squeak voice? personally i like it he gets almost female sounding at times and can also sound like calvert, but to me he is most reminicint of nik turner -so i can see that if your a nikophobe you probable don't like him -he is an alien i think. it is the end of a quarter here at AU so for my last radio broadcast of the quarter i played the whole album plus filled the remaining time with selected hw favorites. the respose was pretty positive- one friend who heard it said it was his favorite of the hw he's heard so far. live stuff- i got the tape of the spring 95 show at the jaxx while not being as good as the show i saw in atlanta it still is great rons use of that vocal pitch device makes this for me- I like when vocals get distorted and deranged- phase it, echo it the more the better the version of alien i am is smokin - list thoughts/ multi topic/off topic i think that hawkwind are the godfathers of the space rock scene and under their outstreched wings come many fledglings and eggs that fly in many directions- i don't think we should limit our discussions to hw boc and their direct offshoots- these other bands are keeping the scene alive and if we want our main interest to continue then we need to keep up with which directions the music is headed - since i do a show dedicated to spacerock and psychedelic i love to hear about new stuff from hawkwind's peers( those that tread the space waves and the mind). now if someone knows of a dedicated spacerock/psychedelic list then beam me up - i go to alt.music.psychedelic and .progressive but alt.psyche is too slim and alt.prog to fat for me to really enjoy. sorry to the strict BOC only fans out there but you got to realize that i've been into boc since i was 13 i'm 25 now. i have had some of their albums more than a decade if they would concentrate on producing some serious albums i would have more to say about them -they need to ditch sony -maybee griffen would pick them up? they have helped hawkwind in the US a ton(except for their damn overoptimistic release dates) -i was looking at hawkwinds output for the nineties alone and it is incredible- spacebandits/palace springs/electric teepee/it is the/biz trip/psyche warriors/alien-plus a ton of reissues and comps- i cant think of another band in any genre that has put out this many albums this decade can you? well a lot just came off my mind- you probably won't be hearing much from me this month takeit easy- mike psyche From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Dec 2 13:39:32 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 13:39:32 -0500 Subject: OFF - Signature explanation Message-ID: >ANDREW APOLD on your siggie: > > Well, it looks like D&D to me... Watch out, Chancellor, the >quicksilver fumes will steal your memories away! I placed an "off" on this, but since it is so far off topic if you reply to it send it to me personally (mordru at magg.net)... I only put this on here because a couple of people had assumed the same thing here on the list... And for the record, I do occasionally partake in some D&D, but it would not merit me devoting a signature to it... Now, responding... No, it's from a live-action fantasy swords & sorcery organization (called "Amtgard") that exists mainly in Texas and the U.S. southwest. It dates back about fourteen years now, and is my main pasttime. It is mainly dedicated to wearing weird outfits, and running around field and hitting each other with swords made from foam, duct tape, pvc, and other like materials. There are a few scattered groups elsewhere, like Florida (where I live), Oregon, New Hampshire, and Finland... I send about 90% of my mail to this organization's ("Amtgard") mailing list, but with joining this list I should fight the lethargy and perhaps change that... The structure of chapters is somewhat similar to SCA, if you familiar with that... "Chancellor" is an office I hold in the Florida chapter ("Silverwater"), and as a small group we are a vassal state to our sponsoring kingdom ("Burning Lands") which is based in El Paso, Texas. =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D And, just so we can link this back to B=D6C --- One of the largest Amtgard kingdoms is based in the area of San Antonio and Austin. It is known as "The Celestial Kingdom". I lobbied hard (and unsuccessfully) to get "Celestial the Queen" made their official anthem/theme music. None of them were familiar with it. But I have managed to learn it on my flute, and will sneak it in there when I visit them in February for an event they hold... Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt befoer I had power!" - Random Chancellor =20 Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Dec 2 13:42:59 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 13:42:59 -0500 Subject: HW, BS: My last post Message-ID: > > Ahgahd! I forgot the subject header! I'm so stupid! I'm saying >sorry now, please don't flame me everyone who would normally have had that filtered out, I'm not quite up to speed with this yet. Sorry again, Geez, you scared me. For a second there (when I scanned the message subjects) I thought that these Flaming Telepaths had caused you to leave the list in disgust--hence that being your "last post". I see now you were merely referring to your previous post. Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt befoer I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From HWillman at AOL.COM Sat Dec 2 13:57:21 1995 From: HWillman at AOL.COM (HWillman at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 13:57:21 -0500 Subject: Why no Trep Yet - Late Response Message-ID: AB -- I'm a BOC-L lurker, so I read a lot of your stuff. I'm wading through a ton of old mail and came across the following bit that I wanted to comment on: ---your stuff.... Hmm, not sure Al & Deb's livelihood depends solely on moi buying a copy of Trepanation, however I am probably the only one on the list that does not have Trepanation yet. One reason why is that I have a very limited music budget, feel its more important to feed the five who depend on daddy than to blow the whole wad at Best Buy (which I could easily do). Yeah it seems I always have new music at my disposal but understand this, most tapes I buy cost $.99; my entire cd collection is numbers less than 40 and most of those are from the cutout bin costing anywhere from $1.99 to $5.99. Further I have a list of music I wish to procure which runs roughly full price thus I plan to get a little of this and a little of that when the budget allows. Trepanation is on that list and will be coming up soon, however for my own personal reasons it like some other stuff I want to get will be purchased in turn. Hey I apologize to Al & Deb for not having oredered Trep. but realistically its my loss more than theirs because it means my miniscule music collection is absent a great work. ---begin my stuff again... Wishes and dreams are one thing, economics another. We don't know each other, but I totally understand what you're saying. Feed the kids. The cheap music is much more valuable than the expensive stuff (compare it to a car -- does one always need the latest model just to get from one place to another, or will something that works just fine do?) Take care. -- Howard hwillman at aol.com From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Dec 2 14:07:12 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 14:07:12 -0500 Subject: BÖC mention in PC Gamer Message-ID: I don't know if "Rosie" aka C.C. Rosenthal is on the list (my directory is at my "work" computer), but either way, thanks to her for getting the following phrase into the letters page of the December 95 issue of PC Gamer (page 319, midddle coloumn) "...Blue Oyster Cult is the greatest band of all time" Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt befoer I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Sat Dec 2 14:11:46 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 14:11:46 -0500 Subject: BÖC vs BOC Message-ID: I've noticed that I seem to be the one of the few (if not only) person on the list who bothers to "alt-153" to get the =D6 in B=D6C, then noticed on= mail from some people who quote it it comes back garbled or in hex or something similar. So, (and if it was on the intro message forgive me, i grabbed it at another computer which I will get back to eventually), in proper list ettiquette, should I drop the effort and like everyone just use BOC? Does it cause trouble for anyone? Just wondering, Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt befoer I had power!" - Random Chancellor =20 Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM Sat Dec 2 14:11:53 1995 From: stone1 at IX.NETCOM.COM (William Stone) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 11:11:53 -0800 Subject: Off Topic: julian cope/kraut rock Message-ID: >> >care to list the top 20 or so for us to peruse >i'm interested to see if brainticket and gila are up there >cause they are two of my favorites. i doubt i'll have access to this book >over here. >-mike psyche > I'll be carying it soon. $15. Wylie From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Sat Dec 2 14:21:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 19:21:00 GMT Subject: Off Topic: julian cope/kraut rock Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > > > care to list the top 20 or so for us to peruse > i'm interested to see if brainticket and gila are up there > cause they are two of my favorites. i doubt i'll have access to this > book > over here. > -mike psyche Well, they're in alphabetical order, so here goes all fifty: Amon Duul I - Pardieswarts Duul Amon Duul II - Phallus Dei, Yeti, Carnival in Babylon, Wolf City Ash Ra Tempel - Ash Ra Tempel, Schwingungen Ash Ra Tempel & Timothy Leary - 7Up Ash Ra Tempel - Join Inn Can - Monster Movie, Soundtracks, Tago Mago, Ege Bamyasi, Delay Cluster II - Cluster II Cluster - Zuckerzeit, Sowieso Tony Conard w/Faust - Ouside the Dream Syndicate Cosmic Jokers - Cosmic Jokers, Galctic Supermarket, Planeten Sit-in, Sci-Fi Party Cosmic Jokers & Sternmadchen - Gilles Zeitschiff Faust - Faust, So Far, The Faust Tapes, IV Segiius Golowin - Lord Krishna von Goloka Guru Guru - U.F.O. Harmonia - Muisk von Harmonia, Deluxe Kraftwerk - Kraftwerk La Dusseldorf - La Dusseldorf, Viva Moebius & Plank - Rastakrautpasta Neu! - Neu!, Neu 2, Neu '75 Popul Vuh - Affenstunde, In den Garten Pharaos, Einjager & Siebenjager, Hosianna Mantra Tangerine Dream - Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri, Atem, Zeit Klaus Schultze - Irrlicht, Black Dance Walter Wegmuller - Tarot Witthuse & Westrupp -Trips & Traume Cope says he's chosen only albums currently available or soon to be reissued. (Which might explain why neither of your faves make it.) This is very close being on-topic, actually, as Hawkwind get lots of name-checks in the text, especially in reference to Dave Anderson, and to Brock for being quite a proselytiser for Amon Duul II. - Andy From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat Dec 2 16:42:29 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 16:42:29 -0500 Subject: Response to some topics/ short & sweet - I Hope Message-ID: Until the signal to noise ratio improves-- Please unsubscribe me. Thank you. DF From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat Dec 2 17:05:16 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 17:05:16 -0500 Subject: Why no Trep Yet - Late Response Message-ID: Yes, but as a lurker, you are also not constantly commenting upon stuff you obviously haven't heard--but merely, 2ndhand, other upon others' comments-- in order to simply make noise on this and numerous other topics. Which also tends to undermine your credibility on any subject-- from Y&T cut-outs (as excruciatingly scintillating as they are indeed) to the bathroom and beyond... All of which is why even the person who originally formed the list to discuss particular music-- and related things-- in an insightful, original, and genuinely witty manner (as well as many of those who have enjoyed that frequently deeply meaningful and generally entertaining discussion and interchange of ideas, as opposed to say, bathroom habits) is agonizing over unsubscribing. --DF From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Sat Dec 2 20:35:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 17:35:00 PST Subject: Record Sales Statistics Message-ID: Does anyone on the list know of either a) an on-line service that tracks sales of albums or b) a publication that does. Please post if you know. Thanks. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sun Dec 3 00:42:10 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 00:42:10 -0500 Subject: Off Topic: julian cope/kraut rock In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Dec 2, 95 07:21:00 pm Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > Well, they're in alphabetical order, so here goes all fifty: [...] > Tangerine Dream - Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri, Atem, Zeit ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I noticed this in the "import sale" rack my local record shop is having. Is this worth getting? I've heard many conflicting reports regarding Tangerine Dream here and elsewhere. Is this a must-avoid or a must-have? Cheers, Paul. PS: Also in the sale rack was a copy of the One Way CD of Hawkwind's eponymous debut for about $10. I believe this title is now deleted. obTrack: The Bevis Frond, "Stoned Train Driver", _Superseeder_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Sun Dec 3 00:51:11 1995 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 21:51:11 -0800 Subject: HW: First Album In-Reply-To: <9512030542.AA18496@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> from "Paul Mather" at Dec 3, 95 00:42:10 am Message-ID: Paul wrote: > PS: Also in the sale rack was a copy of the One Way CD of Hawkwind's > eponymous debut for about $10. I believe this title is now deleted. This currently is the most numerous one in the Tower and Blockbuster I shop at around here. Each has a bunch of imported copies, at about $17 each. When I bought mine last year, they all had black CD tray thingies in the cases, but this year they all have white ones. Don't know if there's anything to that or not. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome "There is an old proverb that says whatever you want it to say" - whoever... From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Dec 3 04:30:26 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 20:30:26 +1100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: On 2 Dec 95 Jon Jarrett wrote about : > type viewpoint, we might have the good old BOC-L back tomorrow. I assume, > because I wasn't with it then, but I'd be interested to see it... This is the MOST sensible post I've seen here in quite a while. Good one Jon! Paul -- Thought for the day: Cleavage (n): something you can approve of and look down on at the same time. -- W. Garnett. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sun Dec 3 04:13:35 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 20:13:35 +1100 Subject: B+C vs BOC Message-ID: On 2 Dec 95 Andrew A. Apold wrote about B+C vs BOC: > I've noticed that I seem to be the one of the few (if not only) person o= n > the list who bothers to "alt-153" to get the =D6 in B=D6C, then noticed = on mail > from some people who quote it it comes back garbled or in hex or somethi= ng > similar. The problem is that Internet mail is 7-bit, and supports only characters with ASCII values between 0 and 127. In MIME compatable mail readers, "extended ASCII" characters (those between 128 and 255) are encoded with a special 7-bit 'escape sequence' for mail transport. If the receiving mail reader is not MIME compliant, these characters will not translate correctly. This is why you will see the '=D6' looking like a '+' in some replies to earlier messages, or something= even less intelligable=A1 It will also vary depending on the character set used by the mail reader! Anyway, why don't you listen to a nice band like Hawkwind, who have no umluats, acutes, graves, circonflexs, tildes, slashs, rings or cedillas= in their name! Paul (Assassin Soniqu=E9) -- Press any key to continue or any other key to quit Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Sun Dec 3 02:11:08 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 08:11:08 +0100 Subject: Space Ritual 1972 Message-ID: Hi folks, I've got one question: How many real DIFFERENT tapes exist from the SPACE RITUAL 1972 tour? On many lists I can find the following tapes: - 22.12.1972 Liverpool - 29.12.1972 Edmonton - 30.12.1972 Brixton In my opinion there exist only one tape (BRIXTON). The other 2 tapes are only bad copies from the BRIXTON tape. If someone has a really different SR tape to the BRIXTON tape, I'm interested to get it! cu Bernhard ======================================================= BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Sun Dec 3 03:01:04 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 09:01:04 +0100 Subject: HW: It's So Easy Message-ID: Hello Paul It's So Easy = ISE >Does anyone know if it was a regular feature, or just done occasionally as a >one-off? This song was a regular feature in the time from mid 1973 until mid 1974 The first time ISE was played was (as far as I know) on 22.07.1973 in SOUTHAMPTON. This is the earliest tape I have wit ISE. The last time thay played ISE was on 10.08.1974 in HARLOW. It is the last tape I have where they played this song. And this version is the absolute best version of ISE!!!! They didn't play ISE on the USA spring 1974 tour! The single version of ISE was recorded in EDMONTON on 26.01.1974 hope this helps Bernhard ======================================================= BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Sun Dec 3 13:40:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 10:40:00 PST Subject: Why no Trep Yet - Late Response - Directrory Message-ID: >-- Howard >hwillman at aol.com Howard, I don't have a copy of the directory on my home pc but your name dosen't seem familiar. If you care to be listed in the directory please post the following: Name: Handle: Optional Age: E-Mail Address: Primary Band: HW or BOC Thanks AB From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Sun Dec 3 12:11:58 1995 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 12:11:58 -0500 Subject: ADMIN: Your Moderator Speaks... Message-ID: [... And here I was hoping that one of my more enjoyable past-times wouldn't turn into work.] Ok, folks, as usually happens, I get a little busy at work and don't have time to pay attention to whether or not things are degenerating on the list, and, sure enough, that's the first thing that occurs. Let me make my position absolutely clear on this: EVERYONE ON THIS LIST HAS RECEIVED THE INTRODUCTORY "NO FLAMING/KEEP TO THE TOPIC" MAIL MESSAGE. You either got it when the list moved or you got it when you subscribed. Originally, I'd thought that we could all be adults here, but that's evidently not the case. Much as I hate to, I will now turn into the hall monitor for those of you who insist on being childish. Starting now, anyone who is perceived (by me) as attempting to start any sort of flamage will have _one_ of the following events occur: 1) You will be removed unceremoniously from the list. [Actually, you'll be set to neither send nor receive mail, so you won't even be able to resubscribe.] 2) Your subscription will be altered so that you will be absolutely unable to post messages to the list. You'll be able to see what everyone else says, but you will not be able to send anything. 3) Your subscription will be altered so that anything you do send to the list will come to me first and I will be your very own personal moderator. For those cases, I will feel absolutely free to take a scalpel to anything which seems even remotely off-topic. If I get fed up with doing this for too long, you'll be moved into category #2 above. Anyone who is subjected to one of the above will have the right to appeal to me to have their subscription restored, but I AM NOT PLANNING ON BEING LENIENT. If anyone has any problems with this or has any requests as to who should be the first, please don't hesitate to e-mail me at . I will _NOT_ appreciate on-going discussion of this policy change on the list. THIS STOPS *N*O*W*. YhM, Ben From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sun Dec 3 13:25:50 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 13:25:50 -0500 Subject: HW: First Album In-Reply-To: <199512030551.VAA20845@desiree.teleport.com> from "Kevin Haskel Rubin" at Dec 2, 95 09:51:11 pm Message-ID: Kevin Haskel Rubin writes: > > PS: Also in the sale rack was a copy of the One Way CD of Hawkwind's > > eponymous debut for about $10. I believe this title is now deleted. > > This currently is the most numerous one in the Tower and Blockbuster I shop > at around here. Each has a bunch of imported copies, at about $17 each. This is pretty weird. I saw _Hawkwind_ (the USA domestic release, on One Way) listed as "deleted" on one of the online CD stores. It seems from our reported experiences, then, that someone is now busy re-importing all those exported copies, to sell once again to the Hawkwind-hungry US masses. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose! Cheers, Paul. obCD: Nik Turner, _Space Ritual '94_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sun Dec 3 13:33:29 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 13:33:29 -0500 Subject: HW: It's So Easy In-Reply-To: <199512030801.JAA01396@sokrates.ruhr.de> from "Bernhard Pospiech" at Dec 3, 95 09:01:04 am Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: [Good info about "It's So Easy" live history; thank's Bernhard!] > They didn't play ISE on the USA spring 1974 tour! The tape I have is labelled _Detroit '73_. (I don't know if the label is necessarily accurate, though.) It's a great version, anyway. Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Bevis Frond, _It Just Is_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Dec 3 14:30:44 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 14:30:44 -0500 Subject: HW: Video quezzies - grat... Message-ID: >>100% Nik free to boot. The kinky ballerina do anything for you, Martyn?<< that was a friend of alan's, not bridgett. rj From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Sun Dec 3 16:41:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 21:41:00 GMT Subject: HW: (Fwd) Steve Swindells Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Steve Swindells, via Australia (Nice one, Paul!), said > Please let me know if I appear on any compilations/live albums. I'm > pretty > sure Brock used to record jam sessions and then put them out himself as > the > Sonic Assasins or whatever. Humph. I bet he owes me some royalties! He's on some of the "Friends & Relations" stuff, isn't he - "Who's Gonna Win the War (live)", and "Valium 10" at least. And there's _Hawklords live_, too. And that's without the myriad compilations... "Shot Down in the Night" alone has sixteen entries in the Codex! I bet he is owed royalties... but I'd also bet he'll have a job seeing any of them. Allegedly, even Calvert had a hard enough time getting his due. :( But, good luck to him, I say! - Andy From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sun Dec 3 16:59:12 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 16:59:12 -0500 Subject: HW: (Fwd) Steve Swindells In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Gilham" at Dec 3, 95 09:41:00 pm Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > I bet he is owed royalties... but I'd also bet he'll have a job seeing > any of them. Allegedly, even Calvert had a hard enough time getting his > due. :( Well there is a bit on Bob's _Live at the Queen Elizabeth Hall_ album where he mentions all the pending lawsuits he has filed concerning unauthorised releases... Cheers, Paul. obCD: MC5, _Kick Out The Jams_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Sun Dec 3 17:09:31 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 17:09:31 -0500 Subject: BOC: set list for Melbourne FL Message-ID: Caught BOC last night at The Zoo, Melbourne Florida, 2 Dec 1995. The set list (near as I can tell) was as follows: Stairway to the Stars Dr. Music ..something with chorus "Be Alright", its on ETLive.. ETI (with nice but short closing jam) Pirates Moon ..something from first album unknown to me.. See You In Black Take Me Away ..something like "The Jokes On You" (with lots of strobe light).. Cities On Flame (with crowd chant: "Rock And" "ROLL!") Last Days Of May In Thee ..unknown to me (possibly "Still Burnin").. Burning For You Godzilla (with bass and then drum solos) Reaper ..encore 1 unknown to me.. ..encore 2 unknown to me.. Sorry guys, but I'm a HAWKWIND fanatic and was unable to identify all the songs, although most were announced first. In fact, this is one of the rare times I'll bother to post re: BOC. Summary of show: band has some good tunes coming together, they need to get a record contract and put them out. Vocals were muddy in this small club, making identifying lyrics quite difficult at times. Lots of soloing by Buck, good keyboards and guitar from Allen (who played a Kramer that looks just like mine!) Allen smiled several times, and even mouthed the words to BFYou even though he was nowhere near a mic. Bass player looked to be having lots of fun, although his background vocals were not quite up to snuff (best as I could tell in this club). Only glimpsed the drummer once, he was so low behind everything. All in all, a very good show! Also briefly caught Buck and Allen on the radio Friday night (Orlando Q96) plugging WOTT and talking about "In Thee" with the DJ named "Slatz". Sorry, I didn't get tapes of any of this. :-( Last comment: BOC played this same club about 2 (3?) years ago, with more of the radio tunes in the set, few new and almost no "old" tunes. It seems to me that they were tighter then, played solos with a bit more feeling, and each song was more distinguished. The new tunes are good, but at times they still seemed to be "shaking out" the rhythm section. Possibly much of my opinion also stems from the accoustics of last night's show, which were definitely worse than the show a few years ago. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Dec 3 17:16:34 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 23:16:34 +0100 Subject: HW: Hectic Hawkwind Week Message-ID: ...well, back on topics: got some goodies from the Royal Swedish Postverket this week :0) (oops, a smiley...) Item #1 "Psychedelic Warlords Are In Search Of Space Bandits And Star Cannibals Who Lurk Inside your Brain And Hide Inside Your Mind; The Watcher Is Standing At The Edge Of Void City, Where Wizened Sages Sat, Anicent Masters of The Rites Of The Netherworld." what is this? you may wonder... It's the poem that's written on the disk of the newest Hawk Boot, the Nova Drive, which I got this week. As you already know, it's a sample of the best tracks some unknown tape collector have in his Kollektion. Sound quality is (probably) very good, if you compare it with other live tapes - but this don't means you have the best Hawk Boot ever here. Best track: Damage of Life? Alien? Cover art: Space ship PXR5 is leaving Earth with its Nova Drive set on full speed. The giant red twin headed Hawk on the metallic grey torso of the Craft is the only thing that lightens up this part of the Universe... "...we go from star to star to find the dream..." I cannot describe the inside cover arts - it must be seen - the Hawks playing below Inka symbols in flying bubbles - both earthly and spacey at the same time... Label: Discontent - DISC20470 (someone believes in this?) Yes, I like this boot more and more. A few tracks is with Ron Tree Live (Alien / Silver Machine / Sputnik Stan / an unlisted one in the end which may be called "Doremi Fasol Latido") and when I hear these live tracks it feels good. I'm on the Ron side of the fence. Is there someone who can confirm or correct my earlier information that's this CD Recordable is pressed in ONLY 33 ex..? I know Bernhard and Henrik got one ex. each - is there's someone else that's got it on this list? Item #2 The Hawkwind Tribute vinyl "Assassins of Silence, Hundred Watt Violence" has finally made its way to me. 23 bands doing 25 covers, some good - some not so good - most memorable so far: Tibetan Bowlers doing a "Wizard Blew his Horn" version of "Hassan I Sahba". Spoken, with strange noises bubbling around. Weird, weird... Imagine someone in panic asking out in eternity: "Black September? Black September? Hashish? Hashin..?" Also Gorilla doing a laid back/speed metal version of "Flying Doctor" and F/i's never ending / ever lasting / fuzzy "Robot"... Label: Ceres Records - CERES01 This double vinyl is something I'm going to play often... Cover is a "black space with white flashes & stars in the background, and a big Hawk in front". Space Ritual type of Fold Out cover - lyrics inside. The Assassins Log is also there - one side each to all bands. Good job, Doug! (Good Reason not to appear on a stupid Hawkwind Tribute album: "It took us two and a half years to get our latest album together, so you don't want us involved" Item #3 The BOC-l T-shirt. Thanks, Mike! Items #4 A bulk of boots: St Alban - Nice cover / shitty sound quality of a good gig (but it got new jerusalem :0) Friday Rock Show Session - Pubertal cover / nice sound quality of a good gig (dream worker is really GOOD!) Dawn of Hawkwind - samples of early (hard to find) vinyl + some extra live tape takings (is it neccesary to have 3 versions of Silver Macine on one CD? - Dawn/Sunrise and Frisco Jam is here) Items #5 1975-09-04 Hawkwind played at Olympen, Lund, southern Sweden. Fantastic gig if you listen to the tape (beside the Lo-Fi Sound Quality). Fantastic stage show if you look at the pictures - which was taken by a poor man's instamatic. I do like that one with Brock playing guitar in front of a nice "Rokning Forbjudet" sign. Oh, how Swedish... If my scanner and I ever will be friends, it may be possible that I'll produce a few gif's... that's it. only the Hawks know's what next week will bring... \\happy hawkjoe From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sun Dec 3 18:01:05 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 18:01:05 -0500 Subject: BOC: The New Tunes / Underbelly / Buck folder Message-ID: well, thinking that it is very likely that a new BOC disc will be available on an independent label in 96...having heard 5 of what we can assume to be the new tunes, here's my 2 cents: Still Burnin - should be the first single...the title kinda implies "a comeback"...the song is HOT! I love the lil run Buck does right before the chorus: "I'm still burnin" "burnin for your love" this song is flawless: A+ I'd Like To See You In Black - this song smokes!!! a classic thrash tune done Cult style...should be the second single and should see humungous success, given proper promotion... this song kicks ice: A+ Harvest Moon - this song has grown on me...I didn't see what all was so great about it, but if you listen to it several times you'll agree that it is one of the better Cult tunes on the new disc. What makes this song attractive is the clean guitar playing, the story in the lyrics and the tempo changes from moderate to kickin' (with the Buckmeister solo) and back to a moderate tempo to close the song... cool tune: A+ The Power Underneath Despair - this is like See You In Black's lil brother...it's a good tune, the progressions are cool but it's not heavy enough...if they get this one to sound heavier, it be a cool tune needs improvement: B Cold Grey Light of Dawn - The song starts out like it's gonna hit ya like a brick, but when you get to the chorus, you can see the weak lyrics comin' a mile away...anyone else listen to this song the first time and know how the chorus was gonna go? or do I have ESP (extra-sexual perception)? needs an overhaul: C- other stuff: Stick Wings of Mercury on the new CD anywho...great rock n roll tune! It would be interesting to see if any Red and the Black tunes make it on the new CD... The Underbelly has been updated with some concert reviews, more files, cool links, the BOC at Reading pics and other cool stuff Buck Folder on AOL: here's the directions JS - keyword MMC (music message center), double-click the Classic Rock folder and finally click on the Buck Dharma folder... (same directions on the Soft White Underbelly, just click on Soft White Underbelly instead) ROBO http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html offtopic: just saw the movie "Ed Wood" starring Johnny Depp based on the true story of transvestite, low-budget Hollywood director Edward D Wood, Jr...anyone remember Plan 9 From Outer Space? From mordru at MAGG.NET Sun Dec 3 18:48:47 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 18:48:47 -0500 Subject: B+C vs BOC Message-ID: >On 2 Dec 95 Andrew A. Apold wrote about B+C vs BOC: > >Anyway, why don't you listen to a nice band like Hawkwind, who have >no umluats, acutes, graves, circonflexs, tildes, slashs, rings or cedillas >in their name! > I do, and like them a lot, it's just that I don't know as much about them. I've only got Levitation, IITBOTFTBD, SR, Chronicle and Live Chronicles, and Lord of Light which hardly qualifies me to comment on most of their stuff. The guy who got me started on them refused to say I follow them without more of the early 70's stuff. But okay..... I'm reading Queens of Deleria right now which I just picked up. Dated dialogue, and nice shoving under the rug of what happened to Lemmy, but it's readable and I am enjoying it... _ Besides, doesn't Hawkwind put a line over the "a"? Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt befoer I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From mordru at MAGG.NET Sun Dec 3 19:03:53 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 19:03:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: set list for Melbourne FL Message-ID: > Caught BOC last night at The Zoo, Melbourne Florida, 2 Dec 1995. > The set list (near as I can tell) was as follows: Based on what they played at Sunrise, and your notes, it was probably: > > ..something with chorus "Be Alright", its on ETLive.. The Red and the Black has a chorus of "It's alright", and was on ET Live... So does IOTLBIANS, but it is basically the same song, I think. ..something from first album unknown to me.. I'm guessing "Before the Kiss, a Redcap", since it was on the first album and they played it when I saw them... > Take Me Away Just wanted to note what a great job they did on this one. I didn't care for it until I heard it live, now I like even the RBN version... > ..something like "The Jokes On You" (with lots of strobe light).. Flaming Telepaths. My favorite BOC song... Strobes were effective > ..unknown to me (possibly "Still Burnin").. > Burning For You > Godzilla (with bass and then drum solos) > Reaper > ..encore 1 unknown to me.. > ..encore 2 unknown to me.. Hmmm one of the encores we got was Dominance & Submision... Don't worry, fine job, I'm sure you identified far more songs than a purely "re: BOC" fan would of a Hawkwind show... Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sun Dec 3 21:14:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 21:14:00 -0500 Subject: HW: Hectic Hawkwind Week Message-ID: There is no truth to the statement that only 33 of the Nova Drive Cd's were made. It is probably less than 1-200 though, as the guy (who shall remain nameless) gets them pressed upon demand. Scott From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Dec 4 04:54:32 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:54:32 GMT Subject: RON/Lord of Light Message-ID: > > Just finished listening to HW-Bochem 10/26/95 and it was a good show, > but it seems like all of these instrumental tunes really destroy any > momentum that band was generating. This Love in Space song has some of > the worst lyrics I have every heard for HW? WHo wrote them? Were they > about Brocks past wife???? > > Anyway, I thought ROn's vocals on Lord of Light were awful... I never > was bothered much by him before.... I guess he is here to stay > though.. > > SCott > C'est impossible!!!! Lord of Light was my highlight of the gigs I went to. I thought Ron sounded better singing this than anything else. I also quite liked the music for Love In Space, but couldn't make out the lyrics at the gigs. bye - Rob From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Dec 4 05:03:46 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:03:46 +0000 Subject: Off Topic: julian cope/kraut rock In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 03 Dec 1995 00:42:10 EST." <9512030542.AA18496@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Message-ID: > Andrew Gilham writes: > > > Well, they're in alphabetical order, so here goes all fifty: > [...] > > Tangerine Dream - Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri, Atem, Zeit > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > I noticed this in the "import sale" rack my local record shop is > having. Is this worth getting? I've heard many conflicting reports > regarding Tangerine Dream here and elsewhere. Is this a must-avoid or > a must-have? Hmm, I'd be interested to know also, since this falls somewhere between the more dissonant Electronic Meditation and the totally awesome Green Desert. Re: the krautrock list - wot, no Einstuerzende Neubaten ?! Tim From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Dec 4 05:55:01 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:55:01 +0000 Subject: /kraut rock (kraftwerk) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Whilst not knowing anything about kraut rock, I did catch a prog on Radio 1 yesterday about Kraftwerk. Very interesting it was too. Fans might wish to check out whether it's being repeated. Dave From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Mon Dec 4 06:01:07 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 11:01:07 +0000 Subject: BOC: The New Tunes / Underbelly / Buck folder In-Reply-To: <951203180104_43070868@emout04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: > > Harvest Moon - this song has grown on me...I didn't see what all was so great > about it, but if you listen to it several times you'll agree that it is one > of the better Cult tunes on the new disc. What makes this song attractive is > the clean guitar playing, the story in the lyrics and the tempo changes from > moderate to kickin' (with the Buckmeister solo) and back to a moderate tempo > to close the song... > cool tune: A+ Bolle told me that the first half of the guitar solo in HM is actually Allen; the second half is Buck. Dave From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Dec 4 06:07:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 11:07:00 GMT Subject: Off Topic: julian cope/kraut rock Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2020.9512041003 at dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> > > > Tangerine Dream - Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri, Atem, Zeit > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Hmm, I'd be interested to know also, since this falls somewhere between > the > more dissonant Electronic Meditation and the totally awesome Green > Desert. I dunno myself, and it's hard to quote selectively from Cope's review (you'd have to read the whole thing to really understand why :), but *he* certainly loves it! Do you trust him? :) > Re: the krautrock list - wot, no Einstuerzende Neubaten ?! Well, "Krautrock" doesn't mean just any rock music from Germany - it specifically refers to the West German freakout scene (roughly '68 to '75). The "kraut" part is a kind of ironic self-deprecating proto-punk thing, exemplified by ADII's "Mr Kraut's Jinx" and "La Krautoma", "Krautrock" on _Faust IV_, and Moebius/Plank's gorgeously titled _Rastakraupasta_ (!). There was also a Brain (ultra-hip record label) sampler entitled, _Krautrock_. BTW, I was listening to MC5's _Kick out the Jams_ the other day, and during "Starship" I thought, hold on, this sounds like "Electronic No. 1"... - Andy From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Mon Dec 4 06:55:58 1995 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr. Big Mike Light) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 11:55:58 +0000 Subject: HW: Smash Hits Party Message-ID: Dear UKers, did anyone see the Smash Hits prize winners party on Sunday? I have been informed that Vic Reeves and Bob Mortimer started the show with a version of Silver Machine, which I would love to hear. Has anyone any confirmation of this? Has anyone any younger sisters who would have videoed such a TV extravaganza? Mike w From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Mon Dec 4 07:19:02 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 12:19:02 +0000 Subject: hw: newstuff and list thoughts -Reply Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>since i do a show dedicated to spacerock and psychedelic i love to hear about new stuff from hawkwind's peers( those that tread the space waves and the mind). now if someone knows of a dedicated spacerock/psychedelic list then beam me up <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< yeah, i'm gonn check out the list based aropund bomp/voxx/etc. rthis week: depends where you draw the lkine on thee 'psychedelic' i guess, or hoe far back you choose to go, but i'll let you gnow what it's like if yioo want ygafw From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Mon Dec 4 08:13:07 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 08:13:07 -0500 Subject: HW: Black September In-Reply-To: <9512032216.AA06061@sonor> from "Johan Edlundh" at Dec 3, 95 11:16:34 pm Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > so good - most memorable so far: Tibetan Bowlers doing a "Wizard Blew his > Horn" version of "Hassan I Sahba". Spoken, with strange noises bubbling > around. Weird, weird... Imagine someone in panic asking out in eternity: > "Black September? Black September? Hashish? Hashin..?" Hawkjoe's post reminded me I've always wondered about this, but never got around to asking: who, or what, is "Black September?" Is it a historical event (e.g. OPEC oil crisis), or some kind of political organisation (a parody on Red October?)? Enquiring minds would like to know... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Mike Watt, _Ball-Hog or Tugboat?_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 4 08:36:24 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 08:36:24 EST Subject: Why no Trep Yet - Late Response Message-ID: > always have new music at my disposal but understand this, most tapes I buy > cost $.99; my entire cd collection is numbers less than 40 and most of those > are from the cutout bin costing anywhere from $1.99 to $5.99. Further I > have a list of music I wish to procure which runs roughly full price thus I > plan to get a little of this and a little of that when the budget allows. > Wishes and dreams are one thing, economics another. We don't know each > other, but I totally understand what you're saying. Feed the kids. The > cheap music is much more valuable than the expensive stuff (compare it to a > car -- does one always need the latest model just to get from one place to > another, or will something that works just fine do?) > > Take care. > > -- Howard > hwillman at aol.com I'm of a different opinion. I'd rather have one great album, even if it costs 20 bucks, than a hundred cut-outs. Ususally, they're cut out for a reason, if you get my drift. There might be one decent song and the rest garbage. But hey, I've never had any mouths to feed but my own, so it's not fair for me to comment on your lifestyle. I think old AB's heart's in the right place, but I would question the ethics of bootlegging someone like the Surgeons. Granted, yo weren't trying to make money--that's the ultimate in hatefulness. But bootleg someone who's rich, not someone like Al who's just getting by and still trying his best to make great music for us to enjoy. theo ps- if you want to rip me for these opinions, please do it off list tojackso at hawk.syr.edu From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 4 08:33:13 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:33:13 GMT Subject: HW: Silver Machine on TV Message-ID: The following has just been forwarded to me from uk.media.tv.misc ----Forwarded message follows ------- > > > Did anybody catch the performance of Hawkwind's 'Silver Machine' at the > start of the Smash Hits thing on sunday...? > ------------------------------------------------------- I didn't catch it but maybe someone else did? I suspect that it was *not* Hawkwind's version but someone elses's? Any ideas? And anyhow, whatever happened to the Utah Saints version of "Silver Machine". Did it ever get released...... Questions, questions. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 4 08:47:34 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:47:34 GMT Subject: Oh My! What a crock! In-Reply-To: Rob Maerz's message of Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:43:39 -0500 Message-ID: Rob Maerz writes: > I don't think this list should turn into an Auschwitz OK, someone mentioned the nazis. Thread over. FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 4 09:03:29 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 14:03:29 GMT Subject: HW: Black September In-Reply-To: Paul Mather's message of Mon, 4 Dec 1995 08:13:07 -0500 Message-ID: Paul Mather writes: > Johan Edlundh writes: > > > so good - most memorable so far: Tibetan Bowlers doing a "Wizard Blew his > > Horn" version of "Hassan I Sahba". Spoken, with strange noises bubbling > > around. Weird, weird... Imagine someone in panic asking out in eternity: > > "Black September? Black September? Hashish? Hashin..?" > > Hawkjoe's post reminded me I've always wondered about this, but never > got around to asking: who, or what, is "Black September?" Is it a > historical event (e.g. OPEC oil crisis), or some kind of political > organisation (a parody on Red October?)? Enquiring minds would like > to know... When terrorists caused mayhem at on of teh Olympics wasn't it the Black September Group that claimed responsibility? > > Cheers, > > Paul. > FoFP From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Mon Dec 4 09:28:05 1995 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 14:28:05 +0000 Subject: OTHER: Howard Millman and Theo on bootlegging In-Reply-To: <5B61CCC4AC5@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: I don't have much of a stand on this: the few bootlegs I've heard have always been such lousy quality that there's not much need for moral agony over them. But, I must admit, I do have a policy of replacing my pirate tapes, largely because I want the album sleeves and haven't got the nerve just to go into Our Price and nick them... But I do reckon it's a little bit dubious, when the record companies get so much of what your average, non-superstar league, group makes, not to let them get some token of your esteem. That said, it annoys me immensely when I buy a real tape ( not yet being CD-equipped because of *MONEY* ) and then discover that I could actually get a _better_ recording by pirating a friend's CD on a cheap stereo. The company have got the masters, after all, and their equipment has to be better than my next-door neigbour's: why can't they produce a better quality tape than he can? Vexed of Cambridge, Jazza /----------------------------------------------------------\ | "So, Penfold, what did you think of Popacatepetl?" | | "Er, not yet chief, but I will as soon as we | | get to the kitchen." | |==========================================================| |Jonathan Jarrett ( History ) | Ext. Tel. 01223 460728 | | ( Pembroke College, | Int. Tel. 32049 | | Cambridge CB2 1RF ) or | E-MAIL: | | 2 Selwyn Gardens (7), | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | Cambridge CB2 1NG. | | \__________________________________________________________/ From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Dec 4 09:40:18 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 14:40:18 GMT Subject: OTHER: Howard Millman and Theo on bootlegging Message-ID: > > I don't have much of a stand on this: the few bootlegs I've heard > have always been such lousy quality that there's not much need for moral > agony over them. But, I must admit, I do have a policy of replacing my > pirate tapes, largely because I want the album sleeves and haven't got > the nerve just to go into Our Price and nick them... But I do reckon it's > a little bit dubious, when the record companies get so much of what your > average, non-superstar league, group makes, not to let them get some > token of your esteem. (I missed the original post, hope I'm not being irrelevent) Aren't you confusing bootleg tapes with pirate tapes. I would have nothing to do with pirate tapes as they deny an artist both royalties and sales figures, whereas a bootleg of a live gig is doing no harm, as the vast majority of bootleg tapes are sold to/made by fans who already try to get everything the artist has anyway. bye - Rob From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Dec 4 09:44:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:44:00 EST Subject: HW: Black Sept. - Verified Message-ID: FoFP, you are correct. Black September is the group that made the Munich Olympics a memorable event. They were active in the Middle East for a while after that. However, you must state your response in the form of a question to get the points (don't know if Jeparody reaches the UK, if it doesn't, you are lucky). Rudy From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Dec 4 10:21:45 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:21:45 GMT Subject: HW: Silver Machine on TV Message-ID: > ----Forwarded message follows ------- > > > > > > Did anybody catch the performance of Hawkwind's 'Silver Machine' at the > > start of the Smash Hits thing on sunday...? > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > I didn't catch it but maybe someone else did? I suspect that it was > *not* Hawkwind's version but someone elses's? Any ideas? When Reeves & Mortimer do covers they don't actually try to sound like the original at all. They usually do it in a straight rock and roll style while doing some totally bizarre dancing. I didn't actually see them last night, but I can imagine what it sounded like. bye - Rob From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Dec 4 13:20:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 10:20:00 PST Subject: MS Version of Directory Warning Message-ID: DIRECTORY WARNING!!! If you have accessed the MS Word 6.0 version of the directory and exeriencing some problems with this application, try reinstalling a prior version of your Normal Template. Have been struck by a small virus that corrupts this file. Reinstalling the Normal Template can stop it. Thanks AB From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Dec 4 11:11:41 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 11:11:41 -0500 Subject: HW Tour Books: how availa... Message-ID: rock of ages- po box 1055,conis brough(or cowis brough-can't make it out-) doncaster dn123gb they've got lots o programmes.i picked up the following from them- earth ritual,M ot U,choose y masks,levitation,and one called monmore from '82.perhaps there are uk'ers who know more about this place? rj From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Dec 4 12:15:17 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:15:17 +0000 Subject: Ultimate Trepanation & get yourself guided Message-ID: Check out http://zikzak.zikzak.net/~thirdeye/ for the ultimate DIY set-up :-o Alternatively, a less hassle interim solution is to scurry along to the local CD shop and pick up Ship of Fools, " Out There Somewhere / Close Your Eyes (forget the World) " as I did recently. Excellent laid back Ozrics type stuff. Guidance is Internal & L=Sd^2 get heavy rotation. Cheers, Tim From Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK Mon Dec 4 13:09:12 1995 From: Norman at FAITH.FTECH.CO.UK (Norman Beresford) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:09:12 +0000 Subject: HW: Smash Hits Party Message-ID: i'm afraid that I did indeed see this particular show. Basicly the show started and I was sitting on my girlfriends bed reading an asimov book. The music sounded vaguely familar but it wasn't untill my girlfriend said "isn't that Silver machine" that it clicked. I admit to being a bit taken aback by it. Musicly they went for a very close cover version indeed. At one point the music started to resemble a pink floyd number, but I was in such a state of shock that I didn't really register what it was. At least catching that makes up for missing Fruit bat clobbering Schofield a few years back. From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Mon Dec 4 09:31:25 1995 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 08:31:25 CST Subject: HW: Hectic Hawkwind Week Message-ID: Ok since the list is back in order I'll end my self imposed boycott and jump in... >I know Bernhard and Henrik got one ex. each - is there's someone else that >got it on this list? Oh well you guys outside the US have better luck than I. I talked to the dude who made the boots last week and he has sold out, he made just under 200 copies. It wasn't a wasted call however we plan to trade some tapes. > There is no truth to the statement that only 33 of the Nova Drive Cd's > were made. It is probably less than 1-200 though, as the guy (who > shall remain nameless) gets them pressed upon demand. > > Scott He also told me the band got wind (no pun) of his venture and he got scared, so there are no plans to do another run at this time. Doug PS HawkJoe my payment went out this weekend. obCD: Sabilon Glitz, Ufonic From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 4 14:38:36 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 19:38:36 GMT Subject: Space Ritual 1972 In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Sun, 3 Dec 1995 08:11:08 +0100 Message-ID: > Hi folks, > > I've got one question: How many real DIFFERENT tapes exist from the SPACE > RITUAL 1972 tour? > > On many lists I can find the following tapes: > > - 22.12.1972 Liverpool > - 29.12.1972 Edmonton > - 30.12.1972 Brixton > I've got Liverpool and Edmonton and started to check both but haven't got very far yet. Certainly the beginning bits are identical - not sure how the rest works out though. Will let you know when I get to the end! > In my opinion there exist only one tape (BRIXTON). The other 2 tapes are > only bad copies from the BRIXTON tape. > What makes Brixton the source tape rather than one of the others? cheers jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 4 14:34:47 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 19:34:47 GMT Subject: HW: Tour Books In-Reply-To: RJPXR5@aol.com's message of Mon, 4 Dec 1995 11:11:41 -0500 Message-ID: > rock of ages- > po box 1055,conis brough(or cowis brough-can't make it out-) > doncaster dn123gb > they've got lots o programmes.i picked up the following from them- > earth ritual,M ot U,choose y masks,levitation,and one called monmore from > '82.perhaps there are uk'ers who know more about this place? rj Yeah - I know the place. They advertise regularly in Record Collector. What's the Monmore one like? I've seen it occasionally but never bothered to pick it up. Is there much Hawkwind in it? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Mon Dec 4 14:58:21 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 14:58:21 EST Subject: Faq observations. Message-ID: I was finally able to access the BOC faq. last Friday. First off, it's an impressive effort, damn near encyclopedic. I'm not sure I waded through everything, though. Can anyone tell me if there's an in-depth look at BOC's gtrs, amps etc. as they've evolved (gear, not the band) through the years. As you know, I'm pretty well up on this stuff. If it isn't on the faq, is there any interest in having it added? If so, who shuld I contact? The faq had an interesting story about the term 'stun-guitar.' Faq says that it had to do with Eric's use of fuzz distortion on the early records. I distinctly remember an interview about 20 years ago where Eric said it was a reference to the original 'Star Trek' TV show. He said that the weekly airing of the show was a great event, with people in his college (nearby Hobart) reminding each other 'It's On!' Anyway, he said his college pals used to drop acid and groove on watching 'Star Trek,' and that calling his guitar playing 'Stun- Guitar' was a valentine to the TV show, when Kirk would advise crew members to 'set their phaser on stun.' Is anyone out there familiar with this article? It would probably have been in 'Creem' magazine. Also, the Faq had a piece about Conry's bar and its significance in the song 'Before the Kiss...' The Faq says that the song was inspired by the sight of a couple exchanging reds while kissing. But I remember another ancient BOC magazine article that quotes, I believe Sandy Pearlman, saying that he encountered a biker at Conry's who stuck his tongue out at Pearlman, with a red on it, inviting him to be kissed thus! The same article also quotes Eric as saying that he was tripping once at Conry's and the gin did, indeed, 'glow in the dark.' This article also would likely have been in 'Creem.' BOC was always too hip and too heavy to be covered in Rolling Stone, and I doubt that such frankness would have passed the editorial muster there anyway. Anyone familiar with either of these references? theo From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Mon Dec 4 15:37:21 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 20:37:21 +0000 Subject: Ultimate Trepanation & get yourself guided In-Reply-To: <4832.9512041715@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, bart wrote: > Check out > > http://zikzak.zikzak.net/~thirdeye/ Wonderful pages - and cheap price $49.95 for the kit - as I see it it would work out at less half a dollar each! (based on the assumption that the kit is re-useable). As for the article about HCE - I expect everybody who stares at a computer screen or programmes computers will suffer at least the 3 out of 7 of the "How to know when your head is about to explode" symptoms. Maxine From 70762.141 at COMPUSERVE.COM Mon Dec 4 18:49:59 1995 From: 70762.141 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Richard P. Manny) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:49:59 EST Subject: BOC: set list for Melbourne FL Message-ID: <> Drats! This means that I missed them when they came through Tampa. I kept looking for an announcement and never saw one. Drats, drats, drats!!! Richard From vlegrand at POSTOFFICE.PTD.NET Mon Dec 4 22:00:06 1995 From: vlegrand at POSTOFFICE.PTD.NET (Vince LeGrand) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 22:00:06 -0500 Subject: Off Topic: julian cope/kraut rock Message-ID: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAC294.991EF080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Tangerine Dream - Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri, Atem, = Zeit > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >I noticed this in the "import sale" rack my local record shop is >having. Is this worth getting? I've heard many conflicting reports >regarding Tangerine Dream here and elsewhere. Is this a must-avoid or >a must-have? As a big fan of Tangerine Dream, I would have to put Electronic = Meditation in the category of "serious fans only." It is one of the few = T. Dream vinyl albums which I have yet to get on CD. It's greatest = claim to fame is that Klaus Schulze was a member when it was recorded. Vince ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAC294.991EF080 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IhIDAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ADQBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAFEAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABCT0MvSGF3a3dpbmQgRGlzY3Vzc2lvbiBMaXN0AFNNVFAAQk9DLUxATElTVFNFUlYu U1BDLkVEVQAAAAAeAAIwAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AAzABAAAAFwAAAEJPQy1MQExJU1RTRVJW LlNQQy5FRFUAAAMAFQwBAAAAAwD+DwYAAAAeAAEwAQAAAB8AAAAnQk9DL0hhd2t3aW5kIERpc2N1 c3Npb24gTGlzdCcAAAIBCzABAAAAHAAAAFNNVFA6Qk9DLUxATElTVFNFUlYuU1BDLkVEVQADAAA5 AAAAAAsAQDoBAAAAAgH2DwEAAAAEAAAAAAAAA/o2AQiABwAYAAAASVBNLk1pY3Jvc29mdCBNYWls Lk5vdGUAMQgBBIABACYAAABSRTogT2ZmIFRvcGljOiBqdWxpYW4gY29wZS9rcmF1dCByb2NrAPQM AQWAAwAOAAAAywcMAAQAFgAAAAYAAQD/AAEggAMADgAAAMsHDAAEABUANgA3AAEAZQEBCYABACEA AAA4OTc5NjE3RDgyMkVDRjExQjk5RTAwMjBBRkE0REIzOQA4BwEDkAYALAQAABIAAAALACMAAAAA AAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQDgZtfHvcK6AR4AcAABAAAAJgAAAFJFOiBPZmYg VG9waWM6IGp1bGlhbiBjb3BlL2tyYXV0IHJvY2sAAAACAXEAAQAAABYAAAABusK9x6V9YXmKLoIR z7meACCvpNs5AAAeAB4MAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AHwwBAAAAHAAAAHZsZWdyYW5kQHBvc3Rv ZmZpY2UucHRkLm5ldAADAAYQ7XLz8gMABxDGAQAAHgAIEAEAAABlAAAAVEFOR0VSSU5FRFJFQU0t RUxFQ1RST05JQ01FRElUQVRJT04sQUxQSEFDRU5UQVVSSSxBVEVNLFpFSVRJTk9USUNFRFRISVNJ TlRIRSJJTVBPUlRTQUxFIlJBQ0tNWUxPQ0FMUgAAAAACAQkQAQAAAJoCAACWAgAA9QQAAExaRnXH Fdpu/wAKAQ8CFQKoBesCgwBQAvIJAgBjaArAc2V0MjcGAAbDAoMyA8UCAHByQnER4nN0ZW0CgzN3 AuQHEwKAfQqACM8J2TvxFg8yNTUCgAqBDbELYOBuZzEwMxRQCwoUUdUL8mMAQCAa5D4ZzRNQam8T 0GMFQFQZAQZxbghlIEQWEGFtIC24IEVsHJEDYAMAYwXQpQmAaQGQdGkCICwUsORscBGAIEMJ8AGQ CHFnH0ET0R9AWmUe0AqLbPhpMzYcMRnvG18cZSTPOyXfJmZeJ3sKhyJPPkk7I28kdW4ccB5wCYAg dLpoBAAgC4AsAR1QIgdwEnAVsSBzB0BlIiCCcgDQayBteSAVoB5jB0AtoAWSK/BzaG96cCxQcyhf Is8b3hGAdmkLgGcuGuBJBCAsE3e5FbFoIB0AAkAywT8zAfwndh1QLKALES3wAHAuEP0FoG4Y4B5w NDIugS0CL2/3MH8xjxYQZwsRNiIc3iygTRYQIABwK/BlbBGwd6c7kjL5H6BtdRPALTKg/G9pK/AF sDbfN+8b3j1luTKRZT8KjxocQjVBPUKUYmk2QGYDkW9mOo7lH0BJM5F1bCvwQeIsAPBvIHB1BUAd /x8CLFa7LlAT0GcFsC4QRWEiEbA/BRAIYAQgRSEEIAIgbHn+Li2QMxAFQCwxAiAdUEVhdSySZgfR VDLwHXQysXnjAyAHQGJ1bTOBLCARcPtGkUcjeRHAR2I0AUtBH7DyRDLydCcEIAnBScETwP81kAth HbBHcUUgB4BL8iwQ2R7wIEsLYErRUxFwRuCyeh1Qd2E9QxPgYgSQf05xCfAsUAVAU6IulAmALvtC NUI1VguAK9AhDyIeHFYvVv8iHUQWFTEAXEAAAAMAEBABAAAAAwAREAAAAABAAAcwgKXVDr3CugFA AAgwgKXVDr3CugEeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABSRTogAAAAAMUw ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAC294.991EF080-- From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Mon Dec 4 15:05:00 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 21:05:00 +0100 Subject: HW: It's So Easy Message-ID: Hi Paul >The tape I have is labelled _Detroit '73_. (I don't know if the label >is necessarily accurate, though.) It's a great version, anyway. I have also this tape! There is another tapes on the "market". Chicago 1973. But this tape is wrong dated. It is only a better version of the last 30 minutes from the Detroit tape! cu Bernhard ======================================================= BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Mon Dec 4 22:38:41 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 21:38:41 -0600 Subject: Why no Trep Yet - Late Response In-Reply-To: <5B61CCC4AC5@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > > always have new music at my disposal but understand this, most tapes I buy > > cost $.99; my entire cd collection is numbers less than 40 and most of those > > are from the cutout bin costing anywhere from $1.99 to $5.99. Further I > > have a list of music I wish to procure which runs roughly full price thus I > > plan to get a little of this and a little of that when the budget allows. > > Wishes and dreams are one thing, economics another. We don't know each > > other, but I totally understand what you're saying. Feed the kids. The > > cheap music is much more valuable than the expensive stuff (compare it to a > > car -- does one always need the latest model just to get from one place to > > another, or will something that works just fine do?) > > > > Take care. > > > > -- Howard > > hwillman at aol.com > > I'm of a different opinion. I'd rather have one great album, even if > it costs 20 bucks, than a hundred cut-outs. Ususally, they're cut > out for a reason, if you get my drift. - what cutouts rock!! its just a pain in the ass to look though all of them for the one gem thats usually there. thats where i got my copy of Hawkwind's palace springs -best 7 bucks i ever spent! the store i was at didn't have any other hawkwind in at the time and i thought i was going home emptyhanded and then there it was yahoooooooo!! experiment with destiny i believe... -mike psyche From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Tue Dec 5 01:17:35 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 01:17:35 -0500 Subject: Why no Trep Yet - Late Response Message-ID: Yes, cut-outs don't mean shitty albums. I've found plenty of HW, and all sorts of different music that I consider to be good in cut-out bins. Anything can be cut out, it usually just means that it was a promotional copy given to a radio station or some such and isn't to be sold at full-price. I've built about half of my music collection (which is very large) on cut-outs and bargain bin finds. Some of my favorite albums I bought for 49-99 cents... (Not talking about CDs here, though, but tapes and records.) And it depends on what "sort" of cut-out bin, ya know. Some can absolutely suck and some can be full of goodies...and I guess it has to do w/your musical taste, too. In defense of cheap music, Chuck From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Dec 5 06:44:11 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 06:44:11 -0500 Subject: Why no Trep Yet - Late Response Message-ID: > >On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > >> > always have new music at my disposal but understand this, most tapes I buy >> > cost $.99; my entire cd collection is numbers less than 40 and most of those >> > are from the cutout bin costing anywhere from $1.99 to $5.99. Further I >> > have a list of music I wish to procure which runs roughly full price thus I >> > plan to get a little of this and a little of that when the budget allows. >> > Wishes and dreams are one thing, economics another. We don't know each >> > other, but I totally understand what you're saying. Feed the kids. The >> > cheap music is much more valuable than the expensive stuff (compare it to a >> > car -- does one always need the latest model just to get from one place to >> > another, or will something that works just fine do?) >> > >> > Take care. >> > >> > -- Howard >> > hwillman at aol.com >> >> I'm of a different opinion. I'd rather have one great album, even if >> it costs 20 bucks, than a hundred cut-outs. Ususally, they're cut >> out for a reason, if you get my drift. >- what cutouts rock!! its just a pain in the ass to look though all of >them for the one gem thats usually there. thats where i got my copy of >Hawkwind's palace springs -best 7 bucks i ever spent! the store i was at >didn't have any other hawkwind in at the time and i thought i was going >home emptyhanded and then there it was yahoooooooo!! experiment with >destiny i believe... >-mike psyche > > I agree with Mike, sometimes it is worth looking through 2,000 cutouts for that one you've been looking for for years. Just cause it's a cut-out doesn't mean its not any good. An lp will become a cutout not just because it is not any good, or slight defects, sometimes it is just a matter of overproduction on the record companies part. Duane -- " We are the warriors at the edge of time. " From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Dec 5 07:04:56 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:04:56 +0000 Subject: Faq observations. In-Reply-To: <5BC7AC97126@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Ted O. Jackson wrote: > [..] Can anyone tell me if there's an > in-depth look at BOC's gtrs, amps etc. as they've evolved (gear, not > the band) through the years. As you know, I'm pretty well up on this > stuff. If it isn't on the faq, is there any interest in having it > added? If so, who shuld I contact? I'd certainly be interested in seeing this on the faq > > The faq had an interesting story about the term 'stun-guitar.' Faq > [.......] theo Those are interesting alternative versions of the faq stories! However... It may be a fruitless task trying to determine which is the *correct* story behind the 'stun guitar', 'Redcap' etc... Different band members may genuinely have different memories about this stuff (particularly if they were tripping their way through the late sixties/early seventies). Witness the recent Beatles TV programme: apparently when they got together to discuss the history of the band P, G, & R had entirely different memories of much of what happened. Dave Ob: Atherton 185 not out, against 492 balls, for 645 minutes Atherton & Russell, an unbroken stand of 277 minutes "The Victoria Cross is not awarded for cricket of course....but something should be struck immediately and pinned on the chest of Mike Atherton" (The Guardian) From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 5 07:26:24 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:26:24 +0000 Subject: RON/Lord of Light In-Reply-To: <9512040954.AA01066@etlxd20c> from "Rob S" at Dec 4, 95 09:54:32 am Message-ID: > > This Love in Space song has some of > > the worst lyrics I have every heard for HW? WHo wrote them? Were they > > about Brocks past wife???? > > Anyway, I thought ROn's vocals on Lord of Light were awful... I never > > was bothered much by him before.... I guess he is here to stay > > though.. > > C'est impossible!!!! Lord of Light was my highlight of the > gigs I went to. I thought Ron sounded better singing this than > anything else. > I also quite liked the music for Love In Space, but couldn't > make out the lyrics at the gigs. I have to chime in here, for once marginally disagreeing with Scott ;) I haven't heard the tape Scott has, but I thought Ron's singing on LoL at Brixton was just fine, no problem. And I too couldn't hear any lyrics to "Love in Space" (excepting those of the title) but overall I thought it sounded cool and its a shame it didn't make the album (I'm assuming "Space Sex" is not the same thing). Cheers, Carl From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Dec 5 07:50:10 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 13:50:10 +0100 Subject: RON/Lord of Light Message-ID: > I have to chime in here, for once marginally disagreeing with >Scott ;) I haven't heard the tape Scott has, but I thought Ron's >singing on LoL at Brixton was just fine, no problem. And I too >couldn't hear any lyrics to "Love in Space" (excepting those of the >title) but overall I thought it sounded cool and its a shame it didn't >make the album (I'm assuming "Space Sex" is not the same thing). Last track on "White Zone" is entitled "Love in Space". Is this track the same you're talking about (now with lyrics)? >Cheers, >Carl \\joe From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Tue Dec 5 08:12:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 13:12:00 GMT Subject: RON/Lord of Light Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9512051250.AA11248 at sonor> Joe asks > Last track on "White Zone" is entitled "Love in Space". Is this track > the same you're talking about (now with lyrics)? I wondered this too, so I gave it a listen the day after the Brixton gig, while my memory was still fresh - but it didn't sound a lot like it to me. - Andy ObCD: Beastie Boys - _Paul's Boutique_ From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 5 09:21:14 1995 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 14:21:14 +0000 Subject: OTHER: Rob S pulling me up on my terms... In-Reply-To: <9512041440.AA01454@etlxd20c> Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Rob S wrote: > Aren't you confusing bootleg tapes with pirate tapes. I would have > nothing to do with pirate tapes as they deny an artist both royalties > and sales figures, whereas a bootleg of a live gig is doing no harm, > as the vast majority of bootleg tapes are sold to/made by fans who > already try to get everything the artist has anyway. Rob - no, I know the difference, but I agree I'm not making much sense there. Think there was some idea in my mind about bootlegs of recorded events, but it's not an everyday occurrence that, is it? Need my head checked over - too much radio music I fear. Yours, Jazza /----------------------------------------------------------\ | "So, Penfold, what did you think of Popacatepetl?" | | "Er, not yet chief, but I will as soon as we | | get to the kitchen." | |==========================================================| |Jonathan Jarrett ( History ) | Ext. Tel. 01223 460728 | | ( Pembroke College, | Int. Tel. 32049 | | Cambridge CB2 1RF ) or | E-MAIL: | | 2 Selwyn Gardens (7), | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk | | Cambridge CB2 1NG. | | \__________________________________________________________/ From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Dec 5 12:20:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 09:20:00 PST Subject: Possible Virus/Solution and other Info Message-ID: Receieved via Private E-mail from Chris: >do you have any more info on this virus? I opened >the file without any problems but does this mean I'm >not infected? Is it one of these new fangled macro-viruses >that seem to be coming out of micro$oft ? >What effect does it have - I saved your file to the server >here at work and would like to know so that we can take >any remedial action. Chris and others who use the MS Word version of the directory: If the virus is contained in the Word Document it will cause you problems when using Word only. It somehow corrupts the Normal Template, and stops Word from responding or general protection faults. The cure is to reinstall or use and earlier version of the Normal Template. It never caused any problems with any other programs to my knowledge. Our OA staff tells me that some memos sent from our Corp. headquaters contained the virus. We activiated it when we clicked on the attachment and called up Word. They devised a macro which fixed the problem. If you experience any I'll try to find the macro but you may want to talk to your OA staff prior to using it. AB From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 5 09:55:52 1995 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 14:55:52 GMT Subject: RON/Lord of Light Message-ID: > I have to chime in here, for once marginally disagreeing with >Scott ;) I haven't heard the tape Scott has, but I thought Ron's >singing on LoL at Brixton was just fine, no problem. And I too >couldn't hear any lyrics to "Love in Space" (excepting those of the >title) but overall I thought it sounded cool and its a shame it didn't >make the album (I'm assuming "Space Sex" is not the same thing). > >Cheers, >Carl Quite right Ron's singing on Lord's was one of the High points of this tour, or was it the fact they played it :-) Space Sex as well as Love in Space were completly different songs than that heard on the tour. Space Sex from the Alien album is quite a Dancey Electronic Ditty, While Love in Space is well like most of the White Zone zzzzzzz. Love in Space from the Tour went something like this, and had a good beat :-) Love in space I'll die for you Love in Space I'll Cry for You etc etc etc Good song though. Derrick... --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. --------------------------------------------- From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Tue Dec 5 10:22:11 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:22:11 +0000 Subject: RON/Lord of Light In-Reply-To: <9512051455.AA18773@sun1.bham.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > Love in Space from the Tour went something like this, and had a good beat :-) > > Love in space I'll die for you > Love in Space I'll Cry for You > etc etc etc > Good song though. I was totally mesmerised at this point of the concert - great track. And this is coming from someone who doesn't really appreciate the Calvert Years that I think Ron has in some how re-invoked (such a word?) in the other band members. Maxine From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Tue Dec 5 10:33:08 1995 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 10:33:08 EST Subject: HW: RE: Hectic HW week Message-ID: Greetings Spacers ! A note from the cold north ( my car looks like an Igloo right now). I agree completely with Johan concerning the DLP "Assassins of silence". Great job Doug, perhaps more of that in the furure ? I think we can start the countdown Johan, I'm getting a bit excited already. Over and out. Henrik From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Dec 5 11:55:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 11:55:00 EST Subject: MS-WORD Virus Software Message-ID: This is the software we use to correct this fault along with directions. Rudy ---------- From: Mallion, Robert (ISSP/WTChen) To: Admin, Po5 (Volpe); Admin, PO4; Admin, PO3; Admin, PO2; Admin, PO1 Subject: MS-WORD Virus Software Date: Friday, September 01, 1995 11:41AM Priority: High [[ SCAN.DOC : 2908 in SCAN.DOC ]] The following directions pertain to the use of the Microsoft Word Virus scanning software. The virus affects your .DOC files. Most viruses in the past have only affected executable files (.EXE, .COM, .DLL, etc.). Should you need further assistance, contact your group LAN administrator. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1. Copy the file which is included as an ATTACHMENT to this message (SCAN.DOC) to your local drive into the directory which contains your MS-Word files (in most cases, the WINWORD directory); 2. Start up Microsoft Word; 3. Be sure all Word documents are closed; 4. In Word, on the File menu, click Open; 5. In the File Name box, type \WINWORD\SCAN.DOC 6. Click OK. The macro to check for the virus in your .DOC files is run automatically; the macro checks your NORMAL.DOT template for evidence of the virus. A message will appear on your sceen if *** Your Word installation is clean *** If the virus is found, it its deleted, and a macro named PayLoad is left in its place. If Word indicates that it has found the virus, use CleanAll to search through existing .DOC files and fix them. To run CleanAll: 1. On the Tools menu, click Macro; 2. In the Macro Name list, click CleanAll 3. Click in the Directory box, and type the name of the name of the directory (folder) in which you want Word to start checking; NOTE: the scanning process may take an extended amount of time, depending on the number of documents you have and on the size of your hard disk. Repeat this process for all directories in which you have Word .DOC files. The following binary file has been uuencoded to ensure successful transmission. Use UUDECODE to extract. begin 600 SCAN.DOC MT,\1X*&Q&N$`````````````````````/@`#`/[_"0`&```````````````! M````*@``````````$```*P````$```#^____`````"D```#_____________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M_______________________``(``P!L00```````&Q!```````````````````````````` M`&Q!````````;$$```````!P1@```````&Q!````````,D$````````R00`` M`````&Q!`````````````````````````````&Q!````````;$$```````!L M00```````&Q!````````;$$````````R00```````&Q!````````,D$````` M``!L00```````*1#``````````````````#@Z4!IS&RZ`49!```.````5$$` M`!@````R00```````#)!````````,D$````````R00```````&Q!```````` MI$,```````!L00``.`(``&Q!```````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````)*BHJ66]U2!P2!H879E(&)E96X@2X-#5)U M;FYI;F<@=&AE($-L96%N06QL($UA8W)O#51O('-C86X at 86YD(&1I2!S M:&]R=&-U=',@=&\@9&]C=6UE;G1S(&EN('EO=7(@4W1A2!S=')U8W1U2!T:&5M2!B92!I M;G-U9F9I8VEE;G0@<&5R;6ES2!H879E('1H92!F:6QE(&]P96XN#5=H:6QE M(&]P96YI;F<@:6YD:79I9'5A;"!D;V-U;65N=',@=&AE('5S97(@;6%Y(&=E M="!A;B!E4QO860&9&0O:0-43U,T9]$`9#YI`U1/4V0=:0-43U-SK`,, M;`$`'F12:0)B)`QG!8`%;`T`!@=J1TYO=&4Z(%EO=2!M=7-T(&-L:6-K(&]N M(%EE6]U9%(=9RN`!6I#66]U4QO M860@;6%Y(&)E(`=R9&\":E%A9&1E9"!T;R!Y;W5R($YO4QO8602<_8!$G-0`0QL M`0`24QO8602. at 05I"4)A9$UA8W)O M)`8-:@A"=6EL="!);F1O`AUI"4)A9$UA8W)O)`QJ!U!A>4QO860#9PF`!6>O M@`5GCH$%:0E"861-86-R;R0&!A)L"@`&#&<)@`5I!'--9202;`H`!AYD;P,= M:09&;W5N9"0,:@-997,>*FD)3W5T=&%(97)E9&\#:09&;W5N9"0,:@-997-D M;P(@9&\#'6<#@`5GCH$%:0E"861-86-R;R0&!@]L&0`>9&\$:0)A)`QJ`RXN M+@=G"8`%9["`!6>. at 05I"4)A9$UA8W)O)`8&$FP6``9D;P, at 9&\$:0)A)`QG ML(`%9XZ!!6D)0F%D36%C@QL`0!D;P,A9XZ!!6D) M0F%D36%C@=L`0!D;P,B M9&\#9RN`:@M4:&4@;6%CU M@`5L`0`&$FH)36%C:6YT;W-H!@]L```&'F1O`FD#36%C#&P!`&1O`FD&<75O M=&4D#&H`9%(?!69&\" M:P\@,38M8FET(%=I;F1O=W-D;P)I`TUA8PQL``!D;P)I!G%U;W1E)`QJ`&12 M(&1O`FD#36%C#&P``&1O`FD&<75O=&4D#&<%@`5L(@`&9%(:'6129&12:RH@ M4')ED at 04&9%)GI(%L``!D M4B]I!D1L9U1/4S1GT0!D4CYI!D1L9U1/4V12:0E3=6U03H2 M=@A$:7),86)E;&1O`F?9@&RT`!)L,``2;*``$FP2`!)W!$1I9&\":0-D;&=W M!&1I9&\"9RN`!6H43W!E9%)G*X`%:D%9;W4@:&%V92!C:&]S96X@=&\@ M`,,:0-D;&=V!W-U8F1IF4,9[F`!09D4AT%:01S:7IE M#&P```8>9&\":09B=71T;VX,9RN`!6H[3F\@9&]C=6UE;G1S(&9O=6YD+B`@ M5')Y(&%G86EN('=I=&@@9&EF9F5R96YT('!A=&@O<&%T=&5R;C\2:A-"871C M:"!-86-R;R!#;&5A;G5P$FPT``9D;P(=!6D&8G5T=&]N#&P```8>9&\#9RN` M!6H43W!EF4&!VH<('1O=&%L(&9I;&5S('1O(&)E('-E87)C:&5D+A)J M$T)A=&-H($UA8W)O($-L96%N=7`2;#``!F129YD"9%)G$8%L``!D9%(=!6D, M4W1A9&\#:05T3(D M$FD#1&QG=P1$:7(D!@QL```&'F1O`VL((&=I=F4@=7!D;P-G*X`%:C%5;F%B M;&4@=&\@=W)I=&4@=&\@;&]G(&9I;&4L(&]P97)A=&EO;B!C86YC96QL960N M$FH30F%T8V@@36%C$ET!6D#9FXD!AYD;P0=:093879E270%:0-F;B0&'F1O M!6L)('-U8V-E9&\&:09B=71T;VX,9RN` M!6H(0VQE86YE9"`':0-F;B0':@$N!V<%@`5L#0`&!VHJ1&ES<&QA>2!T:&ES M(&UE:05Q=6EE=`QL`0!D;P4:'61O!39Q;`$`$FH+0VQE86YE9#H@ M("`H:0-F;B1D;P5I!V-L96%N960,:0=C;&5A;F5D!VP!`&1O!!H=9&\#&AUD M;P-K+B!D:7-P;W-E(&]F(&ET('=H96X at 9&]N92P@=VAE=&AE-G%L`0`2:0EN;W1O<&5N960H:DH@ M9&]C=6UE;G0H-G%L`0`2:0AN;W1S879E9"AJ12!D;V-U;65N="AS*2!C;W5L9&XG="!B M92!S879E9#L@=&AED at 6P!`&129]$` M$ET!6D#9FXD!F12:0-&;V\,;``` M9%)I`T9O;PQI`T9O;P=I!T-L96%N270%:@9!04%:1E,&9%)I`T9O;PQI`T9O M;P=I!T-L96%N270%:@9!04%:04\&9%(=!6D#1F]O#VP```8>9&\":SP@2!E=FEL(&]N97-D;P)K$2!D971E8W1E9"`H86)O=F4I9&\":0-&;V\,:0-& M;V\':0=#;&5A;DET!6H*1FEL95-A=F5!. M at 05I"4)A9$UA8W)O)`9D4AUI!&UF;B0-:@`#:01M9FXD#6H(0G5I;'0 at 26X> M9&\"9]X`:0AD;W1F:6QE)`QI M"&1O=&9I;&4D!VH!7&12:01S9FXD#&D(9&]T9FEL920':09$;&=&4TES9P!D M4FD(9&]T9FEL920,:0AD;W1F:6QE)`=J#'Y?7U]414U0+D1/5&1D4FM#(&EF M('1H97)E)W,@;F]T:&EN9R!I;B!I="!T;R!S=6=G97-T(&ET('-H;W5L9"!S M=&EL;"!B92!A('1E;7!L871E+&12:S@@W@`5L`0`&#&P``!YD;P)K,R!D;V-U;65N M="`M+2!C;VYV97)T(&9R;VT@=&5M<&QA=&4 at 8GD@=')I8VMY(&UE86YS.F1O M`FL[('-A=F4 at 8VQE86YE9"!U<"!T96UP;&%T92P@=')Y:6YG(&AA2!A($1O8W5M96YT M(%1E;7!L871E+B`@1&\@>6]U('=A;G0@=&\@8V]N=F5R="!I="!T;R!A(')E M9W5L87(@1&]C=6UE;G0_("A)9B!Y;W4 at 87)E(&YO="!S=7)E('1H870@=&AI MK@&D$K@&D(9&]T9FEL921D M4F`4``'D%``!]!0``NP4``+P%``"^!0``R`4` M`$@&``!)!@``WP<``/P'``#]!P``"P@``#0(```\"```ZPH```,+``#V"P`` M&0P``*$,``"F#```IPP``*@,``"U#```&0T``!H-```;#0``(PT``%D-``!: M#0``7 at T``)8-``";#0``G0T``)X-``"F#0``]0T``!@.``"!#@``F at X``"81 M```]$0``TA(``$,X````^P#Y`/<`]`#P[0#P[0#P[0#I[0#TY^4`XP#E`.4` M[0#P[0#M\.T`\.T`[0#P[0#E`.$`]`#?```````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````"=0$``E:!``):@0`"7@$``V,8``=5 at 5:!8Q@`!%6!5H$` M!E6!5H%>`0`%58%C&``"6X$``E6!``=5 at 5:!8R0``#<``P``)P,``"@#```I M`P``\0,``/(#``#8!```V00``/0$``!;!0``7`4``'\%``"P!0``QP4``,@% M``!)!@``2 at 8``%P'``!=!P``WP<``.`'``#]!P``"P@``#X(``#K"@``[`H` M``,+``"%"P``]0L``/8+```:#```B`P``&<-``#^``'`(:(!_@`!P"'P`/X` M`<`A\`#^!/_`(>4!_@`!P"'P`/X``\`A\`#^``'`(?``_@`!P"$;`?X``<`A M\`#^``'`(?``W0`!P"'P`-T``<`A\`#=``'`(?``_@`!P"'P`-@``L`A/0'^ M``'`(?``_@`#P"'P`/X``<`A\`#^``+`(?``_@`!P"$;`?X``<`A&P'5``'` M(?``M``!P"'Z`+0$_\`AF@;^``'`(?``U0`!P"'P`+0$_\`AZ@&T!/_`(>H! M_@`!P"'P`-4``<`A\`"T!/_`(>H!M`3_P"':`@`````@```-"Q%H`1.8_ at PT M_P$`"````0````$`:`$```````"W```````````````````````````````` M```````````"```(`0`$```F"0 at H"0@`(```#0H1.`03F/X,-````0@``/__ M```!`&@!````````+@`````````````````````````````````````````` M`0``(&<-``#T#0``]0T``!D.``"/#P``%A```"41```F$0``/A$``#\1``#R M$0``\Q$``"X2``!3$@``A!(``*P2``#2$@``WP3_P"'J`=T``<`A\`#:``'` M(?``WP3_P"'*`]\$_\`AZ@'?!/_`(=H"O0`!P"'P`+T``<`A&P&]``'`(?`` MO0`"P"'P`+T``<`A\`"]``'`(?``O0`!P"'P`+T``<`A\`"]``'`(?``O0`! MP"'P```````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` M`````````````````````````````!P```PT_P$`"````0````$`:`$````` M``"W```````````````````````````````````````````"```(`0`!```` M(```#0L1:`$3F/X,-/\!``@```$````!`&@!````````MP`````````````` M```````````````````````````0#@`1``@``0!+``\``````!H``$#Q_P(` M&@`&3F]R;6%L``(````#`&$)!``N``%``0`"`"X`"4AE861I;F<@,0``"@`! M``@!%?``%CP`"P!5 at 5T"`&,<`&L<````````````````````````(@!!0/+_ MH0`B`!9$969A=6QT(%!A'0`)P`0`!#`]`\@``H@`4`"8`.`!*`%P`;@!P`)(`I`"P`````` M`````````P!A"00``````-(/```%`-(2`````/____\"``0A__\!```@__\" M``````#T"@``T@\``````0````$``````#@""$1A=F4 at 4F%Y)UQ<05535%)) M05Q054),24-<1&%V95)A>5Q&24Y!3%Q30T%.+F1O=`A$879E(%)A>2Q<7$%5 M4U1224%<4%5"3$E#7$1A=F5287E<1DE.04Q<1FEN86Q30T%.+F1O=!5-:6-R M;W-O9G0 at 0V]R<&]R871I;VXL7%Q!55-44DE!7%!50DQ)0UQ$879E4F%Y7$9) M3D%,7$9I;F%L4T-!3BYD;W0536ECG"`>HH`6IH`6J``!B;W@@=VEL;"!N;W0 at 87!P96%R M+B`@5&AE(&UA8W)O('=I;&P@=7-E(&$@9FEL92!T>7!E('-P96-I9FEE9"!I M;G1E6UB;VP`"R:0`0``07)I86P`(@`$`#`(@!@``-`"``!H`0`````` M```````````````!``````````````````````````0`@Q`````````````` M`````````````````````````````/_O_^__[__O_^__[__O_^__``#O_^__ M[__O_^__[__O_^__[__O_^__[__O_^__[__O_^__[__O_^__[__O_^__[__O M_^__[__O_^__[__O_^__[__O_^__[__O_^__[__O_^__[__O_^__``#O_^__ M[__O_^__[_\``.__[__O_^__[__O_^__[__O_^__[__O_^__[__O_^__[__O M_^__[__O_^__[__O_^__[_\``.__[__O_^__[__O_^__[__O_^__`0````(` M```#````!`````4````&````!P````@````)````"@````L````,````#0`` M``X````/````$````!$````2````$P```!0````5````%@```!<````8```` M&0```!H````;````'````!T````>````'P```"`````A````(@```",````D M````)0```"8````G````*````/[____]____+0```/[___\U````_O______ M___________________________________^________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M____________________________________________________________ M______________]2`&\`;P!T`"``10!N`'0`<@!Y````!0(`````_____P`` M``#_?P``````````````$`0(`@```&0```#6"P``%@`%`?__________`0`` M```)`@``````P````````$8`````P`+%ILMLN@'@Z4!IS&RZ`2P```#``P`` M`````%<`;P!R`&0`1`!O`&,`=0!M`&4`;@!T```````````````````````` M```````````````````````````````:``(!`@````,```#_____```````` M`````````````````````````````````````````````#M1`````````0!# M`&\`;0!P`$\`8@!J```````````````````````````````````````````` M`````````````````````!(``@'_______________\````````````````` M````````````````````````````````````:@````X!```%`%,`=0!M`&T` M80!R`'D`20!N`&8`;P!R`&T`80!T`&D`;P!N````_____P`````````````` M````````````*``"`?____\$````_____W"AL1KA``````````````````#^_P``!``" M```````````````````````!````X(6?\OE/:!"KD0@`*R>SV3````#,`0`` M$@````$```"8`````@```*`````#````T`````0```#<````!0```/P````& M````"`$```<````4`0``"````"@!```)````2`$``!(```!4`0``"@```'P! M```+````B`$```P```"4`0``#0```*`!```.````K`$```\```"T`0``$``` M`+P!```3````Q`$```(```#D!```'@```"8```!30T%.+D1/0R!T;R!F:6YD M(&%N9"!F:7@@<')A;FL@;6%C`````0`````````>`````0`````` M```>````"0```%-C86XN9&]C`````!X````6````36EC````)@```%-#04XN1$]#('1O(&9I;F0 at 86YD M(&9I>"!PP4``"$#!`1)5$E#`""6"```()D$`50`("(%`5,`("(#`E!(`"`K!0`` M(#0%```@.04``"#(!0``(-H%```A`@4"24,`!`<``!`'```9!P``("L'```@ M+`<``"`Y!P``(#L'```@/`<``"`^!P``(#\'```@Q`<``"#'!P``(,@'```@ MR0<``"#:!P``(/0'`D%,`"`J"0``("P)```@/`D``"#1!P%3`!`(```2"``` M&0@``!X(```?"```("@(```@*@@``"`K"```("P(```@.0@``"`Z"```(#L( M```@/`@``"`^"```(*,(```@Q`@``"#+"```(-H(```@VP@``"#\"`1,24Y+ M`"`K!@)'4P`@*P8!4P`@*`8"5$4`$`4!4P`@[@4&5U))5$52`"`K`P-515(` M`08``"!#!@``(%(#"E9)5$%424].04P`()D&`5D`()D'```@_P,!60`@*`0` M`"#$!`)%1``@. at 0%4T-!3$4`(#P%!$A!4D4`("L"`T5!5``!!0``("H%```@ M*P4``"`^!0``($,%```@1`4``"!.!0``(%(%```@4P4``"!]!0``((\%```@ MEP4``""=!0)%4@`2!P``&`<``!X'```?!P``(#L'```@/`<``"`^!P``(/\' M```A%`<``"$5!0),60`!!P```P<```@'```@.@<``"!2`P-%0T4`!08```L& M```:!`%+``4%```@.04``"`[!0``(04%```A!@4``"$'!0``(0@$`4X`'@4` M`"`\!0``()X%```@_P4!10`@*P4%2$]54T4`()8*```@F04$4U1/3@`@G at 0$ M5$E.1P`@I@@!4P`@*@D``"`K`P%'``$$```@0P0``"!/`P-9140``08``"!) M`@))1``@*P0``"`\!`1,24Y%`"#+"`%3`"`Y"0``(,L$`U!!1``@*P,"4$4` M`04``"!$`@-/4U,`!`4``"#)!0``(.L%```@[@,#54Y$`""7!@)%1``@_P@` M`"$%"```(08(```A!P@``"$("```(10(```A%08!4P`@FP0!4``!!0``!P4` M`!(%```3!0``&@4``!L%```@)P4``"`H!0``("L%```@+04``"`P!0``(#0% M```@- at 4``"`Y!0``(#L%```@/`4``"!"!0``($,%```@204``"!*!0``()(% M```@GP4``""F!0``(-(%```@VP4``"#L!0``(0(%```A!`4``"$*!0``(18% M`TE.1P`@-`@``"$""`%3`"$9!0%3``<&```5!@``&P8``"`M!@``(-8&```@ MV08``"#L!@``(1`%!%=!4D4``0D``"`J"0``("L)```@0P,#5D53`""/!@`` M()T#`5<`("L$```@+00#24Y'``0$`5,`&00"5$@`!`8``""8!@``()H&```@ MIP8``"#$!@``(,4&```@Q at 8``"#H!@``(.X"`5``&0,``!L#!$)94D,`(-8' M```@V0,.0TA/3U-%1$%404)!4T4`(-$$`T].5@`;`P1(1DQ4`"`Y!P``(#P# M"DQ)4U1(14%$15(`(-$#`U!)0P`@TP(+4E)24E)24E)224X``0T``"!#"P12 M4DE.``$/```@0P($54%%4@`!!@``($,""%I90D]74TM!`!H!`5,`("L"`50` M&@,``"#'`P``(,D!`E0Q`"`K`@$S`"`K`P%)`"`K`@$T`"`K`P%%`"`K`P%8 M`"`K!`%)`"`K`@%/`"`K`@-705D`("@!`54`(#H"!T%204Y4144`(04)```A M!@D``"$'"0``(0@)```A%`D``"$5"0%$`"$!!`1$24%.`"`K`@-%4U,``04` M`"!#!0``($\%`D5$``$'```@3P0!5``9!0``(*@"!DE$04Y#10`@*P@``"`] M!`%%``,%```%!0``$@4``!\%```@*`4``"`J!0``("L%```@+`4``"`V!0`` M(#D%```@. at 4``"`[!0``(#P%```@/04``"!"!0``(%8%```@>04``""3!0`` M()L%```A!`4``"$%!0``(08%```A!P4``"$(!0``(1(%```A%`4``"$5!0%$ M`"`K!05,24Y%4P`!"@``("@*```@/0H``"!#!0%3`"`K`P-.14$`&@('3D1% M4DQ/60`!"0``($,"`U!400`@*P("4E4`("L"`50``0,``"!.`P-415(`(#L" M`5D``0,``"!#`P``($L#```@40,!4P`!!```($,!`58`(-8!`5<`(#X"!5E. M151(`"`M!P``(0H'`5<`("@!!EA4,3`P,``@*P0#-3!,`"`K!@%-`"`K`0%9 M`"#6`0*#V0`@U@$!GP`@.@(``"#6`@%)`"`I`@%7`"#6`@*#V``@U@(#GY^# M`"#6!`')`"#6`06JUD/$SP`@U@$!P``@U@$"P5H`(-8#`4D`(-8!`L)(`"#6 M`0C%VM1!R\7:U``@.P$!RP`@U@(!00`@.P("RXH`(-8"``0``("0!```@*`$``"`I`0``("L!```@.0$``"`Z`0``(#L!```@ M/`$``"`]`0``(#X!```@/P$``"!"`0``($L!```@;0$``"!N`0``(&\!```@ MB@$``"#-`0``(-8!```A`0$``"$.`0``(1`!`3``(-8!`3$`(#\!`3(`(-8! M`3,`(-8!`30`(#\"```@U@("RMD`(-8"`LW9`"#6`@+.V0`@U@("S]D`(-8! M`3@`(#D"```@U@$!.0`@/@$%04))5%,`(10&```A%0(*0TA!34]6251#2``A M&0,#2T52`"`^`P)-4``@*P(!1``!`P``"`,``!(#```@)0,``"`M`P``("\# M```@.`,``"`Y`P``(#X#```@0P,``"!+`P``($P#```@30,``"!.`P``(%8# M```@BP,``""2`P``()0#```@EP,``""9`P``()\#```@^P,``"$2`P``(18" M#D545$5.4T-(5T5)3$52`"`E$```(#@0```@BQ```"#[`@-&S5H%(0$%``DA M`0(#249!``L"`TI)0P`@5 at 4``"$2!0``(1H"`DM%`"$.`@%,`"`K`P%&``$$ M```'!```("@$```@, at 0``"!#!```((@$```@E at 0``""8!```()D$```@F at 0` M`"$!!`543TY%4P`@/`,!3``@*P('34U%4DQ!0@`@*P("3D0`&00``!H$```@ M*`0``"`K!```(#H$```@RP0``"$4!```(14$!$)/3TL`(#P(```@[0@``"$% M"```(08(```A!P@``"$("```(10(```A%00"140`(0H$`T953``@CP0$2$5, M1``4"```("P(```@,00&24-20494`""7!`),10`!!@``"`8``!T&```>!@`` M("T&```@.P8``"`^!@``($,&```@3P8``"!6!@``(1(&!$)!4E,`(),&`40` M!`<``"`Z!P``(-H&`5(`'@8!4P`'!P``&0<``!X'```@-`<``"`[!P``(#P' M```@H@<``"#!!P``(0(%`TE.1P`:"```("@(```@.P@``"`^"```(%8(```@ M@`@``""!"```(*8(```@QP@``"#)"```(-L(```A$@0!4P`@*`4``"!\!0`` M(10%```A%04$2$%+10`@. at 0&5U))5$52`"`K"`-)3D<`("4+```@.`L``""+ M"P``(/L$`5D``04``"!#`P%'`!0$```8!```("8$```@,P0#24Y'`!('```@ M.P0!4P`2!0``("8%```@,P4``"!6!0``(1($!E5,5$%,2P`@*P,!3@`@-00` M`"$#!`%!`"`J`@5014U!3@`@*`<``"`M!P``(0H#`U!%3@`8!@``&P8``"#I M!@``(.H&```@_P8``"$9!@)%,3```!X````>````36EC#^_P``!``"```````````````````````!`````M7-U9PN M&Q"3EP@`*RSYKC````#8````"`````$```!(````#P```%`````$````<``` M``4```!X````!@```(`````+````B````!````"0````#````)@````"```` MY`0``!X````6````36EC from "Rudich, Robert A" at Dec 5, 95 11:55:00 am Message-ID: > This is the software we use to correct this fault along with directions. > > [Rest of this post deleted in the interests of sanity] Is it absolutely necessary to post 700+ lines of something with absolutely no conceivable connection to BOC, HW, or even _music_ to the list!? Or is there some earth-shaking reason that this can't be sent through private email that I'm just missing out on? Carl From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Tue Dec 5 16:55:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 13:55:00 PST Subject: MS-WORD Virus Software Message-ID: For information Carl, the virus post is relevant to all participants on BOC-L who have accessed theMS Word version of the BOC/HW directory. It is essentially a warning that if you accessed the MS word version of the BOC directory your pc may be infected with a virus. In addition, how to cure the problem was posted also. If you did not receive the directory then the post was irrelavant to you and you are free to ignore. If you have accessed the directory, specifically the MS Word version you are advised to re-read the posts. Ignoring it could cause problems with your pc later. You may be reffering to another post not sent by me on this subject as the lines you highlight are not familiar to me. Thanks AB > This is the software we use to correct this fault along with directions. > > [Rest of this post deleted in the interests of sanity] > Is it absolutely necessary to post 700+ lines of something with >absolutely no conceivable connection to BOC, HW, or even _music_ to the >list!? Or is there some earth-shaking reason that this can't be sent >through private email that I'm just missing out on? Carl From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Tue Dec 5 10:12:16 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:12:16 +0100 Subject: Space Ritual 1972 Message-ID: Hello Jill >What makes Brixton the source tape rather than one of the others? Just listen at the end of the tape and then you will know... cu Bernhard ======================================================= BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Tue Dec 5 13:32:46 1995 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 10:32:46 -0800 Subject: Imaginos (the movie) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Imaginos should be a movie, with the album tracks moving between > background and foreground music. Al recorded various bits of incidental > music also. Not sure who would have the vision to > direct such a venture...Stephen King was the obvious first thought, but > his material seems to be almost exclusively set in small town America. Or > Werner Herzog, with Klaus Kiinsky resurrected from the dead to play Baron > von Frankenstein. Actually, as the only person who seems to think that > Kenneth Branaugh made a reasonable fist of Frankenstein, maybe he could > do it. Or Francis Ford Coppola.... > Who's the guy who directed Reservoir Dogs? He would be an ideal director for such a sweeping, chaotic vision. > Starring (in no particular order) > Oliver Reed or Tom Baker as Grandad (in Magna of Illusion) Peter O'Toole > Alan Rickman or Basil Rathbone as Baron von Frankenstein Michael Douglas (a la Black Rain) > Jeremy Irons as Dr John Dee (occult advisor to Elizabeth) Whoever played Doc Holliday (Holiday?) in Wyatt Earp A passerby in Times Square From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 5 14:53:23 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 19:53:23 +0000 Subject: MS-WORD Virus Software In-Reply-To: <30C4B2BF@houmg001.shl.com> from "BREVARD Adrian R." at Dec 5, 95 01:55:00 pm Message-ID: > For information Carl, the virus post is relevant to all participants on > BOC-L who have accessed theMS Word version of the BOC/HW directory. It is > essentially a warning that if you accessed the MS word version of the BOC > directory your pc may be infected with a virus. In addition, how to cure > the problem was posted also. If you did not receive the directory then the > post was irrelavant to you and you are free to ignore. If you have accessed > the directory, specifically the MS Word version you are advised to re-read > the posts. Ignoring it could cause problems with your pc later. You may be > reffering to another post not sent by me on this subject as the lines you > highlight are not familiar to me. Well, I appreciate the connection with the list directory, though I've not had the time to follow all the posts connected with the directory and was simply rather shocked when an enormous piece of email about MS Word viruses appeared in my mailbox from the list. If I have squeaked about an appropriate post, please forgive--I guess I've gotten a bit jumpy with all the recent "noise" on the list ... Cheers, Carl From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Tue Dec 5 14:54:45 1995 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 11:54:45 -0800 Subject: MS-WORD Virus Software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Carl E. Anderson wrote: > > This is the software we use to correct this fault along with directions. > > > > [Rest of this post deleted in the interests of sanity] > > Is it absolutely necessary to post 700+ lines of something with > absolutely no conceivable connection to BOC, HW, or even _music_ to the > list!? Or is there some earth-shaking reason that this can't be sent > through private email that I'm just missing out on? > > Carl > Hear, hear. The M$ virus is of great importance, but the fix is available everywhere. From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Dec 5 15:08:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:08:00 EST Subject: Sorry about the Virus Spam Message-ID: The post should have been very short with an attachment which included the software. I forgot this was not going direct and the attached program got printed out as part of the message. If you'd like the corrective software, e-mail me and I'll send it direct. Sorry that you got spamed, all, especially you Carl. Rudy From lansford at VNET.NET Tue Dec 5 15:17:38 1995 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 20:17:38 GMT Subject: MS-WORD Virus Software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, "Carl E. Anderson" wrote: >> This is the software we use to correct this fault along with directions. >> >> [Rest of this post deleted in the interests of sanity] > > Is it absolutely necessary to post 700+ lines of something with >absolutely no conceivable connection to BOC, HW, or even _music_ to the >list!? Or is there some earth-shaking reason that this can't be sent >through private email that I'm just missing out on? I think the Word Virus got distributed along with the Word version of AB's list directory. But really guys, it would have been much simpler to say "MS has known about this for a number of months, and there is a Word macro available on their server that deals with it." From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Tue Dec 5 15:26:13 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:26:13 -0500 Subject: Imaginos (the movie) Message-ID: >Who's the guy who directed Reservoir Dogs? He would be an ideal director >for such a sweeping, chaotic vision. > Thats Quentin Tarantino. I already made the same suggestion! M From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Dec 5 15:27:58 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 21:27:58 +0100 Subject: OTHER: viruses on BOC-l Message-ID: Do Not Panic, BOC-l The only way this particular virus infects via E-mail, is if the attached document contain an AutoOpen macro, which executes automatically when the document is opened. The DIRECTORY file had no such thing inside. If you want to check the status of your own M$ WinWord, check TOOLS/MACRO - if this box don't contain a macro called AutoOpen + some weird stuff like XXYZZZ or similar - you're not infected. If you're infected - you're infected from another source. ...and this is the final word in this thread? \\Dr Joe From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Tue Dec 5 16:15:25 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:15:25 -0500 Subject: Off Topic: julian cope/kraut rock Message-ID: > Re: the krautrock list - wot, no Einstuerzende Neubaten ?! Or Eloy - sheez! -- Virus Scan Error Message: Windows '95 found .... remove it (Y/y)? Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Tue Dec 5 18:17:03 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 18:17:03 EST Subject: New HW Cover #3 available for download Message-ID: Cranked out yet another version of the HW Cover Tape project insert, this time for tape 3 of the set. I tried to take into account the suggestions made on BOC-L. Any interested parties are invited to download and examine it from Paul's ftp site at csgrad.cs.vt.edu:/pub/boc-l Changes from previous versions include a new font for the word "NETHAWKS", the return of the original disclaimer from Tape 1, and a futuristic font for the track listing (hopefully easier to read). The title of this tape is "Charged With Cosmic Energy". :-) If this one passes muster from the list, then I will re-make the first two tape labels to be identical to this 3rd insert, with the only exception being the tape names and the tracklists. When printed, each insert will be on a different colored paper. All comments are always accepted... Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Dec 5 19:09:18 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 19:09:18 -0500 Subject: New HW Cover #3 available for download In-Reply-To: <9512051817.A12002@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Dec 5, 95 06:17:03 pm Message-ID: Captain Cloud writes: > Cranked out yet another version of the HW Cover Tape project > insert, this time for tape 3 of the set. I tried to take into > account the suggestions made on BOC-L. Any interested parties are > invited to download and examine it from Paul's ftp site at > csgrad.cs.vt.edu:/pub/boc-l I've also converted this to a .GIF file and added it to the web page I made that has the other two on. The URL is: http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/paul/boc-l/covers.html Cheers, Paul. obCD: Laibach, _Let It Be_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Tue Dec 5 19:48:40 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 01:48:40 +0100 Subject: New HW Cover #3 available for download Message-ID: >Captain Cloud writes: > >> Cranked out yet another version of the HW Cover Tape project >> insert, this time for tape 3 of the set. I tried to take into >> account the suggestions made on BOC-L. Any interested parties are >> invited to download and examine it from Paul's ftp site at >> csgrad.cs.vt.edu:/pub/boc-l > >I've also converted this to a .GIF file and added it to the web page >I made that has the other two on. The URL is: > > http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/paul/boc-l/covers.html That's it, dudes. No further changes, thank you. >Cheers, > >Paul. \\joe ObThingToDo: Going home and fall asleep... From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM Wed Dec 6 07:35:53 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 07:35:53 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Career of Christmas Message-ID: Hooray, back on line again after a few probs. Like my firm changing my e-mail address without bothering to mention it. Many thanks to Ben for sorting me out. Just a short question: What is the status of Career of Christmas? Deb posted that there was some delay in receiving the tape from a bloke in California or something like that. I was wondering if this has been resolved. Has anyone got their copy of CoC yet? I noticed that Deb requested to be unsubscribed when all the kerfuffle was going on. Hopefully she is back or Al is still there and he can give us an update. Hoping I didn't miss anything - .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.DNET at sbphrd.com From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Wed Dec 6 11:55:44 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:55:44 -0600 Subject: Another Cover Version In-Reply-To: <951121.141015.EWT.SWELTON@VMPROFS.ESOC.ESA.DE> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Nov 1995, Sebastian Welton wrote: > I get the NME about a week late here but reading through the singles review > I noticed that there's a new cover version of Silver Machine released. It's > the b-side of a single just released by The Mystics on Fontana records. We've added a few songs to the Covers Project, so if someone has a copy of this SM version, please send a copy to both Dave Berry and myself at: From: Allan T. Grohe, Jr. 2327 Murphy Dr. #10 Lawrence KS 66046-3959 USA From: Dave Berry My address is: 48 Lodgefield, Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire, AL7 1SD, UK. Thanks! Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM Wed Dec 6 12:12:13 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:12:13 -0500 Subject: HW: Gig announced Message-ID: I'm sorry if I missed any postings after my recent probs with my mail. Also being mainly a BOC type of person, I may have overlooked it, but in NME this week is an ad as follows: Top Rizz Present Solsice Party [two headed bird thing with sun] Hawkwind Captain Rizz+ + Tipi Trance Tribe DJs The Forum Fri 22nd Dec 7.30 till late tickets #10 Booking: 0171 344 0044 (24 hrs) also from Tower and a few other places. Hope this has helped and exited a few of you. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sbphrd.com From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Wed Dec 6 13:09:08 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 18:09:08 GMT Subject: HW: Gig announced Message-ID: > Top Rizz Present > > Solsice Party > > [two headed bird thing with sun] > > Hawkwind > > Captain Rizz+ > + Tipi Trance Tribe DJs > > The Forum Fri 22nd Dec > Arrrggh....why? why? Why is it that when I live so close to London they choose the one weekend in the year that I'm in Bristol to play there, when most of the band live near Bristol anyway. It's not fair!! bye - Rob From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 6 13:15:10 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:15:10 EST Subject: Some enchanted evening. Message-ID: Just picked up a copy of the above title for 2 bucks. 12 incher vinyl, of course. Pretty good shape, too, with picture sleeve of Allen and Eric at cruising altitude aboard the ubiquitous Lear jet. Don't know if the band ever had/used one, but makes for a great photo shoot! Reverse side features concert photos of the band members. Most cool. The label features the portrait of the reaper from the album cover. Probably my least favorite 'real' BOC album, but not 'cause I don't like it. I was in a band that played a lot of BOC when the album came out, and we covered four songs off it: 'R U Ready...,''Godzilla,' 'Reaper' and 'We Gotta...'(Our singer liked The Animals). Anyway, that meant listening to the album a million times to get the guitar solos down. Wound up hating some of my favorite songs! Glad we didn't decide to cover 'Astronomy.' Has anyone noticed that 'Reaper' appears to be speeded up? I recall that I had to figure it out in Bm and then move it down to Am. I know it's in Am 'cause I've seen them play it a million times, and the version on 'Agents' is definitely in Am. Maybe it was just the piece of shit turntable I had at the time? Any comments? theo From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Dec 6 13:47:09 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:47:09 -0500 Subject: Some enchanted evening. Message-ID: In a message dated 95-12-06 13:19:56 EST, you write: >Has anyone >noticed that 'Reaper' appears to be speeded up? I recall that I had >to figure it out in Bm and then move it down to Am. I know it's in >Am 'cause I've seen them play it a million times, and the version on >'Agents' is definitely in Am. Maybe it was just the piece of shit >turntable I had at the time? Any comments? >theo maybe it was your turntable raising it a whole step... you didn't have the benefit of Compact Discs back in those days, which are the best to play by ear with...cassettes usually play a half-step lower than what the actual music is...but if you're the one doin' the cover, you can play it any way you wish... Agents is in Am...Buck plays it in a different key nowadays and uses a capo everytime he plays it...when asked why he uses the capo, Eric Bloom said "I think it has something to do with being in the key of B"...Bminor maybe? ROBO From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Wed Dec 6 13:56:42 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:56:42 -0600 Subject: BOC: cult symbol guitar In-Reply-To: <5EAC41F334F@hawk.syr.edu> Message-ID: i was just thinking about the BOC show i saw when they opened for Rush in 86 they brought out a guitar that was in the shape of the cult symbol do they still use this? what was it and whosewas it ? anyone know? - mike psyche From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 6 14:08:22 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:08:22 EST Subject: Some enchanted evening. Message-ID: > you didn't have the benefit of Compact Discs back in those days, which are > the best to play by ear with...cassettes usually play a half-step lower than > what the actual music is...but if you're the one doin' the cover, you can > play it any way you wish... > > Agents is in Am...Buck plays it in a different key nowadays and uses a capo > everytime he plays it...when asked why he uses the capo, Eric Bloom said "I > think it has something to do with being in the key of B"...Bminor maybe? > > ROBO Robo, Buck Dharma using a capo! Is nothing sacred? I haven't seen BOC in a couple of years. Last time I did, he was doing Reaper in Am without a capo. I know why he does it, I think. Must be to suit his voice? But all of Buck's songs are(were?) in Am. This is a puzzle! Also, why doesn't he use another gtr tuned up a step? Probably make the strings too tight and hard to bend. The capo makes sense, 'cause the chord forms wouldn't come off well using Barres, and that's what you'd have to do. Hard to play Reaper and make it sound good in open Bm! Thanks for the input. ted From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 6 14:34:52 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:34:52 EST Subject: BOC: cult symbol guitar Message-ID: > i was just thinking about the BOC show i saw when they opened for Rush in 86 > they brought out a guitar that was in the shape of the cult symbol > do they still use this? what was it and whosewas it ? anyone know? > - mike psyche Mike, That's kind of funny, 'cause back in the good old times, I saw Rush open for BOC. The correct order of performance IMNSHO. I'm pretty sure that gtr was made by Giuliano, the guy who made Buck's custom gtrs back then. It was Eric's gtr. I understand he still has it, but has retired it, being it's a one of a kind instrument. I suspect it's really 'cause the thing's too heavy and unwieldy. I've played flying Vs and explorers in clubs, and you're always banging them into something! Eric also had a Paul and an SG with chronos symbols inlaid in the tops in pearl. theo From rhame at CTP.COM Wed Dec 6 15:50:59 1995 From: rhame at CTP.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:50:59 -0500 Subject: Some enchanted evening. Message-ID: > > you didn't have the benefit of Compact Discs back in those days, which are > > the best to play by ear with...cassettes usually play a half-step lower than > > what the actual music is...but if you're the one doin' the cover, you can > > play it any way you wish... > > > > Agents is in Am...Buck plays it in a different key nowadays and uses a capo > > everytime he plays it...when asked why he uses the capo, Eric Bloom said "I > > think it has something to do with being in the key of B"...Bminor maybe? > > > > ROBO > Robo, > Buck Dharma using a capo! Is nothing sacred? I haven't seen BOC in > a couple of years. Last time I did, he was doing Reaper in Am > without a capo. I know why he does it, I think. Must be to suit his > voice? But all of Buck's songs are(were?) in Am. This is a puzzle! > Also, why doesn't he use another gtr tuned up a step? Probably make > the strings too tight and hard to bend. The capo makes sense, 'cause > the chord forms wouldn't come off well using Barres, and that's what > you'd have to do. Hard to play Reaper and make it sound good in open > Bm! > I may be wrong, but I believe all of the live versions (SEE, ETL, and OYF) are in Bm. I say this because I used to regularly play bass to the various BOC albums and always was playing A when playing the Reaper from AOF and B from the live albums. You could say that the album was just sped up, but I didn't have to change the way I played any other songs on the live albums. Maybe Buck has an easier time singing it in Bm live? Hmmm.... Rich -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Rich Hamel ! The Cat in the Hat came back, wreaked ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! a lot of havoc on the way. Always had a ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! smile, and a reason to. ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! ! ! (617)-374-8266 ! Their world is black backgrounds, ! ! rhame at ctp.com ! and they don't need to sleep to dream. ! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Dec 6 16:57:47 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:57:47 EST Subject: Some enchanted evening. Message-ID: >Buck Dharma using a capo! Is nothing sacred? When BOC played Melbourne Saturday I spotted Buck using a capo on at least one song (don't rem which one). Captain Cloud From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Wed Dec 6 20:39:51 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 00:39:51 -0100 Subject: Some enchanted evening. Message-ID: >> Agents is in Am...Buck plays it in a different key nowadays and uses a capo >> everytime he plays it...when asked why he uses the capo, Eric Bloom said "I >> think it has something to do with being in the key of B"...Bminor maybe? >> >> ROBO >Robo, >Buck Dharma using a capo! Is nothing sacred? I haven't seen BOC in >a couple of years. Last time I did, he was doing Reaper in Am >without a capo. I know why he does it, I think. Must be to suit his >voice? But all of Buck's songs are(were?) in Am. This is a puzzle! >Also, why doesn't he use another gtr tuned up a step? Probably make >the strings too tight and hard to bend. The capo makes sense, 'cause >the chord forms wouldn't come off well using Barres, and that's what >you'd have to do. Hard to play Reaper and make it sound good in open >Bm! > >Thanks for the input. >ted > But even the version on Live 1976 is in Bm, and I believe it has always been that way live. But why the use of capo? There's no one visible in 1976. Is it just because he does not want to change to another (tuned up) guitar (which he apparently did back then)? Dan From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Wed Dec 6 19:17:00 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 19:17:00 -0500 Subject: Forwarded message from former list member Message-ID: A former long-time BOC-L subscriber asked that I forward this to the list for him. (Send any replies to him, not me.) Here it is... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Laibach, _Opus Dei_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. Guido Vacano writes: ----------------------- Hello-- Some of you may be aware of the fact that, about two or three weeks ago, I quietly unsubscribed to boc-l. This, I expect, will be my last post to the list. I have a couple things I would like to say. For those of you who are not interested, I apologize, and assure you that you will not be subjected to my meanderings in the future, at least not in this forum. Feel free to skip to the next post. Why did I unsubscribe? I finally realized that I was wading through scores of posts, and that none of them were amusing, informative, or thought provoking. That intangible thing called "quality" (in Robert Pirsig's sense) was gone. That came as quite a shock, since "quality" was present in abundance during my five years of boc-l residency. I have recently learned that matters on boc-l have not improved; on the contrary, it appears that the degeneration has continued, possibly accelerated. I'd like to thank the cool people who made boc-l the great place that it no longer is. These include (but are not limited to) Mike (FoFP), Jill, Martyn, Paul, Carl, Niko, Ben, Jean, Deborah, Al, Stuart, Craig (pass me the geritol :-) ), David, Tim, Tania, and Scott. I will miss you folks, and I hope you keep in touch. My email addresses are: gvacano at gems.vcu.edu gvacano at beaver.wesleyan.edu gvacano at eagle.wesleyan.edu You can also find me lurking on the erpnotes list, I subscribe to Elephant Talk, and I hope to be an active contributor to Steve Swann's irock list. It's good that there are places like these; free of the piss, coffee, web site updates, pathetic fanboy adulation, condescension, arrogance, and vapid, stream of conciousness chatter that has come to characterize boc-l. Those at fault for this state of affairs know who they are. Thanks for everything, Ben. I don't envy your role as moderator of this mess. Finally, here's a string of emoticons. :-) :-| :-( :-0 ;-) :-P :-[- (Frank Zappa or Jesus--your choice) :-D %-P B-) All of the above is IMHO, of course, and I hope it leaves you ROTFLYAO. :-) Thanks, Dr. Guido N. Vacano From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Dec 6 21:10:32 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:10:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Tour Books Message-ID: jill asks: What's the Monmore one like? I've seen it occasionally but never bothered to pick it up. Is there much Hawkwind in it?< it's ok,but short.it is half(the book is 12 pages)hw, and the rest is some band called vardis.hw is two pages of discography,two pages of stills,and two pages of history(however brief)dating from 69 to 81. rj From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Wed Dec 6 21:40:37 1995 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:40:37 -0500 Subject: BOC in Florida Message-ID: Hello all, As many of you know, BOC just completed a 5 date swing through Florida. I was able to attend three of the shows: Melbourne, St. Pete, and Orange Park (Jacksonville). The set list for the three shows did not very much from the one for Melbourne previously posted. 'Harvest Moon' and I would Like to see You in Black' were the only unreleased songs they played. And I might say - were EXCELLENT ! I was fortunate to have an opportunity to speak with the band personally at all three shows. Everyone was very open and receptive to my questions and were generally in good moods. The new drummer and base player were very good. I also finally met Rick Downey who is now their tour manager. He now lives in South Florida where he has opened his own recording studio. Here is some of the more interesting info from those conversations: No record deal yet. The band seems somewhat frustrated by this (as well as all of us !). Eric won't even speculate when a new album will be released. The sound at the St. Pete show was marginal - I asked Rick about this at the Orange Park show and he said he was not happy about the venue at all. He told me that the Band does not bring there own production equipment (speakers - etc..) - and must rely on the club. However, the show in Orange Park at 'Shades' was awesome sound - lights - crowd - everything. Pat Travers opened up. For those who have already ordered Buck Dharma T-shirts - they should be delivered before Christmas. I went over the lyrics for Harvest Moon that were posted some time ago on this news group with Buck. The posting was almost exactly correct (Great Job !). I will provide the corrections in a future post. By the way - Buck wrote the song way back in '86. A person at the Orange Park show had a copy of the Apollo 440 version of the Reaper. Buck and Eric did not know it even existed - the club played it for them following the show. I thought it was rather interesting. The person said that only 100 copies exit in the states. He had a friend pick it up in England. If any one has a copy - let me know - I would love to get a copy. I asked Buck about some of the imports available - like 'Rock and Roll Reapers' etc. They don't get a nickel from those releases - they are done without the band's permission. I see that that this is getting rather long - If I think of anything else post it later. Enjoy, Shawn From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Wed Dec 6 21:40:47 1995 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:40:47 -0500 Subject: e-mail friendly directory Message-ID: Well here it is. The Grinning Boys BOC-L Directory. I hope you're not too disappointed, but hopefully it's OK as a point and shoot thing. All credit to Adrian (AB) Brevard without whose efforts etc etc. Please note that information included here has been forwarded for that purpose. Other information could have been added by, eg, taking it off the bottom of people's postings but hasn't been because it wasn't specifically requested (and was too much hassle). If anybody has any additions or corrections etc then please e-mail me privatetly, copying in A(OD'd on coffee itself)B. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com ============================================================================== +---------------------------------------+ | BLUE OYSTER CULT / HAWKWIND DIRECTORY | +---------------------------------------+ Listing of Memebers of BOC-L ---------------------------- (Note: Ages correct on, or about 29 Aug 1995) Primary Band: Blue Oyster Cult. =============================== NAME HANDLE AGE E-MAIL ==== ====== === ====== Adrian Brevard.......|AB...............|37|Abrevard at shiwas01.washington.shl.com Andrew A. Apold |Mordru...........|27|mordru at magg.net Ben Cohen............|.................|28|ben at st-canard.spc.edu Bert Edens...........|Chigger..........|..|bedens at intellinet.com Brad L...............|.................|32|.......... Brian Halligan.......|.................|20|Halligbt at bigvax.alfred.edu Charlie Grant........|Charles the......|38|grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sb.com |Grinning Boy Charlotte Brorsson...|.................|29|epkchb at kaepk.ericsson.se Chip Hart............|.................|..|chip at pcc.com Chris Shortall.......|Imaginos.........|19|cis4 at aber.ac.uk Dan Lindfors.........|.................|34|.......... David Hardman........|.................|33|dh2 at bes.leeds.ac.uk Ed Eichendorf........|Ike..............|..|ike at mo.net Eric M. Falk.........|EF...............|30|.......... H. Ric Hedges........|.................|43|Rocker22 at aol.com Howard Willman.......|Howard...........|35|HWillman at aol.com Ira Cooper...........|Martian Land.....|25|cic8180 at tam2000.tamu.edu |Lizard Jason Gool...........|.................|34|etljegl at etlxdmx.ericsson.se Jason O'Broin........|.................|24|jobroin at madge.com Jean Delacour........|.................|41|delacour at unm.edu Jeff Berry...........|JB...............|28|.......... John Swartz..........|.................|31|John_Swartz at iegate.mitre.org Joseph Brooks........|Imaginos.........|..|jbrooks at bpalace.com Kevin Rubin..........|Gnome............|26|gnome at teleport.com Manuel Alzaga Jr.....|.................|31|delacour at unm.edu Mark Jeffers.........|Nolan Voyd.......|27|stargaze at hevanet.com Mark Joslin..........|mjos.............|34|mjos at mail.cpbx.net Matt Thompson........|.................|27|thompsom at osoft_nt.buckhead.com Mike Propst..........|.................|16|Warren at bigdog.fred.net Niko Makila..........|.................|27|Niko.Makila at csc.fi Peter Sondergeld.....|.................|31|p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au Phillip A Jaeger.....|Riordan..........|30|.......... Rich Hamel...........|Rich.............|28|rhame at ctp.com Robert Khol..........|Dr. Bob..........|..|rkohl at state.de.us Rob Maerz............|ROBODUDE.........|25|nstk33a at prodigy.com Ross Reyes...........|RR...............|35|Reyes at nj.semiharris.com Robert Sedler........|Torgo............|32|.......... Robert Welch.........|.................|..|rbwelch at netcom.com Shawn Quinn..........|squiin...........|30|squinn at digital.net Steve Phillips.......|Dr. Zaius........|29|zaius at teleport.com Ted O. Jackson.......|Theo.............|41|tojackson at hawk.syr.edu Thomas Nelson........|The Gumby Man....|30|gumby at primenet.com Unknown..............|TOX..............|..|tox at wjh.harvard.edu Unknown..............|Subhuman.........|24|.......... Primary Band: Hawkwind ====================== Alan Seibert.........|.................|25|alanseibert at delphi.com Allan T. Grohe Jr....|.................|..|iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Allen B. Ruch........|The Great Quail..|..|TheQuail at cthulhu.microserve.com Andrew Fergus Wilson.|yuri gagarin.....|25|.......... Bernhard Pospiech....|.................|35|.......... Bill Stewart.........|.................|41|.......... Bob Rudich...........|Rudy the ferret..|41|Rudich at volpe2.DOT.GOV |mage Carl Edlund..........|.................|..|cea20 at cus.cam.ac.uk Anderson. | Chuck Johnson........|Captain Cloud....|30|cjohnson at ccmail.sur1a.hpsc.hisd. | harris.com Chuck Rosenberg......|.................|22|.......... Craig Shipley........|Ship.............|39|craigs at pyramid.com Chris Bates..........|Chris............|31|c.d.bates at shu.ac.uk Chris Baxley.........|.................|34|chris_baxley at sonymusic.com Damon C. Capehart....|Le Monseur Damon.|22|dcapehar at utdallas.edu Dave Berry...........|.................|34|.......... Dave Cohen...........|lapis............|..|lapis at pobox.upenn.edu David Jones..........|.................|34|david at mastmoor.demon.co.uk Derrick C Chilton....|.................|28|.......... Doug Pearson.........|Ceres (records)..|27|ceres at sirius.com Duane Hoyt...........|Duke.............|37|aa5287 at freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu Endre Zsoldos........|.................|38|zsoldos at ogyalla.konkoly.hu Frank Weil...........|.................|34|frankw at comm.mot.com Gary Wingert.........|Wingo............|37|gary at z-code.com or wingo at well.com Guido Vacano.........|.................|30|.......... Henrik Hallgren......|.................|36|100522.44 at compuserve.com Jerry Guizar Jr......|.................|35|iguizar at epix.net or | jguizar at genesis.nred.ma.us Jill Strobridge......|Jill.............|..|J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk Johan Edlundh........|\\joe............|32|hawkjoe at eka.ericsson.se John Cartledge.......|.................|32|cs0jca at isis.sunderland.ac.uk John McIntyre........|Wolf.............|..|mcintyre at pa.msu.edu Julian Christou......|.................|41|christoj at plk.af.mil,christou at as. | arizona.edu Keith Barton.........|.................|26|K_Barton at eng.hud.ac.uk Keith Frazier........|.................|35|.......... Keith Henderson......|Keith H..........|31|khenders at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu L. Sade Smagola......|Witch Doktressa..|36|he360 or gk450 at cleveland. |TBA freenet.edu (gk450 for direct mail) Martin Popoff........|Riff Kills Man...|32|martinp at inforamp.net Martyn Lawrence......|Marty............|34|martynl at fujitsu.com.au Martyn White.........|.................|38|.......... Maxine Wesley........|With Care........|32|mxw at dmu.ac.uk Mike P. Mccollum.....|Mike Psyche......|25|mccolmp at mail.auburn.edu Mike Wright..........|Big Mike.........|30|m.s.wright at reading.ac.uk Mitch Goldman........|.................|34|mitch.goldman at turner.com Neil Shilladay.......|.................|26|shillada at gatwick.Geco-Prakla.slb.com Norman Beresford.....|Thrak............|22|Norman at faith.ftech.co.uk Olivier Boigey.......|.................|30|o.boigey at techlink.fr Paul Ward............|Assassin.........|..|sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au |Sonique' Rob Stuckey..........|.................|25|.......... Ron Jennings.........|RJ...............|..|rjpxr5 at aol.com Scott Heller.........|.................|32|.......... Sebastian Welton.....|.................|31|.......... Stephen Lindsey......|Steve L..........|31|stephen at system9.unisys.com Stuart Hungerford....|.................|34|stuart.hungerford at dit.csiro.au Terry Poot...........|D-Rider..........|35|tp at jdt.com Vince LeGrand........|.................|41|vlegrand at postoffice.ptd.net (Primry band: The BrainSurgeons) ================================ Albert Thomas........|.................|48|wk06705 at worldlink.com Bouchard. | From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Wed Dec 6 22:32:59 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (Al Bouchard) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 22:32:59 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Career of Christmas Message-ID: Hi Charlie. > Just a short question: What is the status of Career of Christmas? > Deb posted that there was some delay in receiving the tape from a bloke > in California or something like that. I was wondering if this has Well sort of. This guy has told us he sent the tapes second day air today which means that we'll get them on Friday. We have the packages made up, so all we're waiting for is the cassettes. You all should be getting yours sometime next week. > been resolved. Has anyone got their copy of CoC yet? > I noticed that Deb requested to be unsubscribed when all the kerfuffle > was going on. Hopefully she is back or Al is still there and he can > give us an update. I'm still here. I just delete the dumb threads and I actually enjoy the flame wars! No problem. I hope I don't get unsubscribed if I try to flame somebody! Al From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Wed Dec 6 22:33:15 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (Al Bouchard) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 22:33:15 -0500 Subject: Some enchanted evening. Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Dec 1995 Ted O wrote: > Just picked up a copy of the above title for 2 bucks. 12 incher vinyl, > of course. Pretty good shape, too, with picture sleeve of Allen and > Eric at cruising altitude aboard the ubiquitous Lear jet. > Don't know if the band ever had/used one, but makes for a great > photo shoot! Yes we did use a Lear a few times but that shot was not one of them. That was a cool 2-prop turbo that we used a bunch of times and one time (possibly coming back from the Capitol Center - Live '76 show) we happened to have a photographer on board. > songs! Glad we didn't decide to cover 'Astronomy.' Has anyone > noticed that 'Reaper' appears to be speeded up? I recall that I had to > figure it out in Bm and then move it down to Am. I know it's in Am > 'cause I've seen them play it a million times, and the version on > 'Agents' is definitely in Am. Maybe it was just the piece of > shit turntable I had at the time? Any comments? Don had a problem singing Reaper live. It was too low for him to get any power in his vocal. So consequently he used a special guitar that a fan made for him (out of a wooden mold for auto windowscreens). It looked like a brown Les Paul with PAF pickups but it was extremely rigid so he was able to tune it up to F# so that Reaper would be in Bm. Does anybody know if he still plays it in Bm? Maybe his voice has gotten older with age. I haven't heard them since 1986. Al From wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM Wed Dec 6 22:33:32 1995 From: wk06705 at WORLDLINK.COM (Al Bouchard) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 22:33:32 -0500 Subject: Some enchanted evening. Message-ID: > >Buck Dharma using a capo! Is nothing sacred? Capos are cool. I use one on the live Surgeons version of DVN. It's a unique sound. Keith Richards uses them all the time. Al From Prozaxs at AOL.COM Wed Dec 6 23:38:19 1995 From: Prozaxs at AOL.COM (Ken Long) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 23:38:19 -0500 Subject: BOC: Some enchanted evening. Message-ID: When I saw the BOC show at Jaxxs in West Springfield a few months ago, Buck had a capo on his guitar for the Reaper, open 6th string was set to G. Is that normal? I thought is was played in some enchanted evening in open 6th string set to E. Ken From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Dec 7 01:07:43 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 01:07:43 -0500 Subject: BOC: cult symbol guitar Message-ID: it was EB's guitar he says that they "keep it in a safe place"... ROBO "fire me up with another Yuengling" von FrankenDUDE From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Thu Dec 7 07:55:23 1995 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 07:55:23 -0500 Subject: Oops ! Re: e-mail friendly directory Message-ID: I'm not sure how managed to resend this - sorry. Shawn From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Dec 7 10:24:54 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 15:24:54 +0000 Subject: BOC: cult symbol guitar In-Reply-To: <951207010741_127205616@emout05.mail.aol.com> from "Rob Maerz" at Dec 7, 95 01:07:43 am Message-ID: > it was EB's guitar he says that they "keep it in a safe place"... Mind you, that's what I usually say when I've lost something ;) Cheers, Carl From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Dec 7 10:39:03 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 15:39:03 +0000 Subject: OFF: _Czar_ CD FS (prog fans take note!) Message-ID: I recently ordered the self-titled CD from the 70s UK prog band CZAR, and it is pretty cool but I ordered it since Freakbeat indicated it was somewhat 'Sundial-ish' which I can't really hear and so I've taken an illogical dislike to it :} Nevertheless, it might well appear to fans of late 70s UK prog: guitar, bass, drums, mellontrons/harpsichords/various keyboards, and two people credited to "noises". The production is "70s UK" so it's hardly slick by 90s standards, but the sound is otherwise good and there are many excellent tunes and passages. I'd be happy to sell or trade to anyone who's interested, so drop me a line. I'll be back in the US over the holidays, so US folks need not worry about the problems of trans-atlantic trans-actions :) Cheers, Carl From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 7 14:21:06 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 19:21:06 GMT Subject: HW: Tour Books In-Reply-To: RJPXR5@aol.com's message of Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:10:32 -0500 Message-ID: > it's ok,but short.it is half(the book is 12 pages)hw, and the rest is some > band called vardis.hw is two pages of discography,two pages of stills,and two > pages of history(however brief)dating from 69 to > 81. rj Ah - interesting. Thanks - there's more there than I was expecting. And given that Vardis are one of the first bands to do a reasonably decent cover of Silver Machine I guess this might be worth chasing after all. Cue bank account...... Ta jill ob letoffthehook,maybe> getting all psyched up for an interview panel they then cancelled at the last moment 8-( ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Fri Dec 8 01:10:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 22:10:00 PST Subject: BOC in Florida Message-ID: >No record deal yet. The band seems somewhat frustrated by this (as well as >all of us !). Eric won't even speculate when a new album will be released. >Shawn Was there any mention of which companies they are negotiating with? Are they looking indie label or talking exclusively to Sony? BOCLNIE From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Dec 7 23:55:03 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 23:55:03 -0500 Subject: BOC in Florida Message-ID: >>No record deal yet. The band seems somewhat frustrated by this (as >Was there any mention of which companies they are negotiating with? Are >they looking indie label or talking exclusively to Sony? > Remember the mail-in card included in "Cult Classics"? Basically it asked some info and asked if there was interest in more BOC stuff from Herald Records. I just came across it again and finally sent it in. Don't know if it'll do any good, if that's a possibility or not... Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Dec 8 00:54:09 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 00:54:09 -0500 Subject: HW: Church of HW Message-ID: I bought the CoH CD earlier this week, Griffin. There are three songs on here (of 15 total) marked by asteriks - Identimate, Damage of Life and Mists of Meridin. Am I right to think that these were not on the original vinyl, but were released on CD as bonus tracks and were originally recorded in the CoH sessions? Also - Experiment With Destiny (Virgin Of The World). Which is the correct title, both? And why are there lyrics printed for it, but none to be heard on the song? I like to know these things. Thanks. Chuck From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Fri Dec 8 07:40:30 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 12:40:30 +0000 Subject: HW: Church of HW In-Reply-To: <01HYJO18A5C29D52MY@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Dec 8, 95 00:54:09 am Message-ID: > I bought the CoH CD earlier this week, Griffin. There are three > songs on here (of 15 total) marked by asteriks - Identimate, > Damage of Life and Mists of Meridin. Am I right to think that > these were not on the original vinyl, but were released on CD > as bonus tracks and were originally recorded in the CoH > sessions? I think they may well be more recent compositions, or at least some of them are--Alan Davey has a writing credit on one. But Damage of Life is an old Agents of Chaos tune ... Cheers, Carl From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Dec 8 09:14:55 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 09:14:55 -0500 Subject: HW: Church of HW In-Reply-To: <01HYJO18A5C29D52MY@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Dec 8, 95 00:54:09 am Message-ID: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes: > Also - Experiment With Destiny (Virgin Of The World). Which is > the correct title, both? And why are there lyrics printed for > it, but none to be heard on the song? I believe that same song appears under the title "Virgin Of The World" on the _Sonic Attack_ album. As for the missing vocals, as I remember the story, the _Church of Hawkwind_ CD was "reconstructed" from the extant tapes and rough cuts Brock had in his possession. He essentially remade the album from the bits and bobs of tracks he had. It may be he couldn't be bothered to redo the vocals. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Jethro Tull, _Aqualung_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 8 09:35:41 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 14:35:41 GMT Subject: HW: Church of HW In-Reply-To: HERBERT119@delphi.com's message of Fri, 8 Dec 1995 00:54:09 -0500 Message-ID: HERBERT119 at delphi.com writes: > I bought the CoH CD earlier this week, Griffin. There are three > songs on here (of 15 total) marked by asteriks - Identimate, > Damage of Life and Mists of Meridin. Am I right to think that > these were not on the original vinyl, but were released on CD > as bonus tracks Yep. > and were originally recorded in the CoH > sessions? Not sure. Damage of Life is certainly from that period though. > Also - Experiment With Destiny (Virgin Of The World). Which is > the correct title, both? Yep. > And why are there lyrics printed for > it, but none to be heard on the song? Good question. They did recite the lyrics at concerts for that period. > I like to know these things. Thanks. > > Chuck FoFP From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Dec 8 09:45:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 09:45:00 EST Subject: HW: Church & a side comment Message-ID: Chuck had some good questions on the extra songs on the Griffen CD. I'm too lazy to go to the codex, so I'm curious if they appeared elsewhere (Weird tapes, B sides, etc.). I'm not a true kollector in that I want the songs, but not necessarily the original artifact. I've been meaning to check these songs out for their 1st appearance, but just haven't gotten to it. Sidebar - I'm going through BOC-L withdrawal. The traffic has dropped off so much that I don't know if the cure is worse than the disease. I regret that Guido Vacano left, though I barely knew him. Deb's departure is real bad. I do like a little frivolity in life and hate to have to censor myself in that others may think what I have to post is garbage. Seems that others are having the same dilemma. There must be a happy medium. Somebody drink some coffee! Cleveland Rocks! - Right, Scott? Rudy ob CD - Todd Rundgren _A Wizard, A True Star_ From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Dec 8 10:15:57 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:15:57 -0500 Subject: HW: Church & a side comment In-Reply-To: <30C7C488@volpegate.dot.gov> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Rudich, Robert A lamented: > Sidebar - I'm going through BOC-L withdrawal. The traffic has dropped off > so much that I don't know if the cure is worse than the disease. I regret I know that around here we are entering finals week, which means people are either having to take exams and finish term projects, or else grade them (and all that other end-of-semester-rush fun). This problem may not be localised to Virginia Tech, which may be one reason contributing to the drop in traffic. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Laibach, _Kapital_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Dec 8 10:36:22 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:36:22 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind - "Elric the Enchanter" Message-ID: I recently picked up Live Chronicles (I already had TCotBS) primarily because it had many tracks that weren't on TCotBS). While I like it a lot, one of my favorite songs - "Elric the Enchanter" (well, the first half of it anyways, the part I liked) was changed from music to spoken lines, almost narrative. The second part (which I didn't like as much) was kept intact. Does anyone know why this was done? Also, I note in the credits (I have the griffin 2CD) it says, "Thanks to....sonic Assasin No. 1 (he knows who he is too!) (Arrrrggh!)". Is this Sonique Assassin or someone else? Overall, I liked it a lot though I miss the nifty interior artwork from TCotBS. No big deal, I'll make a tape combining the two, I guess. ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Dec 8 10:36:25 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:36:25 -0500 Subject: BOC/Hawkwind Message-ID: I noticed on the web page for Castle Donington Rock Festival that Blue Oyster Cult (and I don't want to go into anything else about what happened there) appeared in 1981, and Hawkwind appeared the next year. We have this list dedicated to both of them, Mike Moorcock (which was what got me from BOC to Hawkwind in the first place) did songs for both.....I was just wondering--have they ever appeared together? ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Dec 8 10:30:07 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 16:30:07 +0100 Subject: HW: Church Message-ID: >Chuck had some good questions on the extra songs on the Griffen CD. I'm too >lazy to go to the codex, so I'm curious if they appeared elsewhere (Weird >tapes, B sides, etc.). I'm not a true kollector in that I want the songs, >but not necessarily the original artifact. I've been meaning to check these >songs out for their 1st appearance, but just haven't gotten to it. This is the only place this tunes appear under Hawkwind name. Although "Damage of Life" appears under the "Agents of Chaos" name on both the _AoC_ and _Traveller's Aid Trust_. A different mix of the same takings? >Rudy \\joe From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM Fri Dec 8 10:54:04 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:54:04 -0500 Subject: BOC: cult symbol guitar Message-ID: Mike writes: >> i was just thinking about the BOC show i saw when they opened for Rush in 86 >> they brought out a guitar that was in the shape of the cult symbol >> do they still use this? what was it and whosewas it ? anyone know? >> - mike psyche Then Theo: >That's kind of funny, 'cause back in the good old times, I saw Rush >open for BOC. The correct order of performance IMNSHO. I'm pretty >sure that gtr was made by Giuliano, the guy who made Buck's custom >gtrs back then. It was Eric's gtr. I understand he still has it, >but has retired it, being it's a one of a kind instrument. I suspect >it's really 'cause the thing's too heavy and unwieldy. I've played >flying Vs and explorers in clubs, and you're always banging them into >something! Eric also had a Paul and an SG with chronos symbols >inlaid in the tops in pearl. >theo Just as an aside on this: I saw rock/punk 70's influenced band Redd Kross supporting someone (I think it was the Senseless Things) in London. During a fairly histrionic guitar solo, the lead guitarist lifted his guitar (possibly to play it with his teeth, I can't remember) revealing the back of the instrument. And there it was, a large BOC symbol, covering the whole of it. After the set I questioned him as he was standing at the bar and he said he was a big fan. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sbphrd.com From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM Fri Dec 8 11:02:49 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 11:02:49 -0500 Subject: BOC: London gig Message-ID: I am signing off for the next week as I have a weeks holiday. To all you going to the Forum next wednesday: I will, hopefully, meet you all in the pub next door. I will be getting there at about 6.30. Hopefully Tim will have a BOC-L hat on or something so that I can find you :-). I can't wait!! Only been waiting 6 years, 8 months and 28 days to see them again. Have a good week. Hopefully if there is some exciting news someone will let me know. Take care, .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sbphrd.com From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Dec 8 11:30:02 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 11:30:02 -0500 Subject: HW - "Elric the Enchanter" In-Reply-To: <199512081536.KAA30491@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Andrew A. Apold wondered: > I recently picked up Live Chronicles (I already had TCotBS) primarily > because it had many tracks that weren't on TCotBS). While I like it a lot, > one of my favorite songs - "Elric the Enchanter" (well, the first half of it > anyways, the part I liked) was changed from music to spoken lines, almost > narrative. The second part (which I didn't like as much) was kept intact. > Does anyone know why this was done? "For dramatic effect." Cheers, Paul. obCD: Santana, _Lotus_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Dec 8 11:30:06 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 11:30:06 -0500 Subject: BOC/Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <199512081536.KAA30495@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Dec 8, 95 10:36:25 am Message-ID: Andrew A. Apold writes: > > I noticed on the web page for Castle Donington Rock Festival that Blue > Oyster Cult (and I don't want to go into anything else about what happened > there) appeared in 1981, and Hawkwind appeared the next year. We have this > list dedicated to both of them, Mike Moorcock (which was what got me from > BOC to Hawkwind in the first place) did songs for both.....I was just > wondering--have they ever appeared together? Nah. Our "Hawk-n-Blue in '92" campaign failed. Steve reminiscing From khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU Fri Dec 8 11:53:58 1995 From: khenders at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU (Keith A Henderson) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 11:53:58 -0500 Subject: HW: LiveChronicles In-Reply-To: <199512081536.KAA30491@grumpy.magg.net> from "Andrew A. Apold" at Dec 8, 95 10:36:22 am Message-ID: Roger writes: > to....sonic Assasin No. 1 (he knows who he is too!) (Arrrrggh!)". Is this > Sonique Assassin or someone else? I believe that this should be 'Bass Assassin No. 1' shouldn't it?? And this, of course, is part of the Lemmy - Alan Davey 'banter' that went on for awhile on Motorhead and Hawkwind albums, respectively, during the late 80's. I once asked Alan about it before a HW concert a few years ago, and he told me that he had gotten Lem to autograph an album once, and he signed it 'Bass Assassin' (I don't remember whether he was referring to himself or Alan, the latter I think). Anyway, Alan then included notes to Lemmy on HW albums, referring to him as Bass Assassin No. 1 (the original, I guess) and Lemmy returned the favor by referring to Alan as Bass Assassin No. 2 (the prodigy, I presume). Appropriate monikers, I think. Of course, I may be wrong, and it *is* Sonic Assassin No. 1 on that particular album, in which case I don't know who it might be. Keith H. From moriaud at AMLEMAN.EHQMTS.GEO.MTS.DEC.COM Fri Dec 8 11:51:02 1995 From: moriaud at AMLEMAN.EHQMTS.GEO.MTS.DEC.COM (MORIAUD) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 17:51:02 +0100 Subject: BOC in Paris. Message-ID: Hello, I am back to boc-l after some trouble with our mail server... Woaaa, did I missed useful informations about BOC in Paris? I am very nervous because I ordered tickets for next thursday via the Minitel (you know, the french internet) and they are blocked due to the strikes... It seems that they will not arrive at home on time... The girl is trying to get them for me but it will be difficult... I have also called the french producer who agreed to give me backstage and rehersals pass. He just told me that they will not have time to reherse. Since they are playing the day before in London and due to the huge trafic problems (the strikes) in France, they will have no time left... My god, I am waiting for this day since 1984 and... I'll try to keep you informed. Cheers, _______________________________________________________ Jean-Charles Moriaud Digital Equipment Corporation Tel: +41 22 709 4979 12, av. des Morgines Fax: +41 22 709 4140 1213 Petit-Lancy INet: jean-charles.moriaud at geo.mts.dec.com Geneva X.400: c=ch; a=400net; p=digital; o=digital; ou=geo Switzerland _______________________________________________________ From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 8 13:00:57 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 13:00:57 EST Subject: BOC in Paris. Message-ID: > Hello, > > I am back to boc-l after some trouble with our mail server... Woaaa, > did I missed useful informations about BOC in Paris? > > I am very nervous because I ordered tickets for next thursday via > the Minitel (you know, the french internet) and they are blocked > due to the strikes... It seems that they will not arrive at home on > time... The girl is trying to get them for me but it will be difficult... > > I have also called the french producer who agreed to give me backstage > and rehersals pass. He just told me that they will not have time to reherse. > Since they are playing the day before in London and due to the > huge trafic problems (the strikes) in France, they will have no time left... > > My god, I am waiting for this day since 1984 and... > > I'll try to keep you informed. > > Cheers, > > > _______________________________________________________ > Jean-Charles Moriaud Digital Equipment Corporation > Tel: +41 22 709 4979 12, av. des Morgines > Fax: +41 22 709 4140 1213 Petit-Lancy > INet: jean-charles.moriaud at geo.mts.dec.com Geneva > X.400: c=ch; a=400net; p=digital; o=digital; ou=geo Switzerland > _______________________________________________________ J-C, Sounds like an amazing show. How big a venue is this? It hasn't been quite that long since my last BOC show, but I'm definitely having withdrawal symptoms. Give us a review, if you can. t'amuse tres bien, hein? theo From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Dec 8 13:30:30 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 13:30:30 -0500 Subject: HW: LiveChronicles Message-ID: >> to....sonic Assasin No. 1 (he knows who he is too!) (Arrrrggh!)". Is this >> Sonique Assassin or someone else? > >I believe that this should be 'Bass Assassin No. 1' shouldn't it?? And this, > >Of course, I may be wrong, and it *is* Sonic Assassin No. 1 on that particular >album, in which case I don't know who it might be. > No, I was looking at it as I wrote it. It clearly said "Sonic Assassin". This booklet (Griffin) was clearly made much more recently, however, since the list of Elric Novels that Michael Moorcock had written included the recent "Fortress of the Pearl" and "Revenge of the Rose" books, written well after the album came out. Leafing through it again..... lessee... ah. (c) 1994. Don't know if the "thanks" section is the same as the original album... ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 8 14:14:28 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 19:14:28 GMT Subject: HW: Church of HW In-Reply-To: HERBERT119@delphi.com's message of Fri, 8 Dec 1995 00:54:09 -0500 Message-ID: > Also - Experiment With Destiny (Virgin Of The World). Which is > the correct title, both? And why are there lyrics printed for > it, but none to be heard on the song? > I like to know these things. Thanks. > Enquiring minds..... There is a story behind this track - tho' I don't know its full extent. Originally entitled Virgin of the World it was supposed to go onto the Church of Hawkwind album but didn't make it. Brian Tawn says there wasn't room but I think there may be more - I have the faint memory of someone telling me that it was part of something much grander that never happened, but I could be imagining that! It ended up on the Sonic Attack album but with (do I remember right?) no printed lyrics on the enclosed sheet. The Church of Hawkwind CD restored it to its rightful slot but (at a guess because there are still problems over releasing Sonic Attack into CD format) it doesn't seem to have been added in its Sonic Attack form - my guess is that only the backing track was allowed under the terms of re-release and they renamed it into the bargain. However, the lyrics were added to the booklet to make it more or less correct. I guess the next stage, once all the permissions are agreed and the arguments resolved, will be to release yet another Church of Hawkwind CD with Virgin of the World words as well, under yet another name..... cheers jill obbook> Rudy Rucker, The Hacker and The Ants. This guy is a genius! > Chuck ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Fri Dec 8 14:55:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 14:55:00 EST Subject: HW: Nicknames & Live Chronicles Message-ID: I'll toss a high floater. I've always figured that Dr. Technical was a nickname for Dave. But, one of the albums I was looking at had something that lead me to believe it was referring to somebody else as Dr. T. I forgot where, but it puzzled me at the time, just when I thought I had everything figured out. Roger, you might want to consider seeking out the double CD of Live Chronicles. More music still, a lyric booklet, and an MM story - "Dreaming City". Seems made to order for you. RUDY From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Dec 8 15:16:45 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 15:16:45 -0500 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Live Chronicles Message-ID: >I'll toss a high floater. I've always figured that Dr. Technical was a >nickname for Dave. But, one of the albums I was looking at had something >that lead me to believe it was referring to somebody else as Dr. T. I I always thought that Dave was Dr. Technical. Somewhere I'm seen a photograph of Dave wearing a labcoat and a shit-eating grin labelled Dr. Technical or did I dream this Martyn (t minus 100 minutes till Miller time :-) From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Dec 8 15:21:28 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 15:21:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Side Comment: Ship weighs in... In-Reply-To: <30C7C488@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Dec 8, 95 09:45:00 am Message-ID: > > Sidebar - I'm going through BOC-L withdrawal. The traffic has dropped off > so much that I don't know if the cure is worse than the disease. I regret > that Guido Vacano left, though I barely knew him. Deb's departure is real > bad. I do like a little frivolity in life and hate to have to censor myself > in that others may think what I have to post is garbage. Seems that others > are having the same dilemma. There must be a happy medium. Somebody drink > some coffee! > > Cleveland Rocks! - Right, Scott? > Rudy > > ob CD - Todd Rundgren _A Wizard, A True Star_ > Ladies and gentlemen, IMHO, the problem as of late is that the discussion has ranged _far_ off-topic and has degenerated into a lot of name calling. This is what is pissing off the old-timers and causing their dropping off the list. I am very close to dropping off myself, as the number of posts that I have recieved lately have a very high noise-to-signal level. I have been responsible for off-topic deviations in the past, but they have been _topical_ deviations, such as the Ozrics, Ship Of Fools and Eloy. What do they have in common with this list? These are bands that display a level of _intelligence_ and talent, just like BOC (once described as "the thinking man's heavy metal band". Sorry, ladies, their sexist remark, not mine) and Hawkwind. These guys just don't sing songs about "Jane, Jane, the hurricane"! The intelligence aspect is also very evident amongst the participants of this mailing list. Don't know about the rest of you, but it amazes me at the number of real-live doctors we have (or, sadly, _had_) amongst us. There is a level of intelligence in this list that far out weighs most others, but the crap that has been flying as of late has driven a lot of the old-timers out. This is the lists' loss. Frivolity is _fine_, we are not a humourless bunch, but until you have established your style of posting, use the frickin' emoticons and the IMHO's and whatever necessary to get your style across! I post silly posts from time to time and even my regular posts try to maintain a sense of humour. But, I established that style and the long-timers know that. If I tell "Herr X" that his opinion is full of puppy-poo-poo, I am hoping that Herr X knows that I am saying so with a big grin on my face and I am not attacking him personally. Until you have established your place, behave with the best of manners and show respect for your fellow list members (can you tell that I am a father yet? :-) ). Remember that you are not dealing with a bunch of fifteen-year-old schoolkids here! You are right, the loss of Guido and Deb (amongst others) is a significant blow to this list. Many of us would like to see the list return to the level of civility and intelligence that it once displayed, but we're dammned if we know how to do it. We cannot force the list to behave as we would like it to, as none of us here are Net-Police and _do_not_want_ to be that! We don't want you to censor yourselves to the point of being frightened to post this to the list 'cuz it might piss someone off, but just be civil when you post. (Sheesh, look at me, ain't I on a high horse! Just call me the Reverend Craig! Amen! :-)). Enough outta me. To Hell with the coffee, it's Friday! Time for beer! I'm outta here!(until Monday, anyhoo) Play nice, children.... objCassette Player: Ship Of Fools / Close Your Eyes (Forget The World) ...ironic choice, ain't it? -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Fri Dec 8 15:49:30 1995 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 12:49:30 -0800 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Live Chronicles In-Reply-To: <9512082016.AA06096@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Dec 8, 95 03:16:45 pm Message-ID: Martyn wrote: > I always thought that Dave was Dr. Technical. Somewhere > I'm seen a photograph of Dave wearing a labcoat and a shit-eating grin > labelled Dr. Technical or did I dream this The Church of Hawkwind CD I have has a picture matching this description, labeled Dr. Technical. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome "There is an old proverb that says whatever you want it to say" - whoever... From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Dec 8 15:49:16 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 15:49:16 -0500 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Live Chronicles In-Reply-To: <30C80CCA@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Dec 8, 95 02:55:00 pm Message-ID: > > I'll toss a high floater. I've always figured that Dr. Technical was a > nickname for Dave. But, one of the albums I was looking at had something > that lead me to believe it was referring to somebody else as Dr. T. I > forgot where, but it puzzled me at the time, just when I thought I had > everything figured out. > Dr. T, I'm just about positive, refers _only_ to Dave Brock. What I am basing that on is not only _CoH_, but Xenon Codex. If my memory isn't too fogged by three pints of Bass, the little caricture of the band on the cover of _XC_, had DB pegged as "Dr. Technical". > Roger, you might want to consider seeking out the double CD of Live > Chronicles. More music still, a lyric booklet, and an MM story - "Dreaming > City". Seems made to order for you. > > RUDY > objCassette Deck : Ship Of Fools / Close Your Eyes (Forget The World) Track = LS2D "...everythings' coloured! Everythings' coloured! Everything..." - You gotta check these guys out! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Dec 8 16:07:34 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 16:07:34 -0500 Subject: I'm back - for now. Message-ID: Hello fellow BOC-L members -- I have returned from my business trip and have turned the mail feed back on. Just in time to hear that a few notable listmembers are dropping off. Can't say I blame them - although I don't know what has transpired here over the past week, it had been getting pretty unbearable up to then. I agree that there's been way too much off-topic noise here lately which has made me wonder how long I can stay subscribed and keep up with it all. BUT - for the time being I'm going to try. And, my first order of business back here on BOC-L is to post a review of a BOC show in St. Petersburg Florida. By lucky coincidence, BOC was playing in the very city were my business trip took me this week, and I got into town only an hour before the show -- but it was excellent, and I will post a proper review shortly. So, is anyone else from the list going to the Brain Surgeons' gig at Mamakin this month? John Swartz ObBOCFAQ: I'll probably end up releasing Version 2.1 after the first of the year at the rate I'm going -- will be waiting for the release of Morning Final #13 first, and things are getting very hectic these days. From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Dec 8 16:11:49 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 16:11:49 EST Subject: HW: Nicknames & Live Chronicles Message-ID: >Dr. T, I'm just about positive, refers _only_ to Dave Brock. What I am >basing that on is not only _CoH_, but Xenon Codex. If my memory isn't >too fogged by three pints of Bass, the little caricture of the band on >the cover of _XC_, had DB pegged as "Dr. Technical". Doesn't Xenon Codex list "Dr. Hasbeen" in this case? An obvious take on Dr.Technical... Other members being "Lysergic Duke" (Alan with his penchant for "hits"), something "Brainbox" (Harvey), "D.T. Turbo" (Danny Thompson), don't remember Huw's alias. I _do_ remember at least 2 HW albums name-checking Dr.Technical, CoH being one of them. Also, seems to me that White Zone listed Brock, Davey, and Chadwick as well as three aliases for them (Dr.Technical and 2 others, don't rem them either, but Alan's alias was obvious). I kinda thought this was intentional misdirection on the band's part, obscuring exactly who (and how many people) did what on this album. Last side point re: White Zone: two tunes are specifically listed as off of Brock's "Strange Trips", and one tune is listed as off of Chadwick's "Chalice of the Stars". I can only assume that this is or was supposed to be the name of Richard's eventual solo release. Captain Cloud From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Dec 8 16:14:03 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 16:14:03 -0500 Subject: HW: Dr. Technical In-Reply-To: <9512082016.AA06096@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Dec 8, 95 03:16:45 pm Message-ID: > > >I'll toss a high floater. I've always figured that Dr. Technical was a > >nickname for Dave. But, one of the albums I was looking at had something > >that lead me to believe it was referring to somebody else as Dr. T. I > > I always thought that Dave was Dr. Technical. Somewhere > I'm seen a photograph of Dave wearing a labcoat and a shit-eating grin > labelled Dr. Technical or did I dream this > Cover artwork from _CoH_. He had his axe in his hand with this wild-eyed grin on his face. This was the LP cover-art, BTW. > Martyn > (t minus 100 minutes till Miller time :-) > Its' already Bass time here in Atlanta... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Fri Dec 8 16:18:27 1995 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 15:18:27 -0600 Subject: (fwd) *NEW RELEASES JAN/FEB 1996* Message-ID: Found this on the newsgroups. I thought some of you Nikheads might be interested. Damon Capehart | UTD Student Govt. Assoc., Communications Committee; dcapehar at utdallas.edu | Society of Physics Students ---------- Forwarded message ---------- CLEOPATRA RECORDS NEW RELEASES JAN/FEB 1996 Listing format as follows: ARTIST, Title, Selection, Release Date, List Price [snip...] JAN 96 ANUBIAN LIGHTS , The Jackal & Nine (EP) , 9667 , 1/16/96 , $9.98 [snip some more...] FEB 96 NIK TURNER , Past or Future? , 9685 , 2/06/96 , $14.98 ------------- Hmmm... perhaps Nik will be putting out something a bit harder than the Anubian Lights stuff... hopefully along the lines of Prophets of Time. -- Damon From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Dec 8 16:34:52 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 16:34:52 -0500 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Live Chronicles Message-ID: >Roger, you might want to consider seeking out the double CD of Live >Chronicles. More music still, a lyric booklet, and an MM story - "Dreaming >City". Seems made to order for you. That's the one I got. Griffin. ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Dec 8 16:39:14 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 16:39:14 -0500 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Live Chronicles Message-ID: kevin pings my memory cells correctly thusly >Martyn wrote: >> I always thought that Dave was Dr. Technical. Somewhere >> I'm seen a photograph of Dave wearing a labcoat and a shit-eating grin >> labelled Dr. Technical or did I dream this > >The Church of Hawkwind CD I have has a picture matching this description, >labeled Dr. Technical. > >-kevin > Thank you. I have the CD and thats where I saw it M From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Fri Dec 8 16:41:58 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 16:41:58 -0500 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Live Chronicles Message-ID: Craig sayeth >Dr. T, I'm just about positive, refers _only_ to Dave Brock. What I am >basing that on is not only _CoH_, but Xenon Codex. If my memory isn't >too fogged by three pints of Bass, the little caricture of the band on >the cover of _XC_, had DB pegged as "Dr. Technical". Three pints of Bass and its only ten to four! Craig, I am impressed. I'll try and catch up with you later Martyn From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Fri Dec 8 11:07:26 1995 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 12:07:26 EDT Subject: BOC: cult symbol guitar Message-ID: > I saw rock/punk 70's influenced band Redd Kross supporting someone > (I think it was the Senseless Things) in London. During a fairly > histrionic guitar solo, the lead guitarist lifted his guitar (possibly > to play it with his teeth, I can't remember) revealing the back of the > instrument. And there it was, a large BOC symbol, covering the whole > of it. After the set I questioned him as he was standing at the bar > and he said he was a big fan. I'm a Redd Kross fan. Was it one of the MacDonald brothers or the other guy? Anyway, it makes sense that RK would be into BOC, since they tend to glorify the '70s, and BOC was a quintessential '70s rock group. "I'm in love with Janice, Jeannie and George Harrison When Jesus Christ Superstar was crucified the Beatles were still makin' noise" - Redd Kross Chris From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Fri Dec 8 20:04:34 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:04:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Live Chronicles In-Reply-To: <9512082141.AA06489@borg.med.ecu.edu> from "Martyn White" at Dec 8, 95 04:41:58 pm Message-ID: > > Craig sayeth > >Dr. T, I'm just about positive, refers _only_ to Dave Brock. What I am > >basing that on is not only _CoH_, but Xenon Codex. If my memory isn't > >too fogged by three pints of Bass, the little caricture of the band on > >the cover of _XC_, had DB pegged as "Dr. Technical". > > Three pints of Bass and its only ten to four! Craig, > I am impressed. I'll try and catch up with you later > > Martyn > Best part of it was, one of our sales critters picked up the tab! And it started at 11:30! I like these kinda Fridays! Now the wife and I are quaffing Petes' Wicked Ale...ooops, off topic, s'cuze me! Drifting back to HW, anyone seen hide 'ner hair of either Brock's or Houses' solo releases? Not visible here in Atlanta, durn it... objCD-ROM Drive: Doom / Thy Flesh Consumed. Heh-heh-heh... -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Fri Dec 8 20:31:57 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:31:57 -0500 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Live Chro... Message-ID: rudy says:>I've always figured that Dr. Technical was a nickname for Dave. <<<<<<<<<< backstage at one of the us shows in april,can't remember which gig, dave brock was seen by me to address another guy by the name "dr. technical".i don't know who this person was,but he seemed to have known the band for a long time.yeah, he looked like a veteran, too. ;) rj--------------------------------------------------------- craig says:>Dr. T, I'm just about positive, refers _only_ to Dave Brock. What I am basing that on is not only _CoH_, but Xenon Codex. If my memory isn't too fogged by three pints of Bass, the little caricture of the band on the cover of _XC_, had DB pegged as "Dr. Technical".<<<<< the picture is labeled-"baron brock the sonic assassin".rj all this as is,i always thought it refered to brock anyway,but i must wonder why he called the other guy by that name?rj >>>> Doesn't Xenon Codex list "Dr. Hasbeen" in this case? An obvious take on Dr.Technical...<<<<< ok i stand corrected already.my memory is jogged,now.the mysterious other was addressed as dr. has-been.i'm sure of it now.i'm sure you are all thinking i'm quite full of it by now.... rj-slinking back into the shadows.... From skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM Fri Dec 8 21:47:10 1995 From: skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM (Skip Galvin) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 18:47:10 -0800 Subject: BOC: cult symbol guitar In-Reply-To: <9512090038.AA2228@worldcom-18.worldcom.com> Message-ID: Another guitarist w/the cult symbol on her bass is Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth. From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sat Dec 9 01:06:15 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 01:06:15 -0500 Subject: BOC: Reaper in Bm Live Message-ID: We play the Reaper in the key of Bm live. It was recorded in Am, so I use a capo to raise the pitch of the guitar 1 key. That way the signature riff with the open 'G' string can still be played. Buck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Dec 9 01:16:28 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 01:16:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Church of HW Message-ID: Thanks to everyone for their Church comments and now I'm more confused than before I asked, so was it worth it?? :) Now, I've seen Agents Of Chaos mentioned here, but I'm not real clear on that. Was this a Brock side-project? Worth hearing? I sure like "Damage Of Life" a lot, the production on Brock's voice is weird. This does indeed sound like something that wasn't recorded w/the rest of Church, it stands out. Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Dec 9 01:39:08 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 01:39:08 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind - "Elric the Enchanter" Message-ID: I have a cassette version on GWR/Profile, and this doesn't have Part I of EtE (or a number of other songs that are on the Griffin double). But I agree about EtE part I vs. Part II - I like Part I much more. Now am I the only one who loves "Arioch" and wished that made it to LC?? Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Dec 9 01:43:47 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 01:43:47 -0500 Subject: BOC/Hawkwind Message-ID: HW and BOC? Sounds good to me. Brock could join BOC for "Black Blade" and add synth flourishes to the slow moody part in the middle, like Lanier did on the live version on Waldorf '80. I would say that this is the closest BOC have ever come to sounding like HW... Chuck From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Dec 9 07:13:36 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 07:13:36 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind - "Elric the Enchanter" Message-ID: > Also, I note in the credits (I have the griffin 2CD) it says, "Thanks > to....sonic Assasin No. 1 (he knows who he is too!) (Arrrrggh!)". Is th= is > Sonique Assassin or someone else? I very much doubt it! It was nice of you to think so though ;^) A. Soniqu=E9 -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Dec 9 07:13:51 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 07:13:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Live Chronicles Message-ID: > Drifting back to HW, anyone seen hide 'ner hair of either Brock's > or Houses' solo releases? Not visible here in Atlanta, durn it... Don't seem to have made it down under yet either :-( A. Soniqu=E9 -- Thought for the day: Bagpipes (n): an octopus wearing a kilt. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Dec 9 07:13:56 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 07:13:56 -0500 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Live Chronicles Message-ID: > Dr. T, I'm just about positive, refers _only_ to Dave Brock. What I am > basing that on is not only _CoH_, but Xenon Codex. If my memory isn't > too fogged by three pints of Bass, the little caricture of the band on > the cover of _XC_, had DB pegged as "Dr. Technical". Strange, my copy of _XC_ has Brtock labelled as 'Dr. HasBeen' (which worried me immensely at the time I might add) A. Soniqu=E9 -- Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up. Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Sat Dec 9 07:14:17 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 07:14:17 -0500 Subject: HW: A few 'reviews' Message-ID: Sheez, it's quite lately! I have to agree that the loss of long term member's is very sad, but we have to leave the past where it is and carry on ..... So, now that they might get seen (without the noise) are my next two much-belated HW record reviews. They are a bit lame, but I am way too tired to be on my PC at the moment anyway, so I should be excused I think! Next Time: DarXtar 'DayBreak' (esp. for Joe & Henrik) A. Soniqu=E9 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Album Review: Hawkwind - "Church of Hawkwind" --------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: 1) I do not claim to grow more talented literarily with time! 2) This is all IMHBO! 3) ;^) Band: Hawkwind Title: Church of Hawkwind 1st: 1982 Label: RCA RCALP9004 Artists: Dave Brock (Dr. Technical), Harvey Bainbridge, Huw Lloyd-Langton, Martin Griffin, Marc Sperhawk, Capt. Al Bodi, Madam X Side 1: Space >From the strange starship noises of 'Angel Voices', overlaid with alien sounding voices, it's easy to see why this is generally considered Hawkwind's most "electronic" album to date. The short introductory track is followed with 'Nuclear Drive', a tale of an Alien spacecraft landing and taking an unsuspecting human for a joy ride! This is probably the rockiest track on the album (but by no stretch of your imagination could you call it "heavy"), with Langton's by now familiar guitar style evident throughout. The slower, 'Star Cannibal' follows, with more emphasis on keyboards than guitar, with electronic sounds sliding repeatedly up the scale in the background. 'The Phenomenon of Luminosity' begins with a sample of an astronaut reporting strange lights following his capsule (which in the end turned out to be fragments of the craft ablating due to friction with the atmosphere), accompanied by throbbing background noises. The text of 'Fall of Earth City' is "spoken" over the top of some interesting guitar riffs and various effects. 'The Church' is a strange conglomeration of a crowd at a gig chanting "Hawkwind", some guy chanting, and various bits of keyboard and synth. Hmmmm .... Side 2: Fate 'The Joker at the Gate' begins with strange noises, which are soon oevrlaid with a pacey keyboard melody, and ghostly (?) spoken vocals, and ends with a very rapid seque into 'Some People Never Die'. This track is basically samples taken from the TV narrators covering Lee Harvey Oswald's execution, and gradually builds pace as the guitar and drums come into accompany the backing effects (such as heavy breathing and crowd noises). The music stops suddenly, as the samples change to newscasts from Senator Kennedy's assasination. I don't know why, but it is damn effective! The sounds of waves splashing and creaking timber form the seque into 'Light Specific Data', which isn't too bad an instrumental, with some nice guitar work accompanying the predominate keyboards. The track ends with more waves and an explosion as the 'Experiment with Destiny' begins, which sounds awfully like 'Virgin of the World' to me! Strange noises abound as the pace picks up towards the end, fading away for the next track, 'The Last Messiah' - Electronic warbles and some female sobbing. 'Looking in the Future' is yet another track using Henry Wadsworth Longfellow's "Lives of Great Men", but it isn't a remake of 'Assault & Battery'. It's fairly rocky, but not as full on as other Hawkwind tracks are, but rather maintains the electronic feel of this album. This is not an album that I would recommend to a Hawkwind neophyte, but I (being a fan) could not imagine being without it. If you liked some of the more experimental/electronic tracks from the previous two albums ("Sonic Attack" and "Choose your Masques"), then you should check this out. If you are new to the band, you may want to look elsewhere. STOP PRESS ---------- The Griffin Records CD release of "Church of Hawkwind" has three bonus tracks: 'Identimate' has a more full sound than the tracks on the original release, but is still electronic in nature. It is a combination of uncomprehensible mono-syllabic utterings in between the pulsating background music. 'Damage of Life' has decidedly more "cheerful" music, and sounds very much like much of Brock's solo efforts of the time. 'Mists of Meridan' begins with slow and eeiry noises, which grow slightly in complexity, but never stray beyond the ambient. It is unclear (to me) if these tracks were recorded during the recording sessions for the album, but I imagine that they are in fact Brock solo tracks which never made it to his album, rather than this one. But then, what do I know? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Album Review: Hawkwind - "Zones" -------------------------------- Disclaimer: 1) I do not claim to grow more talented literarily with time! 2) This is all IMHBO! 3) ;^) Band: Hawkwind Title: Zones 1st: 1983 Label: Flicknife SHARP014 Artists: Dave Brock, Nik Turner, Harvey Bainbridge, Ginger Baker, Huw Lloyd-Langton, Keith Hale, Martin Griffin, Michael Moorcock The sounds of choppers and snatch of the pilot's conversations over the radio are joined with electronic warblings for the short introductory track, 'Zones'. The gentle keyboards and almost mournful vocals and guitar make 'Dangerous Visions' quite a memorable track. 'Running Through the Back Brain' however is a rather strange piece. It has some good guitar work in places, but has totally crazy lyrics and almost deranged backing keyboards. 'The Island' is a live version of 'Dust of Time' from "Levitation", as is 'Motorway City'. Both of these live up to the expectations of the previous studio efforts. Side two begins with 'Utopia 84', a freaky spoken piece (over eerie synthesizer sounds) about a too perfect Utopian world, which seques in the fast paced 'Social Alliance', previously a Brock solo piece. Brock's lyrics in this piece are incredibly nasal, but it no worse than Turner's "famous" waterfowl imitation on sax. It's beauty is in it's rough edges. This is followed by yet another live version of 'Sonic Attack', no better or worse than previous recordings, and full of the usual tweaks and squawks. It is more of a "song" than some renditions, and is good up loud! 'Dream Worker' is next, as spooky as ever, followed by a fairly sad rendition of 'Brainstorm'. It's not that bad I suppose, it's just one of those tracks that Hawkwind some times do really well, and at other times, they lack a little punch. Turner's vocal 'antics' ruin this for me on this release. Overall, I feel that this album lacks the quality of the previous few releases. To be fair, it is a collection of live cuts from various gigs, but it isn't a 'live' album. I rarely listen to it, and wouldn't suggest it as an introduction to Hawkwind. It does have it's good points though, and it isn't actually 'bad', just a minor dissapointment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Sat Dec 9 07:46:01 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 12:46:01 +0000 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Live Chronicles In-Reply-To: <9512081611.A12058@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Dec 8, 95 04:11:49 pm Message-ID: > don't remember Huw's alias. "Rocky Paths", I think ... Carl From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Sat Dec 9 09:46:05 1995 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 09:46:05 -0500 Subject: BOC in Florida Message-ID: >Was there any mention of which companies they are negotiating with? Are >they looking indie label or talking exclusively to Sony? > >BOCLNIE > I thought I heard someone mention that a deal with Atlantic recently fell through. I did not inquire on the circumstances of the deal. Shawn From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Dec 9 11:53:01 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 17:53:01 +0100 Subject: HW: Nova Q/A Message-ID: got a private Nova question, which might be of some interest for the HW side of BOC-l: > I have some questions about the Nova Drive boot you picked up. Can > you describe the CD itself? I mean, is it silver or gold? Is > there any labelling or words on the disk, or perhaps a paper > sticker attached to the disk? And finally, what is the total > length (time) of the CD? Well, if you don't expect the CD to be anything else than a usual music compact disk, and you're not familiar to the CD Recordable technique - you don't going to suspect anything strange. It is very well done, and the paper inserts and things if high bootleg quality. (Now I understand the Cover Space Ship is the same from the _HotMG_ cover, launhced together with a 'Sputnik' head - thanks Henrik Hawkeye) But if you look close at the CD itself - I got three to compare with now, sorry they're all booked up - you understand what the dude has done. The golden 'up' side has a a poem printed on it, with the record label and the usual 'compact disc/digital audio' logo. I said it was printed on it, but no - it's a transparent plastic film inside the CD with the logo's and the poem. Especially the printing of the CD logo is 'bootleg quality' - it's a copy of a copy of a copy... He had tried to cut it in a circular shape, but he had done it at free hand - and it is full of small air bubbles, and a few bigger ones. Playing side is in a green shade - that's the short living dye Carl described earlier on BOC-l. My CD player reports total playing time - 74:33 \\joe From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Sat Dec 9 12:27:29 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 11:27:29 -0600 Subject: HW: any new stuff seen? In-Reply-To: <9512082021.AA07659@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> Message-ID: has anyone seen any of these new releases? dave brock -strange trips (griffen) hawkwind -mighty hawkwind classics(griffen) hawkwind-independant days 1&2 (griffen) space is deep- cleopatra all these were supposed to be out a month ago! my local store cant get any of them for me. they order from Abbey Road and this might be the problem-they say they cant get the asam box either! mike psyche From jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK Sat Dec 9 17:54:10 1995 From: jaj20 at HERMES.CAM.AC.UK (Jon Jarrett) Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 22:54:10 +0000 Subject: BOC/Hawkwind In-Reply-To: <01HYL424OEJ29D5H1W@delphi.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Dec 1995 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > HW and BOC? Sounds good to me. Brock could join BOC for > "Black Blade" and add synth flourishes to the slow moody part > in the middle, like Lanier did on the live version on Waldorf > '80. I would say that this is the closest BOC have ever come to > sounding like HW... Hi - perhaps I'm being naive here, but this would be because of the fact that Mike Moorcock helped write Black Blade, no? I've often wondered whether that connection ever brought the two bands into contact. But, if anyone's going to reply to me, can you hold it for a month, because I'm going home for Christmas tomorrow, and thus won't be on-list until January 9th or so. Be interesting to see what it is I come back to... See them at the Forum as is going, anyway, Merry Christmas to all, and I'll be back, Jon /________________________________________________________\ | () | | Jon Jarrett () "What that boy needs is | | Pembroke College () a damn good haircut | | Cambridge CB2 1RF () and a spell in the | | jaj20 at hermes.cam.ac.uk () Army" | \___________________________()___________________________/ From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Sun Dec 10 18:11:38 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 23:11:38 GMT Subject: HW: Nicknames & Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: Paul G Ward's message of Sat, 9 Dec 1995 07:13:56 -0500 Message-ID: > > Strange, my copy of _XC_ has Brtock labelled as 'Dr. HasBeen' (which > worried me immensely at the time I might add) > 'Tis true - as I understand it, he took his name off this album because he was not at all happy with it for some reason. There's obviously another story behind here somewhere but I've no idea what the full explanation is! jill There is nothing too big or so complicated that it can't be run away from. ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Dec 10 20:35:48 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 20:35:48 -0500 Subject: HW: A few 'reviews' Message-ID: Paul - Excellent job on the reviews, I thought, especially Church (can't comment as much on Zones because I haven't heard it). The only thing I really disagree on is "Damage Of Life" - this song is anything but "cheerful" (I THINK that's the word you used)! Maybe what's cheerful to you is depressing to me?? :) This track (the lyrics themselves and the vocals, more than the music) practically had me looking for the razor... Chuck From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Sun Dec 10 17:42:42 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 17:42:42 -0500 Subject: Test Message-ID: This is only a test, I have stopped recieving mail and am checking on it. Duane -- " We are the warriors at the edge of time. " From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Mon Dec 11 17:32:11 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 23:32:11 +0100 Subject: HW: A few 'reviews' In-Reply-To: <01HYNLUZLEZ6985PTD@delphi.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Dec 1995 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote: > Paul - Excellent job on the reviews, I thought, especially > Church (can't comment as much on Zones because I haven't heard > it). The only thing I really disagree on is "Damage Of Life" - > this song is anything but "cheerful" (I THINK that's the word > you used)! Maybe what's cheerful to you is depressing to me?? > :) This track (the lyrics themselves and the vocals, more than > the music) practically had me looking for the razor... Well, I was tired at the time, so I was probably fairly confused. What I was trying to say is that it was more 'upbeat' I think (tho I'm not sure - I'm still tired!) Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Dec 11 09:47:58 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 09:47:58 EST Subject: HW: any new stuff seen? Message-ID: >dave brock -strange trips (griffen) I *have* a copy of Griffin's "Strange Trips" -- the only one I've ever heard about! Mike Coleman at Delta Wave specifically called me when he got his first (only?) copy in, and I took it off his hands immediately. To the best of my knowledge, it has not shown up again, anywhere. Most unusual... >hawkwind -mighty hawkwind classics(griffen) >hawkwind-independant days 1&2 (griffen) I've been watching carefully, but these have not shown up yet... >space is deep- cleopatra I've seen 2 places advertising this one, but I don't plan to buy it. I think one of them might have been RPM Records, not sure. >all these were supposed to be out a month ago! >they say they cant get the asam box either! WorldWide CD is supposed to be the official distribution channel for Griffin, or so I've heard. WorldWide lists regularly in Goldmine. Perusing their ads the last few months looking for new Griffin releases has turned up ZILCH. Also, they list the QS&C box but they have not been listing the ASAM box for awhile now. Dunno what this implies, except perhaps continued supply and distribution problems at Griffin itself. I'm also watching carefully for Griffin's promised release of Simon House's "Yassassim". Anybody sees one, I'd be pleased to know... Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com mike psyche From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon Dec 11 10:23:07 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:23:07 -0500 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: <9512102311.aa03199@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "J Strobridge" at Dec 10, 95 11:11:38 pm Message-ID: J Strobridge writes: > > > > > Strange, my copy of _XC_ has Brtock labelled as 'Dr. HasBeen' (which > > worried me immensely at the time I might add) > > > > 'Tis true - as I understand it, he took his name off this album because > he was not at all happy with it for some reason. There's obviously > another story behind here somewhere but I've no idea what the full > explanation is! He isn't the only one who was unhappy with it. When I first bought it, I despised it so thoroughly that I tossed it on the floor in the middle of the room, and trod on it for several days before giving it another listen. ;-) Steve who doesn't believe in letting bands be their own harshest critics From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 11 10:31:28 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:31:28 GMT Subject: HW: any new stuff seen? In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Mon, 11 Dec 1995 09:47:58 EST Message-ID: cjohnson writes: > >space is deep- cleopatra > I've seen 2 places advertising this one, but I don't plan to buy > it. I think one of them might have been RPM Records, not sure. "Space Is Deep" is yet another release from that 2 hours of live tape that Dave Anderson has. The latest Codex has entries for this and the Independent Days CD. I haven't yet done the Alien album and EP. > mike psyche FoFP From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Mon Dec 11 10:54:29 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:54:29 GMT Subject: HW: Nicknames & Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: Stephen Swann's message of Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:23:07 -0500 Message-ID: > He isn't the only one who was unhappy with it. When I first bought > it, I despised it Why? I can see that the last track would be pretty annoying, but the rest of it seems fine. There's more good stuff on there than on Out And Intake (the previous release), or Zones, or Chronicles Of The Black Sword. (All IMO, of course) :-) If Brock didn't like XC, why did he agree to put it out? Was there some sort of contractual obligation? Or was he overruled by other band members and/or Doug Smith? Is this part of the reason that Harvey and Huw left? Incidentally, I recall a post from whatsisname at Griffin (I'm really sorry, I've forgotten your name) who said that originally Dr. Technical was used as a nickname for one of the band's crew, and later for Brock himself. Dave. PS. Folk in Cambridge UK might like to check the 2nd-hand section in Andy's records. There were a few HW CD's there when I popped in on Saturday. From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Mon Dec 11 14:05:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 11:05:00 PST Subject: BOC: Reaper in Bm Live - Huh? Message-ID: >We play the Reaper in the key of Bm live. It was recorded in Am, so I use a >capo to raise the pitch of the guitar 1 key. That way the signature riff with >the open 'G' string can still be played. >Buck <================Huh? When did this start? BOCLNIE From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Mon Dec 11 11:10:09 1995 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:10:09 GMT Subject: HW: Nicknames & Xenon Codex Message-ID: >Why? I can see that the last track would be pretty annoying, but the >rest of it seems fine. There's more good stuff on there than on >Out And Intake (the previous release), or Zones, or Chronicles Of The >Black Sword. (All IMO, of course) :-) >Dave. I remember listerning to the Friday Rock Show and Mr Vance played Neon Skyline and I thought great stuff... Got the album (as if I wasn,t going to any way.) the first track summed up the entire album for me The War I Survived Brilliant. Derrick... --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. --------------------------------------------- From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Dec 11 11:36:07 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:36:07 +0100 Subject: OFF: Spacious Mind Update / calling Gary Wingert Message-ID: sorry BOC-l that I do not keep this off the list, but... Home reports postal letters from: Jerry, Rudy, Chuck, Carl and Keith Already got Doug, and Mike is on its way. Gary - are you still with us? cheers - \\joe (more info to come later, this time outside BOC-l) From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Dec 11 11:38:32 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:38:32 +0000 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:10:09 GMT." <9512111610.AA29800@sun1.bham.ac.uk> Message-ID: > > I remember listerning to the Friday Rock Show and Mr Vance played Neon > Skyline and I thought great stuff... Got the album (as if I wasn,t going to > any way.) the first track summed up the entire album for me The War I > Survived Brilliant. Yeah, I remember that. I heard the Lost Chronicles segment and thought it was immense. In fact I bought XC on that track which was one of the precursors to hawkfandom. Tommy Vance always had a soft spot for Hawkwind. Back in the days of the generally excellent Friday Rock Show, I got put onto loads of different bands. What do we get these days ? Pete Tong Dance Bullshit all night. Its called progress. :-} Tim From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Mon Dec 11 11:45:08 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:45:08 +0000 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:23:07 EST." <199512111523.KAA16985@mindvox.phantom.com> Message-ID: Steve says - > He isn't the only one who was unhappy with it. When I first bought > it, I despised it so thoroughly that I tossed it on the floor in the > middle of the room, and trod on it for several days before giving it > another listen. ;-) Did that give it the crunchier sound you were after ? Anyway you have to be kidding - I mean 'War I Survived', 'Wastelands of Sleep', 'Neon Skyline / Lost Chronicles' are all solid to excellent tracks. OK, 'Tides' is a filler, as is a lot of side 2, but then you get 'Sword of the East'. I also confess a liking of 'EMC' but I can see it could grate for some ;-) > Steve > who doesn't believe in letting bands be their own harshest critics Tim ObCD: Curve, _Pubic Fruit_ From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 11 11:58:11 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:58:11 GMT Subject: Nethawk tshirts received? Message-ID: Some folks got theirs. Which folks haven't got 'em yet? FoFP From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Mon Dec 11 12:09:12 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:09:12 GMT Subject: HW: radio stuff (was HW: Nicknames & Xenon Codex) Message-ID: > > Tommy Vance always had a soft spot for Hawkwind. Back in the days of the > generally excellent Friday Rock Show, I got put onto loads of different > bands. What do we get these days ? Pete Tong Dance Bullshit all night. Its > called progress. :-} > > Tim > I remember driving around the Shetland Islands in '92 in a hire car which had a radio which seemed to only pick up Radio 1. Nightmare thinks I, until good old Alan "fluff" Freeman plays a track off Electric Teepee, Secret Agent I think it was. bye - Rob From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Mon Dec 11 12:16:59 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 12:16:59 -0500 Subject: HW: any new stuff seen? Message-ID: has anyone seen any of these new releases? dave brock -strange trips (griffen) hawkwind -mighty hawkwind classics(griffen) hawkwind-independant days 1&2 (griffen) space is deep- cleopatra ive seen and acquiredthe first two,have seen ind. daze,no sign of space... rj From FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG Mon Dec 11 12:25:13 1995 From: FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG (DAVID FURST) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 11:25:13 CST Subject: Nethawk tshirts received? Message-ID: Re: Nethwk t-shirt. got mine - looks fine - even better than expected. thanks, man. Mr. Boy (guess i really should change that to Dr. Boy what with all the Ph.D.'s crawling out of the woodwork) From swann at PHANTOM.COM Mon Dec 11 13:27:04 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 13:27:04 -0500 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: <6568.9512111645@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Dec 11, 95 04:45:08 pm Message-ID: bart writes: > > Steve says - > > > He isn't the only one who was unhappy with it. When I first bought > > it, I despised it so thoroughly that I tossed it on the floor in the > > middle of the room, and trod on it for several days before giving it > > another listen. ;-) > > Did that give it the crunchier sound you were after ? Anyway you have to be > kidding - I mean 'War I Survived', 'Wastelands of Sleep', 'Neon Skyline / > Lost Chronicles' are all solid to excellent tracks. OK, 'Tides' is a filler, > as is a lot of side 2, but then you get 'Sword of the East'. I also confess > a liking of 'EMC' but I can see it could grate for some ;-) Well, Neon Skyline/Lost Chronicles is one of my favorite Hawkwind compositions (I discovered this on subsequent listenings). Sword of the East is another. But as an "album" I still think _Xenon Codex_ falls together rather badly, as nearly every second track is horrendous noise, IMHO, etc etc yadda yadda. Believe it or not (I know you will, since it's me talking) :-) I *hated* "War I Survived" on first hearing it, and to this day I think of it as a filler tune. I hate the vocals, hate the drumming worse (that relentless, unimaginitive BANG-BANG-BANG, sitting way too far up in the sound mix). "Wastelands of Sleep" isn't bad, though I have to be in certain kind of dreamy mood to really enjoy it. "Tides" is ok, for what it is. But "Mutation Zone", "EMC", and all that other noise and garble on side 2 really ticked me off. It ruins _Xenon Codex_ as an album for me, because it means that I can never stand to listen to it all the way through. Steve From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Mon Dec 11 13:44:56 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 18:44:56 +0000 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: <12667.9512111554@abel.cam.harlequin.co.uk> from "Dave Berry" at Dec 11, 95 03:54:29 pm Message-ID: > > He isn't the only one who was unhappy with it. When I first bought > > it, I despised it > > Why? I can see that the last track would be pretty annoying, but the > rest of it seems fine. I liked the last track as well, in that I thought it was funny :) Actually _XC_ was the first HW I ever heard, though the first I owned was either _Palace Springs_ or _HotMG_. > If Brock didn't like XC, why did he agree to put it out? Was there some > sort of contractual obligation? Or was he overruled by other band members > and/or Doug Smith? Is this part of the reason that Harvey and Huw left? Doug Smith is my guess. I think Huw left 'cuase he reckoned he'd be a cool solo artist (oops!) or was just tired of the band. Harvey left, I've heard it rumored, due to Bridget being sacked ;) > PS. Folk in Cambridge UK might like to check the 2nd-hand section in > Andy's records. There were a few HW CD's there when I popped in on Saturday. Gee, I was just in there today, but didn't look in the used section. Last time I was there, I saw _Stasis_, but perhaps there's more now ... Cheers, Carl From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 11 14:54:59 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 19:54:59 GMT Subject: HW: any new stuff seen? In-Reply-To: cjohnson's message of Mon, 11 Dec 1995 09:47:58 EST Message-ID: > Dunno what this implies, except perhaps continued supply and > distribution problems at Griffin itself. > There's a Griffin home page (I think) on the Web which is advertising all the recent stuff. Might be worth getting in touch direct with them rather than waiting for distributors to get hold of stuff. jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Mon Dec 11 15:27:11 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:27:11 EST Subject: HW: any new stuff seen? Message-ID: >There's a Griffin home page (I think) on the Web which is advertising >all the recent stuff. > >jill What's the addr for this page? The only addr I know for Griffin (http://www.icom.ca/cgpinc/grifmain.htm) has not been updated in months, specifically JUNE... Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 11 15:54:43 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:54:43 -0500 Subject: BOC: 12/03/95 Show Review Message-ID: As previously mentioned, I got to see BOC in St. Petersburg Florida a week ago. Here is my review. John Swartz The technical details: B L U E O Y S T E R C U L T State Theatre St. Petersburg, Florida December 3rd, 1995 The songs (in order performed): Stairway to the Stars Dr. Music O.D.'d On Life Itself E.T.I. Harvest Moon Before the Kiss (A Redcap) I'd Like To See You In Black Take Me Away Flaming Telepaths Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll Then Came The Last Days Of May In Thee Lips In The Hills Burnin' For You Godzilla (Don't Fear) The Reaper -- encores -- Dominance And Submission Slow Down BOC Line-Up: Eric Bloom, Buck Dharma, Allen Lanier, Danny Miranda, John O'Reilly Now, for some more details from a completely biased fan . . . While I would consider myself one of BOC's biggest fans, I don't make it a habit of following them around the country (I live in Massachusetts). However, I had a business trip to St. Petersburg Florida, and by coincidence, BOC was playing a string of shows in Florida -- playing in St. Petersburg on December 3rd, the day I arrived. My plane landed just after 9 pm, and one hour later, I walked into the St. Petersburg State Theatre just 15 minutes before BOC took the stage. Suffice to say, I missed the opening act, local band "Touch The Sky". Approximately 300-400 were in attendance - probably the smallest BOC concert I've attended (this show was my 6th), but for a Sunday night in Florida (with GWAR also playing in town that night), it wasn't a bad turnout. The venue, as the name implies, looked like a small theatre (and probably seats about 500 maximum) - a stage at one end with seats facing it, and a balcony in back. I felt a little out of place in my leather jacket, which I had needed when I left the frigid temperatures of New England - it was a little warm for the 70 degree temperatures of Florida though. The crowd was mostly an older one, but there were a few younger folks there as well, proving that BOC has something to offer for everyone. This may have been the best BOC show I've attended. The sound quality was excellent (which was a pleasant surprise as I complained about this for a show they did in New Hampshire this past summer, and a few others have also complained about a poor mix for some recent shows) - very clear and not overpoweringly loud (i.e., my ears weren't ringing the next morning when I woke up). My only complaint would be that the drums were mixed too loud during the bass solo. The band was in excellent form, playing with lots of energy. It's obvious that the recent line-up changes have not hurt the band's on-stage chemistry. And, as can be seen from the setlist, there were some special treats for the crowd. It appears that the band has re-worked the new songs somewhat. The break before the last verse in *Harvest Moon* seems more complex, and now very heavy. Also, I'm not sure, but there may be some additional lyrics to *I'd Like To See You In Black* -- maybe I've just grown more accustomed to the song, but the title lyric doesn't seem as repetitive as it used to. Both songs were very well received by the crowd, proving that BOC doesn't have to rely on the same classics every time to get a good response (although the classics still get the biggest response). Latest word on the new album from Eric during the show was "next summer". Calling *In Thee* an "acoustic" number would be a misnomer. The only thing "acoustic" about it's performance was Allen sitting on a stool playing an acoustic guitar. I'm not criticizing the rendition though - it was well-done, and well-received. The "boogie" ending of *Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll* now sounds more like speed metal. BOC seems to be adding a more heavy element to their music with this break, along with songs like *I'd Like To See You In Black* and *Lips In The Hills*. The instrumental break of *Take Me Away* now contains several drum fills similar in nature to the breaks after the guitar solo on *Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll*. The vocal harmonies during the verses of *Before The Kiss (A Redcap)* were absent (and somewhat missed, in my opinion) -- Jon Rogers and Greg Smith used to provide these, and I'd grown accustomed to hearing them. Solos include Allen on keys before *Take Me Away*, Buck on guitar during *Then Came The Last Days Of May*, Danny on "monster bass" and John on drums during *Godzilla*. Buck's solo may have been the best I've heard. I don't think Buck tried to do the same solo during the "solo song" each show, but rather he lets his fingers wander where they may across the fretboard. Whatever the reason, they were landing on some very sweet spots that night. John O'Reilly's drumming is solid, and seems similar to Chuck Burgi's, although not as up-front and over-powering. His drum solo was sprinkled with elements that also reminded me just a bit of Albert Bouchard. John played a Tama double-bass drum set. Danny "The Law" Miranda is definitely the best BOC bassplayer since Joe Bouchard. Bolle Gregmar's description of him to me prior to the show was perfect - he reminds one a little of Gene Simmons of KISS (without the make-up, of course), without the posing. Visually he fits in well with the band (as opposed to Greg Smith, who was great, but who's lions mane of hair seemed out of place with the rest of the band). He plays solidly, almost nonchalantly, with alot of confidence and skill. He also wears his bass very low (half-way to his knees). He played a bright red bass who's brand I couldn't make out (but appeared to be similar to what Greg Smith and Jon Rogers played). During the encores, he played a black Steinberger bass (so both he and Buck where "headless" during the encores). There are now 3 smokers in the group, as Allen is now joined by both Danny and John on cigarettes. During one song, Danny also did the Allen bit of inserting his cigarette into the headstock of his bass. How John can drum with a lit cigarette without burning something important is beyond me. *Slow Down* (written by Larry Williams, but better known for The Beatles covering it) was a special treat. As Bolle mentioned in "Morning Final #11", it is a rare treat for the fans when the band breaks out an old cover song like this. This performance was extra- special in that the band was joined on-stage by Al Pitrelli of Savatage (who are local to the Tampa/St. Petersburg Florida area). During the song, Al played Eric's guitar - and gave it quite a workout during the solo section (he was followed by solos from Allen on keys and Buck on guitar). While not a BOC song, it brought the show to a rousing conclusion. Finally, this show also brought back my faith and hope that BOC will continue as a band for years to come. While they may never play large halls again, they still rock (and could show many bands of these times how to really rock and roll), and it appears that a good time was had by all - fans and band alike. And as long as we're all still having fun, let's keep the party going . . . John Swartz From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Mon Dec 11 16:54:48 1995 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:54:48 -0600 Subject: +personal Message-ID: File this one under the unexpected sightings heading. Kollector beware: I was at Tower Records yesterday and got a free CD sampler from Legacy Records. The packaging is a rather confusing jumble, but this has something to do with Sony Music. Anyway, there is a very eclectic collection of artists on this CD: Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Robert Johnson, Isley Brothers, Clash, Weather Report, Mahalia Jackson, Janis Joplin, George Jones, Pete Seeger, Dave Mason, Sly & The Family Stone, Santana, and our intrepid heros BOC Talk about spanning a few musical styles! The BOC song is Don't Fear the Reaper from WotT. At least there is some effort being made to promote them. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (708) 576-3110 | fax: (708) 576-3240 VENI, VIDI, VICE - I came, I saw, I partied. From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Mon Dec 11 17:17:00 1995 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:17:00 -0600 Subject: +personal In-Reply-To: Frank Weil "+personal" (Dec 11, 3:54pm) Message-ID: Frank Weil wrote: > Subject: +personal That was supposed to have a subject of "BOC track sighting", but instead I accidentally used the command to save a copy of the message in my "personal" folder. Sigh. Sorry for the confusion. Frank (who is now almost positive that vast areas of his brain shut down after he got his PhD) -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (708) 576-3110 | fax: (708) 576-3240 If Milli Vanilli falls in the woods, does someone else make a sound? From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Mon Dec 11 17:24:44 1995 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 14:24:44 -0800 Subject: BOC: 12/03/95 Show Review In-Reply-To: <199512112054.PAA08090@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Dec 1995, John A Swartz wrote: > As previously mentioned, I got to see BOC in St. Petersburg Florida > a week ago. Here is my review. > > John Swartz > > > The technical details: > > Approximately 300-400 were in attendance - probably the smallest BOC > concert I've attended (this show was my 6th), but for a Sunday night in > Florida (with GWAR also playing in town that night), it wasn't a bad > turnout. I've had a slightly different experience. Most of the shows I've seen them in are around that figure. Joe Bouchard did a gig in Orlando in March of 91 (Ithink) as front man for something called the Cult Bros. I looked for the then-promised album, but never found it. >The crowd was mostly an older one, but there were a > few younger folks there as well, proving that BOC has something to > offer for everyone. > That is certainly true enough. Many of the concert-goers I have seen could not have possibly picked up on BOC when they packed the big arenas. Lets hear for the indy radio stations! > It appears that the band has re-worked the new songs somewhat. The > break before the last verse in *Harvest Moon* seems more complex, and > now very heavy. Also, I'm not sure, but there may be some additional > lyrics to *I'd Like To See You In Black* -- maybe I've just grown more > accustomed to the song, but the title lyric doesn't seem as repetitive > as it used to. Both songs were very well received by the crowd, > proving that BOC doesn't have to rely on the same classics every time > to get a good response (although the classics still get the biggest > response). Latest word on the new album from Eric during the show was > "next summer". When did Harvest Moon become part of the playlist? > > The "boogie" ending of *Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll* now sounds > more like speed metal. BOC seems to be adding a more heavy element to > their music with this break, along with songs like *I'd Like To See You > In Black* and *Lips In The Hills*. "I know just what I want it to sound like . . ." > Finally, this show also brought back my faith and hope that BOC will > continue as a band for years to come. While they may never play large > halls again, they still rock (and could show many bands of these times > how to really rock and roll), and it appears that a good time was had > by all - fans and band alike. And as long as we're all still having > fun, let's keep the party going . . . HEAR HEAR A passerby in Times Square From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Mon Dec 11 17:31:38 1995 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:31:38 -0500 Subject: BOC: 12/03/95 Show Review Message-ID: Excellent review - John should publish. Did you bring your portable PC to the show to take notes ? Incrediably detailed ! Anyway, as I mentioned in a previous post, I was in attendance of the St. Pete show as well. > >The sound quality >was excellent (which was a pleasant surprise as I complained about this >for a show they did in New Hampshire this past summer, and a few others >have also complained about a poor mix for some recent shows) - very >clear and not overpoweringly loud (i.e., my ears weren't ringing the >next morning when I woke up). This is the only item I must disagree on - I thought the sound was marginal. I'm not sure where John was sitting but from where I was (front row in front of Buck), the sound was somewhat distorted. The Melbourne and Jacksonville shows were much better with respect to this detail. - I asked Rick about this at the Orange Park show and he said he was not happy about the venue at all. He told me that the Band does not bring there own production equipment (speakers - etc..) - and must rely on the club. > >It appears that the band has re-worked the new songs somewhat. The >break before the last verse in *Harvest Moon* seems more complex, and >now very heavy. Also, I'm not sure, but there may be some additional >lyrics to *I'd Like To See You In Black* -- maybe I've just grown more >accustomed to the song, but the title lyric doesn't seem as repetitive >as it used to. Both songs were very well received by the crowd, >proving that BOC doesn't have to rely on the same classics every time >to get a good response (although the classics still get the biggest >response). Latest word on the new album from Eric during the show was >"next summer". > Agreed - in fact Harvest Moon was played a little differently at all three shows. > >Danny "The Law" Miranda is definitely the best BOC bassplayer since Joe >Bouchard. Agreed - Danny's enthusiasm serves the band well. >Finally, this show also brought back my faith and hope that BOC will >continue as a band for years to come. While they may never play large >halls again, they still rock (and could show many bands of these times >how to really rock and roll), and it appears that a good time was had >by all - fans and band alike. And as long as we're all still having >fun, let's keep the party going . . . > >From what Eric and Buck have told me - this is their living. So I would expect to see them out on the road periodically for sometime. Other than the sound (and it really was not horrible - just not as good as the other venues), I had a blast at the show. As many of you know, the band is now on their way to Europe. Shawn From eqshw.blauchno at EMAIL.STATE.UT.US Mon Dec 11 19:04:16 1995 From: eqshw.blauchno at EMAIL.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:04:16 -0700 Subject: BOC:DFTR and Godzilla (TV Versions) Message-ID: The S to N ratio seems to be improving. I think that's good...?! Had my first opportunity to hear the TV versions of DFTR and Godzilla from CC. I know that some like this album and others don't (I'm somewhere in between) but I have to ask: Why do the voices on Godzilla (tv version) sound like the chipmunks? Is that Alvin on lead vocal? What is the history of this version of the song? Help! Brad L. Brad Lauchnor blauchno at email.state.ut.us Environmental Engineer (801) 538-9403 Chemical Demilitarization Salt Lake City, Utah Utah Department of Environmental Quality From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Dec 11 19:10:53 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 19:10:53 -0500 Subject: BOC: Buck Dharma Tshirts Message-ID: ladies, fish and gentleman, just got my Buck Dharma Flat Out Tshirt today and it looks great! I was able to scan the t-shirt (although the scan is imperfect! : } ) and load the artwork up to the Underbelly http://pages.prodigy.com/PA/robo/robo1.html just click on the Dharma icon at the top of the page for more info OR Email Buck at DharmaT at aol.com for further info on the shirts ROBO From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Mon Dec 11 22:15:11 1995 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 22:15:11 -0500 Subject: BOC: 12/03/95 Show Review Message-ID: At 02:24 PM 12/11/95 -0800, you wrote: > >I've had a slightly different experience. Most of the shows I've seen >them in are around that figure. Joe Bouchard did a gig in Orlando in >March of 91 (Ithink) as front man for something called the Cult Bros. I >looked for the then-promised album, but never found it. Wow - I was at that show. It was neat talking to Joe Bouchard - however I was most disappointed once I learned the show advertised by Ticket Master as BOC was the Cult Brothers. I seem to remember a woman in from the audiance taking her top off. Have not heard from the Cult Brothers since. I believe some of the band may be working with Albert. > >When did Harvest Moon become part of the playlist? >> > The first time I heard Harvest Moon was on 7/25/92. Shawn From Chris.C.O'Neill at APVXC1.PHARMACEUTICALS.ZENECA.TMAILUK.SPRINT.COM Mon Dec 11 12:15:35 1995 From: Chris.C.O'Neill at APVXC1.PHARMACEUTICALS.ZENECA.TMAILUK.SPRINT.COM (Chris O'Neill - ZC&TS (Tel 01625 515603)) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 12:15:35 -0500 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Xenon Codex Message-ID: From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Date: 11-Dec-1995 J Strobridge writes: > > > > > > > > Strange, my copy of _XC_ has Brtock labelled as 'Dr. HasBeen' (which > > > worried me immensely at the time I might add) > > > > > > > 'Tis true - as I understand it, he took his name off this album because > > he was not at all happy with it for some reason. There's obviously > > another story behind here somewhere but I've no idea what the full > > explanation is! > He isn't the only one who was unhappy with it. When I first bought > it, I despised it so thoroughly that I tossed it on the floor in the > middle of the room, and trod on it for several days before giving it > another listen. ;-) Hmmm... It wasn't that bad :-) OK, it did take me a while to appreciate it, but l suspect this was due to the fact that _XC_ didn't really sound like a typical HW recording (Is there such a thing ?). The nice thing is that l can play it in the car and not get too much earache from my girlfriend who is NOT a HW fan. > Steve > who doesn't believe in letting bands be their own harshest critics Chris O'Neill Who has returned to the BOC-L list after a lengthy absence. e-mail : chris.c.o'neill at apvxc1.zeneca.com P.S - Have l missed anything ? From martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU Tue Dec 12 15:32:13 1995 From: martynl at FUJITSU.COM.AU (Martyn Lawrence) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:32:13 EST Subject: HW: Nicknames & Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: <199512111827.NAA23806@mindvox.phantom.com>; from "Stephen Swann" at Dec 11, 95 01:27:04 pm Message-ID: > > But "Mutation Zone", "EMC", and all that other noise and garble on > side 2 really ticked me off. It ruins _Xenon Codex_ as an album for > me, because it means that I can never stand to listen to it all the > way through. > > Steve > Yep its very annoying,and when they played it live -even worse,however the band obviously realised that it wasn't going down too well,as they cut it down in size later in the tour,thank god. We also used to change to "activated city"or whatever the words are to something else,not so endearing. But overall the Mad Proffesors Lab tour was good,lasers for the first time since '79 and the Harvey ramble in the middle of Utopia,they also dropped a few songs through the tour through memory,and who could forget the CHICKENS. regards Marty From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Dec 11 17:26:24 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:26:24 -0500 Subject: Nethawk tshirts received? Message-ID: > >Some folks got theirs. Which folks haven't got 'em yet? > >FoFP > > Got mine! Looks good, fits good. Thanks Duane -- " We are the warriors at the edge of time. " From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Mon Dec 11 17:24:51 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:24:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Xenon Codex Message-ID: > >>Why? I can see that the last track would be pretty annoying, but the >>rest of it seems fine. There's more good stuff on there than on >>Out And Intake (the previous release), or Zones, or Chronicles Of The >>Black Sword. (All IMO, of course) :-) > >>Dave. > >I remember listerning to the Friday Rock Show and Mr Vance played Neon >Skyline and I thought great stuff... Got the album (as if I wasn,t going to >any way.) the first track summed up the entire album for me The War I >Survived Brilliant. > >Derrick... Put me down for a vote in the " like it " category. When I heard " Wastelands of Sleep" and Tides, I couldn't quit listening. Mutation Zone and Good Evening are a bit annoying, but all in all a good album. Duane -- " We are the warriors at the edge of time. " From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 12 04:14:26 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 09:14:26 +0000 Subject: BOC: 12/03/95 Show Review In-Reply-To: from "john paine" at Dec 11, 95 02:24:44 pm Message-ID: > >The crowd was mostly an older one, but there were a > > few younger folks there as well, proving that BOC has something to > > offer for everyone. > > > That is certainly true enough. Many of the concert-goers I have seen > could not have possibly picked up on BOC when they packed the big > arenas. Lets hear for the indy radio stations! I must have been about 11 or so the last time BOC was packing big arenas ;) But then lets also hear it for deranged friends who insist, You've _got_ to hear this cool music! "Fresh from zones of moisture ......" Cheers, Carl From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 12 08:18:18 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:18:18 EST Subject: BOC:DFTR and Godzilla (TV Versions) Message-ID: > Godzilla from CC. I know that some like this album and others don't > (I'm somewhere in between) but I have to ask: Why do the voices > > Brad L. > Yeah, CC is kind of a problem. Generally, I like it, and think it sounds great. The problem is, it features several songs that are signature tunes of the Bouchard brothers, but redone with other people singing and playing them. Also, the lack of album credits really got to me. Who plays drums and bass on CC? On the positive side, the songs are presented as they have evolved, reflecting the way they are now performed lived. I don't have the record with me, so I can't cite specific examples. Many feature new endings, arrangements, etc. And face it, after such a dry spell, it's great to hear ANYTHING by the BOC, whatever it's lineup. ChaNGE TOPIC aNY IDEA WHO SINGS ON 'hUNGRY bOYS?' I'd say Joe, but then comes 'Fallen Angels' which is definitely Joe, doing a Roger Daltry impersonation. In fact, 'Angels' really sounds a lot like a late-era Who tune, doesn't it? 'Hungry' definitely has Al on backing vocals... theo From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 12 08:28:59 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:28:59 -0500 Subject: BOC:DFTR and Godzilla (TV Versions) Message-ID: Brad asks: > Why do the voices on Godzilla (tv version) sound like the chipmunks? Is that Alvin on lead vocal? What is the history of this version of the song? Help! Those voices are the background vocals - I imagine they have been electronically altered somewhat, but listen to the full version carefully and you will hear them in the background. Now, memory fails me here, but I believe this was also done on the original version of Godzilla (released on Spectres) as well - listen to the last couple times the phrase "history shows again and again . . ." is sung - you should be able to hear this same high-pitched background effect. John From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Dec 12 08:37:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:37:00 EST Subject: HW: Dr., Dr. Message-ID: I spent part of the weekend researching my HW covers (the real stuff, not covers). (Boy, when technical libraries go fully multimedia, I might go back for another degree.) What got me thinking Dr. Technical is somebody else is that he is credited as Mr. mixer on _White Zone_. Since Dave is in his Dr. Hasbeen era and on there as DB for instruments, this made me think 2 separate life forces are at work. Seems to me either DB or Dr. H. would be the mixer credit if Dave did it. On the nickname thread - Isn't there a nickname for one of Dave's kids? One of the Sonic Assassin variants made me think he was thanking his son(?) after he thanked his wife. Back to the covers. Dave is Baron Brock, Sonic Assassin, on _XC_ (the CD version). Seems he gave up Dr. Technical earlier (see above). Dr. Technical is also credited with song writing on the _Church_ opus as well as the photo. Rudy (BS, then, Piled higher & Deeper) "Mutation Zone is my home" From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 12 08:42:36 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:42:36 -0500 Subject: BOC: 12/03/95 Show Review Message-ID: A few comments to questions asked in response to my review. Shawn - didn't know you were at the show. For most of the show, I was standing in the back near the soundboard (and from there the sound seemed excellent - my guess is that directly in front of the band with most of the speakers at right angles to you, and being more in front of Buck's amp than the others probably contributed to your not liking the sound quality as much as I did), and then I wandered up near the front (probably 8-10 feet from the stage) on Danny's side. Harvest Moon has not been a "regular" in the setlist over the past year, but it is played on ocassion (sounds like it was a regular for the Florida shows) - both it and Still Burnin' were more regular in the sets prior to mid-94, afterwhich they took somewhat of a back seat to I'd Like To See You In Black. The Cult Brothers never made an album, as far as I know. Billy Hilfiger, now with The Brain Surgeons, used to play guitar for them. Joe has been off doing other things so I don't think the Cult Brothers have played in the last 3 or 4 years -- perhaps Albert could provide more info? Shawn says: >>>From what Eric and Buck have told me - this is their living. So I would expect to see them out on the road periodically for sometime. I hope so. Prior to the release of WOTT, things had been looking a bit bleak for the band though (no record deal, dwindling audiences, and rumors that Buck wasn't exactly happy doing the BOC tour thing - although it seems that his attitude has changed). I definitely think they could keep going for sometime, and since I sent this review to both Buck and Eric, I had written this to hint to them that I (and many more of us) hope they keep going strong for years to come. And no, I didn't bring a portable PC to the show, although I did have a small notebook and pen (mostly to write down the setlist). Glad to hear the review was appreciated. My next review will be put out some time after Christmas, detailing my experiences at the upcoming Brain Surgeons gig in Boston (December 22nd, Mama Kin - Be there if you can!). John From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Dec 12 09:29:57 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 09:29:57 -0500 Subject: Harvest Moon on playlist Message-ID: >When did Harvest Moon become part of the playlist? Hmmmm I saw a review of them in Cleveland that didn't list it, and they didn't play it at Sunrise when I saw them (the first Florida stop on their tour), but if I remember right, the setlists included it on the following Melbourne and St. Petersburg shows. There was a day off between Sunrise and Melbourne, and I heard from someone that Rick Downey now lives in south Florida, so maybe they worked something out as to how they wanted to do it at that time.... ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Dec 12 09:30:03 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 09:30:03 -0500 Subject: BOC:DFTR and Godzilla (TV Versions) Message-ID: Also, the lack of album credits >really got to me. Who plays drums and bass on CC? Huh? Mine has album credits. Jon Rogers plays bass, and Chuck Burgi (with umlats on the "u") plays Drums. The only thing I can find confusing are the credits on that album are that some songs are credited differently than they are elsewhere. For example "Buck's Boogie", which is credited to "A. Bouchard-D. Roeser" on other versions is listed simply as "D. Roeser" on CC. "OD'd On Life Itself", originally credited on T&M to "E.Bloom-A.Bouchard-J.Bouchard-S.Pearlman" on CC is credited to "S. Pearlman-E.Bloom-D.Roeser-A.Bouchard"... Yeah, the songs have evolved somewhat... are there sections that they simply left out? I don't think the order means anything, in a few they're swapped around (like Meltzer being listed first instead of last on Harvester... and I don't think he's been involved in any evolution that song may have undergone...) ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Dec 12 09:34:41 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 14:34:41 +0000 Subject: BOC: London gig In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 08 Dec 1995 11:02:49 EST." <9512081602.AA19712@phinet.sb.com> Message-ID: > To all you going to the Forum next wednesday: I will, hopefully, > meet you all in the pub next door. I will be getting there at > about 6.30. Hopefully Tim will have a BOC-L hat on or something > so that I can find you :-). I can't wait!! Only been waiting 6 years, > 8 months and 28 days to see them again. Right, see all you UK-ers in the pub next door to the Forum 6.30pm ish tomorrow. With the kind weather we have right now, I doubt I'll be wearing a Nethawks t-shirt visibly, but I know Jason so maybe we'll just accrete people as time goes by. If that fails, just look for an ugly late 20's bloke with short dark brown hair, large nose and goatee :-) Mine's a pint of Caffreys thanks... Jason, since its your birthday, it can be your round ;-) Later, Tim 'I always thought it was one of those things that showed that God had a sense of humour. Gabriel comes up and says "Hey, Chief, the Americans are really messed up down there, we're going to have to straighten them out." And God says "Well send 'em some of that stuff you've been working on, that acid. And er, have the CIA distribute it" You can hear the celestial laugh.. ' Ship of Fools "L=Sd^2" From lansford at VNET.NET Tue Dec 12 05:14:00 1995 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:14:00 GMT Subject: BOC: 12/03/95 Show Review In-Reply-To: <199512120315.WAA25185@ddi.digital.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Dec 1995, Shawn Quinn wrote: >Wow - I was at that show. It was neat talking to Joe Bouchard - however I >was most disappointed once I learned the show advertised by Ticket Master as >BOC was the Cult Brothers. I seem to remember a woman in from the audiance >taking her top off. Have not heard from the Cult Brothers since. There was a threat of legal action over CB shows being advertised as BOC (though I don't know who was actually doing the misidentification) and Joe folded the band. From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Dec 12 10:01:03 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:01:03 +0000 Subject: +personal In-Reply-To: <9512111554.ZM3695@unknown.zmail.host> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Dec 1995, Frank Weil wrote: > File this one under the unexpected sightings heading. > > Kollector beware: I was at Tower Records yesterday and got a free CD > sampler from Legacy Records. The packaging is a rather confusing > jumble, but this has something to do with Sony Music. Anyway, there > is a very eclectic collection of artists on this CD: > > Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Robert Johnson, > Isley Brothers, Clash, Weather Report, > Mahalia Jackson, Janis Joplin, George Jones, > Pete Seeger, Dave Mason, Sly & The Family Stone, > Santana, and our intrepid heros BOC > > Talk about spanning a few musical styles! The BOC song is Don't Fear > the Reaper from WotT. At least there is some effort being made to > promote them. > > Frank I also got this sampler whilst on my recent sojourn in LA. In addition, I purchased 3 BOC CDs at about $8 each, for which I then got an unexpected discount at the counter (about 98c I think). Dave From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Tue Dec 12 09:59:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 09:59:00 -0500 Subject: HW: Dr., Dr. Message-ID: Isn't the first Hawkfan 7" by Brian Tawn, Dr. Technical and it has apicture of Brock on the front?? Scott ObCassette: Gong- 25th BIrthday Party From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Tue Dec 12 10:05:11 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:05:11 +0000 Subject: BOC: London gig In-Reply-To: <15689.9512121434@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Dec 12, 95 02:34:41 pm Message-ID: > Right, see all you UK-ers in the pub next door to the Forum 6.30pm ish > tomorrow. With the kind weather we have right now, I doubt I'll be wearing > a Nethawks t-shirt visibly, but I know Jason so maybe we'll just accrete people > as time goes by. If that fails, just look for an ugly late 20's bloke with > short dark brown hair, large nose and goatee :-) Mine's a pint of Caffreys > thanks... You've got a goatee now? Have you no shame? > Jason, since its your birthday, I'll buy you a pint. ;-) Excellent. Many thanks Tim. I'll have a pint of Caffreys :-) Jason ps. Some of you may like to know that BOC will be playing "I'd like to see you in Black" and "Harvest Moon". I know this because the Sunday Times told me so (yes, I was surprised to see this in the Gigs section of the ST). Their considered opinion was to stay until the end to hear (Don't Fear) The Reaper! -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From eqshw.blauchno at EMAIL.STATE.UT.US Tue Dec 12 10:23:19 1995 From: eqshw.blauchno at EMAIL.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:23:19 -0700 Subject: BOC:DFTR and Godzilla (TV Versions) -Reply Message-ID: I wrote: > Why do the voices on Godzilla (tv version) sound like the chipmunks? Is that Alvin on lead vocal? What is the history of this version of the song? Help! John wrote: Those voices are the background vocals - I imagine they have been electronically altered somewhat, but listen to the full version carefully and you will hear them in the background. Now, memory fails me here, but I believe this was also done on the original version of Godzilla (released on Specters) as well - listen to the last couple times the phrase "history shows again and again . . ." is sung - you should be able to hear this same high-pitched background effect. You may be right John. I'll have to listen closely to the original. They just seemed VERY strange, standing out quite a bit, without the original lead vocals. I also remember the "history shows again and again.. " at the end. I'll give it a close listen tonight and see if BOC has Alvin on backing vocals ;). John, do you know why this is called the "TV version" when was it used on TV? Brad L. Brad Lauchnor blauchno at email.state.ut.us Environmental Engineer (801) 538-9403 Chemical Demilitarization Salt Lake City, Utah Utah Department of Environmental Quality From swann at PHANTOM.COM Tue Dec 12 10:27:39 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:27:39 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Cult Brothers In-Reply-To: <199512121342.IAA25244@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Dec 12, 95 08:42:36 am Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > > The Cult Brothers never made an album, as far as I know. Billy Hilfiger, > now with The Brain Surgeons, used to play guitar for them. Joe has been > off doing other things so I don't think the Cult Brothers have played > in the last 3 or 4 years -- perhaps Albert could provide more info? Well, I'm sure Albert can provide more, but I know a few things that might be of interest. (I thought I posted this a couple of weeks ago, but maybe I forgot to.) Billy Hilfiger said to me recently that Joe had contacted him, about getting the Cult Bros back together. I didn't get a clear impression of whether this was supposed to be a one-shot, or whether Joe is re-forming the band. It also wasn't clear whether this was to be for recording (Billy mentioned some "new songs") or performance. I have met most members of the Cult Bros (at various Brain Surgeons gigs), and have pieced to together some info about them: they had an album (and possibly a video) almost ready to go, but the project just never quite coalesced. The band only occasionally keep in touch, but they all voiced some variation on "If Joe calls me, I'll be there." Maybe somebody who'll be at the Mamakin show could ask Billy for more info. Or Joe, if he shows up. And nag him. :-) Steve From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Dec 12 10:13:30 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:13:30 +0000 Subject: BOC: London gig In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:05:11 GMT." <9512121505.aa19048@madge1.dev.madge.com> Message-ID: > > as time goes by. If that fails, just look for an ugly late 20's bloke with > > short dark brown hair, large nose and goatee :-) Mine's a pint of Caffreys > > thanks... > > You've got a goatee now? Have you no shame? Oi, You got a problem with that matey ? :-) > > Jason, since its your birthday, I'll buy you a pint. ;-) > > Excellent. Many thanks Tim. I'll have a pint of Caffreys :-) Errrrmmmmm... > > Jason > > ps. Some of you may like to know that BOC will be playing "I'd like to see > you in Black" and "Harvest Moon". I know this because the Sunday Times told > me so (yes, I was surprised to see this in the Gigs section of the ST). Their > considered opinion was to stay until the end to hear (Don't Fear) The Reaper! Hmm, I didn't notice it ! Good job I got my ticket before the last minute sell out flood then... Tim From eqshw.blauchno at EMAIL.STATE.UT.US Tue Dec 12 10:53:44 1995 From: eqshw.blauchno at EMAIL.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:53:44 -0700 Subject: BOC: CC Message-ID: Ted wrote: On the positive side, the songs are presented as they have evolved, reflecting the way they are now performed lived. I don't have the record with me, so I can't cite specific examples. Many feature new endings, arrangements, etc. And face it, after such a dry spell, it's great to hear ANYTHING by the BOC, whatever it's lineup. I write: I didn't get to hear the whole thing. I did like the new version of O.D.ed on life itself. Thought it sounded good. Friend of mine just got it. Since I loaned him my Surgeons CD I guess I'll have to snag his CC for a couple of weeks. What are friends for... Brad L. Brad Lauchnor blauchno at email.state.ut.us Environmental Engineer (801) 538-9403 Chemical Demilitarization Salt Lake City, Utah Utah Department of Environmental Quality From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 12 10:58:36 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:58:36 GMT Subject: Hawkwind - updated discography and codex available Message-ID: Jill and I have brought the Discography and Codex up to date for all the latest releases. Email me if you want a copy. Does anyone have the lyrics for the Alien4 stuff yet? Could someone who has listened to the new album enough to know the tracks please categorise 'em into: 1) poetry 2) instrumental 3) rock ta! FoFP From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Dec 12 11:02:21 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:02:21 +0000 Subject: BOC London/Offtop: Satriani In-Reply-To: <9512121505.aa19048@madge1.dev.madge.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Dec 1995, Jason O'Broin wrote: > > Right, see all you UK-ers in the pub next door to the Forum 6.30pm ish > > tomorrow. With the kind weather we have right now, I doubt I'll be wearing > > a Nethawks t-shirt visibly, but I know Jason so maybe we'll just accrete people > > as time goes by. If that fails, just look for an ugly late 20's bloke with > > short dark brown hair, large nose and goatee :-) Mine's a pint of Caffreys > > thanks... See you tomorrow guys! As I've not met you I'll be looking out for the t-shirts and goatees. I'm a dark-haired 33yr old, and will be wearing a leather jacket and either a Nethawks shirt or (depending on weather) a sweatshirt with the words "Big Bear" on it. All is quiet from Andy Gilham lately; is he still on the list? Off-topically, I can't resist mentioning that I saw Joe Satriani at Wembley on Sunday. What an astounding guitar player!! However, he almost had the show stolen from him by his bass player who, I think, is called Stuart Ham. This guy is incredible; he plays a solo spot in which he does loads of tapping technique, taking in a fantastic version of the Star Spangled Banner - drawing several elicitations of spontaneous applause/cheering from this British audience - and also a mad piece of country banjo-style playing. Good health to you.... Dave Hardman From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 12 11:12:56 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 11:12:56 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Cult Brothers Message-ID: Steve asks: >Maybe somebody who'll be at the Mamakin show could ask Billy for more info. Or Joe, if he shows up. And nag him. :-) Would be cool if Joe shows up, and while no hints of such have been made, I'd suspect that there might be a possibility (note: I have NO "inside knowlege" on this - it's pure speculation on my part that Joe might consider making the trip to Boston -- would be very cool as I've always wanted to meet one of my original bass guitar heroes). I will, however, try to ask someone (Billy perhaps, or maybe Albert will know something) about rumors of the Cult Brothers doing future stuff. This of course assumes I don't consume too many beers (better not, 'cuz I gotta drive home), can stick around long enough after the gig (planning on it), and can hear after the show (my ears were ringing pretty good for a day or two after the last gig at Mamakin). John From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Tue Dec 12 11:11:08 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:11:08 +0000 Subject: BOC London/Offtop: Satriani In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:02:21 GMT." Message-ID: > > All is quiet from Andy Gilham lately; is he still on the list? He's in Morroco. > Off-topically, I can't resist mentioning that I saw Joe Satriani at > Wembley on Sunday. What an astounding guitar player!! However, he almost > had the show stolen from him by his bass player who, I think, is called > Stuart Ham. This guy is incredible; he plays a solo spot in which he does > loads of tapping technique, taking in a fantastic version of the Star > Spangled Banner - drawing several elicitations of spontaneous > applause/cheering from this British audience - and also a mad piece of > country banjo-style playing. I saw Satch playing back on the Flying in a Blue Dream Tour. You are correct. Stu Hamm is un-fucking-believable, especially on his solo piece (did he do the Peanuts/Snoopy song as well?) I was going to go to this but I much rather see Joe at a smaller venue. Mr. Vai might have the technical expertise and vision, but his tutor really makes a guitar sing. Anyway, see you tomorrow, Tim From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 12 11:15:46 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 11:15:46 -0500 Subject: BOC:DFTR and Godzilla (TV Versions) -Reply Message-ID: >John, do you know why this is called the "TV version" when was it used on TV? Well, I'm not sure, but I think that originally the TV mini-series was going to use the "TV Mix" of "The Reaper" rather than the full vocal version. I don't know if there was ever an intent to use "Godzilla" or not, but I think the "TV Mix" label comes from that. As it turned out, they used the full vocal version of "The Reaper" in the TV mini- series of *The Stand*. John From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Dec 12 11:11:33 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:11:33 +0000 Subject: BOC: London gig In-Reply-To: <15972.9512121513@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: > > > > ps. Some of you may like to know that BOC will be playing "I'd like to see > > you in Black" and "Harvest Moon". I know this because the Sunday Times told > > me so (yes, I was surprised to see this in the Gigs section of the ST). Their > > considered opinion was to stay until the end to hear (Don't Fear) The Reaper! > > Hmm, I didn't notice it ! Good job I got my ticket before the last minute sell > out flood then... > > Tim Next up: an editorial on BOC by Andrew Neil, and an interview spot with Frost on Sunday...all part of the plan to make it back to the big time! Dave From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Tue Dec 12 11:38:32 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:38:32 +0000 Subject: BOC London/Offtop: Satriani In-Reply-To: from "Hardman DK" at Dec 12, 95 04:02:21 pm Message-ID: > See you tomorrow guys! As I've not met you I'll be looking out for the > t-shirts and goatees. I'm a dark-haired 33yr old, and will be wearing a > leather jacket and either a Nethawks shirt or (depending on weather) a > sweatshirt with the words "Big Bear" on it. No goatees here. That's just Tim doing his bid to look silly. I'll probably be wearing a Deep Purple shirt, or possible my Queensryche net.shirt (!) > Off-topically, I can't resist mentioning that I saw Joe Satriani at > Wembley on Sunday. What an astounding guitar player!! However, he almost > had the show stolen from him by his bass player who, I think, is called > Stuart Ham. This guy is incredible; he plays a solo spot in which he does > loads of tapping technique, taking in a fantastic version of the Star > Spangled Banner - drawing several elicitations of spontaneous > applause/cheering from this British audience - and also a mad piece of > country banjo-style playing. Yes I was there also. Excellent stuff, although Joe appeared to be a dwarf from where I was sitting. Even so, the right hand doing a bar chord and left hand tapping trick still looked good from the back. Stuart Hamm was pretty impressive. I've never seen him before and I was rather impressed. That makes up for the awful support band. Gosh they were bad. Bring back Adrian Legg, that's what I say. Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From eqshw.blauchno at EMAIL.STATE.UT.US Tue Dec 12 11:41:59 1995 From: eqshw.blauchno at EMAIL.STATE.UT.US (Brad M. Lauchnor) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 09:41:59 -0700 Subject: BOC:DFTR and Godzilla (TV Versions) -Reply Message-ID: John wrote: Well, I'm not sure, but I think that originally the TV mini-series was going to use the "TV Mix" of "The Reaper" rather than the full vocal version. I don't know if there was ever an intent to use "Godzilla" or not, but I think the "TV Mix" label comes from that. As it turned out, they used the full vocal version of "The Reaper" in the TV mini- series of *The Stand*. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember DFTR being in The Stand but didn't know if Godzilla was also intended for the same use. So perhaps both were mixed w/o vocals for The Stand but were never used? BTW, The Stand was filmed here in SLC just around the corner from a friends apartment. (I know, I know. Who cares?). Brad L. Brad Lauchnor blauchno at email.state.ut.us Environmental Engineer (801) 538-9403 Chemical Demilitarization Salt Lake City, Utah Utah Department of Environmental Quality From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Dec 12 11:49:59 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:49:59 +0000 Subject: BOC London/Offtop: Satriani In-Reply-To: <9512121638.aa28065@madge1.dev.madge.com> Message-ID: > > Yes I was there also. Excellent stuff, although Joe appeared to be a > dwarf from where I was sitting. Even so, the right hand doing a bar chord > and left hand tapping trick still looked good from the back. > > Stuart Hamm was pretty impressive. I've never seen him before and I was > rather impressed. That makes up for the awful support band. Gosh they were > bad. Bring back Adrian Legg, that's what I say. Happily I missed the support band, because I stayed in to watch Beverly Hills 901210. And I'm proud of it!! :) :) Dave Ob: "Are you just going to stand there holding that hose in your hand, or are you going to stick it in my tank?" ......New female character in Beverly Hills 90210 (in filling station pick-up scenario) From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 12 12:36:16 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 12:36:16 -0500 Subject: BOC London/Offtop: Satriani Message-ID: Andy writes: > However, he almost had the show stolen from him by his bass player who, I think, is called Stuart Ham. This guy is incredible; he plays a solo spot in which he does loads of tapping technique, taking in a fantastic version of the Star Spangled Banner - drawing several elicitations of spontaneous applause/cheering from this British audience - and also a mad piece of country banjo-style playing. Stu Hamm is recognized as one of the finest bass-players in the business - and an expert when it comes to bass-tapping. I'm currently trying to get one or two of his CDs ("The Urge", and "Kings of Sleep") to get a good listen to him myself. Did he do the "Peanuts" theme song (otherwise known as "Linus and Lucy") on his bass? I hear it's pretty incredible! John From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Tue Dec 12 13:01:26 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 13:01:26 EST Subject: Off: Stu Hamm Message-ID: > > > Stu Hamm is recognized as one of the finest bass-players in the > business - and an expert when it comes to bass-tapping. I'm currently > trying to get one or two of his CDs ("The Urge", and "Kings of Sleep") > to get a good listen to him myself. Did he do the "Peanuts" theme song > (otherwise known as "Linus and Lucy") on his bass? I hear it's pretty > incredible! > > John Stu is an amazing musician and a cool individual as well. What label are his solo discs on? They're virtually unavailable up here in the tundra. BTW, check out Gary Hoey's take on 'Linus.." on his 'Endless Summer II' soundtrack. The whole record's amazing. theo From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Tue Dec 12 13:10:38 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 12:10:38 -0600 Subject: HW: any new stuff seen? In-Reply-To: <9512111954.aa09364@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Dec 1995, J Strobridge wrote: > > Dunno what this implies, except perhaps continued supply and > > distribution problems at Griffin itself. > > > > > There's a Griffin home page (I think) on the Web which is advertising > all the recent stuff. Might be worth getting in touch direct with > them rather than waiting for distributors to get hold of stuff. > > > jill > > > > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > i think i'll wait before ordering direct from griffen - there prices are kind of steep - when avialible i can usually get the new stuff for 12- 14 bucks and no postage - can't beat that -mike psyche From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Dec 12 13:38:19 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 13:38:19 -0500 Subject: OFF Stu Hamm In-Reply-To: <199512121736.MAA10214@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Dec 12, 95 12:36:16 pm Message-ID: > > Andy writes: > > > However, he almost > had the show stolen from him by his bass player who, I think, is called > Stuart Ham. This guy is incredible; he plays a solo spot in which he does > loads of tapping technique, taking in a fantastic version of the Star > Spangled Banner - drawing several elicitations of spontaneous > applause/cheering from this British audience - and also a mad piece of > country banjo-style playing. > > > Stu Hamm is recognized as one of the finest bass-players in the > business - and an expert when it comes to bass-tapping. I'm currently > trying to get one or two of his CDs ("The Urge", and "Kings of Sleep") > to get a good listen to him myself. Did he do the "Peanuts" theme song > (otherwise known as "Linus and Lucy") on his bass? I hear it's pretty > incredible! > > John > IMHO, the best SH release is "Radio Free Albemuth". Satch is on guitar on several of the tracks. He does his country hoedown track ("Hey, man, play some country!" Then, at the end, "Hey, man, play a polka!") as well as two classical solos. No "L&L", but I may have to see if I can find the release that has that on it (didn't know he did that one)! "KoS" was disappointing, being almost generic heavy-metal in comparison to "RFA". It didn't have half the diversity and styles as "RFA". But the playing is top-notch. "RFA" was on Relativity (Satch's label for his first couple of CD's). -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Tue Dec 12 15:23:35 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:23:35 -0500 Subject: OFF Stu Hamm Message-ID: I believe that the Linus and Lucy bit is on one of the songs on Stu's "The Urge" album. I'm currently trying to secure a copy. I have seen it advertised in cdconnection -- it, along with "Radio Free Albemuth" are on the "Ruthless" (Ruthless Rhymes?) label, and "Kings of Sleep" is listed as being on Relativity. John From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Tue Dec 12 16:43:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:43:00 -0500 Subject: Torgo gets his.... Message-ID: All boc-lers far and wide and wider, Torgo open mailbox today. Torgo reach inside. Torgo pull out Career of X-mas. Torgo happy camper. Seriously folks, I got my copy of Career of x-mas today and it is a real gem. The cover is a spoof of the WOTT cover featuring Snoopy on the box and it has 3 rockin' tunes. Baby Ice Dog, Career of Evil, and Ciudades y navidades, a very unique version of Cities on flame. The 3 tunes are repeated on side 2 for easy over-playing on auto reverse systems. If you did not order a copy of this, please kick yourself now. This tape leaves you feeling like you've been drop-kicked in the sternum by Andre the Giant. Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com PS, Also FINALLY got my copy of Eponymous today, I'm only up to Soul Jive and I can tell already that it will be very overplayed in the next few days. Good stuff. LOVE that SAX!!!!!!! From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Dec 12 17:17:00 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:17:00 -0500 Subject: OTHER: Joe Satriani Message-ID: howdy...just a note 4 the Satriani fans that I saw Herr Joe on the cover of a guitar mag...I think it was Guitar Player if you're interested in checkin' it out... ROBO From lansford at VNET.NET Tue Dec 12 17:31:17 1995 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 22:31:17 GMT Subject: BOC:DFTR and Godzilla (TV Versions) -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Dec 1995, "Brad M. Lauchnor" wrote: >I remember DFTR being in The Stand but didn't know if Godzilla was also >intended for the same use. So perhaps both were mixed w/o vocals for >The Stand but were never used? TBS used Godzilla for their ads and commercial breaks during a Godzilla Marathon earlier this year; I think they used both versions, w/ and w/o vocals, at various points. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- No Team -- No Peace Save Our Browns http://sob.df.net/index.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From etidwell at USA1.COM Tue Dec 12 13:10:46 1995 From: etidwell at USA1.COM (etidwell@usa1.com) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 18:10:46 +0000 Subject: BRAIN: Cult Brothers Message-ID: I remember the Cult Brothers played a while back at "The Palace" in Malden, Massachusetts. Can't remember the time frame. Ed From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Tue Dec 12 18:54:17 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 23:54:17 +0000 Subject: BOC: London gig In-Reply-To: <15972.9512121513@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Dec 12, 95 03:13:30 pm Message-ID: You total bastards, going to see see BOC (and Brain Sureons a bit bit later in the States). It's my last night in John's and I feel like a refugee from _Withnail and I_ .... Cheers, Carl From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Tue Dec 12 19:31:51 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:31:51 -0500 Subject: HW: A few 'reviews' Message-ID: chuck(i think)said this to paul:>>>The only thing I really disagree on is "Damage Of Life" - this song is anything but "cheerful" (I THINK that's the word you used)! Maybe what's cheerful to you is depressing to me??<<<< i think the overall tone of the song is somewhat cheery,tho' the lyrics are anything but.i love this song anyway. i think it is pretty amazing the way dave manages to sound up-beat and capture the haunting cry of the wolf all at the same time (vocally). rj From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Tue Dec 12 19:32:09 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:32:09 -0500 Subject: HW: any new stuff seen? Message-ID: >hawkwind -mighty hawkwind classics(griffen) >hawkwind-independant days 1&2 (griffen) I've been watching carefully, but these have not shown up yet...< these are both available.a small-time local record shop here has both in stock, right now,i checked. rj From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Tue Dec 12 19:35:57 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:35:57 -0500 Subject: BOC: London gig In-Reply-To: from "Carl E. Anderson" at Dec 12, 95 11:54:17 pm Message-ID: Carl E. Anderson writes: > You total bastards, going to see see BOC (and Brain Sureons a bit > bit later in the States). It's my last night in John's and I feel like > a refugee from _Withnail and I_ .... Can I have a translation of that, please? ;-) Cheers, Paul. obCDEP: Steve Vai, _Alien Love Secrets_ obBOC-L: Since _Career of Christmas_ has been sighted in mailboxes at last, perhaps it's time for me to rush home and check mine?... e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. "Ich weiss nicht was ich sagen solle..." --- Hawkwind, "Steppenwolf", _Astounding Sounds, Amazing Music_ From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Tue Dec 12 21:13:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 21:13:00 -0500 Subject: Career of X-mas Message-ID: Hello, i just received the Career of X-mas tape with a great little drawing of Snoppy on the front. It contains three tracks: Career Of Evil Ciudades y Navidades (spanish version of Cities on Flame) Baby Ice Dog All are great versions. I enjoyed the sinister vocals of deb. There is a great 70's rock feel to all of the tunes; a major groove in the music. The spanish version of Cities of Flame is great. I loved the little part in the middle with Ace! I am really glad that I have this tape!! i hope the rest of you enjoy yours! Scott ObCassette: Ozric Tentacles- London 5/30/86 From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Dec 12 21:41:44 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:41:44 -0700 Subject: Satriani/BOC connection. In-Reply-To: <199512121736.MAA10214@mbunix.mitre.org> Message-ID: Regarding Satriani and his bass player, Stuart Hamm ; Stuart did a side project in 1991-92 and Ron Riddle was the drummer in his band. This was perhaps the primary reason why Ron left BOC in May of 1991 after their West Coast tour. From what I understand, Ron and BOC are still very good friends, but Ron could not resist jamming with Mr. Hamm. Ron Riddle now plays with a classical/neew age guy by the name of Broza. Manuel in NM. Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From delacour at UNM.EDU Tue Dec 12 21:59:44 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:59:44 -0700 Subject: Career of X-mas in!!! In-Reply-To: <199512112231.RAA07752@ddi.digital.net> Message-ID: To BOC-L people; Just got my copy of Carreer of Evil and it is AWESOME!!!!!!!!! There are 3 track on the tape; 1. Career of Evil. This smokes!! And Deb does a fine vocal on this. Her style really works out well with this old classic tune. 2. Cites on Flame (in Spanish). If you speak Spanish like I do, you will really like the play on words that were done to this tune. If you do not understand Spanish, well you will enjoy all of the little X-Mas medleys during the break in the song. 3. Baby Ice Dog. Deb's voice is astonishingly haunting on this one. I really believe that she is coming along with her own style of singing. So tender is her voice, yet it will wail like a cat!!! The tape cover is really very funny as well. It is a spoof on the WOTT cover, except Snoopy is on top of the sphynx box. God, I wish that BS could come out to NM for a gig or two. Well, once again BS have done an outstanding job with their 3rd release, Thanx Al & Deb for autographing the tape!!! God blass Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From Prozaxs at AOL.COM Wed Dec 13 00:42:22 1995 From: Prozaxs at AOL.COM (Ken Long) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 00:42:22 -0500 Subject: Career of X-mas Message-ID: Yepper! I'm a happy pup, I got my copy today, too. I've only had a chance to listen to the tape, Career of Christmas. Can't wait to sink my ears into the CDs! Ken From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Dec 13 02:10:09 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 02:10:09 -0500 Subject: BOC:DFTR and Godzilla (TV Versions) Message-ID: Theo, "Hunry Boys" - Joe and Al both sing lead. Chuck From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Dec 13 04:52:11 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 09:52:11 +0000 Subject: Satriani/BOC connection. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Dec 1995, jean l delacour wrote: > Regarding Satriani and his bass player, Stuart Hamm ; > > Stuart did a side project in 1991-92 and Ron Riddle was the drummer > in his band. This was perhaps the primary reason why Ron left BOC in Joe Satriani of course played on Imaginos. I can't recall which track/s though; can anyone refresh my memory? Dave From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Wed Dec 13 05:35:49 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 10:35:49 +0000 Subject: BOC: London gig In-Reply-To: <9512130035.AA15145@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> from "Paul Mather" at Dec 12, 95 07:35:57 pm Message-ID: > Carl E. Anderson writes: > > > You total bastards, going to see see BOC (and Brain Sureons a bit > > bit later in the States). It's my last night in John's and I feel like > > a refugee from _Withnail and I_ .... So, perhaps I should request the "finest songs known to all humanity" at the BOC gig tonight? ... or perhaps ask if Eric can make a "Columbian Carrot". "It's got 7 skins (seven seven seven)" [apologies to all those who have never seen this film] > obBOC-L: Since _Career of Christmas_ has been sighted in mailboxes at last, > perhaps it's time for me to rush home and check mine?... Hmm.. that would make a nice birthday present! Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Dec 13 06:39:01 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 06:39:01 -0500 Subject: Calling Andy Gilham Message-ID: Steve Swindells sends his thanks for the info you provided regarding which compilations SDitN appeared. A. Soniqu=E9 -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Dec 13 06:39:32 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 06:39:32 -0500 Subject: HW: Hawkdisk update Message-ID: Although only minor, the 'Hawkdisk' page has had some updates. For those who don't know, the URL is : http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hawkwind/ifoundhw.html A. Soniqu=E9 -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Wed Dec 13 06:46:20 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 06:46:20 -0500 Subject: HW: Rumours on the edge of time .... Message-ID: Hi all, I'm sad to say that the rumour I mentioned a while back was a fizzer! It seems that (very surprisingly), one Mr. Steve Swindells has not heard *ANY* Hawkwind material released since his 'departure' from the band in '79. What makes this even weirder is that fact that he has maintained contact with Martin Griffin to this day - strange that he wasn't interested in the band at least while MG was still drumming for them . Anyway, he stumbled across my WWW pages (one wonders how ... was he searching the net for 'Hawkwind'? Seems strange if that's the case, given that he has been so 'out of touch' ... I must ask), and discovered FoFP/Jill Codex and the various discographies. He mailed me to say 'Gidday', then continued browsing. At some point he noticed the track list for the _Levitation_ album. Here's the rumour ..... "Hey - I'm sure that *I* wrote both 'Motorway City' and 'Who's gunna win the War' ....... please don't say anything until I've checked my notes ....." So I've been holding my breath, waiting to see if any litigation was to follow. I'm happy to say that he mailed me today, and won't be taking one Mr. Brock to court. I'm not sure wether that was his intention or not - but who knows? Other things relating to SS: He has apparently given Knut Gerwer (the guy in Berlin doing the Calvert video project) a heap of information about Bob during the Hawklord era, and assisted in locating some 'lost' footage of some Hawklord's jam sessions ..... but Knut is waiting for Doug Smith to come to some agreement, as he apparently has the tape in his possession at the moment. Steve is also putting together a collection of tracks which he has written over the last 2 or 3 years, and hopes that he can actually record some of these next year. Sadly, he says that it is not very Hawkwind-ish, but it would be good to see it happen anyway. Perhaps he should try talking to DB again .... he might get to use the EBS facilities. That's all for now. A. Soniqu=E9 -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 13 06:58:31 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 11:58:31 GMT Subject: Calling Andy Gilham In-Reply-To: Paul G Ward's message of Wed, 13 Dec 1995 06:39:01 -0500 Message-ID: Paul G Ward writes: > Steve Swindells sends his thanks for the info you provided regarding > which compilations SDitN appeared. >From the Codex: Shot Down in the Night L 1 Live '79 L 1 Ironstrike L 1 Masters of The Universe [ Marble Arch Rock CD] L 1 Hawkwind Anthology triple CD box set [Castle Communications] L 1 25 Years On [Griffin 4-CD Set] L 1 a Shot Down in the Night/ Urban Guerilla 7" L 1 a Night Riding L 1 a Silver Machine CD L 1 b Live - St.Albans 1979 2 This Is Hawkwind - Do Not Panic 3 Hawkwind at Glastonbury 1981 [Cassette] 3 a Friends And Relations III {Psychedelia Lives} 3 a Best of Hawkwind Friends And Relations CD {Psychedelia Lives} 3 a Hawkwind Friends And Relations - The Rarities CD {Psychedelia Lives} 4 Solstice at Stonehenge 1983 5 Orgasmatron * 1a is an edited version of 1 * 1b is a poorer mix of 1 So Steve Swindells would appear on all variants of version 1. FoFP From boris at UMAV31.VERWALTUNG.UNI-MANNHEIM.DE Wed Dec 13 09:54:49 1995 From: boris at UMAV31.VERWALTUNG.UNI-MANNHEIM.DE (Boris Kandziora) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 14:54:49 +0000 Subject: BOC: german tour dates ? Message-ID: I wonder if anyone could tell me if there is another chance to see BOC in germany on their current european tour (I know they were here from oct,30.-nov,03.). From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Wed Dec 13 11:47:10 1995 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 11:47:10 U Subject: BOC: London gig / Hi! Message-ID: Hi! Only just joined the list, so apologies if this information has been given out before - but is anyone bar me going to tonights (13 Dec) gig? Cheers, Rich. ** The grave of Karl Marx is just another Communist plot ** From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 13 08:47:22 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 13:47:22 GMT Subject: HW: Alien stuff Message-ID: I'm putting this up for discussion I think since there may be some disagreement here about what exactly is a "poetry" track and which is rock/instrumental. Any differences of opinion will be welcome! Abducted - spoken/poetry? Alien I Am - rock Reject Your Human Touch - instrumental (with spoken bits?) Blue Skin - ?poetry (?instrumental with spoken bits?) Beam Me Up - mostly spoken ?poetry? (?Rock) Vega - instrumental Kenomorph - rock Journey - instrumental Sputnik Stan - rock Kapal - ?poetry - instrumental with spoken bits (Hamlet) Festivals - ?rock (though it's spoken rather than sung!) Death Trap - rock Wastelands - instrumental Are You Losing Your Mind - ?poetry (spoken) Space Sex - instrumental Any thoughts? jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Wed Dec 13 09:24:55 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 14:24:55 +0000 Subject: BOC: London gig / Hi! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Dec 1995, Richard Lockwood wrote: > Hi! Only just joined the list, so apologies if this information has been > given out before - but is anyone bar me going to tonights (13 Dec) gig? Yes, several of us. We'll be in the "Bull & Gate" (I think that's the name) pub nearby. Look out for people in "Nethawks" T-shirts, which have an ME262 beneath a picture of Stonehenge. I may be wearing a sweatshirt with the words "Big Bear" on the front. See you there. Dave Hardman From daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK Wed Dec 13 09:26:34 1995 From: daveb at HARLEQUIN.CO.UK (Dave Berry) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 14:26:34 GMT Subject: HW: Alien stuff In-Reply-To: J Strobridge's message of Wed, 13 Dec 1995 13:47:22 GMT Message-ID: > Blue Skin - ?poetry (?instrumental with spoken bits?) > Beam Me Up - mostly spoken ?poetry? (?Rock) I think of these as rock, especially Beam Me Up. > Kapal - ?poetry - instrumental with spoken bits (Hamlet) A tricky one this. I'd plump for instrumental. > Festivals - ?rock (though it's spoken rather than sung!) Definitely rock. Dave. From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Wed Dec 13 09:29:26 1995 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 09:29:26 EST Subject: Career of X-mas Message-ID: Feliz Navidad con R & R! Ha! Big laughs and smiles. Should have got more for X-mas gifts. ??Hmmm, maybe I will. RR From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 13 10:01:01 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 10:01:01 -0500 Subject: Satriani/BOC connection. Message-ID: I believe Joe Satriani only plays on the song, Imaginos - as part of the "guitar orchestra". I don't know if he has any other parts on other songs. John From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Dec 13 10:57:13 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 10:57:13 EST Subject: Satriani/Imaginos/Stu Hamm Message-ID: On Joe Satriani and Imaginos: Satriani is on "Imaginos", huh? Even if only a bit part... Well, I guess I'll finally have to purchase a copy of Imaginos. Being only a "fringe" BOC fan I have watched with curiosity and amusement the many discussions of this fictional universe. Being a huge Satch fan (and Stu Hamm too!) requires me to purchase a copy of all items he contributes to; looks like this particular CD will also bring me a lot of bonus points in terms of its detailed storytelling and songwriting... On Stu Hamm: When Stu Hamm tours with Satriani (all of Satch's early tours, glad to hear they are touring together again), Stu is always allowed a solo spot. On live tapes of Satch shows Stu can be heard to play "Peanuts" and the "Star Trek" theme pretty regularly during his solo, although I don't remember either of these appearing on any of his 3 releases. A similar artist to Satch (but with less fire and more atmosphere) is Eric Johnson, major releases being "Tones" and "Ah Via Musicom". If anybody else feels like discussing Satch, Stu, E.J., or others feel free to drop me an 'E'. Now if only we could get a decent lead guitarist back in HW... Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Wed Dec 13 11:36:27 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 16:36:27 +0000 Subject: Satriani/Imaginos/Stu Hamm In-Reply-To: <9512131057.A12139@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> from "cjohnson" at Dec 13, 95 10:57:13 am Message-ID: > On Joe Satriani and Imaginos: > Satriani is on "Imaginos", huh? Even if only a bit part... > Well, I guess I'll finally have to purchase a copy of Imaginos. > Being only a "fringe" BOC fan I have watched with curiosity and > amusement the many discussions of this fictional universe. Being a > huge Satch fan (and Stu Hamm too!) requires me to purchase a copy > of all items he contributes to; looks like this particular CD will > also bring me a lot of bonus points in terms of its detailed > storytelling and songwriting... My personal view is that you wont got wrong picking up a copy of Imaginos. Ignore whether you like BOC or not, Imaginos is something else. I look forward to hearing you views/thoughts on this album. Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Wed Dec 13 12:45:59 1995 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 12:45:59 -0500 Subject: HW: Del in Melodic Energy Commision Message-ID: I just pulled the following off alt.music.psychedelic. Might be something to watch out for... - Chris Del Dettmar has lived in British Columbia, Canada for the last ten years or so. He appeared on two Hawkwind/Floyd/Gongish style albums with the Melodic Energy Commission from Vancouver in the early 80s. These two albums are currently being digitally remastered, and should appear on one CD, repackaged with modified original artwork in the spring or summer of 1996. - Paul Franklin (percussionist/synthesist/co-engineer/general chaotician, Melodic Energy Commission, circa 1980) From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Wed Dec 13 13:04:16 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 12:04:16 -0600 Subject: HW: Alien stuff In-Reply-To: <9512131347.aa16926@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Dec 1995, J Strobridge wrote: > I'm putting this up for discussion I think since there may be some > disagreement here about what exactly is a "poetry" track and which is > rock/instrumental. > > Any differences of opinion will be welcome! > > Abducted - spoken/poetry? > Alien I Am - rock > Reject Your Human Touch - instrumental (with spoken bits?) > Blue Skin - ?poetry (?instrumental with spoken bits?) > Beam Me Up - mostly spoken ?poetry? (?Rock) > Vega - instrumental > Kenomorph - rock > Journey - instrumental > Sputnik Stan - rock > Kapal - ?poetry - instrumental with spoken bits (Hamlet) > Festivals - ?rock (though it's spoken rather than sung!) > Death Trap - rock > Wastelands - instrumental > Are You Losing Your Mind - ?poetry (spoken) > Space Sex - instrumental > > > Any thoughts? > > jill > > =========================================================================== > J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk > ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > i think that beam me up and are you losing your mind are rock tracks the rest i agree with -mike psyche From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Dec 13 16:48:21 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 16:48:21 -0500 Subject: BS: 3Pak Message-ID: hey, just got the Brain Surgeons 3 Pak today! I first put on Career of Christmas cassette and it was great! I laughed listening to Cities on Flame being done in Spanish! it really fantastic tape and Deb sounds awesome on Baby Ice Dog...I really enjoy this tape... I'm in the process of listening to Trepanation...Stones In My Passway is my favorite so far...these guys got taste, covering Robert Johnson...All Praise! thanx for the goodies AL! ROBO From martinp at INFORAMP.NET Wed Dec 13 17:30:36 1995 From: martinp at INFORAMP.NET (MartinPopoff) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 17:30:36 -0500 Subject: Del Dettmar Message-ID: > > >Del Dettmar has lived in British Columbia, Canada for the last ten years >or so. Yes, that's what I thought. I'm from Trail BC in the interior, the Kootenays, and I've always heard he lived in rural Nelson, B.C. which is the greatest little town in the world. Very hippy and enviro, only 9,000 population, most immortalized by the movie Roxanne, which shows the town alot. I did one year of university there in the early '80s. Apparently Del would surface and do sort of country sets with a couple of the more famous Nelson types at the Queen Street Hotel, kind of duo stuff. Martin Martin Popoff: martinp at inforamp.net Power Chord Press (Riff Kills Man!) P.O. Box 65208, 358 Danforth Ave. Toronto, Ontario M4K 3Z2 From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Wed Dec 13 18:49:35 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 18:49:35 EST Subject: BOC: Satriani and Imaginos Message-ID: Someone said that they believed that Joe Satriani was only involved with the song "Imaginos". I thought I heard that he also played the lightning- fast run somewhere in the middle of "Siege..." somewhat like his guest solo on Spinal Tap's "Break Like The Wind". I remember Al told us all about this some time ago- does anyone have the post archived? If so, now would be a good time to re-post it. To those experiencing BOC tomorrow night: Have fun! You are all extremely lucky. Some of us are only able to see Alanis Morissette where we live (even in the Eastern U.S.). The Alanis show was really decent BTW ;) Brian From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Wed Dec 13 20:34:43 1995 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 20:34:43 -0500 Subject: BOC: german tour dates ? Message-ID: At 02:54 PM 12/13/95 +0000, you wrote: >I wonder if anyone could tell me if there is another chance to see >BOC in germany on their current european tour (I know they were here >from oct,30.-nov,03.). > When I spoke to the band while they were in FL about the Euro tour, they did not mention Germany (Athens, Paris, and London only). Shawn From travsboc at CRL.COM Wed Dec 13 21:40:58 1995 From: travsboc at CRL.COM (S. F. Yee) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 18:40:58 -0800 Subject: Satriani/B.O.C. connection Message-ID: Joe was part of the 7 ("7,7,7") "Guitar Orchestra Of The State of Imaginos" it says here in the credits. Recorded at Alpha & Omega Studios here in Frisko? I believe that is located in the neighborhood downtown aka the "Tenderloin." SF From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Wed Dec 13 23:30:19 1995 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 20:30:19 -0800 Subject: BOC: 12/03/95 Show Review In-Reply-To: <199512120315.WAA25185@ddi.digital.net> Message-ID: Shawn, > At 02:24 PM 12/11/95 -0800, you wrote: > > > >I've had a slightly different experience. Most of the shows I've seen > >them in are around that figure. Joe Bouchard did a gig in Orlando in > >March of 91 (Ithink) as front man for something called the Cult Bros. I > >looked for the then-promised album, but never found it. > > Wow - I was at that show. It was neat talking to Joe Bouchard - however I > was most disappointed once I learned the show advertised by Ticket Master as > BOC was the Cult Brothers. I seem to remember a woman in from the audiance > taking her top off. Yeah, I think a local radio station DJ was trying to get people to do weird things for a CD or some such. I was at a table on the right front row for the opening act, then moved up front. What a great birthday! Have not heard from the Cult Brothers since. I believe > some of the band may be working with Albert. Hopefully the bassist, I thought he was alright. I saw *the* BOC recently at Under the Rail here in Seattle. I was shocked to see EB without the full beard. The Sturgis Bike Week shirt was neat (even if it was some weeks before Bike Week. What a crazy crowd though, punkers and night people everywhere. Quite good, but the crush was pretty strong. A passerby in Times Square From klaatu at NANDO.NET Wed Dec 13 18:27:04 1995 From: klaatu at NANDO.NET (klaatu) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 18:27:04 EST Subject: OF Stu Hamm Message-ID: --- On Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:23:35 -0500 John A Swartz wrote: >I believe that the Linus and Lucy bit is on one of the songs on >Stu's "The Urge" album. I'm currently trying to secure a copy. >I have seen it advertised in cdconnection -- it, along with "Radio >Free Albemuth" are on the "Ruthless" (Ruthless Rhymes?) label, and >"Kings of Sleep" is listed as being on Relativity. > >John Just pulled it out of my CD-Rom before reading this mail. "The Urge" by Stuart Hamm 1991 Relativity 88561-1052-2 special guests: Eric Johnson, Tommy Mars Track # 7 "Quahogs Anyone (119, 120 whatever it takes)" A live Bass Solo recorded Sept. 27,1990 which is built up of: 0:00 Kings of Sleep 1:55 Linus & Lucy Theme 3:01 Neuromancer 4:10 A Country Night in Hell 6:00 (track ends with crowd's applause) "The Urge" plays like a live album although its studio & of excellent recording quality (even the live bits). I HIGHLY Recomend it! All of Stu's work is very good, I'd rate his bass solos as the most refreshing ones since Billy Shehan's Talas days. Anyone who can play Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata or Debussy on electric bass without loosing his Prog./Metal audience deserves a listen. He's no Jeff Berlin, but he's getting close. "Radio Free Albemuth" 1988 Relativity 88561-8209-2 special guests: Allan Holdsworth, Joe Satriani, Tommy Mars Allan & Joe are both on the first track "Radio Free Albemuth" which along with "Flow My Tears..." are inspired by the same named novels of Phillip K. Dick. This Disc reminds me more the fusion jazz of Jeff Berlin with a bit of Allan's I.O.U. thrown in. This album is a MUST have! Even if Stu had turned out to be the biggest looser with this debut offering, Allan's glorious playing meshed with Joe's power chords would have more than made up for it. Somewhere around here I have "Kings of Sleep", its another fine album, but its best to read William Gibson's cyberpunk books first to really see how Stu orchestrated this album to be a soundtrack for the unmade Neuromancer film. "Kings of Sleep" is one of Bill's short stories about a paralyzed woman who becomes this great artist whose dreams are recorded & sold as cyber art. KoS is this one specific dream about driving along the edge of the Cliffs of Dover on a motorcycle at extremely high speed. This would be the perfect future medium for a grand tale like Imaginos. Have These discs gone out of print or something? I could have sworn that I saw all of them still in the stores. - Loucifer From riordan at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU Thu Dec 14 01:10:10 1995 From: riordan at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Phillip A Jaeger) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 00:10:10 -0600 Subject: Godzilla Dies Message-ID: TOHO Pictures just released (inJapan) what they say is the FINAL Godzilla Movie. In this film Godzilla and Junior both DIE! But, WAIT!! TOHO also just announced that they have licensed TRI-STAR to produce the first ever American made Godzilla Movie. Release expected in 97 or 98. Mayhap, someone could suggest a source for the soundtrack. Of, course "there goes Tokyo" may not be appropriate anymore, but I'm sure something could be done. phillip a jaeger ==> riordan at mail.utexas.edu =================================================================== if your circles could be spirals? and your idols were machines? you could pick up all the signals, and fly from where you've been. -Are You Receiving Me? Golden Earring ('73) From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Thu Dec 14 09:38:08 1995 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 09:38:08 U Subject: BOC: London gig / Hi! Message-ID: >> Hi! Only just joined the list, so apologies if this information has been >> given out before - but is anyone bar me going to tonights (13 Dec) gig? >Yes, several of us. We'll be in the "Bull & Gate" (I think that's the >name) pub nearby. Look out for people in "Nethawks" T-shirts, which have >an ME262 beneath a picture of Stonehenge. I may be wearing a sweatshirt >with the words "Big Bear" on the front. See you there. Oh bugger - I left work before I got this - but I'm sure I saw at least one Nethawks shirt. Couple o' points about last night: 1) No-one warned me about Eric's new look! 2) Gig of the year. 'Nuff said. Cheers, Rich. ** The grave of Karl Marx is just another Communist plot ** From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Thu Dec 14 07:16:47 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:16:47 -0100 Subject: Del Dettmar Message-ID: >... Nelson, B.C. which is the >greatest little town in the world. Very hippy and enviro, only 9,000 >population, most immortalized by the movie Roxanne, which shows the town >alot. Ah, that's the place where they have not had irony since 1969? Dan From lindfors at ALGONET.SE Thu Dec 14 07:19:02 1995 From: lindfors at ALGONET.SE (Dan Lindfors) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:19:02 -0100 Subject: BOC: Satriani and Imaginos Message-ID: > Someone said that they believed that Joe Satriani was only involved >with the song "Imaginos". I thought I heard that he also played the lightning- >fast run somewhere in the middle of "Siege..." somewhat like his guest solo >on Spinal Tap's "Break Like The Wind". I remember Al told us all about this >some time ago- does anyone have the post archived? If so, now would be a good >time to re-post it. > Yes, has there been any clear info on this subject?(if that's legal;-) I dont think that Satch played that "Siege"-part, it just doesn't sound like him (a bit too aggressive or something). On the other hand I'm not at all sure that Buck did it (I would have liked to) The "Blue Oyster Cult"- solo, though, is pretty obvious. Or? Dan From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Dec 14 05:57:21 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 05:57:21 -0500 Subject: HW: Codex & Discography Message-ID: The Codex and Discography have now been updated on my Hawkwind pages (thanks Mike/Jill). They are available as both original ASCII and Zipped archives. Grab them from http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/hawkwind/files/ Paul A. Soniqu=E9 -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Thu Dec 14 10:40:33 1995 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 10:40:33 U Subject: Del Dettmar Message-ID: >>... Nelson, B.C. which is the >>greatest little town in the world. Very hippy and enviro, only 9,000 >>population, most immortalized by the movie Roxanne, which shows the town >>alot. >Ah, that's the place where they have not had irony since 1969? Irony. That's a bit like goldy, or silvery, yes? :-) Rich. ** The grave of Karl Marx is just another Communist plot ** From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 14 06:54:02 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:54:02 GMT Subject: HW: Del in Melodic Energy Commision In-Reply-To: Chris Baxley's message of Wed, 13 Dec 1995 12:45:59 -0500 Message-ID: Chris Baxley writes: > I just pulled the following off alt.music.psychedelic. > Might be something to watch out for... > - Chris > > Del Dettmar has lived in British Columbia, Canada for the last ten years > or so. He appeared on two Hawkwind/Floyd/Gongish style albums with the > Melodic Energy Commission from Vancouver in the early 80s. These two > albums are currently being digitally remastered, and should appear on > one CD, repackaged with modified original artwork in the spring or summer > of 1996. I have these plus one of MEC's early tapes called "Synthesis". That one is closer to Mark Shrieve than Gong. FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 14 06:55:55 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:55:55 GMT Subject: Del Dettmar In-Reply-To: Richard Lockwood's message of Thu, 14 Dec 1995 10:40:33 U Message-ID: Richard Lockwood writes: > >>... Nelson, B.C. which is the > >>greatest little town in the world. Very hippy and enviro, only 9,000 > >>population, most immortalized by the movie Roxanne, which shows the town > >>alot. > > >Ah, that's the place where they have not had irony since 1969? > > Irony. That's a bit like goldy, or silvery, yes? This is an example of mercurial wit I guess :-) FoFP From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 14 07:57:16 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 07:57:16 -0500 Subject: BS: 3Pak Message-ID: So ROBO, I guess you're now one person I can no longer harass unmercifully about not picking up the Brain Surgeons' music! ;-) John PS: Just listened to my copy of CoC in the car on the way to work this morning -- very nice indeed. Feliz Navidad - con Rock and Roll! From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Dec 14 08:19:33 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 08:19:33 -0500 Subject: Godzilla Dies Message-ID: >TOHO Pictures just released (inJapan) what they say is the FINAL >Godzilla Movie. In this film Godzilla and Junior both DIE! >Of, course "there goes Tokyo" may not be appropriate anymore, but I'm >sure something could be done. "there goes Orlando" "there goes Mexico" "there goes Laredo" "there goes El Paso" "there goes San Antonio" "there goes Ohio" "there goes Toledo" "there goes Colorado" (Col-rad-o) "there goes Idaho" "there goes Ontario" "there goes Toronto" (they'll probably film it there) uh.... I think I'd better stop before I get to Sarajevo. Glasgow..Soho... Bordeaux..Oslo... (dang syllables are saving Europe) "there goes GOPACO" (Griffin Music is a subsidiary of...) ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Dec 14 08:33:21 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:33:21 +0000 Subject: BOC: London gig / Hi! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 14 Dec 1995 09:38:08 +0800." Message-ID: BOC @ The Forum 13/12/95 Set: ---- Stairway to the Stars Dr. Music OD'd on Life ETI Harvest Moon Before the Kiss... See You in Black Take me Away Flaming Telepaths Cities on Flame Last Days of May In Thee Lips in the Hills Burnin' for You Godzilla Don't Fear the Reaper -- Me262 Red & the Black Comments: --------- BOC basically Rule. Well, OK some details. It seemed more stripped down and less theatric than the last few times I've seen them - no fingercracking mid-solo, or long spoken intros, but they all looked like they were having immense fun, especially Buck. Quite a lot of energy throughout. Mosh activity during the encore, but I'm too much of an old fogey, so I'll let Jason comment on that ;-) Both the new songs went down well, in fact it all went down well, probably since the UK fans were parched and rabid for seeing BOC after such long time. Apart from the beard (looks like he styled it on mine :^) I thought Eric looked like Billy Gibbons, but hey, that was after a few. He was particularly deaf as well - how he didn't hear Jason & I yell repeatedly for Shooting Shark, 7 Screaming D-Bs and Imaginos, I'll never know ... Re: boc-l, managed to rendezvous inthe Bull&Gate with Jason, Dave H & Charles the grinning boy. In the aftermath, Jon Jarrett managed to find me. if anybody else was there, hello. I thought about asking for the list address & a message to be flashed up on the LEDs over the bar, but was too out of it to formulate a successful argument. Eric correctly didn't bullshit us about an album 'in the summer', but he did say howbout a show here in 96. Not holding my breath for that one, but it would be nice. Tim From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Dec 14 08:48:08 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:48:08 +0000 Subject: Satriani/Imaginos/Stu Hamm In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 13 Dec 1995 10:57:13 EST." <9512131057.A12139@sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com> Message-ID: > On Joe Satriani and Imaginos: > Satriani is on "Imaginos", huh? Even if only a bit part... > Well, I guess I'll finally have to purchase a copy of Imaginos. I could be wrong (probably am), but to my ear, the most satriani like bit on Imaginos is Imaginos itself - there's the guitar break about half way through that sounds like it was lifted from Surfin' era Joe. > A similar artist to Satch (but with less fire and more atmosphere) > is Eric Johnson, major releases being "Tones" and "Ah Via Musicom". I aggree wholeheartedly. Cliffs of Dover, Desert Rose & Trademark are awesome. And Eric plays a couple of tracks on Stu Hamm's The Urge. Tim From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 14 08:53:47 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 08:53:47 -0500 Subject: BOC: Satriani and Imaginos Message-ID: Brian asks: > Someone said that they believed that Joe Satriani was only involved with the song "Imaginos". I thought I heard that he also played the lightning- fast run somewhere in the middle of "Siege..." somewhat like his guest solo on Spinal Tap's "Break Like The Wind". I remember Al told us all about this some time ago- does anyone have the post archived? If so, now would be a good time to re-post it. I don't have it "on-line" anymore - but I'm looking over my printed copy as I write this. No mention in here of Joe Satriani. Not to say he didn't do it, but it isn't listed in what Albert posted about the various parts (and he admitted in there that there were parts that he wasn't sure who did what). Just to add, the liner notes (which as we know contain errors and omissions) indicate that Joe Satriani is part of "The Guitar Orchestra of The State of Imaginos" -- this is the statement that led me to believe that Joe only plays on the song "Imaginos" - but, perhaps that assumption is not correct. John From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Thu Dec 14 09:17:57 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 14:17:57 +0000 Subject: BOC: London gig / Hi! In-Reply-To: <2711.9512141333@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> from "bart" at Dec 14, 95 01:33:21 pm Message-ID: > -- > Me262 > Red & the Black + Dominance & Submission. What a gig. It really was excellent for Blue Oyster Cult to come all the way from the USA just to play at my birthday party! Nice to meet all the BOC-L bunch (cheers for the beers lads!). Beers a plenty which nicely followed up some excessive drinking at lunchtime (a power cut at work helped wonderfully in this respect!). Some thoughts on the gig: visually, BOC surprised me. I haven't seen them live before (and only on video once - the 1976 vid). I wasn't expecting Buck without moustache. He looked a lot better without and looked in excellent shape. Eric looked a lot like Tim what with the nasty goatee, but for my money, I figure they are both looking like Geoff Tate from Queensryche. The rest of the band were somewhat anonymous although Allan was up and about playing guitar alot. Buck was playing his usual Steingberg (in Black) and Eric was playing a red guitar with an upward pointing headstock. Anyone know what this is (a Charvel?). Audience was fairly young - a lot of people in their mid twenties. Very enthusiastic, excellent responses to the songs (including the new ones) and as Tim says, very keen because BOC haven't been here for a few years. Towards the encore, a pit developed below Eric (ie. to the left of the stage) which I dived enthusiatically into. Only one crowd surf but lots of jumping around, pushing and shoving and general mosh pit violence. Wonderful stuff. I'm not really 25 now you know!! Charlie (Mr. The Grinning Boy!) got himself involved towards the end as well. Well done lad! Setlist. Pretty good. Apart from obvious (ignored) requests from yours truely and Tim for lots of songs with 7 in them, Shooting Sharks, Frankenstein and Power Underneath Dispair, there wasn't much to fault. The whole show was very tight, never letting up the pace or energy and was most satisfying. The solos were largely based on the studio recordings, but Buck really went for it during Last Days... - this was something else. Contrary to Tim's report, Buck did a bit of finger cracking during Cities On Flame, but only of the 'put fingers together and stretch arms downwards variety'. Some Workshop T shirts on sale at the show, but at 14 quid... Behave! Besides I was skint after a rather expensive round at lunchtime. Eric and the bassist (Danny?) were wearing different Workshop t-shirts. These were the ones with the sphinx on the box logo just in the corner and looked better than the ones on sale. Wouldn't mind one of these. All in all, a most excellent evening. Nice to meet Charlie, Dave and Tim and a quick hi to John Jarrett who turned up at the end and I could only wave to before having to go and get the train back home. However, at least trains back to my gaff were still running. Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Dec 14 10:31:52 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 10:31:52 -0500 Subject: BS: 3Pak Message-ID: In a message dated 95-12-14 08:02:49 EST, you write: >So ROBO, I guess you're now one person I can no longer harass >unmercifully about not picking up the Brain Surgeons' music! ;-) > >John well , I knew that there was gonna be a special offer...so I held off : } > >PS: Just listened to my copy of CoC in the car on the way to work >this morning -- very nice indeed. Feliz Navidad - con Rock and Roll! > oh, is that how you spell it? I thought it was Faleece novi dah # } well, I've given both these discs so far at least one spin...anyone else find Eponymous and Trepanation to be like night and day? ROBO NP: Nirvana "Lithium" Kurt Cobain and Michael Stipe made a bet as to who could sing "yeah" the most in one song...Michael Stipe won the bet with REM's "Man On the Moon" sayin "yeah" 70+ times From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Dec 14 10:31:59 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 10:31:59 -0500 Subject: BOC: London gig / T shirts Message-ID: In a message dated 95-12-14 09:35:51 EST, you write: >The rest of the band were somewhat anonymous although Allan was up and about >playing guitar alot. Buck was playing his usual Steingberg (in Black) and >Eric was playing a red guitar with an upward pointing headstock. Anyone >know what this is (a Charvel?). Eric plays an ESP, with the Alien decal on it...I wonder if he uses the glow-in-the-dark alien picks... Allen plays a Kramer... ROBO plays a Fender Strat : } >Some Workshop T shirts on sale at the show, but at 14 quid... Behave! Besides >I was skint after a rather expensive round at lunchtime. Eric and the bassist >(Danny?) were wearing different Workshop t-shirts. These were the ones with >the sphinx on the box logo just in the corner and looked better than the >ones on sale. Wouldn't mind one of these. >Jason are these the "On Tour, On Line" t-shirts? w/ the Reaper on the back looking into a computer monitor? how much is 14 quid in American dollars? I bought the online T for $20, and the shirt was an XL but it was cut like a L...Eric said he was gonna get a few XXL, so anyone interested in buying these should go with the XX if your normally an XL... EB also said that the NEW tour shirt will be available sometime this month...so I am wondering if this is the new tour shirt... AND, ANOTHER shirt will be available soon....right now there is a vote on AOL as to which design the next shirt will be: the BOC album cover design or the Tyranny and Mutation album cover design...eventually, I would like both, but voted for the BOC album cover...I think the OysterBoys have found the "new media" to be quite the marketing place for BOC apparrel : } ROBO how bout the BOC umbrella? From bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK Thu Dec 14 10:39:19 1995 From: bart at AEOLIANS.BT.CO.UK (bart) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 15:39:19 +0000 Subject: BOC: London gig / Hi! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 14 Dec 1995 14:17:57 GMT." <9512141418.aa18538@madge1.dev.madge.com> Message-ID: > Eric looked a lot like Tim what with the nasty goatee, but for my money, I > figure they are both looking like Geoff Tate from Queensryche. Yeah, but I could only hit those high notes with the help (or threat) of a pair of pliers ;-) "Walking in the Shaaa-dowwwws" hmm, no. > The rest of the band were somewhat anonymous although Allan was up and about > playing guitar alot. Buck was playing his usual Steingberg (in Black) and > Eric was playing a red guitar with an upward pointing headstock. Anyone > know what this is (a Charvel?). Eric & Allen both played ESPs. > The whole show was very > tight, never letting up the pace or energy and was most satisfying. The solos > were largely based on the studio recordings, but Buck really went for it during > Last Days... - this was something else. Yeah. I thought overall Buck was a tad low in the mix though. I just pulled up my review of the gig in 92, that set being - Stairway.., Dom/Sub, B4 the Kiss, ETI, Flaming Telepaths, Horsemen, Take me Away, Astronomy, Demon Kiss, Cities, Still Burnin, Black Blade, Harvester of, Harvest Moon, Burning 4 U, Godzilla, Reaper, OD'd, Red&Black clocking at 2hrs 10min. (last night was ~ 1hr 50) Difficult to say which was the better - maybe drop Dr. M for Harvester or something truly out of the ordinary, but very cool to see In Thee & Lips though. But hey, thats the eternal argument ain't it. Wouldn't we all still be happy if they ditched the perennial favourites for a truly eclectic set. Aren't they convinced it would work ? Tim From halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU Thu Dec 14 11:10:05 1995 From: halligbt at BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU (BRIAN THOMAS HALLIGAN) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:10:05 EST Subject: BOC: Satriani and Imaginos Message-ID: I guess I must have been hallucinating about Joe in "Seige...". Oh well, a guy can dream can't he? I'll have to give the CD another listen, especially to "Imaginos". Maybe Aldo Nova did that fast run in "Seige"? Hmmm... Brian From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Dec 14 11:11:40 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:11:40 -0500 Subject: BOC: London gig / T shirts Message-ID: >how bout the BOC umbrella? You mean with the Kronos logo worked into the handle on the umbrella? That would be cool, though the sidebars might get into the way. Sort of...(switching to a monospaced font): __________ __/ / || \ \__ / / | || | \ \ || || +-++-+ +-++-+ || \\ \\_|| \__/ (well, the canopy isn't to scale... I'd buy one...) ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Thu Dec 14 11:13:22 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:13:22 +0000 Subject: BOC: London gig / T shirts In-Reply-To: <951214103158_90044565@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "Rob Maerz" at Dec 14, 95 10:31:59 am Message-ID: > Eric plays an ESP, with the Alien decal on it...I wonder if he uses the > glow-in-the-dark alien picks... Yes, that was the one. > ROBO plays a Fender Strat : } Jason plays a Squire Strat (loudly!) > are these the "On Tour, On Line" t-shirts? w/ the Reaper on the back looking > into a computer monitor? how much is 14 quid in American dollars? I bought > the online T for $20, and the shirt was an XL but it was cut like a L...Eric > said he was gonna get a few XXL, so anyone interested in buying these should > go with the XX if your normally an XL... I don't know. I didn't look closely enough. Is it just me or are all tour t-shirts far too large? Now, I'm not the slimest person, but the XL t-shirts that you get always tend to be a size and half too large. Most of them are dangerously close to reaching my knees (and I'm not short!) I'd far rather see a few L t-shirts. The only ones at the show seemed to be Workshop of the Telescope style shirts. > AND, ANOTHER shirt will be available soon....right now there is a vote on AOL > as to which design the next shirt will be: the BOC album cover design or the > Tyranny and Mutation album cover design...eventually, I would like both, but > voted for the BOC album cover...I think the OysterBoys have found the "new > media" to be quite the marketing place for BOC apparrel : } T&M shirt please. Jason ps. Tim's Nethawks shirt looked pretty good. pps. Couple of things I've just remembered about last night's gig - we got the obligitory drum and (monster) bass solo. It has to be said that the drummer (O'Riley?) was somewhat less of a drum machines that he is supposed to have been on the last Rainbow album. Don't remember much about Danny's solo, but it was short so that's okay (I've been somewhat spoilt by Stu Hamm on Sunday!) -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Thu Dec 14 11:27:08 1995 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 08:27:08 -0800 Subject: Satriani/B.O.C. connection Message-ID: >Joe was part of the 7 ("7,7,7") "Guitar Orchestra Of The State of >Imaginos" it says here in the credits. Recorded at Alpha & Omega Studios >here in Frisko? I believe that is located in the neighborhood downtown aka >the "Tenderloin." I have read an interview in 'Guitar for the Practicing Musician' with Joe S. He was asked about this and said that he had been buried so deeply in the mix that he couldn't hear himself. He was somewhat annoyed and asked why they asked him to play if they didn't want him to be heard on the album. "Act like a dumbshit and they'll treat you as an equal." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Thu Dec 14 11:33:11 1995 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 08:33:11 -0800 Subject: Godzilla Dies Message-ID: >TOHO Pictures just released (inJapan) what they say is the FINAL >Godzilla Movie. In this film Godzilla and Junior both DIE! > >But, WAIT!! > >TOHO also just announced that they have licensed TRI-STAR to produce >the first ever American made Godzilla Movie. Release expected in 97 or 98. > >Mayhap, someone could suggest a source for the soundtrack. > >Of, course "there goes Tokyo" may not be appropriate anymore, but I'm >sure something could be done. I read in "Mel's Godzilla Home Page" that Godzilla will be succeded by his son, who has after all been knocking about for a few years now. "Act like a dumbshit and they'll treat you as an equal." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Thu Dec 14 11:34:37 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:34:37 -0500 Subject: BOC: T Shirts In-Reply-To: <9512141613.aa25202@madge1.dev.madge.com> from "Jason O'Broin" at Dec 14, 95 04:13:22 pm Message-ID: > > Is it just me or are all tour t-shirts far too large? Now, I'm not the slimest > person, but the XL t-shirts that you get always tend to be a size and half > too large. Most of them are dangerously close to reaching my knees (and I'm > not short!) I'd far rather see a few L t-shirts. > Well, in many cases, there is the "OSFA" size offered as the only choice. Fine for me, as it is a little bigger than an XL, but I could imagine my wife in one; put a belt onnit and it would be a midi-dress... You can always wash it in hot water and shrink it up a bit (yeah, that's whats been happening to all my clothes, hot water, yeah, that's it!) > The only ones at the show seemed to be Workshop of the Telescope style shirts. > > > AND, ANOTHER shirt will be available soon....right now there is a vote on AOL > > as to which design the next shirt will be: the BOC album cover design or the > > Tyranny and Mutation album cover design...eventually, I would like both, but > > voted for the BOC album cover...I think the OysterBoys have found the "new > > media" to be quite the marketing place for BOC apparrel : } > > T&M shirt please. > I have a t-shirt from the '76 or '78 tour that has the BOC album cover on the front and Kronos symbol on the back. Dosen't fit me any more... And I think the T&M has been done already (seems that there is a picture of Dave Brock wearing one, if memory serves. I know that I have seen one somewhere...) -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From rhame at CTP.COM Thu Dec 14 11:29:08 1995 From: rhame at CTP.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:29:08 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons meet the MIS department! Message-ID: Hi Folks, Got my Career of Christmas package on Tuesday. Having never heard the 'Surgeons before I quickly popped it into my car stereo and headed for work where I was doing a late night system upgrade. We quickly stuck Eponymous into our Win '95 CD player (finally proving that Win '95 is good for something) and put it on repeat, listening non-stop from 9 PM to 2:30 AM!! Everybody (including me) loved it! I'll definately be bringing friends to the Mamakin show. Tonight, another late night, so here comes Trepanation! My faves so far: The Brain from Terra Incognita and Name Your Monster. The Brain, amongst a couple of others, reminds me of the Chili Peppers with a female singer. Rich -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Rich Hamel ! ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! I hear the music, daylight disk. ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! Three men in black said "Don't ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! report this". ! ! (617)-374-8266 ! ! ! rhame at ctp.com ! "Ascension!" that's all they said. ! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 14 11:39:14 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:39:14 -0500 Subject: BOC: London gig / T shirts Message-ID: >AND, ANOTHER shirt will be available soon... Well, this is cool, but BOC needs to get outta the t-shirt business and back to the MUSIC makin' business -- I'd trade in every BOC t-shirt I got for a CD with the new material . . . John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Thu Dec 14 13:43:10 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:43:10 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons meet the MIS department! Message-ID: Rich writes: > My faves so far: The Brain from Terra Incognita and Name Your Monster. The Brain, amongst a couple of others, reminds me of the Chili Peppers with a female singer. Funny you should mention "Brain From Terra Incognita" -- that one probably got the worst response from people who listened to it. In fact, I think Al even went so far as to apologizing for it. Personally, I think it's cool, and shows off the variety of musical styles that the Brain Surgeons can do. Not one of my faves though. Now, "Name Your Monster" on the other hand, is perhaps my favorite Brain Surgeons' tune (they open most of their live shows with it). See ya at Mamakin, John From gary at Z-CODE.NCD.COM Thu Dec 14 13:35:16 1995 From: gary at Z-CODE.NCD.COM (Gary Wingert) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 10:35:16 -0800 Subject: Godzilla Dies In-Reply-To: Phillip A Jaeger "Godzilla Dies" (Dec 14, 0:10) Message-ID: On 14.Dec, riordan wrote re: "Godzilla Dies" riordan> TOHO Pictures just released (inJapan) what they say is the riordan> FINAL Godzilla Movie. In this film Godzilla and Junior riordan> both DIE! Nat'l Public Radio aired a review of it yesterday, from an American in Japan. He said it was one of the wierdest movies he's ever seen. He didn't believe Godzilla is gone for good. It's kinda like killing Superman. Nobody has been paying much attention to Godzilla movies for awhile, so they needed something to generate some megayen. Anyway, as NPR always does, they sequed from that review to their next story with a song - BOC's "Godzilla", natch. From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Thu Dec 14 14:01:41 1995 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:01:41 -0600 Subject: Godzilla Dies In-Reply-To: <199512141319.IAA04705@grumpy.magg.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Dec 1995, Andrew A. Apold wrote: > >Of, course "there goes Tokyo" may not be appropriate anymore, but I'm > >sure something could be done. > "there goes Orlando" > "there goes Mexico" > "there goes Laredo" > "there goes El Paso" > "there goes San Antonio" > "there goes Ohio" > "there goes Toledo" > "there goes Colorado" (Col-rad-o) > "there goes Idaho" > "there goes Ontario" > "there goes Toronto" (they'll probably film it there) Um, "Oklahoma City where are... (whatever that lyric is from Damnation Alley)"... Damon Capehart | UTD Student Govt. Assoc., Communications Committee; dcapehar at utdallas.edu | Society of Physics Students From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 14 14:52:03 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 19:52:03 GMT Subject: HW: Rumours on the edge of time .... In-Reply-To: Paul G Ward's message of Wed, 13 Dec 1995 06:46:20 -0500 Message-ID: > Other things relating to SS: > > He has apparently given Knut Gerwer (the guy in Berlin doing the > Calvert video project) a heap of information about Bob during the > Hawklord era, and assisted in locating some 'lost' footage of some > Hawklord's jam sessions ..... but Knut is waiting for Doug Smith to > come to some agreement, as he apparently has the tape in his > possession at the moment. > sigh - I just heard a raven croak I've been in touch with Knut recently while exchanging a few things. Apparently he has an actress friend in New York who worked with Calvert on one of his plays "Test Tube Baby of Mine". Aparently she wants to re-stage this sometime - starting in New York and then possibly bringing it across to Europe and the UK. If I hear anything further about this I'll let folk know! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG Thu Dec 14 15:02:48 1995 From: FURSTD at BOYSTOWN.ORG (DAVID FURST) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 14:02:48 CST Subject: off-topic - L. Meckennet Message-ID: Just a quick fishing expedition - this Loreena McKennet (i think) artist - Any good? Had one in my hand but then put it back down having never heard a thing. Dr. Mr. Boy From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Dec 14 15:27:48 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 15:27:48 -0500 Subject: off-topic - L. Meckennet In-Reply-To: <17369@BoysTown.ORG> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Dec 1995, DAVID FURST wrote: > Just a quick fishing expedition - this Loreena McKennet (i think) artist - Any > good? Had one in my hand but then put it back down having never heard a thing. > Dr. Mr. Boy I like Loreena McKennitt, but I Blame that on someone else. I have _The Visit_, which includes the fabulous "All Souls Night," amongst others. Since you haven't heard a thing by her, I'd best explain that she is a Canadian harpist who sings (and plays) largely celtic-inspired folk music. Her most recent album (_The Mask and the Mirror_, to my knowledge) takes in more diverse musical sources, adding indian and moorish elements, for example. She has a cracking voice! Cheers, Paul. e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. "Uzis rip through flesh, then it's time to chow down..." --- S.O.D. From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Dec 14 13:05:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 10:05:00 PST Subject: Off: Stu Hamm/Gary Hoey/Directory Message-ID: Good morning all. An updated directory will be posted shortly before the holidays, as there appear to be a few new members on the list if you care to be included please provide me directly with information in the following format: Name: Handle: (if you wish to sign posts with other than your real name) Age: E-mail address: Primary Band: Either BOC or HW (this designation is used to segragate the list.) Info can be sent to AB @ ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM. Notes: Gary Hoey's Linus and Lucy is nothing short of phenomenal. Would be interesting to hear his version and Hamm version mixed together. Jean in NM, thanks for the note. I have never found a way to see who made a particular post. It may be possible under MS Mail but I sure don't know how to do it. Thanks. RR: Sounds exciting. Haven't seen anything yet but will verify receipt. Thanks. John S. Welcome back. Hope you had a nice trip. Hope everyone in London enjoyed the show. AB (SIE/T) BTW, check out Gary Hoey's take on 'Linus.." on his 'Endless Summer II' soundtrack. The whole record's amazing. theo From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Thu Dec 14 17:59:50 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 22:59:50 +0000 Subject: back in the uss ...a Message-ID: Wow. Back in the States. IMmediately rushed to the crates of CDs to listen to "Time is gonna take care of YOUUUUUUU!" :) Then rushed to the guitar--it and the CDs _will_ come back to England! My email access is somewhat limted at the moment, but I probably won't sign off until just the week around Christmas when I won't have even limited access. Will be up in Boston this Saturday and part of Sunday--actually Friday evening as well (Redbones for dinner Friday night :) Alas, am still unable to make the Surgeons on the 22nd, but There's some chance that Tania and I will be coming up thru NY and Boston around or just after New Years, so perhaps we'll see some list folk sometime ... :) Must go jam some more and listen to the Surgeons :) Cheers, Carl From delacour at UNM.EDU Thu Dec 14 18:22:33 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:22:33 -0700 Subject: BOC: german tour dates ? In-Reply-To: <199512140134.UAA28339@ddi.digital.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Dec 1995, Shawn Quinn wrote: > At 02:54 PM 12/13/95 +0000, you wrote: > >I wonder if anyone could tell me if there is another chance to see > >BOC in germany on their current european tour (I know they were here > >from oct,30.-nov,03.). > > > > When I spoke to the band while they were in FL about the Euro tour, they did > not mention Germany (Athens, Paris, and London only). > > Shawn > Spoke to George Geranios (sound tech) on Oct 14th in NM. He stated that the European Tour was cancelled and that only the forementioned four shows would take place (taking place right now, actually). Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Thu Dec 14 19:09:43 1995 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 19:09:43 -0500 Subject: BOC: London gig / Hi! Message-ID: >The rest of the band were somewhat anonymous although Allan was up and about >playing guitar alot. Buck was playing his usual Steingberg (in Black) and >Eric was playing a red guitar with an upward pointing headstock. Anyone >know what this is (a Charvel?). I believe its the Alien from 'Alien Autopsy'. From gumby at PRIMENET.COM Thu Dec 14 19:20:27 1995 From: gumby at PRIMENET.COM (Thomas Nelson) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 17:20:27 -0700 Subject: Godzilla Dies Message-ID: >TOHO Pictures just released (inJapan) what they say is the FINAL >Godzilla Movie. In this film Godzilla and Junior both DIE! > >TOHO also just announced that they have licensed TRI-STAR to produce >the first ever American made Godzilla Movie. Release expected in 97 or 98. > >phillip a jaeger ==> riordan at mail.utexas.edu Just to add a little more: The Tri-Star deal has actually been running for a couple of years now. Originally they signed the director of _Speed_ (name escapes me), but he decided he didn't want to do the project. Gojira fans seem skeptical about the treatment Godzilla might receivel. The new film is showing a trailer of a new Mothra film to be released next year. It is to be a remake of Mothra's origin. Finally, Gamera also has a new movie coming out in Japan. It is entitled _Gamera 2_, a sequel to the film from last year. I know this really isn't BOC related, but "hey," didn't Buck record "Gamera?" Hasta. The Gumby Man (OK...so I was gone for a while. I was sick and now I'm better.) ---------------------------------------- gumby at primenet.com "In my tortured ears there sounds unceasingly a nightmare whirring and flapping..." H.P. Lovecraft ("The Hound," 1924) ---------------------------------------- From skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM Thu Dec 14 20:21:59 1995 From: skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM (Skip Galvin) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 17:21:59 -0800 Subject: BOC: At Under the Rail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: " I saw *the* BOC recently at Under the Rail here in Seattle. I was shocked to see EB without the full beard. The Sturgis Bike Week shirt was neat (even if it was some weeks before Bike Week. What a crazy crowd though, punkers and night people everywhere. Quite good, but the crush was pretty strong. Hi, I live in Seattle and was wondering if you are refering to the show in September of '94. That's the last time they've played this area, right? Or are you refering to a more recent date? Curious, Skip From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Dec 15 01:21:00 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 01:21:00 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons meet the MIS department! Message-ID: People complaining about "Brain From Terra In Cog"?? Darn, that sure is one of my faves... Others are "Mad Dude" (very FUN song), "Love Potion #9", "I Play The Drums" and "Big Bang Theory". Chuck From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri Dec 15 09:40:55 1995 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 09:40:55 U Subject: Godzilla Dies Message-ID: >Finally, Gamera also has a new movie coming out in Japan. It is entitled >_Gamera 2_, a sequel to the film from last year. >I know this really isn't BOC related, but "hey," didn't Buck record "Gamera?" Yip. Gamera is Missing - I've got it on Guitar for Practicing Musicians (or some other rather sad title), along with an outstandingly silly version of Born To Be Wild by Leslie West, which comes "highly recommended". NOT! Cheers, Rich. ** The grave of Karl Marx is just another Communist plot ** From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Fri Dec 15 07:38:53 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 12:38:53 +0000 Subject: Nethawk tshirts received? -Reply Message-ID: uh, sorry 'bout the delay; sunrise, wrong side of another year aetc.. yeah, got mine, thank you very mush indeed. also: anyone see university challenge this week (look, it just happened to be on)? well, the music round was something like this PAXMAN: yeeeeees, okay teams, i want you to give the chemical symbols for the elements mentioned in th following song titles, [horrible stringy wank] SPOTTY STUDENT #1 uh, is it AU (or whatever, like i can remember), PAXPERSON: nyeeeeeeeeees, gold by spandau ballert [BLANGABLANGABLANGABLANGAGROWLGRUNTGRRUURRRBLAN GABLANGAetc] SS#2 ohdear, is it,erm, oh i don't know, boohoo PAXBRITTANIA: no no, you thick little git, it's FE, iron fist by MOTORHEAD OF COURSE [BLANGABLANGABLA(shhwooooee)NGABLANGABLAN(eeeyyiissshhhee eooo)GABLANGABLANGAetc] ENTIRE STUDIO: I'VE GO-RRA SILVA MASHEEN okay, so some of this is not entirely accurate, but, yeah, the hawks and mhead on uni challenge (and it was some cambridge college who didn't recognise iron fist, what do they teach 'em?) ygafw ObLp: From Whales to Jupiter And Beyond The Stars To Rainbohemia - MOONFLOWERS (grooviness beyond something or other: check out the COLOSSAL 'Ug' and the EVEN BIGGER 'Share Your Food'. Mmmmm, Yes Please) From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Dec 15 08:01:51 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 08:01:51 -0500 Subject: Nethawk tshirts received? -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Dec 1995, Yuri Gagarin wrote: > okay, so some of this is not entirely accurate, but, yeah, the hawks and > mhead on uni challenge (and it was some cambridge college who didn't > recognise iron fist, what do they teach 'em?) I see that Carl has his work cut out for him... Cheers, Paul. obCD: Nikwind, _Space Ritual '94_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Dec 15 08:46:05 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 13:46:05 GMT Subject: HW: In Loaded Message-ID: UK people might be interested to know that there is a half page article on the all-nighter in this months Loaded magazine, it's on page 174 under the headline "Space Pensioners". Unfortunately it's in a bag this week so you won't be able to read it in the newsagents. bye - Rob From etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE Fri Dec 15 09:01:00 1995 From: etlrbsy at ETLXDMX.ERICSSON.SE (Rob S) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 14:01:00 GMT Subject: HW: in Loaded Message-ID: Hmmm, on second thoughts you may not be that interested as it's just an excuse to slag off hippies. Here is what they call "Hawkwind's LP sounds of the 70's":- '71 In Search of Space '72 Doremi Fasol Latido - After a long search they find out 'Space is Deep'. '73 Space Ritual - Paranoia sets in, with Lemmy screaming 'Sonic Attack'. '74 Hall of the Mountain Grill - Space is now so deep that 'Psychedlic Warlords Disappear in Smoke' '75 Warrior on the Edge of Time - Success! they discover 'Spiral Galaxy 28948' and the amphetamine anthem 'Kings of Speed' '76 Astounding Sounds And Amazing Music - They bring it down to Earth with 'The Aubergine That Ate Rangoon' '77 Quark, Strangeness and Charm - Giving up on space entirely, Hawkwind celebrate 'Days of the Underground' bye - Rob From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Dec 15 09:22:04 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 09:22:04 -0500 Subject: BS: 3Pak In-Reply-To: <951214103151_90044472@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "Rob Maerz" at Dec 14, 95 10:31:52 am Message-ID: Rob Maerz writes: > > well, I've given both these discs so far at least one spin...anyone else find > Eponymous and Trepanation to be like night and day? Eponymous was basically just Al, multi-tracking like a madman. Trepanation has that whole-rock-band sound to it. Lurking Girl put it best, I think, when she pointed out that Trepanation has the same kind of restless, aggressive energy as Al's early work with BOC. Steve From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Dec 15 09:31:11 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 09:31:11 -0500 Subject: OFF: Loreena McKennitt In-Reply-To: <17369@BoysTown.ORG> from "DAVID FURST" at Dec 14, 95 02:02:48 pm Message-ID: DAVID FURST writes: > > Just a quick fishing expedition - this Loreena McKennet (i think) artist - Any > good? Had one in my hand but then put it back down having never heard a thing. Depends what you mean by good. She's a Celtic/folk artist, and is also much beloved by new age and ambient music types. If you like Enya, you'll probably like L.M. (Her music is somewhat quiet and moody, as opposed to more rousing Celtic/folk music, say for example The Pogues.) ;-) Personally, except for her album _The Visit_ (which has the extraordinary song All Soul's Night), I find her rather a tad too subdued. Steve From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Fri Dec 15 16:25:08 1995 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 13:25:08 -0800 Subject: BOC: T Shirts In-Reply-To: <9512141634.AA29118@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> Message-ID: > > > I have a t-shirt from the '76 or '78 tour that has the BOC album cover > on the front and Kronos symbol on the back. Dosen't fit me any more... > And I think the T&M has been done already (seems that there is a picture > of Dave Brock wearing one, if memory serves. I know that I have seen one > somewhere...) Yes, they used it on the tour that ran through late 92-early 93, have T&M on front and inner jacket art on back, with superimposed BOC - On Tour Forever! Quite the dressy threads. > From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Fri Dec 15 16:27:11 1995 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 13:27:11 -0800 Subject: BOC: At Under the Rail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Dec 1995, Skip Galvin wrote: > " I saw *the* BOC recently at Under the Rail here in Seattle. > I was shocked to see EB without the full beard. The Sturgis Bike Week > shirt was neat (even if it was some weeks before Bike Week. What a crazy > crowd though, punkers and night people everywhere. Quite good, but the > crush was pretty strong. > > Hi, I live in Seattle and was wondering if you are refering to > the show in September of '94. That's the last time they've played > this area, right? Or are you refering to a more recent date? > > Curious, > Skip > Yep, that is the one. Were you there? From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Fri Dec 15 13:21:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 13:21:00 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons stuff Message-ID: Kids: >Funny you should mention "Brain From Terra Incognita" -- that one >probably got the worst response from people who listened to it. In >fact, I think Al even went so far as to apologizing for it. Did someone just say the Albert APOLOGIZED for "The Brain from Terra Incognita"????? This is easily one of my faves from Epo!! You gotta admit the "destruction, oblivion..." part has hooks hooks HOOKS! Albert, for shame, you should NEVER offer an apology for artistic vision. Every time I hear this song though, all I can picture is "The Brain" from Pinky & the Brain. And since we are on the subject of Al, did anyone else pick up on how much different Al sounds than from the BOC days? I mean, you can tell it's him for sure, but he sounds much more evil and menacing these days. Take "Mad Dude" for instance. Just the "murdering maggots, murdering frogs" bit sends chills down my spine. If they ever make an cartoon about Satan, I for one vote for Albert to be the voice. How about Career of X-mas II for 1996, with Albert doing a rocking version of "You're a mean one Mr., Grinch." And ROBO sez: >well, I've given both these discs so far at least one spin...anyone >else find Eponymous and Trepanation to be like night and day? Night & Day? More like twilight and twilight. In my opinion, they sound the same, that is to say that, even though no two BS songs really sound that much similar, these 2 CDs could have been jumbled and released as a 2 CD set and I think each song would have fit perfectly with the others. About the only song that sounds even a wee bit out of place is maybe Love Potion #9. That's the beauty of the surgeons, when a song like Love Potion #9 ends, about the last thing you might expect is something like Mad Dude. A thrill around every corner, yessiree. Torgo's outta here.... Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com "Christmas TIME, Free your MIND, let LOVE-un-WIND!" -Santa Klaws From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Fri Dec 15 17:41:48 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 17:41:48 -0500 Subject: OFF: Djam Karet - Kafkas Breakfast Message-ID: Sorry, no BOC/HW content; still, Djam Karet is one of the great independent prog bands in America today... Just noticed Ranjit carrying a new Djam Karet cassette titled "Kafka's Breakfast". Does anybody have any information on this release, such as songlist, history, or type of music, etc.etc.? Ranjit is listing it for US$9.95. I have been a big Djam Karet fan for more than a year now. I've picked up all 5 of their CDs (highly recommended: 'Burning the Hard City') and the Gardner & Gayle solo spin-off (not as good). The sound on the first 3 releases is basically guitar-driven instrumentals, lots of soloing, with most songs in the 5 - 10 minute range. Pretty stoney stuff at times. The latest two releases drift into the completely ambient realm, however - a significant departure. Any info on the new (?) release, or on live Djam Karet tapes, or anything else related to this band, please feel free to respond. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObDjam-Jam: "Ten Days to the Sand" from 'Burning the Hard City'. From mordru at MAGG.NET Fri Dec 15 20:17:28 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 20:17:28 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind "Warrior On" or "Warrior At"? Message-ID: Just picked up "Warrior" (dojo CD version), think it sounds great, but was confused at the wording on the CD. The front cover of the CD has the title of the band, and "Warrior On The Edge Of Time". The spine of the CD, however, says "Warrior At The Edge Of Time". The back says "On", as does the printing on the disc itself, but inside the sleve notes it starts mentioning the price for vinyl copies of "Warrior At"... The notes go on to mention that "Warrior On" reached no. 13 in the UK, and says "Warrior On" confirms Hawkwind's place in the "rock-n-roll hall of fame" (was this a vision?); but two paragraphs down it talks about an unusal aspect of "Warrior At"... I know this question isn't very deep; but this is killing me. Which is the correct name of the album? Does one refer to the vinyl and the other a later release? Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Sat Dec 16 05:47:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:47:00 GMT Subject: Hawkwind "Warrior On" or "Warrior At"? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199512160117.UAA27165 at grumpy.magg.net> No, it's "on" - the "at" is a traditional Hawkwind typographical cock-up. Why, on my old vinyl you have tracks called "Magno" and "The Demented King" (according the the centre label, anyway). (Ouais, je suis revenu de Maroc... Dommage a rater le spectacle BOC a Londres, but, baby, that's the breaks... And that's what a week of speaking nothing but French does for you :) - Andy From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sat Dec 16 11:57:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 11:57:00 -0500 Subject: Space Rock NYE Message-ID: Just a show I wanted to let the US Space Rock community know about: Dec 31st at the Fantasy in Cleveland the floowing show will occur: F/i from Milwaukee headlines Alien Planetscapes from NYC and special guests (possible past members of HW) Light show by Liquid Louise and Wizard Stu There will be a Hawkwind poster exhibit and memorabilia display. Doors are at 8:30 and tickets are $7 at the door. Scott ObCassette: Bevis Frond- Boat house, Cambridge uk 11/28/95 From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sat Dec 16 11:58:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 11:58:00 -0500 Subject: Kadu Flyer Message-ID: The next Kadu Flyer will be on the way soon. Expect postcards asking for a number 10 envelope and two stamps (SASE). If you are not on the mailing list, send your envelope and two stamps to: Kadu Flyer 4 University Road #303 Cambridge, MA 02138 Scott ObCassette: Brain Surgeons- Career of Christmas con Rock y Roll From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Sat Dec 16 17:19:12 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:19:12 -0500 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Xenon Codex Message-ID: >>>>>> I think Huw left 'cuase he reckoned he'd be a cool solo artist (oops!) or was just tired of the band. <<<<< huw did an interview in nick salomon's ptolmaic terrascope magazine a couple of years ago.i no longer have it,but if i remember correctly, he left because he couldn't get by on the money he was making,and apparently had some pretty hard feelings for brock,who,according to HLL,was trying to hard to control the band and everyone in it. i have no oppinion on the matter,as i lack any real information. rj From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Dec 16 19:52:00 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 19:52:00 -0500 Subject: Kadu Flyer Message-ID: Does this mean that Kadu Flyer is essentially free?? (Other than the SASE?) And what is a # 10 envelope? Thanks. Chuck From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sun Dec 17 10:20:50 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:20:50 +0100 Subject: HW: Nordik Nikwind Event Message-ID: hi folks, just returned from this years prime event in Sweden - the Nik Turner and darXtar gig in Jonkoping. only one thing to say: one helluva night!. two hours space rock complete with dancers and fire eaters... only old hawk classics, added with a few moorcock poems. listen to the tape right now, and it seems to be an 8+.("The Great Sun Jester" now - a BOC-link) time for Henrik to contine his long journey home - another 5hrs car driving... \\joe & henrik btw - what a nice uncle Nik was!!! - nice, cool and really down to earth Dude! From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Dec 17 10:50:42 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 10:50:42 -0500 Subject: OFF: Djam Karet - Kafkas ... Message-ID: capt.cloud said---Any info on the new (?) release, or on live Djam Karet tapes, or anything else related to this band, please feel free to respond. Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com<<<<< hey capt.cloud. i used to be into djam karet.ive got most of their albums. don't have kafka's,but i do know that it is at least 4 years old. i believe it is a very short ep-type thing,i remember that the sound did not impress me,might have been some of the white-noise stuff they did.I agree about burning the hard city-i think that's probably their best.reflections from the fire pool is cool, too. do you think some of their stuff sounds like ozrics? rj From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Sun Dec 17 12:16:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 12:16:00 -0500 Subject: Kadu Flyer Message-ID: Yes, the Kadu Flyer has always been free, as the Bruce's feel strongly that no one should be making money on HW without giving them a cut of the cash, so it will always be free. They pay for it for the most part out of their own pocket with donations of stamps from people and Griffin before the last tour. They have not asked for an SASE before now, but finances require it. As for what a #10 envelope is, I think it is just a legal size envelope, but I am not positive of this. Scott ObCassette: Spacious Mind- Cosmic Minds at Play (spacey stuff,man!) From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Sun Dec 17 14:30:59 1995 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:30:59 CST Subject: HW: Nicknames & Xenon Codex In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:19:12 -0500 from Message-ID: >huw did an interview in nick salomon's ptolmaic terrascope magazine >a couple of years ago.i no longer have it,but if i remember correctly, >he left because he couldn't get by on the money he was making,and >apparently had some pretty hard feelings for brock,who,according to >HLL,was trying to hard to control the band and everyone in it. This seems reasonable, I think a few years ago someone on this list mentioned the final straw for HLL came at the benefit show for the Calvert family. When HLL found out about how the funds raised were allocated, implying Brock took more than his share that should have went to Bob's family. Hmm, its seems the main requirement to play in HW these days is to work cheap and don't ask for a raise (remember Bridget?). Doug From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Mon Dec 18 04:07:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:07:00 GMT Subject: BRAIN: Felis Navidad con Rock'n'roll Message-ID: Got my CoC import package this a.m.... Oh yes! Love that smoochy intro and sexy bass sound on _CoE_, Al's Hispanic growls on _CyN_, the "whooo" sounds on _BID_... Wonder if I can get a flight to Boston on the 22nd? (Mind you, that'd be an expensive way to see a free show :) (PS Tim & Carl - your copies get forwarded this morning.) - Andy From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 18 06:07:46 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:07:46 GMT Subject: Hawkwind:Nova Drive - questions Message-ID: For the Codex etc it would be good to find out where the tracks on "Nova Drive" come from. "Spirit of the Age", wgich IMHO is the best on the album almost certainly comes from the US 1995 tour, probably the first Canadian gig. "Born To Go" sounds like it might be 1984. "Aliens", "Sputnik Stan" and "Silver Machine" could be from either US or UK in '95. Did they play SM in the US? Is "Nova Drive" actually a Hawkwind track? I don't recognise it unless it's a demo I don't have. Maybe the creator of the CD slipped in a track by his own band? "Terra Mystica" is presumably a staight copy from the 4-CD box set. "Damage of Life" may be similarly copied from the TRavellers Aid album. "Magnu" sounds like it might be from 1986 but possibly 1985. It's very hard to guess where "Paradox" or "Dead Dreams" came from. If anyone knows the creator of the CD (we won't inquire too closely) it'd be good to get definitive info. Otherwise if anyone wants to do some comparisons with the tapes they have, it'd be of help to the info we make available to the fans. Any comments Bernhard? Cheers FoFP P.S. If anyone has done any transcription of lyrics from Alien4, I'd like to see 'em. They've still gotta be added to our lyrics files. From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 18 08:27:49 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 08:27:49 -0500 Subject: Brain Surgeons stuff Message-ID: Torgo says: >Did someone just say the Albert APOLOGIZED for "The Brain from Terra Incognita"????? This is easily one of my faves from Epo!! You gotta admit the "destruction, oblivion..." part has hooks hooks HOOKS! Albert, for shame, you should NEVER offer an apology for artistic vision. I'm not 100% sure on this - perhaps someone who was around about a year ago remembers this thread (it started when I posted a Rolling Stone review of *Eponymous*, and while the review was good, the reviewer didn't like "Brain ...", and I disagreed -- it might have been Deb who either apologized or stated that Albert had apologized for it). Anyways, it does have some good stuff in it (and Albert sometimes autographs stuff with the words "Bolts of Ungodly Vision" in them). >And since we are on the subject of Al, did anyone else pick up on how much different Al sounds than from the BOC days? I mean, you can tell it's him for sure, but he sounds much more evil and menacing these days. Take "Mad Dude" for instance. Just the "murdering maggots, murdering frogs" bit sends chills down my spine. Well, Al did admit that a few songs on *Eponymous* had some vocal enhancement. I asked him about the heaviness of some of his vocals on *Eponymous*, and he indicated that "Mad Dude" and "I Play the Drums" have low vocal harmonizer on them. On the other hand, "Most Romantic Place in the World" has no vocal effects, and that one sounds pretty heavy too. >In my opinion, they sound the same, that is to say that, even though no two BS songs really sound that much similar, these 2 CDs could have been jumbled and released as a 2 CD set and I think each song would have fit perfectly with the others. Well, perhaps stylistically and lyrically the songs from the 2 CDs could overlap, but "sonically" I think they are almost night and day. The stuff on *Trepanation* is much more a BAND production, and the guitars are much more up-front. *Eponymous* could almost be more aptly described as a Bouchard/Frost solo (duo?) album -- in fact, the current line-up of the Brain Surgeons was not in place until AFTER *Eponymous* was recorded. I agree that no 2 Brain Surgeons' songs really sound similar -- they have a diverse set of styles (witness "Brain from Terra Incognita" and then go listen to something like "My Civilization"). John From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 18 08:12:25 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:12:25 GMT Subject: HW: Alien lyrics In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:07:46 GMT Message-ID: > P.S. If anyone has done any transcription of lyrics from Alien4, I'd > like to see 'em. They've still gotta be added to our lyrics files. I've done a first listen through to these but haven't had a chance to type them in yet. They seem to be fairly clear from the CD and it's only some of the quieter bits that may give rise to problems. Interestingly most of the lyrics do seem to hang together and make a quite a good conceptual album in total. Xenomorph has a rather odd combination of word structures though! jill obBeatlesSongICan'tGetOutOfMyHead> "For the benefit of Mr Kite.." ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From moriaud at AMLEMAN.EHQMTS.GEO.MTS.DEC.COM Mon Dec 18 09:39:03 1995 From: moriaud at AMLEMAN.EHQMTS.GEO.MTS.DEC.COM (MORIAUD) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:39:03 +0100 Subject: BOC: Paris concert review. Message-ID: Hello, I finally managed to get to the BOC concert in Paris on Tuesday 14th. In spite of the strikes (no train and no public transports), no tickets due to the post strikes, in spite of the signature of the Bosnia treaty (Clinton and many other presidents were in Paris this very day...) and in spite of the snow (I did 550 km from home on slippery roads). You really need to be a fan... I was there two hours before the show hoping they would let me in for the balance as the producer let me understand. But this was rubbish and I stayed nearly two hours waiting in the cold with other fans. I had anyway the pleasure to meet with other French fans. I met the 'president' of the French BOC fan club (I didn't even know there was one) which name is Jean-Luc Carrier. He lives in Toulouse (south of France). He was there with several friends. I must confess that actually I thought I was a fan... But these guys know by heart everything about BOC, every song, and they collect virtually everything. Jean-Luc is a personal friend of Bolle and often speak to him on the phone. He regularly publishes a little bulletin named "Blue Perl". He doesn't own a modem yet and has no access to the Internet. So I will send him the FAQ and other information I get from the net printed. BOC should have taken the Eurostar train from London to Paris, but due to the strike, they took the plane and arrived late. The show was due at 19:30 and they only manage to arrive at around 17:30 in limousines. The doors opened at 17:45 and the opening band was a French 'celtic/hard rock/progressive/jazz' type of band named "peter Alexander Band". Good sound, good players but well, we were all waiting for BOC... Their show took 40 minutes. Then it took another 30 minutes for the sound check and balance... I had the opportunity to meet Rick Downey at that time and asked him to tell the band that we'd like to hear "Veterans of Psychic Wars". Very kindly he came back to me five minutes later and told me "maybe, depending on their mood...". I was surprised how cool this guy is. The "Elysee Montmartre" is a small venue and was 3/4 full. I would say around 500-600 people were there, average age around 35! I met a guy who saw them there in 75 ;-) Nice place anyway and lots of fans. The play list was the following (as written by the sound engineer): Stairways DR Music OD ETI Before the Kiss See You in Black Take me Away/Joan/Telepath Cities Last Days/Astro/Vets In Thee Me262/Bucks Harvest moon Burning Zilla Reaper ---------- D&B Summer/Golden Red&Black Then came the so awaited moment: A strange music made of a mix of classical music, drums, guitar, during one or two minutes and here they are. What a shock to see Eric with short hairs, small beard, all in black, and Buck so 'class'! They started with "Stairway to the Stars", loud and clear, excellent sound. Allen smoking at the keyboards. With that kind of intro., you know immediately that the show will be good. Waooo. Then "DR Music", a song I personally don't really like, but still a lot of energy, particularly with Danny Miranda. This guy looks really different ;-). What a contrast between Eric, Buck and Allen, and this guy... Buck is full of energy, enjoying himself and just 'too easy'. "OD'd..." was then played LOUD. Allen playing guitar too. Then Eric says that they have something old to play too and then starts "ETI". Eric takes the micro in his hands and is playing with it. Het then plays the keyboards. These guy don't show their age on stage! The guitar solo is quite poor on this one. At least I didn't like it because it's too different from the record one... Buck looks quite happy anyway since he raises his arm and fist like a victory sign at the end of the song... I didn't know "Harvest Moon", that Buck sang, and I couldn't remember it... Then came "Before the Kiss, full of energy, with a very good bass solo from Dany. But still, the look of this guy is too different from the one of Eric and Buck... Then Eric introduces in French the 'new song' "See you in black". It's the first time I hear that song. Well, it's not the kind of song I prefer from BOC. But still, full of energy and they seem to enjoy playing it. Allen then on keyboard for a loooong introduction that I thought the one of "Joan Croawford". But no, it's "Take me Away". We quite didn't hear Eric during this one... problem with his micro... forget this one... One of the best one was "Flaming Telepaths"... The stroboscopic flashes on "and the joke..." was great... Then a good one too "Cities of Flames..." and a disillusion (at least for me): they played "Last Days..." but no "Veterans...". Eric was on keyboards and Allen on guitar for this one. Eric introduces in French "Une chanson de Allen Lanier du disque Mirrors (a song written by A.L from the Mirror album)". They perform the 'acoustic' version of "In Thee". Nice work. I liked the two or three time Eric said "And now something completely different" a la Monthy Pithons... This was time for a GREAT "Lip in the Hills". Eric presented the bassist and the drummer (O'Reilly?) and the performed "Burning for You", that he told was "from our last album"... and at the end "we're still burning..." A very 'soft' "Godzilla" followed also introduced in French by Eric. Impressively good bass solo. Funny to see Allen talking, drinking and smoking in the back... Then Eric and buck leave during a looooong drum solo. Well too long for me and unimaginative, sorry. Eric says he is happy to be in Paris the same day than the president of the USA... And that they have to leave for Greece, "...may be in Taxi..." The "Reaper" is just great. Perfect solo (from my point of view again)... and this is it... Only five minutes and they come back with "Me262", "Dominance &.." where it's nice to see buck enjoying himself so much during the solo. Allen takes the guitar again and they end with a speedy "The Red&...". Nice to see all them in line... Ending words in French "Au revoir..." We had the opportunity to talk to the band after the show. I asked and autograph to Eric on my FAQ ;-) He hesitated quite a lot before signing... asking what this was and verifying that it was not a contract...;-) I was surprised how cool these guys are too. Very nice with us, taking their time for some photos... I was also surprised because they are very small men... All in all it was a great show and I am so happy I could be there. I'am already waiting for the next one. I hope that next year as Eric said... This is it, thanks to be indulgent with my english... Best regards, A happy fan: _______________________________________________________ Jean-Charles Moriaud Digital Equipment Corporation Tel: +41 22 709 4979 12, av. des Morgines Fax: +41 22 709 4140 1213 Petit-Lancy INet: jean-charles.moriaud at geo.mts.dec.com Geneva X.400: c=ch; a=400net; p=digital; o=digital; ou=geo Switzerland _______________________________________________________ From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Dec 18 10:48:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:48:00 EST Subject: HW: Huw's departure Message-ID: I heard somewhere that Huw had a drinking problem (the thanks to Huw's wife on _XC_ (?) for keeping him sane may be a reference). If this is true in may explain his willingness to blame that controlling skinflint Brock in the ptolmaic terrascope interview. I don't remember specifically where I heard this so can anybody comment on the credibility? Rudy From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Mon Dec 18 11:33:13 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:33:13 -0500 Subject: OFF: Stratocasters Message-ID: this is WAY off-topic, but is music-related, and you can respond via private Email if you wish... I had the most fascinating dream last night...I dreamt I was at some music festival of some sort where there had been alot of bands playing and such...just as I was about to depart the evening's activities, I bumped into one of the evening's performers Dave Edmunds (Rockpile!) who gave me a guitar saying that he "didn't need it"... anywho, it was the most beautiful guitar I ever saw! it was hollow-bodied, metallic green with a grey fretboard (the frets were green as well), and "Fender" was in prominent lettering across the body... Q's: 1) whatever happened to Dave Edmunds, anywho? 2) Did Fender ever make a hollow-bodied Stratocaster, and was there any that fits this description? 3) What the does the dream mean, and of all people, why in hell did Dave Edmunds give me the guitar? thanx, now back to our regularly scheduled program ROBO From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM Mon Dec 18 11:49:50 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:49:50 -0500 Subject: BOC: I'm back, London gig. Message-ID: Well just to say I'm back off holiday and had a great time at the London gig. It was really great and I had a brilliant time. Esp. meeting a few people from the list - and Eric, Buck and Danny at the end. Could someone please up date me on anything that has happened. Did anyone post a review - the French one was great. Has anyone received Career of Christmas yet? Sorry. that's it for now as our network is going down for 10 mins for some reason. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sbphrd.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Mon Dec 18 12:15:39 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:15:39 -0500 Subject: BOC: Paris concert review. Message-ID: Jean mentions the FAQ in his review. Just a few notes here from the editor: 1. As mentioned in the FAQ, feel free to distribute the FAQ, but ONLY in it's entirety (which includes copyright and disclaimer, along with credits to lots of great people who helped me out with this project). 2. I've mentioned the FAQ a few times to Eric (via e-mail), and as I have said, I've coordinated on most of the info with Bolle -- while the FAQ is not an "officially sanctioned product" by the band, the record label, or the fan club, all attempts have been made to make it as factual as possible. I've offered copies up to bandmembers in the past, and have asked several times for comments on it. I have not received alot of response (perhaps understandble - these guys are musicians, not proof-readers), but did get lots of help from Bolle. So, while some might have differences of opinion over some of the details, it is, IMHO, very accurate. I hope the FAQ will be circulated to all BOC fans on-line (which is why you can access it from various web pages), and might eventually become recognised (endorsed?) by the band. So, feel free to mention the FAQ in any conversations (face-to- face or on-line) that you might have with the band. John From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Mon Dec 18 12:10:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:10:00 -0500 Subject: HW: Huw's departure Message-ID: I believe it is very true that Huw has or had a drinking problem. A friend of Chris and mary's whom I have met went over to england to play in huw's band in the early 90's and said that huw was a mess and that it just never worked out because he was such an awful drunk, but still a talented guitarist.. This guy did end up playing drums for Nick Riff though..... Scott ObCassette:Janis Joplin- Woodstock 69' SB tape From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Mon Dec 18 12:24:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:24:00 EST Subject: HW: Codex Suggestion Message-ID: I appreciate the effort that has gone in to the Codex thus far, FoFP & Jill. I have a suggestion that would make it even more useful for people like me and could be some fun. I was playing various versions of songs trying to figure out which I'd put on a tape for a friend. Suddenly it dawned on me. How about if the Codex rated the various versions of the songs or noted which ones were distinct variations worth having, if you can't have it all. You have it started with some comments on variations of a single version of a song. For example, the Do Not Panic version of "Shot Down in the Night" might be the best version of that song. You might just do a number code of 1 - 7 if there are 7 versions or a note for odd variants. It would help me prioritize my collecting and make sure I target the cream. I want at least the highlights if not the whole list. You 2 might do a strawman and then let others review and comment with some sort of consensus final posted. It would be an opinion, but as good a starting point for filling my collection as I can think of. Rudy From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Mon Dec 18 12:49:33 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:49:33 -0600 Subject: Hawkwind:Nova Drive - questions In-Reply-To: <9512181107.aa11473@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, M Holmes wrote: > For the Codex etc it would be good to find out where the tracks on "Nova > Drive" come from. > "Spirit of the Age", wgich IMHO is the best on the album almost > certainly comes from the US 1995 tour, probably the first Canadian gig. i thought they didn't play spirit on the us tour- i think i remember someone joking about the fact that they named the tour spirit of the age but never played it during the tour > "Born To Go" sounds like it might be 1984. > > "Aliens", "Sputnik Stan" and "Silver Machine" could be from either US or > UK in '95. Did they play SM in the US? silver machine was played on the 95 us tour- great too!! -mike psyche From jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK Mon Dec 18 12:47:15 1995 From: jobroin at MADGE.CO.UK (Jason O'Broin) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:47:15 +0000 Subject: BOC: I'm back, London gig. In-Reply-To: <9512181649.AA06054@phinet.sbphrd.com> from "CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY" at Dec 18, 95 11:49:50 am Message-ID: > Well just to say I'm back off holiday and had a great time at > the London gig. It was really great and I had a brilliant time. > Esp. meeting a few people from the list - and Eric, Buck and > Danny at the end. ... go on, tell us about it! > Could someone please up date me on anything that has happened. > Did anyone post a review - the French one was great. Tim and I did - someone may have archived them. > Has anyone received Career of Christmas yet? I believe AndyG should be forwarding your one RSN. My Christmas Pack arrived from Al & Deb directly on Saturday (and very good it is too) Next BOC gig it's my round! Jason -- Jason O'Broin - Development Engineer, ATM Adapter Group Madge Networks, Sefton Park, Bells Hill, Stoke Poges, Slough SL2 4JS. UK Phone +44 1494 541258 Email: jobroin at madge.com or jobroin at madge.co.uk - Can I have everything louder than everything else ? - From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Mon Dec 18 12:52:15 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:52:15 GMT Subject: HW: Codex Suggestion In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:24:00 EST Message-ID: Rudich, Robert A writes: > I appreciate the effort that has gone in to the Codex thus far, FoFP & Jill. > I have a suggestion that would make it even more useful for people like me > and could be some fun. > > I was playing various versions of songs trying to figure out which I'd put > on a tape for a friend. Suddenly it dawned on me. How about if the Codex > rated the various versions of the songs or noted which ones were distinct > variations worth having, if you can't have it all. You have it started with > some comments on variations of a single version of a song. For example, > the Do Not Panic version of "Shot Down in the Night" might be the best > version of that song. You might just do a number code of 1 - 7 if there are > 7 versions or a note for odd variants. It would help me prioritize my > collecting and make sure I target the cream. I want at least the highlights > if not the whole list. > > You 2 might do a strawman and then let others review and comment with some > sort of consensus final posted. It would be an opinion, but as good a > starting point for filling my collection as I can think of. Back when I was thinking of putting the Codex into a booklet for Kollectors this is pretty much what I had in mind. I'd have the raw info plus some artwork and then reviews of the main tracks and how the versions have developed over the years. > Rudy FoFP From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Mon Dec 18 14:13:38 1995 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:13:38 CST Subject: Hawkwind:Nova Drive - questions Message-ID: > For the Codex etc it would be good to find out where the tracks on "Nova > Drive" come from. > "Spirit of the Age", wgich IMHO is the best on the album almost > certainly comes from the US 1995 tour, probably the first Canadian gig. As far as I know SotA was not part of the setlist at anytime on the US tour. I have both Canadian gigs, which seem complete and its not present. However, either the Milwaukee or Madison tape has a sound check with SotA and quite frankly its sucks! I like Ron Tree OK but he's pitiful on this song. Maybe thats why they never played it. After begging Dave to play Lord of Light it was good to see it appear on the recent UK tour, even if I didn't get to hear it. :-( I may have mentioned this already but Dave asked if the fans still wanted to hear "all those old songs" to which we all responded HELL YES. Doug PS FoFP/Bernhard how's that rare tracks tape coming? Please do it... OBcool movie I'd like to watch with Nik Turner: Stargate From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Dec 18 15:09:55 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 21:09:55 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind:Nova Drive - questions Message-ID: >For the Codex etc it would be good to find out where the tracks on "Nova >Drive" come from. > >"Spirit of the Age", wgich IMHO is the best on the album almost >certainly comes from the US 1995 tour, probably the first Canadian gig. >"Born To Go" sounds like it might be 1984. > >"Aliens", "Sputnik Stan" and "Silver Machine" could be from either US or >UK in '95. Did they play SM in the US? > >Is "Nova Drive" actually a Hawkwind track? I don't recognise it unless >it's a demo I don't have. Maybe the creator of the CD slipped in a track >by his own band? > >"Terra Mystica" is presumably a staight copy from the 4-CD box set. >"Damage of Life" may be similarly copied from the TRavellers Aid album. >"Magnu" sounds like it might be from 1986 but possibly 1985. It's very >hard to guess where "Paradox" or "Dead Dreams" came from. > >If anyone knows the creator of the CD (we won't inquire too closely) >it'd be good to get definitive info. Otherwise if anyone wants to do >some comparisons with the tapes they have, it'd be of help to the info >we make available to the fans. > >Any comments Bernhard? cortesy of Bernhard: - born to go ramsgate 28.05.84 - spirit of the age k=F6ln 13.11.94 - nova drive doncaster 10.11.80 - alien boulder 23.04.95 - silver machine springfield 08.04.95 - sputnik stan boulder 23.04.95 - terra mystica studio - wastelands of sl. London 22.04.88 - only the dead dr. Oxford 06.10.78 - damage of live woolwich 03.06.89 - paradox birmingh 08.11.86 - magnu san franc. 07.10.89 - (do re mi...) boulder 23.04.95 >FoFP \\joe yes Mike - got the Business vinyl and some pounds - but there's no Queen at the bill, is it real? ;0) From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Mon Dec 18 15:09:52 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 21:09:52 +0100 Subject: HW: Alien Lyrics Message-ID: This is the lyrics I've collected from BOC-l so far: Alien (I Am) I lack emotion, have no love that I can find I want some devotion to ease a worried mind The heart is softened the soul is scorched The mind erodes away some sentimental thoughts The window cracked is closed The door slams shut The lights put out, say no more speak no less For you I become the alien I am For you I become the alien I am The cry primal is muffled The mouth seals tight The eye looks within Say no more speak no less I the alien reject your human touch Festival The spirit once lived In all of our hearts, A spirit of freedom, Dance, music and Arts. We gave what we could, But they wanted more. We came in peace, But left in war. A society infiltrated from the inside, Government instigators? Nowhere to hide. We have allowed it to happen, It is so very sad, Everyone is guilty, Though not everyone is bad. Those carefree days of summers past At the time seemed too good to last. But I thought that it would be destroyed, >From the outside... not from within, By the closed minded fascists, Not by our own "Kith and Kin". Sputnik Stan They call me Sputnik Stan I view the Earth from a garbage can I'm in your orbit as a junkyard man It's just a job, I'm a satellite junkman They call me Sputnik Stan Spaceway maintenance man I see a satellite about to fade Got to collect it or we don't get paid \\joe From delacour at UNM.EDU Mon Dec 18 20:19:37 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:19:37 -0700 Subject: BOC in So Cal, Again!!! In-Reply-To: <199512181942.OAA18059@listserv.spc.edu> Message-ID: BOC-L Readers, Just got a X-mas card from Reverend Che, and it also includes a note that BOC will be playing in Southern California again (the 3rd time this year)!!! Two shows are booked for the Coach House in San Juan Capistrano on New Year's Eve. Does anybody on the list have ANY other tour dates? Phoenix, Tucson or maybe somewhere else booked during this time frame? Merry X-mas and happy holidays to all. God bless......Manuel & Jean in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU Mon Dec 18 21:49:00 1995 From: HELLERS at A1.MGH.HARVARD.EDU (Scott Heller (617) 724-7762) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 21:49:00 -0500 Subject: HW: Huw's departure Message-ID: The Huw interview in Ptolemaic Terrascope was Vol3 #2 from April 1992 page 27. It has a lot of great info in it. He talks about the ills of LSD and bands he has been in like Widowmaker,etc... Speaking of Huw, does anyonehave a copy of his last lp, Red River? or soemthing like that? Scott ObCassette: Hawkwind- Edmonton Sundown 1/26/74 (the 11 min version of It's so Easy!) From Stewartbas at AOL.COM Mon Dec 18 23:41:51 1995 From: Stewartbas at AOL.COM (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 23:41:51 -0500 Subject: HW: Huw's departure Message-ID: Huwey has a powerful thirst but he always remains sober enough to call the rest of his mates drug addicts;-( regards, Bill Stewart From SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET Tue Dec 19 11:48:46 1995 From: SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET (Sebastian Welton) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:48:46 EWT Subject: Regarding: BOC-L Digest - 18 Dec 1995 to 19 Dec 1995 Message-ID: > >Q's: >1) whatever happened to Dave Edmunds, anywho? Well according to the latest Mojo magazine he was recently seen in Nashville. Also on the subject of Mojo (which we weren't, but...) it has a favourable review of the Hawkwind gig that everyone went to in Brixton, along with the set list. Picked up Alien 4 but so far not too impressed! Cheers Seb ObCD: Fun With Mushrooms, Various (a good selection of bands covered by Freakbeat, i.e. Omnia Opera, Wobble Wibble Jaggle, etc.) S.J.Welton MVS & VM Operations and Automation Analyst ECNOD/CS/MGCS European Space Operations Centre (ESA), 64293 Darmstadt, Deutschland SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET | DE27PSNP at IBMMAIL | Telephone ++49 6151 902570 C=DE;A=DBP;O=ESOC;S=WELTON;G=SEBASTIAN site=ESOC username=SWELTON From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Dec 19 06:42:19 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:42:19 +0000 Subject: BOC in London; some comments In-Reply-To: <2711.9512141333@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: This is the first opportunity I've had to write since the London gig last week. Anyway, here's a few observations and thoughts. The venue, whilst not as big as those that BOC used to play to, seemed to be pretty packed out. On the way in I noticed that the ticket touts were buying as well as selling, so I guess that was a good sign. The crowd contained quite a few youngsters as well as the more - ahem - mature punter. We missed most of the support band (Stone), so no comments there. BOC hit the stage pretty much on time, and launched into Stairway to the Stars. I've never heard this played live before, but somehow it already seems familiar because of seeing set lists posted here on BOC-L. As someone already mentioned, this was a much more stripped down show than in the past - ie. no smoke bombs, mirrors, etc - but the band themselves seemed as relaxed as I've ever seen them. Buck was smiling and kept winking at the front row of the audience. I couldn't see much of the new drummer, but Danny Miranda (sp?) seemed also to genuinely be enjoying himself. For me the high point of the show was hearing Harvest Moon live; this is currently my favourite BOC song. Funny thing though about the audience; during the familiar songs they were bouncing all over the place. But during the new songs they just stood there, even during the parts that obviously *rock*, ie. the guitar solo in Harvest Moon, and most of I'd Like to See You in Black. Still, they seemed to show their appreciation at the end - or was it just that I could hear myself cheering loudly? Given that there were quite a few younger people there, I guess it's not surprising that the band still stick with many of the old favourites in their set list. Nevertheless, personally I would have welcomed even more of a changed list than the one we got (Bolle had actually primed me to expect "The Vigil", so I was a little disappointed that we didn't get it. But we did get "Lips in the Hills", the only song other than Black Blade that I've heard live from CE). Re: the overall sound. It was mostly pretty good. I couldn't really hear Eric too well during Take Me Away, and it sounded as though he was singing a bit flat; in fact, I could hear Buck more than I could hear Eric so Maybe Eric was straining a bit with this one. On the other hand, Eric was in great voice for ILTSYIB. This last number incidentally is one that would have most bands leaning over their guitars and headbanging all over the place, so it was quite amusing to watch Buck play this so nonchalantly as if to say "I could play this stuff in my sleep". On some of his solos, Buck was pretty audible, but when things started to get really fast and the other guys were hammering away at their instruments, then Buck tended to get lost in the mix a bit. For example, on Last Days of May, Buck plays the slow part and is clearly audible, but as the song speeds up and things get more frantic then Buck's sound gets drowned out somewhat. However, quibbles aside, the sound was mostly good and the performance was great. The drum solo wasn't bad as such things go, and stopped just the right side of outstaying its welcome. Similarly, the bass solo -- nothing wildly brilliant, but OK (like Jason, I was spoilt, having just seen Stu Hamm with Satriani's band). Buck was in good voice that night, I should also add. For the benefit of the guitar-watchers here, I note that Buck and Eric stuck with the same instruments all night. Buck even used the Steinberger for Reaper (with capo!) and In Thee. A question: Does Buck have more than one Steinberger? I ask because I'm sure he broke a string on the Last Days of May. I noticed that he went to the side of the stage after that number, but seemed to come back almost straight away. I figured maybe he had changed the guitar rather than the string. On the other hand, I couldn't see entirely clearly at that point, so maybe I was mistaken. After the show Charlie and myself hung around to try and meet the band. Danny was the first to show, and came to the front of the stage to exchange a few words. He seemed pretty friendly, and quite excited about this being his first time in London. He said the band were hoping to get back here in the spring of next year. Eric and Buck were the next to appear (in that order). Whilst they were polite enough, I kind of felt that they didn't want to stick around too long, which was understandable as they were in France the next day with the prospect of the strike-associated problems. Therefore, the conversation didn't get much past me saying "Er, great show, come back soon", which they've probably heard more times than they would ever wish to! Eric did pick up on the fact that I was wearing a Nethawks shirt, but unfortunately I then fumbled that possible conversational gambit! Ah well, maybe Charlie got a bit more out of them than me. But I did get my picture taken with Buck (also photographed Charlie with Eric and Buck). I didn't really bother with autographs, but afterwards it occurred to me that I could have brought my copy of "The King in Yellow" to get signed; that would have been pretty cool. Maybe next time. Dave Hardman From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 19 06:59:36 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:59:36 GMT Subject: Hawkwind:Nova Drive - questions In-Reply-To: Doug's message of Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:13:38 CST Message-ID: Doug writes: > > For the Codex etc it would be good to find out where the tracks on "Nova > > Drive" come from. > > "Spirit of the Age", wgich IMHO is the best on the album almost > > certainly comes from the US 1995 tour, probably the first Canadian gig. > > As far as I know SotA was not part of the setlist at anytime on the US > tour. I have both Canadian gigs, which seem complete and its not present. My mistake, I have it on Koln '94. > Doug > > PS FoFP/Bernhard how's that rare tracks tape coming? Please do it... No progress, but I'll keep this in mind for '96. FoFP From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 19 07:02:22 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:02:22 GMT Subject: Hawkwind:Nova Drive - questions In-Reply-To: Johan Edlundh's message of Mon, 18 Dec 1995 21:09:55 +0100 Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > >For the Codex etc it would be good to find out where the tracks on "Nova > >Drive" come from. > > > >"Spirit of the Age", wgich IMHO is the best on the album almost > >certainly comes from the US 1995 tour, probably the first Canadian gig. > >"Born To Go" sounds like it might be 1984. > > > >"Aliens", "Sputnik Stan" and "Silver Machine" could be from either US or > >UK in '95. Did they play SM in the US? > > > >Is "Nova Drive" actually a Hawkwind track? I don't recognise it unless > >it's a demo I don't have. Maybe the creator of the CD slipped in a track > >by his own band? > > > >"Terra Mystica" is presumably a staight copy from the 4-CD box set. > >"Damage of Life" may be similarly copied from the TRavellers Aid album. > >"Magnu" sounds like it might be from 1986 but possibly 1985. It's very > >hard to guess where "Paradox" or "Dead Dreams" came from. > > > >If anyone knows the creator of the CD (we won't inquire too closely) > >it'd be good to get definitive info. Otherwise if anyone wants to do > >some comparisons with the tapes they have, it'd be of help to the info > >we make available to the fans. > > > >Any comments Bernhard? > > > > cortesy of Bernhard: > - born to go ramsgate 28.05.84 > - spirit of the age k=F6ln 13.11.94 > - nova drive doncaster 10.11.80 > - alien boulder 23.04.95 > - silver machine springfield 08.04.95 > - sputnik stan boulder 23.04.95 > - terra mystica studio > - wastelands of sl. London 22.04.88 > - only the dead dr. Oxford 06.10.78 > - damage of live woolwich 03.06.89 > - paradox birmingh 08.11.86 > - magnu san franc. 07.10.89 > - (do re mi...) boulder 23.04.95 > > Outstanding. Sometimes I'm just truly gobsmacked. > > > >FoFP > > \\joe > > yes Mike - got the Business vinyl and some pounds - but there's no Queen at > the bill, is it real? ;0) It'll be a Scottish Pound. Technically not legal tender in England but by tradition everyone accepts them and the banks will take them from traders in lieu of English Pounds. So the answer is "yes" for any practical purpose. FoFP From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Tue Dec 19 08:47:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 08:47:00 EST Subject: HW: Alien Lyrics Message-ID: I haven't heard Alien yet so the music is an unknown for me. However, the lyrics for "Alien"and "Festival" are most cheery. Just the sort of thing I want to run through my mind as I sit in traffic. Hope there are no sharp edges on the CD when I finally get it. "Right to Decide" has a bit of a dire message, but the music makes it a good tune. Since Ron's vocals may not save these songs, are they good musically? Rudy From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Dec 19 09:30:37 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:30:37 +0000 Subject: BOC: London gig / Hi! In-Reply-To: <3528.9512141539@dibble.aeolians.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: > > tight, never letting up the pace or energy and was most satisfying. The solos > > were largely based on the studio recordings, Did you think so? I'm not sure I'd agree. Stairway clearly wasn't the same solo, though whether he does the same solo every time on this tour I couldn't say. I've heard different solos on some live recordings. Also, I'm pretty sure Dr Music wasn't the same solo, though the jazzy style was the same. ETI wasn't the studio version, though seemed pretty much like the usual live version. Burnin' for You wasn't the same, and I also have a question about the performance of this number: When I first saw this number performed back in '81 Buck didn't actually play his guitar until the song reached the chorus; during the verse he held the guitar in his hands. I presume Allen and Eric covered the guitar duties during the verses. This time round, however, I think I'm right in saying that Buck played the guitar throughout. Has anyone else noticed this, and if I'm right what's the reason for the change? Take Me Away also has a different guitar solo from the record, presumably because Aldo Nova did the original version. The Red & the Black I thought had an improvised solo, though not greatly different from the way it's usually played -- after all, I guess once you know where the solo lies on the fretboard then it's not too hard just to play variations around that. As for the other songs, I either can't remember or I couldn't hear properly. Sorry if this message is a bit train-spotter-ish on the topic of guitar solos, but....er....er....I guess I'm just a bit of a train-spotter! Dave From craigs at PYRAMID.COM Tue Dec 19 11:55:18 1995 From: craigs at PYRAMID.COM (Craig Shipley) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:55:18 -0500 Subject: Hollow Hippodays, ya'll! Message-ID: Just wanted to wish all of you a happy holiday season, as I am blowing outta here until after the first. May it be a safe and happy season for you all and may you find that special bit of music in your sock come Christmas morn! (_Still_ haven't seen hide 'ner hair of either the new Brock, House or HW CD's anywhere!!) Now, be good and don't drink too much eggnog! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK Tue Dec 19 12:29:28 1995 From: M.S.Wright at READING.AC.UK (Dr. Big Mike Light) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:29:28 +0000 Subject: HW: Huw's departure & last LP In-Reply-To: <01HYYV4DW3NAYOZ28Y@MR.MGH.HARVARD.EDU> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Scott Heller (617) 724-7762 wrote: > Speaking of Huw, > does anyonehave a copy of his last lp, Red River? or soemthing like > that? I think it is called River Run, and despite having had it for about a year I have only listened to it a couple of times - I think it is his weakest solo effort. However his songs usually grow on me, so I guess I shouldn't be so quick to judge. Mike w From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Tue Dec 19 13:28:50 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 18:28:50 +0000 Subject: BOC Lyric book cartoons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gee, the BOC folks are quiet here today. Feel like I'm talking to myself. Still here's a question anyway.... I guess a few people here will have the BOC lyric book, in which case maybe someone can answer this question: In the Imaginos section there are some cartoons that go along with the lyrics to the song "Blue Oyster Cult". However, they are unsigned. Does anyone know who drew these? Albert? Dave From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 19 13:36:32 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 18:36:32 GMT Subject: HW: Alien Lyrics In-Reply-To: Rudich, Robert A's message of Tue, 19 Dec 1995 08:47:00 EST Message-ID: > I haven't heard Alien yet so the music is an unknown for me. However, the > lyrics for "Alien"and "Festival" are most cheery. Just the sort of thing I > want to run through my mind as I sit in traffic. Hope there are no sharp > edges on the CD when I finally get it. "Right to Decide" has a bit of a > dire message, but the music makes it a good tune. Since Ron's vocals may > not save these songs, are they good musically? > Well none of Hawkwind's lyrics are exactly the bouncy jolly stuff.... 8-) But I'm content that Hawkwind lyrics continue to explore the slightly darker, discontentments of life. It's not so much that the lyrics always dwell on doomy subjects - more that they often point out that there is a problem here and it's worth facing up to it instead of trying to pretend it doesn't exist. Alien is largely redeemed (a) by the lyrics actually making sense for once and (b) because the rhythm of this song is (or it can be live - I'm not sure this studio version has entirely captured the power of the track) is surprisingly powerful. It's done in a minor key but somehow the emotional surge of the opening chords and the rhythm after that just sweeps it along. I liked this track long before I could work out the words! Festivals is an odd track. It's one of Brock's chants - fast and surprisingly uptempo, it almost sounds as if Brock is more amused than horrified by the subject of his song. As if he is saying "what a load of stupid twats we were to have let this happen in the first place but I guess it was inevitable" type of thing. Sympathetic rather than despairing. IMO of course! jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Tue Dec 19 11:29:33 1995 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:29:33 U Subject: OFF TOPIC: Magnum Message-ID: Had a good week for gigs last week. First of all - the mighty BOC at the Forum, then Friday and Saturday Magnum at LA2 and Wulfrun Hall. (More dragged there by my fiancee if the truth were known - Saturday I could have been seeing Half Man Half Biscuit in London, rather than schlepping all the way to that hotbed of civilisation, Wolverhampton. Bugger.) Still, the query is this. Despite this weekend being their last ever gigs (until they run out of money), does anyone know of a Magnum list or homepage? Also, I haven't had any mail through from the list (or indeed any of the other lists I subscribe to) for the last couple of days, so if you don't get this message, you won't worry about it. If on the other hand you do get it, please email me with any details direct to: richard.lockwood at tpd.co.uk The problem I've had in the past is that my return address keeps getting sent out incorrectly, but anything could be wrong... Oh well, a Merry Bastar* Christmas to one and all (Bah! Humbug!) Cheers, Rich. ** The grave of Karl Marx is just another Communist plot ** From irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU Tue Dec 19 16:17:31 1995 From: irby at CRUX.ASTR.UA.EDU (Bryan Irby) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:17:31 -0600 Subject: BOC Lyric book cartoons In-Reply-To: from "Hardman DK" at Dec 19, 95 06:28:50 pm Message-ID: > maybe someone can answer this question: In the Imaginos section there are > some cartoons that go along with the lyrics to the song "Blue Oyster > Cult". However, they are unsigned. Does anyone know who drew these? Albert? I believe all the cartoons in the lyric book were done by Zeke Roeser, Buck's son. -Bryan From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Tue Dec 19 10:38:41 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:38:41 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind:Nova Drive - questions Message-ID: Hi there Here are the dates and venues of the NOVA DRIVE tracks Born To Go Ramsgate 28.05.84 Spirit of the Age Cologne 13.11.94 Nova Drive Doncaster 10.11.80 Alien Boulder 23.04.95 Silver Machine Springfield 08.04.95 Sputnik Stan Boulder 23.04.95 Terra Mystica Studio Wastelands of sleep London 22.04.88 Only the dead... Oxford 06.10.78 Damage of Live Woolwich 03.06.89 Paradox Birmingham 08.11.86 Magnu San Francisco 07.10.89 Additional track Boulder 23.04.95 Hope that helps cu Bernhard ==================================================================== BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de From mordru at MAGG.NET Tue Dec 19 16:32:59 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:32:59 -0500 Subject: BOC Sir Rastus Bear Message-ID: In the song redeemed, I'd always thought the chorus started "Goblins of Xerxes, villains of wise..." but the lyric sites all list it as "Goblins of surcease, villains..." Surcease means to cause to cease.... it doesn't really make sense to me, but listening back I can't now truly decide. Anyone have any further info on this? This has always been one of my favorite songs... ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM Tue Dec 19 16:45:45 1995 From: Chris_Baxley at SONYMUSIC.COM (Chris Baxley) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:45:45 -0500 Subject: HW: Huw's departure Message-ID: > The Huw interview in Ptolemaic Terrascope was Vol3 #2 from April 1992 > page 27. It has a lot of great info in it. He talks about the ills of > LSD and bands he has been in like Widowmaker,etc... ^^^ What ills...? 8-> - Chris ObLP: _Sandoz_, "Pay Attention" From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Wed Dec 20 19:50:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:50:00 PST Subject: Hollow Hippodays, ya'll! Message-ID: Have a happy holidays guy. BTW I will be down in your area (Snellville?) to celebrate with my in-laws Leaving here on thursday (midnite) and should be in your area through at least the 27th. C'ya AB Just wanted to wish all of you a happy holiday season, as I am blowing outta here until after the first. May it be a safe and happy season for you all and may you find that special bit of music in your sock come Christmas morn! (_Still_ haven't seen hide 'ner hair of either the new Brock, House or HW CD's anywhere!!) Now, be good and don't drink too much eggnog! -- -m------- Craig Shipley aka: craigs at pyratl.ga.pyramid.com ---mmm----- Pyramid Technology Corporation, A Siemens-Nixdorf Company -----mmmmm--- 1100 Johnson Ferry Road NE, Suite 400 -------mmmmmmm- Atlanta, GA 30342 (404) 845-3404 From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Tue Dec 19 19:41:14 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:41:14 GMT Subject: HW: Alien, the word(s) Message-ID: Here's an attempt or several - anyone else do any better? 1st track: ABDUCTED On board the craft I noticed the ?lump of? electrical-like ceiling lines Like the lines in the human brain. There are window or screen areas all around the ship They are like a two-way mirror - a kind of projection place It is as if these windowscreens are made of a combination of metal, crystal or mirrored glass I see a cloud shape, a landscape, suspended plastic sheets. I notice slanted surfaces on the tops of machines with instruments on panels. Small creatures are busily moving around. They are seated at the controls at the base of the slanting walls. Robot-like creatures with large black eyes That appear to have reptillean or insect-like facial qualities. I don't have any problem facing the little ones that are so blissful The the ugly ones scare and repulse me It's like the larva inside the ?leather-faced? skin of a half-dark scarey machine. The reptile faced insect body robots They are being brought forth to perform specific functions. ********************* 2nd track - ALIEN "What kind of receiver would be capable of processing these signals?" "A system designed to modify the electromagnetic spectrum and carry those messages directly to the human brain" ?? ... ?? Microscopic ?? I sleep with you I come from within I Am The Alien We are your friends I am here to help you Make amends We Are The Aliens ALIEN - song Alien control calling. Are you receiving, Earth? Are you receiving? We Are The Aliens We have warned you about the dangers We Are The Aliens ************** 3rd track: REJECT YOUR HUMAN TOUCH ?"speak to you"? *************** 4th track: BLUE SKIN No ?wall ....... No time to ?take? it in Ultrasonic ?heavy? machine Take control. Take control ?Issues? take command Clicking hands clattering into the black In the ink of night. .... ?ancient .... ?goats dance? I'm bleeding for you Breeding for you My blood is blue Penetration through ... feel free Surgically screened No needle machine Slice the flesh like a ?tiko ?tiko stone Cuts the ?? on my face Name Age Place of Birth Race Village And Tribe Carve ?deeply Erase doubts as to who I am As to who I am Break, break Transfer Inscribe Images of sweet roses ?rain ...... ?tips .... tattoo a hole in my skin Drains the blood ************************** 5th Track: BEAM ME UP Supernatural. Biological. Transluscent glaze. Night Spirit. The Folding Eye. Free my soul Supernatural. Extra Terrestrial. Supernatural. Extra Terrestrial Beam Me Up. I'm being beamed up. Now. "The fusion bomb was invented in 1934 but we didn't see it until 1945" Hiroshima. Nagasaki. The fusion bomb, the future bomb. Is always wrong. The neutron bomb. Monitored by the alien control satellites. We have holographic images showing the destruction of the World. I thought it was a dream but then I wasn't in bed A fractured dream Through the broken screen Projected. Injected Into my head Under the skin Inside my mind Through the golden stream of time Into my mind Through the golden stream of time I'm being beamed. Up. Now. ******************** 6th track: VEGA 7th track: XENOMORPH I'd ?like ....?be born ?sign Xenomorphic cries You can't escape me Once you are chosen The forces assist me To take you over Get in the machine Assailants of mankind Skeletal life forms are born to be my toys ?Alotrials? Mind Invaders Xenomorphic liquidators Like to escape free Now you've been chosen The force is within me Your life is over Inside a machine A ?? android And so they exist Simply to destroy Antibodies near me You can't even see me Hermetically productive Xenomorphic blood test My blood type goes straight through I'll have to sedate you You'll have to escape through The tunnel of light ******************** 8th track: JOURNEY 9th track: SPUTNIK STAN - 10th track: KAPAL "To be, or not to be - that is the question; Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing end them" "Married with my uncle, My father's brother: but no more like my father Than I to Hercules. Within a month... ... She married. O, most wicked speed, to post With such dexterity to incestuous sheets! It is not, nor it cannot come to good. But break, my heart, for I must hold my tongue" "To be or not to be That is the question" ****************** Track 11: FESTIVALS Track 12: DEATH TRAP Track 13: WASTELANDS Track 14: ARE YOU LOSING YOUR MIND Watching TV. Walking down the street I realised I had a problem A big problem in my mind I had to get the problem out of my mind I realised I had a - Silicon chip In my head I had a Silicon chip In my head Ah. I'm losing my mind control I'm losing my mind Are you losing your mind? Mind control Mind control ******************** Track 15 (on vinyl) SPACE SEX ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Tue Dec 19 19:59:36 1995 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:59:36 -0800 Subject: BOC Home Page Message-ID: http://www.public.asu.edu/~fayst/boc.html was listed as a BOC Page on the WWW. I tried to get to it, but was told that it didnt' have a DNS Server or something like that. Is this the right address, or has it shut down already? "Act like a dumbshit and they'll treat you as an equal." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From Chris.C.O'Neill at APVXC1.PHARMACEUTICALS.ZENECA.TMAILUK.SPRINT.COM Tue Dec 19 20:00:51 1995 From: Chris.C.O'Neill at APVXC1.PHARMACEUTICALS.ZENECA.TMAILUK.SPRINT.COM (Chris O'Neill - ZC&TS (Tel 01625 515603)) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 20:00:51 -0500 Subject: Hollow Hippodays, ya'll! Message-ID: From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Date: 19-Dec-1995 18:48 1=us@*RFC-822\BOC-L(a)LISTSERV.SPC.EDU at 3=internet at 2=telemail at MRZ@APVX29 TO: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L ( 1=us@*RFC-822\BOC-L(a)LISTSERV.SPC.EDU at 3=internet at 2=telemail at MRZ@APVX29 ) Subject: Hollow Hippodays, ya'll! RFC-822-Headers: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Comments: To: hawkwind boc mailing list Craig Shipley wrote : > Just wanted to wish all of you a happy holiday season, as I am blowing > outta here until after the first. May it be a safe and happy season > for you all and may you find that special bit of music in your sock > come Christmas morn! (_Still_ haven't seen hide 'ner hair of either > the new Brock, House or HW CD's anywhere!!) > Now, be good and don't drink too much eggnog! Thats real nice. Happy holiday/christmas to you also. Chris O'Neill P.S - What IS eggnog ????? From dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU Tue Dec 19 20:09:39 1995 From: dcapehar at UTDALLAS.EDU (Le Monsieur Damon) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:09:39 -0600 Subject: Brock/House (was: Hippodays) In-Reply-To: <9512191655.AA17426@pyratl.ga.pyramid.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Craig Shipley wrote: > (_Still_ haven't seen hide 'ner hair of either the new Brock, House or > HW CD's anywhere!!) Recently talked to Mike Coleman, who says he does have (I think) Strange Trips, and while Yassassim *is* out, Mike hasn't gotten around to ordering them yet, but will soon. And I'm positive he has Alien. Damon From sjb20 at CORNELL.EDU Tue Dec 19 23:26:08 1995 From: sjb20 at CORNELL.EDU (Sharon Buczko) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 23:26:08 -0500 Subject: BOC Sir Rastus Bear Message-ID: >In the song redeemed, I'd always thought the chorus started > >"Goblins of Xerxes, villains of wise..." > >but the lyric sites all list it as > >"Goblins of surcease, villains..." I always thought it was Goblins of Circes, etc. I could be dead wrong, but I choose to believe it. **************************************************************** Behind closed eyes realize your sight Sharon Barrett sjb20 at cornell.edu or sharonb at capaccess.org ***************************************************************** From D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 20 04:29:38 1995 From: D.C.Chilton at BHAM.AC.UK (Derrick Chilton) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:29:38 +0000 Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE FOR X-MAS Message-ID: "UNSUBSCRIBE" for christmas help --------------------------------------------- E.Mail D.C.Chilton at bham.ac.uk "Sunrise Wrong Side of Another Day..." Kilminster. --------------------------------------------- From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Wed Dec 20 04:39:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:39:00 GMT Subject: HW: Alien, the word(s) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9512200041.aa23349 at uk.ac.ed.castle> > > 2nd track - ALIEN > > "What kind of receiver would be capable of processing these signals?" > "A system designed to modify the electromagnetic spectrum and carry > those messages directly to the human brain" from something???? js> Sounds like Commander Data (Brent Spiner) and the Enterprise computer (Majel Barrett) to me. Real Trekkies will be able to tell you which episode... :) - Andy From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 20 06:17:51 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:17:51 GMT Subject: Hawkwind:Nova Drive - questions In-Reply-To: M Holmes's message of Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:02:22 GMT Message-ID: M Holmes writes: > > cortesy of Bernhard: > > - born to go ramsgate 28.05.84 > > - spirit of the age k=F6ln 13.11.94 > > - nova drive doncaster 10.11.80 > > - alien boulder 23.04.95 > > - silver machine springfield 08.04.95 > > - sputnik stan boulder 23.04.95 > > - terra mystica studio > > - wastelands of sl. London 22.04.88 > > - only the dead dr. Oxford 06.10.78 > > - damage of live woolwich 03.06.89 > > - paradox birmingh 08.11.86 > > - magnu san franc. 07.10.89 > > - (do re mi...) boulder 23.04.95 So are any of these copies or edits of anything appearing elsewhere? I guess "Terra Mystica" must be. What about "Wastelands", "Damage of Life" and "Magnu"? Bernhard? Cheers FoFP From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Wed Dec 20 06:23:41 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 06:23:41 -0500 Subject: Brock/House (was: Hippodays) Message-ID: > >On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Craig Shipley wrote: > >> (_Still_ haven't seen hide 'ner hair of either the new Brock, House or >> HW CD's anywhere!!) > >Recently talked to Mike Coleman, who says he does have (I think) Strange >Trips, and while Yassassim *is* out, Mike hasn't gotten around to >ordering them yet, but will soon. And I'm positive he has Alien. > >Damon > > I found it as an import in a local alternative record store near me for about 20 bucks. ( Alien cd ) Duane -- " We are the warriors at the edge of time. " From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 20 06:21:48 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:21:48 GMT Subject: HW: Alien, the word(s) In-Reply-To: Andrew Gilham's message of Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:39:00 GMT Message-ID: Andrew Gilham writes: > In-Reply-To: <9512200041.aa23349 at uk.ac.ed.castle> > > > > > 2nd track - ALIEN > > > > "What kind of receiver would be capable of processing these signals?" > > "A system designed to modify the electromagnetic spectrum and carry > > those messages directly to the human brain" > from something???? js> > > Sounds like Commander Data (Brent Spiner) and the Enterprise computer > (Majel Barrett) to me. Isn't it a woman's voice though? My guess is that it's a clip from some SF B-movie from the 50's or 60's. Could be worth a post to SF newsgroups... > - Andy FoFP From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Wed Dec 20 06:24:35 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 06:24:35 -0500 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Xenon Codex Message-ID: >Hmm, its seems the main requirement to play in HW these days is >to work cheap >and don't ask for a raise (remember Bridget?). you must also remember that on the '91 us tour,she didn't make it because- erm- her boyfriend would not stand for it.i got this information from alan davey on that tour.i think i would have sacked her for that,too. rj From A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK Wed Dec 20 07:51:30 1995 From: A.Wilson at DERBY.AC.UK (Yuri Gagarin) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:51:30 +0000 Subject: Hollow Hippodays, ya'll! -Reply Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just wanted to wish all of you a happy holiday season, as I am blowing outta here until after the first. Craig <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Likewise, i hope the new sun brings all of you many pleasures (i know it will me, as my better half gets back from visiting her folks in jamaica tomorrow - and isn't she gonna love the weather :)) Enjoy folks, enjoy ObJollySeasonalSongs: Positive Vibrations - The Soft Boys From mxw at DMU.AC.UK Wed Dec 20 08:29:48 1995 From: mxw at DMU.AC.UK (Maxine Wesley) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:29:48 +0000 Subject: HW: Alien, & HappyPotomus In-Reply-To: <9512200041.aa23349@uk.ac.ed.castle> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, J Strobridge wrote: > Name > Age > Place of Birth > Race > Village > And Tribe > Carve ?deeply > Erase doubts as to who I am > As to who I am Sounds like Brock has been trying to decipher the boc-l directory? > Break, break > Transfer > Inscribe or in O.J. Simpson speke - Slash Slash And farwell t'ill the New Year... Happy X-mas all Over and Out Maxine From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Wed Dec 20 12:56:21 1995 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:56:21 U Subject: BOC Lyric book cartoons Message-ID: >I guess a few people here will have the BOC lyric book, in which case >maybe someone can answer this question: In the Imaginos section there are >some cartoons that go along with the lyrics to the song "Blue Oyster >Cult". However, they are unsigned. Does anyone know who drew these? Albert? Never heard of the book - is it still available? Cheers, Rich. ** The grave of Karl Marx is just another Communist plot ** From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Wed Dec 20 08:42:37 1995 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 05:42:37 -0800 Subject: HW: Alien, the word(s) In-Reply-To: <9512201121.aa00475@uk.ac.ed.castle> from "M Holmes" at Dec 20, 95 11:21:48 am Message-ID: > Andrew Gilham writes: > > In-Reply-To: <9512200041.aa23349 at uk.ac.ed.castle> > > > "What kind of receiver would be capable of processing these signals?" > > > "A system designed to modify the electromagnetic spectrum and carry > > > those messages directly to the human brain" > > from something???? js> > > Sounds like Commander Data (Brent Spiner) and the Enterprise computer > > (Majel Barrett) to me. > > Isn't it a woman's voice though? My guess is that it's a clip from some SF > B-movie from the 50's or 60's. I think the answer, from teh computer is from Star Trek. It sounds like Majel Barrett in her computer role. I didn't think the question, though, sounded like Data. Guess I'd better listen a few more times (I only got it Monday night (and I think my boss in the next cubicle at work is already sick of hearing it, since I had it on repeat play all day yesterday, except when Win95 was crashing)). -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome From ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Wed Dec 20 09:36:42 1995 From: ISTS018 at UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU (Doug) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:36:42 CST Subject: HW: Alien, the word(s) Message-ID: >> "What kind of receiver would be capable of processing these signals?" >> "A system designed to modify the electromagnetic spectrum and carry >> those messages directly to the human brain" > from something???? js> While channel surfing late last night the movie Airplane was coming on and I noticed in the opening scene a background voice: "The white zone is for loading and unloading only". I'm almost sure this is the source used in the title cut from the White Zone CD. Also how 'bout that funny sticker on WZ that mentions the "classic track Boznia"? Jeeezzz, its Death of War from Electric Teepee... Doug Supernatural, Extraterrestrial :-) From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Dec 20 10:22:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:22:00 EST Subject: HW: The words Message-ID: I have to admire Jill's ability to discern the words on Alien. I have a hard time picking out HW lyrics, unlike most other bands. It took a long time for me to figure out all the responses to "it is written" in "Assassins of Allah" until I found the clearest version. On the adjective for the "garden of delights" I think I've caught a "golden" and something more guttural on live versions, but can't be sure. Had it not been for the lyric sheet, I'd never have gotten "your life's entwined with mine" from "Needle Gun," no matter how often I listened to it. "Your life would soon be mine" was my best guess, based on what I figured made sense. Jill, you're right that HW isn't the cheeriest band as far as lyrics, but somehow the music and the manner they're sung compensates. "Damnation Alley" makes the run through a radiation wasteland sound like something worth trying, for example. I gather the same effect occurs for "Festival". The concept of the enemy within is just something that really resonates with my own fears. I can't figure out why HW put so much effort into making the lyric content so weighty and then they make them so hard to figure out. I'm always apologizing for the vocal mix to people I try to turn on to HW. I usually say, "It's like impressionistic art, meant to suggest something to the ear rather than be very distinct." Rudy From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Dec 20 11:12:27 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:12:27 -0500 Subject: Hollow Hippodays, ya'll! Message-ID: >Chris O'Neill > > >P.S - What IS eggnog ????? I think its the same as advocaat. Merry Xmas Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Dec 20 11:19:22 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:19:22 -0500 Subject: HW: Alien, the word(s) Message-ID: > 2nd track - ALIEN >> >> "What kind of receiver would be capable of processing these signals?" >> "A system designed to modify the electromagnetic spectrum and carry >> those messages directly to the human brain" > from something???? js> > >Sounds like Commander Data (Brent Spiner) and the Enterprise computer >(Majel Barrett) to me. Real Trekkies will be able to tell you which >episode... :) > >- Andy Exactly. I think its the one where Jordi gets captured by the Romulans and brainwashed. He is then controlled by electromagnetic signals from the Romulans which are picked up and processed by his visor and carried to his brain down his optic nerve. Not really a real trekkie Martyn From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Dec 20 11:21:28 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:21:28 -0500 Subject: HW: Nicknames & Xenon Codex Message-ID: >and don't ask for a raise (remember Bridget?). >you must also remember that on the '91 us tour,she didn't >make it because- erm- her boyfriend would not stand for it.i got this Damn right I wouldn't :-) M From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Wed Dec 20 11:46:15 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:46:15 EST Subject: Hollow Hippodays, ya'll! Message-ID: > >Chris O'Neill > > > > > >P.S - What IS eggnog ????? > > I think its the same as advocaat. Merry Xmas > > Martyn Martyn, How the hell did you know what advocaat is? I thought it was strictly a continental quaff. I've seen it with French labeling, calling it 'avocat.' Anyway, in the U.S., egg nog is usually made with brandy or bourbon, I believe. theo From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Dec 20 11:45:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:45:00 EST Subject: HW: Alien, the word(s) Message-ID: > 2nd track - ALIEN >> >> "What kind of receiver would be capable of processing these signals?" >> "A system designed to modify the electromagnetic spectrum and carry >> those messages directly to the human brain" > from something???? js> > >Sounds like Commander Data (Brent Spiner) and the Enterprise computer >(Majel Barrett) to me. Real Trekkies will be able to tell you which >episode... :) > >- Andy I would have guessed the episode where Picard was converted to a Borg. I'm a casual watcher, but the hard core crew now want to be referred to as _Trekkers_. Martyn may be right though. From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Dec 20 12:00:49 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:00:49 -0500 Subject: Hollow Hippodays, ya'll! Message-ID: In a message dated 95-12-20 11:54:09 EST, you write: >Anyway, in the U.S., egg nog is >usually made with brandy or bourbon, I believe. >theo I thought it was rum? ROBO From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 20 12:05:23 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:05:23 GMT Subject: OTH: Hollow Hippodays, ya'll! In-Reply-To: Martyn White's message of Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:12:27 -0500 Message-ID: > >Chris O'Neill > > > > > >P.S - What IS eggnog ????? > > I think its the same as advocaat. Merry Xmas > I used to think that was a bird - but that's an avocet (or something similar). jill still working 8-(( ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 20 12:11:28 1995 From: eset08 at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (J Strobridge) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:11:28 GMT Subject: OTH: Hollow Hippodays, ya'll! In-Reply-To: Ted O. Jackson's message of Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:46:15 EST Message-ID: > > >Chris O'Neill > > > > > > > > >P.S - What IS eggnog ????? > > > > I think its the same as advocaat. Merry Xmas > > > > Martyn > Martyn, > How the hell did you know what advocaat is? I thought it was > strictly a continental quaff. I've seen it with French labeling, > calling it 'avocat.' Ah that must be why I thought it was a bird. > Anyway, in the U.S., egg nog is > usually made with brandy or bourbon, I believe. Warniks to all jill ========================================================================== J.D.Strobridge at ed.ac.uk eset08 at castle.ed.ac.uk ELIJSA at srv0.arts.ed.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Andrew_Arnold/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS at CRD.LOTUS.COM Wed Dec 20 12:39:49 1995 From: Andrew_Arnold/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS at CRD.LOTUS.COM (Andrew Arnold/CAM/Lotus) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:39:49 EST Subject: Eggnog Recipe Message-ID: Here is the "easy" version 6 eggs 6 cups milk Sugar to taste Pinch of salt Half-pint Bourban Half-pint Dark Rum Beat eggs with salt. Add milk and mix well. Put in saucepan and stir over a low flame until thickened. DO NOT LET IT BOIL!!!! Add sugar to taste, around a half cup Add liquor. Chill. Pour into frost cups and sprinkle nutmeg on top. In the hard version you seperate the eggs, making the yolks into a thin custard sauce, and whipping the whites to a froth, then folding them into to the sauce-liquor mix. Anyway, I am new to this list so I assume you all know about _The Stoned Age_ right? From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Wed Dec 20 12:40:49 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:40:49 GMT Subject: The Jackal And Nine EP Message-ID: Just got this "Anubian Lights" EP from C&D Records. I haven't heard it yet. The tracks are: Jackal And Nine (Biocosmic Energy Mix) 12-24-2011 The Ba & The Ka Soul Herder (live) Pulse of the Nile (Power of the Z-PH Mix) Arcing Into an Infinite Galaxy Jackal And Nine (Ramses II Mix) The front cover has a stylised piccy of the Sphynx flying through the sky with two pyramids and a UFO. The back cover has an arial view of the pyramids, Sphynx and the Nile delta. FoFP From mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU Wed Dec 20 13:00:59 1995 From: mccolmp at MAIL.AUBURN.EDU (Michael P Mccollum) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:00:59 -0600 Subject: HW: Alien, the word(s) In-Reply-To: <9512201619.AA10976@borg.med.ecu.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, Martyn White wrote: > > 2nd track - ALIEN > >> > >> "What kind of receiver would be capable of processing these signals?" > >> "A system designed to modify the electromagnetic spectrum and carry > >> those messages directly to the human brain" >> from something???? js> > > > >Sounds like Commander Data (Brent Spiner) and the Enterprise computer > >(Majel Barrett) to me. Real Trekkies will be able to tell you which > >episode... :) > > > >- Andy > > Exactly. I think its the one where Jordi gets captured by > the Romulans and brainwashed. He is then controlled by electromagnetic > signals from the Romulans which are picked up and processed by his visor > and carried to his brain down his optic nerve. > > Not really a real trekkie > > Martyn > on the 95 us tour i got to talk to alan davey -he said that they were all big trek fans and watched as much as they could -so i guess this is kind of a tribute - also the opening twank-zoom sound in beam me up and eye that looks within sounds very much like the photon torpedo effect used in star trek. -mike psyche From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Wed Dec 20 13:19:01 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:19:01 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind:Nova Drive - questions Message-ID: >> >For the Codex etc it would be good to find out where the tracks on "Nova >> >Drive" come from. >> >> - born to go ramsgate 28.05.84 you may notice the "Paranoia" sequence in the codex >FoFP \\joe From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Dec 20 13:22:10 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:22:10 -0500 Subject: BOC Lyric book cartoons Message-ID: In a message dated 95-12-20 08:38:10 EST, you write: >Never heard of the book - is it still available? > >Cheers, > >Rich. > >** The grave of Karl Marx is just another Communist plot ** as far as I know it is still available thru the BOC Fan Club...email them bocfanclub at aol.com ROBO vonFrankenDUDE ** Karl Marx has risen from the grave ** From frankw at COMM.MOT.COM Wed Dec 20 13:29:53 1995 From: frankw at COMM.MOT.COM (Frank Weil) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:29:53 -0600 Subject: The Jackal And Nine EP In-Reply-To: M Holmes "The Jackal And Nine EP" (Dec 20, 5:40pm) Message-ID: M Holmes wrote: > Just got this "Anubian Lights" EP from C&D Records. I haven't heard it > yet. > FoFP It sounds interesting. Is C&D Records the store you got it from or the label? I would think they would still on Hypnotic/Cleopatra. Frank -- ============================================================================== Frank Weil | frankw at comm.mot.com | phone: (708) 576-3110 | fax: (708) 576-3240 I went to a general store. They wouldn't let me buy anything specifically. -- Steven Wright From ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU Wed Dec 20 13:31:31 1995 From: ben at ST-CANARD.SPC.EDU (Ben Cohen) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:31:31 -0500 Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE FOR X-MAS In-Reply-To: <9512200929.AA15389@sun1.bham.ac.uk> from "Derrick Chilton" at Dec 20, 95 09:29:38 am Message-ID: >"UNSUBSCRIBE" for christmas help You have two options here. 1) Unsubscribe now and re-subscribe later. This involves sending mail to with a message text of "unsub boc-l" and a later resubscribe "sub boc-l " 2) Disable mail now and re-enable it later. Same sort of process, but with different messages. These would be "set boc-l nomail" and "set boc-l mail" afterwards. You're technically still subscribed in the meanwhile. YnSSHM, Ben From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Wed Dec 20 14:18:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:18:00 EST Subject: Tune out for XMAS Message-ID: Another option to the "unsubscribe" and the suspend mode is to request the digest version. You'll get 1 chunk of mail a day and won't miss anything. You send "set BOC-L DIGEST" to do it, "set BOC-L NODIGEST" to restore when you return. You'll get a mini digest to cover the messages between the last digest and your restoral. I like it when I'm away. Rudy From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Dec 20 14:35:21 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:35:21 -0500 Subject: New to list Message-ID: >Anyway, I am new to this list so I assume you all know about >_The Stoned Age_ right? Yep. I'm fairly (about a month or so) new also. Make sure you read the FAQ, it answers a whole bunch of stuff, and reads quite nicely. Wheresyou located? ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From mordru at MAGG.NET Wed Dec 20 14:35:23 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:35:23 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind - Opa-Loka Message-ID: Okay, just listened to this for the first time when I got it last week, and have to ask... is there any connection with the name of this piece and the town of the same name (a suburb of Miami). Heck, I don't know where the town got it's name, but it does have an airport and is a very good alternative to flying into Miami International if you ever have the chance... much less traffic to go through... Actually, looking at the map, the town is spelled "Opa-Locka".... still, too much of a coincidence, there has to be a connection, I think... ----------------------------+------------------------------------- Roger Shrubstaff (Andrew A. Apold) Chancellor "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Wed Dec 20 14:53:54 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:53:54 -0500 Subject: Egg-nog on the edge of time Message-ID: > > > > >Martyn, >How the hell did you know what advocaat is? I thought it was >strictly a continental quaff. I've seen it with French labeling, >calling it 'avocat.' Anyway, in the U.S., egg nog is >usually made with brandy or bourbon, I believe. >theo Well I grew up in England and me mum would buy herself a bottle of Advocaat for Xmas-time. Nasty-lookin yellow stuff with a tendency to separate into a watery phase and a congealed phase. >>Anyway, in the U.S., egg nog is >>usually made with brandy or bourbon, I believe. >>theo > >I thought it was rum? > >ROBO hmmmm. I wonder if you can make it with gin :-) >I used to think that was a bird - but that's an avocet (or something >similar). > >jill Avocet /n. / wading bird with long legs and upturned bill. [F f. It.] >still working 8-(( me too >Here is the "easy" version > >6 eggs >6 cups milk >>>Sugar to taste >Pinch of salt >Half-pint Bourban >Half-pint Dark Rum > >Beat eggs with salt. >Add milk and mix well. >Put in saucepan and stir over a low flame until thickened. >DO NOT LET IT BOIL!!!! >Add sugar to taste, around a half cup >Add liquor. >Chill. >Pour into frost cups and sprinkle nutmeg on top. > >In the hard version you seperate the eggs, making the yolks >into a thin custard sauce, and whipping the whites to a froth, then >folding them into to the sauce-liquor mix. > > Very cheap and easy version. One carton of "Egg Nog" (nonalcoholic US grocery store version) One pint of "Old Grandad" Carefully add the "Old Grandad" to the "Egg Nog" taking care not to spill any Drink immediately Merry Xmas Martyn From gnome at TELEPORT.COM Wed Dec 20 16:57:36 1995 From: gnome at TELEPORT.COM (Kevin Haskel Rubin) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:57:36 -0800 Subject: HW: Reruns In-Reply-To: <199512201445.JAA26165@listserv.spc.edu> from "Doug" at Dec 20, 95 08:36:42 am Message-ID: Doug wrote: > Also how 'bout that funny sticker on WZ that mentions the "classic track > Boznia"? Jeeezzz, its Death of War from Electric Teepee... I had that sticker on Strange Trips & Pipe Dreams. Is that song (and sticker) on White Zone, too? For a veteran of the Psychedelic Warlords, there is a lot of repeat stuff on Strange Trips. A lot of Alien 4 sounds familiar. Not whole songs, but bits and pieces of them, sound like bits and pieces of other HW songs. But Ron Tree sounds almost completely new. -kevin -- Kevin Rubin aka 3999RK60 RU5M7I Co-Op Network Operations Manager gnome at teleport.com Oregon Coast Rural Information Service Cooperative http://www.teleport.com/~gnome From cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK Wed Dec 20 17:48:42 1995 From: cea20 at CUS.CAM.AC.UK (Carl E. Anderson) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:48:42 +0000 Subject: OFF: nomailing for yule! Message-ID: Well, I'm joining the ranks of the seasonally parted. See y'all later. I'll do a polka for you all on NYE ;) CHeers, Carl From delacour at UNM.EDU Wed Dec 20 21:57:52 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:57:52 -0700 Subject: BOC Lyric book cartoons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Hardman DK wrote: > Gee, the BOC folks are quiet here today. Feel like I'm talking to > myself. Still here's a question anyway.... > > I guess a few people here will have the BOC lyric book, in which case > maybe someone can answer this question: In the Imaginos section there are > some cartoons that go along with the lyrics to the song "Blue Oyster > Cult". However, they are unsigned. Does anyone know who drew these? Albert? > > Dave > Dave-Drawings, I believe, were all done by Buck's son, Zeke on a comp- uter.......Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Dec 20 23:41:34 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 23:41:34 -0500 Subject: HW: Need Definitions Message-ID: A. What the hell is a "battery hen"? They're not too adept at flying, I presume? Perhaps a mechanical wind-up toy? B. Looked up "identimate" in the big fat Webster's dictionary...no luck. What do people guess (or know)? C. "Suss" - After hearing this in several HW songs (but never anywhere else), I've gathered it means to "understand", "comprehend", or maybe to "deal with", etc... Common British slang term? Chuck From ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM Thu Dec 21 19:30:00 1995 From: ABrevard at SHIWAS01.WASHINGTON.MM2.SHL.COM (BREVARD Adrian R.) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:30:00 PST Subject: Happy Holidays and Directory Delay Message-ID: Apologies list members but the directory file has blown up on me again and will have to be fixed. The few changes necesarry will be distributed shortly after I return from the holidays. A sincere wish that you and yours enjoy the holidays. Good health and good times to all. Happy Kwanza. AB From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Thu Dec 21 00:12:38 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 00:12:38 -0500 Subject: HW: Need Definitions In-Reply-To: <01HZ1R9PSPFC9EEYAA@delphi.com> from "HERBERT119@DELPHI.COM" at Dec 20, 95 11:41:34 pm Message-ID: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM writes: > A. What the hell is a "battery hen"? They're not too adept at > flying, I presume? Perhaps a mechanical wind-up toy? Battery hens are probably best known as "factory farmed" hens in the USA. They are hens which are dramatically confined in tiny cages and live only to lay eggs, production-line fashion. There are also "barn" hens and "free range" hens (in ascending order of non-cruelty). See Jill's post on the phrase "battery hen" from way back for exhaustive detail. Anyway, it makes the imagery all the more striking---the clone ultimately likening himself to an anonymous battery hen. Great line! > C. "Suss" - After hearing this in several HW songs (but never > anywhere else), I've gathered it means to "understand", > "comprehend", or maybe to "deal with", etc... Common British > slang term? Yes, you sussed it. :-) (It means "understand," "comprehend," "figure out," etc.) Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _Burnt Weeny Sandwich_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. "Why, even this doggerel that flows from my pen Has just been written by another Twenty [thousand] telepathic men It says, ``Oh for the wings of any bird Other than a battery hen...'' And that's the spirit of the age" --- Hawkwind, "Spirit Of The Age," _Quark, Strangeness and Charm_ From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Dec 21 00:12:10 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 00:12:10 -0500 Subject: Eggnog Recipe Message-ID: Did someone say "frost cups"? --DF From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Thu Dec 21 20:54:08 1995 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 15:54:08 -1000 Subject: HW: Need Definitions Message-ID: >A. What the hell is a "battery hen"? They're not too adept at >flying, I presume? Perhaps a mechanical wind-up toy? They are hens kept in cages for "farming" eggs. The cages, as I understand it, have sloping floors so the eggs roll forward into troughs for easy collection. As a commercial enterprise they are probably very efficient, though they do come in for some flak here in Oz for being somewhat inhumane. Often there are hundreds, maybe thousands, of hens kept on the premises under these conditions. >B. Looked up "identimate" in the big fat Webster's >dictionary...no luck. What do people guess (or know)? No idea, sorry. >C. "Suss" - After hearing this in several HW songs (but never >anywhere else), I've gathered it means to "understand", >"comprehend", or maybe to "deal with", etc... Common British >slang term? Yep, in Oz, too. You can e.g. "suss" the situation (get the lay of the land, so to speak), or have someone "sussed" (know what they're up to). We sometimes use it to mean "suspect" or "suspicious" i.e. something seems dodgy or too good to be true ("Healthy and happy battery hens? That sounds a bit suss.") > >Chuck > > Have a good one, Pete. (Looking forward to a week off) ObCD: The Tea Party *The Edges of Twilight* ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Thu Dec 21 01:40:47 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:40:47 -0500 Subject: HW: Need Definitions Message-ID: Ah, so "suss" is short for "suspect", sort of. Reminds me of the American slang term that has arisen (particularly in the black sector) - "diss", short for disrespect. Thanks to Peter and Paul for definitions. Now all we need is "indentimate"...could be a toughie, since there are no lyrics to that song anyway... Could just be a Brockword...after all, isn't "Magnu"? Ahh, the Tea Party!! I was wondering when someone here was gonna mention that band. Brilliant stuff. I recommend this to people who like sitars in rock. And to people who would like a band that sounds a whole lot like Led Zeppelin w/a Jim Morrison-like singer. Chuck From Chris.C.O'Neill at APVXC1.PHARMACEUTICALS.ZENECA.TMAILUK.SPRINT.COM Thu Dec 21 05:05:00 1995 From: Chris.C.O'Neill at APVXC1.PHARMACEUTICALS.ZENECA.TMAILUK.SPRINT.COM (Chris O'Neill - ZC&TS (Tel 01625 515603)) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 05:05:00 -0500 Subject: Hollow Hippodays, ya'll! Message-ID: From: BOC/Hawkwind Discussion List Date: 20-Dec-1995 19:08 1=us@*RFC-822\BOC-L(a)LISTSERV.SPC.EDU at 3=internet at 2=telemail at MRZ@APVX29 TO: Multiple recipients of list BOC-L ( 1=us@*RFC-822\BOC-L(a)LISTSERV.SPC.EDU at 3=internet at 2=telemail at MRZ@APVX29 ) Subject: Re: Hollow Hippodays, ya'll! RFC-822-Headers: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) > > >Chris O'Neill > > > > > > > >P.S - What IS eggnog ????? > > > > I think its the same as advocaat. Merry Xmas > > > Martyn Hmmm, l always thought Advocaat was something lawyers did :-) Regards Chris O'Neill ------------- From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Thu Dec 21 09:46:13 1995 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:46:13 U Subject: HW: Need Definitions Message-ID: >A. What the hell is a "battery hen"? They're not too adept at >flying, I presume? Perhaps a mechanical wind-up toy? An intensively farmed chicken - basically kept in a cage no bigger than the chicken, unable to turn round or stretch wings. >B. Looked up "identimate" in the big fat Webster's >dictionary...no luck. What do people guess (or know)? >C. "Suss" - After hearing this in several HW songs (but never >anywhere else), I've gathered it means to "understand", >"comprehend", or maybe to "deal with", etc... Common British >slang term? Yip. Understand, work out (suss out), comprehend. Not really "to deal with". Cheers, Rich. ** The grave of Karl Marx is just another Communist plot ** From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Thu Dec 21 06:52:41 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:52:41 GMT Subject: The Jackal And Nine EP In-Reply-To: Frank Weil's message of Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:29:53 -0600 Message-ID: Frank Weil writes: > M Holmes wrote: > > Just got this "Anubian Lights" EP from C&D Records. I haven't heard it > > yet. > > > FoFP > > It sounds interesting. Is C&D Records the store you got it from or > the label? I would think they would still on Hypnotic/Cleopatra. It's a mail order store in Scotland. I guess it will come out on Cleopatra. FoFP From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Dec 21 05:34:47 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 21:34:47 +1100 Subject: HW: Alien lyrics Message-ID: On 18 Dec 95 J Strobridge wrote about Re: HW: Alien lyrics: > Interestingly most of the lyrics do seem to hang together and make a > quite a good conceptual album in total. Just quietly (yep ... I'm still around), I think that the 'concept' aspect sort of falls apart at 'Festivals', and *starts* coming back together with 'Am I losing my Mind?'. I like the tracks in between OK, but I'm not sure that they fit on the album (fine on the EP tho!) A. Soniqu=E9 -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Dec 21 05:40:41 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 21:40:41 +1100 Subject: HW: Alien, the word(s) Message-ID: On 20 Dec 95 J Strobridge wrote about HW: Alien, the word(s): > 1st track: ABDUCTED > It's like the larva inside the ?leather-faced? skin of a half-dark I think it's 'Lizard-faced'. > 2nd track - ALIEN > > "What kind of receiver would be capable of processing these signals?" Is this Cmdr. Data from STtNG ? > "A system designed to modify the electromagnetic spectrum and carry > those messages directly to the human brain" from something???? js> And is this the Enterprise's Computer ? A. Soniqu=E9 -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Thu Dec 21 05:44:48 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul G Ward) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 21:44:48 +1100 Subject: HW: Need Definitions Message-ID: On 20 Dec 95 HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM wrote about HW: Need Definitions: > A. What the hell is a "battery hen"? They're not too adept at > flying, I presume? Perhaps a mechanical wind-up toy? It's a Chook (well that's what us Aussies call Chickens) that has been readered in a cage for the sole purpose of producing eggs (for all those eggnogs?) > C. "Suss" - After hearing this in several HW songs (but never > anywhere else), I've gathered it means to "understand", > "comprehend", or maybe to "deal with", etc... Common British > slang term? It can mean 'Suspect' (as in not to be trusted), but in this case it does mean understand A. Soniqu=E9 -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Dec 21 07:07:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:07:00 GMT Subject: HW: Identimate Message-ID: Just a speculation, but the "identi-" prefix suggests "identikit", and "mate" suggests, well, "mate", so maybe its about a (sexist?) fantasy of specifying one's mate by genetic engineering and/or cloning or robotics technology? Similar sort of idea to Neil Young's "Sample and Hold" ("when you specify/the color of skin and eye/we know you'll be happy"), Ian Watson's novel _Orgasmachine_, etc etc? - Andy From SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET Thu Dec 21 11:39:07 1995 From: SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET (Sebastian Welton) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:39:07 EWT Subject: Regarding: BOC-L Digest - 20 Dec 1995 to 21 Dec 1995 Message-ID: >Ah, so "suss" is short for "suspect", sort of. Reminds me of Although not really list related, prior to the CJB (the draconian Criminal Justice Bill which would make any Hawkwind free festival immediately illegal in Britain on 2 counts - a gathering and repetitive beats) there was actually a law in Britain called SUS. This was if the police had any suspicion that you may be about to break the law they could arrest you and hold you without any charges for 24 hours. The Ruts wrote a great tune about it - SUS. Cheers Seb ObCD: Intoxicated Man - Mick Harvey (Bad Seed plays Serge Gainsbourg.) S.J.Welton MVS & VM Operations and Automation Analyst ECNOD/CS/MGCS European Space Operations Centre (ESA), 64293 Darmstadt, Deutschland SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET | DE27PSNP at IBMMAIL | Telephone ++49 6151 902570 C=DE;A=DBP;O=ESOC;S=WELTON;G=SEBASTIAN site=ESOC username=SWELTON From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Thu Dec 21 08:18:26 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:18:26 EST Subject: Hollow Hippodays, ya'll! Message-ID: > > > > > Martyn > > Hmmm, l always thought Advocaat was something lawyers did :-) > > > > > Regards > > Chris O'Neill > ------------- Avocat is the French word for Lawyer. theo From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Dec 21 08:39:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:39:00 EST Subject: HW: Identimate Message-ID: The thing that struck me is that this could be a surveillance or biometric identifier for telling who is a "friendly". I even think there is a hand geometry reader or fingerprint reader that goes by that name. I do a lot of work with biometric equipment and see a lot of products that don't fit current needs, so I don't remember them all by brand name. Dave Brock is also concerned about electronic surveillance, so this is a plausible alternative. Rudy From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Thu Dec 21 14:39:12 1995 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 14:39:12 U Subject: HW: Identimate Message-ID: >Similar sort of idea to Neil Young's "Sample and Hold" ("when you >specify/the color of skin and eye/we know you'll be happy"), Ian Watson's >novel _Orgasmachine_, etc etc? That's a good idea - but I'll go listen to Orgasmatron instead. Does anyone know of a Motorhead list? Cheers, Rich. ** The grave of Karl Marx is just another Communist plot ** From Andrew_Arnold/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS at CRD.LOTUS.COM Thu Dec 21 13:58:52 1995 From: Andrew_Arnold/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS at CRD.LOTUS.COM (Andrew Arnold/CAM/Lotus) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:58:52 EST Subject: Sorry Message-ID: my apologies for the erroneous listserv command "letter." From white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU Thu Dec 21 14:08:21 1995 From: white at BORG.MED.ECU.EDU (Martyn White) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 14:08:21 -0500 Subject: Motorhead Info Reply Message-ID: For Motorhead information, check out the following WWW page. Some excellent pictures are her http://fermi.clas.virginia.edu/~sha3u/motorhead/motorhead.html (Motorhead Home Page) Martyn h From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Thu Dec 21 02:45:06 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:45:06 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind:Nova Drive - questions Message-ID: At 11:17 20.12.95 GMT, you wrote: >M Holmes writes: >> > cortesy of Bernhard: >> > - born to go ramsgate 28.05.84 >> > - spirit of the age k=F6ln 13.11.94 >> > - nova drive doncaster 10.11.80 >> > - alien boulder 23.04.95 >> > - silver machine springfield 08.04.95 >> > - sputnik stan boulder 23.04.95 >> > - terra mystica studio >> > - wastelands of sl. London 22.04.88 >> > - only the dead dr. Oxford 06.10.78 >> > - damage of live woolwich 03.06.89 >> > - paradox birmingh 08.11.86 >> > - magnu san franc. 07.10.89 >> > - (do re mi...) boulder 23.04.95 > >So are any of these copies or edits of anything appearing elsewhere? > >I guess "Terra Mystica" must be. What about "Wastelands", "Damage of >Life" and "Magnu"? > >Bernhard? At first: Of course they all ONLY appear on LIVE TAPES except: - TERRA MYSTICA appears on the BUSINES TRIP viny double LP - WASTELANDS OF SLEEP appears on the BBC broadcast recording Thats all cheers Bernhard ==================================================================== BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de From mordru at MAGG.NET Thu Dec 21 18:01:35 1995 From: mordru at MAGG.NET (Andrew A. Apold) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 18:01:35 -0500 Subject: Flat Out Message-ID: Well, got the Flat Out T-shirt in the mail, looks good, flat tire with the words superimposed on a nice shirt, good construction. The rim shows up nice but the tire is a bit hard to see on the black background. I normally take XXL, but this does fine at XL. Cool. Buck included a note saying he's trying to get Flat Out on CD here in the states next year, saying he'll "talk to a record company" and convince them. No word of what company, though. Anyways, nice shirt. Roger Shrubstaff "I was corrupt before I had power!" - Random Chancellor Barony of Silverwater Kingdom of the Burning Lands (Andrew A. Apold) From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Thu Dec 21 18:43:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 18:43:00 -0500 Subject: Debs Out There? Message-ID: ON Thu, 21 Dec 1995 00:12:10 -0500 Deb Frost wrote: >Did someone say "frost cups"? >--DF Hey!!!!! I thought you got pissed off and unsubscribed during the last Johnny Blaze Flame fest?? I was gonna tell ya how much I enjoy EPO and COC, but didn't cuz I figgered you twernt there no more! Welcome back! Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com OBTHANG: "Christmas TIME, free your MIND, let LOVE UN WIND!!" -Santa Klaws "The Warrior of Christmas" From p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU Fri Dec 22 18:45:52 1995 From: p.sondergeld at QUT.EDU.AU (Peter Sondergeld) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:45:52 -1000 Subject: OFF: Pavlov's Dog (almost BOC) Message-ID: I read in the FAQ some time ago that Allen Lanier did some keyboards for Pavlov's Dog (there's the BOC link). I've often wondered whatever became of that band. Does anyone know? I've got *At the Sound of the Bell* and *Pampered Menial*, I've heard what I believe was their first album (the name escapes me now), and I've seen in the import section another CD titled (I think) *Lost in America* Did they do any others? Is there any truth in the rumour I've heard that David Surkamp is dead? Email me direct if preferred. Pete. ************************** Peter Sondergeld p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au From tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU Thu Dec 21 23:03:39 1995 From: tox at WJH.HARVARD.EDU (Tox) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:03:39 -0500 Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE FOR X-MAS In-Reply-To: <9512200929.AA15389@sun1.bham.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, Derrick Chilton wrote: > "UNSUBSCRIBE" for christmas help > Ditto for oneself (tox at isr.harvard.edu) From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Thu Dec 21 23:54:56 1995 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:54:56 -0500 Subject: OFF: Stratocasters Message-ID: Robo sez: >I had the most fascinating dream last night...I dreamt I was at some music >festival of some sort where there had been alot of bands playing and >such...just as I was about to depart the evening's activities, I bumped into >one of the evening's performers Dave Edmunds (Rockpile!) who gave me a guitar >saying that he "didn't need it"... >anywho, it was the most beautiful guitar I ever saw! it was hollow-bodied, >metallic green with a grey fretboard (the frets were green as well), and >"Fender" was in prominent lettering across the body... >What the does the dream mean, and of all people, why in hell did Dave >Edmunds give me the guitar? I saw Nick Lowe jamming with Elvis Costello one time and he was playing a metallic green Grestch semi-hollow body. Maybe Edmunds gave you Nick's guitar because he wanted him to concintrate on his bass playing. Maybe it was just a drunken prank? One time we crossed paths with Rockpile in the airport in Detroit and it appeared that they all were drunk at 10 AM. >1) whatever happened to Dave Edmunds, anywho? Cool new box set of his old sh*t sounds pretty good. >2) Did Fender ever make a hollow-bodied Stratocaster, and was there any that >fits this description? No, it was a Grestch I tell you. Al From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Dec 22 11:30:39 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 17:30:39 +0100 Subject: OFF: Office Christmas Party Message-ID: I just got back from the office Christmas breakup party ..... with my new Self-Trepenation kit under my arm! A while back I posted the 'article' on Trepenation (which appeared on this list a while back) to the noticeboard at work, so the guy who had me for 'Kris Kringle' made me the kit. It is just a 1 5/16" hole saw, and a medical dressing kit ... but I still thought it was pretty cool! The (slightly modified) instruction sheet sez: "GAMFLEX HOLESAWS For use on steels, cast iron, non-ferrous metals, wood and plastics, and bone. Follow R.P.M. chart as closely as possible - too high a speed will result in loss of life" Cherry Mistmas All! -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri Dec 22 10:34:37 1995 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:34:37 U Subject: OFF: Stratocasters Message-ID: >2) Did Fender ever make a hollow-bodied Stratocaster, and was there any that >fits this description? Hollow thinline tele's - but no strats that I'm aware of. Cheers, Rich. ** Who used to work for The Guitar Magazine ** ** And so is probably wrong. ** From richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK Fri Dec 22 11:26:46 1995 From: richard.lockwood at TPD.CO.UK (Richard Lockwood) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 11:26:46 U Subject: Seez y'all Message-ID: See you in the New Year - and remember, drink beer, smoke tabs. Cheers, Rich. ** SupakalifragelisticBorussiaMunchengladbach ** From TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU Fri Dec 22 08:30:22 1995 From: TOJACKSO at HAWK.SYR.EDU (Ted O. Jackson) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 08:30:22 EST Subject: OFF: Pavlov's Dog (almost BOC) Message-ID: > > I read in the FAQ some time ago that Allen Lanier did some keyboards for > Pavlov's Dog (there's the BOC link). I've often wondered whatever became of > that band. Does anyone know? > I've got *At the Sound of the Bell* and *Pampered Menial*, I've heard what I > believe was their first album (the name escapes me now), and I've seen in > the import section another CD titled (I think) *Lost in America* Did they do > any others? > Is there any truth in the rumour I've heard that David Surkamp is dead? > Email me direct if preferred. > Pete. > > > ************************** > Peter Sondergeld > p.sondergeld at qut.edu.au Pete, I saw Pavlov's Dog at a FREE concert at Saratoga, opening for BOC. Actually, the lineup was Journey (circa great first album, before the Michael Bolton clone came along for singing) then Pavlov, then BOC. This was just as OYFOOYK was released, and they were giving away copies of it as well as the Pavlov and Journey lps. Wasn't Pavlov a Pearlman/Krugman production? Not sure about that, but that would explain Allen playing on their lp. Anyway, we got second row seats at a free concert to see BOC. Tough life, for sure. theo From fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK Fri Dec 22 10:59:06 1995 From: fofp at CASTLE.ED.AC.UK (M Holmes) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 15:59:06 GMT Subject: Hawkwind:Nova Drive - questions In-Reply-To: Bernhard Pospiech's message of Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:45:06 +0100 Message-ID: Bernhard Pospiech writes: > At 11:17 20.12.95 GMT, you wrote: > >M Holmes writes: > > >> > cortesy of Bernhard: > >> > - born to go ramsgate 28.05.84 > >> > - spirit of the age k=F6ln 13.11.94 > >> > - nova drive doncaster 10.11.80 > >> > - alien boulder 23.04.95 > >> > - silver machine springfield 08.04.95 > >> > - sputnik stan boulder 23.04.95 > >> > - terra mystica studio > >> > - wastelands of sl. London 22.04.88 > >> > - only the dead dr. Oxford 06.10.78 > >> > - damage of live woolwich 03.06.89 > >> > - paradox birmingh 08.11.86 > >> > - magnu san franc. 07.10.89 > >> > - (do re mi...) boulder 23.04.95 What is this last track? It isn't listed on my "Nova Drive" CD... Thanks for the info and merry xmas to you. Cheers Mike From bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE Fri Dec 22 18:15:56 1995 From: bp at SOKRATES.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 00:15:56 +0100 Subject: Hawkwind:Nova Drive - questions Message-ID: Hi there >> >> > - (do re mi...) boulder 23.04.95 > >What is this last track? It isn't listed on my "Nova Drive" CD... It's a part of DEATH TRAP or URBAN GUERILLA I think >Thanks for the info and merry xmas to you. All the best and a successfull new year 1996 for you all cheers Bernhard ==================================================================== BERNHARD POSPIECH bp at sokrates.ruhr.de From Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR Sat Dec 23 08:32:23 1995 From: Olivier_Boigey at TECHLINK.FR (Olivier Boigey) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 13:32:23 GMT Subject: HW:Friday Rock Show Sessions Message-ID: Just bought this CD yersterday, and found a great live recording!!! It's from a 1986 live in Reading. Particularities: * Not a bootleg: sleeve says BBC Radio one * The worst sleeve design ever seen (Marvel comics drawings look like) * Sound is very good * Surprise: Lemmy appears for the last song! Tracks: 1) Magnu/Angels of Death. 2) Pulsing Cavern. 3) Assult & Battery (not assault..). 4) Needle Gun. 5) Master of the Universe. 6) Utopia. 7) Dream Worker. 8) Assaaains of Allah. 9) Silver Machine. Oh last point on the sleeve: it says "Approved by the Heavy Metal authority" Merry Xmas all... HTTP://iworld.maxo.fr/zebre.html http://www.imaginet.fr/sdc puis "en direct de la rue de la rue" The stars are matter, We're matter, but it doesn't matter _Don Van Vliet_ Via Holy Galactic Imperium ++ - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered). From skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM Sat Dec 23 13:15:15 1995 From: skipg at COMPUMEDIA.COM (Skip Galvin) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 10:15:15 -0800 Subject: BOC in the NW Message-ID: Just found out BOC will be playing Seattle Feb 1 and 2. Does anyone know of other scheduled dates in Washington, Oregon, Idaho or Vancouver, BC? Now if we could get the Brain Surgeons out for a West Coast tour. Or have they already been out here? Also Offtopic: Does anyone familiar with the Portland, OR area know the name of the record store across from Powell Books? Thanks, Skip From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Sat Dec 23 16:40:26 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 16:40:26 -0500 Subject: BOC in the NW Message-ID: Subj: OTF Date: 95-12-22 18:25:04 EST From: OYSTRBOY 12-31-95 The Coach House San Juan Capistrano, CA 1-25-96 The Catalyst Santa Cruz, CA 1-26 Konocti Harbor Resort Kelseyville, CA 1-28 The Edge Palo Alto, CA 1-31 Tom Foolery Lewiston, ID 2-01 Ballard Firehouse Seattle, WA 2-03 Commodore Ballroom Vancouver, BC 2-05 The Forge Victoria, BC 2-06 Jimmy Z Everett, WA 2-07 Evergreen Ballroom Olympia, WA 2-08 Mill Camp Springfield, OR 2-09 Roseland Theatre Portland, OR all of these dates are confirmed, but SWH (s... will happen) From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Dec 23 19:28:26 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 19:28:26 -0500 Subject: OFF: Pavlov's Dog (almost BOC) Message-ID: Oh man, Pavlov's Dog. I bought this record for a BUCK...wasn't worth it. I saw that Murray and Krugman were credited for production, the cover looked interesting, etc...but was very disappointed on hearing it. I didn't see Lanier credited on this one, unfortunately; that might have made it more worthwhile... They sound absolutely nothing like BOC, for sure. Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Dec 23 19:29:21 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 19:29:21 -0500 Subject: OFF: Pavlov's Dog (almost BOC) Message-ID: Ha, I said "Murray & Krugman". I meant Krug and Pearlman... Sorry. Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Dec 23 19:43:21 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 19:43:21 -0500 Subject: Ghoulish Lovecraftian Christmas Message-ID: From: CURTMEIS at delphi.com 23-DEC-1995 00:34:21.05 To: HERBERT119 at delphi.com CC: Subj: A Lovecraftian Christmas Newsgroups: alt.horror.cthulhu Path: news1.delphi.com!news.delphi.com!news-feed.mci.newscorp.com!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!news.compulink.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: jharrisb at cix.compulink.co.uk ("James Harris") Subject: Re: A Lovecraft Christmas Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange References: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 16:55:55 GMT X-News-Software: Ameol Lines: 51 On 12-12-95 Paul Lemieux wrote:- > A Lovecraft Christmas > by Paul M. Lemieux > copyright 1989 > > (With apologies to Clement Moore) > > Twas the night before Yuletide and all through the hole > Not a creature was stirring, not even a Dhole > Aldebaren hung at the right place at nine > In the hopes that Great Cthulhu would come out this time > > The fungi from Yuggoth, all snug in their caves > Were plotting to turn all the people to slaves > The Deep Ones in Rlyeh, the Ghouls in their graves > Were dancing and singing and acting depraved > > When what do my wondering eyes should appear > But a mouldering sleigh and eight corpselike reindeer > With a horrible driver so leprous and reeking > I knew right away that my fear was unspeaking > > The reindeer were gross, as they flew up from hell > And It hoarsely whispered and chanted a spell > Ia Shub Niggurath! Cthulhu ftagn! > Nyarlathotep! I summon you on! > > As decomposed flesh before the charnel stench rise > And meet with the open air polluting the skies > Up to the housetop the horror it rose > And the gangrenous odors assailed my nose > > And then in a slopping noise heard on the roof > The lumbering clomping of octopoid hoofs > As I drew in my head and was turning around > The horror lurched into my room with a bound > > Its eyes how they pulsate > So bulbous and gory > This blasphemous creature > So noxious and hoary > > I was frozen by fear, my feet woudn't run > I threw up my cookies, this wasn't much fun > It whispered my name and said "You come with I" > I tried to refuse and it said "Then you die" > > It came at my throat with its grim claws extended > But a miracle saved its victim intended > I had three Elder Signs in a slot in the floor > It screamed with a fiendish sound and went out the door > > It sprang to its sleigh, and its team gave a surge > And away they all flew to the sound of a dirge > I heard it exclaim as it flew out of sight > You're lucky this time, for the stars weren't right. > [snip] Thanks!, I enjoyed that. Jim. From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sat Dec 23 20:09:25 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 20:09:25 -0500 Subject: HW: The words Message-ID: Rudy - In case you didn't know yet, the line to "Hassan" is "In the PERFUMED garden of delights..." Not that I figured it out on my own - I'm unusually bad at picking out lyrics. I got a copy of the lyrics... Chuck From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Sun Dec 24 14:55:31 1995 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 11:55:31 -0800 Subject: BOC in the NW Message-ID: >Just found out BOC will be playing Seattle Feb 1 and 2. Does anyone >know of other scheduled dates in Washington, Oregon, Idaho or >Vancouver, BC? Now if we could get the Brain Surgeons out for a >West Coast tour. Or have they already been out here? > >Also Offtopic: Does anyone familiar with the Portland, OR area know >the name of the record store across from Powell Books? There are two and they are great- Ozone and Django's. Ozone is all cutting edge stuff and Django's is more for collector's-they have many rarities. "Act like a dumbshit and they'll treat you as an equal." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Mon Dec 25 21:33:54 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Mon, 25 Dec 1995 21:33:54 -0500 Subject: BOC: Apollo 440's DFtR Message-ID: Found two copies of this the other day, a dollar apiece, vinyl. Not what I expected - electronic dance music. The cover versions of DFtR and their own two songs...I wasn't impressed. But I figure it's worth keeping. Anyone want the other copy? They weren't bought sealed, but they look (and sound) to be hot off the press. Chuck From rhame at CTP.COM Tue Dec 26 13:00:24 1995 From: rhame at CTP.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 13:00:24 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Hope everyone had a good holiday. I made it to the 'Surgeons gig on Friday night, I'll review it later. I'm trying to remember the song list. OK, the point. There has been alot of talk lately about when BOC will put another disk out. My questions: How much does it cost to put out an independant CD? For Al and Deb: Is "Cell Sum" your own label? It seems to me that if BOC wanted to put out an indy CD, they could have done so by now. Any ideas why they haven't? I'd assume you pretty much expect to lose money when you do so, however. Maybe Al or Deb can expound on that from an Eponymous or Trepanation perspective. I find it hard to believe that the Cult couldn't do it financially. BTW: Deb mentioned that Sony would be putting out Trepanation in February. Which leads me to another financially related question, which again I have to aim at Al: Do you still get signifigant royalties for BOC songs like Reaper, etc? Unrelated: While I was home for the holiday, I forked through my oldrock magazines which were sitting in a pile in the attick. I stumbled across something interesting: Metal Magazine from March '87. On the cover was Ratt, but had a caption: Blue Oyster Cult, Sprinkling Dots! Inside, the article was "Albert Bouchard's Metal Memories: The Life -- and Death? -- of Blue Oyster Cult, as told to DEBORAH FROST. An interesting find.. Rich -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Rich Hamel ! ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! Asps?!! VERY Dangerous... You go ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! first! ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! ! ! (617)-374-8266 ! OK, Blue Jays, lets play ball!! ! ! rhame at ctp.com ! ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1992 Champions ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1993 Champions ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From rhame at CTP.COM Tue Dec 26 13:01:49 1995 From: rhame at CTP.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 13:01:49 -0500 Subject: BOC Radio Play Message-ID: Hello, I was wondering what BOC tunes people still hear on the radio these days (not counting special programs). I hear Reaper and Burnin' For You regularly these days, but beside an occasional Cities on Flame or Goin' Through the Motions, that's about it. Anyone else? Rich -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Rich Hamel ! ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! Asps?!! VERY Dangerous... You go ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! first! ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! ! ! (617)-374-8266 ! OK, Blue Jays, lets play ball!! ! ! rhame at ctp.com ! ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1992 Champions ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1993 Champions ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM Tue Dec 26 13:47:57 1995 From: reyes at ALOFT.ATT.COM (ross.reyes) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 13:47:57 EST Subject: BOC Radio Play Message-ID: DFTR and Burnin fairly often on the NY/NJ/Philly radio stations. Godzilla now and then, Dancin in the Ruins rarely. Elsewhere, besides FM radio, ice hockey games at Madison Sq. Garden. COF was played quite often during breaks in the game. RR From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Tue Dec 26 15:57:23 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 15:57:23 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties Message-ID: Deborah NEVER said Sony would be putting out Trepanation in February! But you musta taken my advice to check out the bar-- and sounds like you found a stronger brew there than I did! But you shoulda introduced yourself! You woulda also met lots of famous BOC-Lers who made the trip-- among them, Mssrs Rudich, Swartz, and the long lost Tox. It was great to see everybody! Especially Jeff and Lorree, who stood all the way on the train from NYC! Trepanation, as anyone who's been paying attention here, or coming to gigs lately, knows, will be in stores in late January, courtesy of Ripe &Ready, same outfit that distributed Eponymous. And the answer to your question about how hard or expensive it is to put out your own CD is very simple: it is yes and no. If you are a lazy, stupid, or simply untalented person who expects other people to do all of the real work for you (from writing the songs on) then the answer is yes. If not, the answer is no. -DF From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Tue Dec 26 16:18:37 1995 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 16:18:37 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties Message-ID: On Dec 26,1996 Rich wrote: > Which leads me to another financially related question, which again > I have to aim at Al: Do you still get signifigant royalties for BOC songs > like Reaper, etc? I do not get any royalties from any song which I didn't get credit for writing (ie. Reaper, Burnin' For You, Godzilla). For any song that I am acknowledged as one of the writers I get significant royalties. That is because I get paid directly from SONY Music Publishing. I also get writer's royalties for any song of mine that gets played on the radio. This has remained over the years a nice stable bonus kind of ammount. The performance royalties go directly to the BOC office which is under the control of Steve Schenck. I'm supposed to be paid for my performances but BOC claims they don't make enough for me to get paid. They've taken a lot of my money. This has made them appear as not very honorable people in my eyes. How would you feel? Al From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Tue Dec 26 16:18:44 1995 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 16:18:44 -0500 Subject: BRAIN gig FLASH Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Urgent information! To anyone who is plannoing on coming to the Brain Surgeons gig at McGovern's Bar on Dec. 30, please be advised that the show has been rescheduled for Saturday, January 6. This date has been confirmed and written in stone. I hope it hasn't wrecked anyone's plans. For us it's actually better because we have more time to send out flyers to all those fans who aren't on BOC-L. Thanks, AL From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Tue Dec 26 17:53:33 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 17:53:33 -0500 Subject: BOC Radio Play Message-ID: > > Hello, > > I was wondering what BOC tunes people still hear on the radio > these days (not counting special programs). > > I hear Reaper and Burnin' For You regularly these days, but beside > an occasional Cities on Flame or Goin' Through the Motions, that's about > it. Anyone else? > > Rich >-- I recently heard I Love The Night, and Last Days of May, but it was by request, and it was right before BOC came to town. Duane -- " We are the warriors at the edge of time. " From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Tue Dec 26 22:04:54 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 22:04:54 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties Message-ID: In a message dated 95-12-26 16:18:54 EST, you write: >I do not get any royalties from any song which I didn't get credit >for writing (ie. Reaper, Burnin' For You, Godzilla). For any song that I am >acknowledged as one of the writers I get significant royalties. That is >because I get paid directly from SONY Music Publishing. I also get writer's >royalties for any song of mine that gets played on the radio. This has >remained over the years a nice stable bonus kind of ammount. as far as the sale of BOC CDs are concerned, do they take a percentage of the songs you wrote for that album? if there are 10 songs on the album and you wrote 5 of them, do you get 50%? I don't quite understand the bit about making money from radio airplay...how do they base your bonus on radio airplay? if a DJ plays Cities on Flame by accident 3 times in a row, does that give ya mo' money? where can one find out all this info before entering the music industry totally blind and getting robbed? ROBO From rhame at CTP.COM Tue Dec 26 23:16:20 1995 From: rhame at CTP.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 23:16:20 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties Message-ID: > Deborah NEVER said Sony would be putting out Trepanation in February! But you > musta taken my advice to check out the bar-- and sounds like you found a > stronger brew there than I did! But you shoulda introduced yourself! You > woulda also met lots of famous BOC-Lers who made the trip-- among them, Mssrs > Rudich, Swartz, and the long lost Tox. It was great to see everybody! > Especially Jeff and Lorree, who stood all the way on the train from NYC! > Trepanation, as anyone who's been paying attention here, or coming to gigs > lately, knows, will be in stores in late January, courtesy of Ripe &Ready, > same outfit that distributed Eponymous. Whoops, Sorry Deb, don't want to get you in trouble, you're right, I was sampling the bar. Actually, it was a weird night. After much preparation, my gaggle of friends mostly bailed (amidst a flurry of holiday related excuses). I almost ended up not making it, but at the last second convinced my sort-of-ex-girlfriend to go. After the gig, I wanted to introduce myself, but she had maxxed out on endurance and wanted to leave. Sigh.... Nonetheless, I had a great time. I had never seen Al play live before, so now I've seen all of the original BOC members, and now I know how much BOC has suffered for the loss. Despite a not so huge crowd, Al and Deb seemed pumped! One BOC song I'd love to see you guys do the next time you are in town: The Revenge of Vera Gemini. Has this been played at a Surgeons gig before? Speaking of the next time you are in town, any idea when that will be? Anywhere within 50 miles of Boston will do just fine! -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Rich Hamel ! ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! Asps?!! VERY Dangerous... You go ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! first! ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! ! ! (617)-374-8266 ! OK, Blue Jays, lets play ball!! ! ! rhame at ctp.com ! ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1992 Champions ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1993 Champions ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From rhame at CTP.COM Tue Dec 26 23:22:28 1995 From: rhame at CTP.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 23:22:28 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Dec 26, 95 04:18:37 pm Message-ID: > > On Dec 26,1996 Rich wrote: > > > Which leads me to another financially related question, which again > > I have to aim at Al: Do you still get signifigant royalties for BOC songs > > like Reaper, etc? > > I do not get any royalties from any song which I didn't get credit > for writing (ie. Reaper, Burnin' For You, Godzilla). For any song that I am > acknowledged as one of the writers I get significant royalties. That is > because I get paid directly from SONY Music Publishing. I also get writer's > royalties for any song of mine that gets played on the radio. This has > remained over the years a nice stable bonus kind of ammount. The > performance royalties go directly to the BOC office which is under the > control of Steve Schenck. I'm supposed to be paid for my performances but > BOC claims they don't make enough for me to get paid. They've taken a lot > of my money. This has made them appear as not very honorable people in my > eyes. How would you feel? > Al > Understandable, and also supportive of the point I was getting at. Buck and Eric are credited on the more played tunes (Reaper, BFY), so you'd have to assume from a royalty sense they are bringing in more cabbage than you are. You'd also have to assume that they could've afforded to put their own CD out by now if they wanted. perhaps its more a lack of material? Am I correct that someone has mentioned that even the current new tune's lyrics are written by outside writers? Rich -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Rich Hamel ! ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! Asps?!! VERY Dangerous... You go ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! first! ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! ! ! (617)-374-8266 ! OK, Blue Jays, lets play ball!! ! ! rhame at ctp.com ! ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1992 Champions ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1993 Champions ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Dec 27 00:11:31 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 00:11:31 -0500 Subject: HW:Friday Rock Show Sessions In-Reply-To: <3487690750.899860487@techlink.fr> from "Olivier Boigey" at Dec 23, 95 01:32:23 pm Message-ID: Olivier Boigey writes: > > Just bought this CD yersterday, and found a great live recording!!! > It's from a 1986 live in Reading. > Particularities: > * Not a bootleg: sleeve says BBC Radio one > * The worst sleeve design ever seen (Marvel comics drawings look like) You're not the first person to note that - however, I believe that it's not a Hawkwind cover per se, but rather a Friday Rock Show cover. The heavily-armed lunatic you mentioned is apparently a sort of trademark image of the Friday Rock Show - I've seen 2 other FRS albums, and they both featured the same guy. Steve From zaius at TELEPORT.COM Wed Dec 27 00:54:47 1995 From: zaius at TELEPORT.COM (Steve) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 21:54:47 -0800 Subject: BOC Radio Play Message-ID: > Hello, > > I was wondering what BOC tunes people still hear on the radio > these days (not counting special programs). > > I hear Reaper and Burnin' For You regularly these days, but beside > an occasional Cities on Flame or Goin' Through the Motions, that's about > it. Anyone else? The very concept of 'classic rock' as a format- hell, the very idea of 'format' has killed any chance of anything interesting being played on the radio. I found myself part of a focus group which picks the songs on a local radio station. They play you little snippets and ask you to rate them. They don't ask you what you *want to hear* -just whether you like Green Day or not or whether you like Bob Segar's "Old Time Rock and Roll" or not. So, in my 'market' (Portland OR), apparantly, BOC is not considered air worthy. So I have all their CDs. To hell with commercial radio. "Act like a dumbshit and they'll treat you as an equal." -J.R. "Bob" Dobbs From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Dec 27 00:57:12 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 00:57:12 -0500 Subject: BOC Radio Play Message-ID: I have NEVER heard any BOC song on mainstream radio besides "DFtR" and "BfY" (which used to be on quite often, back in the days when I checked the radio now and then). Maybe "Godz" a long, long time ago, but I can't be sure. Chuck From etidwell at USA1.COM Wed Dec 27 04:22:40 1995 From: etidwell at USA1.COM (Ed Tidwell) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 09:22:40 +0000 Subject: BOC Radio Play Message-ID: I've heard several: Deadline DFtR Godzilla In Thee Born to Rock (BD) E.T.I. BfY CoF Goin' through the Motions Astronomy I am the one you warned me of 535 (BD) Brain Surgeons songs (Can't remember which ones and when) but Oedipus at WBCN is mentioned in the Eponymous credits and he hosts a show called nocturnal emissions on Sundays. Three DJ's and others at WBCN Boston really liked BOC and used to play some songs repeatedly. There were others like LDoM that I request every May but I did not want to be over zealous in my report. Ed From rhame at CTP.COM Wed Dec 27 11:42:03 1995 From: rhame at CTP.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 11:42:03 -0500 Subject: BRAIN. Brain Surgeon's Gig at Mamakin (Review) Message-ID: Ok, here's the long awaited review of the 'Surgeons gig on Friday, Dec. 22 at Mamakin: The Club: -------- This was the first time I had made it to Mamakin. It's a nice club with a stage that is significantly raised so that those in the back can see. The stage is pretty big, so a 5 piece band fits nicely. In the all important beer category, they are so-so. I chose Hieneken. The Sound: --------- Apparently the band had a rough time getting up North due to the bad weather, so there was no sound check. Considering that, the sound was great! The bass was perhaps a little low in the mix, but I'm a bassist so I'm biased. Vocals were loud and clear. The Gig: ------- With the weather hassles, this could have been a flat gig, but it wasn't. The band was really energetic and loose. Al and Deb in particular were very animated. My first surprise was that Al is really short! (sorry, Al):^) Al's energy really drove the gig. One thing that impressed me was that Deb's voice sounds as good live as it does in the studio. I always hate seeing bands live that can't vocally reproduce the studio quality because their voices were mixed and massaged into computer oblivion. Not the case here though. If there was any downside, it was that the music got a little sloppy here and there, but the energy more than made up for it. Actually, I kind of got the impression that the bassist didn't really know the BOC covers. All in all, I had a really good time, and I'll be there the next time they are in town. The show lasted a little over an hour. The Songs: Disclaimer: I'm doing this from memory, so I'll probably leave something out, or worse still put something in that they didn't do! These are not in order. ------ Language of Love (intro suffered a tad from the lack of the mysterious Albertron Name Your Monster (opened with this) Soul Jive Gimme' Nothin' A Kiss is a Promise Sally Sisters of the Precious Blood (this is the one I THINK they played, but maybe not). Baby Ice Dog Career of Evil Cities on Flame / Night of 1000 Guitars, Spanish Version. This was the last tune and featured a "5 guitars" ending. Top-Secret-BOC-Tune that Al sang. Don't know if this is still a surprise or not so I won't let the cat out of the bag! I probably missed one or two. Maybe others who were there can fill in the blanks if there are any. Until next time...... -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Rich Hamel ! ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! Asps?!! VERY Dangerous... You go ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! first! ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! ! ! (617)-374-8266 ! OK, Blue Jays, lets play ball!! ! ! rhame at ctp.com ! ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1992 Champions ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1993 Champions ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM Wed Dec 27 11:42:44 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 11:42:44 -0500 Subject: BOC: It's a bit quiet Message-ID: Well, it's a bit quiet out there, so just a few things. Firstly I have now got my copy of Career of Christmas, and well worth the wait it was too! It came just in time for the festivities and as I was off work, feeling ill and sorry for myself it really cheered me up. (esp. as my luck with the international snail mail system seems to be at a low and I was begining to think it was never going to turn up.) If anyone has got a copy of Jason's and Tim's reviews of the London gig please could they e-mail me a copy as I was on holiday when they posted them and missed them. I will be updating the e-mail friendly directory in the next few weeks, so anyone who wants their entry changed please let me, and Adrian Brevard, know Hopefully there will be more traffic in the next few days as people start to return after the holiday period. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sbphrd.com From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Wed Dec 27 11:54:46 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 11:54:46 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties Message-ID: In a message dated 95-12-26 23:54:10 EST, you write: >Am I correct that someone has mentioned that even the current new tune's >lyrics are written by outside writers? > > Rich yes...as far as I know Cold Grey Light, Power Underneath Despair and See You In Black were written by sci-fi author John Shirley...I don't know who wrote Harvest Moon or Still Burnin'... ROBO From swann at PHANTOM.COM Wed Dec 27 11:56:00 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 11:56:00 -0500 Subject: BOC Radio Play In-Reply-To: <199512270545.VAA25163@desiree.teleport.com> from "Steve" at Dec 26, 95 09:54:47 pm Message-ID: Steve writes: > > > I was wondering what BOC tunes people still hear on the radio > > these days (not counting special programs). > > The very concept of 'classic rock' as a format- hell, the very idea of > 'format' has killed any chance of anything interesting being played on the > radio. If you're old enough to remember AOR, you know that not all formats are bad. For example, the songs that I know I've heard on the radio include all the usual hits, plus "Joan Crawford", "Veteran of the Psychic Wars", and "Vengeance (The Pact)". All those were courtesy of 97 Rock - an AOR station in Buffalo - during the time when FoUO was the "current" BOC album. They also used to do whole album sides, and not just as part of a special friday night "Headphones Only" type of gimmick, like the Classic Rock stations do. Of course, 97 Rock is now one of those mutant "Best of the old, and the best of the new!" stations, that doesn't really play either. Steve From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 27 15:30:58 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 15:30:58 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties Message-ID: Rich: Where were you? I don't think I talked to you at the Brain Surgeons' gig. I did see Rudy and Jeff Berry though. Cool to meet you both. I will be posting a review of the gig shortly as well -- Al gave me a copy of the setlist, so I'll be able to give you the songs in order. John From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 27 15:32:36 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 15:32:36 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties Message-ID: Oh yes, I forgot to mention Tox - good to have met you as well! John From rhame at CTP.COM Wed Dec 27 15:42:54 1995 From: rhame at CTP.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 15:42:54 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties In-Reply-To: <199512272030.PAA23630@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Dec 27, 95 03:30:58 pm Message-ID: > > Rich: > > Where were you? I don't think I talked to you at the Brain Surgeons' > gig. I did see Rudy and Jeff Berry though. Cool to meet you both. > I will be posting a review of the gig shortly as well -- Al gave me a > copy of the setlist, so I'll be able to give you the songs in order. > > John Hi John, Nope, as I said I was forced to leave pretty quickly afterwords. I was wearing a brown leater bomber jacket and jeans, and have a gote'. Ah well, I'll catch you next time. Rich -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Rich Hamel ! ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! Asps?!! VERY Dangerous... You go ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! first! ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! ! ! (617)-374-8266 ! OK, Blue Jays, lets play ball!! ! ! rhame at ctp.com ! ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1992 Champions ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1993 Champions ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Wed Dec 27 15:52:59 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 15:52:59 -0500 Subject: BRAIN. Brain Surgeon's Gig at Mamakin (Review) Message-ID: I'll post my own lengthy review shortly (either later today or Friday), but I'll comment on and echo a few of Rich's comments: >The Club: Yeah, the club is pretty good. Unfortunately, the person "in charge" that night was apparently unaware how long the Brain Surgeons' were supposed to play, and the gig got cut short by about 3 songs. This was a shame as we missed Al's drum solo in "I Play The Drums", not to mention one of the Surgeons' best tunes, "Time Will Take Care of You". >The Sound: --------- Apparently the band had a rough time getting up North due to the bad weather, so there was no sound check. Considering that, the sound was great! The bass was perhaps a little low in the mix, but I'm a bassist so I'm biased. Vocals were loud and clear. Yep, the sound was great - even better than their last gig there (which left my ears ringing for 2 days). As a bassist as well, I'm also biased towards strong bass. >The Gig: ------- With the weather hassles, this could have been a flat gig, but it wasn't. The band was really energetic and loose. Al and Deb in particular were very animated. No question, Al and Deb are two professionals who take their work seriously, and deliver a great performance. >One thing that impressed me was that Deb's voice sounds as good live as it does in the studio. "You're mine for the taking!" during "Career of Evil" sent chills down my spine . . . >Sisters of the Precious Blood Nope, they didn't do this one. But they did do "My Civilization" and "Medusa" from "Trepanation", along with the others you mention. >Top-Secret-BOC-Tune that Al sang. Don't know if this is still a surprise or not so I won't let the cat out of the bag! I don't think this is top-secret anymore. I didn't mention it after the last Boston gig because they didn't play it. However, this show was now probably the 3rd or 4th time they've done it. If you don't know what it is, you'll see it in my review. John From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Wed Dec 27 16:03:24 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 16:03:24 -0500 Subject: HW: Nik Turner's SR Message-ID: Saw this double-CD yesterday at the shop. Going for 15 dollars. Is this a worthy purchace? I've never heard Nik's SR. I guess it depends on if I'm a Nik fan - I think he's great, but not my favorite HW member. But the song listing looks good and I think Dettmar is in this band... I'd like to hear as many opinions as possible. Chuck From rhame at CTP.COM Wed Dec 27 14:51:35 1995 From: rhame at CTP.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 14:51:35 -0500 Subject: BRAIN Brain Surgeons GIG at Mamakin (fwd) Message-ID: > The Songs: Disclaimer: I'm doing this from memory, so I'll probably leave > something out, or worse still put something in that they didn't do! These > are not in order. > ------ > Language of Love (intro suffered a tad from the lack of the mysterious Albertron > Name Your Monster (opened with this) > Soul Jive > Gimme' Nothin' > A Kiss is a Promise > Sally Hah, I new it, I forgot, they also played "My Civilization". > Sisters of the Precious Blood (this is the one I THINK they played, but maybe > not). > Baby Ice Dog > Career of Evil > Cities on Flame / Night of 1000 Guitars, Spanish Version. This was the last > tune and featured a "5 guitars" ending. > Top-Secret-BOC-Tune that Al sang. Don't know if this is still a surprise or > not so I won't let the cat out of the bag! > > I probably missed one or two. Maybe others who were there can fill > in the blanks if there are any. > > Until next time...... -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Rich Hamel ! ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! Asps?!! VERY Dangerous... You go ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! first! ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! ! ! (617)-374-8266 ! OK, Blue Jays, lets play ball!! ! ! rhame at ctp.com ! ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1992 Champions ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1993 Champions ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Wed Dec 27 23:52:06 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 23:52:06 -0500 Subject: Good Book that Explains it All To U(Was Brain/Royalties) Message-ID: Smart question, Robo. The best current book on this subject is by LA attorney Donald Passman, published by Simon and Shuster (and actually the editor was Dave Dunton, who aparently learned enough to go get a fulltime gig playing keyboards with the Kevin Salem Band!). It's titled something like: All You Need to Know about the Music Business or something like that. (It's NOT This Business of Music, from Billboard Publications, which is much more unwieldy and not as up-to-date). What you will discover here will horrify you. Too bad this info was not commonly available years ago. From cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM Wed Dec 27 23:54:46 1995 From: cjohnson at SUR1A.HPSC.HISD.HARRIS.COM (cjohnson) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 23:54:46 EST Subject: Hawk-US #4 and Nik news Message-ID: Just got in my copy of Bob Lennon's Hawk-US Issue #4 1995. It contains a couple of gig reviews, copies of several promo handouts from Griffin and EBS, and multiple new music reviews from the many HW and Nikwind spin-offs this past year (a la 'Hawkfan'). For your copy, send $.55 worth in US stamps (Canadians 2 IRCs, rest of world 4 IRCs) to: Bob Lennon Hawk-US 503 S.Warminster Rd. F-2 Hatboro, PA 19040 USA The only new tidbit mentioned is a new Nik Turner limited release of rare/live tracks called "Sonic Attack 2001" on Dossier Records (coming up early next year?), and Cleopatra should have out in February a live CD from Nikwind's Space Ritual 1995 tour called "Past or Future". Captain Cloud cjohnson at sur1a.hpsc.hisd.harris.com ObHappyHoliday: finding Sundial's "Acid Yantra" at Best Buy for $11.99! :-) From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Dec 28 04:26:26 1995 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 10:26:26 +0100 Subject: new address Message-ID: Hi there, here is my new e-mail address: b.pospiech at pop.ruhr.de Bernhard From aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU Thu Dec 28 06:19:59 1995 From: aa5287 at FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU (Duane Hoyt) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 06:19:59 -0500 Subject: HW: Nik Turner's SR Message-ID: > >Saw this double-CD yesterday at the shop. Going for 15 dollars. >Is this a worthy purchace? I've never heard Nik's SR. I guess >it depends on if I'm a Nik fan - I think he's great, but not my >favorite HW member. But the song listing looks good and I think >Dettmar is in this band... I'd like to hear as many opinions as >possible. > >Chuck > > Personally, I think this one is worth getting. Good solid hard space rock for the most part. Lots of energy. Although Sonic Attack is done much too slowly and it tends to get a bit boring. Duane -- " We are the warriors at the edge of time. " From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Thu Dec 28 07:47:35 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 07:47:35 -0500 Subject: HW: Nik Turner's SR Message-ID: >> I'd like to hear as many opinions as possible. Chuck<< i give this one a thumbs up.cleopatra also put out a 60 min. video from this tour-excellent quality! rj From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Dec 28 08:35:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 08:35:00 EST Subject: HW: Hassan - the word Message-ID: Thanks Chuck, I never would have gotten "perfumed" for the garden of delights. I still swear that some live versions, including the Friday Rock Session, sound like they start with an "F". Rudy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Dec 28 09:46:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 09:46:00 EST Subject: BS: My Impressions of Mamakin Gig Message-ID: This will just augment Rich's & John's comments. My 1st real exposure to the Surgeons. I got both CD's and the CoC tape, but only got to listen to the tape before the show, so I went in with virgin ears. (Well, only slightly used. You've heard that before) BTW - The room they played is the smaller stage area, Rich. There is a larger one that sounds just as good and flanked by 2 bars. I saw you in your BS-T and your lady in the BOC-L T, but you moved too fast for me to catch at the end. To those on the list, Rich is pretty tall, so his height comment is understandable. Deb has a real Gracie Slick kind of stage persona and vocal style that I liked a lot. She can rival Al on the drums too. Al was everywhere on stage and ended with a Micro guitar riff to close the show (thanks to John). That almost made up for the lack of an Albertron. Got my CoC cover autographed after the show (Thanks!, Deb and Al). My wife generally "rocks out" on the Eagles, but she really got swept away during this show. We are both looking forward to seeing them again. This is really high praise from her, she even started to bop by the stage at the end. I really liked the live version of "Language of Love". It has a bit more edge than the studio version and probably made me look forward to it more when I listened to the CD after the show. Probably my favorite of the show, I'm a sucker for throaty French. Peter did a special Xmas ditty that kept running through my head as I sat bored at my in-laws for Xmas day. David H. (bass) seemed have a wet palm most of the show, so that may explain why the bass was relatively low. It was pretty tasty. Maybe he can mount a Bounty dispenser on the body. The Cult Bros. are still alive and kicking. Expect them to pop up in the FL area shortly (e.g., Orlando). They will have a new young vocalist that is a knockout. A must see. Back to my more usual Hawk mode, Rudy (Good chatting with you, John) From emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK Thu Dec 28 09:52:00 1995 From: emphyrio at CIX.COMPULINK.CO.UK (Andrew Gilham) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 14:52:00 GMT Subject: HW: Nik Turner's SR Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <951228074734_80010452 at mail02.mail.aol.com> I thought "D-Rider" was really excellent, but that apart, it was a bit of a waste of time - like, does my record collection *really* need another "Master of the Universe"? And the spoken-word tracks are well worth skipping, too. I bought it myself mostly out of curiosity, and while it wasn't as bad as I'd feared (after _Prophets of Time_), it wasn't as good as I'd hoped, either. Apart from "D-Rider", that is! - Andy From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Dec 28 09:59:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 09:59:00 EST Subject: HW: Nik Turner's SR Rating Message-ID: >> I'd like to hear as many opinions as possible. Chuck, I got it and need to give it the listen it really deserves. But, from what I've heard so far, it's worth getting. Some interesting variations on old HW tunes that take some getting used to, but have merit. I too plan on ordering the video. Rudy From david at PHARLAP.CI.COM Thu Dec 28 10:28:09 1995 From: david at PHARLAP.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 10:28:09 -0500 Subject: HW: New Griffin releases Message-ID: I finally saw the "new" Griffin HW releases: Mighty Hawkwind Classics Independents Days: Vol 1 & 2 (single CD) I have the Anagram release of the first and couldn't imagine Griffin's being any different. Independents Days however had a few tracks that I hadn't seen before, and quite a few that I had (shocker...). A) are the new tracks decent? B) Are the old tracks different, or the same old stuff? David Kuznick - david at ci.com (Work: http://www.ci.com Play: coming soon...) A cold winter's night, quiet and black. There's no-one but us, And the whole world stands back while we lose ourselves in stories we tell. Suddenly everything changes, as we open doors into a different world. Everything that I knew seems to become untrue, and the sky changes colours >>From grey into blue. "Under Skies of Blue" - EVERON From rhame at CTP.COM Thu Dec 28 10:22:46 1995 From: rhame at CTP.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 10:22:46 -0500 Subject: BS: My Impressions of Mamakin Gig In-Reply-To: <30E222E9@volpegate.dot.gov> from "Rudich, Robert A" at Dec 28, 95 09:46:00 am Message-ID: > Deb has a real Gracie Slick kind of stage persona and vocal style that I > liked a lot. She can rival Al on the drums too. Al was everywhere on stage Yes, this is EXACTLY how I was thinking of describing Deb, put couldn't quite place the persona. > The Cult Bros. are still alive and kicking. Expect them to pop up in the FL > area shortly (e.g., Orlando). They will have a new young vocalist that is a > knockout. A must see. What is their lineup right now? Rich +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Rich Hamel ! Recall the dream of Luxor, how fluids will ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! arrive. As if by call or schedule, resume ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! through the morning tide. ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! Where entry is by seaweed gate, and plan the! ! (617)-374-8266 ! plan of dreams. To lose oneself in reverb, ! ! rhame at ctp.com ! know all that is, and all that seems. ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU Thu Dec 28 10:33:05 1995 From: iscladoc at FALCON.CC.UKANS.EDU (Allan T Grohe Jr) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 09:33:05 -0600 Subject: [HW] Cover Project: Mystics' Silver Machine In-Reply-To: <9512242033.AA14712@falcon.cc.ukans.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:10:15 EWT Sebastian Welton said: > I get the NME about a week late here but reading through the singles review > I noticed that there's a new cover version of Silver Machine released. It's > the b-side of a single just released by The Mystics on Fontana records. Has anyone picked this up? I'd love to add it to the Cover Project, which is now up to it's fourth tape. Allan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allan T. Grohe, Jr. Nomad of the Time Streams #159 iscladoc at falcon.cc.ukans.edu Keeper of _The Dead Gods Book_ iscladoc at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu "Farewell, friend. I was a thousand times more evil than thou." - Michael Moorcock, _Stormbringer_ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lansford at VNET.NET Thu Dec 28 07:48:43 1995 From: lansford at VNET.NET (Jean Lansford) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 12:48:43 GMT Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties In-Reply-To: <951227115444_24741067@mail04.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Dec 1995, Rob Maerz wrote: >yes...as far as I know Cold Grey Light, Power Underneath Despair and See You >In Black were written by sci-fi author John Shirley...I don't know who wrote >Harvest Moon or Still Burnin'... Harvest Moon's all Buck's; Still Burnin' is Buck and Jon Rogers. Shirley also did the lyrics to Demon's Kiss, Horsemen, and a couple of others that the boys have put to music but AFAIK haven't done live. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- No Team -- No Peace Save Our Browns http://sob.df.net/index.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Jean Lansford oyster.girl at genie.geis.com lansford at vnet.net From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Thu Dec 28 12:27:25 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 12:27:25 -0500 Subject: BS: My Impressions of Mamakin Gig Message-ID: In a message dated 95-12-28 10:40:21 EST, you write: >> Deb has a real Gracie Slick kind of stage persona and vocal style that I >> liked a lot. She can rival Al on the drums too. Al was everywhere on >stage > >Yes, this is EXACTLY how I was thinking of describing Deb, put couldn't >quite place the persona. my lady described Deb as a "female Alice Cooper"...this based on the CoC and Trepanation recordings, since we have yet to see the Surgeons live... I personally enjoy Deb's efforts on Baby Ice Dog, as well as my fave Surgeons tune Stones In My Passway... ROBO von FrankenDUDE<'s porta-potty in Neffsville> From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Dec 28 13:13:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 13:13:00 EST Subject: BS: Deb's Vocals Message-ID: Alice Cooper in drag, nah that's not it. Robo, part of what you (or your lady) may not catch on Trepanation (I haven't given a good listen yet) or CoC is the call and response type vocals or the counterpoint back up that Grace S. does so well. Alice doesn't fit this at all. Deb has his rough power, but so does Grace, it's these other aspects that really make the case. She also has Robert Plant's memory for lyrics. Time for BS to do a live release. It is a very different sound from the studio polish that is a pleasant surprise. I'm glad that I caught them live before listening to their releases. It wasn't my intent, but that's the way it worked. "Baby Ice Dog" is a gem live too and it gave me an excuse to howl. What more can you ask for on a night out? That one I heard before going in. Can one of the BOC fans tell me what that old band song was? I only have recently acquired WotT as my sole BOC and I don't think it's there. (Another album I have to listen to). It was good, but the shock value was lost on me. Rudy From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Thu Dec 28 14:48:48 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 14:48:48 -0500 Subject: BS: My Impressions of Mamakin Gig Message-ID: The tall fast moving man in BS T with the lady in the BOC-L T was not Rich, but Jeff Berry. There's something Shakespearean in this continual comedy of errors... From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Thu Dec 28 13:25:18 1995 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 19:25:18 +0100 Subject: HW: new bootleg Message-ID: Hello there On the second christmas day I have visited in our townhall a recordfair. And to my surprise I've found a HAWKWIND bootleg I've never seen before!! Though the price was extremely high (60 DM = 40$ for one CD), I bought 2 CD's from 2 different dealers, one for me and one for a friend. At home I phoned my friend to let him know that I had a CD for him. He told me that he had visited the same record fair 2 or 3 hours earlier and already bought one CD for himself. And he also told me that one of the dealers told him that only about two handfull CD's were produced. Maybe this is the reason for this astronomical price. The bootleg is called DAMNATION ALLEY and the cover says that it was recorded in MINNEAPOLIS on 04.October 1989. I compared the CD with the live tape I have from this gig and it seems to be true. But the CD has not the complete gig. Here is the track listing from the bootleg: magnu / down through the night / treadmill / wind of change 7 / assault & battery / golden void / arrival in utopia / brainstorm / dream worker / damnation alley / ejection The bootleg has on the front and back side a beautyful black and white drawing. On the front is a circle. In the middle of the circle you can see a good photocopy of Dave Brock with a guitar. In the top part of the circle stands: HAWKWIND, in the bottom part DAMNATION ALLEY and RECORDED LIVE 04.10.1989 IN MINNEAPOLIS - FIRST AVENUE On the back side you can see the complete track listing. On the bottom is a nice ;-)) small drawing and there stands: MYSTIC WANKERS RECORDS. The inner sleeve has four funny drawings of DAVE, HARVEY, ALAN and RICHARD The CD is complete blank (gold) with no printing and no label number. Recording quality is very good, running time is about 70 minutes. It seems to me that this is a very rare bootleg. I do not want to sell it but swap for another rare HAWKWIND item. If someone is interested, please e-mail me. Bernhard From rhame at CTP.COM Thu Dec 28 15:06:20 1995 From: rhame at CTP.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 15:06:20 -0500 Subject: BS: My Impressions of Mamakin Gig (fwd) Message-ID: > > The tall fast moving man in BS T with the lady in the BOC-L T was not Rich, > but Jeff Berry. There's something Shakespearean in this continual comedy of > errors... > Nope, if it's me-Rich we are talking about, nobody would mistake my 5'7" fame for tall! Rich -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Rich Hamel ! ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! Asps?!! VERY Dangerous... You go ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! first! ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! ! ! (617)-374-8266 ! OK, Blue Jays, lets play ball!! ! ! rhame at ctp.com ! ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1992 Champions ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1993 Champions ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV Thu Dec 28 15:35:00 1995 From: Rudich at VOLPE2.DOT.GOV (Rudich, Robert A) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 15:35:00 EST Subject: BS: What's in a name? Message-ID: Had I known Jeff Berry was there, I would have only had a 50% chance (nearly half) of being wrong in matching name to person. Sorry, Rich and Jeff. Last time I play spin doctor. Red faced Rudy From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Thu Dec 28 18:16:09 1995 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 15:16:09 -0800 Subject: BOC in the NW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Inre: BOC in NW Subject: Gettogether! Where is it and when? Who is going? (Seattle gig Feb 1/2) WHere is it? We need information! From jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US Thu Dec 28 18:19:29 1995 From: jpaine at LINKNET.KITSAP.LIB.WA.US (john paine) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 15:19:29 -0800 Subject: BOC Radio Play In-Reply-To: <199512261816.NAA04371@wormhole.ctp.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Dec 1995, Rich Hamel wrote: > Hello, > > I was wondering what BOC tunes people still hear on the radio > these days (not counting special programs). > > I hear Reaper and Burnin' For You regularly these days, but beside > an occasional Cities on Flame or Goin' Through the Motions, that's about > it. Anyone else? Godzilla, Astronomy are the only two I've heard recently. -passerby in Times Square From rhame at CTP.COM Thu Dec 28 21:00:31 1995 From: rhame at CTP.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 21:00:31 -0500 Subject: BOC Radio Play Message-ID: > On Tue, 26 Dec 1995, Rich Hamel wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I was wondering what BOC tunes people still hear on the radio > > these days (not counting special programs). > > > > I hear Reaper and Burnin' For You regularly these days, but beside > > an occasional Cities on Flame or Goin' Through the Motions, that's about > > it. Anyone else? > > Godzilla, Astronomy are the only two I've heard recently. I assume it was the Imaginos version of Astronomy? Anything but the CC version! Rich -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Rich Hamel ! ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! Asps?!! VERY Dangerous... You go ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! first! ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! ! ! (617)-374-8266 ! OK, Blue Jays, lets play ball!! ! ! rhame at ctp.com ! ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1992 Champions ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1993 Champions ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Thu Dec 28 21:31:51 1995 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 21:31:51 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties Message-ID: Dec27, Rich Hamel sez: >One BOC song I'd love to see you guys do the next time you are in town: >The Revenge of Vera Gemini. Has this been played at a Surgeons gig before? Not yet. Deb and I have worked up acoustic versions of it but we just don't seem to ever have enough time at these clubs to do even a fraction of the stuff we could play. I think it would sound good. I used to do it when I was in the Helen Wheels Band as a duet with Helen and it worked well. I'm more anxious to play some of my tunes that have never been played live before like, SaIoBVFCaV (Frankenstein) and other stuff from Imaginos. We will see..... Next year we'll consider doing more of my old stuff. >Speaking of the next time you are in town, any idea when that will be? >Anywhere within 50 miles of Boston will do just fine! The Mama Kin guy said he's going to bring us back again pretty soon. We're planning to do a little NE tour in mid-May but we could be back in Boston before that. From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Thu Dec 28 21:31:57 1995 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 21:31:57 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties Message-ID: Robo asks: >I don't quite understand the bit about making money from radio airplay...how >do they base your bonus on radio airplay? if a DJ plays Cities on Flame by >accident 3 times in a row, does that give ya mo' money? Yes and even though many of you only hear Reaper and BFY, I'm getting paid on many other tunes (I get a complete breakdown of all airplay from ASCAP), like, Buck's Boogie, Cities, Vera, Tattoo, Career etc. >where can one find >out all this info before entering the music industry totally blind and >getting robbed? Two fine books about the nuts & bolts of the music business are, "All you need to know about the MUSIC BUSINESS" by Donald Passman (Simon & Schuster) and "This business of music" by Sidney Shemel and M. William Krasilovsky (Billboard). Then there's many others like "Hit Men", "Mogels and Madmen" and "Stiffed", all exciting non-fiction. From rhame at CTP.COM Thu Dec 28 22:03:54 1995 From: rhame at CTP.COM (Rich Hamel) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 22:03:54 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties (fwd) Message-ID: > Robo asks: > >I don't quite understand the bit about making money from radio airplay...how > >do they base your bonus on radio airplay? if a DJ plays Cities on Flame by > >accident 3 times in a row, does that give ya mo' money? > > Yes and even though many of you only hear Reaper and BFY, I'm getting paid > on many other tunes (I get a complete breakdown of all airplay from ASCAP), > like, Buck's Boogie, Cities, Vera, Tattoo, Career etc. > Cool! Which gets the most airplay? (I'm guessing Cities). Any chance you could post a sample of one of these reports (with the financials and all other confidential stuff removed, of course)? Rich -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ! Rich Hamel ! ! ! Cambridge Technology Partners ! Asps?!! VERY Dangerous... You go ! ! 304 Vassar St. ! first! ! ! Cambridge, MA 02139 ! ! ! (617)-374-8266 ! OK, Blue Jays, lets play ball!! ! ! rhame at ctp.com ! ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1992 Champions ! ! ! Toronto Blue Jays, 1993 Champions ! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Dec 29 00:13:16 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 00:13:16 -0500 Subject: Alien 4 cover Message-ID: I had a few minutes to spare today in the dept. and, since I was listening to the copy of _Alien 4_ that Santa kindly brought me, I decided to scan the cover since it doesn't appear to be on the BOC-L FTP site yet (and it's an interesting cover to boot). It's saved as a JPEG file, about 175K or so. Anyone interested in seeing this can either point their correctly configured World Wide Web browser at http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/paul/boc-l/alien_4.jpg, or via anonymous ftp from csgrad.cs.vt.edu in the directory /pub/boc-l. The file to transfer is "alien_4.jpg". (Be sure to transfer in binary mode.) Maybe Ben could put it on the official BOC-L FTP site sometime? Cheers, Paul. obCD: The Beatles, _Abbey Road_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From ROBODUDE at AOL.COM Fri Dec 29 00:16:48 1995 From: ROBODUDE at AOL.COM (Rob Maerz) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 00:16:48 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties Message-ID: In a message dated 95-12-28 21:35:50 EST, you write: >Robo asks: >>I don't quite understand the bit about making money from radio airplay...how >>do they base your bonus on radio airplay? if a DJ plays Cities on Flame by >>accident 3 times in a row, does that give ya mo' money? > >Yes and even though many of you only hear Reaper and BFY, I'm getting paid >on many other tunes (I get a complete breakdown of all airplay from ASCAP), >like, Buck's Boogie, Cities, Vera, Tattoo, Career etc. are the numbers they give you accurate? I would think that they would be easy to fudge...is that why you refer to this as a "bonus"? ROBO From AndyGilham at AOL.COM Fri Dec 29 00:54:29 1995 From: AndyGilham at AOL.COM (Andy Gilham) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 00:54:29 -0500 Subject: Lemmy 50th Message-ID: Found on AOL (yes, AOL is beta-testing in the UK, but they keep quiet about what the "A" stands for :): ---- Aging Motorhead icon Lemmy Kilmister celebrated his 50th birthday and his band's 20th anniversary last week at the Los Angeles rocker Mecca, the Whisky, with an "A" list of merry-makers including Rancid, Iggy Pop, and Metallica. The evening's entertainment opened with video taped greetings from Anthrax, White Zombie, the Ramones, and Ozzy Osbourne among others. Motorhead then took the stage, proving they still have a few brain cells, and pulled out material spanning their two decade career. Metallica surprised everyone when they took the stage disguised as five Lemmy's. Lemmy himself was so tickled he joined the faux Lemmy's for an encore. "If it wasn't for Lemmy and Motorhead," Metallica's Lars Ulrich testified, "there wouldn't be a Metallica." Tribute performances were also made by Lemmy's diverse body of fans including Alice In Chains' Mike Inez, the Offspring, 2 Live Crew, Bobcat Gothwait, and even Johnny Depp. Madonna, sorry about missing the event, faxed a lipstick sealed message. Tom Arnold, of all people, presented it to the crowd. Madonna had this to say to Lemmy: "Happy Birthday, you old fart!" ---- - Andy From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Dec 29 00:54:45 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 00:54:45 -0500 Subject: HW: Nik Turner's SR Message-ID: Yeah, but you also don't like Chronicle or Live Chronicles, Andy... :) Thanks for the opinion anyway. I'll consider it. Chuck From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Fri Dec 29 01:04:17 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 01:04:17 -0500 Subject: HW: Hassan - the word Message-ID: "It is written" in this lyric booklet which I got from FOFP, Rudy ("perfumed"), but you know HW are prone to changing the lyrics around a bit when they play... You might have heard someone else before. Chuck From sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU Fri Dec 29 13:17:09 1995 From: sonique at AARDVARK.APANA.ORG.AU (Paul Ward) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 19:17:09 +0100 Subject: HW: new bootleg In-Reply-To: <199512281825.TAA23870@exit.ruhr.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Dec 1995, Bernhard Pospiech wrote: > It seems to me that this is a very rare bootleg. I do not want to sell it > but swap for another rare HAWKWIND item. I suppose a trade with the list of Hawkwind gigs that I *haven't* been to wouldn't count ? Paul -- Paul Ward aka: Assassin Sonique' .---. __ .-------- Long R & D Manager, P & C Micro's Pty Ltd / \( o`-, ----- may mail: sonique at aardvark.apana.org.au //// '~ ( --- they http://aardvark.apana.org.au/~sonique/ /////// : ; --- Fly! From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Dec 29 05:51:55 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 11:51:55 +0100 Subject: HW: new bootleg Message-ID: >On the second christmas day I have visited in our townhall a recordfair. > >And to my surprise I've found a HAWKWIND bootleg I've never seen before!! > >Though the price was extremely high (60 DM = 40$ for one CD), I bought 2 >CD's from 2 different dealers, one for me and one for a friend. [descriptions cut out] >The CD is complete blank (gold) with no printing and no label number. > >Recording quality is very good, running time is about 70 minutes. > >It seems to me that this is a very rare bootleg. I do not want to sell it >but swap for another rare HAWKWIND item. I guess this is another CD Recordable - blank/gold CD / no printing, no label numbers - and rumours of just a few pressed. If this is the second CD-R boot, how many more is there to come? Isn't this the Kollektor's Nightmare? Soon almost everyone has the equipment needed to do an own run of 20 or 30 ex, and soon almost everyone would put out their own 20 or 30 ex compilation, maybe based on the three Anthology vinyls... Is the dye like the _Nova Drive_, gold on top - and green down under? >Bernhard \\joe From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM Fri Dec 29 06:42:17 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 06:42:17 -0500 Subject: BS: NE Tour '96 Message-ID: >>Speaking of the next time you are in town, any idea when that will be? >>Anywhere within 50 miles of Boston will do just fine! Al says: >The Mama Kin guy said he's going to bring us back again pretty soon. We're >planning to do a little NE tour in mid-May but we could be back in Boston >before that. Al, any chance of delaying your NE mini tour until June (only 2 weeks), as I should be holidaying on your side of the pond, in the Boston area around that time. I'd really like a chance to see The Surgeons as the chances of UK dates are faily slim (London being further than a 7 hour drive from NYC) AND I'd get to meet some American BOC-L conterparts. Well, I can dream can't I? .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sbphrd.com From D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK Fri Dec 22 07:43:50 1995 From: D.K.Hardman at CITY.AC.UK (Hardman DK) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 12:43:50 +0000 Subject: BOC Lyric book cartoons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, jean l delacour wrote: > > > Dave-Drawings, I believe, were all done by Buck's son, Zeke on a comp- > uter.......Manuel in NM Well, there are some cartoons in the book that are signed by Zeke, and appear to be computer drawn. However, the cartoons to accompany the song "Blue Oyster Cult" are clearly not computer drawn and are *unsigned*. Hence, I suspect maybe they were done by someone else. Dave From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Fri Dec 29 08:26:32 1995 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 14:26:32 +0100 Subject: HW: new bootleg Message-ID: Hello >Is the dye like the _Nova Drive_, gold on top - and green down under? No, it is complete GOLD, on both sides. Bernhard From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Dec 29 09:02:32 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 09:02:32 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties In-Reply-To: from "Albert T Bouchard" at Dec 28, 95 09:31:51 pm Message-ID: Albert T Bouchard writes: > > Not yet. Deb and I have worked up acoustic versions of it but we just don't > seem to ever have enough time at these clubs to do even a fraction of the > stuff we could play I suppose it would help if more club managers weren't slithering, slime- bellied pond scum. >I think it would sound good. I used to do it when I > was in the Helen Wheels Band as a duet with Helen and it worked well. I'm > more anxious to play some of my tunes that have never been played live > before like, SaIoBVFCaV (Frankenstein) and other stuff from Imaginos. We Not to pressure you or anything, Al, but... YEAAAAH, DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT!!! Ahem. I feel better now. Steve From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Fri Dec 29 10:26:31 1995 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 10:26:31 EST Subject: HW. Entropy tango. Message-ID: Hi Hawkfans ! This is Henrik from Sweden with a question about the poem "Antropy/ Entropy tango" which was read during the Nikwind set in Jonkoping 16/12. I read a short notice about it in Crohinga well #6 and it said the following; When Dave Brock disbanded Hawkwind after the American tour of 1978 Adrian Shaw teamed up with Pete Pavli and Michael Moorcock to perform "Entropy tango" at Nik Turner's Bohemian Love-in of June 18th. Anyone who knows anything more about the poem etc. Thanks in advance and have a great new year. Henrik From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM Fri Dec 29 10:44:24 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 10:44:24 -0500 Subject: Happy New Year Message-ID: Just a New Year greeting: I hope everyone party's really well over the holiday period and has a great time. See you in '96 when hopefully we shall all have more of our favourite music. And to any lucky people who are seeing the turn of the year with BOC at The Coach House, San Juan - I can't think of that many better ways to see the new year in (someone post a review). .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sbphrd.com From grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM Fri Dec 29 11:37:59 1995 From: grant_c%wglim1.DNET at SBPHRD.COM (CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 11:37:59 -0500 Subject: New Years Eve Message-ID: New year's eve, was the final barrier. Couldn't resist it :) I'm in the back seat. .......Charlie. grant_c%wglim1.dnet at sbphrd.com From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Dec 29 12:43:08 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 12:43:08 -0500 Subject: BOC: Who wrote what Message-ID: There seems to have been a great deal of discussion here about who wrote what BOC songs. To those who still have questions about this, I would ask you to refer to the FAQ as all of the songwriting credits are listed in the discography. Note: these credits are as they appear on the respective albums, and at times may be wrong. Case in point are the credits on "Cult Classic" which left Albert off one song, I believe, and also did not credit him for "Buck's Boogie" (although this was later remedied on "Workshop of the Telescopes". In particular note that 1) Albert had his hand in many of BOC's classics (despite Eric singing the lead vocal on many of them) and 2) Eric did not have a hand in writing "The Reaper", "Godzilla", and "Burnin' for You". Now, I must get back to working on my review of the Brain Surgeons' show at Mamakin . . . John From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Dec 29 12:48:01 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 12:48:01 -0500 Subject: New Years Eve In-Reply-To: <9512291637.AA31695@phinet.sbphrd.com> from "CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY" at Dec 29, 95 11:37:59 am Message-ID: CHARLES THE GRINNING BOY writes: > > New year's eve, was the final barrier. > > Couldn't resist it :) > > I'm in the back seat. You think that's bad. Here I was, wishing the Brain Surgeons would get a New Year's Eve gig somewhere near Times Square. ;-) Steve From jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG Fri Dec 29 12:54:20 1995 From: jswartz at MBUNIX.MITRE.ORG (John A Swartz) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 12:54:20 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Review of 12/22/95 Mamakin Gig Message-ID: The "technical details": Brain Surgeons Mama Kin Boston, Massachusetts December 22, 1995 The songs (in order performed): Name Your Monster My Civilization Sally Soul Jive A Kiss Is A Promise Medusa Baby Ice Dog Gimme Nothin' Language Of Love Death Valley Nights Career Of Evil Cities On Flame (Spanish)/Night Of The 1,000 Guitars Brain Surgeons: Albert Bouchard, Deborah Frost, Dave Hirschberg, Pete Bohovesky, Billy Hilfiger Now, for some more details from a completely biased fan . . . Once again, the Brain Surgeons came to Boston and put on an excellent show. The band went on at about 11:00 p.m. and played an hour. There were many great moments in the set. I'll mention two of my favorites: The performance of "Medusa" was excellent, and well delivered. Deborah then announced the next song, "Baby Ice Dog" as being a song "about another bitch". The performance of "Death Valley Nights", which featured Albert on guitar and Deborah on drums was also a real crowd- pleaser. Al got a few laughs when he mentioned that the song has only been played live a few times since it was never performed by "Blue Oy . . . uh, my old band." I arrived at the club at about 9:30, just as the band was walking out (to grab a beer and something to eat), and they let me tag along. Actually, the whole band wasn't there yet as Billy Hilfiger was in his own car, and still trying to find the club (he made it in time for the gig though). We ended up going back to the club as the Boston Beerworks was a bit too crowded that night. As the only act that night, the Brain Surgeons were supposed to play for about an hour and a half, but apparently the person "in charge" that night was not aware of this. After "Career Of Evil", the band was told it could do one more song -- their setlist indicated that they had at least 4 more planned. So, the enthusiastic Boston crowd did not get to hear "I Play The Drums" (which would have featured a drum solo by Albert), "The Red And The Black" (a BOC classic), or "Time Will Take Care Of You" (one of Deborah's finest vocal performances). Of those 3 songs, plus "Cities On Flame With Rock And Roll", Deborah asked the audience what they wanted to hear. Before selecting the final song though, the Brain Surgeons' guitarists decided to have a little fun. First, a few people in the crowd, perhaps having their "Bouchards" mixed-up, screamed out "Hot Rails!" Although Deb indicated that they don't do Joe's songs, Billy Hilfiger (who plays with Joe in "The Cult Brothers") launched in to the intro for the song. And while I'm sure Albert could've accompanied him, the looks from the rest of the band told me that Billy was probably the only one who knew the chords. So, he stopped after a few bars -- knowing the song myself, I almost wanted to jump on stage and "borrow" Dave Hirshcberg's bass for the song. Then, it was Pete Bohovesky's turn. He stepped up to his mike and said, "Let's do my new Christmas song!" With Albert on drums accompanying him, he slashed away at his guitar for about 30 seconds and sang this sort of punk-rock-sounding song who's predominant lyric was "Fucking fucking fucking fucking Christmas." After the guitarist's games had concluded, the band launched into a bone-crunching rendition of "Ciudades . . ." culminating in Albert joining the rest of the band on guitar for the "Night Of The 1,000 Guitars" ending. As the song's final chord began to fade, Albert brought out a small electronic toy guitar to play the final notes of the song on. Then, before the band left the stage, Pete Bohovesky slashed away at his guitar again and sang the final verse of his new Christmas song one more time for us. I got to talk to Albert and Deborah for a bit before the show, and the rest of the band after the show. They are all very nice people to talk with. Despite having been up very late the night before working on a piece for "Rolling Stone" (actually for a book they are doing, if memory serves), Deborah was very personable, and didn't let lack of sleep affect her performance on-stage. Albert indicated that work on the new CD is coming along well (no titles being given out by the band yet -- someone else asked), and may again include a few songs that Albert wrote back when he was in BOC. Albert says that he wrote alot of songs around the time of "Agents Of Fortune", but at the time wasn't able to make all of the ideas work the way he would have liked to. I may be inferring this from our conversation, but my take on it is that Albert had alot of raw musical creativity in those days, but perhaps not some of the technical know-how to synthesize some of the ideas into a complete productions. Whereas now, however, having more production experience (and perhaps a much better personal situation), he feels that he can go back and give those old good ideas the attention that they deserve. Billy Hilfiger indicated to me that while he is not playing in the band, "Wired" at this time, he has been doing some work with Joe Bouchard in "The Cult Brothers" again. Also, Billy's 17-year- old nephew has been singing lead vocals in "The Cult Brothers" recently, and may be getting his own recording deal -- apparently the guy who produced Michael Jackson's last album ("Hisstory") is interested in producing some work with Billy's nephew. I also got to meet Tox, Rudy, and Jeff Berry (and his girlfriend, who's name escapes me) from the list. I also met some guy named Eric who came to the show a BOC fan, but may have left a Brain Surgeons' fan. Speaking of which, there was definitely a good number of people at the club specifically to see the Brain Surgeons. It's good to see a loyal following beginning to build for the band. Hopefully, with *Trepanation* to be in stores in January, and another CD in production, 1996 will be a good year for the Brain Surgeons. John From swann at PHANTOM.COM Fri Dec 29 14:01:53 1995 From: swann at PHANTOM.COM (Stephen Swann) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 14:01:53 -0500 Subject: BRAIN: Review of 12/22/95 Mamakin Gig In-Reply-To: <199512291754.MAA09615@mbunix.mitre.org> from "John A Swartz" at Dec 29, 95 12:54:20 pm Message-ID: John A Swartz writes: > [ about the Brain Surgeons "Mamakin" show ] > Then, it was Pete Bohovesky's turn. He stepped up to his mike and > said, "Let's do my new Christmas song!" With Albert on drums > accompanying him, he slashed away at his guitar for about 30 seconds > and sang this sort of punk-rock-sounding song who's predominant lyric > was "Fucking fucking fucking fucking Christmas." After the guitarist's The Brain Sugeons... doing a tribute to Lee Ving's legendary Saturday Night Live performance of "Fuck Christmas"? ;-) Steve From lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU Fri Dec 29 14:24:25 1995 From: lapis at POBOX.UPENN.EDU (dave cohen) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 14:24:25 -0500 Subject: HW. Entropy tango. In-Reply-To: <951229152630_100522.44_JHB75-1@CompuServe.COM> from "Henrik Hallgren" at Dec 29, 95 10:26:31 am Message-ID: > > Hi Hawkfans ! > > This is Henrik from Sweden with a question about the poem > "Antropy/ Entropy tango" which was read during the Nikwind set > in Jonkoping 16/12. > I read a short notice about it in Crohinga well #6 and it said the > following; > When Dave Brock disbanded Hawkwind after the American tour of > 1978 Adrian Shaw teamed up with Pete Pavli and Michael Moorcock > to perform "Entropy tango" at Nik Turner's Bohemian Love-in of June 18th. > > Anyone who knows anything more about the poem etc. the poem was one moorcock wrote (and i think pavli did the music) for what was projected to be a book+record release of "entropy tango" [a jerry cornelius book]..whoever was supposed to publish it (Big O? Pierrot?) went belly up i believe--at any rate the music never got beyond the demo stage... BTW does anyone have a boot (or know if one exists) of the Deep Fix (moorcock) set from the love-in? if so i would be QUITE interested in a trade! if folks are really interested i could post the words to the poem (as published in the book, which came out in '86 maybe, from NEL) cheers, dave lapis at pobox.upenn.edu From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Fri Dec 29 14:52:48 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 20:52:48 +0100 Subject: HW. Entropy tango. Message-ID: >> When Dave Brock disbanded Hawkwind after the American tour of >> 1978 Adrian Shaw teamed up with Pete Pavli and Michael Moorcock >> to perform "Entropy tango" at Nik Turner's Bohemian Love-in of June 18th. >> >> Anyone who knows anything more about the poem etc. > > the poem was one moorcock wrote (and i think pavli did the music) > for what was projected to be a book+record release of "entropy > tango" [a jerry cornelius book]..whoever was supposed to publish > it (Big O? Pierrot?) went belly up i believe--at any rate > the music never got beyond the demo stage... > > BTW does anyone have a boot (or know if one exists) of the > Deep Fix (moorcock) set from the love-in? if so i would be > QUITE interested in a trade! > > if folks are really interested i could post the words to the > poem (as published in the book, which came out in '86 maybe, > from NEL) yes, please do so! I would really like to see those lines! > cheers, > > dave > lapis at pobox.upenn.edu cheers - \\joe From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Fri Dec 29 16:59:03 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 16:59:03 -0500 Subject: HW: new bootleg In-Reply-To: <9512291051.AA06322@sonor> from "Johan Edlundh" at Dec 29, 95 11:51:55 am Message-ID: Johan Edlundh writes: > If this is the second CD-R boot, how many more is there to come? > Isn't this the Kollektor's Nightmare? Yep, sure is. In fact, I hear that one of the design goals of the CD-R committee was expressly to give Kollectors sleepless nights (and empty wallets)... ;-) > Soon almost everyone has the equipment needed to do an own run of 20 or 30 > ex, and soon almost everyone would put out their own 20 or 30 ex > compilation, maybe based on the three Anthology vinyls... Yes, depressing, isn't it? But, as I see it, we have but only one course of action: take a leaf out of Frank Zappa's book and BEAT THE BOOTS! CD-R works both ways. It is just as easy, now, to bootleg the bootleggers. If you are interested in the contents of a bootleg CD, and not the fact that it is (artificially) rare, then find someone who has it and copy it. (This is when CD-R machines are widespread, of course.) No reason we should be funnelling money into the pockets of bootleggers, now, is there? If you find such a notion ethically troubling, simply think of it as trading audio tapes, but on shiny little discs instead. CD-R machines are not as rare as you might think. They even have one in a lab here. Cheers, Paul. obCD: Ozric Tentacles, _Live Ethereal Cereal_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From delacour at UNM.EDU Fri Dec 29 17:30:29 1995 From: delacour at UNM.EDU (jean l delacour) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 15:30:29 -0700 Subject: BOC in the NW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Dec 1995, Skip Galvin wrote: > Just found out BOC will be playing Seattle Feb 1 and 2. Does anyone > know of other scheduled dates in Washington, Oregon, Idaho or > Vancouver, BC? Now if we could get the Brain Surgeons out for a > West Coast tour. Or have they already been out here? > > Also Offtopic: Does anyone familiar with the Portland, OR area know > the name of the record store across from Powell Books? > > Thanks, > Skip > Skippy- Merry X-mas and Happy New Year!!! Never been to Portland, but since Jean went into work today to check her mail, I took advantage of the situation and got on the list. Anyways, have fun at the NW shows. They'll be at the Coach House in Southern Cal on New Year's Eve, but we can't go-too short of a notice. By the way, is Gatsby's Tavern in Spokane still around? How about Mingle's in Moskow, ID (see your live tape)??? God bless......Manuel in NM Jean Delacour University of New Mexico Parish Library Alb, NM 87131-1496 delacour at unm.edu From squinn at DIGITAL.NET Fri Dec 29 18:26:35 1995 From: squinn at DIGITAL.NET (Shawn Quinn) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 18:26:35 -0500 Subject: Happy New Year Message-ID: A >And to any lucky people who are seeing the turn of the year with BOC at >The Coach House, San Juan - I can't think of that many better ways to >see the new year in (someone post a review). Is BOC going to be in San Juan ??? Shawn From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Fri Dec 29 23:52:27 1995 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 23:52:27 -0500 Subject: BRAIN / BOC INdy CD's and Royalties Message-ID: Robo: >are the numbers they give you accurate? I would think that they would be >easy to fudge...is that why you refer to this as a "bonus"? I think the larger numbers are pretty accurate. I've yet to get any royalties for Brain Surgeons songs even though I know they've been played. It's a bonus for me because it always comes as a surprize even after 20 years. Al From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Fri Dec 29 23:52:34 1995 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 23:52:34 -0500 Subject: BS: NE Tour '96 Message-ID: Charlie wrote: >Al, any chance of delaying your NE mini tour until June (only 2 weeks), >as I should be holidaying on your side of the pond, in the Boston area >around that time. I'd really like a chance to see The Surgeons as the >chances of UK dates are faily slim (London being further than a 7 hour >drive from NYC) AND I'd get to meet some American BOC-L conterparts. >Well, I can dream can't I? Nothing's firm yet so it is possible. We're planning an upstate NY/Burlington swing in May so maybe Boston would be later. Who knows? Maybe 96 will be the year the Brain Surgeons get off the East coast! H'py Nu Year, Al From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Fri Dec 29 23:52:40 1995 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 23:52:40 -0500 Subject: BOC Lyric book cartoons Message-ID: Dave axed: >Well, there are some cartoons in the book that are signed by Zeke, and >appear to be computer drawn. However, the cartoons to accompany the song >"Blue Oyster Cult" are clearly not computer drawn and are *unsigned*. >Hence, I suspect maybe they were done by someone else. On my copy in the inside credits it says that someone named Bill Hibbert did the Imaginos illustrations. Isn't he on BOC-l? Al From ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM Fri Dec 29 23:52:47 1995 From: ir004728 at INTERRAMP.COM (Albert T Bouchard) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 23:52:47 -0500 Subject: New Years Eve Message-ID: Steve sez: >You think that's bad. Here I was, wishing the Brain Surgeons would >get a New Year's Eve gig somewhere near Times Square. ;-) Joe, Billy Hilfiger and I actually did play a gig in Times Square on New Year's Eve with the Helen Wheels Band around 1987 at a place called Nirvana. Weird gig! Al From hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE Sat Dec 30 10:35:11 1995 From: hawkjoe at EKA.ERICSSON.SE (Johan Edlundh) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 16:35:11 +0100 Subject: HW: new bootleg Message-ID: >> Soon almost everyone has the equipment needed to do an own run of 20 or 30 >> ex, and soon almost everyone would put out their own 20 or 30 ex >> compilation, maybe based on the three Anthology vinyls... > >Yes, depressing, isn't it? > >But, as I see it, we have but only one course of action: take a leaf >out of Frank Zappa's book and BEAT THE BOOTS! > >CD-R works both ways. It is just as easy, now, to bootleg the >bootleggers. If you are interested in the contents of a bootleg CD, >and not the fact that it is (artificially) rare, then find someone who >has it and copy it. (This is when CD-R machines are widespread, of >course.) No reason we should be funnelling money into the pockets of >bootleggers, now, is there? If you find such a notion ethically >troubling, simply think of it as trading audio tapes, but on shiny >little discs instead. hmm... if you got an CD-R machine, you probably already got a good scanner and a excellent color printer - and suddenly you're not too far away from a complete boot of a bootleg... >CD-R machines are not as rare as you might think. They even have one >in a lab here. true... any interest among the Hawkwind Kollektors here in this kind of business? >Cheers, > >Paul. cheers - \\joe ObGig: Nik Turner & darXtar 16 Dec - cannot get it out of my head... (and why should I?) From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Sat Dec 30 10:39:11 1995 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 10:39:11 EST Subject: HW: Entropy tango. Message-ID: Hi there ! Once again it's Henrik from Sweden. Thanks Dave for the info concerning Entropy tango. I would also appreciate if you could send the poem to BOC-L since I've never seen or heard it before, I suppose it was the first time for Joe as well ? Thanks and a happy new year. K2 Ice beer and Gin & tonic is already in the fridge :-))) . Henrik ( the temperature is -13.5 celisus), brrrr ! Henrik From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Sat Dec 30 10:39:16 1995 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 10:39:16 EST Subject: HW: New bootleg. Message-ID: Greetings friends ! It's Henrik from the cold north again. I don't thing there's something wrong with producing CD-bootlegs as long as the bootlegger is choosing great concerts or rare tracks. The only problem for me is that I won't be able to get them since I live in the wrong place (England or Germany would be a lot better). And yes, It would be good with a bootleg with the best tracks from the Anthology-records, perhaps also one from the last tour in Europe ! Concerning the price, I don't think people charge to much for them, sure it must cost a lot to do CD's? Well, that's all from me. Henrik From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sat Dec 30 13:06:23 1995 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 19:06:23 +0100 Subject: HW: New bootleg. Message-ID: Hello there! >I don't thing there's something wrong with producing CD-bootlegs >as long as the bootlegger is choosing great concerts or rare tracks. These are true words. Remember buying last year a bootleg called: ST ALBANS 1979. It was the absolute shit. It must have been an ill brain that released this CD. Bad quality and a gig which was officially released on CD a few years ago (LIVE 79). BTW: The tape I have from this gig has a much better quality! I also wish some people would realese more very special tapes or recordings without making money on CD. The band won't loose money because there are a few bootlegs on the market. All the people who are buying HAWKWIND bootlegs ALREADY HAVE ALL their records/CD's and the other stuff. At the end: It's better to buy a good bootleg for 25 $ than to buy records like YURI GAGARIN or REDICULE for 8 $ Hope the band will soon release the promised live CD with the famous London gig on 05.October 1976 Greetings from Germany Bernhard From paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU Sat Dec 30 14:49:55 1995 From: paul at CSGRAD.CS.VT.EDU (Paul Mather) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 14:49:55 -0500 Subject: HW: New bootleg. In-Reply-To: <951230153916_100522.44_JHB87-4@CompuServe.COM> from "Henrik Hallgren" at Dec 30, 95 10:39:16 am Message-ID: Henrik Hallgren writes: > I don't thing there's something wrong with producing CD-bootlegs > as long as the bootlegger is choosing great concerts or rare tracks. For me, this is the crux of the matter. If the bootlegger is just in it to make money, they won't bother to select decent material, or clean up the sound. "Caveat emptor!" is their motto. A case in point is the _Live at St. Albans_ bootleg, which missed off some obvious rarities from the gig it (partly) reproduced, aside from the fact there was much overlap with the *official* _Live '79_ release. However, it seems with boots such as the _Nova_ one, an attempt has been made to collect rare/unreleased tracks and present them with *good* sound quality. To me, this is the difference between a bootlegger and a fan's release. > And yes, It would be good with a bootleg with the best tracks from > the Anthology-records, perhaps also one from the last tour in Europe ! Haven't the _Anthology_ tracks appeared enough already??? ;-) > Concerning the price, I don't think people charge to much for them, sure it must > cost a lot to do CD's? No, it doesn't cost a lot to do CD-R CDs, and, yes, I think they are usually overpriced. Bernhard reported that the new boot he bought cost approximately $40. Remember, that boot was a CD-R disc, not a custom-pressed disc. Blanks for 74 min. CD-R discs can be had for about $8 each in quantities of 10--50. Add on a tiny bit for photocopied artwork ripped off from somewhere else, and, yes, I do think it's starting to look as if a big profit is being made somewhere... Beat the boots! Cheers, Paul. obCD: Frank Zappa, _Roxy & Elsewhere_ e-mail: paul at csgrad.cs.vt.edu A stranger in a strange land. From robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM Sat Dec 30 16:11:00 1995 From: robert.sedler at NOR.MKL.COM (ROBERT SEDLER) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 16:11:00 -0500 Subject: Surgeons in Upstate NY?? Message-ID: Albert sez on BS touring: > Nothing's firm yet so it is possible. We're planning an >upstate NY/Burlington swing in May so maybe Boston would be later. >Who knows? Maybe 96 will be the year the Brain Surgeons get off the >East coast! H'py Nu Year, WHOA!! That got my attention! BS's coming up to Upstate NY AKA Torgoland?!?! A dream come true. Why not hit Binghamton, Syracuse and Utica. Since Torgo (and Rich C, another boc-l lurker) live right in the very center of that Bermuda Triangle of Rock & Roll, we could make sure we catch ya!!! Oh by the way... Happy New Year Baby, ready for another round? Torgo robert.sedler at nor.mkl.com Santa left me: Strictly Commercial, The best of Frank Zappa "...I'll ignore your cheap aroma, and your little Bo-Peep diploma I'll just put you in a coma with some Dirty Love..." -Dirty Love, FZ From DFrost8547 at AOL.COM Sat Dec 30 20:06:52 1995 From: DFrost8547 at AOL.COM (DFrost8547 at AOL.COM) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 20:06:52 -0500 Subject: New Years Eve Message-ID: Yeah, and the place closed right after your appearance! But not before the opening act, Masters of Reality, closed a deal right there with Rick Rubin...and ya see how far it got them...or was that a different night at the same venue? Well, ya see what a big difference it made in everybody's lives... but you could see the ball drop right outside the window--whoopee! --DF From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Dec 31 07:24:58 1995 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 13:24:58 +0100 Subject: HW: New bootleg. Message-ID: Hi there >Add on a tiny bit forphotocopied artwork ripped off from somewhere else The DAMNATION ALLEY CD has a very very nice artwork, not just a cheap photocopy from a magazine. I'll try to make a scan when I'm in my office in the second January week and make an ATTACHE file into the BOC-L >Beat the boots! Yes, but only if they are of shit quality (ST ALBANS)! And what about semi official records like TEXT OF FESTIVAL, REDICULE, YURI GAGARIN ?? Remember: These and many other stuff is officially released !! I'd like to know how much money some people made by releasing this shit stuff. I am very sure that the band didn't see a penny or cent But you can find these records in every record store. And if a person buys this kind of record it will be very dissapointed and thinking: What a shit kind of music HAWKWIND is doing. Better to pay 40 $ for a very good and interesting bootleg than pay 10 $ for officially shit stuff Bootlegs you can get only on record fairs! And only hardcore fans are buying them. And they know what they are buying!!! The DAMNATION ALLEY boot is one of the best HAWKWIND boots I've ever bought (I have them all especially the MIND JOURNEY boot from Glasgow 10.August 1975). And I am very happy that I've bought it It shows the band during the best tour for years, playing the second best gig of this tour (Best gig is still the NEW YORK one) Bernhard From b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE Sun Dec 31 08:26:59 1995 From: b.pospiech at POP.RUHR.DE (Bernhard Pospiech) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 14:26:59 +0100 Subject: HW: New bootleg. Message-ID: Hi there >The DAMNATION ALLEY boot is one of the best HAWKWIND boots I've ever >bought >(I have them all especially the MIND JOURNEY boot from Glasgow >10.August1975). And I am very happy that I've bought it Sorry, my fault. Not ESPECIALLY but EXCEPT. I do not have the MIND JOURNEY (unfortunately) Is here someone who's got it? Bernhard From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Sun Dec 31 08:38:12 1995 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 08:38:12 EST Subject: HW: Great sun jester. Message-ID: Greetings friends ! During the gig at Eldslandet in Jonkoping Nik also read another poem called "Great sun jester" and I've checked all the fanzines and books I have but not found the poem. Is there someone who actually have it and is willing to mail it to BOC-L ? It sounds like a great poem, that's why I'm interested in getting it. Thanks in advance and take it easy tonight ;-)) Henrik From 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM Sun Dec 31 08:38:13 1995 From: 100522.44 at COMPUSERVE.COM (Henrik Hallgren) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 08:38:13 EST Subject: HW: Bootlegs Message-ID: Hi again ! Paul wrote about high prices. I've also checked it with my oldest son who have friends in the business and he sees nothing wrong with the prices. CD's and the equipment cost a lot so the prices mentioned here is OK he says. I think it's worth the price if I like the product. But that's the case with everything we buy, isn't it ? I would also be surprised if there is Hawkwind-fans that are trying to rip of other fans, I've never meet anyone so far. I'm sure that we will see plenty of great Hawkwind-bootlegs in the future and most certainly prices will fall due to the fact that the equipment is getting cheaper all the time. Cheers from a remote place on earth. Henrik From RJPXR5 at AOL.COM Sun Dec 31 19:56:31 1995 From: RJPXR5 at AOL.COM (RJPXR5 at AOL.COM) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 19:56:31 -0500 Subject: Hawkwind: Hawk-U.S. issue #4 Message-ID: From: Bob Lennon Many thanks to Captain Cloud for the mention about Hawk-U.S. issue #4 1995 on this list. In addition to his respectable description of its contents I would also like to point out that this latest issue includes many original drawings and art that appear nowhere else. Also, as with previous issues, Issue #4 is a hand numbered limited quantity printing and is going fast. The only reason I mention this is that there are many folks that requested copies of previous issues long after they were gone. Fans wishing copies of Time & Space Newsletter should send a S.A.S.E. to Hawk-U.S. For those who missed the message mentioned above: For copies of Hawk-U.S. Issue #4 1995 send $0.55 in U.S. postage (Canadians send 2 IRC's, rest of world send 4 IRC's) to: Hawk-U.S. c/o Bob Lennon 503 S. Warminster Rd. F-2 Hatboro, PA 19040 U.S.A. Please note that as mentioned in Time & Space #1, Hawk-U.S. is solely dedicated to the Hawkwind fans, the scene and all friends & relations. I print & produce Hawk-U.S. myself out of my own pocket and do NOT solicit (nor receive) any cash from the band, or any record company. This is all for the love of Hawkwind music and all things related. Also, please note that I do not sell merchandise to fans (many people have sent letters asking for CD's and posters) I kindly refer them to businesses that do. Please send any relevent articles, art, cartoons etc to the above address as I am always looking for materials for future issues. We are focusing on fan art, etc. and had a very favorable reply so far. From HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM Sun Dec 31 20:57:08 1995 From: HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM (HERBERT119 at DELPHI.COM) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 20:57:08 -0500 Subject: HW: New bootleg. Message-ID: On 31-DEC-1995 07:33:44.6 BOC-L said to HERBERT119 >Hi there >>Add on a tiny bit forphotocopied artwork ripped off from somewhere else >The DAMNATION ALLEY CD has a very very nice artwork, not just a cheap >photocopy from a magazine. >I'll try to make a scan when I'm in my office in the second January >week and make an ATTACHE file into the BOC-L >>Beat the boots! >Yes, but only if they are of shit quality (ST ALBANS)! >And what about semi official records like TEXT OF FESTIVAL, REDICULE, >YURI GAGARIN ?? >Remember: These and many other stuff is officially released !! >I'd like to know how much money some people made by releasing this >shit stuff . >I am very sure that the band didn't see a penny or cent Text of Festival is shit?? Oh, I almost bought this CD. For 23 bucks, too. Masters of the Universe looks like it has the same songs (except for one, "Reprise...Compromise..."). Is this a good one to get? Bernhard BLHA LBHA HELLO `[1;33;40mRainbow V 1.19.4 for Delphi - Test Drive